From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Mar 1 00:03:02 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA06298; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 00:03:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 00:03:02 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: pvallad1@tampabay.rr.com Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990105051003.00a7bb70@pop-server> X-Sender: pvallad1@pop-server X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1999 05:10:03 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: D-beam (light-beam) In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"iZiu82.0.rt.WAAlu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12537 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 08:41 AM 2/29/00 -0800, you wrote: >Hey Papa... These guys have a full midi controller product range of >light, tough and sound sensitive sensors integrated into a system. >I've drooled over possible applications of these pups for the last >year, but alas, won't have cash for that kind of stuff for a good >while. You may as well be the guinea pig for this stuff as well! 8-) >I'm gonna have to get back down to your place for some playing and >demo-ing of your latest level of gear integration! > >Bestest... >-Miko > >Infusion Systems web site.... > >http://www.infusionsystems.com/products/ Definitely one of the favorite 3rd-party companies by users of Max when I was on the Max list (yep, I still have my copy of Max - even have the $99 upgrade card though I'm not sure if Opcode or Cycling74 will honor it anymore). Anyway, I'm always interested in hearing about how people find ways to perform electronic music in an almost theatrical manner using sensors like these to detect their movements, like that woman from Mills College who used the velvet glove (yep, the same that I mentioned in a post while back for which I got flamed for my alleged ignorance of women musicians :)). Paolo From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Mar 1 01:43:32 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA16403; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 01:43:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 01:43:32 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38BCAB4B.8AE4DDBD@erols.com> Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2000 01:32:01 -0400 From: "J.G. Wong" Reply-To: adaaxs@erols.com Organization: Tokusatsu.com, Tokusatsu Access Archive X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: analogue@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: odds and ends FS References: <20000229181823.4242.qmail@hyperreal.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"8CqIu3.0.6-2.HWBlu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12538 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi all, A few more items from me and my friends. I'm not posting prices for gear that is not mine this time. I'll pass along offers and referrals. Yamaha SPX 90 DrumKat (original model) EMU Proteus 1 Yamaha 8 channel mixer Akai R8 (4 speed tube reel to reel, speakers, big heavy, nice) Sony PCM F1 w /Anvil case 3 NP 1 bricks Roland GM 70 Casio CZ 1000 Rhodes 73 Stage piano (only local, freight way too much) SSM 2056 IC (one chip adsr) $ 40 (wil trade for trimpots, opamps etc.. really) 10 Japanese Fools Mate (in Japanese) ATT Loopers !! If I owe anybody a free tape machine, email me, I got them in (Serge is sold , good luck) Best Fiveman From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Mar 1 14:18:24 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA12345; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 14:18:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 14:18:24 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <79.1db3c4e.25eebf3f@aol.com> Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 13:45:19 EST Subject: Re: New Lexicon Reverb...MPX 500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 32 Resent-Message-ID: <"P20vT1.0.ew6.fLMlu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12539 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 29/02/00 08:56:58 GMT Standard Time, swoods@comcen.com.au writes: > The question about reverb quality is answered. > The reverbs are not the same as the MPX 1 > they are the same as the MPX 100. As far as I can gather, the reverbs on the MPX100 use the same algorithms (more or less) as some of Lexicons best efforts so far. The cost of an algorithm( = software ) is all in developement, so Lexicon would have no reason to use a "cheaper" algorithm. However it doesn't have the pro- quality hardware around it (no XLRs etc) so it doesn't sound quite as good as the top range units. Andy B From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Mar 1 15:15:59 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA30180; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 15:15:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 15:15:59 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38BD7311.2D5D5173@ppi2pass.com> Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2000 11:44:19 -0800 From: Mark Sottilaro Reply-To: msottilaro@ppi2pass.com Organization: PPI X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: D-beam/Woman in velvet glove References: <3.0.6.32.19990105051003.00a7bb70@pop-server> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"edXGh.0.5m4.DDNlu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12540 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I've had the honor of working with the woman with the velvet glove. Her name is Latittia Samone. She teaches a class in digital/music/audio at the San Francisco art institute. I recently attended one of her shows and it was great. She designed and built the glove herself, and uses it to control software written by Steim. The next time she plays (in the SF bay area) I'll let you all know about it. Her shows are a must see. As she wouldn't agree to make me a data glove, (How dare she! ;-)) I have to say that the D-beam has got my attention. Has any of you actually used either of the two Roland products in a live situation? When I visited their website, I was almost ready to write a check right then! Are they as great as they sound? The demo link on the site was a dead link. If anyone at Roland is on this list, give that webmaster a kick in the ass. While I'm on the topic, if anyone from Korg is on the site, just take the Korg site off the web, it's just embarrassing. pvallad1@tampabay.rr.com wrote: > At 08:41 AM 2/29/00 -0800, you wrote: > >Hey Papa... These guys have a full midi controller product range of > >light, tough and sound sensitive sensors integrated into a system. > >I've drooled over possible applications of these pups for the last > >year, but alas, won't have cash for that kind of stuff for a good > >while. You may as well be the guinea pig for this stuff as well! 8-) > >I'm gonna have to get back down to your place for some playing and > >demo-ing of your latest level of gear integration! > > > >Bestest... > >-Miko > > > >Infusion Systems web site.... > > > >http://www.infusionsystems.com/products/ > > Definitely one of the favorite 3rd-party companies by users of Max when I > was on the Max list (yep, I still have my copy of Max - even have the $99 > upgrade card though I'm not sure if Opcode or Cycling74 will honor it > anymore). > > Anyway, I'm always interested in hearing about how people find ways to > perform electronic music in an almost theatrical manner using sensors like > these to detect their movements, like that woman from Mills College who > used the velvet glove (yep, the same that I mentioned in a post while back > for which I got flamed for my alleged ignorance of women musicians :)). > > Paolo -- Mark Sottilaro Professional Publications, Inc. 1250 Fifth Ave, Belmont CA 94002 Multimedia Production E-mail: msottilaro@ppi2pass.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Mar 1 16:18:23 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA23107; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 16:18:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 16:18:23 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Sender: r_t_cummings@compuserve.com Message-ID: <38BD1F90.22B3DED2@compuserve.com> Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2000 14:48:00 +0100 From: Cummings X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [de] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: ripp torn References: <1.5.4.32.20000227204409.00675d8c@pop.pipeline.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"kmsxV3.0.JG.2iNlu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12541 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com thanks a lot christine, go ahead and make me look like a hypocrite ... ;-) RIGHT! ... he has used a jamman in the past and i heard that he's plays a solo on junior drums in his duo w. doug wimbush ... he does processing with various fx and uses the kaoss pad a lot ... ... oh boy do i feel stupid now, almost like a guitarist ... :-) i also get the impression that he changes his setup on a regular basis, i guess those living colour royalties don't do any harm. :-D tschuess, rob p.s. are you looping with e.s.p.? Christine Bard schrieb: > > > > >Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 11:35:07 +0100 > >From: Cummings > >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > >Subject: Re: torn vs. fripp > > > > >guitarists ... oh no!! ;-) > > > >seriously, you guys are the biggest hero worshippers out there. > >i mean do you see any of us drummers chewing up bandwidth with details > >of will calhouns looping gear? > > > >get a life you guys ;-) > > > >all in good fun, > >rob > > > > Which reminds me.... I was just about to ask... > > Did anyone get to see what Will Calhoun uses and how well it works? > > I couldn't see the show at the KF. > > Truly, > > C Bard > > Christine Bard > 0~>~<>~><~<>~<~0 > > I replaced the headlights in my car with strobe lights. > Now it looks like I'm the only one moving. > -Steven Wright > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Mar 1 18:33:45 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA13694; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 18:33:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 18:33:45 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: alex@cliff.pixar.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <79.1db3c4e.25eebf3f@aol.com> Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 14:46:54 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Alex Stahl Subject: Re: New Lexicon Reverb...MPX 500 Resent-Message-ID: <"YbHgz.0.HD7.IvPlu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12542 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 10:45 AM -0800 3/1/00, SoundFNR@aol.com wrote: >IThe cost of an algorithm( = software ) is >all in developement, so Lexicon would have no reason to >use a "cheaper" algorithm. That's not always true in general. A more elaborate algorithm might not run on a slower DSP chip inside a cheaper piece of hardware, or it might require more memory, etc. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Mar 1 18:39:58 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA15050; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 18:39:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 18:39:58 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38BDA6A3.D81A4D9C@ppi2pass.com> Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2000 15:24:20 -0800 From: Mark Sottilaro Reply-To: msottilaro@ppi2pass.com Organization: PPI X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: While I was away... (echoplex?) References: <1.5.4.32.20000227204409.00675d8c@pop.pipeline.com> <38BD1F90.22B3DED2@compuserve.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"2qTqA1.0.jj2.TRQlu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12543 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hey all, I've been away from the list for a while, but when I last was subscribing, there was all kinds of talk about Gibson re releasing the Echoplex. Don't tell me... it didn't happen. Did it? Did anyone release a looping device that synchs to MIDI like the Echoplex, or the JamMan? Have we been totally forgotten by the music industry? What's a little frightening to me is that I've developed a way of playing that totally relies on a piece of gear that just isn't made anymore. (I'm sure that writing this has psychically beamed a message to my cat to destroy my JamMan) Scary, eh? -- Mark Sottilaro Professional Publications, Inc. 1250 Fifth Ave, Belmont CA 94002 Multimedia Production E-mail: msottilaro@ppi2pass.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Mar 1 23:16:02 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA10724; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 23:16:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 23:16:02 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: pvallad1@tampabay.rr.com Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000301230814.00a7e400@pop-server> X-Sender: pvallad1@pop-server X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2000 23:08:14 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: D-beam/Woman in velvet glove In-Reply-To: <38BD7311.2D5D5173@ppi2pass.com> References: <3.0.6.32.19990105051003.00a7bb70@pop-server> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"dRskz2.0.ap1.4aUlu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12545 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 11:44 AM 3/1/00 -0800, Mark Sottilaro wrote: >I've had the honor of working with the woman with the velvet glove. Her name >is Latittia Samone. She teaches a class in digital/music/audio at the San >Francisco art institute. I recently attended one of her shows and it was >great. She designed and built the glove herself, and uses it to control >software written by Steim. The next time she plays (in the SF bay area) I'll >let you all know about it. Her shows are a must see. Yes, she is the one. I saw her at UCSD's CRCA performance space. I was studying interactive music for independent research credit and my adviser strongly recommended I see her show as a standout example of interactive computer music. Afterwards, she was very generous with her time as I pestered her with questions about her show (e.g. "Did that really happen to you or were you telling someone else's story?") and equipment. The brain of her setup was a Powerbook running an incredibly complex Max patch. She built the glove because she wanted something more feminine than the Mattel toy gloves being used by other interactive music folks. Nowadays, one could build something very similar using I-Cube components (made by the company previously mentioned on this thread), maybe with even more features as they offer not only sensors that measure movement but also sensors that can measure other things like your body heat. >As she wouldn't agree to make me a data glove, (How dare she! ;-)) I have to >say that the D-beam has got my attention. Has any of you actually used >either of the two Roland products in a live situation? When I visited their This doesn't really count, but I fooled around with the SP808 at a music shop. Lots of fun, especially with the D-beam. Somebody did express concerns about what if there were cigarette smoke interfering with the beam. :) Paolo From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Mar 1 22:34:40 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA25051; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 22:34:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 22:34:40 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38BE09EB.1E5B3BC1@fuse.net> Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2000 22:27:55 -0800 From: Mike Georgin X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Looped Trumpet (was Re: torn vs. fripp) References: <20000225015719.10798.qmail@web3401.mail.yahoo.com> <3.0.5.32.20000225061321.007abd40@pop.ici.net> <38B816ED.85B5FEAE@inreach.com> <38B8BE7B.5DB5784F@virtulink.com> <004b01bf819b$237530e0$1e4badce@concentric.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------4A5E78294164CB795F2CB8EC" Resent-Message-ID: <"s2Xd91.0.tl5.g_Tlu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12544 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com --------------4A5E78294164CB795F2CB8EC Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello all, I am a bass player who uses an EDP to perform live shows and I'm interested in any info about the Roland Groove Boxes ( the 303 and the 505 ). I'd like to find something that will sync to the EDP; being a bass player, I'm not as up on my MIDI info as some of you nice folks out there. I guess I could use a drum machine, but these groove boxes seem so much cooler. Does anyone out there use one of these to control their looper? Thanks, Mike Georgin --------------4A5E78294164CB795F2CB8EC Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello all,
I am a bass player who uses an EDP to perform live shows and I'm interested in any info about the Roland Groove Boxes ( the 303 and the 505 ). I'd like to find something that will sync to the EDP; being a bass player, I'm not as up on my MIDI info as some of you nice folks out there. I guess I could use a drum machine, but these groove boxes seem so much cooler. Does anyone out there use one of these to control their looper?
   Thanks,   Mike Georgin
 
  --------------4A5E78294164CB795F2CB8EC-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Mar 2 00:24:48 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA12539; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 00:24:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 00:24:48 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38BDA5A0.30AA057F@texas.net> Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2000 23:20:02 +0000 From: Bobdog/Doghouse Audio Laboratory X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: OT - Mini-Disc help Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"T7xJT3.0.vJ2.idVlu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12546 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com hi all - i've just picked up a sony minidisc walkman model mz-r30 & am having a problem. i can't find the manual (i know the fella i got it from gave me one, but...) & need to find out if there is a trick for setting the mic input levels other than the 2 position switch (high/low) on the back.the lamest of mics overloads it the way it's set now even in the low setting. thanks, bobdog From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Mar 2 02:21:59 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA31508; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 02:21:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 02:21:59 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Sender: rob@rosy.yourwebhost.com Message-ID: <38BE159C.44FD306A@wxs.nl> Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 08:17:48 +0100 From: Robert van der Kamp X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.12-20 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: OT - Mini-Disc help References: <38BDA5A0.30AA057F@texas.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"64X0W1.0.Xw6.TIXlu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12547 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Bobdog/Doghouse Audio Laboratory wrote: > hi all - > > i've just picked up a sony minidisc walkman model mz-r30 & am having a > problem. > > i can't find the manual (i know the fella i got it from gave me one, > but...) & need to find out if there is a trick for setting the mic input > levels other than the 2 position switch (high/low) on the back.the > lamest of mics overloads it the way it's set now even in the low > setting. > > thanks, > > bobdog Uhm, long time ago. Set the device in record and pause. Now change the record input level with the next and prior buttons, i believe. Can't remember correctly, but until someone who really knows posts the correct procedure, you can try this. ;-) There is also a way to set the machine in mono record mode, allowing twice the record time! Robert From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Mar 2 03:20:35 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA27041; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 03:20:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 03:20:35 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <000f01bf841f$021beb60$0200f7a5@s5r0o3> From: "Judson Crane" To: References: <38BDA5A0.30AA057F@texas.net> <38BE159C.44FD306A@wxs.nl> Subject: Re: OT - Mini-Disc help Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 03:12:08 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <"ePb8a1.0.Z86.qDYlu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12548 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com While holding the pause button press and hold the record button for 3 seconds. The words "manual record" should appear on the LCD. Now use the track advance buttons to set the level. Sometimes I have to do it a few times to get it to work. Judson ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert van der Kamp To: Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2000 2:17 AM Subject: Re: OT - Mini-Disc help > Bobdog/Doghouse Audio Laboratory wrote: > > > hi all - > > > > i've just picked up a sony minidisc walkman model mz-r30 & am having a > > problem. > > > > i can't find the manual (i know the fella i got it from gave me one, > > but...) & need to find out if there is a trick for setting the mic input > > levels other than the 2 position switch (high/low) on the back.the > > lamest of mics overloads it the way it's set now even in the low > > setting. > > > > thanks, > > > > bobdog > > Uhm, long time ago. > Set the device in record and pause. > Now change the record input level with the > next and prior buttons, i believe. Can't remember > correctly, but until someone who really knows > posts the correct procedure, you can try this. ;-) > > There is also a way to set the machine in mono > record mode, allowing twice the record time! > > Robert > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Mar 2 06:08:49 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA23958; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 06:08:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 06:08:49 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.20000302115406.00908850@mail.dragonet.es> X-Sender: d3055@mail.dragonet.es X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 11:54:06 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, stickwire-l@netcom.com, taptalk@progrock.net, dcoffin@taunton.com, dennis@mdbs.com, subversive@mindspring.com, Crossedout@aol.com, gnominus@earthling.net, rauboto@dragonet.es, mattdavignon@hotmail.com, jparada@pop.interport.net, gregmer@microsoft.com, kungha@earthlink.net, tcn62@ici.net, alan_i@sprynet.com, evening@ulster.net, murkie@panther.middlebury.edu, mbiffle@svg.com, km15@cornell.edu, patrick@his.com, PJBMHB@aol.com, David.Orton@mail.bl.uk, malhomme@vete.ucl.ac.be, mhl21@columbia.edu, tcweller@purity.com, c.voit@vtx.ch, rswitzer@721.com, tianmus@aracnet.net, Josh@tiki-lounge.com From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Ra=FCl?= Bonell =?iso-8859-1?Q?Tom=E0s?= Subject: non related content: S/PDIF Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by rosy.yourwebhost.com id FAA20122 Resent-Message-ID: <"T2gSP1.0.gw4.TUalu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12550 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com hi friends ! Assistence would be gratefully accepted ! I own a soundcard, that has optical and coaxial S / PDIF digital input / output. I think these siglas means Sony Philips Digital Interface (?). Does anyone know what differences exist between this and other common coaxial digital input / ouputs ? Are they physical or just another protocol ? May anyone has any experience about recording on DAT's or minidisc's and passing the info. using these sort of digital interfaces to the computer ? Also, could you advise me about some, not too expensive, DAT or minidiscs, that would do the trick ? Any thoughts on the SCMS and this configuration ? Also, domestic units equiped with S / PDIF in / out 's would permit to lead the dig. info. to the hard disk in the computer? Thanks in advance, and excuse my poor level in english. RBT, p.s. 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In-reply-to: <38BDA6A3.D81A4D9C@ppi2pass.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <1.5.4.32.20000227204409.00675d8c@pop.pipeline.com> <38BD1F90.22B3DED2@compuserve.com> Resent-Message-ID: <"kZ06A1.0.Dx5.LWZlu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12549 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 3:24 PM -0800 3/1/00, Mark Sottilaro wrote: >Hey all, > >I've been away from the list for a while, but when I last was subscribing, >there was all kinds of talk about Gibson re releasing the Echoplex. Don't >tell me... it didn't happen. Did it? Did anyone release a looping device >that synchs to MIDI like the Echoplex, or the JamMan? Have we been totally >forgotten by the music industry? Gibson moved the Echoplex to their Trace-Elliot division, who has production in full swing. They were showing units at NAMM last month, and I believe they are just starting to ship the first ones off that line to dealers now. The backorder list is huge though, so they'll be gone as soon as the dealers get them. You might want to get on that list if you want to get one any time soon! kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Mar 2 08:34:14 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA14339; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 08:34:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 08:34:14 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Hawkeye255@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 08:15:56 EST Subject: Re: D-beam/Woman in velvet glove To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 66 Resent-Message-ID: <"srvxx3.0.yP2.wcclu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12551 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com << This doesn't really count, but I fooled around with the SP808 at a music shop. Lots of fun, especially with the D-beam. Somebody did express concerns about what if there were cigarette smoke interfering with the beam. :) >> The SP-808 has sensitivity adjustments for it's two D-Beams for sources of unintentional triggering--smoke, stage lights, etc. hawkeye From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Mar 2 13:58:14 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA03102; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 13:58:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 13:58:14 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000302185100.11301.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [212.21.88.130] From: "amos elmaliah" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: the trumpet Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 10:51:00 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"WrySf3.0.ZD.zWhlu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12553 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com A looped horn is a beautiful thing. Check out Chet Baker on the new archive release by Terry Riley, Music for the Gift, (organ of corti 1). It seems like looped trumpet started here! There's also some looped sax on some old Terry Riley recordings, I think. I need a new needle for my turn table. guys, maybe you should check out the hagans\belden new (not that new though) realese of kinda beaches brew version over d&b. guitaris's rosenwibnkel amazing new concept of a jazz giutar sound and drummer's kilson playing with the programed drums. it's not a looping though but it is a new new sound we all should be aweare of (all of us, as far as i know,would appriciate and love hearing something new commnig for the inastetutionalized blue not foundation.) anyway the production's real amazing, for me anyway, and the hole idea of jazz improvisation over more modern musical platform is so new and intewresting ... ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Mar 2 14:18:15 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA10052; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 14:18:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 14:18:15 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Jmash789@cs.com Message-ID: <3e.16cb916.25f0162f@cs.com> Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 14:08:31 EST Subject: Alt. Midi Controllers To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: CompuServe 2000 32-bit sub 24 Resent-Message-ID: <"M1B1R1.0.HV1.Lnhlu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12554 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Here's a good link to new sound controllers: http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Lab/7055/hardware.html J Mash From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Mar 2 13:59:09 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA03298; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 13:59:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 13:59:09 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000302185100.91945.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [212.21.88.130] From: "amos elmaliah" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: the trumpet Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 10:51:00 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"BNSY51.0.1D.rWhlu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12552 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com A looped horn is a beautiful thing. Check out Chet Baker on the new archive release by Terry Riley, Music for the Gift, (organ of corti 1). It seems like looped trumpet started here! There's also some looped sax on some old Terry Riley recordings, I think. I need a new needle for my turn table. guys, maybe you should check out the hagans\belden new (not that new though) realese of kinda beaches brew version over d&b. guitaris's rosenwibnkel amazing new concept of a jazz giutar sound and drummer's kilson playing with the programed drums. it's not a looping though but it is a new new sound we all should be aweare of (all of us, as far as i know,would appriciate and love hearing something new commnig for the inastetutionalized blue not foundation.) anyway the production's real amazing, for me anyway, and the hole idea of jazz improvisation over more modern musical platform is so new and intewresting ... ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Mar 2 15:20:16 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA07794; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 15:20:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 15:20:16 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000302200526.49203.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [212.21.88.130] From: "amos elmaliah" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: New Lexicon Reverb...MPX 500 Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 12:05:26 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"shv8h1.0.l47.hcilu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12555 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com loopers, pedro... i am thinking about buying one, but i donow what Sould be better, a used mpx1 for around 500$ or the new mpx500 unit for 700$. i basicly love the user friendly features on the 500, they realy inpress me, and inspires me since i want it only for live stuff. after checking out the mpx 1 in the store today i can't realy tell you that i got even a basic idea about the difference between these two units... it seems like the mx500 is designed for more for a concept of live music in which the unit serves more as an instument, going from mix's auxout to seperat mix channel(s) and effect the texture much more,than the mpx1 as a passive send return thing. in the 500, the accesability of the parameters is impressive, but i donow if basicly i can do the same with the mpx 1 through a midi bord. ?????????? does someone know something about it ? i like the the daul fature too. i did'nt try it yet but as far as i understood you can basicly use it as two seperat monos for for two different signals. i am thinking of getting it and it's gonna be my first reverb processor. being my first processor, i have doubts thinking about mybe getting less expensive mpx 100... in general i can say that i like more cutting sound like dely and don't like the idea of reverb, for pad-ing i would use normaly an infinite delay loop of a volume controled chord from my guitar. but i feel right now a neccesiy for a wider and more compex underlyere sounds. the thing is that the 500 serves as a substitution for a analog rotary and tremolo sound as well as a looper(small tie but better than the mpx1) a good reverb sound... dual processing. am0as;9)- ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Mar 2 16:34:13 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA11489; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 16:34:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 16:34:13 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <001401bf848d$4b4f0bf0$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: Subject: Re: Alt. Midi Controllers Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 16:21:36 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"M1MS91.0.is1.bnjlu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12556 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thanks! This link is very informative. BTW: I know this question has been asked before, but I can't recall the answer. Is there a PC-based version of MAX available? Are there MAX users on our list? Can you tell me more? Dennis Leas ----------------------------- dennis@mdbs.com -----Original Message----- From: Jmash789@cs.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Thursday, March 02, 2000 3:45 PM Subject: Alt. Midi Controllers > >Here's a good link to new sound controllers: > >http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Lab/7055/hardware.html > >J Mash > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Mar 2 17:31:31 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA00838; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 17:31:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 17:31:31 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: alex@cliff.pixar.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <001401bf848d$4b4f0bf0$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 14:23:33 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Alex Stahl Subject: Re: Max (was Alt. Midi Controllers) Resent-Message-ID: <"qx7-k.0.2p7.afklu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12558 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >BTW: I know this question has been asked before, but I can't recall the >answer. >Is there a PC-based version of MAX available? The Windows port of Max is in early alpha testing. I would imagine it'll take a while. www.cycling74.com is the URL for Max. >Are there MAX users on our list? I confess. >Can you tell me more? I don't want to start another one of those silly hardware vs. software flame wars, but I will toot the Max horn loud enough to say that it helped me develop a program that features multiple 3-minute long quadrophonic loops, the ability to play loops back at different speeds (including reverse) while still recording into them, the ability to play sequences of loop fragments back in various ways while still recording into the loop, granular loops as long as your yard, etc. Quad looping is especially fun if the loop itself has four channels, as opposed to quad-panning the output of a mono loop. With this configuration one can pan each phrase differently, AND cross patch the feedback paths so that each loop repeat comes out rotated 90 degrees. Whiplash! In all fairness it took me three years to write this patch, although my excuse is I also have a 2-year old daughter and a day job at Pixar, so it probably could have gone a lot faster. I'm planning some performances with the system this year; I'll post more info at some point. -Alex Stahl "The difference between theory and practice is that, in theory, there is no difference" From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Mar 2 17:33:47 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA01038; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 17:33:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 17:33:47 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <000401bf8494$88ba4c00$0525fed8@swirlee.speakeasy.org> From: "Jan P" To: Subject: Re: Alt. Midi Controllers Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 14:13:26 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"rBsO-2.0.kr6.PTklu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12557 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com cycling 74 is working on a windows version.. they will be going into beta testing soon. if you get on the max list [go to www.cycling74.com and go to the support page and get to the max mailing list] you can volunteer for that program. as of next week im starting work on looping tools under maxmsp, with the intention of making them opensource and portable to as many stable lowlatency audio platforms as possible.. boooooo-sk2 in lake'ch %^*# -jan -----Original Message----- From: Dennis W. Leas To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Thursday, March 02, 2000 1:32 PM Subject: Re: Alt. Midi Controllers >Thanks! This link is very informative. > >BTW: I know this question has been asked before, but I can't recall the answer. >Is there a PC-based version of MAX available? > >Are there MAX users on our list? Can you tell me more? > >Dennis Leas >----------------------------- >dennis@mdbs.com > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Jmash789@cs.com >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Date: Thursday, March 02, 2000 3:45 PM >Subject: Alt. Midi Controllers > > >> >>Here's a good link to new sound controllers: >> >>http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Lab/7055/hardware.html >> >>J Mash >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Mar 2 19:11:11 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA05498; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 19:11:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 19:11:11 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Pedro Felix" To: Subject: Re: New Lexicon Reverb...MPX 500 Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 19:04:12 -0600 Message-ID: <01bf84ac$632873a0$10f34e0c@Wroswick.uvm.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"wJT681.0.6w7.b7mlu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12559 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Amos, i'm not sure where home is for you, but if you're in the states you should be able to score a MPX 500 for $499 or thereabouts, which is what I paid at Sam Ash in NYC. Now $500 for a used MPX1, that's a pretty nice deal if you can swing it, though at the same price I would still go with the MPX 500, mainly due to the accessibility and ease of parameter changes from the front panel. Midi: i'm running my 500 with a Lake Butler Sound RFC-1 Midi Miditgator (anyone else still use these? and man what the hey happened to that company?), and did not get to fool with the MPX1's midi options, but i'm pretty sure they'd be righteous,...ahh,... that it to say they should be just as easy to access as is the case with the 500. As to buying the MPX100, I have to beg ignorance, having never twiddled its dials. I hope some of this helps, Pedro -----Original Message----- From: amos elmaliah To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Thursday, March 02, 2000 3:22 PM Subject: Re: New Lexicon Reverb...MPX 500 > >loopers, pedro... > >i am thinking about buying one, but i donow what From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Mar 2 19:13:02 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA05739; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 19:13:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 19:13:02 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38BF0192.9A9A31A8@pop.agri.ch> Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2000 01:04:34 +0100 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Jes=FAs=20Turi=F1o?= Reply-To: j-turino@pop.agri.ch Organization: i45 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [de] (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: de,es MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Max (was Alt. Midi Controllers) References: Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------1D5B99FFD0CE8A5F5CC55DFA" Resent-Message-ID: <"X8s0H2.0.cR.H8mlu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12560 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Dies ist eine mehrteilige Nachricht im MIME-Format. --------------1D5B99FFD0CE8A5F5CC55DFA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Alex Stahl schrieb: > >BTW: I know this question has been asked before, but I can't recall the > >answer. > >Is there a PC-based version of MAX available? > > The Windows port of Max is in early alpha testing. I would imagine it'll > take a while. > www.cycling74.com is the URL for Max. > > >Are there MAX users on our list? > > I confess. > > >Can you tell me more? > > I don't want to start another one of those silly hardware vs. software > flame wars, but I will toot the Max horn loud enough to say that it helped > me develop a program that features multiple 3-minute long quadrophonic > loops, the ability to play loops back at different speeds (including > reverse) while still recording into them, the ability to play sequences of > loop fragments back in various ways while still recording into the loop, > granular loops as long as your yard, etc. Quad looping is especially fun if > the loop itself has four channels, as opposed to quad-panning the output of > a mono loop. With this configuration one can pan each phrase differently, > AND cross patch the feedback paths so that each loop repeat comes out > rotated 90 degrees. Whiplash! But how can i do that in a live situation? I need bouth hands to play. Don't misunderstand me, i have nothing against the max. > > > In all fairness it took me three years to write this patch, although my > excuse is I also have a 2-year old daughter and a day job at Pixar, so it > probably could have gone a lot faster. I'm planning some performances with > the system this year; I'll post more info at some point. > > -Alex Stahl > "The difference between theory and practice is that, in theory, there is no > difference" --------------1D5B99FFD0CE8A5F5CC55DFA Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="j-turino.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Visitenkarte fŸr Jesœs Turi–o Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="j-turino.vcf" begin:vcard n:Turińo ;Jesús tel;fax:+41 41 761 33 91 (G) tel;home:+41 41 210 39 69 tel;work:+41 41 761 26 42 x-mozilla-html:FALSE url:www.i45.ch org:i45 Zug adr:;;Waldstätterstrasse 16;Luzern;Luzern;6003;Switzerland version:2.1 email;internet:j-turino@pop.agri.ch x-mozilla-cpt:;1 fn:Jesús Turińo end:vcard --------------1D5B99FFD0CE8A5F5CC55DFA-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Mar 2 21:28:10 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA20468; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 21:28:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 21:28:10 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000302201905.04f504d0@pop.interaccess.com> X-Sender: ths@pop.interaccess.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 20:19:05 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tom S Subject: Re: New Lexicon Reverb...MPX 500 In-Reply-To: <20000302200526.49203.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"5-20l.0.qU4.L6olu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12561 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi Amos, I've got the MPX100, and it certainly has a lot of bang for the buck. You can usually find them used on Ebay these days for $150 or so. The reverbs are pretty nice in it, and there are a few that are outstanding. I don't think of the MXP100 as having too much in the way of adjustability for the reverbs, certainly not to the same level as the MPX1 or PCM70/80/90 series. I've played around with the PCM90, it seems like such a nice box, but at such a tremendous cost. The MPX-1 seems like a nice box, and the price continues to drop. I like the idea of the MXP-1, but really have been looking for a dedicated reverb. The main reverb I use is from my G-Force unit, that has very excellent reverbs and I use the box for the quality of the sound. You might also want to check out the new Roland reverb unit, the SRV-3030. It's about $500 for the non-digital version and I think about $750 with the digital I/O. I was checking that out at a local Guitar Center and that's a very nice unit. It has a lot to offer if you want to use it live, since to me, it seemed to be laid out very nicely to adjust various reverb parameters. Of course, it's a Roland so you'd have to get past their owner's manual! :-o Good luck on your search, Amos. Tom At 12:05 PM 3/2/00 PST, you wrote: > > > >loopers, pedro... > >i am thinking about buying one, but i donow what >Sould be better, a used mpx1 for around 500$ or the new mpx500 unit for >700$. >i basicly love the user friendly features on the 500, they realy inpress me, >and inspires me since i want it only for live stuff. > >after checking out the mpx 1 in the store today i can't realy tell >you that i got even a basic idea about the difference between these two >units... >it seems like the mx500 is designed for more for a concept of live >music in which the unit serves more as an instument, going from mix's auxout >to seperat mix channel(s) and effect the texture much more,than the mpx1 as >a passive send return thing. > >in the 500, the accesability of the parameters is impressive, but i donow if >basicly i can do the same with the mpx 1 through a midi bord. ?????????? >does someone know something about it ? > >i like the the daul fature too. i did'nt try it yet but as far as i >understood you can basicly use it as two seperat monos for for two different >signals. > >i am thinking of getting it and it's gonna be my first reverb processor. >being my first processor, i have doubts thinking about mybe getting less >expensive mpx 100... >in general i can say that i like more cutting sound like dely and don't like >the idea of reverb, for pad-ing i would use normaly an infinite delay loop >of a volume controled chord from my guitar. >but i feel right now a neccesiy for a wider and more compex underlyere >sounds. >the thing is that the 500 serves as a substitution >for a analog rotary and tremolo sound as well as >a looper(small tie but better than the mpx1) >a good reverb sound... >dual processing. > >am0as;9)- > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Mar 2 22:22:43 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA09487; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 22:22:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 22:22:43 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.0 (1513) Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 19:03:25 -0800 Subject: Re: Max (was Alt. Midi Controllers) From: Andrew Pask To: loopers Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <38BF0192.9A9A31A8@pop.agri.ch> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"laSeT1.0.hN.Pholu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12562 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > But how can i do that in a live situation? I need bouth hands to play. > Don't misunderstand me, i have nothing against the max. Because MAX deals with raw midi data, anything which outputs any sort of MIDI at all can be used as a controller.Foot switches, keyboards, powergloves, other MAX patches.Friends of mine have also used chopped up computer keyboards, I use the no-hands mouse, there has been a whole discussion on the MAX list in the past week or so about patches which are triggered by IR beams connected to the serial port ("conducting" the patch).But in some cases you don't need any input at all.The whole stucture of a piece can be written in MAX and you write changes in as you would a sequence, but you can have them going randomly to different sequences which can repeat random numbers of times etc. etc.I'm working on a "virtual musician" which uses a MAX object which recognises pitch so that I can trigger different phases of the music with different combinations of notes which I play acoustically on my horn, and then of course there's video...... From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Mar 3 03:31:11 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA12816; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 03:31:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 03:31:11 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 03:23:30 EST Subject: Re: New Lexicon Reverb...MPX 500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 32 Resent-Message-ID: <"jm4vB3.0.cg2.gQtlu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12563 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 01/03/00 23:33:43 GMT Standard Time, alex@pixar.com writes: > At 10:45 AM -0800 3/1/00, SoundFNR@aol.com wrote: > >IThe cost of an algorithm( = software ) is > >all in developement, so Lexicon would have no reason to > >use a "cheaper" algorithm. > > That's not always true in general. A more elaborate algorithm might not run > on a slower DSP chip inside a cheaper piece of hardware, or it might > require more memory, etc. > Yes, your right of course. if we knew which of their specially designed reverb chips lex put in each machine (and how many) I reckon that would settle it. Originally I noticed that lexicon tend to use to same preset name on different machines, and they often talk about different machines having some of the "same" sounds. The MPX100 has a very nice reverb called "Studio A" (also B,C & D). So does the 480L, which is a "cost no object" option in many (pro) studios even though it's been around for over decade. To get back OT Has anyone out there got experience of the MPX1. Looks like it has audio-morphing. Which would make it capable of simulating the Vortex, and more. (e.g. morphing dependant on the input volume , or an LFO + ability to arrange FX in any order , including in parallel ) pity there's only 0.3s more delay time than the V. Andy Butler From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Mar 3 03:44:23 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA04616; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 03:44:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 03:44:23 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <000b01bf84ec$75d7f9e0$809cb8d4@oemcomputer> From: L.Angulo@t-online.de (Luis Angulo) To: "Loopers delight" Subject: Foot controller and roland synth Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 09:41:51 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Sender: 320086123907-0001@t-dialin.net Resent-Message-ID: <"Nes5j3.0.IU3.Tbtlu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12564 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Anybody outhere acquainted with the new yamaha MFC 10 midi foot controller? It sounds very good but i still can´t find any opinions on it. I am also curious about the new Roland GR33 is its tracking and sounds better than the GR 1,09 ? L.A. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Mar 3 06:09:29 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA22133; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 06:09:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 06:09:29 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "mark red" To: "Loopers-Delight" Subject: Re:Trumpet Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 11:33:02 +0100 Message-ID: <000f01bf84fb$da5e15c0$879f12c3@mark.grape.no> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0010_01BF8504.3C227DC0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <"sWN2N3.0.162.JCvlu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12565 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01BF8504.3C227DC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I was also reminded by this post of the stuff done in the early eighties by 23Skidoo, Anyone else remember this cool group, trumpets with long delays, "found" radio voices, funky ethnic rythums and RAW electronics, amazing...One smallish hit called "Fuck you GI" using a looped sample from "Apocalype Now" and two bass guitars, cool as hell, now sunk without a trace? I dunno? Anyone else know what happened? Best Record? a short "mini" album called seven songs (I think)... MArk Red > -----Original Message----- > From: amos elmaliah [mailto:gripcode@hotmail.com] > Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2000 7:51 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Subject: the trumpet > > > > A looped horn is a beautiful thing. Check out Chet Baker > on the new archive release by Terry Riley, Music for the Gift, > (organ of corti 1). It seems like looped trumpet started here! > > There's also some looped sax on some old Terry Riley > recordings, I think. I need a new needle for > my turn table. > > > guys, maybe you should check out the hagans\belden new (not that > new though) > realese of kinda beaches brew version over d&b. > guitaris's rosenwibnkel amazing new concept of a jazz giutar sound > and drummer's kilson playing with the programed drums. > it's not a looping though but it is a new new sound we all should > be aweare > of (all of us, as far as i know,would appriciate and love hearing > something > new commnig for the inastetutionalized blue not foundation.) > anyway the production's real amazing, for me anyway, and the hole idea > of jazz improvisation over more modern musical platform is so new and > intewresting ... > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01BF8504.3C227DC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I was also reminded by this post of the stuff done in the early = eighties by=20 23Skidoo, Anyone else remember this cool group, trumpets with long = delays,=20 "found" radio voices, funky ethnic rythums and RAW = electronics,=20 amazing...One smallish hit called "Fuck you GI" using a looped = sample=20 from "Apocalype Now" and two bass guitars, cool as hell, now = sunk=20 without a trace? I dunno? Anyone else know what happened? Best Record? a = short=20 "mini" album called seven songs (I think)...

 

MArk Red

> -----Original Message-----

> From: amos elmaliah [mailto:gripcode@hotmail.com]

> Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2000 7:51 PM

> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com

> Subject: the trumpet

>

>

>

> A looped horn is a beautiful thing. Check out Chet Baker

> on the new archive release by Terry Riley, Music for the = Gift,

> (organ of corti 1). It seems like looped trumpet started = here!

>

> There's also some looped sax on some old Terry Riley

> recordings, I think. I need a new needle for

> my turn table.

>

>

> guys, maybe you should check out the hagans\belden new (not that =

> new though)

> realese of kinda beaches brew version over d&b.

> guitaris's rosenwibnkel amazing new concept of a jazz giutar = sound

> and drummer's kilson playing with the programed drums.

> it's not a looping though but it is a new new sound we all = should

> be aweare

> of (all of us, as far as i know,would appriciate and love = hearing

> something

> new commnig for the inastetutionalized blue not foundation.)

> anyway the production's real amazing, for me anyway, and the = hole=20 idea

> of jazz improvisation over more modern musical platform is so = new=20 and

> intewresting ...

> ______________________________________________________

> Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

>

>

------=_NextPart_000_0010_01BF8504.3C227DC0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Mar 3 07:21:21 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA20971; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 07:21:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 07:21:21 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 07:00:37 -0500 (EST) From: David Talento X-Sender: legion@unix01 To: Loopers delight Subject: Re: Foot controller and roland synth In-Reply-To: <000b01bf84ec$75d7f9e0$809cb8d4@oemcomputer> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"Plv-n3.0.bb2.gbwlu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12567 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com On Fri, 3 Mar 2000, Luis Angulo wrote: > curious about the new Roland GR33 is its tracking and sounds better than the > GR 1,09 ? GR33?? New?? For shame are they already recycling model numbers? Http://www.voicenet.com/~legion/guitsyn.htm ----------------------------------------------------------------------- HELP WANTED PRODUCTIONS - Http://www.voicenet.com/~legion "Bringing you the best in Organic Electronic music since we started..." Home of the Unusual Instrument and Recording Gallery with pictures and info of Tube recorders, Omnichords, weird guitars, Casios, and more. Visit it at: Http://www.voicenet.com/~legion/weird.htm From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Mar 3 07:41:34 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA31123; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 07:41:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 07:41:34 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "mark red" To: "Loopers-Delight" Subject: unsubscribe Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 13:04:26 +0100 Message-ID: <001d01bf8508$9f896f00$879f12c3@mark.grape.no> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001E_01BF8511.014DD700" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <"BAWj52.0.4I2.7Ywlu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12566 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01BF8511.014DD700 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit unsubscribe ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01BF8511.014DD700 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_001E_01BF8511.014DD700-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Mar 3 09:12:35 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA04426; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 09:12:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 09:12:35 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <138FAF0D3722D311BAD00000F8093163227DA4@hdo-exchange.corporate.southam.ca> From: "Bailey, Jim" To: "'looppost'" Subject: RE: the trumpet Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 09:02:41 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <"2kjVj1.0.M97.JSylu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12568 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > -----Original Message----- > From: amos elmaliah [mailto:gripcode@hotmail.com] > Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2000 1:51 PM > > There's also some looped sax on some old Terry Riley > recordings, I think. I need a new needle for > my turn table. That would be Poppy Nogood and the Phantom Band. It is on the "Rainbow in Curved Air" disc (side two on the LP). Check out http://terryriley.com/ for all the information you should need on the original looper. Jim Bailey From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Mar 3 09:56:22 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA20539; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 09:56:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 09:56:22 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38BF8B32.7A89D67B@gis.net> Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2000 10:51:52 +0100 From: Paul Sullivan Reply-To: paulsull@gis.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Subject: vortex output levels Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <"9dOK11.0.Ih4.w5zlu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12569 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Some questions for Vortex users on this list on my newly purchased unit. The factory presets all have output levels set at max (64), which seems much too high for my setup (using it in the effects loop of my guitar amp), as it overloads very easily, and is also very noisy. When I take the output levels down to about 40-48, these problems disappear. Only trouble is, I can only store these output levels in the 16 user presets. Does anyone out there know if there is a way to store these lower output levels in the factory presets? Do the units all come this way (with output levels maxed)? Perhaps there is some sort of reset procedure? I've serched the manual but can't find any info. Any digital reverb I've ever used I've set the same way; output levels around 50-70%, (of course this is much easier with knobs). Also, I've noticed some digital noise when I use an expression pedal (EV-5) to morph between some parameters—is this normal? Any help on these questions would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Paul From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Mar 3 10:13:15 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA29479; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 10:13:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 10:13:15 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <00f701bf8521$9045ed20$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: Subject: Re: Max (was Alt. Midi Controllers) Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 10:02:58 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"oYTPB1.0.3n5.bKzlu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12570 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com To All MAX-Loopers! Thanks for the info. I got a Kyma system about 2 months ago and while it is GREAT at manipulating audio directly, I'm finding it somewhat cumbersome at dealing with MIDI events. So I'm thinking that a MAX front-end is what I need. Alex, I'm especially interested in your quad system. I've got my Kyma doing a bunch of quad stuff and I LOVE animating sounds. You need to tell us more. Explain what you mean by "Quad looping is especially fun if the loop itself has four channels, as opposed to quad-panning the output of a mono loop." How do you create a four channel loop? I'm thinking that I create a stereo loop via two microphones (usually a coincident pair). Do you use four mics? I've considered this for looping my singing bowls. Their sound seems truly 3D. When I recording (loop) them in stereo something essential is lost. >With this configuration one can pan each phrase differently, >AND cross patch the feedback paths so that each loop repeat comes out >rotated 90 degrees. Pictures! Diagrams! Details! >In all fairness it took me three years to write this patch, although my >excuse is I also have a 2-year old daughter and a day job at Pixar, so it >probably could have gone a lot faster. I'm planning some performances with >the system this year; I'll post more info at some point. Wait! Three years to write, 2-year old daughter (2 years when you started writing or 2 years old now?), multiple 3-minute quad loops, feedback reversed 90 degrees...this is a story problem, right? I know the answer to this one! The guy in the brown house is Tibetan, eats steak, and drinks Guiness, and has the jellyfish as a pet! Right? :) Okay, maybe I should watch my caffeine levels... Seriously, how you gonna package your system for gigs? Right now, I'm using some small Klipsch speakers but I don't have the electronics racked up. Dennis Leas ----------------------------- dennis@mdbs.com -----Original Message----- From: Alex Stahl To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Thursday, March 02, 2000 7:32 PM Subject: Re: Max (was Alt. Midi Controllers) >>BTW: I know this question has been asked before, but I can't recall the >>answer. >>Is there a PC-based version of MAX available? > >The Windows port of Max is in early alpha testing. I would imagine it'll >take a while. >www.cycling74.com is the URL for Max. > >>Are there MAX users on our list? > >I confess. > >>Can you tell me more? > >I don't want to start another one of those silly hardware vs. software >flame wars, but I will toot the Max horn loud enough to say that it helped >me develop a program that features multiple 3-minute long quadrophonic >loops, the ability to play loops back at different speeds (including >reverse) while still recording into them, the ability to play sequences of >loop fragments back in various ways while still recording into the loop, >granular loops as long as your yard, etc. Quad looping is especially fun if >the loop itself has four channels, as opposed to quad-panning the output of >a mono loop. With this configuration one can pan each phrase differently, >AND cross patch the feedback paths so that each loop repeat comes out >rotated 90 degrees. Whiplash! > >In all fairness it took me three years to write this patch, although my >excuse is I also have a 2-year old daughter and a day job at Pixar, so it >probably could have gone a lot faster. I'm planning some performances with >the system this year; I'll post more info at some point. > >-Alex Stahl >"The difference between theory and practice is that, in theory, there is no >difference" > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Mar 3 11:09:02 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA21980; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 11:09:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 11:09:02 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38BFDFEE.A5C33AE@virtulink.com> Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2000 10:53:18 -0500 From: David Beardsley Organization: SSI X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: the trumpet References: <138FAF0D3722D311BAD00000F8093163227DA4@hdo-exchange.corporate.southam.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"F3LqE.0.ZN3.9_zlu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12571 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com "Bailey, Jim" wrote: > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: amos elmaliah [mailto:gripcode@hotmail.com] > > Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2000 1:51 PM > > > > There's also some looped sax on some old Terry Riley > > recordings, I think. I need a new needle for > > my turn table. > > That would be Poppy Nogood and the Phantom Band. It is on the "Rainbow in > Curved Air" disc (side two on the LP). After I posted I thought of that. No, I was thinking of a track off one of those French film sountracks that never got re-released on CD. > Check out http://terryriley.com/ for all the information you should need on > the original looper. Then go to http://lamonteyoung.com - the father of minimalism! -- * D a v i d B e a r d s l e y * xouoxno@virtulink.com * * 49/32 R a d i o "all microtonal, all the time" * M E L A v i r t u a l d r e a m house monitor * * http://www.virtulink.com/immp/lookhere.htm From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Mar 3 11:30:08 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA28544; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 11:30:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 11:30:08 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38BFE825.ACDFCA07@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2000 08:28:21 -0800 From: "Scott R. Archambault" X-Sender: "Scott R. Archambault" (Unverified) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en]C-gatewaynet (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: FA: Digitech TSR-24S with PPC-200 Upgrade References: <200003030954.EAA30475@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"49QsR.0.De6.jT-lu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12572 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I am auctioning off a Digitech TSR-24S effects provessor with the PPC-200 upgrade (allowing you to have 10-second delays, more complex algorithms, etc.) Here is the URL: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=274020229 Unit comes with original manual and laminated Digitech "quick reference sheet. Thank you, Scott From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Mar 3 12:44:15 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA31395; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 12:44:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 12:44:15 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 12:38:04 EST Subject: lex reverbs, but some on-topic stuff To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 32 Resent-Message-ID: <"2WiG-3.0.LG6.pY_lu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12573 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com MPX-500 looks actually to be an upgrade of the MPX-100, seems to have very similar functions but adds SPDIF in and balanced analogue I/O (jacks & XLRS) apologies for suggesting that the MPX1 would audio-morph, the publicity says it does "parameter-morphing", which doesn't sound as exciting. The ON topic bit the looper on the MPX100 is not infinitely sustaining, the sound does decay at a significant rate. and if used with an incoming midi clock there is a build up of unpleasant noise (unless it's just mine that does this) Andy Butler Lexicon Vortex Database http://members.aol.com/soundfnr/vortex.htm From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Mar 3 15:49:24 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA09703; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 15:49:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 15:49:24 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <7BAC931E644ED211A90C00805F65CB640282E058@georgia.exchange.indiana.edu> From: "Taaffe, Denis G" To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: new mp3 loopping Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 15:37:57 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <"jyF_U3.0.jO1.uB2mu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12574 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hello Loopers, I have a new mp3 that can be heard at http://www.mp3.com/denis_taaffe . It's called zxmoto_mp3 . It's a live track from a solo electric gutiar show I did. Just one guitar, guitar loops and drum machine. no synth's, bass, samplers, midi guitar,etc... were used. just lots of guitar loops done on the fly. Let me know what you think if you would . I would appreciate any comments. Thanks Denis Denis Taaffe denis_aliengtr@geocities.com http://www.dtguitar.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Mar 3 15:58:55 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA11665; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 15:58:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 15:58:55 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Bad-Idea: su; rm -rf / X-Blasphemy: Invert me under my stars. Message-Id: <4.1.20000303134401.00a3ca50@realm-of-shade.com> X-Sender: reverendrob@realm-of-shade.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2000 13:46:14 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: the Reverend Rob Subject: Re: new mp3 loopping In-Reply-To: <7BAC931E644ED211A90C00805F65CB640282E058@georgia.exchange. indiana.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"y3vLq3.0.dS2.SO2mu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12575 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At or around 03:37 PM 3/3/00 -0500, Taaffe, Denis G wrote: > I have a new mp3 that can be heard at >http://www.mp3.com/denis_taaffe . It's called zxmoto_mp3 . It's a live track >from a solo electric gutiar show I did. Just one guitar, guitar loops and >drum machine. no synth's, bass, samplers, midi guitar,etc... were used. just >lots of guitar loops done on the fly. Let me know what you think if you >would . I would appreciate any comments. It's not bad, but I just can't get over the drum machine; it doesn't add anything to the track IMO, and detracts from what you're doing. If anything, the decent textures and overall sound quality is wrecked by the drums. Beyond the simple quality issues, the drums seem to be rushing the piece; it's sync'd for time, but there is something off in the "feel" relationship between the guitar and drums. == the Reverend Rob ICQ: 1280871 http://www.realm-of-shade.com .`. .`. .`. .`. http://www.qblh.com ================================================================= "I prefer not to kill people, but I'd like to destroy as much property as possible." - Grace Slick, from the Airplane FBI file ================================================================= http://www.reverendrob.com : feedback and echo MP3s From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Mar 3 16:44:47 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA27954; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 16:44:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 16:44:47 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <7BAC931E644ED211A90C00805F65CB640282E05E@georgia.exchange.indiana.edu> From: "Taaffe, Denis G" To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: new mp3 loopping Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 16:25:12 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <"1SFuU1.0.Ll5.7u2mu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12576 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hello, Thanks for the comments. Hmmm, I personally really like the drums and pushing the piece is precisely why I like them. But to each his own. Actually the drums were run using a tap tempo pedal,which may explain the rush. Wow, I would not want to do without it. It give the ear a reference point in my opinion. Hmmm, well, maybe I'm just used to those drums. Live, you get a real nice big sound from them. Well, thanks for taking a listen anyway and taking the time to comment. Thanks Denis Denis Taaffe denis_aliengtr@geocities.com http://www.dtguitar.com It's not bad, From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Mar 3 17:59:04 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA15258; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 17:59:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 17:59:04 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38C0418B.3C672E55@ppi2pass.com> Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2000 14:49:47 -0800 From: Mark Sottilaro Reply-To: msottilaro@ppi2pass.com Organization: PPI X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: new mp3 loopping References: <7BAC931E644ED211A90C00805F65CB640282E058@georgia.exchange.indiana.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Yt-ym.0.vN3.074mu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12577 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com any ideas on how to get the RealCrap software to work on a Mac? I downloaded the player, and it doesn't seem to work. I hate mp3.com. "Taaffe, Denis G" wrote: > Hello Loopers, > > I have a new mp3 that can be heard at > http://www.mp3.com/denis_taaffe . It's called zxmoto_mp3 . It's a live track > from a solo electric gutiar show I did. Just one guitar, guitar loops and > drum machine. no synth's, bass, samplers, midi guitar,etc... were used. just > lots of guitar loops done on the fly. Let me know what you think if you > would . I would appreciate any comments. > > Thanks > Denis > > Denis Taaffe > denis_aliengtr@geocities.com > http://www.dtguitar.com -- Mark Sottilaro Professional Publications, Inc 1250 Fifth Ave, Belmont CA 94002 Multimedia Production E-mail: msottilaro@ppi2pass.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Mar 3 18:18:31 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA22279; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 18:18:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 18:18:31 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38C04385.94DA9307@ppi2pass.com> Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2000 14:58:13 -0800 From: Mark Sottilaro Reply-To: msottilaro@ppi2pass.com Organization: PPI X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: new mp3 loopping References: <7BAC931E644ED211A90C00805F65CB640282E058@georgia.exchange.indiana.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Bjwbk1.0.pk3._E4mu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12578 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Yeah, I can see what the rev means about the lapse in sync. It's a little hard to listen to. It seems to correct itself, but comes back later. It's one thing when a live drummer pushes the beat, and the band follows. It can be a great thing. When a machine is not synched to another machine, it's just wrong in the worst way. Other than that, I like it. "Taaffe, Denis G" wrote: > Hello Loopers, > > I have a new mp3 that can be heard at > http://www.mp3.com/denis_taaffe . It's called zxmoto_mp3 . It's a live track > from a solo electric gutiar show I did. Just one guitar, guitar loops and > drum machine. no synth's, bass, samplers, midi guitar,etc... were used. just > lots of guitar loops done on the fly. Let me know what you think if you > would . I would appreciate any comments. > > Thanks > Denis > > Denis Taaffe > denis_aliengtr@geocities.com > http://www.dtguitar.com -- Mark Sottilaro Professional Publications, Inc 1250 Fifth Ave, Belmont CA 94002 Multimedia Production E-mail: msottilaro@ppi2pass.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Mar 3 18:47:38 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA01896; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 18:47:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 18:47:38 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "future perfect" To: Subject: RE: new mp3 loopping Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 18:47:20 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <4.1.20000303134401.00a3ca50@realm-of-shade.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <"VxC1w1.0.w9.Bu4mu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12579 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I haven't heard the track yet, so I can't comment on that directly. But Reverend Bob does bring up an interesting point. It seems to be mixed among musicians- some feel a drum machine really adds to a live performance, others think it is distracting and superfluous. Personally, I don't particularly like them used live- I am more likely to bring a hand percussionist along on those types of gigs, or play solo and force some creative rearranging. Any other opinions? How about from an audience member's point of view? Dave Eichenberger- guitars/loops/devices http://home1.gte.net/artmusic/dave > At or around 03:37 PM 3/3/00 -0500, Taaffe, Denis G wrote: > > > I have a new mp3 that can be heard at > >http://www.mp3.com/denis_taaffe . It's called zxmoto_mp3 . It's > a live track > >from a solo electric gutiar show I did. Just one guitar, guitar loops and > >drum machine. no synth's, bass, samplers, midi guitar,etc... > were used. just > >lots of guitar loops done on the fly. Let me know what you think if you > >would . I would appreciate any comments. > > It's not bad, but I just can't get over the drum machine; it doesn't add > anything to the track IMO, and detracts from what you're doing. If > anything, the decent textures and overall sound quality is wrecked by the > drums. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Mar 3 18:56:14 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA04318; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 18:56:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 18:56:14 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <7BAC931E644ED211A90C00805F65CB640282E070@georgia.exchange.indiana.edu> From: "Taaffe, Denis G" To: "'msottilaro@ppi2pass.com'" , Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: new mp3 loopping Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 18:48:12 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <"Wz3XP.0.2l.I05mu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12580 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi, Darn, no I'm a pc user myself. is there a mac version of winamp perhaps? Hmmm, I'm no mac expert. realcrap hahaha Denis -----Original Message----- From: Mark Sottilaro [mailto:msottilaro@ppi2pass.com] Sent: Friday, March 03, 2000 5:50 PM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: new mp3 loopping any ideas on how to get the RealCrap software to work on a Mac? From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Mar 3 19:36:33 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA19588; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 19:36:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 19:36:33 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4130291@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: drum machines live and "in person" Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 19:27:35 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.10) Resent-Message-ID: <"scKHl3.0.8B4.KZ5mu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12582 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I haven't heard the track yet, so I can't comment on that directly. But Reverend Bob does bring up an interesting point. It seems to be mixed among musicians- some feel a drum machine really adds to a live performance, others think it is distracting and superfluous. Personally, I don't particularly like them used live- I am more likely to bring a hand percussionist along on those types of gigs, or play solo and force some creative rearranging. Any other opinions? How about from an audience member's point of view? ** interesting questions. having done a fair amount of live improv gigs with drums machines back in the 80s (dating meself now boy) . . . in my view it comes down to how you use the damn thing. if you try to use it as an instrument rather than just a time/groove keeper, i think that you're better served. one thing that we used to do (we had two-three machines for each gig) was have one being the groove machine and another being texture - - for instance, i'd crank up the tempo on mine (these weren't sinced together) and turn off everything but the cymbal/highhat sounds, instant textural wash. bring it in an dout as the piece progresses. another thing is bringing in different parts of any one groove in at different times. still another was starting and stopping the machine and letting stuff happen without any groove and then slamming back into the groove that you had left behind. they require a lot of attention! when they just sit in the "on" position without any sort of manipulation is when they are deadly dull. the biggest problem with using them (at all really, not just live) is that they're rather static and won't go into uncharted territory - - ever. of course ask any drummer to play the same damn thing for a long time and you could be sunk. i've heard 'em used well and heard 'em used poorly . . . sometimes in the same set (some of the tapes i have of those 80s gigs). . . . so, i guess that i feel that it's like any piece of tech - - it's how you use it. stig From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Mar 3 19:35:28 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA18615; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 19:35:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 19:35:28 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2000 16:14:48 -0800 From: "Mike Biffle" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, artmusic@gte.net Subject: Re: Dennis Taffee and backing tracks.. Resent-Message-ID: <"kiwlx.0.pV3.lM5mu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12581 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >>> "future perfect" 03/03 3:46 PM >>> I haven't heard the track yet, so I can't comment on that directly. But Reverend Bob does bring up an interesting point. It seems to be mixed among musicians- some feel a drum machine really adds to a live performance, others think it is distracting and superfluous. Personally, I don't particularly like them used live- I am more likely to bring a hand percussionist along on those types of gigs, or play solo and force some creative rearranging. Any other opinions? How about from an audience member's point of view? This backing tracks thing is a repeating theme... For Dennis' genre of music, anthemic melodic rock (hope that sits ok with you Dennis! 8-)) I'd say the drum tracks are pretty common and create the requisiste ensemble/team sort of vibe... As in a group with a common purpose... The problem with doing this alone with a machine is that the visual doesn't support that vibe and creates confusion. As an audience member I feel a bit cheated if I don't see the performer input the drums into the machine live as well... It's even better if at least a part of that machine's output is routed to a filterbank/dsp/vortex/looper for live tweaking, so the performer can interact with it. I pretty much want the performer to create all the elements live (even if it is just building up a machine track or loop...) That said... I feel (drum sync problems aside) that Dennis' tracks show a good feel for this style of music. The looping is pretty seamless and integrated. I usually prefer a solo performer to either be experimenting more, or to be more intimate, ala folk music. -miko From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Mar 3 20:20:35 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA08510; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 20:20:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 20:20:35 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38C0634C.2C5CB9B2@ppi2pass.com> Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2000 17:13:48 -0800 From: Mark Sottilaro Reply-To: msottilaro@ppi2pass.com Organization: PPI X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Dennis Taffee and backing tracks..drumloops... References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"fblQz2.0.4l1.2E6mu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12583 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I think I know what it is about the drums that I don't like. They sound like they're trying to be too real. I think that this is where a lot of loopers go wrong with drum machines. I can just tell a drum machine when I hear it. When it's saying, "look at me, I'm synthetic! See how I juxtapose with the human elements?" it's good. When it says, "hey, look at me, I'm a real drummer." I just say, "Bogus." Be what you are. That's what I say. I've used drum machines with a live drummer, and it was GREAT. Such a nice combo of tech and flesh. Good. I'm thinking of having someone man a KAOSS pad that's processing the drum machine, to add real human feel. Real humans, nothing like 'em. Mark. Mike Biffle wrote: > >>> "future perfect" 03/03 3:46 PM >>> > I haven't heard the track yet, so I can't comment on that directly. > But Reverend Bob does bring up an interesting point. It seems to be > mixed among musicians- some feel a drum machine really adds to a live > performance, others think it is distracting and superfluous. > Personally, I don't particularly like them used live- I am more likely > to bring a hand percussionist along on those types of gigs, or play > solo and force some creative rearranging. Any other opinions? How > about from an audience member's point of view? > > This backing tracks thing is a repeating theme... > > For Dennis' genre of music, anthemic melodic rock (hope that sits ok > with you Dennis! 8-)) I'd say the drum tracks are pretty common and > create the requisiste ensemble/team sort of vibe... As in a group with > a common purpose... The problem with doing this alone with a machine > is that the visual doesn't support that vibe and creates confusion. > > As an audience member I feel a bit cheated if I don't see the > performer input the drums into the machine live as well... It's even > better if at least a part of that machine's output is routed to a > filterbank/dsp/vortex/looper for live tweaking, so the performer can > interact with it. I pretty much want the performer to create all the > elements live (even if it is just building up a machine track or > loop...) > > That said... I feel (drum sync problems aside) that Dennis' tracks > show a good feel for this style of music. The looping is pretty > seamless and integrated. I usually prefer a solo performer to either > be experimenting more, or to be more intimate, ala folk music. > > -miko -- Mark Sottilaro Professional Publications, Inc. 1250 Fifth Ave, Belmont CA 94002 Multimedia Production E-mail: msottilaro@ppi2pass.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Mar 3 20:26:02 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA09915; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 20:26:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 20:26:02 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Kiene's Fly Shop" To: "Delight List Looper's" Subject: RE: Dennis Taffee and backing tracks..drumloops... Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 17:22:14 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <38C0634C.2C5CB9B2@ppi2pass.com> Resent-Message-ID: <"ZqD_t1.0.O52.yJ6mu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12584 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I can just tell a drum machine when > I hear it. When it's saying, "look at me, I'm synthetic! See how I > juxtapose with the human elements?" it's good. When it says, "hey, look > at me, I'm a real drummer." I just say, "Bogus." Be what you are. > That's what I say. Bravo!! _____________________________ Alan Barnard Digital Drummer/Percussionist e-drums@pacbell.net http://www.kiene.com/epercussion From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Mar 4 00:51:51 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA24770; Sat, 4 Mar 2000 00:51:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2000 00:51:51 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <200003040533.VAA12324@magpie.a001.sprintmail.com> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2000 23:33:41 -0600 Subject: Re: mp3 playback on the Mac From: "Tiktok" To: "Looper's Delight" Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"snOKD.0.Cr3.11Amu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12585 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Try using the Quicktime player. It reads mp3's. TH ---------- >From: Loopers-Delight-d-request@annihilist.com >To: Loopers-Delight-d@annihilist.com >Subject: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V00 #63 >Date: Fri, Mar 3, 2000, 7:05 PM > > > any ideas on how to get the RealCrap software to work on a Mac? I downloaded > the player, and it doesn't seem to work. I hate mp3.com. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Mar 4 11:10:59 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA09350; Sat, 4 Mar 2000 11:10:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2000 11:10:59 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Sat, 04 Mar 2000 07:24:04 -0800 From: Alan Barnard Subject: Off Topic Re: Volume pedals To: "Looper's Delight" Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Resent-Message-ID: <"MXMvZ1.0.zD5.DgImu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12586 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > Hi, > > Apologies for this off-topic question. I'm looking for a SMOOTH > volume pedal for my Zendrum rig (being a drummer I've never owned > one before). I purchased an Ernie Ball 6616 mono pedal that was > recommended by numerous guitarists, but I've found the swell to > be unsatisfactory for my purposes. The rise in volume is very > slight through most of the range of motion, with an extreme rise > at the very last 5% of the range. This holds true for both swell > settings. Is this characteristic of all volume pedals, or is > there another brand/model that anyone might recommend? > > I'm using the pedal between my DM5 and my keyboard amp. > > Thanks for your help. > > Best regards, Alan. > ________________________________ > Alan Barnard > Digital Drummer/Percussionist > e-drums@pacbell.net > http://www.kiene.com/epercussion From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Mar 4 14:51:21 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA28808; Sat, 4 Mar 2000 14:51:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2000 14:51:21 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38C16106.B326F635@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 04 Mar 2000 14:16:21 -0500 From: LoAnne&Mojo Reply-To: mojo2112@earthlink.net Organization: Total Eclipse Multimedia X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Off Topic Re: Volume pedals References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"0ugzw2.0.A84.W6Mmu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12587 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com It's sounds like you may have a lo-z unit when a hi-z is required. I use the Boss FV-50 in the effects loop on my guitar rig. It has a fine sweep, also it's in stereo. - Mojo Alan Barnard wrote: > > Hi, > > > > Apologies for this off-topic question. I'm looking for a SMOOTH > > volume pedal for my Zendrum rig (being a drummer I've never owned > > one before). I purchased an Ernie Ball 6616 mono pedal that was > > recommended by numerous guitarists, but I've found the swell to > > be unsatisfactory for my purposes. The rise in volume is very > > slight through most of the range of motion, with an extreme rise > > at the very last 5% of the range. This holds true for both swell > > settings. Is this characteristic of all volume pedals, or is > > there another brand/model that anyone might recommend? > > > > I'm using the pedal between my DM5 and my keyboard amp. > > > > Thanks for your help. > > > > Best regards, Alan. > > ________________________________ > > Alan Barnard > > Digital Drummer/Percussionist > > e-drums@pacbell.net > > http://www.kiene.com/epercussion From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Mar 4 17:49:54 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA03572; Sat, 4 Mar 2000 17:49:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2000 17:49:54 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <002801bf86b6$1e6ea200$288909d2@mpx.com.au> From: "cameron" To: References: Subject: Re: Off Topic Re: Volume pedals Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2000 07:16:50 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: <"a5Rmd.0.8s5.VjOmu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12588 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I think you should hold on to the Ernie Ball pedal, and change the volume pot. It's quite easy to do, even for a drummer. Sorry, I didn't mean that. I've changed the pot, and also the string a few times. ----- Original Message ----- From: Alan Barnard To: Looper's Delight Sent: Saturday, March 04, 2000 7:24 AM Subject: Off Topic Re: Volume pedals > > > > Hi, > > > > Apologies for this off-topic question. I'm looking for a SMOOTH > > volume pedal for my Zendrum rig (being a drummer I've never owned > > one before). I purchased an Ernie Ball 6616 mono pedal that was > > recommended by numerous guitarists, but I've found the swell to > > be unsatisfactory for my purposes. The rise in volume is very > > slight through most of the range of motion, with an extreme rise > > at the very last 5% of the range. This holds true for both swell > > settings. Is this characteristic of all volume pedals, or is > > there another brand/model that anyone might recommend? > > > > I'm using the pedal between my DM5 and my keyboard amp. > > > > Thanks for your help. > > > > Best regards, Alan. > > ________________________________ > > Alan Barnard > > Digital Drummer/Percussionist > > e-drums@pacbell.net > > http://www.kiene.com/epercussion > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Mar 4 18:53:45 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA28881; Sat, 4 Mar 2000 18:53:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2000 18:53:45 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Sat, 04 Mar 2000 15:32:38 -0800 From: Alan Barnard Subject: RE: Off Topic Re: Volume pedals In-reply-to: <002801bf86b6$1e6ea200$288909d2@mpx.com.au> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Resent-Message-ID: <"rRELV1.0.fW4.wqPmu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12590 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > I think you should hold on to the Ernie Ball pedal, > and change the volume pot. It's quite easy to do, > even for a drummer. Sorry, I didn't mean that. > I've changed the pot, and also the string a few > times. Hi, I don't know, sounds pretty complicated to me. These things are a little complicated for someone whose brain is numb from too many years in front of a bunch of Marshall double stacks :). BTW - do you get the replacement strings from Ernie Ball directly? Thanks a bunch. Best regards, Alan. _____________________________ Alan Barnard Digital Drummer/Percussionist e-drums@pacbell.net http://www.kiene.com/epercussion From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Mar 4 18:44:49 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA26146; Sat, 4 Mar 2000 18:44:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2000 18:44:49 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <006e01bf862d$fa8c1d00$597cb2d0@computer> From: "Petr Dolak" To: Subject: cd burning problem Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2000 18:04:13 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_006B_01BF8604.0C35B220" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"bGfNo3.0.yj1.YPPmu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12589 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_006B_01BF8604.0C35B220 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I am trying to burn my CDs (looping content, so it is related) but have = rather unexpected troubles: all my waw files on my sound forge are fine = and clean, no clipping, but when I burn the cd on Adaptec a mild = distortion occurs, it seems especially in the left chanel. I even = lowered the overall volume on teh files by 2 dB, but it did not help = much. And I ran the cd burner (HP 8200) self-test, no problems. How = strange: monitoring the sound from the computer is fine, recording is = clean, and then the actual cd in my stereo is not good (and I tried = various stereos). Anybody has any advice? petr pepetr@crnet.net ------=_NextPart_000_006B_01BF8604.0C35B220 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I am trying to = burn my CDs=20 (looping content, so it is related) but have rather unexpected troubles: = all my=20 waw files on my sound forge are fine and clean, no clipping, but when I = burn the=20 cd on Adaptec a mild distortion occurs, it seems especially in the left=20 chanel.  I even lowered the overall volume on teh files by 2 dB, = but it did=20 not help much.  And I ran the cd burner (HP 8200) self-test, no=20 problems.  How strange: monitoring the sound from the computer is = fine,=20 recording is clean, and then the actual cd in my stereo is not good (and = I tried=20 various stereos).  Anybody has any advice?
 
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------=_NextPart_000_006B_01BF8604.0C35B220-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Mar 4 19:44:39 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA19501; Sat, 4 Mar 2000 19:44:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2000 19:44:39 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000304191719.007cd430@panther.middlebury.edu> X-Sender: mchriste@panther.middlebury.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sat, 04 Mar 2000 19:17:19 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: murkie Subject: RE: Off Topic Re: Volume pedals In-Reply-To: References: <002801bf86b6$1e6ea200$288909d2@mpx.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"AlQD61.0.5_1.RUQmu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12591 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com or for $45, the guys at ernie ball will completely refurbish your old volume pedal... just had 2 done. they work like new. m.c. At 03:32 PM 3/4/00 -0800, you wrote: >> I think you should hold on to the Ernie Ball pedal, >> and change the volume pot. It's quite easy to do, >> even for a drummer. Sorry, I didn't mean that. >> I've changed the pot, and also the string a few >> times. > >Hi, > >I don't know, sounds pretty complicated to me. These things are a little >complicated for someone whose brain is numb from too many years in front of >a bunch of Marshall double stacks :). BTW - do you get the replacement >strings from Ernie Ball directly? > >Thanks a bunch. > >Best regards, Alan. > >_____________________________ >Alan Barnard >Digital Drummer/Percussionist >e-drums@pacbell.net >http://www.kiene.com/epercussion > > ===================================================================== = = = M a r k C h r i s t e n s e n = = Cramped Quarters Studio / Jasperpottamus Music Publishing = = internet: murkie@middlebury.edu = = http://www.middlebury.edu/~mchriste/murkie.html = = = ===================================================================== From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Mar 4 19:57:58 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA22267; Sat, 4 Mar 2000 19:57:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2000 19:57:58 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: pvallad1@tampabay.rr.com Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000304194426.00aa9660@pop-server> X-Sender: pvallad1@pop-server X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Sat, 04 Mar 2000 19:44:26 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: new mp3 loopping In-Reply-To: References: <4.1.20000303134401.00a3ca50@realm-of-shade.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"oJZel2.0.IX4.ysQmu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12592 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 06:47 PM 3/3/00 -0500, you wrote: > I haven't heard the track yet, so I can't comment on that directly. But >Reverend Bob does bring up an interesting point. It seems to be mixed among >musicians- some feel a drum machine really adds to a live performance, >others think it is distracting and superfluous. Personally, I don't >particularly like them used live- I am more likely to bring a hand >percussionist along on those types of gigs, or play solo and force some >creative rearranging. Any other opinions? How about from an audience >member's point of view? > >Dave Eichenberger- guitars/loops/devices >http://home1.gte.net/artmusic/dave Hey Dave! If I'm going to play live with a drum machine, I'd like to have somebody manipulating it (or even just its audio output, using a mixer) live, whether it's myself or another performer. But that's just me. :) Paolo From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Mar 4 20:01:56 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA23595; Sat, 4 Mar 2000 20:01:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2000 20:01:56 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: pvallad1@tampabay.rr.com Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000304194824.00a95760@pop-server> X-Sender: pvallad1@pop-server X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Sat, 04 Mar 2000 19:48:24 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Alt. Midi Controllers In-Reply-To: <001401bf848d$4b4f0bf0$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"MFwWS2.0.2r4.gwQmu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12593 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 04:21 PM 3/2/00 -0500, you wrote: >Thanks! This link is very informative. > >BTW: I know this question has been asked before, but I can't recall the answer. >Is there a PC-based version of MAX available? Forgot if someone mentioned this, but one of the coinventors of Max, Miller Puckette, has been working on a PC item called "pd". There is a link to it at the Cycling74 site, I believe it is from their FAQ on that very topic. There is also mention of a Cycling74 port to Windows, but it is unclear whether it would be intended to compete with, or replace pd. Paolo From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Mar 4 20:40:28 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA10089; Sat, 4 Mar 2000 20:40:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2000 20:40:28 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <000601bf8641$d1ac7600$40348218@we.mediaone.net> From: "MediaOne" To: References: <002801bf86b6$1e6ea200$288909d2@mpx.com.au> <3.0.5.32.20000304191719.007cd430@panther.middlebury.edu> Subject: Re: Off Topic Re: Volume pedals Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2000 17:26:23 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"M-cfA2.0.fJ.uURmu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12594 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com They can also make it stereo as well- Cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: "murkie" To: Sent: Saturday, March 04, 2000 4:17 PM Subject: RE: Off Topic Re: Volume pedals > or for $45, the guys at ernie ball will completely refurbish your old > volume pedal... > > just had 2 done. they work like new. > > m.c. > > At 03:32 PM 3/4/00 -0800, you wrote: > >> I think you should hold on to the Ernie Ball pedal, > >> and change the volume pot. It's quite easy to do, > >> even for a drummer. Sorry, I didn't mean that. > >> I've changed the pot, and also the string a few > >> times. > > > >Hi, > > > >I don't know, sounds pretty complicated to me. These things are a little > >complicated for someone whose brain is numb from too many years in front of > >a bunch of Marshall double stacks :). BTW - do you get the replacement > >strings from Ernie Ball directly? > > > >Thanks a bunch. > > > >Best regards, Alan. > > > >_____________________________ > >Alan Barnard > >Digital Drummer/Percussionist > >e-drums@pacbell.net > >http://www.kiene.com/epercussion > > > > > > ===================================================================== > = = > = M a r k C h r i s t e n s e n = > = Cramped Quarters Studio / Jasperpottamus Music Publishing = > = internet: murkie@middlebury.edu = > = http://www.middlebury.edu/~mchriste/murkie.html = > = = > ===================================================================== > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Mar 4 21:40:55 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA01998; Sat, 4 Mar 2000 21:40:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2000 21:40:55 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000305020838.88267.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [63.195.54.82] From: "matt davignon" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: cd burning problem Date: Sat, 04 Mar 2000 18:08:38 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"FJAYU.0.xR5.77Smu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12595 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hmmm, a friend of mine was getting pops and clicks for a while when he first started burning CD's. It turns out the problem was that the burning software was putting the audio on the discs as the wrong file type. It was close enough that the CD player tried reading it, but wrong enough that the errors came out as pops and clicks. I think Adaptec is supposed to make produce .cda files on the disc, but I'm not sure. (That's what it says when I open a disc up, but it also lists each file size as 44 bytes.) I'm sorry if this isn't very good advice, I iz ai'nt too smart when it comes to this sort of thing. Matt >From: "Petr Dolak" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >To: >Subject: cd burning problem >Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2000 18:04:13 -0500 > >I am trying to burn my CDs (looping content, so it is related) but have >rather unexpected troubles: all my waw files on my sound forge are fine and >clean, no clipping, but when I burn the cd on Adaptec a mild distortion >occurs, it seems especially in the left chanel. I even lowered the overall >volume on teh files by 2 dB, but it did not help much. And I ran the cd >burner (HP 8200) self-test, no problems. How strange: monitoring the sound >from the computer is fine, recording is clean, and then the actual cd in my >stereo is not good (and I tried various stereos). Anybody has any advice? > >petr >pepetr@crnet.net > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Mar 4 22:27:02 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA17200; Sat, 4 Mar 2000 22:27:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2000 22:27:02 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Javier Miranda V." To: Subject: RE: cd burning problem Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2000 19:01:20 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <006e01bf862d$fa8c1d00$597cb2d0@computer> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <"UrB-N2.0.FW1.ztSmu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12596 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I'd say call HP and Adaptec tech. support. -----Original Message----- From: Petr Dolak [mailto:pepetr@crnet.net] Sent: Saturday 04 March 2000 3:04 PM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: cd burning problem I am trying to burn my CDs (looping content, so it is related) but have rather unexpected troubles: all my waw files on my sound forge are fine and clean, no clipping, but when I burn the cd on Adaptec a mild distortion occurs, it seems especially in the left chanel. I even lowered the overall volume on teh files by 2 dB, but it did not help much. And I ran the cd burner (HP 8200) self-test, no problems. How strange: monitoring the sound from the computer is fine, recording is clean, and then the actual cd in my stereo is not good (and I tried various stereos). Anybody has any advice? petr pepetr@crnet.net From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Mar 4 22:49:01 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA27403; Sat, 4 Mar 2000 22:49:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2000 22:49:01 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000304194646.012fcb50@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: sean_@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sat, 04 Mar 2000 19:46:46 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Sean Subject: RE: cd burning problem In-Reply-To: References: <006e01bf862d$fa8c1d00$597cb2d0@computer> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"ekELz1.0.qI6.eSTmu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12597 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com don't waste your time trying to contact adaptec. the only 'support' they have is a busy telephone number. you can try to submit a report over the web using their ASK support form - but don't expect a response in under 2 weeks. And don't expect the response to be of any value. try usenet - post a msg to comp.publish.cdrom.software. At 07:01 PM 3/4/2000 -0800, someone wrote: >I'd say call HP and Adaptec tech. support. > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Petr Dolak [mailto:pepetr@crnet.net] >Sent: Saturday 04 March 2000 3:04 PM >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Subject: cd burning problem > > >I am trying to burn my CDs (looping content, so it is related) but have >rather unexpected troubles: all my waw files on my sound forge are fine and >clean, no clipping, but when I burn the cd on Adaptec a mild distortion >occurs, it seems especially in the left chanel. I even lowered the overall >volume on teh files by 2 dB, but it did not help much. And I ran the cd >burner (HP 8200) self-test, no problems. How strange: monitoring the sound >from the computer is fine, recording is clean, and then the actual cd in my >stereo is not good (and I tried various stereos). Anybody has any advice? > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Mar 5 05:42:49 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA31783; Sun, 5 Mar 2000 05:42:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2000 05:42:49 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Tiit Kikas" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: JamMan Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2000 12:20:50 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1257" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <"bt-Qv.0.nM5.qMZmu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12598 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi loopers! I wanna buy a "JamMan" (32sec.) Please make an offers! Tiit Kikas tkikas@yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Mar 5 09:00:46 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA09212; Sun, 5 Mar 2000 09:00:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2000 09:00:46 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38C2DD09.95FC836E@vtx.ch> Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2000 14:17:45 -0800 From: Claude voit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: JamMan References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"s5bxV2.0.5r6.r2cmu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12599 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi Kikas I wanna buy your wife (1m75) please make an offer ! Kikas we love our toys more than the usual so please be more seductive, hang around, and perhaps you'll get the info that the "loopers Rolls" Echoplex is going to hit the market again veryvery soon ;-) Welcome Claude Tiit Kikas wrote: > > Hi loopers! > > I wanna buy a "JamMan" (32sec.) > Please make an offers! > > Tiit Kikas > tkikas@yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Mar 5 14:14:20 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA12774; Sun, 5 Mar 2000 14:14:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2000 14:14:20 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: tcweller@lucid.spiraco.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <002801bf86b6$1e6ea200$288909d2@mpx.com.au> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2000 13:12:31 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Travis Weller Subject: Re: Off Topic Re: Volume pedals Resent-Message-ID: <"JX78g1.0.7w1.I2hmu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12600 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >> > Apologies for this off-topic question. I'm looking for a SMOOTH >> > volume pedal for my Zendrum rig (being a drummer I've never owned >> > one before). I purchased an Ernie Ball 6616 mono pedal that was >> > recommended by numerous guitarists, but I've found the swell to >> > be unsatisfactory for my purposes. The rise in volume is very >> > slight through most of the range of motion, with an extreme rise >> > at the very last 5% of the range. This holds true for both swell >> > settings. Is this characteristic of all volume pedals, or is >> > there another brand/model that anyone might recommend? >I think you should hold on to the Ernie Ball pedal, >and change the volume pot. It's quite easy to do, >even for a drummer. Sorry, I didn't mean that. >I've changed the pot, and also the string a few >times. i'm dealing with this issue right now as well. i'm using ernie ball 6616s for midi expression pedals (for controlling the echoplex and various other rack efx) and after doing some research found out what i need are linear pots instead of audio (exponential?) pots. these evidently have a more gradual taper to them. i've heard from many people that changing them out yourself is very simple, but i've had very little luck actually tracking down the pots. i've tried numerous electronics resellers and no one seems to have a pot that matches the specs given to me by the ernie ball rep (who btw, was very sharp and helpful). has anyone else successfully found and installed a linear pot in a 6616? if so, i'd like to get some advice. please email me privately as the topicality of this thread is questionable. thanks, travis. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Mar 5 14:55:02 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA28522; Sun, 5 Mar 2000 14:55:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2000 14:55:02 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38C2B97D.36C115D1@pop.agri.ch> Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2000 20:46:04 +0100 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Jes=FAs=20Turi=F1o?= Reply-To: j-turino@pop.agri.ch Organization: i45 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [de] (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: de,es MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: JamMan References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by rosy.yourwebhost.com id OAA26280 Resent-Message-ID: <"ojc1O.0.wQ6.ydhmu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12601 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi Tiiter! I wanna buy a liver (<32y) Please make an offers! Jesús Turińo j-turino@pop.agri.ch Tiit Kikas schrieb: > Hi loopers! > > I wanna buy a "JamMan" (32sec.) > Please make an offers! > > Tiit Kikas > tkikas@yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Mar 5 17:11:19 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA18592; Sun, 5 Mar 2000 17:11:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2000 17:11:19 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2000 18:48:10 -0700 Subject: Record Led EDP replace From: Sebastian Woscoboinik To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <38BDA5A0.30AA057F@texas.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Infomail-Id: 952292972.1E6D01AC1E03A0.32972 Resent-Message-ID: <"LNRKY3.0.E13.jNjmu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12602 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi. I need to replace my record led in my EDP. Somebody know which type/kind of led I'll buy? thanks sebastian From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Mar 5 17:14:03 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA19616; Sun, 5 Mar 2000 17:14:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2000 17:14:03 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000305215642.90648.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [199.179.162.71] Reply-To: dj_devious_d@hotmail.com From: "Devious D_MasterMixer" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: cd burning problem Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2000 13:56:41 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"imUnR1.0.YZ3.wWjmu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12603 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Look at the sample rate of the .wav file you are burning. Make sure it's at the optimum setting. ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Petr Dolak" Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com To: Subject: cd burning problem Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2000 18:04:13 -0500 I am trying to burn my CDs (looping content, so it is related) but have rather unexpected troubles: all my waw files on my sound forge are fine and clean, no clipping, but when I burn the cd on Adaptec a mild distortion occurs, it seems especially in the left chanel. I even lowered the overall volume on teh files by 2 dB, but it did not help much. And I ran the cd burner (HP 8200) self-test, no problems. How strange: monitoring the sound from the computer is fine, recording is clean, and then the actual cd in my stereo is not good (and I tried various stereos). Anybody has any advice? petr pepetr@crnet.net ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Mar 5 18:35:59 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA10263; Sun, 5 Mar 2000 18:35:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2000 18:35:59 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <001201bf8789$af1c4cc0$aa8909d2@mpx.com.au> From: "cameron" To: Subject: akai riff-o-matic u400 Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 08:33:19 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000F_01BF8746.A04992E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: <"GkI4E.0.iD2.Fvkmu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12604 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01BF8746.A04992E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Howdy. Can someone give me the honest run down on the riff-o-matic. Is it similiar to the Head Rush. I noticed it's not in the=20 Tools of the Trade, so I'm guessing it's a chunk of shit. Thank You LoopHeads. ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01BF8746.A04992E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Howdy.
Can someone give me the honest run down
on the riff-o-matic. Is it similiar to = the
Head Rush. I noticed it's not in the
Tools of the Trade, so I'm guessing = it's
a chunk of shit.  Thank You =20 LoopHeads.
------=_NextPart_000_000F_01BF8746.A04992E0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Mar 5 19:13:02 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA26071; Sun, 5 Mar 2000 19:13:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2000 19:13:02 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <4.1.20000303134401.00a3ca50@realm-of-shade.com> References: <7BAC931E644ED211A90C00805F65CB640282E058@georgia.exchange. indiana.edu> Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2000 19:58:12 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Patrick Smith Subject: echoplex on ebay Resent-Message-ID: <"FXnNL2.0.u65.eOlmu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12605 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com For those of you who just can't wait. http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=274644673 P. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Mar 5 22:13:17 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA16147; Sun, 5 Mar 2000 22:13:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2000 22:13:17 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <200003060308.WAA19089@fb00.eng00.mindspring.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 10:03:20 -0400 Subject: magi=?ISO-8859-1?B?gA==?=cicada From: "c.white" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by rosy.yourwebhost.com id WAA15664 Resent-Message-ID: <"v353N3.0.0r3.n4omu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12606 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com a new cd from magi€cicada limited to 100 handmade copies recorded live to minidisc using: waterphone,circuit bent casios,found soounds, homemade instruments, toys,vocals, and many springs. experimental sounds from a tinker and his toys..minimal (to none) beats and layered drones all recorded live 12.50 includes shipping for the united states From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Mar 5 22:29:48 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA20696; Sun, 5 Mar 2000 22:29:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2000 22:29:48 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000306032518.64609.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [63.195.54.82] From: "matt davignon" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: magicicada Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2000 19:25:18 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"AfQKt1.0.dk4._Komu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12607 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com How about a trade for my CD of "5 Spots"? Matt Davignon >From: "c.white" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Subject: magi€cicada >Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 10:03:20 -0400 > > > >a new cd from magi€cicada limited to 100 handmade copies > > > recorded live to minidisc using: waterphone,circuit bent casios,found >soounds, homemade instruments, toys,vocals, and many springs. > >experimental sounds from a tinker and his toys..minimal (to none) beats and >layered drones all recorded live > > > > > 12.50 includes shipping for the united states > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Mar 5 22:43:13 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA23948; Sun, 5 Mar 2000 22:43:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2000 22:43:13 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <5a.223774e.25f4824d@aol.com> Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2000 22:38:53 EST Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re:=20magi=80cicada?= To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 61 Resent-Message-ID: <"UMc-v.0.zW5.mXomu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12608 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com how does one get one of these puppies?...............michael From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Mar 5 23:07:05 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA30559; Sun, 5 Mar 2000 23:07:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2000 23:07:05 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000306040251.14154.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [63.195.54.82] From: "matt davignon" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: magicicada Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2000 20:02:51 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"iu_VK3.0.197.Buomu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12611 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com sorry, that was supposaed to be a private message, but Chris White (Magicicada) makes some pretty darn interesting experimental music. Matt >From: "matt davignon" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Subject: Re: magicicada >Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2000 19:25:18 PST > >How about a trade for my CD of "5 Spots"? > >Matt Davignon > > >>From: "c.white" >>Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >>To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >>Subject: magi€cicada >>Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 10:03:20 -0400 >> >> >> >>a new cd from magi€cicada limited to 100 handmade copies >> >> >> recorded live to minidisc using: waterphone,circuit bent casios,found >>soounds, homemade instruments, toys,vocals, and many springs. >> >>experimental sounds from a tinker and his toys..minimal (to none) beats >>and >>layered drones all recorded live >> >> >> >> >> 12.50 includes shipping for the united states >> > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Mar 5 23:00:06 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA28089; Sun, 5 Mar 2000 23:00:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2000 23:00:06 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <013701bf871f$99861360$42ffdcd1@hideo> From: "hideo" To: References: <200003060308.WAA19089@fb00.eng00.mindspring.net> Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_magi=3Fcicada?= Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2000 21:53:43 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <"PMQ-F2.0.Nm6.anomu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12610 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com how about a copy in exchange for my upcoming MD of altered didg drones and Korg X-911 guitar synth, Steinberger bass thru banks of oddball electronics and a modded Touch and Tell? Tom Lambrecht ----- Original Message ----- From: c.white To: Sent: Monday, March 06, 2000 8:03 AM Subject: magi?cicada > > > a new cd from magi?cicada limited to 100 handmade copies > > > recorded live to minidisc using: waterphone,circuit bent casios,found > soounds, homemade instruments, toys,vocals, and many springs. > > experimental sounds from a tinker and his toys..minimal (to none) beats and > layered drones all recorded live > > > > > 12.50 includes shipping for the united states > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Mar 5 22:58:03 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA27852; Sun, 5 Mar 2000 22:58:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2000 22:58:03 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: stanitarium@earthlink.net Message-Id: <200003060354.TAA20350@swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2000 19:58:50 -0800 Subject: Re: akai riff-o-matic u400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3035131130_109877_MIME_Part" Resent-Message-ID: <"d0UE_1.0.lU6.elomu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12609 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > THIS MESSAGE IS IN MIME FORMAT. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3035131130_109877_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Well I have the U40 and its a chunk, I don't know about the u400...STANNER ---------- From: "cameron" To: Subject: akai riff-o-matic u400 Date: Mon, Mar 6, 2000, 8:33 AM Howdy. Can someone give me the honest run down on the riff-o-matic. Is it similiar to the Head Rush. I noticed it's not in the Tools of the Trade, so I'm guessing it's a chunk of shit. Thank You LoopHeads. --MS_Mac_OE_3035131130_109877_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: akai riff-o-matic u400 Well I have the U40 and its a chunk, I don't know about the  u400...ST= ANNER

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From: "cameron" <c.ja.s@adlink.com.au>
To: <Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com>
Subject: akai riff-o-matic u400
Date: Mon, Mar 6, 2000, 8:33 AM


Howdy.
Can someone give me the honest run down
on the riff-o-matic. Is it similiar to the
Head Rush. I noticed it's not in the
Tools of the Trade, so I'm guessing it's
a chunk of shit.  Thank You  LoopHeads.

--MS_Mac_OE_3035131130_109877_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Mar 5 23:13:41 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA32168; Sun, 5 Mar 2000 23:13:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2000 23:13:41 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <200003060409.XAA30219@fb00.eng00.mindspring.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 11:04:31 -0400 Subject: Re: magi?cicada From: "c.white" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"WmJq9.0.RY7.9-omu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12612 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com join our circuit benders onelist benders@onelist just do a search regards c.white ---------- >From: "hideo" >To: >Subject: Re: magi?cicada >Date: Sun, Mar 5, 2000, 11:53 PM > >? From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Mar 5 23:26:58 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA03101; Sun, 5 Mar 2000 23:26:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2000 23:26:58 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38C331F7.31E4E004@toddreynolds.com> Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2000 23:20:07 -0500 From: Todd Reynolds Reply-To: todd@toddreynolds.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: echoplex led cover References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"dIzWv1.0.Te.eApmu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12613 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > dear friends. somehow the front led panel of my echoplex went AWOL. any > ideas how i can find another? and/or protect in the meantime? kim, can you > help on this one? is this a usual occurence? must have happened during > simple and unabusive transport in my rack. thanks... todd reynolds - From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Mar 6 02:13:32 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA15262; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 02:13:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 02:13:32 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000306070819.38312.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [63.195.54.82] From: "matt davignon" To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Subject: SoundForge installation help please! Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2000 23:08:18 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"zEXjC2.0.wW3.7crmu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12614 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I need SoundForge help!!! I'm trying to install my legal copy and it won't let me! It gives me a message saying "SoundForge is unable to locate the original installation" or something like that. I had a cracked version and just bought a legal version. I guess it doesn't like that there was an older version there. Does anyone know how to get this to work? ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Mar 6 02:34:59 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA19571; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 02:34:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 02:34:59 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000306072930.76094.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [63.195.54.82] From: "matt davignon" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: SoundForge installation help please! Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2000 23:29:30 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"gGYbB1.0.jS4.Zvrmu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12615 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com The exact message it gives me is "Unable to determine the previous installation's directory". It gives me only an "Okay" button (no "details" or "advanced" button). The okay button exits the installer. >From: "matt davignon" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com >Subject: SoundForge installation help please! >Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2000 23:08:18 PST > >I need SoundForge help!!! I'm trying to install my legal copy and it won't >let me! > >It gives me a message saying "SoundForge is unable to locate the original >installation" or something like that. > >I had a cracked version and just bought a legal version. I guess it doesn't >like that there was an older version there. Does anyone know how to get >this >to work? > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Mar 6 03:12:09 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA28816; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 03:12:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 03:12:09 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38C3676C.CF892F2C@mindspring.com> Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 00:08:12 -0800 From: Jim Poppen X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: SoundForge installation help please! References: <20000306072930.76094.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"9CbY92.0.0k6.5Tsmu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12616 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I'd recommend you contact Sound Forge's customer or tech support. If it's a legal copy you have, don't be shy. They surely deal with this situation all the time. You aren't the only naughty boy out there. :-) Jim matt davignon wrote: > > The exact message it gives me is "Unable to determine the previous > installation's directory". It gives me only an "Okay" button (no "details" > or "advanced" button). The okay button exits the installer. > > >From: "matt davignon" > >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > >To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com > >Subject: SoundForge installation help please! > >Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2000 23:08:18 PST > > > >I need SoundForge help!!! I'm trying to install my legal copy and it won't > >let me! > > > >It gives me a message saying "SoundForge is unable to locate the original > >installation" or something like that. > > > >I had a cracked version and just bought a legal version. I guess it doesn't > >like that there was an older version there. Does anyone know how to get > >this > >to work? > > > >______________________________________________________ > >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Mar 6 03:42:42 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA03459; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 03:42:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 03:42:42 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "mark red" To: "Loopers-Delight" Subject: unsubscribe Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 09:29:41 +0100 Message-ID: <000001bf8746$1e51efd0$879f12c3@mark.grape.no> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0001_01BF874E.8017DE70" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 Resent-Message-ID: <"TvyEg3.0.Wk7.fgsmu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12617 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01BF874E.8017DE70 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit unsubscribe ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01BF874E.8017DE70 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_0001_01BF874E.8017DE70-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Mar 6 03:49:52 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA04803; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 03:49:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 03:49:52 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Nick.Key@solent.ac.uk Subject: MIDI clocks/signals To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 08:27:38 +0000 Message-ID: X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on Sinotes/Southampton Institute(Release 5.0.2c (Intl)|2 February 2000) at 06/03/2000 08:27:39 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: <"JIC_M3.0.b7.vlsmu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12618 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hello. Ive just joined the list. I hope someone can help...id like to be able to synchronise Cakewalk and SF Acid via the MIDI clock. (a) Is it possible (b) If its possible can anyone point me to a good resource to get me started? Thanks Nick From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Mar 6 10:10:16 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA01931; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 10:10:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 10:10:16 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <003401bf877c$e7c36520$cd98adce@hideo> From: "hideo" To: References: <20000306040251.14154.qmail@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: private post SORRY Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 09:01:40 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <"-NPdJ2.0.Tx7.lZymu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12620 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com ditto for mine--got so excited I lost control .. . drone on~~~~~~ Tom Lambrecht ----- Original Message ----- From: matt davignon To: Sent: Sunday, March 05, 2000 10:02 PM Subject: Re: magicicada > sorry, that was supposaed to be a private message From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Mar 6 10:01:17 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA32172; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 10:01:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 10:01:17 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Mike McGary" To: Subject: RE: SoundForge installation help please! Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 08:59:46 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 In-Reply-To: <20000306072930.76094.qmail@hotmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: <"-aP051.0.TT7.nRymu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12619 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > The exact message it gives me is "Unable to determine the previous > installation's directory". It gives me only an "Okay" button (no > "details" > or "advanced" button). The okay button exits the installer. Sounds like you bought an 'upgrade' and not a 'full copy'. The upgrade assumes you bought a full copy before and it looks for it on your machine. Some packages take this approach....others need to know your original installation key as well as the new one. -Mike McGary From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Mar 6 10:33:50 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA09269; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 10:33:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 10:33:50 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Javier Miranda V." To: Subject: RE: SoundForge installation help please! Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 07:29:22 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 In-Reply-To: <20000306070819.38312.qmail@hotmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: <"GtYiv.0.ts1.Oxymu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12622 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I think you bought an upgrade instead of a full version. The upgrade always wants to see the first full version on the HDD. If you did, return the upgrade and pay for a full version. | -----Original Message----- | From: matt davignon [mailto:mattdavignon@hotmail.com] | Sent: Sunday 05 March 2000 11:08 PM | To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com | Subject: SoundForge installation help please! | | | I need SoundForge help!!! I'm trying to install my legal copy and it won't let me! It gives me a message saying "SoundForge is unable to locate the original installation" or something like that. I had a cracked version and just bought a legal version. I guess it doesn't like that there was an older version there. Does anyone know how to get this to work? From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Mar 6 10:35:22 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA09471; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 10:35:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 10:35:22 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <7BAC931E644ED211A90C00805F65CB640282E076@georgia.exchange.indiana.edu> From: "Taaffe, Denis G" To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: new mp3 loopping Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 10:27:23 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <"8T_Lk3.0.ls1.Nxymu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12621 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hello, I use my drum machine live and really like it. I can use a tap/tempo to set the pitch, then with other pedals put in fills and start and stop. Perhaps not a replacement for a real drummer, but it has really freeed me up to play solo gigs, record and play at anytime.I run mine through a mixer,w/some eq and light reverb I get a large tone through my bass cabinets but my 2x12's suffer a bit. I have been playing so long with the same one that I don't even think about it and have never found a competent drummer in my area who was dedicated to playing my kind of stuff. WEll, anyway I don't have a problem with it, in fact I love the sound of it. Thanks Denis Denis Taaffe denis_aliengtr@geocities.com http://www.dtguitar.com - >particularly like them used live- I am more likely to bring a hand >percussionist along on those types of gigs, or play solo and force some >creative rearranging. Any other opinions? How about from an audience >member's point of view? > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Mar 6 10:36:46 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA09656; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 10:36:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 10:36:46 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <7BAC931E644ED211A90C00805F65CB640282E077@georgia.exchange.indiana.edu> From: "Taaffe, Denis G" To: "'msottilaro@ppi2pass.com'" , Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: Dennis Taffee and backing tracks..drumloops... Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 10:29:05 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <"0QYat3.0.Ex1.Pyymu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12623 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hello, Yes, but I love drum machines that sound "real", why would you want to make them sound "fake"? REal or fake compared to a drummer? Why compare the two. they are not the same?! I think people are too rigid on this subject, because that is the conventional thinking band must have real drummer.I don't know, I mean if it produces sound, it's good thing. wether a drummer, drum machine,a scratching noise, leaves ruffling. Before looping I thought the same way,band must have drummer...must have guitar...must have bass...must have long hair if they play metal....etc....that's just the norm,so what?!?!?! throw all that crap out the window and do what you want. I am anyway. ... and songs must be 2-3 minutes and have a verse and chorus, and must be radio friendly haha....etc..... But I'm not knocking live drummers either.I like both. anyway for my stuff, really the percussion (beat) is not what interests me most of the music. Thanks Denis Denis Taaffe denis_aliengtr@geocities.com http://www.dtguitar.com I think I know what it is about the drums that I don't like. They sound like they're trying to be too real. I From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Mar 6 12:26:26 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA00758; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 12:26:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 12:26:26 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <7BAC931E644ED211A90C00805F65CB640282E07D@georgia.exchange.indiana.edu> From: "Taaffe, Denis G" To: "Taaffe, Denis G" , "'Mike Biffle'" , "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" , "'msottilaro@ppi2pass.com'" Subject: RE: RE: Dennis Taffee and backing tracks..drumloops... Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 12:19:01 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <"EXxgT1.0.oj7.RZ-mu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12626 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com uhhhh.......hm...haha.. that's closest I come is not closet I come in haha typo denis - Subject: RE: RE: Dennis Taffee and backing tracks..drumloops... Howdy Mike, m machine being played interactively goes, the closet I come is tapping in the tempo From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Mar 6 12:24:04 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA00395; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 12:24:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 12:24:04 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <7BAC931E644ED211A90C00805F65CB640282E07B@georgia.exchange.indiana.edu> From: "Taaffe, Denis G" To: "'Mike Biffle'" , Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, "Taaffe, Denis G" , msottilaro@ppi2pass.com Subject: RE: RE: Dennis Taffee and backing tracks..drumloops... Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 12:15:05 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <"pfyT83.0.4e7.sV-mu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12625 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Howdy Mike, WELl, I agree with the codpiece and hair extensions, I'm getting my codpiece gold plated soon. Yes, as far as a drum machine being played interactively goes, the closet I come is tapping in the tempo and then using the "fill" button piece to put in fills where appropriate and to swtich between patterns.In fact, I would hate to see some poor sap trying to create a drum rythmn by tapping in each drum in a beat while playing guitar. he would look like some river dance dancer playing guitar hahah. well seriously , It's funny I hardly think of the drums as a drum machine. Guess I'm used to using it and have not even considered if it is real or not. I do understand though what you mean about samples and machines. but it has opened my eyes as well. I was very opposed to using any kind of tape, samples, midi guitar or synthetic stuff and I still wont, But, if I believe what I say, then it doesn't matter how an artist get's it's sounds really, as long as the end product is pleasing to the artist that creates it. I watched bela fleck and they have this percussionist "future man" playing a synthax to create the drums. Worked for me, but didn't fit the standard drummer mold. AS far as to wether a machine taps the pads or wether someone does like future man does it doesn't really make a difference for me. To me I as I said before, the drums are there to give the ear a reference point but it is not the focal point of the music. Before I used the drum machine, my loops were all perceived as slow. Even if I was playing a very fast rythmic thing on the guitar.with the drums the listerner perceives that speed or upbeat thing. I do have tons of songs without any drums but not many like that are upbeat.I don't know, it's just people told me first I couldn't go out and play a solo electric gutiar show by myself, then I couldn't use a drum machine, I couldn't loop, I had to use midi,I had to have a band, I had to play this kind of style, I had to cnform to this style of writing, had to have long hair, had to....screw all that, I am happy with my musical progress and will continuing doing what I 'm doing, even with drum machine. I really love it and the sounds it creates. I value other's opinion's , but at this point I have to do what pleases me musically and my small drum machine does it for me . I like the way it sounds with my looping guit stuff. Thanks Denis Denis Taaffe denis_aliengtr@geocities.com http://www.dtguitar.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Mar 6 12:33:45 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA23450; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 11:49:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 11:49:26 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 08:44:22 -0800 From: "Mike Biffle" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, dtaaffe@indiana.edu, msottilaro@ppi2pass.com Subject: Re: RE: Dennis Taffee and backing tracks..drumloops... Resent-Message-ID: <"iGEnA2.0.BW5.13-mu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12624 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >>> "Taaffe, Denis G" 03/06 7:35 AM >>> Yes, but I love drum machines that sound "real", why would you want to make them sound "fake"? It's not my issue that they sound fake or real... my issue is that they're static and should be somehow handled by the preformer in real time. Either inputing or manipulating. I don't want a canned element from a live performance... If there are samples and machines, I like to see the performer do more with them than just "turn them on". > REal or fake compared to a drummer? Why compare the two. they are not the same?! Ok... above you say "why would I want to make them sound fake?" then go on to make this last statement... > I think people are too rigid on this subject, because that is the conventional thinking band must have real drummer.I don't know, I mean if it produces sound, it's good thing. wether a drummer, drum machine,a scratching noise, leaves ruffling. Before looping I thought the same way... The same as what and who? I don't care if a band has a real drummer or a fake one... I'm not a stickler for imitating any "other" type of ensemble. Solo guitar, 2 guitars, drum 'n sax... I don't care... No restrictions coming from me... I just don't find it very engaging to listen to a so-called performance and realize that it's 4 programmed/sequenced real sounding instruments with a soloist over the top. Now what you do with just the drum machine is more acceptable to me, but I'm mostly trying to let you know what would make it even better for me... (again this is just my opinion...) > band must have drummer...must have guitar...must have bass...must have long hair if they play metal....etc....that's just the norm,so what?!?!?! throw all that crap out the window and do what you want. Nope! I've gotta have a codpiece and hair extensions... > anyway for my stuff, really the percussion (beat) is not what interests me most of the music. Devils advocate... So why is it there? (drums percussion). I feel that if it's not dealt with as an equally important part of the piece that it's neglected and probably unnecessary. Someone wrote... (Mark S?) >>> I think I know what it is about the drums that I don't like. They sound like they're trying to be too real... Now I've said above that it doesn't matter much to me whether they sound real or fake, but will go on to explain a bit more... My problem with drums that sound "Just like a drummer" is that when it's clear it's coming from a machine, and there's no real drummer... the SOUND of the music is actually somewhat misleading and out of context... I kind of like each element to speak to me in it's given context... meaning that It's ok for the drum machine to sound disembodied and cheezy and machine like (because it IS). If you make something very creative with it, I'm all the more impressed. Sampled sounds are so good these days that the novelty of having them "imitate" the real thing has completely worn off on me... I'd rather hear electronic pops and buzzes get manipulated craftily by a performer, into a cool groove. I also prefer a wacked synth sound being "tamed" into a bass groove rather than some ultra-realistic bass sample supporting a track. I'm fine with what you're doing Dennis... I deal with the same problems being a guitarist myself... (and owning a drum machine! 8-)) This feedback is just to tell you what would engage me further. Best regards, -Miko From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Mar 6 13:44:33 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA31142; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 13:44:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 13:44:33 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "future perfect" To: Subject: RE: RE: Dennis Taffee and backing tracks..drumloops... Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 13:26:13 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <7BAC931E644ED211A90C00805F65CB640282E07B@georgia.exchange.indiana.edu> Resent-Message-ID: <"uPOD21.0.Ar3.zS_mu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12627 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >I was very opposed to using any kind of tape, > samples, midi guitar or synthetic stuff and I still wont, But, if > I believe > what I say, then it doesn't matter how an artist get's it's sounds really, > as long as the end product is pleasing to the artist that creates it. How is midi guitar not acceptable ('synthetic')? I guess I am just confused with your point. Midi guitarists may be triggering samples, but they do have to play every note. How is usuing a drum machine that plays samples and is not manipulated in real time acceptable? And midi guitarists don't have to play samples- most of the fun is designing your own sounds. Dave Eichenberger- guitars.loops.devices http://home1.gte.net/artmusic/dave From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Mar 6 14:08:51 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA05849; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 14:08:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 14:08:51 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Jmash789@cs.com Message-ID: <40.196964f.25f55a99@cs.com> Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 14:01:45 EST Subject: Re: MP3 Looping To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: CompuServe 2000 32-bit sub 24 Resent-Message-ID: <"dyF74.0.Dr.b20nu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12629 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I have the original Rio MP3 player that came out a few years ago. Suprisingly it has a looping function built-in, in which one can select start and end times for 1 loop to run continuosly until the batteries run dead. I guess the max would be a 30 minute loop, or many smaller loops. Just thought I'd share this cool "unorthodox" looping device with the list. J Mash {exper:mental music director wmts 88.3} Nashville/Murfreesboro From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Mar 6 14:01:12 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA03276; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 14:01:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 14:01:12 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 10:50:58 -0800 From: "Mike Biffle" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, dtaaffe@indiana.edu, msottilaro@ppi2pass.com Subject: Re: Dennis Taffee and backing tracks... PERFORMANCE VALUES... Resent-Message-ID: <"urLW61.0.07.Dv_mu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12628 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >>> "Taaffe, Denis G" 03/06 9:15 AM >>> > WELl, I agree with the codpiece and hair extensions, I'm getting my codpiece gold plated soon. Ya gots ta please the audientzzz! Smoke machines sometimes help... > I was very opposed to using any kind of tape, samples, midi guitar or synthetic stuff and I still wont, But, if I believe what I say, then it doesn't matter how an artist get's it's sounds really, as long as the end product is pleasing to the artist that creates it. As a recordist or composer... yes. You should absolutely get what you need into the piece. No holds barred... But as a performer, you have to consider the integrity of your performance. Is it engaging? In what ways? I've been wrestling with my reasons for needing to perform and have others see me do my thing live... Why do it? What's different about it than a recording? Do I want a passive or active audience? Am I background or foreground? Do I have a message? Do I want to impress them? Do I care about them? Do I want to show them visually how I create the music? Not tell them how I do it? Why am I up there? To hear the applause? What!? I'm realizing that for me to try and recreate existing pieces and supply those elements with machines is a compromise at best... and poorly exectuted can be very distracting and unconvincing. (to me as well as the audience). It's often better for me to force myself to omit the support tracks and focus on what I CAN produce live... (and I'm guitly of relying a certain percent on less than that... it's just an ideal I consciously strive for.) > I watched bela fleck and they have this percussionist "future man" playing a synthax to create the drums. Worked for me, but didn't fit the standard drummer mold. AS far as to wether a machine taps the pads or wether someone does like future man does it doesn't really make a difference for me. I believe you're referring to his Zendrum... You still seem to be missing the point that he's actually playing the thing. If Bela just walked over to the Zendrum and turned it on and it played it's thing... I believe an important element would be lost. > Before I used the drum machine, my loops were all perceived as slow. Even if I was playing a very fast rythmic thing on the guitar.with the drums the listerner perceives that speed or upbeat thing. I do have tons of songs without any drums but not many like that are upbeat. So it's a good thing that you add the rythymic element to provide that sense of tempo. It solves a problem for you... Could you do it in a more interactive way? A way that engages the listener and yourself? Possibly not... and you might choose to still just turn it on and hit the fill switch. No problem... but examine your possibilities and further potentials. It's your own growth and relationships which will benefit. > I don't know, it's just people told me first I couldn't go out and play a solo electric gutiar show by myself, then I couldn't use a drum machine, I couldn't loop, I had to use midi,I had to have a band, I had to play this kind of style, I had to cnform to this style of writing, had to have long hair, had to....screw all that, I am happy with my musical progress and will continuing doing what I 'm doing, even with drum machine. I really love it and the sounds it creates. I value other's opinion's , but at this point I have to do what pleases me musically and my small drum machine does it for me . I like the way it sounds with my looping guit stuff. Oh yeah... I've heard a million reasons for why I CAN'T do certain things musically and as a performer. I'm with you there... Screw that! I'm old, bald, can be antagonistic and confrontive... I'm way past trying to fit preconceived commercial convention... I'm just trying to explore ways to make the live relationship engaging for me and my listeners. I've decided that if I've chosen to play for people, I WANT something from them... their engagement. To get that, I realize I have to provide something for them to relate to. I play some fairly "difficult listening" types of things and don't compromise my musical values to get the audience attention or diffuse the sharp edge... I'm talking about the ethics of responsibility to my muse as well as the performance environment. Bestest... -Miko From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Mar 6 14:26:21 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA10113; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 14:26:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 14:26:21 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.0 (1513) Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 11:23:56 -0800 Subject: Max/MSP looper From: Andrew Pask To: loopers Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"qssg73.0.V62.fK0nu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12631 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I just got handed this, it's a MAX looping system with VST plugin capability.I haven't had time to check it out fully but at the moment it appears to me not to support realtime sampling, but uses AIFF files.Mac only, you'll have to wait until the end of the year at least for PC Max (maybe).You need to go to the cycling'74 site and download the latest version of MAXPlay to make it go, I think all the instructions are there in the readme file http://loopool.live.fm Have fun A From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Mar 6 14:53:35 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA29108; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 14:53:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 14:53:35 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38C484A2.744BABCC@vtx.ch> Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 20:25:06 -0800 From: Claude voit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Dennis Taffee and backing tracks... PERFORMANCE VALUES... References: <7BAC931E644ED211A90C00805F65CB640282E083@georgia.exchange.indiana.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"dF4a53.0.u73.8Y0nu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12633 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com "Taaffe, Denis G" wrote: > > Howdy, -----SNIP------ Dennis what drum machine are you using Claude From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Mar 6 15:03:17 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA32234; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 15:03:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 15:03:17 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <7BAC931E644ED211A90C00805F65CB640282E084@georgia.exchange.indiana.edu> From: "Taaffe, Denis G" To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: RE: Dennis Taffee and backing tracks..drumloops... Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 14:27:54 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <"glFAe2.0.YY2.CS0nu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12632 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi trouble haha, oops can of worms opened..... Yes, well, ok, what I meant by that is that the stuff I loop is just standard guitar sounds, not synthesyzer sounds or samples triggered by midi. I have owned midi guits in the past and it takes just as much skill to play one as a regular guitar. I'm not knockng it in that way. But,it is triggering sounds from one note to a synthetic orchestra. designing your own sounds is still synthesized sounds. There is nothing wrong with that, but for me I wanted to see what I could do with just regular *(nonmidi guitar). I don't know midi guit is a great idea, but gosh I just played a synth the other day and the sounds you could get surely were perfect, but almost too much. Tangerine dream is like that. listen to there old stuff awesome sounds, new cd's well yeah it's tangerine dream but darn it synth sounds well.....the same...generic...maybe...I don't know too perfect almost....sterile?...I don't know, midi guitar just doesn' t allows you to trigger other sounds.Now I know you can do super cool stuff with guit synth (like steve morse for example). But it's just not for me.But I agree my drum machine is not different than a midi guitar really. But it's not the focus of my playing. Basically, I try to avoid synthesized , triggered stuff If I can. Sometimes though I can't find a good alternative. That's all I was saying. But I know especially now the new midi guitars are pretty dammn accurate tracking wise and such.And now add the VG-8 is it a guitar? is it a midi guitar? What the heck is it? both? Ok, thank you sir may I have another hahah...ready for your response hahaha Thanks Denis Denis Taaffe denis_aliengtr@geocities.com http://www.dtguitar.com How is midi guitar not acceptable ('synthetic')? From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Mar 6 14:58:26 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA30614; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 14:58:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 14:58:26 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000306194015.13339.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [171.211.227.73] Reply-To: flrscntbny@aol.com From: "fluorescent green" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: NEWBIE LOOPER NEEDS HELP DECIDING WHAT TO BUY!!! Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 19:40:15 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"dtEym2.0.AT3.0d0nu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12634 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Howdy loopers. This is a really long mail but i really need your help deciding what to buy. An advance thank you to all who read this and triple plus thanks to those who respond with help. Hope someday i can help some of you or maybe the next generation of loopers. Here is a description of where i am coming from and where i want to go...aka the project. I am a vocal percussionist [human beatbox] and an art student...so far I have been working completely un-amplified. I have been working on my "chops" and developing a vocabulary of sounds. I percuss for two college a cappella groups and for myself in live solo vocal drum and bass type stuff. The solo stuff has been fun and educational...but i really can't get a full-on groove going. Because I only have one set of lungs and one pair of lips I can only make so many noises simultaneously. Everything has been a single solo line. I have decided that looping is the best way for me to build layered soundscapes/pieces. I would lay down the bass/base beat start it looping and then add more layers. A simple three line visual score might look something like this (if the formatting keeps together from mail to mail). The letter groups represent different patterns as opposed to individual sounds and rhythms. ------------------------------------------------- misc ooooooo ooooooo ppppp qqqq qqqqqqqqqq snare/hi-hat ddd dddd eeee fffff ffffff bass line xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxx yyyyyyy yyy zzzzzz xxxxx ------------------------------------------------- Here is my problem. The lines need to be independant. What i mean by independant is this: separately adjustable. I should be able to take out or change the bass line without affecting any of the other lines. I was originaly just imaging digital delay pedals with a long delay...pedals would be great...three mics running to different pedals (separately adjustable)....running to a mixer where they could be individualy EQed. But pedals don't have a long enough delay and they tend to distort. The Boomerang was suggested and in my search for info on it i found looper's delight. I have looked at info on all the different things and have figured out this much: even with all the equipment available i still probably need three separate pieces of equipment. I can accept that. Now i just need to figure out what. My requirements are: at least 10 seconds of loop (12-15 would be nice)....easily adjustable (something like a foot-pedal with dials).....under $250.00 per (i'd probably start with one)....i don't need fancy features (emulated delays...reverse...etc) because i want the sounds as "live" and clean as possible, but i wouldn't mind if there were knobs and things i never used. right now i am considering the following. Line6 DL4 pedals (i am leaning towards this one) Akai Headrush (but why would i need four outs) Discontinued 30sec Boomerangs (this MIGHT be best) i'd like to know more about the DJRND2 (designed for turntables but possibly one of these might get close to what i need....but probably not) If anyone has any thoughts on this at all please respond. If i am unclear and you want to help but don't understand what the hell i am talking about please let me know. CCs to my account couldn't hurt if possible. Thank you all. Seth Davis - vocal percussionist and ninja turtle collector. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Mar 6 15:02:57 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA32200; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 15:02:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 15:02:57 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <7BAC931E644ED211A90C00805F65CB640282E083@georgia.exchange.indiana.edu> From: "Taaffe, Denis G" To: "'Mike Biffle'" , Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, "Taaffe, Denis G" , msottilaro@ppi2pass.com Subject: RE: Dennis Taffee and backing tracks... PERFORMANCE VALUES... Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 14:14:57 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <"HDT1-1.0.go1.7G0nu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12630 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Howdy, WELl, that is a lot too think about. Zendrum (man, that's a synthax, looks the same anyway or at least oginally was a syntha x no?0. Well, anyway, he may be playing the thing, but reallyt what is he doing? triggering samples,no? so I don't see too much difference between the two, personally. WIth my drum machine I have for gone midi syncing adn preset songs and I add fills on the fly (well even there I guess it changing patterns). But I just would not want to hit every drum with my feet. I saw Joe satriani years ago do always with you always with me live. He had this clean guitar part on tape /sample which played in the background. Normally I would have frowned on that, but it wasn't the focus of the song at all.the lead guitar part was I suppose.So I didn't pay much attention to it at all, but would miss it if were not there. That is the way I view my drum machine when I play live (solo). Hmmm, I also love the fact that I can run the drum machine through a delay and get some nice syncopated rythmns.I think that playing the entire drums withyour feet would be kind of hoaky, but I'll try it one time and see what happens. Hmmm, it could be better than tap dancing, moon walking, ......I'll try it and let you know. WEll, I mean I would rather use a drum machine than strap a dammn bass drum to my back (which then becomes a dammn novelty).hold on I have to go feed my pet monkey so he can get ready to pass the tip cup around as well while I play..... Denis Denis Taaffe denis_aliengtr@geocities.com http://www.dtguitar.com So it's a good thing that you add the rythymic element to provide that sense of tempo. It solves a problem for you... Could you do it in a more interactive way? From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Mar 6 15:18:05 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA04155; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 15:18:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 15:18:05 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38C40DE4.3C701622@minds-eye.org> Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 14:58:28 -0500 From: Kevin Cheli-Colando X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: loop Subject: Multi-vox tape echo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"R__sf2.0.7X7.ku0nu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12637 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hello all, a long shot of a question but, does anyone hear have an idea about how to go about finding a Multivox Multiecho tape unit (between $200-300 preferably)? I keep track of Ebay, Harmony Central and the usual suspects but have had no luck yet and thought I'd ask here. As I said, a long shot but worth asking I think Thanks Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Mar 6 15:10:37 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA01484; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 15:10:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 15:10:37 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Bad-Idea: su; rm -rf / X-Blasphemy: Invert me under my stars. Message-Id: <4.1.20000306123316.00c08100@realm-of-shade.com> X-Sender: reverendrob@realm-of-shade.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 12:45:59 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: the Reverend Rob Subject: RE: Dennis Taffee and backing tracks... PERFORMANCE VALUES... In-Reply-To: <7BAC931E644ED211A90C00805F65CB640282E083@georgia.exchange. indiana.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"joKG9.0.Y67.uo0nu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12635 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At or around 02:14 PM 3/6/00 -0500, Taaffe, Denis G wrote: > WELl, that is a lot too think about. Zendrum (man, that's a synthax, >looks the same anyway or at least oginally was a syntha x no?0. Well, >anyway, he may be playing the thing, but reallyt what is he doing? >triggering samples,no? so I don't see too much difference between the two, >personally. My preferred partner in crime when I'm in Chicago for any sort of experimental or looping music plays a drum machine, with the key word being "plays", rather than lets the pattern slam away in MIDI sync. There's a world of difference between a machine played by a human being and the synthetic "rhythm" of letting a machine just go on its own..even if the human being is just triggering samples. That human triggering samples can compensate for time differences, go off-beat to achieve a particular end, or even choose not to trigger one at all for effect. I haven't seen a machine that will do that. > I saw >Joe satriani years ago do always with you always with me live. He had this >clean guitar part on tape /sample which played in the background. Normally I >would have frowned on that, but it wasn't the focus of the song at all.the >lead guitar part was I suppose. The difference here is whether one looks at the song as a "total" package versus simply a vehicle for lead guitar work. Personally, I'm not into the latter at all, and this coming from a guitarist. I remember seeing various guitar gods throughout the 80s trying to perform with drum machines or similar tape backups, and walking away feeling cheated and unimpressed. Interestingly enough, my original criticism of the drum program rushing the tempo applied to much of the performances I saw then as well; to create an "uptempo" feel, they'd rush the drum machine and add some hokey artificial sounding "I am Guitar God" drum track in the background. >So I didn't pay much attention to it at all, >but would miss it if were not there. That is the way I view my drum machine >when I play live (solo). To play the devil's advocate, that's in the same vein as muttering to the audience, "Well, my tone sucks tonight because I didn't feel like bringing my gear, and I'm going to hum the solos to my songs", and expecting them to ignore the subpar experience. Whether it's dismal drum machines or badly sync'd industrial music or some kid whose Marshall is turned way too high and feeding back to ear-splitting levels, it's a bit much to expect a listener to ignore whatever deficiency might be present. == the Reverend Rob ICQ: 1280871 http://www.realm-of-shade.com .`. .`. .`. .`. http://www.qblh.com ================================================================= "I prefer not to kill people, but I'd like to destroy as much property as possible." - Grace Slick, from the Airplane FBI file ================================================================= http://www.reverendrob.com : feedback and echo MP3s From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Mar 6 15:14:42 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA02856; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 15:14:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 15:14:42 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Bad-Idea: su; rm -rf / X-Blasphemy: Invert me under my stars. Message-Id: <4.1.20000306124818.00a1e100@realm-of-shade.com> X-Sender: reverendrob@realm-of-shade.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 12:49:04 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: the Reverend Rob Subject: RE: RE: Dennis Taffee and backing tracks..drumloops... In-Reply-To: <7BAC931E644ED211A90C00805F65CB640282E084@georgia.exchange. indiana.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"TBcBj2.0.yO7.Ur0nu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12636 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At or around 02:27 PM 3/6/00 -0500, Taaffe, Denis G wrote: > But it's just not for me.But I agree >my drum machine is not different than a midi guitar really. But it's not the >focus of my playing. It's the focus of the listener, though. == the Reverend Rob ICQ: 1280871 http://www.realm-of-shade.com .`. .`. .`. .`. http://www.qblh.com ================================================================= "I prefer not to kill people, but I'd like to destroy as much property as possible." - Grace Slick, from the Airplane FBI file ================================================================= http://www.reverendrob.com : feedback and echo MP3s From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Mar 6 15:39:36 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA09466; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 15:39:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 15:39:36 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Bad-Idea: su; rm -rf / X-Blasphemy: Invert me under my stars. Message-Id: <4.1.20000306125027.00a20100@realm-of-shade.com> X-Sender: reverendrob@realm-of-shade.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 12:55:22 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: the Reverend Rob Subject: RE: RE: Dennis Taffee and backing tracks..drumloops... In-Reply-To: <7BAC931E644ED211A90C00805F65CB640282E07B@georgia.exchange. indiana.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"mlBdl.0.5s7.Ox0nu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12638 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At or around 12:15 PM 3/6/00 -0500, Taaffe, Denis G wrote: >Before I used the drum machine, >my loops were all perceived as slow. Even if I was playing a very fast >rythmic thing on the guitar.with the drums the listerner perceives that >speed or upbeat thing. Interesting; I've played extensively live and on tape with and without percussion, and haven't ever received a complaint about unintended "slowness" or perceived it on recordings. If I put in a slow or atmospheric loop on one rack, a somewhat faster rhythm track on another, and then duel it out on the third loop with the live instrument, there's a whole depth of speed and sound going on. >I don't know, it's just people told me first I >couldn't go out and play a solo electric gutiar show by myself, then I >couldn't use a drum machine, I couldn't loop, I had to use midi,I had to >have a band, I had to play this kind of style, I had to cnform to this style >of writing, had to have long hair, had to....screw all that, I am happy with >my musical progress and will continuing doing what I 'm doing, even with >drum machine. I've gotten similar statements over the years, from before I even started playing seriously. Then again, I still don't use MIDI; I still don't use a drum machine; I don't play any particular style, and in the end, I just make what I want to make. The difference, though, I suppose, is when one asks for criticism, and gets it, where to go from there. == the Reverend Rob ICQ: 1280871 http://www.realm-of-shade.com .`. .`. .`. .`. http://www.qblh.com ================================================================= "I prefer not to kill people, but I'd like to destroy as much property as possible." - Grace Slick, from the Airplane FBI file ================================================================= http://www.reverendrob.com : feedback and echo MP3s From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Mar 6 16:04:52 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA16717; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 16:04:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 16:04:52 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <7BAC931E644ED211A90C00805F65CB640282E08B@georgia.exchange.indiana.edu> From: "Taaffe, Denis G" To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Dennis Taffee and backing tracks... PERFORMANCE VALUES... Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 15:43:43 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <"ULjUf3.0.Jp2.KZ1nu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12640 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com hi, I use an alesissr-16 into a mackie mixer (w/eq) then into an f/x unit then out to 2 2x12 cabs and 2 bass cabs. Thanks Denis Denis Taaffe denis_aliengtr@geocities.com http://www.dtguitar.com -----Original Message----- From: Claude voit [mailto:c.voit@vtx.ch] Sent: Monday, March 06, 2000 11:25 PM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Dennis Taffee and backing tracks... PERFORMANCE VALUES... "Taaffe, Denis G" wrote: > > Howdy, -----SNIP------ Dennis what drum machine are you using Claude From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Mar 6 15:57:15 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA14803; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 15:57:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 15:57:15 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4130296@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: backing tracks... PERFORMANCE VALUES... Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 15:20:14 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.10) Resent-Message-ID: <"5x7gl3.0.vA2.RS1nu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12639 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > I was very opposed to using any kind of tape, samples, midi guitar or synthetic stuff and I still wont, But, if I believe what I say, then it doesn't matter how an artist get's it's sounds really, as long as the end product is pleasing to the artist that creates it. - -As a recordist or composer... yes. You should absolutely get what you need into the piece. No holds barred... - - But as a performer, you have to consider the integrity of your performance. Is it engaging? In what ways? - - I'm realizing that for me to try and recreate existing pieces and supply those elements with machines is a compromise at best... ** interesting points. i think that it's worth remembering that the original post about the drum machine issue was that it wasn't working (for that person's taste, mind you) as an auditory experience only - - not as a performance issue (or at least i didn't notice any anti-drum machine bias). i believe it comes down to what you're happy with - - and whether or not it can live up to YOUR critical scrutiny. if you would keep the live performance the same way as a recorded performance (in this case leaving a the same drum machine performance stand), than you're in there. IF you feel like it would be better as a studio creation, then my suggestion is that you would need to reconsider/change some of what you're doing. i generally learn a lot from listening and realizing what i don't like about my performances, or those of others . . . often i learn more from something that i "dislike" than i do from things that i "like." which leads me to the idea that i'm trying to create something that i would like to listen to - - and that i could listen to CRITICALLY. so . . . i don't really worry about if the audience would be getting bored with a loop or a drum machine pattern, or what have you; i get worried about whether i'm getting bored with those things, in real time during the performance. hopefully the audience will enjoy it too, and i like audience members who can be critical of a performance in a meaningful way. if it works for you musically, be happy; if you feel that it could be better, analyze why and try to deal with it. just my ante, stig From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Mar 6 16:23:05 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA22276; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 16:23:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 16:23:05 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000306210157.34365.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [204.247.186.99] From: "matt davignon" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: SoundForge installation help please! Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 13:01:57 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"QrxBI3.0.g04.dp1nu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12641 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com It is not an upgrade. It's the full version (4.05 I think.) I have the box and everything. Thanks for writing though. >From: "Mike McGary" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >To: >Subject: RE: SoundForge installation help please! >Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 08:59:46 -0600 > > > > The exact message it gives me is "Unable to determine the previous > > installation's directory". It gives me only an "Okay" button (no > > "details" > > or "advanced" button). The okay button exits the installer. > >Sounds like you bought an 'upgrade' and not a 'full copy'. The >upgrade assumes you bought a full copy before and it looks for it >on your machine. Some packages take this approach....others >need to know your original installation key as well as the new one. > > -Mike McGary > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Mar 6 16:47:29 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA28330; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 16:47:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 16:47:29 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <7BAC931E644ED211A90C00805F65CB640282E08E@georgia.exchange.indiana.edu> From: "Taaffe, Denis G" To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: RE: Dennis Taffee and backing tracks..drumloops... Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 16:23:37 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <"hsDoG1.0.jV5.h82nu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12642 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hello, Perhaps that is what is going, on but if the ear has no reference point to base that "speed agaisn't" then it doesn't come off that way for me anyway. I also love to use slower loops and contrast that with faster percusive things. Though I'm sure we don't sound alike, so our methods perhaps are not the same.Which is a good thing or it would be quite boring. As far as the critcism, you can learn from others opinion without having to agree with them. peace, Denis Denis Taaffe denis_aliengtr@geocities.com http://www.dtguitar.com -- Interesting; I've played extensively live and on tape with and without percussion, and haven't ever received a complaint about unintended "slowness" or perceived it on recordings. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Mar 6 16:54:24 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA30930; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 16:54:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 16:54:24 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <7BAC931E644ED211A90C00805F65CB640282E090@georgia.exchange.indiana.edu> From: "Taaffe, Denis G" To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: RE: Dennis Taffee and backing tracks..drumloops... Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 16:31:43 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <"mXYfk1.0.286.IG2nu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12643 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com REverend enough confession please....haha Know it isn't really, yes the listener hears the drum machine but like I explained with the joe satriani concert it is not the focus of the music, perhaps what the focus is the loops, yet if the drum machine wasn't there it would be missed. well that's how I feel about my stuff anyway. tru I guess if the lsitener is focusing on the drums the whole time, but that would kind of odd no? I guess it wouldn't if you were a drummer .... Denis From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Mar 6 17:02:09 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA32655; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 17:02:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 17:02:09 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <7BAC931E644ED211A90C00805F65CB640282E091@georgia.exchange.indiana.edu> From: "Taaffe, Denis G" To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Denis Taaffe and backing tracks... PERFORMANCE VALUES... Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 16:42:08 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <"PA4cA.0.7o6.3Q2nu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12644 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Oh Ok the first part of your message is understood . I agree they are not the same and I haven't seen a machine do that. But really for most of my stuff the drum machine works great. But I am offended at your second point. Just because the drum machine is not the focus of my music doesn't make it a vehicle for lead guitar work. that's a generic ignorant statement. I feel my drum machine compliments my guitar playing in general, my chordal style, rythmn playing, etc.. and certainly not as a vehicle for lead work.I'm sensing some bitterness or something. Well to each his own. . I'm sure if I listend to your music I would want to change some things as well.But that is why we can all be musicians, beacuse we have different opinions.My music is what it is, and I'm pleased with it. Denis Denis Taaffe denis_aliengtr@geocities.com http://www.dtguitar.com -----Original Message----- From: the Reverend Rob [mailto:reverendrob@realm-of-shade.com] Sent: Monday, March 06, 2000 2:46 PM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: Dennis Taffee and backing tracks... PERFORMANCE VALUES... The difference here is whether one looks at the song as a "total" package versus simply a vehicle for lead guitar work. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Mar 6 17:26:20 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA07291; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 17:26:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 17:26:20 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Bad-Idea: su; rm -rf / X-Blasphemy: Invert me under my stars. Message-Id: <4.1.20000306144323.00c01210@realm-of-shade.com> X-Sender: reverendrob@realm-of-shade.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 15:13:36 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: the Reverend Rob Subject: RE: Denis Taaffe and backing tracks... PERFORMANCE VALUES... In-Reply-To: <7BAC931E644ED211A90C00805F65CB640282E091@georgia.exchange. indiana.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"JMXKs1.0.2P1.6z2nu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12645 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At or around 04:42 PM 3/6/00 -0500, Taaffe, Denis G wrote: >But I am offended at your second point. Time to take some Valium, then. I'll quote your original statement below, and my reply in context: You stated: " I saw Joe satriani years ago do always with you always with me live. He had this clean guitar part on tape /sample which played in the background. Normally I would have frowned on that, but it wasn't the focus of the song at all.the lead guitar part was I suppose." I replied: "The difference here is whether one looks at the song as a "total" package versus simply a vehicle for lead guitar work. Personally, I'm not into the latter at all, and this coming from a guitarist. I remember seeing various guitar gods throughout the 80s trying to perform with drum machines or similar tape backups, and walking away feeling cheated and unimpressed." > Just because the drum machine is not >the focus of my music doesn't make it a vehicle for lead guitar work. Interesting; I was referencing specifically your statement about Satriani; I hadn't in particular sat down to apply the drum machine track in question to this paradigm, but after examination of all the tracks available on the mp3.com site (thank gods for my office T1), it certainly appears so to this listener in the majority of songs presented. It's very similar to the 80s guitar god stuff I listened to in high school, which isn't a criticism in and of itself. The genre, however, generally is a vehicle for lead guitar work, despite the frequent claims of "we're song-based" or "feel-driven" or whatever phrasing is being used by the infamous Shrapnel Records this week. I don't see what's necessarily bad with this approach, though, assuming that one is honest about it. The drum machine tracks on some of your other pieces I listened to aren't nearly as difficult to listen to as on "ZXMOTO", probably because they're not trying to be so upbeat in a static manner. >that's >a generic ignorant statement. If I feel cheated by a piece of music or performance, there isn't any ignorance involved. If I go to a performance that isn't advertised as "X with backing tapes" or something equivalent, I have every right to feel cheated if I expected a live music experience instead of an instrument clinic. >I'm sensing some bitterness or something. Actually, you appear to be taking things rather out of context and in an oversensitive manner. I'd have to have something to be bitter about to express bitterness; there isn't enough of a relationship here to be bitter about much of anything, and we're in two drastically different genres and geographic regions to ever consider the 'local rivalry' crap. >Well to each his own. . I'm sure if I listend to your music I would want to >change some things as well. I'm sure you probably would; the thing is, have you taken the time to do so? You asked for comments on your work; I gave it. Next time I won't waste a hour. == the Reverend Rob ICQ: 1280871 http://www.realm-of-shade.com .`. .`. .`. .`. http://www.qblh.com ================================================================= "I prefer not to kill people, but I'd like to destroy as much property as possible." - Grace Slick, from the Airplane FBI file ================================================================= http://www.reverendrob.com : feedback and echo MP3s From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Mar 6 17:37:15 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA10504; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 17:37:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 17:37:15 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38C431CA.3DB16E61@ppi2pass.com> Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 14:31:39 -0800 From: Mark Sottilaro Reply-To: msottilaro@ppi2pass.com Organization: PPI X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: If a looper loops in the woods... References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"o3EJf.0.oC2.z73nu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12646 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mike Biffle wrote: > But as a performer, you have to consider the integrity of your > performance. Is it engaging? In what ways? I've been wrestling with my > reasons for needing to perform and have others see me do my thing > live... Why do it? What's different about it than a recording? Do I > want a passive or active audience? Am I background or foreground? Do I > have a message? Do I want to impress them? Do I care about them? Do I > want to show them visually how I create the music? Not tell them how I > do it? Why am I up there? To hear the applause? What!? > > YES! I've been asking myself these exact questions for a long time. I love to play with other musicians, and playing live "gigs" has always been the thing to do. Why? To get my gear out of the house? My most rewarding playing experiences are usually when a few friends come over and we improvise together. No one is worrying about filling a club to pay for the PA, entertaining an audience, or why has everything that worked in my studio now be failing? The result? Pure honest art, made for it's own sake. Often I think I play live because I feel that I should. If a guitarist loops in the woods... Then there are the times that you really TURN SOMEONE ON! This can be really gratifying, especially when they were not familiar with the type of music that you were performing. Opening up a door for someone is nice. Then there are the times that I power up the gear, fill the JamMan memory up and just let go... all alone. Then, when it's over, you pull the plug. No audience, no record at all. I think that can be equally gratifying. Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Mar 6 18:09:32 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA18369; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 18:09:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 18:09:32 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 15:01:28 -0800 From: "Mike Biffle" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, msottilaro@ppi2pass.com Subject: Re: If a looper loops in the woods... Resent-Message-ID: <"USODG3.0.uv3.oZ3nu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12647 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > Mark Sottilaro... YES! I've been asking myself these exact questions for a long time. I love to play with other musicians, and playing live "gigs" has always been the thing to do. Why? To get my gear out of the house? The gear DOES sometimes seem to justify the gig! 8-) Significant others usually are a bit more understanding when it actually goes out the door and there's an actual gig happening! I'd say ego's involved, but it's also obvious that I'm driven to play incessantly anyway... Sometimes in the most meandering and unfocused manner, sometimes with great direction. An audience certainly ups the ante and demands that we deliever our "best" performance (whatever that may be...) The feedback from others sometimes counts for a lot! (Thanks to all here who have helped me grow!) > My most rewarding playing experiences are usually when a few friends come over and we improvise together. No one is worrying about filling a club to pay for the PA, entertaining an audience, or why has everything that worked in my studio now be failing? The result? Pure honest art, made for it's own sake. That's often my favorite environment... just the players. There can be pressures which mitigate the situation then as well though. Hopefully we all inspire and incite better playing from each other. > Often I think I play live because I feel that I should. If a guitarist loops in the woods... The old "Because It's There!" explanation. I feel that it creates milestones where one can deliver what they hope represents their current thinking, instead of waiting for some dated recording to come out. > Then there are the times that you really TURN SOMEONE ON! This can be really gratifying, especially when they were not familiar with the type of music that you were performing. Opening up a door for someone is nice. If but one person shows support and "get" what you're up to on some level, there's immediately the validation that what you're doing is working and meaningful. That's sometimes worth a million bucks... (well... maybe not! 8-)) > Then there are the times that I power up the gear, fill the JamMan memory up and just let go... all alone. Then, when it's over, you pull the plug. No audience, no record at all. I think that can be equally gratifying. Mark Sottilaro Ah... crafty on topic item there Mark! Yep... my most sublime moments are usually alone, listening and responding freely to what I've just played... often very long pieces (tape on hopefully but usually off...) Very much in the moment and it's own reward. -m From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Mar 6 19:49:44 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA09846; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 19:49:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 19:49:44 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Misha" To: Subject: Discuss Amongst Yourselves.... Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 19:46:46 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <"I7Em33.0.Dr1.p15nu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12648 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Misha here, Dave's (usually) non-looping singer/flutist. Some time ago I read a book called 'Twilight of the Clockwork God- Conversations on Science and Spirituality at the End of an Age'. Among those interviewed were physicist Brian Swimme, Rupert Sheldrake, Terence McKenna, and William Irwin Thompson. A pretty good read all-in-all. Below is a snip of the interview with Deepak Chopra (who, methinks is quite the snake-oil salesman, but in any case...) he said some interesting things....below he is referring to the universe: 'There's so much activity in what we see as nothingness. Actually, what we see as a material world is less than one billionth of a billionth of a billionth of it and we think that's where the activity is. Most of the activity is in the unmanifest, and the unmanifest is not just information and energy, it has self-referral feedback loops. it feeds back upon its own self and as it does, creates loops. And that's what intelligence is. the only difference between intelligence and ordinary information is that intelligence is information which has the ability to evolve, to learn from its own experience, to actually create more abstract, more flexible and therefore more creative expressions of its own self. so we begin with chaos and then out of that chaotic soup of intelligence there emerges order and then chaos again and then order again. this is the way consciousness behaves.' Taking this in a musical direction one may surmise that not only are loops archetypal, but genetic: built into the very fabric of life. Trance-inducing repetitious music like African drumming, chanting, ecstatic dancing- all loops (without a machine)- all made to connect the human with the cosmos, to transcend normal consciousness....perhaps the modern mechanics and technology used for looping is an expression of that need and perhaps also a manifestation of the consciousness of the universe itself. Like, wow, far out man. Misha ********************************** 'Future Perfect' - art music http://home1.gte.net/artmusic 'Hazard Factor' - spontaneous grooves http://home1.gte.net/artmusic/hazard Dave Eichenberger- guitars/loops/devices http://home1.gte.net/artmusic/dave From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Mar 6 20:55:53 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA25770; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 20:55:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 20:55:53 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 21:44:50 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Patrick Smith Subject: Music in Spain Resent-Message-ID: <"I6gtE2.0.i-5.T26nu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12649 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Leaving for Madrid and Barcelona later this week for some R&R. Anyone know any good places to hear off the wall musci in either of these places? Patrick Fingerpaint's New Release: IN THE LOOP ... an intelligent, stimulating mixture of mimimaist spacebeats and obscure samples layered upon a hypnotic illbient backdrop. DIGITAL ARTIFACT # 12 http://www.fingerpaint.net From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Mar 6 21:30:05 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA02227; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 21:30:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 21:30:05 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000307022539.9670.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [199.179.183.167] Reply-To: dj_devious_d@hotmail.com From: "Devious D_MasterMixer" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: SoundForge installation help please! Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 18:25:39 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"IZBRl.0.EF.2Z6nu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12650 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Looks like you have been stung by the WaReZ O f RADIUM. Yea, the cracked version of Sound Forge Sonic Foundry does screw up any installation of the new legal version, so YOU MUST unistall it first. You will also have to edit your Registry to eliminate any KEYS associated with the Cracked version. Now i know Sonic Foundry is aware of rhe cracked version of Sound Forge, and i KNOW they have worms that detect it, but i am not sure if they disable any new installs of the legal version... hummmmm ? ----Original Message Follows---- From: "matt davignon" Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Subject: SoundForge installation help please! Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2000 23:08:18 PST I need SoundForge help!!! I'm trying to install my legal copy and it won't let me! It gives me a message saying "SoundForge is unable to locate the original installation" or something like that. I had a cracked version and just bought a legal version. I guess it doesn't like that there was an older version there. Does anyone know how to get this to work? ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Mar 6 22:02:11 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA09663; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 22:02:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 22:02:11 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <003101bf87e0$5d7c1420$90f993cd@-> From: "Bill Fox" To: Subject: EMUSIC Playlist Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 21:53:28 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"bILIs3.0.B22.407nu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12651 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ. Show #154 March 2, 2000. On this show, I began a month-long focus on the seventh annual Alfa Centauri music festival in Huizen, The Netherlands. Tonight's Feature CD at Midnight was Species by Wave World on the Quantum label. The music of Vir Unis and Saul Stokes was played to promote their upcoming performances at the next Gathering. The Gathering http://www.starsend.org/23gather.html ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== 11:04 pm Medwyn Goodall 1 Millennium (New World Music) Stratosphere Moving Pictures Life Reviewed (Spheric Recordings) Mind~Flux Transition Konception of Space (IC/Digit Music) Eric Snelders The Singularity Trap The Source of Scarlet Dreams (Quantum) Saul Stokes Sweet Paraffin Washed in Mercury (Hypnos) Steve Verity The Ascent (Part I) Digital Planet (Atomic City) VA [Vir Unis] The Undivided Flow The Ambient Expanse (Mirage) Robert Rich Beyond (Part 2) Humidity (Hypnos) 12:00 am Wave World The Quest Species (Quantum) Wave World Urban Distance Species (Quantum) Wave World Trance Planet Species (Quantum) Wave World Momentum Species (Quantum) Wave World Talk to Me Species (Quantum) Wave World El Nino Species (Quantum) Wave World Life's Orchestra Species (Quantum) 1:00 am * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) On the next EMUSIC, I'll continue the month-long focus on the seventh annual Alfa Centauri Electronic Music Festival. The feature CD at midnight will be "Humidity" by Robert Rich on the Hypnos label. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Mar 6 23:25:18 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA02372; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 23:25:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 23:25:18 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 20:03:41 -0800 From: Alan Barnard Subject: RE: If a looper loops in the woods... In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Resent-Message-ID: <"cRMQA.0.WS6.C_7nu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12652 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > > My most rewarding playing experiences are usually when a few > friends come over and we improvise together. No one is worrying about > filling a club to pay for the PA, entertaining an audience, or why > has everything that worked in my studio now be failing? The result? > Pure honest art, made for it's own sake. IMHO, I believe that some of the best "honest art" takes place in the light of day in front of a good audience with open ears. Honest, sincere and spontaneous feedback can inspire to new levels and instruct in ways an introspective jam session cannot. This debate, of course, is as old as art itself... Best regards, Alan. ________________________________ Alan Barnard Digital Drummer/Percussionist e-drums@pacbell.net http://www.kiene.com/epercussion From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Mar 7 04:05:08 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA09629; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 04:05:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 04:05:08 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <005101bf880f$ca2f55d0$51cec22b@camb.scee.sony.co.uk> From: "Os" To: References: Subject: Re: Music in Spain Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 08:33:14 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: <"mf7CN3.0.Td.dxBnu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12653 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Don't know any venues, but Spanish national radio 3 had some good programs on last time I was there... os. ----- Original Message ----- From: Patrick Smith To: Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2000 2:44 AM Subject: Music in Spain > Leaving for Madrid and Barcelona later this week for some R&R. Anyone know > any good places to hear off the wall musci in either of these places? > > Patrick > Fingerpaint's New Release: > > IN THE LOOP > > ... an intelligent, stimulating mixture of mimimaist spacebeats and > obscure samples layered upon a hypnotic illbient backdrop. > > DIGITAL ARTIFACT # 12 > > http://www.fingerpaint.net > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Mar 7 05:51:36 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA32538; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 05:51:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 05:51:36 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "mark red" To: Subject: RE: Music in Spain Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 11:27:37 +0100 Message-ID: <001701bf881f$c227dfa0$879f12c3@mark.grape.no> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 In-Reply-To: <005101bf880f$ca2f55d0$51cec22b@camb.scee.sony.co.uk> Resent-Message-ID: <"eAsIE.0.rH6.AVDnu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12654 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Patrick, Not sure about specific "off the wall" music, but Barcelona is one of the coolest cities in the world (IMHO) And I can recommend you searching out a very strange bar called the "Bar Marseille" (I think) its in one of the tiny streets to the south of the "Ramblas", near to the docks, I think near to the new Modern Art Gallery. Why should you see it? Its just very weird! Strange folk music, Drag Acts/performers, but in a very traditional setting. In fact the bar has been given special permission to serve "Absinthe", the illegal (in most countries) drink of Artists, poets and Musicians in times gone by. A very seedy yet facinating evening out...You'll love it! Beware tho the area is ...umm ...not a very good one, best go in a group! MArk Red, > > > Leaving for Madrid and Barcelona later this week for some R&R. > Anyone know > > any good places to hear off the wall musci in either of these places? > > > > Patrick > > Fingerpaint's New Release: > > > > IN THE LOOP > > > > ... an intelligent, stimulating mixture of mimimaist > spacebeats and > > obscure samples layered upon a hypnotic illbient backdrop. > > > > DIGITAL ARTIFACT # 12 > > > > http://www.fingerpaint.net > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Mar 7 06:09:45 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA03869; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 06:09:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 06:09:45 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: johnmcc@aldiscon.ie Subject: Re: Music in Spain To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.2b (Intl) 16 December 1999 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 10:37:08 +0000 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on DublinDomino01/SRV/Aldiscon(Release 5.0.2a (Intl)|23 November 1999) at 07/03/2000 10:37:10 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"O-6Rw2.0.q87.wlDnu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12655 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi Patrick, I can also recommend Barcelona. I went during the Merce festival, and there was music everywhere. The Ramblas that Mark mentioned is the main street of the old town, and I saw some buskers near the top (north) end of that. One was a guy called Carlos Vamos, playing electric guitar using two-handed tapping, and using realtime loops. He did a pretty mean version of Little Wing. (I bought up a CD - support the looping arts). He was taking turns doing tunes with a guy whose name I didn't get, but he was doing looping using a lute (!). There's also an information system in the tourist office (near the central metro station) where you can click on live music, and it'll display a list of venues, complete with maps. Technology, eh? John From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Mar 7 09:55:12 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA24217; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 09:55:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 09:55:12 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <7BAC931E644ED211A90C00805F65CB640282E099@georgia.exchange.indiana.edu> From: "Taaffe, Denis G" To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Denis Taaffe and backing tracks... PERFORMANCE VALUES... Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 09:48:24 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <"VK4Se.0.Ia5.FSHnu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12656 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com your entitled to your opinion denis - >change some things as well. I'm sure you probably would; the thing is, have you taken the time to do so? You asked for comments on your work; I gave it. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Mar 7 10:27:49 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA32389; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 10:27:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 10:27:49 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <004c01bf8848$62daea00$39cf08cf@donaldpancoe> From: "Don Pancoe" To: Subject: Fw: New MIDI Footcontroller From Axess Electronics Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 10:18:22 -0500 Organization: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Resent-Message-ID: <"CXxGp1.0.dX7.auHnu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12657 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Saw this on alt.guitar.effects. Looks like another "fully programmable" MIDI controller that does NOT include MIDI notes... -- Mango -- > Features & Specifications: > > - The MFC5 MIDI Footcontroller is a rugged, compact, > simple to use, fully programmable MIDI footcontroller. > - 82 presets are arranged into 27 banks of 3 presets, > plus 1 "global" preset which is common to all banks. > - Each preset can transmit 8 MIDI Control Changes and > 2 MIDI Program Changes on 3 different MIDI Channels. > - Capable of controlling rack effects and 8 loops and/or > control functions on most commercial switchers. > - User Data is stored in Non-Volatile EEPROM memory. > - A large three-character seven-segment display allows > for easy viewing of the bank number and editing data. > - Five long-lasting, heavy-duty Carling stomp switches > (the real ones...) offer a positive tactile feel. > - Powered by a 9VAC Adapter with a 5.5mm/2.1mm barrel > connector or through a 7-pin MIDI cable. > - Housed in a compact (7.40" x 4.70" x 1.46") and rugged > diecast aluminum enclosure for years of reliable use > and performance. > - Finished with a durable black powder coat paint with > white epoxy ink screen-printing. > > The 1st batch of MFC5's are scheduled to start shipping > mid-April at an introductory price of $180us !!! > > For more information, please visit http://www.axess-electronics.com > > Designed & Manufactured by; > > Axess Electronics > 251 Queen Street South #278 > Mississauga, Ontario L5M 1L7 > Canada > > TEL 416-410-9688 > FAX 905-826-7771 From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Mar 7 11:37:06 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA16835; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 11:37:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 11:37:06 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <07a901bf8851$5dc62b20$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_magi=80cicada?= Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 11:22:43 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"KR1x41.0.Fe3.RtInu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12658 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I'm interested! Give me details! Postal addresses! Etc. Dennis Leas ----------------------------- dennis@mdbs.com -----Original Message----- From: c.white To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Sunday, March 05, 2000 10:28 PM Subject: magi€cicada > > >a new cd from magi€cicada limited to 100 handmade copies > > > recorded live to minidisc using: waterphone,circuit bent casios,found >soounds, homemade instruments, toys,vocals, and many springs. > >experimental sounds from a tinker and his toys..minimal (to none) beats and >layered drones all recorded live > > > > > 12.50 includes shipping for the united states > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Mar 7 11:59:54 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA23020; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 11:59:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 11:59:54 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: magicicada@mindspring.com Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2000 11:41:21 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_magi=80cicada?= Sender: magicicada@mindspring.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: 170.140.104.69 Resent-Message-ID: <"JjSBY2.0.1Q4.q4Jnu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12659 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mr.dennis 331 lakeshore drive stockbridege georgia 30281 12.50 all hand painted every 10th cd has secret songs hope you enjoy it Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com wrote: > I'm interested! Give me details! Postal addresses! Etc. Dennis Leas ----------------------------- dennis@mdbs.com -----Original Message----- From: c.white To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Sunday, March 05, 2000 10:28 PM Subject: magi€cicada > > >a new cd from magi€cicada limited to 100 handmade copies > > > recorded live to minidisc using: waterphone,circuit bent casios,found >soounds, homemade instruments, toys,vocals, and many springs. > >experimental sounds from a tinker and his toys..minimal (to none) beats and >layered drones all recorded live > > > > > 12.50 includes shipping for the united states > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Mar 7 12:33:09 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA31433; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 12:33:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 12:33:09 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: magicicada@mindspring.com Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2000 12:25:46 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Re: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_magi=80cicada?= Sender: magicicada@mindspring.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: 170.140.104.69 Resent-Message-ID: <"52bOp2.0.VH7.VkJnu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12660 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com make all checks payable to christopher white Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com wrote: > Mr.dennis331 lakeshore drive stockbridege georgia 30281 12.50 all hand painted every 10th cd has secret songs hope you enjoy it Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com wrote: > I'm interested! 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Dennis Leas ----------------------------- dennis@mdbs.com -----Original Message----- From: c.white To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Sunday, March 05, 2000 10:28 PM Subject: magi€cicada > > >a new cd from magi€cicada limited to 100 handmade copies > > > recorded live to minidisc using: waterphone,circuit bent casios,found >soounds, homemade instruments, toys,vocals, and many springs. > >experimental sounds from a tinker and his toys..minimal (to none) beats and >layered drones all recorded live > > > > > 12.50 includes shipping for the united states > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Mar 7 13:40:39 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA16203; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 13:40:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 13:40:39 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38C54AC1.C0F6704D@pop.agri.ch> Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2000 19:30:25 +0100 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Jes=FAs=20Turi=F1o?= Reply-To: j-turino@pop.agri.ch Organization: i45 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [de] (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: de,es MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Music in Spain References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by rosy.yourwebhost.com id NAA13781 Resent-Message-ID: <"enBHZ3.0.ZN3.7jKnu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12661 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Spain is full of music, just enjoy it ... everywhere! Mucha suerte y cuidate, Jesús Patrick Smith schrieb: > Leaving for Madrid and Barcelona later this week for some R&R. Anyone know > any good places to hear off the wall musci in either of these places? > > Patrick > Fingerpaint's New Release: > > IN THE LOOP > > ... an intelligent, stimulating mixture of mimimaist spacebeats and > obscure samples layered upon a hypnotic illbient backdrop. > > DIGITAL ARTIFACT # 12 > > http://www.fingerpaint.net From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Mar 7 15:51:04 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA17038; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 15:51:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 15:51:04 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <016401bf8874$2a00e9b0$5a05020a@beelzejuice.mecasw.com> Reply-To: "Ken M" From: "Ken Melms" To: Subject: Re: Discuss Amongst Yourselves.... Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 15:31:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 Resent-Message-ID: <"3sejF2.0.wg2.wPMnu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12662 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In this vein - try this URL, and see how the world we live in, the universe we are so entranced with, is being proven to be simply an abstract association that forms out of any type of chaos. http://www.newscientist.com/features/features.jsp?id=ns22273 peace. Ken -----Original Message----- From: Misha To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Monday, March 06, 2000 8:03 PM Subject: Discuss Amongst Yourselves.... >Misha here, Dave's (usually) non-looping singer/flutist. Some time ago I >read a book called 'Twilight of the Clockwork God- Conversations on Science >and Spirituality at the End of an Age'. Among those interviewed were >physicist Brian Swimme, Rupert Sheldrake, Terence McKenna, and William Irwin >Thompson. A pretty good read all-in-all. Below is a snip of the interview >with Deepak Chopra (who, methinks is quite the snake-oil salesman, but in >any case...) he said some interesting things....below he is referring to the >universe: > >'There's so much activity in what we see as nothingness. Actually, what we >see as a material world is less than one billionth of a billionth of a >billionth of it and we think that's where the activity is. Most of the >activity is in the unmanifest, and the unmanifest is not just information >and energy, it has self-referral feedback loops. it feeds back upon its own >self and as it does, creates loops. And that's what intelligence is. the >only difference between intelligence and ordinary information is that >intelligence is information which has the ability to evolve, to learn from >its own experience, to actually create more abstract, more flexible and >therefore more creative expressions of its own self. so we begin with chaos >and then out of that chaotic soup of intelligence there emerges order and >then chaos again and then order again. this is the way consciousness >behaves.' > >Taking this in a musical direction one may surmise that not only are loops >archetypal, but genetic: built into the very fabric of life. Trance-inducing >repetitious music like African drumming, chanting, ecstatic dancing- all >loops (without a machine)- all made to connect the human with the cosmos, to >transcend normal consciousness....perhaps the modern mechanics and >technology used for looping is an expression of that need and perhaps also a >manifestation of the consciousness of the universe itself. Like, wow, far >out man. > >Misha > >********************************** >'Future Perfect' - art music > http://home1.gte.net/artmusic > >'Hazard Factor' - spontaneous grooves > http://home1.gte.net/artmusic/hazard > >Dave Eichenberger- guitars/loops/devices >http://home1.gte.net/artmusic/dave > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Mar 7 18:31:00 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA25456; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 18:31:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 18:31:00 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <000201bf888d$25898900$be2a9d3e@oemcomputer> From: L.Angulo@t-online.de (Luis Angulo) To: "Loopers delight" Subject: VS 840 Question a bitt off topic off course Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 00:00:29 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Sender: 320086123907-0001@t-dialin.net Resent-Message-ID: <"H4iP2.0.oe5.WzOnu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12663 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com To VS 840 users out there, I am having a problem with my VS when i pan tracks before mix down. When i pan things to the left the sound dissapears completetly.I also don´t throughly understand how to increse an effects depth or rate with the master fader.By the way,how difficult is to build the new hardware upgrade one self? Any ideas would be very helful! Thanks L.A. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Mar 7 19:03:57 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA01339; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 19:03:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 19:03:57 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <001701bf881f$c227dfa0$879f12c3@mark.grape.no> References: <005101bf880f$ca2f55d0$51cec22b@camb.scee.sony.co.uk> Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 19:52:35 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Patrick Smith Subject: Plex for $775 Resevrve Met Resent-Message-ID: <"LwUnU.0.Sv7.DVPnu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12664 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Auction ending in 3 hours..... http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=274644673 Reserve has been met.... From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Mar 8 00:16:36 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA13508; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 00:16:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 00:16:36 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38C5E1CA.3B4A8FF6@engin.umich.edu> Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 00:14:50 -0500 From: Darcy Clark X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD snapN45b1 (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: MP3 posted - some looping content References: <20000107010204.2387.qmail@web112.yahoomail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"B4IJo2.0.iU2.j1Unu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12665 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com http://www-personal.engin.umich.edu/~darcyc/Personal/Music/tuva.mp3 just posted my latest MP3 .... probably unfinished.....somewhat inspired by (and includes) throating-singing samples and fairly copious use of Audiomulch, Acid and Jamman. feedback welcome. Darcy From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Mar 8 07:10:52 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA00507; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 07:10:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 07:10:52 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: johnmcc@aldiscon.ie Subject: Re: Discuss Amongst Yourselves.... To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.2b (Intl) 16 December 1999 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 11:58:56 +0000 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on DublinDomino01/SRV/Aldiscon(Release 5.0.2a (Intl)|23 November 1999) at 08/03/2000 11:59:00 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"QvqHR1.0.TP7.d2anu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12666 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com The New Scientist Article Ken mentions ( http://www.newscientist.com/features/features.jsp?id=ns22273 ) is excellent. Worth checking out, especially if you've read "Godel, Escher, Bach". Putting your brain through some strenuous mental excercise! I think it was Neils Bohr who said "anyone who fails to be completely shocked by quantum physics hasn't understood it". I have noticed that playing loops manually (just playing a phrase over and over again) can be quite an experience, and certainly a different one to using a looping device. Sometimes, your fingers just take over, and you can hear the "loop" interacting with the rest of the music. I happen to have a Sheila Chandra CD with me today, so on this subject, I quote from the liner notes: "Sacred Stones: Somewhere all of us intuitively understand the links between ancient musics, that is, that drones and chanting are at the root of all musics. The act of chanting is like throwing a stone into a lake - however small the stone is, the ripples (vibration) it creates affect the whole lake. I believe that making sound can make you 'sound' (whole). Om Namaha Shiva: An ancient chant, a new melody. Shiva is the destroyer of ignorance. I find the 'clever' part of me wants the chant to 'go somewhere' - instead I listen to the harmonics the chant creates, or just to its frail simplicity ... One for all of you to join in with at home!" [from the CD "Weaving my Ancestors' Voices" (RealWord CDRW 24 - 0777 86722 2 7) ] John From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Mar 8 07:58:25 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA23284; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 07:58:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 07:58:25 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Hawkeye255@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 07:51:06 EST Subject: Re: VS 840 Question a bitt off topic off course To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 66 Resent-Message-ID: <"7SSGD.0.H25.apanu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12667 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Check your cable connections. Either your 'left' channel is not bringing anything in, or your left side 'mix out' is not properly connected (or a bad cable in either place). In my experience, 99% of all signal problems are open connections. I suspect that your VS840 is just fine. hawkeye From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Mar 8 12:06:22 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA26132; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 12:06:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 12:06:22 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <005a01bf891e$42a5f5a0$83310140@concentric.net> From: "Larry Tremblay" To: References: Subject: Re: Discuss Amongst Yourselves.... Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 11:49:22 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"rATFx3.0.c_4.uEenu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12668 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Although I disagree with the specious New Age-y comments here about the link between Quantum Physics and neo-Mysticism , "Godel, Escher, Bach" is essential reading, especially for loopists. Fortunately, it predates the mushy New Agers who've co-opted bits of it to support their myopic post-hippie delusions. On the subject of music and the vibratory energies set into motion, Dane Rudyar's book "The Magic of Tone and the Art of Music" came highly recommended by Glen Branca, Philip Glass and Terry Riley. Ironically, I found Rudyar's book a good read despite my own distaste for the mushy hybrid of Hindu irrationalism and Astrology he's famous for. One quote that got my notice, was "A tone is a living cell... It has the power of reproduction, of making exchanges, of growing. It is a microcosom reflecting faithfully the macrocosm, its laws, its center. A tone is a solar system." This reminded me of Herman Helmholz's book "On the Sensations of Tone" which was the first scientisfic inquiry into the properties of sound - Helmoltz was the first to *discover* the harmonic series and upper partial structure of tone. Highly recommended. - Larry ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2000 6:58 AM Subject: Re: Discuss Amongst Yourselves.... > > The New Scientist Article Ken mentions ( > http://www.newscientist.com/features/features.jsp?id=ns22273 ) is > excellent. Worth checking out, especially if you've read "Godel, Escher, > Bach". Putting your brain through some strenuous mental excercise! I think > it was Neils Bohr who said "anyone who fails to be completely shocked by > quantum physics hasn't understood it". > > I have noticed that playing loops manually (just playing a phrase over and > over again) can be quite an experience, and certainly a different one to > using a looping device. Sometimes, your fingers just take over, and you can > hear the "loop" interacting with the rest of the music. > > I happen to have a Sheila Chandra CD with me today, so on this subject, I > quote from the liner notes: > > "Sacred Stones: Somewhere all of us intuitively understand the links > between ancient musics, that is, that drones and chanting are at the root > of all musics. > > The act of chanting is like throwing a stone into a lake - however small > the stone is, the ripples (vibration) it creates affect the whole lake. I > believe that making sound can make you 'sound' (whole). > > Om Namaha Shiva: An ancient chant, a new melody. Shiva is the destroyer of > ignorance. I find the 'clever' part of me wants the chant to 'go somewhere' > - instead I listen to the harmonics the chant creates, or just to its frail > simplicity ... One for all of you to join in with at home!" > > [from the CD "Weaving my Ancestors' Voices" (RealWord CDRW 24 - 0777 > 86722 2 7) ] > > John > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Mar 8 11:59:49 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA24436; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 11:59:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 11:59:49 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000308082219.008b6a10@pop3.argotech.net> X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 08:22:19 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Rich Subject: Re: Discuss Amongst Yourselves.... In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"ltNIR.0.mI5.lHenu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12669 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Just had to put in my 2 cents regarding the reference to Sheila Chandra. I have noticed (IMHO) that the achilles heel of loopers is that sometimes we make a big deal out of the mechanics, technology, and process of making loop based or drone music. The audience, however, often doesn't care HOW we made the music, or our philosophy behind it. They just want some good music. If any of you have spent any time reading Sheila's liner notes, you would think that the music on the disc was just the most spiritual, technically flawless, most amazing thing you were ever going to hear...and then you pop the disc in and ummmmm....it's ok, but....what's the big deal? that she can hold a drone note and she likes delays and reverbs alot? or that she can do the 'human beat box' thing? I don't mean to slag on her, i like her music... I just have a hard time with the 'look at how amazing my music is, and look how i'm tying into eternal music and such' approach. rich > >The New Scientist Article Ken mentions ( >http://www.newscientist.com/features/features.jsp?id=ns22273 ) is >excellent. Worth checking out, especially if you've read "Godel, Escher, >Bach". Putting your brain through some strenuous mental excercise! I think >it was Neils Bohr who said "anyone who fails to be completely shocked by >quantum physics hasn't understood it". > >I have noticed that playing loops manually (just playing a phrase over and >over again) can be quite an experience, and certainly a different one to >using a looping device. Sometimes, your fingers just take over, and you can >hear the "loop" interacting with the rest of the music. > >I happen to have a Sheila Chandra CD with me today, so on this subject, I >quote from the liner notes: > >"Sacred Stones: Somewhere all of us intuitively understand the links >between ancient musics, that is, that drones and chanting are at the root >of all musics. > >The act of chanting is like throwing a stone into a lake - however small >the stone is, the ripples (vibration) it creates affect the whole lake. I >believe that making sound can make you 'sound' (whole). > >Om Namaha Shiva: An ancient chant, a new melody. Shiva is the destroyer of >ignorance. I find the 'clever' part of me wants the chant to 'go somewhere' >- instead I listen to the harmonics the chant creates, or just to its frail >simplicity ... One for all of you to join in with at home!" > > [from the CD "Weaving my Ancestors' Voices" (RealWord CDRW 24 - 0777 >86722 2 7) ] > >John > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Mar 8 12:07:34 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA27132; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 12:07:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 12:07:34 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38C6876E.E5E390A3@engin.umich.edu> Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 12:01:40 -0500 From: Darcy Clark Reply-To: darcyc@engin.umich.edu Organization: MSE, Umich X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rich , Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: MP3 posted - some looping content References: <20000107010204.2387.qmail@web112.yahoomail.com> <3.0.6.32.20000308081013.008b4100@pop3.argotech.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"zqaIO.0.NC6.4Uenu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12670 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Rich, thanks for the feedback....I know the 'gear' and 'process' traps very well....just lately I have been trying to get past it and be content to use what I have to it's fullest capability. It's interesting - this is the simplest track I have produced in a long time, but its the track I am most happy with. I used two throat singing samples I found online....each is processed differently through AudioMulch. The one on the fadeout is barely recognizable as a human voice I think. The drum loop was heavily altered in AudioMulch (using a bunch of freeware VST filters). The main synth riffs underlining the whole tune are my own loops that I played on a K2000 keyboard, a jamman and then through heavy audiomulch processing. I used Acid to assemble and sequence the audio loops. I'm a guitarist mainly, but I didn't see how I could use guitar on this track. You can see that I like to use Audiomulch....IMHO it's very useful at processing loops and in particular making them more 'organic' sounding.....weird. [I'm forwarding this mail to the list - maybe it will be useful to others] cheers, Darcy Rich wrote: > > Hi Darcy, > > Just a note to say that i enjoyed your mp3 song 'tuva'. Thanks! > > I have been downloading a song here and there from the LD list, and > methinks us loopheads often get caught up in the 'process' of the music, at > the expense of making enjoyable musical compositions. Fortunately, i think > you avoided such potholes.... > > ps. is the composition made up of collected 'samples' or are you playing > most of it? > > regards, > > rich atkinson > > At 12:14 AM 3/8/00 -0500, you wrote: > >http://www-personal.engin.umich.edu/~darcyc/Personal/Music/tuva.mp3 > > > >just posted my latest MP3 .... probably unfinished.....somewhat inspired > >by (and includes) throating-singing samples and fairly copious use of > >Audiomulch, Acid and Jamman. > > > >feedback welcome. > > > >Darcy > > > > > > > > -- --------------------------------------------------- Ph: (734) 764 3377 Email: darcyc@engin.umich.edu URL: http://www-personal.engin.umich.edu/~darcyc/ --------------------------------------------------- 'If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate' ..... Steven Wright From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Mar 8 13:06:08 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA10044; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 13:06:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 13:06:08 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: johnmcc@aldiscon.ie Subject: Re: Discuss Amongst Yourselves.... To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.2b (Intl) 16 December 1999 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 18:00:03 +0000 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on DublinDomino01/SRV/Aldiscon(Release 5.0.2a (Intl)|23 November 1999) at 08/03/2000 18:00:05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"Xl5cv.0.x52.ALfnu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12672 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com [Larry:] > Although I disagree with the specious New Age-y > comments here about the link between Quantum Physics > and neo-Mysticism Although I normally don't rise to this kind of thing, I have to ask you Larry - what was the specious New Age-y comment? The "New Age" trend is a pet hate of mine, and I studiously avoid it and discussions that invoke it. In fact, I've re-read this thread from Misha's initial post onward .. and no one has mentioned anything I can reconcile with "neo-Mysticism" (although I note you use the proper case, and may be referring to something with which I'm unfamiliar). Also, the only comment to mention quantum physics was a quote taken from "Godel,Escher,Bach" which I included. Just trying to clarify, for if a discussion about musical loops, their practice and ability to communicate with a listener is specious, then surely this list is pointless. Regards, John From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Mar 8 13:01:11 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA08654; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 13:01:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 13:01:11 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <006701bf8927$19acad20$5a05020a@beelzejuice.mecasw.com> Reply-To: "Ken M" From: "Ken Melms" To: Subject: Re: Discuss Amongst Yourselves.... Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 12:52:40 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 Resent-Message-ID: <"SJVmW1.0.fB1.MAfnu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12671 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Interesting you mention Hemholtz. I'm reading a 1936 book "Science and Music" which uses Hemholtz's "Harmonic Resonance Chambers" as examples and a basis for discussing the differences between a tone (tuning fork) and a musical note (many harmonic properties.) The resonance chambers were glass tubes filled with a differing amouts of liquid, with a pipette at the end you could stick in your ear to listen to. These tubes would sympathetically resonate with whatever sound was being produced near them and thus you could find the harmonic components of any sound by creating the sound and listening to which resonators were active. This relates to looping of course because if you can take any sound and deconstruct it to it's component harmonics, you have the building blocks of the next loop staring you in the face - it's just a matter of which harmonics you want to reinforce, or for that matter - which harmonics you want to stifle by using it's phase-opposite harmonic... With this in mind - I wonder if the "clipping" of certain frequencies that are out of our normal range of hearing (like on a tape or CD or any recording for that matter) truly destroys the overal ambiance of the sound. Even if you can't hear a 56,000 wavelength, won't that wave still interfere / modify / beat with the harmonics of other notes being played, and that interaction/interference beat would vertainly be in a pulse range compatible with human hearing. So - wouldn't the removal of these super-high harmonics alter forever the true nature of the original sound? Just a thought as I think about the layers of sound, harmonic upon harmonic, interacting with each other to make other "inferred" sounds. For some reason I used to discard music theory. I grew up playing classical music, and when I was a teenager I tossed out all forms of theory in search for my inner muse. What a moron I was. Metaphorically speaking: The muse (the harmony of soul, mind, body, emotions) needs a complete vessel to live in. Musical theory, I found, is simply another polishing you can put into your vehicle which may entice her to pay you a visit once in a while. If she likes the atmosphere, maybe she'll stay. What's that have to do with Hemholtz? Nothing! But I thought I'd share. peace. Ken -----Original Message----- From: Larry Tremblay To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Wednesday, March 08, 2000 12:19 PM Subject: Re: Discuss Amongst Yourselves.... >Although I disagree with the specious New Age-y >comments here about the link between Quantum Physics >and neo-Mysticism , "Godel, Escher, Bach" is essential >reading, especially for loopists. Fortunately, it >predates the mushy New Agers who've co-opted bits of >it to support their myopic post-hippie delusions. > >On the subject of music and the vibratory energies set >into motion, Dane Rudyar's book "The Magic of Tone and >the Art of Music" came highly recommended by Glen Branca, >Philip Glass and Terry Riley. > >Ironically, I found Rudyar's book a good read despite >my own distaste for the mushy hybrid of Hindu irrationalism >and Astrology he's famous for. One quote that got my notice, >was > > "A tone is a living cell... It has the power of > reproduction, of making exchanges, of growing. > It is a microcosom reflecting faithfully the macrocosm, > its laws, its center. A tone is a solar system." > >This reminded me of Herman Helmholz's book "On the >Sensations of Tone" which was the first scientisfic >inquiry into the properties of sound - Helmoltz was >the first to *discover* the harmonic series and upper >partial structure of tone. Highly recommended. > >- Larry > >----- Original Message ----- >From: >To: >Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2000 6:58 AM >Subject: Re: Discuss Amongst Yourselves.... > > >> >> The New Scientist Article Ken mentions ( >> http://www.newscientist.com/features/features.jsp?id=ns22273 ) is >> excellent. Worth checking out, especially if you've read "Godel, Escher, >> Bach". Putting your brain through some strenuous mental excercise! I think >> it was Neils Bohr who said "anyone who fails to be completely shocked by >> quantum physics hasn't understood it". >> >> I have noticed that playing loops manually (just playing a phrase over and >> over again) can be quite an experience, and certainly a different one to >> using a looping device. Sometimes, your fingers just take over, and you >can >> hear the "loop" interacting with the rest of the music. >> >> I happen to have a Sheila Chandra CD with me today, so on this subject, I >> quote from the liner notes: >> >> "Sacred Stones: Somewhere all of us intuitively understand the links >> between ancient musics, that is, that drones and chanting are at the root >> of all musics. >> >> The act of chanting is like throwing a stone into a lake - however small >> the stone is, the ripples (vibration) it creates affect the whole lake. I >> believe that making sound can make you 'sound' (whole). >> >> Om Namaha Shiva: An ancient chant, a new melody. Shiva is the destroyer of >> ignorance. I find the 'clever' part of me wants the chant to 'go >somewhere' >> - instead I listen to the harmonics the chant creates, or just to its >frail >> simplicity ... One for all of you to join in with at home!" >> >> [from the CD "Weaving my Ancestors' Voices" (RealWord CDRW 24 - 0777 >> 86722 2 7) ] >> >> John >> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Mar 8 13:52:10 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA21414; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 13:52:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 13:52:10 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 15:03:04 -0300 Message-ID: <00012650.C22133@jpbrasil.com.br> From: miguel.barella@jpbrasil.com.br (MAT) Subject: Carlos Vamos (Re[2]: Music in Spain) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Resent-Message-ID: <"m05iL.0.is3.Rmfnu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12673 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com The Ramblas that Mark mentioned is the main street of the old town, and I saw some buskers near the top (north) end of that. One was a guy called Carlos Vamos, playing electric guitar using two-handed tapping, and using realtime loops. == I met Carlos Vamos in September/98 while he was playing at the Ramblas. He was using a Jamman and making his own compositions. We talked about looping, guitatrs etc. and exchanged cd's. It is good to know he is still doing his things in Barcelona. A few meters down the Rambla there was another guy using a Jamman and playing a modified lap dulcimer as a guitar; his name was Lindsay Buckingham (from Australia). Barcelona is "the" City in Europe. Miguel From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Mar 8 13:52:19 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA21432; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 13:52:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 13:52:19 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <001801bf892d$21e76650$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: Subject: Re: Discuss Amongst Yourselves.... Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 13:35:49 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"FRkfN1.0.GX4.Lwfnu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12675 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wait. Am I on the right list? :) Unusual discussion today, but appreciated... >Interesting you mention Hemholtz. I'm reading a 1936 book "Science and >Music" which uses Hemholtz's "Harmonic Resonance Chambers" as examples and a >basis for discussing the differences between a tone (tuning fork) and a >musical note (many harmonic properties.) Interesting that you should mention "Science and Music". This is the Sir James Jeans book? I re-read my copy a few months back. Quite a good read, I thought. In some place I was amazed that it was written so long ago! >So - wouldn't the removal of these super-high harmonics >alter forever the true nature of the original sound? Yes, but we don't perceive the true nature of the original sound. This has deep implications beyond the scope of this email, my life, and probably the Universe. :) Dennis Leas ----------------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Mar 8 13:51:35 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA21338; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 13:51:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 13:51:35 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Mike McGary" To: Subject: Frequencies outside of normal rang of hearing (was RE: Discuss Amongst Yourselves....) Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 12:34:03 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <006701bf8927$19acad20$5a05020a@beelzejuice.mecasw.com> Resent-Message-ID: <"cozWd.0.6u3.omfnu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12674 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > With this in mind - I wonder if the "clipping" of certain frequencies that > are out of our normal range of hearing (like on a tape or CD or any > recording for that matter) truly destroys the overal ambiance of > the sound. I once read about an engineer trying to figure out why one mixing board sounded different from another. He did a lot of analysis and found that this particular board tended to excite frequencies in a band way above normal hearing range. That was the only difference he found. But he could hear that difference. I rather like your idea of the unhearable frequencies 'interracting with' the hearable frequencies. Of course, trying to capture these sounds and accurately reproduce them is going to be difficult since microphones and speakers are designed to be faithful in the range of hearing. (gotta put some dog-whistle in my next song....) -Mike McGary From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Mar 8 14:06:35 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA25599; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 14:06:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 14:06:35 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000308185726.85065.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [205.155.29.37] From: "David Potter" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Discuss Amongst Yourselves.... Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 10:57:25 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"XEs5h2.0.rb5.tAgnu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12676 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Being open to all ways of seeing things is the way to go for me. Not judging someone elses experience and methods or religion and trying to invalidate it. It only emphasizes you own insecurity. You won't grow taller by chopping others heads off Larry. Om and Out, Papa Dave >From: "Larry Tremblay" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >To: >Subject: Re: Discuss Amongst Yourselves.... >Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 11:49:22 -0500 > >Although I disagree with the specious New Age-y >comments here about the link between Quantum Physics >and neo-Mysticism , "Godel, Escher, Bach" is essential >reading, especially for loopists. Fortunately, it >predates the mushy New Agers who've co-opted bits of >it to support their myopic post-hippie delusions. > >On the subject of music and the vibratory energies set >into motion, Dane Rudyar's book "The Magic of Tone and >the Art of Music" came highly recommended by Glen Branca, >Philip Glass and Terry Riley. > >Ironically, I found Rudyar's book a good read despite >my own distaste for the mushy hybrid of Hindu irrationalism >and Astrology he's famous for. One quote that got my notice, >was > > "A tone is a living cell... It has the power of > reproduction, of making exchanges, of growing. > It is a microcosom reflecting faithfully the macrocosm, > its laws, its center. A tone is a solar system." > >This reminded me of Herman Helmholz's book "On the >Sensations of Tone" which was the first scientisfic >inquiry into the properties of sound - Helmoltz was >the first to *discover* the harmonic series and upper >partial structure of tone. Highly recommended. > >- Larry > >----- Original Message ----- >From: >To: >Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2000 6:58 AM >Subject: Re: Discuss Amongst Yourselves.... > > > > > > The New Scientist Article Ken mentions ( > > http://www.newscientist.com/features/features.jsp?id=ns22273 ) is > > excellent. Worth checking out, especially if you've read "Godel, Escher, > > Bach". Putting your brain through some strenuous mental excercise! I >think > > it was Neils Bohr who said "anyone who fails to be completely shocked by > > quantum physics hasn't understood it". > > > > I have noticed that playing loops manually (just playing a phrase over >and > > over again) can be quite an experience, and certainly a different one to > > using a looping device. Sometimes, your fingers just take over, and you >can > > hear the "loop" interacting with the rest of the music. > > > > I happen to have a Sheila Chandra CD with me today, so on this subject, >I > > quote from the liner notes: > > > > "Sacred Stones: Somewhere all of us intuitively understand the links > > between ancient musics, that is, that drones and chanting are at the >root > > of all musics. > > > > The act of chanting is like throwing a stone into a lake - however small > > the stone is, the ripples (vibration) it creates affect the whole lake. >I > > believe that making sound can make you 'sound' (whole). > > > > Om Namaha Shiva: An ancient chant, a new melody. Shiva is the destroyer >of > > ignorance. I find the 'clever' part of me wants the chant to 'go >somewhere' > > - instead I listen to the harmonics the chant creates, or just to its >frail > > simplicity ... One for all of you to join in with at home!" > > > > [from the CD "Weaving my Ancestors' Voices" (RealWord CDRW 24 - 0777 > > 86722 2 7) ] > > > > John > > > > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Mar 8 14:32:34 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA32709; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 14:32:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 14:32:34 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <004901bf8932$add2b2a0$d87379a5@cliff> From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" To: Subject: Re: Carlos Vamos (Re[2]: Music in Spain) Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 11:14:22 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Resent-Message-ID: <"MrLCe3.0.8h6.KOgnu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12677 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com As in Fleetwood Mac Lindsay Buckingham? Cliff -----Original Message----- From: MAT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Wednesday, March 08, 2000 10:58 AM Subject: Carlos Vamos (Re[2]: Music in Spain) > The Ramblas that Mark mentioned is the main street of >the old town, and I saw some buskers near the top (north) end of that. One >was a guy called Carlos Vamos, playing electric guitar using two-handed >tapping, and using realtime loops. > >== I met Carlos Vamos in September/98 while he was playing at the Ramblas. He >was using a Jamman and making his own compositions. We talked about looping, >guitatrs etc. and exchanged cd's. It is good to know he is still doing his >things in Barcelona. > >A few meters down the Rambla there was another guy using a Jamman and playing a >modified lap dulcimer as a guitar; his name was Lindsay Buckingham (from >Australia). > >Barcelona is "the" City in Europe. > >Miguel > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Mar 8 14:44:21 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA03008; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 14:44:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 14:44:21 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Sender: crash@waste.org From: Todd Madson To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Off-topic VS-840 question. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 13:13:12 -0600 Resent-Message-ID: <"LCOff1.0.XN7.IZgnu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12678 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Re: VS-840 EX upgrade: My wife's sister bought me the EX software update for christmas for my first generation VS-840 (just the software, not the updated ZIP unit) and all I did to update it to EX specs was to put the disk in the drive with the power on and it asked me if I wanted to update and it worked. It would be nice to have a bigger ZIP drive, but I'd rather buy the SCSI interface and use a hard drive to achieve longer recording time. I understand the software-only update is around $40 from Roland and is definetely worth it - the additional COSM algorithms and functionality is very much worth it. Also note: the VS-840EX update comes with a manual that says the 100 meg zip discs cannot be recorded to anymore, just listened to once you update to the EX software. This is NOT true, so 100 meg ZIP users fear not about updating. Again, the digital tuner and additional effects and EZ recording mode makes it a definite must get update. Re: Panning The VS-840 has some caveats you need to be aware of. The 5/6 and 7/8 tracks are stereo. So if you record mono signals on these tracks and attempt to pan these signals, it won't work in the way we want. I had a recent project, where in the fever of recording we put a guitar track a friend had recorded on 5/6 and his signal only shows up on 6 as it was a mono signal. 5 is empty. I tried panning it, changing the panning position to no avail. My friend decided he didn't like his guitar solo so we'll just do that part over again, this time on 1, 2, 3, or 4 or in stereo thru my big rig for guitar. The only way I think I can make it a stereo track or to center it in the mix is to take a line out into my computer and record it using my digital audio workstation software there and manually pan it to center or do the transfer to the computer and copy the track and paste it so it is offset from the other track by 2-3 milliseconds thus creating a faux stereo effect, then transferring the stereo signal back into the VS-840 on the problem track pair in stereo this time and make sure that the new tracks starts at the same time on the same track to get the correct effect (no pun intended!) -We now return you to LOOPING related content. Oh - the VS-840 has a digital delay with 2.5 seconds of delay time, you can loop with it and use it as a mixer at the same time! -t From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Mar 8 14:50:26 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA04490; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 14:50:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 14:50:26 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <009601bf8935$4ffe96a0$83310140@concentric.net> From: "Larry Tremblay" To: References: Subject: Re: Discuss Amongst Yourselves.... Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 14:34:23 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"aGu1c1.0.oy7.afgnu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12679 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > > [Larry:] > > Although I disagree with the specious New Age-y > > comments here about the link between Quantum Physics > > and neo-Mysticism Neo-Mysticism is an intellectual trend toward 'Quantum Theorizing' everything, especially spirituality, in an effort to lend some kind of scientistific credibility to frankly incredible and irrational beliefs. That's the crux of it. > what was the specious New Age-y comment? The "New Age" trend is a > pet hate of mine, and I studiously avoid it and discussions that invoke it. Well, Chandra is certainly not New Age per se, she's a World artist [Asian Fusion], I guess. But her own public allegiance to Mysticism belies a brand of smarmy spirituality that smacks of Channeling and a bogus New Age-y cosmology that devalues somewhat (IMO) the excellent music she makes. Her comments about 'being sung' in regards to her ABoneCroneDrone recording: "The experience of 'being sung' is much more up-front, if such an experience can be considered up-front, on ABoneCroneDrone'." Something's coming through but you have to be receptive to it," The idea of listening to the subtleties yourself, being moved by them, having your own imagination play tricks on you, in a way, connects you to the same force the singer is connecting to." > Just trying to clarify, for if a discussion about musical loops, their practice > and ability to communicate with a listener is specious, then surely this > list is pointless. I did not mean to imply that this type of discussion is specious - and therefore pointless. However, psuedo-scientific drivel *is* pointless. Perhaps I misunderstood your implication. I apologize if I did. - Larry From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Mar 8 15:03:26 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA08476; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 15:03:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 15:03:26 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <00ae01bf8938$2fb72990$83310140@concentric.net> From: "Larry Tremblay" To: "Ken M" , References: <006701bf8927$19acad20$5a05020a@beelzejuice.mecasw.com> Subject: RE: Helmholtz, Eno, Partch, and frequency (Was:Re: Discuss Amongst Yourselves....) Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 14:54:58 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"0rT173.0.oD1.tygnu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12680 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > Interesting you mention Hemholtz. I'm reading a 1936 book "Science and > Music" which uses Hemholtz's "Harmonic Resonance Chambers" as examples and a > basis for discussing the differences between a tone (tuning fork) and a > musical note (many harmonic properties.) The resonance chambers were glass > tubes filled with a differing amouts of liquid, with a pipette at the end > you could stick in your ear to listen to. These tubes would sympathetically > resonate with whatever sound was being produced near them and thus you could > find the harmonic components of any sound by creating the sound and > listening to which resonators were active. Great, a Helmholtz fan! BTW, Edgar Varese was inspired by Helmholtz's experiments with sirens. The resonant chambers experiments inspired Harry Partch and other to build similar devices. > This relates to looping of course because if you can take any sound and > deconstruct it to it's component harmonics, you have the building blocks of > the next loop staring you in the face - it's just a matter of which > harmonics you want to reinforce, or for that matter - which harmonics you > want to stifle by using it's phase-opposite harmonic... Yes, it relates to looping a lot. It explains the many 'happy accidents' some loopers strive for in their works. For instance, Eno's work with tape loops and today's digital equivalent of setting loops of differing lengths against each other to see what happens. > With this in mind - I wonder if the "clipping" of certain frequencies that > are out of our normal range of hearing (like on a tape or CD or any > recording for that matter) truly destroys the overal ambiance of the sound. > Even if you can't hear a 56,000 wavelength, won't that wave still interfere > / modify / beat with the harmonics of other notes being played, and that > interaction/interference beat would vertainly be in a pulse range compatible > with human hearing. So - wouldn't the removal of these super-high harmonics > alter forever the true nature of the original sound? Just a thought as I > think about the layers of sound, harmonic upon harmonic, interacting with > each other to make other "inferred" sounds. Actually, Eno built an EQ device equipped with a bank of 30(?) small speakers that allowed him to notch out specific frequencies to see how it altered the sound of whatever he ran through it - guitar, synth, vocals. This is equivalent to "timbral synthesis" using a bunch of frequency-specific VCF's (filters). Youch! > For some reason I used to discard music theory. Sadly, I did the same when I was a teenager. Now I'm a wise old man ;-) - Larry Tremblay > Ken > > -----Original Message----- > From: Larry Tremblay > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Date: Wednesday, March 08, 2000 12:19 PM > Subject: Re: Discuss Amongst Yourselves.... > > > >Although I disagree with the specious New Age-y > >comments here about the link between Quantum Physics > >and neo-Mysticism , "Godel, Escher, Bach" is essential > >reading, especially for loopists. Fortunately, it > >predates the mushy New Agers who've co-opted bits of > >it to support their myopic post-hippie delusions. > > > >On the subject of music and the vibratory energies set > >into motion, Dane Rudyar's book "The Magic of Tone and > >the Art of Music" came highly recommended by Glen Branca, > >Philip Glass and Terry Riley. > > > >Ironically, I found Rudyar's book a good read despite > >my own distaste for the mushy hybrid of Hindu irrationalism > >and Astrology he's famous for. One quote that got my notice, > >was > > > > "A tone is a living cell... It has the power of > > reproduction, of making exchanges, of growing. > > It is a microcosom reflecting faithfully the macrocosm, > > its laws, its center. A tone is a solar system." > > > >This reminded me of Herman Helmholz's book "On the > >Sensations of Tone" which was the first scientisfic > >inquiry into the properties of sound - Helmoltz was > >the first to *discover* the harmonic series and upper > >partial structure of tone. Highly recommended. > > > >- Larry > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: > >To: > >Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2000 6:58 AM > >Subject: Re: Discuss Amongst Yourselves.... > > > > > >> > >> The New Scientist Article Ken mentions ( > >> http://www.newscientist.com/features/features.jsp?id=ns22273 ) is > >> excellent. Worth checking out, especially if you've read "Godel, Escher, > >> Bach". Putting your brain through some strenuous mental excercise! I > think > >> it was Neils Bohr who said "anyone who fails to be completely shocked by > >> quantum physics hasn't understood it". > >> > >> I have noticed that playing loops manually (just playing a phrase over > and > >> over again) can be quite an experience, and certainly a different one to > >> using a looping device. Sometimes, your fingers just take over, and you > >can > >> hear the "loop" interacting with the rest of the music. > >> > >> I happen to have a Sheila Chandra CD with me today, so on this subject, I > >> quote from the liner notes: > >> > >> "Sacred Stones: Somewhere all of us intuitively understand the links > >> between ancient musics, that is, that drones and chanting are at the root > >> of all musics. > >> > >> The act of chanting is like throwing a stone into a lake - however small > >> the stone is, the ripples (vibration) it creates affect the whole lake. I > >> believe that making sound can make you 'sound' (whole). > >> > >> Om Namaha Shiva: An ancient chant, a new melody. Shiva is the destroyer > of > >> ignorance. I find the 'clever' part of me wants the chant to 'go > >somewhere' > >> - instead I listen to the harmonics the chant creates, or just to its > >frail > >> simplicity ... One for all of you to join in with at home!" > >> > >> [from the CD "Weaving my Ancestors' Voices" (RealWord CDRW 24 - 0777 > >> 86722 2 7) ] > >> > >> John > >> > >> > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Mar 8 16:29:48 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA32375; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 16:29:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 16:29:48 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C41302AF@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Discuss Amongst Yourselves.... Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 15:42:56 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.10) Resent-Message-ID: <"Yd8Pt1.0.5f4.nkhnu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12683 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com not being particulary invested in either point of view, i would only say "to each his own." stig Neo-Mysticism is an intellectual trend toward 'Quantum Theorizing' everything, especially spirituality, in an effort to lend some kind of scientistific credibility to frankly incredible and irrational beliefs. That's the crux of it. Well, Chandra is certainly not New Age per se, she's a World artist [Asian Fusion], I guess. But her own public allegiance to Mysticism belies a brand of smarmy spirituality that smacks of Channeling and a bogus New Age-y cosmology that devalues somewhat (IMO) the excellent music she makes. I did not mean to imply that this type of discussion is specious - and therefore pointless. However, psuedo-scientific drivel *is* pointless. Perhaps I misunderstood your implication. I apologize if I did. - Larry From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Mar 8 16:38:57 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA02539; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 16:38:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 16:38:57 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <00db01bf8939$841827e0$83310140@concentric.net> From: "Larry Tremblay" To: References: <20000308185726.85065.qmail@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: Discuss Amongst Yourselves.... Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 15:04:29 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"aVHrt2.0.Co1.n5hnu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12681 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Dave - Of course, nothing I said is untrue. I'm quite secure about my rationalism, but not my height. ;-) Mystics and religionists have been making fools of themselves and killing each other off for centuries in the name of their gods. They sure don't need any help from us godless humanists. Live and let live, I say, but don't let an untruth slip by. Integrity requires it. - Larry T ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Potter" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2000 1:57 PM Subject: Re: Discuss Amongst Yourselves.... > Being open to all ways of seeing things is the way to go for me. Not > judging someone elses experience and methods or religion and trying to > invalidate it. It only emphasizes you own insecurity. You won't grow > taller by chopping others heads off Larry. Om and Out, Papa Dave > > >From: "Larry Tremblay" > >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > >To: > >Subject: Re: Discuss Amongst Yourselves.... > >Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 11:49:22 -0500 > > > >Although I disagree with the specious New Age-y > >comments here about the link between Quantum Physics > >and neo-Mysticism , "Godel, Escher, Bach" is essential > >reading, especially for loopists. Fortunately, it > >predates the mushy New Agers who've co-opted bits of > >it to support their myopic post-hippie delusions. > > > >On the subject of music and the vibratory energies set > >into motion, Dane Rudyar's book "The Magic of Tone and > >the Art of Music" came highly recommended by Glen Branca, > >Philip Glass and Terry Riley. > > > >Ironically, I found Rudyar's book a good read despite > >my own distaste for the mushy hybrid of Hindu irrationalism > >and Astrology he's famous for. One quote that got my notice, > >was > > > > "A tone is a living cell... It has the power of > > reproduction, of making exchanges, of growing. > > It is a microcosom reflecting faithfully the macrocosm, > > its laws, its center. A tone is a solar system." > > > >This reminded me of Herman Helmholz's book "On the > >Sensations of Tone" which was the first scientisfic > >inquiry into the properties of sound - Helmoltz was > >the first to *discover* the harmonic series and upper > >partial structure of tone. Highly recommended. > > > >- Larry > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: > >To: > >Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2000 6:58 AM > >Subject: Re: Discuss Amongst Yourselves.... > > > > > > > > > > The New Scientist Article Ken mentions ( > > > http://www.newscientist.com/features/features.jsp?id=ns22273 ) is > > > excellent. Worth checking out, especially if you've read "Godel, Escher, > > > Bach". Putting your brain through some strenuous mental excercise! I > >think > > > it was Neils Bohr who said "anyone who fails to be completely shocked by > > > quantum physics hasn't understood it". > > > > > > I have noticed that playing loops manually (just playing a phrase over > >and > > > over again) can be quite an experience, and certainly a different one to > > > using a looping device. Sometimes, your fingers just take over, and you > >can > > > hear the "loop" interacting with the rest of the music. > > > > > > I happen to have a Sheila Chandra CD with me today, so on this subject, > >I > > > quote from the liner notes: > > > > > > "Sacred Stones: Somewhere all of us intuitively understand the links > > > between ancient musics, that is, that drones and chanting are at the > >root > > > of all musics. > > > > > > The act of chanting is like throwing a stone into a lake - however small > > > the stone is, the ripples (vibration) it creates affect the whole lake. > >I > > > believe that making sound can make you 'sound' (whole). > > > > > > Om Namaha Shiva: An ancient chant, a new melody. Shiva is the destroyer > >of > > > ignorance. I find the 'clever' part of me wants the chant to 'go > >somewhere' > > > - instead I listen to the harmonics the chant creates, or just to its > >frail > > > simplicity ... One for all of you to join in with at home!" > > > > > > [from the CD "Weaving my Ancestors' Voices" (RealWord CDRW 24 - 0777 > > > 86722 2 7) ] > > > > > > John > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Mar 8 16:50:30 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA05497; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 16:50:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 16:50:30 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <004101bf8937$7ab8ef10$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: Subject: Re: Frequencies outside of normal rang of hearing (was RE: Discuss Amongst Yourselves....) Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 14:49:54 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"1M3as2.0.w23.HMhnu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12682 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >(gotta put some dog-whistle in my >next song....) Good luck! My dog has a hard time puckering. And he is terrible at sight-reading... Dennis Leas ----------------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Mar 8 17:04:21 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA08726; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 17:04:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 17:04:21 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 13:41:30 -0800 From: "Mike Biffle" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, LiebigSA@Maritz.com Subject: Re: RE: Discuss Amongst Yourselves.... Resent-Message-ID: <"Eialt.0.ti._ainu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12684 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com It's interesting and shocking to see just how easily range wars develop! I guess breaking the cycle of "co-dependence" to use another inflamatory buzzword is the real trick... Sort of anti-looping. 8-) -Miko >>> "Liebig, Steuart A." 03/08 1:22 PM >>> > not being particulary invested in either point of view, i would only say "to each his own." > stig I'm with ya there... >> Neo-Mysticism is an intellectual trend toward 'Quantum Theorizing' everything, especially spirituality, in an effort to lend some kind of scientistific credibility to frankly incredible and irrational beliefs. That's the crux of it. Well... down there at the molecular level and beyond things get rather strange and incredible. It's the last frontier of science to describe that stuff and they're finding interesting links to previously believed irrationality. >> I did not mean to imply that this type of discussion is specious - and therefore pointless. Ok... >> However, psuedo-scientific drivel *is* pointless. Perhaps I misunderstood your implication. I apologize if I did. - Larry This is sounding sort of backhanded Larry... I appreciate the apologetic tone however. I'd venture to say many scientific hypotheses (sp?) begin with entertaining some pretty hokey ideas. Some are further developed into amazingly cogent principles, others are laid to waste. I'm grateful there are people out there willing to entertain some pretty wiggy notions... Musically speaking, very few of us would be venturing too far out on any limbs if we all subscribed to such conservative nay-saying. -Miko From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Mar 8 17:21:37 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA14206; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 17:21:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 17:21:37 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Misha" To: Subject: RE: Discuss Amongst Yourselves.... Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 17:18:38 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <00db01bf8939$841827e0$83310140@concentric.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <"mHr7w1.0.0n2.p2jnu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12686 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > Mystics and religionists have been making fools of > themselves and killing each other off for centuries > in the name of their gods. They sure don't need any > help from us godless humanists. Purportedly these same foolish religionists and mystics were our first human loopers: drumming, chanting, droning....I think it's pretty cool we've been looping that long- for whatever reason. Unfortunately (or, in some cases, perhaps fortunately), we've been killing each other off since we've been able to lift a rock or a club, but let's not throw out the baby with the bath-water... > Live and let live, I say, but don't let an untruth slip > by. Integrity requires it. My original post included a quote I simply found interesting- my intention was not to be dogmatic. Since we really don't know the nature of the universe, I fail to see how these ideas are 'untruths' or lack integrity. M ********************************** 'Future Perfect' - art music http://home1.gte.net/artmusic 'Hazard Factor' - spontaneous grooves http://home1.gte.net/artmusic/hazard Dave Eichenberger- guitars/loops/devices http://home1.gte.net/artmusic/dave From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Mar 8 17:15:40 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA12529; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 17:15:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 17:15:40 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C41302B5@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Discuss Amongst Yourselves.... Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 17:02:05 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.10) Resent-Message-ID: <"HCJxh3.0.H72.wuinu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12685 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mystics and religionists have been making fools of themselves and killing each other off for centuries in the name of their gods. They sure don't need any help from us godless humanists. ** agreed . . . but, for that matter, people have killed each other in the name of non-religion and rational enlightenment as well. (possible cf. with the reign of terror post french revolution). very rational and non-religious people killed millions in stalin's and hitler's day (though some would say that hitler saw himself as a mystic - - and as the focus of a new religion). Live and let live, I say, but don't let an untruth slip by. Integrity requires it. ** truth . . . what IS truth? i see a person's truth based on his/her belief system. sorry, i don't believe in absolutes; either from the scientific community (it seems like there's a new theory in physics comign about all the time or an origanized religion (the catholic church had a "lock" on truth for a very long time, ya know). actaully, i think that it's more interesting when they seem to agree - - to point to some commonality. stig From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Mar 8 18:30:51 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA30913; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 18:30:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 18:30:51 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: stanitarium@earthlink.net Message-Id: <200003082311.PAA07990@avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 15:16:07 -0800 Subject: Re: Discuss Amongst Yourselves.... To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"73E1e3.0.8O6.Yujnu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12687 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Not to change the subject or anything but I just broke a guitar string-any suggestions?...STANNER ---------- >From: "Misha" >To: >Subject: RE: Discuss Amongst Yourselves.... >Date: Wed, Mar 8, 2000, 2:18 PM > > >> Mystics and religionists have been making fools of >> themselves and killing each other off for centuries >> in the name of their gods. They sure don't need any >> help from us godless humanists. > > Purportedly these same foolish religionists and mystics were our first human > loopers: drumming, chanting, droning....I think it's pretty cool we've been > looping that long- for whatever reason. > Unfortunately (or, in some cases, perhaps fortunately), we've been killing > each other off since we've been able to lift a rock or a club, but let's not > throw out the baby with the bath-water... > >> Live and let live, I say, but don't let an untruth slip >> by. Integrity requires it. > > My original post included a quote I simply found interesting- my intention > was not to be dogmatic. Since we really don't know the nature of the > universe, I fail to see how these ideas are 'untruths' or lack integrity. > > M > ********************************** > 'Future Perfect' - art music > http://home1.gte.net/artmusic > > 'Hazard Factor' - spontaneous grooves > http://home1.gte.net/artmusic/hazard > > Dave Eichenberger- guitars/loops/devices > http://home1.gte.net/artmusic/dave > > > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Mar 8 19:03:03 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA06786; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 19:03:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 19:03:03 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000308235714.22545.qmail@web3402.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 15:57:14 -0800 (PST) From: Aaron Schindler Subject: Re: Discuss Amongst Yourselves.... To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"PCy7D1.0.IH1.-Zknu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12688 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I have noticed (IMHO) that the achilles heel of > loopers is that sometimes we > make a big deal out of the mechanics, technology, > and process of making > loop based or drone music. The audience, however, > often doesn't care HOW > we made the music, or our philosophy behind it. > They just want some good > music. Don't you think that is often the case with all musicians? I often play bass in a band situation, and often find myself overplaying, when the most simple, basic, "easy" bass line sounds best. It's hard to step out of your musician mind set, and truly listen as a non-musician would - but it's often very enlightening when you do. If you have to explain your "art" (musical,visual,etc) maybe it isn't fulfilling its intended aim, and you should focus on making it better, instead of just explaining it. Aaron __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Mar 8 19:32:46 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA15007; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 19:32:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 19:32:46 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <00a901bf895d$bc904ac0$45db583f@oemcomputer> From: "Illfusion" To: Subject: Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 19:23:46 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00A6_01BF8933.D2E7B080" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"IH1CO2.0.C43.O_knu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12689 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00A6_01BF8933.D2E7B080 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable please take me of your mail list ------=_NextPart_000_00A6_01BF8933.D2E7B080 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_00A6_01BF8933.D2E7B080-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Mar 8 20:18:47 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA25814; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 20:18:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 20:18:47 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38C6F8F5.3ED8304@best.com> Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 17:05:58 -0800 From: Allan Hoeltje X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Helmholtz, Eno, Partch, and frequency References: <006701bf8927$19acad20$5a05020a@beelzejuice.mecasw.com> <00ae01bf8938$2fb72990$83310140@concentric.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"gQ9M6.0.2e5.Dclnu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12690 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This gives me an idea for a sound installation. A bunch of glass tubes of various lengths and diameters, each filled with a different colored liquid which slowly (and randomly?) raises and lowers, each tube has a microphone running to its own looper unit, each looper has a different loop length. Place this is a public setting, like a coffee shop, and let it go. A Helmholtz/Eno Organ? -Allan Larry Tremblay wrote: > > Interesting you mention Hemholtz. I'm reading a 1936 book "Science and > > Music" which uses Hemholtz's "Harmonic Resonance Chambers" as examples and > a > > basis for discussing the differences between a tone (tuning fork) and a > > musical note (many harmonic properties.) The resonance chambers were glass > > tubes filled with a differing amouts of liquid, with a pipette at the end > > you could stick in your ear to listen to. These tubes would > sympathetically > > resonate with whatever sound was being produced near them and thus you > could > > find the harmonic components of any sound by creating the sound and > > listening to which resonators were active. > > Great, a Helmholtz fan! BTW, Edgar Varese was inspired > by Helmholtz's experiments with sirens. The resonant > chambers experiments inspired Harry Partch and other to > build similar devices. > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Mar 8 20:28:37 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA28356; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 20:28:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 20:28:37 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000309012152.5632.qmail@web3406.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 17:21:52 -0800 (PST) From: Aaron Schindler Subject: Re: To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"Dq6zk3.0.db6.Gplnu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12691 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com what is you try say? --- Illfusion wrote: > please take me of your mail list > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Mar 8 23:19:09 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA05559; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 23:19:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 23:19:09 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000308211511.007c1450@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 21:15:11 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Discuss Amongst Yourselves.... In-Reply-To: <200003082311.PAA07990@avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"cXPEU3.0.5g1.qZmnu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12694 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com GraphTech saddles have reduced string breakage significantly on my Strats and Tele, but I don't think I can get 'em for my Steiny. Some people claim Elixers last a really long time. Does anyone know anything about New Standard- huh? What the...? AAAAAAAAHHHH!!!! NOOOO! AAAARRRRGGGGHHHH! (transmission ends abruptly) At 03:16 PM 3/8/00 -0800, you wrote: >Not to change the subject or anything but I just broke a guitar string-any >suggestions?...STANNER From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Mar 8 23:21:09 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA06663; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 23:21:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 23:21:09 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <008f01bf897e$54706580$7c310140@concentric.net> From: "Larry Tremblay" To: References: Subject: Re: RE: Discuss Amongst Yourselves.... Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 23:17:04 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"LTQqy.0.A_.eJonu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12698 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > > Well... down there at the molecular level and beyond things get > rather strange and incredible. It's the last frontier of science to > describe that stuff and they're finding interesting links to > previously believed irrationality. Yes, I understand that. At the sub-atomic level apparently there's "no there, there". I was making a case against mystical, unfounded, beliefs about music which are based on little more than "feelings". For example, just because I "feel" that the world is round, it does not make it true. Feeling are no substitute for the validity of the senses. > >> However, psuedo-scientific drivel *is* pointless. Perhaps I > misunderstood your implication. I apologize if I did. - Larry > > This is sounding sort of backhanded Larry... I appreciate the > apologetic tone however. It's not backhanded at all. > Musically speaking, very few of us would be venturing too > far out on any limbs if we all subscribed to such conservative > nay-saying. The range of musical expression I am interested in runs the gamut from Bulgarian Radio Choirs, the throat-singers of Tuva Tuva, John Cage, Cowell, Eno, et al, to the Beatles, Alvin Lucier, the Sex Pistols, Sonic Youth, NegativeLand, Soviet France, etc...just to name a few. But if any one of these artists attempts to prop up what they do with wrong-headed platitudes and BS, it would be intellectually dishonest for me to simply ignore it. Are people so brainwashed by "political correctness" and "sensitivity" that they're afraid of having strong opinions? Geez... - Larry From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Mar 8 23:21:10 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA06675; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 23:21:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 23:21:10 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <002901bf8975$ae638580$3622dacf@sgoodman> Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: <20000309012152.5632.qmail@web3406.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 19:15:10 -0800 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"zj2Ls2.0.tK5.HTnnu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12697 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I.R. Pofesshunal ekspert in Lingus (I useing Latin to impress big) an I still puzzled. Steven Gudm'n EarthLink Poduccions * http://www.earthlight.net "Aaron Schindler" grunted: > what is you try say? > > --- Illfusion wrote: > > please take me of your mail list > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Mar 8 23:18:48 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA05495; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 23:18:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 23:18:48 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000309020239.95013.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [63.195.54.82] From: "matt davignon" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: How to unsubscribe yourself Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 18:02:39 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"IwdFu1.0.g21.WPmnu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12692 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is how you unsubscribe. These instructions were part of the ones you had to read to subscribe to this list. They were also sent to you once you subscribed. Note how the e-mail address is different from this one: To unsubscribe, send mail with the word "unsubscribe" in both the subject and body, and no sig files or anything else, to: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >From: "Illfusion" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >To: >Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 19:23:46 -0500 > >please take me of your mail list ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Mar 8 23:32:33 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA09867; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 23:32:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 23:32:33 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <3f.1dfc90b.25f8609b@aol.com> Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 21:04:11 EST Subject: Re: Discuss Amongst Yourselves.... To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 61 Resent-Message-ID: <"HtNNm2.0.Z41.2Rmnu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12693 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 3/8/00 4:06:04 PM Mid-Atlantic Standard Time, johnmcc@aldiscon.ie writes: << Just trying to clarify, for if a discussion about musical loops, their practice and ability to communicate with a listener is specious, then surely this list is pointless. >> i like that word "specious"..........ill have to look it up..........:)............also, really wonderful to be reading posts about something other than equipment.......thanks............michael From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Mar 8 23:19:58 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA05645; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 23:19:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 23:19:58 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <001101bf8975$46eed760$3622dacf@sgoodman> Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: <006701bf8927$19acad20$5a05020a@beelzejuice.mecasw.com> <00ae01bf8938$2fb72990$83310140@concentric.net> <38C6F8F5.3ED8304@best.com> Subject: Re: Helmholtz, Eno, Partch, and frequency Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 19:12:16 -0800 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"vf-RR2.0.cF5.oQnnu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12696 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com What you describe almost sounds like the instrument-of-a-sort that the captain of "Dark Star" played in his relaxing time... :) Stephen Goodman EarthLight Productions * http://www.earthlight.net "Allan Hoeltje" put forth: > This gives me an idea for a sound installation. A bunch of glass tubes of > various lengths and diameters, each filled with a different colored liquid which > slowly (and randomly?) raises and lowers, each tube has a microphone running to > its own looper unit, each looper has a different loop length. Place this is a > public setting, like a coffee shop, and let it go. A Helmholtz/Eno Organ? > > -Allan > > > Larry Tremblay wrote: > > > > Interesting you mention Hemholtz. I'm reading a 1936 book "Science and > > > Music" which uses Hemholtz's "Harmonic Resonance Chambers" as examples and > > a > > > basis for discussing the differences between a tone (tuning fork) and a > > > musical note (many harmonic properties.) The resonance chambers were glass > > > tubes filled with a differing amouts of liquid, with a pipette at the end > > > you could stick in your ear to listen to. These tubes would > > sympathetically > > > resonate with whatever sound was being produced near them and thus you > > could > > > find the harmonic components of any sound by creating the sound and > > > listening to which resonators were active. > > > > Great, a Helmholtz fan! BTW, Edgar Varese was inspired > > by Helmholtz's experiments with sirens. The resonant > > chambers experiments inspired Harry Partch and other to > > build similar devices. > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Mar 8 23:32:39 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA09884; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 23:32:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 23:32:39 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 21:16:11 EST Subject: Re: Off-topic VS-840 question. To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 61 Resent-Message-ID: <"EEdwI.0.Lj1.Tcmnu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12695 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 3/8/00 5:44:32 PM Mid-Atlantic Standard Time, crash@waste.org writes: << My wife's sister bought me the EX software update for christmas >> wow...........stuff like that really happens...........nice............michael From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Mar 8 23:50:45 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA14581; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 23:50:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 23:50:45 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <009901bf8980$fba83fb0$7c310140@concentric.net> From: "Larry Tremblay" To: References: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C41302B5@migarexch01.maritz.com> Subject: Re: Discuss Amongst Yourselves.... Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 23:35:59 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"TGuHq2.0.rP2.Tbonu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12699 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > Mystics and religionists have been making fools of > themselves and killing each other off for centuries > in the name of their gods. They sure don't need any > help from us godless humanists. > > ** agreed . . . but, for that matter, people have killed each other in the > name of non-religion and rational enlightenment as well. (possible cf. with > the reign of terror post french revolution). very rational and non-religious > people killed millions in stalin's and hitler's day (though some would say > that hitler saw himself as a mystic - - and as the focus of a new religion). I eally hate to sound like a know-it-all, but... If you read your history again, the French Revolution was *not* rational, or a product of enlightenment thinking in the same way as the American Revolution, and note the different results. The fatal flaw was the irrational notion of Egalitarianism, or equality, which is the opposite of Freedom and individualism. It's also nonsense to hold up Stalin and Hitler as rational and non-religious - Hitler was Catholic (never excommunicated, BTW) and a deep Mystic - into the whole Spear of Destiny thing. Stalin was a Russian Orthodox man to the end too. Both Communism and Nazism are irrational quasi-religious beliefs which simply substitute 'Society' for 'God' in the tyranny equation set down by the monarchs who came before them. > Live and let live, I say, but don't let an untruth slip > by. Integrity requires it. > ** truth . . . what IS truth? i see a person's truth based on his/her belief > system. sorry, i don't believe in absolutes; No absolutes huh? Jump off a skyscraper someday. Gravity's a bitch. - Larry (the reluctant know-it-all) :) From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Mar 8 23:57:58 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA17170; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 23:57:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 23:57:58 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <009f01bf8981$3b6b0880$7c310140@concentric.net> From: "Larry Tremblay" To: References: <20000308235714.22545.qmail@web3402.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Discuss Amongst Yourselves.... Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 23:37:51 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"tbxXl3.0.AU2.8donu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12700 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > Don't you think that is often the case with all > musicians? I often play bass in a band situation, and > often find myself overplaying, when the most simple, > basic, "easy" bass line sounds best. It's hard to step > out of your musician mind set, and truly listen as a > non-musician would - but it's often very enlightening > when you do. > > If you have to explain your "art" (musical,visual,etc) > maybe it isn't fulfilling its intended aim, and you > should focus on making it better, instead of just > explaining it. You hit the nail on the head! Thanks. - Larry (having trouble articulating today) > I have noticed (IMHO) that the achilles heel of > > loopers is that sometimes we > > make a big deal out of the mechanics, technology, > > and process of making > > loop based or drone music. The audience, however, > > often doesn't care HOW > > we made the music, or our philosophy behind it. > > They just want some good > > music. > > > Aaron > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Mar 8 23:57:33 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA16904; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 23:57:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 23:57:33 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: pvallad1@tampabay.rr.com Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000308235251.00ac83a0@pop-server> X-Sender: pvallad1@pop-server X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 23:52:51 -0500 To: Subject: Re: Discuss Amongst Yourselves.... In-Reply-To: <006701bf8927$19acad20$5a05020a@beelzejuice.mecasw.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"bnFjO3.0.fg3.qtonu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12701 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 12:52 PM 3/8/00 -0500, Ken Melms wrote: >With this in mind - I wonder if the "clipping" of certain frequencies that >are out of our normal range of hearing (like on a tape or CD or any >recording for that matter) truly destroys the overal ambiance of the sound. >Even if you can't hear a 56,000 wavelength, won't that wave still interfere >/ modify / beat with the harmonics of other notes being played, and that >interaction/interference beat would vertainly be in a pulse range compatible >with human hearing. So - wouldn't the removal of these super-high harmonics >alter forever the true nature of the original sound? Just a thought as I >think about the layers of sound, harmonic upon harmonic, interacting with >each other to make other "inferred" sounds. I believe this was among the arguments made by one of my old college professors (in the electrical engineering department) about why the industry screwed up by choosing 44.1 KHz as the CD sampling rate. He strongly felt 70 KHz was much better because it preserved more of the high frequencies with the bandwidth topping out at 35 KHz instead of around 20 KHz, the supposed uppermost limit of human hearing. For archival purposes, he felt that the recording process should preserve frequencies up to 35 KHz instead of simply chopping off any and all frequencies over 20 KHz. Again, note that he emphasized the word "archival". Paolo From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Mar 9 00:59:53 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA03045; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 00:59:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 00:59:53 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Hawkeye255@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 00:53:40 EST Subject: Re: Discuss Amongst Yourselves.... To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 66 Resent-Message-ID: <"DtdTI.0.YR.6opnu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12703 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com << truth . . . what IS truth? >> from Lawrence Ferlinghetti's "A Coney Island Of The Mind" "6 'Truth is not the secret of a few' yet you would maybe think so the way some librarians and cultural ambassadors and especially museum directors act you'd think they had a corner on it the way they walk around shaking their high heads and looking as if they never went to the bath room or anything But I wouldn't blame them if I were you They say the Spiritual is best conceived in abstact terms and then too walking around museums always makes me want to 'sit down' I always feel so constipated in those high altitudes" -- hawkeye From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Mar 9 00:56:05 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA02821; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 00:56:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 00:56:05 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <009601bf898b$3bbf1060$617cb2d0@computer> From: "Petr Dolak" To: Subject: Sound Forge mystery Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 00:48:43 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0093_01BF8961.38320B20" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"Mmigw.0.I8.Oipnu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12702 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0093_01BF8961.38320B20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Can anybody give me advice why the sound coming out of Sound Forge via = analog outputs sounds good, while the sound routed through S/PDIF, as = well as going into my cd burner, is mildly distorted and contains soft = (but audible) clicking? Does it have something to do with sampling = rate? I recorded the sound into SF through S/PDIF with both machines at = 44.1 kHz. And now, when I try to take it out again, there is this = clicking even if I turn the external recorder on 48 kHz, while the = analog is still fine, without any clicking and distortion. The SF manual talks about the clicking in terms of data access (during = playing or recording), but why I would not hear it from analog outputs = too? Any advice will be greatly appreciated. ------=_NextPart_000_0093_01BF8961.38320B20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Can anybody give = me advice why=20 the sound coming out of Sound Forge via analog outputs sounds good, = while the=20 sound routed through S/PDIF, as well as going into my cd burner, is = mildly=20 distorted and contains soft (but audible) clicking?  Does it have = something=20 to do with sampling rate?  I recorded the sound into SF through = S/PDIF with=20 both machines at 44.1 kHz.  And now, when I try to take it out = again, there=20 is this clicking even if I turn the external recorder on 48 kHz, while = the=20 analog is still fine, without any clicking and distortion.
 
The SF manual = talks about the=20 clicking in terms of data access (during playing or recording), but why = I would=20 not hear it from analog outputs too?
 
Any advice will be = greatly=20 appreciated.
------=_NextPart_000_0093_01BF8961.38320B20-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Mar 9 01:18:37 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA08548; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 01:18:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 01:18:37 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Hawkeye255@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 01:09:51 EST Subject: Re: Discuss Amongst Yourselves.... To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 66 Resent-Message-ID: <"TM9sW2.0.kU1.K1qnu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12705 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com << Are people so brainwashed by "political correctness" and "sensitivity" that they're afraid of having strong opinions? >> here's one "simple philosophy" I heard up in the jungles of Southeast Asia: "If you can't eat IT, drink IT, smoke IT or fuck IT....forget IT." hawkeye PS: not that I subscribe to that view (much) anymore ;-) From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Mar 9 01:07:21 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA05870; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 01:07:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 01:07:21 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Hawkeye255@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 01:01:01 EST Subject: Re: Helmholtz, Eno, Partch, and frequency To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 66 Resent-Message-ID: <"JDQUz.0.Z11.2vpnu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12704 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com << A bunch of glass tubes of various lengths and diameters, each filled with a different colored liquid which slowly (and randomly?) raises and lowers, each tube has a microphone running to its own looper unit, each looper has a different loop length. Place this is a public setting, like a coffee shop, and let it go. A Helmholtz/Eno Organ? >> Good Idea! Forget the EDP, I want one of those!!! Put my name on your list for one of the first units out of your shop. ;-) hawkeye From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Mar 9 01:20:01 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA08675; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 01:20:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 01:20:01 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Hawkeye255@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 01:14:03 EST Subject: Re: Discuss Amongst Yourselves.... To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 66 Resent-Message-ID: <"iJC6I2.0.An1.E5qnu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12706 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com << really wonderful to be reading posts about something other than equipment thanks............michael >> here here!! hawkeye I was going to "unsubscribe" (if I could figure out how) but this thread has me hanging around again. And thinking about some very elemental issues in music and looping. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Mar 9 01:44:56 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA15131; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 01:44:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 01:44:56 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000309063826.1372.qmail@web109.yahoomail.com> Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 22:38:26 -0800 (PST) From: John Tidwell Subject: Re: Discuss Amongst Yourselves.... To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"SlMOT2.0.HM3.aRqnu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12707 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com 1) Pluck the broken string 2) Hear the broken string 3) Loop the broken string 4) Be the broken string & you will receive a bonus gift: the Shirley MacClaine nudie video, "500 Channels & Nothing On". John --- stanitarium@earthlink.net wrote: > Not to change the subject or anything but I just > broke a guitar string-any > suggestions?...STANNER ===== John Tidwell __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Mar 9 03:26:49 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA06152; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 03:26:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 03:26:49 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Nick.Key@solent.ac.uk Subject: Wave file basics To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 08:19:17 +0000 Message-ID: X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on Sinotes/Southampton Institute(Release 5.0.2c (Intl)|2 February 2000) at 09/03/2000 08:19:18 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: <"tv1yM3.0.g91.bvrnu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12708 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi Im just starting to use stuff like SFacid and SF Audio express, Vaz. Im looking for some decent resources that explain about frequency, oscillation and all, so I can start making my own sounds. Can anyone help please? rgds Nanook From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Mar 9 04:38:51 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA23098; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 04:38:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 04:38:51 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Javier Miranda V." To: Subject: RE: Discuss Amongst Yourselves.... Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 01:23:13 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 In-Reply-To: <3f.1dfc90b.25f8609b@aol.com> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <"icsMM.0.OL5.s0tnu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12710 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Yeah, it's about time people started talking about the real side of looping. Someone said we talk too much about the equipment and the elements that go into what we do, but seldom do we talk about the effects, the nature of what we do. I've already talked about it so I won't inflict my thoughts on the list again; however, I like to see other folks go at it-- in more ways than one... | -----Original Message----- | From: Nemoguitt@aol.com [mailto:Nemoguitt@aol.com] | Sent: Wednesday 08 March 2000 6:04 PM | To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com | Subject: Re: Discuss Amongst Yourselves.... | | | In a message dated 3/8/00 4:06:04 PM Mid-Atlantic Standard Time, | johnmcc@aldiscon.ie writes: | | << Just | trying to clarify, for if a discussion about musical loops, | their practice | and ability to communicate with a listener is specious, then | surely this | list is pointless. >> | | i like that word "specious"..........ill have to look it | up..........:)............also, really wonderful to be reading | posts about | something other than equipment.......thanks............michael | | From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Mar 9 04:39:39 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA23140; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 04:39:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 04:39:39 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhUAnq+gJNDKHi8oDCcFv2BtFs01pU0CFEfgTIu3MJgpjIE6pUkoD6+CD2oy From: DanKoontz@webtv.net (Dan Koontz) Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 01:33:41 -0800 (PST) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Discuss Amongst Yourselves.... Message-ID: <22217-38C76FF5-2822@storefull-162.iap.bryant.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: "Larry Tremblay" 's message of Wed, 8 Mar 2000 23:35:59 -0500 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Resent-Message-ID: <"RyQhY1.0.mK5.u_snu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12709 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I don't think even Ayn Rand could have said it better. Long live rationality! Cheers, - Dan From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Mar 9 05:20:23 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA00472; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 05:20:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 05:20:23 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: SnarleyCo@aol.com Message-ID: <15.1c76df3.25f8d375@aol.com> Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 05:14:13 EST Subject: Re: Sound Forge mystery To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 67 Resent-Message-ID: <"Eunko1.0.tj7.Octnu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12711 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 3/9/00 12:56:18 AM Eastern Standard Time, pepetr@crnet.net writes: << Can anybody give me advice why the sound coming out of Sound Forge via analog outputs sounds good, while the sound routed through S/PDIF, as well as going into my cd burner, is mildly distorted and contains soft (but audible) clicking? Does it have something to do with sampling rate? I recorded the sound into SF through S/PDIF with both machines at 44.1 kHz. And now, when I try to take it out again, there is this clicking even if I turn the external recorder on 48 kHz, while the analog is still fine, without any clicking and distortion. The SF manual talks about the clicking in terms of data access (during playing or recording), but why I would not hear it from analog outputs too? Any advice will be greatly appreciated. >> have you tried shutting down all forge "windows" (for that matter Forge itself, then running the tune as a mixed Wav. ??? that fixed the prob fer me. Carl Snow Moss Hill REC> From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Mar 9 05:48:15 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA06361; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 05:48:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 05:48:15 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: johnmcc@aldiscon.ie Subject: Re: Discuss Amongst Yourselves.... To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.2b (Intl) 16 December 1999 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 10:30:50 +0000 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on DublinDomino01/SRV/Aldiscon(Release 5.0.2a (Intl)|23 November 1999) at 09/03/2000 10:30:51 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"5xR25.0.Ii.-rtnu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12712 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com [Larry:] > Neo-Mysticism is an intellectual trend toward 'Quantum > Theorizing' everything, especially spirituality ahh .. I see where you were coming from now .. yes, this sort of stuff is to be viewed with (at the very least) caution. > But her [Chandra's] own public allegiance to Mysticism > belies a brand of smarmy spirituality I didn't realise that .. I actually don't know too much about her, just had one of her CDs, and liked some of the music. Taking this one set of liner notes on their own, they don't appear particularly New Age-y (although some gave me pause to reconsider), but some more context might have given me a warning that I was accidently implying something else entirely. > Perhaps I misunderstood your implication. I apologize if I did. No worries .. the internet is an ideal medium for bizzare misunderstandings, and I fully expect a sitcom to spring up around it any day now. ;-) Regards, John From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Mar 9 06:09:00 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA11331; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 06:09:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 06:09:00 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: johnmcc@aldiscon.ie Subject: gentlemen, you can't fight in here, this is the war room To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.2b (Intl) 16 December 1999 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 10:59:37 +0000 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on DublinDomino01/SRV/Aldiscon(Release 5.0.2a (Intl)|23 November 1999) at 09/03/2000 10:59:38 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"3A2bj.0.nQ2.2Hunu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12713 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com [Michael:] > i like that word "specious" Definitely worth adding to "spurious" and "archival" in the lexicon of "words to use in e-mails" ! [Larry:] > Feeling are no substitute for the validity of the senses. True - especially about not jumping off buildings ;-) But what if the validity of our senses is itself subjective? What the NS article implies is that what we have considered to be absolute truths about the universe are in fact patterns .. e.g. Newtonian physics is actually is actually just one aspect of a statistical phenomenon. It's an interesting idea, as it implies that the true nature of the world for us, is not its "fundamental" nature. Not that this changes gravity ot the price of butter or anything .... [Mike:] > It's interesting and shocking to see just how easily range wars > develop! Well, I wouldn't exactly call it a "rage war", maybe a "miffed police action" .... [Aaron:] > If you have to explain your "art" (musical,visual,etc) > maybe it isn't fulfilling its intended aim Nice elegant bit of thinking there! And we're off to Hofstadter's inner/outer message .... John From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Mar 9 06:19:14 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA13621; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 06:19:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 06:19:14 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: johnmcc@aldiscon.ie Subject: Re: Carlos Vamos (Re[2]: Music in Spain) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.2b (Intl) 16 December 1999 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 11:13:28 +0000 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on DublinDomino01/SRV/Aldiscon(Release 5.0.2a (Intl)|23 November 1999) at 09/03/2000 11:13:29 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"NtSP43.0.y13.wTunu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12714 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com [Miguel:] > I met Carlos Vamos in September/98 while he was playing at the Ramblas. Actually, that was when I met him as well ! Well, he was playing at the time, and I was talking to a girl who was selling his CDs .... small world, or what. Very talented guy .. no mention of him on the web that I can see. > A few meters down the Rambla there was another guy using a Jamman and > playing a modified lap dulcimer as a guitar; his name was Lindsay > Buckingham (from Australia). This must have been the other guy I saw. Not the Fleetwood Mac LB tho' .. I also saw a band called "Alius" - a sort of rock-funk-jazz fusion outfit with drums, bass, sax and a guy playing a Spanish guitar through a Marshall. Great band. In terms of buskers going round the European cities, there was a guy here in Dublin a few years back who used to play electric guitar using two-handed tapping, but sitting cross-legged with the body of the guitar in his shoulder, and the headstock at his feet! Don't know his name, but that's gotta be the most unusual guitar technique I've ever seen. John From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Mar 9 10:06:00 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA01752; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 10:06:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 10:06:00 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <003701bf89d8$5fa60400$16310140@concentric.net> From: "Larry Tremblay" To: References: Subject: Re: Discuss Amongst Yourselves.... Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 10:01:35 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"d-9313.0.jw7.wlxnu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12716 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > > [Larry:] > > Neo-Mysticism is an intellectual trend toward 'Quantum > > Theorizing' everything, especially spirituality > > ahh .. I see where you were coming from now .. yes, this sort of stuff is > to be viewed with (at the very least) caution. Phew. That's all I meant to point out. > > > But her [Chandra's] own public allegiance to Mysticism > > belies a brand of smarmy spirituality > > I didn't realise that .. I actually don't know too much about her, just had > one of her CDs, and liked some of the music. Taking this one set of liner > notes on their own, they don't appear particularly New Age-y (although some > gave me pause to reconsider), but some more context might have given me a > warning that I was accidently implying something else entirely. > > > Perhaps I misunderstood your implication. I apologize if I did. > > No worries .. the internet is an ideal medium for bizzare > misunderstandings, and I fully expect a sitcom to spring up around it any > day now. ;-) > > Regards, > John Thanks John. I agree. I was a bit distressed that the thread was going to spin out of control. ;-) Best regards to you! - Larry From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Mar 9 10:02:50 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA01469; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 10:02:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 10:02:50 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <001f01bf89d7$a7b675f0$16310140@concentric.net> From: "Larry Tremblay" To: References: Subject: Re: Discuss Amongst Yourselves.... Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 09:56:29 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"bc6pk1.0.te7.Ahxnu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12715 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > << Are people so brainwashed by "political correctness" and "sensitivity" > that they're afraid of having strong opinions? >> > > here's one "simple philosophy" I heard up in the jungles of Southeast Asia: > "If you can't eat IT, drink IT, smoke IT or fuck IT....forget IT." > > hawkeye Thanks Hawkeye, that reminded of David Lee Roth's common sense philosophy: "Don't sweat the small shit. It's all small shit." :) - Larry (lightening up) From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Mar 9 10:07:10 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA02729; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 10:07:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 10:07:10 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000309150057.16544.qmail@web1405.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 07:00:57 -0800 (PST) From: "Theme MoTif." Subject: w30 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"JKJfX2.0.AA.ioxnu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12717 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Are any of you familiar with the Roland w30? If so, can anyone tell me how to incorporate my external samples into the keyboard's sequencer? thememuzik ===== HTTP://LISTEN.TO/WCOR THEMEMUZIK@YAHOO.COM __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Mar 9 10:34:56 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA09484; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 10:34:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 10:34:56 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000309152607.98500.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [166.109.127.3] From: "Alexander Maisey" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Wave file basics Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 15:26:07 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"OLi4Q2.0.Ke1.RAynu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12719 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I just wrote a paper on that very subject for Computers class... I'll send a copy to you. >From: Nick.Key@solent.ac.uk >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Subject: Wave file basics >Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 08:19:17 +0000 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Received: from [209.239.39.1] by hotmail.com (3.2) with ESMTP id >MHotMailBA90AB3700A9D82197D2D1EF270104230; Thu Mar 09 00:26:34 2000 >Received: (from kflint@localhost)by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id >DAA06123;Thu, 9 Mar 2000 03:26:31 -0500 >From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Mar 09 00:26:45 2000 >Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 03:26:31 -0500 >X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to >Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f >Message-ID: >X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on Sinotes/Southampton Institute(Release >5.0.2c (Intl)|2 February 2000) at 09/03/2000 08:19:18 >Resent-Message-ID: <"tv1yM3.0.g91.bvrnu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> >Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12708 >X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Precedence: list >Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > >Hi > >Im just starting to use stuff like SFacid and SF Audio express, Vaz. > >Im looking for some decent resources that explain about frequency, >oscillation and all, so I can start making my own sounds. > >Can anyone help please? > >rgds > >Nanook > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Mar 9 10:40:05 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA11070; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 10:40:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 10:40:05 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 12:22:55 -0300 Message-ID: <00012A22.C22133@jpbrasil.com.br> From: miguel.barella@jpbrasil.com.br (MAT) Subject: Re[2]: Carlos Vamos (Re[2]: Music in Spain) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Resent-Message-ID: <"w_nbw2.0.uw1.fCynu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12720 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sorry; his name was Lindsay Buckland. Miguel ____________________Separador de Resposta____________________ Assunto: Re: Carlos Vamos (Re[2]: Music in Spain) Autor: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" Data: 08/03/2000 14:46 As in Fleetwood Mac Lindsay Buckingham? Cliff -----Original Message----- From: MAT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Wednesday, March 08, 2000 10:58 AM Subject: Carlos Vamos (Re[2]: Music in Spain) > The Ramblas that Mark mentioned is the main street of >the old town, and I saw some buskers near the top (north) end of that. One >was a guy called Carlos Vamos, playing electric guitar using two-handed >tapping, and using realtime loops. > >== I met Carlos Vamos in September/98 while he was playing at the Ramblas. He >was using a Jamman and making his own compositions. We talked about looping, >guitatrs etc. and exchanged cd's. It is good to know he is still doing his >things in Barcelona. > >A few meters down the Rambla there was another guy using a Jamman and playing a >modified lap dulcimer as a guitar; his name was Lindsay Buckingham (from >Australia). > >Barcelona is "the" City in Europe. > >Miguel > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Mar 9 10:41:52 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA11235; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 10:41:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 10:41:52 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 12:29:57 -0300 Message-ID: <00012A31.C22133@jpbrasil.com.br> From: miguel.barella@jpbrasil.com.br (MAT) Subject: Re[2]: Carlos Vamos (Re[2]: Music in Spain) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Resent-Message-ID: <"dE7Od2.0.xL2.VJynu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12721 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > I met Carlos Vamos in September/98 while he was playing at the Ramblas. Actually, that was when I met him as well ! Well, he was playing at the time, and I was talking to a girl who was selling his CDs .... ==> A chinese girl as far as I can remember. small world,or what. ==> The world is a loop... Very talented guy .. no mention of him on the web that I can see. ==> I have his adress in Amsterdam but no e-mail or www. Miguel From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Mar 9 10:31:14 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA08267; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 10:31:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 10:31:14 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Sender: crash@waste.org From: Todd Madson To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Interesting... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 09:12:58 -0600 Resent-Message-ID: <"modWl3.0.Rc1.w8ynu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12718 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Interesting discussions regarding music, cosmology, religion, and music being a cell, a microcosm of the macrocosm. All I know is that in various musica situations time has seemed to stand still and it feels like you're flying in a dream or something. I've read that Fripp says once you experience that, you'll do almost anything to get back to that. I can see why. You can't plan it or force it to happen, it just does. Anyone experience this? In looping too. Sometimes you stop thinking and just interact with the loop and a piece just sort of generates itself. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Mar 9 11:17:34 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA21072; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 11:17:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 11:17:34 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000309080554.008b9870@pop3.argotech.net> X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 08:05:54 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Rich Subject: Re: Helmholtz, Eno, Partch, and frequency In-Reply-To: <38C6F8F5.3ED8304@best.com> References: <006701bf8927$19acad20$5a05020a@beelzejuice.mecasw.com> <00ae01bf8938$2fb72990$83310140@concentric.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"FYQaH1.0.Ah4.ppynu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12722 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 05:05 PM 3/8/00 -0800, you wrote: >This gives me an idea for a sound installation. A bunch of glass tubes of >various lengths and diameters, each filled with a different colored liquid which >slowly (and randomly?) raises and lowers, each tube has a microphone running to >its own looper unit, each looper has a different loop length. Place this is a >public setting, like a coffee shop, and let it go. A Helmholtz/Eno Organ? > >-Allan I think this is one of the best ideas on this list in a while! Anybody got any connections for funding patrons? rich From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Mar 9 11:21:09 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA22251; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 11:21:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 11:21:09 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <010d01bf89e2$d70de710$5a05020a@beelzejuice.mecasw.com> Reply-To: "Ken M" From: "Ken Melms" To: Subject: Re: Interesting... Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 11:16:32 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 Resent-Message-ID: <"u4ZU93.0.Pm4.0synu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12723 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com That's when the Greeks would say the "Muse" was visiting. I've experienced it in furtive glances, and work hard to bring myself to the skill level necessary to do it again and again. Ken -----Original Message----- From: Todd Madson To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Thursday, March 09, 2000 11:09 AM Subject: Interesting... >Interesting discussions regarding music, cosmology, religion, and >music being a cell, a microcosm of the macrocosm. > >All I know is that in various musica situations time has seemed to >stand still and it feels like you're flying in a dream or something. > >I've read that Fripp says once you experience that, you'll do almost >anything to get back to that. > >I can see why. You can't plan it or force it to happen, it just does. > >Anyone experience this? In looping too. Sometimes you stop thinking >and just interact with the loop and a piece just sort of generates >itself. > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Mar 9 11:38:16 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA26690; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 11:38:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 11:38:16 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: johnmcc@aldiscon.ie Subject: Re: Helmholtz, Eno, Partch, and frequency To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.2b (Intl) 16 December 1999 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 16:30:01 +0000 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on DublinDomino01/SRV/Aldiscon(Release 5.0.2a (Intl)|23 November 1999) at 09/03/2000 16:30:02 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"qRUyC.0.E36.i6znu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12725 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > each filled with a different colored liquid which > slowly (and randomly?) raises and lowers, each > tube has a microphone running to its own looper > unit, each looper .... > Place this is a public setting, like a coffee shop How about tubes filled with coffe and other beverages, so as you get your desired order, the sounds change .. ? Does anyone know if it's possible to generate web audio "on the fly", for instance create a RealAudio stream in real time. That way, you could have music on a site that changed depending on the number of visitors, what they were viewing etc. Perhaps the Beatnik plug-in would facilitate this? Maybe we could rig up a "virtual" version of the above! John From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Mar 9 11:41:24 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA27965; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 11:41:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 11:41:24 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 08:32:21 -0800 From: "Mike Biffle" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, ltct@concentric.net Subject: Re: RE: Discuss Amongst Yourselves.... Resent-Message-ID: <"vjejZ1.0.R76.x8znu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12726 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > Yes, I understand that. At the sub-atomic level apparently there's "no there, there". I was making a case against mystical, unfounded, beliefs about music which are based on little more than "feelings". For example, just because I "feel" that the world is round, it does not make it true. Feeling are no substitute for the validity of the senses. Strange that music is such a "feeling" idiom... I'm surprised you're doing it! Pretty subjective... >> Musically speaking, very few of us would be venturing too far out on any limbs if we all subscribed to such conservative nay-saying. > The range of musical expression I am interested in runs the gamut from Bulgarian Radio Choirs, the throat-singers of Tuva Tuva, John Cage, Cowell, Eno, et al, to the Beatles, Alvin Lucier, the Sex Pistols, Sonic Youth, NegativeLand, Soviet France, etc...just to name a few. But if any one of these artists attempts to prop up what they do with wrong-headed platitudes and BS, it would be intellectually dishonest for me to simply ignore it. I'm not talking about your "musical" open mindedness... I'm referring to your lack of tolerance for other people's ideas. You might be a musical compendium, but your willingness to kindly let others discuss their honest ideas and beliefs without trying to negate them could use some work... > Are people so brainwashed by "political correctness" and "sensitivity" that they're afraid of having strong opinions? If your opinions were more kindly and less confrontive and imposing I might be more willing to listen to them... Why do you want us to believe in your ideas so damn much? -Miko From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Mar 9 11:40:37 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA26991; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 11:40:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 11:40:37 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Sender: crash@waste.org From: Todd Madson To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Broken Strings.. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 09:29:40 -0600 Resent-Message-ID: <"BhEUE2.0.S45.luynu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12724 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Oh! I have a recording where I'm playing and a string breaks. I should record it, because while the note just before the break is normal, during the break this super high sounding PING sound comes through. I bet it would sound very interesting looped and munged. Good idea to try! From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Mar 9 11:56:29 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA31323; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 11:56:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 11:56:29 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <003201bf89e7$c4cbbb40$16310140@concentric.net> From: "Larry Tremblay" To: References: Subject: Re: Interesting... Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 11:51:50 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"X0l7f2.0.OC7.ENznu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12727 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > Anyone experience this? In looping too. Sometimes you stop thinking > and just interact with the loop and a piece just sort of generates > itself. Happens to me every once in a while, more often when looping. Time seems to compress (psychologically it does). I think it has something to do with the way the involuntary bodily functions (breathing, heartbeat, etc) and the mind (synaptic firing sequences and brain activity) become entrained by its environment after prolonged exposure. It's similar to the "jack-hammer effect" in psychology jargon. For example, if someone beside you starts up a jackhammer, initially it's quite startling, but after a few moments you filter out the startling elements and the body adjusts. After a few more moments your whole body synchronizes itself to "jack-hammer time". It's also at the root of the rhythmic, cyclic music of shamanistic ceremonies and similar rituals which send listeners and purveyers into hypnotic states, where time seems to disappear. The same phenomenon can be induced through drones, intoning and chanting. How do you think Monks deal with all those years cooped up in those Monasteries? "Hey, let chant. Let's get 'high'. Interesting stuff. - Larry > Interesting discussions regarding music, cosmology, religion, and > music being a cell, a microcosm of the macrocosm. > > All I know is that in various musica situations time has seemed to > stand still and it feels like you're flying in a dream or something. > > I've read that Fripp says once you experience that, you'll do almost > anything to get back to that. > > I can see why. You can't plan it or force it to happen, it just does. > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Mar 9 12:52:33 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA13597; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 12:52:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 12:52:33 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C41302BF@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Discuss Amongst Yourselves.... Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 12:34:02 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.10) Resent-Message-ID: <"Rx36l.0.3K2.h3-nu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12728 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I eally hate to sound like a know-it-all, but... If you read your history again, the French Revolution was *not* rational, or a product of enlightenment thinking in the same way as the American Revolution, and note the different results. ** i don't think that i was implying that they were rational, only that what they did was IN THE NAME of rationality; big difference. they were most certainly anti-religious (got to the popes' palace in avignon and you'll see what i mean). The fatal flaw was the irrational notion of Egalitarianism, or equality, which is the opposite of Freedom and individualism. It's also nonsense to hold up Stalin and Hitler as rational and non-religious - Hitler was Catholic (never excommunicated, BTW) and a deep Mystic - into the whole Spear of Destiny thing. ** i've read the "spear of destiny" and it's interesting, but to be taken with a large grain of salt. some serious "truth" needs to be thought about when reading that book, lots of mystical mumbo-jumbo in that one - - interesting that you would use THAT example to back your viewpoint up. if you read about the nazi propaganda machine, you'll find that the idea was to cut the people off from the religion and develop hitler as a the center of a new religion. (by the way if you read my post, you'd see that i mentioned the idea of hitler being a mystic - - but many of those underneath the top guys - - goring probably wasn't - - were not that way. "hitler was a choirboy," i've seen the tony alamo posters too! love that you're using that.) it seems like rationality has a very specific and ego-centric definition for you. Stalin was a Russian Orthodox man to the end too. Both Communism and Nazism are irrational quasi-religious beliefs which simply substitute 'Society' for 'God' in the tyranny equation set down by the monarchs who came before them. ** stalin razed a lot of russian orthodox churches. i'd say that all you've pointed out that is people will kill a lot of people in the name of "truth." i view stalin as more of a czar to the end . . . is your point: organized religion bad? sure i'd go along with that, FOR ME, a lot of the time. that equation doesn't work for everyone. > Live and let live, I say, but don't let an untruth slip > by. Integrity requires it. > ** truth . . . what IS truth? i see a person's truth based on his/her belief > system. sorry, i don't believe in absolutes; No absolutes huh? Jump off a skyscraper someday. Gravity's a bitch. ** talk about specious . . . i'd bet you that most hindus (who was slagging their belief system?), or "new-agists" would agree that jumping off that building would have that effect . . . i believe you used a little dig to belittle a point of view that you cared not to discuss a little more civilly . . . too bad. i believe that we were talking about the "hokiness" of some people's belief systems . . . or at least some people's perceptions of that "hokiness" . . . ** my belief is this: the real problem is that people get too caught up in their version of the "truth" and are ready to kill for it all too often; it seems to be more important to be right (and possibly a know-it-all) than it is to really deal with issues. (see american political system nowadays . . . ) - Larry (the reluctant know-it-all) :) ** reluctant? stig From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Mar 9 13:08:57 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA17649; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 13:08:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 13:08:57 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38C7E70D.57BB@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 10:01:52 -0800 From: scott kungha drengsen X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-MACOS8 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Interesting... References: <003201bf89e7$c4cbbb40$16310140@concentric.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"_LovK1.0.pb3.DM-nu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12729 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I believe it has something to do w/how consciousness reacts AFTER the bodies involuntary functions become synchronised w/their environment.For the listener,meditater,musician the "subjective" experience is definatly the most primary and most varied part of the phenomenon.Monks,for the most part,do not"deal"w/being cooped up in monasteries.They choose to be there.(Just as we all do not"deal"with looping for hours on end,our loved ones do:) PEACE-Kungha From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Mar 9 13:16:39 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA20204; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 13:16:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 13:16:39 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <014501bf89f3$3366da20$d87379a5@cliff> From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" To: Subject: Re: Discuss Amongst Yourselves.... Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 10:13:03 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Resent-Message-ID: <"-cSUs1.0.zL4.Ma-nu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12730 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I keep pressing record on my EDP footpedal but this thread just won't quit- time to turn it OFF- (off list that is) Cliff -----Original Message----- From: Liebig, Steuart A. To: 'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com' Date: Thursday, March 09, 2000 10:00 AM Subject: RE: Discuss Amongst Yourselves.... >I eally hate to sound like a know-it-all, but... >If you read your history again, the French Revolution was *not* rational, >or a product of enlightenment thinking in the same way as the American >Revolution, and note the different results. > >** i don't think that i was implying that they were rational, only that what >they did was IN THE NAME of rationality; big difference. they were most >certainly anti-religious (got to the popes' palace in avignon and you'll see >what i mean). > >The fatal flaw was the >irrational notion of Egalitarianism, or equality, which is the opposite >of Freedom and individualism. It's also nonsense to hold up Stalin and >Hitler as rational and non-religious - Hitler was Catholic (never >excommunicated, BTW) and a deep Mystic - into the whole Spear of Destiny >thing. > >** i've read the "spear of destiny" and it's interesting, but to be taken >with a large grain of salt. some serious "truth" needs to be thought about >when reading that book, lots of mystical mumbo-jumbo in that one - - >interesting that you would use THAT example to back your viewpoint up. if >you read about the nazi propaganda machine, you'll find that the idea was to >cut the people off from the religion and develop hitler as a the center of a >new religion. (by the way if you read my post, you'd see that i mentioned >the idea of hitler being a mystic - - but many of those underneath the top >guys - - goring probably wasn't - - were not that way. "hitler was a >choirboy," i've seen the tony alamo posters too! love that you're using >that.) > >it seems like rationality has a very specific and ego-centric definition for >you. > >Stalin was a Russian Orthodox man to the end too. Both Communism >and Nazism are irrational quasi-religious beliefs which simply substitute >'Society' for 'God' in the tyranny equation set down by the monarchs who >came before them. > >** stalin razed a lot of russian orthodox churches. i'd say that all you've >pointed out that is people will kill a lot of people in the name of "truth." >i view stalin as more of a czar to the end . . . > > >is your point: organized religion bad? sure i'd go along with that, FOR ME, >a lot of the time. that equation doesn't work for everyone. > >> Live and let live, I say, but don't let an untruth slip >> by. Integrity requires it. > >> ** truth . . . what IS truth? i see a person's truth based on his/her >belief >> system. sorry, i don't believe in absolutes; > >No absolutes huh? Jump off a skyscraper someday. Gravity's a bitch. > >** talk about specious . . . > >i'd bet you that most hindus (who was slagging their belief system?), or >"new-agists" would agree that jumping off that building would have that >effect . . . i believe you used a little dig to belittle a point of view >that you cared not to discuss a little more civilly . . . too bad. i believe >that we were talking about the "hokiness" of some people's belief systems . >. . or at least some people's perceptions of that "hokiness" . . . > >** my belief is this: the real problem is that people get too caught up in >their version of the "truth" and are ready to kill for it all too often; it >seems to be more important to be right (and possibly a know-it-all) than it >is to really deal with issues. (see american political system nowadays . . . >) > >- Larry (the reluctant know-it-all) :) > >** reluctant? > >stig > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Mar 9 13:18:04 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA20383; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 13:18:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 13:18:04 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38C7E815.F57FB41@best.com> Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 10:06:13 -0800 From: Allan Hoeltje X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Stephen P. Goodman" , Loopers-Delight Subject: Re: Helmholtz, Eno, Partch, and frequency References: <006701bf8927$19acad20$5a05020a@beelzejuice.mecasw.com> <00ae01bf8938$2fb72990$83310140@concentric.net> <38C6F8F5.3ED8304@best.com> <001101bf8975$46eed760$3622dacf@sgoodman> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"5-dYs.0.qM4.ua-nu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12731 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com "Dark Star" ? Is this that low budget sci-fi movie from the '70s by John Carpenter? God, I haven't heard of or seen that in years. Wasn't his instrument played with mallets? -Allan "Stephen P. Goodman" wrote: > What you describe almost sounds like the instrument-of-a-sort that the > captain of "Dark Star" played in his relaxing time... :) > > Stephen Goodman > EarthLight Productions * http://www.earthlight.net From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Mar 9 13:25:38 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA22045; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 13:25:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 13:25:38 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Misha" To: Subject: RE: Interesting... Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 13:22:51 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <010d01bf89e2$d70de710$5a05020a@beelzejuice.mecasw.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <"OTygy1.0.6_4.lh-nu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12732 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > That's when the Greeks would say the "Muse" was visiting. I've > experienced > it in furtive glances, and work hard to bring myself to the skill level > necessary to do it again and again. Yes! I think skill level is essential in getting the 'Muse' to visit. I do not believe it is a 'jack hammer effect', nor simply a psychological state educed by droning which is purely physical (so, Larry, go ahead and pooh-pooh this all you want). If it was simply a physical reaction everyone would be able to easily attain that musical 'zone' where genius and magic happen. Don't remember who remarked on this state saying something like: 'when every note you play is right, and you can't play a wrong one.' This is a nice quote about the Muse visiting: 'Music rears it's beautiful head and puts you right into the rightness.'- Trey Gunn Misha "*We* are the music makers and *we* are the dreamers or dreams.' - Willy Wonka ********************************** 'Future Perfect' - art music http://home1.gte.net/artmusic 'Hazard Factor' - spontaneous grooves http://home1.gte.net/artmusic/hazard Dave Eichenberger- guitars/loops/devices http://home1.gte.net/artmusic/dave From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Mar 9 14:31:49 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA07770; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 14:31:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 14:31:49 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <003b01bf89fb$5121cef0$1e310140@concentric.net> From: "Larry Tremblay" To: References: <006701bf8927$19acad20$5a05020a@beelzejuice.mecasw.com><00ae01bf8938$2fb72990$83310140@concentric.net> <3.0.6.32.20000309080554.008b9870@pop3.argotech.net> Subject: Re: Helmholtz, Eno, Partch, and frequency Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 14:11:31 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"SGCyE1.0.xG.RQ_nu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12733 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Apply to the NEA for a grant. :-) - Larry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rich" To: Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2000 11:05 AM Subject: Re: Helmholtz, Eno, Partch, and frequency > At 05:05 PM 3/8/00 -0800, you wrote: > >This gives me an idea for a sound installation. A bunch of glass tubes of > >various lengths and diameters, each filled with a different colored liquid > which > >slowly (and randomly?) raises and lowers, each tube has a microphone > running to > >its own looper unit, each looper has a different loop length. Place this > is a > >public setting, like a coffee shop, and let it go. A Helmholtz/Eno Organ? > > > >-Allan > > > I think this is one of the best ideas on this list in a while! Anybody got > any connections for funding patrons? > > rich > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Mar 9 14:43:37 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA10767; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 14:43:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 14:43:37 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: alex@cliff.pixar.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <003201bf89e7$c4cbbb40$16310140@concentric.net> References: Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 11:34:47 -0800 To: From: Alex Stahl Subject: Re: Interesting... Resent-Message-ID: <"95DGS2.0.5F2.wq_nu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12735 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com ltct@concentric.net typed: >["Jack-hammer time" is] also at the root of the rhythmic, cyclic music of >shamanistic ceremonies and similar rituals which send >listeners and purveyers into hypnotic states, where time >seems to disappear. After all of the recent posts encouraging intellectual honesty, what are your sources for your statement that entrainment is at the root of timeless music? The time perception literature I've read lately is a bit more humble, suggesting that we don't really know the psychological or neurological reasons behind widely reported variations in subjective duration experience. A number of experiments have demonstrated, using "the validity of the senses", that these changes do indeed occur, and I suspect that most people on this list have first-hand experience from looping. But anecdotal first-hand experience is not proof, and stating it as such is getting awfully close to "pseudo-science drivel". Furthermore, I believe there is rational evidence in vision studies that perception and feelings overlap in a neurological loop. I'm more curious than contrary, asking from my long-term interest in musical time perception. But I have to disagree with your earlier statement that pseudo-science drivel is pointless. Sometimes it is an annoyingly valid attempt at finding a language for ideas which cannot be expressed with pure mathematics or with pure poetry. Sometimes it is e-snakeoil marketing instead. Which is this? -Alex S. >> Anyone experience this? In looping too. Sometimes you stop thinking >> and just interact with the loop and a piece just sort of generates >> itself. > >Happens to me every once in a while, more often when looping. Time >seems to compress (psychologically it does). I think it has something >to do with the way the involuntary bodily functions (breathing, >heartbeat, etc) and the mind (synaptic firing sequences and brain >activity) become entrained by its environment after prolonged >exposure. It's similar to the "jack-hammer effect" in psychology >jargon. > >For example, if someone beside you starts up a jackhammer, initially it's >quite startling, but after a few moments you filter out the startling >elements and the body adjusts. After a few more moments >your whole body synchronizes itself to "jack-hammer time". > >It's also at the root of the rhythmic, cyclic music of >shamanistic ceremonies and similar rituals which send >listeners and purveyers into hypnotic states, where time >seems to disappear. > >The same phenomenon can be induced through drones, intoning >and chanting. How do you think Monks deal with all those years >cooped up in those Monasteries? "Hey, let chant. Let's get 'high'. > >Interesting stuff. > >- Larry > > >> Interesting discussions regarding music, cosmology, religion, and >> music being a cell, a microcosm of the macrocosm. >> >> All I know is that in various musica situations time has seemed to >> stand still and it feels like you're flying in a dream or something. >> >> I've read that Fripp says once you experience that, you'll do almost >> anything to get back to that. >> >> I can see why. You can't plan it or force it to happen, it just does. >> From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Mar 9 14:50:25 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA12423; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 14:50:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 14:50:25 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <005b01bf8a00$92434b20$1e310140@concentric.net> From: "Larry Tremblay" To: References: Subject: Re: Interesting... Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 14:49:22 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"M2pfp.0.Si2.gz_nu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12736 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > Yes! I think skill level is essential in getting the 'Muse' to visit. I do > not believe it is a 'jack hammer effect', nor simply a psychological state > educed by droning which is purely physical (so, Larry, go ahead and > pooh-pooh this all you want). If it was simply a physical reaction everyone > would be able to easily attain that musical 'zone' where genius and magic > happen. Don't remember who remarked on this state saying something like: > 'when every note you play is right, and you can't play a wrong one.' > This is a nice quote about the Muse visiting: > 'Music rears it's beautiful head and puts you right into the rightness.'- > Trey Gunn I agree, skill is very important to achieving consistent results. This is why Shamen are revered. I'm in agreement with Kungha too about how "consciousness reacts AFTER the bodies involuntary functions become synchronised w/their environment". I believe that's what i meant. However, the '"subjective" experience' - which I'm not denying, btw - is bolstered, via one's skill, aquired by purposeful 'mindful' action. Intuitively, everyone knows that the rational and subjective - yin/yang? - alternate between primary/subordinate during the creative process. As Dane Rudyar said: "The sound of music is a revelation of the realm of psychism; and the level of intensity and expression of music is the dynamic reflection of the level of the psychism of especially sensitive and open human beings. Music is a psychic communication." In the same vein, related to the New Scienist article, Donald Hatch Andrews states - "the universe is more like music than matter" - in that "the universe is a whole constituted by an incredibly complex web of communication that relates everything to everything else". I think this 'psychic communication' is manifested in the subjective response we have to harmony, tone and vibration. Just as one can wonder and marvel at the skill and aesthetic genius demonstrated by the buildings of say, Frank Lloyd Wright, one immediately senses the qualities in a piece of music. That's why "Music is frozen architecture" is one of my favorite musical quotes. - Larry (not intending to belittle anyone, especially tastes in architecture). :) - Larry From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Mar 9 14:38:24 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA09388; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 14:38:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 14:38:24 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000309192904.43004.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [205.155.29.185] From: "David Potter" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Interesting... Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 11:29:03 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"hHr4j3.0.5e1.Zk_nu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12734 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I have meditated with an Indian Guru for 26+ years. When I get into a timeless, thoughtless space,the eternal, expansive now.......it's great... the Zone I get into this Zone while looping and time goes away....(I'm sure I've offended some of the anti-spiritual humanists and I'm happy about it.) Om and Out Papa Dave >From: Todd Madson >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Subject: Interesting... >Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 09:12:58 -0600 > >Interesting discussions regarding music, cosmology, religion, and >music being a cell, a microcosm of the macrocosm. > >All I know is that in various musica situations time has seemed to >stand still and it feels like you're flying in a dream or something. > >I've read that Fripp says once you experience that, you'll do almost >anything to get back to that. > >I can see why. You can't plan it or force it to happen, it just does. > >Anyone experience this? In looping too. Sometimes you stop thinking >and just interact with the loop and a piece just sort of generates >itself. > > > > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Mar 9 15:01:47 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA15568; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 15:01:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 15:01:47 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 11:55:52 -0800 From: "Mike Biffle" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, alex@pixar.com Subject: Re: Interesting... Resent-Message-ID: <"wAJhY.0.xQ3.r70ou"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12737 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >>["Jack-hammer time" is] also at the root of the rhythmic, cyclic music of shamanistic ceremonies and similar rituals which send listeners and purveyers into hypnotic states, where time seems to disappear. > Alex Stahl... > After all of the recent posts encouraging intellectual honesty, what are your sources for your statement that entrainment is at the root of timeless music? Thanks so much for this Alex... It was all I could do not to jump in and mention the "contrast" of this from Larry's previous statements! Even more bewildering stance switching (from another post) from Larry below, just for laughs! 8-) Ya know Larry... I find this kind of stuff fine by me, but wonder why previous stuff like this seemed so offensive to you and incited such strong assertions that it smacked of psuedo-scientific balderdash!? Yours truly, -Miko > As Dane Rudyar said: > "The sound of music is a revelation of the realm of psychism; and the level of intensity and expression of music is the dynamic reflection of the level of the psychism of especially sensitive and open human beings. Music is a psychic communication." > In the same vein, related to the New Scienist article, Donald Hatch Andrews states - "the universe is more like music than matter" - in that "the universe is a whole constituted by an incredibly complex web of communication that relates everything to everything else". > I think this 'psychic communication' is manifested in the subjective response we have to harmony, tone and vibration. Just as one can wonder and marvel at the skill and aesthetic genius demonstrated by the buildings of say, Frank Lloyd Wright, one immediately senses the qualities in a piece of music. > That's why "Music is frozen architecture" is one of my favorite musical quotes. > - Larry (not intending to belittle anyone, especially tastes in architecture). :) From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Mar 9 15:27:20 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA22647; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 15:27:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 15:27:20 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C41302CB@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Interesting... Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 15:11:12 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.10) Resent-Message-ID: <"0RE3N2.0.PW4._M0ou"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12738 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In the same vein, related to the New Scienist article, Donald Hatch Andrews states - "the universe is more like music than matter" - in that "the universe is a whole constituted by an incredibly complex web of communication that relates everything to everything else". ** almost sounds like pseudo-scientific mombo-jumbo a la buddhism or hinduism . . . stig From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Mar 9 16:14:19 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA03031; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 16:14:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 16:14:19 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38C80C8E.E5DA18B3@virtulink.com> Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 15:41:50 -0500 From: David Beardsley Organization: SSI X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Interesting... References: <005b01bf8a00$92434b20$1e310140@concentric.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Bot6U3.0.sb6.6o0ou"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12739 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Larry Tremblay wrote: > That's why "Music is frozen architecture" is one of my favorite > musical quotes. Who said that? You or are you quoting somebody? -- * D a v i d B e a r d s l e y * xouoxno@virtulink.com * * 49/32 R a d i o "all microtonal, all the time" * M E L A v i r t u a l d r e a m house monitor * * http://www.virtulink.com/immp/lookhere.htm From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Mar 9 16:19:14 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA04686; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 16:19:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 16:19:14 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <002401bf8a0b$f22ad570$1e310140@concentric.net> From: "Larry Tremblay" To: , References: Subject: Re: Interesting... Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 16:10:39 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"uQdhA2.0.hO.dA1ou"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12741 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mike - There's no "contrast" or contradiction involved here. I posted the Rudyar statements (who *is* a pathetic mystic), to demonstrate that I know where you're coming from subjectively, but that the psuedo-science that props it up is patently far-fetched, and yet instructive through its use of analogy. If one is wont to throw a wider net, fewer fish are caught. So why all the enmity? Ideas are not Sacred Cows. I thought we were having an interesting, if somewhat challenging, discussion. Geez...it's getting harder everyday to be a rational, inquisitive person in an (unwittingly or malevelolently?) irrational milieu. (Maybe this is what it felt like before the the Dark Ages engulfed the West???) No offense Mike, I was not attacking *you*. - Larry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Biffle" To: ; Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2000 2:55 PM Subject: Re: Interesting... > >>["Jack-hammer time" is] also at the root of the rhythmic, cyclic > music of shamanistic ceremonies and similar rituals which send > listeners and purveyers into hypnotic states, where time seems to > disappear. > > > Alex Stahl... > > After all of the recent posts encouraging intellectual honesty, > what are your sources for your statement that entrainment is at the > root of timeless music? > > Thanks so much for this Alex... It was all I could do not to jump in > and mention the "contrast" of this from Larry's previous statements! > > Even more bewildering stance switching (from another post) from Larry > below, just for laughs! 8-) Ya know Larry... I find this kind of stuff > fine by me, but wonder why previous stuff like this seemed so > offensive to you and incited such strong assertions that it smacked of > psuedo-scientific balderdash!? > > Yours truly, > -Miko > > > As Dane Rudyar said: > > "The sound of music is a revelation of the realm of psychism; and > the level of intensity and expression of music is the dynamic > reflection of the level of the psychism of especially > sensitive and open human beings. Music is a psychic communication." > > > In the same vein, related to the New Scienist article, Donald Hatch > Andrews states - "the universe is more like music than matter" - in > that "the universe is a whole constituted by an incredibly complex web > of communication that relates everything to everything else". > > > I think this 'psychic communication' is manifested in the > subjective response we have to harmony, tone and vibration. Just as > one can wonder and marvel at the skill and aesthetic genius > demonstrated by the buildings of say, Frank Lloyd Wright, one > immediately senses > the qualities in a piece of music. > > > That's why "Music is frozen architecture" is one of my favorite > musical quotes. > > > - Larry (not intending to belittle anyone, especially tastes in > architecture). :) > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Mar 9 16:04:39 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA00436; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 16:04:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 16:04:39 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <001801bf8a09$5ae180d0$1e310140@concentric.net> From: "Larry Tremblay" To: References: Subject: Re: Interesting... Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 15:52:15 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"dXoCt3.0.e-6.du0ou"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12740 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > ltct@concentric.net typed: > > >["Jack-hammer time" is] also at the root of the rhythmic, cyclic music of > >shamanistic ceremonies and similar rituals which send > >listeners and purveyers into hypnotic states, where time > >seems to disappear. > > After all of the recent posts encouraging intellectual honesty, what are > your sources for your statement that entrainment is at the root of timeless > music? Hi Alex, good point. Perhaps I should have said "may be at the root" instead. Anyway, the "jackhammer effect" is a very well-understood phenomenon in the psychology, psychiatric and neuropharmacology fields. Richard Mailman, professor of psychiatry and pharmacology at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill cites the "jackhammer effect" in a recent article in preparation for a book about the relationship of the neurotransmitter dopamine to emotion and cognition, which is certainly tied up with "the perception of time", don't you think?. > The time perception literature I've read lately is a bit more humble, > suggesting > that we don't really know the psychological or neurological reasons behind > widely reported variations in subjective duration experience. A number of > experiments have demonstrated, using "the validity of the senses", that > these changes do indeed occur, and I suspect that most people on this list > have first-hand experience from looping. But anecdotal first-hand > experience is not proof, and stating it as such is getting awfully close to > "pseudo-science drivel". Furthermore, I believe there is rational evidence > in vision studies that perception and feelings overlap in a neurological > loop. True, there's no definitive "proof" per se, only shades of understanding, given the complexity of the subject under study - the human brain. ;) > I'm more curious than contrary, asking from my long-term interest in > musical time perception. But I have to disagree with your earlier statement > that pseudo-science drivel is pointless. Sometimes it is an annoyingly > valid attempt at finding a language for ideas which cannot be expressed > with pure mathematics or with pure poetry. Sometimes it is e-snakeoil > marketing instead. Which is this? I have no problem with drawing analogies, or "finding a language for ideas" as you put it, but "psuedo-science snakeoil crosses the line when it parades itself out as truth, or factual. Scientists use analogies all the time. - Larry (not being contrary, just discussing) > > >> Anyone experience this? In looping too. Sometimes you stop thinking > >> and just interact with the loop and a piece just sort of generates > >> itself. > > > >Happens to me every once in a while, more often when looping. Time > >seems to compress (psychologically it does). I think it has something > >to do with the way the involuntary bodily functions (breathing, > >heartbeat, etc) and the mind (synaptic firing sequences and brain > >activity) become entrained by its environment after prolonged > >exposure. It's similar to the "jack-hammer effect" in psychology > >jargon. > > > >For example, if someone beside you starts up a jackhammer, initially it's > >quite startling, but after a few moments you filter out the startling > >elements and the body adjusts. After a few more moments > >your whole body synchronizes itself to "jack-hammer time". > > > >It's also at the root of the rhythmic, cyclic music of > >shamanistic ceremonies and similar rituals which send > >listeners and purveyers into hypnotic states, where time > >seems to disappear. > > > >The same phenomenon can be induced through drones, intoning > >and chanting. How do you think Monks deal with all those years > >cooped up in those Monasteries? "Hey, let chant. Let's get 'high'. > > > >Interesting stuff. > > > >- Larry > > > > > >> Interesting discussions regarding music, cosmology, religion, and > >> music being a cell, a microcosm of the macrocosm. > >> > >> All I know is that in various musica situations time has seemed to > >> stand still and it feels like you're flying in a dream or something. > >> > >> I've read that Fripp says once you experience that, you'll do almost > >> anything to get back to that. > >> > >> I can see why. You can't plan it or force it to happen, it just does. > >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Mar 9 16:39:42 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA10585; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 16:39:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 16:39:42 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <036c01bf8a0d$e84335f0$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: Subject: Re: Interesting... Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 16:24:51 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"9qIAT3.0.lu1.lU1ou"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12742 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >That's why "Music is frozen architecture" is one of my favorite >musical quotes. 'splains all that good music in Minneapolis! Dennis Leas (enjoying the conversation, but trying to keep things light) ----------------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Mar 9 17:02:00 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA16227; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 17:02:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 17:02:00 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38C81BDB.FAD949F@quik.com> Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 13:47:07 -0800 From: "Rev. Doubt-Goat" Reply-To: dgoat@sekhetmaat.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Interesting... References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"VAwIw2.0._X3.Kt1ou"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12745 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com 93 Todd Madson wrote: > > Interesting discussions regarding music, cosmology, religion, and > music being a cell, a microcosm of the macrocosm. > > All I know is that in various musica situations time has seemed to > stand still and it feels like you're flying in a dream or something. > > I've read that Fripp says once you experience that, you'll do almost > anything to get back to that. > > I can see why. You can't plan it or force it to happen, it just does. > > Anyone experience this? In looping too. Sometimes you stop thinking > and just interact with the loop and a piece just sort of generates > itself. Yup, both with and without drugs ;-) And you *can* plan and force it, it just takes time and dedication. This is called magick or mysticism, and there are many, many systems that train how to do it: Zen, Taoist Internal Alchemy, various forms of Yoga, Tai Chi, the Sacred Magic of Abramelin the Sage, etc. 93 Rev. Doubt-Goat From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Mar 9 16:39:17 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA10547; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 16:39:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 16:39:17 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <001501bf8a0f$48429990$1e310140@concentric.net> From: "Larry Tremblay" To: References: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C41302CB@migarexch01.maritz.com> Subject: Re: Interesting... Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 16:34:37 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"MlugJ3.0.Oy1.PW1ou"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12743 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com LOL. Yep, sure does. That was the point. I'm not *totally* insulated from the irony of my own statements, you know. I've read the "Tao of Physics". Neils Bohr's family coat of arms contains the Yin/Yang symbol. The irony wasn't lost on him either. BTW, note that Andrews (a scientist) says "the universe is more *like* music than matter". He did not say that the universe is more likely music than matter. Now that would be mumbo-jumbo. :) - Larry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2000 3:11 PM Subject: RE: Interesting... > > In the same vein, related to the New Scienist article, Donald Hatch > Andrews states - "the universe is more like music than matter" - > in that "the universe is a whole constituted by an incredibly complex > web of communication that relates everything to everything else". > > ** almost sounds like pseudo-scientific mombo-jumbo a la buddhism or > hinduism . . . > > stig > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Mar 9 17:21:52 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA21984; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 17:21:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 17:21:52 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <001f01bf8a15$17915510$1e310140@concentric.net> From: "Larry Tremblay" To: References: <005b01bf8a00$92434b20$1e310140@concentric.net> <38C80C8E.E5DA18B3@virtulink.com> Subject: Re: Interesting... Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 17:15:36 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"5Mp_J1.0.ag4.N72ou"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12747 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I *wish* I said it. I forget where I picked it up from. Long time ago... - Larry ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Beardsley" To: Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2000 3:41 PM Subject: Re: Interesting... > Larry Tremblay wrote: > > > That's why "Music is frozen architecture" is one of my favorite > > musical quotes. > > Who said that? You or are you quoting somebody? > > > -- > * D a v i d B e a r d s l e y > * xouoxno@virtulink.com > * > * 49/32 R a d i o "all microtonal, all the time" > * M E L A v i r t u a l d r e a m house monitor > * > * http://www.virtulink.com/immp/lookhere.htm > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Mar 9 17:20:52 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA21876; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 17:20:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 17:20:52 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 17:12:37 EST Subject: UK Plex (not yet) price To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 32 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by rosy.yourwebhost.com id RAA19216 Resent-Message-ID: <"FcMx01.0.Wi4.w72ou"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12748 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Currently Trace Elliot are sorting out CE certification for the digital echoplex. they say Ł550-800. The final price will (I gather) reflect any mods that have to be done to get this certification. (so maybe someone amongst us would be able to make an informed guess) book early Andy Butler Lexicon Vortex Database http://members.aol.com/soundfnr/vortex.htm From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Mar 9 17:01:01 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA16094; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 17:01:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 17:01:01 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38C819CA.9AD50BD1@quik.com> Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 13:38:18 -0800 From: "Rev. Doubt-Goat" Reply-To: dgoat@sekhetmaat.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Discuss Amongst Yourselves.... References: <008f01bf897e$54706580$7c310140@concentric.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Lj3PR1.0.aX3.Ht1ou"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12744 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com 93 Larry Tremblay wrote: > I was making a case against mystical, > unfounded, beliefs about music which are based on little more > than "feelings". For example, just because I "feel" that the > world is round, it does not make it true. Feeling are no > substitute for the validity of the senses. Not going to get into the philosophical inaccuracies here, but I would simply like to state that many musicians find a meaningful connection between music (making and listening) and various forms of mysticism. Why, our two main looper gods (Fripp and Torn) both use mystical/philosophical terminology to express what they do, in addition to the actual tones they produce. 93 Rev. Doubt-Goat From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Mar 9 17:24:35 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA22264; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 17:24:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 17:24:35 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <007d01bf8a16$135340c0$f4974e0c@u73x0> From: "James Pokorny" To: Subject: Re: Interesting... Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 17:23:19 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"c-MGv3.0.D35.tC2ou"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12749 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >> That's why "Music is frozen architecture" is one of my favorite >> musical quotes. > >Who said that? You or are you quoting somebody? I believe the quote is attributed to Goethe, but I always had some problems with the idea, such as what happens when it defrosts?, what is "liquid" architecture?, etc. ;-) James Pokorny From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Mar 9 17:42:49 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA27487; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 17:42:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 17:42:49 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <001101bf8a16$c2fb35a0$1e310140@concentric.net> From: "Larry Tremblay" To: References: <005b01bf8a00$92434b20$1e310140@concentric.net> <38C80C8E.E5DA18B3@virtulink.com> Subject: Re: Interesting...frozen architecture Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 17:28:13 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"YnxCM1.0.FS5.bI2ou"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12750 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com David - Just remembered. It was Goethe who said, "Music is frozen architecture." Regards, - Larry ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Beardsley" To: Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2000 3:41 PM Subject: Re: Interesting... > Larry Tremblay wrote: > > > That's why "Music is frozen architecture" is one of my favorite > > musical quotes. > > Who said that? You or are you quoting somebody? > > > -- > * D a v i d B e a r d s l e y > * xouoxno@virtulink.com > * > * 49/32 R a d i o "all microtonal, all the time" > * M E L A v i r t u a l d r e a m house monitor > * > * http://www.virtulink.com/immp/lookhere.htm > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Mar 9 17:15:59 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA20427; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 17:15:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 17:15:59 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <004401bf8a14$cf8a7580$f4974e0c@u73x0> From: "James Pokorny" To: Subject: Re: gentlemen, you can't fight in here, this is the war room Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 17:13:44 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"CCXDl2.0.KP4.O42ou"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12746 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >[Michael:] >> i like that word "specious" > >Definitely worth adding to "spurious" and "archival" in the lexicon of >"words to use in e-mails" ! Let's not forget the ever popular "apocryphal" ;-) (also liked the Dr. Strangelove reference!) James Pokorny From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Mar 9 18:04:04 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA00547; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 18:04:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 18:04:04 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C41302D3@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Interesting... Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 17:56:33 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.10) Resent-Message-ID: <"ggybw3.0.Mi7.1o2ou"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12751 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com LOL. Yep, sure does. That was the point. I'm not *totally* insulated from the irony of my own statements, you know. ** okay. i guess the problem is that you come off that way . . . while possibly not allowing others that latitude. BTW, note that Andrews (a scientist) says "the universe is more *like* music than matter". He did not say that the universe is more likely music than matter. Now that would be mumbo-jumbo. :) ** i think that the sentiment that i picked up on stands True, there's no definitive "proof" per se, only shades of understanding, given the complexity of the subject under study - the human brain. ;) ** or the universe? i think that it may be easier to understand the human brain that it is the universe around us . . . by the way, have you noticed how string theory seems to be approaching some of the mystical traditions? i also seem to recall that many physicists have been ardently religious . . . (not that i am, mind you) stig From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Mar 9 18:51:08 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA12379; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 18:51:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 18:51:08 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <009801bf8a1e$bd987340$27cf08cf@STVINC.COM> From: "Don Pancoe" To: References: <007d01bf8a16$135340c0$f4974e0c@u73x0> Subject: Re: Interesting... Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 18:25:20 -0500 Organization: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Resent-Message-ID: <"0de8w.0.WR1.5D3ou"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12752 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Larry Tremblay wrote: > That's why "Music is frozen architecture" is one of my favorite > musical quotes. James Pokorny wrote > I believe the quote is attributed to Goethe, but I always had some problems > with the idea, such as what happens when it defrosts?, what is "liquid" > architecture?, etc. ;-) Maybe I'm missing something here, but shouldn't the quote be: "Architecture is like frozen music"? Not only does this make more sense to me - stating that an architect draws from the same source as the musician, but in a more concrete (no pun intended) and less dynamic form - but I'm fairly certain that I've heard it this way before. I thought the purpose of the quote was to raise architecture to the already highly-esteemed level of music. Could just be me though, to each his own and all that, -- Mango -- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Mar 9 19:04:04 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA15450; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 19:04:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 19:04:04 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 15:57:50 -0800 From: "Mike Biffle" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, pancoe@netaxs.com Subject: Re: Interesting... Resent-Message-ID: <"Y7obO3.0.PR3.Xg3ou"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12753 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > Maybe I'm missing something here, but shouldn't the quote be: "Architecture is like frozen music"? I think I'm gonna change it to "Our conjecture deposes those who are clueless..." I think Wagner wrote that one... -m From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Mar 9 19:57:27 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA28493; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 19:57:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 19:57:27 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000310002653.13669.qmail@web110.yahoomail.com> Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 16:26:53 -0800 (PST) From: Bret Subject: Re: Interesting mis-quote To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"rq_OH1.0.nA5.G54ou"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12754 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Larry, It is unfortunate that as you fight for truth and rationalism that you can't remember one of your "favorite musical quotes' worth a damn, and clearly don't get the meaning of the actual quote. According to emerson in http://www.jjnet.com/emerson/discipline.html and in http://www.rain.org/~elw/emerson/nature.txt or http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Parthenon/5658/nature.html 'architecture is called "frozen music," by De Stael and Goethe' and in http://www.walden.org/emerson/concordance/ARBITERS-ARMY.HTM 'Madame de Stael's Architecture is frozen music is borrowed from Goethe's dumb music, which is Vitruvius's rule, that the architect must not only understand drawing, but music.' bret > > Larry Tremblay wrote: > > > > > That's why "Music is frozen architecture" is one > of my favorite > > > musical quotes. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Mar 9 20:13:16 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA32669; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 20:13:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 20:13:16 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <002001bf8a2d$50419560$1e310140@concentric.net> From: "Larry Tremblay" To: References: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C41302D3@migarexch01.maritz.com> Subject: Re: Interesting... Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 20:09:39 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"VZExZ1.0.tc7.wf4ou"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12755 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > > LOL. Yep, sure does. That was the point. I'm not *totally* > insulated from the irony of my own statements, you know. > > > ** okay. i guess the problem is that you come off that way . . . while > possibly not allowing others that latitude. I'm lightening up a bit. The slack it out. > True, there's no definitive "proof" per se, only shades of understanding, > given the complexity of the subject under study - the human brain. ;) > > ** or the universe? i think that it may be easier to understand the human > brain that it is the universe around us . . . Hard to say really. The brain is a 3-pound universe all its own. At least the universe is 'out there' for us to study, whereas the study of the brain is a seriously recursive [like looping] and unimaginably complex endeavor. Not uncrackable, but difficult, to say the least. > by the way, have you noticed how string theory seems to be approaching some > of the mystical traditions? i also seem to recall that many physicists have > been ardently religious . . . (not that i am, mind you) Yes, I've read and studied most of the literature on the subject of Super-string theory (or so-called 'theory of everything'), and it appears to approximate (at times) the mystical speculations of a 'hidden reality' or 'other planes of existence'-type stuff. The jury is most definitely out on that one. The magnitude of the gulf between matter at the sub-atomic particle level versus what we experience our own macro-atomic (i.e., molecular) level is vast indeed. It's almost like two different worlds - and for all practical purposes, they are. As I understand it, quantum events have no "real" effect at the macro level due to the strong forces of the molecules that make up our bodies and the 'hard matter' world around us. Otherwise, things would be flying apart all over the place. (Given there was a place to begin with.) True, *some* scientists are religious, but most are either agnostic or devote atheists like Carl Sagan and Einstein (despite his protests about not believing that "God plays dice", in regards to Quantum Mechanics). The great thing about science versus religion is that the future is always open, and that all theories must continually hold up under intense scrutinity. On the otherhand, religion is a closed book, it's dogma rarely (if ever) open to questioning and revision. - Larry From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Mar 9 20:39:37 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA06838; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 20:39:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 20:39:37 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000310013128.40345.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [212.185.252.5] From: "amos elmaliah" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: mpx1 vs. mpx 500 Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 17:31:28 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"Vc0IM1.0.PI1.H25ou"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12756 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com mpx1 vs. mpx 500 !! tom,pedro,loopers, in order to have better understanding before spending 700$, i have couple of subject i would very much appreciate contribution knowledge and experiece. in order to compare the 1 to the 500; the routing possibilities - i've heard about problems with the mpx 1's pitch shifting taking to much place in the well crafted 1's dual processors and memory. does that mean nessesarily that the routing in the 1 is bad when i use -the pitch or any orther effects? -how many effect can i go through? -are there any other effects taking to much place? -does the rotary and tremolo realy sound good or just do their job without the preciuose warmth (i checked it in the store i couldn't realy test it and compare) ? what's the looper's setting in the 500? can i loop on the 500 and have my guitar playing through? am0as ;9)- ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Mar 9 20:38:56 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA06773; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 20:38:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 20:38:56 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000310013342.54925.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [212.185.252.1] From: "amos elmaliah" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: dl4 = midi Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 17:33:42 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"DNvN73.0.kL1.M45ou"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12757 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com loopers ! i don't know if anyone did or not talked about the idea of modifying the dl4, but it sure sounds like a danm good idea. two main reasones: just before reading that please forgive me for my poor level and knoowledge in electronics...(i am doing my best thugh to keep up with it) 1. the fact that the unit has so many tweekning and tweazing possibilites and also 3 presets and a tap makes a bit of a conflict... assuming the optimal situation in which you can take the maximum advantage of the unit's flexabiliety ; a. the units on the flore it seems like the 1 expression pedal output is limiting,so you can't make small adjustment while playing but us the pedal like you use the wah b. or it's on a table so in order to tweek,you must stop stop playing. 2.midi clock both in loop and delay mode basicly we're just talking about converting swiches and potentiometers to midi,shouldnt be so hard ... for the quality of the delay and other effects it may be interesting to go even further and assign different alogarithem to control velocities and other characters normaly being tweeked. i think about a kind of seperated midi agent device that converts midi clock to on\off and alogarithems\signals to level (potentiometers) controls all these units. anyways, since midi technology is so accesible these days, it seems logical that there sould be some way to enable musican to convert their old analog devices to be controled vie digital interface. we're at the age of midi control. actualy its not a bad idea to start a kind of a business... like maybe do it yourself... -why wait for futher upgrades in the program if you can modify it by yourself? -why buy the modulation modeler if you can convert your analog devices to be controled via midi? -whats wrong in connecting analog technology with the opertunities of digital accurat control? looper, feel free to enrich use with your well appriciated knowlede, experience and ideas. am0as ;9)- ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Mar 9 21:34:44 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA20956; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 21:34:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 21:34:44 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20000310013342.54925.qmail@hotmail.com> Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 18:30:12 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Chris Chovit Subject: Re: dl4 = midi -- > t.c. D2 Resent-Message-ID: <"M1vWI1.0.ol4.js5ou"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12759 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com speaking of delays w/ MIDI implementation, anyone used the TC. Electronic D-Two? Did I miss any posted reviews? - Chris >loopers ! > >i don't know if anyone did or not talked about the idea of modifying >the dl4, but it sure sounds like a danm good idea. >two main reasones: > >just before reading that please forgive me for my poor level and >knoowledge in electronics...(i am doing my best thugh to keep up with >it) > >1. >the fact that the unit has so many tweekning and tweazing >possibilites and also 3 presets and a tap makes a bit of a conflict... >assuming the optimal situation in which you can take the maximum >advantage of the unit's flexabiliety ; > >a. the units on the flore >it seems like the 1 expression pedal output is limiting,so you can't >make small adjustment while playing but us the pedal like you use the >wah >b. or it's on a table so in order to tweek,you must stop stop playing. > >2.midi clock both in loop and delay mode > >basicly we're just talking about converting swiches and potentiometers >to midi,shouldnt be so hard ... > >for the quality of the delay and other effects it may be interesting >to go even further and assign different alogarithem to control >velocities and other characters normaly being tweeked. > >i think about a kind of seperated midi agent device that converts >midi clock to on\off and alogarithems\signals to level (potentiometers) >controls all these units. >anyways, since midi technology is so accesible these days, >it seems logical that there sould be some way to enable musican to >convert their old analog devices to be controled vie digital interface. >we're at the age of midi control. >actualy its not a bad idea to start a kind of a business... >like maybe do it yourself... > >-why wait for futher upgrades in the program if you can modify it >by yourself? >-why buy the modulation modeler if you can convert your analog devices >to be controled via midi? >-whats wrong in connecting analog technology with the opertunities of >digital accurat control? > >looper, feel free to enrich use with your well appriciated knowlede, >experience and ideas. > >am0as ;9)- > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Mar 9 21:30:07 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA19698; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 21:30:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 21:30:07 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Phaedebk@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 21:25:57 EST Subject: Re: Interesting... To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 33 Resent-Message-ID: <"0766E.0.4V4.0r5ou"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12758 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Crash-man, Yes, I can definitely feel the loop on this one! :) Just a slight loop to (in this case) read, edit, cut, snip, paste, and/or delete.... Where did the loop begin, again? On more of the topic of using loopers in music, and having a loop literally form itself from the odd noises which came into the mix. Seems to happen frequently, though I've found that by lowering the level on the back of the Boomerang it seems to quiet a few of these down a bit. Still there are times where the mistakes actually sound a bit better than the original intention/idea. Back to the email... Lee-ohki. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Mar 9 21:51:48 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA25182; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 21:51:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 21:51:48 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Scott Barton To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Scott Barton MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Zkey 3.0 Webmail based on (IMP/PHP3 Imap webMail Program 2.0.9) Sender: docatlas@zkey.com Subject: Re: Wave file basics Message-Id: <20000310024757.8C8FE1835F@web3.zkey.com> Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 18:47:57 -0800 (PST) Resent-Message-ID: <"igg_81.0.kr5.W96ou"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12760 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Quoting Nick.Key@solent.ac.uk: > Hi > > Im just starting to use stuff like SFacid and SF Audio express, Vaz. > > Im looking for some decent resources that explain about frequency, > oscillation and all, so I can start making my own sounds. > > Can anyone help please? There are lots of freeware and shareware sound generation programs available on the net. Two that I have found very useful are Buzz () and Tuareg (). I use the sounds and riffs I create as wave files in ACID. I also use a synth plugged into the line in on my soundcard, edit the recorded sounds in Sound Forge XP so they loop properly, and use them too. It isn't really neccessary to understand the real technical terms to create music with ACID, but a search on 'Csound' should help if you want to go that route. Also check out for resources. ------------------------------------------------- Created by Zkey.com - http://www.zkey.com Awarded PCMagazine's Editors' Choice From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Mar 9 22:26:19 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA02783; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 22:26:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 22:26:19 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 22:21:51 EST Subject: Re: Interesting... To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 61 Resent-Message-ID: <"J7V0c.0.3O.sf6ou"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12761 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 3/9/00 4:09:03 PM Mid-Atlantic Standard Time, kungha@earthlink.net writes: << Monks,for the most part,do not"deal"w/being cooped up in monasteries.They choose to be there. >> i love monasteries............always great big rooms with lots of delay but quite often, not enough plugs...........michael From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Mar 9 22:57:49 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA10627; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 22:57:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 22:57:49 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 22:52:35 EST Subject: Re: Interesting... To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 61 Resent-Message-ID: <"Ocj3l1.0.UH2.b67ou"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12763 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 3/9/00 8:24:45 PM Mid-Atlantic Standard Time, j.pokorny@worldnet.att.net writes: << "Music is frozen architecture" >> i would think that "architecture is frozen music".........but thats just me...........michael From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Mar 9 23:02:52 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA12170; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 23:02:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 23:02:52 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <001901bf8a43$303fe940$1f310140@concentric.net> From: "Larry Tremblay" To: References: <20000310002653.13669.qmail@web110.yahoomail.com> Subject: Re: Interesting mis-quote Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 22:46:14 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"sY8Vp.0.Lf1.iy6ou"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12762 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Bretty - Obviously in my haste, I typed the quote backwards. I could have fired up my favorite search engine too. How lame... Did you actually read and understand it? Are you as big an asshole as you sound? For those who care, the following reference to 'frozen music' is from Emerson's Essay "Discipline" (sound familiar Fripp fans?) Which, by the way, I originally read *over twenty years ago*. So sue me. I stand by my original understanding of it (which Bretty obviously missed): "A leaf, a drop, a crystal, a moment of time is related to the whole, and partakes of the perfection of the whole. Each particle is a microcosm, and faithfully renders the likeness of the world." "Not only resemblances exist in things whose analogy is obvious, as when we detect the type of the human hand in the flipper of the fossil saurus, but also in objects wherein there is great superficial unlikeness. Thus architecture is called "frozen music," by De Stael and Goethe." -Larry T ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bret" To: Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2000 7:26 PM Subject: Re: Interesting mis-quote > Larry, > It is unfortunate that as you fight for truth and > rationalism that you can't remember one of your > "favorite musical quotes' worth a damn, and clearly > don't get the meaning of the actual quote. > > According to emerson in > http://www.jjnet.com/emerson/discipline.html > and in > http://www.rain.org/~elw/emerson/nature.txt > or > http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Parthenon/5658/nature.html > > 'architecture is called "frozen music," by De Stael > and Goethe' > > and in > http://www.walden.org/emerson/concordance/ARBITERS-ARMY.HTM > > 'Madame de Stael's Architecture is frozen music is > borrowed from Goethe's dumb music, which is > Vitruvius's rule, that the architect must not only > understand drawing, but music.' > bret > > > > Larry Tremblay wrote: > > > > > > > That's why "Music is frozen architecture" is one > > of my favorite > > > > musical quotes. > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Mar 9 23:14:19 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA15055; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 23:14:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 23:14:19 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000309231210.007c2300@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 23:12:10 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Interesting... In-Reply-To: <003201bf89e7$c4cbbb40$16310140@concentric.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"dJ9jr.0.lO3.WN7ou"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12764 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Yep, it's happened to me, too. It's very similar to the higher states of meditation: as soon as you become aware of the sensation it disapears ! Tim At 11:51 AM 3/9/00 -0500, you wrote: >> Anyone experience this? In looping too. Sometimes you stop thinking >> and just interact with the loop and a piece just sort of generates >> itself. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Mar 9 23:55:43 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA25578; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 23:55:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 23:55:43 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.20000310045026.00670a54@pop.pipeline.com> X-Sender: lerocher@pop.pipeline.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 23:50:26 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Christine Bard Subject: Re: re: Interesting... Resent-Message-ID: <"OI41N2.0.yx5.Hz7ou"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12765 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 13:47:07 -0800 >Subject: Re: Interesting...> >Todd Madson wrote: > >> All I know is that in various musica situations time has seemed to >> stand still and it feels like you're flying in a dream or something. >> >> I've read that Fripp says once you experience that, you'll do almost >> anything to get back to that. >> ----snip---- >> >> Anyone experience this? ---- > > > > >Yup, both with and without drugs ;-) And you *can* plan and force it, it >just takes time and dedication. This is called magick or mysticism, and >there are many, many systems that train how to do it: Zen, Taoist >Internal Alchemy, various forms of Yoga, Tai Chi, the Sacred Magic of >Abramelin the Sage, etc. > I lost my first version of this reply, trying to read back on old entries, in case I was covering old trodden ground, then deleted w/ no save. But I still wanted to tell about my experience playing "Castor and Pollux" on the original Harry Partch instruments. --Mostly because, inspired by the above response, I'd like to add that I think it is the job of the composer to make the music reach the state that is referred to here. (It's not a job that is often fulfilled, but the attempt should be made in earnest.) While rehearsing Harry Partch's piece, I exprienced the feeling of having my head "blown off". The beheading happened so consistently that it was astounding. It was the combination of the repeated rhythms evolving and revolving with the very carefully chosen microtones. The development in the piece created profound dimension in the sound and created a gravity-free zone in the room. (plus, the conscious mind was kept so busy being fooled by accepting/tuning out the repeated rhythms :the jackhammer effect: and perceiving/staring unbelievingly at the weird ..almost recognizable.. pitches put in expected/unexpected order- - (approx.)three strings for each pitch going up up up -Down- Down- up up up up etc in one fluid stroke (the Kithara and Surrogate Kithara, and as one musical gesture on the diamond marimba) so Space and Time were indeed an altered perception since the conscious mind was directed right past what the music was actually doing. It would have to continually backtrack if it wanted to do its analytical thing. By then the music had moved on and there goes the old "timekeeper and yardstick reader", running the wrong way. Instead, it just sort of does a slow backstroke. Meanwhile the rest of the mind and body are totally getting it, startled and wooed by the pounding ostinato-type rhythms, grooving in the ecstatic way to the phat beats made on these huge and tiny pieces of wood tuned to "other-dimensional" pitches (poli-topal pitches? borrowing from geometry...) The pitches are minute enough and the rhythms agreeable enough that there is a constant slight of hand done on the conscious mind. Like the pitches take a quick turn just before the conscious mind can lable them... (What was that T.S. Eliot quote about the qualities of a great poem...? That a great piece of art must act as a theif in the night, feeding the watchdog first (the consious mind) before entering the house to grab the jewels within.) Anyway, its dazzling and you feel like your neck is a plate of oil, your head floating on it, effortless and expanded. Its as though all the resistance is removed in the air and from then on, its pure conduction. I call it a "spark gap". Meditation instructors refer to the "spark" when people encounter an enlightened being --groundlessness? (undoubtedly others would know more, so I tread lightly here.) I think its a similar phenomenon, microrhythms, frequencies, etc. Surely the ancient rhythms relate to our dna. I've spoken to health professionals who routinely use ancient rhythms to pinpoint neurological stimuli that release endorphins in their patients. And it is known, through bloodtests before and after the experience, that endorphins are released through meditation, similar to the experience of long-distance running. Playing music that can "go in" past the conscious mind must be like that. No wonder it feels so homey and great, its taking a shower in our own dna. Christine Bard 0~>~<>~><~<>~<~0 Whoever controls the media - the images - controls the culture. - Allen Ginsberg, 1926-1997 From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Mar 10 00:19:07 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA01770; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 00:19:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 00:19:07 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000310050914.28486.qmail@web115.yahoomail.com> Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 21:09:14 -0800 (PST) From: Bret Subject: wrapped around the axle To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"drNMo1.0.D87.1E8ou"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12768 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Ok Larry, You mistakenly typed a phrase, and I read it. As I read your words, I imagined that the words that you typed were literal words conveying your belief of truth. I merely took your words at face value as did many others who responded to this misquote. I will avoid that in the future, and avoid responding to your posts since seem to be disturbed by my correction. Oh, you mispelled my name too ;-( bret --- Larry Tremblay wrote: > Bretty - > Obviously in my haste, I typed the quote backwards. > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Mar 10 00:26:29 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA05818; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 00:26:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 00:26:29 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <019601bf8a4d$b11f5a00$30ffdcd1@hideo> From: "hideo" To: References: <20000310002653.13669.qmail@web110.yahoomail.com> <001901bf8a43$303fe940$1f310140@concentric.net> Subject: Re: Interesting mis-quote Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 23:01:26 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <"_T-G01.0.5g6.z88ou"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12767 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Larry Tremblay To: Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2000 9:46 PM Subject: Re: Interesting mis-quote > Bretty - > Obviously in my haste, I typed the quote backwards. > > I could have fired up my favorite search engine > too. How lame... Did you actually read and understand > it? Are you as big an asshole as you sound? > doggone . . . right after I used the word "erudition" I have to see this . . . :( oh well, at least he hasn't pissed off the Analogue Heaven newsgroup this week :) drone on~~~~~~~~~~~~ Tom Lambrecht From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Mar 10 00:19:29 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA01924; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 00:19:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 00:19:29 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38C88454.DF75A4D@pop.agri.ch> Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 06:12:52 +0100 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Jes=FAs=20Turi=F1o?= Reply-To: j-turino@pop.agri.ch Organization: i45 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [de] (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: de,es MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Scott Barton , "Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Subject: Re: Wave file basics References: <20000310024757.8C8FE1835F@web3.zkey.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"2Y2g52.0.Qj7.SJ8ou"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12769 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com is there a mac-version of the tuareg or the buzz? thanks, jesus Scott Barton schrieb: > Quoting Nick.Key@solent.ac.uk: > > > Hi > > > > Im just starting to use stuff like SFacid and SF Audio express, Vaz. > > > > Im looking for some decent resources that explain about frequency, > > oscillation and all, so I can start making my own sounds. > > > > Can anyone help please? > > There are lots of freeware and shareware sound generation programs > available on the net. Two that I have found very useful are Buzz > () and Tuareg > (). I use the sounds and riffs > I create as wave files in ACID. I also use a synth plugged into the > line in on my soundcard, edit the recorded sounds in Sound Forge XP > so they loop properly, and use them too. > > It isn't really neccessary to understand the real technical terms to > create music with ACID, but a search on 'Csound' should help if you > want to go that route. Also check out > for resources. > ------------------------------------------------- > Created by Zkey.com - http://www.zkey.com > Awarded PCMagazine's Editors' Choice From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Mar 10 00:59:07 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA19485; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 00:59:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 00:59:07 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <015301bf8a4c$4273dbe0$30ffdcd1@hideo> From: "hideo" To: References: <38C81BDB.FAD949F@quik.com> Subject: Re: Interesting... Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 22:51:10 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <"D1avE1.0.q-5.M_7ou"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12766 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Rev. Doubt-Goat To: Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2000 3:47 PM Subject: Re: Interesting... > 93 > > Todd Madson wrote: > > > > All I know is that in various musica situations time has seemed to > > stand still and it feels like you're flying in a dream or something. > > > > I've read that Fripp says once you experience that, you'll do almost > > anything to get back to that. > > > > I can see why. You can't plan it or force it to happen, it just does. > > > > Anyone experience this? In looping too. Sometimes you stop thinking > > and just interact with the loop and a piece just sort of generates > > itself. > > Yup, both with and without drugs ;-) And you *can* plan and force it, it > just takes time and dedication. This is called magick or mysticism, and > there are many, many systems that train how to do it: Zen, Taoist > Internal Alchemy, various forms of Yoga, Tai Chi, the Sacred Magic of > Abramelin the Sage, etc. > > 93 > Rev. Doubt-Goat > > and the millenium sound-byte term is I believe, "flow" . . . and of course your neurobiologists would argue that drugs are involved-they're just not coming from Lilly or Merck, but from in-house one of the BIG problems with e-mail is that erudition often comes across as preachiness or just plain ole smart-assed curmudgeonliness-- I'm deeply impressed with ALL of your contributions to this thread cuz' I thought I was a smart guy ;) and most of you can PLAY your instruments . . . drone on~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Tom Lmabrecht From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Mar 10 00:58:53 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA19360; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 00:58:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 00:58:53 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Kriist@aol.com Message-ID: <45.1853a80.25f9e805@aol.com> Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 00:54:13 EST Subject: Really, really small strings To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 61 Resent-Message-ID: <"d_ZZU3.0.jI4.gu8ou"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12770 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com does anybody know a company that makes .006 or smaller guitar strings? thanks rodrigo loop content, well, theres loops around the ball on the end of string, hell, i dont know hwere else to ask(ive emailed all the big companies asking them) From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Mar 10 01:53:23 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA05601; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 01:53:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 01:53:23 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: KRosser414@aol.com Message-ID: <36.3175819.25f9f4dc@aol.com> Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 01:49:00 EST Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V00 #73 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 61 Resent-Message-ID: <"lkChg3.0.3B1.2i9ou"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12772 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 3/9/00 9:18:56 PM Pacific Standard Time, Loopers-Delight-d-request@annihilist.com writes: << > I was making a case against mystical, > unfounded, beliefs about music which are based on little more > than "feelings". For example, just because I "feel" that the > world is round, it does not make it true. Feeling are no > substitute for the validity of the senses. >> OK, I've stayed out of this one so far, but I have to admit here you're finally got me wondering why a presumably healthy, well-rounded adult mind has to accept that the rational (intellect) and the irrational (these 'unfounded beliefs' and 'feelings') are by necessity mutually exclusive. I mean really, shouldn't we have a pretty good handle on dealing with each at the appropriate time? Besides, since when does a "feeling" have the prove anything to be valid in and of itself as a feeling (and if you've never been blindsided by an irrational feeling like say, oh, "love" for instance you've missed one of the true joys of living), and how many examples from throughout history do you need to illustrate how deceptive the "validity of the senses" can be? And one other thing - even if you don't follow an organized religion (which I don't either), why diss it for people that derive some sense of meaning from it? The way I see it, any time people can assemble in any format that's peaceful and maybe even feel some sense of community, i.e. religious worship, concerts, PTA, Alcoholics Anonymous, bowling league, what have you, that's not such a bad thing. Ken R From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Mar 10 01:41:34 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA01834; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 01:41:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 01:41:34 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <021501bf8a5a$c5c6e7e0$30ffdcd1@hideo> From: "hideo" To: References: <1.5.4.32.20000310045026.00670a54@pop.pipeline.com> Subject: Re: David Torn interview Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 00:35:03 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <"9bgqy1.0.eI.rW9ou"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12771 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com was just looking at some old links and stumbled across this on one of my favorite musicians . . . check this out--I had NO idea and it really blew my mind . . . http://www.innerviews.org/inner/torn2.html Tom Lambrecht From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Mar 10 06:57:51 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA10549; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 06:57:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 06:57:51 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhUAu7EZpxcjYoMZ+2Hhck7nXgXjfgcCFEmyF9IMsmjrCvDMnbSBE4QxH3VC From: DanKoontz@webtv.net (Dan Koontz) Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 03:52:41 -0800 (PST) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V00 #73 Message-ID: <17004-38C8E209-32@storefull-161.iap.bryant.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: KRosser414@aol.com's message of Fri, 10 Mar 2000 01:49:00 EST Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Resent-Message-ID: <"VQPQi3.0.aG2.E8Eou"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12774 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com First of all, rationality and irrationality are mutually exclusive. You either choose to validate your ideas (through a process of reason),and be rational; or choose to follow whatever makes you feel good and is conveniant. The senses (percepts) are valid, they are automatic reactions to the external world. Your senses never lie, the error occurs when a person takes percepts and forms incorrect (invalid) concepts. A good example of this would be the illusion of the broken-stick in water. The senses are totaly reliable in that they don't censor the light coming to your eyes at different speeds. I you were to conclude that the stick was really bent, that would be an error of thought (conceptual), not yor senses (perceptual). Love is not an "irrational feeling". Love, like all feelings or emotions are a value judgement formed by one's ideas. All emotions derive from the content of one's mind. If you won a million dollars, would you feel happy, or sad and dejected? You would feel happy, because those million dollars would be of value to you. There is no clash between thought and feeling, any apparent clash betwwen the two iis really a clash between two contradicting ideas. So, if you have a feeling that seems irrational, it's really your ideas that are irrational. I strongly suggest you look into Objectivism, the philosophy of Ayn Rand. Cheers, - Dan From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Mar 10 07:32:47 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA15110; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 04:48:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 04:48:17 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <4.3.0.20000310033753.02f7a770@pop.interaccess.com> X-Sender: ths@pop.interaccess.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3 Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 03:38:49 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tom S Subject: Re: David Torn interview In-Reply-To: <021501bf8a5a$c5c6e7e0$30ffdcd1@hideo> References: <1.5.4.32.20000310045026.00670a54@pop.pipeline.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"-Wo5b3.0.lI3.ZCCou"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12773 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com A good interview with D Torn Here is another interesting link: http://www.emagicusa.com/viplounge/interviews/davidtorn.html Tom At 12:35 AM 3/10/00 -0600, you wrote: >was just looking at some old links and stumbled across this on one of my >favorite musicians . . . > >check this out--I had NO idea and it really blew my mind . . . > > >http://www.innerviews.org/inner/torn2.html > > >Tom Lambrecht From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Mar 10 07:24:05 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA16262; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 07:24:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 07:24:05 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhRD2q9ZNV8riOOLasTJSxQEEbcxzAIURLsNZWC8FCE5aLx9OMb3o7cS6/k= From: DanKoontz@webtv.net (Dan Koontz) Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 04:07:22 -0800 (PST) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: dl4 = midi Message-ID: <17001-38C8E57A-341@storefull-161.iap.bryant.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: "amos elmaliah" 's message of Thu, 09 Mar 2000 17:33:42 PST Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Resent-Message-ID: <"RVfg7.0.O93._LEou"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12775 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I heard about someone thinking about modifying a dl4. A suggestion I would have is to try circuit-bending it. If you're not familiar with this, go to your favorite search engine and look up "Reed Ghazala", or "circuit bending". I've modified lots of cheap toys using this and have come upon some amaaazing sounds! Hope this is could beof some value to you, - Dan From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Mar 10 08:23:29 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA29496; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 08:23:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 08:23:29 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: johnmcc@aldiscon.ie Subject: i like sticks (was Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V00 #73) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.2b (Intl) 16 December 1999 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 13:03:45 +0000 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on DublinDomino01/SRV/Aldiscon(Release 5.0.2a (Intl)|23 November 1999) at 10/03/2000 13:03:46 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"Dqdj22.0.UF6.WBFou"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12776 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com [Dan:] > rationality and irrationality are mutually exclusive. No arguments here .. it's all good solid thinking. It reminded me of something which I'll put forward for perusal (and abusal) .. taken from Paul Davies' "About Time: Einstein's Unfinished Revolution" - in an effort to learn more about how humans perceive the sensation of touch, an experiment was performed where a patient's arm was touched with a needle, and the length of time until the brain received this information was recorded. Then the doctors noted the area of the brain stimulated by this action, and then tried stimulating the brain directly, to see how much faster this was. It was slower. It became obvious that how the brain perceives time was not nearly as clear-cut as they thought. Now this doesn't negate Dan's example of the bent-stick light coming to your eyes - it's a good example: the stick isn't bent. But it should be pointed out that the light, in itself, doesn't "mean" anything. Meaning is imposed onto the percept data by our brains, using knowledge we've built up about the world. So the point is: the stick appears bent in water, yet we know (or 'know') it's straight - a seemingly irrational and inexplicable situation .. but we learn about optics and the properties of water, and all is revealed .. so what is seemingly irrational today, may be simply be a pointer to knowledge that is yet to be uncovered. Also. there is a tendency to take the situation as transmitted by the light as "the truth", but perhaps this is only because we're equipped with sensory organs that detect light. What if we had eyes that saw something else entirely? What if (assuming Cahill and Klinger are right for a sec') we could see "gebits" instead of the structures that build up around them? Would the stick be straight or bent then? Would it be anything like a stick at all? Of course I'm ignoring what all your other senses tell you .. "devil's advocate" anyone? Anyway, as I say Dan this isn't any kind of argument with your e-mail, just me off on a tangent again ;-) And of course straight sticks are just as good as bendy sticks as long as they're sticky .... Time for coffee, John From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Mar 10 08:26:11 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA30570; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 08:26:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 08:26:11 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: johnmcc@aldiscon.ie Subject: David Torn site stuff To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.2b (Intl) 16 December 1999 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 13:20:12 +0000 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on DublinDomino01/SRV/Aldiscon(Release 5.0.2a (Intl)|23 November 1999) at 10/03/2000 13:20:13 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"pzM4J3.0.j97.mQFou"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12777 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi all, Speaking of Torn interviews .. I've put up version 1.0 of a wee web thingy I'm calling "degrees of torn" that allows you to partake in a computer version of that musical train-spotting passtime where you link David Torn to Ani DiFranco in 4 steps (anyone?). This version is Netscape only, but I hope to get it working for IE soon. You'll need Layers and JavaScript 1.2 .. full details and instructions posted over at davidtorncell @ yahoo. Hopefully the next version will also let you add associations, so if that short-lived live incarnation of some obscure band isn't there, you can add it in ! http://www.gaalore.com/davidtorn.nsf click on the logo to get in, then click on the "DT" icon .. it's on that page http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/davidtorncell the torn club @ yahoo, the message titled "degrees of torn" has full details so go on, win the respect of your friends and family and pets with your knowledge of band line-ups :-) best regards, John From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Mar 10 08:39:19 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA00942; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 08:39:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 08:39:19 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <008001bf8a94$709b92e0$5d95f5ce@-> From: "Bill Fox" To: Subject: EMUSIC Playlist Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 08:27:22 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"MeHcI1.0.kr7.fcFou"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12778 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ. Show #154 March 9, 2000. On this show, I continued the month-long focus on the seventh annual Alfa Centauri music festival in Huizen, The Netherlands. Tonight's Feature CD at Midnight was Humidity by Robert Rich on the Hypnos label. Robert will also be performing a bit closer to home at the next Gathering. Alfa Centauri http://wdiyfm.org/emusic/playlists/2000/focus00.html#mar Gathering http://wdiyfm.org/emusic/events.html ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== 11:04 pm Radio Massacre International Rite of Spring Borrowed Atoms (Centaur) Mike Metlay Band of Fire Band of Fire (Atomic City) Mind~Flux Sound Barrier Konception of Space (IC/Digit Music) jhno Ovaltune Membrane (Delicate Ear) Saul Stokes (exerpt) A Collection of Live Recordings (none) 12:00 am Robert Rich Steel Harmonics Humidity (Hypnos) Robert Rich Nada Humidity (Hypnos) Robert Rich Cloud Relapse Humidity (Hypnos) Robert Rich Nightsky Reprise Humidity (Hypnos) Robert Rich Hidden Refuge Humidity (Hypnos) Robert Rich In a Miasma of Malarial Delusions Humidity (Hypnos) 1:00 am * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) On the next EMUSIC, I'll continue the month-long focus on the seventh annual Alfa Centauri Electronic Music Festival. The feature CD at midnight will be "Trance Neutral Zone" by Patrick Kosmos on the Quantum label. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Mar 10 09:14:45 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA11954; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 09:14:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 09:14:45 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: From: David Kirkdorffer To: "'Chris Chovit'" , "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: t.c. D2 Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 09:03:47 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <"HNns13.0.tK2.46Gou"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12779 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I gave the D2 a quick whirl at a Guitar Center. There's way more under the covers than I had time (or inclination) to get into. What was on the surface wasn't wild or crazy stuff. So I was a little disappointed. I'm know a real weekend of investigation would yield much more valid opinions. dk From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Mar 10 09:19:12 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA12839; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 09:19:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 09:19:12 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: magicicada@mindspring.com Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 09:10:57 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Lexicon mpx 1 Sender: magicicada@mindspring.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: 170.140.104.69 Resent-Message-ID: <"QEJIH.0.td2.0AGou"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12780 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi all I have a lexicon mpx 1 and I was wondering if there is a way to increase the looping time on the lexi> anyone know? regards, c.white From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Mar 10 09:19:44 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA13433; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 09:19:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 09:19:44 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: johnmcc@aldiscon.ie Subject: Re: Interesting... To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.2b (Intl) 16 December 1999 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 14:14:00 +0000 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on DublinDomino01/SRV/Aldiscon(Release 5.0.2a (Intl)|23 November 1999) at 10/03/2000 14:14:00 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"0kKY7.0.cw2.GDGou"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12781 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com [Larry:] > As I understand it, quantum events have no "real" effect at the > macro level Yep, I also understood the idea to be that while *some* sub-atomic demonstrate quirky behaviour (like moving through 'solid' objects and arriving before they left without passing GO and collecting $200) not enough do this so that the effect can be seen on a macroscopic level .. i.e. human experience level. This is what caught my eye about the Cahill-Klinger theory .. to some extent their ideas back this up (well, that how I read it anyway..) by saying that higher levels are built on lower levels using statistical methods. So some properties, although present and observable, are "stastically negligible" and don't show up. It's certainly a nice elegant idea. > Yes, I've read and studied most of the literature on the subject > of Super-string theory (or so-called 'theory of everything'), > and it appears to approximate (at times) the mystical speculations > of a 'hidden reality' or 'other planes of existence'-type stuff. I have to say offhand that I don't know much about string theory, but this thread brought up an interesting idea in my mind .. are we judging some of these concepts by the language used to express them? If I couch a particular idea in certain terminology, does it become more valid? For instance, something like: "Matter, at a fundamental level, is not made up of particles, but of regressive and progressive levels, each referenced to its neighbours stastically, organized in a fractal-like structure." or "We are part of a reality much bigger than ourselves, with many hidden levels which are no less real than the ones we experience." They're essentially pointing to the same thing, but does the technical 'explanation' (yeah, well..) make one right, and one .. 'less right' ? Especially if I stick "and Jesus loves you" or "and Shiva will enlighten you" at the end of the second one. In other words, maybe there are truths to be found in unlikely places. > On the otherhand, religion is a closed book, it's dogma > rarely (if ever) open to questioning and revision. Yep, and a pity .. I've often felt that there may be more to be gained from understanding the questions than from the possible answer .. [Michael:] > i love monasteries............always great big rooms with lots of delay > but quite often, not enough plugs Yeah .. if they were so enlightened, they'd have known they need some more power outlets .. ;-) John From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Mar 10 09:35:27 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA17796; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 09:35:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 09:35:27 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38C906D7.49BF@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 06:29:45 -0800 From: scott kungha drengsen X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-MACOS8 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V00 #73 References: <17004-38C8E209-32@storefull-161.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"IYPNk1.0.BT3.KLGou"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12782 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I strongly suggest you look into any of the wonderful methods mentioned by the Rev.Doubt-Goat before drawing any airtight conclusions about the world,the senses,love,objectivity,Objectivism,and the value of a million dollars..... Or (loopimg content)construct a beautiful,multilayered drone of at least 5 differant effects,20 to 45 seconds in length.Set up a timer,let the loop run,and see how long you can "hear" it the same way. ie;same motives,melodies,points of musical interest,same feelings,perceptions,associations,conclusions,valuejugdements,philosophical reveries.....? PEACE kungha From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Mar 10 09:59:21 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA24931; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 09:59:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 09:59:21 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000310143715.42567.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [165.227.137.26] From: "David Potter" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Not Interesting... Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 06:37:15 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"wNPbn.0.dP4.xYGou"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12783 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com ZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz......................... >From: "Larry Tremblay" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >To: >Subject: Re: Interesting... >Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 20:09:39 -0500 > > > > > LOL. Yep, sure does. That was the point. I'm not *totally* > > insulated from the irony of my own statements, you know. > > > > > > ** okay. i guess the problem is that you come off that way . . . while > > possibly not allowing others that latitude. > >I'm lightening up a bit. The slack it out. > > > True, there's no definitive "proof" per se, only shades of >understanding, > > given the complexity of the subject under study - the human brain. ;) > > > > ** or the universe? i think that it may be easier to understand the >human > > brain that it is the universe around us . . . > >Hard to say really. The brain is a 3-pound universe all its own. >At least the universe is 'out there' for us to study, whereas the >study of the brain is a seriously recursive [like looping] and >unimaginably complex endeavor. Not uncrackable, but difficult, to >say the least. > > > by the way, have you noticed how string theory seems to be approaching >some > > of the mystical traditions? i also seem to recall that many physicists >have > > been ardently religious . . . (not that i am, mind you) > >Yes, I've read and studied most of the literature on the subject of >Super-string theory (or so-called 'theory of everything'), and it >appears to approximate (at times) the mystical speculations of a >'hidden reality' or 'other planes of existence'-type stuff. > >The jury is most definitely out on that one. The magnitude of the >gulf between matter at the sub-atomic particle level versus what >we experience our own macro-atomic (i.e., molecular) level is vast >indeed. It's almost like two different worlds - and for all practical >purposes, they are. > >As I understand it, quantum events have no "real" effect at the macro >level due to the strong forces of the molecules that make up our bodies >and the 'hard matter' world around us. Otherwise, things would be flying >apart all over the place. (Given there was a place to begin with.) > >True, *some* scientists are religious, but most are either agnostic or >devote atheists like Carl Sagan and Einstein (despite his protests about >not believing that "God plays dice", in regards to Quantum Mechanics). > >The great thing about science versus religion is that the future is >always open, and that all theories must continually hold up under >intense scrutinity. On the otherhand, religion is a closed book, >it's dogma rarely (if ever) open to questioning and revision. > >- Larry > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Mar 10 10:10:56 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA27673; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 10:10:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 10:10:56 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <002f01bf8a9e$fb792670$7c310140@concentric.net> From: "Larry Tremblay" To: References: <17004-38C8E209-32@storefull-161.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V00 #73 Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 09:43:19 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"5HEnR3.0.DT4.laGou"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12784 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > There is no clash between thought and feeling, any apparent > clash betwwen the two iis really a clash between two > contradicting ideas. So, if you have a feeling that seems > irrational, it's really your ideas that are irrational. Thanks Dan. I couldn't have said it better. Ayn Rand's philosophy has had a great influence on my own thinking, too. Her essay, "Art and Cognition" in her book "The Romantic Manifesto" is what led me to Helmholtz, and subsequently, a whole new world of music and aesthetics. - Larry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Koontz" To: Sent: Friday, March 10, 2000 6:52 AM Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V00 #73 > First of all, rationality and irrationality are mutually exclusive. You > either choose to validate your ideas (through a process of reason),and > be rational; or choose to follow whatever makes you feel good and is > conveniant. The senses (percepts) are valid, they are automatic > reactions to the external world. Your senses never lie, the error occurs > when a person takes percepts and forms incorrect (invalid) concepts. A > good example of this would be the illusion of the broken-stick in water. > The senses are totaly reliable in that they don't censor the light > coming to your eyes at different speeds. I you were to conclude that the > stick was really bent, that would be an error of thought (conceptual), > not yor senses (perceptual). Love is not an "irrational feeling". Love, > like all feelings or emotions are a value judgement formed by one's > ideas. All emotions derive from the content of one's mind. If you won a > million dollars, would you feel happy, or sad and dejected? You would > feel happy, because those million dollars would be of value to you. > There is no clash between thought and feeling, any apparent clash > betwwen the two iis really a clash between two contradicting ideas. So, > if you have a feeling that seems irrational, it's really your ideas that > are irrational. I strongly suggest you look into Objectivism, the > philosophy of Ayn Rand. > > Cheers, - Dan > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Mar 10 10:54:36 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA08460; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 10:54:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 10:54:36 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38C9184B.1E8D940D@latrobe.edu.au> Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 02:44:11 +1100 From: "b.knox" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: dl4 = midi References: <17001-38C8E57A-341@storefull-161.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"9pTe9.0.NQ1.PXHou"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12786 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Dan Koontz wrote: > > I heard about someone thinking about modifying a dl4. A suggestion I > would have is to try circuit-bending it. If you're not familiar with > this, go to your favorite search engine and look up "Reed Ghazala", or > "circuit bending". I've modified lots of cheap toys using this and have > come upon some amaaazing sounds! > Hope this is could beof some value to you, > - Dan hi Dan, on the subject on circuit bending ... just picked up a ye olde mattel(!) synsonics drum machine ... molto fun as is, but has this been a cheap toy you've bent? any pointers? lurv that white noise "cymbal" sound :) brad From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Mar 10 11:10:49 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA12663; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 11:10:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 11:10:49 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38C91B9B.F9EFA3B3@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 07:58:21 -0800 From: George Van Wagner X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: dl4 = midi References: <17001-38C8E57A-341@storefull-161.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"iDhok3.0.7N2.skHou"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12787 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Remember that pretty much everything that's going on in the DL4 is happening in the digital world, and the signal goes directly from the DAC to the output op amp, so, as interesting as Reed's 'anti-theory' is, I don't think you'll make much headway on this particular piece of gear. George Dan Koontz wrote: > > I heard about someone thinking about modifying a dl4. A suggestion I > would have is to try circuit-bending it. If you're not familiar with > this, go to your favorite search engine and look up "Reed Ghazala", or > "circuit bending". I've modified lots of cheap toys using this and have > come upon some amaaazing sounds! > Hope this is could beof some value to you, > - Dan From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Mar 10 11:31:18 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA18329; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 11:31:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 11:31:18 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000310080635.008bea40@pop3.argotech.net> X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 08:06:35 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Rich Subject: Re: dl4 = midi In-Reply-To: <20000310013342.54925.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"nqafK.0.Ol3.f2Iou"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12789 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I'm definitely not the guy to say yes or no to such a proposition, since i am definitely an end 'user'. However, since Line6's POD, AX2 and (i believe) the Flextone all have pretty good midi implementation, why would they not include midi capability to the DL4 if it was so easy? Furthermore, you're suggesting that it would be easy to MODIFY the unit? Sounds kinda fishy to me... For $250, my little green box works just fine... rich At 05:33 PM 3/9/00 PST, you wrote: > >loopers ! > >i don't know if anyone did or not talked about the idea of modifying >the dl4, but it sure sounds like a danm good idea. >two main reasones: > >just before reading that please forgive me for my poor level and >knoowledge in electronics...(i am doing my best thugh to keep up with >it) > >1. >the fact that the unit has so many tweekning and tweazing >possibilites and also 3 presets and a tap makes a bit of a conflict... >assuming the optimal situation in which you can take the maximum >advantage of the unit's flexabiliety ; > >a. the units on the flore >it seems like the 1 expression pedal output is limiting,so you can't >make small adjustment while playing but us the pedal like you use the >wah >b. or it's on a table so in order to tweek,you must stop stop playing. > >2.midi clock both in loop and delay mode > >basicly we're just talking about converting swiches and potentiometers >to midi,shouldnt be so hard ... > >for the quality of the delay and other effects it may be interesting >to go even further and assign different alogarithem to control >velocities and other characters normaly being tweeked. > >i think about a kind of seperated midi agent device that converts >midi clock to on\off and alogarithems\signals to level (potentiometers) >controls all these units. >anyways, since midi technology is so accesible these days, >it seems logical that there sould be some way to enable musican to >convert their old analog devices to be controled vie digital interface. >we're at the age of midi control. >actualy its not a bad idea to start a kind of a business... >like maybe do it yourself... > >-why wait for futher upgrades in the program if you can modify it >by yourself? >-why buy the modulation modeler if you can convert your analog devices >to be controled via midi? >-whats wrong in connecting analog technology with the opertunities of >digital accurat control? > >looper, feel free to enrich use with your well appriciated knowlede, >experience and ideas. > >am0as ;9)- > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Mar 10 11:22:53 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA16563; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 11:22:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 11:22:53 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: KRosser414@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 11:07:59 EST Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V00 #74 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 61 Resent-Message-ID: <"awDzV.0.Q23.0uHou"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12788 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 3/10/00 7:24:43 AM Pacific Standard Time, Loopers-Delight-d-request@annihilist.com writes: << So, if you have a feeling that seems irrational, it's really your ideas that are irrational. I strongly suggest you look into Objectivism, the philosophy of Ayn Rand. >> I had plenty of psudeo-intellectual acquaintences in college, including a particularly irritating ex-girlfriend (so there's my subjective angle...), that constantly trumpeted the philosophy and "genius" of Ayn Rand. These people all confused their ego with "rationality" and delighted on sitting around and stroking it ad nauseum. I gave it a shot, but I thought then, and think now, that it's not only utter garbage but intellectually cowardly. I'm not going to claim to have read everything by Ayn Rand, but I feel about it like I feel about eating fried pork chops: if you like it and have no trouble digesting it, good for you, but I didn't see the point in going any further than one or two once my stomach was aching. If you get something meaningful from it, and I mean this sincerely, more power to you. But like the more over-zealous followers of any of these religions you find so offensive, you're making a mistake if you think it applies to anyone's reality but your own. IMHO, of course, and as off-topic as ever, Ken R From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Mar 10 11:59:26 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA26098; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 11:59:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 11:59:26 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000310083538.00b39970@mail.well.com> X-Sender: dog@mail.well.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 08:35:38 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: dan mcmullen Subject: Re: Interesting... In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"YFMui2.0.g95.7OIou"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12790 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 02:14 PM 3/10/00 +0000, johnmcc@aldiscon.ie wrote: >[Larry:] >> On the otherhand, religion is a closed book, it's dogma >> rarely (if ever) open to questioning and revision. > >Yep, and a pity .. I've often felt that there may be more to be gained from >understanding the questions than from the possible answer .. would it be more accurate to say "religion, *as often promoted by western religions instututions*, is a closed book"? i believe religion *can* (and should?) be open to questioning and revision. thanks to all for their contributions to this fascinating thread, dan ___ dan mcmullen, ca, usa don't worry - pay attention mailto:dog@well.com 707-485-0220 pgp fingerprint = 1C70 8D81 6B94 93A9 F2D8 9609 2122 BF70 8619 EDAF From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Mar 10 12:13:51 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA29133; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 12:13:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 12:13:51 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Hawkeye255@aol.com Message-ID: <92.26a31b5.25fa80bc@aol.com> Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 11:45:48 EST Subject: Re: OT (or maybe not) National Endowment of the Arts... To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 66 Resent-Message-ID: <"_MAFJ.0.WT5.XRIou"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12791 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Subject: NPR & PBS Funding On NPR's Morning Edition, Nina Totenberg reported that if the Supreme Court supports Congress to cut the budget of the National Endowment of the Arts, it is in effect the end of NEA. This situation creates great concerns about Congressional funding for creative arts in America, since NEA provides major support for NPR (National Public Radio), PBS (Public Broadcasting System), and numerous other creative and performing arts. If NEA is lost or weakened, our lives will be similarly diminished. In spite of the efforts of each station to reduce spending costs and streamline their services, some government officials believe that the funding currently going to these programs is too large a portion of funding for something which is seen as not worthwhile. Currently, taxes from the general public for PBS equal $1.12 per person per year, and the National Endowment for the Arts equals $.64 a year. A January 1995 CNN/USA Today/Gallup poll indicated that 76% of Americans wish to keep funding for PBS, third only to national defense and law enforcement as the most valuable programs for federal funding. Please add your name to this list and forward it to friends that you believe are in favor of what this stands for. The full list will be forwarded to the President of the United States, the Vice President, and the Speaker of the House, whose office has in the past been the instigator of the action to cut funding to these worthwhile programs. This petition is being passed around the Internet. Please add your name to it so that funding can be maintained for the NEA, NPR, and PBS. THIS IS OUR CHANCE TO MAKE INTERNET TECHNOLOGY WORK AS A VOICE IN OUR DEMOCRATIC SYSTEM. IT'S EASIER THAN EVER TO MAKE OUR VOICES HEARD. Please keep the petition rolling. Do not reply to me. Sign your name and locale to the list and forward it to others to sign. If you prefer not to, please send the list to the email address given below. This is being forwarded to numerous people at once to add their names to the petition. It won't matter if many people receive the same list, as the names are being managed. This is for anyone who thinks NPR and PBS deserve $1.12/year of their taxes. If you sign, please forward the list to others. If not, please don't kill it. If you happen to be the 150th, 200th, 250th, etc., signer of this petition, please forward a copy to: wein2688@blue.univnorthco.edu This way we can keep track of the lists and organize them. 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IA From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Mar 10 12:26:28 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA00473; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 12:26:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 12:26:28 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Hawkeye255@aol.com Message-ID: <6a.fe235c.25fa84b1@aol.com> Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 12:02:41 EST Subject: Re: re Ineresting... To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 66 Resent-Message-ID: <"ApzXm1.0.jT6.MhIou"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12792 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com << ===The universe is more of a Mambo Jumbo.=== so there. tch.tch. Christine Bard 0~>~<>~><~<>~<~0 >> I beg to differ...Tango Jumbo, I believe. Hah!!! So there!!! hawkeye From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Mar 10 12:35:55 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA03241; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 12:35:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 12:35:55 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 12:20:16 EST Subject: Re: mpx1 vs. mpx 500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 32 Resent-Message-ID: <"UKkeA.0._i7.rxIou"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12794 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 10/03/00 01:39:45 GMT Standard Time, gripcode@hotmail.com writes: > in order to compare the 1 to the 500; > > the routing possibilities > - i've heard about problems with the mpx 1's pitch shifting taking to > much place in the well crafted 1's dual processors and memory. > does that mean nessesarily that the routing in the 1 is bad when i use > -the pitch or any orther effects? > -how many effect can i go through? > -are there any other effects taking to much place? Can't answer all your questions, try ghogan@lexicon.com ...and keep in mind that I haven't actually used either, I'm a MPX100 user who's researched them as a possible upgrade. >can i loop on the 500 and have my guitar playing through? yes >tremolo + rotation trems excellent rotations very good (can only be better than the MPX100) >pitch shift MPX1 the fact this uses up processing power could be a sign it works well, ... the pitch on the MPX100 only works well on single note I/P possibly the MPX500 is the same. Basically I reckon the MPX1 is much more powerful than the 500, it belongs in a higher price bracket than the 500. ...but the 500 is newer (&cheaper) if the loop facility in the 500 is identical to the 100, then it may share the problems, I'd suggest you try out an infinite loop while receiving midi-clock and see if the signal degrades. Andy Butler Lexicon Vortex Database http://members.aol.com/soundfnr/vortex.htm From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Mar 10 12:36:44 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA03388; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 12:36:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 12:36:44 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <020501bf8ab6$d0c7cfe0$eb7679a5@cliff> From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" To: Subject: Re: Interesting... Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 09:33:47 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Resent-Message-ID: <"Z3DZf3.0.9R.15Jou"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12796 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Ok folks- this has gone far enough- 20+ posts in a day is getting old- 0% Looping content etc- take it off list PLEASE- Cliff -----Original Message----- From: dan mcmullen To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Friday, March 10, 2000 9:27 AM Subject: Re: Interesting... >At 02:14 PM 3/10/00 +0000, johnmcc@aldiscon.ie wrote: >>[Larry:] >>> On the otherhand, religion is a closed book, it's dogma >>> rarely (if ever) open to questioning and revision. >> >>Yep, and a pity .. I've often felt that there may be more to be gained from >>understanding the questions than from the possible answer .. > >would it be more accurate to say "religion, *as often promoted by western >religions instututions*, is a closed book"? i believe religion *can* (and >should?) be open to questioning and revision. > >thanks to all for their contributions to this fascinating thread, >dan >___ >dan mcmullen, ca, usa don't worry - pay attention >mailto:dog@well.com 707-485-0220 >pgp fingerprint = 1C70 8D81 6B94 93A9 F2D8 9609 2122 BF70 8619 EDAF > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Mar 10 12:38:24 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA03642; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 12:38:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 12:38:24 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 12:24:38 -0500 (EST) From: Unit Circle Media To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: OT (or maybe not) National Endowment of the Arts... In-Reply-To: <92.26a31b5.25fa80bc@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: unitcirc@keys.com Resent-Message-ID: <"Xzv9O1.0.7x7.n_Iou"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12795 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is a hoax, please do not forward to anyone! Kevin Kevin Goldsmith kevin@unitcircle.com Unit Circle Media http://www.unitcircle.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Mar 10 13:22:40 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA15098; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 13:22:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 13:22:40 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <001301bf8abc$ba87a600$a632dacf@sgoodman> Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V00 #74 Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 10:16:15 -0800 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"S-Uzg2.0.eF3.8mJou"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12797 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I happen to know a good number of self-proclaimed liberals (who also happen to consider themselves intellectuals - what a surprise!) who have the standard knee-jerk reaction to Ayn Rand, which tends to be as revealing as the opposite viewpoint's reactions. Perhaps so-called liberals just can't stand the idea of an individual sometimes being more important than the so-called Whole? Sorry folks, it's necessary on most occasions to rise up above the norm; and, more often than not, when one does so, the ones around him/her are attracted by any of a number of things, power, assumed power, aura, whatever - and more often than not, it's NOT what the individual wanted to get Everyone Else to notice in the first place, while factions all round have battles about a variety of items, most of which were constructed for the benefit of a select few (or one), but are portrayed as Global Truths nonetheless. In this way should said movement fail, who can blame anyone for the pursuit of a Global Truth? Rand's portrayal of those Other Than The Individual in "The Fountainhead" is probably what originally pissed off liberals though - its representation of the press is less than God-like, and therefore an insult to those who worship such people and their efforts, right or wrong. I think the argument of having domain over one's creations is a vital point, though. And it's something that's been filling court rooms for decades - look at any suit about Intellectual Property. Secondly there's the issue of the non-creatives of our world, who mostly enjoy creative things - but there's always a small percentage that, lacking the ability to create themselves, will always resort to theft of one kind or another to at least appear to surpass their own limitations. If you don't think there's a difference between people who create, and those who don't, perhaps it's one's own lack of creativity that urges such (ahem) SPURIOUS thinking. Stephen Goodman EarthLight Productions * http://www.earthlight.net ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, March 10, 2000 8:07 AM Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V00 #74 > In a message dated 3/10/00 7:24:43 AM Pacific Standard Time, > Loopers-Delight-d-request@annihilist.com writes: > > << So, > if you have a feeling that seems irrational, it's really your ideas that > are irrational. I strongly suggest you look into Objectivism, the > philosophy of Ayn Rand. >> > > I had plenty of psudeo-intellectual acquaintences in college, including a > particularly irritating ex-girlfriend (so there's my subjective angle...), > that constantly trumpeted the philosophy and "genius" of Ayn Rand. These > people all confused their ego with "rationality" and delighted on sitting > around and stroking it ad nauseum. I gave it a shot, but I thought then, and > think now, that it's not only utter garbage but intellectually cowardly. I'm > not going to claim to have read everything by Ayn Rand, but I feel about it > like I feel about eating fried pork chops: if you like it and have no > trouble digesting it, good for you, but I didn't see the point in going any > further than one or two once my stomach was aching. > > If you get something meaningful from it, and I mean this sincerely, more > power to you. But like the more over-zealous followers of any of these > religions you find so offensive, you're making a mistake if you think it > applies to anyone's reality but your own. > > IMHO, of course, and as off-topic as ever, > Ken R > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Mar 10 13:25:45 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA16791; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 13:25:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 13:25:45 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <001b01bf8abd$225f82c0$a632dacf@sgoodman> Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: <92.26a31b5.25fa80bc@aol.com> Subject: Re: OT (or maybe not) National Endowment of the Arts... Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 10:19:08 -0800 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"HNR0a1.0._Y3.qoJou"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12800 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Chain letters don't work. This one in particular has been floating round the Internet for over three years, and will probably never get to whomever the instigator of this bit intended to read it! Who, tell me, is supposed to be the end run, and pass this along to them, then? Basically, all you're doing is using bandwidth. And thus said, I'll stop doing same. Stephen Goodman EarthLight Productions * http://www.earthlight.net ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, March 10, 2000 8:45 AM Subject: Re: OT (or maybe not) National Endowment of the Arts... > > Subject: NPR & PBS Funding > > On NPR's Morning Edition, Nina Totenberg reported that if the Supreme > Court supports Congress to cut the budget of the National Endowment of > the Arts, it is in effect the end of NEA. This situation creates great > concerns about Congressional funding for creative arts in America, since > > NEA provides major support for NPR (National Public Radio), PBS (Public > Broadcasting System), and numerous other creative and performing arts. > If NEA is lost or weakened, our lives will be similarly diminished. 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Jo Graves, Brea CA > 293. Jim Crowley, Oxnard CA > 294. Annelle Hazlett, Waimea, HI > 295. Chuck Graybill, Hiawatha, IA > 296. Norma Graybill, Hiawatha, IA > 297. Richard Carroll, Marion, IA > 298. Dorothy Carroll, Marion, IA > 299. Daniel W. Adams, Cedar Rapids, IA > 300. David W. Funk, Cedar Rapids, IA > 301. Michael E. Maas, Cedar Rapids, IA > 302. Gladyce M. Maas, Cedar Rapids, IA > 303. Patty Ankrum, Mount Vernon, IA > 304. Bill Reiter, Mount Vernon. IA > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Mar 10 13:25:12 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA16667; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 13:25:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 13:25:12 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 12:44:34 -0300 From: Julio Moreno Subject: "Loop" interacting with the rest of the music. To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-id: <005801bf8a3b$b9d65c00$0100007f@doutor> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.3825.400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.3825.400 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Resent-Message-ID: <"Y_IEF.0.oP7.wuIou"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12793 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > I have noticed that playing loops manually (just playing a phrase over and > over again) can be quite an experience, and certainly a different one to > using a looping device. Sometimes, your fingers just take over, and you can > hear the "loop" interacting with the rest of the music. YES! this is called ''groove'''...i been playing the last 10 years in dance bands here in Bahia where the people really SWINGS, sometimes 7 hours of non stop amazing grooves.I played with the famous band named Timbalada and the first Guettho Square band with 30 young swingy drumers for about four months in 4 hour ''open reharsal'' every Sunday in front of 1500 people and i know what you are talking about.This kind of band haven't got bass player.They have bass drums (22'' and 24'' tuned D and G ) and the guitar (6th and 5th strings mainly) interact in the with the bass drums providing the Root...this forces you to play very ''tigth'' and your right hand must play ALWAYS the same pattern to death. Check this kind of grove at my mp3 page if you want: http://www.bahianet.com.br/crac The name of the song it's Ponte Duvidosa . The song Na Sopa have Timbalada style drums too.Good healt and enjoy it! julio From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Mar 10 13:23:00 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA15234; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 13:23:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 13:23:00 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C41302E1@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Interesting... Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 13:14:38 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.10) Resent-Message-ID: <"A_LFM.0.AG3.ImJou"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12798 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hard to say really. The brain is a 3-pound universe all its own. At least the universe is 'out there' for us to study, whereas the study of the brain is a seriously recursive [like looping] and unimaginably complex endeavor. Not uncrackable, but difficult, to say the least. ** yeah . . . how big is the area of the brain? you say it weighs 3 pounds. how many cubic inches? how big is the universe? how much does it weigh? do you actually believe that we know everything that exists or is going on out there? rememebr when people didn;t know about black holes? think that there's anything else like that out there? the brain is lot closer than "out there" for us to study . . . True, *some* scientists are religious, but most are either agnostic or devote atheists like Carl Sagan and Einstein (despite his protests about not believing that "God plays dice", in regards to Quantum Mechanics). ** some are atheists, some are not . . . whatever. the point is that some people who deal with this aren't. so, the two impluses are not necessarily exclusive of each other. (has any else ever thought that science became the "religion" of the last 100 years or so? as people used to look to religion for the answers, now people look to science, no matter how theoretical it is.) stig From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Mar 10 13:23:31 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA16201; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 13:23:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 13:23:31 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C41302E2@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V00 #73 Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 13:16:14 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.10) Resent-Message-ID: <"AGTqy.0.2T3.FnJou"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12799 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I strongly suggest you look into Objectivism, the philosophy of Ayn Rand. ** which, as ken r pointed out, strikes me as a religion of sorts. complete with messianic figure and evangelical zeal. stig From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Mar 10 13:48:57 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA23042; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 13:48:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 13:48:57 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C41302E3@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Interesting... Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 13:22:50 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.10) Resent-Message-ID: <"UmOax3.0.924.RtJou"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12801 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com would it be more accurate to say "religion, *as often promoted by western religions instututions*, is a closed book"? i believe religion *can* (and should?) be open to questioning and revision. ** i'd agree to this to a ceratin point. my main distinction about religion and mysticism (hey a loop, we're back at the beginning!) is that religion is often (note the word "often") dogmatic, it's based on hierarchy and a priest class handing down a codified "truth"; mysticism can be (note the words "can be") based on a personal and empirical search (i'm gonna get reamed for this) for "truth" (or what have) you based on self examination. or something, stig From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Mar 10 13:53:53 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA24347; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 13:53:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 13:53:53 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 10:45:56 -0800 From: "Mike Biffle" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, LiebigSA@Maritz.com Subject: Re: RE: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V00 #73 Resent-Message-ID: <"TXIik.0.WZ5.bCKou"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12802 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Someone... > I strongly suggest you look into Objectivism, the philosophy of Ayn Rand. >>> "Liebig, Steuart A." 03/10 10:21 AM >>> ** which, as ken r pointed out, strikes me as a religion of sorts. complete with messianic figure and evangelical zeal. stig My problem with Randroids (a loving term for some people I actually know) is that they've often been very poor ambassadors for the philosophy... Their own sense of importance and arrogance, lack of respect for others ideas, as well as a harsh, judgmental anti-loser mentality tends to turn me away from that particular cult faster than most... Apologies to those Randroids who actually ARE thoughtful, respectful, yet still adhere to the philosophy. -Miko From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Mar 10 14:01:51 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA27059; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 14:01:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 14:01:51 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 10:53:24 -0800 From: "Mike Biffle" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, LiebigSA@Maritz.com Subject: Re: RE: Interesting... Resent-Message-ID: <"f9k8H.0.Yz5.aJKou"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12803 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > my main distinction about religion and mysticism (hey a loop, we're back at the beginning!) is that religion is often (note the word "often") dogmatic, it's based on hierarchy and a priest class handing down a codified "truth"; mysticism can be (note the words "can be") based on a personal and empirical search (i'm gonna get reamed for this) for "truth" (or what have) you based on self examination. or something, stig It's interesting that the definition of the word agnostic denotes one who is occluded from direct contact and experience of god. Gnostics on the other hand maintain that they indeed are capable of direct contact with god and don't have to bow to the hierarchy of bishops for their religious knowledge... these people were persecuted by the church mercilessly... Now wouldn't one then presume that the people who are religious, devout, *and* follow the rules of succesion according to the Catholic church are in truth of fact AGNOSTIC? This IS a loooooop! -Miko From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Mar 10 14:22:04 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA32451; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 14:22:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 14:22:04 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: cdoyle6@excite.com Message-ID: <24069002.952714768951.JavaMail.imail@tiptoe> Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 10:59:28 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V00 #75 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Excite Inbox X-Sender-Ip: 63.14.69.212 Resent-Message-ID: <"tq_EH3.0.dd6.PRKou"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12804 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com stop sending me shit!!!!!!!! On Fri, 10 Mar 2000 13:53:16 -0500, Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com wrote: > Content-Type: text/plain > > Loopers-Delight-d Digest Volume 00 : Issue 75 > > Today's Topics: > Not Interesting... [ "David Potter" Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V00 #73 [ "Larry Tremblay" Re: dl4 = midi [ "b.knox" ] > Re: dl4 = midi [ George Van Wagner Re: dl4 = midi [ Rich ] > Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V00 #74 [ KRosser414@aol.com ] > Re: Interesting... [ dan mcmullen ] > Re: OT (or maybe not) National Endow [ Hawkeye255@aol.com ] > Re: re Ineresting... [ Hawkeye255@aol.com ] > Re: mpx1 vs. mpx 500 [ SoundFNR@aol.com ] > > Administrivia: > Looper's Delight > **************** > > Please send posts to: > > Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > > Don't send them to the digest! > > To subscribe/unsubscribe to the Loopers-Delight digest version, send email > with "subscribe" (or "unsubscribe") in both the subject and the body, with no > signature files, to: > > Loopers-Delight-d-request@annihilist.com > > > To subscribe/unsubscribe to the real Loopers-Delight list, send email > with "subscribe" (or "unsubscribe") in both the subject and the body, with no > signature files, to: > > Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > > > Check the web page for archives and lots of other goodies! > > http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html > > > Your humble list maintainer, > > Kim Flint > kflint@annihilist.com > Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 06:37:15 PST > From: "David Potter" > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Subject: Not Interesting... > Message-ID: <20000310143715.42567.qmail@hotmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed > > ZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz......................... > > >From: "Larry Tremblay" > >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > >To: > >Subject: Re: Interesting... > >Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 20:09:39 -0500 > > > > > > > > LOL. Yep, sure does. That was the point. I'm not *totally* > > > insulated from the irony of my own statements, you know. > > > > > > > > > ** okay. i guess the problem is that you come off that way . . . while > > > possibly not allowing others that latitude. > > > >I'm lightening up a bit. The slack it out. > > > > > True, there's no definitive "proof" per se, only shades of > >understanding, > > > given the complexity of the subject under study - the human brain. ;) > > > > > > ** or the universe? i think that it may be easier to understand the > >human > > > brain that it is the universe around us . . . > > > >Hard to say really. The brain is a 3-pound universe all its own. > >At least the universe is 'out there' for us to study, whereas the > >study of the brain is a seriously recursive [like looping] and > >unimaginably complex endeavor. Not uncrackable, but difficult, to > >say the least. > > > > > by the way, have you noticed how string theory seems to be approaching > >some > > > of the mystical traditions? i also seem to recall that many physicists > >have > > > been ardently religious . . . (not that i am, mind you) > > > >Yes, I've read and studied most of the literature on the subject of > >Super-string theory (or so-called 'theory of everything'), and it > >appears to approximate (at times) the mystical speculations of a > >'hidden reality' or 'other planes of existence'-type stuff. > > > >The jury is most definitely out on that one. The magnitude of the > >gulf between matter at the sub-atomic particle level versus what > >we experience our own macro-atomic (i.e., molecular) level is vast > >indeed. It's almost like two different worlds - and for all practical > >purposes, they are. > > > >As I understand it, quantum events have no "real" effect at the macro > >level due to the strong forces of the molecules that make up our bodies > >and the 'hard matter' world around us. Otherwise, things would be flying > >apart all over the place. (Given there was a place to begin with.) > > > >True, *some* scientists are religious, but most are either agnostic or > >devote atheists like Carl Sagan and Einstein (despite his protests about > >not believing that "God plays dice", in regards to Quantum Mechanics). > > > >The great thing about science versus religion is that the future is > >always open, and that all theories must continually hold up under > >intense scrutinity. On the otherhand, religion is a closed book, > >it's dogma rarely (if ever) open to questioning and revision. > > > >- Larry > > > > > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 09:43:19 -0500 > From: "Larry Tremblay" > To: > Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V00 #73 > Message-ID: <002f01bf8a9e$fb792670$7c310140@concentric.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > > There is no clash between thought and feeling, any apparent > > clash betwwen the two iis really a clash between two > > contradicting ideas. So, if you have a feeling that seems > > irrational, it's really your ideas that are irrational. > > Thanks Dan. I couldn't have said it better. Ayn Rand's > philosophy has had a great influence on my own thinking, > too. Her essay, "Art and Cognition" in her book "The > Romantic Manifesto" is what led me to Helmholtz, and > subsequently, a whole new world of music and aesthetics. > > - Larry > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dan Koontz" > To: > Sent: Friday, March 10, 2000 6:52 AM > Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V00 #73 > > > > First of all, rationality and irrationality are mutually exclusive. You > > either choose to validate your ideas (through a process of reason),and > > be rational; or choose to follow whatever makes you feel good and is > > conveniant. The senses (percepts) are valid, they are automatic > > reactions to the external world. Your senses never lie, the error occurs > > when a person takes percepts and forms incorrect (invalid) concepts. A > > good example of this would be the illusion of the broken-stick in water. > > The senses are totaly reliable in that they don't censor the light > > coming to your eyes at different speeds. I you were to conclude that the > > stick was really bent, that would be an error of thought (conceptual), > > not yor senses (perceptual). Love is not an "irrational feeling". Love, > > like all feelings or emotions are a value judgement formed by one's > > ideas. All emotions derive from the content of one's mind. If you won a > > million dollars, would you feel happy, or sad and dejected? You would > > feel happy, because those million dollars would be of value to you. > > There is no clash between thought and feeling, any apparent clash > > betwwen the two iis really a clash between two contradicting ideas. So, > > if you have a feeling that seems irrational, it's really your ideas that > > are irrational. I strongly suggest you look into Objectivism, the > > philosophy of Ayn Rand. > > > > Cheers, - Dan > > > > > Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 02:44:11 +1100 > From: "b.knox" > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Subject: Re: dl4 = midi > Message-ID: <38C9184B.1E8D940D@latrobe.edu.au> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > Dan Koontz wrote: > > > > I heard about someone thinking about modifying a dl4. A suggestion I > > would have is to try circuit-bending it. If you're not familiar with > > this, go to your favorite search engine and look up "Reed Ghazala", or > > "circuit bending". I've modified lots of cheap toys using this and have > > come upon some amaaazing sounds! > > Hope this is could beof some value to you, > > - Dan > > hi Dan, > > on the subject on circuit bending ... just picked up a ye olde mattel(!) > synsonics drum machine ... molto fun as is, but has this been a cheap > toy you've bent? any pointers? > > lurv that white noise "cymbal" sound :) > > brad > Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 07:58:21 -0800 > From: George Van Wagner > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Subject: Re: dl4 = midi > Message-ID: <38C91B9B.F9EFA3B3@earthlink.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > Remember that pretty much everything that's going on in the DL4 is > happening in the digital world, and the signal goes directly from the > DAC to the output op amp, so, as interesting as Reed's 'anti-theory' is, > I don't think you'll make much headway on this particular piece of gear. > > George > > Dan Koontz wrote: > > > > I heard about someone thinking about modifying a dl4. A suggestion I > > would have is to try circuit-bending it. If you're not familiar with > > this, go to your favorite search engine and look up "Reed Ghazala", or > > "circuit bending". I've modified lots of cheap toys using this and have > > come upon some amaaazing sounds! > > Hope this is could beof some value to you, > > - Dan > Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 08:06:35 -0800 > From: Rich > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Subject: Re: dl4 = midi > Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000310080635.008bea40@pop3.argotech.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > I'm definitely not the guy to say yes or no to such a proposition, since i > am definitely an end 'user'. However, since Line6's POD, AX2 and (i > believe) the Flextone all have pretty good midi implementation, why would > they not include midi capability to the DL4 if it was so easy? > Furthermore, you're suggesting that it would be easy to MODIFY the unit? > Sounds kinda fishy to me... > > For $250, my little green box works just fine... > > rich > > > At 05:33 PM 3/9/00 PST, you wrote: > > > >loopers ! > > > >i don't know if anyone did or not talked about the idea of modifying > >the dl4, but it sure sounds like a danm good idea. > >two main reasones: > > > >just before reading that please forgive me for my poor level and > >knoowledge in electronics...(i am doing my best thugh to keep up with > >it) > > > >1. > >the fact that the unit has so many tweekning and tweazing > >possibilites and also 3 presets and a tap makes a bit of a conflict... > >assuming the optimal situation in which you can take the maximum > >advantage of the unit's flexabiliety ; > > > >a. the units on the flore > >it seems like the 1 expression pedal output is limiting,so you can't > >make small adjustment while playing but us the pedal like you use the > >wah > >b. or it's on a table so in order to tweek,you must stop stop playing. > > > >2.midi clock both in loop and delay mode > > > >basicly we're just talking about converting swiches and potentiometers > >to midi,shouldnt be so hard ... > > > >for the quality of the delay and other effects it may be interesting > >to go even further and assign different alogarithem to control > >velocities and other characters normaly being tweeked. > > > >i think about a kind of seperated midi agent device that converts > >midi clock to on＼off and alogarithems＼signals to level (potentiometers) > >controls all these units. > >anyways, since midi technology is so accesible these days, > >it seems logical that there sould be some way to enable musican to > >convert their old analog devices to be controled vie digital interface. > >we're at the age of midi control. > >actualy its not a bad idea to start a kind of a business... > >like maybe do it yourself... > > > >-why wait for futher upgrades in the program if you can modify it > >by yourself? > >-why buy the modulation modeler if you can convert your analog devices > >to be controled via midi? > >-whats wrong in connecting analog technology with the opertunities of > >digital accurat control? > > > >looper, feel free to enrich use with your well appriciated knowlede, > >experience and ideas. > > > >am0as ;9)- > > > >______________________________________________________ > >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > > > > Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 11:07:59 EST > From: KRosser414@aol.com > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V00 #74 > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > In a message dated 3/10/00 7:24:43 AM Pacific Standard Time, > Loopers-Delight-d-request@annihilist.com writes: > > << So, > if you have a feeling that seems irrational, it's really your ideas that > are irrational. I strongly suggest you look into Objectivism, the > philosophy of Ayn Rand. >> > > I had plenty of psudeo-intellectual acquaintences in college, including a > particularly irritating ex-girlfriend (so there's my subjective angle...), > that constantly trumpeted the philosophy and "genius" of Ayn Rand. These > people all confused their ego with "rationality" and delighted on sitting > around and stroking it ad nauseum. I gave it a shot, but I thought then, and > think now, that it's not only utter garbage but intellectually cowardly. I'm > not going to claim to have read everything by Ayn Rand, but I feel about it > like I feel about eating fried pork chops: if you like it and have no > trouble digesting it, good for you, but I didn't see the point in going any > further than one or two once my stomach was aching. > > If you get something meaningful from it, and I mean this sincerely, more > power to you. But like the more over-zealous followers of any of these > religions you find so offensive, you're making a mistake if you think it > applies to anyone's reality but your own. > > IMHO, of course, and as off-topic as ever, > Ken R > Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 08:35:38 -0800 > From: dan mcmullen > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Subject: Re: Interesting... > Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000310083538.00b39970@mail.well.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > At 02:14 PM 3/10/00 +0000, johnmcc@aldiscon.ie wrote: > >[Larry:] > >> On the otherhand, religion is a closed book, it's dogma > >> rarely (if ever) open to questioning and revision. > > > >Yep, and a pity .. I've often felt that there may be more to be gained from > >understanding the questions than from the possible answer .. > > would it be more accurate to say "religion, *as often promoted by western > religions instututions*, is a closed book"? i believe religion *can* (and > should?) be open to questioning and revision. > > thanks to all for their contributions to this fascinating thread, > dan > ___ > dan mcmullen, ca, usa don't worry - pay attention > mailto:dog@well.com 707-485-0220 > pgp fingerprint = 1C70 8D81 6B94 93A9 F2D8 9609 2122 BF70 8619 EDAF > Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 11:45:48 EST > From: Hawkeye255@aol.com > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Subject: Re: OT (or maybe not) National Endowment of the Arts... > Message-ID: <92.26a31b5.25fa80bc@aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > Subject: NPR & PBS Funding > > On NPR's Morning Edition, Nina Totenberg reported that if the Supreme > Court supports Congress to cut the budget of the National Endowment of > the Arts, it is in effect the end of NEA. This situation creates great > concerns about Congressional funding for creative arts in America, since > > NEA provides major support for NPR (National Public Radio), PBS (Public > Broadcasting System), and numerous other creative and performing arts. > If NEA is lost or weakened, our lives will be similarly diminished. In > spite of the efforts of each station to reduce spending costs and > streamline their services, some government officials believe that the > funding currently going to these programs is too large a portion of > funding for something which is seen as not worthwhile. > > Currently, taxes from the general public for PBS equal $1.12 per person > per year, and the National Endowment for the Arts equals $.64 a year. A > January 1995 CNN/USA Today/Gallup poll indicated that 76% of Americans > wish to keep funding for PBS, third only to national defense and law > enforcement as the most valuable programs for federal funding. > > Please add your name to this list and forward it to friends that you > believe are in favor of what this stands for. The full list will be > forwarded to the President of the United States, the Vice President, and > > the Speaker of the House, whose office has in the past been the > instigator of the action to cut funding to these worthwhile programs. > This petition is being passed around the Internet. Please add your name > to it so that funding can be maintained for the NEA, NPR, and PBS. > THIS IS OUR CHANCE TO MAKE INTERNET TECHNOLOGY WORK AS A VOICE IN OUR > DEMOCRATIC SYSTEM. IT'S EASIER THAN EVER TO MAKE OUR VOICES HEARD. > > Please keep the petition rolling. Do not reply to me. Sign your name and > > locale to the list and forward it to others to sign. If you prefer not > to, please send the list to the email address given below. This is being > > forwarded to numerous people at once to add their names to the petition. > > It won't matter if many people receive the same list, as the names are > being managed. > > This is for anyone who thinks NPR and PBS deserve $1.12/year of their > taxes. If you sign, please forward the list to others. If not, please > don't kill it. If you happen to be the 150th, 200th, 250th, etc., signer > > of this petition, please forward a copy to: > wein2688@blue.univnorthco.edu This way we can keep track of the lists > and organize them. Forward this to everyone you know, and help us to > keep these programs alive. Thank you. > > IMPORTANT NOTE: It is preferable that you COPY the entirety of this > letter and then PASTE it into a NEW outgoing message, rather than simply > > forwarding it. In your new outgoing message, add your name to the > bottom of the list, then send it on. 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IA > > > > Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 12:02:41 EST > From: Hawkeye255@aol.com > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Subject: Re: re Ineresting... > Message-ID: <6a.fe235c.25fa84b1@aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > << ===The universe is more of a Mambo Jumbo.=== > so there. > > tch.tch. > Christine Bard > 0~>~<>~><~<>~<~0 >> > > I beg to differ...Tango Jumbo, I believe. Hah!!! So there!!! > hawkeye > Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 12:20:16 EST > From: SoundFNR@aol.com > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Subject: Re: mpx1 vs. mpx 500 > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > In a message dated 10/03/00 01:39:45 GMT Standard Time, gripcode@hotmail.com > writes: > > > in order to compare the 1 to the 500; > > > > the routing possibilities > > - i've heard about problems with the mpx 1's pitch shifting taking to > > much place in the well crafted 1's dual processors and memory. > > does that mean nessesarily that the routing in the 1 is bad when i use > > -the pitch or any orther effects? > > -how many effect can i go through? > > -are there any other effects taking to much place? > > Can't answer all your questions, try ghogan@lexicon.com > ...and keep in mind that I haven't actually used either, > I'm a MPX100 user who's researched them as a possible upgrade. > > >can i loop on the 500 and have my guitar playing through? > yes > > >tremolo + rotation > trems excellent > rotations very good > (can only be better than the MPX100) > > >pitch shift MPX1 > the fact this uses up processing power could be a sign it works well, > ... the pitch on the MPX100 only works well on single note I/P > possibly the MPX500 is the same. > > Basically I reckon the MPX1 is much more powerful than the 500, > it belongs in a higher price bracket than the 500. > ...but the 500 is newer (&cheaper) > > if the loop facility in the 500 is identical to the 100, then it may > share the problems, I'd suggest you try out an infinite loop > while receiving midi-clock and see if the signal degrades. > > > > > Andy Butler > Lexicon Vortex Database > http://members.aol.com/soundfnr/vortex.htm _______________________________________________________ Get 100% FREE Internet Access powered by Excite Visit http://freeworld.excite.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Mar 10 14:26:38 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA00742; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 14:26:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 14:26:38 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000310190739.49512.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [205.155.29.134] From: "David Potter" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Interesting... Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 11:07:39 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"ufuKI2.0.Sz6.UWKou"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12805 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Yes I agree....Larry Trembly=delete >From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >To: >Subject: Re: Interesting... >Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 09:33:47 -0800 > >Ok folks- this has gone far enough- 20+ posts in a day is getting old- 0% >Looping content etc- take it off list PLEASE- > >Cliff > >-----Original Message----- >From: dan mcmullen >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Date: Friday, March 10, 2000 9:27 AM >Subject: Re: Interesting... > > > >At 02:14 PM 3/10/00 +0000, johnmcc@aldiscon.ie wrote: > >>[Larry:] > >>> On the otherhand, religion is a closed book, it's dogma > >>> rarely (if ever) open to questioning and revision. > >> > >>Yep, and a pity .. I've often felt that there may be more to be gained >from > >>understanding the questions than from the possible answer .. > > > >would it be more accurate to say "religion, *as often promoted by western > >religions instututions*, is a closed book"? i believe religion *can* >(and > >should?) be open to questioning and revision. > > > >thanks to all for their contributions to this fascinating thread, > >dan > >___ > >dan mcmullen, ca, usa don't worry - pay attention > >mailto:dog@well.com 707-485-0220 > >pgp fingerprint = 1C70 8D81 6B94 93A9 F2D8 9609 2122 BF70 8619 EDAF > > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Mar 10 14:48:27 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA07398; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 14:48:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 14:48:27 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <7BAC931E644ED211A90C00805F65CB640282E11A@georgia.exchange.indiana.edu> From: "Taaffe, Denis G" To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: OT (or maybe not) National Endowment of the Arts... Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 14:26:48 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <"yJVbt1.0.2W.OpKou"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12806 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I'll make sure to let all the disribution lists I sent it to that's it's a hoax, now you tell me ....ahhahah kidding of course.... denis -----Original Message----- From: Unit Circle Media [mailto:unitcirc@unitcircle.com] Sent: Friday, March 10, 2000 12:25 PM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: OT (or maybe not) National Endowment of the Arts... This is a hoax, please do not forward to anyone! Kevin Kevin Goldsmith kevin@unitcircle.com Unit Circle Media http://www.unitcircle.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Mar 10 15:21:30 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA15798; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 15:21:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 15:21:30 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Hawkeye255@aol.com Message-ID: <17.2c95827.25fa91a6@aol.com> Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 12:57:58 EST Subject: Re: Interesting... To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 66 Resent-Message-ID: <"HjdDQ2.0.cV2.fFLou"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12807 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com << 0% Looping content etc- take it off list PLEASE- >> I think this thread is germaine to our list. Thank you very much. hawkeye From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Mar 10 16:02:55 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA27334; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 16:02:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 16:02:55 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <008501bf8acb$5d0d2540$69da583f@oemcomputer> From: "Illfusion" To: Subject: Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 15:01:02 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0082_01BF8AA1.737553E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"Pa1Iu1.0.Tr2.9LLou"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12808 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0082_01BF8AA1.737553E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable why do i get like 100 e mails a day??????? ------=_NextPart_000_0082_01BF8AA1.737553E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
why do i get like 100 e mails a=20 day???????
------=_NextPart_000_0082_01BF8AA1.737553E0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Mar 10 16:06:01 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA30299; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 10:18:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 10:18:19 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.20000310151103.0068b8e0@pop.pipeline.com> X-Sender: lerocher@pop.pipeline.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 10:11:03 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Christine Bard Subject: RE:re Ineresting... Resent-Message-ID: <"DBCBA3.0.t-6.s2Hou"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12785 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Liebig, Steuart A." >... "the universe is more like music than matter" - > in that "the universe is a whole constituted by an incredibly complex > web of communication that relates everything to everything else". > > ** almost sounds like pseudo-scientific mombo-jumbo a la buddhism or > hinduism . . . > > stig ===The universe is more of a Mambo Jumbo.=== so there. tch.tch. > > Christine Bard 0~>~<>~><~<>~<~0 Whoever controls the media - the images - controls the culture. - Allen Ginsberg, 1926-1997 From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Mar 10 17:09:33 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA11617; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 17:09:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 17:09:33 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38C9593C.D81CB723@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 12:21:29 -0800 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Interesting... References: <1.5.4.32.20000310045026.00670a54@pop.pipeline.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"WQvQO3.0.DY3.GYLou"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12809 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Christine Bard wrote: > I lost my first version of this reply, trying to read back on old entries, > in case I was covering old trodden ground, then deleted w/ no save. But I > still wanted to tell about my experience playing "Castor and Pollux" on the > original Harry Partch instruments. --Mostly because, inspired by the above > response, I'd like to add that I think it is the job of the composer to > make the music reach the state that is referred to here. (It's not a job > that is often fulfilled, but the attempt should be made in earnest.)... very cool post. thanks for sharing it :-). i've been in love with that piece since i first heard it in high school! lance g. "once upon a time there was a little boy and he went outside." -anonymous (from preface to 2nd edition of genesis of a music) From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Mar 10 17:51:34 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA21723; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 17:51:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 17:51:34 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <001501bf8ad2$0dbe3e00$69da583f@oemcomputer> From: "Illfusion" To: Subject: Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 15:48:54 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0012_01BF8AA8.239A0B20" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"Na_8.0.qv5.u1Mou"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12810 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0012_01BF8AA8.239A0B20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable can you please stop sending me fucking e-mails!!!!!! ------=_NextPart_000_0012_01BF8AA8.239A0B20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
can you please stop sending me fucking=20 e-mails!!!!!!
------=_NextPart_000_0012_01BF8AA8.239A0B20-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Mar 10 18:55:23 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA04254; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 18:55:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 18:55:23 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 14:04:14 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Chris Chovit Subject: Re: Interesting... Resent-Message-ID: <"5vmmZ3.0.jS2.34Nou"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12811 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Perhaps some better forums for this discussion might be: alt.philoshophy alt.religion alt.group.for.people.who.give.a.shit.about.other.peoples.belief.systems Thanks to Ken R. for the following quote (i was hoping this statement would bring an end to this thread...) >If you get something meaningful from it, and I mean this sincerely, more >power to you. But like the more over-zealous followers of any of these >religions you find so offensive, you're making a mistake if you think it >applies to anyone's reality but your own. -chris From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Mar 10 19:39:42 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA15857; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 19:39:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 19:39:42 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <00ab01bf8ae0$53668bc0$e696adce@hideo> From: "hideo" To: References: <17001-38C8E57A-341@storefull-161.iap.bryant.webtv.net> <38C91B9B.F9EFA3B3@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: dl4 = midi Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 16:31:05 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <"_OH5k2.0.mM4.9XNou"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12813 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com ALSO-- preferred pieces for circuit bending are inexpensive kid's toys and beater effects pedals--I treat my $250 pedals (especially the ones with chips) with care and rarely probe their insides with alligator clips . . . my Korg Octave pedal on the other hand . . . drone on~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Tom Lambrecht ----- Original Message ----- From: George Van Wagner To: Sent: Friday, March 10, 2000 9:58 AM Subject: Re: dl4 = midi > Remember that pretty much everything that's going on in the DL4 is > happening in the digital world, and the signal goes directly from the > DAC to the output op amp, so, as interesting as Reed's 'anti-theory' is, > I don't think you'll make much headway on this particular piece of gear. > > George > > Dan Koontz wrote: > > > > I heard about someone thinking about modifying a dl4. A suggestion I > > would have is to try circuit-bending it. SNIP From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Mar 10 20:06:31 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA22602; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 20:06:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 20:06:31 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <33.249c8c7.25fad5f1@aol.com> Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 17:49:21 EST Subject: Re: Interesting... To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 61 Resent-Message-ID: <"-Clxv2.0.FH5.MmNou"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12814 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 3/10/00 2:55:48 AM Mid-Atlantic Standard Time, lerocher@pipeline.com writes: << its taking a shower in our own dna >> wow.......thanks.........michael From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Mar 10 20:17:34 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA25148; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 20:17:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 20:17:34 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <001601bf8adf$5c1e6860$e37179a5@cliff> From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" To: Subject: Re: Interesting... Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 14:23:22 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Resent-Message-ID: <"oV4BW.0.uW3.6LNou"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12812 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Good for you- I don't - Thank you very much- and it's "germane" by the way- (I had to look it up) ;) -----Original Message----- From: Hawkeye255@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Friday, March 10, 2000 12:43 PM Subject: Re: Interesting... ><< 0% Looping content etc- take it off list PLEASE- >> > >I think this thread is germaine to our list. Thank you very much. > > hawkeye > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Mar 10 20:19:01 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA25343; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 20:19:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 20:19:01 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Sender: r_t_cummings@compuserve.com Message-ID: <38C8C7B4.4050125E@compuserve.com> Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 11:00:20 +0100 From: Cummings X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [de] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers Delight Subject: electrixity ... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <"RiVSr.0.aY6.B5Oou"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12816 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com ladies and gentlemen, iiiiiiiiiit's the larry tremblay show!!! an idea: LET'S GET BACK TO GEAR! enuff of this theory-wanking bs ... well then ... i've been using the electrix filter factory and mofx for the last coupla weeks and there really enjoyable. these two are really tailor-suited to rhythmic looping - complete midi time-sync and midi parameter saving to sequences etc. i was asking a while back about the sherman filterbank but i'm really sold on the filter factory now. anyway i just wanted to recommend some good tools for making music ... btw: i'm tending towards zen-lunatism right now ... á plus tard, robert ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ -l'homme du câble- http://themancable.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Mar 10 20:18:56 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA25328; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 20:18:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 20:18:56 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <001601bf8ae4$8f8b2260$d4da583f@oemcomputer> From: "Illfusion" To: Subject: what's with the e-mails Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 18:01:24 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0013_01BF8ABA.A605A080" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"6U0Ex2.0.SD6.6-Nou"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12815 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01BF8ABA.A605A080 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ya so i got like 94 e-mails in like three hours....sup??? ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01BF8ABA.A605A080 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
ya so i got like 94 e-mails in like = three=20 hours....sup???
------=_NextPart_000_0013_01BF8ABA.A605A080-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Mar 10 20:27:00 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA28476; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 20:27:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 20:27:00 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <002301bf8aeb$eaf90840$d4da583f@oemcomputer> From: "Illfusion" To: Subject: sorry!!!!!! Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 18:54:04 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0020_01BF8AC2.015995C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"JbjjQ2.0.0I1.XlOou"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12819 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0020_01BF8AC2.015995C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable sorry everyone and thanx for the advice i had no clue that my girlfriend = signed me up for this mailing list!!! i am an idiot ------=_NextPart_000_0020_01BF8AC2.015995C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
sorry everyone and thanx for the advice = i had no=20 clue that my girlfriend signed me up for this mailing list!!! i am an=20 idiot
------=_NextPart_000_0020_01BF8AC2.015995C0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Mar 10 20:38:26 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA31926; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 20:38:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 20:38:26 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38C9337B.661EB546@texas.net> Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 17:40:14 +0000 From: Bobdog/Doghouse Audio Laboratory X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Randism (was: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V00 #73 References: <17004-38C8E209-32@storefull-161.iap.bryant.webtv.net> <002f01bf8a9e$fb792670$7c310140@concentric.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"NHt743.0.z4.vUOou"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12818 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com can any of the pro-rand objectivists explain why her novels female leads always like rapesex? always seemed weird to me. bobdog From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Mar 10 20:25:50 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA28366; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 20:25:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 20:25:50 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <020601bf8aee$5b588280$5a05020a@beelzejuice.mecasw.com> Reply-To: "Ken M" From: "Ken Melms" To: Subject: Re: Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 19:11:29 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0203_01BF8AC4.708BB390" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 Resent-Message-ID: <"KvJVs3.0.cw1.ouOou"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12820 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0203_01BF8AC4.708BB390 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Try "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the subject line.. You're on a LIST, which means we = ALL get the same Email. Ken -----Original Message----- From: Illfusion To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Friday, March 10, 2000 6:29 PM =20 =20 can you please stop sending me fucking e-mails!!!!!! ------=_NextPart_000_0203_01BF8AC4.708BB390 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Try "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the = subject=20 line.. You're on a LIST, which means we ALL get the same = Email.
 
Ken
 
-----Original = Message-----
From:=20 Illfusion <illfusion@lamere.net>
T= o:=20 Loopers-Delight@annihilist= .com=20 <Loopers-Delight@annihilist= .com>
Date:=20 Friday, March 10, 2000 6:29 PM

can you please stop sending me = fucking=20 e-mails!!!!!!
------=_NextPart_000_0203_01BF8AC4.708BB390-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Mar 10 20:48:32 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA02997; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 20:48:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 20:48:32 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <001f01bf8af1$9400e020$87cc44c6@net.tstar.net> From: "Ronda Turner" To: References: <001501bf8ad2$0dbe3e00$69da583f@oemcomputer> Subject: Re: Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 18:34:35 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001C_01BF8ABF.48ADCE80" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: <"D07nD3.0.1E4.QUPou"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12821 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001C_01BF8ABF.48ADCE80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable No! ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Illfusion=20 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com=20 Sent: Friday, March 10, 2000 2:48 PM can you please stop sending me fucking e-mails!!!!!! ------=_NextPart_000_001C_01BF8ABF.48ADCE80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
No!
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Illfusion=20
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com=
Sent: Friday, March 10, 2000 = 2:48=20 PM

can you please stop sending me = fucking=20 e-mails!!!!!!
------=_NextPart_000_001C_01BF8ABF.48ADCE80-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Mar 10 20:46:21 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA01844; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 20:46:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 20:46:21 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <004d01bf8ae9$440a9320$66310140@concentric.net> From: "Larry Tremblay" To: References: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C41302E2@migarexch01.maritz.com> Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V00 #73 Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 18:35:04 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"nbloy.0.7i7.ENOou"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12817 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > I strongly suggest you look into Objectivism, the > philosophy of Ayn Rand. > > > ** which, as ken r pointed out, strikes me as a religion of sorts. complete > with messianic figure and evangelical zeal. True, there is indeed a cultish fringe to the Ayn Rand phenomenon. But that's true of everything and beside the point. It does not invalidate Objectivism, not does it necessarily follow from it. Cultists would be cultists regardless whether the messianic figure is Marx, Jesus, Buddha, Ayn Rand or Elvis. Some folks are simply waiting for the right thing to set them off. - Larry From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Mar 10 21:02:45 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA06128; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 21:02:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 21:02:45 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 20:38:41 EST Subject: Re: what's with the e-mails To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 61 Resent-Message-ID: <"Oe6nf3.0._q7.3FQou"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12822 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 3/10/00 11:19:17 PM Mid-Atlantic Standard Time, illfusion@lamere.net writes: << ya so i got like 94 e-mails in like three hours....sup??? >> did the prozac kick in?...........no swearing on this post.............m From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Mar 10 21:11:18 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA08731; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 21:11:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 21:11:18 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38C9A875.93D2DC19@best.com> Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 17:59:17 -0800 From: Allan Hoeltje X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: sorry!!!!!! References: <002301bf8aeb$eaf90840$d4da583f@oemcomputer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Pusmf3.0.nS1.wZQou"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12823 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Well, now that we've made you loopy, you'll fit right in! ;-) Allan Illfusion wrote: > sorry everyone and thanx for the advice i had no clue that my > girlfriend signed me up for this mailing list!!! i am an idiot From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Mar 10 21:34:26 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA14359; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 21:34:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 21:34:26 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <001201bf8b02$480a8e30$1e310140@concentric.net> From: "John Galt" To: References: <17004-38C8E209-32@storefull-161.iap.bryant.webtv.net> <002f01bf8a9e$fb792670$7c310140@concentric.net> <38C9337B.661EB546@texas.net> Subject: Re: Randism (was: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V00 #73 Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 21:34:08 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"AmAp_.0.OP3.5_Qou"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12824 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > can any of the pro-rand objectivists explain why her > novels female leads always like rapesex? > > always seemed weird to me. I always thought that was kinda odd too. Barbara Branden (Nathaniel's Ex) wrote an expose of sorts, called "The Passion of Ayn Rand", which shed some light on some of Ayn's quirks and motivations. Apparently, Ayn's fictional 'rapesex' fantasies were an extreme - politically/psychologically-charged - form of man-worship, an expression of an ideal dominant male she yearned for in real life. Her hubby Frank was rather meek compared to Ayn (but who isn't, right?). If you're curious and don't have time for the book. There's a recent film about Ayn, based on "The Passion...", which did very well at Canne, btw. - Larry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bobdog/Doghouse Audio Laboratory" To: Sent: Friday, March 10, 2000 12:40 PM Subject: Randism (was: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V00 #73 > > bobdog > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Mar 11 02:04:38 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA19998; Sat, 11 Mar 2000 02:04:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 02:04:38 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <002d01bf8b26$e72d7f80$4d22dacf@sgoodman> Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: <17004-38C8E209-32@storefull-161.iap.bryant.webtv.net> <002f01bf8a9e$fb792670$7c310140@concentric.net> <38C9337B.661EB546@texas.net> <001201bf8b02$480a8e30$1e310140@concentric.net> Subject: Mixer Comments Solicitation... Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 22:56:16 -0800 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"ek1Eh2.0.oK4.XuUou"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12825 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Greets folks, and welcome back to the list. :) I'm on the edge of a new mixer purchase next week, and have seen Tascam, Mackie, and Behringer 12-track mixers. Tascam has an obvious name recognition factor here, though I more remember their tape decks than their mixers... And I like sliders, as the interior-lit knob type units are far out of my price range (under $350). Basically I want something I can be next to and work on without too much detraction of why I'm there: to play the frigging music...! Tanks, and back to the show. Stephen Goodman (The Loop of the Week and New Music Now) EarthLight Productions * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios.html From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Mar 11 03:18:23 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA03021; Sat, 11 Mar 2000 03:18:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 03:18:23 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38C9F75D.39059E26@quik.com> Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 23:35:57 -0800 From: "Rev. Doubt-Goat" Reply-To: dgoat@sekhetmaat.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: The broken string References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"AOjUr2.0.Yy6.oeVou"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12826 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com 93 I did indeed break a string. I did indeed play the broken string. I did indeed loop the playing of the broken string. Indeed, it kicks ass, yea, it kicks ass. 93 Rev. Doubt-Goat From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Mar 11 03:51:30 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA09943; Sat, 11 Mar 2000 03:51:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 03:51:30 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000311082226.11824.qmail@web122.yahoomail.com> Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 00:22:26 -0800 (PST) From: John Tidwell Subject: Re: Lexicon mpx 1 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"PbFhV2.0.e01.99Wou"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12827 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I recall that someone on the list reported that they had been in touch with Lexicon about that very thing. The answer was no. Would you mind answering some questions? I've been considering one of these. 1) What is the slowest speed of the independent LFOs & what waveforms are available? 2) I recall reading that it has a Random Function Generator. Is this the same as a random LFO? How "random" is it? 3) Do you find the arpeggiator useful? Does it actually send out midi note messages? 4) Are the reverbs as good as you expected? Thanks for any info you can provide. John --- magicicada@mindspring.com wrote: > Hi all I have a lexicon mpx 1 and I was wondering if > there is a way to increase the looping time on the > lexi> anyone know? > regards, > c.white > > > ===== John Tidwell __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Mar 11 05:21:34 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA30907; Sat, 11 Mar 2000 05:21:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 05:21:34 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhUAx3HtQ0XrQGoeBIdQeOMciJeST28CFFbX3erCqMbAYOxkj6lJQyTkSN/V From: DanKoontz@webtv.net (Dan Koontz) Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 01:37:04 -0800 (PST) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V00 #73 Message-ID: <21301-38CA13C0-3849@storefull-164.iap.bryant.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: "Larry Tremblay" 's message of Fri, 10 Mar 2000 09:43:19 -0500 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Resent-Message-ID: <"BAC_Z3.0.255.3FXou"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12828 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Larry, I'm curious, how did Ayn Rand turn you on to Helmholst? I'm not very familiar with his work/musical ideas, are there any books/albums of his that you would recommend? Thanks, - Dan From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Mar 11 09:14:42 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA14343; Sat, 11 Mar 2000 09:14:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 09:14:42 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38CA4FD3.CF146B55@clockworkgroup.no> Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 14:53:24 +0100 From: mark red Reply-To: mark.red@clockworkgroup.no X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Maybe a neat Vortex trick? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"qbVi4.0.D52.Ntaou"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12829 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com VORTEX USERS: Just had a brainwave, maybe its an old trick that I havent heard of, and if so, does it work? if I just came up with it, and it works can we call it Francotronics? We all know about the synching possibilities of an edp, but how to totally synchronise a Vortex to...say a drum loop/machine, so that if you stopped playing on a looping register/patch the loop would stay tight to the drumloop/machine that you were playing to. After a while if you havent tapped the loop length EXACTLY right (impossible) the loop WILL go out with the drum loop.So you could continue to tap the beat with your foot to attempt to keep the loop with the drumloop, well this don't work either, Ive tried, BUT WHAT IF the foot switch imput was...errr...switched by a silent loop (not routed to the mixing desk) that is exactly the same length as the drum loop, and has a "click" on the downbeat. On the edp this can be achieved, because the tap input can accept a audio signal to trigger it, I havent tried with the Vortex yet if this would work, probably not, BUT if the "audible click loop" was used to switch a relay type switch, would this work? If it did then the Vortex would become ...oh like a million times more useful to me. Its an awsome device for the frippy stuff (and a whole lot more, but ambient isnt really my thang, more the opposite, those crazy f***ed up sounds that some of the weirder patches can make would really com into their own if they were tight with cool drums and sequencing... Just a thought, if anyones tried it, let me know how you got on, if not then I'll try to suss it out myself ( Not really being a electronix whizz, or an anything whizz actually) MArk Francombe Red From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Mar 11 09:49:44 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA22561; Sat, 11 Mar 2000 09:49:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 09:49:44 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 09:15:38 EST Subject: Re: dl4 = midi To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 32 Resent-Message-ID: <"kxfb5.0.te3.RKbou"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12831 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 10/03/00 16:10:49 GMT Standard Time, vanwag@earthlink.net writes: > I heard about someone thinking about modifying a dl4. A suggestion I > > would have is to try circuit-bending it. If you're not familiar with > > this, go to your favorite search engine and look up "Reed Ghazala", or > > "circuit bending". I've modified lots of cheap toys using this and have > > come upon some amaaazing sounds! "Sound on Sound" (UK mag) this month has an interview with Ghazala also review of DL4 From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Mar 11 09:56:17 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA23815; Sat, 11 Mar 2000 09:56:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 09:56:17 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <37.2624420.25fbaf0d@aol.com> Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 09:15:41 EST Subject: Re: Lexicon mpx 1 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 32 Resent-Message-ID: <"10MkW1.0.mm3.oKbou"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12832 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 10/03/00 14:19:29 GMT Standard Time, magicicada@mindspring.com writes: > Hi all I have a lexicon mpx 1 and I was wondering if there is a way to > increase the looping time on the lexi> anyone know? > regards, > c.white don't think you can, ..........but can you tell us does it audiomorph like the Vortex From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Mar 11 09:58:08 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA24947; Sat, 11 Mar 2000 09:58:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 09:58:08 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <64.ef0d81.25fbaf0c@aol.com> Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 09:15:40 EST Subject: Re: Interesting... To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 32 Resent-Message-ID: <"Nk1783.0.tX3.IKbou"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12830 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > > As I understand it, quantum events have no "real" effect at the > > macro level > > Yep, Nope, for instance there's a device called the 'tunnel diode' which wouldn't work according to classical type physics it exhibits negative resistance under the right circumstances probably good for circuit bending. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Mar 11 10:06:57 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA26781; Sat, 11 Mar 2000 10:06:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 10:06:57 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Dpcoffin@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 09:28:43 EST Subject: Re: RE: Interesting... To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Mac - Post-GM sub 66 Resent-Message-ID: <"QlXIM.0.8O4.zWbou"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12833 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 3/9/00 1:25:54 PM, artmusic@gte.net writes: >'when every note you play is right, and you can't play a wrong one.' YES! THIS is the state that's hooked me to my guitar and looping tools. The regular recurrance of this jubilant state when I'm lucky enough to be in its path suggests to me that perhaps our basic nature as humans is that we are "lenses" focusing unseen energies into the material world, all the time. For those of us who choose musical tools, we can occasionally get out of our own way enough that we can actually hear the process happening. Many writers speak of being written thru. But I think it goes way beyond artistic expression. I'm sure it's a basic human experience in every kind of endeavor, conscious and unconscious. David From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Mar 11 10:12:16 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA28204; Sat, 11 Mar 2000 10:12:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 10:12:16 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Dpcoffin@aol.com Message-ID: <4.1af102a.25fbb520@aol.com> Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 09:41:36 EST Subject: Re: Interesting... To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Mac - Post-GM sub 66 Resent-Message-ID: <"Vx1ND.0.lz4.oibou"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12834 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 3/9/00 8:13:46 PM, ltct@concentric.net writes: >On the otherhand, religion is a closed book, >it's dogma rarely (if ever) open to questioning and revision. Agree that most organized religions are in this mold, but it's hard to find a more dogmatic, self-sealed soul than your garden-variety scientific materialist. dpc From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Mar 11 11:57:44 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA18638; Sat, 11 Mar 2000 11:57:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 11:57:44 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 16:24:40 +0000 Subject: Couple of queries... From: Graham Pattison To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4.1af102a.25fbb520@aol.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"UDqHC.0.V93.VFdou"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12835 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Dear all, Has anyone any experience of running the echoplex units in stereo? I've been luck enough to [pick up two units and are running them in stereo, but for some reason the gain structure required for the two uynits is completely different. Any ideas? Also I'm using an EWrnie BAll Stereo Pan/Volume pedal which is cool but when I'm in Pan mode the signal disappears when it is in the central position. Must be a phase problem but how? Any help appreciated. Graham. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Mar 11 12:39:44 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA27799; Sat, 11 Mar 2000 12:39:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 12:39:44 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000311170627.18969.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [165.227.138.57] From: "David Potter" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V00 #73 Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 09:06:27 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"USM2S1.0.565.pqdou"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12836 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com SSSSooooooo howz the looping going Larry? Put this thread to sleep!!!PLEASE! OOOOOOOOOOOOOOmmmmmm and Out and Looping >From: "Larry Tremblay" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >To: >Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V00 #73 >Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 18:35:04 -0500 > > > I strongly suggest you look into Objectivism, the > > philosophy of Ayn Rand. > > > > > > ** which, as ken r pointed out, strikes me as a religion of sorts. >complete > > with messianic figure and evangelical zeal. > >True, there is indeed a cultish fringe to the Ayn Rand >phenomenon. But that's true of everything and beside >the point. It does not invalidate Objectivism, not does >it necessarily follow from it. Cultists would be cultists >regardless whether the messianic figure is Marx, Jesus, >Buddha, Ayn Rand or Elvis. > >Some folks are simply waiting for the right thing to set >them off. > >- Larry > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Mar 11 14:22:02 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA18470; Sat, 11 Mar 2000 14:22:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 14:22:02 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <002401bf8b8a$d0850730$59310140@concentric.net> From: "Larry Tremblay" To: References: <64.ef0d81.25fbaf0c@aol.com> Subject: Re: Interesting... Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 13:51:29 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"jH-tg3.0.FT2.OJfou"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12837 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > > > As I understand it, quantum events have no "real" effect at the > > > macro level > > > > Yep, > Nope, > for instance there's a device called the 'tunnel diode' > which wouldn't work according to classical type physics > it exhibits negative resistance under the right circumstances > probably good for circuit bending. > But aren't you talking about the quantum effect in electrons? They're subatomic, not macro-level, phenomena. Just curious... - Larry From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Mar 11 14:31:54 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA20898; Sat, 11 Mar 2000 14:31:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 14:31:54 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <002e01bf8b8c$805fd670$59310140@concentric.net> From: "Larry Tremblay" To: References: <20000311170627.18969.qmail@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V00 #73 Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 14:03:34 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"lDf3Z.0.MK3.iUfou"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12838 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Yes, p-p-p-please! :-) On the looping front, I'm awaiting delivery of my fourth RDS-7.6. I've already purchased a FX-17 volume pedal for it, and I'm quite excited to get the complete system up-and-running. I've configured a mult on my patchbay that allows me to selectively send the input signal to any and all FX at once. Woo-hoo! - Larry (on-topic for a change) > SSSSooooooo howz the looping going Larry? Put this thread to > sleep!!!PLEASE! > OOOOOOOOOOOOOOmmmmmm and Out and Looping > > >From: "Larry Tremblay" > >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > >To: > >Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V00 #73 > >Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 18:35:04 -0500 > > > > > I strongly suggest you look into Objectivism, the > > > philosophy of Ayn Rand. > > > > > > > > > ** which, as ken r pointed out, strikes me as a religion of sorts. > >complete > > > with messianic figure and evangelical zeal. > > > >True, there is indeed a cultish fringe to the Ayn Rand > >phenomenon. But that's true of everything and beside > >the point. It does not invalidate Objectivism, not does > >it necessarily follow from it. Cultists would be cultists > >regardless whether the messianic figure is Marx, Jesus, > >Buddha, Ayn Rand or Elvis. > > > >Some folks are simply waiting for the right thing to set > >them off. > > > >- Larry > > > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Mar 11 16:02:44 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA10158; Sat, 11 Mar 2000 16:02:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 16:02:44 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000311155422.007c1720@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 15:54:22 -0500 To: Loopers-delight@annihilist.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Found Sound Chain-Letter CD still available! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"iSvyZ3.0.7t1.-8hou"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12839 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com One more chance! >Subject: Found Sound Chain-Letter CD now available! >Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2000 20:55:50 PST > >Hi everyone! > >We just finished making a CD completely of Found Sounds (previously existing >media and recordings, sometimes including our own older recordings. > >The following artists, mostly from Loopers Delight, are included on this CD: > >Tim Nelson >David Cooper Orton >Josh Pyorre >Raul Bonell Tomas >Echovirus (aka Rob Switzer) >Michael Klobuchar >Superfluid (aka Morgan Hamilton Lang) >Dennis Leas >and myself (Matt Davignon) > >Come! Hear us all bark at the challenge of using no real instruments for an >entire disc! > >You can download the entire (or just some - your choice) contents of the CD >at > > >or just get there the easy way by going to > > > >You can also order the disc for the unheard-of low price of $5 per disc. >(It's a full length disc if you were wondering). Contact me via e-mail if >you want one. > >Matt Davignon From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Mar 11 16:51:27 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA21845; Sat, 11 Mar 2000 16:51:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 16:51:27 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <007501bf8ba4$6384acc0$c82a9d3e@oemcomputer> From: L.Angulo@t-online.de (Luis Angulo) To: References: Subject: Re: Couple of queries... Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 22:53:48 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Sender: 320086123907-0001@t-dialin.net Resent-Message-ID: <"Buhao3.0.cG5.axhou"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12840 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hello Graham, were did you buy the units? > Dear all, > Has anyone any experience of running the echoplex units in stereo? > I've been luck enough to [pick up two units and are running them in stereo, > but for some reason the gain structure required for the two uynits is > completely different. Any ideas? > Also I'm using an EWrnie BAll Stereo Pan/Volume pedal which is cool but when > I'm in Pan mode the signal disappears when it is in the central position. > Must be a phase problem but how? > Any help appreciated. > Graham. > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Mar 11 17:19:18 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA29273; Sat, 11 Mar 2000 17:19:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 17:19:18 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: KRosser414@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 17:03:38 EST Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V00 #76 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 61 Resent-Message-ID: <"Kyf3s2.0.MF6.UBiou"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12841 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 3/10/00 5:18:53 PM Pacific Standard Time, Loopers-Delight-d-request@annihilist.com writes: << I happen to know a good number of self-proclaimed liberals (who also happen to consider themselves intellectuals - what a surprise!) I consider myself to be pretty liberal politically. I do not consider myself to be an intellectual. I spoke of intellectual properties or functions, assuming it to mean "those that the intellect engages in", not that such practices were exclusively the domain of 'intellectuals' per se. >who have the standard knee-jerk reaction to Ayn Rand I don't think it was 'knee-jerk', I did honestly try keep an open mind about a lot of it. Ironically, I felt like the unspoken message I was getting from a lot of it was to close my mind. > Perhaps so-called liberals just can't > stand the idea of an individual sometimes being more important than the >so-called Whole? I don't doubt for a second a great number of people feel this way. I just don't think it's the most productive way for a society to function. >Sorry folks, it's necessary on most occasions to rise up above the norm; etc, etc, etc Sorry, man, this is the kind of elitist double-talk that really turned me off to the whole thing. I think in many ways these people that you're feeling so superior to have a lot more going on than the one(s) doing the so-called "rising". > Rand's portrayal of those Other Than The Individual in "The Fountainhead" is > probably what originally pissed off liberals though It doesn't really piss me off, that would require me devoting far more energy toward it than it's worth, frankly. I just think it's useless as a philosophy. I'm turned off by the facistic narrow-mindedness that it seems to require of its followers, so I just try to avoid them and go about my own way. > If you don't think there's a difference between people who create, and those > who don't, perhaps it's one's own lack of creativity that urges such (ahem) > SPURIOUS thinking. Meaning specifically, MY lack of creativity? There's one argument I'm not even going to touch... Despite you wanting to wage a 'class war' of sorts between those that create and those that don't, I invite you to consider two things: 1) unless you want an audience of artists only, this relationship is symbiotic, and 2) All people of all walks of life have and exercise creativity in their daily lives in many ways. Most of them just aren't so friggin' precious and pompous about it. Since I've read here a few times that this thread is losing interest on a list that has nothing to do with this subject, and frankly I see little that's more useless in the grand scheme of things than an ersatz philosophical discussion via internet (as entertaining as this has been), I have work to do and kids to take care of. If you want to send me something off list, I'll welcome it and get to it when I can, but as for this list it's back to lurker status for me. Since I know from personal experience that's it's vitally important to Objectivists that there be a clear-cut winner and loser in every discussion, take this forfeit however you like... Hakuna Matata :-) Ken R From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Mar 11 18:36:09 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA13229; Sat, 11 Mar 2000 18:36:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 18:36:09 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 15:27:59 -0800 From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Couple of queries... In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <4.1af102a.25fbb520@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: <"9vH9E3.0.Zw2.9Rjou"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12842 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 8:24 AM -0800 3/11/00, Graham Pattison wrote: >Dear all, >Has anyone any experience of running the echoplex units in stereo? >I've been luck enough to [pick up two units and are running them in stereo, >but for some reason the gain structure required for the two uynits is >completely different. Any ideas? Graham- Older echoplex units had a gain structure that tended to have too much input gain, and not enough output. It was trickier to set the input/output gains right without clipping the loop or having it seem too quiet. A few years ago, they changed that so the input was much easier to set and the output could reach a higher output level. This is a really simple mod, it just requires changing two resistors on the circuit board if you want to do it. I've got this on the Echoplex FAQ at the Looper's Delight echoplex pages, follow this link to go right there: http://www.annihilist.com/loop/tools/echoplex/FAQ6.html#Anchor-47383 kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Mar 11 19:14:53 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA22835; Sat, 11 Mar 2000 19:14:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 19:14:53 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000312001027.9400.qmail@web3405.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 16:10:27 -0800 (PST) From: Aaron Schindler Subject: no-looping To: looper list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"7eBbm3.0.1I5.J2kou"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12843 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I tried to play in a traditional (no-looping) band situation yesterday- and I realized I sort of forgot how. This is after having a DL4 for 2 months. How long does it take to completly lose touch and just stay locked in the attic with all your gear, never interfacing with "normal" humans again? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Mar 11 21:56:25 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA28501; Sat, 11 Mar 2000 21:56:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 21:56:25 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38CB05F3.A3AD1281@quik.com> Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 18:50:27 -0800 From: "Rev. Doubt-Goat" Reply-To: dgoat@sekhetmaat.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Interesting... References: <64.ef0d81.25fbaf0c@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"INZff2.0.Cc6.iOmou"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12844 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com 93 SoundFNR@aol.com wrote: > > > > As I understand it, quantum events have no "real" effect at the > > > macro level > > > > Yep, > Nope, > for instance there's a device called the 'tunnel diode' > which wouldn't work according to classical type physics > it exhibits negative resistance under the right circumstances > probably good for circuit bending. Also, don't forget that light is the ultimate quantum mechanical event, and we have devices to detect such quantum events: eyes. 93 Rev. Doubt-Goat From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Mar 11 22:01:41 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA29912; Sat, 11 Mar 2000 22:01:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 22:01:41 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000312025455.48835.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [63.195.54.82] From: "matt davignon" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: no-looping Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 18:54:55 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"Cyu6Y2.0.sj6.ZSmou"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12845 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com What do you mean? What are these "humans" things? >From: Aaron Schindler >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >To: looper list >Subject: no-looping >Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 16:10:27 -0800 (PST) > >I tried to play in a traditional (no-looping) band >situation yesterday- and I realized I sort of forgot >how. This is after having a DL4 for 2 months. How long >does it take to completly lose touch and just stay >locked in the attic with all your gear, never >interfacing with "normal" humans again? >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. >http://im.yahoo.com > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Mar 11 23:55:19 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA26591; Sat, 11 Mar 2000 23:55:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 23:55:19 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Phaedebk@aol.com Message-ID: <8.2418fe4.25fc77fc@aol.com> Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 23:33:00 EST Subject: Re: no-looping To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 33 Resent-Message-ID: <"5GzDb1.0.W55.Zunou"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12846 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Ouch! He's going into withdrawal! Careful, he might go from having a full room of electronics to going back to only using acoustic instruments (or even folk instruments) and having to play Irish music. No wait, this just happened to me. As for a time period to get over it... Hmmmmmm,.... can't really say... ^_^ Lee-ohki. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Mar 12 04:19:44 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA27217; Sun, 12 Mar 2000 04:19:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 04:19:44 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38CB5C85.DEBDD5EF@lyncon.se> Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 09:59:49 +0100 From: Ted Lyngmo Organization: Lyncon - Computer & Music Consulting X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: sv,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Korg D16 users mailinglist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"8b1kr.0.Lg5.worou"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12847 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi! You are welcome to join the Korg D16 users mailinglist. Just send a blank mailto:Korg_D16-subscribe@eGroups.com and you're in. Kind regards, Ted Lyngmo http://lyncon.da.ru From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Mar 12 09:42:03 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA30598; Sun, 12 Mar 2000 09:42:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 09:42:03 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000312141126.32660.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [165.227.130.204] From: "David Potter" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: no-looping...ears complete the loop Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 06:11:26 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"sK_id2.0.0p5.cMwou"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12848 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com If you pay attention LISTEN and don't play louder than the rest of the band, you should be fine....Playing with others for others is an important part of musical communication. If there are no ears to hear your music the music is incomplete...if a looper loops alone in the middle of the forrest will there be any sound? (if there's electricty)Om and Out >From: Aaron Schindler >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >To: looper list >Subject: no-looping >Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 16:10:27 -0800 (PST) > >I tried to play in a traditional (no-looping) band >situation yesterday- and I realized I sort of forgot >how. This is after having a DL4 for 2 months. How long >does it take to completly lose touch and just stay >locked in the attic with all your gear, never >interfacing with "normal" humans again? >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. >http://im.yahoo.com > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Mar 12 11:01:43 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA16662; Sun, 12 Mar 2000 11:01:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 11:01:43 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <002001bf8c37$957c3b60$3ada583f@oemcomputer> From: "Illfusion" To: Subject: Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 10:28:13 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001D_01BF8C0D.ABD3A120" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"MNuzX1.0.bJ2.MXxou"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12850 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01BF8C0D.ABD3A120 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable i to am a looper, and i'm very soyy for loosing it abou the emails it's = just that i never new where these peaple got my address but like i said = my better half who is also my "manager" thought it would be a good i dea = to be on this list ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01BF8C0D.ABD3A120 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
i to am a looper, and i'm very soyy for = loosing it=20 abou the emails it's just that i never new where these peaple got my = address but=20 like i said my better half who is also my "manager" thought it would be = a good i=20 dea to be on this list
 
------=_NextPart_000_001D_01BF8C0D.ABD3A120-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Mar 12 10:54:43 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA15184; Sun, 12 Mar 2000 10:54:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 10:54:43 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <000201bf8c35$8490ca20$3ada583f@oemcomputer> From: "Illfusion" To: Subject: unsubscribe Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 18:53:44 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000F_01BF8B8B.204D11E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"OBHo6.0.dQ1.OJxou"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12849 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01BF8B8B.204D11E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable unsubscribe ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01BF8B8B.204D11E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_000F_01BF8B8B.204D11E0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Mar 12 12:34:52 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA05146; Sun, 12 Mar 2000 12:34:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 12:34:52 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000312115211.007b4100@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 11:52:11 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: unsubscribe In-Reply-To: <000201bf8c35$8490ca20$3ada583f@oemcomputer> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"3frSl.0.we6.uhyou"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12851 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Umm, Mr. Fusion (or may I call you Ill), The reason your 'unsubscribe' request is not going through is because you're sending it to the wrong address. You're posting it to the mailing list when you should be sending it to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com. Read all about it at Good luck, Tim At 06:53 PM 3/11/00 -0500, you wrote: > unsubscribe From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Mar 12 13:54:41 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA23358; Sun, 12 Mar 2000 13:54:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 13:54:41 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 18:05:01 +0000 Subject: Re: Couple of queries... From: Graham Pattison To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <007501bf8ba4$6384acc0$c82a9d3e@oemcomputer> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"HVLjF3.0.v-2.Vpzou"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12852 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Ebay of course! Horrifically expensive...You'd be better off waiting for the reissues. So would I but couldn't wait any longer!! > From: L.Angulo@t-online.de (Luis Angulo) > Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 22:53:48 +0100 > To: > Subject: Re: Couple of queries... > Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 16:48:28 -0500 > > Hello Graham, > were did you buy the units? > >> Dear all, >> Has anyone any experience of running the echoplex units in stereo? >> I've been luck enough to [pick up two units and are running them in > stereo, >> but for some reason the gain structure required for the two uynits is >> completely different. Any ideas? >> Also I'm using an EWrnie BAll Stereo Pan/Volume pedal which is cool but > when >> I'm in Pan mode the signal disappears when it is in the central position. >> Must be a phase problem but how? >> Any help appreciated. >> Graham. >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Mar 12 14:06:46 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA26109; Sun, 12 Mar 2000 14:06:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 14:06:46 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.0 (1513) Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 10:38:36 -0800 Subject: Re: From: Andrew Pask To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002001bf8c37$957c3b60$3ada583f@oemcomputer> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3035702316_96027_MIME_Part" Resent-Message-ID: <"HOkac2.0.8Y4.iD-ou"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12853 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3035702316_96027_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Come right on in, sit in the circle, we know you're nervous, you don't have to talk straight away, we all come into the group with different stories but in here, we're all the same. Some of us, like you , are shy with our problem and have to make up stories about our managers subscribing us by mistake, others of us are more immediately needy and burst into sordid tales involving echoplex production delays and nightmares about wiring up a dl4.Others deny their innermost fears and thoughts with long sidetracks into "your karma ran over my dogma" style pronouncements on Quantum Physics and the relevance of Ayn Rand.But the truth is we're all here together in this big sharing group, loopers, Max abusers, analog junkies, Stratocaster players , singers ,and we CARE. i to am a looper, and i'm very soyy for loosing it abou the emails it's just that i never new where these peaple got my address but like i said my better half who is also my "manager" thought it would be a good i dea to be on this list --MS_Mac_OE_3035702316_96027_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re:
Come right on in, sit in the circle, we know you're nervous, yo= u don't have to talk straight away, we all come into the group with differen= t stories but in here, we're all the same.
Some of us, like you , are shy with our problem and have to make up stories= about our managers subscribing us by mistake,
others of us are more immediately needy and burst into  sordid tales i= nvolving echoplex production delays and nightmares about  wiring up a d= l4.Others deny their innermost fears and thoughts with long sidetracks into = "your karma ran over my dogma" style pronouncements on Quantum Phy= sics and the relevance of Ayn Rand.But the truth is we're all here together = in this big sharing group, loopers, Max abusers, analog junkies, Stratocaste= r players , singers ,and we CARE.   


i to am a looper, and i'm ver= y soyy for loosing it abou the emails it's just that i never new where these= peaple got my address but like i said my better half who is also my "m= anager" thought it would be a good i dea to be on this list


--MS_Mac_OE_3035702316_96027_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Mar 12 15:44:18 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA17243; Sun, 12 Mar 2000 15:44:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 15:44:18 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Kuehnle@aol.com Message-ID: <28.2dcfbe4.25fd5a7a@aol.com> Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 15:39:22 EST Subject: GIBSON Echoplex DP To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 142 Resent-Message-ID: <"Z9vuU.0.0w3.V20pu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12854 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Is anyone else shocked by the new MSRP of $1150 for the Gibson Echoplex DP? I can't recall what the original retail was, but I'm sure it was substantially less. -Eric From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Mar 12 16:00:44 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA21201; Sun, 12 Mar 2000 16:00:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 16:00:44 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000312204847.25484.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [165.227.137.70] From: "David Potter" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Angry Looper...leaving the list... Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 12:48:47 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"1PMF_2.0.LW4.GB0pu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12855 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Your anger was easy to take as we are subject to it quite often on the list...you had an infusion illusion of anger caused by the one you love most......how ironic....We feel your pain..... Om and Out >From: Andrew Pask >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >To: >Subject: Re: >Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 10:38:36 -0800 > >Come right on in, sit in the circle, we know you're nervous, you don't have >to talk straight away, we all come into the group with different stories >but >in here, we're all the same. >Some of us, like you , are shy with our problem and have to make up stories >about our managers subscribing us by mistake, >others of us are more immediately needy and burst into sordid tales >involving echoplex production delays and nightmares about wiring up a >dl4.Others deny their innermost fears and thoughts with long sidetracks >into >"your karma ran over my dogma" style pronouncements on Quantum Physics and >the relevance of Ayn Rand.But the truth is we're all here together in this >big sharing group, loopers, Max abusers, analog junkies, Stratocaster >players , singers ,and we CARE. > > >i to am a looper, and i'm very soyy for loosing it abou the emails it's >just >that i never new where these peaple got my address but like i said my >better >half who is also my "manager" thought it would be a good i dea to be on >this >list > > > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Mar 12 16:45:15 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA31098; Sun, 12 Mar 2000 16:45:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 16:45:15 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000312214027.83367.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [63.195.54.82] From: "matt davignon" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: unsubscribe Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 13:40:27 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"-ETuT2.0.lW7.ix0pu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12856 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Please everybody, take note of this. This information has been posted repeatedly, and every time, there's some guy that want's to unsubscribe a few days later and can't figure out how. This is extemely frustrating for the rest of us. You have to put "REQUEST" in the e-mail address: loopers-delight-REQUEST@annihilist.com THEN, you put "unsubscribe" in the title and text. >From: Tim Nelson >The reason your 'unsubscribe' request is not going through is because >you're sending it to the wrong address. You're posting it to the mailing >list when you should be sending it to >Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com. > >Read all about it at > >Good luck, > >Tim > >At 06:53 PM 3/11/00 -0500, you wrote: > > unsubscribe > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Mar 12 17:04:15 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA03556; Sun, 12 Mar 2000 17:04:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 17:04:15 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <003101bf8cfc$5024cee0$268909d2@mpx.com.au> From: "cameron" To: References: <28.2dcfbe4.25fd5a7a@aol.com> Subject: Re: GIBSON Echoplex DP Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 06:55:17 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: <"Q6hxt.0.9E.P81pu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12857 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Well Eric. The Echoplex is going to be $5000 in Australia, I've never had 5grand in my life. Stop complaining please. I'm thinking about unsubscribing, I can't handle reading about them all the time. It really hurts. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2000 12:39 PM Subject: GIBSON Echoplex DP > Is anyone else shocked by the new MSRP of $1150 for the Gibson Echoplex DP? > I can't recall what the original retail was, but I'm sure it was > substantially less. > > -Eric > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Mar 12 17:34:14 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA11058; Sun, 12 Mar 2000 17:34:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 17:34:14 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 17:29:09 EST Subject: Re: GIBSON Echoplex DP To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 61 Resent-Message-ID: <"NlNAU1.0.4P2.Pf1pu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12859 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 3/12/00 8:04:20 PM Mid-Atlantic Standard Time, c.ja.s@adlink.com.au writes: << I'm thinking about unsubscribing, I can't handle reading about them all the time. It really hurts. >> i agree and i dont even want one..............michael From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Mar 12 17:24:16 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA08247; Sun, 12 Mar 2000 17:24:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 17:24:16 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000312172055.007ba980@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 17:20:55 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: GIBSON Echoplex DP In-Reply-To: <28.2dcfbe4.25fd5a7a@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"sVYHr1.0._i1.2W1pu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12858 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Yeah, but nobody sells anything for full MSRP. Gibson's MSRP for a new Les Paul is somewhere between the price of a re-conditioned space shuttle and a new aircraft carrier. I wonder what the EDP will ACTUALLY go for... Tim At 03:39 PM 3/12/00 EST, you wrote: >Is anyone else shocked by the new MSRP of $1150 for the Gibson Echoplex DP? >I can't recall what the original retail was, but I'm sure it was >substantially less. > >-Eric From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Mar 12 18:09:15 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA18936; Sun, 12 Mar 2000 18:09:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 18:09:15 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <00db01bf8c76$0b489940$50b2143f@e4y58> From: "kojaque" To: Subject: Digest problem Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 17:55:19 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00D8_01BF8C4C.21A185A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <"uXpyt1.0.Jf3.E-1pu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12860 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00D8_01BF8C4C.21A185A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all. I have subscribed to the digest form of this list but I'm having a bit = of trouble that I hope someone might be able to help me with. =20 The digest is sent to me as a series of individual attachments. I have = to then open them one at a time which is a royal pain. I am using the = infamous Outlook Express and compared to some of you out there I guess I = am still quite an email novice. Is there a way to adjust some = parameters to receive them in one page scrollable form or is this just = the way the digest will have to come to me. Thanks, Jim ------=_NextPart_000_00D8_01BF8C4C.21A185A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi all.
 
I have subscribed to the digest form of = this list=20 but I'm having a bit of trouble that I hope someone might be able to = help me=20 with. 
 
The digest is sent to me as a series of = individual=20 attachments.  I have to then open them one at a time which is a = royal=20 pain.  I am using the infamous Outlook Express and compared to some = of you=20 out there I guess I am still quite an email novice.  Is there a way = to=20 adjust some parameters to receive them in one page scrollable form or is = this=20 just the way the digest will have to  come to me.
 
Thanks,
 
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------=_NextPart_000_00D8_01BF8C4C.21A185A0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Mar 12 18:18:35 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA21328; Sun, 12 Mar 2000 18:18:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 18:18:35 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Sender: mpeters@csi.com Message-ID: <01BF8C7E.EDDC29E0.mpeters@csi.com> From: Michael Peters To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: frisell tour dates please: urgent Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 23:58:23 +0100 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-Mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"qKClv3.0.qz3.P42pu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12861 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com ACK !!! Bill Frisell plays solo tomorrow here in Cologne/Germany, and I *can't go* because I have another date ... Does anyone know if there are tour dates online somewhere? Maybe he plays someplace else in Germany this week ... I couldn't find anything on the web yet. Please, if anyone finds anything, send it to me via private email. * Michael Peters: mpeters@csi.com * escape veloopity: electronic guitar loop music * hop - fractals in motion: strange attractors * http://www.mpeters.de/mpeweb From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Mar 12 18:28:31 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA23870; Sun, 12 Mar 2000 18:28:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 18:28:31 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000312232232.67126.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [131.107.3.87] From: "Greg S" To: References: <28.2dcfbe4.25fd5a7a@aol.com> Subject: Re: GIBSON Echoplex DP (real price) Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 15:22:06 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0043_01BF8C36.B9D74A00" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Resent-Message-ID: <"7LSvM1.0._W5.PR2pu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12862 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0043_01BF8C36.B9D74A00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Attached email from last month. Echoplex: $640 US via Alto Music if you're part of this list. Foot Control: $100 ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2000 12:39 PM Subject: GIBSON Echoplex DP > Is anyone else shocked by the new MSRP of $1150 for the Gibson Echoplex DP? > I can't recall what the original retail was, but I'm sure it was > substantially less. > > -Eric > > ------=_NextPart_000_0043_01BF8C36.B9D74A00 Content-Type: message/rfc822; name="Alto Music offering EDP discounts to LD members..eml" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="Alto Music offering EDP discounts to LD members..eml" >From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Feb 08 15:03:38 2000 Received: from [209.239.39.1] by hotmail.com (3.2) with ESMTP id MHotMailBA69EB4E005DD820F3A6D1EF2701094B0; Tue Feb 08 15:01:37 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA10400; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 18:00:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 18:00:52 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000208224815.40764.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [131.107.3.82] From: "Greg S" To: "Loopers Delight" Cc: "ALTO MUSIC" Subject: Alto Music offering EDP discounts to LD members. Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 14:48:14 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Resent-Message-ID: <"YLDm.0.Mc1.Dr9eu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12100 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Loopers: Jon from Alto just called me to let me know they'll be offering a discount for LD members on the long awaited EDP. Echoplex: $640 Footpedal: $100. (The EDP list will be something like $1100 I'm told ) According to Alto's Gibson rep, Gibson will be shipping 40 EDP's to Alto in 3 to 4 weeks. Please note, this is Gibson's word, not Jon's and certainly not mine. Jon will keep us updated with news as he gets it. If you want to get on the waiting list email Jon at Alto (alto@warwick.com) or call him at 914 692 6922. Jon said he does NOT still have the list of EDP buyers-in-waiting who missed one of the units from last year. If you were on that list, please contact Jon if you're still interested. Note: this was an unsolicited offer from Alto. Jon still had my phone number from the DL4 buy I helped coordinate last Dec (which is still generating sales according to Jon). He called out of the blue to make this offer. Its rather nice to see a store like Alto supporting groups like Looper's Delight. -Greg ------=_NextPart_000_0043_01BF8C36.B9D74A00-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Mar 12 20:58:14 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA23602; Sun, 12 Mar 2000 20:58:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 20:58:14 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38CC727F.E6661399@fuse.net> Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 20:45:51 -0800 From: Mike Georgin X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: GIBSON Echoplex DP References: <28.2dcfbe4.25fd5a7a@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"AA2wN1.0.BB5.DZ4pu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12864 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com If I recall correctly, the MSRP for the original EDP was around $1000 for the unit and another $130 for the foot controller. Actually, even as I write this, I remember that these prices are from Musician's Friend. I have no idea what the actual MSRP would have been. I purchased mine for about $750 altogether ( I got a really good deal! ). -Mike www.mikegeorgin.com Kuehnle@aol.com wrote: > Is anyone else shocked by the new MSRP of $1150 for the Gibson Echoplex DP? > I can't recall what the original retail was, but I'm sure it was > substantially less. > > -Eric From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Mar 12 21:08:33 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA25607; Sun, 12 Mar 2000 21:08:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 21:08:33 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38CC4C3D.825B4969@pop.agri.ch> Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 03:02:37 +0100 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Jes=FAs=20Turi=F1o?= Reply-To: j-turino@pop.agri.ch Organization: i45 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [de] (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: de,es MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: no-looping References: <20000312001027.9400.qmail@web3405.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by rosy.yourwebhost.com id VAA24945 Resent-Message-ID: <"396dJ.0.066.-o4pu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12866 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com hi aaron is it true, that i'll get blind if i listen to load music in my room? ;-( I play with several bands from r'n'roll over fusion to metal ( ... yes), i make studio work for pop-music and hiphop/rap and i'm touring solo with my dear bass & jamman ... and you know what: i'm not loosing anything ... i'm still learning and growing! ... it's just music ... wellcome back to earth. saludos, jesús Aaron Schindler schrieb: > I tried to play in a traditional (no-looping) band > situation yesterday- and I realized I sort of forgot > how. This is after having a DL4 for 2 months. How long > does it take to completly lose touch and just stay > locked in the attic with all your gear, never > interfacing with "normal" humans again? > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Mar 12 20:57:28 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA22668; Sun, 12 Mar 2000 20:57:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 20:57:28 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000312194136.00956340@192.168.0.1> X-Sender: floyd@192.168.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 19:42:24 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Floyd Miller Subject: Re: GIBSON Echoplex DP (real price) In-Reply-To: <20000312232232.67126.qmail@hotmail.com> References: <28.2dcfbe4.25fd5a7a@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"2LVUJ2.0.LH4.AK4pu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12863 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 03:22 PM 3/12/00 -0800, g716@hotmail.com wrote: >Attached email from last month. > >Echoplex: $640 US via Alto Music if you're part of this list. >Foot Control: $100 What the heck was that attachment? It tried to start some strange wizard thing. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Mar 12 21:08:50 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA26259; Sun, 12 Mar 2000 21:08:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 21:08:50 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38CC4C35.533B0D71@pop.agri.ch> Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 03:02:29 +0100 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Jes=FAs=20Turi=F1o?= Reply-To: j-turino@pop.agri.ch Organization: i45 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [de] (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: de,es MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: unsubscribe References: <000201bf8c35$8490ca20$3ada583f@oemcomputer> Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"kQHXE3.0.h56.to4pu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12865 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com you too
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From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Mar 12 21:32:33 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA31586; Sun, 12 Mar 2000 21:32:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 21:32:33 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <7BAC931E644ED211A90C00805F65CB640282E123@georgia.exchange.indiana.edu> From: "Taaffe, Denis G" To: "'Stephen P. Goodman'" , Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: Mixer Comments Solicitation... Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 21:25:37 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <"etYz_3.0.CO7.A85pu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12867 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I don't know but tascam has that all digital mixer /w fx for 50% off at musician's friend for $499.00?! (normal $999 I think).That's the same price I paid that for my analog mixer. Denis Denis Taaffe denis_aliengtr@geocities.com http://www.dtguitar.com Greets folks, and welcome back to the list. :) I'm on the edge of a new mixer purchase next week, From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Mar 12 22:20:44 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA10369; Sun, 12 Mar 2000 22:20:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 22:20:44 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38CC5D58.B0390071@latrobe.edu.au> Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 14:15:36 +1100 From: "b.knox" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: GIBSON Echoplex DP References: <28.2dcfbe4.25fd5a7a@aol.com> <003101bf8cfc$5024cee0$268909d2@mpx.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"YwYfU.0.yE2.jr5pu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12868 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com cameron wrote: > > Well Eric. The Echoplex is going to be $5000 in > Australia, I've never had 5grand in my life. > Stop complaining please. > I'm thinking about unsubscribing, I can't handle > reading about them all the time. It really hurts. > eeee gads! is this true? $5000 ??? $5500 with GST ??? ouch. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Mar 13 00:25:37 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA02642; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 00:25:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 00:25:37 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 20:19:38 -0800 From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: GIBSON Echoplex DP In-reply-to: <28.2dcfbe4.25fd5a7a@aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"6rt7g.0.Vb.hh7pu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12871 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >Is anyone else shocked by the new MSRP of $1150 for the Gibson Echoplex DP? >I can't recall what the original retail was, but I'm sure it was >substantially less. > >-Eric This is what the retail list price of a 50 second echoplex has always been, since 1994. If you count for inflation, booming economies, and supply and demand, you're getting a deal. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Mar 12 23:52:31 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA17927; Sun, 12 Mar 2000 22:52:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 22:52:13 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000312225110.007ba310@pop.mail.yahoo.com> X-Sender: coirbidh_99@pop.mail.yahoo.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 22:51:10 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: "Scott A. Martin" Subject: Speaking of Ayn Rand... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"YsN-z.0.8_3.vG6pu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12870 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Did anyone catch tonight's Futurama episode? While wandering through the city of the sewer mutants (filled with stuff flushed down the toilets of 2999), Bender picks up a stack of their reading material and exclaims, "Aw, it's all crummy porno and Ayn Rand!" Um...loop content? Uh...I'll have to call you back.... Scott Martin Morrigan Records scott@morriganrecords.com http://www.morriganrecords.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Mar 12 23:54:46 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA15123; Sun, 12 Mar 2000 22:41:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 22:41:03 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000313033513.87601.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [216.160.64.80] From: "Greg S" To: References: <28.2dcfbe4.25fd5a7a@aol.com> <4.2.0.58.20000312194136.00956340@192.168.0.1> Subject: Re: GIBSON Echoplex DP (real price) Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 19:23:25 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <"xNSRp.0.1O3.I86pu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12869 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > What the heck was that attachment? It tried to start some strange > wizard thing. It was simply an email. My reader uses .eml as the extension. You could save it with a different extension.. or just read below: ================== From: Greg S To: Loopers Delight Cc: ALTO MUSIC Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2000 2:48 PM Subject: Alto Music offering EDP discounts to LD members. Loopers: Jon from Alto just called me to let me know they'll be offering a discount for LD members on the long awaited EDP. Echoplex: $640 Footpedal: $100. (The EDP list will be something like $1100 I'm told ) According to Alto's Gibson rep, Gibson will be shipping 40 EDP's to Alto in 3 to 4 weeks. Please note, this is Gibson's word, not Jon's and certainly not mine. Jon will keep us updated with news as he gets it. If you want to get on the waiting list email Jon at Alto (alto@warwick.com) or call him at 914 692 6922. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Mar 13 00:08:04 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA12817; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 00:08:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 00:08:04 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 20:12:39 -0800 From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: unsubscribe In-reply-to: <20000312214027.83367.qmail@hotmail.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"_nRXV2.0.Az2.jR7pu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12873 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com It also helps to send the request as plain text. The list server usually filters these mis-addressed admin things and deals with them, but when people insist on writing emails in badly formatted html the list software doesn't catch it. kim >Please everybody, take note of this. This information has been posted >repeatedly, and every time, there's some guy that want's to unsubscribe a >few days later and can't figure out how. This is extemely frustrating for >the rest of us. > >You have to put "REQUEST" in the e-mail address: > >loopers-delight-REQUEST@annihilist.com > >THEN, you put "unsubscribe" in the title and text. > > >>From: Tim Nelson > >>The reason your 'unsubscribe' request is not going through is because >>you're sending it to the wrong address. You're posting it to the mailing >>list when you should be sending it to >>Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com. >> >>Read all about it at >> >>Good luck, >> >>Tim >> >>At 06:53 PM 3/11/00 -0500, you wrote: >> > unsubscribe >> > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Mar 12 23:56:00 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA09486; Sun, 12 Mar 2000 23:56:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 23:56:00 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38CC7073.725930B5@pop.agri.ch> Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 05:37:07 +0100 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Jes=FAs=20Turi=F1o?= Reply-To: j-turino@pop.agri.ch Organization: i45 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [de] (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: de,es MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Speaking of Ayn Rand... References: <3.0.6.32.20000312225110.007ba310@pop.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"rAzLY3.0.1H1.s37pu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12872 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com don't take to much drugs ... it's not god for you, kid.

the antipagan, jesús

"Scott A. Martin" schrieb:

Did anyone catch tonight's Futurama episode?  While wandering through the
city of the sewer mutants (filled with stuff flushed down the toilets of
2999), Bender picks up a stack of their reading material and exclaims, "Aw,
it's all crummy porno and Ayn Rand!"

Um...loop content?  Uh...I'll have to call you back....

Scott Martin
Morrigan Records
scott@morriganrecords.com
http://www.morriganrecords.com

From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Mar 13 11:53:09 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA30118; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 11:53:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 11:53:09 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000313080719.008c7c40@pop3.argotech.net> X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 08:07:19 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Rich Subject: Re: GIBSON Echoplex DP In-Reply-To: <28.2dcfbe4.25fd5a7a@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"_Rv8g3.0.Ia6.0iHpu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12874 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Call Alto Music and see if there are any more available on their big order. I was on the list (and had to back out for a financial emergency...will be back later, though!) and the price for the EDP and the footpedal was somewhere around $750. rich At 03:39 PM 3/12/00 EST, you wrote: >Is anyone else shocked by the new MSRP of $1150 for the Gibson Echoplex DP? >I can't recall what the original retail was, but I'm sure it was >substantially less. > >-Eric > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Mar 13 19:33:21 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA22462; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 19:33:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 19:33:21 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38CD8722.3646142A@home.com> Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 16:26:10 -0800 From: Neil Goldstein Organization: @Home Network X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en]C-AtHome0407 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Subject: [Fwd: FS 2 Lexicon Vortexs $200 ea.] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"bwHId3.0.Xt4.2ROpu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12875 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com -------- Original Message -------- Subject: FS 2 Lexicon Vortexs $200 ea. Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 22:11:00 GMT From: Diversecity@earthlink.net (Dave Longo) Organization: Diverse City Productions Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.marketplace,rec.music.makers.synth 2 Lexicon Vortex morphing effects processors in ex cond $200 ea buyer pays shipping unless in Los Angeles area -- --- "Diverse City Productions" Dave From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Mar 13 21:31:58 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA20019; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 21:31:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 21:31:58 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Richard Allen" To: Subject: RE: GIBSON Echoplex DP Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 13:28:28 +1100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <38CC5D58.B0390071@latrobe.edu.au> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: <"9CrgN1.0.PK4.YCQpu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12876 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Why not contact Alto music, give 'em your credit card, and have them post it? I live in Aus. too, and have sourced a peavey PM-16 this way cheaper than locally. They sting you with duty and sales tax, but after the GST, you may be better off because sales tax will be zero instead of around 20%. Rich. -----Original Message----- From: b.knox [mailto:b.knox@latrobe.edu.au] Sent: Monday, March 13, 2000 2:16 PM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: GIBSON Echoplex DP cameron wrote: > > Well Eric. The Echoplex is going to be $5000 in > Australia, I've never had 5grand in my life. > Stop complaining please. > I'm thinking about unsubscribing, I can't handle > reading about them all the time. It really hurts. > eeee gads! is this true? $5000 ??? $5500 with GST ??? ouch. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Mar 14 00:47:48 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA09364; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 00:47:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 00:47:48 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38CDC3FF.E48EA93F@erols.com> Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 00:45:56 -0400 From: "J.G. Wong" Reply-To: adaaxs@erols.com Organization: Tokusatsu.com, Tokusatsu Access Archive X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: gear FS References: <200003122135.QAA28678@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"O3hLg1.0.ob1.W0Tpu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12877 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi Everybody, Since this is my favored group, I thought I would post these following items before anywhere else. I have a rough idea what all of this stuff is worth, if that comes close to what you'll offer it's yours. 1&2) Roland GR-50 guitar synth , Roland GK-2 pickup 3) Alesis Quadraverb 4) GK 2000CPL Guitar Preamp 5) Carvin DCA 300 Stereo Poweramp 6) Digitech RDS Digital Delay (3.6 sec max sample size) 7) 2x 2x12 cabs open back 35 w Celestions (not worth shipping, Phila area only) Thanks G. Wong (Fiveman) From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Mar 14 05:30:31 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA10553; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 05:30:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 05:30:31 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38CE1426.58B93921@subnet.virtual-pc.com> Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 10:27:50 +0000 From: david cooper orton X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Subject: Bill Frisell live loop extravaganza Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"ZMmUy2.0.-G2.gDXpu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12878 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Well not quite, but both Bill's new CD, and his current short solo tour of Europe, feature his own take on the loop thing. I saw him on Friday here in London, and he's incorporated a Line 6 DL4 into his set-up (he seems to like that half-speed backwards effect, amongst the many uses he made of it) along with the other, older floor boxes he's been using for ever (although of course his Echo Plus isn't on the floor). The set was a combination of a few standards like "Days of Wine and Roses", "My Man's Gone Now", a Monk tune (I think); "Moon River", and "Follow Your Heart" by John McClaughlin which he's been trying to play "for about the last 30 years", plus his own more loop-based things such "Throughout", the Farside theme and a couple of tunes familiar from recent CDs. Almost 2 hours, and given that it was the first of six sets he played at the weekend, he didn't show any signs of having paced himself(!) Great fun, so long as you could filter-out the sound of cutlery discretly clinking all around. Thought there might be a few folks out there interested... Cheers David From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Mar 14 11:50:59 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA03645; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 11:50:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 11:50:59 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38CEE800.FB4BD72E@vtx.ch> Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 17:31:44 -0800 From: Claude voit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight Subject: (OOT)LD member in concert in Nyon switzerland Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"0gjbb1.0.6H.ulcpu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12879 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Salut Mar 16 0830 I'll be playing the opening act for blue note recording artist Malcolm Braff quartet with Eric truffaz trumpet, Banz Oester Bass, and Yaya Ouattara perc. at the usine a gaz in Nyon near geneva there will be some dense accoustic guitar playing sometimes pure sometimes way out in space (you know, those toys that make you forget you can play...) I'll pay a beer for any LD member that comes to me after the concert sayin it was awesome ... http://www.usineagaz.ch/programm.htm you better call to make some reservation because the seats are limited and its almost full (Happy ) 022/361.44.04 See you there or wish me good luck Claude From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Mar 14 13:04:38 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA21777; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 13:04:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 13:04:38 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <00f501bf8dde$2d8f10b0$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: Subject: Re: (OOT)LD member in concert in Nyon switzerland Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 12:53:17 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"235Ui.0.by4.csdpu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12880 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wow, Claude! Good luck! Wish I could be there! Dennis Leas ----------------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Mar 14 14:14:24 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA06936; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 14:14:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 14:14:24 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <138FAF0D3722D311BAD00000F8093163227DAA@hdo-exchange.corporate.southam.ca> From: "Bailey, Jim" To: "'looppost'" Subject: RE: Digest problem Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 13:50:54 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <"BOp-q.0.Lc.viepu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12881 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com -----Original Message----- From: kojaque [mailto:kojaque@email.msn.com] Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2000 5:55 PM The digest is sent to me as a series of individual attachments. I have to then open them one at a time which is a royal pain. I am using the infamous Outlook Express and compared to some of you out there I guess I am still quite an email novice. Is there a way to adjust some parameters to receive them in one page scrollable form or is this just the way the digest will have to come to me. Jim I know what you mean. I've been getting mine like that since they switched us over to OE here at work. It was a bit annoying at first, but you might find it's easier if you want to select the threads you are interested in. My only complaint now is that the little envelopes are all stuffed into a tiny frame at the bottom of the screen, with a huge expanse of nothing above, making it necessary to scroll down to see what else is there. Does anybody know of a solution? Jim (a different one) From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Mar 14 15:03:29 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA19877; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 15:03:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 15:03:29 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <008101bf8dee$6d478600$d67379a5@cliff> From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" To: Subject: Re: Bill Frisell live loop extravaganza Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 11:49:24 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Resent-Message-ID: <"jNBDS2.0.1u3.6Sfpu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12882 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com You did'nt record it??? :( Cliff -----Original Message----- From: david cooper orton To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Tuesday, March 14, 2000 2:47 AM Subject: Bill Frisell live loop extravaganza >Well not quite, but both Bill's new CD, and his current short solo tour >of Europe, feature his own take on the loop thing. I saw him on Friday >here in London, and he's incorporated a Line 6 DL4 into his set-up >(he seems to like that half-speed backwards effect, amongst the many >uses >he made of it) along with the other, older floor boxes he's been using >for ever (although of course his Echo Plus isn't on the floor). > >The set was a combination of a few standards like "Days of Wine and >Roses", >"My Man's Gone Now", a Monk tune (I think); "Moon River", and "Follow >Your Heart" >by John McClaughlin which he's been trying to play "for about the last >30 years", >plus his own more loop-based things such "Throughout", the Farside theme >and a >couple of tunes familiar from recent CDs. Almost 2 hours, and given that >it was >the first of six sets he played at the weekend, he didn't show any signs >of >having paced himself(!) > >Great fun, so long as you could filter-out the sound of cutlery >discretly clinking >all around. > >Thought there might be a few folks out there interested... > >Cheers > >David > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Mar 14 17:31:37 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA23971; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 17:31:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 17:31:37 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <000b01bf8e03$edfba000$b398adce@hideo> From: "hideo" To: References: <008101bf8dee$6d478600$d67379a5@cliff> Subject: re: Oberheim on MusicYo Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 16:23:28 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <"Fj3m81.0.AW5.3ohpu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12883 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com check it ladies and gents http://www.musicyo.com/productspec.asp?pf%5Fid=324&dept%5Fid=9 no Plex yet, but I'm extrapolating a price of $439.95 if they do arrive . . . drone on~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Tom Lambrecht From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Mar 14 18:56:21 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA11250; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 18:56:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 18:56:21 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 15:36:32 -0800 From: "sock s" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sent-Mail: off X-Mailer: MailCity Service Subject: the Looper X-Sender-Ip: 216.90.139.146 Organization: N2Mail (http://www.n2mail.com:80) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Language: en Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"xLAHH1.0.oZ1.Zqipu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12884 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com came across this.. its "the Looper" http://www.chs1.com/looper.html (I think someone should incorporate this in their live looping act ..) What are you N2? Choose from 150 free e-mail addresses. http://www.n2mail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Mar 14 19:35:27 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA20554; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 19:35:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 19:35:27 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <38CE1426.58B93921@subnet.virtual-pc.com> Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 16:22:05 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Chris Chovit Subject: Re: Bill Frisell live loop extravaganza Resent-Message-ID: <"51OyF3.0.QC4.3Tjpu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12885 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Forgive my ignorance, but what is an Echo Plus? - Chris >Well not quite, but both Bill's new CD, and his current short solo tour >of Europe, feature his own take on the loop thing. I saw him on Friday >here in London, and he's incorporated a Line 6 DL4 into his set-up >(he seems to like that half-speed backwards effect, amongst the many >uses >he made of it) along with the other, older floor boxes he's been using >for ever (although of course his Echo Plus isn't on the floor). > >The set was a combination of a few standards like "Days of Wine and >Roses", >"My Man's Gone Now", a Monk tune (I think); "Moon River", and "Follow >Your Heart" >by John McClaughlin which he's been trying to play "for about the last >30 years", >plus his own more loop-based things such "Throughout", the Farside theme >and a >couple of tunes familiar from recent CDs. Almost 2 hours, and given that >it was >the first of six sets he played at the weekend, he didn't show any signs >of >having paced himself(!) > >Great fun, so long as you could filter-out the sound of cutlery >discretly clinking >all around. > >Thought there might be a few folks out there interested... > >Cheers > >David > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Mar 14 21:01:52 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA09694; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 21:01:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 21:01:52 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <2b.3054e47.260047f0@aol.com> Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 20:57:04 EST Subject: Re: (OOT)LD member in concert in Nyon switzerland To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 61 Resent-Message-ID: <"9ZaWL1.0.632.Jukpu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12886 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 3/14/00 2:51:11 PM Mid-Atlantic Standard Time, c.voit@vtx.ch writes: << See you there or wish me good luck >> GOOD LUCK................michael From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Mar 14 21:55:20 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA23031; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 21:55:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 21:55:20 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 21:54:19 -0500 Subject: OEDP? From: Doug Miller To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"D6FHa3.0.HI5.Kglpu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12887 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hello all! I am a looper wannabie! Will the Oberheim Echoplex Digital Pro ever be re-released?! I've let about 6 used units fly by me on ebay because I thought that Trace-Elliot was building them and new units would be soon on the market... Any news? ______________________________________ Doug Miller http://home.columbus.rr.com/dougmiller From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Mar 15 00:08:57 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA24721; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 00:08:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 00:08:57 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Hawkeye255@aol.com Message-ID: <7a.2ae26c2.260073d6@aol.com> Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 00:04:22 EST Subject: Re: the Looper To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 66 Resent-Message-ID: <"q9V_G2.0.Rw5._dnpu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12888 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com << (I think someone should incorporate this in their live looping act ..) http://www.chs1.com/looper.html >> keyboard playin' wouldn't be so boring to watch!!! I gotta get one of those!! hawkeye ps: will it never end...this quest for new gear?!?!! From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Mar 15 03:29:47 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA04065; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 03:29:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 03:29:47 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <004001bf8e86$870cfb40$caf44cc1@bruce> From: "Bruce Comens" To: References: Subject: edp at yo--no Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 08:58:09 -0500 Organization: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: <"NmfAV.0.Wu4.kAqpu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12889 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Before everyone gets excited: I queried Yo Music about the edp a couple of days ago and just received this reply: Dear bcomens@mail.nexus.it, Thanks for visiting MusicYo.com. Right now, Oberheim is not producing the EchoPlex. It is being produced under the Gibson name so we won't have it. Thanks again, MusicYo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Mar 15 03:22:19 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA00767; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 03:22:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 03:22:19 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38CF43D2.80CDD943@pop.agri.ch> Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 09:03:30 +0100 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Jes=FAs=20Turi=F1o?= Reply-To: j-turino@pop.agri.ch Organization: i45 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [de] (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: de,es MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: OEDP? References: Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------FAD259D66B99BFA801EAE7CE" Resent-Message-ID: <"vZ9St.0.Xy5.YHqpu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12890 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Dies ist eine mehrteilige Nachricht im MIME-Format. --------------FAD259D66B99BFA801EAE7CE Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit the only thing on the edp you can use to loop is waiting waiting waiting waiting waiting waiting waiting waiting waiting ...  =;-/
i'm waiting now 2 years, sometimes they say, next mounth, then next year ... who knows?

Doug Miller schrieb:

Hello all!
I am a looper wannabie!

Will the Oberheim Echoplex Digital Pro ever be re-released?! I've let about
6 used units fly by me on ebay because I thought that Trace-Elliot was
building them and new units would be soon on the market...

Any news?

______________________________________
Doug Miller
http://home.columbus.rr.com/dougmiller

--------------FAD259D66B99BFA801EAE7CE Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="j-turino.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Visitenkarte fŸr Jesœs Turi–o Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="j-turino.vcf" begin:vcard n:Turińo ;Jesús tel;fax:+41 41 761 33 91 (G) tel;home:+41 41 210 39 69 tel;work:+41 41 761 26 42 x-mozilla-html:FALSE url:www.i45.ch org:i45 Zug adr:;;Waldstätterstrasse 16;Luzern;Luzern;6003;Switzerland version:2.1 email;internet:j-turino@pop.agri.ch x-mozilla-cpt:;1 fn:Jesús Turińo end:vcard --------------FAD259D66B99BFA801EAE7CE-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Mar 15 03:28:36 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA03956; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 03:28:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 03:28:36 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38CF454E.1F873311@pop.agri.ch> Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 09:09:49 +0100 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Jes=FAs=20Turi=F1o?= Reply-To: j-turino@pop.agri.ch Organization: i45 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [de] (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: de,es MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: (OOT)LD member in concert in Nyon switzerland References: <38CEE800.FB4BD72E@vtx.ch> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------A48328DC50A81BD17913321F" Resent-Message-ID: <"zJwR3.0.Jj6.RNqpu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12891 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Dies ist eine mehrteilige Nachricht im MIME-Format. --------------A48328DC50A81BD17913321F Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit BONNE CHANCE !

i would like to come ... but have to work :(

on april 9th 2000 i make a looper/electronic meeting in the boa luzern. if you like to come, mail me to mentalbass@dplanet.ch.

saludos, jesús

Claude voit schrieb:

Salut

Mar 16 0830
I'll be playing the opening act for blue note recording artist Malcolm
Braff quartet with Eric truffaz trumpet, Banz Oester Bass, and Yaya
Ouattara perc. at the usine a gaz in Nyon near geneva

there will be some dense accoustic guitar playing sometimes pure
sometimes way out in space (you know, those toys that make you forget
you can play...)

I'll pay a beer for any LD member that comes to me after the concert
sayin it was awesome ...

http://www.usineagaz.ch/programm.htm

you better call to make some reservation because the seats are limited
and its almost full (Happy <G>) 022/361.44.04

See you there or wish me good luck

Claude

--------------A48328DC50A81BD17913321F Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="j-turino.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Visitenkarte fŸr Jesœs Turi–o Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="j-turino.vcf" begin:vcard n:Turińo ;Jesús tel;fax:+41 41 761 33 91 (G) tel;home:+41 41 210 39 69 tel;work:+41 41 761 26 42 x-mozilla-html:FALSE url:www.i45.ch org:i45 Zug adr:;;Waldstätterstrasse 16;Luzern;Luzern;6003;Switzerland version:2.1 email;internet:j-turino@pop.agri.ch x-mozilla-cpt:;1 fn:Jesús Turińo end:vcard --------------A48328DC50A81BD17913321F-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Mar 15 04:53:30 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA22672; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 04:53:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 04:53:30 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 09:34:37 GMT Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.20000315093438.1b174daa@subnet.virtual-pc.com> X-Sender: or387751@subnet.virtual-pc.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: david cooper orton Subject: Re: Bill Frisell/Echo Plus? Resent-Message-ID: <"C08YB1.0.Li4.varpu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12892 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Chris You wondered..."what is an Echo Plus?" It was/is an 8 second delay pedal from Digitech, which has been discussed here from time to time, so should be "findable" in the archives. There's also a copy of the manual, courtesy of Ken Griffith available from the LD site via: Bill explains/demonstrates how he uses it in his "The Guitar Artistry of Bill Frisell". Cheers David From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Mar 15 08:10:10 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA00607; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 08:10:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 08:10:10 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Texture444@aol.com Message-ID: <76.22ed38a.2600e467@aol.com> Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 08:04:39 EST Subject: OT: torn/calhoun in nyc 3/16 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Resent-Message-ID: <"JLeuK3.0.2m7.Agupu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12893 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com folks, fyi me'n'will calhoun are performing at merkin (!) hall, w.67th st / lincoln center / nyc thurs, 3/16, 8pm {yes, s'true: will is replacing terry bozzio.} on a bill w/vernon reid, & benjamin verdery. part of john schaefer's wnyc 'newsounds' series. some looping will, indeed, occur. the guitar may not be dead, quite yet, but it's emergence from this somnambulance-approaching-coma-whilefunctioningasanemptyculturalicon-phase is eagerly awaited..... by some. best, dt From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Mar 15 08:43:42 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA08321; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 08:43:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 08:43:42 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <010d01bf8e83$4152ab20$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: Subject: Re: the Looper Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 08:34:57 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"ggFVS2.0.-x1.SAvpu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12894 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Kim, Perhaps a link to "the Looper" from the LD website? Perhaps a link in a new "Looper Humor" LD page? Perhaps I should stop posting useless messages and go back to looping? :) Dennis Leas ----------------------------- dennis@mdbs.com -----Original Message----- From: sock s To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Tuesday, March 14, 2000 6:57 PM Subject: the Looper >came across this.. >its "the Looper" >http://www.chs1.com/looper.html From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Mar 15 11:51:00 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA19933; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 11:51:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 11:51:00 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <002101bf8e9d$c053f2c0$40348218@we.mediaone.net> From: "MediaOne" To: References: <76.22ed38a.2600e467@aol.com> Subject: Re: torn/calhoun in nyc 3/16 Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 08:44:36 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"eS0hW.0.uU4.Ptxpu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12895 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Someone record it please! All due respect to dt of course- Personal pleasure and enjoyment intended- Cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2000 5:04 AM Subject: OT: torn/calhoun in nyc 3/16 > folks, > fyi > me'n'will calhoun are performing at > merkin (!) hall, w.67th st / lincoln center / nyc > thurs, 3/16, 8pm > {yes, s'true: will is replacing terry bozzio.} > on a bill w/vernon reid, & benjamin verdery. > part of john schaefer's wnyc 'newsounds' series. > some looping will, indeed, occur. > > the guitar may not be dead, quite yet, but it's emergence from this somnambulance-approaching-coma-whilefunctioningasanemptyculturalicon-phase is eagerly awaited..... by some. > best, > dt > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Mar 15 16:26:34 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA23585; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 16:26:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 16:26:34 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 13:07:39 -0800 (PST) From: Haitch Cee To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Interesting... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"QdnCl2.0.mc4.Uk_pu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12896 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > Anyone experience this? In looping too. Sometimes you stop thinking > and just interact with the loop and a piece just sort of generates > itself. absolutely . i think thats probably why most of us continue to do what we do =) rich -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- haitch c soundcraft / sinesite: http://sinusoidal.com s i n u s o i d a l \ email: info@sinusoidal.com records / bc.canada / artists. mp3s. realaudio. forums. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- plutonian nights radio show -+- http://plutonia.org From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Mar 15 17:16:23 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA03481; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 17:16:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 17:16:23 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38D0078A.79822B6E@inreach.com> Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 13:58:34 -0800 From: eric X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Vortex Manual? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"hY1gN2.0.ba7.MU0qu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12897 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com hey! i just got a vortex and boy are my arms tired! the thing is - it has no manual. is there one online anywhere? dizzy with anticipation on how to work the damn thing, eric o. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Mar 15 18:05:00 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA14543; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 18:05:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 18:05:00 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <003c01bf8ed0$efb4ab80$18974e0c@u73x0> From: "James Pokorny" To: Subject: Re: torn/calhoun in nyc 3/16 Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 17:50:59 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"M5MBV3.0.kN2.KA1qu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12898 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >me'n'will calhoun are performing at >merkin (!) hall I always loved the curious name of that auditorium, too! James Pokorny From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Mar 15 19:04:19 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA28226; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 19:04:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 19:04:19 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: partagas.dragonet.es: dinamic1-65.drago.net [195.76.196.65] didn't use HELO protocol Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.20000316005519.0095be90@mail.dragonet.es> X-Sender: d3055@mail.dragonet.es X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 00:55:19 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Ra=FCl?= Bonell =?iso-8859-1?Q?Tom=E0s?= Subject: MPX-100 vs. RFX2000 (non-related content) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by rosy.yourwebhost.com id SAA25746 Resent-Message-ID: <"z8Yyl3.0.cI6.DA2qu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12899 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com hi friends ! does anybody have experience with one of these units? i'm thinking to purchase one unit to use it as cheap finalizer and to drive its digital S/PDIF out's into the computer's soundcard S/PDIF inp. does anybody knows of other units in this price range that have output S/PDIF ? Any for a similar price with digital input ? RBT ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// D o c t o r S a x N e w s New CD-R Release ! Price: 3 EUROS (including packing & postage) or trading for a cd / tape of your music. http://www.dragonet.es/users/d3055/Doctor_Sax_News/ ///////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// Raül Bonell Tomŕs http://www.dragonet.es/users/d3055/slollnoirc ///////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Mar 15 20:33:51 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA16184; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 20:33:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 20:33:51 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38D03889.28C8ECF4@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 20:27:37 -0500 From: Mojo X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Vortex Manual? References: <38D0078A.79822B6E@inreach.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"7G9p13.0.ff3.Na3qu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12900 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Manual here : http://www.annihilist.com/loop/tools/vortex/vortexman.html Links here : http://www.annihilist.com/loop/tools/vortex/vortex.html eric wrote: > hey! > i just got a vortex and boy are my arms tired! > the thing is - it has no manual. > is there one online anywhere? > dizzy with anticipation on how to work the damn thing, > eric o. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Mar 15 20:44:22 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA18835; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 20:44:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 20:44:22 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38CFE73C.669C8E1B@texas.net> Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 19:40:46 +0000 From: Bobdog/Doghouse Audio Laboratory Reply-To: psbuddha@texas.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Vortex Manual? References: <38D0078A.79822B6E@inreach.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"HKEy-1.0.hH4.pj3qu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12901 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com if you don't find one, i can photocopy one for ya. bobdog From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Mar 15 20:54:36 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA21347; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 20:54:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 20:54:36 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <007601bf8ee8$91fd0ba0$5698adce@hideo> From: "hideo" To: References: <3.0.1.32.20000316005519.0095be90@mail.dragonet.es> Subject: Re: MPX-100 vs. RFX2000 (non-related content) Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 19:40:10 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <"9RXpe3.0.kY4.Ym3qu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12902 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I (and at least one other person I know) use the MPX 100 for that exact reason . . . decent effects . . . does the analogue-digital conversion . . . and reasonably priced--just saw one used on Harmony for $150 shipped 5.7 second delay/looper is a bonus drone on~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Tom Lambrecht ----- Original Message ----- From: Raül Bonell Tomŕs To: Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2000 5:55 PM Subject: MPX-100 vs. RFX2000 (non-related content) > hi friends ! > > does anybody have experience > with one of these units? > > i'm thinking to purchase one unit > to use it as cheap finalizer and to > drive its digital S/PDIF out's into > the computer's soundcard S/PDIF inp. > > does anybody knows of other units in this price > range that have output S/PDIF ? Any for a similar > price with digital input ? > > RBT > > > > > //////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// ////////////////////////////////////////// > D o c t o r S a x N e w s > New CD-R Release ! > Price: 3 EUROS (including packing & postage) > or trading for a cd / tape of your music. > http://www.dragonet.es/users/d3055/Doctor_Sax_News/ > //////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// ///////////////////////////////////////// > Raül Bonell Tomŕs > http://www.dragonet.es/users/d3055/slollnoirc > //////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// ///////////////////////////////////////// > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Mar 15 21:54:48 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA03220; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 21:54:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 21:54:48 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 21:33:54 -0500 (EST) From: Stew Benedict To: Bobdog/Doghouse Audio Laboratory cc: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Vortex Manual? In-Reply-To: <38CFE73C.669C8E1B@texas.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"KC_ZN3.0.oZ7.XY4qu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12903 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com There's one on the looper's web page, under Tools of the Trade. Stew Benedict On Wed, 15 Mar 2000, Bobdog/Doghouse Audio Laboratory wrote: > if you don't find one, i can photocopy one for ya. > > bobdog > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Mar 16 02:04:52 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA32576; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 02:04:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 02:04:52 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38D085D8.CA4EA9E7@inreach.com> Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 22:57:31 -0800 From: eric X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Vortex Manual? References: <38D0078A.79822B6E@inreach.com> <38D03889.28C8ECF4@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"8nlYV.0.Hc7.VN8qu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12904 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Bobdog, Mojo, & Stew: Thanks a bunch - I'm all hooked up! ~eric From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Mar 16 04:32:29 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA00783; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 04:32:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 04:32:29 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Sender: mpeters@csi.com Message-ID: <01BF8F32.2E67BAF0.mpeters@csi.com> From: Michael Peters To: "'CT-Collective@onelist.com'" , "'Elmar Hintz'" <8m2@01019freenet.de>, "'Guido Hoerster'" , "'Hans Stoeve'" , "'Loopers Delight'" , "'Matthias Becker'" To: "'my2k@egroups.com'" , "'Peter Wassong'" , "'Afshin Eslami'" Subject: the sound of chopped water Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 10:24:48 +0100 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-Mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"J3x7S3.0.Hq7.JaAqu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12905 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com A group of drummers from Togo meet Frank Sinatra in cyberspace A cloud of granulated metal sounds, taken from a piezo microphone recording of a wastebasket Vibrations of a glass container for butter caused by a nearby freezer Chopping water into slices The bathroom whale band plays a rhythm with a whale voice solo on top A trio of metal thermos flasks, pushed around on a wooden plate ---------------------------------------- meets these and dozens of other surprising sounds in a musical year 2000 diary at http://www.mpeters.de/mpeweb/music/my2k ... ... bookmark the site and come back every day to listen to new sounds ... and please leave a message in the guestbook ! * Michael Peters: mpeters@csi.com * escape veloopity: electronic guitar loop music * hop - fractals in motion: strange attractors * http://www.mpeters.de/mpeweb From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Mar 16 08:37:09 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA21613; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 08:37:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 08:37:09 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Texture444@aol.com Message-ID: <7b.2398fa6.2602342a@aol.com> Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 07:57:14 EST Subject: OT: torn/calhoun broadcast on wnyc 'newsounds' To: tcn62@ici.net CC: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Resent-Message-ID: <"kq03C.0.A34.bxDqu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12906 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com tn, yeah: concert will be recorded by john schaefer (new sounds) of wnyc/npr radio, new york, for broadcast only. there 'tis, then. beast rig arts, dt > Whose idea was it to name a performance venue after a > pubic toupee, anyway?! most likely, twas some dude at ellis island who was incapable of pronouncing 'merchovitskiya'! > If the gig's to be recorded for release (pleeeaaase!), mayhaps a suitably > arcane tune title might be inspired by such a placename... What fertile > ground to plough, what with springtime a'comin' and all... > > Tim From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Mar 16 09:18:37 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA32692; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 09:18:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 09:18:37 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000316141110.23011.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [165.227.137.29] From: "David Potter" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: the sound of chopped water Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 06:11:09 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"vHQM-.0.iL7.VkEqu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12907 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wow ,you're from my village. Haiku Fractals >From: Michael Peters >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >To: "'my2k@egroups.com'" , "'Peter Wassong'" >, "'Afshin Eslami'" >Subject: the sound of chopped water >Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 10:24:48 +0100 > >A group of drummers from Togo meet Frank Sinatra in cyberspace > >A cloud of granulated metal sounds, taken from a piezo microphone recording >of a wastebasket > >Vibrations of a glass container for butter caused by a nearby freezer > >Chopping water into slices > >The bathroom whale band plays a rhythm with a whale voice solo on top > >A trio of metal thermos flasks, pushed around on a wooden plate > >---------------------------------------- > >meets these and dozens of other surprising sounds in a musical year 2000 >diary at http://www.mpeters.de/mpeweb/music/my2k ... >... bookmark the site and come back every day to listen to new sounds ... >and please leave a message in the guestbook ! > > >* Michael Peters: mpeters@csi.com >* escape veloopity: electronic guitar loop music >* hop - fractals in motion: strange attractors >* http://www.mpeters.de/mpeweb > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Mar 16 09:16:46 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA31666; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 09:16:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 09:16:46 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38D0DD4E.3558253E@virtulink.com> Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 08:10:38 -0500 From: David Beardsley Organization: SSI X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: torn/calhoun in nyc 3/16 References: <003c01bf8ed0$efb4ab80$18974e0c@u73x0> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"IgzVJ3.0.hb7.jlEqu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12908 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com James Pokorny wrote: > > >me'n'will calhoun are performing at > >merkin (!) hall > > I always loved the curious name of that auditorium, too! A pubic wig? -- * D a v i d B e a r d s l e y * xouoxno@virtulink.com * * 49/32 R a d i o "all microtonal, all the time" * M E L A v i r t u a l d r e a m house monitor * * http://www.virtulink.com/immp/lookhere.htm From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Mar 16 11:37:24 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA01027; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 11:37:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 11:37:24 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 09:11:23 -0700 From: gisjef@coagis.cabq.gov (jason fink - 3943 SUN Workstation) Message-Id: <200003161611.JAA00748@agsws1.cabq.gov> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: OT: torn/calhoun broadcast on wnyc 'newsounds' X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"DAz_M1.0.Lw6.NZGqu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12909 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >tn, >yeah: >concert will be recorded by john schaefer (new sounds) of wnyc/npr radio, new york, for broadcast o>nly. >there 'tis, then. >beast rig arts, >dt Will this perhaps be broadcast via Internet? Anybody have the scoop? I would love to hear this! Later, -jas (Eagerly awaiting 'Painting With Guitars' from homespuntapes.com) dimbulb & Justus Traut Pages http://www.unm.edu/~cornflak From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Mar 16 14:37:24 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA15011; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 14:37:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 14:37:24 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <000e01bf8f7e$f50d3d00$cd7979a5@cliff> From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: David Torn Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 11:36:38 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000B_01BF8F3B.E48F4420" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Resent-Message-ID: <"drHBP1.0.vL3.-RJqu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12910 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01BF8F3B.E48F4420 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Here is a Bruford/Levin/Torn show from HOB Harvard Square '98 http://www.hob.com/live/concerts/980419brufordlevin/ Cliff ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01BF8F3B.E48F4420 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Here is a Bruford/Levin/Torn show = from HOB=20 Harvard Square '98
 
http://www.= hob.com/live/concerts/980419brufordlevin/
 
Cliff
------=_NextPart_000_000B_01BF8F3B.E48F4420-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Mar 16 14:55:45 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA19347; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 14:55:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 14:55:45 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <001001bf8f80$ab86fe80$b998adce@hideo> From: "hideo" To: References: <200003161611.JAA00748@agsws1.cabq.gov> Subject: Re: OT: torn/calhoun broadcast on wnyc 'newsounds' YES! YES! Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 13:48:52 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <"OBSWC2.0.ld4.DjJqu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12911 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com just did a quick search and found the following . . . http://www.wnyc.org/musicculture/ SUPPOSEDLY, the show will be live broadcast streamed--- between this and Mike Peters aural snippets, I'm spending alot of QUALITY time on the computor today I can't get the WNYC audio stream to load with Windows Media Player 6.01 so I'm upgrading to 6.4 as we speak (you can do this from the Microsoft Link on the above site) hope this isn't like trying to get a stream from the Knitting Factory (which has caused many deep bruises for my forehead and computor monitor the last few times I tried) drone on~~~~~~~~~~ Tom Lambrecht PS I too would be interested in a recording of this gig for those of you fortunate enough to go--also, with ALL due respect to David T.(how about pressing some of these, David--one live CD from you is NOT enough) ----- Original Message ----- From: jason fink - 3943 SUN Workstation To: Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2000 10:11 AM Subject: Re: OT: torn/calhoun broadcast on wnyc 'newsounds' > > >tn, > >yeah: > >concert will be recorded by john schaefer (new sounds) of wnyc/npr radio, new york, for broadcast o>nly. > >there 'tis, then. > >beast rig arts, > >dt > > Will this perhaps be broadcast via Internet? Anybody have the scoop? > I would love to hear this! > > Later, > -jas (Eagerly awaiting 'Painting With Guitars' from homespuntapes.com) > > dimbulb & Justus Traut Pages > http://www.unm.edu/~cornflak > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Mar 16 15:04:09 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA21742; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 15:04:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 15:04:09 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38D13D0A.4C97013B@node.net> Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 14:59:06 -0500 From: James Keepnews Reply-To: keepnews@node.net Organization: > - - node - - < X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Oberheim Echoplex on Digibid References: <200003161715.MAA11542@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Ip2re2.0.a_4.EqJqu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12912 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com It ain't a first-edition copy of "The New Left - The Anti-Industrial Revolution", but it is currently at the low, discount high bid of $410 (US): http://www.digibid.com/auctions/items/11128.htm _______________________________________________________________________ ~ > -- James Keepnews -- < "Put oneself into a state of intense (.-.) * ignorance and curiosity, and yet ( \ > - Multimedia Yahoo - < see things in advance." - * " > keepnews@node.net < -- Robert Bresson (1901-1999) _______________________________________________________________________ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Mar 16 15:19:32 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA26210; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 15:19:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 15:19:32 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <003e01bf8f84$caedcb60$cd7979a5@cliff> From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" To: Subject: Re: OT: torn/calhoun broadcast on wnyc 'newsounds' YES! YES! Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 12:18:20 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Resent-Message-ID: <"Rxy8r.0.G36.93Kqu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12913 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Works fine with RealPlayer- Cliff -----Original Message----- From: hideo To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Thursday, March 16, 2000 12:06 PM Subject: Re: OT: torn/calhoun broadcast on wnyc 'newsounds' YES! YES! >just did a quick search and found the following . . . > >http://www.wnyc.org/musicculture/ > >SUPPOSEDLY, the show will be live broadcast streamed--- between this and >Mike Peters aural snippets, I'm spending alot of QUALITY time on the >computor today > >I can't get the WNYC audio stream to load with Windows Media Player 6.01 so >I'm upgrading to 6.4 as we speak (you can do this from the Microsoft Link on >the above site) > >hope this isn't like trying to get a stream from the Knitting Factory (which >has caused many deep bruises for my forehead and computor monitor the last >few times I tried) > >drone on~~~~~~~~~~ >Tom Lambrecht > >PS I too would be interested in a recording of this gig for those of you >fortunate enough to go--also, with ALL due respect to David T.(how about >pressing some of these, David--one live CD from you is NOT enough) > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: jason fink - 3943 SUN Workstation >To: >Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2000 10:11 AM >Subject: Re: OT: torn/calhoun broadcast on wnyc 'newsounds' > > >> >> >tn, >> >yeah: >> >concert will be recorded by john schaefer (new sounds) of wnyc/npr radio, >new york, for broadcast o>nly. >> >there 'tis, then. >> >beast rig arts, >> >dt >> >> Will this perhaps be broadcast via Internet? Anybody have the scoop? >> I would love to hear this! >> >> Later, >> -jas (Eagerly awaiting 'Painting With Guitars' from homespuntapes.com) >> >> dimbulb & Justus Traut Pages >> http://www.unm.edu/~cornflak >> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Mar 16 15:20:16 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA26286; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 15:20:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 15:20:16 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <001001bf8f83$f4dd6120$b998adce@hideo> From: "hideo" To: References: <000e01bf8f7e$f50d3d00$cd7979a5@cliff> Subject: Re: Torn tonite? help . . . Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 14:12:25 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000D_01BF8F51.A7B5DDA0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <"2gn9G1.0.v36.H3Kqu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12914 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01BF8F51.A7B5DDA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well, been fussing with the collection of Media players and still not = getting a stream from WNYC . . . Windows MP trouble window says "server = problems", but who knows any of our best and brightest getting their stream to come up? let us = techno-weenies know how you're doing it PLEASE :( here are the appropriate URLs http://www.wnyc.org/musicculture/wnyclive.html http://www.wnyc.org/audioindex/audiomenu.html please keep me from bludgeoning my H-P to deathcome 7PMCSTtonite and = having to drink myself to sleep listening to "Polytown" for the = umpteenth time . . . don't let a good looper go bad . . . (well, at least keep him from = sinking any further) drone on~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Tom Lbamrecht (the decline has begun) ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01BF8F51.A7B5DDA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Well, been fussing with the collection = of Media=20 players and still not getting a stream from WNYC=20 . . . Windows MP trouble window says = "server=20 problems", but who knows
 
any of our best and brightest getting = their stream=20 to come up? let us techno-weenies know how you're doing it  = PLEASE =20 :(
 
here are the appropriate = URLs
 
http://www.wnyc.o= rg/musicculture/wnyclive.html
 
http://www.wnyc.or= g/audioindex/audiomenu.html
 
please keep me from bludgeoning my H-P = to deathcome=20 7PMCSTtonite and having to drink myself to sleep listening to = "Polytown"=20 for the umpteenth time . . .
 
don't let a good looper go bad . . . = (well, at=20 least keep him from sinking any further)
 
drone on~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Tom = Lbamrecht  =20 (the decline has begun)
------=_NextPart_000_000D_01BF8F51.A7B5DDA0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Mar 16 15:34:38 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA30359; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 15:34:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 15:34:38 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <38CC5D58.B0390071@latrobe.edu.au> Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 12:23:42 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Chris Chovit Subject: EDP FS on harmony central Resent-Message-ID: <"DimUr1.0.k07.iFKqu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12915 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com just saw this and thought i would pass it along... Oberheim Echoplex Pro w/ footpedal Asking Price: US$750 Condition: Mint Age: 1 year Description: Oberheim Echoplex Pro w/ footpedal,& manual. A state of the art looping device with advanced programmability. Capable of several layers of simultaneously looped guitar (and/or keyboard parts).Comes with original memory- expandable - over a minute of recording/looping time. Great for live or recording. (buyer pays shipping) References can be supplied. Seller: Jake Bell, (860) 435 9969 E-mail: jbell@dreamtrax.com (Profile) ICQ#: 28071841 Location: LAKEVILLE, CT Post Date: 3/16/2000 From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Mar 16 15:49:18 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA01938; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 15:49:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 15:49:18 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Bad-Idea: su; rm -rf / X-Blasphemy: Invert me under my stars. Message-Id: <4.1.20000316132948.00b848c0@realm-of-shade.com> X-Sender: reverendrob@realm-of-shade.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 13:30:41 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: the Reverend Rob Subject: Re: Torn tonite? help . . . In-Reply-To: <001001bf8f83$f4dd6120$b998adce@hideo> References: <000e01bf8f7e$f50d3d00$cd7979a5@cliff> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"ziyJx.0.4W7.kNKqu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12916 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At or around 02:12 PM 3/16/00 -0600, hideo wrote: > > Well, been fussing with the collection of Media players and still not getting > a stream from WNYC . . . Windows MP trouble window says "server problems", > but who knows > > any of our best and brightest getting their stream to come up? let us > techno-weenies know how you're doing it PLEASE :( I haven't had any problems with the links you've supplied or the streams on them; having a T1 in the office doesn't hurt, but everything is tracerouting free and clear. == the Reverend Rob ICQ: 1280871 http://www.realm-of-shade.com .`. .`. .`. .`. http://www.qblh.com ================================================================= "Torture! Torture! It pleasures me!"- Criswell,"Orgy of the Dead" From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Mar 16 15:52:11 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA02225; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 15:52:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 15:52:11 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: kamlapati.khalsa@philips.com To: Subject: Midi Dump on EDP Message-ID: <0056910004128278000002L182*@MHS> Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 11:16:05 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; name="MEMO 03/16/00 11:19:53" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by rosy.yourwebhost.com id PAA00532 Resent-Message-ID: <"BYlAa1.0.Y8.ZUKqu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12917 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com All, Does anyone have experience saving an Echoplex Digital Pro loop to a PC? I have a bone stock new Dell laptop. What software do I need on the PC? Will in need special hardware? What is the cheapest way to get this capability? All help will be appreciated! Regards, Bad Dog From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Mar 16 16:05:17 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA06095; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 16:05:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 16:05:17 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: From: "Depratti, Robert" To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: EDP FS on harmony central Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 15:45:41 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <"EbD7p3.0.HE.cXKqu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12918 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I just received your message-Thank You very much -Bob -----Original Message----- From: Chris Chovit [mailto:cho@newdream.net] Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2000 3:24 PM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: EDP FS on harmony central just saw this and thought i would pass it along... Oberheim Echoplex Pro w/ footpedal Asking Price: US$750 Condition: Mint Age: 1 year Description: Oberheim Echoplex Pro w/ footpedal,& manual. A state of the art looping device with advanced programmability. Capable of several layers of simultaneously looped guitar (and/or keyboard parts).Comes with original memory- expandable - over a minute of recording/looping time. Great for live or recording. (buyer pays shipping) References can be supplied. Seller: Jake Bell, (860) 435 9969 E-mail: jbell@dreamtrax.com (Profile) ICQ#: 28071841 Location: LAKEVILLE, CT Post Date: 3/16/2000 From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Mar 16 16:35:12 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA13237; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 16:35:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 16:35:12 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <001c01bf8f8d$96b888e0$cd7979a5@cliff> From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" To: Subject: Re: Torn tonite? help . . . Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 13:21:21 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0017_01BF8F4A.8504CF20" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Resent-Message-ID: <"rJwNA.0.3B2.B-Kqu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12921 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0017_01BF8F4A.8504CF20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I just started straming the live broadcast of the radio program using = WMP 6.4 with no prob- I'm in LA on a 56k here at work-=20 Try uninstalling your old WMP maybe- and installing newest one from = Windows Update site-=20 Cliff=20 -----Original Message----- From: hideo To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Thursday, March 16, 2000 12:52 PM Subject: Re: Torn tonite? help . . . =20 =20 Well, been fussing with the collection of Media players and still = not getting a stream from WNYC . . . Windows MP trouble window says = "server problems", but who knows =20 any of our best and brightest getting their stream to come up? let = us techno-weenies know how you're doing it PLEASE :( =20 here are the appropriate URLs =20 http://www.wnyc.org/musicculture/wnyclive.html =20 http://www.wnyc.org/audioindex/audiomenu.html =20 please keep me from bludgeoning my H-P to deathcome 7PMCSTtonite and = having to drink myself to sleep listening to "Polytown" for the = umpteenth time . . . =20 don't let a good looper go bad . . . (well, at least keep him from = sinking any further) =20 drone on~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Tom Lbamrecht (the decline has begun) ------=_NextPart_000_0017_01BF8F4A.8504CF20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I just started straming the live = broadcast of=20 the radio program using WMP 6.4 with no prob- I'm in LA on a 56k here at = work-=20
Try = uninstalling your old=20 WMP maybe- and installing newest one from Windows Update site- =
 
Cliff
-----Original = Message-----
From:=20 hideo <hideo@concentric.net>
T= o:=20 Loopers-Delight@annihilist= .com=20 <Loopers-Delight@annihilist= .com>
Date:=20 Thursday, March 16, 2000 12:52 PM
Subject: Re: Torn = tonite?=20 help . . .

Well, been fussing with the = collection of Media=20 players and still not getting a stream from WNYC . . . Windows MP = trouble window says=20 "server problems", but who knows
 
any of our best and brightest = getting their=20 stream to come up? let us techno-weenies know how you're doing = it =20 PLEASE  :(
 
here are the appropriate = URLs
 
http://www.wnyc.o= rg/musicculture/wnyclive.html
 
http://www.wnyc.or= g/audioindex/audiomenu.html
 
please keep me from bludgeoning my = H-P to=20 deathcome 7PMCSTtonite and having to drink myself to sleep = listening to=20 "Polytown" for the umpteenth time . . .
 
don't let a good looper go bad . . = . (well, at=20 least keep him from sinking any further)
 
drone on~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Tom=20 Lbamrecht   (the decline has=20 begun)
------=_NextPart_000_0017_01BF8F4A.8504CF20-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Mar 16 16:33:01 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA12853; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 16:33:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 16:33:01 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <70.1ab17b3.2602a8b8@aol.com> Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 16:14:32 EST Subject: Re: Vortex Manual? To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 32 Resent-Message-ID: <"4grHm.0.M62.VxKqu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12920 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 15/03/00 22:16:19 GMT Standard Time, eobertha@inreach.com writes: > i just got a vortex and boy are my arms tired! > the thing is - it has no manual. > is there one online anywhere? > dizzy with anticipation on how to work the damn thing, > eric o. Lexicon Vortex Database< /A> the next best thing to spending weeks with the manual Andy(self promotion) From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Mar 16 16:26:35 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA11421; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 16:26:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 16:26:35 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 14:01:36 -0700 From: gisjef@coagis.cabq.gov (jason fink - 3943 SUN Workstation) Message-Id: <200003162101.OAA00834@agsws1.cabq.gov> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Torn tonite? help . . . X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"1cDIF3.0.eW1.VpKqu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12919 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com My realplayer streaming is works fine at this site! I am thankful to Tom for pointing out. Good luck with the Windows Media, Tom (or perhaps try the other format by downloading RP). I must get all my Real-Player listening in now, for come April 3rd my office will close the door on all Streaming Media. The rascals say its bogging down our network. Bah, the nerve of some administrators! Later, -jas http://www.unm.edu/~cornflak From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Mar 16 18:08:54 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA04796; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 18:08:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 18:08:54 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <02cb01bf8f95$61440510$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: Subject: Re: Midi Dump on EDP Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 17:17:12 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"V6brq3.0.z86.6wLqu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12922 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi Bad Dog! Well, it depends on what you're trying to do, but Kim has always suggested capturing the audio of the EDP loop rather than the digital data. The MIDI Dump can take 50 to 70 times as long as the real-time of the loop. (See http://www.annihilist.com/loop/tools/echoplex/FAQ2.html#Anchor-Does-17304 ) I have a Kyma system ( http://www.symbolicsound.com/ ) that I use to capture EDP loops. I construct the loop in the EDP, then touch a MIDI key which commands the Kyma to grab the loop. Now I can diddle with it in the Kyma or build-up another loop in the Kyma. To do this kind of thing on your laptop, you'll need a MIDI interface (with both MIDI-IN and MIDI-OUT since the EDP and computer must dialog), an analog sound input (probably built-in...I'm impressed with the features and quality of Dell laptaps), and some type of control program. PC-wise I don't have any recommendations regarding the control program. If it were a Mac, I'd look at MAX/MSP. But maybe other folks could recommend something? Dennis Leas ----------------------------- dennis@mdbs.com -----Original Message----- From: kamlapati.khalsa@philips.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Thursday, March 16, 2000 4:07 PM Subject: Midi Dump on EDP >All, > >Does anyone have experience saving an Echoplex Digital Pro loop to a PC? I have a bone stock new Dell laptop. What software do I need on the PC? Will in need special hardware? What is the cheapest way to get this capability? > >All help will be appreciated! > >Regards, >Bad Dog > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Mar 16 19:34:51 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA25683; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 19:34:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 19:34:51 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38D17C9F.16748AEB@ppi2pass.com> Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 16:30:24 -0800 From: Mark Sottilaro Reply-To: msottilaro@ppi2pass.com Organization: PPI X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com CC: timol@tcworks.de Subject: Do not buy TC Electronics Spark 1.5 (OT) (Cons of copy protection) References: <76.22ed38a.2600e467@aol.com> <002101bf8e9d$c053f2c0$40348218@we.mediaone.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"IFdLR2.0.t-5.FpNqu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12923 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hey fellow loopers, Recently I purchased TC/Works Spark 1.5 sample editing software, and let me tell you, it's a damn nice product. So why, you may ask, am I recommending not to buy it. Horrible copy protection features. It's rigged so you have to authorize a single hard drive to get it to work, with a call and response code that you obtain from TC. Problem? I bought it for my business which involves doing remote sound capture, via a laptop, and then bringing the files back to a studio for editing. Now I realize, after I've already authorized my Tower G3, that I won't be able to use the product on multiple machines unless I buy more copies. They suggested I just authorize a removable disk, but by then it was too late, and I did go and buy a jaz disk (I needed one anyway) and they wouldn't give me another code to authorize it. Screw that. If anyone has a cracked copy, I'd love a copy. As a person who makes copywriteable material, I loath piracy, but when you honestly purchase a product that you can't use in the way you intended because the company is paranoid about piracy, the only people that suffer are the honest. It's time honest consumers (who spend huge amounts of our money on gear and software) take arms up against companies that treat us like criminals because we're musicians. If someone who's reading this could forward this to Steinberg, that would be swell too. It's funny, after using a cracked version of Cubase on one of my student's computers, I went right out and bought a copy! I guess I'd have to buy another copy if I wanted to put it on my laptop and use it live as well. Or just get a cracked copy of it! Perhaps if companies learned a bit from the music and film industries, they'd realize that making smaller profits on many copies with good documentation, deters pirates, not huge price tags and hackable copy protection. I worked for a school that had to use a cracked copy of a graphics program even though they owned it, because the hardware dongle was causing problems and conflicts (not to mention that a lot of them were just stolen from the lab!) It's time for this crap to stop! OK, I'm done ranting now. Mark Sottilaro Director of Multimedia Production Professional Publications, Inc. 1250 Fifth Ave, Belmont CA 94002 Multimedia Production E-mail: msottilaro@ppi2pass.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Mar 16 22:45:33 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA20695; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 22:45:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 22:45:33 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <003f01bf8fc1$8ec37ee0$2496adce@hideo> From: "hideo" To: References: <001c01bf8f8d$96b888e0$cd7979a5@cliff> Subject: Re: Torn tonite? YES!!! Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 21:33:19 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003A_01BF8F8F.3F721680" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <"9PoHD3.0.dX4.iWQqu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12924 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003A_01BF8F8F.3F721680 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable thanks to all who responded --their server kicked in shortly after I panicked . . . sorry to lose = it, but the flashbacks from the last Knitting Factory stream failure = have scarred me to this day . . . sometimes a "server error" is only a server error .. .=20 neat show, EH? drone on~~~~~~~~~~~~ Tom Lambrecht ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Clifford@BienAppraisers=20 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com=20 Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2000 3:21 PM Subject: Re: Torn tonite? help . . . I just started straming the live broadcast of the radio program using = WMP 6.4 with no prob- I'm in LA on a 56k here at work-=20 Try uninstalling your old WMP maybe- and installing newest one from = Windows Update site-=20 =20 Cliff=20 ------=_NextPart_000_003A_01BF8F8F.3F721680 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
thanks to all who = responded
 
--their server kicked in shortly after = I panicked .=20 . . sorry to lose it, but the flashbacks from the last Knitting Factory = stream=20 failure have scarred me to this day . . .
 
 
sometimes a "server error" is only a = server error=20 .. .
 
neat show, EH?
 
drone on~~~~~~~~~~~~

Tom=20 Lambrecht
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Clifford@BienAppraisers =
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com=
Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2000 = 3:21=20 PM
Subject: Re: Torn tonite? help = . .=20 .

I just started straming the live = broadcast of=20 the radio program using WMP 6.4 with no prob- I'm in LA on a 56k here = at work-=20
Try = uninstalling your old=20 WMP maybe- and installing newest one from Windows Update site- =
 
Cliff
------=_NextPart_000_003A_01BF8F8F.3F721680-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Mar 16 23:44:36 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA04858; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 23:44:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 23:44:36 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <03e501bf8fc9$4a0986c0$0100005a@ne.mediaone.net> From: "Peter Shindler" To: Subject: MP3 to WAV? How? Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 23:28:47 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <"VQcu71.0.Lw.RURqu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12927 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi gang; I've got a simple PC question (another in a never-ending series)... What's an easy way to convert MP3's to WAV's and vice versa? Also, what's the easiest way to burn MP3's onto a CD? All the programs I have only deal with WAV files and don't recognize MP3's. Zero loop content, sorry... But check this out: http://www.teleport.com/~pdx4d/synhome.html I got curious about R. Buckminster Fuller, and now I'm curiouser... Sort of reminds me of "Godel Escher Bach" in that I can't really make head or tail of it, but it's interesting and thinking about it in the context of music (especially looping music)... ah forget it, just take a look. Peter From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Mar 16 23:38:58 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA03476; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 23:38:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 23:38:58 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <004501bf8fca$2153d090$15011eac@CIRDAN> From: "Michael LaMeyer" To: References: <001c01bf8f8d$96b888e0$cd7979a5@cliff> <003f01bf8fc1$8ec37ee0$2496adce@hideo> Subject: Re: Torn tonite? YES!!! Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 23:34:48 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0042_01BF8FA0.381A72E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Resent-Message-ID: <"qRtEH1.0.zZ.xORqu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12925 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0042_01BF8FA0.381A72E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I thoroughly enjoyed it myself. Although I wish I could see what was = happening, there were some pretty far out tones flying around. Thanks for posting the link to the streaming show! Mike ----- Original Message -----=20 From: hideo=20 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com=20 Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2000 10:33 PM Subject: Re: Torn tonite? YES!!! thanks to all who responded =20 --their server kicked in shortly after I panicked . . . sorry to lose = it, but the flashbacks from the last Knitting Factory stream failure = have scarred me to this day . . . sometimes a "server error" is only a server error .. .=20 neat show, EH? drone on~~~~~~~~~~~~ Tom Lambrecht ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Clifford@BienAppraisers=20 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com=20 Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2000 3:21 PM Subject: Re: Torn tonite? help . . . I just started straming the live broadcast of the radio program = using WMP 6.4 with no prob- I'm in LA on a 56k here at work-=20 Try uninstalling your old WMP maybe- and installing newest one from = Windows Update site-=20 =20 Cliff=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0042_01BF8FA0.381A72E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I thoroughly enjoyed it myself.  = Although I=20 wish I could see what was happening, there were some pretty far out = tones flying=20 around.
 
Thanks for posting the link to the = streaming=20 show!
 
Mike
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 hideo=20
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com=
Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2000 = 10:33=20 PM
Subject: Re: Torn tonite? = YES!!!

thanks to all who = responded
 
--their server kicked in shortly = after I panicked=20 . . . sorry to lose it, but the flashbacks from the last Knitting = Factory=20 stream failure have scarred me to this day . . .
 
 
sometimes a "server error" is only a = server error=20 .. .
 
neat show, EH?
 
drone on~~~~~~~~~~~~

Tom=20 Lambrecht
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Clifford@BienAppraisers =
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com= =20
Sent: Thursday, March 16, = 2000 3:21=20 PM
Subject: Re: Torn tonite? = help . .=20 .

I just started straming the live = broadcast=20 of the radio program using WMP 6.4 with no prob- I'm in LA on a 56k = here at=20 work-
Try = uninstalling your=20 old WMP maybe- and installing newest one from Windows Update site-=20
 
Cliff =
------=_NextPart_000_0042_01BF8FA0.381A72E0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Mar 17 00:08:24 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA11588; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 00:08:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 00:08:24 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <004d01bf8fca$4c4e0310$15011eac@CIRDAN> From: "Michael LaMeyer" To: References: <01BF8F32.2E67BAF0.mpeters@csi.com> Subject: Re: the sound of chopped water Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 23:36:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Resent-Message-ID: <"pyalh2.0.Oc.ePRqu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12926 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I spent quite a bit of time poking around here, very artful! Put a whole new mood into my day, thanks! Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Peters" To: ; "'Elmar Hintz'" <8m2@01019freenet.de>; "'Guido Hoerster'" ; "'Hans Stoeve'" ; "'Loopers Delight'" ; "'Matthias Becker'" ; ; "'Peter Wassong'" ; "'Afshin Eslami'" Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2000 4:24 AM Subject: the sound of chopped water > A group of drummers from Togo meet Frank Sinatra in cyberspace > > A cloud of granulated metal sounds, taken from a piezo microphone recording of a wastebasket > > Vibrations of a glass container for butter caused by a nearby freezer > > Chopping water into slices > > The bathroom whale band plays a rhythm with a whale voice solo on top > > A trio of metal thermos flasks, pushed around on a wooden plate > > ---------------------------------------- > > meets these and dozens of other surprising sounds in a musical year 2000 diary at http://www.mpeters.de/mpeweb/music/my2k ... > ... bookmark the site and come back every day to listen to new sounds ... > and please leave a message in the guestbook ! > > > * Michael Peters: mpeters@csi.com > * escape veloopity: electronic guitar loop music > * hop - fractals in motion: strange attractors > * http://www.mpeters.de/mpeweb > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Mar 17 00:02:29 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA09946; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 00:02:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 00:02:29 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000316235815.00965ba0@192.168.0.1> X-Sender: floyd@192.168.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 23:58:54 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Floyd Miller Subject: Re: Torn tonite? YES!!! In-Reply-To: <004501bf8fca$2153d090$15011eac@CIRDAN> References: <001c01bf8f8d$96b888e0$cd7979a5@cliff> <003f01bf8fc1$8ec37ee0$2496adce@hideo> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"4n04h.0.I42.OkRqu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12928 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Please turn off HTML encoding for messages you send to mailing lists. Thanks. At 11:34 PM 3/16/00 -0500, you wrote: >I thoroughly enjoyed it myself. Although I wish I could see what was >happening, there were some pretty far out tones flying around. > >Thanks for posting the link to the streaming show! > >Mike From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Mar 17 00:39:38 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA23929; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 00:39:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 00:39:38 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 21:07:26 -0800 (PST) From: Haitch Cee To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: looping tonight on the show In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20000316235815.00965ba0@192.168.0.1> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"USoiQ1.0.ao2.LsRqu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12929 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com http://plutonia.org click on pressrelease =) looping segments will be happening throughout the show (start 1am PST) cheers=) rich -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- haitch c soundcraft / sinesite: http://sinusoidal.com s i n u s o i d a l \ email: info@sinusoidal.com records / bc.canada / artists. mp3s. realaudio. forums. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- plutonian nights radio show - + - http://plutonia.org From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Mar 17 00:46:56 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA25476; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 00:46:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 00:46:56 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Crossedout@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 00:24:02 EST Subject: Re: MP3 to WAV? How? To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 61 Resent-Message-ID: <"MS8Mz1.0.IP4.P6Squ"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12930 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 3/16/00 10:44:44 PM Central Standard Time, shindler@mediaone.net writes: << Hi gang; I've got a simple PC question (another in a never-ending series)... What's an easy way to convert MP3's to WAV's and vice versa? Also, what's the easiest way to burn MP3's onto a CD? All the programs I have only deal with WAV files and don't recognize MP3's. >> look for a freeware program called Mpeg DJ Gowave - easy converter, and pretty good. - Crossedout@aol.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Mar 17 01:53:05 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA09196; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 01:53:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 01:53:05 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <001501bf8fdd$1105cb40$40348218@we.mediaone.net> From: "MediaOne" To: References: Subject: Re: MP3 to WAV? How? Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 22:50:22 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"8RBbb2.0.H42._LTqu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12931 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Steinberg WaveLab has an excellent batch converter that will do it- Cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2000 9:24 PM Subject: Re: MP3 to WAV? How? > In a message dated 3/16/00 10:44:44 PM Central Standard Time, > shindler@mediaone.net writes: > > << Hi gang; I've got a simple PC question (another in a never-ending > series)... > What's an easy way to convert MP3's to WAV's and vice versa? Also, what's > the easiest way to burn MP3's onto a CD? All the programs I have only deal > with WAV files and don't recognize MP3's. > >> > look for a freeware program called Mpeg DJ Gowave - easy converter, and > pretty good. > > - Crossedout@aol.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Mar 17 02:18:04 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA15497; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 02:18:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 02:18:04 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <006401bf8fe0$9434d580$40348218@we.mediaone.net> From: "MediaOne" To: "Loopers List" Subject: Torn Show Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 23:15:30 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"gGhok1.0.aT3.ajTqu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12932 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Which program was it on? I can't seem to find it- Cliff From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Mar 17 08:17:39 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA29791; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 08:17:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 08:17:39 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <006a01bf9042$baddc2c0$ccf44cc1@bruce> From: "Bruce Comens" To: References: <001c01bf8f8d$96b888e0$cd7979a5@cliff><003f01bf8fc1$8ec37ee0$2496adce@hideo> <4.2.0.58.20000316235815.00965ba0@192.168.0.1> Subject: R: Torn tonite? YES!!! Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 13:57:05 -0500 Organization: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: <"piM56.0.256.EmYqu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12933 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Anyone know if the concert will be archived and thus available later? My connection here was too slow for streaming, but I'm moving back to the US this weekend so will presumably soon have a faster one-- speaking of which (and drifting further OT)--what's the best bet for a connection in the US these days? regular telephone line? ISDN? cable? I really don't know what's going on there these days (in more ways than one....) From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Mar 17 11:14:00 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA11370; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 11:14:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 11:14:00 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <01BF9028.D6C85CD0.andrew@bocs.com> From: Andrew Taylor Reply-To: "andrew@bocs.com" To: "'loopers-delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: echoplex to UK Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 15:52:45 -0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"n7kw33.0.Zd1.PLbqu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12934 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com hello there, Has anyone on the list had an echoplex shipped from the US to the UK ? Did you have to pay duty ? If so how much ? Did it work ? I'm thinking of doing it, you see. After years waiting for whoever it is who's supposed to get 'round to organising the distribution of Echoplex to Europe I've run out of patience. I know from this list that several people in France, Switz, Italy, Australia have managed to get hold of it this way, so why not ? thanks Art From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Mar 17 11:14:07 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA11399; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 11:14:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 11:14:07 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <001101bf9029$0f838680$1b98adce@hideo> From: "hideo" To: References: <001c01bf8f8d$96b888e0$cd7979a5@cliff><003f01bf8fc1$8ec37ee0$2496adce@hideo> <4.2.0.58.20000316235815.00965ba0@192.168.0.1> <006a01bf9042$baddc2c0$ccf44cc1@bruce> Subject: Re: Torn last nite OT Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 09:54:19 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <"9M3PH3.0.Eh1.HNbqu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12935 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com the host announced at the conclusion that it would be rebroadcast at some point (and hopefully archived) sounded like Mssrs. Torn and Calhoun had lots more to say so I'm hoping they broadcast their entire set later the best connecttion going for the proletariat these days seems to be DSL or cable modem--my local Bell supposedly has me on the list for DSL though I'm not holding my breath Windows Media Player delivered a pretty decent stream on my 56 K modem last nite finally got the Knitting Factory stream link to deliver as well after several futile attemts in the past Tom Lambrecht ----- Original Message ----- From: Bruce Comens To: Sent: Friday, March 17, 2000 12:57 PM Subject: R: Torn tonite? YES!!! > Anyone know if the concert will be archived and thus available later? My > connection here was too slow for streaming, but I'm moving back to the US > this weekend so will presumably soon have a faster one-- > > speaking of which (and drifting further OT)--what's the best bet for a > connection in the US these days? regular telephone line? ISDN? cable? > I really don't know what's going on there these days (in more ways than > one....) > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Mar 17 13:47:54 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA16535; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 13:47:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 13:47:54 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000317182835.81721.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [199.179.162.80] Reply-To: dj_devious_d@hotmail.com From: "Devious D_MasterMixer" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: MP3 to WAV? How? Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 10:28:35 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"ji4rf3.0.9r2.rbdqu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12936 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Man, there are so many applications out there that can help you. There is a little utility calle MP32Wav (prononced MP3-2-Wav), that I use to convert MP3 files to .wav. It's fast and it's simple, and I think it's free, well at least the version that was passed onto me was. Most new versions of CD burning software will allow you to burn MP3's directly to your CD, without conversions (I use Adaptec's Easy CD Deluxe 4.0, and Nero Burning ROM). If you wish to edit MP3's, without converting to .wav, then use Synrilliums Cool Edit 2000 !!!! I have it, and it's Da BoMb !!!! This little (well not all that little) application edits the MP3 wavform like it's a .wav file, way cool. And you can add effects, and everything !!!! ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Peter Shindler" Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com To: Subject: MP3 to WAV? How? Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 23:28:47 -0500 Hi gang; I've got a simple PC question (another in a never-ending series)... What's an easy way to convert MP3's to WAV's and vice versa? Also, what's the easiest way to burn MP3's onto a CD? All the programs I have only deal with WAV files and don't recognize MP3's. Zero loop content, sorry... But check this out: http://www.teleport.com/~pdx4d/synhome.html I got curious about R. Buckminster Fuller, and now I'm curiouser... Sort of reminds me of "Godel Escher Bach" in that I can't really make head or tail of it, but it's interesting and thinking about it in the context of music (especially looping music)... ah forget it, just take a look. Peter ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Mar 17 16:33:26 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA22250; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 16:33:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 16:33:26 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Texture444@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 16:01:58 EST Subject: Re: OT: torn/calhoun broadcast To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Resent-Message-ID: <"c3OJA.0.Mf3.Lrfqu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12937 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >PS I too would be interested in a recording of this gig for those of you fortunate enough to go--also, with ALL due respect to David T.(how about pressing some of these, David--one live CD from you is NOT enough) > eventually, for sure: especially of this duet, as material accrues. (the soundchecks *always* sound better than the actual performances, for some reason.....) From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Mar 18 09:32:30 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA19674; Sat, 18 Mar 2000 09:32:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 09:32:30 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: RA336@aol.com Message-ID: <29.297fb93.2604e890@aol.com> Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 09:11:28 EST Subject: tour dates To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 146 Resent-Message-ID: <"T5BM8.0.dg3.pwuqu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12938 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com anyone interested; I'll be out with Douglas September (Canadian singer-songwriter) playing roots/ambient guitar and some weird-ass accordion and sound effects on the following dates: CAFE MUSIC NETWORK PRESENTS DOUGLAS SEPTEMBER Fri Mar 31 Cup a Cino Grosse Point, MI 8:00 pm Sat Apr 1 736 Java Detroit, MI 9:00 pm Sun Apr 2 Phoenix Coffeehouse Lakewood, OH 6:00 pm Tue Apr 4 Coffee Bean Cafe Buffalo, NY 9:00 pm Wed Apr 5 Johnny's Smoke Free Lounge Rochester, NY 9:00 pm Thu Apr 6 Happy Endings Syracuse, NY 9:00 pm Fri Apr 7 Professor Java's Coffee Sanctuary Albany, NY 8:00 pm Sat Apr 8 Cafe Delilah Montpelier, VT 8:30 pm Sun Apr 9 Bridge Street Cafe Richmond, VT 11:00 am - 1:00 pm Tue Apr 11 Free Street Taverna Portland, ME 9:00 pm Wed Apr 12 Kendall Cafe Cambridge, MA Thu Apr 13 Curious Liquids Boston, MA Fri Apr 14 Gaslight New York, NY 9:00 pm Sat Apr 15 The Living Room New York, NY 9:00 pm Sun Apr 16 La Tazza D'Art Philadelphia, PA 9:00 pm Tue Apr 18 Soho Coffee & Tea Washington, DC 9:00 pm Wed Apr 19 3rd Place Coffeehouse Raleigh, NC 8:00 pm Thu Apr 20 Town Pump Black Mountain, NC 9:00 pm Fri Apr 21 Bluebird Cafe Nashville, TN 6:00 pm Sat Apr 22 The Map Room Memphis, TN 10:00 pm Tue Apr 25 Neutral Ground New Orleans, LA 9:30 pm Thu Apr 27 Ruta Maya Coffeehouse Austin, TX 8:00 pm Fri Apr 28 Mosart's Coffee Roast Austin, TX 7:30 pm Sat Apr 29 503 Coffee Bar Austin, TX 9:30 pm Sun Apr 30 Deep Ellum Dallas, TX 6:00pm Wed May 3 Pony Expresso Webster Grove, MO Thu May 4 Java Club Rock Island, IL 8:00 pm Fri May 5 Uncommon Grounds Chicago, IL 8:00 pm From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Mar 18 10:17:45 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA29299; Sat, 18 Mar 2000 10:17:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 10:17:45 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: dmgraph@mail.earthlink.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 10:04:15 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: David Myers Subject: Re: OT: torn/calhoun broadcast Resent-Message-ID: <"DAhZG1.0.yG6.ecvqu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12939 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Was only able to catch 30 min of the broadcast, but I thought it was simply incredible. David, you've gotta get some of this stuff on disc. Please! >>PS I too would be interested in a recording of this gig for those of you > fortunate enough to go--also, with ALL due respect to David T.(how about > pressing some of these, David--one live CD from you is NOT enough) >> >eventually, for sure: especially of this duet, as material accrues. (the >soundchecks *always* sound better than the actual performances, for some >reason.....) From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Mar 18 13:25:34 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA05700; Sat, 18 Mar 2000 13:25:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 13:25:34 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <008701bf9106$73b77f20$1a32dacf@sgoodman> Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: "Looper's Delight" References: Subject: Re: Mixer Comments Solicitation... Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 10:19:06 -0800 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"89pfg.0.W51.sYyqu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12940 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Well, folks, it's done. I bought a Mackie 1202-VLZ at Project One in Hollywood - felt much better about going with a store instead of potentially duplicating the Car From Hell Syndrome already experienced via the unfortunate purchase of an 88 (87? 86?) Saab from a private owner (who was actually a wholesaler and, believe it or not, returned to his native France three days after the check cleared...). Anyway! It was only $279, because it wasn't a VLZ Pro, "merely" a VLZ. When I'd bought it, though, suddenly there were all these other folks in the store that were singing its praises as well. I feel much better, and love the text on the side of the box with the packing symbols! Looks like these yeggs have a sense of humor as well. And OooOOooooooh, it's soooo clean.... (mentally avoiding gushing and orgasmic sounds) (panting) What this lovely 12-track replaces is a pair of 4-tracks (Yamaha and Tascam, belts shot!) and a KM602 keybd mixer (my God, the noise!) that were practically stuck together with tape. Tomorrow I'm going to post a loop that's the first Loop of the Week recorded using the mixer, and required absolutely NO Noise Reduction whatsoever. I was so ecstatic about the quality of signal that I went out and bought a footswitch for the Time Machine, which will make performing a lot more simple than before... Tonight I'm doing what one could call an Acid Test, but without the Acid (like there's any of THAT around any more!), so it's really a well-developed trial which, ultlimately, results in more performances! This evening the experiment also includes projected (and sound-synced) graphics... so hopefully there'll be some slack jaws in the group tonight as a result. :) Thanks so much for all of your help, however remotely, on this. Looper's Delight strikes again! Stephen Goodman EarthLight Productions * http://www.earthlight.net From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Mar 18 19:09:01 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA11903; Sat, 18 Mar 2000 19:09:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 19:09:01 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38D3F626.5DF69797@erols.com> Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 17:33:29 -0400 From: "J.G. Wong" Reply-To: adaaxs@erols.com Organization: Tokusatsu.com, Tokusatsu Access Archive X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Hirsh Gardner Subject: Re: GEAR FOR SALE References: <38D3AD27.D4316D6A@daddys.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"O372N2.0.uy5.090ru"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12941 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thank you for the offer, however this gear was offered to the individual members of the private listservs that I subscribe to. After my fellows get their shot, I'll post it to a news group and then perhaps I will trade it in at a retail shop. Best Regards Fiveguy Hirsh Gardner wrote: > > HI > WE WILL BUY "ALL" YOUR GEAR, BUT, WE TYPICALLY OFFER WHOLESALE VALUES. > THE PRICES YOU ARE ASKING ARE FAIR, BUT THEY ARE RETAIL. IF INTERESTED, > PLEASE CALL, WE WILL BUY IT "ALL". > > THANKS > HIRSH > DADDYS USED GEAR BY MAIL > 800-366-4323 EX 1 From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Mar 18 20:19:22 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA27700; Sat, 18 Mar 2000 20:19:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 20:19:22 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 17:10:21 -0800 From: Kim Flint Subject: OPUS415 marathon To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"o8HZ9.0.RU6.qc2ru"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12942 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com some of you SF Bay Area cats may be interested in this: The OPUS415 Marathon descends on SF this Sunday, March 19! ******************************************** 10 HOURS! 30+ COMPOSERS! 75+ PERFORMERS! ******************************************** Other Minds Presents 5th Anniversary!! OPUS415 NO. 5, Bay Area New Music Marathon Produced by the Common Sense Composers' Collective Sunday, March 19, 1pm - 11pm Theater Artaud, San Francisco All Day Pass $18/$13 students/seniors Tix: Artaud Box Office - 415/621 7797, OR BUY ONLINE: www.ticketweb.com Info: 415/285 8680 or www.commonsense.org (for complete shedule and detailed info) *OPUS415 No.5 LINE-UP* Sunday, March 19 1pm -11pm (check out our web site for links to all artists: www.commonsense.org) Preconcert (and between sets) jhno Ambient Interludes For live electronics 1:00PM - 3:30PM I Dewa Putu Berata Sekar Gadung Gamelan Sekar Jaya John Bischoff Quarter Turn For live electronics Dan Becker Tamper Resistant American Baroque Mark Grey Blood Red Joan Jeanrenaud, cello Elinor Armer Shivaree For piano, flute, two violins, viola, and horn Citizen Band 1N34A Xopher Davidson, Thomas Day, Gregory Lenczycki, live electronics Dan Plonsey Sunburst (scense 1-7) Paul Schick, libretto 3:30PM - 6:00PM Randy Woolf Angel Dust Paul Dresher Ensemble Electro-Acoustic Band Paul Hanson Pull of the Gold Rope Paul Dresher Ensemble Electro-Acoustic Band Flandreau - Goodheart - Powell Trio No Melody for Wadada Katherine Shao Judgment Day For Tape Trio (Kui Dong, Larry Polansky, Christian Wolff) New Work Wobbly Wild Why Jon Leidecker, samplers, effects, mixer Vazuvilla Point Taken and Emotional Ventriloquist Michael Grandi, guitar and composition; Ashley Adams, double bass; Michael Pukish, percussion; Bob Dowling; alto sax 6:00PM - 8:30PM Jay Cloidt Life Is Good And People Are Basically Decent Paul Dresher Ensemble Electro-Acoustic Band David Lang Follow Paul Dresher Ensemble Electro-Acoustic Band Silvia Matheus Cloy For tape Brian Reinbolt Respirateur For digital horn and computer Michael Fiday Slapback Paul Binkley, electric guitar Ashley Adams & Danielle DeGruttola Duo Song of the Bottomfeeders Ashley Adams, electric upright bass; Danielle DeGruttola, electric cello Melissa Hui Lacrymosa For soprano, clarinet, and piano FUZZYBUNNY Live Electronic Improvisation Chris Brown, Scott Gresham-Lancaster, Tim Perkis, live electronics 8:30PM - 11:00PM Paul Dresher Din of Iniquity Paul Dresher Ensemble Electro-Acoustic Band Cindy Cox Into the Wild Paul Dresher Ensemble Electro-Acoustic Band Mathew Burtner Portals of Distortion The Metasaxophone Ensemble David Del Tredici 3 Songs for Baritone and Piano (TBD) Richard Lalli, baritone Belinda Reynolds YAWP David Nadal, guitar Matt Ingalls Crust For clarinet and computer generated sound. Tin Hat Trio Works ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Mar 18 21:23:20 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA10375; Sat, 18 Mar 2000 21:23:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 21:23:20 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38D43581.AB649FC4@pop.agri.ch> Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 03:03:45 +0100 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Jes=FAs=20Turi=F1o?= Reply-To: j-turino@pop.agri.ch Organization: i45 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [de] (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: de,es MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: loopers meeting Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------2C786A3DF3F0E891800CC595" Resent-Message-ID: <"896AA3.0.6X1.AO3ru"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12943 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com --------------2C786A3DF3F0E891800CC595 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable an electronic weekend chill out a loopers workshop meeting april 9th 2000 boa bar, luzern - Switzerland audio dunv=E6r (nader/kunz) - extended guitar techno jasch - electronic loops jota farinha - sequenced loops mentalbass - bass loops pelayo - turntables/natural sounds &&& visual die blaue lagune (ch) - super 8 movie loops &&& nachtessen 19.oo h evening starts 21.oo h infos: j-turino@pop.agri.ch any looper is invited - bring your gear --------------2C786A3DF3F0E891800CC595 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit an electronic weekend chill out
a loopers workshop meeting

april 9th 2000
boa bar, luzern - Switzerland

audio
dunvær (nader/kunz) - extended guitar techno
jasch - electronic loops
jota farinha - sequenced loops
mentalbass - bass loops
pelayo - turntables/natural sounds
&&&

visual
die blaue lagune (ch) - super 8 movie loops
&&&
 

nachtessen 19.oo h
evening starts 21.oo h
infos: j-turino@pop.agri.ch

any looper is invited - bring your gear
 
  --------------2C786A3DF3F0E891800CC595-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Mar 19 09:52:12 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA12416; Sun, 19 Mar 2000 09:52:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 09:52:12 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <023f01bf91ad$68acfb80$8990f5ce@-> From: "Bill Fox" To: "WDIY" , "Ambient Mailing List" , "Analogue Heaven" , "Kees Aerts (Groove)" , "Ian Boddy" , "Victor Cerullo" , "John Christian" , "Andy Bloyce" , "DAC Crowell" , "Marcel Engels" , "Dennis Haley" , "James Johnson" , "Eirik Lie" , "Ronald Marien" , "Paul Mimlitsch" , "Paul Nagle" , "dino pacifici" , "Andy Pickford" , "Simon Pride" , "Robert Rich" , "Riley Roden" , "Dom Scab" , "Joerg Schaaf" , "Dirk Series" , "Don Slepian" , "Dave Sneed" , "Tony Stoufer" , "Robert Scott Thompson" , "GoldTri" , "Loopers Delight" , "new-age-radio Mailing List" , "spacemusic Onelist" , "ElectronicMusic Onelist" , "electronic_music Onelist" , "beyond_em Onelist" , "Ambient Onelist" , "AIMusic Onelist" , "Tae Darnell" , "Sep" , "Sandra Bridgeford" , "Regina Dounaevskaia" , "Mike Griffin" , "Michele Delfino" , "Lisa at Projekt" , "Kathy Monahan" , "John Michael Zorko" , "Grant Mackay" , "Eric Snelders" , "Dreyfus Records" , "Drew" , "Douglas Yoel" , "David Law" , "Danny Dark" , "Blue Chromium" <102147.1542@compuserve.com>, "Andy Stone" , "Access Music" <104763.3660@compuserve.com>, "Celestial Harmonies/Fortuna" <72120.3673@compuserve.com>, "SYNTH-L" Subject: EMUSIC Playlist Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 09:12:38 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_023C_01BF9183.45C2C980" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"DnvbP.0.wL1.H7Eru"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12944 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_023C_01BF9183.45C2C980 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable [Best read with a fixed spacing font.] EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ. Show #155 March 16, 2000. On this show, I continued the month-long focus on the seventh annual = Alfa Centauri music festival in Huizen, The Netherlands. Tonight's Feature CD at = Midnight was Trance Neutral Zone by Patrick Kosmos on the Hypnos label. ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 11:04 pm Wendy Carlos Brandenburg Concerto #3 S-O Boxed Set = Highlights ++ in G Major - Allegro (East Side Digital) Kelvin L. Smith Galaxy Gate - Part 1 Galaxy Gate (Once in a = Blue Moon) Liveform Recycled In Harmony (Salisbury = Sound) Sam Rosenthal Kathryn Before the Buildings = Fell (Projekt) Wendy Carlos Little Fugue in G Minor S-O Bach II [from = Switched-On Boxed Set] (East Side = Digital) VA [Kenton Files] Orient Express Jarre Logic (Purple = Pyramid) Jean Michel Jarre Rendezvous IV En Concert (Dreyfus) Arcane Requiem Gather Darkness (Neu = Harmony) Max Corbacho Vestiges Vesiges (Free Records) 12:00 am Patrick Kosmos Trance Neutral Zone Trance Neutral Zone = (Quantum) Patrick Kosmos Glide Slope Trance Neutral Zone = (Quantum) Patrick Kosmos Auroville Trance Neutral Zone = (Quantum) Patrick Kosmos Dokann Trance Neutral Zone = (Quantum) Patrick Kosmos Return of the Stardancer II Trance Neutral Zone = (Quantum) Patrick Kosmos The Last Moment Trance Neutral Zone = (Quantum) 1:00 am * =3D exerpt VA =3D Various Artists (compilation) ++ =3D This CD will be available as a thank you gift during the up = coming WDIY Membership Drive only during EMUSIC on April 6, 2000. Limited quantities! On the next EMUSIC, I'll continue the month-long focus on the seventh = annual Alfa Centauri Electronic Music Festival. The feature CD at midnight will be "Ocean = Drive" by Pyramid Peak on the Invisible Shadows label. ------=_NextPart_000_023C_01BF9183.45C2C980 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

[Best read with a fixed spacing=20 font.]
 
EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and = space music=20 show, airs each Thursday
at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and=20 Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in
Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, = NJ.
 
          &nbs= p;            = ;    =20 Show = #155           =20 March 16, 2000.
 
On this show, I continued the = month-long focus=20 on the seventh annual Alfa=20 Centauri
music festival in = Huizen, The=20 Netherlands.  Tonight's Feature CD at Midnight was
Trance = Neutral Zone=20 by Patrick Kosmos on the Hypnos label.
 

ARTIST         =         =20 TRACK           &n= bsp;       =20 ALBUM = (label)
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
11:04 pm
Wendy=20 Carlos            = Brandenburg Concerto #3  S-O Boxed Set Highlights=20 ++
           &= nbsp;           =20 in G Major - Allegro     (East Side = Digital)
Kelvin L.=20 Smith         Galaxy Gate - Part = 1     Galaxy Gate (Once in a Blue=20 Moon)
Liveform         &n= bsp;     =20 Recycled           = ;     =20 In Harmony (Salisbury Sound)
Sam=20 Rosenthal          =20 Kathryn           =       =20 Before the Buildings Fell (Projekt)
Wendy=20 Carlos            = Little=20 Fugue in G Minor  S-O Bach II [from Switched-On=20 Boxed
          &nbs= p;            = ;            =             &= nbsp;=20 Set] (East Side Digital)
VA [Kenton=20 Files]       Orient=20 Express           = Jarre Logic=20 (Purple Pyramid)
Jean Michel = Jarre      =20 Rendezvous = IV           =20 En Concert=20 (Dreyfus)
Arcane         =         =20 Requiem           =       =20 Gather Darkness (Neu Harmony)
Max=20 Corbacho           = ;=20 Vestiges           = ;     =20 Vesiges (Free Records)
 
12:00 am
Patrick=20 Kosmos          Trance = Neutral=20 Zone      Trance Neutral Zone = (Quantum)
Patrick=20 Kosmos          Glide=20 Slope           &n= bsp; =20 Trance Neutral Zone (Quantum)
Patrick=20 Kosmos         =20 Auroville          &nbs= p;    =20 Trance Neutral Zone (Quantum)
Patrick=20 Kosmos         =20 Dokann           &= nbsp;      =20 Trance Neutral Zone (Quantum)
Patrick = Kosmos     =20 Return of the Stardancer II  Trance Neutral Zone = (Quantum)
Patrick=20 Kosmos          The Last=20 Moment          Trance = Neutral Zone=20 (Quantum)
 
1:00 am
 
 * =3D exerpt
VA =3D Various = Artists=20 (compilation)
++ =3D This CD will be available as a thank you gift = during the=20 up coming WDIY Membership
     Drive only during = EMUSIC=20 on April 6, 2000.  Limited quantities!
 
On the next EMUSIC, I'll continue = the month-long=20 focus on the seventh annual Alfa Centauri
Electronic Music = Festival. =20 The feature CD at midnight will be "Ocean Drive" by
Pyramid = Peak on=20 the Invisible Shadows label.
------=_NextPart_000_023C_01BF9183.45C2C980-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Mar 19 13:43:23 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA31984; Sun, 19 Mar 2000 13:43:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 13:43:23 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Texture444@aol.com Message-ID: <9f.30ec017.260678c1@aol.com> Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 13:38:57 EST Subject: Re: OT: torn/calhoun broadcast To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Resent-Message-ID: <"Y5-An.0.PV7.7xHru"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12946 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com dm, et al concerned: thanks. will & i will definitely continue: i love this group, & its potens. looking into the possibility of a couplafew gigs: ny/europa/sf(@thejusticeleague) with the addition of meshell ndegeocello on bass & etc. zoop, dt > Was only able to catch 30 min of the broadcast, but I thought it was simply > incredible. David, you've gotta get some of this stuff on disc. Please! > > >>PS I too would be interested in a recording of this gig for those of you > > fortunate enough to go--also, with ALL due respect to David T.(how about > > pressing some of these, David--one live CD from you is NOT enough) > >> > >eventually, for sure: especially of this duet, as material accrues. (the > >soundchecks *always* sound better than the actual performances, for some > >reason.....) From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Mar 19 13:55:33 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA02206; Sun, 19 Mar 2000 13:55:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 13:55:33 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Texture444@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 13:33:16 EST Subject: Re: OPUS415 marathon To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Resent-Message-ID: <"_Lfio3.0.GC7.HsHru"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12945 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com shite! wish i could attend. now i wanna move to sf..... again. bleep, dt From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Mar 19 15:18:53 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA20889; Sun, 19 Mar 2000 15:18:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 15:18:53 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <002301bf91df$454138a0$c996adce@hideo> From: "hideo" To: References: <9f.30ec017.260678c1@aol.com> Subject: Re: OT: torn/calhoun broadcast Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 14:11:09 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <"0eZkD.0.pm4.FKJru"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12947 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2000 12:38 PM Subject: Re: OT: torn/calhoun broadcast > dm, et al concerned: > thanks. > will & i will definitely continue: > i love this group, & its potens. > looking into the possibility of a couplafew gigs: > ny/europa/sf(@thejusticeleague) and the Midwest . . . you know, backwaters like St. Louis, Chicago, Poplar Bluff . . . pretty please . . . we really need an infusion of kulchur . . . Tom Lambrecht > with the addition of meshell ndegeocello on bass & etc. > zoop, > dt > > > Was only able to catch 30 min of the broadcast, but I thought it was simply > > incredible. David, you've gotta get some of this stuff on disc. or MiniDisc--CDR . . . DAT, cassette whatever--dosen't need a four color label or even a jewel case another fave geetar monster is David Lindley and he's doing his own official bootlegs on his own Pleemhead label--they're breathtaking . . . (hmmm . . . funny he's gigging with "only" a hand drummer as well--Hani Naser-- and loving it) SNIP From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Mar 19 15:22:11 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA22075; Sun, 19 Mar 2000 15:22:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 15:22:11 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38D536DB.64B40028@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 12:24:38 -0800 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: OPUS415 marathon References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"E27Lx3.0.y55.TOJru"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12948 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com dt wrote: > shite! > wish i could attend. > now i wanna move to sf..... again. > yeah, jeez....makes me feel like we'z all down heah azleep in la... blorp, lance g. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Mar 19 17:18:43 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA16900; Sun, 19 Mar 2000 17:18:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 17:18:43 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: stanitarium@earthlink.net Message-Id: <200003192212.OAA18125@snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 14:12:18 -0800 Subject: Re: OPUS415 marathon To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"BYQuc3.0.kn3.Z3Lru"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12949 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com HEY dt-I'll let you crash here in sf for a while-I've gotcher PCM 42s,yer EDPs,Jamdudes,PDS 8000, EH 16 sec.,and other crazed amusical accoutrements-U'd feel right @ home,Looperdude,...GOIN'LOOPY...STANNER ---------- >From: Texture444@aol.com >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Subject: Re: OPUS415 marathon >Date: Sun, Mar 19, 2000, 10:33 AM > > shite! > wish i could attend. > now i wanna move to sf..... again. > bleep, > dt > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Mar 19 22:19:41 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA22506; Sun, 19 Mar 2000 22:19:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 22:19:41 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Texture444@aol.com Message-ID: <90.1ecdc86.2606f0b9@aol.com> Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 22:10:49 EST Subject: OT again:a brief dt gig 3/20, & a chatroom To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Resent-Message-ID: <"4aAXi3.0.mp4.SRPru"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12950 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com oh, yeah: me, probably playing alone: but, maybe not. recasting ornette coleman's 'lonely woman'. monday, 3/20, 2030h knitting factory, leonard st, nyc also webcast, live. also: to avoid further dt-generated-OT's, here at LD, there's now a 'dt-chatroom' (oh,jeez) available at: http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/davidtorncell yrghh, dt From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Mar 20 07:14:51 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA18683; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 07:14:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 07:14:51 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 06:09:20 -0600 From: "Ben Porter" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sent-Mail: off X-Expiredinmiddle: true X-Mailer: MailCity Service Subject: Jamman Prices!?!?! X-Sender-Ip: 146.229.222.59 Organization: N2Mail (http://www.n2mail.com:80) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Language: en Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"7UkNc3.0.nH4.KKXru"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12951 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Here is an excerpt from an email sent to those on the www.pedalman.com mailing list: just in! LEXICON JAMMAN LOADED with FULL UPGRADE 32 seconds EXC $750 just in! LEXICON JAMMAN Double Footswitch $ebay auction click here (end of excerpt) That seems like an awful high price for a jamman and they don't even include the foot switch. Now, I know the jamman is a great unit, but somehow I don't think that it is worth *that* much. It just seems that the prices on jammans are rather overinflated for some reason. I think part of it might be due to the fact that the EDP has been out of production for awhile now. Anyone else think that the prices on the jamman are getting outrageous? Even the price on used EDP's is getting incredibly high. The last one that was on Ebay was sold for $979.38! I wish Gibson would hurry up and get the Echoplex out and into the stores. Is there much of a chance that once the Trace Elliot Echoplex's finally start getting shipped that prices on used Oberheim models will go down and be at the same level of other gear when comparing the new versus used prices? Maybe it's not that high though. The EH 16 Second Digital Delays still easily sell for around a grand. But I'm still crossing my fingers in hope that prices on the Oberheim EDP will get down to a reasonable level in the near future. What are you N2? Choose from 150 free e-mail addresses. http://www.n2mail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Mar 20 07:22:54 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA20202; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 07:22:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 07:22:54 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38D616A7.748DB3D7@pop.agri.ch> Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 13:16:40 +0100 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Jes=FAs=20Turi=F1o?= Reply-To: j-turino@pop.agri.ch Organization: i45 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [de] (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: de,es MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Jamman Prices!?!?! References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by rosy.yourwebhost.com id HAA19062 Resent-Message-ID: <"LbvOR1.0.5g4.oSXru"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12952 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com i bought my new jamman 6 mounth ago for $260 ... i think, this is a fair price (... even the seller thought so) but $750 is not real ... how do this people earn their money? jesús Ben Porter schrieb: > Here is an excerpt from an email sent to those on the www.pedalman.com mailing list: > > just in! LEXICON JAMMAN LOADED with FULL UPGRADE 32 seconds EXC $750 > > just in! LEXICON JAMMAN Double Footswitch $ebay auction click here > > (end of excerpt) > > That seems like an awful high price for a jamman and they don't even include the foot switch. Now, I know the jamman is a great unit, but somehow I don't think that it is worth *that* much. It just seems that the prices on jammans are rather overinflated for some reason. I think part of it might be due to the fact that the EDP has been out of production for awhile now. Anyone else think that the prices on the jamman are getting outrageous? > > Even the price on used EDP's is getting incredibly high. The last one that was on Ebay was sold for $979.38! I wish Gibson would hurry up and get the Echoplex out and into the stores. Is there much of a chance that once the Trace Elliot Echoplex's finally start getting shipped that prices on used Oberheim models will go down and be at the same level of other gear when comparing the new versus used prices? > > Maybe it's not that high though. The EH 16 Second Digital Delays still easily sell for around a grand. But I'm still crossing my fingers in hope that prices on the Oberheim EDP will get down to a reasonable level in the near future. > > What are you N2? Choose from 150 free e-mail addresses. > http://www.n2mail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Mar 20 08:27:53 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA02907; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 08:27:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 08:27:53 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <003e01bf926f$95001920$b8425b80@upenn.edu> From: "David Petrozzi" To: Subject: Philly Electro-Experimental Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 08:24:12 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003B_01BF9245.ABF7B680" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"eIRd5.0.6O.CQYru"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12953 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003B_01BF9245.ABF7B680 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Just to alert the curious, the monthly electronic/experimental music = session-- "Gate to Moonbase Alpha" --will be held in West Philadelphia = this Saturday evening. The Gate showcases Philly local composers = involved in ambient, drum & bass, and other electronic pursuits which = are not as easily categorized. Admission is always free and the show = will be held at the newly renovated Rotunda, an old school venue on 4012 = Walnut St. by the UPENN campus. The chaos begins around 8:00. Inquiries = welcome. ~dp ____________________________ A disciplined mind brings happiness. ------=_NextPart_000_003B_01BF9245.ABF7B680 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Just to alert the curious, the monthly electronic/experimental = music=20 session-- "Gate to Moonbase Alpha" --will be held in West Philadelphia = this=20 Saturday evening.  The Gate showcases Philly local composers = involved=20 in ambient, drum & bass, and other electronic pursuits = which are=20 not as easily categorized.  Admission is always free and the=20 show will be held at the newly renovated Rotunda, an old = school venue=20 on 4012 Walnut St. by the UPENN campus. The chaos begins = around=20 8:00.  Inquiries welcome.
 
~dp
 
 
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------=_NextPart_000_003B_01BF9245.ABF7B680-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Mar 20 08:58:44 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA11632; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 08:58:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 08:58:44 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Texture444@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 08:49:14 EST Subject: Re: Philly Electro-Experimental To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Resent-Message-ID: <"9P12W2.0.OA2.znYru"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12954 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com you said (or, re-said, if yer quoting some other folk): >A disciplined mind brings happiness. is that really **true**, intrinsically & patently? i *is* wondering..... a few questions immediately passed through my porous, addled brain: 1) what kind of 'discipline' ya talking, here? 2) exactly *whom* is executing said 'disciplining'? 3) a) what kinda 'happiness' is being implied, & b) whom is made 'happy' by this 'discipline'? bleep, again. sorry. dt From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Mar 20 09:56:49 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA25426; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 09:56:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 09:56:49 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: KB305@aol.com Message-ID: <6e.17846b9.26078e35@aol.com> Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 09:22:45 EST Subject: Re: Philly Electro-Experimental To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 67 Resent-Message-ID: <"4-4GM2.0.4M4.NHZru"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12955 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 03/20/2000 7:59:11 AM Central Standard Time, Texture444@aol.com writes: << A disciplined mind brings happiness. is that really **true**, intrinsically & patently? >> A mind disciplined by others brings happiness to those others (at the expense of that mind's "owner"). This is also called Marketing. k From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Mar 20 10:26:48 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA00983; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 10:26:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 10:26:48 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Pedro Felix" To: Subject: Re: Jamman Prices!?!?! Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 09:56:19 -0600 Message-ID: <01bf9284$d4e0bda0$75c44e0c@Wroswick.uvm.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"_oDfF1.0.SH6.yoZru"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12956 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Ben, agreed, the prices for anything that is (should be? will be) in demand is getting a bit out of hand, but oh to be able to create and enjoy with the instruments of choice... Re: the Plex that sold for $979, I was the winner of that there auction. The price I feel was warranted, a full 198 second with footcontroller, manual and boxes in very good condition. I've been using my girlfriend's Plex for the last few months, so she is happy to get her mean machine back. She paid about $1100+ from Sam Ash in NYC for the same deal in 1996, so I feel I wasn't ripped off and seeing as the last four or five Plex's on Ebay were in excess of $1200, I think I got the deal of the year thus far. I've already had one offer from someone to buy the Plex for me (hell no, it's not for sale, i've waited long enough for me own!), so there is always someone out there willing to pay more and more and more,...ahh the limitations of excess... From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Mar 20 12:21:10 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA29029; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 12:21:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 12:21:10 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Reply-To: "m.hughes" From: "Michael P. Hughes, PhD" To: Loopers-Delight Subject: Line6 box Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 17:06:44 -0000 Message-ID: <001d01bf928e$ab212270$9c86e383@eihmsp6115.eihms.surrey.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <200003201500.KAA26764@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-Message-ID: <"mdbZ2.0.sL6.Jjbru"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12957 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi All, I've been (pardon the pun) out of the loop for a few months, indeed since the first appearance o'the Line6 DL4. For those without long and detailed memories, I loop by putting a Jam-Man in delay mode, with single repeat, in a hardwired loop (o/p-i/p) with a volume pedal in't to control the feedback. The system works well, but 'tis none too efficient having a 19" rack box on the floor, basically acting like a huge great glorified stompbox (ie a taptempo 32 sec delay). Anyhow, out has come the DL4. And much verbiage has been verbed about it (how come when I'm on this list I start wtriting like dt?) but questions the size of Texas yet remain. Chief among them are: 1. Can it be set to just an ordinary, tap-tempo, 14-sec delay? 2. I hear it's stereo. Is that 14-sec, looped stereo? 3. Half-speed mode. Does it sound any good? 4. Can you change the delay length on the fly? Not change the speed. On my JamMan, as configured, tapping a new loop when one is already playing results in the looping of just the segment that was playing between the taps (if y'follow). Or is it like the JM in Loop mode - once tapped, the tap button becomes record? 5. Can you use the EXP-pedal inputs (I hear they're there) to control output level and feedback? I've looked at the online manual and suspect I know the answer to some of these, but thought I'd better ask the experts. I think it looks unpromising (No feedback control!!!) but best to be sure. Why oh why can't someone make a simple 20-second taptempo stompbox?? Much 'ppreciated, Mike PS Those with gargantuan, nay behemothian, mamories will recall much discussions about (a) guitar resonances and (b) possible avenues for guitar-related research. Such individuals might be glad to know that I've got a few research projects on the acoustics of electric guitars on the go, and such projects seem to be building up a head of steam. And all this from a debate, on these very pages about 18 months ago, between myself, our moderator and Matthias Grob about whether resonance was good or bad for sustain.... _____________________________________________________________ Michael Pycraft Hughes, Ph.D. Tel: (+44) 1483 876775 Lecturer in Biomedical Engineering, Fax: (+44) 1483 259395 University of Surrey, EMail: m.hughes@surrey.ac.uk Guildford, Surrey, UK www.surrey.ac.uk/MME/Research/BioMed From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Mar 20 12:44:20 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA03162; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 12:44:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 12:44:20 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Texture444@aol.com Message-ID: <31.2a330c9.2607bbf7@aol.com> Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 12:37:59 EST Subject: Re: Philly Electro-Experimental To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Resent-Message-ID: <"zjIW11.0.iO.T8cru"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12959 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com i just *knew* there'd be another interpretation, somehow..... > In a message dated 03/20/2000 7:59:11 AM Central Standard Time, > Texture444@aol.com writes: > > << A disciplined mind brings happiness. > > is that really **true**, intrinsically & patently? >> > > A mind disciplined by others brings happiness to those others (at the expense > of that mind's "owner"). This is also called Marketing. > > k From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Mar 20 12:38:20 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA01529; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 12:38:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 12:38:20 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <002101bf9292$5db53360$b8425b80@upenn.edu> From: "David Petrozzi" To: References: Subject: Re: Philly Electro-Experimental Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 12:33:12 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"8nXWD3.0.ey7.e3cru"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12958 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com "Have the courage to use your own understanding. This is the motto of enlightenment." (Immanuel Kant) My answers can never be as valid as your own. ~dp > a few questions immediately passed through my porous, addled brain: > 1) what kind of 'discipline' ya talking, here? > 2) exactly *whom* is executing said 'disciplining'? > 3) a) what kinda 'happiness' is being implied, & > b) whom is made 'happy' by this 'discipline'? From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Mar 20 12:47:46 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA03684; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 12:47:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 12:47:46 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Texture444@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 12:43:22 EST Subject: OT sudden torn revision To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Resent-Message-ID: <"-cy_I1.0.Sm.VDcru"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12960 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com torn & will calhoun (last minute addition: what a pal, will is!) 3/20/00, monday knitting factory, leonard st, nyc 2030h webcast playing some (*) rendition of ornette coleman's classic, 'lonely woman' !mini-performance! followed by tor snyder (ex-'revolutionary music ensemble') From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Mar 20 13:16:43 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA11892; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 13:16:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 13:16:43 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <001801bf9293$fbe993e0$fb88b3d1@bob> From: "Jean or Colin Jenkinson" To: Subject: Re: Philly Electro-Experimental Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 09:41:48 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"ddeNw1.0.Xa1._Qcru"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12961 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com The mind is a terrible thing to taste. Colin | niloC -----Original Message----- From: Texture444@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Monday, March 20, 2000 7:12 AM Subject: Re: Philly Electro-Experimental >you said (or, re-said, if yer quoting some other folk): > >>A disciplined mind brings happiness. > >is that really **true**, intrinsically & patently? >i *is* wondering..... >a few questions immediately passed through my porous, addled brain: >1) what kind of 'discipline' ya talking, here? >2) exactly *whom* is executing said 'disciplining'? >3) a) what kinda 'happiness' is being implied, & > b) whom is made 'happy' by this 'discipline'? >bleep, again. >sorry. >dt > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Mar 20 13:22:32 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA13234; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 13:22:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 13:22:32 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38D668C1.D0CD1269@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 10:07:01 -0800 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Philly Electro-Experimental References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"90QVs1.0.dz1.FWcru"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12962 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Texture444@aol.com wrote: > you said (or, re-said, if yer quoting some other folk): > > >A disciplined mind brings happiness. > > is that really **true**, intrinsically & patently? > i *is* wondering..... > a few questions immediately passed through my porous, addled brain: > 1) what kind of 'discipline' ya talking, here? > 2) exactly *whom* is executing said 'disciplining'? > 3) a) what kinda 'happiness' is being implied, & > b) whom is made 'happy' by this 'discipline'? > bleep, again. > sorry. > dt weren't it marquis de sade? (kidding) lance g. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Mar 20 14:04:58 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA24257; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 14:04:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 14:04:58 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <7BAC931E644ED211A90C00805F65CB640507CB35@georgia.exchange.indiana.edu> From: "Taaffe, Denis G" To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: OT sudden torn revision Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 13:57:12 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <"flpIW2.0.9Z5.pJdru"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12963 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com ok, look there is only one real DT and that's me, Denis Taaffe, who is this imposter David Torn>? hahah. Actually, I think David Torn may be a little older than me. I actually remember a soundpage in Guitar Player with David Torn, am I right about this?. I still have it on cassette somewhere. It was very cool back then. SO who is the real DT? Is there space in the world for Two? hhaa.I had only been playing for maybe three years when that soundpage came out.Back then, I thought it was cool, but I didn't grasp what he was doing with those long delays. . Some nice stuff though!!!! So DT#1, if your reading this , how about filling us in on how that soundpage came about and what it was like for you when it came out? Peace Thanks Denis Denis Taaffe aka the other DT denis_aliengtr@geocities.com http://www.dtguitar.com -----Original Message----- From: Texture444@aol.com [mailto:Texture444@aol.com] Sent: Monday, March 20, 2000 12:43 PM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: OT sudden torn revision torn & will calhoun (last minute addition: what a pal, will is!) From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Mar 20 14:07:53 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA25386; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 14:07:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 14:07:53 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <006001bf929e$98033ba0$1d98adce@hideo> From: "hideo" To: References: Subject: Re: OT sudden torn revision Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 13:00:41 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <"-mPqJ2.0.gu5.VOdru"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12964 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com rags to riches . . Marty Fogel's collaboration with DT ("Bobbing Heads . . . ") arrives in the mail and now this . . . keen . . . Tom Lambrecht ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, March 20, 2000 11:43 AM Subject: OT sudden torn revision > torn & will calhoun (last minute addition: what a pal, will is!) > 3/20/00, monday > knitting factory, leonard st, nyc > 2030h > webcast > playing some (*) rendition of ornette coleman's classic, 'lonely woman' > !mini-performance! > > followed by tor snyder (ex-'revolutionary music ensemble') > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Mar 20 14:36:04 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA32206; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 14:36:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 14:36:04 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: KB305@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 14:31:13 EST Subject: Re: OT sudden torn revision To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 67 Resent-Message-ID: <"L7xr91.0.NZ7.bodru"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12965 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 03/20/2000 1:08:07 PM Central Standard Time, hideo@concentric.net writes: << Marty Fogel's collaboration with DT ("Bobbing Heads . . . ") >> yes! One of my fave dt things! Also, Jan Garbarek 'it's ok to listen to the grey voice' k From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Mar 20 14:44:15 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA01735; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 14:44:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 14:44:15 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C413032C@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: OPUS415 marathon Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 14:39:23 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.10) Resent-Message-ID: <"sCpGC3.0.2H.Mxdru"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12966 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com HEY dt-I'll let you crash here in sf for a while-I've gotcher PCM 42s,yer EDPs,Jamdudes,PDS 8000, EH 16 sec.,and other crazed amusical accoutrements-U'd feel right @ home,Looperdude,...GOIN'LOOPY...STANNER ** this post reminded me. i have a friend who has the pcm 42 with bob sellon mod. me may be interested in selling it (he's got a few other loopers). anyone know what it might be worth? stig From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Mar 20 15:08:00 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA07491; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 15:08:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 15:08:00 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <004701bf92a5$ac97c570$97310140@concentric.net> From: "Larry Tremblay" To: References: <001801bf9293$fbe993e0$fb88b3d1@bob> Subject: Re: Philly Electro-Experimental Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 14:51:23 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"nZDCi3.0.Lc.S1eru"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12967 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > The mind is a terrible thing to taste. - attributed to Ministry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jean or Colin Jenkinson" To: Sent: Monday, March 20, 2000 12:41 PM Subject: Re: Philly Electro-Experimental > > Colin | niloC > -----Original Message----- > From: Texture444@aol.com > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Date: Monday, March 20, 2000 7:12 AM > Subject: Re: Philly Electro-Experimental > > > >you said (or, re-said, if yer quoting some other folk): > > > >>A disciplined mind brings happiness. > > > >is that really **true**, intrinsically & patently? > >i *is* wondering..... > >a few questions immediately passed through my porous, addled brain: > >1) what kind of 'discipline' ya talking, here? > >2) exactly *whom* is executing said 'disciplining'? > >3) a) what kinda 'happiness' is being implied, & > > b) whom is made 'happy' by this 'discipline'? > >bleep, again. > >sorry. > >dt > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Mar 20 15:52:16 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA18917; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 15:52:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 15:52:16 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <051c01bf92ac$a35c0410$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: Subject: four-channel output/surround reverb Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 15:41:15 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"dkVUu3.0.ND4.Mueru"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12968 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hello Loopers! I've been experimenting with four-channel looping. That is, looping through four discrete output channels. Looping sounds that rotate in your sonic space, etc... How do you do four-channel reverb? Every reverb unit I'm familiar with does stereo at most and mono at least. Anybody doing four-channel or surround-sound reverberation? Any links? Ideas? Dennis Leas ----------------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Mar 20 16:13:34 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA24500; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 16:13:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 16:13:34 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 15:57:51 EST Subject: Re: MP3 to WAV? How? To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 32 Resent-Message-ID: <"x_vRD2.0.iB5.t3fru"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12969 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 17/03/00 04:44:44 GMT Standard Time, shindler@mediaone.net writes: > the easiest way to burn MP3's onto a CD? Nero Burning Rom it's not free though From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Mar 20 17:10:39 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA06911; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 17:10:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 17:10:39 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: SketchyJoe@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 16:48:46 EST Subject: Re: Philly Electro-Experimental To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 68 Resent-Message-ID: <"IslNu2.0.uK.bpfru"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12970 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Discipline is a function of order. If a being functions and works within a set of rules without a second party enforcing these rules, that being is excersizing discipline. Bliss (or happiness) emerges from working within the rules to the point at which the rules are forgotten. I was thinking about this as I was driving home from my day job (grade school music teacher). Children work best under rules. This gives them a structure in which to be a well-behaved member of society. When this structure is not apparent or if the rules they are taught come in conflict with other thought patterns, they act out. In the same way, we react against patterns that come in conflict with our own models for existence. It's like trying to understand 13/8 when all you've heard is 6/8 or 4/4. Or trying to listen to something like Schoenberg when your concept of "classical" music is as contemporary as Beethoven. I personally try to teach that the exploration of these boundries reveals that they are only temporary at best and that they all are stepping stones to more abstract concepts that are still part of the same whole. Machines are the only truly disciplined beings: Work to your computational limit (and that's why I torture machines without pity). As you may guess, I'm not a very fun teacher. Later! Joe From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Mar 20 17:20:40 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA09944; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 17:20:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 17:20:40 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38D6A274.E9D86E20@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 17:13:09 -0500 From: Mojo X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: four-channel output/surround reverb References: <051c01bf92ac$a35c0410$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"0jD702.0.i42.gCgru"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12971 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com The Vortex has great panning capability. I use mine for radical swirling effects by controlling the pan speed with the expression pedal. Two Vortexes with the properly synched patches could defiantly simulate quad. -Mojo "Dennis W. Leas" wrote: > Hello Loopers! > > I've been experimenting with four-channel looping. That is, looping through > four discrete output channels. Looping sounds that rotate in your sonic space, > etc... > > How do you do four-channel reverb? Every reverb unit I'm familiar with does > stereo at most and mono at least. Anybody doing four-channel or surround-sound > reverberation? Any links? Ideas? > > Dennis Leas > ----------------------------- > dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Mar 20 17:38:30 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA14425; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 17:38:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 17:38:30 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38D6A822.FF10AA9B@voicenet.com> Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 17:37:22 -0500 From: Legion X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Philly Electro-Experimental References: <003e01bf926f$95001920$b8425b80@upenn.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"wxpjI1.0.T83.6Tgru"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12973 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sorry this isn't a diatribe on the word Discipline, I just wanted to repost the original message since it seems people have ignored it in favor of it's sig: This is an amazing concert series put together by a local DJ and promoter (DJ Spacling of WKDU). He's has numerous groups playing in one of the most relaxed and comfortable environments I've ever experienced. The Rotunda is part of a cathedral which has excellent acoustics and the sound system, and house PA team are top notch. If you're in Phila Pa this weekend you should definitely check out this show. Many past and present loopers have performed at this series and it will be well worth your while. > Just to alert the curious, the monthly electronic/experimental music > session-- "Gate to Moonbase Alpha" --will be held in West Philadelphia > this Saturday evening. The Gate showcases Philly local composers > involved in ambient, drum & bass, and other electronic pursuits which > are not as easily categorized. Admission is always free and the show > will be held at the newly renovated Rotunda, an old school venue on > 4012 Walnut St. by the UPENN campus. The chaos begins around 8:00. > Inquiries welcome. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Mar 20 17:38:28 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA14424; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 17:38:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 17:38:28 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: adams.patriot.net: dusty owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 17:32:34 -0500 (EST) From: ";-Peter ;-Prisekin aka ;-Dusty ;-Chalk" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: four-channel output/surround reverb In-Reply-To: <051c01bf92ac$a35c0410$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"kVXBS.0.O63.4Sgru"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12972 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Have been interested in surround sound for a while; however, have not had the budget to experiment much, as of yet. I know of at least two products which will do surround reverb, the Lexicon 960L and the Eventide System 6000 (I believe Orville is also surround-capable, but not sure to what extent). Theoretically, Sony's new "modelling" reverb is capable of this if you can obtain 4-channel "recordings" of the spaces you want to model. I also seem to remember another product which emulates 4 channel reverb by crossing the internal outputs of some of the "sub-reflections" into the inputs of the other 4 reverbs -- you can probably experiment with this with existing gear, depending on how many reverbs you have and submixes you are capable of. Specifically: create 4 mono reverbs, FL, FR, RL, & RR; each one should be short (early reflections only); mix the dry signal with one of the other reverbs as the input to one of the other reverbs in a "tire rotation" manner; monitor outputs; change parameters to taste. You may also want to send the outputs of the above described setup into 4 regular mono or 2 regular stereo reverbs (I.E. FL -> FL, FR -> FR, etc.) if you have enough equipment. In this case, you will want to leave the early reflections fairly short and dry, and use the later reverbs for the tails. The "pre-reverb" portion can also be done with 5 channels -- you can either listen to, or ignore the output of the fifth channel. Lastly, you should also probably be able to emulate the four-channel version of the pre-reverb with two stereo reverbs (left as an exercise for the reader). I have also been playing a thought experiment in my head of what a quad- chorus would sound like. (-: There have also been several good articles on surround sound in magazines, lately, one of which eludes me at the moment (will get back to you on that), the other being the issue of EQ with Jason Miles on the cover, 2000 Issue Two (should still be available). On a side note -- I originally got interested in this after hearing some of James Dashow's wonderful 4-channel recordings which he created on a computer. He is absolutely the _master_ of space. He can make things sound like they are coming from a pinpoint location, or he can spread the sound so that it sounds like it is coming from the entire listening plane. But he was using more than just reverb (in fact, I'm not even sure he did reverb), he did it more with the phase relationships of the sounds coming from the 4 monitoring positions. I don't know if he did any papers on the topic, but if you find any, let me know! -- I remain, :-Peter aka :-Dusty :-Chalk On Mon, 20 Mar 2000, Dennis W. Leas wrote: > I've been experimenting with four-channel looping. That is, looping through > four discrete output channels. Looping sounds that rotate in your sonic space, > etc... > > How do you do four-channel reverb? Every reverb unit I'm familiar with does > stereo at most and mono at least. Anybody doing four-channel or surround- > sound reverberation? Any links? Ideas? From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Mar 20 18:23:06 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA26765; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 18:23:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 18:23:06 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38D6ADCD.55465C3B@pop.agri.ch> Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 00:01:34 +0100 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Jes=FAs=20Turi=F1o?= Reply-To: j-turino@pop.agri.ch Organization: i45 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [de] (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: de,es MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: four-channel output/surround reverb References: <051c01bf92ac$a35c0410$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by rosy.yourwebhost.com id SAA21521 Resent-Message-ID: <"rrk2p3.0.ZG5.Mvgru"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12975 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com hi sometimes (....when i have space and the gear) i work with 4 bassamps...each in a corner of the room. And at the end of my chaine (after the jamman) i put the akai headrush, who simulates a tape echo with 4 heads ... and , right, every "virtual head" goes to another amp. I don't know, if it is surround, but it sounds great. jesús "Dennis W. Leas" schrieb: > Hello Loopers! > > I've been experimenting with four-channel looping. That is, looping through > four discrete output channels. Looping sounds that rotate in your sonic space, > etc... > > How do you do four-channel reverb? Every reverb unit I'm familiar with does > stereo at most and mono at least. Anybody doing four-channel or surround-sound > reverberation? Any links? Ideas? > > > Dennis Leas > ----------------------------- > dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Mar 20 18:23:44 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA26841; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 18:23:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 18:23:44 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <051c01bf92ac$a35c0410$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 15:21:24 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Chris Chovit Subject: Re: four-channel output/surround reverb Resent-Message-ID: <"LmorK1.0.XD6.x7hru"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12977 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >Hello Loopers! > >I've been experimenting with four-channel looping. That is, looping through >four discrete output channels. Looping sounds that rotate in your sonic >space, >etc... > >How do you do four-channel reverb? Every reverb unit I'm familiar with does >stereo at most and mono at least. Anybody doing four-channel or >surround-sound >reverberation? Any links? Ideas? > Yeah, the Digitech Studio 400 (which i just posted for sale....) has 4 INs, 4 OUTs and various algorthims, including quad "surround" effects. - Chris From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Mar 20 18:20:58 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA25649; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 18:20:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 18:20:58 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <051c01bf92ac$a35c0410$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 15:19:07 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Chris Chovit Subject: FS: Headrush, Vortex, Studio 400, etc. Resent-Message-ID: <"MWQzY2.0.n16.n5hru"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12976 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com For Sale: Digitech Studio 400 fx processor w/ manual, mint cond.- 4 IN, 4 OUT - $350 Akai Headrush w/ box , xlnt cond. - $125 Lexicon Vortex w/ footswitch & manual, xlnt cond. - $250 JL Cooper MIDI interface for mac (9 pin serial) - 1 IN, 3 OUT - $25 Roland U-220 w/manual, xlnt cond. - $150 Prices do not include shipping. - Chris From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Mar 20 18:25:22 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA27017; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 18:25:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 18:25:22 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <000601bf92c1$213aac60$ba80b2d1@bob> From: "Jean or Colin Jenkinson" To: Subject: Re: Philly Electro-Experimental Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 15:07:22 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"PMP543.0.gH6.l9hru"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12978 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com -The mind is a terrible thing to BASTE! attributed to my Cockerspaniel -----Original Message----- From: Larry Tremblay To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Monday, March 20, 2000 12:39 PM Subject: Re: Philly Electro-Experimental >> The mind is a terrible thing to taste. > >- attributed to Ministry > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Jean or Colin Jenkinson" >To: >Sent: Monday, March 20, 2000 12:41 PM >Subject: Re: Philly Electro-Experimental > > >> >> Colin | niloC >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Texture444@aol.com >> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >> Date: Monday, March 20, 2000 7:12 AM >> Subject: Re: Philly Electro-Experimental >> >> >> >you said (or, re-said, if yer quoting some other folk): >> > >> >>A disciplined mind brings happiness. >> > >> >is that really **true**, intrinsically & patently? >> >i *is* wondering..... >> >a few questions immediately passed through my porous, addled brain: >> >1) what kind of 'discipline' ya talking, here? >> >2) exactly *whom* is executing said 'disciplining'? >> >3) a) what kinda 'happiness' is being implied, & >> > b) whom is made 'happy' by this 'discipline'? >> >bleep, again. >> >sorry. >> >dt >> > >> > >> >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Mar 20 18:30:12 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA28419; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 18:30:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 18:30:12 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38D6ACA6.E1D3D3C@pop.agri.ch> Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 23:56:39 +0100 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Jes=FAs=20Turi=F1o?= Reply-To: j-turino@pop.agri.ch Organization: i45 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [de] (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: de,es MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Philly Electro-Experimental References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by rosy.yourwebhost.com id RAA20130 Resent-Message-ID: <"NAoPw1.0.sw4.0rgru"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12974 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com SketchyJoe@aol.com schrieb: > Discipline is a function of order. If a being functions and works within a > set of rules without a second party enforcing these rules, that being is > excersizing discipline. Bliss (or happiness) emerges from working within the > rules to the point at which the rules are forgotten. This philosophy is deep middle age ... sorry, get up to date. Try Erik H. Erikson or Lawrence Kohlberg to learn the new (education) theory. > > > I was thinking about this as I was driving home from my day job (grade school > music teacher). Children work best under rules. ??? > This gives them a structure > in which to be a well-behaved member of society. "a well behaved member of society?" ... or a conform, uncritical member of a nearly fascist community? ... wake up, we are living in the year 2000, 1960 is over! > When this structure is not > apparent or if the rules they are taught come in conflict with other thought > patterns, they act out. It's not true ... I work with children/kids, too and I teach (better say animate) them, to set their own rules ... people have to learn, to get more responsable for their acting, not to obey fix, given rules. Help your kids ... teach them to think free. > In the same way, we react against patterns that come > in conflict with our own models for existence. It's like trying to > understand 13/8 when all you've heard is 6/8 or 4/4. Sorry, this is bullshit ... music is deep inside humans and it's one or theirs ground-abilitys. > Or trying to listen to > something like Schoenberg when your concept of "classical" music is as > contemporary as Beethoven. I personally try to teach that the exploration of > these boundries reveals that they are only temporary at best and that they > all are stepping stones to more abstract concepts that are still part of the > same whole. :( > Machines are the only truly disciplined beings: Work to your > computational limit (and that's why I torture machines without pity). Torture machines? ...torturing yourself would be better, the machines/instruments just helps you, to explain your feelings. > As you > may guess, I'm not a very fun teacher. That I'll belive for shure!!! ... my kids love me, not because i'm weak or to soft, but I try to understand them. And don't forget ... childrens are humans, too ... just in case you forgot. Not later, now -, your thinkings made me furious. jesús > > > Later! > Joe From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Mar 20 18:57:23 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA03022; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 18:57:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 18:57:23 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: alex@cliff.pixar.com Message-Id: Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 15:51:13 -0800 To: From: Alex Stahl Subject: Re: four-channel output/surround reverb Resent-Message-ID: <"R-FSu3.0._f.Rehru"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12979 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >Hello Loopers! > >I've been experimenting with four-channel looping. That is, looping through >four discrete output channels. Looping sounds that rotate in your sonic >space, >etc... > >How do you do four-channel reverb? Every reverb unit I'm familiar with does >stereo at most and mono at least. Anybody doing four-channel or >surround-sound >reverberation? Any links? Ideas? The Eventide Orville, TC M6000, Sony DRS777, and the new Lexicon (the expensive one) all feature "true" surround reverbs. None of them are below $7000 afaik. I'm using Spat, a software component from the Ircam Forum (http://www.ircam.fr), as part of a Max/MSP based quad looping setup. The Forum is a strange arrangement that amounts to renting software, which many may consider the worst of both worlds compared to owning hardware, but you get access to a lot of useful stuff. I've also experimented with taking a good stereo reverb and panning its outputs in quad into a quad loop. In many ways, I prefer the sound of stereo fields moving through surround space, but maybe that's just sour grapes since I can't afford an Orville. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Mar 20 19:16:05 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA08430; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 19:16:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 19:16:05 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: cdoyle6@excite.com Message-ID: <30165000.953596726401.JavaMail.imail@tiptoe> Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 15:58:46 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V00 #85 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Excite Inbox X-Sender-Ip: 206.252.226.149 Resent-Message-ID: <"6VjNJ.0.8_.Sjhru"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12980 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com stop sending me shit!!!!!! _______________________________________________________ Get 100% FREE Internet Access powered by Excite Visit http://freelane.excite.com/freeisp From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Mar 20 19:17:00 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA08542; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 19:17:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 19:17:00 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000320161052.008cf100@pop3.argotech.net> X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 16:10:52 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Rich Subject: Re: Philly Electro-Experimental In-Reply-To: <38D6ACA6.E1D3D3C@pop.agri.ch> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by rosy.yourwebhost.com id TAA07234 Resent-Message-ID: <"ZvA4b.0.Hn1.Hwhru"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12981 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com What is it with this list lately, where one of you will put up some obscure quote, or statement...just to make a point, and it opens up a can of worms where you all try to out-intellectualize each other? Reading email that is interesting to me, and pertinent to the music form i like to engage in TAKES UP ENOUGH OF MY TIME ALREADY... Your narrow minded rants are geting boring. Imagine if i tore someone a new asshole, just because they used a Headrush to get the job done, and me, i used an EDP. And then a few other people chimed in, telling just how OBVIOUS it was that the Jam Man was the supreme deal. My DL4 can beat up your RDS... It's the same thing your doing...just with your politics, your philosophy, your favorite authors, your opinions... shut up and get the job done. rich At 11:56 PM 3/20/00 +0100, you wrote: > > >SketchyJoe@aol.com schrieb: > >> Discipline is a function of order. If a being functions and works within a >> set of rules without a second party enforcing these rules, that being is >> excersizing discipline. Bliss (or happiness) emerges from working within the >> rules to the point at which the rules are forgotten. > >This philosophy is deep middle age ... sorry, get up to date. Try Erik H. >Erikson or Lawrence Kohlberg to learn the new (education) theory. > >> >> >> I was thinking about this as I was driving home from my day job (grade school >> music teacher). Children work best under rules. > >??? > >> This gives them a structure >> in which to be a well-behaved member of society. > >"a well behaved member of society?" ... or a conform, uncritical member of a >nearly fascist community? ... wake up, we are living in the year 2000, 1960 is >over! > >> When this structure is not >> apparent or if the rules they are taught come in conflict with other thought >> patterns, they act out. > >It's not true ... I work with children/kids, too and I teach (better say >animate) them, to set their own rules ... people have to learn, to get more >responsable for their acting, not to obey fix, given rules. >Help your kids ... teach them to think free. > >> In the same way, we react against patterns that come >> in conflict with our own models for existence. It's like trying to >> understand 13/8 when all you've heard is 6/8 or 4/4. > >Sorry, this is bullshit ... music is deep inside humans and it's one or theirs >ground-abilitys. > >> Or trying to listen to >> something like Schoenberg when your concept of "classical" music is as >> contemporary as Beethoven. I personally try to teach that the exploration of >> these boundries reveals that they are only temporary at best and that they >> all are stepping stones to more abstract concepts that are still part of the >> same whole. > >:( > >> Machines are the only truly disciplined beings: Work to your >> computational limit (and that's why I torture machines without pity). > >Torture machines? ...torturing yourself would be better, the >machines/instruments just helps you, to explain your feelings. > >> As you >> may guess, I'm not a very fun teacher. > >That I'll belive for shure!!! ... my kids love me, not because i'm weak or to >soft, but I try to understand them. >And don't forget ... childrens are humans, too ... just in case you forgot. > >Not later, now -, your thinkings made me furious. >jesús > >> >> >> Later! >> Joe > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Mar 20 19:46:55 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA16568; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 19:46:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 19:46:55 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38D6C1B4.9A458658@pop.agri.ch> Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 01:26:28 +0100 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Jes=FAs=20Turi=F1o?= Reply-To: j-turino@pop.agri.ch Organization: i45 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [de] (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: de,es MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Philly Electro-Experimental References: <3.0.6.32.20000320161052.008cf100@pop3.argotech.net> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------CBD602C0F19618D23FA792CA" Resent-Message-ID: <"Q-Fe9.0.0l2.09iru"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12982 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Dies ist eine mehrteilige Nachricht im MIME-Format. --------------CBD602C0F19618D23FA792CA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable the angry old men has spoken ;-) Rich schrieb: > What is it with this list lately, where one of you will put up some obs= cure > quote, or statement...just to make a point, and it opens up a can of wo= rms > where you all try to out-intellectualize each other? > > Reading email that is interesting to me, and pertinent to the music for= m i > like to engage in TAKES UP ENOUGH OF MY TIME ALREADY... > > Your narrow minded rants are geting boring. Imagine if i tore someone = a > new asshole, just because they used a Headrush to get the job done, and= me, > i used an EDP. And then a few other people chimed in, telling just how= > OBVIOUS it was that the Jam Man was the supreme deal. My DL4 can beat = up > your RDS... > > It's the same thing your doing...just with your politics, your philosop= hy, > your favorite authors, your opinions... > > shut up and get the job done. > > rich > > At 11:56 PM 3/20/00 +0100, you wrote: > > > > > >SketchyJoe@aol.com schrieb: > > > >> Discipline is a function of order. If a being functions and works w= ithin a > >> set of rules without a second party enforcing these rules, that bein= g is > >> excersizing discipline. Bliss (or happiness) emerges from working > within the > >> rules to the point at which the rules are forgotten. > > > >This philosophy is deep middle age ... sorry, get up to date. Try Erik= H. > >Erikson or Lawrence Kohlberg to learn the new (education) theory. > > > >> > >> > >> I was thinking about this as I was driving home from my day job (gra= de > school > >> music teacher). Children work best under rules. > > > >??? > > > >> This gives them a structure > >> in which to be a well-behaved member of society. > > > >"a well behaved member of society?" ... or a conform, uncritical membe= r of a > >nearly fascist community? ... wake up, we are living in the year 2000,= > 1960 is > >over! > > > >> When this structure is not > >> apparent or if the rules they are taught come in conflict with other= > thought > >> patterns, they act out. > > > >It's not true ... I work with children/kids, too and I teach (better s= ay > >animate) them, to set their own rules ... people have to learn, to get= more > >responsable for their acting, not to obey fix, given rules. > >Help your kids ... teach them to think free. > > > >> In the same way, we react against patterns that come > >> in conflict with our own models for existence. It's like trying to > >> understand 13/8 when all you've heard is 6/8 or 4/4. > > > >Sorry, this is bullshit ... music is deep inside humans and it's one o= r > theirs > >ground-abilitys. > > > >> Or trying to listen to > >> something like Schoenberg when your concept of "classical" music is = as > >> contemporary as Beethoven. I personally try to teach that the > exploration of > >> these boundries reveals that they are only temporary at best and tha= t they > >> all are stepping stones to more abstract concepts that are still par= t of > the > >> same whole. > > > >:( > > > >> Machines are the only truly disciplined beings: Work to your > >> computational limit (and that's why I torture machines without pity)= =2E > > > >Torture machines? ...torturing yourself would be better, the > >machines/instruments just helps you, to explain your feelings. > > > >> As you > >> may guess, I'm not a very fun teacher. > > > >That I'll belive for shure!!! ... my kids love me, not because i'm wea= k or to > >soft, but I try to understand them. > >And don't forget ... childrens are humans, too ... just in case you fo= rgot. > > > >Not later, now -, your thinkings made me furious. > >jes=FAs > > > >> > >> > >> Later! > >> Joe > > > > --------------CBD602C0F19618D23FA792CA Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="j-turino.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Visitenkarte fŸr Jesœs Turi–o Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="j-turino.vcf" begin:vcard n:Turińo ;Jesús tel;fax:+41 41 761 33 91 (G) tel;home:+41 41 210 39 69 tel;work:+41 41 761 26 42 x-mozilla-html:FALSE url:www.i45.ch org:i45 Zug adr:;;Waldstätterstrasse 16;Luzern;Luzern;6003;Switzerland version:2.1 email;internet:j-turino@pop.agri.ch x-mozilla-cpt:;1 fn:Jesús Turińo end:vcard --------------CBD602C0F19618D23FA792CA-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Mar 20 20:01:08 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA20103; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 20:01:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 20:01:08 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <004201bf92cf$ba73cca0$b8425b80@upenn.edu> From: "David Petrozzi" To: References: <3.0.6.32.20000320161052.008cf100@pop3.argotech.net> Subject: Re: Philly Electro-Experimental Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 19:52:27 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"Fxr95.0.gQ4.QViru"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12983 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wow, lots of aggression. Is it really worth it? I just joined this list a few days ago so please forgive any sparks I may have stirred up. I assure you this was not my intention in posting the original message! Looper content: I'm emerging from a mild obsession with the music and philosophy of Brian Eno & John Zorn. Does anyone have a suggestion on where I should head next? I'm looking for semi low-profile artists you guys absolutely love that I have not yet stumbled upon...anyone come to mind? ~dp _______________________ singnature file omitted From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Mar 20 20:35:07 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA29168; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 20:35:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 20:35:07 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <002b01bf92d5$1e55ebe0$c432dacf@sgoodman> Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: <051c01bf92ac$a35c0410$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> Subject: Re: four-channel output/surround reverb Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 17:30:59 -0800 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"dEnzh3.0.7s6.q3jru"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12984 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Having considered Environmental Audio as a concept for performing some time ago (but only recently being able to afford moving into that area, hehehe) I returned to those thoughts as a combination of Dennis' query, and perusing the back panel of the Mackie 1202-VLZ I got last week... There are the Main Outs, but there are also the Alt 3/4 outputs as well... What about this idea, then? Such that one has four outputs for four distinct channels, match this with a quartet of reverb/effects units for each. It's not surround, but it can be encoded for it a lot easier than a 3D-style two-channel recording, one would think. As far as a performance device, I suppose this works a lot better... but as a pre-encoding process, what about that, O Audio Engineers Amongst Us? There's got to be an easier way than buying into pioneering, bleeding-edge stuff that also costs an arm and leg... As far as output, I'm going to be investigating the digital outputs from the SBLive MP3 card I've got, not only the S/PDIFs but the one reserved for "Digital Output," which usually goes to a set of Surround-based speakers like a Soundcraft or something similar. I'm sure there's something similar on the Layla/etc cards too... Hmm? Stephen Goodman EarthLight Productions * http://www.earthlight.net > I've been experimenting with four-channel looping. That is, looping through > four discrete output channels. Looping sounds that rotate in your sonic space, > etc... > > How do you do four-channel reverb? Every reverb unit I'm familiar with does > stereo at most and mono at least. Anybody doing four-channel or surround-sound > reverberation? Any links? Ideas? > > Dennis Leas > ----------------------------- > dennis@mdbs.com > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Mar 20 20:58:12 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA02261; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 20:58:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 20:58:12 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Jhsidlo@aol.com Message-ID: <99.292f4d9.26082c74@aol.com> Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 20:37:56 EST Subject: Non-loop related To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Mac - Post-GM sub 65 Resent-Message-ID: <"06haU3.0.4D7.VAjru"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12985 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hello, Looking for the best place to purchase a CD burner. Adaptec 4Xs. Unless there are better. Please e-mail me personally, to avoid clutter on LD. Thanks, James From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Mar 20 21:21:07 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA07943; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 21:21:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 21:21:07 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: KB305@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 21:16:52 EST Subject: Re: Philly Electro-Experimental To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 67 Resent-Message-ID: <"8MlPK1.0.wo1.skjru"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12986 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 03/20/2000 7:01:24 PM Central Standard Time, david97@wharton.upenn.edu writes: << Brian Eno & John Zorn. Does anyone have a suggestion on where I should head next? >> Surfin' Bird by the Trashmen Trout Mask Replica by Captain Beefheart The Philosophy of the World by The Shaggs or Morton Feldman's Piano and String Quartet any of which qualifies as the Greatest Music Ever Written By Mankind. k From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Mar 20 22:12:21 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA21978; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 22:12:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 22:12:21 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "future perfect" To: Subject: RE: OT sudden torn revision Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 22:11:59 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"2xdko.0.M15.YTkru"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12987 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Anyone know the url for the webcast?? Dave Eichenberger- guitars.loops.devices http://home1.gte.net/artmusic/dave > > > torn & will calhoun (last minute addition: what a pal, will is!) > 3/20/00, monday > knitting factory, leonard st, nyc > 2030h > webcast > playing some (*) rendition of ornette coleman's classic, 'lonely woman' > !mini-performance! > > followed by tor snyder (ex-'revolutionary music ensemble') > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Mar 20 22:47:59 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA32104; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 22:47:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 22:47:59 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: NoelG26@aol.com Message-ID: <94.1fbb210.26084a03@aol.com> Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 22:44:03 EST Subject: Re: MP3 to WAV? How? To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Resent-Message-ID: <"7C7aj1.0.NY7.c0lru"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12988 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com whats up, I had the same problem, until about a week ago. I wanted to add mp3's to a CD. Here's how I did it: You must have winamp to do it. 1st. Open winamp, than press ctrl + p, which opens a box with winamp properties. 2nd. Under the "plug-ins" options go to output. 3rd. Under the output plugging box on the double click on the option that states : Nullsoft Disk Writer plug-in v1.0 (x86) [OUT_DISK.DL Choose the directory you want your WAV file to appear in when finished recording. After you have done this close the winamp preferences window and open a file. Mp3 or mp2 what ever file type you want to be converted to wav. And than press press play. Now when you do this, it will play very very very fast and you wont hear a thing. and immediately you will think, man I screwed up my winamp. You didn't. Its just recording it to a WAV file. After you have recorded everything you need. Check the directory you chose and the files should be in that folder. than to make your winamp start playing files again open the winamp preferences again by hitting ctrl+p and than to plugins than to out put and click on the option directly above the one you chose before. close the window and your mp3's and wav files should play normally again. that's what worked for me, because i have a cd full of mp3's. hope that helped ya! Later, Reese From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Mar 20 23:26:47 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA09240; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 23:26:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 23:26:47 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <004801bf92ec$019c2250$6d310140@concentric.net> From: "Larry Tremblay" To: References: Subject: Re: Philly Electro-Experimental Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 23:14:51 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"sh9vh1.0.2J1.PPlru"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12991 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > << Brian Eno & John Zorn. Does anyone have a suggestion on where > I should head next? >> > > Surfin' Bird by the Trashmen > Trout Mask Replica by Captain Beefheart > The Philosophy of the World by The Shaggs > > any of which qualifies as the Greatest Music Ever Written By Mankind. > The Shaggs! Another Shaggs fan. Truely one of the most disturbingly naive (which makes it GREAT!) contributions to mankind. Hard to top. "Where is foot-foot, oh where is foot-foot?" - The Shagg's From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Mar 20 23:22:00 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA08035; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 23:22:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 23:22:00 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <003301bf92e8$e5e066a0$6d310140@concentric.net> From: "Larry Tremblay" To: References: <3.0.6.32.20000320161052.008cf100@pop3.argotech.net> Subject: Re: Philly Electro-Experimental Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 22:52:35 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"XgG1q3.0.Rt7.Y4lru"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12989 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > My DL4 can beat up > your RDS... > Hey! My RDS 7.6 can beat up any DL4. ;-) From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Mar 20 23:23:02 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA08955; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 23:23:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 23:23:02 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <003e01bf92eb$6a2ff180$6d310140@concentric.net> From: "Larry Tremblay" To: References: <3.0.6.32.20000320161052.008cf100@pop3.argotech.net> <004201bf92cf$ba73cca0$b8425b80@upenn.edu> Subject: Where to head next: (Was --> Re: Philly Electro-Experimental) Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 23:10:36 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"Is6AZ.0.eB1.RLlru"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12990 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com After Eno and Zorn? There's a lot of territory in between them but here are some of the highlights: Terry Riley, Philip Glass (Two Pianos), "It's Gonna Rain" by Steve Reich. Captain Beefheart(one of the planets that Zorn visited), the "Confusion is Sex" LP from Sonic Youth. "Ascension" from Glenn Branca. NegativeLand's first album. Also, check out the Looper's Delight web site for some inspiration and leads, especially Michael Peter's essay "Birth of Loop". - Larry ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Petrozzi" To: Sent: Monday, March 20, 2000 7:52 PM Subject: Re: Philly Electro-Experimental > Wow, lots of aggression. Is it really worth it? I just joined this list a > few days ago so please forgive any sparks I may have stirred up. I assure > you this was not my intention in posting the original message! > > Looper content: I'm emerging from a mild obsession with the music and > philosophy of Brian Eno & John Zorn. Does anyone have a suggestion on where > I should head next? I'm looking for semi low-profile artists you guys > absolutely love that I have not yet stumbled upon...anyone come to mind? > > ~dp > > > _______________________ > singnature file omitted > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Mar 20 23:51:15 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA16024; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 23:51:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 23:51:15 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <27.32aa2e4.260858fd@aol.com> Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 23:47:57 EST Subject: Re: Philly Electro-Experimental To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 61 Resent-Message-ID: <"P_Mz41.0.Ze3.Yylru"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12993 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 3/20/00 11:01:25 PM Mid-Atlantic Standard Time, david97@wharton.upenn.edu writes: << I'm looking for semi low-profile artists you guys absolutely love that I have not yet stumbled upon...anyone come to mind? >> many people on this list....................michael From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Mar 20 23:39:15 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA13109; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 23:39:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 23:39:15 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <14.1cf4343.2608552d@aol.com> Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 23:31:41 EST Subject: Re: Philly Electro-Experimental To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 61 Resent-Message-ID: <"usbOp3.0.fa2.Jjlru"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12992 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 3/20/00 8:39:03 PM Mid-Atlantic Standard Time, Legion@voicenet.com writes: << Sorry this isn't a diatribe on the word Discipline, I just wanted to repost the original message since it seems people have ignored it in favor of it's sig: >> who from this neck off the woods will be there?...........i wouldnt mind drivin to philly to meet some loopers this weekend.........this could be our (east coast) version of the S.F. loopers purposed "loop/love feast" did someone say "beer"...........seriously now, kim should come up with some "smart" little item, an LD hat or some identifying article that could alert others that you are one hip dude or dudette..........kim, i know for a fact, big bucks lie in this direction or perhaps little doe............but anyhow, who is going to this event?...........michael From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Mar 21 00:52:49 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA01509; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 00:52:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 00:52:49 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: pvallad1@tampabay.rr.com Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000321002849.00b10e00@pop-server> X-Sender: pvallad1@pop-server X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 00:28:49 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Meadowlark Lemon Trio/Quartet In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"e1lNT1.0.86.trmru"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12997 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Some of you have seen my Tampa Bay area friends Dave and Misha post here. I like to catch them when I can with their ongoing band "experiment" Hazard Factor not only because they're nice, cool cats but also because it's been a different show every time by the nature of their "band as laboratory" idea. Well, after their St. Paddy's Day gig, we got a special treat. I ran into the two Johns that I met in tabla class a little while back. Taller John told me that hooked up Kid John with "these jazz guys". "These jazz guys" turned out to be an outfit called the Meadowlark Lemon Trio, with John as the newest member (technically they were a quartet that night). Then I saw Kid John and greeted him. "Remember I was talking about getting into sampling and electronic stuff?" He showed off his new Yamaha SU700 sampler. Hmm... this is a trumpet-playing kid who's getting into "electronic stuff", counts the likes of Dave Douglas and Tim Berne among his jazz heroes, and on top of all that is taking tabla class to expand his mind and musical soul even more. Should be an interesting gig, I thought to myself. I patiently waited while the band and sound guy struggled to solve the upright bass feedback problem, then sat back as the keyboard player launched into an opening solo. Then... the kid began to play... When my jaw wasn't lying on the floor, I was laughing in delight and disbelief at what was going on before my very eyes and ears. Don't get me wrong, it was really cool that John had two mics, one plugged into a wah pedal, the other plugged into the SU700 (he later explained it comes with a built-in effects processor that works for external audio) plus a little Radio Shack mixer; not to mention the sampler itself, from which he'd drop in samples and loops. But more than all the gear, what just blew me away was that this 18-year-old kid had the musical chops and maturity of a much, much older musician. It is truly inspiring, exciting, and terrifying all at once to see this much talent and creativity in someone so young. The gear was just the spicing that helped take their renditions of Freedom Jazz Dance and Gingerbread Boy to some otherworldly place. Afterwards, Taller John compared Kid John, as he is _today_ to Miles in his prime. I had to agree, because he used silence in his phrasing as effectively as he used his wah pedal and sampler. I can't even imagine where he'll be in his musical development just 5 years from now. This is why I like to go to see live music, just for the chance that an experience like this will come along. :) Paolo From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Mar 21 00:48:37 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA00310; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 00:48:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 00:48:37 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Hawkeye255@aol.com Message-ID: <4a.3044857.26085e20@aol.com> Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 00:09:52 EST Subject: Re: four-channel output/surround reverb To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 66 Resent-Message-ID: <"GqfIc1.0.OP7.Rimru"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12995 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Good Topic!! My venerable old Korg T3 makes makes four channel reverbs and delays fairly easy to accomplish, since it has four individual outs. In addition I use two Korg modules, one an X5DR (front) , the other an NS5R (rear or vice versa). In most small spaces where I play, I use two Altec Lansing computer speaker systems (both with subs). I think the more expensive of the two cost me $120. They put out all of 80 watts each. When I setup a 4-channel looping sequence, I simply program the two outs of one layerd sound (usually a pad) to pan left to right, when it reaches far right the other layered pad (different timbre) starts its pan from far left, etc. etc. etc. I also raise and drop the volume accordingly. With the two sound modules, I do the same thing, but in the opposite direction, with brighter timbres having more attack. And of course, I change direction occassionally, for variety. Easier to do than explain. Really easy if a sequence "template" has already been created; something I firmly believe in and use all the time. And never do the "pieces" ever come out sounding anywhere the same, twice, even when using the same "template". The timbre I choose for the melody and solo improvs over the top of this "swirl" really set the piece for me and the audience. I've spent several man-hours creating these templates on my little Roland PMA-5--some of the best time I've ever spent. When I go "live" I use different sounds than I've used before and vary the tempo live as well. And it makes me a very busy guy for that couple of hours. I usually do the melody with the Prophecy and my voice (setup down front, center stage away from the other gear). Occassionally I'll pick up a guitar, but only if I feel comfortable with that KEY for that particular number. (I'm not the most accomplished of string pickers ;-) ). My audio loopers can be placed anywhere in the output lines, since I have them connected as AUX send and returns to the mixer. I try to vary that alot. Having a midi-controlled mixer helps a lot too. I usually reserve channel 16 for the mixer and write it to the template last, if I use that feature at all. Most times I don't feel the need to. All that moving sound is easily accomplishd without a midi mixer by the way. Hope this helps a little, hawkeye From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Mar 21 00:45:13 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA31466; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 00:45:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 00:45:13 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38D701D8.2DBDD9EE@voicenet.com> Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 00:00:08 -0500 From: Legion X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Where to head next: (Was --> Re: Philly Electro-Experimental) References: <3.0.6.32.20000320161052.008cf100@pop3.argotech.net> <004201bf92cf$ba73cca0$b8425b80@upenn.edu> <003e01bf92eb$6a2ff180$6d310140@concentric.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"mgUlE.0.er4.2Cmru"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12994 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >Does anyone have a suggestion on where I should head next? I'm looking for semi low-profile artists you guys > absolutely love that I have not yet stumbled upon...anyone come to mind? Well... an ideal place would be to start with the Looper's Delight CD collection!!! For an intro to looping and the LD musicians I can't think of a better album to buy and with a few more sales on CD#1 We can finally get the first support check in Kim's hands and contribute something cashwise to the LD website. Here's full info, a track listing, as well as ordering instructions and a print out form for the Looper's Delight CD#1 and a link to the LD website and other LD CDs as well: http://www.voicenet.com/~legion/ldcd1.htm For those web impaired: To Order this CD please Send $12 (in the US) or $13 (from canada and the rest of the World) payable in US funds to: Help Wanted Productions - PO Box 2205, Phila., Pa 19103. Mark LDCD#1 and PLEASE remember to include a legible return address. Loop on! ----------------------------------------------------------------------- HELP WANTED PRODUCTIONS - Http://www.voicenet.com/~legion "Bringing you the best in Organic Electronic music since we started..." Home of the Unusual Instrument and Recording Gallery with pictures and info of Tube recorders, Omnichords, weird guitars, Casios, and more. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Mar 21 00:47:01 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA32590; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 00:47:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 00:47:01 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <001401bf92f6$4aefc1a0$b623dacf@sgoodman> Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: <3.0.6.32.20000320161052.008cf100@pop3.argotech.net> <003301bf92e8$e5e066a0$6d310140@concentric.net> Subject: Re: Philly Electro-Experimental Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 21:28:29 -0800 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"cGfsH1.0.qd7.Rkmru"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12996 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Yeah, well, my RDS 7.6 beat ME up this weekend, then it slapped me around a bit for effect, onsite at a place that had no friggin' 3-prong outlets! [rolling eyes] I ended up having to cut it out of the process, as it turned - in THAT environment, with only two prongs itself - into a real noise source. Awful experience - and I'm not sure anyone noticed anyway... :) But now that we're all here, what's the best method of grounding this otherwise-wonderful unit? Stephen Goodman EarthLight Productions * http://www.earthlight.net "Larry Tremblay" boasted: > > My DL4 can beat up > > your RDS... > > > > Hey! My RDS 7.6 can beat up any DL4. ;-) > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Mar 21 01:49:24 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA15059; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 01:49:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 01:49:24 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 22:42:47 -0800 From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Philly Electro-Experimental In-reply-to: <14.1cf4343.2608552d@aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"cpOji1.0.2W3.Wfnru"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12998 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >...........seriously now, kim should come up with some >"smart" little item, an LD hat or some identifying article that could alert >others that you are one hip dude or dudette..........kim, i know for a fact, >big bucks lie in this direction or perhaps little doe............ I recommend you all put your thumb and first finger in the shape of an 'L' (for Looper) and hold it over your forehead while you walk around the club. sorry, couldn't resist. ;-) kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Mar 21 05:34:23 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA10005; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 05:34:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 05:34:23 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38D7CB7F.9963E4E6@vtx.ch> Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 11:20:31 -0800 From: Claude voit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d unsubscribe shit please References: <30165000.953596726401.JavaMail.imail@tiptoe> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"QXPuC1.0.ZK2.Qzqru"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12999 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com cdoyle6@excite.com wrote: > > stop sending me shit!!!!!! > mr new you asked for shit you got it therefore you'll need to remove it all yourself at the place where you ordered it: the home of looping unsubscribe shit http://www.annihilist.com/loop/list/LoopList.html From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Mar 21 08:39:54 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA20022; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 08:39:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 08:39:54 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Texture444@aol.com Message-ID: <4d.23c3538.2608d37a@aol.com> Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 08:30:34 EST Subject: Re: OT sudden torn revision To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Resent-Message-ID: <"f-B3y.0.9T4.Zctru"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13001 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com tom, wow. they still makin' them thangs? anyway: twas *nicht* eine kollaborazione, really: just a friend's recording what i 'produced'. best, dt > rags to riches . . > > Marty Fogel's collaboration with DT ("Bobbing Heads . . . ") arrives in the > mail and now this . . . > > keen . . . > > Tom Lambrecht > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Monday, March 20, 2000 11:43 AM > Subject: OT sudden torn revision > > > > torn & will calhoun (last minute addition: what a pal, will is!) > > 3/20/00, monday > > knitting factory, leonard st, nyc > > 2030h > > webcast > > playing some (*) rendition of ornette coleman's classic, 'lonely woman' > > !mini-performance! > > > > followed by tor snyder (ex-'revolutionary music ensemble') > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Mar 21 08:37:34 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA19867; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 08:37:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 08:37:34 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Texture444@aol.com Message-ID: <55.389133c.2608d272@aol.com> Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 08:26:10 EST Subject: RE: OT sudden torn revision To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Resent-Message-ID: <"Cq-Ya.0.XE4.PYtru"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13000 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com dt, > ok, look there is only one real DT and that's me, Denis Taaffe, who > is this imposter David Torn>? hahah. Actually, I think David Torn may be a > little older than me. I actually remember a soundpage in Guitar Player with > David Torn, am I right about this?. I still have it on cassette somewhere. > It was very cool back then. SO who is the real DT? Is there space in the > world for Two? hhaa.I had only been playing for maybe three years when that > soundpage came out.Back then, I thought it was cool, but I didn't grasp what > he was doing with those long delays. . Some nice stuff though!!!! So DT#1, > if your reading this , how about filling us in on how that soundpage came > about and what it was like for you when it came out? ummm, unnhhh, yup, well: yoo younguns cain't *possibly* spect me to r'member, kin ya's? dt From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Mar 21 09:09:15 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA27978; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 09:09:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 09:09:15 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Texture444@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 08:52:30 EST Subject: Re: Philly Electro-Experimental To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Resent-Message-ID: <"cmMXb3.0.Vr5.5xtru"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13002 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com right! sorry that i can't attend. best, dt(orn) > Sorry this isn't a diatribe on the word Discipline, I just wanted to > repost the original message since it seems people have ignored it in > favor of it's sig: > > This is an amazing concert series put together by a local DJ and > promoter (DJ Spacling of WKDU). He's has numerous groups playing in one > of the most relaxed and comfortable environments I've ever experienced. > The Rotunda is part of a cathedral which has excellent acoustics and the > sound system, and house PA team are top notch. > > If you're in Phila Pa this weekend you should definitely check out this > show. Many past and present loopers have performed at this series and it > will be well worth your while. > > > > Just to alert the curious, the monthly electronic/experimental music > > session-- "Gate to Moonbase Alpha" --will be held in West Philadelphia > > this Saturday evening. The Gate showcases Philly local composers > > involved in ambient, drum & bass, and other electronic pursuits which > > are not as easily categorized. Admission is always free and the show > > will be held at the newly renovated Rotunda, an old school venue on > > 4012 Walnut St. by the UPENN campus. The chaos begins around 8:00. > > Inquiries welcome. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Mar 21 10:52:21 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA23438; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 10:52:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 10:52:21 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <003301bf934b$fca400a0$e2310140@concentric.net> From: "Larry Tremblay" To: References: Subject: Re: Philly Electro-Experimental Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 10:41:53 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"IJNX5.0.1_4.ZTvru"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13003 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > I recommend you all put your thumb and first finger in the shape of an 'L' > (for Looper) and hold it over your forehead while you walk around the club. > LOL! Seriously, here's a simple idea for a t-shirt that kinda says it for me: An illustration of a Mobius Strip beneath the words Looper's Delight. Small version printed on the front left pocket area, large version on the back. Any comments? Any other proud loopers think this would be a cool T? - Larry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kim Flint" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2000 1:42 AM Subject: Re: Philly Electro-Experimental > >...........seriously now, kim should come up with some > >"smart" little item, an LD hat or some identifying article that could alert > >others that you are one hip dude or dudette..........kim, i know for a fact, > >big bucks lie in this direction or perhaps little doe............ > > I recommend you all put your thumb and first finger in the shape of an 'L' > (for Looper) and hold it over your forehead while you walk around the club. > > > > sorry, couldn't resist. ;-) > kim > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html > http://www.annihilist.com/ | > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Mar 21 11:16:43 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA30171; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 11:16:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 11:16:43 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38D79CC6.DC271A4F@pop.agri.ch> Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 17:01:09 +0100 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Jes=FAs=20Turi=F1o?= Reply-To: j-turino@pop.agri.ch Organization: i45 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [de] (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: de,es MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Philly Electro-Experimental References: <003301bf934b$fca400a0$e2310140@concentric.net> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------B649585E051AE4A99406F81F" Resent-Message-ID: <"zUC962.0.0R6.brvru"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13004 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Dies ist eine mehrteilige Nachricht im MIME-Format. --------------B649585E051AE4A99406F81F Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit yes ... and on our right shoulder we all tattoo a L ;-((( Larry Tremblay schrieb: > > I recommend you all put your thumb and first finger in the shape of an 'L' > > (for Looper) and hold it over your forehead while you walk around the > club. > > > > LOL! Seriously, here's a simple idea for a t-shirt that kinda > says it for me: An illustration of a Mobius Strip beneath the > words Looper's Delight. Small version printed on the front left > pocket area, large version on the back. > > Any comments? Any other proud loopers think this would be > a cool T? > > - Larry > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kim Flint" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2000 1:42 AM > Subject: Re: Philly Electro-Experimental > > > >...........seriously now, kim should come up with some > > >"smart" little item, an LD hat or some identifying article that could > alert > > >others that you are one hip dude or dudette..........kim, i know for a > fact, > > >big bucks lie in this direction or perhaps little doe............ > > > > I recommend you all put your thumb and first finger in the shape of an 'L' > > (for Looper) and hold it over your forehead while you walk around the > club. > > > > > > > > sorry, couldn't resist. ;-) > > kim > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > > kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html > > http://www.annihilist.com/ | > > > > > > --------------B649585E051AE4A99406F81F Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="j-turino.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Visitenkarte fŸr Jesœs Turi–o Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="j-turino.vcf" begin:vcard n:Turińo ;Jesús tel;fax:+41 41 761 33 91 (G) tel;home:+41 41 210 39 69 tel;work:+41 41 761 26 42 x-mozilla-html:FALSE url:www.i45.ch org:i45 Zug adr:;;Waldstätterstrasse 16;Luzern;Luzern;6003;Switzerland version:2.1 email;internet:j-turino@pop.agri.ch x-mozilla-cpt:;1 fn:Jesús Turińo end:vcard --------------B649585E051AE4A99406F81F-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Mar 21 11:46:53 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA05054; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 11:46:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 11:46:53 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Texture444@aol.com Message-ID: <71.19c005a.2608fb47@aol.com> Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 11:20:23 EST Subject: OT again: torn joint To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Resent-Message-ID: <"P_N2J.0.wg7.f5wru"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13006 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com forgiveness, please, for another OT: i posted this, awready, but it didn't seemta get through. there's now a chat-house for folk interested in my stuff available, here: http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/davidtorncell ifya wanna go. best, dt(orn) From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Mar 21 11:26:23 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA00336; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 11:26:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 11:26:23 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <05cf01bf934f$f74a3bc0$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: Subject: Re: Philly Electro-Experimental Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 11:10:23 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"Sd6DX3.0.IE7.Q0wru"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13005 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >An illustration of a Mobius Strip beneath the >words Looper's Delight. Small version printed on the front left >pocket area, large version on the back. > >Any comments? Any other proud loopers think this would be >a cool T? Put me down for 2! XL! (And include the LD URL.) Dennis Leas ----------------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Mar 21 12:08:45 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA11190; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 12:08:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 12:08:45 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <002c01bf9352$1fcea160$4632dacf@sgoodman> Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: <003301bf934b$fca400a0$e2310140@concentric.net> Subject: Re: Philly Electro-Experimental Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 08:25:50 -0800 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"gf6zG3.0.J5.mAwru"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13007 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Just so long as it doesn't look like the icon/logo I've been using for the Loop of the Week since '96, I don't mind at all. :) Stephen Goodman EarthLight Productions * http://www.earthlight.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Tremblay" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2000 7:41 AM Subject: Re: Philly Electro-Experimental > > I recommend you all put your thumb and first finger in the shape of an 'L' > > (for Looper) and hold it over your forehead while you walk around the > club. > > > > LOL! Seriously, here's a simple idea for a t-shirt that kinda > says it for me: An illustration of a Mobius Strip beneath the > words Looper's Delight. Small version printed on the front left > pocket area, large version on the back. > > Any comments? Any other proud loopers think this would be > a cool T? > > - Larry > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kim Flint" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2000 1:42 AM > Subject: Re: Philly Electro-Experimental > > > > >...........seriously now, kim should come up with some > > >"smart" little item, an LD hat or some identifying article that could > alert > > >others that you are one hip dude or dudette..........kim, i know for a > fact, > > >big bucks lie in this direction or perhaps little doe............ > > > > I recommend you all put your thumb and first finger in the shape of an 'L' > > (for Looper) and hold it over your forehead while you walk around the > club. > > > > > > > > sorry, couldn't resist. ;-) > > kim > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > > kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html > > http://www.annihilist.com/ | > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Mar 21 12:27:28 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA15270; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 12:27:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 12:27:28 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Phaedebk@aol.com Message-ID: <57.34ef557.260906aa@aol.com> Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 12:08:58 EST Subject: Re: four-channel output/surround reverb To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 33 Resent-Message-ID: <"Di9dD1.0.8m2.Dpwru"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13008 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Dear Dennis, About the only way that I know of doing this is to use a pair of stereo reverbs or a trio of stereo reverbs such that you'd end up with something like this: front of the audience front of the audience _ | | | | back of the audience back of the audience You'd probably want to make sure that all of the reverbs were the same model and mods to them and essentially they would each have an output to the front series of speakers and then an output to the rear as well. I've worked with the three reverb method using a set of Alesis MIDIVerbs which were all set to a soft ping pong effect. Flip side of this was trying to get everything all wired up outside of the house speaker/board system which everything else was going through at the time. As for getting a real surround sound set up or THX, I know that there is computer equipment out there for it, and at last go it was all rather expensive. Loop on, patch out! Lee-ohki. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Mar 21 12:44:15 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA19688; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 12:44:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 12:44:15 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Texture444@aol.com Message-ID: <2f.2dcddea.26090cae@aol.com> Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 12:34:38 EST Subject: OT:narrowmindedrant (was PhillyExperimental) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by rosy.yourwebhost.com id MAA17722 Resent-Message-ID: <"kUak4.0.AL4.HBxru"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13009 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com rich, ouch. we do inhabit a *community* comprised of very varied individual concerns, so: i remind myself that the specifics that capture *my* interest do *not* necessarily engage *yours*. maybe you could filter-out (ie, trash) the 'over-intellectualised' shite that bugs ya, eg: you could merely delete the posts that contain subject-lines that irritate you, or --more extremely-- those that arrive from folks that you've thunk to be 'narrow-minded' & intellectually 'competitive'. anyway. btw: which 'job' *is* it that has to get 'done'? *-() best, dt(orn) > What is it with this list lately, where one of you will put up some obscure > quote, or statement...just to make a point, and it opens up a can of worms > where you all try to out-intellectualize each other? > > Reading email that is interesting to me, and pertinent to the music form i > like to engage in TAKES UP ENOUGH OF MY TIME ALREADY... > > Your narrow minded rants are geting boring. Imagine if i tore someone a > new asshole, just because they used a Headrush to get the job done, and me, > i used an EDP. And then a few other people chimed in, telling just how > OBVIOUS it was that the Jam Man was the supreme deal. My DL4 can beat up > your RDS... > > It's the same thing your doing...just with your politics, your philosophy, > your favorite authors, your opinions... > > shut up and get the job done. > > > rich > > > > At 11:56 PM 3/20/00 +0100, you wrote: > > > > > >SketchyJoe@aol.com schrieb: > > > >> Discipline is a function of order. If a being functions and works within a > >> set of rules without a second party enforcing these rules, that being is > >> excersizing discipline. Bliss (or happiness) emerges from working > within the > >> rules to the point at which the rules are forgotten. > > > >This philosophy is deep middle age ... sorry, get up to date. Try Erik H. > >Erikson or Lawrence Kohlberg to learn the new (education) theory. > > > >> > >> > >> I was thinking about this as I was driving home from my day job (grade > school > >> music teacher). Children work best under rules. > > > >??? > > > >> This gives them a structure > >> in which to be a well-behaved member of society. > > > >"a well behaved member of society?" ... or a conform, uncritical member of a > >nearly fascist community? ... wake up, we are living in the year 2000, > 1960 is > >over! > > > >> When this structure is not > >> apparent or if the rules they are taught come in conflict with other > thought > >> patterns, they act out. > > > >It's not true ... I work with children/kids, too and I teach (better say > >animate) them, to set their own rules ... people have to learn, to get more > >responsable for their acting, not to obey fix, given rules. > >Help your kids ... teach them to think free. > > > >> In the same way, we react against patterns that come > >> in conflict with our own models for existence. It's like trying to > >> understand 13/8 when all you've heard is 6/8 or 4/4. > > > >Sorry, this is bullshit ... music is deep inside humans and it's one or > theirs > >ground-abilitys. > > > >> Or trying to listen to > >> something like Schoenberg when your concept of "classical" music is as > >> contemporary as Beethoven. I personally try to teach that the > exploration of > >> these boundries reveals that they are only temporary at best and that they > >> all are stepping stones to more abstract concepts that are still part of > the > >> same whole. > > > >:( > > > >> Machines are the only truly disciplined beings: Work to your > >> computational limit (and that's why I torture machines without pity). > > > >Torture machines? ...torturing yourself would be better, the > >machines/instruments just helps you, to explain your feelings. > > > >> As you > >> may guess, I'm not a very fun teacher. > > > >That I'll belive for shure!!! ... my kids love me, not because i'm weak or to > >soft, but I try to understand them. > >And don't forget ... childrens are humans, too ... just in case you forgot. > > > >Not later, now -, your thinkings made me furious. > >jesús > > > >> > >> > >> Later! > >> Joe > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Mar 21 13:52:53 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA04400; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 13:52:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 13:52:53 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <013701bf9364$5727c4e0$327979a5@cliff> From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: OT- Wow Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 10:36:10 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0134_01BF9321.4612BC20" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Resent-Message-ID: <"7RjCO3.0.gw7.D1yru"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13010 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0134_01BF9321.4612BC20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable wow. http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3D285490238 ------=_NextPart_000_0134_01BF9321.4612BC20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_0134_01BF9321.4612BC20-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Mar 21 14:41:15 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA17897; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 14:41:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 14:41:15 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <004601bf936b$38d489e0$e2310140@concentric.net> From: "Larry Tremblay" To: "Stephen P. Goodman" , References: <003301bf934b$fca400a0$e2310140@concentric.net> <002c01bf9352$1fcea160$4632dacf@sgoodman> Subject: Re: Mobius Strip (was Philly Electro-Experimental) Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 14:25:29 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"UuOdE2.0.T23.6myru"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13011 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Oh, I didn't realize you owned the Mobius Strip. :) - Larry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2000 11:25 AM Subject: Re: Philly Electro-Experimental > Just so long as it doesn't look like the icon/logo I've been using for the > Loop of the Week since '96, I don't mind at all. :) > > Stephen Goodman > EarthLight Productions * http://www.earthlight.net > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Larry Tremblay" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2000 7:41 AM > Subject: Re: Philly Electro-Experimental > > > > > I recommend you all put your thumb and first finger in the shape of an > 'L' > > > (for Looper) and hold it over your forehead while you walk around the > > club. > > > > > > > LOL! Seriously, here's a simple idea for a t-shirt that kinda > > says it for me: An illustration of a Mobius Strip beneath the > > words Looper's Delight. Small version printed on the front left > > pocket area, large version on the back. > > > > Any comments? Any other proud loopers think this would be > > a cool T? > > > > - Larry > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Kim Flint" > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2000 1:42 AM > > Subject: Re: Philly Electro-Experimental > > > > > > > >...........seriously now, kim should come up with some > > > >"smart" little item, an LD hat or some identifying article that could > > alert > > > >others that you are one hip dude or dudette..........kim, i know for a > > fact, > > > >big bucks lie in this direction or perhaps little doe............ > > > > > > I recommend you all put your thumb and first finger in the shape of an > 'L' > > > (for Looper) and hold it over your forehead while you walk around the > > club. > > > > > > > > > > > > sorry, couldn't resist. ;-) > > > kim > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > > > kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html > > > http://www.annihilist.com/ | > > > > > > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Mar 21 15:13:43 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA25966; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 15:13:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 15:13:43 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <002301bf9371$49f5db60$b4da44d1@gary> From: "Gary Lehmann" To: References: <013701bf9364$5727c4e0$327979a5@cliff> Subject: Drum machine for loops Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 12:08:51 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0020_01BF932E.382FD220" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <"UGRq92.0.Rm5.RNzru"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13013 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0020_01BF932E.382FD220 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello all-- I just started receiving this list and it's very interesting. My = question concerns using a drum machine triggered by MIDI clock. I'm = using the Jamman, Cakewalk on a laptop, the GT-3 and the PMC 10 foot = controller, as well as an SR-16. Well, the drum machine changes kits, = not patches, thru program change and that isn't what I need. What drum = machine would you recommend at that price point ($150) which does change = patterns thru program changes? By the way, does the Oberheim respond to MIDI? I wish the Boomerang did = . . .=20 Gary ------=_NextPart_000_0020_01BF932E.382FD220 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello all--
I just started receiving this list and it's very=20 interesting.  My question concerns using a drum machine triggered = by MIDI=20 clock.  I'm using the Jamman, Cakewalk on a laptop, the GT-3 and = the PMC 10=20 foot controller, as well as an SR-16.  Well, the drum machine = changes kits,=20 not patches, thru program change and that isn't what I need.  What = drum=20 machine would you recommend at that price point ($150) which does change = patterns thru program changes?
By the way, does the Oberheim respond to MIDI?  = I wish=20 the Boomerang did . . .
Gary
------=_NextPart_000_0020_01BF932E.382FD220-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Mar 21 15:27:28 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA29304; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 15:27:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 15:27:28 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <000901bf936e$ef1a5830$e2310140@concentric.net> From: "Larry Tremblay" To: "Loopers" Subject: FYI: Mother Mallard's Mobius Tape Loop Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 14:52:03 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"GVfuB2.0.2m4.28zru"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13012 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com For those who aren't familiar with, or are just unaware of the Mobius Loop's relevance, here's an excerpt from an interview with Mother Mallard (one of the first all-synth bands from the late-1960's/early 1970's: "A few of our pieces, like Steve's CERES MOTION employed the use of a mobius strip tape loop. Gordon Mumma turned us on to these. They came in various time lengths. You could tape something live and at the end of the tape, turn off the record button and play it back instantly. Each of us had a stopwatch to keep track of the loop lengths. The first part of CERES MOTION is what is now commonly called a pad. Steve and I recorded the pad (around 5 minutes), played it back instantly, and being a loop, it would go on forever until we turned off the tape recorder." The whole interview is at: http://members.aol.com/Cuneiform3/mallard.html - Larry From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Mar 21 15:29:15 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA30321; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 15:29:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 15:29:15 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 15:16:52 EST Subject: Re: Philly Electro-Experimental To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 61 Resent-Message-ID: <"uYwj6.0.EW6.TZzru"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13014 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 3/21/00 4:50:02 AM Mid-Atlantic Standard Time, kflint@annihilist.com writes: << I recommend you all put your thumb and first finger in the shape of an 'L' (for Looper) and hold it over your forehead while you walk around the club. >> who didnt see that comin................:)......michael From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Mar 21 15:37:41 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA32186; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 15:37:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 15:37:41 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38D7D72F.DC2B83BD@quik.com> Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 12:10:23 -0800 From: "Rev. Doubt-Goat" Reply-To: dgoat@sekhetmaat.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Philly Electro-Experimental References: <3.0.6.32.20000320161052.008cf100@pop3.argotech.net> <004201bf92cf$ba73cca0$b8425b80@upenn.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Jleep2.0.g47.jfzru"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13015 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com 93 David Petrozzi wrote: > > Wow, lots of aggression. Is it really worth it? I just joined this list a > few days ago so please forgive any sparks I may have stirred up. I assure > you this was not my intention in posting the original message! > > Looper content: I'm emerging from a mild obsession with the music and > philosophy of Brian Eno & John Zorn. Does anyone have a suggestion on where > I should head next? I'm looking for semi low-profile artists you guys > absolutely love that I have not yet stumbled upon...anyone come to mind? David Torn and Robert Fripp. 93 Fr. Doubt-Goat From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Mar 21 15:30:51 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA30708; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 15:30:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 15:30:51 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38D7D782.6F9961D4@quik.com> Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 12:11:46 -0800 From: "Rev. Doubt-Goat" Reply-To: dgoat@sekhetmaat.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: four-channel output/surround reverb References: <051c01bf92ac$a35c0410$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"oD4xs3.0.z47.kfzru"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13016 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com 93 "Dennis W. Leas" wrote: > I've been experimenting with four-channel looping. That is, looping through > four discrete output channels. Looping sounds that rotate in your sonic space, > etc... > > How do you do four-channel reverb? Every reverb unit I'm familiar with does > stereo at most and mono at least. Anybody doing four-channel or surround-sound > reverberation? Any links? Ideas? Use 4 reverb units in mono, or 2 reverb units in stereo. 93 Rev. Doubt-Goat From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Mar 21 16:42:04 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA15520; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 16:42:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 16:42:04 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: alex@cliff.pixar.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <000901bf936e$ef1a5830$e2310140@concentric.net> Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 13:34:18 -0800 To: From: Alex Stahl Subject: Re: FYI: Mother Mallard's Mobius Tape Loop Resent-Message-ID: <"GMBia3.0.Fg3.Ak-ru"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13017 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com A Mobius strip is made by taking a strip-- a ribbon or piece of tape for example, twisting it one-half turn, and joining the ends. The half-twist gives a Mobius strip its famous one-sidedness. But if you threaded this through a tape recorder, the oxide surface would pass the heads only every other pass. On alternate passes you would be attempting to play back the backside of the tape, which might give you a muffled print-through-y kind of sound but that is probably not what you meant. I suspect they used a simple two-sided tape loop, not a true Mobius strip. >For those who aren't familiar with, or are just unaware of the >Mobius Loop's relevance, here's an excerpt from an interview >with Mother Mallard (one of the first all-synth bands from the >late-1960's/early 1970's: > >"A few of our pieces, like Steve's CERES MOTION employed the use of a >mobius strip tape loop. Gordon Mumma turned us on to these. They came >in various time lengths. You could tape something live and at the end >of the tape, turn off the record button and play it back instantly. Each >of us had a stopwatch to keep track of the loop lengths. The first part >of CERES MOTION is what is now commonly called a pad. Steve and I recorded >the pad (around 5 minutes), played it back instantly, and being a loop, >it would go on forever until we turned off the tape recorder." > >The whole interview is at: >http://members.aol.com/Cuneiform3/mallard.html > >- Larry From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Mar 21 17:11:52 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA23017; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 17:11:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 17:11:52 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: doug@pop.lightlink.com (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 17:04:45 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Doug Wyatt Subject: Re: FYI: Mother Mallard's Mobius Tape Loop Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <"vAmQC1.0.hJ5.lA_ru"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13018 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thanks for reminding me, it's shameless plug time :-) We (Mother Mallard) are playing at the Smithsonian in Washington DC on Saturday, April 15, with special guest Keith Emerson. For more info: http://www.si.edu/lemelson/events/calendar.html#apr The band web page is at: http://www.mothermallard.cornell.edu/ I understand the venue is fairly small, so if you want to go, it would be wise to purchase tickets in advance. To get back to the thread, tangentially: when we performed Ceres Motion in October, we recorded the intro live to DAT at a rehearsal, then used ProTools to crossfade a few cycles of it together onto another DAT which was played back in performance. We'll probably use that same "tape" loop in April. Ah well. Doug -- Doug Wyatt doug@sonosphere.com http://www.sonosphere.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Mar 21 17:23:41 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA25606; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 17:23:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 17:23:41 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <064101bf9381$cb7797e0$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: Subject: Re: Mother Mallard's Mobius Tape Loop Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 17:07:05 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"qBxY-.0.0e5.lE_ru"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13019 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >"A few of our pieces, like Steve's CERES MOTION employed the use of a >mobius strip tape loop. Gordon Mumma turned us on to these. They came >in various time lengths. You could tape something live and at the end >of the tape, turn off the record button and play it back instantly. Each >of us had a stopwatch to keep track of the loop lengths. The first part >of CERES MOTION is what is now commonly called a pad. Steve and I recorded >the pad (around 5 minutes), played it back instantly, and being a loop, >it would go on forever until we turned off the tape recorder." Interesting read... I must admit, though, that I still don't understand how a mobius strip tape loop is much different than a two-sided tape loop. I mean apart from requiring oxide on BOTH sides. Wouldn't a regular tape loop of twice the length produce the same result? I think I missed something. Dennis Leas ----------------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Mar 21 18:59:16 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA15947; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 18:59:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 18:59:16 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <24.29e8ca2.260965f0@aol.com> Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 18:55:28 EST Subject: CT-PrOjEcT nEwS To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 61 Resent-Message-ID: <"vPoKA.0.ge3.Jm0su"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13020 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com The mp3 version of AKAPELLA is up at http://www.loopxchange.com...........enjoy...........and remember, "keep the campfire burnin"......................thank you.....................m From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Mar 21 19:50:58 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA27657; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 19:50:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 19:50:58 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: klaw@pop.iglou.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <24.29e8ca2.260965f0@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Keenan Lawler Subject: Elliott Sharp Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 19:46:15 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: <"ZtXxd3.0.jS6.OV1su"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13021 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >Hi all -had a great time hanging out with & opening for E# in Lexington Ky >last night Elliott's performance was astonishing to say the least -his >looping (boomerang)his musical invective use of max/msp - sampling -just >phenomenal ! any one on list in Pittsburg do check him out this evening -Tuesday Princeton on Wed k From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Mar 21 21:49:25 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA22887; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 21:49:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 21:49:25 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Jax1723@aol.com Message-ID: <9b.2db42cc.26098dc7@aol.com> Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 21:45:27 EST Subject: Re: Philly Electro-Experimental To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 70 Resent-Message-ID: <"Xe1B52.0.jU5.hF3su"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13023 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 3/21/2000 3:34:05 PM Eastern Standard Time, Loopers-Delight-d-request@annihilist.com writes: > > I recommend you all put your thumb and first finger in the shape of an 'L' > > (for Looper) and hold it over your forehead while you walk around the > club. > > > > LOL! Seriously, here's a simple idea for a t-shirt that kinda > says it for me: An illustration of a Mobius Strip beneath the > words Looper's Delight. Small version printed on the front left > pocket area, large version on the back. > > Any comments? Any other proud loopers think this would be > a cool T? > > - Larry > I could probably make this happen... been screen-printing for about a decade now and work in a shop owned by a very cool guy who lets me do jobs on the side all the time... could work it out so that some of the cash goes to the LD website. just food for thought. cheers jack From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Mar 21 21:48:41 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA22797; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 21:48:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 21:48:41 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000322023009.4073.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [198.64.14.145] From: "George Washington" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: four-channel output/surround reverb Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 20:30:08 CST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"nw2oo2.0.Lb4.H13su"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13022 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hello Loopites, Just for fun I have a Five in put four output powerd mixer that was intended to be used in shopping mall/retail enviroments. The outputs are called zones and any channel can be sent to any zone at any level. Each input has its own effect loop ect ect... If any body is interested in buying it for 220 dollars email me @ Mykaren5@hotmail.com. I will send a copy of the manual for what ever photocopies and postage costs to especially interested parties. Jeremiah ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Mar 22 01:10:27 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA09254; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 01:10:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 01:10:27 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38D863CF.4708D06@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 22:10:31 -0800 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: (was) Philly Electro-Experimental References: <9b.2db42cc.26098dc7@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"9sq3e2.0.--1.DC6su"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13024 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Jax1723@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 3/21/2000 3:34:05 PM Eastern Standard Time, > Loopers-Delight-d-request@annihilist.com writes: > > > > I recommend you all put your thumb and first finger in the shape of an 'L' > > > (for Looper) and hold it over your forehead while you walk around the > > club. > > > > > > > LOL! Seriously, here's a simple idea for a t-shirt that kinda > > says it for me: An illustration of a Mobius Strip beneath the > > words Looper's Delight. Small version printed on the front left > > pocket area, large version on the back. > > > > Any comments? Any other proud loopers think this would be > > a cool T? > > > > - Larry > > > I could probably make this happen... been screen-printing for about a decade > now and work in a shop owned by a very cool guy who lets me do jobs on the > side all the time... could work it out so that some of the cash goes to the > LD website. just food for thought. > cheers > jack yo, where are you located? i might have need of such a thang from time to time... lance g. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Mar 22 03:02:40 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA02242; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 03:02:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 03:02:40 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Sender: r_t_cummings@compuserve.com Message-ID: <38D80271.394297E2@compuserve.com> Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 00:14:57 +0100 From: Cummings X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [de] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Meadowlark Lemon Trio/Quartet References: <3.0.6.32.20000321002849.00b10e00@pop-server> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"b8utE.0.mF.Yr7su"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13026 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com interesting how this miles 70's thing has attracted SO many musicians in the last couple years. e.g. wadada smith and henry kaiser, bobby previte's bitches brew thang and ponga, tim hagan's last blue note album, bob belden's live stuff, ... etc. was miles just THAT far ahead of the rest of us? and i remember how everyone (me too) used to trash his 70's stuff ... in the 80's of course. ;-) anyway man, that's the man-machine interface that lsd helped us to recognize as the evolution of life on earth, right? (do i sound like ray manzarek or what?) only problem was, some of the explorers went a little too far beyond the rest of the boat - and we thought they were tellin' tall tales. boy, and to think that i still have a hard time convincing "jazz" musicians that "machines" can be creative ... ;-) l8ter, rob pvallad1@tampabay.rr.com schrieb: > > > Some of you have seen my Tampa Bay area friends Dave and Misha post here. > I like to catch them when I can with their ongoing band "experiment" Hazard > Factor not only because they're nice, cool cats but also because it's been > a different show every time by the nature of their "band as laboratory" idea. > > Well, after their St. Paddy's Day gig, we got a special treat. I ran into > the two Johns that I met in tabla class a little while back. Taller John > told me that hooked up Kid John with "these jazz guys". "These jazz guys" > turned out to be an outfit called the Meadowlark Lemon Trio, with John as > the newest member (technically they were a quartet that night). Then I saw > Kid John and greeted him. "Remember I was talking about getting into > sampling and electronic stuff?" He showed off his new Yamaha SU700 > sampler. Hmm... this is a trumpet-playing kid who's getting into > "electronic stuff", counts the likes of Dave Douglas and Tim Berne among > his jazz heroes, and on top of all that is taking tabla class to expand his > mind and musical soul even more. Should be an interesting gig, I thought > to myself. > > I patiently waited while the band and sound guy struggled to solve the > upright bass feedback problem, then sat back as the keyboard player > launched into an opening solo. Then... the kid began to play... > > When my jaw wasn't lying on the floor, I was laughing in delight and > disbelief at what was going on before my very eyes and ears. Don't get me > wrong, it was really cool that John had two mics, one plugged into a wah > pedal, the other plugged into the SU700 (he later explained it comes with a > built-in effects processor that works for external audio) plus a little > Radio Shack mixer; not to mention the sampler itself, from which he'd drop > in samples and loops. But more than all the gear, what just blew me away > was that this 18-year-old kid had the musical chops and maturity of a much, > much older musician. It is truly inspiring, exciting, and terrifying all > at once to see this much talent and creativity in someone so young. The > gear was just the spicing that helped take their renditions of Freedom Jazz > Dance and Gingerbread Boy to some otherworldly place. Afterwards, Taller > John compared Kid John, as he is _today_ to Miles in his prime. I had to > agree, because he used silence in his phrasing as effectively as he used > his wah pedal and sampler. I can't even imagine where he'll be in his > musical development just 5 years from now. > > This is why I like to go to see live music, just for the chance that an > experience like this will come along. :) > > Paolo From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Mar 22 03:02:40 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA02241; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 03:02:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 03:02:40 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Sender: r_t_cummings@compuserve.com Message-ID: <38D7FC2C.5E4BE5BB@compuserve.com> Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 23:48:12 +0100 From: Cummings X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [de] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: four-channel output/surround reverb References: <051c01bf92ac$a35c0410$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"zhKGi.0.bF.Qr7su"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13025 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com another way would be to implement a software solution. i visited some lectures at the sound design department at the technical university in berlin a year or so ago where they work on octaphonics. they showed us software for "drawing" pans between the 8 speakers. of course, these channels could contain "dry" signals or effect returns (e.g. reverb) or whatever. the composers there have done many pieces requiring this setup. unfortunately, the music they do is very intellectual - you're usually given a philosophical text to examine while listening to the piece - you know, ram the information that is sound through the transformation matrices of our brains's intrinsic perceptual encoding system. and not to forget: stockhausen was doing really great things with multisource sound back in the 60's (e.g. worldex at osaka). l8ter, rob Dennis W. Leas schrieb: > > > Hello Loopers! > > I've been experimenting with four-channel looping. That is, looping through > four discrete output channels. Looping sounds that rotate in your sonic space, > etc... > > How do you do four-channel reverb? Every reverb unit I'm familiar with does > stereo at most and mono at least. Anybody doing four-channel or surround-sound > reverberation? Any links? Ideas? > > Dennis Leas > ----------------------------- > dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Mar 22 03:45:06 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA11317; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 03:45:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 03:45:06 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 00:14:36 -0800 From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Drum machine for loops In-reply-to: <002301bf9371$49f5db60$b4da44d1@gary> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <013701bf9364$5727c4e0$327979a5@cliff> Resent-Message-ID: <"yGaSx3.0.S91.W58su"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13027 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 12:08 PM -0800 3/21/00, Gary Lehmann wrote: >By the way, does the Oberheim >respond to MIDI? yes, the echoplex is fully midified. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Mar 22 11:51:54 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA19143; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 11:51:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 11:51:54 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <55.39dbb8d.260a5314@aol.com> Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 11:47:16 EST Subject: Re: Elliott Sharp To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 61 Resent-Message-ID: <"hn2Gp3.0.9N4.aaFsu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13028 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 3/21/00 10:51:30 PM Mid-Atlantic Standard Time, klaw@konstant.com writes: << list in Pittsburg do check him out this evening >> where????.............please do tell.................m From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Mar 22 11:59:57 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA21654; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 11:59:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 11:59:57 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 11:54:44 EST Subject: Re: Elliott Sharp To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 61 Resent-Message-ID: <"R68g2.0.dy4.xhFsu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13029 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 3/22/00 2:52:06 PM Mid-Atlantic Standard Time, Nemoguitt@aol.com writes: << where????.............please do tell.................m >> as usual, im a day late............m From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Mar 22 12:01:18 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA21893; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 12:01:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 12:01:18 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <003f01bf9420$452cee20$0fda44d1@gary> From: "Gary Lehmann" To: References: <013701bf9364$5727c4e0$327979a5@cliff> Subject: Re: Drum machine for loops Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 09:01:29 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <"7ajE11.0.l-4.JjFsu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13030 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hello All- Thanks for the response on the Oberheim echoplex--it sounds like a better unit for what I'm trying to do. I'll have to check it out. Someone posted that it is out of production--does that mean backordered? Because I think they still make them . . . As far as the drum machine thang--here is my setup. The Jamman is syncing with the drum machine thru MIDI clock. To compensate for the lack of percussion during the recording of the initial loop, I am using Cakewalk to play the drum pattern on a Sound Canvas and send various patch changes (GT-3 for Guitar, Jamman commands). I don't want to have all the percussion come from the sequencer, for reasons which may be obvious but need not be gotten into at this point. The SR-16 drum machine will not change patterns in response to MIDI commands. Is there a drum machine which does? It would be one less thing I had to do while attempting to improvise. Thanks again. Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Mar 22 13:06:21 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA05811; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 13:06:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 13:06:21 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38D7EEC4.185D4ADF@quik.com> Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 13:51:00 -0800 From: "Rev. Doubt-Goat" Reply-To: dgoat@sekhetmaat.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Philly Electro-Experimental References: <003301bf934b$fca400a0$e2310140@concentric.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"WDUfp.0.v51.mfGsu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13031 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com 93 Larry Tremblay wrote: > LOL! Seriously, here's a simple idea for a t-shirt that kinda > says it for me: An illustration of a Mobius Strip beneath the > words Looper's Delight. Small version printed on the front left > pocket area, large version on the back. > > Any comments? Any other proud loopers think this would be > a cool T? Oh yeah! 93 Rev. Doubt-Goat From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Mar 22 13:38:46 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA14427; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 13:38:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 13:38:46 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 10:11:44 -0800 From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Drum machine for loops / echoplex In-reply-to: <003f01bf9420$452cee20$0fda44d1@gary> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <013701bf9364$5727c4e0$327979a5@cliff> Resent-Message-ID: <"PtfYg3.0.262.WvGsu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13033 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 9:01 AM -0800 3/22/00, Gary Lehmann wrote: >Hello All- >Thanks for the response on the Oberheim echoplex--it sounds like a better >unit for what I'm trying to do. I'll have to check it out. Someone posted >that it is out of production--does that mean backordered? Because I think >they still make them . . . the echoplex is still in production, currently being made by Gibson's Trace-Elliot division. You can ask them about it at info@trace-elliot.com. Or, a little birdie just told me there is a person in the Gibson sales department handling new echoplexes, Gil Pini, 1-800-544-2766 x217 or gpini@gibson.com. (poor Gil is about to get deluged with inquiries now.....:-) >As far as the drum machine thang--here is my setup. The Jamman is syncing >with the drum machine thru MIDI clock. To compensate for the lack of >percussion during the recording of the initial loop, I am using Cakewalk to >play the drum pattern on a Sound Canvas and send various patch changes (GT-3 >for Guitar, Jamman commands). I don't want to have all the percussion come >from the sequencer, for reasons which may be obvious but need not be gotten >into at this point. The SR-16 drum machine will not change patterns in >response to MIDI commands. Is there a drum machine which does? It would be >one less thing I had to do while attempting to improvise. to me it seems a drum machine should change patterns with a prog ch command. I think its odd that your's doesn't. In fact, I just tried this with my old Alesis hr-16 and it worked fine. Are you sure you have the midi parameters set up right? kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Mar 22 13:26:29 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA11552; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 13:26:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 13:26:29 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000322180856.29593.qmail@web207.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 10:08:56 -0800 (PST) From: Stephen Subject: Digitech PMC-10 programming pad? To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"6s929.0.eg1.xmGsu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13032 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com So....I done got me one-a-dem Digitech PMC-10 midi foot controllers, sans programming pad. I have the schematics for building the pad, but thought I'd give a shout out to the list to see if anyone had a spare one they wanted to sell (naive and optimist is he), or pointers to such. Shy of that, has anyone built their own pad? thanks stephen __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Mar 22 13:34:28 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA13156; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 13:34:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 13:34:28 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <003d01bf942d$7236dae0$9f83abd4@h2v6p1> From: "luca" To: References: <013701bf9364$5727c4e0$327979a5@cliff> <003f01bf9420$452cee20$0fda44d1@gary> Subject: R: Drum machine for loops Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 19:17:38 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <"Q0KQY3.0.dv2.p4Hsu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13034 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com And what about Roland's R8 ? I finally have found one of those after having sold mine a few years ago. In my intention there is to make it drive midi changes of my Edp and of my future Yamaha A4000 Sampler (I think it is maybe the most looper-friendly sampler). Does anyone know what an R8 can do with this set-up? Bye, Luca From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Mar 22 13:42:35 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA14866; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 13:42:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 13:42:35 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38D98F6A.34B75DE7@vtx.ch> Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 19:28:42 -0800 From: Claude voit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Digitech PMC-10 programming pad? References: <20000322180856.29593.qmail@web207.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"w-8GK3.0.GY3.CDHsu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13035 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Stephen one of our LD subscriber Sean has made _the_ utility for you Raymond the pmc10 editor for pc you'll need the remote only if you have already patches in the machine (to send it out to midi) but as I understand it you're starting from scratch so no prob: make all your patches from raymond then send them to pmc I don't use my remote since raymond came out Claude download it here http://sean_.home.mindspring.com/pmc/index.html Stephen wrote: > > So....I done got me one-a-dem Digitech PMC-10 midi > foot controllers, sans programming pad. I have the > schematics for building the pad, but thought I'd give > a shout out to the list to see if anyone had a spare > one they wanted to sell (naive and optimist is he), or > pointers to such. Shy of that, has anyone built their > own pad? > > thanks > > stephen > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Mar 22 14:44:53 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA30854; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 14:44:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 14:44:53 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 14:27:14 EST Subject: nice flick To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 61 Resent-Message-ID: <"uY-xZ1.0.dY6.rwHsu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13036 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com just watched "buena vista social club"...........ry cooder and a bunch of older cuban musicians doin their thing...........very very enjoyable.............m From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Mar 22 15:53:19 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA14873; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 15:53:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 15:53:19 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <001b01bf943e$aa3ef880$f90178d8@gary> From: "Gary Lehmann" To: References: <013701bf9364$5727c4e0$327979a5@cliff> Subject: Re: Drum machine for loops / echoplex Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 12:39:04 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <"2WzwW1.0.Gf2.NvIsu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13037 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hello-- The SR-16 changes drum kits(?!) not patterns from program change-- Maybe I'll pick up an HR cheap somewhere. Gary > > >As far as the drum machine thang--here is my setup. The Jamman is syncing > >with the drum machine thru MIDI clock. To compensate for the lack of > >percussion during the recording of the initial loop, I am using Cakewalk to > >play the drum pattern on a Sound Canvas and send various patch changes (GT-3 > >for Guitar, Jamman commands). I don't want to have all the percussion come > >from the sequencer, for reasons which may be obvious but need not be gotten > >into at this point. The SR-16 drum machine will not change patterns in > >response to MIDI commands. Is there a drum machine which does? It would be > >one less thing I had to do while attempting to improvise. > > to me it seems a drum machine should change patterns with a prog ch > command. I think its odd that your's doesn't. In fact, I just tried this > with my old Alesis hr-16 and it worked fine. Are you sure you have the midi > parameters set up right? > > kim > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Mar 22 17:02:55 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA31919; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 17:02:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 17:02:55 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000322214503.9363.qmail@web215.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 13:45:03 -0800 (PST) From: Stephen Subject: Re: Digitech PMC-10 programming pad? To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"T1HgJ1.0.Wd6.bxJsu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13038 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I had downloaded Raymond but not taken a very close look at it....someone had told me that it was more of a librarian than and editor, but looking at it just now, it looks to be much more promising than I had originally thought. So one can do *all* the editing from raymond, you say? btw, unfortunately Sean's website appears to be no longer avaible. > I don't use my remote since raymond came out So that means you have one to sell? ;-) stephen __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Mar 22 18:20:38 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA16721; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 18:20:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 18:20:38 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Sender: crash@waste.org From: Todd Madson To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: R8/R5 Human Rhythm Composers Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 16:24:50 -0600 Resent-Message-ID: <"--viZ.0.x63.P5Lsu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13039 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com You can do a lot with the Roland Human Rhythm composers. Besides realistic percussion performances, you can run the output thru a vortex and generate really cool counter-rhythms using the tap tempo to perform on the beat or askew polyrhythms. But for MIDI purposes, you can program a bank of pads so that the pads generate a different MIDI note on to trigger an external MIDI device or sampler. I actually use the internal voices as well as the MIDI out to trigger synths and other gear. Since these drum machines have separate outs for various sounds, and since the R5 has several bass samples which can be tuned, I've directed the bass samples to one or two particular outputs, tuned them up two octaves and then processed and looped them. It sounds like no other synth I've ever heard. I hear Steve Tibbets supposedly used an R8 to trigger samplers on "Fall of us all" but who knows? Try it. If you tire of the internal drum voices, you can use a bank to trigger drum samples (or whatever) on an external device. The R5 is pretty cool as it has a unaffected rock kit, processed rock kit (very 80s), electronic kit (ditto), jazz kit (very nice) and latin percussion (congas, timbale, etc.) As far as programming, there are two modes: SONGS and PATTERNS. SONGS are a collection of patterns. PATTERNS are a collection of rhythms of a particular duration. PATTERNS can be a particular length (loop!) and time signature. You can play patterns or songs. And you can "play" the pads with your fingers while it plays as well. Only limitation: 12 voice polyphony. That's why the tuned-up basses I have are vortexed and delayed for a swirling echo pattern. anyway. check 'em out. I've seen R5's used for $175 (to think I paid $600 for mine back in 1991 or so). It's just barely on topic, but what the hey. -t From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Mar 22 18:39:05 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA21587; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 18:39:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 18:39:05 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <004001bf9455$98969680$b883abd4@h2v6p1> From: "luca" To: Subject: LOL shirts? Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 00:20:08 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0035_01BF945D.8B7911A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <"dNPE.0.b04.IILsu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13040 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0035_01BF945D.8B7911A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Let's go, I need two XLs and an L. Thanks. Luca ------=_NextPart_000_0035_01BF945D.8B7911A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Let's go,
I need two XLs and an L.
Thanks.
Luca
------=_NextPart_000_0035_01BF945D.8B7911A0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Mar 22 18:39:16 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA21625; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 18:39:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 18:39:16 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <004901bf9456$0dfc4c80$b883abd4@h2v6p1> From: "luca" To: Subject: VS 840 EX editor? Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 00:26:30 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0046_01BF945E.6F32CC60" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <"CckBw.0.tG4.pLLsu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13041 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0046_01BF945E.6F32CC60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Lols,=20 is there someone who knows if something like a Pc editor exisists to = operate on a Roland Vs 840 Ex recorder more easily? I mean midi configuration, audio editing (to cut and move loops and so = on). Thanks, Luca ------=_NextPart_000_0046_01BF945E.6F32CC60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Lols,
is there someone who knows if something = like a Pc=20 editor exisists to operate on a Roland Vs 840 Ex recorder more=20 easily?
I mean midi configuration, audio = editing (to cut=20 and move loops and so on).
Thanks,
Luca
------=_NextPart_000_0046_01BF945E.6F32CC60-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Mar 22 18:54:00 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA25343; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 18:54:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 18:54:00 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38D9D575.A15D9AE@vtx.ch> Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 00:27:33 -0800 From: Claude voit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Digitech PMC-10 programming pad? References: <20000322214503.9363.qmail@web215.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"B6eop2.0.kF5.MbLsu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13042 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Stephen wrote: > > I had downloaded Raymond but not taken a very close > look at it....someone had told me that it was more of > a librarian than and editor, but looking at it just > now, it looks to be much more promising than I had > originally thought. So one can do *all* the editing > from raymond, you say? YEP as any software there are upgrades and Sean didnt *advertise* outside this very select club > btw, unfortunately Sean's website appears to be no > longer avaible. Beuh ?? I went there to get the URL before I replied to your post ?? http://sean_.home.mindspring.com/pmc/index.html > > I don't use my remote since raymond came out > > So that means you have one to sell? ;-) ---NAH--- its broken (almost) :-) Raymond is very solid and Sean is behind him if you'd discovered some bugs Claude PS: some positive mails to him with a mention of cut copy and paste in Raymond ??? with all the ease of use we'll need some cleaning and cloning sometimes From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Mar 22 19:10:56 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA29721; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 19:10:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 19:10:56 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38D9D655.40F61A75@vtx.ch> Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 00:31:17 -0800 From: Claude voit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: LOL shirts? References: <004001bf9455$98969680$b883abd4@h2v6p1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"o8_g91.0.bL5.qeLsu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13044 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Two XL 's and a cap with "LD unusubsribe" on it Calude From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Mar 22 18:55:33 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA25566; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 18:55:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 18:55:33 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000322233907.41538.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [204.164.62.238] Reply-To: m.lameyer@rcn.com From: "Michael LaMeyer" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: R8/R5 Human Rhythm Composers Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 18:39:07 EST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"KeMmU3.0.aI5.xcLsu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13043 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Great info. Thanks. I didn't know that about Steve Tibbetts. I know Marc Anderson used an Octopad (who hasn't?) to trigger drum tones/loops when I saw Steve and Marc play Tibbets' stuff live with Dean MacGraw and Jim Anton. I think my jaw was permanently cracked from where it hit the floor when they launched right into Name Everything at the beginning of the set. ahhh memories . . . I'd be interested in building patterns live on something like an R5 from a Ztar, but I would prefer to use outboard sounds on a sampler (latency *sigh*) and minimize the gymnastics involved switching patterns, recording/overdubbing, etc. Offand I could try one or both of these: Approach one, configure some of the pads on the ztar to send sysex, handier than footswitches maybe Approach two, for less impromptu pieces, automate the overall 'schema' of the percussion parts as it were (sans notes). More ideas? Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Todd Madson" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2000 5:24 PM Subject: R8/R5 Human Rhythm Composers >You can do a lot with the Roland Human Rhythm composers. > >Besides realistic percussion performances, you can run the output >thru a vortex and generate really cool counter-rhythms using the >tap tempo to perform on the beat or askew polyrhythms. > >But for MIDI purposes, you can program a bank of pads so that the >pads generate a different MIDI note on to trigger an external MIDI >device or sampler. > >I actually use the internal voices as well as the MIDI out to >trigger synths and other gear. > >Since these drum machines have separate outs for various sounds, >and since the R5 has several bass samples which can be tuned, I've >directed the bass samples to one or two particular outputs, tuned >them up two octaves and then processed and looped them. It sounds >like no other synth I've ever heard. > >I hear Steve Tibbets supposedly used an R8 to trigger samplers on >"Fall of us all" but who knows? Try it. > >If you tire of the internal drum voices, you can use a bank to trigger drum >samples (or whatever) on an external device. > >The R5 is pretty cool as it has a unaffected rock kit, processed >rock kit (very 80s), electronic kit (ditto), jazz kit (very nice) >and latin percussion (congas, timbale, etc.) > >As far as programming, there are two modes: >SONGS and PATTERNS. > >SONGS are a collection of patterns. > >PATTERNS are a collection of rhythms of a particular duration. > >PATTERNS can be a particular length (loop!) and time signature. > >You can play patterns or songs. > >And you can "play" the pads with your fingers while it plays as well. > >Only limitation: 12 voice polyphony. That's why the tuned-up basses >I have are vortexed and delayed for a swirling echo pattern. > >anyway. check 'em out. I've seen R5's used for $175 (to think I paid >$600 for mine back in 1991 or so). > >It's just barely on topic, but what the hey. > >-t > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Mar 22 19:18:12 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA31299; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 19:18:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 19:18:12 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <008601bf945b$7a36a6c0$bb7979a5@cliff> From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" To: Subject: Re: R8/R5 Human Rhythm Composers Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 16:05:13 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Resent-Message-ID: <"UjYvb.0.fc6.ixLsu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13046 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com What about the r-70 series? are they the same? I'm considering replaceing my DR-5 with something that sounds better percussion wise- Cliff -----Original Message----- From: Todd Madson To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Wednesday, March 22, 2000 3:37 PM Subject: R8/R5 Human Rhythm Composers >You can do a lot with the Roland Human Rhythm composers. > >Besides realistic percussion performances, you can run the output >thru a vortex and generate really cool counter-rhythms using the >tap tempo to perform on the beat or askew polyrhythms. > >But for MIDI purposes, you can program a bank of pads so that the >pads generate a different MIDI note on to trigger an external MIDI >device or sampler. > >I actually use the internal voices as well as the MIDI out to >trigger synths and other gear. > >Since these drum machines have separate outs for various sounds, >and since the R5 has several bass samples which can be tuned, I've >directed the bass samples to one or two particular outputs, tuned >them up two octaves and then processed and looped them. It sounds >like no other synth I've ever heard. > >I hear Steve Tibbets supposedly used an R8 to trigger samplers on >"Fall of us all" but who knows? Try it. > >If you tire of the internal drum voices, you can use a bank to >trigger drum samples (or whatever) on an external device. > >The R5 is pretty cool as it has a unaffected rock kit, processed >rock kit (very 80s), electronic kit (ditto), jazz kit (very nice) >and latin percussion (congas, timbale, etc.) > >As far as programming, there are two modes: >SONGS and PATTERNS. > >SONGS are a collection of patterns. > >PATTERNS are a collection of rhythms of a particular duration. > >PATTERNS can be a particular length (loop!) and time signature. > >You can play patterns or songs. > >And you can "play" the pads with your fingers while it plays as well. > >Only limitation: 12 voice polyphony. That's why the tuned-up basses >I have are vortexed and delayed for a swirling echo pattern. > >anyway. check 'em out. I've seen R5's used for $175 (to think I paid >$600 for mine back in 1991 or so). > >It's just barely on topic, but what the hey. > >-t > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Mar 22 19:17:25 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA31265; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 19:17:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 19:17:25 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: klaw@pop.iglou.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Keenan Lawler Subject: Re: Elliott Sharp Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 18:47:36 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: <"cHn951.0.Eu5.TkLsu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13045 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com oh shit soory bout that > TUESDAY, MARCH 21ST McConomy Auditorium 5000 Forbes Ave Pittsburgh, PA 15213 412-268-7900 WEDNESDAY, MARCH 22ND The Khyber 56 South 2nd Phliadelphia, PA 215 238 9964 (Venue) THURSDAY, MARCH 23RD The Terrace Club 62 Washington Road Princeton, NJ 08540 609 258-9441 (Venue) ><< where????.............please do tell.................m >> > >as usual, im a day late............m From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Mar 22 19:22:14 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA32462; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 19:22:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 19:22:14 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38D95F60.DDBCB085@pop.agri.ch> Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 01:03:44 +0100 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Jes=FAs=20Turi=F1o?= Reply-To: j-turino@pop.agri.ch Organization: i45 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [de] (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: de,es MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Europe/USA (was Re: LOL shirts?) References: <004001bf9455$98969680$b883abd4@h2v6p1> <38D9D655.40F61A75@vtx.ch> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by rosy.yourwebhost.com id TAA28314 Resent-Message-ID: <"MQ3_33.0.gw6.v_Lsu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13047 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com newsgroups don't have boarders, differences between races, &&& ... but the longer i'm on the LD-group, the more i realize, that there are bigger differences in the way of being between us (europeans) and americans. i really don't understand this "L"-stuff-behaviour. (sign, tags, t-shirts, caps, and so) anyone can explain it to me? thanks, jesús > Two XL 's > > and a cap with "LD unusubsribe" on it > > Calude From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Mar 22 20:00:31 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA08180; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 20:00:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 20:00:31 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38D9652D.4ECE8A6A@pop.agri.ch> Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 01:28:30 +0100 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Jes=FAs=20Turi=F1o?= Reply-To: j-turino@pop.agri.ch Organization: i45 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [de] (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: de,es MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Subject: vortex on ebay ... still 200$ Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------EC47FF4E11AD8193A36BDF1E" Resent-Message-ID: <"16Nhf2.0.mW.tMMsu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13048 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com --------------EC47FF4E11AD8193A36BDF1E Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable check out http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3D286211679 i don't try anymore ... theres always an american overbidding me ;-) poor jes=FAs (please send me a looper t-shirt for free) --------------EC47FF4E11AD8193A36BDF1E Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit check out

http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=286211679

i don't try anymore ... theres always an american overbidding me ;-)

poor jesús (please send me a looper t-shirt for free) --------------EC47FF4E11AD8193A36BDF1E-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Mar 22 20:11:59 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA11335; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 20:11:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 20:11:59 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 18:54:23 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <200003230054.SAA07951@servidor.unam.mx> X-Sender: smaug@servidor.unam.mx X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Andy Soto Subject: Re: LOL shirts? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by rosy.yourwebhost.com id TAA06967 Resent-Message-ID: <"9Qycn3.0.Aj1.3kMsu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13049 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I´d very much rather have the big logo on front! At 12:20 a.m. 23/03/00 +0100, you wrote: >Let's go, >I need two XLs and an L. >Thanks. >Luca > > > > > > > >

Let's go,
>
I need two XLs and an L.
>
Thanks.
>
Luca
> From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Mar 22 21:13:36 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA24052; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 21:13:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 21:13:36 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38D979E3.CFC0FE22@ppi2pass.com> Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 17:56:52 -0800 From: Mark Sottilaro Reply-To: msottilaro@ppi2pass.com Organization: PPI X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Mac OS based editor for the Digitech 2112 References: <20000322214503.9363.qmail@web215.mail.yahoo.com> <38D9D575.A15D9AE@vtx.ch> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"92eTe3.0.S35.ReNsu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13050 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hey, Speaking of graphical editors for hardware, does anyone know of an editor for the Digitech 2112? Oh that would be swell, especially for the Mac OS. -- Mark Sottilaro Professional Publications, Inc 1250 Fifth Ave, Belmont CA 94002 Multimedia Production E-mail: msottilaro@ppi2pass.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Mar 22 22:10:28 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA04323; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 22:10:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 22:10:28 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <02e301bf9475$30330e00$b550dfc8@doutor> From: "Julio Moreno" To: Subject: "Loop" interacting with the rest of the music. Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 20:12:15 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.3825.400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.3825.400 Resent-Message-ID: <"k7AX.0.zl.rbOsu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13052 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I post this some days ago...i think was an important topic ...No coments ??? The questions is: How you can ''construct'' a groovy loop if you don't know to play your instrument with swing ??? I speaking about ''construct'' playing , not programing/sampling etcetc ... julio ----- Original Message ----- From: "Julio Moreno" To: Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2000 12:44 PM Subject: "Loop" interacting with the rest of the music. > > > I have noticed that playing loops manually (just playing a phrase over and > > over again) can be quite an experience, and certainly a different one to > > using a looping device. Sometimes, your fingers just take over, and you > can > > hear the "loop" interacting with the rest of the music. > > YES! this is called ''groove'''...i been playing the last 10 years in dance > bands here in Bahia where the people really SWINGS, sometimes 7 hours of non > stop amazing grooves.I played with the famous band named Timbalada and the > first Guettho Square band with 30 young swingy drumers for about four months > in 4 hour ''open reharsal'' every Sunday in front of 1500 people and i know > what you are talking about.This kind of band haven't got bass player.They > have bass drums (22'' and 24'' tuned D and G ) and the guitar (6th and 5th > strings mainly) interact in the with the bass drums providing the > Root...this forces you to play very ''tigth'' and your right hand must play > ALWAYS the same pattern to death. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Mar 22 22:02:28 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA02997; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 22:02:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 22:02:28 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Jax1723@aol.com Message-ID: <7f.20f14ae.260ae1d4@aol.com> Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 21:56:20 EST Subject: Re: (was) Philly Electro-Experimental To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 70 Resent-Message-ID: <"Y-csY3.0.bR.HWOsu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13051 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Lance G wrote: yo, where are you located? i might have need of such a thang from time to time... lance g. ******** I'm in lovely new jersey... feel free to email me with any questions (off-list). thanks jack From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Mar 23 00:29:36 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA07691; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 00:29:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 00:29:36 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000322212908.0142ab40@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: sean_@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 21:29:08 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Sean Subject: Re: Digitech PMC-10 programming pad? In-Reply-To: <38D9D575.A15D9AE@vtx.ch> References: <20000322214503.9363.qmail@web215.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"v1ISo2.0.jG1._eQsu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13053 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 12:27 AM 3/23/2000 -0800, Someone wrote: >> btw, unfortunately Sean's website appears to be no >> longer avaible. > >Beuh ?? I went there to get the URL before I replied to your post ?? >http://sean_.home.mindspring.com/pmc/index.html This is possibly firewall/proxy related. If you have trouble reaching the pages thru the above url, then this one might work for you: http://www.mindspring.com/~sean_/pmc/index.html From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Mar 23 00:57:19 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA14533; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 00:57:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 00:57:19 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38D9B1C8.61C8C064@mindspring.com> Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 21:55:20 -0800 From: Jim Poppen X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: LOL shirts? References: <004001bf9455$98969680$b883abd4@h2v6p1> <38D9D655.40F61A75@vtx.ch> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"D1bn81.0.pG3.B5Rsu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13054 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Oh man, Claude, you're sitting on a gold mine here. I think "Loopers-Wefight" embroidered on the bill of the cap would work too. Let the Looper marketing madness begin! Next will be the LooperMan action figure complete with a little Klien Guitar, a bitty EDP, a tangle of tiny fx pedals, and a dour expression. (bookcase full of philosophy literature sold separately...) Claude voit wrote: > > Two XL 's > > and a cap with "LD unusubsribe" on it > > Calude From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Mar 23 03:28:56 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA15509; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 03:28:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 03:28:56 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38D9C610.C0FB274D@erols.com> Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 03:22:39 -0400 From: "J.G. Wong" Reply-To: adaaxs@erols.com Organization: Tokusatsu.com, Tokusatsu Access Archive X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Mother Mallard's Mobius Tape Loop References: <200003222126.QAA23267@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"qMvt_3.0.D63.C8Tsu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13055 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Those half twist loops they are referring to are set up as an endless single reel of tape like on an 8-track or a commercial 1/4' cart machine. You actually only use one side of the tape, the twist in the tape and the fact that you only have one reel that it returns to is the trick. 1/4inch loop adaptors for reel to reel machines are very obscure accesories, but they are better than having someone hold a pencil at the other end of a football field. I rarely get down the hallway anymore. G. Wong (fiveman) From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Mar 23 04:14:28 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA25824; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 04:14:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 04:14:28 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <008101bf94a8$5b2485c0$2b9cb8d4@oemcomputer> From: L.Angulo@t-online.de (Luis Angulo) To: References: Subject: Re: nice flick Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 10:13:51 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Sender: 320086123907-0001@t-dialin.net Resent-Message-ID: <"NSXgZ3.0.jq5.lxTsu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13056 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Yeah Cuban Son music is a hit here in Europe since about a year or so ago. I am surprised (or rather not) that in america with the exception of cultural cities like NY, SF it hasn´t caught on. (Absurd old politics maybe?)This guys were legends in the fifties and after the embargo they weren´t allowed to tour anymore.Salsa from puerto rico then invated the rest of the world and Son music died almost and was completely forgotten.Some of the artist ended up cleaning shoes and rolling tabaco. It was sad. Son music is the mother of salsa and other forms of latin music coming from the rural oriente part of Cuba (Guantanamo) and in the old days considered low class depraved music by the conservatives. Similar to the country blues legacy.It also has a looping element the "tumbao" or "montuno" which is a repetitive section very hypnotic, trance like which makes you want to get up and dance.Check out Changüi music which is older than Son this is the most interesting music i´ve heard in years very hardcore,primitive and rhythmic complex! I fool around often with my Echoplex build up a latin groove and then chop it up in half to create a tumbao is a great way for me to write songs since i play this type of music.You can check out our homepage www.quinteto-cha.de we have a CD out which you can also hear and order from us if you are interested.Its all in German but we will be posting it in English and Spanish soon.But as you can see on the film this old afrocubans can still groooove! just watched "buena vista social club"...........ry cooder and a bunch of older cuban musicians doin their thing...........very very > enjoyable.............m > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Mar 23 05:50:18 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA13915; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 05:50:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 05:50:18 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38D98632.184@altruistmusic.com> Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 02:49:21 +0000 From: Andre LaFosse Reply-To: altruist@altruistmusic.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-MACOS8 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: LOL shirts? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"sZGpv1.0.5z2.9MVsu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13059 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Jim Carter wrote: > ps I like the idea of including "unsubscribe" or maybe even > "stop sending me this shit" I hereby vote that any official merchandise include an "LD's Greatest Hits": -- "Does anyone know where I can find an Oberheim Echoplex?" -- "Why am I getting all these e-mails from you people?!" -- "Denis Taaffe and backing tracks" -- "Uns**********ibe" -- "[insert off-topic arbitrary psychoacoustic phenomenon thread here]" -- "OT: Torn Gig" -- "[insert off-topic, multiple-day Objectivism/Millenial End-year/Evils of capitalism thread here]" -- "Sorry, that was supposed to go private, not to the list!!!" -- "[insert off-topic guitar-synth thread here]" -- "Bill Frissel" -- "JamMan/Vortex/Echoplex auction at $35,000 and counting..." From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Mar 23 05:41:20 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA11687; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 05:41:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 05:41:20 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Sender: mpeters@csi.com Message-ID: <01BF94BC.212A8360.mpeters@csi.com> From: Michael Peters To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: OT: LED strobe light ball Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 11:36:48 +0100 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-Mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"xJrHB2.0.Ya2.aEVsu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13058 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com very off topic, but I don't know who else to ask ... I'm looking for a certain LED light effect device. The device consists of a postcard-sized base which contains the electronics and the motor, and some sort of a metal ring (ca. 10 cm diameter) which spins rapidly. The ring features a number of green and red LED lights which, while the ring is spinning, give the illusion of a sphere. Now depending on the amplitude (and frequency?) of music that is played, the ring spins in different speeds, and the LED lights are lighted in different patterns. People told me this thing is available in the US. I haven't been able to find it in Germany or England, and I couldn't find any online information. Does anyone know what these things are called, if they have a website, and where one can order them? = michael peters = electronic music & strange attractors = http://www.mpeters.de/mpeweb From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Mar 23 05:19:15 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA07139; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 05:19:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 05:19:15 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 10:14:29 +0000 (GMT) From: Jim Carter To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: LOL shirts? In-Reply-To: <200003230054.SAA07951@servidor.unam.mx> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"vKR0d3.0.aT1.6xUsu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13057 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Seriously (if I can use that word in relation to this thread) if someone comes up with a logo/T-shirt design how about a downloadable version on the web page? Then we can print it on anything we like, woohoo! ps I like the idea of including "unsubscribe" or maybe even "stop sending me this shit" Jim Carter Bristol, UK Tel. (44) 117 9289934 FAX (44) 117 9293746 e-mail jim.carter@bris.ac.uk (work) echo.plex@virgin.net (personal) From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Mar 23 06:55:59 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA27198; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 06:55:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 06:55:59 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Wjguitar@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 06:49:23 EST Subject: Re: LOL shirts? To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 67 Resent-Message-ID: <"8P9ly.0.UK6.cJWsu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13061 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com So, who do we order the T-shirts from? WWJ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Mar 23 07:01:06 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA28355; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 07:01:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 07:01:06 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Wjguitar@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 06:42:39 EST Subject: Re: LOL shirts? To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 67 Resent-Message-ID: <"-HMDQ.0.k26.cEWsu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13060 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I'll take two XL's, too! Regards, Wayne From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Mar 23 07:51:18 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA07455; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 07:51:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 07:51:18 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Hawkeye255@aol.com Message-ID: <68.20376e6.260b6953@aol.com> Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 07:34:27 EST Subject: Re: OT: LED strobe light ball To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 66 Resent-Message-ID: <"pDKGl3.0.Ku.tzWsu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13062 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com sounds like what's called helicopters--just a guess. Try here. http://www.lightingunlimited.com/ hawkeye From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Mar 23 09:17:29 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA26631; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 09:17:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 09:17:29 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <002a01bf94d0$12c93d70$64310140@concentric.net> From: "Larry Tremblay" To: References: <008101bf94a8$5b2485c0$2b9cb8d4@oemcomputer> Subject: Re: nice flick Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 08:59:56 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"2vbfr1.0.AH5.y9Ysu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13063 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Actually, to America's credit, the whole Son craze swept through about 10 years ago - there was a blizzard of articles in the mainstream press, and dozens of articles in magazines such as "Rhythm" (now defunct), "Drums & Drumming" and "Modern Drummer", as well as "Keyboard" and others. It's good to see that Europe and the rest of the world is finally catching on. :) - Larry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Luis Angulo" To: Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2000 4:13 AM Subject: Re: nice flick > Yeah Cuban Son music is a hit here in Europe since about a year or so ago. I > am surprised (or rather not) that in america with the exception of cultural > cities like NY, SF it hasn´t caught on. (Absurd old politics maybe?)This > guys were legends > in the fifties and after the embargo they weren´t allowed to tour > anymore.Salsa from puerto rico then invated the rest of the world and Son > music died almost and was completely forgotten.Some of the artist ended up > cleaning shoes and rolling tabaco. It was sad. Son music is the mother of > salsa and other forms of latin music coming from the rural oriente part of > Cuba (Guantanamo) and in the old days considered low class depraved music by > the conservatives. Similar to the country blues legacy.It also has a looping > element the "tumbao" or "montuno" which is a repetitive section very > hypnotic, trance like which makes you want to get up and dance.Check out > Changüi music which is older than Son this is the most interesting music > i´ve heard in years very hardcore,primitive and rhythmic complex! I fool > around often with my Echoplex build up a latin groove and then chop it up in > half to create a tumbao is a great way for me to write songs since i play > this type of music.You can check out our homepage www.quinteto-cha.de we > have a CD out which you can also hear and order from us if you are > interested.Its all in German but we will be posting it in English and > Spanish soon.But as you can see on the film this old afrocubans can still > groooove! > > > > > just watched "buena vista social club"...........ry cooder and a bunch of > older cuban musicians doin their thing...........very very > > enjoyable.............m > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Mar 23 10:47:13 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA15278; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 10:47:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 10:47:13 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000323152938.15483.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [204.164.62.238] Reply-To: m.lameyer@rcn.com From: "Michael LaMeyer" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: R8/R5 Human Rhythm Composers Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 10:29:38 EST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"ZGJEE2.0.Go2.3YZsu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13064 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Luis Angulo" To: Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2000 3:11 AM Subject: Re: R8/R5 Human Rhythm Composers >What about asian drum machines i.e. indian sounds, arabic, marrocan curry >masala uh that would be nice is there anything out there like this? David >torn claims he uses a north indian drum machine! > There is a companay called Swar based in Switzerland that makes a software tabla sequencer along with some other unique programs. http://www.swarsystems.com/ ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Mar 23 10:58:30 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA17972; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 10:58:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 10:58:30 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <002f01bf94e0$0ef6be60$0922dacf@sgoodman> Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: <008101bf94a8$5b2485c0$2b9cb8d4@oemcomputer> Subject: Re: nice flick Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 07:54:20 -0800 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"DmwUC.0.JJ4.AvZsu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13065 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From: "Luis Angulo" > Yeah Cuban Son music is a hit here in Europe since about a year or so ago. I > am surprised (or rather not) that in america with the exception of cultural > cities like NY, SF it hasn´t caught on. (Absurd old politics maybe?) This is not, in advance, a racist comment. I suspect that it's more that Salsa/etc. isn't mainstream enough to catch on in other-than-higher populations of Hispanic folks, in the US. This effect isn't isolated to just Salsa music either; I would offer that, as long as the music industry in this country concentrates on target marketing efforts (as opposed to distribution and sales), this will be the case. As an additional effect, though, it's not been unusual for enthusiasts of so-called ethnic music to wonder why it hasn't caught on everywhere. Don't get me wrong, please. I try to encounter as many kinds of music as possible - it's a measure of balance, more often than not. Living in Los Angeles - just about every sector except the rich ones since '84 - I've been shown a lot of different musics; on occasion a lot of us get together and play all night (ahem, Tunnels next weekend, in San Gabriel canyon! email at sgoodman@earthlight.net for details). One can hear a lot of different influences this way, and of course the Hispanic aspect is impossible to ignore here, as it's a dedicated bunch that also schleps their congas/etc. up the mountain twice a year - though, I've gotta admit, that living in neighborhoods where they play it a lot has done the opposite of "endear" for me, as far as Salsa goes. Alas, I had a lot of friends nudging me to go to "Buena Vista" ("you're a musician! you can get into this!") ... but, like lots of aspects of looping music, it ain't for everyone. I try to concentrate in areas not highly populated, insofar as music interest goes. More room to move, eh? Stephen Goodman EarthLight Productions * http://www.earthlight.net From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Mar 23 11:35:37 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA26525; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 11:35:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 11:35:37 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 11:29:42 EST Subject: Re: Philly Electro-Experimental To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 61 Resent-Message-ID: <"8rXUM3.0.GB6.UQasu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13066 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com once again............is anyone from here going to be at this event?..........also, could whoever posted this please repost the address..........looks like i might do a road-trip this weekend...........pat, rob this is sort of in your neighborhood..........ill be wearing a CT-Collective glo-in-the-dark tuxedo.........nah!...........ill be the old, bald, fat guy with the mk (mortal kombat) hat on.......please dont confuse me with miko!...........:)................hope to see someone there...........m From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Mar 23 12:26:10 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA05709; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 12:26:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 12:26:10 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38DA4924.9D25671F@quik.com> Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 08:41:08 -0800 From: "Rev. Doubt-Goat" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: "Loop" interacting with the rest of the music. References: <02e301bf9475$30330e00$b550dfc8@doutor> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"F3SWe.0.LN7._jasu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13067 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com 93 Julio Moreno wrote: > > I post this some days ago...i think was an important topic ...No coments ??? > The questions is: > How you can ''construct'' a groovy loop if you don't know to play your > instrument with swing ??? I speaking about ''construct'' playing , not > programing/sampling etcetc ... Hmmmm, if I understand you correctly here, you're asking how one can create good loops without being a good musician. Well, looping is often approached from a different angle than standard playing technique, and as such, often lends itself well to the "naive" musician. A minimal set of physical skills is all that is necessary. Music is in the "ears," not the "hands." 93 Rev. Doubt-Goat From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Mar 23 14:16:10 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA32722; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 14:16:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 14:16:10 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000323191112.13981.rocketmail@web220.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 11:11:12 -0800 (PST) From: Stephen Subject: Digitech PMC-10 sysex woes To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"JFaDN2.0.mf7.Pncsu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13068 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thanks Sean & Claude for the Raymond pointers. i hooked everything up last night, and Raymond seems to be just the ticket, but I'm having a problem. The Raymond-generated sysex I send out to the pedal doesn't stick. I can see that the sysex is getting to the PMC-10 'cuz the display chnages (blank with a star/asterisk on the far left side - is this the correct behavior?) when it is being sent, and the display then changes back when the upload is complete. But none of the patches, banks, or sets make it into the pedal. I've tried sending the sysex from raymond & from cakewalk & tried 2 different midi ports out of the pc. I tried sending a single bank with a single patch, to a program containing several of each (~1600 bytes). Raymond reports that the upload was successful, the number of bytes, and that 1 program had been sent. I can send program changes out from the pedal OK. I've upgraded to PROM version 2.1 and confirmed with the pedal-7-at-powerup check. The only think I can think of (kinda a longshot) is that when I opened her up to install the upgrade, the 4.5 V battery looked a bit old/coroded, so i'm on my way to replace it...since the battery is probably used to retain state at power-off, I don't see how that would come into play here. Can someone clue me in on the secret handshake to get the PMC-10 to recieve sysex successfully? thanks stephen __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Mar 23 14:27:59 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA03741; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 14:27:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 14:27:59 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <007c01bf94fd$20e57a90$64310140@concentric.net> From: "Larry Tremblay" To: , References: <20000323152938.15483.qmail@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: R8/R5 Human Rhythm Composers - Tabla drum machines Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 14:22:27 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"wmlHr3.0.HL.Hucsu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13069 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Check out the electronic Taalmala drum machine by Radel at Binswara Music. I'm ordering one soon. It's one of the best. RealPlayer previews, too. http://www.binaswar.com/electronics.htm - Larry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael LaMeyer" To: Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2000 10:29 AM Subject: Re: R8/R5 Human Rhythm Composers > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Luis Angulo" > To: > Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2000 3:11 AM > Subject: Re: R8/R5 Human Rhythm Composers > > >What about asian drum machines i.e. indian sounds, arabic, marrocan curry > >masala uh that would be nice is there anything out there like this? David > >torn claims he uses a north indian drum machine! > > > > There is a companay called Swar based in Switzerland that makes a software > tabla sequencer along with some other unique programs. > > http://www.swarsystems.com/ > > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Mar 23 14:30:07 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA04261; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 14:30:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 14:30:07 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <004e01bf94fe$299fb640$e17379a5@cliff> From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" To: Subject: Re: Digitech PMC-10 Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 11:29:14 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Resent-Message-ID: <"oXG1s1.0.gk.R_csu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13070 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Are there any photos of these floating around? i am thinking of diving into the midi floor control world but don't know where to start- There must be a reason why the PMC-10 is so sought after- why? Cliff -----Original Message----- From: Stephen To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Thursday, March 23, 2000 11:22 AM Subject: Digitech PMC-10 sysex woes >Thanks Sean & Claude for the Raymond pointers. i >hooked everything up last night, and Raymond seems to >be just the ticket, but I'm having a problem. The >Raymond-generated sysex I send out to the pedal >doesn't stick. > >I can see that the sysex is getting to the PMC-10 'cuz >the display chnages (blank with a star/asterisk on the >far left side - is this the correct behavior?) when it >is being sent, and the display then changes back when >the upload is complete. But none of the patches, >banks, or sets make it into the pedal. > >I've tried sending the sysex from raymond & from >cakewalk & tried 2 different midi ports out of the pc. >I tried sending a single bank with a single patch, to >a program containing several of each (~1600 bytes). >Raymond reports that the upload was successful, the >number of bytes, and that 1 program had been sent. I >can send program changes out from the pedal OK. I've >upgraded to PROM version 2.1 and confirmed with the >pedal-7-at-powerup check. > >The only think I can think of (kinda a longshot) is >that when I opened her up to install the upgrade, the >4.5 V battery looked a bit old/coroded, so i'm on my >way to replace it...since the battery is probably used >to retain state at power-off, I don't see how that >would come into play here. > >Can someone clue me in on the secret handshake to get >the PMC-10 to recieve sysex successfully? > >thanks > >stephen > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. >http://im.yahoo.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Mar 23 14:34:52 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA05767; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 14:34:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 14:34:52 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38DA9A2A.D869FD5D@fuse.net> Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 14:26:50 -0800 From: Mike Georgin X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Drum machine for loops / echoplex References: <013701bf9364$5727c4e0$327979a5@cliff> <001b01bf943e$aa3ef880$f90178d8@gary> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"jxGPm2.0.x21.43dsu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13072 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hey folks, I just picked up a Roland MC 505 Groovebox and man is it cool! I don't really have any experience with MIDI stuff ; right now I have my EDP synced to the 505. I like the idea of looping in time to the groovebox. Here's the problem; when I hit 'record' the EDP doesn't start right away. I know that it has to wait for the next clock signal or something. Also , when I'm done recording my loop , the EDP doesn't stop right away. Am I missing something. This "should" work. Any thoughts are most appreciated! Mike www.mikegeorgin.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Mar 23 14:50:11 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA09691; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 14:50:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 14:50:11 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <15.2272398.260bce29@aol.com> Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 14:44:41 EST Subject: Re: R8/R5 Human Rhythm Composers - Tabla drum machines To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 61 Resent-Message-ID: <"8n3lR1.0.V22.PHdsu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13073 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 3/23/00 5:27:58 PM Mid-Atlantic Standard Time, ltct@concentric.net writes: << http://www.binaswar.com/electronics.htm >> thanks larry..............mk From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Mar 23 14:34:46 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA05750; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 14:34:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 14:34:46 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <4.2.2.20000323112151.00ae7a30@mail.mindspring.com> X-Sender: sean_@mail.mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.2 Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 11:29:20 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Sean Subject: Re: Digitech PMC-10 sysex woes In-Reply-To: <20000323191112.13981.rocketmail@web220.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"m4_DL1.0.201.-1dsu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13071 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This might be related to a field that I think is labeled "device id" on the raymond config page. You need to match this field with that of your particular unit. If you don't know what the id is, then you'll have to try uploads targeting each of the 16 possible numbers. I'd cycle the pmc's power between each attempt too - but that may not be necessary. sean At 11:11 AM 3/23/2000 -0800, Stephen wrote: >Thanks Sean & Claude for the Raymond pointers. i >hooked everything up last night, and Raymond seems to >be just the ticket, but I'm having a problem. The >Raymond-generated sysex I send out to the pedal >doesn't stick. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Mar 23 14:57:53 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA11461; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 14:57:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 14:57:53 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Mike McGary" To: Subject: RE: Drum machine for loops / echoplex Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 13:51:00 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <38DA9A2A.D869FD5D@fuse.net> Resent-Message-ID: <"Tl09g3.0.3R2.ROdsu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13074 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > Here's the problem; when I hit 'record' the EDP doesn't start right > away. I know that it has to wait for > the next clock signal or something. Also , when I'm done > recording my loop , the > EDP doesn't stop right away. The beauty of the EDP is that this behaviour is configurable. I keep mine configured as you have yours set...this allows two of us to have loops that have some relation in time (we don't have to have the same length...but at least we have some common denominator). Check out the synch parameters. It doesn't have to use the incoming midi for a synch...and it doesn't have to wait for the next '1' beat, either. I don't have my unit or manual in front of me, or I would tell you which parameters you need to mess with. -Mike McGary From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Mar 23 15:21:12 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA18065; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 15:21:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 15:21:12 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <001901bf9504$93d54a60$b8425b80@upenn.edu> From: "David Petrozzi" To: References: Subject: Re: Philly Electro-Experimental Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 15:15:47 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"FfRRW2.0.v34.8kdsu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13076 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com ----- Original Message ----- > going to be at this > event?..........also, could whoever posted this please repost the > address..........looks like i might do a road-trip this > weekend........... The show will be held in 4012 Walnut St. (immediately adjacent to the University of Pennsylvania campus) in a building called the Rotunda. It is slightly set back from the road and appropriately shaped. Show starts around 8:00 and is free admission. If it's anything like last month's Gate to Moonbase it should be a very good time. Hope to see you there! regards, ~dp ____________________________ A disciplined mind brings happiness. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Mar 23 15:28:09 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA19497; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 15:28:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 15:28:09 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <003301bf9505$31445480$343c6acf@STVINC.COM> From: "Don Pancoe" To: References: <004e01bf94fe$299fb640$e17379a5@cliff> Subject: Re: Digitech PMC-10 Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 15:19:02 -0500 Organization: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Resent-Message-ID: <"gbF993.0.xR4.9qdsu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13077 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >There must be a reason why the PMC-10 is so sought after- why? One word - programmability. No matter how thorough someone else thinks their foot controller design is, there is a good chance it won't do exactly what you want it to do, especially if you are the experimental type. The PMC10 lets you program "strings" of MIDI messages that it will send when you press a button (or release a button, or press another button, or...) Messages can be any MIDI message type of any value on any channel. So if you want to send program change 98 on channel 1, cc#108 value 127 on channel 9, and the notes to play a D minor 7th chord on channel 16, all at the touch of one button, the PMC10 can do it. In fact, its one of very few foot pedals I've found that can send MIDI notes at all. BTW, I may be the one who mislead Stephen about the abilities of Raymond. I've not used Raymond myself extensively, and I was only repeating what I've heard - that there are a few funcitons, e.g., changing the device id, initiating a dump from the PMC10, and calibrating the expression pedals, which can not be accomplished through sysex. -- Mango -- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Mar 23 15:14:06 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA15403; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 15:14:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 15:14:06 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <01ae01bf9502$a4d2b9d0$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: Subject: Re: Drum machine for loops / echoplex Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 15:01:57 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"P7M3J.0.kP3.Pbdsu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13075 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I think that's normal behavior. The EDP is synching to the 505 clock. I think the value of "1/8s per beat" will affect the quantization of RECORD to the clock. Try adjusting it. Look for the 'sync' LED on the EDP. I think it will flash even before you press RECORD. Dennis Leas ----------------------------- dennis@mdbs.com -----Original Message----- From: Mike Georgin To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Thursday, March 23, 2000 2:41 PM Subject: Re: Drum machine for loops / echoplex > Hey folks, > I just picked up a Roland MC 505 Groovebox and man is it cool! I don't really >have any experience with MIDI stuff ; right now I have my EDP synced to the 505. >I like the idea of looping in time to the groovebox. Here's the problem; when I >hit 'record' the EDP doesn't start right away. I know that it has to wait for >the next clock signal or something. Also , when I'm done recording my loop , the >EDP doesn't stop right away. Am I missing something. This "should" work. Any >thoughts are most appreciated! > Mike >www.mikegeorgin.com > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Mar 23 16:34:06 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA04018; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 16:34:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 16:34:06 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38DA8689.9F028E6D@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 13:03:11 -0800 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: OT gotta move References: <7f.20f14ae.260ae1d4@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"PP3S-2.0.1n6.ENesu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13078 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com 'zbeen fun but i'm checkin' out fo' ten daze in the sun check you all in ap-e-ril -lance From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Mar 23 16:56:46 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA09524; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 16:56:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 16:56:46 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 15:50:07 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <200003232150.PAA06031@servidor.unam.mx> X-Sender: smaug@servidor.unam.mx X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Andy Soto Subject: Re: nice flick Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by rosy.yourwebhost.com id QAA08140 Resent-Message-ID: <"sK2Er1.0.R_1.D7fsu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13082 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Actually, to LATIN America´s credit the whole SON craze swept through (and it´s still sweeping) for about 70 years! in fact a lot of Cuban music flourished here in Mexico,a lot of the great cuban musicians made their carreers down here etc. It's good to see that the rest of the world is finally catching on. :D Andy At 08:59 a.m. 23/03/00 -0500, you wrote: >Actually, to America's credit, the whole Son craze swept through >about 10 years ago - there was a blizzard of articles in the >mainstream press, and dozens of articles in magazines such >as "Rhythm" (now defunct), "Drums & Drumming" and "Modern >Drummer", as well as "Keyboard" and others. It's good to see >that Europe and the rest of the world is finally catching on. :) > >- Larry > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Mar 23 16:49:17 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA07195; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 16:49:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 16:49:17 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: SketchyJoe@aol.com Message-ID: <70.1db4f8c.260be917@aol.com> Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 16:39:35 EST Subject: Re: "Loop" interacting with the rest of the music. To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 68 Resent-Message-ID: <"5pNI83.0.tJ1.yyesu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13081 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I think it is possible to create loops with a groove even if one's playing isn't the most rhythmically together. Unfortunately I think it becomes more luck than otherwise. I have twisted loops around, creating new rhythms that would close to impossible to describe or recreate. And on the other side, I've played with musicians from all sorts of ability and genres that have created grooves that fall completely out of their regular experience. Still, sitting inside of a solid groove created by skilled musicians listening and responding to one another goes far beyond almost anything else I've experienced. I personally find that there is a rhythmic push and pull that happens, between even two musicians, that distinguishes a nice rhythm from a GROOVE. Or something like that. Later! Joe From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Mar 23 16:49:43 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA07561; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 16:49:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 16:49:43 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38DA8D9D.4DE774D4@pop.agri.ch> Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 22:33:18 +0100 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Jes=FAs=20Turi=F1o?= Reply-To: j-turino@pop.agri.ch Organization: i45 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [de] (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: de,es MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: LOL shirts? References: <004001bf9455$98969680$b883abd4@h2v6p1> <38D9D655.40F61A75@vtx.ch> <38D9B1C8.61C8C064@mindspring.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"OWp63.0.X01.fuesu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13079 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com poor claude personne t'entende ;-) > Oh man, Claude, you're sitting on a gold mine here. > > I think "Loopers-Wefight" embroidered on the bill of the cap would work > too. > > Let the Looper marketing madness begin! Next will be the LooperMan > action figure complete with a little Klien Guitar, a bitty EDP, a tangle > of tiny fx pedals, and a dour expression. (bookcase full of philosophy > literature sold separately...) > > Claude voit wrote: > > > > Two XL 's > > > > and a cap with "LD unusubsribe" on it > > > > Calude From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Mar 23 16:48:45 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA07130; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 16:48:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 16:48:45 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <000201bf9510$ee2b6560$9683abd4@h2v6p1> From: "luca" To: References: <02e301bf9475$30330e00$b550dfc8@doutor> <38DA4924.9D25671F@quik.com> Subject: R: "Loop" interacting with the rest of the music. Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 20:57:26 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <"Ly_y_1.0.p41.qxesu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13080 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I completely subscribe this, Mr. Rev. Doubt Goat. Well said ! And, anyway, I think the best technique is the one you have forgiven. I falled in love with looping mostly because I haven't seen any cloning risk in making something born from your hands accepting not to have a complete control of the situation. This creates something deeply yours. Maybe it could be associated to unconsciuos acts: something that you have done without sure intention... It goes harder and harder trying to explane this in english. I mean that often my big fights are trying to forget a pentatonic scale or not to think at intervals while I am playing. If somebody plays and thinks afraid to make mistakes, he will never explore the inside deep of things. I love to listen to my girlfriend playing with my gtr without knowing anything about it, her loops are really fascinating. Maybe she listens more freely than me to the sound she makes, so they really make "sense". Great, Luca. ----- Original Message ----- From: Rev. Doubt-Goat To: Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2000 5:41 PM Subject: Re: "Loop" interacting with the rest of the music. > 93 > > Julio Moreno wrote: > > > > I post this some days ago...i think was an important topic ...No coments ??? > > The questions is: > > How you can ''construct'' a groovy loop if you don't know to play your > > instrument with swing ??? I speaking about ''construct'' playing , not > > programing/sampling etcetc ... > > Hmmmm, if I understand you correctly here, you're asking how one can > create good loops without being a good musician. > > Well, looping is often approached from a different angle than standard > playing technique, and as such, often lends itself well to the "naive" > musician. A minimal set of physical skills is all that is necessary. > Music is in the "ears," not the "hands." > > 93 > Rev. Doubt-Goat > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Mar 23 17:56:42 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA22986; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 17:56:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 17:56:42 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <000501bf951b$2ec9dca0$ced99b3e@oemcomputer> From: L.Angulo@t-online.de (Luis Angulo) To: References: <004e01bf94fe$299fb640$e17379a5@cliff> <003301bf9505$31445480$343c6acf@STVINC.COM> Subject: Re: Digitech PMC-10 Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 22:46:54 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Sender: 320086123907-0001@t-dialin.net Resent-Message-ID: <"3vUfz1.0.PH5.7-fsu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13083 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Just for your information, Be careful with the PMC 10 it is a grat device but not reliable i finally got rid of it after crashing on me so many times.Hours and hours of programing for nothing and i am not the only one. I´ve talked to many people who also got rid of it because of the same reason. The guys at Digitech weren´t that helpfull either. But check out the new Yamaha MFC 10 i believe it does all the PMC 10 does it is new and Yamaha has a good reputation for reliability! Good luck! L.A. > > >There must be a reason why the PMC-10 is so sought after- why? > > One word - programmability. No matter how thorough someone else thinks their > foot controller design is, there is a good chance it won't do exactly what > you want it to do, especially if you are the experimental type. The PMC10 > lets you program "strings" of MIDI messages that it will send when you press > a button (or release a button, or press another button, or...) > > Messages can be any MIDI message type of any value on any channel. So if you > want to send program change 98 on channel 1, cc#108 value 127 on channel 9, > and the notes to play a D minor 7th chord on channel 16, all at the touch of > one button, the PMC10 can do it. In fact, its one of very few foot pedals > I've found that can send MIDI notes at all. > > BTW, I may be the one who mislead Stephen about the abilities of Raymond. > I've not used Raymond myself extensively, and I was only repeating what I've > heard - that there are a few funcitons, e.g., changing the device id, > initiating a dump from the PMC10, and calibrating the expression pedals, > which can not be accomplished through sysex. > > -- Mango -- > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Mar 23 19:01:36 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA05730; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 19:01:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 19:01:36 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000323184702.007b6ac0@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 18:47:02 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: R: "Loop" interacting with the rest of the music. In-Reply-To: <000201bf9510$ee2b6560$9683abd4@h2v6p1> References: <02e301bf9475$30330e00$b550dfc8@doutor> <38DA4924.9D25671F@quik.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"T7yHT2.0.MU.Uogsu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13084 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 08:57 PM 3/23/00 +0100, you wrote: >> Julio Moreno wrote: >> > How you can ''construct'' a groovy loop if you don't know to play your >> > instrument with swing ??? .... The good Rev. answered: >> Hmmmm, if I understand you correctly here, you're asking how one can >> create good loops without being a good musician. I guess the way the questioned was phrased made me think the same thing, but it raises a couple of other (possibly) good questions (which were probably not what Mr. Moreno was asking either!): 1) When constructing music in a non-realtime, multitrack setting, do any of you have any favorite tricks to make your tracks using an instrument that's NOT your main instrument "swing"? [As an example, I'm thinking mostly of guitarists who are perfectly competent at their own instrument, but who might need a little help making drum parts sound better (either real drums or programmed), or in tweaking samples to better fit the feel of the music.] 2) Many of us find ourselves using loops in the same sort of context over and over. (Kim has spoken of one aspect of the phenomenon as being "hung up on the textural guitar thing.") Does anyone have anything interesting to say about incorporating loops into a different style of music than one you'd generally played, or intentionally blurring genre/stylistic barriers in your looping? Tim From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Mar 23 20:01:59 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA18721; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 20:01:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 20:01:59 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: tcweller@lucid.spiraco.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <000501bf951b$2ec9dca0$ced99b3e@oemcomputer> References: <004e01bf94fe$299fb640$e17379a5@cliff> <003301bf9505$31445480$343c6acf@STVINC.COM> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 19:02:32 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Travis Weller Subject: Re: Digitech PMC-10 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by rosy.yourwebhost.com id TAA17288 Resent-Message-ID: <"Qmsup1.0.ME4.grhsu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13086 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >Just for your information, >Be careful with the PMC 10 it is a grat device but not reliable i finally >got rid of it after crashing on me so many times.Hours and hours of >programing for nothing and i am not the only one. I´ve talked to many people >who also got rid of it because of the same reason. The guys at Digitech >weren´t that helpfull either. But check out the new Yamaha MFC 10 i believe >it does all the PMC 10 does it is new and Yamaha has a good reputation for >reliability! I'm not an expert on the capabilities of the PMC-10, but I own a Yamaha MFC-10 and have been very pleased with it so far. I know that each switch has the ability to send up to 4 simultaneous messages of the same type (including note, controller, pgm changes etc.) I've been using it to successfully control the EDP and various other rack effects and devices in my setup. The display is somewhat limiting, and often deals in hex, but it the interface is actually pretty quick once you get going. The main thing that drew me to the MFC-10 is it's support of up to 4 external expression pedals in addition to the one built in. Five continuous controllers at my feet is just the right number for me! I've had it for less than a month, and I'm still exploring, but it has really opened up a lot of new possibilities. -travis From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Mar 23 20:09:21 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA20475; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 20:09:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 20:09:21 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <001101bf9529$2c147840$b8425b80@upenn.edu> From: "David Petrozzi" To: References: <02e301bf9475$30330e00$b550dfc8@doutor><38DA4924.9D25671F@quik.com> <3.0.5.32.20000323184702.007b6ac0@pop.ici.net> Subject: Re: R: "Loop" interacting with the rest of the music. Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 19:37:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"PJ4s-1.0.4K3.iZhsu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13085 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I often use loops to create a bed of sound upon which to couch a solo. In this context they are not the focal point of the music, but a kind of cavalry...always riding alongside, ready to sweep across an audience before the ground troops infiltrate. ~dp ____________________________ A disciplined mind brings happiness. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Mar 23 20:42:09 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA28278; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 20:42:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 20:42:09 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: alex@cliff.pixar.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20000323184702.007b6ac0@pop.ici.net> References: <000201bf9510$ee2b6560$9683abd4@h2v6p1> <02e301bf9475$30330e00$b550dfc8@doutor> <38DA4924.9D25671F@quik.com> Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 17:19:43 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Alex Stahl Subject: Re: R: "Loop" interacting with the rest of the music. Resent-Message-ID: <"zav9L3.0.Dl5.SDisu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13087 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 3:47 PM -0800 3/23/00, Tim Nelson wrote: > 2) Many of us find ourselves using loops in the same sort of >context over >and over. (Kim has spoken of one aspect of the phenomenon as being "hung up >on the textural guitar thing.") Disclaimer: the following is an OT response to an out-of-context quote by someone who never read the original post. (isn't that what email lists are all about?:) Sometimes I think there are two kinds of looping and it is worth distinguishing them. a) looping in order to build up a more or less complete piece of music using fewer people or tracks than might be otherwise needed. b) looping where a circular recording device is considered an integral part of a musical instrument, and the performance practice on the instrument reflects the opportunities and constraints of repetition and layering. a is perhaps a little more result oriented, and b is perhaps a little more process oriented. Or not. a is perhaps more of an application for sequencer/DAW/sampling technology, and b is perhaps more of an application for DSP/tape-loop/stompbox technology. imho, b includes "the textural guitar thing". Being hung up on doing that over and over is no worse than a sax player being hung up on breathing. It's an instrument in its own right and can be practiced indefinitely like any other instrument, which is not to say unpracticed music isn't some of the best music. I don't play guitar at all, but I am certainly hung up on my "textural harmonized-distorted surround-sound bowed-bass thing", and proud of it. But of course, the real truth is this: there are two kinds of people, those who divide things into two kinds and those who don't. And of course, there are n kinds of looping where n > the number of people on this list... (duck) -Alex S. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Mar 23 21:12:13 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA02752; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 21:12:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 21:12:13 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <000701bf9535$a692b120$5e0078d8@gary> From: "Gary Lehmann" To: References: <000201bf9510$ee2b6560$9683abd4@h2v6p1><02e301bf9475$30330e00$b550dfc8@doutor> <38DA4924.9D25671F@quik.com> Subject: Re: R: "Loop" interacting with the rest of the music. Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 18:07:03 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <"V6p5L3.0.IE.9pisu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13090 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com There are three kinds of people--those who can count and those who can't. ----- Original Message ----- > But of course, the real truth is this: there are two kinds of people, those > who divide things into two kinds and those who don't. > > And of course, there are n kinds of looping where n > the number of people > on this list... (duck) > > -Alex S. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Mar 23 21:13:07 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA03651; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 21:13:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 21:13:07 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: pvallad1@tampabay.rr.com Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000323205641.00b1cd70@pop-server> X-Sender: pvallad1@pop-server X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 20:56:41 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Meadowlark Lemon Trio/Quartet In-Reply-To: <38D80271.394297E2@compuserve.com> References: <3.0.6.32.20000321002849.00b10e00@pop-server> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"PlMLt1.0.3b7.Viisu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13088 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 12:14 AM 3/22/00 +0100, you wrote: >interesting how this miles 70's thing has attracted SO many musicians in >the last couple years. > >e.g. wadada smith and henry kaiser, bobby previte's bitches brew thang >and ponga, tim hagan's last blue note album, bob belden's live stuff, >... etc. > >was miles just THAT far ahead of the rest of us? and i remember how >everyone (me too) used to trash his 70's stuff ... in the 80's of >course. ;-) My improv teacher and independent research project advisor in college made similar statements in reaction to me playing an Allan Holdsworth tape for him. "Fusion just can't seem to get away from Miles Davis!" For clarification, the band I was talking about is not a Miles Davis tribute band any more than a jazz big band is a "Duke Ellington tribute band" just because they play two Ellington compositions out of 10 songs. :) The kid I was talking about may sound like Miles now, but remember he's only 18 years old. Some jazz musician said that the process starts with imitating your heroes first, then discovering your own sound later. On the other hand, John's stated favorite trumpet player is not Miles, but Dave Douglas, who sounds quite different. Have I confused you enough? :) Paolo From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Mar 23 21:11:30 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA02621; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 21:11:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 21:11:30 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000323175756.008d8100@pop3.argotech.net> X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 17:57:56 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Rich Subject: Re: R: "Loop" interacting with the rest of the music. In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20000323184702.007b6ac0@pop.ici.net> References: <000201bf9510$ee2b6560$9683abd4@h2v6p1> <02e301bf9475$30330e00$b550dfc8@doutor> <38DA4924.9D25671F@quik.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"Ltr2N2.0.nt7.bmisu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13089 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I think that new Roland Variphrase Processor is going to make some interesting headway into just this sort of thing. Realtime control over pitch, length, and 'groove'. Expensive? yes. Scary Possibilities? definitely. ProTools has been seen as a way to make musicians with no talent sound like superstars. I think we have another culprit here on the horizon. Talent? Only $2700 buck away! We don't need no stinking talent! At 06:47 PM 3/23/00 -0500, you wrote: >At 08:57 PM 3/23/00 +0100, you wrote: >>> Julio Moreno wrote: >>> > How you can ''construct'' a groovy loop if you don't know to play your >>> > instrument with swing ??? .... > >The good Rev. answered: >>> Hmmmm, if I understand you correctly here, you're asking how one can >>> create good loops without being a good musician. > >I guess the way the questioned was phrased made me think the same thing, >but it raises a couple of other (possibly) good questions (which were >probably not what Mr. Moreno was asking either!): > > 1) When constructing music in a non-realtime, multitrack setting, do any >of you have any favorite tricks to make your tracks using an instrument >that's NOT your main instrument "swing"? [As an example, I'm thinking >mostly of guitarists who are perfectly competent at their own instrument, >but who might need a little help making drum parts sound better (either >real drums or programmed), or in tweaking samples to better fit the feel of >the music.] > > 2) Many of us find ourselves using loops in the same sort of context over >and over. (Kim has spoken of one aspect of the phenomenon as being "hung up >on the textural guitar thing.") Does anyone have anything interesting to >say about incorporating loops into a different style of music than one >you'd generally played, or intentionally blurring genre/stylistic barriers >in your looping? > >Tim > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Mar 23 21:43:31 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA10796; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 21:43:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 21:43:31 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <72.2546cc1.260c2f88@aol.com> Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 21:40:08 EST Subject: Re: Philly Electro-Experimental To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 61 Resent-Message-ID: <"jV0e03.0.3Y2.hMjsu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13092 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 3/23/00 6:21:32 PM Mid-Atlantic Standard Time, david97@wharton.upenn.edu writes: << The show will be held in 4012 Walnut St. >> thanks david..............mk From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Mar 23 21:44:56 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA11873; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 21:44:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 21:44:56 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000323213804.007c0e90@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 21:38:04 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: R: "Loop" interacting with the rest of the music. In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.5.32.20000323184702.007b6ac0@pop.ici.net> <000201bf9510$ee2b6560$9683abd4@h2v6p1> <02e301bf9475$30330e00$b550dfc8@doutor> <38DA4924.9D25671F@quik.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"93hdD3.0.jE2.qIjsu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13091 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 05:19 PM 3/23/00 -0800, you wrote: >imho, b includes "the textural guitar thing". Being hung up on doing that >over and over is no worse than a sax player being hung up on breathing. Just to place that in context, what Kim was referring to as "hung up" was when people define looping itself too narrowly, identifying it as a musical style rather than a technique, equating it exclusively with Frippian "soundscapes" and failing to recognize that looping can be (and is) applied to a wide variety of types of music. It wasn't a value judgement; there's certainly nothing wrong with concentrating one's efforts on a particular genre of music. To use your sax player analogy, the original context had more to do with a hypothetical response to a statement/mindset along the lines of "Oh, you breathe? I'll bet you play the saxophone!" Tim From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Mar 23 21:45:52 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA12021; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 21:45:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 21:45:52 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <6353B404BE7DD311A4F70090279CCEE36D8DCD@cof110exch007u.dr.lucent.com> From: "Schreier, Steven (Steven)" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Shamless Music Plug Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 19:43:01 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by rosy.yourwebhost.com id VAA10695 Resent-Message-ID: <"yGu6L3.0.Od2.vOjsu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13093 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I think you fellow Loopers might enjoy!!!!  Check out the website...     www.matthewstewart.com/   From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Mar 23 22:02:03 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA16337; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 22:02:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 22:02:03 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Jax1723@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 21:57:52 EST Subject: roland dr.sample/smart media card questions To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 70 Resent-Message-ID: <"W7ftK2.0.Vf3.Kdjsu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13094 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hello all, I have a few questions about using the media cards with this device so if anyone out there has one and can answer'em I'd appreciate it greatly. ---how long after inserting the card does it take for the samples to load? I basically want to use it in a live setting sending the samples into a looper but don't want to have to wait too long for them to load... especially if I have more than one card. ----anyone experience problems using them; ie. losing data? ----is it possible to get the samples from banks A and B onto a card (C/D)... so you can back-up what is in the ram? what should I expect to pay for a 4mb card? Does it have to be a roland? very much thanks in advance cheers jack From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Mar 23 22:09:20 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA18237; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 22:09:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 22:09:20 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "future perfect" To: Subject: RE: Digitech PMC-10 Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 22:06:49 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: <"bP3Wk1.0.e_3.lgjsu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13095 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Is there a webpage with specs for the Yamaha MFC-10?? Dave Eichenberger- guitars.loops.devices http://home1.gte.net/artmusic/dave > > I'm not an expert on the capabilities of the PMC-10, but I own a Yamaha > MFC-10 and have been very pleased with it so far. I know that each switch > has the ability to send up to 4 simultaneous messages of the same type > (including note, controller, pgm changes etc.) I've been using it to > successfully control the EDP and various other rack effects and devices in > my setup. The display is somewhat limiting, and often deals in hex, but it > the interface is actually pretty quick once you get going. The main thing > that drew me to the MFC-10 is it's support of up to 4 external expression > pedals in addition to the one built in. Five continuous controllers at my > feet is just the right number for me! I've had it for less than a month, > and I'm still exploring, but it has really opened up a lot of new > possibilities. > > -travis > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Mar 23 22:26:08 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA23622; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 22:26:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 22:26:08 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <001701bf9540$dde6cfc0$d60078d8@gary> From: "Gary Lehmann" To: References: Subject: Re: Digitech PMC-10 Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 19:27:21 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <"G6AWf2.0.UV5.V-jsu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13097 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Yes-- http://www.yamaha.com/cgi-win/webcgi.exe/Specs/?gMCD00005MFC10 ----- Original Message ----- From: future perfect To: Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2000 7:06 PM Subject: RE: Digitech PMC-10 > Is there a webpage with specs for the Yamaha MFC-10?? > > Dave Eichenberger- guitars.loops.devices > http://home1.gte.net/artmusic/dave > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Mar 23 22:23:18 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA22505; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 22:23:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 22:23:18 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Loopbozo@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 22:18:51 EST Subject: Re: Meadowlark Lemon Trio/Quartet To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 67 Resent-Message-ID: <"c2njb.0.sB5.0xjsu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13096 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 3/23/00 7:13:15 PM Mountain Standard Time, pvallad1@tampabay.rr.com writes: << >was miles just THAT far ahead of the rest of us? and i remember how >> Actually I'm just now to the point that I sound like Miles, that is, how he plays now, like in a major silent way. bryan helm p.s. a loop is it's own groove-good,bad or indifferent From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Mar 23 22:56:52 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA31124; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 22:56:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 22:56:52 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000324035125.9872.qmail@web3405.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 19:51:25 -0800 (PST) From: Aaron Schindler Subject: # of subscribers? To: looper list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"0f2mV.0.QG7.TPksu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13098 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Does anyone know the # of people currently on this list? Just curious. Aaron __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Mar 23 23:03:36 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA01265; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 23:03:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 23:03:36 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 22:59:49 EST Subject: Re: # of subscribers? To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 61 Resent-Message-ID: <"IzXmS.0.Gx7.QXksu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13099 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 3/24/00 1:57:05 AM Mid-Atlantic Standard Time, aaron_sorghum@yahoo.com writes: << Does anyone know the # of people currently on this list? >> seeing that you can not un-subsribe from it, i would bet there are a lot-o-folk.........mk From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Mar 23 23:07:46 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA01722; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 23:07:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 23:07:46 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38DAE91B.4CEE7FEB@voicenet.com> Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 23:03:39 -0500 From: Legion X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: roland dr.sample/smart media card questions References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"fgpwd1.0.4M.cbksu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13100 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > what should I expect to pay for a 4mb card? Does it have to be a roland? Alas this is the only question I can answer because I use a MC505 (With my looping gear -OT!) Any appropriate Volt 2 or 4 Mg smart media card should work. The MC505 uses 5vt but check your SP202 manual for the actual specs you need. Roland's cards are the most expensive available. You can find useable cards at plenty of online places for a fraction of their price. These days a 4 MG card goes for about $15-20 max. I bought one from a place up in Canada a few months ago and it cost $17+$5 = $22 shipped and arrived in three days. You can find sources for these by searching for smart media on Pricewatch.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- HELP WANTED PRODUCTIONS - Http://www.voicenet.com/~legion "Bringing you the best in Organic Electronic music since we started..." Home of the Unusual Instrument and Recording Gallery with pictures and info of Tube recorders, Omnichords, weird guitars, Casios, and more. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Mar 23 23:28:58 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA07340; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 23:28:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 23:28:58 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Pedro Felix" To: Subject: Re: # of subscribers? Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 23:23:52 -0600 Message-ID: <01bf9551$243361e0$0bc44e0c@Wroswick.uvm.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"5-nX61.0.-b1.fvksu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13101 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Well, let us see,...I know i'm here, Kim's still manning the boards, dt's been checking in and blowing minds (oh his gig on Monday was fun, I was there and met a fellow Looper and dt touched my shirt!), oh yeah saw a post recently by Stig, then there's Larry just generally freaking everyone out in all the best ways, Jesus my man in the Alps, dp in PA., Luca, and you Aaron....,actually some days it seems like there are at least 45 people on here each with a different opinion and a little bitter about it....but I don't think i'd want it any other way. Pedro -----Original Message----- From: Aaron Schindler To: looper list Date: Thursday, March 23, 2000 10:01 PM Subject: # of subscribers? >Does anyone know the # of people currently on this >list? >Just curious. > >Aaron > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. >http://im.yahoo.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Mar 24 05:56:23 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA32180; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 05:56:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 05:56:23 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <004b01bf957f$618d5220$249cb8d4@oemcomputer> From: L.Angulo@t-online.de (Luis Angulo) To: References: Subject: Re: Digitech PMC-10 Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 11:54:12 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Sender: 320086123907-0001@t-dialin.net Resent-Message-ID: <"TzaUF3.0.JX7.YUqsu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13102 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com hello travis, can you play synth chords with the mfc 10 also? Does it have an off and on switch? power supply? is it sturdy? how much did you pay for it? I appreciate it! L.A. > > > > I'm not an expert on the capabilities of the PMC-10, but I own a Yamaha > > MFC-10 and have been very pleased with it so far. I know that each switch > > has the ability to send up to 4 simultaneous messages of the same type > > (including note, controller, pgm changes etc.) I've been using it to > > successfully control the EDP and various other rack effects and devices in > > my setup. The display is somewhat limiting, and often deals in hex, but it > > the interface is actually pretty quick once you get going. The main thing > > that drew me to the MFC-10 is it's support of up to 4 external expression > > pedals in addition to the one built in. Five continuous controllers at my > > feet is just the right number for me! I've had it for less than a month, > > and I'm still exploring, but it has really opened up a lot of new > > possibilities. > > > > -travis > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Mar 24 07:41:24 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA25141; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 07:41:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 07:41:24 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: McCullaghJ@Logica.com Subject: Re: R: "Loop" interacting with the rest of the music. To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.2b (Intl) 16 December 1999 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 11:57:02 +0000 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on DublinDomino01/SRV/Aldiscon(Release 5.0.2c (Intl)|2 February 2000) at 24/03/2000 11:57:02 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"we7i_2.0.b83.5Xrsu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13103 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tim: > looping can be (and is) applied to a wide variety of types of music I really like the tracks on the new Ani DiFranco album that she did solo with looping. She starts her live show with loops as well. And allegedly Squarepusher does gigs where he uses drums, bass, keyboards and loopers/samplers on them all. Anyone been to one of these loop-fests? John From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Mar 24 08:12:20 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA05181; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 08:12:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 08:12:20 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <006a01bf9591$d2080240$b8425b80@upenn.edu> From: "David Petrozzi" To: References: Subject: LOCATION CHANGE re: Philly Electro-Experimental Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 08:06:51 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0067_01BF9567.E9106880" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"Vs3J4.0.vq._Xssu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13104 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0067_01BF9567.E9106880 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I was given some spurious advice regarding the location of the show. = Due to recent renovations, the Gate to Moonbase Alpha will be held at = the following location: -------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- Saturday, March 25th, 8pm - Gate to Moon Base Alpha -------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- Join us for the next installment in the Gate to Moon Base Alpha series. Gate explores the creative expanse of ambient-space-psychedelic musical = and sonic curiosities. The evening will highlight improvisations and = compositions by top local talent. Hosted by DJ Spaceling. ***At the = former Christian Association building, 3601 Locust Walk.*** Doors open = at 8pm. Admission is free. For more information, visit The Philadelphia Ambient Consortium on the web: http://simpletone.com/pacman.htm ***please note that Locust Walk is directly on the UPENN campus*** hope to see everyone there, ~dp ____________________________ A disciplined mind brings happiness. ------=_NextPart_000_0067_01BF9567.E9106880 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I was given some spurious advice regarding the location of the = show. =20 Due to recent renovations, the Gate to Moonbase Alpha will be = held at the=20 following location:
 
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Join=20 us for the next installment in the Gate to Moon Base Alpha = series.
Gate=20 explores the creative expanse of ambient-space-psychedelic musical and = sonic=20 curiosities.  The evening will highlight improvisations and = compositions by=20 top local talent.  Hosted by DJ Spaceling.  ***At the former = Christian=20 Association building, 3601 Locust Walk.***  Doors open at = 8pm. =20 Admission is free.
 
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***please note that Locust Walk is directly on the UPENN = campus***
 
 
hope to see everyone there,
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A disciplined mind brings=20 happiness.
------=_NextPart_000_0067_01BF9567.E9106880-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Mar 24 09:01:00 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA19844; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 09:01:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 09:01:00 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000324134313.87049.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [165.227.137.206] From: "David Potter" To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Subject: EV5 pedal not working with DL4... Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 05:43:13 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"BHAtX.0.ed3.I4tsu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13105 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Yo loopheads...I'd heard that the EV5 pedal works fine with the line 6 DL4 but it doesn't seem like it's doing all the stuff it's suppose to do. Does the line 6 expression pedal for the DL4 do things that the EV5 won't? I want to mine all the gold!!! Om and Out Papa Dave PS 2 extra large T's BTW ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Mar 24 11:04:48 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA19591; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 11:04:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 11:04:48 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38DB90E8.BBAF4EB6@bellsouth.net> Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 10:59:36 -0500 From: Jeff Duke X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Subject: Online cd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"3HKOf.0.PU4._3vsu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13106 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hey gang Wazzup?, Just a note to let you know that I have put up my new cd online. 30 tracks on a double cd. The page is under heavy construction but the audio and cd pics.zip are working. Feedback is always appreciated. Jeff Duke http://members.xoom.com/echo17/cd.html http://members.xoom.com/echo17/tbl.html From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Mar 24 11:31:42 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA27108; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 11:31:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 11:31:42 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 11:25:37 EST Subject: Re: Online cd To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 61 Resent-Message-ID: <"BEcS4.0.i96.cSvsu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13108 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 3/24/00 2:04:45 PM Mid-Atlantic Standard Time, jmar@bellsouth.net writes: << http://members.xoom.com/echo17/cd.html >> jeff......stopped for a visit and got several "connection" errors and finally a "time out" your goonzo message.........did get to hear one of the tunes..........ill be back!.........i luvs the "FREE" music..........thanks............mk From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Mar 24 11:31:31 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA26793; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 11:31:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 11:31:31 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 08:18:49 -0800 From: "Mike Biffle" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, tcweller@spiraco.com Subject: Re: Digitech PMC-10 >> Yamaha MFC10 Resent-Message-ID: <"objFH2.0.Ql5.0Nvsu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13107 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >The main thing that drew me to the MFC-10 is it's support of up to 4 external expression pedals in addition to the one built in. Five continuous controllers at my feet is just the right number for me! I've had it for less than a month, and I'm still exploring, but it has really opened up a lot of new possibilities. -travis Those 5 pedals are what have me looking at it! What did you pay for it Travis (if you don't mind telling)? Also... can you send up to 4 of the same event type AS WELL AS OTHER EVENTS (pgm chg) on the same patch? For instance... I regularly send 8 cc loop switcher commands along with a pgm chg on patches which call an external fuzz pedal plugged into my switcher... I COULD live with 4 cc's AND a pgm chg. Otherwise, I'm having to change other parts of my rig to accomodate a different controller. -Miko From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Mar 24 13:18:50 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA20699; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 13:18:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 13:18:50 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38DBAFB3.16F114AD@bellsouth.net> Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 13:10:59 -0500 From: Jeff Duke X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Online cd References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"EajaK3.0.-g4.9_wsu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13109 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com tanx mon, yeah Xoom is having problems as usual but if I try several times they all play and download. jeff I play for free, I play for me, I play a whole lot more. Zepplin Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 3/24/00 2:04:45 PM Mid-Atlantic Standard Time, > jmar@bellsouth.net writes: > > << http://members.xoom.com/echo17/cd.html >> > > jeff......stopped for a visit and got several "connection" errors and finally > a "time out" your goonzo message.........did get to hear one of the > tunes..........ill be back!.........i luvs the "FREE" > music..........thanks............mk From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Mar 24 13:41:26 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA26259; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 13:41:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 13:41:26 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: From: "Depratti, Robert" To: "'loopers-delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: looper tablature Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 13:35:47 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <"R2BQz.0.m46.8Mxsu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13110 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I have just purchased my first echoplex digital pro and I was wondering if anybody could help me find some guitar tablature for pieces of music that could really highlight the EDP. I would really appreciate any help you could give -Bob From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Mar 24 13:51:50 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA28861; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 13:51:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 13:51:50 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: From: "Depratti, Robert" To: "'loopers-delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: FW: looper tablature Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 13:47:48 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <"ob38C3.0.Os6.LXxsu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13111 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I have just purchased my first echoplex digital pro and I was wondering if anybody could help me find some guitar tablature for pieces of music that could really highlight the EDP. I would really appreciate any help you could give -Bob From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Mar 24 14:12:16 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA01859; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 14:12:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 14:12:16 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <00c401bf95c4$21cee8c0$757a79a5@cliff> From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" To: Subject: Re: looper tablature Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 11:06:55 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Resent-Message-ID: <"rFLDz2.0.vk7.-lxsu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13112 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Any song in the world could highlight the EDP! - try the OLGA search engine of guitar tablature- it is great- you can search for it or link to it through Harmony Central's website- Enjoy your new EDP! Cliff -----Original Message----- From: Depratti, Robert To: 'loopers-delight@annihilist.com' Date: Friday, March 24, 2000 11:01 AM Subject: looper tablature >I have just purchased my first echoplex digital pro and I was wondering if >anybody could help me find some guitar tablature for pieces of music that >could really highlight the EDP. I would really appreciate any help you >could give -Bob > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Mar 24 14:45:25 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA09636; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 14:45:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 14:45:25 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38DBBF10.F4659061@ppi2pass.com> Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 11:16:36 -0800 From: Mark Sottilaro Reply-To: msottilaro@ppi2pass.com Organization: PPI X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: looper tablature: Let go your conscious self... References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"cZraX.0.9n.Czxsu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13113 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com First of all I'd like to begin with a question back: Did you get a used one? Is Trace Elliot shipping the fabled new models? Do tell. Second, I'd like to suggest that you toss away tablature of any kind. What these devices really do well is they allow you to improvise and build pieces of music from scratch in a very natural way. (for me, at least) "Depratti, Robert" wrote: > I have just purchased my first echoplex digital pro and I was wondering if > anybody could help me find some guitar tablature for pieces of music that > could really highlight the EDP. I would really appreciate any help you > could give -Bob -- Mark Sottilaro Professional Publications, Inc 1250 Fifth Ave, Belmont CA 94002 Multimedia Production E-mail: msottilaro@ppi2pass.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Mar 24 15:33:12 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA21056; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 15:33:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 15:33:12 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 15:19:37 -0500 Subject: Re: looper tablature From: Doug Miller To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"f1bLg1.0.164.Pqysu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13114 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I have a book of instrumental acoustic guitar music that has some great loops used in many of the songs. It is by Phil Keaggy and is all of the songs on his Acoustic Sketches CD. It is available from John August Music, 1-800-664-8482, 3545 Jeannine Dr., Suite 208, Colorado Springs, CO 80917. It sould be around $20. Phil uses a JamMan, but I'm certain that the EDP will be even better on these tunes! Enjoy! ______________________________________ Doug "I wish I had a EDP" Miller http://home.columbus.rr.com/dougmiller > I have just purchased my first echoplex digital pro and I was wondering if > anybody could help me find some guitar tablature for pieces of music that > could really highlight the EDP. I would really appreciate any help you > could give -Bob From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Mar 24 16:09:49 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA29393; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 16:09:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 16:09:49 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: stanitarium@earthlink.net Message-Id: <200003242103.NAA03310@hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 13:03:27 -0800 Subject: Re: R: "Loop" interacting with the rest of the music. To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"kjZPn.0.5i6.8Xzsu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13115 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Also semi-OT-On the Warren Zevon solo tour he is looping his acoustic guit-anybody know what he is using 2 live loop with??...GOIN'LOOPY...STANNER ---------- >From: McCullaghJ@Logica.com >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Subject: Re: R: "Loop" interacting with the rest of the music. >Date: Fri, Mar 24, 2000, 3:57 AM > > > Tim: >> looping can be (and is) applied to a wide variety of types of music > > I really like the tracks on the new Ani DiFranco album that she did solo > with looping. She starts her live show with loops as well. > > And allegedly Squarepusher does gigs where he uses drums, bass, keyboards > and loopers/samplers on them all. Anyone been to one of these loop-fests? > > John > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Mar 24 16:56:18 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA06984; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 16:56:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 16:56:18 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38DBE235.ADDB4331@pop.agri.ch> Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 22:46:29 +0100 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Jes=FAs=20Turi=F1o?= Reply-To: j-turino@pop.agri.ch Organization: i45 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [de] (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: de,es MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Looper realbook 3 out!!! (was looper tablature) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by rosy.yourwebhost.com id QAA05580 Resent-Message-ID: <"AFynB2.0.QN1.kB-su"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13116 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hello Bob, Hello Dough Looper Songbooks Europe just published the new looper realbook 3 and it contains 6 songs of P. Keaggy. I was always a big Keaggy-Fan ... first I played all his songs with my EDP, but the songs didn't really "breathe & flow", the carpet was very thin ... so I sold my EDP to buy a better JamMan and now the songs sound much better. I'm absolutely shure, the JamMan is much better to play Phil Keaggy songs ... 5 minutes ago I went to my sisters room and played with her EDP the two songs "slo-motion slam" and "three headed mind polution" (P. Keaggy) and it sounds terrible. Bob, someone gave you a bad advice ... sell the EDP and buy a JamMan. Normally I don't sell loop-stuff, but now I have 7 JamMan on stock. If you want one, I could take the EDP as a trade in and it would cost you about $250-300 ... shipping included! Jesús Turińo _______________________________________ Looper Songbooks Europe General Manager phone +41 41 761'26'42 fax +41 41 761'33'91 Doug Miller schrieb: > I have a book of instrumental acoustic guitar music that has some great > loops used in many of the songs. It is by Phil Keaggy and is all of the > songs on his Acoustic Sketches CD. It is available from John August Music, > 1-800-664-8482, 3545 Jeannine Dr., Suite 208, Colorado Springs, CO 80917. It > sould be around $20. > > Phil uses a JamMan, but I'm certain that the EDP will be even better on > these tunes! > > Enjoy! > > ______________________________________ > Doug "I wish I had a EDP" Miller > http://home.columbus.rr.com/dougmiller > > > I have just purchased my first echoplex digital pro and I was wondering if > > anybody could help me find some guitar tablature for pieces of music that > > could really highlight the EDP. I would really appreciate any help you > > could give -Bob From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Mar 24 17:21:02 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA13263; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 17:21:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 17:21:02 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: tcweller@lucid.spiraco.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <004b01bf957f$618d5220$249cb8d4@oemcomputer> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 16:23:32 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Travis Weller Subject: Re: Digitech PMC-10 >> Yamaha MFC10 Resent-Message-ID: <"dFYw21.0.M93.ec-su"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13118 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >>The main thing that drew me to the MFC-10 is it's support of up to 4 >>external expression pedals in addition to the one built in. >Those 5 pedals are what have me looking at it! What did you pay for >it Travis (if you don't mind telling)? Not at all. I paid about $350, but that doesn't count the 4 Ernie Ball volume pedals plugged into it... ouch. But this was the deciding factor in my purchase. I was also looking at the PMC-10, which I kept seeing go for way too much money. >Also... can you send up to 4 of the same event type AS WELL AS OTHER >EVENTS (pgm chg) on the same patch? For instance... I regularly send 8 >cc loop switcher commands along with a pgm chg on patches which call >an external fuzz pedal plugged into my switcher... I COULD live with 4 >cc's AND a pgm chg. Otherwise, I'm having to change other parts of my >rig to accomodate a different controller. I haven't figured out how to do that. Here is what the manual says: "Up to 4 of the same type of MIDI data (one of the following - Note On/Off, Control Change, Program Change) can be simultaneously transmitted over several MIDI channels." >can you play synth chords with the mfc 10 also? Yes, by sending 4 simultaneous note-on messages. >Does it have an off and on switch? Uhm, yes. (if you mean for turning the unit off and on) >power supply? Included. >is it sturdy? Seems that way, but I wouldn't say it's built like a tank. Remember, I have only had it a month... Sorry about the borderline topic, but I really had a hard time finding detailed information about this thing considering the Yamaha spec page was pretty much useless. If you folks have other questions, I would gladly answer them off the list. Thanks, Travis. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Mar 24 17:21:10 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA13271; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 17:21:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 17:21:10 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000324171940.007b7b20@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 17:19:40 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Zevon gear In-Reply-To: <200003242103.NAA03310@hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/enriched; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"30ylY2.0.r83.bc-su"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13117 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Jam Men. I just found this on a Zevon fan site. I'm not sure how current it is: Times New RomanFor the technically inclined. Warren sings through Shure Beta-58 mics, and his piano is miced with either a pair of AKG 414s (Dr. Babyhead's preference), or if they are not available, a combination of 2 transducers, a Sennheiser 421 on the bass strings, and a pair of AT N-DYMs on the top. 414s are too fragile to carry around all the time. Warren plays Gibson guitars. A spruce top 12 string (2 of em), and a black six string. Both have, I believe, LL Baggs transducers. These go into a pedalboard consisting of Boss Flanger, Compressor, and (I believe) Overdrive pedals, a Digitech Whammy II pedal, and 2 Lexicon Jam Man's. Dr. Babyhead plays flute and alto saxophone. Pianos are usually Steinway grands. At 01:03 PM 3/24/00 -0800, you wrote: >Also semi-OT-On the Warren Zevon solo tour he is looping his acoustic >guit-anybody know what he is using 2 live loop with??...GOIN'LOOPY...STANNER From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Mar 24 19:47:40 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA11959; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 19:47:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 19:47:40 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38DC09C2.6928D6C3@pop.agri.ch> Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2000 01:35:15 +0100 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Jes=FAs=20Turi=F1o?= Reply-To: j-turino@pop.agri.ch Organization: i45 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [de] (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: de,es MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" , "Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Subject: Re: Looper realbook 3 out!!! (was looper tablature) References: <002c01bf95ef$1a16fde0$2f7879a5@cliff> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by rosy.yourwebhost.com id TAA09708 Resent-Message-ID: <"M0rRA.0.yN2.Hf0tu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13119 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hello The expensive zip-memory extension of the JamMan got a better oscillation ... this may sound strange, but the songs of P. Keaggy have a lot of tritonuses, which used with distortion sounds much better with a Jamman. Jesús Turińo _______________________________________ Looper Songbooks Europe General Manager phone +41 41 761'26'42 fax +41 41 761'33'91 ;-)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))) > Interesting- maybe you could elaborate as to why you feel the JamMan sounds > better? You gave no details- > > curious- > > Cliff > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jesús Turińo > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Date: Friday, March 24, 2000 2:26 PM > Subject: Looper realbook 3 out!!! (was looper tablature) > > >Hello Bob, Hello Dough > > > >Looper Songbooks Europe just published the new looper realbook 3 and it > >contains 6 songs of P. Keaggy. I was always a big Keaggy-Fan ... first I > played > >all his songs with my EDP, but the songs didn't really "breathe & flow", > the > >carpet was very thin ... so I sold my EDP to buy a better JamMan and now > the > >songs sound much better. > > > >I'm absolutely shure, the JamMan is much better to play Phil Keaggy songs > ... > >5 minutes ago I went to my sisters room and played with her EDP the two > songs > >"slo-motion slam" and "three headed mind polution" (P. Keaggy) and it > sounds > >terrible. > > > >Bob, someone gave you a bad advice ... sell the EDP and buy a JamMan. > Normally > >I don't sell loop-stuff, but now I have 7 JamMan on stock. If you want one, > I > >could take the EDP as a trade in and it would cost you about $250-300 ... > >shipping included! > > > >Jesús Turińo > >_______________________________________ > >Looper Songbooks Europe > >General Manager > >phone +41 41 761'26'42 > >fax +41 41 761'33'91 > > > > > >Doug Miller schrieb: > > > >> I have a book of instrumental acoustic guitar music that has some great > >> loops used in many of the songs. It is by Phil Keaggy and is all of the > >> songs on his Acoustic Sketches CD. It is available from John August > Music, > >> 1-800-664-8482, 3545 Jeannine Dr., Suite 208, Colorado Springs, CO 80917. > It > >> sould be around $20. > >> > >> Phil uses a JamMan, but I'm certain that the EDP will be even better on > >> these tunes! > >> > >> Enjoy! > >> > >> ______________________________________ > >> Doug "I wish I had a EDP" Miller > >> http://home.columbus.rr.com/dougmiller > >> > >> > I have just purchased my first echoplex digital pro and I was wondering > if > >> > anybody could help me find some guitar tablature for pieces of music > that > >> > could really highlight the EDP. I would really appreciate any help you > >> > could give -Bob > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Mar 24 20:14:07 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA17746; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 20:14:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 20:14:07 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Sender: r_t_cummings@compuserve.com Message-ID: <38DBEFD0.38519F00@compuserve.com> Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 23:44:32 +0100 From: Cummings X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [de] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Meadowlark Lemon Trio/Quartet References: <3.0.6.32.20000321002849.00b10e00@pop-server> <3.0.6.32.20000323205641.00b1cd70@pop-server> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"t92XJ3.0.VH4.C91tu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13120 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com what are you guys talking about? stop sending me shit! i'm very confused by your post. pvallad1 wrote: > John's stated favorite trumpet player is not Miles, but Dave > Douglas, who sounds quite different. > > Have I confused you enough? :) > > Paolo RIGHT! seriously though, dave douglas plays the horn outta his brass. i really dug his "sanctuary" album which even sorta had GNIPOOL on it. what's gnipool? that's our cipot of course, right niloC? anyway, i need rest ... re8lt, bor(ing) me From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Mar 24 22:20:28 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA13883; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 22:20:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 22:20:28 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <014e01bf9609$3aedd380$3e4fdfc8@doutor> From: "Julio Moreno" To: References: <02e301bf9475$30330e00$b550dfc8@doutor> <38DA4924.9D25671F@quik.com> Subject: "Loop" interacting and ''standard minimal set of phisical skills'' ... Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 20:20:10 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.3825.400 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.3825.400 Resent-Message-ID: <"IO3Oi2.0.J63.7z2tu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13121 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rev. Doubt-Goat" To: Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2000 1:41 PM Subject: Re: "Loop" interacting with the rest of the music. > 93 > > Julio Moreno wrote: > > > > I post this some days ago...i think was an important topic ...No coments ??? > > The questions is: > > How you can ''construct'' a groovy loop if you don't know to play your > > instrument with swing ??? I speaking about ''construct'' playing , not > > programing/sampling etcetc ... > > Hmmmm, if I understand you correctly here, you're asking how one can > create good loops without being a good musician. > > Well, looping is often approached from a different angle than standard > playing technique, and as such, often lends itself well to the "naive" > musician. A minimal set of physical skills is all that is necessary. > Music is in the "ears," not the "hands." Ok ....i understand this...and i think it's very important to use the machines as ''tools'' for improve creation and expand our ''minds'' : ) ...but i tryin to say something like this: i can loop a patern of the James Brown's song ''Sex Machine" guitar riff in my machine to jam with or etcetc ...but i know ''how to'' and ''can'' play it for long very ''tigth'' with a drumer and a bassist grooving ... i think this is very important for my ''standard minimal set of phisical skills'' ... and really : i'm not definetely a ''virtuoso'' ... : ) obviously i'm not triyng to say that everybody must play with this '' standard minimal set of phisical skills'' ... Music must be FUN , loop must be FUN , and everybody can play/loop and ENJOY freely ...This machines are there for pleasure and joy. I'm sure the people who project them, think first on this item. But i think a serious (not necessarily ''profesional''...) musician must be ready to play with a minimum amount of accuracy. And of course , my machine helps me a lot to play better and practise in a very funny way. Good health ! julio From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Mar 24 22:26:44 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA15310; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 22:26:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 22:26:44 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: klaw@pop.iglou.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <38DC09C2.6928D6C3@pop.agri.ch> References: <002c01bf95ef$1a16fde0$2f7879a5@cliff> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Keenan Lawler Subject: Re: Looper realbook 3 out!!! (was looper tablature) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 22:23:10 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by rosy.yourwebhost.com id WAA14131 Resent-Message-ID: <"mwblm3.0.3T3.a43tu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13122 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Ok normally im content to sit back & not get involved with something like this -not that ive seen anything quite like this mind you but after seeing Tom Verlaine's Jazzmaster approaching $11k on ebay ,i have to say something - All the music in the world sounds better on an EDP except Phill Keaggy 'swhich of course sounds better on a jam man-?(must be those tritones)....please.......... now we have someone offering to trade a jm(7 in stock ) in addition to a fee of $300 including shipping - absurd somebody else PLEASE say something here before this guy gets RIPPED OFF ! concerned & not amused K.L. Hello > >The expensive zip-memory extension of the JamMan got a better oscillation ... >this may sound strange, but the songs of P. Keaggy have a lot of tritonuses, >which used with distortion sounds much better with a Jamman. > >Jesús Turińo >_______________________________________ >Looper Songbooks Europe >General Manager >phone +41 41 761'26'42 >fax +41 41 761'33'91 > >;-)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))) > >> Interesting- maybe you could elaborate as to why you feel the JamMan sounds >> better? You gave no details- >> >> curious- >> >> Cliff >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Jesús Turińo >> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >> Date: Friday, March 24, 2000 2:26 PM >> Subject: Looper realbook 3 out!!! (was looper tablature) >> >> >Hello Bob, Hello Dough >> > >> >Looper Songbooks Europe just published the new looper realbook 3 and it >> >contains 6 songs of P. Keaggy. I was always a big Keaggy-Fan ... first I >> played >> >all his songs with my EDP, but the songs didn't really "breathe & flow", >> the >> >carpet was very thin ... so I sold my EDP to buy a better JamMan and now >> the >> >songs sound much better. >> > >> >I'm absolutely shure, the JamMan is much better to play Phil Keaggy songs >> ... >> >5 minutes ago I went to my sisters room and played with her EDP the two >> songs >> >"slo-motion slam" and "three headed mind polution" (P. Keaggy) and it >> sounds >> >terrible. >> > >> >Bob, someone gave you a bad advice ... sell the EDP and buy a JamMan. >> Normally >> >I don't sell loop-stuff, but now I have 7 JamMan on stock. If you want one, >> I >> >could take the EDP as a trade in and it would cost you about $250-300 ... >> >shipping included! >> > >> >Jesús Turińo >> >_______________________________________ >> >Looper Songbooks Europe >> >General Manager >> >phone +41 41 761'26'42 >> >fax +41 41 761'33'91 >> > >> > >> >Doug Miller schrieb: >> > >> >> I have a book of instrumental acoustic guitar music that has some great >> >> loops used in many of the songs. It is by Phil Keaggy and is all of the >> >> songs on his Acoustic Sketches CD. It is available from John August >> Music, >> >> 1-800-664-8482, 3545 Jeannine Dr., Suite 208, Colorado Springs, CO 80917. >> It >> >> sould be around $20. >> >> >> >> Phil uses a JamMan, but I'm certain that the EDP will be even better on >> >> these tunes! >> >> >> >> Enjoy! >> >> >> >> ______________________________________ >> >> Doug "I wish I had a EDP" Miller >> >> http://home.columbus.rr.com/dougmiller >> >> >> >> > I have just purchased my first echoplex digital pro and I was wondering >> if >> >> > anybody could help me find some guitar tablature for pieces of music >> that >> >> > could really highlight the EDP. I would really appreciate any help you >> >> > could give -Bob >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Mar 25 00:01:01 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA05507; Sat, 25 Mar 2000 00:01:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2000 00:01:01 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000325044320.11260.qmail@web115.yahoomail.com> Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 20:43:20 -0800 (PST) From: John Tidwell Subject: Re: Digitech PMC-10 >> Yamaha MFC10 >> Big Briar To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"rYVuy1.0.HN.kF4tu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13123 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I wonder what happens if you hook one of these to the expression pedal inputs........ http://www.bigbriar.com/mfCP251.htm When I grow up, I want to be a test monkey for the music equipment industry. I would say that I already am one, but no one from Roland, Gibson, etc, has ever come by to feed me or clean my cage. John --- Travis Weller wrote: > >>The main thing that drew me to the MFC-10 is it's > support of up to 4 > >>external expression pedals in addition to the one > built in. > ===== John Tidwell __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Mar 25 00:02:29 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA05729; Sat, 25 Mar 2000 00:02:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2000 00:02:29 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 23:58:01 -0500 Subject: Re: Looper realbook 3 out!!! (was looper tablature) From: Doug Miller To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"vt7Fy.0.b-.NQ4tu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13124 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I'm just a wannabe looper so maybe I don't know of which I speak (or type) but it seems to me, that a loop is a loop. If the EDP is capturing a good full range of sound, how could it be less than the JamMan, especially since the EDP can capture a much longer loop than the JM? ______________________________________ Doug Miller http://home.columbus.rr.com/dougmiller > Ok normally im content to sit back & not get involved with something > like this -not that ive seen anything quite like this mind you but after > seeing Tom Verlaine's Jazzmaster approaching $11k on ebay ,i have to say > something - > All the music in the world sounds better on an EDP except Phill Keaggy > 'swhich of course sounds better on a jam man-?(must be those > tritones)....please.......... > > now we have someone offering to trade a jm(7 in stock ) in addition to a > fee of $300 > including shipping - absurd > > > somebody else PLEASE say something here before this guy gets RIPPED OFF ! From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Mar 25 00:51:21 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA21161; Sat, 25 Mar 2000 00:51:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2000 00:51:21 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000325053434.11111.qmail@web113.yahoomail.com> Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 21:34:34 -0800 (PST) From: John Tidwell Subject: Re: Looper realbook 3 out!!! (was looper tablature) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"GyVOW3.0.dB4.j_4tu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13125 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Don't worry. I expect Kim will rip him a new a**hole before too long. --- Keenan Lawler wrote: > tritones)....please.......... > > now we have someone offering to trade a jm(7 in > stock ) in addition to a > fee of $300 > including shipping - absurd > > > somebody else PLEASE say something here before this > guy gets RIPPED OFF ! > > > concerned & not amused K.L. ===== John Tidwell __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Mar 25 01:37:07 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA31983; Sat, 25 Mar 2000 01:37:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2000 01:37:07 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2000 00:35:41 -0600 Subject: Re: Looper realbook 3 out!!! (was looper tablature) From: Ted Forbes To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by rosy.yourwebhost.com id BAA29304 Resent-Message-ID: <"uHgz-.0.7A7.ij5tu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13126 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > full range of sound, how could it be less than the JamMan, especially since > the EDP can capture a much longer loop than the JM? Sounds like Jesús has too many JamMen and wants to make money purchasing an EDP. > 5 minutes ago I went to my sisters room and played with her EDP I think these people need a job. I had little time today for playing Keagy tunes into different delay units and analyzing how the tri-tones compare. hmmmm..... From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Mar 25 01:58:28 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA05400; Sat, 25 Mar 2000 01:58:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2000 01:58:28 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: klaw@pop.iglou.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20000325053434.11111.qmail@web113.yahoomail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Keenan Lawler Subject: Re: Looper realbook 3 out!!! (was looper tablature) Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2000 01:42:11 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: <"8FQXy.0.YH.Z_5tu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13127 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >oh yeah -well ,im counting on that - Don't worry. I expect Kim will rip him a new a**hole >before too long. > > >--- Keenan Lawler wrote: > >> tritones)....please.......... >> >> now we have someone offering to trade a jm(7 in >> stock ) in addition to a >> fee of $300 >> including shipping - absurd >> >> >> somebody else PLEASE say something here before this >> guy gets RIPPED OFF ! >> >> >> concerned & not amused K.L. > > >===== >John Tidwell > > > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. >http://im.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Mar 25 03:28:34 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA25982; Sat, 25 Mar 2000 03:28:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2000 03:28:34 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 23:56:33 -0800 From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Looper realbook 3 out!!! (was looper tablature) In-reply-to: <20000325053434.11111.qmail@web113.yahoomail.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by rosy.yourwebhost.com id CAA19432 Resent-Message-ID: <"46-XM1.0.sl4.t67tu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13128 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com sheesh, Jesús was making a joke. (ok, maybe not a very good one..:-) I swear you guys have no sense of humor at all. I'm not sure, but my theory is some of you are listening to too much of that Fripp guy. ;-) kim p.s., I have four vintage 256k simms I pulled from a Mac Plus in 1986, they sound awesome in the echoplex! Distorted tritones have have a certain airy quality, with hints of chocolate, glen livet, and marshmallow, with a long spicy finish not unlike a habanero hamburger. DRAM today is all made in Taiwan and Korea, and it just doesn't sound the same as the old American stuff! You need this! and I desperately need to buy a new porsche, so I'm prepared to let these go for just $15k + shipping! (I think that will cover the down payment.) thanks! >Don't worry. I expect Kim will rip him a new a**hole >before too long. > > >--- Keenan Lawler wrote: > >> tritones)....please.......... >> >> now we have someone offering to trade a jm(7 in >> stock ) in addition to a >> fee of $300 >> including shipping - absurd >> >> >> somebody else PLEASE say something here before this >> guy gets RIPPED OFF ! >> >> >> concerned & not amused K.L. > > >===== >John Tidwell > > > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. >http://im.yahoo.com ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Mar 25 04:31:15 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA07965; Sat, 25 Mar 2000 04:31:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2000 04:31:15 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000325092649.28086.qmail@web115.yahoomail.com> Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2000 01:26:49 -0800 (PST) From: John Tidwell Subject: Re: Looper realbook 3 out!!! (was looper tablature) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"IBI1x3.0.bg1.VP8tu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13129 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I shoulda known! You damn yankees & euro-peons are always shucking us country boys liken we was Monica's underwear! Gotta go. Maw wants to lay down a Conway Twitty groove on her echoplex & I gots to jumper it to the John Deere battree. :) John --- Kim Flint wrote: > sheesh, Jesús was making a joke. (ok, maybe not a > very good one..:-) I > swear you guys have no sense of humor at all. I'm > not sure, but my theory > is some of you are listening to too much of that > Fripp guy. > > ;-) > kim ===== John Tidwell __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Mar 25 04:55:16 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA12791; Sat, 25 Mar 2000 04:55:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2000 04:55:16 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Dcaplivs@aol.com Message-ID: <15.231730a.260de2cb@aol.com> Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2000 04:37:15 EST Subject: Looping Gigs To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 101 Resent-Message-ID: <"m06bu3.0.iF2.mZ8tu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13130 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Can someone comment on looping gigs? What kind of gigs are out there? Any gigs in South Florida? What's your setup? I use two Roland SP-202, a DJ mixer, and live instruments looped from the aux sends of a sound board. As well as two humans. (As if I'm not human;) From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Mar 25 06:45:14 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA05920; Sat, 25 Mar 2000 06:45:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2000 06:45:14 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38DCA5A1.55526562@pop.agri.ch> Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2000 12:40:17 +0100 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Jes=FAs=20Turi=F1o?= Reply-To: j-turino@pop.agri.ch Organization: i45 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [de] (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: de,es MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Humor (was: Looper realbook 3 out!!! (was looper tablature) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by rosy.yourwebhost.com id GAA04893 Resent-Message-ID: <"3E76_1.0.kC1._OAtu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13131 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi What a mess on the other side of the atlantic while I was sleeping. ;-) Kim words are my words ... or as Zappa says ... "does humor belong to music?". I have one (in numbers: 1) JamMan ... no money ... and still waiting (... 2 years!!!!) for my EDP. And there is no Looper Songbooks Europe! LOL, Jesús > sheesh, Jesús was making a joke. (ok, maybe not a very good one..:-) I > swear you guys have no sense of humor at all. I'm not sure, but my theory > is some of you are listening to too much of that Fripp guy. > > ;-) > kim > > p.s., I have four vintage 256k simms I pulled from a Mac Plus in 1986, they > sound awesome in the echoplex! Distorted tritones have have a certain airy > quality, with hints of chocolate, glen livet, and marshmallow, with a long > spicy finish not unlike a habanero hamburger. DRAM today is all made in > Taiwan and Korea, and it just doesn't sound the same as the old American > stuff! You need this! and I desperately need to buy a new porsche, so I'm > prepared to let these go for just $15k + shipping! (I think that will cover > the down payment.) thanks! > > >Don't worry. I expect Kim will rip him a new a**hole > >before too long. > > > > > >--- Keenan Lawler wrote: > > > >> tritones)....please.......... > >> > >> now we have someone offering to trade a jm(7 in > >> stock ) in addition to a > >> fee of $300 > >> including shipping - absurd > >> > >> > >> somebody else PLEASE say something here before this > >> guy gets RIPPED OFF ! > >> > >> > >> concerned & not amused K.L. > > > > > >===== > >John Tidwell > > > > > > > > > >__________________________________________________ > >Do You Yahoo!? > >Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. > >http://im.yahoo.com > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html > http://www.annihilist.com/ | From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Mar 25 07:55:35 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA21307; Sat, 25 Mar 2000 07:55:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2000 07:55:35 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <002801bf9658$c972dde0$b8425b80@upenn.edu> From: "David Petrozzi" To: Subject: Bad news Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2000 07:51:06 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0025_01BF962E.E0414860" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"Owh1Q1.0.Bv4.HPBtu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13132 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0025_01BF962E.E0414860 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Horrible news. We were psyched, had an unbelievable day of practice, = and then the organizers told us our show tonight has been cancelled due = to a conflict in performing space. That is, there is no space available = on campus for the show to be held. Yuk. I think the administration was a little down on the psychedelics of the = whole Gate to Moonbase thing. They tell us we'll probably be playing in = May after they have resolved this issue. They say things like "Sorry = for the inconvenience." =20 I think we should just find somewhere to play anyway.... sorry for the inconvenience, ~dp ------=_NextPart_000_0025_01BF962E.E0414860 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Horrible news.  We were psyched, had an unbelievable day of = practice,=20 and then the organizers told us our show tonight has been cancelled = due to=20 a conflict in performing space.  That is, there is no space = available on=20 campus for the show to be held.  Yuk.
 
I think the administration was a little down on the psychedelics of = the=20 whole Gate to Moonbase thing.  They tell us we'll probably be = playing in=20 May after they have resolved this issue.  They say things like = "Sorry for=20 the inconvenience." 
 
I think we should just find somewhere to play anyway....
 
sorry for the inconvenience,
~dp
 
------=_NextPart_000_0025_01BF962E.E0414860-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Mar 25 08:38:28 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA30643; Sat, 25 Mar 2000 08:38:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2000 08:38:28 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <008901bf965d$29bf6fc0$5a7cb2d0@computer> From: "Petr Dolak" To: Subject: GM 400 and GM 1000 Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2000 08:22:16 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0086_01BF9633.3AB98B00" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"I905M.0.gc6.-qBtu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13133 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0086_01BF9633.3AB98B00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Is there anybody out there who owns or has some knowledge of Oberheim GM = 400 and GM 1000? pepetr@crnet.net ------=_NextPart_000_0086_01BF9633.3AB98B00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Is there anybody out there who = owns or has=20 some knowledge of Oberheim GM 400 and GM 1000?
 
pepetr@crnet.net
= ------=_NextPart_000_0086_01BF9633.3AB98B00-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Mar 25 09:58:17 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA16707; Sat, 25 Mar 2000 09:58:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2000 09:58:17 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000325145141.6929.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [165.227.130.177] From: "David Potter" To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Subject: Fwd: EV5 pedal not working with DL4... Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2000 06:51:41 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"DqHbk1.0.rX3.TADtu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13134 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >From: "David Potter" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com >Subject: EV5 pedal not working with DL4... >Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 05:43:13 PST > >Yo loopheads...I'd heard that the EV5 pedal works fine with the line 6 DL4 >but it doesn't seem like it's doing all the stuff it's suppose to do. Does >the line 6 expression pedal for the DL4 do things that the EV5 won't? I >want to mine all the gold!!! Om and Out Papa Dave > >PS 2 extra large T's BTW >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Mar 25 10:23:19 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA22032; Sat, 25 Mar 2000 10:23:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2000 10:23:19 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: klaw@pop.iglou.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <20000325053434.11111.qmail@web113.yahoomail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Keenan Lawler Subject: Re: Looper realbook 3 out!!! (was looper tablature) Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2000 10:19:11 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by rosy.yourwebhost.com id KAA21704 Resent-Message-ID: <"icNnH2.0.MJ5.HaDtu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13135 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >oh -yeah i knew that !.....yeah ---now about that Verlaine guitar .. sheesh, Jesús was making a joke. (ok, maybe not a very good one..:-) I >swear you guys have no sense of humor at all. I'm not sure, but my theory >is some of you are listening to too much of that Fripp guy. > >;-) >kim > >p.s., I have four vintage 256k simms I pulled from a Mac Plus in 1986, they >sound awesome in the echoplex! Distorted tritones have have a certain airy >quality, with hints of chocolate, glen livet, and marshmallow, with a long >spicy finish not unlike a habanero hamburger. DRAM today is all made in >Taiwan and Korea, and it just doesn't sound the same as the old American >stuff! You need this! and I desperately need to buy a new porsche, so I'm >prepared to let these go for just $15k + shipping! (I think that will cover >the down payment.) thanks! > >>Don't worry. I expect Kim will rip him a new a**hole >>before too long. >> >> >>--- Keenan Lawler wrote: >> >>> tritones)....please.......... >>> >>> now we have someone offering to trade a jm(7 in >>> stock ) in addition to a >>> fee of $300 >>> including shipping - absurd >>> >>> >>> somebody else PLEASE say something here before this >>> guy gets RIPPED OFF ! >>> >>> >>> concerned & not amused K.L. >> >> >>===== >>John Tidwell >> >> >> >> >>__________________________________________________ >>Do You Yahoo!? >>Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. >>http://im.yahoo.com > > >______________________________________________________________________ >Kim Flint | Looper's Delight >kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html >http://www.annihilist.com/ | From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Mar 25 14:06:13 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA07781; Sat, 25 Mar 2000 14:06:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2000 14:06:13 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38DD0CDA.ADD7D0BB@inreach.com> Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2000 11:00:43 -0800 From: eric X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Napster Fiend References: <20000325145141.6929.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"jn2s21.0.Yb1.jpGtu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13136 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I got Napster (actually Macster) one week ago and I am already addicted. The problem I'm having now is knowing what to look for - since you can only search by artist or song name. I've taken to going to record stores with a notebook and writing down names to find online. Anybody know if there is someplace to go where you can search a database of what's "out there" via genre? and also somehow separate the wheat from the chaff - maybe with reviews or discriptive blurbs? That would make it all SO much easier... Mucho Obligato, (Mister Robato) eobe From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Mar 25 14:25:28 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA12614; Sat, 25 Mar 2000 14:25:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2000 14:25:28 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mailer: Macintosh Eudora Pro Version 4.0.1Jr1 Message-Id: Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 04:15:16 +0900 To: user-forum@waldorf-gmbh.de, Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, symsound@SymbolicSound.com From: Sunao Inami Subject: GMEM Resent-Message-ID: <"AaAFL.0.uT2.j2Htu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13137 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi, We did workshop and live gig at GMEM,Marseille France. I made web site of pictures at GMEM. I took pictures by iBook with USB CCD camera. http://www.cavestudio.org/AK/2000/ GMEM official website is here. http://www.gmem.org Sunao Inami http://www.cavestudio.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Mar 25 14:24:26 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA12527; Sat, 25 Mar 2000 14:24:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2000 14:24:26 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <001d01bf968f$029e9420$40348218@we.mediaone.net> From: "Om_Audio" To: References: Subject: Re: Looper realbook 3 out!!! (was looper tablature) Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2000 11:19:15 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"SxMR-3.0.lj2.h4Htu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13138 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I'll take them!!! hold them for me please- I just need to put a nice skirt on and spend a few weeks on the corner of LaBrea and Santa Monica Blvd and I'll make the money in no time- although I'll need medical attention I'm sure- and it won't be from Kim ripping a new a**hole- ;) Cliff > p.s., I have four vintage 256k simms I pulled from a Mac Plus in 1986, they > sound awesome in the echoplex! Distorted tritones have have a certain airy > quality, with hints of chocolate, glen livet, and marshmallow, with a long > spicy finish not unlike a habanero hamburger. DRAM today is all made in > Taiwan and Korea, and it just doesn't sound the same as the old American > stuff! You need this! and I desperately need to buy a new porsche, so I'm > prepared to let these go for just $15k + shipping! (I think that will cover > the down payment.) thanks! > > >Don't worry. I expect Kim will rip him a new a**hole > >before too long. > > > > > >--- Keenan Lawler wrote: > > > >> tritones)....please.......... > >> > >> now we have someone offering to trade a jm(7 in > >> stock ) in addition to a > >> fee of $300 > >> including shipping - absurd > >> > >> > >> somebody else PLEASE say something here before this > >> guy gets RIPPED OFF ! > >> > >> > >> concerned & not amused K.L. > > > > > >===== > >John Tidwell > > > > > > > > > >__________________________________________________ > >Do You Yahoo!? > >Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. > >http://im.yahoo.com > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html > http://www.annihilist.com/ | > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Mar 25 21:44:38 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA10001; Sat, 25 Mar 2000 21:44:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2000 21:44:38 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38DD7942.DCF90F4@home.com> Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2000 18:43:14 -0800 From: Neil Goldstein Organization: @Home Network X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en]C-AtHome0407 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "vg-8@egroups.com" , "Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" , VS880 list Subject: Godin ACS Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"tgVs02.0.eA2.5ZNtu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13139 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I recently scored a Godin ACS classical solidbody via Ebay and I love this axe. I'm using it to control a VG8 and GR-30 with the US20 switch pedal. I have a couple of questions hoping someone has an ACS and would be willing to help. 1. I didn't get a manual. What does the two way switch do? I understand the sliders and the S1 and S2... 2. I have only used the hex output, so I don't know what range of sounds the direct out has compared to the hex. Any comments? 3. I notice when triggering external synths, I often get notes 1/2 step flat even though the guitar in (as close as possible) perfect tune. I have checked sequencer and synth settings, but this still happens at illogical times. Anyone experienced this or better yet have some 'solution'? Thanks in advance for any feedback. Neil From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Mar 26 00:26:00 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA19788; Sun, 26 Mar 2000 00:26:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 00:26:00 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 00:24:39 -0500 Subject: Re: Godin ACS From: Doug Miller To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <38DD7942.DCF90F4@home.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"OHNtc2.0.pT4.QvPtu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13140 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I've had an ACS for about 2 years. Love it! 1. The switch controls a frequency cutoff, that as far as I can tell on my guitar has no effect whatsoever. 2. Guitar sounds exactly the same thru both outputs. 3. I've never triggered an external synth, just the GR-30, but I've always been under the impression that using an external synth would not be responsive in both tracking and pitch as the internal non-midi triggered voices of the GR-30. ______________________________________ Doug Miller http://home.columbus.rr.com/dougmiller > 1. I didn't get a manual. What does the two way switch do? I understand > the sliders and the S1 and S2... > > 2. I have only used the hex output, so I don't know what range of sounds > the direct out has compared to the hex. Any comments? > > 3. I notice when triggering external synths, I often get notes 1/2 step > flat even though the guitar in (as close as possible) perfect tune. I > have checked sequencer and synth settings, but this still happens at > illogical times. Anyone experienced this or better yet have some > 'solution'? From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Mar 26 04:09:12 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA06901; Sun, 26 Mar 2000 04:09:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 04:09:12 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <016c01bf96f8$77d58140$ef88bc3e@default> Reply-To: "Gareth Whittock" From: "Gareth Whittock" To: Subject: Re:Not Torremalinos Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 08:53:33 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Content-Type: text/plain; boundary="----------------------------"; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <"n2ZsA.0.-n5.sBStu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13141 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com LOOPING SHOCK IN SMALL COUNTRY. "AXIS" Live in Chapter Arts Centre, Wales - Ossie special - Next Wednesday 29th,8ish Featured noises - bull roarer,didge, modified hawaiian guitar granular synthesis etc. Using the amazing Audiomulch software. Homage to Australian landscape, (as seen on TV since neither myself nor Neil have been further south than Torremalinos). Gareth From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Mar 26 06:37:29 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA05200; Sun, 26 Mar 2000 06:37:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 06:37:29 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <000b01bf9712$a7c6eaa0$759cb8d4@oemcomputer> From: L.Angulo@t-online.de (Luis Angulo) To: References: <6353B404BE7DD311A4F70090279CCEE36D8DCD@cof110exch007u.dr.lucent.com> Subject: Hunting for a good Workstation Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 13:00:34 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Sender: 320086123907-0001@t-dialin.net Resent-Message-ID: <"GYK2D1.0.g37.lmUtu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13142 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hello out there, I am still hunting for a good workstation with good sounds, drums and sequencer sample looping capabilities.I am new to the world of synths and workstations and i don´t want to ask sales people any more because they confuse me even more.The korg trinity series, and the Roland XPseries have been often mentioned. I am often asked are you looking for a rack module or keyboard, oh god, which one then?Is anyone well acqainted with both of this or others good enough to take me out of the fog a bit? My purpose: A good tool for composition with modern sounds user friendly and live capable, that´s all! From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Mar 26 07:09:53 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA12313; Sun, 26 Mar 2000 07:09:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 07:09:53 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Apparently-From: Reply-To: From: "Javier Miranda V." To: Subject: RE: Napster Fiend Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 04:06:37 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <38DD0CDA.ADD7D0BB@inreach.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <"FJlDi1.0.Dy2.rrVtu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13143 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I'm an addict too. Search for "discography" on the Web; check out Rolling Stone, or any other music magazine-- they all have databases for lots of artists. As far as MP3 quality, look for higher sampling rates and estimates of song times. There are lots of sudden cut-offs. I've even gotten some MP3s that have been altered in pitch, and sound very bad, even though their sampling rate is high. Not all 128-Kbps MP3s are good. Usually the 160s are good. 192s are very good. As far as music you've never heard, you gotta give it a try. Check out also music reviews at www.deja.com and www.amazon.com . Let me know how it pans out. A mate in Napsterism, Javier | -----Original Message----- | From: eric [mailto:eobertha@inreach.com] | Sent: Saturday 25 March 2000 11:01 AM | To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com | Subject: Napster Fiend | | | I got Napster (actually Macster) one week ago and I am already | addicted. The problem I'm having now is knowing what to look for - | since you can only search by artist or song name. I've taken to going | to record stores with a notebook and writing down names to find online. | | Anybody know if there is someplace to go where you can search a database | of what's "out there" via genre? and also somehow separate the wheat | from the chaff - maybe with reviews or discriptive blurbs? | | That would make it all SO much easier... | | Mucho Obligato, (Mister Robato) | | eobe | __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Mar 26 10:35:01 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA26136; Sun, 26 Mar 2000 10:35:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 10:35:01 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <000801a8f3eb$1d1815e0$17acbdcf@govinda> From: "Marc Roche" To: References: <6353B404BE7DD311A4F70090279CCEE36D8DCD@cof110exch007u.dr.lucent.com> <000b01bf9712$a7c6eaa0$759cb8d4@oemcomputer> Subject: Re: Hunting for a good Workstation Date: Wed, 16 Jan 1980 07:28:40 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Resent-Message-ID: <"odv2K1.0.B76.RqYtu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13144 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com hi luis I'm a guitarist who is into looping. I haven't bought a keyboard synth for more than ten years....I'm buying a Korg Triton Pro X workstation ($2908). Check them out.. ----- Original Message ----- From: Luis Angulo To: Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2000 3:00 AM Subject: Hunting for a good Workstation > Hello out there, > I am still hunting for a good workstation with good sounds, drums and > sequencer sample looping capabilities.I am new to the world of synths and > workstations and i don´t want to ask sales people any more because they > confuse me even more.The korg trinity series, and the Roland XPseries have > been often mentioned. I am often asked are you looking for a rack module or > keyboard, oh god, which one then?Is anyone well acqainted with both of this > or others good enough to take me out of the fog a bit? My purpose: A good > tool for composition with modern sounds user friendly and live capable, > that´s all! > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Mar 26 11:43:46 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA07729; Sun, 26 Mar 2000 11:43:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 11:43:46 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <030c01bf973d$385a3b60$44f993cd@-> From: "Bill Fox" To: "Illfusion" , Subject: Re: EMUSIC Playlist Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 11:06:16 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"8pzkq1.0.yh7.8HZtu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13145 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com -----Original Message----- From: Illfusion To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Sunday, February 27, 2000 9:48 PM Subject: Re: EMUSIC Playlist >whats that pseuo budda??? i'm new in this whole web thing thing , or >e-mailing list. i'm a "looper" so to speak but what you guys are talking >about is really got me scratching my noggin...no disrespecting i'm really >glad i did whatever it is i did to get you guys e-mailing me all these tips >and stupp and the whole torn vs fripp thing, well thats a whole different >story. what pseuba are you talking about though?? >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Bobdog/Doghouse Audio Laboratory" >To: >Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2000 5:54 AM >Subject: Re: EMUSIC Playlist > >> hey all - >> >> i'm very happy to see that pseudo buddha (featuring 3 l.d. listgeeks) >> got played on bill fox's emusic. hooray hooray... >> >> bobdog Pseudo Buddha is a group featuring members of this mailing list. Please check out the playlists at my web site for 12-16-99 and 2-24-00. I'm so behind in email, only now am I seeing the Ben Neil thread. I saw him at a Gathering in Philadelphia a few years ago. Great show. Bill billfox@fast.net http://wdiyfm.org ============================================================ Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. Email me if you wish to submit music for airplay consideration. Visit http://www.crosswinds.net/~shadowplay for the ShadowPlay site. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Mar 26 12:07:27 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA12301; Sun, 26 Mar 2000 12:07:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 12:07:27 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <095c01bf9746$05b95480$44f993cd@-> From: "Bill Fox" To: Subject: EMUSIC Playlist Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 12:08:58 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"6zKp5.0.0z2.pCatu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13146 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com [Best viewd with a fixed spacing font.] EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ. Show #157 March 23, 2000. On this show, I continued the month-long focus on the seventh annual Alfa Centauri music festival in Huizen, The Netherlands. Tonight's Feature CD at Midnight was Ocean Drive by Pyramid Peak on the Invisible Shadows label. ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== 11:04 pm Wendy Carlos Brandenburg Concerto #4 S-O Boxed Set Highlights ++ in G Minor - Presto (East Side Digital) Djam Karet No Safe Place Suspension & Displacement (Cuneiform) Paul Nagle Non-Virtual CyberDiver (Neu Harmony) Paul Nagle Mr. Rigby's Distant Girlfriend CyberDiver (Neu Harmony) Vidna Obmana Lamentation The Surreal Sanctuary (Hypnos) Vidna Obmana & Opening Theme True Stories (Mirage) Jeff Pearce Steve Roach In the Heart of Distant Horizons Atmospheric Conditions (Timeroom) Richard Bone Calenture Etherdome (Hypnos) Telomere Descent Astral Currents (Evenfall) ++ Nik Tyndall Trance in Space * Trance in Space (New Eaarth) ++ 12:00 am Pryamid Peak Reflections Ocean Drive (Invisible Shadows) Pryamid Peak Ocean Drive Ocean Drive (Invisible Shadows) Pryamid Peak Dive Ocean Drive (Invisible Shadows) Pryamid Peak Sunrise Ocean Drive (Invisible Shadows) Pryamid Peak Twilight * Ocean Drive (Invisible Shadows) 1:00 am * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) ++ = This CD will be available as a thank you gift during the up coming WDIY Membership Drive only during EMUSIC on April 6, 2000. Also available, the soon to be released Steve Roach CD, "Midnight Moon" on the Projekt label. Limited quantities! On the next EMUSIC, I'll conclude the month-long focus on the seventh annual Alfa Centauri Electronic Music Festival. The feature CD at midnight will be "Kontinuum" by Mind-Flux on the IC/Digit Music GmbH label. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Mar 26 14:17:31 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA06454; Sun, 26 Mar 2000 14:17:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 14:17:31 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <86.1c2365a.260fbb21@aol.com> Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 14:12:33 EST Subject: magi cicada To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 61 Resent-Message-ID: <"sQ7wt.0._I1.85ctu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13147 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com just returned from philly for the great "NO SHOW"........and lo and behold chris whites "magi cicada" cd has arrived.......i am listening to it now, most wonderful!.........and the cover art is very very nice........thank you much.........mk From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Mar 26 15:24:45 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA21379; Sun, 26 Mar 2000 15:24:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 15:24:45 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <002101bf9760$c0628580$b8425b80@upenn.edu> From: "David Petrozzi" To: References: <86.1c2365a.260fbb21@aol.com> Subject: Re: magi cicada Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 15:20:38 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"LSTrm2.0.3y4.l4dtu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13148 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > just returned from philly for the great "NO SHOW" So sorry about this. The organizers tell me there was a big problem with the University and their "psychedelic" program, but since most of them are Jewish and were observing the Sabbath, they couldn't use the telephone or email etc. This created a lot of confusion. I sent an email out yesterday afternoon about the cancellation but it never showed up on the list. I was set to play and my project had been practicing everyday for two weeks, so we were quite disappointed with how everything turned out. The Gate to Moonbase is a wonderful event though, but tension between the school and the organizers seems to have reached a boiling point. Again, sorry if anyone was inconvenienced. regards, ~dp ____________________________ A disciplined mind brings happiness. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Mar 26 17:10:35 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA11179; Sun, 26 Mar 2000 17:10:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 17:10:35 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <200003262205.RAA07163@smtp6.mindspring.com> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 05:01:00 -0400 Subject: Re: magi cicada From: "c.white" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"cVl5U2.0.Qf2.7detu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13149 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com thanks alot..mk.. another one is in production..i have recieved much (good) feedbak on it as of late.. regards, c.white ---------- >From: Nemoguitt@aol.com >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Subject: magi cicada >Date: Sun, Mar 26, 2000, 3:12 PM > >just returned from philly for the great "NO SHOW"........and lo and behold >chris whites "magi cicada" cd has arrived.......i am listening to it now, >most wonderful!.........and the cover art is very very nice........thank you >much.........mk > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Mar 26 17:49:20 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA20050; Sun, 26 Mar 2000 17:49:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 17:49:20 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <200003262207.RAA19124@smtp6.mindspring.com> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 05:02:30 -0400 Subject: Sampler From: "c.white" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"1Gbxy2.0.bg2.Ueetu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13150 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Does anyone have a good looper or sampler for sale..my main looper just died...:< regards, c. ---------- >From: Nemoguitt@aol.com >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Subject: magi cicada >Date: Sun, Mar 26, 2000, 3:12 PM > >just returned from philly for the great "NO SHOW"........and lo and behold >chris whites "magi cicada" cd has arrived.......i am listening to it now, >most wonderful!.........and the cover art is very very nice........thank you >much.........mk > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Mar 26 18:12:18 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA24602; Sun, 26 Mar 2000 18:12:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 18:12:18 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Kriist@aol.com Message-ID: <65.2ae4072.260ff27e@aol.com> Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 18:08:46 EST Subject: moded EDP To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 102 Resent-Message-ID: <"CpstN1.0.Ay5.aYftu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13151 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com has anyone experimented with modifying an EDP? adding a few knobs and switches to the thing, ala bending? im afriad(seeing the shortage)to just start poking around the thing for fear of frying the thing rodrigo From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Mar 26 19:38:52 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA10976; Sun, 26 Mar 2000 19:38:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 19:38:52 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <007801bf9784$6a4d6ec0$5e7cb2d0@computer> From: "Petr Dolak" To: Subject: EDP SwitchQuant problem Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 19:33:56 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0073_01BF975A.39E62C60" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"tlo_y.0.2P2.Oogtu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13152 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0073_01BF975A.39E62C60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable How frustrating. When I try to turn SwitchQuant on, it does not give me = an option On / Off, but Off / CYC / CnF. According to the manual, it = has only functions On / Off. It happens even when I reset EDP. Anybody = knows why? =20 petr pepetr@crnet.net ------=_NextPart_000_0073_01BF975A.39E62C60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
How frustrating.  When I try = to turn=20 SwitchQuant on, it does not give me an option On / Off, but Off / CYC /=20 CnF.  According to the manual, it has only functions On / = Off.  It=20 happens even when I reset EDP.  Anybody knows why?  =
 
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= ------=_NextPart_000_0073_01BF975A.39E62C60-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Mar 26 19:51:01 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA13438; Sun, 26 Mar 2000 19:51:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 19:51:01 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000326194924.007b1440@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 19:49:24 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: modded EDP/bending In-Reply-To: <65.2ae4072.260ff27e@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"1slaj3.0.yD3.t-gtu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13153 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I've got his arm! Someone take the soldering iron! Look out! He's got wire cutters! :-) I wouldn't advise it, as it's software-based. If you screwed up a perfectly good EDP, just think how you'd feel telling the list about it... Circuit bending's generally much more productive on a device with a chip that's deeper than the interface would appear, that is, in order to cut production costs, there are fewer features than the IC supports [e.g. low-end Casios; the SK-1 is the archetypal circuit-bending guinea pig], or in a device which wasn't designed for strictly musical purposes [like a Speak & Spell], but uses a similar chip. This is often because the same chip could be used in several different devices, and it would be cheaper than designing a different one for each model. More sophisticated equipment usually has more features/controls/parameters already occupying those pin-outs, or software that really doesn't like encountering alternate circuit paths, so you'd probably get your most dramatic and rewarding results bending the cheap stuff, and you wouldn't be risking destroying something valuable. Here's a question (albeit with only an implied on-topicality): What kinds of equipment, off-the-wall and otherwise, have you guys had good luck or horror stories bending? Discarded answering machines, talking toys, broken CD players, cheapo keyboards... (Of course, then you'd have to have looped it to stay on topic, but that's the logical progression anyway!) Tim At 06:08 PM 3/26/00 EST, you wrote: >has anyone experimented with modifying an EDP? >adding a few knobs and switches to the thing, ala bending? >im afriad(seeing the shortage)to just start poking around the thing for fear >of frying the thing > >rodrigo From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Mar 26 20:33:27 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA23074; Sun, 26 Mar 2000 20:33:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 20:33:27 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 17:27:14 -0800 From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: EDP SwitchQuant problem In-reply-to: <007801bf9784$6a4d6ec0$5e7cb2d0@computer> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"tlseD2.0.VZ5.zchtu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13154 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 4:33 PM -0800 3/26/00, Petr Dolak wrote: > How frustrating. When I try to turn SwitchQuant on, it does not >give me an option On / Off, but Off / CYC / CnF. According to the >manual, it has only functions On / Off. It happens even when I reset >EDP. Anybody knows why? petr pepetr@crnet.net please read the echoplex FAQ. You will find that one here: http://www.annihilist.com/loop/tools/echoplex/FAQ9.html#Anchor-SwitchQuant-35326 kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Mar 26 20:38:56 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA24666; Sun, 26 Mar 2000 20:38:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 20:38:56 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Mike McGary" To: Subject: RE: EDP SwitchQuant problem Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 19:33:48 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 In-Reply-To: <007801bf9784$6a4d6ec0$5e7cb2d0@computer> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <"-QFHf2.0.hw5.2ihtu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13155 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > How frustrating. When I try to turn SwitchQuant on, it does not give me an option On / Off, > but Off / CYC / CnF. According to the manual, it has only functions On / Off. It happens > even when I reset EDP. Anybody knows why? The PDF version of the manual is more up-to-date. Hunt down a copy of it (loopers digest web site? Gibson?) -Mike McGary From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Mar 26 21:30:23 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA04799; Sun, 26 Mar 2000 21:30:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 21:30:23 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Kriist@aol.com Message-ID: <9e.28d015f.26101ded@aol.com> Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 21:14:05 EST Subject: Re: modded EDP/bending To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 102 Resent-Message-ID: <"Rlr973.0.7D.KGitu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13156 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com i know that much i wasnt about to start arbitrarily shorting things out i just figured there mightve been a relatively simple mod like sending the feedback amount to ground, or shorting the ram(to make it play back randomly or whatnot) its a wonderful machine, and i personally wouldnt have the gall(or teh budget)to fry one itd just be nice to have a looper with some pinache or at worst, if i fry the thing(which im not even going to open the thing up until i get some good suggestions(if any))i can always make it onto a looper t-shirt "dont end up like this jackass" rodrigo << Circuit bending's generally much more productive on a device with a chip that's deeper than the interface would appear, that is, in order to cut production costs, there are fewer features than the IC supports [e.g. low-end Casios; the SK-1 is the archetypal circuit-bending guinea pig], or in a device which wasn't designed for strictly musical purposes [like a Speak & Spell], but uses a similar chip. This is often because the same chip could be used in several different devices, and it would be cheaper than designing a different one for each model. More sophisticated equipment usually has more features/controls/parameters already occupying those pin-outs, or software that really doesn't like encountering alternate circuit paths, so you'd probably get your most dramatic and rewarding results bending the cheap stuff, and you wouldn't be risking destroying something valuable. >> From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Mar 26 23:21:38 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA32372; Sun, 26 Mar 2000 23:21:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 23:21:38 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Echoechoparkpark@aol.com Message-ID: <35.2ffceb4.26103723@aol.com> Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 23:01:39 EST Subject: Live L.A. looping and you didn't tell us? To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 189 Resent-Message-ID: <"9Lu1l1.0.am6.5rjtu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13157 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hey Stephen!! Are you saying you loop-gigged without telling your SoCal brothers and sisters here on the list? I wouldn't mind catching you before you run off to England and get crazy... or did that already happen? eric p echo park In a message dated 3/20/0 10:47:22 PM, sgoodman@earthlight.net writes: >Yeah, well, my RDS 7.6 beat ME up this weekend, then it slapped me around >a > >bit for effect, onsite at a place that had no friggin' 3-prong outlets! From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Mar 27 00:14:22 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA13685; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 00:14:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 00:14:22 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Echoechoparkpark@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 00:11:03 EST Subject: Re: EV5 pedal not working with DL4... To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 189 Resent-Message-ID: <"2kR353.0.RG3.Asktu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13158 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hey Papa - eric Potter, here. I use the EV-5 and it works on all modes, but it doesn't always cover both extremes of a knob's range. I find it works best for me when the EV-5's little knob is set to 0 (zero). I saw the Line 6 pedal and it looks exactly like an EV-5 but with just a gap or plug where the little knob is on the EV. All in all it works well for me and it is not an obvious thing. eric p echo park In a message dated 3/25/0 7:58:12 AM, papadave55@hotmail.com writes: >>Yo loopheads...I'd heard that the EV5 pedal works fine with the line 6 >DL4 >>but it doesn't seem like it's doing all the stuff it's suppose to do. > Does >>the line 6 expression pedal for the DL4 do things that the EV5 won't? From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Mar 27 00:59:26 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA28313; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 00:59:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 00:59:26 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <000701bf97b1$3ad4e6a0$40348218@we.mediaone.net> From: "Om_Audio" To: References: Subject: Re: EV5 pedal not working with DL4... Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 21:56:43 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"BaI5J1.0.-q6.EWltu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13159 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com The e-v5 sometimes needs to be opened up and adjusted to obtain full sweep- Loosen tiny allen screw and adjust shaft/cam position to taste- Cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2000 9:11 PM Subject: Re: EV5 pedal not working with DL4... > > Hey Papa - eric Potter, here. > > I use the EV-5 and it works on all modes, but it doesn't always cover both > extremes of a knob's range. > I find it works best for me when the EV-5's little knob is set to 0 (zero). I > saw the Line 6 pedal and it looks exactly like an EV-5 but with just a gap or > plug where the little knob is on the EV. All in all it works well for me and > it is not an obvious thing. > > eric p > echo park > > > In a message dated 3/25/0 7:58:12 AM, papadave55@hotmail.com writes: > > >>Yo loopheads...I'd heard that the EV5 pedal works fine with the line 6 > >DL4 > >>but it doesn't seem like it's doing all the stuff it's suppose to do. > > Does > >>the line 6 expression pedal for the DL4 do things that the EV5 won't? > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Mar 27 04:19:42 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA10348; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 04:19:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 04:19:42 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38DF2622.8FDE7A5E@patriot.net> Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 04:13:06 -0500 From: :"-Peter :-Prisekin aka :-Dusty :-Chalk" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: four-channel output/surround reverb References: <051c01bf92ac$a35c0410$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Mjf3G2.0.wG2.vRotu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13160 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com BTW, one of the things I like to do, but it works better on loopy leads, is to put two mono echoes on the F-L and F-R channels, one longer than the other, and then some sort of stereo multitap across the Surround-Left and S-R channels. Kind of drifting away from looping, but I'm sure someone can incorporate that into some good ideas. -- I remain, :-Peter aka :-Dusty :-Chalk From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Mar 27 08:27:33 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA01150; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 08:27:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 08:27:33 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 14:08:19 +0100 (BST) From: Jim Carter To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Looper realbook 3 out!!! (was looper tablature) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"onQkm1.0.4_6.9trtu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13161 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Can't we just start up the "90ns SIMs are better than 60ns SIMs" thread again. I rather enjoyed that one. Jim Carter Bristol, UK Tel. (44) 117 9289934 FAX (44) 117 9293746 e-mail jim.carter@bris.ac.uk (work) echo.plex@virgin.net (personal) From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Mar 27 10:18:56 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA30059; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 10:18:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 10:18:56 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: From: "Depratti, Robert" To: "'loopers-delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: FW: simms search Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 10:12:22 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <"bea1p.0.-w6.Qfttu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13163 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I just purchased my first EDP. -I want to increase its memory -can you help me find some quality & inexpensive simms? I want to upgrade it to the full amount. I would appreciate any help that you could give -Bob From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Mar 27 10:09:13 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA27153; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 10:09:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 10:09:13 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: From: "Depratti, Robert" To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Looper realbook 3 out!!! (was looper tablature) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 10:04:07 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <"YzCb31.0.cG6.iXttu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13162 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I just purchased my first EDP. -I want to increase its memory -can you help me find simms? I want to upgrade it to the full amount. I would appreciate any help that you could give -Bob -----Original Message----- From: Jim Carter [mailto:Jim.Carter@bristol.ac.uk] Sent: Monday, March 27, 2000 8:08 AM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Looper realbook 3 out!!! (was looper tablature) Can't we just start up the "90ns SIMs are better than 60ns SIMs" thread again. I rather enjoyed that one. Jim Carter Bristol, UK Tel. (44) 117 9289934 FAX (44) 117 9293746 e-mail jim.carter@bris.ac.uk (work) echo.plex@virgin.net (personal) From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Mar 27 10:46:48 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA05791; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 10:46:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 10:46:48 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: From: "Depratti, Robert" To: "'loopers-delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: FW: simms search Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 10:21:47 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <"xXj8L.0.pR7.Eottu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13164 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I just purchased my first EDP. -I want to increase its memory -can you help me find some quality & inexpensive simms? I want to upgrade it to the full amount. I would appreciate any help that you could give -Bob From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Mar 27 10:53:13 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA07496; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 10:53:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 10:53:13 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000327153315.53798.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [129.64.25.95] From: "Sean Witters" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: MP3>AIFF Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 07:33:15 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"hLLHh3.0.xY.Tzttu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13165 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com While we're on the Macster thread, I was wondering if anyone has knowledge of a freeware program for converting MP3's to AIFF's (and vice versa). Best Sean ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Mar 27 11:00:29 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA11743; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 11:00:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 11:00:29 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: RA336@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 10:41:03 EST Subject: touring again To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 146 Resent-Message-ID: <"WH-W83.0.i21.o4utu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13166 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com anyone interested; I'll be out with Douglas September (Canadian singer-songwriter) playing roots/ambient guitar and some weird-ass accordion and sound effects on the following dates. multiple delay loopers, etc. s'cuse me if I posted this already... been having some weird connection problems lately (not THOSE kind, you ninny!...) best regards, Robby Aceto CAFE MUSIC NETWORK PRESENTS DOUGLAS SEPTEMBER Fri Mar 31 Cup a Cino Grosse Point, MI 8:00 pm Sat Apr 1 736 Java Detroit, MI 9:00 pm Sun Apr 2 Phoenix Coffeehouse Lakewood, OH 6:00 pm Tue Apr 4 Coffee Bean Cafe Buffalo, NY 9:00 pm Wed Apr 5 Johnny's Smoke Free Lounge Rochester, NY 9:00 pm Thu Apr 6 Happy Endings Syracuse, NY 9:00 pm Fri Apr 7 Professor Java's Coffee Sanctuary Albany, NY 8:00 pm Sat Apr 8 Cafe Delilah Montpelier, VT 8:30 pm Sun Apr 9 Bridge Street Cafe Richmond, VT 11:00 am - 1:00 pm Tue Apr 11 Free Street Taverna Portland, ME 9:00 pm Wed Apr 12 Kendall Cafe Cambridge, MA Thu Apr 13 Curious Liquids Boston, MA Fri Apr 14 Gaslight New York, NY 9:00 pm Sat Apr 15 The Living Room New York, NY 9:00 pm Sun Apr 16 La Tazza D'Art Philadelphia, PA 9:00 pm Tue Apr 18 Soho Coffee & Tea Washington, DC 9:00 pm Wed Apr 19 3rd Place Coffeehouse Raleigh, NC 8:00 pm Thu Apr 20 Town Pump Black Mountain, NC 9:00 pm Fri Apr 21 Bluebird Cafe Nashville, TN 6:00 pm Sat Apr 22 The Map Room Memphis, TN 10:00 pm Tue Apr 25 Neutral Ground New Orleans, LA 9:30 pm Thu Apr 27 Ruta Maya Coffeehouse Austin, TX 8:00 pm Fri Apr 28 Mosart's Coffee Roast Austin, TX 7:30 pm Sat Apr 29 503 Coffee Bar Austin, TX 9:30 pm Sun Apr 30 Deep Ellum Dallas, TX 6:00pm Wed May 3 Pony Expresso Webster Grove, MO Thu May 4 Java Club Rock Island, IL 8:00 pm Fri May 5 Uncommon Grounds Chicago, IL 8:00 pm From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Mar 27 12:04:37 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA01130; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 12:04:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 12:04:37 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 11:45:35 EST Subject: (CT) AKAPELLA To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 61 Resent-Message-ID: <"WhK1B.0.9y6.M1vtu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13167 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com here is a little note from matt re: the AKAPELLA cd........you can also get the (CT) FOUND cd from him also........projects presently in the works: SOURCE/PRODUCT.........PHILTER PHRENZY..........AMBIENT..........and our all time favorite CT 75.........we will keep you all alerted when these projects are done.........if you have ideas for projects or would like to share your music please join us at www.onelist.com/community/CT-Collective............thanks and hears matt: From: "matt davignon" Hey everyone, I now have the ability to duplicate and sell the AKAPELLA CD's for $5 each. As you all know, AKAPELLA was the project where everyone used only their vocals (and whatever recording/sampling techniques) to create the music. Cd's are $5, with USA postage paid, or $10 international (to pay for the xtra postage). You can download the entire contents of the CD by mp3 at www.loopxchange.com. If you want a CD, just zip me an e-mail (mattdavignon@hotmail.com) and I'll tell you where you can send the check, money order, or concealed cash. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Mar 27 12:44:48 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA12738; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 12:44:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 12:44:48 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Kuehnle@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 12:24:02 EST Subject: Re: FW: simms search To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Resent-Message-ID: <"nrb2O.0.Dn1.Obvtu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13168 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I'd check www.thechipmerchant.com. They always seem to have the best prices. Looks like they've got the chips for about $18 each right now. -Eric From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Mar 27 13:56:18 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA31153; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 13:56:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 13:56:18 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38DFACCD.DEF900F9@ppi2pass.com> Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 10:47:42 -0800 From: Mark Sottilaro Reply-To: msottilaro@ppi2pass.com Organization: PPI X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: SF Bay Area looping: Adventures in Cardiology References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"XetgB2.0.RE7.2qwtu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13169 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hey kids, I'm doing a live experimental-electro-ambient show this thursday (30th) at the San Francisco Art Institute at 5:00 pm. We're calling ourselves "Adventures in Cardiology" and it looks as if the lineup will include 2 guitarists, a cello player, and someone manning synths and drum machines. It's free and open to the public. If weather permits, we'll do it outside in the front courtyard, if not it will be in the adjacent gallery. In any case, the sound will guide you to the location as the place is small and easy to find. The address is: San Francisco Art Institute 800 Chestnut St. San Francisco, CA. Hope to see you there. Come by and say "hi," I'll be the one with the white Steinberger and JamMan. See you in the future, Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Mar 27 18:50:41 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA09677; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 18:50:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 18:50:41 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <200003272332.SAA04378@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Subject: Re: MP3>AIFF Date: Mon, 27 Mar 00 16:32:08 -0000 x-sender: smonroe@pop.ecentral.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: S Monroe To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <"RB3Gh2.0.f41.8--tu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13170 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >While we're on the Macster thread, I was wondering if anyone has knowledge >of a freeware program for converting MP3's to AIFF's (and vice versa). >Best Sean You can convert MP3's to AIFF's using SoundApp. SoundApp will not do vice versa. available at: http://www-cs-students.stanford.edu/~franke/SoundApp/ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Mar 28 00:58:20 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA09407; Tue, 28 Mar 2000 00:58:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 00:58:20 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <000401bf987a$da537d80$6a4fdfc8@doutor> From: "Julio Moreno" To: Subject: Fw: "Loop" interacting and ''standard minimal set of phisical skills'' again .... Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 19:16:39 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.3825.400 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.3825.400 Resent-Message-ID: <"Ytb4k3.0.m52.JZ4uu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13171 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com No coments ? julio ----- Original Message ----- From: "Julio Moreno" To: Sent: Friday, March 24, 2000 8:20 PM Subject: "Loop" interacting and ''standard minimal set of phisical skills'' ... > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rev. Doubt-Goat" > To: > Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2000 1:41 PM > Subject: Re: "Loop" interacting with the rest of the music. > > > > 93 > > > > Julio Moreno wrote: > > > > > > I post this some days ago...i think was an important topic ...No coments > ??? > > > The questions is: > > > How you can ''construct'' a groovy loop if you don't know to play your > > > instrument with swing ??? I speaking about ''construct'' playing , not > > > programing/sampling etcetc ... > > > > Hmmmm, if I understand you correctly here, you're asking how one can > > create good loops without being a good musician. > > > > Well, looping is often approached from a different angle than standard > > playing technique, and as such, often lends itself well to the "naive" > > musician. A minimal set of physical skills is all that is necessary. > > Music is in the "ears," not the "hands." > > Ok ....i understand this...and i think it's very important to use the > machines as ''tools'' for improve creation and expand our ''minds'' : ) > ...but i tryin to say something like this: i can loop a patern of the James > Brown's song ''Sex Machine" guitar riff in my machine to jam with or etcetc > ...but i know ''how to'' and ''can'' play it for long very ''tigth'' with a > drumer and a bassist grooving ... i think this is very important for my > ''standard minimal set of phisical skills'' ... and really : i'm not > definetely a ''virtuoso'' ... : ) obviously i'm not triyng to say that > everybody must play with this '' standard minimal set of phisical skills'' > ... Music must be FUN , loop must be FUN , and everybody can play/loop and > ENJOY freely ...This machines are there for pleasure and joy. I'm sure the > people who project them, think first on this item. But i think a serious > (not necessarily ''profesional''...) musician must be ready to play with a > minimum amount of accuracy. And of course , my machine helps me a lot to > play better and practise in a very funny way. Good health ! > julio > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Mar 28 06:00:42 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA16141; Tue, 28 Mar 2000 06:00:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 06:00:42 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 05:43:17 EST Subject: Re: modded EDP/bending To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 32 Resent-Message-ID: <"_S2tO1.0.lu2.gp8uu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13172 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 27/03/00 01:50:58 GMT Daylight Time, tcn62@ici.net writes: > Here's a question (albeit with only an implied on-topicality): What kinds > of equipment, off-the-wall and otherwise, have you guys had good luck or > horror stories bending? A cheap 70's keyboard (by 'Elgam') used to suffer various mods. Although I tried to figure out the circuit and produce effects that I'd planned things went astray. In the end I got about half a dozen extra switches on it, and then let the keyboard 'player' from my then band loose on it. I think he was impressed. an old analogue delay (multitap with modulation) was also attacked, found the capacitor that governed the clock rate and fixed in a switch to replace it with other capacitor values. (also increased the amount of modulation) this produced an excellent analogue flanger/phaser, but best trick was to turn feedback to max, play in some sounds, and then go for the new switch, so all the (looped) sound could jump up/down an octave, or just turn into feedback screech. I daren't try connecting points totally at random though, if I did it all the transistors would die. My theory is that circuit-bending gear with discrete transistors should tend to produced richer sounds than gear full of chips. (because the onset of non-linearity is more gradual) ..so valves would be even better then Anyone out there with access to valve technology might look into something called squegging, a one valve circuit which exploits certain little used characteristics of the valve to produce broad band irregular tones. This circuit was used a to produce an effective jamming signal which could be broadcast to interfere with another's radio reception. So a lot of those weird sounds on short wave radio are actually produced in this way. .....and now to get back on topic these short wave sounds inspired much of the music of Karlheinz Stockhausen. KS the inventor of looping? time for bed bye From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Mar 28 13:28:11 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA31340; Tue, 28 Mar 2000 13:28:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 13:28:11 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhRXU42FXVDrXLkjeGYwQTv38tRSMQIUfiy6dNCMzVzMXH2XAPggPXUQ5FI= From: DanKoontz@webtv.net (Dan Koontz) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 10:15:41 -0800 (PST) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: modded EDP/bending Message-ID: <3477-38E0F6CD-3099@storefull-166.iap.bryant.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: SoundFNR@aol.com's message of Tue, 28 Mar 2000 05:43:17 EST Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Resent-Message-ID: <"n3oL62.0.G17.GRFuu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13173 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I've had alot of luck circuit-bending any of the old Speak & Spell, Math, Read, and the Touch & Tell. The Super Speak&..... series always burns out after about 10 mins. of work. Actually, I've had alot of luck bending any old electronic toy/keyboard, as long as it's over 10 years old. Stay away from any recent Radio-Shack (or similar) toys/keyboards, though. They don't have any exposed circuitry inside. Hope this helps, - Dan From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Mar 28 14:23:40 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA13086; Tue, 28 Mar 2000 14:23:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 14:23:40 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <00b001bf98e9$e9ca1480$1432dacf@sgoodman> Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: <35.2ffceb4.26103723@aol.com> Subject: Re: Live L.A. looping and you didn't tell us? Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 11:14:57 -0800 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"pAJ-t.0.Uf2.6KGuu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13174 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Okay, okay... It was a field test, frankly. And as with the space mission, there are no failures, only opportunities to learn how to keep 'em from happening again. Frankly, I was spared from derision by others and myself by one main thing: the difference between my sound pre-Mackie mixer purchase, and post, was dramatic enough noise-wise such that the noise level in combination with the awful house current uh, well, NOBODY NOTICED. I'd started the evening on a bad foot, using a prescribed inhaler to help with some shortness of breath during moving stuff out to the car. Alas, steroids is not my drug - and I'd never used an inhaler before (I've got a light case of bronchitis presently). Result was a bout with Rapid Heart Rate that I nonetheless endured while continuing to pack the car, sweating so much that I knew electrolytes were just jumping off of me, thus some Gatorade (the drink for ACTIVE musicians!) helped a little bit. And a change of clothes for when I got everything set up. THAT took hours, but once the power problem was identified, a level of resignation set in that gladly noone saw... I couldn't use the 7.6 Time Machine at ALL due to its happy conversion to Noise Source upon encountering the two-prong plug; my ORIGINAL plan was to have the 7.6 and the Zoom 2100 running together, providing a full set of textures for my listeners' ears to chew upon. Unfortunately not to be this time, of course; thankfully, the "Tape Loop" effect offered by the Zoom 2100 more than filled in on this level, with the only bad effect being that one can't close the loop and jam to it (ie not add to it while soloing). To add to this, the video projector that I'd planned on running the interactive video through wouldn't obey - or rather the person who brought it didn't know whether it was functional or not - and of course as noone else had ever seen it, they'd also never learned to expect same. Another non-disappointment to them, not to me though... And so, thanks also to the Zoom 2100, nobody was disappointed in the small group attending (perhaps 15 people) - I'd originally thought that they'd just come inside because the police had come and stopped the drumming outside, but then I'm my own worst critic, as if to head off everyone else... :) Don't worry though - I'm looking for a site that has its own video setup, hopefully screens all over, and their own PC hooked up via sound card, such that I can just lug my sound gear up, and not have to dismantle my entire PC setup at home/work here... Having learned from the above I plan on definitely doing something before July in the LA area. I'll let you know. HOWEVER! I might mention that the place I became comfortable with playing in front of people, the TUNNELS IN SAN GABRIEL CANYON (East Fork, actually Shoemaker Canyon, up the 39 from the 210 in Asuza), is happening THIS WEEKEND as the time is changing again. It happens twice a year of course, but I don't go in the Fall, as it's fire season (even the Donner Party had Fire) so it's too cold for this fellow. While I only go in the Spring, this weekend is probably the last time I'm going to go in a while, as I'm getting married and moving over to London in August/September. Those interested should email me directly at sgoodman@earthlight.net Stephen Goodman EarthLight Productions * http://www.earthlight.net From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Mar 28 14:55:20 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA21164; Tue, 28 Mar 2000 14:55:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 14:55:20 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38E10D3A.C992610A@columbia.edu> Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 14:51:22 -0500 From: Morgan Hamilton Lang X-Sender: "Morgan Hamilton Lang" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-NECCK (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers Delight Subject: MP3>AIFF Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"X4D38.0.xc4.dnGuu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13175 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Don't know about PC, but on the Mac you would want to use BladeEnc and Mpecker. These will get you from aiff to MP3 and back again. Go to http://www.benforpresident.org/~kdegraaf/mp3.html for a listing of decent Mac free/share ware for doing things with MP3s. MHL From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Mar 28 20:34:03 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA01985; Tue, 28 Mar 2000 20:34:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 20:34:03 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38E15C06.6EEA0424@pop.agri.ch> Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 03:27:34 +0200 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Jes=FAs=20Turi=F1o?= Reply-To: j-turino@pop.agri.ch Organization: i45 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [de] (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: de,es MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: off topic - teramine? References: <20000112010431.90269.qmail@hotmail.com> <4.1.20000111210425.0181b870@realm-of-shade.com> <387CA3A1.E279BA5C@compuserve.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by rosy.yourwebhost.com id UAA01644 Resent-Message-ID: <"uWs-Y3.0.yP.boLuu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13176 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com hi i'm looking for an instrument called "teramine" (... or sounds like). its made of 2 "antenas", you don't touch them, but with your "force field" you can change sounds. I would apreciate any infos. thanks-, jesús From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Mar 28 20:54:02 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA07266; Tue, 28 Mar 2000 20:54:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 20:54:02 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: X-Sender: rswitzer@mail.pa.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 20:46:01 -0500 To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com From: Robert Switzer Subject: Re: off topic - teramine? In-Reply-To: <38E15C06.6EEA0424@pop.agri.ch> References: <20000112010431.90269.qmail@hotmail.com> <4.1.20000111210425.0181b870@realm-of-shade.com> <387CA3A1.E279BA5C@compuserve.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"lKGqq1.0.mR1.a4Muu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13177 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 03:27 AM 3/29/00 +0200, you wrote: >i'm looking for an instrument called "teramine" (... or sounds like). >its made of 2 "antenas", you don't touch them, but with your "force field" you >can change sounds. > >I would apreciate any infos. Check out www.bigbriar.com or www.paia.com. rob switzer From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Mar 28 21:06:03 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA10044; Tue, 28 Mar 2000 21:06:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 21:06:03 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000329014925.12697.qmail@web217.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 17:49:25 -0800 (PST) From: Stephen Subject: Re: off topic - teramine? To: j-turino@pop.agri.ch, Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"Di5131.0.5S1.f4Muu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13178 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Check out: http://www.sar.usf.edu/~lemoore/ http://ca.yahoo.com/Entertainment/Music/Instruments/Electronic/Theremin http://www.bigbriar.com/etherwaveproducts.htm to start. Do a search on http://www.dogpile.com on theremin and you'll get a lot of hits. stephen --- Jesús Turińo wrote: > hi > > i'm looking for an instrument called "teramine" (... > or sounds like). > its made of 2 "antenas", you don't touch them, but > with your "force field" you > can change sounds. > > I would apreciate any infos. > > thanks-, jesús > > ===== Stephen __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Mar 28 21:25:34 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA15186; Tue, 28 Mar 2000 21:25:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 21:25:34 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000328212321.007bd980@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 21:23:21 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: off topic - teramine? In-Reply-To: References: <38E15C06.6EEA0424@pop.agri.ch> <20000112010431.90269.qmail@hotmail.com> <4.1.20000111210425.0181b870@realm-of-shade.com> <387CA3A1.E279BA5C@compuserve.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"1te5.0.iP3.uYMuu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13179 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com The Theremin Enthusiasts Club International has a good site at with lots of old articles and a useful links section. I'm not sure how active they are these days, but the site IS still up. Tim At 08:46 PM 3/28/00 -0500, you wrote: >At 03:27 AM 3/29/00 +0200, you wrote: > >>i'm looking for an instrument called "teramine" (... or sounds like). >>its made of 2 "antenas", you don't touch them, but with your "force field" >you >>can change sounds. >> >>I would apreciate any infos. > >Check out www.bigbriar.com or www.paia.com. > >rob switzer > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Mar 28 22:42:22 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA32633; Tue, 28 Mar 2000 22:42:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 22:42:22 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <003701bf992e$ccae8d00$f922dacf@sgoodman> Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: <38E10D3A.C992610A@columbia.edu> Subject: Re: MP3>AIFF Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 19:28:05 -0800 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"QcduG1.0.267.dXNuu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13180 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com BladeEnc (BladeEncoder) is also available, and free, on the PC. Its companion is BladeBatch, a good way to do a bunch of them together. Stephen Goodman EarthLight Productions * http://www.earthlight.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Morgan Hamilton Lang" To: "Loopers Delight" Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2000 11:51 AM Subject: MP3>AIFF > Don't know about PC, but on the Mac you would want to use BladeEnc and > Mpecker. These will get you from aiff to MP3 and back again. Go to > http://www.benforpresident.org/~kdegraaf/mp3.html for a listing of > decent Mac free/share ware for doing things with MP3s. > > MHL > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Mar 29 03:38:22 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA03737; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 03:38:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 03:38:22 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000329083224.6240.qmail@web115.yahoomail.com> Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 00:32:24 -0800 (PST) From: John Tidwell Subject: Can you help w/ my Rocktron G612 Mixer? To: Loopers Delight MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"BRwJY1.0.-d.R-Ruu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13181 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I just bought a used G612 rack mixer with no manual. Would someone be kind enough to give a "for dummies" explanation of how to use it so that all 4 aux sends are available? I think I've figured out that it needs to be set to DUAL mode & that something needs to be plugged into both A & B side channels for any one channel to route to all 4 sends. Does one side need a plug to act as a jumper or will I need some sort of splitter to send signal to both A & B sides? I just received the David Torn videos a couple of weeks ago. Now I have dreams of all sorts of mayhem resulting from connecting a DL-4, an echoplex, a vortex, & a Digitech 2120 to to the effects sends. Mr. Torn, if you're reading, is there any chance of future videos of you working out on an Echoplex (or two)? Many thanks. John ===== John Tidwell __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Mar 29 14:50:23 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA25519; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 14:50:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 14:50:23 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <01c701bf99b3$0c265e20$462cf7c2@abc.zetnet.co.uk> From: "steve lawson" To: Subject: JamMan and MPX-G2 Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 20:13:25 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"4Gcgw.0.J94.kPbuu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13182 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi all, first let me introduce myself. My name's Steve Lawson and I'm a bass player/bass teacher/solo artist/music journalist in London UK. My solo gigs are just me, three basses, a JamMan, a Lexicon MPX-G2 and an amp - layering bass sounds, e-bow, melody, screaming distortion. My musical vision is I guess in a similar ball park to Bill Frisell, Michael Manring, Marc Johnson... ish... Anyway, my question is about MIDI-ing up my MPX-G2 looper and my JamMan, to create loops that are of equal length but independent - has anyone done this? How does it work? I'd love to know... If you want to hear what I do, please visit my web-site and have a listen to the solo stuff, taken from my last couple of solo gigs here in London. cheers Steve http://www.steve-lawson.co.uk - subscribe to my new mailing list here. steve@steve-lawson.co.uk "I know there's a balance, I see it every time I swing past." - John Mellencamp From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Mar 29 16:41:21 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA19902; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 16:41:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 16:41:21 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <97.38c6ec3.2613cf94@aol.com> Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 16:28:52 EST Subject: Re: Live L.A. looping and you didn't tell us? To: sgoodman@earthlight.net, Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 32 Resent-Message-ID: <"uL5wj3.0.nG4.hOduu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13183 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 28/03/00 20:23:41 GMT Daylight Time, sgoodman@earthlight.net writes: > effect offered by the Zoom 2100 more than filled in on this level, with the > only bad effect being that one can't close the loop and jam to it (ie not > add to it while soloing). Good News yes you can do exactly that by backing off the expression pedal (probably by hitting 'function if you don't have the ped) Andy Butler Lexicon Vortex Database http://members.aol.com/soundfnr/vortex.htm From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Mar 29 17:04:01 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA25067; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 17:04:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 17:04:01 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38E27831.FD779EC4@ppi2pass.com> Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 13:40:06 -0800 From: Mark Sottilaro Reply-To: msottilaro@ppi2pass.com Organization: PPI X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: MPX-G2 MIDI Synch? References: <01c701bf99b3$0c265e20$462cf7c2@abc.zetnet.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"lEJ4t.0.Ss4.ZXduu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13184 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com hey! I never knew about Lexicon's MPX-G2 and it's "JamMan" function. 20 sec of delay time. Is it upgradable to more? More importantly, will it synch to MIDI, like the JamMan? Steve, if you're reading this, can you hook the midi in of the MPX into the midi out of a drum machine/sequencer and then try to start a new loop in time with the beat. If it works, the loop should end itself... on the beat and whatever you played will no be in synch with the midi source. If this works, let me know, it's very exciting news. Mark steve lawson wrote: > Hi all, > > first let me introduce myself. > > My name's Steve Lawson and I'm a bass player/bass teacher/solo artist/music > journalist in London UK. My solo gigs are just me, three basses, a JamMan, a > Lexicon MPX-G2 and an amp - layering bass sounds, e-bow, melody, screaming > distortion. My musical vision is I guess in a similar ball park to Bill > Frisell, Michael Manring, Marc Johnson... ish... > > Anyway, my question is about MIDI-ing up my MPX-G2 looper and my JamMan, to > create loops that are of equal length but independent - has anyone done > this? How does it work? I'd love to know... > > If you want to hear what I do, please visit my web-site and have a listen to > the solo stuff, taken from my last couple of solo gigs here in London. > > cheers > > Steve > http://www.steve-lawson.co.uk - subscribe to my new mailing list here. > steve@steve-lawson.co.uk > > "I know there's a balance, I see it every time I swing past." > - John Mellencamp -- Mark Sottilaro Professional Publications, Inc 1250 Fifth Ave, Belmont CA 94002 Multimedia Production E-mail: msottilaro@ppi2pass.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Mar 30 05:04:18 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA03735; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 05:04:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 05:04:18 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <025801bf9a2a$1c3fa420$462cf7c2@abc.zetnet.co.uk> From: "steve lawson" To: Subject: Re: MPX-G2 MIDI Synch? Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 09:53:47 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"NlEq42.0.E77.Qunuu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13185 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >I never knew about Lexicon's MPX-G2 and it's "JamMan" function. 20 sec of >delay time. Is it upgradable to more? More importantly, will it synch to >MIDI, like the JamMan? Steve, if you're reading this, can you hook the midi >in of the MPX into the midi out of a drum machine/sequencer and then try to >start a new loop in time with the beat. If it works, the loop should end >itself... on the beat and whatever you played will no be in synch with the midi >source. If this works, let me know, it's very exciting news. I've not got a drum machine with MIDI at the moment, but have tried just sticking in a MIDI lead to see if the two are already working on the same channel... they aren't... My guess is that it'll be possible, I've just got to look up what the MIDI number is for the 'tap' button on the MPX, and set the JamMan to receive on the same... then I can set the two lengths the same, and just do interesting things with volume controls to stop my self recording the same thing on both machines... Michael Manring uses two JamMans live, and tracks things up - he does an amazing solo bass version of Spirits in a Material World where he puts a drum track down on one, then puts two loops side by side on the other one (using the first loop to set the length) and then switches between the two to get verse and chorus - great stuff. If you're not familiar with Michael, check out http://www.manthing.com and go see him live - it's an amazing experience... cheers Steve http://www.steve-lawson.co.uk - subscribe to my new mailing list here. steve@steve-lawson.co.uk "I know there's a balance, I see it every time I swing past." - John Mellencamp From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Mar 30 12:16:42 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA04223; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 12:16:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 12:16:42 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <002301bf9a66$de5e58d0$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: Subject: shameless promotion Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 11:41:59 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"1QYoq.0.BA7.LKuuu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13186 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hello ALL! TransSonic Music is presenting an evening of improvisation this Sunday, April 2 at 7 PM. Details: Where: Wells Community Cultural Center 638 North St. Lafayette, IN tel: (765) 423-2787 When: Sunday, April 2, 2000 Doors open at 6:30 PM Showtime: 7 to 9 PM What: "Seven in a Sack" improvisational music, voice, dance Who: Michael Kelsy (guitar and loops) Thierry Kauffmann (keyboard) Dennis Leas (percussion and loops) Tanya Gilham (spoken word) Rick Mummey (voice) Holly DeMaio (dance) Jeff Wallace (dance) Cost: $7 at the door $5 at Von's Records 325 W. State W. Lafayette, IN (765) 743-1796 Dennis Leas ----------------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Mar 30 13:15:38 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA17634; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 13:15:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 13:15:38 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000330175309.24213.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [200.41.57.209] From: "rafa marin" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RDS 8000 DIGITECH TIME MACHINE HELP!!! Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 09:53:09 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"6o1Hp.0.263.mIvuu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13187 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi, I would like to know if you have any sales representative in Venezuela, in order to fix my Digitech Time Machine RDS8000 that's  not working good. If' you don't have any representative in my country, I would like that you send me an electronic diagram of this device in order to fix it with another technician. Thanks, Rafael Marin. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Mar 30 13:57:06 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA27372; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 13:57:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 13:57:06 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: From: "Depratti, Robert" To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: RDS 8000 DIGITECH TIME MACHINE HELP!!! Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 13:20:23 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"6geQt1.0.Kb4.vhvuu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13189 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I have a time machine not a schematic -just finished reading the message-Bob > -----Original Message----- > From: rafa marin > Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2000 12:53 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Subject: RDS 8000 DIGITECH TIME MACHINE HELP!!! > > Hi, I would like to know if you have any sales representative in > Venezuela, in order to fix my Digitech Time Machine RDS8000 that's not > working good. > If' you don't have any representative in my country, I would like that > you send me an electronic diagram of this device in order to fix it with > > another technician. > Thanks, Rafael Marin. > > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Mar 30 13:59:21 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA27615; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 13:59:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 13:59:21 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38E3A0D8.518B47@ppi2pass.com> Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 10:45:45 -0800 From: Mark Sottilaro Reply-To: msottilaro@ppi2pass.com Organization: PPI X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: MPX-G2 MIDI Synch? References: <025801bf9a2a$1c3fa420$462cf7c2@abc.zetnet.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"X48dw3.0.B46.F4wuu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13190 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hey, I just got an email from Lexicon and they do indeed confirm that the JamMan function on the MPX-G2 is MIDI synchable, as is the original JamMan. As far as I can tell, all you'd have to do is send the MIDI out from your drum machine/sequencer into a splitter and you'd have two more or less in synch loops. The problem is that it seems that Lexicon wants about $1700 for the MPX-G2 with a foot controller. A bit steep. You could have bought 5 JamMans for that new and had some extra for MacDonalds on the way home. To the people on the list that have it, is it worth it? (not the MacDonalds, the MPX) -- Mark Sottilaro Professional Publications, Inc 1250 Fifth Ave, Belmont CA 94002 Multimedia Production E-mail: msottilaro@ppi2pass.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Mar 30 14:09:03 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA30471; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 14:09:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 14:09:03 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: From: "Depratti, Robert" To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: RDS 8000 DIGITECH TIME MACHINE HELP!!! Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 13:19:31 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"BUoYG1.0.Pa4.Mhvuu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13188 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I have one for sale -How does $150.00 sound-Drop me a line if you want it- Hope to hear from you soon-Bob > -----Original Message----- > From: rafa marin > Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2000 12:53 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Subject: RDS 8000 DIGITECH TIME MACHINE HELP!!! > > Hi, I would like to know if you have any sales representative in > Venezuela, in order to fix my Digitech Time Machine RDS8000 that's not > working good. > If' you don't have any representative in my country, I would like that > you send me an electronic diagram of this device in order to fix it with > > another technician. > Thanks, Rafael Marin. > > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Mar 30 14:33:02 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA04276; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 14:33:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 14:33:02 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: From: "Depratti, Robert" To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: RDS 8000 DIGITECH TIME MACHINE HELP!!! Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 14:00:35 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"xFTXM1.0.8q6.BHwuu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13191 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Depratti, Robert > Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2000 1:20 PM > To: 'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com' > Subject: RE: RDS 8000 DIGITECH TIME MACHINE HELP!!! > > > I have a time machine not a schematic -just finished reading the > message-Bob > > -----Original Message----- > > From: rafa marin > > Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2000 12:53 PM > > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > > Subject: RDS 8000 DIGITECH TIME MACHINE HELP!!! > > > > Hi, I would like to know if you have any sales representative in > > Venezuela, in order to fix my Digitech Time Machine RDS8000 that's not > > working good. > > If' you don't have any representative in my country, I would like that > > you send me an electronic diagram of this device in order to fix it with > > > > another technician. > > Thanks, Rafael Marin. > > > > > > ______________________________________________________ > > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Mar 30 16:39:25 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA02653; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 16:39:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 16:39:25 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: magicicada@mindspring.com Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 16:15:29 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: RE: RDS 8000 DIGITECH TIME MACHINE HELP!!! Sender: magicicada@mindspring.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: 170.140.104.69 Resent-Message-ID: <"3S6_13.0.357.qFyuu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13192 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com OHH I want to buy it!!!!! regards, c.white Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com wrote: > I have one for sale -How does $150.00 sound-Drop me a line if you want it-Hope to hear from you soon-Bob > -----Original Message----- > From: rafa marin > Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2000 12:53 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Subject: RDS 8000 DIGITECH TIME MACHINE HELP!!! > > Hi, I would like to know if you have any sales representative in > Venezuela, in order to fix my Digitech Time Machine RDS8000 that's not > working good. > If' you don't have any representative in my country, I would like that > you send me an electronic diagram of this device in order to fix it with > > another technician. > Thanks, Rafael Marin. > > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Mar 30 16:56:22 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA06643; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 16:56:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 16:56:22 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: From: "Depratti, Robert" To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: RE: RDS 8000 DIGITECH TIME MACHINE HELP!!! Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 16:50:23 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <"wgj2n3.0.yI1.Kmyuu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13193 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com If you e-mail me your address I can send it C.O.D. tomorrow or Saturday-Talk to you soon-Bob -----Original Message----- From: magicicada@mindspring.com [mailto:magicicada@mindspring.com] Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2000 4:15 PM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: RE: RDS 8000 DIGITECH TIME MACHINE HELP!!! OHH I want to buy it!!!!! regards, c.white Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com wrote: > I have one for sale -How does $150.00 sound-Drop me a line if you want it-Hope to hear from you soon-Bob > -----Original Message----- > From: rafa marin > Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2000 12:53 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Subject: RDS 8000 DIGITECH TIME MACHINE HELP!!! > > Hi, I would like to know if you have any sales representative in > Venezuela, in order to fix my Digitech Time Machine RDS8000 that's not > working good. > If' you don't have any representative in my country, I would like that > you send me an electronic diagram of this device in order to fix it with > > another technician. > Thanks, Rafael Marin. > > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Mar 31 08:52:21 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA13598; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 08:52:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 08:52:21 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <035701bf9b12$26b9f160$462cf7c2@abc.zetnet.co.uk> From: "steve lawson" To: Subject: Re: MPX-G2 MIDI Synch? Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 13:11:11 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"9UrHA1.0.Du.qDAvu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13194 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >I just got an email from Lexicon and they do indeed confirm that the JamMan >function on the MPX-G2 is MIDI synchable, as is the original JamMan. As far as >I can tell, all you'd have to do is send the MIDI out from your drum >machine/sequencer into a splitter and you'd have two more or less in synch >loops. Ah, that's interesting, as the JamMan can provide MIDI clock info, I'll have to try driving the G2 with the JamMan.... could be fun! :o) >The problem is that it seems that Lexicon wants about $1700 for the MPX-G2 with >a foot controller. A bit steep. You could have bought 5 JamMans for that new >and had some extra for MacDonalds on the way home. To the people on the list >that have it, is it worth it? (not the MacDonalds, the MPX) Do NOT get the G2 solely as a loop device - it's a great effect, but not worth the money. As a multi FX however, I've not come across anything that's anywhere near as good. I write for Guitarist magazine in the UK and get to try out every new FX unit on the market, just about, and this is the best, most versatile, instrument effects unit I've ever tried. If you want the best, it's worth the $$$$. If you just want something for fun, go for a floor unit... cheers Steve http://www.steve-lawson.co.uk - subscribe to my new mailing list here. steve@steve-lawson.co.uk "I know there's a balance, I see it every time I swing past." - John Mellencamp From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Mar 31 10:21:54 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA01445; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 10:21:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 10:21:54 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38E4C004.28CA5215@node.net> Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 10:11:00 -0500 From: James Keepnews Reply-To: keepnews@node.net Organization: > - - node - - < X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "unauthorized@node.net" , claudia friedetzky , "CANCERCAP@aol.com" , Carl Adams , Christine Bard , deKam , "DLYOGA@aol.com" , Flipped Out Records , "GOGOLA@aol.com" , Holland Hopson , john , julia hammid , "juliaf@us.ibm.com" , Julie Overskei , Kathleen Brandt , Lanny Trager , LoAnne&Mojo , "Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" , Mike Barron , "Prown, Lise" , "stevenj@aumfidelity.com" , miker , Funkhouser , kdawson , lgtigger , rivetmus , rmcminn , mikentamar , dbaldwin , catera , luskin , maxnfam , rocyandfam , djmay75 , mesaymesayme , Brotherman , Brooks Gerarden Subject: Holland Hopson/James Keepnews @ One Station Plaza - 14 April 2G Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Eocg4.0.9u7.01Cvu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13195 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Comrades: Peace be unto you all and gesundheit. It's spring and a young man's fancy -- in our case, two young men's fancies -- turn to improvising music by way of applied electro-acoustical research. Looping, Maxxing, flaxing, stone cold lamping. Ya heard? Please to join us: -> Holland Hopson - soprano saxophone, "little instruments," electronics -> James Keepnews - guitar, bass, electronics -> Friday 14 2000 - 8 PM -> One Station Plaza (a co-operative performance space originally created by Sonny Sharrock - true story) -> 38 North Division Street, Peekskill, NY - one scenic hour north of NYC -> Admission $5 Should you wish to attend and need directions, please contact me at the e-mail address below. Love to see you there, then. Thank you for your attention. _______________________________________________________________________ ~ > -- James Keepnews -- < "Put oneself into a state of intense (.-.) * ignorance and curiosity, and yet ( \ > - Multimedia Yahoo - < see things in advance." - * " > keepnews@node.net < -- Robert Bresson (1901-1999) _______________________________________________________________________ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Mar 31 12:24:39 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA29209; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 12:24:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 12:24:39 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000331171637.20241.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [200.41.57.237] From: "rafa marin" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: RDS 8000 DIGITECH TIME MACHINE HELP!!! Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 09:16:37 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"t2TOE1.0.Yp6.MsDvu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13196 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I would like to know where I can find the schematic of the time machine. Somebody can help me? Thanks. >From: "Depratti, Robert" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" >Subject: RE: RDS 8000 DIGITECH TIME MACHINE HELP!!! >Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 13:20:23 -0500 > > >I have a time machine not a schematic -just finished reading the >message-Bob > > -----Original Message----- > > From: rafa marin > > Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2000 12:53 PM > > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > > Subject: RDS 8000 DIGITECH TIME MACHINE HELP!!! > > > > Hi, I would like to know if you have any sales representative in > > Venezuela, in order to fix my Digitech Time Machine RDS8000 that's not > > working good. > > If' you don't have any representative in my country, I would like that > > you send me an electronic diagram of this device in order to fix it with > > > > another technician. > > Thanks, Rafael Marin. > > > > > > ______________________________________________________ > > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Mar 31 14:20:21 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA24035; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 14:20:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 14:20:21 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38E4F278.B0DAAAB2@ppi2pass.com> Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 10:46:17 -0800 From: Mark Sottilaro Reply-To: msottilaro@ppi2pass.com Organization: PPI X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: MPX-G2 MIDI Synch? References: <035701bf9b12$26b9f160$462cf7c2@abc.zetnet.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"GLYBE3.0.gx3.iAFvu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13197 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hey, thanks for the advice. I'll start saving my pennies! I think I'll probably go with an Echoplex as a second looper (if they ever get here!) and keep my Digitech 2112 for a while. It's a pretty good unit for the money. One question though, with the g2, can you have multipal effects with the 20 sec looping? That would be good. steve lawson wrote: > >I just got an email from Lexicon and they do indeed confirm that the JamMan > >function on the MPX-G2 is MIDI synchable, as is the original JamMan. As > far as > >I can tell, all you'd have to do is send the MIDI out from your drum > >machine/sequencer into a splitter and you'd have two more or less in synch > >loops. > > Ah, that's interesting, as the JamMan can provide MIDI clock info, I'll have > to try driving the G2 with the JamMan.... could be fun! :o) > > >The problem is that it seems that Lexicon wants about $1700 for the MPX-G2 > with > >a foot controller. A bit steep. You could have bought 5 JamMans for that > new > >and had some extra for MacDonalds on the way home. To the people on the > list > >that have it, is it worth it? (not the MacDonalds, the MPX) > > Do NOT get the G2 solely as a loop device - it's a great effect, but not > worth the money. As a multi FX however, I've not come across anything > that's anywhere near as good. I write for Guitarist magazine in the UK and > get to try out every new FX unit on the market, just about, and this is the > best, most versatile, instrument effects unit I've ever tried. If you want > the best, it's worth the $$$$. If you just want something for fun, go for a > floor unit... > > cheers > > Steve > http://www.steve-lawson.co.uk - subscribe to my new mailing list here. > steve@steve-lawson.co.uk > > "I know there's a balance, I see it every time I swing past." > - John Mellencamp -- Mark Sottilaro Professional Publications, Inc 1250 Fifth Ave, Belmont CA 94002 Multimedia Production E-mail: msottilaro@ppi2pass.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Mar 31 17:11:10 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA28199; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 17:11:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 17:11:10 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38E5136E.C5954E1E@ppi2pass.com> Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 13:06:54 -0800 From: Mark Sottilaro Reply-To: msottilaro@ppi2pass.com Organization: PPI X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: OT=Preamp tubes References: <4.1.20000303134401.00a3ca50@realm-of-shade.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"5guAx3.0.os3.UEHvu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13198 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hey, I've got a Digitech 2112 guitar processor, and it uses a pair of 12AX7s in it's preamp stage. I've never replaced them, but I was wondering if any of you guitar kids had opinions about the different types of replacement tubes i.e. Groovetubes. I've heard that sometimes tubes can make a tremendous difference. Any info would be appreciated. Mark