From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Sep 1 00:13:19 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA20180; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 00:13:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 00:13:19 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <004801bef42d$f06c7d20$6dcbaec7@default> From: "The Imberg Family" To: References: Subject: Re: Mr. Bungle anyone? Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 20:56:11 -0700 Organization: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Resent-Message-ID: <"tHUxn.0.PI4.nJApt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7903 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Prince wrote the song. Sinead covered it and made it famous. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, August 30, 1999 9:54 PM Subject: Re: Mr. Bungle anyone? > I though that "Nothing Compares 2 U" was a Sinead O'Connor song. > > > > In a message dated 8/30/99 7:48:45 PM !!!First Boot!!!, zebu@mindspring.com > writes: > > << Their opening song was a spot-on cover of Prince's "Nothing Compares To > You" (or is it "2 U"?). >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Sep 1 09:37:01 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA08048; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 09:37:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 09:37:01 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990901132720.48290.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [165.227.137.202] From: "David Potter" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Opcode says they have never heard of the Echoplex Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 06:27:19 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"zt8nl2.0.iO1.TdIpt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7904 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I heard they are moving again... to California...Palo Alto??? >From: "Travis Hartnett" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Subject: Re: Opcode says they have never heard of the Echoplex >Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 16:30:13 -0500 > >I'd have to say that Gibson/Oberheim hasn't been tremendously responsive to >date. Perhaps they're moving office. Again. >I just called Gibson, and was passed to the voice mail of a Michael >Something. I left a message asking for an update on production status, >etc. >If you call Gibson, I'd suggest hitting option 3 for Customer Relations, >and >then asking to talk to someone about buying a new Echoplex and see what >happens. > >TH > >---------- >From: Jonathan El-Bizri >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Subject: Opcode says they have never heard of the Echoplex >Date: Tue, Aug 31, 1999, 3:38 PM > > > >I just talked to a rep at Opcode who told me that the >Oberheim/Gibson/Opcode >merger never actually took place, and that they aren't going to be >releasing >the echoplex any time soon, or at all, since they've never heard of it. > >Does >anyone< know what the real deal is? I'm absolutely sick of waiting >for these to come out. > >All together now: > >Everyone call Gibson at 1-800-4GIBSON > >then call Opcode at (650) 429-2400 >bIz > > >-----Original Message----- >From: sooh [mailto:sooh@direct.ca] >Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 1999 2:37 PM >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Subject: > >help i am looking for an obreheim digital echoplex really badly. I'm in >canada and gibson up here is useless! could anyone help >thanx sean >vancesean@hotmail.com > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Sep 1 10:35:15 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA21989; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 10:35:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 10:35:15 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199909011418.HAA11256@scv1.apple.com> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 09:18:33 -0500 Subject: FS: PDS 8000 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: "Looper's Delight" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"OZlZJ.0.aU4.CNJpt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7905 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com from Harmony Central, Digitech's old 8 second delay pedal: Dealer Ad: PDS-8000, WH-1 whammy, 5 Pearl pedals and more Asking Price: US$N/A Condition: Mint Age: N/A Description: Many new items in stock, please email us for the updated FX list. Digitech PDS-8000 Digitech WH-1 whammy 1970 Univox Univibe Pearl distortion, overdrive, octaver, compressor and chorus!!! email us with your want list and we do have guitars and amps in stock too, so email us for our complete inventory!!! Thanks Seller: Pro Analog, 317-824-0574 E-mail: proanalog@aol.com (Profile) ICQ#: 7846169 Post Date: 8/31/99 From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Sep 1 11:47:18 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA07293; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 11:47:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 11:47:18 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 16:36:38 +0100 (BST) From: Jim Carter To: list server loopers delight Subject: Selling Oberhiem Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"0F2Hc3.0.OC1.kXKpt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7907 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com For years I have never seen a scrap of Oberhiem kit for sale in the UK (bar the odd S/H Matrix1000). Suddenly, as soon as I hear Oberhiem are defunked I find several shops carrying just about their entire range; keyboards, sounds mods., even guitar processors (everything but an Echoplex) and some of it advertised as "factory direct" - what factory. Looking very closely at the pictures in the adverts I notice that the guitar processors, at least, are manufactures by Oberheim/Viscount. I think the later are an Italian electronics company. Anyone got an explanation?? Jim Carter Bristol BS8 1TS UK Tel - 0117 9289934 FAX - 0117 9293746 e-mail jim.carter@bris.ac.uk From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Sep 1 11:52:54 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA08736; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 11:52:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 11:52:54 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Reply-To: From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: Subject: RE: Opcode says they have never heard of the Echoplex Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 08:20:43 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <19990901132720.48290.qmail@hotmail.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: <"_IEaw.0.A5.-DKpt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7906 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com That's where they where supposed to move the last time - to Opcode. It's just down the street from my house. bIz -----Original Message----- From: David Potter [mailto:papadave55@hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 1999 6:27 AM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Opcode says they have never heard of the Echoplex I heard they are moving again... to California...Palo Alto??? >From: "Travis Hartnett" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Subject: Re: Opcode says they have never heard of the Echoplex >Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 16:30:13 -0500 > >I'd have to say that Gibson/Oberheim hasn't been tremendously responsive to >date. Perhaps they're moving office. Again. >I just called Gibson, and was passed to the voice mail of a Michael >Something. I left a message asking for an update on production status, >etc. >If you call Gibson, I'd suggest hitting option 3 for Customer Relations, >and >then asking to talk to someone about buying a new Echoplex and see what >happens. > >TH > >---------- >From: Jonathan El-Bizri >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Subject: Opcode says they have never heard of the Echoplex >Date: Tue, Aug 31, 1999, 3:38 PM > > > >I just talked to a rep at Opcode who told me that the >Oberheim/Gibson/Opcode >merger never actually took place, and that they aren't going to be >releasing >the echoplex any time soon, or at all, since they've never heard of it. > >Does >anyone< know what the real deal is? I'm absolutely sick of waiting >for these to come out. > >All together now: > >Everyone call Gibson at 1-800-4GIBSON > >then call Opcode at (650) 429-2400 >bIz > > >-----Original Message----- >From: sooh [mailto:sooh@direct.ca] >Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 1999 2:37 PM >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Subject: > >help i am looking for an obreheim digital echoplex really badly. I'm in >canada and gibson up here is useless! could anyone help >thanx sean >vancesean@hotmail.com > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Sep 1 14:00:46 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA07641; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 14:00:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 14:00:46 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: cbm@mail.well.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 09:25:13 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Chris Muir Subject: Re: Selling Oberhiem Resent-Message-ID: <"QoKJF.0.I56.lgLpt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7908 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 8:36 AM -0700 9/1/99, Jim Carter wrote: >For years I have never seen a scrap of Oberhiem kit for sale >in the UK (bar the odd S/H Matrix1000). Suddenly, as soon as >I hear Oberhiem are defunked I find several shops carrying >just about their entire range; keyboards, sounds mods., >even guitar processors (everything but an Echoplex) and some of it >advertised as "factory direct" - what factory. >Looking very closely at the pictures in the adverts I notice >that the guitar processors, at least, are manufactures by >Oberheim/Viscount. I think the later are an Italian electronics >company. > >Anyone got an explanation?? Gibson sold the Oberheim name to Vicount. Vicount is an Italian company that was already designing and manufacturing some of the Oberheim line, such as the drawbar organ thing and the digital pianos. I think that they got the rights to everything except the Echoplex. Chris _________________________________________________________ The optimist sees a glass half full... | Chris Muir The pessimist sees a glass half empty... | cbm@well.com The realist sees a glass twice as big as it needs to be. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Sep 1 15:24:01 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA29788; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 15:24:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 15:24:01 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: From: David Kirkdorffer To: "'Jonathan El-Bizri'" , Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: Opcode & Echoplex = NOT -- the EDP's at another division of G ibson now Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 14:44:21 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2524.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <"gwio_1.0._-4.LKNpt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7909 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com OK What I hear is that OPCODE are not involved in any EDP dealings now. Another Gibson division is picking up the EDP slack. The same issues of sourcing parts and setting-up shop are being investigated by this other Gibson subsidiary. What happened to OPCODE? I have no idea. To me it doesn't matter. I wish them well. So. 1) There's no point in bugging OPCODE -- they're no longer in the mix. 2) Stay tuned, news may be coming soon (I hope). Informationally, David Kirkdorffer From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Sep 1 17:32:03 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA00521; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 17:32:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 17:32:03 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199909012043.QAA19794@rosy.yourwebhost.com> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 17:44:10 -0600 Subject: Re: Opcode & Echoplex = NOT -- the EDP's at another division of G ibson now From: "Sebastian Woscoboinik" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Infomail-Id: 936218463.3AD101AC1E039E.38463 Resent-Message-ID: <"Dtg0N.0.vr4.h_Opt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7910 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com ---------- From: Michael Ayers To: 'Sebastian Woscoboinik' Subject: RE: From Argentina Date: Mon, Aug 9, 1999, 9:03 Good morning; Production of the Echoplex is due to be back up sometime this Autumn. What are the problems with your Echoplex? -----Original Message----- From: Sebastian Woscoboinik [mailto:sdw@satlink.com] Sent: Friday,August 06,1999 2:41 PM To: mayers@gibson.com Subject: From Argentina Hi! Mike, I'm from Argentina. I'm an Echoplex user. I have two, but one of these have some problems. 1srt question is. When I can buy one echoplex again? (It's out of production or not?) 2nd question is My problems with echoplex have solutions or not? Thanks sebastian From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Sep 1 18:01:14 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA07261; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 18:01:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 18:01:14 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <37CD9807.A269A2C8@webms.com> Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 14:17:59 -0700 From: paul buelow Organization: WebMS X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Opcode & Echoplex = NOT -- the EDP's at another division of Gibson now References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"UbMvx.0.gy6.QSPpt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7912 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Dave is correct according to rumors at the nearby Wagon Wheel restaurant hangout where some Opcodians eat lunch. Yes it's the same wagon wheel where the first computer IC was rumored to have been skectched out. Opcode will not be manufacturing the echoplex. Gibson is investigating? Opcode is slimmer but doing fine and they are located in Mountain View, CA. on Middlefield Road. They have a new lower price scheme for Studio Vision and Dave O is still lead programmer Studio Vision code. There have been no updates to Vision for PC since the first update to 2.55 or something like that. There are no other plans for PC sequencing support updates. They do however make some very nice PC midi interfaces. Paul deBenedictus still works there. PdB was an original member of Opcode and the Product Manager for Studio Vision for a long time and I believe he is in marketing now. Call him he would to love to hear from all of you. A recent spinoff called zerocrossing didn't go according to this report from Doug Wyatt the creator of OMS http://www.sonosphere.com/doug/index.html Doug is probably on this list... So don't bug Opcode about the echoplex. If you do want to call them the numbers are General 650-429-2300 Tech support 650-429-2439 9am-12 & 2-5pm David Kirkdorffer wrote: > > OK > > What I hear is that OPCODE are not involved in any EDP dealings now. > > Another Gibson division is picking up the EDP slack. The same issues of > sourcing parts and setting-up shop are being investigated by this other > Gibson subsidiary. What happened to OPCODE? I have no idea. To me it > doesn't matter. I wish them well. > > So. > > 1) There's no point in bugging OPCODE -- they're no longer in the mix. > 2) Stay tuned, news may be coming soon (I hope). > > Informationally, > > David Kirkdorffer From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Sep 1 22:38:52 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA06250; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 22:38:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 22:38:52 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <002101bef4e6$a452d560$bd6fc8d0@computer> From: "postaldave" To: "Loopers" Subject: Loopers here I come. Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 21:58:22 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"QoHgm2.0.iG7.4eTpt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7913 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com About a month ago I saw a guy do a set with just him and his 6 sting martin. He was a great player and a singer but he was doing a bunch of really cool stuff. He first would lay down a a high hat feel on his guitar and it keeped on going. then he would but in a bass beat and last a snare hit. by the time he got done it sounded like a whole band, i was most impressed. so my journey began I had to get whatever he was using. whoever is responsible for the looper's page i found i thank you. it was most informative. after reading most of what was available i had choosen the boomerang. I had a lot of trouble finding one once i wanted to purchase one. many of the sites listed on the boomerang homepage didn't have boomerang's for sale on their web page or wouldn't return the email i sent them. I still wanted one so I turned to this email group. WOW what a response you all are really great. many thanks to all of you. in about a week i will get my first looping machine a new boomerang. I am most excited. of all the place many of you sent me here are the two best that were found. If you your thinking about getting one give these guys a call. http://www.robbsmusic.com/ this is were I bought mine they have three left and sale them for $425. Brad Campen also sells boomerangs and has them at a great price. Musician's Workshop bradcampen@hotmail.com Gainesville, FL From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Sep 1 22:38:55 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA06255; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 22:38:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 22:38:55 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <37CDE053.79F6C90C@apex.net> Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 21:26:32 -0500 From: James Devillez Reply-To: grndflor@apex.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V99 #353 References: <199909011838.OAA17607@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------5712F2F16B0931D8B1B2F588" Resent-Message-ID: <"qu_t23.0.La.wxTpt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7915 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com --------------5712F2F16B0931D8B1B2F588 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Loopers-Delight-d-request@annihilist.com kflint@annihilist.com > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > Subject: Re: boomerang > Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 13:49:18 -0700 (PDT) > From: chris lujan > > I got my Boomerang(1 minute) at Guitar Center for $350. You just have > to know who to talk to and how to sweet talk them. ooohhh sweet talk? what da ya say? > > Subject: Opcode says they have never heard of the Echoplex Not surprising>> > Subject: something of interest... > Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 14:26:12 -0700 (PDT) > From: James Pearce > > ...to some of you on this list (hope so)---- > > VOICED AT: > > INTRO: One of the masters of an Armenian wind > instrument called the "duduk" (doo-'dook) is taking > his music to a wider audience. Djivan Gasparyan (jee- > 'vahn gah-spahr-ee-'ahn) records melodies for movie > sound tracks. As Mike O'Sullivan reports, he also > collaborates with a Western jazz artist to extend the > range of the traditional instrument... > I will make it a point to look to listen_____ > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > Subject: Gibson update > Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 16:18:24 -0700 > From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" I just talked to a > customer support rep at Gibson who seemed a little more > in the know. He said he was talking to one of the hardware developers > working on the echoplex, and that as of 2 weeks ago the developer was > able > to get hold of an original EDP to make a schematic from. I find that kind of 'wild ' that they lost it. > > S > bject: Interesting item on eBay web site item#153704042: Roberts Roto-Neck Guitar Limited Edition #35 > > Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 16:48:58 -0700 (PDT) > From: tcn62@ici.net > > Have any of you ever seen one of these bizarre creatures? huhuhhhunuh..if ever ther was a string instrument that could make me want to get into frying my credit card__this would be it...2 much! that's getting up into the "Stick " catagory at a different angle and then running it through the echo, along with the jamdudedvortex..whew, what a sound thanks..i'm watching the bidding now.. > > > Title of item: Roberts Roto-Neck Guitar Limited Edition #35 > Seller: pawnbroker@mindspring.com > Starts: 08/27/99, 10:10:37 PDT > Ends: 09/03/99, 10:10:37 PDT > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=153704042 > > > > > Subject: RE: Gibson update > Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 22:52:23 -0400 > From: "Future Perfect" > > Well, in the mean time, what about the Echoplex upgrade???? ETA???? > is there something i don't know about? Later,later__just call me J --------------5712F2F16B0931D8B1B2F588 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit  

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Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 13:49:18 -0700 (PDT)
From: chris lujan <crlujan@yahoo.com>

I got my Boomerang(1 minute) at Guitar Center for $350. You just have
to know who to talk to and how to sweet talk them.

ooohhh sweet talk?  what da ya say?

Subject: Opcode says they have never heard of the Echoplex
Not surprising>>
Subject: something of interest...
Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 14:26:12 -0700 (PDT)
From: James Pearce <jamesrp@statenet.com> 
...to some of you on this list (hope so)----

VOICED AT:

INTRO:  One of the masters of an Armenian wind 
instrument called the "duduk" (doo-'dook) is taking 
his music to a wider audience.  Djivan Gasparyan (jee-
'vahn gah-spahr-ee-'ahn) records melodies for movie 
sound tracks.  As Mike O'Sullivan reports, he also 
collaborates with a Western jazz artist to extend the 
range of the traditional instrument...<snip>
I will make it a point to look to listen_____ 





Subject: Gibson update

Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 16:18:24 -0700

From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" <jbiz@linkexchange.com>I
just talked to a customer support rep at Gibson who seemed a little more

in the know. He said he was talking to one of the hardware developers

working on the echoplex, and that as of 2 weeks ago the developer was able

to get hold of an original EDP to make a schematic from.

I find that kind of 'wild ' that they lost it.

 

Subject: Interesting item on eBay web site item#153704042:
Roberts Roto-Neck Guitar Limited Edition #35

Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 16:48:58 -0700 (PDT)

From: tcn62@ici.net

Have any of you ever seen one of these bizarre creatures?

huhuhhhunuh..if ever ther was a string instrument that could make me want
to get into frying my credit card__this would be it...2 much! that's getting
up into the "Stick " catagory at a different angle and then running it
through the echo, along with the jamdudedvortex..whew, what a sound

thanks..i'm watching the bidding now..





Title of item:  Roberts Roto-Neck Guitar Limited Edition #35

Seller: pawnbroker@mindspring.com

Starts: 08/27/99, 10:10:37 PDT

Ends:   09/03/99, 10:10:37 PDT

      http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=153704042








Subject: RE: Gibson update

Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 22:52:23 -0400

From: "Future Perfect" <artmusic@gte.net>

Well, in the mean time, what about the Echoplex upgrade???? ETA????



is there something i don't know about?

Later,later__just call me J

 



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The gentleman's name at Gibson that handles the Oberheim Echoplex EDP is 
Michael Ayers.  He told me that there was some renovating being done on the 
manufacturing operation, and that some changes were being made in the 
marketing of the Oberheim line, and that it would be at least 2-3 months 
before EDP's would be shipping again.

Regards, Wayne Wesley Johnson

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At 14:17 -0700 9/1/99, paul buelow wrote:
> A recent spinoff called zerocrossing didn't go

Uh..... hmm.....
Yeah.

> according
> to this report from Doug Wyatt the creator of OMS
> http://www.sonosphere.com/doug/index.html Doug is
> probably on this list...

Guilty as charged :)  Hi Paul!

I'm now at Beatnik so today I tried sonifying my main page, 
http://www.sonosphere.com/

Doug

-- 
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Saludos de la frontera!

I have a question for those of you with experience in MD recording:

Is it ABSOLUTELY crucial when making backup copies of MDs to record them
digitally via the optical output and input?  Is there noticeable audible
difference by going through the line outs of one MD machine into the line
ins of another MD machine?

I have experience with DATs, and can hear no difference between an original
DAT and the copy made via the line outs and line ins.  This must mean that
the D/A and A/D converters are good in the Sony DAT machines I use.  I
wondered if the (much cheaper) MD technology would be about the same.  One
can get a Sony MD deck for just under $200, but without optical output.  

Thanks.
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Dear Dave,

    Check out http://www.wmcworld.com  you'll want to use their 800-number 
and call it in, because they only have 2 people that deal with the email at 
this time.  Got mine for $425.00.

    Lee-ohki.

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In a message dated 08/31/1999 2:02:49 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
subversive@mindspring.com writes:

<< pawmgt@aol.com >>
Try out Chuck Levin's http://www.wmcworld.com and you'll want to give them a 
jingle via the phone, vs. sending email.
Then there's Atomic Music at http://www.smellygig.com/atomic/  they may or 
may not have one in stock.
Other places are of course Sam Ash at http://www.samash.com/
Used Gear By Mail at http://www.ugbm.com/ubmhome.shtml
If you're needing to upgrade the memory of an existing unit, then you'll 
probably want to go through Price Watch at http://www.pricewatch.com  

Hope this helps out.
Tchus,

    Lee-ohki.

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The Cucurullo looping album is called:
"Warren Cucurullo: MACHINE LANGUAGE" on Imago recordings.
I've been looking for a copy (a friend has one).
It sounded kind of ambient and some tracks you'd never guess in a
million years that it's an electric guitar you are hearing.

Okay - here's the deal.  I was playing around with my Roland VS-840
workstation.  As most people know, it comes equipped with a Roland 
COSM effects preamp.  One of the features in this preamp is a rather
nice delay effect, but I finally got down to programming it - you can
actually use the VS-840 as a combination audio mixer, 8-track digital
recorder and multi-effector!  I think most people buy it as a home 
recording unit, but it can do so much more.

I found the delay is rather nice.  Once you pump it up to full length
and a rather nice reneration, you can get really nice loopage going.

Since all the FX of the COSM preamp are available, you can use those
in addition to the delay as well.

More later as I explore the device....

Todd Madson
Musician, Mountain Biker, Stunt Kite Flyer, BeOS/MacOS/Linux/WinNt user.
http://www.waste.org/~crash/index.html

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"Michael S. Yoder"  wrote:

>Saludos de la frontera!
>
>I have a question for those of you with experience in MD recording:
>
>Is it ABSOLUTELY crucial when making backup copies of MDs to record them
>digitally via the optical output and input?  Is there noticeable audible
>difference by going through the line outs of one MD machine into the line
>ins of another MD machine?
>
>I have experience with DATs, and can hear no difference between an original
>DAT and the copy made via the line outs and line ins.  This must mean that
>the D/A and A/D converters are good in the Sony DAT machines I use.  I
>wondered if the (much cheaper) MD technology would be about the same.  One
>can get a Sony MD deck for just under $200, but without optical output.

This is an interesting question.

MDs perform their magic using a "lossy" compression that throws away
most of the raw sonic information received to compress the bandwidth
and fit all that sound onto that little disk.

The ATRAC encoding is very sophisticated and uses multiple
strategies to make sure that most of the information lost
is information that you could never possibly hear.

But information is lost on each encoding->decoding step.
This will snowball and after several generations, you'll
start to hear artefacts.  So I'd reckon, I've never tried
it, but this is universal to lossy compression methods.

Note that this will happen whether or not you go through
an analog stage.  And, as Michael says, a careful and
accurate analog copy is pretty indistinguishably close
to the original.


BUT, I'd still go with the digital I/O if you have
another device that reads it.  It's just far simpler
to make an exact digital copy than an exact analog copy.

Setting your levels wrong is a classic way to lose
bandwidth on a copy, not a problem with digital.

Crosstalk or hum from other channels or instruments,
static electricity, these are all things that have
ruined analog copies of mine in the past.

With digital, you plug them in and press record.
End of story.  No work.


This is terribly off-topic of course.

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IMHO: If you have the choice between D->D copying or
D->A->D  ALWAYS take the D->D copy.  You may not notice
a great deal of generation loss at first, but it's there.

D->D recording is completely LOSSLESS, meaning you can
make 100 generations of copies without ever hearing the
slightest hiss, but just the mere fact of going through a 
digital:analog converter, and then back again analog:digital
gives you a much wider sensitivity to distortion, hiss, electronic 
buzz, the truck passing by with his CB going too hot as he
screams "BREAKER BREAKER! DID YOU SEE THAT 
HOOCHIE MAMA?! WHOOOAH", etc..

Test the theory if you must..  Take 2 Sony MD's, go line-out to line-in
and make a copy.  Turn it around and copy the copy, again, again,
again until you hear the hiss.  Now try it digital -> digital and note
that the sound never alters from the original.

Ken

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Ken wrote:

>Test the theory if you must..  Take 2 Sony MD's, go line-out to line-in
>and make a copy.  Turn it around and copy the copy, again, again,
>again until you hear the hiss.  Now try it digital -> digital and note
>that the sound never alters from the original.

now, if you have those two minidisk players with digital I/O
you could try this experiment, copying a very short segment digitally
but making 5 or 10 generations, and we could see what happens.

my claim is that there would be degeneration due to the ATRAC
compression/ decompression stage...

but I have no actual data to back this up!

	/t

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>IMHO: If you have the choice between D->D copying or
>D->A->D  ALWAYS take the D->D copy.  You may not notice
>a great deal of generation loss at first, but it's there.

well, there will be generational loss even in an
uncompressed digital transfer, due to jitter or
just errors.  the error correction will handle
*nearly all* of them...


>going through a
>digital:analog converter, and then back again analog:digital
>gives you a much wider sensitivity to distortion, hiss, electronic
>buzz

much as I love digital, I can't really agree with this.

if your levels are set properly, there should be little or
no noise added.  the d/a/d sections on a professional or
semi-professional machine will be better than 90dB, so if they
were the only problem you could make a hundred generations before
getting to the level of an analog mastering deck or a million
generations before getting down to the level of a good cassette deck.

You'd be much more likely to get noise from other sources
interfering with your copies between the two conversion sections.

>
>Test the theory if you must..  Take 2 Sony MD's, go line-out to line-in
>and make a copy.  Turn it around and copy the copy, again, again,
>again until you hear the hiss.  Now try it digital -> digital and note
>that the sound never alters from the original.
>
>Ken

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Mikey posed a good question on MD's and let me follow up by clarifying.

I'm going to give him source material on MD that he's going to add to.  In a
past life, we've worked together before.  Now, he lives in Texas, i live in
Denver.  I'm going to send him discs.  Obviously, i want to back up my work
before trusting it to snail-mail.  I'm working with the portable Sharp MD
MS-702.  The problem is:  How to best backup the discs?  Clearly, it seems
that its BEST (in terms of the quality of the backup) to copy the discs to
another MD player.  The problem is that i don't have a second unit, funds
are tight, blah blah, blah.  The inability to make backups could delay the
project anywhere from weeks to a couple of months (when my piggy-bank fills
back up).

We're wondering:
1.  What are the "best" options for backing up these MDs?  It would seem
that the "best" (highest quality of sound) option is to have TWO MD
recorders (i have one).  Are there any other options that come VERY CLOSE to
this one?
2.  If i need to get a second disc player, MUST it be another MS-702, or
will any second deck do?  Anything propreitary about the Sharp format that
say, a Sony MD deck couldn't read?
3.  Is there any risk to the data on an MD by sending it thru the mail?  Are
there any precautions that we can take?

I think that about sums it up.  Sorry to be OT.  We get lots of good info
from knowledgeable people on this board!

Cheers!
Jim.

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hello all,
i did a show in atlanta a couple weeks ago and a cool guy by the name of tod 
recorded me and posted it on his live at dottie's series page.........check 
it out..........it's just one guitar a beatbox lots of effects and a jamman.
http://www.abl.com/at/
scroll down to the electric bird noise portion
bye for now
brian

electric bird noise
http://members.aol.com/ebnoise/index.html

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Kim's beloved PMC 10, with the programmer.


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Hey -anyone on the list handy with Max?I need some help. thanks K

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Yeah, yeah!!  I used my VS-880 effects all the time (and currently the 
effects in the Korg D-8).  Some of the best around, especially the COSM.

Bill "hawkeye'

keep on keepin' on....

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> I'm going to give him source material on MD that he's going to add to.  In a
> past life, we've worked together before.  Now, he lives in Texas, i live in
> Denver.  I'm going to send him discs.  Obviously, i want to back up my work
> before trusting it to snail-mail.  I'm working with the portable Sharp MD
> MS-702.  The problem is:  How to best backup the discs?  Clearly, it seems
> that its BEST (in terms of the quality of the backup) to copy the discs to
> another MD player.  The problem is that i don't have a second unit, funds
> are tight, blah blah, blah.  The inability to make backups could delay the
> project anywhere from weeks to a couple of months (when my piggy-bank fills
> back up).

How about this plan:

1) keep your minidisc as a track master

2) copy the minidisc to tape and send the tape to your collaborator

3) your collaborator uses your tape to monitor your sound while recording his
own tracks independently to a separate minidisc, then sends you the minidisc.
So basically all he used your recording for was to monitor.

4) provided you have a four-track or computer mixing software you can then
record from your track master, then from his track master, and then mix down
the resulting four tracks to a final master.

The only difficulty is synchronizing the two tracks, but if you put some tempo
clicks at the beginning of the recording and then have him emulate the clicks
on his recording it's not insurmountable, especially if you are using a
computer.

Anyway, good luck!

Tim


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Check out the plan below:  it doesn't require you to get a second minidisc
recorder.  It's looks a little freaky at first but bear with me 'til the end:

1) keep your minidisc as a track master.  copy the minidisc to tape, then use
the same tape recorder (to preserve tempo) to copy it another minidisc, and
send the new minidisc to your collaborator.

2) your collaborator copies your minidisc to tape, then using the same tape
player (again, to preserve tempo), he monitors what you've done and records
his tracks, without your sounds, independently to his minidisc, then sends you
the minidisc of his isolated sounds.  Since all he's using the tape for is to
monitor you the quality doesn't have to be sterling.

So by this step you will have two minidiscs:  your track master and his track
master.

3) provided you have a four-track recorder or computer mixing software you can
then
record to it first from your track master, then from his track master, and
then mix down
the resulting four tracks to a final mixed master recording.

(The only difficulty is time-synchronizing the two recordings, but if you put
some tempo
clicks at the beginning of the recording in step (1) and then have him emulate
those clicks
when he records in step (2) it's not insurmountable, especially if you are
using a
computer.  You could do 8 clicks of the same tempo on your recording, then
have him click along to the last 4 in his recording.  It's cheap but
effective.  They don't have to be in time with the song, they just have to be
in synch with each other for the purposes of synchronizing the tracks in the
final mixdown.)

If you don't have a 4-track recorder or a good enough computer to do step (3)
above, you could try this:

1)  copy the minidisc to tape and send him the tape
2)  he monitors you with the tape and records his isolated sounds to a
minidisc and sends you his minidisc
3)  you play back his sounds and re-record your own sounds "live", then catch
both your and his sounds on tape.

All this requires is that each of you have both a minidisc recorder and a tape
recorder.  In either case, your collaborator is only using your sounds to
monitor so the quality doesn't have to be perfect.

Hoping this helps a little,
Tim

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> Mikey posed a good question on MD's and let me follow up by clarifying.
>
> I'm going to give him source material on MD that he's going to add to.  In a
> past life, we've worked together before.  Now, he lives in Texas, i live in
> Denver.  I'm going to send him discs.  Obviously, i want to back up my work
> before trusting it to snail-mail.  I'm working with the portable Sharp MD
> MS-702.  The problem is:  How to best backup the discs?  Clearly, it seems
> that its BEST (in terms of the quality of the backup) to copy the discs to
> another MD player.  The problem is that i don't have a second unit, funds
> are tight, blah blah, blah.  The inability to make backups could delay the
> project anywhere from weeks to a couple of months (when my piggy-bank fills
> back up).
>
> We're wondering:
> 1.  What are the "best" options for backing up these MDs?  It would seem
> that the "best" (highest quality of sound) option is to have TWO MD
> recorders (i have one).  Are there any other options that come VERY CLOSE to
> this one?
> 2.  If i need to get a second disc player, MUST it be another MS-702, or
> will any second deck do?  Anything propreitary about the Sharp format that
> say, a Sony MD deck couldn't read?
> 3.  Is there any risk to the data on an MD by sending it thru the mail?  Are
> there any precautions that we can take?
>
> I think that about sums it up.  Sorry to be OT.  We get lots of good info
> from knowledgeable people on this board!
>
> Cheers!
> Jim.
>
>


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Hola-

Thought I would give a recommendation for the great Minidisc community page.

Enjoy.

http://www.minidisc.org/


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> I'm going to give him source material on MD that he's going to add to.  In a
> past life, we've worked together before.  Now, he lives in Texas, i live in
> Denver.  I'm going to send him discs.  Obviously, i want to back up my work
> before trusting it to snail-mail.  I'm working with the portable Sharp MD
> MS-702.  The problem is:  How to best backup the discs?  Clearly, it seems
> that its BEST (in terms of the quality of the backup) to copy the discs to
> another MD player.  The problem is that i don't have a second unit, funds
> are tight, blah blah, blah.  The inability to make backups could delay the
> project anywhere from weeks to a couple of months (when my piggy-bank fills
> back up).

How about this plan:

1) keep your minidisc as a track master.  copy the minidisc to tape, then use
the same tape recorder (to preserve tempo) to copy it another minidisc, and
send the new minidisc to your collaborator.

2) your collaborator copies your minidisc to tape, then using the same tape
player (again, to preserve tempo), he monitors what you've done and records
his tracks, without your sounds, independently to his minidisc, then sends you
the minidisc of his isolated sounds.  Since all he's using the tape for is to
monitor you the quality doesn't have to be sterling.

So by this step you will have two minidiscs:  your track master and his track
master.

3) provided you have a four-track or computer mixing software you can then
record to it first from your track master, then from his track master, and
then mix down
the resulting four tracks to a final mixed master recording.

(The only difficulty is time-synchronizing the two recordings, but if you put
some tempo
clicks at the beginning of the recording in step (1) and then have him emulate
those clicks
when he records in step (2) it's not insurmountable, especially if you are
using a
computer.  You could do 8 clicks of the same tempo on your recording, then
have him click along to the last 4 in his recording.  It's cheap but
effective.  They don't have to be in time with the song, they just have to be
in synch with each other for the purposes of synchronizing the tracks in the
final mixdown.)

If you don't have a 4-track or a good enough computer to do step (3) above,
you could try this:

1)  copy the minidisc to tape and send him the tape
2)  he monitors you with the tape and records his isolated sounds to a
minidisc and sends you his minidisc
3)  you play back his sounds and re-record your own sounds "live", then catch
both your and his sounds on tape.

All this requires is that each of you have both a minidisc recorder and a tape
recorder.  In either case, your collaborator is only using your sounds to
monitor so the quality doesn't have to be perfect.

Good luck!
Tim


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i spoke with a friend of mine, dave lewis at "pianos and stuff", a very nice 
store here in the pittsburgh area........they list their  rangs for $419.00 
and will ship anywhere.......i asked if they would consider a group buy and 
he said "gladly".......he also said that you could lay the rang away at the 
group price (if one comes up thats exceptable) i think till december, dave 
would have those details........if there is any interest around this, let me 
know........all i get out of it is the joy of knowing that there are more 
rangs out there and a very small island............:).............daves phone 
number is 412-828-1003........tell him you are interested in the LD members 
or whatever we are group buy........ill check back with him in about a week 
and see what the response was and get the final (rock bottom) 
price........let me know.......michael

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someone said (god knows who) ...

>text/plain; 	charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit  IMHO: If
>you have the choice between D->D copying or D->A->D  ALWAYS take the D->D
>copy.  You may not notice a great deal of generation loss at first, but
>it's there.  D->D recording is completely LOSSLESS, meaning you can make
>100 generations of copies without ever hearing the slightest hiss, but just
>the mere fact of going through a  digital:analog converter, and then back

etc on to other stuff, mainly the minidisc losing in the audio hardware.

I just wanted to clarify the posting that this was a response to (not my
post, but I have a nice example).  In addition to any loss you get in going
to hardware, you'll get the compression error.  Here's a way to look at it.

JPG compression is lossy compression.  Take a photo and save it in photoshop
at, say, 6, which is good quality.  Now close the window and reload the
file, and save it again at JPG.  Repeat.  Soon, if you look closely, or
later, if you don't, you will be able to actually see the differences.

(I feel it's easier to illustrate with pictures.  Easier to compare.)

That is what the compression side of minidisc does upon copies, as the
compressed file is rendered to raw form, then compressed again on the
recording side.  Add that to the analog errors.  Doesn't seem the best plan 
for making copies.

-- 
The Grendel (ambient/signal music) page will be dead, because of
the new Yahoo/Geocities TOS, until I can find a new service.
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thanks for sharing this . . .  :)

the novelty of hearing and seeing fellow loopers has still not worn off.


Tom Lambrecht
hideo@concentric.net

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>hello all,
>i did a show in atlanta a couple weeks ago and a cool guy by the name of
tod
>recorded me and posted it on his live at dottie's series page.........check
>it out..........it's just one guitar a beatbox lots of effects and a
jamman.
>http://www.abl.com/at/

SNIP

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Hi folks,

My service provider (globalnet) are crap and don't host real audio logicals
that I need to stream from my webspace..

Question is - is there a way around this - by installing some sort of server
side program to do this?

OR - does anyone know of any free webspace where I can host these tracks
where RA is supported? (where the service provider doesn't have wacky rules
like "We own all your stuff....you're our bitch" type thing.

Do youse bunch prefer MP3 for streaming? Any info on how to stream MP3
appreciated.

Thanks
Anthony

www.wlust.com



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Note to all:

I am no longer working here at Concord Records. To reach Concord's publicity department, please contact them at:

Concord Records
2450-A Stanwell Drive
Concord, CA 94520
phone: 925/682-6770
fax: 925/682-3508

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At 10:21 AM 9/3/99 +0100, you wrote:
>Hi folks,
>
>My service provider (globalnet) are crap and don't host real audio logicals
>that I need to stream from my webspace..
>
>Question is - is there a way around this - by installing some sort of server
>side program to do this?


Yes, you can use HTTP streaming method.
It's documented on Real's WEB site.  I think this URL should
get you there:

     http://service2.real.com/solutions/RAP00623.HTM

For examples of doing this try http://www.studiodust.com/sdmusic.html



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			Playlist for "EMUSIC"

"EMUSIC," an electronic, ambient, and space music show, airs each Thursday
at 11pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in
Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ.  http://www.wdiyfm.org/schedule/s_emusic.html

		Show #130		September 2, 1999.
		Host: Bill Fox		http://www.wdiyfm.org
		billfox@fast.net

		In loving memory of Alvin L. Fox...

On this show, I began a month-long focus on Utah musician Robert Carty.
Though unsigned, Robert releases his music on his CDR label, Deep Sky
Music.  Each CD is individually hand painted by Robert.  The feature CD
at midnight was Darklight.

	Robert Carty  :  http://www.california.com/~eameece/carty.htm
	EMUSIC Focus  :  http://www.wdiyfm.org/emusic/playlists/focus.html

ARTIST                  TRACK                    ALBUM (label)
======================= ======================== =============================
11:00 pm
Team Metlay             Loremarie                Bandwidth (Atomic City)
Andy Pickford           In Silent Vigil          Works II - Live at Derby
                                                 Guildhall (Medusa)
Kevin Keller            Hall of Mirrors         Pendulum (Lektronic Soundscapes)
Meg Bowles              Strange Rapids           From the Dark Earth (Kumatone)
VA [Boots & Marselje]   The Tears from the       The Truth Is Twisted (Groove)
              Insane Bounce Like Bullets Off My Brain
Roger Eno&Lol Hammond   Room Without Lights      Damage (Thirsty Ear)
Ozma                    actualia one       A Huge and Silent Place (Atomic City)
Ozma                    lalande 21185      A Huge and Silent Place (Atomic City)
Vidna Obmana            For Ancient Crossed      Memories Compiled 2 (Projekt)

12:00 am
Robert Carty            Gravitation              Darklight (Deep Sky Music)
Robert Carty            Submerged                Darklight (Deep Sky Music)
Robert Carty            Dark Glow                Darklight (Deep Sky Music)
Robert Carty            Organic Elemental        Darklight (Deep Sky Music)
Robert Carty            Window                   Darklight (Deep Sky Music)
Robert Carty            Sensory Link             Darklight (Deep Sky Music)
Robert Carty            Darkness to Light        Darklight (Deep Sky Music)

1:00 am

 * = exerpt
VA = Various Artists (compilation)

On the next EMUSIC, I will continue the month-long focus on Utah musician
Robert Carty.  This unsigned artist deserves widespread recognition.
The Feature CD at Midnight will be The Mystic Choice.  Eric Mystic, a DJ
and Robert's biggest supporter in the music biz, chose the songs for
this compilation of Robert's work.

Please visit the WDIY web site and navigate through the schedule to the
EMUSIC pages.  Playlists for every show are there.  Hot links to artists
and labels can be found in the monthly focus section.

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In a message dated 02/09/99 19:03:54 GMT Daylight Time, 
James.Lanpheer@cai.com writes:

> that the "best" (highest quality of sound) option is to have TWO MD
>  recorders (i have one).  Are there any other options that come VERY CLOSE 
to
>  this one?
the 702 doesn't have a digital out,
.....so best option is to get a non-portable minidisc player with digital out
(their cheaper than the portables) as (as far as I know) you can't get a 
portable with digital out.

while you will be copying digitally, the copy still won't be exact in the 
same way that
a DAT or CD-R would be, because your signal is going to be decompressed and 
then Re-compressed, so you should keep track of which disc is the original 
and make all copies from that.

Andy Butler.....runs on.....  



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Ok, so I went to the music store to buy strings and there was an individual
selling a large amount of pedal effects, one of which was a pedal by
Electro-Harmonics called the Space Drum(s) (?) - anyone know what the hell
this does? This guy was selling all these to the store so I didn't feel
comfortable about trying to get him outside and sell some to me. I'm sure the
store ripped him off quite well, seeing as the guy didn't even know what any
of teh stuff he was selling did, just wish I coulda hit him up BEFORE he got
inside there.

 [.jamesrp@statenet.com.]

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There's a Lexicon Vortex for sale on Ebay.  The current bid is $26US.  Happy
bidding.

Mark Kata
Shelby Twp., Michigan

http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=157052306

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Anthony Mullen wrote:
> 
> Hi folks,
> 
> My service provider (globalnet) are crap and don't host real audio logicals
> that I need to stream from my webspace..
> 
> Question is - is there a way around this - by installing some sort of server
> side program to do this?
> 

To http stream real audio from any server 

1) Make your .rm file, preferably in encoder 5.0 (most
compatible) at your chosen rate, for example 20/kbs and
save the file i.e. audiofile.rm 

2) Use a text file editor and make a new file that has
the url of the .rm file, for example the file can
inlcude one or more lines that would read
http://www.myserver.com/audiofile.rm save the file as
audiofile.ram

3) Post both files on the server and link to the .ram
file for streaming and the .rm for download. 

General preference:
56k modem users can usually stream a file at 16kbs or
20kbs reasonably. MP3 can also be streamed using a
similar method naming the 'wrapper' file audiofile.m3u 

MP3 is quite good for high quality files or 128kbs and
real audio is very nice for low quality.

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>someone said (god knows who) ...

'twas me

>I just wanted to clarify the posting that this was a response to (not my
>post, but I have a nice example).  In addition to any loss you get in going
>to hardware, you'll get the compression error.  Here's a way to look at it.
>

True, my argument didn't take the MD's compression ratio into account,
it was a more broad stroke answer to what seemed a rather broad
question.

 I interpreted the question as "Is it worth it to do digital copies when I
don't
seem to notice any tangible degredation using analog lines to copy."

And as a broad answer to a broad question, Digital -> Digital copies are
many
orders of magnitude better than going Digital ->Analog / Analog ->Digital.

Of course when talking compression, there's always lossage, BUT... Since
the data is compressed at record time onto the MD, then the D->D transfer
from one deck to another should copy the pre-compressed data so it doesn't
have to go through another compression (I would HOPE this is how it works,
please correct me if I'm wrong).  BUT, if you go from the MD's digital
information
to analog (Uncompress the information, send it through the D:A converter)
and into another MD recorder (Into another A:D converter, and now run
the compressor on the "New" information) You are going to end up with
serious
generation loss after a while.

It's like (Going back to your JPG reference) converting a JPG (Lossy
Compression)
to GIF (Lossless Compression), and then back to JPG.. The image will not
handle
many time doing this without a noticable blurring on the edges of the data.

My last post on this off-topic topic... Glad to debate in e-mail though.

Ken M.
wgold@gnu.ai.mit.edu


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the space drum goes "booooooooooooooo, boooooo, boooooooooooooo" like that
horrible bad co. tune "rock-n-roll fantasy"

a truly creative person could make this useful, but i'm not he.


> Ok, so I went to the music store to buy strings and there was an individual
> selling a large amount of pedal effects, one of which was a pedal by
> Electro-Harmonics called the Space Drum(s) (?) - anyone know what the hell
> this does?

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SoundFNR@aol.com wrote:
>
>but when I recorded grasshoppers at the foot of a cliff
>they somehow got lost, although I could hear them through headphones while
>recording
>there was  alot of other noise about (from the sea) so I guess the ATRAC
>couldn't
>handle it.

that's the classic sort of thing that ATRAC handles badly.
or any compression method for that matter.

if you think that a random string of audio bits would
be the hardest to compress, surf and noise are pretty
damn close to a string of random bits!

	/t

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These are all the questions I was about to ask! Answered! Magic!
I haven't read all of the current thread to "copying minidiscs", but here's
another question: s'poze I make a cool batch of recordings of solo loop
gigs, and then I decide to edit them using Cakewalk or some other fairly
low-budget computer software magic. Can I download the MD to my hard drive
and go at it, then copy my brilliant results onto blank CD's for sale at
exorbitant prices (with beautiful hand-made graphics on the cardboard
jewelbox/envelope)?
And does anyone know where to score those groovy cardboard jewelbox/envelope
thingies, as opposed to the plastic crap which cracks easily, feels ugly,
and probably emits wicked toxins as it degrades?
And by the way, I believe discussion of recording in any medium begs the
comparison to looping, as this exerpt from Ken M's post shows:

"Test the theory if you must..  Take 2 Sony MD's, go line-out to line-in
and make a copy.  Turn it around and copy the copy, again, again,
again until you hear the hiss.  Now try it digital -> digital and note
that the sound never alters from the original."

Looks a lot like looping to me, eh?
Douglas Baldwin, Alpha male Coyote, the Trickster
dbaldwin@suffolk.lib.ny.us

>"Michael S. Yoder"  wrote:
>
>>Saludos de la frontera!
>>
>>I have a question for those of you with experience in MD recording:
>>
>>Is it ABSOLUTELY crucial when making backup copies of MDs to record them
>>digitally via the optical output and input?  Is there noticeable audible
>>difference by going through the line outs of one MD machine into the line
>>ins of another MD machine?
>>
>>I have experience with DATs, and can hear no difference between an
original
>>DAT and the copy made via the line outs and line ins.  This must mean that
>>the D/A and A/D converters are good in the Sony DAT machines I use.  I
>>wondered if the (much cheaper) MD technology would be about the same.  One
>>can get a Sony MD deck for just under $200, but without optical output.
>
>This is an interesting question.
>
>MDs perform their magic using a "lossy" compression that throws away
>most of the raw sonic information received to compress the bandwidth
>and fit all that sound onto that little disk.
>
>The ATRAC encoding is very sophisticated and uses multiple
>strategies to make sure that most of the information lost
>is information that you could never possibly hear.
>
>But information is lost on each encoding->decoding step.
>This will snowball and after several generations, you'll
>start to hear artefacts.  So I'd reckon, I've never tried
>it, but this is universal to lossy compression methods.
>
>Note that this will happen whether or not you go through
>an analog stage.  And, as Michael says, a careful and
>accurate analog copy is pretty indistinguishably close
>to the original.
>
>
>BUT, I'd still go with the digital I/O if you have
>another device that reads it.  It's just far simpler
>to make an exact digital copy than an exact analog copy.
>
>Setting your levels wrong is a classic way to lose
>bandwidth on a copy, not a problem with digital.
>
>Crosstalk or hum from other channels or instruments,
>static electricity, these are all things that have
>ruined analog copies of mine in the past.
>
>With digital, you plug them in and press record.
>End of story.  No work.
>
>
>This is terribly off-topic of course.
>


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.


>About a month ago I saw a guy do a set with just him and his 6 sting
martin.
>He was a great player and a singer but he was doing a bunch of really cool
>stuff. He first would lay down a a high hat feel on his guitar and it
keeped
>on going. then he would but in a bass beat and last a snare hit. by the
time
>he got done it sounded like a whole band, i was most impressed.

So, postaldave, who was this mystery looper? And where did this excellent
looping take place? I am always eager to hear what's being done in this
format, as are many of the other Loopheads.

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>About a month ago I saw a guy do a set with just him and his 6 sting
martin.
>He was a great player and a singer but he was doing a bunch of really cool
>stuff. He first would lay down a a high hat feel on his guitar and it
keeped
>on going. then he would but in a bass beat and last a snare hit. by the
time
>he got done it sounded like a whole band, i was most impressed.

So, postaldave, who was this mystery looper? And where did this excellent
looping take place? I am always eager to hear what's being done in this
format, as are many of the other Loopheads.

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If you still have a problem sending real audio from your
server check to be sure the mime type is defined. 

The real audio files 'mime type' - mail information
multimedia extensions must be defined by the server mime
configuration file. Mime sends the proper file type info
to the requester - your browser to open it with helper
apps. Send a note to the admin asking to edit the server
mime type and add file types for

ra, rm, ram and smil, midi mp3 etc. types 

If the admin is unavailable you can usually overide the
mime type settings by uploading a text file named
.htaccess with proper override mime commands for these
types fo files to the directory where the files are. 

The mime settings, in either the directory's .htaccess
file (that you created) or the servers mime conf file
(that the admin edited) might look something like this,
though I'm not sure I'm doing this from memory and I
don't know what server you use?

allowoverride = yes 
AddType audio/x-pn-realaudio 
AddType audio/x-pn-realaudio-plugin 
AddType audio/x-pn-realaudio ra rm
AddType audio/mpeg mp3 m3u
Action audio/mpeg 
AddType audio/x-midi mid


paul buelow wrote:
> 
> Anthony Mullen wrote:
> >
> > Hi folks,
> >
> > My service provider (globalnet) are crap and don't host real audio logicals
> > that I need to stream from my webspace..
> >
> > Question is - is there a way around this - by installing some sort of server
> > side program to do this?
> >
> 
> To http stream real audio from any server
> 
> 1) Make your .rm file, preferably in encoder 5.0 (most
> compatible) at your chosen rate, for example 20/kbs and
> save the file i.e. audiofile.rm
> 
> 2) Use a text file editor and make a new file that has
> the url of the .rm file, for example the file can
> inlcude one or more lines that would read
> http://www.myserver.com/audiofile.rm save the file as
> audiofile.ram
> 
> 3) Post both files on the server and link to the .ram
> file for streaming and the .rm for download.
> 
> General preference:
> 56k modem users can usually stream a file at 16kbs or
> 20kbs reasonably. MP3 can also be streamed using a
> similar method naming the 'wrapper' file audiofile.m3u
> 
> MP3 is quite good for high quality files or 128kbs and
> real audio is very nice for low quality.

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"So, postaldave, who was this mystery looper? And where did this excellent
looping take place? I am always eager to hear what's being done in this
format, as are many of the other Loopheads."

I don't know his name, it took place at the newsong music festival in
Kentucky a few weeks ago.
The guy was doing a praise and worship set for a high school event. I have
seen some great musician do great P and W sets but this guy was really
great. I do this type of music myself and hope to create some of the same
sounds that he did. only four more days till i get my 'rang. yahoo!!!!!!!!!!

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just thought I'd share that those the first cut each of the Electric Bird
Noise clips and Laswell's Miles remix mix together very nicely . . . (one's
streaming off the computor and one's blasting over the KRK's upstairs)

all the best this Friday--drive safe and be aware of the potato salad

Tom Lambrecht
hideo@concentric.net


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oh yeah . . . the $ 100 Vortex on Harmony is long gone  ;)

but therre's another $400 Jammie on Harmony in the last day or so . . . why
the low price   ?       ;)

word's getting out that the PDS 8000 pedal is the ultimate looper . . .

(Flame shields on FULL)

Tom Lambrecht
hideo@concentric.net


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since Travis is asleep or grilling pork steaks thought I'd post this:

e-mail the seller, not me------as is the custom, offenders will be forced to
listen to Hanson loops

Guitar Effects for Sale:
Asking Price: US$N/A
Condition: Mint
Age: N/A
Description:
Roland Guitar Synth: GK-2A(new),GR-09 w/exp board...$400
Marshall JMP-1: Valve pre-amp.......................$350
Lexicon JamMan w/32sec memory upgrade...............$400
Real Tube Rack pre-amp: RT-902......................$150
BBE 422A Sonic Maximizer............................$100
Furman PL-Plus power conditioner....................$110
Rolls MIDI-buddy: midi footcontroller...............$65
SKB Roto-rack:6 space...............................$60

Plus shipping!!

All of the above equipment is in Excellent condition!!

SNIP

Seller: Robin Ray, 704-522-3699
E-mail: aircooled_twins@yahoo.com (Profile)
Location: CHARLOTTE, NC
Post Date: 9/2/99

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Tom Lambrecht
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>  just thought I'd share that those the first cut each of the Electric Bird
>  Noise clips and Laswell's Miles remix mix together very nicely . . . (one'
>  streaming off the computor and one's blasting over the KRK's upstairs)

iv'e been busted..........i was going for the dark side / wizard of oz 
vibe......just kidding.....thanks for sharing the observation tom!
back to music.....looping ......life...etc.
brian
 
electric bird noise 
live on the web at:    www.abl.com/at/
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Hi Everybody,

    I was doing some research on some places to buy gear,  I have to do
several setups of my basic stuff so cost becomes a factor.  I was
looking at a short list of gear and came up with some surprising
results.

    I was looking at a Guyatone pedal (Wah Rocker), at Gaspedal (a
favored site) it was  $79, at Analog Man it was $ 89.

    I found some Harmony Central reviews and the average price paid was
$ 55.

    Of course 8th St would match anybody's best price, but who else is
selling pedals and other gear at this price point ?

    Any replies would be appreciated.

G. Wong (Fiveman)

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Thanks a lot, Bobdog. Now that song is looping through my head. Please make
it stop. (I think that was a GR-500 on that one, too, not that it makes it
ok...)

If you hooked a space drum to a Boomerang and turned the loop around
backwards, it would go "ooooooob?, ooooooob?, ooooooob?". That wouldn't
really be all that useful either, though.

At 11:46 AM 9/3/99 +0000, you wrote:
>the space drum goes "booooooooooooooo, boooooo, boooooooooooooo" like that
>horrible bad co. tune "rock-n-roll fantasy"

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Anyone have any opinions about this unit? I've seen one used for $410 at
a local music shop.

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Okay, imagine a generic disco song. Do you hear those bulbous sounds that sound
like quick falling smooth synth drums? It's in the rhythm track. (No, they're not
in stayin' alive.) That's what the EH Space Drum is. You can change it so it's a
falling or rising pitch. You can either play it with sticks or run it through an
outside source (like a drum machine or contact mike on a real drum or pad). You
can even mount it on a drum set. EH also made a similar product called the "Panic
Button" that makes higher pitched not as smooth drum sounds of the same type. Heh
heh, I have both!

matt davignon

James Pearce wrote:

> Ok, so I went to the music store to buy strings and there was an individual
> selling a large amount of pedal effects, one of which was a pedal by
> Electro-Harmonics called the Space Drum(s) (?) - anyone know what the hell
> this does? This guy was selling all these to the store so I didn't feel
> comfortable about trying to get him outside and sell some to me. I'm sure the
> store ripped him off quite well, seeing as the guy didn't even know what any
> of teh stuff he was selling did, just wish I coulda hit him up BEFORE he got
> inside there.
>
>  [.jamesrp@statenet.com.]

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If you want, you can make it go "oooob?" by itself by adjusting the dials the
right way.

Then all the dancers go away, one by one.
Your momma stops callin too, but you're not having so much fun anymore.

matt davignon

Tim Nelson wrote:

> Thanks a lot, Bobdog. Now that song is looping through my head. Please make
> it stop. (I think that was a GR-500 on that one, too, not that it makes it
> ok...)
>
> If you hooked a space drum to a Boomerang and turned the loop around
> backwards, it would go "ooooooob?, ooooooob?, ooooooob?". That wouldn't
> really be all that useful either, though.
>
> At 11:46 AM 9/3/99 +0000, you wrote:
> >the space drum goes "booooooooooooooo, boooooo, boooooooooooooo" like that
> >horrible bad co. tune "rock-n-roll fantasy"

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i have one and i love it.  the looping time is very limited, but you can 
really twist a loop once it's in there.  you can even slow it down until it 
stops.  it can do alot of bizarre things well, due to it's ability to set 
parameters far beyond "normal" settings.  more than that, some of the 
effects (reverb and dynamics) are top notch.

a big point against the dp/pro is the *serious* lag time while changing 
presets.  this can really suck live, but in certain applications, like mine, 
it doesn't matter too much.

i'm keeping my eyes open for a second dp/pro if i can get one cheap enough.

matt


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>Anyone have any opinions about this unit? I've seen one used for $410 at
>a local music shop.
>
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Well, it's no big loss, really.  Although most EH pedals had a peculiar
personality, they were all made with shit parts and were very noisy.
Hunting down the same effects by other manufacturers should make up for
most.
	The Space Drum was one of the family of percussive effects.  The Space Drum
was supposed to be played together with the others.  All it does is produce
a sine wave-like pitch-changing note, ostensibly to simulate the way a tabla
player can change the pitch of the drum by moving his hand over the skin
after hitting it.  It had that sensitive pad and you played it with sticks.
The most vociferous uses of the Space Drum was in some disco hits in the
late seventies that will go unnamed, but which were annoying to say the
least.  Now, if you had a bunch of Space Drums, you could simulate a bunch
of drums really well, everything from big timpani to tom-toms, plus, all the
spacy effects you could come up with.  It was kind of uncomfortable to
change the parameters at the same time as playing it, hence the need to have
a few of them to play with.  Since you were supposed to hit them with
sticks, they broke down quite often.
	The Simmons drum set was supposed to take up the slack, but since the Space
Drum was a lot cheaper, it did last a few years until EH itself croaked.
	The other effects were variations of this idea, and I remember fondly the
"Rolling Thunder," which sounded like nuclear explosions, especially if you
put some echo or reverb on it.
	EH also had a very simplistic drum machine, with a few grooves on it, and
the Space Drum had been incorporated into some of the grooves.  You had a
tempo knob and another knob to change the patterns.  It was said to have
been programmed by some of the "best" drummers in the world.  It was funky,
kind of.
	I treasure an EH pedal called "Attack Decay."  This one was marketed to
simulate how Hendrix could play "reverse" licks on his records, so you could
sound live as though you were playing reverse.  All it has is a bunch of
filters and some very good and sensitive slow attacks, and can mix your
guitar sound together with some oscillator-like tones (a la
Microsynthesiser), which can get quite Frippy.  Because the oscillator-like
thing has its own tone, your guitar can appear to have more sustain than it
actually has.  This one is really cool, especially with lots of echoes,
chorus, flange, etc.  The tone can only be attenuated as though with a
"treble" control -- there are no synth-like "wah" filters here.  Of course,
this was no Roland guitar synth for sensitivity -- you had to work with it.
	Also, if you see a "Memory Man," pick it up.  At the end of an effect
chain, before the stereo begins, it can give the whole mix a nice spacy,
wide sensation, and the echoes are very analoguey, meaning, low quality, so
they mesh up together to be rather like a reverb field.
	Another cool pedal I remember is the "PolyChorus," which was a "Small
Chorus" on steroids.  It had many more controls over the chorus effect, and
did sound a lot better to my ears than the Small Chorus -- less noisy -- and
even better than the DOD or MXR chorus effects going around at that time.
However, when the TC Electronics and Boss chorus effects came out, that blew
the others out of the water; plus, the PolyChorus was no longer made then.
	Other people have mentioned the famed EH "Guitar Synthesiser," and I do
remember some sweet colors and tones coming out of it.  However, the thing
was very fragile, and it was very easy to make it stop working.  They did
try to improve the design, but by that time it was going to be too
expensive.  EH always tried to aim the things at the "poor" musician, if I
recall.  It was OK if Jimmy Page didn't use EH stuff, for example, but they
wanted all musicians in the little towns in the USA to use EH pedals.
	Come to think of it, did Page ever use an EH thing?

  | -----Original Message-----
  | From: James Pearce [mailto:jamesrp@statenet.com]
  | Sent: Friday 03 September 1999 9:01 AM
  | To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
  | Subject: EH Space Drums?
  |
  |
  | Ok, so I went to the music store to buy strings and there was
  | an individual
  | selling a large amount of pedal effects, one of which was a pedal by
  | Electro-Harmonics called the Space Drum(s) (?) - anyone know
  | what the hell
  | this does? This guy was selling all these to the store so I didn't feel
  | comfortable about trying to get him outside and sell some to
  | me. I'm sure the
  | store ripped him off quite well, seeing as the guy didn't even
  | know what any
  | of teh stuff he was selling did, just wish I coulda hit him up
  | BEFORE he got
  | inside there.
  |
  |  [.jamesrp@statenet.com.]
  |
  |

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yeah, yeah, yeah... we're workin' on it!

dreaming up completely new loop functions, then trying to figure out how to
make them work elegantly with all the other loop functions is no simple
thing....more like wine making than engineering....but we're getting there.
Believe me, we want to be finished working on the new Loop software
generation just as badly as you want to begin using it!

enjoy the holiday,
kim

At 7:52 PM -0700 8/31/99, Future Perfect wrote:
>Well, in the mean time, what about the Echoplex upgrade???? ETA????
>
>Dave Eichenberger- guitars.loops.devices
>http://home1.gte.net/artmusic/dave
>
>'Future Perfect' - art music
>http://home1.gte.net/artmusic/
>
>

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At 4:18 PM -0700 8/31/99, Jonathan El-Bizri wrote:
>I just talked to a customer support rep at Gibson who seemed a little more
>in the know. He said he was talking to one of the hardware developers
>working on the echoplex, and that as of 2 weeks ago the developer was able
>to get hold of an original EDP to make a schematic from.

ever play that game, telephone? where you tell something to somebody, and
they tell it to somebody else, and then somebody else, and so on, and
eventually the story comes back to you completely different?

I think we just played that.


>Since it's going to take them a little longer than a two weeks to work out a
>schematic, design, build and produce the new product, anyone who was waiting
>out for a new echoplex to be released (like myself) is screwed.

Once again, THERE IS NO NEW ECHOPLEX BEING PRODUCED. No new designing, no
new schematics, no long engineering cycles, etc. Its the SAME echoplex,
with just a delay in production while they figure out some byzantine
business organizational issues. Once they have their shit together, they
just start producing and shipping them again, as things are more or less
set up and ready to go. It's not nearly as complicated as some of you seem
to have imagined it here, just slow as they decide how they want to handle
the product. The Gibson people seem to be working pretty hard to get it
sorted out now. In fact, I recently witnessed a whole batch of mostly
finished units! So have some patience, and harass Gibson every now and then
so they don't forget how badly you want it. I hear they like that. ;-)

kim

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 Well, uh...ok, but, uh, maybe if you tell us what all of these funtions
are, we can offer helpful and insightful suggestions on how to elegantly
implement it...yeah, thats it.

Dave Eichenberger- guitars.loops.devices
http://home1.gte.net/artmusic/dave



>
> yeah, yeah, yeah... we're workin' on it!
>
> dreaming up completely new loop functions, then trying to figure
> out how to
> make them work elegantly with all the other loop functions is no simple
> thing....more like wine making than engineering....but we're
> getting there.
> Believe me, we want to be finished working on the new Loop software
> generation just as badly as you want to begin using it!
>

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Hmmmmm.....

A technological marvel whose creators are loath to
releasing.....maybe it should be called the "Gibson
Oppenheimer".

Sorry Kim. I could not resist. :)

Yes dammit, I'll probably buy another one!

John


 
> It's not nearly as
> complicated as some of you seem
> to have imagined it here, just slow as they decide
> how they want to handle
> the product. The Gibson people seem to be working
> pretty hard to get it
> sorted out now. In fact, I recently witnessed a
> whole batch of mostly
> finished units! So have some patience, and harass
> Gibson every now and then
> so they don't forget how badly you want it. I hear
> they like that. ;-)
> 
> kim
> 
>
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> Well, uh...ok, but, uh, maybe if you tell us what all of these funtions
>are, we can offer helpful and insightful suggestions on how to elegantly
>implement it...yeah, thats it.

seconded.  let us know, we'll comment and even help with the coding
(well, that might be hard in practice...)

	/t

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could this have been phil keaggy? he's a praise & worshippin' christian
acoustic looping guitar maniac. it's very hip when he sings background harmony
into the sound hole & loops it. the opening acts do tend to be kinda lame,
though...

bobdog

postaldave wrote:

> "So, postaldave, who was this mystery looper?"
>
> I don't know his name, it took place at the newsong music festival in
> Kentucky a few weeks ago.
> The guy was doing a praise and worship set for a high school event. I have
> seen some great musician do great P and W sets but this guy was really
> great. I do this type of music myself and hope to create some of the same
> sounds that he did. only four more days till i get my 'rang. yahoo!!!!!!!!!!

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could this have been Phil keaggy? he's a praise & worshippin' Christian
acoustic looping guitar maniac. it's very hip when he sings background
harmony
into the sound hole & loops it. the opening acts do tend to be kinda lame,
though...

bobdog

no it wasn't Phil, and I agree is opening set is lame. although I have never
seen harmony in the sound hole trick I have been most impress with his other
stunts. even if you hate every song he does he is a must see just for the
sake of seeing what he can do with his guitar. I really have no idea who the
guy was that was the looper. all I could think about is what he was doing
not who was doing it. ........only three to four more days till the 'rang
arrives.

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At 8:17 AM -0700 9/4/99, Tom Ritchford wrote:
>> Well, uh...ok, but, uh, maybe if you tell us what all of these funtions
>>are, we can offer helpful and insightful suggestions on how to elegantly
>>implement it...yeah, thats it.
>
>seconded.  let us know, we'll comment and even help with the coding
>(well, that might be hard in practice...)
>
>	/t

We're always open to feedback and suggestions! Most of our new Loop
features come from user ideas, and we work closely with a variety of users
on new ideas and concepts. Feel free to send us a note any time and join in.

But I'm not going to let any secrets out of the bag, cause that would spoil
all the fun!

kim

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hi,

anyone on the list have a lovetone wobulator? if so please contact me as i'd
like some information about it. 

thanks,

stig

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I just stumbled upon this site: 

Has anyone on the list tried this thing out? If it works anything like it's
supposed to, I'm seeing some loop-potential here...

Tim

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At 7:22 PM -0700 9/4/99, Tim Nelson wrote:
>I just stumbled upon this site: 
>
>Has anyone on the list tried this thing out? If it works anything like it's
>supposed to, I'm seeing some loop-potential here...
>
>Tim

uh, how is that? It seemed like an interesting midi controller (assuming
you play guitar and like root-fifth bass lines), but I didn't see that it
did anything like looping at all. what's the "loop-potential" of it?

kim

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My suggestion, which I think I mentioned a long time ago...
When  the feedback value is changed,  especially with a midi expression
pedal, the display would change for an instant to the feedback value (1-128)
so it would be easier to predict the fades.

Dave Eichenberger- guitars.loops.devices
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At 11:27 PM -0700 9/4/99, Future Perfect wrote:
>My suggestion, which I think I mentioned a long time ago...
>When  the feedback value is changed,  especially with a midi expression
>pedal, the display would change for an instant to the feedback value (1-128)
>so it would be easier to predict the fades.
>
>Dave Eichenberger- guitars.loops.devices
>http://home1.gte.net/artmusic/dave

Yep, we got that one in there. It shows you the value as you change it,
whether it be from front panel knob, footpedal, or midi. It's incredibly
handy, especially when using a pedal where it's hard to tell exactly where
you've set it. We call this the Eichenberger function. :-)

I love simple, practical ideas like that, making it easier to use.
Friendly, intuitive user interfaces are the most critical piece of
designing new instruments. We easily spend most of our development time in
this area.

kim

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> We're always open to feedback and suggestions! Most of our new Loop
> features come from user ideas, and we work closely with a variety of users
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Not by itself! But as a controller that doesn't require a lot of floor
space or that you take your hands off your instrument, it sure seems like
it would be useful in a looping rig. That is if it CAN do more than
root-fifth basslines, of course, which I suspect it can. By
"loop-potential", I was thinking more of whether it would be at all useful
to change device settings, trigger samples, etc. in conjunction with
existing gear, and wondered if anyone had tried this.

Tim

At 08:59 PM 9/4/99 -0700, you wrote:
>>I just stumbled upon this site: 
>>
>>Has anyone on the list tried this thing out? If it works anything like it's
>>supposed to, I'm seeing some loop-potential here...

>uh, how is that? It seemed like an interesting midi controller (assuming
>you play guitar and like root-fifth bass lines), but I didn't see that it
>did anything like looping at all. what's the "loop-potential" of it?
>

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Don't know if this helps ... if you are in the New York City area
pedalman.com has one for sale, so you may be able to check it out in person.
The specs look interesting on paper. Like the other Lovetone pedals, this
seems to be quite a unique product.

Lovetone still makes these and does offer a money back guarantee on it's
pedals when you order directly from them. It will just cost you the shipping
to check it out, which is about $20-30 US. This is their most expensive
pedal and would cost about $415 US at today's exchange rate.

There are a bunch of other tremolo pedals out there too -

Custom Audio Super Tremolo
Rocktron Surf Tremolo
Dunlap Tremolo TS-1
Fulltone Supatrem
Roger Mayer Voodoo Vibe
Colorsound Tremolo
Demeter Tremulator TRM-1



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hi,

anyone on the list have a lovetone wobulator? if so please contact me as i'd
like some information about it.

thanks,

stig


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Hughes and Kettner has a tube tremelo, "the Rotosphere"  I think and it has
been on sale at Guitar Center for awhile-

Cliff

There are a bunch of other tremolo pedals out there too -

Custom Audio Super Tremolo
Rocktron Surf Tremolo
Dunlap Tremolo TS-1
Fulltone Supatrem
Roger Mayer Voodoo Vibe
Colorsound Tremolo
Demeter Tremulator TRM-1



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hi,

anyone on the list have a lovetone wobulator? if so please contact me as i'd
like some information about it.

thanks,

stig



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>>> "Liebig, Steuart A."  09/04 5:02 PM >>>
> anyone on the list have a lovetone wobulator? if so please contact
me as i'd like some information about it. 

Single minded dedication to the difficult task of acquiring every
last Lovetone product being made. I'll bet you'd like the Cheese
Source as well... (nudge nudge, wink wink...) Truthfully... I really
love my Big Cheese. I'm probably gonna have to buy one of their big
boxes one day...

The LXP15II is da shit for me... It's funny how a certain piece of
gear will impart an elusive sonic signature. I'm pleased to have this
box back... I just dialed up a patch and modified it to act like my
old faves and there it was... a beautiful liquid sounding verb/delay
which still keeps the main signal clear while adding a very liquid
waterworld ambiance. Amazing. There's a bunch of things it doesn't
have like tap tempo and different waveforms for the LFO, but all in
all I'm really stoked to have it back.

Hope all's well with you!
-m

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hi Kim,

I've been playing with making granular tpye loops all weekend, or at least
when my wife let's m have time away fromher projects. I have Record, and
Overdub in "SUS" mode and insert on "rpl" per your instrucions to make
micro-loops. Any list memebers who have not tried this and are into making
textural ambient type music should get right on it.

I've set up multiple loops and have been utilizing Loop copy, etc. In the
Echoplex Manual it states:

"You can reset all the loops by a long press of RECORD (to reset the
current loop) followed by  long press of MULTIPLY."

This does not work when RECORD is in "SUS" mode however. Is there anyway to
reset all loops in this situation? Can this be part of the Upgrade? Once
again congratulations on a GREAT piece of Gear. I still love my jam men,
but the two plexi are so much more powerful when one digs into the various
possibilites available. On to some Plex stutterring....


Back to playing.

Patrick
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cool dude...you deserve to have the gear to facilitate your 
modulations...loop on Biffoz...I'm on it creating an amazing routing map of 
my gear..p.s. lost the email for the wiring connection/without 
sodder(sp?)please forward...My backs a bit bettter no more cliff 
jumping.....best to you and yours...papadave  OOOOOOmmmmm and OOOOOut


>From: "Mike Biffle" 
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>To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, LiebigSA@Maritz.com
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>Date: Sun, 05 Sep 1999 08:26:36 -0700
>
> >>> "Liebig, Steuart A."  09/04 5:02 PM >>>
> > anyone on the list have a lovetone wobulator? if so please contact
>me as i'd like some information about it.
>
>Single minded dedication to the difficult task of acquiring every
>last Lovetone product being made. I'll bet you'd like the Cheese
>Source as well... (nudge nudge, wink wink...) Truthfully... I really
>love my Big Cheese. I'm probably gonna have to buy one of their big
>boxes one day...
>
>The LXP15II is da shit for me... It's funny how a certain piece of
>gear will impart an elusive sonic signature. I'm pleased to have this
>box back... I just dialed up a patch and modified it to act like my
>old faves and there it was... a beautiful liquid sounding verb/delay
>which still keeps the main signal clear while adding a very liquid
>waterworld ambiance. Amazing. There's a bunch of things it doesn't
>have like tap tempo and different waveforms for the LFO, but all in
>all I'm really stoked to have it back.
>
>Hope all's well with you!
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I'm looking for a Jam Man to buy.
Does anyone have one?

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I purchased an Echoplex from Alto Music in early spring around March/April I think.  

Since then (about 1-2 months ago) Ive noticed that one of the LEDs on the display was staying "half lit" (?) all the time , shortly after another one did the same.  (now this makes it impossible to tell the difference between certain numbers)

When I first got the Echoplex the very tip of one of the rackmount ears was dented and bent slightly (I really hope that didnt happen after it was built etc..) .  I asked Alto Music if I could exchange for another one or complete refund. They said that another one could probably not be gotten etc..  and they refused to refund/pay shipping either way.  (I do think thats pretty crappy)

Im not sure what to do about this




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At 4:59 PM -0700 9/5/99, sock s wrote:
>
>I purchased an Echoplex from Alto Music in early spring around March/April
>I think.
>
>Since then (about 1-2 months ago) Ive noticed that one of the LEDs on the
>display was staying "half lit" (?) all the time , shortly after another one
>did the same.  (now this makes it impossible to tell the difference
>between certain numbers)
>
>When I first got the Echoplex the very tip of one of the rackmount ears
>was dented and bent slightly (I really hope that didnt happen after it
>was built etc..) .  I asked Alto Music if I could exchange for another
>one or complete refund. They said that another one could probably not be
>gotten etc..  and they refused to refund/pay shipping either way.  (I do
>think thats pretty crappy)
>
>Im not sure what to do about this


Why don't you just get the LED fixed? Sounds like a simple problem that any
electronics tech could take care of. Gibson customer service could probably
recommend somebody to you.

Or, if your echoplex is totally useless to you with a broken LED, I'll give
you $100 bucks for it. :-)

kim

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At 12:13 PM -0700 9/5/99, Patrick Smith wrote:
>hi Kim,
>
>I've been playing with making granular tpye loops all weekend, or at least
>when my wife let's m have time away fromher projects. I have Record, and
>Overdub in "SUS" mode and insert on "rpl" per your instrucions to make
>micro-loops. Any list memebers who have not tried this and are into making
>textural ambient type music should get right on it.

woohoo, you're having fun now!

>
>I've set up multiple loops and have been utilizing Loop copy, etc. In the
>Echoplex Manual it states:
>
>"You can reset all the loops by a long press of RECORD (to reset the
>current loop) followed by  long press of MULTIPLY."
>
>This does not work when RECORD is in "SUS" mode however.

yes, that's true. A bit of a limit of the SUS Record.

>Is there anyway to
>reset all loops in this situation? Can this be part of the Upgrade?

unfortunately, no, there's no way to do it with the current software. I
never liked that either, its an unfortunate tradeoff for the coolness of
SUS functions. The best you can do for reset is tap a short loop of
silence, so it shuts up. That doesn't help the multiple loop case very
much, unless you were to quickly copy this silent loop to the others, which
isn't so great either.

In the next generation software, we have a way to reset this. (through midi.)

>Once
>again congratulations on a GREAT piece of Gear. I still love my jam men,
>but the two plexi are so much more powerful when one digs into the various
>possibilites available. On to some Plex stutterring....

thanks! we've got a lot more SUS stuff coming in LoopIV, yer gonna be in
granular heaven...

kim


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In a message dated 09/05/1999 8:45:58 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
kflint@annihilist.com writes:

<< thanks! we've got a lot more SUS stuff coming in LoopIV, yer gonna be in
 granular heaven... >>

Kim...please let us know when Loop !V  upgrade is available.  

Regards, Wayne

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Me too!!!I also got an EDP from Alto and it doesn't turn on the first time I 
power up. I have to turn it on several times to get it to work.There have 
been a few other weird happenings...getting stuck with the 3 cycling about.  
Kind of scary..It's still under warranty...so I may have it repaired befor 
It freaks out anymore.                  papadave55@hotmail.com


>From: "sock s" 
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>Subject: Echoplex LED display problems , Alto Music
>Date: Sun, 05 Sep 1999 16:59:52 -0700
>
>
>
>I purchased an Echoplex from Alto Music in early spring around March/April 
>I think.
>
>Since then (about 1-2 months ago) Ive noticed that one of the LEDs on the 
>display was staying "half lit" (?) all the time , shortly after another one 
>did the same.  (now this makes it impossible to tell the difference between 
>certain numbers)
>
>When I first got the Echoplex the very tip of one of the rackmount ears was 
>dented and bent slightly (I really hope that didnt happen after it was 
>built etc..) .  I asked Alto Music if I could exchange for another one or 
>complete refund. They said that another one could probably not be gotten 
>etc..  and they refused to refund/pay shipping either way.  (I do think 
>thats pretty crappy)
>
>Im not sure what to do about this
>
>
>
>
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The Rocktek Vibrator is agood value for $19.99 MF is blowing them out,
it sounds good and has a wider ranger than most amp trems.

Fiveman

> Hughes and Kettner has a tube tremelo, "the Rotosphere"  I think and it has
> been on sale at Guitar Center for awhile-
>
> Cliff
>
> There are a bunch of other tremolo pedals out there too -
>
> Custom Audio Super Tremolo
> Rocktron Surf Tremolo
> Dunlap Tremolo TS-1
> Fulltone Supatrem
> Roger Mayer Voodoo Vibe
> Colorsound Tremolo
> Demeter Tremulator TRM-1
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The Rocktek Vibrator is agood value for $19.99 MF is blowing them out,
it sounds good and has a wider ranger than most amp trems.

Fiveman



Hughes and Kettner has a tube tremelo, "the Rotosphere"  I think and it has
been on sale at Guitar Center for awhile-

Cliff

There are a bunch of other tremolo pedals out there too -

Custom Audio Super Tremolo
Rocktron Surf Tremolo
Dunlap Tremolo TS-1
Fulltone Supatrem
Roger Mayer Voodoo Vibe
Colorsound Tremolo
Demeter Tremulator TRM-1







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At 12:13 PM -0700 8/31/99, Lanpheer, James wrote:
>Basic question:
>
>Is it important that the SIMMs that install to upgrade the memory be the
>same type as the one already in the module?
>
>More specifically:
>To max out my Echoplex, do i need 4 SIMMs or will 3 (and leaving the one
>already in there) do the job?

They install in pairs. The two simms in a pair have to be the same type,
but the two pairs can be different from each other. To max out the
echoplex, you have to use four 4MB 30 pin simms. Parity doesn't matter, and
speed shouldn't either.

kim

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i think some of the pedals listed are vibrato pedals and not trem. vibrato is 
pitch bending...trem is volume fluctuations. i have a rocktron surf trem and 
think it is awesome. you get 2 outputs with hard and softer tremelo and also 
built-in noise reduction and compression. it also has an enhance knob to put 
some of the sparkle back in the signal if you going through a lot of effects. 
it is a little on the expensive side but well worth it if you like the 
extras. =-) PJ

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Will someone send me the place to order bulk cables and the plug ins.
There is no solder involved with this type of wiring.much thanks
                           papadave55@hotmail.com      om and out

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With all this tremelo talk I thought i post my Dunlop TS1 tremelo pedal.
as new in box. never gigged, less then 10 hours of use total actually.
manul etc.

One of the most verstile tremelos out there (adjustable waveform, stereo
outs switchable to mono, etc)and built like a tank.

Asking  $85 plus shiping or pickup in Phila. Email Legion@voicenet.com


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To all interested in portable recorders.  
I have a SONY DAT (walkman) for sale.
All resonable offers considered.

email   perihelion.1@excite.com

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http://www.georgels.com/

At 06:42 AM 9/6/99 PDT, papadave55 wrote:
>Will someone send me the place to order bulk cables and the plug ins.
>There is no solder involved with this type of wiring.much thanks

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i think your talking about george L cables
really cheap, and amazing sounding, and the tips are solderless
 www.georgels.com 

rodrigo

In a message dated 9/6/99 9:55:58 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
papadave55@hotmail.com writes:

> Will someone send me the place to order bulk cables and the plug ins.
>  There is no solder involved with this type of wiring.much thanks
>                             papadave55@hotmail.com      om and out
>  

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I'm looking for a used boomerang.
Larry

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I'm looking for a used Larry.
Boomerang

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FNGP is happy to announce the next project on board for FingerPaint. We are
looking for sonic contributions from list members to be used at our
discretion for our CD release "Loop This!" The loops can be ambient swirly
material, bass lines, drum loops, rhythm tracks, vocal lines, samples,
melodies, anything....it is up to the contributor. (All loops should
contain only material created by the contributor, with sample clearance for
our use.)

Why are we doing this? It is a common notion that randomness is an
indispensable ingredient of creative acts. In FingerPaint we begin our
pieces by improvising loop(s). We use multiple JAM MEN, ECHPLEXI, &
DIGITECH TIME MACHINES as well as multiple effects boxes and synths to
create our loops. Then we play with this material and see what develops.
Since distance and budgetary constraints prevent us from inviting other
loopers directly into our studio, we are exploring this avenue as a way to
begin working with other musicians. "Loop This!" will be released under the
name of the FingerPaint Collective.

IF we use your material, you will be fully credited on the CD, our web site
and anywhere else we can infiltrate. Our two previous CD releases have
generated several reviews and air play round the world. Also any one who's
material makes it on the CD will receive 5 CD's to keep for the
grandchildren.... When this project becomes financially solvent royalties
will be paid out in accordance with the number of participants.

Eventually we my be doing this with MP3 files posted directly to our site.
A remix of this project is also possible. Let's explore.

Send your material on DAT or CD to:

FNGP
PO BOX 5364
Takoma Park, MD
20913

Peace,

Patrick
                     Fingerpaint's New Release:

                            IN THE LOOP

      ... an intelligent, stimulating mixture of mimimaist spacebeats and
           obscure samples layered upon a hypnotic illbient backdrop.

                       DIGITAL ARTIFACT # 12

                      http://www.fingerpaint.net

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used looking that I am....
larry the (human) boomerang 

At 00.45 07/09/99 -0700, you wrote:
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>Boomerang
>
>
>

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I can mail you a few hi-quality mp3s if you want... which genres are you
interested in?
I am somewhat "specialized" in drum loops....

let me know
ciao
leo


At 06.47 07/09/99 -0500, you wrote:
>FNGP is happy to announce the next project on board for FingerPaint. We are
>looking for sonic contributions from list members to be used at our
>discretion for our CD release "Loop This!" The loops can be ambient swirly
>material, bass lines, drum loops, rhythm tracks, vocal lines, samples,
>melodies, anything....it is up to the contributor. (All loops should
>contain only material created by the contributor, with sample clearance for
>our use.)
>
>Why are we doing this? It is a common notion that randomness is an
>indispensable ingredient of creative acts. In FingerPaint we begin our
>pieces by improvising loop(s). We use multiple JAM MEN, ECHPLEXI, &
>DIGITECH TIME MACHINES as well as multiple effects boxes and synths to
>create our loops. Then we play with this material and see what develops.
>Since distance and budgetary constraints prevent us from inviting other
>loopers directly into our studio, we are exploring this avenue as a way to
>begin working with other musicians. "Loop This!" will be released under the
>name of the FingerPaint Collective.
>
>IF we use your material, you will be fully credited on the CD, our web site
>and anywhere else we can infiltrate. Our two previous CD releases have
>generated several reviews and air play round the world. Also any one who's
>material makes it on the CD will receive 5 CD's to keep for the
>grandchildren.... When this project becomes financially solvent royalties
>will be paid out in accordance with the number of participants.
>
>Eventually we my be doing this with MP3 files posted directly to our site.
>A remix of this project is also possible. Let's explore.
>
>Send your material on DAT or CD to:
>
>FNGP
>PO BOX 5364
>Takoma Park, MD
>20913
>
>Peace,
>
>Patrick
>                     Fingerpaint's New Release:
>
>                            IN THE LOOP
>
>      ... an intelligent, stimulating mixture of mimimaist spacebeats and
>           obscure samples layered upon a hypnotic illbient backdrop.
>
>                       DIGITAL ARTIFACT # 12
>
>                      http://www.fingerpaint.net
>
>
>

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First, Kim Flint writes:

> yeah, yeah, yeah... we're workin' on it!
>
> dreaming up completely new loop functions, then trying to figure out how to
> make them work elegantly with all the other loop functions is no simple
> thing....more like wine making than engineering....but we're getting there.
> Believe me, we want to be finished working on the new Loop software
> generation just as badly as you want to begin using it!

Then, as if to slip into a pair of slyboots, Kim Flint goes ahead and writes:

> Once again, THERE IS NO NEW ECHOPLEX BEING PRODUCED. No new designing, no
> new schematics, no long engineering cycles, etc. Its the SAME echoplex,
> with just a delay in production while they figure out some byzantine
> business organizational issues.

Well, er, uh, please to forgive me for prying, KF -- your time is your own, as far as
I'm concerned, and provided it's consensual and not within the Great State of Georgia,
what you do with codes and diodes is your own charming affair -- but, em, er, if, as
you remark with such dramatic elan, "THERE IS NO NEW ECHOPLEX BEING PRODUCED...Its
(sic) the SAME echoplex, with just a delay in production," I, ep, umm, well, what in
tarnation are you spending all this time "dreaming up completely new loop functions,
then trying to figure out how to make them work elegantly with all the other loop
functions..." if it's to be the same, without these dreamy new functions and suchnot
added? Why not go out dancing? Or stock up on Fresca before the End Times hit? You take
my meaning?

Some clarification, please, on this old EDP/new EDP rollout -- are they going to make
the old right up to the point that there is a new? Will your software be an upgrade to
what already exists or will us loopies need to shell out for a whole new bundle of
hardware? I seek to know "when" only in relation to "what". Thank you.

However, as if the aforementioned weren't enough, Kim Flint goes on and writes:

> We're always open to feedback and suggestions!

Well, since you brought it up...here's suggestions:

1. The capability of dividing any loop length by any integer..."but, but, Jamie,
th-that would mean, I don't know, dividing a six-second loop by, goodness, one of those
loathsome prime numbers, like seventy-one, w-wouldn't it?" You bet your g-dd-mn f-cking
-ss it would, you craven little girlboy (sorry...talking to myself again...). Perhaps
each of these irreducible fractions treatable as a "virtual" loop, to be taken apart,
conceivably, out of sequence or treated separately in the series they were divvied up
in. Along these lines:

2. A loop "sequencer" -- needn't be much more than ye olde analogue fteppf fequencerf
of yore, just something that says to the EDP "play loop 1 twice, play loop 2 once, 3 is
straight out, then play loop 4 backwards, then 1 on a ramp from quarter speed to full
speed again within the length of the loop; repeat. Serve hot." with multiple "songs" to
be stored. Along these lines:

3. More speed flexibility, including ramping functions like the one discussed above --
if we can no longer spin a knob to speed things up and slow them down, let them crunch
numbers. Similarly, like my first suggestion, the possibility of coming up with your
own sick, sick ratios, like 16/97, or 2/1, and the ability to ramp between the two
within a given time frame. While we're dreaming:

4. Back-uping EDP "macros" (i.e., the loop, the speeds, the "songs," etc.) onto Zip
drives or other SCSI-enabled storage devices. Also, the ability to read these in, and
other file formats as well (e.g. AIFF, WAV, QuickTime, AKAI, SDMI (psych!), etc.) -- if
it's a sampler we loop with at the turn of the century, the dad-blamed contraption
ought to behave like one. Along these final wishfully-thinking lines:

5. Digital I/O, yo.

Not one of these may be implemented by the EDP but I bring them up because, with
patience and the urge, MAX/MSP can do these today. Five years, gang, and we'll all be
bringing PowerBooks (or their 2004 equivalents) on the gigs. Now, if someone will
create a USB-to-1/4" converter...

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Here ya go Narendra!

http://www.georgels.com/

Someday we'll get it all patched together...

-m

>>> "David Potter"  09/06 6:54 AM >>>
Will someone send me the place to order bulk cables and the plug
ins.
There is no solder involved with this type of wiring.much thanks
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Just returned to my computer today and read this thread on MD copying...

Pretty complete discussion but I didn't see this mentioned - For those who
can afford it, there are MD decks which copy the data stream as recorded on
the MD.  I.e., it does NOT pass through the ATRAC decompression/compression
algorithm.  This produces a clone of the MD.  These decks are intended for
the pro market and the their prices reflect it.  (You need two machines to
clone a MD, of course.)  See the minidisc community page (www.minidisc.org
?) for more details.  Now we need a service company to dup minidiscs in this
fashion.

Dennis Leas
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dennis@mdbs.com

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>>IMHO: If you have the choice between D->D copying or
>>D->A->D  ALWAYS take the D->D copy.  You may not notice
>>a great deal of generation loss at first, but it's there.
>
>well, there will be generational loss even in an
>uncompressed digital transfer, due to jitter or
>just errors.  the error correction will handle
>*nearly all* of them...
>
>
>>going through a
>>digital:analog converter, and then back again analog:digital
>>gives you a much wider sensitivity to distortion, hiss, electronic
>>buzz
>
>much as I love digital, I can't really agree with this.
>
>if your levels are set properly, there should be little or
>no noise added.  the d/a/d sections on a professional or
>semi-professional machine will be better than 90dB, so if they
>were the only problem you could make a hundred generations before
>getting to the level of an analog mastering deck or a million
>generations before getting down to the level of a good cassette deck.
>
>You'd be much more likely to get noise from other sources
>interfering with your copies between the two conversion sections.
>
>>
>>Test the theory if you must..  Take 2 Sony MD's, go line-out to line-in
>>and make a copy.  Turn it around and copy the copy, again, again,
>>again until you hear the hiss.  Now try it digital -> digital and note
>>that the sound never alters from the original.
>>
>>Ken
>
>

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James Keepnews wrote:

> 
> 2. A loop "sequencer" -- needn't be much more than ye olde analogue fteppf fequencerf
> of yore, just something that says to the EDP "play loop 1 twice, play loop 2 once, 3 is
> straight out, then play loop 4 backwards, then 1 on a ramp from quarter speed to full

Ev'ry body dance the MEGALOOP

just dreaming 


Claude

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In a message dated 03/09/99 18:15:50 GMT Daylight Time, wgold@mecasw.com 
writes:

> Of course when talking compression, there's always lossage, BUT... Since
>  the data is compressed at record time onto the MD, then the D->D transfer
>  from one deck to another should copy the pre-compressed data so it doesn't
>  have to go through another compression (I would HOPE this is how it works,
>  please correct me if I'm wrong).
Sadly I don't think the lossless copy from MD to MD is possible as the 
digital O/P
is in a format that gear without ATRAC can read. I haven't heard of a 
minidisc 
with a separate O/P for the compressed data, which is what would be needed.
I guess this is something to do with the paranoia that the recording industry 
has
about 'pirate' copies. >  please correct me if I'm wrong).

Andy Butler
  

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Check out the Sony MDS-W1 for a home deck that will "clone" an MD.  Check
out the "pro" Sony MDS-B5/MDS-B6P (4x speed "cloning").  Then there's the
Denon 045R MiniDisc Replicator at a cool $4200.  All are lossless copiers.

Dennis Leas
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>In a message dated 03/09/99 18:15:50 GMT Daylight Time, wgold@mecasw.com
>writes:
>
>> Of course when talking compression, there's always lossage, BUT... Since
>>  the data is compressed at record time onto the MD, then the D->D
transfer
>>  from one deck to another should copy the pre-compressed data so it
doesn't
>>  have to go through another compression (I would HOPE this is how it
works,
>>  please correct me if I'm wrong).
>Sadly I don't think the lossless copy from MD to MD is possible as the
>digital O/P
>is in a format that gear without ATRAC can read. I haven't heard of a
>minidisc
>with a separate O/P for the compressed data, which is what would be needed.
>I guess this is something to do with the paranoia that the recording
industry
>has
>about 'pirate' copies. >  please correct me if I'm wrong).
>
>Andy Butler
>
>
>

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dear looping partner's in crime,

am adding some new gear to my rack and so far have had some issues with
gain structure.  i wondered if i could solicit some advice.

here is the gear...



sony freedom series wireless system  at line level...

a pendulum audio preamp

lexicon mpx G2 effects unit

jamman
echoplex

all going to a walter woods amplifier.


the questions i have are concerned with signal path.  i have been
sending my instrument thru the preamp to the amp, then sending and
returning through all the other gear from the amp itself.  i'm thinking
of sending and returning from the preamp itself, doing all the
processing and looping, then going to the amp in the end with the
effected signal.  would any of you be kind enough to offer me some
suggestions or feedback?

thanks,

todd reynolds

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> the questions i have are concerned with signal path.  i have been
> sending my instrument thru the preamp to the amp, then sending and
> returning through all the other gear from the amp itself.  i'm thinking
> of sending and returning from the preamp itself, doing all the
> processing and looping, then going to the amp in the end with the
> effected signal.  would any of you be kind enough to offer me some
> suggestions or feedback?
> 
Hi Todd,
I have  a similar type of rig. The Pendulum has such a great stereo 
effects buss that I would certainly use that feature.  I have the 
SPS-1(stereo preamp) and I use the second channel for feeding back my 
looped signal. That way I can put a pedal in line and control the 
level of the loop on the fly enableing me to fade it in and out and 
other cool stuff. If you have the mono unit ,it still has a stereo 
effects buss. With  pedals in line you can do a lot of interaction 
with your separate effects units and still keep a nice clean 
uneffected signal mixed in for a super clear sound.I am always trying 
different combinations but I usually like to keep that loop in it's 
own channel. You could even feed that to the second channel on the 
WOODS if it has one. How was your Broadway gig?
Besregards,
Eric

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    I am having recurring problems viewing live real video from my =
computer. Being one who sometimes needs to be walked through certain =
"difficult" applications, I am wondering if anyone would be willing to =
enlighten me as to how to gain access to a live real-video =
stream...specifically ARS Electronica Festival 1999 (9/9/99 Carl Stone =
[utilizing a Powerbook and MAX/MSP loopnology] will be performing his =
9-minute tape piece entitled SpeedGuel as part of "Recombinant 9/9/99", =
the final event featuring Ikue Mori, Otomo Yoshihide, and Scot Jenerik =
as well). Any help (directions, ideas, web-sites) will be beneficial.=20
    On another distant looping note, I finally paid off my Echoplex DP =
and am thoroughly enjoying the creative possibilities. It meshes with my =
"style" well. Strangely it is a brand new piece of equipment, yet came =
with a surprising 53 seconds of memory (-only expecting 12secs.)! Is =
this normal? I'm not complaining. My vortex should arrive via Palomba =
Music in NY anyday. The owner Benny ROCKS! Well recommended.=20
    Furthermore my insatiable queries into unorthodox guitar signal =
processing has brought me across an interesting synth called a Microwave =
XT by Waldorf. Does anyone have knowledge of this wonder. It looks very =
appetizing! http://www.waldorf-gmbh.de/  Evidently, with a 1/4" input =
you can plug anything from guitar to vocals into this thing and tweek it =
into the next millenium. Nice! Perhaps, though, all I really need is the =
4-pole filter thingy which is much less expensive and just as =
devastating. Peace in,=20
Jamie

p.s. This echoplex software update songs tantalizing! Granulations? wow.

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wondering=20
if anyone would be willing to enlighten me as to how to gain access to a =
live=20
real-video stream...specifically ARS Electronica Festival 1999 (9/9/99 =
Carl=20
Stone [utilizing a Powerbook and MAX/MSP loopnology] will be performing =
his=20
9-minute tape piece entitled SpeedGuel as part of "Recombinant=20
9/9/99", the final event featuring Ikue Mori, Otomo Yoshihide, and =
Scot=20
Jenerik as well). Any help (directions, ideas, web-sites) will be =
beneficial.=20



    On another =
distant looping=20
note, I finally paid off my Echoplex DP and am thoroughly enjoying the =
creative=20
possibilities. It meshes with my "style" well. Strangely it is =
a brand=20
new piece of equipment, yet came with a surprising 53 seconds of memory =
(-only=20
expecting 12secs.)! Is this normal? I'm not complaining. My vortex =
should arrive=20
via Palomba Music in NY anyday. The owner Benny ROCKS! Well recommended. =




    Furthermore my =
insatiable=20
queries into unorthodox guitar signal processing has brought me across =
an=20
interesting synth called a Microwave XT by Waldorf. Does anyone have =
knowledge=20
of this wonder. It looks very appetizing! http://www.waldorf-gmbh.de/ =
;=20
Evidently, with a 1/4" input you can plug anything from guitar to =
vocals=20
into this thing and tweek it into the next millenium. Nice! Perhaps, =
though, all=20
I really need is the 4-pole filter thingy which is much less expensive =
and just=20
as devastating. Peace in, 


Jamie


 


p.s. This echoplex software update =
songs=20
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At 05:03 PM 9/7/99 -0500, you wrote: 
>
>     Furthermore my insatiable queries into unorthodox guitar signal
> processing has brought me across an interesting synth called a Microwave XT
> by Waldorf. Does anyone have knowledge of this wonder. It looks very
> appetizing! http://www.waldorf-gmbh.de/ 
> Evidently, with a 1/4" input you can plug anything from guitar to vocals into
> this thing and tweek it into the next millenium. Nice! Perhaps, though, all I
> really need is the 4-pole filter thingy which is much less expensive and just
> as devastating. Peace in, 
> Jamie
>  
> p.s. This echoplex software update songs tantalizing! Granulations? wow.


The audio input on the XT is kind of a bonus to its incredible synthesis
capabilities.  I have the MicrowaveII (XT w/o the input & extra knobs) which
never ceases to amaze me.  It would be a shame to use this box as solely a
processing unit.  If you just want the filters, go w/ the 4-pole, X-pole or
D-pole (the software plugin).  If you want some impressive synthesis
capability, go w/ the MWII or XT (or XTk if you want the keyboard).  The
Waldorf synths also have some of the best user interfaces of ANY synth I have
ever used.  Be prepared to program it because its not a "preset" synth, but you
will certainly be rewarded for putting in a little effort to prog it because
these things put out some amazing sounds.  Like anything, try it before you buy
it because the MW series have a very unique sound that may not be to everyone's
taste.  After purchasing a creamware pulsar synthesis/audio mixing card &
native instruments' Generator/Reaktor, the only outboard synth gear that I
actually use anymore is a Waldorf and an oberheim MX1000.  This probably says
much about the MW's unique sound which can't be easily duplicated by anything
else.  Additionally, the MW's are software upgradable which is as easy as
downloading a MIDI file and playing it in your sequencer into the MW.  You
might also want to check out the Waldorf mailing list
(mailto:user-forum-request@waldorf-gmbh.de?subject:"subscribe").



Lorren Stafford
Richard For Cerebellum/A Most Happy Sound
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http://www.futureperfect.org/art/happy.html

"We ask ourselves whether truly this is the beginning 
of a new world or whether perhaps the world...is about
to perish.  There are people who earnestly and seriously
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That's a great idea! Hopefully you just got an email from me yesterday and
would be interested in the "source/product" idea.

I'd love to send some contributions, but I have to make the time. When should I
have them in by?

matt davignon

Patrick Smith wrote:

> FNGP is happy to announce the next project on board for FingerPaint. We are
> looking for sonic contributions from list members to be used at our
> discretion for our CD release "Loop This!" The loops can be ambient swirly
> material, bass lines, drum loops, rhythm tracks, vocal lines, samples,
> melodies, anything....it is up to the contributor. (All loops should
> contain only material created by the contributor, with sample clearance for
> our use.)
>
> Why are we doing this? It is a common notion that randomness is an
> indispensable ingredient of creative acts. In FingerPaint we begin our
> pieces by improvising loop(s). We use multiple JAM MEN, ECHPLEXI, &
> DIGITECH TIME MACHINES as well as multiple effects boxes and synths to
> create our loops. Then we play with this material and see what develops.
> Since distance and budgetary constraints prevent us from inviting other
> loopers directly into our studio, we are exploring this avenue as a way to
> begin working with other musicians. "Loop This!" will be released under the
> name of the FingerPaint Collective.
>
> IF we use your material, you will be fully credited on the CD, our web site
> and anywhere else we can infiltrate. Our two previous CD releases have
> generated several reviews and air play round the world. Also any one who's
> material makes it on the CD will receive 5 CD's to keep for the
> grandchildren.... When this project becomes financially solvent royalties
> will be paid out in accordance with the number of participants.
>
> Eventually we my be doing this with MP3 files posted directly to our site.
> A remix of this project is also possible. Let's explore.
>
> Send your material on DAT or CD to:
>
> FNGP
> PO BOX 5364
> Takoma Park, MD
> 20913
>
> Peace,
>
> Patrick
>                      Fingerpaint's New Release:
>
>                             IN THE LOOP
>
>       ... an intelligent, stimulating mixture of mimimaist spacebeats and
>            obscure samples layered upon a hypnotic illbient backdrop.
>
>                        DIGITAL ARTIFACT # 12
>
>                       http://www.fingerpaint.net

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FYI : The Rocktek Vibrator is a tremelo pedal (although I can't figure
out why they infer vibrato).  I actually wasn't aware they there are
true vibrato pedals out there.  Which ones are they.  I've always relied
on the rackmounts or the synths for that sort of effect.

Fiveman

PJ wrote:

> i think some of the pedals listed are vibrato pedals and not trem. vibrato is
> pitch bending...trem is volume fluctuations. i have a rocktron surf trem and
> think it is awesome. you get 2 outputs with hard and softer tremelo and also
> built-in noise reduction and compression. it also has an enhance knob to put
> some of the sparkle back in the signal if you going through a lot of effects.
> it is a little on the expensive side but well worth it if you like the
> extras. =-)
>

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FYI : The Rocktek Vibrator is a tremelo pedal (although I can't figure
out why they infer vibrato).  I actually wasn't aware they there are
true vibrato pedals out there.  Which ones are they.  I've always
relied on the rackmounts or the synths for that sort of effect.

Fiveman

PJ wrote:



i think some of the pedals listed are vibrato pedals and not trem. vibrato is 
pitch bending...trem is volume fluctuations. i have a rocktron surf trem and 
think it is awesome. you get 2 outputs with hard and softer tremelo and also 
built-in noise reduction and compression. it also has an enhance knob to put 
some of the sparkle back in the signal if you going through a lot of effects. 
it is a little on the expensive side but well worth it if you like the 
extras. =-)





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What are "endless rotaries"?

At 07:53 PM 9/7/99 -0500, you wrote:
>At 05:03 PM 9/7/99 -0500, you wrote: 
>>
>>     Furthermore my insatiable queries into unorthodox guitar signal
>> processing has brought me across an interesting synth called a Microwave XT
>> by Waldorf. Does anyone have knowledge of this wonder. It looks very
>> appetizing! http://www.waldorf-gmbh.de/ 
>> Evidently, with a 1/4" input you can plug anything from guitar to vocals
into
>> this thing and tweek it into the next millenium. Nice! 

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Well, first thing you should try all possible wirings and decide which
sounds better to you.  But in general, amplifying should be last.  Unless
someone else disagrees, of course.

  | -----Original Message-----
  | From: Todd Reynolds [mailto:todd@toddreynolds.com]
  | Sent: Tuesday 07 September 1999 1:43 PM
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  | Subject: asking for some advice....
  |
  |
  | dear looping partner's in crime,
  |
  | am adding some new gear to my rack and so far have had some issues with
  | gain structure.  i wondered if i could solicit some advice.
  |
  | here is the gear...
  |
  |
  |
  | sony freedom series wireless system  at line level...
  |
  | a pendulum audio preamp
  |
  | lexicon mpx G2 effects unit
  |
  | jamman
  | echoplex
  |
  | all going to a walter woods amplifier.
  |
  |
  | the questions i have are concerned with signal path.  i have been
  | sending my instrument thru the preamp to the amp, then sending and
  | returning through all the other gear from the amp itself.  i'm thinking
  | of sending and returning from the preamp itself, doing all the
  | processing and looping, then going to the amp in the end with the
  | effected signal.  would any of you be kind enough to offer me some
  | suggestions or feedback?
  |
  | thanks,
  |
  | todd reynolds
  |
  | --
  | Todd Reynolds                                    "paint as you like, and
  | die happy"   -   henry miller
  | 500B Grand St.  11G
  | New York, NY  10002
  |
  | 212 475-8559  phone
  | 917 861-1755  cell, pager, et al.
  |
  | todd@toddreynolds.com
  | http://www.toddreynolds.com
  |
  |
  |

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>I can mail you a few hi-quality mp3s if you want... which genres are you
>interested in?
>I am somewhat "specialized" in drum loops....
>
>let me know
>ciao
>leo
>
>

The genres are up to you leo. you can go to our site and listen to some of
our past material. We are wide open. Drum loops would be hot though.Steev
is looking into setting up a ftp site for the MP3's I'll get back to you.

patrick
                     Fingerpaint's New Release:

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Hi matt,

I just saw your message and will read it soon. We would love to have your
contribution " the patient said..." There is no firm submission date as of
yet, but perhaps we need to consider that.

Patrick

>That's a great idea! Hopefully you just got an email from me yesterday and
>would be interested in the "source/product" idea.
>
>I'd love to send some contributions, but I have to make the time. When
>should I
>have them in by?
>
>matt davignon
>
>Patrick Smith wrote:
>
>> FNGP is happy to announce the next project on board for FingerPaint. We are
>> looking for sonic contributions from list members to be used at our
>> discretion for our CD release "Loop This!" The loops can be ambient swirly
>> material, bass lines, drum loops, rhythm tracks, vocal lines, samples,
>> melodies, anything....it is up to the contributor. (All loops should
>> contain only material created by the contributor, with sample clearance for
>> our use.)
>>
>> Why are we doing this? It is a common notion that randomness is an
>> indispensable ingredient of creative acts. In FingerPaint we begin our
>> pieces by improvising loop(s). We use multiple JAM MEN, ECHPLEXI, &
>> DIGITECH TIME MACHINES as well as multiple effects boxes and synths to
>> create our loops. Then we play with this material and see what develops.
>> Since distance and budgetary constraints prevent us from inviting other
>> loopers directly into our studio, we are exploring this avenue as a way to
>> begin working with other musicians. "Loop This!" will be released under the
>> name of the FingerPaint Collective.
>>
>> IF we use your material, you will be fully credited on the CD, our web site
>> and anywhere else we can infiltrate. Our two previous CD releases have
>> generated several reviews and air play round the world. Also any one who's
>> material makes it on the CD will receive 5 CD's to keep for the
>> grandchildren.... When this project becomes financially solvent royalties
>> will be paid out in accordance with the number of participants.
>>
>> Eventually we my be doing this with MP3 files posted directly to our site.
>> A remix of this project is also possible. Let's explore.
>>
>> Send your material on DAT or CD to:
>>
>> FNGP
>> PO BOX 5364
>> Takoma Park, MD
>> 20913
>>
>> Peace,
>>
>> Patrick
>>                      Fingerpaint's New Release:
>>
>>                             IN THE LOOP
>>
>>       ... an intelligent, stimulating mixture of mimimaist spacebeats and
>>            obscure samples layered upon a hypnotic illbient backdrop.
>>
>>                        DIGITAL ARTIFACT # 12
>>
>>                       http://www.fingerpaint.net

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Echoplex sells for $3,050.00 on EBAY!

http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=154268378

Jones

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Attention all Loopers- I am interested in the thread regarding signal path/
gear setup- any genius out there who could interface a program that makes
diagrams like Guitar Shop or basic schematic type diagrams to a web form? I
will host- and I have some web knowledge myself- it would be interesting to
see how everyone sets up-
My setup just is not satisfying right now- and I seem to change it depending
on what I want to do- I guess having a clear idea on what you want to do
makes the configuring part much easier-

Cliff

-----Original Message-----
From: Javier Miranda V. [mailto:gnominus@earthling.net]
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Well, first thing you should try all possible wirings and decide which
sounds better to you.  But in general, amplifying should be last.  Unless
someone else disagrees, of course.

  | -----Original Message-----
  | From: Todd Reynolds [mailto:todd@toddreynolds.com]
  | Sent: Tuesday 07 September 1999 1:43 PM
  | To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
  | Subject: asking for some advice....
  |
  |
  | dear looping partner's in crime,
  |
  | am adding some new gear to my rack and so far have had some issues with
  | gain structure.  i wondered if i could solicit some advice.
  |
  | here is the gear...
  |
  |
  |
  | sony freedom series wireless system  at line level...
  |
  | a pendulum audio preamp
  |
  | lexicon mpx G2 effects unit
  |
  | jamman
  | echoplex
  |
  | all going to a walter woods amplifier.
  |
  |
  | the questions i have are concerned with signal path.  i have been
  | sending my instrument thru the preamp to the amp, then sending and
  | returning through all the other gear from the amp itself.  i'm thinking
  | of sending and returning from the preamp itself, doing all the
  | processing and looping, then going to the amp in the end with the
  | effected signal.  would any of you be kind enough to offer me some
  | suggestions or feedback?
  |
  | thanks,
  |
  | todd reynolds
  |
  | --
  | Todd Reynolds                                    "paint as you like, and
  | die happy"   -   henry miller
  | 500B Grand St.  11G
  | New York, NY  10002
  |
  | 212 475-8559  phone
  | 917 861-1755  cell, pager, et al.
  |
  | todd@toddreynolds.com
  | http://www.toddreynolds.com
  |
  |
  |


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hello all

just a last minute reminder - we are very local [here in NJ] with our next
show...

JFK's LSD UFO 

wed sep 8
8:30 pm
internet cafe
One w front st
red bank nj
732-842-4503 

an evening of live ambient soundscapes. percussion,guitar and synthesizers
and layered vocals.

ALSO it will be a webcast of sorts.right now the club manager has the 10sec
update camera on- hopefully streaming video will be up by wed night -if not
- you'll at least see, maybe hear us. 

when,where? you say??

wed- sep 8 - 8:30pm ET --head  over to the internet cafe
site-http://www.icafenj.com

and after us.... BON - featuring Bon Lozaga and Hansford Rowe (both of
GONG/GONGZILLA) and Vic Stevens.
fusion monsters with guitar loops at their heart....

JFK'S LSD UFO - site http://www.ufomusic.com

Project Object/Zappa tribute
http://www.projectobject.com
Jfk's Lsd Ufo site
http://www.ufomusic.com

Project Object/Zappa tribute
http://www.projectobject.com

Personal site
http://www.monmouth.com~andre

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damn that i am not in LA.. i'm im new york, but perhaps i could request
additional info?  where might i find the article by dave torn which you speak
of, and have mike miller and scott henderson made solo records?

todd reynolds


Clifford Novey wrote:

> Eric and others-
>
> There are two shows this week that are worth mentioning- both feature guitar
> players of an amazing stature.
> Wed night is Scott Henderson, guitar player and front member of Tribal Tech-
> he occasionally uses loops but not too much- he has an extroidinary ability-
> like Jimi and Vai all rolled into one-
>
> Second is Mike Miller- extremely amazing guitar player who incorporates 2
> Jam Man units in a most discreet and tasteful way- he is a super player who
> did the tour with the Zappa band filling in FZ's shoes- he has wonderful
> compositions and good dynamics- he also played with Chick Corea who Scott H.
> also played with- Mike Miller was responsible for me becoming intersested in
> looping along with an article featuring David Torn.
>
> If any of you are near the LA area you would be well rewarded for the drive-
> also the club is about as big as a very large living room- you could operate
> the floor pedals if your table is against the "stage" which is maybe 1"
> high.
>
> All the club info is below- hope to see some of you there!
>
> LA VÉ LEE, 12514 Ventura Blvd., Studio City, has music, often with a Latin
> or Brazilian bent, and Mediterranean cooking five days a week. Music
> Tues.-Sun., with the band striking up at 9:30 p.m. Full bar. All ages. (818)
> 980-8158.
>
> Fri.-Sat.—Singer-songwriter Kenny Rankin.
>
> Tues.—Marco Mendoza & Straight Jacket, with Joey Heredia and Renato Neto.
>
> Wed.—The Scott Henderson Trio.
>
> Thurs.—Mike Miller.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Echopark99@aol.com [mailto:Echopark99@aol.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 1999 8:18 PM
> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
> Subject: Re: EH16 inflation
>
> In a message dated 99-08-24 02:54:13 EDT, you write:
>
> <<
>  > Did anyone else notice the current bid on the EH16 on eBay?
>  >
>  > $1,051.09!!!!! That blows away the $700 JamMan!
>
>  That's okay.  The EH16 blows away the JamMan in several other respects!
>   >>
>
> ...and that one is the cleanest I've ever seen, box and all!  I actually bid
> on it but I'm not at home with the address, and apparently the auction's
> over
> cause I can't search for it anymore. Anyone catch the final bid?
>
> eric p
> echo park

--
Todd Reynolds                                    "paint as you like, and die
happy"   -   henry miller
500B Grand St.  11G
New York, NY  10002

212 475-8559  phone
917 861-1755  cell, pager, et al.

todd@toddreynolds.com
http://www.toddreynolds.com


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I am wondering if there are two versions of the Headrush - a metal AND a
plastic unit. I had a brief dialogue with someone (oh, how transient the
e-relationship is!) who absolutely insisted with great vigor that their unit
was plastic. Mine is metal. Most probably aluminum, with a thick fake-metal
silvery lacquey plasticy finish.
    BTW can anyone tell me what the frequency response of the Headrush is
vs. the Boomerang? I'm too busy to jump over web sites and dig up owners
manuals, etc.
    And does anyone forsee getting into the guts of the 'rush and doing
hot-rods to create reverse fx, frozen loops, half- and double-time shifts,
pitch shifts, etc.? Would it even be cost-effectiive?
    BTW I've had very brief conversations with a couple of folx at Akai
directly in charge of marketing the Headrush and they were totally unaware
of the rabid eye-scratching and hair-pulling tussles their little gimmicky
trinket has created...
-----Original Message-----
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>thank god that's settled, i was hanging on the edge of my seat
>
>:-)
>
>
>sorry, i guess i'm a little bored.
>
>about the boomerang versus headrush. having a headrush, i wish that it had
a
>reverse function as well as the 1/2-doublt speed thing that the boomerang
>does. (tho' my eh16 does have both of those.) still the headrush is a nice
>little box and it does delay as well, which is important to me.
>
>stig
>

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Hi, how are you?

Would you get a load of this: Holland (soprano saxophone/"little
instruments"/electronics) and James (guitar/bass/electronics) are
improvising
music in front of a paying audience once more. Oh, and how they'll pay.
This
time, you'll find them at One Station Plaza, a great cooperative
performance
space located at 38 North Division Street in downtown Peekskill, NY.
Look, just
because Pataki was born there is no reason to take that tone with me,
pal.
Besides, we ran him out on a rail years ago and he's been nursing a
grudge in
nearby Putnam County ever since. But that's not your problem.

Devotees of real-time looping and the implementation of the MAX
programming
environment within live performance may find much to astound and disturb
the
sensibilities. They may, alternatively, not. Regardless, show time is at
9:00 PM
and your contribution of $5 (US) will be gratefully accepted, then and
there.
For directions, contact 914.736.1053. We hope to see you there.

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Hey!  Besides the Space Drum, doesn't Rock and Roll Fantasy also include
a guitar processed through the MXR Blue Box, one of the most horrid yet
grungy guitar effects ever made.  I oughta know, and I own one!

Todd Madson
Musician, Mountain Biker, Stunt Kite Flyer, BeOS/MacOS/Linux/WinNt user.
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<<...diagrams like Guitar Shop or basic schematic type diagrams to a web 
form?>>
Hey, Cliff...good idea
I made a schematic of my loop-oriented studio set-up in Illustrator (inspired 
more by the patch diagrams Mackie puts in their lit, than by Guitar Shop, but 
same idea), saved it as a PDF file and sent it to the vg-8 site, where they 
put it on the net as a .gif...looks exactly like what I sent in.
(go to: 
http://www.vg-8.com/users/davidcoffin/ 
and clik on Schematic)
Illustrator was my best choice for making such a diagram, but there may be 
easier graphics apps, dedicated to whipping up diagrams or flow charts or 
something.
David

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to answer this i'd have to actually listen to this tune again & i haven't
done anything bad enough to deserve that today. yet.

bobdog


> Hey!  Besides the Space Drum, doesn't Rock and Roll Fantasy also include
> a guitar processed through the MXR Blue Box, one of the most horrid yet
> grungy guitar effects ever made.  I oughta know, and I own one!

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Well, I had lots of fun just before I left for my vacation: I stayed up
until two in the morning using the delay in the VS-840 nearly maxed out
and then into the Mac running the Procrastination looper set on, oh, 
four minutes.

I had the first two doing left and right channels and the other two 
loopers doing the same and I would bring them in and out.

I generated all of this nonsense with just my electric guitar and before
long I had this giant, swirling, synth like galaxy of sound going.

After about an hour or so, I realized that what I was doing was pretty
cool and should be recorded, but hadn't thought to prepare the 840 or
the computer.  Then I forgot: the procrastination looper lets you dump
the contents of the loops in stereo to an aiff file.

So, during the endloop process (about the last 8 minutes) the ending of
the big atmosphere was happening I dumped the data to a file, played a
solo over the endloop and then let the atmosphere slough away until 
only the solo was left, and then even that faded.  Bizzarre.  It
ended up sounding like something from some weird album somewhere.

I encoded that data to an MP3 file so I'll probably put that up on my
site for download, but it's pretty desolate sounding.  

Weird how just playing around can generate something significant.

Todd Madson
Musician, Mountain Biker, Stunt Kite Flyer, BeOS/MacOS/Linux/WinNt user.
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Download a program called "SmartDraw" from download.com or some such.  It's
a way cool program where you can color the boxes, make any shape you want,
but the coolest thing is, of course, that you can link the boxes and lines,
and drag them around to improve the signal flow until you have something
worth implementing to try out.  Although it's shareware, you can save some
drawings into JPEG, which is cool for a Web site.  I'd say buy the thing,
it's so cool.

  | -----Original Message-----
  | From: Clifford Novey [mailto:clifsound@mediaone.net]
  | Sent: Tuesday 07 September 1999 9:08 PM
  | To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
  | Subject: RE: asking for some advice....
  |
  |
  | Attention all Loopers- I am interested in the thread regarding
  | signal path/
  | gear setup- any genius out there who could interface a program
  | that makes
  | diagrams like Guitar Shop or basic schematic type diagrams to a
  | web form? I
  | will host- and I have some web knowledge myself- it would be
  | interesting to
  | see how everyone sets up-
  | My setup just is not satisfying right now- and I seem to change
  | it depending
  | on what I want to do- I guess having a clear idea on what you want to do
  | makes the configuring part much easier-
  |
  | Cliff
  |
  | -----Original Message-----
  | From: Javier Miranda V. [mailto:gnominus@earthling.net]
  | Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 1999 7:16 PM
  | To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
  | Subject: RE: asking for some advice....
  |
  |
  | Well, first thing you should try all possible wirings and decide which
  | sounds better to you.  But in general, amplifying should be
  | last.  Unless
  | someone else disagrees, of course.
  |
  |   | -----Original Message-----
  |   | From: Todd Reynolds [mailto:todd@toddreynolds.com]
  |   | Sent: Tuesday 07 September 1999 1:43 PM
  |   | To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
  |   | Subject: asking for some advice....
  |   |
  |   |
  |   | dear looping partner's in crime,
  |   |
  |   | am adding some new gear to my rack and so far have had some
  | issues with
  |   | gain structure.  i wondered if i could solicit some advice.
  |   |
  |   | here is the gear...
  |   |
  |   |
  |   |
  |   | sony freedom series wireless system  at line level...
  |   |
  |   | a pendulum audio preamp
  |   |
  |   | lexicon mpx G2 effects unit
  |   |
  |   | jamman
  |   | echoplex
  |   |
  |   | all going to a walter woods amplifier.
  |   |
  |   |
  |   | the questions i have are concerned with signal path.  i have been
  |   | sending my instrument thru the preamp to the amp, then sending and
  |   | returning through all the other gear from the amp itself.
  | i'm thinking
  |   | of sending and returning from the preamp itself, doing all the
  |   | processing and looping, then going to the amp in the end with the
  |   | effected signal.  would any of you be kind enough to offer me some
  |   | suggestions or feedback?
  |   |
  |   | thanks,
  |   |
  |   | todd reynolds
  |   |
  |   | --
  |   | Todd Reynolds                                    "paint as
  | you like, and
  |   | die happy"   -   henry miller
  |   | 500B Grand St.  11G
  |   | New York, NY  10002
  |   |
  |   | 212 475-8559  phone
  |   | 917 861-1755  cell, pager, et al.
  |   |
  |   | todd@toddreynolds.com
  |   | http://www.toddreynolds.com
  |   |
  |   |
  |   |
  |
  |
  |

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Todd Madson  writes:
>Well, I had lots of fun just before I left for my vacation: I stayed up
>until two in the morning using the delay in the VS-840 nearly maxed out
>and then into the Mac running the Procrastination looper set on, oh,
>four minutes.

Oh, Todd, what is this Procrastination looper of which you speak?

A search of the archives produced no hits for this name...

	/t

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I know there's some Oliveros listeners out there, so i ask for direction.

Ordered the Deep Listening Band CD and since s&h was only $1 more, i
selected a second title (Suspended Music) which i've since been notified,
they don't have.

Can anyone recommend a second title to replace Suspended Music with?

Cheers!
Jim

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So, i'm trying to read up on these 'SUS' mode functions right?  And usually
you'd go to the manual right?  Well, i started digging into my Echoplex
manual, and the damn thing drove me to drinking... Dat's right, before a
half hour had gone by i had my bottle of Absolut Mandarin (mmmmmm...
Mmmandarin...) out on the table and was well on my way to oblivion.  Driven
to drink by a badly-written manual.....

Is there anyplace on the website (or anywhere else online) that i can read
about the granular functionality of the EDP?  Maybe i missed it?

Cheers!
Jim.

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Clifford Novey wrote:
> 
> Attention all Loopers- I am interested in the thread regarding signal path/
> gear setup- any genius out there who could interface a program that makes
> diagrams like Guitar Shop or basic schematic type diagrams to a web form? I
> will host- and I have some web knowledge myself- it would be interesting to
> see how everyone sets up-
> My setup just is not satisfying right now- and I seem to change it depending
> on what I want to do- I guess having a clear idea on what you want to do
> makes the configuring part much easier-
> 

Clifford

download the winblade program which is the computer interface of the
famous switchblade 
audio patcher
you can make up graphic views of your rig then just make a printscreen
to jpg

the problem with winblade is that you're going to have some violent gear
lust addiction
after playing with it

in case here is the url 
http://www.soundsculpture.com

Claude

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Illustrator is definitely the top choice for
professional-looking line diagrams.  However,
the drawing program in ClarisWorks/AppleWorks
is not bad either.  On the Windoze side, Visio
would be my choice.

Jim

Clifford Novey wrote:
> 
> Attention all Loopers- I am interested in the thread regarding signal path/
> gear setup- any genius out there who could interface a program that makes
> diagrams like Guitar Shop or basic schematic type diagrams to a web form? I
> will host- and I have some web knowledge myself- it would be interesting to
> see how everyone sets up-
> My setup just is not satisfying right now- and I seem to change it depending
> on what I want to do- I guess having a clear idea on what you want to do
> makes the configuring part much easier-
> 
> Cliff
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Javier Miranda V. [mailto:gnominus@earthling.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 1999 7:16 PM
> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
> Subject: RE: asking for some advice....
> 
> Well, first thing you should try all possible wirings and decide which
> sounds better to you.  But in general, amplifying should be last.  Unless
> someone else disagrees, of course.
> 
>   | -----Original Message-----
>   | From: Todd Reynolds [mailto:todd@toddreynolds.com]
>   | Sent: Tuesday 07 September 1999 1:43 PM
>   | To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
>   | Subject: asking for some advice....
>   |
>   |
>   | dear looping partner's in crime,
>   |
>   | am adding some new gear to my rack and so far have had some issues with
>   | gain structure.  i wondered if i could solicit some advice.
>   |
>   | here is the gear...
>   |
>   |
>   |
>   | sony freedom series wireless system  at line level...
>   |
>   | a pendulum audio preamp
>   |
>   | lexicon mpx G2 effects unit
>   |
>   | jamman
>   | echoplex
>   |
>   | all going to a walter woods amplifier.
>   |
>   |
>   | the questions i have are concerned with signal path.  i have been
>   | sending my instrument thru the preamp to the amp, then sending and
>   | returning through all the other gear from the amp itself.  i'm thinking
>   | of sending and returning from the preamp itself, doing all the
>   | processing and looping, then going to the amp in the end with the
>   | effected signal.  would any of you be kind enough to offer me some
>   | suggestions or feedback?
>   |
>   | thanks,
>   |
>   | todd reynolds
>   |
>   | --
>   | Todd Reynolds                                    "paint as you like, and
>   | die happy"   -   henry miller
>   | 500B Grand St.  11G
>   | New York, NY  10002
>   |
>   | 212 475-8559  phone
>   | 917 861-1755  cell, pager, et al.
>   |
>   | todd@toddreynolds.com
>   | http://www.toddreynolds.com
>   |
>   |
>   |

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Todd Reynolds wrote:


>dear looping partner's in crime,
>
>am adding some new gear to my rack and so far have had some issues with
>gain structure.  i wondered if i could solicit some advice.
>
>here is the gear...
>
>
>
>sony freedom series wireless system  at line level...
>
>a pendulum audio preamp
>
>lexicon mpx G2 effects unit
>
>jamman
>echoplex
>
>all going to a walter woods amplifier.
>
>
>the questions i have are concerned with signal path.  i have been
>sending my instrument thru the preamp to the amp, then sending and
>returning through all the other gear from the amp itself.  i'm thinking
>of sending and returning from the preamp itself, doing all the
>processing and looping, then going to the amp in the end with the
>effected signal.  would any of you be kind enough to offer me some
>suggestions or feedback?


First suggestion: add an instrument to your signal chain, preferably, but
not necessarily, at the beginning. :)
With a sonic image of what you're playing, I might unload my opinions on
youse. Overall, I would definitely put the preamp first. Generally, just
plug things in in different orders and use your ears. Make notes. And write
things down too.
Douglas Baldwin, Alpha male Coyote, the Trickster
dbaldwin@suffolk.lib.ny.us


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Jim Keepnews wrote:


>First, Kim Flint writes:
>
>> yeah, yeah, yeah... we're workin' on it!
>>
>> dreaming up completely new loop functions, then trying to figure out how
to
>> make them work elegantly with all the other loop functions is no simple
>> thing....more like wine making than engineering....but we're getting
there.
>> Believe me, we want to be finished working on the new Loop software
>> generation just as badly as you want to begin using it!
>
>Then, as if to slip into a pair of slyboots, Kim Flint goes ahead and
writes:
>
>> Once again, THERE IS NO NEW ECHOPLEX BEING PRODUCED. No new designing, no
>> new schematics, no long engineering cycles, etc. Its the SAME echoplex,
>> with just a delay in production while they figure out some byzantine
>> business organizational issues.
>

Now may I suggest that these statements were made in reverse order? I
believe KF first said  "There is no new EP yadayada...", THEN said, "We're
pouring wine on our cheese'n'chips, etc."
    Still confusing, and I hope it gets addressed, but fractionally more
understandable, even tho' it may be an irrational fraction, like 6 divided
by 71, and how about these newfangled computers that don't even have basic
math symbols like a division symbol? maybe Kim and Jim could get together on
that one, and I won't even start on the "where's-the-off-switch?" computer
problem.

>Well, er, uh, please to forgive me for prying, KF -- your time is your own,
as far as
>I'm concerned, and provided it's consensual and not within the Great State
of Georgia,
>what you do with codes and diodes is your own charming affair -- but, em,
er, if, as
>you remark with such dramatic elan, "THERE IS NO NEW ECHOPLEX BEING
PRODUCED...Its
>(sic) the SAME echoplex, with just a delay in production," I, ep, umm,
well, what in
>tarnation are you spending all this time "dreaming up completely new loop
functions,
>then trying to figure out how to make them work elegantly with all the
other loop
>functions..." if it's to be the same, without these dreamy new functions
and suchnot
>added? Why not go out dancing? Or stock up on Fresca before the End Times
hit? You take
>my meaning?
>
>Some clarification, please, on this old EDP/new EDP rollout -- are they
going to make
>the old right up to the point that there is a new? Will your software be an
upgrade to
>what already exists or will us loopies need to shell out for a whole new
bundle of
>hardware? I seek to know "when" only in relation to "what". Thank you.
>
>However, as if the aforementioned weren't enough, Kim Flint goes on and
writes:
>
>> We're always open to feedback and suggestions!
>
>Well, since you brought it up...here's suggestions:
>
>1. The capability of dividing any loop length by any integer..."but, but,
Jamie,
>th-that would mean, I don't know, dividing a six-second loop by, goodness,
one of those
>loathsome prime numbers, like seventy-one, w-wouldn't it?"

You see, I had to go dig up my pocket calculator to do this stupid problem!
But 6 divided by 71 equals a neat lil' granule of .084507th of a second. Is
that what you were driving at, Jimbo?

>You bet your g-dd-mn f-cking
>-ss it would, you craven little girlboy (sorry...talking to myself
again...). Perhaps
>each of these irreducible fractions treatable as a "virtual" loop, to be
taken apart,
>conceivably, out of sequence or treated separately in the series they were
divvied up
>in. Along these lines:
>
>2. A loop "sequencer" -- needn't be much more than ye olde analogue fteppf
fequencerf
>of yore, just something that says to the EDP "play loop 1 twice, play loop
2 once, 3 is
>straight out, then play loop 4 backwards, then 1 on a ramp from quarter
speed to full
>speed again within the length of the loop; repeat. Serve hot." with
multiple "songs" to
>be stored. Along these lines:
>
>3. More speed flexibility, including ramping functions like the one
discussed above --
>if we can no longer spin a knob to speed things up and slow them down, let
them crunch
>numbers. Similarly, like my first suggestion, the possibility of coming up
with your
>own sick, sick ratios, like 16/97, or 2/1, and the ability to ramp between
the two
>within a given time frame. While we're dreaming:
>
>4. Back-uping EDP "macros" (i.e., the loop, the speeds, the "songs," etc.)
onto Zip
>drives or other SCSI-enabled storage devices. Also, the ability to read
these in, and
>other file formats as well (e.g. AIFF, WAV, QuickTime, AKAI, SDMI (psych!),
etc.) -- if
>it's a sampler we loop with at the turn of the century, the dad-blamed
contraption
>ought to behave like one. Along these final wishfully-thinking lines:
>
>5. Digital I/O, yo.
>
>Not one of these may be implemented by the EDP but I bring them up because,
with
>patience and the urge, MAX/MSP can do these today. Five years, gang, and
we'll all be
>bringing PowerBooks (or their 2004 equivalents) on the gigs. Now, if
someone will
>create a USB-to-1/4" converter...


Excellent, Excellent! But a couple of considerations: guys like me hate
keypads. I don't even know why I'm sitting here tapping away at this
confounded Satan-inspired beige pseudo-TV typewriter cheap excuse for a CD
player thing... So me for zero PowerBooks, me for many knobs and LED
readouts. Perhaps, Kim, whydoncha stick some kind of USB port onto the side
of the EP so our PC's can perform advanced trig on our loops if we so
desire, as Jim so desires? And Jim IS one of us, just a slob like one of us,
just a stranger on the buss...
    And Jim, what was that free software offer you made me? ) Private email,
please.
    And Jim, why doncha plug the gig with Holland up in Patakiville?

    Douglas Baldwin, Alpha male Coyote, the Trickster
dbaldwin@suffolk.lib.ny.us


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howdy,

someone had posted a real address (ya know, a street number) for pedalman in
nyc. i (lamely) forgot it. can anyone resupply me with it??

stig

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                   Baltimore Progressive Rock Showcase Series
                              Orion Sound Studios
                              2903 Whittington Ave
                              Baltimore, Maryland

                                   ---------

                         Friday September 10 1999 8PM

                      NeBeLNeST & The Dark Aether Project

Laser's Edge recording artists NeBeLNeST hail from France where they've
developed their own dark instrumental blend of heavy spacey symphonic rock
with tinges of Zeuhl and RIO influences with lots of ambient loopy
interludes. In addition to Progday, this only one of three US performances
planned this year, so don't miss your chance to see this fantastic band!
http://nebelnest.nfrance.com/

Fellow Progday performers Dark Aether Project will be debuting their new
lineup to their home crowd with guitarist/looper Steev Geest (also a
member of loop duo Fingerpaint) joining founding member Warr
Guitarist/Keyboardist/Looper Adam Levin, vocalist Ray Weston and drummer
Allen Brunelle for a set of dark psych-tinged prog fusion.
http://www.DarkAether.net/

ADMISSION:   $10 at the door/All ages/No advance tickets

Directions:
-Take I-95 to exit 50, Caton Ave. (Just inside the south west side of the 
 695 beltway)
-Take Caton Ave south to the third traffic light and turn left onto Washington
 Blvd
-Go 1/4 mile up the hill to the U-Haul sign and turn right onto Inverness.
-At the end of Inverness, turn left onto Whittington Ave. 
-Go to the end of Whittington and turn right into the parking lot
 at 2903 Whittington, in the Whittington Business Center.
-Orion is on the right.

========================================================================
OTHER INFO: Point your favorite web browser to http://www.progrock.net/
            or email alevin@progrock.net

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Hi:

Someone asked about Procrastination....the audio looper, right?

It's one of the coolest pieces of software I've ever used to do 
anything with.

It's an audio looper for Power Macintosh computers and uses the audio
extensions for MAX although one need not own it to make it work as you
can download a abbreviated version to make it work.

It essentially is four one minute loopers with controllable feedback
and stereo positioning for each, also with the ability to do .AIFF
dumps of the material to hard disc. 

The author of the program had versions 1.0 and then  with version 1.1
there were other versions, one long four minute loop, and another with
2 two minute loopers and the standard four one minute loops but with a
slight change to the user interface.

I'll post the URL here a bit later as it's in my bookmarks at home.  The
looper was written by a gentleman who is/was on this very list and has 
stopped development on the looper to concentrate on his music.  However,
the most recent version of the looper is available for download.

Now, for those who despair that the author has stopped development to 
work on music, do not.   You can still download what exists now.

Also, there is another, to quote Yoda.

Another neat PowerPC Macintosh looper is available to you now...the
program's called Looper 1.5.  Yes, it uses the Max audio extensions.
Yes, it also has long delay times.  And yes, it also has big regen..
What's different about it?  Oh, this one has filtering of the audio
source for further mutation.  Very cool!  Sort of like Procrastination
is like a big white horse and Looper 1.5 is a similar beast but with
zebra stripes.

 Only problem: it's a bit (well, it looks like a modular synthesizer) 
complicated - I'm still figuring it out.  The same guy is involved in
pluggo and the software based on the Life game to create filtered
sounds.....I'm terrible with names lately.

Now, let me apologize in advance to let you be aware that I cannot for
the life of me remember the names of the geniuses who programmed these
pieces of software.  I feel terrible about it, but they've definetely
created amazing software.  I'll post the URL to that software as well
later today.

So, bring out your altavista and yahoo and search for Ken Mistove (I
think he did procrastination) and then search for "Looper 1.5".

Sorry for the vagueness, it's my nature.  Zzzzzzz....

-Todd

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According to the bidder who came in 2nd (and bid $3,000), at least 4 of us
contacted him and selflessly offered up their own prized EDP's for a healthy
sum.

Pleading guilty,
Greg

(hey: I love my EDP, but for $3000 grand I'd part with it.  I mean, they'll
be made again....  someday.... maybe....)

----- Original Message -----
From: Darrell Jones 
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Subject: Echoplex sells for $3,050.00


> Echoplex sells for $3,050.00 on EBAY!
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=154268378
>
> Jones
>
>

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No way!  I thought for sure the winning bid and the 2 other 1000+ bids were
hoax bids from bad email addresses.  

And the other day I saw a Triaxis fs on r.m.m.m. for 200.00 thinking the
same thing ("that's a funny way to get your rocks off").

Hey, on a related note I've got a DSP4500 for sale - I'm asking $350.  (ha
ha, he he he - if I did own one, I wouldn't be selling it)



At 12:25 PM 9/8/99 -0700, you wrote:
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>contacted him and selflessly offered up their own prized EDP's for a healthy
>sum.
>
>Pleading guilty,
>Greg
>
>(hey: I love my EDP, but for $3000 grand I'd part with it.  I mean, they'll
>be made again....  someday.... maybe....)

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>According to the bidder who came in 2nd (and bid $3,000), at least 4 of us
>contacted him and selflessly offered up their own prized EDP's for a healthy
>sum.

for $3K you could get a beefy powerbook and write your own damn looper!
whew.  $3000.  Gibson, Gibson!

	/t

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K. Douglas Baldwin wrote:

> >1. The capability of dividing any loop length by any integer..."but, but,
> Jamie,
> >th-that would mean, I don't know, dividing a six-second loop by, goodness,
> one of those
> >loathsome prime numbers, like seventy-one, w-wouldn't it?"
>
> You see, I had to go dig up my pocket calculator to do this stupid problem!
> But 6 divided by 71 equals a neat lil' granule of .084507th of a second. Is
> that what you were driving at, Jimbo?

driving at, around, past and well into the next county, sir, yes, sir --
macrogranularity in full g-dd-mn f-echt, k-dog...

> Excellent, Excellent! But a couple of considerations: guys like me hate
> keypads. I don't even know why I'm sitting here tapping away at this
> confounded Satan-inspired beige pseudo-TV typewriter cheap excuse for a CD
> player thing... So me for zero PowerBooks, me for many knobs and LED
> readouts. Perhaps, Kim, whydoncha stick some kind of USB port onto the side
> of the EP so our PC's can perform advanced trig on our loops if we so
> desire, as Jim so desires? And Jim IS one of us, just a slob like one of us,
> just a stranger on the buss...

...but not Ozzy's daughter, sadly, although I'm willing to take a blood
test...nor have I a hat like a cone, although I'm willing to take a
blood
test...

But, Doug..._DOUG_...why should you want to malign me by association
with
keypadcentricity? Sure and you know there is much in the way of
"alternative
controllers" for computer and MIDI alike, or in series; so much so that
one need
do little more, "pseudo-TV typewriter cheap excuse for a CD player
thing"-wise
than turn it on, open an application or three, turn it off, thanks for
coming
out, be sure to try the veal, good night, Albion, MI. The Peavey PC
1600x MIDI
fader box is legendary in this regard; virtually no self-respecting
MAX-head
goes out on the gig without one. You, Doug, would undoubtedly prefer the
Big
Briar MIDI Theremin. And, you know, once that USB-to-14" converter comes
out...

>
>     And Jim, what was that free software offer you made me? ) Private email,
> please.

ixnay on the eefray oftwaresay on a ublicpay orumfay, umbkopfday!

>
>     And Jim, why doncha plug the gig with Holland up in Patakiville?

Oh, yeah...good idea...let me go back in time and send out a poorly
aligned
e-mail announcement straight away...there! Check out the last digest.

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In a message dated 9/8/99 3:41:24 AM Mid-Atlantic Daylight Time, 
clifsound@mediaone.net writes:

<<  I am interested in the thread regarding signal path/
 gear setup-  >>

so am i.......i think this would be most helpfull..........michael

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In a message dated 9/8/99 5:27:50 PM Mid-Atlantic Daylight Time, 
dbaldwin@suffolk.lib.ny.us writes:

<< Make notes. And write
 things down too. >>

wow........what a wacky idea.......i may try this..........:).........michael

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I got my new boomerang in. It's much smaller than I thought it would be.
This is not a bad thing, it's just the right size. As far as ease of use It
couldn't have been better designed. If you can't work this thing than you
probably have a tuff time opening your front door to your house. My first
impressions in the way of sound quality was not so good. The sample rate
they use is Lo-Fi. I was going to return it but after playing with it I got
to sound better. The manual which is only online said as I recall to turn
the gain up till the yellow light  only flicker a few times or something
like that. The light should have been red and across the top it should read
"If this glows red than your sound is dead." After realizing that I was able
to get a much better sound out of it. As far as my acoustic I think  one of
those acoustic preamp peddles would warm  up the sound. After playing around
with that I ran my strat through it into a fender hotrod deluxe. This combo
had no sound loss. It was a PERFECT copy. If you try this go through the
effects return. this was you can do a clean and a overdriven mix together. I
really do like this effects peddle and I recommend this to anyone. Search
the web and don't pay anymore than $450. You can easily find them than cheap
and as cheap as $400.

Final thoughts .....money value-B.........ease of
use-A++++++........sound..C+............
If you never use this thing on stage it is still worth the money just for
the practice you get playing with a background track and working out tunes
in your head.

Any word on any upgrades.............sound quality would help????????

postaldave@qx.net


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At 02:28 PM 9/8/99 -0400, you wrote:
>howdy,
>
>someone had posted a real address (ya know, a street number) for pedalman in
>nyc. i (lamely) forgot it. can anyone resupply me with it??

I don't...only used email with them (and bought from gaspedal). At the
site, it looks like the operating procedure is "E" for info, then get the
secret password. Like a speakeasy. Can never be too careful. Durn communiss...

EMAIL sales@pedalman.com 
PHONE (212) 802-7279 

Best O Luck Stig

Hasta -> Arf


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If anybody is in Montreal (Québec) on september 19, there's a good
concert at Le Cabaret du Musée Juste Pour Rire (2111 St-Laurent)
featuring the ensemble Kappa (4 sax, 4 trombones, 4 trumpets, harmonica,
drums and 2 guitars) conducted by Philippe Keyser. A modern Big Band
using loops and lots of electronics and effects.

Program: Preview (Michael Mantler), The Heart Tears (Paul Dolden), The
Precipitation Suite (Steve Lacy), Greyhound (Scott Godin) and Bien Serré
(James Harley).

Hope to see you there.

Nicolas

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Dpcoffin's Illustrator gear block diagram is an example of one of the
things I love about this endeavor.  I use Illustrator myself, but I suppose
it's overkill for those who aren't graphics professionals.

I think a terrific addition to the Looper's Delight site would be a
collection of just such diagrams; looping flowcharts are at least as
pertinent to loop technique as any details about loop devices themselves,
IMO.  What do you think, Kim?  Or whomever could set up such a thing?  I'm
not quite web-invested enough to even keep my own site in motion, so I
don't volunteer, but if anyone wants to swap block diagrams of their
current loop layouts, I have my own (quite the poor cousin of DPC's--his
gives me heavy G.A.S.) in Illustrator, and I can save/send as GIF, JPEG, or
whatever.  One of the things I'll have to get around to putting at my
site....

David Myers

><<  I am interested in the thread regarding signal path/
> gear setup-  >>
>
>so am i.......i think this would be most helpfull..........michael



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"The manual which is only online said as I recall to turn
the gain up till the yellow light  only flicker a few times or something
like that. " was said in my review of the boomerang.......i looked it up, i
don't know were in the hell i came up with that. oh well, postaldave@qx.net


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I'm trying to decide between a jam man or boomerang.
I'll be using it for live gigs with my acoustic guitar.
Which has better sound quality?
I've heard the boomerang is easy to use, how hard is the jam man to use?
Thank you.

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"I'm trying to decide between a jam man or boomerang.
I'll be using it for live gigs with my acoustic guitar.
Which has better sound quality?
I've heard the boomerang is easy to use, how hard is the jam man to use?
Thank you."

I don't believe the boomerang is for you, the sound quality isn't up to the
level that an acoustic guitarist would want. It is by far the clear choose
for electic guitar players. I haven't tried use an acoustic preamp peddle to
sharpen up the sound yet. I play acoustic about half the time and I am still
searching for a way to make the boomerang sound good.

I might add, if you are going to use the sampler for solo stuff the
boomerang is just fine, and would serve  you very well.
postaldave@qx.net and yes I am a postal worker.


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Tell Gibson that I refuse to pay $3000.00 for an
Echoplex.

Unless, of course, it has Kim's portrait & signature
on it!

John

--- Tom Ritchford  wrote:
> >According to the bidder who came in 2nd (and bid
> $3,000), at least 4 of us
> >contacted him and selflessly offered up their own
> prized EDP's for a healthy
> >sum.
> 
> for $3K you could get a beefy powerbook and write
> your own damn looper!
> whew.  $3000.  Gibson, Gibson!
> 
> 	/t
> 
> 

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Here's a copy of Kim's previous instructions. It's a
part of my "keeper" file, along with the selected
writings of Dave Coffin.

John

--- "Lanpheer, James"  wrote:
> So, i'm trying to read up on these 'SUS' mode
> functions right?  And usually
> you'd go to the manual right?  Well, i started
> digging into my Echoplex
> manual, and the damn thing drove me to drinking...
> Dat's right, before a
> half hour had gone by i had my bottle of Absolut
> Mandarin (mmmmmm...
> Mmmandarin...) out on the table and was well on my
> way to oblivion.  Driven
> to drink by a badly-written manual.....
> 
> Is there anyplace on the website (or anywhere else
> online) that i can read
> about the granular functionality of the EDP?  Maybe
> i missed it?
> 
> Cheers!
> Jim.
> 
> 

    Date:
         Tue, 20 Apr 1999 17:39:27 -0700
      To:
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         Kim Flint   | Block
address
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At 05:07 PM 4/20/99 -0800, Mark Landman wrote:

>Kim, you folks came up with the last word in long
delay times with the
>Echoplex, any thoughts about the ultra short delay
times of granular
>synthesis?
>

set record mode to SUS, set Overdub mode to SUS, Set
Insert mode to RPL
(replace). Then all these functions work in the
"sustain" mode, where
they
are only on while the button is held. What this lets
you do is tap the
button very lightly, to get the function on for a very
short period of
time.
So you can record micro-length loops, overdub
micro-sized bits, replace
micro-sized bits. (rumor has it there might be a
similar feature for
Insert
and Multiply some day, and rumor has it that it's even
more fun....) I
can
easily get the record lengths below 10ms with
Record=SUS, where the
repetition rate is an audible frequency. I'm not sure
if this is
exactly
what you are looking for, but it does seem a bit like
a real-time
approach
to granular synthesis. And its damn fun!! You can make
some very cool
textures this way. Take some loop, sustain some new
sound, tap replace
and/or overdub over it a whole bunch of times, repeat
with different
sounds
.....you'll lose a weekend, I guarantee it.

kim
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The auction for the Digitech PMC10 that was on ebay just ended.  Ended up
going for more than I thought it would - but then again, it was only about
half the price of a new Rocktron All Access.

http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=156715250

Anyone know what these things went for new when they were in production?

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I asked the very same question over on the Digitech
2101 list the other day. A PMC-10 owner responded that
he paid $275.00 way back when. I was very tempted to
go after the one at ebay, but I've found myself
distracted by this......

http://www.philrees.co.uk/products/footctrl.htm

Rogue Music says they can get it for me for $229.00.
This sounds incredibly cheap considering what the 
pedal claims to do. I contacted Phil Rees & they said
they would sell direct for 230 pounds,(that's
$373.00).
Needless to say, I'm feeling a little confused right
now.

I know we have some folks from the UK on the list. Can
any of you give us your take on the Philip Rees MM5
Advanced Midi Foot Controller?

I converted the dimensions to inches & it came out to
(approx) 14" x 6 1/4" x 2". It certainly doesn't
demand a lot of floor space.

Your pros & cons on this device are appreciated!

John



--- Sean  wrote:
> The auction for the Digitech PMC10 that was on ebay
> just ended.  Ended up
> going for more than I thought it would - but then
> again, it was only about
> half the price of a new Rocktron All Access.
> 
>
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=156715250
> 
> Anyone know what these things went for new when they
> were in production?
> 
> 





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At 12:21 AM -0700 9/9/99, John Tidwell wrote:
> I was very tempted to
>go after the one at ebay, but I've found myself
>distracted by this......
>
>http://www.philrees.co.uk/products/footctrl.htm
>
>Rogue Music says they can get it for me for $229.00.
>This sounds incredibly cheap considering what the
>pedal claims to do. I contacted Phil Rees & they said
>they would sell direct for 230 pounds,(that's
>$373.00).
>Needless to say, I'm feeling a little confused right
>now.
>
>I know we have some folks from the UK on the list. Can
>any of you give us your take on the Philip Rees MM5
>Advanced Midi Foot Controller?
>

well, I'm not a Brit, but It looks like a mighty fine midi controller pedal
to me!

I liked: it does all midi commands, modulation, sequencer, midi IN, vast
programming possibilities, (which top any other pedal out there).

didn't like much: needs more characters in the display, more patches, they
claim it's easy to program, but it didn't look that way to me. (I just
skimmed the page, though.)

I say, go for it.
kim

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>I'm trying to decide between a jam man or boomerang.
>I'll be using it for live gigs with my acoustic guitar.
>Which has better sound quality?
>I've heard the boomerang is easy to use, how hard is the jam man to use?
>Thank you.

I have never used the boomerang, but the jam man is very easy to use. More
verstile if you control it via MIDI, you can do Fades with it via MIDI.
Good luck finding one though.

I have used mulitple jam men for years, but in the last 6 - 8months have
been using dual plexes. These units are much uch more powerful than the jam
man. Might as well hold out for one of them. I sure would!

Patrick
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My take is that the buyer for $3050. is From Gibson.


>From: John Tidwell 
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>Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 22:18:16 -0700 (PDT)
>
>Tell Gibson that I refuse to pay $3000.00 for an
>Echoplex.
>
>Unless, of course, it has Kim's portrait & signature
>on it!
>
>John
>
>--- Tom Ritchford  wrote:
> > >According to the bidder who came in 2nd (and bid
> > $3,000), at least 4 of us
> > >contacted him and selflessly offered up their own
> > prized EDP's for a healthy
> > >sum.
> >
> > for $3K you could get a beefy powerbook and write
> > your own damn looper!
> > whew.  $3000.  Gibson, Gibson!
> >
> > 	/t
> >
> >
>
>===
>John Tidwell
>
>
>
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Hello,

	New to the list, I'm sold on the boomerang for guitar anyway. The
sound quality isn't bad if you run it into a decent amp I've found anyway.
Gosh a combination of both, the boomerang and jamman would be really neat. I
only have a boommerang and I really like the thing. I run a balanced line
out (tube sound) from my main tube power amp into an old ADA microtube 200
power amp into 2 2x12's. The sound is really nice.In fact, I'm planning on
adding another boomerang. I fade it in and out via volume pedals. 

Denis

Denis Taaffe
denis_aliengtr@geocities.com
http://www.dtguitar.com 

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In a message dated 9/9/99 2:04:57 AM Mid-Atlantic Daylight Time, 
postaldave@qx.net writes:

<< postaldave@qx.net and yes I am a postal worker. >>

and dave, thats why we luv ya................:)............michael

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Subject: FS: JamMan (32sec) $450 Harmony Central
From: "Travis Hartnett" 
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Asking Price: US$450
Condition: Good
Age: N/A
Description:

       Jamman with 32 second upgrade.

       The three analog knobs are somewhat scratchy (while being turned),
the headphone jack works best inserted to the first click (no problems on
the other jacks).

       OTHERWISE, THE UNIT WORKS PERFECTLY.

       Lexicon says the above mentioned problems are very common on the
Jamman. They currently perform a Jamman overhaul for $95 which covers all
inserts and pots.
       (I bought the unit used in this condition, and it has worked with no
other troubles for me during the year and a half Ive owned it.)

       BTW, I recently corresponded with a guy who bought an 8 sec. Jamman
for $450 which has the same problems, although the seller failed to inform
him of the
       problems.

       Incl. orig. footswitch+cable, p.s., copy of manual.

       $450

Seller: Jeff Lies, (402) 445-0656
E-mail: jefflies@radiks.net (Profile)
Location: OMAHA, NE
Post Date: 9/8/99

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Saluti

at the link down under you'll find some very long delay vst
plugins(PC)(4,12,and 60 sec)

the scfree plugin pack at http://acidfreak.future.easyspace.com/

now make up your patches in audiomulch http://www.audiomulch.com/

use 3 or 4 of these long delays 

play some


freak out and let your girlfriend/boyfriend sleep alone this night

zoing

Claude

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I believe I purchased mine for around $250 - $280. That's very distant
memory. I found a second one just recently. At first I recommended it
to a friend of mine, and he bought it. I told him if it didn't work
out I'd take it off his hands and that's what happened. $60.00
buckolas!!! Now I just back one up to the other after a programming
session.

>>> Sean  09/08 10:40 PM >>>
The auction for the Digitech PMC10 that was on ebay just ended. 
Ended up
going for more than I thought it would - but then again, it was only
about
half the price of a new Rocktron All Access.

http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=156715250 

Anyone know what these things went for new when they were in
production?

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Whats a dual plex?

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Hi,

I just joined this list and I know a little bit about
some of these devices but I don't own any.  Yet.  I
might be into some money soon and I was considering
getting an Oberheim Echoplex, but just what is the
price on that thing?  Last figure I saw was around
$900.  The website said something about the price
coming down when it went into production again, but
$3,000 is certainly not down!  Jam Men seem to just
slip through my fingers, someone's always quicker with
their checkbook than I am, so I've given up hope of
getting one of those.  

Well, I appreciate whatever comments/suggestions you
can give to this neophyte.  

Thanks,


Ryan Novak




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Hi people,

I've encountered a cheap  RDS 7.6  nearby  ($100)  and am considering it.
Among other loopers, I've been using the RDS 8000 already. It seems the 7.6 
is an older issue and I'm hoping it may have a grittier, early-digital sound 
quality, making  it useful for textural variation (my ol' Jam Man is 
practically HiFi when it comes to electric guitar!) 

Anybody compared the two RDS's?  
The 7.6 also has a VCO input on the back, and I believe my 8000 does not. 
What can you do with that control?

ANother difference I noticed is when set to max. delay (as it should be!) the 
time delay range seems to be greater - the dial is marked something like <1 
sec. - 7.6 sec. This may give greater pitch control of a loop (once held) 
than the 8000 which goes from 2 sec. to 8 sec. in max. delay.


Oh and one more thing - what does "Invert Feedback" do?

COmments?

eric p
echo park

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I want to thank you for helping  me to locate some knowledge on my
asrx.I was brand new to computerize hi tech samplers.Also I am not a
music note reader. So I was in outter space without a ship or pertective
suit. So thanks again and I apologize for taking so long to show  my
appreciation.
D.J.Doc Lane


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Check Onelist.com for the ASR-X group. It's definitely worth checking out
the archives ...

http://www.onelist.com/viewarchive.cgi?listname=asrx


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Hello Everyone;                                            Is there
anybody out there that can give me tips on the asrx? Tips like
sequencing,beat tempo matching and other internal settings.
I am a d.j. and I have been playing music for twenty years and now I
want to add some of my own.
D.J. Doc Lane


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Hi loopers,

I'll be playing at the Chapters Southkeys bookstore in Ottawa, Canada
this Friday, September 10 from 8:00 to 10:00 PM.

I'll be doing originals and covers (Piazzolla, Bach, Schubert, Telemann,
Gentle Giant, Lennon-McCartney, Santana) arranged for solo Stick (and
loops for some songs).  Visit http://www.geocities.com/soho/suite/7007
to listen to some sample songs.

Chapters Southkeys is located at 2210 Bank Street (north of Hunt Club
Rd.)
http://www.chaptersglobe.com/Stores/Store.asp?STOREID=2152

Chapman Stick:  invented in the early seventies by Emmet Chapman in
California, a 12-string instrument played by tapping independently with
each hand.  Visit Stick Enterprises at  http://www.stick.com for more
details on the Stick.

Hope to see you there!

Fabio Katz
http://www.geocities.com/soho/suite/7007
mailto:fabiok@home.com
#1344 6+6 Standard Tuning Grand Stick with MIDI
Oberheim Echoplex

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I am looking for a 'used' digitech spacestation in the $100 range. Does =
anybody have any leads or are willing to give up theirs?
    Jamie (in Nashville)

-sketches of everyone's set-ups might be a good idea. I'm looking for a =
good 4-6 track mixer to control the various lines into my echoplex as =
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I am looking for a 'used' digitech =
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theirs?


    Jamie (in=20
Nashville)


 


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idea. I'm looking for a good 4-6 track mixer to control the various =
lines into=20
my echoplex as well....any ideas?


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In a message dated 9/10/99 1:05:21 AM Mid-Atlantic Daylight Time, 
fabiok@home.com writes:

<< http://www.geocities.com/soho/suite/7007
 to listen to some sample songs. >>

i had no luck with this............michael

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Hey fabio,

Long time no see. have a great gig.

Patrick
                     Fingerpaint's New Release:

                            IN THE LOOP

      ... an intelligent, stimulating mixture of mimimaist spacebeats and
           obscure samples layered upon a hypnotic illbient backdrop.

                       DIGITAL ARTIFACT # 12

                      http://www.fingerpaint.net

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thanks man, i was thinking that there was a street address. i was gonna try
and get a friend in nyc to go see him for me . . . 


> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Rik Myers [SMTP:zanga@mindspring.com]
> Sent:	Wednesday, September 08, 1999 18:30
> To:	Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
> Subject:	addy?
> 
> At 02:28 PM 9/8/99 -0400, you wrote:
> >howdy,
> >
> >someone had posted a real address (ya know, a street number) for pedalman
> in
> >nyc. i (lamely) forgot it. can anyone resupply me with it??
> 
> I don't...only used email with them (and bought from gaspedal). At the
> site, it looks like the operating procedure is "E" for info, then get the
> secret password. Like a speakeasy. Can never be too careful. Durn
> communiss...
> 
> EMAIL sales@pedalman.com 
> PHONE (212) 802-7279 
> 
> Best O Luck Stig
> 
> Hasta -> Arf
> 

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mackies are cool and can be found used sometimes for not too much cash. =-) PJ

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>Whats a dual plex?

Having two Echoplexi. It is not another piece of gear. At least not yet....

patrick
                     Fingerpaint's New Release:

                            IN THE LOOP

      ... an intelligent, stimulating mixture of mimimaist spacebeats and
           obscure samples layered upon a hypnotic illbient backdrop.

                       DIGITAL ARTIFACT # 12

                      http://www.fingerpaint.net

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I need to upgrade my JamMan from 8 seconds memory to 32 seconds...can anyone 
recommend a good and cheap source?  thanks a lot...beth cohen

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Ha-ha-ha (LOL) -- that's the one they bought to make a schematic from!

  | -----Original Message-----
  | From: David Potter [mailto:papadave55@hotmail.com]
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  | Subject: Re: Echoplex sells for $3,050.00
  | 
  | 
  | My take is that the buyer for $3050. is From Gibson.
  | 

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Well, I paid around $725 for a package from 8th Street in Philadelphia,
Penn. that included the Echoplex and the foot pedal.  I wouldn't pay more
than $700 for that again.  And I would buy another one, it's just that I
gotta pay the rent too, and buy other equipment as well.  Oh, and the RAM
upgrade cost me like $25 from some store on the Internet.

  | -----Original Message-----
  | From: Ryan Novak [mailto:ryan_novak@yahoo.com]
  | Sent: Thursday 09 September 1999 12:37 PM
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  | Subject: Re: Echoplex sells for $3,050.00
  |
  |
  | Hi,
  |
  | I just joined this list and I know a little bit about
  | some of these devices but I don't own any.  Yet.  I
  | might be into some money soon and I was considering
  | getting an Oberheim Echoplex, but just what is the
  | price on that thing?  Last figure I saw was around
  | $900.  The website said something about the price
  | coming down when it went into production again, but
  | $3,000 is certainly not down!  Jam Men seem to just
  | slip through my fingers, someone's always quicker with
  | their checkbook than I am, so I've given up hope of
  | getting one of those.
  |
  | Well, I appreciate whatever comments/suggestions you
  | can give to this neophyte.
  |
  | Thanks,
  |
  |
  | Ryan Novak
  |
  |
  |
  |
  | __________________________________________________
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  |
  |

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I don't know what's considered a good price, but
Rogue Music sells "Jamman Expansion Chips (set of 4)"
for $72.

http://www.roguemusic.com/news.html




--- BCyayli@aol.com wrote:
> I need to upgrade my JamMan from 8 seconds memory to
> 32 seconds...can anyone 
> recommend a good and cheap source?  thanks a
> lot...beth cohen
> 
> 

===
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BCyayli@aol.com wrote:
>I need to upgrade my JamMan from 8 seconds memory to 32 seconds...can >anyone
recommend a good and cheap source?  thanks a lot...beth cohen

Hooray! There's a woman amongst us! (Sometimes the testosterone gets a bit
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I'm working on putting stuff together for a "source" CD right now. As you noticed,
we announced very similar projects on the same day. I'm hoping to send some stuff
for your CD, but I'm waiting and hoping that there will be enough material for
both. I guess I only need to have a couple of minutes for each CD after all...

matt

Patrick Smith wrote:

> Hi matt,
>
> I just saw your message and will read it soon. We would love to have your
> contribution " the patient said..." There is no firm submission date as of
> yet, but perhaps we need to consider that.
>
> Patrick
>
> >That's a great idea! Hopefully you just got an email from me yesterday and
> >would be interested in the "source/product" idea.
> >
> >I'd love to send some contributions, but I have to make the time. When
> >should I
> >have them in by?
> >
> >matt davignon
> >
> >Patrick Smith wrote:
> >
> >> FNGP is happy to announce the next project on board for FingerPaint. We are
> >> looking for sonic contributions from list members to be used at our
> >> discretion for our CD release "Loop This!" The loops can be ambient swirly
> >> material, bass lines, drum loops, rhythm tracks, vocal lines, samples,
> >> melodies, anything....it is up to the contributor. (All loops should
> >> contain only material created by the contributor, with sample clearance for
> >> our use.)
> >>
> >> Why are we doing this? It is a common notion that randomness is an
> >> indispensable ingredient of creative acts. In FingerPaint we begin our
> >> pieces by improvising loop(s). We use multiple JAM MEN, ECHPLEXI, &
> >> DIGITECH TIME MACHINES as well as multiple effects boxes and synths to
> >> create our loops. Then we play with this material and see what develops.
> >> Since distance and budgetary constraints prevent us from inviting other
> >> loopers directly into our studio, we are exploring this avenue as a way to
> >> begin working with other musicians. "Loop This!" will be released under the
> >> name of the FingerPaint Collective.
> >>
> >> IF we use your material, you will be fully credited on the CD, our web site
> >> and anywhere else we can infiltrate. Our two previous CD releases have
> >> generated several reviews and air play round the world. Also any one who's
> >> material makes it on the CD will receive 5 CD's to keep for the
> >> grandchildren.... When this project becomes financially solvent royalties
> >> will be paid out in accordance with the number of participants.
> >>
> >> Eventually we my be doing this with MP3 files posted directly to our site.
> >> A remix of this project is also possible. Let's explore.
> >>
> >> Send your material on DAT or CD to:
> >>
> >> FNGP
> >> PO BOX 5364
> >> Takoma Park, MD
> >> 20913
> >>
> >> Peace,
> >>
> >> Patrick
> >>                      Fingerpaint's New Release:
> >>
> >>                             IN THE LOOP
> >>
> >>       ... an intelligent, stimulating mixture of mimimaist spacebeats and
> >>            obscure samples layered upon a hypnotic illbient backdrop.
> >>
> >>                        DIGITAL ARTIFACT # 12
> >>
> >>                       http://www.fingerpaint.net

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Hello everybody. This is an invitation to all for participation in a "chain letter
tape" project. The basic premise behind these chain letter tapes is that we send a
tape around to people who add their own tracks. When the tape gets back to me, I
make a CD out of it and send it to all the participants.  Credit should go to
Michael Klobuchar for having the wonderful idea and managing the first completed
chain tape project.

I currently have a "found sound" chain tape going around. I expect that that
project will be finished in about 4-8 weeks. After that, I'm going to be eager to
start a new project that delves a little further into the whole sampling/finding
aspect of music making. At the moment, I'm planning on doing either the first or
second of the projects listed below. The third is kind of an afterthought. I'm
mostly into experimental music, but I'm hoping to get a variety of
sampling/reworking styles with these projects.

I'm very tired at the moment so I don't know if I'm providing enough details. Let
me know if you or anybody you know would be interested in participating.

IMPORTANT: please write to my other e-mail address, which is

mattdavignon@hotmail.com

The email address I'm using right now (mdavig@sfsu.edu) is going to be cancelled
in a few days, and hotmail is way to slow to get the mass Loopers' Delight
e-mails. (I'll sign up again when I get e-mail that i can use with Netscape
Messenger.) When you write to me regarding these projects, please start the
subject line with (CT) so I know what it's about. We'll figure out a new header
when we know which project we're doing first.

OK, here are my ideas

1) SOURCE/PRODUCT: All participants send me a certain amount of "source
material". This could be just about anything, instrumental tracks, drum tracks,
singing, talking and so on. I'll make a "source" CD that is made up entirely of
these tracks and send it back to all of you. Then we all make music using only
the source CD for material. The idea is that we'll all have different ideas of
what to do with this source material, and it will be interesting to hear what
different
musicians do to be different when they're using the same stuff. We'll collect your
"PRODUCT" contributions with a regular chain tape. I'll then compile your
tracks and make the "PRODUCT" CD and send it back to you. The CD's will come
packaged together, but I'll only have to send everybody the PRODUCT cd because
you'll all still have the SOURCE cd.

2) CHAIN REMIX: Ok, I know this has been done before, but it seems that it's
only done by drum 'n' bass and techno people. I'd like to see a project done where

all the musicians come from different musical stances. The basic premise is that
we
start with one song, preferably something accessible yet creative. We send both
the entire song and the seperated tracks on a tape or CD to the next person.
[For example, the tape would have 1) whole song then 2) just the drum track then
3) just the guitar track and so on.] The second person makes a remix or a new song
out of the old song by using both samples of the most recent track and new samples
and instrumental (or programmed/looped?) material. Basically, he's allowed to do
whatever he wants, as long as the previous mix is still recognizeable as the
source. The second person then sends ONLY HIS version of the song to the next
person in line, both in complete form and with tracks seperated. This way, each
person in line only has the most current version of the song to remix/create
from. I think it will make the project more interesting if, for example, the 5th
person in line only hears the 4th version of the song. That way, he can't hear
what the original was and is not tempted to remain faithful to the original.
This will be a study of a songs evolution through reworking/remixing. Each step
will
be new ideas mixed with old ideas. It's possible that by the 4th version, any
sign of the original may have dissappeared. Then again, tracks very similar to the
original could keep coming back accidentally. It's hard to tell from the beginning
what the result will be on this one.

3) MUSIC OF ERRORS: This is kind of a side note, but while listening to the
messed up version of the East Coast CT disc (Mr. Fodder and Rafter won't know
what I'm talking about), I started to really like the strange mutation of Tim
Nelson's song,  sounding completely different than it should've, but somehow
really beautiful and worthy of listen and appreciation. All of the messed up
songs (was it a "buffer underrun error"?) sound radically different than the
originals, but Tim's almost sounds like a whole new creature that could walk by
itself. I'm curious to know how many of you have had this happen, where some
fatal mistake caused your song to become some strange mutant with a whole new
sense and purpose. If there's enough of you, and enough different errors, I'd
like to make a compilation of just the error versions of the songs.


I will probably make these CD's available through mail-order for really
cheap ($4 per regular CD, or $5-6 for the 2 cd set "Source/Product", postage
paid). It would be really complex for me to charge $10 and send everyone a
profit, so we'll make it cheap advertising where nobody makes a profit. This is
the cost of raw materials and postage. Just a chance to get heard by new people
and exchange ideas.

As much as I appreciate any participation, I'm much too poor to provide
the CD's and postage to get you guys all free copies. (For anyone who wasn't
here for the last go-around and doesn't already know,) we'll divvy up the costs,
which will probably come up to $6-8 for "source/product", $4-5 plus one blank tape
for the chain remix, and just $4-5 for "Music of Errors".

best,

Matt Davignon

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At 7:27 PM -0700 9/8/99, David Myers wrote:
>Dpcoffin's Illustrator gear block diagram is an example of one of the
>things I love about this endeavor.  I use Illustrator myself, but I suppose
>it's overkill for those who aren't graphics professionals.
>
>I think a terrific addition to the Looper's Delight site would be a
>collection of just such diagrams; looping flowcharts are at least as
>pertinent to loop technique as any details about loop devices themselves,
>IMO.  What do you think, Kim?  Or whomever could set up such a thing?  I'm
>not quite web-invested enough to even keep my own site in motion, so I
>don't volunteer, but if anyone wants to swap block diagrams of their
>current loop layouts, I have my own (quite the poor cousin of DPC's--his
>gives me heavy G.A.S.) in Illustrator, and I can save/send as GIF, JPEG, or
>whatever.  One of the things I'll have to get around to putting at my
>site....
>
>David Myers
>
>><<  I am interested in the thread regarding signal path/
>> gear setup-  >>
>>
>>so am i.......i think this would be most helpfull..........michael


hey, I think this is a great idea! At the moment, I'm buried under an
unprecedented amount of work, so I'd need a lot of help from someone to get
it together. If somebody out there is motivated about this and is
reasonably skilled in web page creation, would you like to take it on? All
you need to do is organize people's setup contributions, make a few nice
pages out of it (that are all ready to upload), and forward on to me. I'll
put it up, and you'll gain fame and fortune with your name prominently
displayed on Looper's Delight!

Remember, the more people chip in, the better your loop community gets.
Now's your chance!

thanks,
kim

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Hi all

Just a brief note to advise that I'll be playing in the cafe area of the
British Library [96 Euston Rd, London NW1 2DB] next Wednesday, 15th
September between 12.30 and 2pm.

Further details, inc. a map, available at
, and some audio examples, including
the relatively recent: Satie's Faction [Can't get me no] can be found at


I thank you

David

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I recently bought a new answering machine that records messages with very
poor sound quality.  It seems to have a noise gate that cuts off words that
aren't spoken loudly enough.  Needless to say, I replaced it with a better
model.

Is there some way that I can use the digital recording mechanism as a
looper in my guitar rig?

Mark Kata


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From: "Clifford Novey" 
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Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 03:55:26 -0700
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I have discovered a software program that is amazing- it is called Generator
and it is a deep program for literally creating synth modules and chains.
The absoloute best thing for me is that you can tweek your settings so that
you get NO DELAY between your keyboard and computer generated sounds you
hear- man, I have everything from feedbacking ring modulated moog like
sickness to classic leslie-organs- and I AM LOOPING it right now as we
speak- HOW NICE to play against different sounds! What an incredible thing
for a MIDI GUITAR!!!! Oh my gosh! How do I make a midi guitar cheap????
Help, I am too excited!!!! It is made by Native Instruments.
www.native-instruments.com

You have to see it- it is so deep- you choose or CREATE a source- ORGAN then
route it to a leslie or filter or WHATEVER- actually it looks A LOT like
that interface for making schematics someone posted about- I am just so
happy because I am always plagued by a horrible delay when trying to use a
virtual instrument in Cubase- I have an ultra cheap Midiman D-Man soundcard
but this works PERFECT! It is like I just bought a moog, Juno , every thing
you can think of!!!

You all really need to check this out- e-mail me off list for options-

Clifford

PS I will have new loops on my website with this!!!!!!!!!

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Hi looping world

Manufacturing looping devices seems to be easier to me than writing HTML
for my website : my photos sometimes refuse to appear

So please find here another portrait of my DJRND2 device. Hope it will
not take too much of your time to receive it

Last night, I had a chance to check it out live with a DJ in a wellknown
discotheque in Paris. Nice and discreet. People go on dancing on
multiple loops just as if it was several LPs mixed together. I just pick
up in loops different passages and keep them sync while the DJ plays his
records, so he can at any time add loops in his mix. At the end, he lets
me make the show for a while with only loops mixed together. Works
pretty well

Emmanuel
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http://www.harmony-central.com/Newp/1999/Oberheim-Armadillo.html

Oberheim Now Distributed in US by
  Armadillo

  September 10, 1999 - Armadillo Enterprises has announced that they are
now the new
  distributors of the Oberheim product line in the United State. These
products are made
  in Italy under the parent corporation "Viscount." Viscount has 35
full-time engineers
  that are managing to come up with some great new products for the
Oberheim line.

The new products that will be out within the next 6 months are the OB12 and
the OB5.

No mention of the you-know-what, and it isn't on the site...

:-(

MT

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We have the chips for $72

Dick Michaels
rogue Music NYC
http://www.roguemusic.com
http://www.auctionsoup.com

BCyayli@aol.com wrote:

> I need to upgrade my JamMan from 8 seconds memory to 32 seconds...can anyone
> recommend a good and cheap source?  thanks a lot...beth cohen



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I understood that Gibson was going to continue to market the Oberheirm 
Echoplex EDP....that the assembly facility was being rebuilt, and that EDP's 
would be available once again, in a few short months. I don't know where the 
manufacturing is to take place, and whether or not Gibson will be doing the 
manufacturing or others.  

Again, Michael Ayers of Gibson, is the fellow that gave me that information a 
few short months ago!

Regards, Wayne

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the rep for armadillo came into my store & yakked for 3 hours non-stop
(egads). he knew nothing about echoplex manufacture but boy could he go
on about johnny rabb drumsticks. he wouldn't leave. i felt i was being
punished.

bobdog

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Hey -

Can someone give me this URL?  I'd like to check it our and see if it's the
kind of thing that might interest me.  If it's not over my head, I might be
willing to volunteer to do this.  I can even host, if Kim's running low on
space...

Thanks,

MT



>At 7:27 PM -0700 9/8/99, David Myers wrote:
>>Dpcoffin's Illustrator gear block diagram is an example of one of the
>>things I love about this endeavor.  I use Illustrator myself, but I suppose
>>it's overkill for those who aren't graphics professionals.
>>
>>I think a terrific addition to the Looper's Delight site would be a
>>collection of just such diagrams; looping flowcharts are at least as
>>pertinent to loop technique as any details about loop devices themselves,
>>IMO.  What do you think, Kim?  Or whomever could set up such a thing?  I'm
>>not quite web-invested enough to even keep my own site in motion, so I
>>don't volunteer, but if anyone wants to swap block diagrams of their
>>current loop layouts, I have my own (quite the poor cousin of DPC's--his
>>gives me heavy G.A.S.) in Illustrator, and I can save/send as GIF, JPEG, or
>>whatever.  One of the things I'll have to get around to putting at my
>>site....
>>
>>David Myers
>>
>>><<  I am interested in the thread regarding signal path/
>>> gear setup-  >>
>>>
>>>so am i.......i think this would be most helpfull..........michael
>
>
>hey, I think this is a great idea! At the moment, I'm buried under an
>unprecedented amount of work, so I'd need a lot of help from someone to get
>it together. If somebody out there is motivated about this and is
>reasonably skilled in web page creation, would you like to take it on? All
>you need to do is organize people's setup contributions, make a few nice
>pages out of it (that are all ready to upload), and forward on to me. I'll
>put it up, and you'll gain fame and fortune with your name prominently
>displayed on Looper's Delight!
>
>Remember, the more people chip in, the better your loop community gets.
>Now's your chance!
>
>thanks,
>kim
>

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Heck I can do a diagram right here...view in courier for best results.
I hope this works...

Signal path goes from to to bottom.  Note the path is in stereo except
as noted.

Input Source = Guitars, Keyboard Synths, Drum Machines, Mics, etc.
Type !  !       Mono        Stereo          Stereo      Mono
     !  !
Boss DD-3 Delay (2 second delay)
     !  !
     !  !
Assorted Stompboxes (too many to list here)
     !  !
     !  !
Mesa Studio Preamp--> FX Send L --> Lexicon Vortex ---> Lex 2 Pos Switch
 !   !  !   ^  ^  --> FX Send R --> FX/Loops/Drones     A/B+Tap Delay
 !   !  !   !  !                             ! !
 V   !  !   L  R                             R L
 3   !  !   !  !                             ! !
Pos  !  !   !  !                             ! !
Sw   !  !   !  !                    ART SGE FX Unit --> ART X-11 MIDI
     !  !   !  !                             ! !        controller
     !  !   !  !                             !
     !  !   !  !                    BBE 422 Sonic Maximizer   
     !  !   !  !                             R L
     !  !   !  !                             ! !
     !	!   \  ^<---FX Return Right Channel-/ /
     !  !    ^ <-- FX Return Left Channel <--/
     !  !
Roland VS-840 (COSM FX (2 sec. dly) + signal routing + mixing/recording).
     !  !
     !  !
PowerMac 6400, 80M ram, 512K cache, 1.6 Gig HD.
Audio recording, mixing, mastering, sweetening.
Procrastination Looper (4 minutes delay time),
CD burning capability + other audio joyfulness.

For my live rig, after the Mesa preamp there's a Roland JC-120.
The left output goes into the left channel of the amp and the 
right output goes into the right channel for a stereo signal.

-Todd




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Whoa.  35 sounds like a huge number --  overkill, almost -- I wonder if 
this includes tech support engineers?  :)

I believe a mockup of the OB12 was showing at the Frankfurt Messe -- the 
appearance was quite classy, and different from the Matrix series, from 
what I can recall of an even half a year ago...

The real question is:  will we get an EDP with a different color front 
panel? :)  
Now I'm really really regretting missing out on the group buy...  

>http://www.harmony-central.com/Newp/1999/Oberheim-Armadillo.html
>
>Oberheim Now Distributed in US by
>  Armadillo
>
>  September 10, 1999 - Armadillo Enterprises has announced that they are
>now the new
>  distributors of the Oberheim product line in the United State. These
>products are made
>  in Italy under the parent corporation "Viscount." Viscount has 35
>full-time engineers
>  that are managing to come up with some great new products for the
>Oberheim line.
>
>The new products that will be out within the next 6 months are the OB12 and
>the OB5.
>
>No mention of the you-know-what, and it isn't on the site...
>
>:-(
>
>MT
>
>

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Gibson is relocating near Palo Alto in Mountainview, Calif.  Good news for 
Miko and I and the westernloopers.....maybe. Om and Out Papa Dave


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>
>I understood that Gibson was going to continue to market the Oberheirm
>Echoplex EDP....that the assembly facility was being rebuilt, and that 
>EDP's
>would be available once again, in a few short months. I don't know where 
>the
>manufacturing is to take place, and whether or not Gibson will be doing the
>manufacturing or others.
>
>Again, Michael Ayers of Gibson, is the fellow that gave me that information 
>a
>few short months ago!
>
>Regards, Wayne
>

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beth,

I believe on one of the jamman pages (about memory i think) at the looper's
delight website there is mention of this. i think visionsoft.com might be
the cheapest place. please correct me if i'm wrong.

ed




>I need to upgrade my JamMan from 8 seconds memory to 32 seconds...can anyone
>recommend a good and cheap source?  thanks a lot...beth cohen



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Emmanuel écrivit:

>   ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Subject: DJRND2 portrait
> Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 13:24:39 +0200
> From: PERILLE 
> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
>
> Hi looping world
>
> Manufacturing looping devices seems to be easier to me than writing HTML
> for my website : my photos sometimes refuse to appear
>
> So please find here another portrait of my DJRND2 device. Hope it will
> not take too much of your time to receive it
>
> Last night, I had a chance to check it out live with a DJ in a wellknown
> discotheque in Paris. Nice and discreet. People go on dancing on
> multiple loops just as if it was several LPs mixed together. I just pick
> up in loops different passages and keep them sync while the DJ plays his
> records, so he can at any time add loops in his mix. At the end, he lets
> me make the show for a while with only loops mixed together. Works
> pretty well
>
> Emmanuel
> http://web.club-internet.fr/perille
>
>   ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>

Formidable! And I'm impressed with your analog solution (gears! how steampunk is
that?) to an increasingly digital ethos.

But I couldn't tell from your site if this garçon mal is available for
sale...alors? Combien? If it isn't in "production," do you expect it to be soon?
Or is it strictly for your own use? If so, please tour the United States
immediately. I have a line on a space in Peekskill...

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FS: TC 2290 $1000.00

Asking Price: US$1000
Condition: Excellent
Age: N/A
Description:

       TC Electronics 2290 Dynamic Digital Delay in excellent condition w
box, manual ($100.00 value), and 8 seconds of sampling. This is the best
delay on the planet
       and it pains me deeply to sell it. $1000.00 firm

Seller: Eric Lyke,
E-mail: elyke@home.com (Profile)
Post Date: 9/9/99

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Unbelievable!  Looping in central Indiana!

We're doing a show of all improvisation, some of it involving looping, in
Lafayette, Indiana, this Sunday, Sept 12.  Performers include musicians,
spoken word/vocal, dancers, and videographers.  We will be improvising
individually and jointly.  See http://208.13.57.43/RoundToIt/TSMhome.htm for
more details.

Dennis Leas
-----------------------------
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I was looking for new ways to process my v-drums and tablas, when I ran 
across the GT-5.  While looking at the list-o-effects it included Loop, does 
anyone have more information on this?

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Vintage FX and other stuff

Asking Price: US$N/A
Condition: Excellent
Age: N/A
Description:

       Maestro Rhythm & Sound G-1...................$450
       Great instrument-triggered percussion and amp effects (fuzz, natural
amp). See http://www.tonefrenzy.com/maestro_rhythm_sound.htm for more
feature info and
       review. Like new condition (NOS); used very little--purchased from
unsold demo stock. Comes with hard shell case, manual, warranty card,
point-of-sale cardboard
       overlay and genuine Maestro keychain! These devices are pretty rare
and almost impossible to find in this condition. The price is $450.

       Unicord Uni-Fuzz.........$200
       Another rare piece. Wicked fuzz. A perfect compliment to your
Uni-Vibe. These things were also branded as "Sam Ash Fuzzolas" and cover the
gamut from light to
       very full and menacing. My friend says that Korn uses one, but who
knows. Price is $200.

       Also...
       MoogerFooger Ring Modulator: Almost new with box and manual, $220

       Digitech RDS 7.6 Time Machine, rackmount, some chipped knobs but
overall in good condition. $175 OBO

       Custom Hollowbody Acoustic Guitarron Bass: Handmade and beautiful.
Jumbo sound with some fret buzz. Hardshell case. Must be seem to be
believed. $350 OBO

       May consider a trade Maestro VCF Filter/Sample/Hold device (but
really want a new amp.)

       Buyer pays shipping. Pictures available.

       Ken
       KOKAYA@excite.com

Seller: Ken O,
E-mail: kokaya@excite.com (Profile)
Post Date: 9/9/99

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> Emmanuel écrivit:
> 
> >   ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > Subject: DJRND2 portrait
> > Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 13:24:39 +0200
> > From: PERILLE 
> > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
> >
> > Hi looping world
> >
> > Manufacturing looping devices seems to be easier to me than writing HTML
> > for my website : my photos sometimes refuse to appear
> >
> > So please find here another portrait of my DJRND2 device. Hope it will
> > not take too much of your time to receive it
> >
> > Last night, I had a chance to check it out live with a DJ in a wellknown
> > discotheque in Paris. Nice and discreet. People go on dancing on
> > multiple loops just as if it was several LPs mixed together. I just pick
> > up in loops different passages and keep them sync while the DJ plays his
> > records, so he can at any time add loops in his mix. At the end, he lets
> > me make the show for a while with only loops mixed together. Works
> > pretty well
> >
> > Emmanuel
> > http://web.club-internet.fr/perille
> >
> >   ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> 
> Formidable! And I'm impressed with your analog solution (gears! how steampunk is
> that?) to an increasingly digital ethos.
> 
> But I couldn't tell from your site if this garçon mal is available for
> sale...alors? Combien? If it isn't in "production," do you expect it to be soon?
> Or is it strictly for your own use? If so, please tour the United States
> immediately. I have a line on a space in Peekskill...
> 
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> 

DJRND2 :

Homemade prototypes based upon an alien kind of BPM looping method, very
efficient for DJs

686 Euros (around US$700) + shipping

I also use it on my own at home or on live like yesterday night

Emmanuel

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Todd, I hope I'm not being too optimistic about other loopers' desire or
ability to come up with graphic diagrams, but I find this kind of ASCII
stuff to be damned unintelligible.  Maybe if a diagrams page is set up,
there could be a link to simple, freeware Mac and Windows drawing programs?
Are other loopers inclined or disinclined to get into this visual thing?
Just a half-dozen loop setup diagrams would be pretty worthwhile, I think.
I'd consider doing a drawing for one person here and another there on
occasion, if someone can set up the page and accept gifs from myself and
other graphics-enabled individuals....

David Myers

>Heck I can do a diagram right here...view in courier for best results.
>I hope this works...
>
>Signal path goes from to to bottom.  Note the path is in stereo except
>as noted.
>
>Input Source = Guitars, Keyboard Synths, Drum Machines, Mics, etc.
>Type !  !       Mono        Stereo          Stereo      Mono
>     !  !
>Boss DD-3 Delay (2 second delay)
>     !  !
>     !  !
>Assorted Stompboxes (too many to list here)
>     !  !
>     !  !
>Mesa Studio Preamp--> FX Send L --> Lexicon Vortex ---> Lex 2 Pos Switch
> !   !  !   ^  ^  --> FX Send R --> FX/Loops/Drones     A/B+Tap Delay
> !   !  !   !  !                             ! !
> V   !  !   L  R                             R L
> 3   !  !   !  !                             ! !
>Pos  !  !   !  !                             ! !
>Sw   !  !   !  !                    ART SGE FX Unit --> ART X-11 MIDI
>     !  !   !  !                             ! !        controller
>     !  !   !  !                             !
>     !  !   !  !                    BBE 422 Sonic Maximizer
>     !  !   !  !                             R L
>     !  !   !  !                             ! !
>     !	!   \  ^<---FX Return Right Channel-/ /
>     !  !    ^ <-- FX Return Left Channel <--/
>     !  !
>Roland VS-840 (COSM FX (2 sec. dly) + signal routing + mixing/recording).
>     !  !
>     !  !
>PowerMac 6400, 80M ram, 512K cache, 1.6 Gig HD.
>Audio recording, mixing, mastering, sweetening.
>Procrastination Looper (4 minutes delay time),
>CD burning capability + other audio joyfulness.
>
>For my live rig, after the Mesa preamp there's a Roland JC-120.
>The left output goes into the left channel of the amp and the
>right output goes into the right channel for a stereo signal.
>
>-Todd



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just a note.  I run a calendar list called the Extreme NY Music and Arts
Calendar.  So if any of you are doing loopy performances in the NYC
area, just drop me a line directly... I do read this list pretty thoroughly
but I have been known to miss a spot!

	/t

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I believe that's and EFFECTS loop which would allow you to patch in another
set of rack or pedal effects within the GT-5's signal path.  It does have a
delay would could be used as a very short looper....
----- Original Message -----
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> I was looking for new ways to process my v-drums and tablas, when I ran
> across the GT-5.  While looking at the list-o-effects it included Loop,
does
> anyone have more information on this?
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PERILLE  m'a etonné avec:
>DJRND2 :
>
>Homemade prototypes based upon an alien kind of BPM looping method, very
>efficient for DJs
>
>686 Euros (around US$700) + shipping
>
>I also use it on my own at home or on live like yesterday night

$700!  That's about the same price as a new Echoplex!
(as we know, old Echoplexes run about $3K).

gee, you'd think it might be a nice thing to have instead
of the promised new 'plexes.

if perhaps you could post a signal path diagram or
a text description or something to the list...  it
might be very very interesting...

	/t

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Butt loopers to depraved answering machines, it's all right here, folks.  I
love it.

Mark, you've reminded me of something I've been meaning to post to the list,
a cool and sick effect that not everyone might have discovered.  It's the
only reason I haven't kicked my answering machine's sorry little backside
out the door.

On my box (Lucent Technologies), the obnoxious pre-recorded date/time
headless talker will do a great stutter.  (Where *do* they get these
voices?)  Anyway, here's how, according to the functions on my machine:

Crank up the volume.  Then hit the "change" button (it's the general change
program function switch).  Next hit "clock", or whatever will access
date/time settings.  The Voice comes up with the day of the week.  Keep
scrolling through the menu by hitting change/clock and you successively get
the hour and minutes.  Whenever you're within one function, i.e. minutes,
fast-tapping "skip" enables a rapid scroll to the correct number.  So here's
the kicker:  IMHO, the best stutter is when the Voice is moving through the
high minutes, 20's through 50's -- timing of the "skip" tap is everything,
try different tempos.  My favorite number is zero: the dude says "oh oh oh
oh oh..." (as in twelve oh-one, twelve oh-two, etc.)  This is hilarious! (I
need to get a life, huh?)

Re the fundamental problem of sucking sound quality: how about some of you
hardware geniuses rigging your mini-disc player as a message machine?
Bottle that, retire next year.

Another chick on the list,
Laurie

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mark Kata [mailto:MKata@Wintegrity.com]
> Sent: Friday, September 10, 1999 3:42 AM
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> Subject: Digital Answering Machine
>
>
> I recently bought a new answering machine that records messages with very
> poor sound quality.  It seems to have a noise gate that cuts off
> words that
> aren't spoken loudly enough.  Needless to say, I replaced it with a better
> model.
>
> Is there some way that I can use the digital recording mechanism as a
> looper in my guitar rig?
>
> Mark Kata
>
>
>

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Can you send a URL to the list?  I am going to be in NYC in Oct and Nov, and
would definitely make it out to a show.

Phil

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just a note.  I run a calendar list called the Extreme NY Music and Arts
Calendar.  So if any of you are doing loopy performances in the NYC
area, just drop me a line directly... I do read this list pretty thoroughly
but I have been known to miss a spot!

	/t

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re the gear setup picture idea:

At 6:42 AM -0700 9/10/99, Michael Tuminello wrote:
>Can someone give me this URL?  I'd like to check it our and see if it's the
>kind of thing that might interest me.  If it's not over my head, I might be
>willing to volunteer to do this.  I can even host, if Kim's running low on
>space...
>

plenty of space, just not much time.

kim

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Uncharming Europe has started:
The purpose of "Uncharming Europe" is to establish a platform where
artists, promoters, labels, radio people and whoever is active in Europe
can interface. The focus should be "experimental" music.

Info:
http://www.onelist.com/community/uncharming_europe
Subscribe:
mailto:uncharming_europe-subscribe@onelist.com

Please forward this info to everyone who could be interested. Sorry for
crossposting, but it made sense.

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	Hi Looper's I'm new to this group as I have just got hook on ACID
... My Question is, has anyone actually used ACID in live performances ? 

BTW Generator Rocks ........


	

Ernest Banyan:SYSOPS
WebMD  http://www.webmd.net
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can't ever really know how happy another person is, how can you be so
certain about an animal?''  

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>Todd Reynolds here.  You probably haven't heard my name before, but i am
>violinist with Steve Reich

Then I've almost certainly seen you play and have CDs with your work on it!
Great stuff.


>was with John Cale, worked as a sideman with
>others you probably do know.

probably I don't know them well as Reich, I've studied his work very closely.



>I'm starting up a number of my own
>projects, some of which are indeed loopy based.  please let me know more
>information about what is appropriate for your listings....  or where to
>see your publication...

http://www.topica.com/perl/read.pl?list=10000825 has the list.
you can subscribe from there too I believe.

it's an email calendar list.

any sort of music or art that can be interpreted as "extreme" counts.

send me your items, or if you subscribe you can send them right to
the list (though I moderate to prevent Spam).

	/t

btw, given what you like you might like this piece of mine

   http://www.slack.net/~tom/FarAway.mp3

though it isn't loopy and it isn't Reich either...

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> I got my new boomerang in.. The manual which is only online said...

  Hey, we're not that cheap! We just messed up and didn't get a manual
in your box. We (intend to) include a manual with each Rang.

> Final thoughts .....money value-B.........ease of
> use-A++++++........sound..C+............
> If you never use this thing on stage it is still worth the money just for
> the practice you get playing with a background track and working out tunes
> in your head.

  Thanks for the honest words & feedback.

> Any word on any upgrades.............sound quality would help????????

  It's coming soon. I will scream and holler when it's ready. And yes,
the sample rate will be increased.

-- 
Mike Nelson

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Quite so...plus there is a neat wrinkle, re: the GT-5's short delay--set up a 
preset with max delay time, with feedback at 100% or nearly, and a mod effect 
placed after the delay block. Copy this to each position in a 5-patch bank, 
then switch each mod effect to a different process. Now, you can switch from 
preset to preset with the delay line full and looping, and the delay 
spill-over will send the same loop thru each mod process...of course, if you 
place an outside mono looper (headrush, for example) in the physical loop, 
you could do the same thing with longer delay times.
dpc 


<>

Subject: The GT-5 is a looper?


> I was looking for new ways to process my v-drums and tablas, when I ran
> across the GT-5.  While looking at the list-o-effects it included Loop,
does
> anyone have more information on this?>>

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Listen, I'm really desperate. My computer had a virus and I had to =
reload everything and I lost my serial number for ACID. now, I'm trying =
to find people who might have the program in hopes that I can find the =
serial #. Can you help, or do you know someone who can?
-David

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Listen, I'm really desperate. My =
computer had a=20
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I'm trying to find people who might have the program in hopes that I can =
find=20
the serial #. Can you help, or do you know someone who can?


-David


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Why not send mail to Sonic Foundry customer support?



At 03:55 PM 9/10/99 -0500, "David Harrington" <
wrote: 

>>>>

ArialListen, I'm really desperate. My computer
had a virus and I had to reload everything and I lost my serial number
for ACID. now, I'm trying to find people who might have the program in
hopes that I can find the serial #. Can you help, or do you know someone
who can?

-David

<<<<<<<<


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Hatch:

I thought you were DEAD . . .

nice to know your still here--I've been spending way too much time playing
with stompboxes and not nearly enough time didging

hope all is well  :)

BTW for the LIST--

warms my heart to hear this talk of found looping devices

wait to purchase that expensive rack module until you've thoroughly
exhausted the possibilities inherent in the Texas Instruments Speak and ####
educational toys (using a jumper wire to short and trigger the PC
traces)--have the minidisc plugged in and ready--the results are
unpredictable and rarely reproducible

Tom Lambrecht
hideo@concentric.net

-----Original Message-----
From: lahatch 
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com 
Date: Friday, September 10, 1999 12:37 PM
Subject: Re: Digital Answering Machine


>Butt loopers to depraved answering machines, it's all right here, folks.  I
>love it.
>
>Mark, you've reminded me of something I've been meaning to post to the
list,
>a cool and sick effect that not everyone might have discovered>

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From: "Taaffe, Denis G" 
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Hello,

	Man, people knock the sound of the boomerang. for me, the sound
quality is really good. I think the way you set it up makes all the
difference though. For me, I run a line in to it (not direct guitar in), I
set the switch in the back of the boom to line (as opposed to mic or
instrument), then I keep the trim knob down until i get a solid signal with
no distortion. I keep it low and rely on the power amp to provide the
volume. This keeps the noise volume to a minnimum. When you boost the line
level, you get a bunch of noise, keeping it low avoids this. My regular tube
amps are on a volume of 3, and the amp for the boomerang (solid state with
one 12ax7 tube) runs at about volume:6. It works really well. I also run the
boomerang into a bass cabinet with 2x10's and a horn. Why ? Because the
boomerang has kind of shrill high end and I run a line in with tube sound
(balanced line in), also I can use the 1/2 speed to get some really nice low
tones. Also try getting a cheap chorus and run it in stereo. Very cool in
stereo. But I'm clumsy with my feet so I use a volume pedal to fade it in
and out.Also, I only use the pass thru (original signal) switch as an
effect, usually just the boom signal into that cab. I rate the boom like
this:

Final thoughts .....money value:B-.........ease of
> use:A++........sound:b+.(with some work)..........

Denis

Denis taaffe
denis_aliengtr@geocities.com
http://www.dtguitar.com

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From: "postaldave" 
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"It's coming soon. I will scream and holler when it's ready. And yes,
the sample rate will be increased." --boomerang rep

will this be a new model or is this something I could have upgraded. I think
your peddle is by far the coolest effect tool I have ever used. Once the
sound quality is up to a level that can reproduce Hi-fi samples I am very
sure it will be the next hottest thing since the dunlop crybaby and will be
as much a standard as a chorus peddle.
 postaldave@qx.net


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ditto==love to see this on the site for those of us who CANNOT effortlessly
cobble our toys together

drone on~~~~~~~~
Tom Lambrecht
hideo@concentric.net


-----Original Message----
From: David Myers 
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com 
Date: Wednesday, September 08, 1999 8:37 PM
Subject: Paint Me a Picture


>Dpcoffin's Illustrator gear block diagram is an example of one of the
>things I love about this endeavor.  I use Illustrator myself, but I suppose
>it's overkill for those who aren't graphics professionals.
>
>I think a terrific addition to the Looper's Delight site would be a
>collection of just such diagrams; looping flowcharts are at least as
>pertinent to loop technique as any details about loop devices themselves,
>IMO.  What do you think, Kim?  SNIP

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Hmmmm. If the attatched JPEG makes it through everybody's various ISPs.

For what it's worth, here's mine (as it exists for the moment). 

A little convoluted but probaby no more so than most of you folks.

Some funky old pieces too (that I'd just as soon relpace if I had the $$$).

On the top of my wish list is a good ring-modulator (any one say 
Moogerfooger?). 

That and a few more EV-5s...

Questions? Comments? Suggestions? Obligatory yawns?

Ted Killian

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> >DJRND2 :
> >
> >Homemade prototypes based upon an alien kind of BPM looping method, very
> >efficient for DJs
> >
> >686 Euros (around US$700) + shipping
> >
> >I also use it on my own at home or on live like yesterday night
> 
> $700!  That's about the same price as a new Echoplex!
> (as we know, old Echoplexes run about $3K).
> 
> gee, you'd think it might be a nice thing to have instead
> of the promised new 'plexes.
> 

I do not know much about new 'plexes, but I think EDP and DJRND2 are a
bit far away each others

I would say EDP is MIDI/tap-based looping, DJRND2 is a kind of BPM
autolooping that continuously spins in a given pitch consequent upon the
tempo (non-destructive change)
EDP is more for live musicians and DJRND2 for freehands such as singers
and DJs
EDP makes multiply/overdubbed footswithed loops, DJRND2 some kind of BPM
gearwheels
EDP is more like an improved tap-looping machine, DJRND2 a cyclic
multitrack BPM recorder
EDP is rackmounted with footswithes and MIDI, DJRND2 a portable
stand-alone sampling keyboard
...

> if perhaps you could post a signal path diagram or
> a text description or something to the list...  it
> might be very very interesting...
> 
>         /t
> 

See Kim's at http://www.annihilist.com/loop/tools/tools.html
and mine  at http://web.club-internet.fr/perille

There are now two possible DJRND2 versions :

DJs' version (VER53): 14 stereo loops with an automatic bar sync
- 3 16-bar loops
- 1 4-bar loops
- 8 8-bar loops
- 2 2-bar loops
total rec time = between 1 and 2 minutes
polyphony = 28 tracks (2*14 strereo)

Singers' version (VER537ms): 7mono/7stereo loops with an automatic
metronome
- 2 32-bar mono loops
- 1 16-bar stereo loop
- 4 16-bar mono loops
- 4 8-bar stereo loops
- 1 8-bar mono loop
- 1 4-bar stereo loop
- 1 2-bar stereo loop
total rec time = around 2 minutes
polyphony = 21 tracks (2*7 stereo + 7 mono)

Emmanuel

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Good lord!  What a set-up you have!  I'm not envious of carrying it all
around though!

dk

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Hmmmm. If the attatched JPEG makes it through everybody's various ISPs.

For what it's worth, here's mine (as it exists for the moment). 

A little convoluted but probaby no more so than most of you folks.

Some funky old pieces too (that I'd just as soon relpace if I had the $$$).

On the top of my wish list is a good ring-modulator (any one say 
Moogerfooger?). 

That and a few more EV-5s...

Questions? Comments? Suggestions? Obligatory yawns?

Ted Killian

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"Man, people knock the sound of the boomerang. for me, the sound
quality is really good. I think the way you set it up makes all the
difference though. For me, I run a line in to it (not direct guitar in"

I didn't mean to sound so down on the product. the first time I used it I
put an acoustic through a keyboard amp. this hi fi set up yielded a very
muddy sound. after that I ran my strat through a guitar amp and every thing
was fine.  The point I was trying to make is that this is a really cool
device as long as you are doing low-fi sampling. the guys at boomerang say
that the next model or upgrade will be out sometime in the near future with
a better sound. If this comes to pass I don't think any other sampler could
come close to this device.

have you done the backwards sole loop thing. this only makes it soooooo
cool.

postaldave@qx.net


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Hey, Ted-

Thanks for the Sustainiac credit!
Do you still work for Musicians Friend?  Can you tell me who runs it?  There
was a man and his wife from there at NAMM, who visited my Sustainiac booth,
and I think they might be the people who run it, but I can't remember his
name.

I am leaving the office now, and won't get your reply until Monday.

Thanks
Alan

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Hmmmm. If the attatched JPEG makes it through everybody's various ISPs.

For what it's worth, here's mine (as it exists for the moment). 

A little convoluted but probaby no more so than most of you folks.

Some funky old pieces too (that I'd just as soon relpace if I had the $$$).

On the top of my wish list is a good ring-modulator (any one say 
Moogerfooger?). 

That and a few more EV-5s...

Questions? Comments? Suggestions? Obligatory yawns?

Ted Killian

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Sorry Loopers, I really meant to send my last message privately to Ted.  I
sometimes stumble on the automatic "return to Loopers" feature.

-----Original Message-----
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Hmmmm. If the attatched JPEG makes it through everybody's various ISPs.

For what it's worth, here's mine (as it exists for the moment). 

A little convoluted but probaby no more so than most of you folks.

Some funky old pieces too (that I'd just as soon relpace if I had the $$$).

On the top of my wish list is a good ring-modulator (any one say 
Moogerfooger?). 

That and a few more EV-5s...

Questions? Comments? Suggestions? Obligatory yawns?

Ted Killian

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hey kids i have a tech question for ya all..
my setup consists of 2 efxs processors 3 microphones a few pedals some key
boards a 1402 and my behringer compressor. can anyone give me a hint on how
to set this up in a proper fashion so as to achieve maxium sound quality. ah
jeah by the way i am recording live to dat or straight to 4 track marantz.my
live setup is exactly like my home setup i just gotta make sure i have no
mic feedback when i play live hence the compressors.

thanks alot
c.white
>

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Well I'm another guy in line for this wonderful contraption and I'm trying to 
be patient, but got to thinking maybe one of you may know if there exists 
another looper that does what I need it to do. Namely, 1) Live performance 
guitar looping of at least 60 sec. 2) Drum machine sync (MIDI clock)  3) 
Storage and on-the-fly, foot-selection of several loops. 4) Priced under 
$1,000  
Can anybody help? 
Thanks-
Tim (mdmwoof@aol.com)

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Bobdogs tabla player(psuedobuddha and X Evil Mother)Roland has defected
to Ca. and I'm so pleased w/our initial recordings and the way my
looped,effected,e-bowed etc. fretless sounds w/live Tabla that I'd like
to make cassette copies for anyone on the list who wants one.
If you like I'll also include a duet I did w/Michael Manring.(no
looping)
   Thanks, just e-mail me off-list  Scott Kungha Drengsen
           It needs updating but I'm at  http://www.basscapes.com

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i remember reading , its not what you play with that really determines your 
sound but how you play (or compose)......is there truth to this?.........ive 
used and abused a rang for over two years and i find myself wondering, would 
my music be better if i used an edp or a jammie or a daw or a 
what-ever........i could play a kline thru a switchblade into a vortex into a 
jammie then into an edp and send it all thru my computer and im afraid i 
would still sound like me.........i really dont know what im geting at but im 
getting scared.........is there a ten step G.A.S. addiction program out 
there?.........michael

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David, your serial number wasn't only in the software.  It's in your
documentation, in the box, somewhere.  And if you had registered with Sonic
Foundry, they'd have a record that you're the owner of that serial number.
You'd be able to call them and they'd give it to you.  Other than Sonic
Foundry, who else did you give the serial number to?

 -----Original Message-----
From: David Harrington [mailto:dharringt@hotmail.com]
Sent: Friday 10 September 1999 1:56 PM
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  Listen, I'm really desperate. My computer had a virus and I had to reload
everything and I lost my serial number for ACID. now, I'm trying to find
people who might have the program in hopes that I can find the serial #. Can
you help, or do you know someone who can?
  -David

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David, your serial number wasn't only in the=20
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Listen, I'm really desperate. My =
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Michael,
	I've always adhered to the tenet of: "Use what works for you."  I'm a gear
nut myself. You just have to deal with it as a musician! Better this than,
let's say . . . heroin, eh?
Take care,
Jeff McLeod

At 02:06 AM 9/11/1999 EDT, you wrote:
>i remember reading , its not what you play with that really determines your 
>sound but how you play (or compose)......is there truth to this?.........ive 
>used and abused a rang for over two years and i find myself wondering, would 
>my music be better if i used an edp or a jammie or a daw or a 
>what-ever........i could play a kline thru a switchblade into a vortex
into a 
>jammie then into an edp and send it all thru my computer and im afraid i 
>would still sound like me.........i really dont know what im geting at but
im 
>getting scared.........is there a ten step G.A.S. addiction program out 
>there?.........michael
>
>
__________________________________________
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And now is almost over... 
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Some of you following this thread may enjoy this site:


Check out the articles and the links; it may lead to something even more
bizarre!

Tim

>> wait to purchase that expensive rack module until you've thoroughly
>> exhausted the possibilities inherent in the Texas Instruments
>> Speak and ####
>> educational toys (using a jumper wire to short and trigger the PC
>> traces)--have the minidisc plugged in and ready--the results are
>> unpredictable and rarely reproducible

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In a message dated 9/10/99 10:06:16 AM, crash@waste.org writes:

>Audio recording, mixing, mastering, sweetening.
 Say, Todd
What are you using for your MAc audio processing...and howda ya like it?
David

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yes, you are still you...if you you get a drunk asshole sober,you still have 
an asshole...if you are an inadequate musician no amount of looping or 
effects will hide that fact...at least you might not be an asshole..that's 
good...I think this may be to deep for this time of morning,I know it is for 
me...Om and Out


>From: Nemoguitt@aol.com
>Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
>To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
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>Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 02:06:29 EDT
>
>i remember reading , its not what you play with that really determines your
>sound but how you play (or compose)......is there truth to 
>this?.........ive
>used and abused a rang for over two years and i find myself wondering, 
>would
>my music be better if i used an edp or a jammie or a daw or a
>what-ever........i could play a kline thru a switchblade into a vortex into 
>a
>jammie then into an edp and send it all thru my computer and im afraid i
>would still sound like me.........i really dont know what im geting at but 
>im
>getting scared.........is there a ten step G.A.S. addiction program out
>there?.........michael
>

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Thanks, Ted
Your jpeg surprised me by coming thru aol unscathed ...looks great, and I'd 
love to hear it, too. got a tape/CD you sell or exchange? Also, how do you 
trigger the phrase sampler? I'd love more detail on how you use the GR-1 as a 
controller...is that thru MIDI note and velocity values coming from your 
playing, or just remapped foot switches?
David

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 Hello,

About three weeks ago I went to the trouble to
draw most of my gear with Smart Draw. I’ve posted
the file in smardraw, .jpg, and .pcx file formats
as rack.zip here:

http://members.xoom.com/ranjones/

Download and adapt if you like.  You can cut up
the jpg w/ a photo editing program. Smart Draw
can be found at 

http://www.smartdraw.com/

I just guessed  how to do this, as I had never
seen it done before,  and don’t have schematic
experience.  I was trying to get in on paper
since I was spending so much time reconfiguring
and/or trying to remember the last configuration.
 I haven’t started connecting the pieces on paper
yet, but was going to put the pages on a cork
board in my home studio and maybe run pieces of
colored  knitting thread between them with tacks,
so I could look and change/or remember at a
glance without getting behind the rack.  Don’t
bother asking me configuration questions, because
I’m really green at this.  By this time next week
I will have forgotten how I did any of this.

Randy Jones


--- Tom Lambrecht  wrote:
> ditto==love to see this on the site for those
> of us who CANNOT effortlessly
> cobble our toys together
> 
> drone on~~~~~~~~
> Tom Lambrecht
> hideo@concentric.net
> 
> 
> -----Original Message----
> From: David Myers 
> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
> 
> Date: Wednesday, September 08, 1999 8:37 PM
> Subject: Paint Me a Picture
> 
> 
> >Dpcoffin's Illustrator gear block diagram is
> an example of one of the
> >things I love about this endeavor.  I use
> Illustrator myself, but I suppose
> >it's overkill for those who aren't graphics
> professionals.
> >
> >I think a terrific addition to the Looper's
> Delight site would be a
> >collection of just such diagrams; looping
> flowcharts are at least as
> >pertinent to loop technique as any details
> about loop devices themselves,
> >IMO.  What do you think, Kim?  SNIP
> 
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At 07:50 AM 9/11/99 -0700, Randy Jones  wrote:

>  Hello,
>
>About three weeks ago I went to the trouble to
>draw most of my gear with Smart Draw. I've posted
>the file in smardraw, .jpg, and .pcx file formats
>as rack.zip here:


Thanks for posting them on a WEB site and not attaching files.

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Phil Petrocelli 

>Can you send a URL to the list?  I am going to be in NYC in Oct and Nov, and
>would definitely make it out to a show.

surely!

actually, I think I (mis)posted this here already...

http://www.topica.com/perl/read.pl?list=10000825

has the skinny.  In fact, the most recent performance
I saw from the list, Thursday night, had a performer
with an Echoplex... though it might as well have been
a "cloud delay" as far as I could see...


	/t

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>my setup consists of 2 efxs processors 3 microphones a few pedals some key
>boards a 1402 and my behringer compressor. can anyone give me a hint on how
>to set this up in a proper fashion so as to achieve maxium sound quality.

gain structure!  that's the most important thing.

if a signal which is too hot (too loud) goes through one of your
devices, it will overload the device and distort.

However, the noise level of a device is usually signal-independent.
So if the signal going through the device is too low then the
noise will be (comparatively) louder.

Thus, to get the best possible sound quality, the signal going through
each part of the signal chain has to be as loud as possible without
distortion at any time.

I usually get this by turning the signal up at each point until it
distorts and then backing off somewhat.  Please remember that
in live performance it seems inevitable that you will generate sounds
much louder than you would have possibly anticipated...

	/t

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In a message dated 9/10/99 6:25:56 PM, KILLINFO@aol.com writes:

>That and a few more EV-5s...
>
AMS sells the Proel PVP 16L, which looks and behaves almost identically to an 
EV-5, for $30...I've stocked up.
David

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Since the only way to get an EPD these days is from eBay for $3,000 and
since I can't afford that kind of extravagance, it looks like I have no
choice but to trade one of my kidneys for an EDP.  I'll put it up on
eBay next week but thought I'd give Loopers Delight the first crack at
it.  No, that does not mean two EDPs for both kidneys.  Too bad I don't
have any children, I'd rather keep my kidney!

:-)

I am getting loopie not having a looping device!!!


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I had the same problem some months ago.
If you REGISTERED the ACID product like you SHOULD had, Sonic Foundry
will send you a replacement CD.
But this sounds kinda fishy, since the REG# is external, and
all you have to do is find your original documentation.....
'Cuz, what good is the REG# if you don't have the product ?


>>Listen, I'm really desperate. My computer had a virus and I had to reload 
>>everything and I lost my serial number for ACID. now, I'm trying to find 
>>people who might have the program in hopes that I can find the serial #. 
>>Can you help, or do you know someone who can?
>-David

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now, now, it's impolite to make such guesses
no matter how reasonable.

I personally am very good at paying for software
but bad at keeping all those little bits of
paper and things.  So far customer support of
all these companies have hooked me up every time
that there's been a problem...

	/t

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hi to everyone,

                  I have just joined this list and hope that someone here 
may be able to help me with a query.  I have heard much about Steve Reich 
and have been told on a couple of occasions that I would like his music, 
however on visiting a music store I was confronted with about twenty 
different albums/imports and have no idea where to start.  Could someone 
recommend a good first choice as an intro duction to Steve Reich's music?

Much appreciated,


Sophie.

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drumming is good for a first

rodrigo

In a message dated 9/12/99 12:40:44 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
stigmoth@hotmail.com writes:

<< however on visiting a music store I was confronted with about twenty 
 different albums/imports and have no idea where to start.  Could someone 
 recommend a good first choice as an intro duction to Steve Reich's music?
  >>

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"Music for 18 Musicians" is as good a place to start (and start . . . and
start . ..  and start)

just reissued by Nonesuch

drone on~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Tom Lambrecht
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>hi to everyone,
>
>                  I have just joined this list and hope that someone here
>may be able to help me with a query.  I have heard much about Steve Reich
>and have been told on a couple of occasions that I would like his music,
>however on visiting a music store I was confronted with about twenty
>different albums/imports and have no idea where to start.  Could someone
>recommend a good first choice as an intro duction to Steve Reich's music?
>
>Much appreciated,
>
>
>Sophie.
>
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Dear loopers: mp3 from my band at
ftp://ftp.bahianet.com.br/incoming/.Crack!/  ( please, include the last  two
caracters). I recomend the track 2 with background loops and the backing
track (guit, bass and drum) played live in studio. Track 3 presents
microtonal work played in plastic didgeridoos , looped and procesed
percusion (recorded live) and guitars recorded,procesed, edited and re-amped
in studio. Track 1 its a good example of matematic and music and the lyric
say in portuguese in a very ironic way something like: "You can sleep
without drink from long time ago, ha ha ha'' Sorry about my poor english and
enjoy it. Next week , the last 7 songs. Good health!
Julio

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Sorry... the correct it's : ''you can't sleep...''
> Dear loopers: mp3 from my band at
> ftp://ftp.bahianet.com.br/incoming/.Crack!/  ( please, include the last
two
> caracters). I recomend the track 2 with background loops and the backing
> track (guit, bass and drum) played live in studio. Track 3 presents
> microtonal work played in plastic didgeridoos , looped and procesed
> percusion (recorded live) and guitars recorded,procesed, edited and
re-amped
> in studio. Track 1 its a good example of matematic and music and the lyric
> say in portuguese in a very ironic way something like: "You can sleep
> without drink from long time ago, ha ha ha'' Sorry about my poor english
and
> enjoy it. Next week , the last 7 songs. Good health!
> Julio
>

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Hi All,
I know there are some computer loopers out there. Just thought you'd
like to know that there's a new VST plugin that imitates the old WEM
copycats in many respects. You can download it from the Steinberg site
and it's FREE. It's called "Karlette".
Basically you have 4 delays each with independant dealy time, panning
feedback and damping (so that subsequent echoes lose top). The delay
only goes up to 2 seconds but since its in software you could run as
many as you like in series.
Now here's a funny thing. I already have lots of delay plugins from 1 to
60 seconds and I play with these a lot. I first started looping on a WEM
Copycat (i'm assuming people know what this is here). Since messing
about with this new plugin I seem to be getting more sucessful loops
than before. My theory is that the interface is at least as important to
the musician as the absolute power of the device itself. Reinforcing the
"whatever suits you idea".

Gareth

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stig moth,

yes, i think you'll dig reich.  i'm a violinist in his band for 10 years
now, and there is lot's of interesting stuff to explore.  I would suggest
the following...

1. An Internet Search (just to find out a bit about the progression of his
work)
2.  Nonesuch just released a HUGE cd collection of all his current work
3  And last but not least, here is the list of the order of his major
compositions.... in chronological order.  You'll notice he started out with
tape pieces, then phasing instrumental pieces, and then moved on to ensemble
works.  enjoy, hope this helps, please let us (on the list) know if you have
any other questions.  perhaps someone else will respond as well...
4.  if you have to start with only one cd, i'd recommend the different
trains/electric counterpoint cd  with the kronos quartet/pat metheny.  other
wise i'd recommend starting at the beginning.  it's worth it to see the
progression.  And as the very important composer that he is, I think a good
collection of work in hand is a wise educational tool for all of us..l.

best,

todd reynolds

List..............

it's gonna rain

come out

piano phase

four organs

drumming

clapping music

six marimbas

Music for mallet instruments, voices and organ

music for 18 musicians

eight lines (octet)

tehillim

The Desert Music

Sextet

New York Counterpoint

three movements

four sections

electric counterpoint

different trains

the cave

nagoya marimbas

city  life

proverb






Stig Moth wrote:

> hi to everyone,
>
>                   I have just joined this list and hope that someone here
> may be able to help me with a query.  I have heard much about Steve Reich
> and have been told on a couple of occasions that I would like his music,
> however on visiting a music store I was confronted with about twenty
> different albums/imports and have no idea where to start.  Could someone
> recommend a good first choice as an intro duction to Steve Reich's music?
>
> Much appreciated,
>
> Sophie.
>
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also, you should know that Steve is working on a new piece with his wife,
Beryl Korot, the same video artist who did The Cave with him.  the new piece
is due in 2003(?) and is called Three Tales.  It will be about an hour and a
half long and consists of three separate pieces.

The Hindenburg
Bikini Beach
Dolly

We recorded the Hindenburg earlier this year and i believe it is out on that
big collection i spoke about....

todd

Stig Moth wrote:

> hi to everyone,
>
>                   I have just joined this list and hope that someone here
> may be able to help me with a query.  I have heard much about Steve Reich
> and have been told on a couple of occasions that I would like his music,
> however on visiting a music store I was confronted with about twenty
> different albums/imports and have no idea where to start.  Could someone
> recommend a good first choice as an intro duction to Steve Reich's music?
>
> Much appreciated,
>
> Sophie.
>
> ______________________________________________________
> Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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happy"   -   henry miller
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I think what has happened so far shows the real need for a diagram page on
Looper's Delight.  Ted Killian did a nice diagram but probably not everyone
wanted to have it downloaded with their mail (and I was wondering where the
looping was happening, Ted?), while Randy Jones avoided this by using his
website, but his diagram still requires download time, and since I'm a Mac
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David Myers wrote:

<>

n


ot true, david.  i undo them all the time with stuffit deluxe!  or am i
misunderstanding you?  but i agree with your statement about diagrams!


todd

> I think what has happened so far shows the real need for a diagram page on
> Looper's Delight.  Ted Killian did a nice diagram but probably not everyone
> wanted to have it downloaded with their mail (and I was wondering where the
> looping was happening, Ted?), while Randy Jones avoided this by using his
> website, but his diagram still requires download time, and <<

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stig wrote:

>                 I have just joined this list and hope that someone 
>here may be able to help me with a query.  I have heard much about 
>Steve Reich and have been told on a couple of occasions that I would 
>like his music, however on visiting a music store I was confronted 
>with about twenty different albums/imports and have no idea where to 
>start.  Could someone recommend a good first choice as an intro 
>duction to Steve Reich's music?

I know this has been beaten to death already.  However, of all Reich's pieces,
Drumming is the most indicative of Reich's style and technique and it's
also IMHO the most exciting.

Get the two volume DGG recording.  True, it has the annoying disk change
but the recording is much better I believe and you also get two other
splendid pieces with it.

	/t

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Sophie - i think that everyone will tell you that Drumming is his best 
piece, but i got my start listening to Four Organs, which is really good, 
and Music for 18 Musicians, my version having "Phase" on it, which i think 
that you'll really enjoy if you like loop music.

Zach:)

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I second the recommendations for Music for 18 Musicians and Drumming and
also recommend Music for Mallet Instruments.  Great stuff!


>hi to everyone,
>
>                  I have just joined this list and hope that someone here
>may be able to help me with a query.  I have heard much about Steve Reich
>and have been told on a couple of occasions that I would like his music,
>however on visiting a music store I was confronted with about twenty
>different albums/imports and have no idea where to start.  Could someone
>recommend a good first choice as an intro duction to Steve Reich's music?
>
>Much appreciated,
>
>
>Sophie.
>
>______________________________________________________
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Hi All,

In a message dated 9/12/99 6:25:36 AM, dmgraph@pulsewidth.com writes:

>>Ted Killian did a nice diagram but probably not everyone
>>wanted to have it downloaded with their mail...

Sorry. My sincere apologies to all. I wasn't really thinking was I? I've had 
a little extra time on my hands lately and figured that since it was only a 
110k JPEG it wouldn't be a significant problem for folks.

>>(and I was wondering where the looping was happening, Ted?), 

Is your question technical or geographical? 

If technical then it's the two Oberheim EDPs shown in the diagram (mostly) 
and to a lesser degree, the Vortex. If you're refering to geography, I'm in 
Southern Oregon and play the odd gig in and around the towns of Ashland, 
Medford and Eugene. 

A few years back I was living in and playing around Southern Cal from L.A. to 
Santa Barbara. I moved up North for a job and lifestyle change and got 
somewhat stranded in the cultural "outback" so to speak.

>>while Randy Jones avoided this by using his website, but his 
>>diagram still requires download time, and since I'm a Mac
>>user I can't do anything with zip files!

Sorry, I don't have a website quite yet. I have Cyberstudio and hope to have 
one up in a few months though. BTW--I'm  a Mac person too (by trade a 
freelance professional graphics type to be exact). Try Stuffit Deluxe for 
unzipping those zip files.

Best regards,

TK

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Just what is this thing?

  | -----Original Message-----
  | From: Dpcoffin@aol.com [mailto:Dpcoffin@aol.com]
  | Sent: Saturday 11 September 1999 1:05 PM
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  | 
  | 
  | 
  | In a message dated 9/10/99 6:25:56 PM, KILLINFO@aol.com writes:
  | 
  | >That and a few more EV-5s...
  | >
  | AMS sells the Proel PVP 16L, which looks and behaves almost 
  | identically to an 
  | EV-5, for $30...I've stocked up.
  | David
  | 
  | 

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a very affordable volume pedal.

At 11:36 AM 9/12/99 -0700, you wrote:
>Just what is this thing? (IRT the Proel PVP 16L)

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In a message dated 9/12/99 3:58:26 PM, tcn62@ici.net writes:

>a very affordable volume pedal.
>
>At 11:36 AM 9/12/99 -0700, you wrote:
>>Just what is this thing? (IRT the Proel PVP 16L)
>
Actually, the 16L is a very affordable EXPRESSION pedal; comes with a single 
cable attached with a tip/ring 1/4-in. plug on the end...goes into a Vortex's 
(or similar) pedal jack for parameter modulation, just like the EV-5, which 
is twice as much $$, without, so far as I can tell, being any more durable, 
smoother, or whatever.
Proel also sells, for the same price ($29.95),  a stereo volume pedal, the 
14L, which has two in-jacks and two out-jacks, no cables included. Only 
problem is, it doesn't go all the way to total silence...Now WHY is it that 
so many vol. pedals fail this basic requirement--turning OFF the volume??
hmmmph!
dpc

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Well, my college e-mail address is getting cancelled. That means that I won't be able to
subscribe to Looper's Delight for a while. I am still contactable at my hotmail account,
mattdavignon@hotmail.com , but that account wouldn't be able to handle the mass amounts
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I do plan to get a new ISP in the near future, and at that time I will resubscribe.

It's been a pleasure being a part of this, and I'll see you all later.

sincerely,

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p.s. The "Source/Product" CD Project is still on.

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I have to cancel my LD subscription for now due to this e-mail address being cancelled.

This will be my last post to this page about "Source/Product"

So far, I have 5 people signed on for this project. They are Ryan Novak, Andy Soto,
Chris Cory, The Bran Flakes, and myself. We need about 7 more to get this project
rolling.

Here's a description of the project, in case anybody missed it:

"SOURCE/PRODUCT" Every participant will send me a tape or CD with pieces of audio to be
used as source material. Probably between 3-5 minutes per person. This will be fairly
simple stuff. I'm currently working on mine, and it's mostly parts of old things I
recorded only 1 or 2 tracks for. No polished, completed songs or anything. The sounds
can be anything, just remember that people will be sampling/processing them. Make it
interesting! (Please don't get me sued for copyright infringement.) I'll then compile a
CD of everybody's "source" material and send it to everybody participating. If you sent
me source material on tape then I'll send the tape back too. Then you make music using
ONLY the material on the source CD. 5-6 minures per person this time. Send me the music
on a tape with no noise reduction and I'll master it and send you the CD with
everybody's "product". It will be a 2 CD set. Source is the first CD. To participate in
this project, you'll need something to send me material twice (on tape or CD), and I'm
estimating the final product will probably cost $8-10, that's the cost of the 2 CD's
with postage, jewel case(s), and artwork.

I have excellent noise reduction software on my computer. If we use high bias Maxell or
TDK tapes with NO noise reduction, we’ll wind up with the nicest sounding product.

If there's anybody else who's interested or wants more information, please contact my
other e-mail address.

mattdavignon@hotmail.com

I'll be unsubscribing from Looper's Delight in a few minutes. It's been a pleasure being
here.

thanks,

matt davignon

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with all the acclaim about drumming and music for eighteen, i must interject and
mention sextet to you all.   This is the piece most requested in concert.  we've
been doing it steadily for 15 years or so in almost every concert.  although it
is in part an exciting visual piece (people move around alot), sonically and
formally it is a masterpiece....


tc.

Tom Ritchford wrote:

> stig wrote:
>
> >                 I have just joined this list and hope that someone
> >here may be able to help me with a query.  I have heard much about
> >Steve Reich and have been told on a couple of occasions that I would
> >like his music, however on visiting a music store I was confronted
> >with about twenty different albums/imports and have no idea where to
> >start.  Could someone recommend a good first choice as an intro
> >duction to Steve Reich's music?
>
> I know this has been beaten to death already.  However, of all Reich's pieces,
> Drumming is the most indicative of Reich's style and technique and it's
> also IMHO the most exciting.
>
> Get the two volume DGG recording.  True, it has the annoying disk change
> but the recording is much better I believe and you also get two other
> splendid pieces with it.
>
>         /t

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Well,

I haven't heard a lot, but I very much like
Different Trains (looped locomotives/voices) with
the Kronos Quartet; always transports me to a
different place.

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Hello all,

I'm new to Looper's Delight. Wondering if anyone can recommend a phaser that 
doesn't "sound" like a phaser. Know what I mean? Some I have tried are too 
obvious- sounding, like, "ok, here's my phaser pedal everybody!" Are there 
any phaser-like pedals out there that are a little more tasteful, 
less-vintage sounding?

Thanks in advance
David

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Speaking of Reich and Kronos Quartet, I noticed in the Sunday paper that
Kronos Quartet will be performing Steve Reich's Triple Quartet in San
Francisco on Sept. 24th and 25th.

As for recommendations regarding Reich's music, I have one
non-recommendation: Steer clear of Reich Remixed. This contains
interpetations and remixes of some of his work by contemporary DJ's and
remixers. Its a good CD but it could create false impressions of Reich if
its your 1st encounter to his music.


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>
> Well,
>
> I haven't heard a lot, but I very much like
> Different Trains (looped locomotives/voices) with
> the Kronos Quartet; always transports me to a
> different place.
>
> Randy Jones
> __________________________________________________
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> Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com
>


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>>
>Actually, the 16L is a very affordable EXPRESSION pedal; comes with a single 
>cable attached with a tip/ring 1/4-in. plug on the end...goes into a Vortex's 
>(or similar) pedal jack for parameter modulation, just like the EV-5, which 
>is twice as much $$, without, so far as I can tell, being any more durable, 
>smoother, or whatever.


    Do they sell an expression pedal that'll work with the Zoom 2100?


david myers:
>  On the foot controller issue, I posted a
>question a couple of weeks back which no one responded to: will a Roland
>EV-5 work with the 2100?  The answer is no, not stock.  I've found that the
>pot in the EV-5 is 10K, and the resistance needed by the Zoom is probably
>at least 50K.  I've replaced the pot in my EV-5 (two of them, actually)
>with a 100K from Radio Shack, and it's swell.  Probably any footpedal will
>do if you get the right pot into it.  Wire one side of the pot to ground,
>and the other lugs to ring and tip plug conductors (the two "signal"
>conductors in your stereo cord).

steve

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I'm sure I read someone asking about this recently? There are two such interfaces I'm aware of:

Roland make the UA-100 which does exactly what was asked about - see http://www.edirol.com/usb/

There's also the Opcode SONICport, which uses mini-jacks - http://www.opcode.com/products/sonicport/

Both also have digital audio ports...

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Hi all, 

I have no idea whether this post is going to reach the list at all as I 
had some trouble with previous posts in the past (must have something to 
do with me return ID or so). Just a silly question, brought forward by 
someone who´s just pissed off with seeing Oberheim ignoring the wishes of 
thousands of musicians worldwide: Why don´t we go out and build 
Echoplexes ourselves? I mean, there can´t be too much mystery going on 
inside these modules, and the mere fact the some people managed to cook 
up something like the Paradise Loop Delay just goes to show that it is 
possible to design and built something like this yourself, once you´ve 
found someone technically skilled enough to do that job for you. This 
would also allow the designer to incorporate performance/MIDI/sync 
features into the machine that have never been possible before. So, who´s 
going to do that job (mail me privately, please, I´d like to have two 
units anyway)?

Stephen Parsick

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I will be in S.F. the 24th and 25th. Do you have times for these gigs?  
Kronos Quartet does Steve Reich.


>From: "Alan Imberg" 
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>To: 
>Subject: Re: Steve Reich question
>Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 22:36:27 -0700
>
>Speaking of Reich and Kronos Quartet, I noticed in the Sunday paper that
>Kronos Quartet will be performing Steve Reich's Triple Quartet in San
>Francisco on Sept. 24th and 25th.
>
>As for recommendations regarding Reich's music, I have one
>non-recommendation: Steer clear of Reich Remixed. This contains
>interpetations and remixes of some of his work by contemporary DJ's and
>remixers. Its a good CD but it could create false impressions of Reich if
>its your 1st encounter to his music.
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Randy Jones 
>To: 
>Sent: Sunday, September 12, 1999 4:47 PM
>Subject: Re: Steve Reich question
>
>
> >
> > Well,
> >
> > I haven't heard a lot, but I very much like
> > Different Trains (looped locomotives/voices) with
> > the Kronos Quartet; always transports me to a
> > different place.
> >
> > Randy Jones
> > __________________________________________________
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> > Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com
> >
>
>

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hi all,

                   I'd just like to thank everyone who replied (so quickly!) 
to my Steve Reich query, in particular Todd for his chronological list of 
Reich's work.  It has helped me a great deal and given me a much clearer 
view of where to start.

Thanks again,

               Sophie.

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"Brian Thomson, London UK" wrote:

>
>
> Subject: USB 1/4" Jack Interface?
> Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 02:56:30 -0400 (EDT)
> From: "Brian Thomson, London UK" 
> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
>
> I'm sure I read someone asking about this recently? There are two such interfaces I'm aware of:
>
> Roland make the UA-100 which does exactly what was asked about - see http://www.edirol.com/usb/
>
> There's also the Opcode SONICport, which uses mini-jacks - http://www.opcode.com/products/sonicport/
>
> Both also have digital audio ports...
>
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Ha ha ha! Yeah, I made mention of such things as these in passing and with a greater emphasis, as usual,
on mirth-making than sought-after objective correlatives; not to say hardware, for that. "USB-to-1/4""
seemed to me to be an adapter waiting to happen -- plus, at least at this early stage of the game, sort
of comical, as in: "I just bring my Powerbook, my Big Muff, and fourteen Marshall heads powering
thirteen 4x12 cabs (I'll send the flowchart) with me on the gig" -- and I guess the wait was not so
long, for that. Just call me the boy who cried "USB"...this happens a lot, possibly too much.

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right now this is how i have things set up

guitar, mic, keys---------> zoom 2100--------->digitech xp 300 (spacestation)

---------->                              -----------> marantz 4 trac (channel 
2)
             alesis quadraverb 2
---------->                              -----------> boomerang ----------> 
marantz (channel 1)

this is what i use to get the original loops into the rang, i am using the 
marantz basically as a mixer........this allows me to hear the loop on 
channel 1 and  any new input on channel 2 (using the thru/mute button on the 
rang).........now when i go to record this, i take the aux send of the rang 
and send that thru the xp 300--> Q2 -->
marantz channel 2.......this way i get the original loop, un-effected in 
channel 1 and the effected loop on channel 2.........now my question is this, 
short of using the pan knobs on the marantz, is there anyway to get a more 
stereo feel to the mix (a bit more motion) so that the final mix is more 
dynamic.......i just thought of this........
as the second step:
                 ---------> marantz----------------------------------> 
marantz channel 1
boomerang                                                   --------> marantz 
channel 2
                 aux send-----------> xp300------> Q2 
                                                                   --------> 
marantz channel 3
perhaps using the 2 lines out of the Q2 on the final mix, i might get a bit 
more movement of the final signal .........i never had these problems way 
back when i was doing peter, paul and mary 
covers.........thanks.........michael

p.s. i know when i hit the send button on this e-mail all that i have written 
will become more convaluted than it already is.......:).......m

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i was right.......reading my last post it came out way differently than i 
sent it.....seems that e-mail is compressed or changed when you send signal 
paths or diagrams.......sorry to waste your time..........michael

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Hi Michael,

I followed the recent thread on the Zoom 2100 in Loopers Delight with great
interest, and have been thinking about buying one.

What are its strong and weak points?

Thanks,
Mark Kata
Shelby Township, Michigan

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Finally added a few items to my website, including a diagram of the sort
we've been speaking about.  Until we get a diagram page on Looper's
Delight, loopers may want to take a look there.  Much simpler gear in this
than others I've seen, but the idiosyncratic signal routings may be of
interest.

David Myers

http://www.pulsewidth.com


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Well, I bought one of the 2100's at $99.99 - with a 5% off bit, after 2-3
day shipping, only $103!

The setup this hopefully wondrous unit will be adjoining to is:

Guitar/Mic/Keyboard ----> Mixer (aux to DigiTech 7.6 loop)
Mixer ----> QuadraVerb+ ----> BSR EQ unit ---> PC in

Suggestions?  I have a feeling that I will be getting a new mixer before
end-of-year... I could use a quieter AUX path, if not a second one!

While we're at it, what's "phantom power"?

Stephen Goodman       * It's the free Loop Of The Week!
EarthLight Productions * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios.html

From: 
> right now this is how i have things set up
>
> guitar, mic, keys---------> zoom 2100--------->digitech xp 300
(spacestation)
>
> ---------->                              -----------> marantz 4 trac
(channel
> 2)
>              alesis quadraverb 2
> ---------->                              ----------->
boomerang ---------->
> marantz (channel 1)
>
> this is what i use to get the original loops into the rang, i am using the
> marantz basically as a mixer........this allows me to hear the loop on
> channel 1 and  any new input on channel 2 (using the thru/mute button on
the
> rang).........now when i go to record this, i take the aux send of the
rang
> and send that thru the xp 300--> Q2 -->
> marantz channel 2.......this way i get the original loop, un-effected in
> channel 1 and the effected loop on channel 2.........now my question is
this,
> short of using the pan knobs on the marantz, is there anyway to get a more
> stereo feel to the mix (a bit more motion) so that the final mix is more
> dynamic.......i just thought of this........
> as the second step:
>                  ---------> marantz---------------------------------->
> marantz channel 1
> boomerang                                                   -------->
marantz
> channel 2
>                  aux send-----------> xp300------> Q2
>                                                                    -------
->
> marantz channel 3
> perhaps using the 2 lines out of the Q2 on the final mix, i might get a
bit
> more movement of the final signal .........i never had these problems way
> back when i was doing peter, paul and mary
> covers.........thanks.........michael
>
> p.s. i know when i hit the send button on this e-mail all that i have
written
> will become more convaluted than it already is.......:).......m
>

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I just got a looper! EEEEK I can't wait!
Digitech 7.6 time machine for $138.00 on Ebay!
I am jumping around and laughing.
Okay, okay, I'll calm down. I actually have a reason to post this.
Within the last couple of months, someone was asking about Smartmedia cards
for a Boss SP202 Dr. Sample.
Does anyone know where to find the damn things?
Please E-mail me privately, let's not waste our fellow loopers time any more
than I just did. Grin.

Cube equal amounts of:
fresh mangoes
fresh ripe avocado
fresh crisp pears 
into a bowl,
squeeze fresh lime juice over top,
toss and serve
serves you right. Food for love on a hot summer night.
Dael Tea Franke

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So what happens when you feed back a reverb mod? how do you use it in music.
do you need to play something through it first or will it just start feeding
back?



Finally added a few items to my website, including a diagram of the sort
we've been speaking about.  Until we get a diagram page on Looper's
Delight, loopers may want to take a look there.  Much simpler gear in this
than others I've seen, but the idiosyncratic signal routings may be of
interest.



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Musician's Friend (http://www.musiciansfriend.com) had it.  I'd looked into
this after the glowing referrals to the 2100, and saw it on the web page
back then (I think about a month ago) after seeing the $149 price listed.  I
decided to figure out where such a unit would go in my composition
methodology, no small consideration, and, in the meantime, I was sent their
paper catalog, which sported the $99 price.  I then looked up the listing
online after getting back from a trip up the CA coast last week, and found
that the web page's price now corresponded.

Thus satisfied, I purchased the unit, and having previously logged in, (I
think this is why, but who knows?) I got the 5% discount showing on the
resultant receipt.  Cool, huh?

Stephen Goodman       * It's the free Loop Of The Week!
EarthLight Productions * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios.html
*

----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Monday, September 13, 1999 12:26
Subject: Re: 2100 5 % offf ?


> Stephen:
>
> where's that sweet deal you quoted on the 2100?   ;)
>
> thanks
> Tom Lambrecht (from Loopers)
> hideo@concentric.net
> -----Original Message-----
> >
>


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That can be cool, giving you various kinds of metallic clouds.  No, you
don't necessarily need signal input.  But look out, it can get nasty REAL
fast.  Perhaps better to have serious pre-delay involved, or other effects.
I did an entire album with a Lex LXP-5 feeding back into itself....

>So what happens when you feed back a reverb mod? how do you use it in music.
>do you need to play something through it first or will it just start feeding
>back?
>
>
>
>Finally added a few items to my website, including a diagram of the sort
>we've been speaking about.  Until we get a diagram page on Looper's
>Delight, loopers may want to take a look there.  Much simpler gear in this
>than others I've seen, but the idiosyncratic signal routings may be of
>interest.



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phantom power is voltage sent from your mixer thru the mic cable to your
condenser microphone so you won't have to use a battery.

it would be cooler if was ghosts of famous dead people using their
nether-powers to supply electricity to our electric guitars when all the power
grids go down due to y2k, but it's not.

too bad.

bob

> While we're at it, what's "phantom power"?

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Hey guys,

i am the hungarian representative of CLAVIA DMI AB, and
i am saying this because i met with the CLAVIA distributors in
Frankfurt this year on a dinner. There, i met the owner of Armadillo
(represents Clavia in the USA), and he was a nice guy. At that time,
he told me he distributes Oberheim in the states, still, he was not 
able to supply me Echolpex.(im sure he would have done that if he could)
anyway, i dont think if they're interested in the Echoplex anymore.
but let's hope the bests...

adam

>http://www.harmony-central.com/Newp/1999/Oberheim-Armadillo.html
>
>Oberheim Now Distributed in US by
>  Armadillo
>
>  September 10, 1999 - Armadillo Enterprises has announced that they are
>now the new
>  distributors of the Oberheim product line in the United State. These
>products are made
>  in Italy under the parent corporation "Viscount." Viscount has 35
>full-time engineers
>  that are managing to come up with some great new products for the
>Oberheim line.
>
>The new products that will be out within the next 6 months are the OB12 and
>the OB5.
>
>No mention of the you-know-what, and it isn't on the site...
>
>:-(
>
>MT
>
>
>

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Hummm....try-experiment  a GOOD flanger with four controls...MXR green for
example...dificult question to answer...good luck!
Julio
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Sent: Sunday, September 12, 1999 10:23 PM
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> Hello all,
>
> I'm new to Looper's Delight. Wondering if anyone can recommend a phaser
that
> doesn't "sound" like a phaser. Know what I mean? Some I have tried are too
> obvious- sounding, like, "ok, here's my phaser pedal everybody!" Are there
> any phaser-like pedals out there that are a little more tasteful,
> less-vintage sounding?
>
> Thanks in advance
> David
>

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Mark-

I've communicated some of this privately, but may as well post for the
looping community.

No doubt the strongest point is the long-delay/looping capability, pretty
unprecedented at the $99 price!  But I use a second one for the effects
alone.  They are not stellar or extreme, but for me they are just fine.
Great ring mod, good pitch shifting, very servicable chorus/flange, etc.,
minimal but usable reverb, questionable wah effects.  Be aware of some
"robbing" going on (i.e., can't pitch shift and chorus simultaneously).
But heck, you can still use some of the effects AND the 6-second
sound-on-sound delay.  Very decent bandwidth and clean sound make the 2100
a no-brainer in my book, but no doubt they're being discontinued, so I
wouldn't "delay"....

David Myers

>I followed the recent thread on the Zoom 2100 in Loopers Delight with great
>interest, and have been thinking about buying one.
>
>What are its strong and weak points?
>
>Thanks,
>Mark Kata
>Shelby Township, Michigan



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Stephen said:
>I have no idea whether this post is going to reach the list at all as I
>had some trouble with previous posts in the past (must have something to
>do with me return ID or so). Just a silly question, brought forward by
>someone who´s just pissed off with seeing Oberheim ignoring the wishes of
>thousands of musicians worldwide: Why don´t we go out and build

"ignore" is not quite fair. But in the present economic system, noone is
forced to deliver what people want... and Oberheim closed down, thats not
our business.

>Echoplexes ourselves? I mean, there can´t be too much mystery going on
>inside these modules, and the mere fact the some people managed to cook
>up something like the Paradise Loop Delay just goes to show that it is
>possible to design and built something like this yourself, once you´ve
>found someone technically skilled enough to do that job for you. This
>would also allow the designer to incorporate performance/MIDI/sync
>features into the machine that have never been possible before. So, who´s
>going to do that job (mail me privately, please, I´d like to have two
>units anyway)?

I'd actually prefer to help to this than watching it happen.
There is no mistery, just years of work.
The Loop Delay had 350 different parts and it took me 4 months to negociate
parts and design the layouts and stuff. And it would have been longer if I
had not made a 19" unit before with the same 4 enterprises for soldering,
cabinet, front printing and packing.
The parts for the 100 pcs that costed about 30'000 and in this scale it
would not be possible to do it as cheap as the Plex was. We hope that the
new version of Gibson will come out in a few months and will be cheaper
even, so it would be difficult to compete with it.
Anyway, if anyone has the curage to invest time and money: Its a great
experience and we may help with the software which is by far the biggest
work...
And there are more interesting projects in the drawers here...

Matthias



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James Keepnews:
>Ha ha ha! Yeah, I made mention of such things as these in passing and with
>a greater emphasis, as usual,
>on mirth-making than sought-after objective correlatives; not to say
>hardware, for that. "USB-to-1/4""
>seemed to me to be an adapter waiting to happen -- plus, at least at this
>early stage of the game, sort
>of comical, as in: "I just bring my Powerbook, my Big Muff, and fourteen
>Marshall heads powering
>thirteen 4x12 cabs (I'll send the flowchart) with me on the gig" -- and I
>guess the wait was not so
>long, for that. Just call me the boy who cried "USB"...this happens a lot,
>possibly too much.

how about 16 cabinets with 8 heads and 8 Powerbooks to keep the stage
symetrical.
Maybe the syncfree parallel running Powerbooks bring some "warm" fat analog
sound?
 ;-)



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Well friends, after much planning, paying and waiting, the Dr. Rico Stealth
Guitar is finished. I'm writing up an "Unca Rico's Story Corner" segment on
it and will record some mp3s to accompany this webpage: 

http://www.timtone.com/GuitarClip29-Dr_Rico.html 

which is courtesy of the genius luthier, Tim Diebert. This is a temp
website and will be worked over to make it a featured segment of his site
for TimTone guitars. 

Initial impressions: This is a helluva guitar. Light, resonant,
acoustically alive...the RMC piezo/preamp coupled with this larchwood/cedar
design makes this git sound better amplified than my Taylor. Really. Plus
synth/VG8. Plus custom wired Duncan antiquities with a "PRS" wiring harness
on a 5-way blade swicth (always hated the rotary switch...). 

Just the thing for loopy mayhem! I know dpc and Esau had Tim build them
gits, too. I'm sure they understand...

Anyway, I'll post more after Hurricane Floyd clears our neighborhood. Looks
like Miami may get spanked. 

Hasta -> Rico 

P.S. Check out the inlaid DNA molecule! 
 


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I posted this question on the Gibson Online Customer Forum:

: Now that Gibson has gotten rid of Oberheim, what Gibson divison will
produce the Echoplex??? I am guessing a change in color for the front panel
as well.

And the Answer:
You're right, Dave. The Echoplex will be under a new division of Gibson, but
it hasn't been officially announced which division will carry it. However,
if you think about it, you shouldn't have any trouble guessing which
division it is.


Interesting, in any case, eh?

Dave Eichenberger- guitars.loops.devices
http://home1.gte.net/artmusic/dave

'Future Perfect' - art music
http://home1.gte.net/artmusic/

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Does anyone know where to purchase Gamma Geometry connection cables?
Nick..




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I was having fun with the old "rang when I decided to do something odd.
First off I use my 'rang through a fender hotrod deluxe. using a strat on
clean through the effects loop. after recording a multi-level loop I used
output of the 'rang and put it into my keyboard amp. this gave me a really
good sound. I tried running the 'rang first into the keyboard amp but didn't
get that meaty sound.

so the question is how can I get that tube sound through a keyboard amp. is
there a pedal or something like it I could put it through first?

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does the zoom 2100 allow for mulit-level looping? 

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Since I have upgraded to Loop III v. 5.0, I have been experiencing loop 
lockdowns. The 'plex will totally lock up sometimes and turning it off or 
reseting doesn't work. No buttons will work at all. Anybody have this 
problem? I tried to contact Gibson, but all I get is an answering system. 
Please help!!

Travis    

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Hi-you will never(no matter what you are told-let your ears be the 
judge)repeat NEVER get a tube amp sound w/out the use of a TUBE
AMP!...deepinthereverbtank...stantheman...

----------
>From: "postaldave" 
>To: "Loopers" 
>Subject: looper question?????
>Date: Mon, Sep 13, 1999, 7:27 PM
>

> I was having fun with the old "rang when I decided to do something odd.
> First off I use my 'rang through a fender hotrod deluxe. using a strat on
> clean through the effects loop. after recording a multi-level loop I used
> output of the 'rang and put it into my keyboard amp. this gave me a really
> good sound. I tried running the 'rang first into the keyboard amp but didn't
> get that meaty sound.
>
> so the question is how can I get that tube sound through a keyboard amp. is
> there a pedal or something like it I could put it through first?
>
> 

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Thanks Todd, you got me to realize my Stuffit was old & stale.  Downloaded
a newer version....

>David Myers wrote:
>
><user I can't do anything with zip files!>>
>
>n
>
>
>ot true, david.  i undo them all the time with stuffit deluxe!  or am i
>misunderstanding you?  but i agree with your statement about diagrams!
>
>
>todd


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Just thought I'd put this up might interest some of you out there.
I'm going on tour with a young American musician called Joseph Arthur at the
end of September/beginning of October. He uses three Jammen(?) in his set
and loops his acoustic guitar and vocals to build up a rhythm and song. Well
worth checking out.
He is supporting a British band called Gomez in september and then were
picking up a support slot with Ben Harper in October. Don't have exact dates
yet but will post them up later. Good to see live looping going on tour eh?
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Live Looping - All Across USA...


Just thought I'd put this up might interest some of you out there.

I'm going on tour with a young American musician called Joseph Arthur at th=
e

end of September/beginning of October. He uses three Jammen(?) in his set
and loops his acoustic guitar and vocals to build up a rhythm and song. Wel=
l

worth checking out.

He is supporting a British band called Gomez in september and then were

picking up a support slot with Ben Harper in October. Don't have exact date=
s

yet but will post them up later. Good to see live looping going on tour eh?=


Graham. 



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In a message dated 9/13/99 9:25:30 PM Mid-Atlantic Daylight Time, 
dmgraph@pulsewidth.com writes:

<< But heck, you can still use some of the effects AND the 6-second
 sound-on-sound delay. >>

how do you do this on the zoom 2100, sound-on-sound delay, are we talking 
about the same box?..............please tell............michael

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I wish I could say the same but a few months ago, my hard disc went kapoot
and along with it went my Cubase VST/24.  Cubase uses a floppy key to
unlock the program.  Since my key was used, I was unable to reinstall it
without a replacement floppy.  I've made no less than a dozen calls to
Steinberg, and almost as many emails and still I'm yet to hear anything
back from them.  It's companies like this that make my wonder why I pay for
software.


At 1:08 PM -0800 9/11/99, Tom Ritchford wrote:
>now, now, it's impolite to make such guesses
>no matter how reasonable.
>
>I personally am very good at paying for software
>but bad at keeping all those little bits of
>paper and things.  So far customer support of
>all these companies have hooked me up every time
>that there's been a problem...
>
>	/t



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Hey, Doc...
	That's one incredible-looking guitar! I'm about to go and check out Tim's
site--as I'm very, very interested in running guitar ideas of my own by him!
	Thanks for sharing that with all of us!
Sincerely,
Jeff McLeod
__________________________________________
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And now is almost over... 
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http://members.xoom.com/edkempertrio/

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At 5:12 PM -0700 9/13/99, Future Perfect wrote:
>I posted this question on the Gibson Online Customer Forum:
>
>: Now that Gibson has gotten rid of Oberheim, what Gibson divison will
>produce the Echoplex??? I am guessing a change in color for the front panel
>as well.
>
>And the Answer:
>You're right, Dave. The Echoplex will be under a new division of Gibson, but
>it hasn't been officially announced which division will carry it. However,
>if you think about it, you shouldn't have any trouble guessing which
>division it is.

My guess is......Dobro!

The Dobro Echoplex Digital Pro! What I want to know is, will it have a
Resonator?

kim

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Poor Kim- he's become delerious at 3 :45 am!  ;)

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 1999 2:47 AM
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At 5:12 PM -0700 9/13/99, Future Perfect wrote:
>I posted this question on the Gibson Online Customer Forum:
>
>: Now that Gibson has gotten rid of Oberheim, what Gibson divison will
>produce the Echoplex??? I am guessing a change in color for the front panel
>as well.
>
>And the Answer:
>You're right, Dave. The Echoplex will be under a new division of Gibson,
but
>it hasn't been officially announced which division will carry it. However,
>if you think about it, you shouldn't have any trouble guessing which
>division it is.

My guess is......Dobro!

The Dobro Echoplex Digital Pro! What I want to know is, will it have a
Resonator?

kim

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8:00 pm at the Yerba Buena Center for the Arts Theater.

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> I will be in S.F. the 24th and 25th. Do you have times for these gigs?
> Kronos Quartet does Steve Reich.
>
>
> >From: "Alan Imberg" 
> >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
> >To: 
> >Subject: Re: Steve Reich question
> >Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 22:36:27 -0700
> >
> >Speaking of Reich and Kronos Quartet, I noticed in the Sunday paper that
> >Kronos Quartet will be performing Steve Reich's Triple Quartet in San
> >Francisco on Sept. 24th and 25th.
> >
> >As for recommendations regarding Reich's music, I have one
> >non-recommendation: Steer clear of Reich Remixed. This contains
> >interpetations and remixes of some of his work by contemporary DJ's and
> >remixers. Its a good CD but it could create false impressions of Reich if
> >its your 1st encounter to his music.
> >
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: Randy Jones 
> >To: 
> >Sent: Sunday, September 12, 1999 4:47 PM
> >Subject: Re: Steve Reich question
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Well,
> > >
> > > I haven't heard a lot, but I very much like
> > > Different Trains (looped locomotives/voices) with
> > > the Kronos Quartet; always transports me to a
> > > different place.
> > >
> > > Randy Jones
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I upgraded one of my 'plexes myself and have never experienced problems.
Sorry if I'm stating the obvious but have you tried pulling the ROMs and
reinserting them (after checking for bent pins, etc.)?  Has anything else
changed?  New RAM memory, etc.?

Dennis Leas
-----------------------------
dennis@mdbs.com

-----Original Message-----
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>Since I have upgraded to Loop III v. 5.0, I have been experiencing loop
>lockdowns. The 'plex will totally lock up sometimes and turning it off or
>reseting doesn't work. No buttons will work at all. Anybody have this
>problem? I tried to contact Gibson, but all I get is an answering system.
>Please help!!
>
>Travis
>

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In the "mod" stage, select 7 (delay), whatever delay time you want (up to 6
sec.), and dial feedback just past 10.  The display will read "S.o" for
sound-on-sound.  You can use all the other stages with it, like ring mod,
distortion, and EQ before your loop, and reverb or ping pong delay after
the loop.  If you've seen my loop layout at my website, I use "2100 #2"
most often in this way.

David Myers

http://www.pulsewidth.com

>In a message dated 9/13/99 9:25:30 PM Mid-Atlantic Daylight Time,
>dmgraph@pulsewidth.com writes:
>
><< But heck, you can still use some of the effects AND the 6-second
> sound-on-sound delay. >>
>
>how do you do this on the zoom 2100, sound-on-sound delay, are we talking
>about the same box?..............please tell............michael



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Does anyone here have experience in putting up sound samples on websites
via Shockwave?  I've been dragging my feet concerning audio at my site, and
in my experience Realplayer spends half its time choking.  FingerPaint's
site uses Shockwave audio, and it's smooth as silk.  Anybody?

David Myers

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I've found the docs in pdf format via Zoom's site:

http://www.samsontech.com/zoom/manuals/2100.pdf

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Asking price: $150

Akai Headrush delay with tape sim, 24 sec. infinite repeat, 12 sec. looping 
capability.

Seller: Kenneth Kitzman, 
E-mail: kitzman@jhuapl.edu (Profile)
ICQ#: 100023227
Location: ELLICOTT CITY, MD

(an ad on Harmony Central this A.M.)

Bill   "Hawkeye"

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I have some equipment I would like to sell. Items range from musical
instruments to
     professional music recording equipment. If interested please e-mail me.
Thanks. The items
     are as follows: Aphex Model 103 Aural Exciter $150.00; Lexicon Jamman
Sampler/Delay
     $250.00; Lexicon Alex $250.00; Digitech Studio Vocalist $700.00; Fender
Gemini II Acoustic
     w/case $250.00; Ensoniq KT88 Keyboard $1,500.00; Dunlop Crybaby Wah
Pedal $50.00; **Please
     note, all items are in mint condition and some items have never been
used.** 

Seller: B.J. LoSchiavo, 
E-mail: rob399_00@yahoo.com (Profile)
Location: RUNNEMEDE, NJ

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thanx stu....
 that jamman looks good, but.... alas.... $$$$$$$$
hope all's well.
 oh yeah,
  my LA sched is this:
friday night, 9pm Caltech...
 sat night-rocco's....
sat. day? not sure what's up... GE and nels around?  
cdr's?  lemeno...
sa

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In a message dated 9/14/99 3:08:59 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
LiebigSA@Maritz.com writes:

> Lexicon Jamman
>  Sampler/Delay
>       $250.00;
 hello,
i'll take the jamman
please send your # so we can seal the deal
thanks,
brian 

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You know I just realised that many people on Looper's Delight may be having
private e-mail conversations and somehow not sending it to the entire list.
Words alone cannot describe how distraught I am to be left in the dark
regarding everyone's financial situation and weekend plans.

TH


----------
>From: Hamnsoda@aol.com
>To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
>Subject: Re:  fyi
>Date: Tue, Sep 14, 1999, 2:34 PM
>

> thanx stu....
>  that jamman looks good, but.... alas.... $$$$$$$$
> hope all's well.
>  oh yeah,
>   my LA sched is this:
> friday night, 9pm Caltech...
>  sat night-rocco's....
> sat. day? not sure what's up... GE and nels around?
> cdr's?  lemeno...
> sa
> 

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i'm not selling it. it's a guy on harmony central . . . rad the ad.

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	ENAT21213@aol.com [SMTP:ENAT21213@aol.com]
> Sent:	Tuesday, September 14, 1999 12:45
> To:	Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
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> 
> In a message dated 9/14/99 3:08:59 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
> LiebigSA@Maritz.com writes:
> 
> > Lexicon Jamman
> >  Sampler/Delay
> >       $250.00;
>  hello,
> i'll take the jamman
> please send your # so we can seal the deal
> thanks,
> brian 

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yeah it's a drag, but ya know what? sometimes you push return and it goes to
the list and sometimes it goes to the individual. honest mistake.

delete

stig

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Travis Hartnett [SMTP:hartne.t@apple.com]
> Sent:	Tuesday, September 14, 1999 12:52
> To:	Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
> Subject:	Re: fyi
> 
> You know I just realised that many people on Looper's Delight may be
> having
> private e-mail conversations and somehow not sending it to the entire
> list.
> Words alone cannot describe how distraught I am to be left in the dark
> regarding everyone's financial situation and weekend plans.
> 
> TH
> 
> 
> ----------
> >From: Hamnsoda@aol.com
> >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
> >Subject: Re:  fyi
> >Date: Tue, Sep 14, 1999, 2:34 PM
> >
> 
> > thanx stu....
> >  that jamman looks good, but.... alas.... $$$$$$$$
> > hope all's well.
> >  oh yeah,
> >   my LA sched is this:
> > friday night, 9pm Caltech...
> >  sat night-rocco's....
> > sat. day? not sure what's up... GE and nels around?
> > cdr's?  lemeno...
> > sa
> > 

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I'll take the Jam Man off your hands although I'm sure
I won't be the first to reply.

---Ryan Novak

--- "Liebig, Steuart A."  wrote:
> I have some equipment I would like to sell. Items
> range from musical
> instruments to
>      professional music recording equipment. If
> interested please e-mail me.
> Thanks. The items
>      are as follows: Aphex Model 103 Aural Exciter
> $150.00; Lexicon Jamman
> Sampler/Delay
>      $250.00; Lexicon Alex $250.00; Digitech Studio
> Vocalist $700.00; Fender
> Gemini II Acoustic
>      w/case $250.00; Ensoniq KT88 Keyboard
> $1,500.00; Dunlop Crybaby Wah
> Pedal $50.00; **Please
>      note, all items are in mint condition and some
> items have never been
> used.** 
> 
> Seller: B.J. LoSchiavo, 
> E-mail: rob399_00@yahoo.com (Profile)
> Location: RUNNEMEDE, NJ
> 
> 

__________________________________________________
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On Tuesday, September 14, 1999 8:20 AM, Dennis W. Leas 
[SMTP:dennis@mdbs.com] wrote:
> I upgraded one of my 'plexes myself and have never experienced problems.
> Sorry if I'm stating the obvious but have you tried pulling the ROMs and
> reinserting them (after checking for bent pins, etc.)?  Has anything else
> changed?  New RAM memory, etc.?
>
>

Nothing has changed, only the ROMs. Interestingly, though, this problem 
only comes up now and then. But when it does, I just forget about looping 
for the night and the next day it is fine. I went ahead and re-seated all 
ROMs and SIMMs, so I hope this works.
thanks everyone for the tips!

Travis      

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"Well, there's been a lot of responses to the "Source/Product" project that 
was announced last week. We want to thank everybody who has written back, 
but we have to announce that we're absolutely packed full. We can't fit any 
more people in this project! Wish us luck and we'll let you know when it's 
done.

thanks,

matt davignon"

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matt:

sorry I didn't post back sooner . . .

put me on the waiting list for your 2nd release--especailly if you like
heavily processed didgeridoo . . . .   ;)

Tom Lambrecht
hideo@concentric.net
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>
>"Well, there's been a lot of responses to the "Source/Product" project that
>was announced last week. We want to thank everybody who has written back,
>but we have to announce that we're absolutely packed full. We can't fit any
>more people in this project! Wish us luck and we'll let you know when it's
>done.
>
>thanks,
>
>matt davignon"
>
>

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Hey David,

I looked at the diagram of your looping rig on www.pulsewidth.com.  Man, you
must have spent a fortune on patch cords! :-)

Seriously, here's my question:  You know how they say that the sound of your
instrument is in your hands?  And if two different guitarists play the same
rig, each one sounds different?  Have you found this with your looping rig?

Mark Kata

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>Hey David,
>
>I looked at the diagram of your looping rig on www.pulsewidth.com.  Man, you
>must have spent a fortune on patch cords! :-)

Not really.  My patchcord count is WAY down.  Other guys' diagrams
mentioned/posted here are far more complex.

>Seriously, here's my question:  You know how they say that the sound of your
>instrument is in your hands?  And if two different guitarists play the same
>rig, each one sounds different?  Have you found this with your looping rig?
>
>Mark Kata

When another guitarist gets a chance to play it, I'll let you know!
Really, though, in a way a "looping rig" is almost as impersonal as a
"recording studio"--it's figuring out what the hell to do with it that
makes music, right?  Besides, I can barely play a guitar....

David Myers


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Digitech RDS 3.6:  
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=163365796

7.6 sec Time Machine:
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=163591540

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>>You're right, Dave. The Echoplex will be under a new division of
Gibson, but it hasn't been officially announced which division will
carry it. However, if you think about it, you shouldn't have any
trouble guessing which division it is.

> My guess is......Dobro! The Dobro Echoplex Digital Pro! What I want
to know is, will it have a Resonator?

I think they're going to have a complete sinus cavity simulation with
room size algorythms and a spit valve.

Miko Biffle                          "Running scared from all the
usual distractions..."
mbiffle@svg.com

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You know... I suggested the Flatiron Flashback as a suitable division and product name a while back and got nothing but dead air. I'll be they could really clean up if they could successfully market a looper to amplified acoustic musicians! Maybe to our mutual disgust, but hey! That's capitalism... 8-)

Miko Biffle                          "Running scared from all the usual distractions..."
mbiffle@svg.com

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David Myers wrote:

> Does anyone here have experience in putting up sound samples on websites
> via Shockwave?  I've been dragging my feet concerning audio at my site, and
> in my experience Realplayer spends half its time choking.  FingerPaint's
> site uses Shockwave audio, and it's smooth as silk.  Anybody?
>
> David Myers
>
> http://www.pulsewidth.com
>

Our pals at Macromedia have really figured out some useful applications
for multimedia, on the Web as elsewhere. Shockwave is the portable,
compressable format for their "presentation" software packages Director
(a presentation package with its own programming language, Lingo, which
allows for more sophisticated behaviors than click and wait, although
that's what it's mostly used for...) and Flash (a vector animation
program, that, in the capabilities of its latest version, is beginning
to rival Director). Although more emphasis is put on its visual
functions, it's true that its audio tools are excellent for making
small, portable files available for those browsers which are have the
plug-ins (you can also make stand-alone "projectors" and inflict...I
mean, generously share...your files on whomever you wish, although these
are platform-specific and you'd need a platform-specific version of
either software package to create these projectors). If you just want to
put Shockwaved files on a website, Flash is much cheaper than Director;
with either, you can guage the amount of compression you want when
Shock-ing your file down to size. Macromedia's site has more info -- can
you guess its URL?

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Im wondering if these type of Simms are 4mb and will work with the Echoplex:

Unigen 814400a-70   9419f93

thanks


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Hey - I came up with the idea of tuning my guitar to fifths like a =
violin almost a year ago. I found out several days later that I wasnt =
the first to come up with this idea ( grrr!!!! ) but I have never been =
able to find any scale and arpeggio fingerings anywhere on the internet =
so I had to figure it out myself. It took me a long time and I think I =
have some good things for it but I would still be interested in seeing =
how other people go about fingering this stuff. I wrote out a long list =
of fingerings for fifth tuning and I can E-mail it to anyone that is =
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Andy Pollow
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Hey - I came up with the idea of =
tuning my=20
guitar to fifths like a violin almost a year ago. I found out several =
days later=20
that I wasnt the first to come up with this idea ( grrr!!!! ) but I have =
never=20
been able to find any scale and arpeggio fingerings anywhere on the =
internet so=20
I had to figure it out myself. It took me a long time and I think I have =
some=20
good things for it but I would still be interested in seeing how other =
people go=20
about fingering this stuff. I wrote out a long list of fingerings for =
fifth=20
tuning and I can E-mail it to anyone that is interested in seeing how I =
do=20
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Andy Pollow


Pollow@aa.net


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I have my classic guitar (active electronics) tuned in 4ths--like a bass.

Bill "Hawkeye"

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Here's something on the internet that shows you scale, chord, & arpeggio =
fingering for guitar in any tuning.

http://web.tiscalinet.it/hendrix/english.htm


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Hey - I came up with the idea of tuning my guitar to fifths like a =
violin almost a year ago. I found out several days later that I wasnt =
the first to come up with this idea ( grrr!!!! ) but I have never been =
able to find any scale and arpeggio fingerings anywhere on the internet =
so I had to figure it out myself. It took me a long time and I think I =
have some good things for it but I would still be interested in seeing =
how other people go about fingering this stuff. I wrote out a long list =
of fingerings for fifth tuning and I can E-mail it to anyone that is =
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Andy Pollow
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http://web.tiscalin=
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From: George Pollow =




Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 1999 9:51 PM


Subject: New standard tuning scales and =
arpeggios





Hey - I came up with the idea of =
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days later=20
that I wasnt the first to come up with this idea ( grrr!!!! ) but I have =
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people go=20
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Hello -

I recently borrowed a friend's EDP for so I could do some stereo loops.
Both machines have the latest software upgrade.

There were a few things I noticed.

1) When I would start to RECORD a loop, a new "scratchy" noise would engage
as soon as I hit the RECORD button.  (It would NOT be there when I was just
passing signal through the units without recording a loop.)  Each unit would
work silently by itself.

2) On the first day, and using MIDI and stereo cable for Brother Sync, both
units synched up with exactly similar loop length display times.  However,
on the send day, with the same set-up, I noticed one machine would display a
10th of a second shorter a loop.

To solve the first problem I tried everything I could think of.
	powering up again
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Nothing worked, I just dealth with the problem and only recorded LOUD
signals/loops.

By the way, the borrowed unit had the "input sensitivity" modification (in
theory).  What I noticed is that it really didn't have much better input
sensitivity -- but it had twice the OUTPUT gain of my unit.

Does anyone have clues to offer to solve the noise problem?

David Kirkdorffer

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**** T.C. Electronic 2290 Delay unit ****

Asking Price: US$1150
Condition: Mint
Age: N/A
Description:

       mint cond. stock unit. Used for guitar and kept in rack at all times.
best digital delay in the world plus other functions like seperate effects
loops and
       stereo effects. if you want the best this is it.
       let me know if interested,
       charlie
       310-375-2730

Seller: charlie hitchcock, 805-564-8902
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Location: SANTA BARBARA, CA
Post Date: 9/15/99

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after messing with this box for a few weeks and after getting dave myers 
pointer to the 6sec (or however long you want it delay)........i can only 
say, this box is worth every penny of the $99.00 i paid for it.........so if 
your sittin on a fence about this piece, my advice is, go for it.........it 
continues to amaze me what can be done now-a-days with all of this stuff, we 
truely are living in an electronic dream-world......michael

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Hello -

Does anyone know how I can contact Bob Sellon (sp?)? 
Replies privately, please.

Thanks for your help.

David Kirkdorffer

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I'd just like to remind you all that my email address has changed to:

mbiffle@svg.com

Forwarding from the old address is about to expire and I don't want to miss any of your messages.

Best to all,
-Miko

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hello there loopers of the world:

wrinklemuzik (aka kenn lowy) will be performing at

the knitting factory (alternit theatre)
74 leonard street (btwn bdwy & church)
wed sept 22nd at 7 pm sharp


wrinklemuzik (kenn) uses dual echoplex', jamMan, ebow-sustainer guitar, 
harmonizer, and bunch of other toys. the music can best be desribed as a 
hybrid of reich-glass-fripp-and rock. kenn calls it ebow soundscapes 
(kenn, being me).

for a sample of wrinklemzuik head over to:
http://www.mp3.com/artists/22/wrinklemuzik.html

if any of you make it to this show please hang out for a few minutes 
after the show. i'll be talking to anyone and everyone in the bar (which 
is right outside the concert space) and i'd love to hear your comments.





visit the wrinklemuzik web site:
www.wrinklemuzik.com

catch all the latest news about kenn lowy & wrinklemuzik.

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Please send ordering info for Zoom 2100.  thanks


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>after messing with this box for a few weeks and after getting dave myers
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>if
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>continues to amaze me what can be done now-a-days with all of this stuff, 
>we
>truely are living in an electronic dream-world......michael
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On Wed, 15 Sep 1999, George Pollow wrote:

> Hey - I came up with the idea of tuning my guitar to fifths like a
> violin almost a year ago. I found out several days later that I wasnt
> the first to come up with this idea ( grrr!!!! ) but I have never been
> able to find any scale and arpeggio fingerings anywhere on the
> internet so I had to figure it out myself. It took me a long time and
> I think I have some good things for it but I would still be interested
> in seeing how other people go about fingering this stuff. I wrote out
> a long list of fingerings for fifth tuning and I can E-mail it to
> anyone that is interested in seeing how I do it.

Have you considered buying a mandolin instructional book? Lots of
chords/scales/etc for 5ths tuning.

-Adam

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What town????  Do you think we all know you?????????????????????/////


>From: klowy 
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>Subject: loop perf in nyc! (wrinklemuzik)
>Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 12:04:46 -0400
>
>hello there loopers of the world:
>
>wrinklemuzik (aka kenn lowy) will be performing at
>
>the knitting factory (alternit theatre)
>74 leonard street (btwn bdwy & church)
>wed sept 22nd at 7 pm sharp
>
>
>wrinklemuzik (kenn) uses dual echoplex', jamMan, ebow-sustainer guitar,
>harmonizer, and bunch of other toys. the music can best be desribed as a
>hybrid of reich-glass-fripp-and rock. kenn calls it ebow soundscapes
>(kenn, being me).
>
>for a sample of wrinklemzuik head over to:
>http://www.mp3.com/artists/22/wrinklemuzik.html
>
>if any of you make it to this show please hang out for a few minutes
>after the show. i'll be talking to anyone and everyone in the bar (which
>is right outside the concert space) and i'd love to hear your comments.
>
>
>
>
>
>visit the wrinklemuzik web site:
>www.wrinklemuzik.com
>
>catch all the latest news about kenn lowy & wrinklemuzik.
>

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the knitting factory == somewhat well-known venue in nyc
nyc == New York City

At 10:14 AM 9/16/99 PDT, someone wrote:
>What town????  Do you think we all know you?????????????????????/////
>
>

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Check Musician's Friend and AMS (American Music Supply)...

>>> "David Potter"  09/16 10:37 AM >>>
Please send ordering info for Zoom 2100.  thanks


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>Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 10:43:08 EDT
>
>after messing with this box for a few weeks and after getting dave
myers
>pointer to the 6sec (or however long you want it delay)........i can
only
>say, this box is worth every penny of the $99.00 i paid for
it.........so 
>if
>your sittin on a fence about this piece, my advice is, go for
it.........it
>continues to amaze me what can be done now-a-days with all of this
stuff, 
>we
>truely are living in an electronic dream-world......michael
>

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C'mon Potter! It's right in the Subject of the message... *-0 

>>> "David Potter"  09/16 10:36 AM >>>
What town????  Do you think we all know
you?????????????????????/////


>From: klowy 
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>To: 
>Subject: loop perf in nyc! (wrinklemuzik)
>Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 12:04:46 -0400
>
>hello there loopers of the world:
>
>wrinklemuzik (aka kenn lowy) will be performing at
>
>the knitting factory (alternit theatre)
>74 leonard street (btwn bdwy & church)
>wed sept 22nd at 7 pm sharp
>
>
>wrinklemuzik (kenn) uses dual echoplex', jamMan, ebow-sustainer
guitar,
>harmonizer, and bunch of other toys. the music can best be desribed
as a
>hybrid of reich-glass-fripp-and rock. kenn calls it ebow
soundscapes
>(kenn, being me).
>
>for a sample of wrinklemzuik head over to:
>http://www.mp3.com/artists/22/wrinklemuzik.html 
>
>if any of you make it to this show please hang out for a few
minutes
>after the show. i'll be talking to anyone and everyone in the bar
(which
>is right outside the concert space) and i'd love to hear your
comments.
>
>
>
>
>
>visit the wrinklemuzik web site:
>www.wrinklemuzik.com 
>
>catch all the latest news about kenn lowy & wrinklemuzik.
>

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Yeah - Im gonna start looking for violin, viola, and cello books in the
libraries everywhere - maybe Ill look for books about the mandolin too. I
should have done that sooner. I wonder if the cello fingerings might help
because its tuned to fifths but the 1/2 steps are far apart like a guitar on
the cello. Do you tune to fifths?
Andy Pollow


Adam Levin wrote:

> On Wed, 15 Sep 1999, George Pollow wrote:
>
> > Hey - I came up with the idea of tuning my guitar to fifths like a
> > violin almost a year ago. I found out several days later that I wasnt
> > the first to come up with this idea ( grrr!!!! ) but I have never been
> > able to find any scale and arpeggio fingerings anywhere on the
> > internet so I had to figure it out myself. It took me a long time and
> > I think I have some good things for it but I would still be interested
> > in seeing how other people go about fingering this stuff. I wrote out
> > a long list of fingerings for fifth tuning and I can E-mail it to
> > anyone that is interested in seeing how I do it.
>
> Have you considered buying a mandolin instructional book? Lots of
> chords/scales/etc for 5ths tuning.
>
> -Adam
>
> ---
>        "...if one strives at hearing for the sake of constant virtue,
>        out of seeking liberation from cyclic existence, gradually one
>                            becomes a Hearer."
>                            - Chandrakirti
>
>               T h e   D a r k   A e t h e r   P r o j e c t
>                        http://www.darkaether.net/

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-----Original Message-----
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>the knitting factory == somewhat well-known venue in nyc
>nyc == New York City


And where would *that* be?  ;-)

James
>At 10:14 AM 9/16/99 PDT, someone wrote:
>>What town????  Do you think we all know you?????????????????????/////
>>
>>
>
>

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Wow great,

	Ken lowry is going to be playing a gig in potters,IN  (population
12)?

Cool
DT

-
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C'mon Potter! It's right in the Subject of the message... *-0 

>>> "David Potter"  09/16 10:36 AM >>>
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you?????????????????????/////

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Yes I just heard that the NYC Potters will be looping in
Lowry, Indiana.

Awesome,
PB

"Taaffe, Denis G" wrote:
> 
> Wow great,
> 
>         Ken lowry is going to be playing a gig in potters,IN  (population
> 12)?
> 
> Cool
> DT
> 
> -
> Subject: Re: loop perf in nyc! (wrinklemuzik)
> 
> C'mon Potter! It's right in the Subject of the message... *-0
> 
> >>> "David Potter"  09/16 10:36 AM >>>
> What town????  Do you think we all know
> you?????????????????????/////

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No, no, no.  It's "The Nyce Potters" playing their Lowery organs in Hammond,
Indiana.  The show is called "Feat of Clay."

Dennis Leas
-----------------------------
dennis@mdbs.com

-----Original Message-----
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>Yes I just heard that the NYC Potters will be looping in
>Lowry, Indiana.
>
>Awesome,
>PB
>
>"Taaffe, Denis G" wrote:
>>
>> Wow great,
>>
>>         Ken lowry is going to be playing a gig in potters,IN  (population
>> 12)?
>>
>> Cool
>> DT
>>
>> -
>> Subject: Re: loop perf in nyc! (wrinklemuzik)
>>
>> C'mon Potter! It's right in the Subject of the message... *-0
>>
>> >>> "David Potter"  09/16 10:36 AM >>>
>> What town????  Do you think we all know
>> you?????????????????????/////
>

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O.K. guys I cry Uncle..didn't have my glasses on..Pile on me I can take 
it...sniffle,sniffle whine whine..Actually the Potter's are playing Oct.1st 
for Women Care in a benefit for women dying of cancer.
My wife and I and 6 children.

>From: paul buelow 
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>To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
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>Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 13:49:12 -0700
>
>Yes I just heard that the NYC Potters will be looping in
>Lowry, Indiana.
>
>Awesome,
>PB
>
>"Taaffe, Denis G" wrote:
> >
> > Wow great,
> >
> >         Ken lowry is going to be playing a gig in potters,IN  
>(population
> > 12)?
> >
> > Cool
> > DT
> >
> > -
> > Subject: Re: loop perf in nyc! (wrinklemuzik)
> >
> > C'mon Potter! It's right in the Subject of the message... *-0
> >
> > >>> "David Potter"  09/16 10:36 AM >>>
> > What town????  Do you think we all know
> > you?????????????????????/////
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Hey gang! I am totally jazzed up on the Boss GT-3 (floor-type FX processor,
lists for under $500). I am reviewing it for Guitar World and it is d-e-e-p,
like that trench in the Pacific. Lots of fresh sounds, and painfully
flexible - massive tweaking parameters, and you can order the FX in any
configuration you wish (like massive distortion on a 100% saturated reverb,
chopped off with a noise gate). And it has an outboard in-out point - an
outboard FX loop point - which can be similarly assigned to any point in the
configuration. I could rant for multiple screens on it, but I have a
deadline...
    So what I'm wondering is, is anyone using one of these pups for looping?
I've been massaging my own live rig over the past couple months, and I'm all
set to chuck the whole enchilada (Rat distortion, Moogerfooger ring mod,
Alesis microverb, a couple of other stomp boxes, but  ESPECIALLY the Mesa
Boogie Heartbreaker 2x12 combo - all 100 pounds of it - and all the damn
patch cords) in favor of just the GT-3, Akai Headrush and a Crate Acoustic
Guitar amp. So simple, I don't even have to make a diagram!
    Any GT-3 loopers out there?

Douglas Baldwin, Alpha male Coyote, the Trickster
dbaldwin@suffolk.lib.ny.us


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umm, where would this concert be?

Dennis Leas
-----------------------------
dennis@mdbs.com

-----Original Message-----
From: David Potter 
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com 
Date: Thursday, September 16, 1999 11:51 AM
Subject: Re: loop perf in nyc! (wrinklemuzik)


>O.K. guys I cry Uncle..didn't have my glasses on..Pile on me I can take
>it...sniffle,sniffle whine whine..Actually the Potter's are playing Oct.1st
>for Women Care in a benefit for women dying of cancer.
>My wife and I and 6 children.
>
>>From: paul buelow 
>>Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
>>To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
>>Subject: Re: loop perf in nyc! (wrinklemuzik)
>>Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 13:49:12 -0700
>>
>>Yes I just heard that the NYC Potters will be looping in
>>Lowry, Indiana.
>>
>>Awesome,
>>PB
>>
>>"Taaffe, Denis G" wrote:
>> >
>> > Wow great,
>> >
>> >         Ken lowry is going to be playing a gig in potters,IN
>>(population
>> > 12)?
>> >
>> > Cool
>> > DT
>> >
>> > -
>> > Subject: Re: loop perf in nyc! (wrinklemuzik)
>> >
>> > C'mon Potter! It's right in the Subject of the message... *-0
>> >
>> > >>> "David Potter"  09/16 10:36 AM >>>
>> > What town????  Do you think we all know
>> > you?????????????????????/////
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My EDP has inexplicably blown two fuses in the past week. Has anyone
else suffered through this dilemma? If so, were there strange causal
factors involved? Also, which intoxicants seemed to work best during the
downtime?

Z.

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In a message dated 9/16/99 2:21:56 PM, dbaldwin@suffolk.lib.ny.us writes:

>Hey gang! I am totally jazzed up on the Boss GT-3...[snip}

How many seconds/milliseconds of delay does it have?

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I've got one.  It's swanky.  That, a Boomerang and some sort of powered 
monitor and I'm ready to go.  The GT-3 is running about $400 street, and I
don't know of anything else that gives that sort of bang for the buck.  The
synth patches are a hoot!

Piece of cake to program too, unlike much of the Roland stuff I've dealt
with (including the wonderful but difficult to program GP-100).  Of course,
it does have that irritating external power source...

I use it for gigs where I don't want to haul the big rack and stereo
speakers, etc, etc.  A GT-3 and your looper of choice in a foam-lined
suitcase, and you're ready to go.

TH

----------
>From: "K. Douglas Baldwin" 
>To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, Loopers-Delight-d@annihilist.com
>Subject: Boss GT-3 Processor and looping
>Date: Thu, Sep 16, 1999, 4:40 PM
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>  Any GT-3 loopers out there?

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All I can say Doug... is that I bought a GX-700 and spent a year
getting more and more great sounds out of it. Jamming side by side
with tube amps and recording as well. I finally upgraded to a GT-5 and
have been ecstatic ever since! 

I've compared it to Line6 stuff and found that maybe the Line6 stuff
has more useful presets for performance situations, but if you're
willing to tweak, you'll be able to get all the same beef, warmth and
much wilder stereo effects from the Boss/Roland processors. The midi
and real time control stuff is better for the most part than several
much more expensive boxes I've owned. It has a few idiosyncrosies but
I really love that box. 

As for looping... Much of this courtesy of Dave Coffin... The delay
hold function and Sound on Sound really work great and there's a
little trick of copying 5 of the same looping patches across a bank...
then changing the od's and mod parameters without changing the fx
order... which gives you a looper with delay spillover into the next
patch where you might have vastly different sounds... In manual mode
you can turn off and on any 5 parameters such as autowah, delay, mod,
fx loop, dist etc. 

David Coffin is another happy GT-5 user as well and a listen to his
stuff really shows off what it can do... From what I've heard about
the GT-3, I'd say it probably does some great new things and seems to
have retained all the other nice features of the GT-5 in a smaller
footprint with a slightly different user i/f. I doubt that I'll ever
go back to an amp...

Miko Biffle                                    "Running scared from
all the usual distractions..."
mbiffle@svg.com

>>> "K. Douglas Baldwin"  09/16 3:16 PM
>>>
> Hey gang! I am totally jazzed up on the Boss GT-3 (floor-type FX
processor, lists for under $500). I am reviewing it for Guitar World
and it is d-e-e-p, like that trench in the Pacific....


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1800 ms.

TH

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>Date: Thu, Sep 16, 1999, 5:31 PM
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> How many seconds/milliseconds of delay does it have?

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Travis wrote...
> Of course, it does have that irritating external power source...

The GT-5 has an AC cable, so that's one of the pros of going with the
5.

Delay time is 1800ms, so a longer looper would certainly be nice.
It's pretty amazing what you can to with just that short time though
when you can still change sounds and create variety with swept
filters, etc.

Miko Biffle                                    "Running scared from
all the usual distractions..."
mbiffle@svg.com

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Z.
Many months ago I had a problem with blowing fuses in
one of my echoplexii.  

I bought the same size replacements (i forget, is it
1/4 amp?, and they blew too.  I dissasembled and
inspected the echoplex for any shorts, found nothing
wrong.  I noticed that the fuses would not necessarily
blow right away, but might take several power cycles
to blow.  I watched several fuses on power up and saw
that they emitted a flash of light on power up (but
the fuse was still intact).  When I measured the fuse
resistance before and after a flash, I saw that the
resistance was increasing on the fuse, after it
flashed.  Next time or 2 I powered the edp up the fuse
would blow.  I tried different brands of fuses,
nothing seemed to work very long.  

I took a fuse out of another working echoplex (factory
original fuse), put it in the offending echoplex, and
no problem, the fuse did not blow.  I put a
replacement fuse in the good edp, and the replacement
would blow just like in the other edp. I could not see
any difference in the factory original fuse that
worked and my replacement fuses that blew quickly.  

I measured the current draw from the edp that first
blew the fuse, and my other 2 edp, and saw no
difference in current draw.

In desparation I installed a slightly larger fuse
(kids don't try this at home).  It worked then, and
has worked fine for months now.  

My only guess is that the edp is drawing surge current
(on power up) very close to the original fuses limits,
and that the 1/4 amp replacements I bought were on the
low end of the distribution (of current req'd to blow
the fuse). 

Disclaimer:
Your mileage may vary, proceed at your own risk.  It
is dangerous to put in a larger fuse than the
manufacturer recommends.  Don't blame me if your edp
really has a problem, and it burst into flames if you
put a larger fuse in it.
bret

--- wb5150@earthlink.net wrote:
> My EDP has inexplicably blown two fuses in the past
> week. Has anyone
> else suffered through this dilemma? If so, were
> there strange causal
> factors involved? Also, which intoxicants seemed to
> work best during the
> downtime?
> 
> Z.
> 
> 

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Folks,

I'm an acoustic player recently converted to electric with a number of pedals 
in my rep. could use advice from you veterans about the order in which they 
might best perform in my setup. also, should i be putting them in my amp's 
effects loop? which ones? why? i'm ignorant. please fill me in, people. 

here they are:

Boss Chromatic Tuner Pedal
Boss Reverb/Delay
Boss Compression/Sustainer
Boss Tremelo/Pan
Electro Harmonix Small Stone
Digitech Whammy/Wah
Rat
Nobels Preamp/Boost

Thanks in advance
David

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In a message dated 9/16/99 9:57:35 PM Mid-Atlantic Daylight Time, 
mbiffle@svg.com writes:

<< I doubt that I'll ever
 go back to an amp... >>

m n m.............what do you mean?............m n m

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     Crybaby Wah Pedal $50.00; **Please note, all items are in mint
     condition and some items have never been used.**

Seller: B.J. LoSchiavo,
E-mail: rob399_00@yahoo.com (Profile)
Location: RUNNEMEDE, NJ
Post Date: 9/14/99

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>From: "James Pokorny" 
>To: 
>Subject: Re: loop perf in nyc! (wrinklemuzik)
>Date: Thu, Sep 16, 1999, 8:13 pm
>

>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sean 
> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com 
> Date: Thursday, September 16, 1999 2:54 PM
> Subject: Re: loop perf in nyc! (wrinklemuzik)
>
>
>>the knitting factory == somewhat well-known venue in nyc
>>nyc == New York City
>
>
> And where would *that* be?  ;-)
>
> James
>>At 10:14 AM 9/16/99 PDT, someone wrote:
>>>What town????  Do you think we all know you?????????????????????/////
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
> 

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>Folks,
>
>I'm an acoustic player recently converted to electric with a number of pedals
>in my rep. could use advice from you veterans about the order in which they
>might best perform in my setup. also, should i be putting them in my amp's
>effects loop? which ones? why? i'm ignorant. please fill me in, people.
>
>here they are:
>
>Boss Chromatic Tuner Pedal
>Boss Reverb/Delay
>Boss Compression/Sustainer
>Boss Tremelo/Pan
>Electro Harmonix Small Stone
>Digitech Whammy/Wah
>Rat
>Nobels Preamp/Boost
>
>Thanks in advance
>David

I'm sure some will have a more practical approach...but I'm for m the
school that says.....EXPERIMENT....who knows what you'll find...

Patrick
                     Fingerpaint's New Release:

                            IN THE LOOP

      ... an intelligent, stimulating mixture of mimimaist spacebeats and
           obscure samples layered upon a hypnotic illbient backdrop.

                       DIGITAL ARTIFACT # 12

                      http://www.fingerpaint.net

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I've done a huge amount of work to get my dm4 sounding good so I can play my
Zendrum. what's the best way to back up my setting in case the whole unit
goes dead. I have a new computer with a awe 64 gold soundcard. I would like
to dump the info into my computer instead of purchasing some midi storing
device.

side note.....still having loads of fun with my boomerang. I know now what
they mean when they say "make you play better" I never knew I had a such bad
tempo control until I had to play with something that wouldn't give.lol
.........it really has inproved my playing.

postaldave@qx.net   and yes I am a postal worker.

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Dlangenes@aol.com wrote:

> Folks,
>
> I'm an acoustic player recently converted to electric with a number of pedals
> in my rep. could use advice from you veterans about the order in which they
> might best perform in my setup. also, should i be putting them in my amp's
> effects loop? which ones? why? i'm ignorant. please fill me in, people.
>
> here they are:
>
> Boss Chromatic Tuner Pedal
> Boss Reverb/Delay
> Boss Compression/Sustainer
> Boss Tremelo/Pan
> Electro Harmonix Small Stone
> Digitech Whammy/Wah
> Rat
> Nobels Preamp/Boost
>
> Thanks in advance
> David

oh yeah, i almost forgot. get a looper!

lance g.


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Dlangenes@aol.com wrote:
> 
> Folks,
> 
> I'm an acoustic player recently converted to electric with a number of pedals
> in my rep. could use advice from you veterans about the order in which they
> might best perform in my setup. also, should i be putting them in my amp's
> effects loop? which ones? why? i'm ignorant. please fill me in, people.
> 
> here they are:
> 
> Boss Chromatic Tuner Pedal
> Boss Reverb/Delay
> Boss Compression/Sustainer
> Boss Tremelo/Pan
> Electro Harmonix Small Stone
> Digitech Whammy/Wah
> Rat
> Nobels Preamp/Boost
> 
> Thanks in advance
> David

A more "introductory" order would be:
tuner
compressor
whammy/wah
pre-amp
    rat    \  or
small stone/  reversed
tremolo
reverb/delay

Distorions like to be ahead of delays, choruses, flangers, etc.
But as always experiment.

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Well, I've been learning the interface for this lil' item, which presently
screams for me to create my own patches, though I've only had my hands (or
feet, considering the pedals, and as I can click the little buttons for
parameters with my toes) on it for several days.

So far, so good!  I did up a piece called "Wet Detective Street" last night,
taking very little time of preparation in comparison with the
playing-recording of it.  I may post the bit soon - it's designed to be used
as an ongoing loop for, say, the background music of a wet street seen from
a decreasing crane shot, the figures below in trenchcoat and hat, but out of
earshot.  Well, as far as THIS track is concerned.  It sort of wants more on
top of it, but I think that's an interactive feature.  We'll see.

Meantime, I R Happy Camper with the Zoom 2100 - though I wish the 16/32
second sample was sound-on-sound... :)  Perhaps that could happen with a
memory augmentation/tweak...?

Stephen Goodman       * It's the free Loop Of The Week!
EarthLight Productions * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios.html
*
(Hear the NEW "Star Spangled Banner" here!)

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Dlangenes@aol.com wrote:

> Folks,
>
> I'm an acoustic player recently converted to electric with a number of pedals
> in my rep. could use advice from you veterans about the order in which they
> might best perform in my setup. also, should i be putting them in my amp's
> effects loop? which ones? why? i'm ignorant. please fill me in, people.
>
> here they are:
>
> Boss Chromatic Tuner Pedal
> Boss Reverb/Delay
> Boss Compression/Sustainer
> Boss Tremelo/Pan
> Electro Harmonix Small Stone
> Digitech Whammy/Wah
> Rat
> Nobels Preamp/Boost

well, you have more than a few choices. what i've come to know as a more or less
*standard* approach is compression/boost up front (guitar end), then wah, then
overdrive/distortion, then reverb/delay, and finally modulation effects
(phaser/trem...).

but take this with a big grain of salt, because many useful sounds can be had by
switching the order of one or several (and maybe all) of the effects in your
chain. also, its really best to start with fewer rather than more, because the
more devices in your signal chain, generally the weaker/thinner the sound coming
out of your amp.

it's like color. if you think of color as additive, i.e. when you keep adding
colors you get richer color, but if you add too many you get mud (sometimes mud
is fun, though). sometimes you get white, if you're dealing with reflective
color (then your tone just sort of vanishes, generally not a good thing).

another thought is to look at the effects you have as spices in your kitchen,
i.e. if you like your basic guitar/amp sound (since you didn't say what you
have, i"ll assume for the sake of argument that you like it and are not trying
to make up for inadequacies in these two components, which usually no amount of
pedal power will overcome), then consider the guitar/amp as the meat (or soy) of
your meal; you'll then need to decide which spices will be complementary. it's
unlikely all tof them will taste good together, in fact they'll probably drown
out the flavor of the meat (not to mention the soy, which hasn't a lot  of
flavor to begin with), so start conservatively. try a dash of compression with
the rat. run the compressor after the rat to see what effect this has...add the
reverb/delay. with just these three components, play around with various
settings. switch pickups. alter the tone/gain of your guitar or amp. take away
the compression. alter your playing style (trade plectrum for fingers or
vice-versa). throw in the whammy/wah. lose the rat and add the preamp & trem.
toss them all and start over. take notes (but don't make yourself crazy). if you
love a particular combination, definitely write it down somewhere. above all,
have fun. buy quality patch cords and get together a supply of spare 9v
batteries.

best,

lance g.



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What? leaving?  lets have fun sometimes. I had my laugh
Thank you!

>----------
>>From: "James Pokorny" 
>>To: 
>>Subject: Re: loop perf in nyc! (wrinklemuzik)
>>Date: Thu, Sep 16, 1999, 8:13 pm
>>
>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Sean 
>> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com 
>> Date: Thursday, September 16, 1999 2:54 PM
>> Subject: Re: loop perf in nyc! (wrinklemuzik)
>>
>>
>>>the knitting factory == somewhat well-known venue in nyc
>>>nyc == New York City
>>
>>
>> And where would *that* be?  ;-)
>>
>> James
>>>At 10:14 AM 9/16/99 PDT, someone wrote:
>>>>What town????  Do you think we all know you?????????????????????/////




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thanks tons for the advice! i can't believe this forum is free...

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>--- wb5150@earthlink.net wrote:
>> My EDP has inexplicably blown two fuses in the past
>> week. Has anyone
>> else suffered through this dilemma? If so, were
>> there strange causal
>> factors involved? Also, which intoxicants seemed to
>> work best during the
>> downtime?

>I took a fuse out of another working echoplex (factory
>original fuse), put it in the offending echoplex, and
>no problem, the fuse did not blow.  I put a
>replacement fuse in the good edp, and the replacement
>would blow just like in the other edp. I could not see
>any difference in the factory original fuse that
>worked and my replacement fuses that blew quickly.
>
>I measured the current draw from the edp that first
>blew the fuse, and my other 2 edp, and saw no
>difference in current draw.
>
>In desparation I installed a slightly larger fuse
>(kids don't try this at home).  It worked then, and
>has worked fine for months now.
>
>My only guess is that the edp is drawing surge current
>(on power up) very close to the original fuses limits,
>and that the 1/4 amp replacements I bought were on the
>low end of the distribution (of current req'd to blow
>the fuse).

about every transformer driven machine draws more at power up.
"slow blow" fuses are made for this. Did you get those or the quick ones?




         ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org


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   don't know if any of you can afford it or not, but i do know that for
whatever reason, guitarcenter does not carry the boomerang presently...
if you've got a KORG TRITON PROX, then i'll trade you my boomerang, or you
can buy my boomerang for a whole lot, enought to buy me a TRITON. i have a
brand new boomerang, but there's only one thing in the world that i love
more, and that's a triton. (SOB .... SOB SOB.....)

				love,
					Triton ProX

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Could be slo-blow fuses are the original part?  May devices have a higher
inrush at power-up than normal operation. Kim?

Stew

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I also  ly a fifth tuned guitar for about 5
or 6 years.

The only problem I came with was string
tension... And proper strinf brand taht
woudn't break. Funnily, despite iterative
standing from almost evryone about, there no
such difference, only 2 or 3 string makers in
the world and bla bla bla, I found BIG
differences when it came to tone and
resiliance to breakage under high stress (not
me, the strings!) situations.


Olivier Malhomme

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>Could be slo-blow fuses are the original part?  May devices have a higher
>inrush at power-up than normal operation. Kim?
>
>Stew

I think slo-blow is great. That'll definitely prevent premature popping of
your fuse from a fast in-rush.




sorry. ;-)

I think they use fast-blow fuses, probably a better quality brand than the
one you got at der radio hack. We originally put in .25A, 250V fast blow
fuses. I don't know what they've done since. Using a slo-blow would be
fine, I think.

kim

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>thanks tons for the advice! i can't believe this forum is free...

It is? hey! nobody told me that!

kim

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Hello people,

I've been on the list for months now, and I want to seize a chance to say
how much I appreciate the traffic it generates (although most of it is
definitely out of my reach...).

I have a question for all those loop gurus out there.

I make loop music and I've recently started experimenting with very low-fi
sampling (i.e. sampling at frequencies of 8 and 4 kHz...)
The results can be very interesting because the loops change dramatically
and new textures appear. Also I like to slow down the loops until drums
sound like waves of an ocean from a planet far away and bass lines create a
low vibration in the speakers rather than a proper sound or melody. Snares
become pretty scary too...

But here I have a problem: along with these interesting new sounds, the
lo-fi samples will often also produce a disturbing hiss which I'd like to
get rid off. I would also like to be able to toy with the sounds produced
by my sampler and possibly compress the sound to get it more compact (I
don't know if I'm clear enough).

Can anybody suggest a device I could insert between the *line out* of my
sampler and the *line in* of my amplifier to achieve a more compact,
rounder sound and filter out some frquencies to eventually get rid of the
hiss?

For those interested here's my (super simple) setup:
Akai s20 sampler MIDI controlled by a Yamaha QY70 sequencer (I don't use
the voice generator of the QY, I only use it to trigger samples). The line
out of the Akai goes to a mixer then to the amp or recorder (the recording
device is presently DEAD, it was a SHARP MS702 MD recorder).
The line 2 of the mixer I use for voice.

Incidentally, I was recently given a BOSS VT1 voice tansformer. Interseting
but (apparently) limited. Anybody with hints or a manual on how to use this
device?

Thank you all.

Peace.

PiR [aka FreezerMan]
The Akai s20 page (in French):
http://persoweb.francenet.fr/~plionnet/FreezerMan/musique.html
 


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On Fri, 17 Sep 1999, Kim Flint wrote:

> I think slo-blow is great. That'll definitely prevent premature popping of
> your fuse from a fast in-rush.
> 
and if these don't work simply use a paper clip or nail instead of 
the fuse, but make sure it sticks out from the fuse holder
by at least and inch to improve heat dispersion.

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Kim,

Would it be possible to propose a little DJRND2 demo included in a next
Looper's Delight CD volume ?

Emmanuel

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I'm not Graham,I'm not leaving but since the goof is blamed on him and he's 
leaving...what's up with that Dude.  Actually the Potter's are playing at 
the Women Care Center Oct 1st @ 23E.Beach in Watsonville Ca..  We are the 
the Von Potter Family Loopers,the only Accordian-Looping Family in the 
World. Papa starts,then Mama and the six children follow, no echoplex, no 
jamman, no boomerang, no gadgets...just pure accordian looping at it's 
finest. With sychonized leider-hosen.  See you all there!  Papa Dave


>From: Matthias Grob 
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>
>
>What? leaving?  lets have fun sometimes. I had my laugh
>Thank you!
>
> >----------
> >>From: "James Pokorny" 
> >>To: 
> >>Subject: Re: loop perf in nyc! (wrinklemuzik)
> >>Date: Thu, Sep 16, 1999, 8:13 pm
> >>
> >
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Sean 
> >> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com 
> >> Date: Thursday, September 16, 1999 2:54 PM
> >> Subject: Re: loop perf in nyc! (wrinklemuzik)
> >>
> >>
> >>>the knitting factory == somewhat well-known venue in nyc
> >>>nyc == New York City
> >>
> >>
> >> And where would *that* be?  ;-)
> >>
> >> James
> >>>At 10:14 AM 9/16/99 PDT, someone wrote:
> >>>>What town????  Do you think we all know you?????????????????????/////
>
>
>
>
>          ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org
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I always tried to use follow the "Kirkdorffer Directives" in stomp-box
ordering.

1) Place at the end of the chain, the effect that generates the most "system
noise" or "muddiness" -- so that all that system noise doesn't become
"effected" by subsequent devices.  In my case, I have a FUZZ Factory at the
end.

2) Place at the beginning of the chain the effect that can give the most
gain when turned on, to help "push" your signal through all those little
cables and pedals and up to your hungry amp.  In my case, I've added a line
boost.

I hope that helps.
david k


-----Original Message-----
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Dlangenes@aol.com wrote:

> Folks,
>
> I'm an acoustic player recently converted to electric with a number of
pedals
> in my rep. could use advice from you veterans about the order in which
they
> might best perform in my setup. also, should i be putting them in my amp's
> effects loop? which ones? why? i'm ignorant. please fill me in, people.
>
> here they are:
>
> Boss Chromatic Tuner Pedal
> Boss Reverb/Delay
> Boss Compression/Sustainer
> Boss Tremelo/Pan
> Electro Harmonix Small Stone
> Digitech Whammy/Wah
> Rat
> Nobels Preamp/Boost

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there're various toys out there that I think could be useful to have a
cleanaer and stronger signal from your sampler: basicly a good use of
compressors, noise gates, EQs or low pass filters could make great difference.

ciao
leo

At 13.00 17/09/99 +0200, you wrote:
>Hello people,
>
>I've been on the list for months now, and I want to seize a chance to say
>how much I appreciate the traffic it generates (although most of it is
>definitely out of my reach...).
>
>I have a question for all those loop gurus out there.
>
>I make loop music and I've recently started experimenting with very low-fi
>sampling (i.e. sampling at frequencies of 8 and 4 kHz...)
>The results can be very interesting because the loops change dramatically
>and new textures appear. Also I like to slow down the loops until drums
>sound like waves of an ocean from a planet far away and bass lines create a
>low vibration in the speakers rather than a proper sound or melody. Snares
>become pretty scary too...
>
>But here I have a problem: along with these interesting new sounds, the
>lo-fi samples will often also produce a disturbing hiss which I'd like to
>get rid off. I would also like to be able to toy with the sounds produced
>by my sampler and possibly compress the sound to get it more compact (I
>don't know if I'm clear enough).
>
>Can anybody suggest a device I could insert between the *line out* of my
>sampler and the *line in* of my amplifier to achieve a more compact,
>rounder sound and filter out some frquencies to eventually get rid of the
>hiss?
>
>For those interested here's my (super simple) setup:
>Akai s20 sampler MIDI controlled by a Yamaha QY70 sequencer (I don't use
>the voice generator of the QY, I only use it to trigger samples). The line
>out of the Akai goes to a mixer then to the amp or recorder (the recording
>device is presently DEAD, it was a SHARP MS702 MD recorder).
>The line 2 of the mixer I use for voice.
>
>Incidentally, I was recently given a BOSS VT1 voice tansformer. Interseting
>but (apparently) limited. Anybody with hints or a manual on how to use this
>device?
>
>Thank you all.
>
>Peace.
>
>PiR [aka FreezerMan]
>The Akai s20 page (in French):
>http://persoweb.francenet.fr/~plionnet/FreezerMan/musique.html
> 
>
>
>
>

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i have an alesis Q2, it has a universal mute setting that totally removes the 
input signal so that all that comes out is the effected signal rather than a 
mix of the two.......when i do this, everything sounds muddy (?) although 
interesting.......is there a way of cleaning up the effected signal without 
re-adding the direct signal?....ideas?........last nite after reading the 
glowing reports on the boss gt3 here, i went to harmony-central and read all 
the reviews on it........G.A.S.!!!!!!!!!!!........so rather than being killed 
in my sleep by my wonderful family for buying another piece of gear i figured 
that i would dig into what i have and "really" see what it can do.........so 
any quadraverb hints would be most welcome.......off list 
please........thanks.........michael

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thanks for all your support!

looking forward to hearing about all your gigs too.


klowy



At 4:05 PM -0500 9/16/99, Dennis W. Leas wrote:
>No, no, no.  It's "The Nyce Potters" playing their Lowery organs in Hammond,
>Indiana.  The show is called "Feat of Clay."
>
>Dennis Leas
>-----------------------------
>dennis@mdbs.com
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: paul buelow 
>To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com 
>Date: Thursday, September 16, 1999 11:02 AM
>Subject: Re: loop perf in nyc! (wrinklemuzik)
>
>
>>Yes I just heard that the NYC Potters will be looping in
>>Lowry, Indiana.
>>
>>Awesome,
>>PB
>>
>>"Taaffe, Denis G" wrote:
>>>
>>> Wow great,
>>>
>>>         Ken lowry is going to be playing a gig in potters,IN  (population
>>> 12)?
>>>
>>> Cool
>>> DT
>>>
>>> -
>>> Subject: Re: loop perf in nyc! (wrinklemuzik)
>>>
>>> C'mon Potter! It's right in the Subject of the message... *-0
>>>
>>> >>> "David Potter"  09/16 10:36 AM >>>
>>> What town????  Do you think we all know
>>> you?????????????????????/////
>>

wrinklemuzik (aka kenn lowy)
music for the sonic age (by way of the ebow)

http://www.wrinklemuzik.com/

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FS T.C. Electronic Gear

Asking Price: US$N/A
Condition: Mint
Age: N/A
Description:

       Hello there,

       Need to sell t.c. 2290 $900.00

       Also t.c. 1210 spatial expander $550.00

       Digitech tsr-24s $300.00

       Digitech dhp-55 $275.00

       Thanks, Peter

Seller: Pete Penzone,
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Location: HILLIARD, OH
Post Date: 9/16/99

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mbiffle@svg.com writes:
<< I doubt that I'll ever
 go back to an amp... >>

Miko Biffle                                    "Running scared from
all the usual distractions..."
mbiffle@svg.com

>>>  09/16 6:33 PM >>>
m n m.............what do you mean?............m n m

Hi Michael...

I mean a guitar amp... I typically run direct to a mixing console or
into a full range pair of speakers. Live, that means my drumbox and
sampler sounds great as well as the guitar (thanks to the GT-5's
excellent speaker simulations. I used to use HK Red Boxes with my
Pearce amp).

BTW: What are those cute m n m's surrounding your question?

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OK, I guess it's my turn.  :)

* Solo Percussion with Spoken Word
* Looping with two Echoplexi, lots of toys
* Time: 6 - 9 PM, Saturday, September 18, 1999
* Location:
    Barnes and Noble Booksellers
        2323 Sagamore Parkway South
            close to Tippecanoe Mall
                Lafayette
                    Indiana
                        USA
                            Earth
                                Sol system
                                    Milky Way galaxy
                                        local cluster
                                            Vigo Supercluster
                                                current Universe

Dennis Leas
-----------------------------
dennis@mdbs.com


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On Fri, 17 Sep 1999, Kim Flint copied:

>> I think slo-blow is great. That'll definitely prevent premature popping of
>> your fuse from a fast in-rush.

Then on Fri, Sep 17, 1999, Jim Carter  wrote:
 
>and if these don't work simply use a paper clip or nail instead of 
>the fuse, but make sure it sticks out from the fuse holder
>by at least and inch to improve heat dispersion.
>


I prefer a .38 round.  You sure know when it "pops".

-Matt

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Roland Robles(tabla,urdo,hand percussion)and I(6-string fretless basses
and loops) will be playing at the Temescal Cafe,4920 Telegraph Ave,51st
and Telegraph.(510-595-4069) tomarrow, Sat.September 18th from 1.30 to
3.30pm
Please stop by if you like and you're in the area! this has the
potential for becoming a regular thing in which case I'd really like to
invite other loopist's and lead instruments to sit in w/us. 
                             Scott Kungha Drengsen
                             http://www.basscapes.com

P.S.We're also looking for a cool name for the project

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An element of the Kirkdorffer Directives states:

<< Place at the beginning of the chain the effect that can give the most gain 
when turned on, to help "push" your signal through all those little cables 
and pedals and up to your hungry amp.   >>

Which brings up an interesting point: Many of the electrons that your local 
power company sells you are used, and some are even dead.  (Yet they charge 
you for new ones.)

Kirkdorffer has a valuable lesson for us.  Perhaps another useful idea would 
be to place at the end of the signal path the component that electrons desire 
most.  I know for us loopers, that is usually the looping device itself.  
After all, what electron would NOT want to see him- or herself duplicated ad 
infinitum?  What a boost to the self-esteem of our tiny friend!


Kevin Brunkhorst

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Hey -

I was wondering about this a few months ago, and the list really helped me out.
For another resource, however, check out www.harmony-central.com, and find the
article called something like "avoiding GAS (guitar acquisition syndrome)#6: 
building a professional pedalboard"  I found it to be very helpful, and there
is a diagram you can refer to to refresh your memory.

Michael 

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postaldave wrote:
> 
> I've done a huge amount of work to get my dm4 sounding good so I can play my
> Zendrum. what's the best way to back up my setting in case the whole unit
> goes dead. I have a new computer with a awe 64 gold soundcard. I would like
> to dump the info into my computer instead of purchasing some midi storing
> device.

Use a midi librarian. Cubase is capable of doing it with
the studio module or Galalxy librarian. Get or receive
the dump of settings particualarly the trigger settings.
You can use a generic librarian and do a bulk dump or
preferably a librarian or editor designed specifically
for DM4. I recently had trouble and had no librarian so
I found one on the web that created a .sys file that is
stored. The shareware program is called audionaut? Any
way it only works for free 30 times or so but you can
use it to store the settings and send them to the
device. The process requires two midi cables and the
device set to MIDI thru -I think.

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I'll be looping with Canadian singer-songwriter Douglas September
at
The Borderlines
Manette Street
London
Tuesday Sept. 21st
9:00 pm.

Radio 2 (from Holland) Friday the 24th

best to all,
Robby Aceto

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As Part of the Philadelphia Fringe Festival, the Fresh Ears, New Hearing
composers evening will include some loop based performances tonight:

"Improvisation #6" for Electronic Percussion and tape by Douglas Ovens

"Night Nurse" Sound sculpture of electronic instruments and voice loops
by David Talento (aka: Me)

"Soundscape for Flute and Tape" by Caryn Block

There will also be three other performances ranging from Cello solos to
Singer-songwriter stuff. It will not be your average academic or bar
band show. Come and check it out.

This evening is part of the 15 day Fringe Festival (www.pafringe.com)
and a second evening of the New Composers Series will include pieces by
other interesting arists with some looposity as well.

Tonight, Friday 9/17/99
8:30 PM
St Georges Methodist Church
 235 N 4th St. Phila. Pa (in Olde City)

Tickets will be available at the door or hit up the Box office for info
and a discount on multiple shows : (215) 413-1318 


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--- Matthias Grob  wrote:

> about every transformer driven machine draws more at
> power up.
> "slow blow" fuses are made for this. Did you get
> those or the quick ones?

Matthias,
What you say is true.  

I originally replaced the edp fuse with the same type
(fast blow) and value.  If I recall correctly it was a
1/4 amp.  After blowing 12 of these from 2 different
manufacturers, I went with the next regular size up,
1/2 amp (I think) fast blow and this has worked fine
for months.  Incremental sizes between 1/4 amp and 1/2
amp are available, by mail order, but I did not
experiment with these.

bret


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			Playlist for "EMUSIC"

"EMUSIC," an electronic, ambient, and space music show, airs each Thursday
at 11pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in
Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ.  http://www.wdiyfm.org/schedule/s_emusic.html

		Show #N/A		September 9, 1999.
		Host: Bill Fox		http://www.wdiyfm.org
		billfox@fast.net

While I was out of town, EMUSIC didn't happen because the person who was
to fill in for me ran into trouble on the way to the station.  There was
no time to get yet another replacement.

Please visit the WDIY web site and navigate through the schedule to the
EMUSIC pages.  Playlists for every show are there.  Hot links to artists
and labels can be found in the monthly focus section.

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At 4:30 AM -0700 9/17/99, PERILLE wrote:
>Kim,
>
>Would it be possible to propose a little DJRND2 demo included in a next
>Looper's Delight CD volume ?
>
>Emmanuel

I don't actually organize the CDs. That's done by people on the list who
take the initiative and do it. So whoever organizes the next one will be
the person to ask. Usually the CDs are about music and not gear demos, tho.
We hear enough about gear on the list! Let some great music be the demo.....

kim

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hello
i just joined this looping forum and enjoy its input into my otherwise senseless
days at work.

anyhow, i recently moved to albuquerque new mexico and have found myself in some
sort of a cultural vacuum.  despite my efforts to find electronic music/musique
concrete/looping resources, i only dig up marriachi bands and awful fratboyish
punkrock clubs.

i must not be looking hard enough.  i have clearly been spoiled by new york and
london, with their overwhelmingly pressing event schedules.

so, please, if anyone on this listserve knows of any interesting musical
happenings in the new mexico region, PLEASE tell me!  i am starving, so to speak.
and if any of you live around here and want to collaborate, (first off i'm a poor,
poor boy and have virtually no decent/useful equipment) i work mostly with really
primitive feedback loops, enjoy pre-seventies musique concrete, contemporary
krautrock and less danceable electronica, and noise/drone music.
thanks
--sven

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Thanks for being specific Dennis, I'm coming from a different Gallaxy and 
hate getting lost.  I'll beam you up sometime to Jam.  You won't need 
directions.  Om and Out
                                                 Papa Dave


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>OK, I guess it's my turn.  :)
>
>* Solo Percussion with Spoken Word
>* Looping with two Echoplexi, lots of toys
>* Time: 6 - 9 PM, Saturday, September 18, 1999
>* Location:
>     Barnes and Noble Booksellers
>         2323 Sagamore Parkway South
>             close to Tippecanoe Mall
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What is a KORG TRITON PROX????????

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Those parties utterly fascinated with the lifestyle choices of loopers
and their diagrammed and/or listed "signal paths" should be, as always,
be wary of past court decisions, which have upheld the criminalizing of
certain behaviors within the state of Georgia. Those, however, who want
to discuss what effects loopers use could probably give a rat's ass
about such things -- although, re: rats/their asses, said parties might
wish to review the above discussion re: Georgia/criminalizing of certain
behaviors...

But, whatever state you're in, you might be interested in the
development of Digitech's line of integrated processing and its loopy
application(s). I, myself, am a proud, deliriously pleased user of the
Digitech 2112 tube preamp/processor (I am, unfortunately, a frustrated,
embittered user of their Control One dedicated footpedal/continuous
controller, which has been repaired three times already and currently
needs to go in for Round 4; my frustrations with this floor controller
do not end there, but enough about me). I consider the plenitude of
effects available to be generally excellent and its tube distortion
even-more-than-. In its off-the-rack state, one can access an
infinitely-repeatable maximum of 2.8 seconds delay time. However, one
can also, for the low, discount price of $75 (less labor should you not
wish to sweat the replacement yourself), upgrade the processor in this
unit to the newer 2120 version of same, bringing the delay time up to a
salutary maximum of 10 seconds. I would recommend going the 2112-to-2120
route as it's much cheaper than getting a spanking new 2120 -- you
might, for example, track down that fellow who's selling his
2112/Control One on harmony-central for $450 and replace the processor
your darned self. Unlike other alleged "delay" units that are samplers
in delay clothing, the Digitech unit(s) treat(s) the signal being
delayed as a delayed signal, not an emulation of same -- changing the
amount of time the signal delays, forexample, increases/decreases the
signal's pitch accordingly. Plus which, you would be on the receiving
end of all the attendant joys of 2112 ownership, not the least of which
is the fielding of all those clever Alex Lifeson puns from rock music
enthusiasts, of which, it turns out, there are many...

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> *standard* approach is compression/boost up front (guitar end), then wah,
> then
> overdrive/distortion, then reverb/delay, and finally modulation effects
> (phaser/trem...).
> 
	** i have a slightly different take as i like to have the delay (or
reverb when i used to use one) as the very last thing in the chain. i like
this because you get a delay of all the crap that you put into it - - and
it's especially important if your delay(s) also act(s) as your looper(s) on
occasion. 

	the other thing is that some people think that you should have fuzz
after trem/chorus (or uni-vibe) effects. if you have two fuzz/overdrive
pedals, you can do one before and one after (since i have three i run one
before a phaser/chorus, one after, then a trem, then another overdrive  . .
. they all yield different nuances in different orders).

	the other thing is that some pedals don't react well in combination
after another sort of pedal, but sound amazing before that pedal for the
same combination. it all comes down to the synergies of the pedals. as
someone said: experiment, experiment, experiment.

	stig

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----- Original Message -----
From: 
To: 
Sent: Friday, September 17, 1999 3:39 PM
Subject: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V99 #374

All of these "problems" going down with different people's loopers is making
me kind of nervous. Is there any care-taking tips out there from the elder
loopers? Are there any steps that can be taken to preserve a long and
illustrious life for my __________________  (insert any quality audio gear
in the blank)?
concerned looposopher,
                    Jamie
            free33 forever

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i agree with the experiment thing. the 1st thing i run through is a rocktron 
phaser pedal, then a tube preamp, 2 distortion pedals, tremelo pedal, volume 
pedal,  and a dig. delay. i use the phaser 1st because i like the whacky 
things it can do to the distortion pedals which come after it. there is no 
wrong way to do this stuff. it isn't like gun safety where if you don't 
follow the rules you get your head blown off. mix it up! go nuts! =-) PJ

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Hello -

It's hard enough to find a drummer nowadays -- but I thought "hey, life's
short -- go for your dreams!" -- so I'm looking for drummers in the Boston
area who employs looping in their performance.

I'm pulling together a show in November.

David Kirkdorffer
UNDO

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Did someone mention selling a Headrush on this list a few days ago?  I 
thought I saved it but apparently did not.  If it's still available you can 
email me privately and we can discuss the details.
thanks
-jack
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I have a electro HArmonix MEmory Man and a Electro Harmonix Q-Tron for sale
and also a Mirage sampler
name ur price make it reasonable.
: >

c.white

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hey bobdog did ya get the 1604?
----------
>From: Bobdog/Doghouse Audio Laboratory 
>To: "Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" 
>Subject: Boomerangs: We Got 'Em
>Date: Fri, Sep 17, 1999, 5:08 AM
>

>if anyone is interested in getting a boomerang, we just got a new
>shipment at
>
>krazy kat music
>210.737.0523
>www.krazykatmusic.com
>krazy2@flash.net
>
>we'll sell them for $425 + shipping
>
>if interested *please contact me there*, not at my home email.
>
>thanks!
>
>bobdog
>

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well sven you are my man but i live in Atlanta do you have a 4track we can
trade sounds...
take care
c.white
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>From: Sven Anderson 
>To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
>Subject: the albuquerque vacuum
>Date: Fri, Sep 17, 1999, 4:17 PM
>

>hello
>i just joined this looping forum and enjoy its input into my otherwise senseless
>days at work.
>
>anyhow, i recently moved to albuquerque new mexico and have found myself in some
>sort of a cultural vacuum.  despite my efforts to find electronic music/musique
>concrete/looping resources, i only dig up marriachi bands and awful fratboyish
>punkrock clubs.
>
>i must not be looking hard enough.  i have clearly been spoiled by new york and
>london, with their overwhelmingly pressing event schedules.
>
>so, please, if anyone on this listserve knows of any interesting musical
>happenings in the new mexico region, PLEASE tell me!  i am starving, so to speak.
>and if any of you live around here and want to collaborate, (first off i'm a poor,
>poor boy and have virtually no decent/useful equipment) i work mostly with really
>primitive feedback loops, enjoy pre-seventies musique concrete, contemporary
>krautrock and less danceable electronica, and noise/drone music.
>thanks
>--sven
>

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> I think they use fast-blow fuses, probably a better
> quality brand than the
> one you got at der radio hack. We originally put in
> .25A, 250V fast blow
> fuses. 

The origninal fuses in my 3 echoplex were definitely
fast blow.  I did try replacements from radio shack,
but also bought the same brand as the original edp
fuse from an electronics supplier.  They all blew the
same.  

1/2 amp fast blow has been just fine.
bret

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am i missing some posts to the group?.........often, i am seeing answers to 
questions or responses to items that i dont remember reading the original 
post of..........am i just being paranoid and huh...........is there someone 
standing behind me right now?.............michael

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Will be there.  I'd also like to sit in later on.  How about these:

5) Infiniticity

4) Rythmisms

3) Roland, Khungha & Co.

2) Fluid Plastick Art Station

1) Ummagumma Kungha and the Tunguska Dreamscapers

I can come up with some more if you want...  :-)


  | -----Original Message-----
  | From: scott kungha drengsen [mailto:kungha@earthlink.net]
  | Sent: Friday 17 September 1999 9:48 AM
  | To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
  | Subject: Live looping in Oakland(Tablas and Bass)
  | 
  | 
  | P.S.We're also looking for a cool name for the project
  | 

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From: "David Potter"  (by way of Kim Flint)
Subject: Re: 'Plex Paranoia!

shit happens...gear breaks...everything breaks...take a chance..
Eechoplex,jamman,boomerang, the list goes on and on...they all will break!
Have Fun!!!


>From: "Jenni Leeds" 
>Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
>To: 
>Subject: 'Plex Paranoia!
>Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 16:24:27 -0500
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: 
>To: 
>Sent: Friday, September 17, 1999 3:39 PM
>Subject: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V99 #374
>
>All of these "problems" going down with different people's loopers is
>making
>me kind of nervous. Is there any care-taking tips out there from the elder
>loopers? Are there any steps that can be taken to preserve a long and
>illustrious life for my __________________  (insert any quality audio gear
>in the blank)?
>concerned looposopher,
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From: "Laurie Hatch"  (by way of Kim Flint)
Subject: Re: Digital Answering Machine; slightly OFF-TOPIC

> From: Tom Lambrecht [mailto:hideo@concentric.net]
> Sent: Friday, September 10, 1999 2:44 PM
>
> I thought you were DEAD . . .

Not dead, just swamped.  There's a difference: I'm having a real good time
while gulping for air...%^)

> wait to purchase that expensive rack module until you've thoroughly
> exhausted the possibilities inherent in the Texas Instruments
> Speak and ####
> educational toys (using a jumper wire to short and trigger the PC
> traces)--have the minidisc plugged in and ready--the results are
> unpredictable and rarely reproducible

So you're into this ed-u-ca-tion-al toy torture thing, huh Tom?  Been goin'
on long?  YOU must be the guy slidin' through church basement rummage sales.
Hooded snake-eyes glint past faded poodles and home-pierced barbies.  There.
The Speak n Spells!  You contain intense excitement, electrified.  The hand
darts out.  Walk normally BE COOOOL, cool and pay the lady a worn dollar
bill clenched tight in the fist...

Yeah, OK.  So I'm feelin' pretty twisted tonight after repeatedly poking my
answering machine in the face.

~~LH




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From: Tim Nelson  (by way of Kim Flint)
Subject: RE: Live looping in Oakland(Tablas and Bass)

Well, there's BassBols. (The "bass" half is obvious, your tabaliya can tell
ya what a "bol" is if you're not familiar with the term...)

If that's too silly, you could call the project Mandra Saptak. It's a term
from Indian classical music meaning "the lower octave". But you'd probably
have a lot of people asking "Which one of you is Mandra?"

Jugalbandhi? It's a duet, though bass and tablas probably wouldn't
technically be a jugalbandhi, and it sounds more like a project with this
name would be using a one-stringed washtub bass and blowing across the top
of a jug of moonshine.

Lahara might be appropriate. It's the repetition of a melody underneath a
featured tabla part. Since you WILL be looping that bass...

Good luck with the gig,

Tim


 >Live looping in Oakland(Tablas and Bass)
>  |
>  |
>  | P.S.We're also looking for a cool name for the project
>  |
>
>


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"shit happens...gear breaks...everything breaks...take a chance..
Eechoplex,jamman,boomerang, the list goes on and on...they all will break!
Have Fun!!!"

as far as my boomerang is concerned it is about as fragile as a hammer.
sorry your high tech midi machines keep breaking.lol      just kidding
around.....don't turn this into a flame war.

postaldave@qx.net   yes I am a mailman.


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Subject: Re:  i wonder


In a message dated 9/18/99 2:23:55 AM, you wrote:

<>

Join the club - I thought it was just me :). - paul


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Could you be a bit more specific on the location?  ;-)

James

-----Original Message-----
From: Dennis W. Leas 
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com 
Date: Friday, September 17, 1999 1:47 PM
Subject: gig announcement


>OK, I guess it's my turn.  :)
>
>* Solo Percussion with Spoken Word
>* Looping with two Echoplexi, lots of toys
>* Time: 6 - 9 PM, Saturday, September 18, 1999
>* Location:
>    Barnes and Noble Booksellers
>        2323 Sagamore Parkway South
>            close to Tippecanoe Mall
>                Lafayette
>                    Indiana
>                        USA
>                            Earth
>                                Sol system
>                                    Milky Way galaxy
>                                        local cluster
>                                            Vigo Supercluster
>                                                current Universe
>
>Dennis Leas
>-----------------------------
>dennis@mdbs.com
>
>
>


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From: Echopark99@aol.com (by way of Kim Flint)
Subject: Re: the albuquerque vacuum


In a message dated 9/17/99 12:43:57 PM, svena@accessinn.com writes:

>so, please, if anyone on this listserve knows of any interesting musical
>happenings in the new mexico region, PLEASE tell me!  i am starving, so
>to speak.

Now that it's September, you might find something at the University. You
could probably do the crudest concrete performance at a snack bar there and
meet some potential collaboraters.

If you get desperate, email me privately and maybe we could meet in
Flagstaff, AZ. My girlfriend and I like to hang there, discharging from Los
Angeles a few times a year. Sometimes I tote a simple loop rig to the Monte
Vista Hotel, which has a fun lounge/bar/club and we've dropped in on a couple
of open mikes and coffee joints and alternate between actual songs and 30
minutes of atmos-guitar loopies. Or we'll just hole up in the hotel room and
duet with the freight train horns barrelling through town.

I met some folks around the University who put me up in their house when my
car broke down for three days. I didn't find any avant-music but these cats
showed me some weird-ass home movies, and I bet they would dig any sountrack
you might have scared up. They're somewhere up in Taos area now, if you
haven't gone up there yet, the "out-there" factor is significant.

good luck and write if you find work,
eric p
echo park


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Date: Sun, 19 Sep 1999 12:29:31 -0700
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From: John Tidwell  (by way of Kim Flint)
Subject: Re: Digitech 2120 Loop-a-Dope (I'M NOT ALONE!!!)

I've got to pipe in & second that emotion!

I upgraded my 2112 to 2120 status about a month ago &
have not been able to stop looping on the damn thing!

To say that it has a 10 sec. max delay time is not
saying enough. For example, you could have two 10 sec.
delays in parallel or series. You could have a string
of 8 delays, each one capable of up to 2 sec. delay.
Don't need that many delays? Swap out a few for some
of the many other available effects. Up to 16 para-
meters can be assigned to controllers per patch.
Controller options are midi cc, Digitech Control 1,
or the onboard modifiers: 2 LFOs (sin,tri,log,exp,sq)
& 2 dynamic modifiers. 100 user slots are available to
save your patches.

All delays are capable of both positive & negative
feedback, -99%-99%. With 1 or 2 exceptions, the delays
can be set to 100% feedback (hold).

I wish I had the ability & facility to let you hear it
instead of boring the crap out of you with a list of
features. This thing can't replace an EDP, but it can
pull off some things that you would need 2 EDPs & a
multi-fx box to accomplish. James is right. Because
it hasn't gone over big with guitar players, you can
find some good prices for used 2112s. The upgrade to
2120 can be had for under $100.

The most common gripes about this unit,(in no partic-
ular order) are:

1) The manual is 99% useless. (universal complaint)
2) No XLR outputs. (if you need'em, you need'em)
3) The wah doesn't sound like a Cry Baby. (it's not
   bad though)
4) It really can't nail that SRV,EVH,etc....tone.
   (I don't give a shit)
5) The seamless patch changes are not really seamless.
   (can't argue with this one)

I could go on with more of the bitchfest, but I won't.

There's a 2120 manual available for download at
http://www.digitech.com if you want to look.

I think those of you who cut your teeth looping
on stomp boxes would have a blast with this thing.
It has kept me distracted for a month now & I really
feel that I've just scratched the surface.

I'll be glad to answer any questions and will go ahead
& head off the more obvious ones...

No, it doesn't reverse delay.

Yes, you can assign tap tempo to a footswitch to set
a loop length.

No, you can't route the output of an effect back to
a prior effect.

No, it doesn't do delay spill-over, at least not in
the way that I recall dpc describing it.

I should add that I don't agree with James about
changing the delay time. Doing this on my 2120 would
destroy the loop in a way that is not pleasing to my
ears.


I'll shut up now.

John


--- James Keepnews  wrote:
> But, whatever state you're in, you might be
> interested in the
> development of Digitech's line of integrated
> processing and its loopy
> application(s). I, myself, am a proud, deliriously
> pleased user of the
> Digitech 2112 tube preamp/processor (I am,
> unfortunately, a frustrated,
> embittered user of their Control One dedicated
> footpedal/continuous
> controller, which has been repaired three times
> already and currently
> needs to go in for Round 4; my frustrations with
> this floor controller
> do not end there, but enough about me). I consider
> the plenitude of
> effects available to be generally excellent and its
> tube distortion
> even-more-than-. In its off-the-rack state, one can
> access an
> infinitely-repeatable maximum of 2.8 seconds delay
> time. However, one
> can also, for the low, discount price of $75 (less
> labor should you not
> wish to sweat the replacement yourself), upgrade the
> processor in this
> unit to the newer 2120 version of same, bringing the
> delay time up to a
> salutary maximum of 10 seconds. I would recommend
> going the 2112-to-2120
> route as it's much cheaper than getting a spanking
> new 2120 -- you
> might, for example, track down that fellow who's
> selling his
> 2112/Control One on harmony-central for $450 and
> replace the processor
> your darned self. Unlike other alleged "delay" units
> that are samplers
> in delay clothing, the Digitech unit(s) treat(s) the
> signal being
> delayed as a delayed signal, not an emulation of
> same -- changing the
> amount of time the signal delays, forexample,
> increases/decreases the
> signal's pitch accordingly. Plus which, you would be
> on the receiving
> end of all the attendant joys of 2112 ownership, not
> the least of which
> is the fielding of all those clever Alex Lifeson
> puns from rock music
> enthusiasts, of which, it turns out, there are
> many...
>
>
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> anybody, Sir!"
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>     \                 *                           --
> Krishnamurti
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>



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From: Jim Coker  (by way of Kim Flint)
Subject: Re: the albuquerque vacuum

OK, so I guess I'm making a public post, no matter what :)

For ABQ music, check the Outpost (listings are in the
weekly Alibi).  I saw Pauline Oliveros there last year.
There is also a small music group that is related to
the Outpost that seems to do really off-the-wall stuff,
but I can't remember who they were.

Check for indian (east, not native) music shows in ABQ
and SantaFe.  There seems to be *something* at least
every couple months.  SantaFe also has an electro-acoustic
music festival, which may have already happened this
year, but I'm not sure.  Drive up to there and grab
the Santa Fe Reporter and check regularly for listing.
If I remember correctly, I missed several interesting
shows this past summer while slumming it in SF.

For a *really good time* :), check out
http://mediainstitute.csf.edu/ for one of their workshops
next summer. A very interesting time. (This is highly
recommended for all loopers).  For instance, David Dunn
has created some truly twisted patches for Reaktor,
Mr. Subotnick shows some of his work (got to visit his
home studio also ;), and Steina showed some truly twised
video stuff made using a program called Image/ine (which
is esentially an amazing video looper).

Jim

Jim Coker wrote:
>
> I Sven, i live in Abq, give me a call sometime (505 341 2660).
> I'm in the middle of a big work project, and don't have much
> time for a while, but I'll be here this week.  Afternoons and
> eves are the best time to call. I'm making a public post to
> the looper list w/ places to check for music.
>
> Jim
>
> Sven Anderson wrote:
> >
> > hello
> > i just joined this looping forum and enjoy its input into my otherwise
>senseless
> > days at work.
> >
> > anyhow, i recently moved to albuquerque new mexico and have found
>myself in some
> > sort of a cultural vacuum.  despite my efforts to find electronic
>music/musique
> > concrete/looping resources, i only dig up marriachi bands and awful
>fratboyish
> > punkrock clubs.
> >
> > i must not be looking hard enough.  i have clearly been spoiled by new
>york and
> > london, with their overwhelmingly pressing event schedules.
> >
> > so, please, if anyone on this listserve knows of any interesting musical
> > happenings in the new mexico region, PLEASE tell me!  i am starving, so
>to speak.
> > and if any of you live around here and want to collaborate, (first off
>i'm a poor,
> > poor boy and have virtually no decent/useful equipment) i work mostly
>with really
> > primitive feedback loops, enjoy pre-seventies musique concrete,
>contemporary
> > krautrock and less danceable electronica, and noise/drone music.
> > thanks
> > --sven


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How much, effects wise, in the way of signal processing "modules" can you put 
in front of a 10 sec. delay module with "hold" capabilities?  On my upgraded 
2101 if I use a 5 sec. "hold" capable loop module it really limits the 
processing memory.  Still looking for an all in one processor/ looper for 
those small, "do I really need this whole rack of stuff for this particular 
gig" gigs :).  - paul

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>I'm not Graham,I'm not leaving but since the goof is blamed on him and he's
>leaving...what's up with that Dude.  Actually the Potter's are playing at
>the Women Care Center Oct 1st @ 23E.Beach in Watsonville Ca..  We are the
>the Von Potter Family Loopers,the only Accordian-Looping Family in the
>World. Papa starts,then Mama and the six children follow, no echoplex, no
>jamman, no boomerang, no gadgets...just pure accordian looping at it's
>finest. With sychonized leider-hosen.  See you all there!  Papa Dave
>

hey, thats phantastic, I thought it was a joke, sorry. Do you have a sample
for us on some site, or dont you record the "loops" either? ;-)

Matthias



         ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org


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im selling a nord lead one for around 650 or 700 please e mail me for infoo

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--- PMimlitsch@aol.com wrote:
> How much, effects wise, in the way of signal
> processing "modules" can you put 
> in front of a 10 sec. delay module with "hold"
> capabilities?

One of the 24 effects configuration "skeletons" would
allow you to have up to four different digital effects
before the 10 sec. delay/loop. Also consider that
unlike the 2101, the wah-wah on the 2120 resides in
the analogue section before the dual distortions. It
sounds a whole lot better than the limp, digital wah
on the 2101. I've had a lot of fun with a user patch
consisting of: phase shifter > tremolo > 2 sec
"analog"
delay > reverb > 10 sec delay/loop. I use midi cc to
turn individual effects on & off, alter reverb size,
alter preamp tones, etc.

You could also use a different skeleton to have a
10 sec loop feeding into a single effect. If you cut
your "big" delay requirement down to 5 sec max, you
open up even more options as more of the skeletons
become available for use.

If you're into the micro/granular looping thing you
can make this thing sing like a synthesizer.

John







===
John Tidwell



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Hi.

Just to alert you to a loop-heavy gig this thursday (23rd) in cambridge
(UK).

Full details at http://www.collective.co.uk/darkroom/


thanks,
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Os
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Curious to hear from the guitar players out there who are using the Rang
without an FX loop.  In other words, the guitar hits the Rang before it gets
to the front/preamp of an amplifier.  Any problems with noise??

MicahH


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Can any GT-3/-5 users help with some info.?

Do these babies have good old fashioned pitch shifters
as per GX-700, ME-30, ME-8.
The specs. and reviews I've seen mention "harmoniser"
but on the older systems this is used to describe the
"intellegent pitch shifters" ie key related not the
good old fashioned ones that I know and love. There
is something wonderful about playing a stock scale
pattern but having little idea of the key of the resultant
sound until you try and play along with it.
Give me pitch shifters - I ain't moving until I get pitch shifters!

Jim Carter

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> In a message dated 9/18/99 2:23:55 AM, you wrote:
> 
> < questions or responses to items that i dont remember reading the original 
> post of..........>>
> 
> Join the club - I thought it was just me :). - paul
> 
Deja Vu, I don't remember seeing the original post for this!
Isn't this just part of the getting old thing? like when
you go into a loop and can't remember why?

Jim Carter
> 

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John Tidwell wrote:

> The most common gripes about this unit,(in no partic-
> ular order) are:
>
> 1) The manual is 99% useless. (universal complaint)

Perfect -- I can't read...


> 2) No XLR outputs. (if you need'em, you need'em)

I don't "need"-need them -- maybe once Fender Vibroluxes start offering
them stock (by then, we'll all have moved to USB anyway, eh? I say,
"eh?"?)


> 3) The wah doesn't sound like a Cry Baby. (it's not
>    bad though)

I do not now, nor have I ever, hear/d a multi-fx unit convincingly
recreate a good pedal wah sound (envelope following is something else,
and lucky for us...)


> 4) It really can't nail that SRV,EVH,etc....tone.
>    (I don't give a shit)

Can't you (and/or don't you?)? Are you _not_ playing a Fender and a
Kramer simultaneouly? Seriously, the big sting on the blues and a
way-compressed tap flava aren't capable on this yhere bad boy? I wonder
-- try tweaking the amp emulators...it never occured to me to sound like
either of them...I'm shooting for that Eddie Durham sound...


> 5) The seamless patch changes are not really seamless.
>    (can't argue with this one)

They're not really abrupt, either. My main musical cohort these days
plays a half-rack Lexicon that he wishes had the smooth transition of
patches as my 2112.


> No, it doesn't reverse delay.

BUT, can cleverly emulate them with reverse reverb, which, while not the
same thing, is a, uh, different thing, and, depending on the
application, a good thing...


> No, you can't route the output of an effect back to
> a prior effect.

Yeah, true and not-so-very hype -- in fact, the fx loop on the machine
is mostly pre-fx (although not pre-lame wah!)


> No, it doesn't do delay spill-over, at least not in
> the way that I recall dpc describing it.

What is doing then to go on with the English, when they are going have
had to said "delay spill-over"? Is this a double entendre? Would you
mind terribly if I treated it as though it were one? Hey, ya mook, I got
your "delay spill-over" right here! Ha ha ha ha ha
ha...ahhhhh...heh...Care to hear my stab at "dpc"? Yes? Hello? Operator?



> I should add that I don't agree with James about
> changing the delay time. Doing this on my 2120 would
> destroy the loop in a way that is not pleasing to my
> ears.

Mindful of the foregoing, I should remind John, as with all subscribers
to this list, to avoid my performances with something approaching the
zeal of the newly converted...


> I'll shut up now.

I'm such a follower...

But, in conclusion, I'm glad to hear the 2120 carries more loop mojo
than I thought --  I'm making the upgrade ASAP. Now, can one of you spot
me three bills?

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**** For immediate Release ****

Jonathan Matis and David Baker

at Tin Angel, 20 S. 2nd Street
Philadelphia, PA

Wednesday, Sept. 22
8 pm
as part of the Philadelphia Fringe Festival

Experimental Free Improv almost ambient music for =
electric guitar and saxophone.  =

Also featuring: =
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Jon Stroop, percussion

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Micah,
	I'm running mine in a pedalboard before two amps. No noise problems
here--unless I have it switched wrong or have the input rolled too high, of
course. Actually, I'm even running a Whammy pedal and a distortion before
the 'rang.
Hope this helps a bit.
Jeff McLeod

At 03:32 AM 9/20/1999 -0500, you wrote:
>Curious to hear from the guitar players out there who are using the Rang
>without an FX loop.  In other words, the guitar hits the Rang before it gets
>to the front/preamp of an amplifier.  Any problems with noise??
>
>MicahH
>
>
>
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Wow...for once, I am not the "Micah" listed....

	Micah


> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Jeff & Vonda McLeod [SMTP:subversive@mindspring.com]
> Sent:	Monday, September 20, 1999 6:32 AM
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> Subject:	Re: Boomerang and guitar
> 
> Micah,
> 	I'm running mine in a pedalboard before two amps. No noise problems
> here--unless I have it switched wrong or have the input rolled too high,
> of
> course. Actually, I'm even running a Whammy pedal and a distortion before
> the 'rang.
> Hope this helps a bit.
> Jeff McLeod
> 
> At 03:32 AM 9/20/1999 -0500, you wrote:
> >Curious to hear from the guitar players out there who are using the Rang
> >without an FX loop.  In other words, the guitar hits the Rang before it
> gets
> >to the front/preamp of an amplifier.  Any problems with noise??
> >
> >MicahH
> >
> >
> >
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Do NOT e-mail ME about these please--I don't know the seller





spotted on Analog Heaven--seem like decent prices       TL

Date: Sun, 19 Sep 1999 14:44:32 -0700 (PDT)
From: Jacob Anderson 
Subject: [AH] FS: Vortex, Juno 6, TX16W, delays, etc.

* Lexicon Vortex, footswitch, manual, works fine, a few scratches on the
bottom but looks fine otherwise, $150

* Roland Juno 6, for sale in Orange County CA area only, a couple slider
caps missing and note-letter stickers on the keys, $175 and you get a free
Hammond Auto-Vari 64 drum machine thrown in if you want.

* Yamaha TX16W sampler, with some analogue sample disks included, $160.

* Electro-Harmonix Memory Man, analog delay/chorus, in nice shape $85.

* Ibanez DM1000 d-g-t-l delay rack unit, modulation etc., $75

* Digitech RDS8000 Time Machine d-g-t-l delay, 8 seconds of
looping/delay, $150.

more stuff coming soon--
- --Jake (who got a Yamaha Pianica today and found himself enjoying it a lot
more than his expensive toys!)



Tom Lambrecht
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Hi !

    My name is Lionel "THE K" Hubert, i'm from France, so excuse my bad
english.

I'm a guitarist for many years and a loop user, with my guitar I construct
loop with different technique  :

first I use long delay, mainly for live performance, but my principal
technique is to use effect and dynamic processing (gate for exemple) and
then edit the loop in my computer.
I really like to record a riff and deconstruct it in my software.
If you like to hear some examples please go to to my home page
http://www.freesurf.com/kalikay

There is mp3 loops to download.

I will be back on the list Soon

GOOD LOOPING

THE K

-- kalikay entertainment
**************************
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Using a Rang,  a guitar, an amp and maybe a few extras(electric drill,
chains, hammers etc) I have no problem making noise.

Colin | niloC


>Curious to hear from the guitar players out there who are using the Rang
>without an FX loop.  In other words, the guitar hits the Rang before it
gets
>to the front/preamp of an amplifier.  Any problems with noise??
>
>MicahH
>
>
>

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Yep... basic parallel 1 or 2 voice, as well as intelligent. There's
also a user scale section where you can write 16 (or is it more?) of
your own creations. I've done a couple which weren't that good and
plan to take another stab at it in the near future.

Miko Biffle                                    "Running scared from
all the usual distractions..."
mbiffle@svg.com

>>> JF Carter  09/20 4:32 AM >>>

Can any GT-3/-5 users help with some info.?

Do these babies have good old fashioned pitch shifters
as per GX-700, ME-30, ME-8.
The specs. and reviews I've seen mention "harmoniser"
but on the older systems this is used to describe the
"intellegent pitch shifters" ie key related not the
good old fashioned ones that I know and love. There
is something wonderful about playing a stock scale
pattern but having little idea of the key of the resultant
sound until you try and play along with it.
Give me pitch shifters - I ain't moving until I get pitch shifters!

Jim Carter

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Hey !
Have you seen the KARLETTE plug in for Cubase VST, it's a Tape loop delay
simulator and it's great.
Take a look at http://www.steinberg.net, it's free

THE K

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At 03:32 AM 9/20/99 -0500, you wrote:
>Curious to hear from the guitar players out there who are using the Rang
>without an FX loop.  In other words, the guitar hits the Rang before it gets
>to the front/preamp of an amplifier.  Any problems with noise??
>
>MicahH
>

I use it w/ violin & cello usually before the effects chain and have had no
problems with noise provided I set the recording gain & the loop output
volume correctly.  Seeing as a guitar pickup (electric anyways) has a
hotter output than the piezo pickups that I use on my instruments, you
should have no problems if you set the record gain appropriately for your
instrument.


Lorren Stafford
Richard For Cerebellum/A Most Happy Sound
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http://www.futureperfect.org/art/happy.html

"We ask ourselves whether truly this is the beginning 
of a new world or whether perhaps the world...is about
to perish.  There are people who earnestly and seriously
fear this, where music becomes the slave of the machine..."

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Hello,

	I run a line out from my power amp and the boomerang is noisy for me
if I don't keep the trim knob down below 0db (center)and set the output to
line out (because I run into an amp). I can't run the guitar into the rang
and then into my preamp because it overloads my guitar signal.SO I run my
guitar into my preamp f/x's, hushIIcx,exciter,etc.. into the poweramp for my
main cabs and use line outs into the boomerang. The output of the rang runs
into a sholts rockman chorus (to get stero signal) into an ada stereo
poweramp into 2 2x12 cabs as well.The line out works best for me anyway. 
Denis

Subject: Re: Boomerang and guitar


Uthe guitar hits the Rang before it
gets
>to the front/preamp of an amplifier.  Any problems with noise??
>
>MicahH
>
>
>

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What kind of amp do you use???????

" I use it w/ violin & cello usually before the effects chain and have had
no
problems with noise provided I set the recording gain & the loop output
volume correctly.  Seeing as a guitar pickup (electric anyways) has a
hotter output than the piezo pickups that I use on my instruments, you
should have no problems if you set the record gain appropriately for your
instrument."


Lorren Stafford
Richard For Cerebellum/A Most Happy Sound

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Now them's my kinda ideers!

Poppin' the top off a Kiwi 20/20,
Shorty

----- Original Message -----
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> hello loopers
>     for those of us who can't run out and buy all the new fx processors
> available...
>     i was visited by a revelation last night.  and honestly it isn't very
> significant.  but it really does sound cool.  take microphones (cheapies
that you
> don't care about) and push them up against things that move.  like
reel-to-reels.
> leave them there.  listen to the nice beats and loopy things this produces.
if you
> do it right, and the microphone is slightly offset each time the machine
goes
> through a cycle of motion, the sound loop morphs very slowly into different
timbral
> bits.  its pretty much the same as micing machines, but here the microphone
becomes
> involved in the sound production in a more instrumental fashion.
>
> also.  another good one. discovered one night in boston while listening to
porter
> ricks very loud after lots of cheap wine.
>     play minimal techno/beat oriented music very loud in a cluttered room.
then
> wander around and listen closely to all of the objects on your walls,
tables, etc.
> as they vibrate in different ways.  and then (this is the hard part) attempt
to mic
> these little vibrations in such a way as to maximize their dynamics and
minimize
> the actual music's presence on your recording.  trying to record vibrations
like
> this usually (for me) ends up producing very fluid, natural rhythms that are
more
> complex than basic thumpings.
> sorry, these ideas are really quite silly and mundane, but i felt like
typing a bit
> and therefore decided to subject you all to my ramblings.
> --sven
>
>


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hello loopers
    for those of us who can't run out and buy all the new fx processors
available...
    i was visited by a revelation last night.  and honestly it isn't very
significant.  but it really does sound cool.  take microphones (cheapies that you
don't care about) and push them up against things that move.  like reel-to-reels.
leave them there.  listen to the nice beats and loopy things this produces.  if you
do it right, and the microphone is slightly offset each time the machine goes
through a cycle of motion, the sound loop morphs very slowly into different timbral
bits.  its pretty much the same as micing machines, but here the microphone becomes
involved in the sound production in a more instrumental fashion.

also.  another good one. discovered one night in boston while listening to porter
ricks very loud after lots of cheap wine.
    play minimal techno/beat oriented music very loud in a cluttered room.  then
wander around and listen closely to all of the objects on your walls, tables, etc.
as they vibrate in different ways.  and then (this is the hard part) attempt to mic
these little vibrations in such a way as to maximize their dynamics and minimize
the actual music's presence on your recording.  trying to record vibrations like
this usually (for me) ends up producing very fluid, natural rhythms that are more
complex than basic thumpings.
sorry, these ideas are really quite silly and mundane, but i felt like typing a bit
and therefore decided to subject you all to my ramblings.
--sven

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>also.  another good one. discovered one night in boston while listening to
porter
>ricks very loud after lots of cheap wine.
>    play minimal techno/beat oriented music very loud in a cluttered room.
then
>wander around and listen closely to all of the objects on your walls,
tables, etc.
>as they vibrate in different ways.  and then (this is the hard part)
attempt to mic
>these little vibrations in such a way as to maximize their dynamics and
minimize
>the actual music's presence on your recording.  trying to record vibrations
like
>this usually (for me) ends up producing very fluid, natural rhythms that
are more
>complex than basic thumpings.

How about starting with an uncluttered room, and bringing in the toys, one
by one?
Cut everything but the >deep< bass (The important part  for wobbling things
anyway) on the music you are playing back. Record the found sounds, and cut
the bass (there wouldn't be any coming from your new toys).

Then (and this is the important part) save as a zip file and send the new
loops/instrument samples as an attachment to jonathan@full-moon.com

:>

bIz

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Great ideas!

>    play minimal techno/beat oriented music very loud in a cluttered room.
then
>wander around and listen closely to all of the objects on your walls,
tables, etc.
>as they vibrate in different ways.  and then (this is the hard part)
attempt to mic
>these little vibrations in such a way as to maximize their dynamics and
minimize
>the actual music's presence on your recording.  trying to record vibrations
like
>this usually (for me) ends up producing very fluid, natural rhythms that
are more
>complex than basic thumpings.

I'd try a wireless contact mic.  Placement is tricky but great isolation!

Dennis Leas
-----------------------------
dennis@mdbs.com


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and it can become a quasi-looping tool with Audiomulch....

ciao
leo


At 19.17 20/09/99 +0200, you wrote:
>Hey !
>Have you seen the KARLETTE plug in for Cubase VST, it's a Tape loop delay
>simulator and it's great.
>Take a look at http://www.steinberg.net, it's free
>
>THE K
>
>
>

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Sven Anderson wrote:

> ... then
> wander around and listen closely to all of the objects on your walls, tables, etc.
> as they vibrate in different ways.  and then (this is the hard part) attempt to mic
> these little vibrations in such a way as to maximize their dynamics and minimize
> the actual music's presence on your recording.  trying to record vibrations like
> this usually (for me) ends up producing very fluid, natural rhythms that are more
> complex than basic thumpings...

this reminds me of sitting around after class with my high school music department's
arp odyssey blowing through some massive ev speakers (with the aid of certain
supplements...); determining the resonant frequencies of all objects in the room.
buzzzz...


lance g.


ps
anyone out there play around with hinges? really squeaky ones on light weight doors
that can be moved fairly rapidly (like those found on cheap tract home cabinets) can
produce some nice unusual textures (and you don't have to order them through
musician's fiend)...



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i was playing around and came across something neat. i have a wide ring on
my pinky ring. if you play your strings hiting them (mostly with the ring)
while muting them you get a really cool scary movie sound.



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One of the nice things about the Boomer is your dry signal passes through 
unaltered, unless you pop the THRU MUTE switch, of course.  So the Rang is 
unobtrusive to your basic sound, unlike the Jam Man or RDS, etc. which 
requires a certain "Mix" setting to feature your straight guitar signal.

In addtition to the handy foot roller for loop output, there is a rather 
flexible single input/output pot that is quite variable, and an accompanying 
Mic/Line/Instr. level switch. It can be easy to inadvertantly have a hissy 
fit situation if that pot (on the back) gets brushed in transit, but it 
allows for correct in/out balance in plenty of places in the signal chain.

The Rang is great for guitar when you don't to think much about looping. I 
always have it at the ready, even during pop songs, and has I find new sounds 
and phrases, I can 'rang 'em without hardly thinking about it, and then 
towards the end of a tune I can loop it back and tweak to taste (1/2 spd or 
2X, reverse, stutter, etc.

Very much in the spirit of the old EH 16 delay...

eric p
echo park
<< 
 >Curious to hear from the guitar players out there who are using the Rang
 >without an FX loop.  In other words, the guitar hits the Rang before it
 gets
 >to the front/preamp of an amplifier.  Any problems with noise??
 >
 >MicahH >>

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Never have used the'Rang,but anyone out there still using "the old EH 16 
delay" like I still am...?There will never be a unit as wacky AND musical
ever again-I cherish it dearly/along w/ the foot pedal of
course...deepinthereverbtank...stanner...

----------
>From: Echopark99@aol.com
>To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
>Subject: Re: Boomerang and guitar
>Date: Mon, Sep 20, 1999, 5:32 PM
>

>
>
> One of the nice things about the Boomer is your dry signal passes through
> unaltered, unless you pop the THRU MUTE switch, of course.  So the Rang is
> unobtrusive to your basic sound, unlike the Jam Man or RDS, etc. which
> requires a certain "Mix" setting to feature your straight guitar signal.
>
> In addtition to the handy foot roller for loop output, there is a rather
> flexible single input/output pot that is quite variable, and an accompanying
> Mic/Line/Instr. level switch. It can be easy to inadvertantly have a hissy
> fit situation if that pot (on the back) gets brushed in transit, but it
> allows for correct in/out balance in plenty of places in the signal chain.
>
> The Rang is great for guitar when you don't to think much about looping. I
> always have it at the ready, even during pop songs, and has I find new sounds
> and phrases, I can 'rang 'em without hardly thinking about it, and then
> towards the end of a tune I can loop it back and tweak to taste (1/2 spd or
> 2X, reverse, stutter, etc.
>
> Very much in the spirit of the old EH 16 delay...
>
> eric p
> echo park
> <<
>  >Curious to hear from the guitar players out there who are using the Rang
>  >without an FX loop.  In other words, the guitar hits the Rang before it
>  gets
>  >to the front/preamp of an amplifier.  Any problems with noise??
>  >
>  >MicahH >>
>
> 

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they are going to reissue it any day now....no....really. =-) PJ

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Howdy :

Colin Jenkinson here, I sent out a couple of loopy thangs in the mail:
Experience Cloud(Solo Chapman stick with Volume pedal, Boss DD5, Ebow and
Pluged-in -backwards wah-wah pedal), and "Let Me Down Easy" a hypnosis tape
for breast feeding my wife made( the background music is the first track  of
Experience Cloud).

Colin Jenkinson | nosnikneJ niloC
-----Original Message-----
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>FNGP is happy to announce the next project on board for FingerPaint. We are
>looking for sonic contributions from list members to be used at our
>discretion for our CD release "Loop This!" The loops can be ambient swirly
>material, bass lines, drum loops, rhythm tracks, vocal lines, samples,
>melodies, anything....it is up to the contributor. (All loops should
>contain only material created by the contributor, with sample clearance for
>our use.)
>
>Why are we doing this? It is a common notion that randomness is an
>indispensable ingredient of creative acts. In FingerPaint we begin our
>pieces by improvising loop(s). We use multiple JAM MEN, ECHPLEXI, &
>DIGITECH TIME MACHINES as well as multiple effects boxes and synths to
>create our loops. Then we play with this material and see what develops.
>Since distance and budgetary constraints prevent us from inviting other
>loopers directly into our studio, we are exploring this avenue as a way to
>begin working with other musicians. "Loop This!" will be released under the
>name of the FingerPaint Collective.
>
>IF we use your material, you will be fully credited on the CD, our web site
>and anywhere else we can infiltrate. Our two previous CD releases have
>generated several reviews and air play round the world. Also any one who's
>material makes it on the CD will receive 5 CD's to keep for the
>grandchildren.... When this project becomes financially solvent royalties
>will be paid out in accordance with the number of participants.
>
>Eventually we my be doing this with MP3 files posted directly to our site.
>A remix of this project is also possible. Let's explore.
>
>Send your material on DAT or CD to:
>
>FNGP
>PO BOX 5364
>Takoma Park, MD
>20913
>
>Peace,
>
>Patrick
>                     Fingerpaint's New Release:
>
>                            IN THE LOOP
>
>      ... an intelligent, stimulating mixture of mimimaist spacebeats and
>           obscure samples layered upon a hypnotic illbient backdrop.
>
>                       DIGITAL ARTIFACT # 12
>
>                      http://www.fingerpaint.net
>
>

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O Sainted Loopers! I am bathed in your multitude of responses, and I am
submerged!
O, the generosity!
O, the great good humour!
O, the fires that were started!
O, the girls with no regrets!
Douglas Baldwin, Alpha male Coyote, the Trickster
dbaldwin@suffolk.lib.ny.us

P.S. Anybody got a bead on a GT-3 user's group/newsgroup?
O, the addiction!

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-----Original Message-----
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>In a message dated 9/16/99 2:21:56 PM, dbaldwin@suffolk.lib.ny.us writes:
>
>>Hey gang! I am totally jazzed up on the Boss GT-3...[snip}
>
>How many seconds/milliseconds of delay does it have?

It actually has two delays, totally independent of each other. One is
1800ms, the other is 400ms. Not enough for loooonnnngggg loops, but can you
say "flexible"? I'm looking at it more as a sound-shaping tool, and using my
Headrush for actual looping.
Douglas Baldwin, Alpha male Coyote, the Trickster
dbaldwin@suffolk.lib.ny.us

>

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--- lance glover  wrote:
> ps
> anyone out there play around with hinges? really
> squeaky ones on light weight doors
> that can be moved fairly rapidly (like those found
> on cheap tract home cabinets) can
> produce some nice unusual textures (and you don't
> have to order them through
> musician's fiend)...

Yeah, I did that once, but I tried to get a long,
consistent groan out of them (heavy door too).  I
multitracked a bunch of them and cut EQ in and out (on
a parametric) on different tracks panned different
ways and got some cool stuff.  It really makes things
jump out.

---Ryan Novak
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Dahlinks:

Best price I've seen, ever, on the Digitech 2112:

GSP2112SE $350.00

This may be seen at http://www.sounddeals.com/specials.html. Add $75 +
labor for the upgrade and they's your 2120, with more 10-second loop
opportunities this side of the radio advertising industry. Go on & git
it.

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Sorry, meant to send privately:
-----Original Message-----
From: Jean or Colin Jenkinson 
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com 
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>Howdy :
>
>Colin Jenkinson here, I sent out a couple of loopy thangs in the mail:
>Experience Cloud(Solo Chapman stick with Volume pedal, Boss DD5, Ebow and
etc


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> Never have used the'Rang,but anyone out there still using "the old EH 16 
> delay" like I still am...?There will never be a unit as wacky AND musical
> ever again-I cherish it dearly/along w/ the foot pedal of
> course...deepinthereverbtank...stanner...
> 
> 
	** yep, love it.

	stig 

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There's a GT-5 list at onelist.com as well as a couple web sites.
There were actually people converting GX-700 patches to GT-5, so I'd
bet there are now people translating GT-5 to GT-3. Maybe they've even
dedicated the list to both units... It's been awhile since I've
actually read the list but I found lots of useful stuff there. I've
attached the URL's.

Miko Biffle                                    "Running scared from
all the usual distractions..."
mbiffle@svg.com

>>> "K. Douglas Baldwin"  09/21 10:54 AM
>>>
O Sainted Loopers! I am bathed in your multitude of responses, and I
am
submerged!

P.S. Anybody got a bead on a GT-3 user's group/newsgroup?
O, the addiction!


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Ryan Novak wrote:

> --- lance glover  wrote:
> > ps
> > anyone out there play around with hinges? really
> > squeaky ones on light weight doors
> > that can be moved fairly rapidly (like those found
> > on cheap tract home cabinets) can
> > produce some nice unusual textures (and you don't
> > have to order them through
> > musician's fiend)...
>

for some quality door/hinge noises, check out "Variations on a Door and
a Sigh" by Piere Henry (1963).  it's intention seems more to demonstrate
the similar expressiveness between human sounds (the sigh) and everyday
environmental sounds (the door).  i think.  not looping music at all,
except that it's by henry, one of the founders of musique concrete,
which i suppose (besides the italian futurists in the 20s) is the
foundation of loop music.  anyway, just wander into any university
librarary and listen to it there, cause you won't find it anywhere else.

--sven

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In a message dated 9/21/99 4:00:38 AM, PJBMHB@aol.com writes:

>they are going to reissue it any day now....no....really. =-) PJ
>


Latest word to me from Mike M. - over a year away...   back to the Rang.

eric p
echo park

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yes I've encountered much the same with "wind in e flatulent" from the
composer flatus. 

 -DT


for some quality door/hinge noises, check out "Variations on a Door and
a Sigh" by Piere Henry (1963).  

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I'd suggest checking the finer record stores in your area.  It's one of his
most famous pieces thus it's on about two or three cds that various labels
put out.


>  just wander into any university
> librarary and listen to it there, cause you won't find it anywhere else.
>
> --sven

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I've done this to replicate earthquake sounds. Not so much the quake itself, 
but everything in a house reacting to it. My house seems to have a "sweet 
spot" around 16 Hz.

Access to a servo-driven sub woofer helps. Put it in another room and dial in 
subsonic tones from a tone generator (8-22 Hz capable) . Modulate to taste. 
Windows love it. Sheetmetal filing cabinets  dance with fear. Not recommended 
for apartment dwellers.

eric p
echo park



In a message dated 9/20/99 2:00:39 PM, jbiz@linkexchange.com writes:

How about starting with an uncluttered room, and bringing in the toys,
>one
>by one?
>Cut everything but the >deep< bass (The important part  for wobbling things
>anyway) on the music you are playing back. Record the found sounds, and
>cut
>the bass (there wouldn't be any coming from your new toys).
>

>>wander around and listen closely to all of the objects on your walls,
>tables, etc.
>>as they vibrate in different ways.  and then (this is the hard part)
>attempt to mic
>>these little vibrations in such a way as to maximize their dynamics and
>minimize
>>the actual music's presence on your recording.  trying to record vibrations
>like
>>this usually (for me) ends up producing very fluid, natural rhythms that
>are more
>>complex than basic thumpings.
>
>

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>for some quality door/hinge noises, check out "Variations on a Door and
>a Sigh" by Piere Henry (1963).  it's intention seems more to demonstrate
>the similar expressiveness between human sounds (the sigh) and everyday
>environmental sounds (the door).  i think.  not looping music at all,
>except that it's by henry, one of the founders of musique concrete,
>which i suppose (besides the italian futurists in the 20s) is the
>foundation of loop music.  anyway, just wander into any university
>librarary and listen to it there, cause you won't find it anywhere else.
>
>--sven

This is a great piece, a real classic & highly recommended!  My CD is from
the French Harmonia Mundi label, catalog number HMC 905200....

David Myers


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Hi -

I'm getting no digest at either of the accounts that are subscribed (I
subscribe from a web account as well so I can send from there.)

PS:  Any word on a due date for the Echoplex?  I'm going to be (finally) flush
enough to buy a looper within the next month, and if there is no EDP to be seen
on the horizon, I just may have to buy a Boomerang or some other looper to keep
me busy...

MT
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Stan Card wrote:
> 
> Never have used the'Rang,but anyone out there still using "the old EH 16
> delay" like I still am...?There will never be a unit as wacky AND musical
> ever again-I cherish it dearly/along w/ the foot pedal of
> course...deepinthereverbtank...stanner...
> 
Use it all the time.  My favorite looping device.

John McIntyre
Physics - Astronomy Domine Dept
Michigan State University
mcintyre@pa.msu.edu

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Hi gang!

Did any of youse attend this years Burning Man festival? A key playing friend of mine returned and is now raving about all the techo-electronic music he saw and is trying to get me into his game plan for next year... While I'm very interested, I was initially very worried about dust and dirt in very expensive equipment. Also noisy generators etc. I'd love to discuss all of this as well as the potential for some possible collaboration at next years event with any of you.

Miko Biffle                                    "Running scared from all the usual distractions..."
mbiffle@svg.com

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Miko,
	I didn't get to attend, but I do know someone who did. I heard that this
year's was pretty huge attendance-wise--more so that in the past. From
riding dead horses to destroying tanks and armored vehicles with various
other dead animals. Sounds pretty damned crazy. I would love to play there
(with some dust covers, of course...).
Jeff McLeod

At 10:57 AM 9/22/1999 -0700, you wrote:
>Hi gang!
>
>Did any of youse attend this years Burning Man festival? A key playing
friend of mine returned and is now raving about all the techo-electronic
music he saw and is trying to get me into his game plan for next year...
While I'm very interested, I was initially very worried about dust and dirt
in very expensive equipment. Also noisy generators etc. I'd love to discuss
all of this as well as the potential for some possible collaboration at
next years event with any of you.
>
>Miko Biffle                                    "Running scared from all
the usual distractions..."
>mbiffle@svg.com
>
>
__________________________________________
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And now is almost over... 
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Hi Jeff,

I'm beggining some discussions concerning the dust control. Maybe
shrink wrap a GT-5 and leave only holes for cable jacks? Take a tiny 2
space rack for an EDP and Vortex and maybe also a Yamaha QY-70? I've
heard there are *plenty* of stages which were not in use a fair
portion of the time. I'm going to post a few messages to the Burning
Man bulletin board and see if I can make contact with any stage
managers or owners... I found a tabla player who'd love to meet and
jam next year. My keyboard playing friend has light show multi-media
types who are trying to figure out how to do that there as well. 

Miko Biffle                                    "Running scared from
all the usual distractions..."
mbiffle@svg.com

>>> Jeff & Vonda McLeod  09/22 11:55 AM
>>>
Miko,
	I didn't get to attend, but I do know someone who did. I heard
that this
year's was pretty huge attendance-wise--more so that in the past.
From
riding dead horses to destroying tanks and armored vehicles with
various
other dead animals. Sounds pretty damned crazy. I would love to play
there
(with some dust covers, of course...).
Jeff McLeod

At 10:57 AM 9/22/1999 -0700, you wrote:
>Hi gang!
>
>Did any of youse attend this years Burning Man festival? A key
playing
friend of mine returned and is now raving about all the
techo-electronic
music he saw and is trying to get me into his game plan for next
year...
While I'm very interested, I was initially very worried about dust
and dirt
in very expensive equipment. Also noisy generators etc. I'd love to
discuss
all of this as well as the potential for some possible collaboration
at
next years event with any of you.
>
>Miko Biffle                                    "Running scared from
all
the usual distractions..."
>mbiffle@svg.com 
>
>
__________________________________________
This is not here--
And now is almost over... 
http://members.xoom.com/Gezoleen/ 
http://members.xoom.com/edkempertrio/ 

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Hey Mike and others,

I'll be following with great interest. Dust/sand can definitely be an issue, 
my pals told of significant ongoing winds this year and even sandstorms - 
yikes!  Anyway. I've been wanting to tote a simple loop rig up there the last 
couple years, but alas, it's always something. This year a paying gig at the 
beautiful Ford Amphitheatre in the Hollywood Hills lured me away. And of 
course, every year everybody says, "This might be the last Burning Man".  
Each year does not fail to return extended stories of great awe and 
inspiration, so we'd be chumps not to go next year...  My friends built a 
dark lounge for refuge from the sun, featuring ambient and other music this 
year, so I would bet that may be part of the plan for next year.  Very 
conducive to hypnotic loopies. Meeting and planning starts around 
March/April. 

Staying tuned,
eric p
echo park

In a message dated 9/22/99 12:31:48 PM, mbiffle@svg.com writes:

>
>I'm beggining some discussions concerning the dust control. Maybe
>shrink wrap a GT-5 and leave only holes for cable jacks? Take a tiny 2
>space rack for an EDP and Vortex and maybe also a Yamaha QY-70? I've
>heard there are *plenty* of stages which were not in use a fair
>portion of the time. I'm going to post a few messages to the Burning
>Man bulletin board and see if I can make contact with any stage
>managers or owners... I found a tabla player who'd love to meet and
>jam next year. My keyboard playing friend has light show multi-media
>types who are trying to figure out how to do that there as well. 
>

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I'll keep you in a Burning Man email list so I can be sure we can talk
later about our respective plans!

Miko Biffle                                    "Running scared from
all the usual distractions..."
mbiffle@svg.com

>>>  09/22 1:46 PM >>>
Hey Mike and others,

I'll be following with great interest. Dust/sand can definitely be an
issue, 
my pals told of significant ongoing winds this year and even
sandstorms - 
yikes!  Anyway. I've been wanting to tote a simple loop rig up there
the last 
couple years, but alas, it's always something. This year a paying gig
at the 
beautiful Ford Amphitheatre in the Hollywood Hills lured me away. And
of 
course, every year everybody says, "This might be the last Burning
Man".  
Each year does not fail to return extended stories of great awe and 
inspiration, so we'd be chumps not to go next year...  My friends
built a 
dark lounge for refuge from the sun, featuring ambient and other
music this 
year, so I would bet that may be part of the plan for next year. 
Very 
conducive to hypnotic loopies. Meeting and planning starts around 
March/April. 

Staying tuned,
eric p
echo park

In a message dated 9/22/99 12:31:48 PM, mbiffle@svg.com writes:

>
>I'm beggining some discussions concerning the dust control. Maybe
>shrink wrap a GT-5 and leave only holes for cable jacks? Take a tiny
2
>space rack for an EDP and Vortex and maybe also a Yamaha QY-70?
I've
>heard there are *plenty* of stages which were not in use a fair
>portion of the time. I'm going to post a few messages to the
Burning
>Man bulletin board and see if I can make contact with any stage
>managers or owners... I found a tabla player who'd love to meet and
>jam next year. My keyboard playing friend has light show
multi-media
>types who are trying to figure out how to do that there as well. 
>

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I've not been to Burning Man, though I've heard from friends about all of
it.  Besides the dust and dirt, I think the only thing I'd be concerned with
would have to do with some yahoo getting it into his head that I "wasn't
participating enough," (read, "wasn't like him/her") and getting on my case
forever about it.  I understand this aspect to be a proud one of the Burning
Man environment, which I suppose is necessary for regular folks who would
otherwise just be home watching TV, but would no doubt inspire me to modes
of seething fury I've not encountered before.

And the dust and dirt too.  Perhaps someday when I have a car that can
survive the trip, so I can leave when I'm done with it.

This brings up an aspect of gigging that others no doubt have encountered
with open-ended, free-form environments like Burning Man: When Does One
Leave?  When you've had enough?  When your part of "the gig" is over?  When
they start throwing fruit?

I've been going to an event that pre-dates Burning Man, if not also the
Rave-as-concept, for nearly nine years (see the Studios site about "Songs
from a Tunnel" at http://www.earthlight.net/Studios.html) - this was
primarily a Drum Circle kind of event in the beginning, and evolved into a
multi-instrument event, which changes each year I go.  The acoustics are
weird and wonderful.  One year, a fellow brought a deep saxophone, and
played it from one end of the tunnel; and, at the other end, I accompanied
on eBow-acoustic guitar, muttering "I've got a thing about chickens,"
between riffs.  It's never gone more than one night, I've always been up all
night for it, and just headed home in the morning after someone makes
coffee.  In addition I must say that I learned playing in front of people
(gasp!) up at this venue, and always look for an opportunity to go, fire
permitting.  (Right now there's a fire at the bottom of Schumaker
Canyon/East Fork, and if it denudes the entire countryside, there won't be
any warnings about campfires, since there won't be anything left to burn!)

Stephen Goodman       * It's the free Loop Of The Week!
EarthLight Productions * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios.html
*
(Hear the NEW "Star Spangled Banner" here!)

----- Original Message -----
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Subject: Burning Man anyone?


> Hi gang!
>
> Did any of youse attend this years Burning Man festival? A key playing
friend of mine returned and is now raving about all the techo-electronic
music he saw and is trying to get me into his game plan for next year...
While I'm very interested, I was initially very worried about dust and dirt
in very expensive equipment. Also noisy generators etc. I'd love to discuss
all of this as well as the potential for some possible collaboration at next
years event with any of you.
>
> Miko Biffle                                    "Running scared from all
the usual distractions..."
> mbiffle@svg.com
>

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Hi loopers,

I'll be playing at the Chapters Rideau bookstore in Ottawa, Canada this
Friday,
September 24 from 8:00 to 10:00 PM.

I'll be doing originals and covers (Piazzolla, Bach, Schubert, Telemann,
Gentle Giant, Lennon-McCartney, Santana) arranged for Chapman Stick and
loops. You can visit http://www.geocities.com/fabiokatz to listen to
some sample songs.

Chapters Rideau is located at 47 Rideau Street, in the market area.
http://www.chaptersglobe.com/Stores/Store.asp?STOREID=2150

Chapman Stick:  invented in the early seventies by Emmet Chapman in
California, a 12-string instrument played by tapping independently with
each hand.  Visit Stick Enterprises at  http://www.stick.com for more
details on the Stick.

Hope to see you there!

Fabio Katz
http://www.geocities.com/fabiokatz
mailto:fabiok@home.com
#1344 6+6 Standard Tuning Grand Stick with MIDI
Oberheim Echoplex

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In a message dated 9/22/99 5:04:57 PM Mid-Atlantic Daylight Time, 
mbiffle@svg.com writes:

<< I'd love to discuss all of this as well as the potential for some possible 
collaboration at next years event with any of you. >>

i recall last year someone posted the burning man web site address....im 
sorry that i dont have it.....it was a fun read........miko, sign me up, im 
ready..........michael

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Miko et. Loopers:

I've been intrigued by this event for some time and even though it sounds
like it may have lost some of it's "innocence" , I'd love to loop it . . .

put me down for a couple of didgs, a PDS 8000, Zoom 2100 and a couple of
other whacko pedals . . . maybe a battery-powered Korg keyboard

need a big-ass PA   ;)
Tom Lambrecht


hideo@concentric.net
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>I'll keep you in a Burning Man email list so I can be sure we can talk
>later about our respective plans!
>
>Miko Biffle                                    "Running scared from
>all the usual distractions..."
>mbiffle@svg.com
>
>>>>  09/22 1:46 PM >>>
>Hey Mike and others,
>
>I'll be following with great interest. Dust/sand can definitely be an
>issue,
>my pals told of significant ongoing winds this year and even
>sandstorms -


SNIP

>

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Do you work for Boomerang?  I'd really rather have an EDP, but it's been
promised for many months now, and I'm giving up hope.

I assume you like your boomerang, anyway. ...

The thing is, I'd like to be able to store and trigger differnet loops,
which, from what I know of the Boomerang, is not possible.

PS:  It really amazes me that Oberheim can drag their collective tail to
the extent that some hundred or so prospective buyers ( at $600 each w/
pedal for a total of $60,000 ) are going to have to go with their 2nd
choice when they already have the plans and means to manufacture the
device.   Maybe that's small change, or maybe they should just pass the
right over to someone like Kim or Mattheus, who would probably be hapy for
the customers....






>In a message dated 9/22/99 4:10:01 PM Mid-Atlantic Daylight Time,
>ylpunk@yahoo.com writes:
>
><<  I'm going to be (finally) flush
> enough to buy a looper within the next month, and if there is no EDP to be
>seen
> on the horizon, I just may have to buy a Boomerang  >>
>
>this seems to be a great idea........and by the time you save enough to buy
>the EDP it should be out and you will have had many, many hours of looping
>joy with the rang.........michael

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HOWDY

Colin Jenkinson here, I'm interested.

Colin Jenkinson | nonikneJ niloC -Chapman Stick, Loops, and microtonality
-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Biffle 
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com ;
subversive@mindspring.com 
Date: Wednesday, September 22, 1999 1:18 PM
Subject: Re: Burning Man anyone?


>Hi Jeff,
>
>I'm beggining some discussions concerning the dust control. Maybe
>shrink wrap a GT-5 and leave only holes for cable jacks? Take a tiny 2
>space rack for an EDP and Vortex and maybe also a Yamaha QY-70? I've
>heard there are *plenty* of stages which were not in use a fair
>portion of the time. I'm going to post a few messages to the Burning
>Man bulletin board and see if I can make contact with any stage
>managers or owners... I found a tabla player who'd love to meet and
>jam next year. My keyboard playing friend has light show multi-media
>types who are trying to figure out how to do that there as well.
>
>Miko Biffle                                    "Running scared from
>all the usual distractions..."
>mbiffle@svg.com
>
>>>> Jeff & Vonda McLeod  09/22 11:55 AM
>>>>
>Miko,
> I didn't get to attend, but I do know someone who did. I heard
>that this
>year's was pretty huge attendance-wise--more so that in the past.
>From
>riding dead horses to destroying tanks and armored vehicles with
>various
>other dead animals. Sounds pretty damned crazy. I would love to play
>there
>(with some dust covers, of course...).
>Jeff McLeod
>
>At 10:57 AM 9/22/1999 -0700, you wrote:
>>Hi gang!
>>
>>Did any of youse attend this years Burning Man festival? A key
>playing
>friend of mine returned and is now raving about all the
>techo-electronic
>music he saw and is trying to get me into his game plan for next
>year...
>While I'm very interested, I was initially very worried about dust
>and dirt
>in very expensive equipment. Also noisy generators etc. I'd love to
>discuss
>all of this as well as the potential for some possible collaboration
>at
>next years event with any of you.
>>
>>Miko Biffle                                    "Running scared from
>all
>the usual distractions..."
>>mbiffle@svg.com
>>
>>
>__________________________________________
>This is not here--
>And now is almost over...
>http://members.xoom.com/Gezoleen/
>http://members.xoom.com/edkempertrio/
>
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Miko I'd love to collaberate as well but school is keeping me busy til next 
Sept..If I can help in some other way...let me know..Papa Dave
     ps looks like I scored a used mackie LM 3204, almost ready to rack.

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>Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 20:27:40 EDT
>
>In a message dated 9/22/99 5:04:57 PM Mid-Atlantic Daylight Time,
>mbiffle@svg.com writes:
>
><< I'd love to discuss all of this as well as the potential for some 
>possible
>collaboration at next years event with any of you. >>
>
>i recall last year someone posted the burning man web site address....im
>sorry that i dont have it.....it was a fun read........miko, sign me up, im
>ready..........michael
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In a message dated 9/23/99 2:03:27 AM Mid-Atlantic Daylight Time, 
m1cha3l@earthlink.net writes:

<< Do you work for Boomerang?  >>

no............

<>

yes........very much so..........michael

p.s. if you want a wood burning stove or a really excellent bombay martini, i 
can hook ya up..........:)......m

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Has anyone had experience with the new Line 6 dl4 pedal? The description says 
it has a 14 second looper similar in operation to the boomerang. It does not 
say anything else about layers, editing, midi, etc. 

aanyc

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Micah,

    No, not really running into any issues at all with the Boomerang not 
being in an effects loop, though I do recommend not feeding a line level 
device into the 'rang without the 'rang being in an effects loop.  Though I 
do have to agree that when the 'rang is run in front of my Carvin amp, vs. 
the Mesa Boogie it is a little bit less clean.

    Now that I've been rearranging everything at home, I've been using the 
Boomerang more and more with my GR-30 and running it through the effects loop 
on the GR-30 with much better and cleaner results.  Another issue I'm finding 
is that you want to make absolutely sure that when you set your levels on the 
back of the 'rang that it isn't all that hot a signal hitting the 'rang 
otherwise mine tends to cut out on me in the middle of a loop.  Though I have 
to admit, I'm having a majour blast with the Boomerang vs. my 

    Tchus,

        Lee-ohki.

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My God, is it possible that a collection of folks from this list are
actually agreeing upon a place to play together?  This would mean some kind
of structure wherein a chap like myself could actually play!  I can go along
with this, so long as I'm in the country!

Stephen Goodman       * It's the free Loop Of The Week!
EarthLight Productions * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios.html
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----- Original Message -----
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To: 
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 1999 14:07
Subject: Re: Burning Man anyone?


> HOWDY
>
> Colin Jenkinson here, I'm interested.
>
> Colin Jenkinson | nonikneJ niloC -Chapman Stick, Loops, and microtonality
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mike Biffle 
> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com ;
> subversive@mindspring.com 
> Date: Wednesday, September 22, 1999 1:18 PM
> Subject: Re: Burning Man anyone?
>
>
> >Hi Jeff,
> >
> >I'm beggining some discussions concerning the dust control. Maybe
> >shrink wrap a GT-5 and leave only holes for cable jacks? Take a tiny 2
> >space rack for an EDP and Vortex and maybe also a Yamaha QY-70? I've
> >heard there are *plenty* of stages which were not in use a fair
> >portion of the time. I'm going to post a few messages to the Burning
> >Man bulletin board and see if I can make contact with any stage
> >managers or owners... I found a tabla player who'd love to meet and
> >jam next year. My keyboard playing friend has light show multi-media
> >types who are trying to figure out how to do that there as well.
> >
> >Miko Biffle                                    "Running scared from
> >all the usual distractions..."
> >mbiffle@svg.com
> >
> >>>> Jeff & Vonda McLeod  09/22 11:55 AM
> >>>>
> >Miko,
> > I didn't get to attend, but I do know someone who did. I heard
> >that this
> >year's was pretty huge attendance-wise--more so that in the past.
> >From
> >riding dead horses to destroying tanks and armored vehicles with
> >various
> >other dead animals. Sounds pretty damned crazy. I would love to play
> >there
> >(with some dust covers, of course...).
> >Jeff McLeod
> >
> >At 10:57 AM 9/22/1999 -0700, you wrote:
> >>Hi gang!
> >>
> >>Did any of youse attend this years Burning Man festival? A key
> >playing
> >friend of mine returned and is now raving about all the
> >techo-electronic
> >music he saw and is trying to get me into his game plan for next
> >year...
> >While I'm very interested, I was initially very worried about dust
> >and dirt
> >in very expensive equipment. Also noisy generators etc. I'd love to
> >discuss
> >all of this as well as the potential for some possible collaboration
> >at
> >next years event with any of you.
> >>
> >>Miko Biffle                                    "Running scared from
> >all
> >the usual distractions..."
> >>mbiffle@svg.com
> >>
> >>
> >__________________________________________
> >This is not here--
> >And now is almost over...
> >http://members.xoom.com/Gezoleen/
> >http://members.xoom.com/edkempertrio/
> >
> >
>

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I use a Tube Works MosValve power amp and a 60's Fender 2x12 cab.  Sounds
fairly tasty! :) 

L.

At 03:09 PM 9/20/99 -0400, postaldave wrote:
>What kind of amp do you use???????
>
>" I use it w/ violin & cello usually before the effects chain and have had
>no
>problems with noise provided I set the recording gain & the loop output
>volume correctly.  Seeing as a guitar pickup (electric anyways) has a
>hotter output than the piezo pickups that I use on my instruments, you
>should have no problems if you set the record gain appropriately for your
>instrument."
>

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--- PERILLE  wrote:

> Could you tell me if you can change the loop tempo
> afterwards using the
> tap tempo once the loop is already recorded ?

Using the tap tempo on an existing loop would act
like,
(for lack of a better description), a loop divider.
In other words, whatever part of the loop that occurs
between the two tap signals becomes the new loop. The
other portion of the original loop would be lost.

 
> And do you mean a loop can be already defined in
> terms of number of
> measures before you start recording a tapped tempo
> loop ?


Tap tempo simply resets the delay time. If you're
using a delay with the delay time set at 10 secs &
then tap the switch 8 secs apart, you will have a new
delay time of 8 secs. If you were to start with the
delay time set at 2 secs & then tapped the switch 8
secs apart, you would have a 2 sec loop multiplied
by 4.


> 
> Thanx
> 
> Emmanuel
 
You're welcome

John






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>> Has anyone had experience with the new Line 6 dl4 pedal?

As far as I've read here, they won't be available until October according to
Line 6.

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>Anybody got a bead on a GT-3 user's group/newsgroup?

go here.  http://www.indiscipline.net/gr-30/main.htm

James

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Greetings,

For those looking for a Jamman, there's one in the "music gear" section
of www.digibid.com.  I don't know any of the details about the specific
unit, but the auction closes next Wednesday and current hi-bid is $350.

Good luck,

Jon Southwood
noj@cedar-rapids.net

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You're on my list as well! I'll probably do some research and things
will move slowly at first. I'm going to have to also make damn sure
I'm actually capable of getting there and doing this whole thing! 8-)
It sounds great, but I need to do some homework first. I'll keep you
all posted.

Miko Biffle                                    "Running scared from
all the usual distractions..."
mbiffle@svg.com

>>> "Jean or Colin Jenkinson"  09/22 8:58 PM
>>>
HOWDY

Colin Jenkinson here, I'm interested.

Colin Jenkinson | nonikneJ niloC -Chapman Stick, Loops, and
microtonality
-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Biffle 
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com ;
subversive@mindspring.com 
Date: Wednesday, September 22, 1999 1:18 PM
Subject: Re: Burning Man anyone?


>Hi Jeff,
>
>I'm beggining some discussions concerning the dust control. Maybe
>shrink wrap a GT-5 and leave only holes for cable jacks? Take a tiny
2
>space rack for an EDP and Vortex and maybe also a Yamaha QY-70?
I've
>heard there are *plenty* of stages which were not in use a fair
>portion of the time. I'm going to post a few messages to the
Burning
>Man bulletin board and see if I can make contact with any stage
>managers or owners... I found a tabla player who'd love to meet and
>jam next year. My keyboard playing friend has light show
multi-media
>types who are trying to figure out how to do that there as well.
>
>Miko Biffle                                    "Running scared from
>all the usual distractions..."
>mbiffle@svg.com 
>
>>>> Jeff & Vonda McLeod  09/22 11:55 AM
>>>>
>Miko,
> I didn't get to attend, but I do know someone who did. I heard
>that this
>year's was pretty huge attendance-wise--more so that in the past.
>From
>riding dead horses to destroying tanks and armored vehicles with
>various
>other dead animals. Sounds pretty damned crazy. I would love to
play
>there
>(with some dust covers, of course...).
>Jeff McLeod
>
>At 10:57 AM 9/22/1999 -0700, you wrote:
>>Hi gang!
>>
>>Did any of youse attend this years Burning Man festival? A key
>playing
>friend of mine returned and is now raving about all the
>techo-electronic
>music he saw and is trying to get me into his game plan for next
>year...
>While I'm very interested, I was initially very worried about dust
>and dirt
>in very expensive equipment. Also noisy generators etc. I'd love to
>discuss
>all of this as well as the potential for some possible
collaboration
>at
>next years event with any of you.
>>
>>Miko Biffle                                    "Running scared
from
>all
>the usual distractions..."
>>mbiffle@svg.com 
>>
>>
>__________________________________________
>This is not here--
>And now is almost over...
>http://members.xoom.com/Gezoleen/ 
>http://members.xoom.com/edkempertrio/ 
>
>

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Hi Tom!

I'll put you on my list! I'm starting to think that with the number
of you guys interested. Maybe we can either find a stage with a kindly
sympathetic manager or even devote a new stage to delay looping... I'd
love to meet all of you out there! Big ass PA indeed!

Miko Biffle                                    "Running scared from
all the usual distractions..."
mbiffle@svg.com

>>> "Tom Lambrecht"  09/22 6:58 PM >>>
Miko et. Loopers:

I've been intrigued by this event for some time and even though it
sounds
like it may have lost some of it's "innocence" , I'd love to loop it
. . .

put me down for a couple of didgs, a PDS 8000, Zoom 2100 and a couple
of
other whacko pedals . . . maybe a battery-powered Korg keyboard

need a big-ass PA   ;)
Tom Lambrecht


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Well... my idea of collaboration is pretty loose Narendra! I'm willing
to loop alone as well as with an config of various individuals. You
remember Dana Scruggs? From a long ago Ramayana in Santa Clara? Well,
he's evangelical about doing something next year. He's gone a few
years in a row, so he's in the know about what it would take. I'm
meeting with him to do some playing and a little advance planning for
next years Burn! Love to have you aboard...

Sounds good about the 3204. That's a nice mixer! Let me know when
you've actually got it all in a big ass rack! 8-)

Miko Biffle                                    "Running scared from
all the usual distractions..."
mbiffle@svg.com

>>> "David Potter"  09/22 8:54 PM >>>
Miko I'd love to collaberate as well but school is keeping me busy
til next 
Sept..If I can help in some other way...let me know..Papa Dave
     ps looks like I scored a used mackie LM 3204, almost ready to
rack.


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>From Harmony Central:





Boss GT 3 Guitar Processor -New

Asking Price: US$300
Condition: Mint
Age: 1 months
Description:

       A new, Boss GT 3 guitar processor that is amazing on synths as well.
85 banks of pre-sets, fast editing, excellent user interface, midi,
assignable
       wah/volume pedal, durable. Used about 1 hour. Includes power supply
and manual/effects guide.-$300. Pre-pay. I have references.

Seller: John Hunter, 804-971-7208
E-mail: blacklotus@cstone.net (Profile)
Location: CHARLOTTESVILLE, VA
Post Date: 9/22/99

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Amazing innit! My first impression was that this would be the PERFECT
place for our collective stuff to happen. That's why our OWN stage
would be a good bet. I'm going to keep my nose into this and try to at
least give you all as much info on the possibilities as I can. Any
help from you all would be great as well.

http://www.burningman.com/

Miko Biffle                                    "Running scared from
all the usual distractions..."
mbiffle@svg.com

>>> "Stephen Goodman"  09/22 11:04 PM >>>
My God, is it possible that a collection of folks from this list are
actually agreeing upon a place to play together?  This would mean
some kind
of structure wherein a chap like myself could actually play!  I can
go along
with this, so long as I'm in the country!

Stephen Goodman       * It's the free Loop Of The Week!
EarthLight Productions * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios.html 
*
(Hear the NEW "Star Spangled Banner" here!)

----- Original Message -----
From: Jean or Colin Jenkinson 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 1999 14:07
Subject: Re: Burning Man anyone?


> HOWDY
>
> Colin Jenkinson here, I'm interested.
>
> Colin Jenkinson | nonikneJ niloC -Chapman Stick, Loops, and
microtonality
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mike Biffle 
> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
;
> subversive@mindspring.com 
> Date: Wednesday, September 22, 1999 1:18 PM
> Subject: Re: Burning Man anyone?
>
>
> >Hi Jeff,
> >
> >I'm beggining some discussions concerning the dust control. Maybe
> >shrink wrap a GT-5 and leave only holes for cable jacks? Take a
tiny 2
> >space rack for an EDP and Vortex and maybe also a Yamaha QY-70?
I've
> >heard there are *plenty* of stages which were not in use a fair
> >portion of the time. I'm going to post a few messages to the
Burning
> >Man bulletin board and see if I can make contact with any stage
> >managers or owners... I found a tabla player who'd love to meet
and
> >jam next year. My keyboard playing friend has light show
multi-media
> >types who are trying to figure out how to do that there as well.
> >
> >Miko Biffle                                    "Running scared
from
> >all the usual distractions..."
> >mbiffle@svg.com 
> >
> >>>> Jeff & Vonda McLeod  09/22 11:55
AM
> >>>>
> >Miko,
> > I didn't get to attend, but I do know someone who did. I heard
> >that this
> >year's was pretty huge attendance-wise--more so that in the past.
> >From
> >riding dead horses to destroying tanks and armored vehicles with
> >various
> >other dead animals. Sounds pretty damned crazy. I would love to
play
> >there
> >(with some dust covers, of course...).
> >Jeff McLeod
> >
> >At 10:57 AM 9/22/1999 -0700, you wrote:
> >>Hi gang!
> >>
> >>Did any of youse attend this years Burning Man festival? A key
> >playing
> >friend of mine returned and is now raving about all the
> >techo-electronic
> >music he saw and is trying to get me into his game plan for next
> >year...
> >While I'm very interested, I was initially very worried about
dust
> >and dirt
> >in very expensive equipment. Also noisy generators etc. I'd love
to
> >discuss
> >all of this as well as the potential for some possible
collaboration
> >at
> >next years event with any of you.
> >>
> >>Miko Biffle                                    "Running scared
from
> >all
> >the usual distractions..."
> >>mbiffle@svg.com 
> >>
> >>
> >__________________________________________
> >This is not here--
> >And now is almost over...
> >http://members.xoom.com/Gezoleen/ 
> >http://members.xoom.com/edkempertrio/ 
> >
> >
>

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I'm less than a week into the GT-3, and it (and the Japlish manual, which is
printed on paper too thin for wrapping fish, otherwise it would be useful)
is not in front of me, but the GT-3 can pitch shift, can night shift, can
don a casual cotton shift and shift into reverse at 60mph, can hit the shift
key on your computer from across the room. I'm pretty sure you can get it to
think it's a Digitech Whammy, and for d-e-e-p "What The Fuck?"-ism, dig: The
Auto Riff function can cause any note on the guitar to spew out up to
sixteen different notes of any flavor in a four-octave range. That's a
different 16-note pattern for every chromatic note, or 16 x 12.
Schoenbergian atonalists, take note, or 16 notes, as it were.
Douglas Baldwin, Alpha male Coyote, the Trickster
dbaldwin@suffolk.lib.ny.us

-----Original Message-----
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To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com 
Date: Monday, September 20, 1999 7:24 AM
Subject: Re: Boss GT-3 Processor and looping


>Can any GT-3/-5 users help with some info.?
>
>Do these babies have good old fashioned pitch shifters
>as per GX-700, ME-30, ME-8.
>The specs. and reviews I've seen mention "harmoniser"
>but on the older systems this is used to describe the
>"intellegent pitch shifters" ie key related not the
>good old fashioned ones that I know and love. There
>is something wonderful about playing a stock scale
>pattern but having little idea of the key of the resultant
>sound until you try and play along with it.
>Give me pitch shifters - I ain't moving until I get pitch shifters!
>
>Jim Carter
>

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>Has anyone had experience with the new Line 6 dl4 pedal? The description
says
>it has a 14 second looper similar in operation to the boomerang. It does
not
>say anything else about layers, editing, midi, etc.
>
>aanyc


I understand it's to hit the street in October. Unless someone out there
works for Line 6, there is no experience yet.

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Having found the use of the Sound-on-Sound functionality, I've a few
questions about it:

* How does one close the loop?  It decays a bit faster than tape, doesn't
it?
* How to change the decay threshold, if not close the loop via some hold
function?

One of the things I love about the 7.6 Time Machine is that I can close the
loop, and let it go for days at a time if I want.  The Zoom 2100's SoS
function seems to be doing both a "stack/pop" and decay process, which
differs naturally.  Having found no parameters as yet to affect this, I come
to thee, O Fellow Loopers...

Stephen Goodman       * It's the free Loop Of The Week!
EarthLight Productions * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios.html
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Contemplating selling my EDP and PMC-10 footpedal, I researched Ebay and
found that on 9/7 an EDP and footpedal sold for ....

$3,050

I'll sell mine for a reasonable $2,000 :-)




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Contemplating selling my EDP and PMC-10 footpedal, I researched Ebay and
found that on 9/7 an EDP and footpedal sold for ....

$3,050

I'll sell mine for a reasonable $2,000 :-)

 

 

 

--

Neil Goldstein

ngold@home.com

Portland, Oregon USA

 My Music on MP3.com

 

 

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Okay then.  Since we'll all have our own audio portion, I suppose all we'll
really need for resources is power, plugins and PA... (I've no amps of
course)... But on the visual end, what do you all use?

Presently I'm experimenting with the sound-sensitive capabilities of the
Psychedelic Screen Saver for providing an attractive and interactive
backdrop, but of course this kind of thing would require the use of a video
projector...  Thoughts in this?  I think that, with the right setup, we
could end up making quite a stir!

Stephen Goodman       * It's the free Loop Of The Week!
EarthLight Productions * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios.html
*
(Hear the NEW "Star Spangled Banner" here!)

----- Original Message -----
From: Mike Biffle 
To: ; 
Sent: Thursday, September 23, 1999 08:29
Subject: Re: Burning Man anyone?


> Amazing innit! My first impression was that this would be the PERFECT
> place for our collective stuff to happen. That's why our OWN stage
> would be a good bet. I'm going to keep my nose into this and try to at
> least give you all as much info on the possibilities as I can. Any
> help from you all would be great as well.
>
> http://www.burningman.com/
>
> Miko Biffle                                    "Running scared from
> all the usual distractions..."
> mbiffle@svg.com
>
> >>> "Stephen Goodman"  09/22 11:04 PM >>>
> My God, is it possible that a collection of folks from this list are
> actually agreeing upon a place to play together?  This would mean
> some kind
> of structure wherein a chap like myself could actually play!  I can
> go along
> with this, so long as I'm in the country!
>
> Stephen Goodman       * It's the free Loop Of The Week!
> EarthLight Productions * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios.html
> *
> (Hear the NEW "Star Spangled Banner" here!)
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Jean or Colin Jenkinson 
> To: 
> Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 1999 14:07
> Subject: Re: Burning Man anyone?
>
>
> > HOWDY
> >
> > Colin Jenkinson here, I'm interested.
> >
> > Colin Jenkinson | nonikneJ niloC -Chapman Stick, Loops, and
> microtonality
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Mike Biffle 
> > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
> ;
> > subversive@mindspring.com 
> > Date: Wednesday, September 22, 1999 1:18 PM
> > Subject: Re: Burning Man anyone?
> >
> >
> > >Hi Jeff,
> > >
> > >I'm beggining some discussions concerning the dust control. Maybe
> > >shrink wrap a GT-5 and leave only holes for cable jacks? Take a
> tiny 2
> > >space rack for an EDP and Vortex and maybe also a Yamaha QY-70?
> I've
> > >heard there are *plenty* of stages which were not in use a fair
> > >portion of the time. I'm going to post a few messages to the
> Burning
> > >Man bulletin board and see if I can make contact with any stage
> > >managers or owners... I found a tabla player who'd love to meet
> and
> > >jam next year. My keyboard playing friend has light show
> multi-media
> > >types who are trying to figure out how to do that there as well.
> > >
> > >Miko Biffle                                    "Running scared
> from
> > >all the usual distractions..."
> > >mbiffle@svg.com
> > >
> > >>>> Jeff & Vonda McLeod  09/22 11:55
> AM
> > >>>>
> > >Miko,
> > > I didn't get to attend, but I do know someone who did. I heard
> > >that this
> > >year's was pretty huge attendance-wise--more so that in the past.
> > >From
> > >riding dead horses to destroying tanks and armored vehicles with
> > >various
> > >other dead animals. Sounds pretty damned crazy. I would love to
> play
> > >there
> > >(with some dust covers, of course...).
> > >Jeff McLeod
> > >
> > >At 10:57 AM 9/22/1999 -0700, you wrote:
> > >>Hi gang!
> > >>
> > >>Did any of youse attend this years Burning Man festival? A key
> > >playing
> > >friend of mine returned and is now raving about all the
> > >techo-electronic
> > >music he saw and is trying to get me into his game plan for next
> > >year...
> > >While I'm very interested, I was initially very worried about
> dust
> > >and dirt
> > >in very expensive equipment. Also noisy generators etc. I'd love
> to
> > >discuss
> > >all of this as well as the potential for some possible
> collaboration
> > >at
> > >next years event with any of you.
> > >>
> > >>Miko Biffle                                    "Running scared
> from
> > >all
> > >the usual distractions..."
> > >>mbiffle@svg.com
> > >>
> > >>
> > >__________________________________________
> > >This is not here--
> > >And now is almost over...
> > >http://members.xoom.com/Gezoleen/
> > >http://members.xoom.com/edkempertrio/
> > >
> > >
> >
>

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Anyone looking for a portable supply of AC power and a portable PA system
might want to check out Galaxy Audio:

http://www.galaxyaudio.com/GalaxyP.html

They make a portable AC box and portable PA systems.  Not exactly cheap,
but probably easier to deal with than generators, and a lot less noisy!

I haven't used these products myself, but Location Sound Corp.
(locationsound.com) carries them and they are very reputable company.

Matt

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:-)

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Thanks for the message.
I just received a message from a guy selling his for 1500. Does your edp have the installed memory or expanded?

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The Galaxy gel-cell-plus-inverter box is nice but Far Outlet is just too
cuuute of a name.

You can make your own for a lot less. I used one of those sealed battery
packs sold for emergency car-starting, a small 12V-120V inverter, and a
plastic box.  It works well, and I have the ticket to prove it! The first
time I used my remote setup, we were cited for "recording music without a
permit in a national park" in the Golden Gate Headlands. I had a Neumann
mic in one of the concrete bunker/echo chambers there, looped through an
Eventide H3000 playing back into Cambridge Model 11 suitcase speakers in
other parts of the bunker, and a stereo mic to record the whole mess on
DAT. The more expensive inverters provide cleaner power, but I didn't have
any hum or buzz problems with the $50 "modified sine-wave" unit I used.

The Cambridge Model 11 has more in common with home stereo than PA, but it
is a convenient package that runs on 12V and sounds pretty good at
"acoustic" levels. Basically it's a pair of little speakers and a little
amp that come in a suitcase, and the suitcase doubles as a woofer once you
unpack it.

I had no idea there were laws about recording outdoors (especially the
ridiculously quiet ambient stuff we were doing), and fortunately neither
did the judge, who dismissed it and sent me home with a frameworthy memento
and a good anecdote.

-Alex S.


>Anyone looking for a portable supply of AC power and a portable PA system
>might want to check out Galaxy Audio:
>
>http://www.galaxyaudio.com/GalaxyP.html
>
>They make a portable AC box and portable PA systems.  Not exactly cheap,
>but probably easier to deal with than generators, and a lot less noisy!
>
>I haven't used these products myself, but Location Sound Corp.
>(locationsound.com) carries them and they are very reputable company.
>
>Matt



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AAarons107@aol.com wrote:

> Thanks for the message.
> I just received a message from a guy selling his for 1500. Does your edp have the installed memory or expanded?

Maxed.


--
Neil Goldstein
ngold@home.com



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Um... speaking for myself, and I'm unanimous in this, if you guys are
*really* going to start a rape price discussion on selling an Echoplex
could you please take it offlist? Everyone here knows about the idiotic
Ebay sale. Quite a few people tried to lure the second bidder away as
well. If it sold for that so be it but that one sale is *not* the be all
and end all of EDP sales nor should it be. Soon you'll be able to buy
one for less than $900 or so with foot pedal and that whopping extra $25
or so to max the memory out. Until then you can find them easily for
that price or less if you bother to put a few minutes into your search. 

If you feel it necessary to sell or buy a unit for three times what it's
worth have the class to do it privately and not flaunt your greed or
ignorance here. Just my $3000.02. I'll shut up now.


> AAarons107@aol.com wrote:
> > Thanks for the message.
> > I just received a message from a guy selling his for 1500. Does your edp have the installed memory or expanded?
 
> Maxed.
> Neil Goldstein

 
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I think this doesn't even make a good joke.  There are a lot of us waiting
to purchase an Echoplex, but I think everybody agrees here that it's not
worth $2,000.  I just want to clarify this in case anybody from Gibson or
Sony or whoever ends up manufacturing and selling Echoplexi will get the
idea that perhaps they should price them anywhere above $600.  Because one
desperate baboon paid that price on E-bay doesn't mean that's now the market
price.  Get with it.

  -----Original Message-----
  From: Neil Goldstein [mailto:ngold@home.com]
  Sent: Thursday 23 September 1999 10:17 AM
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  Contemplating selling my EDP and PMC-10 footpedal, I researched Ebay and
found that on 9/7 an EDP and footpedal sold for ....
  $3,050

  I'll sell mine for a reasonable $2,000 :-)




  --
  Neil Goldstein
  ngold@home.com
  Portland, Oregon USA
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I tried to install the freeware Steinberg Neon VST pluggin for use with 
Opcode Vision DSP 4.5 and it doesn't seem to want to appear in the menu, 
although on start up I believe the program recognizes it.  Has anyone got 
any experience with this?  Any other freeware VST synths out there?
Thanks, Sean

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There's a desperate baboon born every minute...

----- Original Message -----=20
From: Javier Miranda V.=20
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Sent: Thursday, September 23, 1999 10:23 PM
Subject: RE: EDP through the roof


I think this doesn't even make a good joke.  There are a lot of us =
waiting to purchase an Echoplex, but I think everybody agrees here that =
it's not worth $2,000.  I just want to clarify this in case anybody from =
Gibson or Sony or whoever ends up manufacturing and selling Echoplexi =
will get the idea that perhaps they should price them anywhere above =
$600.  Because one desperate baboon paid that price on E-bay doesn't =
mean that's now the market price.  Get with it.

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----- Original Message -----=20

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V. 



Sent: Thursday, September 23, 1999 10:23 PM


Subject: RE: EDP through the roof





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$2,000.  I just want to clarify this in case anybody from Gibson or =
Sony or=20
whoever ends up manufacturing and selling Echoplexi will get the idea =
that=20
perhaps they should price them anywhere above $600.  Because one =
desperate=20
baboon paid that price on E-bay doesn't mean that's now the market =
price. =20
Get with it.


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Hi, all...
	I just wanted to mention something great that I've just this month run
across. For a long, long time I've been familiar with the band Swans. But's
it's only been recently that I have picked up some of their recordings. I
had to write to the list to let anyone who's interested in incredible,
emotional, frightening music know about them. There's plenty of looping
going on--even on the earliest recordings from the beginning of the 80s. I
cannot stress to everyone how wonderful and amazing this music is. I would
also recommend any of the recent work by Swans leader Michael Gira. Two
great Swans-related recordings, just to give you a couple, are:
Soundtracks For The Blind and Michael Gira's Drainland recording. Here's a
link to the band's website, for anyone who might like to find out more
about them:

http://www.swans.pair.com/

	This is one of those bands that makes one wonder how in the hell they've
gone so long without listening to them. So I just thought I drop the good
word here.
Sincerely,
Jeff McLeod
__________________________________________
This is not here--
And now is almost over... 
http://members.xoom.com/Gezoleen/
http://members.xoom.com/edkempertrio/

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hmmm... don't know what the problem is... when they were available in
australia (i believe it was in 1995 during an extremely rare cosmic
alignment that lasted about 2 days) an EDP-with-pedal actually cost
aus$3000... 


legion wrote:
> 
> Um... speaking for myself, and I'm unanimous in this, if you guys are
> *really* going to start a rape price discussion on selling an Echoplex
> could you please take it offlist? Everyone here knows about the idiotic
> Ebay sale. Quite a few people tried to lure the second bidder away as
> well. If it sold for that so be it but that one sale is *not* the be all
> and end all of EDP sales nor should it be. Soon you'll be able to buy
> one for less than $900 or so with foot pedal and that whopping extra $25
> or so to max the memory out. Until then you can find them easily for
> that price or less if you bother to put a few minutes into your search.
> 
> If you feel it necessary to sell or buy a unit for three times what it's
> worth have the class to do it privately and not flaunt your greed or
> ignorance here. Just my $3000.02. I'll shut up now.
> 
>

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Have you got VST 2.0 protocole on Vision ?
Neon works only with it

Lionel

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>De : "Sean Witters" 
>À : Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
>Objet : Vision DSP 4.5 & VST Pluggins
>Date : Ven 24 sep 1999 5:48
>

> I tried to install the freeware Steinberg Neon VST pluggin for use with
> Opcode Vision DSP 4.5 and it doesn't seem to want to appear in the menu,
> although on start up I believe the program recognizes it.  Has anyone got
> any experience with this?  Any other freeware VST synths out there?
> Thanks, Sean
>
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vision is not really a plug in... it's a virtual instruments... only VST 2.0
compatible software can use it...

ciao
leo

At 20.48 23/09/99 PDT, you wrote:
>I tried to install the freeware Steinberg Neon VST pluggin for use with 
>Opcode Vision DSP 4.5 and it doesn't seem to want to appear in the menu, 
>although on start up I believe the program recognizes it.  Has anyone got 
>any experience with this?  Any other freeware VST synths out there?
>Thanks, Sean
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sorry I meant NEON..... not vision! ;)

vision is not really a plug in... it's a virtual instruments... only VST 2.0
compatible software can use it...

ciao
leo

At 20.48 23/09/99 PDT, you wrote:
>I tried to install the freeware Steinberg Neon VST pluggin for use with 
>Opcode Vision DSP 4.5 and it doesn't seem to want to appear in the menu, 
>although on start up I believe the program recognizes it.  Has anyone got 
>any experience with this?  Any other freeware VST synths out there?
>Thanks, Sean
>
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>From: "David Potter" 
>To: Papadave55@hotmail.com
>Subject: Fwd: failure notice
>Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 05:46:37 PDT
>
>
>
>
>Some new company is gonna make alot of money when the technology comes
>together..imagine a jamaboomaplex,a echorangaman,or a
>Digaboomerplexajammerrangapro...We don't have to worry because some rich
>duffus is trying to impress people with his money...to some $600,$3000,
>$30,000... money means nothing to some people.  Let him show off...I wonder
>if he can play it it???  Soon enough a new machine will manifest and come 
>in
>at around $600..Maybe the Matrix Alien Looper...will make them all
>obsolete...
>Loop on my friends ,everything is O.K....Papa Dave
>
>
> >From: "Javier Miranda V." 
> >Reply-To: 
> >To: 
> >Subject: RE: EDP through the roof
> >Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 20:23:57 -0700
> >
> >I think this doesn't even make a good joke.  There are a lot of us 
>waiting
> >to purchase an Echoplex, but I think everybody agrees here that it's not
> >worth $2,000.  I just want to clarify this in case anybody from Gibson or
> >Sony or whoever ends up manufacturing and selling Echoplexi will get the
> >idea that perhaps they should price them anywhere above $600.  Because 
>one
> >desperate baboon paid that price on E-bay doesn't mean that's now the
> >market
> >price.  Get with it.
> >
> >   -----Original Message-----
> >   From: Neil Goldstein [mailto:ngold@home.com]
> >   Sent: Thursday 23 September 1999 10:17 AM
> >   To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
> >   Subject: EDP through the roof
> >
> >
> >   Contemplating selling my EDP and PMC-10 footpedal, I researched Ebay 
>and
> >found that on 9/7 an EDP and footpedal sold for ....
> >   $3,050
> >
> >   I'll sell mine for a reasonable $2,000 :-)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >   --
> >   Neil Goldstein
> >   ngold@home.com
> >   Portland, Oregon USA
> >    My Music on MP3.com
> >
> >
> >
>
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Subject: FS: Digitech PDS 8000 $300, Harmony Central
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Dealer Ad: Digitech PDS-8000 and more!!!

Asking Price: US$N/A
Condition: Mint
Age: N/A
Description:

       Digitech PDS-8000, excellent+++...$300.00 + shipping
       Electro Harmonix Big Muff, 1st issue,triangle knob,
excellent+...$250.00 + shipping
       Pearl Compressor, mint...$60.00
       Dean Markley Overlord model I, mint in box with booklet and
sticker...$135.00 + shipping ( this model smokes the Chandler unit and is AC
powered)
       Boss OD-1, mint with original price tag still on it...$115.00 +
shipping
       Mutron phasor, excellent+...$145.00 + shipping

       Way to much to list, please email...
       Payment by money order and all FX shipped USPS insured.

Seller: Pro Analog, 317-824-0574
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GT-5

Asking Price: US$450
Condition: Excellent
Age: N/A
Description:

       gt-5 in great shape includes manual and lots of patches printed from
internet sites. this is the more editable pro level version of the gt-3, I
am asking 450
       for it and I will pay the shipping, if you pay the shipping I will
take 400 + shipping. reply to email or phone 214 874 6379 and leave message

Seller: Bruce O'Leary, 2144023658
E-mail: boleary@homecomings.com (Profile)
Location: PLANO, TX
Post Date: 9/23/99

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Wow a digitech pds8000 for only a lot more than it listed for new, what a
deal.kidding. Actually this is a good unit. I used to own one years ago.

DT

        

       Digitech PDS-8000, excellent+++...$300.00 + shipping
      

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Hey - 
 
Anybody going to go to the recording thing at the Javitz to harass Gibson
personally about the EDP?  They have been busy creating a new musical standard,
apparently, when all WE want is one of their old instruments..

http://www.harmony-central.com/Newp/107AES/Gibson/GMICS.html

MT
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			Playlist for "EMUSIC"

"EMUSIC," an electronic, ambient, and space music show, airs each Thursday
at 11pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in
Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ.  http://www.wdiyfm.org/schedule/s_emusic.html

		Show #131		September 23, 1999.
		Host: Bill Fox		http://www.wdiyfm.org
		billfox@fast.net

On this show, I began the (interrupted) month-long focus on Utah
musician Robert Carty.  Though unsigned, Robert releases his music on
his CDR label, Deep Sky Music to critical acclaim.  Each CD is
individually hand painted by Robert.  The feature CD at midnight was
Silent Dreams.

	Robert Carty  :  http://www.california.com/~eameece/carty.htm
	EMUSIC Focus  :  http://www.wdiyfm.org/emusic/playlists/focus.html

Music by Tim Story was played in support of Star's End Gathering XX in
nearby Philadelphia.  Music by Cerullo and Keller & Schonwalder was
played in support of E-Live '99 in Nijmegen, The Netherlands.  Both
concerts will be on October 9.

	Star's End    :  http://www.starsend.org/20gather.html
        E-Live '99    :  http://stichting-crew.nl/elive1999.html


ARTIST                  TRACK                    ALBUM (label)
======================= ======================== =============================
11:00 pm
Victor Cerullo          The Signal               Ludus (Groove)
Mark Sarno              The Next Leap Is Mine    Throw Off the Mask (Kinesis)
Keller & Schonwalder    knust part three         Concerts (Manikin)
V. Obmana & J. Pearce   Wander                   True Stories (Mirage)
Tim Story               Careen                   Abridged (Hearts of Space)
Tony Gerber             Kitt Peak       Blue Western Sky (Lektronic Soundscapes)
Robert Carty            The Living Universe      The Living (Deep Sky Music)

12:00 am
Robert Carty            Rest                     Silent Dreams (Deep Sky Music)
Robert Carty            Alpha Call               Silent Dreams (Deep Sky Music)
Robert Carty            Floating                 Silent Dreams (Deep Sky Music)
Robert Carty            Emerging Dreams          Silent Dreams (Deep Sky Music)
Robert Carty            Revealings of Heart      Silent Dreams (Deep Sky Music)
Robert Carty            Returning                Silent Dreams (Deep Sky Music)

1:00 am

 * = exerpt
VA = Various Artists (compilation)

On the next EMUSIC, I will conclude the month-long focus on Utah musician
Robert Carty.  This unsigned artist deserves widespread recognition.
The Feature CD at Midnight will be Cloud Pull.

Please visit the WDIY web site and navigate through the schedule to the
EMUSIC pages.  Playlists for every show are there.  Hot links to artists
and labels can be found in the monthly focus section.

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legion wrote:

> Um... speaking for myself, and I'm unanimous in this,

Are you really Yogi Berra?

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legion wrote:

Um... speaking for myself, and I'm unanimous in this,

Are you really Yogi Berra?

--

Neil Goldstein

ngold@home.com

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"K. Douglas Baldwin" wrote:

> And it has an outboard in-out point - an
> outboard FX loop point - which can be similarly assigned to any point in the
> configuration. I could rant for multiple screens on it, but I have a
> deadline...

I just got my GT-3 and even a short demo has really impressed me for tone from a
pedal.

I am trying to put my Digitech Space Station into the effects loop but it is not
happening. The manual does not have much on the effects loop so please clue me
in to the secret! I get no signal out to the S.S.. Its like its not engaged at
all.

tia,

jd

>
>
> Douglas Baldwin, Alpha male Coyote, the Trickster
> dbaldwin@suffolk.lib.ny.us

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Hi Jeff...

The loop is indeed probably disengaged... You need to push on the
loop button twice to engage it, or push once then scroll to on/off and
turn in on in the patch. You can also assign the loop on/off status to
the control switch or expression pedal so you have control over
whether it's in the chain or not. There are also parameters which
control the level of the loop so scroll over and check them out.
You'll determing which settings work best with your Space Station. If
you turn the loop on, remember to store it so that it will be on when
you return to that patch.

Miko Biffle                                    "Running scared from
all the usual distractions..."
mbiffle@svg.com

>>> Jeff Duke  09/24 11:02 AM >>>


"K. Douglas Baldwin" wrote:

> And it has an outboard in-out point - an
> outboard FX loop point - which can be similarly assigned to any
point in the
> configuration. I could rant for multiple screens on it, but I have
a
> deadline...

I just got my GT-3 and even a short demo has really impressed me for
tone from a
pedal.

I am trying to put my Digitech Space Station into the effects loop
but it is not
happening. The manual does not have much on the effects loop so
please clue me
in to the secret! I get no signal out to the S.S.. Its like its not
engaged at
all.

tia,

jd

>
>
> Douglas Baldwin, Alpha male Coyote, the Trickster
> dbaldwin@suffolk.lib.ny.us 

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Well it may be these new multivision lenses but I indeed can't find any
controls for the effects loop. It does name the in and out for it the ext
od/dis which is how they name the overdrive/distortion button.

j the d

Mike Biffle wrote:

> Hi Jeff...
>
> The loop is indeed probably disengaged... You need to push on the
> loop button twice to engage it, or push once then scroll to on/off and
> turn in on in the patch. You can also assign the loop on/off status to
> the control switch or expression pedal so you have control over
> whether it's in the chain or not. There are also parameters which
> control the level of the loop so scroll over and check them out.
> You'll determing which settings work best with your Space Station. If
> you turn the loop on, remember to store it so that it will be on when
> you return to that patch.
>
> Miko Biffle                                    "Running scared from
> all the usual distractions..."
> mbiffle@svg.com
>
> >>> Jeff Duke  09/24 11:02 AM >>>
>
> "K. Douglas Baldwin" wrote:
>
> > And it has an outboard in-out point - an
> > outboard FX loop point - which can be similarly assigned to any
> point in the
> > configuration. I could rant for multiple screens on it, but I have
> a
> > deadline...
>
> I just got my GT-3 and even a short demo has really impressed me for
> tone from a
> pedal.
>
> I am trying to put my Digitech Space Station into the effects loop
> but it is not
> happening. The manual does not have much on the effects loop so
> please clue me
> in to the secret! I get no signal out to the S.S.. Its like its not
> engaged at
> all.
>
> tia,
>
> jd
>
> >
> >
> > Douglas Baldwin, Alpha male Coyote, the Trickster
> > dbaldwin@suffolk.lib.ny.us

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I happen to have the manual here at work, and I can find no mention of the
loop other than the jack description on page 10.  I've never used it myself.

TH

----------
>From: Mike Biffle 
>To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com, jmar@bellsouth.net
>Subject: Re: Boss GT-3 Processor (now effects loop?)
>Date: Fri, Sep 24, 1999, 2:35 PM
>

> Wow Jeff... maybe it's in the Master button section... or worse, they
> eliminated it. From what I've read and what K. Doug Baldwin has said though
> it sounds like it shoud be in there somewhere. Keep looking. BTW: I have a
> GT-5 so I'm not the best guy to give you the detailed i/o on the GT-3. Anyone
else?
>
>>>> Jeff Duke  09/24 11:35 AM >>>
> Hi Miko, thanks but where is the loop button? I can't find it at all or
> any reference to it in the manual.
>
> jeff
>
> Mike Biffle wrote:
>
>> Hi Jeff...
>>
>> The loop is indeed probably disengaged... You need to push on the
>> loop button twice to engage it, or push once then scroll to on/off and
>> turn in on in the patch. You can also assign the loop on/off status to
>> the control switch or expression pedal so you have control over
>> whether it's in the chain or not. There are also parameters which
>> control the level of the loop so scroll over and check them out.
>> You'll determing which settings work best with your Space Station. If
>> you turn the loop on, remember to store it so that it will be on when
>> you return to that patch.
>>
>> Miko Biffle                                    "Running scared from
>> all the usual distractions..."
>> mbiffle@svg.com
>>
>> >>> Jeff Duke  09/24 11:02 AM >>>
>>
>> "K. Douglas Baldwin" wrote:
>>
>> > And it has an outboard in-out point - an
>> > outboard FX loop point - which can be similarly assigned to any
>> point in the
>> > configuration. I could rant for multiple screens on it, but I have
>> a
>> > deadline...
>>
>> I just got my GT-3 and even a short demo has really impressed me for
>> tone from a
>> pedal.
>>
>> I am trying to put my Digitech Space Station into the effects loop
>> but it is not
>> happening. The manual does not have much on the effects loop so
>> please clue me
>> in to the secret! I get no signal out to the S.S.. Its like its not
>> engaged at
>> all.
>>
>> tia,
>>
>> jd
>>
>> >
>> >
>> > Douglas Baldwin, Alpha male Coyote, the Trickster
>> > dbaldwin@suffolk.lib.ny.us
>
> 

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Wow Jeff... maybe it's in the Master button section... or worse, they eliminated it. From what I've read and what K. Doug Baldwin has said though it sounds like it shoud be in there somewhere. Keep looking. BTW: I have a GT-5 so I'm not the best guy to give you the detailed i/o on the GT-3. Anyone else?

>>> Jeff Duke  09/24 11:35 AM >>>
Hi Miko, thanks but where is the loop button? I can't find it at all or
any reference to it in the manual.

jeff

Mike Biffle wrote:

> Hi Jeff...
>
> The loop is indeed probably disengaged... You need to push on the
> loop button twice to engage it, or push once then scroll to on/off and
> turn in on in the patch. You can also assign the loop on/off status to
> the control switch or expression pedal so you have control over
> whether it's in the chain or not. There are also parameters which
> control the level of the loop so scroll over and check them out.
> You'll determing which settings work best with your Space Station. If
> you turn the loop on, remember to store it so that it will be on when
> you return to that patch.
>
> Miko Biffle                                    "Running scared from
> all the usual distractions..."
> mbiffle@svg.com 
>
> >>> Jeff Duke  09/24 11:02 AM >>>
>
> "K. Douglas Baldwin" wrote:
>
> > And it has an outboard in-out point - an
> > outboard FX loop point - which can be similarly assigned to any
> point in the
> > configuration. I could rant for multiple screens on it, but I have
> a
> > deadline...
>
> I just got my GT-3 and even a short demo has really impressed me for
> tone from a
> pedal.
>
> I am trying to put my Digitech Space Station into the effects loop
> but it is not
> happening. The manual does not have much on the effects loop so
> please clue me
> in to the secret! I get no signal out to the S.S.. Its like its not
> engaged at
> all.
>
> tia,
>
> jd
>
> >
> >
> > Douglas Baldwin, Alpha male Coyote, the Trickster
> > dbaldwin@suffolk.lib.ny.us 


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Its on page 43.

jeff

Travis Hartnett wrote:

> I happen to have the manual here at work, and I can find no mention of the
> loop other than the jack description on page 10.  I've never used it myself.
>
> TH
>
> ----------
> >From: Mike Biffle 
> >To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com, jmar@bellsouth.net
> >Subject: Re: Boss GT-3 Processor (now effects loop?)
> >Date: Fri, Sep 24, 1999, 2:35 PM
> >
>
> > Wow Jeff... maybe it's in the Master button section... or worse, they
> > eliminated it. From what I've read and what K. Doug Baldwin has said though
> > it sounds like it shoud be in there somewhere. Keep looking. BTW: I have a
> > GT-5 so I'm not the best guy to give you the detailed i/o on the GT-3. Anyone
> else?
> >
> >>>> Jeff Duke  09/24 11:35 AM >>>
> > Hi Miko, thanks but where is the loop button? I can't find it at all or
> > any reference to it in the manual.
> >
> > jeff
> >
> > Mike Biffle wrote:
> >
> >> Hi Jeff...
> >>
> >> The loop is indeed probably disengaged... You need to push on the
> >> loop button twice to engage it, or push once then scroll to on/off and
> >> turn in on in the patch. You can also assign the loop on/off status to
> >> the control switch or expression pedal so you have control over
> >> whether it's in the chain or not. There are also parameters which
> >> control the level of the loop so scroll over and check them out.
> >> You'll determing which settings work best with your Space Station. If
> >> you turn the loop on, remember to store it so that it will be on when
> >> you return to that patch.
> >>
> >> Miko Biffle                                    "Running scared from
> >> all the usual distractions..."
> >> mbiffle@svg.com
> >>
> >> >>> Jeff Duke  09/24 11:02 AM >>>
> >>
> >> "K. Douglas Baldwin" wrote:
> >>
> >> > And it has an outboard in-out point - an
> >> > outboard FX loop point - which can be similarly assigned to any
> >> point in the
> >> > configuration. I could rant for multiple screens on it, but I have
> >> a
> >> > deadline...
> >>
> >> I just got my GT-3 and even a short demo has really impressed me for
> >> tone from a
> >> pedal.
> >>
> >> I am trying to put my Digitech Space Station into the effects loop
> >> but it is not
> >> happening. The manual does not have much on the effects loop so
> >> please clue me
> >> in to the secret! I get no signal out to the S.S.. Its like its not
> >> engaged at
> >> all.
> >>
> >> tia,
> >>
> >> jd
> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Douglas Baldwin, Alpha male Coyote, the Trickster
> >> > dbaldwin@suffolk.lib.ny.us
> >
> >

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It looks like I found it. However its only available as a "type" of
distortion so if I wanted to put my Rat and the Space Station in the loop

then I could assign the effects  loop to that patch but I can't use the
effects loop and another distortion effect at the same time. I'll have to

think of something else....

jeff

sorry for the double posts to you Miko, I keep hitting the wrong button
......

Mike Biffle wrote:

> Wow Jeff... maybe it's in the Master button section... or worse, they
> eliminated it. From what I've read and what K. Doug Baldwin has said
> though it sounds like it shoud be in there somewhere. Keep looking.
> BTW: I have a GT-5 so I'm not the best guy to give you the detailed
> i/o on the GT-3. Anyone else?
>
> >>> Jeff Duke  09/24 11:35 AM >>>
> Hi Miko, thanks but where is the loop button? I can't find it at all
> or
> any reference to it in the manual.
>
> jeff
>
> Mike Biffle wrote:
>
> > Hi Jeff...
> >
> > The loop is indeed probably disengaged... You need to push on the
> > loop button twice to engage it, or push once then scroll to on/off
> and
> > turn in on in the patch. You can also assign the loop on/off status
> to
> > the control switch or expression pedal so you have control over
> > whether it's in the chain or not. There are also parameters which
> > control the level of the loop so scroll over and check them out.
> > You'll determing which settings work best with your Space Station.
> If
> > you turn the loop on, remember to store it so that it will be on
> when
> > you return to that patch.
> >
> > Miko Biffle                                    "Running scared
> from
> > all the usual distractions..."
> > mbiffle@svg.com
> >
> > >>> Jeff Duke  09/24 11:02 AM >>>
> >
> > "K. Douglas Baldwin" wrote:
> >
> > > And it has an outboard in-out point - an
> > > outboard FX loop point - which can be similarly assigned to any
> > point in the
> > > configuration. I could rant for multiple screens on it, but I
> have
> > a
> > > deadline...
> >
> > I just got my GT-3 and even a short demo has really impressed me
> for
> > tone from a
> > pedal.
> >
> > I am trying to put my Digitech Space Station into the effects loop
> > but it is not
> > happening. The manual does not have much on the effects loop so
> > please clue me
> > in to the secret! I get no signal out to the S.S.. Its like its
> not
> > engaged at
> > all.
> >
> > tia,
> >
> > jd
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Douglas Baldwin, Alpha male Coyote, the Trickster
> > > dbaldwin@suffolk.lib.ny.us


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Michael Gira's new project, Angels Of Light, is also pretty sweet.

Sam Paterson

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un-subscribe
please take me off this list

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dude, if you dig all that swans stuff, walk, don't run to your nearest local 
distritubor of such goods and purchase two more swans-related items:  The 
Body Lovers and The Body Haters.  INSANE!  wonderful, music.  you will love 
dem.  

    Sam Paterson's good friend,
    Charlie Loudin

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Yeah... the SWANS where a great band.  I haven't listened to them in years 
but I'm gonna go home and dig out some of their records and give'm a listen.  
Thanks for the reminder.

-jack

Jeff McLeod wrote:
Hi, all...
    I just wanted to mention something great that I've just this month run
across. For a long, long time I've been familiar with the band Swans. But's
it's only been recently that I have picked up some of their recordings. I
had to write to the list to let anyone who's interested in incredible,
emotional, frightening music know about them. There's plenty of looping
going on--even on the earliest recordings from the beginning of the 80s. I
cannot stress to everyone how wonderful and amazing this music is. I would
also recommend any of the recent work by Swans leader Michael Gira. Two
great Swans-related recordings, just to give you a couple, are:
Soundtracks For The Blind and Michael Gira's Drainland recording. Here's a
link to the band's website, for anyone who might like to find out more
about them:

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So, we just added Michael Monroe to the list and there were no other names on 
it...we would like to be on it, but cannot handle the 80 emails a day from 
loopers (like do they ever play out???)
I do 250 dates a year and say no to email...this is a ditto from an email I 
already sent, sorry, but I just got this one from you...
Can I still be listed without getting all the email???
Michael Monroe

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So sorry, but I didn't get email one day and there were 80 emails!!!!!!!!!
Can't read don't have time, too busy playing...love the sight but everyone 
seems to be more online than inline with their tunes!
(Love the web site and would love to continue listing...I don't have access 
to computer...except at .10 /min and even with flash session...Please remove 
asap!)
Thanks so much, mm/dm

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Hi all,

I was sorting through some old gear , putting it aside for trade or sale
and I ran across this old Boss ME 5 multieffect that I had been using
with a synth that I loaned out, was I surprised.

I am test flying a Zoom 2100 I was doing so Sound on sound programming,
I pulled it out of the chain replaced it with the ME 5 with the Range at
500 and the feedback at 3 o'clock.  What I got was very nice sound on
sound effect.  The output was superior to that I have been able to coax
out of the 2100 and rivals my 1/2 track reel machines in some ways.

This unit must be selling on the used market for a pittance.  It is a
deal if you can find one.

This discovery made my day.  Earlier on I had called Victor Litz Music
about a Vintage Guitar Magazine special, a $99.00 Akai Headrush.  When I
called the salesman did not know about it (red flag) and I then
overheard another salesman tell him, "we're out of stock and not
carrying it it any more, but if you want one we can get you one for $199
or so  and  $12.00 shipping."  Needless to say if I want to pay street
price for an item I will call Eighth St. not Victor Litz (Who is Victor
Litz ???)   If you see the ad or their website, and you see a $99
Headrush or $50 Variwah or Intelliphase or a $75 Shredomatic, don't get
excited it probably won't be there. It must be one of those entertaiment
ads.

Fiveman (G. Wong)

GM 70, PCM F1, Telex TDE preamps, Rhodes 73Mk1,  Thomas Organ wah,  Akai
D4 Reel to Reel, Telex 6120 cassette duplicator.  All for sale or trade

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So sorry, but I didn't get email one day and there were 80 emails!!!!!!!!!
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(Love the web site and would love to continue listing...I don't have access 
to computer...except at .10 /min and even with flash session...Please remove 
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Can someone please tell me where I can find some free
or cheap mastering software availible for download?
Thanx
PERMADAN
__________________________________________________
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Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com

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Michael Tuminello said:
>Do you work for Boomerang?  I'd really rather have an EDP, but it's been
>promised for many months now, and I'm giving up hope.
>
>I assume you like your boomerang, anyway. ...
>
>The thing is, I'd like to be able to store and trigger differnet loops,
>which, from what I know of the Boomerang, is not possible.
>
>PS:  It really amazes me that Oberheim can drag their collective tail to
>the extent that some hundred or so prospective buyers ( at $600 each w/
>pedal for a total of $60,000 ) are going to have to go with their 2nd
>choice when they already have the plans and means to manufacture the
>device.   Maybe that's small change, or maybe they should just pass the
>right over to someone like Kim or Mattheus, who would probably be hapy for
>the customers....

Thank you. We (Kim+Eric+me=Aurisis Research) basically DO have the rights
and dont build the units ourselves because we have neither time nor money
to do so and we licence Gibson because they DID start the production in
another facility with Kims help, probably quicker than anyone of us could
do it. And nobody would do that work for 100 buyers, there will be a lot
more!

Meanwhile I am working very hard on the next soft upgrade for the EDP.

Matthias


>>In a message dated 9/22/99 4:10:01 PM Mid-Atlantic Daylight Time,
>>ylpunk@yahoo.com writes:
>>
>><<  I'm going to be (finally) flush
>> enough to buy a looper within the next month, and if there is no EDP to be
>>seen
>> on the horizon, I just may have to buy a Boomerang  >>
>>
>>this seems to be a great idea........and by the time you save enough to buy
>>the EDP it should be out and you will have had many, many hours of looping
>>joy with the rang.........michael




         ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org


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 YAMAHA SU10 DIGITAL PHRASE SAMPLER , is this a good sampler, anyone have
one??????

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HI !

     I'm "the K" , newer in the list, i invite you to take alook at my home
page, there is some loops and sounds (original) to download.

     But for the loop community, lisen to the "only Guitar : spool serie"
It's .mp3, and it's guitar loops treated and edited in protools.

     This is the adress : http://www.ifrance .com/kalikay

please send me feedback and tell me what are you thinking about my work.

          Thanks and excuse my bad english


THE K

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Hi Matthias, thanks for your hard work on a very difficult but rewarding 
venture.  Wish the guys had a little more patience but then again I have my 
EDP.  Can I listen to some of your work over the internet or do you have 
C.D.s...??? I got the last (1st) Looper's Delight C.D. thinking it would be 
beyond my capabilities but to my surprise what I am doing is just as loopy 
and textured or more than the C.D.. Gave me some ideas though. Take your 
time and make the next EDP even better,I'm sure it will be!  Best to You,  
Papa Dave


>From: Matthias Grob 
>Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
>To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
>Subject: EDP production
>Date: Sat, 25 Sep 1999 13:37:29 -0300
>
>Michael Tuminello said:
> >Do you work for Boomerang?  I'd really rather have an EDP, but it's been
> >promised for many months now, and I'm giving up hope.
> >
> >I assume you like your boomerang, anyway. ...
> >
> >The thing is, I'd like to be able to store and trigger differnet loops,
> >which, from what I know of the Boomerang, is not possible.
> >
> >PS:  It really amazes me that Oberheim can drag their collective tail to
> >the extent that some hundred or so prospective buyers ( at $600 each w/
> >pedal for a total of $60,000 ) are going to have to go with their 2nd
> >choice when they already have the plans and means to manufacture the
> >device.   Maybe that's small change, or maybe they should just pass the
> >right over to someone like Kim or Mattheus, who would probably be hapy 
>for
> >the customers....
>
>Thank you. We (Kim+Eric+me=Aurisis Research) basically DO have the rights
>and dont build the units ourselves because we have neither time nor money
>to do so and we licence Gibson because they DID start the production in
>another facility with Kims help, probably quicker than anyone of us could
>do it. And nobody would do that work for 100 buyers, there will be a lot
>more!
>
>Meanwhile I am working very hard on the next soft upgrade for the EDP.
>
>Matthias
>
>
> >>In a message dated 9/22/99 4:10:01 PM Mid-Atlantic Daylight Time,
> >>ylpunk@yahoo.com writes:
> >>
> >><<  I'm going to be (finally) flush
> >> enough to buy a looper within the next month, and if there is no EDP to 
>be
> >>seen
> >> on the horizon, I just may have to buy a Boomerang  >>
> >>
> >>this seems to be a great idea........and by the time you save enough to 
>buy
> >>the EDP it should be out and you will have had many, many hours of 
>looping
> >>joy with the rang.........michael
>
>
>
>
>          ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org
>
>

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Exactly how critical a factor is speed regarding SIMM memory? I'm
gearing up to max out my EDP, and am having a difficult time finding the
suggested 120ns+ SIMM. 60ns isn't a problem, I believe they grow on
trees. Would there be a significant difference using the 4mb 60ns in
place of the 120ns? If so, any suggestions as to where I can order
120's? Thanks.
Z.

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At 6:54 PM -0700 9/25/99, wb5150@earthlink.net wrote:
>Exactly how critical a factor is speed regarding SIMM memory? I'm
>gearing up to max out my EDP, and am having a difficult time finding the
>suggested 120ns+ SIMM. 60ns isn't a problem, I believe they grow on
>trees. Would there be a significant difference using the 4mb 60ns in
>place of the 120ns? If so, any suggestions as to where I can order
>120's? Thanks.
>Z.

the requirement is that the simms be *faster* than 120ns, not slower. 60ns
simms are faster, therefore they are fine.

kim


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Recently purchased a used Jamman that reads out the number 18. on the LED 
when powered up. I assume this is an earlier software version.
What's up with getting an upgrade?  I understand the original designer makes 
them  but I've been unable to reach him by e-mail. Any suggestions or info?

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jamman has been out of production for a while now. have you tried talking to 
lexicon? they might be able to help. good luck. i have a jamman with the 32 
second chips in it and i love it. =-) PJ

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DeÝ: "Lionel Hubert" 
¿ : Looper delight 
ObjetÝ: new looper web site
DateÝ: Sam 25 sep 1999 22:19


HI !

     I'm "the K" , newer in the list, i invite you to take alook at my home
page, there is some loops and sounds (original) to download.

     But for the loop community, lisen to the "only Guitar : spool serie"
It's .mp3, and it's guitar loops treated and edited in protools.

     This is the adress : http://www.ifrance.com/kalikay

please send me feedback and tell me what are you thinking about my work.

          Thanks and excuse my bad english


THE K


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Thanksfor the replys, I have sent the GT-3 back as much as I loved the sounds
and tone of the thing. Musicions Friend has a 45 day return and has a very
good staff.
I am getting the GT-5 instead, more mony but it has the movable effects loop
and tap tempo delay. The GT-3 didn't have tap tempo delay, it has a dual
delay that you can tap in the right side for rythmic effects. At least this
was my impression, I didn't get to use it very long.
Those analog synth sounds will be missed though if they are not on the GT-5.
Thanks again for the responses,
Peace,

Jeff
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Jeff Duke wrote:

> It looks like I found it. However its only available as a "type" of
> distortion so if I wanted to put my Rat and the Space Station in the loop
>
> then I could assign the effects  loop to that patch but I can't use the
> effects loop and another distortion effect at the same time. I'll have to
>
> think of something else....
>
> jeff
>
> sorry for the double posts to you Miko, I keep hitting the wrong button
> ......
>
> Mike Biffle wrote:
>
> > Wow Jeff... maybe it's in the Master button section... or worse, they
> > eliminated it. From what I've read and what K. Doug Baldwin has said
> > though it sounds like it shoud be in there somewhere. Keep looking.
> > BTW: I have a GT-5 so I'm not the best guy to give you the detailed
> > i/o on the GT-3. Anyone else?
> >
> > >>> Jeff Duke  09/24 11:35 AM >>>
> > Hi Miko, thanks but where is the loop button? I can't find it at all
> > or
> > any reference to it in the manual.
> >
> > jeff
> >
> > Mike Biffle wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Jeff...
> > >
> > > The loop is indeed probably disengaged... You need to push on the
> > > loop button twice to engage it, or push once then scroll to on/off
> > and
> > > turn in on in the patch. You can also assign the loop on/off status
> > to
> > > the control switch or expression pedal so you have control over
> > > whether it's in the chain or not. There are also parameters which
> > > control the level of the loop so scroll over and check them out.
> > > You'll determing which settings work best with your Space Station.
> > If
> > > you turn the loop on, remember to store it so that it will be on
> > when
> > > you return to that patch.
> > >
> > > Miko Biffle                                    "Running scared
> > from
> > > all the usual distractions..."
> > > mbiffle@svg.com
> > >
> > > >>> Jeff Duke  09/24 11:02 AM >>>
> > >
> > > "K. Douglas Baldwin" wrote:
> > >
> > > > And it has an outboard in-out point - an
> > > > outboard FX loop point - which can be similarly assigned to any
> > > point in the
> > > > configuration. I could rant for multiple screens on it, but I
> > have
> > > a
> > > > deadline...
> > >
> > > I just got my GT-3 and even a short demo has really impressed me
> > for
> > > tone from a
> > > pedal.
> > >
> > > I am trying to put my Digitech Space Station into the effects loop
> > > but it is not
> > > happening. The manual does not have much on the effects loop so
> > > please clue me
> > > in to the secret! I get no signal out to the S.S.. Its like its
> > not
> > > engaged at
> > > all.
> > >
> > > tia,
> > >
> > > jd
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Douglas Baldwin, Alpha male Coyote, the Trickster
> > > > dbaldwin@suffolk.lib.ny.us

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If you're on Mac, try Soundmaker.  I got mine for about $30, though I don't
know if it's still that cheap.

Go to:

http://www.harmony-central.com/Software/Mac/soundmaker-103.html

>Can someone please tell me where I can find some free
>or cheap mastering software availible for download?
>Thanx
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Hey loopy loopers!

Has anyone ever tried the Morley Emerald Analog Delay unit that's on sale
for $59 in the Musicians Friend catalog?  I know it's not a looping device,
but gosh, there are so darned many knowledgeable people on this list about
all sorts of products, I felt this is a good place to ask.  Before ordering
one, I wanted to make sure it's o.k. as far as analog delay units go (for
"warming up" guitar, electric piano, etc.).  My ancient Boss analog delay
is just a little too noisey and muddy for recording soft passages.

Thanks.
Michael.
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tips how to take ourselves off the rogue mailing list that's attached =
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Just trying out my Sharp md-ms702mk minidisk recorder. I just took lines
out of my Mackie into the Sharp 702. Its very easy and IMO sounds very
good. I didn't even run noise reduction on it.

I put up Real Audio of a little jam if anyone would care to listen. It
cracked me up so I thought ya'll might get a kick out of it. Just click
below.

http://members.xoom.com/echo17/sun.html

Hope your having a great weekend,

jeff


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Oh, ick. Spamming on Loopers'Delight? I haven't seen any. I wonder if my
server protects me somehow. Spamming is one instance where I would approve of
the use of virus programs. Of course, if any of you Loopers reading this are
able to hack that well, I am certainly NOT suggesting that you should virus
any spammers back to the stone age. But if it happened and I heard about it, I
would have a good laugh.;-)
On a loopish topic, there is a wonderful annual experimental music festival at
the Chapel of the Chimes in Oakland, California. This last year, one of the
performers had hung contact mics in a fountain, and was assigning each mic a
different sampled sound. She had several banks of sounds prepared and was
having fun switching between them. Can anyone tell me what box she may have
been using? There were at least six mics running into the box and each mic had
a different sound assigned.


Send me a recipe.

On second thought, send me a vegetarian recipe.

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    It seems that the archive is not working or that I'm doing something =
wrong; all of my searches are coming up empty with subjects as basic as =
"vortex" or "echoplex". What gives?=20
    Anyway, I know we've touched on this before but since I can't seem =
to work a simple archive please forgive...
What are the best expression/volume pedals for the Lexicon Vortex? I'd =
really like a wah-wah/volume/expression pedal if possible.
Is the Zoom EP01 a good choice? (I have an opportunity to get one rather =
cheap.)=20
    I particularly remember a post by one D. Stagner, in which he =
inquired about the "full sweep" of morphing capability and which pedal =
best performs this?  I would prefer such a thing too.=20

Tambient anechoic chamber orchestratos flourescent torrential latent =
atmosheric choir rain omni-portal sphere of broken glass swirl

Lada,
    Jamie     at JenniL@bellsouth.net

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something wrong; all of my searches are coming up empty = with=20 subjects
as basic as "vortex" or "echoplex". What gives?      Anyway, I know we've
touched on = this before=20 but since I can't seem to work a simple archive
please = forgive... What are the best expression/volume pedals for the =
Lexicon=20 Vortex? I'd really like a wah-wah/volume/expression pedal if=20
possible. Is the Zoom EP01 a good choice? (I have an = opportunity to
get=20 one rather cheap.)      I particularly remember a post by = one
D.=20 Stagner, in which he inquired about the "full sweep" of morphing =
capability and=20 which pedal best performs this?  I would prefer such a
thing too. =    Tambient anechoic chamber orchestratos flourescent =
torrential=20 latent atmosheric choir rain omni-portal sphere of broken
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hi Jamie,

I don't think you can use a wah-vol pedal or any powered pedal. I made

an expression pedal from a passive volume pedal and a few parts from

Radio Shack. The schematic from the manual can be found here.

http://www.annihilist.com/loop/tools/vortex/vortex.html for the Vortex

and

http://www.annihilist.com/loop/tools/vortex/vortex04.GIF for the page

that I found it on. It works great w/full morphing! Hope this helps,


jeff


Jenni Leeds wrote:


>     It seems that the archive is not working or that I'm doing

> something wrong; all of my searches are coming up empty with
subjects

> as basic as "vortex" or "echoplex". What gives?    Anyway, I know

> we've touched on this before but since I can't seem to work a simple

> archive please forgive...What are the best expression/volume pedals

> for the Lexicon Vortex? I'd really like a wah-wah/volume/expression

> pedal if possible.Is the Zoom EP01 a good choice? (I have an

> opportunity to get one rather cheap.)    I particularly remember a

> post by one D. Stagner, in which he inquired about the "full sweep"
of

> morphing capability and which pedal best performs this? I would
prefer

> such a thing too. Tambient anechoic chamber orchestratos flourescent

> torrential latent atmosheric choir rain omni-portal sphere of broken

> glass swirl Lada,    Jamie     at JenniL@bellsouth.net


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  hi Jamie,=20

I don't think you can use a wah-vol pedal or any powered pedal. I made
an expression pedal from a passive volume pedal and a few parts from
Radio Shack. The schematic from the manual can be found here.=20

<http://www.annihil=
ist.com/loop/tools/vortex/vortex.html
for the Vortex and=20

<http://www.annihi=
list.com/loop/tools/vortex/vortex04.GIF
for the page that I found it on. It works great w/full morphing! Hope
this helps,=20

 =20

jeff=20


Jenni Leeds wrote:=20

left

     It seems that the archive is not working or that I'm doing
something wrong; all of my searches are coming up empty with subjects
as basic as "vortex" or "echoplex". What gives?    Anyway, I know we've
touched on this before but since I can't seem to work a simple archive
please forgive...What are the best expression/volume pedals for the
Lexicon Vortex? I'd really like a wah-wah/volume/expression pedal if
possible.Is the Zoom EP01 a good choice? (I have an opportunity to get
one rather cheap.)    I particularly remember a post by one D. Stagner,
in which he inquired about the "full sweep" of morphing capability and
which pedal best performs this? I would prefer such a thing
too. Tambient anechoic chamber orchestratos flourescent torrential
latent atmosheric choir rain omni-portal sphere of broken glass
swirl Lada,    Jamie     at
<JenniL@bellsouth.net



=20


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hi jenni,

i've found that the very cheap expression pedal by some company called
"proel" works a treat for the vortex... its plastic but has survived, er
... me stomping on it for a while.. max toe down reaches 64 on the
nose... toe up--01 ditto

Proel seem to make two versions of the same looking pedal... one is a
volume pedal with input/ouput sockets (probably no good) the other is
the one i'm using---just a single stereo lead coming out of the thing..

brad <---- been having much fun using the proel to drive molto bizzaro
pedal driven effectoids...



> Jenni Leeds wrote:
>
>     It seems that the archive is not working or that I'm doing
> something wrong; all of my searches are coming up empty with subjects
> as basic as "vortex" or "echoplex". What gives?
>     Anyway, I know we've touched on this before but since I can't seem
> to work a simple archive please forgive...
> What are the best expression/volume pedals for the Lexicon Vortex? I'd
> really like a wah-wah/volume/expression pedal if possible.
> Is the Zoom EP01 a good choice? (I have an opportunity to get one
> rather cheap.)
>     I particularly remember a post by one D. Stagner, in which he
> inquired about the "full sweep" of morphing capability and which pedal
> best performs this? I would prefer such a thing too.
>
> Tambient anechoic chamber orchestratos flourescent torrential latent
> atmosheric choir rain omni-portal sphere of broken glass swirl
>
> Lada,
>     Jamie     at JenniL@bellsouth.net


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The Boss EV-5 also works great but is quite a bit more expensive than
the Proel... I've got 3 EV-5's and am going to switch to Proel for my
next two...

Miko Biffle                                    "Running scared from
all the usual distractions..."
mbiffle@svg.com

>>> "Jenni Leeds"  09/26 9:20 PM >>>
    It seems that the archive is not working or that I'm doing
something wrong; all of my searches are coming up empty with subjects
as basic as "vortex" or "echoplex". What gives?
    Anyway, I know we've touched on this before but since I can't
seem to work a simple archive please forgive...
What are the best expression/volume pedals for the Lexicon Vortex?
I'd really like a wah-wah/volume/expression pedal if possible.
Is the Zoom EP01 a good choice? (I have an opportunity to get one
rather cheap.)
    I particularly remember a post by one D. Stagner, in which he
inquired about the "full sweep" of morphing capability and which pedal
best performs this?  I would prefer such a thing too.

Tambient anechoic chamber orchestratos flourescent torrential latent
atmosheric choir rain omni-portal sphere of broken glass swirl

Lada,
    Jamie     at JenniL@bellsouth.net


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Guys,

Looking for advice on hosting downloads and managing sales of the
independant label I'm in.

The script is :
- we are a label comprising of three artists
- we don't want our own website clogged up with a sales pitch, money
transaction, download hassle
- we would like to sell physical CDs AND we would also like to make charged
song downloads available
- we don't want to pay for the hosting service (other than a %age of the
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MP3.com seems to offer this - are there any hidden catches with us being a
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Also - who else hosts music for free (or a moderate cost if need be) ?

Hope you can help
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Interested in comments from anyone who has or has considered using the
Roland PK-5 in a MIDI effect and/or looping rig.

http://www.rolandus.com/PRODUCTS/MI/MI_KEY.HTM#PK-5

Also, does anyone know of a MIDI CC pedal that has a MIDI out right on the
pedal (i.e., not a volume or CV into a conversion box)? The folks on
alt.guitar.effects have so far come up with Digitech and Morley as possible
sources.

Since the PK-5 doesn't support expression pedals as far as I can tell
(although, you'd think one would be useful,) I thought I could put a MIDI
expression pedal in front of it, and allow it to merge the MIDI messages.

So what do you think? Does this sound like a good floor control rig? Or
should I go with the Roland FC-200, or even hold out for the elusive PMC-10?

Of course, it would look damn cool if I used BOTH the PK-5 and my ART X-15
at the same time! There would be no room left for me!

-- Mango --

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**** T.C. ELECTRONICS 2290 DELAY ****

Asking Price: US$1150
Condition: Mint
Age: 4 years
Description:

       mint condition 2290 delay unit. stock 1023 milsec. of delay. it you
want the best digital delay for guitar or other application, this is it. let
me know if
       you have any more questions.

Seller: charlie hitchcock, 805-564-8902
E-mail: charliehitchcock@hotmail.com (Profile)
Location: SANTA BARBARA, CA
Post Date: 9/27/99

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Can anyone tell me if the Morley Emerald Echo analog delay unit is good?
Musicians Friend has them on sale for $59 (list $199).  As far as analog
delays go, is this a quiet unit, or is it noisey?

Reply personally if you wish.

Thanks.
Best,
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Anyone ever tried this device out or used it for looping?  10 seconds of
mono delay and some other interesting features make it look tempting.  It
looks like it may have been discontinued (I may be wrong but its not
supported on Korg's site anymore and its $339 at ZZounds (list $600)).

Tapping the knowledgeable depths of LD once again

Kevin

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i'll sell you  soundforge 4.5 sound forge acid recycle rebirth cubase
vst all for 250.00 or 99.00 each   tesh@aol.com

dan sumner wrote:

> Can someone please tell me where I can find some free
> or cheap mastering software availible for download?
> Thanx
> PERMADAN
> __________________________________________________
> Do You Yahoo!?
> Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com



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are you a dealer? just curious...

ciao
leo

At 13.08 28/09/99 -0700, you wrote:
>i'll sell you  soundforge 4.5 sound forge acid recycle rebirth cubase
>vst all for 250.00 or 99.00 each   tesh@aol.com
>
>dan sumner wrote:
>
>> Can someone please tell me where I can find some free
>> or cheap mastering software availible for download?
>> Thanx
>> PERMADAN
>> __________________________________________________
>> Do You Yahoo!?
>> Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com
>
>
>
>
>

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nitesh patel wrote:
> 
> i'll sell you  soundforge 4.5 sound forge acid recycle rebirth cubase
> vst all for 250.00 or 99.00 each   
> 

With the licences, dongle, manuals etc...

come on 

you're sooo generous to sell what you don't own

I'll take it if you throw your computer in for 99.00

Claude

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>    It seems that the archive is not working or that I'm doing something =
>wrong; all of my searches are coming up empty with subjects as basic as =
>"vortex" or "echoplex". What gives?=20

The list archive is fine, but the search engine part is completely screwed
up. My ISP keeps coming up with new and creative ways to screw up my
account lately, this time destroying the search index file that the search
engine uses to find things in the archive. I have to rebuild the index to
get it to search the whole archive properly again. That might be a little
while cause it takes a long time to run (the archive is huge), so I have to
make special arrangements with the sysadmins so that the indexer can run
unfetterred without being killed off by my arch nemesis, the evil Process
Monitor. A big pain in the ass is what this past week of ISP hell has
amounted to.....

the list archive is also indexed by all the major search engine sites, so
you can probably search stuff in it using altavista or whatever, if you
come up with some key word to always hit the list archive.

kim

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If I were you I'd stick with free song downloads and selling the physical CDs.
Why would I want to pay money to download an audio file from your site when I
can get ten gazillion of them for free from MP3.com?  "Because our songs are
better" isn't enough incentive for me.  Bonus GIF downloads of psychedelic
mushroom hunting maps in central texas?  Maybe.

Most of the band sites I come across give free one-minute-or-so samples of
most of their songs, and maybe one or two full-length songs as freebies.
What's wrong with that?


----- Original Message -----
From: Anthony Mullen 
To: ; 
Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 1999 7:46 AM
Subject: 


> Guys,
>
> Looking for advice on hosting downloads and managing sales of the
> independant label I'm in.
>
> The script is :
> - we are a label comprising of three artists
> - we don't want our own website clogged up with a sales pitch, money
> transaction, download hassle
> - we would like to sell physical CDs AND we would also like to make charged
> song downloads available
> - we don't want to pay for the hosting service (other than a %age of the
> music cost)
>
> MP3.com seems to offer this - are there any hidden catches with us being a
> label?
>
> Also - who else hosts music for free (or a moderate cost if need be) ?
>
> Hope you can help
> Anthony


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I dunno if ascerbism is a proper response to this...  The MP3 market is in
its infancy at this time, and anyone who works with or for a music company
will tell you that They're scared to death of their own limited idea of what
MP3 "is".  Eventually they'll wake up though, and we'll all discover at some
point that "free" will eventually mean "promotional", with the intention of
being able to lure listeners into being purchasers.

I don't think ANY artist/musician would be in love with the idea of never
getting paid for the work they do, much less the art they produce.  And I
believe that the idea of all this being Free Forever is so Beyond Realistic
(and I don't mean Radio Shack) that some folks are going to wake up more
abruptly than others.  However!

MP3 as a format is a bit of a "future format", in that everyone (that is,
people outside the music industry and T1/T3 lines) doesn't yet have the kind
of high-speed access to make such downloads a constant habit.  In the future
no doubt this will change.  But for now, I consider it a viable way of
shaking up the Status Quo, in a positive way.  Most methods to shake things
up in the past have only offered the "shake", but not something to
potentially replace music publishing/handling as we know it.  MP3 might then
be seen as the tip of a peninsula, whose breadth and width are ultimately
unknown, especially since much of the established music industry has been
looking at it from afar, as an adversary, instead of a viable medium for
distribution.  It's only recently that the "listeners-to-purchasers" stream
has become other than an amateur path as far as they're concerned, but
there's still no real commitment on their part - so there's still room for
folks like us to push boundaries, and otherwise create and distribute our
own art, agents, managers, and other aging cigar-chompers notwithstanding.

I've posted two MP3's myself on the UBL system http://www.ubl.com - and have
gotten a good deal of feedback, mostly on the level of "where's the CD?" -
to the extent that, by the end of this year, I intend to release a CD
finally.  I recall comments by Francis Ford Coppola on this level, regarding
video (which I'm also working on for web release!); and I still feel a bit
warm inside when I think of him saying "...and one of these days, sometime
soon, some little girl will pick up her father's camcorder... and blow this
whole idea of 'professionalism' away once and for all..."  While it might
not exactly happen this way, most established folks in the music and film
industry (that is those who've been there for longer than a few years, the
ones in power per se) are beginning to think of it this way, which only
fuels the fire in this regard.  And that, too, is good for us, fellow
loopers.  Out of Chaos heroes are often seen from unexpected venues - but
this makes them heroes/heroines no less.

Subvert the Dominant Paradigm, YES.  But be prepared to have something great
to fill the void once you've done it.

Stephen Goodman       * It's the free Loop Of The Week!
EarthLight Productions * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios.html
*
(Hear the NEW "Star Spangled Banner" here!)

----- Original Message -----
From: american qabalah 
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> If I were you I'd stick with free song downloads and selling the physical
CDs.
> Why would I want to pay money to download an audio file from your site
when I
> can get ten gazillion of them for free from MP3.com?  "Because our songs
are
> better" isn't enough incentive for me.  Bonus GIF downloads of psychedelic
> mushroom hunting maps in central texas?  Maybe.
>
> Most of the band sites I come across give free one-minute-or-so samples of
> most of their songs, and maybe one or two full-length songs as freebies.
> What's wrong with that?
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Anthony Mullen 
> To: ; 
> Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 1999 7:46 AM
> Subject: 
>
>
> > Guys,
> >
> > Looking for advice on hosting downloads and managing sales of the
> > independant label I'm in.
> >
> > The script is :
> > - we are a label comprising of three artists
> > - we don't want our own website clogged up with a sales pitch, money
> > transaction, download hassle
> > - we would like to sell physical CDs AND we would also like to make
charged
> > song downloads available
> > - we don't want to pay for the hosting service (other than a %age of the
> > music cost)
> >
> > MP3.com seems to offer this - are there any hidden catches with us being
a
> > label?
> >
> > Also - who else hosts music for free (or a moderate cost if need be) ?
> >
> > Hope you can help
> > Anthony
>
>

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american qabalah wrote:
> 
> If I were you I'd stick with free song downloads and selling the physical CDs.
> Why would I want to pay money to download an audio file from your site when I
> can get ten gazillion of them for free from MP3.com?  

You could extend the reasoning here to say, "Why would I want to pay
money to go see [one of your favorite professional established artist
playing in a concert venue] when I can go to any number of clubs,
coffehouses and bars to see [unestablished/non-professional/highly
philanthropic artists] performing for no entry fee or cover charge?

Well, in both cases the answer depends on who exactly is charging a
price for their music.  If there's somebody you want to see in concert,
and they're charging a fee for entry, and you want to see them enough,
you'll pay the fee.  That's how things like tours, concerts, recordings,
rehearsals, gas, food, clothing, and shelter get paid for by
professional musicians.

> "Because our songs are
> better" isn't enough incentive for me. 

It may not be a question of automatically assuming that anything being
bought or sold is more worthwhile than anything being given away.  It
might be more of a case of someone trying to exercise their right to
profit from their work.  That's a right that many artists are happy to
forfeit simply for the sake of getting their music heard, and if they're
happy with that, then that's fine.  If someone ISN'T happy with the idea
of giving away their music, then that's ALSO fine.

Also keep in mind that the mechanics of setting up payment for downloads
is more involved than simply giving them away.  Yeah, everybody on
mp3.com is giving away their music, but mp3.com doesn't offer any means
by which they can sell downloads.  If they *did*, there would definitely
be people using the system.  Even if they charged some sort of fee to
the artist in order to finance the undertaking, people would still use
it.  

> Most of the band sites I come across give free one-minute-or-so samples of
> most of their songs, and maybe one or two full-length songs as freebies.
> What's wrong with that?

Nothing's wrong with that.  

But as direct downloading becomes a more and more commonplace means of
distribution (and believe me, it definitely will), you're going to see
people trying to launch careers (not just hobbies) largely through
online means.  As copy protection and sound quality improve, and as
bandwidth and download time increases, you'll see more and more
established artists charging some sort of fee for their work.  

Either that, or else you'll see more and more sponsorship of "free"
downloads or real-time streaming audio by various companies.  You think
paying one or two bucks to download a song is a drag?  Try streaming the
"free" new single by a big-time artist that's bookended by
fifteen-second ads for Pepsi, Levis, McDonald's, or some other sponsor
of choice.  

This isn't just a far-flung possibility -- this is the actual scenario
that was presented to me by a major label A&R representative who I spoke
to about the subject of online distribution a few months ago.  Why
should a label worry about encrypting or protecting a download when they
can set up a streaming-only link that anyone with a palm pilot or laptop
can access 24 hours a day?  

People will enjoy the freedom of being able to hear any song they want
any time they want for gree, and will get used to ads at the beginning
and end of streaming songs the same way they've gotten used to
commercial breaks on network TV or radio, sponsorship posters on artist
tours, and retail outlet co-op ads for new releases.

I don't know about you, but suddenly the idea of coughing up the price
of a soda or cup of coffee for a download that'll be paid directly to
the artist seems like a pretty good idea.  

Bottom line: People who make music for a living need to make a living. 
Money will be collected, if not from sale of the music, than from sale
of advertising surrounding the music.  It's great that hobbyists and
established artists alike are giving away free downloads, but that trend
shouldn't reflect poorly upon those who want to see a concrete return on
their online distribution.

--Andre

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In a message dated 27/09/99 17:05:46 GMT Daylight Time, mbiffle@svg.com 
writes:

> What are the best expression/volume pedals for the Lexicon Vortex?
Apart from the other stuff mentioned
there's the Bespeco VM 18L.
this vortexes perfectly, has reasonable price
and a switch to reverse the action of the pedal.

as it's made in Italy it may not be available in the americas

Andy Butler
Lexicon Vortex Database 
http://members.aol.com/soundfnr/vortex.htm 

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I still prefer having the whole package in my hand, art, lyrics, etc. And
until they put a terminal into my bathroom so I can surf the web while I do my
"business" I'll still keep dragging the "hardcopy" in with me. You wanna sell
a product without actually having a tangible product for sale, seems kinda
lame and a way to avoid "costs" and increase your "income" without providing a
interesting package that people can use and play outside of their "computer
rooms". You see, most ppl don't have RIO, and most ppl don't have cd-r's. So
what'r they gonna do with some internet stream if they wanna listen to your
music in the car?

I dunno, my two cents, information is pretty free in my world, and an mp3 is
just a flat-file with information waiting to be decoded by Winamp.

And in my opinion "online-distribution" isn't real work. Ton's of fools do it,
and some fools do it better than others. But the fact is they do it because of
the low overhead it requires, the manual labor is gone, so the idea that this
"flat-file" is an actual product is a larf to me.

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                                                           James R. Pearce
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>
>If I were you I'd stick with free song downloads and selling the physical
CDs.
>Why would I want to pay money to download an audio file from your site when
I
>can get ten gazillion of them for free from MP3.com?  "Because our songs
are
>better" isn't enough incentive for me.  Bonus GIF downloads of psychedelic
>mushroom hunting maps in central texas?  Maybe.
>
>Most of the band sites I come across give free one-minute-or-so samples of
>most of their songs, and maybe one or two full-length songs as freebies.
>What's wrong with that?

I don't want to rain on the parade, but the >most< popular (largest number
of downloads) unsigned band (i.e. - not snoop dog or any of the label
musicians ) at mp3.com has sold almost 600 copies of it's cd using this
method. Yes, 600. They've been with mp3 for over a year, if I remember
properly. There was an interview/article on Wired last month.

If you intend to get paid for your music:

a. send out demos and try to sign up with an established label who can
promote you or,
b. go out and be a starving musician playing in little clubs to get
attention

I am sure you are trying both options.

The mp3.com 'give them samples and sell cds' doesn't work. The 'pay for
download' doesn't work. The 'make it big on the internet' thing doesn't
work. Amazon and other online distribution channels are fine, but don't
expect them to bring you business - they can only deliver the product, they
can't bring you fans. This still has to be done the 'old fashioned' way -
clubbing, sending out promos, more clubbing, radio play, more clubbing and
word of mouth, and most importantly, a few hundred miracles.

I work for MSN LinkExchange. We do online promotion and advertising. ( If
anyone has a LinkExchange banner account, let me know your URL so I can
sneak you some credits ;> ;> ) I run Microsoft's online ecommerce hosting
and transaction system. I get to see a lot of people trying and failing to
set up successful businesses, because they don't understand what it takes to
create a successful online business. The odds of selling music online at a
profit are considerably weaker than theirs - it's a completely
over-saturated market with a medium-free product.

> Guys,
>
> Looking for advice on hosting downloads and managing sales of the
> independant label I'm in.
>
> The script is :
> - we are a label comprising of three artists

> - we don't want our own website clogged up with a sales pitch, money
> transaction, download hassle
> - we would like to sell physical CDs AND we would also like to make
charged
> song downloads available
> - we don't want to pay for the hosting service (other than a %age of the
> music cost)

No offense, but if you aren't able to cover a $30 dollar monthly overhead,
you'll find very few worthwhile takers.

One suggestion - http://billpoint.com - it's one of our competitors. The
provide an escrow service so that you don't have to pay for a merchant
account. Their service has no monthly fees, but they charge a vicious
percentage. They aren't a web host - you'll need one of those from somewhere
else, along with someone to actually build you site, if you can't do it
yourself. They also aren't a merchandising service - you'll need to do all
the actual shipping etc, too.

For promotion, http://www.linkexchange.com .

Good luck, Please let me know if I you have any questions you think I can
answer for you

>
> MP3.com seems to offer this - are there any hidden catches with us being a
> label?

What is the difference to them between you and any other three artists, from
their point of view? Since the big players use mp3.com, I think you are
fine.

>
> Also - who else hosts music for free (or a moderate cost if need be) ?

Your local isp should be able to help you - anyone can host streaming music.
You don't even need a RealAudio server, if you use the http streaming
method.

bIz

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James Pearce wrote:

> You wanna sell
> a product without actually having a tangible product for sale

Where's the tangible product when you go to a concert?  What do you have
that's tangible when you walk out of the venue (or for that matter, even
while you're in the venue?)  How tangible is the sound that comes out of
a commercially-produced, commercially bought-and-sold CD, and how is
that actual sound any more tangible than the sound coming out of a
downloaded soundfile?

That is what we're dealing with, after all -- sound.  That's why the
jewel box, CD, liner notes, packaging, et. al is there in the first
place.  

> seems kinda
> lame and a way to avoid "costs" and increase your "income" 

It's *absolutely* a way to avoid costs and increase income -- no need
for the quotation marks around those words.  

Look at it this way: in a standard major-label deal, an artist recieves
something less than $1.00 for every CD they sell.  (This is assuming
they actually manage to pay back the several-hundred-thousand dollar
debt they owe their record label for the recording of their album, which
is payed back via artist royalties).  If you're an artist on a label,
getting less than a buck for a CD that will probably be sold for
somewhere around $16.99 isn't a great deal.  And you'll only be looking
at getting that buck if you're one of the 3% of all artists whose album
sells more than *700* copies.

Maybe you're putting out a CD independently on your own.  You're still
looking at an investment of (at the very least) about $1,000 to get CDs
printed up, plus costs for artwork, printing, packaging, shipping and
handling.  You'll stand a better chance of recouping your investment if
you're making all the money off of sales, but it's still a considerable
investment to get the music in "hard copy" format.

On the other hand, let's say you're offering your music for sale via
download.  There'll be a small percentage taken out by the credit card
provider, and there'll be some sort of fee for your e-commerce provider
(for a few songs, probably somewhere in the neighborhood of $20-$30 a
month).  That's a considerably better deal for the artist.  

> without providing a
> interesting package that people can use and play outside of their "computer
> rooms". You see, most ppl don't have RIO, and most ppl don't have cd-r's. 

Fifteen years ago most people didn't have CD players or personal
computers, either.  Six years ago most people didn't have a web
browser.  Two years ago most people didn't have a DVD player.  These
things change.  And one of the main things that facilitates these
changes is products (like music downloads) being made available.  The
more demand and availability there is for a niche product, the more
likely that niche is to be filled.

> So
> what'r they gonna do with some internet stream if they wanna listen to your
> music in the car?

You can already buy portable RIO-type devices to play in your car.  As
more people get online and the availability of portable players
increases (and the prices drop), this will become more and more
commonplace.

Besides, let's say you're a major record label, owned by a large
corporation.  If you were looking at paid advertising for streaming
Internet audio on demand, wouldn't it be in your interest to prod other
divisions of your corporate umbrella into facilitating the technology,
and prod the customer into purchasing it?  
 
> I dunno, my two cents, information is pretty free in my world,

Is this the same world inhabited by the phone company you pay to get
online, the ISP that charges you for Internet access, the banner ads
that show up on countless Web sites, the corporations that own ISPs and
web sites, and the bandwidth availability that has to be paid for by
providers and users alike?  

What about the world in which artists have a copyright on their work,
and distributing copywritten material without consent (even if it's an
online form) is against the law (to say nothing of the ethical issue of
cheating the artist out of the right to profit from their work?)

> and an mp3 is
> just a flat-file with information waiting to be decoded by Winamp.

A CD is just a storage system for one's and zero's waiting to be decoded
by a laser.  And a cassette tape is just a series of magnetic particles
waiting to be decoded by a playback head.

> And in my opinion "online-distribution" isn't real work. Ton's of fools do it,
> and some fools do it better than others. But the fact is they do it because of
> the low overhead it requires, the manual labor is gone, so the idea that this
> "flat-file" is an actual product is a larf to me.

Music is sound.  Sound is a fundamentally "intangible" thing.  But the
sound waves that come out of a Winamp-decoded flat-file is no more or
less "tangible" than the ones coming out of a CD player or turntable. 
Yes, the sound quality is not quite up to par at the present moment. 
That's already changing at an alarming rate.  Yes, not that many people
own portable sound file players or CD-R burners.  That too is changing.  

And yes, eliminating the costs and logistics of manufacturing a physical
product has some very attractive elements for a prospective label or
artist.  By offering music for download, you're eliminating the
following chain of circumstances:

-- Pressing up the CDs,

-- trying to get a distributor to take on that product,

-- selling that product to the distributor

-- trying to get the distributor to sell the product to an actual retail
outlet,

-- getting the retail outlet to actually sell the item,

-- trying to get the distributor to pay you for product sold to a retail
outlet, 

-- hoping that the distributor won't wind up billing you for CDs which
might be returned to the distributor by the retail outlet after they've
been sitting on the shelf collecting dust for several months

-- making, in the best-case scenario, a few dollars off of a product
with a current average in-store retail price that's scraping at the edge
of $20.

Personally, the idea of eliminating all of the middle-men and logistical
costs from this equation is damned exciting to me.  Sorry if it's
nothing more than a larf (to use your term) to you.  Hopefully you won't
look too unkindly upon people who are interested in empowering
themselves and thinking in terms of where things are going instead of
where they are right now.

--Andre

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> The mp3.com 'give them samples and sell cds' doesn't work. The 'pay for
> download' doesn't work. The 'make it big on the internet' thing doesn't
> work...

The above would seem to be the popular opinion of the established
brick-and-mortar music biz bunch.  I find it difficult to accept ANY
prediction as to how the future fares for online music promotion/sales, most
especially since it's still an industry in its infancy - and for the most
part developing without the assistance of the established biz.  Therefore I
can't accept a wholesale dismissal of this process-in-development.

> If you intend to get paid for your music:
>
> a. send out demos and try to sign up with an established label who can
promote you or,
> b. go out and be a starving musician playing in little clubs to get
attention

...This would seem to be more of the same.  I'm sure quite a lot of folks in
the established music biz would prefer it if we all just went away, or
signed up with them as if it were the only way to do business.

> they can only deliver the product, they can't bring you fans.

This is normal.  Unless one wants to go the road as in the "intend to get
paid" section, an equally established method of going broke by the way, the
Artist in Specific (and not just formerly known as...) should take part in
promotion of his or her work.  The huge difference with respect to the
Internet as medium is that one doesn't have to have a great set of kneepads
(for the purpose of begging some cigar-chomper to listen to your work), nor
is it necessary to pay an agent to get your work heard.

I think the big questions would be:

* Do artists wish to do business the way the folks we would rather not do
business with do, or establish a new channel for this altogether, one that
at least initially promises a freedom from the artificial restraints we've
come to know and accept?

* Is our intent as artists to make piles of money via huge venues that
require our "fans" to pay $40 a ticket?  Are most folks aware that Stadium
Rock as such uses a fairly new, and quite fragile, economic model, one that
needn't be followed in order to eventually have satisfaction on a
rent-paying and artistically-fulfilling level?

I'm sure none of us would prefer to just play coffee houses forever.  But
given the new aspect that the Internet brings to our own niches, we'd be
foolish at best to ignore it, and go on as if it will never make a
difference.

******************

And now a word about LinkExchange.  I've been a banner "partner" for as long
as it's been available, and frankly it's not been anything close to an
assistance to me in getting folks to my site.  It's generally been discussed
in the press how little banners work in this regard; I've debated taking
mine off altogether for some time, since it's probably more of a help to the
people who pay LinkExchange than the people who don't.  End run, it comes up
tasting like a vampiric process that pretends to benefit the banner
advertiser, while helping the paying advertisers - and LinkExchange - quite
a bit more than You, The Little Guy.  It still remains to be seen just how
much of a help a banner is to folks like us.  As a matter of fact, the idea
is quite a bit less established as a benefit than online promotion and sales
of music, much less MP3 files.

Stephen Goodman       * It's the free Loop Of The Week!
EarthLight Productions * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios.html
*
(Hear the NEW "Star Spangled Banner" here!)

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Sorry I'm replying so late, just got back from Europe.  I find block
diagrams really useful.  It's always interesting to see other people's
set-ups.  QRD magazine used to have them in every issue and so does Sound
Collector.  I have some diagrams up of some of my set ups (they are
different for every show) on my website:

http://www.intonarumori.com/set-up.html


Kevin Goldsmith				kevin@unitcircle.com
Unit Circle Media			http://www.unitcircle.com/

On Wed, 8 Sep 1999, David Myers wrote:

> Dpcoffin's Illustrator gear block diagram is an example of one of the
> things I love about this endeavor.  I use Illustrator myself, but I suppose
> it's overkill for those who aren't graphics professionals.
> 
> I think a terrific addition to the Looper's Delight site would be a
> collection of just such diagrams; looping flowcharts are at least as
> pertinent to loop technique as any details about loop devices themselves,
> IMO.  What do you think, Kim?  Or whomever could set up such a thing?  I'm
> not quite web-invested enough to even keep my own site in motion, so I
> don't volunteer, but if anyone wants to swap block diagrams of their
> current loop layouts, I have my own (quite the poor cousin of DPC's--his
> gives me heavy G.A.S.) in Illustrator, and I can save/send as GIF, JPEG, or
> whatever.  One of the things I'll have to get around to putting at my
> site....
> 
> David Myers
> 
> ><<  I am interested in the thread regarding signal path/
> > gear setup-  >>
> >
> >so am i.......i think this would be most helpfull..........michael
> 
> 
> 

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James R. Pearce wrote:
>And in my opinion "online-distribution" isn't real work. Ton's of fools do it,
>and some fools do it better than others. But the fact is they do it because of
>the low overhead it requires, the manual labor is gone, so the idea that this
>"flat-file" is an actual product is a larf to me.

wait a tick, this is a musician's list and you think that the value of
a musical product has something to do with the *manual labour* you put
into it?!?

I'm listening right now to Ella singing Gershwin.  Gershwin wasn't doing
manual labour at this point, he was scribbling little dots on paper
and giving it to the right people and making a lot of money (deservedly).

We are selling an information product, period.  Anything that gets in the
way is irrelevant, a good exercise for your personal Zen at best.

	/t

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In a message dated 99-09-28 11:41:07 EDT, you write:

<< 
 Also, does anyone know of a MIDI CC pedal that has a MIDI out right on the
 pedal (i.e., not a volume or CV into a conversion box)? The folks on
 alt.guitar.effects have so far come up with Digitech and Morley as possible
 sources.
  >>

There is definitely a Digitech MiDI footcontroller, I saw one yesterday. It's 
black and it looks like one of there WHammy II pedals but slightly smaller. 
It looks marvelously simple, with two knobs - one to select MIDI channel, and 
 the other to select a CC value. The pedal has a decent travel and a good 
feel. It was selling for $125.00  I didn't catch the  model number but if you 
bug me about it I can call and ask.

eric p
echo park

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> You could extend the reasoning here to say, "Why would I want to pay
> money to go see [one of your favorite professional established artist
> playing in a concert venue] when I can go to any number of clubs,
> coffehouses and bars to see [unestablished/non-professional/highly
> philanthropic artists] performing for no entry fee or cover charge?

I would want to pay more to go to one of the established artists, because they
most likely will put on a bigger, badder, better show with more energy and a
few thousand more screaming fans to pump my adrenalin.  Plus, I've probably
already heard their music and own their CDs.  So here's the formula:   I would
*pay* more because I would expect to *get* more.

On the other hand, the philosophy of selling MP3 files on the net is "pay
more, get less".  Way less quality than a CD, and very-much likely likely less
per-item value ($15.95 for a 12-song CD is about $1.30 per song - beat that).

Now when everyone is on cablemodem, or ASL, or some other
bandwidth/high-volume storage revolution hits the net, then we can talk about
downloading albums for money.  At that time it might be even more painless
than going to the record store.  But until then if you want to catch me buying
music you'll find me at Rasputin Records with my Visa card and a smile.
Unless I can't find it there, then I'll order the music off the web and wait
two weeks for the CD to arrive.

Anyway, how am I supposed to know?  Good luck making your millions selling
per-charge MP3 files.  Just not on my credit card.


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any users have any comments on this unit?

it looks whacky from the parameters map on Symetrix's Web site and I've a
line on one . . .

the alternative is one of the Korg SDD delays--I already have a Vortex, but
it seems the 606 will do alot more

thanks in advance,


Tom Lambrecht
hideo@concentric.net


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> I don't think ANY artist/musician would be in love with the idea of never
> getting paid for the work they do, much less the art they produce.  And I
> believe that the idea of all this being Free Forever is so Beyond Realistic
> (and I don't mean Radio Shack) that some folks are going to wake up more
> abruptly than others.  However!

The issue is not whether it's romantic for a society to starve its artists to
death, it's one of simple business.  You can't make money selling tapwater
when everyone in your neighborhood is paying their utility bill.  Call me a
stick in the mud but I don't think people are lining up at the concept of
paying on per-download basis for cassette-tape-quality MP3 files when they can
get tens of thousands of them right now at no charge - especially when even at
no charge they have to wait five-to-ten minutes downloading a four-minute
song.

I could be wrong.  Go ahead and try.  I'm just saying, I don't exactly have my
credit card in hand waiting with bated breath until you get your site up.

One more point.  Don't knock Free.  Free is a very lucrative way of making
money on the Internet right now.  Paradox?  Hotmail, NetMail, FreeMail, Yahoo,
Excite, Snap, GoTo, Geocities, Xoom, ICQ, MP3, AltaVista, AOL Instant
Messenger, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera.  Hotmail sold for what, four hundred
million dollars?  The minute Yahoo starts charging for web searches is the
minute Yahoo files chapter 11.  How many people have a subscription to the
online oxford english dictionary?  I personally use webster's 3rd Edition at a
whopping $0.00 per hit.  Free is good.  Free is our friend.  Free makes me
happy.

Now "you* deserve to make lots of cold, hard cash for what you do.  Believe
me, I know.  You work hard for your money.  So hard for it, honey.  You don't
have to tell me.  A workman is worthy of his hire, and that's even from the
Bible and everything.  No, what I'm talking about is bad business.

Now you may be the marketing/business supragenius who revolutionizes the
charge-per-download MP3 market.  I'm just saying that Free is hard to beat in
a price war.  And it looks like Free is going to be here - maybe not forever,
but at least for a while.  MP3.com is worth how many scores, or hundreds, of
millions?  They're not going south any time soon.  And frankly, I kind of like
it.  No one is more desirable than when they're giving things away.

For free.

So anyway, you know what you're up against.  Go for it.  I mean, after all,
it's a free market.

Tim



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steven goodman said:

 "I don't think ANY artist/musician would be in love with the idea of never
getting paid for the work they do, much less the art they produce." 

i think the last time i was paid for my "art" was playing for a small dinner 
party sometime in 1973.....and steven is correct, i am not "in love with the 
idea of never getting paid for the WORK....." this makes me wonder, why do i 
put so much time and energy and money into this thing we call music?......i 
think it simply is that i  must.........if i go for a few days and not "play" 
i get weird, i believe the confusion is in the two words....WORK and 
PLAY......its the old "if a tree falls in the forest......" bit........am i 
any less a musician if i am not paid for my product........dont get me wrong, 
it would be more than sweet to never leave my little studio but if im not 
working, im playing..........i promise, no more coffee after ten at 
nite...........:).....michael

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american qabalah wrote:

> The issue is not whether it's romantic for a society to starve its artists to
> death, it's one of simple business.  You can't make money selling tapwater
> when everyone in your neighborhood is paying their utility bill.  

The reason I'm not convinced by this argument is that it makes the
assumption that *ANY* free download is going to be preferable to *ANY*
for-sale download.  It's like saying, "Why would a person shell out
$17.99 for a new CD when there are plenty of good CDs to be had at the
used store for a fraction of the price?"  

> Now "you* deserve to make lots of cold, hard cash for what you do.  Believe
> me, I know.  You work hard for your money.  So hard for it, honey.  You don't
> have to tell me.  

I'm not sure where this nasty sarcasm is coming from, but I am sure it's
not necessary to make your point.

> Now you may be the marketing/business supragenius who revolutionizes the
> charge-per-download MP3 market.  I'm just saying that Free is hard to beat in
> a price war.  

But again, you're making the connection that any particular MP3 for sale
is going to be of equal interest and/or value to any particular free
download, for any particular listener.  Two different pieces of music
are not the same thing, and they're not going to have equal value to any
particular listener. 

Here's an example: after two years of working in record stores I had
accumulated about 200 promo CDs -- those are free CDs that stores get
from labels, which wind up getting passed on to their employees.  Now
some of those promos were music I was excited to get.  Others I grabbed
out of idle curiosity.  Still others were taken as spare jewel boxes or
high-tech vanity mirrors.

But you know what?  Even when I was getting free promo CDs as a record
store employee, I was still buying CDs.  Why would I buy CDs when I can
get plenty of free ones on a regular basis?  Well, maybe I couldn't get
what I wanted for free.  Would you rather have a free MP3 that you don't
like or a purchased MP3 that you do like?  

> No one is more desirable than when they're giving things away. 
> For free.

As opposed to giving things away for a price?
 
> So anyway, you know what you're up against.  Go for it.  I mean, after all,
> it's a free market.

Cute.

--Andre

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-----Message d'origine-----
De : Unit Circle Media 
À : Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com 
Date : mercredi 29 septembre 1999 02:21
Objet : Re: Paint Me a Picture


>Sorry I'm replying so late, just got back from Europe.  I find block
>diagrams really useful.  It's always interesting to see other people's
>set-ups.  QRD magazine used to have them in every issue and so does Sound
>Collector.  I have some diagrams up of some of my set ups (they are
>different for every show) on my website:
>
>http://www.intonarumori.com/set-up.html
>
>
>Kevin Goldsmith kevin@unitcircle.com
>Unit Circle Media http://www.unitcircle.com/
>
>On Wed, 8 Sep 1999, David Myers wrote:
>
>> Dpcoffin's Illustrator gear block diagram is an example of one of the
>> things I love about this endeavor.  I use Illustrator myself, but I
suppose
>> it's overkill for those who aren't graphics professionals.
>>
>> I think a terrific addition to the Looper's Delight site would be a
>> collection of just such diagrams; looping flowcharts are at least as
>> pertinent to loop technique as any details about loop devices themselves,
>> IMO.  What do you think, Kim?  Or whomever could set up such a thing?
I'm
>> not quite web-invested enough to even keep my own site in motion, so I
>> don't volunteer, but if anyone wants to swap block diagrams of their
>> current loop layouts, I have my own (quite the poor cousin of DPC's--his
>> gives me heavy G.A.S.) in Illustrator, and I can save/send as GIF, JPEG,
or
>> whatever.  One of the things I'll have to get around to putting at my
>> site....
>>
>> David Myers
>>
>> ><<  I am interested in the thread regarding signal path/
>> > gear setup-  >>
>> >
>> >so am i.......i think this would be most helpfull..........michael
>>
>>
>>
>
>

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At 11:10 AM -0700 9/26/99, Stephen Goodman wrote:

>I hope it's not necessary to unsubscribe just to get rid of the =
>electronica spam we've all been getting this week.  Kim, if you've any =
>tips how to take ourselves off the rogue mailing list that's attached =
>itself to LD, please inform.  It's getting a bit much!
>

I suppose this is happening to some of you, so I'll tell you what I think
is going on.

People who have been on the list for longer than a year-and-a-half probably
received a bunch of spams recently that appeared to be posts to this list.
Funny thing is, they weren't posted to the list. In fact, the Looper's
Delight list server blocks any posts from addresses not subscribed to the
list.

If you look closely at those spams, you'll see that they actually came from
slip.net, the incompetent ISP where I originally started Looper's Delight
years ago. A year and a half ago, I got so fed up with their pathetic
"service" that I cancelled the looper accounts and moved the whole shebang
to another ISP called Alabanza.com. So we've trucked along there ever since.

Now all of a sudden, these spams show up. It seems that the morons at
slip.net either never deleted the old mailing list, or they reactivated it
for some reason. Some clever spam-hacker has figured this out, and
discovered he could send out his spam by addressing them to lists he's
found on the slip.net server. The spams go out to the list subscriber list
from a year and a half ago. I don't have any access to it, so I don't have
any control over the mess. I did contact slip.net and asked them to please
delete the old lists. Presumably they will screw this task up, so please
feel free to launch malicious internet hack attacks on them if you see
another such spam.

And if you think Stephen here sounds peeved, its nothing compared to the
people who unsubscribed long ago and now find themselves getting spammed by
Looper's Delight. Boy, did I get a mailbox full of that!

Sorry about the trouble, I'm doing what I can to fix it, wish I could do more.

(slip.net also figured out a way to bill my credit card $75 recently for
another account that I cancelled many months ago. Now they claim I never
cancelled it and refuse to undo the charge. So if any of you wants to
launch cracker attacks on slip.net, or perhaps leave large amounts of
explosives in their lobby, you have my permission.)

kim

______________________________________________________________________
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Hey Rang owners,

  We now have a great fitted gig bag for the Rang. It's made of dense
Nylon Cordura and is heavily padded. Inside there's a pocket for the
power supply and a divider down the middle. The Rang goes on one side
and cables or stomp boxes go on the other. It has long handles so it can
be carried on your shoulder if desired. There are two zippers to close
it up. The bag is black with our Boomerang logo on the side in yellow.
  Of course it's made in Texas, USA. The cost is $39.00 plus $5.00 for
shipping and handling. Send a money order or cashiers check, along with
a "ship to" address to the address below.
  We now return to our regularly scheduled looping topic...

-- 
Mike Nelson

Boomerang Musical Products         800-530-4699
PO Box 541595                      214-343-1038, Fax
Dallas, TX  75354-1595             mnelson@dmans.com, email

http://www.boomerangmusic.com

"Some products make you sound better;
 the Boomerang Phrase Sampler makes you play better."

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Holy Investigative Process, JamMan! :)  

It makes a good deal of sense, too.  'Tanks, Kim!

Stephen Goodman       * It's the free Loop Of The Week!
EarthLight Productions * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios.html
*
(Hear the NEW "Star Spangled Banner" here!)

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Thanks for the advice so far. 

Footnote : Alot of people love their own voice and it makes a
self-titallating buzzy reverberation in their own head - that's cool but you
tend to mishear things all the time.

We intend to do internet sales as a backup to human tangible stuff - we just
don't want to have business stuff on our web site.

Thanks for those with the facts.


> ----------
> From: 	Andre LaFosse[SMTP:altruist@earthlink.net]
> Sent: 	29 September 1999 06:29
> To: 	Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
> Subject: 	Re: 
> 
> american qabalah wrote:
> 
> > The issue is not whether it's romantic for a society to starve its
> artists to
> > death, it's one of simple business.  You can't make money selling
> tapwater
> > when everyone in your neighborhood is paying their utility bill.  
> 
> The reason I'm not convinced by this argument is that it makes the
> assumption that *ANY* free download is going to be preferable to *ANY*
> for-sale download.  It's like saying, "Why would a person shell out
> $17.99 for a new CD when there are plenty of good CDs to be had at the
> used store for a fraction of the price?"  
> 
> > Now "you* deserve to make lots of cold, hard cash for what you do.
> Believe
> > me, I know.  You work hard for your money.  So hard for it, honey.  You
> don't
> > have to tell me.  
> 
> I'm not sure where this nasty sarcasm is coming from, but I am sure it's
> not necessary to make your point.
> 
> > Now you may be the marketing/business supragenius who revolutionizes the
> > charge-per-download MP3 market.  I'm just saying that Free is hard to
> beat in
> > a price war.  
> 
> But again, you're making the connection that any particular MP3 for sale
> is going to be of equal interest and/or value to any particular free
> download, for any particular listener.  Two different pieces of music
> are not the same thing, and they're not going to have equal value to any
> particular listener. 
> 
> Here's an example: after two years of working in record stores I had
> accumulated about 200 promo CDs -- those are free CDs that stores get
> from labels, which wind up getting passed on to their employees.  Now
> some of those promos were music I was excited to get.  Others I grabbed
> out of idle curiosity.  Still others were taken as spare jewel boxes or
> high-tech vanity mirrors.
> 
> But you know what?  Even when I was getting free promo CDs as a record
> store employee, I was still buying CDs.  Why would I buy CDs when I can
> get plenty of free ones on a regular basis?  Well, maybe I couldn't get
> what I wanted for free.  Would you rather have a free MP3 that you don't
> like or a purchased MP3 that you do like?  
> 
> > No one is more desirable than when they're giving things away. 
> > For free.
> 
> As opposed to giving things away for a price?
>  
> > So anyway, you know what you're up against.  Go for it.  I mean, after
> all,
> > it's a free market.
> 
> Cute.
> 
> --Andre
> 

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For me music is a centering device putting me in touch with myself and in 
tune with a larger Universal flow or Tao.  Music is a Practice, a tool to 
communicate.  My highest moments in this life have been sharing that musical 
experience with my fellow earthlings.  Pay has come once in awhile but it's 
not my main focus.  Pay would be great but until that ship comes in I'll 
settle for being in the flow and keeping that creative mystery alive.  Om 
and Out...Papa Dave


>From: Nemoguitt@aol.com
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>Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 01:00:13 EDT
>
>steven goodman said:
>
>  "I don't think ANY artist/musician would be in love with the idea of 
>never
>getting paid for the work they do, much less the art they produce."
>
>i think the last time i was paid for my "art" was playing for a small 
>dinner
>party sometime in 1973.....and steven is correct, i am not "in love with 
>the
>idea of never getting paid for the WORK....." this makes me wonder, why do 
>i
>put so much time and energy and money into this thing we call music?......i
>think it simply is that i  must.........if i go for a few days and not 
>"play"
>i get weird, i believe the confusion is in the two words....WORK and
>PLAY......its the old "if a tree falls in the forest......" bit........am i
>any less a musician if i am not paid for my product........dont get me 
>wrong,
>it would be more than sweet to never leave my little studio but if im not
>working, im playing..........i promise, no more coffee after ten at
>nite...........:).....michael
>

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Ok, I give in to the bloatedness of this all. I'll play my "opinion" card
(which is a valid option), and let you feel some fleeting fame, cause quite
honestly I don't have the time to nit-pick your reply, much less read it all.

To just touch on your first question about tangibility of live music. Gimme a
mp3 that sweats and poors, in front of your face, out emotional energy that
equals the greatest of live performances (which, it would seem for most
"musicians", is the best venue). The aspect of being there for the performance
alone makes it a more "tangible product".

I just don't see my friends and family coming up to me saying "hey, listen to
this, after this RealAudio commercial, oh and this CNET one, yeah listen to
this song, it only cost me $3 to listen to!!"

   _______________________________________________________________________
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						      jamesrp@statenet.com

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I understand what american.quabalah is saying, but here's the deal,
at least as far as I'm dealing with this:

My site is not selling MP3 files.  The MP3 files on my site are
free of charge.  It's like pushers giving away free samples.  I'm
hoping some of you will get addicted, but there are no guarantees.

You download the files, if you like 'em then you buy a CD from me
and everybody's happy, hopefully.

What's to stop someone from converting the MP3 files back into AIFF
files and burning their own?  My encoder I'm using munges the files
in such a way that reverse encoding makes them sound HORRIBLE.
 
I found this out by accident, but it's kind of like insurance.  Sure,
you could record the analog out from your computer into a tape 
recorder or soundcard, but why torture yourself?  I'm not here to
sell product for $18.98 like the labels want to now.  I anticipate
my CD (e.t.a. spring 2000 or thereabouts) will be more along the
lines of Best Buy style pricing).

I like to buy CDs as much as the next guy, but the MP3 scene has
existed for at least four years now and it's a lot more widespread
than you think it is.  There were a lot of early adopters, most 
were using this to set-up 'pirate' audio servers, but others were
using it to encode their own music for world-wide distribution.

In fact, some of these guys actually came up with an idea to 
create a compilation of their own music.  They never met face
to face, they did the music, and now they've pressed a CD and
it's available for purchase.

I'll say this: I got a LOT more attention for my music from the net
than I ever did gigging in this town (Minneapolis).  I played in 
enough dives where guys with deformed hands admired my playing, 
but were more concerned with getting back to their drink than 
buying product.

Now I've gotten rave reviews for my stuff worldwide.  I actually have
testimonials people have sent me up on my page (if you want to see 
them check out http://www.waste.org/~crash/asb.html).  

The best I could manage gigging live was that another guitar player
from a band we were playing said I sounded kind of like Steve Howe
(which was a nice compliment, but I think I sound nothing like him).

It sure didn't sell any product, which we didn't really have at the
time anyway.

One of the assertions made is that MP3 files sound like bad cassette
audio tapes.  I have to disagree there since it all depends on encoding
rates and the type of encoder used.

If you really want to go for quality sound, you can go for MP2, but
MP3 is very capable of sounding good.  Check out this site at: 
http://www.raum.com/mpeg for comparisons of various players/encoders.

-first of all, the mp3 files on my download site are of a much higher
 resolution than your typical 128 kbps files that most people are 
 putting on their sites.  This is a minimum of 160 kbps and I've also
 experimented with very high resolution 384 kbps files.  You cannot 
 tell the difference from the original at that point.  I've gone back
 forth on this figuring that if the downloadable version has no real
 difference between the original then nobody would want the original.
 Also, lower resolution files take much less time to download.  I may
 just offer a handful of lower resolution samples to make it easier
 on people and then one high-res sample, but not so high-res that there
 is no difference between the original and it.

-the 128 kbps mp3 files you typically hear are encoded using shareware
 encoders at 128 kbps.  You'll hear artifacting of the stereo soundstage
 as well as weird phasing effects.  Ick.  Sometimes it's enough, though,
 to give you an idea of what you'd get as a full range recording.  I've
 heard 8-bit Sun .au files at 11 khz sampling rate give me an idea that
 I want a particular track.

Downloading MP3 files on the net might not make anyone rich, but the
downloading of free samples might get you attention somewhere and 
maybe someone in Atlanta or Tokyo might want your disc.

You owe it to yourself to bypass the soul sucking machinery of the
large record labels.

-Todd

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I was speaking about the creation of sites for distribution, as opposed to,
yes even your Gershwin example will apply, meeting people and colaborating on
music, but the distribution in general. The "personality" that music has is
lost in alot of ways through this almost "pay to play" series of events.
Everyone has their own idea of how to play music, as well as how to make money
off of it, the latter of which has never been my motivation. Which again, is
the basis for opinion. Not a guideline for all.

On Tue, 28 Sep 1999, Tom Ritchford wrote:

|I'm listening right now to Ella singing Gershwin.  Gershwin wasn't doing
|manual labour at this point, he was scribbling little dots on paper
|and giving it to the right people and making a lot of money (deservedly).
|
|We are selling an information product, period.  Anything that gets in the
|way is irrelevant, a good exercise for your personal Zen at best.
|
|	/t
|
|

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						      jamesrp@statenet.com

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>Gimme an mp3 that sweats and pours, in front of your face, out 
>emotional energy that
>equals the greatest of live performances

apples and oranges!  CDs don't pour sweat either.

the question is, will internet delivery eventually replace CDs?  and the
answer is of course.

as someone exaggerated once, "newspapers won't just be obsolete, they'll
be illegal!" due to the consumption of resources.


more important, will this come soon enough to affect us?  dunno, but
spending a little time and effort on the topic can't be a bad gamble.

	/t

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hey todd -

what software are you using to encode? the munging sounds like a nice
thing.

bobdog

Todd Madson wrote:

>  My encoder I'm using munges the files
> in such a way that reverse encoding makes them sound HORRIBLE.
>
> I found this out by accident, but it's kind of like insurance.

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Kevin -

I have one of these.  I have not used it for Looping however, just for some
odd and stereo delay effects I've created.

There is a lot of tweakability built into the device.  I had hoped it could
replace my Korg SDD2000.  But alas, the digital DL8000 sine/triangle and
square waveforms are not as even and smooth as on the analog SDD2000.

My biggest gripes with the DL8000 are:

1) Damn noisy device -- which really supprised me.  Hitting bypass really
shows up how noisy the thing is...

2) Odd "ball and chain" placement of the transformer two-thirds of the way
down the power chord, which is a bit of a bother for me as I rack-mount my
stuff for gigs and such.

That said, for the money there are some neato effects, and having a delay
that thinks and presents beats per minute delay times makes for easier
real-time synchonization with other things.

David Kirkdorffer



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Anyone ever tried this device out or used it for looping?  10 seconds of
mono delay and some other interesting features make it look tempting.  It
looks like it may have been discontinued (I may be wrong but its not
supported on Korg's site anymore and its $339 at ZZounds (list $600)).

Tapping the knowledgeable depths of LD once again

Kevin

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You must have meant "an MP3 that sweats and pours, in front of..." right?

  | -----Original Message-----
  | From: James Pearce [mailto:jamesrp@statenet.com]
  | Sent: Wednesday 29 September 1999 6:26 AM
  | To: Andre LaFosse
  | Cc: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
  | Subject: Re: Paying for downloads (was:Re: ) (fwd)
  | 
  | To just touch on your first question about tangibility of live 
  | music. Gimme a
  | mp3 that sweats and poors, in front of your face, out emotional 
  | energy that
  | equals the greatest of live performances (which, it would seem for most
  | "musicians", is the best venue). The aspect of being there for 
  | the performance
  | alone makes it a more "tangible product".

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sorry you are having troubs, but could you get us off the list asap? My 
credit card will be billed that too, fore we pay .10 online and to flash all 
these 80 emails a day is getting outrageous! (we don't have local provider as 
near canada in woods!) please please help!
thanks, deb

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MP3 is awful as an audio file format and incredible as a means to encourage (although a
miserable term under any circumstances, for the purposes of this discussion, let's call
them/us) consumers to reassess their relationship with the supposed  of cultural
production -- without MP3, all prior talk concerning "the Internet=the end of the music
industry" was talk and talk alone. No encryption will ever be "secure" and SDMI will be
the 8-track tape of the aughties, the concerns which gave rise to this Initiative
reflecting the "home taping" non-scandals of the 70's and 80's. CD will give way to DVD
will give way to 128-bit resolution of digital waveform emulation will give way to
1024-bit resolution of digital waveform emulation will give way to meta-Gaussian
"dithering" to smooth out the bumps along the roughly sinusoid path. These phenomena will
change, once more, what our relationship to sound and its recorded manifestation(s) are
all about, with all the implications of such a change, not the least of which among these
a changed sense of what constitutes the "authentic"; in less than a generation, younger
instrumentalists who have never heard of (for example) 45s will prefer their online
recorded work to live performance because it "sounds better," more "real".

Or not. There is, of course, the matter of sustenance...

The Internet has so much more potential as a progressively enhanced multimedia
infrastructure and node of continuous, hyper-relational engagement than a sorta cool
information transfer protocol that simply surrenders to market forces that want to make
it nothing less than a mall that arrives in your rumpus room via HTTP and a bonaroo,
branded return-on-investment (Andre LaFosse's revelation of Industry plans for "sponsored
streams" is as horrifying as it is predictable). However, debating the
philosophico-practical merits of various "solutions" to (presumably) independent online
music distribution seems to ignore the fact that there _are_ many solutions to having
one's music heard in the early years of the Online Age and each solution can address
different concentrations of need -- to say nothing of "want" -- for the musician/composer
in question.

So, since this all went off-topic from Anthony Mullen's initial inquiry, here's wee
Jimmy's reply, mindful of the foregoing prolegomenon:


> Guys,
>
> Looking for advice on hosting downloads and managing sales of the
> independant label I'm in.
>
> The script is :
> - we are a label comprising of three artists
> - we don't want our own website clogged up with a sales pitch, money
> transaction, download hassle
> - we would like to sell physical CDs AND we would also like to make charged
> song downloads available
> - we don't want to pay for the hosting service (other than a %age of the
> music cost)

Let's hit "pause" for a moment...you "don't want our own website clogged up with a sales
pitch, money
transaction, download hassle" while you would "like to make charged song downloads
available". This is a contradiction which may not be able to be synthesized into a
solution, unless, of course, you want to run with an "Industry leader"...

>
> MP3.com seems to offer this - are there any hidden catches with us being a
> label?

No catches and no money, either. With hosting services running at $19.95 a month, with
MP3 and SSL capabilities, why not get both the big download and the cash money by doing
both -- i.e., post tracks to MP3.com and sell CDs from your site, diachronically-like? If
you don't want the "hassle," by all means give up running an independent label, which is
nothing but hassle, plus the occasional sale.

>
> Also - who else hosts music for free (or a moderate cost if need be) ?

How about...you?

And, what is wee Jimmy's on-line "solution"? Patience...

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	I don't know.  I've always admired how bands like Pink Floyd and Genesis,
The Beatles, et al, they end up making me buy their albums all over again.
Genesis just rereleased all their albums in CD form with all the original
artwork intact, but at CD size.  How can I refuse that?  I must have
purchased "Dark Side of the Moon" and "Band on the Run" about seven times
over.  I got them original, reissues, 10th anniversary, 20th anniversary,
25th anniversary, etc., etc.  Each one is different and has some "goodie"
that was too good to pass up.  I can't imagine what the hell they'll do for
2003, the 30th!  Some DVD thing no less.
	When CDs go out of style, they'll have invented a DVD that contains their
whole album collection up to that point, but with all the original videos or
shorts from the period, and all possible interviews to be seen and heard,
and lots of artwork, etc.  I will not refuse that.
	What we thought of in the 70s as an "album" doesn't exist today.  But we
buy the "enhanced" CDs.  When CDs aren't around anymore, there will sure be
some "package" with "extra" stuff that will make it impossible to ignore.
	If it was music alone, all those reissues wouldn't sell at all.  Popular,
rock, even experimental or electronic music, they all need the packaging,
the "image," the "stuff."  Without it, there sure is something missing.  I'm
all for downloaded music, but it's not just music alone.  Like someone said,
hey, in the bathroom, the extra "stuff" is sure entertaining.
	Sure, most books are a waste of paper, but some books can't be had any
other way.
	My two pence.


  | -----Original Message-----
  | From: Tom Ritchford [mailto:tom@swirly.com]
  | Sent: Wednesday 29 September 1999 7:08 AM
  | To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
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  |
  |
  | >Gimme an mp3 that sweats and pours, in front of your face, out
  | >emotional energy that
  | >equals the greatest of live performances
  |
  | apples and oranges!  CDs don't pour sweat either.
  |
  | the question is, will internet delivery eventually replace CDs?  and the
  | answer is of course.
  |
  | as someone exaggerated once, "newspapers won't just be obsolete, they'll
  | be illegal!" due to the consumption of resources.
  |
  |
  | more important, will this come soon enough to affect us?  dunno, but
  | spending a little time and effort on the topic can't be a bad gamble.
  |
  | 	/t
  |

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When are we going to get back to whining about the EDP?

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Again. This was taken out of context of the conversation and was in direct
response to the question about live performances, not commercial cd's.

Ok, the assumption that internet delivery will replace cd's is absurd to me.
Computer's haven't replaced paper (like everyone still thinks'll happen) and
never will in my opinion (I have a stack of legislative documents here on my
desk that I KNOW won't change). CD's haven't replaced LP's, maybe dwindled the
market for them, but they are far from being gone. I guess it depends on the
*type* of product you are looking for. Not everything I want or need is on the
net, and it never will be.

On Wed, 29 Sep 1999, Tom Ritchford wrote:

|>Gimme an mp3 that sweats and pours, in front of your face, out 
|>emotional energy that
|>equals the greatest of live performances
|
|apples and oranges!  CDs don't pour sweat either.
|
|the question is, will internet delivery eventually replace CDs?  and the
|answer is of course.
|
|as someone exaggerated once, "newspapers won't just be obsolete, they'll
|be illegal!" due to the consumption of resources.
|
|
|more important, will this come soon enough to affect us?  dunno, but
|spending a little time and effort on the topic can't be a bad gamble.
|
|	/t
|
|

   _______________________________________________________________________
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						      jamesrp@statenet.com

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will LPs replace CDs?

   http://www.ministryofsound.com/lifestyle/gear_news.asp?NewsID=2529

the question is, will it make lock-grooves?

	/t

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The FAQ mentions that some people complain that the output level of the EDP
is too quiet, while the input is too sensitive, and that there's a mod which
remedies that (changing a few resistor values).  It also says that the mod
was rolled into production units as of early '98.

However, I've got two EDP's, an older one and a newer one (purchased earlier
this year, came with the new sticker and software), and the newer one is
still by far the lowest output device in my setup.  I haven't opened the new
one up yet to verify that the mod is present, but does anyone know if this
roll-in occurred and if it made a tremendous difference?

TH

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> > Now "you* deserve to make lots of cold, hard cash for what you do.
Believe
> > me, I know.  You work hard for your money.  So hard for it, honey.  You
don't
> > have to tell me.
>
> I'm not sure where this nasty sarcasm is coming from, but I am sure it's
> not necessary to make your point.

I wasn't being sarcastic or nasty at all.  I was giving you face.  I never use
Donna Summer lyrics unless I'm talking about something good and true.  If I
was going to be sarcastic & nasty I would have referred to the Average White
Band.

Ooh!

Love to love you, Baby,
Tim

P.S.
No, enough of this drivel.  All I'm saying is selling MP3 songs may not bring
in cash by the forkloads.  But don't listen to me, have at it, y'all.


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The gig bag sounds great but when does the new hardware update come out????

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hi all you out there!

well, i think i have to unsuscribe for a while (...9 months, but i'll be
back, i promise!) 'cause i leave my school to attend school. so far i'm not
shure if i'm gonna get my hands on a new email account or if i even gonna
have time to go through 20 to 50 mostly interresting mails a day.

i want to thank all of you who helped me on a lot of subjects concerning
music gear and the philosophy behind music in general and looping!

especially i want to thank Kim for giving me the chance to communicate to so
many people around the world, who have about the same thing in mind.

thanks again.
lorenz


ps: my account is/ will still be active, but probably i download my mails
every 2 or 3 weeks (in the worst case!)

pps: i recived my ld vol1 cd a week ago, what a great cd! thanks to help
wanted productions & legion



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if anyone is interested in getting a boomerang, we just got a new
shipment at

krazy kat music
210.737.0523
www.krazykatmusic.com
krazy2@flash.net

we'll sell them for $425 + shipping

if interested *please contact me there*, not at my home email.

thanks!

bobdog

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Hello,

	Oh we were just kidding.Hope no one had hard feelings.Certainly not
worth leaving the list for. I have been on lists where I was flamed much
worse than that. Just a little humor 8-)

Denis

Denis Taaffe
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-
I'm not Graham,I'm not leaving but since the goof is blamed on him and he's 
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			Playlist for "EMUSIC"

"EMUSIC," an electronic, ambient, and space music show, airs each Thursday
at 11pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in
Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ.  http://www.wdiyfm.org/schedule/s_emusic.html

		Show #N/A		September 16, 1999.
		Host: Bill Fox		http://www.wdiyfm.org
		billfox@fast.net

Hurricane Floyd took out the link from the studio to the transmitter so
there was no show this week.

On the next EMUSIC, I will continue the month-long focus on Utah musician
Robert Carty.  This unsigned artist deserves widespread recognition.
The Feature CD at Midnight will be Silent Dreams.  Hopefully we'll be
on the air instead of dreaming in silence!   ;-)

Please visit the WDIY web site and navigate through the schedule to the
EMUSIC pages.  Playlists for every show are there.  Hot links to artists
and labels can be found in the monthly focus section.

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ah..er.. Matthias...hell-o...Yes it is a Joke..... Gottcha...Papa Dev


>From: Matthias Grob 
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>Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 01:17:28 -0300
>
> >I'm not Graham,I'm not leaving but since the goof is blamed on him and 
>he's
> >leaving...what's up with that Dude.  Actually the Potter's are playing at
> >the Women Care Center Oct 1st @ 23E.Beach in Watsonville Ca..  We are the
> >the Von Potter Family Loopers,the only Accordian-Looping Family in the
> >World. Papa starts,then Mama and the six children follow, no echoplex, no
> >jamman, no boomerang, no gadgets...just pure accordian looping at it's
> >finest. With sychonized leider-hosen.  See you all there!  Papa Dave
> >
>
>hey, thats phantastic, I thought it was a joke, sorry. Do you have a sample
>for us on some site, or dont you record the "loops" either? ;-)
>
>Matthias
>
>
>
>          ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org
>
>

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This is even more off-topic but here goes... :)

From: James Pearce 
> Ok, the assumption that internet delivery will replace cd's is absurd to
me.
> Computer's haven't replaced paper (like everyone still thinks'll happen)
and
> never will in my opinion (I have a stack of legislative documents here on
my
> desk that I KNOW won't change).

Absurd NOW, that is.  The concept of the Paperless Office has been a Holy
Grail of sorts to me (and countless others) for quite some time!  It's only
been the last few years when the feasibility of this concept has clarified
for me, though.  And it came about because of (surprise!) an AS/400 gig.

Short Version: I was working at a music publishing company.  Needless to say
there are issues with royalties etc. that are more than just crucial to keep
track of, and for this they had hired a pair of accountants in the
beginning, who stayed with the company until the End; that is, they both
died within months of each other and were brothers as well.  Weird, yes, but
true.  Anyhow, I got quite a lot of overtime tending to the AS/400 and its
screaming printer, producing a printout of some 250,000 pages - all of it
sent FedEx to an incredible shipping cost!  When I asked why we couldn't
have just given them a dial-up to access the data, I found several basic
truths:

* They believed that the data "could have been altered before getting to the
screen" (as if this is less possible on paper!)

* They wanted physical proof, and for them screen images didn't constitute
"physical";

* They wanted something in their shaking, aging hands.

* They were technophobic (fairly normal for folks in their 80s who still
work).

After this experience, you know, I was fairly convinced that the following
applies:

* The Paperless Office will not be possible until the current crop of
Accountants, Lawyers, and other paper pushers have either died or retired
permanently, and the people THEY trained have died or retired permanently.
And possibly the folks that this last group trained as well!

Well, I thought of it as a bit of an informational milestone, and was
relieved to be done with it when it was through.  Then the accountants died,
and in a flurry of movement, the Big Printout was shredded or otherwise
disposed of.  Guess what?  We didn't find this out until another suit came
up, and we asked to get the printout back.  Coda: We had to print all
250,000 pages AGAIN!  This more than "fairly convinced" me that I was right.
Right now I and a cohort are pulling data off of the '400 to CD-ROM, in a
queriable form; and the only reason this is possible is because of the Y2K
non-compliance of the unit (on the hardware level!).  Otherwise I'm sure
this bunch would be maintaining status quo forever.

So I figured that the Paperless Office won't be possible for perhaps 100
years - by which time, unless one figures out how to recycle paper
effectively, the trees will have been eliminated from this orb.  Probably
because of some report about the declining population of paper-bearing
trees!

Stephen Goodman       * It's the free Loop Of The Week!
EarthLight Productions * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios.html
*
(Hear the NEW "Star Spangled Banner" here!)

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If anyone would like to trade their  tascam dp-m1 portable dat for some real
nice gear let me know.
thanks alot,
c.white

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Maybe an interesting question to reveal more about what we do when we loop,
would be to answer the question: 

"When do you make a choice NOT to loop?"

For myself, I specifically don't loop much when I'm in an ensemble playing.
I find it too hard to synchronize loops in a non midi world. Also, it can be
really hard to "change directions" with other players once I have a 10
second loop going on.

David Kirkdorffer


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I've been discussing this same topic with some jazzer friends who have
declared that I'm the guy they need to radicalize their sound. They're
all gigging standards mostly but want to do some real stretching. 

I've played one of them some looping tapes and tried to warn him
that, for the most part, the logistics of keeping time and turning on
a dime are both very difficult maneuvers for a looper. Although with
volume control in the appropriate locations you could really back
loops in and out... Need more practice at this, and I believe I'll get
some soon! 

It's also great to just play in real time with really good players
anyway! Loop when ya can... and play it by ear the rest...

Miko Biffle                                    "Running scared from
all the usual distractions..."
mbiffle@svg.com

>>> David Kirkdorffer  09/29 3:12 PM >>>
> Maybe an interesting question to reveal more about what we do when
we loop, would be to answer the question: 

> "When do you make a choice NOT to loop?"

> For myself, I specifically don't loop much when I'm in an ensemble
playing. I find it too hard to synchronize loops in a non midi world.
Also, it can be really hard to "change directions" with other players
once I have a 10 second loop going on. David Kirkdorffer


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Interesting- when I get a chance to play with drummers, I find it hard to
loop. Maybe it is not because a drummer has trouble syncing to the loop when
they're used to being the timekeeper (although that may be the case), but I
find when someone is banging on very loud things, it is difficult to hear
the loop without a REALLY loud monitor. So usually, unless it is, say, one
hand percussionist, I will just play 'normal' guitar.

Also, while I use a ton of effects/guitar synth stuff with my looping, when
I play 'normal' guitar, I just use a cord into the amp, and that's it. Odd,
I guess.

Dave Eichenberger- guitars.loops.devices
http://home1.gte.net/artmusic/dave





> "When do you make a choice NOT to loop?"
>

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>> The mp3.com 'give them samples and sell cds' doesn't work. The 'pay for
>> download' doesn't work. The 'make it big on the internet' thing doesn't
>> work...
>
>The above would seem to be the popular opinion of the established
>brick-and-mortar music biz bunch.  I find it difficult to accept ANY
>prediction as to how the future fares for online music promotion/sales,
most
>especially since it's still an industry in its infancy - and for the most
>part developing without the assistance of the established biz.  Therefore I
>can't accept a wholesale dismissal of this process-in-development.

Sure, in the future it will be different. I'm talking about now, tomorrow
and the next year or so. I'm talking about our careers and bread and butter
now, in the meantime - all bets are off in the "^~.,.~^~.FUTURE.~^~.,.~^"

It's not worth thinking about that till it's about to happen.

Even then, I'll wager that the two strategies still won't work without some
radical changes in technology (goodness that's not going to happen, is it?
:>)

>> If you intend to get paid for your music:
>>
>> a. send out demos and try to sign up with an established label who can
>promote you or,
>> b. go out and be a starving musician playing in little clubs to get
>attention
>
>...This would seem to be more of the same.  I'm sure quite a lot of folks
in
>the established music biz would prefer it if we all just went away, or
>signed up with them as if it were the only way to do business.

Errm, maybe they're right?

I'm not in the music bix, I'm in the internet biz. I'm telling you it
doesn't look good from this end either. Sorry, but that's how I see it.

> they can only deliver the product, they can't bring you fans.
>
>This is normal.  Unless one wants to go the road as in the "intend to get
>paid" section, an equally established method of going broke by the way, the
>Artist in Specific (and not just formerly known as...) should take part in
>promotion of his or her work.  The huge difference with respect to the
>Internet as medium is that one doesn't have to have a great set of kneepads
>(for the purpose of begging some cigar-chomper to listen to your work), nor
>is it necessary to pay an agent to get your work heard.

Ermm, exactly how are you going to get your music differentiated from all
the crap out there? How people going to find your music?

Also, people's tastes are changing thanks to the massive amount music
available to them all of a sudden. I'm not talking about their stylistic
habits, but how they treat music. It's becoming more disposable :< there's
so much good stuff out there (as well as the crap), that there's no need to
stick to one thing. Why read the same book every time you go to the library,
if there are a kazillion other >good< ones to read? Still, there's been more
interesting music around than I'll ever have time to enjoy since before I
was born. The difference now is that niches and styles are exploding -

This reminds me of something that happened in the video gaming industry, on
a smaller scale. When Doom came out, the first set of levels were sent out
free. It was a stroke of genius - video game crack. The first one's free...
But soon every gaming mag came with a cd, of all the first levels of every
game to come out. Suddenly (and there were a lot of other things involved,
such as sudden over-saturation, which is a topic that deserves it's own
thread, related to the music biz and online music) the market took a hit -
so many people bought magazine and played the 50 demos for a couple of
bucks, instead of buying one game for 50.

>
>I think the big questions would be:
>
>* Do artists wish to do business the way the folks we would rather not do
>business with do, or establish a new channel for this altogether, one that
>at least initially promises a freedom from the artificial restraints we've
>come to know and accept?
>
>* Is our intent as artists to make piles of money via huge venues that
>require our "fans" to pay $40 a ticket?  Are most folks aware that Stadium
>Rock as such uses a fairly new, and quite fragile, economic model, one that
>needn't be followed in order to eventually have satisfaction on a
>rent-paying and artistically-fulfilling level?
>

Ermm, I don't think anyone will be paying $40 to see me any time soon :> and
I don't want to be presumptuous but I would that the changes for most people
on this list can't more than an order of magnitude better than mine. Get
used to loving what you do - I know that it's not going to pay for anything.

>I'm sure none of us would prefer to just play coffee houses forever.  But
>given the new aspect that the Internet brings to our own niches, we'd be
>foolish at best to ignore it, and go on as if it will never make a
>difference.
>
>******************
>
>And now a word about LinkExchange.  I've been a banner "partner" for as
long
>as it's been available, and frankly it's not been anything close to an
>assistance to me in getting folks to my site.  It's generally been
discussed
>in the press how little banners work in this regard; I've debated taking
>mine off altogether for some time, since it's probably more of a help to
the
>people who pay LinkExchange than the people who don't.  End run, it comes
up
>tasting like a vampiric process that pretends to benefit the banner
>advertiser, while helping the paying advertisers - and LinkExchange - quite
>a bit more than You, The Little Guy.  It still remains to be seen just how
>much of a help a banner is to folks like us.  As a matter of fact, the idea
>is quite a bit less established as a benefit than online promotion and
sales
>of music, much less MP3 files.

Exactly!! From LinkExchange and music online, you're looking for results
that don't exist. What have I been saying all along? The channels are
saturated. As people get used to clicking on banners, and being sent to a
lame site, their novelty fades and people stop checking them out. The same
goes for music downloads. People just have to get used to the fact that
banner advertising is about as effective as any other form of advertising.

Banner advertising isn't more help to big guys than little guys. The days of
50 to 1 click thrus are over. You have to give people a real reason to go to
your site.

Contrary to popular opinion, the most effective banners on our network tend
to be ugly and loud; not crappy looking, but a tad garish, so that they will
stand out on other people's sites. The say exactly what amazing stuff is
just a click away. The use the f-word a lot :>

Do you have the correct categorization and filtering settings set up on your
account? (I'd check, but I can't right now) This makes several orders of
magnitude difference in the number of people interested in what you have to
offer that will see your banner. With banner networks so large, and click
thru's so low, it's absolutely essential that you choose your targeting
categories wisely.


bIz


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>
>I could be wrong.  Go ahead and try.  I'm just saying, I don't exactly have
my
>credit card in hand waiting with bated breath until you get your site up.
>
>One more point.  Don't knock Free.  Free is a very lucrative way of making
>money on the Internet right now.  Paradox?  Hotmail, NetMail, FreeMail,
Yahoo,
>Excite, Snap, GoTo, Geocities, Xoom, ICQ, MP3, AltaVista, AOL Instant
>Messenger, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera.  Hotmail sold for what, four
hundred
>million dollars?  The minute Yahoo starts charging for web searches is the
>minute Yahoo files chapter 11.  How many people have a subscription to the
>online oxford english dictionary?  I personally use webster's 3rd Edition
at a
>whopping $0.00 per hit.  Free is good.  Free is our friend.  Free makes me
>happy.

Hotmail, netmail, snap, geocities, mp3, altavista, Xoom, have yet to make
any money, other than being bought by someone who thinks that they can use
it to make money. Yahoo is making money though. Is someone going to buy you
to use you to make money?

>Now you may be the marketing/business supragenius who revolutionizes the
>charge-per-download MP3 market.  I'm just saying that Free is hard to beat
in
>a price war.  And it looks like Free is going to be here - maybe not
forever,
>but at least for a while.  MP3.com is worth how many scores, or hundreds,
of
>millions?  They're not going south any time soon.  And frankly, I kind of
like
>it.  No one is more desirable than when they're giving things away.
>

Prices tend to go down, but not up. Unless you can add some kind of value to
your product that can't be placed in a currently available 'free' format,
then you will be hard pressed to sell it.

bIz

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the question is, will internet delivery eventually replace CDs?  and the

> answer is of course.
>

    Well, I don't think so..not everyone will fall head over hills in love with the
computer, I'm sort of losing my taste for it due to my ISP. (who just disconnected me
again..10 minutes is all i get to read these messages and reply.)
    If the only way we can get music is over the net, and some of what i have heard, I sure
wouldn't buy..(guess that's why radio will be around a while longer, so we can listen and
choose on what we want to spend our money) then i guess i will just have to be content to
listen to my own sounds which I do most of the time anyway. Course i do have an echoplex and
a jamman, and wish i had about 3 more of each and am waiting patiently for Matthais's
update. This is The Loopers page isn't it or did I get on the wrong one here?
My 2¢ which won't buy an atomic fireball jawbreaker today..they are now 5¢
James>>>>>

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In a message dated 09/29/1999 5:29:40 PM Central Daylight Time, 
mbiffle@svg.com writes:

<< They're all gigging standards mostly but want to do some real stretching.  
 >>


I gig standards too, and when I do, I leave my EDP at home with the Loud Rig. 
 But previously (on NYPD Blue, I can't resist following that word with those 
other ones), in our trio, we played standards and incorporated loops.  How?  
Good question.  Certainly not during the form of the tune... because over a 
12, 16, or 32 bar form, no one could keep such metronomically correct time 
(nor would I like them if they could...).  But in other parts of tunes, over 
a vamp, sure.  And getting into and out of tunes, especially the more modal 
things....  I remeber a version of Marc Johnson's 'Samurai Hee Haw' that had 
a good 10 minutes of ambient loopy space in front of it (in the tonality of 
c# melodic minor), making the real entry of the tune (in A major 
pentatonic/lydian) all the more... erotic.
And I recently made a loop of Steve Swallow's 'Sweeping Up', a 7-bar tune.  
Dialed in all the parts (it has simple chords, and just a moving inside line, 
no real melody), and then soloed over it.  
k

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Excellent question, David! I'm not sure I know the answer, but one way
around it is the "stealth loop", where you get a loop going but keep it
turned down. Then when an opportunity presents itself for the collective
improvisation to change directions, up comes the fader, whoomp, there's the
"new" loop, and off you go. This works well if rather than trading "solos",
the musicians are passing the baton, so to speak, and taking turns leading
the improvisation.

But I agree, in an ensemble setting, unless the tunes are rehearsed and the
band is fairly tight (not too often), I usually find it more natural to
keep my loops more atmospheric and textural and much less synch-dependent,
leaving the parts requiring spontaneous school-of-fish agility and nimble
lane-changing unlooped (or grabbed in one of them thar "stealth loops" for
a surprise reprise). Not always, mind you, but generally...

And David, I hope you'll keep us updated regarding the Boston-area show
you're putting together; it could be a great get-together for a bunch of us
Northeastern hermit loopers who don't get out much.

Tim

At 06:02 PM 9/29/99 -0400, you wrote:
>Maybe an interesting question to reveal more about what we do when we loop,
>would be to answer the question: 
>
>"When do you make a choice NOT to loop?"
>
>For myself, I specifically don't loop much when I'm in an ensemble playing.
>I find it too hard to synchronize loops in a non midi world. Also, it can be
>really hard to "change directions" with other players once I have a 10
>second loop going on.
>
>David Kirkdorffer
>
>
>

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> It's not worth thinking about that till it's about to happen.

Most folks caught behind when everyone else is up front taking advantage of
this are probably thinking that as well.

> Even then, I'll wager that the two strategies still won't work without
some
> radical changes in technology (goodness that's not going to happen, is it?
> :>)

Yep.  Think about this, then.  In four years, someone selects a list of
songs to be burned onto a CD or its equivalent - whereupon the
vendor-in-question, who doesn't keep inventory beyond the traditional stuff,
makes a multiple request to other vendors - the distributors publishing
houses or (gasp!) the artists who own the recording and pub rights, to not
only get permission to burn their songs/etc., but process payment as well.
The purchaser gets more of what he/she wants, and the artists/owners of the
work get paid more.  Why?  Because there aren't a legion of middlemen
leeching off the process as if they were a necessary transaction.

> >> If you intend to get paid for your music:
> >>
> >> a. send out demos and try to sign up with an established label who can
> >promote you or,
> >> b. go out and be a starving musician playing in little clubs to get
> >attention
> >
> >...This would seem to be more of the same.  I'm sure quite a lot of folks
> in
> >the established music biz would prefer it if we all just went away, or
> >signed up with them as if it were the only way to do business.
>
> Errm, maybe they're right?

You grew up in LA, didn't you?  I can't imagine anyone subscribing to such
foolishness unless they're already making money off it, or just don't know
any better than to believe what everyone tells you.

> I'm not in the music bix, I'm in the internet biz. I'm telling you it
> doesn't look good from this end either. Sorry, but that's how I see it.

That's a bit like looking through binoculars from the wrong end, isn't it?

> Ermm, exactly how are you going to get your music differentiated from all
> the crap out there? How people going to find your music?

The publicity end of this is still in process-of-formation, evidenced by the
ongoing existence of rudimentary (and ineffective) modes of advertising on
the Web.  Like Banners.

> Also, people's tastes are changing thanks to the massive amount music
> available to them all of a sudden. I'm not talking about their stylistic
> habits, but how they treat music. It's becoming more disposable :< there's
> so much good stuff out there (as well as the crap), that there's no need
to
> stick to one thing. Why read the same book every time you go to the
library,
> if there are a kazillion other >good< ones to read? Still, there's been
more
> interesting music around than I'll ever have time to enjoy since before I
> was born. The difference now is that niches and styles are exploding -

You know, the status quo bunch were pretty much saying the same thing 10,
20, 30, and 40 years ago.  So what else is new?

> This reminds me of something that happened in the video gaming industry,
on
> a smaller scale. When Doom came out, the first set of levels were sent out
> free. It was a stroke of genius - video game crack. The first one's
free...
> But soon every gaming mag came with a cd, of all the first levels of every
> game to come out. Suddenly (and there were a lot of other things involved,
> such as sudden over-saturation, which is a topic that deserves it's own
> thread, related to the music biz and online music) the market took a hit -
> so many people bought magazine and played the 50 demos for a couple of
> bucks, instead of buying one game for 50.

And you don't see folks in the arcades anymore either.  Imagine that!  One
can't treat the game market like the music market in any event - the
elements involved aren't like Apples / Oranges, but they're different enough
not to be comparable in their effects.  If I need to elaborate upon this,
please say so!

In the long run, if one wants to obtain ones aims in whatever milieu they're
in, it just doesn't pay to consider negatives unless they're something that
really exist, as you coined, Now.  Otherwise I suppose it's quite a struggle
just to play an instrument.

Stephen Goodman       * It's the free Loop Of The Week!
EarthLight Productions * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios.html
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>If I was going to be sarcastic & nasty I would have referred to the Average
White
> Band.

Does anyone remember a band that played funk, out of New York City, called
the Better Than Average Black Band?

Sorry, it surfaced and I couldn't do a thing about it.

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When synchronization is a problem, and when I don't have electric power at
hand.  Or when I don't feel like dragging my gear to the
situation-in-question.

I play acoustic nearly as much with others as electric, come to think of it.
But my favorite jams to date have been acoustic ones.  When in this
position, I use an Oscar Schmidt 6-string (steel) with an eBow.  Works just
fine, whether the apocolypse has happened or not!

Stephen Goodman       * It's the free Loop Of The Week!
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At 10:14 AM -0700 9/29/99, Travis Hartnett wrote:
>The FAQ mentions that some people complain that the output level of the EDP
>is too quiet, while the input is too sensitive, and that there's a mod which
>remedies that (changing a few resistor values).  It also says that the mod
>was rolled into production units as of early '98.
>
>However, I've got two EDP's, an older one and a newer one (purchased earlier
>this year, came with the new sticker and software), and the newer one is
>still by far the lowest output device in my setup.  I haven't opened the new
>one up yet to verify that the mod is present, but does anyone know if this
>roll-in occurred and if it made a tremendous difference?

My guess is this unit doesn't have the mod done for some reason. Pop the
top and check the resistor values for the gain. It's simple to change, and
to me it makes a big difference.

kim

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Well, here's some more news about that -- well, not about LPs replacing CDs,
but near that:

http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1006-200-352067.html

  | -----Original Message-----
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  |
  | will LPs replace CDs?
  |
  |    http://www.ministryofsound.com/lifestyle/gear_news.asp?NewsID=2529
  |
  | the question is, will it make lock-grooves?
  |
  | 	/t
  |

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> unsuscribe

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Stephen opened my mind:
>But my favorite jams to date have been acoustic ones.  When in this
>position, I use an Oscar Schmidt 6-string (steel) with an eBow.  Works just
>fine, whether the apocolypse has happened or not!

Hey thats right, it works acoustic, too! So the eBow might be my only
electric device in my cable- and electricity free thinkandjamroom, where
resonances are a mayor study anyway!

Could somebody send me one down to Brasil?
I would really apreciate and pay any reasonable price (new or old).

Thanks
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>When synchronization is a problem...

Yes, you all say it: Synchronization. I was concerned about this from the
start. I dont like to ban other musicians into my metronome prison.

So I created the BeatSync input. I hardly had the oportunity to use it,
since I dont play with drums. I only used it to resync the Plex to recorded
audio, which worked well!

Did anyone try to connect the bass drum (or snare, HH?) to the BeatSync and
let the loop follow the speed of the drummer?
Since there is a SyncWindow that only considers hits close to the beat one,
the driving instrument does not have to be played stupidly straight, its
enough to also hit beat one pretty often.

In some future loop device it will be possible to really adopt the playing
speed to a sync. So far the band is not allowed to really change speed, the
BrotherSync just corrects minor irregularities with a little jump in the
loop.

Just give it a try, simply connect the beat audio signal with a 1/4 to
BeatSync and switch Sync to IN...

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>"When do you make a choice NOT to loop?"

Oh, nice question ;-)

I guess, most of us have parts without loop in their loop pieces, but they
rather feel like bridges mostly, so thats probably not what we talk about
here...

I allways had problems with rythms. My music speaks in sound and melody.
I somehow need the loop to keep me steady and leared a lot from it. Brasil
tought me another big lesson. But still, without loop, I tend to
constantely change themes and travel in variations, hardly repeating myself.
For a long time, I thought this was not "serious" music, but more and more
I find it about as interesting as mantric loops.
Where is that need for repeated parts coming from? Isnt it mostly a help to
remember and teach the song? So in an improvisation, you dont need it?
If you want a mantric effect, use a loop to get the strongest effect, if
not, just keep going, tell the story! To do it well is not so easy, but I
am getting better at it, in my candleaccousiticroom.

Could anyone indicate recorded music of this notreapeatatall kind?

Matthias



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Yeah -- When I play in a group -- called .little a. -- I play a gretch into
a bandmaster and that's it.  When I Loop, I've all the toys I can find
patched in a play a guitar with much hotter pickups.


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Interesting- when I get a chance to play with drummers, I find it hard to
loop. Maybe it is not because a drummer has trouble syncing to the loop when
they're used to being the timekeeper (although that may be the case), but I
find when someone is banging on very loud things, it is difficult to hear
the loop without a REALLY loud monitor. So usually, unless it is, say, one
hand percussionist, I will just play 'normal' guitar.

Also, while I use a ton of effects/guitar synth stuff with my looping, when
I play 'normal' guitar, I just use a cord into the amp, and that's it. Odd,
I guess.

Dave Eichenberger- guitars.loops.devices
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> "When do you make a choice NOT to loop?"
>

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You know, Matthias, the Echoplex manual could well use this type of
description to many of the functions.  There's nothing like this type of
imaginative, relaxed way of describing something to make you really not only
understand, but get inspired...  And it sure beats what's currently in the
manual.

Anyway, just a thought.  Perhaps I've missed an already-compiled list of
these gems...  And, if none's there, well, could I make one, with the help
of those interested and inspiring loopers?

Javier

  | -----Original Message-----
  | From: Matthias Grob [mailto:matthias@grob.org]
  | Sent: Thursday 30 September 1999 4:39 AM
  | To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
  | Subject: Synchronization band-loop
  |
  |
  | >When synchronization is a problem...
  |
  | Yes, you all say it: Synchronization. I was concerned about
  | this from the
  | start. I dont like to ban other musicians into my metronome prison.
  |
  | So I created the BeatSync input. I hardly had the oportunity to use it,
  | since I dont play with drums. I only used it to resync the Plex
  | to recorded
  | audio, which worked well!
  |
  | Did anyone try to connect the bass drum (or snare, HH?) to the
  | BeatSync and
  | let the loop follow the speed of the drummer?
  | Since there is a SyncWindow that only considers hits close to
  | the beat one,
  | the driving instrument does not have to be played stupidly straight, its
  | enough to also hit beat one pretty often.
  |
  | In some future loop device it will be possible to really adopt
  | the playing
  | speed to a sync. So far the band is not allowed to really
  | change speed, the
  | BrotherSync just corrects minor irregularities with a little jump in the
  | loop.
  |
  | Just give it a try, simply connect the beat audio signal with a 1/4 to
  | BeatSync and switch Sync to IN...
  |
  | Matthias
  |
  |
  |
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  |
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  |

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Hey Boomerang - 

Since Oberheim is apparently never going to make another EDP, why don't you
guys come up with something with a little better sound quality that stores
multiple loops and does a few other of the important EDP tricks.  Maybe have
Kim and Mattheus help you out with the software.  Then we can buy one of those
instead of growing old waiting for the next EDP.

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Yeah it can be difficult but I find that with a small ensemble (duo or 
trio or quartet) it can work out well when the other musicians can 
hear the loop at a good level in the mix. Maybe the guys I play with 
just listen  as I listen to them. A good long sound check and lower 
stage levels can also realy help.I go back and forth from loop and no 
loop ,bring em in when the groove is happening and pedal em out when 
there's a glitch. The audience doesn't usually catch on if you're 
quick about it. It's all in practice and experience. I know my brother 
Robbie Aceto uses a headphone mix to the drummer in loud situations 
.Works well to keep everything locked up and grooveacous.
Regards,
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Loopers-Delight-d-request@annihilist.com wrote:

> From: Tom Ritchford 
> the question is, will internet delivery eventually replace CDs?  and the
> answer is of course.

I'm afraid that I'll have to disagree, Tom.  DVD or some other higher
capacity medium will replace the CD.  Here's why I say that.  Even when
56k modems have gone the way of the dodo due to inexpensive, high
bandwidth connections in 99% of the world's households, the consumer
will have to be willing to carry the burden in cost and time to
manufacture the end product for ALL of their music listening purchases.
I don't see people doing that and I don't see a capitalist society
allowing that to happen.  Too many worthless people in between the
musicians and the public would loose their jobs; bad for the economy.
And everything boils down to money in our proto-Ferengi society.  (Why
do you think it's called the music BUSINESS?)

As others have said, computers haven't made the paperless office and all
the extra stuff (packaging) is too important a part of the package.  I
don't see artists wanting to give up artistic control of their CD
artwork.  Record labels may rip it from them.  But then I don't see the
labels wanting to give up that control, either.  Even if the music were
to be available for purchase exclusively via downloading and even if the
artwork were forced down the wire with it, the customer may possibly
choose not to print it out.  Loss of  advertising for the sellers of
music.

Of course, I may be short sighted...
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On the look for ebow...Mailing address Matthias?Om and Out, Papa Dave


>From: Matthias Grob 
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>Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 08:39:13 -0300
>
>Stephen opened my mind:
> >But my favorite jams to date have been acoustic ones.  When in this
> >position, I use an Oscar Schmidt 6-string (steel) with an eBow.  Works 
>just
> >fine, whether the apocolypse has happened or not!
>
>Hey thats right, it works acoustic, too! So the eBow might be my only
>electric device in my cable- and electricity free thinkandjamroom, where
>resonances are a mayor study anyway!
>
>Could somebody send me one down to Brasil?
>I would really apreciate and pay any reasonable price (new or old).
>
>Thanks
>Matthias
>
>
>
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> 
> It's also great to just play in real time with really good players
> anyway! Loop when ya can... and play it by ear the rest...

Oh, boy do I agree with this?

like beer and wine, in certain situation one will work soooo
much better than the other.

shit, I need a drink, see ya.

Jim Carter
a pub
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Uk

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mbiffle@svg.com writes:
<< They're all gigging standards mostly but want to do some real
stretching. >>

> I gig standards too, and when I do, I leave my EDP at home with the
Loud Rig. But previously (on NYPD Blue, I can't resist following that
word with those other ones), 

You mean "and such"? I love the way they do that... can't wait for
the new season to start.

> in our trio, we played standards and incorporated loops.  How? Good
question.  Certainly not during the form of the tune... because over a
12, 16, or 32 bar form, no one could keep such metronomically correct
time (nor would I like them if they could...).  But in other parts of
tunes, over a vamp, sure.  And getting into and out of tunes,
especially the more modal things....  I remeber a version of Marc
Johnson's 'Samurai Hee Haw' that had a good 10 minutes of ambient
loopy space in front of it (in the tonality of c# melodic minor),
making the real entry of the tune (in A major pentatonic/lydian) all
the more... erotic. And I recently made a loop of Steve Swallow's
'Sweeping Up', a 7-bar tune.  Dialed in all the parts (it has simple
chords, and just a moving inside line, no real melody), and then
soloed over it.  

Oh yeah... for intros and outros and free floating stuff... no holds
barred on the loops! It's when another player interjects some entirely
"new" figure which may or may not be in the key / time structure of
the existing playing. It's really a challenge to either change your
loop or migrate to another one without creating a huge dropout.

I've not spent enought time using my looper as accompanist for
woodshedding tunes yet. I just start improvising... I'm sure I could
accelerate my learning of jazz tunes by doing this. Gotta now make it
so!

Miko Biffle                                    "Running scared from
all the usual distractions..."
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I agree. If I'm playing against a digtital delay
it's impossible to gat a drummer to keep time. 
A few years ago playing a U2 song with a typical
dunk,de,dunk,de....  guitar riff I used an analogue
delay which seemed a lot more tolerant of small shifts
in tempo, I guess because the edges of the sound
are a little less defined.

Anyone use the EDP midi out to sync. drum machines?
I always find that even with 1/8th beats at max. the
clock output is far too slow even on a 5sec. base loop.
At present I use the EDP + drum machine&sequencer.
With (no sync.) long loops and moderate tempo (say 135bpm)
there is a "micro" phase shift between the parts as the
loop comes round which is rather nice, but I'd still like
to try it in tight sync.


Jim Carter
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Did you ever hear the album by the Algerian singer Rimiti
call "Sidi Mansaur"? It feature Robert Fripp, Flea, the
guitarist from the Dead Kennedys (forget his name), several
tabla players, Frank Zappa's brass section and various 
Algerian instruments.
The title track starts as a very tight polyrhythmic pattern
with lots of tabla and heavy guitar chords but the playout
gradually fades into a Frippotronic soundscape backing the
singer 

hmmm, think I'll listen to this before I go to the pub

some of the recent KC stuff uses similar devices but non 
of it quite gets me like this piece

Jim Carter
on the way to the pub
somewhere near Bristol

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>> It's not worth thinking about that till it's about to happen.
>
>Most folks caught behind when everyone else is up front taking advantage of
>this are probably thinking that as well.

But what you have been suggesting has been tried already, and isn't working.
Could you tell me what you are going to do differently?

>
>> Even then, I'll wager that the two strategies still won't work without
>some
>> radical changes in technology (goodness that's not going to happen, is
it?
>> :>)
>
>Yep.  Think about this, then.  In four years, someone selects a list of
>songs to be burned onto a CD or its equivalent - whereupon the
>vendor-in-question, who doesn't keep inventory beyond the traditional
stuff,
>makes a multiple request to other vendors - the distributors publishing
>houses or (gasp!) the artists who own the recording and pub rights, to not
>only get permission to burn their songs/etc., but process payment as well.
>The purchaser gets more of what he/she wants, and the artists/owners of the
>work get paid more.  Why?  Because there aren't a legion of middlemen
>leeching off the process as if they were a necessary transaction.

( Actually, it's more likely that we no longer use any form of end media,
but stream directly from the source. Third generation, 2 megabit cell based
connectivity will be about three years old by then. )

But the point is moot - this still doesn't work out how people will be made
to pay for the stuff, and how people will be able differentiate your stuff
from all the other stuff.

>> >
>> >...This would seem to be more of the same.  I'm sure quite a lot of
folks
>> in
>> >the established music biz would prefer it if we all just went away, or
>> >signed up with them as if it were the only way to do business.
>>
>> Errm, maybe they're right?
>
>You grew up in LA, didn't you?  I can't imagine anyone subscribing to such
>foolishness unless they're already making money off it, or just don't know
>any better than to believe what everyone tells you.

No, I've never been there. I've heard a lot of strange things about the
place and it's inhabitants though. What will happen to me if I do go there?
It sounds like I will turn into some kind of entertainment industry drone.
Are you from LA?

>
>> I'm not in the music bix, I'm in the internet biz. I'm telling you it
>> doesn't look good from this end either. Sorry, but that's how I see it.
>
>That's a bit like looking through binoculars from the wrong end, isn't it?
>

No, I'm just coming from a different perspective. I working daily with the
tools you say will save us all from the gravy train. It's way more
complicated than that, and not going to be all peaches and cream. You say
the magic of internet based content distribution is here. I'm telling you
that the emperor is half dressed.

>> Ermm, exactly how are you going to get your music differentiated from all
>> the crap out there? How people going to find your music?
>
>The publicity end of this is still in process-of-formation, evidenced by
the
>ongoing existence of rudimentary (and ineffective) modes of advertising on
>the Web.  Like Banners.

The biggest difference between banner advertising and other forms is that
and exact measure of it's effectiveness is possible. Now that the novelty of
banners has worn off, people are getting 'sticker shocked' by the fact that
advertising is an expensive, inefficient business. Compared to other form of
advertising, for some purposes banner advertising is much more effective.
However, it's not going to make your site the most popular one on the web
for $5.95.

>
>> Also, people's tastes are changing thanks to the massive amount music
>> available to them all of a sudden. I'm not talking about their stylistic
>> habits, but how they treat music. It's becoming more disposable :<
there's
>> so much good stuff out there (as well as the crap), that there's no need
>to
>> stick to one thing. Why read the same book every time you go to the
>library,
>> if there are a kazillion other >good< ones to read? Still, there's been
>more
>> interesting music around than I'll ever have time to enjoy since before I
>> was born. The difference now is that niches and styles are exploding -
>
>You know, the status quo bunch were pretty much saying the same thing 10,
>20, 30, and 40 years ago.  So what else is new?
>

Broadband planetary networking? The differentiation of content from it's
media, and the ability of perfect, quick and convenient duplication.
Civilization as-we-know-it? I'm not sure how the 'status-quo' bunch would be
saying that things are going to change.

>> This reminds me of something that happened in the video gaming industry,
>on
>> a smaller scale. When Doom came out, the first set of levels were sent
out
>> free. It was a stroke of genius - video game crack. The first one's
>free...
>> But soon every gaming mag came with a cd, of all the first levels of
every
>> game to come out. Suddenly (and there were a lot of other things
involved,
>> such as sudden over-saturation, which is a topic that deserves it's own
>> thread, related to the music biz and online music) the market took a
hit -
>> so many people bought magazine and played the 50 demos for a couple of
>> bucks, instead of buying one game for 50.
>
>And you don't see folks in the arcades anymore either.  Imagine that!  One
>can't treat the game market like the music market in any event - the
>elements involved aren't like Apples / Oranges, but they're different
enough
>not to be comparable in their effects.  If I need to elaborate upon this,
>please say so!

Please do so. My argument was valid, and might as well have been about
people giving away shareware vegetables.

Let's say that people start releasing compilation DVD's from the mp3 archive
for $2 each. 10 hours of music for $2 (They would have to be DVD's because
60 minutes of music doesn't go as far as 650 megs of video games ) Would you
the music market be affected? I think you'd have to take it into account.
Probably not much, but the gaming market wasn't catastrophically struck
either; I was just saying that it changed things a little.

We have something very similar in the music market. It's called mp3.com -
from the perspective we are discussion, the two main differences between it
and the shareware games are that a) it's not as convenient, though it is
cheaper and b) the quality of the content is abysmal.

So it's not as convenient as picking up a cd at the store, yet. It will be
though. People just have to get better at building content UI, and everybody
has to get a ginormous connection like the T3 I'm sitting on right now.

However, most of the free music still sucks, because so many people are
doing it. Do you think that people will pay for music from a band they have
heard one song from, since they have a taste for the quality of it's music?
You seem to think so - I don't. The amount of quality music will increase
and searching for it will become more refined and intelligent. All this
competition is bad for everyone, not just the big guys; it's literally going
to change the way we think about music and other artistic content (and other
information and systems, like software, but those are just the )

Actually, people still do go to arcades, a lot. The video game business (all
of it together, consoles, arcades, pc etc. etc.) rivals the movie in the
amount of profit it generates ( $5 billion versus $7.5 in 1998 (this only
counts US based companies, but includes international sales))

(BTW it's not even close to the profits of the gambling industry, which was
$13 billion for the same year (again, only counting US based companies. Is
that messed up or what?)

>
>In the long run, if one wants to obtain ones aims in whatever milieu
they're
>in, it just doesn't pay to consider negatives unless they're something that
>really exist, as you coined, Now.  Otherwise I suppose it's quite a
struggle
>just to play an instrument.
>

We differ in that you don't think that the stuff I've brought up exists, and
I've seen it!

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Mathias,

    Check out http://www.musiciansfriend.com as they have them, and I believe 
that they do ship outside of the US...  Otherwise check out 
http://www.wmcworld.com , or http://www.smellygig.com/~atomic  

    Hope this helps out,

        Lee-ohki.
    

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>Yeah it can be difficult but I find that with a small ensemble (duo or
>trio or quartet) it can work out well when the other musicians can
>hear the loop at a good level in the mix. Maybe the guys I play with
>just listen  as I listen to them. A good long sound check and lower
>stage levels can also realy help.

I find the question of monitoring very interesting:
Usually, musicians want to hear themselves louder than the others. This may
make sense in many situations. But I got used to have the "real" mix in the
headphones and find it "healthier", because you get the picture of the
listener, put yourself in the place of importance and volume you really
have in the band. If you dont hear exactly some details you are doing,
thats fine, because the listener will not hear it anyway. Its the effect of
the ensemble that counts, not perfection of the members.
And in such a mix, it is not difficult to follow the loop.
Its dificult to creat such a mix (without phones) on a stage, though...

>I go back and forth from loop and no
>loop ,bring em in when the groove is happening and pedal em out when
>there's a glitch.

On the EDP we thought of doing this with Mute-Undo:
Mute stops the loop (when its off-band for example)
Undo restarts it from the beginning (to catch up with the band)

You can also connect a ordinary foot switch to the beat sync, set Sync=IN
and stomp on the swich at beat one to correct a bit.






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>Hey Boomerang -
>
>Since Oberheim is apparently never going to make another EDP, why don't you
>guys come up with something with a little better sound quality that stores
>multiple loops and does a few other of the important EDP tricks.  Maybe have
>Kim and Mattheus help you out with the software.  Then we can buy one of those
>instead of growing old waiting for the next EDP.

You may have missed my "EDP production" mail...
Please stop feeding paranoia that EDP is not made any more. It IS, they are
working on it NOW, only its name will change, and it will be CE tested and
distributed in Europe, and maybe get an improved software ;-)

But, yes, some joint venture for a future unit is a possibility to discuss...

Matthias



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Javier, very nice:
>You know, Matthias, the Echoplex manual could well use this type of
>description to many of the functions.  There's nothing like this type of
>imaginative, relaxed way of describing something to make you really not only
>understand, but get inspired...  And it sure beats what's currently in the
>manual.

Oh, thanks. I made a big effort for the LOOP delay manual with the help of
Eric, Dandy and  Boris. Warren made a completely new one in no time.
Comunication was bad. Since the units are pretty similar, have a read
there, I think its on the site.
Maybe someone should update it for the plex? (I think I should not, right
now ;-)

>Anyway, just a thought.  Perhaps I've missed an already-compiled list of
>these gems...  And, if none's there, well, could I make one, with the help
>of those interested and inspiring loopers?

Oh, you offer some of your time and love? Thats great!
I dont think there is anything compiled really. The parts would be:
The actual manual,
my correction file for it (about 20 inacurate facts, never corrected),
the LOOP delay manual,
contributions in the list mails,
Erics MIDI manual,
some files Kim and I wrote about the upgrades...

Whatever I can help you...
Maybe Gibson is aware of the lack and may help in some way...



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Jim asked:
>Anyone use the EDP midi out to sync. drum machines?
>I always find that even with 1/8th beats at max. the
>clock output is far too slow even on a 5sec. base loop.

Oh, thats interesting. It would not be complicated to change the 1/8th
beats table. Maybe it should not contain all the odd beat numbers, but
bigger ones instead?

To solve your problem today (and maybe make you like the 1/8th beats as is
;-) and also to become more acurate, I recommend to divide your long loop
into multiples of a small one.
This can be acomplished simply by using Record-Insert:
put InsertMode to INS
press Record
play the first bar
press Insert
play the other bars
press Insert

If you dont use any metronome, you may fall out of the beat and Insert may
round to a different end than you intended. But you can help it:

Since the drum machine receives MIDIclock as soon as you press Insert the
first time, it starts playing and you can follow it.

You can also record the first bar without playing, close it with Multiply,
which makes the drum play, and then record over it using Multiply.
To speed this up, you can close the silent recording with Multiply and
immediately play with the drum.
Or you can just record a little attack of your instrument in the first
recording and use it as a "metronome" while multiplying and then bring in
the drums later.

You can also start the drum first and sync the EDP to it (Sync=IN). The
disadvantages are:
- Depending on acuracy of the units and the sound you play, you may here a
correction blop sometimes at the start of the loop.
- The speed is given by the drums instead of your (intuitive) Record command.

>At present I use the EDP + drum machine&sequencer.
>With (no sync.) long loops and moderate tempo (say 135bpm)
>there is a "micro" phase shift between the parts as the
>loop comes round which is rather nice, but I'd still like
>to try it in tight sync.

oh shure, do it, its easy!

Matthias





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Hey all,

Re-subscribed (from a different email account) and I'm only receiving
the digest messages, none from the group.  Hmmmmmm.  If this is coming
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