From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Apr 1 03:48:23 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA03702; Sat, 1 Apr 2000 03:48:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2000 03:48:23 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <006101bf9bb5$e5a2c9a0$d62cf7c2@abc.zetnet.co.uk> From: "steve lawson" To: Subject: Re: MPX-G2 MIDI Synch? Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2000 09:38:06 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"60RuQ.0.xQ.VORvu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13199 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >Hey, thanks for the advice. I'll start saving my pennies! I think I'll >probably go with an Echoplex as a second looper (if they ever get here!) and >keep my Digitech 2112 for a while. It's a pretty good unit for the money. One >question though, with the g2, can you have multipal effects with the 20 sec >looping? That would be good. Yes you can - with the G2, each effect takes up a certain amount of memory, so so long as you stay below the maximum of 200 you can add anything. I can't remember what the value for the looper is, but it's not huge... Is the Echoplex available in the UK? Is that what Eberhard Weber uses? cheers Steve http://www.steve-lawson.co.uk - sounds, gig dates, mailing list, article archive from Bassist magazine. steve@steve-lawson.co.uk "I know there's a balance, I see it every time I swing past." - John Mellencamp From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Apr 1 09:15:07 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA02920; Sat, 1 Apr 2000 09:15:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2000 09:15:07 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2000 09:07:10 EST Subject: Re: MPX-G2 MIDI Synch? To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 32 Resent-Message-ID: <"UKQmi3.0.CN.rAWvu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13200 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 30/03/00 11:04:24 GMT Daylight Time, steve@steve-lawson.co.uk writes: > My guess is that it'll be possible, I've just got to look up what the MIDI > number is for the 'tap' button on the MPX, and set the JamMan to receive on > the same... then I can set the two lengths the same, and just do > interesting things with volume controls to stop my self recording the same > thing on both machines... > Connect MPX-G2 midi-out to jamman midi in. start the MPX looping now assuming the MPX-G2 is transmitting midi clock ** all you have to do is hit tap on the JamMan and it'll record (for the no. of beats specified) and then go into play automatically. Unfortunately midi clock is nowhere near accurate enough so you'll always get glitches if you play over the start/end of the jamMan loop. **if it won't , try it all the other way round. Andy Butler From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Apr 1 10:29:33 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA18843; Sat, 1 Apr 2000 10:29:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2000 10:29:33 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000401152440.72462.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [165.227.138.230] From: "David Potter" To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Subject: DJRND2 arrived from France Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2000 07:24:40 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"bDDdz3.0.RL4.PJXvu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13201 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com 4/1/2000 O.K. guys here's the chance to check out Perille's DJRND2 looper. I received it in the mail. A few guys are coming over to check it out. Let me know if you are interested in seeing it. papadave55@hotmail.com or call 831 7249194. I have about 2 weeks to check it out and see if I or someone else can buy it for their rig. Miko is going to check it out too. We are both in Santa Cruz. OM and Out Papa Dave ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Apr 1 12:40:33 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA13692; Sat, 1 Apr 2000 12:40:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2000 12:40:33 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000401173714.7240.rocketmail@web222.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2000 09:37:14 -0800 (PST) From: Stephen Subject: PMC10 foot pedal? To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"0-jUv1.0.WH3.DFZvu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13202 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Now that I have my program-pad-less pmc10 foot pedal working (thanks to a cable from the PC to the unit providing the ability to flip the state of individual pins (to set the base channel), and raymond), I'm looking for expression pedals for it. I tried my Yamaha FC7 ( http://www.yamaha.com/cgi-win/webcgi.exe/DsplyModel/?gEKS00001FC7 ) which works with all my other midi controllers, but I can't get the pmc10 to recognize it. I did try all the 'pedal calibration types'. The manual says it should work with any 'common' volume or cv pedal. Folks at GC weren't much help - the only thing they could offer was an empty Roland EV-5 box (where'd dat pedal go now...) So...what's a good expression pedal to use with the pmc10? thanks, ===== Stephen __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Apr 1 13:56:46 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA30127; Sat, 1 Apr 2000 13:56:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2000 13:56:46 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38E6BE6C.47F5EDAC@vtx.ch> Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2000 19:28:44 -0800 From: Claude voit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: PMC10 foot pedal? References: <20000401173714.7240.rocketmail@web222.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"8jagA.0.fJ6.d9avu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13203 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Stephen the fc7 works indeed with the pmc10 (I have two for that) but I think I modified them to a mono plug (Its been a long time...) solder the cable shield to the sleeve of the mono jack than try each of the two remaining conductors to the tip one of them will be the tip hope this can help Claude Stephen wrote: > > Now that I have my program-pad-less pmc10 foot pedal > working (thanks to a cable from the PC to the unit > providing the ability to flip the state of individual > pins (to set the base channel), and raymond), I'm > looking for expression pedals for it. I tried my > Yamaha FC7 > ( > http://www.yamaha.com/cgi-win/webcgi.exe/DsplyModel/?gEKS00001FC7 > ) > which works with all my other midi controllers, but I > can't get the pmc10 to recognize it. I did try all > the 'pedal calibration types'. The manual says it > should work with any 'common' volume or cv pedal. > Folks at GC weren't much help - the only thing they > could offer was an empty Roland EV-5 box (where'd dat > pedal go now...) > > So...what's a good expression pedal to use with the > pmc10? > > thanks, > > ===== > Stephen > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Apr 1 13:46:05 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA27953; Sat, 1 Apr 2000 13:46:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2000 13:46:05 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <00c401bf9c09$f857b700$d62cf7c2@abc.zetnet.co.uk> From: "steve lawson" To: Subject: Re: MPX-G2 MIDI Sync? Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2000 19:34:10 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"XrX5X.0.tZ6.lCavu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13204 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >Connect MPX-G2 midi-out to jamman midi in. >start the MPX looping >now assuming the MPX-G2 is transmitting midi clock ** >all you have to do is hit tap on the JamMan and >it'll record (for the no. of beats specified) and then go into >play automatically. > >Unfortunately midi clock is nowhere near accurate enough so >you'll always get glitches if you play over the start/end of the jamMan loop. Andy, thanks for the tip - it works (sort of) - I can get the two to 'talk', and get the MPX to set the loop length on the JamMan, but so far only with one of the presets, and I can't work out what it is about that patch that makes it work, and not my own sound that I've added JamMan to... I know I could rebuild all my sounds by copying the working looper across, but I really can't be arsed... I'm wading through the manual as I write, trying to find the relevant bits of info... Once I get this sorted, I hope to be able to record one short loop, and then put down stuff on top on the 'real' JamMan, with adjacent loops of equal length that I can switch between for verse and chorus. I already do this on one tune, using a delay to keep me roughly in time, but it's a little shaky... have a listen to 'St Luke' on my web-site, if you're interested... This could work, and if it does, I'm gonna have some serious fun writing new tunes with the enhanced performance capabilities that I'll have... :o) cheers Steve http://www.steve-lawson.co.uk - subscribe to my new mailing list here. steve@steve-lawson.co.uk "I know there's a balance, I see it every time I swing past." - John Mellencamp From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Apr 1 20:22:46 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA12274; Sat, 1 Apr 2000 20:22:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2000 20:22:46 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <008301bf9c41$cb507c00$23310140@concentric.net> From: "Larry Tremblay" To: References: <20000401152440.72462.qmail@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: DJRND2 arrived from France Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2000 20:21:37 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"zVPgZ3.0.vo2.v-fvu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13205 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I was interested in aquiring one of Perille's boxes too. Let know what you think of it. I may be interested in purchasing one. Thanks, - Larry ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Potter" To: Sent: Saturday, April 01, 2000 10:24 AM Subject: DJRND2 arrived from France > 4/1/2000 > O.K. guys here's the chance to check out Perille's DJRND2 looper. I > received it in the mail. A few guys are coming over to check it out. Let me > know if you are interested in seeing it. papadave55@hotmail.com or call > 831 7249194. I have about 2 weeks to check it out and see if I or someone > else can buy it for their rig. Miko is going to check it out too. We are > both in Santa Cruz. OM and Out Papa Dave > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Apr 2 00:28:15 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA04810; Sun, 2 Apr 2000 00:28:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2000 00:28:15 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <001301bf9c64$71cbaf60$cd0878d8@gary> From: "Gary Lehmann" To: References: <20000401173714.7240.rocketmail@web222.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: PMC10 foot pedal? Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2000 21:29:39 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <"BRVpQ1.0.zm.3cjvu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13206 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com The Ernie Ball volume pedals work really well. They are kind of heavy, but they stay in place when you take your foot off and it's easy to be exacting. Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: Stephen To: Sent: Saturday, April 01, 2000 9:37 AM Subject: PMC10 foot pedal? > > So...what's a good expression pedal to use with the > pmc10? > > thanks, > > > ===== > Stephen From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Apr 2 13:39:22 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA20352; Sun, 2 Apr 2000 13:39:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2000 13:39:22 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000402173339.33089.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [63.31.76.103] From: "Sean Witters" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Motu PCI-324/2408mII vs. Digi 001 Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2000 10:33:39 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"hbRHk.0.kh4.QIuvu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13207 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com As usual my comments, hang on the edge of topic appropriatness, but I'm considering jumping into outfitting my Powerbook G3 400Mhz (bronze) with a Magma chassis and I've determined that the Motu PCI-324/2408mkII and the Digi 001 are both within range, however I'm uncertain as to which is the better choice. I like the bang for the buck delivered by MOTU, but I'm also thinking about production issues, i.e. being able to integrate seemlessly with recording studios for post-recording production work. I'm planning on using this for live recording work with an ensemble project, so the multi-tracking is necessitated. The MOTU would offer cheaper expansion, but is it worth more to buy into the Digidesign buy-up scheme (with an eye to...sigh a massive Mix@24 system)? Is ProTools worth it? I'm using VisionDSP, but Opcode seems saddly moribund (another Gibson victim), can anyone comment on MOTU audio desk, ProTools LE, Cubase VST or Logic Audio Platinum (I understand the latency is lowest on Logic Audio). I know this is off topic, but I am capturing loops, manipulating them crunching them with the intent of proliferating loop influenced music for distribution (so it works in terms of loop evangelism). Thanks, Sean ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Apr 2 14:17:46 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA28585; Sun, 2 Apr 2000 14:17:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2000 14:17:46 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Madoud@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2000 14:00:17 EDT Subject: Re: Motu PCI-324/2408mII vs. Digi 001 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 102 Resent-Message-ID: <"RpdLn2.0.286.tguvu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13208 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I faced the same debate. Got a deal on Digital Performer 2.6. what to do Digi 001 or Motu 1224.. went with Digi 001. nice set up and cheap. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Apr 2 15:29:29 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA10354; Sun, 2 Apr 2000 15:29:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2000 15:29:29 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000402191218.75996.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [165.227.138.79] From: "David Potter" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: DJRND2 arrived from France Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2000 12:12:18 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"4FivP.0.qj1.pkvvu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13209 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I am discovering what this loop box does...It is fun and very loopy. I'm not a tech guy but I'm figuring it out...I would like to use it without my hands but so far I don't see how...I would like some tech-wiz guys over to help me explore. I haven't decided if I'm buying this the DJRND2 yet. He wants $660 for it. Feel free to call me or come buy to check it out. 831 7249194 papadave55@hotmail.com Santa Cruz (Hey Miko get over here will you this box is cool) Om and Out >From: "Larry Tremblay" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >To: >Subject: Re: DJRND2 arrived from France >Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2000 20:21:37 -0500 > >I was interested in aquiring one of Perille's boxes too. >Let know what you think of it. I may be interested >in purchasing one. > >Thanks, >- Larry > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "David Potter" >To: >Sent: Saturday, April 01, 2000 10:24 AM >Subject: DJRND2 arrived from France > > > > 4/1/2000 > > O.K. guys here's the chance to check out Perille's DJRND2 looper. I > > received it in the mail. A few guys are coming over to check it out. >Let >me > > know if you are interested in seeing it. papadave55@hotmail.com or >call > > 831 7249194. I have about 2 weeks to check it out and see if I or >someone > > else can buy it for their rig. Miko is going to check it out too. We >are > > both in Santa Cruz. OM and Out Papa Dave > > ______________________________________________________ > > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > > > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Apr 2 15:44:57 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA13715; Sun, 2 Apr 2000 15:44:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2000 15:44:57 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000402191554.2307.qmail@web204.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2000 12:15:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Stephen Subject: Re: PMC10 foot pedal? To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"8aYxN1.0.Rz1.jnvvu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13210 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thanks for the mono plug pointer. I got a stereo-to-mono converter and now the Yamaha FC7 works. Calibrating it, the pedal set it to: Min:2, Max:224, Type:0x10. I also created my own converter cable to experiment, and got it working with a different wiring at: Min:8, Max:160, Type:0x08. The reason I made my own cable was that I was getting very non-linear behavior with the FC7 - On one end it would cover CC values 0-100 traversing 1/2 the pedal range (i.e. very quicly), and the 2nd half of the pedal travel covering 101-127. This makes fine adjustments at the low end very difficult (using my cable, I managed to reverse the problem (dense hi-end), but not fix it.) I also diddle quite a bit with the max & min & types, but did nothing fixed this problem. The pedal is quite linear with other midi gear. Claude - Do you see this behavior with your FC7's? Have you ever dumped your settings to raymond and looked at the settings? The FC7 is a good pedal (you can gang them together, has adjustable tilt and a 'spring' adjustment feature allowing you to set the resting high value at less than 127 with the rest of the pedal travel being spring-loaded), but I hesitate to use it with the pmc10 unless I can somehow clean up it's interaction with the pmc10. stephen --- Claude voit wrote: > Stephen > > the fc7 works indeed with the pmc10 (I have two for > that) > > but I think I modified them to a mono plug (Its been > a long time...) > > solder the cable shield to the sleeve of the mono > jack than try each of > the two remaining conductors to the tip one of them > will be the tip > hope this can help > > Claude > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Apr 2 15:47:09 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA14147; Sun, 2 Apr 2000 15:47:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2000 15:47:09 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000402194251.8092.qmail@web209.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2000 12:42:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Stephen Subject: Re: PMC10 foot pedal? To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"VBtv23.0.YH3.-Awvu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13211 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Gary, Which EB pedals do you use? I looked at one which had in & out jacks, so I assumed you sent a signal through it in line with your gear. The expression pedals i'm used to just have male plug...how do you hook it up to the pmc10 (uh, do I *really* have to appologize for my ignorance (again :-)) --- Gary Lehmann wrote: > The Ernie Ball volume pedals work really well. They > are kind of heavy, but > they stay in place when you take your foot off and > it's easy to be exacting. > Gary ===== Stephen __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Apr 2 18:08:22 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA28334; Sun, 2 Apr 2000 18:08:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2000 18:08:22 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38E7C194.5108C295@cstone.net> Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2000 17:54:30 -0400 From: lotusart@cstone.net (John Hunter) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Regeneration with Boomerang References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"HIDOz.0.gp4.04yvu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13213 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi Folks, Just joined the list after running the Vortex into my new Boomerang. Saw something god-like for sure!! Just love that Boomerang! I have a quick question. I do live sets of ambient/experimental tonal washes, with found sound samples dropped in. I use a Theremin, various outboard fx, a Boss 202 sampler, and 2 dimension beam infrared light controllers (invisible beams tied to midi continuous controller #'s) on two synths. With a wave of a hand (or anything else) in the beam, I can call up a tone/phrase of pre-prepared sounds in the each synth separately, parameter vary it, record it into the 'rang, layer, etc., etc. My question seeks a recommendation on how to get the Boomerang to act regenerative, (or degenerative) as the more expensive Echoplex might. I've thought of getting a Boss DD-5 delay stompbox (or similar) and trying to set regen to various settings. What I want to do is have a real-time variable regen factor using some kind of foot pedal (as my hands are "in the beams". Thanks in advance for your help. John Hunter Black Lotus Sound From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Apr 2 18:15:00 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA29615; Sun, 2 Apr 2000 18:15:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2000 18:15:00 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2000 17:43:30 EDT Subject: Re: DJRND2 arrived from France To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 61 Resent-Message-ID: <"rUmny3.0.r64.fyxvu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13212 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 4/2/00 6:29:41 PM Mid-Atlantic Daylight Time, papadave55@hotmail.com writes: << this box is cool >> dave......please tell us more......michael From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Apr 2 20:05:01 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA02956; Sun, 2 Apr 2000 20:05:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2000 20:05:01 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <000901bf9cf9$ea3513c0$a4c918d0@ispchannel.com> From: "Timothy" To: References: <38E7C194.5108C295@cstone.net> Subject: Re: Regeneration with Boomerang Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2000 18:19:33 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"ZT2cp.0.sT3.2Lzvu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13214 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com As you well know, you can't get the loop to fade out automatically over time. Not with a boomerang alone. It will lower the volume of a sample if you you lay something new over it (using the Stack button), but that's just to make space for the new layer while the loop itself plays endlessly at the same volume. Have you tried branching your sound where one branch of the fresh noise is going to one output the other branch feeds into the boomerang, then feeding the boomerang through a plain old volume pedal? By pressing the little chrome tap button at the top of the boomerang you can set it to play back only the echo and filter out the new sounds coming in. This way you can control just the boomeranged effects. It's low-tech, I know. But you can do it for the cost of a cheap volume pedal. For free, using the setup above you can also adjust that volume roller on the left side of the Boomerang while it's looping and do the same thing, if less accurately. Because to do what you want to do you'd need either (1) a midi-controllable or automated mixer or similar device that's set to lower the volume in increments which correspond to the loop length on your boomerang, which is a dubious if not impossible venture, or (2) a looper with a similar delay time that's either midi controllable or is degenerative. In either case, for the same money you might as well just use an Echoplex DP. Let me know what you end up doing... ---original message--- My question seeks a recommendation on how to get the Boomerang to act regenerative, (or degenerative) as the more expensive Echoplex might. I've thought of getting a Boss DD-5 delay stompbox (or similar) and trying to set regen to various settings. What I want to do is have a real-time variable regen factor using some kind of foot pedal (as my hands are "in the beams". Thanks in advance for your help.. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Apr 3 04:46:14 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA02677; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 04:46:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 04:46:14 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38E850C8.A8A4D63D@dmans.com> Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2000 03:05:29 -0500 From: "Mikell D.Nelson" Organization: Boomerang Musical Products X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Regeneration with Boomerang References: <38E7C194.5108C295@cstone.net> <000901bf9cf9$ea3513c0$a4c918d0@ispchannel.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"lWyUc2.0.HD6.105wu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13215 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi loopers, The Rang attenuates previous layers by 2.3dB, a pretty slow rate. The new software will offer 7 choices for attenuation or decay rate. The fastest 2 offer about 4 repeats before it's gone and a single repeat (slapback). Timothy wrote: > As you well know, you can't get the loop to fade out automatically over time. > Not with a boomerang alone. It will lower the volume of a sample if you you > lay something new over it (using the Stack button), but that's just to make > space for the new layer while the loop itself plays endlessly at the same > volume. > > ---original message--- > > My question seeks a recommendation on how to get the Boomerang to act > regenerative, (or degenerative) as the more expensive Echoplex might. I've > thought of getting a Boss DD-5 delay stompbox (or similar) and trying to set > regen to various settings. What I want to do is have a real-time variable > regen factor using some kind of foot pedal (as my hands are "in the beams". > Thanks in advance for your help.. -- Mike Nelson Boomerang Musical Products 800-530-4699 PO Box 541595 214-340-6913, Outside USA Dallas, TX 75354-1595 214-343-1038, Fax http://www.boomerangmusic.com mnelson@dmans.com "Some products make you sound better; the Boomerang Phrase Sampler makes you play better." From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Apr 3 11:04:02 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA22683; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 11:04:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 11:04:02 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <027b01bf9d78$c1567b90$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: Subject: Re: Regeneration with Boomerang Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 09:27:35 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"RPpcq.0.6f3.NkAwu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13216 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi John! >My question seeks a recommendation on how to get the Boomerang to act >regenerative, (or degenerative) as the more expensive Echoplex might... I'll leave other folks to answer your question since I'm not a 'rang user and I'm sure somebody else can answer it better. But your performance/set-up caught my eye... >... I use a Theremin, various outboard fx, a >Boss 202 sampler, and 2 dimension beam infrared light controllers (invisible >beams tied to midi continuous controller #'s) on two synths. Have you recordings? On-line samples? I'd like to hear this. Are you interested in a sound swap? Also, what kind of "2 dimension beam infrared light controllers" do you use? And what do you think of them? Dennis Leas ----------------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Apr 3 12:24:41 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA09984; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 12:24:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 12:24:41 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2000 08:40:21 -0700 From: "Mike Biffle" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, papadave55@hotmail.com Subject: Re: DJRND2 arrived from France Resent-Message-ID: <"i6qEO.0.5l7.zjBwu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13217 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Well... sheeeeeiiitttt mon! I've not been able to even record a submission to my own freakin' Philter Phrenzy! project over at Chain Tape Collective... I'm Thinking that maybe I'll shoot for this coming friday eve? How's that work for your schedule? Anyone else wanna make it a loop evening? -Miko >>> "David Potter" 04/02 12:28 PM >>> I am discovering what this loop box does...It is fun and very loopy. I'm not a tech guy but I'm figuring it out...I would like to use it without my hands but so far I don't see how...I would like some tech-wiz guys over to help me explore. I haven't decided if I'm buying this the DJRND2 yet. He wants $660 for it. Feel free to call me or come buy to check it out. 831 7249194 papadave55@hotmail.com Santa Cruz (Hey Miko get over here will you this box is cool) Om and Out >From: "Larry Tremblay" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >To: >Subject: Re: DJRND2 arrived from France >Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2000 20:21:37 -0500 > >I was interested in aquiring one of Perille's boxes too. >Let know what you think of it. I may be interested >in purchasing one. > >Thanks, >- Larry > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "David Potter" >To: >Sent: Saturday, April 01, 2000 10:24 AM >Subject: DJRND2 arrived from France > > > > 4/1/2000 > > O.K. guys here's the chance to check out Perille's DJRND2 looper. I > > received it in the mail. A few guys are coming over to check it out. >Let >me > > know if you are interested in seeing it. papadave55@hotmail.com or >call > > 831 7249194. I have about 2 weeks to check it out and see if I or >someone > > else can buy it for their rig. Miko is going to check it out too. We >are > > both in Santa Cruz. OM and Out Papa Dave > > ______________________________________________________ > > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > > > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Apr 3 13:14:57 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA22012; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 13:14:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 13:14:57 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 11:26:57 -0500 (CDT) From: SOTO VALENCIA ANDRESRODOLFO To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Regeneration with Boomerang In-Reply-To: <027b01bf9d78$c1567b90$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"5CAsM3.0.RW2.oPCwu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13218 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Just waht I was about to say as well John, do you have any recordings, I'd love to hear your stuff, with that set up must be something to hear... Andy On Mon, 3 Apr 2000, Dennis W. Leas wrote: > Hi John! > > >My question seeks a recommendation on how to get the Boomerang to act > >regenerative, (or degenerative) as the more expensive Echoplex might... > > I'll leave other folks to answer your question since I'm not a 'rang user and > I'm sure somebody else can answer it better. But your performance/set-up caught > my eye... > > >... I use a Theremin, various outboard fx, a > >Boss 202 sampler, and 2 dimension beam infrared light controllers (invisible > >beams tied to midi continuous controller #'s) on two synths. > > Have you recordings? On-line samples? I'd like to hear this. Are you > interested in a sound swap? > > Also, what kind of "2 dimension beam infrared light controllers" do you use? > And what do you think of them? > > Dennis Leas > ----------------------------- > dennis@mdbs.com > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Apr 3 14:10:12 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA03960; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 14:10:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 14:10:12 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000403174141.20260.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [205.155.29.76] From: "David Potter" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: DJRND2 arrived from France Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2000 10:41:41 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"ImNVA3.0.wE7.sVDwu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13219 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I have to change an EProm software the Perille sent. I wanted your help on that to do it right. It looks like the chip we put in the EDP. I only have about 2 weeks with this thing before I have to send it back. If Friday is the soonest then Fri. it is... Anyone with interest is welcome...guys on the list want some feedback about it but as of yet I don't have much. I'm getting it to work...Om stay in touch... Papa Dave >From: "Mike Biffle" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, papadave55@hotmail.com >Subject: Re: DJRND2 arrived from France >Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2000 08:40:21 -0700 > >Well... sheeeeeiiitttt mon! I've not been able to even record a >submission to my own freakin' Philter Phrenzy! project over at Chain >Tape Collective... I'm Thinking that maybe I'll shoot for this coming >friday eve? How's that work for your schedule? Anyone else wanna make >it a loop evening? > >-Miko > > >>> "David Potter" 04/02 12:28 PM >>> >I am discovering what this loop box does...It is fun and very loopy. >I'm >not a tech guy but I'm figuring it out...I would like to use it >without my >hands but so far I don't see how...I would like some tech-wiz guys >over to >help me explore. I haven't decided if I'm buying this the DJRND2 >yet. He >wants $660 for it. Feel free to call me or come buy to check it out. > 831 >7249194 papadave55@hotmail.com Santa Cruz >(Hey Miko get over here will you this box is cool) Om and Out > > >From: "Larry Tremblay" > >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > >To: > >Subject: Re: DJRND2 arrived from France > >Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2000 20:21:37 -0500 > > > >I was interested in aquiring one of Perille's boxes too. > >Let know what you think of it. I may be interested > >in purchasing one. > > > >Thanks, > >- Larry > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "David Potter" > >To: > >Sent: Saturday, April 01, 2000 10:24 AM > >Subject: DJRND2 arrived from France > > > > > > > 4/1/2000 > > > O.K. guys here's the chance to check out Perille's DJRND2 looper. > I > > > received it in the mail. A few guys are coming over to check it >out. > >Let > >me > > > know if you are interested in seeing it. papadave55@hotmail.com > or > >call > > > 831 7249194. I have about 2 weeks to check it out and see if I >or > >someone > > > else can buy it for their rig. Miko is going to check it out >too. We > >are > > > both in Santa Cruz. OM and Out Papa Dave > > > ______________________________________________________ > > > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > > > > > > > > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Apr 3 15:01:05 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA17018; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 15:01:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 15:01:05 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: lotusart@cstone.net (John Hunter) Subject: Re: Regeneration with Boomerang Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 18:11:00 GMT X-Mailer: Endymion MailMan Standard Edition v3.0.20 Message-ID: <20000403180544.AAA30498@Astrovan.cstone.net@oxygen.cho.cstone.net> Resent-Message-ID: <"swr9h1.0.g_.vwDwu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13221 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hey Dennis, > Also, what kind of "2 dimension beam infrared light controllers" do you use? > And what do you think of them? > Flattery will get you everywhere! ;-) Thanks for the pos support. Love those d-beams!!! It is interesting even to me how this particular set-up has evolved. I've been through close to 40 synths and god knows how many fx processors. The Theremin was an attempt to become more"at one" with the sound. I'm trying to remove as many barriers as possible from having intuition/idea go more directly into sound. The concept is moving towards a what I call a "transparent Interface". The d-beams are videocassette-sized boxes that emit an egg-shaped (user can vary size), infrared (invisible) beam of light. The response to shape and movement in the beams is programmable: you can tie movement to midi cc's number (the d-beams have midi in and out). I try to load certain parameters of the synth (filter cut-off, etc) onto the beam's cc# and thereby modulate in real time, those parameters. The beams can aso be set to act like a virtual keyboard in space, where individual notes can be triggered on the synth. But I find that much like a Theremin in that it's harder to control (i.e., predict what you'll get!) So far though, its fab to simply reach out and "hit" a sound in the air in sequence or rhythm and record it in the 'Rang with beam modulations; makes for some really, really strange nuances. In conjunction with the Vortex with expression pedal.....whew! > Have you recordings? On-line samples? I'd like to hear this. Are you > interested in a sound swap? I haven't put out any work since 94 and that was pre-transparent interface work, so unfortunately I only have a few not-too-carefully-recorded concerts. I will hopefully get pro video footage thru a friend on Earth Day (the 25th) this month. Though I really haven't had the time or chance to tend to the whole sound on-line thing perhaps I'll get something up soon. Earliest I could send you something would be end of April. Its really heavy concert prep for this upcoming show. I will use the Boomerang though, and hopefully wow 'em with that and the 2 beams, Thermin, Vortex, and sampler, all thru multi-fx. Hope this helps (or at least interesting;-)) John Hunter Black Lotus Sound > Hi John! > > >My question seeks a recommendation on how to get the Boomerang to act > >regenerative, (or degenerative) as the more expensive Echoplex might... > > I'll leave other folks to answer your question since I'm not a 'rang user and > I'm sure somebody else can answer it better. But your performance/set-up caught > my eye... > > >... I use a Theremin, various outboard fx, a > >Boss 202 sampler, and 2 dimension beam infrared light controllers (invisible > >beams tied to midi continuous controller #'s) on two synths. > > Dennis Leas > ----------------------------- > dennis@mdbs.com > > -------------------------------------------------------- Cornerstone Networks Pure Internet! Tech Support: 804.817.7000 Fax: 804.817.7001 Local access in Charlottesville, Richmond, Louisa, Clover, Halifax and Palmyra. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Apr 3 14:50:40 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA14873; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 14:50:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 14:50:40 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Diazsanctus@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 14:24:56 EDT Subject: get me off !!!!!! this mailing list !!!!!!!! To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 147 Resent-Message-ID: <"h6Frb3.0.sx1.X8Ewu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13222 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com get me off this mailing list. daniel From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Apr 3 14:46:31 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA13823; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 14:46:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 14:46:31 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38E8DDFC.9316EAFC@pop.agri.ch> Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2000 20:07:56 +0200 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Jes=FAs=20Turi=F1o?= Reply-To: j-turino@pop.agri.ch Organization: i45 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [de] (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: de,es MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: ensonic sp2 contoller References: <38E7C194.5108C295@cstone.net> <000901bf9cf9$ea3513c0$a4c918d0@ispchannel.com> <38E850C8.A8A4D63D@dmans.com> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------84DD8E0F30874FCD49A7B15A" Resent-Message-ID: <"WhmhF.0.V-.NwDwu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13220 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Dies ist eine mehrteilige Nachricht im MIME-Format. --------------84DD8E0F30874FCD49A7B15A Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable hello i'm just a newbie in all this midi stuff. i bought a ensonic sp2 and use a alesis sr-16 drummachine/jamman- now my question - any suggestions for a good footcontroller for the enson= iq - i now, there was this discussion right now on LD, but the discussion wa= s on a high level, so i didn't really understand, what you were discussing. :( i= still have some "homework" to do, i know. thanks a lot, jes=FAs --------------84DD8E0F30874FCD49A7B15A Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="j-turino.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Visitenkarte fŸr Jesœs Turi–o Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="j-turino.vcf" begin:vcard n:Turiño ;Jesús tel;fax:+41 41 761 33 91 (G) tel;home:+41 41 210 39 69 tel;work:+41 41 761 26 42 x-mozilla-html:FALSE url:www.i45.ch org:i45 Zug adr:;;Waldstätterstrasse 16;Luzern;Luzern;6003;Switzerland version:2.1 email;internet:j-turino@pop.agri.ch x-mozilla-cpt:;1 fn:Jesús Turiño end:vcard --------------84DD8E0F30874FCD49A7B15A-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Apr 3 14:59:21 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA16693; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 14:59:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 14:59:21 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: lotusart@cstone.net (John Hunter) Subject: Re: Regeneration with Boomerang Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 18:31:03 GMT X-Mailer: Endymion MailMan Standard Edition v3.0.20 Message-ID: <20000403182547.AAA3478@Astrovan.cstone.net@oxygen.cho.cstone.net> Resent-Message-ID: <"3d8AZ.0.uK2.fDEwu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13223 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hey-yeah Timothy, Thanks for the reply. I don't have your full text as I am at a remote server but your info is helpful. I think I also wasn't as clear as I thought too. What I (think) I'm trying to do is to welly up the regeneration (or take it down) in real-time. Also increase/decrease the feedback in analog fashion- variably. I can see where a volume pedal would help in bring the sound itself in or out of the mix, though. John Timothy wrote: > As you well know, you can't get the loop to fade out automatically over time. > Not with a boomerang alone. It will lower the volume of a sample if you you > lay something new over it (using the Stack button), but that's just to make > space for the new layer while the loop itself plays endlessly at the same > volume. -------------------------------------------------------- Cornerstone Networks Pure Internet! Tech Support: 804.817.7000 Fax: 804.817.7001 Local access in Charlottesville, Richmond, Louisa, Clover, Halifax and Palmyra. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Apr 3 16:08:48 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA02014; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 16:08:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 16:08:48 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 15:21:39 EDT Subject: Re: MPX-G2 MIDI Synch? To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 32 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by rosy.yourwebhost.com id PAA23027 Resent-Message-ID: <"1L25S2.0.1e5.mzEwu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13225 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 01/04/00 09:48:14 GMT Daylight Time, steve@steve-lawson.co.uk writes: > Is the Echoplex available in the UK? Soon (£550-£800) by Trace Elliot >Is that what Eberhard Weber uses? Yes, but he only uses the most basic features. Andy Butler Lexicon Vortex Database http://members.aol.com/soundfnr/vortex.htm From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Apr 3 15:22:46 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA23086; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 15:22:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 15:22:46 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: magicicada@mindspring.com Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2000 14:57:52 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: get me off !!!!!! this mailing list !!!!!!!! Sender: magicicada@mindspring.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: 170.140.104.69 Resent-Message-ID: <"xPclu3.0.424.scEwu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13224 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com GET YOURSELF OFF! Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com wrote: > get me off this mailing list. daniel From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Apr 3 17:02:08 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA15037; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 17:02:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 17:02:08 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38E8FF5F.4178FB64@pop.agri.ch> Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2000 22:30:24 +0200 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Jes=FAs=20Turi=F1o?= Reply-To: j-turino@pop.agri.ch Organization: i45 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [de] (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: de,es MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: get me off !!!!!! this mailing list !!!!!!!! References: <22.3f737c2.261a57d2@aol.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------1B62891AF16D6AD32AECB778" Resent-Message-ID: <"O34_w2.0.vr1.u_Fwu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13228 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com --------------1B62891AF16D6AD32AECB778 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit as my mom said ... "read the fucking manuals!" or I'm sorry, I need to unsubscribe from Looper's Delight. How do I do that? It's not that I dislike people there or anything, you understand. To unsubscribe, send mail with the word "unsubscribe" in both the subject and body, and no sig files or anything else, to: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com If you are on the digest version of Looper's Delight, send your unsubscribe request to: Loopers-Delight-d-request@annihilist.com Don't send your unsubscribe message to the list, or people will make fun of you and you will feel like a dork. Diazsanctus@aol.com schrieb: > >GET YOURSELF OFF! > > Now that is unnecessary. did you take me off? > > out > daniel --------------1B62891AF16D6AD32AECB778 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit as my mom said ... "read the fucking manuals!"

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--------------1B62891AF16D6AD32AECB778-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Apr 3 16:52:54 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA12538; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 16:52:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 16:52:54 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Diazsanctus@aol.com Message-ID: <22.3f737c2.261a57d2@aol.com> Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 16:23:46 EDT Subject: Re: get me off !!!!!! this mailing list !!!!!!!! To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 147 Resent-Message-ID: <"H9Pd51.0.NR1.ytFwu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13227 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >GET YOURSELF OFF! Now that is unnecessary. did you take me off? out daniel From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Apr 3 17:02:37 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA15086; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 17:02:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 17:02:37 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000403200843.9160.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [204.247.186.99] From: "matt davignon" To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Subject: Getting off the mailing list Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2000 13:08:43 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"dzkGA.0.EW.ifFwu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13226 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I was raised in a barn, and I remember the days when my dear old mom would set a trap to get rid of the flies during the summer. She set up a glass jar with a funny shaped lid. The idea was that the flies would go in after the bait and have no idea how to get out. It was a fairly simple exit, but way to complex for fly standards. Here's the kicker - the top of the lid had a diagram of how to get out. The flies would be so excited about getting inside the jar that they never stopped to look at the diagram of how to get out. You know, that's funny, because in Loopers Delight, you have to pass by the "unsubscribe" instructions in order to subscribe. I guess this ramble is on topic after all! These very simple instructions are also found at this section of the LD site. http://annihilist.com/loop/list/LoopList.html Matt ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Apr 3 17:36:51 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA23229; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 17:36:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 17:36:51 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: c.voit@vtx.ch Message-ID: <38E98315.6ECED5EF@vtx.ch> Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2000 22:52:21 -0700 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: get me off !!!!!! this mailing list !!!!!!!! References: <22.3f737c2.261a57d2@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"OnF-_2.0.1l3.cSGwu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13230 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Diazsanctus@aol.com wrote: > > >GET YOURSELF OFF! > > Now that is unnecessary. did you take me off? who me ? no I can't why ? because you _only_ can say the sacred word UNSUBSCRIBE at the holy place where you entered the loopy looper's delight forum with the magic SUBSCRIBE incantation the alibaba cavern is located at http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html find the mailing list and do it but please do not wake brother Kim up shhht Claude From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Apr 3 17:10:42 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA16862; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 17:10:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 17:10:42 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: magicicada@mindspring.com Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2000 16:43:51 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Re: get me off !!!!!! this mailing list !!!!!!!! Sender: magicicada@mindspring.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: 170.140.104.69 Resent-Message-ID: <"QMfCE1.0.GS2.AAGwu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13229 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com mr.d go to onelist and do it yourself Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com wrote: > >GET YOURSELF OFF! Now that is unnecessary. did you take me off? out daniel From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Apr 3 17:39:09 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA24191; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 17:39:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 17:39:09 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38E90BF8.F3D45F5F@cstone.net> Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2000 17:24:11 -0400 From: lotusart@cstone.net (John Hunter) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Regeneration with Boomerang References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"oHj911.0.yz4.ZjGwu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13231 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi Andy, Yep it is sho' nuff fun, this set-up. It took 10 years to evolve to it though, and I keep refining it. Usta have walls and walls of gear and didn't have time to learn most of it well. So now there's just a mini-gig-rig (SKB), 3 fx rack boxes ,and bunches of pedals controlling the synths (Jp-8080 and Audity 2000 also in the rig) and controlling the beams. I will probably get a little keyboard controller (again) just to get, and hold those notes- upper and lower octaves, that are hard to hold with the beam. But this list is for looping so I'll try to stay on target. The 'Rang really has helped me reach another level with fast, intuitive composition (sequencing, in effect) and so I was able to realize greater usage of potential especially with the Audity 2000. The randomize function I use to dial up space-ship loads of new sounds that can then be tweaked to taste. The Boomer then chews these up in bits and phrases (according to my "hand-whim" in the beam. I now want to run the Boomer into the vocoder/filter/voice modulator section of the 8080...and then back into the Boomer layering successive differently filtered layers via 8080. Crazy, huh ? I really will try to get something up for you cats from this upcoming show. A first for me! Btw, do you have any recommendations for the weirdest guitar pedal, particularly fuzz boxes?? I'm feelin' that urge....;-) Thanks for the interest. This is a great list. In our small mountain college town, its not easy to find folks to talk with about Looping. We formed a little Sonic Guild here- community and university electronic musicians who meet once a month to share stuff, but loopers are rare. John John Hunter Black Lotus Sound SOTO VALENCIA ANDRESRODOLFO wrote: > Just what I was about to say as well John, do you have any recordings, > I'd love to hear your stuff, with that set up must be something to > hear... > >> Andy >> >> On Mon, 3 Apr 2000, Dennis W. Leas wrote: >> >> > Hi John! >> > >> > >My question seeks a recommendation on how to get the Boomerang to act >> > >regenerative, (or degenerative) as the more expensive Echoplex might... >> > >> > I'll leave other folks to answer your question since I'm not a 'rang user and >> > I'm sure somebody else can answer it better. But your performance/set-up >> caught >> > my eye... >> > >> > >... I use a Theremin, various outboard fx, a >> > >Boss 202 sampler, and 2 dimension beam infrared light controllers (invisible >> > >beams tied to midi continuous controller #'s) on two synths. >> > >> > Have you recordings? On-line samples? I'd like to hear this. Are you >> > interested in a sound swap? >> > >> > Also, what kind of "2 dimension beam infrared light controllers" do you use? >> > And what do you think of them? >> > >> > Dennis Leas >> From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Apr 3 18:22:22 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA02216; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 18:22:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 18:22:22 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: partagas.dragonet.es: dinamic1-192.drago.net [195.76.196.192] didn't use HELO protocol Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.20000404002009.009c7c20@mail.dragonet.es> X-Sender: d3055@mail.dragonet.es (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 00:20:09 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Ra=FCl?= Bonell =?iso-8859-1?Q?Tom=E0s?= Subject: MIDI Echoplex Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by rosy.yourwebhost.com id SAA00700 Resent-Message-ID: <"EwV583.0.SB.BXHwu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13232 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com hi friends for plex. users can anybody tell me if it's possible to control via MIDI the 7 buttons from the front panel plus the feedback using a single MIDI pedalboard with onboard expression pedal ? if possible, is somebody using this configuration ? i'd be loopy-delighted if you may share your knowledge with us ! .... ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// D o c t o r S a x N e w s New CD-R Release ! 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Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 15:42:30 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <"edOHj3.0.tR1.MqHwu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13233 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I think that is so appropriate--maybe that should be on the T shirts--"Loopers get themselves off" G. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, April 03, 2000 1:43 PM Subject: Re: Re: get me off !!!!!! this mailing list !!!!!!!! > mr.d go to onelist and do it yourself > Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com wrote: > > >GET YOURSELF OFF! > Now that is unnecessary. did you take me off? > > out > daniel > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Apr 3 18:52:09 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA09793; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 18:52:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 18:52:09 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38E91F9B.86DE55BB@ppi2pass.com> Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2000 15:47:56 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro Reply-To: msottilaro@ppi2pass.com Organization: PPI X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Regeneration with Boomerang References: <38E90BF8.F3D45F5F@cstone.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"KNVUu3.0.L72.9_Hwu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13234 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hey, It's not a fuzz box, but one of the most bizzare pedals I've encountered is the Digitech Spacestation. Frankly, unless you hit the bypass, you can't get a normal sound out of it. On the down side, although there's an expression pedal built in, you can't make up your own presets. On the plus side, it comes with 40 wacky presets that are loads of fun. When put in front or in back of other effects, loads of fun can happen. What sleepy mountain college town are you from? -- Mark Sottilaro Professional Publications, Inc 1250 Fifth Ave, Belmont CA 94002 Multimedia Production E-mail: msottilaro@ppi2pass.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Apr 3 21:00:39 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA06002; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 21:00:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 21:00:39 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <38E7C194.5108C295@cstone.net> References: <38E7C194.5108C295@cstone.net> Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 20:45:25 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: Boomerang Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <"0zc7y.0._O1.duJwu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13236 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Is there a web site with the feature set of the Boomerang -- I spend more time doing video than music and hadn't heard about this one yet. "The reasonable man adapts himself to the world. The unreasonable man persists in adapting the world to himself. Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man. -- George Bernard Shaw Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. Video Producer Image Processing Specialist Video for your HEAD! Boris FX http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Apr 3 20:39:02 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA01181; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 20:39:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 20:39:02 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: PaulPokr@aol.com Message-ID: <32.32f6fdc.261a9165@aol.com> Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 20:29:25 EDT Subject: Echoplex vs Boomerang To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 61 Resent-Message-ID: <"-KL2b2.0.Cv7.mVJwu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13235 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi, all: I have itchy fingers. I'm tempted to buy a Boomerang rather than wait for the Echoplex's to be delivered to stores. Is the wait worth it? I know the 'plex is more full featured than the 'rang, but I'd just like some feedback. Regards, Paul from the Butch Band From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Apr 3 22:43:15 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA29028; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 22:43:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 22:43:15 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38E94F1C.417FF121@latrobe.edu.au> Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 12:10:36 +1000 From: "b.knox" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Regeneration with Boomerang References: <38E7C194.5108C295@cstone.net> <000901bf9cf9$ea3513c0$a4c918d0@ispchannel.com> <38E850C8.A8A4D63D@dmans.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"9TSw82.0.lG5.ZyKwu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13238 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com "Mikell D.Nelson" wrote: > > Hi loopers, > The Rang attenuates previous layers by 2.3dB, a pretty slow rate. The new > software will offer 7 choices for attenuation or decay rate. The fastest 2 offer > about 4 repeats before it's gone and a single repeat (slapback). > when for art thou thy new software? From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Apr 3 22:22:15 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA24162; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 22:22:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 22:22:15 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38E94D3F.118B2A0D@cstone.net> Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2000 22:02:44 -0400 From: lotusart@cstone.net (John Hunter) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Boomerang References: <38E7C194.5108C295@cstone.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"DxfDK2.0.lE5.SxKwu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13237 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com http://www.boomerangmusic.com/ The Boomerang site "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" wrote: > Is there a web site with the feature set of the Boomerang -- I spend > more time doing video than music and hadn't heard about this one yet. > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Apr 4 00:46:44 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA28029; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 00:46:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 00:46:44 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <002101bf9def$748ceac0$590878d8@gary> From: "Gary Lehmann" To: References: <20000402194251.8092.qmail@web209.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: PMC10 foot pedal? Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 21:37:15 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <"41mRG.0.6L6.x6Nwu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13240 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Right now I'm using a stereo EB pedal--what you do is plug the output of the pedal into the expression pedal jack on the PMC. BTW, does anyone have an idea of when the Jamman modification will be available? Will the Oberheim Echoplex be available by then? Sounds like it is going to be the ultimate in looping samplers. G. ----- Original Message ----- From: Stephen To: Sent: Sunday, April 02, 2000 12:42 PM Subject: Re: PMC10 foot pedal? > Gary, > > Which EB pedals do you use? I looked at one which had > in & out jacks, so I assumed you sent a signal through > it in line with your gear. The expression pedals i'm > used to just have male plug...how do you hook it up to > the pmc10 (uh, do I *really* have to appologize for my > ignorance (again :-)) > > --- Gary Lehmann wrote: > > The Ernie Ball volume pedals work really well. They > > are kind of heavy, but > > they stay in place when you take your foot off and > > it's easy to be exacting. > > Gary > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Apr 4 00:28:38 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA24541; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 00:28:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 00:28:38 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <62.2299bea.261ac120@aol.com> Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 23:53:04 EDT Subject: Re: Regeneration with Boomerang To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 61 Resent-Message-ID: <"F--292.0.XH3.1UMwu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13239 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 4/3/00 6:00:49 PM Mid-Atlantic Daylight Time, lotusart@cstone.net writes: << Earliest I could send you something would be end of April. >> john........count me in.........would love to give a listen..........michael From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Apr 4 01:08:49 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA00536; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 01:08:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 01:08:49 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <001c01bf9df2$07dc7c80$8f368218@we.mediaone.net> From: "Om_Audio" To: "Loopers List" Subject: OT: Octave Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 21:55:42 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"EaoY63.0.vM7.FNNwu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13241 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi all- I am interested in obtaining an octave pedal and would like any input as to what you all think is good out there- Preferably smooth, more than 1 octave down, less than $200- - - I checked out the brown Boss model and really was not impressed- maybe z-vex or other boutique? Cliff From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Apr 4 02:42:42 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA20723; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 02:42:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 02:42:42 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <001701bf9dfe$d745e7c0$8f368218@we.mediaone.net> From: "Om_Audio" To: "Loopers List" Subject: Original Echoplex is back in prod. Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 23:27:24 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"1grKX1.0.mD4.CjOwu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13243 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Click on "The Plex" once you arrive- - - http://www.pedalman.com/ Cliff From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Apr 4 02:23:59 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA17086; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 02:23:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 02:23:59 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <005301bf9dfe$38d684a0$a4c918d0@ispchannel.com> From: "Timothy" To: Subject: EDP Availability question Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 01:22:57 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"DwA6V3.0.sw3.gdOwu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13242 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Oh goodie: another question about when the EDP is going to be in stores. Honest, I tried to do my homework. I searched through the last few months of archive postings and have been following all the threads since I joined, so please don't be too mad at me. But does anyone know when we can expect it? Thanks Tim From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Apr 4 04:30:00 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA11917; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 04:30:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 04:30:00 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Apparently-From: Reply-To: From: "Javier Miranda V." To: Subject: RE: Getting off the mailing list Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 19:48:08 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 In-Reply-To: <20000403200843.9160.qmail@hotmail.com> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <"WGObn2.0.cg2.XTQwu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13244 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hot damn! These are the magical posts why I love the LD. Keep it up, Matt. Hey, when's that beer? | -----Original Message----- | From: matt davignon [mailto:mattdavignon@hotmail.com] | Sent: Monday 03 April 2000 1:09 PM | To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com | Subject: Getting off the mailing list | | | I was raised in a barn, and I remember the days when my dear | old mom would | set a trap to get rid of the flies during the summer. She set | up a glass jar | with a funny shaped lid. The idea was that the flies would go | in after the | bait and have no idea how to get out. It was a fairly simple | exit, but way | to complex for fly standards. | | Here's the kicker - the top of the lid had a diagram of how to | get out. The | flies would be so excited about getting inside the jar that they never | stopped to look at the diagram of how to get out. | | You know, that's funny, because in Loopers Delight, you have to | pass by the | "unsubscribe" instructions in order to subscribe. I guess this | ramble is on | topic after all! These very simple instructions are also found at this | section of the LD site. | | http://annihilist.com/loop/list/LoopList.html | | Matt __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Apr 4 07:56:18 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA23694; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 07:56:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 07:56:18 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Sender: rob@rosy.yourwebhost.com Message-ID: <38E9D4B4.6631E772@wxs.nl> Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 13:40:36 +0200 From: Robert van der Kamp X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.12-20 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Original Echoplex is back in prod. References: <001701bf9dfe$d745e7c0$8f368218@we.mediaone.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"k04O33.0.2Y4.UETwu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13245 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Om_Audio wrote: > Click on "The Plex" once you arrive- - - > > http://www.pedalman.com/ > > Cliff This is the *tape* thingy, isn't it? Not the digital pro. Robert From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Apr 4 10:00:19 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA20672; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 10:00:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 10:00:19 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <003d01bf9e3a$fa63cec0$09cf08cf@STVINC.COM> From: "Don Pancoe" To: References: <001c01bf9df2$07dc7c80$8f368218@we.mediaone.net> Subject: Re: Octave Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 09:37:50 -0400 Organization: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Resent-Message-ID: <"1lZVM3.0.Az3.33Vwu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13246 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > I am interested in obtaining an octave pedal and would like any input as to > what you all think is good out there- Preferably smooth, more than 1 octave > down, less than $200- - - I checked out the brown Boss model and really was > not impressed- maybe z-vex or other boutique? It might be a bit more than $200, but try the Digitech Whammy 1 (WH1) reissue. I have an original WH1 and it is the smoothest sounding pitch shifter I've ever used. It can do a wide variety of preset musical intervals as well as dive-bomb-whammy-pedal-madness. I've never tried any of the models in between the original WH1 and the reissue WH1, but I've heard that they used a different (i.e., cheaper to produce) circuit and were not as smooth (and I don't think this is just "vintage" BS either.) Plus, the WH1 is BIG and RED and definitely noticable on stage. -- Mango -- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Apr 4 11:06:44 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA05111; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 11:06:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 11:06:44 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000404143116.33806.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [165.227.137.28] From: "David Potter" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Re: get me off !!!!!! this mailing list !!!!!!!! Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 07:31:16 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"xT2Ry.0.h-6.LpVwu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13247 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com How about "Go Loop Yourself" >I think that is so appropriate--maybe that should be on the T >shirts--"Loopers get themselves off" >G. > >----- Original Message ----- >From: >To: >Sent: Monday, April 03, 2000 1:43 PM >Subject: Re: Re: get me off !!!!!! this mailing list !!!!!!!! > > > > mr.d go to onelist and do it yourself > > Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com wrote: > > > >GET YOURSELF OFF! > > Now that is unnecessary. did you take me off? > > > > out > > daniel > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Apr 4 11:30:54 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA11221; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 11:30:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 11:30:54 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <009c01bf9e48$269fbd20$0e98adce@hideo> From: "hideo" To: References: <001c01bf9df2$07dc7c80$8f368218@we.mediaone.net> <003d01bf9e3a$fa63cec0$09cf08cf@STVINC.COM> Subject: Re: Octave Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 10:12:09 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <"zr_Oz2.0.WJ1.4MWwu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13248 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com in my experience, if you want a smooth unsullied octave down note that sticks to your original signal like glue, pedals don't provide it . . . I've been pretty happy with the pitch shift on my MPX-100 (not to mention it's other uses as effects/looper/A-D convertor) if you like mis-tracking and artifacts to provide a little edge (and maybe distract people from your lack of musical skill as I do), octave pedals are indispensable which is why I have a Korg and an Ibanez 10 series plus if you open them up and bridge the circuit traces with your fingers, you'll discover hours worth of mesmerising and discordant sounds YUMMY drone on~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Tom Lambrecht hideo@concentric.net ----- Original Message ----- From: Don Pancoe To: Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2000 8:37 AM Subject: Re: Octave > > > I am interested in obtaining an octave pedal and would like any input as > to > > what you all think is good out there- Preferably smooth, more than 1 > octave > > down, less than $200- - - I checked out the brown Boss model and really > was > > not impressed- maybe z-vex or other boutique SNIP From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Apr 4 11:52:30 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA16357; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 11:52:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 11:52:30 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <002e01bf9e4a$ac152a60$960178d8@gary> From: "Gary Lehmann" To: References: <20000404143116.33806.qmail@hotmail.com> Subject: Album name (was: get me off!!!!!!) Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 08:30:13 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <"sVTG41.0.2s2.0hWwu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13249 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Love it!!! I would like permission to use this title for my next release. Great stuff!! Gary Lehmann ----- Original Message ----- From: David Potter To: Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2000 7:31 AM Subject: Re: Re: get me off !!!!!! this mailing list !!!!!!!! > How about "Go Loop Yourself" > > >I think that is so appropriate--maybe that should be on the T > >shirts--"Loopers get themselves off" > >G. > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: > >To: > >Sent: Monday, April 03, 2000 1:43 PM > >Subject: Re: Re: get me off !!!!!! this mailing list !!!!!!!! > > > > > > > mr.d go to onelist and do it yourself > > > Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com wrote: > > > > >GET YOURSELF OFF! > > > Now that is unnecessary. did you take me off? > > > > > > out > > > daniel > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Apr 4 12:54:57 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA30617; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 12:54:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 12:54:57 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38EA1D56.603D206E@toddreynolds.com> Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 12:50:34 -0400 From: Todd Reynolds Reply-To: j-turino@pop.agri.ch X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: MPX G2 to Echoplex and back. level problems... References: <38E7C194.5108C295@cstone.net> <000901bf9cf9$ea3513c0$a4c918d0@ispchannel.com> <38E850C8.A8A4D63D@dmans.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"pFe2N.0.qO7.WrXwu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13250 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com hey y'all. seeing as how there are a thousand EDP users and some G2 users as well, i as for some support. i'm sending out from the insert of the g2 to the edp, then to a jamman and then back again. i have the input of the oberheim only at 9:00 or so. and still only distorted signal. i have virtually no headroom. it would seem simple, wouldn't it? "your signal is too hot!" but it seems as though if i lower the send level, i just get no effect. can't seem to get a middle ground. sorry if i'm being ignorant, but i really need a hand... at one point i remember someone else asking a question of kim re: input levels too hot... thanks todd reynolds From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Apr 4 13:15:26 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA03584; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 13:15:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 13:15:26 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 10:07:23 -0700 From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: EDP Availability question In-reply-to: <005301bf9dfe$38d684a0$a4c918d0@ispchannel.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"S28xp2.0.ZZ.h8Ywu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13251 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 11:22 PM -0700 4/3/00, Timothy wrote: >Oh goodie: another question about when the EDP is going to be in stores. >Honest, I tried to do my homework. I searched through the last few months of >archive postings and have been following all the threads since I joined, so >please don't be too mad at me. > >But does anyone know when we can expect it? > >Thanks >Tim as I understood, the first units should be getting to dealers next week or so. You can contact Gibson to confirm that. The Gibson sales rep for Echoplex is Gil Pini at gpini@gibson.com, 1-800-544-2766 x217. good luck! kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Apr 4 13:35:15 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA08579; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 13:35:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 13:35:15 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38EA2692.C997B539@ppi2pass.com> Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 10:29:54 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro Reply-To: msottilaro@ppi2pass.com Organization: PPI X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Pedalman: Ugliest web site. References: <001701bf9dfe$d745e7c0$8f368218@we.mediaone.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"8zfSW.0.hn1.2RYwu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13252 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com God damn! I couldn't even stay on this site long enough to get any information... I started to turn to stone... the horror! Om_Audio wrote: > Click on "The Plex" once you arrive- - - > > http://www.pedalman.com/ > > Cliff -- Mark Sottilaro Professional Publications, Inc 1250 Fifth Ave, Belmont CA 94002 Multimedia Production E-mail: msottilaro@ppi2pass.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Apr 4 13:47:28 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA11316; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 13:47:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 13:47:28 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38EA2831.6990B26F@ppi2pass.com> Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 10:36:50 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro Reply-To: msottilaro@ppi2pass.com Organization: PPI X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Kim! Get me off this crazy list! References: <38E7C194.5108C295@cstone.net> <000901bf9cf9$ea3513c0$a4c918d0@ispchannel.com> <38E850C8.A8A4D63D@dmans.com> <38EA1D56.603D206E@toddreynolds.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Lt_tJ2.0.K92.VXYwu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13253 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hey Kim, (and other loopers) Maybe if you made the unsubscribe message a bit more memorable people wouldn't have such a hard time unsubscribing. My suggestion is, "Jane! Get me off this crazy thing!" -- Mark Sottilaro Professional Publications, Inc 1250 Fifth Ave, Belmont CA 94002 Multimedia Production E-mail: msottilaro@ppi2pass.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Apr 4 14:19:36 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA19314; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 14:19:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 14:19:36 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000404181049.10726.rocketmail@web222.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 11:10:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Stephen Subject: Re: EDP Availability question To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"nIZ8o2.0.kH4.x0Zwu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13254 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I put my name on Alto's waiting list for the 'April' shipment - their 'March' shipment waiting list was already full. I suspect April to look more like.....? Jeepers Mister Green Jeans, stephen --- Timothy wrote: > Oh goodie: another question about when the EDP is > going to be in stores. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Apr 4 14:19:52 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA19332; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 14:19:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 14:19:52 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000404181411.73661.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [204.164.62.238] Reply-To: m.lameyer@rcn.com From: "Michael LaMeyer" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: Kim! Get me off this crazy list! Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 14:14:11 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"Um1z61.0.wN4.M4Zwu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13255 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com How about putting the unsubscribe instructions in 24pt font right at the top of the message with pictures of naked people? People might remember that. Or perhaps more practical, a redirect for any message with the words 'unsubscribe' or 'get me off this list!' in the subject or body. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Sottilaro" To: Cc: Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2000 1:36 PM Subject: Kim! Get me off this crazy list! >Hey Kim, (and other loopers) > >Maybe if you made the unsubscribe message a bit more memorable people >wouldn't have such a hard time unsubscribing. My suggestion is, "Jane! >Get me off this crazy thing!" > >-- >Mark Sottilaro >Professional Publications, Inc >1250 Fifth Ave, Belmont CA 94002 >Multimedia Production >E-mail: msottilaro@ppi2pass.com > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Apr 4 15:31:19 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA04954; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 15:31:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 15:31:19 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000404192452.81666.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [204.247.186.99] From: "matt davignon" To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: beer Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 12:24:52 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"HkIae2.0.Du.c6awu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13256 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Remember? I don't drink! Let's make an SF bay area looper get-together instead! >From: "Javier Miranda V." >Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 19:48:08 -0700 > >Hot damn! These are the magical posts why I love the LD. Keep it up, >Matt. >Hey, when's that beer? > > | -----Original Message----- > | From: matt davignon [mailto:mattdavignon@hotmail.com] > | Sent: Monday 03 April 2000 1:09 PM > | To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com > | Subject: Getting off the mailing list > | > | > | I was raised in a barn, and I remember the days when my dear > | old mom would > | set a trap to get rid of the flies during the summer. She set > | up a glass jar > | with a funny shaped lid. The idea was that the flies would go > | in after the > | bait and have no idea how to get out. It was a fairly simple > | exit, but way > | to complex for fly standards. > | > | Here's the kicker - the top of the lid had a diagram of how to > | get out. The > | flies would be so excited about getting inside the jar that they never > | stopped to look at the diagram of how to get out. > | > | You know, that's funny, because in Loopers Delight, you have to > | pass by the > | "unsubscribe" instructions in order to subscribe. I guess this > | ramble is on > | topic after all! These very simple instructions are also found at this > | section of the LD site. > | > | http://annihilist.com/loop/list/LoopList.html > | > | Matt > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. >http://im.yahoo.com > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Apr 4 16:29:45 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA21726; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 16:29:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 16:29:45 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38EA4F26.82D715CF@ppi2pass.com> Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 13:23:06 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro Reply-To: msottilaro@ppi2pass.com Organization: PPI X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jonathan El-Bizri , "Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Subject: Re: bizarre pedals was Re: Regeneration with Boomerang References: <200004041813.OAA04080@pop03.globecomm.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"UFbjU2.0.Gc4.Xzawu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13258 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Ha that sounds exactally like me (no stick though) I'm thinking about a VW Golf... or maybe just staying home and having people come to me! Where do you do your looping? Jonathan El-Bizri wrote: > No ring modulation, but it does do reverse delay, and a very usable one. My > main 'clean lead' tone is a reverse delay; it's very natural sounding. It > also does a kind of pitch shifted reverse delay, sort of slowed down, but I > haven't played with that too much. It also does a pedal controlled phaser I > haven't played with. I've got some cool ring modulation/resonance like > patches by stacking high feedback phasers. > > Taking to gigs! ROFL. I play chapman stick ( www.stick.com ) which has a > bass and melody side, and trigger samples and loops on an SP-808. I have 2 > 2120s and an SP-808 in a mini gig rig. I'm adding a vortex, BBE, crossover > and echoplex when I can find the time (and an echoplex :> I also lug around > stereo combo speakers. > > I just went car shopping with the main prerequisite that I could fit all my > crap in one load. They dealers pretended not to be surprised when I showed > up with all my gear in tow, and started stuffing it in their shiny metal > boxes. > > The upgrade to 2120 is pretty cheap I believe. I'd totally recommend it - > you'll be able to use twice as many effect units at once. > > Could you post this thread to the list? I'm having posting problems again. > > bIz > > ---------- > >From: Mark Sottilaro > >To: Jonathan El-Bizri > >Subject: Re: bizarre pedals was Re: Regeneration with Boomerang > >Date: Tue, Apr 4, 2000, 10:41 AM > > > > > Hey Jonathan, > > > > Thanks for the tip. I've got a 2112 which I'm pretty happy with, but it's YET > > ANOTHER THING TO DRAG AROUND TO GIGS. Does the new software (granted I'm sure > > I'd have to do the 2112 to 2120 upgrade too) do all the ring modulation? > > Backwards delay? (my favorite) If so, maybe it's time to upgrade my 2112 and > > sell my Spacestation. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Mark > > > > Jonathan El-Bizri wrote: > > > >> Check out the Digitech 2120, with the latest software ( 2.10, I think) you > >> will probably need to call digitech to get the rom chip - it cost nothing, > >> but it won't be in stores for a while, if ever. > >> > >> Fully programmable, and it does everything the space station does. Of > >> course, it's about 3 times the price. > >> > >> The new software adds reverse, 'slow-gear' style sounds, a leslie, and a 5 > >> sec looper functions, to the whammy, 10 second delays, intelligent > >> harmonizer and usual sounds effect box stuff. You can get some >really, > >> really< sick sounds out of it. > >> > >> One of my favourite tricks is overloading phasers and flangers until the > >> digitally distort, and mix this, delayed and chorused, with a more > >> intelligible lead sound. > >> > >> My only niggle is that all delay times are set in hundredths of a second, > >> instead of beats per minute. This makes synchronizing to a sampler > >> impossible except at certain specific tempos. (60, 75, 100, 120, 125, 150, > >> 160 - you get the idea) Damn, I need that echoplex! > >> > >> bIz > >> ---------- > >> >From: Mark Sottilaro > >> >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > >> >Subject: Re: Regeneration with Boomerang > >> >Date: Mon, Apr 3, 2000, 3:47 PM > >> > > >> > >> > Hey, > >> > > >> > It's not a fuzz box, but one of the most bizzare pedals I've encountered is > >> > the Digitech > >> > Spacestation. Frankly, unless you hit the bypass, you can't get a normal > >> > sound out of it. > >> > On the down side, although there's an expression pedal built in, you can't > >> > make up your own > >> > presets. On the plus side, it comes with 40 wacky presets that are loads > >> > of fun. When put > >> > in front or in back of other effects, loads of fun can happen. > >> > > >> > What sleepy mountain college town are you from? > >> > > >> > > >> > -- > >> > Mark Sottilaro > >> > Professional Publications, Inc > >> > 1250 Fifth Ave, Belmont CA 94002 > >> > Multimedia Production > >> > E-mail: msottilaro@ppi2pass.com > >> > > >> > > > > > -- > > Mark Sottilaro > > Professional Publications, Inc > > 1250 Fifth Ave, Belmont CA 94002 > > Multimedia Production > > E-mail: msottilaro@ppi2pass.com > > > > -- Mark Sottilaro Professional Publications, Inc 1250 Fifth Ave, Belmont CA 94002 Multimedia Production E-mail: msottilaro@ppi2pass.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Apr 4 16:30:19 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA21840; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 16:30:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 16:30:19 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38EA4CD8.E887F447@cstone.net> Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 16:13:13 -0400 From: lotusart@cstone.net (John Hunter) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Regeneration with Boomerang References: <62.2299bea.261ac120@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"lNgKg3.0.fC4.vvawu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13257 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Will do pardner.. John Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 4/3/00 6:00:49 PM Mid-Atlantic Daylight Time, > lotusart@cstone.net writes: > > << Earliest I could send you something would be end of > April. >> > > john........count me in.........would love to give a listen..........michael From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Apr 4 18:40:59 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA28267; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 18:40:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 18:40:59 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000404183630.007b5d70@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: taghairm@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 18:36:30 -0400 To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com, emile@foryourhead.com From: peter koniuto Subject: emile@foryourhead.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"zEGuo3.0.Qr6.ewcwu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13260 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Emile: The Boomerang was what Ross Hamlin was using during the last Boston Loopers Collective show at the Middle East. I know he was using it during his vocal performance--not sure about later, when he picked up the guitar. I know he said he uses it with his guitar though. Anyway, just so's ya know, you've heard it live! Best, peter koniuto _____________________________________ _____________________________________ From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Is there a web site with the feature set of the Boomerang -- I spend more time doing video than music and hadn't heard about this one yet. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Apr 4 18:27:22 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA25692; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 18:27:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 18:27:22 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <200004042153.RAA14498@pop05.iname.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 15:54:42 -0700 Subject: SOT Loopy transportation, and Location was Re: bizarre pedals was Re: Regeneration with Boomerang From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"1vFwt3.0.474.LIcwu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13259 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > Ha that sounds exactally like me (no stick though) I'm thinking about a VW Golf... > or maybe just staying home and having people come to me! Where do you do your > looping? Silicon valley. My room is too full of gear to have people come to me though :> I'm getting a Subaru Impreza Outback. The SKB mini rig fits snugly in the front seat and when you drop the rear seats, they're masses of space. I could probably fit all my gear in the back, and not use the front seat, though I haven't tried. >Remember? I don't drink! Let's make an SF bay area looper get-together >instead! I am so up for this, I almost tried to put together a party myself a while ago, but, pressed for time, I never got it together. Besides, my place is rather small. I wanted to invite the people on the main lists I am subscribed to - Looper's Delight, Taptalk/Stickwire ( http://www.stick.com players), the Korg Trinity mailing list, and perhaps the Emagic Logic Audio users group, and see what happened. Does anyone have a large warehouse with tons of parking, a loading dock and a clean, industrial strength power supply they aren't using? :> bIz PS Mark S. I re-subscribed and can post again, as you have noticed. Now to solve the 'two of every message' problem. ---------- >From: Mark Sottilaro >To: Jonathan El-Bizri , "Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" >Subject: Re: bizarre pedals was Re: Regeneration with Boomerang >Date: Tue, Apr 4, 2000, 1:23 PM > > Ha that sounds exactally like me (no stick though) I'm thinking about a VW Golf... > or maybe just staying home and having people come to me! Where do you do your > looping? > > Jonathan El-Bizri wrote: > >> No ring modulation, but it does do reverse delay, and a very usable one. My >> main 'clean lead' tone is a reverse delay; it's very natural sounding. It >> also does a kind of pitch shifted reverse delay, sort of slowed down, but I >> haven't played with that too much. It also does a pedal controlled phaser I >> haven't played with. I've got some cool ring modulation/resonance like >> patches by stacking high feedback phasers. >> >> Taking to gigs! ROFL. I play chapman stick ( www.stick.com ) which has a >> bass and melody side, and trigger samples and loops on an SP-808. I have 2 >> 2120s and an SP-808 in a mini gig rig. I'm adding a vortex, BBE, crossover >> and echoplex when I can find the time (and an echoplex :> I also lug around >> stereo combo speakers. >> >> I just went car shopping with the main prerequisite that I could fit all my >> crap in one load. They dealers pretended not to be surprised when I showed >> up with all my gear in tow, and started stuffing it in their shiny metal >> boxes. >> >> The upgrade to 2120 is pretty cheap I believe. I'd totally recommend it - >> you'll be able to use twice as many effect units at once. >> >> Could you post this thread to the list? I'm having posting problems again. >> >> bIz >> >> ---------- >> >From: Mark Sottilaro >> >To: Jonathan El-Bizri >> >Subject: Re: bizarre pedals was Re: Regeneration with Boomerang >> >Date: Tue, Apr 4, 2000, 10:41 AM >> > >> >> > Hey Jonathan, >> > >> > Thanks for the tip. I've got a 2112 which I'm pretty happy with, but it's YET >> > ANOTHER THING TO DRAG AROUND TO GIGS. Does the new software (granted I'm sure >> > I'd have to do the 2112 to 2120 upgrade too) do all the ring modulation? >> > Backwards delay? (my favorite) If so, maybe it's time to upgrade my 2112 and >> > sell my Spacestation. >> > >> > Thanks, >> > >> > Mark >> > >> > Jonathan El-Bizri wrote: >> > >> >> Check out the Digitech 2120, with the latest software ( 2.10, I think) you >> >> will probably need to call digitech to get the rom chip - it cost nothing, >> >> but it won't be in stores for a while, if ever. >> >> >> >> Fully programmable, and it does everything the space station does. Of >> >> course, it's about 3 times the price. >> >> >> >> The new software adds reverse, 'slow-gear' style sounds, a leslie, and a 5 >> >> sec looper functions, to the whammy, 10 second delays, intelligent >> >> harmonizer and usual sounds effect box stuff. You can get some >really, >> >> really< sick sounds out of it. >> >> >> >> One of my favourite tricks is overloading phasers and flangers until the >> >> digitally distort, and mix this, delayed and chorused, with a more >> >> intelligible lead sound. >> >> >> >> My only niggle is that all delay times are set in hundredths of a second, >> >> instead of beats per minute. This makes synchronizing to a sampler >> >> impossible except at certain specific tempos. (60, 75, 100, 120, 125, 150, >> >> 160 - you get the idea) Damn, I need that echoplex! >> >> >> >> bIz >> >> ---------- >> >> >From: Mark Sottilaro >> >> >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >> >> >Subject: Re: Regeneration with Boomerang >> >> >Date: Mon, Apr 3, 2000, 3:47 PM >> >> > >> >> >> >> > Hey, >> >> > >> >> > It's not a fuzz box, but one of the most bizzare pedals I've encountered is >> >> > the Digitech >> >> > Spacestation. Frankly, unless you hit the bypass, you can't get a normal >> >> > sound out of it. >> >> > On the down side, although there's an expression pedal built in, you can't >> >> > make up your own >> >> > presets. On the plus side, it comes with 40 wacky presets that are loads >> >> > of fun. When put >> >> > in front or in back of other effects, loads of fun can happen. >> >> > >> >> > What sleepy mountain college town are you from? >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > -- >> >> > Mark Sottilaro >> >> > Professional Publications, Inc >> >> > 1250 Fifth Ave, Belmont CA 94002 >> >> > Multimedia Production >> >> > E-mail: msottilaro@ppi2pass.com >> >> > >> >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Mark Sottilaro >> > Professional Publications, Inc >> > 1250 Fifth Ave, Belmont CA 94002 >> > Multimedia Production >> > E-mail: msottilaro@ppi2pass.com >> > >> > > > -- > Mark Sottilaro > Professional Publications, Inc > 1250 Fifth Ave, Belmont CA 94002 > Multimedia Production > E-mail: msottilaro@ppi2pass.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Apr 4 19:06:02 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA01438; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 19:06:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 19:06:02 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 15:35:26 -0700 From: "Mike Biffle" To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com, jonathan@full-moon.com Subject: SOT Loopy transportation, and Location was Re: bizarre pedals wasRe: Regeneration with Boomerang Resent-Message-ID: <"Q9ASg.0.2P7.-4dwu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13261 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >>> Remember? I don't drink! Let's make an SF bay area looper get-together instead! >> I am so up for this, I almost tried to put together a party myself a while ago, but, pressed for time, I never got it together. Besides, my place is rather small. > I wanted to invite the people on the main lists I am subscribed to - Looper's Delight, Taptalk/Stickwire ( http://www.stick.com players), the Korg Trinity mailing list, and perhaps the Emagic Logic Audio users group, and see what happened. Does anyone have a large warehouse with tons of parking, a loading dock and a clean, industrial strength power supply they aren't using? :> bIz I could rent rehearsal space here in Santa Cruz some evening for a free-for-all jam / party. It's not very swanky, but I believe it's electrically sound and big enough for 6-10 of us in a circle format... We'd HAVE to record it... -Miko From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Apr 4 20:21:23 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA17904; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 20:21:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 20:21:23 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Jhsidlo@aol.com Message-ID: <24.3398f3a.261bd883@aol.com> Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 19:45:07 EDT Subject: Nels Cline "Interstellar Space Revisited" CD To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Mac - Post-GM sub 65 Resent-Message-ID: <"FDYVE2.0.ba2.Xxdwu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13262 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I just got this today. All I can say is...WOW!!!! James From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Apr 4 21:41:52 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA04535; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 21:41:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 21:41:52 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <000e01bf9f68$e55a9fc0$53af5cd1@-> From: "Bill Fox" To: Subject: EMUSIC Playlist Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 21:38:45 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"P538.0.2g.UXfwu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13263 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com [Best viewed with a fixed spacing font.] EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ. Show #158 March 30, 2000. On this show, I concluded the month-long focus on the seventh annual Alfa Centauri music festival in Huizen, The Netherlands. The Feature CD at Midnight was Kontinuum by Mind-Flux on the IC/Digit Music label. ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== 11:04 pm Wendy Carlos Sheep May Safely Graze S-O Boxed Set Highlights ++ (East Side Digital) VA [Patrick Kosmos] Birthway Gift (Invisible Shadows) Ian Boddy & Chris Carter Coriolis Caged (DiN) Centrozoon Sense Blast (DiN) Steve Roach Hope Midnight Moon (Projekt) ++ Rudy Adrian Towards the White Mountains Twilight (none) Cosmic Hoffman Wanderers of Time Beyond the Galaxy (Heart and Mind) 12:00 am Mind-Flux Kontinuum Kontinuum (IC/Digit Music GmbH) Mind-Flux Solar Eclipse 99 Pt I Kontinuum (IC/Digit Music GmbH) Mind-Flux Solar Eclipse 99 Pt II Kontinuum (IC/Digit Music GmbH) Mind-Flux Time Invaders Kontinuum (IC/Digit Music GmbH) Mind-Flux Space Performer Kontinuum (IC/Digit Music GmbH) Mind-Flux Lunar Sunrise Kontinuum (IC/Digit Music GmbH) Mind-Flux Zero Gravity Kontinuum (IC/Digit Music GmbH) 1:00 am * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) ++ = This CD will be available as a thank you gift during the up coming WDIY Membership Drive only during EMUSIC on April 6, 2000. Also available, a variety of CDs from the AdAstra label. On the next EMUSIC, I'll begin a month-long focus on NEARfest 2000, the second annual North East Art Rock Festival in Bethlehem, Pennsylvania. The feature CD at midnight will be "Sideshow" by Iluvitar on the Kinesis label. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Apr 4 21:39:48 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA03991; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 21:39:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 21:39:48 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000404213803.007c18b0@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 21:38:03 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: SOT Loopy transportation, and Location was Re: bizarre pedals was Re: Regeneration with Boomerang In-Reply-To: <200004042153.RAA14498@pop05.iname.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"U8J4E3.0.Xr.IYfwu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13264 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 03:54 PM 4/4/00 -0700, you wrote: >>...bay area looper get-together >>instead! >... Does anyone have a large warehouse with tons of >parking, a loading dock and a clean, industrial strength power supply they >aren't using? :> With nice weather on the way, that sounds like a great idea, although we're so spread out, we should try for several regional get-togethers! (Bay area, Northeast, Midwest, Euroloopers, etc.) If anyone does succeed in arranging something like that, please be sure to record the proceedings, as I'm sure many of the rest of us would love to hear it! Tim From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 5 01:51:25 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA00420; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 01:51:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 01:51:25 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 22:32:11 -0700 From: Kim Flint Subject: Dialing for Echoplexes To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"7vpBx3.0.u67.j1jwu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13265 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com OK folks, set your speed dialer to kill. Due to the wonders of dealer distribution, there are actually a few Echoplexes landing at dealers that are not already backordered. Good luck! >From: Gil Pini >To: kflint@annihilist.com >Subject: edp >Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 13:48:51 -0500 >MIME-Version: 1.0 > >If you have a couple of close friends who deserve first shot at an >EDP...have them call Michael at LA Music Services at 805-493-1931 >immediately and arrange a downpayment. I talked Michael into taking 6 and he >was concerned about customers. >(He has no idea) The first shipment should be here today and does not come >close to covering backorders. > >Gil Pini >Trace Elliot America >Sales/Service Representative >1-800-5gibson ext 217 >gpini@gibson.com > > ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 5 02:09:34 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA04512; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 02:09:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 02:09:34 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 23:02:46 -0700 From: Kim Flint Subject: RE: Kim! Get me off this crazy list! In-reply-to: <20000404181411.73661.qmail@hotmail.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"k7kF03.0.e21.DWjwu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13266 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 11:14 AM -0700 4/4/00, Michael LaMeyer wrote: >Or perhaps more practical, a redirect for any message with the words >'unsubscribe' or 'get me off this list!' in the subject or body. The list server software already does this, with far more permutations. It works 99% of the time, but some people still find ways to get around it and successfully post the unsub message to the list..... we can only hope they are not breeding. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 5 02:29:13 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA09444; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 02:29:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 02:29:13 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 23:05:02 -0700 From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: beer In-reply-to: <20000404192452.81666.qmail@hotmail.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"nkjQ_2.0.JN1.9cjwu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13267 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 12:24 PM -0700 4/4/00, matt davignon wrote: >Remember? I don't drink! Let's make an SF bay area looper get-together >instead! > I do, and I'd be happy to cover your share of the beer. So is this party happening or what? kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 5 03:23:02 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA21808; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 03:23:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 03:23:02 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: stanitarium@earthlink.net Message-Id: <200004050706.AAA19668@gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 00:05:37 -0800 Subject: Re: beer To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"pbPpp1.0.gP4.dNkwu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13268 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com When and where-I am there...STANNER ---------- >From: "matt davignon" >To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com >Subject: Re: beer >Date: Tue, Apr 4, 2000, 11:24 AM > > Remember? I don't drink! Let's make an SF bay area looper get-together > instead! > > >>From: "Javier Miranda V." > >>Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 19:48:08 -0700 >> >>Hot damn! These are the magical posts why I love the LD. Keep it up, >>Matt. >>Hey, when's that beer? >> >> | -----Original Message----- >> | From: matt davignon [mailto:mattdavignon@hotmail.com] >> | Sent: Monday 03 April 2000 1:09 PM >> | To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com >> | Subject: Getting off the mailing list >> | >> | >> | I was raised in a barn, and I remember the days when my dear >> | old mom would >> | set a trap to get rid of the flies during the summer. She set >> | up a glass jar >> | with a funny shaped lid. The idea was that the flies would go >> | in after the >> | bait and have no idea how to get out. It was a fairly simple >> | exit, but way >> | to complex for fly standards. >> | >> | Here's the kicker - the top of the lid had a diagram of how to >> | get out. The >> | flies would be so excited about getting inside the jar that they never >> | stopped to look at the diagram of how to get out. >> | >> | You know, that's funny, because in Loopers Delight, you have to >> | pass by the >> | "unsubscribe" instructions in order to subscribe. I guess this >> | ramble is on >> | topic after all! These very simple instructions are also found at this >> | section of the LD site. >> | >> | http://annihilist.com/loop/list/LoopList.html >> | >> | Matt >> >> >>__________________________________________________ >>Do You Yahoo!? >>Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. >>http://im.yahoo.com >> > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 5 06:17:52 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA26190; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 06:17:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 06:17:52 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: PJBMHB@aol.com Message-ID: <1e.37b079b.261c6286@aol.com> Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 05:33:58 EDT Subject: Re: Nels Cline "Interstellar Space Revisited" CD To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 100 Resent-Message-ID: <"3Jm9y3.0.cC4.fYmwu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13269 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com i like this cd too. nels is great. love his playing and his loops. =-) PJ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 5 07:55:45 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA15086; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 07:55:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 07:55:45 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 07:38:13 EDT Subject: Re: OT: Octave To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 32 Resent-Message-ID: <"RJYZS2.0.vi2.kMowu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13270 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 04/04/00 06:08:57 GMT Daylight Time, clifsound@mediaone.net writes: > I am interested in obtaining an octave pedal and would like any input as to > what you all think is good out there- Preferably smooth, more than 1 octave > down, less than $200- - - I checked out the brown Boss model and really was > not impressed- maybe z-vex or other boutique? > Hi Cliff Those old octave pedals, if that's what you want then of course there's no substitute.( ie a synthesised note an octave (rarely 2) below the ONE note you put in). A friend of mine used to have an original Electro Harmonix unit. In it's day it could be quite impressive, but chords would confuse it (unless the lowest note was played much louder than the rest) and tracking was always a bit hit and miss. but there's a lot of cheap multi FX out there with pitch functions which will give you an octave or two down no trouble .....and no tracking problems either. what about a Zoom 2100 for instance.(loops too!) Andy Butler Lexicon Vortex Database http://members.aol.com/soundfnr/vortex.htm From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 5 09:24:56 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA02737; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 09:24:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 09:24:56 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000405130538.18662.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [165.227.137.254] From: "David Potter" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: beer Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 06:05:38 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"Ki407.0.Ug7.4fpwu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13271 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I don't drink or use either...Om and Out I'll bring the tea >From: "matt davignon" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com >Subject: Re: beer >Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 12:24:52 PDT > >Remember? I don't drink! Let's make an SF bay area looper get-together >instead! > > >>From: "Javier Miranda V." > >>Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 19:48:08 -0700 >> >>Hot damn! These are the magical posts why I love the LD. Keep it up, >>Matt. >>Hey, when's that beer? >> >> | -----Original Message----- >> | From: matt davignon [mailto:mattdavignon@hotmail.com] >> | Sent: Monday 03 April 2000 1:09 PM >> | To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com >> | Subject: Getting off the mailing list >> | >> | >> | I was raised in a barn, and I remember the days when my dear >> | old mom would >> | set a trap to get rid of the flies during the summer. She set >> | up a glass jar >> | with a funny shaped lid. The idea was that the flies would go >> | in after the >> | bait and have no idea how to get out. It was a fairly simple >> | exit, but way >> | to complex for fly standards. >> | >> | Here's the kicker - the top of the lid had a diagram of how to >> | get out. The >> | flies would be so excited about getting inside the jar that they >>never >> | stopped to look at the diagram of how to get out. >> | >> | You know, that's funny, because in Loopers Delight, you have to >> | pass by the >> | "unsubscribe" instructions in order to subscribe. I guess this >> | ramble is on >> | topic after all! These very simple instructions are also found at >>this >> | section of the LD site. >> | >> | http://annihilist.com/loop/list/LoopList.html >> | >> | Matt >> >> >>__________________________________________________ >>Do You Yahoo!? >>Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. >>http://im.yahoo.com >> > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 5 13:47:47 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA09742; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 13:47:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 13:47:47 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38EB7A7A.E25B9F1A@ppi2pass.com> Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 10:40:10 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro Reply-To: msottilaro@ppi2pass.com Organization: PPI X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: beer Envite.com? References: <200004050706.AAA19668@gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"_3qgs1.0.hE2.egtwu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13272 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hey, A friend of mine uses this web page (it's something like envite.com, but it's not that and I can't find the page) and it's a pretty good way to coordinate a group of people to some sort of part or event. Perhaps the Bay Area Loopers Contingent should use something like this to get together? Anyway, whatever we do, count me in! -- Mark Sottilaro Professional Publications, Inc 1250 Fifth Ave, Belmont CA 94002 Multimedia Production E-mail: msottilaro@ppi2pass.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 5 15:46:35 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA21515; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 15:46:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 15:46:35 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000405194016.9811.qmail@web125.yahoomail.com> Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 12:40:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Bret Subject: Re: the plex To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"JbiUj3.0.L75.jQvwu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13273 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com FYI re the re-issue tube,tape echoplex: --- pedalman wrote: > Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 13:37:01 -0400 > From: pedalman > To: Bret > Subject: Re: the plex > > hi Bret, > > Thank you for your inquiry, > > OUR PRICE on new tube echoplexes is $750 (OVER 30% > OFF $1095 suggested > retail price), each unit comes with one new Tape > Cartridge. Additional > Tape Cartridges are available for $35 ea., an > Optional footswitch to > remotely control The Plex is also available for $33. > > We have had tremendous response all over the world, > and they are selling > quickly (first batch has been already sold out, > second batch is nearly > sold out already...) > let us know if you wish to purchase one, > and we'll email you right back with all the ordering > info > > -- > If there is any other effect pedal You're looking > for/ anything else we > can help you with, don't hesitate to email! > > > > ********************************************** > PEDALMAN at ANATOMY GUITARS ****************** > WEBSITE = http://www.pedalman.com ***************** > EMAIL = pedalman@pedalman.com ******************* > PHONE = (212) 802-7279 ************************** > *************************************************** > THE Source for all the Rare, Vintage, and New ***** > EFFECTS of your dreams. Over 4000 Happy PEDALMAN ** > Customers Served since 1989 *********************** > we BUY- SELL -TRADE ******************************* > WE SHIP WORLDWIDE EUROPE JAPAN AUSTRALIA ********** > *************************************************** > > > Bret wrote: > > > > Per your instructions, I am emailing to ask what > your > > selling price is for the plex. > > thanks, > > bret > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. > > http://im.yahoo.com > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 5 17:24:25 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA31542; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 17:24:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 17:24:25 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: Subject: RE: MP3>AIFF Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 14:15:26 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <38EBA991.6F671E58@inreach.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Resent-Message-ID: <"a2qUt.0.GR7.powwu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13275 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Yes. If you intend to do any processing on the sounds at all, it will show quickly. bIz -----Original Message----- From: eric [mailto:eobertha@inreach.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2000 2:01 PM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: MP3>AIFF Hey - a question: Do you lose sound quality going back and forth between mp3 and AIFF's? thanks. eobe Morgan Hamilton Lang wrote: > Don't know about PC, but on the Mac you would want to use BladeEnc and > Mpecker. These will get you from aiff to MP3 and back again. Go to > http://www.benforpresident.org/~kdegraaf/mp3.html for a listing of > decent Mac free/share ware for doing things with MP3s. > > MHL From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 5 17:08:39 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA30080; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 17:08:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 17:08:39 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38EBA991.6F671E58@inreach.com> Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 14:01:04 -0700 From: eric X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: MP3>AIFF References: <38E10D3A.C992610A@columbia.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"VKCHk2.0.9B7.Mcwwu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13274 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hey - a question: Do you lose sound quality going back and forth between mp3 and AIFF's? thanks. eobe Morgan Hamilton Lang wrote: > Don't know about PC, but on the Mac you would want to use BladeEnc and > Mpecker. These will get you from aiff to MP3 and back again. Go to > http://www.benforpresident.org/~kdegraaf/mp3.html for a listing of > decent Mac free/share ware for doing things with MP3s. > > MHL From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 5 17:43:58 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA01115; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 17:43:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 17:43:58 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: PJBMHB@aol.com Message-ID: <68.25b0e1a.261d0c28@aol.com> Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 17:37:44 EDT Subject: Greg Bendian's Interzone: Myriad ( cool cd alert) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 100 Resent-Message-ID: <"lCv053.0.e-7.L9xwu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13277 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com very cool stuff with greg on mallets, nels cline on gtr and sometimes loops, alex cline on drums and steuart liebig on bass. good job steuart . you and alex are an awesome rhythm section. this cd has a great cover of the mahavishnu orchestra tune, sanctuary. and fuzz vibes on one song. what more could you ask for in a cd? =-) PJ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 5 17:49:31 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA01508; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 17:49:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 17:49:31 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38EBAF6B.91B9A923@inreach.com> Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 14:26:03 -0700 From: eric X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: MP3>AIFF References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"CHH0d3.0.Xl7.mzwwu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13276 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com thanks! then do you know of any app that let's you edit mp3 directly so to avoid the conversions? eobe Jonathan El-Bizri wrote: > Yes. If you intend to do any processing on the sounds at all, it will show > quickly. > bIz > > -----Original Message----- > From: eric [mailto:eobertha@inreach.com] > Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2000 2:01 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Subject: Re: MP3>AIFF > > Hey - a question: > Do you lose sound quality going back and forth between mp3 and AIFF's? > thanks. > eobe > > Morgan Hamilton Lang wrote: > > > Don't know about PC, but on the Mac you would want to use BladeEnc and > > Mpecker. These will get you from aiff to MP3 and back again. Go to > > http://www.benforpresident.org/~kdegraaf/mp3.html for a listing of > > decent Mac free/share ware for doing things with MP3s. > > > > MHL From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 5 18:04:15 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA03047; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 18:04:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 18:04:15 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: Subject: RE: MP3>AIFF Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 14:59:56 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <38EBAF6B.91B9A923@inreach.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Resent-Message-ID: <"Ex7Ru1.0.lW.VSxwu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13278 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com What kind of editing? bIz -----Original Message----- From: eric [mailto:eobertha@inreach.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2000 2:26 PM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: MP3>AIFF thanks! then do you know of any app that let's you edit mp3 directly so to avoid the conversions? eobe Jonathan El-Bizri wrote: > Yes. If you intend to do any processing on the sounds at all, it will show > quickly. > bIz > > -----Original Message----- > From: eric [mailto:eobertha@inreach.com] > Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2000 2:01 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Subject: Re: MP3>AIFF > > Hey - a question: > Do you lose sound quality going back and forth between mp3 and AIFF's? > thanks. > eobe > > Morgan Hamilton Lang wrote: > > > Don't know about PC, but on the Mac you would want to use BladeEnc and > > Mpecker. These will get you from aiff to MP3 and back again. Go to > > http://www.benforpresident.org/~kdegraaf/mp3.html for a listing of > > decent Mac free/share ware for doing things with MP3s. > > > > MHL From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 5 19:20:38 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA09875; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 19:20:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 19:20:38 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f MIME-Version: 1.0 Reply-To: graham@pentlandcrown.com Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="webexpress-2.1.3-07aa90" Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 00:14:58 +0000 From: "Graham Pattison " Message-Id: <954976498.webexpressdV2.1.3@mail.u.genie.co.uk> To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: Unsubscribe Resent-Message-ID: <"eGZmT2.0.0I2.Laywu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13282 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com --webexpress-2.1.3-07aa90 Content-Type: text/plain Unsubscribe ; name="" Content-Transfer-Encoding: BASE64 LS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLTMxMzA3MjIzMTIyNjkz --webexpress-2.1.3-07aa90-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 5 19:18:32 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA09691; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 19:18:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 19:18:32 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38EBC357.8673D2C6@inreach.com> Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 15:51:04 -0700 From: eric X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: MP3>AIFF References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Up0zk1.0.Em1.1Eywu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13281 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com really just trimming for starters, fading and normalizing would be nice too... eobe Jonathan El-Bizri wrote: > What kind of editing? > > bIz > > -----Original Message----- > From: eric [mailto:eobertha@inreach.com] > Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2000 2:26 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Subject: Re: MP3>AIFF > > thanks! then do you know of any app that let's you edit mp3 directly so to > avoid the conversions? > eobe > > Jonathan El-Bizri wrote: > > > Yes. If you intend to do any processing on the sounds at all, it will show > > quickly. > > bIz > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: eric [mailto:eobertha@inreach.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2000 2:01 PM > > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > > Subject: Re: MP3>AIFF > > > > Hey - a question: > > Do you lose sound quality going back and forth between mp3 and AIFF's? > > thanks. > > eobe > > > > Morgan Hamilton Lang wrote: > > > > > Don't know about PC, but on the Mac you would want to use BladeEnc and > > > Mpecker. These will get you from aiff to MP3 and back again. Go to > > > http://www.benforpresident.org/~kdegraaf/mp3.html for a listing of > > > decent Mac free/share ware for doing things with MP3s. > > > > > > MHL From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 5 19:17:48 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA09572; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 19:17:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 19:17:48 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38EBC1C6.285BCB1C@cstone.net> Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 18:44:24 -0400 From: lotusart@cstone.net (John Hunter) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: the plex References: <20000405194016.9811.qmail@web125.yahoomail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"oAYGr3.0.Il1.VDywu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13280 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Folks, please forgive my ignorance, but I've looked around and can't find any info on this tube component of the Echoplex. And the tape thing....? Is this the EDP we're talking about ? Mea Culpa, John Bret wrote: > FYI re the re-issue tube,tape echoplex: > > --- pedalman wrote: > > Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 13:37:01 -0400 > > From: pedalman > > To: Bret > > Subject: Re: the plex > > > > hi Bret, > > > > Thank you for your inquiry, > > > > OUR PRICE on new tube echoplexes is $750 (OVER 30% > > OFF $1095 suggested > > retail price), each unit comes with one new Tape > > Cartridge. Additional > > Tape Cartridges are available for $35 ea., an > > Optional footswitch to > > remotely control The Plex is also available for $33. > > > > We have had tremendous response all over the world, > > and they are selling > > quickly (first batch has been already sold out, > > second batch is nearly > > sold out already...) > > let us know if you wish to purchase one, > > and we'll email you right back with all the ordering > > info > > > > -- > > If there is any other effect pedal You're looking > > for/ anything else we > > can help you with, don't hesitate to email! > > > > > > > > ********************************************** > > PEDALMAN at ANATOMY GUITARS ****************** > > WEBSITE = http://www.pedalman.com ***************** > > EMAIL = pedalman@pedalman.com ******************* > > PHONE = (212) 802-7279 ************************** > > *************************************************** > > THE Source for all the Rare, Vintage, and New ***** > > EFFECTS of your dreams. Over 4000 Happy PEDALMAN ** > > Customers Served since 1989 *********************** > > we BUY- SELL -TRADE ******************************* > > WE SHIP WORLDWIDE EUROPE JAPAN AUSTRALIA ********** > > *************************************************** > > > > > > Bret wrote: > > > > > > Per your instructions, I am emailing to ask what > > your > > > selling price is for the plex. > > > thanks, > > > bret > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. > > > http://im.yahoo.com > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 5 19:21:18 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA09932; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 19:21:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 19:21:18 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Apparently-From: Reply-To: From: "Javier Miranda V." To: Subject: RE: Kim! Get me off this crazy list! Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 23:58:20 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 In-reply-to: <20000404181411.73661.qmail@hotmail.com> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <"Nuo0f1.0.Jk1.dCywu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13279 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com How about if all people subscribed to the list with the capability to add filters and automatics to their e-mail program did just such a thing. The next time somebody has "unsubscribe" in the subject line, they'll get hit with 60 e-mails describing how to unsubscribe. I think that would be a very good way to take advantage of the power of e-mail. I'll do mine now. | -----Original Message----- | From: Michael LaMeyer [mailto:mlameyer@hotmail.com] | Sent: Tuesday 04 April 2000 11:14 AM | To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com | Subject: RE: Kim! Get me off this crazy list! | | | How about putting the unsubscribe instructions in 24pt font | right at the top | of the message with pictures of naked people? People might | remember that. | | Or perhaps more practical, a redirect for any message with the words | 'unsubscribe' or 'get me off this list!' in the subject or body. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 5 21:30:41 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA21971; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 21:30:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 21:30:41 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38EB9074.C2B771D0@texas.net> Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 20:13:58 +0100 From: Bobdog/Doghouse Audio Laboratory Reply-To: psbuddha@texas.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Greg Bendian's Interzone: Myriad ( cool cd alert) References: <68.25b0e1a.261d0c28@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"OW901.0.Wv4.FI-wu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13284 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com where do we get it? > what more > could you ask for? > =-) PJ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 5 21:05:57 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA19541; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 21:05:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 21:05:57 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <005e01bf9f63$9de6f1c0$a4c918d0@ispchannel.com> From: "Timothy" To: References: <38EBAF6B.91B9A923@inreach.com> Subject: Re: MP3>AIFF Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 20:00:59 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"Ufvi23.0.4g4.a6-wu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13283 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Eric, The problem isn't with the conversion, it's with decoding and re-encoding of lossy-compression sound formats like MP3. By lossy compression I mean that the encoding algorithm throws away *a lot* of the original sound data when it compresses a file. When it comes time to decode the file (for example, when playing it back) the decoder attempts to guess what the lost data is supposed to be. So decoding an MP3 file (and you have to decode it to play or edit the wave data), and then re-encoding it to another compressed format - even MP3 - is going to result in more loss, because the encoder has to throw more sound data away, forcing the decoder to guess again what lost sound was when it decompresses it. If an MP3 file is all you have to work with (you don't have the uncompressed original?) your best bet is probably to decompress it, work with the decompressed file until you have absolutely no more changes to make, then as a last step re-encode it back to MP3. It will still result in loss. But you should never decode/re-encode or convert back and forth to and from lossy formats like MP3 or RealAudio. Formats like that are really intended for final production. hope this helps, Tim ----- Original Message ----- From: "eric" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2000 4:26 PM Subject: Re: MP3>AIFF > thanks! then do you know of any app that let's you edit mp3 directly so to > avoid the conversions? > eobe > > Jonathan El-Bizri wrote: From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 5 22:09:25 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA25628; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 22:09:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 22:09:25 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <002201bf9f6b$f3c2a500$18974e0c@u73x0> From: "James Pokorny" To: Subject: Re: the plex Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 22:00:57 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"l7wFd2.0.Ns5.fv-wu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13285 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com No, the original tape-based Echoplex is an entirely different creature from the EDP. I believe the original Echoplex dates to the early 60's and featured an extremely long (approx. 2-3 minutes?) tape loop, with 2 tape heads (1 moveable to increase delay time). There were 2 standard modes: 1) sound on sound wherein you would record material onto the tape loop, then play over it, and 2) delay - where you could set the delay time by means of the moveable tape head. This delay time was probably about 2 seconds maximum, but could be drastically tweaked by spooling the tape around a mike-stand, chair-leg, etc. placed far away from the unit. A good tool for the time, but nowhere near the capabilities of the EDP. I've used both the tape echoplex and the EDP, and if the asking price for the tape echoplex is US $750.00, I would definitely recommend saving the money towards the much more versatile EPD. I'm sure all other users will agree. James Pokorny -----Original Message----- From: John Hunter To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Wednesday, April 05, 2000 8:30 PM Subject: Re: the plex >Folks, please forgive my ignorance, but I've looked around and can't >find any info on this tube component of the Echoplex. And the tape >thing....? Is this the EDP we're talking about ? > >Mea Culpa, From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 5 23:25:14 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA00669; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 23:25:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 23:25:14 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000406031055.93259.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [63.195.54.82] From: "matt davignon" To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: beer Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 20:10:55 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"tGGxD.0.Er7.W10xu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13287 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com That definitely sounds appealing. Either way, I'll finally need to buy myself a PA or something with speakers. I wonder if someone on the list in the (SF) Bay Area has a public place where they would like to do it? Matt >From: "Javier Miranda V." > >Hot damn! You're right! OK, how do we engineer this thing? I've been >having the fantasy of getting some pool hall, book shop or café where >there's basically a stage or empty area to set up a sound system, >instruments, etc., and whoever gets there goes and plays-- we all take >turns. Otherwise, it'll have to be in somebody's backyard or garage. > > | -----Original Message----- > | From: matt davignon [mailto:mattdavignon@hotmail.com] > | > | > | Remember? I don't drink! Let's make an SF bay area looper get-together > | instead! > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 5 23:10:52 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA31815; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 23:10:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 23:10:52 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Jax1723@aol.com Message-ID: <7d.32ad5c0.261d58d0@aol.com> Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 23:04:48 EDT Subject: The Plex: quick review To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 70 Resent-Message-ID: <"zSOwW2.0.yc7.Tz_wu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13286 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com There's been some discussion of this unit over the past couple of days and I played around with one last night so here it goes: -It's the best sounding tape delay I've ever used. No ifs ans or buts. -It's tubes and extremely warm sounding. -Way quieter than any other I've used/owned. -Real controllable as far as overloading it/repeat length (it is analog though so I can see it being temperamental). -It's weighs less than older models (almost vibrated off the amp). -the one thing it's missing (compared to a solid state one that I use from time to time) is that there is no input lights and on/off light which is definitely lame. I used it through three different setups; a les paul through a hot-rodded (for johnny winter rumor has it) marshall; a fender bass through a giant ampeg rig; and a minimoog straight into a pa. All setups sounded great. I didn't notice much muddying of the sound which is a problem (among others) with my maestro "sirecho" and some roland space echoes I've used. My friend who got it and is letting me use it (what a pal) got it directly from whomever is making them (I think). Not sure off the price but I think somewhere in the 650-750 usd range. I'm rehearsing again with it monday so if anybody wants some more info I'll see what I can dig up. All this said it only probably does about a 50th of what the digital one can do (still... the sound is amazing). cheers jack ps beer is good. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 6 00:36:33 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA11164; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 00:36:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 00:36:33 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38EC1498.72CE7A9B@dmans.com> Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 23:37:44 -0500 From: "Mikell D.Nelson" Organization: Boomerang Musical Products X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: OT: Octave References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"6jGwg.0._Y2.cE1xu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13288 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi, I bought one of the Rocktron octave pedals; I think it was called the Purple Haze. It sounds great on paper: individual controls for 1 octave higher, 1 octave lower, output, and distortion or drive. However, it was noisy and very unpredictable. Didn't track well at all. On the positive side, I used to have a Lexicon LXP5, and the pitch shifter tracked as well as any I've heard, but this is probably a little more than $200. I bet you could find one on a net auction site for $200-$250. The best tracking I've ever experienced is my old Roland GR-50 guitar synth, and the tone is anything you want it to be: bass guitar an octave down, flute an octave up, etc. Now we're way over $200. SoundFNR@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 04/04/00 06:08:57 GMT Daylight Time, > clifsound@mediaone.net writes: > > > I am interested in obtaining an octave pedal and would like any input as to > > what you all think is good out there- Preferably smooth, more than 1 octave > > down, less than $200- - - I checked out the brown Boss model and really was > > not impressed- maybe z-vex or other boutique? > > > Hi Cliff > Those old octave pedals, if that's what you want then of course > there's no substitute.( ie a synthesised note an octave (rarely 2) > below the ONE note you put in). > A friend of mine used to have an original Electro Harmonix unit. > In it's day it could be quite impressive, but chords would > confuse it (unless the lowest note was played much louder than the rest) > and tracking was always a bit hit and miss. > > > but there's a lot of cheap multi FX out there with pitch > functions which will give you an octave or two down no trouble > .....and no tracking problems either. > what about a Zoom 2100 for instance.(loops too!) > > Andy Butler > Lexicon Vortex Database > http://members.aol.com/soundfnr/vortex.htm -- Mike Nelson Boomerang Musical Products 800-530-4699 PO Box 541595 214-340-6913, Outside USA Dallas, TX 75354-1595 214-343-1038, Fax http://www.boomerangmusic.com mnelson@dmans.com "Some products make you sound better; the Boomerang Phrase Sampler makes you play better." From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 6 01:30:16 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA16038; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 01:30:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 01:30:16 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000406050730.2687.qmail@web114.yahoomail.com> Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 22:07:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Bret Subject: Re: the plex To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"8zvlf.0.2R3.Mk1xu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13289 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com John, Yes, didn't you hear? In fact, after Kim found out about this product he redesigned this mailing list to run on a vacuum tubed, analog computer, recording this mailing list to a tape loop, played back via celestion speakers into an analog voice telephone (circuit tweeked for improved fidelity). There is some detail loss, and distortion added with each following response to a previous comment, but the tube regenerations are adding a warmer quality to the follow ups. As an additional benefit, the unsubscribe signals fade smoother and softer than before, with mostly even harmonics, becoming almost pleasant as they decay into what seems to be another sound altogether. Regarding the post, John, no it is not the EDP. It is a reissue of the vintage tube/tape echoplex. bret --- John Hunter wrote: > Folks, please forgive my ignorance, but I've looked > around and can't > find any info on this tube component of the > Echoplex. And the tape > thing....? Is this the EDP we're talking about ? > > Mea Culpa, > > John > > Bret wrote: > > > FYI re the re-issue tube,tape echoplex: > > > > --- pedalman wrote: > > > Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 13:37:01 -0400 > > > From: pedalman > > > To: Bret > > > Subject: Re: the plex > > > > > > hi Bret, > > > > > > Thank you for your inquiry, > > > > > > OUR PRICE on new tube echoplexes is $750 (OVER > 30% > > > OFF $1095 suggested > > > retail price), each unit comes with one new Tape > > > Cartridge. Additional > > > Tape Cartridges are available for $35 ea., an > > > Optional footswitch to > > > remotely control The Plex is also available for > $33. > > > > > > We have had tremendous response all over the > world, > > > and they are selling > > > quickly (first batch has been already sold out, > > > second batch is nearly > > > sold out already...) > > > let us know if you wish to purchase one, > > > and we'll email you right back with all the > ordering > > > info > > > > > > -- > > > If there is any other effect pedal You're > looking > > > for/ anything else we > > > can help you with, don't hesitate to email! > > > > > > > > > > > > ********************************************** > > > PEDALMAN at ANATOMY GUITARS ****************** > > > WEBSITE = http://www.pedalman.com > ***************** > > > EMAIL = pedalman@pedalman.com > ******************* > > > PHONE = (212) 802-7279 > ************************** > > > > *************************************************** > > > THE Source for all the Rare, Vintage, and New > ***** > > > EFFECTS of your dreams. Over 4000 Happy PEDALMAN > ** > > > Customers Served since 1989 > *********************** > > > we BUY- SELL -TRADE > ******************************* > > > WE SHIP WORLDWIDE EUROPE JAPAN AUSTRALIA > ********** > > > > *************************************************** > > > > > > > > > Bret wrote: > > > > > > > > Per your instructions, I am emailing to ask > what > > > your > > > > selling price is for the plex. > > > > thanks, > > > > bret > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > > Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! > Messenger. > > > > http://im.yahoo.com > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. > > http://im.yahoo.com > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 6 04:20:35 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA01087; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 04:20:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 04:20:35 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38EC476C.E5C8499C@inreach.com> Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 01:14:37 -0700 From: eric X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: MP3>AIFF References: <38EBAF6B.91B9A923@inreach.com> <005e01bf9f63$9de6f1c0$a4c918d0@ispchannel.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"OhvNb3.0.L7.oT4xu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13290 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Timothy wrote: > The problem isn't with the conversion, it's with decoding and re-encoding of > lossy-compression sound formats like MP3. Would it be possible then to do rudimentary editing native in the mp3 format - like trimming and volume fades? It must be! Surely! Could there already be a freeware app out there that does this... maybe? eobe From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 6 05:26:20 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA06406; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 05:26:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 05:26:20 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <000d01bf9fa9$e957d480$a4c918d0@ispchannel.com> From: "Timothy" To: References: <38EBAF6B.91B9A923@inreach.com> <005e01bf9f63$9de6f1c0$a4c918d0@ispchannel.com> <38EC476C.E5C8499C@inreach.com> Subject: Re: MP3>AIFF Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 04:24:29 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"lGLMh3.0.YV1.qT5xu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13291 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I don't think you can edit MP3 data without decoding it. There are plenty of shareware/freeware/cheapware apps that edit sound and that can read MP3 files but you'll run into the same problem - they decode the MP3 file to wave data when they load it into memory. And by the way, if this is off topic, please forgive me! 8( Tim ----- Original Message ----- From: "eric" To: Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2000 3:14 AM Subject: Re: MP3>AIFF > > > Timothy wrote: > > > The problem isn't with the conversion, it's with decoding and re-encoding of > > lossy-compression sound formats like MP3. > > Would it be possible then to do rudimentary editing native in the mp3 format - > like trimming and volume fades? > It must be! Surely! Could there already be a freeware app out there that does > this... maybe? > > eobe From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 6 06:42:42 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA11992; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 06:42:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 06:42:42 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Apparently-From: Reply-To: From: "Javier Miranda V." To: Subject: RE: SOT Loopy transportation, and Location was Re: bizarre pedalswasRe: Regeneration with Boomerang Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 07:56:50 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 In-reply-to: Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <"4Q0_r2.0.kh2.tO6xu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13292 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com That sounds like a great idea. | -----Original Message----- | From: Mike Biffle [mailto:mbiffle@svg.com] | Sent: Tuesday 04 April 2000 3:35 PM | To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com; jonathan@full-moon.com | Subject: SOT Loopy transportation, and Location was Re: bizarre | pedalswasRe: Regeneration with Boomerang | | | I could rent rehearsal space here in Santa Cruz some evening for a | free-for-all jam / party. It's not very swanky, but I believe it's | electrically sound and big enough for 6-10 of us in a circle | format... We'd HAVE to record it... | | -Miko | __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 6 09:08:56 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA24804; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 09:08:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 09:08:56 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Apparently-From: Reply-To: From: "Javier Miranda V." To: Subject: RE: beer Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 07:56:46 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 In-reply-to: Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <"6lXT01.0._v5.Dj8xu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13293 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Well, do you know a place we could set up some gear and drink some beer? A place to take musical turns and let the looping burn? A place where they wouldn't mind us, where they would other loopers could find us? I don't know. But it would be really cool. | -----Original Message----- | From: Kim Flint [mailto:kflint@annihilist.com] | Sent: Tuesday 04 April 2000 11:05 PM | To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com | Subject: Re: beer | | | At 12:24 PM -0700 4/4/00, matt davignon wrote: | >Remember? I don't drink! Let's make an SF bay area looper get-together | >instead! | > | | I do, and I'd be happy to cover your share of the beer. So is this party | happening or what? | | kim | | ______________________________________________________________________ | Kim Flint | Looper's Delight | kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html | http://www.annihilist.com/ | | | __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 6 12:05:34 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA11519; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 12:05:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 12:05:34 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 10:51:42 -0500 (CDT) From: SOTO VALENCIA ANDRESRODOLFO To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: the plex In-Reply-To: <38EBC1C6.285BCB1C@cstone.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"uzLE21.0.KS2.nABxu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13294 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com were talking about the echoplex tape ECHO UNIT! not the looper, digital etc etc... On Wed, 5 Apr 2000, John Hunter wrote: > Folks, please forgive my ignorance, but I've looked around and can't > find any info on this tube component of the Echoplex. And the tape > thing....? Is this the EDP we're talking about ? > > Mea Culpa, > > John > > Bret wrote: > > > FYI re the re-issue tube,tape echoplex: > > > > --- pedalman wrote: > > > Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 13:37:01 -0400 > > > From: pedalman > > > To: Bret > > > Subject: Re: the plex > > > > > > hi Bret, > > > > > > Thank you for your inquiry, > > > > > > OUR PRICE on new tube echoplexes is $750 (OVER 30% > > > OFF $1095 suggested > > > retail price), each unit comes with one new Tape > > > Cartridge. Additional > > > Tape Cartridges are available for $35 ea., an > > > Optional footswitch to > > > remotely control The Plex is also available for $33. > > > > > > We have had tremendous response all over the world, > > > and they are selling > > > quickly (first batch has been already sold out, > > > second batch is nearly > > > sold out already...) > > > let us know if you wish to purchase one, > > > and we'll email you right back with all the ordering > > > info > > > > > > -- > > > If there is any other effect pedal You're looking > > > for/ anything else we > > > can help you with, don't hesitate to email! > > > > > > > > > > > > ********************************************** > > > PEDALMAN at ANATOMY GUITARS ****************** > > > WEBSITE = http://www.pedalman.com ***************** > > > EMAIL = pedalman@pedalman.com ******************* > > > PHONE = (212) 802-7279 ************************** > > > *************************************************** > > > THE Source for all the Rare, Vintage, and New ***** > > > EFFECTS of your dreams. Over 4000 Happy PEDALMAN ** > > > Customers Served since 1989 *********************** > > > we BUY- SELL -TRADE ******************************* > > > WE SHIP WORLDWIDE EUROPE JAPAN AUSTRALIA ********** > > > *************************************************** > > > > > > > > > Bret wrote: > > > > > > > > Per your instructions, I am emailing to ask what > > > your > > > > selling price is for the plex. > > > > thanks, > > > > bret > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > > Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. > > > > http://im.yahoo.com > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. > > http://im.yahoo.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 6 14:39:18 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA28336; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 14:39:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 14:39:18 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: Subject: RE: MP3>AIFF Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 11:19:51 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <38EC476C.E5C8499C@inreach.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Resent-Message-ID: <"8-Wd91.0.mQ6.GKDxu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13295 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I have seen codec for Sound Forge that allow it to edit mp3s, and Vegas can do it. However, I have not seen any freeware apps that allow this porcess. bIz -----Original Message----- From: eric [mailto:eobertha@inreach.com] Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2000 1:15 AM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: MP3>AIFF Timothy wrote: > The problem isn't with the conversion, it's with decoding and re-encoding of > lossy-compression sound formats like MP3. Would it be possible then to do rudimentary editing native in the mp3 format - like trimming and volume fades? It must be! Surely! Could there already be a freeware app out there that does this... maybe? eobe From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 6 15:17:48 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA00337; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 15:17:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 15:17:48 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000406151322.007c6960@panther.middlebury.edu> X-Sender: mchriste@panther.middlebury.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 15:13:22 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: murkie Subject: OT: Steve Reich & Musicians Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"WP2fp2.0.3v7.N7Exu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13298 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com i was lucky enough to have in my concert hall (well the one i manage at Middlebury College, anyway) a performance by Steve Reich and his company of musicians. it was a remarkable evening made even more enjoyable by meeting a fellow looper's-d contributor, Todd Reynolds. geek talk was kept to a relative minimum, though how to unsubscribe was touched upon. the program was: Clapping Music New York Counterpoint Drumming, pt 1 Nagoya Marimbas Different Trains it's one thing to hear recordings of Reich's works and a totally different thing to be in the room while the musicans are performing. really inspirational! the only downside was my looping rig wasn't up and running when i finally got home. that's okay though. hearing Different Trains made me head for my sampler instead. Mr. Reich also spoke at the beginning of the concert and dedicated that evenings performance to four Middlebury College students who were killed at the beginning of the week in an auto accident. a very nice gesture. 'scuse me, i gotta go practice now. m p.s. - another highlight? watching Reich do some of the house sound mix himself. ===================================================================== = = = M a r k C h r i s t e n s e n = = Cramped Quarters Studio / Jasperpottamus Music Publishing = = internet: murkie@middlebury.edu = = http://www.middlebury.edu/~mchriste/murkie.html = = = ===================================================================== From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 6 15:03:33 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA30906; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 15:03:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 15:03:33 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C413039A@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: OT: Octave Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 14:55:04 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.10) Resent-Message-ID: <"O2ESN.0.fM7.lsDxu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13296 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com octave pedals, a subject near and dear to my heart. i've been borrowing an ebs octa-bass from a friend and it's pretty nice. maybe a little better than the boss. can get some nice artifacts out of it too. tracks pretty well, doesn't have the second octave down that the boss has (boss has one and two down if i remember correctly). i've been trying to get one of the boutique pedal manufacturers to make a low octave (or one and two octave) pedal that will also do the fuzz thang. i'd like them to make it so that the fuzz and octave are discrete and blendable versus the original signal. so far no takers. anyone else think that this would be useful? it would be kinda cool if we could get a grassroots thing that would make one of these people interested in filling a niche that isn't being met yet. ideas????? someone mentioned the interzone cd; thanks for the nice words. alex is really easy to play with (a total mofo too i might add). steve lawson, welcome to ld. now we're on two lists together . . . stig From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 6 15:27:59 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA01328; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 15:27:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 15:27:59 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 12:05:19 -0700 From: "Mike Biffle" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, gnomesis@yahoo.com Subject: RE: SOT Loopy transportation, and Location was Re: bizarre pedalswasRe: Regeneration with Boomerang Resent-Message-ID: <"9sHUF2.0.gc7.T0Exu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13297 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I'll call the hall manager and find an evening slot. I'll TRY to get a friday or saturday, and I'll book it for 7:00pm until ??? Maybe midnite? I'll report the available times in a call for players probably early next week. I'd venture that it will be at least a month away at the earliest... -Miko >>> "Javier Miranda V." 04/06 3:41 AM >>> That sounds like a great idea. | -----Original Message----- | From: Mike Biffle [mailto:mbiffle@svg.com] | Sent: Tuesday 04 April 2000 3:35 PM | To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com; jonathan@full-moon.com | Subject: SOT Loopy transportation, and Location was Re: bizarre | pedalswasRe: Regeneration with Boomerang | | | I could rent rehearsal space here in Santa Cruz some evening for a | free-for-all jam / party. It's not very swanky, but I believe it's | electrically sound and big enough for 6-10 of us in a circle | format... We'd HAVE to record it... | | -Miko | __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 6 15:33:19 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA01903; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 15:33:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 15:33:19 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <007c01bf9ffd$d66eef80$2f2cf7c2@abc.zetnet.co.uk> From: "steve lawson" To: Subject: Re: OT: Octave Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 20:25:04 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"UQrW13.0.DI.cJExu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13299 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >i've been trying to get one of the boutique pedal manufacturers to make a >low octave (or one and two octave) pedal that will also do the fuzz thang. >i'd like them to make it so that the fuzz and octave are discrete and >blendable versus the original signal. so far no takers. anyone else think >that this would be useful? it would be kinda cool if we could get a >grassroots thing that would make one of these people interested in filling a >niche that isn't being met yet. ideas????? Might be worth e-mail Ashdown about this - their amps have a fantastic built in sub-octave thingie. I've got a 1x0 combo (300W!!!) and the sub on it is great... There's no reason what they shouldn't do what you've just said, if they can be convinced there's a market for it... >someone mentioned the interzone cd; thanks for the nice words. alex is >really easy to play with (a total mofo too i might add). Where can I hear some of this stuff?? ? >steve lawson, welcome to ld. now we're on two lists together . . . Thanks! Any other bassists on here? From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 6 16:04:40 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA05894; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 16:04:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 16:04:40 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <001401bfa002$8939ab60$a11cc9d8@bruggeman> From: "Mike Bruggeman" To: Subject: Re: OT: Octave Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 15:58:52 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"sBowa2.0.MD1.coExu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13300 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com We received this from you. 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To: 'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com' Date: Thursday, April 06, 2000 3:54 PM Subject: RE: OT: Octave >octave pedals, a subject near and dear to my heart. i've been borrowing an >ebs octa-bass from a friend and it's pretty nice. maybe a little better than >the boss. can get some nice artifacts out of it too. tracks pretty well, >doesn't have the second octave down that the boss has (boss has one and two >down if i remember correctly). > > >i've been trying to get one of the boutique pedal manufacturers to make a >low octave (or one and two octave) pedal that will also do the fuzz thang. >i'd like them to make it so that the fuzz and octave are discrete and >blendable versus the original signal. so far no takers. anyone else think >that this would be useful? it would be kinda cool if we could get a >grassroots thing that would make one of these people interested in filling a >niche that isn't being met yet. ideas????? > >someone mentioned the interzone cd; thanks for the nice words. alex is >really easy to play with (a total mofo too i might add). > >steve lawson, welcome to ld. now we're on two lists together . . . > >stig > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 6 16:08:54 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA06491; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 16:08:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 16:08:54 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <004201bfa003$2e52fd40$a11cc9d8@bruggeman> From: "Mike Bruggeman" To: Subject: Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 16:03:29 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003F_01BF9FE1.A66729E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"2wvqX1.0._Q1.ysExu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13304 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003F_01BF9FE1.A66729E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable TAKE US OFF OF YOUR LIST IMMEDIATELY!!!!!!!! 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------=_NextPart_000_003F_01BF9FE1.A66729E0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 6 16:20:31 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA07997; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 16:20:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 16:20:31 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 16:15:25 -0400 (EDT) From: Tara Key Sender: tk10@columbia.edu To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: northeast looping: anticlockwise Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"CPw4L2.0.Rk1.l1Fxu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13307 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I am posting this for a friend who is really loop-o-rific! ---------- Forwarded message ---------- anti:clockwise is robert of tono-bungay in a solo/improv/uglient presentation, roaming the northeast: thurs. 4/13 MOVIE NITE!!! flywheel collective 2 Holyoke Street Easthampton MA fri. 4/14 bennington college sat. 4/15 1:30 am LATE SET (after bikini kill) Fort Thunder 75 Eagle St. #1 Providence, RI From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 6 16:16:56 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA07208; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 16:16:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 16:16:56 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <001b01bfa002$a5efd400$a11cc9d8@bruggeman> From: "Mike Bruggeman" To: Subject: Re: Steve Reich & Musicians Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 15:59:40 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"Ty-gk2.0.KH1.QpExu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13301 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com PLEASE DO NOT SEND US ANY MORE E-MAIL I WISH THAT IT WOULD STOP! -----Original Message----- From: murkie To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Thursday, April 06, 2000 3:50 PM Subject: OT: Steve Reich & Musicians > >i was lucky enough to have in my concert hall (well the one i manage at >Middlebury College, anyway) a performance by Steve Reich and his company of >musicians. it was a remarkable evening made even more enjoyable by meeting >a fellow looper's-d contributor, Todd Reynolds. geek talk was kept to a >relative minimum, though how to unsubscribe was touched upon. > >the program was: > >Clapping Music >New York Counterpoint >Drumming, pt 1 >Nagoya Marimbas >Different Trains > >it's one thing to hear recordings of Reich's works and a totally different >thing to be in the room while the musicans are performing. really >inspirational! the only downside was my looping rig wasn't up and running >when i finally got home. that's okay though. hearing Different Trains >made me head for my sampler instead. > >Mr. Reich also spoke at the beginning of the concert and dedicated that >evenings performance to four Middlebury College students who were killed at >the beginning of the week in an auto accident. a very nice gesture. > >'scuse me, i gotta go practice now. > >m > >p.s. - another highlight? watching Reich do some of the house sound mix >himself. > >===================================================================== >= = >= M a r k C h r i s t e n s e n = >= Cramped Quarters Studio / Jasperpottamus Music Publishing = >= internet: murkie@middlebury.edu = >= http://www.middlebury.edu/~mchriste/murkie.html = >= = >===================================================================== > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 6 16:09:57 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA06635; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 16:09:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 16:09:57 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: Subject: RE: SOT Loopy transportation, and Location was Re: bizarrepedalswasRe: Regeneration with Boomerang Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 13:03:26 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Resent-Message-ID: <"LVBoS3.0.xM1.IrExu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13303 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com How many people are thinking of showing up? Perhaps a list of the equipment (not too detailed!! please!!) you play so we can get an idea of what kind of line up/format we would have would be good. Could we/would we want to all go into one mixer, rather than dealing with separate amplifications, since there will probably be enough headaches and extension cables from all the gear as it is. This is especially the case if we intend to record it. I can bring a DATMAN, and lots of tape. As previously mentioned, I play chapman stick, and trigger percussive loops on a SP-808, so I get a bass/lead/rhythm/ambient/percussion kind of thing going. bIz -----Original Message----- From: Mike Biffle [mailto:mbiffle@svg.com] Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2000 12:05 PM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com; gnomesis@yahoo.com Subject: RE: SOT Loopy transportation, and Location was Re: bizarrepedalswasRe: Regeneration with Boomerang I'll call the hall manager and find an evening slot. I'll TRY to get a friday or saturday, and I'll book it for 7:00pm until ??? Maybe midnite? I'll report the available times in a call for players probably early next week. I'd venture that it will be at least a month away at the earliest... -Miko >>> "Javier Miranda V." 04/06 3:41 AM >>> That sounds like a great idea. | -----Original Message----- | From: Mike Biffle [mailto:mbiffle@svg.com] | Sent: Tuesday 04 April 2000 3:35 PM | To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com; jonathan@full-moon.com | Subject: SOT Loopy transportation, and Location was Re: bizarre | pedalswasRe: Regeneration with Boomerang | | | I could rent rehearsal space here in Santa Cruz some evening for a | free-for-all jam / party. It's not very swanky, but I believe it's | electrically sound and big enough for 6-10 of us in a circle | format... We'd HAVE to record it... | | -Miko | __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 6 16:19:21 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA07618; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 16:19:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 16:19:21 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <003601bfa002$d98034e0$a11cc9d8@bruggeman> From: "Mike Bruggeman" To: Subject: Re: MP3>AIFF Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 16:01:07 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"gqney1.0.-K1.iqExu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13302 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I DO NOT WANT TO RECEIVE ANYMORE E-MAIL FROM YOU! PLEASE TAKE US OFF OF YOUR LIST -----Original Message----- From: Jonathan El-Bizri To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Thursday, April 06, 2000 3:17 PM Subject: RE: MP3>AIFF >I have seen codec for Sound Forge that allow it to edit mp3s, and Vegas can >do it. However, I have not seen any freeware apps that allow this porcess. > >bIz > > >-----Original Message----- >From: eric [mailto:eobertha@inreach.com] >Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2000 1:15 AM >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Subject: Re: MP3>AIFF > > > > >Timothy wrote: > >> The problem isn't with the conversion, it's with decoding and re-encoding >of >> lossy-compression sound formats like MP3. > >Would it be possible then to do rudimentary editing native in the mp3 >format - >like trimming and volume fades? >It must be! Surely! Could there already be a freeware app out there that >does >this... maybe? > >eobe > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 6 16:09:05 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA06512; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 16:09:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 16:09:05 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <004e01bfa003$49ebcf00$a11cc9d8@bruggeman> From: "Mike Bruggeman" To: Subject: UNSUBSCRIBE Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 16:04:16 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_004B_01BF9FE1.C2092360" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"SwQdo3.0.jS1.gtExu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13305 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_004B_01BF9FE1.C2092360 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable UNSUBSCRIBE ------=_NextPart_000_004B_01BF9FE1.C2092360 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_004B_01BF9FE1.C2092360-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 6 16:10:00 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA06642; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 16:10:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 16:10:00 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <003201bfa004$0670c3b0$89310140@concentric.net> From: "Larry Tremblay" To: References: <3.0.5.32.20000406151322.007c6960@panther.middlebury.edu> Subject: Re: Steve Reich & Musicians Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 16:09:32 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"DOcAm.0.cU1.IuExu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13306 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com You lucky dog! I saw Clapping Music performed live once and was absolutely spellbound and impressed by way they built up their interlocking patterns and polyrhythms. Drumming is beautiful too. I hope he comes to my area soon. Very inspirational. - Larry ----- Original Message ----- From: "murkie" To: Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2000 3:13 PM Subject: OT: Steve Reich & Musicians > > i was lucky enough to have in my concert hall (well the one i manage at > Middlebury College, anyway) a performance by Steve Reich and his company of > musicians. it was a remarkable evening made even more enjoyable by meeting > a fellow looper's-d contributor, Todd Reynolds. geek talk was kept to a > relative minimum, though how to unsubscribe was touched upon. > > the program was: > > Clapping Music > New York Counterpoint > Drumming, pt 1 > Nagoya Marimbas > Different Trains > > it's one thing to hear recordings of Reich's works and a totally different > thing to be in the room while the musicans are performing. really > inspirational! the only downside was my looping rig wasn't up and running > when i finally got home. that's okay though. hearing Different Trains > made me head for my sampler instead. > > Mr. Reich also spoke at the beginning of the concert and dedicated that > evenings performance to four Middlebury College students who were killed at > the beginning of the week in an auto accident. a very nice gesture. > > 'scuse me, i gotta go practice now. > > m > > p.s. - another highlight? watching Reich do some of the house sound mix > himself. > > ===================================================================== > = = > = M a r k C h r i s t e n s e n = > = Cramped Quarters Studio / Jasperpottamus Music Publishing = > = internet: murkie@middlebury.edu = > = http://www.middlebury.edu/~mchriste/murkie.html = > = = > ===================================================================== > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 6 16:42:09 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA11176; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 16:42:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 16:42:09 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Pedro Felix" To: Subject: Re: Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 16:24:21 -0500 Message-ID: <01bfa00e$79571640$450f4f0c@Wroswick.uvm.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0338_01BF9FE4.90810E40" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"Jk_Up2.0.WE2.2DFxu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13308 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0338_01BF9FE4.90810E40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Mike! Weeeelcome, you're here to stay, lol! PedrOOrdeP =20 -----Original Message----- From: Mike Bruggeman To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Date: Thursday, April 06, 2000 3:23 PM =20 =20 TAKE US OFF OF YOUR LIST IMMEDIATELY!!!!!!!! I HAVE NEVER GOT SO MUCH E-MAIL THAT WAS WORTHLESS TO US. WE HAVE = GOOTEN OVER 4 E-MAILS TODAY FROM JUST YOUR SITE. WE ARE NOT INTERESTED. ------=_NextPart_000_0338_01BF9FE4.90810E40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_0338_01BF9FE4.90810E40-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 6 17:00:06 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA13010; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 17:00:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 17:00:06 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 13:52:30 -0700 From: "Mike Biffle" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, jonathan@full-moon.com Subject: RE: SOT Loopy transportation >>> Santa Cruz Loop JAM logistics... Resent-Message-ID: <"PO82L1.0.j_2.FbFxu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13315 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > How many people are thinking of showing up? Perhaps a list of the equipment (not too detailed!! please!!) you play so we can get an idea of what kind of line up/format we would have would be good. Hi Jonathan... I've left a message at the rehearsal space asking for available friday or saturday eve times... When I get a call back, I'll post that to the list with a call to arms from interested players. There's a GOOD amount of floor space at this place as well as a stage. Not using the stage and fanning out in a circle setup would probably accomodate 6-10 people with a fair amount of floor equipment. I'm talking about 4' x 6' sort of space per player... speakers might need to be elevated or added to the space equation... SIDE NOTE: Tomorrow night, Friday 4-7, I'm heading down to David Potter's studio to check out Perille's DJRND2. If anyone else is interested in seeing this unit and testing it, please speak up today so we can get you dialed in on the directions to David's house etc. We're going to get started around 7:00pm. > Could we/would we want to all go into one mixer, rather than dealing with separate amplifications, since there will probably be enough headaches and extension cables from all the gear as it is. This is especially the case if we intend to record it. I can bring a DATMAN, and lots of tape. There is a fairly large pa there which we could all give stereo feeds to... Sometimes it becomes really hairy with monitoring for individuals though... If we ALL get feeds to the main board and provide our own monitors that would work. House monitoring would probably be a mess... I've found it simpler sometimes to put out a pair of stereo mics in the room (or possibly more) and let everyone take care of their own speaker placement. It also localizes the various players sounds in the stereo field... I know that isn't the full-on stereo treatment most of us are used to, but it's not percieved as full mono either. It's a compromise which sometimes sounds great. -Miko > As previously mentioned, I play chapman stick, and trigger percussive loops on a SP-808, so I get a bass/lead/rhythm/ambient/percussion kind of thing going. bIz -----Original Message----- From: Mike Biffle [mailto:mbiffle@svg.com] Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2000 12:05 PM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com; gnomesis@yahoo.com Subject: RE: SOT Loopy transportation, and Location was Re: bizarrepedalswasRe: Regeneration with Boomerang I'll call the hall manager and find an evening slot. I'll TRY to get a friday or saturday, and I'll book it for 7:00pm until ??? Maybe midnite? I'll report the available times in a call for players probably early next week. I'd venture that it will be at least a month away at the earliest... -Miko >>> "Javier Miranda V." 04/06 3:41 AM >>> That sounds like a great idea. Subject: SOT Loopy transportation, and Location was Re: bizarre pedalswasRe: Regeneration with Boomerang Miko I could rent rehearsal space here in Santa Cruz some evening for a free-for-all jam / party. It's not very swanky, but I believe it's electrically sound and big enough for 6-10 of us in a circle format... We'd HAVE to record it... -Miko From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 6 17:02:34 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA13518; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 17:02:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 17:02:34 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <001401bfa002$8939ab60$a11cc9d8@bruggeman> Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 13:44:07 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Chris Chovit Subject: Re: OT: Octave --> wish list Cc: "Mike Bruggeman" Resent-Message-ID: <"kmlAc2.0.Ia2._OFxu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13310 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I received this from you. I wish for a wisdom-consciousness society based on justice for all individuals, nonviolent problem-solving, a healing and self-sustaining relationship with the environment and each other, and freedom of choice. >We received this from you. I wish that we receive no more articles or >e-mail from you. > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Liebig, Steuart A. >To: 'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com' >Date: Thursday, April 06, 2000 3:54 PM >Subject: RE: OT: Octave > > >>octave pedals, a subject near and dear to my heart. i've been borrowing an >>ebs octa-bass from a friend and it's pretty nice. maybe a little better >than >>the boss. can get some nice artifacts out of it too. tracks pretty well, >>doesn't have the second octave down that the boss has (boss has one and two >>down if i remember correctly). >> >> >>i've been trying to get one of the boutique pedal manufacturers to make a >>low octave (or one and two octave) pedal that will also do the fuzz thang. >>i'd like them to make it so that the fuzz and octave are discrete and >>blendable versus the original signal. so far no takers. anyone else think >>that this would be useful? it would be kinda cool if we could get a >>grassroots thing that would make one of these people interested in filling >a >>niche that isn't being met yet. ideas????? >> >>someone mentioned the interzone cd; thanks for the nice words. alex is >>really easy to play with (a total mofo too i might add). >> >>steve lawson, welcome to ld. now we're on two lists together . . . >> >>stig >> From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 6 16:51:53 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA12031; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 16:51:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 16:51:53 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <002401bfa008$fcf0b840$89310140@concentric.net> From: "Larry Tremblay" To: References: <001b01bfa002$a5efd400$a11cc9d8@bruggeman> Subject: Re: Steve Reich & Musicians Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 16:45:03 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"Noi2x1.0.ee2.hPFxu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13311 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > PLEASE DO NOT SEND US ANY MORE E-MAIL I WISH THAT IT WOULD STOP! > Chill out. Only *YOU* can stop the mail. To unsubscribe, send mail with the word "unsubscribe" in both the subject and body, and no sig files or anything else, to: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Bruggeman" To: Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2000 3:59 PM Subject: Re: Steve Reich & Musicians > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: murkie > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Date: Thursday, April 06, 2000 3:50 PM > Subject: OT: Steve Reich & Musicians > > > > > >i was lucky enough to have in my concert hall (well the one i manage at > >Middlebury College, anyway) a performance by Steve Reich and his company of > >musicians. it was a remarkable evening made even more enjoyable by meeting > >a fellow looper's-d contributor, Todd Reynolds. geek talk was kept to a > >relative minimum, though how to unsubscribe was touched upon. > > > >the program was: > > > >Clapping Music > >New York Counterpoint > >Drumming, pt 1 > >Nagoya Marimbas > >Different Trains > > > >it's one thing to hear recordings of Reich's works and a totally different > >thing to be in the room while the musicans are performing. really > >inspirational! the only downside was my looping rig wasn't up and running > >when i finally got home. that's okay though. hearing Different Trains > >made me head for my sampler instead. > > > >Mr. Reich also spoke at the beginning of the concert and dedicated that > >evenings performance to four Middlebury College students who were killed at > >the beginning of the week in an auto accident. a very nice gesture. > > > >'scuse me, i gotta go practice now. > > > >m > > > >p.s. - another highlight? watching Reich do some of the house sound mix > >himself. > > > >===================================================================== > >= = > >= M a r k C h r i s t e n s e n = > >= Cramped Quarters Studio / Jasperpottamus Music Publishing = > >= internet: murkie@middlebury.edu = > >= http://www.middlebury.edu/~mchriste/murkie.html = > >= = > >===================================================================== > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 6 16:41:21 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA10844; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 16:41:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 16:41:21 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C413039A@migarexch01.maritz.com> Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 13:32:52 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Chris Chovit Subject: RE: OT: Octave Resent-Message-ID: <"SXK_A3.0.sG2.PEFxu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13309 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com stig wrote: >i've been trying to get one of the boutique pedal manufacturers to make a >low octave (or one and two octave) pedal that will also do the fuzz thang. >i'd like them to make it so that the fuzz and octave are discrete and >blendable versus the original signal. so far no takers. anyone else think >that this would be useful? it would be kinda cool if we could get a >grassroots thing that would make one of these people interested in filling a >niche that isn't being met yet. ideas????? Yeah...i really like doing leads with the fat tone from an octaver and fuzz together. Reminds me of early Crimson (although i can't think of a particular song that has this) or some of the crazy leads from Hatfield & the North's albums. I've (also) been using the EBS octabass into a Lovetone meatball (trigger off, so it is a static filter) with a fuzz (big muff deluxe: fuzz & compression) on the meatball's fx loop. this is FAT! and sustains forever. I think E-H had a great idea to combine a compressor w/ the fuzz, cause that fuzz tone sounds sooooo sweet for leads, when it sustains forever... The filter from the meatball is also nice, for additional tone control. So how about a pedal with these features: Compression, Fuzz, Octaver (1/2 octave low), Filter (Lopass/Bandpass/Hipass -- static or if possible, dynamic) This would be one funky pedal!! Perhaps Lovetone would be willing to adventure in this arena......They already make a GREAT fuzz and filter pedal...and are a small enough company to actually listen to its customers... - Chris From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 6 16:56:03 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA12600; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 16:56:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 16:56:03 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38ECF8C7.3001CD7@ppi2pass.com> Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 13:51:19 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro Reply-To: msottilaro@ppi2pass.com Organization: PPI X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: SF loop get together References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"lVAAa2.0.gy2.tZFxu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13314 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hey, This might be a good way of managing all the gear and people: http://www.excite.com/Info/invite/splash.html You can could me, my JamMan, Steinberger, Spacestation, and Line6 Spyder to be there. If we're doing the mixer deal (good idea Jon) I'll lug my Digitech 2112 out for it's decent amp simulation/preamp qualities. Mark Jonathan El-Bizri wrote: > How many people are thinking of showing up? Perhaps a list of the equipment > (not too detailed!! please!!) you play so we can get an idea of what kind of > line up/format we would have would be good. > > Could we/would we want to all go into one mixer, rather than dealing with > separate amplifications, since there will probably be enough headaches and > extension cables from all the gear as it is. This is especially the case if > we intend to record it. I can bring a DATMAN, and lots of tape. > > As previously mentioned, I play chapman stick, and trigger percussive loops > on a SP-808, so I get a bass/lead/rhythm/ambient/percussion kind of thing > going. > > bIz > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mike Biffle [mailto:mbiffle@svg.com] > Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2000 12:05 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com; gnomesis@yahoo.com > Subject: RE: SOT Loopy transportation, and Location was Re: > bizarrepedalswasRe: Regeneration with Boomerang > > I'll call the hall manager and find an evening slot. I'll TRY to get a > friday or saturday, and I'll book it for 7:00pm until ??? Maybe > midnite? I'll report the available times in a call for players > probably early next week. I'd venture that it will be at least a month > away at the earliest... > > -Miko > > >>> "Javier Miranda V." 04/06 3:41 AM >>> > That sounds like a great idea. > > | -----Original Message----- > | From: Mike Biffle [mailto:mbiffle@svg.com] > | Sent: Tuesday 04 April 2000 3:35 PM > | To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com; jonathan@full-moon.com > | Subject: SOT Loopy transportation, and Location was Re: bizarre > | pedalswasRe: Regeneration with Boomerang > | > | > | I could rent rehearsal space here in Santa Cruz some evening for > a > | free-for-all jam / party. It's not very swanky, but I believe > it's > | electrically sound and big enough for 6-10 of us in a circle > | format... We'd HAVE to record it... > | > | -Miko > | > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com -- Mark Sottilaro Professional Publications, Inc 1250 Fifth Ave, Belmont CA 94002 Multimedia Production E-mail: msottilaro@ppi2pass.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 6 16:57:56 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA12768; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 16:57:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 16:57:56 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <003e01bfa00a$72772030$89310140@concentric.net> From: "Larry Tremblay" To: References: <004e01bfa003$49ebcf00$a11cc9d8@bruggeman> Subject: Re: UNSUBSCRIBE Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 16:55:29 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"K_SRN2.0.Mx2.OZFxu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13313 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Bruggeman - NOTE the different email address for unsubscribing. (Sheeesh..) To unsubscribe, send mail with the word "unsubscribe" in both the subject and body, and no sig files or anything else, to: --> Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Bruggeman" To: Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2000 4:04 PM Subject: UNSUBSCRIBE UNSUBSCRIBE From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 6 17:12:00 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA15250; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 17:12:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 17:12:00 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: Subject: Loop friendly places to play Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 14:08:15 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <003e01bfa00a$72772030$89310140@concentric.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Resent-Message-ID: <"lBo3P3.0.HZ3.2oFxu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13317 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I'd like to put together a list of loop and improv friendly places to play in the SF bay area. Does anyone one have any good suggestions/experiences? bIz From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 6 17:34:08 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA18143; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 17:34:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 17:34:08 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <7BAC931E644ED211A90C00805F65CB640507CE73@georgia.exchange.indiana.edu> From: "Taaffe, Denis G" To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Steve Reich & Musicians Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 16:27:21 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <"6nFpp3.0.ZJ4.A7Gxu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13319 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com why doesn't this bonehead just unsubscribe....what a moron... -----Original Message----- From: Larry Tremblay [mailto:ltct@concentric.net] Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2000 3:45 PM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Steve Reich & Musicians > PLEASE DO NOT SEND US ANY MORE E-MAIL I WISH THAT IT WOULD STOP! > Chill out. Only *YOU* can stop the mail. To unsubscribe, From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 6 17:17:46 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA15788; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 17:17:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 17:17:46 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Echophazer@aol.com Message-ID: <2f.38e7b31.261e50eb@aol.com> Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 16:43:23 EDT Subject: Re: Steve Reich & Musicians To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 14 Resent-Message-ID: <"vWHfn2.0.rm2.HSFxu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13312 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Please send me as much steve reich mail as possible. Peter From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 6 17:12:02 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA15265; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 17:12:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 17:12:02 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: SketchyJoe@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 17:04:25 EDT Subject: Re: OT: Octave (and other weird noises) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 102 Resent-Message-ID: <"99rDS3.0.uU3.0mFxu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13316 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com As far as pedals are concerned, try contacting 3ms (I think). They are a small operation based out of St. Louis. They have some absolutely insane pedals and will customize anything they make. They even barter for various goods and services. I would think that they would do at least some interesting variation on an octave pedal. Plus, I think anyone interested in fun noises should check them out. Later! Joe From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 6 17:58:31 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA21744; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 17:58:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 17:58:31 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38ED07B3.7906@sirius.com> Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 14:55:03 -0700 From: Peter Wiley Reply-To: pwiley@sirius.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: OT: Octave RE: OT: Octave RE: OT: Octave Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"p-wXz.0.MF5.qUGxu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13321 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > i've been trying to get one of the boutique pedal manufacturers to make a > low octave (or one and two octave) pedal that will also do the fuzz thang. > i'd like them to make it so that the fuzz and octave are discrete and > blendable versus the original signal EH microsynth does this. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 6 18:14:00 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA23368; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 18:14:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 18:14:00 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <7BAC931E644ED211A90C00805F65CB640507CE78@georgia.exchange.indiana.edu> From: "Taaffe, Denis G" To: "'pwiley@sirius.com'" , Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: OT: Octave RE: OT: Octave RE: OT: Octave Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 17:07:01 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <"5R24x.0.rX5.GiGxu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13322 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com WEll I use pitch shifters to do a smilar thing, though it isn't perfect. Denis Denis Taaffe denis_aliengtr@geocities.com http://www.dtguitar.com > i've been trying to get one of the boutique pedal manufacturers to make a > low octave (or one and two octave) pedal that will also do the fuzz thang. EH microsynth does this. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 6 17:49:11 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA20842; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 17:49:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 17:49:11 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <00b001bfa011$f3be81e0$7487abd4@h2v6p1> From: "luca" To: References: <002201bf9f6b$f3c2a500$18974e0c@u73x0> Subject: R: the plex Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 23:48:27 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <"JQtUq1.0.Gf4.1KGxu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13320 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com So, if you are looking for giving tube sound to the Edp, why don't you take a look to www.advancetubech.com (or ".it" I don't remember). They are producing a tube mixer that I think is the best complement for Edp: it permits to work on it in parallel keeping two lines free (one dry and another one effected), giving to the mixed sound tube richness through valves before the main outputs. When I have seen this had been invented I have been soooo happy. Bye, Luca ----- Original Message ----- From: James Pokorny To: Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2000 4:00 AM Subject: Re: the plex > No, the original tape-based Echoplex is an entirely different creature from > the EDP. I believe the original Echoplex dates to the early 60's and > featured an extremely long (approx. 2-3 minutes?) tape loop, with 2 tape > heads (1 moveable to increase delay time). There were 2 standard modes: 1) > sound on sound wherein you would record material onto the tape loop, then > play over it, and 2) delay - where you could set the delay time by means of > the moveable tape head. This delay time was probably about 2 seconds > maximum, but could be drastically tweaked by spooling the tape around a > mike-stand, chair-leg, etc. placed far away from the unit. A good tool for > the time, but nowhere near the capabilities of the EDP. > > I've used both the tape echoplex and the EDP, and if the asking price for > the tape echoplex is US $750.00, I would definitely recommend saving the > money towards the much more versatile EPD. I'm sure all other users will > agree. > > James Pokorny > > -----Original Message----- > From: John Hunter > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Date: Wednesday, April 05, 2000 8:30 PM > Subject: Re: the plex > > > >Folks, please forgive my ignorance, but I've looked around and can't > >find any info on this tube component of the Echoplex. And the tape > >thing....? Is this the EDP we're talking about ? > > > >Mea Culpa, > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 6 17:34:17 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA18164; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 17:34:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 17:34:17 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000406212624.84620.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [204.247.186.99] From: "matt davignon" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: stopping it Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 14:26:24 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"2p8qN.0.4F4.Y4Gxu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13318 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com The word "request" in the email address is the key. If you send the mail to "loopers-delight@annihilist.com" or hit reply, you're just posting for the other list members to read. Please, Mr. Bruggeman, don't be angry with us. Somebody who has access to your email address (probably a family member or housemate) deliberately subscribed to this list. It's just about impossible to do it by mistake. Nor would any of us particularly want to send you email you don't want. Unsubscribe instructions are printed below. Matt Davignon >From: "Larry Tremblay" >Chill out. Only *YOU* can stop the mail. > >To unsubscribe, send mail with the word "unsubscribe" >in both the subject and body, and no sig files or anything >else, to: > >Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 6 19:10:33 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA28221; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 19:10:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 19:10:33 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000406230452.1882.qmail@web124.yahoomail.com> Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 16:04:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Bret Subject: OT: was Octave, is design and prototyping To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"-DLUb2.0.2o6.NWHxu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13324 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com stig wrote: >i've been trying to get one of the boutique pedal manufacturers to make a >low octave (or one and two octave) pedal that will also do the fuzz thang. >i'd like them to make it so that the fuzz and octave are discrete and >blendable versus the original signal. so far no takers. anyone else think >that this would be useful? it would be kinda cool if we could get a >grassroots thing that would make one of these people interested in filling a >niche that isn't being met yet. ideas????? I just got off the phone with the owner of a company that distributes electronic parts and components, and does prototype engineering and manufacturing. He is willing to talk to you about products or projects that you would like to develop. Obviously prototyping involves Non recurring engineering costs that may make some projects cost prohibitive if you only want to build 1 unit. However, if there are many people that want the same device these costs could be spread over the volume of units built. Some of his designs that I have seen (and heard) are tube audio amplifiers, pentode audio preamps, triode audio preamps, low cost high power rf broadcast transmitters, and very high current variable power supplies. I have also seen some of his restoration work on vintage shortwave receivers and transceivers and his work is immaculate. The company is Frontier Engineering, in Longmont Colorado. Their web page is at: http://www.freng.com/ The owner is Dave Wilson. Their phone number is voice: 303 776-6242 Fax: 303 776-6080. E-mail: sales@freng.com, Technical inquiries: eng@freng.com. They are distributors for Maplin Electronics, a UK firm. Frontier sells all kinds of parts, tools, supplies, devices (rf, audio, video....) and some cool electronic kits. I noticed some interesting sound making chips in the catalog. The Frontier web page only shows a small amount of what is in the catalog, so request a catalog if you like to build, fix or modify electronic devices. I have no affiliation with Frontier Electronics. I just recently visited their showroom, and development facility and was impressed by Dave, both his personality and abilities. Turns out he and I worked at the same disk drive manufacturer a while back (no wonder he looked familiar). Hope this helps, bret moreland __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 6 19:11:05 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA28292; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 19:11:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 19:11:05 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 15:53:43 -0700 From: "Mike Biffle" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, jonathan@full-moon.com Subject: Re: Loop friendly places to play Resent-Message-ID: <"O__Y03.0.ha6.UMHxu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13323 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >>> "Jonathan El-Bizri" 04/06 2:10 PM >>> I'd like to put together a list of loop and improv friendly places to play in the SF bay area. Does anyone one have any good suggestions/experiences? bIz Hi Biz... These two URL's combined lead you to a variety of other resources which might uncover places you're not familiar with yet. While not necessarily loop oriented, they lean towards real-time improv and beyond. Neither of these address the South Bay or Santa Cruz area... Bay Improviser http://www.bayimproviser.com/default.htm Bay Area Creative Music Calendar... http://www.slip.net/~wedge/gigs.html#start It's interesting that when I run across a list of "creative" music venues... SF usually leads the pack in quantity... until you realize that 60% of the listed places have either quit hosting players or gone belly up. Sad but true. Best, -Miko From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 6 19:24:09 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA29923; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 19:24:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 19:24:09 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <005e01bfa01e$a6056e20$8f368218@we.mediaone.net> From: "Om_Audio" To: References: <38EC1498.72CE7A9B@dmans.com> Subject: Re: OT: Octave Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 16:20:07 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"ZMm2R2.0.YD7.TkHxu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13325 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com How well does that synth handle bends? Cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mikell D.Nelson" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2000 9:37 PM Subject: Re: OT: Octave > Hi, > I bought one of the Rocktron octave pedals; I think it was called the Purple > Haze. It sounds great on paper: individual controls for 1 octave higher, 1 octave > lower, output, and distortion or drive. However, it was noisy and very > unpredictable. Didn't track well at all. > On the positive side, I used to have a Lexicon LXP5, and the pitch shifter > tracked as well as any I've heard, but this is probably a little more than $200. I > bet you could find one on a net auction site for $200-$250. > The best tracking I've ever experienced is my old Roland GR-50 guitar synth, > and the tone is anything you want it to be: bass guitar an octave down, flute an > octave up, etc. Now we're way over $200. > > SoundFNR@aol.com wrote: > > > In a message dated 04/04/00 06:08:57 GMT Daylight Time, > > clifsound@mediaone.net writes: > > > > > I am interested in obtaining an octave pedal and would like any input as to > > > what you all think is good out there- Preferably smooth, more than 1 octave > > > down, less than $200- - - I checked out the brown Boss model and really was > > > not impressed- maybe z-vex or other boutique? > > > > > Hi Cliff > > Those old octave pedals, if that's what you want then of course > > there's no substitute.( ie a synthesised note an octave (rarely 2) > > below the ONE note you put in). > > A friend of mine used to have an original Electro Harmonix unit. > > In it's day it could be quite impressive, but chords would > > confuse it (unless the lowest note was played much louder than the rest) > > and tracking was always a bit hit and miss. > > > > > > but there's a lot of cheap multi FX out there with pitch > > functions which will give you an octave or two down no trouble > > .....and no tracking problems either. > > what about a Zoom 2100 for instance.(loops too!) > > > > Andy Butler > > Lexicon Vortex Database > > http://members.aol.com/soundfnr/vortex.htm > > -- > Mike Nelson > > Boomerang Musical Products 800-530-4699 > PO Box 541595 214-340-6913, Outside USA > Dallas, TX 75354-1595 214-343-1038, Fax > > http://www.boomerangmusic.com mnelson@dmans.com > > "Some products make you sound better; > the Boomerang Phrase Sampler makes you play better." > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 6 19:41:57 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA31846; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 19:41:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 19:41:57 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: "Looper's Delight" Subject: RE: Loop friendly places to play Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 16:38:12 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <"LVB1J1.0.jb7.e-Hxu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13326 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >These two URL's combined lead you to a variety of other resources >which might uncover places you're not familiar with yet. While not >necessarily loop oriented, they lean towards real-time improv and >beyond. Neither of these address the South Bay or Santa Cruz area... Excellent! >It's interesting that when I run across a list of "creative" music >venues... SF usually leads the pack in quantity... until you realize >that 60% of the listed places have either quit hosting players or gone >belly up. Sad but true. It's probably the same everywhere though. Isn't it? bIz From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 6 22:43:50 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA26051; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 22:43:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 22:43:50 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Echoechoparkpark@aol.com Message-ID: <73.245aac4.261ea0ac@aol.com> Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 22:23:40 EDT Subject: Re: DJRND2 arrived from France To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 189 Resent-Message-ID: <"yqe3t1.0.4Y5.HRKxu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13327 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 4/3/0 11:09:49 AM, papadave55@hotmail.com writes: >I only have >about 2 weeks with this thing before I have to send it back. If Friday >is >the soonest then Fri. it is... Dang, guys, sounds like a great excuse to come up, but I'm such a working stiff these days - I was supposed to have Friday off, but everything changes. I might take next week off... feeling whimsical... We're talkin what - 5 hours L.A. to Scruz? eric p echo park From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 6 23:04:48 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA28806; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 23:04:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 23:04:48 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Echoechoparkpark@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 22:48:13 EDT Subject: Re: RE: SOT Loopy transportation, and Location was Re: bizarre pedalswasRe: Regeneration with Boomerang To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 189 Resent-Message-ID: <"puCsm1.0.kW6.GoKxu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13329 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 4/6/0 12:28:14 PM, mbiffle@svg.com writes: >I'll TRY to get a >friday or saturday, and I'll book it for 7:00pm until ??? You KNOW I'm down with that!! eric p echo park From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 6 22:50:19 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA26866; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 22:50:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 22:50:19 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Echoechoparkpark@aol.com Message-ID: <36.43e7791.261ea5e9@aol.com> Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 22:46:01 EDT Subject: Re: RE: OT: Octave To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 189 Resent-Message-ID: <"tq-Uj3.0.pS6.BmKxu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13328 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hey stig - >i've been trying to get one of the boutique pedal manufacturers to make a >low octave (or one and two octave) pedal that will also do the fuzz thang. >i'd like them to make it so that the fuzz and octave are discrete and >blendable versus the original signal. so far no takers. anyone else think >that this would be useful? it would be kinda cool if we could get a >grassroots thing that would make one of these people interested in filling >a niche that isn't being met yet. ideas????? ...in the meantime, have you tried the old EH Deluxe octave multiplexer? There's a 5 knob one with a blend for the octave and a switch (but no blend I think) for the fuzz. Pretty Dang Mean on gtr, don't know about bass... Any local gigs? eric p echo park From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 6 23:41:36 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA03425; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 23:41:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 23:41:36 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Echoechoparkpark@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 23:24:44 EDT Subject: Re: RE: SOT Loopy transportation >>> Santa Cruz Loop JAM logistics... To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 189 Resent-Message-ID: <"GNEZp1.0.w9.VKLxu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13332 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Miko, I will also add that a Saturday is probably best for those of us well outside the Bay Area, and probably be a nicer commute for Bay people anyway at 7PM! eric p echo park From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 6 23:16:02 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA30826; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 23:16:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 23:16:02 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Echoechoparkpark@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 23:09:13 EDT Subject: Re: RE: SOT Loopy transportation >>> Santa Cruz Loop JAM logistics... To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 189 Resent-Message-ID: <"VTcSD.0.CD7.76Lxu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13330 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 4/6/0 2:00:18 PM, mbiffle@svg.com writes: >I've found it simpler sometimes to put out a pair of stereo mics in >the room (or possibly more) and let everyone take care of their own >speaker placement. It also localizes the various players sounds in the >stereo field... I know that isn't the full-on stereo treatment most of >us are used to, but it's not percieved as full mono either. It's a >compromise which sometimes sounds great. I'm thinking this is the way to go, also, even though I don't have my dream speaker cabs yet (what are they?) Less time wasted trying to get a mix and I find that loopers are often pretty good about there own levels. Besides, if we *were* to spend some time getting all wired up - how about a MIDI chain! Each of us can opt in to the sync loop when desired, and/or play/loop freely. My loop art is mostly of the ambient guitar variety. I'd probably bring Boss GT-5, MicroSynth, DL-4, and JamMan. Oh and I s'pose a couple of Ampeg Jet-sized amps. I often pack a sampler/drum box, but hopefully a true rhythmitist will be there. eric p echo park > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 6 23:23:01 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA32554; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 23:23:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 23:23:01 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Echoechoparkpark@aol.com Message-ID: <5a.37f86d3.261eadbe@aol.com> Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 23:19:26 EDT Subject: Re: RE: Loop friendly places to play To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 189 Resent-Message-ID: <"mIRPo.0.wp7.aFLxu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13331 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 4/6/0 4:42:10 PM, jonathan@full-moon.com writes: >>SF usually leads the pack in quantity... until you realize >>that 60% of the listed places have either quit hosting players or gone >>belly up. Sad but true. > >It's probably the same everywhere though. Isn't it? We've lost a few, too, in the last few years. But things are looking up. L.A. people should try The Smell, and The Lab, both downtown. We are also getting a genuine Knitting Factory! Yay! It's been a good year so far... eric p echo park From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 7 06:02:12 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA09850; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 06:02:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2000 06:02:12 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: PJBMHB@aol.com Message-ID: <4a.3bc7fc7.261f0765@aol.com> Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2000 05:41:57 EDT Subject: Re: Loop friendly places to play To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 100 Resent-Message-ID: <"V3SCS.0.Mz1.BsQxu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13333 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com are knitting factories going to become like hardrock cafes? i want my knitting factory, london tee-shirt! =-) PJ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 7 06:26:23 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA11720; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 06:26:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2000 06:26:23 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000407095717.21050.qmail@web118.yahoomail.com> Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2000 02:57:17 -0700 (PDT) From: John Tidwell Subject: Re:Octave To: Loopers Delight MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"iEGGu3.0.SD2.04Rxu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13334 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Here's something new............ http://purpleaudio.com/eyeball.html I saw a brief mention of it in Keyboard. I think the list price is around $600. ===== John Tidwell __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 7 12:07:14 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA11593; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 12:07:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2000 12:07:14 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2000 08:54:31 -0700 From: "Mike Biffle" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, Echoechoparkpark@aol.com Subject: Re: RE: SOT Loopy transportation >>> Santa Cruz Loop JAMlogistics... Resent-Message-ID: <"O3i1o2.0.lU2.WJWxu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13337 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Ok guys... it's not the best news... the studio is pretty much spoken for friday and saturday eves unless there's a cancellation. Sundays are pretty much open though. I'm game to book a sunday and open discussion of which particular sunday would be best for us... We could make it earlier on sunday. Say 2pm - 8pm? Thoughts? -Miko >>> 04/06 8:40 PM >>> Miko, I will also add that a Saturday is probably best for those of us well outside the Bay Area, and probably be a nicer commute for Bay people anyway at 7PM! eric p echo park From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 7 11:55:58 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA10238; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 11:55:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2000 11:55:58 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Apparently-From: Reply-To: From: "Javier Miranda V." To: Subject: RE: OT: Octave --> wish list Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 23:40:13 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <"3IDPc2.0.dK2.AEWxu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13336 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I received this from you. I wish the Echoplex would come out already so all these starved musicians can get to play already. I also wish they would shut up about the Cuban kid, forgive the third-world debt, that it would be the Fall already so I can buy the new Beatles book, that I could have enough money to buy all the CDs I want, that I could have enough money (and talent) to support five beautiful wives, that I had a great record deal with a rich record company, that I could afford to buy a new car, that I could afford to go to Europe on vacations twice a year instead of every two years, that the English left Northern Ireland, etc., etc., but why mention it. By the way, I love the LD list. Keep the nutty posts happening! More! More! | -----Original Message----- | From: Chris Chovit [mailto:cho@newdream.net] | Sent: Thursday 06 April 2000 1:44 PM | To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com | Cc: Mike Bruggeman | Subject: Re: OT: Octave --> wish list | | | I received this from you. I wish for a wisdom-consciousness | society based | on justice for all individuals, nonviolent problem-solving, a | healing and | self-sustaining relationship with the environment and each other, and | freedom of choice. | | | >We received this from you. I wish that we receive no more articles or | >e-mail from you. | > | > | >-----Original Message----- | >From: Liebig, Steuart A. | >To: 'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com' | >Date: Thursday, April 06, 2000 3:54 PM | >Subject: RE: OT: Octave | > | > | >>octave pedals, a subject near and dear to my heart. i've been | borrowing an | >>ebs octa-bass from a friend and it's pretty nice. maybe a | little better | >than | >>the boss. can get some nice artifacts out of it too. tracks | pretty well, | >>doesn't have the second octave down that the boss has (boss | has one and two | >>down if i remember correctly). | >> | >> | >>i've been trying to get one of the boutique pedal | manufacturers to make a | >>low octave (or one and two octave) pedal that will also do | the fuzz thang. | >>i'd like them to make it so that the fuzz and octave are discrete and | >>blendable versus the original signal. so far no takers. | anyone else think | >>that this would be useful? it would be kinda cool if we could get a | >>grassroots thing that would make one of these people | interested in filling | >a | >>niche that isn't being met yet. ideas????? | >> | >>someone mentioned the interzone cd; thanks for the nice words. alex is | >>really easy to play with (a total mofo too i might add). | >> | >>steve lawson, welcome to ld. now we're on two lists together . . . | >> | >>stig | >> | __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 7 12:09:16 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA11937; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 12:09:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2000 12:09:16 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2000 08:46:27 -0700 From: "Mike Biffle" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, Echoechoparkpark@aol.com Subject: Re: DJRND2 arrived from France Resent-Message-ID: <"xD6Mi2.0.gA2.DCWxu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13335 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > Dang, guys, sounds like a great excuse to come up, but I'm such a working stiff these days - I was supposed to have Friday off, but everything changes. I might take next week off... feeling whimsical... We're talkin what - 5 hours L.A. to Scruz? eric p echo park I guess Dave's going to have it at least through next week. Not sure how much time he has nightly to play with it... I'll check it out tonight! My couch is your couch Eric! -Miko From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 7 12:10:46 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA12270; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 12:10:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2000 12:10:46 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: pcamann@csc.com X-Lotus-FromDomain: CSC To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-ID: <852568BA.00586CC4.00@csc.com> Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2000 12:06:23 -0400 Subject: Re:OT: Octave Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"oIOmk1.0.Lq2.JUWxu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13338 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >i've been trying to get one of the boutique pedal manufacturers to make a >low octave (or one and two octave) pedal that will also do the fuzz thang. >i'd like them to make it so that the fuzz and octave are discrete and >blendable versus the original signal. so far no takers. anyone else think >that this would be useful? it would be kinda cool if we could get a >grassroots thing that would make one of these people interested in filling >a niche that isn't being met yet. ideas????? Have you tried the MXR Blue Box (Jimmy Page guitar solo on "Fool in the Rain"), or it's perverse cousing, the DOD Buzz Box? The latter has distortion, double-octave-below, tone control and effect level. With a minor tweak (adding a resistor internally), the double-octave level can be tamed somewhat to make it actually musically useful. Works great on trumpet. See the Harmony-Central reviews. Paul Camann From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 7 12:15:00 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA13263; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 12:15:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2000 12:15:00 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38EDE865.D58753A0@toddreynolds.com> Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2000 09:53:42 -0400 From: Todd Reynolds Reply-To: todd@toddreynolds.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Steve Reich & Musicians References: <2f.38e7b31.261e50eb@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"9HD1D3.0.Y-2.qXWxu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13339 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com is there more here already that i missed in this thread? todd Echophazer@aol.com wrote: > Please send me as much steve reich mail as possible. > > Peter -- NOTE NEW CONTACT INFORMATION BELOW!!! ========================================== ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The Unexamined Life is Not Worth Living -- Plato Todd Reynolds 42-09 47th Ave. Apt. 1C Sunnyside, NY 11104 718 392-3773 phone 917 576-6166 cell phone 419 781-5502 fax todd@toddreynolds.com http://www.toddreynolds.com Paint As You Like, and Die Happy... -- Henry Miller From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 7 12:32:28 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA15368; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 12:32:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2000 12:32:28 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: kamlapati.khalsa@philips.com To: Subject: Santa Cruz Jam Logistics Message-ID: <0056910004466878000002L182*@MHS> Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2000 11:26:59 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; name="MEMO 04/07/00 11:31:05" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by rosy.yourwebhost.com id MAA14707 Resent-Message-ID: <"Aws0j3.0.2c3.jnWxu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13340 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com All, Wow! I live in Sunnyvale and would happily travel to S.C. on a SUnday afternoon, or anywhere in N. California on almost any day, for a loop jam. FYI, I am a guitarist, with EDP, holding my ground half way between traditional jazz chord solos and ambient. I am looking forward to meeting you all. Sign me up. Kamlapati Khalsa From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 7 12:41:40 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA17083; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 12:41:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2000 12:41:40 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <005c01bfa0b0$3668f680$9b7b79a5@cliff> From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" To: Subject: Re: Re:OT: Octave Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2000 09:41:55 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Resent-Message-ID: <"mUwOL1.0.X24.xxWxu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13343 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I want to thank all who responded so far to my inquiry re Octave units- I certainly have plenty to seek out and try now- I suppose the EH Microsynth is one that stands out and the Blue Box is something I need to hear although I really would like 100% clean option with solid tracking- which the Blue Box is clearly NOT supposed to do by design- I will also want to check out the Digitech whammy as having dynamic foot control over the octave effect would be great- this does bring into mind looking into all-in-ones ie GT-3/GT5 etc but I am more fond of individuals- but you sure cant program em the way you can a multi....hmmm- getting more interesting pondering all the time... there just seems to always be a trade off when you look into all-in ones- - - Does anyone know if any of these have a programmable 1/4" out whereby you could have certain patches where the expression pedal would be controlling the EDP feedback? Thanks again all- Cliff From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 7 12:42:42 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA17190; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 12:42:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2000 12:42:42 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38EE0F24.AE11A21F@latrobe.edu.au> Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2000 02:39:00 +1000 From: "b.knox" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: eyeball ... was Re: Octave References: <20000407095717.21050.qmail@web118.yahoomail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"SozGd.0.o44.myWxu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13344 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com John Tidwell wrote: > > Here's something new............ > > http://purpleaudio.com/eyeball.html > > I saw a brief mention of it in Keyboard. I think > the list price is around $600. > and some way useful specs! my distortion is already bad .. i wonder what this would do? From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 7 12:39:35 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA16743; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 12:39:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2000 12:39:35 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: become2@fast.net Message-ID: <007a01bfa0af$1a032d40$8b5c5cd1@become> To: Subject: volume pedal help Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2000 12:26:58 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0040_01BFA08C.9131F860" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: <"JkEOd2.0.Fw3.ouWxu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13341 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0040_01BFA08C.9131F860 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I just got a used ernie ball volume pedal--my first volume pedal--and = find it produces a very slight, gradual increase until the last 1/2" of = travel, when it suddenly goes through the entire usable range--as if = it's logarithmic rather than linear. I'm finding it hard to use = effectively for anything but full on-full off shifts, when what I want = is the ability to modulate volume more subtly. So my question: is this = normal? Do I just need to work on my technique, or is there something = I'm missing? another pedal that might work better for my needs? =20 thanks for any and all help-- Bruce Comens ------=_NextPart_000_0040_01BFA08C.9131F860 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I just got a used ernie ball volume pedal--my first = volume=20 pedal--and find it produces a very slight, gradual increase until the = last 1/2"=20 of travel, when it suddenly goes through the entire usable range--as if = it's=20 logarithmic rather than linear.  I'm finding it hard to use=20 effectively for anything but full on-full off shifts, when what I want = is the=20 ability to modulate volume more subtly.  So my question:  = is this=20 normal?  Do I just need to work on my technique, or is there = something I'm=20 missing?  another pedal that might work better for my needs? =20
thanks for any and all help--
Bruce Comens
------=_NextPart_000_0040_01BFA08C.9131F860-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 7 12:52:45 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA18266; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 12:52:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2000 12:52:45 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: become2@fast.net Message-ID: <007b01bfa0af$1bc85ce0$8b5c5cd1@become> To: Subject: unsubscribe problem--a different one! Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2000 12:34:03 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_006F_01BFA08D.8E6CEF80" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: <"yitr7.0.iw3.uuWxu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13342 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_006F_01BFA08D.8E6CEF80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I hate to contribute to the unsubscribe thread, but at least this is a = different problem: =20 Having set up a new email account in the US, I've been trying to = unsubscribe from my old account in Italy. But the message keeps getting = rejected by the server because the destination isn't accepted. It's the = right destination (Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com) and it = obviously worked when i signed on--also when I signed on thru my new = account. So I'm now getting double mailings, and would like to get rid = of the echo. any suggestions? Kim?? Bruce Comens ------=_NextPart_000_006F_01BFA08D.8E6CEF80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I hate to contribute to the unsubscribe thread, but = at least=20 this is a different problem:  
Having set up a new email account in the US, I've = been trying=20 to unsubscribe from my old account in Italy.  But the message keeps = getting=20 rejected by the server because the destination isn't accepted.  = It's the=20 right destination (Loopers-Delight-re= quest@annihilist.com)=20 and it obviously worked when i signed on--also when I signed on thru my = new=20 account.  So I'm now getting double mailings, and would like to get = rid=20 of the echo.  any suggestions?   Kim??
Bruce Comens
------=_NextPart_000_006F_01BFA08D.8E6CEF80-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 7 13:29:13 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA22575; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 13:29:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2000 13:29:13 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <001b01bfa0b5$b785fec0$9b7b79a5@cliff> From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" To: Subject: Re: volume pedal help Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2000 10:21:26 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0018_01BFA07B.082DBCE0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Resent-Message-ID: <"ASh-z.0.SA5.0XXxu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13345 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01BFA07B.082DBCE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable These paedals are great- sounds like yours is in need of adjustment or = repair- your description does not sound normal for these- you might try = adjusting the position of the pot if possible- otherwise you can send it = to Ernie Ball direct and they will overhaul it for $45 - they can also = make it stereo and can also place the jacks on the back instead of the = sides- for more $ of course. Cliff -----Original Message----- From: become2@fast.net To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Friday, April 07, 2000 9:57 AM Subject: volume pedal help =20 =20 I just got a used ernie ball volume pedal--my first volume = pedal--and find it produces a very slight, gradual increase until the = last 1/2" of travel, when it suddenly goes through the entire usable = range--as if it's logarithmic rather than linear. I'm finding it hard = to use effectively for anything but full on-full off shifts, when what I = want is the ability to modulate volume more subtly. So my question: is = this normal? Do I just need to work on my technique, or is there = something I'm missing? another pedal that might work better for my = needs? =20 thanks for any and all help-- Bruce Comens ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01BFA07B.082DBCE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
These paedals are great- sounds like = yours is in=20 need of adjustment or repair- your description does not sound normal for = these-  you might try adjusting the position of the pot if = possible-=20 otherwise you can send it to Ernie Ball direct and they will overhaul it = for $45=20 - they can also make it stereo and can also place the jacks on the back = instead=20 of the sides- for more $ of course.
 
Cliff
 
-----Original = Message-----
From:=20 become2@fast.net <become2@fast.net>
To: = Loopers-Delight@annihilist= .com=20 <Loopers-Delight@annihilist= .com>
Date:=20 Friday, April 07, 2000 9:57 AM
Subject: volume pedal=20 help

I just got a used ernie ball volume pedal--my = first volume=20 pedal--and find it produces a very slight, gradual increase until = the last=20 1/2" of travel, when it suddenly goes through the entire usable = range--as if it's logarithmic rather than linear.  I'm finding=20 it hard to use effectively for anything but full on-full off = shifts,=20 when what I want is the ability to modulate volume more = subtly. =20 So my question:  is this normal?  Do I just need to work = on my=20 technique, or is there something I'm missing?  another pedal = that might=20 work better for my needs? 
thanks for any and all help--
Bruce=20 Comens
------=_NextPart_000_0018_01BFA07B.082DBCE0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 7 13:42:19 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA23884; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 13:42:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2000 13:42:19 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2000 10:24:36 -0700 From: "Mike Biffle" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, kamlapati.khalsa@philips.com Subject: Re: Santa Cruz Jam Logistics Resent-Message-ID: <"TcTob1.0.6P5.xdXxu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13346 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi Kamlapati... Nice to hear from you! I'm saving replies to this thread and will wait a while longer, then book a sunday and see what happens... I'll notify the list with the date in the next couple weeks. It will probably be in may or june. Best, -Miko >>> 04/07 9:31 AM >>> All, Wow! I live in Sunnyvale and would happily travel to S.C. on a SUnday afternoon, or anywhere in N. California on almost any day, for a loop jam. FYI, I am a guitarist, with EDP, holding my ground half way between traditional jazz chord solos and ambient. I am looking forward to meeting you all. Sign me up. Kamlapati Khalsa From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 7 13:37:01 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA23258; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 13:37:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2000 13:37:01 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000407173144.11802.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [205.155.29.49] From: "David Potter" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2000 10:31:44 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"XMM563.0.0b5.XkXxu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13347 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Om Go Loop yourself >From: "Mike Bruggeman" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >To: >Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 16:03:29 -0400 > >TAKE US OFF OF YOUR LIST IMMEDIATELY!!!!!!!! >I HAVE NEVER GOT SO MUCH E-MAIL THAT WAS WORTHLESS TO US. WE HAVE GOOTEN >OVER 4 E-MAILS TODAY FROM JUST YOUR SITE. WE ARE NOT INTERESTED. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 7 13:44:26 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA24417; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 13:44:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2000 13:44:26 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000407173903.80033.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [205.155.29.49] From: "David Potter" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: SOT Loopy transportation >>> Santa Cruz Loop JAM logistics... Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2000 10:39:03 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"Idvoz.0.Pk5.OrXxu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13348 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hey Miko I'm looking forward to seeing you at 6:30pm???or 7pm at my house. Should I unhook the DJRND2 and have you loop it into your rig??? I want you to be able to have at it with a free reign. Om and Loop and Out Papa Dave >From: "Mike Biffle" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, jonathan@full-moon.com >Subject: RE: SOT Loopy transportation >>> Santa Cruz Loop JAM logistics... >Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 13:52:30 -0700 > > > How many people are thinking of showing up? Perhaps a list of the >equipment (not too detailed!! please!!) you play so we can get an idea >of what kind of line up/format we would have would be good. > >Hi Jonathan... I've left a message at the rehearsal space asking for >available friday or saturday eve times... When I get a call back, I'll >post that to the list with a call to arms from interested players. > >There's a GOOD amount of floor space at this place as well as a >stage. Not using the stage and fanning out in a circle setup would >probably accomodate 6-10 people with a fair amount of floor equipment. >I'm talking about 4' x 6' sort of space per player... speakers might >need to be elevated or added to the space equation... > >SIDE NOTE: Tomorrow night, Friday 4-7, I'm heading down to David >Potter's studio to check out Perille's DJRND2. If anyone else is >interested in seeing this unit and testing it, please speak up today >so we can get you dialed in on the directions to David's house etc. >We're going to get started around 7:00pm. > > > Could we/would we want to all go into one mixer, rather than >dealing with separate amplifications, since there will probably be >enough headaches and extension cables from all the gear as it is. This >is especially the case if we intend to record it. I can bring a >DATMAN, and lots of tape. > >There is a fairly large pa there which we could all give stereo feeds >to... Sometimes it becomes really hairy with monitoring for >individuals though... If we ALL get feeds to the main board and >provide our own monitors that would work. House monitoring would >probably be a mess... > >I've found it simpler sometimes to put out a pair of stereo mics in >the room (or possibly more) and let everyone take care of their own >speaker placement. It also localizes the various players sounds in the >stereo field... I know that isn't the full-on stereo treatment most of >us are used to, but it's not percieved as full mono either. It's a >compromise which sometimes sounds great. > >-Miko > > > As previously mentioned, I play chapman stick, and trigger >percussive loops on a SP-808, so I get a >bass/lead/rhythm/ambient/percussion kind of thing going. bIz > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Mike Biffle [mailto:mbiffle@svg.com] >Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2000 12:05 PM >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com; gnomesis@yahoo.com >Subject: RE: SOT Loopy transportation, and Location was Re: >bizarrepedalswasRe: Regeneration with Boomerang > >I'll call the hall manager and find an evening slot. I'll TRY to get >a friday or saturday, and I'll book it for 7:00pm until ??? Maybe >midnite? I'll report the available times in a call for players >probably early next week. I'd venture that it will be at least a month >away at the earliest... > >-Miko > > >>> "Javier Miranda V." 04/06 3:41 AM >>> >That sounds like a great idea. > >Subject: SOT Loopy transportation, and Location was Re: bizarre >pedalswasRe: Regeneration with Boomerang > >Miko >I could rent rehearsal space here in Santa Cruz some evening for a >free-for-all jam / party. It's not very swanky, but I believe it's >electrically sound and big enough for 6-10 of us in a circle >format... We'd HAVE to record it... -Miko > > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 7 13:56:12 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA25662; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 13:56:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2000 13:56:12 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2000 10:50:28 -0700 From: "Mike Biffle" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, papadave55@hotmail.com Subject: Re: DJRND2 in Santa Cruz tonight! (at David Potter's) Resent-Message-ID: <"BkrE-1.0.786.N0Yxu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13349 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Maybe wait and see... It should be pretty easy to repatch if we want to juggle around. It may be just as easy to test it using your rig... Let's just figure it out then. See ya around 6:30-ish! -Miko >>> "David Potter" 04/07 10:43 AM >>> Hey Miko I'm looking forward to seeing you at 6:30pm???or 7pm at my house. Should I unhook the DJRND2 and have you loop it into your rig??? I want you to be able to have at it with a free reign. Om and Loop and Out Papa Dave From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 7 15:16:24 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA02949; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 15:16:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2000 15:16:24 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <7BAC931E644ED211A90C00805F65CB640507CEA6@georgia.exchange.indiana.edu> From: "Taaffe, Denis G" To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" , papadave55@hotmail.com Subject: RE: DJRND2 in Santa Cruz tonight! (at David Potter's) Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2000 13:55:16 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <"3d6Pa3.0.uU.J9Zxu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13350 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hmmm....yes, maybe I can fly in from indiana....not -----Original Message----- From: Mike Biffle [mailto:mbiffle@svg.com] Sent: Friday, April 07, 2000 12:50 PM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com; papadave55@hotmail.com Subject: Re: DJRND2 in Santa Cruz tonight! (at David Potter's) Maybe wait and see... It should be pretty easy to repatch if we want to juggle around. It may be just as easy to test it using your rig... Let's just figure it out then. See ya around 6:30-ish! From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 7 15:32:14 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA04636; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 15:32:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2000 15:32:14 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C41303A5@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: Front BC, Lynn Johnston, stinson/liebig/berardi @ No Future Cafe Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2000 14:39:39 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.10) Resent-Message-ID: <"UyDTy.0.I-.7QZxu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13352 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com sorry for the late notice. stinson/liebig/berardi@ The address is 1500 E. Walnut (cross-street: Harkness), Pasadena 91106. USA Apparently, they only have a pay-phone at the cafe. There is a website at: www.greenheart.com/pfc/nofuture (we are supposed to play at 10 p.m.) g.e. stinson: guitars, implements, loopage, etc. steuart liebig: basses, applied technology, loopage joe berardi: drumset/percussion ++ ?? with Front BC, Lynn Johnston @ No Future Cafe Date: Friday, April 7, 2000 Time: 8:00PM - 12:00AM PDT (GMT-07:00) Front BC - Brian Christopherson - dr Gardo Ramirez - gt, bs Jeremy Keller - gt Rich - kbd In Pasadena Will update w/ address, phone# From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 7 15:23:58 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA03714; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 15:23:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2000 15:23:58 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38EE314D.652A@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2000 12:04:45 -0700 From: scott kungha drengsen X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-MACOS8 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Santa Cruz Jam Logistics References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Tdafs1.0.lo.dIZxu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13351 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi Miko, I'm very interested in getting together and Sun.usually works great for me too. Please keep me in mind. Scott Kungha Drengsen http://www.basscapes.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 7 15:47:14 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA06398; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 15:47:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2000 15:47:14 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <001301bfa0c7$42d73780$b8425b80@upenn.edu> From: "David Petrozzi" To: References: <005c01bfa0b0$3668f680$9b7b79a5@cliff> Subject: Re: Re:OT: Octave Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2000 15:27:06 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"J7yQH.0.701.6RZxu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13353 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > I will also want to check out the Digitech whammy A friend and I just tried it this afternoon (he has the original). It's built like a tank, but they've changed the components. I was unimpressed with the reissue and would not recommend it-the original is much superior in my opinion. Something to consider... ~dp ____________________________ A disciplined mind brings happiness. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 7 16:15:30 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA09011; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 16:15:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2000 16:15:30 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38EE3DA1.688A@club-internet.fr> Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2000 21:57:21 +0200 From: PERILLE Reply-To: perille@club-internet.fr X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 [fr]C-CLUB (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: DJRND2 in Santa Cruz tonight! (at David Potter's) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"fnESF2.0.im1.2rZxu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13354 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Mike Biffle [mailto:mbiffle@svg.com] > Sent: Friday, April 07, 2000 12:50 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com; papadave55@hotmail.com > Subject: Re: DJRND2 in Santa Cruz tonight! (at David Potter's) > > > Maybe wait and see... It should be pretty easy to repatch if we want > to juggle around. It may be just as easy to test it using your rig... > Let's just figure it out then. See ya around 6:30-ish! > > Hmmm....yes, maybe I can fly in from indiana....not I am even ready to lend it a bit longer to Dave if you wanna check it out coming from Indiana Emmanuel From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 7 18:39:19 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA22158; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 18:39:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2000 18:39:19 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2000 18:31:19 EDT Subject: Re: DJRND2/west coast beer loop love fest sunday tea....... To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 61 Resent-Message-ID: <"NTIV42.0.qG5.V7cxu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13356 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 4/7/00 3:08:55 PM Mid-Atlantic Daylight Time, mbiffle@svg.com writes: << My couch is your couch Eric! >> i think theres a song in here someplace..............or is it one of those "west coast" things.............i hope that you all do get together and put out a set of cds...........that would be great..............the whole world is watchin...............:)...............michael From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 7 18:39:39 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA22194; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 18:39:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2000 18:39:39 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: panix3.panix.com: tonobung owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2000 18:21:59 -0400 (EDT) From: "r. dennis" To: "looper's delight" Subject: market(ing) correction Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"7kj_73.0.0_4.9-bxu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13355 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com deatils of show announced yesterday on list somewhat below accurate. re: anti:clockwise at ft. thunder sat. 4/15 for "bikini kill" read "le tigre" sorry for error a:c From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 7 21:23:54 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA04633; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 21:23:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2000 21:23:54 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38EE85F6.F18BA7B6@virtulink.com> Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2000 21:05:58 -0400 From: David Beardsley Organization: SSI X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: References: <004201bfa003$2e52fd40$a11cc9d8@bruggeman> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"nqlGl.0.Iu.2Pexu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13357 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > Mike Bruggeman wrote: > > TAKE US OFF OF YOUR LIST IMMEDIATELY!!!!!!!! > I HAVE NEVER GOT SO MUCH E-MAIL THAT WAS WORTHLESS TO US. WE HAVE > GOOTEN OVER 4 E-MAILS TODAY FROM JUST YOUR SITE. WE ARE NOT > INTERESTED. 4 whole emailz? I get about 100 - 200 a day from various lists. Big deal. -- * D a v i d B e a r d s l e y * xouoxno@virtulink.com * * 49/32 R a d i o "all microtonal, all the time" * M E L A v i r t u a l d r e a m house monitor * * http://www.virtulink.com/immp/lookhere.htm From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Apr 8 04:54:17 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA13451; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 04:54:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2000 04:54:17 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <007a01bfa0af$1a032d40$8b5c5cd1@become> References: <007a01bfa0af$1a032d40$8b5c5cd1@become> Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2000 05:55:46 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: volume pedal help Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"L0FNi1.0.AC3.FBlxu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13358 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Re: volume pedal help
I just got a used ernie ball volume pedal--my first volume pedal--and find it produces a very slight, gradual increase until the last 1/2" of travel, when it suddenly goes through the entire usable range--as if it's logarithmic rather than linear.  I'm finding it hard to use effectively for anything but full on-full off shifts, when what I want is the ability to modulate volume more subtly.  So my question:  is this normal?  Do I just need to work on my technique, or is there something I'm missing?  another pedal that might work better for my needs?
thanks for any and all help--
Bruce Comens

This can also happen if you connect the pedal to a lower impedance that its potentiomenter is.


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From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Apr 8 05:10:17 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA14796; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 05:10:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2000 05:10:17 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <86.215d3e5.26204f8d@aol.com> Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2000 05:02:05 EDT Subject: Re: OT: Octave To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 32 Resent-Message-ID: <"Dbfzt3.0.yT3.qMlxu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13359 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 06/04/00 20:33:18 GMT Daylight Time, steve@steve-lawson.co.uk writes: > Thanks! Any other bassists on here? It's my first instrument.(Fender jazz fretless) Though lately I've been playing more guitar, especially for looping. Andy Butler From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Apr 8 10:14:45 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA03534; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 10:14:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2000 10:14:45 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Echophazer@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2000 10:09:10 EDT Subject: Re: eyeball ... was Re: Octave To: b.knox@latrobe.edu.au, Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 14 Resent-Message-ID: <"ZxPKZ2.0.3p.Mtpxu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13360 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com $600 and specs that lead me to believe half the signal out is noise? What justifies the price? It must be those googley eyes on the knobs! From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Apr 8 11:04:49 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA07589; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 11:04:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2000 11:04:49 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2000 11:01:50 EDT Subject: Re: volume pedal help To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 32 Resent-Message-ID: <"D-hVr2.0.-o1.1eqxu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13361 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 07/04/00 17:39:33 GMT Daylight Time, become2@fast.net writes: > I just got a used ernie ball volume pedal--my first volume pedal--and find it > produces a very slight, gradual increase until the last 1/2" of travel, when > it suddenly goes through the entire usable range--as if it's logarithmic > rather than linear. most vol peds are log. as someone else mentioned your most likely suffering from the low impedance of one of the devices connected. The solution Swap round the input and output jacks on the vol ped, it may work. Andy Butler Lexicon Vortex Database http://members.aol.com/soundfnr/vortex.htm From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Apr 8 13:08:12 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA19259; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 13:08:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2000 13:08:12 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Echoechoparkpark@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2000 13:04:39 EDT Subject: Re: Loop friendly places to play To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 189 Resent-Message-ID: <"IvZIS.0.Ad4.9Rsxu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13362 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 4/7/0 3:02:19 AM, PJBMHB@aol.com writes: >are knitting factories going to become like hardrock cafes? i want my >knitting factory, london tee-shirt! =-) PJ Now that's a kind of corporate world-domination strategy I could live with. How about Knitting Factory Las Vegas! I think it'd be a whole new market for adventurous musicians - I just don't get enough ambient guitar gigs for drunk old gamblers and tourists these days. eric p echo park From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Apr 8 13:58:05 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA23409; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 13:58:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2000 13:58:05 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38EF73C1.78F6@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2000 11:00:34 -0700 From: scott kungha drengsen X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-MACOS8 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: OT:bassists References: <86.215d3e5.26204f8d@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"KAiGA1.0.sd5.D8txu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13364 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com SoundFNR@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 06/04/00 20:33:18 GMT Daylight Time, > steve@steve-lawson.co.uk writes: > > > Thanks! Any other bassists on here? > It's my first instrument.(Fender jazz fretless) > Though lately I've been playing more guitar, especially > for looping. > Andy Butler I play 6-string fretless,6 string EUB,(Day Job and looping)acoustic bass guitar and upright bass(very occasional day job,never looped yet) Even as I write this,a 12 string fretless is coming into being that I anticipate will be my main looping bass. What's up Stig? Jesus? Bobdog(with your basslike thingies:)and,(please forgive me for not knowing your contact info(I've been meaning to find you)the man who loops upright electric electric bass bowed w/computer software he writes himself !! Scott Kungha Drengsen http://www.basscapes.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Apr 8 14:01:11 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA23799; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 14:01:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2000 14:01:11 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Echoechoparkpark@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2000 13:58:09 EDT Subject: Re: Re:OT: Octave To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown sub 189 Resent-Message-ID: <"7ngmt1.0.8l5.JDtxu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13365 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 4/7/0 9:42:24 AM, bienappraisers@mindspring.com writes: >I suppose the EH Microsynth > is one that stands out and the Blue Box is something I need to hear although >I really would like 100% clean option with solid tracking- The Micro SYnth is definitely worth investigating, but it doesn't pass the cleanest direct signal, either, especially when you have a filter sweep or cut dialed in, the guitar signal is also affected. When trying it out, I suggest setting the filters (start and stop freqs.) all the way up, the resonance all the way down, and Rate all the way down. This should pass the cleanest guitar signal. You'll want to start with thw Guitar level all the way up. Then dial in your octaves (one up and one down) and square wave (which is a cool distortion/fuzz). I like to bring the start/stop freq. filters down to temper the fizz a bit, but unfortunately the trade-off is that you'll be cutting the direct guitar's highs, too. But you might find a happy medium. Great pedal. Try the Bass version, too it has a warmer, thicker filter section. These can be had for about $240, I bought one at cost for $190 I think. > I will also want to check out the Digitech whammy as having dynamic >foot control over the octave effect would be great- this does bring into >mind looking into all-in-ones ie GT-3/GT5 etc but I am more fond of >individuals- but you sure cant program em the way you can a multi....hmmm- >getting more interesting pondering all the time... there just seems to >always be a trade off when you look into all-in ones- - - I am very much a pedal guy, I love working with them like little modules and arranging them however I please each night, always trying new/old stuff... ...BUT... I picked up a GT-5 because it was great deal ($250 used, but never used!), AND... it's really great! I'm having a great time and the OCTAVES are, I believe VERY GOOD. Combining the octaves with compressor/preamp/eq/filtered reverb, etc. really makes for some good, solid, tones. I have dialed natural sounding octaves both one and two below or above and the tracking is impressive. But I also have more extreme sizzling/throbbing high and low stuff going on. It DEFINITELY takes some considerate tweaking to make a good pitch shift - don't be turned off by the factory presets, they are almost all very lame. I have a very easy time programming the GT, I've only glanced at the manual a coule of times to learn out to arrange effect order, etc. If buying new, it seems the newer, smaller GT-3 is the bargain unit, but I prefer the 5. I don't think I'd pay full price for a new one, though, they should really drop the price on them. > > Does anyone know if any of these have a programmable 1/4" out whereby >you could have certain patches where the expression pedal would be >controlling the EDP feedback? Not via 1/4", but I believe you could assign the EXP pedal to a MIDI cc# if the plex will do feedback control via MIDI. The myriad possibilities of implementing the GT's pedal is really cool. Hey Miko - am I right about this? Miko and LD'er David Coffin are long time GT-5 users. eric p echo park From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Apr 8 14:05:57 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA24148; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 14:05:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2000 14:05:57 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <00b801bfa184$999b25a0$062cf7c2@abc.zetnet.co.uk> From: "steve lawson" To: Subject: Re: OT:bassists Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2000 19:01:46 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"6sMME3.0.nr5.WHtxu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13366 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >I play 6-string fretless,6 string EUB,(Day Job and looping)acoustic bass >guitar and upright bass(very occasional day job,never looped yet) >Even as I write this,a 12 string fretless is coming into being that I >anticipate will be my main looping bass. >What's up Stig? Jesus? Bobdog(with your basslike thingies:)and,(please >forgive me for not knowing your contact info(I've been meaning to find >you)the man who loops upright electric electric bass bowed w/computer >software he writes himself !! >Scott Kungha Drengsen >http://www.basscapes.com Sounds good - I'll have to check out your page.. Andy, it's interesting that you choose guitar over bass for looping - why's that? I find that the range of sounds that I can get with a bass is more than I could with a guitar (that's not to say that there aren't guitarists doing interesting loop stuff, just that I can't imagine bass being so limited as to have to switch to guitar for looping stuff...) I use a 6 string fretless, 4 string fretted and 5 string 'amplicoustic' bass, and get a pretty wide range of sounds... Have a listen to the real audio on my site, if you like! :o) cheers Steve http://www.steve-lawson.co.uk - subscribe to my new mailing list here. steve@steve-lawson.co.uk "I know there's a balance, I see it every time I swing past." - John Mellencamp From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Apr 8 14:21:37 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA25783; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 14:21:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2000 14:21:37 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Echoechoparkpark@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2000 14:18:18 EDT Subject: Re: eyeball ... To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 189 Resent-Message-ID: <"4pzmh.0.OD6.OWtxu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13367 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 4/8/0 7:14:38 AM, Echophazer@aol.com writes: >$600 and specs that lead me to believe half the signal out is noise? What >justifies the price? It must be those googley eyes on the knobs! I played with it at NAMM - it's pretty cool. One of the easier filter things I've tried, yet still unpredictable in a fun way. Sort of a Meatball in a rack, and actually has pretty darn good fidelity from what I remember. But the Meatball being a pedal is so easy to take around, it's very handy for me. Is that list price? Getting into Sherman Filterbank territory, and to me that's the best sounding one I've heard. Interesting times for filter fans - Filter Factory is very cool and does MIDI sync! They have a new Stereo Filter Queen, too. I guess we can thank the modern DJ/dance music crowd for all this! eric p echo park From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Apr 8 14:20:05 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA25597; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 14:20:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2000 14:20:05 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <000f01bfa183$39501300$a4c918d0@ispchannel.com> From: "Timothy" To: Subject: Looking for Drum Loops Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2000 12:52:34 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"wRwIw1.0.ra5.56txu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13363 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I'm searching for some good samples of drum beats for used with some loop-based music I'm doing. I bought some of the "loops for acid" cds and a steinberg "sounds & cycles" cd. They have some funky segments but I'd still like more, more more!!!!! Basically I need .WAV files of drum beats and riffs that I can loop. Does anyone know of or have any resources they can tell me about? The styles I'm interested in are organic drum sounds (i.e. actual drums, not rhythms done by layering tweaked analog synth sounds or vocal percussion) funk / house / groove / and hard rock. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Apr 8 14:37:48 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA27256; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 14:37:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2000 14:37:48 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2000 11:39:55 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel) Subject: Re: OT:bassists Resent-Message-ID: <"hFeaC1.0.tZ6.Altxu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13368 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com My job has put me into deep-lurk mode on this list lately, but I loop 6-string bass and 5-string piccolo bass, my live pedal-board has a Line-6 DL4 and a boomerang, plus I also have a JamMan, a Vortex and a number of cheap analog and digital delays I've acquired over the years. I also loop keyboards, modular synth, tapes, and just about anything else that makes a noise. One recent strategy has been to fill a boss SP202 with sounds from the gig, ambient noise, opening bands, etc, and through that into the mix. In a few weeks, we'll be debuting minus+, which is us plus monster bassist Fred Chalenor, we'll be playing and recording in Seattle soon. >>I play 6-string fretless,6 string EUB,(Day Job and looping)acoustic bass >>guitar and upright bass(very occasional day job,never looped yet) >>Even as I write this,a 12 string fretless is coming into being that I >>anticipate will be my main looping bass. >>What's up Stig? Jesus? Bobdog(with your basslike thingies:)and,(please >>forgive me for not knowing your contact info(I've been meaning to find >>you)the man who loops upright electric electric bass bowed w/computer >>software he writes himself !! >>Scott Kungha Drengsen >>http://www.basscapes.com > > >Sounds good - I'll have to check out your page.. > >Andy, it's interesting that you choose guitar over bass for looping - why's >that? I find that the range of sounds that I can get with a bass is more >than I could with a guitar (that's not to say that there aren't guitarists >doing interesting loop stuff, just that I can't imagine bass being so >limited as to have to switch to guitar for looping stuff...) > >I use a 6 string fretless, 4 string fretted and 5 string 'amplicoustic' >bass, and get a pretty wide range of sounds... Have a listen to the real >audio on my site, if you like! :o) > >cheers > >Steve >http://www.steve-lawson.co.uk - subscribe to my new mailing list here. >steve@steve-lawson.co.uk > >"I know there's a balance, I see it every time I swing past." > - John Mellencamp ____________________________________________ Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org Minus Web Site: http://listen.to/minusmusic Minus MP3's: http://www.mp3.com/-minus- ____________________________________________ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Apr 8 14:52:59 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA28826; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 14:52:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2000 14:52:59 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Echoechoparkpark@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2000 14:36:02 EDT Subject: Re: Re: To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 189 Resent-Message-ID: <"dIiW91.0.5e6.-mtxu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13369 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 4/7/0 6:23:51 PM, xouoxno@virtulink.com writes: >> Mike Bruggeman wrote: >> >> TAKE US OFF OF YOUR LIST IMMEDIATELY!!!!!!!! >> I HAVE NEVER GOT SO MUCH E-MAIL THAT WAS WORTHLESS TO US. WE HAVE >> GOOTEN OVER 4 E-MAILS TODAY FROM JUST YOUR SITE. WE ARE NOT >> INTERESTED. >4 whole emailz? I get about 100 - 200 a day from >various lists. Big deal. No, No. You don't understand the problem. He said OVER 4 E-MAILS! Now *that's* impressive! From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Apr 8 14:53:30 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA28860; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 14:53:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2000 14:53:30 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <007a01bfa18b$ccfe57d0$59310140@concentric.net> From: "Larry Tremblay" To: References: Subject: Re: eyeball ...and other Filters Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2000 14:53:58 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"BvmVP.0.Cs6.Qztxu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13370 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Also worth checking out is Paula Perry's Frostwave pedal. It's based on the same circuitry as the old Korg MS-20 analog synth. In the same vein, are the analog filter modules from Synthtech. And for the price of of an Eyeball you could get one of each, with a little left over for McDonalds. :) - Larry ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, April 08, 2000 2:18 PM Subject: Re: eyeball ... > > In a message dated 4/8/0 7:14:38 AM, Echophazer@aol.com writes: > > >$600 and specs that lead me to believe half the signal out is noise? What > >justifies the price? It must be those googley eyes on the knobs! > > I played with it at NAMM - it's pretty cool. One of the easier filter things > I've tried, yet still unpredictable in a fun way. Sort of a Meatball in a > rack, and actually has pretty darn good fidelity from what I remember. But > the Meatball being a pedal is so easy to take around, it's very handy for me. > Is that list price? Getting into Sherman Filterbank territory, and to me > that's the best sounding one I've heard. Interesting times for filter fans - > Filter Factory is very cool and does MIDI sync! They have a new Stereo Filter > Queen, too. I guess we can thank the modern DJ/dance music crowd for all > this! > > eric p > echo park > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Apr 8 15:01:42 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA29708; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 15:01:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2000 15:01:42 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <009601bfa18d$0ea44310$59310140@concentric.net> From: "Larry Tremblay" To: References: <000f01bfa183$39501300$a4c918d0@ispchannel.com> Subject: Re: Looking for Drum Loops Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2000 15:02:58 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"kKUq23.0.LB7.s5uxu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13371 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Go to Yahoo!, search for "Drum Loops" (include quotes) and there ya go. also, try "Drum samples". One of the best sources is SampleNet. Thousands of loops and sounds for free. - Larry T ----- Original Message ----- From: "Timothy" To: Sent: Saturday, April 08, 2000 1:52 PM Subject: Looking for Drum Loops > I'm searching for some good samples of drum beats for used with some > loop-based music I'm doing. I bought some of the "loops for acid" cds and a > steinberg "sounds & cycles" cd. They have some funky segments but I'd still > like more, more more!!!!! > > > > Basically I need .WAV files of drum beats and riffs that I can loop. Does > anyone know of or have any resources they can tell me about? The styles I'm > interested in are organic drum sounds (i.e. actual drums, not rhythms done by > layering tweaked analog synth sounds or vocal percussion) funk / house / > groove / and hard rock. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Apr 8 15:52:26 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA00876; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 15:52:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2000 15:52:26 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000408193536.80277.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [63.195.54.82] From: "matt davignon" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Looking for Drum Loops Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2000 12:35:36 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"NofH-1.0.Mu7.keuxu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13372 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com There's a drummer on mp3.com named david goode who makes stuff specifically for sampling: http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/27/free_drum_loopzzz.html Matt >From: "Timothy" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >To: >Subject: Looking for Drum Loops >Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2000 12:52:34 -0500 > >I'm searching for some good samples of drum beats for used with some >loop-based music I'm doing. I bought some of the "loops for acid" cds and >a >steinberg "sounds & cycles" cd. They have some funky segments but I'd >still >like more, more more!!!!! > > > >Basically I need .WAV files of drum beats and riffs that I can loop. Does >anyone know of or have any resources they can tell me about? The styles >I'm >interested in are organic drum sounds (i.e. actual drums, not rhythms done >by >layering tweaked analog synth sounds or vocal percussion) funk / house / >groove / and hard rock. > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Apr 8 16:02:13 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA02030; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 16:02:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2000 16:02:13 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000408154844.00793580@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2000 15:48:44 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Re:OT: Octave In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"y3XpS2.0.V7.iouxu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13374 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 01:58 PM 4/8/00 EDT, you wrote: ...(regarding) the EH Microsynth... >> Try the Bass version, too it has a warmer, >thicker filter section. There's something akin to an urban legend circulating about the regular and Bass Microsynths. Supposedly, according to a statement attributed to someone involved with EH's design team, the only difference between the two units is the graphics screened onto the sheet metal case; the electronics inside are identical. (Did you once mention this, Javier, or was it someone else?) On the other hand, I've heard from several people who have owned and used both versions and claim that there IS an audible difference. Does anyone have any privileged info about this that they'd care to share? Tim From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Apr 8 16:02:59 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA02088; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 16:02:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2000 16:02:59 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <003501bfa191$a767f0c0$8f368218@we.mediaone.net> From: "Om_Audio" To: References: Subject: Re: Re:OT: Octave Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2000 12:35:53 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"RUchC1.0.Zw7.9fuxu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13373 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thanks Eric- very helpful response- breaking out my EDP manual later- although if using midi for the feedback control any drum syncing is out- but then again I need to hook up with a real drummer anyway- Thanks again- P.S. I'm in L.A.- let me know the next time you are playing around here- would be nice- Cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, April 08, 2000 10:58 AM Subject: Re: Re:OT: Octave > > In a message dated 4/7/0 9:42:24 AM, bienappraisers@mindspring.com writes: > > >I suppose the EH Microsynth > > is one that stands out and the Blue Box is something I need to hear although > >I really would like 100% clean option with solid tracking- > > The Micro SYnth is definitely worth investigating, but it doesn't pass the > cleanest direct signal, either, especially when you have a filter sweep or > cut dialed in, the guitar signal is also affected. > > When trying it out, I suggest setting the filters (start and stop freqs.) all > the way up, the resonance all the way down, and Rate all the way down. This > should pass the cleanest guitar signal. You'll want to start with thw Guitar > level all the way up. Then dial in your octaves (one up and one down) and > square wave (which is a cool distortion/fuzz). I like to bring the start/stop > freq. filters down to temper the fizz a bit, but unfortunately the trade-off > is that you'll be cutting the direct guitar's highs, too. But you might find > a happy medium. Great pedal. Try the Bass version, too it has a warmer, > thicker filter section. These can be had for about $240, I bought one at cost > for $190 I think. > > > I will also want to check out the Digitech whammy as having dynamic > >foot control over the octave effect would be great- this does bring into > >mind looking into all-in-ones ie GT-3/GT5 etc but I am more fond of > >individuals- but you sure cant program em the way you can a multi....hmmm- > >getting more interesting pondering all the time... there just seems to > >always be a trade off when you look into all-in ones- - - > > I am very much a pedal guy, I love working with them like little modules and > arranging them however I please each night, always trying new/old stuff... > ...BUT... I picked up a GT-5 because it was great deal ($250 used, but never > used!), AND... it's really great! I'm having a great time and the OCTAVES > are, I believe VERY GOOD. Combining the octaves with > compressor/preamp/eq/filtered reverb, etc. really makes for some good, > solid, tones. I have dialed natural sounding octaves both one and two below > or above and the tracking is impressive. But I also have more extreme > sizzling/throbbing high and low stuff going on. It DEFINITELY takes some > considerate tweaking to make a good pitch shift - don't be turned off by the > factory presets, they are almost all very lame. I have a very easy time > programming the GT, I've only glanced at the manual a coule of times to learn > out to arrange effect order, etc. If buying new, it seems the newer, smaller > GT-3 is the bargain unit, but I prefer the 5. I don't think I'd pay full > price for a new one, though, they should really drop the price on them. > > > > > Does anyone know if any of these have a programmable 1/4" out whereby > >you could have certain patches where the expression pedal would be > >controlling the EDP feedback? > > Not via 1/4", but I believe you could assign the EXP pedal to a MIDI cc# if > the plex will do feedback control via MIDI. The myriad possibilities of > implementing the GT's pedal is really cool. > > Hey Miko - am I right about this? Miko and LD'er David Coffin are long time > GT-5 users. > > eric p > echo park > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Apr 8 17:16:34 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA07700; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 17:16:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2000 17:16:34 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2000 14:02:07 -0700 From: "sock s" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sent-Mail: on X-Mailer: MailCity Service Subject: Idea for trans-expression/vol pedal compatability (was Re: volume pedal help) X-Sender-Ip: 216.90.139.12 Organization: N2Mail (http://www.n2mail.com:80) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Language: en Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"P6tBK.0.co1.P2wxu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13375 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com have an idea a simple mod (resistors and a switch?) that could be done to a pedal that would allow you to switch between modes/resistances (I have a Zoom FP01 and would like to use it with Vortex and Echoplex but it has the short-range problem..) or an adapter that is male at one end and female at the other (or female-female etc..) and has a switch that lets you select different impedances and/or resistances or somethings so that different expression/volume pedals can be used interchangeably with different equipment. Ben ---- >>I just got a used ernie ball volume pedal--my first volume pedal--and find it produces a very >>slight, gradual increase until the last 1/2" of travel, when it suddenly goes through the >>entire usable range--as if it's logarithmic rather than linear. I'm finding it hard to use >>effectively for anything but full on-full off shifts, when what I want is the ability to >>modulate volume more subtly. So my question: >>is this normal? Do I just need to work on my technique, or is there something I'm missing? >>another pedal that might work better for my needs? >>thanks for any and all help-- Bruce Comens >> >This can also happen if you connect the pedal to a lower impedance that its potentiomenter is. > > ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org What are you N2? Choose from 150 free e-mail addresses. http://www.n2mail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Apr 8 22:15:35 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA30490; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 22:15:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2000 22:15:35 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Jax1723@aol.com Message-ID: <71.2200ee9.26214047@aol.com> Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2000 22:09:11 EDT Subject: Re: DJRND2 in Santa Cruz tonight! To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 70 Resent-Message-ID: <"ShCNj3.0.VF7.tP-xu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13376 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 4/8/2000 2:39:41 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Loopers-Delight-d-request@annihilist.com writes: > Re: DJRND2 in Santa Cruz tonight! So what's the verdict??? My understanding is that it was primarily designed to be used in a dj setup... how does it translate in other (guitar, bass, percussion, etc.) setups? just curious jack From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Apr 8 23:25:14 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA03646; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 23:25:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2000 23:25:14 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000409030822.42514.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [206.112.217.107] Reply-To: moorelab@hotmail.com From: "tony moore" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: OT:bassists Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2000 23:08:21 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"_f7zQ.0.BZ.6H_xu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13377 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com yep, i'm a loopin' bottom dweller as well :-) like steve, i play a turner renassaince fretless 4 as well as a turner renassaince piccolo fretted 5 among others... i also agree with steve on the sonic range of contemporary basses. in addition to this, the possibilities are now endless with the myriad of pitch effects out there. i use a yamaha spx90 for pitch shifting and a boss harmonizer and digitech spacestation for other 'artificial' note stuff. really tho', whichever instrument allows to you express your ideas the best is cool with me :-) i really dug your ren tracks steve! wonder if the loopers will think you're cute too (an inside bottom line joke) :-) tony ps - i'll be in socal for good in 3 weeks. can't wait to catch all the action! see you soon eric! ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Apr 8 23:35:12 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA04456; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 23:35:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2000 23:35:12 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <000c01bfa1d2$38b2a8a0$bb242ed8@default> Reply-To: "Daniel D. Ferguson" From: "Daniel D. Ferguson" To: Subject: Re: eyeball ...and other Filters Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2000 23:17:55 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"KwWIi2.0.On.mP_xu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13378 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Loopers or Larry, Is there a URL for his Frostwave pedal? Does it sound pretty close to the MS-20 or sound unique? How much do they sell for? thanks, Daniel >Also worth checking out is Paula Perry's Frostwave pedal. >It's based on the same circuitry as the old Korg MS-20 >analog synth. In the same vein, are the analog filter >modules from Synthtech. > >- Larry From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Apr 9 01:57:33 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA21592; Sun, 9 Apr 2000 01:57:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2000 01:57:33 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: ENAT21213@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2000 01:52:54 EDT Subject: loopers with pods? To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 100 Resent-Message-ID: <"IfZm-2.0.FA5.Th1yu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13379 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com anyone out there looping with a pod in there rig? i just picked one up today.....pretty neat piece the one thing thats bugging me though is the latency between program changes........seem like it could be potentially annoying in live situations. i'm using a midi pedal to switch from sound to sound. anyone else experiencing this problem? anyone know if the line 6 pedal board makes the pod react the same? thanks for any advice in advance! brian ebnoise From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Apr 9 03:33:58 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA29755; Sun, 9 Apr 2000 03:33:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2000 03:33:58 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <001b01bfa1f4$d4ac0a40$a4c918d0@ispchannel.com> From: "Timothy" To: References: <000f01bfa183$39501300$a4c918d0@ispchannel.com> <009601bfa18d$0ea44310$59310140@concentric.net> Subject: Re: Looking for Drum Loops Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2000 02:25:49 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"QOoJr1.0.k27.P03yu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13380 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com How ingenious. Boy do I feel dumb. FYI: when I tried it, SampleNet's URL didn't work. But they sound bitchin'. Thanks, Tim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Tremblay" To: Sent: Saturday, April 08, 2000 2:02 PM Subject: Re: Looking for Drum Loops > Go to Yahoo!, search for "Drum Loops" (include quotes) > and there ya go. also, try "Drum samples". > > One of the best sources is SampleNet. Thousands of loops > and sounds for free. > > - Larry T From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Apr 9 06:54:29 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA12201; Sun, 9 Apr 2000 06:54:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2000 06:54:29 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: become2@fast.net Message-ID: <006e01bfa211$0fbc36c0$f70f5cd1@become> To: References: Subject: R: volume pedal help Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2000 06:39:10 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: <"Gaj-12.0._s2.t_5yu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13381 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thanks all for the responses-- I'm running the vol pedal into a dl4 (in the amp effects loop), which doesn't seem very esoteric, but swapping the input and output made a big improvement--still not what I'd like, but definitely usable. I'll also try a stereo pedal when I get a chance, to see if that improves things even more. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Apr 9 08:33:08 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA18902; Sun, 9 Apr 2000 08:33:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2000 08:33:08 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <000501bfa21b$8acd72c0$862cf7c2@abc.zetnet.co.uk> From: "steve lawson" To: "Loop List" Subject: Re: OT:bassists Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2000 12:08:19 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"z0uZ_.0.p74.m67yu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13382 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >yep, i'm a loopin' bottom dweller as well :-) like steve, i play a turner >renassaince fretless 4 as well as a turner renassaince piccolo fretted 5 >among others... Piccolo Renassaince? What a great concept - have you got any sound files? What strings do you have on it.. I actually find looping the Ren a bit of a challenge as the sound is so full that it's difficult to find space on top of it... hence the long solo introduction on 'conversation'... One thing I've learnt from looping is the ability to 'arrange' on the fly... if I'm playing in a band now, I'm constantly listening for where my line fits in the scheme of things, the same as adding another layer to a loop... My emphasis has gone away from the chops and flash stuff that I was into at college all those years ago, onto melody and texture and vibe. I guess that's why I'm so into Bill Frisell - he's got amazing technique, but applies it to tone and sound, not speed and pyrotechnics... > i also agree with steve on the sonic range of contemporary >basses. in addition to this, the possibilities are now endless with the >myriad of pitch effects out there. i use a yamaha spx90 for pitch shifting >and a boss harmonizer and digitech spacestation for other 'artificial' note >stuff. really tho', whichever instrument allows to you express your ideas >the best is cool with me :-) I don't even think that the pitch shift is 'needed', though it is a cool effect... Harmonics on a bass, whether false or natural, are such a great sound, and work so well for looping and layering... >i really dug your ren tracks steve! wonder if the loopers will think you're >cute too (an inside bottom line joke) :-) LOL - I'm glad you like the tunes. :o) Steve http://www.steve-lawson.co.uk - subscribe to my new mailing list here. steve@steve-lawson.co.uk "I know there's a balance, I see it every time I swing past." - John Mellencamp From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Apr 9 10:25:37 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA27078; Sun, 9 Apr 2000 10:25:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2000 10:25:37 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <001c01bfa22d$1be5db60$6a310140@concentric.net> From: "Larry Tremblay" To: "Daniel D. Ferguson" , References: <000c01bfa1d2$38b2a8a0$bb242ed8@default> Subject: Re: eyeball ...and other Filters Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2000 10:08:39 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"fpv32.0.jD6.yt8yu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13383 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Paul's site for the Frostwave and other great products - nice ring modulator called Blue Ringer - can be found at www.frostwave.com. The Frostwave pedal is a clone of the MS-20 resonant filter - it self-oscillates and everything - it's switchable between high-pass and lowpass too. Highly recommended. About $167.00 USD. There's a demo and info at: http://www.frostwave.com/oldindex.html - Larry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel D. Ferguson" To: Sent: Saturday, April 08, 2000 11:17 PM Subject: Re: eyeball ...and other Filters > Loopers or Larry, > Is there a URL for his Frostwave pedal? > Does it sound pretty close to the MS-20 or sound unique? > How much do they sell for? > > thanks, > Daniel > > > > >Also worth checking out is Paula Perry's Frostwave pedal. > >It's based on the same circuitry as the old Korg MS-20 > >analog synth. In the same vein, are the analog filter > >modules from Synthtech. > > > >- Larry > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Apr 9 10:21:48 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA26881; Sun, 9 Apr 2000 10:21:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2000 10:21:48 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <002401bfa22f$0b6b3080$6a310140@concentric.net> From: "Larry Tremblay" To: References: <000f01bfa183$39501300$a4c918d0@ispchannel.com> <009601bfa18d$0ea44310$59310140@concentric.net> <001b01bfa1f4$d4ac0a40$a4c918d0@ispchannel.com> Subject: Re: Looking for Drum Loops Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2000 10:22:31 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"f72gL1.0.LW6.x49yu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13384 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com The whole FutureNet site seems to be down. Phatso's place has 100's of drum loop samples with WAV previews. Annoted with sources too. Excellent. http://www.2xtreme.net/mhat/drums.html Try also: Analog Samples - great source for analog synth and drum sounds. http://www.analoguesamples.com/ There's a billion sites, really... - Larry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Timothy" To: Sent: Sunday, April 09, 2000 3:25 AM Subject: Re: Looking for Drum Loops > How ingenious. Boy do I feel dumb. > > FYI: when I tried it, SampleNet's URL didn't work. But they sound bitchin'. > > Thanks, > Tim > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Larry Tremblay" > To: > Sent: Saturday, April 08, 2000 2:02 PM > Subject: Re: Looking for Drum Loops > > > > Go to Yahoo!, search for "Drum Loops" (include quotes) > > and there ya go. also, try "Drum samples". > > > > One of the best sources is SampleNet. Thousands of loops > > and sounds for free. > > > > - Larry T > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Apr 9 12:50:39 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA07562; Sun, 9 Apr 2000 12:50:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2000 12:50:39 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: SketchyJoe@aol.com Message-ID: <39.37b8621.26220d68@aol.com> Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2000 12:44:24 EDT Subject: dl-4 question To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 102 Resent-Message-ID: <"cAqEd2.0.Zf1.JEByu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13385 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I'm assuming that this has been discussed before, but how much of an effect does the unit have on tone. I'm seriously considering ditching my digitech unit in favor of a device that loops as transparently as possible. Thank you kindly. Later! Joe From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Apr 9 13:00:41 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA08275; Sun, 9 Apr 2000 13:00:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2000 13:00:41 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2000 12:59:15 -0400 Subject: Any new EDPs yet? From: Doug Miller To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <39.37b8621.26220d68@aol.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"wLsRJ3.0.px1.aOByu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13386 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Has anyone gotten one of the new batch of EDPs yet? ______________________________________ Doug Miller Illustrator/graphic designer http://home.columbus.rr.com/dougmiller From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Apr 9 13:34:24 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA11283; Sun, 9 Apr 2000 13:34:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2000 13:34:24 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Apparently-From: Reply-To: From: "Javier Miranda V." To: Subject: RE: Re:OT: Octave Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2000 10:29:03 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20000408154844.00793580@pop.ici.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <"uoidp1.0.SZ2.rtByu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13387 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Yeah, I said something about this before. I have several EH things, and until 1991 I had both MS and BMS (my BMS was stolen from my car). Mike Matthews, owner and designer of a lot of EH stuff, told me years ago that the only difference was the design on the box, since they were the same price, inside they were the same. Even so, I noticed the difference between my MS and my BMS. The BMS had more bottom, more presence. I think Mike's argument was that there was a slight difference in the manufacturing of several electronic parts, and that they all sounded a little bit different. So, the theory goes, you could also end up somewhere comparing an MS and a BMS where the MS had a lot more bottom. But I always had some EQ down the line from the MS, so I made up for the difference after my BMS was gone; but I miss that unit. I once saw a cover band from Lancaster, Pennsylvania, playing Zappa's "Zoot Allures," and the guitarist, all of 16 years-old, I think, was using the EH "Equalizer," whatever it was called, full blast on a lot of frequencies, and he rocked. His tone was incredible. EQ alone is a great help. Another great EH unit was the "Graphic Fuzz," which had variable fuzz with an 8-band EQ built in-- that was great, especially if you could feedback through an amp. I don't know if the next-generation EH MS and BMS are designed the same way as before; I assume they are, since Matthews wants to cash in on the "vintage" craze. In that case, even now the MS and BMS are the same inside but painted different outside. Who knows? Maybe the whole confusion is psychosomatic, where we "want" the BMS to sound fatter than the MS, and so it does. | -----Original Message----- | From: Tim Nelson [mailto:tcn62@ici.net] | Sent: Saturday 08 April 2000 12:49 PM | To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com | Subject: Re: Re:OT: Octave | | | At 01:58 PM 4/8/00 EDT, you wrote: ...(regarding) the EH Microsynth... >> Try the Bass version, too it has a warmer, >thicker filter section. | | There's something akin to an urban legend circulating about the regular and Bass Microsynths. | | Supposedly, according to a statement attributed to someone involved with EH's design team, the only difference between the two units is the graphics screened onto the sheet metal case; the electronics inside are identical. (Did you once mention this, Javier, or was it someone else?) | | On the other hand, I've heard from several people who have owned and usedboth versions and claim that there IS an audible difference. | | Does anyone have any privileged info about this that they'd care to share? | | Tim __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Apr 9 14:04:13 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA13803; Sun, 9 Apr 2000 14:04:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2000 14:04:13 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2000 13:59:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Unit Circle Media To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: OT:bassists In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: unitcirc@keys.com Resent-Message-ID: <"PhqPa1.0.jH3.PKCyu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13388 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I mainly loop with my basses and cello. I haven't tried using my fretless for looping, but I do a lot of looping with my 4 and 8 string basses and my five string electric cello. I'm constantly fooling around with my set-up, but I've put some of my favorite gear arrangements on my web pages: http://www.intonarumori.com/Equipment/index.html Kevin Kevin Goldsmith kevin@unitcircle.com Unit Circle Media http://www.unitcircle.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Apr 9 14:26:36 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA15545; Sun, 9 Apr 2000 14:26:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2000 14:26:36 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2000 11:22:01 -0700 Subject: Re: EH Microsynth differences From: Tiktok To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200004091751.NAA12345@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"PUJF71.0.vj3.GfCyu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13389 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com You're looking for a source more privileged than someone from the EH design team...? My own recollection is that several of the chorus-type units were the same except for the external graphics (this was from a Guitar Shop interview with Mike Matthews). I'm sure you can find people who hear an audible difference in Microsynths (or any gear) of the same model. And then there's Eric Johnson, now claiming he hears a difference in his Fuzz Face if he secures the bottom plate with a rubber band instead of a screw. TravisH > > Supposedly, according to a statement attributed to someone involved with > EH's design team, the only difference between the two units is the graphics > screened onto the sheet metal case; the electronics inside are identical. > (Did you once mention this, Javier, or was it someone else?) > > On the other hand, I've heard from several people who have owned and used > both versions and claim that there IS an audible difference. > > Does anyone have any privileged info about this that they'd care to share? From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Apr 9 15:02:40 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA18497; Sun, 9 Apr 2000 15:02:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2000 15:02:40 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38F0CE40.AD03D657@engin.umich.edu> Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2000 14:38:56 -0400 From: Darcy Clark X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD snapN45b1 (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: online audio/midi collaboration network Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"3XUL5.0.av3.4pCyu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13390 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com this looks pretty cool - it's basically a free version of Logic Audio that is capable of sharing audio and midi projects with other users around the world in essentially real-time. I think this would be a fun thing to use for online looper collaborations....maybe even a weekly online loop session. Please post to the list if you think this could work and we'll try to get something going. http://www.harmony-central.com/Rocket/ cheers, Darcy From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Apr 9 16:09:14 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA23943; Sun, 9 Apr 2000 16:09:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2000 16:09:14 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38F0E29C.6D62@club-internet.fr> Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2000 22:05:48 +0200 From: PERILLE Reply-To: perille@club-internet.fr X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 [fr]C-CLUB (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Mede Mede !!! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"uZp2B1.0.te5.-8Eyu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13392 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mede Mede !!! missing in action : Dave Potter and Mike Biffle Have they been swallowed by the french looper ? Will they survive from the alien machine ? We will probably know it ... or never Same loop time, same loop channel From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Apr 9 16:09:53 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA24002; Sun, 9 Apr 2000 16:09:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2000 16:09:53 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <055a01bfa25e$fc5f6900$a4c918d0@ispchannel.com> From: "Timothy" To: References: Subject: Re: EH Microsynth differences Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2000 15:05:38 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"ELQwh1.0.Qe5.n8Eyu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13391 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com That's not true, is it? Where did you hear that? I'll secure his bottom plate with a screw... ----- Original Message ----- > And then there's Eric Johnson, now > claiming he hears a difference in his Fuzz Face if he secures the bottom > plate with a rubber band instead of a screw. > > TravisH From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Apr 9 18:10:56 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA01006; Sun, 9 Apr 2000 18:10:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2000 18:10:56 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhRG/2wLDcdVseZ17ehpUw2wz0qrHwIUNM2r1tTEZZ2ER4CIYcXDH4HbXms= From: DanKoontz@webtv.net (Dan Koontz) Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2000 14:52:39 -0700 (PDT) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Fwd: Akai S2000 looping Message-ID: <17221-38F0FBA7-1779@storefull-162.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary=WebTV-Mail-20760-1022 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Resent-Message-ID: <"N6rMo2.0.xn7.hkFyu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13393 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com --WebTV-Mail-20760-1022 Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit --WebTV-Mail-20760-1022 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Message/RFC822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhQCIVkYC+dixmto2IeCm/M0XCD1aQIUZcwDfX8zQt2yl4i612ZQRG4iMN8= From: DanKoontz@webtv.net (Dan Koontz) Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2000 02:20:43 -0700 (PDT) To: Loopersdelight@annihilist.com Subject: Akai S2000 looping Message-ID: <11644-38F04B6B-5615@storefull-166.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) I have a question for any experienced S2000 users: when I set a loop within a sample, how do I trim all the sound before the sample starts, so when I trigger the sample, it starts on the loop. What I tried doing was setting te "trim start" and "trim end" points where I wanted the loop to start and end. Then, I would calculate the space between these two numbers (trim end minus trim start), and have that number be the "loop length", but it doesn't let me set a length that long. I haven't found anything in the manual that shows how to do just a loop, no extra sound, I hope the answer isn't too obvious so I look like a jackass, thanks in advance for any advice. - Dan --WebTV-Mail-20760-1022-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Apr 9 20:53:18 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA11924; Sun, 9 Apr 2000 20:53:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2000 20:53:18 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000409234711.43274.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [206.112.217.115] Reply-To: moorelab@hotmail.com From: "tony moore" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Cc: bass@magpie.com Subject: 'artificial' harmonics Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2000 19:47:11 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"yqPkj1.0.ul2.nIIyu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13394 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com steve lawson made a good point about the use of 'artificial' harmonics in extending the bass sonic range in the 'bassist' thread (on the loopers list). i have a vague idea of how to execute this and have certainly heard it on all the obvious jaco stuff. so would anyone care to elaborate on this technique? i've always been intrigued by it but only lately have been in the position to actually use it. so, time to woodshed for a bit :-) thanks for any advice! tony ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Apr 10 02:03:17 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA14660; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 02:03:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 02:03:17 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Apparently-From: Reply-To: From: "Javier Miranda V." To: Subject: RE: online audio/midi collaboration network Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2000 22:32:05 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <38F0CE40.AD03D657@engin.umich.edu> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"p-CWn.0.Wr2.LTMyu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13395 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hey, I downloaded it. I'll be doing some reading then; can we experiment later on this week? This looks pretty cool. Thanks for the tip! | -----Original Message----- | From: Darcy Clark [mailto:darcyc@engin.umich.edu] | Sent: Sunday 09 April 2000 11:39 AM | To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com | Subject: online audio/midi collaboration network | this looks pretty cool - it's basically a free version of Logic Audio | that is capable of sharing audio and midi projects with other users | around the world in essentially real-time. I think this would be a fun | thing to use for online looper collaborations....maybe even a weekly | online loop session. Please post to the list if you think this could | work and we'll try to get something going. | http://www.harmony-central.com/Rocket/ | cheers, | Darcy __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Apr 10 02:34:20 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA17698; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 02:34:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 02:34:20 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38F12F0C.32CFCECC@texas.net> Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 01:32:04 +0000 From: Bobdog/Doghouse Audio Laboratory Reply-To: psbuddha@texas.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: OT:bassists References: <86.215d3e5.26204f8d@aol.com> <38EF73C1.78F6@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"6UTaf3.0.gF4.GKNyu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13396 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com what's this about looping basslike thingies? i loop basslike thingies; a 4 string fender fretless tuned bead; a weird kramer fretless ( what used to be a bass) baritone tuned cgcf with extra drones tuned ccg; fretless tenor tuned cgcf; fretless guitar tuned cgcgcf; & lotsa different soprano rangee thingies. a coupla tune that feature this kinda stuff can be found at: http://www.pseudobuddha.com/nuShell.html or http://www.pseudobuddha.com/player.html if you want to go directly to the sounds. you'll need flashplayer to dig it & realaudio to hear it. my favorite of late hasn't been a bass thing though, it's been a srinivas guitar thingie: a hondo chiquita 1/2 size guitar w/a 7th string added, tuned chikari cc melody cgcgc (like subramanium's violin) in an upper octave; it makes for a great contrast with the more bass oriented stuff tamberwise. where is this going? you guys all kick ass... bobdog From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Apr 10 03:23:00 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA24666; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 03:23:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 03:23:00 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38F133DF.95444950@texas.net> Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 01:52:41 +0000 From: Bobdog/Doghouse Audio Laboratory Reply-To: psbuddha@texas.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: loopers with pods? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"YJSYZ2.0.wO5.2eNyu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13397 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com i had a pod for a coupla weeks; i found the noise floor on the clean channels to make it unusable. i sold it & bought a dl4. yay for me. bobdog From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Apr 10 05:53:10 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA04110; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 05:53:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 05:53:10 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <00ca01bfa2d1$c9e5ac00$032cf7c2@abc.zetnet.co.uk> From: "steve lawson" To: "Loop List" Subject: Re: 'artificial' harmonics Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 09:04:35 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"JeR6S2.0.uw.WDQyu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13398 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >steve lawson made a good point about the use of 'artificial' harmonics in >extending the bass sonic range in the 'bassist' thread (on the loopers >list). i have a vague idea of how to execute this and have certainly heard >it on all the obvious jaco stuff. so would anyone care to elaborate on this >technique? i've always been intrigued by it but only lately have been in the >position to actually use it. so, time to woodshed for a bit :-) thanks for >any advice! Practice, is about the only sensible way to tackle it. I can honestly say that I don't think I've ever seen two people do this the same. I pick with him index (and sometimes middle) finger nail, using my thumb for the node point. I've also seen people use the tip of their index finger for the node and their thumb nail for picking. Using your nails brings out the sound more. If you listen to the sound clips on my page, there are some false harmonics on 6 string fretless on 'The Inner Game', and some rock-tastic distorted ones on 'The Virtue Of The Small'. The distortion does make them much easier... cheers Steve http://www.steve-lawson.co.uk - subscribe to my new mailing list here. steve@steve-lawson.co.uk "I know there's a balance, I see it every time I swing past." - John Mellencamp From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Apr 10 06:17:41 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA06273; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 06:17:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 06:17:41 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: PJBMHB@aol.com Message-ID: <7e.351897e.2622ffdf@aol.com> Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 05:58:55 EDT Subject: Re: dl-4 question To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 100 Resent-Message-ID: <"gWe9A2.0.D81.5OQyu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13399 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com the dl4 seems pretty transparent to me. i like mine a lot. having the 800ms of predelay is great too. i use about 300ms w/ just a touch of modulation. sounds very good, especially w/ clean gtr tones. good luck, =-) PJ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Apr 10 10:32:39 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA29828; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 10:32:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 10:32:39 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <12.2f956ef.26233e32@aol.com> Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 10:24:50 EDT Subject: Re: Idea for trans-expression/vol pedal compatability (was Re: volume pedal h... To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown sub 32 Resent-Message-ID: <"PHqwd2.0.257.NHUyu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13400 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 08/04/00 22:16:32 GMT Daylight Time, sop@n2mail.com writes: > a simple mod (resistors and a switch?) that could be done to a pedal that > would allow you to switch between modes/resistances > if you're serious about doing a bit of experimentation which may or may not pay off I could send some suggestions (if that's what you,d like) Andy Butler PS and the Zoom peds are Log. Pots. so won't work well for a Vortex. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Apr 10 10:45:08 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA31265; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 10:45:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 10:45:08 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <8e.37f9a9e.26233e33@aol.com> Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 10:24:51 EDT Subject: Re: OT:bassists To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 32 Resent-Message-ID: <"xVmMc2.0.M57.QHUyu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13401 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > Andy, it's interesting that you choose guitar over bass for looping - why's > that? I find that the range of sounds that I can get with a bass is more > than I could with a guitar Hi Steve. Well it's perhaps to do with the type of bass sound that I like use. Trying to get the sort of depth of tone that would come from an acoustic double bass, although I also like enough HF for harmonics. I find that the bass sound gets a bit murky after 3 layers, but then my unlooped technique quite often has 2 or 3 layers already so to loop it seems a bit superfluous. Usually I find the bass is 'enough' without looping it. What you say makes me think though, as I too can probably get a few more different sounds out of the bass than I can a guitar. Sometimes I'm trying to produce a 'drum kit' out of guitar noises ( so far.... wood blocks, tabla-ish, bass drum, shakers, cuica) for a loop rhythm, probably should try bass for this. What I'm really into is audio morphing the guitar with a Lexicon Vortex, combined (usually)with longer loops from (currently) a JamMan. I'm also working on integrating a rack full of other FX. Also combining different delays (+FX) to produce a sort of fractal image from the input, aiming at looping without obvious repetition. Somehow the guitar sound just seems to turn into something new and exciting, I reckon it's all those high frequencies that aren't there in my bass. I'm still working on the possibilities. Guess I'll get round to trying loop bass again sooner or later though. (...and other stuff of course) Andy Butler. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Apr 10 11:17:30 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA02502; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 11:17:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 11:17:30 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: panix2.panix.com: tonobung owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 11:11:11 -0400 (EDT) From: "r. dennis" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: knit uber alles In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"46Uf_2.0.jS.NyUyu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13402 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com 'scuse me... but is that "knitting factoryland"... "six flags over downtown"... "pedro's south of the step across the border"? crackin myself up, a:c On Sat, 8 Apr 2000 Echoechoparkpark@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 4/7/0 3:02:19 AM, PJBMHB@aol.com writes: > > >are knitting factories going to become like hardrock cafes? i want my > >knitting factory, london tee-shirt! =-) PJ > > Now that's a kind of corporate world-domination strategy I could live with. > How about Knitting Factory Las Vegas! I think it'd be a whole new market for > adventurous musicians - I just don't get enough ambient guitar gigs for drunk > old gamblers and tourists these days. > > eric p > echo park > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Apr 10 12:09:46 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA08197; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 12:09:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 12:09:46 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <006501bfa306$9a058ed0$47310140@concentric.net> From: "Larry Tremblay" To: "Looper's Delight" Subject: FYI: Digitech RDS-8000 8-sec Sampling Delay on eBay Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 12:05:28 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"tP5go.0.-j1.XhVyu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13404 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com ** NOT mine so do not e-mail me ** For your information: Digitech RDS-8000 8-sec Sampling Delay http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=303781642 - Larry T From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Apr 10 12:14:00 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA08920; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 12:14:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 12:14:00 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: kamlapati.khalsa@philips.com To: Subject: Re: dl-4 question Message-ID: <0056910004489137000002L172*@MHS> Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 10:54:38 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; name="MEMO 04/10/00 10:58:45" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by rosy.yourwebhost.com id LAA06304 Resent-Message-ID: <"UAs0p1.0.rY1.VbVyu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13403 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I think the DL4 is as clean as can be. It is my favorite delay and it is cool as a looper. Did you know that if you hook up the expression pedal you can actually fade a lop in and out and back in again. I use it in front of my EDP and two loops a little out of synce will build a great sound wash. Kamlapati From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Apr 10 12:22:02 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA10073; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 12:22:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 12:22:02 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000410090822.007ca530@pop3.argotech.net> X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 09:08:22 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Rich Subject: Re: loopers with pods? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"ydxzg2.0.jI2.kvVyu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13405 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I've been using a POD for about a year now, and IMHO, i think it's one of the best things since sliced bread... I haven't been using it in my live rig too much, since i switched bands and moved to bass about 6 months ago. Recording is really where the POD shines, but lots of folks use it live as well, running it into the power amp section of their amps, or getting a transparent power amp and full range speaker setup. Check out the LUP on line6's website and go to the POD presets section. There are alot of threads there on almost all things POD. www.line6.com As far as the switching latency, well, it's the nature of the beast. What we are dealing with here is a digital 'model' of amplification circuitry. When you switch patches, the POD must flush the previous 'model', and load the new one. It does take some time, and the floorboard will make no difference. Actually, this really frustrated me live, since i wanted to eliminate my stompboxes if i could, but no go. There is a POD Pro model on the way, as well as a POD II. Line6 claims the switching speed is improved on both of those. rich At 01:52 AM 4/9/00 EDT, you wrote: >anyone out there looping with a pod in there rig? >i just picked one up today.....pretty neat piece >the one thing thats bugging me though is the latency between program >changes........seem like it could be potentially annoying in live situations. > >i'm using a midi pedal to switch from sound to sound. > >anyone else experiencing this problem? > >anyone know if the line 6 pedal board makes the pod react the same? > >thanks for any advice in advance! >brian >ebnoise > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Apr 10 12:39:46 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA14767; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 12:39:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 12:39:46 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000410091136.007ca530@pop3.argotech.net> X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 09:11:36 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Rich Subject: Re: dl-4 question In-Reply-To: <39.37b8621.26220d68@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"ZYmiV.0.RP2.lyVyu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13406 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com The dl4 in looper mode is pretty transparent. You've got a 24 bit signal path. Some of the delay modes color the sound dramatically, but that's what they are supposed to do to mimic the old 'classic' delays. rich At 12:44 PM 4/9/00 EDT, you wrote: >I'm assuming that this has been discussed before, but how much of an effect >does the unit have on tone. I'm seriously considering ditching my digitech >unit in favor of a device that loops as transparently as possible. Thank you >kindly. > >Later! >Joe > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Apr 10 12:46:22 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA16499; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 12:46:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 12:46:22 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38F20419.E858D866@engin.umich.edu> Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 12:41:06 -0400 From: Darcy Clark Reply-To: darcyc@engin.umich.edu Organization: MSE, Umich X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gnomesis@yahoo.com, "Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Subject: Re: online audio/midi collaboration network References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"HBk0L3.0.Nj3.tGWyu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13407 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com cool....I am definitely interested in trying this out later on this week. I tried it on the weekend and, while it did crash badly once, I did get into a 'virtual studio' and was able to share mixed audio/midi project with a bunch of other people. The version of Logic Audio looks cutback a bit but seems entirely useable for basic audio/midi sequencing. Keep in mind that if the project contains audio, then you'd better have a bunch of bandwidth (DSL would be a minumum I would think). For those that still don't get what we are talking about here, it is like a online version of the Logic (a sequencer like CakeWalk, Cubase, Digital Performer etc...) that allows you to share a project with other online users. This could be a more immediate way to accomplish collaborations between users on this list. I certainly would like to get you guys to help with some of my projects....for instance I usually suck bad at getting decent bass and percussion loops going. bye fow now, Darcy "Javier Miranda V." wrote: > > Hey, I downloaded it. I'll be doing some reading then; can we experiment > later on this week? This looks pretty cool. Thanks for the tip! > > | -----Original Message----- > | From: Darcy Clark [mailto:darcyc@engin.umich.edu] > | Sent: Sunday 09 April 2000 11:39 AM > | To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > | Subject: online audio/midi collaboration network > > | this looks pretty cool - it's basically a free version of Logic Audio > | that is capable of sharing audio and midi projects with other users > | around the world in essentially real-time. I think this would be a fun > | thing to use for online looper collaborations....maybe even a weekly > | online loop session. Please post to the list if you think this could > | work and we'll try to get something going. > | http://www.harmony-central.com/Rocket/ > | cheers, > | Darcy > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com -- --------------------------------------------------- Ph: (734) 764 3377 Email: darcyc@engin.umich.edu URL: http://www-personal.engin.umich.edu/~darcyc/ --------------------------------------------------- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Apr 10 13:34:13 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA26272; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 13:34:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 13:34:13 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 10:28:08 -0700 From: "Mike Biffle" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, Jax1723@aol.com Subject: Re: Mede Mede!!! >> DJRND2 in Santa Cruz tonight! Resent-Message-ID: <"Wn3FT1.0.mA6.OzWyu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13408 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com PERILLE writes... > Mede Mede !!! missing in action : Dave Potter and Mike Biffle Have they been swallowed by the french looper ? Will they survive from the alien machine ? We will probably know it ... or never... Same loop time, same loop channel... Jack writes... > So what's the verdict??? My understanding is that it was primarily designed to be used in a dj setup... how does it translate in other (guitar, bass, percussion, etc.) setups? just curious, jack Hi gang... I'm expecting possibly a more in-depth review from our buddy David Potter, but I had a chance to check out the unit and formed a few quick impressions which I'll list below. I have to apologize to Perille for not really digging in and trying to understand the unit better. (more on that below...) It's housed in a cool tabletop setup much like many of the tabletop samplers we're familiar with. It had a nice blue cloud like mist hand sprayed on it and the word "PAPA" on the lcd screen in honor of Mr. Potter... This baby is full stereo for each of it's 14 channels!!! (If I'm not mistaken). Which makes it unique in our world of mono boxes... That alone is worth tons... It seems like it ** REALLY IS ** set up to audition pre-recorded bits into it, DJ style... from a sampler or cd or??? Anyway... you arm record, then press the channel button and recording begins... Once it's in the unit you can "gearwheel" the loop around to sync it up as well as trim the tempo etc. It looks to be really capable in this regard... No midi, but I'm pretty sure most dj's are ignoring midi and doing incredible things... Being a guitarist, (David's one as well) we were both sort of at a loss to figure out a way to arm the recording process in a way that would allow us to seamlessly record our bits into the unit. So it was hard to really PLAY and work with the unit. So I'll leave it to someone else to discover it's fidelity with various instruments and sounds. If the loop select buttons could be simply triggered with a footswitch, that would allow a real-time player "hands-free" access to this critical step, making this unit FAR more desirable to many of us here on the list, and expanding it's scope to include a much larger market. The lack of this feature made it hard for me to continue testing, as I only had a few hours, and wanted to definitely spend a good portion of that actually playing... which a footswitch would have allowed. As for it's capability as a DJ tool, or for experimental layering of pre-recorded segments, it looks to be really great. Quicker than a sampler, (but volatile memory). Possibly more flexible... The more I think about it though, the more I ask myself, what are it's essential differences from, say an SP808 or MPC 2000? Those require more careful inputing of the sounds, but have added processors and filters, tap-tempo, midi sync, etc... although it might be fairer to compare it to a sampler in it's price range of $600-$700. Adding that one extra footswitch feature for the START RECORD function could differentiate it from a sampler, and make if waaaayyyy more desirable to a lot of us, hopefully without increasing the cost of the unit much. I could certainly find a use for a 14 loop stereo machine if I could perform hands-free recording with it! Best, -Miko From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Apr 10 15:25:29 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA07154; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 15:25:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 15:25:29 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <004601bfa320$d0eae840$6987abd4@h2v6p1> From: "luca" To: , Cc: References: <20000409234711.43274.qmail@hotmail.com> Subject: R: 'artificial' harmonics Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 20:18:04 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <"Rm9bv2.0.tK1.IPYyu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13410 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com A while ago I found a basic interesting file on Harmony Central, the author was:"Slehman@harmony-central.com" Anyway I am also interested in following this path, keep me involved. Luca ----- Original Message ----- From: tony moore To: Cc: Sent: Monday, April 10, 2000 1:47 AM Subject: 'artificial' harmonics > steve lawson made a good point about the use of 'artificial' harmonics in > extending the bass sonic range in the 'bassist' thread (on the loopers > list). i have a vague idea of how to execute this and have certainly heard > it on all the obvious jaco stuff. so would anyone care to elaborate on this > technique? i've always been intrigued by it but only lately have been in the > position to actually use it. so, time to woodshed for a bit :-) thanks for > any advice! > > tony > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Apr 10 15:56:41 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA00950; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 14:24:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 14:24:56 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38F21AF2.62B2E4CA@ppi2pass.com> Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 11:18:27 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro Reply-To: msottilaro@ppi2pass.com Organization: PPI X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Subject: Re: online audio/midi collaboration network References: <38F20419.E858D866@engin.umich.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"AtS6M1.0.y_7.ZiXyu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13409 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hey, I also downloaded the software, but have yet to check it out. It seems like it could be a great way to do some group projects. Count me in! -- Mark Sottilaro Professional Publications, Inc 1250 Fifth Ave, Belmont CA 94002 Multimedia Production E-mail: msottilaro@ppi2pass.com Phone: (650) 593-9119 ext. 29 From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Apr 10 16:20:12 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA12933; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 16:20:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 16:20:12 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Phaedebk@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 16:13:30 EDT Subject: Re: 'artificial' harmonics To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 33 Resent-Message-ID: <"IzuuG.0.i03.KOZyu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13411 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hey there, Tony, Just to reiterate what Steve was saying, is to "fret" a note, say an "A" (second fret of the G - string, not hers, play on your own bass!) and then use either your first finger or middle finger to be placed either 7, 9 or 12 frets up the neck on the same string and use your thumb to pluck the string. I think that there's a few others out there which go a bit higher up in pitch, want to say 17 half steps or so, but haven't tried it myself. Totally agree that using a pick, or your nails gives a much better tone. Then there's the tapping method which also works for Stick players and that's to do roughly the same thing, except you're going to tap directly on the fret in question. Funk fingers is one way to really make this method work! Using a pick like Steve Hackett, or just your fingers also work in decreasing modes of tone. Another thing which is great and basically along this thread is to use an E-Bow which gives out a few new tones to your Bass. L8r on and loop out, Lee-ohki. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Apr 10 16:56:14 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA17146; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 16:56:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 16:56:14 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <001801bfa32e$9e9d5f40$a4c918d0@ispchannel.com> From: "Timothy" To: References: <38F20419.E858D866@engin.umich.edu> <38F21AF2.62B2E4CA@ppi2pass.com> Subject: Re: online audio/midi collaboration network Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 15:51:59 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"H_vvl3.0.3y3.MwZyu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13413 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Me three - I wanna! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Sottilaro" To: Sent: Monday, April 10, 2000 1:18 PM Subject: Re: online audio/midi collaboration network > Hey, > > I also downloaded the software, but have yet to check it out. It seems like it > could be a great way to do some group projects. Count me in! > -- > Mark Sottilaro > Professional Publications, Inc > 1250 Fifth Ave, Belmont CA 94002 > Multimedia Production > E-mail: msottilaro@ppi2pass.com > Phone: (650) 593-9119 ext. 29 > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Apr 10 16:40:49 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA15067; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 16:40:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 16:40:49 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <008d01bfa32c$a970e560$45310140@concentric.net> From: "Larry Tremblay" To: References: Subject: Re: Mede Mede!!! >> DJRND2 in Santa Cruz tonight! Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 16:37:59 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"l7Gw52.0.1V3.wgZyu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13412 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Miko, thanks for the overview. I was already under the impression that the DJRND2 was intended as a DJ-oriented real-time loop machine. Even without a footswitch for arming the RECORD, it sounds like it would make a great montage/layering looper in a studio environment. As a big fan of the RDS 7.6 Time Machines, something along the lines of their ARM/TRIGGER footswitch controls would be perfect. I'd really like to know more about the sound quality, especially with 14 stereo channels blazing at once. :) Got any comments about the sound quality, Miko? TIA, - Larry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Biffle" To: ; Sent: Monday, April 10, 2000 1:28 PM Subject: Re: Mede Mede!!! >> DJRND2 in Santa Cruz tonight! > PERILLE writes... > > Mede Mede !!! missing in action : Dave Potter and Mike Biffle Have > they been swallowed by the french looper ? Will they survive from the > alien machine ? We will probably know it ... or never... Same loop > time, same loop channel... > > Jack writes... > > So what's the verdict??? My understanding is that it was primarily > designed to be used in a dj setup... how does it translate in other > (guitar, bass, percussion, etc.) setups? just curious, jack > > Hi gang... > > I'm expecting possibly a more in-depth review from our buddy David > Potter, but I had a chance to check out the unit and formed a few > quick impressions which I'll list below. I have to apologize to > Perille for not really digging in and trying to understand the unit > better. (more on that below...) > > It's housed in a cool tabletop setup much like many of the tabletop > samplers we're familiar with. It had a nice blue cloud like mist hand > sprayed on it and the word "PAPA" on the lcd screen in honor of Mr. > Potter... > > This baby is full stereo for each of it's 14 channels!!! (If I'm not > mistaken). Which makes it unique in our world of mono boxes... That > alone is worth tons... > > It seems like it ** REALLY IS ** set up to audition pre-recorded bits > into it, DJ style... from a sampler or cd or??? Anyway... you arm > record, then press the channel button and recording begins... Once > it's in the unit you can "gearwheel" the loop around to sync it up as > well as trim the tempo etc. It looks to be really capable in this > regard... No midi, but I'm pretty sure most dj's are ignoring midi and > doing incredible things... > > Being a guitarist, (David's one as well) we were both sort of at a > loss to figure out a way to arm the recording process in a way that > would allow us to seamlessly record our bits into the unit. So it was > hard to really PLAY and work with the unit. So I'll leave it to > someone else to discover it's fidelity with various instruments and > sounds. > > If the loop select buttons could be simply triggered with a > footswitch, that would allow a real-time player "hands-free" access to > this critical step, making this unit FAR more desirable to many of us > here on the list, and expanding it's scope to include a much larger > market. The lack of this feature made it hard for me to continue > testing, as I only had a few hours, and wanted to definitely spend a > good portion of that actually playing... which a footswitch would have > allowed. > > As for it's capability as a DJ tool, or for experimental layering of > pre-recorded segments, it looks to be really great. Quicker than a > sampler, (but volatile memory). Possibly more flexible... The more I > think about it though, the more I ask myself, what are it's essential > differences from, say an SP808 or MPC 2000? Those require more careful > inputing of the sounds, but have added processors and filters, > tap-tempo, midi sync, etc... although it might be fairer to compare it > to a sampler in it's price range of $600-$700. > > Adding that one extra footswitch feature for the START RECORD > function could differentiate it from a sampler, and make if waaaayyyy > more desirable to a lot of us, hopefully without increasing the cost > of the unit much. I could certainly find a use for a 14 loop stereo > machine if I could perform hands-free recording with it! > > Best, > -Miko > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Apr 10 17:10:15 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA18708; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 17:10:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 17:10:15 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 13:56:16 -0700 Subject: Re: Eric Johnson's bat-like ears From: Tiktok To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200004102047.QAA15802@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"SPcUk.0.3F4.x0ayu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13414 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com It's in this month's Guitar Player. TH > From: Loopers-Delight-d-request@annihilist.com > Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 16:47:43 -0400 > To: Loopers-Delight-d@annihilist.com > Subject: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V00 #106 > > From: "Timothy" > Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2000 15:05:38 -0500 > To: > Subject: Re: EH Microsynth differences > > That's not true, is it? Where did you hear that? I'll secure his bottom > plate with a screw... > > ----- Original Message ----- >> And then there's Eric Johnson, now >> claiming he hears a difference in his Fuzz Face if he secures the bottom >> plate with a rubber band instead of a screw. >> From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Apr 10 17:21:17 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA20082; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 17:21:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 17:21:17 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 14:15:33 -0700 From: "Mike Biffle" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, ltct@concentric.net Subject: Re: Mede Mede!!! >> DJRND2 in Santa Cruz tonight! Resent-Message-ID: <"qQnvE.0.ul4.WIayu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13415 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > Miko, thanks for the overview. > I was already under the impression that the DJRND2 was intended as a DJ-oriented real-time loop machine. Even without a footswitch for arming the RECORD, it sounds like it would make a great montage/layering looper in a studio environment. As a big fan of the RDS 7.6 Time Machines, something along the lines of their ARM/TRIGGER footswitch controls would be perfect. It could be awesome... But give me that footswitch and I'll get back to ya! > I'd really like to know more about the sound quality, especially with 14 stereo channels blazing at once. :) Got any comments about the sound quality, Miko? Since it's not living with me, I didn't really get a good chance to really audition it in that way. I'm hoping David will do exactly that... load various samples into each track and play them back... Mr. DAVE? Best, -Miko From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Apr 10 17:47:40 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA23026; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 17:47:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 17:47:40 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: Subject: RE: DJRND2 in Santa Cruz tonight! Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 14:44:54 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <71.2200ee9.26214047@aol.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Resent-Message-ID: <"MBA8R.0.KW5.Iiayu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13416 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com My personal verdict was - the traffic to Santa Cruz on a Friday was to much for me :> I got to Highway 17, watched the miles and miles of cars standing still off into the distance for a few minute, then turned around. Ahh well, I hope there's a next time soon. Is there any other way through the mountains? bIz -----Original Message----- From: Jax1723@aol.com [mailto:Jax1723@aol.com] Sent: Saturday, April 08, 2000 7:09 PM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: DJRND2 in Santa Cruz tonight! In a message dated 4/8/2000 2:39:41 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Loopers-Delight-d-request@annihilist.com writes: > Re: DJRND2 in Santa Cruz tonight! So what's the verdict??? My understanding is that it was primarily designed to be used in a dj setup... how does it translate in other (guitar, bass, percussion, etc.) setups? just curious jack From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Apr 10 17:54:22 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA23679; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 17:54:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 17:54:22 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 16:49:22 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <200004102149.QAA29560@servidor.unam.mx> X-Sender: smaug@servidor.unam.mx X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Andy Soto Subject: FROSTWAVE VS MOOGERFOOGER Resent-Message-ID: <"khqOi2.0.nh5.Loayu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13417 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Does anybody has the chance the compare the Frostwave resonant filter VS the moogerfooger Low pass filter? are they the same? reactions? comments? From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Apr 10 18:09:26 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA25689; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 18:09:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 18:09:26 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 15:01:08 -0700 From: "Mike Biffle" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, jonathan@full-moon.com Subject: Re: RE: DJRND2 in Santa Cruz tonight! Resent-Message-ID: <"6EAmM3.0.i56.9zayu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13418 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com You could come down the coast! >>> "Jonathan El-Bizri" 04/10 2:46 PM >>> My personal verdict was - the traffic to Santa Cruz on a Friday was to much for me :> I got to Highway 17, watched the miles and miles of cars standing still off into the distance for a few minute, then turned around. Ahh well, I hope there's a next time soon. Is there any other way through the mountains? bIz From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Apr 10 20:44:40 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA07030; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 20:44:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 20:44:40 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 20:33:44 -0400 To: Recipient List Suppressed:; From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: Video with the Looper's Collective @ AS220, Providence 4.15.00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <"0FzB-2.0.7g1.rIdyu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13419 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com It is my pleasure to announce that I will be performing video improvisations with one of my favorite rotating ensembles, The Boston Looper's Collective, at one the most pleasant performances spaces in the known universe, AS/220, in Providence. The Loopers Collective will be taking its trippy, loopy, dancey and ambient sounds to Providence, RI and performing this Saturday at AS/220 and invited to the Am*be*thang (4) banner and hosted by Sign. Sonic moments commence with The Saturnalia String Trio around 9-ish, TLC around 10-ish to closing. This marks the fifth outing for the TLC team. Collective V features: * DJ Flack Turntables, Grooves & Regularities * DJ C Turntables, Pulses & Tempofications * roSS Hamlin Guitussion, Wordifications & Observations * TG Noyes Guitar Synth, Washes & Measurements * David Kirkdorffer/UNDO Unguitar, Layerings & Pattern-Making * Dr. T Projected Visuals & Wonderment AS/220 info can be had here: http://www.as220.org/calendar.html As always, please bring your consciousness however you will (or at least however you can). "The reasonable man adapts himself to the world. The unreasonable man persists in adapting the world to himself. Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man. -- George Bernard Shaw Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. Video Producer Image Processing Specialist Video for your HEAD! Boris FX http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Apr 10 21:05:08 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA08941; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 21:05:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 21:05:08 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000410204900.007ca100@panther.middlebury.edu> X-Sender: mchriste@panther.middlebury.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 20:49:00 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: murkie Subject: Re: 'artificial' harmonics In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"nFjug1.0.3p1.3Qdyu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13420 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 04:13 PM 4/10/00 EDT, you wrote: >Hey there, Tony, > > Just to reiterate what Steve was saying, is to "fret" a note, say an "A" >(second fret of the G - string, not hers, play on your own bass!) and then >use either your first finger or middle finger to be placed either 7, 9 or 12 >frets up the neck on the same string and use your thumb to pluck the string. or you can do like Jaco and use your igh thumb to "fret" the harmonic and your index finger to pluck the note. with a little practice, it gets pretty easy. m ===================================================================== = = = M a r k C h r i s t e n s e n = = Cramped Quarters Studio / Jasperpottamus Music Publishing = = internet: murkie@middlebury.edu = = http://www.middlebury.edu/~mchriste/murkie.html = = = ===================================================================== From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Apr 11 00:00:45 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA25889; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 00:00:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 00:00:45 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000410235756.007bdb80@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 23:57:56 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Link to Oakley filter schematics In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"gYckm1.0.c66.H9gyu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13421 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Anyone tried building this? I'd like to try soldering together a filter unit, but recognize that for best results (i.e., one that actually works as opposed to sputtering sparks and crackly farting noises, at least the unwanted ones) the project had better be pretty simple. And cheap, too... Do any of you have any experience building the Craig Anderton Dual Filter Voicing Unit (Project #10 in Electronic Projects for Musicians, pc board available at )? Is it at all useful? Tim From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Apr 11 03:13:22 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA14500; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 03:13:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 03:13:22 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20000411020612.00a61380@mail.winternet.com> X-Sender: r4c@mail.winternet.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 02:12:19 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: "L. Stafford" Subject: Re: Link to Oakley filter schematics In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20000410235756.007bdb80@pop.ici.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"N7C0Z.0.cR3.M_iyu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13422 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com The filters in the Dual Filter Voicing Unit are geared more towards the guitar range but w/ some minor component substitutions it performs admirably for other uses as well. The DFVU is primarily an overdrive/clean boost w/ 2 active filters in the overdrive section. Being an overdrive, it will sound best driving the front end of a tube amp, overdriving the tubes to create distortion. It sounds pretty good, but if you're looking for a conventional filter w/ a wide frequency range, this will probably disappoint. OTOH, it's cheap and easy to build. I would say go for it. I would recommend picking up a copy of Electronic Projects For Musicians if you don't already have one (not just for this, but it is a really good reference for music electronics in general). L. At 11:57 PM 4/10/00 -0400, you wrote: >Anyone tried building this? > > > >I'd like to try soldering together a filter unit, but recognize that for >best results (i.e., one that actually works as opposed to sputtering sparks >and crackly farting noises, at least the unwanted ones) the project had >better be pretty simple. And cheap, too... > >Do any of you have any experience building the Craig Anderton Dual Filter >Voicing Unit (Project #10 in Electronic Projects for Musicians, pc board >available at )? Is it at all useful? > >Tim You have not yet reached the height of your depravity. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Apr 11 04:10:14 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA19137; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 04:10:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 04:10:14 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 01:04:56 -0700 From: Kim Flint Subject: looper collective show To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"21r9o1.0.ec4.zpjyu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13423 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com posted for David Kirkdorffer: 0o0o0o0o0o0o0o0o0o0o0o0o0o0o0o0o0o0o0o0o0o0o0o0o0o0o0o0o0o0o0o0o0o0o0o0o0o0 o0o0o0o0o0o0o0o0o0o0o0o0o0o0o0o0o0o0o0o0o0o0o0o0o0o0o0o0o0o0o0o0o0o0o0o0o0o The Loopers Collective will be taking its trippy, loopy, dancey and ambient sounds to Providence, RI. TLC is performing this Saturday April 15th at AS/220 as part of Am*be*thang (4) and hosted by Sign. Sonic moments commence with The Saturnalia String Trio around 9-ish, TLC around 10-ish to closing. This marks the fifth outing for the TLC team. Collective V features: * DJ Flack Turntables, Grooves & Regularities * DJ C Turntables, Pulses & Tempofications * roSS Hamlin Guitussion, Wordifications & Observations * TG Noyes Guitar Synth, Washes & Measurements * David Kirkdorffer/UNDO Unguitar, Layerings & Pattern-Making * Dr. T Projected Visuals & Wonderment AS/220 info can be had here: http://www.as220.org/calendar.html As always, please bring your consciousness however you will (or at least however you can). David Kirkdorffer UNDO P.S. UNDO will also be featured in The Reverend Keith's congregation at The Lizard Lounge in Cambridge Thursday April 27 12 - The Medveds 11 - Zola Turn 10 - David Kirkdorffer/UNDO 09 - Jed Parish from The Gravel Pit o0o0o0o0o0o0o0o0o0o0o0o0o0o0o0o0o0o0o0o0o0o0o0o0o0o0o0o0o0o0o0o0o0o0o0o0o0o 0o0o0o0o0o0o0o0o0o0o0o0o0o0o0o0o0o0o0o0o0o0o0o0o0o0o0o0o0o0o0o0o0o0o0o0o0o0 ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Apr 11 04:21:11 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA19853; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 04:21:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 04:21:11 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 18:13:25 +1000 X-Sender: simon@mail.dynamite.com.au Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <200004102149.QAA29560@servidor.unam.mx> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Simon Subject: Re: FROSTWAVE VS MOOGERFOOGER Cc: smaug@servidor.unam.mx Resent-Message-ID: <"A_uSS2.0._j4.twjyu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13424 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > Does anybody has the chance the compare the Frostwave resonant filter VS >the moogerfooger Low pass filter? are they the same? reactions? comments? Totally different - in many ways. Simon Canberra AUSTRALIA From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Apr 11 05:23:20 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA24989; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 05:23:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 05:23:20 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38F2EB25.7657D118@latrobe.edu.au> Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 19:06:45 +1000 From: "b.knox" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Subject: OT: Chandler Tone-X Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"XrHuk3.0.-m5.qikyu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13425 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com hi all .... has anyone tried the Chandler Tone-X pot? it's a on-board guitar wah-in-yer-tone-pot kind of thing (i like the idea of having something more useful than my never-used tone pot and am seriously thinking of forking out for one) ... apparently it is shipped with the Chandler 555 series guitars ... specifically, my barrage of questions is ... according to the Chandler website it is a push/pull pot (i would guess with some circuitage + 9V battery) ... is the push/pull for bypass of the wah effect or the 16db boost ... that is, is the wah always "on" or can it be bypassed? if so is it true (or at least clean) bypass? if it can be bypassed, in which position is it bypassed (pot "up" or pot "down")? can the listed 16db gain be adjusted? (maybe a screw-pot somewhere?) ... how easy would it be to make one of these anyway? sorry for throwing this at the list, but Chandler hasn't responded ... btw i can't just get a wah pedal 'coz all my feet are used up and i like the idea of volume pot type swells but on the wah axis. thanks in advance, brad From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Apr 11 11:35:55 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA25946; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 11:35:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 11:35:55 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <001b01bfa3ca$fc135570$49310140@concentric.net> From: "Larry Tremblay" To: Cc: References: Subject: Re: FROSTWAVE VS MOOGERFOOGER Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 11:31:17 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"qcr2x2.0.p66.SHqyu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13426 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > Totally different - in many ways. Yes, totally different. Really no comparison. Neither is necessarily better than the other but for my money the Frostwave is a better deal. You get both HP and LP, and intense self-occillation, with the Frostwave. - Larry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Simon" To: Cc: Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2000 4:13 AM Subject: Re: FROSTWAVE VS MOOGERFOOGER > > Does anybody has the chance the compare the Frostwave resonant filter VS > >the moogerfooger Low pass filter? are they the same? reactions? comments? > > > Simon > Canberra > AUSTRALIA > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Apr 11 13:57:21 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA08195; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 13:57:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 13:57:21 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 10:46:41 -0700 From: "Mike Biffle" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, b.knox@mlyaptarnotbse.edu.au Subject: Re: OT: Chandler Tone-X Resent-Message-ID: <"GNM-H1.0.sf1.iKsyu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13427 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > according to the Chandler website it is a push/pull pot (i would guess with some circuitage + 9V battery) ... yep... > is the push/pull for bypass of the wah effect or the 16db boost ... that is, is the wah always "on" or can it be bypassed? It bypasses the wah... I don't remember setting a trimpot for boost adjustment, but it was quite a while back. > if so is it true (or at least clean) bypass? I seem to remember it being double pole - double throw... so I think it was true bypass... tone seemed fine in bypass mode. This guitar was my "go to a jam and plug straight in" guitar... and it never failed to astound people how I got those tones... fun. > if it can be bypassed, in which position is it bypassed (pot "up" or pot "down")? Mine was down, but you may be able to just reverse the wiring scheme on the pot... > can the listed 16db gain be adjusted? (maybe a screw-pot somewhere?) ... how easy would it be to make one of these anyway? Don't remember?! If there's not already a bunch of batteries and active electronics in your axe... definitely put a Tone-X in there! It's just a pot and some wiring... no other mods... -Miko From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Apr 11 15:16:11 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA17375; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 15:16:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 15:16:11 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <002701bfa3e9$e2eaa840$b39001d5@qpjjd> From: "petertparka" To: Subject: unsubscribe Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 20:12:05 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0024_01BFA3F2.34E80FE0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Resent-Message-ID: <"E4dI13.0.8x3.1Xtyu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13428 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0024_01BFA3F2.34E80FE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable peterparka@btinternet.com ------=_NextPart_000_0024_01BFA3F2.34E80FE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------_=_NextPart_001_01BFA3EB.520D438A-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Apr 11 15:41:41 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA20474; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 15:41:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 15:41:41 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <010b01bfa3eb$ae73f420$49310140@concentric.net> From: "Larry Tremblay" To: , "Looper's Delight" References: <72.2d6200f.2624d2b7@aol.com> Subject: Re: Detailed info on creating analog effects for a beginner??? Also,hello from NJ. Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 15:25:21 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"0mUGD3.0.iL4.qityu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13429 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Try the DIY archive links page: http://aupe.phys.andrews.edu/diy_archive/links.html Literally hundreds of devices and schematics. Lots of great projects and clones of various pedals. Also, take a look at Craig Anderton's Electronics Projects books. You can get plans, parts and the books at PAIA Electronics: http://www.paia.com/ - Larry T ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2000 3:10 PM Subject: Detailed info on creating analog effects for a beginner??? Also,hello from NJ. > Hello all, > My names Chris and I'm new to this list. I am an aspiring inventor/artist > from New Jersey with a desire to make my own effects units. If anyone can > tell me where the best place is to start, it'd be much appreciated. Also, I > want to relocate to San Diego...anybody reside out that way? > > Ciao, > Chris Garrett > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Apr 11 16:37:11 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA26461; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 16:37:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 16:37:11 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Pedro Felix" To: Subject: Re: unsubscribe Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 16:12:35 -0500 Message-ID: <01bfa3fa$a8da6620$470e4f0c@Wroswick.uvm.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_01D5_01BFA3D0.C0045E20" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"xeH6H2.0.ry5.yYuyu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13431 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01D5_01BFA3D0.C0045E20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Peter, you'll be here for a while, eh....... PedrOOrdeP -----Original Message----- From: petertparka To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Tuesday, April 11, 2000 2:41 PM Subject: unsubscribe =20 =20 peterparka@btinternet.com ------=_NextPart_000_01D5_01BFA3D0.C0045E20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_01D5_01BFA3D0.C0045E20-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Apr 11 17:19:08 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA30517; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 17:19:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 17:19:08 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 16:49:04 -0400 From: Floyd Miller Message-Id: <200004112049.QAA12150@portal.studiodust.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: unsubscribe. Resent-Message-ID: <"dZckg.0.ep6.3_uyu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13432 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com People, please don't punish the rest of us when someone tries to unsubsubscribe by mailing a message to the list. Just write back to the person who did it. The rest of us don't need to see those replies. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Apr 11 17:19:09 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA30518; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 17:19:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 17:19:09 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 06:49:43 +1000 X-Sender: simon@mail.dynamite.com.au Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <001b01bfa3ca$fc135570$49310140@concentric.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Simon Subject: Re: FROSTWAVE VS MOOGERFOOGER Resent-Message-ID: <"BJ74T2.0.tq6.o_uyu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13433 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >> > Does anybody has the chance the compare the Frostwave resonant filter >VS >> >the moogerfooger Low pass filter? are they the same? reactions? comments? >> Totally different - in many ways. > >Yes, totally different. Really no comparison. >Neither is necessarily better than the other >but for my money the Frostwave is a better >deal. You get both HP and LP, and intense >self-occillation, with the Frostwave. The Moogerfoger is LPF only, has an envelope follower, overdrive and extensive external CV control. Also, the Moog has much better packaging and overall build quality. Simon Canberra AUSTRALIA From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Apr 11 21:20:44 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA20736; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 21:20:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 21:20:44 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20000411194606.042bcf00@mail.winternet.com> X-Sender: r4c@mail.winternet.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 19:47:18 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: "L. Stafford" Subject: Re: Detailed info on creating analog effects for a beginner??? Also,hello from NJ. In-Reply-To: <010b01bfa3eb$ae73f420$49310140@concentric.net> References: <72.2d6200f.2624d2b7@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"-G1NA3.0.O94.XSyyu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13434 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com http://www.surf.to/stompbox/ http://www.muzique.com/ http://www.geofex.com/ All have very good information, faqs & tutorials on DIY effects boxes. Lorren At 03:25 PM 4/11/00 -0400, you wrote: >Try the DIY archive links page: >http://aupe.phys.andrews.edu/diy_archive/links.html > >Literally hundreds of devices and schematics. > >Lots of great projects and clones of various pedals. >Also, take a look at Craig Anderton's Electronics >Projects books. You can get plans, parts and the >books at PAIA Electronics: >http://www.paia.com/ > >- Larry T > >----- Original Message ----- >From: >To: >Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2000 3:10 PM >Subject: Detailed info on creating analog effects for a beginner??? >Also,hello from NJ. > > > > Hello all, > > My names Chris and I'm new to this list. I am an aspiring inventor/artist > > from New Jersey with a desire to make my own effects units. If anyone can > > tell me where the best place is to start, it'd be much appreciated. Also, >I > > want to relocate to San Diego...anybody reside out that way? > > > > Ciao, > > Chris Garrett > > Lorren Stafford Richard For Cerebellum/A Most Happy Sound http://www.mp3.com/r4c http://www.winternet.com/~r4c http://www.futureperfect.org/art/happy.html "We ask ourselves whether truly this is the beginning of a new world or whether perhaps the world...is about to perish. There are people who earnestly and seriously fear this, where music becomes the slave of the machine..." From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 12 00:00:44 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA04330; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 00:00:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 00:00:44 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38F3E876.AFAD3C43@latrobe.edu.au> Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 13:07:34 +1000 From: "b.knox" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: OT: Chandler Tone-X References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"cmm3i1.0.ph7.0Y-yu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13435 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mike Biffle wrote: > > If there's not already a bunch of batteries and active electronics in > your axe... definitely put a Tone-X in there! It's just a pot and some > wiring... no other mods... > > thanks for the info, Mike! From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 12 01:57:04 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA18207; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 01:57:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 01:57:04 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <012701bfa508$fedbc3c0$88aa5cd1@-> From: "Bill Fox" To: Subject: EMUSIC Playlist Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 01:27:27 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"CtxYo1.0.Ho3.fX0zu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13437 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com [Best viewed with a fixed spacing font.] EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ. Show #159 April 6, 2000. On this show, I began a month-long focus on the second annual NEARfest, North East Art Rock Festival in Bethlehem, Pennsylvania. The Feature CD at Midnight was Sideshow by Iluvatar on the Kinesis label. ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== 11:04 pm VA [Tranquillity] Cosmo Poly Tone Gift (Invisible Shadows) Rober Rich live phone interview underscored by two Humidity tracks: Robert Rich Beyond Part 1 Humidity (Hypnos) Robert Rich Beyond Part 2 Humidity (Hypnos) Keller & Schonwalder Beam me up... More Loops (Manilin)% Jeff Pearce A Fading To the Shores of Heaven (Hypnos) VA [Saul Stokes] Ivaneer Voyager (AdAstra) ++ Steve Roach Midnight Loom Midnight Moon (Projekt) ++ 12:00 am Iluvatar Cracker Sideshow (Kinesis) Iluvatar New Found Key Sideshow (Kinesis) Iluvatar All We Are Sideshow (Kinesis) Iluvatar Marionette Sideshow (Kinesis) Iluvatar Emperor's New Clothes Sideshow (Kinesis) Iluvatar Funk Massage Sideshow (Kinesis) Iluvatar Sparks Sideshow (Kinesis) Iluvatar Eye Next to Glass Sideshow (Kinesis) 1:00 am * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) ++ = This CD will be available as a thank you gift during the up coming WDIY Membership Drive only during EMUSIC on April 6, 2000. Also available, a variety of CDs from the AdAstra label. % = By request of Glyn Morton in Ireland who's trying to start an EM programme. On the next EMUSIC, I'll continue the month-long focus on the second annual NEARfest, The feature CD at midnight will be a compilation provided by NEARfest organizers. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 12 01:44:56 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA17368; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 01:44:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 01:44:56 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: mhamburg@elroy Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <38F3E876.AFAD3C43@latrobe.edu.au> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 21:53:55 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Mark Hamburg Subject: OT: GP-100 v Line 6 Resent-Message-ID: <"9C1jw1.0.d33.D60zu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13436 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I'm contemplating replacing my GP-100 with a Line 6 Flextone II and I wondered if anyone on this list had any comments in this regard. The pros and cons I can list without much experience with the Flextones... Pros: More direct controls. More amp models. Easily able to use it outside of my studio. (This last one is the big selling point. I'm tired of not having a guitar amp.) Cons: Obviously less powerful in terms of range of effects and in terms of the control over the effects. Has anyone done a comparison of the sound quality of the GP-100 v. the various Line 6 products? Or, if I were to stick with what I've got, does anyone have any recommendations on a reasonable amp to use with the GP-100 so that I would have some mobility. Thanks. Mark P.S. And of course, if you've been hoping someone would sell a GP-100 in good condition, now is your opportunity to wax effusive about Line 6's products... From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 12 03:10:51 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA23844; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 03:10:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 03:10:51 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <000b01bfa44d$e291b460$8f368218@we.mediaone.net> From: "Om_Audio" To: References: Subject: Re: GP-100 v Line 6 Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 00:08:20 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"IPbEj1.0.Vk5.032zu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13438 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Make sure you look at Yamaha's amps- they are real nice and you can store and share patches on your computer- Cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Hamburg" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2000 9:53 PM Subject: OT: GP-100 v Line 6 > I'm contemplating replacing my GP-100 with a Line 6 Flextone II and I > wondered if anyone on this list had any comments in this regard. > > The pros and cons I can list without much experience with the Flextones... > > Pros: More direct controls. More amp models. Easily able to use it outside > of my studio. (This last one is the big selling point. I'm tired of not > having a guitar amp.) > > Cons: Obviously less powerful in terms of range of effects and in terms of > the control over the effects. > > Has anyone done a comparison of the sound quality of the GP-100 v. the > various Line 6 products? Or, if I were to stick with what I've got, does > anyone have any recommendations on a reasonable amp to use with the GP-100 > so that I would have some mobility. > > Thanks. > Mark > > P.S. And of course, if you've been hoping someone would sell a GP-100 in > good condition, now is your opportunity to wax effusive about Line 6's > products... > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 12 06:52:05 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA07804; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 06:52:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 06:52:05 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <000401bfa46a$f294f440$b1f538cb@oemcomputer> From: "Steven Woods" To: References: Subject: Re: GP-100 v Line 6 Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 20:36:20 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"_g40V2.0.Ai1.e55zu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13439 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mark Perhaps you should consider the new Fender amp which uses tubes and DSP to give the sound of 100 top amp tones, it will be released at Namm. There is comment at www.fenderforum.com by Ritchie Fliegler about it. A public statement is to be released in June. It is claimed to be far superior to Line 6 type products There is a Fender email list unclebill@fender.com by Morgan Ringworld and I saw another Fender one today www.fender.com Steven Woods Australia stevenw@comcen.com.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Hamburg" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2000 2:53 PM Subject: OT: GP-100 v Line 6 > I'm contemplating replacing my GP-100 with a Line 6 Flextone II and I > wondered if anyone on this list had any comments in this regard. > > The pros and cons I can list without much experience with the Flextones... > > Pros: More direct controls. More amp models. Easily able to use it outside > of my studio. (This last one is the big selling point. I'm tired of not > having a guitar amp.) > > Cons: Obviously less powerful in terms of range of effects and in terms of > the control over the effects. > > Has anyone done a comparison of the sound quality of the GP-100 v. the > various Line 6 products? Or, if I were to stick with what I've got, does > anyone have any recommendations on a reasonable amp to use with the GP-100 > so that I would have some mobility. > > Thanks. > Mark > > P.S. And of course, if you've been hoping someone would sell a GP-100 in > good condition, now is your opportunity to wax effusive about Line 6's > products... > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 12 09:22:29 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA20261; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 09:22:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 09:22:29 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Wjguitar@aol.com Message-ID: <74.2ad6415.2625ce25@aol.com> Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 09:03:33 EDT Subject: Re: amps To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 101 Resent-Message-ID: <"ROtq82.0.wX4.DH7zu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13440 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Ive heard that the Yamaha DG-80-212 is supposed to be something special! For acoustic "clean" guitar sounds....check out the UltraSound amps....brand new, and catching on like wild fire! Best sounding acoustic guitar amp I've ever heard. Click here: UltraSoundAmps.com.. I use the Ultrasound amps in a stereo mode with RMC pickups, fanout box for panning each of the six strings in a different position in the stereo field...I also use a GR-1 and GR-30 midi'd together, and a pair of EDP's and a Jam Man, and a tap guitar which I designed which is a flamenco guitar with 19 midi triggers for drum's on the face and rim of the instrument...ideal for looping....sounds like an orchestra. Regards, Wayne From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 12 10:04:34 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA24369; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 10:04:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 10:04:34 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <017001bfa485$abb75e30$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: Subject: Re: amps Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 08:47:40 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"FTbjI.0.Kj5.E_7zu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13441 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wayne, OK! We need evidence of what your gear sounds like! And we will accept nothing less than audio recordings! (Please?) Of course, we COULD see a live show IF we knew where. So where? In a pinch, I suppose MP3s or the like will do. Dennis Leas ----------------------------- dennis@mdbs.com -----Original Message----- From: Wjguitar@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Wednesday, April 12, 2000 8:36 AM Subject: Re: amps >Ive heard that the Yamaha DG-80-212 is supposed to be something special! > >For acoustic "clean" guitar sounds....check out the UltraSound amps....brand >new, and catching on like wild fire! Best sounding acoustic guitar amp I've >ever heard. Click here: >UltraSoundAmps.com.. > >I use the Ultrasound amps in a stereo mode with RMC pickups, fanout box for >panning each of the six strings in a different position in the stereo >field...I also use a GR-1 and GR-30 midi'd together, and a pair of EDP's and >a Jam Man, and a tap guitar which I designed which is a flamenco guitar with >19 midi triggers for drum's on the face and rim of the instrument...ideal for >looping....sounds like an orchestra. > >Regards, Wayne > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 12 10:20:19 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA26262; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 10:20:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 10:20:19 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38F4FF1B.906ED7DB@vtx.ch> Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 15:56:27 -0700 From: Claude voit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: amps TAP guitar References: <74.2ad6415.2625ce25@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"BhId41.0.E16._C8zu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13442 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wjguitar@aol.com wrote: snipped and a tap guitar which I designed which is a flamenco guitar with > 19 midi triggers for drum's on the face and rim of the instrument...ideal for > looping....sounds like an orchestra. very very interested can you please elaborate a litle on the triggers brand and audio-midi conversion of the triggs the very percussive acc. guitar banger Claude From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 12 11:51:20 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA02663; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 11:51:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 11:51:20 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000412083257.007c47d0@pop3.argotech.net> X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 08:32:57 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Rich Subject: Re: GP-100 v Line 6 In-Reply-To: <000b01bfa44d$e291b460$8f368218@we.mediaone.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"Xmcmb2.0.yP.Ya9zu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13443 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com With the new Flextone II, you can do this as well, or you can always get a POD (for your studio work), and run it through a transparent power amp and cabinet (for live). POD settings and now the Flex II settings can be stored and shared via the computer and line6 website. rich At 12:08 AM 4/12/00 -0700, you wrote: >Make sure you look at Yamaha's amps- they are real nice and you can store >and share patches on your computer- > >Cliff > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Mark Hamburg" >To: >Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2000 9:53 PM >Subject: OT: GP-100 v Line 6 > > >> I'm contemplating replacing my GP-100 with a Line 6 Flextone II and I >> wondered if anyone on this list had any comments in this regard. >> >> The pros and cons I can list without much experience with the Flextones... >> >> Pros: More direct controls. More amp models. Easily able to use it outside >> of my studio. (This last one is the big selling point. I'm tired of not >> having a guitar amp.) >> >> Cons: Obviously less powerful in terms of range of effects and in terms of >> the control over the effects. >> >> Has anyone done a comparison of the sound quality of the GP-100 v. the >> various Line 6 products? Or, if I were to stick with what I've got, does >> anyone have any recommendations on a reasonable amp to use with the GP-100 >> so that I would have some mobility. >> >> Thanks. >> Mark >> >> P.S. And of course, if you've been hoping someone would sell a GP-100 in >> good condition, now is your opportunity to wax effusive about Line 6's >> products... >> >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 12 12:00:29 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA03601; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 12:00:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 12:00:29 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <002201bfa496$bec9a940$0200a8c0@Russell> From: "Russell" To: References: <012701bfa508$fedbc3c0$88aa5cd1@-> Subject: Re: EMUSIC Playlist Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 09:49:53 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <"jN_Gh2.0.Ol.Wn9zu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13444 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Please remove me from your list. ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Fox To: Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2000 11:27 PM Subject: EMUSIC Playlist [Best viewed with a fixed spacing font.] EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ. Show #159 April 6, 2000. On this show, I began a month-long focus on the second annual NEARfest, North East Art Rock Festival in Bethlehem, Pennsylvania. The Feature CD at Midnight was Sideshow by Iluvatar on the Kinesis label. ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== 11:04 pm VA [Tranquillity] Cosmo Poly Tone Gift (Invisible Shadows) Rober Rich live phone interview underscored by two Humidity tracks: Robert Rich Beyond Part 1 Humidity (Hypnos) Robert Rich Beyond Part 2 Humidity (Hypnos) Keller & Schonwalder Beam me up... More Loops (Manilin)% Jeff Pearce A Fading To the Shores of Heaven (Hypnos) VA [Saul Stokes] Ivaneer Voyager (AdAstra) ++ Steve Roach Midnight Loom Midnight Moon (Projekt) ++ 12:00 am Iluvatar Cracker Sideshow (Kinesis) Iluvatar New Found Key Sideshow (Kinesis) Iluvatar All We Are Sideshow (Kinesis) Iluvatar Marionette Sideshow (Kinesis) Iluvatar Emperor's New Clothes Sideshow (Kinesis) Iluvatar Funk Massage Sideshow (Kinesis) Iluvatar Sparks Sideshow (Kinesis) Iluvatar Eye Next to Glass Sideshow (Kinesis) 1:00 am * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) ++ = This CD will be available as a thank you gift during the up coming WDIY Membership Drive only during EMUSIC on April 6, 2000. Also available, a variety of CDs from the AdAstra label. % = By request of Glyn Morton in Ireland who's trying to start an EM programme. On the next EMUSIC, I'll continue the month-long focus on the second annual NEARfest, The feature CD at midnight will be a compilation provided by NEARfest organizers. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 12 12:39:51 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA08011; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 12:39:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 12:39:51 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 09:28:57 -0700 From: Alan Barnard Subject: RE: EMUSIC Playlist In-reply-to: <002201bfa496$bec9a940$0200a8c0@Russell> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Resent-Message-ID: <"oGM_m3.0.Bn1.FJAzu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13445 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is getting a little absurd... :) > -----Original Message----- > From: Russell [mailto:russell@mamasutra.com] > Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2000 8:50 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Subject: Re: EMUSIC Playlist > > > Please remove me from your list. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Bill Fox > To: > Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2000 11:27 PM > Subject: EMUSIC Playlist > > > [Best viewed with a fixed spacing font.] > > EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, airs each Thursday > at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in > Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ. > > Show #159 April 6, 2000. > > On this show, I began a month-long focus on the second annual NEARfest, > North > East Art Rock Festival in Bethlehem, Pennsylvania. The Feature CD at > Midnight > was Sideshow by Iluvatar on the Kinesis label. > > > ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) > ======================= ======================== > ============================== > 11:04 pm > VA [Tranquillity] Cosmo Poly Tone Gift (Invisible Shadows) > Rober Rich live phone interview underscored by two Humidity tracks: > Robert Rich Beyond Part 1 Humidity (Hypnos) > Robert Rich Beyond Part 2 Humidity (Hypnos) > Keller & Schonwalder Beam me up... More Loops (Manilin)% > Jeff Pearce A Fading To the Shores of Heaven > (Hypnos) > VA [Saul Stokes] Ivaneer Voyager (AdAstra) ++ > Steve Roach Midnight Loom Midnight Moon > (Projekt) ++ > > 12:00 am > Iluvatar Cracker Sideshow (Kinesis) > Iluvatar New Found Key Sideshow (Kinesis) > Iluvatar All We Are Sideshow (Kinesis) > Iluvatar Marionette Sideshow (Kinesis) > Iluvatar Emperor's New Clothes Sideshow (Kinesis) > Iluvatar Funk Massage Sideshow (Kinesis) > Iluvatar Sparks Sideshow (Kinesis) > Iluvatar Eye Next to Glass Sideshow (Kinesis) > > 1:00 am > > * = exerpt > VA = Various Artists (compilation) > ++ = This CD will be available as a thank you gift during the up > coming WDIY > Membership > Drive only during EMUSIC on April 6, 2000. Also available, a variety > of CDs from > the AdAstra label. > % = By request of Glyn Morton in Ireland who's trying to start an EM > programme. > > On the next EMUSIC, I'll continue the month-long focus on the > second annual > NEARfest, > The feature CD at midnight will be a compilation provided by NEARfest > organizers. > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 12 13:15:41 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA12071; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 13:15:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 13:15:41 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: McCullaghJ@Logica.com Subject: EMUSIC Playlist: the Phantom Menace To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.2b (Intl) 16 December 1999 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 17:47:08 +0100 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on DublinDomino01/SRV/Aldiscon(Release 5.0.2c (Intl)|2 February 2000) at 12/04/2000 17:47:11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"-J1oZ3.0.HC2.9ZAzu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13446 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com What's the deal with that EMUSIC playlist? I have an automatic filter set up to keep all LD mails in one folder, but that playlist isn't tagged as being from LD .. it arrives each time saying "" .. anyone else getting this? Any idea why it's exempt from the normal routing niceties? As for folks being unable to get removed from the list, this would never have happened with HAL from 2001 .. he'd have had you outta there in a jiffy, and cut off your air supply for no extra charge. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 12 13:40:42 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA14906; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 13:40:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 13:40:42 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <001001bfa4a5$60dcb7a0$4008f7a5@desktop> From: "Judson Crane" To: References: <003901bfa4a4$cb8a6620$b87279a5@cliff> Subject: Re: EMUSIC Playlist: the Phantom Menace Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 13:34:37 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <"HLjf82.0.dP3.OEBzu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13448 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Same here. > Yeah- I get the same thing with the playlist- it's like spam to me- > automated and annoying- > > Cliff > > -----Original Message----- > From: McCullaghJ@Logica.com > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Date: Wednesday, April 12, 2000 10:20 AM > Subject: EMUSIC Playlist: the Phantom Menace > > > > > > > >What's the deal with that EMUSIC playlist? I have an automatic filter set > >up to keep all LD mails in one folder, but that playlist isn't tagged as > >being from LD .. it arrives each time saying > >"" .. anyone else getting this? Any > >idea why it's exempt from the normal routing niceties? > > > >As for folks being unable to get removed from the list, this would never > >have happened with HAL from 2001 .. he'd have had you outta there in a > >jiffy, and cut off your air supply for no extra charge. > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 12 13:31:27 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA13617; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 13:31:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 13:31:27 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <003901bfa4a4$cb8a6620$b87279a5@cliff> From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" To: Subject: Re: EMUSIC Playlist: the Phantom Menace Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 10:30:24 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Resent-Message-ID: <"F1PQi3.0.JC3.A7Bzu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13447 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Yeah- I get the same thing with the playlist- it's like spam to me- automated and annoying- Cliff -----Original Message----- From: McCullaghJ@Logica.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Wednesday, April 12, 2000 10:20 AM Subject: EMUSIC Playlist: the Phantom Menace > > >What's the deal with that EMUSIC playlist? I have an automatic filter set >up to keep all LD mails in one folder, but that playlist isn't tagged as >being from LD .. it arrives each time saying >"" .. anyone else getting this? Any >idea why it's exempt from the normal routing niceties? > >As for folks being unable to get removed from the list, this would never >have happened with HAL from 2001 .. he'd have had you outta there in a >jiffy, and cut off your air supply for no extra charge. > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 12 13:48:03 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA15736; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 13:48:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 13:48:03 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38F4B4A0.946DA69F@inreach.com> Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 10:38:41 -0700 From: eric X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: looping mp3 files References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"uQg2G1.0.sb3.dIBzu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13449 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Helloop, I'm just going ape-shit over this mp3 thing. I'm using SoundJam for the mac which is, i hear, the state of the art (for mac at least). BUT it can't do a lot of things that i want: cross fade automatically between tracks in a playlist, or even LOOPING. Even just the simplest looping function would be so much fun to play around with. Does anybody know of any software like this? Thanks! eobe From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 12 14:43:00 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA21538; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 14:43:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 14:43:00 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <016901bfa4ae$69dfc280$3f5dadc7@Douglas> From: "K. Douglas Baldwin" To: , Subject: Re: OT: Chandler Tone-X Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 14:37:18 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Content-Type: text/plain; boundary="----------------------------"; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <"RKuTQ.0.Q75.M8Czu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13451 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Howdy, "B" (may I call you "b"?) Chandler Tone-X is cool. Got one in an Ibanez Musician, had it in there for five years or more. Answers to yer q's: >according to the Chandler website it is a push/pull pot (i would guess >with some circuitage + 9V battery) Correct, and the battery lasts a very long time (months), which is nice. ... is the push/pull for bypass of >the wah effect or the 16db boost ... that is, is the wah always "on" or >can it be bypassed? The push-pull bypasses the wah effect, and when in the "down" position, the knob does nothing at all. The 16db boost is kinda automatically part of the wah effect, just like most wah pedals. if so is it true (or at least clean) bypass? I believe it is true bypass. if it >can be bypassed, in which position is it bypassed (pot "up" or pot >"down")? Bypassed in "down" position. See above. can the listed 16db gain be adjusted? (maybe a screw-pot >somewhere?) The unit is dirt simple, and so nothing can be tweaked. In fact, I believe it's a tiny circuit board epoxied to the push-pull pot. But a cool interaction happens with a normal tone control in tandem with the Tone-X> When you roll the normal tone pot back, it "tames" the Tone-X output. A real hard-to-control, ragged-ass midrange hump can be calmed into a mild resonance this way. ... how easy would it be to make one of these anyway? Probably dirt simple as the circuit, but you'd spend more money on parts and TIME than buying the prefab unit. Hope this helps. Altho this is off topic for loopers, I had to post it with the group because my private e-mail to you was rejected. Hmmm... do I stink of spam? Douglas Baldwin, Alpha male Coyote, the Trickster dbaldwin@suffolk.lib.ny.us From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 12 15:48:10 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA27239; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 15:48:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 15:48:10 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <138FAF0D3722D311BAD00000F8093163227DC7@hdo-exchange.corporate.southam.ca> From: "Bailey, Jim" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: EMUSIC Playlist: the Phantom Menace Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 15:23:04 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <"YQUV_3.0.YG6.fvCzu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13452 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Clifford@BienAppraisers [mailto:bienappraisers@mindspring.com] > Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2000 1:30 PM > > Yeah- I get the same thing with the playlist- it's like spam to me- > automated and annoying- > > -----Original Message----- > From: McCullaghJ@Logica.com > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > > > >What's the deal with that EMUSIC playlist? I have an > automatic filter set > >up to keep all LD mails in one folder, but that playlist > isn't tagged as > >being from LD .. it arrives each time saying > >"" .. anyone else > getting this? Any et al., Let's think about this. Filter keeps all LD mail in one folder; playlist is tagged "unknown recipients;" you get it anyway. Seems to me that one of those "unknown recipients" is the LD list. Perhaps that's why I get it with the digest also (but then, as such, I have the option of reading it or not). But why would he send it to the list? Could it be that several LD members have sent Bill material for his programme and they like to know when he plays something? That's my view of it. Jim Bailey From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 12 16:15:31 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA30375; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 16:15:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 16:15:31 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 05:45:30 +1000 X-Sender: simon@mail.dynamite.com.au Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <004901bfa4ab$8422cfa0$026d01d5@qpjjd> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Simon Subject: Unsub yourself you fuckin idiot! Re: fuckin unsubscribe me Cc: peterparka@btinternet.com Resent-Message-ID: <"k89hm.0.Qc6.f9Dzu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13453 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > unsubscribe my arse you stupid muthafuckerz unless you want me to >spam that ass. peterparka@btinternet.com I'm just a list member here, I don't need these threats turning up in my inbox! How in hell did you get here, you would think you could work out how to get off of the list yourself, or are you too fuckin stupid. If you didn't keep the welcome message when you first subbed, and you can't find the home page on the web with the unsub info, then too fuckin' bad loozer! From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 12 16:28:14 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA20108; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 14:25:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 14:25:13 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <004901bfa4ab$8422cfa0$026d01d5@qpjjd> From: "petertparka" To: Subject: fuckin unsubscribe me Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 19:18:31 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0046_01BFA4B3.E3CFA240" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Resent-Message-ID: <"cvdsT2.0._b4.dqBzu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13450 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0046_01BFA4B3.E3CFA240 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable unsubscribe my arse you stupid muthafuckerz unless you want me to spam = that ass. peterparka@btinternet.com ------=_NextPart_000_0046_01BFA4B3.E3CFA240 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
unsubscribe my arse you stupid muthafuckerz unless = you want me=20 to spam that ass.
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------=_NextPart_000_0046_01BFA4B3.E3CFA240-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 12 17:04:22 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA02809; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 17:04:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 17:04:22 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <001401bfa4c2$1984af80$8f368218@we.mediaone.net> From: "Om_Audio" To: References: Subject: Re: Unsub yourself you fuckin idiot! Re: fuckin unsubscribe me Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 14:00:13 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"dBN8N3.0.0Z.tEEzu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13454 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Simon- send this type of response directly to the sender- not the list- Cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Simon" To: Cc: Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2000 12:45 PM Subject: Unsub yourself you fuckin idiot! Re: fuckin unsubscribe me > > unsubscribe my arse you stupid muthafuckerz unless you want me to > >spam that ass. peterparka@btinternet.com > > I'm just a list member here, I don't need these threats turning up in my inbox! > > How in hell did you get here, you would think you could work out how to get > off of the list yourself, or are you too fuckin stupid. > > If you didn't keep the welcome message when you first subbed, and you can't > find the home page on the web with the unsub info, then too fuckin' bad > loozer! > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 12 19:24:20 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA14527; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 19:24:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 19:24:20 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000412231328.24998.qmail@web3406.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 16:13:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Aaron Schindler Subject: Re: Unsub yourself you fuckin idiot! Re: fuckin unsubscribe me To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"prbys2.0.MP3.zCGzu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13455 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com could you please send your reply to his resonse to the first request directly to him - not the list. : ) --- Om_Audio wrote: > Simon- send this type of response directly to the > sender- not the list- > > Cliff > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Simon" > To: > Cc: > Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2000 12:45 PM > Subject: Unsub yourself you fuckin idiot! Re: fuckin > unsubscribe me > > > > > unsubscribe my arse you stupid muthafuckerz > unless you want me to > > >spam that ass. peterparka@btinternet.com > > > > I'm just a list member here, I don't need these > threats turning up in my > inbox! > > > > How in hell did you get here, you would think you > could work out how to > get > > off of the list yourself, or are you too fuckin > stupid. > > > > If you didn't keep the welcome message when you > first subbed, and you > can't > > find the home page on the web with the unsub info, > then too fuckin' bad > > loozer! > > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send online invitations with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 12 19:44:36 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA16554; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 19:44:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 19:44:36 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 09:41:19 +1000 X-Sender: simon@mail.dynamite.com.au Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20000412231328.24998.qmail@web3406.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Simon Subject: Apologies...Re: Unsub yourself you etc. etc. Resent-Message-ID: <"pWdKW3.0.D-3.mcGzu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13456 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Yes, sorry apologies to the list, I should have sent this private. Sorry to have offended anyone (except the person it was intended for) Simon Canberra AUSTRALIA From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 12 20:28:26 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA20615; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 20:28:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 20:28:26 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: doug@pop.lightlink.com Message-Id: Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 20:19:53 -0400 To: opcode-users@topica.com, Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, spacemusic@onelist.com From: Doug Wyatt Subject: Mother Mallard/Washington DC Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <"bBtX3.0.rv4.BDHzu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13457 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I'm performing with Mother Mallard, the world's first performing synthesizer ensemble, in Washington DC, this coming Saturday, April 15th, at the American History museum. For details: http://www.mothermallard.cornell.edu Doug -- Doug Wyatt doug@sonosphere.com http://www.sonosphere.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 12 20:45:57 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA22564; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 20:45:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 20:45:57 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 19:41:58 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <200004130041.TAA00882@servidor.unam.mx> X-Sender: smaug@servidor.unam.mx X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Andy Soto Subject: Re: Unsub yourself you fuckin idiot! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by rosy.yourwebhost.com id UAA22201 Resent-Message-ID: <"r7oRi2.0.7R5.9WHzu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13458 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com How about fucking spam your arse??? I could flood you with mail for the rest of your life if you keep saying things like that, if you don´t know how to fucking unsuscribe, then sure you deserve to be spamed... it´s up to you buddy... At 05:45 a.m. 13/04/00 +1000, you wrote: >> unsubscribe my arse you stupid muthafuckerz unless you want me to >>spam that ass. peterparka@btinternet.com > >I'm just a list member here, I don't need these threats turning up in my inbox! > >How in hell did you get here, you would think you could work out how to get >off of the list yourself, or are you too fuckin stupid. > >If you didn't keep the welcome message when you first subbed, and you can't >find the home page on the web with the unsub info, then too fuckin' bad >loozer! > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 12 21:01:17 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA24226; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 21:01:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 21:01:17 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 18:53:51 -0500 From: "Ben Porter" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sent-Mail: off X-Mailer: MailCity Service Subject: Re: OT: GP-100 v Line 6 X-Sender-Ip: 146.229.222.59 Organization: N2Mail (http://www.n2mail.com:80) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Language: en Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"xRj-11.0.Dp5.ojHzu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13459 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Well, I've never tried either of those units, so I cant't help you there. But, there are several things you could do about amplifying the GP-100. The easiest to carry would be a "mini PA combo amp"; i.e. an acoustic guitar amplifier or a keyboard amp. There are lots of these out there. My favorite would have to be the Fender SFX acoustic and keyboard amps. There are also powered PA speakers out now by JBL and Mackie. You could also buy a power amp and some speakers. You could get guitar or PA speakers. Or, you could get a powered mixer. It doesn't really matter. If you are using to GP-100 direct and just want something to amplify the sound your getting with it, pretty much anything in the way of PA equipment would probably work. Any amp with the words "keyboard" or "acoustic" used to describe them could also work, as well. Now, I have a question for you. I have been looking at the GP-100 to use purely as an effects processor for the guitar. I can't find any info about the GP-100 being used like this and was wondering if you would answer some questions of mine aobut it (off the list, of course)? Thanks. Over and out. Ben Porter. -- On Tue, 11 Apr 2000 21:53:55 Mark Hamburg wrote: >I'm contemplating replacing my GP-100 with a Line 6 Flextone II and I >wondered if anyone on this list had any comments in this regard. > >The pros and cons I can list without much experience with the Flextones... > >Pros: More direct controls. More amp models. Easily able to use it outside >of my studio. (This last one is the big selling point. I'm tired of not >having a guitar amp.) > >Cons: Obviously less powerful in terms of range of effects and in terms of >the control over the effects. > >Has anyone done a comparison of the sound quality of the GP-100 v. the >various Line 6 products? Or, if I were to stick with what I've got, does >anyone have any recommendations on a reasonable amp to use with the GP-100 >so that I would have some mobility. > >Thanks. >Mark > >P.S. And of course, if you've been hoping someone would sell a GP-100 in >good condition, now is your opportunity to wax effusive about Line 6's >products... > > > What are you N2? Choose from 150 free e-mail addresses. http://www.n2mail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 12 21:12:19 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA25190; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 21:12:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 21:12:19 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <012101bfa4e5$613ae920$44310140@concentric.net> From: "Larry Tremblay" To: , , References: Subject: Re: Mother Mallard/Washington DC Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 21:12:45 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"w9rmY3.0.G36.WuHzu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13460 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hey Doug, Will Mother Mallard get down this way, in Charlotte, NC? We're the New South, you know, and need some Kulture. - Larry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Wyatt" To: ; ; Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2000 8:19 PM Subject: Mother Mallard/Washington DC > I'm performing with Mother Mallard, the world's first performing > synthesizer ensemble, in Washington DC, this coming Saturday, April > 15th, at the American History museum. > > For details: > > http://www.mothermallard.cornell.edu > > Doug > > -- > Doug Wyatt doug@sonosphere.com > http://www.sonosphere.com/ > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 12 23:23:42 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA05828; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 23:23:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 23:23:42 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <010d01bfa5be$b17a1300$65aa5cd1@-> From: "Bill Fox" To: "Allan Hoeltje" Cc: "Loopers Delight" Subject: Re: REMOVE : EMUSIC Playlist Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 23:08:20 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"bvuaj2.0.Cy.laJzu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13461 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Dear Allan, You are not on my list, Loopers Delight is. As a member of LD, I have the right to post to the list. LD members who have received airplay on my show haven't considered my playlists spam. Same goes for LD members who didn't know a show like mine existed, are looking for an outlet for their music, and have submitted music to me for airplay consideration as a result. Since you miss the point of my posts, it is no wonder that they disturb you. I am sorry for that. It is rather pointless to try to get listeners from outside of the Lehigh Valley so that is obviously not the point of posting my playlists. I have been doing this for years so all I can recommend is that you discuss this with our list owner. By request of a list owner, I have taken EMUSIC-L off my distribution. I continue to post to SYNTH-L, owned by the same people who own EMUSIC-L. I will honor Kim's wishes, should he make them known, though he has never mentioned anything to me in the several months (nealy a year?) I've been an LD member. I am copying this to the list as there seems to be an uproar starting about my posts. I send them to Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com as the digest header explains. Why my playlists show up in any other than the prescribed manner is beyond my control and understanding. I see that my Subject shows up in the digest's header just like everyone else's posts do so I have had no indication until now that anything was amiss. Kim, please state the LD rules of engagement which I will gladly follow, of course. Best regards to all, Bill billfox@fast.net http://wdiyfm.org ============================================================ Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. Email me if you wish to submit music for airplay consideration. -----Original Message----- From: Allan Hoeltje To: billfox@fast.net Date: Wednesday, April 12, 2000 3:30 PM Subject: REMOVE : EMUSIC Playlist >Will you please take me off your list? Or are you just spamming everyone on >Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com and not just me? Even though I would probably >like the music you play on your radio station, the fact that I do not live even >remotely near PA or NJ means I have no way to listen. Basically, I think your >approach to getting listeners is exploitive and it really bothers me that I have >to delete your mail on an all too regular basis! > >Get me off your list. > >Get Loopers-Delight off your list. > >Thank you. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 12 23:23:36 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA05817; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 23:23:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 23:23:36 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: doug@pop.lightlink.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <012101bfa4e5$613ae920$44310140@concentric.net> References: <012101bfa4e5$613ae920$44310140@concentric.net> Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 23:16:52 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Doug Wyatt Subject: Re: Mother Mallard/Washington DC Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <"4StNg2.0.7J1.MnJzu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13462 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 21:12 -0400 4/12/00, Larry Tremblay wrote: >Hey Doug, Will Mother Mallard get down this way, >in Charlotte, NC? We're the New South, you know, and >need some Kulture. Hi Larry, I joined the group in 1998 and this is only our third concert since then. I imagine we'd play anywhere as long as we didn't lose too much money on the deal (which isn't easy when there are 9 people in the band and a mix engineer). Doug -- Doug Wyatt doug@sonosphere.com http://www.sonosphere.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 12 23:48:26 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA08690; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 23:48:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 23:48:26 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 20:38:03 -0700 From: Alan Barnard Subject: RE: REMOVE : EMUSIC Playlist In-reply-to: <010d01bfa5be$b17a1300$65aa5cd1@-> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Resent-Message-ID: <"Yv1t81.0.fx1.q8Kzu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13463 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I, for one, am perfectly happy receiving Bill's posts. Best regards, Alan Barnard. ________________________________ Alan Barnard Digital Drummer/Percussionist e-drums@pacbell.net http://www.kiene.com/epercussion > -----Original Message----- > From: Bill Fox [mailto:billfox@fast.net] > Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2000 8:08 PM > To: Allan Hoeltje > Cc: Loopers Delight > Subject: Re: REMOVE : EMUSIC Playlist > > > Dear Allan, > > You are not on my list, Loopers Delight is. As a member of LD, I have the > right to post to the list. LD members who have received airplay > on my show > haven't considered my playlists spam. Same goes for LD members who didn't > know a show like mine existed, are looking for an outlet for their music, > and have submitted music to me for airplay consideration as a > result. Since > you miss the point of my posts, it is no wonder that they disturb > you. I am > sorry for that. It is rather pointless to try to get listeners > from outside > of the Lehigh Valley so that is obviously not the point of posting my > playlists. I have been doing this for years so all I can > recommend is that > you discuss this with our list owner. By request of a list owner, I have > taken EMUSIC-L off my distribution. I continue to post to > SYNTH-L, owned by > the same people who own EMUSIC-L. I will honor Kim's wishes, > should he make > them known, though he has never mentioned anything to me in the several > months (nealy a year?) I've been an LD member. > > I am copying this to the list as there seems to be an uproar > starting about > my posts. I send them to Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com as the digest > header explains. Why my playlists show up in any other than the > prescribed > manner is beyond my control and understanding. I see that my > Subject shows > up in the digest's header just like everyone else's posts do so I have had > no indication until now that anything was amiss. Kim, please state the LD > rules of engagement which I will gladly follow, of course. > > Best regards to all, > > Bill billfox@fast.net http://wdiyfm.org > ============================================================ > Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. > Thursdays at > 11pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and > Phillipsburg. Email me if you wish to submit music for airplay > consideration. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Allan Hoeltje > To: billfox@fast.net > Date: Wednesday, April 12, 2000 3:30 PM > Subject: REMOVE : EMUSIC Playlist > > > >Will you please take me off your list? Or are you just spamming everyone > on > >Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com and not just me? Even though I would > probably > >like the music you play on your radio station, the fact that I > do not live > even > >remotely near PA or NJ means I have no way to listen. Basically, I think > your > >approach to getting listeners is exploitive and it really > bothers me that I > have > >to delete your mail on an all too regular basis! > > > >Get me off your list. > > > >Get Loopers-Delight off your list. > > > >Thank you. > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 13 00:09:37 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA11091; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 00:09:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 00:09:37 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 19:56:41 -0500 From: "Ben Porter" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sent-Mail: off X-Expiredinmiddle: true X-Mailer: MailCity Service Subject: Re: OT: GP-100 v Line 6 X-Sender-Ip: 146.229.222.59 Organization: N2Mail (http://www.n2mail.com:80) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Language: en Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"YSwRp2.0.BX2.FQKzu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13464 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Well, I've never tried either of those units, so I cant't help you there. But, there are several things you could do about amplifying the GP-100. The easiest to carry would be a "mini PA combo amp"; i.e. an acoustic guitar amplifier or a keyboard amp. There are lots of these out there. My favorite would have to be the Fender SFX acoustic and keyboard amps. There are also powered PA speakers out now by JBL and Mackie. You could also buy a power amp and some speakers. You could get guitar or PA speakers. Or, you could get a powered mixer. It doesn't really matter. If you are using to GP-100 direct and just want something to amplify the sound your getting with it, pretty much anything in the way of PA equipment would probably work. Any amp with the words "keyboard" or "acoustic" used to describe them could also work, as well. Now, I have a question for you. I have been looking at the GP-100 to use purely as an effects processor for the guitar. I can't find any info about the GP-100 being used like this and was wondering if you would answer some questions of mine aobut it (off the list, of course)? Thanks. Over and out. Ben Porter. -- On Tue, 11 Apr 2000 21:53:55 Mark Hamburg wrote: >I'm contemplating replacing my GP-100 with a Line 6 Flextone II and I >wondered if anyone on this list had any comments in this regard. > >The pros and cons I can list without much experience with the Flextones... > >Pros: More direct controls. More amp models. Easily able to use it outside >of my studio. (This last one is the big selling point. I'm tired of not >having a guitar amp.) > >Cons: Obviously less powerful in terms of range of effects and in terms of >the control over the effects. > >Has anyone done a comparison of the sound quality of the GP-100 v. the >various Line 6 products? Or, if I were to stick with what I've got, does >anyone have any recommendations on a reasonable amp to use with the GP-100 >so that I would have some mobility. > >Thanks. >Mark > >P.S. And of course, if you've been hoping someone would sell a GP-100 in >good condition, now is your opportunity to wax effusive about Line 6's >products... > > > What are you N2? Choose from 150 free e-mail addresses. http://www.n2mail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 13 00:44:33 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA18473; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 00:44:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 00:44:33 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000413042819.14269.qmail@web117.yahoomail.com> Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 21:28:19 -0700 (PDT) From: John Tidwell Subject: Re: fuckin unsubscribe me (or the Green Goblin gets it!) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"I39Fk1.0.Y44.gpKzu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13465 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Who would have thought that Spiderman could have so much trouble with a web-site? --- petertparka wrote: > unsubscribe my arse you stupid muthafuckerz unless > you want me to spam that ass. > peterparka@btinternet.com > ===== John Tidwell __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send online invitations with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 13 02:04:42 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA26693; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 02:04:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 02:04:42 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 22:53:40 -0700 From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: REMOVE : EMUSIC Playlist In-reply-to: <010d01bfa5be$b17a1300$65aa5cd1@-> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"R4Tln1.0.fN6.I6Mzu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13467 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 8:08 PM -0700 4/13/00, Bill Fox wrote: > I will honor Kim's wishes, should he make >them known, though he has never mentioned anything to me in the several >months (nealy a year?) I've been an LD member. > My wish is that I not have to be list dictator. You, the community that is Looper's Delight, should work together to figure out how to solve problems that come up. It's anarchy: everybody's equally in charge. My *opinion* is that Bill's posts seem reasonably on topic. They certainly don't bug me the way posts about guitar amps and string gauges bug me. :-) >I am copying this to the list as there seems to be an uproar starting about >my posts. I send them to Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com as the digest >header explains. Why my playlists show up in any other than the prescribed >manner is beyond my control and understanding. I see that my Subject shows >up in the digest's header just like everyone else's posts do so I have had >no indication until now that anything was amiss. Kim, please state the LD >rules of engagement which I will gladly follow, of course. People probably need to set their mail filters to check "any header". When the list address is in the bcc field, fitering on the to: field won't catch it. When mail comes through the list there will be a variety of headers added with the list address. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 13 02:09:45 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA27297; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 02:09:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 02:09:45 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <004401bfa50c$e4a6f200$e1d89b3e@oemcomputer> From: L.Angulo@t-online.de (Luis Angulo) To: References: <3.0.6.32.20000412083257.007c47d0@pop3.argotech.net> Subject: Re: GP-100 v Line 6 Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 07:54:16 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Sender: 320086123907-0001@t-dialin.net Resent-Message-ID: <"W4Erz1.0.D86.VzLzu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13466 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hello there, The GP 100 is actually a very nice preamp a lot of pros(fripp,gun,etc.) are using this unit. Quite complex but fairly easy to use.I tried the POD and is also very nice,portable and easy to use but i heard the midi capabilities are not as complex.It depends on what your looking for. Luis > With the new Flextone II, you can do this as well, or you can always get a > POD (for your studio work), and run it through a transparent power amp and > cabinet (for live). POD settings and now the Flex II settings can be > stored and shared via the computer and line6 website. > > rich > > > At 12:08 AM 4/12/00 -0700, you wrote: > >Make sure you look at Yamaha's amps- they are real nice and you can store > >and share patches on your computer- > > > >Cliff > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Mark Hamburg" > >To: > >Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2000 9:53 PM > >Subject: OT: GP-100 v Line 6 > > > > > >> I'm contemplating replacing my GP-100 with a Line 6 Flextone II and I > >> wondered if anyone on this list had any comments in this regard. > >> > >> The pros and cons I can list without much experience with the Flextones... > >> > >> Pros: More direct controls. More amp models. Easily able to use it outside > >> of my studio. (This last one is the big selling point. I'm tired of not > >> having a guitar amp.) > >> > >> Cons: Obviously less powerful in terms of range of effects and in terms of > >> the control over the effects. > >> > >> Has anyone done a comparison of the sound quality of the GP-100 v. the > >> various Line 6 products? Or, if I were to stick with what I've got, does > >> anyone have any recommendations on a reasonable amp to use with the GP-100 > >> so that I would have some mobility. > >> > >> Thanks. > >> Mark > >> > >> P.S. And of course, if you've been hoping someone would sell a GP-100 in > >> good condition, now is your opportunity to wax effusive about Line 6's > >> products... > >> > >> > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 13 03:08:21 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA00420; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 03:08:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 03:08:21 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000413070422.25210.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [199.179.162.76] Reply-To: dj_devious_d@hotmail.com From: "Devious D_MasterMixer" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: looping mp3 files Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 00:04:22 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"oLtiN2.0.mx7.M6Nzu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13469 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com YEA !!!! Cool Edit Pro 2000, with the Studio Preview (or pliugin). But, I am not sure if it's for the MAC..... ----Original Message Follows---- From: eric Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: looping mp3 files Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 10:38:41 -0700 Helloop, I'm just going ape-shit over this mp3 thing. I'm using SoundJam for the mac which is, i hear, the state of the art (for mac at least). BUT it can't do a lot of things that i want: cross fade automatically between tracks in a playlist, or even LOOPING. Even just the simplest looping function would be so much fun to play around with. Does anybody know of any software like this? Thanks! eobe ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 13 03:11:44 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA00666; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 03:11:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 03:11:44 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38F5711B.67B52248@dmans.com> Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 02:02:51 -0500 From: "Mikell D.Nelson" Organization: Boomerang Musical Products X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: OT: GP-100 v Line 6 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"4iu-p.0.Xo7.T0Nzu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13468 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi, I bought a Flextone with 2 10" speakers and the companion floorboard controller. The master volume pedal was designed wrong in my opinion. It reduces the signal before the pre amp or distortion producing part of the amp when it should reduce the signal after this stage. If you have a great overdrive tone, reducing the volume cleans the tone up, exactly like turning down the volume knob on your guitar. It should keep the same tone, but just reduce the volume. Also, the tones were one dimensional. For example, I found a great SRV type tone, but it only worked on my neck pickup and only for single note leads. It just lost its appeal when backing off the volume a little to play chords or double stop licks. Also switching to another pickup didn't produce a very good tone. The Flex was too particular for my tastes. And finally, it just didn't have the feel and rich tone of my tube amps. If it was 80% of the way there I'd still have it, maybe even 70%... but it went back to the store. For reference I have a VHT Pittbull combo with 1 12", a VHT Pittbull head with a 2 12" cabinet, and a Crate VC3112; all tube amps. Mark Hamburg wrote: > I'm contemplating replacing my GP-100 with a Line 6 Flextone II and I > wondered if anyone on this list had any comments in this regard. > > The pros and cons I can list without much experience with the Flextones... > > Pros: More direct controls. More amp models. Easily able to use it outside > of my studio. (This last one is the big selling point. I'm tired of not > having a guitar amp.) > > Cons: Obviously less powerful in terms of range of effects and in terms of > the control over the effects. > > Has anyone done a comparison of the sound quality of the GP-100 v. the > various Line 6 products? Or, if I were to stick with what I've got, does > anyone have any recommendations on a reasonable amp to use with the GP-100 > so that I would have some mobility. > > Thanks. > Mark > > P.S. And of course, if you've been hoping someone would sell a GP-100 in > good condition, now is your opportunity to wax effusive about Line 6's > products... -- Mike Nelson Boomerang Musical Products 800-530-4699 PO Box 541595 214-340-6913, Outside USA Dallas, TX 75354-1595 214-343-1038, Fax http://www.boomerangmusic.com mnelson@dmans.com "Some products make you sound better; the Boomerang Phrase Sampler makes you play better." From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 13 06:21:45 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA18901; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 06:21:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 06:21:45 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: McCullaghJ@Logica.com Subject: Re: REMOVE : EMUSIC Playlist To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.2b (Intl) 16 December 1999 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 10:31:40 +0100 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on DublinDomino01/SRV/Aldiscon(Release 5.0.2c (Intl)|2 February 2000) at 13/04/2000 10:50:08 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"nCPfv2.0.h54.tXPzu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13470 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > I am copying this to the list as there seems to be > an uproar starting about my posts. Oh, not at all Bill .. I for one certainly don't mind getting the mail (although I can't receive the station, unfortunately). I'll alter my filtering rule as Kim explained, and no one need flame, spam or die ;-) I was just asking to see if I had gotten added to some other mailing list accidently. I had an idea that LD was a member of the EMUSIC mailing list, and that was the case. But I certainly don't mind, and didn't wish to contribute to this list turning into the UnsubscribeMeNowOrTheBunnyGetsIt list. best rgds, John From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 13 07:58:14 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA27295; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 07:58:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 07:58:14 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000413114412.21946.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [165.227.138.66] From: "David Potter" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: fuckin unsubscribe me Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 04:44:12 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"N2Mr_2.0.1N6.iCRzu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13471 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com compationate commumication...what the world needs more of....???????? >From: "petertparka" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >To: >Subject: fuckin unsubscribe me >Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 19:18:31 +0100 > >unsubscribe my arse you stupid muthafuckerz unless you want me to spam that >ass. >peterparka@btinternet.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 13 10:44:47 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA11723; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 10:44:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 10:44:47 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <02c101bfa54e$803eba90$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: Subject: Re: REMOVE : EMUSIC Playlist Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 08:45:16 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"0ayYj3.0.bP1.-2Tzu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13472 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com -----Original Message----- From: Bill Fox >I am copying this to the list as there seems to be an uproar starting about >my posts. I enjoy your posts to LD, Bill. If we're voting, I'm for you to continue posting. Dennis Leas ----------------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 13 11:06:24 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA14383; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 11:06:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 11:06:24 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <7BAC931E644ED211A90C00805F65CB640507CF76@georgia.exchange.indiana.edu> From: "Taaffe, Denis G" To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: fuckin unsubscribe me (or the Green Goblin gets it!) Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 09:08:12 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <"mxtYE.0.hz1.SLTzu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13474 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com hahaha...now that is funny... -----Original Message----- Fr Who would have thought that Spiderman could have so much trouble with a web-site? --- petertparka wrote: > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 13 11:13:19 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA15467; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 11:13:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 11:13:19 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: larry.peterson@autodesk.com Message-ID: <5976CCA1A985D311953900805FA7CAE36D4B53@hqmsgsrf07.autodesk.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: OT: Stick for sale Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 07:03:56 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <"rs82K3.0.Wk1.MFTzu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13473 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is Emmett's Grand Stick prototype. Oak w/green trapeziodal fret markers Green pickup housing - no volume controls Emmett etched his name onto the tension rod Fixed bridge - 7 melody, 5 bass I've had it for over 5 years. It's been played live in a number of situations and I've used it in my own recordings. There are very few scratches or other markings. Asking $1000 or best offer From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 13 11:10:10 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA14796; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 11:10:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 11:10:10 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 18:35:57 -0500 From: "Ben Porter" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sent-Mail: on X-Mailer: MailCity Service Subject: Re: OT: GP-100 v Line 6 X-Sender-Ip: 146.229.222.59 Organization: N2Mail (http://www.n2mail.com:80) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Language: en Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"cse432.0.Si2.LkTzu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13475 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Well, I've never tried either of those units, so I cant't help you there. But, there are several things you could do about amplifying the GP-100. The easiest to carry would be a "mini PA combo amp"; i.e. an acoustic guitar amplifier or a keyboard amp. There are lots of these out there. My favorite would have to be the Fender SFX acoustic and keyboard amps. There are also powered PA speakers out now by JBL and Mackie. You could also buy a power amp and some speakers. You could get guitar or PA speakers. Or, you could get a powered mixer. It doesn't really matter. If you are using to GP-100 direct and just want something to amplify the sound your getting with it, pretty much anything in the way of PA equipment would probably work. Any amp with the words "keyboard" or "acoustic" used to describe them could also work, as well. Now, I have a question for you. I have been looking at the GP-100 to use purely as an effects processor for the guitar. I can't find any info about the GP-100 being used like this and was wondering if you would answer some questions of mine aobut it (off the list, of course)? Thanks. Over and out. Ben Porter. -- On Tue, 11 Apr 2000 21:53:55 Mark Hamburg wrote: >I'm contemplating replacing my GP-100 with a Line 6 Flextone II and I >wondered if anyone on this list had any comments in this regard. > >The pros and cons I can list without much experience with the Flextones... > >Pros: More direct controls. More amp models. Easily able to use it outside >of my studio. (This last one is the big selling point. I'm tired of not >having a guitar amp.) > >Cons: Obviously less powerful in terms of range of effects and in terms of >the control over the effects. > >Has anyone done a comparison of the sound quality of the GP-100 v. the >various Line 6 products? Or, if I were to stick with what I've got, does >anyone have any recommendations on a reasonable amp to use with the GP-100 >so that I would have some mobility. > >Thanks. >Mark What are you N2? Choose from 150 free e-mail addresses. http://www.n2mail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 13 12:02:28 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA21802; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 12:02:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 12:02:28 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 08:26:40 -0700 From: "Mike Biffle" To: kflint@annihilist.com, Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: REMOVE : EMUSIC Playlist Resent-Message-ID: <"FOI0A.0.rH4.RTUzu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13476 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com List community, indeed! I also think Bill's postings are ON topic as well... I like knowing when looping in general or one of our list members is actually getting the airplay they deserve. Bill seems to be a HUGE supporter of creative music in general and I'd certainly think it would be a loss to have him leave or ignore this fertile group of creative and industrious individuals because of some senseless pissing match. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 13 12:17:20 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA23362; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 12:17:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 12:17:20 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38F5EE8D.20A4@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 08:58:06 -0700 From: scott kungha drengsen X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-MACOS8 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: REMOVE : EMUSIC Playlist References: <02c101bfa54e$803eba90$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"oNG4e2.0.rw4.OoUzu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13477 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I enjoy the lists as well.And because they often include list members I consider them an asset to our community. Scott Kungha Drengsen http://www.basscapes.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 13 13:52:22 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA02267; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 13:52:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 13:52:22 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: dmgraph@mail.earthlink.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <38F5EE8D.20A4@earthlink.net> References: <02c101bfa54e$803eba90$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 27 Aug 1956 20:59:21 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: David Myers Subject: Re: REMOVE : EMUSIC Playlist Resent-Message-ID: <"YAv_k.0.LO.SWWzu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13478 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com The only problem for me is that the show cannot be heard by 99% of listmembers. If Bill can get on internet radio, that is a different thing. Any possibility, Bill? >I enjoy the lists as well.And because they often include list members I >consider them an asset to our community. >Scott Kungha Drengsen From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 13 14:17:02 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA05428; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 14:17:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 14:17:02 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <001501bfa573$25c73ea0$b9242ed8@default> Reply-To: "Daniel D. Ferguson" From: "Daniel D. 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------=_NextPart_000_000C_01BFA551.1BBA6E40-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 13 15:09:36 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA11112; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 15:09:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 15:09:36 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000413184627.90629.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [205.155.29.96] From: "David Potter" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: REMOVE : EMUSIC Playlist Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 11:46:27 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"neEB12.0.Y22.aOXzu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13480 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Bill Has said that if I send him a tape he'd tape some of the looping stuff and send it to me. Maybe he could assemble a looping greatest hits tape and make it available. I'd love one HHHHHHHHHHhhmmmmmmm Bill??? Om and Out Papa Dave >From: David Myers >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Subject: Re: REMOVE : EMUSIC Playlist >Date: Mon, 27 Aug 1956 20:59:21 -0500 > >The only problem for me is that the show cannot be heard by 99% of >listmembers. If Bill can get on internet radio, that is a different thing. >Any possibility, Bill? > > >I enjoy the lists as well.And because they often include list members I > >consider them an asset to our community. > >Scott Kungha Drengsen > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 13 15:18:09 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA12562; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 15:18:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 15:18:09 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000413185816.50245.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [205.155.29.96] From: "David Potter" To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Re : Mede Mede Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 11:58:16 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"j4gJg.0.YR2.fZXzu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13481 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Below is an explaination of why I didn't get back about the DJRND2. A vocalist is coming over today to test of this looper. It is for a DJ set up. A vocalist with his hands free could have a ball. I do toning and Oming and vocal sound sculpture and this is great for it. The sound quality is great. Emmanuel is into letting some one else try it out. Does anyone know a DJ list that I could email to? I have an EDP, 2 jamman, a boomerang, DL4, an MPX 1 amongst other stuff as well so I will pass on this looper for now. Miko's description of this looper was a good one for most of us that use out hands on instruments. With a few inovations and a control pedal we would be all over it. Let me know if you want to try it out. The condition is sending it back to Perille in France. Om and Out Papa Dave >From: PERILLE >Reply-To: perille@club-internet.fr >To: papadave55@hotmail.com >Subject: Re : Mede Mede >Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 17:46:29 +0200 > > > Hi Emmanuel, Sorry but I've been out of town. Miko came last Fri. We >love > > the looper but as you said it is probably for a DJ guy. My son Jeremy >came > > back from his travel through India, Tailand, Laos,Indonesia,Bali and > > Australia. H was gone a year and a half. We were spending time >together at > > hot springs mineral bathes at Harbin Hot Springs... Tres magnific. I'll > > send the looper back or make it available to any one else that you >decide > > may be able to work it in to their rig. It just wasn't usable because I >am > > playing the guitar. > > Let me know what you want me to do. Om and Out Papa Dave > > > >Hi Papa Dave, > >If you eventually know some one else who could be interested in using it >as a homestudio, please let him play with it. Sound engineers ? pros ? > >You can keep it for a few days longer before sending it back home if you >feel some next opportunities. > >Thanks > >Emmanuel > >P.S did you checked out the polyphony audio quality for Larry Tremblay ? ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 13 15:48:35 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA16096; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 15:48:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 15:48:35 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C41303DA@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: shameless gig spam! so-cal style Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 15:18:05 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.10) Resent-Message-ID: <"kAMth1.0.C53.QsXzu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13482 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com We just want to make art. Is that so wrong? Saturday April 15th, 8 PM G.E. Stinson and Inner Ear present: Peter Kowald - bassist extraordinaire from Germany Anna Homler - mistress of sonic alchemy ** kowald is a legendary freejazz/improvising bassist; homler is the mistress of sonic alchemy" - - hard to describe but intriguing also... G.E. Stinson - electric guitars and implements Steuart Liebig - electric basses Christopher Garcia - drums, percussion, funny toy thing ** ge and i also do the loopage thang - - for that on-topic twist $10 at the door Conjunctive Points Dance Studio 3631 Hayden Ave. in Culver City, South of Washington Bl. between National and Higuera Streets. There's plenty of free parking in the public lot on Warner Drive. Go to http://www.inner-ear.com for more info and a map. http://www.cryptogramophone.com http://www.cryptoradio.com http://www.inner-ear.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 13 15:46:24 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA15872; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 15:46:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 15:46:24 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "future perfect" To: Subject: RE: REMOVE : EMUSIC Playlist Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 15:26:43 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"uMocK2.0.w83.guXzu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13483 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Agreed, although I do think I'd be lots more sympathetic towards Bill's postings if I saw *my* songs on there...hehe. I do think I sent Bill a CD or 2 before. Dave Eichenberger- guitars/loops/devices http://home1.gte.net/artmusic/dave 'Future Perfect' - art music http://home1.gte.net/artmusic/ > > The only problem for me is that the show cannot be heard by 99% of > listmembers. If Bill can get on internet radio, that is a > different thing. > Any possibility, Bill? From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 13 15:53:13 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA16633; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 15:53:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 15:53:13 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Echoechoparkpark@aol.com Message-ID: <26.4436ba4.2627797a@aol.com> Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 15:26:50 EDT Subject: Re: EH Microsynth differences To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 189 Resent-Message-ID: <"if5bt.0.dI3.W-Xzu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13485 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 4/9/0 11:26:45 AM, tiktok@sprintmail.com writes: >You're looking for a source more privileged than someone from the EH design >team...? EH has a legendary '70's stoner stigma-reputation, and there were so many variations on circuits and packaging that anyone who survived a rock guitar lifestyle from those times looks back at these pedals in confusion. Even Mike Matthews was unable to recall key aspects of some 1980 EH pedals I found. I've also been surprised at electronic engineers/designers in general with respect to how they remember circuits relative to how they really were/are! They've seen way too many circuits... >My own recollection is that several of the chorus-type units were the same >except for the external graphics (this was from a Guitar Shop interview >with >Mike Matthews). Polychorus=Polyflange, and some people say also = Echoflanger. I have not tried the Echoflanger, so cannot say. >I'm sure you can find people who hear an audible difference in Microsynths >(or any gear) of the same model. There are definite differences between the filter sets on the Micro and Bass Micro Synths. On a guitar, the Bass model imparts a warm, organ like filtered tone, where as the Micro's is perhaps a more reed-y oboe-like thing when dialed the same way and used with the same guitar. I have an old Micro and a reissue Bass, and the difference is useful enough to me to justify not getiing rid of either one! If you play bass, I would definitely recommend the Bass model over the Micro. eric p echo park From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 13 15:55:19 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA16798; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 15:55:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 15:55:19 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: KRosser414@aol.com Message-ID: <75.3046048.2627792e@aol.com> Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 15:25:34 EDT Subject: Re: GP-100 vs. Line 6 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 61 Resent-Message-ID: <"dd-ek2.0.cG3.IzXzu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13484 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 4/12/00 11:42:00 PM Pacific Daylight Time, Loopers-Delight-d-request@annihilist.com writes: << >I'm contemplating replacing my GP-100 with a Line 6 Flextone II and I >wondered if anyone on this list had any comments in this regard. >> I don't own either but have used them both in the studio. IMHO, the Boss has the superior sounding (and more exhaustive selection of) effects, and the Line 6 has the (far, far) superior sounding amp models. If I did a ton of studio work, I'd invest in GP-100 as well as a POD and take both. As far as live applications go, I think the Flextone II (or even the previous Flextone) sounds great, but is much more useful live if you replace the speaker with a Celestion or something similar that fattens the mids and warms it up a bit. A Vintage 30 or Black Shadow can usually be found for around $100 brand new and each handles the 60 watts easily. I'm very seriously considering doing this myself as we speak. I've experimented with someone else's and was pretty pleased with the results. Using the GP-100 live depends a lot on the kind of power amp and speakers you choose, but my personal taste with the preamp section and amp models is that they're pretty poor sounding. It does sound great, however, if you just bypass the preamp section entirely and use it as a programmable multi-effect. I have owned a GX-700 and did exactly that with excellent results. However, I sold the GX-700 when the Line 6 pedals came out. FWIW Ken R From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 13 16:19:20 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA19865; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 16:19:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 16:19:20 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Echoechoparkpark@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 16:10:59 EDT Subject: Hey Stig To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 189 Resent-Message-ID: <"_xxZo2.0.hc4.sdYzu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13487 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Are you playing with GE Stinson on Saturday? eric p echo park From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 13 16:24:18 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA20840; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 16:24:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 16:24:18 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Echoechoparkpark@aol.com Message-ID: <33.3b3e805.26278579@aol.com> Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 16:18:01 EDT Subject: Re: shameless gig spam! so-cal style To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Mac sub 189 Resent-Message-ID: <"bc3q71.0.Hq4.TkYzu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13488 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com How did you answer my question before I asked it? Impressive. I'll definitely have to see this ESP communication at work on Saturday at Conjunctive. Come on, L.A. loopers - I'll see you there. eric p echo park In a message dated 4/13/0 12:48:42 PM, LiebigSA@Maritz.com writes: >We just want to make art. Is that so wrong? > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 13 16:27:41 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA21262; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 16:27:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 16:27:41 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Echoechoparkpark@aol.com Message-ID: <6f.39811a4.26278365@aol.com> Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 16:09:09 EDT Subject: Nels Cline playing with Mark Isham tonite To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 189 Resent-Message-ID: <"Jn3Ol2.0.4Z4.CcYzu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13486 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Good fun to be had tonight with Nels on gtr and FX looping with EH 16. Mark Isham's SIlent Way project (you know - MILES influenced). Will Peter Maunu be playing, too? Hope so. The Mint in West Los Angeles. 9:30 PM From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 13 16:52:48 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA25049; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 16:52:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 16:52:48 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Echophazer@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 16:32:37 EDT Subject: Re: REMOVE : EMUSIC Playlist To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 25 Resent-Message-ID: <"jZJP9.0.TI5.9yYzu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13489 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I support the playlist. I enjoy the type of music on his show (looping or otherwise). Even though I'm far from being in the broadcast range I still find his list valuable for finding new music (and old) that I haven't heard yet. Keep up the good work Bill. Thanks, Peter B From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 13 16:54:46 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA25300; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 16:54:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 16:54:46 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C41303DC@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Hey Stig Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 16:37:14 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.10) Resent-Message-ID: <"PtuAR2.0.fZ5.e0Zzu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13490 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com si -----Original Message----- From: Echoechoparkpark@aol.com [mailto:Echoechoparkpark@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2000 13:11 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Hey Stig Are you playing with GE Stinson on Saturday? eric p echo park From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 13 17:12:38 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA27995; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 17:12:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 17:12:38 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <002001bfa58d$161f8740$7387abd4@h2v6p1> From: "luca" To: References: <75.3046048.2627792e@aol.com> Subject: R: GP-100 vs. Line 6 Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 23:09:43 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <"bHtba2.0.ag6.eRZzu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13491 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com .... Boss Gx 700 .... I think I could hardly sell mine; I think it is a real nice tool for two distant uses: noises, distorted noises that can come alive using the modulation tools (ring modulator) and the automatic wahs (in inverted sensitiveness). dry, transistor preamplified, sounds. A clear attack and a creamy and defined tone. IMHO it is one of those processors that has a real sense of being, if compared to the price. I use it in parallel with an Eventide Gtr 4000, a Digitech Gsp 2101 and an Edp. I feed it through an Advance Tube Technology tube mixer feeded by a Mesa Studio Preamp. I am just waiting to give the new Boss VF-1 a try and I suggest you to do the same before choosing. It is son of the "V" family (...VG-8) and has several emulations beside the effects. Ciao, Luca From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 13 17:55:16 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA32605; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 17:55:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 17:55:16 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C41303DA@migarexch01.maritz.com> Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 14:41:15 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Chris Chovit Subject: Re: shameless gig spam! so-cal style Resent-Message-ID: <"QhpuU3.0.rX7.HuZzu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13492 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Oh no: An LA loop gig (posted before the fact) and I have plans......Sorry to have to miss it. Thanks for letting us know, and I hope I'll catch the next one. Any other LA area loop gigs upcoming? - Chris >We just want to make art. Is that so wrong? > > > >Saturday April 15th, 8 PM >G.E. Stinson and Inner Ear present: > >Peter Kowald - bassist extraordinaire from Germany >Anna Homler - mistress of sonic alchemy > > >** kowald is a legendary freejazz/improvising bassist; homler is the >mistress of sonic alchemy" - - hard to describe but intriguing > > >also... > >G.E. Stinson - electric guitars and implements >Steuart Liebig - electric basses >Christopher Garcia - drums, percussion, funny toy thing > >** ge and i also do the loopage thang - - for that on-topic twist > > >$10 at the door > >Conjunctive Points Dance Studio >3631 Hayden Ave. in Culver City, >South of Washington Bl. between National and Higuera Streets. >There's plenty of free parking in the public lot on Warner Drive. > >Go to http://www.inner-ear.com for more info and a map. > > >http://www.cryptogramophone.com >http://www.cryptoradio.com >http://www.inner-ear.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 13 18:08:54 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA01427; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 18:08:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 18:08:54 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Sender: crash@waste.org From: Todd Madson To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Mac Audio Loopers Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 16:50:00 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: <"HVlka1.0.pt7.w4azu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13493 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Someone (maybe it was dj devious) asked about Mac loopers. I have links to both looper 1.5 and procrastination at my loop page. I didn't write 'em, I just use 'em: http://www.waste.org/~crash/loopage.html Enjoy them, and than their authors with goodies and such. -t From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 13 18:13:38 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA01891; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 18:13:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 18:13:38 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C41303E1@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: shameless gig spam! so-cal style Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 18:08:14 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.10) Resent-Message-ID: <"Rggsq3.0.aM.yLazu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13494 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com dunno about really soon. there may be some stuff in may (not necessarily me, also something in big sur), june maybe, august for sure (possible sf and santa cruz as well). that's it from me . . . others??? s -----Original Message----- From: Chris Chovit [mailto:cho@newdream.net] Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2000 14:41 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: shameless gig spam! so-cal style Oh no: An LA loop gig (posted before the fact) and I have plans......Sorry to have to miss it. Thanks for letting us know, and I hope I'll catch the next one. Any other LA area loop gigs upcoming? - Chris >We just want to make art. Is that so wrong? > > > >Saturday April 15th, 8 PM >G.E. Stinson and Inner Ear present: > >Peter Kowald - bassist extraordinaire from Germany >Anna Homler - mistress of sonic alchemy > > >** kowald is a legendary freejazz/improvising bassist; homler is the >mistress of sonic alchemy" - - hard to describe but intriguing > > >also... > >G.E. Stinson - electric guitars and implements >Steuart Liebig - electric basses >Christopher Garcia - drums, percussion, funny toy thing > >** ge and i also do the loopage thang - - for that on-topic twist > > >$10 at the door > >Conjunctive Points Dance Studio >3631 Hayden Ave. in Culver City, >South of Washington Bl. between National and Higuera Streets. >There's plenty of free parking in the public lot on Warner Drive. > >Go to http://www.inner-ear.com for more info and a map. > > >http://www.cryptogramophone.com >http://www.cryptoradio.com >http://www.inner-ear.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 13 18:58:17 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA06426; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 18:58:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 18:58:17 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 15:58:58 -0700 Subject: Re: Nels Cline playing with Mark Isham tonite From: Andrew Pask To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <6f.39811a4.26278365@aol.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"eotR33.0.NU1.m0bzu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13496 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Where where where? I wanna go. Where's the Mint? Cheers Andrew > From: Echoechoparkpark@aol.com > Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 16:09:09 EDT > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Subject: Nels Cline playing with Mark Isham tonite > Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 16:27:27 -0400 > > Good fun to be had tonight with Nels on gtr and FX looping with EH 16. > Mark Isham's SIlent Way project (you know - MILES influenced). > Will Peter Maunu be playing, too? Hope so. > > The Mint in West Los Angeles. 9:30 PM > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 13 19:04:01 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA07024; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 19:04:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 19:04:01 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 15:53:01 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel) Subject: Re: shameless gig spam! so-cal style Resent-Message-ID: <"k5huc3.0.ZG1.Lwazu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13495 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >We just want to make art. Is that so wrong? > > > >Saturday April 15th, 8 PM >G.E. Stinson and Inner Ear present: > >Peter Kowald - bassist extraordinaire from Germany While Stig and Co. are bound to be great, Kowald is not to be missed! Some years ago, a few friends of mine & I were trying to come up with the "World's Greatest Improvising Musician", I know, stupid idea, but Kowald was the only person we all agreed on as deserving the title. It really SUCKS that his current US tour seems to be going everywhere in the country except the Northwest! ____________________________________________ Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org Minus Web Site: http://listen.to/minusmusic Minus MP3's: http://www.mp3.com/-minus- ____________________________________________ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 13 19:28:09 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA09702; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 19:28:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 19:28:09 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 16:29:41 -0700 Subject: Re: shameless gig spam! so-cal style From: Andrew Pask To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"9QBoO1.0.eI2.fTbzu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13499 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I would like to second third and 4th that notion. This guy is a MONSTER. These creative Euro jazz people don't make it to LA much, enjoy it while you can.(I've got an unsubscribing gig, probably my only one this month, unsubscribe it) > From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel) > Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 15:53:01 -0700 > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Subject: Re: shameless gig spam! so-cal style > Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 19:03:55 -0400 > >> We just want to make art. Is that so wrong? >> >> >> >> Saturday April 15th, 8 PM >> G.E. Stinson and Inner Ear present: >> >> Peter Kowald - bassist extraordinaire from Germany > > While Stig and Co. are bound to be great, Kowald is not to be missed! Some > years ago, a few friends of mine & I were trying to come up with the > "World's Greatest Improvising Musician", I know, stupid idea, but Kowald > was the only person we all agreed on as deserving the title. > > It really SUCKS that his current US tour seems to be going everywhere in > the country except the Northwest! > > ____________________________________________ > Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org > Minus Web Site: http://listen.to/minusmusic > Minus MP3's: http://www.mp3.com/-minus- > ____________________________________________ > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 13 19:36:57 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA10843; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 19:36:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 19:36:57 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C41303E5@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Nels Cline playing with Mark Isham tonite Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 19:03:32 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.10) Resent-Message-ID: <"YEk7d3.0.Dl1.q9bzu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13497 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com it's on pico near fairfax in beautiful west los angeles (thas a joke son) s -----Original Message----- From: Andrew Pask [mailto:andrew@kaleidacousticon.com] Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2000 15:59 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Nels Cline playing with Mark Isham tonite Where where where? I wanna go. Where's the Mint? Cheers Andrew > From: Echoechoparkpark@aol.com > Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 16:09:09 EDT > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Subject: Nels Cline playing with Mark Isham tonite > Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 16:27:27 -0400 > > Good fun to be had tonight with Nels on gtr and FX looping with EH 16. > Mark Isham's SIlent Way project (you know - MILES influenced). > Will Peter Maunu be playing, too? Hope so. > > The Mint in West Los Angeles. 9:30 PM > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 13 19:27:38 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA09647; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 19:27:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 19:27:38 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C41303E7@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: shameless gig spam! so-cal style Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 19:10:36 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.10) Resent-Message-ID: <"Kyte72.0.-v1.QGbzu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13498 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Kowald is not to be missed! Some years ago, a few friends of mine & I were trying to come up with the "World's Greatest Improvising Musician", I know, stupid idea, but Kowald was the only person we all agreed on as deserving the title. It really SUCKS that his current US tour seems to be going everywhere in the country except the Northwest! ** time for that drive down south dave! maybe you could fit disneyland in as well. kowald playing sf?? stig From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 13 19:43:06 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA11605; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 19:43:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 19:43:06 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 16:44:19 -0700 Subject: Re: Nels Cline playing with Mark Isham tonite From: Andrew Pask To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C41303E5@migarexch01.maritz.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"IXd7J3.0.ak2.Ohbzu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13500 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > it's on pico near fairfax in beautiful west los angeles (thas a joke son) > That's my neighbourhood, don't knock it, you know, it's really flat down there ;) From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 13 20:15:46 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA15017; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 20:15:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 20:15:46 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C41303EA@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Nels Cline playing with Mark Isham tonite Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 19:58:02 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.10) Resent-Message-ID: <"RbnTn.0.rH3.sybzu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13501 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com no, no i like that neighbourhood . . . honest. s -----Original Message----- From: Andrew Pask [mailto:andrew@kaleidacousticon.com] Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2000 16:44 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Nels Cline playing with Mark Isham tonite > it's on pico near fairfax in beautiful west los angeles (thas a joke son) > That's my neighbourhood, don't knock it, you know, it's really flat down there ;) From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 13 20:28:32 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA16515; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 20:28:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 20:28:32 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <00a101bfa670$fb233600$feab5cd1@-> From: "Bill Fox" To: Subject: Re: REMOVE : EMUSIC Playlist Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 20:24:35 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"71jpG.0.Rs3.CHczu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13502 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I'm blushing! Thanks for the support. I certainly don't intend to be obnoxious with my playlists and there are only 52 per year... plus twelve monthly reports to NAV. ;-) That's not too many pressings of the delete button when compared to normal volumes of email. I'll try to respond to some of the points raised. But the digest comes as individual attachments, making it hard to include snippets of posts. >UnsubscribeMeNowOrTheBunnyGetsIt ROTFLMAO!!! >Bill seems to be >a HUGE supporter of creative music in general and I'd certainly think >it would be a loss to have him leave or ignore this fertile group of >creative and industrious individuals because of some senseless pissing >match. Even if the consensus turns out to be "no more playlists," I'd comply but still hang with you folks. My headrush wouldn't forgive me if I left the fold! And I wouldn't abandon the space/electronic/ambient artists who are looking for an outlet for their creativity. They make my show special! >The only problem for me is that the show cannot be heard by 99% of >listmembers. If Bill can get on internet radio, that is a different thing. >Any possibility, Bill? I'd love it if WDIY were netcasting but it isn't in the cards. Potential audience = potential members = better finances for a public radio station as far as I can tell. Hey! I could record a show on DAT, send it to one of you who would then send it to another and another... At least some of you could get a taste that way. And one of you could transcribe the DAT to MD and cassette and start a couple more EMUSIC chains, er, um, I mean loops, yeah, that's it! >I enjoy the type of music on his show (looping or >otherwise). Even though I'm far from being in the broadcast range I still >find his list valuable for finding new music (and old) that I haven't heard yet. DingDingDingDing!!! We have a winner here folks. This is precisely why I post playlists. Give the man a great big (virtual) stuffed toy for his lady. Cheers y'all! Bill billfox@fast.net http://wdiyfm.org ============================================================ Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. Email me if you wish to submit music for airplay consideration. Visit http://www.crosswinds.net/~shadowplay for the ShadowPlay site. PS Due to life, I will be off line for about a week right after I, yup! you guessed it! post tonight's playlist. See you on or about the 24th! From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 13 20:55:16 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA19462; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 20:55:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 20:55:16 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 20:50:17 -0400 Subject: Re: Mac Audio Loopers From: Ken Mistove To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"8uJXe3.0.pd4.Ojczu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13503 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Todd (and all others interested), I just switched ISP's (640k ADSL is great - yeah I know, speed kills). My new web site is: http://members.bellatlantic.net/~kmistove/ (the old eclipse.net site is up for about two more weeks). You can get "procrastination" from there (still and always free - NOTE: new Max and MSP revisions are now available + Great news: Max is now Gibson free and officially in the hands of cycling74). One of these days I'll update/improve that ridiculously simple creation of mine, "procrastination"... Have fun! Ken > I have links to both looper 1.5 and procrastination at my loop page. > I didn't write 'em, I just use 'em: > > http://www.waste.org/~crash/loopage.html > > Enjoy them, and than their authors with goodies and such. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 13 21:08:08 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA20887; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 21:08:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 21:08:08 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: Subject: RE: REMOVE : EMUSIC Playlist Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 17:53:20 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <00a101bfa670$fb233600$feab5cd1@-> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Resent-Message-ID: <"ZI2-c1.0.Rh4.xkczu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13504 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >>The only problem for me is that the show cannot be heard by 99% of >>listmembers. If Bill can get on internet radio, that is a different >thing. >>Any possibility, Bill? >I'd love it if WDIY were netcasting but it isn't in the cards. >Potential audience = potential members = better finances for a public radio station >as far as I can tell. Hey! I could record a show on DAT, send it to one of >you who would then send it to another and another.. Or record it to Dat and send it to someone who could encode it and broadcast it. bIz From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 13 21:50:52 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA25448; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 21:50:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 21:50:52 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <005401bfa5b3$b8f5aaa0$3b310140@concentric.net> From: "Larry Tremblay" To: References: <20000413185816.50245.qmail@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: Re : Mede Mede Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 21:49:49 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"s1AJO2.0.A_5.QXdzu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13505 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com David, I'd be interested in giving the DJRND2 a workout and give a comprehensive review of it's capabilities. I do a lot of musique concrete/kulture jammin audio 'art' and think the DJRND2 is right up my alley. And I agree to return the device to Emmanuel in France. Thanks, - Larry T ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Potter" To: Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2000 2:58 PM Subject: Re: Re : Mede Mede > Below is an explaination of why I didn't get back about the DJRND2. A > vocalist is coming over today to test of this looper. It is for a DJ set > up. A vocalist with his hands free could have a ball. I do toning and > Oming and vocal sound sculpture and this is great for it. The sound quality > is great. Emmanuel is into letting some one else try it out. Does anyone > know a DJ list that I could email to? I have an EDP, 2 jamman, a > boomerang, DL4, an MPX 1 amongst other stuff as well so I will pass on this > looper for now. Miko's description of this looper was a good one for most > of us that use out hands on instruments. With a few inovations and a > control pedal we would be all over it. Let me know if you want to try it > out. The condition is sending it back to Perille in France. Om and Out > Papa Dave > > >From: PERILLE > >Reply-To: perille@club-internet.fr > >To: papadave55@hotmail.com > >Subject: Re : Mede Mede > >Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 17:46:29 +0200 > > > > > Hi Emmanuel, Sorry but I've been out of town. Miko came last Fri. We > >love > > > the looper but as you said it is probably for a DJ guy. My son Jeremy > >came > > > back from his travel through India, Tailand, Laos,Indonesia,Bali and > > > Australia. H was gone a year and a half. We were spending time > >together at > > > hot springs mineral bathes at Harbin Hot Springs... Tres magnific. I'll > > > send the looper back or make it available to any one else that you > >decide > > > may be able to work it in to their rig. It just wasn't usable because I > >am > > > playing the guitar. > > > Let me know what you want me to do. Om and Out Papa Dave > > > > > > >Hi Papa Dave, > > > >If you eventually know some one else who could be interested in using it > >as a homestudio, please let him play with it. Sound engineers ? pros ? > > > >You can keep it for a few days longer before sending it back home if you > >feel some next opportunities. > > > >Thanks > > > >Emmanuel > > > >P.S did you checked out the polyphony audio quality for Larry Tremblay ? > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 13 22:58:39 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA32692; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 22:58:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 22:58:39 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 19:41:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Haitch Cee To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: looping segments tonight on the show In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"wVspD1.0.aT7.xLezu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13506 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com http://plutonia.org/pressrelease.html =) rich -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- haitch c soundcraft / sinesite: http://sinusoidal.com s i n u s o i d a l \ email: info@sinusoidal.com records / bc.canada / artists. mp3s. realaudio. forums. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- plutonian nights radio show - + - http://plutonia.org From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 13 23:05:59 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA00900; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 23:05:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 23:05:59 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Apparently-From: Reply-To: From: "Javier Miranda V." To: Subject: RE: REMOVE : EMUSIC Playlist Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 19:58:24 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <"H45sY.0.E_7.hbezu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13507 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com That's right, he could have a Web page every week somewhere for free with a giant Real Audio file you could stream at 128 Kbps or 56Kbps. That would be wonderful. | -----Original Message----- | From: Jonathan El-Bizri [mailto:jonathan@full-moon.com] | Sent: Thursday 13 April 2000 5:53 PM | To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com | Subject: RE: REMOVE : EMUSIC Playlist | | | >>The only problem for me is that the show cannot be heard by 99% of | >>listmembers. If Bill can get on internet radio, that is a different | >thing. | >>Any possibility, Bill? | >I'd love it if WDIY were netcasting but it isn't in the cards. | >Potential audience = potential members = better finances for a | public radio | station >as far as I can tell. Hey! I could record a show on | DAT, send it | to one of | >you who would then send it to another and another.. | | Or record it to Dat and send it to someone who could encode it | and broadcast | it. | | bIz | __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 13 23:12:15 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA01650; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 23:12:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 23:12:15 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000413230942.007b5100@pop.mail.yahoo.com> X-Sender: coirbidh_99@pop.mail.yahoo.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 23:09:42 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: "Scott A. Martin" Subject: Performing solo loop improvisations Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"rFT-o.0.lK.6lezu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13508 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com And now for something completely different - a non-gear question! =) For those of you who perform solo improv gigs, just you and a mountain (or molehill) of electronics: how do you go about creating a composition in real time? It's great to sit in the basement and endlessly tweak those loops, but you can't get away with that in front of an audience. Or can you? Please expound on your technical, philosophical, etc. approaches to this situation. Essays will be graded for clarity and originality, as well as gratuitous use of the words "Belgium", "unsubscribe", and "mutherfuckaz". Scott Martin Morrigan Records scott@morriganrecords.com http://www.morriganrecords.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 14 00:40:34 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA13180; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 00:40:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 00:40:34 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <014201bfa5c7$b2366f10$3b310140@concentric.net> From: "Larry Tremblay" To: , References: Subject: Re: REMOVE : EMUSIC Playlist Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 00:12:12 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"FwGJh2.0.Bi1.Gefzu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13509 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Great idea Javier. I'm those who don't mind receiving the Emusic Playlist. It'd be fantastic if it were an Internet Radio program. I'd even help put it together, if you'd like. Give me a holler, Bill. - Larry T ----- Original Message ----- From: "Javier Miranda V." To: Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2000 10:58 PM Subject: RE: REMOVE : EMUSIC Playlist > That's right, he could have a Web page every week somewhere for free with a > giant Real Audio file you could stream at 128 Kbps or 56Kbps. That would be > wonderful. > > | -----Original Message----- > | From: Jonathan El-Bizri [mailto:jonathan@full-moon.com] > | Sent: Thursday 13 April 2000 5:53 PM > | To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > | Subject: RE: REMOVE : EMUSIC Playlist > | > | > | >>The only problem for me is that the show cannot be heard by 99% of > | >>listmembers. If Bill can get on internet radio, that is a different > | >thing. > | >>Any possibility, Bill? > | >I'd love it if WDIY were netcasting but it isn't in the cards. > | >Potential audience = potential members = better finances for a > | public radio > | station >as far as I can tell. Hey! I could record a show on > | DAT, send it > | to one of > | >you who would then send it to another and another.. > | > | Or record it to Dat and send it to someone who could encode it > | and broadcast > | it. > | > | bIz > | > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 14 01:20:30 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA17769; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 01:20:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 01:20:30 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Bad-Idea: su; rm -rf / X-Echoplex: Sound on Sound Activated X-Prerequisite-Blasphemy: Invert me under the stars Message-Id: <4.1.20000413230329.018ecc30@realm-of-shade.com> X-Sender: reverendrob@realm-of-shade.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 23:14:25 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: the Reverend Rob Subject: Re: Performing solo loop improvisations In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20000413230942.007b5100@pop.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"EpTcM1.0.9G4.Wegzu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13511 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com On or around 11:09 PM 4/13/00 -0700, Scott A. Martin said: >For those of you who perform solo improv gigs, just you and a mountain (or >molehill) of electronics: how do you go about creating a composition in >real time? I just play; there isn't a grand science to it. I use the same exact setup at home as I do live, and handle it identically. In all honesty, if I have to think about "how to do it", I wouldn't be out playing live or considering doing the same. After a time, especially in solo gigs, the looping comes automatically. After five years of playing with anything from a glorious 600 ms to my current multi-unit setup that nets me 14+ seconds in three discreet controllable rigs, I haven't even really thought about the actual process in the longest time. It's why I haven't run out to grab a DL-4 or an EDP or any of the "impressive" loop tools; I know my toys, what they do, and they interact in a seamless manner with what I do, without me having to worry about things. I tried a JamMan; I've played with an EDP; they're nice units, but I'm just a simple looping guy who was perfectly happy with a tape echoplex and primitive RDS series delays for the longest time. Call me a looping luddite. > It's great to sit in the basement and endlessly tweak those >loops, but you can't get away with that in front of an audience. Or can >you? Sure you can. It all depends on how well you can construct pieces in real-time and improvise appropriately. I'm personally happiest just getting lost in the creative process, and generally my audiences have been very appreciative. I don't expect lighter-waving bastards trying to get laid in the middle of my set, and lo! and behold, they haven't ever appeared. I try to find venues suitable for what I do, in that the audience is willing to listen to a variety of styles, influences, and be part of the creation of the moment. Sometimes, I loop like a fiend; other times, I don't hit the 'hold' button for the whole show, as sacrilegious as that sentiment is here. It all depends on the moment, the venue, the mood, and how things transpire. > Please expound on your technical, philosophical, etc. approaches to >this situation. Essays will be graded for clarity and originality, as well >as gratuitous use of the words "Belgium", "unsubscribe", and "mutherfuckaz". I generally just do it, while thinking that the mutherfuckaz from Belgium should all unsubscribe their 60-cycle hum from my grounded loop. == the Reverend Rob ICQ: 1280871 http://www.realm-of-shade.com .`. .`. .`. .`. http://www.qblh.com ================================================================= "I prefer not to kill people, but I'd like to destroy as much property as possible." - Grace Slick, from the Airplane FBI file ================================================================= http://www.reverendrob.com : feedback and echo MP3s From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 14 01:16:52 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA17245; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 01:16:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 01:16:52 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <001c01bfa5cd$3c3be460$0525fed8@swirlee.speakeasy.org> From: "Jan P" To: Subject: Fw:software multilooper Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 21:52:27 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"cDpBb1.0.rY3.3Hgzu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13510 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com repost from the max list to loopers delight .. in short, a mac-based multi-looper with multiple independent loops synchronized with variable length [not necessarily linked], with tracking to an external timesource. automated subdivision of loop and corresponding metronome output. will soon implement rhythm detection on an incoming audio signal, automated fading and crossfading between loops, tracker-like interface... rapid development, currently at t+3 weeks. free. opensource for the tweakers. currently requires max. creative input highly desired. work in progress. not tied to industrial notions of progress or linear notions of time. not designed to be culturally imitative nor deliberately radical. designation; robust. fractally minimalist. unfettered. a beos port could also manifest. -j -----Original Message----- From: Jan P To: MAX - Interactive Music/Multimedia Standard Environments Date: Thursday, April 13, 2000 9:39 PM Subject: updates >; > >updates > >my fripp~ looper external has been updated and now supports sampleaccurate >synchronization between multiple fripp~ arbitrarylength loops, tracking to >an external tempo source [0-1 ramp signal], adjustable metronome subdividing >loops as a reference point. Each fripp~ loop can be recorded to any length, >independent of all other fripp~ objects or quantized to some multiple of a >master fripp~-- for polyrhythmic bliss. After I'm done assimilating research >on tempo tracking, I intend to implement a tracker that takes audio in and >puts out a 0-1 syncsignal, which could then be used to synchronize a whole >mess of real-time-generated loops to an external groove. > >To be implemented-- > >undo-ing loop overdubs >controllable loop fades and crossfades, linking of loops to form rhythmic >modulator-carrier relationships >independent control of pitch and tempo using low-artifact algorithms >collaborative networked [UDP?-- matt?] loop performances mind multiplicity >working together > >my intention is to create a pattern-oriented loop-tracker similar to >fasttracker and numerous others only driven by liveloops which can be >created and dubbed into and manipulated as the track is evolving. drawing on >inspiration from LLOOPP, fripp fanatics, echoplex/jamman/other groovetools, >various granulators and other efforts to create MAX rhythmic mayhem::L: to >bridge gaps between conventional DJ [aka grooveholding] culture, live >performance, new electro-acoustic instrument designs [research on creating >sensorbased USB performance instruments cypress USB development station >pending], and traditional forms of devotional music with traditional >methods. > >mind has been mostly withdrawn from corporate infrastructure using much >weedling and freelance techniques leaving majority of week clear for sonic >exploration and channeling attunement. all developments to be shared >opensource, openarms. > >happy gyrations >-j > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 14 01:40:41 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA20076; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 01:40:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 01:40:41 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Apparently-From: Reply-To: From: "Javier Miranda V." To: Subject: RE: Performing solo loop improvisations Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 22:21:19 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20000413230942.007b5100@pop.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <"LbqVH.0.EO4.5igzu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13512 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com As for myself, I have a repertory of "ideas," which include fingering tricks, harmonic constructs, and plain old tunes. These serve as a "bed" where the lively improvisational action takes place, pardon the imagery. Improvisation has no rules, I think. With enough "ideas" and lively sound sources, I have enough for a good while of playing for people, and it makes for a lot of variety. | -----Original Message----- | From: Scott A. Martin [mailto:scott@morriganrecords.com] | Sent: Thursday 13 April 2000 11:10 PM | To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com | Subject: Performing solo loop improvisations | | For those of you who perform solo improv gigs, just you and a | mountain (or | molehill) of electronics: how do you go about creating a composition in | real time? It's great to sit in the basement and endlessly tweak those __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 14 02:17:17 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA24312; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 02:17:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 02:17:17 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 23:18:10 -0700 Subject: Re: software multilooper From: Andrew Pask To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001c01bfa5cd$3c3be460$0525fed8@swirlee.speakeasy.org> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"pYgV9.0.Sm5.hShzu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13513 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Yeah, I meant to ask you on the max list when you posted this- how are you getting along with the pulse recognition ("rhythm detection") Tricky one that one. How do you see it implemented in a solo looping environment? Does the app follow your time as you play? Is there a kind of "sample first aid" which stretches loops to fit neatly over the nearest "important" pulse point? I'm not much of a looper, what sort of "dream functions" does the ultimate looping app have? (apart from one button unsubscription) Good luck with it anyway. You got any beta patches yet? > From: "Jan P" > Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 21:52:27 -0700 > To: > Subject: Fw:software multilooper > Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 01:16:44 -0400 > > repost from the max list to loopers delight .. > > in short, a mac-based multi-looper with multiple independent loops > synchronized with variable length [not necessarily linked], with tracking to > an external timesource. automated subdivision of loop and corresponding > metronome output. will soon implement rhythm detection on an incoming audio > signal, automated fading and crossfading between loops, tracker-like > interface... rapid development, currently at t+3 weeks. free. opensource > for the tweakers. currently requires max. creative input highly desired. > work in progress. not tied to industrial notions of progress or linear > notions of time. not designed to be culturally imitative nor deliberately > radical. designation; robust. fractally minimalist. unfettered. > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 14 02:20:58 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA24595; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 02:20:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 02:20:58 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <000a01bfa6a2$76f76220$14ad5cd1@-> From: "Bill Fox" To: Subject: EMUSIC #160 Playlist Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 02:18:23 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"QgJRe3.0.bs5.sThzu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13514 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com [Best viewed with a fixed spacing font.] EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ. Show #160 April 13, 2000. On this show, I continued the month-long focus on the second annual NEARfest, North East Art Rock Festival in Bethlehem, Pennsylvania. The Feature CD at Midnight was a sampler CD-R provided by NEARfest. The music of Ian Boddy was played in support of his upcoming concert at The Gathering on May 6, 2000. NEARfest http://wdiyfm.org/emusic/playlists/2000/focus00.html#apr Ian Boddy http://www.din.org.uk The Gathering http://www.thegatherings.org ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== 11:04 pm Navigator Mellotrain Northern Consequence (Invisible Shadows) Team Metlay The Hinge of Fate Bandwidth (Atomic City) Pryamid Peak Secret Random Elements (Invisible Shadows) Dome The Glistening The Dream Furious EP (Cursor Club) Foreigh Spaces Artificial Encounter Phaeton (Invisible Shadows) VA [Doug Michael] Trance Loopers Delight Volume 1 (none) Ramp Sacrilege at Noon CD-R from Ramp (none) Ian Boddy Beta 4 Continuum (Something Else) Ian Boddy Beta 5 * Continuum (Something Else) 12:00 am Priam Labyrinth NEARfest 2000 CDR Sampler(none) Priam Signs Beyond the Euphrates NEARfest 2000 CDR Sampler(none) North Star Feel the Cold NEARfest 2000 CDR Sampler(none) DFA Caleidoscopio NEARfest 2000 CDR Sampler(none) Iluvatar Better Days NEARfest 2000 CDR Sampler(none) Anekdoten Karelia NEARfest 2000 CDR Sampler(none) Anekdoten From Within NEARfest 2000 CDR Sampler(none) Happy the Man Starborne NEARfest 2000 CDR Sampler(none) 1:00 am * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) On the next EMUSIC, I'll continue the month-long focus on the second annual NEARfest, The feature CD at midnight will be As the World by Echolyn on the SONY 550 Music label. Bill billfox@fast.net http://wdiyfm.org ============================================================ Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. Email me if you wish to submit music for airplay consideration. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 14 03:03:30 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA28141; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 03:03:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 03:03:30 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Apparently-From: Reply-To: From: "Javier Miranda V." To: Subject: Looper Sighting Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 23:59:20 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <"AHe_m.0.Iq6.u8izu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13516 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I have news from Argentina tonight about a famous looper making an appearance in a new record there. I've translated two passages from tonight's article and have posted it here if you're interested. http://www.gnominus.org/misc/epumer.htm __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 14 02:56:35 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA27247; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 02:56:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 02:56:35 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <007101bfa6a4$326fd360$14ad5cd1@-> From: "Bill Fox" To: Subject: Re: REMOVE : EMUSIC Playlist Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 02:31:12 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"X6FFF1.0.C66.wehzu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13515 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com -----Original Message----- From: Jonathan El-Bizri To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Thursday, April 13, 2000 8:53 PM Subject: RE: REMOVE : EMUSIC Playlist >Or record it to Dat and send it to someone who could encode it and broadcast >it. I'll keep that in mind. If anyone would like to do this or knows someone who can do this, please let me know. Bill billfox@fast.net http://wdiyfm.org ============================================================ Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. Email me if you wish to submit music for airplay consideration. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 14 03:23:12 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA30006; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 03:23:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 03:23:12 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <000e01bfa5e1$f8797fc0$78f538cb@oemcomputer> From: "Steven Woods" To: Subject: Fw: EMUSIC #160 Playlist Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 17:20:52 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"hzZsy2.0.TA7.0Qizu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13517 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com To: Subject: Re: EMUSIC #160 Playlist > Hello > Is it possible to not receive these emails for people on Loopers Delight? > I dont want to receive them > I didnt subscribe to receive this. > > Thank you > Steven > Loopers Delight and Boogie Talk is 90% crap and self indulgent waffle at > present. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bill Fox" > To: > Sent: Saturday, April 15, 2000 4:18 PM > Subject: EMUSIC #160 Playlist > > > > [Best viewed with a fixed spacing font.] > > > > EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, airs each Thursday > > at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in > > Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ. > > > > Show #160 April 13, 2000. > > > > On this show, I continued the month-long focus on the second annual > > NEARfest, North > > East Art Rock Festival in Bethlehem, Pennsylvania. The Feature CD at > > Midnight > > was a sampler CD-R provided by NEARfest. The music of Ian Boddy was > played > > in support of his upcoming concert at The Gathering on May 6, 2000. > > > > NEARfest > > http://wdiyfm.org/emusic/playlists/2000/focus00.html#apr > > Ian Boddy http://www.din.org.uk > > The Gathering http://www.thegatherings.org > > > > > > ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) > > ======================= ======================== > > ============================== > > 11:04 pm > > Navigator Mellotrain Northern Consequence > > (Invisible Shadows) > > Team Metlay The Hinge of Fate Bandwidth (Atomic City) > > Pryamid Peak Secret Random Elements > (Invisible > > Shadows) > > Dome The Glistening The Dream Furious EP > > (Cursor Club) > > Foreigh Spaces Artificial Encounter Phaeton (Invisible > Shadows) > > VA [Doug Michael] Trance Loopers Delight Volume 1 > > (none) > > Ramp Sacrilege at Noon CD-R from Ramp (none) > > Ian Boddy Beta 4 Continuum (Something > Else) > > Ian Boddy Beta 5 * Continuum (Something > Else) > > > > 12:00 am > > Priam Labyrinth NEARfest 2000 CDR > > Sampler(none) > > Priam Signs Beyond the Euphrates NEARfest 2000 CDR > > Sampler(none) > > North Star Feel the Cold NEARfest 2000 CDR > > Sampler(none) > > DFA Caleidoscopio NEARfest 2000 CDR > > Sampler(none) > > Iluvatar Better Days NEARfest 2000 CDR > > Sampler(none) > > Anekdoten Karelia NEARfest 2000 CDR > > Sampler(none) > > Anekdoten From Within NEARfest 2000 CDR > > Sampler(none) > > Happy the Man Starborne NEARfest 2000 CDR > > Sampler(none) > > > > 1:00 am > > > > * = exerpt > > VA = Various Artists (compilation) > > > > On the next EMUSIC, I'll continue the month-long focus on the second > annual > > NEARfest, > > The feature CD at midnight will be As the World by Echolyn on the SONY 550 > > Music label. > > > > Bill billfox@fast.net http://wdiyfm.org > > ============================================================ > > Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays > at > > 11pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and > > Phillipsburg. Email me if you wish to submit music for airplay > > consideration. > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 14 05:21:34 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA06435; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 05:21:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 05:21:34 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <001c01bfa5ec$8fc54bc0$0525fed8@swirlee.speakeasy.org> From: "Jan P" To: Subject: Re: software multilooper Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 01:36:42 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"hh3t_1.0.Vj.IZjzu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13518 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com hi andrew!- >Yeah, I meant to ask you on the max list when you posted this- >how are you getting along with the pulse recognition ("rhythm detection") >Tricky one that one. I haven't started on that bit yet. As a reference, I have The Computer Music Tutorial. I imagine I will form a kind of pulse-time chart, which sorts the distances between significant pulses and looks for integer harmonics as clues to tempo. The output will be a sync ramp from 0-1 over 1 bar. >How do you see it implemented in a solo looping environment? >Does the app follow your time as you play? I more see its utility when the looper is being slaved to some external audio-- a drummer laying groove, a DJ, handclaps, whatever. In solo I would probably just let the loops go at their own time and not force the computer to do a messy task like tempo track. >Is there a kind of "sample first aid" which stretches loops to fit neatly >over the nearest "important" pulse point? Something like this is already in place in the fripp~ object. Given any 0-1 ramp signal as a reference input, the loop records, plays, overdubs syncronized to that signal. If the signal changes its rate, the loop speed changes. There is currently a corresponding rate-pitch shift, but I hope to use some fancy freq-domain methods to negate that. Currently, this can be used to synchronize multiple fripp~ loops together. And, if I were able to create a tempotrack object that spat out 0-1 ramps synchronized to patterns in an incoming audio signal, I would then have me a synchronized looper. >I'm not much of a looper, what sort of "dream functions" does the ultimate >looping app have? Who knows! Very individual, I think. For me, I'm interested in being able to build up a part and come back to it later-- in a session, or by cuing up loop mixes from disk. I'm interested in being able to have the computer help me conduct the session-- puter, fade my bass loop out over 4 bars. Puter, bring in that drumloop I recorded last time. Puter, we are switching all melodic parts up 3 semitones. Puter, cue up these loops on just the monitor mix so I can work with them before spitting them out. Puter, Jim just played in some amazing shit. Let's timestrech that into the current loop. Only, unlike an 'arranger' like Cubase, its a sonic continuum, it never stops. Its created with that spirit. For me its a way to bunk the traditional process of arranging music. I like to work in the moment, and for me I've never really taken to assembling pieces of my work and listening and relistening and tweaking. I'm interested in expanding the loop analogy to be flexible enough to work with more elaborate pieces-- where things get so dynamic, you might be surprised that looping was a central totem to the process. So I'm trying to expand the notion of looping to the point where the performer's role is less one of holding groove or holding space and more one of imagining and directing the flow of the space, and being a physical channel into that space. yields; Building a piece so that you give the computer enough information as you build it that it understands how your piece is structured, and it can project the piece forwards in time as you continue to manipulate it. This conjures some scary notions of inhuman music mediated by monotone robots, but, as I see it, this can only liberate the performers to expand the flow, rather than hold it. But then, that has been said about technology in general== powerful tools definitely own their users as much as the reverse is true. Oh, those inorganic beings! All of this is somewhat rooted in a desire to dissolve the notion of a 'finished product' and to expose the whole process of creation as the creation itself... and to empower the listener to become a creator by making that process visible and available. I grew up improvising on piano and stuff comes out, it needs to be channeled out, so I sit for hours and it just bubbles up-- and in my visions I imagine communicating my intention for a part and having the part build up by itself. Now my first reaction is that seems a little ala Terrence McKenna machine elves, but then I stop and look again and somehow 'bringing objects into existence by singing them into existence' seems like a rational thing to shoot for. >You got any beta patches yet? Absolutely! They are messy, but if you can deal with that, I would love to send you the whole thing, source & all. Then we could resonate together. tee hee. -jan From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 14 11:59:51 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA21287; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 11:59:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 11:59:51 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Pedro Felix" To: Subject: Re: Performing solo loop improvisations Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 11:33:18 -0500 Message-ID: <01bfa62f$241394c0$0a154f0c@Wroswick.uvm.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"BZo992.0.9V4.Vipzu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13519 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >For those of you who perform solo improv gigs, just you and a mountain (or >molehill) of electronics: how do you go about creating a composition in >real time? It's great to sit in the basement and endlessly tweak those >loops, but you can't get away with that in front of an audience. Or can >you? Please expound on your technical, philosophical, etc. approaches to >this situation. >Scott Martin My audiences have thus far been quite appreciative of my tweaking,....I tried (at least at the outset of performing loop based music) to construct a nice 20-30 minutes of looping on one of my loopers and taking my risks with my other two looping devices. That worked well for a while, but felt a bit safe. Of course after once encountering an EDP that read OO mid-performance I quickly realized that I can't count on eveything that I thought might work at home to work on the gig. So now I tweak and tweak and turn knobs and occasinally give total silence (quite righteous as an effect, almost forgot about it!). I find that there is no substitute to knowing your gear well, so I try my best to put myself through my paces beforehand and let myself loose at the gig. I've mainly played for mixed audiences (poets, performance artists, musicians and patrons),...seems that the poets like that I use a hand held recorder with my poems, the performace artis like that i'm dancing on all those foot switches, the musicians are usually a bit dumbfounded-which I take as a compliment,....I get quite a bit of "man, that's a lot of gear" before the gig and a lot of "whoa, you really use all those things, huh?" after the smoke clears. So something tells me i'm on the right road. PedrOOrdeP From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 14 12:10:46 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA22756; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 12:10:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 12:10:46 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 08:54:29 -0700 Subject: Re: software multilooper From: Andrew Pask To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001c01bfa5ec$8fc54bc0$0525fed8@swirlee.speakeasy.org> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"UYeQ_3.0.vz4.nupzu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13520 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Most cool news indeed about the progress. I would be into checking out what you have gotten yourself into but alas I know no C, I guess this is what you're writing it in. Any Max patches, fire them over. I'm really interested in the pulse detection part. I have a couple of patches which concern themselves with "listening" to what is going on around them and reacting with similar "busyness" to what it hears.The problem for pulse detection is that even if a patch only listens to the front of every note, which is hardly suitable in a playing situation, it still is very easy to bog it down with information if you're trying to decipher it all at the same time.And mike placement for acoustic sound is a pain in the ass too. In order for a patch to recognise its own output, a significant amount of time has to be taken up during which it can't recognise anybody else.This amounts to any pulse detection of acoustic playing being deaf for part of the time, hardly suitable. So my workarounds are currently going in the following directions. First, I'm using a dedicated "pulse time" channel into MAX.I've stopped trying to get Max to listen to everything, and am using one thing, a sound, or a certain note, to be the source for the pulse detecting.Then it can extrapolate away from there until it recieves another bang or two and "gracefully and delicately" shifts itself to where the new time may be. Maybe it can work as a footswitchable "tempo learning time" so that you can set up things relative to what's going on around you.Pretty hard to play, whichever way you cut it. Next, and this is where I'm stuck, I'm trying to implement the idea of sudivided beat into the patch. Say you're banging away at 1/4 note = 132 and all of a sudden Max hears a triplet out of the gloom, it doesn't switch the tempo to 1/4 note = 396, it knows you're playing over a swung pulse and doesn't lose it.Actually I think this whole area is a complete nightmare, and I'm not surprised there aren't any tempo following externals.Maybe later when we all have G6s or something....... If you have any algorithms for pulse detection I'd be glad to try and implement them in Max. I left this on the list in case it might stir any thoughts in the other Max loopers I know are out there, maybe we can develop an outline of a useful looping app on this list (and get someone else to write it of course,hehehehehe) L8r Andrew From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 14 12:26:03 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA24357; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 12:26:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 12:26:03 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <003901bfa62b$5ae317e0$8f368218@we.mediaone.net> From: "Om_Audio" To: "Loopers List" Subject: So Cal Show Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 09:06:12 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"H8qLX1.0.bR5.H7qzu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13521 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi all- Just wanted to comment on last night's show- wow! Fantastic- Nels Cline was incredible, and was using his newly repaired vintage tape Echoplex! I was also taken by his use of a red Digitech Whammy pedal that had pitch shifting features- it sparked my interest in a big way as I had a foot controllable octave device in mind lately- Along with Niles were Mark Isham on effected horn- it looked like a white Miles really- sans the stylish attire that Miles did so well-standing and directing the other members when to break and change sections with hand signals while his back to the audience- He had an EMU sampler I think- with a controller on a stand next to him- along with a rack of effects including a Jam Man, VC3, a T.C. Elec. multi box, Ground Control controller- He used delay a nd hold functions with great success and with discretion- also voice samples including some from a Miles album called Evil/Live- The bass player was great and had a beautiful Zion bass with a black fingerboard that looked like it was made of glass- Drummer used electronic drums - I could not see the module tho- The music was great with many tracks containing fast tempo break beat/house/ techno drums with slow melody lines on top- very nice grooves! Keyboard player had a Rhodes and a korg and was great too- They did a Miles cover from either Evil/Live, Big Fun, or Bitches Brew- i'll have to check- but it was great to hear Nels on this one- pulling out some mcLaughlin-esque riffs with his own style- I have to go to work so I must end this now! Cheers- Cliff From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 14 13:16:29 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA30658; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 13:16:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 13:16:29 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38F7511E.75E293F3@inreach.com> Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 10:10:55 -0700 From: eric X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: software multilooper References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"L_Ga41.0.7F7.c4rzu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13522 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Andrew Pask wrote: > ...maybe we can develop an outline of a useful > looping app on this list (and get someone else to write it of > course,hehehehehe) I'm definitely interested in this idea. I probably know less about C and Max than any of you, but I do know what I'd want in a software looper. I have already posted a little bit about my desires; they mostly concern MIDI and MP3 files. If anyone is interested I'd be happy to make a another summarizing post listing my ideas. Cheers, eobe From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 14 14:44:44 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA08692; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 14:44:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 14:44:44 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <04aa01bfa63f$f1307b20$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: Subject: Re: Performing solo loop improvisations Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 13:33:34 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"ayPyf3.0.wy1.NNszu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13523 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >For those of you who perform solo improv gigs, just you and a mountain (or >molehill) of electronics: how do you go about creating a composition in >real time? I have two rules when I do a solo looping gig: 1) all acoustic instruments, 2) every sound generated live (no prerecorded stuff). Probably silly rules but they work for me. I'm a percussionist so I use a lot of instruments (twin peaks - one mountain of electronics, one of instruments). I put the board/FX out front so folks see me knob-frobbing, just like it was another instrument. Originally, I got into looping so I could play Celtic music on my marimba and accompany myself. I still do but I've really gotten into the soundscape thing, hence the mound of instruments (i.e., sonic textures). The Celtic stuff is probably only 10% of a show nowadays. Most of the pieces (songs? tunes? compositions? what do you call them?) that I play out are structured. I do alot of experimenting at home but not generally in front of an audience. Chicken? Yeah, probably both me and the audience. One of these days... When I say "structured" it's a "bones only" kind of thing. The "flesh" is added during the performance and is always variable. So the outcome is always different even with the same bones. I work alot with this idea of "bones" (apriori structure) and "flesh" (in the moment improv) combined in performance. One characteristic is that, if you're successful, the audience never sees the bones or at least they don't get in the way. But you have something to hang improvs onto. This helps the improvs to be distinct from each other. Being a percussionist, I don't generally have chord progressions like the jazzers. I use this idea with group improvisations also. Here is part of a "script" from a performance recently with three musicians (guitar, keyboard, percussion), two voices, and two dancers. "Audience volunteers" are people from the audience who volunteered to participate. The performance was entitled "Seven in a Sack", hence the use of fast-food sacks. This piece was probably the boniest of the performance. ----------------------------------------- beginning of script clip --------------------------------- 7:50 - 8:10 PM INTERMISSION The Stage Manager herds the audience volunteers into a room. The volunteers are given seven fast-food sacks containing “idea” cards. The cards are culled from Brian Eno’s Oblique Strategies cards. Written on the cards are such things as “Emphasize Repetitions” and “Water”. By whatever process they mutually agree upon, the volunteers arrange the “idea” cards. From a total of 21 cards, they select a “hand” for each performer of three cards. Each hand is placed in a fast-food sack. If desired, the volunteers may designate a hand for a particular performer by writing the performer’s name on the sack. 8:10 – 9:00 PM SECOND SET A. Card Game * (20 minutes) – a collective improvisation guided by “idea” cards Lights are up. The Stage Manager gives each performer a fast-food sack. Each sack contains a “hand” of three idea cards in a stack. The performer places the stack in their easel and doesn’t know beforehand which cards are in their stack. Only the top card of each stack is visible to all the performers and the audience. Each performer starts whenever they want and bases their improvisation on their top card. At any time a performer can remove the top card, exposing a new card. Further improvisation is based on the new card. During this piece, each performer independently works their way through all of their cards. If desired, a performer may exchange their entire stack with another performer. However, the cards in a stack cannot be separated; individual cards cannot be exchanged. To end it, the Stage Manager enters and begins taking-up the cards and putting them in a fast-food sack. As the Stage Manager picks up a performer’s cards, that performer stops (“No tickee, no playee”) and begins following the Stage Manager forming a line of “stopped” performers. The Stage Manager randomly chooses the stopping order. Eventually, all performers are stopped and the Stage Manager, with the performers “in tow”, exits the stage. ------------------------------- end of script clip --------------------------------------------------------------------- Hope you find this interesting. Dennis Leas ----------------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 14 14:45:01 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA08708; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 14:45:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 14:45:01 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38F7659C.69F3A64B@engin.umich.edu> Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 14:38:29 -0400 From: Darcy Clark Reply-To: darcyc@engin.umich.edu Organization: MSE, Umich X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Javier Miranda V." , Timothy , Mark Sottilaro , Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: online audio/midi collab. revisited Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"9ZQum2.0.o-1.7Oszu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13524 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com returning to the idea of trying out this new online audio/midi collaboration software : http://www.harmony-central.com/Rocket/ Is anyone up for trying it out this Sunday morning ? If there is interest, then we can arrange a time and a particular 'virtual studio' to meet in. I don't expect any masterpieces to come out of it, but I at least want to try it out - if it works then maybe a weekly online loop session could be fun ! cheers, Darcy --------------------------------------------------- Ph: (734) 764 3377 Email: darcyc@engin.umich.edu URL: http://www-personal.engin.umich.edu/~darcyc/ --------------------------------------------------- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 14 14:54:15 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA10093; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 14:54:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 14:54:15 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "future perfect" To: Subject: RE: Performing solo loop improvisations Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 14:54:26 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <4.1.20000413230329.018ecc30@realm-of-shade.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"G0cfF3.0.5H2.ZWszu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13525 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > I try to find venues suitable for what I do, in that the > audience is willing to listen to a variety of styles, influences, and be > part of the creation of the moment. > Amen! This is really important- there is nothing worse than performing when all you can think about is 'these people are hating this, why did I even get a gig here'. There are many places suitable for knob-tweakung music, and most of them are not the traditional bars 'where they like both kinds of music'. Check out art galleries, museums, aquariums, planetariums, coffeehouses, bookstores, etc. Lots of these places may not feature music regularly, but are very happily suprised at the end of the gig when they realize how much the people there liked it. good luck Dave Eichenberger- guitars/loops/devices http://home1.gte.net/artmusic/dave 'Future Perfect' - art music http://home1.gte.net/artmusic/ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 14 16:11:04 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA18638; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 16:11:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 16:11:04 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <04f801bfa64b$f7b53830$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: Subject: Re: software multilooper Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 14:59:39 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"aDDtv2.0.ZM4._dtzu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13526 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Ok, I'm jumping into this conversation with both feet, and hoping I don't land on my face 'cuz both are in my mouth. I have a Kyma system and I've been planning on making rhythm recognizers and such with it. It has alot of sound analysis tools, expandability, and real-time processing power. I 'd like to create an "adaptive looper". Feed it samples and it mutates them according to some plan. The plan may be extracted from the sound, of course. So I'm quite interested in what you're doing. I don't speak MAX so can you translate to more general terms? I plan on getting MAX when the PC version becomes available (June, I understand) but until then I ask your indulgence. BTW: I'm not familiar with "The Computer Music Tutorial". The info on amazon.com is quite intriguing. Comments? Dennis Leas ----------------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 14 18:57:36 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA01008; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 18:57:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 18:57:36 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38F79EE6.1F92@sirius.com> Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 15:42:48 -0700 From: Peter Wiley Reply-To: pwiley@sirius.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: Re: Peter Kowald (was shameless gig spam! so-cal style) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"kZSap1.0.1_7.Hxvzu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13527 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > Kowald is not to be missed! Some > years ago, a few friends of mine & I were trying to come up with the > "World's Greatest Improvising Musician", I know, stupid idea, but Kowald > was the only person we all agreed on as deserving the title. > > It really SUCKS that his current US tour seems to be going everywhere in > the country except the Northwest! > > ** time for that drive down south dave! maybe you could fit disneyland in as > well. kowald playing sf?? > > stig as there seems to be a bit of interest in Peter Kowald here, I thought I'd pass this on from the bay area new music list: ---------------------------- hi, i'm trying to put together a string/improvisation workshop for the great german doublebassist peter kowald,it will be late april in oakland it will cost $30,there is no one playing creative music in the bay area who wouldn't learn something from this true master,he has worked with brotzmann,don cherry,bill dixon,cecil taylor,frank wright,butch morris,kosugi,fred frith,evan parker,william parker,wadada leo smith,conducted/played in the globe unity orch. ect,.and has been a part of many landmark events that have altered the course of creative music,not to mention the double bass! ,.email ,or call 510-597-1769.for peters bio/info go to thanks damon From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 14 20:41:50 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA10155; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 20:41:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 20:41:50 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: PMimlitsch@aol.com Message-ID: <12.31dc454.26290d2e@aol.com> Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 20:09:18 EDT Subject: Re: Performing solo loop improvisations To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 147 Resent-Message-ID: <"Gp7yb2.0.6x1.8Dxzu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13528 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Basically use a "throwing paint against a canvas" approach, then work off the resultant tectures/ pulses/ rythmns. Throughout a set (an hour give or take) "compositions" (pre conceived ideas) will show up or things will get "nudged" so that they can. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Apr 15 07:24:30 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA03296; Sat, 15 Apr 2000 07:24:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 07:24:30 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 07:05:25 EDT Subject: Re: Performing solo loop improvisations To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 32 Resent-Message-ID: <"fsNPt1.0.7a.Iq4-u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13529 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 14/04/00 04:12:13 GMT Daylight Time, scott@morriganrecords.com writes: > For those of you who perform solo improv gigs, just you and a mountain (or > molehill) of electronics: how do you go about creating a composition in > real time? By the time I get to perform (rare as anything) I've decided what FX /loopers to use in what arrangement( I use a med size mixer), and what patches those FX will have. I'll also have a general idea about what I'm going to play into the rig, with a couple of set piece items. In performance I'll have a guitar, a vol ped , a couple of footswitches, and an expression pedal. If unavoidable I might have to change a mixer setting on the fly, or tweak a couple of FX parameters. This all fits in with my current 'improvising within a stated framework' interests. Well I reckon all improv has a set of rules, it's just that the rules aren't always acknowledged. The best improvisors seem to be those who can change the rules as they go. So ideally I'd like to make the FX more interactive, currently I think any audience would get a bit impatient as I rummaged through the manuals. Andy Butler. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Apr 15 11:40:36 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA22218; Sat, 15 Apr 2000 11:40:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 11:40:36 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: dmgraph@mail.earthlink.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 27 Aug 1956 21:41:19 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: David Myers Subject: electrica Resent-Message-ID: <"NRr5R3.0.gz4.JU8-u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13530 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Anybody know if the cool "electrica" interactive sound site (spoken of here a couple months ago) is still up somewhere? My old bookmark ( http://www.leonid.de/electrica/) is coming up 404. Thanks. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Apr 15 12:23:30 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA25875; Sat, 15 Apr 2000 12:23:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 12:23:30 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <011601bfa6f4$6cc14620$5e2cf7c2@abc.zetnet.co.uk> From: "steve lawson" To: Subject: Re: Performing solo loop improvisations Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 12:56:43 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"zsfLr1.0.qx5.rD9-u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13531 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >For those of you who perform solo improv gigs, just you and a mountain (or >molehill) of electronics: how do you go about creating a composition in >real time? It's great to sit in the basement and endlessly tweak those >loops, but you can't get away with that in front of an audience. Or can >you? Please expound on your technical, philosophical, etc. approaches to >this situation. I tend to gig with a mixture of composed pieces, shell ideas and free improv. The most important aspect in the free improv, for me, is control of the equipment. If I wasn't in control of the JamMan, then I couldn't loop things on the fly, or restart loops when a bit is being recorded that I don't like or whatever. It's possible to practice improv. Just do at home what you would do on stage, and when you get to the point where a significant majority of what you come up with is worth listening to, try it in front of an audience. I normally do one ambient 'soundscape' type tune in my set, sometimes of the back of another tune - there are two in Real Audio form on my web-site. Try setting yourself boundaries when practicing - as I think Robert Fripp once said, it's not 'practice unless you set yourself limitations' - improv around a feeling or a mood or a tonal centre, or using a certain technique, or with invervallic limitations, or using specific effects... try sounds that you have no real command of and then react in real time to what comes out... tape your practices, listen and evaluate. I find that my mental state when in front of an audience is so different from at home - I'm much more alert and acutely aware of the possibility that this could be very dull! At, I've hand loops running for up to 7 or 8 hours, on stage the longest so far is about 8 minutes. If I had an EDP, perhaps my horizons would expand!! New question - does anyone on here us a Protools set up live? Is there anyway of starting and stopping Protools loops with a foot control? If it was, it would surely be the ultimate live looping device, with almost limitless stackable loops, no discernible degradation in sound quality, total separation of layers.... I can't afford a Mac G4 at the moment, but one day, maybe... cheers Steve http://www.steve-lawson.co.uk - subscribe to my new mailing list here. steve@steve-lawson.co.uk "I know there's a balance, I see it every time I swing past." - John Mellencamp From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Apr 15 13:47:11 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA00608; Sat, 15 Apr 2000 13:47:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 13:47:11 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000415102233.0144e100@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: sean_@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 10:22:33 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Sean Subject: Re: electrica In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"WjJ381.0.WP7.HHA-u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13532 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com They disappeared - can't find anyone that knows the story. At 09:41 PM 8/27/1970 -0500, you wrote: >Anybody know if the cool "electrica" interactive sound site (spoken of here >a couple months ago) is still up somewhere? My old bookmark ( >http://www.leonid.de/electrica/) is coming up 404. Thanks. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Apr 15 17:00:01 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA16195; Sat, 15 Apr 2000 17:00:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 17:00:01 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <006901bfa719$fb529ea0$8f310140@concentric.net> From: "Larry Tremblay" To: References: Subject: Re: electrica Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 16:34:19 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"Z90GE2.0.7U3.R5D-u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13533 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I think the page you're talking about was somehow associated with the Beatnik player (a Thomas Dolby company). Anyway, both leonid.de and electrica.de are inactive domains (for now?). - Larry ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Myers" To: Sent: Monday, August 27, 1956 10:41 PM Subject: electrica > Anybody know if the cool "electrica" interactive sound site (spoken of here > a couple months ago) is still up somewhere? My old bookmark ( > http://www.leonid.de/electrica/) is coming up 404. Thanks. > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Apr 15 18:31:37 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA22663; Sat, 15 Apr 2000 18:31:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 18:31:37 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Pedro Felix" To: Subject: EDP/LoopIII v5.0/Undo/problem? Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 18:10:30 -0500 Message-ID: <01bfa72f$cb811880$030e4f0c@Wroswick.uvm.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"fxX5G3.0.xC5.vcE-u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13534 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com C'mon guys this is the reason I subscribe to this particular newsletter: I own and operate am EDP with maxed out memory which had v3.2 loaded. I ordered the v5.0 upgrade from Kim and received same today. I installed the new EPROM's per the instructions and reset the EDP. Now for the problem?: When I hit record the Undo led does not light up in yellow as i've grown accustomed to AND when I finish my loop and hit record again (to let the loop play on and on), the loop begins to fade with each successive pass and the Undo led glows green. The only way to restore the volume of the loop is to hit Undo after each loop. I read through the new instructions and fact sheet and don't know what I am doing wrong. I've checked every parameter setting and have set and reset each one as before and still no luck. I have another EDP at home so I checked the settings there which are identical save for the ddd under the Midi-Dump Undo parameter feature which is not coming up at all on my new upgraded EDP. Kim, gang, anyone please share some wisdom and insight..... PedrOOrdeP PostScript: I am not using any midi function that I know of and am only triggering the EDP with the footswitch. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Apr 16 09:21:35 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA31838; Sun, 16 Apr 2000 09:21:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2000 09:21:35 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38F9C41C.D58B48A0@columbus.rr.com> Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2000 08:47:24 -0500 From: Darrell Jones Reply-To: djones01@columbus.rr.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: EDP/LoopIII v5.0/Undo/problem? References: <01bfa72f$cb811880$030e4f0c@Wroswick.uvm.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"hwYn62.0.F67.-OR-u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13535 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Where's your Feed Back button sat @? Pedro Felix wrote: > C'mon guys this is the reason I subscribe to this particular newsletter: > I own and operate am EDP with maxed out memory which had v3.2 loaded. I > ordered the v5.0 upgrade from Kim and received same today. I installed the > new EPROM's per the instructions and reset the EDP. > Now for the problem?: When I hit record the Undo led does not light up in > yellow as i've grown accustomed to AND when I finish my loop and hit record > again (to let the loop play on and on), the loop begins to fade with each > successive pass and the Undo led glows green. The only way to restore the > volume of the loop is to hit Undo after each loop. I read through the new > instructions and fact sheet and don't know what I am doing wrong. I've > checked every parameter setting and have set and reset each one as before > and still no luck. I have another EDP at home so I checked the settings > there which are identical save for the ddd under the Midi-Dump Undo > parameter feature which is not coming up at all on my new upgraded EDP. > Kim, gang, anyone please share some wisdom and insight..... > PedrOOrdeP > PostScript: I am not using any midi function that I know of and am only > triggering the EDP with the footswitch. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Apr 16 15:31:06 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA29600; Sun, 16 Apr 2000 15:31:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2000 15:31:06 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38FA0DF2.24CA@ezworks.net> Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2000 15:02:17 -0400 From: Jeff Yost Reply-To: yostie@ezworks.net Organization: Zerone Audio Labs/DigiMete Arts/GigSwaP X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jeff_yost@musician.org Subject: protective encoding... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"dh8bK2.0.GQ6.7uW-u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13536 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I hope this isn't too off topic, but I am curious if anyone may know the best (and most economical) route to take to get one's MP3s encoded with copy protection. (Please cc me or write my personal e-mail) thank you, jeff yost yostie@ezworks.net From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Apr 16 16:54:39 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA04524; Sun, 16 Apr 2000 16:54:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2000 16:54:39 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2000 15:33:20 -0500 (CDT) From: Dave Onnen X-Sender: skyeklad@verdi.siteprotect.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Live horn looping Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"HyBil1.0.bZ._EY-u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13537 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com If anyone else is from the Seattle area they should check out a band called Ota Prota, if they haven't already. They remind me a little of the Miles Davis Bitches Brew stuff. The reason that I bring this up is that the trumpet player is really good at using his Akai Headrush live. He does not do a lot of looping with it exactly, but more for sampling something in time with the song and playing over it. He will sometimes resample it with some overdubs and also trigger a stored loop at interesting moments. Since I just picked on of these pedals up in Tokyo I found this very interesting. Another fun thing I picked up the other day is a DigiTech PDS2000 Sampler/Delay pedal. I really like these things and I have been looking for one since my old pedal died. The thing I like about these is that it lets you sample something, and then tweak the delay time to raise or lower the pitch with no glitches. Does anyone know of any other delay units that will allow you to do this? This brings me to my actual question. I have been getting into running my effects in parallel instead of all in line like I used to. Does anyone know of a good way to split a signal from an instrument into many lines (6?) to run parallel effects, which then get input into the trusty Mackie 1202 and mixed live? I am also interested in being able to mute the imput to certain lines so that the existing loops do not get messed up. Thanks ___________________________________________________________ Dave Onnen skyeklad@skyeklad.com ___________________________________________________________ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Apr 16 17:25:58 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA08165; Sun, 16 Apr 2000 17:25:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2000 17:25:58 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Bad-Idea: su; rm -rf / X-Blasphemy: Invert me under my stars. Message-Id: <4.1.20000416150131.00993cd0@realm-of-shade.com> X-Sender: reverendrob@realm-of-shade.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2000 15:03:15 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: the Reverend Rob Subject: Re: Live horn looping In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"AChbk.0.pc1.ImY-u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13538 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At or around 03:33 PM 4/16/00 -0500, Dave Onnen wrote: >Another fun thing I picked up the other day is a DigiTech PDS2000 >Sampler/Delay pedal. I really like these things and I have been looking >for one since my old pedal died. The thing I like about these is that it >lets you sample something, and then tweak the delay time to raise or lower >the pitch with no glitches. Does anyone know of any other delay units that >will allow you to do this? Any of the Digitech RDS rackmounts will do the same, or do non-destructive modulation of the looped signal. == the Reverend Rob ICQ: 1280871 http://www.realm-of-shade.com .`. .`. .`. .`. http://www.qblh.com ================================================================= "I prefer not to kill people, but I'd like to destroy as much property as possible." - Grace Slick, from the Airplane FBI file ================================================================= http://www.reverendrob.com : feedback and echo MP3s From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Apr 16 18:27:30 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA12609; Sun, 16 Apr 2000 18:27:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2000 18:27:30 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Phaedebk@aol.com Message-ID: <86.2518e75.262b92aa@aol.com> Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2000 18:03:22 EDT Subject: Re: Performing solo loop improvisations To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 33 Resent-Message-ID: <"h3J6k.0.Fg2.eZZ-u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13539 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Scott-man, Hey there, it matters upon how you use your looper(s) and then what you are trying to do with whatever musical style you're playing that night. In my case, I'll use my Boomerang to generate different drones and sometimes chord changes over top of these drones, or vice versa. The big thing is hoping against hope that none of your equipment goes south on you... Also trying to sparse down your road gear is something to consider, especially if you have a stomp box or rack unit that's a bit fragile. Had an active volume pedal take a dive on me, and the nice thing was that I was able to disconnect it, take it out of the circuit without the performance really getting interrupted. Audience got to hear the same lines over and over and over, again... One thing which is implied in your question is that these loops are all made on the fly, during the performance. There are some people out there, and yes even myself who use a few pre-made loops (well sequences in my case) and use these. Just need to snag a drum machine and then things'll be better. Have to agree with Denis on his view of an audience's perception of a player and his/her speed without a drum machine. Not that I've played in Belgium, or lost track of my towel at any point, but this isn't exactly a non-gear question, really... Now if only I had a really hot cup of tea... Lee-ohki. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Apr 17 02:43:06 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA31173; Mon, 17 Apr 2000 02:43:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 02:43:06 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000417063242.68963.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [134.155.18.33] From: "Robert Eberwein" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: vocals Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2000 23:32:42 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"dDEgl.0.FO7.h0h-u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13540 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Does anyone know a good way to remove vocals from CD's? I know there is lots of potential for rip-offs in this- but I just want to put new tracks in, and loop it. Somebody, please? Thanks, robb ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Apr 17 11:08:00 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA07874; Mon, 17 Apr 2000 11:08:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 11:08:00 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <7CD674FF54FBD21181D800805F57CD540C633C20@RED-MSG-44> From: Phil Petrocelli To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Live horn looping Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 07:47:19 -0700 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2651.58) Resent-Message-ID: <"4Nat21.0.jR1.lGo-u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13541 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Also check out Radio Chong Ching here in Seattle. Leslie Dalaba is a trumpet player and she utilizes two JamMan's. I believe their percussionist, Greg Gilmore, uses two JamMan's as well. Same style of stuff, altho not as aggressive as Ota Prota. Both bands are quite good. Phil -----Original Message----- From: Dave Onnen [mailto:skyeklad@skyeklad.com] Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2000 1:33 PM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Live horn looping If anyone else is from the Seattle area they should check out a band called Ota Prota, if they haven't already. They remind me a little of the Miles Davis Bitches Brew stuff. The reason that I bring this up is that the trumpet player is really good at using his Akai Headrush live. He does not do a lot of looping with it exactly, but more for sampling something in time with the song and playing over it. He will sometimes resample it with some overdubs and also trigger a stored loop at interesting moments. Since I just picked on of these pedals up in Tokyo I found this very interesting. Another fun thing I picked up the other day is a DigiTech PDS2000 Sampler/Delay pedal. I really like these things and I have been looking for one since my old pedal died. The thing I like about these is that it lets you sample something, and then tweak the delay time to raise or lower the pitch with no glitches. Does anyone know of any other delay units that will allow you to do this? This brings me to my actual question. I have been getting into running my effects in parallel instead of all in line like I used to. Does anyone know of a good way to split a signal from an instrument into many lines (6?) to run parallel effects, which then get input into the trusty Mackie 1202 and mixed live? I am also interested in being able to mute the imput to certain lines so that the existing loops do not get messed up. Thanks ___________________________________________________________ Dave Onnen skyeklad@skyeklad.com ___________________________________________________________ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Apr 17 11:57:21 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA13310; Mon, 17 Apr 2000 11:57:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 11:57:21 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: kamlapati.khalsa@philips.com To: Subject: EDP Malfunction Question Message-ID: <0056910004597343000002L132*@MHS> Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 10:39:06 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; name="MEMO 04/17/00 10:43:31" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by rosy.yourwebhost.com id LAA11231 Resent-Message-ID: <"zgNHf1.0.ol2.t0p-u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13542 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com All, The RECORD button on my EDP foot controller stopped working yesterday. I am in a panic! Sometimes the switch does nothing, sometimes a single tap sends two taps to the the box. Does anyone know where spare switched can be found? Does anyone have expereince with Gibson customer service / repair? Are there other ways to get my baby repaired? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks, Kamlapati From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Apr 17 12:25:48 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA16669; Mon, 17 Apr 2000 12:25:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 12:25:48 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 11:12:14 -0500 From: Mike McGary Subject: RE: EDP Malfunction Question In-reply-to: <0056910004597343000002L132*@MHS> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <"VSnvG.0.cr3.LYp-u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13543 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > The RECORD button on my EDP foot controller stopped working > yesterday. Here's a quick fix for you. Take one of the buttons you don't use very often and switch it with the bad one. This will keep you in business until you can find a replacement switch. Once you open it up you will see that it's a no-brainer to switch them. -Mike McGary From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Apr 17 13:11:30 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA22307; Mon, 17 Apr 2000 13:11:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 13:11:30 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Curbie" To: Subject: RE: EDP/LoopIII v5.0/Undo/problem? Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 09:44:53 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <01bfa72f$cb811880$030e4f0c@Wroswick.uvm.edu> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <"ckHmJ1.0.W25.X6q-u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13545 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Pedro, As Darrell suggests, it seems definitely the "feed back button". If you are reaching for infinite loop, and it seems that you are, then turn the feed back button all the way up. MIDI Dump Undo Parameter feature or what ever you are describing has nothing to do with the feed back loop dissipating, if that's what you are trying to correlate the problem to. As for "C'mon guys this is the reason I subscribe...", no one's paying us. Your subscription to this "wonderful and informative" forum is a priviledge, in my opinion. Have fun looping. Curbie -----Original Message----- From: Pedro Felix [mailto:PedroFelix@worldnet.att.net] Sent: Saturday, April 15, 2000 4:11 PM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: EDP/LoopIII v5.0/Undo/problem? C'mon guys this is the reason I subscribe to this particular newsletter: I own and operate am EDP with maxed out memory which had v3.2 loaded. I ordered the v5.0 upgrade from Kim and received same today. I installed the new EPROM's per the instructions and reset the EDP. Now for the problem?: When I hit record the Undo led does not light up in yellow as i've grown accustomed to AND when I finish my loop and hit record again (to let the loop play on and on), the loop begins to fade with each successive pass and the Undo led glows green. The only way to restore the volume of the loop is to hit Undo after each loop. I read through the new instructions and fact sheet and don't know what I am doing wrong. I've checked every parameter setting and have set and reset each one as before and still no luck. I have another EDP at home so I checked the settings there which are identical save for the ddd under the Midi-Dump Undo parameter feature which is not coming up at all on my new upgraded EDP. Kim, gang, anyone please share some wisdom and insight..... PedrOOrdeP PostScript: I am not using any midi function that I know of and am only triggering the EDP with the footswitch. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Apr 17 13:09:59 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA22154; Mon, 17 Apr 2000 13:09:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 13:09:59 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <000b01bfa88c$af0cc240$b483abd4@h2v6p1> From: "luca" To: References: Subject: R: Live horn looping Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 18:47:55 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <"WlQq.0.da4.owp-u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13544 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > > This brings me to my actual question. I have been getting into running my > effects in parallel instead of all in line like I used to. Does anyone > know of a good way to split a signal from an instrument into many lines > (6?) to run parallel effects, which then get input into the trusty Mackie > 1202 and mixed live? I am also interested in being able to mute the imput > to certain lines so that the existing loops do not get messed up. I also use my set up on parallel processing, I have found a solution using the Advance Mus. Tech. "Missing Link". It allows you to send the "mother signal" out from 2 couples of stereo sends and receive from 2 couples of stereo returns. Consider that the master out passes through a couple of tubes (there are several combinations), so that the digital processing gains warmness and harmonics lost during the digital conversion. I found it really useful. I also know of something like that (with no tubes) from Digital Music Co. but I have been told of quality losses in the signal. Luca. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Apr 17 14:13:00 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA02897; Mon, 17 Apr 2000 14:13:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 14:13:00 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Pedro Felix" To: Subject: Re: EDP/LoopIII v5.0/Undo/problem? Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 13:36:14 -0500 Message-ID: <01bfa89b$cfa8b2c0$66124f0c@Wroswick.uvm.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"9vOq73.0.8s6.rnq-u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13546 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Curbie, >As Darrell suggests, it seems definitely the "feed back button"... as I mentioned the feedback knob is all the way up, the problem wasn't there, I ended up checking and changing the Mute midi FeedbackCont paramter from 1 to 127 and that fixed the problem, though that is not how I have my other EDP set so it was new to me. So yeah I guess the midi paramter had something to do with it after all. Don't know why and a part of me doesn't care so long as I can loop on and on. >As for "C'mon guys this is the reason I subscribe...", no one's >paying us. Your subscription to this "wonderful and informative" >forum is a priviledge, in my opinion. as to your last comment I could do without it, I meant by "C'mon guys..." that everyone here shares information and that's what I dig about it. When something new is mentioned I try to check it out. I know and understand that no one is being paid for the information given. So save it... PedrOOrdeP From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Apr 17 14:12:37 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA02838; Mon, 17 Apr 2000 14:12:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 14:12:37 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: cho@newdream.net (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <000b01bfa88c$af0cc240$b483abd4@h2v6p1> References: Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 10:52:14 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Chris Chovit Subject: EDP Power-on problem Resent-Message-ID: <"19D2T2.0.pU7.Pvq-u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13547 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Arrrgh! One of my EDP's appeared to have died on me: it won't power up -- no lights, nothing! It is as if it wasn't even plugged in (but it is, of course). Anyone else ever have this problem? I am figuring it could be a bad power cord jack, power switch, or power transformer......any idas and/or recommendations of repair shops would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Chris From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Apr 17 15:06:51 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA10786; Mon, 17 Apr 2000 15:06:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 15:06:51 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "future perfect" To: Subject: RE: EDP Power-on problem Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 14:36:01 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"o8HAo2.0.hT1.yYr-u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13550 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Yes, this has happened to me- if I turn it off, and back on in a minute it works- go figure. Dave Eichenberger- guitars.loops.devices http://home1.gte.net/artmusic/dave > > Arrrgh! One of my EDP's appeared to have died on me: it won't power up -- > no lights, nothing! It is as if it wasn't even plugged in (but it is, of > course). Anyone else ever have this problem? I am figuring it > could be a > bad power cord jack, power switch, or power transformer......any idas > and/or recommendations of repair shops would be greatly appreciated. > > Thanks, > Chris > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Apr 17 15:11:41 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA12077; Mon, 17 Apr 2000 15:11:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 15:11:41 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <002e01bfa89e$f76d2e50$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: Subject: EDP flu? Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 13:58:47 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"NC3cS1.0.jV2.51s-u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13553 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com What's going on with EDPs? It seems to communicable. A virus? Is it the flu? A summer cold? Allergies? I'm afraid to go home and check mine! :) Perhaps this is a sign that Trace-Elliot models are on the market? Dennis Leas ----------------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Apr 17 15:11:40 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA12074; Mon, 17 Apr 2000 15:11:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 15:11:40 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: bets@shell11.ba.best.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 11:42:48 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: bets@she-bop.org (Betsey Biggs) Subject: Top Ten Resent-Message-ID: <"c3sjL.0.An1.Whr-u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13551 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi all, I'm a music student (keyboard/percussion/synth) and just getting into looping, still sorting out my gear, etc. I'm also wanting to listen to some examples of the genre... I've looked at the website discography and browsed through the archives, but I'm still looking for listening suggestions. I'm currently writing a paper on the use of loops in modern music and wanted to solicit a top ten list, of the top ten looping albums of all time. Okay, it doesn't have to be ten, but you get the idea. You can either post to the list or reply to me personally, and I'll post the final list. Book/article/website suggestions would be great, too. Looking forward to hearing from you! Betsey Biggs * * * * * * * * * Listening is forgetting the name of the thing one hears. -- Lawrence Weschler * * * * * * * * * From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Apr 17 15:08:34 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA11359; Mon, 17 Apr 2000 15:08:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 15:08:34 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "future perfect" To: Subject: Seen one?? Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 14:18:10 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"vgOOn3.0.3m.7Ir-u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13548 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com So has anyone on this list *seen* a new Echoplex? I am curious if they changed the colors. Even if the electronics are the same, I am sure in a few years, people will say the 'beige face' ones are much better. :) Dave Eichenberger- guitars.loops.devices http://home1.gte.net/artmusic/dave From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Apr 17 15:25:35 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA14834; Mon, 17 Apr 2000 15:25:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 15:25:35 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000417145203.007d0630@panther.middlebury.edu> X-Sender: mchriste@panther.middlebury.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 14:52:03 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: murkie Subject: Re: EDP Power-on problem In-Reply-To: References: <000b01bfa88c$af0cc240$b483abd4@h2v6p1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"lwjAO1.0.FB2.arr-u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13552 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com you could buy a jamman... just kidding!!!! (zipping up flame retardant suit) m At 10:52 AM 4/17/00 -0700, you wrote: >Arrrgh! One of my EDP's appeared to have died on me: it won't power up -- >no lights, nothing! It is as if it wasn't even plugged in (but it is, of >course). Anyone else ever have this problem? I am figuring it could be a >bad power cord jack, power switch, or power transformer......any idas >and/or recommendations of repair shops would be greatly appreciated. > >Thanks, >Chris > ===================================================================== = = = M a r k C h r i s t e n s e n = = Cramped Quarters Studio / Jasperpottamus Music Publishing = = internet: murkie@middlebury.edu = = http://www.middlebury.edu/~mchriste/murkie.html = = = ===================================================================== From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Apr 17 15:25:33 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA14831; Mon, 17 Apr 2000 15:25:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 15:25:33 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <001d01bfa8a2$ccafb9e0$6787abd4@h2v6p1> From: "luca" To: Subject: EDP questions. Check its conditions. Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 21:25:11 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001A_01BFA8B3.69DA74C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <"21KhN3.0.lL3.QFs-u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13554 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001A_01BFA8B3.69DA74C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have received my Edp back from a warranty fixing and I would like to = check if everything is ok. I have some doubts about this: 1- after an hour playing it has gone in "tilt" and I have had to reboot = it, after having switched on the write "loop 5" came out for more time = than usual, went out and then came back another time. Then the machine = was set up alright.=20 2- I think I hear more "hum" noise than usual when I overdub. (that I = can remember, I have stayied without it for so long). I can find this = also with no signal in it: hit record, close the loop and then hit = overdub for 2 or three lenghts. 3-When I switched it on the last time it was displaying full lights, = number and letters on. No midi cables are connected, after the firsts problem I did the reset. thanks for sharing your comments, before go back gigging with it I would = like to check if this problems are usual for the Edp or not. Luca ------=_NextPart_000_001A_01BFA8B3.69DA74C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I have received my Edp back from a = warranty fixing=20 and I would like to check if everything is ok.
I have some doubts about = this:
 
1- after an hour playing it has gone in = "tilt" and=20 I have had to reboot it, after having switched on the write "loop 5" = came out=20 for more time than usual, went out and then came back another time. Then = the=20 machine was set up alright.
2- I think I hear more "hum" noise = than usual=20 when I  overdub.  (that I can remember, I have stayied without = it for=20 so long). I can find this also with no signal in it: hit record, close = the loop=20 and then hit overdub for 2 or three lenghts.
3-When I switched it on the last time it was displaying full = lights, number=20 and letters on.
 
 No midi cables are connected, = after the=20 firsts problem I did the reset.
 
thanks for sharing your comments, = before go back=20 gigging with it I would like to check if this problems are usual for the = Edp or=20 not.
 
Luca
------=_NextPart_000_001A_01BFA8B3.69DA74C0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Apr 17 15:38:11 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA17158; Mon, 17 Apr 2000 15:38:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 15:38:11 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: tcweller@lucid.spiraco.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 14:26:40 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Travis Weller Subject: RE: EDP Power-on problem Resent-Message-ID: <"K9LNv1.0.gN3.uFs-u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13555 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com i've experienced this as well. it acutally happens pretty often, but since it's intermittant, i haven't felt compelled to send it off for repairs. i'd be interested to hear if anyone has seen this problem get worse and worse until it never turns on again... -travis >Yes, this has happened to me- if I turn it off, and back on in a minute it >works- go figure. >> Arrrgh! One of my EDP's appeared to have died on me: it won't power up -- >> no lights, nothing! It is as if it wasn't even plugged in (but it is, of >> course). Anyone else ever have this problem? I am figuring it >> could be a >> bad power cord jack, power switch, or power transformer......any idas >> and/or recommendations of repair shops would be greatly appreciated. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Apr 17 15:43:40 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA17979; Mon, 17 Apr 2000 15:43:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 15:43:40 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <000701bfa8a1$c14fd9a0$f653fe3f@kimvicen> From: "Kim Vicente" To: Subject: Is the Gibson Echoplex Digital Pro.... Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 15:18:45 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0004_01BFA880.393AD360" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"X9GMy2.0.8e3.tKs-u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13556 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BFA880.393AD360 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ...going to come with Loop III v.5? Or is that another upgrade you have = to get after the fact? ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BFA880.393AD360 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
...going to come with Loop III v.5? = Or is that=20 another upgrade you have to get after the = fact?
------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BFA880.393AD360-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Apr 17 15:53:47 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA19477; Mon, 17 Apr 2000 15:53:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 15:53:47 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 12:38:39 -0700 To: From: Chris Chovit Subject: RE: EDP Power-on problem Resent-Message-ID: <"O7cum2.0.H24.9Ts-u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13557 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hmmm. I'm not so lucky....maybe if i wait a day..... - Chris >Yes, this has happened to me- if I turn it off, and back on in a minute it >works- go figure. > >Dave Eichenberger- guitars.loops.devices >http://home1.gte.net/artmusic/dave > > >> >> Arrrgh! One of my EDP's appeared to have died on me: it won't power up -- >> no lights, nothing! It is as if it wasn't even plugged in (but it is, of >> course). Anyone else ever have this problem? I am figuring it >> could be a >> bad power cord jack, power switch, or power transformer......any idas >> and/or recommendations of repair shops would be greatly appreciated. >> >> Thanks, >> Chris >> From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Apr 17 15:52:33 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA19247; Mon, 17 Apr 2000 15:52:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 15:52:33 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000417183216.6772.qmail@web125.yahoomail.com> Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 11:32:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Bret Subject: Re: EDP Power-on problem To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"z6mor2.0.PT1.qYr-u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13549 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com First check the internal fuse (unplug power cord first). I have had these blow in more than one EDP. I ended up putting in a slightly larger value fuse after replacing the fuse several times after just a few power cycles. For my EDPs, the stock value fuse is marginal. I checked the current draw on 3 EDP, finding no difference in them, installed a fuse that carried about 1/4 amp more current. This seems to have remedied the power on current surge blowing fuses. bret --- Chris Chovit wrote: > Arrrgh! One of my EDP's appeared to have died on > me: it won't power up -- > no lights, nothing! It is as if it wasn't even > plugged in (but it is, of > course). Anyone else ever have this problem? I am > figuring it could be a > bad power cord jack, power switch, or power > transformer......any idas > and/or recommendations of repair shops would be > greatly appreciated. > > Thanks, > Chris > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send online invitations with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Apr 17 16:14:19 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA21687; Mon, 17 Apr 2000 16:14:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 16:14:19 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000417195607.19376.qmail@web117.yahoomail.com> Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 12:56:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Bret Subject: Re: EDP questions. Check its conditions. To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"SUdTs.0.Gp4.Qns-u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13558 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Luca, 1. The only time my edps have gone "tilt" is when I zapped their footpedals with static electricity. I live in a dry environment with high static charge buildup. I fixed this by adding a rubber gromment around the footpedal jack (to insulate the jack's ground from the footpedal housing). This was at Kim's advice, and it resolved the "tilt" problem for me. I have not seen the reboot sequence you mention. 2. Hum should not be audible from the EDP. 3. Again, I have only seen such odd behavior when I zapped the footpedal with static discharge. bret --- luca wrote: > I have received my Edp back from a warranty fixing > and I would like to check if everything is ok. > I have some doubts about this: > > 1- after an hour playing it has gone in "tilt" and I > have had to reboot it, after having switched on the > write "loop 5" came out for more time than usual, > went out and then came back another time. Then the > machine was set up alright. > 2- I think I hear more "hum" noise than usual when I > overdub. (that I can remember, I have stayied > without it for so long). I can find this also with > no signal in it: hit record, close the loop and then > hit overdub for 2 or three lenghts. > 3-When I switched it on the last time it was > displaying full lights, number and letters on. > > No midi cables are connected, after the firsts > problem I did the reset. > > thanks for sharing your comments, before go back > gigging with it I would like to check if this > problems are usual for the Edp or not. > > Luca > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send online invitations with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Apr 17 16:21:48 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA22793; Mon, 17 Apr 2000 16:21:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 16:21:48 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Echoechoparkpark@aol.com Message-ID: <99.390c765.262cc81a@aol.com> Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 16:03:38 EDT Subject: Peter Kowald... God is coming to SF, Portland, Chicago To: pwiley@sirius.com, Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 189 Resent-Message-ID: <"BtO2g1.0.f05.Evs-u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13559 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi Peter W, Stig, fellow loopers, Cynthia and I went to Conjunctive Points (very beautiful huge dance space) and Peter Kowald really affected us with the depth and humanity of his playing. You know those rare moments in music where you catch your breath and listen much further in - there were a few of those for sure. Also, we were the ones laughing, too. We weren't the only ones, but those moments are really interesting because the music is clearly coming from a place of such depth and reverence for the soul, yet a given sound at that moment resonates my funny bone and I don't want to hold back the laughter. I don't have a problem with this other than some folks just didn't think it was funny and glanced over at us disapprovingly! When talking with Peter afterward, we brought this up. He concurred. He takes his music very seriously, and he strives to relate to humanity through it and delights in the tickley moments just as well as the more soulful resonances. Speaking with him, gosh, what can I say, he's an amazing man! Kudos to Stig for forging on through a set with GE Stinson afterward despite his 100+ degree fever!! You guys might have felt like the following act after the Beatles on the Ed Sullivan show, but my interest was held throughout and I'm excited to see your next gig. I feel like I only got a tasty sampling of what you guys are about. ...So we had to blow off our Sun. night class and go see Peter with Nels and others down in San Pedro (Saint Peter!). Maybe it was partially the double espresso mochaccino sacred cow w/a scoop of vanilla, but again I was transported. It seems this guy never fails to make music right off the bat with people he's never met before. LA people don't be FOOLS!! Peter is playing tonight at 8pm (Monday) at the Ace Gallery 5514 Wilshire 323-255-5395. Vinny Golia on reeds/flutes. AND....dance (yay!) from Cheryl Banks-Smith. Also Tuesday at 12 noon at CalArts 24700 McBean Parkway, Valencia. I don't know, but being CalArts, this might be more of a seminar type thing which would be so cool and this performance is FREE! >> It really SUCKS that his current US tour seems to be going everywhere in >> the country except the Northwest! Peter said he'd be going up to San Fran next then onto PORTLAND - stay alert! Also Chicago he mentioned... www.kowald.de eric p echo park From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Apr 17 16:45:41 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA25943; Mon, 17 Apr 2000 16:45:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 16:45:41 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38FB7296.C7BFEFDC@best.com> Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 13:22:47 -0700 From: Allan Hoeltje X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Seen one?? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"CMz5w3.0.Ti5.QCt-u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13560 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Not yet, but I will tonight. According to FED EX tracking: Delivered To : Recipient Delivery Location : OAKLAND CA Delivery Date : 04/17 Delivery Time : 11:12 Signed For By : J.G. Scan Activity Delivered EMERYVILLE CA 04/17 11:12 Placed on Van EMERYVILLE CA 04/17 07:45 Arrived at FedEx Destination Location EMERYVILLE CA 04/17 06:43 Left FedEx Sort Facility OAKLAND CA 04/15 08:54 Arrived at Sort Facility OAKLAND CA 04/15 07:44 Left FedEx Sort Facility NEWARK NJ 04/15 02:00 Left FedEx Sort Facility NEWARK NJ 04/14 10:45 Left FedEx Ramp NEWBURGH NY 04/13 23:45 Left FedEx Origin Location NEWBURGH NY 04/13 21:00 Picked up NEWBURGH NY 04/13 18:01 And according to email just in from my spouse: Subject: big big box Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 11:13:22 -0700 From: JG <> To: ahoeltje@best.com I didn't know you were buying moretoys........Anyway Fedex delivered it. What color? xoj Uh, oh, it was so long ago that I ordered it from Alto Music I forgot to tell her!! Funny, she wants to know what color it is too! Thank you Alto Music! :-)) Allan future perfect wrote: > So has anyone on this list *seen* a new Echoplex? I am curious if they > changed the colors. Even if the electronics are the same, I am sure in a few > years, people will say the 'beige face' ones are much better. :) > > Dave Eichenberger- guitars.loops.devices > http://home1.gte.net/artmusic/dave From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Apr 17 16:44:12 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA25742; Mon, 17 Apr 2000 16:44:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 16:44:12 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: Subject: RE: Seen one?? Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 13:38:40 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 In-Reply-To: <38FB7296.C7BFEFDC@best.com> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <"i4Xp82.0.M86.BOt-u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13561 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes!!! If your's came, then mine must have too. bIz -----Original Message----- From: Allan Hoeltje [mailto:ahoeltje@best.com] Sent: Monday, April 17, 2000 1:23 PM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Seen one?? Not yet, but I will tonight. According to FED EX tracking: Delivered To : Recipient Delivery Location : OAKLAND CA Delivery Date : 04/17 Delivery Time : 11:12 Signed For By : J.G. Scan Activity Delivered EMERYVILLE CA 04/17 11:12 Placed on Van EMERYVILLE CA 04/17 07:45 Arrived at FedEx Destination Location EMERYVILLE CA 04/17 06:43 Left FedEx Sort Facility OAKLAND CA 04/15 08:54 Arrived at Sort Facility OAKLAND CA 04/15 07:44 Left FedEx Sort Facility NEWARK NJ 04/15 02:00 Left FedEx Sort Facility NEWARK NJ 04/14 10:45 Left FedEx Ramp NEWBURGH NY 04/13 23:45 Left FedEx Origin Location NEWBURGH NY 04/13 21:00 Picked up NEWBURGH NY 04/13 18:01 And according to email just in from my spouse: Subject: big big box Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 11:13:22 -0700 From: JG <> To: ahoeltje@best.com I didn't know you were buying moretoys........Anyway Fedex delivered it. What color? xoj Uh, oh, it was so long ago that I ordered it from Alto Music I forgot to tell her!! Funny, she wants to know what color it is too! Thank you Alto Music! :-)) Allan future perfect wrote: > So has anyone on this list *seen* a new Echoplex? I am curious if they > changed the colors. Even if the electronics are the same, I am sure in a few > years, people will say the 'beige face' ones are much better. :) > > Dave Eichenberger- guitars.loops.devices > http://home1.gte.net/artmusic/dave From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Apr 17 17:17:46 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA29475; Mon, 17 Apr 2000 17:17:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 17:17:46 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <002501bfa8ae$23503c60$8f368218@we.mediaone.net> From: "Om_Audio" To: References: Subject: Re: Seen one?? Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 13:47:25 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"ccFKs2.0.nM6.iWt-u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13562 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I saw 3 at Namm- exactly the same but for a large and unattractive Gibson logo- Cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: "future perfect" To: Sent: Monday, April 17, 2000 11:18 AM Subject: Seen one?? > So has anyone on this list *seen* a new Echoplex? I am curious if they > changed the colors. Even if the electronics are the same, I am sure in a few > years, people will say the 'beige face' ones are much better. :) > > Dave Eichenberger- guitars.loops.devices > http://home1.gte.net/artmusic/dave > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Apr 17 17:24:43 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA30518; Mon, 17 Apr 2000 17:24:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 17:24:43 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: panix3.panix.com: tonobung owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 17:06:02 -0400 (EDT) From: "r. dennis" To: "looper's delight" Subject: seattle/oly show assist? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"UZLEk.0.tu6.4pt-u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13563 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com hey yall this is robert of tono-bungay. i'm looking to set up a gig for my solo/improv/uglient side project called anti:clockwise in seattle or olympia on tuesday night may 23. i have a gig in portland the next night (milk bar; in area? pleeze cum...) & i would love to NOT have a night off with nowhere to play. time's growing tight and it would be great to get something going on so if you got any ideas, advice, expertise or impeccably heavy connects in those towns please don't hesitate to share. house parties ok ('cept that it's a toosday), pa not necessary, representative sampling of the act available on cassette or MD if needed for purposes of introduction (t. key has vouched for me in the past - thanks tara!) replies off-list, natch. quoth The Fly: "help me! help me!" (but i'm saying "PLEASE!!) end of transmission, robert From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Apr 17 17:42:04 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA31877; Mon, 17 Apr 2000 17:42:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 17:42:04 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <000501bfa8b3$e63664c0$bea40404@matrix1> From: "Matrix" To: Subject: Roland G-707 / GR-700 Cable pin out Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 16:28:36 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"CMJwE.0.yQ7.Z3u-u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13564 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I've got a Roland G-707 guitar (from the GR series) with a GR-700 guitar synth - Unfortunately the Pawn shop I bought it from did not have the 24 pin cable that connects the two devices together. Roland told me that they no longer carry cables for the G707 / GR700 set-up. Does Anyone know where I can purchase a 24pin cable that will work or what the pin-out of the cable is so that I can build one? PLEASE Help. Unimatrix2000@netzero.net ~Dave _____________________________________________ NetZero - Defenders of the Free World Click here for FREE Internet Access and Email http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Apr 17 17:47:44 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA32700; Mon, 17 Apr 2000 17:47:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 17:47:44 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "future perfect" To: Subject: RE: Seen one?? Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 17:45:04 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <38FB7296.C7BFEFDC@best.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"kZvz-1.0.Nm7.CKu-u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13565 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > Uh, oh, it was so long ago that I ordered it from Alto Music I > forgot to tell > her!! Funny, she wants to know what color it is too! Thank you > Alto Music! > > :-)) Allan Get a picture of that thing to post somewhere- lets see how unattractive that large Gibson logo is! Dave Eichenberger- guitars.loops.devices http://home1.gte.net/artmusic/dave From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Apr 17 18:26:20 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA03487; Mon, 17 Apr 2000 18:26:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 18:26:20 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: Subject: RE: Seen one?? Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 15:10:00 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <"WRK88.0.VZ.qju-u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13566 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com We definitely need Looper's delight logo's to stick on our looping gear. bIz -----Original Message----- From: future perfect [mailto:artmusic@gte.net] Sent: Monday, April 17, 2000 2:45 PM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: Seen one?? > Uh, oh, it was so long ago that I ordered it from Alto Music I > forgot to tell > her!! Funny, she wants to know what color it is too! Thank you > Alto Music! > > :-)) Allan Get a picture of that thing to post somewhere- lets see how unattractive that large Gibson logo is! Dave Eichenberger- guitars.loops.devices http://home1.gte.net/artmusic/dave From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Apr 17 18:45:18 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA05474; Mon, 17 Apr 2000 18:45:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 18:45:18 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 15:31:33 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Chris Chovit Subject: RE: EDP Power-on problem Resent-Message-ID: <"6EBOL1.0.Tv.D_u-u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13567 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com It was the internal fuse (I didn't know they had one)....Whew!! Thanks to Shane Radtke at Gibson for the quick solution. - Chris >Hmmm. I'm not so lucky....maybe if i wait a day..... > >- Chris > >>Yes, this has happened to me- if I turn it off, and back on in a minute it >>works- go figure. >> >>Dave Eichenberger- guitars.loops.devices >>http://home1.gte.net/artmusic/dave >> >> >>> >>> Arrrgh! One of my EDP's appeared to have died on me: it won't power up -- >>> no lights, nothing! It is as if it wasn't even plugged in (but it is, of >>> course). Anyone else ever have this problem? I am figuring it >>> could be a >>> bad power cord jack, power switch, or power transformer......any idas >>> and/or recommendations of repair shops would be greatly appreciated. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Chris >>> From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Apr 17 19:39:20 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA11828; Mon, 17 Apr 2000 19:39:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 19:39:20 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 19:06:34 -0400 (EDT) From: Unit Circle Media To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Performing solo loop improvisations In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20000413230942.007b5100@pop.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: unitcirc@keys.com Resent-Message-ID: <"ea1KD2.0.hx1.6av-u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13568 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Personally, I like to change my set-up for every gig, using either a different instrument or different order of effects or whatever. This helps me to avoid falling into old habits and keep what I'm doing fresh. I practice with the set up I'm going to use for a couple of nights before the gig so I can get a couple good ideas to fall back on in case of writer's block and then I just go and do it. I have a very textural approach usually, so it works a lot off of my current mood and a lot less around melodic or rhythmic lines. This seems to work pretty well for me, but I think each performer has to work out their situation themselves. Kevin Kevin Goldsmith kevin@unitcircle.com Unit Circle Media http://www.unitcircle.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Apr 17 20:09:54 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA14897; Mon, 17 Apr 2000 20:09:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 20:09:54 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Sender: r_t_cummings@compuserve.com Message-ID: <38FB9EBA.C4FD1CED@compuserve.com> Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 01:31:06 +0200 From: cummings X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [de] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Live horn looping References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"_qVZu.0.HB3.7Ew-u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13569 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com hello dave, i don't have a direct answer to your questions other than to recommend the mo-fx rack from electrix. from what you're describing, this would seem to be more or less suited to your setup. i've been using this for the last coupla months and i'm really enjoying it. it provides you with parallel access to distortion, flanger, (autopan) tremolo and a (pin-pong) delay - each of which has selectable filter bands and momentary switches! the possibilities are very interesting - you know, autopan the mids while delaying just the highs and hitting momentary blasts of distortion etc. the delay time control can be used for pitch shifting effects and with the feedback at 100%, the whole delay section can be used as a LOOPER! very interesting loops can be created by "dropping in" sound using the momentary switch and pitch-warping it up/down using the delay time control. not to mention, that all of this can be done in MIDI SYNC! read ya later, rob Dave Onnen wrote: > The thing I like about these is that it > lets you sample something, and then tweak the delay time to raise or lower > the pitch with no glitches. Does anyone know of any other delay units that > will allow you to do this? > > This brings me to my actual question. I have been getting into running my > effects in parallel instead of all in line like I used to. Does anyone > know of a good way to split a signal from an instrument into many lines > (6?) to run parallel effects, which then get input into the trusty Mackie > 1202 and mixed live? I am also interested in being able to mute the imput > to certain lines so that the existing loops do not get messed up. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Apr 17 22:13:58 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA28291; Mon, 17 Apr 2000 22:13:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 22:13:58 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Kuehnle@aol.com Message-ID: <3b.3aab08c.262d19ef@aol.com> Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 21:52:47 EDT Subject: Re: Live horn looping To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 142 Resent-Message-ID: <"NTUm_.0.BN6.J0y-u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13570 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >Dave Onnen wrote: >> The thing I like about these is that it >> lets you sample something, and then tweak the delay time to raise or >lower >> the pitch with no glitches. Does anyone know of any other delay units >that >> will allow you to do this? The Boss DM-2 is discontinued but it worked like this. Of course, the Line 6 DL-4 has a DM-2 model! Line 6 calls it "Analog Echo" I believe. Plus, it works in stereo... -Eric From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Apr 17 22:40:15 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA31136; Mon, 17 Apr 2000 22:40:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 22:40:15 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38FBC98B.4C6D@ezworks.net> Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 22:33:49 -0400 From: Jeff Yost Reply-To: yostie@ezworks.net Organization: Zerone Audio Labs/DigiMete Arts/GigSwaP X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com CC: tonobung@panix.com Subject: Re: seattle/oly show assist? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"e1AAn.0.bS7.Xcy-u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13572 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com (i'm looking to set up a gig for my solo/improv/uglient side project called anti:clockwise in seattle or olympia on tuesday night may 23.) Robert- why don't you try COLOURBOX if it's still there in Pioneer Square. They were good to me when I was touring. jeff yost From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Apr 17 22:37:50 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA30913; Mon, 17 Apr 2000 22:37:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 22:37:50 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Jhsidlo@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 22:18:37 EDT Subject: Re: RE: Live horn looping To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Mac - Post-GM sub 65 Resent-Message-ID: <"frXNE2.0.z27.cOy-u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13571 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Leslie Dalaba, who plays with Jeff Grienke's Land? Are there any group buys on the Oberheim EDP? How's that new analog Echoplex? Worth $700? James From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Apr 18 00:19:35 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA09352; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 00:19:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 00:19:35 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: ENAT21213@aol.com Message-ID: <6d.2ce5f6f.262d34a4@aol.com> Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 23:46:44 EDT Subject: EDP Power-on problem To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 100 Resent-Message-ID: <"lmgik.0.qG1.Ihz-u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13573 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com i've been on the alto waiting list for over a year and today i received my edp! so i plug the power cord in and the lights are glowing....i was so excited!!!!!!! i go to plug a cord into the input jack and the input light lights up.......then..........the thing dies on me!!!!!!!! arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgggggggggggggg!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! seems i'm not the only one brian electric bird noise From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Apr 18 00:19:38 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA09358; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 00:19:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 00:19:38 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <021e01bfa8ea$2c4e3600$0100005a@ne.mediaone.net> From: "Peter Shindler" To: References: Subject: Re: Live horn looping Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 23:57:10 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <"sguDq3.0.5h1.Suz-u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13574 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Dave Onnen To: Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2000 4:33 PM Subject: Live horn looping > Another fun thing I picked up the other day is a DigiTech PDS2000 > Sampler/Delay pedal. I really like these things and I have been looking > for one since my old pedal died. The thing I like about these is that it > lets you sample something, and then tweak the delay time to raise or lower > the pitch with no glitches. Does anyone know of any other delay units that > will allow you to do this? My trusty DOD DFX 94 can do that. Of course it maxes out at 4 seconds, doesn't give you more than about 10 layers, and DOD hasn't made it for at least 3 years. But if you see one on ebay, don't hesitate (and don't pay more than $100). Peter From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Apr 18 00:44:32 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA14361; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 00:44:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 00:44:32 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000418043943.9682.qmail@web116.yahoomail.com> Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 21:39:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Bret Subject: Re: EDP Power-on problem To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"vddvX3.0.hP3.LS--u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13575 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Check the (internal) fuse brother, and have a cup of tea. bret --- ENAT21213@aol.com wrote: > i've been on the alto waiting list for over a year > and today i received my > edp! > so i plug the power cord in and the lights are > glowing....i was so > excited!!!!!!! > i go to plug a cord into the input jack and the > input light lights > up.......then..........the thing dies on me!!!!!!!! > arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgggggggggggggg!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > seems i'm not the only one > brian > electric bird noise > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Apr 18 01:22:57 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA17909; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 01:22:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 01:22:57 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 22:11:57 -0700 From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: EDP Malfunction Question In-reply-to: <0056910004597343000002L132*@MHS> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"95Jgz2.0.BF4.70_-u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13576 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 8:39 AM -0700 4/17/00, kamlapati.khalsa@philips.com wrote: >All, > >The RECORD button on my EDP foot controller stopped working yesterday. I >am in a panic! Sometimes the switch does nothing, sometimes a single tap >sends two taps to the the box. Does anyone know where spare switched can >be found? you can replace it with any momentary switch, really. The actual switches Gibson uses can be bought from Mouser, http://www.mouser.com. It's very easy to fix yourself, the pedal is quite simple. (you need some nominal soldering skills, though.) >Does anyone have >expereince with Gibson customer service / repair? Are there other ways to >get my baby repaired? Gibson has a repair operation set up for the echoplex now, and they seem quite capable and friendly to me. Contact Shane Radtke , 1-800-544-2766 x206 or (847) 741-7315 x206. I think Shane is on the list. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Apr 18 01:27:25 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA18313; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 01:27:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 01:27:25 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 01:24:14 -0400 (EDT) From: Unit Circle Media To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: seattle/oly show assist? In-Reply-To: <38FBC98B.4C6D@ezworks.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: unitcirc@keys.com Resent-Message-ID: <"FV9Y61.0.GP4.56_-u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13577 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > Robert- why don't you try COLOURBOX if it's still there in Pioneer > Square. They were good to me when I was touring. > The Colourbox is gone. Robert, I've forwarded your mail to some friends who gig more often than I do, hopefully, you should get a nibble. Tuesday is a very unfortunate night to play this kind of music in Seattle. Your best bet may be the Rainbow, but I don't have contact info, sorry. Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Apr 18 03:18:58 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA27514; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 03:18:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 03:18:58 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 00:11:21 -0700 From: Kim Flint Subject: RE: EDP Power-on problem In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: Resent-Message-ID: <"8XSzg2.0.ZZ6.Di0_u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13578 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 12:26 PM -0700 4/17/00, Travis Weller wrote: >i've experienced this as well. it acutally happens pretty often, but since >it's intermittant, i haven't felt compelled to send it off for repairs. >i'd be interested to hear if anyone has seen this problem get worse and >worse until it never turns on again... > >-travis > >>Yes, this has happened to me- if I turn it off, and back on in a minute it >>works- go figure. > there was a batch of units that went out a year or so ago where I think some of them had this problem. It took a while to figure out why, but it is understood now. It's a pretty easy repair. If it's bugging you, contact Shane Radtke at Gibson, he should be able to take care of it. (sradtke@gibson.com, 1-800-544-2766 x206 or (847) 741-7315 x206.) kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Apr 18 03:26:22 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA28415; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 03:26:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 03:26:22 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 00:19:41 -0700 From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Seen one?? In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: Resent-Message-ID: <"yARud2.0.gn6.Oq0_u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13579 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 11:18 AM -0700 4/17/00, future perfect wrote: >So has anyone on this list *seen* a new Echoplex? I am curious if they >changed the colors. Even if the electronics are the same, I am sure in a few >years, people will say the 'beige face' ones are much better. :) > >Dave Eichenberger- guitars.loops.devices >http://home1.gte.net/artmusic/dave Clearly, the ones that say Oberheim are worth more now. :-) I have a prototype unit mistakenly made with a black face and white type. I think it's a bit ugly, and it certainly doesn't sound any different to me. But hey, don't people sell prototype flying-V's for absurd amounts of money now? I figure this guy will be my early retirement. It's certainly a better bet than the nasdaq. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Apr 18 03:50:52 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA30367; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 03:50:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 03:50:52 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "future perfect" To: Subject: RE: EDP Power-on problem Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 03:37:15 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"_nKyd2.0.f57.301_u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13580 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > > there was a batch of units that went out a year or so ago where I think > some of them had this problem. It took a while to figure out why, > but it is > understood now. It's a pretty easy repair. If it's bugging you, contact > Shane Radtke at Gibson, he should be able to take care of it. > (sradtke@gibson.com, 1-800-544-2766 x206 or (847) 741-7315 x206.) > > kim Is this a repair that can be done at home?? Or do I have to send it in? Dave Eichenberger- guitars.loops.devices http://home1.gte.net/artmusic/dave From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Apr 18 03:42:57 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA29707; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 03:42:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 03:42:57 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 00:33:18 -0700 From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Top Ten In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"i8RE-2.0.MB7.151_u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13581 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 11:42 AM -0700 4/17/00, Betsey Biggs wrote: >Hi all, > >I'm a music student (keyboard/percussion/synth) and just getting into >looping, still sorting out my gear, etc. I'm also wanting to listen to some >examples of the genre... I've looked at the website discography and browsed >through the archives, but I'm still looking for listening suggestions. I'm >currently writing a paper on the use of loops in modern music and wanted to >solicit a top ten list, of the top ten looping albums of all time. Okay, it >doesn't have to be ten, but you get the idea. I think Looping is more of a musical technique and not a genre at all. You could use it anywhere, really. Recommending top looping albums seems rather like recommending the "top 10 percussion albums" or something. But I think you could start with "Looper's Delight Vol. 1", and then go for "Looper's Delight Vol. 2". All made from people on the list, past and present. You can find out how to order them from the web site. From there, check out all the other recordings people on this list have made. You'll hear all sorts of great music from people right here! If you go to the Profiles section on the LD pages you'll find links to people's pages where many have their stuff online. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Apr 18 08:01:22 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA18856; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 08:01:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 08:01:22 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38FCC960.F05D4CA3@vtx.ch> Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 13:45:20 -0700 From: Claude voit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight Subject: EDP alternative to vol pedal [a DIY idea} Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"dgj1V2.0.KU4.Cs4_u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13582 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com salut With my pmc 10 I'm handling my edp's feedback through 5 switches on the pmc's top row those five switches send 5 different cc values that give me instant feedback value inc/decrease presets I really like the way it works but it takes 5 switches of the pmc only for that Was thinking: how a bout a simple circuit that would replace the edp feedback expression pedal with a set of 5 switches that would emulate 5 fixed values the 5 values would be preset with trim pots and the switches would toggle through the values a 6th switch could repatch a real vol pedal for fades etc... If all this is possible I would drill holes on my edp footswitch to implement those feedback preset switches 2-3 cm over the existing ones the example here is for the edp but i could imagine a lot of situation where this "preset expression pedal" could be very useful (Effects, just before the amp for guitarists ,etc..) The main problem is I'm not an electronic engineer so I hav'nt a clue of how and if this could be done what do you think? can anybody help? a newsgroup where this could be suggested? have a nice day Claude From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Apr 18 08:34:43 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA21526; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 08:34:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 08:34:43 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <77.31a0a8c.262daf5e@aol.com> Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 08:30:22 EDT Subject: Re: R: Live horn looping To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 32 Resent-Message-ID: <"onLLU2.0.SB5.6M5_u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13583 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > > This brings me to my actual question. I have been getting into running my > > effects in parallel instead of all in line like I used to. Does anyone > > know of a good way to split a signal from an instrument into many lines > > (6?) to run parallel effects, which then get input into the trusty Mackie > > 1202 and mixed live? I am also interested in being able to mute the imput > > to certain lines so that the existing loops do not get messed up. the ultimate solution would be a mixer with enough outputs to cover your requirements (FX sends or Group Outs) Otherwise you could run a number of FX from each Aux out of your mixer, which would be much better than a passive split before the mixer. how about putting 6 pots (100K log?) in a box so you could control i/p to each FX separately. Because you'd be using the mixer out you wouldn't need any active electronics to get a high quality result. Andy Butler From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Apr 18 10:06:39 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA32466; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 10:06:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 10:06:39 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <003201bfa93b$50e4a6b0$48310140@concentric.net> From: "Larry Tremblay" To: References: <77.31a0a8c.262daf5e@aol.com> Subject: Re: R: Live horn looping Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 09:37:59 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"xBas01.0.Ex6.6H6_u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13584 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com To split your source signal, you could use a patchbay instead. Just create a 6-way mult (one-in/six-out), and patch your FX into the patchbay, then send any mult to any effect you want. - Larry ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2000 8:30 AM Subject: Re: R: Live horn looping > > > This brings me to my actual question. I have been getting into running my > > > effects in parallel instead of all in line like I used to. Does anyone > > > know of a good way to split a signal from an instrument into many lines > > > (6?) to run parallel effects, which then get input into the trusty Mackie > > > 1202 and mixed live? I am also interested in being able to mute the imput > > > to certain lines so that the existing loops do not get messed up. > > the ultimate solution would be a mixer with enough outputs to cover > your requirements (FX sends or Group Outs) > Otherwise you could run a number of FX from each Aux out of your mixer, > which would be much better than a passive split before the mixer. > how about putting 6 pots (100K log?) in a box so you could > control i/p to each FX separately. Because you'd be > using the mixer out you wouldn't need any active electronics > to get a high quality result. > > Andy Butler > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Apr 18 10:44:11 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA04256; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 10:44:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 10:44:11 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000418143730.98478.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [165.227.129.21] From: "David Potter" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Re : Mede Mede Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 07:37:30 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"xVO622.0._r.DD7_u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13585 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi Larry, sorry for the delay. Others have been checking out the DJRND2. If Emmanuel OK's it I will send you the DJRND2. He is on the list and will see this message. Om and Out Papa DAVe >From: "Larry Tremblay" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >To: >Subject: Re: Re : Mede Mede >Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 21:49:49 -0400 > >David, >I'd be interested in giving the DJRND2 a workout and give a >comprehensive review of it's capabilities. > >I do a lot of musique concrete/kulture jammin audio 'art' >and think the DJRND2 is right up my alley. > >And I agree to return the device to Emmanuel in France. > >Thanks, >- Larry T >----- Original Message ----- >From: "David Potter" >To: >Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2000 2:58 PM >Subject: Re: Re : Mede Mede > > > > Below is an explaination of why I didn't get back about the DJRND2. A > > vocalist is coming over today to test of this looper. It is for a DJ >set > > up. A vocalist with his hands free could have a ball. I do toning and > > Oming and vocal sound sculpture and this is great for it. The sound >quality > > is great. Emmanuel is into letting some one else try it out. Does >anyone > > know a DJ list that I could email to? I have an EDP, 2 jamman, a > > boomerang, DL4, an MPX 1 amongst other stuff as well so I will pass on >this > > looper for now. Miko's description of this looper was a good one for >most > > of us that use out hands on instruments. With a few inovations and a > > control pedal we would be all over it. Let me know if you want to try >it > > out. The condition is sending it back to Perille in France. Om and Out > > Papa Dave > > > > >From: PERILLE > > >Reply-To: perille@club-internet.fr > > >To: papadave55@hotmail.com > > >Subject: Re : Mede Mede > > >Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 17:46:29 +0200 > > > > > > > Hi Emmanuel, Sorry but I've been out of town. Miko came last Fri. >We > > >love > > > > the looper but as you said it is probably for a DJ guy. My son >Jeremy > > >came > > > > back from his travel through India, Tailand, Laos,Indonesia,Bali and > > > > Australia. H was gone a year and a half. We were spending time > > >together at > > > > hot springs mineral bathes at Harbin Hot Springs... Tres magnific. >I'll > > > > send the looper back or make it available to any one else that you > > >decide > > > > may be able to work it in to their rig. It just wasn't usable >because >I > > >am > > > > playing the guitar. > > > > Let me know what you want me to do. Om and Out Papa Dave > > > > > > > > > >Hi Papa Dave, > > > > > >If you eventually know some one else who could be interested in using >it > > >as a homestudio, please let him play with it. Sound engineers ? pros ? > > > > > >You can keep it for a few days longer before sending it back home if >you > > >feel some next opportunities. > > > > > >Thanks > > > > > >Emmanuel > > > > > >P.S did you checked out the polyphony audio quality for Larry Tremblay >? > > > > ______________________________________________________ > > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > > > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Apr 18 11:59:12 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA13462; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 11:59:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 11:59:12 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: panix3.panix.com: tonobung owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 11:28:19 -0400 (EDT) From: "r. dennis" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: seattle/oly show assist? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"Vif1a3.0.qL2.Vy7_u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13587 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com hey kevin thanks very much for the assistance. tuesdays are tough anywhere in clubland, i'm not really expecting much this time out - i'd just always rather play than not-play. dear loopers-delight: pardon my bandwidth - i'm using the "reply-to?" option (kevin, i assume that's what you preferred) thanks to everyone who has kindly weighed in w/ advice, please keep those cards and letters coming - if i luck into a gig, will let yall know when i post complete west coast itin. bye rbrt On Tue, 18 Apr 2000, Unit Circle Media wrote: > > Robert- why don't you try COLOURBOX if it's still there in Pioneer > > Square. They were good to me when I was touring. > > > The Colourbox is gone. Robert, I've forwarded your mail to some friends > who gig more often than I do, hopefully, you should get a nibble. Tuesday > is a very unfortunate night to play this kind of music in Seattle. Your > best bet may be the Rainbow, but I don't have contact info, sorry. > > Kevin > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Apr 18 11:50:43 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA12176; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 11:50:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 11:50:43 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 08:45:02 -0700 From: "Mike Biffle" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, Kuehnle@aol.com Subject: Re: Live horn looping Resent-Message-ID: <"bNTAr.0.is2.6D8_u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13589 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >Dave Onnen wrote: >> The thing I like about these is that it lets you sample something, and then tweak the delay time to raise or lower the pitch with no glitches. Does anyone know of any other delay units that will allow you to do this? The Boss GT-5 is a monster for this sort of delay time tweaking... I have several patches with different combinations of regen - delay time parameters. The built in expression pedal allows you to scale time and regen in very precise ways. Great fun! -Miko From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Apr 18 11:56:26 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA12944; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 11:56:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 11:56:26 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38FC7DEA.5B4A@club-internet.fr> Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 17:23:22 +0200 From: PERILLE Reply-To: perille@club-internet.fr X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 [fr]C-CLUB (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re : Mede mede Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"NBKFc.0.t92.8s7_u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13586 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > Hi Larry, sorry for the delay. Others have been checking out the DJRND2. > If Emmanuel OK's it I will send you the DJRND2. He is on the list and will > see this message. Om and Out Papa DAVe Ok Papa Dave Emmanuel From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Apr 18 11:53:18 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA12438; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 11:53:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 11:53:18 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 08:29:08 -0700 From: "Mike Biffle" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, artmusic@gte.net Subject: Re: RE: EDP Power-on problem Resent-Message-ID: <"j8XDl.0.OO2.sz7_u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13588 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I had this sort of intermittent problem when I first received my EDP... It finally died and did the "lights out" thing. It turned out to be the system clock dying. I was lucky to have it repaired *just* before the Obie - Trace Elliot changeover. Whew... still a little nervous about it happening again. Good luck! -m >>> "future perfect" 04/17 12:04 PM >>> Yes, this has happened to me- if I turn it off, and back on in a minute it works- go figure. Dave Eichenberger- guitars.loops.devices http://home1.gte.net/artmusic/dave > > Arrrgh! One of my EDP's appeared to have died on me: it won't power up -- > no lights, nothing! It is as if it wasn't even plugged in (but it is, of > course). Anyone else ever have this problem? I am figuring it > could be a > bad power cord jack, power switch, or power transformer......any idas > and/or recommendations of repair shops would be greatly appreciated. > > Thanks, > Chris > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Apr 18 11:58:43 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA13383; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 11:58:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 11:58:43 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 08:51:11 -0700 From: "Mike Biffle" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, SoundFNR@aol.com Subject: Re: R: Live horn looping Resent-Message-ID: <"_EPhH1.0.A03.VI8_u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13590 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Well... if we're getting into "Ultimate Mixer" territory here... the Allen and Heath Wizard model... (don't know the exact numbers at the moment) have 6!!! aux sends, with two post fader sends, two pre-fader sends and two configurable sends... Also dsp effects onboard. This baby goes for about $1100 US buckolas, but looks to be really versatile for us looper types... The reports are that it's a great SOUNDING mixer as well... Best, -Miko >>> 04/18 5:33 AM >>> > > This brings me to my actual question. I have been getting into running my > > effects in parallel instead of all in line like I used to. Does anyone > > know of a good way to split a signal from an instrument into many lines > > (6?) to run parallel effects, which then get input into the trusty Mackie > > 1202 and mixed live? I am also interested in being able to mute the imput > > to certain lines so that the existing loops do not get messed up. the ultimate solution would be a mixer with enough outputs to cover your requirements (FX sends or Group Outs) Otherwise you could run a number of FX from each Aux out of your mixer, which would be much better than a passive split before the mixer. how about putting 6 pots (100K log?) in a box so you could control i/p to each FX separately. Because you'd be using the mixer out you wouldn't need any active electronics to get a high quality result. Andy Butler From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Apr 18 13:28:51 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA24743; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 13:28:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 13:28:51 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: become2@fast.net Message-ID: <006c01bfa957$4f6dad60$16125cd1@become> To: References: Subject: R: EDP Power-on problem, new unit Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 11:07:39 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: <"goSIh2.0.w65.5H9_u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13591 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com My new new edp (dated 03/03/00!) has this intermittent power-on problem--the lights flash, then go dark, though the input led will light if I feed it something. But I'm much too happy playing with it to send it away at the moment, as it seems to fire up properly after a couple of tries. Is it likely to get worse? Also, sometimes the feedback control just won't go to 100%--the loop gradually fades even though it's all the way to the right. Restarting the machine seems to solve the problem, but that's obviously not a great solution. Is there a quick fix? > there was a batch of units that went out a year or so ago where I think > some of them had this problem. It took a while to figure out why, but it is > understood now. It's a pretty easy repair. If it's bugging you, contact > Shane Radtke at Gibson, he should be able to take care of it. > (sradtke@gibson.com, 1-800-544-2766 x206 or (847) 741-7315 x206.) From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Apr 18 13:29:25 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA24823; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 13:29:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 13:29:25 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: Subject: RE: EDP Power-on problem Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 10:23:51 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 In-Reply-To: <6d.2ce5f6f.262d34a4@aol.com> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <"m0cnt3.0.En5.md9_u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13592 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >i've been on the alto waiting list for over a year and today i received my >edp! >so i plug the power cord in and the lights are glowing....i was so >excited!!!!!!! >i go to plug a cord into the input jack and the input light lights >up.......then..........the thing dies on me!!!!!!!! >arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgggggggggggggg!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! >seems i'm not the only one >brian >electric bird noise Mine blew up too last night after a few minutes of use too, only in a potentially less quick fixable manner; I hope it was your fuse. Kim graciously pointed me in the direction of Gibson's repair shop already. I would assume it's still under warranty :> (Now the race to be first to get an order in for an EDP is over, it's time to start the race to get it in the shop first :>) Mine works fine for a few minutes, then something inside reaches it's critical boiling point and start spewing digital distortion. A cooling off period is then in order. I think someone else on the list had mentioned having problems like this. Anyone? The distortion doesn't seem to be something overloading as much as it is noise, though if you listen very carefuly, you can sometimes hear the semblance of the original signal in the background. Could it be the memory going caput? That would make me very happy since I intend to pull it out anyway. Hmm... I did get to play around with it, for a few minutes at a time, and it is the wondrous beast I've been waiting for. bIz From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Apr 18 14:04:11 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA29698; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 14:04:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 14:04:11 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38FCA2EA.953952E0@pacific.net> Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 11:01:14 -0700 From: John Mcleod X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: loopers delight Subject: MPX-100 looping Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"RLLCR1.0.P37.O9A_u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13594 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi : I'm relativly new to this group, but with all the talk of esoteric boxes such as the EDP and the like, I wonder how many of you have used the MPX-100 as a looper ? I didn't realize that this could be done until recently, and with an expression pedal controlling the feedback and a footswitch controlling the delay, you can have all sorts of fun on a budget. Set the unit on infinite delay (FX 15). With the adjust (pedal) fully on, you get an infinite repeat (as far as I can see after 30mins). Layering can be done by backing off the pedal a little, play, then return to infinite repeat. Cheap looping fun... John From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Apr 18 14:01:42 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA29339; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 14:01:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 14:01:42 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 12:55:44 -0500 (CDT) From: Dave Onnen X-Sender: skyeklad@verdi.siteprotect.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: various Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"62G_B.0.L07.B7A_u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13593 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com First I would like to say thanks for all the helpful information that this list provides! this is robert of tono-bungay. i'm looking to set up a gig for my solo/improv/uglient side project called anti:clockwise in seattle or olympia on tuesday night may 23. I would suggest checking out the Tentacle Calendar at: http://www.tentacle.org/calendar.html This should give you some ideas for places to play. It is also a wonderful resource in general. My trusty DOD DFX 94 can do that. Of course it maxes out at 4 seconds, doesn't give you more than about 10 layers, and DOD hasn't made it for at least 3 years. But if you see one on ebay, don't hesitate (and don't pay more than $100). Cool, thanks. Didn't they also make a DFX 98 at one point with double the delay time? The Boss DM-2 is discontinued but it worked like this. Of course, the Line 6 DL-4 has a DM-2 model! Line 6 calls it "Analog Echo" I believe. Plus, it works in stereo... Thanks, yeah the DL-4 will be my next purchase! hello dave, i don't have a direct answer to your questions other than to recommend the mo-fx rack from electrix. from what you're describing, this would seem to be more or less suited to your setup. I will definately have to check this out. I have tried their other effects and have found them to be a bit Fisher-Price. This one looks very interesting however. Ok I'll shut up now... ___________________________________________________________ Dave Onnen dave@skyeklad.com ___________________________________________________________ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Apr 18 14:44:14 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA02682; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 14:44:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 14:44:14 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000418110025.00902100@pop3.argotech.net> X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 11:00:25 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Rich Subject: Re: R: EDP Power-on problem, new unit In-Reply-To: <006c01bfa957$4f6dad60$16125cd1@become> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"HkyKA.0.8c7._MA_u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13595 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I was forced to cancel my order with Alto on the new EDP's, but this is wierd that brand new units are having problems like this. Wasn't one of the reasons for the most recent delays in shipping these units was that Trace Elliot was doing extensive testing to assure everyone that these new units were up to snuff? I envy everyone that is going to receive their new babies, but maybe i might be at an advantage by waiting for the next batch... anybody got any info on what's going on? rich At 11:07 AM 4/18/00 -0400, you wrote: >My new new edp (dated 03/03/00!) has this intermittent power-on problem--the >lights flash, then go dark, though the input led will light if I feed it >something. But >I'm much too happy playing with it to send it away at the moment, as it >seems to >fire up properly after a couple of tries. Is it likely to get worse? > >Also, sometimes the feedback control just won't go to 100%--the loop >gradually fades even though it's all the way to the right. Restarting the >machine seems to solve the problem, but that's obviously not a great >solution. Is there a quick >fix? > >> there was a batch of units that went out a year or so ago where I think >> some of them had this problem. It took a while to figure out why, but it >is >> understood now. It's a pretty easy repair. If it's bugging you, contact >> Shane Radtke at Gibson, he should be able to take care of it. >> (sradtke@gibson.com, 1-800-544-2766 x206 or (847) 741-7315 x206.) > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Apr 18 18:39:35 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA28586; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 18:39:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 18:39:35 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000418183203.007bd300@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 18:32:03 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Frisell recommendations In-Reply-To: <90.1ecdc86.2606f0b9@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"IZW_-1.0.Ap6.X7E_u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13596 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com OK, I'll confess: I've never listened to Bill Frisell. But I'd like to remedy that; any recommendations? (I'd like to start with an album that showcases looping content and improvisation...) Tim From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Apr 18 19:11:44 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA32456; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 19:11:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 19:11:44 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <003601bfa989$93d421f0$48310140@concentric.net> From: "Larry Tremblay" To: , References: <38FC7DEA.5B4A@club-internet.fr> Subject: Re: Mede mede Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 18:58:12 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"HfIvl2.0.MR7.IUE_u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13598 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi Emmanuel, I'd appreciate some time with your machine. Thanks, - Larry T ----- Original Message ----- From: "PERILLE" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2000 11:23 AM Subject: Re : Mede mede > > Hi Larry, sorry for the delay. Others have been checking out the DJRND2. > > If Emmanuel OK's it I will send you the DJRND2. He is on the list and will > > see this message. Om and Out Papa DAVe > > Ok Papa Dave > > Emmanuel > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Apr 18 19:18:08 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA00610; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 19:18:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 19:18:08 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 15:45:50 -0700 From: "Mike Biffle" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, tcn62@ici.net Subject: Re: Frisell recommendations Resent-Message-ID: <"dhXje2.0.bF7.cNE_u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13597 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Frissell mostly pops loops out as intros, outros or segues... He rarely loops large segments of songlike structure... One fave rave of mine is "Where In The World"... Unsung Heroes is absolutey amazing improvisation. Most of the improvisation is over structured forms though... no free-improv. Some really beautiful Terje Rypdal like long atmospheric pieces on there as well... -Miko >>> Tim Nelson 04/18 3:33 PM >>> OK, I'll confess: I've never listened to Bill Frisell. But I'd like to remedy that; any recommendations? (I'd like to start with an album that showcases looping content and improvisation...) Tim From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Apr 18 21:18:59 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA11769; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 21:18:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 21:18:59 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38FD089C.F5AE7593@home.com> Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 18:15:15 -0700 From: cooney Organization: @Home Network X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61C-CCK-MCD AtHome0407 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: EDP Power-on problem, new unit References: <006c01bfa957$4f6dad60$16125cd1@become> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"tAcal3.0.ze2.xWG_u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13599 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com We hate being a pioneer for Gibson. The new EDP won't take more then a couple of turn ons and offs before blowing a fuse. Grrrrrrrrrrr. Also, they did make it uglier and it still has the lousy manual. On the plus side, the new big rubber knobs are an improvement. Best, The Roctologists From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Apr 18 22:29:31 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA18924; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 22:29:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 22:29:31 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <001301bfa9a4$e444ad60$a4c918d0@ispchannel.com> Reply-To: "Timothy" From: "Timothy" To: References: <006c01bfa957$4f6dad60$16125cd1@become> <38FD089C.F5AE7593@home.com> Subject: Sequencer question Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 21:13:37 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"EciHL.0.WB4.iNH_u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13600 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I think I need a MIDI sequencer: I think that's what they call them. What I need is a machine to feed MIDI signals to these things concurrently: a drum sampler, two EDPs, a MIDI channel switcher, and two MIDI-controlled effects units (a Roland VG8 and I'm researching the second one). It would have to be able to store enough data to send an entire rhythm score to the drum sampler: the looping, channel, and effects signals would be relatively minor. Is that what a sequencer does? If not, what do I need? And what's the price range? I suppose I could do it with my laptop computer and some of the software I have but that seems a little too precarious for live performance, what with people throwing beer cans and other liquid-bearing objects at me trying to get me and all my loser equipment off the stage. However, it'd be real nice to be able to program all the changes on my desktop computer, then download that data to the sequencer. Thanks in advance, Tim From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 19 00:30:30 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA00910; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 00:30:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 00:30:30 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Kriist@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 00:13:12 EDT Subject: LDCD1?!? To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 100 Resent-Message-ID: <"UKQKE.0.YF7.y9J_u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13601 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com i couldve sworn i ordered this cd quite a while ago(i mailed an order in) i took a look on the help wanted page but couldnt find an email address does anybody have contact info for them? i want to find out if they got my order(i could swear i ordered it(ive been ordering alot of stuff lately)) are they normally slow in getting the cds out to people? thanks rodrigo From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 19 03:50:11 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA19442; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 03:50:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 03:50:11 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 00:23:13 -0700 Subject: Re: Sequencer question From: Andrew Pask To: Timothy Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001301bfa9a4$e444ad60$a4c918d0@ispchannel.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"DfQdy2.0.HF4.9uL_u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13602 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > I suppose I could do it with my laptop computer and some of the > software I have but that seems a little too precarious for live performance, > what with people throwing beer cans and other liquid-bearing objects at me > trying to get me and all my loser equipment off the stage. Ah, so you're a performing musician ;) What sort of laptop do you have? Do you know how to connect a MIDI patchbay to it? A sequencer will certainly do what you want, send all the sys ex messages and do your drum parts etc.You'll probably even be able to get a free one off the net, I think some versions of Cakewalk are free (PC).Just do a search for them.Whatever you do, you'll probably end up using the same machine to write the sequence and play it, that way you'll know it works, and you get to fine tune your MIDI rig (i.e. find out what happens when it all blows up in your face). Good luck. Andrew From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 19 06:12:43 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA30722; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 06:12:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 06:12:43 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: PJBMHB@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 06:09:07 EDT Subject: Re: Frisell recommendations To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 100 Resent-Message-ID: <"s1_6q3.0.yO7.dNO_u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13604 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com the live cd has lots of whacky loops as does both buster keaton soundtracks. =-) PJ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 19 06:10:44 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA30419; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 06:10:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 06:10:44 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: PJBMHB@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 06:08:01 EDT Subject: Re: MPX-100 looping To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 100 Resent-Message-ID: <"bwCTa.0.FN7.CMO_u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13603 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com i use this very patch for little loops. fun, fun, fun. this box is awesome. great sound and very affordable. =-) PJ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 19 08:55:57 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA12313; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 08:55:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 08:55:57 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 08:52:01 EDT Subject: Re: R: Live horn looping To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 32 Resent-Message-ID: <"EAoVy3.0.uv2.PmQ_u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13606 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 18/04/00 16:58:53 GMT Daylight Time, mbiffle@svg.com writes: > Well... if we're getting into "Ultimate Mixer" territory here... the > Allen and Heath Wizard model... (don't know the exact numbers at the > moment) have 6!!! aux sends, with two post fader sends, two pre-fader > sends and two configurable sends... Also dsp effects onboard. This > baby goes for about $1100 US buckolas, but looks to be really > versatile for us looper types... The reports are that it's a great > SOUNDING mixer as well... Or the Behringer MX2642 6 Aux Sends , also 4 group outs which I use as stereo FX sends +Direct outs on 8 of the inputs . getting cheaper all the time I originally got this for recording, somehow it's ended up on top of my FX rack. Allows for very complex processing. Andy Butler From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 19 09:09:10 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA14082; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 09:09:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 09:09:10 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 08:52:02 EDT Subject: Re: MPX-100 looping To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 32 Resent-Message-ID: <"BINEL.0.Tv2.MmQ_u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13605 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 18/04/00 19:03:57 GMT Daylight Time, jmcleod@pacific.net writes: > I wonder how many of you have used > the MPX-100 as a looper ? me too. It also MIDI syncs to the jamman (etc?), although I've found the loop eventually degrades rather nastily when used like this. Current fave is Delay,Echo 8 with longest delay time (not that easy to get,but can be saved) and 'adjust' full clockwise for long regen. Andy Butler From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 19 09:38:59 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA16943; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 09:38:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 09:38:59 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <01ae01bfa9ff$1f7f6320$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: "Timothy" Subject: Re: Sequencer question Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 07:59:39 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"XZO7u2.0.fH3.KyQ_u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13607 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Slightly OT: What kind of MIDI channel switcher are you using? Dennis Leas ----------------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 19 09:43:45 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA17486; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 09:43:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 09:43:45 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: KRosser414@aol.com Message-ID: <4d.30a6164.262f112b@aol.com> Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 09:39:55 EDT Subject: Re: Frisell recommendations To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 100 Resent-Message-ID: <"jqS1K.0.1C4.FTR_u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13608 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 4/19/00 3:30:48 AM Pacific Daylight Time, Loopers-Delight-d-request@annihilist.com writes: << OK, I'll confess: I've never listened to Bill Frisell. But I'd like to remedy that; any recommendations? (I'd like to start with an album that showcases looping content and improvisation...) >> Frisell is a great person to listen to to hear someone drop loops in and out of real-time pieces in a totally organic way. "Live", as someone mentioned, has some great bits, as does Power Tools' "Strange Meeting". But, for looping content I couldn't recommend anything more highly than his brand new "Ghost Town", a solo-with overdubs record that is probably his most loop-heavy record to date. Ken R From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 19 10:09:38 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA20380; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 10:09:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 10:09:38 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38FE35CB.EB6ED503@vtx.ch> Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 15:40:11 -0700 From: Claude voit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Timothy Subject: Re: Sequencer question References: <006c01bfa957$4f6dad60$16125cd1@become> <38FD089C.F5AE7593@home.com> <001301bfa9a4$e444ad60$a4c918d0@ispchannel.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"5COO12.0.VY4.wdR_u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13609 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Timothy wrote: > > I think I need a MIDI sequencer: I think that's what they call them. What I > need is a machine to feed MIDI signals to these things concurrently: a drum > sampler, two EDPs, a MIDI channel switcher, and two MIDI-controlled effects > units (a Roland VG8 and I'm researching the second one). It would have to be > able to store enough data to send an entire rhythm score to the drum sampler: > the looping, channel, and effects signals would be relatively minor. > > Is that what a sequencer does? If not, what do I need? And what's the price > range? I suppose I could do it with my laptop computer and some of the > software I have but that seems a little too precarious for live performance, > what with people throwing beer cans and other liquid-bearing objects at me > trying to get me and all my loser equipment off the stage. > > However, it'd be real nice to be able to program all the changes on my desktop > computer, then download that data to the sequencer. > > Thanks in advance, > Tim Timothy I'm using the yamaha rm1x with a lot of joy .this is a pattern based seq with maximum live tweakability (pattern switch, track mutes ) so its very well suited for our cyclic needs Sorry I have no time to make you a review but here is a link to all the rm1x stuff on the net http://www.markarber.freeserve.co.uk/menu.htm Come back after that and be my guest for some questions Claude From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 19 10:40:45 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA24074; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 10:40:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 10:40:45 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38FDC3FA.A03D7494@voicenet.com> Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 10:34:34 -0400 From: Legion X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, "analogue@hyperreal.org" Subject: Negativland on tour... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"vO6H6.0.Dl5.rHS_u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13610 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I saw Negativland's current True/False tour last night at the TLA in Philadelphia. All I can say is if anyone has *ever* had an interest in Negativland, looping, or audio and video manipulation you will hate yourself if you do not see this show. There was a team of about 8-10 members either running things offstage or on. they used multiple film projectors, a bank of four radio carts, dual cd players (playing custom sounds), a turntable (processed at times), and sprinkled guitar, bass, thermin, synths, and more over the top. The stage setup had a TV monitor for an extended talking head bit (which was 100% coordinated by the band onstange in realtime maniacally flipping video and audio loops as the video projection told the story). The background was a huge white screen which they used for projecting all the stage video as well as three machines from the audience. The did a bit of old stuff (the encore was a very clever and fun (and copyright free!) rendition of their most infamous single), and had a ton of new stuff broken down into two complete sets for a total of a 2.5 hour showtime. I have been doing tape manipulation and found/noise collage stuff for years and have never seen a group work so hard in such a coordinated manner in my life. The sheer magnitude and set up of this show is only matched by the fact that they are using archaic technology along with bits and pieces of new stuff to make their point even more entertaining and true. The final loop segment in set two was an achingly beautiful reminder of how an artist can capitalize on old technology and turn it into something unique. Did I mention they had a puppet show and chopped up the Sound of Music into the most perverse song Julie Andrews never uttered? Trust me, if you've ever been the least bit curious of what multimedia manipulation can be in it's rawest and more polished form you do*not* want to miss this show. Forget the hype of them as media masters, this show is fun as hell on top of everything else. Full info at: http://www.negativland.com/ This next part of the tour is not completely solid yet, but will be starting it on the 3rd of May. Wed. May 03 '00 --- NYC --- Irving Plaza Thu. May 04 '00 --- Washington DC --- 9:30 Club Fri. May 05 '00 --- Poughkeepsie, NY --- Bard College : Multipurpose Room Sat. May 06 '00 --- Boston --- Copley Theater Mon. May 08 '00 --- Chapel Hill, NC --- Carrboro Arts Center Wed. May 10 '00 --- Atlanta --- Variety Playhouse Fri. May 12 '00 --- Clearwater, FL --- Club More Sun. May 14 '00 --- New Orleans --- Howlin' Wolf Mon. May 15 '00 --- Houston --- Rice University: Hammond Hall Tue. May 16 '00 --- Austin --- Stubb's BBQ Thu. May 18 '00 --- Tulsa --- The Other Side Sat. May 20 '00 --- Denver --- Bluebird May '00 --- San Diego --- TBA Wed. May 24 '00 --- Los Angeles --- El Rey Sat. May 27 '00 --- San Francisco --- Palace of Fine Arts May '00 --- Palo Alto --- TBA ----------------------------------------------------------------------- HELP WANTED PRODUCTIONS - Http://www.voicenet.com/~legion "Bringing you the best in Organic Electronic music since we started..." Home of the Unusual Instrument and Recording Gallery with pictures and info of Tube recorders, Omnichords, weird guitars, Casios, and more. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 19 10:59:07 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA26469; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 10:59:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 10:59:07 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Crossedout@aol.com Message-ID: <68.2b7a963.262f1f5f@aol.com> Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 10:40:31 EDT Subject: Re: Sequencer question To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 100 Resent-Message-ID: <"Fxm4r.0.xu5.5MS_u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13611 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 4/18/00 9:29:38 PM Central Daylight Time, wanderlost@crosswinds.net writes: << I suppose I could do it with my laptop computer and some of the software I have but that seems a little too precarious for live performance, >> scavenge around. I just got a 486/33 laptop with 16Mb RAM for free, I just had to find a power suppy ($10) and a mouse ($5) for it. If it gets roached, I'm out $15. And it's powerful enough to run a sequencer - I happened to have an older copy of Cakewalk that it took just fine, and I have a MOTU 2in/2out Midi box that will hook to the parallel port (which I already had, but that was only $50), so I'm set as far as a portable sequencer. good luck. - Crossedout From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 19 11:26:44 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA29787; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 11:26:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 11:26:44 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <003801bfaa11$4adf7e30$40310140@concentric.net> From: "Larry Tremblay" To: "Legion" , , References: <38FDC3FA.A03D7494@voicenet.com> Subject: Re: [AH] Negativland on tour... Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 11:09:41 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"WNyZp3.0.6i6.EjS_u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13612 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thanks Legion. I love these guys too and have always wanted to see them perform their mayhem. It was NegativeLand that got me back into exploring tape manipulation and collage/plunderphonics. They're masters of their medium (and funny f*ckers, too :) I'll check 'em out when they come to Chapel Hill, NC (that's as close as they get to Charlotte, I guess). - Larry T ----- Original Message ----- From: "Legion" To: ; Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2000 10:34 AM Subject: [AH] Negativland on tour... > I saw Negativland's current True/False tour last night at the TLA in > Philadelphia. All I can say is if anyone has *ever* had an interest in > Negativland, looping, or audio and video manipulation you will hate > yourself if you do not see this show. > > There was a team of about 8-10 members either running things offstage or > on. they used multiple film projectors, a bank of four radio carts, dual > cd players (playing custom sounds), a turntable (processed at times), > and sprinkled guitar, bass, thermin, synths, and more over the top. > > The stage setup had a TV monitor for an extended talking head bit (which > was 100% coordinated by the band onstange in realtime maniacally > flipping video and audio loops as the video projection told the story). > The background was a huge white screen which they used for projecting > all the stage video as well as three machines from the audience. > > The did a bit of old stuff (the encore was a very clever and fun (and > copyright free!) rendition of their most infamous single), and had a ton > of new stuff broken down into two complete sets for a total of a 2.5 > hour showtime. > > I have been doing tape manipulation and found/noise collage stuff for > years and have never seen a group work so hard in such a coordinated > manner in my life. The sheer magnitude and set up of this show is only > matched by the fact that they are using archaic technology along with > bits and pieces of new stuff to make their point even more entertaining > and true. The final loop segment in set two was an achingly beautiful > reminder of how an artist can capitalize on old technology and turn it > into something unique. > > Did I mention they had a puppet show and chopped up the Sound of Music > into the most perverse song Julie Andrews never uttered? > > Trust me, if you've ever been the least bit curious of what multimedia > manipulation can be in it's rawest and more polished form you do*not* > want to miss this show. Forget the hype of them as media masters, this > show is fun as hell on top of everything else. > > Full info at: http://www.negativland.com/ > > This next part of the tour is not completely solid yet, but will be > starting it on the 3rd of May. > > Wed. May 03 '00 --- NYC --- Irving Plaza > Thu. May 04 '00 --- Washington DC --- 9:30 Club > Fri. May 05 '00 --- Poughkeepsie, NY --- Bard College : Multipurpose > Room > Sat. May 06 '00 --- Boston --- Copley Theater > Mon. May 08 '00 --- Chapel Hill, NC --- Carrboro Arts Center > Wed. May 10 '00 --- Atlanta --- Variety Playhouse > Fri. May 12 '00 --- Clearwater, FL --- Club More > Sun. May 14 '00 --- New Orleans --- Howlin' Wolf > Mon. May 15 '00 --- Houston --- Rice University: Hammond Hall > Tue. May 16 '00 --- Austin --- Stubb's BBQ > Thu. May 18 '00 --- Tulsa --- The Other Side > Sat. May 20 '00 --- Denver --- Bluebird > May '00 --- San Diego --- TBA > Wed. May 24 '00 --- Los Angeles --- El Rey > Sat. May 27 '00 --- San Francisco --- Palace of Fine Arts > May '00 --- Palo Alto --- TBA > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > HELP WANTED PRODUCTIONS - Http://www.voicenet.com/~legion > "Bringing you the best in Organic Electronic music since we started..." > > Home of the Unusual Instrument and Recording Gallery with pictures and > info of Tube recorders, Omnichords, weird guitars, Casios, and more. > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 19 11:23:10 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA29454; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 11:23:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 11:23:10 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <003f01bfaa13$25c8cb40$5a05020a@beelzejuice.mecasw.com> Reply-To: "Ken M" From: "Ken Melms" To: Cc: Subject: Re: protective encoding. (AKA The New Digital Realm) Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 11:22:57 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 Resent-Message-ID: <"B2yB61.0.9y6.XuS_u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13613 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com (I thought this germain to the digital realm so I copied the LD list on this reply, hope not too OT) Well, Jeff.. It means setting up a web site, marketing your product - and giving away free samples at a lower sample rate than a CD.. That's a good start... 22k MP3's sound good enough to give people a taste of the music's flavor.. (Think about it - that's radio quality, not CD quality.. People have been taping off the radio since personal recorders came about - did it hinder tapes from being bought?! I argue it advanced their distribution by creating a needy market..) Now, say you sell the CD's (44k) on your site, and stream the 22k MP3's as samples. If you market well you can make a living off of the digital front. It won't stop people from making real MP3's from your CD's, but it will at least give them an avenue to purchase your work. You guys (i've been in music 27 years, programming for 20) are just starting to feel the burn that software programmers have been feeling forever. People have been copying and distributing pirated copies of software since it was possible to duplicate. Does this mean that software companies went out of business? No! - it means they had to change their 1:1 product:money ratio mentality. Now companies offer crippled versions of software (IE: lower sample rates) Free trials of their software, that expire (not yet implemented for music). And simply GIVING away the software, (MP3 Shoutcast / RADIO / etc.) knowing full well that 80% of the copies that are on the market are going to be pirated, but the fact that their product is being distributed, talked about, and wanted by those who are in the know means that those who can't/won't copy/steal will get caught up in the frenzy and BUY a copy. These companies SUBSIST on the other 20% of the populace who buy the product, causing income to actually be generated by a pirate distribution methodology. These are the companies that will survive in the future. Nothing is stacked against anybody.. The biggest hurdle in any artistic race is to be the one with the biggest audience, right? The bigger the audience, the bigger the revenue - no matter WHAT.. If you get caught thinking that the only way to survive is to sell each and every CD you press for $10.00, then you've lost the game already. Giving away art is the best way to get it heard. Once you're heard, you're known. Once you're known, you're gigging. Once you're gigging, you're generating REAL revenue based on REAL effort, not a snapshot of art (CD's), which is always pale in comparison to the true stage of the artform. Now imagine that your MP3's are distributed (pirated) across the world, and millions of people (who you think unfortunate because they didn't pay for the initial recording) liked your work. Now some of these people WILL pay to go see your gig. WILL pay to buy your t-shirts.. WILL pay to get a copy of the limited edition release with your signiature, and have a much higher probability of buying your next CD to own a real copy etc etc etc... We can't allow ourselves to be boxed in by the feeding frenzy of the modern capitalist world. We must allow music to flow freely, and as the artist who is creating these ever changing realms of music and altering the mood and minds of the listeners - we must not throw spite at those who can't afford to buy. We must focus on those who CAN. That's just my .02 on the matter.. (please keep the flames private) Ken -----Original Message----- From: Jeff Yost To: Ken M Date: Tuesday, April 18, 2000 8:06 PM Subject: Re: protective encoding... >Hi Ken- > So what does this do to those of us who would like to make a living by >selling our creations via digital media? > > Other people seem to be able to make a living by practicing their >trades, why is it the artistic folks always have so much stacked against >them...? > >jeff > > >Ken Melms wrote: >> >> You can't. >> The fact is - once something is played on a computer, the person playing it >> can simply setup a sound recorder to dump it back to a .wav file, and then >> encode it again to MP3 without the protection blocks. Anything that >> advertises as a "copy protection" scheme for MP3's is preying on the >> uninformed. >> >> Welcome to the powerful world of FREE FLOWING information. People have to >> get over the thought of personal ownership of data, and begin doing the work >> to copyright and legally protect the ideas, not the media it's printed on. >> >> K >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Jeff Yost >> To: jeff_yost@musician.org >> Date: Sunday, April 16, 2000 3:43 PM >> Subject: protective encoding... >> >> >I hope this isn't too off topic, but I am curious if anyone may know the >> >best (and most economical) route to take to get one's MP3s encoded with >> >copy protection. >> > >> >(Please cc me or write my personal e-mail) >> > >> >thank you, >> >jeff yost >> >yostie@ezworks.net >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 19 11:43:10 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA32012; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 11:43:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 11:43:10 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 08:35:51 -0700 From: "Mike Biffle" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, SoundFNR@aol.com Subject: Re: R: Live horn looping Resent-Message-ID: <"nHPk53.0.xZ7.-AT_u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13614 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > Or the Behringer MX2642 > 6 Aux Sends , > also 4 group outs which I use as stereo FX sends > +Direct outs on 8 of the inputs . > getting cheaper all the time > Andy Butler Wow... I'll look into that, cause it will be quite awhile before I can afford the Allen and Heath stuff... -Miko From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 19 12:39:16 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA05672; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 12:39:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 12:39:16 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <38FDC3FA.A03D7494@voicenet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 09:26:39 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: rich Subject: Re: Negativland on tour... Resent-Message-ID: <"mZi9L1.0.Yt.7qT_u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13615 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thanks Legion for the Negativland info. I haven't seen them for about 8 years, but i would have to concur with your sentiments regarding the sheer magnitude of what these guys do. I will definitely try to check out the LA show. I am having trouble remembering the magazine, but the best interview i read was when this mag was interviewing The Edge from U2, during their ZooTV tour, where they were culling, cutting, pasting, and manipulating TV signals during their live show. Edge was going off on how cool it was that they were able to extrapolate raw material from the mass media and use it to their own ends and make something creative out of it. After that, they pressed him about the legal issues with Negativland and the single. Edge kindof had to backpedal real quick, especially when he realized that one of the interviewers was a member of Negativland, and U2/Island had slammed them with a lawsuit for essentially doing the same thing! seeya, rich From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 19 13:05:29 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA09136; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 13:05:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 13:05:29 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <009201bfaa20$9f753fc0$e432dacf@sgoodman> Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: Subject: Re: Negativland on tour... Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 09:59:26 -0700 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"3vS112.0.852.MOU_u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13616 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I believe it was Musician magazine - I remember seeing the same interview. Two takes on U2, if I might... I erased a lot of pieces composed in the early 80s, because they sounded (to me) like someone elses' work. Then I saw U2 making scads of money making music that sounded like someone elses' work. I don't throw away ANYTHING anymore. In the article-in-question, I found a good deal of dark humor in the non-mentioning of the fact that it was ENO that came up with the whole idea with the TV screens/satellite access and all, and Bono who came up with the name for it. Again, credit placed where not deserved. Perhaps a lesson for us as performers, if a cautionary one - make diagrams or some note regarding the idea/composition, even if on a napkin, date it, show it to others, and put it away for safe keeping (or, in this so-called digital age, scan it, but keep the paper). Stephen Goodman EarthLight Productions * http://www.earthlight.net "rich" put forth: > I am having trouble remembering the magazine, but the best interview i read > was when this mag was interviewing The Edge from U2, during their ZooTV > tour, where they were culling, cutting, pasting, and manipulating TV > signals during their live show. Edge was going off on how cool it was that > they were able to extrapolate raw material from the mass media and use it > to their own ends and make something creative out of it. After that, they > pressed him about the legal issues with Negativland and the single. Edge > kindof had to backpedal real quick, especially when he realized that one of > the interviewers was a member of Negativland, and U2/Island had slammed > them with a lawsuit for essentially doing the same thing! > > seeya, > > rich > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 19 13:29:57 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA11588; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 13:29:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 13:29:57 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <001a01bfaa22$fdde7d90$90310140@concentric.net> From: "Larry Tremblay" To: References: Subject: Re: Negativland on tour... Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 13:16:23 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"neReJ.0.FS2.xZU_u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13617 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > I am having trouble remembering the magazine, but the best interview i read > was when this mag was interviewing The Edge from U2, during their ZooTV > tour, where they were culling, cutting, pasting, and manipulating TV > signals during their live show. I think it was an old issue of Mondo 2000. Excellent! - Larry T ----- Original Message ----- From: "rich" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2000 12:26 PM Subject: Re: Negativland on tour... > Thanks Legion for the Negativland info. I haven't seen them for about 8 > years, but i would have to concur with your sentiments regarding the sheer > magnitude of what these guys do. I will definitely try to check out the LA > show. > > I am having trouble remembering the magazine, but the best interview i read > was when this mag was interviewing The Edge from U2, during their ZooTV > tour, where they were culling, cutting, pasting, and manipulating TV > signals during their live show. Edge was going off on how cool it was that > they were able to extrapolate raw material from the mass media and use it > to their own ends and make something creative out of it. After that, they > pressed him about the legal issues with Negativland and the single. Edge > kindof had to backpedal real quick, especially when he realized that one of > the interviewers was a member of Negativland, and U2/Island had slammed > them with a lawsuit for essentially doing the same thing! > > seeya, > > rich > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 19 13:47:13 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA13633; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 13:47:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 13:47:13 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38FDEF13.292303BE@voicenet.com> Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 13:38:27 -0400 From: Legion X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Negativland on tour... References: <009201bfaa20$9f753fc0$e432dacf@sgoodman> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"C2igj3.0.F93.E-U_u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13618 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > > I am having trouble remembering the magazine, but the best interview i read > > was when this mag was interviewing The Edge from U2, during their ZooTV > > tour, where they were culling, cutting, pasting, and manipulating TV The magazine was called Mondo 2000 and indeed the main interviewer was a member of Negatviland. To be fair as I recall "The Edge" agreed with Negativland's viewpoint on the issue, it was Island records who stomped the living f*ck out of the band and SST their label who passed on the penalty. The band has said often they don't have a problem with the band (the Just say Bo-No Tshirt pic was SST's idea) although I'm sure they wished the band would have stepped in and tried to help out a bit with all the posturing of the labels and such. Copies of the article appear in one of their books (either "Fair Use" or "The Numeral U and the Number 2") both of which are semi-entertaining in their own right. And Ok I'll spill the beans, for the encore (after a very involved two and a half hour set) the full band came back and fired up an overhead projector onto the main backdrop screen. On this they placed full text slides of the entire Casey Casem tirade that appeared on the single and the band, it's tech crew, and the entire audience followed the bouncing ball (actually a pen one of the guy's used ) and read the words in unison. It was so simple and yet one of the most hilarious and clever "performances" I've taken part in. Everyone was falling down laughing and losing their place as we all cried out "This guy's from England and who give a s*it" etc. just like Casey. And best of all they couldn't be sued :) For anyone interested the original "U2" single that started the whole mess and was banned is now freely available in numerous formats on the web. http://www.negativland.com/teletext2.html I'm still reeling (no pun intended) from the best loop oriented show I've ever seen... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- HELP WANTED PRODUCTIONS - Http://www.voicenet.com/~legion "Bringing you the best in Organic Electronic music since we started..." Home of the Unusual Instrument and Recording Gallery with pictures and info of Tube recorders, Omnichords, weird guitars, Casios, and more. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 19 14:17:51 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA16861; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 14:17:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 14:17:51 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: Subject: New EDP works fine after replacing the memory Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 11:00:05 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <003f01bfaa13$25c8cb40$5a05020a@beelzejuice.mecasw.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <"jRRTi.0.1i3.-FV_u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13619 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hey guys! I switched out the memory in my new EDP and it looped fine all night. Wohoo! I switched the old memory back in (which was obviously used memory - the writing had faded out on the rightmost chip of one card, where one's thumb would go to pull it out, and they had some gooey resiny stuff sticking to them, like they were lying around when someone was putting together the circuitboard) and it started crapping out within seconds. Excellent!! I was going to dump the old stuff anyway. Then I left it looping continously for about four hours while I did other stuff, and it didn't start farting, so I'm pretty sure the memory was bad. So, as far as I have heard, the only problems with the units have been fuses and, in my case memory. I'll wager that someone at Trace Elliot put the wrong memory in the unit while they were testing it/putting it together. I'm off to call Shane Radtke To tell him that it's working now. Wohoo! bIz From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 19 15:24:36 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA24565; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 15:24:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 15:24:36 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <023101bfaa31$5392c3f0$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: Subject: Re: New EDP works fine after replacing the memory Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 13:59:01 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"zjRBq1.0.0Y5.LDW_u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13620 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Good! That reminds me...I've got the original memory from my two EDPs, if any of you new owners want it, let me know. It's been sitting around since I upgraded. (Maybe I should send it to Trace Elliot?) Dennis Leas ----------------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 19 16:29:21 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA30732; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 16:29:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 16:29:21 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <002e01bfaa4a$e8d15d00$9089cfa9@dave> From: "Allied" To: References: <200004191029.GAA32257@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Subject: remove Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 15:02:06 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Resent-Message-ID: <"T7RJL.0.Cu6.L3X_u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13621 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Chris Baime, MIS Allied Utility Equipment, Inc. www.execpc.com/~allied ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2000 3:29 AM Subject: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V00 #116 From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 19 18:12:07 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA08906; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 18:12:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 18:12:07 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <006801bfaa3d$e60557a0$40ffdcd1@hideo> From: "hideo" To: References: <00a101bfa670$fb233600$feab5cd1@-> Subject: Re: REMOVE : EMUSIC Playlist Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 15:13:19 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <"mgLmg2.0.kR7.WPX_u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13622 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I know how you can make it up to all those with metered e-mail and Web . . . not to mention those of us who drool over every list you dangle in front of us . . . stream that baby .. . or shoutcast it . . . whatever . . . if some of you techies can get Bill started, I'll be planted next to my computor speakers drone on~~~~~~~~~~~~ Tom Lambrecht hideo@concentric.net ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Fox To: Sent: Friday, April 14, 2000 7:24 PM Subject: Re: REMOVE : EMUSIC Playlist > I'm blushing! Thanks for the support. I certainly don't intend to be > obnoxious with my playlists and there are only 52 per year... plus twelve > monthly reports to NAV. ;-) From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 19 18:19:19 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA09382; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 18:19:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 18:19:19 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000419204236.14077.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [204.247.186.99] From: "matt davignon" To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Subject: Negativland/U2 Interview Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 13:42:36 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"pnGMN.0.Ev7.UfX_u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13623 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com There's been a lot of excitement about that Mondo 2000 interview in which Negativland put The Edge of U2 on the spot. The interview can be found on this page: http://www.negativland.com/edge.html Matt Davignon ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 19 19:58:33 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA17839; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 19:58:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 19:58:33 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: alex@cliff.pixar.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20000419204236.14077.qmail@hotmail.com> References: <20000419204236.14077.qmail@hotmail.com> Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 16:26:55 -0700 To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com From: Alex Stahl Subject: Re: Negativland/U2 Interview Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <"4IZCw3.0.Gn3.l3a_u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13624 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com The best part is, it's all a hoax in classic mondo/negativland style. At 1:42 PM -0700 4/19/00, matt davignon wrote: >There's been a lot of excitement about that Mondo 2000 interview in >which Negativland put The Edge of U2 on the spot. > >The interview can be found on this page: > >http://www.negativland.com/edge.html > > >Matt Davignon >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 19 20:59:26 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA23437; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 20:59:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 20:59:26 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: adams.patriot.net: dusty owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 20:41:07 -0400 (EDT) From: ";-Peter ;-Prisekin aka ;-Dusty ;-Chalk" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Negativland/U2 Interview In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"6hoWs1.0.iL5.c8b_u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13625 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Well, yes, but...that really happened. -- I remain, :-Peter aka :-Dusty :-Chalk On Wed, 19 Apr 2000, Alex Stahl wrote: > The best part is, it's all a hoax in classic mondo/negativland style. > > At 1:42 PM -0700 4/19/00, matt davignon wrote: > >There's been a lot of excitement about that Mondo 2000 interview in > >which Negativland put The Edge of U2 on the spot. > > > >The interview can be found on this page: > > > >http://www.negativland.com/edge.html From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 19 21:54:26 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA27838; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 21:54:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 21:54:26 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Jhsidlo@aol.com Message-ID: <74.2e09925.262fbbeb@aol.com> Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 21:48:27 EDT Subject: Bill Frisell To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Mac - Post-GM sub 65 Resent-Message-ID: <"gUHn23.0.qi6.Q8c_u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13626 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com How is his newest solo album sound? James From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 19 22:18:00 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA30073; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 22:18:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 22:18:00 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <003c01bfaa6c$8f6fc540$3e310140@concentric.net> From: "Larry Tremblay" To: References: <20000419204236.14077.qmail@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: Negativland/U2 Interview Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 22:03:01 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"E1b7D.0.hu6.-Hc_u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13627 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Yep... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alex Stahl" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2000 7:26 PM Subject: Re: Negativland/U2 Interview > The best part is, it's all a hoax in classic mondo/negativland style. > > > > > At 1:42 PM -0700 4/19/00, matt davignon wrote: > >There's been a lot of excitement about that Mondo 2000 interview in > >which Negativland put The Edge of U2 on the spot. > > > >The interview can be found on this page: > > > >http://www.negativland.com/edge.html > > > > > >Matt Davignon > >______________________________________________________ > >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 19 22:39:45 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA32036; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 22:39:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 22:39:45 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000419222228.007c1550@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 22:22:28 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Negativland/U2 Interview In-Reply-To: <20000419204236.14077.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"IYKqF1.0.PO7.Vbc_u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13628 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thanks for the link, Matt! I really enjoyed the interview. Tim At 01:42 PM 4/19/00 PDT, you wrote: >http://www.negativland.com/edge.html From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 20 00:15:46 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA08043; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 00:15:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 00:15:46 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: ENAT21213@aol.com Message-ID: <36.4cf0962.262fdc96@aol.com> Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 00:07:50 EDT Subject: Re: New EDP works fine after replacing the memory To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 100 Resent-Message-ID: <"fAGht2.0.Zj1.2Be_u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13629 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 4/19/00 2:17:29 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jonathan@full-moon.com writes: > So, as far as I have heard, the only problems with the units have been > fuses and, in my case memory. first it was the fuse thing for me.......replaced it......turned on fine.......plugged it into an amp and the echoplex lights dim and the the amp went huuuuuuuuuuuummmmmmm......unplug the cord and the echoplex restarts so i called shane and it's off for repairs looks like were the ginnie pigs my question is has anyone received and edp that works 100% out of the box brian ebnoise From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 20 00:43:07 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA13210; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 00:43:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 00:43:07 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <000401bfaa80$b5ee6aa0$a4c918d0@ispchannel.com> Reply-To: "Timothy" From: "Timothy" To: References: <006c01bfa957$4f6dad60$16125cd1@become> <38FD089C.F5AE7593@home.com> <001301bfa9a4$e444ad60$a4c918d0@ispchannel.com> <38FE35CB.EB6ED503@vtx.ch> Subject: Re: Sequencer question Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 17:38:12 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"2yViH.0.jQ2.5Re_u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13630 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com You can store MIDI data and send that data to MIDI devices with this? That brings up another question: I'm confused about units like the RM1x and the Roland 505 Groovebox: they call themselves sequencers, but I thought a sequencer was just a box that holds MIDI data to send to other equipment. The 505 clearly has its own synth unit and bunch of tweaking knobs to adjust the sound. Is it really a sequencer or is sequencing just a small part of what it does? I think I just need a sequencer with none of the other cool things on it. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Claude voit" To: "Timothy" Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2000 5:40 PM Subject: Re: Sequencer question > I'm using the yamaha rm1x with a lot of joy .this is a pattern based seq > with maximum live tweakability (pattern switch, track mutes ) so its > very well suited for our cyclic needs > > Sorry I have no time to make you a review but here is a link > to all the rm1x stuff on the net > > http://www.markarber.freeserve.co.uk/menu.htm > > Come back after that and be my guest for some questions > > Claude > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 20 01:02:11 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA14913; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 01:02:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 01:02:11 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <018401bfaa84$2fe7f940$a5d0aec7@default> From: "Alan Imberg" To: References: <3.0.5.32.20000418183203.007bd300@pop.ici.net> Subject: Re: Frisell recommendations Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 21:52:05 -0700 Organization: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Resent-Message-ID: <"KoRlv1.0.dU3.Rte_u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13631 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com His latest, "Ghost Town" has looping galore. In fact, it is an entirely solo affair (no band). "Nashville" is one of my favorites and has subtle looping in a "rootsy" context. Have a Little Faith has great cover versions though not loop oriented. ----- Original Message ----- From: Tim Nelson To: Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2000 3:32 PM Subject: Frisell recommendations > OK, I'll confess: I've never listened to Bill Frisell. > > But I'd like to remedy that; any recommendations? (I'd like to start with > an album that showcases looping content and improvisation...) > > Tim > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 20 02:49:25 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA24400; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 02:49:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 02:49:25 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <005601bfaa8f$c6cf8fc0$2bc0d6d1@oemcomputer> From: "X-ray" To: Subject: Re: Negativland on tour... Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 01:15:02 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"VEyQF3.0.BJ5.i1g_u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13632 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >non-mentioning of the fact that it was ENO that came up with the >whole idea with the TV screens/satellite access and all, Again, credit >placed where not deserved. Hmmmm. Not sure I agree. U2 has quite often given credit to Eno for the initial concept of that tour (even in the tour program). Certainly the band were the "directors" of the production whereas Eno was the one who wrote the 1st draft of the script (sorry for the analogy). I'm not sure it's fair to suggest that it was Eno's baby and U2 were just along for the ride. >Then I saw U2 making scads of money making music that sounded >like someone elses' work Just out of curiosity, other than the rootsier Joshua Tree/Rattle and Hum period, who do you find them to be imitating??? Again, just curious. MikeH From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 20 10:29:01 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA27697; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 10:29:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 10:29:01 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <001b01bfaad0$59cba120$9eda44d1@gary> From: "Gary Lehmann" To: "Timothy" References: <006c01bfa957$4f6dad60$16125cd1@become> <38FD089C.F5AE7593@home.com> <001301bfa9a4$e444ad60$a4c918d0@ispchannel.com> <38FE35CB.EB6ED503@vtx.ch> <000401bfaa80$b5ee6aa0$a4c918d0@ispchannel.com> Subject: Re: Sequencer question Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 06:57:21 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <"np1wT2.0.l26.Gpm_u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13633 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In my opinion, drum machines were the first popular sequencers, using drum synth audio. So I feel that sequencers are *allowed* to have tone modules. As far as bare bones, the Alesis Datadisk is a sysx storage device which as serves as a sequencer/player--no editing, and no module! There's just a whole lot of options when it comes to electronic equipment these days, and that's just the way I like it! I'm using a laptop with Cakewalk 9--works pretty good. Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: Timothy To: Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2000 3:38 PM Subject: Re: Sequencer question > You can store MIDI data and send that data to MIDI devices with this? That > brings up another question: I'm confused about units like the RM1x and the > Roland 505 Groovebox: they call themselves sequencers, but I thought a > sequencer was just a box that holds MIDI data to send to other equipment. The > 505 clearly has its own synth unit and bunch of tweaking knobs to adjust the > sound. Is it really a sequencer or is sequencing just a small part of what it > does? I think I just need a sequencer with none of the other cool things on > it. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Claude voit" > To: "Timothy" > Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2000 5:40 PM > Subject: Re: Sequencer question > > > I'm using the yamaha rm1x with a lot of joy .this is a pattern based seq > > with maximum live tweakability (pattern switch, track mutes ) so its > > very well suited for our cyclic needs > > > > Sorry I have no time to make you a review but here is a link > > to all the rm1x stuff on the net > > > > http://www.markarber.freeserve.co.uk/menu.htm > > > > Come back after that and be my guest for some questions > > > > Claude > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 20 11:02:53 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA31946; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 11:02:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 11:02:53 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Sender: r_t_cummings@compuserve.com Message-ID: <38FE1B03.F35E09EF@compuserve.com> Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 22:45:55 +0200 From: cummings X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [de] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Timothy Subject: Re: Sequencer question References: <006c01bfa957$4f6dad60$16125cd1@become> <38FD089C.F5AE7593@home.com> <001301bfa9a4$e444ad60$a4c918d0@ispchannel.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"uq2XP3.0.fE7.PVn_u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13634 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com get an akai mpc2000 (discontinued, get used one) and ditch the drum sampler 'cause this will do that for ya 2! rob Timothy schrieb: > > > > I think I need a MIDI sequencer: I think that's what they call them. What I > need is a machine to feed MIDI signals to these things concurrently: a drum > sampler, two EDPs, a MIDI channel switcher, and two MIDI-controlled effects > units (a Roland VG8 and I'm researching the second one). It would have to be > able to store enough data to send an entire rhythm score to the drum sampler: > the looping, channel, and effects signals would be relatively minor. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 20 11:53:49 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA04404; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 11:53:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 11:53:49 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000420152014.14146.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [204.164.62.238] Reply-To: m.lameyer@rcn.com From: "Michael LaMeyer" To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Sequencer question Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 11:20:14 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"aC5RB.0.LQ.F1o_u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13635 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Does anyone have recommendations for a sequencer well suited for looping on the fly? I'd like to be able to easily generate, queue and loop sequenced phrases from sysex. Starting and stopping looped sequences might be fairly straightforward, but idealy I would like to see something operate like an EDP where you can copy an idea to a new 'slot' and overdub, then queue up another to start after the current one is finished, etc. Theoretically I suppose this could be done entirely with sysex and a sequencer that supports sysex control of these parameters, has anyone done this? I might not be up on what's out there, but taking a cursory look around I found mainly software sequencers for composing, and the hardware sequencer/tone generator sort. Fun toys all, but just looking for something more specifically suited for me. Thanks! Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Lehmann" To: "Timothy" Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2000 9:57 AM Subject: Re: Sequencer question >In my opinion, drum machines were the first popular sequencers, using drum >synth audio. So I feel that sequencers are *allowed* to have tone modules. >As far as bare bones, the Alesis Datadisk is a sysx storage device which as >serves as a sequencer/player--no editing, and no module! There's just a >whole lot of options when it comes to electronic equipment these days, and >that's just the way I like it! I'm using a laptop with Cakewalk 9--works >pretty good. >Gary > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Timothy >To: >Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2000 3:38 PM >Subject: Re: Sequencer question > > > > You can store MIDI data and send that data to MIDI devices with this? >That > > brings up another question: I'm confused about units like the RM1x and >the > > Roland 505 Groovebox: they call themselves sequencers, but I thought a > > sequencer was just a box that holds MIDI data to send to other >equipment. >The > > 505 clearly has its own synth unit and bunch of tweaking knobs to adjust >the > > sound. Is it really a sequencer or is sequencing just a small part of >what it > > does? I think I just need a sequencer with none of the other cool >things >on > > it. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Claude voit" > > To: "Timothy" > > Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2000 5:40 PM > > Subject: Re: Sequencer question > > > > > I'm using the yamaha rm1x with a lot of joy .this is a pattern based >seq > > > with maximum live tweakability (pattern switch, track mutes ) so its > > > very well suited for our cyclic needs > > > > > > Sorry I have no time to make you a review but here is a link > > > to all the rm1x stuff on the net > > > > > > http://www.markarber.freeserve.co.uk/menu.htm > > > > > > Come back after that and be my guest for some questions > > > > > > Claude > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 20 11:55:59 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA04701; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 11:55:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 11:55:59 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <007601bfaade$2f054780$69d2efd1@oemcomputer> From: "Stuart Sovatsky" To: Subject: sfbay-looper/vortex chanting jam Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 08:35:19 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0073_01BFAAA3.5C89F740" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"CkNaz1.0.Ik.FGo_u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13636 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0073_01BFAAA3.5C89F740 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Any East Bay Loopers have time & interest to try experimental jamming = with the mantric vocalist (me) of the little-known trance ensemble, Axis = Mundi? I chant Sanskrit mantras mixed in with favorite rock lyrics into = a Vortex and a Digitech Vocalist Harmonizer to create live mantra events = with drummers and didge. Looking to either mess around with a looper for = fun and maybe even do some projects together. stuart sovatsky = www.jps.net/stuartcs=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0073_01BFAAA3.5C89F740 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Any East Bay Loopers have time & = interest to=20 try experimental jamming with the mantric vocalist (me) of the = little-known=20 trance ensemble, Axis Mundi? I chant Sanskrit mantras mixed in with = favorite=20 rock lyrics into a Vortex and a Digitech Vocalist Harmonizer to create = live=20 mantra events with drummers and didge. Looking to either mess around = with a=20 looper for fun and maybe even do some projects together.  stuart=20 sovatsky     www.jps.net/stuartcs=20
------=_NextPart_000_0073_01BFAAA3.5C89F740-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 20 12:02:36 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA06039; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 12:02:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 12:02:36 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 08:42:52 -0700 From: "Mike Biffle" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, ew37@bellsouth.net Subject: Re: Negativland on tour... Resent-Message-ID: <"9iA2s3.0.6v.lNo_u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13637 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >>> "X-ray" 04/19 11:34 PM >>> >>non-mentioning of the fact that it was ENO that came up with the whole idea with the TV screens/satellite access and all, Again, credit placed where not deserved. > Hmmmm. Not sure I agree. U2 has quite often given credit to Eno for the initial concept of that tour (even in the tour program). Certainly the band were the "directors" of the production whereas Eno was the one who wrote the 1st draft of the script (sorry for the analogy). I'm not sure it's fair to suggest that it was Eno's baby and U2 were just along for the ride. I remember Bono saying something like... "We finally have enough money to do such a bloated grandiose thing... Why not? If not us, then who?" I think he's correct in that statement... they were huge, had the capability, so they went for it and staged an incredible, very successful production. For it's sheer scope, it was certainly the most modern and hi-tech I've seen to date. Sure beats the Stones bloated retro machine... >>Then I saw U2 making scads of money making music that sounded like someone elses' work > Just out of curiosity, other than the rootsier Joshua Tree/Rattle and Hum period, who do you find them to be imitating??? Again, just curious. I think it became popular to disinherit U2 due to their tremendous success... The Edge managed to assemble several existing simple guitar techniques into a cohesive style... and has continued to experiment far more than your average rock star type does... His stuff on Pop is really cool... Great sounds... it is ROCK music... If you can't hack rock, then sure... they probably suck for you. But I think U2 is a great ROCK band... They benefitted a lot from their association with Eno. -Miko From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 20 12:28:17 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA08829; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 12:28:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 12:28:17 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <002401bfaae5$5503ac40$717779a5@cliff> From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" To: Subject: Re: sfbay-looper/vortex chanting jam Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 09:25:33 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000D_01BFAAAA.609E1BC0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Resent-Message-ID: <"HHMrz2.0.b12.Cyo_u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13639 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01BFAAAA.609E1BC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Question: How do you like the Digitech Vocalist? Is it smooth? Does it = track well? Also- have you ever tried plugging any other instruments = into it to see how it sounded? Curious-=20 Cliff -----Original Message----- From: Stuart Sovatsky To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Thursday, April 20, 2000 8:59 AM Subject: sfbay-looper/vortex chanting jam =20 =20 Any East Bay Loopers have time & interest to try experimental = jamming with the mantric vocalist (me) of the little-known trance = ensemble, Axis Mundi? I chant Sanskrit mantras mixed in with favorite = rock lyrics into a Vortex and a Digitech Vocalist Harmonizer to create = live mantra events with drummers and didge. Looking to either mess = around with a looper for fun and maybe even do some projects together. = stuart sovatsky www.jps.net/stuartcs=20 ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01BFAAAA.609E1BC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Question: How do you like the = Digitech Vocalist?=20 Is it smooth? Does it track well? Also- have you ever tried plugging any = other=20 instruments into it to see how it sounded? Curious-
 
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Date:=20 Thursday, April 20, 2000 8:59 AM
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Any East Bay Loopers have time = &=20 interest to try experimental jamming with the mantric vocalist (me) = of the=20 little-known trance ensemble, Axis Mundi? I chant Sanskrit mantras = mixed in=20 with favorite rock lyrics into a Vortex and a Digitech Vocalist = Harmonizer=20 to create live mantra events with drummers and didge. Looking to = either mess=20 around with a looper for fun and maybe even do some projects = together. =20 stuart sovatsky     www.jps.net/stuartcs=20
------=_NextPart_000_000D_01BFAAAA.609E1BC0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 20 12:13:09 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA06912; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 12:13:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 12:13:09 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: bets@shell11.ba.best.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 08:55:03 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: bets@she-bop.org (Betsey Biggs) Subject: Re: sfbay-looper/vortex chanting jam Resent-Message-ID: <"iWoZu1.0.261.3Xo_u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13638 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com hi Stuart, I am brand new to looping (in fact not even: I am purchasing a DL4 within the next couple of weeks) but I would be into jamming once I have used the equipment a bit. I'm a keyboard/synth/percussion player, and really looking forward to getting more into the whole looping thing. THing is, I'm just finishing up school (Mills) and things are kind of crazy for the next couple of weeks. But after mid-May, I'd be into getting together. Let me know... I'm actually thinking of studying table and voice at the Ali Akbar Khan school soon, too. Do you know much about that program? And/or do you know any tabla teachers in the East Bay? Thanks, Betsey >Any East Bay Loopers have time & interest to try experimental jamming with >the mantric vocalist (me) of the little-known trance ensemble, Axis Mundi? >I chant Sanskrit mantras mixed in with favorite rock lyrics into a Vortex >and a Digitech Vocalist Harmonizer to create live mantra events with >drummers and didge. Looking to either mess around with a looper for fun >and maybe even do some projects together. stuart sovatsky >www.jps.net/stuartcs > > > > > > > > > >
Any East Bay Loopers have time & >interest to >try experimental jamming with the mantric vocalist (me) of the little-known >trance ensemble, Axis Mundi? I chant Sanskrit mantras mixed in with favorite >rock lyrics into a Vortex and a Digitech Vocalist Harmonizer to create live >mantra events with drummers and didge. Looking to either mess around with a >looper for fun and maybe even do some projects together.  stuart >sovatsky     href="http://www.jps.net/stuartcs">www.jps.net/stuartcs >
* * * * * * * * * Listening is forgetting the name of the thing one hears. -- Lawrence Weschler * * * * * * * * * From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 20 13:15:31 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA14267; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 13:15:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 13:15:31 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <003401bfaaea$16dfd420$717779a5@cliff> From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" To: Subject: Re: OT - Negativland/U2 Interview Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 10:01:30 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Resent-Message-ID: <"k2HQr3.0.Ov2.yRp_u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13641 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Anyone know if Edge ever loaned them the money? :) Cliff -----Original Message----- From: matt davignon To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Date: Wednesday, April 19, 2000 3:29 PM Subject: Negativland/U2 Interview >There's been a lot of excitement about that Mondo 2000 interview in which >Negativland put The Edge of U2 on the spot. > >The interview can be found on this page: > >http://www.negativland.com/edge.html > > >Matt Davignon >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 20 13:21:17 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA14738; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 13:21:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 13:21:17 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38FFB443.8E95C92@vtx.ch> Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 18:52:03 -0700 From: Claude voit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight Subject: Re: Sequencer question Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"vLbBy1.0.0B3.uXp_u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13643 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Timothy wrote: > > I think I need a MIDI sequencer: I think that's what they call them. What I > need is a machine to feed MIDI signals to these things concurrently: a drum > sampler, two EDPs, a MIDI channel switcher, and two MIDI-controlled effects > units (a Roland VG8 and I'm researching the second one). It would have to be > able to store enough data to send an entire rhythm score to the drum sampler: > the looping, channel, and effects signals would be relatively minor. > > Is that what a sequencer does? If not, what do I need? And what's the price > range? I suppose I could do it with my laptop computer and some of the > software I have but that seems a little too precarious for live performance, > what with people throwing beer cans and other liquid-bearing objects at me > trying to get me and all my loser equipment off the stage. > > However, it'd be real nice to be able to program all the changes on my desktop > computer, then download that data to the sequencer. > > Thanks in advance, > Tim Timothy I'm using the yamaha rm1x with a lot of joy .this is a pattern based seq with maximum live tweakability (pattern switch, track mutes ) so its very well suited for our cyclic needs Sorry I have no time to make you a review but here is a link to all the rm1x stuff on the net http://www.markarber.freeserve.co.uk/menu.htm Come back after that and be my guest for some questions Claude From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 20 13:16:13 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA14335; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 13:16:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 13:16:13 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: kamlapati.khalsa@philips.com To: Subject: Re: sfbay-looper/vortex chanting jam Message-ID: <0056910004665164000002L142*@MHS> Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 11:58:03 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; name="MEMO 04/20/00 12:02:31" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by rosy.yourwebhost.com id MAA11977 Resent-Message-ID: <"dm2ly.0.Tx2.xSp_u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13642 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I live in the South Bay and I am interested in connecting. I play guitar, with EDP and DL4, and soon a SP-808EX. I have been making music for a long time but I am just a beginner too. Let's make contact. Love the Looper's mailing list! Kamlapati home : (408)530-8309 bets@she-bop.org on 04/20/2000 09:35:51 AM Please respond to Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com@SMTP To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com@SMTP cc: Subject: Re: sfbay-looper/vortex chanting jam Classification: Restricted hi Stuart, I am brand new to looping (in fact not even: I am purchasing a DL4 within the next couple of weeks) but I would be into jamming once I have used the equipment a bit. I'm a keyboard/synth/percussion player, and really looking forward to getting more into the whole looping thing. THing is, I'm just finishing up school (Mills) and things are kind of crazy for the next couple of weeks. But after mid-May, I'd be into getting together. Let me know... I'm actually thinking of studying table and voice at the Ali Akbar Khan school soon, too. Do you know much about that program? And/or do you know any tabla teachers in the East Bay? Thanks, Betsey >Any East Bay Loopers have time & interest to try experimental jamming with >the mantric vocalist (me) of the little-known trance ensemble, Axis Mundi? >I chant Sanskrit mantras mixed in with favorite rock lyrics into a Vortex >and a Digitech Vocalist Harmonizer to create live mantra events with >drummers and didge. Looking to either mess around with a looper for fun >and maybe even do some projects together. stuart sovatsky >www.jps.net/stuartcs > > > > > > > > > >
Any East Bay Loopers have time & >interest to >try experimental jamming with the mantric vocalist (me) of the little-known >trance ensemble, Axis Mundi? I chant Sanskrit mantras mixed in with favorite >rock lyrics into a Vortex and a Digitech Vocalist Harmonizer to create live >mantra events with drummers and didge. Looking to either mess around with a >looper for fun and maybe even do some projects together.  stuart >sovatsky     href="http://www.jps.net/stuartcs">www.jps.net/stuartcs >
* * * * * * * * * Listening is forgetting the name of the thing one hears. -- Lawrence Weschler * * * * * * * * * From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 20 13:27:03 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA15668; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 13:27:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 13:27:03 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <00fe01bfaae9$a8688ff0$5d310140@concentric.net> From: "Larry Tremblay" To: , References: Subject: Re: Negativland on tour...ENO and U2 Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 12:58:30 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"KvSdg2.0.us2.5Qp_u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13640 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com First of all let me say I like much of U2's music. But for the record, Eno saved U2's floundering career. This is a well-documented historical fact. U2's association with Eno was *Eno's idea* - he heard something he liked that he knew could be B-I-G with the right amount of coaxing. Regarding the Edge's guitar style, I remember reading an interview in Guitar Player or somewhere with one of those dime-a-dozen Satriani/Vai/ geetarists. The interviewer played a little U2/Edge music and asked him what he thought about his style. The trog said, "I don't hear it" (TRANSLATION: Where are the 500 mph Mixilodian scales, ProCo distorto-box, and erzatz-Halen power-dives? ANSWER: Up your myopic dinosaur ass.) For the 'youngins' out there, The Edge was once considered a neo-psychedelia reverb-monger (a good thing at the time) along the lines of Echo & the Bunnymen and Teardrop Explodes. So..., it took a visionary like Eno to bring U2, and the Edge, to where they are today, commercially and technically. -Larry T ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Biffle" To: ; Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2000 11:42 AM Subject: Re: Negativland on tour... > >>> "X-ray" 04/19 11:34 PM >>> > >>non-mentioning of the fact that it was ENO that came up with the > whole idea with the TV screens/satellite access and all, Again, credit > placed where not deserved. > > > Hmmmm. Not sure I agree. U2 has quite often given credit to Eno > for the initial concept of that tour (even in the tour program). > Certainly the band were the "directors" of the production whereas Eno > was the one who wrote the 1st draft of the script (sorry for the > analogy). I'm not sure it's fair to > suggest that it was Eno's baby and U2 were just along for the ride. > > I remember Bono saying something like... "We finally have enough > money to do such a bloated grandiose thing... Why not? If not us, then > who?" I think he's correct in that statement... they were huge, had > the capability, so they went for it and staged an incredible, very > successful production. For it's sheer scope, it was certainly the most > modern and hi-tech I've seen to date. Sure beats the Stones bloated > retro machine... > > >>Then I saw U2 making scads of money making music that sounded like > someone elses' work > > > Just out of curiosity, other than the rootsier Joshua Tree/Rattle > and Hum period, who do you find them to be imitating??? Again, just > curious. > > I think it became popular to disinherit U2 due to their tremendous > success... The Edge managed to assemble several existing simple guitar > techniques into a cohesive style... and has continued to experiment > far more than your average rock star type does... His stuff on Pop is > really cool... Great sounds... it is ROCK music... If you can't hack > rock, then sure... they probably suck for you. But I think U2 is a > great ROCK band... They benefitted a lot from their association with > Eno. > > -Miko > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 20 13:32:24 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA16400; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 13:32:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 13:32:24 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <004001bfaaed$7d2f82e0$7732dacf@sgoodman> Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: <005601bfaa8f$c6cf8fc0$2bc0d6d1@oemcomputer> Subject: Re: Negativland on tour... Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 10:25:52 -0700 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"cDVq-2.0.So3.3tp_u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13644 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > >non-mentioning of the fact that it was ENO that came up with the >whole > idea with the TV screens/satellite access and all, Again, credit >placed > where not deserved. > > Hmmmm. Not sure I agree. U2 has quite often given credit to Eno for the > initial concept of that tour (even in the tour program). Certainly the band > were the "directors" of the production whereas Eno was the one who wrote the > 1st draft of the script (sorry for the analogy). I'm not sure it's fair to > suggest that it was Eno's baby and U2 were just along for the ride. Look back to Eno's work with multiple monitors as display method back in the 70s and 80s, and note that not all of them were "installations" as such. These were processes-in-progress that, once he was basically content with them, stayed as such. From my viewpoint, the name "ZooTV" seems to have been the sole input of the band/Bono; the soft-pedaling of Eno's input was admittedly partially a function of his preferred mode of "ambient producer", in that it was more important for the band's music to be heard than whom was producing it. While this is going to be argued for a long time, I read an awful lot of hokey at the time about how the Band came up with it as a kind of smoky collective process. The main audience at the time had never seen anything like it, since they'd not even been born at the time such video displays were being pioneered by Eno and a lot of others; U2 did nothing to discourage their thinking that it was something noone had ever seen before, which was not inconsistent with their marketing strategy. Which, alas, worked. > >Then I saw U2 making scads of money making music that sounded >like someone > elses' work > > Just out of curiosity, other than the rootsier Joshua Tree/Rattle and Hum > period, who do you find them to be imitating??? Again, just curious. [chuckle] "Rootsier"? As "Joshua Tree" is the only U2 album I ever bought, I must ask, in comparison with what? U2 owes the entire sound they've grown into to Eno's input - this is no different than his input to the Talking Heads' work, Devo, you name it. If Miko was referring to the slide playing on the JT album, which IMNSHO was no more sophisticated than the kind of playing one does when first discovering bottleneck blues, I can say, only in an academic sense. The blues, alas, did NOT come from Ireland. I then fade back to the quote (paraphrased) from Keith Richard back in a Musician interview in '82: "The only passion that band has is in their Marshall amps." Stephen Goodman EarthLight Productions * http://www.earthlight.net From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 20 13:46:37 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA18245; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 13:46:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 13:46:37 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: bets@shell11.ba.best.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 10:29:56 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: bets@she-bop.org (Betsey Biggs) Subject: Oops Resent-Message-ID: <"Itssg2.0.Hv3.Fvp_u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13645 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com oops, sorry, that was supposed to be a private post. my apologies. * * * * * * * * * Listening is forgetting the name of the thing one hears. -- Lawrence Weschler * * * * * * * * * From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 20 13:47:00 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA18313; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 13:47:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 13:47:00 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000420174217.4638.qmail@web215.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 10:42:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Stephen Subject: Re: Sequencer question To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"Kikw2.0.nI4.y5q_u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13646 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Michael, I've had a moderate degree of success using a Roland MC-80 hardware sequencer for on-the-fly looping. It's not perfect (nor cheap), but does allow you to set up a loop, drop in and out of record mode, switch and mute channels (16) in real-time better than SW sequencers I looked at. One problem is that I've not found a way to do these things via sysex - no info on it in their scanty midi implimentation documentation, but i haven't hit Roland's tech support very hard for it yet. So you need to fondle the box to do most of this, although there are a couple of foot pedal inputs which can be assigned to various functions. There is also pattern-based sequencing available which allows patterns of various lengths to be started, looped & stopped via midi note on / note off messages, with control as to when the pattern starts (immediately, on next beat, start of next measure), but these more or less have to be precomposed rather than created on the fly. I think something like MAX might off the most possibilities. stephen --- Michael LaMeyer wrote: > Does anyone have recommendations for a sequencer > well suited for looping on > the fly? ===== Stephen __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send online invitations with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 20 13:51:59 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA19201; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 13:51:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 13:51:59 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000420174707.23228.qmail@web205.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 10:47:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Stephen Subject: Re: Sequencer question To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"Nnbje2.0.YU4.VAq_u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13647 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Claude, It's heard that the rm1x doesn't allow real-time recording of patterns which can then be manipulated without stopping the sequencer, nor does it allow dropping in & out of record mode. Is this true? stephen > I'm using the yamaha rm1x with a lot of joy .this is > a pattern based seq > with maximum live tweakability (pattern switch, > track mutes ) so its > very well suited for our cyclic needs ===== Stephen __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send online invitations with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 20 14:32:46 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA23925; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 14:32:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 14:32:46 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: Subject: RE: sfbay-looper/vortex chanting jam Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 11:02:16 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 In-Reply-To: <0056910004665164000002L142*@MHS> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <"hZtkg.0.h-4.ZNq_u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13648 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Me too. Somewhat similar setup. Definitely up to jam, and trying to set up something permanent. bIz 415.706.7376 -----Original Message----- From: kamlapati.khalsa@philips.com [mailto:kamlapati.khalsa@philips.com] Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2000 9:58 AM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: sfbay-looper/vortex chanting jam I live in the South Bay and I am interested in connecting. I play guitar, with EDP and DL4, and soon a SP-808EX. I have been making music for a long time but I am just a beginner too. Let's make contact. Love the Looper's mailing list! Kamlapati home : (408)530-8309 bets@she-bop.org on 04/20/2000 09:35:51 AM Please respond to Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com@SMTP To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com@SMTP cc: Subject: Re: sfbay-looper/vortex chanting jam Classification: Restricted hi Stuart, I am brand new to looping (in fact not even: I am purchasing a DL4 within the next couple of weeks) but I would be into jamming once I have used the equipment a bit. I'm a keyboard/synth/percussion player, and really looking forward to getting more into the whole looping thing. THing is, I'm just finishing up school (Mills) and things are kind of crazy for the next couple of weeks. But after mid-May, I'd be into getting together. Let me know... I'm actually thinking of studying table and voice at the Ali Akbar Khan school soon, too. Do you know much about that program? And/or do you know any tabla teachers in the East Bay? Thanks, Betsey >Any East Bay Loopers have time & interest to try experimental jamming with >the mantric vocalist (me) of the little-known trance ensemble, Axis Mundi? >I chant Sanskrit mantras mixed in with favorite rock lyrics into a Vortex >and a Digitech Vocalist Harmonizer to create live mantra events with >drummers and didge. Looking to either mess around with a looper for fun >and maybe even do some projects together. stuart sovatsky >www.jps.net/stuartcs > > > > > > > > > >
Any East Bay Loopers have time & >interest to >try experimental jamming with the mantric vocalist (me) of the little-known >trance ensemble, Axis Mundi? I chant Sanskrit mantras mixed in with favorite >rock lyrics into a Vortex and a Digitech Vocalist Harmonizer to create live >mantra events with drummers and didge. Looking to either mess around with a >looper for fun and maybe even do some projects together.  stuart >sovatsky     href="http://www.jps.net/stuartcs">www.jps.net/stuartcs >
* * * * * * * * * Listening is forgetting the name of the thing one hears. -- Lawrence Weschler * * * * * * * * * From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 20 14:55:29 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA26687; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 14:55:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 14:55:29 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <7BAC931E644ED211A90C00805F65CB640507D040@georgia.exchange.indiana.edu> From: "Taaffe, Denis G" To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" , ew37@bellsouth.net Subject: RE: Negativland on tour...ENO and U2 Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 13:31:57 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <"YapYU2.0.lx5.1tq_u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13649 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com - yes, and they are right where they should be .....atop the shit heap...hahaha Kidding, actually I like the edge's playing a lot and U2 has doen some really good things.Brian eno does some cool stuff but alwasy seems to sap his stuff in one way or another. dt So..., it took a visionary like Eno to bring U2, and the Edge, to where they are today, commercially and technically. -Larry T -- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 20 14:52:05 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA26135; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 14:52:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 14:52:05 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <004001bfaaed$7d2f82e0$7732dacf@sgoodman> References: <005601bfaa8f$c6cf8fc0$2bc0d6d1@oemcomputer> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 11:46:57 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: rich Subject: Negativland becomes U2 becomes Eno Resent-Message-ID: <"m-2Pp3.0.z66.kzq_u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13650 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi All, I'm not too terribly interested in U2's work anymore, although IMHO, The Unforgettable Fire is by far their best work, shows off Eno's input more than the others, and is much more of an 'ambient' album (admitted by the band themselves). Also, it seems to be the last album before the egos began to swell. However, I do disagree with the statement made by Mr. Goodman: > U2 owes the entire sound they've grown into to Eno's input - this is no >different than his input to the Talking Heads' work, Devo, you name it. These bands do have their own sound and creativity outside of Mr. Eno. Yes, he's a brilliant artist, and a wonderful producer, but U2, the Heads, and for chrissakes Devo all have made cool albums outside of the influence of Eno. Duty Now For The Future and Freedom of Choice still sound like Devo, don't they? They didn't just flop over and go "please Mr. Eno, come back!" Aren't David Byrne and Mark Mothersbaugh considered extremely prolific and creative people in their own right? just my 2 cents, rich From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 20 14:56:55 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA27064; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 14:56:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 14:56:55 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000420185100.7135.qmail@web206.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 11:51:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Stephen Subject: RE: sfbay-looper/vortex chanting jam To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"iegtS2.0.4M6.O6r_u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13651 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I'm interested! I'm on the penninsula, play(?) ztar w/ midi looping & breath-controlled yamaha VL-1 diddling. I'm waiting for an EDP to arrive to try looping various Indian percussion insruments (ghatam, mridangam, tabla, kanjira, dholak), among other things. I've also studied Sanskrit for 12 years, & know something about the 'mantra chanting thing'. Re: Ali Akbar school - I've never taken classes there, but have heard only good things about it. Also check out India Currents http://www.indiacurrents.com/200004/classlst.htm - it looks like there is someone who teaches in fremont. The printed copy might have more east-bay teachers. Your best bet might for an east-bay hindustani music teacher might be to post a query to rec.music.indian.classical. stephen > Let me know... I'm actually thinking of studying > table and voice at the Ali > Akbar Khan school soon, too. Do you know much about > that program? And/or do > you know any tabla teachers in the East Bay? .... > >I chant Sanskrit mantras mixed in with favorite > rock lyrics into a Vortex > >and a Digitech Vocalist Harmonizer to create live > mantra events with > >drummers and didge. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send online invitations with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 20 16:14:53 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA03273; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 16:14:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 16:14:53 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <001701bfab03$a3d28e40$4823dacf@sgoodman> Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: <005601bfaa8f$c6cf8fc0$2bc0d6d1@oemcomputer> Subject: Re: Negativland becomes U2 becomes Eno Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 13:04:28 -0700 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"T6Dkg2.0.5X.tBs_u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13652 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I have to recall comments written by Robert Palmer in the NY Times, right about the period of "Remain In Light" coming out, that quite possibly Eno's work with Talking Heads might very well be the end of them. Whether this was part of the ultimate breakup of Byrne with the remaining 'Heads will no doubt be argued for some time (the issues regarding Byrne's attachment to Santeria [sp] were also an element of course). But at the time, Palmer postulated that, having attained a unique Sound all their own with Eno's help, it was inevitable that change of some kind would occur - with the most easily predictable event being breakup, if not also after a period of stylistic stasis. One might theorize that only some have the creative drive to ascend above the plateau of work achieved in this way, such that "the work is done," and it's time to move onto the next project or level of work; undoubtedly all the members of Talking Heads, Material, Penguin Cafe, and Devo have experienced this effect. It just remains to be seen as to how long one attempts to perpetuate the plateau effect, whether for artistic or marketing purposes, or whatever. David Byrne and Mark Mothersbaugh are excellent examples of artists who appear to have not only learned from Eno during working together, but take what they learned forward, to explore more sonic landscapes, and provide us also with new territory, to peruse or explore as we see fit. It might be several years before we see this effect on a financial juggernaut like U2, but I would estimate that it WILL occur. So let me then rephrase slightly my comment amongst many, to say that Eno created for U2 an environment wherein they could achieve a sound unlike others', that might not have occurred otherwise. Stephen Goodman EarthLight Productions * http://www.earthlight.net "rich" put forth: > However, I do disagree with the statement made by Mr. Goodman: > > > U2 owes the entire sound they've grown into to Eno's input - this is no > >different than his input to the Talking Heads' work, Devo, you name it. > > These bands do have their own sound and creativity outside of Mr. Eno. > Yes, he's a brilliant artist, and a wonderful producer, but U2, the Heads, > and for chrissakes Devo all have made cool albums outside of the influence > of Eno. > > Duty Now For The Future and Freedom of Choice still sound like Devo, don't > they? They didn't just flop over and go "please Mr. Eno, come back!" > > Aren't David Byrne and Mark Mothersbaugh considered extremely prolific and > creative people in their own right? (I now remember another comment by Robert Palmer in the NYT, when "Fear of Music" came out, that "David Byrne's guitar playing has improved greatly since the last album," which, at the time, seemed like a swipe, but in retrospective, makes a good deal of sense.) From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 20 17:08:16 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA09103; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 17:08:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 17:08:16 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000420203321.85465.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [131.107.3.72] From: "Greg S." To: "Loopers Delight" References: <7BAC931E644ED211A90C00805F65CB640507D040@georgia.exchange.indiana.edu> Subject: Re: Negativland on tour...ENO and U2 Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 13:33:19 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Resent-Message-ID: <"5Taj-1.0.LP1.rcs_u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13654 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Loop content: If you can, check out the "Captive" soundtrack ('86 I think) by the Edge and Michael Brook. I believe there may be some loop usage there. Certainly fits the ambient category. Non-loop content follows: > it took a visionary like Eno ..... and Paul McGuiness, and Daniel Lanois, and Steve Lillywhite, and even a little Michael Brook, and Gavin Friday, and Dick Evans, and lots o' "Lady Luck", and... > ........to bring U2, and the > Edge, to where they are today, commercially and technically. Let's not over-simplify. Admittedly Eno's influence was likely the most critical for certain issues. Also, I tend to think that the Rattle and Hum period of over-fascination with America was a bit of a reaction against the previously mentioned "ambient" direction Eno/Unforgettable Fire was taking the band. Too bad (from my taste perspective). I rather enjoyed a few instrumental 12" singles and B-sides that were released around U. Fire. Ireland and "the Blues": Blues certainly can trace some of it's origins to Ireland (Celtic folk -> country -> blues). Other U2: Yesterday I was channel surfing during the commute home. Hit "New Year's Day" and left it. The on came the Eagles' "Peaceful easy feeling". Found out I was listening to a classic rock station. Got home -- yep, more gray hair in the mirror. Speaking of "classic" -- I just found U2 songs redone by string ensembles: http://www.cdnow.com/cgi-bin/mserver/SID=848922941/pagename=/RP/CDN/FIND/alb um.html/artistid=VA-STRUNG+OUT+ON+U2-STRING+QUA/itemid=1167978 From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 20 18:02:03 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA13928; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 18:02:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 18:02:03 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000420214014.53706.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [129.130.231.138] From: "Zach Lawrence" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Non-loop content: ENO and U2 Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 14:40:14 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"oD_n8.0.uw2.Vbt_u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13659 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >Ireland and "the Blues": Blues certainly can trace some of it's origins to >Ireland (Celtic folk -> country -> blues). i'm not sure if this lineage is entirely accurate ... the guitar itself, of course, came from Europe, primarily central and western Europe where the lute was popular. with the guitar came a playing tradtion along with the folk songs of Europe, so certainly that had some stylistic impact on the Blues, but that style of music itself (in relation to the guitar) came primarily from the attempt to imitate the African slaves' singing style using a slide (the melodies of the slaves' spirituals and 'working chants' relied heavily on gliding notes and quarter-step intervals). this original 'blues' music is quite different from what came about in the earlier 20th century that was called 'the blues', which used more principles from European music, including the I - IV - V progression, which, for some reason, seemed to fit with the African-ish melodies very well. It's out of *this* 'country blues' tradition that the original 'country' music came (as well as jazz), and, from this, rock-n-roll. to simplify, i think that diagram would go something like this: European folk\ orig. blues-'country blues'-country African acapella singing / >Other U2: >Yesterday I was channel surfing during the commute home. Hit "New Year's >Day" and left it. The on came the Eagles' "Peaceful easy feeling". Found >out I was listening to a classic rock station. Got home -- yep, more gray >hair in the mirror. man, i'm only 20, and everytime I hear Tears For Fears songs in the "retro" slots on the radio, i feel like an old codger:P zach:) ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 20 17:53:35 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA12877; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 17:53:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 17:53:35 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38FF6D02.C6E72709@best.com> Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 13:48:02 -0700 From: Allan Hoeltje X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: New EDP works fine after replacing the memory References: <36.4cf0962.262fdc96@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"X4fT-.0.0v1.Yts_u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13655 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I finally got a chance to play with my new EDP last night. It worked 100% out of the box. But let me tell you, after hearing all the sad stories here on the LD list, I was _expecting_ the worst. I haven't tried any of the obscure parameter options, just the record, overdub, insert, multiply, undo, but that is at least 95% of what I want. One thing that is strange about it is it makes a rather loud "thunk" sound when I turn the power on - kind of like a hammer sound. This is not coming from my amp, this is inside the EDP. Is it normal for it to make this sound or is it a sign that the infamous fuse is a few electrons short of blowing? No one has mentioned the color yet. It is the same color as the old ones from what I can tell from the LD web page. It is missing the cool Oberhiem logo but the Gibson logo isn't that bad, big, or ugly. -Allan ENAT21213@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 4/19/00 2:17:29 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > jonathan@full-moon.com writes: > > > So, as far as I have heard, the only problems with the units have been > > fuses and, in my case memory. > > first it was the fuse thing for me.......replaced it......turned on > fine.......plugged it into an amp and the echoplex lights dim and the the amp > went huuuuuuuuuuuummmmmmm......unplug the cord and the echoplex restarts > so i called shane and it's off for repairs > looks like were the ginnie pigs > > my question is has anyone received and edp that works 100% out of the box > > brian > ebnoise From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 20 18:13:59 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA14878; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 18:13:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 18:13:59 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38FF6FC3.5E8BF1C7@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 13:59:51 -0700 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Oops References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"smfzY.0.U-1.Dxs_u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13656 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Betsey Biggs wrote: > oops, sorry, that was supposed to be a private post. my apologies. > > * * * * * * * * * > > Listening is forgetting the name of the thing one hears. > -- Lawrence Weschler > > * * * * * * * * * didn't he write that book about robert irwin called "seeing is forgetting the name of the thing one sees"? er...senses working overtime? :-) lance g. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 20 18:13:09 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA14736; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 18:13:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 18:13:09 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <004001bfab07$39b44720$8f368218@we.mediaone.net> From: "Om_Audio" To: References: <005601bfaa8f$c6cf8fc0$2bc0d6d1@oemcomputer> Subject: Re: Negativland becomes U2 becomes Eno Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 13:30:10 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"4M_Zv3.0.LH1.JYs_u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13653 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Rich- You are absoloutly right- both byrne and esp the Mothersbaugh bunch were prolific and very talented before their meeting Eno- I have to jump in b/c Devo is one of my all time fav bands- An interesting note is how Devo got their start- I have a boot that WB rejected in the early days- apparently a girl/groupie friend of the band was back stage with Bowie or Eno and Iggy Pop just before they went to Germany- she found a way to slip a cassette into Bowie's bag- or was it Eno's bag- shit- anyway- they had tons of music and were always popping a tape in to listen- while in Germany they played the Devo tape and both loved it- found out who they were and before you know it they were in the studio with Eno- very cool- the collaboration helped them to refine some of their sound esp with access to state of the art synths etc but it was just that- a collaboration- Most of the members of Devo work at their own prod company in Hollywood- I'm tempted to ask Mark M. about his view on how Eno influenced their development- certainly a good excuse to try to contact an old idol of mine! Cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: "rich" To: Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2000 11:46 AM Subject: Negativland becomes U2 becomes Eno > Hi All, > > I'm not too terribly interested in U2's work anymore, although IMHO, The > Unforgettable Fire is by far their best work, shows off Eno's input more > than the others, and is much more of an 'ambient' album (admitted by the > band themselves). Also, it seems to be the last album before the egos > began to swell. > > However, I do disagree with the statement made by Mr. Goodman: > > > U2 owes the entire sound they've grown into to Eno's input - this is no > >different than his input to the Talking Heads' work, Devo, you name it. > > > These bands do have their own sound and creativity outside of Mr. Eno. > Yes, he's a brilliant artist, and a wonderful producer, but U2, the Heads, > and for chrissakes Devo all have made cool albums outside of the influence > of Eno. > > Duty Now For The Future and Freedom of Choice still sound like Devo, don't > they? They didn't just flop over and go "please Mr. Eno, come back!" > > Aren't David Byrne and Mark Mothersbaugh considered extremely prolific and > creative people in their own right? > > just my 2 cents, > > rich > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 20 18:23:09 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA16057; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 18:23:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 18:23:09 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38FF715C.9CF0E1C9@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 14:06:41 -0700 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Negativland et alia References: <7BAC931E644ED211A90C00805F65CB640507D040@georgia.exchange.indiana.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"l0mWq.0._62.c1t_u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13657 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com "Taaffe, Denis G" wrote: > - > yes, and they are right where they should be .....atop the shit > heap...hahaha Kidding, actually I like the edge's playing a lot and U2 has > doen some really good things.Brian eno does some cool stuff but alwasy seems > to sap his stuff in one way or another. > dt > > So..., it took a visionary like Eno to bring U2, and the > Edge, to where they are today, commercially and technically. > > -Larry T > > -- what means "sap his stuff"? is this maybe a new looping tool for the mac? :) lance g. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 20 18:28:55 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA16467; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 18:28:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 18:28:55 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <01bd01bfab0d$f9843960$5d310140@concentric.net> From: "Larry Tremblay" To: "Stephen P. Goodman" , References: <005601bfaa8f$c6cf8fc0$2bc0d6d1@oemcomputer> <001701bfab03$a3d28e40$4823dacf@sgoodman> Subject: Re: Negativland becomes U2 becomes Eno Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 17:18:28 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"Xflsm3.0.oP2.FDt_u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13658 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Well said. I agree. I remember the Robert Palmer article (and I beleive Christgau too, in the Village Voice) predicting their imminent implosion. In the case of Talking Heads and Devo, there was also some hostility, too: in the case of Devo's Are We Not Men sessions, while Motherbaugh learned and assimilated a lot from Eno, they butted heads quite often. Note the huge difference between "Are We Not Men" and "Duty Now.." on the guitar and treatments. In the Talking Heads case, Tina and and the other Heads felt a bit pushed aside by Eno and Byrne - of not being given the credit due them in their own right. This was Tina's Wordy Rappinghood period, when solo projects were pursued. It's illustrative to note that the leap from the Eno-less "Talking Head's '77" LP to "More Songs about Buildings and Food". At first the Talking Heads were an arty NY punk band, Eno put them on track to becoming a viable commercial entity. And of course, the first Ultravox album. Yet another example of the Eno touch, and the uncertain aftershocks each protege experiences thereafter. Ultravox was HUGE, then John Fox left the band, etc. > So let me then rephrase slightly my comment amongst many, to say that Eno > created for U2 an environment wherein they could achieve a sound unlike > others', that might not have occurred otherwise. I agree with this exactly. - Larry T ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2000 4:04 PM Subject: Re: Negativland becomes U2 becomes Eno > I have to recall comments written by Robert Palmer in the NY Times, right > about the period of "Remain In Light" coming out, that quite possibly Eno's > work with Talking Heads might very well be the end of them. Whether this > was part of the ultimate breakup of Byrne with the remaining 'Heads will no > doubt be argued for some time (the issues regarding Byrne's attachment to > Santeria [sp] were also an element of course). But at the time, Palmer > postulated that, having attained a unique Sound all their own with Eno's > help, it was inevitable that change of some kind would occur - with the most > easily predictable event being breakup, if not also after a period of > stylistic stasis. > > One might theorize that only some have the creative drive to ascend above > the plateau of work achieved in this way, such that "the work is done," and > it's time to move onto the next project or level of work; undoubtedly all > the members of Talking Heads, Material, Penguin Cafe, and Devo have > experienced this effect. It just remains to be seen as to how long one > attempts to perpetuate the plateau effect, whether for artistic or marketing > purposes, or whatever. > > David Byrne and Mark Mothersbaugh are excellent examples of artists who > appear to have not only learned from Eno during working together, but take > what they learned forward, to explore more sonic landscapes, and provide us > also with new territory, to peruse or explore as we see fit. It might be > several years before we see this effect on a financial juggernaut like U2, > but I would estimate that it WILL occur. > > So let me then rephrase slightly my comment amongst many, to say that Eno > created for U2 an environment wherein they could achieve a sound unlike > others', that might not have occurred otherwise. > > Stephen Goodman > EarthLight Productions * http://www.earthlight.net > > "rich" put forth: > > > However, I do disagree with the statement made by Mr. Goodman: > > > > > U2 owes the entire sound they've grown into to Eno's input - this is no > > >different than his input to the Talking Heads' work, Devo, you name it. > > > > These bands do have their own sound and creativity outside of Mr. Eno. > > Yes, he's a brilliant artist, and a wonderful producer, but U2, the Heads, > > and for chrissakes Devo all have made cool albums outside of the influence > > of Eno. > > > > Duty Now For The Future and Freedom of Choice still sound like Devo, don't > > they? They didn't just flop over and go "please Mr. Eno, come back!" > > > > Aren't David Byrne and Mark Mothersbaugh considered extremely prolific and > > creative people in their own right? > > (I now remember another comment by Robert Palmer in the NYT, when "Fear of > Music" came out, that "David Byrne's guitar playing has improved greatly > since the last album," which, at the time, seemed like a swipe, but in > retrospective, makes a good deal of sense.) > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 20 19:56:12 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA23759; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 19:56:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 19:56:12 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <01bd01bfab0d$f9843960$5d310140@concentric.net> References: <005601bfaa8f$c6cf8fc0$2bc0d6d1@oemcomputer> <001701bfab03$a3d28e40$4823dacf@sgoodman> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 16:35:47 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: rich Subject: Re: Negativland becomes U2 becomes Eno Resent-Message-ID: <"McCE_2.0.aL5.RCv_u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13663 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >Note the huge difference between "Are We Not Men" and "Duty Now.." on the guitar and treatments. why would you agree that Eno created the environment for bands to achieve a certain 'sound', and that their subsequent career/sonic trajectory was somehow inextricable from Eno's initial imprint, and then point out the differences between albumms where Eno was producing and where he was not? Just Curious... perhaps i am underestimating the role of a producer? when i listen to Devo, i hear Devo, not Eno. when i listen to the first Velvet's record, i hear Cale and Reed, not Andy Warhol. Teo Macero was intrumental to Miles' sound in the studio, but i like Miles, not Teo...and the Unforgettable Fire is still 4 white guys in a rock band, even if God is producing them, IHMO. OT, you bet. rich From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 20 20:09:41 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA25041; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 20:09:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 20:09:41 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: hideaway53@home.com Message-ID: <38FF8A0C.49BB8A97@home.com> Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 15:51:58 -0700 Organization: @Home Network X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61C-CCK-MCD AtHome0407 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Non-loop content: ENO and U2 References: <20000420214014.53706.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"iA9QE1.0.0U4.Zcu_u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13661 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Zach Lawrence wrote: > > > *this* 'country blues' tradition that the original 'country' music came from (as > well as jazz), and, from this, rock-n-roll. to simplify, i think that > diagram would go something like this: European folk\ > orig. blues-'country blues'-country > African acapella singing / Check out Francis Davis book THE HISTORY OF THE BLUES in paperback and published by Hyperion books to get a very interesting, carefully argued, respectful and challenging account of the lineage of "the blues." One common assumption you repeat in your post is that "country blues" spawned jazz. Davis argues and provides ample evidence that the two evolved from the same root of anglo/African/American music, but after that, all bets are off. One irrefutable fact, jazz recordings and published music predates by as much as 30 years much of what we think of as classic "country blues." King Oliver wasn't listening to "country blues," and neither was Louis Armstrong! But they were both on record well before Charlie Patton or Robert Johnson. In short, Davis does a good job of rearranging your musical and historical sensibilities. Best, The Roctologists From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 20 20:20:20 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA26244; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 20:20:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 20:20:20 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <008301bfab17$b45aa4a0$46c5d6d1@oemcomputer> From: "X-ray" To: "Larry Tremblay" , Subject: Re: Negativland on tour...ENO and U2 Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 17:28:02 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"bB9pG3.0.W04.1Iu_u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13660 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >U2's association with Eno was *Eno's idea* - he heard something >he liked that he knew could be B-I-G with the right amount of >coaxing. I'm going to have to completely disagree here. When it came time start work on the Unforgettable Fire album, it was U2 who wanted Eno. Being Bowie fans, it was they who sought him out. Eno had not heard ANY of their previous work, and was not interested in working with them at the time...his excuse being that he was devoting most of his time and energy in those days to video/multimedia arts. Eno then referred them to Daniel Lanois who coproduced the album, and with further prodding Eno joined the team and played ball. U2 were fans of his, and not the other way around. U2 were actually on their way to becoming "big" with the more straightforward, rock'n roll-ier sounds of the previous album and tour. As I recall, when the semi-ambient, ambiguous Unforgettable Fire album was first released it was not warmly recieved. I do agree that through the music they made with Eno, U2 have become what they are today commercially, technically, etc. I just don't buy the whole "Eno Master Plan" thing at all. MikeH From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 20 20:32:24 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA27408; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 20:32:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 20:32:24 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20000420214014.53706.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 16:14:23 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: rich Subject: Re: Non-loop content: musicology Resent-Message-ID: <"QwgOw2.0.Ku4.Nuu_u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13662 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Now that we've migrated into some sort of historical OT musicology, i was wondering if someone could answer a question for me... I have a couple of "hawaiian/polynesian" records from what looks like early 60's(?). They are from that period where 'stereo' records were being produced and the whole focus was on Stereo, not the image of the band themselves. Actually, it's hard to find the name of the band on these records, it all just 'polynesian percussion' and 'island moods' stuff, with big, big, STEREO SOUND icons on it. Anyway, listening to these records reminds me so much of traditional country/folk music. Does anyone know any historical connection between these two styles? My musical history is less than stellar... Sorry for the OT. If you have any info, contact me off list. thanks, rich >>Ireland and "the Blues": Blues certainly can trace some of it's origins to >>Ireland (Celtic folk -> country -> blues). > >i'm not sure if this lineage is entirely accurate ... the guitar itself, of >course, came from Europe, primarily central and western Europe where the >lute was popular. with the guitar came a playing tradtion along with the >folk songs of Europe, so certainly that had some stylistic impact on the >Blues, but that style of music itself (in relation to the guitar) came >primarily from the attempt to imitate the African slaves' singing style >using a slide (the melodies of the slaves' spirituals and 'working chants' >relied heavily on gliding notes and quarter-step intervals). this original >'blues' music is quite different from what came about in the earlier 20th >century that was called 'the blues', which used more principles from >European music, including the I - IV - V progression, which, for some >reason, seemed to fit with the African-ish melodies very well. It's out of >*this* 'country blues' tradition that the original 'country' music came (as >well as jazz), and, from this, rock-n-roll. to simplify, i think that >diagram would go something like this: European folk\ > orig. blues-'country blues'-country >African acapella singing / > >>Other U2: >>Yesterday I was channel surfing during the commute home. Hit "New Year's >>Day" and left it. The on came the Eagles' "Peaceful easy feeling". Found >>out I was listening to a classic rock station. Got home -- yep, more gray >>hair in the mirror. > >man, i'm only 20, and everytime I hear Tears For Fears songs in the "retro" >slots on the radio, i feel like an old codger:P > >zach:) >________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 20 20:45:14 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA28451; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 20:45:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 20:45:14 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <003701bfab26$4f8fe300$9383abd4@h2v6p1> From: "luca" To: References: <36.4cf0962.262fdc96@aol.com> Subject: R: New EDP works fine after replacing the memory Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 02:10:03 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <"SsDhu2.0.k-5.-jv_u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13665 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mine worked at its best conditions before crashing completely. I have sended it to Shane who fixed it and now it is working regularly after a couple indecisions). I have to tell you all that my experience with Shane has been the most satsfying I could hope to have. We are in good (and really kind) in hands. Luca ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2000 6:07 AM Subject: Re: New EDP works fine after replacing the memory > In a message dated 4/19/00 2:17:29 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > jonathan@full-moon.com writes: > > > So, as far as I have heard, the only problems with the units have been > > fuses and, in my case memory. > > first it was the fuse thing for me.......replaced it......turned on > fine.......plugged it into an amp and the echoplex lights dim and the the amp > went huuuuuuuuuuuummmmmmm......unplug the cord and the echoplex restarts > so i called shane and it's off for repairs > looks like were the ginnie pigs > > my question is has anyone received and edp that works 100% out of the box > > brian > ebnoise > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 20 20:59:16 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA29738; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 20:59:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 20:59:16 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <000501bfab23$f03d0880$050878d8@gary> From: "Gary Lehmann" To: References: <20000420214014.53706.qmail@hotmail.com> Subject: The Price is Right Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 16:55:42 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <"528MF1.0.oo5.Hav_u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13664 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hello all you loopy people--having owned and enjoyed the Jamman after seeing it at the NAMM show the year it came out ('93?), I am now ready to step up to the big time and invest in the new EDP. That being determined, how much should I expect to play from my local retailer? Price are usually pretty low here in San Diego, but this is probably a special order. Comments? Gary PS Bye the bye, memory is usually pretty low here (http://store.yahoo.com/thechipmerchant/ is a local firm), so if anybody cares to post the specs on the upgrade, I'll be one step ahead on that. Hope they are still shipping! From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 20 22:31:27 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA05544; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 22:31:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 22:31:27 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <01f101bfab32$2c6738e0$5d310140@concentric.net> From: "Larry Tremblay" To: References: Subject: Re: Non-loop content: musicology Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 21:37:35 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"tcb2u2.0.8-7.80x_u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13667 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > Now that we've migrated into some sort of historical OT musicology, i was > wondering if someone could answer a question for me... > > > I have a couple of "hawaiian/polynesian" records from what looks like early > 60's(?). They are from that period where 'stereo' records were being > produced and the whole focus was on Stereo, not the image of the band > themselves. Actually, it's hard to find the name of the band on these > records, it all just 'polynesian percussion' and 'island moods' stuff, with > big, big, STEREO SOUND icons on it. > > Anyway, listening to these records reminds me so much of traditional > country/folk music. Does anyone know any historical connection between > these two styles? My musical history is less than stellar... > Yes, actually the connection you point is, in particular, the "coutry blues" aspect was introduced to Country music via lap steel 'hawaiian' guitar by none othe than Marty Robbins! Marty Robbins himself embarked on a spiritual quest for the roots of county music with an exploration of Gun Fighter Ballads and Trail songs in the '60s too. Excellent LP's btw. I'm suyrprised Malcolm McClaren's name hasn't come up yet. He ventured to Africa, the Kentucky Appalachian mountains, the Missippi Delta and the burned out tenements of the Bronx in search of rock-n-roll's roots. The resulting album was an album containing the pioneering Buffalo Gals LP. Malcolm 'discovered' the World Famous Supreme Team and the origins of scratching and rapping and is responsible for bringing them to the attention of the mainstream way back in the early-80'. Malcolm's influence on Popular Culture is hard to understate. He's the man who brought us Punk and the Sex Pistols, infused the aesthetic of 'appropriation' into the mainstream via his connection with the Situationists, AND brought Hip-Hop from the streets to our radios and MTV. Quite an achievement. - Larry T > > >>Ireland and "the Blues": Blues certainly can trace some of it's origins to > >>Ireland (Celtic folk -> country -> blues). > > > >i'm not sure if this lineage is entirely accurate ... the guitar itself, of > >course, came from Europe, primarily central and western Europe where the > >lute was popular. with the guitar came a playing tradtion along with the > >folk songs of Europe, so certainly that had some stylistic impact on the > >Blues, but that style of music itself (in relation to the guitar) came > >primarily from the attempt to imitate the African slaves' singing style > >using a slide (the melodies of the slaves' spirituals and 'working chants' > >relied heavily on gliding notes and quarter-step intervals). this original > >'blues' music is quite different from what came about in the earlier 20th > >century that was called 'the blues', which used more principles from > >European music, including the I - IV - V progression, which, for some > >reason, seemed to fit with the African-ish melodies very well. It's out of > >*this* 'country blues' tradition that the original 'country' music came (as > >well as jazz), and, from this, rock-n-roll. to simplify, i think that > >diagram would go something like this: European folk\ > > orig. blues-'country blues'-country > >African acapella singing / > > > >>Other U2: > >>Yesterday I was channel surfing during the commute home. Hit "New Year's > >>Day" and left it. The on came the Eagles' "Peaceful easy feeling". Found > >>out I was listening to a classic rock station. Got home -- yep, more gray > >>hair in the mirror. > > > >man, i'm only 20, and everytime I hear Tears For Fears songs in the "retro" > >slots on the radio, i feel like an old codger:P > > > >zach:) > >________________________________________________________________________ > >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 20 22:45:47 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA07232; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 22:45:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 22:45:47 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <01ed01bfab30$52ce87b0$5d310140@concentric.net> From: "Larry Tremblay" To: References: <008301bfab17$b45aa4a0$46c5d6d1@oemcomputer> Subject: Re: Negativland on tour...ENO and U2 Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 21:24:21 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"2mK7K1.0.nm7.kpw_u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13666 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Perhaps I'm mistaken about who contacted who first. Nevertheless, Eno heard something in U2 that was not there before that made him take on the project. Eno's talent for transmuting raw 'potential' and redirecting it into more interesting channels is the main point I wanted to make. Just as Bowie never could have come up with the Heroes-era trilogy of albums without Eno, so too U2 would never have arrived at Forgettable Fire, or their transmutation of America roots music later, on their follow-up albums. - Larry ----- Original Message ----- From: "X-ray" To: "Larry Tremblay" ; Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2000 6:28 PM Subject: Re: Negativland on tour...ENO and U2 > >U2's association with Eno was *Eno's idea* - he heard something > >he liked that he knew could be B-I-G with the right amount of > >coaxing. > > > I'm going to have to completely disagree here. When it came time start work > on the Unforgettable Fire album, it was U2 who wanted Eno. Being Bowie > fans, it was they who sought him out. Eno had not heard ANY of their > previous work, and was not interested in working with them at the time...his > excuse being that he was devoting most of his time and energy in those days > to video/multimedia arts. Eno then referred them to Daniel Lanois who > coproduced the album, and with further prodding Eno joined the team and > played ball. U2 were fans of his, and not the other way around. U2 were > actually on their way to becoming "big" with the more straightforward, > rock'n roll-ier sounds of the previous album and tour. As I recall, when > the semi-ambient, ambiguous Unforgettable Fire album was first released it > was not warmly recieved. > I do agree that through the music they made with Eno, U2 have become what > they are today commercially, technically, etc. I just don't buy the whole > "Eno Master Plan" thing at all. > > MikeH > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 20 22:49:51 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA07665; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 22:49:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 22:49:51 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <023201bfab33$ae7813d0$5d310140@concentric.net> From: "Larry Tremblay" To: References: <005601bfaa8f$c6cf8fc0$2bc0d6d1@oemcomputer><001701bfab03$a3d28e40$4823dacf@sgoodman> Subject: Re: Negativland becomes U2 becomes Eno Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 21:48:23 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"NNr4S.0.7N.GAx_u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13668 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > >Note the huge difference between "Are We Not Men" > and "Duty Now.." on the guitar and treatments. > > why would you agree that Eno created the environment for bands to achieve a > certain 'sound', and that their subsequent career/sonic trajectory was > somehow inextricable from Eno's initial imprint, and then point out the > differences between albumms where Eno was producing and where he was not? > > Just Curious... Because some artists walked away from the experiences with lessons learned, while others did not. I think Devo didn't learned very much (mainly the Casales)- their output was miserable after Eno. On the other hand, Mark Mothersbaugh on his own is a highly creative and inventive guy with or without Eno. - Larry > > perhaps i am underestimating the role of a producer? when i listen to > Devo, i hear Devo, not Eno. when i listen to the first Velvet's record, i > hear Cale and Reed, not Andy Warhol. Teo Macero was intrumental to Miles' > sound in the studio, but i like Miles, not Teo...and the Unforgettable Fire > is still 4 white guys in a rock band, even if God is producing them, IHMO. > > OT, you bet. > > rich > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 20 22:55:28 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA08097; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 22:55:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 22:55:28 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <025601bfab3d$170ebda0$5d310140@concentric.net> From: "Larry Tremblay" To: , References: <38FC7DEA.5B4A@club-internet.fr> Subject: Re: DJRND2 - Mede mede - Hey Papa Dave Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 22:55:44 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"NTPs-2.0.pv1.P9y_u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13669 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Papa Dave, Let me know when you want to ship the DJRND2. My address is: Larry Tremblay 12824 Diamond Drive Pineville, NC 28134 Thanks, - Larry ----- Original Message ----- From: "PERILLE" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2000 11:23 AM Subject: Re : Mede mede > > Hi Larry, sorry for the delay. Others have been checking out the DJRND2. > > If Emmanuel OK's it I will send you the DJRND2. He is on the list and will > > see this message. Om and Out Papa DAVe > > Ok Papa Dave > > Emmanuel > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 20 23:39:10 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA12321; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 23:39:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 23:39:10 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38FFC5C5.5F8D@ezworks.net> Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 23:06:52 -0400 From: Jeff Yost Reply-To: yostie@ezworks.net Organization: Zerone Audio Labs/DigiMete Arts/GigSwaP X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Non-loop content: musicology References: <01f101bfab32$2c6738e0$5d310140@concentric.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"XG1rN2.0.5H2.zNy_u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13670 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Isn't that 'scratching' on Edgar Winter's "Frankinstein" from...what year was it...? jeff Larry Tremblay wrote: > > I'm suyrprised Malcolm McClaren's name hasn't come up yet. He > ventured to Africa, the Kentucky Appalachian mountains, the > Missippi Delta and the burned out tenements of the Bronx in > search of rock-n-roll's roots. The resulting album was an album > containing the pioneering Buffalo Gals LP. Malcolm 'discovered' > the World Famous Supreme Team and the origins of scratching > and rapping and is responsible for bringing them to the > attention of the mainstream way back in the early-80'. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 21 00:19:47 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA16682; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 00:19:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 00:19:47 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000421040150.90836.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [129.130.229.73] From: "Zach Lawrence" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Non-loop content: ENO and U2 Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 21:01:50 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"k-qWT2.0.pV3.IBz_u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13671 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >Check out Francis Davis book THE HISTORY OF THE BLUES in paperback and >published by Hyperion books to get a very interesting, carefully argued, >respectful and challenging account of the lineage of "the blues." One >common assumption you repeat in your post is that "country blues" >spawned jazz. Davis argues and provides ample evidence that the two >evolved from the same root of anglo/African/American music, but after >that, all bets are off. One irrefutable fact, jazz recordings and >published music predates by as much as 30 years much of what we think of >as classic "country blues." King Oliver wasn't listening to "country >blues," and neither was Louis Armstrong! But they were both on record >well before Charlie Patton or Robert Johnson. > >In short, Davis does a good job of rearranging your musical and >historical sensibilities. i think that you and Davis both make a good point, that folk-style blues and jazz both evolved in a parallel fashion. it should be said, though, that the primary reasons that country blues recordings/sheet music weren't around is not that it didn't pre-date original jazz, but that, first, the performers were primarily poor slaves who weren't thought of as profitable outside of their value as plantation workers (a sad human rights reality in the old South), and second, that it was commonly believed that African/blues music was so foreign to traditional musical concepts that most music scholars didn't believe that it could be notated or written down. personally, i think that, contrary to what Davis says, it's very possible that the early jazzmen were influenced heavily by blues, but through live, in-person performances. any corrections to my historical understanding are of course welcomed ... i'm an English major, not a musicology student:) best, zach:) ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 21 00:38:01 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA19647; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 00:38:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 00:38:01 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000421043319.80391.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [165.227.137.191] From: "David Potter" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: DJRND2 - Mede mede - Hey Papa Dave Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 21:33:19 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"-ViPa.0.xa4.mez_u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13672 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sorry for the delay Larry, I've had a friend here that is checking it out in depth and is serious about buying it. I do need a responce from him though so I can move it on and finish the business with Emmanuel. I'll keep you posted. Om and Out Papa Dave >From: "Larry Tremblay" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >To: , >Subject: Re: DJRND2 - Mede mede - Hey Papa Dave >Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 22:55:44 -0400 > >Papa Dave, > >Let me know when you want to ship the DJRND2. > >My address is: >Larry Tremblay >12824 Diamond Drive >Pineville, NC 28134 > >Thanks, >- Larry > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "PERILLE" >To: >Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2000 11:23 AM >Subject: Re : Mede mede > > > > > Hi Larry, sorry for the delay. Others have been checking out the >DJRND2. > > > If Emmanuel OK's it I will send you the DJRND2. He is on the list and >will > > > see this message. Om and Out Papa DAVe > > > > Ok Papa Dave > > > > Emmanuel > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 21 01:03:51 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA23613; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 01:03:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 01:03:51 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <01f101bfab32$2c6738e0$5d310140@concentric.net> References: <01f101bfab32$2c6738e0$5d310140@concentric.net> Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 00:09:51 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: Re: Non-loop content: musicology Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <"M7vW63.0.8c4.-ez_u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13673 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 9:37 PM -0400 4/20/00, Larry Tremblay wrote: > > Now that we've migrated into some sort of historical OT musicology, i was > > wondering if someone could answer a question for me... > > > > > > I have a couple of "hawaiian/polynesian" records from what looks like >early > > 60's(?). They are from that period where 'stereo' records were being > > produced and the whole focus was on Stereo, not the image of the band > > themselves. Actually, it's hard to find the name of the band on these > > records, it all just 'polynesian percussion' and 'island moods' stuff, >with > > big, big, STEREO SOUND icons on it. > > > > Anyway, listening to these records reminds me so much of traditional > > country/folk music. Does anyone know any historical connection between > > these two styles? My musical history is less than stellar... > > > >Yes, actually the connection you point is, in particular, the >"coutry blues" aspect was introduced to Country music via >lap steel 'hawaiian' guitar by none othe than Marty Robbins! The Hawaiian guitar then migrated across the Atlantic, to be used by King Sunny Ade's bands. > "The reasonable man adapts himself to the world. The unreasonable man persists in adapting the world to himself. Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man. -- George Bernard Shaw Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. Video Producer Image Processing Specialist Video for your HEAD! Boris FX http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 21 00:57:32 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA22557; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 00:57:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 00:57:32 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: hideaway53@home.com Message-ID: <38FFDB74.EA8DFC60@home.com> Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 21:39:17 -0700 Organization: @Home Network X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61C-CCK-MCD AtHome0407 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Non-loop content: ENO and U2 References: <20000421040150.90836.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"MJCaY1.0.9n4.Ciz_u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13674 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi Zach: We are not musicologists either! But if you get a chance, check out Davis'book. By the way you make a good point by saying that no one with certainty can be sure that Jazz guys in New Orleans weren't exposed to country folk playing their music. But it is safe to say that because of the economics and history of blacks and Creole's in New Orleans, a kind of African American music devloped that was different from the music that grew out of the much poorer and rural areas of Mississippi or the Piedmont region of the southeast (where there was another set of historic/economic circumstances for African Americans). Best, The Roctologists Zach Lawrence wrote: > > >Check out Francis Davis book THE HISTORY OF THE BLUES in paperback and > >published by Hyperion books to get a very interesting, carefully argued, > >respectful and challenging account of the lineage of "the blues." One > >common assumption you repeat in your post is that "country blues" > >spawned jazz. Davis argues and provides ample evidence that the two > >evolved from the same root of anglo/African/American music, but after > >that, all bets are off. One irrefutable fact, jazz recordings and > >published music predates by as much as 30 years much of what we think of > >as classic "country blues." King Oliver wasn't listening to "country > >blues," and neither was Louis Armstrong! But they were both on record > >well before Charlie Patton or Robert Johnson. > > > >In short, Davis does a good job of rearranging your musical and > >historical sensibilities. > > i think that you and Davis both make a good point, that folk-style blues and > jazz both evolved in a parallel fashion. it should be said, though, that > the primary reasons that country blues recordings/sheet music weren't around > is not that it didn't pre-date original jazz, but that, first, the > performers were primarily poor slaves who weren't thought of as profitable > outside of their value as plantation workers (a sad human rights reality in > the old South), and second, that it was commonly believed that African/blues > music was so foreign to traditional musical concepts that most music > scholars didn't believe that it could be notated or written down. > personally, i think that, contrary to what Davis says, it's very possible > that the early jazzmen were influenced heavily by blues, but through live, > in-person performances. > > any corrections to my historical understanding are of course welcomed ... > i'm an English major, not a musicology student:) > > best, > zach:) > ________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 21 01:13:24 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA24410; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 01:13:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 01:13:24 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <027001bfab4e$a27f3e30$5d310140@concentric.net> From: "Larry Tremblay" To: , References: <01f101bfab32$2c6738e0$5d310140@concentric.net> <38FFC5C5.5F8D@ezworks.net> Subject: Re: Non-loop content: musicology Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 01:01:19 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"-9q5G3.0.nW5.7_z_u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13675 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com No. It was done with modular synthesizers. Mid-70's. - Larry T ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Yost" To: Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2000 11:06 PM Subject: Re: Non-loop content: musicology > Isn't that 'scratching' on Edgar Winter's "Frankinstein" from...what > year was it...? > jeff > > Larry Tremblay wrote: > > > > > I'm suyrprised Malcolm McClaren's name hasn't come up yet. He > > ventured to Africa, the Kentucky Appalachian mountains, the > > Missippi Delta and the burned out tenements of the Bronx in > > search of rock-n-roll's roots. The resulting album was an album > > containing the pioneering Buffalo Gals LP. Malcolm 'discovered' > > the World Famous Supreme Team and the origins of scratching > > and rapping and is responsible for bringing them to the > > attention of the mainstream way back in the early-80'. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 21 01:54:15 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA28287; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 01:54:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 01:54:15 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Kuehnle@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 01:37:00 EDT Subject: Re: RE: sfbay-looper/vortex chanting jam To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 142 Resent-Message-ID: <"naCvZ2.0.MT6.Za-_u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13677 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com There's actually a great tabla teacher in East Oakland. His name is Tim Witter and he also teaches at the Ali Akbar school. If you give me your info I will forward it to him. I'm not sure he'd want me giving out his info at random. -Eric From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 21 01:44:57 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA27323; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 01:44:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 01:44:57 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 00:28:19 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <200004210528.AAA06543@servidor.unam.mx> X-Sender: smaug@servidor.unam.mx X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Andy Soto Subject: Re: Non-loop content: musicology Resent-Message-ID: <"26i3H3.0.lJ6.bS-_u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13676 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com talk about off topic!! :-) At 12:09 a.m. 21/04/00 -0400, you wrote: >At 9:37 PM -0400 4/20/00, Larry Tremblay wrote: >> > Now that we've migrated into some sort of historical OT musicology, i was >> > wondering if someone could answer a question for me... >> > >> > >> > I have a couple of "hawaiian/polynesian" records from what looks like >>early >> > 60's(?). They are from that period where 'stereo' records were being >> > produced and the whole focus was on Stereo, not the image of the band >> > themselves. Actually, it's hard to find the name of the band on these >> > records, it all just 'polynesian percussion' and 'island moods' stuff, >>with >> > big, big, STEREO SOUND icons on it. >> > >> > Anyway, listening to these records reminds me so much of traditional >> > country/folk music. Does anyone know any historical connection between >> > these two styles? My musical history is less than stellar... >> > >> >>Yes, actually the connection you point is, in particular, the >>"coutry blues" aspect was introduced to Country music via >>lap steel 'hawaiian' guitar by none othe than Marty Robbins! > > >The Hawaiian guitar then migrated across the Atlantic, to be used by >King Sunny Ade's bands. >> > > >"The reasonable man adapts himself to the world. The unreasonable man >persists in adapting the world to himself. Therefore, all progress >depends on the unreasonable man. > >-- George Bernard Shaw > > Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. >Video Producer Image Processing Specialist >Video for your HEAD! Boris FX >http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 21 02:17:00 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA30722; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 02:17:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 02:17:00 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <009601bfab56$bccf42a0$50d0efd1@oemcomputer> From: "Stuart Sovatsky" To: Subject: Re: sfbay-looper/vortex chanting jam Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 22:59:16 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"cewYE2.0.I07.Cv-_u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13678 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com dear b -- let me know when you might have a few hrs to jam and i will try to get free to join you here in oakland. I have met and played with several ali akbar students. sometimes their formal training limits their jamability, but it is a grteat place to learn classical style tabla etc. i will keep an ear open re: local teachers for you. stuart -----Original Message----- From: Betsey Biggs To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Thursday, April 20, 2000 9:50 AM Subject: Re: sfbay-looper/vortex chanting jam >hi Stuart, > >I am brand new to looping (in fact not even: I am purchasing a DL4 within >the next couple of weeks) but I would be into jamming once I have used the >equipment a bit. I'm a keyboard/synth/percussion player, and really looking >forward to getting more into the whole looping thing. THing is, I'm just >finishing up school (Mills) and things are kind of crazy for the next >couple of weeks. But after mid-May, I'd be into getting together. > >Let me know... I'm actually thinking of studying table and voice at the Ali >Akbar Khan school soon, too. Do you know much about that program? And/or do >you know any tabla teachers in the East Bay? > >Thanks, > >Betsey > > >>Any East Bay Loopers have time & interest to try experimental jamming with >>the mantric vocalist (me) of the little-known trance ensemble, Axis Mundi? >>I chant Sanskrit mantras mixed in with favorite rock lyrics into a Vortex >>and a Digitech Vocalist Harmonizer to create live mantra events with >>drummers and didge. Looking to either mess around with a looper for fun >>and maybe even do some projects together. stuart sovatsky >>www.jps.net/stuartcs >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
Any East Bay Loopers have time & >>interest to >>try experimental jamming with the mantric vocalist (me) of the little-known >>trance ensemble, Axis Mundi? I chant Sanskrit mantras mixed in with favorite >>rock lyrics into a Vortex and a Digitech Vocalist Harmonizer to create live >>mantra events with drummers and didge. Looking to either mess around with a >>looper for fun and maybe even do some projects together.  stuart >>sovatsky     >href="http://www.jps.net/stuartcs">www.jps.net/stuartcs >>
> > * * * * * * * * * > > Listening is forgetting the name of the thing one hears. > -- Lawrence Weschler > > * * * * * * * * * > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 21 02:22:50 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA31084; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 02:22:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 02:22:50 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <00a701bfab57$b773fe80$50d0efd1@oemcomputer> From: "Stuart Sovatsky" To: Subject: Re: sfbay-looper/vortex chanting jam Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 23:06:16 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00A4_01BFAB1D.07F10320" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"Z3I972.0.hA7.n_-_u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13679 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00A4_01BFAB1D.07F10320 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cliff -- the vocalist is quirky, even jumpy, even tho it has various = sensitivity gates, thus it can do things to my vocal input that i am not = expecting and that can be fun, but not always melodic. i have sent my = electric bagpipe through it, but not enuf to draw any conclusions. since = i got my VH (1996), digitech has come out with these much cheaper vocal = boxes $300-$500, that have about 1/2 of the 1000's of choices the VH has = but at $750, one would have to NEED all the tweakers that jump up its = price. stuart =20 =20 =20 Question: How do you like the Digitech Vocalist? Is it smooth? Does = it track well? Also- have you ever tried plugging any other instruments = into it to see how it sounded? Curious-=20 =20 Cliff ------=_NextPart_000_00A4_01BFAB1D.07F10320 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Cliff -- the vocalist is quirky, = even jumpy,=20 even tho it has various sensitivity gates, thus it can do things to my = vocal=20 input that i am not expecting and that can be fun, but not always = melodic. i=20 have sent my electric bagpipe through it, but not enuf to draw any = conclusions.=20 since i got my VH (1996),  digitech has come out with these much = cheaper=20 vocal boxes $300-$500, that have about 1/2 of the 1000's of choices the = VH has=20 but at $750, one would have to NEED all the tweakers that jump up its=20 price.  stuart 

 
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------=_NextPart_000_00A4_01BFAB1D.07F10320-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 21 02:25:06 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA31215; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 02:25:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 02:25:06 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <00ba01bfab58$020f6ba0$50d0efd1@oemcomputer> From: "Stuart Sovatsky" To: Subject: Re: sfbay-looper/vortex chanting jam Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 23:08:25 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"Qdl-z1.0.fH7.n1__u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13680 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com dear j -- i have a bunch of time on 4/28 and 4/30, stuart -----Original Message----- From: Jonathan El-Bizri To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Thursday, April 20, 2000 11:48 AM Subject: RE: sfbay-looper/vortex chanting jam >Me too. > >Somewhat similar setup. Definitely up to jam, and trying to set up something >permanent. > >bIz > >415.706.7376 > >-----Original Message----- >From: kamlapati.khalsa@philips.com [mailto:kamlapati.khalsa@philips.com] >Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2000 9:58 AM >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Subject: Re: sfbay-looper/vortex chanting jam > > >I live in the South Bay and I am interested in connecting. I play guitar, >with EDP and DL4, and soon a SP-808EX. I have been making music for a long >time but I am just a beginner too. Let's make contact. > >Love the Looper's mailing list! > >Kamlapati > >home : (408)530-8309 > > > > > > >bets@she-bop.org on 04/20/2000 09:35:51 AM >Please respond to Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com@SMTP >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com@SMTP >cc: >Subject: Re: sfbay-looper/vortex chanting jam >Classification: Restricted >hi Stuart, > >I am brand new to looping (in fact not even: I am purchasing a DL4 within >the next couple of weeks) but I would be into jamming once I have used the >equipment a bit. I'm a keyboard/synth/percussion player, and really looking >forward to getting more into the whole looping thing. THing is, I'm just >finishing up school (Mills) and things are kind of crazy for the next >couple of weeks. But after mid-May, I'd be into getting together. > >Let me know... I'm actually thinking of studying table and voice at the Ali >Akbar Khan school soon, too. Do you know much about that program? And/or do >you know any tabla teachers in the East Bay? > >Thanks, > >Betsey > > >>Any East Bay Loopers have time & interest to try experimental jamming with >>the mantric vocalist (me) of the little-known trance ensemble, Axis Mundi? >>I chant Sanskrit mantras mixed in with favorite rock lyrics into a Vortex >>and a Digitech Vocalist Harmonizer to create live mantra events with >>drummers and didge. Looking to either mess around with a looper for fun >>and maybe even do some projects together. stuart sovatsky >>www.jps.net/stuartcs >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
Any East Bay Loopers have time & >>interest to >>try experimental jamming with the mantric vocalist (me) of the little-known >>trance ensemble, Axis Mundi? I chant Sanskrit mantras mixed in with >favorite >>rock lyrics into a Vortex and a Digitech Vocalist Harmonizer to create live >>mantra events with drummers and didge. Looking to either mess around with a >>looper for fun and maybe even do some projects together.  stuart >>sovatsky     >href="http://www.jps.net/stuartcs">www.jps.net/stuartcs >>
> > * * * * * * * * * > > Listening is forgetting the name of the thing one hears. > -- Lawrence Weschler > > * * * * * * * * * > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 21 02:13:22 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA30458; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 02:13:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 02:13:22 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <00c101bfab58$4be2f4e0$50d0efd1@oemcomputer> From: "Stuart Sovatsky" To: Subject: Re: sfbay-looper/vortex chanting jam Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 23:10:29 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"6nu0F2.0.LN7.g3__u"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13681 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com dear s -- let me know whenever you have are in the e bay and have a few hrs to jam and i will try to get free to host & join you. stuart -----Original Message----- From: Stephen To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Thursday, April 20, 2000 12:18 PM Subject: RE: sfbay-looper/vortex chanting jam >I'm interested! I'm on the penninsula, play(?) ztar >w/ midi looping & breath-controlled yamaha VL-1 >diddling. I'm waiting for an EDP to arrive to try >looping various Indian percussion insruments (ghatam, >mridangam, tabla, kanjira, dholak), among other >things. I've also studied Sanskrit for 12 years, & >know something about the 'mantra chanting thing'. > >Re: Ali Akbar school - I've never taken classes there, >but have heard only good things about it. Also check >out India Currents >http://www.indiacurrents.com/200004/classlst.htm - it >looks like there is someone who teaches in fremont. >The printed copy might have more east-bay teachers. >Your best bet might for an east-bay hindustani music >teacher might be to post a query to >rec.music.indian.classical. > >stephen > >> Let me know... I'm actually thinking of studying >> table and voice at the Ali >> Akbar Khan school soon, too. Do you know much about >> that program? And/or do >> you know any tabla teachers in the East Bay? > >.... > >> >I chant Sanskrit mantras mixed in with favorite >> rock lyrics into a Vortex >> >and a Digitech Vocalist Harmonizer to create live >> mantra events with >> >drummers and didge. > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Send online invitations with Yahoo! Invites. >http://invites.yahoo.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 21 06:28:39 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA15714; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 06:28:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 06:28:39 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Reply-To: From: "Rainer Straschill" To: "Looper's Delight Mailing List \(E-mail\)" Subject: Looping using endless cassettes Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 12:26:08 +0200 Message-ID: <000201bfab7c$04f199a0$0301a8c0@SATAN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0003_01BFAB8C.C87BF040" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <"WJvos.0.Gm3.eo20v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13682 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0003_01BFAB8C.C87BF040 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi there, does anyone here have any experience he might report on with looping using endless cassettes (the kind you use in really old answering machines) and fourtracks ? greetings, Rainer Rainer Straschill Moinlabs GFX and Soundworks www.moinlabs.de ------=_NextPart_000_0003_01BFAB8C.C87BF040 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_0003_01BFAB8C.C87BF040-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 21 07:26:38 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA19290; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 07:26:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 07:26:38 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 07:07:35 -0400 (EDT) From: Stew Benedict To: Rainer Straschill cc: "Looper's Delight Mailing List (E-mail)" Subject: Re: Looping using endless cassettes In-Reply-To: <000201bfab7c$04f199a0$0301a8c0@SATAN> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"qUMsN3.0.HP4.SS30v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13683 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Yes, that's how I got my start in looping. A Fostex 4 track and endless cassettes. Big fun when your record a track and flip the tape over. Stew Benedict On Fri, 21 Apr 2000, Rainer Straschill wrote: > Hi there, > > does anyone here have any experience he might report on with looping using > endless cassettes (the kind you use in really old answering machines) and > fourtracks ? > > greetings, > > Rainer > > Rainer Straschill > Moinlabs GFX and Soundworks > www.moinlabs.de > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 21 07:59:58 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA21815; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 07:59:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 07:59:58 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3900BA70.1769973C@vtx.ch> Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 13:30:40 -0700 From: Claude voit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Sequencer question References: <20000420174707.23228.qmail@web205.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"P_PAS3.0.cz4.dw30v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13684 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Stephen wrote: > > Claude, > > It's heard that the rm1x doesn't allow real-time > recording of patterns which can then be manipulated > without stopping the sequencer, nor does it allow > dropping in & out of record mode. Is this true? > > stephen Stephen Yes this is true you can't but it works very well in non fixed/open achitecture songs, jams in sync with plexes it can do the more usual play song from the top to bottom also though Claude From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 21 08:31:36 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA24489; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 08:31:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 08:31:36 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <385175582.956319314522.JavaMail.root@web06.pub01> Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 08:15:14 -0400 (EDT) From: "Brian Thomson, Dublin IE" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Looping using endless cassettes Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: mail.com X-Originating-IP: 207.122.110.164 Resent-Message-ID: <"9ZGpI1.0.7f5.MP40v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13685 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Oh yes indeed, this was my start in looping before I got hold of my Korg DL-8000. I was playing with these ideas over a few years, and then dug through a pile of tapes and found I had well over an hour of material. I copied them to PC, burned them to CD, and I really should dig them out and upload them as MP3s to give you lot a laugh I used various cassettes, including TDK and "British Telecom" brands, in my Fostex X-30 4-track (the short-lived model that used sliders for all functions). I modified the speed control by adding a double-speed switch - the speed control is the only real way of modifying the loop length. I also tried disabling the erase head to see if that resulted in sound layering, but the only result was layers of noise! As for synchronising your playing to the loop... well in the end I wrote a little QBasic program on my laptop that drew a "bouncing ball" on screen, with the ability to adjust the loop length incrementally. I did a similar thing with Visual Basic years later, which I still have if anyone's interested in more laughs... Anyway, if I can present some of the results online, I'll let y'all know. My biggest single looping influence then was David Sylvian's "Gone To Earth", the Bill Nelson / Robert Fripp loop tracks that appeared there, if that's any guide. Cheers, Brian Thomson, Dublin IE bnt@email.com (ceci n'est pas un .sig) ----------------------------------------------- FREE! The World's Best Email Address @email.com Reserve your name now at http://www.email.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 21 09:22:05 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA29689; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 09:22:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 09:22:05 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Sender: r_t_cummings@compuserve.com Message-ID: <390047A7.E0E99761@compuserve.com> Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 14:20:55 +0200 From: cummings X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [de] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mark Landman CC: Loopers Delight Subject: Re: Live horn looping References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"VlREE.0.f97.aK50v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13687 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com hello mark, i think i can a yer q's: btw: i'll cross-post this to the list since this is about LOOPING. > does the delay feedback indefinitly without decay or overloading? yes, pretty much. in fact, you can't overload it like an old-fashioned delay. it seems to have some intelligent buffering circuitry which monitors the signal when feedback=100%. i have found that the signal starts to degrade VERY slowly while looping. however, this is actually quite a musical effect. > Can I then change delay times without destroying the loop material? yes/no. the loopage is pitch-warped to the new delay time. this is what you want, isn't it? > Will the delay time lock to divisions of midiclock as I cahnge it? yes. if i remember correctly, the time divisions are 1:8, 1:4, 1:2 , 1:1, 1.5:1, 2:1 and 4:1. the pitch-warped loop locks to each of these divisions as you turn through them - i believe this is the first looper that can do this. > How long is the max delay time? i'll have to check on this and post back later. i believe the max. looping time is around 4 sec. - but i'll have to check. > the unit is wired in parallel? yes. all of the fx (distortion, flanger, tremolo, delay) are in parallel! the distortion can also be used in series, i.e. at the top of the signal chain. PLUS: you can plug any fx of your own into an insert at the back of the distortion section. this is then controlled using the distortion controls, either with or without the distortion! pretty nice idea from them electrix people, huh? > And lastly, what sort of deal did you get on the unit? i paid approx. DM 800 in berlin, germany for demo units. one last opinion. i think these electrix units are destined to become classics. they're probably a bit expensive for your average dj or bedroom jammer, so i hope they survive. read ya l8ter, rob From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 21 09:35:05 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA30817; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 09:35:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 09:35:05 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Sender: r_t_cummings@compuserve.com Message-ID: <390050F6.891F64E8@compuserve.com> Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 15:00:38 +0200 From: cummings X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [de] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Non-loop content: ENO and U2 References: <20000421040150.90836.qmail@hotmail.com> <38FFDB74.EA8DFC60@home.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"mZoiT1.0.Q97.TK50v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13686 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com sorry people, i don't dig all this musicology nonsense. imo, this is all very old-fashioned. :-) is there really anything to gain by trying to draw straight lines through history? connect the dots from sidney bechet to kid creole to louis armstrong to larry tremblay ;-) mr. tremblay bla-blas about choas theory books in one post while in the next he's trying to tell us about how various white males have single-handedly determined the course of music "HIS-STORY" (flavor flav). huh? malcolm mclaren as the GREAT WHITE discoverer of hip-hop? talk about bollocks ... i would suggest thomas pynchon (another white male) as a describer of LIVING history. ain't no straight lines for ya there baby. history is relative, it depends on where you are and the state of awareness. sorry for antagonistic tone, rob From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 21 10:09:33 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA01900; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 10:09:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 10:09:33 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <7BAC931E644ED211A90C00805F65CB640507D059@georgia.exchange.indiana.edu> From: "Taaffe, Denis G" To: "'baumhaus@earthlink.net'" , Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: Negativland et alia Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 09:03:04 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <"bw7PV2.0.1L.0160v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13688 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com well eno always has some cool insumentation then saps it with crusty vocals or a weak synth part heheh he must use a mac for those 8-) Denis Denis Taaffe denis_aliengtr@geocities.com http://www.dtguitar.com what means "sap his stuff"? is this maybe a new looping tool for the mac? :) lance g. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 21 11:13:32 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA08565; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 11:13:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 11:13:32 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: panix2.panix.com: tonobung owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 10:56:53 -0400 (EDT) From: "r. dennis" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Looping using endless cassettes In-Reply-To: <385175582.956319314522.JavaMail.root@web06.pub01> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"qyays.0.df1.um60v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13689 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com i'm using them live in both my bands.... they come in ultra-handy. specially the ones that actually WERE used in answering machines! never could figure out why a 30 second piece of lo-bias crap costs twice as much as 90 minutes of type II... one of life's little mysteries, i guess - prob. goes along with the reason dthat TL mics cost more than the ones that have 'em. On Fri, 21 Apr 2000, Brian Thomson, Dublin IE wrote: > Oh yes indeed, this was my start in looping before I got hold of my Korg DL-8000. I was playing with these ideas over a few years, and then dug through a pile of tapes and found I had well over an hour of material. I copied them to PC, burned them to CD, and I really should dig them out and upload them as MP3s to give you lot a laugh > > I used various cassettes, including TDK and "British Telecom" brands, in my Fostex X-30 4-track (the short-lived model that used sliders for all functions). I modified the speed control by adding a double-speed switch - the speed control is the only real way of modifying the loop length. I also tried disabling the erase head to see if that resulted in sound layering, but the only result was layers of noise! > > As for synchronising your playing to the loop... well in the end I wrote a little QBasic program on my laptop that drew a "bouncing ball" on screen, with the ability to adjust the loop length incrementally. I did a similar thing with Visual Basic years later, which I still have if anyone's interested in more laughs... > > Anyway, if I can present some of the results online, I'll let y'all know. My biggest single looping influence then was David Sylvian's "Gone To Earth", the Bill Nelson / Robert Fripp loop tracks that appeared there, if that's any guide. > > Cheers, > Brian Thomson, Dublin IE > bnt@email.com > > (ceci n'est pas un .sig) > > ----------------------------------------------- > FREE! The World's Best Email Address @email.com > Reserve your name now at http://www.email.com > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 21 11:28:36 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA10579; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 11:28:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 11:28:36 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <002601bfaba5$dce85370$8f368218@fatcatbox> From: "Om_Audio" To: References: <20000421040150.90836.qmail@hotmail.com> <38FFDB74.EA8DFC60@home.com> <390050F6.891F64E8@compuserve.com> Subject: Re: Non-loop content: ENO and U2 Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 08:25:44 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Resent-Message-ID: <"YV4yK3.0.wO2.mA70v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13692 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Suggestion: Try reading "The People's History of the United States" by Howard Zinn- it will give you an appreciation for the truth in historical recollection- and I don't know what ethnicity he is- Cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: "cummings" To: Sent: Friday, April 21, 2000 6:00 AM Subject: Re: Non-loop content: ENO and U2 > sorry people, i don't dig all this musicology nonsense. imo, this is all > very old-fashioned. :-) > > is there really anything to gain by trying to draw straight lines > through history? connect the dots from sidney bechet to kid creole to > louis armstrong to larry tremblay ;-) > > mr. tremblay bla-blas about choas theory books in one post while in the > next he's trying to tell us about how various white males have > single-handedly determined the course of music "HIS-STORY" (flavor > flav). huh? malcolm mclaren as the GREAT WHITE discoverer of hip-hop? > talk about bollocks ... > > i would suggest thomas pynchon (another white male) as a describer of > LIVING history. ain't no straight lines for ya there baby. history is > relative, it depends on where you are and the state of awareness. > > sorry for antagonistic tone, > rob > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 21 11:32:14 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA10932; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 11:32:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 11:32:14 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000421110221.007c84a0@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 11:02:21 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Non-loop content: ENO and U2 In-Reply-To: <390050F6.891F64E8@compuserve.com> References: <20000421040150.90836.qmail@hotmail.com> <38FFDB74.EA8DFC60@home.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"bcE4A1.0.zu1.ht60v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13690 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 03:00 PM 4/21/00 +0200, you wrote: >is there really anything to gain by trying to draw straight lines >through history? connect the dots from sidney bechet to kid creole to >louis armstrong to larry tremblay ;-) I agree that when trying to chart a linear progression in the development of a musical style or genre, it tends to oversimplify the matter due to the difficulty (or impossibility) of accounting for all of the factors that influenced the musicians along the way, many of which weren't even conscious to them. To me "straight lines through history" don't work; a closer analogy would be the branches of a tree, but even with this more complex model there's the danger of seeing a style as being a composite of other known, visible influences. There are also other things to consider, like geography, socio-economic factors, fortuitous timing, and so forth, so musical evolution can be a very complex thing to try to trace, and it's not really an exact science. But on the other hand, this sort of analysis has often made it possible for me to hear some great music by little-known artists that I'd never have otherwise heard of. (Remember those "Family Tree of British Progressive Music" posters that charted the spin-offs and different lineups of various groups?) I've often found investigating the musicians that influenced some of the more well-known players, and in turn exploring THEIR influences to be a very fruitful source of enjoyable tunes. A good example of this would be Jimmy Page; I enjoy what he's done, particularly in the early days when he was experimenting with interesting recording techniques, but I wouldn't consider myself a big Led Zeppelin fan, and I don't listen to him/them very much these days. However, reading interviews with Page over the years in which he's talked about the musicians HE listens to has led me to appreciate stuff as diverse as Bert Jansch, TransGlobal Underground, Nigel Eaton, Scotty Moore, Link Wray, etc., and checking these players out has in turn led me to discover OTHER music I might otherwise never have known about. So, while the musicological approach to the appreciation of music may not be complete in and of itself, it can have its positive aspects as well. Without historians, we forget what's happened in the past. Tim From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 21 11:36:06 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA11280; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 11:36:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 11:36:06 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000421151943.11884.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [129.130.93.66] From: "Zach Lawrence" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Non-loop content: ENO and U2 Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 08:19:42 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"xlsAD2.0.WI2.m670v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13691 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com ... and somewhere in the middle lies the truth ... i think that this is probably pretty close to what really happened. amazing what can happen when great minds collaborate, eh?:) zach:) >Hi Zach: > >We are not musicologists either! But if you get a chance, check out >Davis'book. > >By the way you make a good point by saying that no one with certainty >can be sure that Jazz guys in New Orleans weren't exposed to country >folk playing their music. But it is safe to say that because of the >economics and history of blacks and Creole's in New Orleans, a kind of >African American music devloped that was different from the music that >grew out of the much poorer and rural areas of Mississippi or the >Piedmont region of the southeast (where there was another set of >historic/economic circumstances for African Americans). > >Best, >The Roctologists > > ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 21 11:46:11 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA12120; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 11:46:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 11:46:11 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000421153343.18332.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [165.227.137.99] From: "David Potter" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: sfbay-looper/vortex chanting jam Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 08:33:43 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"R9daU1.0.3j2.uJ70v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13694 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi, I'm Narendra in Santa Cruz. I loop guitar with many looping devices. I do chanting and toning. I am a student of Baba Hari Dass from Mt Madonna Center. I do theatre and music for the center. I am interested to see what would happen in a jam. Om and Out >From: "Stuart Sovatsky" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >To: >Subject: sfbay-looper/vortex chanting jam >Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 08:35:19 -0700 > >Any East Bay Loopers have time & interest to try experimental jamming with >the mantric vocalist (me) of the little-known trance ensemble, Axis Mundi? >I chant Sanskrit mantras mixed in with favorite rock lyrics into a Vortex >and a Digitech Vocalist Harmonizer to create live mantra events with >drummers and didge. Looking to either mess around with a looper for fun and >maybe even do some projects together. stuart sovatsky >www.jps.net/stuartcs ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 21 12:09:08 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA15495; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 12:09:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 12:09:08 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <39007CC2.B66385A8@voicenet.com> Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 12:07:30 -0400 From: Legion X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Subject: Negativland concert review... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"eKsup1.0.dZ3.Zk70v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13696 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Gee... I hate to get this thread on Negativland away from cultural relativism and pissy ENO/U2/DEVO who-did-what comments but for anyone interested here's the review from the Philadelphia Inquirer about the recent tour: http://www.phillynews.com/inquirer/2000/Apr/20/magazine/NEGA20.htm A writer from Spin magazine was also there and I spoke with him a bit. He said his article will appear in about 3 months probably in the Live Concert review section. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 21 11:59:15 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA13902; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 11:59:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 11:59:15 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <002c01bfaba6$2270ec90$8f368218@fatcatbox> From: "Om_Audio" To: References: <390047A7.E0E99761@compuserve.com> Subject: Re: Live horn looping Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 08:27:41 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Resent-Message-ID: <"Y8NFy.0.TX2.eC70v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13693 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com All well and done but what piece of equipment are you referring to might I ask? Sounds interesting- Cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: "cummings" To: "Mark Landman" Cc: "Loopers Delight" Sent: Friday, April 21, 2000 5:20 AM Subject: Re: Live horn looping > hello mark, i think i can a yer q's: > > btw: i'll cross-post this to the list since this is about LOOPING. > > > does the delay feedback indefinitly without decay or overloading? > > yes, pretty much. in fact, you can't overload it like an old-fashioned > delay. it seems to have some intelligent buffering circuitry which > monitors the signal when feedback=100%. i have found that the signal > starts to degrade VERY slowly while looping. however, this is actually > quite a musical effect. > > > Can I then change delay times without destroying the loop material? > > yes/no. the loopage is pitch-warped to the new delay time. this is what > you want, isn't it? > > > Will the delay time lock to divisions of midiclock as I cahnge it? > > yes. if i remember correctly, the time divisions are 1:8, 1:4, 1:2 , > 1:1, 1.5:1, 2:1 and 4:1. the pitch-warped loop locks to each of these > divisions as you turn through them - i believe this is the first looper > that can do this. > > > How long is the max delay time? > > i'll have to check on this and post back later. i believe the max. > looping time is around 4 sec. - but i'll have to check. > > > the unit is wired in parallel? > > yes. all of the fx (distortion, flanger, tremolo, delay) are in > parallel! the distortion can also be used in series, i.e. at the top of > the signal chain. PLUS: you can plug any fx of your own into an insert > at the back of the distortion section. this is then controlled using the > distortion controls, either with or without the distortion! pretty nice > idea from them electrix people, huh? > > > And lastly, what sort of deal did you get on the unit? > > i paid approx. DM 800 in berlin, germany for demo units. > > one last opinion. i think these electrix units are destined to become > classics. they're probably a bit expensive for your average dj or > bedroom jammer, so i hope they survive. > > read ya l8ter, > rob > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 21 12:01:54 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA14438; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 12:01:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 12:01:54 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <001d01bfaba7$9a46e9d0$1a310140@concentric.net> From: "Larry Tremblay" To: References: <20000421040150.90836.qmail@hotmail.com> <38FFDB74.EA8DFC60@home.com> <390050F6.891F64E8@compuserve.com> Subject: Re: Non-loop content: ENO and U2 Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 11:38:10 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"sNe2t2.0.ij2.EK70v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13695 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Come on, Bob, I said Malcolm "DISCOVERED" (quote, unquote) Hip-Hop in the sense that he brought it to the attention of the great unwashed (mainly WHITE) masses, who were either too busy playing PAC-Man and Donkey Kong while listening to Styx and REO Speedwagon at the time, or otherwise too immersed in their own whitebread KUTCHA to get some "new science" (also Flava Flav). BTW, Public Enemy were so *late* on scene. Everyone knows (or should) that it was folks like Kurtis Blow, Sugar Hill Gang, the Furious Five, Last Poets, et al, who originated the Hip-Hop/Rap genre. Geez... Musicology is like history (not be confused with post-structuralist or marxist 'her-story'). Those who are ignorant of it are doomed to repeat it. Or attempt to revise it for their own ends (ala Stalin, Hitler, Farrakhan, Flava Flav). The revisionists secret weapon is to never offer proofs, or logical arguments. Right, Bob. Sorry if it seems antagonistic, I'm just setting the record straight. As with all rational debate, please offer some hard evidence to the contrary. Prove it's "bollocks", if you can. Note: it may require some actual experience and research. ;) - Larry T ----- Original Message ----- From: "cummings" To: Sent: Friday, April 21, 2000 9:00 AM Subject: Re: Non-loop content: ENO and U2 > sorry people, i don't dig all this musicology nonsense. imo, this is all > very old-fashioned. :-) > > is there really anything to gain by trying to draw straight lines > through history? connect the dots from sidney bechet to kid creole to > louis armstrong to larry tremblay ;-) > > mr. tremblay bla-blas about choas theory books in one post while in the > next he's trying to tell us about how various white males have > single-handedly determined the course of music "HIS-STORY" (flavor > flav). huh? malcolm mclaren as the GREAT WHITE discoverer of hip-hop? > talk about bollocks ... > > i would suggest thomas pynchon (another white male) as a describer of > LIVING history. ain't no straight lines for ya there baby. history is > relative, it depends on where you are and the state of awareness. > > sorry for antagonistic tone, > rob > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 21 13:01:08 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA20888; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 13:01:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 13:01:08 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000421164318.78028.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [165.227.129.94] From: "David Potter" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: DJRND2 - Mede mede - Hey Papa Dave Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 09:43:18 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"LBZtt2.0.mh4.7L80v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13697 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi Larry, the DJRND2 is sold. Please contact Emmanuel to get one shipped over to you. I may get another one for the west coast when he can send one. Om and Out Papa Dave >From: "Larry Tremblay" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >To: , >Subject: Re: DJRND2 - Mede mede - Hey Papa Dave >Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 22:55:44 -0400 > >Papa Dave, > >Let me know when you want to ship the DJRND2. > >My address is: >Larry Tremblay >12824 Diamond Drive >Pineville, NC 28134 > >Thanks, >- Larry > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "PERILLE" >To: >Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2000 11:23 AM >Subject: Re : Mede mede > > > > > Hi Larry, sorry for the delay. Others have been checking out the >DJRND2. > > > If Emmanuel OK's it I will send you the DJRND2. He is on the list and >will > > > see this message. Om and Out Papa DAVe > > > > Ok Papa Dave > > > > Emmanuel > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 21 12:52:57 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA19927; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 12:52:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 12:52:57 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: landman@pop.ncal.verio.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 09:55:37 -0700 To: cummings From: landman@wco.com (Mark Landman) Subject: Mo-Fx, was Live horn looping Cc: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Resent-Message-ID: <"fHeBY3.0.bn4.gP80v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13698 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi Rob- Thanks for the reply, I have to admit I'm impressed with the "on-the-fly" midiclock sync features and "longish" delay times (around 4 seconds is pretty good for non-loop oriented device). >> Can I then change delay times without destroying the loop material? > >yes/no. the loopage is pitch-warped to the new delay time. this is what >you want, isn't it? Yes, the pitch warpage is cool, but I was wondering if the signal is "degraded" by flipping it through different delay times. Some units I'm familiar with (Eventide H3000 DSX, Digitech RDS 7.6) will "chew up" the audio significantly... So does the Mo-FX keep the original audio quality of the loop when you turn back to the 1/1 speed? And another very relative question, how does the flanger sound, typical digital cheap rack/fllor box quality, or better? Best- Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 21 13:55:40 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA25756; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 13:55:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 13:55:40 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <390092DB.DE27D36F@ix.netcom.com> Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 13:41:47 -0400 From: Dick Michaels Organization: Auctionsoup X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD47 (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Line 6 DL4-$225 References: <20000421164318.78028.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"NsyBe1.0.F96.1K90v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13699 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Got a DL4 on Consignment for $225, excellent shape COD or credit card.. Dick Michaels Rogue Music NYC http://www.roguemusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 21 13:56:07 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA25837; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 13:56:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 13:56:07 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <39009519.544F8615@best.com> Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 10:51:21 -0700 From: Allan Hoeltje X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight Subject: Contact Microphones Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Odb_1.0.pB6.HL90v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13700 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I am interested in looping acoustic sounds but don't know much about microphones. Specifically, I am really itching to set up a few wine glasses on a resonating surface and sending the sound to my Mackie 1202, FX, and EDP. Can I use a contact mike like the kind used with acoustic guitar? What characteristics/specifications do I look for in such a mike? Will it need a pre-amp? Brand names? Prices? -Allan From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 21 14:34:35 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA29669; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 14:34:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 14:34:35 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <39009F17.5E88DB36@voicenet.com> Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 14:33:59 -0400 From: Legion X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Line 6 DL4-$225 References: <20000421164318.78028.qmail@hotmail.com> <390092DB.DE27D36F@ix.netcom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"GQ-LY.0.x97.Jv90v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13701 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > Got a DL4 on Consignment for $225, excellent shape COD or credit card.. > Dick Michaels > Rogue Music NYC > http://www.roguemusic.com While I like Rogue and have bought/sold stuff there before, isn't this a high price? They are still $200 NEW from a couple sources including the online Loopers Delight buy. On top of that $225 is above the standard sales price for a new DL4 from any number of dealers 8th street begin one of them. You could get a DL4 plus the Line6 PS for around $220 plus shipping. I know some places list them higher but has anyone actually purchased one at $225 or higher? Has the priced changed recently? From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 21 15:21:50 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA01301; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 15:21:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 15:21:50 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <000701bfabc3$406fbba0$0100a8c0@urso> From: "Daniel Pezzotti" To: References: <39009519.544F8615@best.com> Subject: Re: Contact Microphones Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 20:56:06 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: <"eF5Tq1.0.9l7.BHA0v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13702 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Allan, regarding contact microphones, I often use the GLM-100 from CROWN.......a miniature omnidirectional microphone which sounds really great! And its cheap.....don't remember the price, but its not more than 100-150 dollars...thats for sure! I use it for violoncello, percussion and percussion "tools" like bottles etc. etc. There might be a webpage, but in any case here is the complete address of CROWN: Crown International Inc. P.O. Box 1000 Elkhart, IN 46515-1000 Tel: 219/294-8000 Fax: 219/294-8FAX P.S. no need for a preamp, but needs phantom power supply (no problem with Mackie1202) See you, Daniel ----- Original Message ----- From: Allan Hoeltje To: Loopers-Delight Sent: Friday, April 21, 2000 7:51 PM Subject: Contact Microphones > I am interested in looping acoustic sounds but don't know much about > microphones. Specifically, I am really itching to set up a few wine > glasses on a resonating surface and sending the sound to my Mackie 1202, > FX, and EDP. Can I use a contact mike like the kind used with acoustic > guitar? What characteristics/specifications do I look for in such a > mike? Will it need a pre-amp? Brand names? Prices? > > -Allan > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 21 15:27:30 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA01774; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 15:27:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 15:27:30 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <011a01bfabc7$974e5cc0$7a5dadc7@Douglas> From: "K. Douglas Baldwin" To: "lance glover" , Subject: Re: Oops Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 13:43:46 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"Cic1E.0.5M.2hA0v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13703 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >> >> * * * * * * * * * >> >> Listening is forgetting the name of the thing one hears. >> -- Lawrence Weschler >> >> * * * * * * * * * > >didn't he write that book about robert irwin called "seeing is forgetting >the name of the thing one sees"? Sounds like Alzheimer's disease to me... which is somewhat like looping, where, even though you are hearing the same thing over and over, it keeps sounding new. Bonus points to me for bringing this thread back on topic, eh? Douglas Baldwin, Alpha male Coyote, the Trickster dbaldwin@suffolk.lib.ny.us From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 21 17:01:25 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA09798; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 17:01:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 17:01:25 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000421203440.68371.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [204.247.186.99] From: "matt davignon" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Contact Microphones Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 13:34:40 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"S1Vz73.0.Ln1.2kB0v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13706 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com One thing about contact mics that I think warrants mentioning is that they can keep the resonating surface from resonating. You need to find a spot on the "instrument" where it will pick up the resonating sounds without interfering with them. This might be hard with wine glasses. I'm not sure how much of the sound would transfer to the base. Depending on your amplification setup, it might be better just to set up a few real microphones and isolate them from the speaker output. As far as contact mics go, I paid $80 a Dean Markley one once and thought it blew pretty hard. It made everything sound boxy. I then found one called "The Cap" (shaped like a bottle cap) made by EPM in Canada and used it until the sticky stuff would stick no more. Matt Davignon >From: Allan Hoeltje >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >To: Loopers-Delight >Subject: Contact Microphones >Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 10:51:21 -0700 > >I am interested in looping acoustic sounds but don't know much about >microphones. Specifically, I am really itching to set up a few wine >glasses on a resonating surface and sending the sound to my Mackie 1202, >FX, and EDP. Can I use a contact mike like the kind used with acoustic >guitar? What characteristics/specifications do I look for in such a >mike? Will it need a pre-amp? Brand names? Prices? > >-Allan > ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 21 17:04:38 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA10042; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 17:04:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 17:04:38 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Crossedout@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 15:53:43 EDT Subject: OT: Different Sequencer question To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 100 Resent-Message-ID: <"7HJzt3.0.p-.48B0v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13704 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Question for the more sequencer-savvy - I am working with a laptop running Cakewalk (version 4.5, just to be specific, but I can upgrade to version 8 or 9 if neccessary) and trying to run sequences into an EMU Orbit. The question is, I've heard about messages that are sent at the beginning of a track that would tell the Orbit what patches to use on each channel (i.e. bass on channel 1, drums on channel 2, etc.). What are these messages called, and how does one implement them? Thanks much - the more in depth I get with midi, the more I regret not starting to investigate it when I had access to lots of midi-heads to answer stupid questions like this!!! - Bill Crossedout@aol.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 21 17:02:37 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA09893; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 17:02:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 17:02:37 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3900B5CF.B4547702@ix.netcom.com> Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 16:10:55 -0400 From: Dick Michaels Organization: Auctionsoup X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD47 (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Line 6 DL4-$225 References: <20000421164318.78028.qmail@hotmail.com> <390092DB.DE27D36F@ix.netcom.com> <39009F17.5E88DB36@voicenet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"h7Aqf3.0.iX1.sVB0v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13705 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com The unit was like new in the box and had the optional power supply, Hadn't realized that. It is sold now. Dick Michaels Rogue Music NYC Legion wrote: > > Got a DL4 on Consignment for $225, excellent shape COD or credit card.. > > Dick Michaels > > Rogue Music NYC > > http://www.roguemusic.com > > While I like Rogue and have bought/sold stuff there before, isn't this a > high price? They are still $200 NEW from a couple sources including the > online Loopers Delight buy. On top of that $225 is above the standard sales > price for a new DL4 from any number of dealers 8th street begin one of > them. You could get a DL4 plus the Line6 PS for around $220 plus shipping. > > I know some places list them higher but has anyone actually purchased one > at $225 or higher? Has the priced changed recently? From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 21 17:21:44 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA11626; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 17:21:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 17:21:44 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000421211607.83135.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [131.107.3.85] From: "Greg S" To: References: <39009519.544F8615@best.com> <000701bfabc3$406fbba0$0100a8c0@urso> Subject: Re: Contact Microphones Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 14:15:39 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <"gWiwM.0.se2.uKC0v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13707 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Musicyo has some great prices on Shadow contact pickups. The other week I got one of models listed here: http://www.musicyo.com/product.asp?dept%5Fid=10&pf%5Fid=283 I used it on my dobro-copy and it sounds fine. Cost is under $40. Same pickup was runing for $69+ on other web-sites. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 21 18:11:47 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA15797; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 18:11:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 18:11:47 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <014301bfabda$eb0ed020$2d7579a5@cliff> From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" To: Subject: Re: Contact Microphones Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 14:45:27 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Resent-Message-ID: <"Yjp272.0.BD3.8iC0v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13708 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Although not contact mics- I have enjoyed my tiny pair of binaural mics from Core Sound- stereo and very nice- you will need to use a pre of some sort though- Cliff -----Original Message----- From: matt davignon To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Friday, April 21, 2000 2:18 PM Subject: Re: Contact Microphones >One thing about contact mics that I think warrants mentioning is that they >can keep the resonating surface from resonating. You need to find a spot on >the "instrument" where it will pick up the resonating sounds without >interfering with them. This might be hard with wine glasses. I'm not sure >how much of the sound would transfer to the base. > >Depending on your amplification setup, it might be better just to set up a >few real microphones and isolate them from the speaker output. > >As far as contact mics go, I paid $80 a Dean Markley one once and thought it >blew pretty hard. It made everything sound boxy. I then found one called >"The Cap" (shaped like a bottle cap) made by EPM in Canada and used it until >the sticky stuff would stick no more. > >Matt Davignon > > > >>From: Allan Hoeltje >>Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >>To: Loopers-Delight >>Subject: Contact Microphones >>Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 10:51:21 -0700 >> >>I am interested in looping acoustic sounds but don't know much about >>microphones. Specifically, I am really itching to set up a few wine >>glasses on a resonating surface and sending the sound to my Mackie 1202, >>FX, and EDP. Can I use a contact mike like the kind used with acoustic >>guitar? What characteristics/specifications do I look for in such a >>mike? Will it need a pre-amp? Brand names? Prices? >> >>-Allan >> > >________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 21 18:29:22 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA17327; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 18:29:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 18:29:22 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <7b.32d5542.26322f45@aol.com> Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 18:25:09 EDT Subject: Re: Non-loop content: ENO and U2 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 100 Resent-Message-ID: <"L9Nls2.0.E24.JLD0v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13709 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 4/21/00 2:32:24 PM Mid-Atlantic Daylight Time, tcn62@ici.net writes: << Without historians, we forget what's happened in the past. >> and the only historians i will trust are the ones who can loop...........michael From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 21 18:49:46 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA19393; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 18:49:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 18:49:46 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: Subject: RE: Non-loop content: ENO and U2 Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 15:48:03 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <7b.32d5542.26322f45@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: <"jUB1_3.0.5a4.MfD0v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13710 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hmm, I never met one of those, but I did have an old history teacher in high school that repeasted himself a lot. Does that count? bIz -----Original Message----- From: Nemoguitt@aol.com [mailto:Nemoguitt@aol.com] Sent: Friday, April 21, 2000 3:25 PM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Non-loop content: ENO and U2 In a message dated 4/21/00 2:32:24 PM Mid-Atlantic Daylight Time, tcn62@ici.net writes: << Without historians, we forget what's happened in the past. >> and the only historians i will trust are the ones who can loop...........michael From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 21 19:39:25 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA23959; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 19:39:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 19:39:25 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Crossedout@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 19:21:59 EDT Subject: Re: different sequencer question To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 100 Resent-Message-ID: <"ZiZRM1.0.UP5.wAE0v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13711 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thanks to everybody who replied (and damn, that was quick!!) Now I know what I'm looking for, I just have to figure out how to do it. If there is anyone who is familiar with Cakewalk specifically, please drop me a line. Thanks again. - Bill Crossedout@aol.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 21 19:30:05 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA22919; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 19:30:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 19:30:05 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Sender: r_t_cummings@compuserve.com Message-ID: <3900D4F4.7E261FDF@compuserve.com> Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 00:23:48 +0200 From: cummings X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [de] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mark Landman CC: Loopers Delight Subject: Re: Mo-Fx, was Live horn looping References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"8eRSG.0.eV5.0FE0v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13713 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com hello mark (i'll cc this to the list if you don't mind), > ... but I was wondering if the signal is > "degraded" by flipping it through different delay times. Some units I'm > familiar with (Eventide H3000 DSX, Digitech RDS 7.6) will "chew up" the > audio significantly... So does the Mo-FX keep the original audio quality of > the loop when you turn back to the 1/1 speed? yes, unfortunately there is no option to disenable the pitch warpage and audio garbling when the delay time is changed. i personally like this effect but i understand that you may not always want to have it. in general, i would consider the mo-fx to be more of a delay than a looper, in other words its more of a "processor" than a "storage" unit. > And another very relative question, how does the flanger sound, typical > digital cheap rack/fllor box quality, or better? the flanger sounds very clean and "scientific". i've never owned a flanger before so i can't directly compare it ... but i would say that this is a pretty unique flanger. it can go from very extreme to very subtle. PLUS it allows you to do "manual flanging" by disengaging the midi sync and setting the sweep time to infinity. you need your hands to do this, of course. ba-ba, rob From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 21 19:56:53 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA25670; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 19:56:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 19:56:53 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Sender: r_t_cummings@compuserve.com Message-ID: <3900DF63.3D6965F9@compuserve.com> Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 01:08:19 +0200 From: cummings X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [de] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Non-loop content: ENO and U2 References: <20000421040150.90836.qmail@hotmail.com> <38FFDB74.EA8DFC60@home.com> <390050F6.891F64E8@compuserve.com> <001d01bfaba7$9a46e9d0$1a310140@concentric.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"jwwng.0.7W5.CFE0v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13714 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com ok, larry this is my last post on this one ... i'm not a musicologist. if musicology is your field, then more power to you. besides, my "research" time is devoted to actually making music. i'm provoking you mr. tremblay: do you actually make music? you're full of opinions but i never read any posts from you concerning the actual creation of music. maybe they're on the way ... :-) situation for anybody: you're at a friends place and he puts on a new cd. can you sit and listen to it without asking to see the liner notes? or do you read the liner notes while the music is playing? do you need to know that the bass player used to play with so-and-so and that the producer brought out three country albums in the 60's? sorry fellow listers for having lost my composure and engaging this know-it-all. i really should NOT have known better myself! anyway, this is not a list for bad philosophy. rob From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 21 19:56:58 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA25679; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 19:56:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 19:56:58 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Sender: r_t_cummings@compuserve.com Message-ID: <3900DA1C.E7635973@compuserve.com> Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 00:45:48 +0200 From: cummings X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [de] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Live horn looping References: <390047A7.E0E99761@compuserve.com> <002c01bfaba6$2270ec90$8f368218@fatcatbox> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"SEgEY.0.bV5.0FE0v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13712 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com that's the electrix mo-fx, sorry about cutting that bit out in trying to save the bandwidth. rob Om_Audio schrieb: > > > All well and done but what piece of equipment are you referring to might I > ask? Sounds interesting- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 21 20:20:15 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA28315; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 20:20:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 20:20:15 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <00cc01bfabee$22c70e20$417cb2d0@computer> From: "Petr Dolak" To: Subject: Looping in South Ohio Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 20:02:58 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="x-user-defined" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: <"xeni-3.0.CO6.klE0v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13716 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com a quiet concert with looping content SLOWness: celebration of a slower life by Petr Dolak, guitars, percussion, sound making stuff, looping ATHENS April 22, 8 pm Unitarian Fellowship of Athens 184 Longview Heights Road, Athens OH BELLAIRE (near St. Clairsville) April 29, 7 pm Unitarian Universalist Church of the Ohio Valley 66166 Kirkwood Heights Road, Bellaire, OH questions? email pepetr@crnet.net From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 21 20:25:13 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA28794; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 20:25:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 20:25:13 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Sender: r_t_cummings@compuserve.com Message-ID: <3900E403.3A2197C4@compuserve.com> Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 01:28:03 +0200 From: cummings X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [de] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Non-loop content: ENO and U2 References: <20000421040150.90836.qmail@hotmail.com> <38FFDB74.EA8DFC60@home.com> <390050F6.891F64E8@compuserve.com> <001d01bfaba7$9a46e9d0$1a310140@concentric.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"ZP3Iq1.0.Wu5.0SE0v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13715 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com your name belongs at the end of that list. rob Larry Tremblay schrieb: > Musicology is like history (not be confused with > post-structuralist or marxist 'her-story'). Those > who are ignorant of it are doomed to repeat it. > Or attempt to revise it for their own ends (ala > Stalin, Hitler, Farrakhan, Flava Flav). From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 21 20:26:38 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA28961; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 20:26:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 20:26:38 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <000e01bfabe8$8320f200$240454d2@Thorgal> From: "tb" To: Subject: Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 09:22:50 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000B_01BFAC3C.543F19E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"X65HD3.0.0_6.F4F0v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13717 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01BFAC3C.543F19E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable hello I have the opportunity to buy an echoplex with foot pedal for = aus$2000 Is it still the best live looping tool? Whats the story with support and developments ? are people still writing for it casue I remember that there were some = buttons on it that had not yet received funtions? thanks trevor=20 bondi beach Australia ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01BFAC3C.543F19E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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Is it still the best live looping=20 tool?
Whats the story with support and = developments=20 ?
are people still writing for it = casue I remember=20 that there were some buttons on it that had not yet received=20 funtions?
 
thanks
 
trevor
bondi beach
Australia
 
------=_NextPart_000_000B_01BFAC3C.543F19E0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 21 20:51:21 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA31780; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 20:51:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 20:51:21 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <001001bfabf2$98089d80$8bc4efd1@oemcomputer> From: "Stuart Sovatsky" To: Subject: list etiquette Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 17:34:17 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="x-user-defined" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"ngquw.0.sG7.AFF0v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13718 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com looper etiquette squad: is posting one's own upcoming gigs on this list considered bad taste, or welcomed heartily by all? thnx for an answer From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 21 20:49:40 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA31625; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 20:49:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 20:49:40 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <001101bfabf4$6400b0c0$8f368218@we.mediaone.net> From: "Om_Audio" To: References: <000e01bfabe8$8320f200$240454d2@Thorgal> Subject: Re: Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 17:47:52 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000E_01BFABB9.B7358260" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"IkkD71.0.7f7.lPF0v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13720 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01BFABB9.B7358260 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Couldn't you buy it from Alto in NY for much cheaper? Sounds like a lot = of dough but I don't know exchange rates so... but yes- the EDP is THE looper to have IMO although the joy of looping = can be had in MANY pieces of less sophisticated gear- i.e. Jam Man, PDS = 8000, multi pedals by Zoom etc. Cliff ----- Original Message -----=20 From: tb=20 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com=20 Sent: Friday, April 21, 2000 4:22 PM hello I have the opportunity to buy an echoplex with foot pedal for = aus$2000 Is it still the best live looping tool? Whats the story with support and developments ? are people still writing for it casue I remember that there were some = buttons on it that had not yet received funtions? =20 thanks =20 trevor=20 bondi beach Australia =20 ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01BFABB9.B7358260 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Couldn't you buy it from Alto in NY for = much=20 cheaper? Sounds like a lot of dough but I don't know exchange rates=20 so...
but yes- the EDP is THE looper to have = IMO although=20 the joy of looping can be had in MANY pieces of less sophisticated gear- = i.e.=20 Jam Man, PDS 8000, multi pedals by Zoom etc.
 
Cliff
 
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hello I have the opportunity to = buy an=20 echoplex with foot pedal for aus$2000
Is it still the best live looping=20 tool?
Whats the story with support and = developments=20 ?
are people still writing for it = casue I=20 remember that there were some buttons on it that had not yet received=20 funtions?
 
thanks
 
trevor
bondi beach
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------=_NextPart_000_000E_01BFABB9.B7358260-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 21 20:50:28 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA31721; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 20:50:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 20:50:28 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <000701bfabf4$0d71e080$8f368218@we.mediaone.net> From: "Om_Audio" To: "Loopers List" Subject: Request for next version of EDP software Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 17:45:27 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"rSCKV3.0.Pa7.WNF0v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13719 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is mainly intended to be a message for Kim and Andres but I thought I'd better post some Loop related content to the list before I get flamed! ;) I am wondering if there would be a way to have an indicator of tempo or somehow make smaller divisions of the loop signal indicator light- For instance when I have a long loop going it would be nice to have the light flash more than just at the beginning of the loop- to somehow make it flash in even divisions of the loop or to flash 3 times before it flashes the One- or maybe have it just count 10 flashes before 1 irrespective of the loop length- like 1 second intervals 10x and 10 is the beginning again- Thanks and I hope you are not pulling your hair out with EDP repair questions- I somehow think you've done plenty of that as of late- Cliff From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 21 21:09:09 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA01296; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 21:09:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 21:09:09 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <000701bfabf5$18d961e0$8f368218@we.mediaone.net> From: "Om_Audio" To: "Loopers List" Subject: EDP soft request Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 17:52:55 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"AOdys3.0.3n7.WUF0v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13721 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com ...while I'm requesting- - - Could there be a way to have midi sync on the fly? like if you were to plug in a drum machine with a loop going and then start a drum pattern and have it synch to the EDP loop? That would be sweet- Cliff From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 21 21:22:49 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA02467; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 21:22:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 21:22:49 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <002001bfabf7$ae6b4280$6998e0d8@unit1> From: "Bill Dickson" To: Subject: Echoplex Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 18:10:16 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001D_01BFABBC.D857D760" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"Yj5hX1.0.VF.TiF0v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13722 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01BFABBC.D857D760 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello, I've just joined the list, and this past week became a new owner of the = Gibson Echoplex Digital Pro. Could someone find the answer to my problem. When I've set: Moreloops = to 2, AutoRecord to ON, LoopCopy-OFF, SwitchQuant-CYC, = LoopTrig-48,Velocity-ON,SampleStyle to RUN, and the MuteMode to StA, and = I'm sampling a "AABA" tune, what happens is: the first A part records = fine (as I want it to repeat) and plays again, but when I use NEXTLOOP = to record the "B" (bridge), and punch Record to end that, it always = plays the bridge twice. When I end that same Loop trying to use the = NextLoop key to end it, it gives me L1/2 things that I don't understand. Any help wood sure me before I try to put this in Live Use. Thank you Bill ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01BFABBC.D857D760 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello,
 
I've just joined the list, and this past week became = a new=20 owner of the Gibson Echoplex Digital Pro.
Could someone find the answer to my problem.  = When I've=20 set: Moreloops to 2, AutoRecord to ON, LoopCopy-OFF, SwitchQuant-CYC,=20 LoopTrig-48,Velocity-ON,SampleStyle to RUN, and the MuteMode to StA, and = I'm=20 sampling a "AABA" tune, what happens is:  the first A part records = fine (as=20 I want it to repeat) and plays again, but when I use NEXTLOOP to record = the "B"=20 (bridge), and punch Record to end that, it always plays the bridge = twice. When I=20 end that same Loop trying to use the NextLoop key to end it, it gives me = L1/2=20 things that I don't understand.
Any help wood sure me before I try to put this in = Live=20 Use.
Thank you
 
Bill
------=_NextPart_000_001D_01BFABBC.D857D760-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 21 21:16:10 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA01916; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 21:16:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 21:16:10 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 21:09:20 -0400 (EDT) From: Unit Circle Media To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: list etiquette In-Reply-To: <001001bfabf2$98089d80$8bc4efd1@oemcomputer> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: unitcirc@keys.com Resent-Message-ID: <"iwsIj1.0.oK.9lF0v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13723 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com As a rule, I don't post my gigs to lists that aren't local in nature. I don't care if you do, just make sure that the city name and PROMO appear in the subject so that the 99% of us who aren't within 100s of miles of your gig can delete your message immediately. Kevin Kevin Goldsmith kevin@unitcircle.com Unit Circle Media http://www.unitcircle.com/ On Fri, 21 Apr 2000, Stuart Sovatsky wrote: > looper etiquette squad: is posting one's own upcoming gigs on this list > considered bad taste, or welcomed heartily by all? thnx for an answer > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 21 22:12:40 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA07623; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 22:12:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 22:12:40 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: Subject: RE: EDP soft request Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 19:08:23 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <000701bfabf5$18d961e0$8f368218@we.mediaone.net> Resent-Message-ID: <"VXol71.0.ng1.BbG0v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13724 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com It does synch if you start it up and then stop it and start it again. I've done this a number of times with songs on my SP-808. bIz -----Original Message----- From: Om_Audio [mailto:clifsound@mediaone.net] Sent: Friday, April 21, 2000 5:53 PM To: Loopers List Subject: EDP soft request ...while I'm requesting- - - Could there be a way to have midi sync on the fly? like if you were to plug in a drum machine with a loop going and then start a drum pattern and have it synch to the EDP loop? That would be sweet- Cliff From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 21 22:45:56 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA10473; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 22:45:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 22:45:56 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <000b01bfac02$ca174d20$8f368218@we.mediaone.net> From: "Om_Audio" To: References: Subject: Re: EDP soft request Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 19:30:56 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"z04es2.0.aB2.TwG0v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13725 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com "start it up and then stop it and start it again" please clarify- I'm using and old DR-5 Cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: Sent: Friday, April 21, 2000 7:08 PM Subject: RE: EDP soft request > It does synch if you start it up and then stop it and start it again. I've > done this a number of times with songs on my SP-808. > > bIz > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Om_Audio [mailto:clifsound@mediaone.net] > Sent: Friday, April 21, 2000 5:53 PM > To: Loopers List > Subject: EDP soft request > > > ...while I'm requesting- - - > > Could there be a way to have midi sync on the fly? like if you were to plug > in a drum machine with a loop going and then start a drum pattern and have > it synch to the EDP loop? That would be sweet- > > Cliff > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Apr 22 00:25:54 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA20332; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 00:25:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 00:25:54 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "future perfect" To: Subject: RE: list etiquette Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 00:10:40 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: <"28T9o3.0.M94.dJI0v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13726 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Me either, considering there are maybe 2 people on this list who are remotely close by. Maybe a better idea would be to find out which loopers are in your area (somehow) and invite them privately. Dave Eichenberger- guitars.loops.devices http://home1.gte.net/artmusic/dave > > As a rule, I don't post my gigs to lists that aren't local in nature. I > don't care if you do, just make sure that the city name and PROMO appear > in the subject so that the 99% of us who aren't within 100s of miles of > your gig can delete your message immediately. > > Kevin > > > > Kevin Goldsmith kevin@unitcircle.com > Unit Circle Media http://www.unitcircle.com/ > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Apr 22 00:52:19 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA24162; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 00:52:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 00:52:19 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <002501bfac11$14d86250$51310140@concentric.net> From: "Larry Tremblay" To: References: <20000421040150.90836.qmail@hotmail.com> <38FFDB74.EA8DFC60@home.com> <390050F6.891F64E8@compuserve.com> <001d01bfaba7$9a46e9d0$1a310140@concentric.net> <3900E403.3A2197C4@compuserve.com> Subject: Re: Non-loop content: ENO and U2 : OK, whatever... Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 00:13:13 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"fXGBy1.0.AE4.1OI0v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13727 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > your name belongs at the end of that list. > > rob Rob - Throw a wider net. You'll catch more fish. - Larry ----- Original Message ----- From: "cummings" To: Sent: Friday, April 21, 2000 7:28 PM Subject: Re: Non-loop content: ENO and U2 > your name belongs at the end of that list. > > rob > > Larry Tremblay schrieb: > > > Musicology is like history (not be confused with > > post-structuralist or marxist 'her-story'). Those > > who are ignorant of it are doomed to repeat it. > > Or attempt to revise it for their own ends (ala > > Stalin, Hitler, Farrakhan, Flava Flav). > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Apr 22 02:50:17 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA01323; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 02:50:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 02:50:17 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <015101bfac27$03928820$ef02fea9@swbell.net> From: "hideo" To: References: <00fe01bfaae9$a8688ff0$5d310140@concentric.net> Subject: Re: . . . and U2--BUY the sound! (commercial post-Bono would NOTapprove) Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 01:50:13 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <"AcNmH2.0.qG.-hK0v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13728 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com ahem . . . couldn't resist posting this crass commercial announcement on the heels of this riveting thread . . . Korg SDD-3300 for sale or trade--two rack space triple digital delay/sampler unit with ~500ms of delay time for delay and ~1000ms of sampling time (each delay functions as a sampling unit as well--somehat hard to come by. The glory of this baby is that the SDD has an internal mixer which allows any or all of the delays to be modulated by each other as well as mixing their audio together. Each delay also has its own separate input and output on the back panel, plus two internal LFOs , independent high and low-pass filters and the phase of the modulation is invertable. Mindf*ck possibilities. The unit also responds to sysex messages for various control over midi. Used by the Edge of U2, if you care. see Harmony Central for user raves http://www.harmony-central.com/Effects/Data/Korg/SDD_3300-01.html I've other toys that I need to sell to pay for . . . what else . . . more gear :) Arp monosynths, Marantz portable cassette deck, effects pedals, MIDI boxes etc e-mail privately for a list end of capitalist transmission . . . back to lurk Tom Lambrecht hideo@concentric.net ----- Original Message ----- From: Larry Tremblay To: ; Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2000 11:58 AM Subject: Re: Negativland on tour...ENO and U2 > First of all let me say I like much of U2's music. > But for the record, Eno saved U2's floundering career. > This is a well-documented historical fact. > > U2's association with Eno was *Eno's idea* - he heard something > he liked that he knew could be B-I-G with the right amount of > coaxing. > > Regarding the Edge's guitar style, I remember reading > an interview in Guitar Player or somewhere with one > of those dime-a-dozen Satriani/Vai/ sound-alike speed-virtuosi here> geetarists. The > interviewer played a little U2/Edge music and asked > him what he thought about his style. The trog said, > "I don't hear it" (TRANSLATION: Where are the 500 mph > Mixilodian scales, ProCo distorto-box, and erzatz-Halen > power-dives? ANSWER: Up your myopic dinosaur ass.) > > For the 'youngins' out there, The Edge was once considered a > neo-psychedelia reverb-monger (a good thing at the time) > along the lines of Echo & the Bunnymen and Teardrop > Explodes. > > So..., it took a visionary like Eno to bring U2, and the > Edge, to where they are today, commercially and technically. > > -Larry T > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mike Biffle" > To: ; > Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2000 11:42 AM > Subject: Re: Negativland on tour... > > > > >>> "X-ray" 04/19 11:34 PM >>> > > >>non-mentioning of the fact that it was ENO that came up with the > > whole idea with the TV screens/satellite access and all, Again, credit > > placed where not deserved. > > > > > Hmmmm. Not sure I agree. U2 has quite often given credit to Eno > > for the initial concept of that tour (even in the tour program). > > Certainly the band were the "directors" of the production whereas Eno > > was the one who wrote the 1st draft of the script (sorry for the > > analogy). I'm not sure it's fair to > > suggest that it was Eno's baby and U2 were just along for the ride. > > > > I remember Bono saying something like... "We finally have enough > > money to do such a bloated grandiose thing... Why not? If not us, then > > who?" I think he's correct in that statement... they were huge, had > > the capability, so they went for it and staged an incredible, very > > successful production. For it's sheer scope, it was certainly the most > > modern and hi-tech I've seen to date. Sure beats the Stones bloated > > retro machine... > > > > >>Then I saw U2 making scads of money making music that sounded like > > someone elses' work > > > > > Just out of curiosity, other than the rootsier Joshua Tree/Rattle > > and Hum period, who do you find them to be imitating??? Again, just > > curious. > > > > I think it became popular to disinherit U2 due to their tremendous > > success... The Edge managed to assemble several existing simple guitar > > techniques into a cohesive style... and has continued to experiment > > far more than your average rock star type does... His stuff on Pop is > > really cool... Great sounds... it is ROCK music... If you can't hack > > rock, then sure... they probably suck for you. But I think U2 is a > > great ROCK band... They benefitted a lot from their association with > > Eno. > > > > -Miko > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Apr 22 03:09:36 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA02932; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 03:09:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 03:09:36 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 00:00:57 -0700 From: Kim Flint Subject: RE: list etiquette In-reply-to: X-Sender: kflint@annihilist.com (Unverified) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: Resent-Message-ID: <"X6BSm1.0.lb.jwK0v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13729 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Don't forget, we have the performances section of the LD website where you can post your upcoming gigs: http://www.annihilist.com/loop/gigs/performances.html kim > Me either, considering there are maybe 2 people on this list who are >remotely close by. Maybe a better idea would be to find out which loopers >are in your area (somehow) and invite them privately. > >Dave Eichenberger- guitars.loops.devices >http://home1.gte.net/artmusic/dave > > >> >> As a rule, I don't post my gigs to lists that aren't local in nature. I >> don't care if you do, just make sure that the city name and PROMO appear >> in the subject so that the 99% of us who aren't within 100s of miles of >> your gig can delete your message immediately. >> >> Kevin >> >> >> >> Kevin Goldsmith kevin@unitcircle.com >> Unit Circle Media http://www.unitcircle.com/ >> >> >> ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Apr 22 03:19:28 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA03512; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 03:19:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 03:19:28 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 00:12:59 -0700 From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Request for next version of EDP software In-reply-to: <000701bfabf4$0d71e080$8f368218@we.mediaone.net> X-Sender: kflint@annihilist.com (Unverified) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"RZzZW1.0.Bp.K6L0v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13730 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 5:45 PM -0700 4/21/00, Om_Audio wrote: >This is mainly intended to be a message for Kim and Andres ^^^^^^ you mean Matthias. :-) >I am wondering if there would be a way to have an indicator of tempo or >somehow make smaller divisions of the loop signal indicator light- >For instance when I have a long loop going it would be nice to have the >light flash more than just at the beginning of the loop- to somehow make it >flash in even divisions of the loop or to flash 3 times before it flashes >the One- or maybe have it just count 10 flashes before 1 irrespective of the >loop length- like 1 second intervals 10x and 10 is the beginning again- and: >...while I'm requesting- - - > >Could there be a way to have midi sync on the fly? like if you were to plug >in a drum machine with a loop going and then start a drum pattern and have >it synch to the EDP loop? That would be sweet- We're waaaaay ahead of you Cliff. You're going to be a happy guy. :-) >Thanks and I hope you are not pulling your hair out with EDP repair >questions- I somehow think you've done plenty of that as of late- my hair doesn't come out so much as turn gray. I think I may be able to pass for the senior rate at the movie theater now. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Apr 22 04:02:32 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA06781; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 04:02:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 04:02:32 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 00:38:34 -0700 From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Echoplex In-reply-to: <002001bfabf7$ae6b4280$6998e0d8@unit1> X-Sender: kflint@annihilist.com (Unverified) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"rD0Jd2.0.QK1.IWL0v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13731 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 6:10 PM -0700 4/21/00, Bill Dickson wrote: > Hello, I've just joined the list, and this past week became a new >owner of the Gibson Echoplex Digital Pro. Could someone find the answer to >my problem. When I've set: Moreloops to 2, AutoRecord to ON, >LoopCopy-OFF, SwitchQuant-CYC, LoopTrig-48,Velocity-ON,SampleStyle to >RUN, and the MuteMode to StA, and I'm sampling a "AABA" tune, what >happens is: the first A part records fine (as I want it to repeat) and >plays again, but when I use NEXTLOOP to record the "B" (bridge), and >punch Record to end that, it always plays the bridge twice. When I end >that same Loop trying to use the NextLoop key to end it, it gives me L1/2 >things that I don't understand. Any help wood sure me before I try to put >this in Live Use. Thank you Bill Hello Bill, welcome. Your question is answered in the Echoplex FAQ: http://www.annihilist.com/loop/tools/echoplex/FAQ.html There is a whole section just for multiple loops and loop switching. (FAQ page 9.) This question is down towards the bottom, but you will undoubtedly find many other answers and helpful tips in there. I'd answer here, but I think you will learn a lot more if I force you to go check out all the other info on the web page. ;-) kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Apr 22 04:19:09 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA08074; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 04:19:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 04:19:09 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <01e101bfac31$3ee2f720$ef02fea9@swbell.net> From: "hideo" To: References: <00fe01bfaae9$a8688ff0$5d310140@concentric.net> Subject: Re: ...ENO and U2 (slightly OT) Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 03:03:28 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <"Fz3aS1.0.4d1.fmL0v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13732 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com when U2 was touring the states immediately following the first album (and pretty much unknown outside of college radio where I was spending my free time as promotions manager), I brought them to Washington University's Graham Chapel where they played all the soungs on the album and then REPEATED several of them for encores--word was that they could barely play their instruments at that point in their career) this to a packed house of about 100 students I fondly think back to that tiem of innocence whenever I see them playing Wembley or Madison Square Garden or whatever . . . and of course my intro to Eno was as the chameleonish sound-wash man in Roxy Music . . . Tom Lambrecht hideo@concentric.net From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Apr 22 05:38:57 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA13332; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 05:38:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 05:38:57 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <00c801bfac3b$ccd19b40$0525fed8@swirlee.speakeasy.org> From: "Jan P" To: Subject: Re: Request for next version of EDP software Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 02:19:02 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"IWhDy3.0.My2.BxM0v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13733 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >I am wondering if there would be a way to have an indicator of tempo or >somehow make smaller divisions of the loop signal indicator light- >For instance when I have a long loop going it would be nice to have the >light flash more than just at the beginning of the loop- to somehow make it Yea, the ability to subdivide looptimes imho important if you are working in rhythmic material not purely soundscape. This is why my fripp~ multichannel variablespeed looper external [ding] for the max platform... has a metronome output. Once I get off the skateboard to return to the uppermind [time linearities aside], I think I'll package a version with maxplay for people who have a mac and want to do live arbitrarylength looping. will post again. thanks for makin me feel like we're on a collective groove. PS I'm also interested in bay area jams. as media im sitting with piano improv, voice, didje and electronics ]1 owerbook[ emersonlakepalmer/kingcrimson/pinkfloyd/rageagainstmachine/ 3eb/deep forest/angelique kidjo/orbital circa 1990/beheadtheprophet .. mishmash style unimportant. hearing silent voices . unmanifest. they demand incarnation. PPS www.indymedia.org in lake'ch -jan -----Original Message----- From: Om_Audio To: Loopers List Date: Friday, April 21, 2000 5:49 PM Subject: Request for next version of EDP software >This is mainly intended to be a message for Kim and Andres but I thought I'd >better post some Loop related content to the list before I get flamed! ;) > >I am wondering if there would be a way to have an indicator of tempo or >somehow make smaller divisions of the loop signal indicator light- >For instance when I have a long loop going it would be nice to have the >light flash more than just at the beginning of the loop- to somehow make it >flash in even divisions of the loop or to flash 3 times before it flashes >the One- or maybe have it just count 10 flashes before 1 irrespective of the >loop length- like 1 second intervals 10x and 10 is the beginning again- > >Thanks and I hope you are not pulling your hair out with EDP repair >questions- I somehow think you've done plenty of that as of late- > >Cliff > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Apr 22 05:46:46 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA13846; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 05:46:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 05:46:46 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <00cd01bfac3d$53179460$0525fed8@swirlee.speakeasy.org> From: "Jan P" To: Subject: Re: EDP soft request Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 02:29:56 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"heTNB2.0.Y43.Q5N0v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13734 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com ... great ideas.. they would require either realtime pitchshiftablerecord or a realtime timestretch, neither of which is going to be easy to implement in DSP code [EDP]. Advantage- Max platform & 3 weeks of nonlinear development yielded me your idea in software-- slave synchronizable looping. I can feel the collective need for this kind of expression, where the composer becomes the conductor and the collaborator in a live orchestra with many inputminds. Without becoming too focussed on the tools, I'm moving in this direction. Of course, all tools will be shared opensource w/ caveats this is not industrially driven.. does not conform to notions of linear time or nonsustainable economic progress. anyway, i'm heading for the woods ;shortmountain; to celebrate roots;beltane;. thanks again for more inspiration to continue on this confusing path. blessings. jan -----Original Message----- From: Om_Audio To: Loopers List Date: Friday, April 21, 2000 5:53 PM Subject: EDP soft request >...while I'm requesting- - - > >Could there be a way to have midi sync on the fly? like if you were to plug >in a drum machine with a loop going and then start a drum pattern and have >it synch to the EDP loop? That would be sweet- > >Cliff > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Apr 22 11:53:51 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA05961; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 11:53:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 11:53:51 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "future perfect" To: Subject: RE: EDP soft request Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 11:30:21 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <00cd01bfac3d$53179460$0525fed8@swirlee.speakeasy.org> Resent-Message-ID: <"4x_Sq3.0.kp.qGS0v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13735 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com While we are talking about the software update again, is the half-speed option in there? It has been awhile since some of the updates were discussed, so I don't remember if that was going to be in the update. And whats the ETA, anyway? Dave Eichenberger- guitars.loops.devices http://home1.gte.net/artmusic/dave From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Apr 22 12:27:31 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA08767; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 12:27:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 12:27:31 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 13:16:52 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: RE: EDP soft request Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <"hiPJA3.0.ok1.AyS0v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13736 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > While we are talking about the software update again, is the half-speed >option in there? yes! ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Apr 22 12:48:23 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA10615; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 12:48:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 12:48:23 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <006701bfac78$280c2200$8f368218@we.mediaone.net> From: "Om_Audio" To: References: Subject: Re: Request for next version of EDP software Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 09:31:05 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"DG9sD1.0.hC2.yDT0v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13737 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hot Damn! Now I'm excited! Apologies to Mattias~ Thanks Kim- Cliff P.S. You ever heard of "Just For Men"? ;) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kim Flint" > We're waaaaay ahead of you Cliff. You're going to be a happy guy. :-) > my hair doesn't come out so much as turn gray. I think I may be able to > pass for the senior rate at the movie theater now. > > kim > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html > http://www.annihilist.com/ | > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Apr 22 14:31:50 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA19109; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 14:31:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 14:31:50 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <001a01bfac88$b3d6ed00$8f368218@we.mediaone.net> From: "Om_Audio" To: References: Subject: Re: EDP soft request Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 11:29:31 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"2NePI.0.3b4.-yU0v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13738 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Ooooh boy- I am all hot and bothered- is there a rough ETA on these babies? Cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matthias Grob" To: Sent: Saturday, April 22, 2000 9:16 AM Subject: RE: EDP soft request > > While we are talking about the software update again, is the half-speed > >option in there? > > yes! > > > > > ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Apr 22 21:56:49 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA17506; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 21:56:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 21:56:49 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: APerson7531@aol.com Message-ID: <63.4986f99.2633aae2@aol.com> Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 21:24:50 EDT Subject: hi To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Mac - Post-GM sub 147 Resent-Message-ID: <"jWENN1.0.mm3.84b0v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13739 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Happy to join your "Looping" community Does anyone have anything special to say? Peace to everyone MOtley From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Apr 23 09:47:02 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA16228; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 09:47:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2000 09:47:02 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000423132937.77035.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [165.227.130.29] From: "David Potter" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: hi Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2000 06:29:37 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"a5cBQ.0.Lf3.Zhl0v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13740 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com How do you manifest your loopage? Om and Out >From: APerson7531@aol.com >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Subject: hi >Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 21:24:50 EDT > >Happy to join your "Looping" community >Does anyone have anything special to say? >Peace to everyone >MOtley > ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Apr 23 11:57:36 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA25286; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 11:57:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2000 11:57:36 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <008e01bfad3c$9c1aac60$fba765ce@uday.gw1.dot.net.in> From: "Udayan Choudhury" To: Subject: Re: Different Sequencer question Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2000 20:54:29 +0530 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"ov8S63.0.206.whn0v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13741 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hello Mr. Bill, I am a very humble music enthusiast from North-East India and I know very little about the stuffs which are discussed here but I think you are probably talking about 'system exclusive messages'. You should find information about implementation of this messages in the manual of your sound source- in this case, the orbit. (Sorry! I am hearing that name for the first time and would like to know more about it) In Cakewalk, you can also store this messages in the system exclusive banks which are provided just for this purpose. regards to all, Uday. -----Original Message----- From: Crossedout@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Saturday, April 22, 2000 3:27 AM Subject: OT: Different Sequencer question >Question for the more sequencer-savvy - > >I am working with a laptop running Cakewalk (version 4.5, just to be >specific, but I can upgrade to version 8 or 9 if neccessary) and trying to >run sequences into an EMU Orbit. > >The question is, I've heard about messages that are sent at the beginning of >a track that would tell the Orbit what patches to use on each channel (i.e. >bass on channel 1, drums on channel 2, etc.). What are these messages called, >and how does one implement them? > >Thanks much - the more in depth I get with midi, the more I regret not >starting to investigate it when I had access to lots of midi-heads to answer >stupid questions like this!!! > >- Bill >Crossedout@aol.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Apr 23 13:33:54 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA32631; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 13:33:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2000 13:33:54 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <000401bfae11$36925520$9baa5cd1@-> From: "Bill Fox" To: Cc: Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #161 Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 13:06:50 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"sXWAz1.0.0b7.T_o0v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13742 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com [ Best viewed with a fixed spacing font. ] EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ. Show #161 April 20, 2000. On this show, I continued the month-long focus on the second annual NEARfest, North East Art Rock Festival in Bethlehem, Pennsylvania. The Feature CD at Midnight was As the World by Echolyn on the SONY 550 Music label. Echolyn, along with Priam, will be performing on Preview Night at Crockodile Rock on Friday, June 16. The music of Ian Boddy was played in support of his upcoming concert at The Gathering on May 6, 2000. NEARfest http://wdiyfm.org/emusic/playlists/2000/focus00.html#apr Crockodile Rock http://www.crocodilerockcafe.com Ian Boddy http://www.din.org.uk The Gathering http://www.thegatherings.org ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== 11:04 pm Ramp Damage Frozen Radios (none) VA [Navigator] Third Rail Floating Gift (Invisible Shadows) Intelligentsia The Grand Design Federation (Groove) Meg Bowles Shapeshifter From the Dark Earth (Kumatone) Ian Boddy & Chris Carter Disembodied Caged (DiN) Robert Carty Spiral Nebula Pleteaus of Ether (Deep Sky) Chuck Wild Unity Liquid Mind IV: Unity (CWR) 12:00 am Echolyn All Ways the Same As the World (SONY 550 Music) Echolyn As the World As the World (SONY 550 Music) Echolyn Uncle As the World (SONY 550 Music) Echolyn How Long I Have Waited As the World (SONY 550 Music) Echolyn Best Regards As the World (SONY 550 Music) Echolyn The Cheese Stands Alone As the World (SONY 550 Music) Echolyn Prose As the World (SONY 550 Music) Echolyn A Short Essay As the World (SONY 550 Music) Echolyn My Dear Wormwood As the World (SONY 550 Music) Echolyn Entry 11/19/93 As the World (SONY 550 Music) Echolyn One for the Show As the World (SONY 550 Music) Echolyn The Wiblet As the World (SONY 550 Music) Echolyn Audio Verite As the World (SONY 550 Music) Echolyn Settled Land As the World (SONY 550 Music) 1:00 am * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) On the next EMUSIC, I'll conclude the month-long focus on the second annual NEARfest, The feature CD at midnight will be a compilation disc of NEARfest artists supplied by NEARfest president, Rob LaDuca. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Apr 23 18:53:26 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA22537; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 18:53:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2000 18:53:26 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <39037D6C.6D4AC4D0@inreach.com> Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2000 15:47:15 -0700 From: eric X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Different Sequencer question References: <008e01bfad3c$9c1aac60$fba765ce@uday.gw1.dot.net.in> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"O1-FI1.0.IQ5.srt0v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13743 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Udayan Choudhury wrote: > I am a very humble music enthusiast from North-East India. Hello to Udayan! Glad you're with us. I love India. Cheers, eobe From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Apr 23 21:34:55 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA02366; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 21:34:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2000 21:34:55 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <004901bfad8b$43c05200$537cb2d0@computer> From: "Petr Dolak" To: Subject: Re: list etiquette (from the guilty one) Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2000 21:19:24 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="x-user-defined" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: <"zjg-q2.0.3F.74w0v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13744 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I am sorry if I was crossed over the line. I saw announcements of various gigs on the list many times before, so I did it too. I thought the line is whether the gig is about looping or not. If I caused "bad taste" to anyone, I apologize. petr From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Apr 23 21:53:57 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA05923; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 21:53:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2000 21:53:57 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000424015056.46807.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [165.227.137.167] From: "David Potter" To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Subject: tape cartridge for Roland RE 201? Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2000 18:50:56 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"JxoIe3.0.RO1.XYw0v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13746 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I am still looking for a tape cartridge for a Roland Space Echo RE 201. I tried several sites but no luck. Any one have a clue as to where I could get one to get this puppy up and looping. Om and out Papa Dave >From: "swol" >Reply-To: "swol" >To: "papadave55@hotmail.com" >CC: "juju" >Subject: Re: Request to Musicians-Gear >Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2000 22:34:03 +0200 > >On Sat, 22 Apr 2000 23:10:17 +0200 (CEST), papadave55@hotmail.com wrote: > > > > >Email papadave55@hotmail.com > >Name Dave Potter > > Repairs > > > >I need a tape cartridge for a Roland Space Echo RE201. Do you have it? >Om and Out Papa Dave > > >sorry, cannot help > >Best Regards, Nicolas Keim > > >Currency(Money)-Converter >for all countries at : http://www.oanda.com/converter/classic?lang=en > >Import Guide at: http://www.musicians-gear.com/exp/impguid.htm >Voltage Guide at: http://www.musicians-gear.com/exp/voltagegu.htm >Warranty Guide at: http://www.musicians-gear.com/exp/warranty.htm > > ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Apr 23 21:55:26 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA06805; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 21:55:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2000 21:55:26 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhRa8Y/AzIwsFyp8yCiLRBh3eFtAvQIVAJE4cCaatl+sDWPYtfDwkD/ycQmQ From: jordanpease@webtv.net (Jordan Pease) Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2000 18:38:40 -0700 (PDT) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Instructional video Message-ID: <9974-3903A5A0-9084@storefull-116.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Resent-Message-ID: <"rwUGe3.0.ef.YMw0v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13745 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I just received my new Echoplex, and as a former Jamman user am very excited about this powerful new tool. However, the manual is disappointing. I asked Kim if an instructional video is/will be available. Anybody else got any ideas ? Thanks. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Apr 23 22:51:14 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA14479; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 22:51:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2000 22:51:14 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3903B6D5.57ED112D@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2000 19:52:23 -0700 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: list etiquette (from the guilty one) References: <004901bfad8b$43c05200$537cb2d0@computer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Gyyc4.0.YU3.ONx0v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13747 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Petr Dolak wrote: > I am sorry if I was crossed over the line. I saw announcements of various > gigs on the list many times before, so I did it too. I thought the line is > whether the gig is about looping or not. If I caused "bad taste" to anyone, > I apologize. > > petr gee, i usually enjoy seeing people's gigs announced. tho it probably would be good to indicate in the subject line that it's a (how does it go?) shameless self-promotion so those who aren't interested can trash & continue... my 2 cents lance g. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Apr 23 23:30:26 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA17665; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 23:30:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2000 23:30:26 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000424032701.25163.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [152.163.204.186] From: "kameleyon" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Echoplex, etc, on Ebay Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2000 20:27:01 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"08_pX2.0.RF4.byx0v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13749 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hello all, since I live/work on a cruise ship and don't really use it anymore, my Echoplex is up on Ebay for any interested partys. http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=316454254 Also, my Beheringer Autocom, Behringer Virtualizer, Lexicon MPX-100, and Sabine Rack tuner are all up on Ebay, starting tonight. All in excellent condition and barely used. Thanks all... _________________________________ Joshua D. Pickenpaugh Bassist, Composer, Teacher http://www.chameleonsound.net ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Apr 23 23:39:08 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA18720; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 23:39:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2000 23:39:08 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Jax1723@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2000 23:20:52 EDT Subject: tape cartridge for Roland RE 201? To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 70 Resent-Message-ID: <"lB7-22.0.EA4.usx0v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13748 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com My understanding is that they are not available... you either have to find a broken 201 somewhere and hopefully salvage the cartridge from it; or if it's just that the tape itself is worn out you can try splicing together a fresh bit of 1/4in. tape (just make sure you cut it on an angle). if I'm wrong and they are still available please let me know (I'd also really like to find a cartridge for the maestro sirecho but I won't hold my breath on that one). good luck jack >I am still looking for a tape cartridge for a Roland Space Echo RE 201. >I tried several sites but no luck. Any one have a clue as to where I could >get one to get this puppy up and looping. Om and out Papa Dave From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Apr 23 23:57:15 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA20105; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 23:57:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2000 23:57:15 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <001501bfad9f$4c5c83c0$5df538cb@steve> From: "Steven Woods" To: References: <000401bfae11$36925520$9baa5cd1@-> Subject: Re: EMUSIC Playlist #161 Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 13:43:46 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"c9VlW3.0.2e4.w9y0v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13750 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Bill Fox, Can you unsubscribe me from this spam I don't live in USA and I don't want to receive this. 2nd request. I suscribed to Kims list BUT not yours. Steven ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Fox" To: Cc: Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2000 3:06 AM Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #161 > [ Best viewed with a fixed spacing font. ] > > EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, airs each Thursday > at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in > Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ. > > Show #161 April 20, 2000. > > On this show, I continued the month-long focus on the second annual > NEARfest, North > East Art Rock Festival in Bethlehem, Pennsylvania. The Feature CD at > Midnight > was As the World by Echolyn on the SONY 550 Music label. Echolyn, along > with Priam, > will be performing on Preview Night at Crockodile Rock on Friday, June 16. > > The music of Ian Boddy was played in support of his upcoming concert at The > Gathering on May 6, 2000. > > NEARfest > http://wdiyfm.org/emusic/playlists/2000/focus00.html#apr > Crockodile Rock http://www.crocodilerockcafe.com > Ian Boddy http://www.din.org.uk > The Gathering http://www.thegatherings.org > > > ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) > ======================= ======================== > ============================== > 11:04 pm > Ramp Damage Frozen Radios (none) > VA [Navigator] Third Rail Floating Gift (Invisible Shadows) > Intelligentsia The Grand Design Federation (Groove) > Meg Bowles Shapeshifter From the Dark Earth > (Kumatone) > Ian Boddy & Chris Carter Disembodied Caged (DiN) > Robert Carty Spiral Nebula Pleteaus of Ether (Deep > Sky) > Chuck Wild Unity Liquid Mind IV: Unity (CWR) > > 12:00 am > Echolyn All Ways the Same As the World (SONY 550 > Music) > Echolyn As the World As the World (SONY 550 > Music) > Echolyn Uncle As the World (SONY 550 > Music) > Echolyn How Long I Have Waited As the World (SONY 550 > Music) > Echolyn Best Regards As the World (SONY 550 > Music) > Echolyn The Cheese Stands Alone As the World (SONY 550 > Music) > Echolyn Prose As the World (SONY 550 > Music) > Echolyn A Short Essay As the World (SONY 550 > Music) > Echolyn My Dear Wormwood As the World (SONY 550 > Music) > Echolyn Entry 11/19/93 As the World (SONY 550 > Music) > Echolyn One for the Show As the World (SONY 550 > Music) > Echolyn The Wiblet As the World (SONY 550 > Music) > Echolyn Audio Verite As the World (SONY 550 > Music) > Echolyn Settled Land As the World (SONY 550 > Music) > > 1:00 am > > * = exerpt > VA = Various Artists (compilation) > > On the next EMUSIC, I'll conclude the month-long focus on the second annual > NEARfest, > The feature CD at midnight will be a compilation disc of NEARfest artists > supplied > by NEARfest president, Rob LaDuca. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Apr 24 00:18:53 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA23191; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 00:18:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 00:18:53 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 14:12:00 +1000 X-Sender: simon@mail.dynamite.com.au Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20000424015056.46807.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Simon Subject: Re: tape cartridge for Roland RE 201? Cc: papadave55@hotmail.com Resent-Message-ID: <"1p1s-2.0.TH5.Rcy0v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13751 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Have you asked your local Roland dealer, they should be able to order one from Roland for you. Simon Canberra AUSTRALIA >I am still looking for a tape cartridge for a Roland Space Echo RE 201. >I tried several sites but no luck. Any one have a clue as to where I could >get one to get this puppy up and looping. Om and out Papa Dave > > > >>From: "swol" >>Reply-To: "swol" >>To: "papadave55@hotmail.com" >>CC: "juju" >>Subject: Re: Request to Musicians-Gear >>Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2000 22:34:03 +0200 >> >>On Sat, 22 Apr 2000 23:10:17 +0200 (CEST), papadave55@hotmail.com wrote: >> >> > >> >Email papadave55@hotmail.com >> >Name Dave Potter >> > Repairs >> > >> >I need a tape cartridge for a Roland Space Echo RE201. Do you have it? >>Om and Out Papa Dave >> > >>sorry, cannot help >> >>Best Regards, Nicolas Keim >> >> >>Currency(Money)-Converter >>for all countries at : http://www.oanda.com/converter/classic?lang=en >> >>Import Guide at: http://www.musicians-gear.com/exp/impguid.htm >>Voltage Guide at: http://www.musicians-gear.com/exp/voltagegu.htm >>Warranty Guide at: http://www.musicians-gear.com/exp/warranty.htm >> >> > >________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Apr 24 01:01:56 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA29907; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 01:01:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 01:01:56 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3903D562.9EF450FF@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2000 22:03:03 -0700 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: EMUSIC Playlist #161 References: <000401bfae11$36925520$9baa5cd1@-> <001501bfad9f$4c5c83c0$5df538cb@steve> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"WbzVn.0.gB7.cHz0v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13754 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Steven Woods wrote: > Bill Fox, > Can you unsubscribe me from this spam > > I don't live in USA and I don't want to receive this. > 2nd request. > I suscribed to Kims list BUT not yours. > Steven > apologies for barging in, but i hope you understand that bill fox emails his playlist to the looper's delight list. it is not a separate list. you are not personally being singled out for spamming. everyone on this list gets a copy of it; some like it, some don't. in the interest of free speech (and since the music bill promotes is likely more on topic than a lot of what gets posted here) i'd recommend you simply use a filter if you don't wish to see it in your mail. more of my 2 cents. lance g. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Apr 24 01:04:40 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA30336; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 01:04:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 01:04:40 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Crossedout@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 00:58:16 EDT Subject: Re: Different Sequencer question To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 100 Resent-Message-ID: <"zv5Ol1.0.6D7.FIz0v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13755 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sorry for that post - I didn't realize it was going to the whole list. shoot me now, Kim. - Bill Crossedout@aol.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Apr 24 00:54:37 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA29105; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 00:54:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 00:54:37 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <001d01bfada6$58d20b00$5df538cb@steve> From: "Steven Woods" To: References: Subject: Re: tape cartridge for Roland RE 201? Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 14:34:14 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"izvdG.0.Oe6.Cvy0v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13752 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Maybe you should try vintage supply dealers Roland hasnt made tape echo's for many years Steven Good to see a fellow Australian ----- Original Message ----- From: "Simon" To: Cc: Sent: Monday, April 24, 2000 2:12 PM Subject: Re: tape cartridge for Roland RE 201? > Have you asked your local Roland dealer, they should be able to order one > from Roland for you. > > Simon > Canberra > AUSTRALIA > > > >I am still looking for a tape cartridge for a Roland Space Echo RE 201. > >I tried several sites but no luck. Any one have a clue as to where I could > >get one to get this puppy up and looping. Om and out Papa Dave > > > > > > > >>From: "swol" > >>Reply-To: "swol" > >>To: "papadave55@hotmail.com" > >>CC: "juju" > >>Subject: Re: Request to Musicians-Gear > >>Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2000 22:34:03 +0200 > >> > >>On Sat, 22 Apr 2000 23:10:17 +0200 (CEST), papadave55@hotmail.com wrote: > >> > >> > > >> >Email papadave55@hotmail.com > >> >Name Dave Potter > >> > Repairs > >> > > >> >I need a tape cartridge for a Roland Space Echo RE201. Do you have it? > >>Om and Out Papa Dave > >> > > >>sorry, cannot help > >> > >>Best Regards, Nicolas Keim > >> > >> > >>Currency(Money)-Converter > >>for all countries at : http://www.oanda.com/converter/classic?lang=en > >> > >>Import Guide at: http://www.musicians-gear.com/exp/impguid.htm > >>Voltage Guide at: http://www.musicians-gear.com/exp/voltagegu.htm > >>Warranty Guide at: http://www.musicians-gear.com/exp/warranty.htm > >> > >> > > > >________________________________________________________________________ > >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Apr 24 01:11:22 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA31516; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 01:11:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 01:11:22 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3903D7F8.6BA402B4@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2000 22:14:07 -0700 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Instructional video References: <9974-3903A5A0-9084@storefull-116.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"1UL1f1.0.Gc7.0Sz0v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13756 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Jordan Pease wrote: > I just received my new Echoplex, and as a former Jamman user am very > excited about this powerful new tool. However, the manual is > disappointing. I asked Kim if an instructional video is/will be > available. and he said...? > Anybody else got any ideas ? Thanks. have you tried the faq pages in the looper's site? they're at: http://www.annihilist.com/loop/tools/echoplex/FAQ.html also, ranting at this list can often bring positive results :-) lance g. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Apr 24 01:25:22 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA32428; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 01:25:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 01:25:22 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Crossedout@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 00:56:26 EDT Subject: Re: Different Sequencer question To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 100 Resent-Message-ID: <"0dOEI1.0.U97.VGz0v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13753 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 4/23/00 10:57:46 AM Central Daylight Time, uday@gw1.vsnl.net.in writes: << You should find information about implementation of this messages in the manual of your sound source- in this case, the orbit. (Sorry! I am hearing that name for the first time and would like to know more about it) >> The Orbit is an EMU sound module, they have put out 5 that I know of in a series, the first three were the Orbit, Planet Phatt and Carnival, each of which have 600+ patches optimized for techno/dance, hiphop and Latin styles, respectively. Recently they came out with an upgraded Planet Phatt called the Mo'Phatt, and another one that's more techno style patches, the name of which escapes me. But you should be able to find them on the web, just search for an EMU web site. The Orbit and Planet Phatt seemed pretty similar, I just needed some good sounds and the place I was shopping at had a demo model of the Orbit that I could afford!! But it's packed with good stuff..... <> I know it'll do it, I just am having a problem finding out how to do it in the manual. I'm not super familiar with Midi and sequencing, I'm coming from a guitar background instead of a keyboard background, so it's a little tough for me, as well as the fact that different manufacturers write their manuals in totally different ways, using different phrases and words to acheive the same ends.... it gets frustrating sometimes! Anyway, thanks much for your input. If you have any other questions about the Orbit, let me know and I'll try to answer!! - Bill Crossedout@aol.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Apr 24 01:41:32 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA01761; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 01:41:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 01:41:32 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 15:38:58 +1000 X-Sender: simon@mail.dynamite.com.au Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <001d01bfada6$58d20b00$5df538cb@steve> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Simon Subject: Re: tape cartridge for Roland RE 201? Resent-Message-ID: <"roo793.0.CN.ytz0v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13759 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com They havn't made tape echos for many years, but they still might stock the tapes as spare parts, I'm not really sure though. If not, couldn't you just use any tape that is the same width? Just splice the ends together into a loop. The Roland tapes come in a little plastic 'cartridge', but the tape is just loaded into the machine and the plastic 'cartridge' isn't used after that. Simon Canberra AUSTRALIA >Maybe you should try vintage supply dealers Roland hasnt made tape echo's >for many years >Steven >Good to see a fellow Australian >> Have you asked your local Roland dealer, they should be able to order one >> from Roland for you. >> >> Simon >> Canberra >> AUSTRALIA >> >I am still looking for a tape cartridge for a Roland Space Echo RE 201. >> >I tried several sites but no luck. Any one have a clue as to where I >could >> >get one to get this puppy up and looping. Om and out Papa Dave >> >> >I need a tape cartridge for a Roland Space Echo RE201. Do you have >it? >> >>Om and Out Papa Dave >> >>sorry, cannot help >> >> >> >>Best Regards, Nicolas Keim From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Apr 24 01:40:00 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA01591; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 01:40:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 01:40:00 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3903DD55.4FB4C323@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2000 22:37:05 -0700 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: open reel deck looping? References: <39009519.544F8615@best.com> <000701bfabc3$406fbba0$0100a8c0@urso> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"RSPVq2.0.xD.Qnz0v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13757 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com anyone? i just inherited a fostex model 20 1/4" open reel deck. looping tool or bookend? (it looks nice enough, and i've got room in my studio to have it just sit there, but if i could make it earn its keep somehow when i 'm tired of checking the edp faqs for simple answers to stupid questions, it would be nice). (just don't say "well, if it was a revox...") lance g. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Apr 24 01:50:55 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA02406; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 01:50:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 01:50:55 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: SketchyJoe@aol.com Message-ID: <65.373a43a.263536e8@aol.com> Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 01:34:32 EDT Subject: DT recomendation, was: Instructional video To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 106 Resent-Message-ID: <"K8oYF3.0.HI.Cqz0v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13758 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com For anybody on the list who has not seen the video, I do highly recommend Meister Torn's instructional video "Painting with the Guitar". For some people, it will be a great explanation of many concepts that we all deal with. I've sprung this video on my less experimental musician friends, who have since realized the potential of sound, looped or not. Thank you Mr. Torn, and I patiently await my check :-). Also, as less of revenant point, I recommend Bill Frisell's video, if at least for the entertainment value of watching an amazing musician simultaneously explain looping and feel completely uncomfortable in front of a camera at the same time. Haven't we all been there in one sense or another? Later! Joe P.S. : sorry Lance for sending this message to you twice (hit the wrong button at the wrong time) From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Apr 24 02:58:52 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA08150; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 02:58:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 02:58:52 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <01cf01bfadba$c8f2f070$45310140@concentric.net> From: "Larry Tremblay" To: , References: <39009519.544F8615@best.com> <000701bfabc3$406fbba0$0100a8c0@urso> <3903DD55.4FB4C323@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: open reel deck looping? Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 03:00:32 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"oVWUJ3.0.fy1.O0_0v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13761 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com You an use any reel to reel for looping. The Revox is just a *nice to have* for it's simplicity and quality. I still prefer the sound and tactile simplicity of analog looping over digital. Gino wong - who's an LD member - sent me a spare loop arm he had lying around which is very useful for setting up loops of varying length. I imagine these can be salvaged from broken recorders. Check the archives under "loop arm". November 1999, I think. BTW, Gino - I figured out the mic clip thing for holding the loop arm. Works like a charm! I have a few new ideas for an adjustable tapeloop device based on David Keane's excellent book, "Tape Music Composition" (1980). - Larry > anyone? > > i just inherited a fostex model 20 1/4" open reel deck. looping tool or > bookend? (it looks nice enough, and i've got room in my studio to have it > just sit there, but if i could make it earn its keep somehow when i 'm tired > of checking the edp faqs for simple answers to stupid questions, it would be > nice). > > (just don't say "well, if it was a revox...") > > lance g. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Apr 24 03:00:34 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA08326; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 03:00:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 03:00:34 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <01b301bfadb8$f2980520$45310140@concentric.net> From: "Larry Tremblay" To: References: Subject: Re: tape cartridge for Roland RE 201? Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 02:47:23 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"cYRQg2.0.Yg1.3q-0v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13760 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Note that the 1/4" (nearly) tape used for the 201 is the lubricated type. Normal "dry" tape will not work. - Larry T ----- Original Message ----- From: "Simon" To: Sent: Monday, April 24, 2000 1:38 AM Subject: Re: tape cartridge for Roland RE 201? > They havn't made tape echos for many years, but they still might stock the > tapes as spare parts, I'm not really sure though. > > If not, couldn't you just use any tape that is the same width? Just splice > the ends together into a loop. > > The Roland tapes come in a little plastic 'cartridge', but the tape is just > loaded into the machine and the plastic 'cartridge' isn't used after that. > > Simon > Canberra > AUSTRALIA > > > >Maybe you should try vintage supply dealers Roland hasnt made tape echo's > >for many years > >Steven > >Good to see a fellow Australian > > >> Have you asked your local Roland dealer, they should be able to order one > >> from Roland for you. > >> > >> Simon > >> Canberra > >> AUSTRALIA > > >> >I am still looking for a tape cartridge for a Roland Space Echo RE 201. > >> >I tried several sites but no luck. Any one have a clue as to where I > >could > >> >get one to get this puppy up and looping. Om and out Papa Dave > > >> >> >I need a tape cartridge for a Roland Space Echo RE201. Do you have > >it? > >> >>Om and Out Papa Dave > > > >> >>sorry, cannot help > >> >> > >> >>Best Regards, Nicolas Keim > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Apr 24 03:33:35 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA10731; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 03:33:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 03:33:35 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 17:31:20 +1000 X-Sender: simon@mail.dynamite.com.au Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <01cf01bfadba$c8f2f070$45310140@concentric.net> References: <39009519.544F8615@best.com> <000701bfabc3$406fbba0$0100a8c0@urso> <3903DD55.4FB4C323@earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Simon Subject: Re: open reel deck looping? Resent-Message-ID: <"35mZp2.0.aa2.HX_0v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13762 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com A friend of mine uses a couple of reel-to-reels for all his music sequencing/recording, he can't afford a sampler and/or computer. He sequences by cutting up individual notes and drum hits on the tape, and then joins them together into loops. These loops are his sequences. To keep things in time he draws a graph on a piece of paper so that he knows how long each note/beat/sequence/etc. should be, showing him where to cut the tape. His reel-to-reel has an old telescopic radio antenna attached to the front, with something on top of the antenna for the tape to 'roll' over, and he extends the antenna upwards to hold the loop tight. He runs these loops on a two track reel-to-reel and then records them onto a 4 track reel-to-reel to allow layering/multi-tracking of multiple loops/sequences. He has 'racks' on the wall with all his tape loops hanging on them. Total lo-fi sampling/looping, it's really amazing what he does with it. It really gives a loose feel, seemingly more 'organic' and 'real' than computer based sequencing. Simon Canberra AUSTRALIA >You an use any reel to reel for looping. The Revox is >just a *nice to have* for it's simplicity and quality. > >I still prefer the sound and tactile simplicity of analog >looping over digital. > >Gino wong - who's an LD member - sent me a spare loop arm >he had lying around which is very useful for setting up >loops of varying length. I imagine these can be salvaged >from broken recorders. > >Check the archives under "loop arm". November 1999, I >think. > >BTW, Gino - I figured out the mic clip thing for holding >the loop arm. Works like a charm! I have a few new ideas for >an adjustable tapeloop device based on David Keane's excellent >book, "Tape Music Composition" (1980). > >- Larry > >> anyone? >> >> i just inherited a fostex model 20 1/4" open reel deck. looping tool or >> bookend? (it looks nice enough, and i've got room in my studio to have it >> just sit there, but if i could make it earn its keep somehow when i 'm >tired >> of checking the edp faqs for simple answers to stupid questions, it would >be >> nice). >> >> (just don't say "well, if it was a revox...") >> >> lance g. >> >> From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Apr 24 04:20:59 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA14703; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 04:20:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 04:20:59 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <001701bfadc4$2d5bcf10$45310140@concentric.net> From: "Larry Tremblay" To: References: <39009519.544F8615@best.com><000701bfabc3$406fbba0$0100a8c0@urso> <3903DD55.4FB4C323@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: open reel deck looping? Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 04:07:45 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"T5LFO.0.AJ3.u__0v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13764 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > A friend of mine uses a couple of reel-to-reels for all his music > sequencing/recording, he can't afford a sampler and/or computer. > Yep, one of the origins of sampling and sequencing, and it still works great. Sounds better, too, IMHO. > He sequences by cutting up individual notes and drum hits on the tape, and > then joins them together into loops. These loops are his sequences. Does anyone remember the pre-digital era records called Drum Drops? This series of LP's contained real cheesy studio-recorded drum tracks of *realdrums* in a variety of styles. They were called Drum Drops because you basically 'dropped them into the rhythm track' on tape, building up a complete drum track 2 to 4 measures at a time, i.e., a sequence of drum samples. > To keep things in time he draws a graph on a piece of paper so that he > knows how long each note/beat/sequence/etc. should be, showing him where to > cut the tape. > > His reel-to-reel has an old telescopic radio antenna attached to the front, > with something on top of the antenna for the tape to 'roll' over, and he > extends the antenna upwards to hold the loop tight. > > He runs these loops on a two track reel-to-reel and then records them onto > a 4 track reel-to-reel to allow layering/multi-tracking of multiple > loops/sequences. > > He has 'racks' on the wall with all his tape loops hanging on them. > > Total lo-fi sampling/looping, it's really amazing what he does with it. > > It really gives a loose feel, seemingly more 'organic' and 'real' than > computer based sequencing. > I agree. Tape is still one of the most rewarding, if time consuming, methods of looping and sampling. Some things are actually easier to do with tape. - Larry T > > > > >You an use any reel to reel for looping. The Revox is > >just a *nice to have* for it's simplicity and quality. > > > >I still prefer the sound and tactile simplicity of analog > >looping over digital. > > > >Gino wong - who's an LD member - sent me a spare loop arm > >he had lying around which is very useful for setting up > >loops of varying length. I imagine these can be salvaged > >from broken recorders. > > > >Check the archives under "loop arm". November 1999, I > >think. > > > >BTW, Gino - I figured out the mic clip thing for holding > >the loop arm. Works like a charm! I have a few new ideas for > >an adjustable tapeloop device based on David Keane's excellent > >book, "Tape Music Composition" (1980). > > > >- Larry > > > >> anyone? > >> > >> i just inherited a fostex model 20 1/4" open reel deck. looping tool or > >> bookend? (it looks nice enough, and i've got room in my studio to have it > >> just sit there, but if i could make it earn its keep somehow when i 'm > >tired > >> of checking the edp faqs for simple answers to stupid questions, it would > >be > >> nice). > >> > >> (just don't say "well, if it was a revox...") > >> > >> lance g. > >> > >> > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Apr 24 04:15:34 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA14370; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 04:15:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 04:15:34 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <000e01bfae51$9c8e03c0$b18909d2@mpx.com.au> From: "cameron" To: References: <20000424015056.46807.qmail@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: tape cartridge for Roland RE 201? Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 18:00:08 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: <"MP12c3.0.l33.kv_0v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13763 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Howdy Dave. I just sold 17 tape cartrigdes, I threw in two RE.501's for comedy reasons. Anyway. I have 1 cartridge left. The catch is, I live in Australia. They call it down under cause it's the arse end. Where the hell are you. I can send it to u if u want. You sound in despirate need. ----- Original Message ----- From: David Potter To: Sent: Sunday, April 23, 2000 6:50 PM Subject: tape cartridge for Roland RE 201? > I am still looking for a tape cartridge for a Roland Space Echo RE 201. > I tried several sites but no luck. Any one have a clue as to where I could > get one to get this puppy up and looping. Om and out Papa Dave > > > > >From: "swol" > >Reply-To: "swol" > >To: "papadave55@hotmail.com" > >CC: "juju" > >Subject: Re: Request to Musicians-Gear > >Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2000 22:34:03 +0200 > > > >On Sat, 22 Apr 2000 23:10:17 +0200 (CEST), papadave55@hotmail.com wrote: > > > > > > > >Email papadave55@hotmail.com > > >Name Dave Potter > > > Repairs > > > > > >I need a tape cartridge for a Roland Space Echo RE201. Do you have it? > >Om and Out Papa Dave > > > > >sorry, cannot help > > > >Best Regards, Nicolas Keim > > > > > >Currency(Money)-Converter > >for all countries at : http://www.oanda.com/converter/classic?lang=en > > > >Import Guide at: http://www.musicians-gear.com/exp/impguid.htm > >Voltage Guide at: http://www.musicians-gear.com/exp/voltagegu.htm > >Warranty Guide at: http://www.musicians-gear.com/exp/warranty.htm > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Apr 24 04:59:06 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA17505; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 04:59:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 04:59:06 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhRs6AURfpqsyoFekvQjM074JMJJswIUXxykCWkJLY5NW7VGp1EwW95AXjQ= From: DanKoontz@webtv.net (Dan Koontz) Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 01:55:19 -0700 (PDT) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: open reel deck looping? Message-ID: <504-39040BF7-8860@storefull-163.iap.bryant.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: Simon 's message of Mon, 24 Apr 2000 17:31:20 +1000 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Resent-Message-ID: <"G6DfA1.0.LD4.wl01v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13765 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Where or how did your friend learn how to do analog tape sequencing / looping? Thanks, Dan From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Apr 24 05:48:59 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA21428; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 05:48:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 05:48:59 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <005e01bfadcf$734069e0$50a765ce@uday.gw1.dot.net.in> From: "Udayan Choudhury" To: Subject: Re: Different Sequencer question Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 14:50:19 +0530 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"jFnBN3.0.Yg4.M511v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13766 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com My sincere thanks to Eric ! Uday. -----Original Message----- From: eric To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Monday, April 24, 2000 4:58 AM Subject: Re: Different Sequencer question > > >Udayan Choudhury wrote: > >> I am a very humble music enthusiast from North-East India. > >Hello to Udayan! >Glad you're with us. >I love India. >Cheers, >eobe > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Apr 24 06:00:39 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA22228; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 06:00:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 06:00:39 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 19:55:43 +1000 X-Sender: simon@mail.dynamite.com.au Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <504-39040BF7-8860@storefull-163.iap.bryant.webtv.net> References: Simon 's message of Mon, 24 Apr 2000 17:31:20 +1000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Simon Subject: Re: open reel deck looping? Resent-Message-ID: <"EOAxa1.0.BK5.de11v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13767 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >Where or how did your friend learn how to do analog tape sequencing / >looping? >Thanks, > Dan Not sure, I'll ask him next time I catch up with him. He's really creative anyway, he probably read about the technique somewhere and just taught himself through the need/desire to get something going dirt cheap. Simon Canberra AUSTRALIA From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Apr 24 08:30:45 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA32084; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 08:30:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 08:30:45 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Texture444@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 08:13:07 EDT Subject: Re: DT recomendation, was: Instructional video To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 161 Resent-Message-ID: <"KNxg3.0.cS7.tf31v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13768 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com sketchy, thanks for the endorsement of me (now old, i'm afraid) video; personally, i really wish it had been more loop-comprehensive/focussed--- & i wish that it hadn't been shot all in one day, a day... by the by... on which i was recovering from the type of seizure to which i's occasionally subjected: i was feelin' *really* funky..... also: some time back, there was some chitchat twixt kim, gibson & meself re: producing an EDP instructavid; obviously, it never happened. while i still haven't plumbed the plumbable depths of the *current* EDP software: --(i'm sure that many of y'all take much deeper advantage of the beast's capabilities)-- i'd still be interested in such an event-production, esp. if it were in collaboration w/a more knowledgeable sort than i; ie, kim or someone else. ruminating: as usual. dt >For anybody on the list who has not seen the video, I do highly recommend >Meister Torn's instructional video "Painting with the Guitar". For some >people, it will be a great explanation of many concepts that we all deal >with. I've sprung this video on my less experimental musician friends, >who have since realized the potential of sound, looped or not. > > Thank you Mr. Torn, and I patiently await my check :-). From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Apr 24 09:58:07 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA07520; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 09:58:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 09:58:07 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <022001bfadf3$487b46c0$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: Subject: Re: tape cartridge for Roland RE 201? Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 08:44:59 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"IqW0B.0.yh1.1551v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13769 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I used to own one these puppies and, as I recall, I cut my own tapes loops using regular "dry" tapes. They seemed to work OK. I'd give it a try; tape is cheap. As Simon says, just splice it at an angle. Try a short loop first. >Note that the 1/4" (nearly) tape used for the 201 is the >lubricated type. Normal "dry" tape will not work. Dennis Leas ----------------------------- dennis@mdbs.com -----Original Message----- From: Larry Tremblay To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Monday, April 24, 2000 2:02 AM Subject: Re: tape cartridge for Roland RE 201? > >- Larry T >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Simon" >To: >Sent: Monday, April 24, 2000 1:38 AM >Subject: Re: tape cartridge for Roland RE 201? > > >> They havn't made tape echos for many years, but they still might stock the >> tapes as spare parts, I'm not really sure though. >> >> If not, couldn't you just use any tape that is the same width? Just splice >> the ends together into a loop. >> >> The Roland tapes come in a little plastic 'cartridge', but the tape is >just >> loaded into the machine and the plastic 'cartridge' isn't used after that. >> >> Simon >> Canberra >> AUSTRALIA >> >> >> >Maybe you should try vintage supply dealers Roland hasnt made tape echo's >> >for many years >> >Steven >> >Good to see a fellow Australian >> >> >> Have you asked your local Roland dealer, they should be able to order >one >> >> from Roland for you. >> >> >> >> Simon >> >> Canberra >> >> AUSTRALIA >> >> >> >I am still looking for a tape cartridge for a Roland Space Echo RE >201. >> >> >I tried several sites but no luck. Any one have a clue as to where I >> >could >> >> >get one to get this puppy up and looping. Om and out Papa Dave >> >> >> >> >I need a tape cartridge for a Roland Space Echo RE201. Do you have >> >it? >> >> >>Om and Out Papa Dave >> >> >> >> >>sorry, cannot help >> >> >> >> >> >>Best Regards, Nicolas Keim >> >> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Apr 24 10:09:59 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA09275; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 10:09:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 10:09:59 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <025301bfadf4$ed46aa40$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: Subject: Re: list etiquette Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 08:56:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"nN42K2.0.m-1.3G51v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13771 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >looper etiquette squad: is posting one's own upcoming gigs on this list >considered bad taste, or welcomed heartily by all? thnx for an answer I, speaking only for myself, welcome all gig announcements. Even if I can't road-trip to a fellow loopist's gig, it's encouraging to hear about them. It motivates me and maybe other players to get out of the basement and DO IT! Besides, there's so few announcements that it consumes little bandwidth. Dennis Leas ----------------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Apr 24 10:01:16 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA07980; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 10:01:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 10:01:16 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <024b01bfadf4$0650b040$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: Subject: Re: Looping in South Ohio Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 08:50:17 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"YoGyY.0.Ro1._951v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13770 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I'm fortunate to have a copy of Petr's CD and I can atest to it's fineness. Highly enjoyable! Good gigging, Petr! Wish I could be there! Dennis Leas ----------------------------- dennis@mdbs.com -----Original Message----- From: Petr Dolak To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Friday, April 21, 2000 7:26 PM Subject: Looping in South Ohio >a quiet concert with looping content > >SLOWness: celebration of a slower life >by Petr Dolak, guitars, percussion, sound making stuff, looping > >ATHENS April 22, 8 pm >Unitarian Fellowship of Athens >184 Longview Heights Road, Athens OH > >BELLAIRE (near St. Clairsville) April 29, 7 pm >Unitarian Universalist Church of the Ohio Valley >66166 Kirkwood Heights Road, Bellaire, OH > >questions? email pepetr@crnet.net > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Apr 24 10:45:46 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA12999; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 10:45:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 10:45:46 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: panix3.panix.com: tonobung owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 10:28:56 -0400 (EDT) From: "r. dennis" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: tape cartridge for Roland RE 201? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"au3ec2.0.Ro2.he51v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13773 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com yo. i've heard differing opinions re: the type of tape used. some say 1/4". some say "same as 8 track carts"... anyone got the real skinny? rolling yr own wld seem to be the way to go. rbrt On Mon, 24 Apr 2000, Simon wrote: > They havn't made tape echos for many years, but they still might stock the > tapes as spare parts, I'm not really sure though. > > If not, couldn't you just use any tape that is the same width? Just splice > the ends together into a loop. > > The Roland tapes come in a little plastic 'cartridge', but the tape is just > loaded into the machine and the plastic 'cartridge' isn't used after that. > > Simon > Canberra > AUSTRALIA > > > >Maybe you should try vintage supply dealers Roland hasnt made tape echo's > >for many years > >Steven > >Good to see a fellow Australian > > >> Have you asked your local Roland dealer, they should be able to order one > >> from Roland for you. > >> > >> Simon > >> Canberra > >> AUSTRALIA > > >> >I am still looking for a tape cartridge for a Roland Space Echo RE 201. > >> >I tried several sites but no luck. Any one have a clue as to where I > >could > >> >get one to get this puppy up and looping. Om and out Papa Dave > > >> >> >I need a tape cartridge for a Roland Space Echo RE201. Do you have > >it? > >> >>Om and Out Papa Dave > > > >> >>sorry, cannot help > >> >> > >> >>Best Regards, Nicolas Keim > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Apr 24 10:46:34 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA13074; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 10:46:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 10:46:34 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: panix3.panix.com: tonobung owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 10:26:40 -0400 (EDT) From: "r. dennis" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: tape cartridge for Roland RE 201? In-Reply-To: <20000424015056.46807.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"1k83d1.0.8e2.hc51v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13772 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com i got a cart for my sre 555 at dr. sound in nyc - they were making them but may have stopped now. when is someone gonna manufacture a space-echo re-ish? with contemp. componants they'd clean up! ;) rbrt On Sun, 23 Apr 2000, David Potter wrote: > I am still looking for a tape cartridge for a Roland Space Echo RE 201. > I tried several sites but no luck. Any one have a clue as to where I could > get one to get this puppy up and looping. Om and out Papa Dave > > > > >From: "swol" > >Reply-To: "swol" > >To: "papadave55@hotmail.com" > >CC: "juju" > >Subject: Re: Request to Musicians-Gear > >Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2000 22:34:03 +0200 > > > >On Sat, 22 Apr 2000 23:10:17 +0200 (CEST), papadave55@hotmail.com wrote: > > > > > > > >Email papadave55@hotmail.com > > >Name Dave Potter > > > Repairs > > > > > >I need a tape cartridge for a Roland Space Echo RE201. Do you have it? > >Om and Out Papa Dave > > > > >sorry, cannot help > > > >Best Regards, Nicolas Keim > > > > > >Currency(Money)-Converter > >for all countries at : http://www.oanda.com/converter/classic?lang=en > > > >Import Guide at: http://www.musicians-gear.com/exp/impguid.htm > >Voltage Guide at: http://www.musicians-gear.com/exp/voltagegu.htm > >Warranty Guide at: http://www.musicians-gear.com/exp/warranty.htm > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Apr 24 11:10:02 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA15694; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 11:10:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 11:10:02 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: KILLINFO@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 10:40:44 EDT Subject: Bill Frisell's video? To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 146 Resent-Message-ID: <"Dkna23.0.A33.Dq51v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13774 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Questions., questions. What video might that be? Who puts it out. Where might it be available... ...and for how much? Thanks, T Killian From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Apr 24 11:09:04 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA15584; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 11:09:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 11:09:04 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <004a01bfadfc$88bfd3a0$36c5efd1@oemcomputer> From: "Stuart Sovatsky" To: Subject: No Calif live/loop gig announcemt Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 07:51:07 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0047_01BFADC1.D9554240" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"7Cld-1.0.wQ3.uz51v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13775 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0047_01BFADC1.D9554240 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable - For loopers who want to know -- otherwise, last chance to hit delete -- = thanx stuart AXiS MUNDi TranceFusion Chant Band invites you to=20 First-Press Prana - Rites of Spring Live Music - Dancing - Kundalini Yoga - Visuals=20 Saturday, April 29th 8:00 pm $12.00 TUVA Performance Space 510-655-9755 3192 Adeline St. Berkeley Ashby Exit onto Ashby-Right onto Martin Luther King- Corner Bldg.@1st Light where MLK becomes Adeline. Based on Devotional Yearning and Spontaneously Arising Sound,=20 AXIS MUNDI takes the ancient Kundalini Chant tradition into quantum=20 dimensions with Sonic-Shamanic effects as the human voice explores the Wisdom Beyond Language and merges with a pulsing trance-rhythm stream. This unique music creates a Resonant Energy Field for Ecstatic = Experience. Join us to participate in the COHERENT SQUEEZE as we=20 Celebrate The Rebirth of The Light. Wear your Dancing Shoes=20 and Festive MayDay Attire, and be prepared to BE IN SPIN. =20 axis Mundi Stuart Sovatsky - Sonic Chant Sondra Slade - Producer/Percussion Susie Goldenstein - Percussion Travis Wernet - Didjeridoo Cathryn Calderon - Ecstatic Dance with INTERACTIVE MEDIA by Uncle Puzzle Sacred Space by Auntie Matter=20 =20 Contact, Booking & Info: axismundi@jps.net 415-826-8644 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0047_01BFADC1.D9554240 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
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For loopers who=20 want to know --  otherwise, last chance to hit delete --  = thanx =20 stuart

 
AXiS=20 MUNDi
TranceFusion Chant Band
invites you to 
First-Press Prana - Rites=20 of Spring
Live=20 Music - Dancing - Kundalini Yoga - Visuals 
Saturday, =20 April 29th
8:00 pm   = $12.00
TUVA Performance Space  =20  510-655-9755
3192 Adeline St. =20 Berkeley  Ashby Exit onto Ashby-Right=20 onto
Martin Luther King- Corner Bldg.@1st Light = where MLK=20 becomes Adeline.
 
Based on Devotional Yearning and = Spontaneously Arising=20 Sound,
AXIS = MUNDI takes the ancient Kundalini = Chant=20 tradition into quantum
dimensions with Sonic-Shamanic effects as the = human=20 voice explores the
Wisdom Beyond Language and merges with a = pulsing=20 trance-rhythm stream.
This unique music creates a Resonant = Energy Field=20 for Ecstatic Experience.
Join us to participate in the COHERENT = SQUEEZE as we=20
Celebrate The Rebirth of The Light.  = Wear=20 your Dancing Shoes
and Festive MayDay Attire, and be prepared to = BE IN = SPIN.
 
axis Mundi
Stuart Sovatsky - Sonic = Chant
Sondra Slade - = Producer/Percussion
Susie Goldenstein - = Percussion
Travis Wernet - = Didjeridoo
Cathryn Calderon - Ecstatic = Dance
with
INTERACTIVE MEDIA by Uncle=20 Puzzle
Sacred Space by Auntie=20 Matter 
 
Contact, Booking & Info:   axismundi@jps.net   = =20 415-826-8644
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_0047_01BFADC1.D9554240-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Apr 24 11:55:49 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA20823; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 11:55:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 11:55:49 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 08:35:07 -0700 From: "Mike Biffle" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, baumhaus@earthlink.net Subject: Re: list etiquette (from the guilty one) Resent-Message-ID: <"LG_-M2.0.Pc4.Yd61v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13776 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Keep posting them... It's nice to get a feel for the various venues which welcome this type of music. I save postings with venues which might be of interest to me either as a performer or audient. Best, -Miko >>> lance glover 04/23 7:50 PM >>> Petr Dolak wrote: > I am sorry if I was crossed over the line. I saw announcements of various > gigs on the list many times before, so I did it too. I thought the line is > whether the gig is about looping or not. If I caused "bad taste" to anyone, > I apologize. > > petr gee, i usually enjoy seeing people's gigs announced. tho it probably would be good to indicate in the subject line that it's a (how does it go?) shameless self-promotion so those who aren't interested can trash & continue... my 2 cents lance g. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Apr 24 12:16:49 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA23396; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 12:16:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 12:16:49 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <003601bfae06$acb7b2a0$0e310140@concentric.net> From: "Larry Tremblay" To: References: <022001bfadf3$487b46c0$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> Subject: Re: tape cartridge for Roland RE 201? Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 12:03:43 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"BR57S3.0.NB5.B-61v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13778 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com "Dry tape" may work, too. But I was advised against it many years ago when I originally bought my RE-201. I hear too that the old 8-track tape gauge works well. It may even be more compatible than regular 1/4" AND it's the lubricated type of tape used by the 201. - Larry T ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: Sent: Monday, April 24, 2000 9:44 AM Subject: Re: tape cartridge for Roland RE 201? > I used to own one these puppies and, as I recall, I cut my own tapes loops using > regular "dry" tapes. They seemed to work OK. I'd give it a try; tape is cheap. > As Simon says, just splice it at an angle. Try a short loop first. > > >Note that the 1/4" (nearly) tape used for the 201 is the > >lubricated type. Normal "dry" tape will not work. > > Dennis Leas > ----------------------------- > dennis@mdbs.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Larry Tremblay > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Date: Monday, April 24, 2000 2:02 AM > Subject: Re: tape cartridge for Roland RE 201? > > > > > >- Larry T > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Simon" > >To: > >Sent: Monday, April 24, 2000 1:38 AM > >Subject: Re: tape cartridge for Roland RE 201? > > > > > >> They havn't made tape echos for many years, but they still might stock the > >> tapes as spare parts, I'm not really sure though. > >> > >> If not, couldn't you just use any tape that is the same width? Just splice > >> the ends together into a loop. > >> > >> The Roland tapes come in a little plastic 'cartridge', but the tape is > >just > >> loaded into the machine and the plastic 'cartridge' isn't used after that. > >> > >> Simon > >> Canberra > >> AUSTRALIA > >> > >> > >> >Maybe you should try vintage supply dealers Roland hasnt made tape echo's > >> >for many years > >> >Steven > >> >Good to see a fellow Australian > >> > >> >> Have you asked your local Roland dealer, they should be able to order > >one > >> >> from Roland for you. > >> >> > >> >> Simon > >> >> Canberra > >> >> AUSTRALIA > >> > >> >> >I am still looking for a tape cartridge for a Roland Space Echo RE > >201. > >> >> >I tried several sites but no luck. Any one have a clue as to where I > >> >could > >> >> >get one to get this puppy up and looping. Om and out Papa Dave > >> > >> >> >> >I need a tape cartridge for a Roland Space Echo RE201. Do you have > >> >it? > >> >> >>Om and Out Papa Dave > >> > >> > >> >> >>sorry, cannot help > >> >> >> > >> >> >>Best Regards, Nicolas Keim > >> > >> > >> > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Apr 24 12:37:55 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA26670; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 12:37:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 12:37:55 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <001301bfae05$2f9003a0$ef02fea9@swbell.net> From: "hideo" To: References: <025301bfadf4$ed46aa40$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> Subject: Re: list etiquette Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 10:53:02 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <"PkpHE1.0.6w4.Sr61v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13777 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com with all due respect for those of you who are e-mail-overwhelmed . . . DITTO . . . noone has really clogged the list with gig plugs anyway and I truly like to hear what people are doing with bowed guitaars and contact-miced children's toys and man, I wish I had a magic carpet so I could zip to the East Coast and LA and Ohio and even Lafayette, Indiana FGS and catch these gigs--not to mention get within radio range of Bill's radio program (Bill, how's the Web rebroadcast thing going anyway . . . HINT,HINT ;) my two centavos drone on~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Tom Lambrecht hideo@concentric.net ----- Original Message ----- From: Dennis W. Leas To: Sent: Monday, April 24, 2000 8:56 AM Subject: Re: list etiquette > >looper etiquette squad: is posting one's own upcoming gigs on this list > >considered bad taste, or welcomed heartily by all? thnx for an answer > > I, speaking only for myself, welcome all gig announcements. Even if I can't > road-trip to a fellow loopist's gig, it's encouraging to hear about them. It > motivates me and maybe other players to get out of the basement and DO IT! > Besides, there's so few announcements that it consumes little bandwidth. > > Dennis Leas > ----------------------------- > dennis@mdbs.com > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Apr 24 12:30:56 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA24707; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 12:30:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 12:30:56 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <003a01bfae07$cbfbe3b0$0e310140@concentric.net> From: "Larry Tremblay" To: References: Subject: Re: tape cartridge for Roland RE 201? Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 12:11:12 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"o0RKJ3.0.2Q5.j571v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13779 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > when is someone gonna manufacture > a space-echo re-ish? with contemp. > componants they'd clean up! ;) > Unlikely, I think. The standard answer to questions of this type about clasic gear is that it would be too expensive and the end result would be disappointing anyway. Part of the "classic sound" is due to the original analog components used in the first place. Also recall that an RE-201, for instance, cost damn near $1000 (new) in 1980's dollars. A comparable machine would cost at least that much. You're better off picking up a mint one for a few hundred, IMO. - LArry > > rbrt > On Sun, 23 Apr 2000, David Potter wrote: > > > I am still looking for a tape cartridge for a Roland Space Echo RE 201. > > I tried several sites but no luck. Any one have a clue as to where I could > > get one to get this puppy up and looping. Om and out Papa Dave > > > > > > > > >From: "swol" > > >Reply-To: "swol" > > >To: "papadave55@hotmail.com" > > >CC: "juju" > > >Subject: Re: Request to Musicians-Gear > > >Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2000 22:34:03 +0200 > > > > > >On Sat, 22 Apr 2000 23:10:17 +0200 (CEST), papadave55@hotmail.com wrote: > > > > > > > > > > >Email papadave55@hotmail.com > > > >Name Dave Potter > > > > Repairs > > > > > > > >I need a tape cartridge for a Roland Space Echo RE201. Do you have it? > > >Om and Out Papa Dave > > > > > > >sorry, cannot help > > > > > >Best Regards, Nicolas Keim > > > > > > > > >Currency(Money)-Converter > > >for all countries at : http://www.oanda.com/converter/classic?lang=en > > > > > >Import Guide at: http://www.musicians-gear.com/exp/impguid.htm > > >Voltage Guide at: http://www.musicians-gear.com/exp/voltagegu.htm > > >Warranty Guide at: http://www.musicians-gear.com/exp/warranty.htm > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Apr 24 12:34:58 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA25316; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 12:34:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 12:34:58 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <005001bfae0a$80972bc0$0e310140@concentric.net> From: "Larry Tremblay" To: , References: Subject: Re: list etiquette (from the guilty one) Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 12:31:07 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"P_iWs1.0.cx5.tN71v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13780 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This idea may not be feasible, but has anyone considered a Looperpalooza-type tour of friendly venues, cable access TV and indie radio? It's my feeling that the looper idea has permeated the mainstream enough that it's become a significant sub-culture. I mean, fewer music store salesguys look at me sideways now when I mention looping to them. Anyone think this is a good idea? - Larry T ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Biffle" To: ; Sent: Monday, April 24, 2000 11:35 AM Subject: Re: list etiquette (from the guilty one) > Keep posting them... It's nice to get a feel for the various venues > which welcome this type of music. I save postings with venues which > might be of interest to me either as a performer or audient. > > Best, > -Miko > > >>> lance glover 04/23 7:50 PM >>> > > > Petr Dolak wrote: > > > I am sorry if I was crossed over the line. I saw announcements of > various > > gigs on the list many times before, so I did it too. I thought the > line is > > whether the gig is about looping or not. If I caused "bad taste" > to anyone, > > I apologize. > > > > petr > > gee, i usually enjoy seeing people's gigs announced. tho it probably > would be > good to indicate in the subject line that it's a (how does it go?) > shameless > self-promotion so those who aren't interested can trash & > continue... > > my 2 cents > > lance g. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Apr 24 12:47:58 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA31100; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 12:47:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 12:47:58 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 12:43:03 EDT Subject: Re: open reel deck looping? To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 100 Resent-Message-ID: <"Ymypc2.0.957.0d71v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13781 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 4/24/00 6:33:41 AM Mid-Atlantic Daylight Time, simon@dynamite.com.au writes: << He has 'racks' on the wall with all his tape loops hanging on them. Total lo-fi sampling/looping, it's really amazing what he does with it. >> simon.........how do we hear this fellows work?............michael From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Apr 24 13:09:52 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA03625; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 13:09:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 13:09:52 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 12:49:58 EDT Subject: Re: list etiquette To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 100 Resent-Message-ID: <"ul2f5.0.Ck7.Rj71v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13782 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 4/24/00 1:05:47 PM Mid-Atlantic Daylight Time, dennis@mdbs.com writes: << I, speaking only for myself, welcome all gig announcements. >> i must agree.......michael From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Apr 24 13:24:57 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA05898; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 13:24:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 13:24:57 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 10:02:18 -0700 From: "Mike Biffle" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, ltct@concentric.net, baumhaus@earthlink.net Subject: Re: list etiquette >> Loop venues and Santa Cruz Loop Jam Resent-Message-ID: <"C2y6U1.0.UZ.Qv71v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13783 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Well... I'm putting together a looper jam in Santa Cruz, California, tentatively scheduled Sunday, June 25th, from 2:00pm - 8pm-ish... maybe later... hoping to record the proceedings. Please respond if this is of interest to any of you. I'll send out invitations shortly! This is a continuation of the networking we all do by announcing gigs, philosophy and basically having dialog about all aspects of our musical lives revolving around our common interest in looping. Best regards, -Miko >>> "Larry Tremblay" 04/24 9:30 AM >>> This idea may not be feasible, but has anyone considered a Looperpalooza-type tour of friendly venues, cable access TV and indie radio? It's my feeling that the looper idea has permeated the mainstream enough that it's become a significant sub-culture. I mean, fewer music store salesguys look at me sideways now when I mention looping to them. Anyone think this is a good idea? - Larry T ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Biffle" > Keep posting them... It's nice to get a feel for the various venues which welcome this type of music. I save postings with venues which might be of interest to me either as a performer or audient. Best, -Miko From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Apr 24 13:37:20 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA07750; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 13:37:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 13:37:20 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <390484B9.2B1540A7@ppi2pass.com> Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 10:30:33 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro Reply-To: msottilaro@ppi2pass.com Organization: PPI X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Echo down under References: <000e01bfabe8$8320f200$240454d2@Thorgal> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------642601FF5711DCCACFEEE386" Resent-Message-ID: <"1oVyx1.0.xh1.eJ81v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13784 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com --------------642601FF5711DCCACFEEE386 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Nooooo! Wait! They're back in production, I've seen one! They're selling (but limited so far) for US $700 or so. tb wrote: > hello I have the opportunity to buy an echoplex with foot pedal for > aus$2000Is it still the best live looping tool?Whats the story with > support and developments ?are people still writing for it casue I > remember that there were some buttons on it that had not yet received > funtions? thanks trevorbondi beachAustralia -- Mark Sottilaro Professional Publications, Inc 1250 Fifth Ave, Belmont CA 94002 Multimedia Production E-mail: msottilaro@ppi2pass.com Phone: (650) 593-9119 ext. 29 --------------642601FF5711DCCACFEEE386 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Nooooo!  Wait! They're back in production, I've seen one! They're selling (but limited so far) for US $700 or so.

tb wrote:

 hello I have the opportunity to buy an echoplex with foot pedal for aus$2000Is it still the best live looping tool?Whats the story with support and developments ?are people still writing for it casue I remember that there were some buttons on it that had not yet received funtions? thanks trevorbondi beachAustralia 

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  --------------642601FF5711DCCACFEEE386-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Apr 24 14:47:00 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA15520; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 14:47:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 14:47:00 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: Subject: RE: list etiquette (from the guilty one) Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 11:24:23 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <005001bfae0a$80972bc0$0e310140@concentric.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <"Hzdh91.0.S73.7491v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13786 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Well, we could do something like that on cable access. They put the most ridiculosu stuff on that channel. bIz -----Original Message----- From: Larry Tremblay [mailto:ltct@concentric.net] Sent: Monday, April 24, 2000 9:31 AM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com; baumhaus@earthlink.net Subject: Re: list etiquette (from the guilty one) This idea may not be feasible, but has anyone considered a Looperpalooza-type tour of friendly venues, cable access TV and indie radio? It's my feeling that the looper idea has permeated the mainstream enough that it's become a significant sub-culture. I mean, fewer music store salesguys look at me sideways now when I mention looping to them. Anyone think this is a good idea? - Larry T ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Biffle" To: ; Sent: Monday, April 24, 2000 11:35 AM Subject: Re: list etiquette (from the guilty one) > Keep posting them... It's nice to get a feel for the various venues > which welcome this type of music. I save postings with venues which > might be of interest to me either as a performer or audient. > > Best, > -Miko > > >>> lance glover 04/23 7:50 PM >>> > > > Petr Dolak wrote: > > > I am sorry if I was crossed over the line. I saw announcements of > various > > gigs on the list many times before, so I did it too. I thought the > line is > > whether the gig is about looping or not. If I caused "bad taste" > to anyone, > > I apologize. > > > > petr > > gee, i usually enjoy seeing people's gigs announced. tho it probably > would be > good to indicate in the subject line that it's a (how does it go?) > shameless > self-promotion so those who aren't interested can trash & > continue... > > my 2 cents > > lance g. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Apr 24 15:00:24 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA17403; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 15:00:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 15:00:24 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: panix3.panix.com: tonobung owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 14:01:42 -0400 (EDT) From: "r. dennis" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: 2001 - a space echo odyssey? In-Reply-To: <003a01bfae07$cbfbe3b0$0e310140@concentric.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"bomV82.0.cV2.Dm81v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13785 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com with respect to the below, i opine: "sounds like a job for evanna manley!" (it'd prob. even have a tube fron end....) c'mon, eveanna... don't leave us hangin! rbrt originally, i asked: > > when is someone gonna manufacture > > a space-echo re-ish? with contemp. > > componants they'd clean up! ;) > > On Mon, 24 Apr 2000, Larry Tremblay wrote: > Unlikely, I think. The standard answer to questions of > this type about clasic gear is that it would be too > expensive and the end result would be disappointing > anyway. > > Part of the "classic sound" is due to the original analog > components used in the first place. Also recall that an > RE-201, for instance, cost damn near $1000 (new) in 1980's > dollars. A comparable machine would cost at least that > much. You're better off picking up a mint one for a few > hundred, IMO. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Apr 24 15:24:29 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA20685; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 15:24:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 15:24:29 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <01c001bfae20$9caaf7e0$435dadc7@Douglas> From: "K. Douglas Baldwin" To: "Simon" , Subject: Re: open reel deck looping? Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 15:08:58 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"YGzao3.0.pQ4.ai91v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13788 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I'm surprised no one has mentioned it, but one of the easiest ways to make a "looping fixture" on an open-reel machine is to simply build a wood face (probably plywood) around the machine, then use push - pins (y'know, the ones with the barrel-like upper parts) to extend the tape outwards from the deck. Least that's how I did it when I was a boy. Douglas Baldwin, Alpha male Coyote, the Trickster dbaldwin@suffolk.lib.ny.us From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Apr 24 15:24:34 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA20703; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 15:24:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 15:24:34 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Echophazer@aol.com Message-ID: <42.484fa3b.2635f4e6@aol.com> Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 15:05:10 EDT Subject: Thoughts after gettting gig mail To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 26 Resent-Message-ID: <"5GszN.0.mP4.Ci91v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13787 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wow another person on the list is doing a show. It's too bad the venue is so far. I'd love to see in person the approach they take to it. I could always use some new input on how to set up for a live scenario. ::looks around at gear:: I have all this cool stuff wired up around me and it sounds great when I get it all going. Something is missing though. I know what it is. I've lost that feeling of exploration. When I first bought each piece I'd play with it for days straight, constantly finding those new ways it can call out aspects of my personality in its sound. I buy more and more equipment now to try and find that feeling again but each time the sensation is just a faded copy of what it was before. All this time I've spent shut in and learning hasn't been for nothing though. I just feel I have to move on to the next level soon, let what I found interact with the world for once. I should go out and show others who I am inside. Some people will like it and some won't. I could find new people to share with and they can share with me. I could use some friends. It's good to see that others out there are doing it. I'll try a little harder at getting it all together. I can make it happen, I can do it. I have to never give up finding new ways to believe in who i am. It's hard at times but has anything bad ever came out of trying? Just a little closer now, Peter From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Apr 24 15:18:53 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA19990; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 15:18:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 15:18:53 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <39049DFA.BE3AB309@voicenet.com> Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 15:18:18 -0400 From: Legion X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: 2001 - a space echo odyssey? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"GyuXz2.0.Gm4.8r91v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13789 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > There *is* a hardware reissue of the original EP1 Tube echoplex out > now. It's called the Tubeplex and has some new and imporved hardware > goodies in it but is based on the original design. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Apr 24 16:14:53 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA26462; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 16:14:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 16:14:53 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 15:10:05 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <200004242010.PAA25204@servidor.unam.mx> X-Sender: smaug@servidor.unam.mx X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Andy Soto Subject: space echo reissue Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by rosy.yourwebhost.com id QAA25937 Resent-Message-ID: <"wKI8I3.0.mL6.EfA1v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13792 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com There are NEW tape echos being produced over in Japan, a friend of mine lived there last year and brought back one (really nice looking device in screaming yellow...) I don´t remember the brand just rightg now, if anyone interested in specs or just a pic,I could search for one of the brochures he got for me... Andy in Mexico City From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Apr 24 16:27:11 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA27854; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 16:27:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 16:27:11 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: panix3.panix.com: tonobung owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 16:04:18 -0400 (EDT) From: "r. dennis" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: 2001 - a space echo odyssey? In-Reply-To: <39049DFA.BE3AB309@voicenet.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"ylSUR.0.vC6.HZA1v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13790 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com but of course, the tapes used for the sre's are not the same spec as the ones required for the plex's - are they. leading me to realize, screw re-manufacturing the echo units themselves, you'd be doing a public service just making the tapes available. people would be glad to give you say $15 for a loop of spliced ampex... the cottage industry for the new century, b'god. rbrt On Mon, 24 Apr 2000, Legion wrote: > > There *is* a hardware reissue of the original EP1 Tube echoplex out > > now. It's called the Tubeplex and has some new and imporved hardware > > goodies in it but is based on the original design. > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Apr 24 16:39:59 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA29505; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 16:39:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 16:39:59 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: stanitarium@earthlink.net Message-Id: <200004242022.NAA00939@goose.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 13:22:17 -0800 Subject: Re: open reel deck looping?Re:DRUMDROPS To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"wsyfv2.0.Hi6.OqA1v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13793 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hey I don't know how many DRUMDROPS records were made but I have (5) of them and they are "useful" in some context or another...GOINLOOPY...STANNER ---------- >From: "Larry Tremblay" >To: >Subject: Re: open reel deck looping? >Date: Mon, Apr 24, 2000, 12:07 AM > >> A friend of mine uses a couple of reel-to-reels for all his music >> sequencing/recording, he can't afford a sampler and/or computer. >> > Yep, one of the origins of sampling and sequencing, and it still > works great. Sounds better, too, IMHO. > >> He sequences by cutting up individual notes and drum hits on the tape, and >> then joins them together into loops. These loops are his sequences. > > Does anyone remember the pre-digital era records called Drum Drops? > This series of LP's contained real cheesy studio-recorded drum > tracks of *realdrums* in a variety of styles. They were called > Drum Drops because you basically 'dropped them into the rhythm > track' on tape, building up a complete drum track 2 to 4 measures > at a time, i.e., a sequence of drum samples. > >> To keep things in time he draws a graph on a piece of paper so that he >> knows how long each note/beat/sequence/etc. should be, showing him where > to >> cut the tape. >> >> His reel-to-reel has an old telescopic radio antenna attached to the > front, >> with something on top of the antenna for the tape to 'roll' over, and he >> extends the antenna upwards to hold the loop tight. >> >> He runs these loops on a two track reel-to-reel and then records them onto >> a 4 track reel-to-reel to allow layering/multi-tracking of multiple >> loops/sequences. >> >> He has 'racks' on the wall with all his tape loops hanging on them. >> >> Total lo-fi sampling/looping, it's really amazing what he does with it. >> >> It really gives a loose feel, seemingly more 'organic' and 'real' than >> computer based sequencing. >> > > I agree. Tape is still one of the most rewarding, if time consuming, > methods of looping and sampling. Some things are actually easier > to do with tape. > > - Larry T >> >> >> >> >You an use any reel to reel for looping. The Revox is >> >just a *nice to have* for it's simplicity and quality. >> > >> >I still prefer the sound and tactile simplicity of analog >> >looping over digital. >> > >> >Gino wong - who's an LD member - sent me a spare loop arm >> >he had lying around which is very useful for setting up >> >loops of varying length. I imagine these can be salvaged >> >from broken recorders. >> > >> >Check the archives under "loop arm". November 1999, I >> >think. >> > >> >BTW, Gino - I figured out the mic clip thing for holding >> >the loop arm. Works like a charm! I have a few new ideas for >> >an adjustable tapeloop device based on David Keane's excellent >> >book, "Tape Music Composition" (1980). >> > >> >- Larry >> > >> >> anyone? >> >> >> >> i just inherited a fostex model 20 1/4" open reel deck. looping tool or >> >> bookend? (it looks nice enough, and i've got room in my studio to have > it >> >> just sit there, but if i could make it earn its keep somehow when i 'm >> >tired >> >> of checking the edp faqs for simple answers to stupid questions, it > would >> >be >> >> nice). >> >> >> >> (just don't say "well, if it was a revox...") >> >> >> >> lance g. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Apr 24 16:27:11 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA27855; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 16:27:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 16:27:11 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3904A943.51AB@ezworks.net> Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 16:06:30 -0400 From: Jeff Yost Reply-To: yostie@ezworks.net Organization: Zerone Audio Labs/DigiMete Arts/GigSwaP X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: tour thing??? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Wvbzw1.0.vF6.fbA1v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13791 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I wonder if we could put together a touring network for loopers? Something along the lines of a GigSwaP, where we open the doors for other loopers at places that are looper friendly in our respective areas.All loopers interested do the same in their areas... We could present any recordings that fellow loopers might have...the promo pack- to interested parties and put together an act or two or three and present a mini tour...? jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Apr 24 17:03:36 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA32405; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 17:03:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 17:03:36 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <002901bfae2f$48f25440$b8425b80@upenn.edu> From: "David Petrozzi" To: References: <42.484fa3b.2635f4e6@aol.com> Subject: creativity Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 16:53:34 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"64Qer1.0.ae7.rJB1v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13794 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > Something is missing though. I know what it is. I've lost > that feeling of exploration. I suggest reading about the creative approaches of Brian Eno, John Zorn, and Iannis Xenakis, respectively. These three have been very inspirational for me. Creativity (maybe paradoxically) is something I read a lot about. In an effort to get others creative juices flowing, I suggest we each share some creative techniques that we regularly employ: 1. graphs -when I feel limited in a particular piece I'll often work from a graph. for instance, my ambient project used to play a chart of stock market returns over the past 50 years. very fun! we would "notate" the graph with colors for moods (blue=sad, red=intense, green=layered, etc) and indicate how long (length of time) each section would roughly take. some great results with this one. 2. musical personalities -each person in the group takes on a musical personality. e.g. "It is 2030 and you're playing in the hottest reggae-goth club in New York City. Your fans view you as a cultural icon but you live a reckless and overindulgent life. You've been tripping for three years since biologically altering your DNA in a dark alley surgery--merely on a dare from a friend. These past couple weeks, you've begun to regret this decision. Your childhood hero was Bach and you love playing Perfect 5ths." This one is a lot of fun. I think Eno uses this as well. 3. game pieces: like John Zorn's "Cobra" -games give people an excuse to act in a way they normally wouldn't are perfect for breaking musical habits. Currently, my project is experimenting with elaborate signaling according to the rigid rules of Zorn's game pieces. I think we've grown enormously since we started this one. Now your turn! ~dp From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Apr 24 17:49:47 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA04545; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 17:49:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 17:49:47 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <005e01bfae35$9cd3f720$a9994e0c@u73x0> From: "James Pokorny" To: Subject: Re: Different Sequencer question / New member Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 17:39:46 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"eRh7s3.0.xh.GsB1v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13795 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I'll second that! Namaste, Udayan-ji, aap se milkar bada khushi hui! Su-swagatam! James -----Original Message----- From: eric To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Sunday, April 23, 2000 6:59 PM Subject: Re: Different Sequencer question > > >Udayan Choudhury wrote: > >> I am a very humble music enthusiast from North-East India. > >Hello to Udayan! >Glad you're with us. >I love India. >Cheers, >eobe > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Apr 24 18:01:16 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA05488; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 18:01:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 18:01:16 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: panix3.panix.com: tonobung owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 17:44:40 -0400 (EDT) From: "r. dennis" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: creativity In-Reply-To: <002901bfae2f$48f25440$b8425b80@upenn.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"z7K4U1.0.7_.G1C1v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13797 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com i think alban berg used some stuff like this - spelling out his friends' names in compositions & the like... course, you could always simply pick up an instrument you've never played before... but you'd have to pretend you'd never heard it either! rbrt On Mon, 24 Apr 2000, David Petrozzi wrote: > > Something is missing though. I know what it is. I've lost > > that feeling of exploration. > > > I suggest reading about the creative approaches of Brian Eno, John Zorn, and > Iannis Xenakis, respectively. These three have been very inspirational for > me. Creativity (maybe paradoxically) is something I read a lot about. In > an effort to get others creative juices flowing, I suggest we each share > some creative techniques that we regularly employ: > > 1. graphs > -when I feel limited in a particular piece I'll often work from a graph. > for instance, my ambient project used to play a chart of stock market > returns over the past 50 years. very fun! we would "notate" the graph with > colors for moods (blue=sad, red=intense, green=layered, etc) and indicate > how long (length of time) each section would roughly take. some great > results with this one. > > 2. musical personalities > -each person in the group takes on a musical personality. e.g. "It is > 2030 and you're playing in the hottest reggae-goth club in New York City. > Your fans view you as a cultural icon but you live a reckless and > overindulgent life. You've been tripping for three years since biologically > altering your DNA in a dark alley surgery--merely on a dare from a friend. > These past couple weeks, you've begun to regret this decision. Your > childhood hero was Bach and you love playing Perfect 5ths." This one is a > lot of fun. I think Eno uses this as well. > > 3. game pieces: like John Zorn's "Cobra" > -games give people an excuse to act in a way they normally wouldn't are > perfect for breaking musical habits. Currently, my project is experimenting > with elaborate signaling according to the rigid rules of Zorn's game pieces. > I think we've grown enormously since we started this one. > > > Now your turn! > ~dp > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Apr 24 18:21:55 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA07429; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 18:21:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 18:21:55 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <002901bfae2f$48f25440$b8425b80@upenn.edu> References: <42.484fa3b.2635f4e6@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 14:58:05 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: rich Subject: Re: creativity Resent-Message-ID: <"eaRzs1.0._A1.t8C1v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13798 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >1. graphs > -when I feel limited in a particular piece I'll often work from a graph. >for instance, my ambient project used to play a chart of stock market >returns over the past 50 years. very fun! we would "notate" the graph with >colors for moods (blue=sad, red=intense, green=layered, etc) and indicate >how long (length of time) each section would roughly take. some great >results with this one. I had a couple of interesting performances a few years ago based on this idea. The performance was called Kaballah Clocks and it was a half hour piece, based tonally on the 10 'stations' of the mystical Kaballah. Each station has a 'color' associated with it. Color resonates at a certain light frequency, and we associated those (angstrom?) frequencies with Hz frequencies of sound, so each 'station' had a tonal drone that we improvised within. Each member of the ensemble had a clock in front of them and we played in each 'station' for 3 minutes, and then mutated to the next, and to the next, culminating at the top station of the Kaballah, associated with Brilliant White light. Definitely a noisy piece, but what a crescendo! We were purely improvising, and made no grandiose pretensions about how good the piece was going to be. Afterwards, though, we had people coming up and saying how amazing it was, and that they had drifted off into some state of meditation during the piece, even though we had not introduced it in any way...it just was the end of our set. Super fun and musically/experimentally/spiritually rewarding rich From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Apr 24 18:24:27 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA07625; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 18:24:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 18:24:27 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <017601bfae35$fa50c400$3a310140@concentric.net> From: "Larry Tremblay" To: References: <200004242022.NAA00939@goose.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Subject: Re: open reel deck looping?Re:DRUMDROPS Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 17:42:22 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"prolI1.0.Qo.9xB1v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13796 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > Hey I don't know how many DRUMDROPS records were made but I have (5) of them > and they are "useful" in some context or another...GOINLOOPY...STANNER I think that's it. 5 volumes from Rock to Funk to Latin... Have you recorded anything using them? Perfectly muffled 70's drums, no? ;) - Larry T From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Apr 24 18:46:20 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA10445; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 18:46:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 18:46:20 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <002001bfabf7$ae6b4280$6998e0d8@unit1> References: <002001bfabf7$ae6b4280$6998e0d8@unit1> Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 19:43:04 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Echoplex learning Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"32Okf3.0.oG2.XoC1v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13803 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Re: Echoplex learning

I've just joined the list, and this past week became a new owner of the Gibson Echoplex Digital Pro.
Could someone find the answer to my problem.  When I've set: Moreloops to 2, AutoRecord to ON, LoopCopy-OFF, SwitchQuant-CYC, LoopTrig-48,Velocity-ON,SampleStyle to RUN, and the MuteMode to StA, and I'm sampling a "AABA" tune, what happens is:  the first A part records fine (as I want it to repeat) and plays again, but when I use NEXTLOOP to record the "B" (bridge), and punch Record to end that, it always plays the bridge twice. When I end that same Loop trying to use the NextLoop key to end it, it gives me L1/2 things that I don't understand.
Any help wood sure me before I try to put this in Live Use.
Thank you
 
Wow, Bill, you went far in the first week! I thought with Overdub, Multiply and another simple function, a beginner has work for half a year...
After all there is more music to discover than functions, or what do you all think?


         ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org
From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Apr 24 18:40:35 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA09744; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 18:40:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 18:40:35 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.e-net.com.br Message-Id: Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 19:43:04 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Looper as MIDIclock master Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <"d71KL2.0.fF2.KoC1v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13801 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi Another "sequencer" question: We programmed the EDP to send out MIDIclock to drive a sequencer or drum machine. We did endless tests to confirm the various clock rates, StartSong, StopSong..., but since I rather dislike prerecorded or even synthesized sounds in my music, I never used that feature. ... until yesterday: I used an old HR16 drum machine and imagined that I could record a bass line on the EDP and then program some drum pattern into the HR16, in real time. It did not work. It seams that the HR16 only records with internal clock. So I would have to prepare the pattern and then start it from the EDP. Thats not my style. Its not even possible to program something in non real time to fit to the running loop and then start it synced (Exept with the not finished LOOP4 soft, where MUTE-UNDO also can send a StartSong). Maybe I should get some newer equipment... Does someone use a drum machine or stand alone sequencer slaved to the MIDIclock out of some Looping device? Can you program the drum sequence in real time? ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Apr 24 18:51:22 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA11255; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 18:51:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 18:51:22 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <00b401bfae3a$22307340$657cb2d0@computer> From: "Petr Dolak" To: Subject: Playing out? -- Re: list etiquette Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 18:11:46 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: <"OryNU.0.4d1.ePC1v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13799 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Well, I looked at the list of looping events (provided by LD), and there was just one. And if this place is ideally not used for gigs listing, I wonder where all the looping people play. Are you playing at home? Or you don't want to let others know about what and where you are doing? I am confused. I always liked to read about gigs right here, because it's available right away. And it gives me a chance to contact the players privately, if I feel like it. This list is great also because of that, and I follow it for several years already. It is encouraging to see that there are other people involved in "weird stuff", like looping. So what's wrong about letting each other know about our performances? Commercial music has its own strong vehicles for advertizing, but it's not mu cup of tea. I am always looking for contacts and connections with people who are at least distantly close to my way of playing or so, and it does not matter to me whether they are playing in DC or CA or Europe or Wherever. I don't have to be there in person even though the flying carpet would be great. petr dolák From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Apr 24 19:03:09 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA12565; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 19:03:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 19:03:09 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <001501bfad9f$4c5c83c0$5df538cb@steve> References: <000401bfae11$36925520$9baa5cd1@-> <001501bfad9f$4c5c83c0$5df538cb@steve> Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 19:43:04 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: undesired posts Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <"P-t-x2.0.IF2.GoC1v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13800 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >Bill Fox, > Can you unsubscribe me from this spam > >I don't live in USA and I don't want to receive this. > 2nd request. >I suscribed to Kims list BUT not yours. >Steven I find this unfriendly, Steven. We discussed it and many wrote in favour to Bills posting. I dont live in US either and there are many anouncements for shows that I could never go, but I still find it interesting to know whats happening. So I find Petr's apology rather unnecessary: >I am sorry if I was crossed over the line. I saw announcements of various >gigs on the list many times before, so I did it too. I thought the line is >whether the gig is about looping or not. If I caused "bad taste" to anyone, >I apologize. as someone said: Post what you want, but think well about the subject you put so we can select what we are going to read... no violence Matthias ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Apr 24 18:54:55 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA11628; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 18:54:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 18:54:55 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 19:43:04 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: DT recomendation, was: Instructional video Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <"wjFjc.0.KG2.VoC1v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13802 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >sketchy, >thanks for the endorsement of me (now old, i'm afraid) video; >personally, i really wish it had been more loop-comprehensive/focussed--- & i >wish that it hadn't been shot all in one day, a day... by the by... on which >i was recovering from the type of seizure to which i's occasionally subjected: >i was feelin' *really* funky..... >also: >some time back, there was some chitchat twixt kim, gibson & meself >re: producing an EDP instructavid; >obviously, it never happened. >while i still haven't plumbed the plumbable depths of the *current* EDP >software: >--(i'm sure that many of y'all take much deeper advantage of the beast's >capabilities)-- >i'd still be interested in such an event-production, esp. if it were in >collaboration w/a more knowledgeable sort than i; ie, kim or someone else. >ruminating: as usual. >dt Yes, fine: A couple of different musicians show different methods and the over-all impression would be more open: a variety styles, instruments, setups, philosophies... Nowadays, many people have a camera - which does not mean they can do good video, but what I have seen from those instructional videos, the public is not very demanding is this respect - so it seams possible that several musicians film the way they build up their music. Then those results could be compiled and completed with some more "theoretic" explanations, animated versions of the drawings in the manual... I guess Gibson would support such a project. Anyone into video? ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Apr 24 18:54:22 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA11584; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 18:54:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 18:54:22 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 15:36:38 -0700 From: "Mike Biffle" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, pepetr@crnet.net Subject: Playing out? -- Re: list etiquette Resent-Message-ID: <"bjHam2.0.oH2.qoC1v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13804 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > Well, I looked at the list of looping events (provided by LD), and there was just one. And if this place is ideally not used for gigs listing, I wonder where all the looping people play. Are you playing at home? Or you don't want to let others know about what and where you are doing? I am confused. I don't go to that page to look for gigs and don't believe it would serve us well... The list is where I look for ALL information other than user profiles... > I always liked to read about gigs right here, because it's available right away. And it gives me a chance to contact the players privately, if I feel like it. This list is great also because of that, and I follow it for several years already. It is encouraging to see that there are other people involved in "weird stuff", like looping. So what's wrong about letting each other know about our performances? > Commercial music has its own strong vehicles for advertizing, but it's not mu cup of tea. I am always looking for contacts and connections with people who are at least distantly close to my way of playing or so, and it does not matter to me whether they are playing in DC or CA or Europe or Wherever. I don't have to be there in person even though the flying carpet would be great. petr dolak I'd suggest just posting your gig and let the bitching and moaning take care of itself... I find the gig listings to be an important aspect of the list activity and DON'T want to see them disappear. Keep 'em coming guys. My 2 cents... -Miko From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Apr 24 19:11:33 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA13890; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 19:11:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 19:11:33 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 16:03:30 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: rich Subject: Re: Looper as MIDIclock master Resent-Message-ID: <"4s-sy3.0.wx2.76D1v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13805 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I have been trying to record in real time on 3 different drum machines, with the drum machine either synched to a Jam Man, or to my digital 8-track recorder that has midi sync (Fostex dmt-8). I have used an Alesis HR-16, Boss Dr-660 and Boss Dr. 770. I have had very little luck, as well. Recording the drum tracks 'off line' is pretty crappy and not really my style, either...but i haven't found any way around it. if anybody knows of a machine that could 'record' in real time and in tempo synch with a looper or my recorder, i would definitely put it on my christmas list... has anybody worked with the akai mpc units like this, or the asr-x (i think that's what it's called). rich >Hi > >Another "sequencer" question: > >We programmed the EDP to send out MIDIclock to drive a sequencer or >drum machine. We did endless tests to confirm the various clock >rates, StartSong, StopSong..., but since I rather dislike prerecorded >or even synthesized sounds in my music, I never used that feature. >... until yesterday: I used an old HR16 drum machine and imagined >that I could record a bass line on the EDP and then program some drum >pattern into the HR16, in real time. It did not work. It seams that >the HR16 only records with internal clock. So I would have to prepare >the pattern and then start it from the EDP. Thats not my style. >Its not even possible to program something in non real time to fit to >the running loop and then start it synced (Exept with the not >finished LOOP4 soft, where MUTE-UNDO also can send a StartSong). >Maybe I should get some newer equipment... > >Does someone use a drum machine or stand alone sequencer slaved to >the MIDIclock out of some Looping device? >Can you program the drum sequence in real time? > > > ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Apr 24 19:14:32 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA14263; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 19:14:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 19:14:32 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: kamlapati.khalsa@philips.com To: Subject: Re: creativity Message-ID: <0056910004702755000002L152*@MHS> Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 17:58:07 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; name="MEMO 04/24/00 18:02:43" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by rosy.yourwebhost.com id SAA12051 Resent-Message-ID: <"iLhRG3.0.ay2.Q6D1v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13806 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Here is my most simple, practical approach : Lower the output volume of the EDP and create a loop while unable to hear it. Go with the randomness. More comments : Have you ever seen the book, "The Advancing Guitarist"? The whole book is filled with approaches to growing, overcoming barriers. Much of it is instrument independent. Loopily, K rich@nuvision.com on 04/24/2000 03:28:41 PM Please respond to Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com@SMTP To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com@SMTP cc: Subject: Re: creativity Classification: Restricted >1. graphs > -when I feel limited in a particular piece I'll often work from a graph. >for instance, my ambient project used to play a chart of stock market >returns over the past 50 years. very fun! we would "notate" the graph with >colors for moods (blue=sad, red=intense, green=layered, etc) and indicate >how long (length of time) each section would roughly take. some great >results with this one. I had a couple of interesting performances a few years ago based on this idea. The performance was called Kaballah Clocks and it was a half hour piece, based tonally on the 10 'stations' of the mystical Kaballah. Each station has a 'color' associated with it. Color resonates at a certain light frequency, and we associated those (angstrom?) frequencies with Hz frequencies of sound, so each 'station' had a tonal drone that we improvised within. Each member of the ensemble had a clock in front of them and we played in each 'station' for 3 minutes, and then mutated to the next, and to the next, culminating at the top station of the Kaballah, associated with Brilliant White light. Definitely a noisy piece, but what a crescendo! We were purely improvising, and made no grandiose pretensions about how good the piece was going to be. Afterwards, though, we had people coming up and saying how amazing it was, and that they had drifted off into some state of meditation during the piece, even though we had not introduced it in any way...it just was the end of our set. Super fun and musically/experimentally/spiritually rewarding rich From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Apr 24 19:42:09 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA17061; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 19:42:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 19:42:09 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: kamlapati.khalsa@philips.com To: Subject: Re: Playing out? -- Re: list etiquette Message-ID: <0056910004703036000002L162*@MHS> Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 18:20:11 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; name="MEMO 04/24/00 18:24:42" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by rosy.yourwebhost.com id TAA14932 Resent-Message-ID: <"RKPRR2.0.af3.5RD1v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13807 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I heartily agree with all who have siad, or nearly said, that one of the best things about the LD list is that I can hear about what other loopers are doing! Keep up the gig posts! Kamlapati From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Apr 24 19:52:21 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA18086; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 19:52:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 19:52:21 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <004101bfae46$2168c000$82310140@concentric.net> From: "Larry Tremblay" To: References: Subject: Re: Looper as MIDIclock master Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 19:38:00 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"Ol8v_1.0.T24._dD1v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13808 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Many drum machines don't alllow real-time, on-the-fly programming in the manner you intend. What you may need instead is a sequencer to record the MIDI data in "free mode" like a tape record does. Also, make sure your sync resolution and quantizing between machines is exact and consistent. Some machines have finer resolutions than others. Good luck, - Larry T ----- Original Message ----- From: "rich" To: Sent: Monday, April 24, 2000 7:03 PM Subject: Re: Looper as MIDIclock master > I have been trying to record in real time on 3 different drum machines, > with the drum machine either synched to a Jam Man, or to my digital 8-track > recorder that has midi sync (Fostex dmt-8). I have used an Alesis HR-16, > Boss Dr-660 and Boss Dr. 770. I have had very little luck, as well. > Recording the drum tracks 'off line' is pretty crappy and not really my > style, either...but i haven't found any way around it. > > if anybody knows of a machine that could 'record' in real time and in tempo > synch with a looper or my recorder, i would definitely put it on my > christmas list... > > has anybody worked with the akai mpc units like this, or the asr-x (i think > that's what it's called). > > rich > > > >Hi > > > >Another "sequencer" question: > > > >We programmed the EDP to send out MIDIclock to drive a sequencer or > >drum machine. We did endless tests to confirm the various clock > >rates, StartSong, StopSong..., but since I rather dislike prerecorded > >or even synthesized sounds in my music, I never used that feature. > >... until yesterday: I used an old HR16 drum machine and imagined > >that I could record a bass line on the EDP and then program some drum > >pattern into the HR16, in real time. It did not work. It seams that > >the HR16 only records with internal clock. So I would have to prepare > >the pattern and then start it from the EDP. Thats not my style. > >Its not even possible to program something in non real time to fit to > >the running loop and then start it synced (Exept with the not > >finished LOOP4 soft, where MUTE-UNDO also can send a StartSong). > >Maybe I should get some newer equipment... > > > >Does someone use a drum machine or stand alone sequencer slaved to > >the MIDIclock out of some Looping device? > >Can you program the drum sequence in real time? > > > > > > ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Apr 24 20:09:27 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA19926; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 20:09:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 20:09:27 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <004b01bfae48$2f8b7450$82310140@concentric.net> From: "Larry Tremblay" To: References: <0056910004702755000002L152*@MHS> Subject: Re: creativity Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 19:52:43 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"UiwCS1.0.zK4.nrD1v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13809 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com RE: Creativity & Randomness In the late-70's/early 80's I was a member of a band called M.A.D.(Mutual Assured Destruction), which consited of myself and two others.. On our first recording session each of us took turns recording a track without being to hear what the other member recorded previously. The only limitation was that the next person to record had to choose an instrument that wasn't used before. You only got one take and allowed only one instrument. This was an adaptation of the surrealists' Atrocity Exhibition approach as applied to 'music'. Noisy as hell but a big idea generator. It was interesting from the perspective that the mind will attempt to impose order even on the most extreme racket. As a bonus, the happy accidents also begin to sound intentional. You can then use these raw materials as inputs to the next stage of the music process. - Larry T > Here is my most simple, practical approach : > > Lower the output volume of the EDP and create a loop while unable to hear it. > > Go with the randomness. > > More comments : Have you ever seen the book, "The Advancing Guitarist"? The whole book is filled with approaches to growing, overcoming barriers. Much of it is instrument independent. > > Loopily, > K > > > > > > > rich@nuvision.com on 04/24/2000 03:28:41 PM > Please respond to Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com@SMTP > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com@SMTP > cc: > Subject: Re: creativity > Classification: Restricted > >1. graphs > > -when I feel limited in a particular piece I'll often work from a graph. > >for instance, my ambient project used to play a chart of stock market > >returns over the past 50 years. very fun! we would "notate" the graph with > >colors for moods (blue=sad, red=intense, green=layered, etc) and indicate > >how long (length of time) each section would roughly take. some great > >results with this one. > > > > I had a couple of interesting performances a few years ago based on this > idea. The performance was called Kaballah Clocks and it was a half hour > piece, based tonally on the 10 'stations' of the mystical Kaballah. Each > station has a 'color' associated with it. Color resonates at a certain > light frequency, and we associated those (angstrom?) frequencies with Hz > frequencies of sound, so each 'station' had a tonal drone that we > improvised within. Each member of the ensemble had a clock in front of > them and we played in each 'station' for 3 minutes, and then mutated to the > next, and to the next, culminating at the top station of the Kaballah, > associated with Brilliant White light. > > Definitely a noisy piece, but what a crescendo! We were purely > improvising, and made no grandiose pretensions about how good the piece was > going to be. Afterwards, though, we had people coming up and saying how > amazing it was, and that they had drifted off into some state of meditation > during the piece, even though we had not introduced it in any way...it just > was the end of our set. > > Super fun and musically/experimentally/spiritually rewarding > > > > rich > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Apr 24 20:35:11 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA22738; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 20:35:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 20:35:11 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: KB305@aol.com Message-ID: <9c.31d8533.26363f97@aol.com> Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 20:23:51 EDT Subject: Re: creativity To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 105 Resent-Message-ID: <"zTahS3.0.-K5.yME1v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13811 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Pre Script: I recommend 'The Advancing Guitarist' wholeheartedly. o.k.: Another creative approach that has worked for me: Go into therapy. Find out what I really think. Deal with it. Have a midlife/spiritual/psychosexual crisis. Feel completely nuts for a while, and feel scared about it. Go to a men's weekend, bang a drum, whatever. Go inside yourself, where the demon is. You know its name. Speak to it. Then pick up your instrument. You'll be amazed at what you have to say!! (I still am.) I'm completely serious. You can't pour from an empty cup, and you can't fill a cup that leaks. From where does the spirit leak from your cup? Ask yourself that. THAT is where music comes from when it comes to visit you. If you take a little of the mystery out of it (you can't take ALL the mystery out of it!), you'll find it easier to dial up. That's my hallucination anyway. Yours may be different. k Before studying Zen, men are men, and mountains are mountains. After studying Zen, men are men, and mountains are mountains. In the middle, things are confused. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Apr 24 20:37:22 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA22944; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 20:37:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 20:37:22 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: Subject: uncreativity Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 17:23:44 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <004b01bfae48$2f8b7450$82310140@concentric.net> Resent-Message-ID: <"xQL8N1.0.MI5._KE1v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13810 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com What does one do when one has too much creativity, and not enough impetus/inspiration to work what one has got into something finished? I'm really, really good at starting things, bu From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Apr 24 20:49:38 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA24514; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 20:49:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 20:49:38 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3904EA30.6AF8EC66@inreach.com> Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 17:43:29 -0700 From: eric X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: uncreativity References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"aUGzA1.0.hr5.veE1v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13813 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com LIMIT THYSELF! (I'm one to talk. I have the same tendency.) Highly Recommend Book: "Free Play (The Power of Improvisation in Life and the Arts)" by Steven Nachmanovitch Cheers, eobe Jonathan El-Bizri wrote: > What does one do when one has too much creativity, and not enough > impetus/inspiration to work what one has got into something finished? > > I'm really, really good at starting things, bu From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Apr 24 21:00:26 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA25667; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 21:00:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 21:00:26 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "future perfect" To: Subject: RE: Playing out? -- Re: list etiquette Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 20:30:12 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 In-Reply-To: <0056910004703036000002L162*@MHS> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <"BOKpu.0.NL5.2NE1v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13812 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com How about something fairly standard in the subject line, like mine would read... GIG- Tampa, Florida area and the subject might say something like, oh I don't know, something like this... May 5 & 10 The Hazard Factor (thats my band) The Pharm (http://www.pharmreport.com) Dunedin, FL Hey, I was against this gig posting thing, but its FUN! loop on and on Dave Eichenberger- guitars/loops/devices http://home1.gte.net/artmusic/dave **************************************************** 'Hazard Factor' - spontaneous grooves http://home1.gte.net/artmusic/hazard 'Future Perfect' - art music http://home1.gte.net/artmusic/ > > I heartily agree with all who have siad, or nearly said, that one > of the best things about the LD list is that I can hear about > what other loopers are doing! > > Keep up the gig posts! > > Kamlapati > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Apr 24 21:18:37 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA27225; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 21:18:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 21:18:37 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <004b01bfae48$2f8b7450$82310140@concentric.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 17:58:34 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: rich Subject: Re: uncreativity Resent-Message-ID: <"-pIos1.0.-36.-nE1v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13814 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >What does one do when one has too much creativity, and not enough >impetus/inspiration to work what one has got into something finished? > >I'm really, really good at starting things, bu Limit the scope of your project...work small...get used to the process of 'finishing' and closing the loop. Practice closure. I find that the people respond better to a 'finished' project, no matter how simple or small, rather that an disconnected, unfocused 'work in progress'. A child's drawing always seems complete when they hand it to you, doesn't it? rich From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Apr 24 21:18:31 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA27218; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 21:18:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 21:18:31 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 21:14:29 -0400 (EDT) From: Unit Circle Media To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: list etiquette (from the guilty one) In-Reply-To: <004901bfad8b$43c05200$537cb2d0@computer> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: unitcirc@keys.com Resent-Message-ID: <"EbKzk1.0.SY6.06F1v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13815 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Asking is never crossing the line. It's good that you asked... Kevin Kevin Goldsmith kevin@unitcircle.com Unit Circle Media http://www.unitcircle.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Apr 24 21:23:57 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA28059; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 21:23:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 21:23:57 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <013e01bfae52$f9d684c0$0100005a@ne.mediaone.net> From: "Peter Shindler" To: References: Subject: Re: uncreativity Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 21:09:58 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <"EstD23.0.Cg6.mAF1v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13816 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Jonathan El-Bizri To: Sent: Monday, April 24, 2000 8:23 PM Subject: uncreativity > What does one do when one has too much creativity, and not enough > impetus/inspiration to work what one has got into something finished? > > I'm really, really good at starting things, bu Laughing out loud! I have the same problem. Usually, I just leave things unfinished. Given a couple of days, I'll almost always realize how lame most of my ideas are. It's the "pessimistic procrastination" method. Peter From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Apr 24 21:42:27 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA29562; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 21:42:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 21:42:27 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 21:26:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Unit Circle Media To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Playing out? -- Re: list etiquette In-Reply-To: <00b401bfae3a$22307340$657cb2d0@computer> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: unitcirc@keys.com Resent-Message-ID: <"5PdNg2.0.Rx6.XHF1v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13817 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I don't think anyone has said "no gig posts." As I said, I don't care if there are gig posts or not, just be sure to CLEARLY mark you gig posts as such so that those of us who aren't interested don't have to read them. Kevin Kevin Goldsmith kevin@unitcircle.com Unit Circle Media http://www.unitcircle.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Apr 24 21:45:19 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA30205; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 21:45:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 21:45:19 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3904EA30.6AF8EC66@inreach.com> References: <3904EA30.6AF8EC66@inreach.com> Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 21:04:48 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: Re: uncreativity Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <"jFxNl2.0.F_6.EKF1v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13818 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 5:43 PM -0700 4/24/00, eric wrote: >LIMIT THYSELF! > >(I'm one to talk. I have the same tendency.) Me too!!!! > >Highly Recommend Book: >"Free Play (The Power of Improvisation in Life and the Arts)" >by Steven Nachmanovitch > >Cheers, >eobe Indeed yes, a WONDERFUL(!!!) book. Also recommended is Derek Bailey's book on Improvised Music, the title of which I don't quite recall. > > >Jonathan El-Bizri wrote: > > > What does one do when one has too much creativity, and not enough > > impetus/inspiration to work what one has got into something finished? > > > > I'm really, really good at starting things, bu "The reasonable man adapts himself to the world. The unreasonable man persists in adapting the world to himself. Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man. -- George Bernard Shaw Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. Video Producer Image Processing Specialist Video for your HEAD! Boris FX http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Apr 24 21:55:26 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA31056; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 21:55:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 21:55:26 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <001301bfae58$d0c21a80$69da44d1@gary> From: "Gary Lehmann" To: References: Subject: Re: Looper as MIDIclock master Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 18:51:46 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <"pb74q1.0.HX7.OfF1v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13819 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hello Matthias! I am using the SR16, the big brother to the HR16, and it can record after synching to MIDI clock. You just have to be in compose mode. Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: Matthias Grob To: Sent: Monday, April 24, 2000 3:43 PM Subject: Looper as MIDIclock master > Hi > > Another "sequencer" question: > > We programmed the EDP to send out MIDIclock to drive a sequencer or > drum machine. We did endless tests to confirm the various clock > rates, StartSong, StopSong..., but since I rather dislike prerecorded > or even synthesized sounds in my music, I never used that feature. > ... until yesterday: I used an old HR16 drum machine and imagined > that I could record a bass line on the EDP and then program some drum > pattern into the HR16, in real time. It did not work. It seams that > the HR16 only records with internal clock. So I would have to prepare > the pattern and then start it from the EDP. Thats not my style. > Its not even possible to program something in non real time to fit to > the running loop and then start it synced (Exept with the not > finished LOOP4 soft, where MUTE-UNDO also can send a StartSong). > Maybe I should get some newer equipment... > > Does someone use a drum machine or stand alone sequencer slaved to > the MIDIclock out of some Looping device? > Can you program the drum sequence in real time? > > > ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Apr 24 22:28:24 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA01835; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 22:28:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 22:28:24 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <3904EA30.6AF8EC66@inreach.com> <3904EA30.6AF8EC66@inreach.com> Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 21:57:25 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Patrick Smith Subject: Re: uncreativity Bailey title Resent-Message-ID: <"PlCxh3.0.Hy7.8tF1v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13820 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > > Also recommended is Derek Bailey's book on Improvised Music, the >title of which I don't quite recall. > It is called. Improvisation: It's Nature and Practice in Music. great read. Patrick Fingerpaint's New Release: IN THE LOOP ... an intelligent, stimulating mixture of mimimaist spacebeats and obscure samples layered upon a hypnotic illbient backdrop. DIGITAL ARTIFACT # 12 http://www.fingerpaint.net From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Apr 24 23:13:49 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA07714; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 23:13:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 23:13:49 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <39050C6C.186D@ezworks.net> Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 23:09:42 -0400 From: Jeff Yost Reply-To: yostie@ezworks.net Organization: Zerone Audio Labs/DigiMete Arts/GigSwaP X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: creativity creativity References: <42.484fa3b.2635f4e6@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"B4xuC2.0.Sj1.BoG1v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13821 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I was thinking I was thinking I was thinking I was thinking We could loop it I was thinking I was thinking We could loop it We could loop it I was thinking I was thinking We could loop it I was thinking I was looping We could think it I was looping I was looping I was looping I was loop it I was loop it I was loop it thinking thinking looping thinking looping thinking I was could it I was could it looping thinking thinking looping could it could it I was could it it was could I I was loop it thinking thinking loop it loop it could I could I thinking looping looping could I could I think it think it looping looping looping I was thinking thinking could I could I think it looping thinking thinking could I could I loop it thinking thinking looping looping think I think I loop a looping think a could I loop a thinking I was looping looping looping Think a I was was a thinking thinking thinking loop a I was looping thinking thinking I was looping looping I was looping thinking thinking I was I was I was loop I was looping I was thinking I was could I could I thinking I was loop I think I was loop think ing I was was was was was was loop loop loop think I was think loop was I think loop could ... ... ... jeff rich wrote: > > >1. graphs > > -when I feel limited in a particular piece I'll often work from a graph. > >for instance, my ambient project used to play a chart of stock market > >returns over the past 50 years. very fun! we would "notate" the graph with > >colors for moods (blue=sad, red=intense, green=layered, etc) and indicate > >how long (length of time) each section would roughly take. some great > >results with this one. > > I had a couple of interesting performances a few years ago based on this > idea. The performance was called Kaballah Clocks and it was a half hour > piece, based tonally on the 10 'stations' of the mystical Kaballah. Each > station has a 'color' associated with it. Color resonates at a certain > light frequency, and we associated those (angstrom?) frequencies with Hz > frequencies of sound, so each 'station' had a tonal drone that we > improvised within. Each member of the ensemble had a clock in front of > them and we played in each 'station' for 3 minutes, and then mutated to the > next, and to the next, culminating at the top station of the Kaballah, > associated with Brilliant White light. > > Definitely a noisy piece, but what a crescendo! We were purely > improvising, and made no grandiose pretensions about how good the piece was > going to be. Afterwards, though, we had people coming up and saying how > amazing it was, and that they had drifted off into some state of meditation > during the piece, even though we had not introduced it in any way...it just > was the end of our set. > > Super fun and musically/experimentally/spiritually rewarding > > rich From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Apr 24 23:13:52 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA07718; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 23:13:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 23:13:52 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: stanitarium@earthlink.net Message-Id: <200004250310.UAA27355@falcon.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 16:05:03 -0800 Subject: Re: open reel deck looping?Re:DRUMDROPS To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"XaTwo3.0.Gm1.moG1v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13822 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Yeah I've recorded very lo-res cassettes-Lo-Fi xpermentation only-any ideas?? I remain, humbly...STANNER ---------- >From: "Larry Tremblay" >To: >Subject: Re: open reel deck looping?Re:DRUMDROPS >Date: Mon, Apr 24, 2000, 1:42 PM > >> Hey I don't know how many DRUMDROPS records were made but I have (5) of > them >> and they are "useful" in some context or another...GOINLOOPY...STANNER > > I think that's it. 5 volumes from Rock to Funk to Latin... > Have you recorded anything using them? > > Perfectly muffled 70's drums, no? ;) > > - Larry T > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Apr 24 23:36:03 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA09915; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 23:36:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 23:36:03 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: THusken@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 23:14:19 EDT Subject: Re: Bill Frisell's video? To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 105 Resent-Message-ID: <"8hw0Y.0.hv1.isG1v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13823 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com The Bill Frisell video "The Guitar Artistry of..." by Rittor music is fairly easy to order I believe. It is available through Warner Home Video. Happy hunting! From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Apr 25 00:16:29 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA14500; Tue, 25 Apr 2000 00:16:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 00:16:29 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3904E326.AF3C913B@erols.com> Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 00:13:41 +0000 From: "J.G. Wong" Reply-To: adaaxs@erols.com Organization: Tokusatsu.com, Tokusatsu Access Archive X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, "K. Douglas Baldwin" , ", Simon" Subject: open reel deck looping? References: <200004242248.SAA10669@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"NGrcM.0.4D3.PjH1v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13825 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I use a telescoping aluminum arm that has a spare guide from the machine I am using. For longer loops I use a microphone stand with a guide affixed to the top. Using a replacement guide is easier on the machine and tape and gives more consistent results. G. Wong I'm surprised no one has mentioned it, but one of the easiest ways to make a "looping fixture" on an open-reel machine is to simply build a wood face (probably plywood) around the machine, then use push - pins (y'know, the ones with the barrel-like upper parts) to extend the tape outwards from the deck. Least that's how I did it when I was a boy. Douglas Baldwin, Alpha male Coyote, the Trickster dbaldwin@suffolk.lib.ny.us From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Apr 25 00:17:48 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA14815; Tue, 25 Apr 2000 00:17:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 00:17:48 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <002001bfae6a$d0528aa0$0525fed8@swirlee.speakeasy.org> From: "Jan P" To: Subject: Re: uncreativity Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 21:00:36 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"OZD2B1.0.m-2.iYH1v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13824 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com one becomes an improviser, and fucks repertoire. -----Original Message----- From: Jonathan El-Bizri To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Monday, April 24, 2000 5:30 PM Subject: uncreativity >What does one do when one has too much creativity, and not enough >impetus/inspiration to work what one has got into something finished? > >I'm really, really good at starting things, bu > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Apr 25 02:12:09 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA27007; Tue, 25 Apr 2000 02:12:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 02:12:09 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <004a01bfadfc$88bfd3a0$36c5efd1@oemcomputer> References: <004a01bfadfc$88bfd3a0$36c5efd1@oemcomputer> Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 03:15:56 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: No Calif live/loop gig announcemt Cc: Kim Flint Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1255479130==_ma============" Resent-Message-ID: <"uhThA2.0.oY6.nQJ1v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13827 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com --============_-1255479130==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Hey, this must be in the same block as Kim lives! > > >AXiS MUNDi >TranceFusion Chant Band >invites you to >First-Press Prana - Rites of Spring >Live Music - Dancing - Kundalini Yoga - Visuals >Saturday, April 29th >8:00 pm $12.00 >TUVA Performance Space 510-655-9755 >3192 Adeline St. Berkeley Ashby Exit onto Ashby-Right onto >Martin Luther King- Corner Bldg.@1st Light where MLK becomes Adeline. > >Based on Devotional Yearning and Spontaneously Arising Sound, >AXIS MUNDI takes the ancient Kundalini Chant tradition into quantum >dimensions with Sonic-Shamanic effects as the human voice explores the >Wisdom Beyond Language and merges with a pulsing trance-rhythm stream. >This unique music creates a Resonant Energy Field for Ecstatic Experience. >Join us to participate in the COHERENT SQUEEZE as we >Celebrate The Rebirth of The Light. Wear your Dancing Shoes >and Festive MayDay Attire, and be prepared to BE IN SPIN. > >axis Mundi >Stuart Sovatsky - Sonic Chant >Sondra Slade - Producer/Percussion >Susie Goldenstein - Percussion >Travis Wernet - Didjeridoo >Cathryn Calderon - Ecstatic Dance >with >INTERACTIVE MEDIA by Uncle Puzzle >Sacred Space by Auntie Matter > >Contact, Booking & Info: >axismundi@jps.net 415-826-8644 > > > > > > > > > > > ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org --============_-1255479130==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Re: No Calif live/loop gig announcemt
Hey, this must be in the same block as Kim lives!




AXiS MUNDi
TranceFusion Chant Band
invites you to
First-Press Prana - Rites of Spring
Live Music - Dancing - Kundalini Yoga - Visuals
Saturday,  April 29th
8:00 pm   $12.00
TUVA Performance Space    510-655-9755
3192 Adeline St.  Berkeley  Ashby Exit onto Ashby-Right onto
Martin Luther King- Corner Bldg.@1st Light where MLK becomes Adeline.
 
Based on Devotional Yearning and Spontaneously Arising Sound,
AXIS MUNDI takes the ancient Kundalini Chant tradition into quantum
dimensions with Sonic-Shamanic effects as the human voice explores the
Wisdom Beyond Language and merges with a pulsing trance-rhythm stream.
This unique music creates a Resonant Energy Field for Ecstatic Experience.
Join us to participate in the COHERENT SQUEEZE as we
Celebrate The Rebirth of The Light.  Wear your Dancing Shoes
and Festive MayDay Attire, and be prepared to BE IN SPIN.
 
axis Mundi
Stuart Sovatsky - Sonic Chant
Sondra Slade - Producer/Percussion
Susie Goldenstein - Percussion
Travis Wernet - Didjeridoo
Cathryn Calderon - Ecstatic Dance
with
INTERACTIVE MEDIA by Uncle Puzzle
Sacred Space by Auntie Matter
 
Contact, Booking & Info:   axismundi@jps.net    415-826-8644
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 



         ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org
--============_-1255479130==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Apr 25 02:20:40 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA27594; Tue, 25 Apr 2000 02:20:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 02:20:40 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <000a01bfae7c$733823e0$f9a765ce@uday.gw1.dot.net.in> From: "Udayan Choudhury" To: Subject: Re: Different Sequencer question Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 11:33:53 +0530 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"ONMiO1.0.XE6.3EJ1v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13826 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thank You very much, Mr. Bill, for your note on the Orbit. And....sorry! I felt that rather than helping you, I disturbed you with my 'input'. Perhaps your email was not intended for the entire list (?) But it will help 'lesser mortals' like me if you could give more importance to "specifics". However, I would like to enter a few lines here for the benefit of anybody who knows what 'sysx messages' and DRMs mean and how to write them but is completely new to Cakewalk and is wondering how to integrate his/her DRMs into Cakewalk. Actually. its very simple ! - just paste your DRMs to the 'win.ini' file and save it. But, please be cautious not to disturb other elements in your win.ini file and keep a back up copy of it before making any modifications to it. Ofcourse, this means reasonably good familiarity with the win.ini file. But there's no other way to make DRMs for a particular instrument to appear automatically in the Cakewalk 'sysx ->receive -> DRM' dialog box. However, it is just much easier and simpler for us musicians if the modules we use consist of 'sysx dump' features. In that case, you could just click on "You start dump on instrument" in the DRM dialog box and thereafter start dumping from your instrument by selecting the relevant menu and pressing the relevant switch on your module. You need to store each different message, e.g. 'Patch settings, Performance settings etc.' (available in your sound module) in different banks and you can then use the 'send' button in the Cakewalk sysk dialog box to transmit those messages back to your sound module whenever you need to do so. Thank you and regards, Uday. -----Original Message----- From: Crossedout@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Monday, April 24, 2000 11:29 AM Subject: Re: Different Sequencer question >In a message dated 4/23/00 10:57:46 AM Central Daylight Time, >uday@gw1.vsnl.net.in writes: > ><< You should find > information about implementation of this messages in the manual of your > sound source- in this case, the orbit. (Sorry! I am hearing that name for > the first time and would like to know more about it) >> > >The Orbit is an EMU sound module, they have put out 5 that I know of in a >series, the first three were the Orbit, Planet Phatt and Carnival, each of >which have 600+ patches optimized for techno/dance, hiphop and Latin styles, >respectively. > >Recently they came out with an upgraded Planet Phatt called the Mo'Phatt, and >another one that's more techno style patches, the name of which escapes me. >But you should be able to find them on the web, just search for an EMU web >site. The Orbit and Planet Phatt seemed pretty similar, I just needed some >good sounds and the place I was shopping at had a demo model of the Orbit >that I could afford!! But it's packed with good stuff..... > >< also store this messages in the system exclusive banks which are provided > just for this purpose. >> > > >I know it'll do it, I just am having a problem finding out how to do it in >the manual. I'm not super familiar with Midi and sequencing, I'm coming from >a guitar background instead of a keyboard background, so it's a little tough >for me, as well as the fact that different manufacturers write their manuals >in totally different ways, using different phrases and words to acheive the >same ends.... it gets frustrating sometimes! > >Anyway, thanks much for your input. If you have any other questions about the >Orbit, let me know and I'll try to answer!! >- Bill >Crossedout@aol.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Apr 25 02:41:38 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA29218; Tue, 25 Apr 2000 02:41:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 02:41:38 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <009301bfae80$c69a2160$a01bbcc8@doutor> From: "juliomoreno" To: References: <004b01bfae48$2f8b7450$82310140@concentric.net> Subject: Re: uncreativity/child's drawing Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 03:37:47 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.3825.400 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.3825.400 Resent-Message-ID: <"Tl2iZ1.0.T57.ksJ1v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13828 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > A child's drawing always seems complete when they hand it to you, doesn't it? Really nice apreciation !!! From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Apr 25 04:42:16 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA05504; Tue, 25 Apr 2000 04:42:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 04:42:16 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <000f01bfae90$4022a840$65f538cb@steve> From: "Steven Woods" To: Subject: Fw: undesired posts and posts of questionable worth Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 18:28:35 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000C_01BFAEE4.111DB7C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"VuVXw3.0.d11.qQL1v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13829 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01BFAEE4.111DB7C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- To: Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2000 6:22 PM Subject: Re: undesired posts > Sorry you feel that way but > I didn't subscribe to Bill Fox's email list. > I shouldn't have to setup rules to block unsolicited email as a result of > one list subscription. > If many wrote in favour fine they are entitled to their opinion and what > goes in their inbox. > I don't consider it unfriendly, it was meant to be assertive not unfriendly > and it was my second request. > Putting the details in the topic is a good idea giving reader's the option > to read what is of interest or delete. > See attachment for an example of stuff I can't see the point in sending? > Steven > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Matthias Grob" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2000 8:43 AM > Subject: undesired posts > > > > >Bill Fox, > > > Can you unsubscribe me from this spam > > > > > >I don't live in USA and I don't want to receive this. > > > 2nd request. > > >I suscribed to Kims list BUT not yours. > > >Steven > > > > I find this unfriendly, Steven. We discussed it and many wrote in > > favour to Bills posting. > > I dont live in US either and there are many anouncements for shows > > that I could never go, but I still find it interesting to know whats > > happening. > > > > So I find Petr's apology rather unnecessary: > > > > >I am sorry if I was crossed over the line. I saw announcements of > various > > >gigs on the list many times before, so I did it too. I thought the line > is > > >whether the gig is about looping or not. If I caused "bad taste" to > anyone, > > >I apologize. > > > > as someone said: Post what you want, but think well about the subject > > you put so we can select what we are going to read... > > > > no violence > > Matthias > > > > > > ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org > > > > > ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01BFAEE4.111DB7C0 Content-Type: message/rfc822; name="Re_ creativity creativity.eml" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="Re_ creativity creativity.eml" Return-Path: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Received: from rosy.yourwebhost.com (rosy.yourwebhost.com [209.239.39.1]) by angel.comcen.com.au (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e3P3bMg60344 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2000 13:37:22 +1000 (EST) Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA09961; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 23:36:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 23:36:53 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <39050C6C.186D@ezworks.net> Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 23:09:42 -0400 From: Jeff Yost Reply-To: yostie@ezworks.net Organization: Zerone Audio Labs/DigiMete Arts/GigSwaP X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: creativity creativity References: <42.484fa3b.2635f4e6@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"B4xuC2.0.Sj1.BoG1v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13821 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com X-UIDL: 5be70612f265fb0d04c32aff217469c0 I was thinking I was thinking I was thinking I was thinking We could loop it I was thinking I was thinking We could loop it We could loop it I was thinking I was thinking We could loop it I was thinking I was looping We could think it I was looping I was looping I was looping I was loop it I was loop it I was loop it thinking thinking looping thinking looping thinking I was could it I was could it looping thinking thinking looping could it could it I was could it it was could I I was loop it thinking thinking loop it loop it could I could I thinking looping looping could I could I think it think it looping looping looping I was thinking thinking could I could I think it looping thinking thinking could I could I loop it thinking thinking looping looping think I think I loop a looping think a could I loop a thinking I was looping looping looping Think a I was was a thinking thinking thinking loop a I was looping thinking thinking I was looping looping I was looping thinking thinking I was I was I was loop I was looping I was thinking I was could I could I thinking I was loop I think I was loop think ing I was was was was was was loop loop loop think I was think loop was I think loop could ... ... ... jeff rich wrote: > > >1. graphs > > -when I feel limited in a particular piece I'll often work from a graph. > >for instance, my ambient project used to play a chart of stock market > >returns over the past 50 years. very fun! we would "notate" the graph with > >colors for moods (blue=sad, red=intense, green=layered, etc) and indicate > >how long (length of time) each section would roughly take. some great > >results with this one. > > I had a couple of interesting performances a few years ago based on this > idea. The performance was called Kaballah Clocks and it was a half hour > piece, based tonally on the 10 'stations' of the mystical Kaballah. Each > station has a 'color' associated with it. Color resonates at a certain > light frequency, and we associated those (angstrom?) frequencies with Hz > frequencies of sound, so each 'station' had a tonal drone that we > improvised within. Each member of the ensemble had a clock in front of > them and we played in each 'station' for 3 minutes, and then mutated to the > next, and to the next, culminating at the top station of the Kaballah, > associated with Brilliant White light. > > Definitely a noisy piece, but what a crescendo! We were purely > improvising, and made no grandiose pretensions about how good the piece was > going to be. Afterwards, though, we had people coming up and saying how > amazing it was, and that they had drifted off into some state of meditation > during the piece, even though we had not introduced it in any way...it just > was the end of our set. > > Super fun and musically/experimentally/spiritually rewarding > > rich ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01BFAEE4.111DB7C0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Apr 25 05:50:16 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA10445; Tue, 25 Apr 2000 05:50:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 05:50:16 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: APerson7531@aol.com Message-ID: <4c.4966023.2636bcfa@aol.com> Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 05:18:50 EDT Subject: HI Yall To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 147 Resent-Message-ID: <"NXMkr1.0.Gy1.WCM1v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13830 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Does anybody in this maze of Loopers know what is usable for the sole purpose of saving all the settings and patterns of my drum machines so I can share them without having to lose the pattern info? Thank you all From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Apr 25 06:24:52 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA12838; Tue, 25 Apr 2000 06:24:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 06:24:52 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000425062441.007b9330@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 06:24:41 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Fw: undesired posts and posts of questionable worth In-Reply-To: <000f01bfae90$4022a840$65f538cb@steve> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"uP9EX3.0._43.Q7N1v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13831 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mr. Woods, I'm sure I speak for many of us in asking: Please do not send unsolicited ATTACHMENTS to a mailing list! Tim From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Apr 25 07:16:07 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA16897; Tue, 25 Apr 2000 07:16:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 07:16:07 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhUAlHzmr3/X5Oa2QBWBY8MDT0YM07UCFCHYob9pmsAZJgGBvejiV5e9zdio From: DanKoontz@webtv.net (Dan Koontz) Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 03:59:12 -0700 (PDT) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Playing out? -- Re: list etiquette Message-ID: <4826-39057A80-7578@storefull-166.iap.bryant.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: "Mike Biffle" 's message of Mon, 24 Apr 2000 15:36:38 -0700 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Resent-Message-ID: <"DNtXt3.0.Pl3.3gN1v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13832 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I support Mike's opinion. I think there's nothing wrong with posting gigs on this site. This list is for discussing looping: various techniques, new technology, etc. Listing looper's gigs is a great way for people to go see how these ideas and the technology is integrated into actual music / performances, since 99% of the gigs listed on this site are going to be looping-related. Anyway, that's what I think.. - Dan From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Apr 25 08:33:09 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA23283; Tue, 25 Apr 2000 08:33:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 08:33:09 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000425121615.33986.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [165.227.138.143] From: "David Potter" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: list etiquette >> Loop venues and Santa Cruz Loop Jam Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 05:16:15 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"D110f1.0.OL5.loO1v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13833 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I'd love to join in. How many guy or gals are there room for? Om and Out Papa Dave >From: "Mike Biffle" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, ltct@concentric.net, >baumhaus@earthlink.net >Subject: Re: list etiquette >> Loop venues and Santa Cruz Loop Jam >Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 10:02:18 -0700 > >Well... I'm putting together a looper jam in Santa Cruz, California, >tentatively scheduled Sunday, June 25th, from 2:00pm - 8pm-ish... >maybe later... hoping to record the proceedings. Please respond if >this is of interest to any of you. I'll send out invitations shortly! > >This is a continuation of the networking we all do by announcing >gigs, philosophy and basically having dialog about all aspects of our >musical lives revolving around our common interest in looping. > >Best regards, >-Miko > > >>> "Larry Tremblay" 04/24 9:30 AM >>> >This idea may not be feasible, but has anyone considered a >Looperpalooza-type tour of friendly >venues, cable access TV and indie radio? > >It's my feeling that the looper idea has permeated the mainstream >enough that it's become a significant >sub-culture. I mean, fewer music store salesguys look at me sideways >now when I mention looping to them. Anyone think this is a good idea? >- Larry T > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Mike Biffle" > > Keep posting them... It's nice to get a feel for the various venues >which welcome this type of music. I save postings with venues which >might be of interest to me either as a performer or audient. Best, >-Miko > ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Apr 25 08:49:57 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA24777; Tue, 25 Apr 2000 08:49:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 08:49:57 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <390593D6.4AFC066A@node.net> Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 08:47:18 -0400 From: James Keepnews Reply-To: keepnews@node.net Organization: > - - node - - < X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: List Etiquette -- "CLEARLY Marked Gig Post" References: <200004250154.VAA30972@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"xMpIH.0.3_5.PFP1v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13834 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > As I said, I don't care if there are gig posts or not, just be sure to > CLEARLY mark you gig posts as such so that those of us who aren't > interested don't have to read them. > all's fair in love and p.r., up to and including your eminently fair, clarified request above. so, mea culpa, mea culpa, mea gigabyte culpa, Kevin and all lovers de la loop, for self-promotion past and very present, indeed...the press release for my next gig(s) went a little something like this -- love to see you all/some there, then: "For Immediate Release: PEEKSKILL DUB ASSASSINS TO MANIFEST THE FIRST THREE SATURDAYS IN MAY AT ONE STATION PLAZA IN PEEKSKILL, NY FROM 3 PM ONWARD April 19 - A loose collective of musical experimenters from a wide variety of backgrounds will descend upon the musician-run performance space, One Station Plaza, on the first three Saturdays during the month of May. Performing under the name Peekskill Dub Assassins, the assemblage will improvise music informed by the musical continuum between dub and jungle/drum-'n-bass/ambient music(s), while engaging the sensibilities of jazz, noise, hardcore, experimental electronic music and the music(s) of non-Western cultures. The performances -- convened by Peekskill multimedia artist, James Keepnews -- will take place every Saturday in May (_EXCEPT_ May 27) beginning at 3 PM and continuing therefrom. An admission of $3 will be collected at the door. For more information on the Peekskill Dub Assassins performances, please call 212.353.6971 or e-mail keepnews@node.net. One Station Plaza -- founded by the late free-jazz guitar legend, Sonny Sharrock -- is located at 38 North Division Street in Peekskill, NY. Their phone number is 914.736.1053." _______________________________________________________________________ ~ > -- James Keepnews -- < "Put oneself into a state of intense (.-.) * ignorance and curiosity, and yet ( \ > - Multimedia Yahoo - < see things in advance." - * " > keepnews@node.net < -- Robert Bresson (1901-1999) _______________________________________________________________________ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Apr 25 09:01:54 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA26173; Tue, 25 Apr 2000 09:01:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 09:01:54 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000425125851.204.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [165.227.138.143] From: "David Potter" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: DT recomendation, was: Instructional video Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 05:58:51 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"wg0mF2.0.AJ6.iQP1v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13835 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I have done home style video shooting for years and would help on a west coast shoot. I am good with the camera and slow panning and capturing the moment. Om and Out Papa Dave >From: Matthias Grob >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Subject: Re: DT recomendation, was: Instructional video >Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 19:43:04 -0300 > >>sketchy, >>thanks for the endorsement of me (now old, i'm afraid) video; >>personally, i really wish it had been more loop-comprehensive/focussed--- >>& i >>wish that it hadn't been shot all in one day, a day... by the by... on >>which >>i was recovering from the type of seizure to which i's occasionally >>subjected: >>i was feelin' *really* funky..... >>also: >>some time back, there was some chitchat twixt kim, gibson & meself >>re: producing an EDP instructavid; >>obviously, it never happened. >>while i still haven't plumbed the plumbable depths of the *current* EDP >>software: >>--(i'm sure that many of y'all take much deeper advantage of the beast's >>capabilities)-- >>i'd still be interested in such an event-production, esp. if it were in >>collaboration w/a more knowledgeable sort than i; ie, kim or someone else. >>ruminating: as usual. >>dt > >Yes, fine: A couple of different musicians show different methods and >the over-all impression would be more open: a variety styles, >instruments, setups, philosophies... >Nowadays, many people have a camera - which does not mean they can do >good video, but what I have seen from those instructional videos, the >public is not very demanding is this respect - so it seams possible >that several musicians film the way they build up their music. Then >those results could be compiled and completed with some more >"theoretic" explanations, animated versions of the drawings in the >manual... I guess Gibson would support such a project. > >Anyone into video? > > > ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org > ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Apr 25 09:25:20 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA28393; Tue, 25 Apr 2000 09:25:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 09:25:20 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <002001bfaeb8$0698b5b0$9f310140@concentric.net> From: "Larry Tremblay" To: References: <4c.4966023.2636bcfa@aol.com> Subject: Re: HI Yall Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 09:13:18 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"MsVVi.0.2Y6.LaP1v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13836 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Depends on the drum machine. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2000 5:18 AM Subject: HI Yall > Does anybody in this maze of Loopers > know what is usable for the sole purpose of > saving all the settings and patterns of my drum machines > so I can share them without having to lose the pattern info? > Thank you all > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Apr 25 09:29:39 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA28952; Tue, 25 Apr 2000 09:29:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 09:29:39 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <005801bfaeba$481d19c0$9f310140@concentric.net> From: "Larry Tremblay" To: , References: <3904EA30.6AF8EC66@inreach.com> Subject: Re: uncreativity - Paging Dr T :) Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 09:29:26 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"C9EIf3.0.rz6.-pP1v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13837 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Dr T, What ever happened to the Algorithmic Composer? I thought it was a great piece of software. Then I got rid of my C-64 :) Any plans for a Windows or MAC version of the original program? Hmmmmm? Regards, - Larry T ----- Original Message ----- From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" To: Sent: Monday, April 24, 2000 9:04 PM Subject: Re: uncreativity > At 5:43 PM -0700 4/24/00, eric wrote: > >LIMIT THYSELF! > > > >(I'm one to talk. I have the same tendency.) > > > Me too!!!! > > > > >Highly Recommend Book: > >"Free Play (The Power of Improvisation in Life and the Arts)" > >by Steven Nachmanovitch > > > >Cheers, > >eobe > > > Indeed yes, a WONDERFUL(!!!) book. > > Also recommended is Derek Bailey's book on Improvised Music, the > title of which I don't quite recall. > > > > > > >Jonathan El-Bizri wrote: > > > > > What does one do when one has too much creativity, and not enough > > > impetus/inspiration to work what one has got into something finished? > > > > > > I'm really, really good at starting things, bu > > > "The reasonable man adapts himself to the world. The unreasonable man > persists in adapting the world to himself. Therefore, all progress > depends on the unreasonable man. > > -- George Bernard Shaw > > Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. > Video Producer Image Processing Specialist > Video for your HEAD! Boris FX > http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Apr 25 09:31:31 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA29313; Tue, 25 Apr 2000 09:31:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 09:31:31 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <000901bfaebb$5dca0020$2d9bb8d4@oemcomputer> From: L.Angulo@t-online.de (Luis Angulo) To: References: <005601bfaa8f$c6cf8fc0$2bc0d6d1@oemcomputer> <004001bfab07$39b44720$8f368218@we.mediaone.net> Subject: Re: Negativland becomes U2 becomes Eno Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 14:58:55 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Sender: 320086123907-0001@t-dialin.net Resent-Message-ID: <"ZsD3_.0.527.vrP1v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13838 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com WHAT DOES IMHO MEANS? From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Apr 25 09:47:14 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA31015; Tue, 25 Apr 2000 09:47:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 09:47:14 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: partagas.dragonet.es: dinamic1-45.drago.net [195.76.196.45] didn't use HELO protocol Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.20000425153408.00825210@mail.dragonet.es> X-Sender: d3055@mail.dragonet.es X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 15:34:08 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Ra=FCl?= Bonell =?iso-8859-1?Q?Tom=E0s?= Subject: For Sale: SIMMS for the Plex Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"D9lW52.0.167.YtP1v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13839 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com hi guys ! A friend of mine has given me several 30 pins' simms that work for the Echoplex. They upbgrade Plex memory in 7 seconds aprox. each one (remember that there are four sockets for putting them). I've cheked them with my Plex ( that i have upgraded to 100 sec.) and it showed 107 sec. on the plex screen. I supose these are 512Kb simms, isn't Kim ? With four of them you'll have 25 sec. of looping time for the plex. Ok., i'd like to sell them since i don't need them all. If somebody is interested, contact me privately at, rauboto@dragonet.es keep looping, RBT From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Apr 25 10:27:29 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA03059; Tue, 25 Apr 2000 10:27:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 10:27:29 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <010a01bfaec0$fa679730$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: Subject: Re: undesired posts and posts of questionable worth Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 09:17:24 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"4BX2b3.0._e.XfQ1v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13840 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > See attachment for an example of stuff I can't see the point in sending? I guess we DO have a wide variety of interests on this list. I found "I Was Thinking" so interesting that I forwarded it to members of my improv group. I'm not questioning that you found the posting a waste of time/bandwidth. With all due respect to fellow list members, I find several of our discussion threads do not interest me. So what. That's just me. I'm sure others find these posting quite informative. They should continue, IMHO. Since we're a community, we live with each other's idiosyncracies, including help, rants, raves, and rambles. Tolerance, a meaningful "Subject" line, and a quick finger on the DELETE key will ease our dialogue (or is it N-logue?). I don't mean to sound patronizing. I just want to remind everybody to lighten up. Dennis Leas ----------------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Apr 25 10:46:37 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA05387; Tue, 25 Apr 2000 10:46:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 10:46:37 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <011701bfaec1$65017a20$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: Subject: Re: Negativland becomes U2 becomes Eno Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 09:20:23 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"K62BD2.0.sj.GiQ1v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13841 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com IMHO - in my humble opinion IMNSHO - in my not so humble opinion (usually meant humorously) Dennis Leas ----------------------------- dennis@mdbs.com -----Original Message----- From: Luis Angulo To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Tuesday, April 25, 2000 8:34 AM Subject: Re: Negativland becomes U2 becomes Eno >WHAT DOES IMHO MEANS? > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Apr 25 11:04:18 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA07353; Tue, 25 Apr 2000 11:04:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 11:04:18 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Phaedebk@aol.com Message-ID: <48.483b97b.26370c81@aol.com> Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 10:58:09 EDT Subject: Re: Different Sequencer question / New member To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 33 Resent-Message-ID: <"GdFLu.0.ec1.bAR1v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13842 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 4/24/00 5:49:49 PM Eastern Daylight Time, j.pokorny@worldnet.att.net writes: << j.pokorny@worldnet.att.net >> Namaste, Udayan-ji, aap se milkar bada khushi hui! Su-swagatam! James, Hey man, been a while, how goes it? What's new? What is the translation of the above, if you don't mind? On my end of the spectrum, I finally got the nerve up, went out and got a used stick, and have to say that I've been having a serious blast with the beast, though getting used to keeping both hands totally independent of one another is a majour curve! More towards folk instruments, picked up a great little guitar-necked dulcimer from a friend at http://www.ren-music.com Also got Ken (the husband of this family business) totally hooked on the idea of building a similiar instrument to my Chapman Stick. Been buggin' me to bring it the next time I visit so he can take a few pictures, and measurements. LOL! Tap on and loop out. P'hir milenge, Lee From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Apr 25 11:44:49 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA12561; Tue, 25 Apr 2000 11:44:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 11:44:49 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20000425125851.204.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 08:31:36 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: rich Subject: Re: DT recomendation, was: Instructional video Resent-Message-ID: <"Yd0q6.0.LT2.RaR1v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13843 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I work for an Ad Agency (So Cal, Orange County) with a high end digital photography studio and full design facilities. We have studio space, backdrops and HMI flicker-free lighting, which serves well for dig. photography, film and video. We have been itching for a doorway into video for a couple of years now. I will ask if they are interested in such a thing, but i doubt if they would go for a low-budjet shoestring sort of thing. If Gibson was interested, that might be the trick... rich >I have done home style video shooting for years and would help on a west >coast shoot. I am good with the camera and slow panning and capturing the >moment. Om and Out Papa Dave > > >>From: Matthias Grob >>Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >>To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >>Subject: Re: DT recomendation, was: Instructional video >>Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 19:43:04 -0300 >> >>>sketchy, >>>thanks for the endorsement of me (now old, i'm afraid) video; >>>personally, i really wish it had been more loop-comprehensive/focussed--- >>>& i >>>wish that it hadn't been shot all in one day, a day... by the by... on >>>which >>>i was recovering from the type of seizure to which i's occasionally >>>subjected: >>>i was feelin' *really* funky..... >>>also: >>>some time back, there was some chitchat twixt kim, gibson & meself >>>re: producing an EDP instructavid; >>>obviously, it never happened. >>>while i still haven't plumbed the plumbable depths of the *current* EDP >>>software: >>>--(i'm sure that many of y'all take much deeper advantage of the beast's >>>capabilities)-- >>>i'd still be interested in such an event-production, esp. if it were in >>>collaboration w/a more knowledgeable sort than i; ie, kim or someone else. >>>ruminating: as usual. >>>dt >> >>Yes, fine: A couple of different musicians show different methods and >>the over-all impression would be more open: a variety styles, >>instruments, setups, philosophies... >>Nowadays, many people have a camera - which does not mean they can do >>good video, but what I have seen from those instructional videos, the >>public is not very demanding is this respect - so it seams possible >>that several musicians film the way they build up their music. Then >>those results could be compiled and completed with some more >>"theoretic" explanations, animated versions of the drawings in the >>manual... I guess Gibson would support such a project. >> >>Anyone into video? >> >> >> ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org >> > >________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Apr 25 11:45:04 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA12652; Tue, 25 Apr 2000 11:45:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 11:45:04 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Phaedebk@aol.com Message-ID: <6d.306a708.263714ae@aol.com> Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 11:33:02 EDT Subject: Sorry about the message to the list, guys To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 33 Resent-Message-ID: <"myfUd2.0.km2.MhR1v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13844 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Ugh,... Too many hours at work and not enough sleep. Gomenasai. Lee-ohki. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Apr 25 12:40:05 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA18642; Tue, 25 Apr 2000 12:40:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 12:40:05 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: larry.peterson@autodesk.com Message-ID: <5976CCA1A985D311953900805FA7CAE36D4B6C@hqmsgsrf07.autodesk.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: uncreativity Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 09:21:43 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <"pZpGZ1.0.L14.fOS1v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13845 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > >What does one do when one has too much creativity, and not enough > >impetus/inspiration to work what one has got into something finished? > > > >I'm really, really good at starting things, bu > > > Limit the scope of your project...work small...get used to > the process of > 'finishing' and closing the loop. Practice closure. I look for time where I don't have anything scheduled. For example, I've got a laptop for work and I've got a copy of Acid(TM) on it. When I'm at work and using my workstation for some time-intensive process (building the product takes 15-90 minutes or running a test cycle takes ~20 miunutes), I can fire up Acid and make some tweaks. I'm especially looking forward to a flying trip this weekend (anybody else create music on airplanes?). - Larry From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Apr 25 13:16:54 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA22458; Tue, 25 Apr 2000 13:16:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 13:16:54 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <001301bfaed9$24406740$f4a765ce@uday.gw1.dot.net.in> From: "Udayan Choudhury" To: Subject: Re: Different Sequencer question / New member Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 22:40:21 +0530 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"i1uO11.0.l25.6yS1v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13846 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Aadarniya James-ji, Dhanyabaad ! Aapkobhi mera namaste aur haardik shubhkaamnaye. That was really cool ! Well, I am overwhelmed and gratified. Never knew that India and Indians are loved so much. Thanks again, Uday. -----Original Message----- From: James Pokorny To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Tuesday, April 25, 2000 4:08 AM Subject: Re: Different Sequencer question / New member >I'll second that! > >Namaste, Udayan-ji, aap se milkar bada khushi hui! > >Su-swagatam! > >James > >-----Original Message----- >From: eric >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Date: Sunday, April 23, 2000 6:59 PM >Subject: Re: Different Sequencer question > > >> >> >>Udayan Choudhury wrote: >> >>> I am a very humble music enthusiast from North-East India. >> >>Hello to Udayan! >>Glad you're with us. >>I love India. >>Cheers, >>eobe >> >> >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Apr 25 14:59:24 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA32252; Tue, 25 Apr 2000 14:59:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 14:59:24 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000425185228.91233.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [205.155.29.82] From: "David Potter" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: uncreativity Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 11:52:28 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"ElfPb.0.Ak7.DcU1v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13847 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com "It's better to be done than satisfied" Om and Out >From: "Peter Shindler" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >To: >Subject: Re: uncreativity >Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 21:09:58 -0400 > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Jonathan El-Bizri >To: >Sent: Monday, April 24, 2000 8:23 PM >Subject: uncreativity > > > > What does one do when one has too much creativity, and not enough > > impetus/inspiration to work what one has got into something finished? > > > > I'm really, really good at starting things, bu > >Laughing out loud! > >I have the same problem. Usually, I just leave things unfinished. Given a >couple of days, I'll almost always realize how lame most of my ideas are. >It's the "pessimistic procrastination" method. > > >Peter > ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Apr 25 16:19:42 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA09260; Tue, 25 Apr 2000 16:19:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 16:19:42 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000425194828.87800.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [204.247.186.99] From: "matt davignon" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Playing out? -- Re: list etiquette Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 12:48:28 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"sLu9f2.0.-N1.jQV1v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13848 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com My opinion is: Postings about local loop-related shows: OK Postings about weekly loop-related radio programs: OK Part of subscribing to a forum is that you're going to get at least some e-mail that you're not interested in or doesn't particularly pertain to you. If you don't want to hear about Bill's weekly show, just delete it. It takes about 1/4 of a second to hit the delete button. I think it's on-topic, since he often plays tracks from loopers from this list. If you want, get the digest version of LD e-mail and you'll only get one message per day. Matt ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Apr 25 16:13:58 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA08534; Tue, 25 Apr 2000 16:13:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 16:13:58 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3905F802.29B0BED5@ppi2pass.com> Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 12:54:43 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro Reply-To: msottilaro@ppi2pass.com Organization: PPI X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Subject: Re: SC Loop Jam - - Responses so far... References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"-PEQ5.0._W1.zWV1v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13849 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wow, this sounds like it's going to be great. Valerie and I are going to make a weekend of it, as I've never really been to Santa Cruz. (East coast posse) Can anyone recommend a decent but not too expensive place for two people two stay for the weekend? We're thinking of coming down on friday morning, and leaving after the loopage. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Apr 25 16:43:57 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA11608; Tue, 25 Apr 2000 16:43:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 16:43:57 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.20000425153408.00825210@mail.dragonet.es> References: <3.0.1.32.20000425153408.00825210@mail.dragonet.es> Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 17:19:00 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: For Sale: SIMMS for the Plex Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <"Ve8gx2.0.I22.CnV1v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13851 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >hi guys ! > > A friend of mine has given me > several 30 pins' simms that work for > the Echoplex. > > They upbgrade Plex memory > in 7 seconds aprox. each one (remember > that there are four sockets for putting > them). They work in pairs > > I've cheked them with my Plex ( that i have > upgraded to 100 sec.) and it showed > 107 sec. on the plex screen. > > I supose these are 512Kb simms, isn't Kim ? > With four of them you'll have 25 sec. of looping > time for the plex. No, there are just 256k, 1M and 4M simms. To get 100 sec, you need one pair of 4M simms. So I think you got a pair of 4M plus a pair of 256k. Test them by pairs in the Bank 0 (indicated between sockets and transformer) to find out what you have got, but consider that if you put a pair of different size, the indication at startup will depend to the smaller one. ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Apr 25 16:58:02 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA13621; Tue, 25 Apr 2000 16:58:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 16:58:02 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <013e01bfae52$f9d684c0$0100005a@ne.mediaone.net> References: <013e01bfae52$f9d684c0$0100005a@ne.mediaone.net> Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 17:19:00 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: uncreativity Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <"VqD7z2.0.P32.LnV1v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13853 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >Jonathan El-Bizri : > >> What does one do when one has too much creativity, and not enough >> impetus/inspiration to work what one has got into something finished? >> >> I'm really, really good at starting things, bu > >Laughing out loud! > >I have the same problem. Usually, I just leave things unfinished. Given a >couple of days, I'll almost always realize how lame most of my ideas are. >It's the "pessimistic procrastination" method. > >Peter hm... its interesting really to give it some time. I usually do the edition a while, up to years after the recording, because then I feel much more acurate which parts really say something (usually the ones I remember having heard before). ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Apr 25 17:01:35 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA13952; Tue, 25 Apr 2000 17:01:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 17:01:35 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <004b01bfae48$2f8b7450$82310140@concentric.net> Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 17:19:00 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: uncreativity Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <"GoWNu2.0.k22.HnV1v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13852 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > >Limit the scope of your project...work small...get used to the process of >'finishing' and closing the loop. Practice closure. > >I find that the people respond better to a 'finished' project, no matter >how simple or small, rather that an disconnected, unfocused 'work in >progress'. > >A child's drawing always seems complete when they hand it to you, doesn't it? > I like this a lot. I must say though, that the limitation can turn into acomodation. For 15 years I record loop music with the limits: - no overdubs - just guitar (many sounds, but no synth) or a partner with another instrument also real time - simple edits, keep the original chronological order For some time I feel I should open up into one direction. For example I sometimes record with a partner and use separate tracks to edit each instrument separately. This gives me such a lot o new ways to edit that I end up not doing the work! Now imagine if I start recording keyboards over all of my recordings or simply allow to mix several recordings - I am AFFRAID OF THE DECISIONS TO TAKE! George Bernard Shaw is great, too: :-) >"The reasonable man adapts himself to the world. the principle of Nature >The unreasonable man persists in adapting the world to himself. the principle of Culture >Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man. A law only change after many had the curage to disrespect it. They often pay hard for the progress of the others. Somebody cites in his signature something like: "Its never a problem to get new ideas, but to get rid of the old ones." Fits well. ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Apr 25 17:16:52 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA15577; Tue, 25 Apr 2000 17:16:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 17:16:52 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000425204450.38898.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [131.107.3.86] From: "Greg S" To: References: Subject: 2 David Torn questions: homepage and video Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 13:41:52 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <"TAgR7.0.Pu2.YFW1v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13854 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com 1) Is the aforementioned video "Painting with Guitar" still available? If so, where? 2) a while back, someone created a DT home page. What was the address? LD archive search didn't prove too helpful. Simply searching on "David Torn" produced no results (????). User error? 3) (I know, I said 2). I like gig annoucements. I find them encouraging and... inspirational. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Apr 25 17:19:39 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA15782; Tue, 25 Apr 2000 17:19:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 17:19:39 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: APerson7531@aol.com Message-ID: <6d.308d894.26375e24@aol.com> Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 16:46:28 EDT Subject: Re: open reel deck looping? To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 147 Resent-Message-ID: <"KoJ9e3.0.wx2.BHW1v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13855 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com You people who have discovered the key for finding limitless looping for rythmns as long as you can possibly imagine are amazing! What should I get first in order to start trying this. Cuz I really don't like the memory limits and bullshit that come with digital. Anyway I am Motley and I love everyone! From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Apr 25 17:10:02 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA14676; Tue, 25 Apr 2000 17:10:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 17:10:02 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: Subject: RE: uncreativity Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 13:08:16 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <20000425185228.91233.qmail@hotmail.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Resent-Message-ID: <"u2Xmq.0.Lq1.dhV1v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13850 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com bIz -----Original Message----- From: David Potter [mailto:papadave55@hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2000 11:52 AM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: uncreativity "It's better to be done than satisfied" Om and Out >From: "Peter Shindler" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >To: >Subject: Re: uncreativity >Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 21:09:58 -0400 > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Jonathan El-Bizri >To: >Sent: Monday, April 24, 2000 8:23 PM >Subject: uncreativity > > > > What does one do when one has too much creativity, and not enough > > impetus/inspiration to work what one has got into something finished? > > > > I'm really, really good at starting things, bu > >Laughing out loud! > >I have the same problem. Usually, I just leave things unfinished. Given a >couple of days, I'll almost always realize how lame most of my ideas are. >It's the "pessimistic procrastination" method. > > >Peter > ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Apr 25 18:45:18 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA23412; Tue, 25 Apr 2000 18:45:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 18:45:18 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: THusken@aol.com Message-ID: <7d.403257e.26376de7@aol.com> Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 17:53:43 EDT Subject: Re: 2 David Torn questions: homepage and video To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 105 Resent-Message-ID: <"U6VWo1.0.Ih4.DGX1v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13856 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Howdy people! Okay Greg, here it goes. 1.) I think the DT video is still available from Homespun Video 1-800-33-TAPES 2.) DT's website was located at http://ott-outreach.engin.umich.edu/torn/ but I think it's been wiped out for a while now. 3.) By the way, I don't mind hearing about gigs either. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Apr 25 19:16:20 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA26378; Tue, 25 Apr 2000 19:16:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 19:16:20 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <014201bfaf0c$3724cc10$4d310140@concentric.net> From: "Larry Tremblay" To: References: <6d.308d894.26375e24@aol.com> Subject: Re: open reel deck looping? Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 19:15:38 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"zX4RV1.0.VL6.lPY1v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13859 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Even though it's digital, the AKI Head Rush can simulate a 4-head echo machine pretty well, and it's only about $200. The Digitech RDS series of rackmount delays are a good place to start too. On the other hand, getting your hands on a pair of cheap 3-head reel-to-reel machines is an infinitely more flexible and analog approach. Plus you have the facility to varispeed, edit, splice, and otherwise mangle your source material anyway you want. - Larry T ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2000 4:46 PM Subject: Re: open reel deck looping? > You people who have discovered the key for finding limitless looping for > rythmns as long as you can possibly imagine are amazing! What should I get > first in order to start trying this. Cuz I really don't like the memory > limits and bullshit that come with digital. Anyway I am Motley and I love > everyone! > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Apr 25 19:16:10 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA26348; Tue, 25 Apr 2000 19:16:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 19:16:10 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <39061611.6557DB8C@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 15:03:36 -0700 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: open reel deck looping? References: <6d.308d894.26375e24@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"mbw4a3.0.qq4.JKX1v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13857 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com APerson7531@aol.com wrote: > You people who have discovered the key for finding limitless looping for > rythmns as long as you can possibly imagine are amazing! What should I get > first in order to start trying this. Cuz I really don't like the memory > limits and bullshit that come with digital. Anyway I am Motley and I love > everyone! wow, sure is nice getting all this free love :-) digital memory limits aren't such a problem for me (it's my own memory that i worry about!), but the notion of creating really long tape loops as a performance element (visually and musically) is somewhat intriguing. i wonder, of those of you who have done the tape bit, what is the longest loop you have created? while on the subject, i wanna thank everyone who's responded to the open reel looping thread. i haven't had time to work on this yet, but hope to get to it soon. lance g. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Apr 25 20:00:42 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA31065; Tue, 25 Apr 2000 20:00:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 20:00:42 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000425231538.73199.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [131.107.3.86] From: "Greg S" To: References: <7d.403257e.26376de7@aol.com> Subject: Re: 2 David Torn questions: homepage and video Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 16:12:27 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <"isTUj.0.mR6.wSY1v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13860 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > DT's website was located at > http://ott-outreach.engin.umich.edu/torn/ This one I found, but wasn't the one in question. Sometime around Dec. or so I remember an LD member putting up another page that was a little more.... stylin'. No slam on the link above. It's certainly functional. Maybe more of a fan-page than a true home-page. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Apr 25 19:50:06 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA30101; Tue, 25 Apr 2000 19:50:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 19:50:06 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <003901bfaf24$8c317c40$0101a8c0@pavilion> From: "Brian Mulvey" To: , References: <005801bfaeba$481d19c0$9f310140@concentric.net> Subject: Re: uncreativity - Paging Dr T :) Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 19:10:07 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <"VnZcp1.0.NA6.yHY1v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13858 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I currently use a program called 'A Musical Generator', it's a rather hacked-together windows shareware program, that lets you chain together math algo., fractals, data streams, and the like, and patch them to notes, etc. on your General MIDI synth. Also lets you set up keys and modes and ranges for the notes. It's pretty cool, if a bit buggy. Look for it on Shareware Music Machine. bri > Dr T, > > What ever happened to the Algorithmic Composer? I thought it > was a great piece of software. Then I got rid of my C-64 :) > > Any plans for a Windows or MAC version of the original > program? Hmmmmm? > > Regards, > - Larry T From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Apr 25 20:39:02 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA02318; Tue, 25 Apr 2000 20:39:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 20:39:02 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Pedro Felix" To: Subject: Re: 2 David Torn questions: homepage and video Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 20:09:36 -0500 Message-ID: <01bfaf1c$16ef7480$e9344f0c@Wroswick.uvm.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"5gKl6.0.az7.RIZ1v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13861 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is one of the better sites i've come across thus far: http://www.gaalore.com/davidtorn.nsf PedrOOrdeP >> DT's website was located at >> http://ott-outreach.engin.umich.edu/torn/ > >This one I found, but wasn't the one in question. Sometime around Dec. or >so I remember an LD member putting up another page that was a little >more.... stylin'. No slam on the link above. It's certainly functional. > >Maybe more of a fan-page than a true home-page. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Apr 25 22:16:33 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA10498; Tue, 25 Apr 2000 22:16:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 22:16:33 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000425214445.007be100@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 21:44:45 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: open reel deck looping? In-Reply-To: <39061611.6557DB8C@earthlink.net> References: <6d.308d894.26375e24@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"nw_9W3.0.Hq1.2ga1v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13862 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 03:03 PM 4/25/00 -0700, Lance wrote: >i wonder, >of those of you who have done the tape bit, what is the longest loop you have >created? > Back in the early 80's, I had an Akai GX4000D and my roommate had (I think) a Realistic open-reel that we used to hook together like we were Fripp and Eno. (I usually had to be Fripp to his Eno, which I assume was because of my nearsightedness and his thinning hair, but I never really asked...) One time we put the two machines at the distant ends of our dormitory hallway, and had a couple of open mics and a BigMuffed/volumepedaled guitar and a Casio going through a Radio Shack mixer into the first deck. (We lived in the basement of the dorm, so this hallway only had rooms on one side of the hall, and doors suddenly opening with people tripping over the tape wasn't a problem. Plus we usually involved our dorm neighbors in our lunacy, as long as there was contraband beer involved. They got to belch into the mics which they really enjoyed.) The two decks were about 75 feet apart, so it was a looooooong delay. We had them connected with long cords and adapters which sort of worked as non-adjustable lowpass filters in the sense that no high end made it through. One of the decks ran slightly faster than the other, so it always had to be the one on the right, but I don't remember which one. It was pretty cool for a while, but the tape became pretty cruddy pretty quickly dragging along the dirty tile floor, and eventually there was a big pile of 1/4" tape in the hallway for a couple of days. Ah, college... Tim From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 26 01:34:00 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA32143; Wed, 26 Apr 2000 01:34:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 01:34:00 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <010a01bfaec0$fa679730$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 22:57:24 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Patrick Smith Subject: Re: undesired posts and posts of questionable worth Resent-Message-ID: <"m4DIX3.0.gg3.Fsb1v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13863 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tonight Dennis Leas said: >I don't mean to sound patronizing. I just want to remind everybody to lighten >up. > AMEN!!! patrick Fingerpaint's New Release: IN THE LOOP ... an intelligent, stimulating mixture of mimimaist spacebeats and obscure samples layered upon a hypnotic illbient backdrop. DIGITAL ARTIFACT # 12 http://www.fingerpaint.net From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 26 01:34:05 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA32158; Wed, 26 Apr 2000 01:34:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 01:34:05 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <000301bfaf3d$0e0d9420$d81bbcc8@doutor> From: "juliomoreno" To: References: <39009519.544F8615@best.com> <000701bfabc3$406fbba0$0100a8c0@urso><3903DD55.4FB4C323@earthlink.net> <001701bfadc4$2d5bcf10$45310140@concentric.net> Subject: Re: open reel deck looping? Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 13:12:48 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.3825.400 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.3825.400 Resent-Message-ID: <"P9Hwc.0.3B7.5cd1v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13865 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Que carajo eram Drum Drops ??? no me acuerdo de eso .... checha Pd: saudades de Vini y Nati : ) ... tomara que en Junio pinten unos discos com Chupacabras Olivetti .... Quer um cheirinho vei ??? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Tremblay" To: Sent: Monday, April 24, 2000 5:07 AM Subject: Re: open reel deck looping? > > A friend of mine uses a couple of reel-to-reels for all his music > > sequencing/recording, he can't afford a sampler and/or computer. > > > Yep, one of the origins of sampling and sequencing, and it still > works great. Sounds better, too, IMHO. > > > He sequences by cutting up individual notes and drum hits on the tape, and > > then joins them together into loops. These loops are his sequences. > > Does anyone remember the pre-digital era records called Drum Drops? > This series of LP's contained real cheesy studio-recorded drum > tracks of *realdrums* in a variety of styles. They were called > Drum Drops because you basically 'dropped them into the rhythm > track' on tape, building up a complete drum track 2 to 4 measures > at a time, i.e., a sequence of drum samples. > > > To keep things in time he draws a graph on a piece of paper so that he > > knows how long each note/beat/sequence/etc. should be, showing him where > to > > cut the tape. > > > > His reel-to-reel has an old telescopic radio antenna attached to the > front, > > with something on top of the antenna for the tape to 'roll' over, and he > > extends the antenna upwards to hold the loop tight. > > > > He runs these loops on a two track reel-to-reel and then records them onto > > a 4 track reel-to-reel to allow layering/multi-tracking of multiple > > loops/sequences. > > > > He has 'racks' on the wall with all his tape loops hanging on them. > > > > Total lo-fi sampling/looping, it's really amazing what he does with it. > > > > It really gives a loose feel, seemingly more 'organic' and 'real' than > > computer based sequencing. > > > > I agree. Tape is still one of the most rewarding, if time consuming, > methods of looping and sampling. Some things are actually easier > to do with tape. > > - Larry T > > > > > > > > >You an use any reel to reel for looping. The Revox is > > >just a *nice to have* for it's simplicity and quality. > > > > > >I still prefer the sound and tactile simplicity of analog > > >looping over digital. > > > > > >Gino wong - who's an LD member - sent me a spare loop arm > > >he had lying around which is very useful for setting up > > >loops of varying length. I imagine these can be salvaged > > >from broken recorders. > > > > > >Check the archives under "loop arm". November 1999, I > > >think. > > > > > >BTW, Gino - I figured out the mic clip thing for holding > > >the loop arm. Works like a charm! I have a few new ideas for > > >an adjustable tapeloop device based on David Keane's excellent > > >book, "Tape Music Composition" (1980). > > > > > >- Larry > > > > > >> anyone? > > >> > > >> i just inherited a fostex model 20 1/4" open reel deck. looping tool or > > >> bookend? (it looks nice enough, and i've got room in my studio to have > it > > >> just sit there, but if i could make it earn its keep somehow when i 'm > > >tired > > >> of checking the edp faqs for simple answers to stupid questions, it > would > > >be > > >> nice). > > >> > > >> (just don't say "well, if it was a revox...") > > >> > > >> lance g. > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 26 02:11:45 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA03108; Wed, 26 Apr 2000 02:11:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 02:11:45 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20000425214445.007be100@pop.ici.net> References: <39061611.6557DB8C@earthlink.net> <6d.308d894.26375e24@aol.com> Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 23:03:31 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Patrick Smith Subject: Re: open reel deck looping? Resent-Message-ID: <"TjTr62.0.Lo3.rxb1v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13864 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >> >Back in the early 80's, I had an Akai GX4000D and my roommate had (I think) >a Realistic open-reel that we used to hook together like we were Fripp and >Eno. (I usually had to be Fripp to his Eno, which I assume was because of >my nearsightedness and his thinning hair, but I never really asked...) > >One time we put the two machines at the distant ends of our dormitory >hallway, and had a couple of open mics and a BigMuffed/volumepedaled guitar >and a Casio going through a Radio Shack mixer into the first deck. (We >lived in the basement of the dorm, so this hallway only had rooms on one >side of the hall, and doors suddenly opening with people tripping over the >tape wasn't a problem. Plus we usually involved our dorm neighbors in our >lunacy, as long as there was contraband beer involved. They got to belch >into the mics which they really enjoyed.) > >The two decks were about 75 feet apart, so it was a looooooong delay. We >had them connected with long cords and adapters which sort of worked as >non-adjustable lowpass filters in the sense that no high end made it >through. One of the decks ran slightly faster than the other, so it always >had to be the one on the right, but I don't remember which one. It was >pretty cool for a while, but the tape became pretty cruddy pretty quickly >dragging along the dirty tile floor, and eventually there was a big pile of >1/4" tape in the hallway for a couple of days. Ah, college... > >Tim wish I had lived in your dorm.....the jocks used to hit golf balls down the hallway in mine...I'd prefer tripping over your tape....or tripping over gods..... patrick From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 26 02:53:56 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA07143; Wed, 26 Apr 2000 02:53:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 02:53:56 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <39062408.4508185B@erols.com> References: <200004242248.SAA10669@rosy.yourwebhost.com> <3904E326.AF3C913B@erols.com> <39062408.4508185B@erols.com> Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 02:13:33 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: open reel deck looping? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <"LIQg81.0.IG7.med1v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13866 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I once said: >As I understand, this is all with just one machine. So you need to >invert the direction of tape in order to have the whole loop between >recording and play back head, right? >Or do you invert the two heads and switch off the errasing head? "J.G. Wong" answered: >It's a simple loop or you can use a reel of tape unlooped. You can play >a single pre recorded sound over and over with the machine in 'play' >mode or you can put the machine in 'play' and push the'record button. >then the ouput will be sound on sound echo. I have never turned off the >erase head the tape would oversaturate and sound terrible. My point is that if you push the record button you only have the tape length between the two heads to create a short echo. If you invert the heads to the sequence Play-Erase-Record, you can use the whole long tape loop to acumulate your... This seams simpler than two tape machines and it may be done on a Roland Space Echo, too. I guess they did that then. ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 26 02:55:14 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA07240; Wed, 26 Apr 2000 02:55:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 02:55:14 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <001301bfaed9$24406740$f4a765ce@uday.gw1.dot.net.in> References: <001301bfaed9$24406740$f4a765ce@uday.gw1.dot.net.in> Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 02:16:51 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: India Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <"mGV82.0.PK7.Pfd1v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13868 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Uday said: >That was really cool ! Well, I am overwhelmed and gratified. Never knew that >India and Indians are loved so much. Many of us learned from Indian philosphy / spiritual work in some way. And as a creator of instruments, I find it obvious that India has the most developped traditional instruments: "Tricks" like the weight on the skin of the Tabla, the passive strings in the neck of the sitar or the "distortion" at the bridge of the sitar you dont find in such elaborated combination in any other culture! As an improvisor, I also observe especially the indian music. And probably the strongest book about music and its curing power has been written by Sufi Hazrat Inayat Khan - not really an indian, but raized there. Sufism is not really an indian philosophy but it survived there. We had several discussions about indian music and instruments here. For example in the beginning of April '99 we had "Asian Instruments", "Shruti, Drones, Tanpura". "Loopable Instruments"... ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 26 03:01:29 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA07984; Wed, 26 Apr 2000 03:01:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 03:01:29 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <007b01bfaf45$3546cd60$d81bbcc8@doutor> From: "juliomoreno" To: References: <39009519.544F8615@best.com> <000701bfabc3$406fbba0$0100a8c0@urso><3903DD55.4FB4C323@earthlink.net> <001701bfadc4$2d5bcf10$45310140@concentric.net> <000301bfaf3d$0e0d9420$d81bbcc8@doutor> Subject: Re: open reel deck looping? totally off topic. Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 03:03:21 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.3825.400 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.3825.400 Resent-Message-ID: <"X-w6x2.0.ef.hSe1v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13871 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sorry ... lotta pot in my brain. julio ----- Original Message ----- From: "juliomoreno" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2000 1:12 PM Subject: Re: open reel deck looping? > Que carajo eram Drum Drops ??? no me acuerdo de eso .... > checha > Pd: saudades de Vini y Nati : ) ... tomara que en Junio pinten unos > discos com Chupacabras Olivetti .... Quer um cheirinho vei ??? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Larry Tremblay" > To: > Sent: Monday, April 24, 2000 5:07 AM > Subject: Re: open reel deck looping? > > > > > A friend of mine uses a couple of reel-to-reels for all his music > > > sequencing/recording, he can't afford a sampler and/or computer. > > > > > Yep, one of the origins of sampling and sequencing, and it still > > works great. Sounds better, too, IMHO. > > > > > He sequences by cutting up individual notes and drum hits on the tape, > and > > > then joins them together into loops. These loops are his sequences. > > > > Does anyone remember the pre-digital era records called Drum Drops? > > This series of LP's contained real cheesy studio-recorded drum > > tracks of *realdrums* in a variety of styles. They were called > > Drum Drops because you basically 'dropped them into the rhythm > > track' on tape, building up a complete drum track 2 to 4 measures > > at a time, i.e., a sequence of drum samples. > > > > > To keep things in time he draws a graph on a piece of paper so that he > > > knows how long each note/beat/sequence/etc. should be, showing him where > > to > > > cut the tape. > > > > > > His reel-to-reel has an old telescopic radio antenna attached to the > > front, > > > with something on top of the antenna for the tape to 'roll' over, and he > > > extends the antenna upwards to hold the loop tight. > > > > > > He runs these loops on a two track reel-to-reel and then records them > onto > > > a 4 track reel-to-reel to allow layering/multi-tracking of multiple > > > loops/sequences. > > > > > > He has 'racks' on the wall with all his tape loops hanging on them. > > > > > > Total lo-fi sampling/looping, it's really amazing what he does with it. > > > > > > It really gives a loose feel, seemingly more 'organic' and 'real' than > > > computer based sequencing. > > > > > > > I agree. Tape is still one of the most rewarding, if time consuming, > > methods of looping and sampling. Some things are actually easier > > to do with tape. > > > > - Larry T > > > > > > > > > > > > >You an use any reel to reel for looping. The Revox is > > > >just a *nice to have* for it's simplicity and quality. > > > > > > > >I still prefer the sound and tactile simplicity of analog > > > >looping over digital. > > > > > > > >Gino wong - who's an LD member - sent me a spare loop arm > > > >he had lying around which is very useful for setting up > > > >loops of varying length. I imagine these can be salvaged > > > >from broken recorders. > > > > > > > >Check the archives under "loop arm". November 1999, I > > > >think. > > > > > > > >BTW, Gino - I figured out the mic clip thing for holding > > > >the loop arm. Works like a charm! I have a few new ideas for > > > >an adjustable tapeloop device based on David Keane's excellent > > > >book, "Tape Music Composition" (1980). > > > > > > > >- Larry > > > > > > > >> anyone? > > > >> > > > >> i just inherited a fostex model 20 1/4" open reel deck. looping tool > or > > > >> bookend? (it looks nice enough, and i've got room in my studio to > have > > it > > > >> just sit there, but if i could make it earn its keep somehow when i > 'm > > > >tired > > > >> of checking the edp faqs for simple answers to stupid questions, it > > would > > > >be > > > >> nice). > > > >> > > > >> (just don't say "well, if it was a revox...") > > > >> > > > >> lance g. > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 26 02:59:59 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA07729; Wed, 26 Apr 2000 02:59:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 02:59:59 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <001301bfaed9$24406740$f4a765ce@uday.gw1.dot.net.in> Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 01:37:30 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: Re: India Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <"xfoAs1.0.v6.P6e1v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13869 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 2:16 AM -0300 4/26/00, Matthias Grob wrote: >Uday said: > >>That was really cool ! Well, I am overwhelmed and gratified. Never knew that >>India and Indians are loved so much. > >Many of us learned from Indian philosphy / spiritual work in some way. > >And as a creator of instruments, I find it obvious that India has >the most developped traditional instruments: >"Tricks" like the weight on the skin of the Tabla, the passive >strings in the neck of the sitar or the "distortion" at the bridge >of the sitar you dont find in such elaborated combination in any >other culture! > >As an improvisor, I also observe especially the indian music. > >And probably the strongest book about music and its curing power has >been written by Sufi Hazrat Inayat Khan - not really an indian, but >raized there. >Sufism is not really an indian philosophy but it survived there. > >We had several discussions about indian music and instruments here. >For example in the beginning of April '99 we had "Asian >Instruments", "Shruti, Drones, Tanpura". "Loopable Instruments"... > > > ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org What is interesting to me is that when I listen to good Indian Classical Music (the performance, and even technical following of a performance requiring levels of discipline and ear training I can't imagine reaching), the feeling is very similar to the feeling I get when listening to good free improv. "The reasonable man adapts himself to the world. The unreasonable man persists in adapting the world to himself. Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man. -- George Bernard Shaw Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. Video Producer Image Processing Specialist Video for your HEAD! Boris FX http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 26 03:26:16 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA10539; Wed, 26 Apr 2000 03:26:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 03:26:16 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20000425214445.007be100@pop.ici.net> References: <6d.308d894.26375e24@aol.com> <3.0.5.32.20000425214445.007be100@pop.ici.net> Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 02:16:48 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: open reel deck looping? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <"ziuL43.0.MJ7.Kfd1v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13867 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >The two decks were about 75 feet apart, so it was a looooooong delay. 4 minutes at speed 19, right? The EDP does 3 minutes... ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 26 03:41:25 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA12410; Wed, 26 Apr 2000 03:41:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 03:41:25 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <005801bfaeba$481d19c0$9f310140@concentric.net> References: <3904EA30.6AF8EC66@in reach.com> <005801bfaeba$481d19c0$9f310140@concentric.net> Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 01:43:36 -0400 To: "Larry Tremblay" , From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: Re: uncreativity - Paging Dr T :) /Algorithmic Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <"s_NS92.0.07.P6e1v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13870 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 9:29 AM -0400 4/25/00, Larry Tremblay wrote: >Dr T, > >What ever happened to the Algorithmic Composer? I thought it >was a great piece of software. Then I got rid of my C-64 :) One of the 3 Alogorithmic programs (the cyclic one), was implemented in much more powerful form by me (on Atari) as Fingers, and by Dave Ziccarelli (in yet more powerful form) on Mac as M. M is still available from Joel Chadabe at electronic music foundation (emf.com or org, if I recall). Jim Johnson and Jack Deckard arethe authors of the Alg Composer. "Jim Johnson" for Jim, Deckard had some patches on a Korg Propehcy web site, you could search him out I am sure. "The reasonable man adapts himself to the world. The unreasonable man persists in adapting the world to himself. Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man. -- George Bernard Shaw Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. Video Producer Image Processing Specialist Video for your HEAD! Boris FX http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 26 03:50:20 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA13386; Wed, 26 Apr 2000 03:50:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 03:50:20 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <001401bfaf52$02a351a0$8f368218@we.mediaone.net> From: "Om_Audio" To: "Loopers List" Subject: EDP and Multiply fidelity Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 00:35:34 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="text/plain"; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0011_01BFAF17.55F82E60" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"qXIba1.0.2n2._lf1v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13872 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01BFAF17.55F82E60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit GlacierAnyone noticed dramatic fidelity loss when using the Multiply function? I hit multiply and the audio loses bass and width- is this normal? 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References: <6d.308d894.26375e24@aol.com> <3.0.5.32.20000425214445.007be100@pop.ici.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"K8JgE2.0.6f3.9Fg1v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13873 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Matthias? Curious about the Polydistortion pedal and Subbass thingy, Just noticed on your page that it will "do" the roland GR stuff... Question is, Is this pedal available still? If so where? (thinking of mail order as I live in Norway) Did you ever make a version with BOTH these features (bass and distortion) I am doing EXACTLY the same thing myself, but a cock-assed botch job method, with two broken pickups, splitting the guitar into 3 strings and three strings, now I buy a GR 30, and am thinking "if I could use this pickup...too? Thanks Mark Francombe Red From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 26 06:18:04 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA26215; Wed, 26 Apr 2000 06:18:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 06:18:04 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3906BEEC.B60@club-internet.fr> Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 12:03:24 +0200 From: PERILLE Reply-To: perille@club-internet.fr X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 [fr]C-CLUB (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: ECHOMATIC Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"G-9VB3.0.n_5.5wh1v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13874 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Has anyone heard about ECHOMATIC, a looped tape based echo machine ? Is some one on LD list a user ? Emmanuel From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 26 06:46:56 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA28604; Wed, 26 Apr 2000 06:46:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 06:46:56 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000426063319.007bb310@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 06:33:19 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: open reel deck looping? In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.5.32.20000425214445.007be100@pop.ici.net> <6d.308d894.26375e24@aol.com> <3.0.5.32.20000425214445.007be100@pop.ici.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"zL59i1.0.Xd6.gLi1v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13875 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Ah, but this was 1981... I assume the EDP was but a mere gleam in your eye at that point in ancient history, unless you had access to technology you weren't allowed to talk about with Earthlings. :-) Actually, we had better results using shorter loops, as the delay time in our experiment somewhat exceeded the attention spans of some of our neighbors who wanted instant gratification in hearing their belches and monkey noises repeat. Tim At 02:16 AM 4/26/00 -0300, you wrote: >>The two decks were about 75 feet apart, so it was a looooooong delay. > >4 minutes at speed 19, right? The EDP does 3 minutes... From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 26 10:04:04 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA13037; Wed, 26 Apr 2000 10:04:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 10:04:04 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000426131004.86138.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [165.227.138.4] From: "David Potter" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: undesired posts and posts of questionable worth Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 06:10:04 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"iAFM72.0.z52.Dhk1v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13876 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com New site-com for TV!! Grumpy Old Loopers! About lonely Old men who loop their rigs day and night in their basements, so much so that they lose touch with their humanity and go insane with technical and mechanical malfunctions using the wrong manuels to program their loopers.......til Captain Loopy come along and saves the day teaching love and compation and the correct manuels to use until... oops... the loopers kill him...prefering to be insane....and they lived loopily ever after......the end >From: Patrick Smith >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Subject: Re: undesired posts and posts of questionable worth >Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 22:57:24 -0500 > >Tonight Dennis Leas said: > >I don't mean to sound patronizing. I just want to remind everybody to >lighten > >up. > > > >AMEN!!! > >patrick > Fingerpaint's New Release: > > IN THE LOOP > > ... an intelligent, stimulating mixture of mimimaist spacebeats and > obscure samples layered upon a hypnotic illbient backdrop. > > DIGITAL ARTIFACT # 12 > > http://www.fingerpaint.net > ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 26 10:19:34 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA14879; Wed, 26 Apr 2000 10:19:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 10:19:34 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000426131639.52850.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [165.227.138.4] From: "David Potter" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: India Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 06:16:39 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"wt7Fx3.0.LG2.nnk1v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13877 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I love the culture and people from India as well. I have studied with Baba Hari Dass at Mt Madonna Center in Santa Cruz for over 26 years. He is silent and has not spoken in over 40 years. He writes on a small chalk board. He is a teacher and a hard worker even at 76 years old. I am one of the musicians and actors at the commumity about to bring looping to the center using drones,sitar-synth-guitar and more...Om and Out Papa Dave aka...Narendra >From: Matthias Grob >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Subject: Re: India >Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 02:16:51 -0300 > >Uday said: > >>That was really cool ! Well, I am overwhelmed and gratified. Never knew >>that >>India and Indians are loved so much. > >Many of us learned from Indian philosphy / spiritual work in some way. > >And as a creator of instruments, I find it obvious that India has the >most developped traditional instruments: >"Tricks" like the weight on the skin of the Tabla, the passive >strings in the neck of the sitar or the "distortion" at the bridge of >the sitar you dont find in such elaborated combination in any other >culture! > >As an improvisor, I also observe especially the indian music. > >And probably the strongest book about music and its curing power has >been written by Sufi Hazrat Inayat Khan - not really an indian, but >raized there. >Sufism is not really an indian philosophy but it survived there. > >We had several discussions about indian music and instruments here. >For example in the beginning of April '99 we had "Asian Instruments", >"Shruti, Drones, Tanpura". "Loopable Instruments"... > > > ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org > ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 26 10:06:52 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA13432; Wed, 26 Apr 2000 10:06:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 10:06:52 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Texture444@aol.com Message-ID: <17.4b39d67.26384b0c@aol.com> Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 09:37:16 EDT Subject: Re: 2 David Torn questions: homepage and video To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Resent-Message-ID: <"pucqU1.0.kh2.65l1v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13879 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com hey. ** > Okay Greg, here it goes. > 1.) I think the DT video is still available from Homespun Video > 1-800-33-TAPES true! them folks still distribute the vids. >2.) DT's website was located at > http://ott-outreach.engin.umich.edu/torn/ that's not *my* site: never was. to whit: john mccullagh put this one up: http://www.gaalore.com/davidtorn.nsf which i appreciate, & heartily approve thereof. blrp, dt From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 26 10:19:49 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA14911; Wed, 26 Apr 2000 10:19:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 10:19:49 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: zoid@mnsinc.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <200004260814.EAA15570@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 09:24:31 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Paul Reisler Subject: echoplex or boomerang to add to jamman setup Resent-Message-ID: <"vW8uu2.0.xK2.wrk1v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13878 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi-- I've been using 2 jammen in my live rig, one for looping and one for delay functions and was thinking about adding another looping device. Wanted to see if anyone had an opinion between echoplex and boomerang. Primarily, i want longer loops than the maxed out jam and an ability to fine tune the loops a bit. I use it primarily with my Schoenberg acoustic guitar outfitted with RMC pickups and an Axon midi convertor, into a Yamaha O1V mixer, so there is a fair amount of stuff going on already. I do need to be able to sync whatever new unit i get to the axon via midi so that i can keep loops in time with the arpeggiator in the axon. >From reading the list, i guess everyone likes the echoplex better, but I'm concerned about even more complexity . I've already got 3 volume pedals on the floor and 3 double footswitches. Thanks to all of you for the list. I've enjoyed reading it. Paul Reisler Trapezoid PO Box 38 Washington, VA 22747 540.987.3164 540.987.3166 fax zoid@pobox.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 26 10:23:47 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA15618; Wed, 26 Apr 2000 10:23:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 10:23:47 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <020e01bfaf89$b86f8580$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: Subject: Re: EDP and Multiply fidelity Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 09:14:22 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"oiVUd2.0.Lg3.dil1v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13880 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I've never heard this. I use MULTIPLY alot. What are you looping? Could it be a phasing thing between the old and new? Dennis Leas ----------------------------- dennis@mdbs.com -----Original Message----- From: Om_Audio To: Loopers List Date: Wednesday, April 26, 2000 3:04 AM Subject: EDP and Multiply fidelity >GlacierAnyone noticed dramatic fidelity loss when using the Multiply >function? I hit multiply and the audio loses bass and width- is this normal? > >Cliff > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 26 11:11:10 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA21374; Wed, 26 Apr 2000 11:11:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 11:11:10 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <001801bfaf8c$35bb1ac0$b8425b80@upenn.edu> From: "David Petrozzi" To: Subject: Napster Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 10:32:11 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0015_01BFAF6A.AE571500" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"qIgl22.0.Z84.Lvl1v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13881 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01BFAF6A.AE571500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable A bit off topic, but I just got Napster from my friend and it is = spectacular!! Basically, Napster is a program which establishes a = network of mp3 users. Since everyone is sharing, you can get pretty = much anything! Completely free, no hassles, search by artist. It is = simply amazing. If anyone wants the program I'd be happy to send it over as an email = attachment. The install file is very small, about 644k. ~dp ____________________________ A disciplined mind brings happiness. ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01BFAF6A.AE571500 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
A bit off topic, but I just got Napster from my friend and it is=20 spectacular!!  Basically, Napster is a program which establishes a = network=20 of mp3 users.  Since everyone is sharing, you can get pretty much=20 anything!  Completely free, no hassles, search by artist.  It = is=20 simply amazing.
 
If anyone wants the program I'd be happy to send it over as an = email=20 attachment.  The install file is very small, about 644k.
 
~dp
 
 
____________________________
A disciplined mind brings=20 happiness.
------=_NextPart_000_0015_01BFAF6A.AE571500-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 26 11:10:22 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA21280; Wed, 26 Apr 2000 11:10:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 11:10:22 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <024001bfaf8d$d6e14400$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: Subject: Re: Looperplalooza, etc. Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 09:43:51 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"n990y1.0.kW4.F8m1v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13884 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I think this is a great idea. But I'm not sure what the next step is. What I DO want to do is to organize a small looper show here in beautiful Lafayette. The only near-local fellow-list loopers I know about are Jim Shepard (Arcadia), Denis Taaffe (Bloomington) and Jeff Pearce (almost just around the corner). Is anybody else nearby? Dennis Leas ----------------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 26 11:09:59 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA21224; Wed, 26 Apr 2000 11:09:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 11:09:59 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <023b01bfaf8d$a85b79c0$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: Subject: Re: echoplex or boomerang to add to jamman setup Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 09:42:33 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"Rj1d23.0.nU4.17m1v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13883 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi Paul! Small world! I did a show with you guys years ago (over ten!!) when I was with a band called Stone Soup. It was in Bloomington-Normal IL, I think... Good to see you on the list! > ... I do need to >be able to sync whatever new unit i get to the axon via midi so that i can >keep loops in time with the arpeggiator in the axon. Based on this, your Boomerang/EDP decision is simple - Boomerang doesn't have MIDI capability and the EDP MIDI implementation is pretty good. You can sync the EDP to other boxes and vice versa. Hope this helps! Dennis Leas ----------------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 26 11:11:16 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA21395; Wed, 26 Apr 2000 11:11:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 11:11:16 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <003c01bfaf8e$0ca574d0$70310140@concentric.net> From: "Larry Tremblay" To: References: <20000426131004.86138.qmail@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: undesired posts and posts of questionable worth Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 10:45:20 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"2_3b02.0.vI4.90m1v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13882 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Have you been spying on me? ;) > New site-com for TV!! Grumpy Old Loopers! About lonely Old men who loop > their rigs day and night in their basements, so much so that they lose touch > with their humanity and go insane with technical and mechanical malfunctions > using the wrong manuels to program their loopers.......til Captain Loopy > come along and saves the day teaching love and compation and the correct > manuels to use until... oops... the loopers kill him...prefering to be > insane....and they lived loopily ever after......the end > > > >From: Patrick Smith > >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > >Subject: Re: undesired posts and posts of questionable worth > >Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 22:57:24 -0500 > > > >Tonight Dennis Leas said: > > >I don't mean to sound patronizing. I just want to remind everybody to > >lighten > > >up. > > > > > > >AMEN!!! > > > >patrick > > Fingerpaint's New Release: > > > > IN THE LOOP > > > > ... an intelligent, stimulating mixture of mimimaist spacebeats and > > obscure samples layered upon a hypnotic illbient backdrop. > > > > DIGITAL ARTIFACT # 12 > > > > http://www.fingerpaint.net > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 26 11:19:59 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA22739; Wed, 26 Apr 2000 11:19:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 11:19:59 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <001001bfaf90$62bd7c80$702cf7c2@abc.zetnet.co.uk> From: "steve lawson" To: Subject: Re: Napster Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 16:01:51 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"2g4JF3.0.Qz4.EKm1v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13886 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >>>A bit off topic, but I just got Napster from my friend and it is spectacular!! Basically, Napster is a program which establishes a network of mp3 users. Since everyone is sharing, you can get pretty much anything! Completely free, no hassles, search by artist. It is simply amazing.<<< Hey, save yourself the bother - just break into people's houses and steal their CDs - amounts to the same thing. If napster catches on, you can say goodbye to anyone making any money out of recording music, and therefor having any money to invest in getting better.. thanks very much for hammering another nail into the coffin of the collective careers of all the world's musicians. Steve From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 26 11:23:52 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA23121; Wed, 26 Apr 2000 11:23:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 11:23:52 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <002401bfaf91$1d2d73e0$25c6efd1@oemcomputer> From: "Stuart Sovatsky" To: Subject: Re: India Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 08:07:13 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"hclER.0.765.yOm1v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13887 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Indian temple cave acoustics (Elephanta is where i am remembering) can create a loop of decaying echos from a barely whispered chant that gets way louder than the original before it reverbs on and on and on. how is that done? www.jps.net/stuartcs > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 26 11:27:35 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA23701; Wed, 26 Apr 2000 11:27:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 11:27:35 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <390703BE.85E617C5@minds-eye.org> Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 10:57:02 -0400 From: Kevin Cheli-Colando X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Sampling copyrights References: <024001bfaf8d$d6e14400$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"YdCHL.0.Ro4.zEm1v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13885 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Anyone know what the current fair use for samples is? Last I knew it was something like 2 seconds and under was acceptable and longer samples than that needed credit/permission, etc. Thanks Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 26 11:50:45 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA26637; Wed, 26 Apr 2000 11:50:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 11:50:45 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <004201bfaf97$55962910$70310140@concentric.net> From: "Larry Tremblay" To: References: <024001bfaf8d$d6e14400$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> Subject: Re: Looperplalooza, etc. (a next step) Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 11:51:34 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"e9v3o1.0.ZQ6.W-m1v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13889 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com The next logical step might be to gather a list of looper-friendly venues together, hopefully including who to contact at the venue for bookings. Kim - Perhaps we could host this "Venue Listing" on Looper's Delight". I volunteer to create and update the page. Ok, list members, who's looper-friendly in your neck of the woods? - Larry T ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2000 10:43 AM Subject: Re: Looperplalooza, etc. > I think this is a great idea. But I'm not sure what the next step is. What I > DO want to do is to organize a small looper show here in beautiful Lafayette. > The only near-local fellow-list loopers I know about are Jim Shepard (Arcadia), > Denis Taaffe (Bloomington) and Jeff Pearce (almost just around the corner). > > Is anybody else nearby? > > Dennis Leas > ----------------------------- > dennis@mdbs.com > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 26 11:57:56 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA27827; Wed, 26 Apr 2000 11:57:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 11:57:56 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <004101bfaf97$b92e3940$8f368218@we.mediaone.net> From: "Om_Audio" To: References: <020e01bfaf89$b86f8580$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> Subject: Re: EDP and Multiply fidelity Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 08:54:36 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"wKSBo.0.Ab6.U3n1v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13891 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Ahhh- this is possible- I've done this with my vortex before as they run through a mixer and I get all mixed up sometimes as to where the hell the signals are going- I will check it out tonight- thanks! Cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2000 7:14 AM Subject: Re: EDP and Multiply fidelity > I've never heard this. I use MULTIPLY alot. What are you looping? Could it be > a phasing thing between the old and new? > > Dennis Leas > ----------------------------- > dennis@mdbs.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Om_Audio > To: Loopers List > Date: Wednesday, April 26, 2000 3:04 AM > Subject: EDP and Multiply fidelity > > > >GlacierAnyone noticed dramatic fidelity loss when using the Multiply > >function? I hit multiply and the audio loses bass and width- is this normal? > > > >Cliff > > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 26 12:01:51 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA28320; Wed, 26 Apr 2000 12:01:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 12:01:51 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 11:45:11 -0400 (EDT) From: sorin To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Sampling copyrights In-Reply-To: <390703BE.85E617C5@minds-eye.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"si0O.0.EM6.9ym1v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13888 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Last I herd, we had a law student working at our office ws that 2 seconds as you say, however he brought a good point up. If you take a sample and tweak and turn and make it your own so that it is not reconizable then it is your work... seAN --*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--* Widomaker Communications Services, Inc Network Operations Center ( NOC ) Williamsburg Va (757) 253-7621 I'm a member of the FVK.. --*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--* On Wed, 26 Apr 2000, Kevin Cheli-Colando wrote: > Anyone know what the current fair use for samples is? Last I knew it was something > like 2 seconds and under was acceptable and longer samples than that needed > credit/permission, etc. > > Thanks > > Kevin > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 26 12:01:59 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA28335; Wed, 26 Apr 2000 12:01:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 12:01:59 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 08:56:58 -0700 From: "Mike Biffle" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, ltct@concentric.net Subject: Re: Looperplalooza, etc. (a next step) Resent-Message-ID: <"oNvp_3.0.up6.a8n1v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13892 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >> "Larry Tremblay" 04/26 8:49 AM >>> > The next logical step might be to gather a list of looper-friendly venues together, hopefully including who to contact at the venue for bookings. This sounds really good to me... > Kim - Perhaps we could host this "Venue Listing" on Looper's Delight". I volunteer to create and update the page. Ok, list members, who's looper-friendly in your neck of the woods? - Larry T This would be great Larry... What do you think Kim? There's a venue here in Santa Cruz which will return to electric music in the very near future. The booker has actually asked me to play a couple other events and wants to try to book me there... so this may become a place which supports our cause... I'll follow up if things pan out. Otherwise, it's been a slow decline of venues here in Santa Cruz Ca... I want to try and turn that around... -Miko From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 26 12:09:34 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA29289; Wed, 26 Apr 2000 12:09:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 12:09:34 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <00c201bfaf97$d4529e50$5a05020a@beelzejuice.mecasw.com> Reply-To: "Ken M" From: "Ken Melms" To: Subject: Re: Napster (aka: The New Digital Realm) Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 11:55:21 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 Resent-Message-ID: <"SElj02.0.gV6.B1n1v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13890 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Steve: I'm usually quiet in regards to letting others keep their opinions, but... I have to say.. This is an outdated, and unfortunate attitude towards electronic delivery of music.. I'll bet if you were around 50 years ago you would pick up your picket sign and walk the line in front of the NBC or ABC towers in protest of them transmitting your music over the AIRWAVES.. Or maybe 20+ years ago when the home recorder was introduced allowing people to RECORD what they hear over the radio?! Oh no, how are you going to make money now?! Listen... This is a new world, and a new thinking has to be accepted or you will die off like a dinosaur. Have you realized that with the advent of the MP3 market - CD sales INCREASED by nearly 20 BILLION DOLLARS last year?! Anyone who believes that FREE mass distribution is a bad thing should ask Linus Torvald about how he's doing. Man this irks me.. Something like the Internet comes around - offering EVERYONE the same distribution footprint as the big boys, and all people do is whine about not being able to nickle and dime their audience. I'm going to re-post something I sent a couple of weeks ago (to which nobody replied ), and I hope someone somewhere realizes the change in the atmosphere of the musician's world. ---------------- insert previous thread --------------- Jeff asks: >Hi Ken- > So what does this do to those of us who would like to make a living by >selling our creations via digital media? > > Other people seem to be able to make a living by practicing their >trades, why is it the artistic folks always have so much stacked against >them...? > >jeff Well, Jeff.. It means setting up a web site, marketing your product - and giving away free samples at a lower sample rate than a CD.. That's a good start... 22k MP3's sound good enough to give people a taste of the music's flavor.. (Think about it - that's radio quality, not CD quality.. People have been taping off the radio since personal recorders came about - did it hinder tapes from being bought?! I argue it advanced their distribution by creating a needy market..) Now, say you sell the CD's (44k) on your site, and stream the 22k MP3's as samples. If you market well you can make a living off of the digital front. It won't stop people from making real MP3's from your CD's, but it will at least give them an avenue to purchase your work. You guys (i've been in music 27 years, programming for 20) are just starting to feel the burn that software programmers have been feeling forever. People have been copying and distributing pirated copies of software since it was possible to duplicate. Does this mean that software companies went out of business? No! - it means they had to change their 1:1 product:money ratio mentality. Now companies offer crippled versions of software (IE: lower sample rates) Free trials of their software, that expire (not yet implemented for music). And simply GIVING away the software, (MP3 Shoutcast / RADIO / etc.) knowing full well that 80% of the copies that are on the market are going to be pirated, but the fact that their product is being distributed, talked about, and wanted by those who are in the know means that those who can't/won't copy/steal will get caught up in the frenzy and BUY a copy. These companies SUBSIST on the other 20% of the populace who buy the product, causing income to actually be generated by a pirate distribution methodology. These are the companies that will survive in the future. Nothing is stacked against anybody.. The biggest hurdle in any artistic race is to be the one with the biggest audience, right? The bigger the audience, the bigger the revenue - no matter WHAT.. If you get caught thinking that the only way to survive is to sell each and every CD you press for $10.00, then you've lost the game already. Giving away art is the best way to get it heard. Once you're heard, you're known. Once you're known, you're gigging. Once you're gigging, you're generating REAL revenue based on REAL effort, not a snapshot of art (CD's), which is always pale in comparison to the true stage of the artform. Now imagine that your MP3's are distributed (pirated) across the world, and millions of people (who you think unfortunate because they didn't pay for the initial recording) liked your work. Now some of these people WILL pay to go see your gig. WILL pay to buy your t-shirts.. WILL pay to get a copy of the limited edition release with your signiature, and have a much higher probability of BUYING your next CD to own a real copy etc etc etc... We can't allow ourselves to be boxed in by the feeding frenzy of the modern capitalist world. We must allow music to flow freely, and as the artist who is creating these ever changing realms of music and altering the mood and minds of the listeners - we must not throw spite at those who can't afford to buy. We must focus on those who CAN. That's just my .02 on the matter.. (please keep the flames private) ------------------------- exit previous thread ----------------------- Ken -----Original Message----- From: steve lawson To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Wednesday, April 26, 2000 11:47 AM Subject: Re: Napster >>>>A bit off topic, but I just got Napster from my friend and it is >spectacular!! Basically, Napster is a program which establishes a network >of mp3 users. Since everyone is sharing, you can get pretty much anything! >Completely free, no hassles, search by artist. It is simply amazing.<<< > >Hey, save yourself the bother - just break into people's houses and steal >their CDs - amounts to the same thing. > >If napster catches on, you can say goodbye to anyone making any money out of >recording music, and therefor having any money to invest in getting better.. > >thanks very much for hammering another nail into the coffin of the >collective careers of all the world's musicians. > >Steve > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 26 12:23:23 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA31435; Wed, 26 Apr 2000 12:23:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 12:23:23 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 09:24:51 -0700 Subject: Re: uncreativity - Paging Dr T :) /Algorithmic From: Andrew Pask To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"YUw633.0.VZ7.mSn1v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13895 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com 1:09 -0400 > > At 9:29 AM -0400 4/25/00, Larry Tremblay wrote: >> Dr T, >> >> What ever happened to the Algorithmic Composer? I thought it >> was a great piece of software. Then I got rid of my C-64 :) > > > One of the 3 Alogorithmic programs (the cyclic one), was implemented > in much more powerful form by me (on Atari) as Fingers, and by Dave > Ziccarelli (in yet more powerful form) on Mac as M. M is still > available from Joel Chadabe at electronic music foundation (emf.com > or org, if I recall). > M has been re released by DZ's company cycling'74 http://www.cycling74.com if any of youze are interested in it. cheers Andrew From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 26 12:30:14 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA32314; Wed, 26 Apr 2000 12:30:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 12:30:14 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <007201bfaf9c$b928a1b0$70310140@concentric.net> From: "Larry Tremblay" To: References: Subject: Re: Sampling copyrights Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 12:30:22 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"i_QIF.0.Wn7.eYn1v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13897 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Again, the issue is uniqueness (as defined) and recognition. It is these factors which determine whether or not the perpetrator is aggrandizing himself at the expense of an other's work. It's all about money. Ref: Negativeland, Plunderphonics, et al. ----- Original Message ----- From: "sorin" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2000 11:45 AM Subject: Re: Sampling copyrights > Last I herd, we had a law student working at our office ws that 2 seconds > as you say, however he brought a good point up. If you take a sample and > tweak and turn and make it your own so that it is not reconizable then it > is your work... > > > > seAN > > > --*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*-- * > > Widomaker Communications Services, Inc > Network Operations Center ( NOC ) > Williamsburg Va > (757) 253-7621 > > I'm a member of the FVK.. > > --*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*-- * > > On Wed, 26 Apr 2000, Kevin Cheli-Colando wrote: > > > Anyone know what the current fair use for samples is? Last I knew it was something > > like 2 seconds and under was acceptable and longer samples than that needed > > credit/permission, etc. > > > > Thanks > > > > Kevin > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 26 12:40:17 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA01256; Wed, 26 Apr 2000 12:40:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 12:40:17 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <004a01bfaf9a$283c2d40$70310140@concentric.net> From: "Larry Tremblay" To: References: <001001bfaf90$62bd7c80$702cf7c2@abc.zetnet.co.uk> Subject: Re: Napster Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 12:11:47 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"kClu1.0.J67.RHn1v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13893 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I'm glad to see the RIAA and the record companies are getting their Party Line through to someone. Boo-hoo! Oh come on, Steve, this is the same thing the greedy cry-babies whined about when blank cassettes became available and music-lovers were swapping compilation of favorite songs with each other. They claimed "Congress must do something or we'll be ruined!" Take a look around. Seems the record companies are thriving more than ever. See, what happens when people openly copy and trade music is that it actually promotes new music to millions of folks who might never consideed buying an album or CD by Artist X. Napster is a boon to the music industry, just as home taping was. Think about it a little deeper next time before spouting off the "Press Release-approved" agit-prop of your oppressors. ;) - Larry T ----- Original Message ----- From: "steve lawson" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2000 11:01 AM Subject: Re: Napster > >>>A bit off topic, but I just got Napster from my friend and it is > spectacular!! Basically, Napster is a program which establishes a network > of mp3 users. Since everyone is sharing, you can get pretty much anything! > Completely free, no hassles, search by artist. It is simply amazing.<<< > > Hey, save yourself the bother - just break into people's houses and steal > their CDs - amounts to the same thing. > > If napster catches on, you can say goodbye to anyone making any money out of > recording music, and therefor having any money to invest in getting better.. > > thanks very much for hammering another nail into the coffin of the > collective careers of all the world's musicians. > > Steve > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 26 12:32:24 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA32543; Wed, 26 Apr 2000 12:32:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 12:32:24 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <005d01bfaf9b$234688c0$70310140@concentric.net> From: "Larry Tremblay" To: References: <024001bfaf8d$d6e14400$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> <390703BE.85E617C5@minds-eye.org> Subject: Re: Sampling copyrights Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 12:18:47 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"Qsklg1.0.jI7.0On1v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13894 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Acceptable sampling is not based on sample-length - it's based on recognizable content, usually one or two measures of a melody or other 'unique' characteristic. The legal language is intentionally, and inevitably, vague. Check out the legal sections of BMI, ASCAP or songwriters and recording associations for specifics. Common practice dictates that you contact the publisher of the material you are sampling for clearances from the artist. - Larry T ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Cheli-Colando" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2000 10:57 AM Subject: Sampling copyrights > Anyone know what the current fair use for samples is? Last I knew it was something > like 2 seconds and under was acceptable and longer samples than that needed > credit/permission, etc. > > Thanks > > Kevin > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 26 12:40:10 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA01242; Wed, 26 Apr 2000 12:40:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 12:40:10 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <390718F4.299B99EE@voicenet.com> Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 12:27:32 -0400 From: Legion X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DH , "Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Subject: Hell-o! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"J5U_W1.0.tf7.UVn1v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13896 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com http://www.rolandus.com/PRODUCTS/hardware/hpd15.htm Any heard this thing yet? Vdrum technology, built in sequencer, 15 (!) pads. looks mighty interesting... From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 26 12:56:54 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA04070; Wed, 26 Apr 2000 12:56:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 12:56:54 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <007c01bfaf9e$a1024f80$70310140@concentric.net> From: "Larry Tremblay" To: "Ken M" , References: <00c201bfaf97$d4529e50$5a05020a@beelzejuice.mecasw.com> Subject: Re: Napster (aka: The New Digital Realm) - Bulls-Eye! Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 12:44:01 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"ubZhF.0.VI.Rln1v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13899 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Ken - you nailed it exactly. It is *exactly* the same as the cassette debacle 25-30 years ago. FREE music means MORE opportunity not less. The rise of Alternative music is largely due to the advent of affordable home recording technology and a network of New Music enthusiasts SHARING music amongst each other. I'm sick of so-called "artistes" whining about this issue too. Besides, if they're in it for the money and patronage, there are easier ways to make a living. Scam the NEA, or pimp your talents to the lowest common denominator. Just stop complaining and then blaming it all on Big Bad Technology. Geeez... - Larry T ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Melms" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2000 11:55 AM Subject: Re: Napster (aka: The New Digital Realm) > Steve: > I'm usually quiet in regards to letting others keep their opinions, but... I > have to say.. This is an outdated, and unfortunate attitude towards > electronic delivery of music.. > > I'll bet if you were around 50 years ago you would pick up your picket sign > and walk the line in front of the NBC or ABC towers in protest of them > transmitting your music over the AIRWAVES.. Or maybe 20+ years ago when the > home recorder was introduced allowing people to RECORD what they hear over > the radio?! Oh no, how are you going to make money now?! > > Listen... This is a new world, and a new thinking has to be accepted or you > will die off like a dinosaur. Have you realized that with the advent of the > MP3 market - CD sales INCREASED by nearly 20 BILLION DOLLARS last year?! > Anyone who believes that FREE mass distribution is a bad thing should ask > Linus Torvald about how he's doing. Man this irks me.. Something like the > Internet comes around - offering EVERYONE the same distribution footprint as > the big boys, and all people do is whine about not being able to nickle and > dime their audience. > > I'm going to re-post something I sent a couple of weeks ago (to which nobody > replied ), and I hope someone somewhere realizes the change in the > atmosphere of the musician's world. > > ---------------- insert previous thread --------------- > Jeff asks: > >Hi Ken- > > So what does this do to those of us who would like to make a living by > >selling our creations via digital media? > > > > Other people seem to be able to make a living by practicing their > >trades, why is it the artistic folks always have so much stacked against > >them...? > > > >jeff > > Well, Jeff.. > > It means setting up a web site, marketing your product - and giving away > free samples at a lower sample rate than a CD.. That's a good start... 22k > MP3's sound good enough to give people a taste of the music's flavor.. > (Think about it - that's radio quality, not CD quality.. People have been > taping off the radio since personal recorders came about - did it hinder > tapes from being bought?! I argue it advanced their distribution by > creating a needy market..) > > Now, say you sell the CD's (44k) on your site, and stream the 22k MP3's as > samples. If you market well you can make a living off of the digital > front. It won't stop people from making real MP3's from your CD's, but it > will at least give them an avenue to purchase your work. > > You guys (i've been in music 27 years, programming for 20) are just starting > to feel the burn that software programmers have been feeling forever. > People have been copying and distributing pirated copies of software since > it was possible to duplicate. Does this mean that software companies went > out of business? No! - it means they had to change their 1:1 product:money > ratio mentality. Now companies offer crippled versions of software (IE: > lower sample rates) Free trials of their software, that expire (not yet > implemented for music). And simply GIVING away the software, (MP3 Shoutcast > / RADIO / etc.) knowing full well that 80% of the copies that are on the > market are going to be pirated, but the fact that their product is being > distributed, talked about, and wanted by those who are in the know means > that those who can't/won't copy/steal will get caught up in the frenzy and > BUY a copy. These companies SUBSIST on the other 20% of the populace who > buy the product, causing income to actually be generated by a pirate > distribution methodology. These are the companies that will survive in the > future. > > Nothing is stacked against anybody.. The biggest hurdle in any artistic race > is to be the one with the biggest audience, right? The bigger the audience, > the bigger the revenue - no matter WHAT.. If you get caught thinking that > the only way to survive is to sell each and every CD you press for $10.00, > then you've lost the game already. Giving away art is the best way to get > it heard. Once you're heard, you're known. Once you're known, you're > gigging. Once you're gigging, you're generating REAL revenue based on REAL > effort, not a snapshot of art (CD's), which is always pale in comparison to > the true stage of the artform. > > Now imagine that your MP3's are distributed (pirated) across the world, and > millions of people (who you think unfortunate because they didn't pay for > the initial recording) liked your work. Now some of these people WILL pay > to go see your gig. WILL pay to buy your t-shirts.. WILL pay to get a copy > of the limited edition release with your signiature, and have a much higher > probability of BUYING your next CD to own a real copy etc etc etc... > > We can't allow ourselves to be boxed in by the feeding frenzy of the modern > capitalist world. We must allow music to flow freely, and as the artist who > is creating these ever changing realms of music and altering the mood and > minds of the listeners - we must not throw spite at those who can't afford > to buy. We must focus on those who CAN. > > That's just my .02 on the matter.. (please keep the flames private) > > ------------------------- exit previous thread ----------------------- > > Ken > > -----Original Message----- > From: steve lawson > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Date: Wednesday, April 26, 2000 11:47 AM > Subject: Re: Napster > > > >>>>A bit off topic, but I just got Napster from my friend and it is > >spectacular!! Basically, Napster is a program which establishes a network > >of mp3 users. Since everyone is sharing, you can get pretty much anything! > >Completely free, no hassles, search by artist. It is simply amazing.<<< > > > >Hey, save yourself the bother - just break into people's houses and steal > >their CDs - amounts to the same thing. > > > >If napster catches on, you can say goodbye to anyone making any money out > of > >recording music, and therefor having any money to invest in getting > better.. > > > >thanks very much for hammering another nail into the coffin of the > >collective careers of all the world's musicians. > > > >Steve > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 26 12:56:32 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA04013; Wed, 26 Apr 2000 12:56:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 12:56:32 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <02a601bfaf9d$27fd4820$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: Subject: Re: Napster (aka: The New Digital Realm) Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 11:33:30 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"SSP6Q2.0.XH.Fln1v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13898 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Ken, brave soul you! Risking immolation! Actually, I read and discussed your original posting. I found it quite interesting. (I probably should have responded to encourage a discussion.) Like it or not, we are in a new world. Dennis Leas ----------------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 26 12:52:46 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA03382; Wed, 26 Apr 2000 12:52:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 12:52:46 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000426164800.52338.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [204.164.62.238] Reply-To: m.lameyer@rcn.com From: "Michael LaMeyer" To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Napster Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 12:48:00 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"TquId2.0.pf.Xtn1v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13900 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com *spider sense is tingling* Unfortunately, Napster is just the first baby steps of a phenomenon that is not going to go away, and is going to dominate eventually - in 2 years, 5 years, whatever. As much as I abhor the thought of artists of any ilk not getting the credit/profit they deserve (graphics designers are feeling the pain too, for other reasons), it's the wonderful Internet we're using right now, coupled with increasing bandwidth and new creative implementations of distributed computing ideas, that is making things like this possible. Like any tool, it's not so much the tool that is good/bad (morally), but the use the tool is put to. Stuff like this is going to come out of the woodwork that is going to make older physical distribution and profit models obsolete. I'm sorry, I don't think we can avoid it or stop it, we just have to adapt to it. And if Napster scares you, forget it, the cat's way out of the bag and it's almost obsolete anyway. Right now, napster requires a central server to index all of the files the various hosts have that are attached to it. These servers can be shut down, or filter the content they index (which can be circumvented through simple file renaming, but anyway). Napster the company can be sued and shut down. But what about Gnutella? This is an open source (i.e. there's no one to sue) and completely client based distributed file sharing application (not just mp3's, any file). Unless you want some authoritive entity to attempt to monitor all file transfers on the Internet (yeah, right), what are you going to do? Software like Gnutella is so simple to design and implement, stuff like this is only going to proliferate. And there's going to eventually be encryption, multiple paths blah, blah, blah. And there's plenty of practical, respectable uses for software of this kind apart from music distribution (which is only a subset of the types of files that could be shared). Do you think anyone can stop progress like this? All you need are fat pipes and some common standards and *WHAM* digital media everywhere. The answer is not going to be to attempt to preserve the decades old distributing and profit models that many of us might be comfortable with. It's going to be to learn and adapt to the new possiblities that no one is going to be able to derail through legislation or lawsuit. Michael ----- Original Message ----- From: "steve lawson" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2000 11:01 AM Subject: Re: Napster > >>>A bit off topic, but I just got Napster from my friend and it is >spectacular!! Basically, Napster is a program which establishes a network >of mp3 users. Since everyone is sharing, you can get pretty much anything! >Completely free, no hassles, search by artist. It is simply amazing.<<< > >Hey, save yourself the bother - just break into people's houses and steal >their CDs - amounts to the same thing. > >If napster catches on, you can say goodbye to anyone making any money out >of >recording music, and therefor having any money to invest in getting >better.. > >thanks very much for hammering another nail into the coffin of the >collective careers of all the world's musicians. > >Steve > > ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 26 13:04:00 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA05484; Wed, 26 Apr 2000 13:04:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 13:04:00 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000426125925.007cfce0@panther.middlebury.edu> X-Sender: mchriste@panther.middlebury.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 12:59:25 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: murkie Subject: Re: Sampling copyrights In-Reply-To: <390703BE.85E617C5@minds-eye.org> References: <024001bfaf8d$d6e14400$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"bdVgP3.0.x41.q1o1v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13905 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 10:57 AM 4/26/00 -0400, you wrote: >Anyone know what the current fair use for samples is? Last I knew it was something >like 2 seconds and under was acceptable and longer samples than that needed >credit/permission, etc. i've been told the "2 seconds" law is pretty much a myth. if it's recognizable, it's stolen. tweak it so it sounds new and it's yours. m ===================================================================== = = = M a r k C h r i s t e n s e n = = Cramped Quarters Studio / Jasperpottamus Music Publishing = = internet: murkie@middlebury.edu = = http://www.middlebury.edu/~mchriste/murkie.html = = = ===================================================================== From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 26 12:57:53 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA04233; Wed, 26 Apr 2000 12:57:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 12:57:53 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000426165252.78417.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [204.164.62.238] Reply-To: m.lameyer@rcn.com From: "Michael LaMeyer" To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: Hell-o! Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 12:52:52 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"X_6ms.0.Gs.4yn1v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13901 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Yep, Winter NAMM press release earlier this year. It's interesting to see somebody (anybody) picking up the Korg Wavedrum idea (which I liked better, ah vell). Speaking of which, anybody seen a wavedrum for sale??? Ever?? Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Legion" To: "DH" ; Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2000 12:27 PM Subject: Hell-o! >http://www.rolandus.com/PRODUCTS/hardware/hpd15.htm > >Any heard this thing yet? Vdrum technology, built in sequencer, 15 (!) >pads. looks mighty interesting... > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 26 13:15:18 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA06943; Wed, 26 Apr 2000 13:15:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 13:15:18 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Apparently-From: Reply-To: From: "Javier Miranda V." To: Subject: RE: Napster Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 09:50:39 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 In-Reply-To: <004a01bfaf9a$283c2d40$70310140@concentric.net> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <"3-XOc1.0.W11.B0o1v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13903 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I happen to agree with Larry. I've already gone to the record shop (to my surprise) and bought a bunch of CDs of people whose music I downloaded off Napster just to "see what they sound like." At the Napster Web site they have links to previous legal battles akin to what's going on right now. Video tape vs. the movie industry; cassette tape vs. the recording industry; etc., etc., they all see the end of the world when change happens. Well, as someone already said it this morning, if you don't change, you'll die like a dinosaur. Actually, that's a bad simile because the dinosaurs were the masters of change, albeit unconscious. They were wiped out against their nature, and they didn't do it to themselves, unlike some other species could that we all know and love. The recording industry will be there 200 years from now, richer than ever. They know how to take care of themselves. Just witness the efforts of people like Bonnie Raitt, bringing to the limelight the tragedies of all those blues and early-rock folks who were ripped off by recording companies. There's some of them who even now still owe money back to the recording company! I don't hear anybody complaining about recording companies like that in our beloved Loopers' Delight. That's one thing I'm sure of-- if the big bad recording companies die, I will have a party! However, the argument about "new music" being promoted through Napster sounds weak to me. I can't type "new music" and get a listing. I only get listings of artists and songs I already know. If I don't know it, I won't likely download it. I think only if everybody in Napster agrees to share a folder called "New Music," and put new original stuff in there they want promoted, and only if folks actually go in those folders to "sample" stuff (sample like in sampling food), that would be a way new music would get spread about. And I'm a Napster addict too. But don't quote me on that. Long live Napsterism! | -----Original Message----- | From: Larry Tremblay [mailto:ltct@concentric.net] | Sent: Wednesday 26 April 2000 9:12 AM | To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com | Subject: Re: Napster | | | I'm glad to see the RIAA and the record | companies are getting their Party Line | through to someone. Boo-hoo! | | Oh come on, Steve, this is the same thing the | greedy cry-babies whined about when blank cassettes | became available and music-lovers were swapping | compilation of favorite songs with each other. | | They claimed "Congress must do something or we'll be | ruined!" Take a look around. Seems the record companies | are thriving more than ever. | | See, what happens when people openly copy and trade music | is that it actually promotes new music to millions of folks | who might never consideed buying an album or CD by Artist X. | | Napster is a boon to the music industry, just as home | taping was. | | Think about it a little deeper next time before spouting | off the "Press Release-approved" agit-prop of your | oppressors. ;) | | - Larry T | | | ----- Original Message ----- | From: "steve lawson" | To: | Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2000 11:01 AM | Subject: Re: Napster | | | > >>>A bit off topic, but I just got Napster from my friend and it is | > spectacular!! Basically, Napster is a program which | establishes a network | > of mp3 users. Since everyone is sharing, you can get pretty much | anything! | > Completely free, no hassles, search by artist. It is simply | amazing.<<< | > | > Hey, save yourself the bother - just break into people's | houses and steal | > their CDs - amounts to the same thing. | > | > If napster catches on, you can say goodbye to anyone making | any money out | of | > recording music, and therefor having any money to invest in getting | better.. | > | > thanks very much for hammering another nail into the coffin of the | > collective careers of all the world's musicians. | > | > Steve | > | > | > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 26 13:16:10 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA07055; Wed, 26 Apr 2000 13:16:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 13:16:10 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000426125742.007de210@panther.middlebury.edu> X-Sender: mchriste@panther.middlebury.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 12:57:42 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: murkie Subject: Re: Napster In-Reply-To: <001001bfaf90$62bd7c80$702cf7c2@abc.zetnet.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"2SPFA1.0.y11.E0o1v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13904 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 04:01 PM 4/26/00 +0100, you wrote: >>>>A bit off topic, but I just got Napster from my friend and it is >spectacular!! Basically, Napster is a program which establishes a network >of mp3 users. Since everyone is sharing, you can get pretty much anything! >Completely free, no hassles, search by artist. It is simply amazing.<<< > >Hey, save yourself the bother - just break into people's houses and steal >their CDs - amounts to the same thing. actually, it would be more like breaking into your favourite record store... only i don't think you can get many viruses breaking into record stores. m ===================================================================== = = = M a r k C h r i s t e n s e n = = Cramped Quarters Studio / Jasperpottamus Music Publishing = = internet: murkie@middlebury.edu = = http://www.middlebury.edu/~mchriste/murkie.html = = = ===================================================================== From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 26 13:16:25 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA07091; Wed, 26 Apr 2000 13:16:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 13:16:25 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhQqjDOY5tXW67RgmMaetTDUD+y8XgIVALnV85YuXxazpd6qLzBCqh9ed6nM From: jordanpease@webtv.net (Jordan Pease) Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 10:13:34 -0700 (PDT) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Cc: sellon@mediaone.net Subject: Instructional Video Message-ID: <12-390723BE-799@storefull-115.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Resent-Message-ID: <"6DYPu2.0.se1.1Fo1v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13909 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com LOOPLOOPLOOPLOOPLOOPLOOPLOOPLOOPLOOPLOOPLOOPLOOPLOOP Has anyone seen the David Thorn video mentioned and is it really a looping tutorial (with emphasis on the Echoplex) ? I've read some other posts that expressed interest in such a resource. Wish Kim and Bob Sellon would interject their opinions. I live in the San Francisco bay area and would get involved in a effort to produce an amateur one...(if an official one is not available/forthcoming). I've got some video equipment, two Jammans and two EDPs; BUT MINIMAL EXPERIENCE USING THEM ! The user's manuals are disappointing [right ?], so that's why a video is needed. The Looper's Delight pages are a real gold mine, but a show-and-tell video would be so valuable to the whole looping community. Come on everybody- start lobbying/pestering Gibson. There's an address on the EDP page at Looper's Delight. It wouldn't be that hard for them to produce one, and it would be such a wonderful sales tool. Seems like now would be a good time too since they've just re-introduced the Echoplex. LOOPLOOPLOOPLOOPLOOPLOOPLOOPLOOPLOOPLOOPLOOPLOOPLOOP From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 26 13:18:00 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA07363; Wed, 26 Apr 2000 13:18:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 13:18:00 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <4.3.1.0.20000426130215.00af38a0@mail.earthlink.net> X-Sender: m1cha3l@mail.earthlink.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 13:02:18 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Michael Tuminello Subject: Re:fair use for samples Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"C-Iv23.0.jG1.l3o1v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13906 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Length is not the only constraint. If a lawyer can make a case for it being a major part of a song, like the hook from "satisfaction", they could still sue you if you're not paying royalties. As I understand it... best bet is to have it be not recognizable at all, whatever the length. MT From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 26 13:11:36 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA06565; Wed, 26 Apr 2000 13:11:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 13:11:36 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <390718F4.299B99EE@voicenet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 10:00:04 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: rich Subject: Re: Hell-o! Roland Hand Socic Resent-Message-ID: <"t8H5i.0.Yx.Qzn1v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13902 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Yes, I saw this being demo'd at the LA NAMM show...fantastic! It wasn't even fully implemented at the show either, some features were still missing. They were suggesting $1200 msrp, however, which is a lot to pay. However, i the hands of a capable hand drummer...lookout. My question would be can you sync to a looper in real time? Could the drummer set a sequence that would send a midi clock to the looper? And then if the drummer cuts the sequence and plays in real time along with you, could the HandSonic then record another sequence/loop and drop back in synch with the looper? rich >http://www.rolandus.com/PRODUCTS/hardware/hpd15.htm > >Any heard this thing yet? Vdrum technology, built in sequencer, 15 (!) >pads. looks mighty interesting... From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 26 13:19:00 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA07456; Wed, 26 Apr 2000 13:19:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 13:19:00 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Apparently-From: Reply-To: From: "Javier Miranda V." 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Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 26 13:34:01 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA09663; Wed, 26 Apr 2000 13:34:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 13:34:01 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <00ae01bfafa5$b839e5d0$70310140@concentric.net> From: "Larry Tremblay" To: References: Subject: Re: uncreativity - Paging Dr T :) /Algorithmic Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 13:34:46 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"NJY2y2.0.ED2._Uo1v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13911 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thanks for the info. You too, Dr T. :) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew Pask" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2000 12:24 PM Subject: Re: uncreativity - Paging Dr T :) /Algorithmic > > > 1:09 -0400 > > > > At 9:29 AM -0400 4/25/00, Larry Tremblay wrote: > >> Dr T, > >> > >> What ever happened to the Algorithmic Composer? I thought it > >> was a great piece of software. Then I got rid of my C-64 :) > > > > > > One of the 3 Alogorithmic programs (the cyclic one), was implemented > > in much more powerful form by me (on Atari) as Fingers, and by Dave > > Ziccarelli (in yet more powerful form) on Mac as M. M is still > > available from Joel Chadabe at electronic music foundation (emf.com > > or org, if I recall). > > > M has been re released by DZ's company cycling'74 > http://www.cycling74.com > if any of youze are interested in it. > > cheers > > Andrew > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 26 13:50:13 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA12018; Wed, 26 Apr 2000 13:50:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 13:50:13 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: "Loopers" Subject: RE: Hell-o! Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 10:34:52 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <20000426165252.78417.qmail@hotmail.com> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <"Z72hq.0.0L2.iXo1v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13912 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com The wavedrum sound creation technology has been built into their new OASYS pci card. bIz -----Original Message----- From: Michael LaMeyer [mailto:mlameyer@hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2000 9:53 AM To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: Hell-o! Yep, Winter NAMM press release earlier this year. It's interesting to see somebody (anybody) picking up the Korg Wavedrum idea (which I liked better, ah vell). Speaking of which, anybody seen a wavedrum for sale??? Ever?? Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Legion" To: "DH" ; Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2000 12:27 PM Subject: Hell-o! >http://www.rolandus.com/PRODUCTS/hardware/hpd15.htm > >Any heard this thing yet? Vdrum technology, built in sequencer, 15 (!) >pads. looks mighty interesting... > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 26 14:02:44 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA13721; Wed, 26 Apr 2000 14:02:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 14:02:44 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3907264A.41181ABE@voicenet.com> Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 13:24:26 -0400 From: Legion X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: m.lameyer@rcn.com CC: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Hell-o! References: <20000426165252.78417.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"C-h0u1.0.rr1._Ko1v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13910 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > Yep, Winter NAMM press release earlier this year. It's interesting to see > somebody (anybody) picking up the Korg Wavedrum idea (which I liked better, > ah vell). Speaking of which, anybody seen a wavedrum for sale??? Ever?? My local music store (8th St Music) had one on display for quite some time. I played around with it quite a bit and was amazed at it's capabilities but at the time i didn't have the $$$ for it. Eventually it was discontinued and sold briefly after that.. What's interesting about this new Roland unit is it has midi OUT. 15 pads, two ribbon controllers, and the Dream is there as well. This could be a very interesting alternative controller along the lines of a budget Butler Thunder (which obviously is a very different creature but the initial triggering issues are similar). I don't know *why* Roland is doing this though. How big is the market for such a creature (priced at $1100 list no less) when the wavedrum died so quickly and the groovebox romplers are selling like hotcakes. Personally I'm hoping they show up used quickly... :) From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 26 13:47:50 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA11692; Wed, 26 Apr 2000 13:47:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 13:47:50 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: kamlapati.khalsa@philips.com To: Subject: Re: Hell-o! Message-ID: <0056910004736549000002L192*@MHS> Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 12:03:40 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; name="MEMO 04/26/00 12:07:59" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by rosy.yourwebhost.com id NAA05513 Resent-Message-ID: <"m3Qfl2.0.RM1.96o1v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13908 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I love the idea too, problem is list price of 1295 USD, a little steep I think. After hearing the price, I just bought an SP808EX. K From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 26 14:01:00 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA13501; Wed, 26 Apr 2000 14:01:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 14:01:00 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 10:43:48 -0700 Subject: Free Music From: Tiktok To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"ckoAl.0.eg2.pho1v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13915 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com 1) Everyone's for free music until it's their music they're not being *fairly* rewarded for. One's definition of "fair" varies according to the perception of how much money is being personally lost. 2) The "music industry" is not a synonymous term for "musicians". So, statements such as "Napster is a boon to the music industry, just as home taping was" are probably not cause for musicians to rejoice. Musicians benefit when they feel transported by playing music. People who are also musicians can benefit when they get paid for their music, since the last time I checked there was no Napster equivalent for gassing up your tour van or buying recording gear. Making music at anything above the dilettante/hobbyist level requires a lot of money. 3) The "rise of alternative music" was due to the Music Industry deciding to promote some Alternative bands, not to home taping. TH -- "For over half a century rock 'n' roll music has acted as a kind of umbrella under which the noblest elements of society have gathered. Today, the very word "rock" is a synonym for everything that's most decent, honorable and moderate in Western society. The model behavior of both its stars and fans is eclipsed only by the probity and rectitude of the men and women at the business end -- that corps of managers, accountants and recording companies whose transparent honesty and compassion have made the industry such a pleasant environment for musicians to work in." --John Perry, from a discussion of the Napster situation From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 26 13:54:23 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA12705; Wed, 26 Apr 2000 13:54:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 13:54:23 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000426174038.19210.qmail@web216.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 10:40:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Stephen Subject: RE: Hell-o! To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"5WqXD1.0.zX2.Peo1v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13913 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com i called roland a few months back when it was announced and they said it should be shipping in May, if i recall correctly. There is supposed to be a clinic featuring this thing in June in LA. > Speaking of which, anybody seen a wavedrum for > sale??? Ever?? i did see one for sale / auction online about a year ago...i forget where. It had already been sold. ===== Stephen __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send online invitations with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 26 14:16:52 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA16306; Wed, 26 Apr 2000 14:16:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 14:16:52 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <138FAF0D3722D311BAD00000F8093163227DD5@hdo-exchange.corporate.southam.ca> From: "Bailey, Jim" To: "'looppost'" Subject: RE: open reel deck looping? Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 14:05:45 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <"-3NTG3.0.-n3.V5p1v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13920 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > -----Original Message----- > From: lance glover [mailto:baumhaus@earthlink.net] > Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2000 6:04 PM > > while on the subject, i wanna thank everyone who's responded > to the open reel > looping thread. i haven't had time to work on this yet, but > hope to get to it > soon. ...and before it dies out completely, perhaps I should leap in. Like some others have said, I prefer this method for its organic, evolutionary type of sound. There are interactions which occur due to layering and distortion that I can't imagine happening with digital devices (although lack of funds denies me the opportunity to test this hypothesis). Setting up the system so that it works properly can sometimes be tricky, but the results will often astonish. Hell, I've even got some nice results using a couple of really cheap portable units (Nagras... no, just kidding! Actually they are the type you could get from Sears in the 'sixties). Now, for those who may be hungry, here's some canned luncheon meat: I'm always interested in trading the LP I made in '86 for whatever others might have - it doesn't have to be professionally manufactured. There are three tracks, two with tape delay; one long piece with Mini-Moog as the source, and a shorter one using electric guitar which is a little bit Fripp-like (though not good enough to be confused with him). I also do a weekly college radio show, so you can get airtime too. Let me know if you're interested. Jim Bailey From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 26 13:59:13 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA13215; Wed, 26 Apr 2000 13:59:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 13:59:13 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.0.20000426130215.00af38a0@mail.earthlink.net> References: <4.3.1.0.20000426130215.00af38a0@mail.earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 13:23:11 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: Re:fair use for samples Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <"ltKr_.0.WZ2.Nfo1v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13914 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 1:02 PM -0400 4/26/00, Michael Tuminello wrote: >Length is not the only constraint. If a lawyer can make a case for >it being a major part of a song, like the hook from "satisfaction", >they could still sue you if you're not paying royalties. As I >understand it... > >best bet is to have it be not recognizable at all, whatever the length. > >MT The one who dies with the most lawyers wins(-; In the one case that reached the supreme court (the 2 Live Crew case), both the decision and opinion were firmly in favor of a broad view of fair use. Since few of us can afford lawyers for appeal litigation, this has not help the sampling cause anywhere near as much as I had hoped. Personally, I adapt the rule of thumb that if the original producer of the source would have a less thagtn 50% chance of catching it unprompted, its fair use. How folks like DJ Shadow or Richard Kirk, whose thing is based on using a large number of recognizable though obscure samples, deal with this is beyond me. (Kirk releases his own stuff and, presumably, takes his chances. Shadow hasn't done that much lately, perhaps because of this very issue.) "The reasonable man adapts himself to the world. The unreasonable man persists in adapting the world to himself. Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man. -- George Bernard Shaw Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. Video Producer Image Processing Specialist Video for your HEAD! Boris FX http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 26 14:20:20 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA16781; Wed, 26 Apr 2000 14:20:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 14:20:20 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000426180151.83702.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [204.164.62.238] Reply-To: m.lameyer@rcn.com From: "Michael LaMeyer" To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: Napster Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 14:01:51 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"iVEZH2.0.bL3.nyo1v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13916 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com ---- Original Message ----- From: "Javier Miranda V." To: Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2000 12:50 PM Subject: RE: Napster >I happen to agree with Larry. I've already gone to the record shop (to my >surprise) and bought a bunch of CDs of people whose music I downloaded off >Napster just to "see what they sound like." Hear, hear. I've already found people I've either not heard of or didn't hear enough of to check out. Now I got the chance and solely because of what I've heard on Napster I've bought Ani Difranco, Patty Larkin, Leo Kottke (from my home state! woooohooo!), . . . even *new* no less! I used to buy used cds predominately. This is an email from a friend of mine to whom I sent some Ani mp3's to: DUDE!!!!!!!!! I NEED TO BUY ANI RIGHT NOW. which album should i start with ?!!!!!!!!!!!! pk . . . can you spell 'free promotion'? >However, the argument about "new music" being promoted through Napster >sounds weak to me. I can't type "new music" and get a listing. I only get >listings of artists and songs I already know. If I don't know it, I won't >likely download it. I think only if everybody in Napster agrees to share a >folder called "New Music," and put new original stuff in there they want >promoted, and only if folks actually go in those folders to "sample" stuff >(sample like in sampling food), that would be a way new music would get >spread about. Hey, I'll do that. *implementing 'New Folder' feature* Actually, I usually found new stuff by searching for stuff I know, and then checking out what people who have this stuff also have. Anybody with 'Zappa' in their libraries has got to be worth a look. I've been pretty successful, but the vast, vast majority of songs are by "well-known" artists *sigh* Mike "The future will be better tomorrow" --- Vice President Dan Quayle ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 26 14:31:08 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA18761; Wed, 26 Apr 2000 14:31:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 14:31:08 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000426180441.4941.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [204.164.62.238] Reply-To: m.lameyer@rcn.com From: "Michael LaMeyer" To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: Hell-o! Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 14:04:41 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"h-0XX3.0.wT3.Y_o1v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13917 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: "Loopers" Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2000 1:34 PM Subject: RE: Hell-o! >The wavedrum sound creation technology has been built into their new OASYS >pci card. > >bIz Cool! I didn't know that. But you can't whap it like a conga, or use brushes. The interface was most of the appeal to me. Mike ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 26 14:39:29 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA20102; Wed, 26 Apr 2000 14:39:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 14:39:29 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: Subject: RE: Ins. Vid. :Lobby Gibson Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 11:37:10 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <12-390730A3-916@storefull-115.iap.bryant.webtv.net> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <"QqySY3.0.9n4.BSp1v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13922 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com It's a good idea, but to be frank, I think that getting a doctorate in film production from A.F.I and spending years as a film intern would be a faster, cheaper way. bIz -----Original Message----- From: Jordan Pease [mailto:jordanpease@webtv.net] Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2000 11:09 AM To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Subject: Ins. Vid. :Lobby Gibson For those who would like to take action on the 'EDP tutorial video' issue; please write to Mike Ayers at mayers@gibson.com Fight the good fight. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 26 14:40:23 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA20234; Wed, 26 Apr 2000 14:40:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 14:40:23 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <003701bfafc4$304d8220$0101a8c0@pavilion> From: "Brian Mulvey" To: "steve lawson" , References: <001001bfaf90$62bd7c80$702cf7c2@abc.zetnet.co.uk> Subject: Re: Napster Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 14:12:45 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <"XK6Gi3.0.Se3.K2p1v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13918 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > > If napster catches on, you can say goodbye to anyone making any money out of > recording music, and therefor having any money to invest in getting better.. If? Napster is phenomenally popular at colleges and among people with DSL/Cable hookups. > > thanks very much for hammering another nail into the coffin of the > collective careers of all the world's musicians. *cough* you mean shirt-and-tie record label men? From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 26 14:29:11 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA18165; Wed, 26 Apr 2000 14:29:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 14:29:11 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhR06/MMmB6wtn90mOicAUXC1OatzgIUPkcMhMRIw/nUPfcMdRR7hrZpurM= From: jordanpease@webtv.net (Jordan Pease) Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 11:08:35 -0700 (PDT) To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Subject: Ins. Vid. :Lobby Gibson Message-ID: <12-390730A3-916@storefull-115.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Resent-Message-ID: <"g4Itw1.0.yg3.b2p1v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13919 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com For those who would like to take action on the 'EDP tutorial video' issue; please write to Mike Ayers at mayers@gibson.com Fight the good fight. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 26 14:59:05 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA23249; Wed, 26 Apr 2000 14:59:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 14:59:05 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "future perfect" To: Subject: RE: Free Music Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 14:47:42 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"IAOSW2.0.m-4.rXp1v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13923 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I did read an interview with Lars Ulrich from Metallica about Napster who was very upset it cut into his profits. It seems the music being traded is the most popular stuff- as someone said, you can't search for 'new music' and get anything. I doubt Metallica or Britney Spears (2 of the most traded mp3s) now need to save up for that 4th car due to Napster. Yes, I've installed Napster, but I can't find music I am interested in. Yes, Napster offers lots of free music, but the roadside fruit stand offers a bucket of free fruit too, and most of it is rotten. It seems Napser 'hurts' the most sucessful artists. What really is obscene is the ticket prices to a Metallica show, or the fact a new CD cost close to $18USD. How about the fact that the band sees maybe $1 for every CD sold. And CDs cost less to make than cassettes. Napster seems to be a record company problem, not an artist problem. A portable CD player is like $50, a portable mp3 player is $250+ and there will always be people who want to take the music with them wherever they go. To top it of, Lars says: "We take our craft -- whether it be the music, the lyrics, or the photos and artwork very seriously, as do most artists," "It is therefore sickening to know that our art is being traded like a commodity rather than the art that it is." oh my, maybe this is the end of the music industry as we know it. (full article here: http://www.cnn.com/2000/TECH/ptech/04/14/metallica.lawsuit.ap/index.html) Dave Eichenberger- guitars.loops.devices http://home1.gte.net/artmusic/dave > -----Original Message----- > From: Tiktok [mailto:tiktok@sprintmail.com] > Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2000 1:44 PM > To: Looper's Delight > Subject: Free Music > > > 1) Everyone's for free music until it's their music they're not being > *fairly* rewarded for. One's definition of "fair" varies according to the > perception of how much money is being personally lost. > > 2) The "music industry" is not a synonymous term for "musicians". > So, statements such as "Napster is a boon to the music industry, just as > home taping was" are probably not cause for musicians to rejoice. > Musicians benefit when they feel transported by playing music. > People who are also musicians can benefit when they get paid for their > music, since the last time I checked there was no Napster equivalent for > gassing up your tour van or buying recording gear. > Making music at anything above the dilettante/hobbyist level > requires a lot > of money. > > 3) The "rise of alternative music" was due to the Music Industry > deciding to > promote some Alternative bands, not to home taping. > > > TH > > -- > "For over half a century rock 'n' roll music has acted as a kind > of umbrella > under which the noblest elements of society have gathered. Today, the very > word "rock" is a synonym for everything that's most decent, honorable and > moderate in Western society. The model behavior of both its stars and fans > is eclipsed only by the probity and rectitude of the men and women at the > business end -- that corps of managers, accountants and recording > companies > whose transparent honesty and compassion have made the industry such a > pleasant environment for musicians to work in." > > --John Perry, from a discussion of the Napster situation > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 26 14:55:35 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA22636; Wed, 26 Apr 2000 14:55:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 14:55:35 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <00d401bfafae$c7aac0d0$70310140@concentric.net> From: "Larry Tremblay" To: References: Subject: Re: Free Music Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 14:39:37 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"zYSve.0.Wm4.oRp1v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13921 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tiktok" To: "Looper's Delight" Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2000 1:43 PM Subject: Free Music > 1) Everyone's for free music until it's their music they're not being > *fairly* rewarded for. One's definition of "fair" varies according to the > perception of how much money is being personally lost. > First of all, by "free" music I meant shared via the Internet or home recording. This would be in the form of low-res versions. But for the sake of argument, how many albums are you willing download over the net? Get real. I can barely tolerate anything beyond 2 megs, never an album. No one has addressed the issue of quality. Who wants to buy an albums-worth of shit if you don't have to? Id this what so-called artists fear - less than platinum sales on their one-hit wonder CD? > 2) The "music industry" is not a synonymous term for "musicians". > So, statements such as "Napster is a boon to the music industry, just as > home taping was" are probably not cause for musicians to rejoice. > Musicians benefit when they feel transported by playing music. > People who are also musicians can benefit when they get paid for their > music, since the last time I checked there was no Napster equivalent for > gassing up your tour van or buying recording gear. > Making music at anything above the dilettante/hobbyist level requires a lot > of money. > In today's milieu, - in the context of existing laws and economic realities - Napster, and the Internet, in general, is a boon to muso's as well. The opportunities have never been better. For instance, after listening to a low-res versions of an album by an obscure folky who lives in Minnesota, I decided to purchase his album. He did NOT have to tour (frankly, a somewhat over-rated ego-stroking activity for many), nor did he have to go into debt with his record company. > 3) The "rise of alternative music" was due to the Music Industry deciding to > promote some Alternative bands, not to home taping. > Oh, really? If you're talking about *today's* Corporate Alternative Rock (COR), then I'd agree, but the foundation for this market was established very gradually in the late-70's through the 80's. The record companies are just plucking the low-hangin fruit planted by the likes of Mute, 4AD, Two-tone, and IRS records, among others. BTW, just what is today's COR and alternative to? ;) - Larry > > -- > "For over half a century rock 'n' roll music has acted as a kind of umbrella > under which the noblest elements of society have gathered. Today, the very > word "rock" is a synonym for everything that's most decent, honorable and > moderate in Western society. The model behavior of both its stars and fans > is eclipsed only by the probity and rectitude of the men and women at the > business end -- that corps of managers, accountants and recording companies > whose transparent honesty and compassion have made the industry such a > pleasant environment for musicians to work in." > > --John Perry, from a discussion of the Napster situation > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 26 15:23:11 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA26714; Wed, 26 Apr 2000 15:23:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 15:23:11 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: APerson7531@aol.com Message-ID: <7f.386209c.2638987e@aol.com> Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 15:07:42 EDT Subject: Porn To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 147 Resent-Message-ID: <"UoH_r3.0.816.Zwp1v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13925 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com What saves midi settings and machine patterns exclusively and can organize and save onto disks? Please tell me someone, and don't think anyone else will if you do know! I need to know, anyway hi yall, all yall! From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 26 15:15:18 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA25925; Wed, 26 Apr 2000 15:15:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 15:15:18 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3906A30F.E0A4FDED@clockworkgroup.no> References: <6d.308d894.26375e24@aol.com> <3.0.5.32.20000425214445.007be100@pop.ici.net> <3906A30F.E0A4FDED@clockworkgroup.no> Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 16:11:11 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Hex pickup...(Paradis?) OT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <"RYFLZ.0.Bx5.ntp1v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13924 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mark Francombe Red said: >Curious about the Polydistortion pedal and Subbass thingy, Just noticed >on your page that it will "do" the roland GR stuff... >Question is, Is this pedal available still? If so where? (thinking of >mail order as I live in Norway) No, that was before I started the loop thing. It was no success because one part of the guitarist expects a hot solo sound from any distortion and got disapointed with Polydistortion because its smoth and the other part of the guitarist that might like the sound does not even test it because they think they hate distortion in general. The Polysubbass is still arround. >Did you ever make a version with BOTH these features (bass and >distortion) We thought about doing this. And using a roland type DIN13 connector since it turned into standard for polyphonic guitars :-(. But so far, Paradis is sleeping totally. Rolf was here, he still thinks about guitars. >I am doing EXACTLY the same thing myself, but a cock-assed botch job >method, with two broken pickups, splitting the guitar into 3 strings and >three strings, now I buy a GR 30, and am thinking "if I could use this >pickup...too? The magnetic polyphonic pickup needs to be mounted near the bridge and therefore has very little bass. So it might work but less. ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 26 15:39:48 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA28658; Wed, 26 Apr 2000 15:39:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 15:39:48 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 12:25:17 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: rich Subject: RE: Free Music Resent-Message-ID: <"DfIiv2.0.QS6.b5q1v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13926 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Lars says: "We take our craft -- whether it be the music, the >lyrics, or the photos and artwork very seriously, as do most artists," "It >is therefore sickening to know that our art is being traded like a commodity >rather than the art that it is." poor, poor Lars. How is he to continue? If Napster is a thorn in the sides of successful (read bloated) artists like Metallica and Britney Spears, so be it. rich From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 26 16:01:29 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA31487; Wed, 26 Apr 2000 16:01:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 16:01:29 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000426195519.25655.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [204.247.186.99] From: "matt davignon" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Sampling copyrights Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 12:55:19 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"P_mRW3.0.7Q7.9dq1v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13929 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com (There are probably a lot of answers to this by now, but) The last time I read, the amount of time that a sample had to be before it was illegal was very small, like 1/4 of a second. The Prodigy probably had to pay a large amount of money for using the Art of Noise's "hey" sample in "firestarter". Even though the sample itself is very short, it's extremely unique and easy to recognize if you've ever heard the Art of Noise song. My advice would be to sample in a creative way, so that it becomes an actual part of the song, and isn't easily spottable as something from a particular artist. In other words, don't be Will Smith. Of course, if you keep your head down, you probably won't get sued for anything. Matt >From: Kevin Cheli-Colando >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Subject: Sampling copyrights >Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 10:57:02 -0400 > >Anyone know what the current fair use for samples is? Last I knew it was >something >like 2 seconds and under was acceptable and longer samples than that needed >credit/permission, etc. > >Thanks > >Kevin > ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 26 16:07:02 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA32218; Wed, 26 Apr 2000 16:07:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 16:07:02 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <011101bfafba$e2dfaa30$70310140@concentric.net> From: "Larry Tremblay" To: References: Subject: Re: Free Music Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 16:06:17 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"PP5H61.0.dj7.7jq1v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13930 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Someone give Lars some Kleenex while I tune up my sympathy violin... ;) The record companies and the 'artists' who collaborate with them have been ripping consumers off for decades. This *is* the end of the major label music industry as we know it and the star system that supports it. Good riddens. I haven't bought any major label product for years, anyway. Just for the record (no pun intended), major label artists make most of their money through concerts (another rip-off), product endorsements and tie-ins, and merchandising. Lars and his ilk complain that their 'Art ' is being treated like a commodity, yet, that's exactly what it is whenever you attempt to mass-market something. Hardly, a News Flash. It's the 'Barbie Principle' - giveaway the doll but soak 'em on the clothes and the Malibu BeachHouse. :) - Larry T ----- Original Message ----- From: "future perfect" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2000 2:47 PM Subject: RE: Free Music > I did read an interview with Lars Ulrich from Metallica about Napster who > was very upset it cut into his profits. It seems the music being traded is > the most popular stuff- as someone said, you can't search for 'new music' > and get anything. I doubt Metallica or Britney Spears (2 of the most traded > mp3s) now need to save up for that 4th car due to Napster. > Yes, I've installed Napster, but I can't find music I am interested in. > Yes, Napster offers lots of free music, but the roadside fruit stand offers > a bucket of free fruit too, and most of it is rotten. > It seems Napser 'hurts' the most sucessful artists. What really is obscene > is the ticket prices to a Metallica show, or the fact a new CD cost close to > $18USD. How about the fact that the band sees maybe $1 for every CD sold. > And CDs cost less to make than cassettes. > Napster seems to be a record company problem, not an artist problem. > A portable CD player is like $50, a portable mp3 player is $250+ and there > will always be people who want to take the music with them wherever they go. > To top it of, Lars says: "We take our craft -- whether it be the music, the > lyrics, or the photos and artwork very seriously, as do most artists," "It > is therefore sickening to know that our art is being traded like a commodity > rather than the art that it is." > > oh my, maybe this is the end of the music industry as we know it. > > (full article here: > http://www.cnn.com/2000/TECH/ptech/04/14/metallica.lawsuit.ap/index.html) > > Dave Eichenberger- guitars.loops.devices > http://home1.gte.net/artmusic/dave > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Tiktok [mailto:tiktok@sprintmail.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2000 1:44 PM > > To: Looper's Delight > > Subject: Free Music > > > > > > 1) Everyone's for free music until it's their music they're not being > > *fairly* rewarded for. One's definition of "fair" varies according to the > > perception of how much money is being personally lost. > > > > 2) The "music industry" is not a synonymous term for "musicians". > > So, statements such as "Napster is a boon to the music industry, just as > > home taping was" are probably not cause for musicians to rejoice. > > Musicians benefit when they feel transported by playing music. > > People who are also musicians can benefit when they get paid for their > > music, since the last time I checked there was no Napster equivalent for > > gassing up your tour van or buying recording gear. > > Making music at anything above the dilettante/hobbyist level > > requires a lot > > of money. > > > > 3) The "rise of alternative music" was due to the Music Industry > > deciding to > > promote some Alternative bands, not to home taping. > > > > > > TH > > > > -- > > "For over half a century rock 'n' roll music has acted as a kind > > of umbrella > > under which the noblest elements of society have gathered. Today, the very > > word "rock" is a synonym for everything that's most decent, honorable and > > moderate in Western society. The model behavior of both its stars and fans > > is eclipsed only by the probity and rectitude of the men and women at the > > business end -- that corps of managers, accountants and recording > > companies > > whose transparent honesty and compassion have made the industry such a > > pleasant environment for musicians to work in." > > > > --John Perry, from a discussion of the Napster situation > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 26 15:56:58 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA30808; Wed, 26 Apr 2000 15:56:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 15:56:58 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <032801bfafb8$fc684b80$2e5dadc7@Douglas> From: "K. Douglas Baldwin" To: "Michael LaMeyer" , Subject: Re: Hell-o! Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 15:51:59 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"3o3VJ1.0.UF7.zWq1v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13928 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com -----Original Message----- From: Michael LaMeyer To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Date: Wednesday, April 26, 2000 2:04 PM Subject: RE: Hell-o! >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" >To: "Loopers" >Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2000 1:34 PM >Subject: RE: Hell-o! > >>The wavedrum sound creation technology has been built into their new OASYS >>pci card. >> >>bIz > >Cool! I didn't know that. But you can't whap it like a conga, or use >brushes. The interface was most of the appeal to me. > >Mike Oh yes you can. i have the Roland Products demo video, and lots of hand-technique subtleties come thru. Tho I'm not sure about the brushes, if you "fingertip" it you get one sound, and if you whack it w/yr fist it goes BOOOOMMM! Douglas Baldwin, Alpha male Coyote, the Trickster dbaldwin@suffolk.lib.ny.us From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 26 16:02:17 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA31596; Wed, 26 Apr 2000 16:02:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 16:02:17 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3907474A.FB0BBC4B@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 12:45:41 -0700 From: George Van Wagner X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: fair use for samples References: <4.3.1.0.20000426130215.00af38a0@mail.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"7r2sM.0.e57.MRq1v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13927 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com My impression was that the 2 Live Crew case had more to do with parody being protected speech and the fair use implications of that, rather than a broader interpretation of just what constitutes fair use. There is some good information available at http://fairuse.stanford.edu/ for them what's innerested. George "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" wrote: > > At 1:02 PM -0400 4/26/00, Michael Tuminello wrote: > >Length is not the only constraint. If a lawyer can make a case for > >it being a major part of a song, like the hook from "satisfaction", > >they could still sue you if you're not paying royalties. As I > >understand it... > > > >best bet is to have it be not recognizable at all, whatever the length. > > > >MT > > The one who dies with the most lawyers wins(-; > > In the one case that reached the supreme court (the 2 Live Crew > case), both the decision and opinion were firmly in favor of a broad > view of fair use. Since few of us can afford lawyers for appeal > litigation, this has not help the sampling cause anywhere near as > much as I had hoped. > > Personally, I adapt the rule of thumb that if the original producer > of the source would have a less thagtn 50% chance of catching it > unprompted, its fair use. How folks like DJ Shadow or Richard Kirk, > whose thing is based on using a large number of recognizable though > obscure samples, deal with this is beyond me. (Kirk releases his own > stuff and, presumably, takes his chances. Shadow hasn't done that > much lately, perhaps because of this very issue.) > > "The reasonable man adapts himself to the world. The unreasonable man > persists in adapting the world to himself. Therefore, all progress > depends on the unreasonable man. > > -- George Bernard Shaw > > Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. > Video Producer Image Processing Specialist > Video for your HEAD! Boris FX > http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 26 16:25:13 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA02213; Wed, 26 Apr 2000 16:25:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 16:25:13 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <011201bfafbd$e213ee60$6187abd4@h2v6p1> From: "luca" To: References: Subject: R: Bill Frisell's/David Torn's videos? Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 22:19:33 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <"MFIi9.0._O.V-q1v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13932 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi. maybe I can have some problems, BUT THERE IS NO WAY TO FIND ANY BILL FRISELL'S OR DAVID TORN'S VIDEO IN THE WEB !! does anybody find them on-line for buying ? thanks for the help. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 26 16:40:20 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA03935; Wed, 26 Apr 2000 16:40:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 16:40:20 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000426203450.91097.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [204.247.186.99] From: "matt davignon" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: Free Music Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 13:34:50 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"v0sDF1.0.cm.DCr1v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13935 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >Metallica or Britney Spears (2 of the most traded >mp3s) Haha, that's another reason why I support the free music cause. Hopefully, when people realize that Metallica and Britney Spears albums are now singles with about 80% filler to make a full CD, they'll start to look for artists who make "art" rather than "commodity for sale". >To top it of, Lars says: "We take our craft -- whether it be the music, > >the lyrics, or the photos and artwork very seriously, as do most > >artists," "It is therefore sickening to know that our art is being traded > >like a commodity rather than the art that it is." > I remember hearing somewhere that a short while ago, the RIAA was actually going to try to start charging radio stations for playing music by RIAA-involved artists. After all, the radio stations were profiting off of other peoples' art and the "Artists" (Record execs) weren't making one red cent from radio airplay. I was crossing my fingers and hoping that they'd actually do it. That way, independent musicians (who still have to earn their fan base) could have offered their music to radios for "free", thereby destroying the music industry as we know it. Matt ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 26 16:26:30 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA02340; Wed, 26 Apr 2000 16:26:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 16:26:30 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000426202113.19689.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [204.247.186.99] From: "matt davignon" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Free Music Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 13:21:13 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"OCnnC2.0.PR.P_q1v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13933 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >From: Tiktok > >1) Everyone's for free music until it's their music they're not being >*fairly* rewarded for. One's definition of "fair" varies according to the >perception of how much money is being personally lost. > I'm for free music, and I'm not always fairly rewarded for it. Does that make me a nobody? Personally, I feel that if someone duplicates my CD, they saved me the work of duplicating it for them. And if they want the cover art or anything like that, they'll buy it. (And I don't charge pretentiously high prices for music.) By offering my music for free in mp3 form, I've been heard by lots of people around the country and even some people outside the country. I've met lots of interesting musicians on the basis that they've heard my stuff and like it, and vice versa. So I had 2 basic choices, I could've sold my CD's for $12 each to the 6 people that would've bought them, and made $72. Out of those 6 people, 2 probably would never listen to them more than once, and those CD's would be wasted. Or I could offer them for free online. People who are curious about what I do can download and hear all they want. If they want to hear it at times when they're not right next to the computer, they'll contact me for a CD. I'll sell more of those CD's for cheaper, and I'll have the satisfaction of knowing that they'll actually be enjoyed. Matt ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 26 16:36:44 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA03258; Wed, 26 Apr 2000 16:36:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 16:36:44 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: Subject: RE: Free Music Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 13:20:35 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <"LSLYQ3.0.YL.3zq1v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13931 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >To top it of, Lars says: "We take our craft -- whether it be the music, the >lyrics, or the photos and artwork very seriously, as do most artists," "It >is therefore sickening to know that our art is being traded like a commodity >rather than the art that it is." It's pretty obvious that he has no idea what napster is. bIz From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 26 16:33:28 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA02908; Wed, 26 Apr 2000 16:33:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 16:33:28 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000426202546.52847.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [204.164.62.238] Reply-To: m.lameyer@rcn.com From: "Michael LaMeyer" To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: Free Music Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 16:25:46 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"12ULe.0.Ea.h3r1v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13934 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com The old model: 1) Musician makes music 2) Record company records music, makes record, promotes artist, distributes music to stores = Record company controls music production and distribution The current model: 1)Musician makes music, *can* record music, *can* press master cd and pay for duplication, *can* self promote, very hard and expensive to distribute music on a large scale 2) Record company *usually* records music, *usually* arranges for media duplication (same company or other), promotes artist (depending on who you ask), controls wide spread distribution of music recordings to stores = technology has given artists more ability to produce quality sounding recordings fairly cheaply (in comparison), the Internet has given some artists more exposure outside of their communities (impact?), record companies still control wide spread promotion and distribution (and take a pretty good cut for the priviledge) What does the MP3 and Napster and it's ilk mean?: 1) Physical media will eventually become less prevalent, it's not as convenient or portable. All-digital storage and distribution of music will eventually become commonplace (it's harder for your kids to scratch RAM, and high-bandwidth or wireless data networks will continue to grow). I don't know when eventually is, but it sure is starting to look like soon. 2) Simple standards based distributed file sharing will allow ANYONE with access to the internet to be a mass distributor, potentially. This alone threatens the ability of anyone to generate revenue based on the current model. This need not be centralized. It would be so easy to create online communities (such as this!) with subscribers that share, trade, or sell music to each other. Combine that fact with the ever increasing ability of musicians to produce and encode all of their music themselves (or with a few others) and you've blown the above two models out of the water. The only caveat is, how is anyone going to make money distributing music with this technology? *scratches head* Is that really the point? Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tiktok" To: "Looper's Delight" Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2000 1:43 PM Subject: Free Music >1) Everyone's for free music until it's their music they're not being >*fairly* rewarded for. One's definition of "fair" varies according to the >perception of how much money is being personally lost. > >2) The "music industry" is not a synonymous term for "musicians". >So, statements such as "Napster is a boon to the music industry, just as >home taping was" are probably not cause for musicians to rejoice. >Musicians benefit when they feel transported by playing music. >People who are also musicians can benefit when they get paid for their >music, since the last time I checked there was no Napster equivalent for >gassing up your tour van or buying recording gear. >Making music at anything above the dilettante/hobbyist level requires a lot >of money. > >3) The "rise of alternative music" was due to the Music Industry deciding >to >promote some Alternative bands, not to home taping. > > >TH > >-- >"For over half a century rock 'n' roll music has acted as a kind of >umbrella >under which the noblest elements of society have gathered. Today, the very >word "rock" is a synonym for everything that's most decent, honorable and >moderate in Western society. The model behavior of both its stars and fans >is eclipsed only by the probity and rectitude of the men and women at the >business end -- that corps of managers, accountants and recording companies >whose transparent honesty and compassion have made the industry such a >pleasant environment for musicians to work in." > >--John Perry, from a discussion of the Napster situation > > ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 26 17:03:05 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA07513; Wed, 26 Apr 2000 17:03:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 17:03:05 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <390757E4.6D2728E4@ppi2pass.com> Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 13:56:05 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro Reply-To: msottilaro@ppi2pass.com Organization: PPI X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Porn References: <7f.386209c.2638987e@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"EAUXE1.0.oV1.cWr1v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13939 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com You're question is so vague I doubt that anyone knows what the hell you're talking about, which is probably why no one will answer your question, but I will give it a try. Stuff. Stuff will save stuff and put it on to other stuff, but you've got to press on the little thing. I hope that helps. APerson7531@aol.com wrote: > What saves midi settings and machine patterns exclusively and can organize > and save onto disks? Please tell me someone, and don't think anyone else > will if you do know! I need to know, anyway hi yall, all yall! -- Mark Sottilaro Professional Publications, Inc 1250 Fifth Ave, Belmont CA 94002 Multimedia Production E-mail: msottilaro@ppi2pass.com Phone: (650) 593-9119 ext. 29 From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 26 17:06:08 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA07875; Wed, 26 Apr 2000 17:06:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 17:06:08 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 13:43:45 -0700 From: "Mike Biffle" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, artmusic@gte.net Subject: Re: RE: Free Music Resent-Message-ID: <"lSMYG.0.WB1.vKr1v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13937 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Lars Ulricht said in interview with Dave Eichenberger... > "We take our craft -- whether it be the music, the lyrics, or the photos and artwork very seriously, as do most artists," "It is therefore sickening to know that our art is being traded like a commodity rather than the art that it is." This from one of the largest COMMODITIES available in the record industry... although ya gotta respect their hard work... I tend to feel that it's going to promote music to more people than hurt them... The biggies might find a dent in their wallets... I agree with Larry that with download time, fidelity, and available players, that Napster is sort of like a listening station at a record store. Great to get a feel for the artist, but getting the cd gets you the real deal with art, packaging and hi-fi... > oh my, maybe this is the end of the music industry as we know it. One can hope... the INDUSTRY totally sucks wind... -Miko From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 26 17:03:43 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA07574; Wed, 26 Apr 2000 17:03:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 17:03:43 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000426204601.23437.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [131.107.3.75] From: "Greg S" To: References: <011201bfafbd$e213ee60$6187abd4@h2v6p1> Subject: Re: Bill Frisell's/David Torn's videos? Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 13:46:00 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <"Qr8su.0.RF1.gMr1v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13938 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > BUT THERE IS NO WAY TO FIND ANY BILL FRISELL'S > OR DAVID TORN'S VIDEO IN > THE WEB !! > does anybody find them on-line for buying ? I just found DT's: http://www.homespuntapes.com/item.cfm?od=676&ad=vdabegt01&ae=vdmunin01&ms=&f rom=a From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 26 17:13:26 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA09077; Wed, 26 Apr 2000 17:13:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 17:13:26 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Astral Moontribe {Schizodellic Faktor}" To: Subject: RE: Free Music Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 17:05:53 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 In-Reply-To: <011101bfafba$e2dfaa30$70310140@concentric.net> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <"t9Tzt2.0.y_1.Hhr1v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13941 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sorry that my first post to the list is off-topic. I just ordered a Zoom ST-224, and thought I'd subscribe to get a looper's mentality. It hasn't arrived yet, and it will be my first sampler. If anyone out there has any experience with this instrument, I'd appreciate some feedback! Heh, by the sounds of reviews and user experiences, I think I will be pleased with it. Something that I see as being a hassle is the memory and storage... Oh well. Anyway...as for the off-topicness... Sad to admit, but I was watching MTV the other day or week, can't remember, and the band Limp Bizkit was standing there talking to John Norris (I think that's his name) about their upcoming album. Turns out they're going to be performing a bunch of free concerts to promote this album. They mentioned that Napster was sponsering these concerts, and the conversation turned towards Napster. Limp Bizkit are avid proponents of Napster, stating what most of the proponents here have said. They even referred to Metallica, saying that the first time they ever heard Metallica was via a crap dubbed tape that a friend gave. The singer then said that afterwards he became the biggest Metallica fan and endedup buying all of their albums... To him, it is just like dubbing casettes, and me, well I agree. In most cases, it's even easier and quicker to dub a tape. Oh well...whatever. Napster is ok because I like dance music, and I have found 1 hour sets of live DJ mixtapes that I can't find elsewhere, and they really aren't worth the money if I did find them at a store, and I know the DJ's aren't getting any of the profits from those mixtapes anyway. Another thing that is nice about Napster is I like Phish and the Grateful Dead...I can get entire shows through Napster. Perhaps whiney bands can look at Phish, a band that allows taping at their concerts and free trade of those tapes, and learn something. Phish is one of the most successful touring bands in America. They make money off of working hard and busting their ass playing live. They make next to no money off of record sales. :) Oh well. I will admit I ripped a few commercial tunes off of Napster, but not many, and most of them are ones I hear on the radio anyway. -schizodellia PS: Hope to have some on-topic post in the ensuing weeks... :) Seems a good list so far. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 26 17:16:59 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA09603; Wed, 26 Apr 2000 17:16:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 17:16:59 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Crossedout@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 17:03:09 EDT Subject: Re: fair use for samples To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 100 Resent-Message-ID: <"AGKy62.0.ns1.ucr1v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13940 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com There's some good information (admittedly, lots of articles are slanted in favor of broadening Fair Use significantly) on this subject at www.negativland.com Intellec tual Property Issues check it out. - Crossedout@aol.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 26 17:11:17 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA08690; Wed, 26 Apr 2000 17:11:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 17:11:17 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3907474A.FB0BBC4B@earthlink.net> References: <4.3.1.0.20000426130215.00af38a0@mail.earthlink.net> <3907474A.FB0BBC4B@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 16:20:30 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: Re: fair use for samples Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <"aWf3K.0.U31.jHr1v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13936 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com The opinions (to my, thankfully non-lawyeresque eyes) were pretty supportive of a more general view of fair use. At 12:45 PM -0700 4/26/00, George Van Wagner wrote: >My impression was that the 2 Live Crew case had more to do with parody >being protected speech and the fair use implications of that, rather >than a broader interpretation of just what constitutes fair use. There >is some good information available at http://fairuse.stanford.edu/ for >them what's innerested. > >George > >"Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" wrote: > > > > At 1:02 PM -0400 4/26/00, Michael Tuminello wrote: > > >Length is not the only constraint. If a lawyer can make a case for > > >it being a major part of a song, like the hook from "satisfaction", > > >they could still sue you if you're not paying royalties. As I > > >understand it... > > > > > >best bet is to have it be not recognizable at all, whatever the length. > > > > > >MT > > > > The one who dies with the most lawyers wins(-; > > > > In the one case that reached the supreme court (the 2 Live Crew > > case), both the decision and opinion were firmly in favor of a broad > > view of fair use. Since few of us can afford lawyers for appeal > > litigation, this has not help the sampling cause anywhere near as > > much as I had hoped. > > > > Personally, I adapt the rule of thumb that if the original producer > > of the source would have a less thagtn 50% chance of catching it > > unprompted, its fair use. How folks like DJ Shadow or Richard Kirk, > > whose thing is based on using a large number of recognizable though > > obscure samples, deal with this is beyond me. (Kirk releases his own > > stuff and, presumably, takes his chances. Shadow hasn't done that > > much lately, perhaps because of this very issue.) > > > > "The reasonable man adapts himself to the world. The unreasonable man > > persists in adapting the world to himself. Therefore, all progress > > depends on the unreasonable man. > > > > -- George Bernard Shaw > > > > Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. > > Video Producer Image Processing Specialist > > Video for your HEAD! Boris FX > > http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com "The reasonable man adapts himself to the world. The unreasonable man persists in adapting the world to himself. Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man. -- George Bernard Shaw Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. Video Producer Image Processing Specialist Video for your HEAD! Boris FX http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 26 17:18:09 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA09784; Wed, 26 Apr 2000 17:18:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 17:18:09 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: panix3.panix.com: tonobung owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 17:14:06 -0400 (EDT) From: "r. dennis" To: "looper's delight" Subject: GIG PROMO west coast Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"DwMX11.0.CG2.fmr1v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13943 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com like it says up top... guess i'll take advantage of the recent give and take about gig postings to announce some of my own! so,.... anti:clockwise in the west! anti:clockwise is the solo/ipmrov/uglient alter-project of tono-bungay's r. dennis west coast loop fanatics have a unique and rare opportunity to see anti:clockwise as follows: tues. 5/23 - seattle? olympia? stay tuned weds. 5/24 - milk bar - portland, or fri. 5/26 - kimos - san francisco, ca with bill horist & mason jones sat. 5/27 - live radio broadcast over kfjc may add 1 or 2 more dates if fortune so deigns. hope to see you there a:c From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 26 17:22:06 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA10266; Wed, 26 Apr 2000 17:22:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 17:22:06 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <002a01bfafc4$d4c4a090$bd310140@concentric.net> From: "Larry Tremblay" To: References: <20000426203450.91097.qmail@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: Free Music Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 17:17:28 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"4l9721.0.cD2.plr1v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13942 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I agree with Matt. However, radio stations already pay performance royalties to BMI and ASCAP for the right to broadcast major label product. This is called a performance royalty, which are figured out statistically (usual) to determining who gets paid how much based on total airplay hours within a market segment. BMI has their own proprietary method of figuring out performance payouts. Nightclubs, too, must pay performance licences, as do CD jukebox venders, etc. Quite the revenue stream, no? (Boo, hoo, hoo...) So you see, there's lots of money at stake here. :) - Larry T ----- Original Message ----- From: "matt davignon" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2000 4:34 PM Subject: RE: Free Music > >Metallica or Britney Spears (2 of the most traded > >mp3s) > > Haha, that's another reason why I support the free music cause. Hopefully, > when people realize that Metallica and Britney Spears albums are now singles > with about 80% filler to make a full CD, they'll start to look for artists > who make "art" rather than "commodity for sale". > > >To top it of, Lars says: "We take our craft -- whether it be the music, > > >the lyrics, or the photos and artwork very seriously, as do most > > >artists," "It is therefore sickening to know that our art is being traded > > >like a commodity rather than the art that it is." > > > > I remember hearing somewhere that a short while ago, the RIAA was actually > going to try to start charging radio stations for playing music by > RIAA-involved artists. After all, the radio stations were profiting off of > other peoples' art and the "Artists" (Record execs) weren't making one red > cent from radio airplay. > > I was crossing my fingers and hoping that they'd actually do it. That way, > independent musicians (who still have to earn their fan base) could have > offered their music to radios for "free", thereby destroying the music > industry as we know it. > > Matt > ________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 26 17:23:56 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA10663; Wed, 26 Apr 2000 17:23:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 17:23:56 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: pvallad1@tampabay.rr.com Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000426172028.00f5cc30@pop-server> X-Sender: pvallad1@pop-server X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 17:20:28 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: Hell-o! In-Reply-To: References: <20000426165252.78417.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"IOKX1.0.zQ2.Srr1v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13944 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 10:34 AM 4/26/00 -0700, you wrote: > >The wavedrum sound creation technology has been built into their new OASYS >pci card. > >bIz I wonder how this would work, in that the Wavedrum's sounds were produced by incoming signals from various mics on the drumhead, which were then processed by physical modeling technology. Very similar in concept to the VG8, which produces all its sounds from guitar strings processed through physical modeling technology. Where would the "input" be for the OASYS card - a new drumhead attachment? Paolo From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 26 17:41:29 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA12567; Wed, 26 Apr 2000 17:41:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 17:41:29 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 16:22:27 -0500 (CDT) From: Dave Onnen X-Sender: skyeklad@verdi.siteprotect.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Napster In-Reply-To: <200004262108.RAA08171@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"y4Gey1.0.Aa2.Hvr1v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13945 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Would it be a problem to take this discussion offline? It seems that every music related list I am on has turned into the "Napster Arguement List" lately. I am sure that there are plenty of discussion groups specific to this subject. Personally, I am much more interested in looping and music making techniques. just my 2 cents... ___________________________________________________________ Dave Onnen skyeklad@skyeklad.com ___________________________________________________________ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 26 17:54:14 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA14372; Wed, 26 Apr 2000 17:54:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 17:54:14 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <037301bfafc8$9a9ddc20$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: Subject: Re: Porn Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 16:44:30 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"rndOt2.0.PP3.mIs1v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13952 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I used to use Stuff. Now I got More Stuff. Not only will More Stuff save stuff and put it onto other stuff (being backward compatible with Stuff) but More Stuff will save more stuff than Stuff and put it on to more stuff than Stuff! Cool stuff, hey? AND More Stuff is available wherever you get Stuff! That's right! ANY store will sell you More Stuff! Just ask! "Can you sell me More Stuff?" But I didn't know about pressing the little thing. I've been turning the other little thing on it instead. I'll try pressing it on it. Glad to be of help! Dennis Leas ----------------------------- dennis@mdbs.com -----Original Message----- From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Wednesday, April 26, 2000 4:05 PM Subject: Re: Porn >You're question is so vague I doubt that anyone knows what the hell you're >talking about, which is probably why no one will answer your question, but I >will give it a try. > >Stuff. Stuff will save stuff and put it on to other stuff, but you've got to >press on the little thing. > >I hope that helps. > >APerson7531@aol.com wrote: > >> What saves midi settings and machine patterns exclusively and can organize >> and save onto disks? Please tell me someone, and don't think anyone else >> will if you do know! I need to know, anyway hi yall, all yall! > >-- >Mark Sottilaro >Professional Publications, Inc >1250 Fifth Ave, Belmont CA 94002 >Multimedia Production >E-mail: msottilaro@ppi2pass.com >Phone: (650) 593-9119 ext. 29 > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 26 17:50:00 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA13814; Wed, 26 Apr 2000 17:50:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 17:50:00 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: pvallad1@tampabay.rr.com Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000426174522.00f5c210@pop-server> X-Sender: pvallad1@pop-server X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 17:45:22 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Free Music In-Reply-To: <011101bfafba$e2dfaa30$70310140@concentric.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"Ekwhe1.0.p73.mCs1v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13948 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com It seems to me the main concern regarding the Napster is the availability of music that was released on commercial albums. I don't think there is a concern over the availability of music that musicians have, of their own volition, put online to be freely "shared". Also, I think that those who are "anti-Napster" are protesting the choice of whether to distribute their music for free being taken away from them. Mr. X is concerned about protecting his income and doesn't want his music to be downloaded for free whereas Mr. Y wants to freely give away his music. Naturally, Mr. Y is not going to care if something like the Napster makes it possible for users to upload his music where others can download it for free while Mr. X is going to have the opposite view. Well, that's my understanding anyway. I have no vested interest either way. Feel free to correct me. :) Paolo From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 26 17:56:22 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA14551; Wed, 26 Apr 2000 17:56:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 17:56:22 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <000201bfafc9$81fd1f40$052cf7c2@abc.zetnet.co.uk> From: "steve lawson" To: Subject: Re: Napster (aka: The New Digital Realm) Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 22:35:45 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"qo8Vn2.0.mR3.ZJs1v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13954 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >I'm usually quiet in regards to letting others keep their opinions, but... I >have to say.. This is an outdated, and unfortunate attitude towards >electronic delivery of music.. Thanks for letting me know... >Listen... This is a new world, and a new thinking has to be accepted or you >will die off like a dinosaur. Have you realized that with the advent of the >MP3 market - CD sales INCREASED by nearly 20 BILLION DOLLARS last year?! >Anyone who believes that FREE mass distribution is a bad thing should ask >Linus Torvald about how he's doing. Man this irks me.. Something like the >Internet comes around - offering EVERYONE the same distribution footprint as >the big boys, and all people do is whine about not being able to nickle and >dime their audience. I've no idea who Linus Torvald is, and my concern about Napster is not to do with sympathy with Big Record Companies. Philosphically, I have a problem with a piece of software specifically designed for the distribution of unlicenced duplicated music. I think Streaming Audio is great - I've got Real Audio files on my site, and I hope that it enables some people who otherwise wouldn't hear what I do to hear it, and allows others who might have bought it thinking it was good to hear it first and change their minds and not waste the money. I'd get pretty pissed off though if someone else took my album and converted it to MP3 format and was distibuting it without asking me. If an artist wants to give their art away, that's cool, but if they don't, I think it's bad news when there's a program like Napster around that makes it possible for anyone to make that decision for them. Nothing to do with Record companies, this is about artists being in control of their own art, which under current copyright law is still supposed to be the case (exploitative publishing deals notwithstanding). As much as I can see the inequity in Lars Ulrich crying over a loss of sales when he's worth millions already, I still can't see how that justifies the (as I see it) theft of the music. Sure, lobby the industry for a drop in CD prices, same for gig ticket costs, support underground music - whatever, I'm still not into the 'Robin Hood' approach here... >You guys (i've been in music 27 years, programming for 20) are just starting >to feel the burn that software programmers have been feeling forever. >People have been copying and distributing pirated copies of software since >it was possible to duplicate. Does this mean that software companies went >out of business? No! - it means they had to change their 1:1 product:money >ratio mentality. Now companies offer crippled versions of software (IE: >lower sample rates) Free trials of their software, that expire (not yet >implemented for music). And simply GIVING away the software, (MP3 Shoutcast >/ RADIO / etc.) knowing full well that 80% of the copies that are on the >market are going to be pirated, but the fact that their product is being >distributed, talked about, and wanted by those who are in the know means >that those who can't/won't copy/steal will get caught up in the frenzy and >BUY a copy. These companies SUBSIST on the other 20% of the populace who >buy the product, causing income to actually be generated by a pirate >distribution methodology. These are the companies that will survive in the >future. And what seems to have happened is that a few corporate clients who pay full price for licenced software are keeping those companies in business, but also keeping the price of software way high, due to the piracy, making it near impossible for anyone to be 'honest' in their purchasing of software, unless they are making a shit-load from using it. I don't have any sequencing software, cos I can't afford it and really don't want to use it unlicenced... >Nothing is stacked against anybody.. The biggest hurdle in any artistic race >is to be the one with the biggest audience, right? The bigger the audience, >the bigger the revenue - no matter WHAT. If you get caught thinking that >the only way to survive is to sell each and every CD you press for $10.00, >then you've lost the game already. Giving away art is the best way to get >it heard. Once you're heard, you're known. Once you're known, you're >gigging. Once you're gigging, you're generating REAL revenue based on REAL >effort, not a snapshot of art (CD's), which is always pale in comparison to >the true stage of the artform. Except that for a small time solo artist, each and every CD sale is crucial to keeping going. I'm about to press up a live CD - the difference between 700 and a 1000 sales is big in terms of my financial commitment. If, as was the case for cassette copies (supposedly) in the 80s, 2 copies are made for every one sold, then I'm gonna be working to a much smaller budget with regards to pressing, artwork etc. Now whether or not that copying will eventually do me good is not the only issue. I'm still in the position of a load of people taking my music, without asking, reaping the benefits of my hours and hours of labour, or practice etc... I know so many great musicians who aren't making a living and due to time constraints aren't reaching their potential as musicians - it's really sad. >Now imagine that your MP3's are distributed (pirated) across the world, and >millions of people (who you think unfortunate because they didn't pay for >the initial recording) liked your work. Now some of these people WILL pay >to go see your gig. WILL pay to buy your t-shirts.. WILL pay to get a copy >of the limited edition release with your signiature, and have a much higher >probability of BUYING your next CD to own a real copy etc etc etc... Imagine that your initial scenario of low res MP3s/RA files are distributed, by you - maybe you'd sell more 'real' copies, have a few less MP3 copies being used in replacement to CD purchases. It's not the technology I'm objecting to in some luddite way, I just think that if someone wants to benefit from my music, then it seems sensible that I should be reimbursed for that, hopefully allowing me to invest more in the next project, making it better, giving me more chances to market it etc. etc... >We can't allow ourselves to be boxed in by the feeding frenzy of the modern >capitalist world. We must allow music to flow freely, and as the artist who >is creating these ever changing realms of music and altering the mood and >minds of the listeners - we must not throw spite at those who can't afford >to buy. We must focus on those who CAN. But it's not even an issue of those who 'can't' afford to buy anymore, that's never really been the issue here - we are talking about computer owners for a start, which puts you into a certain demographic, and those who have the time on line... largely students, who have access to CD libraries anyway (hey, they could make CD copies, or MDs or whatever - the difference that that technology was not developed solely for the purpose of distributing illegal copies of music - I wonder what percentage of Napster traffic is 'legal' in any sense of the word...) And as for those of you who have bought CDs after hearing the MP3 - you're artists, of course you're far more likely to do that. Everyone I've ever met who objects in anyway to home-taping has been a musician, or closely related to one - as a breed we tend to be slightly more caring about such things. We are not the norm on this one... Steve From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 26 17:42:30 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA12655; Wed, 26 Apr 2000 17:42:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 17:42:30 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <005801bfafc8$6f3668e0$bd310140@concentric.net> From: "Larry Tremblay" To: , References: <20000426202546.52847.qmail@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: Free Music Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 17:43:16 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"gJtx_3.0.4_2.z7s1v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13947 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > The only caveat is, how is anyone going to make money distributing music > with this technology? *scratches head* Is that really the point? Eventually either a pay-as-you-go micropayment system or some kind of encryption method may come along for commercial releases. But even that is doubtful. But like you said, is that really the point of (recorded) music? Music is a commodity and once a product becomes commodified it becomes so wide spread that it no longer makes sense to pay exhorbitant prices for it. High Tech and software is the perfect example of this process, for instance RAM memory: IBM in 1975: "There's maybe a market for 4000 computers out there." Gates in 1984: "Who would ever want or need more than 64K of memory?" (Unnamed defunct company, 1994): "The Internet is a FAD...like hoola-hoops." The point is, no one *knows* where this is going. Just that it's no longer not going to be more of the same and business as usual. - Larry T ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael LaMeyer" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2000 4:25 PM Subject: RE: Free Music > The old model: > > 1) Musician makes music > > 2) Record company records music, makes record, promotes artist, distributes > music to stores > > = Record company controls music production and distribution > > The current model: > > 1)Musician makes music, *can* record music, *can* press master cd and pay > for duplication, *can* self promote, very hard and expensive to distribute > music on a large scale > > 2) Record company *usually* records music, *usually* arranges for media > duplication (same company or other), promotes artist (depending on who you > ask), controls wide spread distribution of music recordings to stores > > = technology has given artists more ability to produce quality sounding > recordings fairly cheaply (in comparison), the Internet has given some > artists more exposure outside of their communities (impact?), record > companies still control wide spread promotion and distribution (and take a > pretty good cut for the priviledge) > > What does the MP3 and Napster and it's ilk mean?: > > 1) Physical media will eventually become less prevalent, it's not as > convenient or portable. All-digital storage and distribution of music will > eventually become commonplace (it's harder for your kids to scratch RAM, and > high-bandwidth or wireless data networks will continue to grow). I don't > know when eventually is, but it sure is starting to look like soon. > > 2) Simple standards based distributed file sharing will allow ANYONE with > access to the internet to be a mass distributor, potentially. This alone > threatens the ability of anyone to generate revenue based on the current > model. This need not be centralized. It would be so easy to create online > communities (such as this!) with subscribers that share, trade, or sell > music to each other. Combine that fact with the ever increasing ability of > musicians to produce and encode all of their music themselves (or with a few > others) and you've blown the above two models out of the water. > > The only caveat is, how is anyone going to make money distributing music > with this technology? *scratches head* Is that really the point? > > Mike > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tiktok" > To: "Looper's Delight" > Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2000 1:43 PM > Subject: Free Music > > > >1) Everyone's for free music until it's their music they're not being > >*fairly* rewarded for. One's definition of "fair" varies according to the > >perception of how much money is being personally lost. > > > >2) The "music industry" is not a synonymous term for "musicians". > >So, statements such as "Napster is a boon to the music industry, just as > >home taping was" are probably not cause for musicians to rejoice. > >Musicians benefit when they feel transported by playing music. > >People who are also musicians can benefit when they get paid for their > >music, since the last time I checked there was no Napster equivalent for > >gassing up your tour van or buying recording gear. > >Making music at anything above the dilettante/hobbyist level requires a lot > >of money. > > > >3) The "rise of alternative music" was due to the Music Industry deciding > >to > >promote some Alternative bands, not to home taping. > > > > > >TH > > > >-- > >"For over half a century rock 'n' roll music has acted as a kind of > >umbrella > >under which the noblest elements of society have gathered. Today, the very > >word "rock" is a synonym for everything that's most decent, honorable and > >moderate in Western society. The model behavior of both its stars and fans > >is eclipsed only by the probity and rectitude of the men and women at the > >business end -- that corps of managers, accountants and recording companies > >whose transparent honesty and compassion have made the industry such a > >pleasant environment for musicians to work in." > > > >--John Perry, from a discussion of the Napster situation > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 26 17:55:24 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA14480; Wed, 26 Apr 2000 17:55:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 17:55:24 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: pvallad1@tampabay.rr.com Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000426173812.00f6d2f0@pop-server> X-Sender: pvallad1@pop-server X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 17:38:12 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: India In-Reply-To: References: <001301bfaed9$24406740$f4a765ce@uday.gw1.dot.net.in> <001301bfaed9$24406740$f4a765ce@uday.gw1.dot.net.in> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"zpc0Y3.0.gw2.36s1v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13946 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 02:16 AM 4/26/00 -0300, you wrote: >Uday said: > >>That was really cool ! Well, I am overwhelmed and gratified. Never knew that >>India and Indians are loved so much. > >Many of us learned from Indian philosphy / spiritual work in some way. Count me in. I study Indian vocals with students of Pandit Jasraj at the Pandit Jasraj Indian classical music school in Tampa, FL. My teachers at the school rotate, each teaching for several months, because all of them are touring professionals. Currently it is Suman Ghosh's turn. I am not a singer, but my desire to learn this music overcame my shyness over singing. It helps a lot that Suman-ji adjusts the "root note" of whatever raag we are working on to a range most comfortable for everyone - he just reaches over to his drone boxes and twists some knobs. After all, not all of us have a 4-octave range like Pandit-ji. :) I figure that after sufficient study, I can play this music on my cello or Stick. Paolo From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 26 17:50:06 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA13831; Wed, 26 Apr 2000 17:50:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 17:50:06 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 14:42:21 -0700 From: "sock s" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sent-Mail: off Reply-To: sop@n2mail.com X-Mailer: MailCity Service Subject: Re: Hex pickup...(Paradis?) X-Sender-Ip: 216.90.139.18 Organization: N2Mail (http://www.n2mail.com:80) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Language: en Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"ifSfs3.0.U83.sCs1v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13949 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com are there sound samples of Matthias's Paradis polystortion thing anywhere ? (or anything similar?) would realy like to hear it thnks What are you N2? Choose from 150 free e-mail addresses. http://www.n2mail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 26 17:54:54 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA14438; Wed, 26 Apr 2000 17:54:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 17:54:54 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "future perfect" To: Subject: RE: Free Music Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 17:56:15 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"uAELg1.0.uO3.cIs1v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13951 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Along the lines of providing free music at a lower quality- King Crimson has their entire new CD available for download, at reduced fidelity. Dave Eichenberger- guitars.loops.devices http://home1.gte.net/artmusic/dave From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 26 17:53:22 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA14298; Wed, 26 Apr 2000 17:53:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 17:53:22 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 16:47:56 -0500 From: "Ben Porter" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sent-Mail: off Reply-To: azrix@n2music.com X-Mailer: MailCity Service Subject: Re: Napster X-Sender-Ip: 146.229.222.59 Organization: N2Mail (http://www.n2mail.com:80) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Language: en Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"-QAio1.0.CN3.qHs1v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13950 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I don't really see how Napster is much different than software companies and their struggles with cranked software. Maybe I'm missing something, but I'm sure there are plenty of people out there, like me, who would like to have an actual hard copy (CDs) of the music. The difference is that CDs don't cost several hundred dollars a copy like software does. So, buying a CD is not as big of a deal as buying an actual copy of some software. Also, after reading all of the posts here on coding methods, MP3's (and most others?) use data compression and so it seems to me that no matter how good they are, they are not going to be the same fidelity as an original CD. Same with cassettes. They usually have horrible quality compared to the real thing but that never stopped anyone. And like the others have said, it helped sales of real copies of music rather than hurt it. The HIFI market is going to even higher fidelity with things like HDCDs which are 20 bit instead of 16 bit (not sure about sampling rate, 48kHz?). And there is all kinds of talk of even higher fidelity with things like audio DVDs and other things. We are talking 24+ bit and 88.2 or 96kHz and higher sampling rates. That is a lot of memory. I don't really see how MP3's and the like can compete with that kind of "quality". Napster does raise some interesting ideas about the future of stereo systems. Maybe in the not too distant future you can get into your car and pop in a Zip disk and listen to music you downloaded the night before. Just a thought. Ben Porter. What are you N2? Choose from 150 free e-mail addresses. http://www.n2mail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 26 18:21:39 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA17600; Wed, 26 Apr 2000 18:21:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 18:21:39 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Sender: crash@waste.org From: Todd Madson To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: GODS! THE GUILT IS KILLING MY BALOGNA! Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 16:40:31 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: <"Ukak1.0.zP3.wIs1v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13953 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Check out: www.paylars.com It's a real website and it's very funny. Keep subverting! Loop Onwards Dribblingly! -t From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 26 18:22:10 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA17645; Wed, 26 Apr 2000 18:22:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 18:22:10 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000426221623.22784.qmail@web207.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 15:16:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Stephen Subject: Re: Porn To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"AuTke.0.XC4.vgs1v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13955 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I hear Stuff-Pro is coming out soon. --- "Dennis W. Leas" wrote: > I used to use Stuff. Now I got More Stuff. ===== Stephen __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send online invitations with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 26 18:44:13 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA19852; Wed, 26 Apr 2000 18:44:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 18:44:13 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <00b601bfafd1$05a30a60$bd310140@concentric.net> From: "Larry Tremblay" To: References: Subject: Re: GODS! THE GUILT IS KILLING MY BALOGNA! Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 18:44:45 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"VBo5K2.0.An4.a1t1v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13958 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Satire is the sincerest form ridicule! Thanks Todd, - Larry T ----- Original Message ----- From: "Todd Madson" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2000 5:40 PM Subject: GODS! THE GUILT IS KILLING MY BALOGNA! > Check out: > > www.paylars.com > > It's a real website and it's very funny. > > Keep subverting! > > Loop Onwards Dribblingly! > > -t > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 26 18:40:23 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA19480; Wed, 26 Apr 2000 18:40:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 18:40:23 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhUAyRasG9OKFqpkiDNKDT1oeQC2+v4CFEXy/6mFq1QBBuO8ADjXT+rymfyh From: DanKoontz@webtv.net (Dan Koontz) Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 15:31:59 -0700 (PDT) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: open reel deck looping? Message-ID: <15919-39076E5F-1163@storefull-164.iap.bryant.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: "Bailey, Jim" 's message of Wed, 26 Apr 2000 14:05:45 -0400 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Resent-Message-ID: <"Bjxkg1.0.hc4.Yvs1v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13956 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com While we're still on te subject of analog sampling/splicing/sequencing, could anyone recommend any books or specific techniques to get started, I've wanted to explore this method for a long time, but can't find anyone nearby who knows anything about how to do it. I would greatly appreciate any advice. Thanks, - Dan From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 26 18:40:58 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA19567; Wed, 26 Apr 2000 18:40:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 18:40:58 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <016e01bfafd0$d078cfa0$6187abd4@h2v6p1> From: "luca" To: References: <000201bfafc9$81fd1f40$052cf7c2@abc.zetnet.co.uk> Subject: R: Napster (aka: The New Digital Realm) Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 00:42:27 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <"ggCxq2.0.5i4.Zzs1v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13957 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com My respects to Steve's sensibility. He is right when he says that what we are discussing here is discussed by a peculiar point of view. We all are musicians and we do ( in several different ways ) have a contact with music and the "thing" that carries it different from normal (not so poetic) people. I still don't know where on which side to stay, but this has no importance. One thing surprised me to know: the difference in the cost between writable CDs. CDRs (for computers) cost less than Audio CDs. I have been told this difference ( in Italy it is about 1/2 U.s. $ ) is a sort of tax that is payed to majors or whatever because it is clear that people uses the specific Audio Cd to duplicate music. Is this correct ? If yes, majors do protect their lost sells, and what about artists ? ...I know that a guy duplicated one of my cds, but nobody gave me any money from the Cd for Audio he had used... Luca. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 26 18:55:02 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA21242; Wed, 26 Apr 2000 18:55:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 18:55:02 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <39077276.C8D73EC9@virtulink.com> Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 18:49:26 -0400 From: David Beardsley Organization: SSI X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: India References: <001301bfaed9$24406740$f4a765ce@uday.gw1.dot.net.in> <001301bfaed9$24406740$f4a765ce@uday.gw1.dot.net.in> <3.0.6.32.20000426173812.00f6d2f0@pop-server> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"VO9GW3.0.K05.rBt1v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13959 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >Uday said: > > > >>That was really cool ! Well, I am overwhelmed and gratified. Never knew that > >>India and Indians are loved so much. I started singing lessons with La Monte Young (2x) last fall and a raga singing class with Michael Harrison (9x). My facination with Hindustani raga is in part connected with my interest in just intonation (microtonal tuning system). Plus the instruments are so unique as is the whole system of raga & taal. -- * D a v i d B e a r d s l e y * xouoxno@virtulink.com * * 49/32 R a d i o "all microtonal, all the time" * M E L A v i r t u a l d r e a m house monitor * * http://www.virtulink.com/immp/lookhere.htm From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 26 19:09:25 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA22546; Wed, 26 Apr 2000 19:09:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 19:09:25 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: partagas.dragonet.es: dinamic1-46.drago.net [195.76.196.46] didn't use HELO protocol Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.20000427010920.008355f0@mail.dragonet.es> X-Sender: d3055@mail.dragonet.es X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 01:09:20 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Ra=FCl?= Bonell =?iso-8859-1?Q?Tom=E0s?= Subject: Napster / Gnutella In-Reply-To: References: <200004262108.RAA08171@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by rosy.yourwebhost.com id TAA22085 Resent-Message-ID: <"AkJVL2.0.ZP5.XNt1v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13960 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 04:22 p.m. 26/04/00 -0500, you wrote: hi guys ! Check out also Gnutella, it's even vetter, not centralized ... :-) we are off topic and (shout it high) proud ! @ bye, R.Mutt //////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// ////////////////////////////////////////// D o c t o r S a x N e w s New CD-R Release ! Price: 3 EUROS (including packing & postage) or trading for a cd / tape of your music. http://www.dragonet.es/users/d3055/Doctor_Sax_News/ //////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// ///////////////////////////////////////// Raül Bonell Tomàs http://www.dragonet.es/users/d3055/slollnoirc //////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// ///////////////////////////////////////// From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 26 19:44:50 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA25621; Wed, 26 Apr 2000 19:44:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 19:44:50 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <39077D2C.4B55@ezworks.net> Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 19:35:14 -0400 From: Jeff Yost Reply-To: yostie@ezworks.net Organization: Zerone Audio Labs/DigiMete Arts/GigSwaP X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Napster References: <001001bfaf90$62bd7c80$702cf7c2@abc.zetnet.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"0Nyki1.0.p66.Drt1v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13961 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi All- As per Napster... I've been in the 'real' music world (you know, the one that tries to make a living in music...). I does not infringe on those young/new musicians that only want their material to be heard by anyone... It kills me as an artist who wishes to continue to make a living from the distribution of my work via the net. If napster helps musicians (who want to make a living)... Excuse me (PLEASE) I just got home from learning about music and had 103 messages waiting... Napster is a nice program that can eliminate musicians (Musicians that would enjoy spending the time that auto builders do on their work and still eat). Napster is on a par with any program that comes along takes your job away!!!!!! I better stop now. love, jeff steve lawson wrote: > > >>>A bit off topic, but I just got Napster from my friend and it is > spectacular!! Basically, Napster is a program which establishes a network > of mp3 users. Since everyone is sharing, you can get pretty much anything! > Completely free, no hassles, search by artist. It is simply amazing.<<< > > Hey, save yourself the bother - just break into people's houses and steal > their CDs - amounts to the same thing. > > If napster catches on, you can say goodbye to anyone making any money out of > recording music, and therefor having any money to invest in getting better.. > > thanks very much for hammering another nail into the coffin of the > collective careers of all the world's musicians. > > Steve From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 26 19:56:15 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA26745; Wed, 26 Apr 2000 19:56:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 19:56:15 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Crossedout@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 19:44:47 EDT Subject: Re: Porn To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 100 Resent-Message-ID: <"ExPTy3.0.JH6.M-t1v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13962 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 4/26/00 4:54:11 PM Central Daylight Time, dennis@mdbs.com writes: << More Stuff is available wherever you get Stuff! >> Unfortunately, More Stuff (tm) was just bought out by Microsoft, so now you can only get More Stuff (tm) through Microsoft-approved resellers, or from their website. But if you want a free, cracked, zipped copy, go to alt.binaries.warez.more-stuff. - Crossedout *are we being silly yet?* From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 26 20:55:48 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA32124; Wed, 26 Apr 2000 20:55:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 20:55:48 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 17:19:43 -0700 From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Looperplalooza, etc. (a next step) In-reply-to: <004201bfaf97$55962910$70310140@concentric.net> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <024001bfaf8d$d6e14400$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> Resent-Message-ID: <"h0a5Y3.0.cE7.-Zu1v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13963 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 8:51 AM -0700 4/26/00, Larry Tremblay wrote: >The next logical step might be to gather a list of >looper-friendly venues together, hopefully including >who to contact at the venue for bookings. > >Kim - >Perhaps we could host this "Venue Listing" on >Looper's Delight". I volunteer to create and update >the page. > I think this is a great idea! Feel free to put something together and send it in to me. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 26 21:35:00 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA04043; Wed, 26 Apr 2000 21:35:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 21:35:00 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <99.3fdaef9.2638ee69@aol.com> Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 21:14:17 EDT Subject: Re: Free Music To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 100 Resent-Message-ID: <"IumSk1.0.YU.KIv1v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13964 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 4/26/00 5:00:55 PM Mid-Atlantic Daylight Time, tiktok@sprintmail.com writes: << Making music at anything above the dilettante/hobbyist level requires a lot of money. >> really?.........michael From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 26 23:22:02 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA14945; Wed, 26 Apr 2000 23:22:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 23:22:02 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <02c801bfaff0$d3622660$928ee0d8@unit1> From: "Bill Dickson" To: Subject: Unsubscribe Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 19:29:14 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_02C3_01BFAFB5.B4EC7540" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"NJwuD2.0.1M2.NMw1v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13965 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_02C3_01BFAFB5.B4EC7540 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Unsubscribe ------=_NextPart_000_02C3_01BFAFB5.B4EC7540 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_02C3_01BFAFB5.B4EC7540-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 27 01:03:04 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA27378; Thu, 27 Apr 2000 01:03:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 01:03:04 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <010a01bfb004$1b160950$bd310140@concentric.net> From: "Larry Tremblay" To: References: <15919-39076E5F-1163@storefull-164.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Subject: Re: open reel deck looping? Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 00:50:25 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"mS_IR1.0.cJ6.ROy1v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13966 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com One of the definitive books to pick up is "Tape Music Composition"(1980), by David Keane. It's out of print but can be found online through various Out Of Print services. That's how I got mine. :) Try bookfinder.com and others. even Barnes and Noble has a good OOP section. The book covers the nuts and bolts of composition using reel-to-reel tape recorders, explains techniques of sound generation, recording, editing, splicing, sound manipulation, looping (of course) and setting up your own tape music studio. Good chapters on analog synths and musique concrete, too! I found it very refreshing to read a music-related book that did not mention digital synths, MIDI, or traditional composition. Highly recommended. - Larry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Koontz" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2000 6:31 PM Subject: RE: open reel deck looping? > While we're still on te subject of analog > sampling/splicing/sequencing, could anyone recommend any books or > specific techniques to get started, I've wanted to explore this method > for a long time, but can't find anyone nearby who knows anything about > how to do it. I would greatly appreciate any advice. > Thanks, - Dan > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 27 01:11:16 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA28358; Thu, 27 Apr 2000 01:11:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 01:11:16 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000427050127.6246.qmail@web108.yahoomail.com> Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 22:01:27 -0700 (PDT) From: John Tidwell Subject: Re: Porn To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"f46tT3.0.Ac6.hcy1v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13968 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Can anyone recommend a good shit/stuff converter? John --- "Dennis W. Leas" wrote: > I used to use Stuff. Now I got More Stuff. Not > only will More Stuff save stuff > and put it onto other stuff (being backward > compatible with Stuff) but More > Stuff will save more stuff than Stuff and put it on > to more stuff than Stuff! > Cool stuff, hey? > AND > More Stuff is available wherever you get Stuff! > That's right! ANY store will > sell you More Stuff! Just ask! "Can you sell me > More Stuff?" > > But I didn't know about pressing the little thing. > I've been turning the other > little thing on it instead. I'll try pressing it on > it. > > Glad to be of help! > > Dennis Leas > ----------------------------- > dennis@mdbs.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Sottilaro > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > > Date: Wednesday, April 26, 2000 4:05 PM > Subject: Re: Porn > > > >You're question is so vague I doubt that anyone > knows what the hell you're > >talking about, which is probably why no one will > answer your question, but I > >will give it a try. > > > >Stuff. Stuff will save stuff and put it on to > other stuff, but you've got to > >press on the little thing. > > > >I hope that helps. > > > >APerson7531@aol.com wrote: > > > >> What saves midi settings and machine patterns > exclusively and can organize > >> and save onto disks? Please tell me someone, > and don't think anyone else > >> will if you do know! I need to know, anyway hi > yall, all yall! > > > >-- > >Mark Sottilaro > >Professional Publications, Inc > >1250 Fifth Ave, Belmont CA 94002 > >Multimedia Production > >E-mail: msottilaro@ppi2pass.com > >Phone: (650) 593-9119 ext. 29 > > > > > ===== John Tidwell __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online and get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 27 01:30:18 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA30163; Thu, 27 Apr 2000 01:30:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 01:30:18 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <01da01bfb003$ebc4d8c0$0100007f@doutor> From: "juliomoreno" To: References: <001801bfaf8c$35bb1ac0$b8425b80@upenn.edu> Subject: Re: Napster Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 01:49:04 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_01D5_01BFAFEA.C467AC80" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.3825.400 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.3825.400 Resent-Message-ID: <"D-woF2.0.1O6.QSy1v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13967 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01D5_01BFAFEA.C467AC80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Check here info about the Napster war : = http://www.napster.com/press.html . I'm totally pro Napster. I found everything for study ... old songs, = diferent versions of the same song, dificult stuff to find here etcetc = ...=20 julio Original Message -----=20 From: David Petrozzi=20 To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2000 11:32 AM Subject: Napster A bit off topic, but I just got Napster from my friend and it is = spectacular!! Basically, Napster is a program which establishes a = network of mp3 users. Since everyone is sharing, you can get pretty = much anything! Completely free, no hassles, search by artist. It is = simply amazing. If anyone wants the program I'd be happy to send it over as an email = attachment. The install file is very small, about 644k. ~dp ____________________________ A disciplined mind brings happiness. ------=_NextPart_000_01D5_01BFAFEA.C467AC80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Check here info about the Napster = war  :=20 http://www.napster.com/press.h= tml
. I'm totally pro Napster. I found = everything for=20 study ... old songs, diferent versions of the same song, dificult stuff = to find=20 here etcetc ...
julio
 
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To: loopers-delight@annihilist= .com=20
Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2000 = 11:32=20 AM
Subject: Napster

A bit off topic, but I just got Napster from my friend and it is=20 spectacular!!  Basically, Napster is a program which establishes = a=20 network of mp3 users.  Since everyone is sharing, you can get = pretty much=20 anything!  Completely free, no hassles, search by artist.  = It is=20 simply amazing.
 
If anyone wants the program I'd be happy to send it over as an = email=20 attachment.  The install file is very small, about 644k.
 
~dp
 
 
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A disciplined mind brings=20 happiness.
------=_NextPart_000_01D5_01BFAFEA.C467AC80-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 27 01:54:36 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA32560; Thu, 27 Apr 2000 01:54:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 01:54:36 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000427052736.88133.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [209.6.183.91] Reply-To: m.lameyer@rcn.com From: "Michael LaMeyer" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: Unsubscribe *sigh* Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 01:27:36 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"T6h6f.0.bJ7.h_y1v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13969 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I took care of this one. Mike (doing the late shift, apparently) ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Dickson To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2000 10:29 PM Subject: Unsubscribe Unsubscribe ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 27 02:04:22 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA01101; Thu, 27 Apr 2000 02:04:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 02:04:22 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3907D5D1.713A@ezworks.net> Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 01:55:27 -0400 From: Jeff Yost Reply-To: yostie@ezworks.net Organization: Zerone Audio Labs/DigiMete Arts/GigSwaP X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Loopalooza-Gigs-etc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"fU5uQ3.0._w7.pNz1v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13970 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi gang- I went to onelist yesterday and set up a page/mail list for loopers who wish to post their gigs, post their acts booking information, and post their looper friendly venue information. There is a database for both performers and venues that all may contribute to: simply click on database on the left side of the main page, then click on the appropriate database (performer/venue) on the page you are taken to. Fill out information! You may also put your information into a form on the message page. To get the form click on the first message (1). copy form, fill out, post to the list. List main page is located here: http://www.onelist.com/group/loopgigs Check it out have fun jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 27 03:38:50 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA10001; Thu, 27 Apr 2000 03:38:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 03:38:50 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Apparently-From: Reply-To: From: "Javier Miranda V." To: Subject: RE: Napster Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 00:25:02 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <"tfbOy3.0.7N2.Wt-1v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13975 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I'd like it to be known that besides being posted at the Columbia University Web site (www.loopxchange.com), I offer the "Akapella" project pieces (to which I contributed) right from my computer whenever I log on to Napster. But nobody's even started to download one tune. Dave, if you've got some cool looping music, I'll be glad to offer you some space in my hard drive to offer it through Napster— if you wish. Or maybe you could do it yourself. Anybody else has any looping music on Napster? Send me your username today! | -----Original Message----- | From: Dave Onnen [mailto:skyeklad@skyeklad.com] | Sent: Wednesday 26 April 2000 2:22 PM | To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com | Subject: Napster | | | Would it be a problem to take this discussion offline? It seems | that every | music related list I am on has turned into the "Napster Arguement List" | lately. I am sure that there are plenty of discussion groups specific to | this subject. Personally, I am much more interested in looping and music | making techniques. | | just my 2 cents... | | ___________________________________________________________ | Dave Onnen | skyeklad@skyeklad.com | ___________________________________________________________ | | __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 27 03:26:50 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA08713; Thu, 27 Apr 2000 03:26:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 03:26:50 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Apparently-From: Reply-To: From: "Javier Miranda V." To: Subject: RE: Sampling copyrights Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 00:10:48 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20000426125925.007cfce0@panther.middlebury.edu> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <"env5m.0.z_1.-f-1v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13972 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I thought you could "quote" up to two bars of whatever it is, that beyond two bars you were infringing. | -----Original Message----- | From: murkie [mailto:murkie@panther.middlebury.edu] | Sent: Wednesday 26 April 2000 9:59 AM | To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com | Subject: Re: Sampling copyrights | | | At 10:57 AM 4/26/00 -0400, you wrote: | >Anyone know what the current fair use for samples is? Last I | knew it was | something | >like 2 seconds and under was acceptable and longer samples | than that needed | >credit/permission, etc. | | i've been told the "2 seconds" law is pretty much a myth. if it's | recognizable, it's stolen. tweak it so it sounds new and it's yours. | | m | | ===================================================================== | = = | = M a r k C h r i s t e n s e n = | = Cramped Quarters Studio / Jasperpottamus Music Publishing = | = internet: murkie@middlebury.edu = | = http://www.middlebury.edu/~mchriste/murkie.html = | = = | ===================================================================== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 27 03:30:11 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA09061; Thu, 27 Apr 2000 03:30:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 03:30:11 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 00:08:27 -0700 From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Loopalooza-Gigs-etc In-reply-to: <3907D5D1.713A@ezworks.net> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"f0Qr43.0.Mk1.EX-1v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13971 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 10:55 PM -0700 4/26/00, Jeff Yost wrote: >Hi gang- >I went to onelist yesterday and set up a page/mail list for loopers who >wish to post their gigs, post their acts booking information, and post >their looper friendly venue information. >There is a database for both performers and venues that all may >contribute to: simply click on database on the left side of the main >page, then click on the appropriate database (performer/venue) on the >page you are taken to. Fill out information! > >You may also put your information into a form on the message page. To >get the form click on the first message (1). copy form, fill out, post >to the list. I don't get it. why set up a competing list when you have one right here that serves the same purpose? Why not contribute something to our own community site at Looper's Delight and help it grow, rather than set up something different elsewhere? And why do it with a company that plasters ads in front of everybody, making money off of us while LD gets nothing? baffled, kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 27 03:45:38 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA11103; Thu, 27 Apr 2000 03:45:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 03:45:38 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Apparently-From: Reply-To: From: "Javier Miranda V." To: Subject: RE: Napster (aka: The New Digital Realm) Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 00:32:12 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <000201bfafc9$81fd1f40$052cf7c2@abc.zetnet.co.uk> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <"9je8x.0.va2.J--1v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13976 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com What are you talking about? Anybody can record to cassette an album (their own or borrowed) and pass it around to other people. Anybody can record stuff off the radio and makes copies of it. And this is all legal. Daily in New York City streets they take down these dudes with hundreds of illegally copied CDs for sale. Let's face it: If it sounds, it can be copied. You can't stop that. This is not the 40s or 50s when it was really hard to make copies of anything. The industry thought a certain way then. The problem is that they want to continue thinking that way. That's impossible. Paraphrasing Dylan: Get out of the way if you can't lend a hand. | -----Original Message----- | From: steve lawson [mailto:steve@steve-lawson.co.uk] | Sent: Wednesday 26 April 2000 2:36 PM | To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com | Subject: Re: Napster (aka: The New Digital Realm) | | it, and allows others who might have bought it thinking it was | good to hear | it first and change their minds and not waste the money. I'd get pretty | pissed off though if someone else took my album and converted it to MP3 | format and was distibuting it without asking me. If an artist | wants to give | their art away, that's cool, but if they don't, I think it's | bad news when | there's a program like Napster around that makes it possible | for anyone to | make that decision for them. Nothing to do with Record | companies, this is | about artists being in control of their own art, which under current | copyright law is still supposed to be the case (exploitative publishing | deals notwithstanding). __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 27 03:34:10 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA09487; Thu, 27 Apr 2000 03:34:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 03:34:10 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3907EC01.6A032307@clockworkgroup.no> Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 09:28:01 +0200 From: mark Organization: mogul.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Napster References: <001001bfaf90$62bd7c80$702cf7c2@abc.zetnet.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"9UpY11.0.cF2.Up-1v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13974 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >Hey, save yourself the bother - just break into people's houses and steal >their CDs - amounts to the same thing. er.. Can anyone tell me what a CD is? is it one of those old disk things my grandfather still uses? Do people actually PAY for them? Mark Red From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 27 03:55:01 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA12037; Thu, 27 Apr 2000 03:55:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 03:55:01 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3907F114.D83D1E87@clockworkgroup.no> Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 09:49:40 +0200 From: mark Organization: mogul.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Free Music References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"lC6ML.0.ru2.R7_1v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13978 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > oh my, maybe this is the end of the music industry as we know it. good, I dont like it, "as I know it" anyhow! From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 27 03:44:31 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA10797; Thu, 27 Apr 2000 03:44:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 03:44:31 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Apparently-From: Reply-To: From: "Javier Miranda V." To: Subject: RE: Napster Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 00:17:54 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20000426125742.007de210@panther.middlebury.edu> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <"HfhPX.0.VA2.lm-1v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13973 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I don't think that's very precise. Most MP3s out there in Napster sound like shit, and no MP3 at even 256 Kbps will ever sound like the original CD, and further, no CD could ever sound like a good vinyl pressing. So there. Further, many MP3s have cut-off endings, weird artifacts sometimes, and some are taken from old vinyl records. MP3s should be considered something like a little taste, not the whole meal. Well, I guess you had to be there. Breaking into a record store is way more than getting Napster MP3s, dude. | -----Original Message----- | From: murkie [mailto:murkie@panther.middlebury.edu] | Sent: Wednesday 26 April 2000 9:58 AM | To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com | Subject: Re: Napster | | | At 04:01 PM 4/26/00 +0100, you wrote: | >Hey, save yourself the bother - just break into people's | houses and steal | >their CDs - amounts to the same thing. | | actually, it would be more like breaking into your favourite | record store... | | only i don't think you can get many viruses breaking into | record stores. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 27 04:02:38 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA12961; Thu, 27 Apr 2000 04:02:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 04:02:38 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <000d01bfb01f$119d75f0$bd310140@concentric.net> From: "Larry Tremblay" To: References: Subject: Re: Loopalooza-Gigs-etc Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 04:03:25 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"UiPRP2.0.j23.nD_1v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13979 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I agree with Kim. LD is the best place for the gig info. Besides the fact that onelist is lame and intrusive as hell. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kim Flint" To: Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2000 3:08 AM Subject: Re: Loopalooza-Gigs-etc > At 10:55 PM -0700 4/26/00, Jeff Yost wrote: > >Hi gang- > >I went to onelist yesterday and set up a page/mail list for loopers who > >wish to post their gigs, post their acts booking information, and post > >their looper friendly venue information. > >There is a database for both performers and venues that all may > >contribute to: simply click on database on the left side of the main > >page, then click on the appropriate database (performer/venue) on the > >page you are taken to. Fill out information! > > > >You may also put your information into a form on the message page. To > >get the form click on the first message (1). copy form, fill out, post > >to the list. > > I don't get it. > > why set up a competing list when you have one right here that serves the > same purpose? > > Why not contribute something to our own community site at Looper's Delight > and help it grow, rather than set up something different elsewhere? > > And why do it with a company that plasters ads in front of everybody, > making money off of us while LD gets nothing? > > baffled, > kim > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html > http://www.annihilist.com/ | > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 27 03:53:50 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA11919; Thu, 27 Apr 2000 03:53:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 03:53:50 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Apparently-From: Reply-To: From: "Javier Miranda V." To: Subject: RE: Free Music Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 00:40:01 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <99.3fdaef9.2638ee69@aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <"baGtZ.0.kr2.m5_1v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13977 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I guess the type of music is up for grabs there. Michael, why don't we start a project on looping music made strictly with non-musical instruments? Wait, would that be considered above the dilettante/hobbyist level? Maybe he means to include all the marketing, the artwork, the travelling around, the gigs, the whores, etc. I guess that can get quite expensive. Frank Zappa wrote some good words about this in his book. He learned a lot from trying to tame that orchestra in England. That's right: When did you buy your last Zappa record? | -----Original Message----- | From: Nemoguitt@aol.com [mailto:Nemoguitt@aol.com] | Sent: Wednesday 26 April 2000 6:14 PM | To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com | Subject: Re: Free Music | | | In a message dated 4/26/00 5:00:55 PM Mid-Atlantic Daylight Time, | tiktok@sprintmail.com writes: | | << Making music at anything above the dilettante/hobbyist level | requires a lot | of money. >> | | really?.........michael __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 27 06:29:30 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA24691; Thu, 27 Apr 2000 06:29:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 06:29:30 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 06:10:18 -0400 (EDT) From: Stew Benedict To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Loopalooza-Gigs-etc In-Reply-To: <000d01bfb01f$119d75f0$bd310140@concentric.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"1BeXI.0.vf5.yA12v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13980 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I agree, leave them here too. E-groups is not that bad really, I host a list off of it, but better not to fracture our small community. Now if people would just stop bitching about every post! I don't know what's up in internet land, the fall of the tech-stocks or what, but it seems every list I'm on people have a burr up their a** the last couple of weeks. Can't we all just get along? Stew Benedict On Thu, 27 Apr 2000, Larry Tremblay wrote: > I agree with Kim. LD is the best place for the gig info. > Besides the fact that onelist is lame and intrusive as hell. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kim Flint" > To: > Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2000 3:08 AM > Subject: Re: Loopalooza-Gigs-etc > > > > At 10:55 PM -0700 4/26/00, Jeff Yost wrote: > > >Hi gang- > > >I went to onelist yesterday and set up a page/mail list for loopers who > > >wish to post their gigs, post their acts booking information, and post > > >their looper friendly venue information. > > >There is a database for both performers and venues that all may > > >contribute to: simply click on database on the left side of the main > > >page, then click on the appropriate database (performer/venue) on the > > >page you are taken to. Fill out information! > > > > > >You may also put your information into a form on the message page. To > > >get the form click on the first message (1). copy form, fill out, post > > >to the list. > > > > I don't get it. > > > > why set up a competing list when you have one right here that serves the > > same purpose? > > > > Why not contribute something to our own community site at Looper's Delight > > and help it grow, rather than set up something different elsewhere? > > > > And why do it with a company that plasters ads in front of everybody, > > making money off of us while LD gets nothing? > > > > baffled, > > kim > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > > kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html > > http://www.annihilist.com/ | > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 27 07:47:44 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA31186; Thu, 27 Apr 2000 07:47:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 07:47:44 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <39082769.8CABB442@ip23.net> Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 13:41:29 +0200 From: Sevo Stille Reply-To: sevo@ip23.net Organization: IP23 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en,de,en-US MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gnomesis@yahoo.com CC: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Sampling copyrights References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"hF-JK1.0.JT7.LU22v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13981 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com "Javier Miranda V." wrote: > > I thought you could "quote" up to two bars of whatever it is, that beyond > two bars you were infringing. Two bars of musical notes. Which is a topic entirely different from sampling. For sampling, there is no such thing as a established fair use limit for quotations, and there are regional differences. In Europe, you need permission from the license owner whenever a sample is recognizable and of artistic merit - mere drum loop samples often are not considered the latter in court, but the more popular and recognizable a sample is, the less likely it is legal. As a rule of thumb: No matter how short the sample may be, if people who do not have a musical background beyond mainstream radio recognize that it is sampled from something they know, you would probably lose in court - and if they can even name the artist or song title, you almost certainly will... Sevo -- Sevo Stille sevo@ip23.net From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 27 08:47:25 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA04457; Thu, 27 Apr 2000 08:47:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 08:47:25 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <390835DE.EE1D1DA9@ip23.net> Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 14:43:11 +0200 From: Sevo Stille Reply-To: sevo@ip23.net Organization: IP23 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en,de,en-US MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: R: Napster (aka: The New Digital Realm) References: <000201bfafc9$81fd1f40$052cf7c2@abc.zetnet.co.uk> <016e01bfafd0$d078cfa0$6187abd4@h2v6p1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"tOiXE2.0.vv.BO32v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13982 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com luca wrote: > CDRs (for computers) cost less than Audio CDs. > I have been told this difference ( in Italy it is about 1/2 U.s. $ ) is a > sort of tax that is payed to majors or whatever because it is clear that > people uses the specific Audio Cd to duplicate music. > Is this correct ? Yes and no. In the EU (or at least all countries that have already passed the recent set of EU bills into local law), there is a copyright fee both on Audio CDRs (i.e. CDRs recordable in consumer audio devices) and Data CDRs. The money is shared among all national copyright boards responsible, and is further shared among their membership by whatever general distribution scheme each one has. In Germany, that would be GEMA (publishers, composers) and GVL (musicians and producers) in the case of Audio CDR, and GEMA, GVL, VG Wort (writers) and VG Bild (graphic artists) for Data CDR. The software industry is still struggling to get into the picture. > If yes, majors do protect their lost sells, and what about artists ? At least the GEMA and GVL use sales and airplay statistics to build their distribution schemes - you get points for each of these events, and get a corresponding share of the total at the end of each billing period. > ...I know that a guy duplicated one of my cds, but nobody gave me any money > from the Cd for Audio he had used... How should they know what CD he had copied? Money from events that do not generate playlists (or where the value is too small to warrant collecting and evaluating data) is pooled and shared as explained above. The schemes are arguably unfair to artists catering for a special interest market, as their sales and airplay tend to be invisible to the GEMA data collectors, but OTOH, administering the whole thing at a level where it would observe microsales would be so expensive that they would get even less out of their membership. Sevo -- Sevo Stille sevo@ip23.net From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 27 10:12:04 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA13403; Thu, 27 Apr 2000 10:12:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 10:12:04 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000427140403.74151.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [130.228.110.208] From: "Fabrizio Mandolini" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: a democratic request Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 07:04:03 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"v_R8l1.0.P43.sZ42v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13983 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com dear kim flint, this is fabrizio and i really enjoy the fact that this community is so well linked together but, my e-mail box is getting bombed everyday by this mailing list ... i tried several times the "unsubscribe" thing and i'm still wasting my time everyday cleaning my e-mail box from these mails.. don't get me wrong man,it's great what you do but most of the times people is busy and so, am i... still,i've found looping, a philosophy that improves our live even in a spiritual way and that makes us lighter and faster while we are developing our vocabulary in music and life... ..let me take "la creme" out of this,please unsuscribe me.. best regards FABRIZIO MANDOLINI CIAO P.S. i hope this letter wont sound bitter to you because i'm not ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 27 10:30:17 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA15720; Thu, 27 Apr 2000 10:30:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 10:30:17 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <041a01bfb051$6c54ce80$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: Subject: OT: Audio CD-R vs. Data CD-R Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 09:03:53 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"MH71u2.0.OC3.pe42v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13984 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >luca wrote: > >> CDRs (for computers) cost less than Audio CDs. >> I have been told this difference ( in Italy it is about 1/2 U.s. $ ) is a >> sort of tax that is payed to majors or whatever because it is clear that >> people uses the specific Audio Cd to duplicate music. Audio CD-R vs. Data CD-R I've seen this several times. I don't understand why there's a difference. I can understand that a particular manufacturer might recommend using only particular branded CD-Rs for recording, but I think that has to do with the combination of dyes in the CD-R and recording technology (laser freq, intensity, etc). I don't think there any inherent difference between an audio CD-R and a data CD-R. Check out http://www.fadden.com/cdrfaq/ Dennis Leas ----------------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 27 11:15:12 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA20900; Thu, 27 Apr 2000 11:15:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 11:15:12 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Bizurko@aol.com Message-ID: <15.31459d6.2639b19b@aol.com> Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 11:07:07 EDT Subject: Re: Free Music To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 105 Resent-Message-ID: <"KQLcS2.0.Lx4.5V52v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13985 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Well said, Tiktok. I'd bet the people in this discussion who are trumpeting Napster, et al, are people who don't make their living as a musician, no disrespect intended. That is to say that your perspective always changes once you actually start to scale the mountain. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 27 11:20:09 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA21862; Thu, 27 Apr 2000 11:20:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 11:20:09 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <390835DE.EE1D1DA9@ip23.net> References: <000201bfafc9$81fd1f40$052cf7c2@abc.zetnet.co.uk> <016e01bfafd0$d078cfa0$6187abd4@h2v6p1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 08:19:40 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: rich Subject: audio/data CDR (The New Digital Realm) Resent-Message-ID: <"LcBdD3.0.s45.Eb52v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13986 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I recently bought a consumer level CDR (Pioneer 3cd changer on one side and the burner on the other). I bit the bullet and knew that the audio cd's are more expensive due to the money being shared amongst the powers that be. I found it interesting though, that a month ago i went a bought a 10pack of audio CDR's for $28, and a few days ago, i went to the same store and the same brand 10pack is now $22. Are the Audio CDR's going through the same price wars that the data CDR's are, despite the fact that there is some additional money being skimmed off the top? and i've even burned some loops, too, to be not completely OT. rich >luca wrote: > >> CDRs (for computers) cost less than Audio CDs. >> I have been told this difference ( in Italy it is about 1/2 U.s. $ ) is a >> sort of tax that is payed to majors or whatever because it is clear that >> people uses the specific Audio Cd to duplicate music. >> Is this correct ? > >Yes and no. In the EU (or at least all countries that have already >passed the recent set of EU bills into local law), there is a copyright >fee both on Audio CDRs (i.e. CDRs recordable in consumer audio devices) >and Data CDRs. The money is shared among all national copyright boards >responsible, and is further shared among their membership by whatever >general distribution scheme each one has. In Germany, that would be GEMA >(publishers, composers) and GVL (musicians and producers) in the case of >Audio CDR, and GEMA, GVL, VG Wort (writers) and VG Bild (graphic >artists) for Data CDR. The software industry is still struggling to get >into the picture. > >> If yes, majors do protect their lost sells, and what about artists ? > >At least the GEMA and GVL use sales and airplay statistics to build >their distribution schemes - you get points for each of these events, >and get a corresponding share of the total at the end of each billing >period. > >> ...I know that a guy duplicated one of my cds, but nobody gave me any money >> from the Cd for Audio he had used... > >How should they know what CD he had copied? Money from events that do >not generate playlists (or where the value is too small to warrant >collecting and evaluating data) is pooled and shared as explained above. >The schemes are arguably unfair to artists catering for a special >interest market, as their sales and airplay tend to be invisible to the >GEMA data collectors, but OTOH, administering the whole thing at a level >where it would observe microsales would be so expensive that they would >get even less out of their membership. > >Sevo > > > >-- >Sevo Stille >sevo@ip23.net From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 27 11:23:41 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA22288; Thu, 27 Apr 2000 11:23:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 11:23:41 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 08:18:40 -0700 From: "Mike Biffle" To: kflint@annihilist.com, Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Loopalooza-Gigs-etc Resent-Message-ID: <"Lpg0e1.0.uL5.hg52v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13987 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >>> Kim Flint 04/27 12:16 AM >>> At 10:55 PM -0700 4/26/00, Jeff Yost wrote: >Hi gang- I went to onelist yesterday and set up a page/mail list for loopers who wish to post their gigs, post their acts booking information, and post their looper friendly venue information. There is a database for both performers and venues that all may contribute to: simply click on database on the left side of the main page, then click on the appropriate database (performer/venue) on the page you are taken to. Fill out information! >You may also put your information into a form on the message page. To get the form click on the first message (1). copy form, fill out, post to the list. > I don't get it. why set up a competing list when you have one right here that serves the same purpose? Why not contribute something to our own community site at Looper's Delight and help it grow, rather than set up something different elsewhere? And why do it with a company that plasters ads in front of everybody, making money off of us while LD gets nothing? baffled, kim I second this opinion... I'd rather keep the flow of looping conversation right here... gigs included. Another page on the LD site for venues/booking is more preferable to me... I already have the extensive profiles section to browse among looping performer types. -Miko From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 27 11:42:47 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA24594; Thu, 27 Apr 2000 11:42:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 11:42:47 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <041a01bfb051$6c54ce80$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 10:46:45 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: traig Subject: Re: OT: Audio CD-R vs. Data CD-R Resent-Message-ID: <"Kp1JG.0.Go5.Vw52v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13988 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >>luca wrote: >> >>> CDRs (for computers) cost less than Audio CDs. >>> I have been told this difference ( in Italy it is about 1/2 U.s. $ ) is a >>> sort of tax that is payed to majors or whatever because it is clear that >>> people uses the specific Audio Cd to duplicate music. > >Audio CD-R vs. Data CD-R > >I've seen this several times. I don't understand why there's a difference. I >can understand that a particular manufacturer might recommend using only >particular branded CD-Rs for recording, but I think that has to do with the >combination of dyes in the CD-R and recording technology (laser freq, >intensity, >etc). > >I don't think there any inherent difference between an audio CD-R and a data >CD-R. Check out http://www.fadden.com/cdrfaq/ > well, there may not be any "inherent differences" but rest assured that a CD-R WILL NOT work in a CD-AUDIO only recorder. i have just discovered this the hard way - i am the audio production specialist for the university of notre dame and i was told point blank by a salesman that the unit i bought WOULD use normal cd-r's WRONG! so i now have to pay $1.50 more per cd for this unit to work - which is a substantial loss to my line of business. traig Traig Foltz Audio Production Specialist University of Notre Dame Office of Information Technology Office: (219)631 - 3752 Fax: (219) 631 - 8777 From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 27 13:09:42 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA01074; Thu, 27 Apr 2000 13:09:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 13:09:42 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000427170038.455.qmail@web106.yahoomail.com> Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 10:00:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Bret Subject: Re: OT: Audio CD-R vs. Data CD-R To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"bYVFp3.0.S-7.v872v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13989 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com The difference with the Audio (consumer) disc is that there is a flag written to the disk before you buy it. The consumer CD recorders require this flag to be present in order to record. The reason these discs cost more is that there is a Tariff included in the price of the audio cd. This was imposed by the RIAA, I believe, just as it was done with audio DAT tape. They collect money on these formats ASSUMING that you and I will be using this to copy copywritten material, and they want money for that. You can fake out a consumer CD recorder. This worked on the old phillips units, your mileage may vary. The trick involves first putting a consumer blank disc in the recorder. The flag is read, and it thinks it is ok to record. Then, pry the cd door open so that you can exchange the consumer disc with a cheap blank disk (but the cd recorder thinks the old disc is still there). It will allow recording on the cheaper media (if you were able to exchange the disk without it's knowledge). Obviously this is a cumbersome process, and it may have some shortfalls in quality. CD recorders burn test spots on disks in order to optimize the laser intensity appropriately for that particular disk. Using this exchange process, the test spots will be burned on the consumer disc, NOT the cheap disk, so that the laser settings will not be optimized for the cheap disk. --- traig wrote: > >>luca wrote: > >> > >>> CDRs (for computers) cost less than Audio CDs. > >>> I have been told this difference ( in Italy it > is about 1/2 U.s. $ ) is a > >>> sort of tax that is payed to majors or whatever > because it is clear that > >>> people uses the specific Audio Cd to duplicate > music. > > > >Audio CD-R vs. Data CD-R > > > >I've seen this several times. I don't understand > why there's a difference. I > >can understand that a particular manufacturer might > recommend using only > >particular branded CD-Rs for recording, but I think > that has to do with the > >combination of dyes in the CD-R and recording > technology (laser freq, > >intensity, > >etc). > > > >I don't think there any inherent difference between > an audio CD-R and a data > >CD-R. Check out http://www.fadden.com/cdrfaq/ > > > > > well, there may not be any "inherent differences" > but rest assured that a > CD-R WILL NOT work in a CD-AUDIO only recorder. i > have just discovered > this the hard way - i am the audio production > specialist for the university > of notre dame and i was told point blank by a > salesman that the unit i > bought WOULD use normal cd-r's WRONG! so i now have > to pay $1.50 more per > cd for this unit to work - which is a substantial > loss to my line of > business. > > traig > > Traig Foltz > Audio Production Specialist > University of Notre Dame > Office of Information Technology > Office: (219)631 - 3752 > Fax: (219) 631 - 8777 > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online and get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 27 13:38:56 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA04645; Thu, 27 Apr 2000 13:38:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 13:38:56 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: panix2.panix.com: tonobung owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 13:31:28 -0400 (EDT) From: "r. dennis" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Cc: kflint@annihilist.com Subject: posting gigs remedial-style In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"cM10S.0.kz.wb72v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13991 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com $.02 fr yall... i think that when it comes to announcing gigs & venues, more is better & proliferation the emblem all... but some of us (or perhaps just the one of me) who are limited to text-only internet access (ie this here unix shell account) would have no way to make use of a web-based "gigs page"... so i respectfully request that we consider a redundant-systems approach (as they (as they say at NASA). hope that's ok? rbrt On Thu, 27 Apr 2000, Mike Biffle wrote: > > > >>> Kim Flint 04/27 12:16 AM >>> > At 10:55 PM -0700 4/26/00, Jeff Yost wrote: > >Hi gang- I went to onelist yesterday and set up a page/mail list for > loopers who wish to post their gigs, post their acts booking > information, and post their looper friendly venue information. There > is a database for both performers and venues that all may contribute > to: simply click on database on the left side of the main page, then > click on the appropriate database (performer/venue) on the page you > are taken to. Fill out information! > > >You may also put your information into a form on the message page. > To get the form click on the first message (1). copy form, fill out, > post to the list. > > > I don't get it. why set up a competing list when you have one right > here that serves the same purpose? Why not contribute something to our > own community site at Looper's Delight and help it grow, rather than > set up something different elsewhere? And why do it with a company > that plasters ads in front of everybody, making money off of us while > LD gets nothing? baffled, kim > > I second this opinion... I'd rather keep the flow of looping > conversation right here... gigs included. Another page on the LD site > for venues/booking is more preferable to me... I already have the > extensive profiles section to browse among looping performer types. > > -Miko > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 27 13:45:33 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA05427; Thu, 27 Apr 2000 13:45:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 13:45:33 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000427172805.99928.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [205.155.29.8] From: "David Potter" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Hell-o! Roland Hand Socic Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 10:28:05 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"SjcZR2.0.as.5Z72v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13990 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I got a price on them at $925 now and $899 in a month or 2. Papa Dave >From: rich >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Subject: Re: Hell-o! Roland Hand Socic >Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 10:00:04 -0700 > >Yes, I saw this being demo'd at the LA NAMM show...fantastic! It wasn't >even fully implemented at the show either, some features were still >missing. They were suggesting $1200 msrp, however, which is a lot to pay. >However, i the hands of a capable hand drummer...lookout. My question >would be can you sync to a looper in real time? Could the drummer set a >sequence that would send a midi clock to the looper? And then if the >drummer cuts the sequence and plays in real time along with you, could the >HandSonic then record another sequence/loop and drop back in synch with the >looper? > >rich > > >http://www.rolandus.com/PRODUCTS/hardware/hpd15.htm > > > >Any heard this thing yet? Vdrum technology, built in sequencer, 15 (!) > >pads. looks mighty interesting... > > > ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 27 14:09:33 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA09051; Thu, 27 Apr 2000 14:09:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 14:09:33 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 11:04:24 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Chris Chovit Subject: Re: Loopalooza-Gigs-etc Resent-Message-ID: <"Kumku2.0.xp1.P082v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13993 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sounds like another opportunity for a cgi script...A bulletin board setup for posting gigs...It could be as simple as dropping a prebuilt script in there. It would be cool to link to the profiles, as well. I would be willing to create (or help to create) a script for this, if there is a consensus on a fairly SIMPLE design. - Chris >>>> Kim Flint 04/27 12:16 AM >>> >At 10:55 PM -0700 4/26/00, Jeff Yost wrote: >>Hi gang- I went to onelist yesterday and set up a page/mail list for >loopers who wish to post their gigs, post their acts booking >information, and post their looper friendly venue information. There >is a database for both performers and venues that all may contribute >to: simply click on database on the left side of the main page, then >click on the appropriate database (performer/venue) on the page you >are taken to. Fill out information! > >>You may also put your information into a form on the message page. >To get the form click on the first message (1). copy form, fill out, >post to the list. > >> I don't get it. why set up a competing list when you have one right >here that serves the same purpose? Why not contribute something to our >own community site at Looper's Delight and help it grow, rather than >set up something different elsewhere? And why do it with a company >that plasters ads in front of everybody, making money off of us while >LD gets nothing? baffled, kim > >I second this opinion... I'd rather keep the flow of looping >conversation right here... gigs included. Another page on the LD site >for venues/booking is more preferable to me... I already have the >extensive profiles section to browse among looping performer types. > >-Miko From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 27 14:13:17 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA09983; Thu, 27 Apr 2000 14:13:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 14:13:17 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <021501bfb074$486b7500$5a05020a@beelzejuice.mecasw.com> Reply-To: "Ken M" From: "Ken Melms" To: Subject: Re: posting gigs remedial-style Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 14:13:25 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 Resent-Message-ID: <"b09gi.0.Q62.P882v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13995 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Ever heard of "lynx" ?? It's a UNIX text-based browser.. Most unix systems either have it or you can find it easily.. Ken -----Original Message----- From: r. dennis To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Cc: kflint@annihilist.com Date: Thursday, April 27, 2000 2:07 PM Subject: posting gigs remedial-style > > >$.02 fr yall... > >i think that when it comes to announcing >gigs & venues, more is better & proliferation >the emblem all... > >but some of us (or perhaps just the one of me) >who are limited to text-only internet access (ie this >here unix shell account) would have >no way to make use of a web-based >"gigs page"... so i respectfully request >that we consider a redundant-systems approach (as they >(as they say at NASA). > >hope that's ok? > >rbrt > >On Thu, 27 Apr 2000, Mike Biffle wrote: > >> >> >> >>> Kim Flint 04/27 12:16 AM >>> >> At 10:55 PM -0700 4/26/00, Jeff Yost wrote: >> >Hi gang- I went to onelist yesterday and set up a page/mail list for >> loopers who wish to post their gigs, post their acts booking >> information, and post their looper friendly venue information. There >> is a database for both performers and venues that all may contribute >> to: simply click on database on the left side of the main page, then >> click on the appropriate database (performer/venue) on the page you >> are taken to. Fill out information! >> >> >You may also put your information into a form on the message page. >> To get the form click on the first message (1). copy form, fill out, >> post to the list. >> >> > I don't get it. why set up a competing list when you have one right >> here that serves the same purpose? Why not contribute something to our >> own community site at Looper's Delight and help it grow, rather than >> set up something different elsewhere? And why do it with a company >> that plasters ads in front of everybody, making money off of us while >> LD gets nothing? baffled, kim >> >> I second this opinion... I'd rather keep the flow of looping >> conversation right here... gigs included. Another page on the LD site >> for venues/booking is more preferable to me... I already have the >> extensive profiles section to browse among looping performer types. >> >> -Miko >> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 27 14:09:54 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA09119; Thu, 27 Apr 2000 14:09:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 14:09:54 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000427180427.29132.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [205.155.29.8] From: "David Potter" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Ins. Vid. :Lobby Gibson Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 11:04:27 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"osjvp3.0.py1.B582v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13994 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I think we ought to do it ourselves! Dave Torn said he would help with help from others ie Matthias and Kim. Ug waiting for Gibson again!!! Fight the realistic fight! Om and Out >From: jordanpease@webtv.net (Jordan Pease) >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com >Subject: Ins. Vid. :Lobby Gibson >Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 11:08:35 -0700 (PDT) > >For those who would like to take action on the 'EDP tutorial video' >issue; please write to Mike Ayers at mayers@gibson.com > >Fight the good fight. > ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 27 14:12:02 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA09804; Thu, 27 Apr 2000 14:12:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 14:12:02 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: Subject: RE: OT: Audio CD-R vs. Data CD-R Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 10:50:06 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <"75zSh.0.kY1.3s72v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13992 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is not the case. It depends on the CD player you are using. 'Gold' CD-R otherwise being refered to as 'Computer CDRs' will work in a cd player/recorder that is not too old and feeble. The quality of the CDR is also important. However, for best results, use a blue-green 'Audio CD-R'. They cost more. The compromise is silver cd-rs which are not so good for either type of reading, but do both equally well. I'd advise you to try more than one brand of cdr and see what works/is cheapest/gives you the best results. There's definitely a difference. bIz >>luca wrote: >> >>> CDRs (for computers) cost less than Audio CDs. >>> I have been told this difference ( in Italy it is about 1/2 U.s. $ ) is a >>> sort of tax that is payed to majors or whatever because it is clear that >>> people uses the specific Audio Cd to duplicate music. > >Audio CD-R vs. Data CD-R > >I've seen this several times. I don't understand why there's a difference. I >can understand that a particular manufacturer might recommend using only >particular branded CD-Rs for recording, but I think that has to do with the >combination of dyes in the CD-R and recording technology (laser freq, >intensity, >etc). > >I don't think there any inherent difference between an audio CD-R and a data >CD-R. Check out http://www.fadden.com/cdrfaq/ > well, there may not be any "inherent differences" but rest assured that a CD-R WILL NOT work in a CD-AUDIO only recorder. i have just discovered this the hard way - i am the audio production specialist for the university of notre dame and i was told point blank by a salesman that the unit i bought WOULD use normal cd-r's WRONG! so i now have to pay $1.50 more per cd for this unit to work - which is a substantial loss to my line of business. traig Traig Foltz Audio Production Specialist University of Notre Dame Office of Information Technology Office: (219)631 - 3752 Fax: (219) 631 - 8777 From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 27 14:31:50 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA12814; Thu, 27 Apr 2000 14:31:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 14:31:50 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000427182607.19000.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [205.155.29.8] From: "David Potter" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Napster Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 11:26:07 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"cSgxq.0.7r2.WP82v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13996 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Is there a napster site for you napster topic people? Sick of the subject! >From: "juliomoreno" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >To: >Subject: Re: Napster >Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 01:49:04 -0300 > >Check here info about the Napster war : http://www.napster.com/press.html >. I'm totally pro Napster. I found everything for study ... old songs, >diferent versions of the same song, dificult stuff to find here etcetc ... >julio > >Original Message ----- > From: David Petrozzi > To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com > Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2000 11:32 AM > Subject: Napster > > > A bit off topic, but I just got Napster from my friend and it is >spectacular!! Basically, Napster is a program which establishes a network >of mp3 users. Since everyone is sharing, you can get pretty much anything! > Completely free, no hassles, search by artist. It is simply amazing. > > If anyone wants the program I'd be happy to send it over as an email >attachment. The install file is very small, about 644k. > > ~dp > > > ____________________________ > A disciplined mind brings happiness. ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 27 14:36:10 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA13513; Thu, 27 Apr 2000 14:36:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 14:36:10 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <004501bfb077$6648b120$37310140@concentric.net> From: "Larry Tremblay" To: References: Subject: Re: Loopalooza-Gigs-etc Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 14:35:43 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"1DOhU2.0.d73.8U82v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13997 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Count me in too on the CGI and design aspect. It's what I do for work all day anyway. - Larry T ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Chovit" To: Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2000 2:04 PM Subject: Re: Loopalooza-Gigs-etc > Sounds like another opportunity for a cgi script...A bulletin board setup > for posting gigs...It could be as simple as dropping a prebuilt script in > there. It would be cool to link to the profiles, as well. I would be > willing to create (or help to create) a script for this, if there is a > consensus on a fairly SIMPLE design. > > - Chris > > > >>>> Kim Flint 04/27 12:16 AM >>> > >At 10:55 PM -0700 4/26/00, Jeff Yost wrote: > >>Hi gang- I went to onelist yesterday and set up a page/mail list for > >loopers who wish to post their gigs, post their acts booking > >information, and post their looper friendly venue information. There > >is a database for both performers and venues that all may contribute > >to: simply click on database on the left side of the main page, then > >click on the appropriate database (performer/venue) on the page you > >are taken to. Fill out information! > > > >>You may also put your information into a form on the message page. > >To get the form click on the first message (1). copy form, fill out, > >post to the list. > > > >> I don't get it. why set up a competing list when you have one right > >here that serves the same purpose? Why not contribute something to our > >own community site at Looper's Delight and help it grow, rather than > >set up something different elsewhere? And why do it with a company > >that plasters ads in front of everybody, making money off of us while > >LD gets nothing? baffled, kim > > > >I second this opinion... I'd rather keep the flow of looping > >conversation right here... gigs included. Another page on the LD site > >for venues/booking is more preferable to me... I already have the > >extensive profiles section to browse among looping performer types. > > > >-Miko > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 27 14:48:41 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA14767; Thu, 27 Apr 2000 14:48:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 14:48:41 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <39088789.D9BE110C@quik.com> Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 11:31:37 -0700 From: "Rev. Doubt-Goat" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Porn References: <17.4b39d67.26384b0c@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"CwXt-2.0.E93.aU82v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13998 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com 93 APerson7531@aol.com wrote: > > What saves midi settings and machine patterns exclusively and can organize > and save onto disks? Please tell me someone, and don't think anyone else > will if you do know! I need to know, anyway hi yall, all yall! Alesis used to make a box called the data-disk. I use my EPS because it does the same thing. 93 Rev. Doubt-Goat From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 27 15:55:33 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA21981; Thu, 27 Apr 2000 15:55:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 15:55:33 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <04be01bfb080$4589e270$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: Subject: Re: OT: Audio CD-R vs. Data CD-R Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 14:39:15 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"3-9fy3.0.I85.GZ92v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13999 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >The difference with the Audio (consumer) disc is that >there is a flag written to the disk before you buy it. > The consumer CD recorders require this flag to be >present in order to record. In that case, I'm just speculating that somewhere there's a shareware program that burns a such flag into a "data" CD-R, making it usable in an audio-only CD recorder. Dennis Leas ----------------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 27 17:54:25 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA02617; Thu, 27 Apr 2000 17:54:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 17:54:25 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <04d301bfb091$17e9fba0$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: Subject: Re: OT: Audio CD-R vs. Data CD-R Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 16:39:40 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"gxNCf.0.wS.DKB2v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14000 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >In that case, I'm just speculating that somewhere there's a shareware program >that burns a such flag into a "data" CD-R, making it usable in an audio-only CD >recorder. After this, I'll shut-up on this topic. My speculation is wrong. Reading this FAQ - http://www.fadden.com/cdrfaq/faq07.html#[7-1] answered my question. ------------- quotation follows --------------------- There is no difference in quality between consumer audio blanks and standard blanks from a given manufacturer. If you have a consumer audio CD recorder, you simply have no other choice. There is no way to "convert" a standard blank into a consumer audio blank. See section (5-12) for notes on how you can trick certain recorders into accepting standard blanks. ------------- end of quotation --------------------- Sorry for my previous mis-information... Dennis Leas ----------------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 27 18:31:02 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA05737; Thu, 27 Apr 2000 18:31:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 18:31:02 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <390878EC.5663BE50@texas.net> Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 17:29:19 +0000 From: Bobdog/Doghouse Audio Laboratory Reply-To: psbuddha@texas.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: GIG INFO WANTED Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Me9lu2.0.DF1.YxB2v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14001 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com hey all o' you west coasters - pseudo buddha http://www.pseudobuddha.com is thinking kinda seriously about doing some west coast gigging this summer: any contact names & numbers any of y'all may have would be extra nice. we have a very nice cheesy-ass promo pack we can send out... please email me OFF LIST psbuddha@texas.net or bobdog@pseudobuddha.com xxxooo bobdog From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 27 19:01:53 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA08071; Thu, 27 Apr 2000 19:01:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 19:01:53 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3908C2B6.EF8F23D7@ppi2pass.com> Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 15:44:07 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro Reply-To: msottilaro@ppi2pass.com Organization: PPI X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: OT: SF Electronic Music Fest References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"x_eEc3.0.vb1._BC2v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14002 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hey kids! Electronic music in our backyard! I'll be there for sure. for info go to http://sfemf.org/ see ya there! (it's things like this where Looper's teeshirts would be great to identify eachother) -- Mark Sottilaro Professional Publications, Inc 1250 Fifth Ave, Belmont CA 94002 Multimedia Production E-mail: msottilaro@ppi2pass.com Phone: (650) 593-9119 ext. 29 From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 27 19:58:03 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA12454; Thu, 27 Apr 2000 19:58:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 19:58:03 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <00db01bfb0a4$300ac300$70ae5cd1@-> From: "Bill Fox" To: Subject: Re: Sampling copyrights Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 19:56:19 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"RGYbH2.0.Ut2.wBD2v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14003 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com -----Original Message----- From: Kevin Cheli-Colando To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Wednesday, April 26, 2000 10:57 AM Subject: Sampling copyrights >Anyone know what the current fair use for samples is? Last I knew it was something >like 2 seconds and under was acceptable and longer samples than that needed >credit/permission, etc. I may be wrong, but my understanding is if somebody recognizes a sample and word gets back to the copyright owner, you're busted. Length [size ;-) ] does NOT matter! Depending upon the copyright owner's disposition, you may be ignored, praised, asked to pull you product or sued to within an inch of your life. Fair use only comes into play if your song is a parody. Please take what I write with however many grains of salt deemed appropriate since I am not a lawyer! Bill billfox@fast.net http://wdiyfm.org ============================================================ Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. Email me if you wish to submit music for airplay consideration. Visit http://www.crosswinds.net/~shadowplay for the ShadowPlay site. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 27 20:12:31 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA13770; Thu, 27 Apr 2000 20:12:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 20:12:31 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <006101bfb0a5$dda2f540$6787d8d4@default> From: "crix" To: References: <3908C2B6.EF8F23D7@ppi2pass.com> Subject: unsuscribe Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 02:08:10 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_005E_01BFB0B6.9A540FC0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Resent-Message-ID: <"0v-sH3.0.0G3.oQD2v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14004 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_005E_01BFB0B6.9A540FC0 Content-Type: text/plain; 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Thu, 27 Apr 2000 20:19:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 20:19:44 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <006b01bfb0a5$eb0f3cc0$6787d8d4@default> From: "crix" To: References: <3908C2B6.EF8F23D7@ppi2pass.com> Subject: unsubcribe Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 02:08:39 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0068_01BFB0B6.AB279E20" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Resent-Message-ID: <"FVixq3.0.eH3.bRD2v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14005 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0068_01BFB0B6.AB279E20 Content-Type: text/plain; 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Thu, 27 Apr 2000 20:52:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 20:52:10 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000427204639.007b48f0@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 20:46:39 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: unsuscribe In-Reply-To: <006101bfb0a5$dda2f540$6787d8d4@default> References: <3908C2B6.EF8F23D7@ppi2pass.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by rosy.yourwebhost.com id UAA17659 Resent-Message-ID: <"LabgS3.0.BK4.RxD2v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14009 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Uh-oh! Duck!!! (For instructions on how to unsuBscribe without becoming the target of laughter and derision, please see ... And here's a hint: pay particular attention to the email address you'll be sending your request to. It's not the same as the one you use to post to the list, so no one need know you're going home early from the party...) At 02:08 AM 4/28/00 +0200, you wrote: >ÿþ pls remove me from the list From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 27 20:25:45 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA15536; Thu, 27 Apr 2000 20:25:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 20:25:45 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000427202354.007ae380@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 20:23:54 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Cyberarts special in today's Boston Globe In-Reply-To: <390050F6.891F64E8@compuserve.com> References: <20000421040150.90836.qmail@hotmail.com> <38FFDB74.EA8DFC60@home.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"2MQM2.0.Sh3.6cD2v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14008 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This may be of interest to many of you: It links to a feature in today's Boston Globe Calendar magazine about performance art and the electronic music scene in Boston. There's a brief (although somewhat vague) description of looping, and a couple of LD listmembers are mentioned by name. (David Kirkdorffer and T.G. Noyes, probably others as well... Is Ross Hamlin a listmember? Click on the link to read about what he calls an "improvised vocal/body echo loop massage"; the article actually mentions how he loops with "sex toys".) Loop artist Maria Moran (aka Zipper Spy) is given a few paragraphs, as is/are the Boston Loopers Collective and the Toneburst Collective, whose site contains further info about the Boston loop scene. The part about Teresa Marrin Nakra's electronic conductor's jacket is cool, too. It's not really looping, but quite a few of you have expressed interest in alternate controllers, so check it out. Hey, why should Miko & Co. over in Santa Cruz get to have all the fun? We in the Northeast should have a Loopapalooza as well! Tim From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 27 21:11:44 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA21378; Thu, 27 Apr 2000 21:11:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 21:11:44 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <00ab01bfb0ac$bed81940$69310140@concentric.net> From: "Larry Tremblay" To: References: <3908C2B6.EF8F23D7@ppi2pass.com> <006101bfb0a5$dda2f540$6787d8d4@default> Subject: Re: unsuscribe Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 20:57:35 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"MyWRY1.0.BZ4.64E2v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14010 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Here's how to do it: Put unsubscribe (note the spelling) in the body and subject of the message and send it to: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Note the DIFFERENT ADDRESS. This is the key. - Larry (being helpful for some reason and not the least abusive) ----- Original Message ----- From: "crix" To: Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2000 8:08 PM Subject: unsuscribe pls remove me from the list From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 27 21:24:14 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA22947; Thu, 27 Apr 2000 21:24:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 21:24:14 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <00d401bfb0b0$3f4b37d0$69310140@concentric.net> From: "Larry Tremblay" To: References: <3908C2B6.EF8F23D7@ppi2pass.com> <007e01bfb0a6$264fffe0$6787d8d4@default> Subject: Re: unsubcribe Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 21:22:39 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"Xto1K1.0.rM5.cRE2v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14011 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I tried to be nice... Crix - READ the f*cking e-mail I sent you! ----- Original Message ----- From: "crix" To: Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2000 8:10 PM Subject: unsubcribe pls remove me from the list From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 27 22:09:26 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA27876; Thu, 27 Apr 2000 22:09:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 22:09:26 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <004d01bfb0b5$ff181240$43601840@computer> From: "Petr Dolak" To: Subject: Female Loopers? Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 22:03:03 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="x-user-defined" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: <"UwLa41.0.Na6.I5F2v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14012 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Just curious: over years of being on the LD list, I keep noticing that a total majority of people involved in looping are males, guessing according to names. I wonder if looping is the "guy thing"...? petr From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 27 22:51:03 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA32585; Thu, 27 Apr 2000 22:51:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 22:51:03 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Pedro Felix" To: Subject: Re: Female Loopers? Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 22:42:16 -0500 Message-ID: <01bfb0c3$bfaa8d00$08f24e0c@Wroswick.uvm.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="x-user-defined" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"zzVcf1.0.zl7.5kF2v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14015 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Petr, Actually my girlfriend is not only a looper she basically introduced me to the EDP. So they are definately out there! PedrOOrdeP >Just curious: over years of being on the LD list, I keep noticing that a >total majority of people involved in looping are males, guessing according >to names. I wonder if looping is the "guy thing"...? > >petr > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 27 22:33:24 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA30654; Thu, 27 Apr 2000 22:33:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 22:33:24 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Echophazer@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 22:29:00 EDT Subject: Re: Female Loopers? To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 26 Resent-Message-ID: <"qs7q_3.0.vO7.JUF2v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14013 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com what ever happened to those crazy looper chick dancers or whatever that i read about in a post a while back? From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 27 23:03:56 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA01325; Thu, 27 Apr 2000 23:03:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 23:03:56 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000427224445.00962b20@192.168.0.1> X-Sender: floyd@192.168.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 22:45:29 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Floyd Miller Subject: Re: Female Loopers? In-Reply-To: <004d01bfb0b5$ff181240$43601840@computer> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"uRAJx3.0.Ij7.-iF2v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14014 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 10:03 PM 4/27/00 -0400, pepetr@crnet.net wrote: >Just curious: over years of being on the LD list, I keep noticing that a >total majority of people involved in looping are males, guessing according >to names. I wonder if looping is the "guy thing"...? No, I don't think so. But subscribing to mailing lists is. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 27 23:36:35 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA04577; Thu, 27 Apr 2000 23:36:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 23:36:35 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Apparently-From: Reply-To: From: "Javier Miranda V." To: Subject: RE: Free Music Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 20:11:14 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <15.31459d6.2639b19b@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: <"ZwBC31.0.5t.lMG2v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14016 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Well, there's a lot to be said about that. Countless artists are very big and in favor of MP3. Jimmy Page and the Crows just released that live album in MP3. There are many sites where big-time musicians give away a tune. A couple of bands have expressed their high regard for Napster. I keep hearing stories of small-time bands who start getting sales because of word-of-mouth in the Internet-- even through Napster. The difference here that I suspect you're not seeing is that the "establishment" that is complaining now is the one entrenched in their exploitative ways since after World War II. Make their living as musicians? Do some reading about how many musicians have lost everything because of corrupt business practices in our beloved "record industry." Read some of the articles Fripp points to in his liner notes. Track down some of the material Bonnie Raitt talks about when she talks about her foundation. We all hear about the brilliant impossible stories, the Beatles, Pink Floyd, the limos, the excess. We seldom hear about the rest of the musicians who end up selling their lives and their livelihoods to some fucker with a big contract (who by the way has a hot seat in hell waiting for him/her). Bottom line, hopefully some of the awful business practices of the record industry will die thanks to new technologies such as Napster and MP3. There are SmartCards, really tiny hard drives, there's going to be a lot more bandwidth down the line... We ain't seen nothing yet. Those that do not adapt will be left by the wayside. The crooks can see their demise further down the road. But the musicians, the good ones, the artists, these will remain. In the 30s a generation of musicians were left virtually jobless when the "talkies" took over their jobs in the theaters. They were no longer needed to provide the sound for a movie. Then there were "motion pictures." Well, now there's MP3, and MP6 is around the corner. WMA (or whatever it's called) is getting more and more implemented. How we think of how money was made in the 60s and 70s in the music world may be good enough; but new ways will need to be developed if we want to pretend to "make a living" at making music in the new millennium-- which by the way begins next January (pass the word). JMV | -----Original Message----- | From: Bizurko@aol.com [mailto:Bizurko@aol.com] | Sent: Thursday 27 April 2000 8:07 AM | To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com | Subject: Re: Free Music | | | Well said, Tiktok. I'd bet the people in this discussion who | are trumpeting | Napster, et al, are people who don't make their living as a | musician, no | disrespect intended. That is to say that your perspective | always changes | once you actually start to scale the mountain. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 27 23:54:05 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA05870; Thu, 27 Apr 2000 23:54:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 23:54:05 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <00f101bfb0c4$e6e04800$ecc2fec8@doutor> From: "juliomoreno" To: References: <20000427182607.19000.qmail@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: Napster Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 00:50:26 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.3825.400 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.3825.400 Resent-Message-ID: <"cKAt21.0.uN1.QhG2v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14017 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Relax David ...for the people ''far away'' from the battle, it's good to know the opinions from the people whom live in ''first world'' countrys ... julio, from the third world. Pd: My teaching, if that is the word you want to use, has no copyright. You are free to reproduce,distribute, interpret, misinterpret, distort, garble, do what you like, even claim authorship, without my consent or the permission of anybody. U.G. Krishnamurti. ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Potter" To: Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2000 3:26 PM Subject: Re: Napster > Is there a napster site for you napster topic people? Sick of the subject! > > > >From: "juliomoreno" > >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > >To: > >Subject: Re: Napster > >Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 01:49:04 -0300 > > > >Check here info about the Napster war : http://www.napster.com/press.html > >. I'm totally pro Napster. I found everything for study ... old songs, > >diferent versions of the same song, dificult stuff to find here etcetc ... > >julio > > > >Original Message ----- > > From: David Petrozzi > > To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com > > Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2000 11:32 AM > > Subject: Napster > > > > > > A bit off topic, but I just got Napster from my friend and it is > >spectacular!! Basically, Napster is a program which establishes a network > >of mp3 users. Since everyone is sharing, you can get pretty much anything! > > Completely free, no hassles, search by artist. It is simply amazing. > > > > If anyone wants the program I'd be happy to send it over as an email > >attachment. The install file is very small, about 644k. > > > > ~dp > > > > > > ____________________________ > > A disciplined mind brings happiness. > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 28 01:25:03 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA16838; Fri, 28 Apr 2000 01:25:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 01:25:03 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "future perfect" To: Subject: RE: Napster (looping content) Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 01:28:22 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <00f101bfb0c4$e6e04800$ecc2fec8@doutor> Resent-Message-ID: <"LnrO92.0.L34.N0I2v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14018 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In order to turn this around to a post with looping content, how 'bout this: Loopers USE Napster as a tool to trade mp3s of our list members. It works like this: You record an mp3, name it something with the word 'Loop' in it like "JungleCorn(Loop)-Dave Eichenberger.mp3" (ya do this so we can search by the word 'loop'), this way we can easily hear *new* music by our list members. Maybe even chat with our members in real-time..who knows. Would something like this work? Dave Eichenberger- guitars.loops.devices http://home1.gte.net/artmusic/dave From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 28 01:46:02 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA18707; Fri, 28 Apr 2000 01:46:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 01:46:02 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: Subject: RE: Female Loopers? Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 22:45:13 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20000427224445.00962b20@192.168.0.1> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Resent-Message-ID: <"ySNoa1.0.mV4.LKI2v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14020 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 10:03 PM 4/27/00 -0400, pepetr@crnet.net wrote: >>Just curious: over years of being on the LD list, I keep noticing that a >>total majority of people involved in looping are males, guessing according >>to names. I wonder if looping is the "guy thing"...? > >No, I don't think so. But subscribing to mailing lists is. > Insofar as a) It is about creating music, unfortunately a predominantly guy thing. b) It involves using and maintaining boxes of electrical equipment with lots of wires and blinking lights, definitely not a girl thing. I would say that looping is about as guy thing as you can get and still be musical. Somebody please point out where I'm wrong, and in the direction of the island where all the looping women are. bIz From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 28 01:51:30 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA19509; Fri, 28 Apr 2000 01:51:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 01:51:30 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhUAn9X51UCky4FmhfjyJbABvc2xgfkCFAckOIrOUBnr7kS+OXb0wXyHD8B9 From: jordanpease@webtv.net (Jordan Pease) Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 22:36:07 -0700 (PDT) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: EDP Tutorial Video Message-ID: <2373-39092347-3622@storefull-112.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Resent-Message-ID: <"rwk0r3.0.4N4.BDI2v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14019 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com LOOPLOOPLOOPLOOPLOOPLOOPLOOPLOOPLOOPLOOPLOOPLOOPLOOPLO I'm kinda surprised that there hasn't been more discussion about this idea. I agree that waiting for Gibson to produce a video may be a bit... excruciating. I'm really curious what Kim has to say about this idea. If LD can produce compilation CDs- Why not a tutorial video ? I would think there would be a real interest in buying it. I doubt that anyone on this list knows all there is to know about this 'art-form' called looping. What if people just sent-in their own submissions and someone edited and compiled them ? That would be a start ! Come-on you guys: this list is supposed to be about stuff like THIS ! Let's make it happen ! LOOPLOOPLOOPLOOPLOOPLOOPLOOPLOOPLOOPLOOPLOOPLOOPLOOP [ever tried typing 'loop' over and over ? it's kind of fun; try it!]LOOPLOOPLOOP From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 28 02:43:09 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA24424; Fri, 28 Apr 2000 02:43:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 02:43:09 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <015b01bfb0dc$6a0b91a0$ecc2fec8@doutor> From: "juliomoreno" To: References: Subject: Re: Female Loopers? Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 03:38:41 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.3825.400 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.3825.400 Resent-Message-ID: <"wDmTw1.0.Mv5.F9J2v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14021 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > b) It involves using and maintaining boxes of electrical equipment with > lots of wires and blinking lights, definitely not a girl thing. What's about Madame Curie ??? > > I would say that looping is about as guy thing as you can get and still be > musical. Girls tend to ''loop'' topics in her chats .. : ) > > Somebody please point out where I'm wrong, and in the direction of the > island where all the looping women are. Take care ... and bring your credit card anyway ...a friend say me that only gays like men ....women like money .. : ) julio From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 28 02:45:16 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA24639; Fri, 28 Apr 2000 02:45:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 02:45:16 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <016301bfb0dc$ca762fa0$ecc2fec8@doutor> From: "juliomoreno" To: References: <2373-39092347-3622@storefull-112.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Subject: Re: EDP Tutorial Video Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 03:41:26 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.3825.400 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.3825.400 Resent-Message-ID: <"9h-Yj1.0.Gz5.nBJ2v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14022 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com LOOPLOOPLOOPLOOPLOOPLOOPLOOPLOOPLOOPLOOPLOOPLOOPLOOPLO LOOPLOOPLOOPLOOPLOOPLOOPLOOPLOOPLOOPLOOPLOOPLOOPLOOP > [ever tried typing 'loop' over and over ? it's kind of fun; try > it!]LOOPLOOPLOOP Remenbers me the bus in ''The Kool Aid Acid Test" book : ) From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 28 03:46:41 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA29179; Fri, 28 Apr 2000 03:46:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 03:46:41 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000428074347.22890.qmail@web109.yahoomail.com> Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 00:43:47 -0700 (PDT) From: John Tidwell Subject: Is it possible to sync Vortex to EDP? To: Loopers Delight MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"XT7nE1.0.r27.v4K2v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14023 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I came across some Vortex info in the Analogue Heaven archives that indicates that some of these folks were able to operate the tap tempo function of the Vortex from their sequencers and/or synths. I've tried running the EDP's midi out to a midi/cv converter & then connecting the converter's S-TRIG out to the Vortex tap tempo jack. I then recorded a 3 second loop on the EDP in hopes that the midi note message that the EDP sends at the start of the loop would operate the tap tempo of the Vortex. It did not. Out of curiosity, I disconnected the midi cable from the EDP & hooked it up to the midi out of a keyboard. Guess what? Every key on the keyboard now acted like the tap tempo foot switch of the Vortex! I've verified that the EDP is sending midi by hooking its midi out to the keyboard's midi in. I just thought it would be nice to have the EDP control the Vortex delay time as the EDP moved from one short loop to another. Can anyone fill in the blanks? It's really irritating me that I can't figure this out. Many thanks. John ===== John Tidwell __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online and get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 28 03:48:09 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA29335; Fri, 28 Apr 2000 03:48:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 03:48:09 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3908D1D3.1184@ojai.net> Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 00:48:34 +0100 From: Raymond Powers Reply-To: raypows@ojai.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-MACOS8 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Wanted: Lexicon JamMan Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"PlOzN.0.Q67.h6K2v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14024 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I'm looking for a used Lexicon JamMan with the 32 sec. sampling option. Does anyone have one available for sale? or know of someone? If so, what is the asking price? Thanks, Raymond Powers From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 28 05:09:33 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA03321; Fri, 28 Apr 2000 05:09:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 05:09:33 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <005601bfb0f1$0ec28820$c9996dcb@music> From: "Simon Kean" To: References: <004d01bfb0b5$ff181240$43601840@computer> Subject: Re: Female Loopers? Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 19:06:34 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="x-user-defined" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <"UoWO11.0.0g.wFL2v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14025 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com i'd be surprised if there aren't more female loopers out there......most of those I've been involved with, were great at being completely "loopy".... Simes ----- Original Message ----- From: Petr Dolak To: Sent: Friday, April 28, 2000 12:03 PM Subject: Female Loopers? > Just curious: over years of being on the LD list, I keep noticing that a > total majority of people involved in looping are males, guessing according > to names. I wonder if looping is the "guy thing"...? > > petr > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 28 05:32:47 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA04936; Fri, 28 Apr 2000 05:32:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 05:32:47 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 02:28:15 -0700 From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: EDP Tutorial Video In-reply-to: <2373-39092347-3622@storefull-112.iap.bryant.webtv.net> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"YQnsC3.0.I91.KeL2v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14027 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 10:36 PM -0700 4/27/00, Jordan Pease wrote: >LOOPLOOPLOOPLOOPLOOPLOOPLOOPLOOPLOOPLOOPLOOPLOOPLOOPLO >I'm kinda surprised that there hasn't been more discussion about this >idea. I agree that waiting for Gibson to produce a video may be a bit... >excruciating. > >I'm really curious what Kim has to say about this idea. I'm not sure why my opinion is so important, or why it's more important than what Matthias already said about it. But you asked, so here goes: Instructional video, great idea. We've wanted to do one for many years. But nobody has the time or the money. I don't know exactly how much it costs to produce something like that, but if somebody could please send me $25,000, I'll see to it that it gets done. :-) In addition to videos, I think it would be great if people wrote instructional books, taught classes at the community center, held seminars, gave private lessons, etc. There should be a loop teacher in the back room of every music store in the land, in the little room where the guitar teacher used to be. >If LD can produce compilation CDs- Why not a tutorial video ? I would >think there would be a real interest in buying it. I doubt that anyone >on this list knows all there is to know about this 'art-form' called >looping. What if people just sent-in their own submissions and someone >edited and compiled them ? That would be a start ! > > >Come-on you guys: this list is supposed to be about stuff like THIS ! >Let's make it happen ! go to it. every other instrument has a small cottage industry of educational materials surrounding it. Why not this one? kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 28 05:39:41 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA05373; Fri, 28 Apr 2000 05:39:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 05:39:41 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 02:17:09 -0700 From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Is it possible to sync Vortex to EDP? In-reply-to: <20000428074347.22890.qmail@web109.yahoomail.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"jqvDq1.0.qv.yTL2v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14026 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I have no idea why your midi/cv thing isn't working right with the echoplex's midi output, but I think maybe you can do this without midi at all. When sync=out, the echoplex sends out a pulse from the BeatSync jack in the back. The pulse is sent at the startpoint of the loop. Perhaps you could use this pulse to trigger the vortex tap tempo jack? I have no idea if it will work, but I'd be plenty interested in finding out! BTW, with the midi thing, did you try different midi channels? Does the cv thing care what the velocity is? Can it use cc instead? kim At 12:43 AM -0700 4/28/00, John Tidwell wrote: >I came across some Vortex info in the Analogue Heaven >archives that indicates that some of these folks were >able to operate the tap tempo function of the Vortex >from their sequencers and/or synths. > >I've tried running the EDP's midi out to a midi/cv >converter & then connecting the converter's S-TRIG >out to the Vortex tap tempo jack. I then recorded a >3 second loop on the EDP in hopes that the midi >note message that the EDP sends at the start of the >loop would operate the tap tempo of the Vortex. >It did not. > >Out of curiosity, I disconnected the midi cable >from the EDP & hooked it up to the midi out of a >keyboard. Guess what? Every key on the keyboard now >acted like the tap tempo foot switch of the Vortex! > >I've verified that the EDP is sending midi by hooking >its midi out to the keyboard's midi in. > >I just thought it would be nice to have the EDP >control the Vortex delay time as the EDP moved >from one short loop to another. > >Can anyone fill in the blanks? It's really irritating >me that I can't figure this out. > >Many thanks. > >John > >===== >John Tidwell > ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 28 06:16:12 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA08843; Fri, 28 Apr 2000 06:16:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 06:16:12 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 07:18:41 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: RE: OT: Audio CD-R vs. Data CD-R Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <"WbkUI1.0.U22.qGM2v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14028 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com thats amazing! I burnt many CDRs here for audio here and there always was a problem of getting a good enough quality, otherwhise SOME CDRs would not play in SOME CD players (beeing that in my simple SONY Diskman, they all worked) So yes, there are more apropriate technologies for Audio, but I never felt necessity to buy Audio labeled CDRs. Now you bring up two things I did not know about: - Traig and others say there is a flag that marks the Audio CD. So my Yamaha burner (connected to the Mac) ignores those? Or: What is a CD-AUDIO only recorder? - Bret saiz: >CD recorders burn test spots on disks in order to >optimize the laser intensity appropriately for that >particular disk. Using this exchange process, the >test spots will be burned on the consumer disc, NOT >the cheap disk, so that the laser settings will not be optimized for the cheap disk. What do you mean by cheap disk? Does this mean that in my recorder this optimizing process never happened? If so, I doubt its necessary. Can you give us some sources for those theories? I really want to learn all about it... Thank you Matthias ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 28 06:16:41 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA08879; Fri, 28 Apr 2000 06:16:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 06:16:41 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <38FCC960.F05D4CA3@vtx.ch> References: <38FCC960.F05D4CA3@vtx.ch> Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 07:18:41 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: EDP alternative to vol pedal [a DIY idea} Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <"87XSm1.0.l22.rGM2v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14029 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Claudes proposual: >With my pmc 10 I'm handling my edp's feedback through 5 switches on the >pmc's top row hm... smart... >those five switches send 5 different cc values that give me instant >feedback value inc/decrease presets dont you hear the sudden change of FB in the loop afterwards? >I really like the way it works but it takes 5 switches of the pmc only >for that > >Was thinking: > >how a bout a simple circuit that would replace the edp feedback >expression pedal what is so bad about it? >with a set of 5 switches that would emulate 5 fixed values >the 5 values would be preset with trim pots and the switches would >toggle through the values certainly possible, but once you start doing such effort, wouldnt it be smarter to use just two swiches: up/down ? >a 6th switch could repatch a real vol pedal for fades etc... > >If all this is possible I would drill holes on my edp footswitch to >implement those feedback preset switches 2-3 cm over the existing ones great >The main problem is I'm not an electronic engineer so I hav'nt a clue of >how and if this could be done Could be done with 2-3 CMOS ICs. There might even be a specific IC doing exactly this. They probably could be fed by the EDP through the switch line, since they use very little power. A perfect student exercise :-) ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 28 06:15:42 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA08773; Fri, 28 Apr 2000 06:15:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 06:15:42 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <42.484fa3b.2635f4e6@aol.com> References: <42.484fa3b.2635f4e6@aol.com> Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 07:18:41 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Thoughts after gettting gig mail Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <"pkEOz1.0.632.uGM2v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14030 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Peters point is nice and sincere: >Wow another person on the list is doing a show. It's too bad the venue is so >far. I'd love to see in person the approach they take to it. I could always >use some new input on how to set up for a live scenario. ::looks around at >gear:: I have all this cool stuff wired up around me and it sounds great when >I get it all going. Something is missing though. I know what it is. I've lost >that feeling of exploration. When I first bought each piece I'd play with it >for days straight, constantly finding those new ways it can call out aspects >of my personality in its sound. I buy more and more equipment now to try and >find that feeling again but each time the sensation is just a faded copy of >what it was before. All this time I've spent shut in and learning hasn't been >for nothing though. I just feel I have to move on to the next level soon, let >what I found interact with the world for once. I should go out and show >others who I am inside. Some people will like it and some won't. I could >find new people to share with and they can share with me. I could use some >friends. It's good to see that others out there are doing it. I'll try a >little harder at getting it all together. I can make it happen, I can do it. >I have to never give up finding new ways to believe in who i am. It's hard at >times but has anything bad ever came out of trying? > ... but I dont think you need to do gigs for this. The first step is to vistit friends with a tape of your latest music. No need to anounce it specially, just let it run. You hear it in a differnet ambience and with some people more or less paying atention, and you have time to observe how they react and how the conversation changes according to the music. The conclusion does not need to be clear in mind, the intuition grows automatically and makes you play differently. Then you record the next tape... dont overdo it though, my friends could not stand it any more at some point :-) I am using the same set of gear for 13 years now (just upgrading reverb and loop units). Its interesting... ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 28 07:19:42 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA13476; Fri, 28 Apr 2000 07:19:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 07:19:42 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <003301bfb11d$82099fe0$0101a8c0@pavilion> From: "Brian Mulvey" To: References: Subject: Re: Napster (looping content) Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 07:24:46 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <"pt4lE.0.EF3.zCN2v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14031 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Yeah, but watch out- you make accidentally download Cantaloop by US3, and no one deserves that. > In order to turn this around to a post with looping content, how 'bout this: > Loopers USE Napster as a tool to trade mp3s of our list members. It works > like this: > You record an mp3, name it something with the word 'Loop' in it like > "JungleCorn(Loop)-Dave Eichenberger.mp3" (ya do this so we can search by the > word 'loop'), this way we can easily hear *new* music by our list members. > Maybe even chat with our members in real-time..who knows. > Would something like this work? > > Dave Eichenberger- guitars.loops.devices > http://home1.gte.net/artmusic/dave > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 28 07:39:25 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA14911; Fri, 28 Apr 2000 07:39:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 07:39:25 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000428113405.53369.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [165.227.137.233] From: "David Potter" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Female Loopers? Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 04:34:05 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"zP1Bp3.0.-V3.GTN2v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14032 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Everyone knows you must have a penis to loop!!! > >Subject: Female Loopers? > > >Just curious: over years of being on the LD list, I keep noticing that a >total majority of people involved in looping are males, guessing according >to names. I wonder if looping is the "guy thing"...? > >petr Just kidding girls....love the female loopers...I'm the father of one Om and Out Papa Dave ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 28 07:43:13 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA15354; Fri, 28 Apr 2000 07:43:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 07:43:13 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000428113959.10616.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [165.227.137.233] From: "David Potter" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Napster Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 04:39:59 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"GCnuV1.0.Mg3.mYN2v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14033 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Am I free to not get napster posts? >My teaching, if that is the word you want to use, has no copyright. You are >free to reproduce,distribute, interpret, misinterpret, distort, garble, do >what you like, even claim authorship, without my consent or the permission . ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 28 08:15:28 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA18143; Fri, 28 Apr 2000 08:15:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 08:15:28 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <003101bfb10a$d57b9a60$6887d8d4@default> From: "crix" To: References: <015b01bfb0dc$6a0b91a0$ecc2fec8@doutor> Subject: R: Female Loopers? Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 14:11:06 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002E_01BFB11B.985369E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Resent-Message-ID: <"xv4wj3.0.9L4.q0O2v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14036 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002E_01BFB11B.985369E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable i've looping and playing synth for ages....sound engineering = now..cristina ppppppprrrrrrrrrrr ------=_NextPart_000_002E_01BFB11B.985369E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =FF=FE<=00!=00D=00O=00C=00T=00Y=00P=00E=00 =00H=00T=00M=00L=00 = =00P=00U=00B=00L=00I=00C=00 = =00"=00-=00/=00/=00W=003=00C=00/=00/=00D=00T=00D=00 =00H=00T=00M=00L=00 = =004=00.=000=00 = =00T=00r=00a=00n=00s=00i=00t=00i=00o=00n=00a=00l=00/=00/=00E=00N=00"=00>=00= =0D=00=0A= =00<=00H=00T=00M=00L=00>=00<=00H=00E=00A=00D=00>=00=0D=00=0A= =00<=00M=00E=00T=00A=00 = =00c=00o=00n=00t=00e=00n=00t=00=3D=00"=00t=00e=00x=00t=00/=00h=00t=00m=00= l=00;=00 = =00c=00h=00a=00r=00s=00e=00t=00=3D=00u=00n=00i=00c=00o=00d=00e=00"=00 = =00h=00t=00t=00p=00-=00e=00q=00u=00i=00v=00=3D=00C=00o=00n=00t=00e=00n=00= t=00-=00T=00y=00p=00e=00>=00=0D=00=0A= =00<=00M=00E=00T=00A=00 = =00c=00o=00n=00t=00e=00n=00t=00=3D=00"=00M=00S=00H=00T=00M=00L=00 = =005=00.=000=000=00.=002=000=001=004=00.=002=001=000=00"=00 = =00n=00a=00m=00e=00=3D=00G=00E=00N=00E=00R=00A=00T=00O=00R=00>=00=0D=00=0A= =00<=00S=00T=00Y=00L=00E=00>=00<=00/=00S=00T=00Y=00L=00E=00>=00=0D=00=0A= =00<=00/=00H=00E=00A=00D=00>=00=0D=00=0A= =00<=00B=00O=00D=00Y=00 = =00b=00g=00C=00o=00l=00o=00r=00=3D=00#=00f=00f=00f=00f=00f=00f=00>=00=0D=00=0A= =00<=00D=00I=00V=00>=00<=00F=00O=00N=00T=00 = =00s=00i=00z=00e=00=3D=002=00>=00i=00'=00v=00e=00 = =00l=00o=00o=00p=00i=00n=00g=00 =00a=00n=00d=00 = =00p=00l=00a=00y=00i=00n=00g=00 =00s=00y=00n=00t=00h=00 =00f=00o=00r=00 = =00a=00g=00e=00s=00.=00.=00.=00.=00s=00o=00u=00n=00d=00 = =00e=00n=00g=00i=00n=00e=00e=00r=00i=00n=00g=00 =00=0D=00=0A= =00n=00o=00w=00.=00.=00c=00r=00i=00s=00t=00i=00n=00a=00 = =00p=00p=00p=00p=00p=00p=00p=00r=00r=00r=00r=00r=00r=00r=00r=00r=00r=00r=00= <=00/=00F=00O=00N=00T=00>=00<=00/=00D=00I=00V=00>=00<=00/=00B=00O=00D=00Y= =00>=00<=00/=00H=00T=00M=00L=00>=00=0D=00=0A= =00 ------=_NextPart_000_002E_01BFB11B.985369E0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 28 08:27:16 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA19525; Fri, 28 Apr 2000 08:27:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 08:27:16 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <000901bfb10a$8fcf9ac0$6887d8d4@default> From: "crix" To: References: <004d01bfb0b5$ff181240$43601840@computer> <005601bfb0f1$0ec28820$c9996dcb@music> Subject: R: Female Loopers? Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 14:09:04 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0004_01BFB11B.4FCF9220" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Resent-Message-ID: <"6dOWk3.0.mI4._-N2v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14035 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BFB11B.4FCF9220 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="x-user-defined" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable i'm a she! ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BFB11B.4FCF9220 Content-Type: text/html; charset="x-user-defined" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =FF=FE<=00!=00D=00O=00C=00T=00Y=00P=00E=00 =00H=00T=00M=00L=00 = =00P=00U=00B=00L=00I=00C=00 = =00"=00-=00/=00/=00W=003=00C=00/=00/=00D=00T=00D=00 =00H=00T=00M=00L=00 = =004=00.=000=00 = =00T=00r=00a=00n=00s=00i=00t=00i=00o=00n=00a=00l=00/=00/=00E=00N=00"=00>=00= =0D=00=0A= =00<=00H=00T=00M=00L=00>=00<=00H=00E=00A=00D=00>=00=0D=00=0A= =00<=00M=00E=00T=00A=00 = =00c=00o=00n=00t=00e=00n=00t=00=3D=00"=00t=00e=00x=00t=00/=00h=00t=00m=00= l=00;=00 = =00c=00h=00a=00r=00s=00e=00t=00=3D=00u=00n=00i=00c=00o=00d=00e=00"=00 = =00h=00t=00t=00p=00-=00e=00q=00u=00i=00v=00=3D=00C=00o=00n=00t=00e=00n=00= t=00-=00T=00y=00p=00e=00>=00=0D=00=0A= =00<=00M=00E=00T=00A=00 = =00c=00o=00n=00t=00e=00n=00t=00=3D=00"=00M=00S=00H=00T=00M=00L=00 = =005=00.=000=000=00.=002=000=001=004=00.=002=001=000=00"=00 = =00n=00a=00m=00e=00=3D=00G=00E=00N=00E=00R=00A=00T=00O=00R=00>=00=0D=00=0A= =00<=00S=00T=00Y=00L=00E=00>=00<=00/=00S=00T=00Y=00L=00E=00>=00=0D=00=0A= =00<=00/=00H=00E=00A=00D=00>=00=0D=00=0A= =00<=00B=00O=00D=00Y=00 = =00b=00g=00C=00o=00l=00o=00r=00=3D=00#=00f=00f=00f=00f=00f=00f=00>=00=0D=00=0A= =00<=00D=00I=00V=00>=00<=00F=00O=00N=00T=00 = =00s=00i=00z=00e=00=3D=002=00>=00i=00'=00m=00 =00a=00 = =00s=00h=00e=00!=00<=00/=00F=00O=00N=00T=00>=00<=00/=00D=00I=00V=00>=00<=00= /=00B=00O=00D=00Y=00>=00<=00/=00H=00T=00M=00L=00>=00=0D=00=0A= =00 ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BFB11B.4FCF9220-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 28 08:03:54 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA17145; Fri, 28 Apr 2000 08:03:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 08:03:54 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000428115731.26629.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [165.227.137.233] From: "David Potter" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: EDP Tutorial Video Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 04:57:30 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"MRRae3.0.X24.CpN2v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14034 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I want one!!!! If I could ever get my #ucking EDP back from J.L. and Music Tec Services in North Hollywood. THEY HAVE HAD IT SINCE JAN!!!!!!!!!! I've forgotton if it way a neat tool or not. It was brand new and wouldn't keep the echo going!!! Now he's waiting for parts!!! Anyone else had bad luck with those people. I feel shined on by them!!! They won't even return phone calls!!! Om and bitch and Out Papa Dave >From: jordanpease@webtv.net (Jordan Pease) >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Subject: EDP Tutorial Video >Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 22:36:07 -0700 (PDT) > >LOOPLOOPLOOPLOOPLOOPLOOPLOOPLOOPLOOPLOOPLOOPLOOPLOOPLO >I'm kinda surprised that there hasn't been more discussion about this >idea. I agree that waiting for Gibson to produce a video may be a bit... >excruciating. > >I'm really curious what Kim has to say about this idea. > >If LD can produce compilation CDs- Why not a tutorial video ? I would >think there would be a real interest in buying it. I doubt that anyone >on this list knows all there is to know about this 'art-form' called >looping. What if people just sent-in their own submissions and someone >edited and compiled them ? That would be a start ! > >Come-on you guys: this list is supposed to be about stuff like THIS ! >Let's make it happen ! > >LOOPLOOPLOOPLOOPLOOPLOOPLOOPLOOPLOOPLOOPLOOPLOOPLOOP >[ever tried typing 'loop' over and over ? it's kind of fun; try >it!]LOOPLOOPLOOP > ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 28 08:35:39 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA20495; Fri, 28 Apr 2000 08:35:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 08:35:39 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Porp61@cs.com Message-ID: <6.537de54.263aded1@cs.com> Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 08:32:17 EDT Subject: Re: R: Female Loopers? To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: CompuServe 2000 32-bit sub 103 Resent-Message-ID: <"ZwUby1.0.gv4.rJO2v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14038 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 4/28/00 8:29:19 AM Eastern Daylight Time, mcrix@tin.it writes: << i'm a she! >> can you loop that too!! From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 28 08:28:09 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA19645; Fri, 28 Apr 2000 08:28:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 08:28:09 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Porp61@cs.com Message-ID: <9b.4429ee7.263adbbf@cs.com> Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 08:19:11 EDT Subject: Re: R: Female Loopers? To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: CompuServe 2000 32-bit sub 103 Resent-Message-ID: <"XnwJU1.0.hc4.a7O2v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14037 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 4/28/00 8:18:00 AM Eastern Daylight Time, mcrix@tin.it writes: << i've looping and playing synth for ages....sound engineering now..cristina ppppppprrrrrrrrrrr >> Can you loop that!!! From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 28 10:12:40 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA30604; Fri, 28 Apr 2000 10:12:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 10:12:40 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Echophazer@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 10:04:17 EDT Subject: Re: EDP Tutorial Video To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 26 Resent-Message-ID: <"QZMVG.0.FD7.5gP2v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14039 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Roland makes pretty good video manuals for many of it's products. This is a great way for a new user to jump into a device and begin accessing it's features. I buy the roland videos for my gear it's worth it. It also provides an excellent base to stand on when going deep into the recesses of their manuals. A FAQ section in the video would be awesome. I don't have an EDP but i would buy the video to see what it has to offer me. Everyone send them an e-mail please. peter From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 28 10:58:19 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA03136; Fri, 28 Apr 2000 10:58:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 10:58:19 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <057801bfb120$ac55fed0$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: Subject: Re: OT: Audio CD-R vs. Data CD-R Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 09:47:27 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"ca_8b.0.fd.gNQ2v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14040 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I guess I don't know when to shut-up... Check out http://www.fadden.com/cdrfaq/ . It has some really good information. >- Traig and others say there is a flag that marks the Audio CD. >So my Yamaha burner (connected to the Mac) ignores those? >Or: What is a CD-AUDIO only recorder? What I understand is that a CD-AUDIO only recorder (aka stand-alone recorder) accepts only audio inputs. They generally have superior ADC than common soundcards. They record only CD-AUDIO disks; you can't record data files. They come in two flavors, consumer and professional. The consumer version will record ONLY on special CD-AUDIO CD-R blanks. These CD-R's are specially marked, in a machine-readable fashion, so they can be distinguished from regular CD-Rs. Consequently, the blank CD-AUDIO CD-Rs cost more due to a tax. The quaility of the CD-AUDIO CD-Rs is no different than regular CD-Rs. The revenue from this tax is paid to the music industry because they have convinced law-makers that copyrighted material is being reproduced so they need to make up for lost income. Note that NO ARTIST receives any compensation, only the music industry. Also, when you duplicate your own songs on such CD-AUDIO CD-Rs, you are paying money to the music industry via the tax. (This is an industry that should be preserved??? Sounds like a bunch of thugs, to me.) CD-R recorders attached to computers do not have such restrictions. You don't have to use CD-AUDIO CD-R blanks. >What do you mean by cheap disk? >Does this mean that in my recorder this optimizing process never happened? >If so, I doubt its necessary. There is a "trick" you can use with certain CD-AUDIO only recorders to bypass the use of special CD-AUDIO CD-Rs. Load the recorder with a real CD-AUDIO CD-R. The recorder identifies the CD-R as OKed by the thugs, I mean generating revenue to the music industry, and permits you to continue. But before you actually start recording, you pry out the CD-AUDIO CD-R and replace it with a regular CD-R. Now you burn your stuff onto the lower-cost regular CD-R. It's lower cost because there isn't an added tax. However, since different manufactures use different dyes in their CD-Rs (which respond to the write laser differently), some recorders test the CD-R by burning test spots. Unfortunately, when using the "trick" above, the test spots are burnt onto the CD-AUDIO CD-R which may respond differently than the regular CD-R. >Can you give us some sources for those theories? I really want to >learn all about it... Here's a good page that includes a link to the FAQ above. http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~psyche/cdrom/index.html Hope this information helps. Dennis Leas ----------------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 28 11:11:45 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA04526; Fri, 28 Apr 2000 11:11:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 11:11:45 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 08:06:36 -0700 From: "Mike Biffle" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, tcn62@ici.net Subject: Re: Cyberarts special in today's Boston Globe Resent-Message-ID: <"19_C_2.0.l_.AbQ2v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14041 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > Hey, why should Miko & Co. over in Santa Cruz get to have all the fun? We in the Northeast should have a Loopapalooza as well! Tim Right now we're at 14 confirmed attendees! The rehearsal studio I rented is going to be packed! 8-) This should be some major fun... -miko From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 28 11:50:04 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA09590; Fri, 28 Apr 2000 11:50:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 11:50:04 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <002001bfb127$8e1f7390$5e310140@concentric.net> From: "Larry Tremblay" To: , References: <3908D1D3.1184@ojai.net> Subject: Re: Wanted: Lexicon JamMan Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 11:36:39 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"hhDUg2.0.Ro1.HyQ2v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14043 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com There are a few Jammmen on eBay as we 'speak'. - Larry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Raymond Powers" To: Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2000 7:48 PM Subject: Wanted: Lexicon JamMan > I'm looking for a used Lexicon JamMan with the 32 sec. sampling option. > Does anyone have one available for sale? or know of someone? If so, what > is the asking price? > Thanks, > Raymond Powers > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 28 12:02:25 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA11234; Fri, 28 Apr 2000 12:02:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 12:02:25 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <004801bfb12a$396f9520$5e310140@concentric.net> From: "Larry Tremblay" To: , References: Subject: Re: Cyberarts special in today's Boston Globe Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 11:55:47 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"lS1VK.0.MO2.DER2v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14045 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Miko - Did you send a press release to the local papers? This actually works, you know. Also, try contacting the 'city desk' person and talk to them personally. Sometimes your one-on-one enthusiasm for the event will motivate a major paper to send someone down. I've done this several times - and even made some friends at the paper this way, which makes it easier for the next event. :) Just be yourself. Good luck, - Larry T (who's had many past lives) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Biffle" To: ; Sent: Friday, April 28, 2000 11:06 AM Subject: Re: Cyberarts special in today's Boston Globe > > Hey, why should Miko & Co. over in Santa Cruz get to have all the > fun? We in the Northeast should have a Loopapalooza as well! Tim > > Right now we're at 14 confirmed attendees! The rehearsal studio I > rented is going to be packed! 8-) This should be some major fun... > > -miko > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 28 11:59:51 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA10894; Fri, 28 Apr 2000 11:59:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 11:59:51 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Jprice01@aol.com Message-Id: <200004281529.LAA06986@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Date: Fri Apr 28 11:29:10 2000 Subject: Re: Female Loopers? To: X-Mailer: Unknown sub 1 Resent-Message-ID: <"jgJoY3.0.Pj1.jvQ2v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14042 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I think there are not that many women who loop for very concurrent though specific and subtle reasons. the majority of loop work people will see & hear let alone the loop stuff folks actually are aware of is visually represented by men who are almost always overly analytical, gear driven as opposed to being inclusive feeling in texture and overall attractiveness ( be it physical attractiveness, social or frivilous, etc). Plus most loop music just feels like a guy thing with an anti-social or detached-intellectual guy perspective. And when i say anti social i mean in a way that is boring as opposed to invigorating or inspiring more than just others like themselves. Most loop music and musicians are always looking for affirmation amongst themselves and it always perpetuates itself. But how many times can you preach to he converted ? most loiop artists seem to be content preaching to the converted and remain in very familiar and very safe looping contexts: art galleries, coffee shops...not many loopers seem to me be playing to anyone other than their own. and to illustrate what i mean, look at this analogy which is quite obvious and may seem a bit like apples and pineapples to the die hard loop dudes but here goes: lillith fair compared to robert fripp soundscapes...two different crowds (i know) but they both conjure up clear and concise images of what their respective audiences will look like. which audience seems to attract more women ? I have yet to hear loop material other than AKASH ( but i'm in AKASH so that is a very subjective statement - GRIN! ) that is truly from a female perspective but AKASH is a mix of men and women. AKASH goes a little further than having feminine and femininist perspectives by using BDSM and Fetish oriented porn, total nudity, dancers, go-go and images of male sexuality and male agressiveness reversed to fit a very very free thinking but manufactured lifestyle agenda ( shameless plugs - i know )... and unquestionably, the look and the image and the nudity AKASH puts out there goes with the music and attracting an audience. but with AKASH we do a lot of spoken word/improv & we have seen a fairly even mix at our shows where guys and girls all are represented evenly. and we were surprised because we thought that we would turn off a lot of women and men with our blatent sexual content but the response to AKASH live is just the opposite. Most of our audience tends to be unmarried couples and Married couples who are 25-35, lesbians, gays and even those overly analytical types both boy and girl but they are typically mixed evenly in representation. most loopers & this one in particular are trying really to be exclusive from a process and process execution point of view to only include what is necessary to the music. but I think loop musicians unintentionally end up making a lot of loop music that is exclusive to the point that the final product is uninviting and narrow. i would vconstantly get that feedbk from the women a lot in the beginning of AKASH. Also, loop performances are usually executed in contexts/venues that are not where women tend to go and or be interested in having their musical experience. Loop shows are usually held in venues that are off the typical beaten musical path where women I mean the women who will actually go to shows will hang. Add to that the fact that music in general does not matter that much anymore as it did b4 and most music is taken for granted. Hard to say more than what i have why loop music is so male dominanted cause well...remeber this is a very subjective male opinion i have but it is based on observing and playing a lot of loop performances. I have seen women looping and i have seen women at loop shows but always in small numbers. trick is with anything you do whether it is r&b, jungle, drum n bass or trance or even gamelan music...to attract people in more proprotionate #'s both men and women not only do folks have to dig you but u gotta make them wanna be like you. even ol fripp does that...he does it very well. Now who other than those who have been introduced to loop music ( by a guide ), who familiar with the artists who loop & the different styles and variations that are in between loops would appeal to someone, a woman that is unfamiliar with loop oriented material..there are not that many folks IMHO in terms of loop musicians who are good good guides to propel the music forward someplace beyond where it seems to always stand. Not saying i am any better than others but i'm saying that the same faces always tend to play to the same faces in loop performances ( not a bad thing either ) ...just a recipee for the status quo to always remain in the loop heiarchy. Regards, JP From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 28 12:03:36 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA11401; Fri, 28 Apr 2000 12:03:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 12:03:36 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <002601bfb129$17d454b0$5e310140@concentric.net> From: "Larry Tremblay" To: References: Subject: Re: EDP Tutorial Video Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 11:47:42 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"TObC3.0.aB2.c6R2v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14044 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com RE: Video Tutorial With the proliferation of near-Pro quality video cameras today, especially the digital cams from Sony, an instructional video can be produced on the cheap easily. Independent filmmakers routinely produce shorts and whole movies for between $0 - $10,000 using scrounged equipment and talent. All you need at minimum is a cameraperson, soundperson and good lighting. A video of this type can be shot in someone's livingroom, studio, wherever you want. Script the instructional content very tightly, covering all the bases, and shoot it. Simple. The Point: THIS CAN BE DONE QUICKLY & CHEAPLY. - Larry T ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kim Flint" To: Sent: Friday, April 28, 2000 5:28 AM Subject: Re: EDP Tutorial Video > At 10:36 PM -0700 4/27/00, Jordan Pease wrote: > >LOOPLOOPLOOPLOOPLOOPLOOPLOOPLOOPLOOPLOOPLOOPLOOPLOOPLO > >I'm kinda surprised that there hasn't been more discussion about this > >idea. I agree that waiting for Gibson to produce a video may be a bit... > >excruciating. > > > >I'm really curious what Kim has to say about this idea. > > I'm not sure why my opinion is so important, or why it's more important > than what Matthias already said about it. But you asked, so here goes: > > Instructional video, great idea. We've wanted to do one for many years. But > nobody has the time or the money. I don't know exactly how much it costs to > produce something like that, but if somebody could please send me $25,000, > I'll see to it that it gets done. :-) > > > In addition to videos, I think it would be great if people wrote > instructional books, taught classes at the community center, held seminars, > gave private lessons, etc. There should be a loop teacher in the back room > of every music store in the land, in the little room where the guitar > teacher used to be. > > > >If LD can produce compilation CDs- Why not a tutorial video ? I would > >think there would be a real interest in buying it. I doubt that anyone > >on this list knows all there is to know about this 'art-form' called > >looping. What if people just sent-in their own submissions and someone > >edited and compiled them ? That would be a start ! > > > > > >Come-on you guys: this list is supposed to be about stuff like THIS ! > >Let's make it happen ! > > go to it. every other instrument has a small cottage industry of > educational materials surrounding it. Why not this one? > > kim > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html > http://www.annihilist.com/ | > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 28 12:49:54 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA16418; Fri, 28 Apr 2000 12:49:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 12:49:54 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3909BFC2.2934B6EB@inreach.com> Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 09:43:49 -0700 From: eric X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: EDP beat clock question References: <200004281529.LAA06986@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"UEY212.0.wt3.l_R2v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14047 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com If, when a sync slave, the EDP loses a beat (i.e. doesn't receive one), what happens? Does it just assume the relationship's over and goes on its merry way? Also: how about when the master has been turned off for a while - is there any way to get the EDP to sync back up to it when it starts delivering beats again (with the currently playing loops - i.e. without clearing them and starting over)? Thanks in advance for any help. Cheers, eobe [note to Andre LaFosse: guess what?!?! :) ] From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 28 12:52:56 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA16698; Fri, 28 Apr 2000 12:52:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 12:52:56 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <002701bfb12f$a2c40d80$557a79a5@cliff> From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: OT: Mother Mallard on NPR Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 09:34:28 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0024_01BFB0F4.F2FDEEA0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Resent-Message-ID: <"AueEc1.0.yT3.SoR2v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14046 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0024_01BFB0F4.F2FDEEA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I heard most of a very interesting radio piece on Mother Mallard on = Wednesday on NPR- I think it was All Things Considered - you can = probably find it on their website- Seems the guy who formed the band had = keys to Bob Moog's first lab and was instrumental in testing all the = prototypes! 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I heard most of a very interesting = radio piece=20 on Mother Mallard on Wednesday on NPR- I think it was All Things = Considered -=20 you can probably find it on their website- Seems the guy who formed the = band had=20 keys to Bob Moog's first lab and was instrumental in testing all the = prototypes!=20 Neat!
 
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------=_NextPart_000_0024_01BFB0F4.F2FDEEA0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 28 13:26:02 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA21711; Fri, 28 Apr 2000 13:26:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 13:26:02 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Bad-Idea: su; rm -rf / X-Echoplex: Sound on Sound Activated X-Prerequisite-Blasphemy: Invert me under the stars Message-Id: <4.1.20000428101509.00a82320@realm-of-shade.com> X-Sender: reverendrob@realm-of-shade.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 10:53:29 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: the Reverend Rob Subject: Re: Female Loopers? In-Reply-To: <200004281529.LAA06986@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"LoZxC3.0.mg4.tLS2v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14049 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com 93/156 On or around , Jprice01@aol.com said: >the majority of loop work people will see & hear let alone the loop stuff >folks actually are aware of is visually represented by men who are almost >always overly analytical, gear driven as opposed to being inclusive feeling >in texture and overall attractiveness ( be it physical attractiveness, >social or frivilous, etc). Other than perpetuating the usual PC "men are slime" perspective, I don't really see how this is relevant; the 'inclusive feeling' in texture isn't something that one can reasonably quantify as a male or female trait. As far as physical attractiveness and performance, I've discovered that being competent and self-assured (as well as not just some idiot out to get laid) overcomes resistance in this area; ditto on the social aspect. Being "frivolous" depends on the context at hand; I'm all for looping my literal (as in, children's) toys in frivolous numbers if the time be right for such a thing. >Plus most loop music just feels like a guy thing with an anti-social or >detached-intellectual guy perspective. And when i say anti social i mean in >a way that is boring as opposed to invigorating or inspiring more than just >others like themselves. Interesting; I've had my best overall reaction from women having heard my music, yet I seem to typify the traits villified here. I don't waste my time with stage shows or audience participation or generally on doing whatever the muse strikes at the moment. That said, I do not believe one bit that 'loop music' or any other kind for that matter will fail to attract a wide range of people...if it's performed well, is generally of interest, et cetera. Even when I've gotten into the realms of modulated feedback, I haven't seen women run for the hills. >Most loop music and musicians are always looking for affirmation amongst >themselves and it always perpetuates itself. Most artists, be they male, female, or undecided, do the same thing. It's called building community, based on interest. >But how many times can you >preach to he converted ? How many times do you feel it is a moral imperative to preach to the unwashed masses? I mean, I play a guitar, and not even very well in a technical, proper sense, and that's it. There isn't any attendant responsibility to bring culture to the masses, or promulgate looping, or whatever. I don't bother to promote my religion to the troglodytes of the world; why should I raise my music to a different standard? In the end, I'm making sound waves, nothing more than sound waves. If I hear them, that's enough. If it happens to influence others to make a positive change or commit suicide or walk out in disgust, so be it. It isn't my intent. >most loiop artists seem to be content preaching to >the converted and remain in very familiar and very safe looping contexts: >art galleries, coffee shops...not many loopers seem to me be playing to >anyone other than their own. I have no desire to personally go forth and push the envelope with my performance in that shoving it down someone's throat at an unfriendly venue just doesn't cut it. It's rude, counterproductive, and generally not something I choose to do as an artist. Sure, I went through my "turn the amps to 10 and make the soundman's ears bleed as we make 2 1/2 hours of absolute shit that doesn't bear any resemblance to Western music" phase, just like a lot of us probably did. I still do it from time to time..but going out with a message or to convert people just isn't my style. >and to illustrate what i mean, look at this analogy which is quite obvious >and may seem a bit like apples and pineapples to the die hard loop dudes but >here goes: It is apples and pineapples; one is aiming at a mainstream market with effective niche 'hip' advertising (i.e. the female aspect of the Lilith Fair), and the other is going after the frequently-aging art-rock crowd that generally isn't trying to keep up with current trends. I'd call it a classic instance of "I listen to what's currently the flavor d'jour" versus "I listen to what I want" in the eyes of the average attendee. >lillith fair compared to robert fripp soundscapes...two different crowds (i >know) but they both conjure up clear and concise images of what their >respective audiences will look like. which audience seems to attract more >women ? I could care less whether one venue attracts more women than the other; my life doesn't revolve around making men or women scream long and hard for a piece of my cock. >I have yet to hear loop material other than AKASH ( but i'm in AKASH so that >is a very subjective statement - GRIN! ) that is truly from a female >perspective but AKASH is a mix of men and women. Music is music; when it panders to a particular perspective, I know it personally makes me vomit. I want to listen to quality musicians performing something worthwhile, and that is worthwhile even if the 'message' is stripped from it. Case in point was last year's "Sexworkers Art Show" that I attended in Olympia, Washington, in which the musical entertainment was booked simply because it featured sexworkers. On any other count, it was run-of-the-mill poorly performed bar-band cock rock with a male-bashing perspective. Was it entertaining? Not really. Was it good as music, devoid of political message? Hell no. Was the message delivered effectively? Not really. >AKASH goes a little further than having feminine and femininist perspectives >by using BDSM and Fetish oriented porn, total nudity, dancers, go-go and >images of male sexuality and male agressiveness reversed to fit a very very >free thinking but manufactured lifestyle agenda ( shameless plugs - i know )... Call me a heretic here, but the whole patriarchal oppression thing has gotten a bit old now; if I have to hear more Barbara Walkeresque inspired tripe masquerading as "herstory" one more time, I want to be paid my usual consulting fee for the experience. >and unquestionably, the look and the image and the nudity AKASH puts out >there goes with the music and attracting an audience. I'm sure it does; the people who would show up at King Velveeta's Court of Porn in Chicago for shows weren't the type to even give a shit whatsoever about what was being played; the music was an excuse to see T&A and more. Not that I have anything against that sort of thing; I'm a proud producer of pornography myself and freely admit to hosting and designing more than a few adult sites as my primary business. >but with AKASH we do a lot of spoken word/improv & we have seen a fairly >even mix at our shows where guys and girls all are represented evenly. and >we were surprised because we thought that we would turn off a lot of women >and men with our blatent sexual content but the response to AKASH live is >just the opposite. I'm sure it is; the suburban masses want to be titilated whenever possible. "Hey ma, can I look at the whores!" was a common sentiment expressed at the art show I attended. Personally, I prefer to be associated with a scene that is about music first and foremost, and where attendant personality, popularity, agenda, philosophy, and sex comes in distant seconds, thirds, and whatnot. If that only attracts other musicians, so be it. >Most of our audience tends to be unmarried couples and Married couples who >are 25-35, lesbians, gays and even those overly analytical types both boy >and girl but they are typically mixed evenly in representation. Sex caters to a wider demographic split than live music; if money's the issue, sex is always a better way to go. >most loopers & this one in particular are trying really to be exclusive from >a process and process execution point of view to only include what is >necessary to the music. I'm stil curious as to why this is a bad thing; artifice and impressive presentation can always be added later, but impressive cute antics don't make the music any better if it sucks. >but I think loop musicians unintentionally end up making a lot of loop music >that is exclusive to the point that the final product is uninviting and >narrow. If you're referencing failing to put on a full strip show, sure..I'm sure a lot of us fail in that area. However, the same can be said for most jazz and classical performances; we're dealing with artists who are more concerned about the music than the image or the presentation thereof. If the mass audience can't deal with that, so be it. >Also, loop performances are usually executed in contexts/venues that are not >where women tend to go and or be interested in having their musical >experience. Well, I don't expect to be playing an abortion clinic any time soon, although it'd be a fine addition to my list of strange venues for a gig. >Loop shows are usually held in venues that are off the typical beaten >musical path where women I mean the women who will actually go to shows will >hang. There you've fractured the demographic further, destroying most of your point. >Add to that the fact that music in general does not matter that much anymore >as it did b4 and most music is taken for granted. I'm sorry you feel that way; I couldn't present shows cogently and responsibly to my audience if I felt anything near that. For me, it's all about the music; it isn't about minority posturing (which as a member of a fruitcake religious 'cult' I could do), or in selling sex, or making money, or getting laid, or accumulating more gear, or getting endorsements, or any other reason. It's about music in the moment, without boundaries, without expectations, hell, even without looping if that's what the moment calls for. >Hard to say more than what i have why loop music is so male dominanted cause >well...remeber this is a very subjective male opinion i have but it is based >on observing and playing a lot of loop performances. It is a very subjective opinion, obviously attached to some sort of agenda. >I have seen women looping and i have seen women at loop shows but always in >small numbers. By and large, women aren't represented in the greater performing musical community in numbers equal to men. It's not something I lose sleep over. >trick is with anything you do whether it is r&b, jungle, drum n bass or >trance or even gamelan music...to attract people in more proprotionate #'s >both men and women not only do folks have to dig you but u gotta make them >wanna be like you. even ol fripp does that...he does it very well. I hate "fans." I really do. The people who "want to be like me" just make me want to avoid live shows altogether. I'm there to perform, not to sell my soul or be someone's confessor or whatever. An individual who wants to emulate me or be like me needs serious, serious counselling. It's one thing to like what a musician is doing, and another to want to be their reincarnation and know every little bit of trivia about their personal life and performance catalog. It's a bit eerie, actually, in there are those who want people to emulate them and want to be like them in every way possible. Count me out as the spokesman for the New Looper Generation; I don't want to see my chosen pieces of gear get lauded over like great unobtainable holy grails and watch the prices skyrocket on what is essentially by current standards total crap; I don't want people to be charging $50 for bootleg videos or second-hand CDs on eBay. None of this helps me be a better musician or anything else I really want to be. >Now who other than those who have been introduced to loop music ( by a guide >), who familiar with the artists who loop & the different styles and >variations that are in between loops would appeal to someone, a woman that >is unfamiliar with loop oriented material..there are not that many folks >IMHO in terms of loop musicians who are good good guides to propel the music >forward someplace beyond where it seems to always stand. I could care less whether any type of music I'm interested in or perform hits the mainstream; I won't stop playing it if it does. Anyone who wants to be a 'guide' to the masses generally makes me ill. >Not saying i am any better than others but i'm saying that the same faces >always tend to play to the same faces in loop performances ( not a bad thing >either ) ...just a recipee for the status quo to always remain in the loop >heiarchy. This occurs in any music scene; when I played rock, we'd see the same people. When I played noise from hell, we saw the same people. A certain demographic goes for live music, and a certain demographic does not. 93/156 == the Reverend Rob ICQ: 1280871 http://www.realm-of-shade.com .`. .`. .`. .`. http://www.qblh.com ================================================================= "I prefer not to kill people, but I'd like to destroy as much property as possible." - Grace Slick, from the Airplane FBI file ================================================================= http://www.reverendrob.com : feedback and echo MP3s From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 28 13:20:02 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA20608; Fri, 28 Apr 2000 13:20:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 13:20:02 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000428171620.29400.qmail@web119.yahoomail.com> Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 10:16:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Bret Subject: RE: OT: Audio CD-R vs. Data CD-R To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"gDLUx1.0.ww4.eTS2v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14051 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Matthias, What I meant by cheap disk is the data type disk. They are cheaper than the consumer audio disk (because of the tarrif on the audio disk). I didn't mean to imply that the lower cost disks are inferior in any way. I don't know how computer based cd burners handle optimization, or if they do test burns. I only know what my HHB standa alone CD audio recorder does. Optimization would allow the burner to create usable disks across the varied blanks. The disks vary due to manufacturing variences, as well as formulation differences from company to company. We use optimization routines in manufacturing hard disk drives. The variation in heads, media, preamps and other components, along with asssembly variences create a population of drives that may not work (write and read) optimally. So, we tune several parameters such as write current, and dsp filter settings on the read channel in order to make the all (or most) of the drive population write and read reliably ( over the life of the drive). If they can't be optimized, the drives are rejected and rebuilt. bret --- Matthias Grob wrote: > > What do you mean by cheap disk? > Does this mean that in my recorder this optimizing > process never happened? > If so, I doubt its necessary. > > Can you give us some sources for those theories? I > really want to > learn all about it... > > Thank you > Matthias > > > ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online and get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 28 13:25:31 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA21640; Fri, 28 Apr 2000 13:25:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 13:25:31 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <000f01bfb133$81faa9c0$2e0178d8@com> From: "Gary Lehmann" To: References: <3908D1D3.1184@ojai.net> <002001bfb127$8e1f7390$5e310140@concentric.net> Subject: Ebay JamMan; also EDP prices Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 10:02:16 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <"K7ATX3.0.ve4.PLS2v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14048 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Yes, I've been waiting for my humble bid of $300 to be bested for an 8 sec Jampup posted to Ebay--I'd expect to pay $600-800 for a tricked out one. I am happy to have my own 32 sec model, but I am going to look into buying an EDP. Can anyone give me an idea of what list is, memory prices, and/or what I should expect to pay to move up to the big time (I made a joke). Also, do all the new units ship with the latest software? I'll take my answer off the air. Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 28 13:17:05 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA20263; Fri, 28 Apr 2000 13:17:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 13:17:05 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000428131552.007b7100@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 13:15:52 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: (OT) Promo tips, was: Re: Cyberarts special... In-Reply-To: <004801bfb12a$396f9520$5e310140@concentric.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"87H-C1.0.Bq4.sQS2v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14050 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 11:55 AM 4/28/00 -0400, Larry T. wrote: >Did you send a press release to the local papers? >This actually works, you know. Also, try contacting >the 'city desk' person and talk to them personally. >Sometimes your one-on-one enthusiasm for the event >will motivate a major paper to send someone down. I agree 100% that maintaining contact with local press is a great way to get some free promo for gigs and recorded releases. However, rather than asking for the city desk person, you'd usually get better results talking to the arts and entertainment editor(s). The problem with going through a "regular" newsroom editor is that entertainment stories are considered "soft news" and even if they're keen to print it, it's unfortunately usually the first thing to get bumped when something more sensational breaks, like a fire, an accident, an armed seizure of a six-year-old Cuban boy, or a photo of the publisher's wife's sister's bridge club's bake sale raffle winner. Building a rapport with the arts & entertainment editor you'll more likely get better play and a much better chance of being mentioned repeatedly as other events happen. And it's often worthwhile to find out if a paper has more than one Arts editor, as it's common for there to be a separate one for a paper's ROP pages (the regular ones in the paper with the movie ads on 'em), the Arts magazine that a lot of papers run on Thursdays so we can sell more ads, AND the Sunday Arts section, and it can be amazing how little these three people can communicate with each other sometimes. Also, apart from the editors, make an effort to meet the people who actually write the reviews, as it's been my experience that many of them are themselves active participants in local music scenes, and you might pick up some shows that way. Play up the angle that your music is not the same as that being done by most of the artists who're sending them press materials. Send the editors gifts! (Passes/invites to your event, well-written, concise press releases that can be used almost verbatim, good clear photos, review copies of your releases...) Include good contact info and follow up on it (when they're NOT on deadline, or they won't want to talk to you), impressing the editor with your cool and friendly charm and non-pushy persistance. Tim (who's a graphic artist for, yes, a newspaper...) From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 28 13:43:56 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA24161; Fri, 28 Apr 2000 13:43:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 13:43:56 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000428173821.15832.qmail@web121.yahoomail.com> Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 10:38:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Bret Subject: Re: Is it possible to sync Vortex to EDP? To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"zO8ot3.0.uj5.OoS2v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14052 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com --- John Tidwell wrote: > > I've tried running the EDP's midi out to a midi/cv > converter & then connecting the converter's S-TRIG > out to the Vortex tap tempo jack. This did not work because you need to apply a "note on" from the midi size in order to generate the S-trig output (note on in midi is translated to S-trig for moog type analog synths). That is why the following worked for you: > > Out of curiosity, I disconnected the midi cable > from the EDP & hooked it up to the midi out of a > keyboard. Guess what? Every key on the keyboard now > acted like the tap tempo foot switch of the Vortex! The keyboard sends a midi note on when each key is pressed. I have been thinking lately on how to use beat sync to gen a S-trig for my analog synths. I think it can be done rather easily and cheaply, and might be fun. bret __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online and get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 28 13:57:36 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA26549; Fri, 28 Apr 2000 13:57:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 13:57:36 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: Subject: RE: EDP beat clock question Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 10:54:58 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <3909BFC2.2934B6EB@inreach.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Resent-Message-ID: <"qtFSC.0.tM6.U0T2v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14055 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >If, when a sync slave, the EDP loses a beat (i.e. doesn't receive one), >what happens? Does it just assume the relationship's over and goes on >its merry way? No. It sync up if it hears a clock again. I'm not sure how close the clock has to be, or how fast - or if changing the tempo does anything. Someone elseasked this question before and asked for me to clrify but I couldn't find their message later. >Also: how about when the master has been turned off for a while - is >there any way to get the EDP to sync back up to it when it starts >delivering beats again (with the currently playing loops - i.e. without >clearing them and starting over)? I can press play on my SP-808, and have the EDP sync, then stop the 808, rewind, press play, and have it sync again. I do this all the time when my songs are too short. bIz From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 28 13:59:33 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA26733; Fri, 28 Apr 2000 13:59:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 13:59:33 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 10:45:52 -0700 From: "Mike Biffle" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, ltct@concentric.net, tcn62@ici.net Subject: Re: Cyberarts special in today's Boston Globe Resent-Message-ID: <"xtpf31.0.K76.LwS2v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14053 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is NOT a public performance... It's a private session among invited loopers. I'm minimizing outside attendance so we can have our own social gathering and also have a controlled taping environment. The recording may become a "calling card" for future more public variants on this theme. Best, -Miko >>> "Larry Tremblay" 04/28 8:53 AM >>> Miko - Did you send a press release to the local papers? This actually works, you know. Also, try contacting the 'city desk' person and talk to them personally. Sometimes your one-on-one enthusiasm for the event will motivate a major paper to send someone down. I've done this several times - and even made some friends at the paper this way, which makes it easier for the next event. :) Just be yourself. Good luck, - Larry T (who's had many past lives) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Biffle" To: ; Sent: Friday, April 28, 2000 11:06 AM Subject: Re: Cyberarts special in today's Boston Globe > > Hey, why should Miko & Co. over in Santa Cruz get to have all the > fun? We in the Northeast should have a Loopapalooza as well! Tim > > Right now we're at 14 confirmed attendees! The rehearsal studio I > rented is going to be packed! 8-) This should be some major fun... > > -miko > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 28 14:14:07 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA29023; Fri, 28 Apr 2000 14:14:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 14:14:07 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Pedro Felix" To: Subject: Re: Female Loopers? Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 14:00:06 -0500 Message-ID: <01bfb143$f7ea0ee0$73c44e0c@Wroswick.uvm.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"hpTLu1.0.Dh6.iAT2v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14057 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From: Jprice01@aol.com >Hard to say more than what i have why loop music is so male dominanted cause well...remeber this is a very subjective male opinion i have but it is based on observing and playing a lot of loop performances. >I have seen women looping and i have seen women at loop shows but always in small numbers. >Regards, >JP > JP, just a quick question/though: where do you live/perform? I'm in NYC and that doesn't seem to be happening here at all, there seems to be just about an even split at most shows I attend and perform at,...Knitting Factory/Tonic/37th Street Theater/Baby Jupiter etc... PedrOOrdeP From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 28 14:19:03 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA29653; Fri, 28 Apr 2000 14:19:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 14:19:03 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3909D38F.52DF4422@inreach.com> Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 11:08:16 -0700 From: eric X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: EDP beat clock question References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"2S7wl.0.Mr6.UET2v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14058 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > I can press play on my SP-808, and have the EDP sync, then stop the 808, > rewind, press play, and have it sync again. I do this all the time when my > songs are too short. So if the EDP's in the middle of a cycle and it receives a sync (after it hasn't for a while) - does it jump immediately to the start of the cycle (which is what i'm most interested in) or does it just sync at whatever relationship exists at that moment? Thanks for the help! eobe From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 28 13:52:02 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA25860; Fri, 28 Apr 2000 13:52:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 13:52:02 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: Subject: RE: Is it possible to sync Vortex to EDP? Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 10:49:22 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Resent-Message-ID: <"5abiW3.0.k96.FxS2v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14054 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I'm sure it's too late to ask for this for the next version, but would it be possible to add a 'sync=both' option, that syncs to midi and >also< sends out a beat sync signal, so you could sync your EDP to midi, and your vortex to your edp? This would be absolutely killer. bIz -----Original Message----- From: Kim Flint [mailto:kflint@annihilist.com] Sent: Friday, April 28, 2000 2:17 AM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Is it possible to sync Vortex to EDP? I have no idea why your midi/cv thing isn't working right with the echoplex's midi output, but I think maybe you can do this without midi at all. When sync=out, the echoplex sends out a pulse from the BeatSync jack in the back. The pulse is sent at the startpoint of the loop. Perhaps you could use this pulse to trigger the vortex tap tempo jack? I have no idea if it will work, but I'd be plenty interested in finding out! BTW, with the midi thing, did you try different midi channels? Does the cv thing care what the velocity is? Can it use cc instead? kim At 12:43 AM -0700 4/28/00, John Tidwell wrote: >I came across some Vortex info in the Analogue Heaven >archives that indicates that some of these folks were >able to operate the tap tempo function of the Vortex >from their sequencers and/or synths. > >I've tried running the EDP's midi out to a midi/cv >converter & then connecting the converter's S-TRIG >out to the Vortex tap tempo jack. I then recorded a >3 second loop on the EDP in hopes that the midi >note message that the EDP sends at the start of the >loop would operate the tap tempo of the Vortex. >It did not. > >Out of curiosity, I disconnected the midi cable >from the EDP & hooked it up to the midi out of a >keyboard. Guess what? Every key on the keyboard now >acted like the tap tempo foot switch of the Vortex! > >I've verified that the EDP is sending midi by hooking >its midi out to the keyboard's midi in. > >I just thought it would be nice to have the EDP >control the Vortex delay time as the EDP moved >from one short loop to another. > >Can anyone fill in the blanks? It's really irritating >me that I can't figure this out. > >Many thanks. > >John > >===== >John Tidwell > ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 28 14:09:35 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA28426; Fri, 28 Apr 2000 14:09:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 14:09:35 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <003c01bfb13c$afcfab80$5e310140@concentric.net> From: "Larry Tremblay" To: References: <200004281529.LAA06986@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Subject: Re: Female Loopers? Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 14:07:18 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"R4E5n2.0.-g6.bAT2v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14056 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com While you make some interesting points (and a shameless plug :), I disagree with your basic premise that looping is male-oriented, or that, by nature, women aren't interested in loop-oriented music. Of my many musical mentors, it was a woman who introduced me to early Eno and the academic side of loop/ambient/drone music, and another woman who introduced me to Eno's ambient works, Jon Hassell, Japan and similar artists. In Middle School, it was a woman teacher who introduced me to tape-looping and tape-manipulation techniques via musique concrete AND synthesizers. Obviously, my personal experience could be construed as an exception, but I doubt it. Pauline Oliveros was also a very influencial, and say what you will about Yoko Ono, but through her, the Beatles produced "Revolution Number 9". No offense, but AKASH sounds like a throwback to the spectacles staged by The Tubes and Fluxus in the 1960's and 1970's. Be-ins, Happenings and such. But since I haven't seen/heard it, I'm probably wrong. However, it does sound a bit desperate to rely on Spectacle (see Dubord) to broaden in order to expand one's audience. On the other hand, for comparison's sake, something like The Blue Man Group, or Negativeland, while somewhat spectacular, works great. The troupe enjoys BOTH critical acclaim and a wide audience. Not that either of these criteria is terribly important. It's just one way of measuring progress, however one defines it. I also question the value of proportional representation. Is it a value in and of itself, just *for the sake of it*? People like what they like because they like it. [Now there's a nice tautology :) ] It's a mistake I think to extrapolate the representation of women in the looping community from their Internet habits. Fact: the demographics of the Internet/Web are primarily male. It's that simple. It does not follow that looping is primarily the purview of males. > lillith fair compared to robert fripp soundscapes... More like comparing Apples and machine-guns. >>> but I think loop musicians unintentionally end up making a lot of loop music that is exclusive to the point that the final product is uninviting and narrow. <<< That's an aesthetic problem for the performer to work out. >>> Also, loop performances are usually executed in contexts/venues that are not where women tend to go and or be interested in having their musical experience. > Loop shows are usually held in venues that are off the typical beaten musical path where women I mean the women who will actually go to shows will hang.<<< Absurd. You are saying women don't read, don't drink coffee, don't hang out, or discuss and BS like the boys do. My wife would take acception to this I think. Do you really KNOW many women? >>> Add to that the fact that music in general does not matter that much anymore as it did b4 and most music is taken for granted. << This is true, of course. The means for music creation and the pervasiveness of music in our lives has increasingly devalued it. This was inevitable though. The trajectory of music creation from "patronage by kings", to "patronage by millions", logically ends with the disappearance of the Star system altogether. There will be celebrities for sure, but not the same star-making machinery that has dominated as in the past. It's the democratization of music. >>> Now who other than those who have been introduced to loop music ( by a guide ), who familiar with the artists who loop & the different styles and variations that are in between loops would appeal to someone, a woman that is unfamiliar with loop oriented material..there are not that many folks IMHO in terms of loop musicians who are good good guides to propel the music forward someplace beyond where it seems to always stand. <<< Insert 'Dance' or 'Techno' wherever 'loop' is mentioned above . ;) >>> Not saying i am any better than others but i'm saying that the same faces always tend to play to the same faces in loop performances ( not a bad thing either )<<< Can be said of In-Sync and Metalica concerts. So what's the point? >>>...just a recipee for the status quo to always remain in the loop heiarchy. <<< What does this mean??? Who are the Status Quo? Curmugeonly yours, :) - Larry T From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 28 14:13:07 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA28861; Fri, 28 Apr 2000 14:13:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 14:13:07 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: Subject: RE: Female Loopers? Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 11:11:10 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <200004281529.LAA06986@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Resent-Message-ID: <"UwlFB1.0.by6.gFT2v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14059 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sorry to be the opener of this can of worms. One sexist post from each 'side' is two more than I can stomach. Let's kill this thread. bIz From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 28 14:30:13 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA31388; Fri, 28 Apr 2000 14:30:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 14:30:13 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <05bd01bfb13c$98e40e20$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: Subject: Re: Is it possible to sync Vortex to EDP? Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 13:07:20 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"buA0b2.0.V37.3JT2v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14060 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >This did not work because you need to apply a "note >on" from the midi size in order to generate the S-trig >output (note on in midi is translated to S-trig for >moog type analog synths). The EDP sends a note-on/note-off at the beginning of every cycle. If you have Source# set to 36, a note number 45 will be sent. I don't remember if you need to have sync=out or not. Try it! Connect your EDP to a synth. You might need to fuss with the various parameters (channel number, control source, etc). Dennis Leas ----------------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 28 14:34:16 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA32316; Fri, 28 Apr 2000 14:34:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 14:34:16 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: Subject: RE: EDP beat clock question Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 11:31:16 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <3909D38F.52DF4422@inreach.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Resent-Message-ID: <"rMsRQ1.0.Uf7.iYT2v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14061 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >From what I can tell - and I've had my EDP for about a week or so now - it slowly but surely shortens the loop each pass until they are in sync. Someone else should be able to tell you. bIz -----Original Message----- From: eric [mailto:eobertha@inreach.com] Sent: Friday, April 28, 2000 11:08 AM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: EDP beat clock question > I can press play on my SP-808, and have the EDP sync, then stop the 808, > rewind, press play, and have it sync again. I do this all the time when my > songs are too short. So if the EDP's in the middle of a cycle and it receives a sync (after it hasn't for a while) - does it jump immediately to the start of the cycle (which is what i'm most interested in) or does it just sync at whatever relationship exists at that moment? Thanks for the help! eobe From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 28 14:37:04 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA32710; Fri, 28 Apr 2000 14:37:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 14:37:04 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3909D681.39ABC251@quik.com> Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 11:20:49 -0700 From: "Rev. Doubt-Goat" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Female Loopers? References: <200004281529.LAA06986@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"CPkCg2.0.tg7.yYT2v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14062 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com 93 Jprice01@aol.com wrote: > > I think there are not that many women who loop for very concurrent though specific and subtle reasons. I am reminded of an XTC lyric: "As time goes on your opinion will change like the weather / Things that you said now seem small they just don't seem to matter" -- The World is Full of Angry Young Men 93 Rev. Doubt-Goat From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 28 15:00:44 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA03541; Fri, 28 Apr 2000 15:00:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 15:00:44 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <008e01bfb143$48ea19d0$5e310140@concentric.net> From: "Larry Tremblay" To: References: <200004281529.LAA06986@rosy.yourwebhost.com> <3909BFC2.2934B6EB@inreach.com> Subject: Re: EDP beat clock question Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 14:55:09 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"R_M8R2.0.-S.qsT2v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14064 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com You need to something like Song Position Pointer data or MTC (MIDI Time Code) to keep the machines locked in this manner. FSK to MTC or SPP is common (nice soup, eh?) - Larry T ----- Original Message ----- From: "eric" To: Sent: Friday, April 28, 2000 12:43 PM Subject: EDP beat clock question > If, when a sync slave, the EDP loses a beat (i.e. doesn't receive one), > what happens? Does it just assume the relationship's over and goes on > its merry way? > > Also: how about when the master has been turned off for a while - is > there any way to get the EDP to sync back up to it when it starts > delivering beats again (with the currently playing loops - i.e. without > clearing them and starting over)? > > Thanks in advance for any help. > Cheers, > eobe > > [note to Andre LaFosse: guess what?!?! :) ] > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 28 15:01:02 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA03614; Fri, 28 Apr 2000 15:01:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 15:01:02 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3909DA64.2D1C06BB@inreach.com> Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 11:37:26 -0700 From: eric X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: EDP beat clock question References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Rz5xk.0.y_7.hfT2v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14063 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com If that is true - then I am extremely impressed. Kim, is this true? eobe (of course - when i get home i'll try it out pronto!) Jonathan El-Bizri wrote: > >From what I can tell - and I've had my EDP for about a week or so now - it > slowly but surely shortens the loop each pass until they are in sync. > Someone else should be able to tell you. > > bIz > > -----Original Message----- > From: eric [mailto:eobertha@inreach.com] > Sent: Friday, April 28, 2000 11:08 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Subject: Re: EDP beat clock question > > > I can press play on my SP-808, and have the EDP sync, then stop the 808, > > rewind, press play, and have it sync again. I do this all the time when my > > songs are too short. > > So if the EDP's in the middle of a cycle and it receives a sync (after it > hasn't for a while) - does it jump immediately to the start of the cycle > (which is what i'm most interested in) or does it just sync at whatever > relationship exists at that moment? > > Thanks for the help! > eobe From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 28 16:07:11 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA10645; Fri, 28 Apr 2000 16:07:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 16:07:11 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3909ED48.4DC7E166@inreach.com> Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 12:58:01 -0700 From: eric X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: EDP beat clock question References: <200004281529.LAA06986@rosy.yourwebhost.com> <3909BFC2.2934B6EB@inreach.com> <008e01bfb143$48ea19d0$5e310140@concentric.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"RaPMI3.0.HP2.GrU2v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14065 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com woah there! i'm about 50% with ya. 1st - are you saying what bIz says ain't so/ 2nd - does the EDP even recognize MTC? 3rd - What does the last sentence mean? Thanks a bunch. eobe Larry Tremblay wrote: > You need to something like Song Position Pointer data > or MTC (MIDI Time Code) to keep the machines locked > in this manner. FSK to MTC or SPP is common (nice soup, > eh?) > > - Larry T > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "eric" > To: > Sent: Friday, April 28, 2000 12:43 PM > Subject: EDP beat clock question > > > If, when a sync slave, the EDP loses a beat (i.e. doesn't receive one), > > what happens? Does it just assume the relationship's over and goes on > > its merry way? > > > > Also: how about when the master has been turned off for a while - is > > there any way to get the EDP to sync back up to it when it starts > > delivering beats again (with the currently playing loops - i.e. without > > clearing them and starting over)? > > > > Thanks in advance for any help. > > Cheers, > > eobe > > > > [note to Andre LaFosse: guess what?!?! :) ] > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 28 16:28:14 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA12403; Fri, 28 Apr 2000 16:28:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 16:28:14 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3909F2D6.3E5D07BC@ppi2pass.com> Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 13:21:43 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro Reply-To: msottilaro@ppi2pass.com Organization: PPI X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: The family that loops together... References: <01bfb143$f7ea0ee0$73c44e0c@Wroswick.uvm.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"9ys802.0.Ax2.QCV2v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14066 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I am in love with a looper! Met her a little while ago in Yahoo personals. True story. I did a keyword search on "Eno" and boom! There she was. We met at SFMOMA and it was love at first sight. On our third date she took me to see Tom Verlaine do music for silent movies, so of course I was hooked for life. Ahhhh one day I long to say these words to my children (male or female) "Fade out of that loop and come to dinner!" I am a truly lucky man. -- Mark Sottilaro Professional Publications, Inc 1250 Fifth Ave, Belmont CA 94002 Multimedia Production E-mail: msottilaro@ppi2pass.com Phone: (650) 593-9119 ext. 29 From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 28 17:39:20 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA18922; Fri, 28 Apr 2000 17:39:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 17:39:20 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <390A031C.1828@ezworks.net> Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 17:31:20 -0400 From: Jeff Yost Reply-To: yostie@ezworks.net Organization: Zerone Audio Labs/DigiMete Arts/GigSwaP X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Loopalooza-Gigs-etc References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"_qu-Z1.0.zU4.0DW2v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14068 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi Kim- I don't want to start any separate list. I thought quite a few were gripping about gig posting on the list. I just set up the loopgig list to allow those that wanted that aspect (without the bitching). I think Loopers-Delight is a fine forum the way it is. I just wish people would hit the deleat button instead of the bitch button. jeff Kim Flint wrote: > > At 10:55 PM -0700 4/26/00, Jeff Yost wrote: > >Hi gang- > >I went to onelist yesterday and set up a page/mail list for loopers who > >wish to post their gigs, post their acts booking information, and post > >their looper friendly venue information. > >There is a database for both performers and venues that all may > >contribute to: simply click on database on the left side of the main > >page, then click on the appropriate database (performer/venue) on the > >page you are taken to. Fill out information! > > > >You may also put your information into a form on the message page. To > >get the form click on the first message (1). copy form, fill out, post > >to the list. > > I don't get it. > > why set up a competing list when you have one right here that serves the > same purpose? > > Why not contribute something to our own community site at Looper's Delight > and help it grow, rather than set up something different elsewhere? > > And why do it with a company that plasters ads in front of everybody, > making money off of us while LD gets nothing? > > baffled, > kim > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html > http://www.annihilist.com/ | From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 28 17:43:06 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA19241; Fri, 28 Apr 2000 17:43:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 17:43:06 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <002801bfb158$744ee870$66310140@concentric.net> From: "Larry Tremblay" To: References: <200004281529.LAA06986@rosy.yourwebhost.com> <3909BFC2.2934B6EB@inreach.com> <008e01bfb143$48ea19d0$5e310140@concentric.net> <3909ED48.4DC7E166@inreach.com> Subject: Re: EDP beat clock question Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 17:26:44 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"C-abl1.0.aK4.65W2v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14067 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > 1st - are you saying what bIz says ain't so/ > 2nd - does the EDP even recognize MTC? First a disclaimer: I have no idea to what extent the EDP supports MIDI, nor the mature of it's clock output. > 3rd - What does the last sentence mean? Here's what I mean: You *might* need to look into whether the EDP supports MIDI Time Code (MTC), or MIDI Song Position Pointer(SPP) - SPP gives you the ability to lock the two machines together so that when you stop the Master, the Slave stays in sync. If neither the EDP or the slave supports SSP natively, then could sync both of them to a common clock using a standalone device. Was that clearer? Kim - help me out here... - Larry ----- Original Message ----- From: "eric" To: Sent: Friday, April 28, 2000 3:58 PM Subject: Re: EDP beat clock question > woah there! > i'm about 50% with ya. > 1st - are you saying what bIz says ain't so/ > 2nd - does the EDP even recognize MTC? > 3rd - What does the last sentence mean? > Thanks a bunch. > eobe > > Larry Tremblay wrote: > > > You need to something like Song Position Pointer data > > or MTC (MIDI Time Code) to keep the machines locked > > in this manner. FSK to MTC or SPP is common (nice soup, > > eh?) > > > > - Larry T > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "eric" > > To: > > Sent: Friday, April 28, 2000 12:43 PM > > Subject: EDP beat clock question > > > > > If, when a sync slave, the EDP loses a beat (i.e. doesn't receive one), > > > what happens? Does it just assume the relationship's over and goes on > > > its merry way? > > > > > > Also: how about when the master has been turned off for a while - is > > > there any way to get the EDP to sync back up to it when it starts > > > delivering beats again (with the currently playing loops - i.e. without > > > clearing them and starting over)? > > > > > > Thanks in advance for any help. > > > Cheers, > > > eobe > > > > > > [note to Andre LaFosse: guess what?!?! :) ] > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 28 17:55:45 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA20746; Fri, 28 Apr 2000 17:55:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 17:55:45 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: Subject: RE: EDP beat clock question Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 14:50:36 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <002801bfb158$744ee870$66310140@concentric.net> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Resent-Message-ID: <"8_Bl63.0.Bx4.OTW2v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14069 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com The EDP supports midi clock, not MTC or SMPTE. It doesn't seem to worry about song position - probably ignores this part of the information, just using the code as a 'pulse', but Kim knows all. bIz -----Original Message----- From: Larry Tremblay [mailto:ltct@concentric.net] Sent: Friday, April 28, 2000 2:27 PM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: EDP beat clock question > 1st - are you saying what bIz says ain't so/ > 2nd - does the EDP even recognize MTC? First a disclaimer: I have no idea to what extent the EDP supports MIDI, nor the mature of it's clock output. > 3rd - What does the last sentence mean? Here's what I mean: You *might* need to look into whether the EDP supports MIDI Time Code (MTC), or MIDI Song Position Pointer(SPP) - SPP gives you the ability to lock the two machines together so that when you stop the Master, the Slave stays in sync. If neither the EDP or the slave supports SSP natively, then could sync both of them to a common clock using a standalone device. Was that clearer? Kim - help me out here... - Larry ----- Original Message ----- From: "eric" To: Sent: Friday, April 28, 2000 3:58 PM Subject: Re: EDP beat clock question > woah there! > i'm about 50% with ya. > 1st - are you saying what bIz says ain't so/ > 2nd - does the EDP even recognize MTC? > 3rd - What does the last sentence mean? > Thanks a bunch. > eobe > > Larry Tremblay wrote: > > > You need to something like Song Position Pointer data > > or MTC (MIDI Time Code) to keep the machines locked > > in this manner. FSK to MTC or SPP is common (nice soup, > > eh?) > > > > - Larry T > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "eric" > > To: > > Sent: Friday, April 28, 2000 12:43 PM > > Subject: EDP beat clock question > > > > > If, when a sync slave, the EDP loses a beat (i.e. doesn't receive one), > > > what happens? Does it just assume the relationship's over and goes on > > > its merry way? > > > > > > Also: how about when the master has been turned off for a while - is > > > there any way to get the EDP to sync back up to it when it starts > > > delivering beats again (with the currently playing loops - i.e. without > > > clearing them and starting over)? > > > > > > Thanks in advance for any help. > > > Cheers, > > > eobe > > > > > > [note to Andre LaFosse: guess what?!?! :) ] > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 28 18:51:23 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA25435; Fri, 28 Apr 2000 18:51:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 18:51:23 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 18:42:02 EDT Subject: Re: EDP Tutorial Video To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 100 Resent-Message-ID: <"t0fE92.0.B16.yHX2v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14071 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 4/28/00 8:32:58 AM Mid-Atlantic Daylight Time, kflint@annihilist.com writes: << There should be a loop teacher in the back room of every music store in the land, in the little room where the guitar teacher used to be. >> what a vision!............................michael From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 28 18:52:22 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA25566; Fri, 28 Apr 2000 18:52:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 18:52:22 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.0 (1513) Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 23:31:05 +0100 Subject: EDP in LA? From: Martin Shellard To: Loopers Delight Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"9SWJj2.0.do5.l4X2v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14070 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Can anyone tell a good place to buy an EDP in LA? I'm visiting for a few days and hope to pick one up. Thanks Martin Shellard ------------------------- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 28 19:31:11 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA28989; Fri, 28 Apr 2000 19:31:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 19:31:11 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 00:11:23 +0100 Subject: EDP gain structure... From: Graham Pattison To: Loopers Delight Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"DTuCL2.0.8l6._iX2v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14073 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hey all, Anybody got any experience of performing the gain structure MOD that is in the FAQ archive? I've just done it but hasn't made any difference. The unit still works though! I'm trying to get my two units (sorry!) sorted out so I can use them in stereo. Help greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance, Graham. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 28 19:43:33 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA30325; Fri, 28 Apr 2000 19:43:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 19:43:33 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <54.33473af.263b7434@aol.com> Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 19:09:40 EDT Subject: Re: (OT) Promo tips, was: Re: Cyberarts special... To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 100 Resent-Message-ID: <"tyjoX.0.pa6.MfX2v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14072 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 4/28/00 4:16:51 PM Mid-Atlantic Daylight Time, tcn62@ici.net writes: << Tim (who's a graphic artist for, yes, a newspaper...) >> i could have sworn it was jimmy olson speakin.........you better pay attention there miko....................:)........................michael From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 28 19:45:08 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA30465; Fri, 28 Apr 2000 19:45:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 19:45:08 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <020b01bfb16b$13e428c0$31c5d6d1@oemcomputer> From: "X-ray" To: "Larry Tremblay" , Subject: Re: EDP Tutorial Video Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 18:39:48 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"If1tG1.0.FN7.f6Y2v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14074 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I want to second Larry T here. This CAN be done quickly and cheaply....and really really damn well too. MikeH >With the proliferation of near-Pro quality video >cameras today, especially the digital cams from >Sony, an instructional video can be produced >on the cheap easily. Independent filmmakers >routinely produce shorts and whole movies for >between $0 - $10,000 using scrounged equipment >and talent. >The Point: THIS CAN BE DONE QUICKLY & CHEAPLY. > >- Larry T From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 28 20:16:24 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA00643; Fri, 28 Apr 2000 20:16:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 20:16:24 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <020b01bfb16b$13e428c0$31c5d6d1@oemcomputer> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 17:04:53 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: rich Subject: Re: EDP Tutorial Video Resent-Message-ID: <"hvb0g.0.mn7.dNY2v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14075 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Just to let you guys (and gals, oops) know...I asked about possibly using our ad agency studio space for a video and it's a no go...we have got alot of stuff happening and can't really get into other projects at the moment. Sorry! Good Luck... rich >I want to second Larry T here. This CAN be done quickly and cheaply....and >really really damn well too. > >MikeH > >>With the proliferation of near-Pro quality video >>cameras today, especially the digital cams from >>Sony, an instructional video can be produced >>on the cheap easily. Independent filmmakers >>routinely produce shorts and whole movies for >>between $0 - $10,000 using scrounged equipment >>and talent. >>The Point: THIS CAN BE DONE QUICKLY & CHEAPLY. >> >>- Larry T From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 28 21:20:41 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA07157; Fri, 28 Apr 2000 21:20:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 21:20:41 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <002101bfb178$f6fb00e0$8f368218@we.mediaone.net> From: "Om_Audio" To: References: Subject: Re: EDP in LA?/ EDP Video Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 18:19:28 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"LBV9I1.0.Ig1.tWZ2v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14076 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I live in L.A. and bought mine through Alto Music in New York- it's more a matter of where you want to order it- I don't think many stores will stock them- Also, regarding the video- here's what we do- people who want to do segments get on a list and specify the basic items they want to teach- then the video camera is sent out and in chain tape style, every participant records their section- sending the tape to home base and the camera on to the next "teacher" - This would have the advantage of really making people commit and also gets the ball rolling and keeps it rolling as we all know where the camera is and for how long- I did something similar on the Johm Mclaughlin list- cd masters travelling all over the world so each of us were able to make digital copies- worked great and when someone stalled, they heard about it and got on the ball and sent the masters to the next person- The key is finding someone willing to lend a decent camera for the job- but a custom box with form fitting packing i.e. molded foam etc and pre-order cash from list members could make this happen! I will be the first to volunteer- I will do a section explaining how to turn the unit on and off- ;) Anyway- if you start with the list and compile a rough draft of content, get the camera on it's way, and finally get it edited your basically done! Comments please- Cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Martin Shellard" To: "Loopers Delight" Sent: Friday, April 28, 2000 3:31 PM Subject: EDP in LA? > Can anyone tell a good place to buy an EDP in LA? I'm visiting for a few > days and hope to pick one up. > Thanks > > Martin Shellard > > ------------------------- > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 28 21:48:28 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA10828; Fri, 28 Apr 2000 21:48:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 21:48:28 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 22:51:38 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: RE: Is it possible to sync Vortex to EDP? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <"ETAST3.0._R2.nwZ2v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14080 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >I'm sure it's too late to ask for this for the next version, but would it be >possible to add a 'sync=both' option, that syncs to midi and >also< sends >out a beat sync signal, so you could sync your EDP to midi, and your vortex >to your edp? > >This would be absolutely killer. We cared about thoses chain situations. For example: If a BeatSync arrives during reset, we assume that we sync to it and send out the MIDIclock, even at Sync=IN (this is for the version I am working on, in the shipping 5.0, MIDIclock is allways sent Now you want the oposite: MIDIclock in to BeatSync out. No, with Sync=in BeatSync is not sent and with Sync=out MIDIclock is not received. But BrotherSync is sent out even at Sync=IN for a similar reason: It allowes to connect one EDP to the MIDIclock source and transfer this sync through the brother cable to more EDPs. The BeatSync signal is on the ring of the 1/4 jack (the tip is the sample clock), so its also useable. ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 28 21:49:17 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA10919; Fri, 28 Apr 2000 21:49:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 21:49:17 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <200004281529.LAA06986@rosy.yourwebhost.com> References: <200004281529.LAA06986@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 22:51:42 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Female Loopers? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <"qe6hI.0.gS2.zwZ2v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14081 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com ok, I know, I need to say something about everything... but dont worry, my subscription here is not for a long time. While this I say a lot, then I shut up. First we will have to accept that in almost all cultures at almost all times the women incorporated beauty through dancing (and maybe singing) while the men called the spirits using instruments and drugs. This chemistry will be arround in our brain bases for another while. I hope I dont open a worm box here, certainly there are many ways to see this and lots of exeptions, I mean just a rough tendency. We observe clearly that those frontiars dissolve like most frontiers in this phase of evolution and the humans discover that they all have some of the male and some of the female energy, different amounts in different aspects. So the contribution of the woman in music is growing anyway and I dont think we can do much about it exept listen to each other and play with each other when the oportunities arrive. My public is more female than male. I rather play in meditations and meetings about holistics and therapies where for some reason the interest and dedication of the females is bigger. This is not traditional, is it? If this movement is new, it seams the woman are quicker in evolution then man. ;-) I know a female looper in Sao Paulo called Magda Pucci and she is also the leader of a great "world music" group of female singers and (male) "ethnic" instrumentists called Mavaca (no looping yet, though) www.neoradio.com. I have some recordings of her looping that I should put up on my site for you to hear. ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 28 22:01:06 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA11912; Fri, 28 Apr 2000 22:01:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 22:01:06 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3909D38F.52DF4422@inreach.com> References: <3909D38F.52DF4422@inreach.com> Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 22:50:04 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: EDP beat clock question Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <"zcT2e.0.VM2.HvZ2v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14079 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sorry, I should have answered this one before... > > I can press play on my SP-808, and have the EDP sync, then stop the 808, >> rewind, press play, and have it sync again. I do this all the time when my >> songs are too short. > >So if the EDP's in the middle of a cycle and it receives a sync (after it >hasn't for a while) - does it jump immediately to the start of the cycle >(which is what i'm most interested in) or does it just sync at whatever >relationship exists at that moment? nono, I dont think you would like that. You want the loop to go on, and when a sync arrives within the sync window (within 180ms before or after the loop start point or some fraction of the whole loop, if its a short one) it jumps to the start point. Jonathan said: > >From what I can tell - and I've had my EDP for about a week or so now - it >slowly but surely shortens the loop each pass until they are in sync. >Someone else should be able to tell you. Loop time does not change, it just corrects each time the amount the loop is off. If the clock sources speed changes more than 180ms / loop, the sync is not recognized any more and it runs off. This is better, since the chopping off or repeating of bigger bits becomes audible (even smaller ones can be audible, depending on the signal on the loop). The technology to really adapt the loop time with time stretch to an external clock source is way beyond, even at studio level, I dont know of any machine that does this. Larry T said: >You need to something like Song Position Pointer data >or MTC (MIDI Time Code) to keep the machines locked >in this manner. FSK to MTC or SPP is common (nice soup, eh?) The soft version I work on will receive Song Position Pointer. I fought with it these days and it works now. MTC we do not decode. You will be able to stop the sequencer and restart it in a different place and the EDP will calulate its relation to that new section, even considering its own multiples (which turned it much more difficult). After you restart the sequencer, to loop will go on the same, but with the new function ReAlign, the loop restarts the next time the sequencer is at the point again where the loop started before you stopped the sequencer. Hard to understand? But easy to use: Press Mute-Multiply and all sounds right again. Jonathan again: > >Also: how about when the master has been turned off for a while - is >>there any way to get the EDP to sync back up to it when it starts >>delivering beats again (with the currently playing loops - i.e. without >>clearing them and starting over)? > >I can press play on my SP-808, and have the EDP sync, then stop the 808, >rewind, press play, and have it sync again. I do this all the time when my >songs are too short. > This only works if you start the 808 pretty much at the right moment, right? The above said ReAlign function will do this for you. ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 28 22:00:08 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA11815; Fri, 28 Apr 2000 22:00:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 22:00:08 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <057801bfb120$ac55fed0$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> References: <057801bfb120$ac55fed0$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 22:48:34 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: OT: Audio CD-R vs. Data CD-R Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <"lRszK3.0.vI2.ztZ2v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14077 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >I guess I don't know when to shut-up... nono, you are great, I understood all! > >Check out http://www.fadden.com/cdrfaq/ . It has some really good >information. I did not even have to look... I find teaching each other the best way to learn. THank you! oh yes, and Bret made it even clearer in details! ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 28 22:01:21 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA11976; Fri, 28 Apr 2000 22:01:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 22:01:21 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20000428173821.15832.qmail@web121.yahoomail.com> References: <20000428173821.15832.qmail@web121.yahoomail.com> Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 22:49:15 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Is it possible to sync Vortex to EDP? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <"VHnLm2.0.kK2.auZ2v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14078 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I like this kind of thread. Its smart: you can do a short loop on the Plex, the Vortex does one of the same lenght. Not so interesting. But then you can multiply the one on the Plex and the Vortex continues the same, thats how BeatSync is. Ofcourse, it also would be interesting to be able to subdivide the BeatSync output with the 8th/beat parameter...remember my SubCycleSync idea, Kim? As Kim said, BeatSync would be the most handy way to tap automatically. I just tried it: my BeatSync pulse is too short for the Vortex. :-( 8ms is pretty short. I just increased it to 40ms and it worked! Are there any arguments for the length of BeatSync? Who uses this output for what? I thought it could be a metronome like click. If I make it longer, the sound turns audibly doubble, but its ugly anyway. I think we should adapt the length to the necessity of aplications like this. And since all switch inputs need some debounce function, pulses need to be longer... >--- John Tidwell wrote: > > I've tried running the EDP's midi out to a midi/cv >> converter & then connecting the converter's S-TRIG >> out to the Vortex tap tempo jack. > >This did not work because you need to apply a "note >on" from the midi size in order to generate the S-trig >output (note on in midi is translated to S-trig for >moog type analog synths). > >That is why the following worked for you: > >> >> Out of curiosity, I disconnected the midi cable >> from the EDP & hooked it up to the midi out of a >> keyboard. Guess what? Every key on the keyboard now >> acted like the tap tempo foot switch of the Vortex! > >The keyboard sends a midi note on when each key is >pressed. EDP does that too: It sends a NoteOn/velocity 64, immediately followed by a NoteOn/velocity 0, each time the loop is back to its startpoint (when the multiple dot flashes). Probably the note is to short to do the trigger, since its of the same lenth as the BeatSync out and probably your converter also maintains this time. > >I have been thinking lately on how to use beat sync to >gen a S-trig for my analog synths. I think it can be >done rather easily and cheaply, and might be fun. yes, yes! oops, Denis explained it all before me: >The EDP sends a note-on/note-off at the beginning of every cycle. If you have >Source# set to 36, a note number 45 will be sent. I don't remember >if you need >to have sync=out or not. No, Sync does not influence that, ControlSource does, needs to be set to NOTE, in this case. ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 28 22:35:30 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA15521; Fri, 28 Apr 2000 22:35:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 22:35:30 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Apparently-From: Reply-To: From: "Javier Miranda V." To: Subject: RE: Napster Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 19:29:35 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20000428113959.10616.qmail@hotmail.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"gGdpg1.0.ya3.-aa2v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14082 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hey, dude, like Kim says. If you don't like the subject, don't read the e-mail. It takes 0.15 seconds to delete an e-mail. Keep those Napster e-mails coming! | -----Original Message----- | From: David Potter [mailto:papadave55@hotmail.com] | Sent: Friday 28 April 2000 4:40 AM | To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com | Subject: Re: Napster | | | Am I free to not get napster posts? | | | >My teaching, if that is the word you want to use, has no | copyright. You are | >free to reproduce,distribute, interpret, misinterpret, | distort, garble, do | >what you like, even claim authorship, without my consent or | the permission | .. | | ________________________________________________________________________ | Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at | http://www.hotmail.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 28 22:51:54 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA17230; Fri, 28 Apr 2000 22:51:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 22:51:54 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <00c801bfb185$f744a120$66310140@concentric.net> From: "Larry Tremblay" To: References: <3909D38F.52DF4422@inreach.com> Subject: Re: EDP beat clock question Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 22:52:31 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"s62kc.0.B74.rra2v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14083 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thanks Mathias, Very informative. - Larry T ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matthias Grob" To: Sent: Friday, April 28, 2000 9:50 PM Subject: Re: EDP beat clock question > Sorry, I should have answered this one before... > > > > I can press play on my SP-808, and have the EDP sync, then stop the 808, > >> rewind, press play, and have it sync again. I do this all the time when my > >> songs are too short. > > > >So if the EDP's in the middle of a cycle and it receives a sync (after it > >hasn't for a while) - does it jump immediately to the start of the cycle > >(which is what i'm most interested in) or does it just sync at whatever > >relationship exists at that moment? > > nono, I dont think you would like that. You want the loop to go on, > and when a sync arrives within the sync window (within 180ms before > or after the loop start point or some fraction of the whole loop, if > its a short one) it jumps to the start point. > > Jonathan said: > > >From what I can tell - and I've had my EDP for about a week or so now - it > >slowly but surely shortens the loop each pass until they are in sync. > >Someone else should be able to tell you. > > Loop time does not change, it just corrects each time the amount the > loop is off. If the clock sources speed changes more than 180ms / > loop, the sync is not recognized any more and it runs off. This is > better, since the chopping off or repeating of bigger bits becomes > audible (even smaller ones can be audible, depending on the signal on > the loop). > The technology to really adapt the loop time with time stretch to an > external clock source is way beyond, even at studio level, I dont > know of any machine that does this. > > Larry T said: > >You need to something like Song Position Pointer data > >or MTC (MIDI Time Code) to keep the machines locked > >in this manner. FSK to MTC or SPP is common (nice soup, > eh?) > > The soft version I work on will receive Song Position Pointer. I > fought with it these days and it works now. MTC we do not decode. > You will be able to stop the sequencer and restart it in a different > place and the EDP will calulate its relation to that new section, > even considering its own multiples (which turned it much more > difficult). > After you restart the sequencer, to loop will go on the same, but > with the new function ReAlign, the loop restarts the next time the > sequencer is at the point again where the loop started before you > stopped the sequencer. > Hard to understand? But easy to use: Press Mute-Multiply and all > sounds right again. > > Jonathan again: > > >Also: how about when the master has been turned off for a while - is > >>there any way to get the EDP to sync back up to it when it starts > >>delivering beats again (with the currently playing loops - i.e. without > >>clearing them and starting over)? > > > >I can press play on my SP-808, and have the EDP sync, then stop the 808, > >rewind, press play, and have it sync again. I do this all the time when my > >songs are too short. > > > This only works if you start the 808 pretty much at the right moment, right? > The above said ReAlign function will do this for you. > > > ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 28 23:02:20 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA18816; Fri, 28 Apr 2000 23:02:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 23:02:20 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <00ce01bfb186$b6d09440$66310140@concentric.net> From: "Larry Tremblay" To: References: <20000428173821.15832.qmail@web121.yahoomail.com> Subject: Re: Is it possible to sync Vortex to EDP? Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 22:57:52 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"Xzl1.0.tJ4.twa2v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14084 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mathias, what kind of signal is the Beatsync? Wouldn't FSK or a switchable waveform triger/gate out be a useful feature? Please explain Beatsync the signal. Thanks in advance. - Larry T ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matthias Grob" To: Sent: Friday, April 28, 2000 9:49 PM Subject: Re: Is it possible to sync Vortex to EDP? > I like this kind of thread. Its smart: you can do a short loop on the > Plex, the Vortex does one of the same lenght. Not so interesting. But > then you can multiply the one on the Plex and the Vortex continues > the same, thats how BeatSync is. > > Ofcourse, it also would be interesting to be able to subdivide the > BeatSync output with the 8th/beat parameter...remember my > SubCycleSync idea, Kim? > > As Kim said, BeatSync would be the most handy way to tap automatically. > I just tried it: my BeatSync pulse is too short for the Vortex. :-( > 8ms is pretty short. I just increased it to 40ms and it worked! > > Are there any arguments for the length of BeatSync? > Who uses this output for what? > I thought it could be a metronome like click. If I make it longer, > the sound turns audibly doubble, but its ugly anyway. > > I think we should adapt the length to the necessity of aplications > like this. And since all switch inputs need some debounce function, > pulses need to be longer... > > > > >--- John Tidwell wrote: > > > I've tried running the EDP's midi out to a midi/cv > >> converter & then connecting the converter's S-TRIG > >> out to the Vortex tap tempo jack. > > > >This did not work because you need to apply a "note > >on" from the midi size in order to generate the S-trig > >output (note on in midi is translated to S-trig for > >moog type analog synths). > > > >That is why the following worked for you: > > > >> > >> Out of curiosity, I disconnected the midi cable > >> from the EDP & hooked it up to the midi out of a > >> keyboard. Guess what? Every key on the keyboard now > >> acted like the tap tempo foot switch of the Vortex! > > > >The keyboard sends a midi note on when each key is > >pressed. > > EDP does that too: It sends a NoteOn/velocity 64, immediately > followed by a NoteOn/velocity 0, each time the loop is back to its > startpoint (when the multiple dot flashes). > > Probably the note is to short to do the trigger, since its of the > same lenth as the BeatSync out and probably your converter also > maintains this time. > > > > > >I have been thinking lately on how to use beat sync to > >gen a S-trig for my analog synths. I think it can be > >done rather easily and cheaply, and might be fun. > > yes, yes! > > > oops, Denis explained it all before me: > >The EDP sends a note-on/note-off at the beginning of every cycle. If you have > >Source# set to 36, a note number 45 will be sent. I don't remember > >if you need > >to have sync=out or not. > > No, Sync does not influence that, ControlSource does, needs to be set > to NOTE, in this case. > > > ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 28 23:25:19 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA21408; Fri, 28 Apr 2000 23:25:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 23:25:19 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <390A5120.9B39EFCE@inreach.com> Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 20:04:02 -0700 From: eric X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gnomesis@yahoo.com CC: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Napster References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"yaqp7.0.SA5.KMb2v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14086 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com You can set a filter to send all incoming "Napster" emails to your trash. "Javier Miranda V." wrote: > Hey, dude, like Kim says. If you don't like the subject, don't read the > e-mail. It takes 0.15 seconds to delete an e-mail. Keep those Napster > e-mails coming! > > | -----Original Message----- > | From: David Potter [mailto:papadave55@hotmail.com] > | Sent: Friday 28 April 2000 4:40 AM > | To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > | Subject: Re: Napster > | > | > | Am I free to not get napster posts? > | > | > | >My teaching, if that is the word you want to use, has no > | copyright. You are > | >free to reproduce,distribute, interpret, misinterpret, > | distort, garble, do > | >what you like, even claim authorship, without my consent or > | the permission > | .. > | > | ________________________________________________________________________ > | Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at > | http://www.hotmail.com > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 28 23:34:29 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA21990; Fri, 28 Apr 2000 23:34:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 23:34:29 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <390A516E.1E57907F@inreach.com> Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 20:05:19 -0700 From: eric X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: EDP beat clock question References: <3909D38F.52DF4422@inreach.com> <00c801bfb185$f744a120$66310140@concentric.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"H4jyi.0.qf4.p5b2v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14085 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Ditto. Looking forward to the upgrade. eobe Larry Tremblay wrote: > Thanks Mathias, > > Very informative. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 28 23:54:42 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA24225; Fri, 28 Apr 2000 23:54:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 23:54:42 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: From: Kim Flint To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: Napster Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 20:51:28 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <"hSrqf1.0.Kq5.Jnb2v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14087 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com No, that's not what I say at all. In fact, statements like that are a pet peeve of mine as a list manager. I say: please stay on topic. Nobody is going to police or moderate the list, it is up to everybody to take responsibility for their own actions. That means monitoring your own contributions and making sure what you post is likely to be worthwhile to the interests of people here, and not completely off topic. It also means resisting the urge to leap on the reply button to needlessly prolong a thread that has nothing to do with the list topic. Looping is the thing everybody here has in common interest, I think we should all try to respect that. kim > -----Original Message----- > From: Javier Miranda V. [mailto:gnomesis@yahoo.com] > Sent: Friday, April 28, 2000 7:30 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Subject: RE: Napster > > > Hey, dude, like Kim says. If you don't like the subject, > don't read the > e-mail. It takes 0.15 seconds to delete an e-mail. Keep > those Napster > e-mails coming! > > | -----Original Message----- > | From: David Potter [mailto:papadave55@hotmail.com] > | Sent: Friday 28 April 2000 4:40 AM > | To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > | Subject: Re: Napster > | > | > | Am I free to not get napster posts? > | > | > | >My teaching, if that is the word you want to use, has no > | copyright. You are > | >free to reproduce,distribute, interpret, misinterpret, > | distort, garble, do > | >what you like, even claim authorship, without my consent or > | the permission > | .. > | > | From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Apr 29 00:16:51 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA27626; Sat, 29 Apr 2000 00:16:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 00:16:51 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <003f01bfb18f$32cd0580$0100005a@ne.mediaone.net> From: "Peter Shindler" To: References: Subject: general digital recording query Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 23:58:37 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <"7QCMz1.0.jU6.66c2v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14088 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sorry to distract y'all from the Napster and "can chicks loop?" threads (both of which I'm enjoying immensely, keep it coming), but here's something that's on my mind. I've just been introduced to the world of digital recording by a friend who's letting me borrow his Roland VS-840 Digital Workstation. I've been having a blast playing around with it, especially mixing-and-matching my own guitar loops and noises with Acid and FruityLoops drum sounds. However, it occurred to me that most of the cut-and-paste functions I've been messing with would be much easier if the whole process was done on my PC. So now I'm considering buying a package like Cakewalk, and I'm wondering: Is a program like that really comparable to a stand-alone recording unit? What does the Roland do that a good software program cannot? And aside from Cakewalk, what other programs should I be checking out? Thanks. I'm sure I'm asking the right people (just keep it clean!). Peter From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Apr 29 00:55:31 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA01632; Sat, 29 Apr 2000 00:55:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 00:55:31 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <00ce01bfb186$b6d09440$66310140@concentric.net> References: <20000428173821.15832.qmail@web121.yahoomail.com> <00ce01bfb186$b6d09440$66310140@concentric.net> Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 01:59:27 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: BeatSync signal Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <"YZVr_3.0.EL.ugc2v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14089 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >Mathias, what kind of signal is the Beatsync? Wouldn't >FSK or a switchable waveform triger/gate out be a >useful feature? You mean we should not invent a new standard here but use an existing? The problem is that I wanted the same pin to be in and out, so any kind is possible. This should be discussed again for a future unit. But the length of the pulse could be the same, do you know such specifications? > >Please explain Beatsync the signal. Thanks in advance. Its open colector. 10k Ohms pull up to 5V where it usually stays. Then the puls is pushing down to ground with 200 Ohms. ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Apr 29 01:54:01 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA07766; Sat, 29 Apr 2000 01:54:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 01:54:01 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <000901bfb19f$894d6390$30310140@concentric.net> From: "Larry Tremblay" To: References: <20000428173821.15832.qmail@web121.yahoomail.com><00ce01bfb186$b6d09440$66310140@concentric.net> Subject: Re: BeatSync signal Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 01:55:33 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"8LJ361.0.Fr1.xXd2v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14091 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > >Mathias, what kind of signal is the Beatsync? Wouldn't > >FSK or a switchable waveform triger/gate out be a > >useful feature? > > You mean we should not invent a new standard here but use an existing? No, not at all. But you must admit that using existing standards has clear advantages. A 5V +/- trigger pulse is a fairly flexible and open standard that works with lots of other gear, especially synths and FX. > The problem is that I wanted the same pin to be in and out, so any > kind is possible. This should be discussed again for a future unit. I see. It would be great to add CV and trigger pulse in the future. > But the length of the pulse could be the same, do you know such specifications? > Not offhand... > > > >Please explain Beatsync the signal. Thanks in advance. > > Its open colector. 10k Ohms pull up to 5V where it usually stays. > Then the puls is pushing down to ground with 200 Ohms. > Ok, I understand. Thanks for the wealth of info. :) - Larry T From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Apr 29 02:13:27 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA09573; Sat, 29 Apr 2000 02:13:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 02:13:27 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <001701bfb19e$196287a0$8f368218@we.mediaone.net> From: "Om_Audio" To: References: <20000428173821.15832.qmail@web121.yahoomail.com> Subject: Re: Is it possible to sync Vortex to EDP? Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 22:45:17 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"nxRS42.0.mh1.DQd2v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14090 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com How did you increase the time? Cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matthias Grob" To: Sent: Friday, April 28, 2000 6:49 PM Subject: Re: Is it possible to sync Vortex to EDP? > I just tried it: my BeatSync pulse is too short for the Vortex. :-( > 8ms is pretty short. I just increased it to 40ms and it worked! From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Apr 29 02:22:07 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA10748; Sat, 29 Apr 2000 02:22:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 02:22:07 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 23:01:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: dmgraph@mail.earthlink.net (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: David Myers Subject: Gear sale Resent-Message-ID: <"dDkGH3.0.r82.bgd2v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14092 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Before I go to Harmony Central, I'd like to run this list past my loop friends. Going the software route, can use the bucks. Home studio items for sale, all mint, original boxes and manuals, pedals never even stepped on, prices plus COD Fed Ex: Mackie 1202-VLZ PRO, 8 mo. old. The best of its kind. Cost $370. Price $290 (plus $22 ship) Boss VF-1 multiprocessor, 5 mo. old. Half rack unit, incredible. Cost $400. Price $320 (plus $17 ship) Waldorf 4 Pole filter unit, 3 mo. old. What am I, nuts? Filter madness. Cost $450. Price $380 (plus $17 ship) Lexicon Reflex, 18 mo. old. Does stuff the new MPX's don't, nice unit. Cost $280 at blowout. Price $175 (plus $15 ship) Akai Headrush delay/looper, 6 mo. old. Fripperpedal. Cost $180. Price $120 (plus $12 ship) (Two) Zoom 2100 floor effects units, 6 mo. old. Many effects plus great looping capabilities. Cost $150-$100 (blowout), now discontinued. Price $85 each (plus $15 ship) Boss PS-3 pitch shifter/delay pedal, 1 yr old. Cost $150. Price $70 (plus $12 ship) Boss MT-2 Metal Zone pedal, 1 yr. old. Cost $95. Price $50 (plus $12 ship) Thanks all. David Myers From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Apr 29 03:13:40 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA14439; Sat, 29 Apr 2000 03:13:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 03:13:40 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhRP4p+TyNrpzDBeF2KiK9UrjC6ydQIUNBG3snNvqtrnmayun5tbgLUth4E= From: jordanpease@webtv.net (Jordan Pease) Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 23:45:16 -0700 (PDT) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Tutorial Video- Message-ID: <14065-390A84FC-11176@storefull-116.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Resent-Message-ID: <"0UZ6g1.0.z33._Je2v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14093 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com LOOPVIDEOLOOPVIDEOLOOPVIDEOLOOPVIDEOLOOPVIDEOLOOPVIDEOLOOPVIDEO All right Cliff ! Great Idea ! Good that you can help the more timid users with that daunting power switch issue. I'll volunteer to demonstrate advanced rack-mounting techniques and front panel cleaning with emphasis on mild, non-abrasive cleaners. Seriously, I'm happy to see some interest and enthusiasm in the idea. We really need some talented and long-time users to step forward. This could be a really great project. A camera doesn't have to go to everybody, either, I don't think. Some people could just send tapes. I really wish Kim would break his silence. He's GOT to be involved in this somehow. LOOPVIDEOLOOPVIDEOLOOPVIDEOLOOPVIDEOLOOPVIDEOLOOPVIDEOLOOPVIDEO From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Apr 29 03:11:43 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA14342; Sat, 29 Apr 2000 03:11:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 03:11:43 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <000d01bfb1a8$9bbed460$30310140@concentric.net> From: "Larry Tremblay" To: References: Subject: Re: Gear sale Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 03:00:29 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"lsDQh3.0.FD3.JUe2v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14094 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com David, I might want the Mackie 1202. Will know in two days. Can ya wait? Thanks, - Larry > Before I go to Harmony Central, I'd like to run this list past my loop > friends. Going the software route, can use the bucks. > > Home studio items for sale, all mint, original boxes and manuals, pedals > never even stepped on, prices plus COD Fed Ex: > > Mackie 1202-VLZ PRO, 8 mo. old. The best of its kind. Cost $370. Price > $290 (plus $22 ship) > Boss VF-1 multiprocessor, 5 mo. old. Half rack unit, incredible. Cost > $400. Price $320 (plus $17 ship) > Waldorf 4 Pole filter unit, 3 mo. old. What am I, nuts? Filter madness. > Cost $450. Price $380 (plus $17 ship) > Lexicon Reflex, 18 mo. old. Does stuff the new MPX's don't, nice unit. > Cost $280 at blowout. Price $175 (plus $15 ship) > Akai Headrush delay/looper, 6 mo. old. Fripperpedal. Cost $180. Price > $120 (plus $12 ship) > (Two) Zoom 2100 floor effects units, 6 mo. old. Many effects plus great > looping capabilities. Cost $150-$100 (blowout), now discontinued. Price > $85 each (plus $15 ship) > Boss PS-3 pitch shifter/delay pedal, 1 yr old. Cost $150. Price $70 (plus > $12 ship) > Boss MT-2 Metal Zone pedal, 1 yr. old. Cost $95. Price $50 (plus $12 ship) > > Thanks all. > > David Myers > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Apr 29 04:17:52 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA19004; Sat, 29 Apr 2000 04:17:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 04:17:52 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <002a01bfb1c9$3b35fd00$0101a8c0@pavilion> From: "Brian Mulvey" To: References: <008e01bfb143$48ea19d0$5e310140@concentric.net> Subject: Fs: Various Electronic, Noise, Experimental, and more Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 03:54:01 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <"CsdmY1.0.Z04.yCf2v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14095 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com http://cgi6.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewListedItems&userid=alex__kidd@ hotmail.com&include=0&since=-1&sort=2&rows=25 Low prices, no reserves. 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(United Dairies) Current 93 / Nurse With Wound - Mi-Mort (UD) Rising From the Red Sand 2 and 4 - Nurse With Wound, Test Dept., Chris and Cosey Skinny Puppy - Cleanse, Fold, and Manipulate Zoviet France - Loh Land 1st Ed VHS Video- Aphex Twin Video Item - Come to daddy From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Apr 29 04:55:50 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA21773; Sat, 29 Apr 2000 04:55:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 04:55:50 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Apparently-From: Reply-To: From: "Javier Miranda V." To: Subject: RE: Napster Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 01:24:56 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <"M25fL3.0.pm4.uof2v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14096 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hot damn! Then it wasn't Kim who said that. Who was it? I think it was Matthias. | -----Original Message----- | From: Kim Flint [mailto:kflint@ati.com] | Sent: Friday 28 April 2000 8:51 PM | To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com | Subject: RE: Napster | | | | No, that's not what I say at all. In fact, statements like that | are a pet | peeve of mine as a list manager... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Apr 29 05:09:34 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA22751; Sat, 29 Apr 2000 05:09:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 05:09:34 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <001401bfb1b6$a6859600$8f368218@we.mediaone.net> From: "Om_Audio" To: References: <14065-390A84FC-11176@storefull-116.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Subject: Re: Tutorial Video- Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 01:41:02 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"cXYef2.0.905.E_f2v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14097 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Kim is there- don't worry- we have to take care of the logistics- once it is set up I'm sure he will take a week vacation and record his section- - Right Kim? Cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jordan Pease" To: Sent: Friday, April 28, 2000 11:45 PM Subject: Tutorial Video- > LOOPVIDEOLOOPVIDEOLOOPVIDEOLOOPVIDEOLOOPVIDEOLOOPVIDEOLOOPVIDEO > > > All right Cliff ! > > Great Idea ! > > Good that you can help the more timid users with that daunting power > switch issue. I'll volunteer to demonstrate advanced rack-mounting > techniques and front panel cleaning with emphasis on mild, non-abrasive > cleaners. > > Seriously, I'm happy to see some interest and enthusiasm in the idea. We > really need some talented and long-time users to step forward. > > This could be a really great project. A camera doesn't have to go to > everybody, either, I don't think. Some people could just send tapes. I > really wish Kim would break his silence. He's GOT to be involved in this > somehow. > > LOOPVIDEOLOOPVIDEOLOOPVIDEOLOOPVIDEOLOOPVIDEOLOOPVIDEOLOOPVIDEO > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Apr 29 06:37:57 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA28635; Sat, 29 Apr 2000 06:37:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 06:37:57 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 03:20:55 -0700 From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Tutorial Video- In-reply-to: <001401bfb1b6$a6859600$8f368218@we.mediaone.net> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <14065-390A84FC-11176@storefull-116.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Resent-Message-ID: <"vbK802.0.Pk6.dVh2v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14098 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 1:41 AM -0700 4/29/00, Om_Audio wrote: >Kim is there- don't worry- we have to take care of the logistics- once it is >set up I'm sure he will take a week vacation and record his section- - Right >Kim? > >Cliff oh yeah, I'd really like to spend my vacation dealing with the echoplex. :-) kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Apr 29 07:58:42 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA02405; Sat, 29 Apr 2000 07:58:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 07:58:42 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000429112909.54978.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [165.227.130.104] From: "David Potter" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Ebay JamMan; also EDP prices Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 04:29:09 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"AgB171.0.kv7.dUi2v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14099 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com One Billion Dollars >From: "Gary Lehmann" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >To: >Subject: Ebay JamMan; also EDP prices >Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 10:02:16 -0700 > >Yes, I've been waiting for my humble bid of $300 to be bested for an 8 sec >Jampup posted to Ebay--I'd expect to pay $600-800 for a tricked out one. I >am happy to have my own 32 sec model, but I am going to look into buying an >EDP. Can anyone give me an idea of what list is, memory prices, and/or >what >I should expect to pay to move up to the big time (I made a joke). Also, >do >all the new units ship with the latest software? I'll take my answer off >the air. >Gary > ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Apr 29 08:14:01 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA04073; Sat, 29 Apr 2000 08:14:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 08:14:01 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000429120615.96558.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [165.227.130.227] From: "David Potter" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Napster Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 05:06:15 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"bkole1.0.Jo.Q1j2v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14100 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com cool I'll use that one ...thanks >You can set a filter to send all incoming "Napster" emails to your trash. > > >"Javier Miranda V." wrote: > > > Hey, dude, like Kim says. If you don't like the subject, don't read the > > e-mail. It takes 0.15 seconds to delete an e-mail. Keep those Napster > > e-mails coming! > > > > | -----Original Message----- > > | From: David Potter [mailto:papadave55@hotmail.com] > > | Sent: Friday 28 April 2000 4:40 AM > > | To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > > | Subject: Re: Napster > > | > > | > > | Am I free to not get napster posts? > > | > > | > > | >My teaching, if that is the word you want to use, has no > > | copyright. You are > > | >free to reproduce,distribute, interpret, misinterpret, > > | distort, garble, do > > | >what you like, even claim authorship, without my consent or > > | the permission > > | .. > > | > > | >________________________________________________________________________ > > | Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at > > | http://www.hotmail.com > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. > > http://im.yahoo.com > ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Apr 29 08:23:44 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA04995; Sat, 29 Apr 2000 08:23:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 08:23:44 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 13:05:14 +0100 Subject: EDP Gain structure... From: Graham Pattison To: , , Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"We4sc1.0.qp.L2j2v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14101 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hello, Am having difficulties with my EDP's gain structure. I've recently boughgt a second unit off harmony and have just performed the Gain Mod as described in the FAQ list. I still have a huge discrepancy between the two units. Anyone got any ideas? The resistors are definitely the right values. I used 0.6w metal film resistors with a 1% tolerance. On my original unit the resistor is a black (silicone coated?) version whereas the one I've just put in was a more standard 5 colour band blue one. Could this have anything to do with it? Any help greatly appreciated as I'm very frustrated and paranoid I've screwed something up. Also are there any other MOD's for the EDP to maybe increase the S/N ratio? A list of what mods there are would be useful. Thanks for your help, Graham Pattison From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Apr 29 08:47:12 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA07126; Sat, 29 Apr 2000 08:47:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 08:47:12 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Jprice01@aol.com Message-ID: <7b.36c3712.263c3162@aol.com> Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 08:36:50 EDT Subject: Re: Female Loopers? To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 105 Resent-Message-ID: <"DnTA52.0.FU1.6Uj2v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14102 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 4/28/00 1:26:44 PM Eastern Daylight Time, reverendrob@realm-of-shade.com writes: << I hate "fans." I really do. >> & boy oh boy, you seem to have a propensity to vomit if an agenda is not in line with your agenda. That seems to say that u must have a lot of hostility or a digestive problem young man :) I know just the cure for that mindset...LOL I know that as a looping male geetar player, I react with over-analysis paralysis whenever anyone points out that i have a tendancy to gravitate toward the perspective that how i am and how i do things is who i am regardless as to whether or not i am inclusive or exclusive. I have a tendancy to immediately offer an in depth break down of how my thoughts are processed and finalized focusig on me, me me & more me. I have also come to accept how much slime men are and continue to be ...u too must accept this "herstorical' truth and submit with exceptional PC grace and guilt- GRIN! & I do know the women & men in AKASH are out to get chicks so we are guilty of that rock n roll myth/stereotype but can you really call us cock rockers...i wont go down there.....:-) But I think im the only person in AKASH other than the drummer who would be aware of Flexxus and The Tubes...definitely not our vibe though u can draw a number of evolutionary parallels from them to what we do today but that is not quite our game. Pornography and blatent sexuality be it erotica or intended to be gratuitous and graphic and or distasteful imagery is very very very chic right now and more mainstream than ever among more women than ever. We also find porn and loops go hand and hand - no puns intended and have done so for years in the scope of film and video. it was a natural combination to make. we just make it so matter of fact that I dont think there really is any shock value we (dah band ) get out of indulging porn or using porn publicly as a backdrop to loops. it is nothing new the music & porn thang but it is an extension of the way we all lead our lives as individuals apart from the band. and if T&A were the common denominator and the entertainment factor were the only thing we had going as an act, people woulda been gone say 2 yrs ago...cuz u can only shock so much and reveal so much until it becomes boring... AKASH walks a lot of lines and starts off and remains outside a lot of things but it is always inside the realm of what it needs to be. But secretly everyone in AKASH has developed & perfected clones of themselves. just try to think of them clones as little mini mees running amuck in coffee shops to heckle all those slimey, male geetar playas with lotsa loop gear who play really exclusive and very introspective soundscapes. BTW, Next week we are targeting stick players and folks with no exposure to Camille Paglia's writings...look out cause the mini mees are coming to get you ! & Music does not have to be good or sincere or even well executed for a band or individual to be successful or well received. to be successful & make $$$ at playing music you need to be derrivative, have the ability for many different outlets of commerce to co-brand your image and music and have lots of people wanna be like you. & having teenaged girls talk about u in chat rooms will boost record sales too ...we aim for that moment where we can be on the cover of Teeny Bop Sensation Mag & Ms Magazine. And of course women read books & women dig porn and hang out in coffee shops too...but i have noticed gals are not really into guys that are so into themselves and their gizmo gadgets as much as the dudes who can make it seem like that the book they have in their hands is being read especially for them or the men who can make their gadgets work in areas that hit closer to shall we say a deeper feminine perspective. ( BTW, I should know about women cuz im in a band and i go to borders but i tend to like books with pictures ... the ones with staples in em...i read em more so for the pics than the words :) AKASH wants to be the dominator of all things that are curmudgingly yours too Reverend... regardless of like and dislike which seems to have a strong hold on you. A little fun and a lot of seduction plus a williness to not be ghettoized or relgated to a so called community where other people think loop musicians should be or look / sound and act like is what i was getting at in my first post along with reasons why women are tuned off to the loop music in general ( not absolute ) and it was speculation on observations..pure subjective speculation that i like to call an opinion :) & BTW, I'm located in dwntwn Philly. This is a loopey town that is rich with lots of very good and a number of very bad musians just like anywhere in a major metro city. and just like anywhere else, Philly has the eternal problem of too few places to play and perform matched against the number of musicians available and interested in performing and playing. i would also say the only loop oriented show in Philly where I actually saw a fair turn-out of women was when David Torn played at a Stars end gathering at UPENN in 98; ummm, i think it was in 98...but i'm sure there are other philly loopers on the list who were at that show who have better momories than this one here. Sorta related here is that another band I play with did a bill with JFK's LSD UFO last year @ pi-lam in west philly (im the geetar slinger for temple of Bon Matin). we were all very impressed by the drum work and loop work the female drummer laid out ( andre was killa too ) ..very very very tastey stuff and very powerful seeing a female drummer and one that was looping really cool "waveforms". Nowadays u do see more women dj's ( trance/drum n bass ) who are doing loopey things w/ delay pedals that are kinda cool but there are no women in Philly that are looping to my knowledge in the gear heavy manner me and all the other boys do ( bear in mind my knowledge of philly's local scene is admittedly very limited concerning detals on whos other than this being roots, josh wink and king britt country ). Here in philly, loop music is almost always relegated to the realm of the experimental...and i hate that definition but not to the point of vomiting...so i choose to define or redefine myself in ways that are of my choice & need. & that is sorta just like a lot of other loop musicians who are doing things loop related in their own necessary ways. my other point was that the affectionately dubbed status quo i referred to were not really doing anything other than perprtuating themselves and their gear exhibition upon people/their communities ( not necessarily a bad thing...but definitely not my thang and imho never is it musical but defining what is musical is like saying u have a blanket definition for what makes something a work of art - good luck analyzing that one ). Since when was ambition and inclusiveness such a hard thing to swallow ? ... The answer depends on how you define those 2 words and execute the so called agenda :) Regards, JP From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Apr 29 09:04:42 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA08824; Sat, 29 Apr 2000 09:04:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 09:04:42 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000429124755.28354.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [165.227.130.227] From: "David Potter" To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com, collegeman55@aol.com Subject: let's be loving loopers Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 05:47:54 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_6fb83b97_6f653d0f$663af582" Resent-Message-ID: <"0_P-c.0.So1.Tej2v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14103 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_6fb83b97_6f653d0f$663af582 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed If these babies can share the love then maybe we loopers can too. 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I loop to my children and they are loving human beings....6 of them... there I'm on topic............Om and Out Papa Dave ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------=_NextPart_000_6fb83b97_6f653d0f$663af582 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Return-path: Received: from mta1.snfc21.pbi.net (mta1-pr.snfc21.pbi.net) by sims1.snfc21.pbi.net (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.2000.01.05.12.18.p9) with ESMTP id <0FTB00MJFNIYFT@sims1.snfc21.pbi.net> for adprisk@sims-ms-daemon; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 08:40:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zinc.netstop.net ([209.85.118.127]) by mta1.snfc21.pbi.net (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.2000.01.05.12.18.p9) with ESMTP id <0FTB00LGNNILD9@mta1.snfc21.pbi.net> for adprisk@sims1.snfc21.pbi.net; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 08:39:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.208] (adsl-63-194-11-202.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net [63.194.11.202]) by zinc.netstop.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA08454; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 08:29:06 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 08:19:34 -0700 From: Claudia Stevenson Subject: Check this out! 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LAA21314; Sat, 29 Apr 2000 11:37:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 11:37:26 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 11:20:06 EDT Subject: Re: OT: Audio CD-R vs. Data CD-R To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 32 Resent-Message-ID: <"zF19P2.0.or4.Htl2v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14105 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > Audio labeled CDRs. Well I heard the 'Audio only' CD-Rs were preformatted in some way. for use in standalone CD recorders. I use a PC system, currently with cheapish discs and no problems. (except where I wrote at 4x instead of 2x, and even then the only problem was that one player couldn't read the index data, though it played the CD) (once I had to clean the lens on a player) For best results you want a WORM writer, that is one that can't use CD-RW . (eg TEAC CDR 55s), this will improve compatibility. For better results it's probably worth investing in 'pro-quality' CDR blanks. gold for archival permanance silver for compatibility. Andy Butler Lexicon Vortex Database http://members.aol.com/soundfnr/vortex.htm From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Apr 29 11:24:25 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA20191; Sat, 29 Apr 2000 11:24:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 11:24:25 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <57.4ff1e64.263c57a8@aol.com> Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 11:20:08 EDT Subject: Re: Is it possible to sync Vortex to EDP? To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 32 Resent-Message-ID: <"pqJxO1.0.Mr4.Ctl2v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14104 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > When sync=out, the echoplex sends out a pulse from the BeatSync jack in the > back. The pulse is sent at the startpoint of the loop. Perhaps you could > use this pulse to trigger the vortex tap tempo jack? > > I have no idea if it will work, but I'd be plenty interested in finding out! What's the BeatSync O/P like? Wouldn't it have to be a -VE going pulse to make the Vortex think the switch had been hit? Andy Butler Lexicon Vortex Database http://members.aol.com/soundfnr/vortex.htm From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Apr 29 12:41:02 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA26286; Sat, 29 Apr 2000 12:41:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 12:41:02 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <390B0FF3.3FB9399A@fuse.net> Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 12:38:11 -0400 From: Mike Georgin X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: general digital recording query References: <003f01bfb18f$32cd0580$0100005a@ne.mediaone.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------D8725E0D017569B2D1E74814" Resent-Message-ID: <"z3Ye_3.0.2N6.20n2v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14107 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com --------------D8725E0D017569B2D1E74814 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey Peter, I've got a VS-880 EX that I love. It's very portable so I can multi-track a lot of my live shows. I'm sure that some folks get hung up on Roland's data compression -it doesn't bother me that much. On the other hand, I just finished having a record that I produced, mixed on the stripped down version of Pro Tools and that program is simply amazing! There's lots you can do on that program that the Vs-880 would find hard to do. However, You need a really fast Mac and tons of RAM ( 500 megs preferably ). And , it's not very portable. My two cents........ Mike www.mikegeorgin.com Peter Shindler wrote: > Sorry to distract y'all from the Napster and "can chicks loop?" threads > (both of which I'm enjoying immensely, keep it coming), but here's something > that's on my mind. > > I've just been introduced to the world of digital recording by a friend > who's letting me borrow his Roland VS-840 Digital Workstation. I've been > having a blast playing around with it, especially mixing-and-matching my own > guitar loops and noises with Acid and FruityLoops drum sounds. However, it > occurred to me that most of the cut-and-paste functions I've been messing > with would be much easier if the whole process was done on my PC. So now > I'm considering buying a package like Cakewalk, and I'm wondering: Is a > program like that really comparable to a stand-alone recording unit? What > does the Roland do that a good software program cannot? And aside from > Cakewalk, what other programs should I be checking out? > > Thanks. I'm sure I'm asking the right people (just keep it clean!). > > Peter --------------D8725E0D017569B2D1E74814 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey Peter,
I've got a VS-880 EX that I love. It's very portable so I can multi-track a lot of my live shows. I'm sure that some folks get hung up on Roland's data compression -it doesn't bother me that much.
    On the other hand, I just finished having a record that I produced, mixed on the stripped down version of Pro Tools and that program is simply amazing! There's lots you can do on that program that the Vs-880 would find hard to do. However, You need a really fast Mac and tons of RAM ( 500 megs preferably ). And , it's not very portable.
    My two cents........
    Mike
    www.mikegeorgin.com

Peter Shindler wrote:

Sorry to distract y'all from the Napster and "can chicks loop?" threads
(both of which I'm enjoying immensely, keep it coming), but here's something
that's on my mind.

I've just been introduced to the world of digital recording by a friend
who's letting me borrow his Roland VS-840 Digital Workstation.  I've been
having a blast playing around with it, especially mixing-and-matching my own
guitar loops and noises with Acid and FruityLoops drum sounds.  However, it
occurred to me that most of the cut-and-paste functions I've been messing
with would be much easier if the whole process was done on my PC.  So now
I'm considering buying a package like Cakewalk, and I'm wondering:  Is a
program like that really comparable to a stand-alone recording unit?  What
does the Roland do that a good software program cannot?  And aside from
Cakewalk, what other programs should I be checking out?

Thanks.  I'm sure I'm asking the right people (just keep it clean!).

Peter

--------------D8725E0D017569B2D1E74814-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Apr 29 12:30:48 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA25289; Sat, 29 Apr 2000 12:30:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 12:30:48 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <003101bfb1f8$6abcff40$97310140@concentric.net> From: "Larry Tremblay" To: References: <000d01bfb1a8$9bbed460$30310140@concentric.net> Subject: Re: Gear sale Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 12:31:47 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"L7PZc1.0.b76.Nsm2v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14106 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sorry... Damn. I hate it when I do that. - Larry T ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Tremblay" To: Sent: Saturday, April 29, 2000 3:00 AM Subject: Re: Gear sale > David, I might want the Mackie 1202. Will know in two days. > Can ya wait? > > Thanks, > - Larry > > > Before I go to Harmony Central, I'd like to run this list past my loop > > friends. Going the software route, can use the bucks. > > > > Home studio items for sale, all mint, original boxes and manuals, pedals > > never even stepped on, prices plus COD Fed Ex: > > > > Mackie 1202-VLZ PRO, 8 mo. old. The best of its kind. Cost $370. Price > > $290 (plus $22 ship) > > Boss VF-1 multiprocessor, 5 mo. old. Half rack unit, incredible. Cost > > $400. Price $320 (plus $17 ship) > > Waldorf 4 Pole filter unit, 3 mo. old. What am I, nuts? Filter madness. > > Cost $450. Price $380 (plus $17 ship) > > Lexicon Reflex, 18 mo. old. Does stuff the new MPX's don't, nice unit. > > Cost $280 at blowout. Price $175 (plus $15 ship) > > Akai Headrush delay/looper, 6 mo. old. Fripperpedal. Cost $180. Price > > $120 (plus $12 ship) > > (Two) Zoom 2100 floor effects units, 6 mo. old. Many effects plus great > > looping capabilities. Cost $150-$100 (blowout), now discontinued. Price > > $85 each (plus $15 ship) > > Boss PS-3 pitch shifter/delay pedal, 1 yr old. Cost $150. Price $70 > (plus > > $12 ship) > > Boss MT-2 Metal Zone pedal, 1 yr. old. Cost $95. Price $50 (plus $12 > ship) > > > > Thanks all. > > > > David Myers > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Apr 29 13:11:27 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA28654; Sat, 29 Apr 2000 13:11:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 13:11:27 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <004501bfb1fd$e2ad6580$97310140@concentric.net> From: "Larry Tremblay" To: References: <7b.36c3712.263c3162@aol.com> Subject: Re: Female Loopers? Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 13:10:56 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"zLj6N3.0.hx6.5Rn2v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14108 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com JP - It was me who compared AKASH with the Tubes and Fluxus, et al. Interestingly you mentioned Camille Paglia, who is brilliant and whom I enjoy reading. My wife thinks she's cool. In fact, I thought of Camiile while I was reading your description of AKASH - the whole (tired?) porn-chic thing set down by Camille *years ago*. Don't get me wrong, I think women should get in touch with their inner Slut-Goddess. ;) I suppose there's really nowhere else to go with 'shock', so maybe a Dada attempt to recapitulate to the mainsteam is all thats left. Just seems...what's the word, trendy? Not exactly. Maybe self-conscious. There's a passage from Helmholtz regarding aesthetics which says it better: "Whenever we see that conscious reflection has acted in the arrangement of the whole, we find it lacking." 'Man fuhlt die Absicht, und man wird verstimmt.' (We feel the purpose, and it jars upon us.) Again, I haven't seen or heard AKASH, yet I seem to have been able to nail the schtick dead on just by "feeling the purpose". No offense. I'm just pointing out the tendency of an agenda to swamp the music. But that might be your intention for all I know. It might be great fun. :) Such a damn curmugeon sometimes, - Larry T ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, April 29, 2000 8:36 AM Subject: Re: Female Loopers? > In a message dated 4/28/00 1:26:44 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > reverendrob@realm-of-shade.com writes: > > << I hate "fans." I really do. >> > > & boy oh boy, you seem to have a propensity to vomit if an agenda is not in > line with your agenda. That seems to say that u must have a lot of hostility > or a digestive problem young man :) I know just the cure for that > mindset...LOL > > I know that as a looping male geetar player, I react with over-analysis > paralysis whenever anyone points out that i have a tendancy to gravitate > toward the perspective that how i am and how i do things is who i am > regardless as to whether or not i am inclusive or exclusive. I have a > tendancy to immediately offer an in depth break down of how my thoughts are > processed and finalized focusig on me, me me & more me. > > I have also come to accept how much slime men are and continue to be ...u too > must accept this "herstorical' truth and submit with exceptional PC grace > and guilt- GRIN! > > & I do know the women & men in AKASH are out to get chicks so we are guilty > of that rock n roll myth/stereotype but can you really call us cock > rockers...i wont go down there.....:-) > > But I think im the only person in AKASH other than the drummer who would be > aware of Flexxus and The Tubes...definitely not our vibe though u can draw a > number of evolutionary parallels from them to what we do today but that is > not quite our game. > > Pornography and blatent sexuality be it erotica or intended to be gratuitous > and graphic and or distasteful imagery is very very very chic right now and > more mainstream than ever among more women than ever. > > We also find porn and loops go hand and hand - no puns intended and have done > so for years in the scope of film and video. it was a natural combination to > make. we just make it so matter of fact that I dont think there really is any > shock value we (dah band ) get out of indulging porn or using porn publicly > as a backdrop to loops. it is nothing new the music & porn thang but it is an > extension of the way we all lead our lives as individuals apart from the band. > > and if T&A were the common denominator and the entertainment factor were the > only thing we had going as an act, people woulda been gone say 2 yrs > ago...cuz u can only shock so much and reveal so much until it becomes > boring... > > AKASH walks a lot of lines and starts off and remains outside a lot of things > but it is always inside the realm of what it needs to be. > > But secretly everyone in AKASH has developed & perfected clones of > themselves. > > just try to think of them clones as little mini mees running amuck in coffee > shops to heckle all those slimey, male geetar playas with lotsa loop gear who > play really exclusive and very introspective soundscapes. BTW, Next week we > are targeting stick players and folks with no exposure to Camille Paglia's > writings...look out cause the mini mees are coming to get you ! > > & Music does not have to be good or sincere or even well executed for a band > or individual to be successful or well received. > > to be successful & make $$$ at playing music you need to be derrivative, have > the ability for many different outlets of commerce to co-brand your image and > music and have lots of people wanna be like you. & having teenaged girls talk > about u in chat rooms will boost record sales too ...we aim for that moment > where we can be on the cover of Teeny Bop Sensation Mag & Ms Magazine. > > And of course women read books & women dig porn and hang out in coffee shops > too...but i have noticed gals are not really into guys that are so into > themselves and their gizmo gadgets as much as the dudes who can make it seem > like that the book they have in their hands is being read especially for them > or the men who can make their gadgets work in areas that hit closer to shall > we say a deeper feminine perspective. > > ( BTW, I should know about women cuz im in a band and i go to borders but i > tend to like books with pictures ... the ones with staples in em...i read em > more so for the pics than the words :) > > AKASH wants to be the dominator of all things that are curmudgingly yours too > Reverend... regardless of like and dislike which seems to have a strong hold > on you. > > A little fun and a lot of seduction plus a williness to not be ghettoized or > relgated to a so called community where other people think loop musicians > should be or look / sound and act like is what i was getting at in my first > post along with reasons why women are tuned off to the loop music in general > ( not absolute ) and it was speculation on observations..pure subjective > speculation that i like to call an opinion :) > > & BTW, I'm located in dwntwn Philly. > > This is a loopey town that is rich with lots of very good and a number of > very bad musians just like anywhere in a major metro city. and just like > anywhere else, Philly has the eternal problem of too few places to play and > perform matched against the number of musicians available and interested in > performing and playing. > > i would also say the only loop oriented show in Philly where I actually saw a > fair turn-out of women was when David Torn played at a Stars end gathering at > UPENN in 98; ummm, i think it was in 98...but i'm sure there are other philly > loopers on the list who were at that show who have better momories than this > one here. > > Sorta related here is that another band I play with did a bill with JFK's LSD > UFO last year @ pi-lam in west philly (im the geetar slinger for temple of > Bon Matin). > > we were all very impressed by the drum work and loop work the female drummer > laid out ( andre was killa too ) ..very very very tastey stuff and very > powerful seeing a female drummer and one that was looping really cool > "waveforms". > > Nowadays u do see more women dj's ( trance/drum n bass ) who are doing loopey > things w/ delay pedals that are kinda cool but there are no women in Philly > that are looping to my knowledge in the gear heavy manner me and all the > other boys do ( bear in mind my knowledge of philly's local scene is > admittedly very limited concerning detals on whos other than this being > roots, josh wink and king britt country ). > > Here in philly, loop music is almost always relegated to the realm of the > experimental...and i hate that definition but not to the point of > vomiting...so i choose to define or redefine myself in ways that are of my > choice & need. & that is sorta just like a lot of other loop musicians who > are doing things loop related in their own necessary ways. > > my other point was that the affectionately dubbed status quo i referred to > were not really doing anything other than perprtuating themselves and their > gear exhibition upon people/their communities ( not necessarily a bad > thing...but definitely not my thang and imho never is it musical but defining > what is musical is like saying u have a blanket definition for what makes > something a work of art - good luck analyzing that one ). > > Since when was ambition and inclusiveness such a hard thing to swallow ? ... > > The answer depends on how you define those 2 words and execute the so called > agenda :) > > Regards, > JP > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Apr 29 13:45:46 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA32180; Sat, 29 Apr 2000 13:45:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 13:45:46 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.e-net.com.br (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <001701bfb19e$196287a0$8f368218@we.mediaone.net> References: <20000428173821.15832.qmail@web121.yahoomail.com> <001701bfb19e$196287a0$8f368218@we.mediaone.net> Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 14:47:48 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Is it possible to sync Vortex to EDP? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <"7a0F52.0.Uk7.txn2v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14109 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > > I just tried it: my BeatSync pulse is too short for the Vortex. :-( > > 8ms is pretty short. I just increased it to 40ms and it worked! Cliff wonders: >How did you increase the time? I changed a constant in the soft. You would like that, too, huh? We are not far from the upgrade, but since we are not shure to do the mod in general and you want to test it now, I found another solution for you: Make a cable with any diode in series and a 2 MF cap to ground: | | | /| | / | EDP ----------|/ |--------------------- VORTEX |\ | | | \ | | | \| | | | ------- ----------- | | | | / |/ / / The parts fit into an ordinary 1/4" connector. ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Apr 29 13:48:09 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA32338; Sat, 29 Apr 2000 13:48:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 13:48:09 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.e-net.com.br (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3909F2D6.3E5D07BC@ppi2pass.com> References: <01bfb143$f7ea0ee0$73c44e0c@Wroswick.uvm.edu> <3909F2D6.3E5D07BC@ppi2pass.com> Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 14:47:48 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: The family that loops together... Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <"_qxa63.0.ak7.txn2v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14110 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >I am in love with a looper! Met her a little while ago in Yahoo personals. >True story. I did a keyword search on "Eno" and boom! There she was. We met >at SFMOMA and it was love at first sight. On our third date she >took me to see >Tom Verlaine do music for silent movies, so of course I was hooked for life. > >Ahhhh one day I long to say these words to my children (male or female) "Fade >out of that loop and come to dinner!" > >I am a truly lucky man. > I am deeply impressed... ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Apr 29 13:59:16 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA00591; Sat, 29 Apr 2000 13:59:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 13:59:16 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.e-net.com.br (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 14:47:48 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: RE: Napster Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <"m68KJ2.0.0l7.-xn2v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14111 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >Hot damn! Then it wasn't Kim who said that. Who was it? I think it was >Matthias. I said what?? Forget it. > > | -----Original Message----- > | From: Kim Flint [mailto:kflint@ati.com] > | Sent: Friday 28 April 2000 8:51 PM > | To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > | Subject: RE: Napster > | > | > | > | No, that's not what I say at all. In fact, statements like that > | are a pet > | peeve of mine as a list manager... > ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Apr 29 14:43:21 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA04332; Sat, 29 Apr 2000 14:43:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 14:43:21 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhRHdWNlvoJrapItX+I5a0KeMjUi7gIUX4rpWvi1V2/QgKdfrQnOrZ/HxBE= From: jordanpease@webtv.net (Jordan Pease) Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 11:40:43 -0700 (PDT) To: mayers@gibson.com, loopers-delight@annihilist.com Subject: Fwd: Re: EDP Tutorial Video Message-ID: <22023-390B2CAB-13098@storefull-118.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary=WebTV-Mail-489-7144 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Resent-Message-ID: <"_7ZGh.0.801.joo2v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14113 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com --WebTV-Mail-489-7144 Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit --WebTV-Mail-489-7144 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Message/RFC822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhRAi31OOerTrgdCP90n2oSY3hvaZQIVAKCDIJvon38V76K7/bMEOoWd1EZQ From: jordanpease@webtv.net (Jordan Pease) Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 11:37:37 -0700 (PDT) To: matthias@grob.org (Matthias Grob) Cc: mayers@gibson.cm Subject: Re: EDP Tutorial Video Message-ID: <22025-390B2BF1-5997@storefull-118.iap.bryant.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: Matthias Grob 's message of Sat, 29 Apr 2000 14:47:48 -0300 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary=WebTV-Mail-29251-3418 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) --WebTV-Mail-29251-3418 Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Matthis- Thanks for your e-mail. Sounds like Kim isn't ready to commit too much to a project like this, unfortunately. I don't think that expecting Gibson to take this on is too far fetched. Especially if enough people bug them about it. I'm beginning to see two ways this can go: Gibson, or somebody else with money, authority and interest, does a really professional production (graphics, scripted, comprehensive, etc.). [What about other third party production houses who have already done similar projects ?] Or LD people do a no-budget, home-grown show-and-tell kind of thing that covers more ground than just the EDP (like has already been discussed). I want to see both happen, actually, but think option one is a bit more realistic and ultimately useful, maybe. I would volunteer some time to do the order fulfillment function, but that's the only area of this project that I am really qualified to do. The most important element is finding the right guy(s) with the skill and know-how with the EDP. Another reason why this is maybe best left up to Gibson. Is that just a pipe dream ? Glad you're thinking about this. -Jordan --WebTV-Mail-29251-3418 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Message/RFC822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Received: from mailsorter-101-6.iap.bryant.webtv.net (209.240.198.40) by storefull-118.iap.bryant.webtv.net with WTV-SMTP; Sat, 29 Apr 2000 10:43:28 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from ajax.e-net.com.br (ajax.e-net.com.br [200.194.249.10]) by mailsorter-101-6.iap.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-f/ms.dwm.v7+dul2) with ESMTP id KAA05959 for ; Sat, 29 Apr 2000 10:43:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [200.194.252.48] (modem34.e-net.com.br [200.194.252.48]) by ajax.e-net.com.br (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA02575; Sat, 29 Apr 2000 14:44:07 -0300 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.e-net.com.br (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 14:47:48 -0300 To: Kim Flint From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: EDP Tutorial Video Cc: "Larry Tremblay" , "David Potter" , "X-ray" , jordanpease@webtv.net (Jordan Pease), rich Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Kim said: >I was half joking really. But I'm curious what you include in the cost >there, because I really have no idea about a project like this. You guys >seemed to know something about the subject, so I'm just asking you direct >rather than bother the whole list with it. > >Is that $10k just the cost of producing it? Does that include duplication >and media costs? packaging, printing, shipping? (I'd imagine we would want >to make 1-2000 copies.) I guess the user would pay for his copy, so at least these direct cost could be covered, I think. >Travel costs to get whoever the instructors are to >the same place where the equipment and producers are? (for example, maybe >Matthias flies up from Brazil, or david torn flies in from new york or >whatever.) I dont think that there should be any traveling. Each contribution is filmed by people around the contributor. Bad filming does not enter the final cut. >And somebody needs to manage the whole thing, which I guess >must be everything from writing the script and coordinating the crew to >editing to taking orders, stuffing envelopes, and driving to the post >office a lot. How big of a job is that? I'm guessing it's more than a >saturday afternoon, but how much more? Does this guy need to be retired or >independently wealthy so he doesn't need to quit his day job to do it all? That would be like an Editor, right? Well, we had CD projects working out right, this one is not that different. The first step could be that each one does his thing and sends it to the Editor. He selects and cuts out parts that are clearly repetition from several contributors. Then comes the dificult step: We dont just want to give ideas but really explain how it works. So we have to figure out what is lacking and complete. Maybe it takes a person with skills in teaching to figure out a good way to make things understandable. And I think demonstrating musicians is not enough, it takes some graphics to make it clear. So ideally, this teacher has a computer where he can do animated graphics (PowerPoint...) Done this filming, it goes back to the editor who does the final order like: - and introduction, showing to anyone how looping is fun and flexible - the basics, theory, fundamental functions - applications, each one shows his tricks and style Then the final thing could go to Gibson for the distribution, no? Unless someone whants to do that, too... The question of wanting money from Gibson or doing it freely is delicate. Maybe the best is to start out freely and when it grows to a something impressive and needs money to finish, look for Gibson and negociate. ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org --WebTV-Mail-29251-3418-- --WebTV-Mail-489-7144-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Apr 29 15:10:05 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA06805; Sat, 29 Apr 2000 15:10:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 15:10:05 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <390B2994.15112229@inreach.com> Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 11:27:33 -0700 From: eric X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Is it possible to sync Vortex to EDP? References: <20000428173821.15832.qmail@web121.yahoomail.com> <001701bfb19e$196287a0$8f368218@we.mediaone.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"n2has1.0.po.Sco2v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14112 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hello Matthias, I, for one, would really love the ability to sync my vortex to my EDP - I hope you do include the change in the software. If it's not possible I'd love to make the cable that would do it - though I'm not at all experienced with electronics (at least the part that goes on inside these wonderful boxes). Just to be clear - by the way - are you saying that if you make this special cable (or the software gets modified) then you can connect a cable from the beatsync out of the EDP to the tap tempo jack of the Vortex and the vortex will read it as if it's being tapped once at every cycle start (thus constantly updating it's tempo)? thanks, eric Matthias Grob wrote: > > > I just tried it: my BeatSync pulse is too short for the Vortex. :-( > > > 8ms is pretty short. I just increased it to 40ms and it worked! > > Cliff wonders: > > >How did you increase the time? > > I changed a constant in the soft. You would like that, too, huh? > We are not far from the upgrade, but since we are not shure to do the > mod in general and you want to test it now, I found another solution > for you: > > Make a cable with any diode in series and a 2 MF cap to ground: > > | | > | /| > | / | > EDP ----------|/ |--------------------- VORTEX > |\ | | > | \ | | > | \| | > | | ------- > ----------- > | > | > | > | / > |/ > / > / > > The parts fit into an ordinary 1/4" connector. > > ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Apr 29 15:19:45 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA07414; Sat, 29 Apr 2000 15:19:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 15:19:45 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <005901bfb20e$71a18400$15011eac@CIRDAN> From: "Michael LaMeyer" To: References: <003f01bfb18f$32cd0580$0100005a@ne.mediaone.net> Subject: Re: general digital recording query Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 15:09:28 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Resent-Message-ID: <"KvWZC2.0.Th1.4Fp2v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14114 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Peter, It doesn't sound like you're going to want Cakewalk for digital audio, it's primarily a MIDI sequencer for sythesizers (which it's fine at). If you have Acid and you're comfortable with that, Sonic Foundry also a multi-tracker called Vegas. However, it has functionality you might not want or need. You can check out www.harmony-central.com and check out the demos in the software section for a broad idea of what's out there. The shareware music machine also has a number of these: www.hitsquad.com/smm/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Shindler" To: Sent: Friday, April 28, 2000 11:58 PM Subject: general digital recording query > Sorry to distract y'all from the Napster and "can chicks loop?" threads > (both of which I'm enjoying immensely, keep it coming), but here's something > that's on my mind. > > I've just been introduced to the world of digital recording by a friend > who's letting me borrow his Roland VS-840 Digital Workstation. I've been > having a blast playing around with it, especially mixing-and-matching my own > guitar loops and noises with Acid and FruityLoops drum sounds. However, it > occurred to me that most of the cut-and-paste functions I've been messing > with would be much easier if the whole process was done on my PC. So now > I'm considering buying a package like Cakewalk, and I'm wondering: Is a > program like that really comparable to a stand-alone recording unit? What > does the Roland do that a good software program cannot? And aside from > Cakewalk, what other programs should I be checking out? > > Thanks. I'm sure I'm asking the right people (just keep it clean!). > > > Peter > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Apr 29 16:49:32 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA14580; Sat, 29 Apr 2000 16:49:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 16:49:32 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 13:43:36 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Stuart Fox Subject: Open reel looper's trick Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <"iYIxT1.0.GS3.0cq2v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14115 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I would like to pass along an old analog tape loopers trick which I haven't seen used or mentioned in about 20 years. To handle very long loops of tape, just spool it loose directly into a large paper shopping bag. The tape must drop vertically in loose folds and is pulled out from the bottom through the top of the bag. The bag should be a foot or two below the tape deck in order to allow any tangles to fall out naturally by gravity. I seems impossible, but it works like a charm. Stuart At 12:13 AM +0000 4/25/2000, J.G. Wong wrote: >I use a telescoping aluminum arm that has a spare guide from the machine >I am using. For longer loops I use a microphone stand with a guide >affixed to the top. >Using a replacement guide is easier on the machine and tape and gives >more consistent results. > >G. Wong > >I'm surprised no one has mentioned it, but one of the easiest ways to >make a >"looping fixture" on an open-reel machine is to simply build a wood face >(probably plywood) around the machine, then use push - pins (y'know, the >ones with the barrel-like upper parts) to extend the tape outwards from the >deck. Least that's how I did it when I was a boy. >Douglas Baldwin, Alpha male Coyote, the Trickster >dbaldwin@suffolk.lib.ny.us Stuart Fox Director-CalArts Guitar Program sgfox @music.calarts.edu From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Apr 29 18:00:56 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA20247; Sat, 29 Apr 2000 18:00:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 18:00:56 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Jprice01@aol.com Message-ID: <6b.39bf45e.263cade8@aol.com> Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 17:28:08 EDT Subject: Re: Female Loopers? To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 105 Resent-Message-ID: <"5NVvK2.0.TJ4.CGr2v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14116 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 4/29/00 1:11:50 PM Eastern Daylight Time, ltct@concentric.net writes: << Again, I haven't seen or heard AKASH, yet I seem to have been able to nail the schtick dead on just by "feeling the purpose". No offense. I'm just pointing out the tendency of an agenda to swamp the music. But that might be your intention for all I know. It might be great fun. :) >> u got it :) From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Apr 29 20:52:09 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA32448; Sat, 29 Apr 2000 20:52:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 20:52:09 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <00a001bfb23e$b8cb2220$a183abd4@h2v6p1> From: "luca" To: References: <003f01bfb18f$32cd0580$0100005a@ne.mediaone.net> <390B0FF3.3FB9399A@fuse.net> Subject: R: general digital recording query Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 02:29:59 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0061_01BFB24B.FAF1B8A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <"u0eOf2.0.np7.4Bu2v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14117 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0061_01BFB24B.FAF1B8A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have bought a Vs-840 ex (250 Mb Zip) almost a years ago thinking to = solve the big problem to understand which kind of software it would be = the best to buy remaining in the same price range of it (I payed for it = around 1.200 $). I thought it was hard to set up my pc with a good software, an added = hard disk, and the analog/digital converter ( I am using guitars and no = midi). Plus, with Zips I can make an archive of my tunes and have always the = chance to remix them in the time. I know the editing power of Vs-840 is limited and I would like to have = more, but I thought that was the best solution at that time. Any suggestions ? Luca ------=_NextPart_000_0061_01BFB24B.FAF1B8A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I have bought a Vs-840 ex (250 Mb Zip) = almost a=20 years ago thinking to solve the big problem to understand which kind of = software=20 it would be the best to buy remaining in the same price range of it (I = payed for=20 it around 1.200 $).
I thought it was hard to set up my pc = with a good=20 software, an added hard disk, and the analog/digital converter ( I am = using=20 guitars and no midi).
Plus, with Zips I can make an archive = of my tunes=20 and have always the chance to remix them in the time.
I know the editing power of Vs-840 is = limited and I=20 would like to have more, but I thought that was the best solution at = that=20 time.
Any suggestions ?
Luca
------=_NextPart_000_0061_01BFB24B.FAF1B8A0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Apr 29 23:41:57 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA13642; Sat, 29 Apr 2000 23:41:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 23:41:57 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <005001bfb255$ebee71e0$3f996dcb@music> From: "Simon Kean" To: References: <003f01bfb18f$32cd0580$0100005a@ne.mediaone.net> <005901bfb20e$71a18400$15011eac@CIRDAN> Subject: Re: general digital recording query Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 13:40:18 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <"K93f7.0.d93.Vgw2v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14118 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Just a personal recommendation on this thread. I use my PC as a Digital Audio Workstation, but don't need MIDI/Sequencing functionality, and use Cool Edit Pro 1.2. I like the simplicity and the layout. Plus I like the fact it doubles as a sound file or track editor and has multitrack window, all within the click of an Icon. Also supports DX plugins which works for me. Just my $0.02. Cheers Simes ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael LaMeyer To: Sent: Sunday, April 30, 2000 5:09 AM Subject: Re: general digital recording query > Peter, > > It doesn't sound like you're going to want Cakewalk for digital audio, it's > primarily a MIDI sequencer for sythesizers (which it's fine at). If you > have Acid and you're comfortable with that, Sonic Foundry also a > multi-tracker called Vegas. However, it has functionality you might not > want or need. You can check out www.harmony-central.com and check out the > demos in the software section for a broad idea of what's out there. The > shareware music machine also has a number of these: www.hitsquad.com/smm/ > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Peter Shindler" > To: > Sent: Friday, April 28, 2000 11:58 PM > Subject: general digital recording query > > > > Sorry to distract y'all from the Napster and "can chicks loop?" threads > > (both of which I'm enjoying immensely, keep it coming), but here's > something > > that's on my mind. > > > > I've just been introduced to the world of digital recording by a friend > > who's letting me borrow his Roland VS-840 Digital Workstation. I've been > > having a blast playing around with it, especially mixing-and-matching my > own > > guitar loops and noises with Acid and FruityLoops drum sounds. However, > it > > occurred to me that most of the cut-and-paste functions I've been messing > > with would be much easier if the whole process was done on my PC. So now > > I'm considering buying a package like Cakewalk, and I'm wondering: Is a > > program like that really comparable to a stand-alone recording unit? What > > does the Roland do that a good software program cannot? And aside from > > Cakewalk, what other programs should I be checking out? > > > > Thanks. I'm sure I'm asking the right people (just keep it clean!). > > > > > > Peter > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Apr 30 04:11:40 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA04405; Sun, 30 Apr 2000 04:11:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 04:11:40 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 00:52:29 -0700 From: Kim Flint Subject: Echoplex goes bananas, or vice versa To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"b1A0w3.0.0k.1R-2v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14119 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com a website visitor informs me that the music store Bananas at Large in San Rafael, CA currently has echoplexes in stock, for those looking for one. Bananas is a nice store, they supported this crazy looping stuff from the beginning and stocked OB echoplexes when nobody else would. here's some details: >From: "Terry Tungjunyatham" >To: kflint@annihilist.com >Subject: Echoplex is now on sale!!! > >Hi Kim, > >I just recieved a call from Rik Elswit from the music store called "Bananas >at Large" that they have GIBSON Echoplex (which is exactly identical to late >Oberheim Echoplex)in stock and ready for shipment. I have not buy it yet >but I will soon. The price I'm not sure but it could be shipped with the >memory expansion board. > >Rik's e-mail is rik@bananas.com and his phone number is 415-457-7600. >Their website is www.bananas.com > >Kim if you have time please spread the words on your website. I'll bet that >there will be lots and lots of happy loopers out there that would be >delighted to hear it. > >I'll keep you posted for further info. > >terry t. > > ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Apr 30 04:41:28 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA06496; Sun, 30 Apr 2000 04:41:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 04:41:28 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <390B2994.15112229@inreach.com> References: <20000428173821.15832.qmail@web121.yahoomail.com> <001701bfb19e$196287a0$8f368218@we.mediaone.net> <390B2994.15112229@inreach.com> Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 05:45:28 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Is it possible to sync Vortex to EDP? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <"ed_ek1.0.jX1.i4_2v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14120 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >Hello Matthias, >I, for one, would really love the ability to sync my vortex to my EDP - I >hope you do include the change in the software. go ahead and then tell us... >If it's not possible I'd love to make the cable that would do it - though >I'm not at all experienced with electronics (at least the part that goes on >inside these wonderful boxes). you will find someone, its really a simple thing. >Just to be clear - by the way - are you saying that if you make this special >cable (or the software gets modified) then you can connect a cable from the >beatsync out of the EDP to the tap tempo jack of the Vortex and the vortex >will read it as if it's being tapped once at every cycle start (thus >constantly updating it's tempo)? exactly. I did it here, it works. ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Apr 30 06:23:37 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA13580; Sun, 30 Apr 2000 06:23:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 06:23:37 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <000201bfb28d$5af4f8c0$189cb8d4@oemcomputer> From: L.Angulo@t-online.de (Luis Angulo) To: References: <003f01bfb18f$32cd0580$0100005a@ne.mediaone.net> <390B0FF3.3FB9399A@fuse.net> Subject: Re: general digital recording query Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 11:57:00 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Sender: 320086123907-0001@t-dialin.net Resent-Message-ID: <"sr8nW2.0.GG3.zY03v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14121 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sorry could you guys develop more on this I also owe a VS 840 but i never experimented with music computer programs. I just got the Cool Edit pro 1.0 is this a good music program? Am i supposed to then record on my PC what i´ve recorded in the VS 840?How could i then record extra guitar tracks do i need a special patch bay for the PC or how do you input your guitar to it? Sorry for my ignorance but it would be great if you guys could help me out a bit I appreciate it! Luis Hey Peter, I've got a VS-880 EX that I love. It's very portable so I can multi-track a lot of my live shows. I'm sure that some folks get hung up on Roland's data compression -it doesn't bother me that much. On the other hand, I just finished having a record that I produced, mixed on the stripped down version of Pro Tools and that program is simply amazing! There's lots you can do on that program that the Vs-880 would find hard to do. However, You need a really fast Mac and tons of RAM ( 500 megs preferably ). And , it's not very portable. My two cents........ Mike www.mikegeorgin.com Peter Shindler wrote: Sorry to distract y'all from the Napster and "can chicks loop?" threads (both of which I'm enjoying immensely, keep it coming), but here's something that's on my mind. I've just been introduced to the world of digital recording by a friend who's letting me borrow his Roland VS-840 Digital Workstation. I've been having a blast playing around with it, especially mixing-and-matching my own guitar loops and noises with Acid and FruityLoops drum sounds. However, it occurred to me that most of the cut-and-paste functions I've been messing with would be much easier if the whole process was done on my PC. So now I'm considering buying a package like Cakewalk, and I'm wondering: Is a program like that really comparable to a stand-alone recording unit? What does the Roland do that a good software program cannot? And aside from Cakewalk, what other programs should I be checking out? Thanks. I'm sure I'm asking the right people (just keep it clean!). Peter From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Apr 30 12:36:07 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA06657; Sun, 30 Apr 2000 12:36:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 12:36:07 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <390CD8BA.A05D77D6@vtx.ch> Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 18:07:06 -0700 From: Claude voit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com CC: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Is it possible to sync Vortex to EDP? References: <20000428173821.15832.qmail@web121.yahoomail.com> <001701bfb19e$196287a0$8f368218@we.mediaone.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"q8S7h1.0.tQ1.Kq53v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14122 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Matthias Grob wrote: > Make a cable with any diode in series and a 2 MF cap to ground: > > | | > | /| > | / | > EDP ----------|/ |--------------------- VORTEX > |\ | | > | \ | | > | \| | > | | ------- > ----------- > | > | > | > | / > |/ > / > / > > The parts fit into an ordinary 1/4" connector. sorry Mathias I can solder but thats all... can you comment on the parts (cap type ; microF or miliF and where are the + & - on the diagram this mod looks great thanks Claude From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Apr 30 13:01:45 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA08639; Sun, 30 Apr 2000 13:01:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 13:01:45 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <390CE0E0.D3B1F990@vtx.ch> Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 18:41:52 -0700 From: Claude voit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com CC: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: EDP alternative to vol pedal [a DIY idea} References: <38FCC960.F05D4CA3@vtx.ch> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"xAo3B1.0.mx1.tK63v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14123 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Matthias Grob wrote: > > Claudes proposual: > > >With my pmc 10 I'm handling my edp's feedback through 5 switches on the > >pmc's top row > > hm... smart... > > >those five switches send 5 different cc values that give me instant > >feedback value inc/decrease presets > > dont you hear the sudden change of FB in the loop afterwards? thats what I want for a sudden change of volume of the loop at a certain beat/measure of the loop with the switch presets it can be sudden and exact ------on the same topic but never published--------- One of the ideas I didnt throw at you because it came too late for the future soft the reduce command a quantized/or not command that would send the loop a certain vol notch in the background this operation is done once on the entire loop/cycle same as an instant feedback reduction without playing during exactly one loop from the funct push (undo heaven) certainly the OverdubReduce command commes in handy to make some space for the overdub; and in one pass !!! BTW why didnt you ever think of a quantized overdub acting exactly as the rec function you push the function and have the punch in/out done at loop/cycle boundaries is it because you dont like too much square music ? I disgress back on the topic > >I really like the way it works but it takes 5 switches of the pmc only > >for that > > > >Was thinking: > > > >how a bout a simple circuit that would replace the edp feedback > >expression pedal > > what is so bad about it? nothing at all; its just faster and more precise (time and amount wise) for more structured tunes than the soundscape wishiwash I still have a vol ped engaged for continuous fdb control though > > >with a set of 5 switches that would emulate 5 fixed values > >the 5 values would be preset with trim pots and the switches would > >toggle through the values > > certainly possible, but once you start doing such effort, wouldnt it > be smarter to use just two swiches: up/down ? eh.. no, because if I want a 50% redux I'll have to pedal down or up several times ----resulting in steps > >a 6th switch could repatch a real vol pedal for fades etc... > > > >If all this is possible I would drill holes on my edp footswitch to > >implement those feedback preset switches 2-3 cm over the existing ones > > great > > >The main problem is I'm not an electronic engineer so I hav'nt a clue of > >how and if this could be done > > Could be done with 2-3 CMOS ICs. There might even be a specific IC > doing exactly this. > They probably could be fed by the EDP through the switch line, since > they use very little power. > A perfect student exercise :-) I'll be the student if you draw the schematics I could pay some for the ehancement it would bring Take care Claude From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Apr 30 14:43:29 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA17156; Sun, 30 Apr 2000 14:43:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 14:43:29 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <00a401bfb2d2$b2f462a0$9183abd4@h2v6p1> From: "luca" To: References: <003f01bfb18f$32cd0580$0100005a@ne.mediaone.net> <005901bfb20e$71a18400$15011eac@CIRDAN> <005001bfb255$ebee71e0$3f996dcb@music> Subject: R: general digital recording query (for Simon Kean) Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 19:30:31 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <"_S9AR2.0.au3.7i73v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14124 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com How many analog inputs do you use ? Do you use an additional H.disk? Luca ----- Original Message ----- From: Simon Kean To: Sent: Sunday, April 30, 2000 5:40 AM Subject: Re: general digital recording query > Just a personal recommendation on this thread. I use my PC as a Digital > Audio Workstation, but don't need MIDI/Sequencing functionality, and use > Cool Edit Pro 1.2. I like the simplicity and the layout. Plus I like the > fact it doubles as a sound file or track editor and has multitrack window, > all within the click of an Icon. Also supports DX plugins which works for > me. > > Just my $0.02. > > Cheers > > Simes > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Michael LaMeyer > To: > Sent: Sunday, April 30, 2000 5:09 AM > Subject: Re: general digital recording query > > > > Peter, > > > > It doesn't sound like you're going to want Cakewalk for digital audio, > it's > > primarily a MIDI sequencer for sythesizers (which it's fine at). If you > > have Acid and you're comfortable with that, Sonic Foundry also a > > multi-tracker called Vegas. However, it has functionality you might not > > want or need. You can check out www.harmony-central.com and check out > the > > demos in the software section for a broad idea of what's out there. The > > shareware music machine also has a number of these: www.hitsquad.com/smm/ > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Peter Shindler" > > To: > > Sent: Friday, April 28, 2000 11:58 PM > > Subject: general digital recording query > > > > > > > Sorry to distract y'all from the Napster and "can chicks loop?" threads > > > (both of which I'm enjoying immensely, keep it coming), but here's > > something > > > that's on my mind. > > > > > > I've just been introduced to the world of digital recording by a friend > > > who's letting me borrow his Roland VS-840 Digital Workstation. I've > been > > > having a blast playing around with it, especially mixing-and-matching my > > own > > > guitar loops and noises with Acid and FruityLoops drum sounds. However, > > it > > > occurred to me that most of the cut-and-paste functions I've been > messing > > > with would be much easier if the whole process was done on my PC. So > now > > > I'm considering buying a package like Cakewalk, and I'm wondering: Is a > > > program like that really comparable to a stand-alone recording unit? > What > > > does the Roland do that a good software program cannot? And aside from > > > Cakewalk, what other programs should I be checking out? > > > > > > Thanks. I'm sure I'm asking the right people (just keep it clean!). > > > > > > > > > Peter > > > > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Apr 30 20:09:10 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA07601; Sun, 30 Apr 2000 20:09:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 20:09:10 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: Subject: RE: general digital recording query Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 16:51:24 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 In-Reply-To: <000201bfb28d$5af4f8c0$189cb8d4@oemcomputer> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <"2VEeC.0.kT1.cQC3v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14125 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com My personal opinion of protools is that it doesn't live up to the hype, unless you fork over the money for all hardcore hardware, which is seriously overpriced. I barely use Protools other than to import projects that come from other studios into other programs. I beleive there is a version of Logic Audio Platinum which interfaces directly with the VS series recorders, allowing you to control and edit your work on your computer, using your VS's hardware. You should definitely check it out - Logic is the sequencer of choice for most serious professionals, and it would allow you to interace smoothly with the hardware you already have. bIz -----Original Message----- From: Luis Angulo [mailto:L.Angulo@t-online.de] Sent: Sunday, April 30, 2000 2:57 AM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: general digital recording query Sorry could you guys develop more on this I also owe a VS 840 but i never experimented with music computer programs. I just got the Cool Edit pro 1.0 is this a good music program? Am i supposed to then record on my PC what i´ve recorded in the VS 840?How could i then record extra guitar tracks do i need a special patch bay for the PC or how do you input your guitar to it? Sorry for my ignorance but it would be great if you guys could help me out a bit I appreciate it! Luis Hey Peter, I've got a VS-880 EX that I love. It's very portable so I can multi-track a lot of my live shows. I'm sure that some folks get hung up on Roland's data compression -it doesn't bother me that much. On the other hand, I just finished having a record that I produced, mixed on the stripped down version of Pro Tools and that program is simply amazing! There's lots you can do on that program that the Vs-880 would find hard to do. However, You need a really fast Mac and tons of RAM ( 500 megs preferably ). And , it's not very portable. My two cents........ Mike www.mikegeorgin.com Peter Shindler wrote: Sorry to distract y'all from the Napster and "can chicks loop?" threads (both of which I'm enjoying immensely, keep it coming), but here's something that's on my mind. I've just been introduced to the world of digital recording by a friend who's letting me borrow his Roland VS-840 Digital Workstation. I've been having a blast playing around with it, especially mixing-and-matching my own guitar loops and noises with Acid and FruityLoops drum sounds. However, it occurred to me that most of the cut-and-paste functions I've been messing with would be much easier if the whole process was done on my PC. So now I'm considering buying a package like Cakewalk, and I'm wondering: Is a program like that really comparable to a stand-alone recording unit? What does the Roland do that a good software program cannot? And aside from Cakewalk, what other programs should I be checking out? Thanks. I'm sure I'm asking the right people (just keep it clean!). Peter