From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 30 23:47:25 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA18136; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 23:47:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 23:47:25 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <001b01bec373$74c55f60$628a99d1@u01vj> From: "Pete" To: References: <37793ABC.92FA0829@sfsu.edu> Subject: Re: (CF) checking e-mail addresses Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 23:40:23 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: <"JhV01.0.p04.5AkUt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6656 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com and who are we? Nobodies? I can deal woth that if thats the cards i'm dealt! But if not -- GO FISH!!!!!!!!!!!!!:):)::):):):):):):):):) ----- Original Message ----- From: Matt Davignon To: Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 1999 5:29 PM Subject: (CF) checking e-mail addresses > I just want to make sure that the following people are getting (CF) mail > from me, and that I have their addresses typed in correctly. > > Rob Switzer > Dennis W. Leas > Morgan Hamilton Lang > Raul Bonell Thomas > David Orton > > If you guys have not been getting mail from me, please let me know at > mdavig@sfsu.edu > > matt davignon > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jul 1 00:37:58 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA26481; Thu, 1 Jul 1999 00:37:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 00:37:58 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: KB305@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 00:18:49 EDT Subject: Re: Godel, Escher, Bach and Headrush To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 10 Resent-Message-ID: <"wn89l3.0.Mo5.enkUt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6657 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com And I wouldn't want you to overlook 'Zen Guitar' by Philip Toshio Sudo. k From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jul 1 01:14:26 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA31567; Thu, 1 Jul 1999 01:14:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 01:14:26 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <377AF0C5.3D642961@sfsu.edu> Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 21:38:29 -0700 From: Matt Davignon X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: (CF) checking e-mail addresses References: <37793ABC.92FA0829@sfsu.edu> <001b01bec373$74c55f60$628a99d1@u01vj> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"SMlwY.0.KZ6.55lUt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6658 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Uh,....the rest of you are doing just fine. Actually, these guys expressed an interest in making money at home by stuffing envelopes. Uh, yeah that's right! CF stands for "cshtuffing fenvelopes". matt Pete wrote: > and who are we? Nobodies? > I can deal woth that if thats the cards i'm dealt! > But if not -- > > GO FISH!!!!!!!!!!!!!:):)::):):):):):):):):) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Matt Davignon > To: > Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 1999 5:29 PM > Subject: (CF) checking e-mail addresses > > > I just want to make sure that the following people are getting (CF) mail > > from me, and that I have their addresses typed in correctly. > > > > Rob Switzer > > Dennis W. Leas > > Morgan Hamilton Lang > > Raul Bonell Thomas > > David Orton > > > > If you guys have not been getting mail from me, please let me know at > > mdavig@sfsu.edu > > > > matt davignon > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jul 1 01:02:22 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA29978; Thu, 1 Jul 1999 01:02:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 01:02:22 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <377AF39C.3CDA@dmans.com> Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 23:50:36 -0500 From: "Mikell D. Nelson" Reply-To: mnelson@dmans.com Organization: Boomerang Musical Products X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Boomerang MIDI References: <001901bec2fa$c4fa40a0$02585858@timspc> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"bulLB1.0.Hq6.QClUt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6659 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > The addition of MIDI enablement would not have to make it more complex, > though - the only necessary visible addition to the Boomerang would be two > small sockets at the back. If you didn't use MIDI (and therefore were not looking > for the ports) you probably wouldn't even know the unit was different. Yep, yep. MIDI can be added and not clutter a straight forward design. The Rang, as it now exists, will never have MIDI, but future products definitely will. Syncing seems to be the primary reason, but sample/playback rate linked to a continuous controller would be cool. In fact, having all functions MIDI accessible for those who might care is probably the way to go. Then you can use MIDI as little or as much as you want. By the way, I appreciate & note all comments on this sight even if I don't usually respond. We're cataloging ideas & requests for the next generation product. Thanks. -- Mike Nelson Boomerang Musical Products 800-530-4699 PO Box 541595 214-343-1038, Fax Dallas, TX 75354-1595 mnelson@dmans.com, email http://www.boomerangmusic.com "Some products make you sound better; the Boomerang Phrase Sampler makes you play better." From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jul 1 04:30:03 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA24433; Thu, 1 Jul 1999 04:30:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 04:30:03 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <377B25BC.A66D3C5B@latrobe.edu.au> Date: Thu, 01 Jul 1999 18:24:28 +1000 From: "b.knox" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Boomerang MIDI References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"v6Mp82.0.0n5.BMoUt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6660 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Todd Pafford wrote: > > Personally, I'd hate to see the 'Rang's beautifully simply interface > cluttered w/ "feature creep". I don't use MIDI so I would soon enough > not see it added. i don't use midi either, but the more features the merrier... sometimes all i need to be able to store about a loop as far as synching goes is just it's *length*. some way of storing loop length(s) would be a great help... even having an "empty loop" of a certain length (say 5 seconds or something) created at boot up would be very cool.. (the 30sec / 1 / 2 / 4 minute limits when maxing out are all just a little long for the purpose i'm thinking of --- multitracking externally or just some consistency (picture this: you've just played 20 minutes straight and the punters are looking confused... you could think "well i guess i could play that killer 60 bpm 5/4 thing" without having it prematurely killed by your sudden inability to coordinate hand and foot) by the way, does anyone know if it is *exactly* 30 (32?) seconds a 1 meg 'rang maxs out at? (128 secs with 4 meg?) > > > Now, that's not to say there aren't things I'd like to see done to improve > the 'Rang. Three examples: > 1) Being able to record a new loop while the current loop is still > playing, i.e. playing loop doesn't cut off when you hit record. > 2) Being able to store and use several loops. Three or four would be > plenty. > 3) Being able to change the speed while a loop is playing. Currently you > have to hit Stop->Speed->Play. i used to not like this aspect of the "speed" function but that little gap can be used to great effect.. still it would be nice to have the choice. how about: 4) double speed / sampling rate in addition to 1/2 speed. brad From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jul 1 06:46:59 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA07570; Thu, 1 Jul 1999 06:46:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 06:46:59 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <377B4573.638A@club-internet.fr> Date: Thu, 01 Jul 1999 12:39:47 +0200 From: PERILLE Reply-To: perille@club-internet.fr X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 [fr]C-CLUB (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re : other multiple loop machines..(was EDP vs. Boomerang) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Ofdj5.0.Hb1.LKqUt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6661 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > >> PS: If you know any other toys with multi-loop capabilities, I'd be > >> interested... > >> > > > >Yes > > > >DJRND2 : 14 separate and simultaneous stereo loops spread in a 16 > >megabyte memory. > > > >Emmanuel > > What is this? How do I find out more? > > Thanks, > > Michael http://web.club-internet.fr/perille From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jul 1 07:06:06 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA09958; Thu, 1 Jul 1999 07:06:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 07:06:06 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 06:45:17 -0500 Message-Id: <199907010645.AA202244824@iggle.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "illumnus" Reply-To: To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Godel, Escher, Bach and Headrush X-Mailer: Resent-Message-ID: <"owlba3.0.mp1.FRqUt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6662 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I have to agree with your commentary on GEB, it's a heavy book and fairly fascinating... i've also been a longtime admirer of the Tao of Physics... beautiful book, that.... My website has a list of related works, although it's not specifically slanted toward musical endeavors, just hop on www.iggle.com and look for the "Surrogate Memory Network" in which is a nice list of such books (must remember to put GEB on that list)... ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Hawkeye255@aol.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 22:38:04 EDT > Good idea, Kim (picture me as the young Inuit hunter with the shiny silver tooth in the movie, "Never Cry Wolf"). GEB is a wonderful book--in part, responsible for what I'm doing today, musically and career-wise (sic). Another story for another time. About the same time, mid-to-late 70's, found an extremely enlightening (and more spiritual) book that I think is a good companion to GEB, "The Tao of Physics" by Fritjof Capra. my two centavos, Bill "hawkeye" From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jul 1 07:38:28 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA13520; Thu, 1 Jul 1999 07:38:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 07:38:28 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990701112902.26243.rocketmail@send205.yahoomail.com> Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 04:29:02 -0700 (PDT) From: John Tidwell Subject: Alternate multitrack micro looper + effects To: Loopers Delight MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"VO-973.0.Z13.b3rUt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6663 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com OK, this is not the in depth, well thought out missive that I hope to share at some point in the future, but it seems timely. This is a "seat of my pants" posting that will probably raise more questions than it answers. It also adds to the already too long list of looping devices that are no longer in production. I nominate the Digitech GSP-2101 Artist(with 2nd SDISC installed). Think of it as the poor(er) man's Eventide. Good stuff- * a nice variety of delay types: mono, stereo, 2Tap, 4Tap, modulated, sampler * a lot of other effects: chorus, flange, pitch shift, detune, whammy, phasers, auto pan, mixers, EQs * a preamp that can go from clean to grunge * up to 10 parameters can be assigned to midi cc * and most important, user defined algorithms Not so good stuff- * max delay time 10 sec * no start/stop record capability (except for the samplers I guess. I really haven't figured them out yet) * no tap tempo I've owned this thing for over a year, but it's just recently that I've started to ponder its looping capabilities. I think it was a combination of Kim's posting on micro (granular?) looping with the EDP & the various threads on multitrack looping & the JamMan upgrade that made the light bulb turn on over my head. Imagine the following algorithm. You have 4 parallel effects paths. Three of these paths each contain a delay module, a pitch shifter, & an auto panner. Use 3 midi cc's to engage the individual repeat holds. Use 3 midi cc's to turn each paths volume on & off. Assign all three pitch shifters to an expression pedal. Use your remaining cc assignment to switch between clean & distorted preamp. On the 4th path, place yet another delay or other effect & a cabinet emulator. This is your "live" lead/solo path. In addition to the midi assignments, up to three parameters can be quickly accessed by special function buttons on the front panel. All in all, I think this is the best box that Digitech ever made. The manual is available at http://www.digitech.com Hey, it's time to go home! Ask 'em if ya got 'em. John === John Tidwell _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jul 1 08:03:31 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA17075; Thu, 1 Jul 1999 08:03:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 08:03:31 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: dmgraph@mail.earthlink.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 07:59:14 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: David Myers Subject: Headrush reviews Resent-Message-ID: <"Qfxj03.0.Mv3.GTrUt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6664 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com One of you Headrush owners on our illustrious list should offer up some comments for Harmony Central's effects database. There's only been one write-up for months, and the guy obviously didn't "get it". I find the database very useful, and would do a review myself, but don't have a Headrush yet.... From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jul 1 09:38:18 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA30502; Thu, 1 Jul 1999 09:38:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 09:38:18 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 09:22:17 -0500 Message-Id: <199907010922.AA187564724@iggle.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "illumnus" Reply-To: To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: ELOMD site up X-Mailer: Resent-Message-ID: <"UZXhm1.0.nv6.OksUt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6665 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I've been promising that i'd put up some of my music, finally put the site together, and although the site is fairly basic now, you can listen to three different mp3 clips of my work.... Please give it a listen and let me know what you think! Thanks! illumnus From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jul 1 10:02:23 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA01132; Thu, 1 Jul 1999 10:02:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 10:02:23 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: From: David Kirkdorffer To: "'PERILLE'" , Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: DJRND2 Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 09:48:33 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2524.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <"k-Ft42.0.Cr7._8tUt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6666 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Can anyone offer more info on this "DJRND2." Is it software? Is it hardware? Cost? Who makes it? Availability? How old is it? David K >DJRND2 : 14 separate and simultaneous stereo loops spread in a 16 >megabyte memory. >Emmanuel From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jul 1 10:14:07 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA03251; Thu, 1 Jul 1999 10:14:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 10:14:07 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: From: David Kirkdorffer To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" , Loopers-Delight-d@annihilist.com Subject: Synching EDP to a Drum machine Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 09:53:29 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2524.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <"1ck-M3.0.b-7.ZDtUt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6667 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I'm thinking of getting one of those groove-samplers / drum machines and synching it to my EDP. 1. Can anyone offer recommendations as far as which drum/groove-sampler I should look at? 1a. Why? 2. Any pitfalls or warnings about the synching process / set-up I will need? Thanks. At this point I only know how to spell MIDI. David K From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jul 1 10:54:19 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA10419; Thu, 1 Jul 1999 10:54:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 10:54:19 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199907011441.HAA05976@scv3.apple.com> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Thu, 01 Jul 1999 09:41:24 -0500 Subject: 32 sec JamMan FS $500 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: "Looper's Delight" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"hHiAb.0.Sz1.kutUt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6668 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >From Harmony Central, respond to the address at the end of the ad: Lexicon Jamman Asking Price: US$500 Condition: Excellent Age: 4 years Description: fully upgraded (32 seconds)digital looping device. $500/BO. Seller: Joseph Brenna, 6106279560 E-mail: josbrenna@aol.com (Profile) Location: MEDIA, PA Post Date: 6/30/99 From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jul 1 11:31:57 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA17237; Thu, 1 Jul 1999 11:31:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 11:31:57 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <377B89A0.70B@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 01 Jul 1999 08:30:40 -0700 From: scott kungha drengsen X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-MACOS8 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Boomerang MIDI References: <377B25BC.A66D3C5B@latrobe.edu.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"SHruO1.0.AE3.oJuUt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6669 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com The thing I miss the most about the 'Rang(I now use the Echoplex and the Jamman)is the easy reverse function w/the ability to loop over a reversed bassline-reverse fretless bass still one of the coolest sounds in the universe-.. What I'd like to see improved the most is the sampling rate .It was the sound quality-or lack thereof-that eventually caused me to abandon the 'Rang.The sample rate and the footswitches made it difficult for me to really nail grooves esp.w/other players.This isn't really an issue w/the Echoplex.I would definatly buy an upgraded 'Rang for situations where I'm mostly playing bass but, would like to loop in the groove. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jul 1 11:47:42 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA20419; Thu, 1 Jul 1999 11:47:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 11:47:42 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199907011536.LAA11397@home.gis.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Thu, 01 Jul 1999 11:36:03 -0400 Subject: pre and post processing an echoplex at the sametime without adding gear From: "Joe Conley" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"64yrS2.0.zR4.yhuUt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6670 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I need help pre and post processing an echoplex at the same time without adding gear. Right now I am using a splitter (uptown great divide) to run to an Eventide 3000ds/e , an TC Fireworx. and a intellifex. I combine them in a mixer (uptown flash) then run each output to a echoplex. It is great except I want to be able also to put the effetcs after the echoplex's too. How would i go about doing this? Joe From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jul 1 12:04:47 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA24056; Thu, 1 Jul 1999 12:04:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 12:04:47 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <012601bec3d7$448f9cc0$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: Subject: Re: Boomerang MIDI Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 10:34:54 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"Sc1Cg3.0.Qn4.gouUt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6671 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >The thing I miss the most about the 'Rang(I now use the Echoplex and the >Jamman)is the easy reverse function w/the ability to loop over a >reversed bassline-reverse fretless bass still one of the coolest sounds >in the universe-.. I find the EDP easy to reverse but I'm not too familiar with the 'Rang. I only know what I've read about it on out Looper's Delight website. How is it easier? Dennis Leas ----------------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jul 1 13:18:37 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA04537; Thu, 1 Jul 1999 13:18:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 13:18:37 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <377BA5BE.379F@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 01 Jul 1999 10:30:38 -0700 From: scott kungha drengsen X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-MACOS8 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Boomerang MIDI References: <012601bec3d7$448f9cc0$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"EiaMa2.0.nk.V3wUt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6673 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com There's a button on the front of it,one doesn't need to go into the program.Of course w/the Boomerang one can't. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jul 1 13:28:34 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA06359; Thu, 1 Jul 1999 13:28:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 13:28:34 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <377BA090.3A1C@prodigy.net> Date: Thu, 01 Jul 1999 12:08:32 -0500 From: Steve Dee Reply-To: stevedee@prodigy.net Organization: Prodigy Internet X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Boomerang References: <199907010710.DAA14989@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"dYvYR.0.QD1.wDwUt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6674 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > By the way, I appreciate & note all comments on this sight even if I > don't usually respond. We're cataloging ideas & requests for the next > generation product. Thanks. > > -- > Mike Nelson > > Boomerang Musical Products 800-530-4699 > PO Box 541595 214-343-1038, Fax > Dallas, TX 75354-1595 mnelson@dmans.com, email > > http://www.boomerangmusic.com > > "Some products make you sound better; > the Boomerang Phrase Sampler makes you play better." Hi, Mike. We'll see about the making me play better part, though I really want it to make me sound better. I'm picking up my brand new Boomerang Phrase Sampler (4 minutes) Saturday. I'll let everybody know what I think. -- Steve http://pages.prodigy.net/stevedee From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jul 1 13:38:24 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA08339; Thu, 1 Jul 1999 13:38:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 13:38:24 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <377BA625.BE2F80E9@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 01 Jul 1999 10:32:28 -0700 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Godel, Escher, Bach and Headrush References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Svt9y1.0.Eg1.DNwUt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6675 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com KB305@aol.com wrote: > And I wouldn't want you to overlook 'Zen Guitar' by Philip Toshio Sudo. > i second that. excellent book! lance g. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jul 1 13:59:04 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA12470; Thu, 1 Jul 1999 13:59:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 13:59:04 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 13:50:02 -0500 Message-Id: <199907011350.AA111870648@iggle.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "illumnus" Reply-To: To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: ELOMD site, errata X-Mailer: Resent-Message-ID: <"r22uJ.0.jc2.PfwUt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6676 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I'd like to post a valuable addition to my previous message about my music site... the ADDRESS!! heh. You can find it at: http://www.iggle.com/elomd/ It's what i get for posting at evil times of morning. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jul 1 14:19:20 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA17121; Thu, 1 Jul 1999 14:19:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 14:19:20 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 14:12:07 EDT Subject: Re: Godel, Escher, Bach and Headrush To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0.i for Windows 95 sub 134 Resent-Message-ID: <"KzYny.0.Mq3.l-wUt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6677 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 30/06/99 17:54:21 GMT Daylight Time, dbaldwin@suffolk.lib.ny.us writes: > "Godel, Escher, Bach" by Douglas Hofstadter Great book! Tell us more about your GEB inspired music. DH's "Metamagical Themas" contains an article on polyrhythms in Chopin's piano music, some of which are pretty involved. He's also done something about video looping, I can't find it in either of the above though. Andy Butler From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jul 1 14:57:16 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA06257; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 16:31:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 16:31:50 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.32.19990621222051.006fcf98@email.aon.at> X-Sender: aon.912027787@email.aon.at X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 22:21:27 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: haeusle Subject: echoplex, reply from Michael Ayers/ Oberheim!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/enriched; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"vITFb2.0.UQ.mjfRt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6494 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com shiny happy loopers, that's what i got from oberheim/ opcode/ gibson (whoever...) about the same reply as our list member Michael Tuminello got. what about you? did someone else hear anything? come one, let's keep the pressure on'em! we don't take no as an answer ;-) lorenz with a motu 2408 in a few days!!! *happy* At 09:46 21.06.99 -0500, you wrote: >Good morning; > >Production of the Echoplex has been temporarily suspended, due to a >restructuring of Oberheim. We expect to be back in production in about three >months. > >Please stay tuned to our web site at; > >http://www.gibson.com > >for further information as it develops. > >Thanks for writing. > > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Rob McLemore >Sent: Friday,June 18,1999 1:00 PM >To: Michael Ayers >Subject: FW: echoplex > > > haeusle@aon.at > >-----Original Message----- >From: haeusle >To: relations@gibson.com >Sent: 6/18/99 12:51 PM >Subject: echoplex > >hi there! > >there are a lot of rumours going around the edp. could you please >clarify >the situation? is it still produced? when is it introduced to europe? > >greetings from austria, >lorenz > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jul 1 14:59:10 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA20337; Thu, 1 Jul 1999 14:35:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 14:35:39 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <00bf01bec3ed$ffad8560$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: Subject: interesting news??? Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 13:17:36 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"-rele.0.jZ4.9BxUt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6678 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Regarding intellectual rights and Geocities, I thought fellow loopers might find this article interesting... http://www.news.com/News/Item/0,4,84-38463,00.html?tt.yfin..txt.ni Sounds like "You post, you lose" to me... Dennis Leas ----------------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jul 1 15:17:39 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA06687; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 16:37:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 16:37:09 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Quohrenmpg@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 16:26:56 EDT Subject: Re: EDP Buy - The Numbers so far... To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 4.0.i for Windows 95 sub 23 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by rosy.yourwebhost.com id QAA03958 Resent-Message-ID: <"I_Jzc.0.p-.JtdUt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6646 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In einer eMail vom 28.06.99 23:25:48 (MEZ) - Mitteleurop. Sommerzeit schreibt DKirkdorffer@exapps.com: hi, thatīs for the list: FORM B B. "ONLY 99% OR LESS COMMITED" ORDER FORM B. frieder zimmermann B. talstr.48, 01731 quohren, germany B. day/NIGHT PHONE:+49/35206/23018 B. E-MAIL:quohrenmpg@aol.com B. NUMBER OF EDP'S YOU WANT TO ORDER: 1 B. HOW MANY EDP'S DO YOU ALREADY OWN? until not edp B. DO YOU ALREADY OWN ANOTHER ? lexicon jamman B. WHAT INSTRUMENT(S) DO YOU PLAY? guitar, alto, bass how much time it will take ? please mail: thanx frieder From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jul 1 15:19:56 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA27309; Thu, 1 Jul 1999 12:22:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 12:22:37 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 17:06:48 +0100 (BST) From: Jim Carter To: list server loopers delight Subject: Re: Synching EDP to a Drum machine (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"-1QxE3.0.R06.U9vUt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6672 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > I'm thinking of getting one of those groove-samplers / drum machines and > synching it to my EDP. > > 1. Can anyone offer recommendations as far as which drum/groove-sampler I > should look at? > 1a. Why? > Take a look at the Korg Electribe grooveboxes. There are two - the EA-1 (just bought one) is an analogue modelling synth/pattern sequencer with sounds rather different to other units on the market and are currently selling like hot cakes. You get two seperate channels with two oscillators per channel, independantly editable with most of the usual analogue synth controls + flange and delay. The second ER-1 is the rhythm groovebox which sounds even whackier (I think this has four oscillators per voice + LFO modulation) but I couldn't afford one of these (yet). These toys are 350 (pounds UK) a piece (I doubt you will see one second hand for a while) but IMHO well worth it. (this is the first e-mail in which I've used "IMHO", DoH!) > 2. Any pitfalls or warnings about the synching process / set-up I will need? > The physical act of syncing is very easy. Decide which unit will determine the pace, ie EDP or groovebox. Buy a MIDI cable. Join "MIDI out" to "MIDI in" and set the clock source on the units appropriately (eg clock=Ext on the groovebox). The "artistic" act of syncing is as you would guess an art. The way I tend to work is to start a short loop, multiply it up and when it get really swirly bring in the sequencer (for God sake you remember all those old Tangerine Dream albums). There are then various way to play with the relative "speed" of the system whilst maintaining sync. (see discussion of EDP "1/16th" function for insight). I imagine it is all to easy to get thing desperatly stretched or squashed but maybe thats just a piece of art looking like a bit of junk until it get discovered and appreciated. > At this point I only know how to spell MIDI. > Nonsense you have managed to spell many words (a hell of a lot better than me). off the play with my Electribe Jim Carter > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jul 1 15:32:02 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA32288; Thu, 1 Jul 1999 15:32:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 15:32:02 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <377B89A0.70B@earthlink.net> References: <377B25BC.A66D3C5B@latrobe.edu.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 12:18:19 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Boomerang MIDI Resent-Message-ID: <"kqf3f3.0.g17.JxxUt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6679 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 8:30 AM -0700 7/1/99, scott kungha drengsen wrote: >The thing I miss the most about the 'Rang(I now use the Echoplex and the >Jamman)is the easy reverse function w/the ability to loop over a >reversed bassline-reverse fretless bass still one of the coolest sounds >in the universe-.. On the echoplex, go to the InsertMode parameter, set it to Reverse. (It will say "REU" on the display.) Then the insert button becomes the reverse button, and you have reverse instantly available with no troubles. I think this is just like the boomerang. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jul 1 15:46:11 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA02616; Thu, 1 Jul 1999 15:46:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 15:46:11 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <2.2.32.19990701193037.007079e0@mail.dada.it> X-Sender: cavallo@mail.dada.it X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 01 Jul 1999 21:30:37 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Leo Cavallo Subject: Re:AudioMulch live Resent-Message-ID: <"5NuUW1.0.t-7.OAyUt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6680 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi >The MOTU 2408 is excellent. That allows you to use auxilliaries on >AudioMulch - lucky man. you need just a multioutput audio card... try a Gina... I had it for a while and it's a great card (2 ins/8 outs, I/O spdif). I use a very old Turtle Beach tahiti card which >is quite clean but has developed a DC offset over the last year. Turtle >Beach don't seem interested in telling me how to cure it or even if it's >possible. Still for live its ok. In the studio I use digital only. >I plug my Strat and an old hawaian guitar which my wife bought me for 30 >quid from a secondhand shop. It has a bass e string and some rubber >mutes attatched. I play it with a violin bow and an Ebow. It's my own >idea and sounds quite unlike a guitar - especially after its been >through AM! interesting... any audio file on the web? >I'm very influenced by Indian, and Middle Eastern music as well as North >African stuff and my live set is the bastard son of impressionistic, >electronically processed extended guitar and the above Ethnic influences >- not bad for a Welshman eh :) >This RMX thing sounds cool. I take it you're firing samples/ keyboard >stuff?? I'm (was???) a bassist/stick player, with a great interest in sampling, sound designing, HD recording, etc. The RM1x is a great thing for live control/playing... it's mainly a sequencer with great live features... plus a tons of internal sounds to use it as external expander... I've bought it after testing the unit for the mag I write for (same thing for the MOTU2408.... ;) ) and it's a great tool to play complex MIDI sequences all in real time. IMO the best live hardware sequencer on the market at the moment... I notice Doepfer have brought a unit out with 64 assignable midi >control knobs which sounds interesting. I'm running out of foot >controllers since I can't really take my hands off the guitar during >performance. I'm thinking of running a sequencer program alongside AM so >that I can generate a MIDI data track which changes various things >automatically during the piece. The sequencer I normally use is VST but >this is very resource hungry and probably overkill for this application. > I don't suppose anyone knows of a simple sequencer capable of recording >a few tracks of controller data, preferably with the ability to trigger >individual sequences spontaneously? :) I might check out some of these >algorithmic utilities that you see dotted around the net. > >I use a standard desktop PC for live work. I don't mind living >dangerously and, (so far) no problems at all. for me a PC on stage is a big pain in the arse... firstly because I should unmount all my studio (the PC is the recording, sampling and editing centre) and then because I'm still not too confident in its stability... >Incidenatally you can get Xverb, (free) from the URL I posted a week or >so back. could you repost it? >Sorry for the long email. >If others find this irrelevant then I'll email you privately. ciao leo > >Hwyl, >Gareth > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jul 1 17:03:13 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA21377; Thu, 1 Jul 1999 17:03:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 17:03:13 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <377BD5A0.B6C8274@dial.pipex.com> Date: Thu, 01 Jul 1999 21:54:56 +0100 From: Gareth Whittock X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: VST? References: <199906302222.SAA26610@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"K2Kwp2.0.Sp4.AMzUt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6681 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi Cubase VST is a combined hard disc recorder and MIDI sequencer. Not really a looping tool. AudioMulch can be used as a looper. Yes Cubase VST is available for Mac. Cheers, Gareth > OK, I'm going to bare my ignorance and ask: > > What is VST, and is it available for the Mac OS? > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jul 1 17:04:14 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA21485; Thu, 1 Jul 1999 17:04:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 17:04:14 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <377BD674.698F@club-internet.fr> Date: Thu, 01 Jul 1999 22:58:28 +0200 From: PERILLE Reply-To: perille@club-internet.fr X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 [fr]C-CLUB (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: DJRND2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"gSkR32.0.Dw4.EOzUt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6682 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > Can anyone offer more info on this "DJRND2." > > Is it software? > Is it hardware? > Cost? > Who makes it? > Availability? > How old is it? > > David K Hardware for DJ's, works in BPM, 14 stereo loops continuously spinning while recording, automatic sync with turntables at a given tempo, a revolutionary recording method (gearwheel looping process). A device cost 686 Euros, made in France at Villemomble (near Paris) Homemade product, steel package, ALPS potentiometers, SHADOWS keys, a DSP sharpened technology (28 loop polyphony in real time) based upon a patented new looping method. Djrnd2 is really usable on live with turntables while playing records, the only sampler that simultaneously records and plays loops without any need of preparation. Quite a simple, efficient and funny tool. Devices are available 9 months old, upgrated to 40 khz Fs http://web.club-internet.fr/perille Emmanuel PERILLE inventor and manufacturer perille@club-internet.fr From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jul 1 18:35:57 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA06250; Thu, 1 Jul 1999 18:35:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 18:35:57 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Subject: Re: VST? Date: Thu, 1 Jul 99 16:32:19 -0600 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: Doug Tapia To: , Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Message-ID: <1281250665-1130552@arts.unco.edu> Resent-Message-ID: <"twcWe.0._J1.Qm-Ut"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6683 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com OK, I'll jump in here. What Gareth has said about _Cuebase VST_ is true. To anwser your question more completly, VST stands for Virtual Studio Technology and is a cross platform plug-in arcetecture like _Direct-X_ on windows machines, _Audio Suite_ on Mac and Windows, and _TDM_ on Digidesign ProTools compatable hardware running on either Mac or Windows NT. VST plug-ins run in real time and usually function as inserts within the virtual mixing console of a compatable host program. Unlike TDM plugins, VST plug-ins do not use a DSP farmcard for their audio processing power, but rather use the horsepower of fast Pentium or Power PC processor. This makes getting started easier, but will impose processor dependant limits on how many effects you can use at once. I've found that the use of multiple VST plug-ins can also cause about a 1 sec. delay between the input of a signal and it being echoed out the monitor output in MOTU's 2408--which is why I consider this system to be unusable for any serious recording, as most users will have to disable all plug-in processing when in record mode, or monitor the source pre-2408 and try to line up by ear with the tracks that are playing back -- thus necessitating 2 pair of nearfields. (I'll go into further details on the evils of MOTU at another time if anyone cares to hear.) Anyway, the VST compatable programs that I'm aware of are: Steinberg _Cubase VST_ (or course), Opcode _Vision DSP_, MOTU _Performer_, and Emagic _Logic Platinum, Gold, and Silver_. (Logic Platinum, Studio Vision Pro, and I believe, Digital Performer all can support TDM hardware as well, and hence run the more powerfull TDM plug-ins) There is excellent info at all of the above companies web sites, and for my money, Logic's look and feel the coolest. Plug-ins are a great way to work and are usually much easier to use than their rack mount equivelants, as you can see big frequency graphs, etc. There are also some shareware and freeware plug-ins floating on the web. Check it out: It'll change your life... Loop on, Doug >Cubase VST is a combined hard disc recorder and MIDI sequencer. Not >really a looping tool. AudioMulch can be used as a looper. >Yes Cubase VST is available for Mac. > >Cheers, > >Gareth > >> OK, I'm going to bare my ignorance and ask: >> >> What is VST, and is it available for the Mac OS? >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jul 1 20:39:59 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA26753; Thu, 1 Jul 1999 20:39:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 20:39:59 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <00a401bec420$60ddd1a0$112a10ac@Douglas> From: "K. Douglas Baldwin" To: , Subject: Re: Godel, Escher, Bach and Headrush Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 20:15:49 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"ZpZdi1.0.2f5.-L0Vt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6684 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com -----Original Message----- From: SoundFNR@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Thursday, July 01, 1999 2:12 PM Subject: Re: Godel, Escher, Bach and Headrush >In a message dated 30/06/99 17:54:21 GMT Daylight Time, >dbaldwin@suffolk.lib.ny.us writes: > >> "Godel, Escher, Bach" by Douglas Hofstadter >Great book! >Tell us more about your GEB inspired music. > >DH's "Metamagical Themas" contains an article on polyrhythms in Chopin's >piano music, >some of which are pretty involved. > >He's also done something about video looping, I can't find it >in either of the above though. > >Andy Butler Briefly, I write very simple "strict canons" as note-reading exercises for my guitar students. The classic "strict canon" we all know is "Row, Row, Row Your Boat" where each person enters in four-beat "phasing", creating harmony and counterpoint from a single melody. The effect is exactly like looping over loops in real time, and the challenge for most students is to remain focused on what they are playing while hearing what they just played four beats ago. The same problem we all face when jamming with a looping device in real time! I also "write" for loops, creating preplanned counterpoint and "call and response" patterns. Now that I've got my hands on the Headrush, I'll be out gigging in a matter of weeks, performing some of this stuff in the Long Island NY area. There's a long, boring non-story behind how I managed to let twelve years pass between my first batch of looping gigs and today. Ask me when you see me. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jul 1 21:58:17 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA06804; Thu, 1 Jul 1999 21:58:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 21:58:17 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <377C19D4.55AB@voicenet.com> Date: Thu, 01 Jul 1999 21:45:56 -0400 From: legion X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Members of LD CD#! please read this... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"oVTSv3.0.0D1.Uf1Vt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6685 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com i am getting the final touches on the CD #1 reissue and need to contact all the original artists. i have sent an email out to most based on the addresses in the Cd but if you are one of them and you have not gotten my email please contact me ASAP so we can discuss the final details. Everyone who has expressed interest in buying a copy 9or two!) of this great project THANKS! it won't be long now... ----------------------------------------------------------------------- HELP WANTED PRODUCTIONS - Http://www.voicenet.com/~legion "Bringing you the best in Organic Electronic music since we started..." Home of the Unusual Instrument and Recording Gallery with pictures and info of Tube recorders, Omnichords, weird guitars, Casios, and more. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jul 1 23:09:04 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA19742; Thu, 1 Jul 1999 23:09:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 23:09:04 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <003a01bec437$5796d260$101cbfa8@default> Reply-To: "Collins" From: "Collins" To: Subject: Re: interesting news??? Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 23:02:36 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"rsqGN3.0.ib4.pm2Vt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6687 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Yea, I know, and i'm getting off of it. Jeffrey Collins A Strange View of Music Showcasing the music of Jeffrey Collins and Ken Rubenstein www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Stadium/1429/STRANGETONES.html "I TRUST IMPULSE, CREATIVE INTUITION, AND UNMOTIVATED SPONTANEITY, BUT ABOVE ALL RESPONSIVE ACTION WITH AS MANY FILTERS THAT ONE CAN AVOID." Robert Rauschenberg -----Original Message----- From: Dennis W. Leas To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Thursday, July 01, 1999 2:34 PM Subject: interesting news??? >Regarding intellectual rights and Geocities, I thought fellow loopers might >find this article interesting... > >http://www.news.com/News/Item/0,4,84-38463,00.html?tt.yfin..txt.ni > >Sounds like "You post, you lose" to me... > >Dennis Leas >----------------------------- >dennis@mdbs.com > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jul 1 23:13:23 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA20654; Thu, 1 Jul 1999 23:13:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 23:13:23 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <000a01bec436$f16a34a0$7260aec7@default> From: "Alan Imberg" To: "Loopers" Subject: Live Accompaniment Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 19:59:42 -0700 Organization: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0007_01BEC3FC.4231FDE0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Resent-Message-ID: <"0L5Xj2.0.MX4.Ul2Vt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6686 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01BEC3FC.4231FDE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Greetings: In the most recent issue of Guitar Player magazine, there is an article = on the use of MiniDisc backing tracks for live performances by solo = artists. This article is timely for me because I'm currently developing = a repertoire of recorded rhythmic and ambient accompaniment to = supplement my guitar looping for solo live performances. My desire is to = maintain an improvisational element in my performance but also to give = the gig some structure with the accompaniment, which I'm committing to = CD via my new HP CD recorder. I would like to hear from other members of = this list who are doing similar things. I'd be interested in hearing how = others use accompaniment (what kind of medium, what desired effects are = being achieved, etc..).=20 Best Regards, Alan Imberg ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01BEC3FC.4231FDE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Greetings:
In the most recent issue of Guitar = Player=20 magazine, there is an article on the use of MiniDisc backing tracks for = live=20 performances by solo artists. This article is timely for me because I'm=20 currently developing a repertoire of recorded rhythmic and ambient = accompaniment=20 to supplement my guitar looping for solo live performances. My desire is = to=20 maintain an improvisational element in my performance but also to give = the gig=20 some structure with the accompaniment, which I'm committing to CD via my = new HP=20 CD recorder. I would like to hear from other members of this list who = are doing=20 similar things. I'd be interested in hearing how others use = accompaniment (what=20 kind of medium, what desired effects are being achieved, etc..). =
Best Regards,
Alan = Imberg
------=_NextPart_000_0007_01BEC3FC.4231FDE0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jul 1 23:40:51 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA25060; Thu, 1 Jul 1999 23:40:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 23:40:51 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: dmgraph@mail.earthlink.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <1281250665-1130552@arts.unco.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 23:38:41 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: David Myers Subject: Re: VST? Resent-Message-ID: <"FPGVE3.0.Zu5.rD3Vt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6688 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com On the topic of VST, has anyone here yet tried out Cycling 74's "Pluggo"? Sounds too good to be true, 74 extreme VST plugins for $74. Let's see some comment! http://www.cycling74 From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jul 2 00:41:24 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA07327; Fri, 2 Jul 1999 00:41:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 00:41:24 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 00:35:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Unit Circle Media To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: EDP vs boomerang In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"7sOfe.0.EZ1.Q64Vt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6689 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > you can have multiple loops in the rang.....michael > Not in mine you can't. I heard that they were going to do a software update that would allow it to do multiple loops. I figured I would have heard about that though. Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jul 2 00:45:44 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA08195; Fri, 2 Jul 1999 00:45:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 00:45:44 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Hawkeye255@aol.com Message-ID: <80346de9.24ad9bf8@aol.com> Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 00:37:12 EDT Subject: Re: Live Accompaniment To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Resent-Message-ID: <"DvdhZ.0.fh1.y84Vt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6690 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com << I'm currently developing a repertoire of recorded rhythmic and ambient accompaniment to supplement my guitar looping for solo live performances >> I use my own original midi tracks and recorded loops (SP-808) for the same thing. Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jul 2 00:56:31 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA10109; Fri, 2 Jul 1999 00:56:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 00:56:31 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 00:50:12 -0400 (EDT) From: Unit Circle Media To: "Mikell D. Nelson" cc: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Boomerang MIDI In-Reply-To: <377AF39C.3CDA@dmans.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"dTq_s2.0.QE2.ZK4Vt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6691 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I'd be happy with something that all the features of the rang, but did two loops and let you mix them with a pedal or the cool rolly-wheel. Kevin Kevin Goldsmith kevin@unitcircle.com Unit Circle Media http://www.unitcircle.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jul 2 07:47:48 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA32574; Fri, 2 Jul 1999 07:47:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 07:47:48 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: dmgraph@mail.earthlink.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <00d101bec317$3a9bb660$472a10ac@Douglas> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 07:41:36 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: David Myers Subject: Zoom 508 Resent-Message-ID: <"2TR6Z1.0.rc7.aIAVt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6692 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Just thought I'd mention that Zoom seems to be dropping the 508, which according to some is a decent 4 second looper. Musician's Friend is blowing them out for $90, which isn't a killer price, but any discontinued item from a large manufacturer is worth keeping an eye on. Might be worth a call to Sam Ash--sometimes their blowouts are pretty incredible. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jul 2 09:05:28 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA10688; Fri, 2 Jul 1999 09:05:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 09:05:28 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199907021248.IAA10512@mail-out-1.tiac.net> Subject: Another Review in Progression Date: Fri, 2 Jul 99 08:49:46 -0400 x-sender: jdurant@pop.tiac.net x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: jdurant To: "Loopers-Delight" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <"dX5Ex1.0.722.mIBVt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6693 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Congrats to our friends in the Dark AetherProject on a terrific review in Progression. As it happens, a couple pages let, there's another review that may be of interest to the looping community; my new CD, Anatomy of a Wish: Anatomy is a surprisingly quiet disc, given the heavyweight talent involved. Durant is credited with "abusing" not only standard guitars, but Cloud Guitars, E-bow and harmonic bow, while Tony Levin applies muscle to Stick, bass, and electric Upright Bass. (Michael Manring, no slouch himself in the low-end department, contributes fretless bass to one track, "Driving North.") And Vinny Sabatino all but steals the show with his wonderfully centered, evocative percussion parts. The disc is immediately very calming; soft cloud guitars over tabla and bowed bass set up a Durant guitar solo, with Fripp-like sustain. Ghost trails of delay, with Sabatino's tabla sounding like udu drums in their sharp, liquid resonance, decorate the track with Manring, while "Imminence" (good headphone piece) has shimmering cloud guitar chords, reminiscent of Greek synthesist Iasos, but darker. This segues into "What Mattered Once," where Levin's bass establishes an ostinato, with gentle bells and gongs. There's also a Jon Hassell feel to tracks like "Sirocco," where dark clouds hover on the horizon, over what sounds like a drumset played like tabla. The longest piece (at 12:43), "Minaret," has an edgy guitar solo, with phantom trails of sound burnt into the atmosphere in all directions. Durant's guitar at one point sounds like a long wire recoiling at high speed. The very attractive sound mix of this cut comes to a head around the eight minute mark, where the massed sounds recede into the distance, allowing the bass and percussion to gain the foreground. Durant's lines swirl and lie down to rest in the track's final minutes. If you have a taste for music that explores the dark regions, and even find comfort in such areas, Anatomy Of A Wish comes highly recommended. -Larry Nai, Progression Magazine. I should point out that when Larry commented on the Tablas sounding like Udu drums, it's because it was an udu drum. There are no tablas on this record. Vinny and I spent a lot of time exploring a bunch of different drums and percussive instruments, and ways of attacking them, and the results are not very obvious as to their original source. Also: the long piece, "Minaret," was recorded "live" without any overdubs. Finally, all the cloud guitar parts involve the use of a couple JamMen (some looped, some long delays, and some samples (backwards), and an LXP-15-II and Vortex. OK, shameless plug over now. Jon From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jul 2 10:00:10 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA19247; Fri, 2 Jul 1999 10:00:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 10:00:10 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1281199135==_ma============" X-Sender: m1cha3l@mail.earthlink.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199907020712.DAA00475@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 09:45:59 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Michael Tuminello Subject: backing solo performances Cc: "Alan Imberg" Resent-Message-ID: <"tD_X82.0.G34.K9CVt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6694 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com --============_-1281199135==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi - my original plan was to do something similar (probably midi synth + drum backing only), until I saw a guy @ Sidewalk cafe in NY do this. He seemed like an accomplished musician - he had arranged string tracks and all kinds of crazy backing for his stuff. However, the end result for me was that I felt like he was playing karaoke. I had the feeling that he wasn't even singing or playing guitar anymore, and that it was all recorded. (Not true, but that's what it felt like to me.) At that point I decided that a full band was the way to go. Other people may have differing opnions (I'm sure they will), but you should try to check out someone who performs like this before you totally commit to doing it yourself, in my opinion. I went from no doubt that it would work to completely discarding the idea. MT > >Greetings: >In the most recent issue of Guitar Player magazine, there is an article on >the use of MiniDisc backing tracks for live performances by solo artists. >This article is timely for me because I'm currently developing a >repertoire of recorded rhythmic and ambient accompaniment to supplement my >guitar looping for solo live performances. My desire is to maintain an >improvisational element in my performance but also to give the gig some >structure with the accompaniment, which I'm committing to CD via my new HP >CD recorder. I would like to hear from other members of this list who are >doing similar things. I'd be interested in hearing how others use >accompaniment (what kind of medium, what desired effects are being >achieved, etc..). >Best Regards, >Alan Imberg --============_-1281199135==_ma============ Content-Type: text/enriched; charset="us-ascii" Hi - my original plan was to do something similar (probably midi synth + drum backing only), until I saw a guy @ Sidewalk cafe in NY do this. He seemed like an accomplished musician - he had arranged string tracks and all kinds of crazy backing for his stuff. However, the end result for me was that I felt like he was playing karaoke. I had the feeling that he wasn't even singing or playing guitar anymore, and that it was all recorded. (Not true, but that's what it felt like to me.) At that point I decided that a full band was the way to go. Other people may have differing opnions (I'm sure they will), but you should try to check out someone who performs like this before you totally commit to doing it yourself, in my opinion. I went from no doubt that it would work to completely discarding the idea. MT Greetings: In the most recent issue of Guitar Player magazine, there is an article on the use of MiniDisc backing tracks for live performances by solo artists. This article is timely for me because I'm currently developing a repertoire of recorded rhythmic and ambient accompaniment to supplement my guitar looping for solo live performances. My desire is to maintain an improvisational element in my performance but also to give the gig some structure with the accompaniment, which I'm committing to CD via my new HP CD recorder. I would like to hear from other members of this list who are doing similar things. I'd be interested in hearing how others use accompaniment (what kind of medium, what desired effects are being achieved, etc..).
Best Regards, Alan Imberg
--============_-1281199135==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jul 2 10:10:45 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA21220; Fri, 2 Jul 1999 10:10:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 10:10:45 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <073C734BD702D311A0E90001FA7E09472857BE@letterbox.kscl.com> From: Anthony Mullen To: Loopers-Delight-d@annihilist.com, "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: - laptops/ADATs/soundcards Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 14:50:27 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"R67mO2.0.oP4.cGCVt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6695 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi, I'm wondering if anyone can help. . . . . Is it possible to have a laptop that can handle : - a pro midi interface (MOTU) - a pro audio card with ADAT interface - running VST24 I know there is a some hardware from Ego Systems called the Wami which is a DSP Based 20 Bit 4 Channel Integrated PCMCIA Digital Audio System with 16 Channel Internal Hardware Mixing & FX, 64 Voice Sampler / Synth THING. Bottom line here is - is it feasible at the moment to have a serious pro audio setup on a laptop? Any advice loopers? Thanks Anthony From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jul 2 10:11:05 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA21351; Fri, 2 Jul 1999 10:11:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 10:11:05 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <2.2.32.19990702135129.0070db9c@mail.dada.it> X-Sender: cavallo@mail.dada.it X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 02 Jul 1999 15:51:29 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Leo Cavallo Subject: Re: VST? Resent-Message-ID: <"Fs6c41.0.9T4.WICVt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6696 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi Doug and all I think there're a few misconceptions here... ;) At 16.32 01/07/99 -0600, you wrote: >OK, I'll jump in here. What Gareth has said about _Cuebase VST_ is true. > To anwser your question more completly, VST stands for Virtual Studio >Technology and is a cross platform plug-in arcetecture like _Direct-X_ on >windows machines, _Audio Suite_ on Mac and Windows, and _TDM_ on >Digidesign ProTools compatable hardware running on either Mac or Windows >NT. > the Virtual Studio Technology is the whole software architecture, not just the plugin system >I've found that the use of multiple VST plug-ins can also cause about a 1 >sec. delay between the input of a signal and it being echoed out the >monitor output in MOTU's 2408--which is why I consider this system to be >unusable for any serious recording, as most users will have to disable >all plug-in processing when in record mode, or monitor the source >pre-2408 and try to line up by ear with the tracks that are playing back >-- thus necessitating 2 pair of nearfields. (I'll go into further details >on the evils of MOTU at another time if anyone cares to hear.) I dunno if you're working on Mac or PC system, but latency at the moment is an inevitable "problem" with every audio card on the market. It's due to the internal computer architecture... it's the delay the whole system puts between its audio input and output... Consider that the MOTU 2408 (that I own too and I'm very happy with) probably has the lowest latency value around... down to 3ms on my P2 350mhz... I call this real time... Consider a lot of MIDI instruments (to be played live) have 3-6ms latency... And, on PC, latency doesn't depend on how many plug ins you open but exclusively on the card buffer(s) settings. BTW, like real studio usually do, it's better to record straight clean and then process the signal (with plug ins), than recording wet... so latency should not be a big problem... in fact big latency values are a problem only for mixing, when your moves on the virtual mixers have a delay on the music played. ciao leo From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jul 2 10:53:49 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA29279; Fri, 2 Jul 1999 10:53:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 10:53:49 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 09:04:28 -0400 (EDT) From: billfox@lucent.com (William_B_Fox) Message-Id: <199907021304.JAA20001@badboy.micro.lucent.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: EMUSIC Playlist Resent-Message-ID: <"Yapzw2.0.pK6.QyCVt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6697 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Playlist for "EMUSIC" "EMUSIC," an electronic, ambient, and space music show, airs each Thursday at 11pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ. http://www.wdiyfm.org/schedule/s_emusic.html Show #121 July 1, 1999. Host: Bill Fox http://www.wdiyfm.org billfox@fast.net On this show, I began a month-long focus on Steve Roach. Steve is such a prolific composer that his wrok bears repeated attention. The feature CD at midnight was The Dream Circle, a Timeroom Editions release. Steve Roach : http://www.steveroach.com EMUSIC Focus : http://www.wdiyfm.org/emusic/playlists/focus.html ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== 11:00 pm Steve Roach Day One Stormwarning (Timeroom) Dom F. Scab Inner Innerseed (Free Records) Redshift Protoland Down Time (Champagne Lake) Biff Johnson Feldspar and Mica Mirage at the Crossroads (Broad Vista) Dweller at the Silent Watcher of Dark No Boundary Condition (Eurock) Threshold Matter Tim Story Dirge for a Sunless Day Three Feet from the Moon (Eurock) Steve Roach The Dream Circle The Dream Circle (Timeroom) 12:00 am Steve Roach The Dream Circle The Dream Circle (Timeroom) (continued) 1:00 am * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) On the next EMUSIC, I will continue the month-long focus on Steve Roach. This prolific composer is the master of tribal ambient and constantly forges new sonic territory to explore. The Feature CD at Midnight will be Quiet Music on the Fortuna label. Please visit the WDIY web site and navigate through the schedule to the EMUSIC pages. Playlists for every show are there. Hot links to artists and labels can be found in the monthly focus section. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jul 2 11:33:32 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA04228; Fri, 2 Jul 1999 11:33:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 11:33:32 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <015001bec49c$befbfc40$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: Subject: Re: backing solo performances Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 10:08:30 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"AHHIm1.0.XK.yVDVt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6698 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com -----Original Message----- From: Michael Tuminello >However, the end result for me was that I felt like he was playing karaoke. I had the feeling that he wasn't even singing or >playing guitar anymore, and that it was all recorded. (Not true, but that's what it felt like to me.) At that point I decided that >a full band was the way to go. > >Other people may have differing opnions (I'm sure they will), but you should try to check out someone who performs like >this before you totally commit to doing it yourself, in my opinion. I went from no doubt that it would work to completely >discarding the idea. Then again, other people may agree completely. I do. I'm trying to avoid my soapbox so I'll be brief. I encourage you to ask yourself questions like: "What am I trying to communicate? What is the audience picking up? What's the point of the performance? What is engaging about the performance? What do I (the performer) feel? Why am I doing this? What's the music about? Why is more sound important? What are the essential aspects of the music/performance and what isn't?" Personally, I feel that with today's unintelligent machines, playing with computers, etc. is boring. Both to the performer and the audience. At least with a looper there's some type of interplay but it can be boring as well. Best of luck. Perhaps you'll find a new way of doing things. Dennis Leas ----------------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jul 2 11:35:45 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA04671; Fri, 2 Jul 1999 11:35:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 11:35:45 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199907021522.LAA15986@popcorn.netaxs.com> From: "Don \"Mango\" Pancoe" To: X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Subject: WTB: Digitech PMC10 MIDI Foot Controller Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 11:21:36 -0400 Resent-Message-ID: <"-ISxs3.0.GY.HbDVt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6699 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Subject line pretty much says it all. If none of these are available, does anyone know of other MIDI foot controllers that can send both note ON and note OFF messages? I've looked at the MIDI Solutions MIDI Mapper, but that can only map to note ON messages. Appreciate your help, -- Mango -- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jul 2 12:44:32 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA17596; Fri, 2 Jul 1999 12:44:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 12:44:32 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199907021632.MAA15162@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Subject: Re: - laptops/ADATs/soundcards Date: Fri, 2 Jul 99 09:31:52 -0700 x-sender: matt@mail1.xoom.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0, March 15, 1997 From: Matt Peterson To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <"qWNqC3.0.Fj3.IcEVt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6701 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Check this out: http://www.magma.com/possibilities.htm and then this: http://www.apple.com/publishing/video/starwars/ A good portion of the dialog for Phantom Menace was field-recorded on a PowerBook G3 with a 6-rack space setup, including ProTool 888|24 interface and a power amp. 7/2/99 6:50 AM Anthony Mullen (anthony.mullen@KSCL.com) wrote: >Bottom line here is - is it feasible at the moment to have a serious pro >audio setup on a laptop? Matt Peterson Project Manager, Media Services XOOM.com, Inc. 300 Montgomery St., 3rd Floor San Francisco CA 94104 415-288-2505 FAX: 415-288-2575 matt@xoom.com NASDAQ: XMCM From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jul 2 12:39:42 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA16586; Fri, 2 Jul 1999 12:39:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 12:39:42 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <4bb5696a.24ae4312@aol.com> Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 12:30:10 EDT Subject: Re: EDP vs boomerang To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 Resent-Message-ID: <"L5nvD1.0.gf3.TbEVt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6700 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 7/2/99 3:41:18 AM Mid-Atlantic Daylight Time, unitcirc@unitcircle.com writes: << > you can have multiple loops in the rang.....michael > Not in mine you can't. I heard that they were going to do a software update that would allow it to do multiple loops. I figured I would have heard about that though. Kevin >> sorry kevin but i confused the "stack" feature with multiple loops.......michael From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jul 2 13:28:30 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA26241; Fri, 2 Jul 1999 13:28:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 13:28:30 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <377CF578.58B5@voicenet.com> Date: Fri, 02 Jul 1999 13:23:04 -0400 From: Legion X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.02 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: backing solo performances References: <015001bec49c$befbfc40$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"CxYIu1.0.kA6.4MFVt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6703 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > >However, the end result for me was that I felt like he was playing karaoke. > I had the feeling that he wasn't even singing or >playing guitar anymore, > and that it was all recorded. (Not true, but that's what it felt like to > me.) At that point I decided that >a full band was the way to go. I missed the begining of this thread so I'm not sure who you are talking about but a good example of backing tapes and Live performance could be seen on the recent Adrian Belew small club tour. Others like Todd Rundgren and even They Might Be Giatnts have done similar things but nowhere could you see the mix of live and tape so evident than in this belew show. Sometimes he played 100% live. Both acoustic songs and full blown noise guitar w/loops. Sometimes he played 99% live and then had a tiny bit of backing (Evidenced in the song "fly" where he played acoustic and then at the very end a beautiful ambient wash of sound filled out over the lyric). And sometimes he played guitar and sang doing just those parts while he had the rest of the song (bass, drums, keys, ect) on ADAt. He did this quite a bit on everything from his new solo material to a Bears song. All the controversies and benefits of this type of playing were in evidence. On somthing like "Fly" I think the tape added a lot to the performance. On the Bears song he simply played along. On "I Know What I Know" some tape was required even if everything was played by a band because there was an ongoing sample and intergral part of these songs that someone needed to trigger at various key points. Rather than have a samplist he opted for an Adat and played along. Did any of this this "hurt" the live element? IMO it may have a bit but the end result was fine. he was doing a showcase tour of a variety of stuff and mixed up the playing, improv, and backing so much you never knew what was next. also he was a great preformer and entertainer so you constantly were aware this was a live show no matter what was going on. Same with some of the playback pioneers such as Todd R, etc. While it is a matter of tatse these guys show that there also are a variety of ways you can perform - even with tapes - that make a show more spontaneous and exciting. In the 80s everyone from Nine Inch Nails to George Michaels to U2 used some form of "sweetening" in their live mix. In many cases people couldn't even tell, in others it might have been painfully obvious. Given the evolving nature of electronic based music I've found my own opinions changed over the years. I don't play with any backing tape and used to proudly wear "f*uk midi" t-shirts with my industrial band where everything including the synths and samplers were played 100% live. Now I deconstruct old weird records on 8RPM record players and process them in real time. Is that live? I dunno but I know I wouldn't have considered it a few years ago. Some solo electronic artists I know use a homebrew CDr as backing and then play over top of it. the Orb make no bones about the fact that they have a ton of multitracks onstage for all the parts and "simply" mix and process the tracks "Live". In both cases I've heard interesting and varied shows which went beyond kareoke type sets. Again a few years ago I would have been disturbed but if done right I see the benefit. It can be done wrong too as can the overuse of sequencers or anything else. Still it has it's niche and if used(abused?) properly can defeinitley add to a show solo or otherwise IMO. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- HELP WANTED PRODUCTIONS - Http://www.voicenet.com/~legion "Bringing you the best in Organic Electronic music since we started..." Home of the Unusual Instrument and Recording Gallery with pictures and info of Tube recorders, Omnichords, weird guitars, Casios, and more. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jul 2 13:31:44 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA26944; Fri, 2 Jul 1999 13:31:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 13:31:44 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Subject: Re: VST? Date: Fri, 2 Jul 99 11:21:28 -0600 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: Doug Tapia To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Message-ID: <1281182917-69786@arts.unco.edu> Resent-Message-ID: <"Y0U-c3.0.x36.0JFVt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6702 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >Subject: Re: VST? >Sent: 7/6/19 8:11 AM >Received: 7/2/99 10:10 AM >From: Leo Cavallo, cavallo@dada.it >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > >Hi Doug and all > >I think there're a few misconceptions here... ;) > >At 16.32 01/07/99 -0600, you wrote: >>OK, I'll jump in here. What Gareth has said about _Cuebase VST_ is true. >> To anwser your question more completly, VST stands for Virtual Studio >>Technology and is a cross platform plug-in arcetecture like _Direct-X_ on >>windows machines, _Audio Suite_ on Mac and Windows, and _TDM_ on >>Digidesign ProTools compatable hardware running on either Mac or Windows >>NT. >> > >the Virtual Studio Technology is the whole software architecture, not just >the plugin system > Yes, this is true, but for all but the programers out there, the plug-in aspect is the most significant feature of VST, wouldn't you say? >>I've found that the use of multiple VST plug-ins can also cause about a 1 >>sec. delay between the input of a signal and it being echoed out the >>monitor output in MOTU's 2408--which is why I consider this system to be >>unusable for any serious recording, as most users will have to disable >>all plug-in processing when in record mode, or monitor the source >>pre-2408 and try to line up by ear with the tracks that are playing back >>-- thus necessitating 2 pair of nearfields. (I'll go into further details >>on the evils of MOTU at another time if anyone cares to hear.) > >I dunno if you're working on Mac or PC system, but latency at the moment is >an inevitable "problem" with every audio card on the market. It's due to the >internal computer architecture... it's the delay the whole system puts >between its audio input and output... >Consider that the MOTU 2408 (that I own too and I'm very happy with) >probably has the lowest latency value around... down to 3ms on my P2 >350mhz... I call this real time... Consider a lot of MIDI instruments (to be >played live) have 3-6ms latency... >And, on PC, latency doesn't depend on how many plug ins you open but >exclusively on the card buffer(s) settings. > Maybe things have been upgraded since I checked out the 2408, but it was far from the "lowest latency around." I'm not calling you a liar, I just have a much different recolection of their system, and it was much more severe than 3ms. And that was on the fastest computer out there at the time. I will admit that for any serious DAW stuff, I will not go with anything less than a full-blown Protools system. >BTW, like real studio usually do, it's better to record straight clean and >then process the signal (with plug ins), than recording wet... so latency >should not be a big problem... I'll not even comment on the "real studio" comment, sufice it to say that I've had considerable time on SSLs, etc. In a plugin environment, I never print effects, but it is disconcerting to play while monitoring a dry signal. I always record Guitarists through ampfarm, but print only the dry signal, so I can tweek it later, for instance. If you're NOT working this way, you are missing half of the point of a plug-in DAW. >in fact big latency values are a problem only >for mixing, when your moves on the virtual mixers have a delay on the music >played. Which should be automated, eh? > Doug From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jul 2 13:45:21 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA29613; Fri, 2 Jul 1999 13:45:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 13:45:21 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <2148EC143F29D1118BE000805FC13CD0DB563C@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: possibly lame question Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 13:36:44 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Resent-Message-ID: <"vg45z2.0.Kx6.3bFVt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6704 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com hey, i think that i remember people were discussing power strips that had the outlets in sideways so that they could accomodate the dreaded wall warts. anyone have suggetsions? thanks, stig From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jul 2 14:25:31 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA04666; Fri, 2 Jul 1999 14:25:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 14:25:31 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: 02 Jul 99 14:18:02 -0400 From: "Jonathan Matis" Subject: RE: backing solo performances To: "Loopers-Delight" X-Mailer: QuickMail Pro 1.5.4 (Windows32) X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Reply-To: "Jonathan Matis" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-Ascii" Message-Id: <19990702140814.8d737ad1.in@fhserver.freedomhouse.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by rosy.yourwebhost.com id OAA03289 Resent-Message-ID: <"vK_ug3.0.ip.d9GVt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6705 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >Sometimes he played 99% live and >then had a tiny bit of >backing (Evidenced in the song "fly" where he >played acoustic and then >at the very end a beautiful ambient wash of sound >filled out over the >lyric). Off topic, but I was a little disappointed with the arrangement of "Fly." In the recorded version, the harp sample (as well as the harp-like guitar figures) help to clearly articulate the metaphorical vs. the literal level of the lyrics, which are loaded with angel/heaven/afterlife symbols. I had hoped that if he was going to allow for pre-recorded material in that song, his arrangement decisions might be more analytical, and less of "a wash at the end." I agree that the song sounded good - but I had hoped that the arranging would have been a little deeper. In more general terms, I think that show made a good case for prerecorded material in a live show. Honestly, I never felt like I was watching karaoke. However, that show also made a strong case for making the most of available (live) materials, like the solo version of "Dinosaur." I think the real issue isn't to allow recordings or not, it's all a matter of making effective arrangements. -Jon From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jul 2 15:07:13 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA12137; Fri, 2 Jul 1999 15:07:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 15:07:13 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 11:44:21 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: some good echoplex news Resent-Message-ID: <"RR4Fq2.0.Ux1.XXGVt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6706 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hey EDP fans- I got some good Echoplex DP news today. I can't tell you most of it, on account of being sworn to secrecy :-), but suffice to say it sounds great! All the right executive decisions have apparently been made in Gibson land, and production is just starting up again. They expect to have Echoplexes available again in August. This time, they expect to have enough quantity to more than meet demand, and get this: they plan on drastically cutting the price! All the details about who will sell it, where, how, what it will be called, what division it falls under, etc., are being kept under wraps for now. (it won't be Opcode, for reasons that will become obvious soon enough....) They will be letting us know all that as soon as they are ready. So stay tuned... This is a great way to start off my weekend, let me tell ya! kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jul 2 15:26:58 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA15598; Fri, 2 Jul 1999 15:26:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 15:26:58 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 12:15:59 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel) Subject: Re: VST? Resent-Message-ID: <"bG5bW2.0.h93.txGVt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6707 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >On the topic of VST, has anyone here yet tried out Cycling 74's "Pluggo"? >Sounds too good to be true, 74 extreme VST plugins for $74. Let's see some >comment! > >http://www.cycling74 I've had it for a few weeks now, and I've been too busy to give more than a cursory look at the plugs, but there is some very interesting stuff there! Def. worth the $74 if you have a VST capable app, esp considering that David Z is planning on posting new plug-ins monthly. Also it's pretty inspiring to me to see what can be done with MAX/MSP, which I am in the process of learning when I get more time. Too many tools, too little time... ________________________________________________________ Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org : www.peak.org/~improv/ "...there will come a day when you won't have to use gasoline. You'd simply take a cassette and put it in your car, let it run. You'd have to have the proper type of music. Like you take two sticks, put 'em together, make fire. You take some notes and rub 'em together - dum, dum, dum, dum - fire, cosmic fire." -Sun Ra ________________________________________________________ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jul 2 16:14:07 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA23928; Fri, 2 Jul 1999 16:14:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 16:14:07 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Future Perfect" To: Subject: RE: backing solo performances Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 16:06:43 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <19990702140814.8d737ad1.in@fhserver.freedomhouse.org> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"MqFU22.0.xU5.ClHVt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6708 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Agreed. Good arranging is where its at. There are tons of overdubs on our CD that are impossible to perform live. So my live versions are arranged quite differently. Not better or worse, just different. I like to keep live and studio playing pretty separate, and I like the challange of making a song recorded with 24 tracks stand up with just 2 people, a guitar synth, and a Plex. I also like the fact that I can change the arrangements as I am playing the song. Dave Eichenberger- guitars.loops.devices http://home1.gte.net/artmusic/dave   'Future Perfect' - art music http://home1.gte.net/artmusic/ However, that show also made a strong > case for making the most of available (live) materials, like the > solo version of "Dinosaur." > I think the real issue isn't to allow recordings or not, it's all > a matter of making effective arrangements. > > -Jon > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jul 2 17:39:43 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA32560; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 13:52:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 13:52:35 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3777B4A6.ADC33FF1@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 10:45:18 -0700 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Tom Recchion References: <016501bebfe1$0bbdfda0$1d73d6d1@micronjenni> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"LWEgD1.0.2W7.dHxTt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6595 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com jamie wrote: > Dear Loopers, his stuff is really good. Has anyone heard this album. I think > it's only for those who like warped > sounds. Peace. > > Artist: RECCHION, TOM > Title: Chaotica > Label: BIRDMAN RECORDS > Format: CD > Price: $11.00 > Catalog Number: BMR 007 > "Alumni from the legendary L.A.F.M.S. releases his first full-length, which > is a celebration of the tape loop medium. Simultaneously exotic and chaotic. > Sounds like a cross between a David Lynch soundtrack and an Esquivel album > that's been left out in the rain." Recorded during 1985-86 at Foundation > Boo, Tom utilizes pre-recorded stereo tape-loops, records, cassettes, analog > and digital effects and keyboards (no samplers) to create a mind-blowing > array of dizzying sound. Totally exceptional in every way. i remember tom recchion back in the days when he could be seen behind the counter at poo-bah records in pasadena (mid-70's old town incarnation). he's an amazing talent, as a musician and graphic designer (he designed the black velvet/dayglo collector's edition reed/cale "songs for 'drella", among many others...); this should be good! lance g. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jul 2 17:31:25 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA05834; Fri, 2 Jul 1999 17:31:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 17:31:25 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: cbm@mail.well.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 14:15:38 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Chris Muir Subject: Re: some good echoplex news Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"ELh061.0.xe.BiIVt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6710 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Opcode has really been Henry-ed, hasn't it. I really pity John Cooper, who's on his second law suit from henry. -C At 11:44 AM -0700 7/2/99, Kim Flint wrote: >Hey EDP fans- > >I got some good Echoplex DP news today. I can't tell you most of it, on >account of being sworn to secrecy :-), but suffice to say it sounds great! > >All the right executive decisions have apparently been made in Gibson land, >and production is just starting up again. They expect to have Echoplexes >available again in August. This time, they expect to have enough quantity >to more than meet demand, and get this: they plan on drastically cutting >the price! > >All the details about who will sell it, where, how, what it will be called, >what division it falls under, etc., are being kept under wraps for now. (it >won't be Opcode, for reasons that will become obvious soon enough....) >They will be letting us know all that as soon as they are ready. So stay >tuned... > >This is a great way to start off my weekend, let me tell ya! > >kim > >______________________________________________________________________ >Kim Flint | Looper's Delight >kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html >http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com _________________________________________________________ The optimist sees a glass half full... | Chris Muir The pessimist sees a glass half empty... | cbm@well.com The realist sees a glass twice as big as it needs to be. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jul 2 17:55:20 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA10281; Fri, 2 Jul 1999 17:55:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 17:55:20 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: From: David Kirkdorffer To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: EDP Buy - The Numbers so far... Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 17:34:28 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2524.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <"QNMTZ3.0.qh1.R3JVt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6711 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Based on Kim's news about the EDP due back into production in August 1999, I thought you may like to see the list of people requesting an EDP that I have collect so far. Indications are that, instead of a "group buy" as performed with Alto Music in New York a few months ago, each person who has submitted their name to me will be in a position to buy an EDP for themselves. As I have always stated, I WILL NOT be a middle man or accept any money to place an order on anyone else's behalf. My goal has been to offer Gibson a carrot (of 50+ EDP orders waiting to be fulfilled) to stimulate production on the EDP. And production seems to be assured! I have just forwarded this list to Gibson as further amunition to help get production moving. As you can see, I have not included address or telephone numbers. When I was asking for submissions, I thought I may need address info so Gibson to contact the "orderers." They aren't ready for anything like that yet. Maybe in a few weeks... Regards, David Kirkdorffer List of people who want to buy an Echoplex Digital Pro The following list is of people who want to buy an Echoplex Digital Pro. Orders have all been submitted over the internet. Their postal and internet addresses are held in confidence. FORM A. "ABSOLUTELY 100% COMMITED TO BUY AN EDP IF I CAN FIND ONE" ORDER FORM FORM B. "ONLY 99% OR LESS COMMITED" ORDER FORM Form Name Num of EDP's Requested Location A Mark Francombe Red 2 Norway A Rich Lamphear 1 MA A Kevin Brunkhorst 1 IA A Beth Cohen 1 MA A Nathan Herrera 1 CA A Sandro Scoccia 1 MA A Michael Tuminello 1 NY A Kevin Miller 1 NY A Dan Bartell 2 WA A JAN WOLFKAMP 1 Holland A Mark Sottilaro 1 NY A Martin Shellard 2 United Kingdom A Jon Southwood 1 ?? A Graham Pattison 1 United Kingdom A Allan Hoeltje 1 CA A Chip Lamason 1 VA A Jorrit Dijkstra 1 The Netherlands A Fabio Katz 1 ON A Tyondai Braxton 2 CT A Steve White 1 NY A Jordan Pease 2 CA A Trent Humphreys 3 Western Australia A Jonathan El-Bizri 1 ?? A Patty Boss 1 CA B Miko Biffle 1 CA B Lee Barnes 1 VA B Matt Peterson 1 CA B Jim Carter 1 United Kingdom B Kevin Miller 1 NY B Meredith Williams 1 NY B Kelly Reynolds 1 MN B Gary Rouzer 1 VA B Tom Ritchford 1 NY B Norman Saunders 1 MD B Matthew Pogue 1 CA B Dael 1 CA B frieder zimmermann 1 Germany From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jul 2 18:17:11 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA13679; Fri, 2 Jul 1999 18:17:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 18:17:11 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <377D373B.B685EB47@sfsu.edu> Date: Fri, 02 Jul 1999 15:03:39 -0700 From: Matt Davignon X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: possibly lame question References: <2148EC143F29D1118BE000805FC13CD0DB563C@migarexch01.maritz.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"SGlis3.0.Kv2.WUJVt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6713 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Well, they exist. I've seen them both in mail order catalogs and in bigger music stores like Guitar Center. They're certainly more convenient, but I think you can get three regular power strips for the same price so I've never bought one. By the way, what's with these fat plugs? All of my older Electro-Harmonix effects have the regular AC plugs just like anything else in my house. Now that they're being made again, they come with those annoying fat plugs. How was that necessary? Newer versions of things are supposed to be smaller and more convenient! The fact that my older pedals were built with those nice small plugs seems to prove that those fat plugs aren't really necessary! They could simply put the AC to DC adaptor right inside the pedal! It would make the pedal a little bigger, but it would be a lot nicer! Are there any electronics experts out there? (Well, I know there is.) Is that conceivable? matt "Liebig, Steuart A." wrote: > hey, > > i think that i remember people were discussing power strips that had the > outlets in sideways so that they could accomodate the dreaded wall warts. > anyone have suggetsions? > > thanks, > > stig From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jul 2 18:37:25 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA16971; Fri, 2 Jul 1999 18:37:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 18:37:25 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990702221749.24072.qmail@ww190.netaddress.usa.net> Date: 2 Jul 99 15:17:49 PDT From: Dael Franke To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: [Re: backing solo performances] X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer () Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by rosy.yourwebhost.com id SAA13818 Resent-Message-ID: <"-HD6Z2.0.HO3.WgJVt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6714 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Legion wrote: the Orb make no bones about the fact that they have a ton of multitracks onstage for all the parts and "simply" mix and process the tracks "Live". In both cases I've heard interesting and varied shows which went beyond kareoke type sets. Again a few years ago I would have been disturbed but if done right I see the benefit. I have to agree with you here. I've seen Dr. Paterson Orbing live at the fifth annual Gathering. He moves like a poem behind the platters. His team were pulling vinyl and slapping it to him like clockwork. It was a joy to watch, and a double extra joy to hear and dance to. One piece started with an eccentric loop of a busy signal, and slowly built into a sit-com about God inside a teakettle inventing religion, and then scrapping that idea for something even more absurd. The Orb albums can be tedious, but the live show is amazing. It's time for the definition of "musician" to expand. P.S. I was NOT on drugs. Dael T. Franke ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jul 2 18:10:57 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA12721; Fri, 2 Jul 1999 18:10:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 18:10:57 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <377D3364.5782A44C@sfsu.edu> Date: Fri, 02 Jul 1999 14:47:16 -0700 From: Matt Davignon X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: backing solo performances References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"LetAz1.0.XG2.qFJVt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6712 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I have to agree with Mike. I saw an experimental show a few months ago. One of the musicians had all sorts of neat stuff in front of him to play. When he got around to doing his set, he played a minidisc recording of himself and played his stuff to the already generated musical background. He reminded me of Janet Jackson concerts where they play a CD of the music and just dance in front of it. On the other hand, I really enjoy musicians who create the backing loops as they play, then switch instruments and play or loop the other parts "live". I always thought that was really cool. matt Michael Tuminello wrote: > Hi - > > my original plan was to do something similar (probably midi synth + drum backing only), until I saw a guy @ Sidewalk cafe in NY do this. He seemed like an accomplished musician - he had arranged string tracks and all kinds of crazy backing for his stuff. > > However, the end result for me was that I felt like he was playing karaoke. I had the feeling that he wasn't even singing or playing guitar anymore, and that it was all recorded. (Not true, but that's what it felt like to me.) At that point I decided that a full band was the way to go. > > Other people may have differing opnions (I'm sure they will), but you should try to check out someone who performs like this before you totally commit to doing it yourself, in my opinion. I went from no doubt that it would work to completely discarding the idea. > > MT > > Greetings: > In the most recent issue of Guitar Player magazine, there is an article on the use of MiniDisc backing tracks for live performances by solo artists. This article is timely for me because I'm currently developing a repertoire of recorded rhythmic and ambient accompaniment to supplement my guitar looping for solo live performances. My desire is to maintain an improvisational element in my performance but also to give the gig some structure with the accompaniment, which I'm committing to CD via my new HP CD recorder. I would like to hear from other members of this list who are doing similar things. I'd be interested in hearing how others use accompaniment (what kind of medium, what desired effects are being achieved, etc..). > e but > e but From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jul 2 19:09:58 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA22212; Fri, 2 Jul 1999 19:09:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 19:09:58 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199907022250.SAA00063@smtp1.mindspring.com> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Fri, 02 Jul 1999 18:56:48 -0400 Subject: Re: backing solo performances From: "Christopher White" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"ELST_.0.cl4.f8KVt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6715 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com well i believe it can both ways we all nedd balance baby BALANCE...loop and distort the fuckin' mindisks do vocals use toys destroy the source of the sound.... ---------- >From: Matt Davignon >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Subject: Re: backing solo performances >Date: Fri, Jul 2, 1999, 5:47 PM > >I have to agree with Mike. I saw an experimental show a few months ago. One >of the musicians had all sorts of neat stuff in front of him to play. When >he got around to doing his set, he played a minidisc recording of himself >and played his stuff to the already generated musical background. He >reminded me of Janet Jackson concerts where they play a CD of the music and >just dance in front of it. > >On the other hand, I really enjoy musicians who create the backing loops as >they play, then switch instruments and play or loop the other parts "live". >I always thought that was really cool. > >matt > >Michael Tuminello wrote: > >> Hi - >> >> my original plan was to do something similar (probably midi synth + drum >backing only), until I saw a guy @ Sidewalk cafe in NY do this. He seemed >like an accomplished musician - he had arranged string tracks and all kinds >of crazy backing for his stuff. >> >> However, the end result for me was that I felt like he was playing >karaoke. I had the feeling that he wasn't even singing or playing guitar >anymore, and that it was all recorded. (Not true, but that's what it felt >like to me.) At that point I decided that a full band was the way to go. >> >> Other people may have differing opnions (I'm sure they will), but you >should try to check out someone who performs like this before you totally >commit to doing it yourself, in my opinion. I went from no doubt that it >would work to completely discarding the idea. >> >> MT >> >> Greetings: >> In the most recent issue of Guitar Player magazine, there is an >article on the use of MiniDisc backing tracks for live performances by solo >artists. This article is timely for me because I'm currently developing a >repertoire of recorded rhythmic and ambient accompaniment to supplement my >guitar looping for solo live performances. My desire is to maintain an >improvisational element in my performance but also to give the gig some >structure with the accompaniment, which I'm committing to CD via my new HP >CD recorder. I would like to hear from other members of this list who are >doing similar things. I'd be interested in hearing how others use >accompaniment (what kind of medium, what desired effects are being >achieved, etc..). >> > > e but >> > > e but > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jul 2 19:13:27 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA22953; Fri, 2 Jul 1999 19:13:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 19:13:27 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <377D2629.7073FCB3@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 02 Jul 1999 13:50:52 -0700 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: possibly lame question References: <2148EC143F29D1118BE000805FC13CD0DB563C@migarexch01.maritz.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"0Gcyh2.0.4u4.lCKVt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6716 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com stuart wrote: > hey, > > i think that i remember people were discussing power strips that had the > outlets in sideways so that they could accomodate the dreaded wall warts. > anyone have suggetsions? i use furman 'pluglocks'. accept 5 wall warts in "sideways" orientation plus individual locking brackets which makes for a semi-permanent installation (for screwing to inside of rack cases, etc.). they're the best-made power strips i've come across, very heavy-duty. retail for around $50 US. check in full compass catalog... lance g. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jul 2 21:21:45 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA10153; Fri, 2 Jul 1999 21:21:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 21:21:45 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990702211126.007ad780@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 02 Jul 1999 21:11:26 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: backing solo performances In-Reply-To: <377D3364.5782A44C@sfsu.edu> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"A1hcT.0.Ks1.x5MVt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6717 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com While I've often used pre-recorded sound effects to accompany improvised pieces, I used to have a very poor opinion of the use of any sort of pre-recorded MUSIC in live performance. However, technology has gradually re-shaped my view and I've found a way to use pre-recorded material without feeling as if I'm cheating... Most of my keyboards are old analog beasts with no presets (an SH-101, a Juno-6, a Halifax organ, etc.) and many of my other instruments are not suitable for use in venues with any significant level of background noise (shakuhachi, native American flute, etc.) or are delicate and/or present tuning problems (hurdy-gurdy) that makes toting them along to gigs unpractical. Plus, I'd have to schlepp all that stuff, and set up/tear down REALLY quickly, everyones' least favourite part of playing out. However, they still make some enjoyable and useful sounds that I'd like to draw upon live. I find that sampling has made the line a great deal finer between what I would consider a "pre-recorded performance" and what could pass as a "patch". I've also seen some DJ's in the past few years whose musicianship was so impressive that I was forced to re-evaluate my prejudices regarding my personal definition of "instrumentalist". Here too, I confess to a certain amount of snobbery; I still don't feel comfortable sampling from other people's music, but have reconciled myself to feeling okay about sampling my own playing, using instruments that for the reasons listed above I'm not likely to bring to a gig. That's why my rack includes a MiniDisc deck. To me, the biggest difference between coming off as "karaoke" and actually playing live lies in the nature of what's been recorded and in how it's presented, on how much live manipulation is required on the part of the performer (and how noticible it will be if you bobble it!). Long melodic passages, complicated solos, tightly timed backing vocals - this sort of thing strikes me as "canned", although I realize there are many performers whose shows are greatly enhanced by this approach. On the other hand, short pre-recorded loops of riffs, textures, found sounds, sequencer ostinatos - stuff that wouldn't sustain a performance by itself without real-time tweaking - can be PLAYED in real time with a mixer and looping devices, and combined with input from instruments (the ubiquitous guitar and bass) better suited to plugging in and playing. I can drop a didgeridoo drone from a disc into a delay, hit "HOLD", and use the resulting loop as a pad which keeps going while I change discs or play an instrument on top of it, and I'm not bothered by the fact that the actual four-second didge loop was pre-recorded in my basement. It's not like I'm pressing "play" and heading over to the bar for a cold one while my "performance" comes out of the speakers; there's still a great deal of real-time control required. Of course, it's impossible to play anything the same way twice using this approach, but that's what makes it fun. Tim >Michael Tuminello wrote: > >> Hi - >> >> my original plan was to do something similar (probably midi synth + drum backing only), until I saw a guy @ Sidewalk cafe in NY do this. He seemed like an accomplished musician - he had arranged string tracks and all kinds of crazy backing for his stuff. >> >> However, the end result for me was that I felt like he was playing karaoke. I had the feeling that he wasn't even singing or playing guitar anymore, and that it was all recorded. (Not true, but that's what it felt like to me.) At that point I decided that a full band was the way to go. >> >> Other people may have differing opnions (I'm sure they will), but you should try to check out someone who performs like this before you totally commit to doing it yourself, in my opinion. I went from no doubt that it would work to completely discarding the idea. >> >> MT >> >> Greetings: >> In the most recent issue of Guitar Player magazine, there is an article on the use of MiniDisc backing tracks for live performances by solo artists. This article is timely for me because I'm currently developing a repertoire of recorded rhythmic and ambient accompaniment to supplement my guitar looping for solo live performances. My desire is to maintain an improvisational element in my performance but also to give the gig some structure with the accompaniment, which I'm committing to CD via my new HP CD recorder. I would like to hear from other members of this list who are doing similar things. I'd be interested in hearing how others use accompaniment (what kind of medium, what desired effects are being achieved, etc..). >> e but >> e but > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jul 2 21:27:45 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA11303; Fri, 2 Jul 1999 21:27:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 21:27:45 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <005101bec4f0$95c71540$101bbfa8@default> Reply-To: "Collins" From: "Collins" To: Subject: news on the homefront Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 21:08:37 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"Tg5Bp2.0.E42.zBMVt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6718 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Greetings all, I would just like to let some of you know that i have deleted my account with geocities and no longer have a website for you to visit. At least not yet. I decided that I did not want to let them be able to steal my music and anything else that was on the site and use it to help them, and I would get nothing in return. I urge all else who are on Geocities to leave them immediately.Get out while your music is still your own. Sincerely, Jeffrey Collins My previous website: http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Stadium/1429/STRANGETONES.html From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jul 2 21:32:18 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA12173; Fri, 2 Jul 1999 21:32:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 21:32:18 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990702212208.007a47d0@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 02 Jul 1999 21:22:08 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: possibly lame question Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"Rx2Ww3.0.jE2.wFMVt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6719 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com You can also get "Wall Wart Removers" (the trade name of the product made by "Dr Ferd") or (gasp!) borrow their idea and make 'em yourself. They're basically short extension cords that you plug the transformer into that terminate in a normal-sized plug which can go into your normal-sized power strip. Tim > >At 01:50 PM 7/2/99 -0700, you wrote: >> >> >>stuart wrote: >> >>> hey, >>> >>> i think that i remember people were discussing power strips that had the >>> outlets in sideways so that they could accomodate the dreaded wall warts. >>> anyone have suggetsions? > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jul 2 22:06:42 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA16924; Fri, 2 Jul 1999 22:06:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 22:06:42 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <377D749B.69196E23@tstar.net> Date: Fri, 02 Jul 1999 21:26:46 -0500 From: Matthew Turner Reply-To: gturner@tstar.net Organization: Item Recordings X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: backing solo performances References: <3.0.5.32.19990702211126.007ad780@pop.ici.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"0g8B5.0.ch3.unMVt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6721 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com My philosophy on this sort of thing is the more traditional the backing the more artificial it seems in a live setting. You generally feel cheated if you hear a piano and don't see a piano, but if the backing track is more abstract in nature it seems to come off better. I witnessed a very effective show by Stars Of The Lid recently where they were mixing pre-recorded drones from their records off of samplers and dats while playing over it and it didn't suffer in the slightest. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jul 2 21:57:02 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA15607; Fri, 2 Jul 1999 21:57:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 21:57:02 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990703014017.57748.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [171.212.73.182] From: Devious D_MasterMixer To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Unsubscribe Date: Fri, 02 Jul 1999 18:40:16 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"iw6F51.0.0I3.leMVt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6720 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >From: Kim Flint >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Subject: some good echoplex news >Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 11:44:21 -0700 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jul 02 12:04:56 1999 >Received: from [209.239.39.1] by hotmail.com (1.5) with SMTP id >MHotMailB946585501C5D82197DCD1EF270111DF0; Fri Jul 02 12:04:56 1999 >Received: (from kflint@localhost)by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id >PAA11806;Fri, 2 Jul 1999 15:05:06 -0400 >Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 15:05:06 -0400 >X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to >Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f >Message-Id: >Resent-Message-ID: <"RR4Fq2.0.Ux1.XXGVt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> >Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6706 >X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Precedence: list >Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > >Hey EDP fans- > >I got some good Echoplex DP news today. I can't tell you most of it, on >account of being sworn to secrecy :-), but suffice to say it sounds great! > >All the right executive decisions have apparently been made in Gibson land, >and production is just starting up again. They expect to have Echoplexes >available again in August. This time, they expect to have enough quantity >to more than meet demand, and get this: they plan on drastically cutting >the price! > >All the details about who will sell it, where, how, what it will be called, >what division it falls under, etc., are being kept under wraps for now. (it >won't be Opcode, for reasons that will become obvious soon enough....) >They will be letting us know all that as soon as they are ready. So stay >tuned... > >This is a great way to start off my weekend, let me tell ya! > >kim > >______________________________________________________________________ >Kim Flint | Looper's Delight >kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html >http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > > _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Jul 3 01:45:16 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA17323; Sat, 3 Jul 1999 01:45:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Jul 1999 01:45:16 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <4179a3c1.24aef804@aol.com> Date: Sat, 3 Jul 1999 01:22:12 EDT Subject: Re: VST? To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 Resent-Message-ID: <"o3pNK3.0.mQ3.5vPVt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6722 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 7/2/99 6:27:03 PM Mid-Atlantic Daylight Time, improv@peak.org writes: << Too many tools, too little time... >> aint that almost the truth...........michael From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Jul 3 01:56:52 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA19218; Sat, 3 Jul 1999 01:56:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Jul 1999 01:56:52 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 3 Jul 1999 01:30:50 EDT Subject: Re: backing solo performances To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 Resent-Message-ID: <"DRIgz2.0.mj3.61QVt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6723 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 7/2/99 10:09:56 PM Mid-Atlantic Daylight Time, magicicada@mindspring.com writes: << well i believe it can both ways we all nedd balance baby BALANCE...loop and distort the fuckin' mindisks do vocals use toys destroy the source of the sound.... - >> im with ya!.................michael From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Jul 3 02:34:16 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA27077; Sat, 3 Jul 1999 02:34:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Jul 1999 02:34:16 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Sat, 3 Jul 1999 01:10:13 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199907030710.BAA16930@servidor.unam.mx> X-Sender: smaug@servidor.unam.mx (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Andy Soto Subject: boomerang problem Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by rosy.yourwebhost.com id CAA22998 Resent-Message-ID: <"lkeqW3.0.cd5.BfQVt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6724 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com sometimes the loops I make with the īrang seem to lose gain or to kind of dissappear if I play over them,I use a guitar to loop,is this normal? smaug. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Jul 3 02:38:38 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA28139; Sat, 3 Jul 1999 02:38:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Jul 1999 02:38:38 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990703062154.11670.rocketmail@web124.yahoomail.com> Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 23:21:54 -0700 (PDT) From: John Tidwell Subject: Re: WTB: Digitech PMC10 MIDI Foot Controller To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"8PjX11.0.Zt5.PlQVt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6725 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com You didn't say what your application would be, but I use a Roland PK-5 pedal board to control my EDP. It is excellent for midi note on/off, but weak on midi cc. John --- "Don \"Mango\" Pancoe" wrote: > > Subject line pretty much says it all. If none of > these are available, does > anyone know of other MIDI foot controllers that can > send both note ON and > note OFF messages? I've looked at the MIDI Solutions > MIDI Mapper, but that > can only map to note ON messages. > > Appreciate your help, > -- Mango -- > > > > === John Tidwell _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Jul 3 09:38:53 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA10711; Sat, 3 Jul 1999 09:38:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Jul 1999 09:38:53 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990703132208.13495.rocketmail@web123.yahoomail.com> Date: Sat, 3 Jul 1999 06:22:08 -0700 (PDT) From: dan sumner Subject: Re: sp202/boomerang answer To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"BFQm7.0.AA2.HwWVt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6726 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I need to get a Smart Media card for my Dr. Sample. Does anyone know which brand is best for the application? Also, does the Dr. Sample accept cards larger than 4 meg? Per the boomerand question, it is my understanding that the Rang fades out old loops as you enter new ones. As far as I know this feature is not adjustable. _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Jul 3 09:46:22 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA11925; Sat, 3 Jul 1999 09:46:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Jul 1999 09:46:22 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <377E1173.55AE@prodigy.net> Date: Sat, 03 Jul 1999 08:34:43 -0500 From: Steve Dee Reply-To: stevedee@prodigy.net Organization: Prodigy Internet X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers Digest Subject: EDP Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"mypSU2.0.KN2.z1XVt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6727 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Arrgh!! I wanted an EDP for live playing, but I thought it was safe to assume the EDP would be unavailable for a long time, so I ordered a Boomerang - picking it up today at noon no less. Then I read the EDP is back. Then I read the list of wannabe EDP buyers, and my name somehow didn't make it on the list. Somebody shoot me! :-) Isn't self pity ugly? -- Steve http://pages.prodigy.net/stevedee From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Jul 3 12:11:09 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA00724; Sat, 3 Jul 1999 12:11:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Jul 1999 12:11:09 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 3 Jul 1999 08:58:53 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel) Subject: Re: sp202/boomerang answer Resent-Message-ID: <"sDEA42.0.jT7.79ZVt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6729 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >I need to get a Smart Media card for my Dr. Sample. >Does anyone know which brand is best for the >application? Also, does the Dr. Sample accept cards >larger than 4 meg? > AFAIK, you need the specific Roland cards for the SP-202. I bought a Smart Media card from a camera shop whenI first got my SP, and it wouldn't fit, the SP requires a card with the left corner clipped (looking at the side with the contacts), and all the generic cards I could find had the right corner clipped. Had to special order the Roland brand card, and it took a couple of weeks, but the cost was actually a bit less than the generic cards. ________________________________________________________ Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org : www.peak.org/~improv/ "...there will come a day when you won't have to use gasoline. You'd simply take a cassette and put it in your car, let it run. You'd have to have the proper type of music. Like you take two sticks, put 'em together, make fire. You take some notes and rub 'em together - dum, dum, dum, dum - fire, cosmic fire." -Sun Ra ________________________________________________________ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Jul 3 12:12:49 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA01045; Sat, 3 Jul 1999 12:12:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Jul 1999 12:12:49 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <001801bec56c$a8854a40$a67a070c@cyberdyne.com> From: "Marc Roche" To: References: <199907030710.BAA16930@servidor.unam.mx> Subject: appending bridge Date: Sat, 3 Jul 1999 08:56:46 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Resent-Message-ID: <"Ydsz32.0.zO7.x6ZVt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6728 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi all, I'm using the EDP for looping---I'm sure there must be a way to do this I would like to know how to append a bridge (additional loop of indeterminate length) on to a multiplied loop I've created. I'm having trouble using the manual to figure this out. I want to 1. create short loop 2. multiply it 3. add and additional loop with new material to the multiplied loop. Any help with this would be greatly appreciated. Thanks From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Jul 3 13:01:50 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA07771; Sat, 3 Jul 1999 13:01:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Jul 1999 13:01:50 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: dmgraph@mail.earthlink.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <377CF578.58B5@voicenet.com> References: <015001bec49c$befbfc40$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 3 Jul 1999 12:48:37 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: David Myers Subject: Re: backing solo performances Resent-Message-ID: <"Aru2e1.0.RL1.QuZVt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6730 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Once I used a small looping/soundmaking device I called "the shoebox" due to its size and shape. I was accustomed to working with my more eleborate machines and maybe was nervous that what was a pretty big gig for me (the Kitchen here in NYC) might come off as too sonically limited, so I fed a tape of prepared sounds into the box for "transformations" along with the realtime stuff. Now this was very experimental/noise/soundscape material--not the obvious instrumentalist with invisible band thing--and the audience didn't really have a clue. People raved about the performance, and I even got asked for my autograph (unheard of in this sort of music!), but I felt crummy about it. I did this twice but would not do it again. I think that in purely electronic music, it is enough to ask that an audience find enjoyment in watching someone produce sounds largely disconnected from physical gestures; for pre-existing sounds to play a large part in the performance seems like cheating. Oddly perhaps, my audience did not feel that way--but I did feel as though I cheated; something was spoiled for me. In this situation, the audience should get something special; I feel I should be able to say "no one will hear these sounds in this shape ever again". But I suppose that applies only to my sort of "abstract electronics"? David Myers From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Jul 3 13:18:29 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA10123; Sat, 3 Jul 1999 13:18:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Jul 1999 13:18:29 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 3 Jul 1999 13:03:01 EDT Subject: Re: boomerang problem To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by rosy.yourwebhost.com id NAA08143 Resent-Message-ID: <"Jnit-2.0.Y_1.w9aVt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6733 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 7/3/99 5:34:08 AM Mid-Atlantic Daylight Time, smaug@servidor.unam.mx writes: << sometimes the loops I make with the īrang seem to lose gain or to kind of dissappear if I play over them,I use a guitar to loop,is this normal? smaug. >> if you think of this attenuation as a tool rather than a shortcoming it then becomes a valuable asset......2 ideas: make the first loop a bit "hotter" ie louder, it seems to last longer and secondly, use the stack button selectively, dont keep it depressed all the time.............for shorter loops this attenuation can create a very evolving type sound, the more you add the more the loop changes and if something "goes away" just punch it in again.......hope this helps........michael From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Jul 3 13:05:00 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA08272; Sat, 3 Jul 1999 13:05:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Jul 1999 13:05:00 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: dmgraph@mail.earthlink.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <2148EC143F29D1118BE000805FC13CD0DB563C@migarexch01.maritz.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 3 Jul 1999 12:49:10 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: David Myers Subject: Re: possibly lame question Resent-Message-ID: <"y-HHE1.0.wL1.suZVt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6731 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Get a length of AC cord and some snap-in inline female sockets--hardware store stuff. I've done this for years. Of course it makes for an ungainly lump of warts laying there, and the cord has to be lamp-gauge so you'd better not try getting six amps through it or anything, but pay Furman fifty bucks for a "special" power strip?! Just make sure your cord isn't getting warm; if so, make up more than one. Course I've never used power monsters like big amps or really large synths, samplers, etc.... David Myers >hey, > >i think that i remember people were discussing power strips that had the >outlets in sideways so that they could accomodate the dreaded wall warts. >anyone have suggetsions? > >thanks, > >stig From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Jul 3 13:27:38 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA11652; Sat, 3 Jul 1999 13:27:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Jul 1999 13:27:38 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <377E4FA0.30EA7356@mailbox.syr.edu> Date: Sat, 03 Jul 1999 13:00:03 -0500 From: Mark Sottilaro Reply-To: msottila@mailbox.syr.edu X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: [Re: backing solo performances]Walking away References: <19990702221749.24072.qmail@ww190.netaddress.usa.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Q91E31.0.-l1.04aVt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6732 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com While I never use prerecorded music or loops when I play live (only the drum/sample tracks are previously sequenced), here's a fun trick that the audience always seems to love: Get a nice dense loop going. Long and complex works better. Then, leave the stage and go the the bathroom (make sure someone is watching your gear.) Watch the uninformed feel "cheated" Fun! One thing I've noticed is that, these days, few people seem to have a problem with prerecorded/ electronic drums/ rhythm tracks. Yet, when I use a midi track to control video, via a program called Xpose, I got a lot of people complaining that they wanted me to be obviously controlling the image. It was OK that I, or anyone else, wasn't playing the drums, but not for the visuals. Weird. P.S. I was not on drugs. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Jul 3 13:41:58 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA13989; Sat, 3 Jul 1999 13:41:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Jul 1999 13:41:58 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199907031725.NAA24678@smtp0.mindspring.com> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Sat, 03 Jul 1999 13:31:48 -0400 Subject: Re: backing solo performances From: "Christopher White" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"dXVCa2.0.bo2.eUaVt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6734 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com hmm..it is different for all of us david..it is possible to use these prerecorded sounds in such a way as to manipulate and capture and destroy them to quite an effective and off the cuff end...in a keyboard you are using a preset sine wave that is mallable and changeable by you the player. The same thing applies to pre-recorded tape you can gab that sound source and loop it, change... annihilate till your heart is content and that is improv. I find if i want to bring sounds of the outside world to a live gig it is nice to have minidisk or a sampler to present them. I cannot make the sound of a mike in a 30 foot hole in a live space unless i happen to be playing in that hole. the sound of crowds and tanks being rubbed in an outside enviroment with all the ambience is not possible to recreate on a live stage without the use of field recordings.it may be different for me as all i do is concentrate on making and manipulating recordings from the field.In the end it does not matter it is all an ends to a means and if your audience enjoyed and most of all you enjoyed it than it does not matter. backing tapes can be the sine waves in your keyboard grab the knobs patch the holes and twist. ---------- >From: David Myers >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Subject: Re: backing solo performances >Date: Sat, Jul 3, 1999, 1:48 PM > >Once I used a small looping/soundmaking device I called "the shoebox" due >to its size and shape. I was accustomed to working with my more eleborate >machines and maybe was nervous that what was a pretty big gig for me (the >Kitchen here in NYC) might come off as too sonically limited, so I fed a >tape of prepared sounds into the box for "transformations" along with the >realtime stuff. Now this was very experimental/noise/soundscape >material--not the obvious instrumentalist with invisible band thing--and >the audience didn't really have a clue. People raved about the >performance, and I even got asked for my autograph (unheard of in this sort >of music!), but I felt crummy about it. I did this twice but would not do >it again. > >I think that in purely electronic music, it is enough to ask that an >audience find enjoyment in watching someone produce sounds largely >disconnected from physical gestures; for pre-existing sounds to play a >large part in the performance seems like cheating. Oddly perhaps, my >audience did not feel that way--but I did feel as though I cheated; >something was spoiled for me. In this situation, the audience should get >something special; I feel I should be able to say "no one will hear these >sounds in this shape ever again". But I suppose that applies only to my >sort of "abstract electronics"? > >David Myers > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Jul 3 14:15:28 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA18972; Sat, 3 Jul 1999 14:15:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Jul 1999 14:15:28 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <377E4EB3.2858B003@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 03 Jul 1999 10:56:03 -0700 From: Clifford Novey X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: appending bridge References: <199907030710.BAA16930@servidor.unam.mx> <001801bec56c$a8854a40$a67a070c@cyberdyne.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"b9tdQ2.0.My3.HwaVt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6735 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Have you tried the Insert function? The manual should be able to help as well- Cliff Marc Roche wrote: > Hi all, > > I'm using the EDP for looping---I'm sure there must be a way to do this > I would like to know how to append a bridge (additional loop of > indeterminate length) on to a multiplied loop I've created. > I'm having trouble using the manual to figure this out. I want to > 1. create short loop > 2. multiply it > 3. add and additional loop with new material to the multiplied loop. > > Any help with this would be greatly appreciated. > > Thanks From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Jul 3 14:58:18 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA24754; Sat, 3 Jul 1999 14:58:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Jul 1999 14:58:18 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Crossedout@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 3 Jul 1999 14:27:50 EDT Subject: Re: possibly lame question To: baumhaus@earthlink.net, Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 Resent-Message-ID: <"9hbG-.0.805.iPbVt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6736 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 7/2/99 6:13:25 PM Central Daylight Time, baumhaus@earthlink.net writes: << hey, > > i think that i remember people were discussing power strips that had the > outlets in sideways so that they could accomodate the dreaded wall warts. > anyone have suggetsions? >> Another good idea - check your local surplus store - I have a bunch of little six-inch, three prong extension cords. What the hell is the point of a six inch extension cord? Well, that's why they're in a surplus store, but they are great for getting six wall-warts to share a six-input power strip. Good luck. - Bill Crossedout@aol.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Jul 3 15:13:38 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA26868; Sat, 3 Jul 1999 15:13:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Jul 1999 15:13:38 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <001401bec586$6f76d1a0$02585858@timspc> From: "american qabalah" To: References: Subject: Re: boomerang problem Date: Sat, 3 Jul 1999 14:01:18 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: <"fO3sU.0.t46.PsbVt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6737 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com You can also turn up the volume of the loop being played back. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, July 03, 1999 12:03 PM Subject: Re: boomerang problem > In a message dated 7/3/99 5:34:08 AM Mid-Atlantic Daylight Time, > smaug@servidor.unam.mx writes: > > << > sometimes the loops I make with the īrang seem to lose gain or to kind > of dissappear if I play over them,I use a guitar to loop,is this normal? > > smaug. > >> > > if you think of this attenuation as a tool rather than a shortcoming it then > becomes a valuable asset......2 ideas: make the first loop a bit "hotter" ie > louder, it seems to last longer and secondly, use the stack button > selectively, dont keep it depressed all the time.............for shorter > loops this attenuation can create a very evolving type sound, the more you > add the more the loop changes and if something "goes away" just punch it in > again.......hope this helps........michael > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Jul 3 15:19:43 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA27760; Sat, 3 Jul 1999 15:19:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Jul 1999 15:19:43 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: klaw@pop.iglou.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Sat, 03 Jul 1999 15:06:01 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Keenan Lawler Subject: Re: backing solo performances In-Reply-To: References: <377CF578.58B5@voicenet.com> <015001bec49c$befbfc40$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: Resent-Message-ID: <"3zx0-2.0.yb6.65cVt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6738 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Speaking for myself-ive phased out prerecorded backing tracks while using a sequencer/sampler instead ive used the processes of each modifier(effect-sampler) on a set of already"predetermined " sounds as a backing or the irregularities of my instrument becoming the actual macro sound picture -- this has far more elements of surprise/interaction than queing up a sequence and hitting play -or simply hooking a dat or cd into a mixer & pushing play I gravitate towards those people who use sampling -looping as a extension of a physical gesture ----a vital piece of the live experience puzzle it becomes the process whereby sound or music is made in realtime this just feels honest---but everything is valid -like it or not Karaoke is an authentic performing art -im sure some wannabe singers use this as a means of really expressing themselves -to push their own set of self imposed boundaries -the same way a guitarist solos against a complex midi sequence in a cofee shop somewhere in yr town if its all predetermined then there really is no difference to me. I need to be challenged & surprised when seeing a performance - the shows i did recently with David First are a perfect example -he used a cd player as a way of presenting a complex series of drones -pitch relationships along with a midi guitar controller& kurzweill in his piece -yet it was impossible to tell what was going on behind the scene s without having some prior knowledge the result was astonishing a balance between improvisation/process -the space was undulating & spiralling time was frozen or became meaningless -yet several people felt letdown after hearing of his use of the sounds on the disc--- would it have seemed more authentic if he had a mac right there running csound /max ? absurd Im particulary fond of artists who make use of the room or enviroment as an improvisational element in their performance i would much rather prefer seeing this sort of risk taking which in my mind is at the core of improvisation & live peformance its an interesting grey area weve entered in the last few years -the boundaries between live& recorded music are so blurred there are no rules -there have never been rules --only mind sets we choose to belong to.. K >Once I used a small looping/soundmaking device I called "the shoebox" due >to its size and shape. I was accustomed to working with my more eleborate >machines and maybe was nervous that what was a pretty big gig for me (the >Kitchen here in NYC) might come off as too sonically limited, so I fed a >tape of prepared sounds into the box for "transformations" along with the >realtime stuff. Now this was very experimental/noise/soundscape >material--not the obvious instrumentalist with invisible band thing--and >the audience didn't really have a clue. People raved about the >performance, and I even got asked for my autograph (unheard of in this sort >of music!), but I felt crummy about it. I did this twice but would not do >it again. > >I think that in purely electronic music, it is enough to ask that an >audience find enjoyment in watching someone produce sounds largely >disconnected from physical gestures; for pre-existing sounds to play a >large part in the performance seems like cheating. Oddly perhaps, my >audience did not feel that way--but I did feel as though I cheated; >something was spoiled for me. In this situation, the audience should get >something special; I feel I should be able to say "no one will hear these >sounds in this shape ever again". But I suppose that applies only to my >sort of "abstract electronics"? > >David Myers > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Jul 3 19:11:56 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA24490; Sat, 3 Jul 1999 19:11:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Jul 1999 19:11:56 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199907032255.SAA06338@popcorn.netaxs.com> From: "Don \"Mango\" Pancoe" To: Subject: Re: WTB: Digitech PMC10 MIDI Foot Controller Date: Sat, 3 Jul 1999 18:54:19 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"_paS-2.0.8W5.fJfVt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6739 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >You didn't say what your application would be, but I >use a Roland PK-5 pedal board to control my EDP. It is >excellent for midi note on/off, but weak on midi cc. I presently use an ART X-15 to send program changes and cc's to the preamp and fx in my bass rig. I wanted to work in a Roland JS-30 sampler I have sitting around (eventually moving up to an EDP when they become available and I have the extra cash lying around.) The NOTE ON messages by themselves would be OK for one-shot samples, but if I want the sample to loop for a while and then stop, I would need a NOTE OFF eventually. To answer your question more directly, I need both good cc and note on/off capability. Thanks to all for your help, on and off list. -- Mango -- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Jul 3 19:37:03 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA27756; Sat, 3 Jul 1999 19:37:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Jul 1999 19:37:03 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <003601bec5aa$22911c00$c564aec7@default> From: "Alan Imberg" To: References: <377CF578.58B5@voicenet.com><015001bec49c$befbfc40$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> Subject: Re: backing solo performances Date: Sat, 3 Jul 1999 16:16:47 -0700 Organization: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Resent-Message-ID: <"l8msQ3.0.pH6.YgfVt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6740 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com It pleases me to be able to throw out a topic to the members of this list and get such varying opinions and experiences. I've gained much food for thought as I continue to shape the way I present my music in a live situation. LD truely rules. This discussion has jogged my memory of a recent experience I had as a spectator to someone else's performance. I recently saw the Ambient Brunch Tour in San Francisco. It was a thoroughly enjoyable and inspiring show (By the way, I highly recommend the new Banco De Gaia CD). I arrived at the show early and got a table seat in front of the stage. Pre-recorded music by the various performers was playing through the PA while visual images flashed on screens behind the stage. About a 1/2 hour later, two gentlemen who I thought were roadies started milling around the stage. The pre-recorded music, which was, at this point, a subtly rythmic ambient piece, was still playing through the PA. The two guys talked amongst themselves, plugged in various equipment, lit incense, and looked very unassuming. Much of the crowd seemed oblivious to what was happening onstage. Then the two "roadies" sat down behind some keyboards and sequencers and starting playing along with the pre-recorded music. It was only when the music began to morph into something else that I realized that the two guys were Dogon, the 1st act of the night. At first, I thought this was a very anti-climatic way to start the show but after reflection, I came to feel that Dogon's entry was rather appropriate for the evening. It was quite clear that they were performing live. Yet, they had the sonic capability to take the pre-recorded music, which I must assume was theres, and use that as a launching pad for their sonic presentation. The emphasis of the entire evening was on the music with augmentation by visual graphics. The physical presence of the artist was not presented as the point of emphasis for the night, which I thought was rather cool. It was a live experience but the personalities on stage was almost incidental. There was something ego-less that I liked very much. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Jul 3 21:48:48 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA13286; Sat, 3 Jul 1999 21:48:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Jul 1999 21:48:48 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1281066796==_ma============" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Date: Sat, 3 Jul 1999 21:34:58 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Patrick Smith Subject: Re: sp202/boomerang answer Resent-Message-ID: <"_XQx03.0.0o2.WghVt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6741 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com --============_-1281066796==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >>I need to get a Smart Media card for my Dr. Sample. >>Does anyone know which brand is best for the >>application? Also, does the Dr. Sample accept cards >>larger than 4 meg? >> >AFAIK, you need the specific Roland cards for the SP-202. I bought a Smart >Media card from a camera shop whenI first got my SP, and it wouldn't fit, >the SP requires a card with the left corner clipped (looking at the side >with the contacts), and all the generic cards I could find had the right >corner clipped. Had to special order the Roland brand card, and it took a >couple of weeks, but the cost was actually a bit less than the generic >cards. I also went to a camara shop to no avail. Luckily I had the manual for the SP 202 with me and noticed the corner cut issue. However I did find the appopriate 4MB Smart Media Card at a CompUSA. It is made by Toshiba TC5832DC. I picked this up about a year ago, but I recall it being around $30 less than the Roland Card. Fingerpaint's New Release: IN THE LOOP ... an intelligent, stimulating mixture of mimimaist spacebeats and obscure samples layered upon a hypnotic illbient backdrop. DIGITAL ARTIFACT # 12 http://www.fingerpaint.net --============_-1281066796==_ma============ Content-Type: text/enriched; charset="us-ascii" >>I need to get a Smart Media card for my Dr. Sample. >>Does anyone know which brand is best for the >>application? Also, does the Dr. Sample accept cards >>larger than 4 meg? >> >AFAIK, you need the specific Roland cards for the SP-202. I bought a Smart >Media card from a camera shop whenI first got my SP, and it wouldn't fit, >the SP requires a card with the left corner clipped (looking at the side >with the contacts), and all the generic cards I could find had the right >corner clipped. Had to special order the Roland brand card, and it took a >couple of weeks, but the cost was actually a bit less than the generic >cards. I also went to a camara shop to no avail. Luckily I had the manual for the SP 202 with me and noticed the corner cut issue. However I did find the appopriate 4MB Smart Media Card at a CompUSA. It is made by Toshiba TC5832DC. I picked this up about a year ago, but I recall it being around $30 less than the Roland Card. Fingerpaint's New Release: IN THE LOOP ... an intelligent, stimulating mixture of mimimaist spacebeats and obscure samples layered upon a hypnotic illbient backdrop. DIGITAL ARTIFACT # 12 http://www.fingerpaint.net --============_-1281066796==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Jul 3 21:48:59 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA13310; Sat, 3 Jul 1999 21:48:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Jul 1999 21:48:59 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <377CF578.58B5@voicenet.com> References: <015001bec49c$befbfc40$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> Date: Sat, 3 Jul 1999 21:35:33 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Patrick Smith Subject: Re: backing solo performances Resent-Message-ID: <"qC0hF3.0.Dp2.2hhVt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6742 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In FingerPaint we experimented with using backing DAT tapes in some of early performances. We would intersperse these peices with pure "live" pieces. Our hope in doing this was to insure a variety of music, not just the solid wall o sound approach. However we dd not find this very satisfying as performers. Very few people in the audiences had any idea of how we were doing what we were doing, so I don't think thet had any issues. But we dropped it. I'm not saying that we would never do it again, and we do use some samples live so... I think what is important is the final result - is it musical. Often musicians "performing" electronic music are perceived as "boring " to watch. Then close your eyes and listen. As much as anyone I love to watch musicians that are really going for it in any style of music, but if the challenge in the foot dance and knob twiddling is not for you, don't look. BTW I loved watching the ORB, even though I could see Alex loading in the tapes..the music was great..... Patrick Fingerpaint's New Release: IN THE LOOP ... an intelligent, stimulating mixture of mimimaist spacebeats and obscure samples layered upon a hypnotic illbient backdrop. DIGITAL ARTIFACT # 12 http://www.fingerpaint.net From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Jul 4 00:23:31 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA05577; Sun, 4 Jul 1999 00:23:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Jul 1999 00:23:31 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Hawkeye255@aol.com Message-ID: <1b6c5d2b.24b037b0@aol.com> Date: Sun, 4 Jul 1999 00:06:08 EDT Subject: Re: WTB: Digitech PMC10 MIDI Foot Controller To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Resent-Message-ID: <"v3PMp.0.ND.mtjVt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6744 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Got one I'm not using. Would like $100 plus shipping. Thanks, Bill "hawkeye" From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Jul 4 00:21:56 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA04989; Sun, 4 Jul 1999 00:21:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Jul 1999 00:21:56 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <001801bec56c$a8854a40$a67a070c@cyberdyne.com> References: <199907030710.BAA16930@servidor.unam.mx> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 3 Jul 1999 21:05:56 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: appending bridge Resent-Message-ID: <"x2stz2.0.S8._rjVt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6743 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 8:56 AM -0700 7/3/99, Marc Roche wrote: >Hi all, > >I'm using the EDP for looping---I'm sure there must be a way to do this >I would like to know how to append a bridge (additional loop of >indeterminate length) on to a multiplied loop I've created. >I'm having trouble using the manual to figure this out. I want to >1. create short loop >2. multiply it >3. add and additional loop with new material to the multiplied loop. > >Any help with this would be greatly appreciated. Like somebody else said, try the insert function. That should do it. Also try using multiple loops. Use the "MoreLoops" parameter to set 2 loops. Then record your first loop with the multiplies in Loop 1, and your bridge in Loop 2. Then switch between them as you like. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Jul 4 00:43:35 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA09281; Sun, 4 Jul 1999 00:43:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Jul 1999 00:43:35 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <377EE194.5578BF96@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 03 Jul 1999 21:22:50 -0700 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: possibly lame question References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"e-9M12.0.kE1.c5kVt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6745 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com David Myers wrote: > ... pay Furman fifty bucks for a "special" power strip?! Just make sure > your cord isn't > getting warm; if so, make up more than one. Course I've never used power > monsters like big amps or really large synths, samplers, etc.... i guess i'm just independently wealthy :-) on the other hand, i've narrowly avoided having my rack and amps burn up because of (someone else's) bad wiring. whatever let's you sleep at night (especially with a 24-hour loop going)... lance g. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Jul 4 01:06:18 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA12896; Sun, 4 Jul 1999 01:06:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Jul 1999 01:06:18 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <377EE823.90377CFF@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 03 Jul 1999 21:50:54 -0700 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: why wall warts? References: <2148EC143F29D1118BE000805FC13CD0DB563C@migarexch01.maritz.com> <377D373B.B685EB47@sfsu.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"2TSQf1.0.Na2.tVkVt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6746 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Matt Davignon wrote: > By the way, what's with these fat plugs? All of my older Electro-Harmonix > effects have the regular AC plugs just like anything else in my house. Now > that they're being made again, they come with those annoying fat plugs. How > was that necessary? Newer versions of things are supposed to be smaller and > more convenient! The fact that my older pedals were built with those nice > small plugs seems to prove that those fat plugs aren't really necessary! They > could simply put the AC to DC adaptor right inside the pedal! It would make > the pedal a little bigger, but it would be a lot nicer! i read somewhere (possibly this list) that most signal processor manufacturers don't build in a power supply these days because 1. it is cheaper and 2. it helps with overseas marketability... lance g. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Jul 4 01:58:32 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA19658; Sun, 4 Jul 1999 01:58:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Jul 1999 01:58:32 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Phaedebk@aol.com Message-ID: <25404014.24b04edd@aol.com> Date: Sun, 4 Jul 1999 01:45:01 EDT Subject: Re: Boomerang MIDI To: Nemoguitt@aol.com, Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL NetMail version 2.0 Resent-Message-ID: <"rgTVS2.0.bQ4.7KlVt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6747 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Michael, Hey man, you're totally on the ball on that one! Just picked my Boomerang up today from Chuck's (http://www.wmcworld.com) killed my sleep before getting into work this evening, but you know, it's part of the fun of getting a new toy, eh? Just wish that it had an undo on it, but then that would complicate things a bit. Just wish that it was run in stereo, is really about the only majour improvement that I could think of at this time, outside of some MIDI abilities concerning triggering and/or editting, but then again that is kind of just adding the wood trim to the box... Tchus, Lee-ohki. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Jul 4 02:37:02 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA24575; Sun, 4 Jul 1999 02:37:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Jul 1999 02:37:02 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <377EE823.90377CFF@earthlink.net> References: <2148EC143F29D1118BE000805FC13CD0DB563C@migarexch01.maritz.com> <377D373B.B685EB47@sfsu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 3 Jul 1999 23:21:29 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: why wall warts? Resent-Message-ID: <"MORUJ2.0.vX5.3rlVt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6748 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 9:50 PM -0700 7/3/99, lance glover wrote: >Matt Davignon wrote: > >> By the way, what's with these fat plugs? All of my older Electro-Harmonix >> effects have the regular AC plugs just like anything else in my house. Now >> that they're being made again, they come with those annoying fat plugs. How >> was that necessary? Newer versions of things are supposed to be smaller and >> more convenient! The fact that my older pedals were built with those nice >> small plugs seems to prove that those fat plugs aren't really necessary! >>They >> could simply put the AC to DC adaptor right inside the pedal! It would make >> the pedal a little bigger, but it would be a lot nicer! > >i read somewhere (possibly this list) that most signal processor manufacturers >don't build in a power supply these days because 1. it is cheaper and 2. it >helps with overseas marketability... that's not it at all. I'm an electronics expert, and in my professional opinion wall warts are the work of Satan. Plain and simple. Electronics engineers throughout the world have been possessed by evil demons, forcing them to use these hellish devices in all their designs. They are intended to bring pain and suffering upon mankind, a harbringer of the apocalypse! You must resist the temptation of the hell-spawned wall wart! Do not allow this evil into your life or risk eternal damnation for yourself and your family! Throw this evil from your home immediately. Raise your voice to high heaven in protest of this scourge that the Dark Lord of Evil has wrought upon us! It is your only hope for salvation, save yourself now! kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Jul 4 06:12:37 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA17300; Sun, 4 Jul 1999 06:12:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Jul 1999 06:12:37 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <2.2.32.19990704095340.0074d270@mail.dada.it> X-Sender: cavallo@mail.dada.it X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 04 Jul 1999 11:53:40 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Leo Cavallo Subject: Re: VST? Resent-Message-ID: <"k-4s_3.0.1M3.V_oVt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6750 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi doug please don't put that kind of hostility in your replies... I think it's out of context here... and you should not feel like I doubt about your experience or competence or anything about what you said (like you did about my post.... or am I wrong?). >>> >> >>the Virtual Studio Technology is the whole software architecture, not just >>the plugin system >> >Yes, this is true, but for all but the programers out there, the plug-in >aspect is the most significant feature of VST, wouldn't you say? yes, but IMO only in part... I think the chance to record, mix, automate, process, etc., all in just a software environment is the hearth of the VST system. Doesn't VST stand for a "virtual studio" (with all its limits...) in your computer? and to a person who doesn't know at all what's VST stands for (the beginning of this thread...), how would do you reply to? like you'd do to a programmer? >Maybe things have been upgraded since I checked out the 2408, but it was >far from the "lowest latency around." I'm not calling you a liar, I just >have a much different recolection of their system, and it was much more >severe than 3ms. And that was on the fastest computer out there at the >time. sorry but I tests electronic products for living (instruments, softwares, audio interfaces, etc.)... I've installed a lot of audio cards and the MOTU2408 was the one I decided to buy.... I work on a PC and the lower latency you can achieve is precisely 3ms. On Mac I know from some pros using it, that you can go even lower (with a little more stability too...). It's definitely the lower latency value you can get on a computer at the moment. maybe you tried some older drivers? >I will admit that for any serious DAW stuff, I will not go with anything >less than a full-blown Protools system. depends on your budget and your purposes.. It's obvious that Pro Tools is the best DAW sistem around, but for a lot less money I've seen pro engineers producing great records with VST and home-DAW too... Quality is quality (and ProTools has it...) but a lot depends how much you know your tools and how you use them... >>BTW, like real studio usually do, it's better to record straight clean and >>then process the signal (with plug ins), than recording wet... so latency >>should not be a big problem... > >I'll not even comment on the "real studio" comment, sufice it to say that >I've had considerable time on SSLs, etc. In a plugin environment, I >never print effects, but it is disconcerting to play while monitoring a >dry signal. I always record Guitarists through ampfarm, but print only >the dry signal, so I can tweek it later, for instance. If you're NOT >working this way, you are missing half of the point of a plug-in DAW. sorry for my poor english... I didn't want to hurt you at all... I'm sure you're the best engineer around... and don't wanna doubt about that, no way... but please, try to avoid those childish reactions and don't doubt about my credentials too... BTW, I usually don't monitor through Cubase at all... using external gear and outboard processing to record and then all the plug ins to add colour > > > >>in fact big latency values are a problem only >>for mixing, when your moves on the virtual mixers have a delay on the music >>played. > >Which should be automated, eh? yes, but as you probably know if a slider or a knob don't respond in time it's quite difficult to automate a whole mix... and inserting all the values via keyboard it's a very long process.... ciao leo > > >Doug > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Jul 4 07:08:29 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA25023; Sun, 4 Jul 1999 07:08:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Jul 1999 07:08:29 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.32.19990704130538.006d6e94@email.aon.at> X-Sender: aon.912027787@email.aon.at X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Sun, 04 Jul 1999 13:07:11 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: haeusle Subject: OT - looking for novation bass station manual Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"OUS113.0.Ri5.uppVt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6751 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com hi! i'm looking for a novation bass station (keyboard) manual really bad. it would be great if somebody could mail or fax it to me. could anybody help me? lorenz From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Jul 4 08:09:51 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA31986; Sun, 4 Jul 1999 08:09:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Jul 1999 08:09:51 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19990704130538.006d6e94@email.aon.at> Date: Sun, 4 Jul 1999 07:48:13 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Patrick Smith Subject: Re: OT - looking for novation bass station manual Resent-Message-ID: <"5F3Ta1.0.VG7.QfqVt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6753 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >hi! > >i'm looking for a novation bass station (keyboard) manual really bad. it >would be great if somebody could mail or fax it to me. could anybody help me? > >lorenz Lorenz, If no one on the list can help you with this, contact Rogue Music oin NEw York City. They will make a very good bound photocopy of any manual for a reasonable fee. Search for thier web site to get the phone number. patrick Fingerpaint's New Release: IN THE LOOP ... an intelligent, stimulating mixture of mimimaist spacebeats and obscure samples layered upon a hypnotic illbient backdrop. DIGITAL ARTIFACT # 12 http://www.fingerpaint.net From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Jul 4 08:09:18 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA31915; Sun, 4 Jul 1999 08:09:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Jul 1999 08:09:18 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <377EE823.90377CFF@earthlink.net> <2148EC143F29D1118BE000805FC13CD0DB563C@migarexch01.maritz.com> <377D373B.B685EB47@sfsu.edu> Date: Sun, 4 Jul 1999 07:45:07 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Patrick Smith Subject: Re: why wall warts? Resent-Message-ID: <"99USy1.0.5C7.XcqVt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6752 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com On 7/4/99 Kim Flint wrote: > >You must resist the temptation of the hell-spawned wall wart! Do not allow >this evil into your life or risk eternal damnation for yourself and your >family! Throw this evil from your home immediately. Raise your voice to >high heaven in protest of this scourge that the Dark Lord of Evil has >wrought upon us! It is your only hope for salvation, save yourself now! > TOO LATE!!!! Patrick Fingerpaint's New Release: IN THE LOOP ... an intelligent, stimulating mixture of mimimaist spacebeats and obscure samples layered upon a hypnotic illbient backdrop. DIGITAL ARTIFACT # 12 http://www.fingerpaint.net From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Jul 4 10:05:49 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA13225; Sun, 4 Jul 1999 10:05:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Jul 1999 10:05:49 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990704095401.007a48f0@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sun, 04 Jul 1999 09:54:01 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: OT - looking for novation bass station manual In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19990704130538.006d6e94@email.aon.at> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"5Z4Ys1.0.uf2.nMsVt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6754 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I don't think he's got this one, but if anyone's looking for hard-to-find manuals, Mark Glinsky has a huge list of 'em available (To bring this more on-topic, the JamMan and the EDP are on it!). You can see his "Manual Manor" at Tim At 01:07 PM 7/4/99 +0200, you wrote: >hi! > >i'm looking for a novation bass station (keyboard) manual really bad. it >would be great if somebody could mail or fax it to me. could anybody help me? > >lorenz > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Jul 4 11:33:00 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA22283; Sun, 4 Jul 1999 11:33:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Jul 1999 11:33:00 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: PMimlitsch@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 4 Jul 1999 11:15:17 EDT Subject: Fwd: ArtMatic is born To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, stickwire-l@majordomo.netcom.com, taptalk@ari.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part1_ac5f06a.24b0d485_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 56 Resent-Message-ID: <"SjZqD2.0.r35._gtVt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6755 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com --part1_ac5f06a.24b0d485_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Attention all you Loop/Video/Light Show maestros out there. Check this out: In a message dated 7/4/99 5:31:21 AM, wenger@sirius.com writes: << Dear Everybody, U&I software is happy to announce the birth of my new baby, ArtMatic. "ArtMatic is new kind of program, an "Art Synthesizer", which makes it possible for anyone to create breathtakingly vibrant images, psychedelic animations, and even exciting new sounds. ArtMatic combines fractal and fractal-like images, random textures, gradients, displacements maps, and tiles in exciting ways not possible with any other product. It is easy and fun to use and requires no special skills or knowledge. ArtMatic can create: Pictures - an incredible number of stunning pictures can be created during even a short session of a few minutes. Be sure to have enough disk space! QuickTime Movies - ArtMatic features several animation modes to render high resolution QuickTime movies. Sounds - Strange, exciting sounds can be automatically generated from ArtMatic's mathematical "structures". Don't worry, no mathematical skills required. Not only is it just plain fun to watch ArtMatic invent and evolve amazing graphical worlds, it can also be used more seriously to: - Design your own flyers and CD covers - Create textures and terrain maps for Bryce and backgrounds for Photoshop - Design pictures to be used as filters or displacement maps in MetaSynth - Create background tiles for your web pages - Create great animations and sounds for your live performances, Techno parties or art clips. - Design original fabric and decorative motifs - Create sound samples materials for MetaSynth" Check the Software and its presentation at www.uisoftware.com. The version is immediately available for downloading. Without a Serial number ArtMatic will run in demo mode for a limited amount of time. You can order serial numbers on line... The introductory price is only 79$. The direct URL to the ArtMatic documentation http://www.uisoftware.com/artmatic/ArtMaticDoc/index.html The direct URL to the ArtMatic pages http://www.uisoftware.com/PAGES/ArtMaticDoc/index.html Best Regards and have fun Eric Wenger, U&I software, >> --part1_ac5f06a.24b0d485_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from rly-zb04.mx.aol.com (rly-zb04.mail.aol.com [172.31.41.4]) by air-zb03.mail.aol.com (v59.54) with SMTP; Sun, 04 Jul 1999 01:31:21 -0400 Received: from mail1.sirius.com (mail1.sirius.com [205.134.253.131]) by rly-zb04.mx.aol.com (vx) with SMTP; Sun, 04 Jul 1999 01:31:12 -0400 Received: from [205.134.244.60] (ppp-asok07--120.sirius.net [205.134.245.120]) by mail1.sirius.com (8.9.2/8.9.1) with SMTP id VAA59288; Sat, 3 Jul 1999 21:29:31 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 3 Jul 1999 21:44:22 -0700 To: (Recipient list suppressed) From: wenger@sirius.com (eric wenger) Subject: ArtMatic is born Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear Everybody, U&I software is happy to announce the birth of my new baby, ArtMatic. "ArtMatic is new kind of program, an "Art Synthesizer", which makes it possible for anyone to create breathtakingly vibrant images, psychedelic animations, and even exciting new sounds. ArtMatic combines fractal and fractal-like images, random textures, gradients, displacements maps, and tiles in exciting ways not possible with any other product. It is easy and fun to use and requires no special skills or knowledge. ArtMatic can create: Pictures - an incredible number of stunning pictures can be created during even a short session of a few minutes. Be sure to have enough disk space! QuickTime Movies - ArtMatic features several animation modes to render high resolution QuickTime movies. Sounds - Strange, exciting sounds can be automatically generated from ArtMatic's mathematical "structures". Don't worry, no mathematical skills required. Not only is it just plain fun to watch ArtMatic invent and evolve amazing graphical worlds, it can also be used more seriously to: - Design your own flyers and CD covers - Create textures and terrain maps for Bryce and backgrounds for Photoshop - Design pictures to be used as filters or displacement maps in MetaSynth - Create background tiles for your web pages - Create great animations and sounds for your live performances, Techno parties or art clips. - Design original fabric and decorative motifs - Create sound samples materials for MetaSynth" Check the Software and its presentation at www.uisoftware.com. The version is immediately available for downloading. Without a Serial number ArtMatic will run in demo mode for a limited amount of time. You can order serial numbers on line... The introductory price is only 79$. The direct URL to the ArtMatic documentation http://www.uisoftware.com/artmatic/ArtMaticDoc/index.html The direct URL to the ArtMatic pages http://www.uisoftware.com/PAGES/ArtMaticDoc/index.html Best Regards and have fun Eric Wenger, U&I software, San Francisco, --part1_ac5f06a.24b0d485_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Jul 4 11:51:13 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA24113; Sun, 4 Jul 1999 11:51:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Jul 1999 11:51:13 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <9505b406.24b0d8a4@aol.com> Date: Sun, 4 Jul 1999 11:32:52 EDT Subject: Re: Boomerang MIDI To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 Resent-Message-ID: <"VLoNc.0.MT5.cxtVt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6756 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 7/4/99 4:58:27 AM Mid-Atlantic Daylight Time, Phaedebk@aol.com writes: << just wish that it had an undo on it, >> yes....the rang is unforgiving, but it sure makes you re-think what a mistake is....michael From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Jul 4 11:52:38 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA24290; Sun, 4 Jul 1999 11:52:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Jul 1999 11:52:38 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 4 Jul 1999 11:34:58 EDT Subject: Re: why wall warts? To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 Resent-Message-ID: <"nytee1.0.WW5.JztVt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6757 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 7/4/99 5:37:04 AM Mid-Atlantic Daylight Time, kflint@annihilist.com writes: << I'm an electronics expert >> well im not, and now im terrified............thanks kim.............:)..........michael From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Jul 4 11:56:21 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA24804; Sun, 4 Jul 1999 11:56:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Jul 1999 11:56:21 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Sun, 4 Jul 1999 07:39:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Pafford X-Sender: todd@galen.dyn.ml.org To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Boomerang MIDI In-Reply-To: <25404014.24b04edd@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"hqSGh1.0._a5.u_tVt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6758 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com On Sun, 4 Jul 1999 Phaedebk@aol.com wrote: > Just wish that it had an undo on it, but then that would complicate things a > bit. Just wish that it was run in stereo, is really about the only majour > improvement that I could think of at this time, outside of some MIDI > abilities concerning triggering and/or editting, but then again that is kind > of just adding the wood trim to the box... > Good point about it not running in stereo. I've become so used to mono-ifying my Vortex output that I had forgotten about it, but the Vortex really does deserve to be let loose on two channels. Now that I think about it, I'd say stereo is very high (if not top) on my list of wanted features too. :) --- "If the doors of perception were cleansed everything would appear to man as it is, infinite." -- William Blake Todd Pafford galen@erols.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Jul 4 12:21:58 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA26765; Sun, 4 Jul 1999 12:21:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Jul 1999 12:21:58 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: PMimlitsch@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 4 Jul 1999 12:11:44 EDT Subject: for my/your? listening pleasure To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, taptalk@progrock.net, stickwire-l@majordomo.netcom.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 56 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by rosy.yourwebhost.com id MAA26105 Resent-Message-ID: <"rbn291.0.8O6.mVuVt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6759 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com in the rotation; "Anatomy of a Wish" - Jon Durant (w/T.Levin on StickŪ for you tappsters) "Western Lands" - Art Durkee "A" - Knut Hamre and Steve Tibbetts "Release Your Mind vol2" - various artists "In the Loop" - Fingerpaint "Defective Soundscapes" - various artists From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Jul 4 13:15:16 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA31137; Sun, 4 Jul 1999 13:15:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Jul 1999 13:15:16 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199907041657.MAA16616@popcorn.netaxs.com> From: "Don \"Mango\" Pancoe" To: Subject: Re: WTB: Digitech PMC10 MIDI Foot Controller Date: Sun, 4 Jul 1999 12:57:26 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"lPPmc3.0.JB7.CAvVt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6760 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >Got one I'm not using. Would like $100 plus shipping. I'm interested. Do you have the separate programmer as well? I'm not sure if that came standard with the unit or if it was an option. If the separate programmer is not included, what is the method of programming the unit? Do you have the owner's manual? I'm in Philadelphia, PA, and have had good experience with shipping gear COD via the good old US Postal Service. For me, at least, they seem to make it much easier to come and pick up the item. FedEx is fairly easy as well, but more expensive. UPS seem to make it very difficult to pick up the unit, and they don't hold onto it very long before shipping it back. If you have any other arrangements in mind (e.g. a third party) please feel free to suggest them as well. BTW, it may seem odd to buy a product sight-unseen, but do you have any jpg images of the unit, or know of any on the web? Thanks, -- Mango -- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Jul 4 14:05:55 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA05191; Sun, 4 Jul 1999 14:05:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Jul 1999 14:05:55 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Subject: Re: why wall warts? Date: Sun, 4 Jul 99 11:49:48 -0600 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: Doug Tapia To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Message-ID: <1281008420-10570003@arts.unco.edu> Resent-Message-ID: <"3suuL2.0.0n.VvvVt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6761 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >Subject: Re: why wall warts? >Sent: 7/5/19 6:33 AM >Received: 7/4/99 11:39 AM >From: lance glover, baumhaus@earthlink.net >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > > >Matt Davignon wrote: > >> By the way, what's with these fat plugs? All of my older Electro-Harmonix >> effects have the regular AC plugs just like anything else in my house. Now >> that they're being made again, they come with those annoying fat plugs. How >> was that necessary? Newer versions of things are supposed to be smaller and >> more convenient! The fact that my older pedals were built with those nice >> small plugs seems to prove that those fat plugs aren't really necessary! They >> could simply put the AC to DC adaptor right inside the pedal! It would make >> the pedal a little bigger, but it would be a lot nicer! > >i read somewhere (possibly this list) that most signal processor >manufacturers >don't build in a power supply these days because 1. it is cheaper and 2. it >helps with overseas marketability... > 3. Removing the power supply (or at least the step down transformer) from the main unit lowers the noise floor by a few dB 4. Devices with internal power supplies have to be tested for UL listing, which is a pretty expensive undertaking from any perspective. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Jul 4 15:05:53 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA13021; Sun, 4 Jul 1999 15:05:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Jul 1999 15:05:53 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: ENAT21213@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 4 Jul 1999 14:45:20 EDT Subject: Re: for my/your? listening pleasure / steve tibbetts To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 Resent-Message-ID: <"kvzqe2.0.ca2.-lwVt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6762 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 7/4/99 12:21:51 PM Eastern Daylight Time, PMimlitsch@aol.com writes: > "A" - Knut Hamre and Steve Tibbetts what's this one sound like? man i miss the days of his heavy spastic guitar collages ( yr,safe journey,big map idea,the fall of us all)............his last collaboration (cho?) didn't really cut it for me. anyone know when he might release another solo album? brian electric bird noise http://members.aol.com/ebnoise/index.html From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Jul 4 15:24:28 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA15594; Sun, 4 Jul 1999 15:24:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Jul 1999 15:24:28 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Kriist@aol.com Message-ID: <2a5b0263.24b10a5e@aol.com> Date: Sun, 4 Jul 1999 15:05:02 EDT Subject: smartmedia card for my 202 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 Resent-Message-ID: <"uDkca1.0.bB3.H2xVt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6763 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com i recently got my 202 and i love it i saw some brief talk(ive been deleting alot of mail lately)of buying a smartmedia card from not roland can anybody fill me in on who where and how much? my friend works at guitar center and he got me the 202 at alittle above cost but the card he said is $70 should i get that or somewhere else rodrigo From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Jul 4 15:32:39 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA16685; Sun, 4 Jul 1999 15:32:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Jul 1999 15:32:39 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <000401bec652$459a2360$a82d2e9c@oemcomputer> Reply-To: "Mike" From: "Mike" To: Subject: Re: for my/your? listening pleasure / steve tibbetts Date: Sun, 4 Jul 1999 12:20:04 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"utDNB3.0.CX3.ACxVt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6764 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hello, I don't know when Steve will be putting out a new record, but I do know that Sonic Foundry is putting out a superb collection of loops by Marc Anderson. This will be hitting the streets in .wav file format for ACID (and any .wav-compatible device) toward the end of July, and will be officially debuted at WOMAD with Marc in attendance. I must tell you, these loops are incredible, and I'm not just saying this because I work at SF! :-) REALLY! :-) Mike Scheibinger Sound Development Manager Sonic Foundry Ambient Soundscapes: LAGOM http://www.mp3.com/artists/31/lagom.html -----Original Message----- From: ENAT21213@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Sunday, July 04, 1999 12:04 PM Subject: Re: for my/your? listening pleasure / steve tibbetts >In a message dated 7/4/99 12:21:51 PM Eastern Daylight Time, >PMimlitsch@aol.com writes: > >> "A" - Knut Hamre and Steve Tibbetts > >what's this one sound like? >man i miss the days of his heavy spastic guitar collages ( yr,safe >journey,big map idea,the fall of us all)............his last collaboration >(cho?) didn't really cut it for me. anyone know when he might release another >solo album? >brian > >electric bird noise >http://members.aol.com/ebnoise/index.html > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Jul 4 17:04:29 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA28912; Sun, 4 Jul 1999 17:04:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Jul 1999 17:04:29 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Sun, 4 Jul 1999 16:40:31 -0400 From: Andreas Willers Subject: Headrush/Space Station review Sender: Andreas Willers To: "INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Message-ID: <199907041640_MC2-7BCA-D7D3@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by rosy.yourwebhost.com id QAA25690 Resent-Message-ID: <"tVlEj.0.eH6.qRyVt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6765 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com -------------------- Begin Original Message -------------------- Message text written by INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com "If you're looking for a looper, get the boomerang. If you want the tape delay aspect of it, it's great for that." -------------------- End Original Message -------------------- Does the headrush do reverse delays and/or sped up/slowed down stuff? From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Jul 4 17:14:49 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA30699; Sun, 4 Jul 1999 17:14:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Jul 1999 17:14:49 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <2a5b0263.24b10a5e@aol.com> Date: Sun, 4 Jul 1999 16:53:59 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Patrick Smith Subject: Re: smartmedia card for my 202 Resent-Message-ID: <"jK3mJ3.0.jm6.3fyVt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6766 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >i recently got my 202 and i love it >i saw some brief talk(ive been deleting alot of mail lately)of buying a >smartmedia card from not roland >can anybody fill me in on who where and how much? >my friend works at guitar center and he got me the 202 at alittle above cost >but the card he said is $70 >should i get that or somewhere else > >rodrigo However I did find the appopriate 4MB Smart Media Card at a CompUSA. It is made by Toshiba TC5832DC. I picked this up about a year ago, but I recall it being around $30 less than the Roland Card. Patrick From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Jul 4 17:37:27 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA01559; Sun, 4 Jul 1999 17:37:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Jul 1999 17:37:27 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <377F9A33.B839F659@magi.com> Date: Sun, 04 Jul 1999 17:30:28 +0000 From: David Pattee X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: smartmedia card for my 202 References: <2a5b0263.24b10a5e@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"a57Lz2.0.c6.h8zVt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6767 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Here is what I did: I bought my first one from the dealer I got my sampler from and I paid way to much. I then went to: http://www.pricewatch.com and found the best price. I'm in Canada and after shipping from the USA, duty and exchange it came out way cheaper than if I had got them locally or gone with the (never again) proprietary Roland cards. I also used this method to get cards for my Roland MS-1 when I still had it. Hope this helps. dave Kriist@aol.com wrote: > > i recently got my 202 and i love it > i saw some brief talk(ive been deleting alot of mail lately)of buying a > smartmedia card from not roland > can anybody fill me in on who where and how much? > my friend works at guitar center and he got me the 202 at alittle above cost > but the card he said is $70 > should i get that or somewhere else > > rodrigo From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Jul 4 19:10:49 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA12864; Sun, 4 Jul 1999 19:10:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Jul 1999 19:10:49 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Crossedout@aol.com Message-ID: <333da8e0.24b13f8b@aol.com> Date: Sun, 4 Jul 1999 18:51:55 EDT Subject: Re: OT - looking for novation bass station manual To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 Resent-Message-ID: <"WHRNZ1.0.HY2.yM-Vt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6768 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com If you can't find it for free through other means, let me know, I'll dig mine out and scan it and mail it to you. I'd do it now, but I can't put my finger right on it this second, I'd have to look for it. Let me know. - Bill Crossedout@aol.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Jul 4 19:48:10 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA17517; Sun, 4 Jul 1999 19:48:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Jul 1999 19:48:10 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990704233138.21961.rocketmail@web126.yahoomail.com> Date: Sun, 4 Jul 1999 16:31:38 -0700 (PDT) From: dan sumner Subject: Re: smartmedia card for my 202 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"SoJV51.0.Ql3.hx-Vt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6769 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Patrick, Do you know if the 202 will accept larger megabyte cards and store more samples with it? Dan --- Patrick Smith wrote: > >i recently got my 202 and i love it > >i saw some brief talk(ive been deleting alot of > mail lately)of buying a > >smartmedia card from not roland > >can anybody fill me in on who where and how much? > >my friend works at guitar center and he got me the > 202 at alittle above cost > >but the card he said is $70 > >should i get that or somewhere else > > > >rodrigo > > However I did find the appopriate 4MB Smart Media > Card at a CompUSA. It is > made by Toshiba TC5832DC. I picked this up about a > year ago, but I recall > it being around $30 less than the Roland Card. > > Patrick > > _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Jul 4 21:58:53 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA01216; Sun, 4 Jul 1999 21:58:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Jul 1999 21:58:53 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990705011945.24922.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [142.150.129.40] From: ld thomson To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: OT - looking for novation bass station manual Date: Sun, 04 Jul 1999 18:19:45 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"DhqG72.0.YZ7.Fn0Wt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6770 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I have one. I can copy it for you no problem. Send your snail address and its yours with a smile. Lorne Thomson. Toronto Canada. >From: Patrick Smith >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Subject: Re: OT - looking for novation bass station manual >Date: Sun, 4 Jul 1999 07:48:13 -0500 > > >hi! > > > >i'm looking for a novation bass station (keyboard) manual really bad. it > >would be great if somebody could mail or fax it to me. could anybody help >me? > > > >lorenz > >Lorenz, > >If no one on the list can help you with this, contact Rogue Music oin NEw >York City. They will make a very good bound photocopy of any manual for a >reasonable fee. Search for thier web site to get the phone number. > >patrick > Fingerpaint's New Release: > > IN THE LOOP > > ... an intelligent, stimulating mixture of mimimaist spacebeats and > obscure samples layered upon a hypnotic illbient backdrop. > > DIGITAL ARTIFACT # 12 > > http://www.fingerpaint.net > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Jul 4 22:35:35 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA07065; Sun, 4 Jul 1999 22:35:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Jul 1999 22:35:35 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <19990704233138.21961.rocketmail@web126.yahoomail.com> Date: Sun, 4 Jul 1999 22:17:59 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Patrick Smith Subject: Re: smartmedia card for my 202 Resent-Message-ID: <"khP5W3.0.K61.pO1Wt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6771 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com On 7/4 99 Dan wrote: >Patrick, > >Do you know if the 202 will accept larger megabyte >cards and store more samples with it? >Dan Dan, I don't hav my manual handy, but I'm certain that the 202 only accepts 2 or 4MB cards. Remeber also that not all of the effects are available when using the samples stored on cards. Only what is stored in the A & B areas. you can still use the pitch shifter and the ring modulator. patrick Fingerpaint's New Release: IN THE LOOP ... an intelligent, stimulating mixture of mimimaist spacebeats and obscure samples layered upon a hypnotic illbient backdrop. DIGITAL ARTIFACT # 12 http://www.fingerpaint.net From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Jul 4 23:57:02 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA17495; Sun, 4 Jul 1999 23:57:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Jul 1999 23:57:02 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Hawkeye255@aol.com Message-ID: <168a20fc.24b18008@aol.com> Date: Sun, 4 Jul 1999 23:27:04 EDT Subject: Re: why wall warts? To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Resent-Message-ID: <"6eyTE2.0.BP3.4P2Wt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6772 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com << 3. Removing the power supply (or at least the step down transformer) from the main unit lowers the noise floor by a few dB>> As a musician THAT justifies the ugly little pugs. An example: my Korg X5DR is very clean (soundwise), my Korg NS5R is pretty noisy. The NS5R has a built-in power supply with transformer, the X5DR has a wall wart. hawkeye From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Jul 4 23:58:57 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA17917; Sun, 4 Jul 1999 23:58:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Jul 1999 23:58:57 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Hawkeye255@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 4 Jul 1999 23:42:08 EDT Subject: Re: Headrush/Space Station review To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Resent-Message-ID: <"LCEIg3.0.zr3.Ad2Wt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6773 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I disagree with the previous assesment of the Headrush (I don't remember by whom). I like it a lot as a looper. BTW: it has 12 seconds of loops with overdub, not 5.9, and about 24 total without overdubs. And I have owned an EDP. The Akai has a very clean sound, unlike the 'rang and, to my ears, even a little better than the EDP. No it doesn't reverse, or slow down, but I have samplers for that. The feature I'm using most now that I've had it a month is the normal delay with adjustable feedback. Almost 24 seconds of infinite layers with those gradual fades are really working with what I'm trying to do. my two cents, Bill 'hawkeye' From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jul 5 04:02:00 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA22920; Mon, 5 Jul 1999 04:02:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999 04:02:00 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <015201bec6bc$c0cd8bc0$c275d6d1@micronjenni> From: "Jenni Leeds" To: , Subject: Vortex Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999 03:02:39 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Content-Type: text/plain; boundary="----------------------------"; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <"Ndgd11.0.uQ5.kK6Wt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6774 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hello Everyone, I have to ask this: Does anyone know where/how I can get a Lexicon Vortex? I've been searching on my own, and realize that I truly need some help. I just have to have one. So if anyone has any info, please e-mail me privately. Thanks.Sincerely, Jamie Mash p.s. I was in Mars the other day and just happened to run into their last EDP and jumped all over it at a marked down price. Just thought I'd boast a bit, but yeah they're out there, just keep looking. Peace. p.p.s. Does anyone on this list deal in looping noisier sounds and such a la Lee Renaldo or Small Cruel Party? This has interested me lately. Oh well. Good day/night! From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jul 5 04:54:17 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA29599; Mon, 5 Jul 1999 04:54:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999 04:54:17 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990705085002.26495.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999 01:50:02 -0700 (PDT) From: John Tidwell Subject: Re: Vortex To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"4rgs31.0.d37.777Wt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6775 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Try Big City Music http://bigcitymusic.com I bought a new one from him several months ago & he still had several in stock. John --- Jenni Leeds wrote: > > Hello Everyone, I have to ask this: Does anyone know > where/how I can get a > Lexicon Vortex? I've been searching on my own, and > realize that I truly need > some help. I just have to have one. So if anyone has > any info, please e-mail > me privately. > Thanks.Sincerely, Jamie Mash > > p.s. I was in Mars the other day and just happened > to run into their last > EDP and jumped all over it at a marked down price. > Just thought I'd boast a > bit, but yeah they're out there, just keep looking. > Peace. > > p.p.s. Does anyone on this list deal in looping > noisier sounds and such a la > Lee Renaldo or Small Cruel Party? This has > interested me lately. Oh well. > Good day/night! > > > === John Tidwell _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jul 5 06:15:02 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA06521; Mon, 5 Jul 1999 06:15:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999 06:15:02 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <1281008420-10570003@arts.unco.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999 03:09:34 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: why wall warts? Resent-Message-ID: <"e1KzP2.0.yQ1.vG8Wt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6776 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 10:49 AM -0700 7/4/99, Doug Tapia wrote: >>Matt Davignon wrote: >> >>> By the way, what's with these fat plugs? All of my older Electro-Harmonix >>> effects have the regular AC plugs just like anything else in my house. Now >>> that they're being made again, they come with those annoying fat plugs. How >>> was that necessary? Newer versions of things are supposed to be smaller and >>> more convenient! The fact that my older pedals were built with those nice >>> small plugs seems to prove that those fat plugs aren't really necessary! >They >>> could simply put the AC to DC adaptor right inside the pedal! It would make >>> the pedal a little bigger, but it would be a lot nicer! >> >>i read somewhere (possibly this list) that most signal processor >>manufacturers >>don't build in a power supply these days because 1. it is cheaper and 2. it >>helps with overseas marketability... I think the best thing for overseas marketability is an internal supply that auto-senses the mains voltage and sets itself correctly. The second best thing is an internal supply with a switch for the user to set it according to where they are. Both allow people to travel easily, and can work anywhere without much hassle. (which simplifies mfg and distribution too.) The third best thing is wall warts, since that requires separate wall warts for different parts of the world, which can be a big hassle if you can't find the right one. The worst are devices fixed to one mains voltage, where you need to deal with transformers. >> >3. Removing the power supply (or at least the step down transformer) >from the main unit lowers the noise floor by a few dB No, that's not really true. Only if the person designing the supply has no idea what they are doing. How many pro studio consoles have you noticed using wall warts? Designing clean internal supplies is not that expensive, and not that hard. A correctly designed supply should not increase noise at all. If anything, wall warts are a far worse situation, since they are generally made with cheap transformers, completely unshielded in a plastic housing. They radiate like mad, and can cause a lot of hum in nearby audio devices. >4. Devices with internal power supplies have to be tested for UL >listing, which is a pretty expensive undertaking from any perspective. It's actually pretty easy, just some paperwork if you do the design right. Same with CE. That's hardly a justification for using an extremely unreliable component in pro gear. It's more like an excuse given for lazy or inept engineering. For god's sake, toasters and hair dryers get UL approval for direct AC connections. This is electronics 101, no rocket science necessary! Really, the reason you have these pieces of crap attached to your otherwise well-made gear is because you allow it. You're the consumer, it's your money, demand a better product! kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jul 5 09:41:36 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA00476; Mon, 5 Jul 1999 09:41:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999 09:41:36 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999 09:28:46 -0400 From: Andreas Willers Subject: Re: why wall warts? Sender: Andreas Willers To: "INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Message-ID: <199907050929_MC2-7BD9-B9D9@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by rosy.yourwebhost.com id JAA31278 Resent-Message-ID: <"tcMvA.0._e7.GEBWt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6777 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com You're right, Kim, wall warts are the cockroaches of the music industry! Suffering with you.... From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jul 5 09:46:25 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA01290; Mon, 5 Jul 1999 09:46:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999 09:46:25 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <000a01bec6eb$59b80940$b8c2fea9@w4b2u1> From: "halcyon1" To: Subject: Transformers Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999 15:36:11 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"3mZfL2.0.Am7.vGBWt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6778 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi, I'm new to the list. I use two Jammans {Jammen?} with a Vortex, among other processors, with a JP-8000, JD-800 and midi guitar. Its good to have a group of musicians like this! I recently moved to Switzerland from the USA and am wondering about step down transformers for my small electronic music studio. 240>120 volts. I've been searching over here but haven't found any larger watt transformers so far. Any advice or recommendations would be greatly appreciated. Daniel halcyon1@bluewin.ch From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jul 5 10:15:51 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA06110; Mon, 5 Jul 1999 10:15:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999 10:15:51 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Guillermo Priotto" To: Subject: Echoplex Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999 11:10:27 -0300 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <0827a2909140579MAIL1@mail1.arnet.com.ar> Resent-Message-ID: <"Wnyfg3.0.uE1.LpBWt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6780 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hello, Iīm Mauricio Manchón.I live in Argentina and I play the stick.I want to buy 2 Oberheim Echoplex Digital Pro III with EFC-7 Foot Controller.The question is : Which dealer in Miami have these machines? What is brand new cash price? My address is Esquiú 355 (5000) Córdoba, Argentina and mye-mail is guillepriotto@arnet.com.ar From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jul 5 10:13:17 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA05462; Mon, 5 Jul 1999 10:13:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999 10:13:17 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999 14:43:56 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19990705145213.4c774c94@subnet.virtual-pc.com> X-Sender: or387751@subnet.virtual-pc.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: david cooper orton Subject: "A" - Knut Hamre and Steve Tibbetts Resent-Message-ID: <"jyqcI1.0._W.WYBWt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6779 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Brian asked: >> "A" - Knut Hamre and Steve Tibbetts >what's this one sound like? >man i miss the days of his heavy spastic guitar collages ( yr,safe journey,big map >idea,the fall of us all)............his last collaboration (cho?) didn't really cut it >for me... It folows on from Cho in as much as that the guitar remains acoustic, as it did in Northern Song. Knut Hamre is Norweigan and an exponent of the hardingfele - the hardanger fiddle. Its not "easy listening" by any means ("the fiddlers and their instruments were thought to be in league with certain spirits, or even Satan himself, or Satan herself" apparently), just less direct than the out-bursts of sound familiar from the records you list above. Amazon.com has some sound samples and a bit of background text, and Steve's own site (listed in the LD Loopers of the world profile list) has more details via So - depends which side of the Tibbetts duality one favours more, perhaps (not that one can't like both of course), and hope that helps a little. As to when a solo record is due - he and Marc seem to be touring quite a bit, so probably nothing that soon? Cheers David From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jul 5 10:41:32 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA10518; Mon, 5 Jul 1999 10:41:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999 10:41:32 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: PMimlitsch@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999 10:33:57 EDT Subject: Re: for my/your? listening pleasure / steve tibbetts To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 56 Resent-Message-ID: <"fGuFr1.0.jK2.JACWt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6781 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 7/4/99 7:05:48 PM, ENAT21213@AOL.COM writes: << what's this one sound like? man i miss the days of his heavy spastic guitar collages ( yr,safe journey,big map idea,the fall of us all)............his last collaboration (cho?) didn't really cut it for me. anyone know when he might release another solo album? >> No "spastic guitar collages ( yr,safe journey,big map idea,the fall of us all)" - which I really like -stuff here but still real nice. I had the great pleasure to see Steve Tibbetts (one of my favorite musical inspirations) on the "Cho" tour this past spring and didn't know what to expect not haing heard the CD before hand. I came away from the concert thinking "well that was pleasant, no real ooh and ahh moments, but still real nice". However, whenever I reflect back on the concert, I have to say that it was one the the best concerts I've attended, both from the point of view of being the "detached listener" and of being the "analytical musician". Real restrained playing on both Tibbetts and Andersons parts but very intricate and nuanced. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jul 5 12:41:39 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA29810; Mon, 5 Jul 1999 12:41:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999 12:41:39 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990705163008.363.rocketmail@web4.rocketmail.com> Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999 09:30:08 -0700 (PDT) From: "Rev. Doubt-Goat" Subject: Re: possibly lame question To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"fL2Hq2.0.Er6.UtDWt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6782 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com 93 ---"Liebig, Steuart A." wrote: > i think that i remember people were discussing power strips that had the > outlets in sideways so that they could accomodate the dreaded wall warts. > anyone have suggetsions? The best solution I've found is to go to Home Base or other hardware store and get a 3-way power tap, preferably one of those long orange ones. This will accomadate 2 wall warts on the side and either another wart on the top or some other plug. I find I can fit 4 of these things onto a power strip and thereby run 9 wall warts and a couple of regular plugs, all from one power strip. It's worth looking into. 93 Rev. Doubt-Goat _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jul 5 13:04:19 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA00727; Mon, 5 Jul 1999 13:04:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999 13:04:19 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990705165110.9872.rocketmail@attach1.rocketmail.com> Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999 09:51:10 -0700 (PDT) From: "Rev. Doubt-Goat" Subject: Re: backing solo performances To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"Zhgau2.0.Ft7.tGEWt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6783 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com 93 Re: the pre-recorded vs. live problem: I used to actually play gigs with a sampler, mult-timbral synth module and drum machine, all run from the sequencer while I played guitar and my partner played guitar and vocals. I did this till I got in a real band ;-) There simply is no comparison between doing it with other people and doing it with yourself, so desu neh? I agree with others here that the key is in arrangements. If you've only got 2 people, then write music for two people. Usually, less is more, ya know? Ok, here's my current bit 'o prejudices: keyboardists who set up facing the audience (i.e. you can't see their hands, just the back of their keyboards with all of the wires hanging down like electronic intestines) and solo turntablists. These are damn dull to watch. Look, he's putting on another record and bobing his head! Oh, someone stop me from fainting with excitement! And if I see another so-called performance that features someone staring into their computer monitor, I going to go up between sets and pop a virus into their hard drive! (joke folks, joke!!) And now, dirty secret time: I like to play gigs where I midi synch my jamman to my sampler which is setup to play percussion loops. What is my secret, you might ask? I use a semi-nude dancer who everyone looks at, so no one pays me any attention! Heh heh heh heh... 93 Rev. Doubt-Goat === The Homepages of the Doubt-Goat Sekhet Maat Oasis, O.T.O. Lion & Serpent http://www.easystreet.com/~twilliam _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jul 5 13:23:45 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA03755; Mon, 5 Jul 1999 13:23:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999 13:23:45 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3780E8D3.AB6B6220@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 05 Jul 1999 10:18:14 -0700 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: why wall warts? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"LRLEF3.0.qe.sXEWt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6784 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Kim wrote: > > I think the best thing for overseas marketability is an internal supply > that auto-senses the mains voltage and sets itself correctly. The second > best thing is an internal supply with a switch for the user to set it > according to where they are. Both allow people to travel easily, and can > work anywhere without much hassle... no offense to the new life church or the town of colorado springs, but i think we should all start praying today to be released from this insidious menace. (btw, has no one noticed the striking similarity between the phrases "wall wart" and "wall mart"?!) lance g. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jul 5 16:12:26 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA28728; Mon, 5 Jul 1999 16:12:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999 16:12:26 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Subject: Re: why wall warts? Date: Mon, 5 Jul 99 14:02:46 -0600 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: Doug Tapia To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Message-ID: <1280914044-16249097@arts.unco.edu> Resent-Message-ID: <"pbfDL.0.ed6.8yGWt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6785 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >No, that's not really true. Only if the person designing the supply has no >idea what they are doing. How many pro studio consoles have you noticed >using wall warts? Designing clean internal supplies is not that expensive, >and not that hard. A correctly designed supply should not increase noise at >all. > Actually, many of the consoles I've worked on do have external power supplies, though I will admit, not of the wall wart or line lump variety. In fact, I would venture to say most of them have large 2 or 3 u rack mount power supplies. Are there some other components tucked away in here besides transformers etc, or is this just a big rack mounted wall wart in a sense? I'm not being sarcastic, I really don't know as I've only been involved in installing a couple studio consoles, but I have worked on quite a few and have spied power supplies for the consoles in many of the machine rooms. Some of my electronic engineer friends say that transformers are inherently noisy. They also point out a number of the new affordable Lexicon products as good examples of circut design. (All of those products which use wall warts) Aparently, all the power supply caps are on the main board and the wall wart only contains a step down transformer. They have explained that this greatly lowers the noise floor. Is Lexicon (and a number of other manufacturers, for that matter) just passing off sloppy circut design? Are these engineers just ganging up on us? HELP! Any word from you, Kim, would be most enlightening. >If anything, wall warts are a far worse situation, since they are generally >made with cheap transformers, completely unshielded in a plastic housing. >They radiate like mad, and can cause a lot of hum in nearby audio devices. > >>4. Devices with internal power supplies have to be tested for UL >>listing, which is a pretty expensive undertaking from any perspective. > >It's actually pretty easy, just some paperwork if you do the design right. >Same with CE. That's hardly a justification for using an extremely >unreliable component in pro gear. It's more like an excuse given for lazy >or inept engineering. For god's sake, toasters and hair dryers get UL >approval for direct AC connections. This is electronics 101, no rocket >science necessary! > I've heard people in R&D depts. (and certification managers) explain that if you sell a million toasters the UL listing is a few cents on a product, but if you sell only a few thousand Jam Men or Vortecies your cost per unit is much higher. Again, have I been played for a sucker by Corporate America? HELP! -Doug From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jul 5 21:51:36 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA11491; Mon, 5 Jul 1999 21:51:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999 21:51:36 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <001201bec750$0dfdcac0$e766aec7@default> From: "Alan Imberg" To: "Loopers" Subject: Book Recommendations Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999 18:37:00 -0700 Organization: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Resent-Message-ID: <"K1vAU1.0.AR2.1wLWt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6786 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Greetings: I've taken up Kim's request to compile a page of recommended reading for the LD site. I've gone throught the mailing list archives and extracted information regarding books and authors. If there are any other Loop or music related book recommendations, please e-mail me with your suggestions. Please include any appropriate publishing information (publisher, year of publication, etc..) and a brief summary of the books contents. Thank you, Alan Imberg From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jul 6 00:48:41 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA07699; Tue, 6 Jul 1999 00:48:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 00:48:41 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990706043605.30033.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [165.227.137.29] From: David Potter To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Book Recommendations; can you give us info now? Date: Mon, 05 Jul 1999 21:36:04 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"YWQnz2.0.yT1.ZVOWt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6787 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi Alan I'm interested in any looper reading material...any suggestions? Om Peace Looping Papa Dave >From: "Alan Imberg" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >To: "Loopers" >Subject: Book Recommendations >Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999 18:37:00 -0700 > >Greetings: >I've taken up Kim's request to compile a page of recommended reading for >the >LD site. I've gone throught the mailing list archives and extracted >information regarding books and authors. If there are any other Loop or >music related book recommendations, please e-mail me with your suggestions. >Please include any appropriate publishing information (publisher, year of >publication, etc..) and a brief summary of the books contents. > >Thank you, >Alan Imberg > > _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. 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------=_NextPart_000_0009_01BEC748.D44F6BA0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jul 6 02:43:37 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA24648; Tue, 6 Jul 1999 02:43:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 02:43:37 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 01:39:56 -0700 From: j honaker Subject: Re: [Fwd: Bucketheadland Announcements, 6/26/99] To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-id: <001301bec78b$20b0ecc0$d1ad3ea6@pavilion> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <4089-3776B1FF-12917@postoffice-111.bryant.webtv.net> Resent-Message-ID: <"XvmzL.0.9j5.fCQWt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6789 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Jordan Pease To: Sent: Sunday, June 27, 1999 4:21 PM Subject: Re: [Fwd: Bucketheadland Announcements, 6/26/99] > unsubscribe > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jul 6 03:23:13 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA29899; Tue, 6 Jul 1999 03:23:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 03:23:13 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3781AC2F.5E3F5159@in2win.com> Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 09:11:43 +0200 From: mark Organization: in2win Interactive Learning Systems X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: backing solo performances References: <19990705165110.9872.rocketmail@attach1.rocketmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=x-user-defined Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Return-Path: mark.francombe@in2win.com Resent-Message-ID: <"Zae_91.0.Cz6.vmQWt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6790 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In addition to the comments made by the Reverent Doubt Goat, I agree with the sentiment that keyboardists and DJs are dull to watch, but in these days of technology, there is always some "behind the scenes" wizardry going on somewhere in the sound-mix. In my last band "cranes" we had a rule that we only stick stuff on DAT if it was physically impossible to reproduce it "live". This was either due to a "special" sound/noise that that particular song needed, or if we would need an extra musician just for that song (unpractical when on a world tour to employ that tamberine player just for that important tamb' hit at the end of the bands single!) Please lets not get into a discussion as to "what is cheating or what isnt?" we are supposed to be into looping ar'nt we....isnt that cheating...kinda? Mark "Rev. Doubt-Goat" wrote: > > 93 > > Re: the pre-recorded vs. live problem: > > I used to actually play gigs with a sampler, > mult-timbral synth module and drum machine, all run > from the sequencer while I played guitar and my > partner played guitar and vocals. I did this till I > got in a real band ;-) There simply is no comparison > between doing it with other people and doing it with > yourself, so desu neh? > > I agree with others here that the key is in > arrangements. If you've only got 2 people, then write > music for two people. Usually, less is more, ya know? > > Ok, here's my current bit 'o prejudices: keyboardists > who set up facing the audience (i.e. you can't see > their hands, just the back of their keyboards with > all of the wires hanging down like electronic > intestines) and solo turntablists. These are damn > dull to watch. Look, he's putting on another record > and bobing his head! Oh, someone stop me from > fainting with excitement! And if I see another > so-called performance that features someone staring > into their computer monitor, I going to go up between > sets and pop a virus into their hard drive! (joke > folks, joke!!) > > And now, dirty secret time: I like to play gigs where > I midi synch my jamman to my sampler which is setup > to play percussion loops. What is my secret, you > might ask? I use a semi-nude dancer who everyone > looks at, so no one pays me any attention! Heh heh > heh heh... > > 93 > Rev. Doubt-Goat > === > The Homepages of the Doubt-Goat > > Sekhet Maat Oasis, O.T.O. > Lion & Serpent > > http://www.easystreet.com/~twilliam > _________________________________________________________ > DO YOU YAHOO!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com -- \ -\ --\ ---\ ----\ -----\ ------\ -------\ --------\ ---------\ ----------\ -----------\ ------------\ mark-red-----\ --------------\ ---------------\ work------------\ -----------------\ in2win------------\ -------------------\ multimedia-designer-\ ovre-slottsgate-5----\ 0157-oslo-------------\ tlf.--22-40-29-94------\ fax--22-42-14-24--------\ e-mail--mark@in2win.com--\ web--http-//www.in2win.com\ ---------------------------\ ----------------------------\ personal---------------------\ tlf.-22-43-10-79--------------\ mob.-91-56-99-88---------------\ mark@8day.com-------------------\ christine@8day.com---------------\ ----------------------------------\ -----------------------------------\ redweb------------------------------\ http-//www.8day.com/redweb-----------\ --------------------------------------\ ---------------------------------------\ icq-4531031-----------------------------\ -----------------------------------------\ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jul 6 04:47:31 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA07663; Tue, 6 Jul 1999 04:47:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 04:47:31 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Reply-To: "m.hughes" From: "Michael P. Hughes, PhD" To: Loopers-Delight Subject: unsub ;) Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 09:31:22 -0700 Message-ID: <001701bec7cc$fbdf6510$acb6e383@me-biopc-22.mech.surrey.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <199907060706.DAA27948@rosy.yourwebhost.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <"szGp52.0.fT1.FzRWt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6791 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com NO, I DON'T want to subscribe, but assuming nothing's changed in the last 6 months I've been away, you're all pretty narked by those that DO.... forgive me. For those that don't remember me (and you'd be entirely at liberty to do so), I used to be at Glasgow, had the email address pycraft@, and spent my time putting volume pedals in hardwired feedback loops around my 32-sec JamMan. Good to be back; nice to know nothing seems to have changed! BTW, I've updated my Loopers of the World entry... it's been embarrassing me for years, so I've finally done something about it. Mike PS Kim, I see on the LD wwwpage that you harbour distain for digests; is this why the LD digests appear (to MS Outlook anyway) an a seres of attachments rather than a contiguous EMail? _____________________________________________________________ Mike Hughes, Ph.D. Tel: (+44) 1483 300800 x2344 Lecturer in Biomedical Engineering, Fax: (+44) 1483 306039 University of Surrey, EMail: m.hughes@surrey.ac.uk Guildford, Surrey, UK www.surrey.ac.uk/MME/Research/BioMed From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jul 6 05:23:41 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA12577; Tue, 6 Jul 1999 05:23:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 05:23:41 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <001701bec7cc$fbdf6510$acb6e383@me-biopc-22.mech.surrey.ac.uk> References: <199907060706.DAA27948@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 02:18:26 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: unsub ;) Resent-Message-ID: <"l3KcO.0.Yp2.ycSWt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6792 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 9:31 AM -0700 7/6/99, Michael P. Hughes, PhD wrote: > >For those that don't remember me (and you'd be entirely at liberty to do >so), I used to be at Glasgow, had the email address pycraft@, and spent my >time putting volume pedals in hardwired feedback loops around my 32-sec >JamMan. Hey, welcome back Mike! > >Good to be back; nice to know nothing seems to have changed! BTW, I've >updated my Loopers of the World entry... it's been embarrassing me for >years, so I've finally done something about it. We're still around to embarrass you, so it's ok. >Mike > >PS Kim, I see on the LD wwwpage that you harbour distain for digests; is >this why the LD digests appear (to MS Outlook anyway) an a seres of >attachments rather than a contiguous EMail? The digest comes in standardized MIME digest format. Most typical mail programs offer several options for how you view MIME digests. (I have Eudora set to see it as one long text file.) MS has a knack for completely screwing up anything that's a standard, so god knows what they do with it. Outlook seems to be one of the more notorious examples of this. I'd say, get a real mailer. :-) kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jul 6 07:08:32 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA25818; Tue, 6 Jul 1999 07:08:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 07:08:32 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.32.19990705214705.006c3770@email.aon.at> X-Sender: aon.912027787@email.aon.at X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 12:56:04 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: haeusle Subject: Re: OT - looking for novation bass station manual Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"eCjaM2.0.wP5.SrTWt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6793 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com thanks a lot to everybody who helped me on this! it's great to know that there are always some people out there who can help me! thanks again, lorenz From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jul 6 09:37:50 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA14118; Tue, 6 Jul 1999 09:37:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 09:37:50 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: From: David Kirkdorffer To: "'David Myers'" , Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: backing solo performances Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 09:22:10 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2524.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <"-Q2Zd2.0.t03.HEWWt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6794 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I think as long as there's an engaging and real performance in process, any "backing" sonics/visuals can be contextually very supportive. But, the moment that the canned accompaniment become too much of the centre or thru-line focus, then it detracts from the performer and the performmance, as it undoes the necessity of his/her presence at all. david k From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jul 6 09:55:26 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA16937; Tue, 6 Jul 1999 09:55:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 09:55:26 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <37820972.34DBB1CC@node.net> Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 09:49:39 -0400 From: James Keepnews Reply-To: keepnews@node.net Organization: * - node - * X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: VST? References: <199907030606.CAA21450@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"i2fRx3.0.Ds3.-ZWWt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6795 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > >On the topic of VST, has anyone here yet tried out Cycling 74's "Pluggo"? > >Sounds too good to be true, 74 extreme VST plugins for $74. Let's see some > >comment! > > > >http://www.cycling74 > > I've had it for a few weeks now, and I've been too busy to give more than a > cursory look at the plugs, but there is some very interesting stuff there! > Def. worth the $74 if you have a VST capable app, esp considering that > David Z is planning on posting new plug-ins monthly. Also it's pretty > inspiring to me to see what can be done with MAX/MSP, which I am in the > process of learning when I get more time. I had the opportunity to see/hear Mr. Z. demonstrate pluggo in advance of its release a few weeks back in NYC; you and I had better come up with a new definition of "true" as pluggo is genuinely too good. He did things to the recorded work of Carole King via pluggo that her "people" would almost certainly not take a shine to but a range of individuals from Karlheinz Stockhausen to Negativland might well do (Ms. King, should there be any doubt on the issue, makes me all shiny under any/every circumstance...). The advantages of pluggo: 1.) Signal processing in the digital audio/microprocessor realm -- this opens up considerable FX options beyond the standard waveform modulation (chorus/flange/phaser/filtering)/distortion/pitch-shift continuum most commercial processors have exhausted eardrums with for a generation (not delay, though, _obviously_...and, to reiterate a previous post of mine, MAX/MSP is the looper's best friend they never knew they had before they bought a Mac G3...). Latency in this realm can be bothersome, but it's not at all like what you get tracking a synth with a guitar, for example. 2.) The possibility of creating your own pluggo plug-ins. Yes, you, too can join your friends and neighbors in the homebrew processing craze that's sweeping a nation of shut-ins -- provided you have MAX/MSP, you can export your favorite means of handcrafted vibrational persuasion to the VST realm. 3.) When was the last time you got a single-duty stomp box for $1 (US)? Multiply that by 74 and add some other duties to that single and feel them cilia tingle. Can't stop/Get-it-get-it/Won't stop/Get-it-get-it... ----------------------------------------------------------------- ~ > --- James Keepnews --- < "Don't quote anybody, Sir!" (.-.) > -- Multimedia Yahoo -- < \ * -- Krishnamurti - > - keepnews@node.net - < ----------------------------------------------------------------- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jul 6 10:13:14 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA19417; Tue, 6 Jul 1999 10:13:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 10:13:14 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <37821B71.41F4AB7@mailbox.syr.edu> Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 10:06:27 -0500 From: Mark Sottilaro Reply-To: msottila@mailbox.syr.edu X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: backing solo performances/Cheating References: <19990705165110.9872.rocketmail@attach1.rocketmail.com> <3781AC2F.5E3F5159@in2win.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"EBpzz2.0.mR4.UpWWt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6796 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hey, As a solo or duo performer that relies on silicone for band mates, I've realized how important it is to add a visual element to a performance. Let's face it, to non musicians a performance with nothing to watch just isn't that interesting. I think that the subtleties of improv go right by most folks. Luckily, I cut my teeth working for the Queen of Multimedia, Laurie Anderson, and that woman knows how to spice up a sequence spewing from a synclavier. What I've been doing to augment my "button pushing" (I'm a guitarist with lots of stuff to step on and tweak) is to use either my midi guitar, a Roland Octapad or keyboard (often playing a sequence of which I'm syncing to) to trigger digital video off a Macintosh. The program is called Xpose and all you need is a midi card of some kind (Opcode Midi Translator, in my case) a PowerMac with Video out (If you don't have video out, the card will cost you $200 [Xclaim VR 128] and will accelerate 2 and 3d graphics as well) and some sort of monitor or projector. The program is silly simple to use, and although it dumbs down all your video to either 8 or 16 bit, the results are pretty good. There's also a program for the PC made by some Austrians called Varp. Is this the "cage dancer" of the computer age? Digital colored water and oil? Maybe, but let me tell you: It works. I've found people are a lot more receptive to genres of music they're not familiar with when there's a visual component. Mark Sottilaro http://web.syr.edu/~msottila From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jul 6 11:08:38 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA29233; Tue, 6 Jul 1999 11:08:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 11:08:38 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Phaedebk@aol.com Message-ID: <458de424.24b3721d@aol.com> Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 10:52:13 EDT Subject: Re: possibly lame question To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 4 Resent-Message-ID: <"_eYv21.0.m36.ZXXWt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6797 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hellay there, This is a bit on the late side, but seriously look into power strips/surge protectors that are for computer equipment, such as Tripp Lite... I'm not sure if the namebrand changes over there in Great Britian or not, but they're really happening on this side of the fence. Also, if you are running a power conditioner to power strips or other power conditioners, remember that each one in series places a bigger, nastier load than just running the surge protector/power strip to the power conditioner. Hope this helps out, Lee-ohki. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jul 6 11:44:26 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA03635; Tue, 6 Jul 1999 11:44:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 11:44:26 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Phaedebk@aol.com Message-ID: <94ddd72b.24b37924@aol.com> Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 11:22:12 EDT Subject: Re: why wall warts? To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 4 Resent-Message-ID: <"Dw2V93.0._k7.HzXWt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6799 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 7/4/99 2:37:04 AM Eastern Daylight Time, kflint@annihilist.com writes: What was that? Bow my head to the great Demon-God Gates of the plane Microsoft? OK, where's that e450, and the Solaris 2.6 disk I need as a sacrifice? Lee-ohki. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jul 6 11:36:56 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA02074; Tue, 6 Jul 1999 11:36:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 11:36:56 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <37821F91.53AE3727@node.net> Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 11:24:02 -0400 From: James Keepnews Reply-To: keepnews@node.net Organization: * - node - * X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com CC: johnny@node.net, rwc@kagi.com Subject: Re: Vidvox Quicktime Video Looper Release References: <199907060714.DAA28771@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"BXMTD1.0.lj7.syXWt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6798 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Dearies: My beautiful soul brother #1 Johnny DeKam and his long-distance partner, Russell Clarke, are happy to announce the public alpha release of their child, VidVox Prophet, a software-based application for real-time processing (and looping, thank you) of Quicktime video. Operating on the Mac platform (Windows versions are being investigated...who can say why...) using Opcode's OMS MIDI instrument matrix, VidVox Prophet uses MIDI to control Quicktime in a variety of ways both exclusive to Quicktime (e.g., proprietary fx) and not (features like forwards, backwards and -- something I'd love to hear in an audio looper -- "palindrome" looping). No reason for us loopers to limit ourselves to audio looping exclusively, no? Nooooo...This public alpha release is free to download at: http://vidvox.net. Pass it on. ----------------------------------------------------------------- ~ > --- James Keepnews --- < "Don't quote anybody, Sir!" (.-.) > -- Multimedia Yahoo -- < \ * -- Krishnamurti - > - keepnews@node.net - < ----------------------------------------------------------------- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jul 6 12:56:32 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA15908; Tue, 6 Jul 1999 12:56:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 12:56:32 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199907061631.MAA11464@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Subject: Re: backing solo performances Date: Tue, 6 Jul 99 09:30:23 -0700 x-sender: matt@mail1.xoom.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0, March 15, 1997 From: Matt Peterson To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <"AkaYG.0.Ds2.kzYWt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6800 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I'll vouch for you on that! As a keyboard/organ player myself, I will try to setup close to the edge of a stage or skewed sideways. On shows where I can only be viewed from the front, and people can only see our band logo on the front of my Hammond, I never get any excited fans talking to me after the show, but when they get to see my hands I always get folks asking about my playing style. Of course, the Hammond doesn't have intestines flowing out of it, but it is getting a bit wiry now that I have an EDP sitting on top (no public performances of the looping Hammond yet). Matt 7/5/99 9:51 AM Rev. Doubt-Goat (dgoat@rocketmail.com) wrote: >Ok, here's my current bit 'o prejudices: keyboardists >who set up facing the audience (i.e. you can't see >their hands, just the back of their keyboards with >all of the wires hanging down like electronic >intestines) and solo turntablists. Matt Peterson Project Manager, Media Services XOOM.com, Inc. 300 Montgomery St., 3rd Floor San Francisco CA 94104 415-288-2505 FAX: 415-288-2575 matt@xoom.com NASDAQ: XMCM From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jul 6 15:19:52 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA06080; Tue, 6 Jul 1999 15:19:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 15:19:52 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990706184613.13661.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [206.129.243.247] From: Dan Bartell To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Sad Sad Sad News Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 11:46:13 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"7L0f42.0.UQ.byaWt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6801 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Here is a message I got recently, YEESH!! Subject: URGENT/SY GEAR STOLEN!From: krakkak@aol.com (Krak kak) Date: Sun, 04 July 1999 03:46 PM EDT Message-id: <19990704154604.05646.00005787@ng-fh1.aol.com>URGENT/SY GEAR STOLEN! july 4 1999LA/Orange County Hello all, this is Lee from Sonic Youth here, we have had a fucked upsituation come down on us over this last night--a brand new Ryder truck parked at a Ramada Inn in Orange County with ALL OF OUR GEAR IN IT was STOLEN!  All ofour guitars, tools, amplifiers, drums, synth -- EVERYTHING.  We are fucked, both for the show tonight at the "This Ain't No Picnic" here in Orange Co., andfor shows upcoming this week in Austin and Santa Fe.  Our guitars are all mostly older and either very modified and/or fucked up/beat up.  They areunmistakably ours, as are some of the amps, including my own 60s Fender Concert with the red/blue/yellow "Jasper Johns-style" target on it. We are asking ANYONE with ANY INFORMATION about this to get in touch with usas soon as possible by calling our man Aaron Blitzstein in New York City at 212.343.2314, or via email to "Mascaras66@aol.com".  Call collect if youwant to.  Please no pranks, all, this is really serious--all the gear we've usedto write our last few LPs worth of stuff, instruments used for songs old andnew which if truly lost will mean those songs will be lost forever. Help us out if you can, there will be a reward for any info, I'm sure.  Allour road cases, etc, are fully marked up with our name on them, the gtrs are so unusual that they won't really be too hard to mistake.  ANY info at all willbe appreciated. If the thieves themselves read this, I'm sure we'd rather buy the stuff back from you than lose it forever (you fukkerz).here are some descriptions of gear:\ drums: green satin flame 60s Gretch kit (w "paisley" glow in dark kik head Fender ToneMaster head and 4x12 cabinet Fender blackface Concert (4x10) w "Target design" spraypainted on front PeeVey RoadMaster HeadMarshal 4x12 cab Mesa Boogie 400+ bass head/4x10 cab/18" cab Fender Bassman head (two!)/ 2x12 fender cabFender presicion Bass Gibson Les Paul Jr w snoopy sticker Fender Jazzmasters and Jaguars--lots of 'em, mostly modified to hell (orig electronix pulled, diff p/u's etc) and usually way beat up. Travis Beans--1 koa wood, one red beat to shit White roadcase/briefcase full of gtr tools we will post more equip info later...  thanks in advance for any help... PLEASE PASS THIS LIST ON TO ANYONE WHO MIGHT BE OF HELP!   ---Lee/Sonic Youth _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jul 6 18:38:55 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA08266; Tue, 6 Jul 1999 18:38:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 18:38:55 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199907062221.SAA03939@smtp4.mindspring.com> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 18:28:28 -0400 Subject: Re: backing solo performances From: "Christopher White" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"atgQp1.0.WF1.16eWt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6803 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com AMEN! ---------- >From: ld thomson >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Subject: RE: backing solo performances >Date: Tue, Jul 6, 1999, 5:45 PM > >I've used a Roland MC 303 groove box for drums/sequences since Jan 98 when I >trouble making drummer needed to be replaced...and its worked fine. No >one's ever complained about it. Surprised by it perhaps. Then I grew up in >Toronto as a teenager who was amazed by NASH THE SLASH, electric violinist >who's live solo performances were supported by a battery of old analog >stuff, drum machines and Crumar Multiman bass pedals. so it makes sense to >me. If what you do sucks it won't matter whether you have an beatbox or an >orchestra. > > >>From: David Kirkdorffer >>Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >>To: "'David Myers'" , >>Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >>Subject: RE: backing solo performances >>Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 09:22:10 -0400 >> >>I think as long as there's an engaging and real performance in process, any >>"backing" sonics/visuals can be contextually very supportive. >> >>But, the moment that the canned accompaniment become too much of the centre >>or thru-line focus, then it detracts from the performer and the >>performmance, as it undoes the necessity of his/her presence at all. >> >>david k >> >> > > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jul 6 18:47:46 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA10049; Tue, 6 Jul 1999 18:47:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 18:47:46 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 18:25:53 EDT Subject: Re: why wall warts? To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0.i for Windows 95 sub 134 Resent-Message-ID: <"jQvhi2.0.HU1.eAeWt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6804 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 05/07/99 11:14:55 GMT Daylight Time, kflint@annihilist.com writes: > Designing clean internal supplies is not that expensive, > and not that hard. Guess the guy who designed the original EH's wasn't up to this, I have an original 'Clone Theory' ( Mains power chorus). This has lots of hum. Andy Butler From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jul 6 20:04:21 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA23417; Tue, 6 Jul 1999 20:04:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 20:04:21 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <2148EC143F29D1118BE000805FC13CD0DB5644@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: possibly lame question Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 19:27:56 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Resent-Message-ID: <"DGe7P1.0.lE4.O6fWt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6805 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com thanks to all who gave suggestions! stig From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jul 6 20:36:20 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA28829; Tue, 6 Jul 1999 20:36:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 20:36:20 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 20:01:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Unit Circle Media To: "INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Subject: Re: Headrush/Space Station review In-Reply-To: <199907041640_MC2-7BCA-D7D3@compuserve.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"uec9G1.0.Da5.fZfWt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6806 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Nope. Kevin Goldsmith kevin@unitcircle.com Unit Circle Media http://www.unitcircle.com/ On Sun, 4 Jul 1999, Andreas Willers wrote: > > Does the headrush do reverse delays and/or sped up/slowed down stuff? > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jul 7 00:02:02 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA30134; Wed, 7 Jul 1999 00:02:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 00:02:02 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 23:17:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Tara Key Sender: tk10@columbia.edu To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: west coast folk Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"ipmic.0.Gl5.jRiWt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6807 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I have been asked on behalf of my pal robert dennis here in NYC to inform the west coast looping crowd of a show of interest. I can guarantee seeing Mr. Dennis (anticlockwise) is a delight--Boomerang, turntables and mad scientist mayhem. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- bay area infomercial - looper's delight! ultra-rare sf sighting: anticlockwise - 10:30 (robert of tono-bungay; styling solo/improv/uglient) with bomb wells fargo - 9:30 sounds of the barbary coast - 11:30 weds july 14 edinburgh castle 950 geary st san francisco From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jul 7 01:15:52 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA13223; Wed, 7 Jul 1999 01:15:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 01:15:52 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: HedInjur@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 00:39:06 EDT Subject: looking for a Jamman To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 4 Resent-Message-ID: <"iO3y.0.Ov1.fejWt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6808 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I am looking into getting a Lexicon Jamman. If you could help me out with getting one, please email me. My address is: Hedinjur@aol.com Thanks, Timothy Hettinger From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jul 7 04:27:06 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA08445; Wed, 7 Jul 1999 04:27:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 04:27:06 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <378309EB.9E88AB14@sfsu.edu> Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 01:03:55 -0700 From: Matt Davignon X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: west coast folk References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"QPYsT.0.bR1.UfmWt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6809 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com OOh, that sounds cool! How much is admission? matt Tara Key wrote: > I have been asked on behalf of my pal robert dennis here in NYC to inform > the west coast looping crowd of a show of interest. I can guarantee seeing > Mr. Dennis (anticlockwise) is a delight--Boomerang, turntables and mad > scientist mayhem. > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > > bay area infomercial - looper's delight! > > ultra-rare sf sighting: > > anticlockwise - 10:30 > (robert of tono-bungay; styling solo/improv/uglient) > > with > > bomb wells fargo - 9:30 > sounds of the barbary coast - 11:30 > > weds july 14 > > edinburgh castle > 950 geary st san francisco From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jul 7 12:44:45 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA11692; Wed, 7 Jul 1999 12:44:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 12:44:45 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <009701bec893$57d5ce10$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: "Mike Biffle" Cc: Subject: test mail Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 11:11:16 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"op97C1.0.u-1.zutWt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6810 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is a test mail message for Miko. >There's also something weird going on in my mailer with the reply addressing >which I'm hoping to test with this message. If someone could reply to me as well >as the Loopers Delight list (in a single message) I'd be able to find out if >messages will really make it back to me... Here ya' go! Dennis Leas ----------------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jul 7 13:27:50 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA20313; Wed, 7 Jul 1999 13:27:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 13:27:50 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <003901bec89b$fa810c80$8622dacf@sgoodman> Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: "Mike Biffle" Cc: References: <009701bec893$57d5ce10$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> Subject: Re: test mail Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 10:13:05 -0700 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Resent-Message-ID: <"7sfz8.0.hG4.4iuWt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6811 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Test.. "Echo! Echo!" :) Stephen Goodman * It's the Loop of the Week! EarthLight Productions * http://www.earthlight.net ----- Original Message ----- From: Dennis W. Leas To: Mike Biffle Cc: Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 1999 9:11 AM Subject: test mail > This is a test mail message for Miko. > > >There's also something weird going on in my mailer with the reply > addressing > >which I'm hoping to test with this message. If someone could reply to me as > well > >as the Loopers Delight list (in a single message) I'd be able to find out > if > >messages will really make it back to me... > > Here ya' go! > > Dennis Leas > ----------------------------- > dennis@mdbs.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jul 7 15:49:53 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA27296; Wed, 7 Jul 1999 15:49:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 15:49:53 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3783AE13.1A0D@club-internet.fr> Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 21:44:19 +0200 From: PERILLE Reply-To: perille@club-internet.fr X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 [fr]C-CLUB (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ofer_lehr@hotmail.com CC: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: DJRND2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"vc6jt.0.o76.nswWt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6812 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Ofer Lehr wrote: > what is important to me is that i would be able to work > very intuitivly with it and i am less interested in advanced > sound editing features, very high sound quality or the possibility > to play too many loops together. > anyway, i dont know a lot about the subject and i would be very happy > to have some advice from you, if yould like to. > i would like to hear more about the DJRND2. do you really make it > yourself ? please tell me about it. > Intuitive to play with and no editing mode, these are some interesting points. Existing DJ samplers that you can buy on the market right now still require some preparation for your set of loops before to use it on live. You definitely can't sample and play loops simultaneously because existing samplers, even the biggest, are designed following to the same archaic method : recording time-samples here and there to sew them each other afterwards by using MIDI or what else. Just have a look on ads : They promise you can use their samplers on live ... yes ! press start playing your pre-recorded sequence and that's all ! Ok ! YAMAHA for instance have made some stuffs with which you can turn and switch real time effects on the samples being played back (SU-700), but you still require preparation anyway to 'swallow' your samples into the machine before anything else, and they all still do it in the same old way : - press START REC - press STOP REC - goto EDITING MODE - try to find out the A and B points in your sample to loop correctly - then 'Ok ! it seems to sound good' - then, redefine a new global tempo for a same set of loops - and START REC a sequence (MIDI) - play something on your triggering keyboard (Ouch ! I can't press my drums loops exactly o'clock each others) - stop REC ... And then, when comes out the very moment, you just press START for you demo in front of the audience. Wellknown manufacturers still see this way. Sometimes, I am wondering if they don't really want it as they know they could do much better pruducts, because they seem to cook always the same meal again and again : Do they think we are stupid users that are unable to think in a different way ? They must think we are too much stupid to get better right now, and this is probably why it is very hard to touch these wellknown manufacturers. But back to the subject : If you need intuitive way of use with no need of editing mode or sequence programmation, the DJRND2 could suit you. The only axiom to use it is to set the exact tempo of what is going to be recorded BEFORE you start recording, and that's all ! No editing mode anymore, loops are perfectly recording in the beat. The DJRND2 do not require any sequencer, since loops always keep on spinning round each others in a commun beat. You must be sure of the tempo : for that purpose, you have a TAP TEMPO followed by a second step which is called TRIM TEMPO where you fine the BPM with the trimmer as you can hear it simultaneously in your headphones : accuracy around 0.1 BPM reachable in a few seconds once used with it. Then you can record your first loop or sync your existing loops on your source before recording a new loop. Loops are all stereo, a loop = a layer. A realtime beat countdown is displayed during your recording so you can check if it is o'clock in the BPM. You can couple up loops during recording : REC key shows 'TRAC', press the loop key to record, then appears the beat countdown. You can anticipate the next loop to record immediately after the loop being recorded by pressing SEL followed by the next loop key. The recording time is automatic in function of the loop beat number. This is a first senario to obtain loops quickly. There is no MIDI since the device is purely audio, usable on live in a total intuitive way. There is no HD back up since you can re-sample loops very quickly in a perfect way on a single shot. You can also fine loops juxtaposition afterwards by using BACK and FORW keys so your loops are definitely well fit each-other in terms of beat coincidence. And the fact that you can mix the 14 stereo loops all together gives you the freedom to use all the possible 16383 combinasons of loop mixing at any time. The DJRND2 is really usable on live starting from nothing except the source itself to loop. Loop recording occurs while the loops keep on spinnig back. Loops are never triggered : they are just muted on or off in the mix, which is much easier. You can use the BACK and FORW key to improvise beat break simulations and repetitions : quite funny. Really, the DJRND2 is a very funny and discret device to use on live. DJRND2 is for DJ Round sampler, version 2. Hardware and imbedded software as the device functionalities have been totaly developped on my own. Inside, there are two epoxy PCBS, the one carrying the keys and leds, the other the components. There is no flying wire in it. Potentiometers are from ALPS, switches from ITT SHADOWS, the steelen package stacking upon four rubber cones in order to smoothen keypresses. Dimensions : 260x90x225 mm3 I had an opportunity to use it on live a few days ago during the last Gay-Pride in PARIS. I was looping on a truck beside a DJ playing his records to let people dance in the street. The test was very funny and discret : I do not know if people have seen the difference during record/loops crossfades. Funny it was also when I looped someone in the street who spoke on the mike for someone to meet. It seemed as it was printed in the mix. The DJ himself sometimes told me I was too much looping. Looping, looping ! I'm fool of that ! You can use it as an effect on live or as a remixer at home where you have much time to fine beat juxtaposition concerning heterogenous looped sources (Charles Trenet with Donald D and whatever else). But it remains very efficient on the scene just to make several loops of what is being played back. Restarting the device for a new song is easy : press REC and SEL keys together, all the loops are immediately cleaned, the tempo is kept. The DJRND2 recording method is unique in the world as far as I know. One of the first DJ sampler was the REMIX16 of AKAI in 1995. Then came out the S20 (which is the same product made in a plastic package). AMKO came out with their DJS-1 (Belgium). Then came up the ZOOM ST-224 (some effects are interesting to me in this product). You have also the SP-202 from BOSS (ROLAND). You know, I am the first user of my homemade devices. Do you think I could exchange mine with one of these products even if some of them are more cheaper ? I have reached a certain amount of experience in the use of BPM looping, and this is one of the reasons I could have my looping method patented. As I told you just before, I feel I come out to soon in comparison with the other existing products, but I still hold on. Just tell me if you are interested in check out a device. Emmanuel PERILLE From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jul 7 19:57:33 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA05859; Wed, 7 Jul 1999 19:57:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 19:57:33 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: PMimlitsch@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 19:51:15 EDT Subject: Adelante/Forlano Fishing To: taptalk@progrock.net, Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, philly_ambient@listbot.com, stickwire-l@majordomo.netcom.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0.1 for Mac sub 84 Resent-Message-ID: <"6jFiP.0.nE1.sX-Wt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6813 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat. July 10th. 8:00pm - closing. "Adelante" at "The Lion Fish Coffeehouse", 2nd./SpringGarden Sts., Philadelphia. (215) 829-9103. A dual performance with David Forlano (Solo Improvised Guitar) opening. http://members.aol.com/jodanpaul/adelante.html/>> From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jul 7 21:26:04 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA20701; Wed, 7 Jul 1999 21:26:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 21:26:04 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <000003F7.eval@svg.com> Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 21:19:38 -0500 To: MBiffle@svg.com (Mike Biffle) From: Patrick Smith Subject: Re: (CT) 75 sec project... Cc: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Resent-Message-ID: <"jsAch2.0.Ow4.Bs_Wt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6814 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Miko, there's your test message.... patrick >Hello 75 second gang! > >Due to the company I work for being purchased by another, my email address >has >now changed to: MBiffle@svg.com... > >There's also something weird going on in my mailer with the reply addressing >which I'm hoping to test with this message. If someone could reply to me >as well >as the Loopers Delight list (in a single message) I'd be able to find out if >messages will really make it back to me... > >Thanks! >-Miko Fingerpaint's New Release: IN THE LOOP ... an intelligent, stimulating mixture of mimimaist spacebeats and obscure samples layered upon a hypnotic illbient backdrop. DIGITAL ARTIFACT # 12 http://www.fingerpaint.net From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jul 7 21:42:13 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA23867; Wed, 7 Jul 1999 21:42:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 21:42:13 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990708013801.12375.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [165.227.130.222] From: David Potter To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: test mail Are you out there?????? Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 18:37:57 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"tgdkp2.0.Xg5.m40Xt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6815 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi Dennis, Miko is a friend of mine and crazed looper here in Santa Cruz Ca.He has helped me alot with my loopyography...I need more help...I need to have the manuels electronically fused in my head....I just want to play...Miko's on my case to get deep into it... oh alright....I'm using a echoplex dig. pro, vortex,jamman,GT5 and GR30 thru mostly my Godin guitar and some keyboard-synth....back to the manuel Om and more Papa Dave >From: "Dennis W. Leas" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >To: "Mike Biffle" >CC: >Subject: test mail >Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 11:11:16 -0500 > >This is a test mail message for Miko. > > >There's also something weird going on in my mailer with the reply >addressing > >which I'm hoping to test with this message. If someone could reply to me >as >well > >as the Loopers Delight list (in a single message) I'd be able to find out >if > >messages will really make it back to me... > >Here ya' go! > >Dennis Leas >----------------------------- >dennis@mdbs.com > > > _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jul 7 22:04:29 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA28460; Wed, 7 Jul 1999 22:04:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 22:04:29 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990708014615.66721.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [165.227.130.222] From: David Potter To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: (CT) 75 sec project... Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 18:46:15 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"U7Mkt1.0.Y46.MC0Xt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6816 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi Miko, What's up? I'm delving deeper into looping madness and am being devoured and enjoying every minute...Yes I'm reading the Manuels...ug and Om Swaha my friend....Sampod says Yo!!! ...later Papa Dave >From: Patrick Smith >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >To: MBiffle@svg.com (Mike Biffle) >CC: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Subject: Re: (CT) 75 sec project... >Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 21:19:38 -0500 > >Miko, > >there's your test message.... > >patrick > > >Hello 75 second gang! > > > >Due to the company I work for being purchased by another, my email >address > >has > >now changed to: MBiffle@svg.com... > > > >There's also something weird going on in my mailer with the reply >addressing > >which I'm hoping to test with this message. If someone could reply to me > >as well > >as the Loopers Delight list (in a single message) I'd be able to find out >if > >messages will really make it back to me... > > > >Thanks! > >-Miko > > Fingerpaint's New Release: > > IN THE LOOP > > ... an intelligent, stimulating mixture of mimimaist spacebeats and > obscure samples layered upon a hypnotic illbient backdrop. > > DIGITAL ARTIFACT # 12 > > http://www.fingerpaint.net > > _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jul 8 01:01:44 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA27617; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 01:01:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 01:01:44 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <378417F3.78D091BB@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 23:16:04 -0400 From: theorcolus Reply-To: theorcolus@earthlink.net Organization: 144 MUSIC X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re:Headrush References: <199907050708.DAA16455@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"wS8uA3.0.s62.fW1Xt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6817 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Loopers-Delight-d-request@annihilist.com wrote: > Subject: > > Loopers-Delight-d Digest Volume 99 : Issue 275 > > Today's Topics: > Re: Headrush/Space Station review [ Hawkeye255@aol.com ] > > Administrivia: > Looper's Delight > **************** > > Please send posts to: > > Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > > Don't send them to the digest! > > To subscribe/unsubscribe to the Loopers-Delight digest version, send email > with "subscribe" (or "unsubscribe") in both the subject and the body, with no > signature files, to: > > Loopers-Delight-d-request@annihilist.com > > To subscribe/unsubscribe to the real Loopers-Delight list, send email > with "subscribe" (or "unsubscribe") in both the subject and the body, with no > signature files, to: > > Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > > Check the web page for archives and lots of other goodies! > > http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html > > Your humble list maintainer, > > Kim Flint > kflint@annihilist.com > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: Re: Headrush/Space Station review > Date: Sun, 4 Jul 1999 23:42:08 EDT > From: Hawkeye255@aol.com > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > > I disagree with the previous assesment of the Headrush (I don't remember by > whom). I like it a lot as a looper. BTW: it has 12 seconds of loops with > overdub, not 5.9, and about 24 total without overdubs. And I have owned an > EDP. The Akai has a very clean sound, unlike the 'rang and, to my ears, even > a little better than the EDP. No it doesn't reverse, or slow down, but I > have samplers for that. The feature I'm using most now that I've had it a > month is the normal delay with adjustable feedback. Almost 24 seconds of > infinite layers with those gradual fades are really working with what I'm > trying to do. > > my two cents, > Bill 'hawkeye' I agree with Bill. I also have not really heard any clicking when I use the footswitch. David C Gross "a great musician needs to be committed!" www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Venue/7773/ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jul 8 05:39:22 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA04698; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 05:39:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 05:39:22 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3783AE13.1A0D@club-internet.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 02:04:20 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: DJRND2 Resent-Message-ID: <"VPW1o1.0.9u7.mb6Xt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6818 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 12:44 PM -0700 7/7/99, PERILLE wrote: >The DJRND2 recording method is unique in the world as far as I know. > >One of the first DJ sampler was the REMIX16 of AKAI in 1995. Remix16 was actually introduced in early 1997..... >Then came >out the S20 (which is the same product made in a plastic package). AMKO >came out with their DJS-1 (Belgium). Then came up the ZOOM ST-224 (some >effects are interesting to me in this product). You have also the SP-202 >from BOSS (ROLAND). well, before we re-write history, both the Lexicon Jamman ('94) and the Oberheim Echoplex ('95) were being used by dj's long before any of these existed. Boomerang came in '96, and maybe some dj's used it too? (I don't know.) And the Paradis LoopDelay was even earlier in '93 (and other devices were earlier), although I've never heard of a dj using one. All these have the live, no-preparation approach that you talk about. When Akai showed up with the Remix16 at '97 winter NAMM, we rather smirked at how behind they were. Their innovation seemed to be a crossfader! :-) In fact, your device still requires more preparation than any of these earlier devices, as the user must know the BPM ahead of time and type it in! For Jamman, echoplex, etc, you don't need to know anything about the source before you start looping it. You just tap the record in time and it's immediately sampled and looping. I don't mean to put you down, you are doing a very cool thing. Just keep the history straight and respect what has come before you! :-) >I have reached a certain amount of experience in the use of BPM looping, >and this is one of the reasons I could have my looping method patented. >As I told you just before, I feel I come out to soon in comparison with >the other existing products, but I still hold on. Well, we know the feeling of coming out too soon. ;-) I'm not sure about your claim for patent. You have some interesting new ideas, certainly! but the basic method of sampling the loop to the BPM is very much like what we invented for the echoplex sync to midi clock in '94. We have the same notion of the loop cycling around to the tempo, so that would likely be prior art. The primary difference is we get the BPM from the midi clock or an analog sync pulse, and you get it from the user entering in on the front panel. And you have some interesting variations with the gear ratio ideas, as opposed to our approach to that with multiply and insert and 8ths/cycle. Otherwise it is quite similar.... Still, keep running with your ideas! I like it..... kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jul 8 06:10:44 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA08611; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 06:10:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 06:10:44 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 05:32:08 EDT Subject: Books/Stockhausen/tapelooper To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0.i for Windows 95 sub 134 Resent-Message-ID: <"VyXoq1.0.Ut.N17Xt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6819 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Stockhausen:Conversations with the composer Johnathan Cott ISBN 0 330 24165 6 contains reference to looping and other tape based techniques. As I remember it KS had a method for 'Frippertronics' using only one tape deck. A tape loop was used, but the order of the tape heads was changed from the usual erase-record-playback to playback-erase-record. So basically he then had a tape delay for the length of the loop, and by using feedback he had a looper. Andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jul 8 11:04:58 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA22115; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 11:04:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 11:04:58 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: m1cha3l@mail.earthlink.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199907080712.DAA17911@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 10:16:16 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Michael Tuminello Subject: so when do we get the EDP news?/reasons to have boomerang AND EDP Resent-Message-ID: <"RrxAN3.0.vy2.y6BXt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6820 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I'm sure everyone is just as twitchy with suspense here as I am. Any idea of when we can expect an announcement on the EDP? Any chance us loop-listers might get a pre-August crack at buying them? Please include a mailing address to send bribe money in your response. MT PS: another question from the impatient: How many good reasons do people have for having both a boomerang and an EDP? Are people using them together? Is the reverse function really worth having a 'rang too? Any other reasons/thoughts on the matter? From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jul 8 12:58:43 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA12883; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 12:58:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 12:58:43 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Reply-To: "m.hughes" From: "Michael P. Hughes, PhD" To: Loopers-Delight Subject: Stage presence Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 17:36:07 -0700 Message-ID: <000301bec9a3$08ba9390$acb6e383@me-biopc-22.mech.surrey.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <199907070706.DAA31410@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-Message-ID: <"MSBPH.0.EA2.TFDXt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6821 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com The Rev. sermonised: > Ok, here's my current bit 'o prejudices: keyboardists > who set up facing the audience (i.e. you can't see > their hands, just the back of their keyboards with > all of the wires hanging down like electronic > intestines) and solo turntablists. These are damn > dull to watch. Look, he's putting on another record > and bobbing his head! Hmmm.... I've not seen these guys live, but on TV most DJ acts come with large numbers of scantily-clad dancers (either gender) to distract attention from them. Keyboards have always been a problem ('less you're Keith Emerson), hence attempts at stage-friendliness like the Roland SH-101. Mark made me (for one) jealous: >As a solo or duo performer that relies on silicone for band mates, I've Ahem... "silicon" not "silicone", unless you ARE hiring cage dancers! > Luckily, I cut my teeth working for the Queen of Multimedia, > Laurie Anderson, and that woman knows how to spice up a > sequence spewing from a synclavier. I am _totally_ envious!!! I'm a huge fan of Laurie Anderson. Her earlier stuff is a great example of spare, brutal looping (I don't know why, "brutal" just seems to fit) eg. most of Big Science (especially "Born, Never Asked".. absolutely beautiful). Later albums are more lush, but still wonderful... how were you involved with her? I'd love to collaborate with someone on the whole "ambient loopmusic backing spoken-word", I just haven't found anyone to do so with... >Is this the "cage dancer" of the computer age? No, cage dancers are the cage dancers of the computer age! ('cept maybe without the cages) >Digital colored water and oil? Maybe, but let me tell you: It works. Hasn't that been around since Pink Floyd in the late 60s? Finally, Kim welcomed: >Hey, welcome back Mike! Good to be back here, Kim! Finished paying off your Klein yet? ;) Mike _____________________________________________________________ Mike Hughes, Ph.D. Tel: (+44) 1483 300800 x2344 Lecturer in Biomedical Engineering, Fax: (+44) 1483 306039 University of Surrey, EMail: m.hughes@surrey.ac.uk Guildford, Surrey, UK www.surrey.ac.uk/MME/Research/BioMed From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jul 8 17:06:14 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA02467; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 17:06:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 17:06:14 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199907082038.NAA05980@scv2.apple.com> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 15:38:13 -0500 Subject: JamMan FS, ebay From: "Travis Hartnett" To: "Looper's Delight" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"dprSZ2.0.C27.KnGXt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6823 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Don't mail me about this: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=128611663 From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jul 8 17:06:14 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA02466; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 17:06:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 17:06:14 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <003101bec980$21dbc380$02585858@timspc> From: "american qabalah" To: References: <000301bec9a3$08ba9390$acb6e383@me-biopc-22.mech.surrey.ac.uk> Subject: Re: Stage presence Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 15:26:15 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: <"sIrXC1.0.pI6._ZGXt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6822 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > >Digital colored water and oil? Maybe, but let me tell you: It works. > Hasn't that been around since Pink Floyd in the late 60s? Um - I think he meant the use of digital animation of psychedelic imagery in public performance, which certainly has not been around since the sixties. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jul 8 18:15:39 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA16677; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 18:15:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 18:15:39 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: PMimlitsch@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 17:50:31 EDT Subject: Adelante/ForlanoCORRECTION To: taptalk@progrock.net, Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, philly_ambient@listbot.com, stickwire-l@majordomo.netcom.com, amorphousgoogleplex@yahoo.com, wilburwhip@juno.com, spaceling@iname.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0.1 for Mac sub 84 Resent-Message-ID: <"Ad_yA3.0.E03.ZsHXt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6824 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com The Adelante/David Forlano gig scheduled for this Sat., July 10th., has been POSTPONED. "The LionFish" is revamping, under new management/ownership(?) and is closing its' doors for the remainder of July for the transition, after which they will re-open sometime in August. All scheduled events, including our gig for Sat July 10 th., will (may?) be re-scheduled for a later date. Apologies for the short notice - it figures I'd get the cancellation news the day after I posted to the list :). Sorry for any inconvenience. Thanks. - Paul PS: All other gigs listed on the "Adelante"/"Continuum" sites are, as of this instant still valid, so if you get a chance, come on out. Thanks. Take Care. <> <> From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jul 8 18:51:42 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA24181; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 18:51:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 18:51:42 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <199907080712.DAA17911@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 18:26:11 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Patrick Smith Subject: Re: so when do we get the EDP news?/reasons to have boomerang AND EDP Resent-Message-ID: <"jWPGM.0.Li4.oOIXt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6825 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com ON 7/8/99 MT wrote: > >PS: another question from the impatient: How many good reasons do people >have for having both a boomerang and an EDP? Are people using them >together? Is the reverse function really worth having a 'rang too? Any >other reasons/thoughts on the matter? Well I've never owned a "rang so i can't say....I enjoy uing both my jam men nd two plexes though. But I want you to know that you can do reverse on the Echoplex. Patrick Fingerpaint's New Release: IN THE LOOP ... an intelligent, stimulating mixture of mimimaist spacebeats and obscure samples layered upon a hypnotic illbient backdrop. DIGITAL ARTIFACT # 12 http://www.fingerpaint.net From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jul 8 22:32:51 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA02726; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 22:32:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 22:32:51 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199907090215.WAA05302@smtp1.mindspring.com> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 22:22:10 -0400 Subject: anyone like to buy a motu 2408? From: "Christopher White" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"LTuL4.0.em7.6jLXt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6826 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com i have an almost brand new motu setup to sell anyone interested ? From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jul 8 23:38:26 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA17394; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 23:38:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 23:38:26 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Kamo5150@aol.com Message-ID: <427bdc5d.24b6c232@aol.com> Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 23:10:42 EDT Subject: SP-808 Groovesampler for Sale To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) sub 2 Resent-Message-ID: <"G_S4f2.0.7Z2.GYMXt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6827 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I have a roland SP-808 Groovesampler in mint condition...original box and manuals for $800 or will trade for a pioneer DJM 500 mixer From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jul 8 23:53:56 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA22472; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 23:53:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 23:53:56 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990709033520.32703.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [165.227.130.6] From: "David Potter" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: anyone like to buy a motu 2408? Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 20:35:19 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"YUHFx.0.n-3.duMXt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6828 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com what's a motu zip lock? >From: "Christopher White" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Subject: anyone like to buy a motu 2408? >Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 22:22:10 -0400 > > > >i have an almost brand new motu setup to sell anyone interested ? > > _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jul 9 00:20:31 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA30228; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 00:20:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 00:20:31 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199907090403.AAA02478@smtp1.mindspring.com> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 00:09:23 -0400 Subject: Re: anyone like to buy a motu 2408? From: "Christopher White" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"wqjgz2.0.N_5.MINXt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6829 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com haha it is a hard disk recording program my love ---------- >From: "David Potter" >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Subject: Re: anyone like to buy a motu 2408? >Date: Thu, Jul 8, 1999, 11:35 PM > > > >what's a motu zip lock? > > >>From: "Christopher White" >>Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >>To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >>Subject: anyone like to buy a motu 2408? >>Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 22:22:10 -0400 >> >> >> >>i have an almost brand new motu setup to sell anyone interested ? >> >> > > >_______________________________________________________________ >Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jul 9 00:46:28 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA06108; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 00:46:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 00:46:28 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 21:11:46 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: fwd: echoplex for sale Resent-Message-ID: <"up1AF.0.eZ6.YPNXt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6830 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com this guy attempted to post but got blocked by the spam blocking. Thought some of you guys might be interested: >Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 14:26:49 -0400 >X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to >Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f >X-From_: kliem@meso.net Thu Jul 8 14:26:47 1999 >X-Sender: kliem@mail.netpoint.de >Mime-Version: 1.0 >Old-Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 20:21:50 +0200 >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >From: krl >Subject: echoplex for sale >X-Diagnostic: Not on the accept list > >echoplex for sale. on power up the display says "LD3 3.0". ram should be 16 >mb (4*4 mb) > >krl (in germany) > >www.meso.net >------------------------------------------------ >boom--tish----boomtish--boom--tish----boomtish-- > ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jul 9 01:20:09 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA13843; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 01:20:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 01:20:09 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 00:06:45 -0700 From: j honaker Subject: unsubscribe To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-id: <002a01bec9d9$9badd6e0$baad3ea6@pavilion> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0027_01BEC99E.EE9F8500" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <"KOX0w3.0.jN2.n7OXt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6831 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0027_01BEC99E.EE9F8500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable unsubscribe ------=_NextPart_000_0027_01BEC99E.EE9F8500 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_0027_01BEC99E.EE9F8500-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jul 9 01:51:59 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA20543; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 01:51:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 01:51:59 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <4.1.19990709002147.00b794f0@mail.winternet.com> X-Sender: r4c@mail.winternet.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 00:30:57 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: "L. Stafford" Subject: Re: so when do we get the EDP news?/reasons to have boomerang AND EDP In-Reply-To: References: <199907080712.DAA17911@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"tl5Ew2.0.Wx3.wYOXt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6832 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >PS: another question from the impatient: How many good reasons do people >have for having both a boomerang and an EDP? Are people using them >together? Is the reverse function really worth having a 'rang too? Any >other reasons/thoughts on the matter? If you need pristine audio quality, the 'rang is not the way to go. That said, I absolutely love the slightly warm digital aliasing/grunge that it has. The only feature it has which the EDP does not, is the "half-speed"/"double-speed" mode, which sounds amazingly gritty and cool when you record a loop and drop it into half-speed mode (i.e. transposes it down an octave). Unfortunately, you must stop playback momentarily to enter the half-speed mode (if you record in half-speed/lo-fi mode it gives you up to 4 mins? of sampling time). The 'rang is a so called "phrase sampler" so it does not have feedback like the delay based EDP does. All in all, the 'rang is very well suited to live applications (I use mine w/ electric violin & cello). Like anything else, play w/ one before you decide to buy it to make sure you like how it sounds (the all important test criteria of any piece of audio gear). IMO the EDP going out of production is a great opportunity for the folks at Boomerang to grab a bigger piece of the looping pie. I hope they take advantage of it by improving their existing products/creating new ones. Lorren Stafford Richard For Cerebellum/A Most Happy Sound http://www.winternet.com/~r4c "We ask ourselves whether truly this is the beginning of a new world or whether perhaps the world...is about to perish. There are people who earnestly and seriously fear this, where music becomes the slave of the machine..." From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jul 9 05:16:31 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA18721; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 05:16:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 05:16:31 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990709002147.00b794f0@mail.winternet.com> References: <199907080712.DAA17911@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 02:12:34 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: so when do we get the EDP news?/reasons to have boomerang AND EDP Resent-Message-ID: <"E3L5-3.0.2P4.WpRXt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6834 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 10:30 PM -0700 7/8/99, L. Stafford wrote: >>PS: another question from the impatient: How many good reasons do people >>have for having both a boomerang and an EDP? Are people using them >>together? Is the reverse function really worth having a 'rang too? Any >>other reasons/thoughts on the matter? >If you need pristine audio quality, the 'rang is not the way to go. That >said, I absolutely love the slightly warm digital aliasing/grunge that it >has. The only feature it has which the EDP does not, is the >"half-speed"/"double-speed" mode, hmmm, not for long.....;-) >which sounds amazingly gritty and cool >when you record a loop and drop it into half-speed mode (i.e. transposes it >down an octave). Unfortunately, you must stop playback momentarily to >enter the half-speed mode yes, I must say, tapping instantaneously in and out of half speed while overdub is on over a reversed, granularly-multiplied loop is way fun.....y'all should try it some time.... >IMO the EDP going out of >production is a great opportunity for the folks at Boomerang to grab a >bigger piece of the looping pie. I hope they take advantage of it by >improving their existing products/creating new ones. not only is the echoplex not going out of production, we be makin' it mo' betta.... kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jul 9 04:59:44 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA16069; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 04:59:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 04:59:44 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 04:14:53 -0400 From: Andreas Willers Subject: so when do we get the EDP news?/reasons to have boomerang AND EDP Sender: Andreas Willers To: "INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Message-ID: <199907090415_MC2-7C6D-8B42@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by rosy.yourwebhost.com id EAA09789 Resent-Message-ID: <"Su3IW2.0.CP2.6_QXt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6833 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com The 'Rang is more straightforward, nicely lofi, very easy to work with etc. The EDP is more complex and has some incredible features like you can switch between several loops, undo overdubs, multiply small phrases while overdubbing etc. and it has some midi things on top of that. Both of them can reverse the loop which is great, the EDP cannot speed up/slow down your phrases which really is a drag. I decide before the gig if & which unit will come along. Since I don't want to lug so much stuff around I'll have to live with the fact that every unit more in the signal chain will downgrade my guitar tone. In my solo pragramm I use the EDP for the more strucural stuff and the Rang to throw in some polymetrical, gritty 8vb/8va (via playback speed) additions for contrast. Since this expands the range and the sound of the instrument it's an important feature to me. At two points in the show I use two worked out independent loops to get some some trippy polyblabla stuff, great fun! Best, Andreas From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jul 9 06:13:53 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA27262; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 06:13:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 06:13:53 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990709100929.21668.qmail@www0b.netaddress.usa.net> Date: 9 Jul 99 03:09:29 PDT From: Dael Franke To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: EDP versus Digitech? X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer () Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by rosy.yourwebhost.com id GAA26577 Resent-Message-ID: <"bSXoK1.0.YV6.hfSXt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6836 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Kim Flint wrote: Not only is the echoplex not going out of production, we be makin' it mo' betta.... Hello, dear Kim. What you are so charmingly being oblique about is the possibility of the next Plex having some time flexibility. I worked with a little Digitech 7.6 loopyloop a few years ago, and the thing I liked most was the ability to create loops, change time by the use of a big old friendly knob (I do so like those) on the front, and layer loops upon loops at all different speeds. A tiny bell can become all the bells in the world tumbling about in the sky on the day the last dictator dies. If the next Plex can't do this, I'll be a sad little loop decaying to silence. If it won't, could you (or anyone) suggest a few loopers that will? Should I just start looking for a used Time Machine? Dael T. Franke ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jul 9 05:55:07 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA24804; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 05:55:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 05:55:07 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990709095007.14408.rocketmail@web129.yahoomail.com> Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 02:50:07 -0700 (PDT) From: John Tidwell Subject: Re: so when do we get the EDP news?/reasons to have boomerang AND EDP To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"w5KFt3.0.Es5.5NSXt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6835 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com --- Kim Flint wrote: > yes, I must say, tapping instantaneously in and out > of half speed while > overdub is on over a reversed, granularly-multiplied > loop is way > fun.....y'all should try it some time.... Oh you tease! Kim, if you're serious, are you talking about an upgrade that will double the delay time at a lower rate or halve the time at a higher rate? I'm borrowing jargon here so excuse me if it's a stupid question! John === John Tidwell _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jul 9 08:10:49 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA11490; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 08:10:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 08:10:49 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19990709080415.00967ca0@unix01.voicenet.com> X-Sender: floyd@unix01.voicenet.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 08:05:15 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Floyd Miller Subject: Re: so when do we get the EDP news?/reasons to have boomerang AND EDP In-Reply-To: References: <4.1.19990709002147.00b794f0@mail.winternet.com> <199907080712.DAA17911@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"ka6Y13.0.Uf2.kMUXt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6837 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 02:12 AM 7/9/99 -0700, Kim Flint wrote: >not only is the echoplex not going out of production, we be makin' it mo' >betta.... Will existing EDP's be mo' betterable through a firmware upgrade? **************** ********** Floyd Miller ****** floyd@voicenet.com **** http://www.voicenet.com/~floyd ** http://www.studiodust.com palace://studiodust.com:9996 From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jul 9 08:50:42 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA18283; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 08:50:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 08:50:42 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 08:37:01 -0400 (EDT) From: billfox@lucent.com (William_B_Fox) Message-Id: <199907091237.IAA02884@badboy.micro.lucent.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: EMUSIC Playlist Resent-Message-ID: <"3TNXl2.0.Yt3.GqUXt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6838 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Playlist for "EMUSIC" "EMUSIC," an electronic, ambient, and space music show, airs each Thursday at 11pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ. http://www.wdiyfm.org/schedule/s_emusic.html Show #122 July 8, 1999. Host: Bill Fox http://www.wdiyfm.org billfox@fast.net On this show, I continued the month-long focus on Steve Roach. Steve is such a prolific composer that his wrok bears repeated attention. The feature CD at midnight was the first disc of Quiet Music, a two disc release on the Fortuna label. Steve Roach : http://www.steveroach.com EMUSIC Focus : http://www.wdiyfm.org/emusic/playlists/focus.html ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== 11:00 pm Ian Boddy Frozen Web Box of Secrets (DiN) TUU & Nick Parkin Magus Terma (Hearts of Space) Saul Stokes Altitude & Architecture Zo Pilots (Hypnos) Telomere Lifecycle Astral Currents (Evenfall) VA [Kiwi] Ambi2 Mind Out (Wandering Aimlessly) Lucia Hwong Celestial Beauty Goddess Awakening Vol. 1 (none) Tim Story A Thousand Whispers Threads (Eurock) Robert Rich Part 6 Inner Landscapes (Hypnos) Steve Roach See Things Quiet Music (Fortuna) 12:00 am Steve Roach Towards the Blue Quiet Music (Fortuna) Steve Roach Something in Tears Quiet Music (Fortuna) Steve Roach A Few More Moments Quiet Music (Fortuna) Steve Roach Air and Light Quiet Music (Fortuna) Steve Roach Dreaming and Sleep * Quiet Music (Fortuna) 1:00 am * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) On the next EMUSIC, I will continue the month-long focus on Steve Roach. This prolific composer is the master of tribal ambient and constantly forges new sonic territory to explore. The Feature CD at Midnight will be Quiet Music on the Fortuna label. Please visit the WDIY web site and navigate through the schedule to the EMUSIC pages. Playlists for every show are there. Hot links to artists and labels can be found in the monthly focus section. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jul 9 10:57:41 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA09524; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 10:57:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 10:57:41 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199907091451.HAA09460@harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 10:50:32 -0400 Subject: Pro Tools From: "David Gross" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"XgWnK1.0.ty1.BoWXt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6841 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Just curious if anybody is using Pro Tools as part of their recording setup. I am interested in using it with a Roland VS 880 EX and was wondering if I needed anything other than the software and my laptop to do mixes. Thanks --- David Gross "a great musician needs to be committed!' www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Venue/7773/ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jul 9 10:46:39 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA06974; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 10:46:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 10:46:39 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199907091438.HAA51134@scv4.apple.com> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 09:38:49 -0500 Subject: Boomerang FS $275, Harmony Central From: "Travis Hartnett" To: "Looper's Delight" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"zvO2.0.0M1.KcWXt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6839 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Don't send me e-mail, use the address at the bottom of the ad: Boomerang Phrase Sampler Asking Price: US$275 Condition: Good Age: N/A Description: Boomerang 4 meg. phrase sampler. Good condition except that the trim knob is bent but works fine. I have 2 so must get rid of one... If you would rather have the other one which is in excellent condition, Ill sale it for 375.00. Both work great. Seller: Zachary, E-mail: zachary@wf.net (Profile) Location: WICHITA FALLS, TX Post Date: 7/8/99 From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jul 9 11:11:09 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA12007; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 11:11:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 11:11:09 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <37860BCC.3B9A@club-internet.fr> Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 16:48:44 +0200 From: PERILLE Reply-To: perille@club-internet.fr X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 [fr]C-CLUB (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: DJRND2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"sWIdm3.0.qk1.cjWXt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6840 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > >Then came > >out the S20 (which is the same product made in a plastic package). AMKO > >came out with their DJS-1 (Belgium). Then came up the ZOOM ST-224 (some > >effects are interesting to me in this product). You have also the SP-202 > >from BOSS (ROLAND). > > well, before we re-write history, both the Lexicon Jamman ('94) and the > Oberheim Echoplex ('95) were being used by dj's long before any of these > existed. Boomerang came in '96, and maybe some dj's used it too? (I don't > know.) And the Paradis LoopDelay was even earlier in '93 (and other devices > were earlier), although I've never heard of a dj using one. All these have > the live, no-preparation approach that you talk about. When Akai showed up > with the Remix16 at '97 winter NAMM, we rather smirked at how behind they > were. Their innovation seemed to be a crossfader! :-) > > In fact, your device still requires more preparation than any of these > earlier devices, as the user must know the BPM ahead of time and type it > in! For Jamman, echoplex, etc, you don't need to know anything about the > source before you start looping it. You just tap the record in time and > it's immediately sampled and looping. > > I don't mean to put you down, you are doing a very cool thing. Just keep > the history straight and respect what has come before you! :-) > For live musicians, A tap record method is certainly sufficient since they can still manage to sync on their own. But a more accurate approach should be usefull for DJs, and this is maybe why existing tiny loopers integrated in DJ mixing tables have not been a big success. A DJ can still make one loop at a time. If he wishes loop polyphony, he still has got a loop a editing phase to do before triggering back his loops. But a BPM based cyclic method lets him work just only with one parameter to keep sync in real time, which is also a more similar approach to his mixing art. > >I have reached a certain amount of experience in the use of BPM looping, > >and this is one of the reasons I could have my looping method patented. > >As I told you just before, I feel I come out to soon in comparison with > >the other existing products, but I still hold on. > > Well, we know the feeling of coming out too soon. ;-) > > I'm not sure about your claim for patent. You have some interesting new > ideas, certainly! but the basic method of sampling the loop to the BPM is > very much like what we invented for the echoplex sync to midi clock in '94. > We have the same notion of the loop cycling around to the tempo, so that > would likely be prior art. The primary difference is we get the BPM from > the midi clock or an analog sync pulse, and you get it from the user > entering in on the front panel. And you have some interesting variations > with the gear ratio ideas, as opposed to our approach to that with multiply > and insert and 8ths/cycle. Otherwise it is quite similar.... > In fact, the methods are lightly different. Using midi clock or an analog sync pulse to determine the loop lenght deals with terms of physical durations, even if it comes out from a BPM based metronome. It is a kind of time quantized method where is counted a number of sync pulses for a loop recording. This also means that the loop to record is still determined with A start and B stop points, the starting point corresponding to the next incoming sync pulse immediatly after the rec keypressed. And then the recorded loop runs with a given sampling rate and a finite number of x(n) samples going from A to B. But a permanent cyclic loop straightly defined in terms of tempo and bars set you free from any need of external sync, and rec start can appear wherever around the wheel, the loop being perfectly made once a whole revolution made. The method works in terms of Omega/phi (Omega = pulsation = tempo) and (Phi = phase = differential bar synchronization), Omega commun to every loop, Phi given for each loop. It is a BPM gearwheels recording machine. No start/end points. Free running in your own beat where you can record at any time during your playback. An eternal and fiendish grooving method which allows BPM changes. Furthermore, polyphony is total whatever the number of loops to mix is. Memory pointer computing is equivalent to only one pointer in real time. > Still, keep running with your ideas! I like it..... > > kim Thank you Kim Emmanuel From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jul 9 12:19:59 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA25869; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 12:19:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 12:19:59 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <37861F7F.4642@voicenet.com> Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 12:12:47 -0400 From: Legion X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.02 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Loopers delight CD#1 reissue - On it's way.... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"JIAPU1.0.Yx5.x-XXt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6842 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Just a quick update on the progress of LD CD#1. I got the test pressing back and it sounds great so I'm going ahead with the first order. Ray will be sending me the covers soon as well so I'm estimating I'll have the complete CD in stock and ready to sell by the end of next week. I'll post full ordering info at that time. Costs will be $12 total including shipping in the US and $13 elsewhere (canada, overseas, etc) (That's $10 for the CD and then the appropriate shipping - where else can you get this much loopage for a ten spot? (Except CD #2 of course!) Proceeds will go straight to Kim Flint for the LD web site. Your purchase helps keep LD banner free! On another note I'll be unsubing from the list and away from my email from this afternoon until Tuesday so if you have anything send it via my account not the list and please be patient. I'm playing the Chicago Neu Muzik Summit for Kultbox records (www.kultbox.com) doing two shows (Sat and sunday night) with a lineup of international electronic freaks and monsters you'll want to hear. My band is Overdrive Date Master and I'll be the guy in the blue jumpsuit with the thermin, digitech loopage, and weird 8rpm record player. Stop by and say hi! - David ----------------------------------------------------------------------- HELP WANTED PRODUCTIONS - Http://www.voicenet.com/~legion "Bringing you the best in Organic Electronic music since we started..." Home of the Unusual Instrument and Recording Gallery with pictures and info of Tube recorders, Omnichords, weird guitars, Casios, and more. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jul 9 12:56:10 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA01223; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 12:56:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 12:56:10 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3786232E.4BE64094@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 09:28:32 -0700 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: so when do we get the EDP news?/reasons to have boomerang ANDEDP References: <199907090415_MC2-7C6D-8B42@compuserve.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"p6w1x3.0.Ei6.CBYXt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6843 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Andreas wrote: > ...I decide before the gig if & which unit will come along. Since I don't > want > to lug so much stuff around I'll have to live with the fact that every unit > more in the signal chain will downgrade my guitar tone. In my solo pragramm > I use the EDP for the more strucural stuff and the Rang to throw in some > polymetrical, gritty 8vb/8va (via playback speed) additions for contrast. > Since this expands the range and the sound of the instrument it's an > important feature to me. At two points in the show I use two worked out > independent loops to get some some trippy polyblabla stuff, great fun... help with nomenclature here? what means 8vb/8va and/or polyblabla? :-) lance g. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jul 9 14:10:23 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA16916; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 14:10:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 14:10:23 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.19990709080415.00967ca0@unix01.voicenet.com> References: <4.1.19990709002147.00b794f0@mail.winternet.com> <199907080712.DAA17911@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 11:04:35 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: so when do we get the EDP news?/reasons to have boomerang AND EDP Resent-Message-ID: <"G1DWL2.0.rl3.GcZXt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6845 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 5:05 AM -0700 7/9/99, Floyd Miller wrote: >At 02:12 AM 7/9/99 -0700, Kim Flint wrote: > >>not only is the echoplex not going out of production, we be makin' it mo' >>betta.... > > >Will existing EDP's be mo' betterable through a firmware upgrade? > yeppers. There aren't any hardware changes going on, just the soft, yet firm variety. In fact, any upgrading we do is independent of activities at Gibson. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jul 9 13:25:50 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA08100; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 13:25:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 13:25:50 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990709171943.49617.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [209.20.12.85] From: "ld thomson" To: bec@murple.com, funtime_aliens@hotmail.com, dasilva_corner@yahoo.com, scrow@interlog.com, macfadyenj@optel.ca, justin.morrison@utoronto.ca, khourigan@rolandca.com, ky_tran@manulife.com, Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, mlemyre@interlog.com, kra@inforamp.net, rforsley@iname.com, rob@murple.com, sol@nbnet.nb.ca, SuzB@compuserve.com, north@pccinternet.com Subject: Fwd: SNOWMELTER LIVE - TUESDAY JULY 20TH @ THE CAMERON HOUSE Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 10:19:42 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"1SiC8.0.Bh1.VzYXt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6844 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com SNOWMELTER LIVE - TUESDAY JULY 20TH @ THE CAMERON HOUSE NEW SONGS, NEW INSTURMENTS, NEW SOUNDS but the same snow melting action! 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SNOMELTER is RICHARD FORSLEY - GUITAR, DEVICES JUSTIN MORRISON - BASS, KEYBASS, VOCALS LORNE THOMSON - VOCALS, GUITAR SYNTHESIZER, BEAT-BOX ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jul 9 14:42:58 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA23908; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 14:42:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 14:42:58 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <19990709100929.21668.qmail@www0b.netaddress.usa.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 11:23:56 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: EDP versus Digitech? Resent-Message-ID: <"cbiU83.0.7s4.kvZXt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6847 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 3:09 AM -0700 7/9/99, Dael Franke wrote: >Kim Flint wrote: Not only is the echoplex not going out of production, we be >makin' it mo' betta.... > >Hello, dear Kim. What you are so charmingly being oblique about is the >possibility of the next Plex having some time flexibility. I worked with a >little Digitech 7.6 loopyloop a few years ago, and the thing I liked most was >the ability to create loops, change time by the use of a big old friendly knob >(I do so like those) on the front, and layer loops upon loops at all different >speeds. A tiny bell can become all the bells in the world tumbling about in >the sky on the day the last dictator dies. If the next Plex can't do this, >I'll be a sad little loop decaying to silence. ah, the old variable delay time pitch warping thing. yes, that's lots o fun. I'm afraid the current hardware is simply not up to it, and we're updating software at the moment. Half/double time tricks turned out to be real easy, tho. >If it won't, could you (or anyone) suggest a few loopers that will? Should I >just start looking for a used Time Machine? Well, of course you should be looking for a used Time Machine! You should be doing that anyway, if you want any cred around here. The more loopers the merrier, I say! kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jul 9 14:59:16 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA27317; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 14:59:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 14:59:16 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <37860BCC.3B9A@club-internet.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 11:54:35 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: DJRND2 Resent-Message-ID: <"7rVrF2.0.eO6.BLaXt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6848 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 7:48 AM -0700 7/9/99, PERILLE wrote: >> In fact, your device still requires more preparation than any of these >> earlier devices, as the user must know the BPM ahead of time and type it >> in! For Jamman, echoplex, etc, you don't need to know anything about the >> source before you start looping it. You just tap the record in time and >> it's immediately sampled and looping. >> >> I don't mean to put you down, you are doing a very cool thing. Just keep >> the history straight and respect what has come before you! :-) >> > >For live musicians, A tap record method is certainly sufficient since >they can still manage to sync on their own. Sounds like a bit of dis of live musicians, eh? :-) Believe it or not, many live musicians are very demanding about accuracy. Tapped recording can give you excellent results for this, assuming the user has a sense of rhythm. Most dj's I've encountered seem to have an excellent sense of rhythm, so it seems fine to me. >But a more accurate approach should be usefull for DJs, and this is >maybe why existing tiny loopers integrated in DJ mixing tables have not >been a big success. > >A DJ can still make one loop at a time. If he wishes loop polyphony, he >still has got a loop a editing phase to do before triggering back his >loops. But a BPM based cyclic method lets him work just only with one >parameter to keep sync in real time, which is also a more similar >approach to his mixing art. Sure, entering a BPM is useful too, assuming you actually know the BPM ahead of time, and you haven't changed the speed knob on the turntable. (and the turntable is actually calibrated.) My point though, is you are claiming your method as being superior because it does not require preparation. But it does require preparation! You have to know the BPM and enter it ahead of time. This is certainly superior to the idiotic phrase samplers that are built into some dj mixers, but it is not as real-time friendly as a tapped record method. For tapped-record, all you need ahead of time is a decent sense of rhythm. If you don't even have that, OB echoplex and Lexicon Jamman both have sync possibilities to help you get it perfectly accurate. > >> >I have reached a certain amount of experience in the use of BPM looping, >> >and this is one of the reasons I could have my looping method patented. >> >As I told you just before, I feel I come out to soon in comparison with >> >the other existing products, but I still hold on. >> >> Well, we know the feeling of coming out too soon. ;-) >> >> I'm not sure about your claim for patent. You have some interesting new >> ideas, certainly! but the basic method of sampling the loop to the BPM is >> very much like what we invented for the echoplex sync to midi clock in '94. >> We have the same notion of the loop cycling around to the tempo, so that >> would likely be prior art. The primary difference is we get the BPM from >> the midi clock or an analog sync pulse, and you get it from the user >> entering in on the front panel. And you have some interesting variations >> with the gear ratio ideas, as opposed to our approach to that with multiply >> and insert and 8ths/cycle. Otherwise it is quite similar.... >> > >In fact, the methods are lightly different. > >Using midi clock or an analog sync pulse to determine the loop lenght >deals with terms of physical durations, even if it comes out from a BPM >based metronome. It is a kind of time quantized method where is counted >a number of sync pulses for a loop recording. This also means that the >loop to record is still determined with A start and B stop points, the >starting point corresponding to the next incoming sync pulse immediatly >after the rec keypressed. And then the recorded loop runs with a given >sampling rate and a finite number of x(n) samples going from A to B. not necessarily! >But a permanent cyclic loop straightly defined in terms of tempo and >bars set you free from any need of external sync, and rec start can >appear wherever around the wheel, the loop being perfectly made once a >whole revolution made. The method works in terms of Omega/phi (Omega = >pulsation = tempo) and (Phi = phase = differential bar synchronization), >Omega commun to every loop, Phi given for each loop. It is a BPM >gearwheels recording machine. No start/end points. Free running in your >own beat where you can record at any time during your playback. An >eternal and fiendish grooving method which allows BPM changes. Yes, this is what I'm trying to tell you. This is almost exactly how the echoplex works, and we invented this years ago. Of course, we don't force our users to remember angular geometry calculations from their high-school mathematics courses! :-) So our terminology is different, but the method is very similar. (although, I'm ashamed to admit, the current shipping soft has a slightly disabled sync feature, in that we force the record to start at the startpoint of the sync. The underlying software is actually capable of starting anywhere in the cycle and maintaining sync. we kept it like the previous version for, er legal reasons. And it is capable of starting immediately after the sync starts. Since then, we've done a lot more with this....the sync capability in the next version is fucking amazing, if I may be blunt. :-) kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jul 9 14:42:30 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA23777; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 14:42:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 14:42:30 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <19990709095007.14408.rocketmail@web129.yahoomail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 11:11:30 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: so when do we get the EDP news?/reasons to have boomerang AND EDP Resent-Message-ID: <"eTKNO2.0.SA4.3jZXt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6846 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 2:50 AM -0700 7/9/99, John Tidwell wrote: >--- Kim Flint wrote: > >> yes, I must say, tapping instantaneously in and out >> of half speed while >> overdub is on over a reversed, granularly-multiplied >> loop is way >> fun.....y'all should try it some time.... > >Oh you tease! > >Kim, if you're serious, are you talking about an >upgrade that will double the delay time at a lower >rate or halve the time at a higher rate? I'm >borrowing jargon here so excuse me if it's a stupid >question! It sure looks like I'm talking about that, doesn't it? hmmmmmm..... However, I'm really intrigued by that use of the g word. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jul 9 19:01:49 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA12487; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 19:01:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 19:01:49 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <37867C9C.1442@club-internet.fr> Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 00:50:04 +0200 From: PERILLE Reply-To: perille@club-internet.fr X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 [fr]C-CLUB (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: DJRND2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"ttDHx.0.lV2.tmdXt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6849 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > Sure, entering a BPM is useful too, assuming you actually know the BPM > ahead of time, and you haven't changed the speed knob on the turntable. > (and the turntable is actually calibrated.) > > My point though, is you are claiming your method as being superior because > it does not require preparation. But it does require preparation! You have > to know the BPM and enter it ahead of time. This is certainly superior to > the idiotic phrase samplers that are built into some dj mixers, but it is > not as real-time friendly as a tapped record method. For tapped-record, all > you need ahead of time is a decent sense of rhythm. If you don't even have > that, OB echoplex and Lexicon Jamman both have sync possibilities to help > you get it perfectly accurate. > Kim, I would be pleased if we could meet one day to compare the technic with demos Emmanuel From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jul 9 23:18:56 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA21791; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 23:18:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 23:18:56 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199907100312.XAA10501@smtp0.mindspring.com> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 23:18:32 -0400 Subject: Re: anyone like to buy a motu 2408? From: "Christopher White" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"_RlH2.0.p65.sehXt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6851 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com i am trying to decide what a fair price is...825? i love your sound forge stuff by the way i wish you made it for mac. ---------- >From: "Mike" >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Subject: Re: anyone like to buy a motu 2408? >Date: Fri, Jul 9, 1999, 10:45 PM > >How much? > > >Mike Scheibinger >Sound Development Manager >Sonic Foundry >754 Williamson Street >Madison, Wisconsin 53703 >Telephone: (608) 256-3133, extension 2125 >Fax: (608) 256-7300 >Email: mikes@sonicfoundry.com > >CHECK THIS OUT! > >LAGOM: Airginia > > >---------- >>From: "David Potter" >>To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >>Subject: Re: anyone like to buy a motu 2408? >>Date: Thu, Jul 8, 1999, 10:35 PM >> > >>what's a motu zip lock? >> >> >>>From: "Christopher White" >>>Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >>>To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >>>Subject: anyone like to buy a motu 2408? >>>Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 22:22:10 -0400 >>> >>> >>> >>>i have an almost brand new motu setup to sell anyone interested ? >>> >>> >> >> >>_______________________________________________________________ >>Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jul 9 23:48:11 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA26727; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 23:48:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 23:48:11 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <002401beca86$debcdbe0$02585858@timspc> From: "american qabalah" To: Subject: Another newbie EDP question Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 22:47:01 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0021_01BECA5C.F50CA080" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: <"15K_S1.0.mR6.B7iXt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6854 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0021_01BECA5C.F50CA080 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have read that the EDP can store nine different loops. =20 Question: can more than one of these loops play back concurrently? If the answer to this question is yes, my second question is, how does = it handle playing back loops of differing durations? Also, when you overdub onto a loop, does it attenuate the previous sound = on the loop as with the boomerang? Thanks ------=_NextPart_000_0021_01BECA5C.F50CA080 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I have read that the EDP can store nine = different=20 loops. 
 
Question: can more than one of these = loops play=20 back concurrently?
 
If the answer to this question is yes, = my second=20 question is, how does it handle playing back loops of differing=20 durations?
 
Also, when you overdub onto a loop, = does it=20 attenuate the previous sound on the loop as with the = boomerang?
 
Thanks
------=_NextPart_000_0021_01BECA5C.F50CA080-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Jul 10 00:02:46 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA28951; Sat, 10 Jul 1999 00:02:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 00:02:46 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990709210122.0144aca0@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: sean_@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 21:01:22 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Sean Subject: EDP news (was Re: so when do we get the EDP news...) In-Reply-To: <002001beca86$5f62ee20$02585858@timspc> References: <199907080712.DAA17911@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"oZ8DS1.0.qy6.NKiXt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6855 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com no need to apologize. I think kim's use of the granular-multiplication expression is a foreshadowing of future but currently unavailable edp features. and yes kim, we're waiting with baited breath for more tidbits - especially an ETA for the rev. At 10:43 PM 7/9/99 -0500, Tim wrote: >When you say granularly-multiplied do you mean changing the duration of the >loop without changing the pitch? Sorry about the newbie question, I am simply >not down with the lingo. > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jul 9 23:14:49 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA21177; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 23:14:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 23:14:49 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199907100252.VAA00877@supermail.globaldialog.com> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 21:45:54 -0500 Subject: Re: anyone like to buy a motu 2408? From: "Mike" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"OrBNW2.0.2L4.aLhXt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6850 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com How much? Mike Scheibinger Sound Development Manager Sonic Foundry 754 Williamson Street Madison, Wisconsin 53703 Telephone: (608) 256-3133, extension 2125 Fax: (608) 256-7300 Email: mikes@sonicfoundry.com CHECK THIS OUT! LAGOM: Airginia ---------- >From: "David Potter" >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Subject: Re: anyone like to buy a motu 2408? >Date: Thu, Jul 8, 1999, 10:35 PM > >what's a motu zip lock? > > >>From: "Christopher White" >>Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >>To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >>Subject: anyone like to buy a motu 2408? >>Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 22:22:10 -0400 >> >> >> >>i have an almost brand new motu setup to sell anyone interested ? >> >> > > >_______________________________________________________________ >Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jul 9 23:45:09 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA26308; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 23:45:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 23:45:09 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <002001beca86$5f62ee20$02585858@timspc> From: "american qabalah" To: References: <199907080712.DAA17911@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Subject: Re: so when do we get the EDP news?/reasons to have boomerang AND EDP Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 22:43:22 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: <"hbDqG3.0.AE6.r3iXt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6853 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > yes, I must say, tapping instantaneously in and out of half speed while > overdub is on over a reversed, granularly-multiplied loop is way > fun.....y'all should try it some time.... When you say granularly-multiplied do you mean changing the duration of the loop without changing the pitch? Sorry about the newbie question, I am simply not down with the lingo. Tim From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jul 9 23:43:31 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA25818; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 23:43:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 23:43:31 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <001501beca86$0342f220$02585858@timspc> From: "american qabalah" To: References: <37860BCC.3B9A@club-internet.fr> Subject: Re: DJRND2 Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 22:40:52 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: <"tcCN03.0.a46.R1iXt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6852 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > But a permanent cyclic loop straightly defined in terms of tempo and > bars set you free from any need of external sync, and rec start can > appear wherever around the wheel, the loop being perfectly made once a > whole revolution made. The method works in terms of Omega/phi (Omega = > pulsation = tempo) and (Phi = phase = differential bar synchronization), > Omega commun to every loop, Phi given for each loop. It is a BPM > gearwheels recording machine. No start/end points. Free running in your > own beat where you can record at any time during your playback. An > eternal and fiendish grooving method which allows BPM changes. I think I get the eternal gearwheel groove machine part and it sounds groovy, but how does it allow BPM changes? Where does BPM come in? Isn't the circumference of your metaphoric eternal groove gearwheel just the duration of the repeating loop? Do you have to put in the BPM and then the number of beats you wish to loop? And why a gearwheel? A gearwheel can work with other gearwheels of different radii. Are you saying that your gizmo can playback loops of different durations? So that with a 3 second loop and a 7 second loop, they would both begin at the same time every 21 seconds? That sounds pretty freaky deaky. Also if you change the BPM this would alter the circumference of your gearwheel? If, say, you add to the circumference of your gearwheel, increasing the loop duration from 5 to 7 seconds, does the extra 2 seconds show up as silence or do you time/pitch-stretch the loop to wrap around the new, bigger gearwheel? Conversely if you decrease the loop duration does that eat up part of the existing loop? Or does all the existing sound get erased and you start over again? From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Jul 10 01:43:51 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAB16260; Sat, 10 Jul 1999 01:43:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 01:43:51 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 01:27:31 EDT Subject: Re: DJRND2 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 Resent-Message-ID: <"DJeQy3.0.ZU3.vdjXt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6858 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 7/10/99 2:43:24 AM Mid-Atlantic Daylight Time, american@qabalah.com writes: << That sounds pretty freaky deaky. >> show me, please...........michael From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Jul 10 01:24:40 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA13677; Sat, 10 Jul 1999 01:24:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 01:24:40 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <8c4932e2.24b83197@aol.com> Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 01:18:15 EDT Subject: teach us To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 Resent-Message-ID: <"ovB-w1.0.6A3.eVjXt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6857 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 7/9/99 5:59:12 PM Mid-Atlantic Daylight Time, kflint@annihilist.com writes: << fucking amazing >> kim......i asked this awhile back......wouldnt it be nice to get a video of you or someone teaching us non-edp users what this puppie can do.......a tutorial, both visual and audio of the powers of the edp........i have never seen one (edp) in "real life" and would love to see and hear what it can do.......if it (edp) is to come out better and costing less, please help me grasp this beyond the written word.......michael From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Jul 10 01:00:04 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA09768; Sat, 10 Jul 1999 01:00:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 01:00:04 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199907100442.AAA22694@smtp0.mindspring.com> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 00:49:02 -0400 Subject: trade From: "Christopher White" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"8JXof3.0.oj1.syiXt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6856 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com anyone interested in working some kinda trade for a lexicon jamman for motu 2408 hd recorder? From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Jul 10 02:14:25 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA22317; Sat, 10 Jul 1999 02:14:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 02:14:25 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 01:16:11 -0700 From: j honaker Subject: Fw: unsubscribe To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-id: <002201becaac$78ba1800$b6ad3ea6@pavilion> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001F_01BECA71.CBAA3F80" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <"JgieF2.0.1F5.FEkXt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6860 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001F_01BECA71.CBAA3F80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable please take me off this mailing list................ 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I have sent several email.... how do I unsubscribe = to this=20 f#$3ing thing???? ------=_NextPart_000_001F_01BECA71.CBAA3F80-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Jul 10 01:52:42 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA17897; Sat, 10 Jul 1999 01:52:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 01:52:42 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 01:48:38 EDT Subject: Re: so when do we get the EDP news?/reasons to have boomerang AND EDP To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 Resent-Message-ID: <"OLOL71.0.MF4.zxjXt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6859 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 7/10/99 2:44:57 AM Mid-Atlantic Daylight Time, american@qabalah.com writes: << Sorry about the newbie question, I am simply not down with the lingo. >> my point exactly.......let me "hear" what your words mean, i speak "boomerang", you speak "edp", some speak "daw", and GOD only knows what else, djrnd2, headrush, wacka wacka wacka........michael From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Jul 10 02:15:23 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA22484; Sat, 10 Jul 1999 02:15:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 02:15:23 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 01:17:31 -0700 From: j honaker Subject: Fw: unsubscribe To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-id: <006701becaac$a896e6c0$b6ad3ea6@pavilion> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0064_01BECA71.FBBAEF80" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <"D9VIr2.0.XI5.wFkXt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6861 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0064_01BECA71.FBBAEF80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ----- Original Message -----=20 From: j honaker=20 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com=20 Sent: Friday, July 09, 1999 12:06 AM Subject: unsubscribe unsubscribe ------=_NextPart_000_0064_01BECA71.FBBAEF80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
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------=_NextPart_000_0064_01BECA71.FBBAEF80-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Jul 10 03:50:20 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA05448; Sat, 10 Jul 1999 03:50:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 03:50:20 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <002001beca86$5f62ee20$02585858@timspc> References: <199907080712.DAA17911@rosy.yourwebho st.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 00:34:51 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: so when do we get the EDP news?/reasons to have boomerang AND EDP Resent-Message-ID: <"r-ylO.0.Rn.uTlXt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6863 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 8:43 PM -0700 7/9/99, american qabalah wrote: >> yes, I must say, tapping instantaneously in and out of half speed while >> overdub is on over a reversed, granularly-multiplied loop is way >> fun.....y'all should try it some time.... > >When you say granularly-multiplied do you mean changing the duration of the >loop without changing the pitch? nope. If I explained this to you any more I'd be forced to kill you, sorry. You're welcome to guess further, and I'll wink twice if you get it right. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Jul 10 03:47:45 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA05075; Sat, 10 Jul 1999 03:47:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 03:47:45 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <8c4932e2.24b83197@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 00:30:52 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: teach us Resent-Message-ID: <"3ydko1.0.Fe.UQlXt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6862 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 10:18 PM -0700 7/9/99, Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: >In a message dated 7/9/99 5:59:12 PM Mid-Atlantic Daylight Time, >kflint@annihilist.com writes: > ><< fucking amazing >> > >kim......i asked this awhile back......wouldnt it be nice to get a video of >you or someone teaching us non-edp users what this puppie can do.......a >tutorial, both visual and audio of the powers of the edp........i have never >seen one (edp) in "real life" and would love to see and hear what it can >do.......if it (edp) is to come out better and costing less, please help me >grasp this beyond the written word.......michael yes, it would be great. We plan to do one - Matthias will do it. So far, we've been too busy, and haven't really had the money to do a good job with it. Hopefully Gibson will come up with funding for it, we'll see. For now, we just have mailing lists, web sites, and cds. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Jul 10 04:01:46 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA06910; Sat, 10 Jul 1999 04:01:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 04:01:46 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <002401beca86$debcdbe0$02585858@timspc> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 00:46:11 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Another newbie EDP question Resent-Message-ID: <"qtCo31.0.C91.WelXt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6864 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com american qabalah said: > I have read that the EDP can store nine different loops. Question: >can more than one of these loops play back concurrently? If the >answer to this question is yes, my second question is, how does it >handle playing back loops of differing durations? please read the Echoplex FAQ: http://www.annihilist.com/loop/tools/echoplex/FAQ.html page 9 answers your question. >Also, when you >overdub onto a loop, does it attenuate the previous sound on the loop >as with the boomerang? Thanks no, unless you have turned down the feedback. So you can have it whatever way you want. Feedback is also explained in the FAQ, page 8. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Jul 10 04:41:18 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA12597; Sat, 10 Jul 1999 04:41:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 04:41:18 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <001b01becaad$fd458fe0$02585858@timspc> From: "american qabalah" To: References: <199907080712.DAA17911@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Subject: Re: so when do we get the EDP news?/reasons to have boomerang AND EDP Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 03:27:02 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: <"gjy3b3.0.9V2.iDmXt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6865 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > nope. If I explained this to you any more I'd be forced to kill you You'd be forced to try, anyway... see ya From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Jul 10 06:38:44 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA26412; Sat, 10 Jul 1999 06:38:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 06:38:44 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <37871F32.7BF8@club-internet.fr> Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 12:23:46 +0200 From: PERILLE Reply-To: perille@club-internet.fr X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 [fr]C-CLUB (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: DJRND2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"_MpJQ2.0.9z5.ExnXt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6866 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com american qabalah wrote : > > But a permanent cyclic loop straightly defined in terms of tempo and > > bars set you free from any need of external sync, and rec start can > > appear wherever around the wheel, the loop being perfectly made once a > > whole revolution made. The method works in terms of Omega/phi (Omega = > > pulsation = tempo) and (Phi = phase = differential bar synchronization), > > Omega commun to every loop, Phi given for each loop. It is a BPM > > gearwheels recording machine. No start/end points. Free running in your > > own beat where you can record at any time during your playback. An > > eternal and fiendish grooving method which allows BPM changes. > > I think I get the eternal gearwheel groove machine part and it sounds groovy, > but how does it allow BPM changes? Where does BPM come in? Isn't the > circumference of your metaphoric eternal groove gearwheel just the duration of > the repeating loop? Do you have to put in the BPM and then the number of > beats you wish to loop? > BPM is the pitch in the DJRND2. Loop circumferences are given in terms of bars. You can tap at each measure on the TAP TEMPO, so you can even enter a 5-time measure for instance. It works well unless your measure tapping is too long (time out then displayed) BPM is automaticaly scaled in a ratio of 2. (if you tap at 170 BPM, it will go down to 85 BPM and loops are twice longer. Never mind the loops durations, they are automaticaly computed from the commun BPM with each loop measure number) BPM changes concern the pitch, but DJRND2 always thinks in terms of BPM. Possible BPM variations around +/- 20% > And why a gearwheel? A gearwheel can work with other gearwheels of different > radii. Are you saying that your gizmo can playback loops of different > durations? Yes. 14 stereo loops : - 2 2-bar loops - 8 8-bar loops - 3 16-bar loops - 1 4-bar loop You can also wheelslide a loop in comparison with the others in term of bar portion to fine kick-to-kick coincidence, or to simulate beat break effects. Wheelsliding (Forw/back keys) can also operate on the whole gearwheels to keep it sync with the source in real time. > So that with a 3 second loop and a 7 second loop, they would both > begin at the same time every 21 seconds? That sounds pretty freaky deaky. > No. Only with the given number of bars. And always in terms of bars, never in terms of seconds. > Also if you change the BPM this would alter the circumference of your > gearwheel? No. Only the pitch of the whole gearwheels. > If, say, you add to the circumference of your gearwheel, increasing > the loop duration from 5 to 7 seconds, does the extra 2 seconds show up as > silence or do you time/pitch-stretch the loop to wrap around the new, bigger > gearwheel? > Conversely if you decrease the loop duration does that eat up part > of the existing loop? Or does all the existing sound get erased and you start > over again? > No. Circumferences never change. They are all scarved on the front panel for each loop. Only BPM and wheelsliding operate. And you have a 14-key keyboard to mute loops during their revolutions. BPM changes can also act in terms of bar sync by using what I call a loop signature. Emmanuel From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Jul 10 09:52:02 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA18887; Sat, 10 Jul 1999 09:52:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 09:52:02 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990710133505.397.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [165.227.137.113] From: "David Potter" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Boomerang FS $275, Harmony Central Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 06:35:05 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"7q82x1.0.964.vmqXt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6868 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I'm interested for the bent knob one if it WORKS FINE... will you guarentee that??? papadave55@hotmail.com let me know soon.... Santa Cruz Ca. >From: "Travis Hartnett" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >To: "Looper's Delight" >Subject: Boomerang FS $275, Harmony Central >Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 09:38:49 -0500 > >Don't send me e-mail, use the address at the bottom of the ad: > > >Boomerang Phrase Sampler > >Asking Price: US$275 >Condition: Good >Age: N/A >Description: > > Boomerang 4 meg. phrase sampler. Good condition except that the >trim >knob is bent but works fine. I have 2 so must get rid of > one... If you would rather have the other one which is in excellent >condition, Ill sale it for 375.00. Both work great. > >Seller: Zachary, >E-mail: zachary@wf.net (Profile) >Location: WICHITA FALLS, TX >Post Date: 7/8/99 > _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Jul 10 10:47:43 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA27433; Sat, 10 Jul 1999 10:47:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 10:47:43 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990710141638.44518.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [165.227.137.113] From: "David Potter" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Megaloop Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 07:16:38 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"uOKDC3.0.xX5.rNrXt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6870 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com MEGALOOP MEGALOOP MEGALOOP MEGALOOP MEGALOOP MEGALOOP MEGALOOP MEGALOOP MEGALOOP MEGALOOP > >Claude > > _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Jul 10 10:51:05 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA28115; Sat, 10 Jul 1999 10:51:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 10:51:05 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990710143402.3266.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [165.227.137.113] From: "David Potter" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Loopwars by George Lucas Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 07:34:02 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"EOiGE1.0.9C6.AerXt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6871 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Can Kimskywalker save the Loopnation from the evil alien machine and Darth Emmanuel???.Let them meet at high noon with Loop-phasers (set on stun please)and settle this thing once and for all...The Looping world awaits...deep breath and...hold...hold..hold..hold..hold...OOOOOOOOOOmmm and OOOOut _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Jul 10 11:13:26 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA32113; Sat, 10 Jul 1999 11:13:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 11:13:26 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: KB305@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 10:53:19 EDT Subject: EDP question To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 10 Resent-Message-ID: <"I6Z-x1.0.l87.7zrXt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6872 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I'm learning my EDP (kind of like learning my ABCs). When I push 'reverse' from my front panel, (by first selecting the bottom row of parameters and then the column where 'reverse' is located,) I get instead 'loop/delay'. I do this when a loop is already running, and when the green light is lit in the column where 'reverse' is located. I know the reverse function works, because when I set 'insertMode' to 'rev', it works fine. I've searched the manual (searching the manual has already illuminated other goofs on my part), but I can nae find wha I am doing wrong. Anyone? kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Jul 10 10:07:25 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA21052; Sat, 10 Jul 1999 10:07:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 10:07:25 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990710095818.007a5dc0@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 09:58:18 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: teach us In-Reply-To: <8c4932e2.24b83197@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"tHjWs3.0.ka4.9_qXt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6869 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Yeah, kind of like the videotape Bob Moog includes with his Big Briar Theremins; here we see Kim in formal evening wear running the 'plex through its paces... An interview with Matthias at his drawing board... A tour of the Oberheim, er, Opcode, er, Gibson production facilities (that one may have to wait a few months!) You could finance the project by selling tickets to the Emmanuel vs. Kim loop showdown (venue TBA)! (That would also be great to capture on video...) Tim At 01:18 AM 7/10/99 EDT, you wrote: >In a message dated 7/9/99 5:59:12 PM Mid-Atlantic Daylight Time, >kflint@annihilist.com writes: > ><< fucking amazing >> > >kim......i asked this awhile back......wouldnt it be nice to get a video of >you or someone teaching us non-edp users what this puppie can do.......a >tutorial, both visual and audio of the powers of the edp........i have never >seen one (edp) in "real life" and would love to see and hear what it can >do.......if it (edp) is to come out better and costing less, please help me >grasp this beyond the written word.......michael > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Jul 10 13:16:56 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA18961; Sat, 10 Jul 1999 13:16:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 13:16:56 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: cbm@mail.well.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <002401beca86$debcdbe0$02585858@timspc> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 01:29:28 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Chris Muir Subject: Re: Another newbie EDP question Resent-Message-ID: <"xu7eQ2.0.n54.FntXt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6873 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 12:46 AM -0700 7/10/99, Kim Flint wrote: >american qabalah said: >>Also, when you >>overdub onto a loop, does it attenuate the previous sound on the loop >>as with the boomerang? Thanks > >no, unless you have turned down the feedback. So you can have it whatever >way you want. Feedback is also explained in the FAQ, page 8. Won't the "limiter" also turn down the loop in some circumstances? Chris _________________________________________________ Chris Muir | cbm@well.com | Got moloko? From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Jul 10 14:12:04 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA27101; Sat, 10 Jul 1999 14:12:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 14:12:04 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <001701becafd$74df9920$a022dacf@sgoodman> Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: <19990710143402.3266.qmail@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: Loopwars by George Lucas Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 10:55:50 -0700 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Resent-Message-ID: <"thWwq1.0.936.2buXt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6874 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I've got a real bad feeling about this... :) ----- Original Message ----- From: David Potter To: Sent: Saturday, July 10, 1999 7:34 AM Subject: Loopwars by George Lucas > Can Kimskywalker save the Loopnation from the evil alien machine and Darth > Emmanuel???.Let them meet at high noon with Loop-phasers (set on stun > please)and settle this thing once and for all...The Looping world > awaits...deep breath and...hold...hold..hold..hold..hold...OOOOOOOOOOmmm and > OOOOut > > > _______________________________________________________________ > Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Jul 11 02:24:38 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA20024; Sun, 11 Jul 1999 02:24:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 02:24:38 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990711061543.7118.rocketmail@web122.yahoomail.com> Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 23:15:43 -0700 (PDT) From: John Tidwell Subject: Re: so when do we get the EDP news?/reasons to have boomerang AND EDP To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"F3Dbd3.0.lS4.9Q3Yt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6875 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com So, you're going to allow us to use the multiply function in sustain mode? Would it be more accurate to call it "Loop Divide"? John --- Kim Flint wrote: > At 8:43 PM -0700 7/9/99, american qabalah wrote: > >> yes, I must say, tapping instantaneously in and > out of half speed while > >> overdub is on over a reversed, > granularly-multiplied loop is way > >> fun.....y'all should try it some time.... > > > >When you say granularly-multiplied do you mean > changing the duration of the > >loop without changing the pitch? > > nope. If I explained this to you any more I'd be > forced to kill you, sorry. > You're welcome to guess further, and I'll wink twice > if you get it right. > > kim > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@annihilist.com | > http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html > http://www.annihilist.com/ | > Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > > > === John Tidwell _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Jul 11 04:03:29 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA02400; Sun, 11 Jul 1999 04:03:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 04:03:29 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <001f01becb73$0b9452a0$02585858@timspc> From: "american qabalah" To: References: <19990711061543.7118.rocketmail@web122.yahoomail.com> Subject: Re: so when do we get the EDP news?/reasons to have boomerang AND EDP Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 02:57:37 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: <"xsv751.0.-L.7u4Yt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6876 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > So, you're going to allow us to use the multiply > function in sustain mode? Would it be more accurate to > call it "Loop Divide"? > > John Actually, you have it all wrong. He's referring to the ability of the new EDP to link via infrared signals to the Dell 9000 computer, which uses rat brains suspended in iodine acting as neural networks that have been specially trained to enhance live performance by making a damn good cup of coffee for each member of an audience, custom-tailored to his or her personal tastes via mental telepathy, astrological charts, and/or credit purchase history analysis (internet connection not included). This feature of course requires (1) a java-enabled USB coffeemaker running Loopaccino (tm) Version VIII software (versions IV-V were used but only internally, version VI called in sick, and version VII was sacrificed to satan during an Imbolc festival in an attempt to magically prevent the Backstreet Boys from making any more albums), (2) SCSI platform shoes (void where prohibited by law), and (3) 8 ounces of chilled, two-percent, vitamin-D-enriched, ultra-pasteurized acidophilus milk. Use of dairy products, however, can be disabled by depressing the new "Vegan" button while pointing one's nose towards the ceiling and making a humping motion* (see attached diagram). * As of this writing, the humping motion must still be performed in Hebrew. For a good example of this, see 2 Live Jew's video, "Kosher As U Wanna B" now appearing on the Adam & Eve network. Yarmulke sold separately. It should all make sense now. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Jul 11 04:55:08 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA09104; Sun, 11 Jul 1999 04:55:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 04:55:08 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990711083304.15560.rocketmail@web103.yahoomail.com> Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 01:33:04 -0700 (PDT) From: John Tidwell Subject: Re: so when do we get the EDP news?/reasons to have boomerang AND EDP To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"KecDM.0.5X1.9R5Yt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6877 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thanks for clearing that up, but I have a few questions. 1) Can I get a decaf mocha with that? 2) Is there a Mac version? 3) Will it UNDO my circumcision? John --- american qabalah wrote: > > So, you're going to allow us to use the multiply > > function in sustain mode? Would it be more > accurate to > > call it "Loop Divide"? > > > > John > > Actually, you have it all wrong. He's referring to > the ability of the new EDP > to link via infrared signals to the Dell 9000 > computer, which uses rat brains > suspended in iodine acting as neural networks that > have been specially trained > to enhance live performance by making a damn good > cup of coffee for each > member of an audience, custom-tailored to his or her > personal tastes via > mental telepathy, astrological charts, and/or credit > purchase history analysis > (internet connection not included). This feature of > course requires (1) a > java-enabled USB coffeemaker running Loopaccino (tm) > Version VIII software > (versions IV-V were used but only internally, > version VI called in sick, and > version VII was sacrificed to satan during an Imbolc > festival in an attempt to > magically prevent the Backstreet Boys from making > any more albums), (2) SCSI > platform shoes (void where prohibited by law), and > (3) 8 ounces of chilled, > two-percent, vitamin-D-enriched, ultra-pasteurized > acidophilus milk. Use of > dairy products, however, can be disabled by > depressing the new "Vegan" button > while pointing one's nose towards the ceiling and > making a humping motion* > (see attached diagram). > > * As of this writing, the humping motion must still > be performed in Hebrew. > For a good example of this, see 2 Live Jew's video, > "Kosher As U Wanna B" now > appearing on the Adam & Eve network. Yarmulke sold > separately. > > It should all make sense now. > > > === John Tidwell _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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------=_NextPart_000_001B_01BECBA6.49EE0D60-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Jul 11 10:02:24 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA17338; Sun, 11 Jul 1999 10:02:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 10:02:24 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990711100525.007a2dd0@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 10:05:25 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: so when do we get the EDP news?/reasons to have boomerang AND EDP In-Reply-To: <001f01becb73$0b9452a0$02585858@timspc> References: <19990711061543.7118.rocketmail@web122.yahoomail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"2G_i13.0.I14.JBAYt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6879 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com ... the ability of the new EDP >to link via infrared signals to the Dell 9000 computer, which uses rat brains >suspended in iodine acting as neural networks ... They had originally tried this mod with rabbit brains, but found it very difficult to control when using the Multiply function... BTW, no actual rats were harmed; they seem to like it. ...(2) SCSI >platform shoes (void where prohibited by law),... Any loopers considering this option should be warned that the SCSI footwear are still beta, are not yet available in a wide variety of sizes, and have some odd bugs; users often without warning or intention begin to walk around like the "Keep On Truckin'" guy or may spontaneously begin to do the "Funky Chicken", both of which can seriously disrupt a performance, and/or place the looper in physical danger. (Incidentally, the "Funky Chicken" glitch is usually preceded by a "clucking" sound, and ironically has not yet happened while processing a saxophone...) Also, the use of these shoes while playing a guitar with a pointy headstock has caused baldness in laboratory rats (who were not otherwise harmed, but didn't seem to like it...) Now see what you've started... From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Jul 11 14:05:46 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA27960; Sun, 11 Jul 1999 14:05:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 14:05:46 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Javier Miranda V." To: Subject: RE: so when do we get the EDP news?/reasons to have boomerang AND EDP Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 10:40:23 -0700 Message-ID: <000201becbc4$74472240$0c1ed1d1@electra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 In-Reply-To: <001f01becb73$0b9452a0$02585858@timspc> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <"THW5L.0.Ij5.4TDYt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6880 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Creative writing aside, I'd like to see the EDP with a SPDIF in/out to dump a loop to a computer (or another EDP) digitally in real time. Mmmm, there's a couple of other things the current EDP is lacking, but let me think about it real good first. | -----Original Message----- | From: american qabalah [mailto:american@qabalah.com] | Sent: Sunday 11 July 1999 12:58 AM | To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com | Subject: Re: so when do we get the EDP news?/reasons to have boomerang | AND EDP | | | > So, you're going to allow us to use the multiply | > function in sustain mode? Would it be more accurate to | > call it "Loop Divide"? | > | > John | | Actually, you have it all wrong. He's referring to the ability | of the new EDP | to link via infrared signals to the Dell 9000 computer, which | uses rat brains... From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Jul 11 14:31:34 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA32149; Sun, 11 Jul 1999 14:31:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 14:31:34 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <01c401becbc5$491bb120$2e2310ac@Douglas> From: "K. Douglas Baldwin" To: "lance glover" , Subject: Re: so when do we get the EDP news?/reasons to have boomerang ANDEDP Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 13:31:02 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"9Wcbs3.0.616.rYDYt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6881 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >> I use the EDP for the more strucural stuff and the Rang to throw in some >> polymetrical, gritty 8vb/8va (via playback speed) additions for contrast. >> Since this expands the range and the sound of the instrument it's an >> important feature to me. At two points in the show I use two worked out >> independent loops to get some some trippy polyblabla stuff, great fun... > >help with nomenclature here? > >what means 8vb/8va and/or polyblabla? 8vb means "one octave down", 8va means "one octave up". If playback speed is halved, pitch is halved, or dropped one octave. Playback doubled=pitch doubled=raised one octave. Polyblabla is a secret code word for two rhythms of different lengths, usually sharing the same pulse. The even more secret code word is "polyrhythm". I love the funny spot where music and technology meet! From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Jul 11 18:41:04 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA05485; Sun, 11 Jul 1999 18:41:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 18:41:04 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <000901becbe7$51063dc0$10c6aec7@default> From: "Alan Imberg" To: "Loopers" Subject: Michael Brook Touring Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 14:49:50 -0700 Organization: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Resent-Message-ID: <"tANiI1.0.9J7.V9HYt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6883 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Greetings: As I was doing my normal Sunday ritual of scouring the newspaper, I saw that Michael Brook was coming to the Bay Area (my home region) next month. He is touring the States with Djivan Gasparyan. I promptly bought my tickets and am anxiously awaiting. I copied the rest of the tour dates for any interested loopers. I would welcome the opportunity to meet any Bay Area members on this list who plan to attend the SF show. Get a hold of me if you're going to the show and would like to meet. Best Regards, Alan Imberg 31 July - 1 August WOMAD USA Seattle, WA 2 August Great American Music Hall 859 O'Farrell St. between Polk and Larkin San Francisco, CA 4 August Gothic Theater Englewood, CO 6 August 322 W. Armitage Park West, Chicago 8 August House of Blues Cambridge, MA 9 August Knitting Factory New York, NY 12 August Skirball Cultural Center Los Angeles From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Jul 11 20:25:48 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA21762; Sun, 11 Jul 1999 20:25:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 20:25:48 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: KB305@aol.com Message-ID: <522f0b17.24ba8b3d@aol.com> Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 20:05:17 EDT Subject: loop wars? To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 10 Resent-Message-ID: <"-dX0g.0.Rg4.s5JYt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6884 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 7/11/99 9:02:16 AM Central Daylight Time, various writes: <> << Now see what you've started... >> Event One: Armed with an EDP, a microphone, 12' of cable, and an oscillating fan (the kind commonly found around the house), create a loop. The loop itself can be of any length, but contestant has 16 minutes for their entire program, including creative thought, preparation, and execution. Judging will be based on the following parameters: Density of information presented Musicality Uniqueness, i.e., specificity to this time and place k From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jul 12 04:01:34 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA02640; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 04:01:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 04:01:34 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Kriist@aol.com Message-ID: <61b77251.24baf945@aol.com> Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 03:54:45 EDT Subject: photocells? To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 Resent-Message-ID: <"w8i-D3.0.lQ.C-PYt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6885 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com theres been some talk on another list im on about photocelss(oddmusic) i was wondering(kim?)is it possible to change out a resistor in the edp with one of these and use light as a variable? anybody? has anybody modified their edp to do wild and crazy things? rodrigo From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jul 12 11:00:36 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA01488; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 11:00:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 11:00:36 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <004801becc75$d56ec940$76844d0c@infinia> Reply-To: "Ian Naismith" From: "Ian Naismith" To: Subject: Unsubscribe Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 10:50:05 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0045_01BECC54.4D690540" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: <"K0mua2.0.kw7._4WYt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6886 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0045_01BECC54.4D690540 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable unsubscribe ------=_NextPart_000_0045_01BECC54.4D690540 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_0045_01BECC54.4D690540-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jul 12 14:04:15 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA04446; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 14:04:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 14:04:15 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990712171632.22850.rocketmail@web126.yahoomail.com> Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 10:16:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Bret Subject: Re: so when do we get the EDP news?/reasons to have boomerang AND EDP To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"nf7F32.0.wO6.9BYYt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6887 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com --- John Tidwell wrote: > Thanks for clearing that up, but I have a few > questions. > 3) Will it UNDO my circumcision? > > John > John, Only if you attach alligator clips to the rack mount bracket of the EDP, and hang the EDP onto what remains of your forskin for a week, or until you achieve the desired effect. Some lengthening of the remaining shaft may occur, your mileage may vary. bret _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jul 12 15:39:35 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA26346; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 15:39:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 15:39:35 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: From: David Kirkdorffer To: "'Nemoguitt@aol.com'" , Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: teach us - EDP Video Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 15:26:43 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2524.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <"pIpvC1.0.Yq5.I7aYt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6888 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Great idea! And then, how about placing video-clips on the Gibson site so that people can see how easy it all is... dk -----Original Message----- From: Nemoguitt@aol.com [mailto:Nemoguitt@aol.com] Sent: Saturday, July 10, 1999 1:18 AM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: teach us In a message dated 7/9/99 5:59:12 PM Mid-Atlantic Daylight Time, kflint@annihilist.com writes: << fucking amazing >> kim......i asked this awhile back......wouldnt it be nice to get a video of you or someone teaching us non-edp users what this puppie can do.......a tutorial, both visual and audio of the powers of the edp........i have never seen one (edp) in "real life" and would love to see and hear what it can do.......if it (edp) is to come out better and costing less, please help me grasp this beyond the written word.......michael From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jul 12 18:39:51 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA31229; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 18:39:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 18:39:51 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <378A6D59.4134F73D@arrakis.es> Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 00:34:04 +0200 From: "Carmelo Jordá" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [es] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "taptalk@progrock.net" , "Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" , "stickwire-l@netcom.com" Subject: fw: new web site Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------85E88BD82B1D18232606DEEA" Resent-Message-ID: <"Y7NSJ3.0.kN7.GscYt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6889 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com --------------85E88BD82B1D18232606DEEA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi all, A friend of mine ask me if I can send this message tothis mailing lists. 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  --------------BE7B4512B4A0F1876B18FF7A Content-Type: image/gif Content-ID: Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: inline; filename="" --------------BE7B4512B4A0F1876B18FF7A-- --------------85E88BD82B1D18232606DEEA-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jul 12 20:57:09 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA23632; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 20:57:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 20:57:09 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Kriist@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 20:36:11 EDT Subject: random tone, and midi data generators To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, oddmusic@onelist.com, lowercase-sound@onelist.com, noise@onelist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 Resent-Message-ID: <"UTP431.0._t4.oeeYt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6890 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com does anybody know of any company(or persons) that make any of these things? particularly the random midi info generation or fx processor hell, any of it i have the k2000 which has a hidden random dsp thing but its a pain to work with appreciate the help rodrigo From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jul 12 23:41:40 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA20207; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 23:41:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 23:41:40 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990712234603.007bf570@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 23:46:03 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: random tone, and midi data generators In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"NRoKm3.0.0m4.lHhYt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6891 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I'm not sure if this is the sort of thing you're talking about, but you might enjoy the Koan generative software by SSEYO. It's used by Jamuud of Loop Guru, Brian Eno, etc. Also, I've seen some mention of using fractal software for sound generation, but haven't tried it myself. Try a search of the fractal sites, and you might find something along those lines. Tim At 08:36 PM 7/12/99 EDT, you wrote: >does anybody know of any company(or persons) >that make any of these things? > >particularly the random midi info generation >or fx processor >hell, any of it > >i have the k2000 which has a hidden random dsp thing but its a pain to work >with > >appreciate the help > >rodrigo > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jul 13 00:03:37 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA23673; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 00:03:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 00:03:37 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990712230207.007c89d0@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: subversive@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 23:02:07 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Jeff & Vonda McLeod Subject: Best budget sampler? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"Y9tKX3.0.mf5.udhYt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6892 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi, folks... My wife and I are looking for a modestly priced sampler and have narrowed it down to three. I wanted to post here, in hopes of tapping into your knowledge of such things. Here are the three we're looking at: Roland's Dr. Sample (smaller, built a bit better--but it's a bit limited as a sample editor...) Zoom's SampleTrak (A better sample editor and sequencer than the others, with a bit higher sampling, but I don't know much else about it) Next! DJS Sampler (CD quality, but not much of an editor) That's the basic, most simple pluses that I know about each. I've been looking at specs for all of them, but I was just hoping that some of you had some experience with some of them. What we need is an inexpensive sampler that we can do some editing and building of sounds with at home and for live situations. Please feel free to reply directly to me, if you don't want to tie up bandwidth. I will appreciate any and all feedback! If you need more info from me, just ask. Thanks in advance, Jeff & Vonda McLeod __________________________________________ This is not here-- And now is almost over... http://members.xoom.com/Gezoleen/ http://members.xoom.com/edkempertrio/ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jul 13 02:10:22 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA15662; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 02:10:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 02:10:22 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Wjguitar@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 02:03:07 EDT Subject: Re: Sad Sad Sad News To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by rosy.yourwebhost.com id CAA14242 Resent-Message-ID: <"DXn3l3.0.mU3.mQjYt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6893 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 7/6/99 3:19:55 PM Eastern Daylight Time, speck45@hotmail.com writes: << older and either very modified and/or fucked up/beat up.  They >> Sorry to hear about your mis fortune....I'll surely keep my eyes and ears open and if I see or hear of anything, we'll let you know. Regards, Wayne From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jul 13 05:32:57 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA12562; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 05:32:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 05:32:57 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <378ACE91.230E@nh.ultranet.com> Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 05:28:59 +0000 From: rb Reply-To: rumble@nh.ultranet.com Organization: curse of the chia X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: re: random tone, and midi data generators Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"PddKI1.0.as2.4PmYt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6894 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From: Kriist@aol.com > does anybody know of any company(or persons) > that make any of these things? > > particularly the random midi info generation or fx processor > hell, any of it (for MAC): pluggo, MAX & MSP, M: http://cycling74.com/ misc: http://www.sirius.com/~ear/software.html http://shoko.calarts.edu/~tre/CompMusMac/ MetaSynth & Xx: http://www.uisoftware.com/ Hyperprism: http://www.arboretum.com/ LiSa: http://www.xs4all.nl/~steim/main.html thonk II: http://www.audioease.com/ Symbolic Composer: http://symcom.hypermart.net/ Reaktor: (mac & pc) http://www.native-instruments.com/ MIDI Delay: http://www2.cybernex.net/~jonwitte/ReadMididelay.html Koblo stuff: http://www.koblo.com/ SuperCollider: http://www.audiosynth.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jul 13 07:37:23 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA27887; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 07:37:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 07:37:23 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <378B2381.89439495@ix.netcom.com> Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 06:31:13 -0500 From: Mike Artemenko X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.07 [en] (Win98; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: teach us - EDP Video References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"0Ym9A3.0.tY6.tAoYt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6895 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I also asked, way back when, for some sort of applications manual that is more straight forward than reading all the tidbits from the web site. Actual demonstrations of uses of the EDP by proficient users would be nice. Mike David Kirkdorffer wrote: > Great idea! > > And then, how about placing video-clips on the Gibson site so that people > can see how easy it all is... > > dk > > -----Original Message----- > From: Nemoguitt@aol.com [mailto:Nemoguitt@aol.com] > Sent: Saturday, July 10, 1999 1:18 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Subject: teach us > > In a message dated 7/9/99 5:59:12 PM Mid-Atlantic Daylight Time, > kflint@annihilist.com writes: > > << fucking amazing >> > > kim......i asked this awhile back......wouldnt it be nice to get a video of > you or someone teaching us non-edp users what this puppie can do.......a > tutorial, both visual and audio of the powers of the edp........i have never > > seen one (edp) in "real life" and would love to see and hear what it can > do.......if it (edp) is to come out better and costing less, please help me > grasp this beyond the written word.......michael From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jul 13 08:01:12 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA30892; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 08:01:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 08:01:12 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Reply-To: "m.hughes" From: "Michael P. Hughes, PhD" To: Loopers-Delight Subject: Things are quiet 'round here Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 12:32:55 -0700 Message-ID: <001801becd66$817613b0$acb6e383@me-biopc-22.mech.surrey.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <199907130706.DAA25837@rosy.yourwebhost.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"0YspB2.0.Il6.qGoYt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6896 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Things seem to have gotten awful quiet on this list... are Jon, Matthias, the LoOpDoCtOrS et al still about, or is it summer vacation season? Of those of us who are left, has anybody tried inserting FX into their feedback loops? I've been thinking about this - it strikes me as a great way to "thicken up" a loop, but on the other hand once the signal's been around the FB loop a few times it'd be so effected it'd sound like an exposion at Digitech's Preset factory. Comments? Mike PS On an unrelated note, two posts in yesterday's digest should NOT have neen next to each other: >>> 3) Will it UNDO my circumcision? >>Only if you attach alligator clips to the rack mount >>bracket of the EDP, and hang the EDP onto what remains >>of your forskin for a week, or until you achieve the >>desired effect. the next (actually unrelated) EMail was: >And then, how about placing video-clips on the Gibson site so that people >can see how easy it all is... Eww!!! _____________________________________________________________ Mike Hughes, Ph.D. Tel: (+44) 1483 300800 x2344 Lecturer in Biomedical Engineering, Fax: (+44) 1483 306039 University of Surrey, EMail: m.hughes@surrey.ac.uk Guildford, Surrey, UK www.surrey.ac.uk/MME/Research/BioMed From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jul 13 11:08:52 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA16870; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 11:08:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 11:08:52 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 22:44:28 +0800 Message-Id: <199907131444.WAA31945@salsa.iinet.net.au> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 4.104 (Entity 4.116) From: trent1@iinet.net.au To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: trent1@iinet.net.au Subject: dimension-d jpegs anyone Resent-Message-ID: <"eM2Yt2.0.FY3.JHrYt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6897 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hello, I know it's not exactly looping orientated, but does anyone out there have any pics/links of the classic roland sdd-320 dimension-d? No one seems to have one at mags like 'the mix' & 'future music'. thankyou for your time, Trent. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jul 13 11:31:46 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA22031; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 11:31:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 11:31:46 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <008c01becd3e$f54f1660$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: "m.hughes" , "Loopers-Delight" Subject: Re: Things are quiet 'round here Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 09:49:49 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"Ph8i7.0.e-4.vfrYt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6898 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com That's basically the set-up I use when simulating Alan Lucier's "I Am Sitting in a Room". I put the EDP into delay mode and feed the output back to the input (set the EDP feedback at zero). Various FX and filters can be inserted into the feedback path. Takes me awhile to get the gain structure right so that the looped signal doesn't die out or grow without bound. If I had a compressor/limiter I'd try that to control the feedback gain. Due to the interative effect, small changes in the signal get amplified. So simple things like an EQ change can have a profound effect over time. This property reminds me of some Chaos Theory principles. I think the technique has ALOT of potential. Unfortunately, the configuration is so different than what I typically use that it's hard to fit it in with my normal performance stuff. One of these days... Dennis Leas ----------------------------- dennis@mdbs.com -----Original Message----- From: Michael P. Hughes, PhD To: Loopers-Delight Date: Tuesday, July 13, 1999 8:21 AM Subject: Things are quiet 'round here >Things seem to have gotten awful quiet on this list... are Jon, Matthias, >the LoOpDoCtOrS et al still about, or is it summer vacation season? > >Of those of us who are left, has anybody tried inserting FX into their >feedback loops? I've been thinking about this - it strikes me as a great way >to "thicken up" a loop, but on the other hand once the signal's been around >the FB loop a few times it'd be so effected it'd sound like an exposion at >Digitech's Preset factory. Comments? > >Mike > >PS On an unrelated note, two posts in yesterday's digest should NOT have >neen next to each other: > >>>> 3) Will it UNDO my circumcision? >>>Only if you attach alligator clips to the rack mount >>>bracket of the EDP, and hang the EDP onto what remains >>>of your forskin for a week, or until you achieve the >>>desired effect. > >the next (actually unrelated) EMail was: >>And then, how about placing video-clips on the Gibson site so that people >>can see how easy it all is... > >Eww!!! >_____________________________________________________________ >Mike Hughes, Ph.D. Tel: (+44) 1483 300800 x2344 >Lecturer in Biomedical Engineering, Fax: (+44) 1483 306039 >University of Surrey, EMail: m.hughes@surrey.ac.uk >Guildford, Surrey, UK www.surrey.ac.uk/MME/Research/BioMed > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jul 13 11:41:03 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA31891; Sat, 10 Jul 1999 07:19:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 07:19:37 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <37872820.E0491A75@vtx.ch> Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 13:01:52 +0200 From: Claude Voit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: fr,en-US,fr-BE,en-GB MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: so when do we get the EDP news?/reasons to have boomerang AND EDP References: <199907080712.DAA17911@rosy.yourwebho st.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <"rmN392.0.7G7.UYoXt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6867 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Kim Flint wrote: > >> overdub is on over a reversed, granularly-multiplied loop is way > >> fun.....y'all should try it some time.... > > > >When you say granularly-multiplied do you mean changing the duration of the > >loop without changing the pitch? > > nope. If I explained this to you any more I'd be forced to kill you, sorry. > You're welcome to guess further, and I'll wink twice if you get it right. > Say after me loud and clear :MEGALOOP MEGALOOP MEGALOOP MEGALOOP MEGALOOP MEGALOOP MEGALOOP MEGALOOP MEGALOOP MEGALOOP :Ž) Claude From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jul 13 11:41:51 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA03862; Sun, 11 Jul 1999 14:57:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 14:57:58 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <01c501becbc5$4ef00060$2e2310ac@Douglas> From: "K. Douglas Baldwin" To: "ld thomson" , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , Subject: Re: SNOWMELTER LIVE - TUESDAY JULY 20TH @ THE CAMERON HOUSE Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 13:36:11 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"vSxUG3.0.i36.MaDYt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6882 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >SNOWMELTER LIVE - TUESDAY JULY 20TH @ THE CAMERON HOUSE Okay. Where on earth is the Cameron House? Live gigs need support, and if you only give a street addres on an international forum like the Web/email, onlym a few people will recognize the location :-) Let's all try to post, for everyone's sake, city, state, country, etc. so we may visualize real-world location as well as computer-screen location. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jul 13 11:42:37 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA05036; Tue, 6 Jul 1999 18:21:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 18:21:18 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990706214507.72816.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [209.20.12.201] From: ld thomson To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: backing solo performances Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 14:45:06 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"r4aUK1.0.Sh7.KadWt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6802 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I've used a Roland MC 303 groove box for drums/sequences since Jan 98 when I trouble making drummer needed to be replaced...and its worked fine. No one's ever complained about it. Surprised by it perhaps. Then I grew up in Toronto as a teenager who was amazed by NASH THE SLASH, electric violinist who's live solo performances were supported by a battery of old analog stuff, drum machines and Crumar Multiman bass pedals. so it makes sense to me. If what you do sucks it won't matter whether you have an beatbox or an orchestra. >From: David Kirkdorffer >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >To: "'David Myers'" , >Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Subject: RE: backing solo performances >Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 09:22:10 -0400 > >I think as long as there's an engaging and real performance in process, any >"backing" sonics/visuals can be contextually very supportive. > >But, the moment that the canned accompaniment become too much of the centre >or thru-line focus, then it detracts from the performer and the >performmance, as it undoes the necessity of his/her presence at all. > >david k > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jul 13 12:08:23 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA30080; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 12:08:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 12:08:23 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: 13 Jul 99 11:34:38 -0400 From: "Jonathan Matis" Subject: RE: Things are quiet 'round here To: "Loopers-Delight" X-Mailer: QuickMail Pro 1.5.4 (Windows32) X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Reply-To: "Jonathan Matis" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-Ascii" Message-Id: <19990713112459.1ec6ac3e.in@fhserver.freedomhouse.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by rosy.yourwebhost.com id LAA22513 Resent-Message-ID: <"7rdC62.0.2W5.WnrYt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6899 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com On 7/13/99, Loopers-Delight wrote: >That's basically the set-up I use when simulating >Alan Lucier's "I Am >Sitting in a Room". > Also similar to Louis Andriessen's "Il Duce" which uses a tape loop that feeds back on itself, gradually getting more distorted. That piece works a little faster than Lucier's (I think it's about 15 minutes instead of an hour). I used my digitech 7.6 sec delay and got a very similar result. -Jon From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jul 13 12:24:00 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA00952; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 12:24:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 12:24:00 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <014c01becd4b$3b149b00$3a2a10ac@Douglas> From: "K. Douglas Baldwin" To: , Subject: Another Headrush post/Moogerfooger alert Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 12:17:13 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Content-Type: text/plain; boundary="----------------------------"; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <"Wc7Z13.0.uq7.1QsYt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6900 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I just sent in the Akai FX review (which contained the Headrush, of course) which will be published in the October issue of Guitar magazine (U.S., formerly Gtr. for the Practicing Catholic). I did my best but was limited to 1,000 words *total*for five pedals. Alan's review, now on the LD website, does far more justice in greater detail. Consider my review a "cool pedal alert". I have discovered that, at least when in Normal Echo mode with feedback at max, increasing levels of digital distortion seep into the high frequencies with every regeneration of same. I was using a Digitech Whammy, and the "Two Octave Up" setting got a little upset after a while. Similarly, extreme low-frequency sounds distort easily at first, then gradually clear up as they regenerate. Any similar observations/cures? If you're into totally fooging with your signal, you must check out the Moogerfooger pedals by Bob Moog, working under the "Big Briar" name (www.Bigbriar.com). Three boxes so far- a low-pass filter, a phaser, and a ring modulator- all offer amazing range of effect. (for example, the phaser's frequency of modulation ranges from low audio frequency down through the usual whoosh-whoosh range to ONE CYCLE EVERY HUNDRED SECONDS!!!) There are numerous input jacks for control by footpedal or control voltage of almost every parameter of each effect. They are very well built, and list in the $200- $350 range, if I recall correctly. Think of them as little analog synth modules with lots of real-world interface. I will be putting them thru their paces (phases?) in the next couple of weeks. The review will be in Guitar World, probably mid-September or October. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jul 13 12:34:08 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA03621; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 12:34:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 12:34:08 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Reply-To: "m.hughes" From: "Michael P. Hughes, PhD" To: "Dennis W. Leas" , Loopers-Delight Subject: RE: Things are quiet 'round here Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 17:24:48 -0700 Message-ID: <001a01becd8f$48487c80$acb6e383@me-biopc-22.mech.surrey.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <008c01becd3e$f54f1660$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"pv9Br3.0.EP.PYsYt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6901 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Dennis: > That's basically the set-up I use when simulating Alan Lucier's "I Am > Sitting in a Room". I'd love to listen to that sometime. probably a stupid question, but do you know if it's ever been released on CD? > I put the EDP into delay mode and feed the output back to the > input (set the EDP feedback at zero). I do that with my JamMan, but without a digital feedback control it incolves a lot of fiddling with the input level knob! I've been thinking of fitting a "fine tune volume" control (probably on my feedback volume control). > I think the technique has ALOT of potential. Unfortunately, the > configuration is so different than what I typically use that it's > hard to fit it in with my normal performance stuff. One of these > days... I'm in the middle of a BIG rig update; out go the pedals, in come the big digital kit! I could go with a floormount system (ie a GT5 feeding my JM and feedback pedal) or a rackmount (in which case feedback volume would be controlled by a Lex MPX-100 via a MIDI pedal). The only problem with the rackmount is that my looper system requires an open-closed gate pedal (right now, a distortion pedal with the volume turned off); the only way I can think to replicate this is by feeding the looper from the "left" rack output, the amp from the "right" and see if the left O/P can be switched on/off by MIDI (a bit like a pan control, but not affecting the right side). With the rackmount, the MPX in the loop would be ripe for serious loop lunacy. Of the other hand, the GT5 is easier - and a LOT cheaper. Hmmmmm....... _____________________________________________________________ Mike Hughes, Ph.D. Tel: (+44) 1483 300800 x2344 Lecturer in Biomedical Engineering, Fax: (+44) 1483 306039 University of Surrey, EMail: m.hughes@surrey.ac.uk Guildford, Surrey, UK www.surrey.ac.uk/MME/Research/BioMed From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jul 13 12:51:33 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA07831; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 12:51:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 12:51:33 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <00bf01becd4d$c1582db0$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: "Loopers-Delight" Subject: Re: Things are quiet 'round here Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 11:35:44 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"MQwyh1.0.pR1.DpsYt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6902 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com -----Original Message----- From: Michael P. Hughes, PhD To: Dennis W. Leas ; Loopers-Delight Date: Tuesday, July 13, 1999 11:26 AM Subject: RE: Things are quiet 'round here . . . >I'd love to listen to that sometime. probably a stupid question, but do you >know if it's ever been released on CD? I found it at: http://www.cdemusic.org/cgi-bin/cde_search.pl?keywords=aluciercds It's a good recording. I tortured my friends with it for several weeks. :) >I'm in the middle of a BIG rig update; out go the pedals, in come the big... So, ya' gonna' post a diagram of your rig when ya' finish it? Hm? Hm? Dennis Leas ----------------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jul 13 15:48:32 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA13267; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 15:48:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 15:48:32 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <378B9463.AD75ADE0@node.net> Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 15:32:52 -0400 From: James Keepnews Reply-To: keepnews@node.net Organization: * - node - * X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: random tone, and midi data generators Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"mdbXB1.0.SH2.cFvYt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6903 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > Subject: random tone, and midi data generators > Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 20:36:11 EDT > From: Kriist@aol.com > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, oddmusic@onelist.com, > lowercase-sound@onelist.com, noise@onelist.com > > does anybody know of any company(or persons) > that make any of these things? > > particularly the random midi info generation > or fx processor > hell, any of it > > i have the k2000 which has a hidden random dsp thing but its a pain to work > with > > appreciate the help > > rodrigo > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > Subject: Re: random tone, and midi data generators > Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 23:46:03 -0400 > From: Tim Nelson > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > I'm not sure if this is the sort of thing you're talking about, but > you > might enjoy the Koan generative software by SSEYO. > > It's used by Jamuud of Loop Guru, Brian Eno, etc. > > Also, I've seen some mention of using fractal software for sound > generation, but haven't tried it myself. Try a search of the fractal > sites, > and you might find something along those lines. > > Tim > > I think I'm coming off like a broken record on this -- synonymous, don't you know, with looping (have there been any threads to date on record skips and the loopers who love them? Perhaps on the next Oprah...) -- but MAX has got your number. And it's a random number. As an object-oriented programming environment, there are several pre-existing objects that'd do that trick and several others. Like, say, the object "random," which, per a prompt, spits out a series of random numbers within a given range, with the chance to re-seed the parameters of such "randomness" at any time. One of my favorite objects along these lines is the "drunk" object, which lists (in at least two senses) back and forth along a given range of numbers within an equally listful given range of steps; e.g., a range like 1-7 with a steps range of 3 could produce a series of numbers like, oh, I don't know, say: 1, 4, 7, 6, 3, 2, 4, 5, 5, 5, 5, 2, 2, 2, 2, &c. Such strange and wholly perplexing harmonies have come forth to startle me into an uneasily contemplative state courtesy of this "drunk" object, on those cool summer evenings when I put on my chiffon sari and blow off my AA meeting. Other examples? Yes, sir, I should bleeding well say so, sir; MAX has got several skinned cats waiting for you when it comes to randomness/MIDI. All this MAX evangelism should, by rights, land me marketing gig @ Gibson -- me, I'm holding out for the corporate EDP time-share... Koan is sorta cool, although it's a wee too close to those pre-programmed styles one gets on first-generation Casio portable keyboards for some likings; or one liking, even -- rhumba in A minor at 120 BPM, anyone? Fractal music generation software will give you lots of notes, all right. You might also be interested in the Linn Drum/Kajagoogoo ("What are the 1980's, Alex?") of interactive computer software, M, which hews to a similar trajectory as that noted above. The 80's revival continues unabated, with a new version of M being marketed by Mr. MAX, David Zicarelli, his website being http://www.cycling74.com. Those more fearless programming types amongst ye might get all moist-like over http://www.softsynth.com, where you can discover the wonders of HMSL (Hierarchical Music Specification Language -- MIDI * Forth = very few contra dance gigs), and implementation of Java to MIDI/audio files, so as to make such things as websites all random and/or musical. These are some very powerful tools, provided you can work past the indignity of having something that sounds so dynamic and unpredictable declared as both "static" and "void" in your code. ----------------------------------------------------------------- ~ > --- James Keepnews --- < "Don't quote anybody, Sir!" (.-.) > -- Multimedia Yahoo -- < \ * -- Krishnamurti - > - keepnews@node.net - < ----------------------------------------------------------------- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jul 13 20:43:17 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA30553; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 20:43:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 20:43:17 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Kriist@aol.com Message-ID: <2dfc4091.24bd3614@aol.com> Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 20:38:44 EDT Subject: MAX and PC's To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 Resent-Message-ID: <"R2NcU.0.FK7.HmzYt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6904 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com in my recent inquries on random midi and pitch stuff ive gotten alot of feedback on MAX now as far as i know this is a strictly mac thing is there any pc equivalent? rodrigo From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jul 13 22:04:08 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA08592; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 22:04:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 22:04:08 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <378BF016.6A2BE7F4@cedar-rapids.net> Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 21:04:06 -0500 From: Jon Southwood X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.07 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: MAX and PC's References: <2dfc4091.24bd3614@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"w0k4p3.0.iu1.Rx-Yt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6905 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Rodrigo, The nearest "equivalent" on the PC is Keykit. It is free to download from: http://209.233.20.72/keykit/index.html There are versions for Win9x, Linux, and Mac (I think). Worth checking out. Cheers, Jon Southwood noj@cedar-rapids.net From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jul 13 22:35:11 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA13215; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 22:35:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 22:35:11 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199907140232.WAA18899@emh1.pa.net> X-Sender: rswitzer@mail.pa.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 22:30:32 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Robert Switzer Subject: Re: MAX and PC's In-Reply-To: <2dfc4091.24bd3614@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"0Dfz22.0.t33.3Q_Yt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6907 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 08:38 PM 7/13/99 -0400, you wrote: >in my recent inquries on random midi and pitch stuff ive gotten >alot of >feedback on MAX >now as far as i know this is a strictly mac thing >is there any pc equivalent? Keykit is probably the most powerful, flexible PC equivalent, but you might also want to look at a program called Building Blocks -- http://www.midiworld.com/AuReality. Intel ports of Max/MSP are rumored to be coming soon for both NT and BeOS, though I've heard nothing lately. I finally retired my tired old 68k Mac, upgraded to a G3/400, and took a look at MAX 3.5 plus MSP -- I can definitely see what all the fuss is about -- this is a *very* potent and flexible combination :-). rob From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jul 13 22:31:46 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA12614; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 22:31:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 22:31:46 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Kriist@aol.com Message-ID: <9c3a20f.24bd4fb9@aol.com> Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 22:28:09 EDT Subject: Re: MAX and PC's To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 Resent-Message-ID: <"uecXn3.0.su2.kM_Yt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6906 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com very neat im downloading it right now rodrigo In a message dated 7/13/99 10:05:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time, noj@cedar-rapids.net writes: > Rodrigo, > > The nearest "equivalent" on the PC is Keykit. It is free to download > from: > > http://209.233.20.72/keykit/index.html > > There are versions for Win9x, Linux, and Mac (I think). Worth checking > out From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jul 13 23:45:05 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA21405; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 23:45:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 23:45:05 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <378C155E.241ED29D@mailbox.syr.edu> Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 23:43:14 -0500 From: Mark Sottilaro Reply-To: msottila@mailbox.syr.edu X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Attn all loopers: Cross country looping References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"dLJdG.0.p35.4Q0Zt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6908 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Attention all loopers: Somewhere around the 21st of this month I will be making an expedition from Syracuse to San Francisco. I will be going south via Rt. 40, through LA and up the California cost. I'll be keeping a web log of the trip that I'll be updating via a laptop and public access computers with web access. (public libraries, cyber cafes if I can find them) So, if any of you along the route want to have their loops become part of the page, and meet a fellow looper, let me know. I've got equipment to scan photos and digitize audio. Also, if you know of some especially cool truck stop or "mystery anomaly site" along the way, I'd love to hear and document it. See you in SF! Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jul 14 00:09:18 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA24340; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 00:09:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 00:09:18 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <001901becdae$2e39dc20$a022dacf@sgoodman> Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: , References: <378C155E.241ED29D@mailbox.syr.edu> Subject: Re: Attn all loopers: Cross country looping Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 21:05:58 -0700 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Resent-Message-ID: <"8c1xd2.0.vr5.Co0Zt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6910 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Ah, Syracuse! Spent '77-79 up there. In 1984 on the way out to LA, I was rushed to make it in due time, but found a few gems along the way. Way out on the 40, in Oklahoma, there's a coffee shop and gas station that's on a naked crossroads just south of Muskogee. That's right folks, as in "Okie From Muskogee". The crossroads is classic four-directions-to-nowhere kind of imagery; and the jukebox has ONLY Merle Haggard songs on it. Also, try to schedule your drive so that you get to the Painted Desert just before sunset. This is of course in Arizona, a bit short of Flagstaff and the mountains. (While I scheduled my trip in '84 this way, it was raining/snowing, alas). Stephen Goodman * It's the Loop of the Week! EarthLight Productions * http://www.earthlight.net ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark Sottilaro To: Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 1999 9:43 PM Subject: Attn all loopers: Cross country looping > Attention all loopers: > > Somewhere around the 21st of this month I will be making an expedition > from Syracuse to San Francisco. I will be going south via Rt. 40, > through LA and up the California cost. I'll be keeping a web log of the > trip that I'll be updating via a laptop and public access computers with > web access. (public libraries, cyber cafes if I can find them) > > So, if any of you along the route want to have their loops become part > of the page, and meet a fellow looper, let me know. I've got equipment > to scan photos and digitize audio. Also, if you know of some especially > cool truck stop or "mystery anomaly site" along the way, I'd love to > hear and document it. > > See you in SF! > > Mark Sottilaro > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jul 13 23:55:08 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA22796; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 23:55:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 23:55:08 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199907140352.XAA22393@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Subject: Re: MAX and PC's Date: Tue, 13 Jul 99 21:52:35 -0000 x-sender: smonroe@pop.ecentral.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: S Monroe To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <"ZiP7R1.0.9U5.gb0Zt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6909 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >in my recent inquries on random midi and pitch stuff ive gotten alot of >feedback on MAX >now as far as i know this is a strictly mac thing >is there any pc equivalent? Actually...there is a quite good PC equavalent, but you need to be running WindowsNT or Linux. It is called "Pure Data." Like Max, Pure Data was invented by Miller Puckette. You could do a search on "Pure Data" along with "Miller Puckette", and would probably find it pretty quick. It follows the same kind of "connect the blocks" programming paradigm as Max does. It is available at http://man104nfs.ucsd.edu/~mpuckett/software.html If you are running Linux on your PC, there is a new free version of Max called jMax. It is available from IRCAM at http://www.ircam.fr/equipes/temps-reel/jmax/ Finally, as a max user, there have been intimations by David Zicarelli (the guy responsible for the port of Max from the Next machines at IRCAM to the Mac) that a PC version may be coming around soon. possible infor at http://www.cycling74.com > >rodrigo From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jul 14 01:07:11 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA02077; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 01:07:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 01:07:11 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 23:03:47 -0600 (MDT) From: Henry Throop To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Subject: FA: EDP on ebay Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"_5kYh3.0.QN.Ge1Zt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6911 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I'm sadly giving up my 'plex... Oberheim Echoplex Digital Pro, 5.0 ROM, 108 seconds memory, like new. http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=130464571 (main unit) http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=130465934 (footpedal) Thanks, -Henry throop@colorado.edu From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jul 14 04:52:33 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA24766; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 04:52:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 04:52:33 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <378C155E.241ED29D@mailbox.syr.edu> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 01:43:20 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Attn all loopers: Cross country looping Resent-Message-ID: <"4P76U.0.br5.Lr4Zt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6912 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 9:43 PM -0700 7/13/99, Mark Sottilaro wrote: >Attention all loopers: > >Somewhere around the 21st of this month I will be making an expedition >from Syracuse to San Francisco. I will be going south via Rt. 40, >through LA and up the California cost. I'll be keeping a web log of the >trip that I'll be updating via a laptop and public access computers with >web access. (public libraries, cyber cafes if I can find them) > >So, if any of you along the route want to have their loops become part >of the page, and meet a fellow looper, let me know. I've got equipment >to scan photos and digitize audio. Also, if you know of some especially >cool truck stop or "mystery anomaly site" along the way, I'd love to >hear and document it. three suggested stops: 1. the world famous Men's room urinal at the Madonna Inn just north of San Luis Obisbo. Awe inspiring. 2. The even more famous Mystery Spot in Santa Cruz, which I just went to for the first time last weekend after living in the bay area all my life. American Kitsch at it's finest there. (what will loops do in the Mystery Spot? roll uphill? please report back.) 3. Top your trip off with a Fuzzy Navel at the Hot 'n Chunky on Market in SF, the only gay karaoke bar I know of. A uniquely San Francisco experience. Not sure what will happen if you ask them about looping there, but please let me know. and give a hollar when you get here, maybe it's a fine opportunity for bay area loopers to gather for a beer somewhere. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jul 14 08:23:25 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA07188; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 08:23:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 08:23:25 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Kriist@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 08:18:26 EDT Subject: a little help? photocells, slightly off topic To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 Resent-Message-ID: <"D7vY7.0.fd1.F08Zt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6913 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com i know this isnt quite loopy but i know theres alot of techies on this list and i could really use the help all of the photocell talk on another list (oddmusic)got me all hot and bothered i set out to swap out the pot in my wah pedal for a photoresister (mind you, im not good at this stuff) much to my dismay my morley wah doesnt work on a pot it has some quirky LED setup to control the sweep im stumped here would i have to find a crybaby wah to do this to or can i swap out the LED circuitry for the photocell? would it LED be the same value as its pot counterpart? any morley wah owners? thanks in advance rodrigo From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jul 14 08:58:01 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA10876; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 08:58:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 08:58:01 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <378C411A.D95D49DC@texas.net> Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 07:49:50 +0000 From: Bobdog Reply-To: psbuddha@texas.net Organization: Pseudo Buddha/Doghouse Ent. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: a little help? photocells, slightly off topic References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"OU_BK3.0.hQ2.aT8Zt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6914 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com rodrigo - your morley is working on a photocel. the led is on one side of a black piece of pressed paper mounted to the pedal, the photocel is on the other. as you move the action of the pedal the paper adjusts how much light the photocel is exposed to, thus using electronic voodoo the change your tone/volume/whatever. bobdog > i set out to swap out the pot in my wah pedal for a photoresister > (mind you, im not good at this stuff) > much to my dismay > my morley wah doesnt work on a pot > it has some quirky LED setup to control the sweep From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jul 14 09:04:57 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA11718; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 09:04:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 09:04:57 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <70CA3F163AFED21197F100805FBB030F32C093@whi_exchange.malcolmpirnie.com> From: "Wordsman, Lee" To: "Looper's Delight (E-mail)" Subject: RE: Attn all loopers: Cross country looping Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 08:58:05 -0400 Importance: low X-Priority: 5 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <"TF2BR1.0.Rc2.WZ8Zt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6915 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Don't forget to start your trip off at the Little Gem Diner in Syracuse which was recently immortalized in Martin Sexton's song entitled "Diner". P.S. if your on Rt. 17 in southern NY don't forget to "Meet me at the Roscoe" in Roscoe, NY. Sorry for the complete diversion from our regularly scheduled loopage. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jul 14 09:52:01 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA18395; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 09:52:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 09:52:01 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <003d01becdfe$02294940$71844d0c@infinia> Reply-To: "Ian Naismith" From: "Ian Naismith" To: Subject: Unsubscribe Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 09:37:24 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003A_01BECDDC.7A469DA0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: <"qOMvo3.0.qw3.sB9Zt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6916 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003A_01BECDDC.7A469DA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable UNSUBSRIBE ------=_NextPart_000_003A_01BECDDC.7A469DA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_003A_01BECDDC.7A469DA0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jul 14 10:29:28 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA25503; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 10:29:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 10:29:28 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990714140854.83555.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [165.227.130.202] From: "David Potter" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Attn all loopers: Cross country looping Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 07:08:50 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"n46S_3.0.cD5.ld9Zt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6917 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Attention all loopers from Mark Sottilaro Thanks Kim for the Hot tips. 1.the echos from my rig bouncing off the urinal at the Madonna Inn in San Luis Obispo was awe inspiring.Some of my best recorded loops. 2.Loops do roll up hill at the Mystery Spot in Santa Cruz though they appear to roll down.From my lap top the sound is clearly captured and the uphill movement is breathtaking. 3.Because of your letter I was able to get a part time job at the Hot and Chunky on Market Street.Everyone loves my looper which I have interfaced with the Karaoke bar and gives a Hole new twist to Y.M.C.A. Love those fuzzy navels, I'm out of control after 3 of them. More later...Mark Sottilaro >From: Kim Flint >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Subject: Re: Attn all loopers: Cross country looping >Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 01:43:20 -0700 > >At 9:43 PM -0700 7/13/99, Mark Sottilaro wrote: > >Attention all loopers: > > > >Somewhere around the 21st of this month I will be making an expedition > >from Syracuse to San Francisco. I will be going south via Rt. 40, > >through LA and up the California cost. I'll be keeping a web log of the > >trip that I'll be updating via a laptop and public access computers with > >web access. (public libraries, cyber cafes if I can find them) > > > >So, if any of you along the route want to have their loops become part > >of the page, and meet a fellow looper, let me know. I've got equipment > >to scan photos and digitize audio. Also, if you know of some especially > >cool truck stop or "mystery anomaly site" along the way, I'd love to > >hear and document it. > >three suggested stops: > >1. the world famous Men's room urinal at the Madonna Inn just north of San >Luis Obisbo. Awe inspiring. > >2. The even more famous Mystery Spot in Santa Cruz, which I just went to >for the first time last weekend after living in the bay area all my life. >American Kitsch at it's finest there. (what will loops do in the Mystery >Spot? roll uphill? please report back.) > >3. Top your trip off with a Fuzzy Navel at the Hot 'n Chunky on Market in >SF, the only gay karaoke bar I know of. A uniquely San Francisco >experience. Not sure what will happen if you ask them about looping there, >but please let me know. > >and give a hollar when you get here, maybe it's a fine opportunity for bay >area loopers to gather for a beer somewhere. > >kim > >______________________________________________________________________ >Kim Flint | Looper's Delight >kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html >http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > > _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jul 14 12:03:18 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA10654; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 12:03:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 12:03:18 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <378CC08B.B0F06F78@mailbox.syr.edu> Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 11:53:43 -0500 From: Mark Sottilaro Reply-To: msottila@mailbox.syr.edu X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Attn all loopers: Cross country looping References: <19990714140854.83555.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Iu3rx2.0.9y1.P6BZt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6920 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > Attention all loopers from Mark Sottilaro > Thanks Kim for the Hot tips. > 1.the echos from my rig bouncing off the urinal at the Madonna Inn in San > Luis Obispo was awe inspiring.Some of my best recorded loops. > 2.Loops do roll up hill at the Mystery Spot in Santa Cruz though they appear > to roll down.From my lap top the sound is clearly captured and > the uphill movement is breathtaking. > 3.Because of your letter I was able to get a part time job at the Hot and > Chunky on Market Street.Everyone loves my looper which I have interfaced > with the Karaoke bar and gives a Hole new twist to Y.M.C.A. > Love those fuzzy navels, I'm out of control after 3 of them. > More later...Mark Sottilaro > Well, I really didn't write this, but it's damn funny. Thanks David, anytime you do something cool, just feel free to sign my name to it. Mark (the real one) Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jul 14 11:49:24 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA07872; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 11:49:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 11:49:24 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: KB305@aol.com Message-ID: <1e105939.24be0616@aol.com> Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 11:26:14 EDT Subject: Re: Attn all loopers: Cross country looping To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 4 Resent-Message-ID: <"o3l-01.0.xn.YmAZt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6919 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 7/14/99 9:30:26 AM Central Daylight Time, papadave55@hotmail.com writes: << the echos from my rig bouncing off the urinal at the Madonna Inn in San Luis Obispo was awe inspiring. >> Your rig bounced off the urinal? I bet that DID echo. k From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jul 14 12:24:23 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA14612; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 12:24:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 12:24:23 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <011901bece11$ad2fa7e0$2d2310ac@Douglas> From: "K. Douglas Baldwin" To: "Michael P. Hughes, PhD" , "Loopers-Delight" Subject: Re: Things are quiet 'round here Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 11:49:05 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"gpcbA1.0.7M2.ZEBZt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6921 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Subject: Things are quiet 'round here > >Of those of us who are left, has anybody tried inserting FX into their >feedback loops? I've been thinking about this - it strikes me as a great way >to "thicken up" a loop, but on the other hand once the signal's been around >the FB loop a few times it'd be so effected it'd sound like an exposion at >Digitech's Preset factory. Comments? Mike- I've used effects in feedback loops quite a bit. First time was with an EH 16-second delay; I added an Ibanez pitch shifter to add an upper octave to the repeats because the EH just totally ate up frequencies above 2k at the longer delay settings. It worked in a cool, weird way. Knob settings are very critical, as you can imagine. Too much signal or effect and your regeneration goes blooey. (And that's NOT Belew-ey) I've also added an Alesis Microverb to the feedback chain so that the original note gets hazier and hazier. Kinda makes the sound disappear into a cloud of fog. With any feedback loop, you obviously must split the signal and reenter it with your primary source, unless the device has a prewired aux in. Set regeneration or feedback to minimum and begin with fairly short delays (1 or 2 seconds) to hear what will happen. Have a ball. Or a series of infinitely receeding balls. Which may be what you get when attaching alligator clips to your Johnson. Douglas Baldwin From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jul 14 12:40:22 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA18068; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 12:40:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 12:40:22 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Reply-To: "m.hughes" From: "Michael P. Hughes, PhD" To: "K. Douglas Baldwin" , Loopers-Delight Subject: RE: Things are quiet 'round here Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 17:29:07 -0700 Message-ID: <002201bece59$0c8cfc50$acb6e383@me-biopc-22.mech.surrey.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <011901bece11$ad2fa7e0$2d2310ac@Douglas> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"AjuV-1.0.mw3.OiBZt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6922 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Douglas: > I've also added an Alesis Microverb to the feedback chain > so that the original note gets hazier and hazier. Kinda makes the > sound disappear into a cloud of fog. Now that sounds nice - probably the kind of thing I was envisaging. That, and putting a delay in the feedback loop; imagine the MPX's 5.7 sec delay in the JM's 32 sec loops... >With any feedback loop, you obviously must split the signal >and reenter it with your primary source, unless the device has a >prewired aux in. Set regeneration or feedback to minimum and begin with >fairly short delays (1 or 2 seconds) to hear what will happen. I use the "stereo" inputs on the JM; the input goes in on the left, summed to mono through the loops, comes out on the left output, through a volume pedal and back into the right input. Master output comes out of the right output. Feedback level is set by carefully balancing the input and output levels; I'm planning on putting a pot in the feedback loop for fine-tuning the level. >Have a ball. Or a series of infinitely receeding balls. Which may > be what you get when attaching alligator clips to your Johnson. I take it that's not the amp yer referring to... =:0 _____________________________________________________________ Mike Hughes, Ph.D. Tel: (+44) 1483 300800 x2344 Lecturer in Biomedical Engineering, Fax: (+44) 1483 306039 University of Surrey, EMail: m.hughes@surrey.ac.uk Guildford, Surrey, UK www.surrey.ac.uk/MME/Research/BioMed From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jul 14 13:41:50 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA29729; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 13:41:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 13:41:50 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990714170843.9413.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [166.38.44.108] From: "P.Boss Music" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Attn all loopers: Cross country looping Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 10:08:42 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"AJ6P31.0.kY6.3WCZt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6923 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Ya, I wanna gather with the bay area loopers for a beer or several... PBOSS ----Original Message Follows---- From: Kim Flint Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Attn all loopers: Cross country looping Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 01:43:20 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 >From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jul 14 01:52:12 1999 Received: from [209.239.39.1] by hotmail.com (1.5) with SMTP id MHotMailB9559A930032D82197B1D1EF2701073B0; Wed Jul 14 01:52:12 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost)by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA24672;Wed, 14 Jul 1999 04:51:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 04:51:03 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <378C155E.241ED29D@mailbox.syr.edu> References: Resent-Message-ID: <"4P76U.0.br5.Lr4Zt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6912 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 9:43 PM -0700 7/13/99, Mark Sottilaro wrote: >Attention all loopers: > >Somewhere around the 21st of this month I will be making an expedition >from Syracuse to San Francisco. I will be going south via Rt. 40, >through LA and up the California cost. I'll be keeping a web log of the >trip that I'll be updating via a laptop and public access computers with >web access. (public libraries, cyber cafes if I can find them) > >So, if any of you along the route want to have their loops become part >of the page, and meet a fellow looper, let me know. I've got equipment >to scan photos and digitize audio. Also, if you know of some especially >cool truck stop or "mystery anomaly site" along the way, I'd love to >hear and document it. three suggested stops: 1. the world famous Men's room urinal at the Madonna Inn just north of San Luis Obisbo. Awe inspiring. 2. The even more famous Mystery Spot in Santa Cruz, which I just went to for the first time last weekend after living in the bay area all my life. American Kitsch at it's finest there. (what will loops do in the Mystery Spot? roll uphill? please report back.) 3. Top your trip off with a Fuzzy Navel at the Hot 'n Chunky on Market in SF, the only gay karaoke bar I know of. A uniquely San Francisco experience. Not sure what will happen if you ask them about looping there, but please let me know. and give a hollar when you get here, maybe it's a fine opportunity for bay area loopers to gather for a beer somewhere. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jul 14 13:57:54 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA32627; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 13:57:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 13:57:54 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990714174713.5000.rocketmail@web122.yahoomail.com> Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 10:47:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Bret Subject: when the EDP upgrade is ready To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"2sIkN2.0.cR7.MpCZt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6924 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Kim, I realize that you don't control how Gibson handles distribution of firmware upgrades, but perhaps you could voice a request to them from me. When they begin sales of Eproms with new firmware for the EDP, could they allow us to return the old Eproms for a bit of credit? I don't mind paying for the code, but it seems wasteful to throw away working Eproms, and buy 2 more per EDP. After all, Eproms are eraseable and reprogrammable. Why not recycle them? When the next code upgrade is available I will have accumulated 10 edp eproms from older revs. All I really need is the new programming. thanks, bret > >Kim, if you're serious, are you talking about an > >upgrade that will double the delay time at a lower > >rate or halve the time at a higher rate? I'm > >borrowing jargon here so excuse me if it's a stupid > >question! > > It sure looks like I'm talking about that, doesn't > it? hmmmmmm..... > > However, I'm really intrigued by that use of the g > word. > > kim > > _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jul 14 14:32:40 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA06860; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 14:32:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 14:32:40 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: cbm@mail.well.com (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199907140352.XAA22393@rosy.yourwebhost.com> References: <199907140352.XAA22393@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 21:39:57 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Chris Muir Subject: Re: MAX and PC's Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <"1t_lK.0.Np.dCDZt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6925 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 9:52 PM +0000 7/13/99, S Monroe wrote: > Finally, as a max user, there have been intimations by > David Zicarelli (the guy responsible for the port of > Max from the Next machines at IRCAM to the Mac) > that a PC version may be coming around soon. possible > infor at http://www.cycling74.com In the name of historical accuracy: Max started out on the Mac, then was ported to the NeXT machine as part of the ISPW (IRCAM Signal Processing Workstation) effort. At about the same time there was some effort spent in finding Max a home for commercial "exploitation". It was slated to go to Intelligent Music (R.I.P.), but when Intelligent Music started to "go south", Max found a home at Opcode. Chris _________________________________________________________ The optimist sees a glass half full... | Chris Muir The pessimist sees a glass half empty... | cbm@well.com The realist sees a glass twice as big as it needs to be. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jul 14 16:15:53 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA28091; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 16:15:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 16:15:53 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990714195110.45584.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [131.107.3.79] From: "g716" To: References: <19990714140854.83555.qmail@hotmail.com> <378CA29A.8C48E801@minds-eye.org> Subject: Re: Midi controllers Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 12:49:55 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2918.2701 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2918.2701 Resent-Message-ID: <"jczFB3.0.Zk5.heEZt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6926 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I'm doing the same thing and found what's supposed to be a very decent controller for $113 on ebay. It's the Digital Music Corp controller (see link below for a fellow looper's usage). Actually, I don't even have it yet, the seller just shipped it yesterday. I hope it lives up to my expectations (basically hands free operation WITH alpha-based names!!! Every time I pay over $100 for an effect with patches like A34, or 4-1-2, I could shoot someone. I've no idea why more companies don't use a simple 10 - 20 character display and increase the cost -- it can't be *that* much, can it?) http://home1.gte.net/artmusic/dave/devices3.htm also see: http://www.voodoolab.com/gcsystem.html I think they run around $200 - $250 new. ----- Original Message ----- From: Kevin To: Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 1999 7:45 AM Subject: Midi controllers > Hello all, > > would anyone have any advice on good, reasonably priced, Midi controllers (I > can't seem to find a PMC10 (as advertised on the Looper's Delight Web Page!) > with the remote programmer)? I'm a fledgling Midi guitarist looking to add some > controls, etc. > > Thanks for any help > > Kevin > (someone has to bring the level of discussion back down to basics now and again > eh?) > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jul 14 17:30:45 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA08918; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 17:30:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 17:30:45 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Future Perfect" To: Subject: RE: Midi controllers Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 17:09:38 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 In-Reply-To: <19990714195110.45584.qmail@hotmail.com> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <"JkfNN3.0.SJ1.KnFZt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6927 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thanks for sending people to my page! However, just to clear it up, I do not use the Ground Control to control my 'Plex, I use it to switch patches on my guitar preamp and my rack mount guitar synth system, and it works wonderfully for that. The Ground Control sits on the floor in front of me, and just behind it, on a 19"x4"1" piece of wood is the Plex pedal. Using the wood gets the Plex pedal at the right level so I can reach over the Ground Control and get to the buttons. Dave Eichenberger- guitars.loops.devices http://home1.gte.net/artmusic/dave   'Future Perfect' - art music http://home1.gte.net/artmusic/ > > I'm doing the same thing and found what's supposed to be a very decent > controller for $113 on ebay. It's the Digital Music Corp controller (see > link below for a fellow looper's usage). Actually, I don't even have it > yet, the seller just shipped it yesterday. I hope it lives up to my > expectations (basically hands free operation WITH alpha-based > names!!! Every > time I pay over $100 for an effect with patches like A34, or > 4-1-2, I could > shoot someone. I've no idea why more companies don't use a simple 10 - 20 > character display and increase the cost -- it can't be *that* > much, can it?) > > http://home1.gte.net/artmusic/dave/devices3.htm > also see: > http://www.voodoolab.com/gcsystem.html > > I think they run around $200 - $250 new. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jul 14 23:06:50 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA27027; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 23:06:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 23:06:50 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: m1cha3l@mail.earthlink.net (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199907140735.DAA18390@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 20:11:40 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Michael Tuminello Subject: OT: distortion pedal advice Resent-Message-ID: <"fCcu82.0._S6.RzKZt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6928 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hey all - I know this is completely unrelated, but I thought I could benefit from the collective wisdom of the loopers. I'm looking for a distorion pedal. I have a Danelectro overdrive, but I feel like it may be too warm a sound, and I have some feeling that it might be adding a lot of noise to my signal. Then again I'm not sure, because I live in electro-magnetic guitar hell (I get the radio over my amp sometimes - it's hard to concentrate when Barbra Streisand starts singing through your amp). I'm really more into a more metallic synthetic grit than a warm fuzz. I'm particularly a Prince fan, but you could think NIN, Duran Duran, vs. the warm fuzzy classic rock sound. I'm thinking something in the RAT family. I've heard good things. Or maybe I'm just missing something as far as amp/tone/pedal settings go (the Danelectro pedal has high mid and bass knobs). Any opinions? Michael From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jul 15 00:24:12 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA06740; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 00:24:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 00:24:12 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: KB305@aol.com Message-ID: <40520f97.24beba44@aol.com> Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 00:15:00 EDT Subject: Re: OT: distortion pedal advice To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 10 Resent-Message-ID: <"V5qZp1.0.vr.81MZt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6929 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 7/14/99 10:07:48 PM Central Daylight Time, m1cha3l@earthlink.net writes: << Any opinions? >> I've used my trusty RAT since 1983. It can make a lot of different types of distortion -- experimenting with the filter control is helpful. I've found that different brands and ages of batteries produce different tones. This is probably true of all them stomp boxes. I really dig good old tube amp distortion, and my current amp, a Budda, provides tons of it if I want it, but I have to crank it pretty loud to get it. Usually too loud for most places I play. Certainly too loud for practicing at home. A guitar tone is always a personal thing. I've come to believe that tone lives in my fingers, my touch, not in my gear. As far as your radio-interception problem: shielding may help. I bet it can make for some cool stuff in your loops though. Hey, anyone wanna share their rigs' signal-paths... regardless of your source material? kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jul 15 01:31:27 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA15693; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 01:31:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 01:31:27 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <378D2AF0.71EFFD6C@texas.net> Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 00:27:30 +0000 From: Bobdog Reply-To: psbuddha@texas.net Organization: Pseudo Buddha/Doghouse Ent. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: OT: distortion pedal advice References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"2DiBR3.0.5f3.y4NZt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6931 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com hi michael - you might oughta try the boss digital metalizer; very synthetic, very gritty. or the boss metal zone; very diamond dimebag, very scooped mid metallica/anthrax. bobdog, reformed king of metal Michael Tuminello wrote: > Hey all - > > I know this is completely unrelated, but I thought I could benefit from the > collective wisdom of the loopers. > > I'm looking for a distorion pedal. I have a Danelectro overdrive, but I > feel like it may be too warm a sound, and I have some feeling that it might > be adding a lot of noise to my signal. Then again I'm not sure, because I > live in electro-magnetic guitar hell (I get the radio over my amp sometimes > - it's hard to concentrate when Barbra Streisand starts singing through > your amp). I'm really more into a more metallic synthetic grit than a warm > fuzz. I'm particularly a Prince fan, but you could think NIN, Duran Duran, > vs. the warm fuzzy classic rock sound. > > I'm thinking something in the RAT family. I've heard good things. Or > maybe I'm just missing something as far as amp/tone/pedal settings go (the > Danelectro pedal has high mid and bass knobs). > > Any opinions? > > Michael From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jul 15 01:18:01 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA14150; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 01:18:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 01:18:01 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <010d01bece81$8179d1a0$935bdfc8@doutor> From: "Julio Moreno" To: References: Subject: Re: distortion pedal advice Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 02:18:41 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Resent-Message-ID: <"adjYs3.0.OL3.8vMZt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6930 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Rat family = Marshall guv'nor. The best for me: Boss Metal Zone and Sans Amp GT2 ( both can run together with a Sans Amp Tri OD with gooood results). Tri OD it's gooooood to warm old'n'goods distortions.Good drive!!! Julio ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael Tuminello To: Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 1999 9:11 PM Subject: OT: distortion pedal advice > Hey all - > > I know this is completely unrelated, but I thought I could benefit from the > collective wisdom of the loopers. > > I'm looking for a distorion pedal. I have a Danelectro overdrive, but I > feel like it may be too warm a sound, and I have some feeling that it might > be adding a lot of noise to my signal. Then again I'm not sure, because I > live in electro-magnetic guitar hell (I get the radio over my amp sometimes > - it's hard to concentrate when Barbra Streisand starts singing through > your amp). I'm really more into a more metallic synthetic grit than a warm > fuzz. I'm particularly a Prince fan, but you could think NIN, Duran Duran, > vs. the warm fuzzy classic rock sound. > > I'm thinking something in the RAT family. I've heard good things. Or > maybe I'm just missing something as far as amp/tone/pedal settings go (the > Danelectro pedal has high mid and bass knobs). > > Any opinions? > > Michael > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jul 15 04:37:22 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA04220; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 04:37:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 04:37:22 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <19990714174713.5000.rocketmail@web122.yahoomail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 01:28:57 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: when the EDP upgrade is ready Resent-Message-ID: <"f0VD43.0.rn.zkPZt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6932 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 10:47 AM -0700 7/14/99, Bret wrote: >Kim, >I realize that you don't control how Gibson handles >distribution of firmware upgrades, but perhaps you >could voice a request to them from me. "hmmmm" >When they begin sales of Eproms with new firmware for >the EDP, could they allow us to return the old Eproms >for a bit of credit? I don't mind paying for the >code, but it seems wasteful to throw away working >Eproms, and buy 2 more per EDP. > >After all, Eproms are eraseable and reprogrammable. >Why not recycle them? two eproms cost about $2.50, probably less. subtract postage, labor for organizing it, putting the used ones in the eraser, depreciation for used electronics parts, etc., and your credit is going to be pretty damn small. I wouldn't expect much there. >When the next code upgrade is available I will have >accumulated 10 edp eproms from older revs. All I >really need is the new programming. You should save them. That LD3.3.0 code could have vintage value someday. :-) kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jul 15 05:42:53 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA09972; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 05:42:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 05:42:53 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <378DAA20.6FF2@voicenet.com> Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 05:30:08 -0400 From: legion X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: OT: distortion pedal advice References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"ZeaGc1.0.KC2.JhQZt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6933 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Michael Tuminello wrote: > I'm looking for a distorion pedal. > I'm particularly a Prince fan, but you could think NIN, Duran Duran, > vs. the warm fuzzy classic rock sound. I've found the Proco TURBO Rat to be the most used pedal in my 50+ stmpbox collection. Well at least the most used distrotion. It sounds great on just about everything including guitar and heavily processed guitar. I've tried seven RAT pedals and always come back to the Turbo for tone as well as overall flexibilty of sound. Two other options; Ibanez Fat Cat - Warm thick sound with a very effective EQ knob Boss HM2 - It says heavy metal but if you mess with the high and low EQ knobs and gain level you'll get a lto more. The best part? All of these pedals are readily available and cheap as hell. (Well the fat cat is growing in vintage status but still can be found cheap most of the time). If you can't find one locally Daddy's used gear by mail usually has 2-10 in stock at any time for under $50. buy 'em all! On a final note you might want to check out the Korg (G4 ??) distortion processor. This is a red floor unit with 5 different distortion types and two filtered modes. Lots of control in EQ, gain, and such and you can set up 9 presets and switch from a warm overdrive to a 60s harmonic fuzz all with twidle control with one stomp. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- HELP WANTED PRODUCTIONS - Http://www.voicenet.com/~legion "Bringing you the best in Organic Electronic music since we started..." Home of the Unusual Instrument and Recording Gallery with pictures and info of Tube recorders, Omnichords, weird guitars, Casios, and more. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jul 15 07:53:55 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA22246; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 07:53:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 07:53:55 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199907151147.EAA05751@harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 07:47:44 -0400 Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V99 #288 From: "David Gross" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"0Hn7J2.0.hE5.4gSZt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6934 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I agree the GT2 is a great box. I also use the Morley PDW which is a wah, volume, and distortion pedal. -- --- David Gross "a great musician needs to be committed!' http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Venue/7773/ ---------- >From: Loopers-Delight-d-request@annihilist.com >To: Loopers-Delight-d@annihilist.com >Subject: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V99 #288 >Date: Thu, Jul 15, 1999, 4:55 AM > > Content-Type: text/plain > > Loopers-Delight-d Digest Volume 99 : Issue 288 > > Today's Topics: > Re: distortion pedal advice [ "Julio Moreno" > Administrivia: > Looper's Delight > **************** > > Please send posts to: > > Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > > Don't send them to the digest! > > To subscribe/unsubscribe to the Loopers-Delight digest version, send email > with "subscribe" (or "unsubscribe") in both the subject and the body, with no > signature files, to: > > Loopers-Delight-d-request@annihilist.com > > > To subscribe/unsubscribe to the real Loopers-Delight list, send email > with "subscribe" (or "unsubscribe") in both the subject and the body, with no > signature files, to: > > Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > > > Check the web page for archives and lots of other goodies! > > http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html > > > Your humble list maintainer, > > Kim Flint > kflint@annihilist.com > > Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 02:18:41 -0300 > From: "Julio Moreno" > To: > Subject: Re: distortion pedal advice > Message-ID: <010d01bece81$8179d1a0$935bdfc8@doutor> > Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > Rat family = Marshall guv'nor. The best for me: Boss Metal Zone and Sans Amp > GT2 ( both can run together with a Sans Amp Tri OD with gooood results). Tri > OD it's gooooood to warm old'n'goods distortions.Good drive!!! > Julio > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Michael Tuminello > To: > Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 1999 9:11 PM > Subject: OT: distortion pedal advice > > >> Hey all - >> >> I know this is completely unrelated, but I thought I could benefit from > the >> collective wisdom of the loopers. >> >> I'm looking for a distorion pedal. I have a Danelectro overdrive, but I >> feel like it may be too warm a sound, and I have some feeling that it > might >> be adding a lot of noise to my signal. Then again I'm not sure, because I >> live in electro-magnetic guitar hell (I get the radio over my amp > sometimes >> - it's hard to concentrate when Barbra Streisand starts singing through >> your amp). I'm really more into a more metallic synthetic grit than a > warm >> fuzz. I'm particularly a Prince fan, but you could think NIN, Duran > Duran, >> vs. the warm fuzzy classic rock sound. >> >> I'm thinking something in the RAT family. I've heard good things. Or >> maybe I'm just missing something as far as amp/tone/pedal settings go (the >> Danelectro pedal has high mid and bass knobs). >> >> Any opinions? >> >> Michael >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jul 15 09:56:48 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA05330; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 09:56:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 09:56:48 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 07:33:09 -0500 (CDT) Sender: crash@waste.org From: Todd Madson To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Distortions Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"3_nIw.0.Ge.pGUZt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6935 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Well, Michael Tuminello was looking for distortion. He NEEDS an MXR Blue Box. In one mode it's distorted, octave divided ring modulated hell. In the other, it's a really unusual synthetic sounding fuzz with sort of a clear high-endy sound.. Try one. The Blue box is especially effective looped, and especially if the loop is also sent through a Boss OC-2 octave divider and then into a Lexicon Vortex. As far as the RAT pedal, be wary that the current models are not the same as the old units and, in fact, the old units are in demand. They even came out with a "Classic Rat" which is similar to, but not identical to the old units. Another unit to look out for is the R2DU, which is two RAT pedals in a 19" rackmount which can be ganged together for super ultra saturated noise. Try before you buy. Your mileage may vary. There are a lot of possible distortion devices you could try out there. You might want to visit a music store and try a bunch of different fuzz pedals and try and describe the sound you want to them. Pedals to stay away from if you don't like warm, classic distortion: Ibanez Tube Screamer, Boss Blues Driver, TC Electronic Booster Line Driver, Chandler Tube Driver, etc. Twisted, weirdo pedals: DOD Gonkulator Modulator (distortion + ring modulation), DOD Buzz Box (Blue Box clone before MXR reissued that box), Electro-Harmonix Frequency Analyzer (twisted, weirdo ring modulation and other squishy strangeness), nearly anything by Zachary Vex, Boss Digital Metalizer, Penguin Love Game (really rare), Electro-Harmonix Micro Synthesizer (weirdo distortions + octave below + above with weird filtration), Boss Digital Harmonist, Boss DD-3 and DD-5 (loopers on a budget) delays, etc. He also mentioned that he wanted to go after a sort of Duran Duran sound, NiN,among others - some of these bands used TONs of chorus on the guitar, and compression too. So did Jamie-West Oram of the Fixx. I think DOD makes an "Ice Box" chorus for an especially penetrating high-end sound. Another good chorus is the TC electronic unit, as it has especially good fidelity and doesn't cut out any high-end. And don't forget computer based SFX - the weird premiere plug-in by bias called "SFX machine" has all sorts of weirdo stuff in it. I have a demo version and it's really weird. Todd Madson Musician, Mountain Biker, Stunt Kite Flyer, BeOS/MacOS/Linux/WinNt user. http://www.waste.org/~crash/index.html From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jul 15 09:45:35 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA03700; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 09:45:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 09:45:35 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: From: David Kirkdorffer To: "'Michael Tuminello'" , Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: distortion pedal advice Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 09:34:30 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2524.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <"PQhm33.0.6f.BHUZt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6936 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com If you can find and try a FUZZ FACTORY, you will be surprized! dk From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jul 15 11:03:38 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA17184; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 11:03:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 11:03:38 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: RA336@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 10:47:55 EDT Subject: Re: OT: distortion pedal advice To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 54 Resent-Message-ID: <"hKH9j1.0.Kb3.IKVZt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6937 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 7/14/99 10:07:48 PM, m1cha3l@earthlink.net writes: << I'm really more into a more metallic synthetic grit than a warm fuzz. I'm particularly a Prince fan, but you could think NIN, Duran Duran, vs. the warm fuzzy classic rock sound. >> Prescription Electronics "ExperiencePedal", or "Outbox"... fantastic psycho octave-up fuzzboxes.. guaranteed to please! also check out the "Fuzz Factory" by Z-Vex although the Prescription stuff is my fave... have fun, Robby Aceto From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jul 15 11:25:57 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA22180; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 11:25:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 11:25:57 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Sender: kapke@sgi.com Message-ID: <378DFA62.7175D209@sgi.com> Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 10:12:34 -0500 From: Eric Kapke X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51C-SGI [en] (X11; I; IRIX 6.5 IP22) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: 16 second delay Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"gijpT3.0.-d4.7gVZt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6938 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Greetings, I am trying to find out how to get my hands on an Electro-Harmonix 16 second delay pedal. If any one has any information it would be greatly appreciated. Thanks Eric Kapke From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jul 15 13:07:23 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA14057; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 13:07:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 13:07:23 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <2148EC143F29D1118BE000805FC13CD0DB568A@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: 16 second delay Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 13:00:28 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Resent-Message-ID: <"pR1Wh3.0.t-2.lFXZt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6939 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com until they reissue (hold down the laughter please) which they've been promising for something two years or more, it's basically earch for a long time and then be prepared to pay big bucks . . . i've heard of them going for anywhere from $1,500-2,000 . . . tho' there was a guy who sold one on harmony-central not too long ago for $100. a total anomaly tho' . . . stig > -----Original Message----- > From: Eric Kapke [SMTP:kapke@sgi.com] > Sent: Thursday, July 15, 1999 08:13 > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Subject: 16 second delay > > Greetings, > > I am trying to find out how to get my hands on an Electro-Harmonix 16 > second delay pedal. If any one has any information it would be greatly > appreciated. > > Thanks > > Eric Kapke > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jul 15 13:10:58 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA14902; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 13:10:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 13:10:58 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Reply-To: "m.hughes" From: "Michael P. Hughes, PhD" To: Loopers-Delight Subject: Hardy perennial Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 18:01:04 -0700 Message-ID: <000201becf26$ae1b3c80$acb6e383@me-biopc-22.mech.surrey.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"V9a46.0.a43.UHXZt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6940 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I think this question gets asked every so often (If only I'd paid more attention!), and here goes again; in the event of my going for the rack-based rig I'll need a midi footcontroller*, preferably something programmable (which rules out most Digitech products) and preferably cheaper than the Ground Control... and recommendations? In fact, anyone got any experience of the Boss FC200? I can get a deal with it and a GX-700, but can it be set to send messages to a unit _other_ than the GX700 (ie the JamMan)? Throwing himself at the mercy of the court, Mike *though it just needs to send patch-change info, not CC messages; right, Kim? ;b _____________________________________________________________ Mike Hughes, Ph.D. Tel: (+44) 1483 300800 x2344 Lecturer in Biomedical Engineering, Fax: (+44) 1483 306039 University of Surrey, EMail: m.hughes@surrey.ac.uk Guildford, Surrey, UK www.surrey.ac.uk/MME/Research/BioMed From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jul 15 13:16:12 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA16323; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 13:16:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 13:16:12 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990715170618.5130.rocketmail@web122.yahoomail.com> Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 17:06:18 +0000 (GMT) From: Bret Subject: for sale at Ebay, vintage OB EDP code To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"QS8NE.0.uL3.9KXZt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6941 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Kim, Ok, I'll sell the oldest ones at Ebay (as rare vintage oberheim parts), keep the others to reprogram if I can find the old zif sockets for my prom burner. We used to use those old style proms in our disk drives designs, but now it is either flash or OTP (one time programmable). When the old proms with the window on them were used, we did erase them (with uv) and reprogram them to recycle the parts. We scrapped no parts before they were truly scrap. Maybe i should just build a sculpture from my old EDP parts- resistors, voltage regulators, PALS, EPROMS, blown fuses, put contact microphones on it and loop it. bret > You should save them. That LD3.3.0 code could have > vintage value someday. :-) > > kim > _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jul 15 13:52:13 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA26416; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 13:52:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 13:52:13 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <378E1988.724B02CA@ibm.net> Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 14:25:29 -0300 From: Alexandre Tavares Frias Reply-To: atfrias@ibm.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: pt-BR MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: OT: distortion pedal advice References: <378DAA20.6FF2@voicenet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"l_ds7.0.Ab4.CdXZt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6944 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > Michael Tuminello wrote: > > > I'm looking for a distorion pedal. > > > I'm particularly a Prince fan, but you could think NIN, Duran Duran, > > vs. the warm fuzzy classic rock sound. I'm a great fan of fuzz boxes. Although I aprecciate some good tube amp overdrive, extreme fuzz is what I'm really in... I also think this matter may be of some interest to other music/noise makers, not only guitar players (like me) who abuse of effects. BigMuff was my first real fuzz and now I have 2 very old of them, very thick sound, lots of sustain and lows. An old Colorsound Tonebender Fuzz - more to the 'velcro-sound' than the BigMuff. Mine has some minor problems related to age, I don't want to fix them cos it sounds so good that it's too much risk for me! An old M3emthree MINI SYNTHY ( Let me know if any of you have any info about this beast, I had never found any other person who owns one). It's a fuzz (velcro-sound) with one and two sub-octave square wave settings. It is presented as a 'put-on-your-belt unit (not a stomp box, sorry!) and has three knobs for mixing the signals from nomal(?) fuzz, square-wave one octave down and square-wave two octave down. It have lots of sustain and balls, tracking is on the semichaotic side. It becomes a monster synth with a little help of an e-bow. A new Vintage TheRat, more BigMuffish but not so fuzzy, very strong and reliable. A new Roctron PurpleHaze octave pedal, I love it! You can get a mix of fuzz, one up and one down octaves at the same time. I have a Boss ME-5 with some distortions I still use and a recently acquired Korg AX1G. The AX1G is nice but once you get those old and new analog stomps you think twice about using one of its internal distortions, but the RingModulator algorithm took the place of my old beloved Craig Anderton's project for musicians stomp box. My two objects of desire right now are the old red box Foxx Tone Machine and Z.Vex 'anything'. The prices for the Z.Vex's here in Brasil, no, no... I'm thinking about build the Foxx from some schematics at some Internet sites as the used ones are costing too much. []'s, Alex Frias. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jul 15 13:27:24 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA19095; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 13:27:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 13:27:24 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 10:13:10 -0700 Message-ID: <00000C3C.eval@svg.com> From: MBiffle@svg.com (Mike Biffle) Subject: Testing, testing... To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Resent-Message-ID: <"3Fi181.0.t34.-UXZt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6943 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Just a check to see if my new email address is firing on all cylinders... -m From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jul 15 14:05:36 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA30036; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 14:05:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 14:05:36 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199907151756.KAA30166@scv2.apple.com> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 12:56:41 -0500 Subject: FS tc 2290 $1200 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: "Looper's Delight" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"gz-g81.0.5y6.O5YZt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6945 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >From Harmony Central. Direct all responses to: uhitcc00@umail.ucsb.edu ******************************* T.C. ELECTRONICS 2290 DELAY Asking Price: US$1200 Condition: Mint Age: 5 years Description: t.c electronics 2290 delay. perfect condition standard model. best digital delay on the market. $1200 Seller: charlie hitchcock, 805 564 8902 E-mail: uhitcc00@umail.ucsb.edu (Profile) Post Date: 7/14/99 From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jul 15 16:13:13 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA27393; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 16:13:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 16:13:13 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: PJBMHB@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 16:01:20 EDT Subject: Re: OT: distortion pedal advice To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 Resent-Message-ID: <"dMP-V.0.U26.QvZZt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6946 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com i love my prescription experience pedal too. i knew it was cool when nobody at the giant guitar and music chain-store knew how to use it. "get so and so...i think he knows how to use it..." very tempermental but that is part of the charm. =-) PJ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jul 15 17:05:59 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA20315; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 17:05:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 17:05:59 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199907152057.QAA00103@smtp0.mindspring.com> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 17:04:11 -0400 Subject: Re: OT: distortion pedal advice From: "Christopher White" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"cPKYv2.0.qe4.djaZt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6947 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com hey kids! i have a PRO 1604 brand spankin' new mixer for sale...as well as an black faced adat. I would think about a partial trade i.e. a portable minidisc or dat and or a 1202 mackie mixer...and or something really neat. c.white From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jul 15 20:11:49 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA24309; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 20:11:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 20:11:49 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990716000047.37163.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [165.227.130.138] From: "David Potter" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Testing, testing...OOOOOOOmmmmmmmmandOOOnnnnnnnnnnnn Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 17:00:47 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"pn95O2.0.1w2.oPdZt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6948 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Yo Miko,What's up,What's Up, What's up????Write to me about the trade . Music wisdom for grains of sand and dirt.... lxp 1 on the way!!!! PapaDave55@hotmail.com >From: MBiffle@svg.com (Mike Biffle) >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com >Subject: Testing, testing... >Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 10:13:10 -0700 > > Just a check to see if my new email address is firing on all > cylinders... > > -m > _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jul 15 21:21:02 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA06083; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 21:21:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 21:21:02 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: ENAT21213@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 19:15:54 EDT Subject: Re: Distortions To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 Resent-Message-ID: <"o_D5X.0.PJ.OWeZt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6949 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 7/15/99 9:56:28 AM Eastern Daylight Time, crash@waste.org writes: > He also mentioned that he wanted to go after a sort of Duran Duran > sound, NiN,among others i think the secret is to use no amp at all..........plug distortion / effects strait into a mixing board. thoughts? brian electric bird noise (cinematic loop and layered instrumental rock) sound samples etc. at: http://members.aol.com/ebnoise/index.html From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jul 15 23:20:36 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA22017; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 23:20:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 23:20:36 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <004001becf39$c7060aa0$bf844d0c@SatisfiedCustomer> From: "Ian Naismith" To: Subject: UNSUBSCRIBE Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 23:14:59 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0036_01BECF17.DC0A1BC0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"jfcZx.0.985.9FgZt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6950 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0036_01BECF17.DC0A1BC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable UNSUBSCRIBE ------=_NextPart_000_0036_01BECF17.DC0A1BC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_00F7_01BECF22.5ACBDCA0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jul 16 07:51:37 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA24930; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 07:51:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 07:51:37 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <378F1743.1565@prodigy.net> Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 06:28:03 -0500 From: Steve Dee Reply-To: stevedee@prodigy.net Organization: Prodigy Internet X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Hardy perennial References: <199907160711.DAA09210@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"QbqmA3.0.7U5.cTnZt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6954 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I personally use the GX-700 also. I control it with a Digitech RP-10 (upgraded to RP-12). The RP serves two functions: 1) it makes a great MIDI foot controller (12 pedals and a CC foot pedal), and; 2) it makes a great backup for my gear as it's a totally programmable stereo preamp/effects processor. -- Steve http://pages.prodigy.net/stevedee >>I think this question gets asked every so often (If only I'd paid more attention!), and here goes again; in the event of my going for the rack-based rig I'll need a midi footcontroller*, preferably something programmable (which rules out most Digitech products) and preferably cheaper than the Ground Control... and recommendations? In fact, anyone got any experience of the Boss FC200? I can get a deal with it and a GX-700, but can it be set to send messages to a unit _other_ than the GX700 (ie the JamMan)? From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jul 16 09:25:28 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA16941; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 09:25:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 09:25:28 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990716131129.43365.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [165.227.130.233] From: "David Potter" To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Subject: controller for Lexicon MPX 1? Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 06:11:29 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"z4jLm3.0.ye3.3_oZt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6955 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Yo guys, I've got a Lexicon MPX 1 on the way and want to know if the MPX R1 midi remote controller is the way to go. I think my Roland FC 100 footcontroller may work but want to make sure.Any used MPX R 1 midi remote controllers out there??? Any suggestions???Any other loopers in the Santa Cruz area besides Miko and I ??? I have a small studio in Corralitos near Mount Madonna. Om and Out Papa Dave _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jul 16 12:45:41 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA10443; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 12:45:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 12:45:41 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <017e01becfa9$06980000$3d2310ac@Douglas> From: "K. Douglas Baldwin" To: "Michael Tuminello" , Subject: Re: distortion pedal advice Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 11:41:49 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"dclC-2.0.OS7.2zrZt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6956 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Distortion is one of my fave fx's. Some possibilities, all of which I've used: Roger Mayer's Octavia (about $150 list)is the skroinkiest aluminum-whiskered street bum you'll ever hear. It requires real musicianship to use well, as it is VERY touch-sensitive. Hendrix used it on "Purple Haze and "Fire" , and more nakedly on his unfinished "First Rays..." project. Adrian Belew uses it on Laurie Anderson's "Sharkey's Day", and probably on King Crimson's "Thela Hun Gingeet"(sp?), among others. The Univox Superfuzz (which you might find used for under $200 if you're lucky) is pretty fizzy, and has two settings. One is bright, and the other is all lardacious fat and muffled fizz with no mids. Think John's guitar on "Revolution". I've been using a dual-distortion pedal by Visual Sound (I think that's their name). The pedal is called "Dr. Jeckyl and Mr. Hyde"(about $130 list); Jeckyl is bright and relatively uncolored, while Hyde is fatter and shaped with a variable-mid-cut tone control. Gets a great fat quasi-Superfuzz sound, and the two together can peel paint off your brain. The Rat (about $80 list, and one of my long-time faves, and much like the legendary Ibanez Tube Screamer) is probably too "natural" sounding for what you want, and probably much like the Dan-o. If you have the bucks, get Big Briar's Moogerfooger Ring Modulator and load a distorted signal into the audio input. There is sickness here that the Mayo Clinic couldn't identify. If you don't dig the different tones with every different note (a symptom of the "carrier frequency" part of the circuit), split your signal and add it to itself via the carrier input, again with gobs of el distorto. I am currently playing with this patch AND a Digitech Whammy. I am exhausted, and beads of sweat appear on my forehead, followed by uncontrollable shivers. Then particles of nether-wasps appear beneath my fingernails, speaking some Arabic dialect which I can understand perfectly. They recite train schedules in sing-song tones, then whisk their wings gently against my window.... From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jul 16 13:29:37 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA20260; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 13:29:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 13:29:37 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <2148EC143F29D1118BE000805FC13CD0DB5694@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: distortion pedal advice Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 13:14:51 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Resent-Message-ID: <"8_lXO1.0.DM4.sZsZt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6957 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com since we're all on fuzz pedals . . . the fulltone ultimate octave is nice. on switch is a basic fuzz side (fuzz face clone?) and another switch adds the higher octave, which is very present and tracks well - - even on bass. great things this pedal does: fuzz by itself, fuzz with octave - - and then one of my faves which is holding a chord and toggling back and forth between the octave and non-octave sounds. sounds good with other fuzzes/overdrives added on top. other added bonus: diads other that a perfect fifth (and sometimes fourths) sound like they're ring-modded. it's about $150 used, not cheap, but then it does have two sounds and gets some really squirrelly stuff. also the prescription electronics face lift is similar but has the additional bonus of the octave switch being independent of the fuzz switch - - so three independent sounds. two version: one germanium, one silicon. i had a germanium model which didn't always agree with part of my bass sound. i hear that germanium is temperamental that way. i ended up with the fulltone because the face life didn't do the ring-mod thang. the face lift does some stuff that the fulltone doesn't tho' and, now that i have a dedicated ring mod, i've considered going back to a silicon version for its other advantages. stig From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jul 16 14:11:49 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA08603; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 14:11:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 14:11:49 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 10:56:07 -0700 Message-ID: <00000DCA.eval@svg.com> From: MBiffle@svg.com (Mike Biffle) To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com, psbuddha@texas.net, m1cha31@earthlink.net, LiebigSA@Maritz.com Subject: Re: OT: distortion pedal advice Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="IMA.Boundary.1777412390" Resent-Message-ID: <"pWlHZ2.0.S07.CDtZt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6958 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com --IMA.Boundary.1777412390 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Hi Michael, Bobdog and other fuzz fanatics! I was severly hassled for going way off topic last time I raved on about distortions, but, god help me! They're my absolute favorite obsession... They're also essential to my looping as well, but don't expect anyone but other guitarists to sympathise! So... here I go again! Apologies to those of you who just can't hack us fuzz dweebs... I'm a big fan of the MZ2 or Metal Zone as well. It's definitely got the scooped mids thing happening, but it's also capable of far more. With the highs rolled back and the very nice midrange control boosted some, it sounds very fat and singing with a tight defined bottom. This pedal is a very good clone of my Pearce G2r lead channel, which really surprised me. The Zone also works great with a wah... I'd consider this a pretty agressive, articulate fuzz... Awesome for tight, deep power chords as well... If you also need some form of anarchic distortion, the Prescription Electronics Experience is a great octave fuzz, ala Hendrix... It works well as a regular, fat assed, bloaty fuzz as well. It's "Swell" mode is truly sick and emits all manner of farts, tweeps and sputters... Beware though... It might not be your best choice for a main fuzz. Kinda graunchy. Gotta have it for anarchy though. It's awesome combined with a filter that has an LFO (Waldorf 4-pole or other variant) of some sort and only works ok with wah. The PE Exp as well as the Fulltone Ultimate Octave are both patterned after the Foxx Tone Machine... The PE adds the chaotic Swell mode, and the Ultimate Octave adds a "fat" switch. There's 3 buttons on the PE Exp: On/Off, Octave, Swell... and I believe 2 on the Ultimate Octave (corrections on this anyone?) The Z-Vex Fuzz Factory is also another wild box, but also allows you to dial a nice conventional sounding, powerful distortion. No tone knob though, so you might need to warm it up with another downline od of some sort, or eq... It's really incredible as a noisemaker though, with self-oscillation, tunable with your volume and tone knobs... And it's tiny and the battery lasts forever! It will also sputter and spit like a geiger counter if you so desire. Last and surely not least are the Lovetone boxes available mail order only from England. I have a Big Cheese, which I really like a lot for *very nasal* tweezy fuzz. There's some pretty ballsy settings, but for the most part, it's main strength is sick, tweezy, cheesy fuzz. Some people don't like this at all. Our fellow LD listmember Steuart Liebig just acquired the new Ring Stinger, a Ring Moduluator / Fuzz with tons of various modes and ways to manipulate the sound including a light sensitive adapter which you can play with a flashlight or your hand like the D-beam controllers on the Roland Groove Boxes. It also has internal sound sources (oscilators?) for all the knob twisters out there... A full review of this beast would be great if you can manage Stig! None of these boxes above are really simple overdrives... they're more agressive and don't necessarily behave like a tube amp. The Turbo Rat may get you into that territory better... spanning the od - fuzz divide. But it sounds like you're looking for more radical stuff anyway. I used to use regular Rats a lot, for a light agreeable overdrive, and another cranked and darker for solos, but began craving the old Big Muff style blast I remembered so well for the solos... The Big Muff is still a first choice for a main fuzz for me, and also works great with a wah. In some ways, it's darker settings with the drive rolled back provide an overdrive of sorts... creamy, liquid Gilmour-like single note sounds... Very musical. 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Resent-Message-ID: <"7cHEi3.0.I55.sWtZt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6959 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hey all - I can't BELIEVE the response I got from that question. It's going to take me a while to read all the emails and digest the info. thanks to all. It turns out, however, that I discovered that I unfairly maligned the pedal I own (danelectro overdrive - "daddy'o", I think ). Once I abandoned all consideration for the neighbors, I realized that I can get a lot of good sounds out of it. I listened to the rat, turbo rat and boss heavy metal, and the boss pedal was the only one of those 3 that might have been giving me something different, as far as I could tell. The aesthics of the rat pedal are more appealing to me than the '50s look of the danelectro, but I think the high mid and bass knobs are a bonus on that pedal. No doubt I will become more of a fuzz conoisseur in the future and crack out all the emails to do some distorion pedal shopping. Now I'm just saving for the echoplex and a microsynth. Then I'll be set for a while. Out of curiosity (and as long as everyone is feeling helpful), are there any rack units that do what the microsynth does for not TOO much more? It seems like a drag to have to twiddle all those little sliders to switch between sounds.... MT From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jul 16 14:32:20 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA00632; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 14:32:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 14:32:20 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199907140232.WAA18899@emh1.pa.net> References: <2dfc4091.24bd3614@aol.com> Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 14:25:22 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Patrick Smith Subject: Vortex @ Harmony Central Resent-Message-ID: <"wSnWA2.0.dl6.2ctZt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6960 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I know lot's of people crave this beast so fire away... >Lexicon Vortex > >Asking Price: US$260 >Condition: Excellent >Age: N/A >Description: > > In perfect working order 260.00 shipped (us) > >Seller: Tim Sanz, 831-336-4851 >E-mail: tim.sanz@wj.com (Profile) >Location: BEN LOMOND, CA >Post Date: 7/16/99 patrick Fingerpaint's New Release: IN THE LOOP ... an intelligent, stimulating mixture of mimimaist spacebeats and obscure samples layered upon a hypnotic illbient backdrop. DIGITAL ARTIFACT # 12 http://www.fingerpaint.net From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jul 16 14:31:44 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA32316; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 14:31:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 14:31:44 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199907161825.LAA11828@scv2.apple.com> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 13:25:18 -0500 Subject: Re: OT: Distortion (thanks!) From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"WPko41.0.wo6.CctZt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6961 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com For $400 you can have a Boss GT-3 which does all the psycho analog guitar synth sounds plus a whole lot more. TH ---------- >From: Michael Tuminello >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Subject: Re: OT: Distortion (thanks!) >Date: Fri, Jul 16, 1999, 1:25 PM > > Now I'm just saving for the echoplex and a microsynth. Then I'll be set > for a while. Out of curiosity (and as long as everyone is feeling > helpful), are there any rack units that do what the microsynth does for not > TOO much more? It seems like a drag to have to twiddle all those little > sliders to switch between sounds.... From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jul 16 15:04:01 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA32167; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 15:04:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 15:04:01 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <2148EC143F29D1118BE000805FC13CD0DB5699@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: OT: distortion pedal advice Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 14:45:54 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Resent-Message-ID: <"Aajmh1.0.am3.jutZt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6962 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > There's 3 buttons on the PE Exp: On/Off, Octave, Swell... and I believe 2 > on the > Ultimate Octave (corrections on this anyone?) > ** right. two switches on the ultimate octave - - one for the fuzz/bypass, one for the octave. one thing that i forgot to mention was that you can turn the octave function on without turning on the fuzz. why do i mention this? cause (if you have turned the octave switch on) you can go straight to octave fuzz by just hitting the fuzz/bypass switch. the fat switch is cool. i always leave on fat, but as i remember the bright setting gives you a more scooped sound. it's a little bat switch, but you can easily (and carefully) move it with your foot - - - giving you three possible sounds at your toetips . . . > > > Steuart Liebig just acquired the new Ring Stinger, ... A > full review of this beast would be great if you can manage Stig! > ** hmmmm, wasn't ready to mention this quite yet. so far, it's pretty killer. haven't had a lot of time to really delve into it yet (kids, job, rehearsing other people's music, blah, blah, blah). did some pretty whacked loops using it in various ways last weekend. hopefully i'll take the dats i did of 'em amd cut into a song form (a wee project i have in mind). suffice it to say that it's pretty deep (at least for a neo-luddite like myself). carrier is a tunable (by knob or footpedal footpedal) vco that has four available wave forms. can be modded with an lfo that also has four different wave forms; lfo has lfo bypass, and rate and depth controls (one of these last is both knob and footpedal - - can't remember right now) as well. has pretty killer octave fuzz switch. fuzz also gets lfo treatment. has drive control for amount of insanity in either fuzz or ring mod. blend control for finding the right balance (or none!) between real notes and craziness. also a colour control which is basically a resonance control - - i think . . . it's fun. stig > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jul 16 16:11:30 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA30936; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 16:11:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 16:11:30 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <006501becfc4$645cde20$401bbfa8@default> Reply-To: "Collins" From: "Collins" To: Subject: GR-30 For Sale: Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 15:49:56 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"AJpl43.0.FN3.esuZt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6963 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Greetings all, I would just like to let everyone know that i am going to be selling my Roland Gr-30 guitar synthesizer. I'm taking bids for this piece of wonderful guitar gear. I would like to begin at $275.00 and we'll go from there. The synth has all it's working parts and in great condition. The only reason i don't need it anymore is that i have pretty much given up on guitars and am focusing more on art and sound experiments without samplers. I thank you for your time. Jeff Collins "Silence is so accurate," Mark Rothko From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Jul 17 00:55:50 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA08997; Sat, 17 Jul 1999 00:55:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 00:55:50 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 23:10:50 -0700 From: j honaker Subject: unsubscribe To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-id: <000201bed01c$b36428e0$47ad3ea6@pavilion> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0013_01BECFE0.72267720" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <"Vp_hC1.0.BS5.UD0at"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6964 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01BECFE0.72267720 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable unsubscribe ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01BECFE0.72267720 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_0013_01BECFE0.72267720-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Jul 17 04:47:29 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA23529; Sat, 17 Jul 1999 04:47:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 04:47:29 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <4.1.19990717031530.00b8c510@mail.winternet.com> X-Sender: r4c@mail.winternet.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 03:37:23 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: "L. Stafford" Subject: RE: OT: distortion pedal advice In-Reply-To: <2148EC143F29D1118BE000805FC13CD0DB5699@migarexch01.maritz. com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"-8MKg1.0.2H3.m_3at"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6965 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com A couple of distortion fx I use that work well and sound really good are: The Danelectro Daddy-o & a Smokey Amps cig pack amp (this little thing has a really kick ass distortion sound to it). The only problem w/ the Smokey is it's probably pretty easy to overload your amp inputs since it's already amplifying the signal. I use these w/ violin & cello so your results may vary (E-bow? Who needs it when you can get sustain longer than a stretch of N. Dakota highway. Accept no cheap substitutes for the real thing ;) ). The coolest sound I've heard out of either of these units has to be cello harmonics run into the daddy-o and looped into a boomerang. Absolutely nothing else sounds like it (probably due to the cello's unique harmonic properties, long playing surface and playing style). I'm surprised w/ all this talk of distortions that no one has chimed in w/ the Zvex Wooly Mammoth (designed by our own Mr. Zwicky I might add) ;) What's the difference between a violin and a viola anyways? The viola burns longer. L. Stafford Richard For Cerebellum / A Most Happy Sound http://www.winternet.com/~r4c From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Jul 17 05:45:49 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA13050; Sat, 17 Jul 1999 05:45:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 05:45:49 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 05:35:27 -0400 From: Andreas Willers Subject: RE: OT: distortion pedal advice Sender: Andreas Willers To: "INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Message-ID: <199907170535_MC2-7D54-52A1@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by rosy.yourwebhost.com id FAA01980 Resent-Message-ID: <"nZZ8G3.0.UX.Tw4at"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6966 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi, stig! Looking for a real Ringmodulator I just tried the Moogerfooger and while it has ample possibilities for tweaking stuff I found the overall sound lacking grit and drive for guitar application, somehow a little tame. This amased me 'cause the RM I use in my Boss SE-70 hasn't got a lot of options, but it wails! So I guess the Lovetone is more right on for stringers? Has anybody got experience with an EH Frequenzy analyser (about to be reissued) - they are supposed to sound quite anachic...! best, Andreas From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Jul 17 12:11:53 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA02068; Sat, 17 Jul 1999 12:11:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 12:11:53 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <001401bed06e$55f43400$5c90480c@oemcomputer> From: "Michael Davis" To: References: <4.1.19990717031530.00b8c510@mail.winternet.com> Subject: Re: OT: distortion pedal advice Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 09:06:25 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: <"uL6cw3.0.Jr7.FfAat"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6967 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com the best distortion I've run across is the noise swash from the common sound collective out of St. Louis Mo. they will barter for them or you can build it yourself. http://members.rotfl.com/soundshimmer/index.html chris davis From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Jul 17 12:22:53 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA06885; Sat, 17 Jul 1999 12:22:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 12:22:53 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: m1cha3l@mail.earthlink.net Message-Id: Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 12:20:33 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Michael Tuminello Subject: guitar synth effects Cc: "Travis Hartnett" Resent-Message-ID: <"xd_MA3.0.i-.6oAat"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6968 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >>Out of curiosity (and as long as everyone is feeling >>helpful), are there any rack units that do what the microsynth does for not >>TOO much more? It seems like a drag to have to twiddle all those little >>sliders to switch between sounds.... >For $400 you can have a Boss GT-3 which does all the psycho analog guitar >synth sounds plus a whole lot more. > >TH I checked it out, and it seems that that would duplicate a lot of the effects that are in the QV GT right now, and I'm not sure that it would add the kind of synth flexibility of the micro synth. Plus it's huge. I was thinking instead of getting something that would do the synth sounds well, and ultimately possibly replacing the QV with a more up-to-date rack effects unit. I was figuring with the QV, Echoplex, distortion, wah, and micro synth, I would have a pretty good range of effects. The pedals are there to supplement the things I have heard racks units don't necessarily do well (like distortion). I don't know of any unit, rack or pedal, that does what the microsynth does, with different waveforms, envelopes, etc. I'm sure I'm just missing stuff. It doesn't seem like the Boss GT-3 has this stuff though. Thanks, MT From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Jul 17 12:32:37 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA11325; Sat, 17 Jul 1999 12:32:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 12:32:37 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199907171623.MAA23085@smtp4.mindspring.com> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 12:29:40 -0400 Subject: trades to be made From: "Christopher White" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"y5dEZ3.0.ju1.vuAat"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6969 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com i am looking for a trade..how about my blackface adat for a nice portable dat? also i have a 1604 Pro vlz that i would down trade (plus cash on your part) for a 1202 mixer that i can rackmount in my travel case i am looking to simplfy my outfit a bit as i am beginning to explore the realm of electro aacoustics and am moving away from a multi unit rig..let me know. -c.white From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Jul 17 12:50:02 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA22303; Sat, 17 Jul 1999 12:50:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 12:50:02 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3790B3CF.A8CBBCDD@cedar-rapids.net> Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 11:48:15 -0500 From: Jon Southwood X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.07 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: OT: distortion pedal advice References: <199907170535_MC2-7D54-52A1@compuserve.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"I85Nv1.0.nZ4.LBBat"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6970 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com All this talk of distortion pedals reminded me of a question: Besides the Roland VG-8, is there a pedal/rack-unit that will do hex-distortion (from a GK-2a pickup)? Re: Ring Modulators-- I have both a Boss SE-70 and an Alesis Quadraverb+. Both RMs really grunge up the sound quite nicely, but I prefer the Qverb's because it has a wider range of modulating frequency (up to 300Hz vs 100Hz). Both feature hands-free adjustment of the mod frequency using MIDI CCs which I find invaluable to maintaining maximum "grunge" while I play (because if I play notes that are too close to multiples of the mod frequency it just sounds like "streched octaves" -- it's just the nature of the RM process.) I'm sure the Qverb+ can be had fairly cheaply on e-bay or second-hand music stores. Cheers, Jon Southwood noj@cedar-rapids.net From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Jul 17 13:11:50 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA32000; Sat, 17 Jul 1999 13:11:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 13:11:50 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Dpcoffin@aol.com Message-ID: <912b812c.24c2114a@aol.com> Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 13:03:06 EDT Subject: Re: controller for Lexicon MPX 1? To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Mac - Post-GM sub 54 Resent-Message-ID: <"QkC--3.0.G57.pUBat"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6972 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com For what it's worth, I'm happily using an FC-200 to control an MPX G2...many more options, pedals, plus inputs for extra foot pedals than the Lex pedal, with only a few downsides, like having to configure it heavily, and sometimes it seems I have to hit a momentary or toggle pedal twice to activate it, when in a new patch. dpc From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Jul 17 13:11:19 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA31770; Sat, 17 Jul 1999 13:11:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 13:11:19 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199907171659.MAA21933@ligarius-fe0.ultra.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 13:02:38 -0400 Subject: Re: trades to be made From: "sandro" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Z8Y9x.0.Qn6.iQBat"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6971 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com i do have a 1202vlz, with box , manual and everything. how much are you looking for as cash? sandro ---------- >From: "Christopher White" >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Subject: trades to be made >Date: Sat, Jul 17, 1999, 12:29 PM > > > i am looking for a trade..how about my blackface adat for a nice portable > dat? also i have a 1604 Pro vlz that i would down trade (plus cash on your > part) for a 1202 mixer that i can rackmount in my travel case i am looking > to simplfy my outfit a bit as i am beginning to explore the realm of electro > aacoustics and am moving away from a multi unit rig..let me know. > > -c.white > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Jul 17 13:34:35 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA12335; Sat, 17 Jul 1999 13:34:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 13:34:35 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199907171726.NAA29495@smtp4.mindspring.com> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 13:33:02 -0400 Subject: Re: trades to be made From: "Christopher White" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"qtafZ.0.k52.upBat"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6973 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com i was thinking 385.00 with the trade this unit is in great shape and is 4 months old.. i just need to simplify and buy a new camera ---------- >From: "sandro" >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Subject: Re: trades to be made >Date: Sat, Jul 17, 1999, 1:02 PM > >i do have a 1202vlz, with box , manual and everything. how much are you >looking for as cash? >sandro > >---------- >>From: "Christopher White" >>To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >>Subject: trades to be made >>Date: Sat, Jul 17, 1999, 12:29 PM >> > >> >> i am looking for a trade..how about my blackface adat for a nice portable >> dat? also i have a 1604 Pro vlz that i would down trade (plus cash on your >> part) for a 1202 mixer that i can rackmount in my travel case i am looking >> to simplfy my outfit a bit as i am beginning to explore the realm of electro >> aacoustics and am moving away from a multi unit rig..let me know. >> >> -c.white >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Jul 17 14:29:29 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA10849; Sat, 17 Jul 1999 14:29:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 14:29:29 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: From: David Kirkdorffer To: "'Michael Tuminello'" , Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Rack-mounted guitar synths Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 14:16:50 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2524.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <"d28Ah2.0.jN1._aCat"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6974 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I remember about 19 years ago or so playing a two-rack space synthesizer from ROLAND. I can remember its name. It would accept analog guitar-jack inputs (no need for those multi-pin connectors). Does anyone else remember this? David Kirkdorffer -----Original Message----- From: Michael Tuminello [mailto:m1cha3l@earthlink.net] Sent: Friday, July 16, 1999 2:25 PM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: OT: Distortion (thanks!) Out of curiosity (and as long as everyone is feeling helpful), are there any rack units that do what the microsynth does for not TOO much more? It seems like a drag to have to twiddle all those little sliders to switch between sounds.... MT From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Jul 17 14:32:22 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA12384; Sat, 17 Jul 1999 14:32:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 14:32:22 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3790C9D2.21B8@voicenet.com> Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 14:22:10 -0400 From: legion X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: guitar synth effects References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"srTMe1.0.qE2.OhCat"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6975 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > >>Out of curiosity (and as long as everyone is feeling > >>helpful), are there any rack units that do what the microsynth does > I don't know of any unit, rack or pedal, that > does what the microsynth does, with different waveforms, envelopes, etc. Well this is true IMO mostly because the microsynth has so much in it: - awesome square wave fuZZZZ - Octaves (independant UP,Normal,Down sliders - Attack/delay envelope (makes "backwards" simulations) - Raspy filter with cutoff and rez sliders plus two sliders for independant envelope settings (Up/Down sweep) - assorted trigger settings There is no box with all this in it but if you look at pedals there are other ways to do it with only a few compromises: BOSS - SYB3 (Bass sytehsizer pedal with multiwaveforms, autowah up down, knobs for decay and ctu/rez, etc) BOSS - OC2 octaver - Octave down and two octs down. BOSS - FZ2 - FuZZZ with three fuzz settings and very sweepable two band EQ Now all this new will cost you about the same as the reissue EH Microsynth these days but used it's pretty cheap and of course you can substitue other ocatvers, distortions, etc with what you may already have. Plus if you're making a chain of FX you can have a little more control on each one and add other things. Someone mentioned Ring modulators. if you can pick it up the now defunct DOD Gonkulator is an awesome atonal song magler with a decent generic distortion built in. Thrw that in the above chain or add a flanger or delay pedal and you're stylin' in a way many synths sound if you use/abuse them right(or wrong). ----------------------------------------------------------------------- HELP WANTED PRODUCTIONS - Http://www.voicenet.com/~legion "Bringing you the best in Organic Electronic music since we started..." 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From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Jul 18 06:00:16 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA11419; Sun, 18 Jul 1999 06:00:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 06:00:16 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: PJBMHB@aol.com Message-ID: <8568ef5b.24c2fd48@aol.com> Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 05:50:00 EDT Subject: Re: trades to be made To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 Resent-Message-ID: <"B7SLB.0.0I7.qDQat"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6976 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com do the blackface adats sound better than the silver face adats? he he ho ho ha ha. =-) PJ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Jul 18 11:51:51 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA21551; Sun, 18 Jul 1999 11:51:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 11:51:51 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Posted-Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 10:43:56 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990718103905.00926210@POP.VISI.com> X-Sender: zwicky@POP.VISI.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 10:39:05 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Chuck Zwicky Subject: Re: trades to be made In-Reply-To: <8568ef5b.24c2fd48@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"bHfwE3.0.cF3.XPVat"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6977 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Oddly enough the Blackface ADATs were 'Pre-GT' BS.... (Alesis bought groove tubes) At 05:50 AM 7/18/99 EDT, you wrote: >do the blackface adats sound better than the silver face adats? he he ho ho >ha ha. >=-) PJ > > > ........................................................................... One man's nirvana is another man's map. ........................................................................... Be the change you want to see in the world. -Mahatma Gandhi (1869-1948) From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Jul 18 12:47:32 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA21797; Sun, 18 Jul 1999 12:47:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 12:47:32 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199907181639.MAA08562@smtp4.mindspring.com> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 12:45:17 -0400 Subject: Re: trades to be made From: "Christopher White" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"0IF8_3.0.Ay2.VDWat"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6978 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com they talk sweeter and repect you in the morning. ---------- >From: PJBMHB@aol.com >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Subject: Re: trades to be made >Date: Sun, Jul 18, 1999, 5:50 AM > >do the blackface adats sound better than the silver face adats? he he ho ho >ha ha. >=-) PJ > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Jul 18 14:15:50 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA24820; Sun, 18 Jul 1999 14:15:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 14:15:50 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: dmgraph@mail.earthlink.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <001401bed06e$55f43400$5c90480c@oemcomputer> References: <4.1.19990717031530.00b8c510@mail.winternet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 14:14:35 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: David Myers Subject: Mackie 1202 VLZ PRO Resent-Message-ID: <"7YITV2.0.5i4.kYXat"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6979 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Since I posted questions here a couple of weeks back concerning the Mackie 1202, I thought some people might be interested in a followup. Friday I picked up the new model, the VLZ PRO. I previously owned the "pre-PRO" VLZ and admittedly offer my comparison via memory. Plugged in my instrument--which has Duncan humbuckers and "Anderton" wiring--via a Whirlwind Hotbox, and was completely amazed! The near absence of noise, the headroom, full tone and detail is definitely the peak of my experience in this realm. Anyone contemplating a VLZ PRO for such a use should go for it--I got mine at Sam Ash Pro Sound in NYC, for the best price I've ever seen, $330. Everyone in the world seems to want $380. Talk to a guy named Will, who offered me the price without even bargaining. Have never gone to Ash first, and of course there was a flap over the Behringer stuff, but they have Mackie again and this price for this quality can't pass unmentioned. David Myers From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Jul 18 16:36:09 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA06483; Sun, 18 Jul 1999 16:36:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 16:36:09 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19990718151622.0082c1e0@tamiu.edu> X-Sender: myoder@tamiu.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 15:16:22 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: "Michael S. Yoder" Subject: ATTN: Bassists Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"aYM8d1.0.cy4.PPZat"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6980 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hello all, Is there anyone out there who has experience with or knows the pros and cons of the Zeta EB304 "Educator Bass," a hybrid bass guitar/upright bass? If so, please share your thoughts with me. Please feel free to write to me personally: myoder@tamiu.edu >From the pictures, it looks like it might be an awesome bass instrument for looping and other purposes! Thank you very much. Best, Michael Y. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Dr. Michael S. Yoder Assistant Professor of Geography, Coordinator of Urban Studies Texas A&M International University 5201 University Blvd. Laredo, TX 78041 Tel. (956) 326-2634; FAX (956) 326-2464 Internet:myoder@tamiu.edu =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=--=-=-=-== From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Jul 18 17:17:41 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA24982; Sun, 18 Jul 1999 17:17:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 17:17:41 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990718172058.0079be30@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 17:20:58 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: ATTN: Bassists In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19990718151622.0082c1e0@tamiu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"2jd461.0.ds4.qDaat"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6981 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com For more info on the Zeta line of electric stringed instruments, check out You're right, the Zeta pictures are very attractive; graceful neck, well-proportioned shape, streamlined body curves. Oh wait, those are the pictures of Catherine Zeta-Jones that appeared on my screen when I searched for Zeta's site... The instruments are very good-looking too.. Tim At 03:16 PM 7/18/99 -0500, you wrote: >Is there anyone out there who has experience with or knows the pros and >cons of the Zeta EB304 "Educator Bass," a hybrid bass guitar/upright bass?... >>From the pictures, it looks like it might be an awesome bass instrument for >looping and other purposes! From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Jul 18 17:40:15 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA20941; Sun, 18 Jul 1999 17:40:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 17:40:15 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <4.1.19990718162726.00c2a8d0@mail.winternet.com> X-Sender: r4c@mail.winternet.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 16:38:16 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: "L. Stafford" Subject: Re: ATTN: Bassists In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19990718151622.0082c1e0@tamiu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"vGATg.0.SK3.dXaat"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6982 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Check out http://www.digitalrain.net/bowed/. Although it's geared towards electric violins, it has a comprehensive list of electric stringed instrument makers. Some of these also manufacture electric upright basses (Starfish, Zeta, Jensen, NS, etc.). I can't really make any recommendations on electric basses since I don't play bass, but in comparison to some of the other luthiers/makers out there, Zeta's violins and cellos are not quite up to snuff for the $$$ they charge (this is my opinion of course, some people love them). I would play one before you decide to buy one. L. Stafford At 03:16 PM 7/18/99 -0500, you wrote: >Hello all, > >Is there anyone out there who has experience with or knows the pros and >cons of the Zeta EB304 "Educator Bass," a hybrid bass guitar/upright bass? >If so, please share your thoughts with me. Please feel free to write to me >personally: myoder@tamiu.edu > >>From the pictures, it looks like it might be an awesome bass instrument for >looping and other purposes! > >Thank you very much. > >Best, >Michael Y. > Lorren Stafford Richard For Cerebellum/A Most Happy Sound http://www.winternet.com/~r4c "We ask ourselves whether truly this is the beginning of a new world or whether perhaps the world...is about to perish. There are people who earnestly and seriously fear this, where music becomes the slave of the machine..." From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Jul 18 21:56:20 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA32643; Sun, 18 Jul 1999 21:56:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 21:56:20 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Dlangenes@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 21:48:16 EDT Subject: WTB: Lexicon Vortex To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 10 Resent-Message-ID: <"pHyCF2.0.no6.GHeat"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6984 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com WTB: Lexicon Vortex w/expression pedal and footswitch From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Jul 18 21:56:21 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA32644; Sun, 18 Jul 1999 21:56:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 21:56:21 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 18:47:01 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: online loop thing Resent-Message-ID: <"VcJ5k1.0.cA6.bEeat"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6983 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hey Loopers- Nick Didkovsky, who does some cool online music stuff, sent me this pointer to an online loop thing he's done. Looks pretty cool, check it out. (although I haven't actually tried it since my PC currently doesn't have speakers connected to it and that's not likely to change this evening....:-) >Dear Kim, > >Checked out your looping music homepage, and wanted to bring your >attention to a new piece/instrument I designed that is online at my >Punos Music site (see below). "A Loop's A Loop's A Loop's A..." is >dedicated to my friend CW Vrtacek's years of sound loop work, and uses >some cool new music technologies: JSyn and JMSL. JSyn is a realtime >synth API that uses Java and a plug-in to deliver CD quality sound >through your browser. JMSL is an algorithmic music package, also in >Java, that I am developing with Phil Burk to succeed the experimental >music language HMSL. > >"A Loop's A Loop's A Loop's A..." uses randomly generated synthesis >gestures created in the here-and-now, as opposed to samples, for >example. It's fun to play, and with a fast machine (PII 200MHz+), you >can get extremely radical and deep textures going. Easy to use, too. > >If you have a Win95/98 machine and Netscape Communicator, and want to >play with up to 8 tracks of "found sound", check it out. > >Best, >Nick > >http://www.ingress.com/~drnerve/punos/punosindex.shtml ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Jul 18 23:53:58 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA03836; Sun, 18 Jul 1999 23:53:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 23:53:58 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Dogsandice@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 23:48:05 EDT Subject: Re: UNSUBSCRIBE To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0.i for Mac sub 189 Resent-Message-ID: <"s23n02.0.Ir7.C1gat"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6985 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jul 19 03:52:27 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA09043; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 03:52:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 03:52:27 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Sender: mpeters@csi.com Message-ID: <01BED1CA.8CCC97D0.mpeters@csi.com> From: Michael Peters To: "'Loopers Delight'" Subject: attn: European Loop Project CD Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 09:38:23 +0200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-Mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"x4WDA2.0.Pq3.aFjat"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6986 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com hi all, while Looper's Delight Vol. 1 is about to become available, thanks to David Talento, another glorious compilation CD has just been released in Europe. It is called European Loop Project Phase One and contains 11 long tracks of guitar and Warr guitar loopers from Finland, Germany, Russia, Spain, and Czechoslowakia, among them list members such as Warr guitarists Markus Reuter and Kuno Wagner (both of them appeared on Looper's Delight CDs), and of course, yours truly. Crafties among you have possibly met Alain Pinero from Spain who also contributes one track. I like this CD a lot. It looks good, is well produced, and other than the Looper's Delight CDs which contain a wide spectrum of very different types of music, this CD creates a more homogeneous atmosphere, ranging from dreamy ambient moods to more experimental sounds. Very much recommended! No official web page for the CD exists yet, although you can take a look at the cover at http://www.t-online.de/home/kuno.tap/looprojt.htm Tilmann Hohn who produced the CD is away for vacation right now but you can send him email to (http://mailto:Uta.Til@t-online.de). Tilmann told me that the CD can be ordered from Real HOME, Rathenauplatz 6, 65203 Wiesbaden, Germany for DM 25,-- plus postage (DM 4,-- in Europe, DM 6,-- outside of Europe). * Michael Peters: mpeters@csi.com * escape veloopity: electronic guitar loop music * hop - fractals in motion: strange attractors * http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Mpeters From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jul 19 04:18:27 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA04308; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 04:18:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 04:18:27 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Reply-To: "m.hughes" From: "Michael P. Hughes, PhD" To: Chuck Zwicky , Loopers-Delight Subject: RE: trades to be made Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 09:11:14 -0700 Message-ID: <003201bed201$53608fb0$acb6e383@me-biopc-22.mech.surrey.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.19990718103905.00926210@POP.VISI.com> Resent-Message-ID: <"jzHrA3.0.Ju7.5vjat"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6987 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > Oddly enough the Blackface ADATs were 'Pre-GT' BS.... > (Alesis bought groove tubes) Does that mean Aspen Pittman will quit griping about things not powered with valves - or that we should expect the Quadraverb 3 to have "real tube distortion"? Mike Wishing Groove Tubes had been bought out by Peavey.... _____________________________________________________________ Mike Hughes, Ph.D. Tel: (+44) 1483 300800 x2344 Lecturer in Biomedical Engineering, Fax: (+44) 1483 306039 University of Surrey, EMail: m.hughes@surrey.ac.uk Guildford, Surrey, UK www.surrey.ac.uk/MME/Research/BioMed From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jul 19 04:38:09 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA23085; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 04:38:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 04:38:09 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <37927FA8.7011C688@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 01:30:20 +0000 From: Paul Ill Reply-To: paulill@earthlink.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03C-NSCP (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: ATTN: Bassists References: <3.0.1.32.19990718151622.0082c1e0@tamiu.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"nq6I33.0.7j3.M6kat"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6988 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com MICHAEL - i suggest you also look at the CONKLIN MOBILE ELECTRIC UPRIGHT (MEU) BASS - 1. 34" scale, magnetic + peizo pu's, midi-ready. sounds, plays + looks great. can actually "wear" it w/ a strap or play it on a stand 2. they are about to deliver mine - white metalflake (yee-ha!)...played it in the booth for them @ winter NAMM '98 here in LA. bass was still in development but playable. happy to say it caused a bit of stir. BILL CONKLIN is very artist-oriented and a brilliant instrument maker. plus one helluva guy. same for PHIL,his right hand man. they built me a 5 string a few years ago that combines the aesthetics of a '50's fender w/ ultra cool contmporary electronics...digressions aside, the CONKLIN MEU is awesome. i'm planning on plugging mine into my nord lead 2 + my sampler to open a real big can of major bass whoop-ass...peace, paul Michael S. Yoder wrote: > Hello all, > > Is there anyone out there who has experience with or knows the pros and > cons of the Zeta EB304 "Educator Bass," a hybrid bass guitar/upright bass? > If so, please share your thoughts with me. Please feel free to write to me > personally: myoder@tamiu.edu > > >From the pictures, it looks like it might be an awesome bass instrument for > looping and other purposes! > > Thank you very much. > > Best, > Michael Y. > > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > > Dr. Michael S. Yoder > Assistant Professor of Geography, > Coordinator of Urban Studies > Texas A&M International University > 5201 University Blvd. > Laredo, TX 78041 > Tel. (956) 326-2634; FAX (956) 326-2464 > Internet:myoder@tamiu.edu > > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=--=-=-=-== From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jul 19 12:45:34 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA15031; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 12:45:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 12:45:34 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <007f01bed203$24854080$252a10ac@Douglas> From: "K. Douglas Baldwin" To: , Subject: FX newsgroup? Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 12:23:40 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 Content-Type: text/plain; boundary="----------------------------"; charset="iso-8859-1" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"DkjFQ2.0.327.I5rat"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6989 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com With all this talk of distortion, rimg mods, mini synths, etc. I am wondering if anyone knows of a good FX newsgroup out there. Something at Looper's Delight level would be dreamy. My last experience was with discussions of "what pedal will get me to play just like Eddie Van Halen on 'Eruption' ". Which may be a valid search for that seeker, but I'd rather discuss sonic aluminum whiskers and what doesn't sound like anything (What's the sound of one foot stomping?) Douglas Baldwin From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jul 19 12:54:07 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA21640; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 12:54:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 12:54:07 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Sender: kapke@sgi.com Message-ID: <379354FB.843A2249@sgi.com> Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 11:40:27 -0500 From: Eric Kapke X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51C-SGI [en] (X11; I; IRIX 6.5 IP22) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Looper's Delight List" Subject: Space Echo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"f4OqU2.0.c83.zKrat"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6990 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Smoe one had posted that they had a Roland Space echo that was collecting dust and wanted to sell it. (I apologize, I forgot who it was) I was curious what kind of condition it is in and how much you would like to sell it for. Thanks Eric Kapke From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jul 19 13:39:50 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA03720; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 13:39:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 13:39:50 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <37935D18.4A79F749@node.net> Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 13:15:04 -0400 From: James Keepnews Reply-To: keepnews@node.net Organization: * - node - * X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: OT: distortion pedal advice/online loop thing Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"sy5_j1.0.b23.rprat"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6991 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com 1.) Am I the only person in the universe/this list who considers the Hughes & Kettner Tube Driver stomp the bestest distortion-in-a-box, like, ever? Their amp of the same name, I am sad to say, falls far short of the fourth-chakra cauterizing, tear-warm cry available simply by plugging a guitar into the "In" jack on the box and, then, plugging the "Out" jack of same into some form of amplification and sounding a note, any note...but never mind about that there. This could (but should not) scurry off into a tube-vs.-circuitry debate apropos distortion; many a digidistortion has pleasured me mightily and, yes, I prefer the valve to the board. But preferences are puny, trifling things when the question is related to That Tone. Freakin', H&K should, like, trademark the term "That Tone," is what they should do...actually, I don't think they're made anymore, are they? As it is, I don't have one -- the tubes in my Digitech 2112 (Alex Lifeson cracks are not at all welcome, although, admittedly, I make them all the time myself...) hot up its distortion to an acceptable runner-up status. 2.) Nick Didikovsky was one of the very first guitarists I ever heard employing the real-time, microprocessed algorithmic composition (or twelve) to their playing and still one of the _very_ few who have crafted alluring, even amusing, music from said. JSyn/JMSL may break experimentalism, uh, "wide" if enough Netscape users discover that one can make these strange damn sounds (looped ones, even) with several many bars to scroll and buttons to push, without regard to how they are achieved. May I also mention that Dr. Nerve, ND's band, is extremely accomplished and well worth your scrutiny/disposable income? Go. Hear. http://www.ingress.com/~drnerve . And further JSyn/JMSL/HMSL/&c. investigations may be initated at http://www.softsynth.com/. An algorithm is not necessarily a loop but, shit fire, it sure is directional. ----------------------------------------------------------------- ~ > --- James Keepnews --- < "Don't quote anybody, Sir!" (.-.) > -- Multimedia Yahoo -- < \ * -- Krishnamurti - > - keepnews@node.net - < ----------------------------------------------------------------- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jul 19 13:47:33 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA12902; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 13:47:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 13:47:33 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: bedwellm@WellsFargo.COM Message-ID: <5BA4EAE4ACF6D211BC540001FA7EB19629C3C2@xcem-casfo-11.wellsfargo.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: Space Echo Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 10:38:54 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2516.0) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"lS2jb1.0.Bs.RBsat"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6992 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com That was me. It's not totally covered in dust - it still works well. It is the 301 model. Sincerely, Micah Bedwell > -----Original Message----- > From: Eric Kapke [SMTP:kapke@sgi.com] > Sent: Monday, July 19, 1999 9:40 AM > To: Looper's Delight List > Subject: Space Echo > > Smoe one had posted that they had a Roland Space echo that was > collecting dust and wanted to sell it. (I apologize, I forgot who it > was) I was curious what kind of condition it is in and how much you > would like to sell it for. > > Thanks > > Eric Kapke > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jul 19 14:44:07 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA08070; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 14:44:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 14:44:07 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhUAq8P7EYxCwEBY4kusQmPeQbQLV+kCFBN2gcxJLcKyu8cPHsZlj7xg2Lj8 From: xenosapien@webtv.net (james lewis) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 11:22:14 -0700 (PDT) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: VORTEX for Sale/Trade Message-ID: <9714-37936CD6-11775@postoffice-102.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Resent-Message-ID: <"_T7Jd1.0.qv4.Gqsat"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6993 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I have a Vortex in excellent shape with TWO lexicon A/B footswitches, power supply, original owner's manual (very important) and an Ernie Ball volume pedal modified with a stereo 25k pot for use as an expression pedal. I really enjoy using this processor and am not really in any hurry to unload it but have an even greater need for a QUALITY! bass amp. I would prefer a combo but would entertain, head/cab or rackmount rig or some combination thereof. Please don't reply wanting to trade a Peavey basic 50 or small Crate practice amp. I might also consider a nice keyboard amp or powered monitor, or maybe even a short scale bass. Don't hesistate to suggest something else entirely. \ I have an asking price in mind to sell the vortex outright but I'd like to wait a week or so and see what trade offers trickle in before I offer it for sale. Rest assured, that the subscribers of LD will have the first crack at it. I'm sure adequate arrangements could be made for the logistics of a trade. I live in Seattle, Wa and can be reached at xenosapien@webtv.net or 206-706-1613 thanks franklin From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jul 20 14:56:11 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA22917; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 14:56:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 14:56:11 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <2148EC143F29D1118BE000805FC13CD0DB56B2@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: OT: distortion pedal advice Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 14:33:14 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Resent-Message-ID: <"tiozJ2.0.QW3.t4Cbt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6996 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > Hi, stig! > ** hey back at you. > Looking for a real Ringmodulator I just tried the Moogerfooger and while > it > has ample possibilities for tweaking stuff I found the overall sound > lacking grit and drive for guitar application, somehow a little tame. This > amased me 'cause the RM I use in my Boss SE-70 hasn't got a lot of > options, > but it wails! > > So I guess the Lovetone is more right on for stringers? Has anybody got > experience with an EH Frequenzy analyser (about to be reissued) - they are > supposed to sound quite anachic...! > ** in terms of the ring stinger . . . as mentioned previously, i haven't had a real opportunity to delve deeply into it. anarchaic? possibly (probably), it can do some pretty sick things. i haven't really been looking for anarchy - - yet. mostly clangorous sounds or sounds that have the notes i'm playing with additional non-harmonic information. i want to have a semblance of control over what's ahppening and the ring stinger's blend control seems to give it to me. however you can twiddle the vco tuning (carrier) knob and pretty much play the chaos that ensues from that . . . eh frequency analyzer? i played a friend's some 20 years ago and found it to be something that was hard ofr me to control in terms of what was really coming out - - in other words, the lack of a blend control was not good for me. i guess that i'm just too conservative and want to hear "real" notes! course the ring stinger is probably at least twice the cost . . . (three times the functions?) s From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jul 20 18:09:28 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA15326; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 18:09:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 18:09:28 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3794EFDE.7BE57F50@magelang.com> Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 15:53:34 -0600 From: Jim Coker Reply-To: jcoker@magelang.com Organization: Magelang Institute X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Subject: [Fwd: [OT] Announce: Ircam releases jMax under GNU's General PublicLicense] Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------ADD1E3DD7E9B7D7A1BF2120B" Resent-Message-ID: <"JbWtU.0.sD7.RzEbt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6997 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------ADD1E3DD7E9B7D7A1BF2120B Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit interesting tidbit.... --------------ADD1E3DD7E9B7D7A1BF2120B Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Disposition: inline X-POP3-Rcpt: jcoker@socrates Return-Path: Received: from ml1.magelang.com(really [205.217.47.226]) by socrates.nmia.com via sendmail with smtp id for ; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 09:36:28 -0600 (MDT) (Smail-3.2.0.106 1999-Mar-31 #3 built 1999-Apr-19) Received: (qmail 20515 invoked by uid 527); 20 Jul 1999 15:36:48 -0000 Delivered-To: jcoker@magelang.com Received: (qmail 20511 invoked from network); 20 Jul 1999 15:36:48 -0000 Received: from shoko.calarts.edu (156.3.140.104) by mail.magelang.com with SMTP; 20 Jul 1999 15:36:48 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by shoko.calarts.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA22635 for music-dsp-outgoing; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 07:40:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: shoko.calarts.edu: majordom set sender to owner-music-dsp@shoko.calarts.edu using -f Received: from [129.170.111.25] (otto.dartmouth.edu [129.170.111.25]) by shoko.calarts.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA22631 for ; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 07:40:32 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 10:40:30 -0400 To: music-dsp@shoko.calarts.edu From: douglas irving repetto Subject: [OT] Announce: Ircam releases jMax under GNU's General Public License Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by shoko.calarts.edu id HAA22632 Sender: owner-music-dsp@shoko.calarts.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: music-dsp@shoko.calarts.edu >>From owner-music-dsp Tue Jul 20 07:27:17 1999 >Received: from linotte.ircam.fr (linotte.ircam.fr [129.102.1.213]) > by shoko.calarts.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA22494 > for ; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 07:27:14 -0700 >(PDT) >Received: (from dechelle@localhost) > by linotte.ircam.fr (8.8.7/8.8.7) id QAA11751; > Tue, 20 Jul 1999 16:26:43 +0200 >Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 16:26:43 +0200 >Message-Id: <199907201426.QAA11751@linotte.ircam.fr> >X-Authentication-Warning: linotte.ircam.fr: dechelle set sender to >dechelle@linotte.ircam.fr using -f >From: Francois Dechelle >To: music-dsp@shoko.calarts.edu >Subject: [OT] Announce: Ircam releases jMax under GNU's General Public License > > >Ircam releases jMax under GNU's General Public License > >Paris, France (July 20, 1999) -- IRCAM announces the distribution of jMax, >its software environment for music performance and real time digital audio >processing, as free software under the GNU General Public License. > >Since its first public release for the SGI and Linux platforms in early >1999, jMax has reached several hundred users that expressed high interest in >the product and its development. This interest, added to the rapid growth of >the Linux operating system and the effectiveness of the open development >model, created the conditions for an opening of the jMax development. > >By releasing jMax under GNU's General Public License, IRCAM brings a key >contribution to the computer music community and to the adoption of Linux >for the multimedia market. > >jMax is the new generation of real time systems at IRCAM, designed to >replace the Ircam Signal Processing Workstation. Based on a client/server >architecture, wherein the two components are the C written real-time engine >already known as FTS and a Java graphical user interface, jMax features a >high portability level. > >jMax is currently supported on SGI workstations and on Linux for >Intel-compatible processors. Porting to other platforms are under >development, including Alpha-Linux, Linux-PPC, Solaris, Apple MacOS X and >Microsoft's Windows. Compatibilities with Max/MSP (IRCAM/Opcode/Cycling'74) >currently running on MacOS will be pursued. > >Support, documentation, tutorials, CDROMs and musical applications for jMax >will be provided by the IRCAM Forum, the IRCAM user group accessible via a >yearly subscription. IRCAM Forum can be reached at >http://www.ircam.fr/departements/valorisation/forum/index-e.html. > >jMax is currently being developed at IRCAM by the Real Time Systems team, >lead by FranÁois DČchelle, with Maurizio de Cecco, Enzo Maggi and Norbert >Schnell. > >jMax is currently used in concert and in studio, at Ircam and on >international tours, for productions featuring real time audio synthesis and >processing, as well as for virtual reality interactive installations that >combine image and sound synthesis. > >For more information and download, please visit IRCAM's Web site at : >http://www.ircam.fr/jmax/ > >IRCAM (Institut de Recherche et de Coordination Acoustique/ Musique) is a >non-profit organization associated with the Georges Pompidou National Center >of Art and Culture, Paris, France. Since its foundation in 1969 by the >French composer and conductor Pierre Boulez, IRCAM has always been a pioneer >in designing real time systems for live interaction between instruments and >computers. The first generation of systems lead in 1981 to the 4X processor, >designed at IRCAM by Giuseppe Di Giugno. In the 80s, Miller Puckette started >developing at IRCAM the Max software, a visual language that brought a new >concept in musical interaction. Max, licensed to Opcode Systems Inc., CA, >has reached a wide audience in the computer music community. The IRCAM >Signal Processing Workstation, designed in 1989 at IRCAM by a team leaded by >Eric Lindemann, has been adopted by a large number of composers as a choice >platform for real time interactive musical pieces. > >Contact : FranÁois DČchelle IRCAM 1, place Igor Stravinsky F-75004 PARIS >FRANCE > >Fax : +33 1 44 78 15 40 email : jmax-info@ircam.fr > >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >(C) Copyright IRCAM-Centre Georges Pompidou 1999, All Rights Reserved >Max, jMax and FTS are registered trademarks of IRCAM >All other trademarks are the property of their respective owners. > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- douglas irving repetto nee irving bellemead http://music.dartmouth.edu/~douglas music-dsp mailing list web site: http://shoko.calarts.edu/~glmrboy/musicdsp -------------------------------------------------------------------------- dupswapdrop: the music-dsp mailing list and website http://shoko.calarts.edu/~glmrboy/musicdsp/music-dsp.html --------------ADD1E3DD7E9B7D7A1BF2120B-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jul 20 19:33:18 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA08430; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 19:33:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 19:33:18 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 00:24:02 +0100 Subject: Re: OT: distortion pedal advice From: "Martin Shellard" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Resent-Message-ID: <"rhjQV2.0.j8.ELGbt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6998 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com We have an EH frequency analyzer here, it's a straight forward ring mod effect, if you like ring mod you'll love it but I would recommend that you try the Mooger Fooger ring mod, better quality and more patching options. Martin Shellard ---------- > eh frequency analyzer? i played a friend's some 20 years ago and > found it to be something that was hard ofr me to control in terms of what > was really coming out - - in other words, the lack of a blend control was > not good for me. i guess that i'm just too conservative and want to hear > "real" notes! From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jul 21 06:07:37 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA28798; Wed, 21 Jul 1999 06:07:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 06:07:37 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990721095445.98882.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [208.24.138.175] From: "matthew taint" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: loopers in Austin??? Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 04:54:44 CDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"nKBTP3.0.nn6._aPbt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7000 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Are there any looping folk from the Austin area who would like to get together and maybe start a band? Here's my looping gear (wheeeeee!): '62 fender jaguar roland vg-8 whammy-pedal (and a revolving cast of pedals) rack w/: midiverb 4 oberheim echoplex lexicon jamman alesis m-eq 230 marshall jcm 900 halfstack fender twin Here's some of the stuff I like: Stars Of The Lid Labradford My Bloody Valentine bernhard guenter some Robert Fripp some brian eno godspeed you black emperor (not much loop content...but hey) If anyone is interested PLEASE get in touch. thanks, Matthew Garrett _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jul 21 08:02:05 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA04916; Wed, 21 Jul 1999 08:02:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 08:02:05 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 07:55:35 -0400 From: Andreas Willers Subject: RE: OT: distortion pedal advice Sender: Andreas Willers To: "INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Message-ID: <199907210755_MC2-7DB7-96D2@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by rosy.yourwebhost.com id HAA04446 Resent-Message-ID: <"II1mV1.0.j51.lLRbt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7001 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com -------------------- Begin Original Message -------------------- Message text written by INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com "i played a friend's some 20 years ago and found it to be something that was hard" -------------------- End Original Message -------------------- We're getting old, aren't we? A band I was once co-founding and played in for a couple of years last year did the 20th anniversary tour...uups. Andreas From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jul 21 19:37:59 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA00546; Wed, 21 Jul 1999 19:37:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 19:37:59 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: PMimlitsch@aol.com Message-ID: <7192bd22.24c7b103@aol.com> Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 19:25:55 EDT Subject: test To: taptalk@progrock.net, Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, stickwire-l@majordomo.netcom.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0.1 for Mac sub 84 Resent-Message-ID: <"oWfoU1.0.Lq7.dVbbt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7002 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Is anybody out there? From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jul 21 19:52:02 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA01995; Wed, 21 Jul 1999 19:52:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 19:52:02 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: bedwellm@WellsFargo.COM Message-ID: <5BA4EAE4ACF6D211BC540001FA7EB19629C3FB@xcem-casfo-11.wellsfargo.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: test Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 16:47:28 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"Q9LCT1.0.YP.6nbbt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7003 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com "Cheep." Micah > -----Original Message----- > From: PMimlitsch@aol.com [SMTP:PMimlitsch@aol.com] > Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 1999 4:26 PM > To: taptalk@progrock.net; Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com; > stickwire-l@majordomo.netcom.com > Subject: test > > Is anybody out there? From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jul 21 20:38:38 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA07423; Wed, 21 Jul 1999 20:38:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 20:38:38 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990722002905.64288.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [165.227.130.40] From: "David Potter" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: test... No Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 17:29:05 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"ppZ_03.0.va1.KOcbt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7004 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com no >From: PMimlitsch@aol.com >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >To: taptalk@progrock.net, Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, >stickwire-l@majordomo.netcom.com >Subject: test >Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 19:25:55 EDT > >Is anybody out there? > _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jul 21 20:44:57 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA08303; Wed, 21 Jul 1999 20:44:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 20:44:57 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <379668D5.29A@club-internet.fr> Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 02:41:57 +0200 From: PERILLE Reply-To: perille@club-internet.fr X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 [fr]C-CLUB (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Quite quiet Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"ih1SW3.0.yx1.iZcbt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7005 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com It sounds like loopers has all gone on holidays. "Silence radio" Emmanuel From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jul 21 20:50:56 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA09099; Wed, 21 Jul 1999 20:50:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 20:50:56 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <002101bed3dc$2ac6f3a0$79f538cb@oemcomputer> From: "Steven Woods" To: References: <7192bd22.24c7b103@aol.com> Subject: Re: test Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 10:50:15 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <"lx8aN1.0.V92.Afcbt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7006 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Yes ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; ; Sent: Thursday, July 22, 1999 9:25 AM Subject: test > Is anybody out there? > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jul 21 20:58:07 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA09996; Wed, 21 Jul 1999 20:58:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 20:58:07 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: KB305@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 20:53:28 EDT Subject: Re: test To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 10 Resent-Message-ID: <"JuzTk2.0.hK2.Klcbt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7007 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 7/21/99 7:50:32 PM Central Daylight Time, swoods@comcen.com.au writes: << Is anybody out there? >> I'm sure they are. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jul 21 22:33:34 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA21009; Wed, 21 Jul 1999 22:33:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 22:33:34 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <002b01bed3e7$fbc5c160$5d23dacf@sgoodman> Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: <7192bd22.24c7b103@aol.com> Subject: Re: test Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 19:14:51 -0700 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: <"0Ggtw3.0.wY4.Axdbt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7008 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Old European Parable: (in the middle of the night) ASA: Hans, are you asleep? HANS: What are you doing? ASA: I need to borrow some bread! HANS: I am asleep. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; ; Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 1999 16:25 PM Subject: test > Is anybody out there? > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jul 21 23:51:29 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA30254; Wed, 21 Jul 1999 23:51:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 23:51:29 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990722031652.32195.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [209.181.94.140] From: "Greg S" To: References: <379668D5.29A@club-internet.fr> Subject: Re: Quite quiet Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 20:15:40 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: <"eNHIC.0.2V6.frebt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7009 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I was rather enjoying listening to the silence repeat itself. A good exercise once in a while for busy communities (be the "cyber" or physical). Without silence, would we ever really appreciate music? From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jul 22 00:02:17 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA31527; Thu, 22 Jul 1999 00:02:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 00:02:17 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199907220336.XAA27708@smtp1.mindspring.com> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 23:42:59 -0400 Subject: Re: test From: "Christopher White" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Q8ET8.0.Y27.Y7fbt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7011 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com i am so here.....so so here ---------- >From: "Steven Woods" >To: >Subject: Re: test >Date: Wed, Jul 21, 1999, 8:50 PM > >Yes >----- Original Message ----- >From: >To: ; ; > >Sent: Thursday, July 22, 1999 9:25 AM >Subject: test > > >> Is anybody out there? >> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jul 21 23:57:19 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA30842; Wed, 21 Jul 1999 23:57:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 23:57:19 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Hawkeye255@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 23:35:14 EDT Subject: Re: test To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Resent-Message-ID: <"aFo-p.0.Y17.y6fbt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7010 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com No. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jul 22 00:22:38 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA02977; Thu, 22 Jul 1999 00:22:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 00:22:38 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: KB305@aol.com Message-ID: <6bc7c76b.24c7f1ef@aol.com> Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 00:02:55 EDT Subject: Re: Quite quiet To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 10 Resent-Message-ID: <"hmcwu1.0.3n7.AXfbt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7012 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 7/21/99 10:51:06 PM Central Daylight Time, g716@hotmail.com writes: << Without silence, would we ever really appreciate music? >> Or the radio? From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jul 22 01:53:17 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA15477; Thu, 22 Jul 1999 01:53:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 01:53:17 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990722053628.15290.rocketmail@web130.yahoomail.com> Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 01:36:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Bret Subject: Re: Quite quiet To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"7EgKO3.0.wB3.isgbt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7013 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Perhaps we are all holding our breath while we wait to see how much those EDP are going to auction for at Ebay: 46 minutes remain and the 1st EDP is $910 (no foot controller) and a whopping $152.50 for the Footpedal! And we thought Gisbon wanted a lot for the footpedal. Somebody REALLY wants an EDP. EDP #2 is at $910 (with footpedal), with 6 hrs 27 min to go. If there are any other REALLY desparate folks wanting an EDP, send me an Email, make me an offer I can't refuse. echoplex@yahoo.com bret _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jul 22 03:26:46 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA26257; Thu, 22 Jul 1999 03:26:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 03:26:46 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Phaedebk@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 03:18:35 EDT Subject: Re: test To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 4 Resent-Message-ID: <"cw0SF2.0.ZF6.UOibt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7014 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com And another Pink Floyd Song is played... ;) From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jul 22 03:32:39 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA26738; Thu, 22 Jul 1999 03:32:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 03:32:39 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <005d01bed413$0e3e8cc0$f891480c@oemcomputer> From: "Michael Davis" To: References: <19990722053628.15290.rocketmail@web130.yahoomail.com> Subject: Re: Quite quiet Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 00:20:33 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: <"YwKkj2.0.qM6.dSibt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7015 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com maytan music in reno nevada has one with the foot controller for around $800. vince gates the dept manager offered it to me for that much a week ago. but i decided to wait for the new ones. have at it kids. Chris Davis ----- Original Message ----- From: Bret To: Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 1999 10:36 PM Subject: Re: Quite quiet > Perhaps we are all holding our breath while we wait to > see how much those EDP are going to auction for at > Ebay: > > 46 minutes remain and the 1st EDP is $910 (no foot > controller) and a whopping $152.50 for the Footpedal! > > And we thought Gisbon wanted a lot for the footpedal. > > Somebody REALLY wants an EDP. > > EDP #2 is at $910 (with footpedal), with 6 hrs 27 min > to go. > > If there are any other REALLY desparate folks wanting > an EDP, send me an Email, make me an offer I can't > refuse. echoplex@yahoo.com > bret > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jul 22 07:05:53 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA10151; Thu, 22 Jul 1999 07:05:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 07:05:53 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990722110050.6108.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [165.227.130.23] From: "David Potter" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: test Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 04:00:50 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"xRAfb3.0.lO2.belbt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7016 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com OOOOOOOOOOOOOmmmmmmmmmm and OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOuttttttttttttttttt >From: Phaedebk@aol.com >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Subject: Re: test >Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 03:18:35 EDT > >And another Pink Floyd Song is played... > >;) > > _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jul 22 10:38:13 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA31000; Thu, 22 Jul 1999 10:38:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 10:38:13 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199907221430.HAA08954@scv2.apple.com> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 09:30:25 -0500 Subject: FS: tc 2290 $1190 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: "Looper's Delight" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"79slp3.0.TJ7.hiobt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7017 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >From Harmony Central, respond to: charliehitchcock@hotmail.com T.C. ELECTRONICS 2290 DELAY Asking Price: US$1190 Condition: Mint Age: 4 years Description: T.C. Electronics 2990 delay modual. in perfect condition since its aways been in my rack. if you want the best digital delay in the world this is it.please feel free to call me or email me if you have any questions (805)-564-8902 Seller: charlie hitchcock, 805-564-8902 E-mail: charliehitchcock@hotmail.com (Profile) Location: SANTA BARBARA, CA Post Date: 7/21/99 From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jul 22 11:43:45 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA08287; Thu, 22 Jul 1999 11:43:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 11:43:45 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 11:24:01 -0400 (EDT) From: billfox@lucent.com (William_B_Fox) Message-Id: <199907221524.LAA25629@badboy.micro.lucent.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: EMUSIC Playlist Resent-Message-ID: <"fT7S_1.0.FJ1._Upbt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7018 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Playlist for "EMUSIC" "EMUSIC," an electronic, ambient, and space music show, airs each Thursday at 11pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ. http://www.wdiyfm.org/schedule/s_emusic.html Show #123 July 15, 1999. Host: Bill Fox http://www.wdiyfm.org billfox@fast.net On this show, I continued the month-long focus on Steve Roach. Steve is such a prolific composer that his work bears repeated attention. The feature CD at midnight was the second disc of Quiet Music, a two disc release on the Fortuna label. Steve Roach : http://www.steveroach.com EMUSIC Focus : http://www.wdiyfm.org/emusic/playlists/focus.html ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================= 11:00 pm Arttek Chill of Change Sometime Friend Jean Michel Jarre Parts 2 and 3 Oxygene (Dreyfus) Synergy (Larry Fast) Legacy Electronic Realizations for Rock Orchestra (Third Contact) Wendy Carlos Timesteps Clockwork Orange (East Side Digital) Cerulan Humalien This Level, Earth (none) 12:00 am Steve Roach The Green Place Quiet Music (Fortuna) Steve Roach Sleep and Dreaming Quiet Music (Fortuna) 1:00 am * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) On the next EMUSIC, I will continue the month-long focus on Steve Roach. This prolific composer is the master of tribal ambient and constantly forges new sonic territory to explore. The Feature CD at Midnight will be his recent collaboration with Vir Unis, Body Electric on the Projekt label. Please visit the WDIY web site and navigate through the schedule to the EMUSIC pages. Playlists for every show are there. Hot links to artists and labels can be found in the monthly focus section. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jul 22 13:19:36 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA22218; Thu, 22 Jul 1999 13:19:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 13:19:36 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 10:15:56 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel) Subject: Portland gig Resent-Message-ID: <"VHiGn2.0.945.y2rbt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7019 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Let me break the silence around here with a bit of blatent self-promo, if I may. My band Minus will be playing in Portland this friday, July 23, at the Tugboat Brewpub, 711 SW Ankeny, just off Broadway. The music starts at 9, and there's no cover, though donations will be gladly accepted. This is our first Portland gig in over a year. Minus is a multi-directional power trio, consisting of Mark France on guitar, myself on bass and electronics, and Henry Franzoni on drums. Our stuff ranges from free improvisation to Black Sabbath covers. There will be 2 JamMen and a Boomerang, for those keeping loop-device score-cards. ________________________________________________________ Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org : www.peak.org/~improv/ "...there will come a day when you won't have to use gasoline. You'd simply take a cassette and put it in your car, let it run. You'd have to have the proper type of music. Like you take two sticks, put 'em together, make fire. You take some notes and rub 'em together - dum, dum, dum, dum - fire, cosmic fire." -Sun Ra ________________________________________________________ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jul 22 16:48:46 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA21361; Thu, 22 Jul 1999 16:48:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 16:48:46 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199907222030.NAA38398@scv2.apple.com> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 15:30:24 -0500 Subject: Looping shows in Austin,Texas this weekend From: "Travis Hartnett" To: "Looper's Delight" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"aiudL2.0.UZ4.G-tbt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7020 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com For those of you in the Central Texas area, here are some looping-oriented performances happening this weekend: * Friday, July 23rd, 8PM, Tiktok at Borders Books and Music * Friday, July 23rd, 11PM, Futura at Offcenter (as part of the StrangeAttractoR event) * Sunday, July 25th, 10PM, Futura live on KVRX 91.7FM Travis Hartnett _________________ Tiktok, Austin's premier one-man ambient band http://home.sprintmail.com/~tiktok/index.html From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jul 22 22:46:36 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA02179; Thu, 22 Jul 1999 22:46:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 22:46:36 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Doug Lawrence" To: Subject: For those who want an EH 16-sec delay Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 22:27:13 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3794EFDE.7BE57F50@magelang.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: <"VwOCP1.0.9z7.QFzbt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7021 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Pedalworld has a ~mint~ one for sale with the foot pedal. I can only imagine how much they want! http://www.pedalworld.com/pedalworld_com/pw_pictures/eh16secfs.jpg From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jul 22 23:00:52 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA03734; Thu, 22 Jul 1999 23:00:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 23:00:52 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3797D918.5BF36E80@edzone.net> Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 22:53:12 -0400 From: Jim Olson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.07 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: here! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"2ESgE3.0.km.vdzbt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7022 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I made it! Jim... From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jul 22 23:33:17 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA07382; Thu, 22 Jul 1999 23:33:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 23:33:17 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3797D918.5BF36E80@edzone.net> Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 23:26:28 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Patrick Smith Subject: Re: here! Resent-Message-ID: <"oD4n9.0.jf1.O5-bt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7023 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >I made it! > >Jim... good....WELCOME! Fingerpaint's New Release: IN THE LOOP ... an intelligent, stimulating mixture of mimimaist spacebeats and obscure samples layered upon a hypnotic illbient backdrop. DIGITAL ARTIFACT # 12 http://www.fingerpaint.net From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jul 23 02:17:01 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA30471; Fri, 23 Jul 1999 02:17:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 02:17:01 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 00:43:50 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199907230643.AAA01819@servidor.unam.mx> X-Sender: smaug@servidor.unam.mx (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Andy Soto Subject: ZOOM GFX707 Resent-Message-ID: <"VVrBS3.0.6s5.O90ct"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7024 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com What about this stomp box? "sampler-looper", "Live guitar processor" and even "drum machine"(45 PCM-sampled rhythm patterns, mmmh, I wonder if it has some jungle beats on it...)? has anyone in the list tried one of this??? Andy. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jul 23 06:52:36 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA08943; Fri, 23 Jul 1999 06:52:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 06:52:36 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Reply-To: "m.hughes" From: "Michael P. Hughes, PhD" To: Loopers-Delight Subject: Loopers Delight Digest? Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 11:25:40 -0700 Message-ID: <000001bed538$c499c810$acb6e383@me-biopc-22.mech.surrey.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0001_01BED4FE.183AF010" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <199907190725.DAA10611@rosy.yourwebhost.com> X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: 00000000E847FFEA95FDD211B35400C04F68548944E62000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"X4XiX3.0.Yl1.lD4ct"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7025 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01BED4FE.183AF010 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear all (especially Kim), Is anyone threre? I don't think I've had a digest since Monday. Has everyone gone on holiday? Whilst I'm here, some longer-resident loopers will recall that every so often I'd rave about Ed Alleyne-Johnson, a looping electric violinist from Liverpool. He constructs fugue-like pieces using an old 8-sec Digitech delay (see how useful they can be!!!). It's absolutely gorgeous. Anyway, now evidence can be found of this - there are samples, and a distributor, on the WWW. Go to: http://spasm.redcat.org.uk/~graham/alleyne-johnson/ Sadly the samples are too short to really get the looping going, but they give a good idea of the flavour of music involved. Not so keen on the recent vocal stuff, tho. _____________________________________________________________ Mike Hughes, Ph.D. Tel: (+44) 1483 300800 x2344 Lecturer in Biomedical Engineering, Fax: (+44) 1483 306039 University of Surrey, EMail: m.hughes@surrey.ac.uk Guildford, Surrey, UK www.surrey.ac.uk/MME/Research/BioMed ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01BED4FE.183AF010 Content-Type: application/ms-tnef; name="winmail.dat" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="winmail.dat" eJ8+IigSAQaQCAAEAAAAAAABAAEAAQeQBgAIAAAA5AQAAAAAAADoAAEIgAcAGAAAAElQTS5NaWNy b3NvZnQgTWFpbC5Ob3RlADEIAQ2ABAACAAAAAgACAAEGgAMADgAAAM8HBwAXAAsAGQAAAAUAHQEB A5AGAEwJAAAqAAAACwACAAEAAAALACMAAAAAAAMAJgAAAAAACwApAAAAAAALACsAAAAAAAMALgAA AAAAAwA2AAAAAAAeAHAAAQAAABgAAABMb29wZXJzIERlbGlnaHQgRGlnZXN0PwACAXEAAQAAABYA AAABvtU4wzFn7ppsQSkR07NxAMBPaFSJAAACAR0MAQAAACUAAABTTVRQOk5NUzFNSEBNSUNST01B SUxFUi5TVVJSRVkuQUMuVUsAAAAACwABDgAAAABAAAYOAOZirDjVvgECAQoOAQAAABgAAAAAAAAA 6Ef/6pX90hGzVADAT2hUicKAAAALAB8OAQAAAAMABhDJUvSrAwAHEAYDAAAeAAgQAQAAAGUAAABE RUFSQUxMKEVTUEVDSUFMTFlLSU0pLElTQU5ZT05FVEhSRVJFP0lET05UVEhJTktJVkVIQURBRElH RVNUU0lOQ0VNT05EQVlIQVNFVkVSWU9ORUdPTkVPTkhPTElEQVk/V0hJAAAAAAIBCRABAAAAkgQA AI4EAABwBgAATFpGdTFGmSoDAAoAcmNwZzEyNRYyAPgLYG4OEDAzM+kBVTM2AeggAqQEZAIAiHBy cQBQZmNoCsDgc2V0MCAIVQKDEdE3A+QHEwKAfQqACMggO3sJbw4wNRU/CmACgAqBdT5jAFALAwzQ AcEMwTE0MjQY0jIxEAAZUjg4JxjSD/EY0jQzGMM1MMkZMzU3GaM2NBoTAcG1HFM5GMM4HCAY0jkP 8b8Y4hqAGhMPQBoQGNMxDkDZGNMyMhkzDiA5HgQP8LcehBkhGNM1DiAhlDggBPw2NR4EAcAehB7x I5QYtfo5GSUwGZUecBoTGYIZQy4yGuQm4BtSYwBBdWyKbgIgZQumIERlCsFrB0ADICgHkHAFkAcx bMh5IEsHcCksCqIKgbMMkysIIEkEIABweSghmCB0aBagFqA/ICvgdCBkAiAnBUAskAuAa9kr4Cd2 LHASEGQpIC0wnGlnB5AFQACQbmMscEJNAiBkYXkuLQBIqmEEIGUuIHIsQ2csUtcCIC5ABvBpL7E/ KoUqk9pXLbBsLvEuAG0uQCzBfiwvEANwLHAJAA8gBJAt3xagAJABAAIwM/FvKaASMG4gA/ApQRag YykyLJBh/wVAMFMzoTEgAYAJ8C3xLnC8cmEuIQGgCGAFQEUucBJBKUBleSgwLUpvfmgAgAIgM5Au kDUCC4BnEzBAOMBjdAUQYyB2HmkxcQMALvEDUiBMafUwYXA1EGwv4ixwBaAAgIs6kBgAdAQgZnVn ClB6LTGAayxwOgAFkAeRdZ8vITowA5EG8C5wOC0SQPU6wEQuwGk3QBIALTA6UO8vwClgEkAuMW8H 4D6QARAfJ/AsgTjQPLADkWJlIUVCYCkv4Ul0JywBYt8zsApAN0AqATDgci7QCGDqcy/hQSwwdy/A M5AoEP8H4DBQNKIvUUIEO3AIYC+g9zcRLZIEIC1BohagKSBHcfhzYW0LUAeQOZFGcS6S+TzxaWI4 QAWwM5AxMUGxbCBXShAv4Uc3AElQOh8K4zImJ+EuQAJAcDovZi8pkDAgbS4WoTXwdIIuQ+EudWsv fgnAsmESEG0vKTE402o5NO4vJ+Yx+QYQZCoBSdJH5fdHk0lQNwBzMWAAIEqRNcH/KeMu0C2CM+I5 9DDgOhEzkL9JMUGkP+A34jDRBHAgNKFvLpBGo0YhC2B2CGFGkm2vPpE6wAuAVpBsLiBkL+H8Tm8v ATcAPfA3UUmlNdHPNMJWkDXxLxB0dQEgM5A5LJBvLkrrGEknsDIgvl9cn12vXr9fVyqETT3iDkg9 gDNQSEFQaC5Emy/hYetUOlBKwCgrGSDEKSAZEDgzICdgHuLuICdBGSAqhEw6cQhwBJB5V2EgQjrw B4AusFniRT8PIAuACeAFEFQSYeFGYWZ4Yw0QADM5DIMqk1W3AwAwYQCQdCoQRqFTCHDnFqBE0WHp RU0LcGLxTJDSaGEjQHNqUy4A0E1R02HiKoRHdQMQZAIQCyBTM5BqRlVLYeJ3b2AugWx6L01NRS9S B5DrKPESAC9lsU0JgBMyW09fJ7AC0QFAKpMUUQBz8AAAAwAQEAAAAAADABEQAAAAAB4AQhABAAAA LQAAADwxOTk5MDcxOTA3MjUuREFBMTA2MTFAcm9zeS55b3Vyd2ViaG9zdC5jb20+AAAAAAsAAIAI IAYAAAAAAMAAAAAAAABGAAAAAAOFAAAAAAAAAwACgAggBgAAAAAAwAAAAAAAAEYAAAAAEIUAAAAA AAADAAWACCAGAAAAAADAAAAAAAAARgAAAABShQAA8BMAAB4AJYAIIAYAAAAAAMAAAAAAAABGAAAA AFSFAAABAAAABAAAADguNQADACaACCAGAAAAAADAAAAAAAAARgAAAAABhQAAAAAAAAsAL4AIIAYA AAAAAMAAAAAAAABGAAAAAA6FAAAAAAAAAwAwgAggBgAAAAAAwAAAAAAAAEYAAAAAEYUAAAAAAAAD ADKACCAGAAAAAADAAAAAAAAARgAAAAAYhQAAAAAAAB4AQYAIIAYAAAAAAMAAAAAAAABGAAAAADaF AAABAAAAAQAAAAAAAAAeAEKACCAGAAAAAADAAAAAAAAARgAAAAA3hQAAAQAAAAEAAAAAAAAAHgBD gAggBgAAAAAAwAAAAAAAAEYAAAAAOIUAAAEAAAABAAAAAAAAAAsAxoALIAYAAAAAAMAAAAAAAABG AAAAAACIAAAAAAAACwDIgAsgBgAAAAAAwAAAAAAAAEYAAAAABYgAAAAAAAALANaACCAGAAAAAADA AAAAAAAARgAAAAAGhQAAAAAAAAsA2oAIIAYAAAAAAMAAAAAAAABGAAAAAIKFAAABAAAAAgH4DwEA AAAQAAAA6Ef/6pX90hGzVADAT2hUiQIB+g8BAAAAEAAAAOhH/+qV/dIRs1QAwE9oVIkCAfsPAQAA AE4AAAAAAAAAOKG7EAXlEBqhuwgAKypWwgAAUFNUUFJYLkRMTAAAAAAAAAAATklUQfm/uAEAqgA3 2W4AAABDOlxXSU5OVFxvdXRsb29rLnBzdAAAAAMA/g8FAAAAAwANNP03AAACAX8AAQAAADEAAAAw MDAwMDAwMEU4NDdGRkVBOTVGREQyMTFCMzU0MDBDMDRGNjg1NDg5NDRFNjIwMDAAAAAALDs= ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01BED4FE.183AF010-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jul 23 09:12:23 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA21301; 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charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The following "new old stock" items are for sale at East Coast Music = Mall: Oberheim Echoplex Digital Pro (Order Number 2K OBE 1226) - $499.00 US Oberheim Echoplex Control Pedal (Order Number 2K OBE 1174) - $99.00 US East Coast Music Mall 25 Hayestown Road Danbury, CT E-mail: eastcst@i84.net Website: www.eastcoastmusic.com Phone: 800-901-2001 or 203-748-2799 I saw them listed on page 26 of the July/August 1999 edition of = "Musicians Hotline" magazine. 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The following "new old = stock" items=20 are for sale at East Coast Music Mall:
 
Oberheim Echoplex Digital Pro (Order = Number 2K=20 OBE 1226) - $499.00 US
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Mark Kata
Shelby Township,=20 Michigan
------=_NextPart_000_000D_01BED4EA.26D854A0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jul 23 10:45:22 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA31501; Fri, 23 Jul 1999 10:45:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 10:45:22 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <379877BD.6E787E1A@edzone.net> Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 10:10:05 -0400 From: Jim Olson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Looper List Subject: old echoplex Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------554C80C4030D750E84960EE6" Resent-Message-ID: <"dmlro.0.Cd6.zT7ct"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7027 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------554C80C4030D750E84960EE6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey people! I have an old Echoplex sitting in my garage that needs some help, but it's really of no use to me anymore. It actually kind of worked about 15 years ago, but it does need help. I'm enclosing the link to the pics I took yesterday. http://www.edzone.net/~jolson/echo1.jpg http://www.edzone.net/~jolson/echo2.jpg Anyone interested? Jim... --------------554C80C4030D750E84960EE6 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="jolson.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Jim Olson Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="jolson.vcf" begin:vcard n:Olson;Jim tel;work:517-828-6601 x412 x-mozilla-html:FALSE url:www.edzone.net/~jolson org:Shepherd Public Schools adr:;;100 Hall St.;Shepherd;MI;48883; version:2.1 email;internet:jolson@edzone.net title:Technology Coordinator fn:Jim Olson end:vcard --------------554C80C4030D750E84960EE6-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jul 23 10:58:46 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA01181; Fri, 23 Jul 1999 10:58:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 10:58:46 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: forbin.syr.edu: msottila owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 10:38:17 -0400 (EDT) From: Mark Sottilaro X-Sender: msottila@forbin.syr.edu To: "Looper's Delight" Subject: WonderRoadTrip&loop'n In-Reply-To: <199907222030.NAA38398@scv2.apple.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"6L_2-3.0.iU7.-v7ct"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7028 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hey, The index page of my roadtrip webpage is up and running. Now I just have to leave to get some content! I'm out of here! Thanks to all for the info, I shall try to use it for good instead of evil. The URL is: http://www.crankbunny.com/WonderRoadTrip/index.html Also, thanks to Norma @ crankbunny for hosting us. Check out her page @ www.crankbunny.com See you in SF Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jul 23 11:03:25 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA02342; Fri, 23 Jul 1999 11:03:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 11:03:25 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199907231457.HAA22396@scv3.apple.com> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 09:57:49 -0500 Subject: New looping pedal--Line 6 DL-4 Delay Modeler. From: "Travis Hartnett" To: "Looper's Delight" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"_94b82.0.tH.SC8ct"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7030 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Let's hope they did a better job than Akai did on the frustrating Headrush. http://www.harmony-central.com/Newp/SNAMM99/Line_6/DL4-DM4-MM4.html Travis Hartnett -- Tiktok: Austin's Premier One-Man Ambient Band http://home.sprintmail.com/~tiktok/ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jul 23 11:08:34 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA03282; Fri, 23 Jul 1999 11:08:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 11:08:34 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990723150055.44883.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [206.129.243.247] From: "Dan Bartell" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: NEW LOOPER Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 08:00:54 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"gZVgs2.0.fU.gF8ct"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7031 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Here's another new looper, how much buzz do you think it'll create? Line 6 DL4 Delay Modeler Programmable Delay & 14 Second Loop Sampler Digital modeling of 16 vintage delay and echo effects. Including: Tube Echoplex, Space Echo, Deluxe Memory Man, Analog Delay, Reverse, and many more! 3 programmable presets and on board Tap Tempo control 14 seconds of sample loop memory True Bypass switching Expression pedal input- for real time control of all effect settings Stereo in & outputs Retal Price $289 They also have a couple of other pedals out, check it out at Harmony Central!!! Dan _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jul 23 11:04:13 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA02490; Fri, 23 Jul 1999 11:04:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 11:04:13 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <70CA3F163AFED21197F100805FBB030F32C0A7@whi_exchange.malcolmpirnie.com> From: "Wordsman, Lee" To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: old echoplex Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 10:58:32 -0400 Importance: low X-Priority: 5 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <"vRJVa2.0.lE.UB8ct"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7029 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I couldn't get the links to work but man this guy has some heavy, conservative, opinionated stuff on his home page. I'd rather not be exposed to that kind of stuff. It nearly spoiled my day. > -----Original Message----- > From: Jim Olson [mailto:jolson@edzone.net] > Sent: Friday, July 23, 1999 10:10 AM > To: Looper List > Subject: old echoplex > > > Hey people! > > I have an old Echoplex sitting in my garage that needs some help, but > it's really of no use to me anymore. It actually kind of worked about > 15 years ago, but it does need help. > > I'm enclosing the link to the pics I took yesterday. > http://www.edzone.net/~jolson/echo1.jpg http://www.edzone.net/~jolson/echo2.jpg Anyone interested? Jim... From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jul 23 11:41:16 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA08103; Fri, 23 Jul 1999 11:41:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 11:41:16 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: bedwellm@WellsFargo.COM Message-ID: <5BA4EAE4ACF6D211BC540001FA7EB19629C419@xcem-casfo-11.wellsfargo.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: old echoplex Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 08:29:59 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2516.0) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"Qc4Zn1.0.Fa1.Yg8ct"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7033 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Me, either. Forgot my request for the echoplex. Micah Bedwell Systems Analyst Private Client Services Pager: 800.800.9456 Office: 415.222.3686 > -----Original Message----- > From: Wordsman, Lee [SMTP:LWordsman@PIRNIE.COM] > Sent: Friday, July 23, 1999 7:59 AM > To: 'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com' > Subject: RE: old echoplex > Importance: Low > > I couldn't get the links to work but man this guy has some heavy, > conservative, opinionated stuff on his home page. I'd rather not be > exposed > to that kind of stuff. It nearly spoiled my day. > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Jim Olson [mailto:jolson@edzone.net] > > Sent: Friday, July 23, 1999 10:10 AM > > To: Looper List > > Subject: old echoplex > > > > > > Hey people! > > > > I have an old Echoplex sitting in my garage that needs some help, but > > it's really of no use to me anymore. It actually kind of worked about > > 15 years ago, but it does need help. > > > > I'm enclosing the link to the pics I took yesterday. > > > http://www.edzone.net/~jolson/echo1.jpg > http://www.edzone.net/~jolson/echo2.jpg > > Anyone interested? > > Jim... From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jul 23 11:40:59 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA08044; Fri, 23 Jul 1999 11:40:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 11:40:59 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: bedwellm@WellsFargo.COM Message-ID: <5BA4EAE4ACF6D211BC540001FA7EB19629C418@xcem-casfo-11.wellsfargo.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: old echoplex Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 08:28:59 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2516.0) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"MvPW61.0.bX1.cf8ct"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7032 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com If anyone hasn't claimed it...I would be happy to take it off your hands. Micah Bedwell Systems Analyst Private Client Services Pager: 800.800.9456 Office: 415.222.3686 > -----Original Message----- > From: Jim Olson [SMTP:jolson@edzone.net] > Sent: Friday, July 23, 1999 7:10 AM > To: Looper List > Subject: old echoplex > > Hey people! > > I have an old Echoplex sitting in my garage that needs some help, but > it's really of no use to me anymore. It actually kind of worked about > 15 years ago, but it does need help. > > I'm enclosing the link to the pics I took yesterday. > > http://www.edzone.net/~jolson/echo1.jpg > http://www.edzone.net/~jolson/echo2.jpg > > Anyone interested? > > Jim... << File: Card for Jim Olson >> From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jul 23 11:40:03 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA07834; Fri, 23 Jul 1999 11:40:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 11:40:03 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199907231534.LAA06893@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Subject: Re: old echoplex Date: Fri, 23 Jul 99 08:34:03 -0700 x-sender: matt@mail1.xoom.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0, March 15, 1997 From: Matt Peterson To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <"i5Aaa3.0.2i1.Fk8ct"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7034 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Yeah, Jim, before you go bashing Macs because they aren't "productive", you might want to figure out how to FTP a JPEG to your home directory. It's actually a very simple process. Matt 7/23/99 7:10 AM Jim Olson (jolson@edzone.net) wrote: >Hey people! > >I have an old Echoplex sitting in my garage that needs some help, but >it's really of no use to me anymore. It actually kind of worked about >15 years ago, but it does need help. > >I'm enclosing the link to the pics I took yesterday. > >http://www.edzone.net/~jolson/echo1.jpg >http://www.edzone.net/~jolson/echo2.jpg > >Anyone interested? > >Jim... From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jul 23 12:01:50 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA11569; Fri, 23 Jul 1999 12:01:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 12:01:50 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <37989108.97E4985@edzone.net> Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 11:58:00 -0400 From: Jim Olson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: old echoplex References: <70CA3F163AFED21197F100805FBB030F32C0A7@whi_exchange.malcolmpirnie.com> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------A3AE9D770A2F4F7C1BD45449" Resent-Message-ID: <"uqpD63.0.id2.o29ct"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7035 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------A3AE9D770A2F4F7C1BD45449 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Gee Lee... It never occured to me that musicians (of which I am) could be so easily offended. Like the opening page says, have a nice day :) I apologize about the bad links, I'll fix them tonight. Jim... --------------A3AE9D770A2F4F7C1BD45449 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="jolson.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Jim Olson Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="jolson.vcf" begin:vcard n:Olson;Jim tel;work:517-828-6601 x412 x-mozilla-html:FALSE url:www.edzone.net/~jolson org:Shepherd Public Schools adr:;;100 Hall St.;Shepherd;MI;48883; version:2.1 email;internet:jolson@edzone.net title:Technology Coordinator fn:Jim Olson end:vcard --------------A3AE9D770A2F4F7C1BD45449-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jul 23 12:29:38 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA15656; Fri, 23 Jul 1999 12:29:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 12:29:38 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <009701bed526$26ffbb80$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: Subject: Re: old echoplex Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 11:12:24 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"-69ga2.0.WZ3.gQ9ct"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7036 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Peace! Remember, never discuss religion, politics, or Mac vs. Windows...but I'm being redundant... :) Dennis Leas ----------------------------- dennis@mdbs.com -----Original Message----- From: Jim Olson To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Friday, July 23, 1999 11:04 AM Subject: Re: old echoplex >Gee Lee... > >It never occured to me that musicians (of which I am) could be so easily >offended. > >Like the opening page says, have a nice day :) > >I apologize about the bad links, I'll fix them tonight. > >Jim... From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jul 23 12:53:28 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA19483; Fri, 23 Jul 1999 12:53:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 12:53:28 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <2148EC143F29D1118BE000805FC13CD0DB56CA@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: New looping pedal--Line 6 DL-4 Delay Modeler. Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 12:43:57 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Resent-Message-ID: <"xhJe83.0.7R4.Sm9ct"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7037 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com it looks pretty darn cool - - tho' i do like the akai . . . stig > -----Original Message----- > From: Travis Hartnett [SMTP:hartne.t@apple.com] > Sent: Friday, July 23, 1999 07:58 > To: Looper's Delight > Subject: New looping pedal--Line 6 DL-4 Delay Modeler. > > Let's hope they did a better job than Akai did on the frustrating > Headrush. > > http://www.harmony-central.com/Newp/SNAMM99/Line_6/DL4-DM4-MM4.html > > Travis Hartnett > > > > -- > Tiktok: Austin's Premier One-Man Ambient Band > http://home.sprintmail.com/~tiktok/ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jul 23 14:06:26 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA30183; Fri, 23 Jul 1999 14:06:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 14:06:26 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199907231457.HAA22396@scv3.apple.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 10:59:17 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: New looping pedal--Line 6 DL-4 Delay Modeler. Resent-Message-ID: <"3wBn52.0.m37.jrAct"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7038 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 7:57 AM -0700 7/23/99, Travis Hartnett wrote: >Let's hope they did a better job than Akai did on the frustrating Headrush. > >http://www.harmony-central.com/Newp/SNAMM99/Line_6/DL4-DM4-MM4.html Interesting, it says the Loop Sampler is "modeled from the Boomerang". Hey Motley, is this an official rip-off, or just the usual sort of rip-off? ;-) kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jul 23 14:31:16 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA01299; Fri, 23 Jul 1999 14:31:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 14:31:16 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 19:15:34 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Lee Fletcher Subject: Missing LD Digests MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike (32) Version 4.00 Resent-Message-ID: <"dMgrG2.0.D6.ZDBct"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7039 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Dear Kim / Loopers, I haven't received any Digests since 19th July, and yet I notice that they are still regularly appearing in the LD Archives. I don't think that the problem is at my end, so any help would be most appreciated... Cheers, Lee Fletcher From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jul 23 16:02:15 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA13724; Fri, 23 Jul 1999 16:02:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 16:02:15 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 15:54:49 -0400 (EDT) From: billfox@lucent.com (William_B_Fox) Message-Id: <199907231954.PAA28837@badboy.micro.lucent.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: EMUSIC Playlist Resent-Message-ID: <"0DfFy.0.m73.YZCct"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7040 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Playlist for "EMUSIC" "EMUSIC," an electronic, ambient, and space music show, airs each Thursday at 11pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ. http://www.wdiyfm.org/schedule/s_emusic.html Show #124 July 22, 1999. Host: Bill Fox http://www.wdiyfm.org billfox@fast.net On this show, I continued the month-long focus on Steve Roach. Steve is such a prolific composer that his work bears repeated attention. The feature CD at midnight was Body Electric in collaboration with Vir Unis on the Projekt label. Steve Roach : http://www.steveroach.com EMUSIC Focus : http://www.wdiyfm.org/emusic/playlists/focus.html ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================= 11:00 pm Jack Deckard Blizzard Somewhere in '98 (none) VA [Arcanum] Berlin SpaceTranceTronicsNight1999 (Manikin) Kubusschnitt The Case The Case (none) Fanger & Kersten Interkosmos Interkosmos (Manikin) Paul Nagle Anachronist Lore (Neu Harmony) VA [Dean De Benedictis] Just Outside Of Black Soundscape Gallery Vol 3 Rock City (Lektronic Soundscapes) 12:00 am Steve Roach Born of Fire Body Electric (Projekt) Steve Roach Pure Expansion Body Electric (Projekt) Steve Roach Mind Link Body Electric (Projekt) Steve Roach Gene Pool Body Electric (Projekt) Steve Roach Synaptic Gap Body Electric (Projekt) Steve Roach Homunculus Body Electric (Projekt) Steve Roach Bloodstreaming Body Electric (Projekt) Steve Roach Solar Tribe Body Electric (Projekt) Steve Roach The New Dream Body Electric (Projekt) Steve Roach Cave of the Heart Body Electric (Projekt) 1:00 am * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) On the next EMUSIC, I will conclude the month-long focus on Steve Roach. This prolific composer is the master of tribal ambient and constantly forges new sonic territory to explore. The Feature CD at Midnight will be Truth and Beauty on his private label, Timeroom Editions, available only via mail order, not in stores. Please visit the WDIY web site and navigate through the schedule to the EMUSIC pages. Playlists for every show are there. Hot links to artists and labels can be found in the monthly focus section. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jul 23 16:25:10 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA17002; Fri, 23 Jul 1999 16:25:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 16:25:10 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 16:15:26 -0400 (EDT) From: billfox@lucent.com (William_B_Fox) Message-Id: <199907232015.QAA29553@badboy.micro.lucent.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: EMUSIC Top 20 Resent-Message-ID: <"S10E4.0.ls3.UsCct"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7041 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com WDIY 88.1 FM "EMUSIC" Top 20 report to New Age Voice for June, 1999. (Shows #121 to #124; 1-July-1999 to 22-July-1999 Reported in alphabetical order by album title. Compiled by Bill Fox, billfox@fast.net ARTIST - ALBUM TITLE - LABEL ============================ Telomere - Astral Currents - Evenfall Steve Roach - Body Electric - Projekt Ian Boddy - Box of Secrets - DiN Kubusschnitt - The Case - none Redshift - Down Time - Champagne Lake Steve Roach - The Dream Circle - Timeroom Synergy - Electronic Realizations for Rock Orchestra - Third Contact Robert Rich - Inner Landscapes - Hypnos Dom F. Scab - Innerseed - Free Records Fanger & Kersten - Interkosmos - Manikin Paul Nagle - Lore - Neu Harmony Various - Mind Out - Wandering Aimlessly Biff Johnson - Mirage at the Crossroads - Broad Vista Dweller at the Threshold - No Boundary Condition - Eurock Steve Roach - Quiet Music - Fortuna Various - Soundscape Gallery Vol 3 - Lektronic Soundscapes Various - SpaceTranceTronicsNight1999 - Manikin TUU & Nick Parkin - Terma - Hearts of Space Cerulan - This Level, Earth - none Saul Stokes - Zo Pilots - Hypnos From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jul 23 16:38:37 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA18784; Fri, 23 Jul 1999 16:38:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 16:38:37 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Hawkeye255@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 16:29:23 EDT Subject: Re: New looping pedal--Line 6 DL-4 Delay Modeler. To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Resent-Message-ID: <"QidrB1.0._P4.N6Dct"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7042 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Travis, I'm not disappointed in the Headrush at all. Sorry you don't find it useful. Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jul 23 16:52:55 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA21051; Fri, 23 Jul 1999 16:52:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 16:52:55 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199907232043.NAA52538@scv4.apple.com> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 15:43:06 -0500 Subject: Re: New looping pedal--Line 6 DL-4 Delay Modeler. From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"I9v7x2.0.En4.FGDct"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7043 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I find the Headrush very useful, but the lack of an Hold button in delay or tape loop mode is difficult to understand. Great sound, a bunch of neat features, but coupled with an interface that could be described as either "charmingly unique" or "poorly thought out" depending on your state of mind. Travis Hartnett ---------- >From: Hawkeye255@aol.com >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Subject: Re: New looping pedal--Line 6 DL-4 Delay Modeler. >Date: Fri, Jul 23, 1999, 3:29 PM > > Travis, > I'm not disappointed in the Headrush at all. Sorry you don't find it > useful. > > Bill > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jul 23 17:21:33 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA24979; Fri, 23 Jul 1999 17:21:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 17:21:33 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <2148EC143F29D1118BE000805FC13CD0DB56D3@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: New looping pedal--Line 6 DL-4 Delay Modeler. Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 17:15:12 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Resent-Message-ID: <"OAZqv1.0.gv5.dkDct"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7044 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com agree. while i like mine a lot, and have considered getting a second one, i think that the omission of reverse seems lame. the omission of 1/2x speed and 2x speed seems lame as well. wonder how the line 6 thing will be . . . who's going to namm? stig > Great sound, a bunch of neat features, but coupled with an interface that > could be described as either "charmingly unique" or "poorly thought out" > depending on your state of mind. > > > > Travis Hartnett > > ---------- > >From: Hawkeye255@aol.com > >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > >Subject: Re: New looping pedal--Line 6 DL-4 Delay Modeler. > >Date: Fri, Jul 23, 1999, 3:29 PM > > > > > Travis, > > I'm not disappointed in the Headrush at all. Sorry you don't find it > > useful. > > > > Bill > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jul 23 17:59:27 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA29258; Fri, 23 Jul 1999 17:59:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 17:59:27 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Jon Southwood" To: Subject: Re: New looping pedal--Line 6 DL-4 Delay Modeler. Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 16:59:14 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <199907232054.1955300@CEDAR-RAPIDS.NET> Resent-Message-ID: <"LCGjT3.0.Z17.DJEct"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7045 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > > Great sound, a bunch of neat features, but coupled with an interface that > could be described as either "charmingly unique" or "poorly thought out" > depending on your state of mind. > I wouldn't say it was "poorly thought out" at all. Granted, I don't own one yet, and only played with one for a couple of hours at a fellow LD-lister's house (thanks bill!) before which I had never used a "serious" looping tool (I'm new to the looping mode). However, I found it very easy to maneuver in the looping mode. Maybe it's a "Looping (Tool) for Dummies" (TM), but it is certainly intuitive enough for beginners and possibly others for whom UNDO refers to the -Z or -Z keystroke combination as well as being powerful enough in what it does do to "wow" some old-hats at the stuff. Cheers, Jon Southwood (who's looking forward to ordering an Headrush in the next couple weeks) noj@cedar-rapids.net P.S. I can see how not having a "hold" function in the delay modes could be annoying, especially if you are used to using it with other pedals/effects. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jul 23 18:19:12 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA31553; Fri, 23 Jul 1999 18:19:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 18:19:12 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <003101bed558$e433f040$02585858@timspc> From: "american qabalah" To: References: <70CA3F163AFED21197F100805FBB030F32C0A7@whi_exchange.malcolmpirnie.com> <37989108.97E4985@edzone.net> Subject: Re: old echoplex Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 17:15:31 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: <"M8J3y.0.4b7.gaEct"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7046 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Artists are temperamental? Naaahh.... Pounding my sword into a plowshare, Timmy ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Olson To: Sent: Friday, July 23, 1999 10:58 AM Subject: Re: old echoplex > Gee Lee... > > It never occured to me that musicians (of which I am) could be so easily > offended. > > Like the opening page says, have a nice day :) > > I apologize about the bad links, I'll fix them tonight. > > Jim... From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jul 23 18:26:52 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA32659; Fri, 23 Jul 1999 18:26:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 18:26:52 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <004b01bed559$f4526a00$02585858@timspc> From: "american qabalah" To: References: Subject: Did somebody say "Akai" Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 17:23:12 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: <"Q7fzO1.0.Rp7.phEct"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7047 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com (1) I have a question for the group: Has anyone attempted to use MIDI to control their Akai DR8 to do sampling/looping? Also, I am in the market for a nice-but-not-too-expensive 16-track digital hard disk recorder with compressionless data (at least as an option). Any suggestions? Y'all normally got a million of 'em. My DR8 weighs about 4500 metric tonnes and it's really a pain to shlep it back and forth from rehearsals. Thanks in advance, Tim From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jul 23 20:48:08 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA14681; Fri, 23 Jul 1999 20:48:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 20:48:08 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3798C2D6.988BECFF@texas.net> Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 19:30:33 +0000 From: Bobdog Reply-To: psbuddha@texas.net Organization: Pseudo Buddha/Doghouse Audio Laboratory X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com CC: jolson@edzone.net Subject: Re: old echoplex References: <70CA3F163AFED21197F100805FBB030F32C0A7@whi_exchange.malcolmpirnie.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"qiV3H1.0.EB3.TbGct"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7048 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com it's interesting how upset non-conservatives get when a conservative uses his freedom of speech. i like macs & i am a pantheist, yet i enjoyed jim's sight (what a good looking dog). that echoplex is hip; what are you looking to get for it? bobdog From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jul 23 22:09:22 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA23483; Fri, 23 Jul 1999 22:09:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 22:09:22 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <002d01bed577$82db7ec0$02585858@timspc> From: "american qabalah" To: References: <70CA3F163AFED21197F100805FBB030F32C0A7@whi_exchange.malcolmpirnie.com> <3798C2D6.988BECFF@texas.net> Subject: Information superhighway road rage (was Re: old echoplex) Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 20:54:46 -0500 X-Priority: 5 X-MSMail-Priority: Low X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: <"RPraW1.0.RH5.CoHct"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7049 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Freedom of Speech, n. The constitutionally protected right of any citizen to express your opinions. Addendum to Devil's Dictionary ----- Original Message ----- From: Bobdog To: Cc: Sent: Friday, July 23, 1999 2:30 PM Subject: Re: old echoplex > it's interesting how upset non-conservatives get when a conservative > uses his freedom of speech. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Jul 24 02:00:44 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA20900; Sat, 24 Jul 1999 02:00:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 02:00:44 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990724054409.4267.rocketmail@web108.yahoomail.com> Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 01:44:09 -0400 (EDT) From: John Tidwell Subject: RE: old echoplex To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"6nfWA3.0.rP4.7ALct"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7050 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I was so upset by his web-site that I had to use my EDP to loop the mantra, "It takes a village, it takes a village, it takes a village....". Has anyone called the Thought Police? Quick, dial nein-one-one! What a bunch of weeds. :( John --- bedwellm@WellsFargo.COM wrote: > Me, either. > Forgot my request for the echoplex. > > Micah Bedwell > Systems Analyst > Private Client Services > > Pager: 800.800.9456 > Office: 415.222.3686 > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Wordsman, Lee [SMTP:LWordsman@PIRNIE.COM] > > Sent: Friday, July 23, 1999 7:59 AM > > To: 'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com' > > Subject: RE: old echoplex > > Importance: Low > > > > I couldn't get the links to work but man this guy > has some heavy, > > conservative, opinionated stuff on his home page. > I'd rather not be > > exposed > > to that kind of stuff. It nearly spoiled my day. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Jim Olson [mailto:jolson@edzone.net] > > > Sent: Friday, July 23, 1999 10:10 AM > > > To: Looper List > > > Subject: old echoplex > > > > > > > > > Hey people! > > > > > > I have an old Echoplex sitting in my garage that > needs some help, but > > > it's really of no use to me anymore. It > actually kind of worked about > > > 15 years ago, but it does need help. > > > > > > I'm enclosing the link to the pics I took > yesterday. > > > > > http://www.edzone.net/~jolson/echo1.jpg > > http://www.edzone.net/~jolson/echo2.jpg > > > > Anyone interested? > > > > Jim... > > === John Tidwell _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Jul 24 06:58:18 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA10109; Sat, 24 Jul 1999 06:58:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 06:58:18 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3798C2D6.988BECFF@texas.net> References: <70CA3F163AFED21197F100805FBB030F32C0A7@whi_exchange.malcolmpirnie.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 03:53:55 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: old echoplex Resent-Message-ID: <"o1x342.0.tO2.yiPct"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7051 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 12:30 PM -0700 7/23/99, Bobdog wrote: >it's interesting how upset non-conservatives get when a conservative >uses his freedom of speech. and vice-versa. This particular guy, after getting whatever criticism there was from someone this morning, sent me some whiney private mail-rant about how horrible all the people on our list are, and promptly unsubscribed. I thought this was real funny. :-) So naturally, asshole button-pusher that I am, I flamed the crap out of him for whining at me when I had nothing to do with it and couldn't care less. That just resulted in more pitiful whining. Very, very funny! So when exactly was it that "conservatives" dropped the John Wayne tough-guy imagery and turned into a bunch of spineless crybabies? Was it George Bush or Rush Limbaugh who started that? Anyway, it's really unbecoming. (although, It's also really entertaining for people like me. :-) BTW, freedom of speech only applies between a government and the people. Doesn't have any meaning if there is no government involved, which is the case for private organizations such as this. However, being a benevolent yet apathetic dictator, I've granted you all the right to say whatever the fuck you want, since I don't care to deal with it. But you never know when I might change my mind, so stay on topic. ;-) kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Jul 24 07:49:50 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA13072; Sat, 24 Jul 1999 07:49:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 07:49:50 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3799A49A.49FA9A5D@latrobe.edu.au> Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 21:33:46 +1000 From: "b.knox" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: New looping pedal--Line 6 DL-4 Delay Modeler. References: <199907231457.HAA22396@scv3.apple.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Yctvn2.0.7y2.XHQct"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7052 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com yawn... this line6 vintage simulation thing is well.. old already.. why don't they make some goddamn *new* effects with that "patented digital modeling technology"? even a convincing simulation of something is always less exciting than something truly original IMHO. who are these line6 people and where did they come from? i'm holding out hope for the stereo ins.. but.. wait.. i'm having a premonition...i bet it'll sum to mono in every useful mode.. of which there'll be about 2... cynical rant ends. sorry. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Jul 24 07:56:23 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA13610; Sat, 24 Jul 1999 07:56:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 07:56:23 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3799A670.61B9960F@latrobe.edu.au> Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 21:41:36 +1000 From: "b.knox" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: old echoplex References: <70CA3F163AFED21197F100805FBB030F32C0A7@whi_exchange.malcolmpirnie.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"VHsZW2.0.K23.rOQct"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7053 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Kim Flint wrote: > > > BTW, freedom of speech only applies between a government and the people. > Doesn't have any meaning if there is no government involved, which is the > case for private organizations such as this. However, being a benevolent > yet apathetic dictator, I've granted you all the right to say whatever the > fuck you want, since I don't care to deal with it. But you never know when > I might change my mind, so stay on topic. ;-) > lol Kim.. all hail our benevolent yet apathetic dictator! erm... on topic: line6 can fuck off. brad From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Jul 24 09:07:17 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA19048; Sat, 24 Jul 1999 09:07:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 09:07:17 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990724085548.007b06f0@panther.middlebury.edu> X-Sender: mchriste@panther.middlebury.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 08:55:48 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: murkie Subject: Re: old echoplex In-Reply-To: References: <3798C2D6.988BECFF@texas.net> <70CA3F163AFED21197F100805FBB030F32C0A7@whi_exchange.malcolmpirnie.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"U_P5Z1.0.0V4.4XRct"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7054 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 03:53 AM 7/24/99 -0700, you wrote: >I might change my mind, so stay on topic. ;-) so i guess organizing a prayer group for his dead echoplex should be done off-list? ;^) m ===================================================================== = = = M a r k C h r i s t e n s e n = = Cramped Quarters Studio / Jasperpottamus Music Publishing = = internet: murkie@middlebury.edu = = http://www.middlebury.edu/~mchriste/murkie.html = = = ===================================================================== From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Jul 24 10:52:50 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA27621; Sat, 24 Jul 1999 10:52:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 10:52:50 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <004e01bed5e1$06c6c3c0$02585858@timspc> From: "american qabalah" To: References: <70CA3F163AFED21197F100805FBB030F32C0A7@whi_exchange.malcolmpirnie.com> Subject: Re: old echoplex Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 09:30:05 -0500 X-Priority: 5 X-MSMail-Priority: Low X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: <"FomoB2.0.ZI6.DsSct"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7055 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > BTW, freedom of speech only applies between a government and the people. > Doesn't have any meaning if there is no government involved, which is the > case for private organizations such as this. However, being a benevolent > yet apathetic dictator, I've granted you all the right to say whatever the > fuck you want, since I don't care to deal with it. But you never know when > I might change my mind, so stay on topic. ;-) 1) The freedom-of-speech comment bobdog made referred to comments Jim put on his web page, not comments he made in this group - thus spake Lee: I couldn't get the links to work but man this guy has some heavy conservative, opinionated stuff on his home page. I'd rather not be exposed to that kind of stuff. It ruined my day. 2) When is government ever *not involved*??? From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Jul 24 11:17:51 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA30259; Sat, 24 Jul 1999 11:17:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 11:17:51 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: RA336@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 10:56:50 EDT Subject: this list/freedom o'speech To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 54 Resent-Message-ID: <"kLQ4X3.0.I-6.xKTct"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7056 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Kim; bravo... and ter top it orf, you are one funny guy when ya wanna be!... p.s. on topic, i got an old tape-echoplex which now has a blown output transistor or something... anyone point me out how to fix it?... it's cool sounding and wobbles like an old drunk love & kisses, Robby Aceto << BTW, freedom of speech only applies between a government and the people. Doesn't have any meaning if there is no government involved, which is the case for private organizations such as this. However, being a benevolent yet apathetic dictator, I've granted you all the right to say whatever the fuck you want, since I don't care to deal with it. But you never know when I might change my mind, so stay on topic. ;-) >> From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Jul 24 12:22:39 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA03911; Sat, 24 Jul 1999 12:22:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 12:22:39 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3799E403.6F19744D@minds-eye.org> Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 12:04:20 -0400 From: Kevin X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: old opinions References: <70CA3F163AFED21197F100805FBB030F32C0A7@whi_exchange.malcolmpirnie.com> <004e01bed5e1$06c6c3c0$02585858@timspc> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"nm37L2.0.LY.YHUct"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7057 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > 2) When is government ever *not involved*??? I'm pretty sure the government was not involved in my waking up this morning, nor were they involved in my dreams (unless those mind-control conspiracy rumors were true). On topic (sort of), as someone who has never had beyond 5 seconds of looping capacity, I sometimes wonder what I'd actually do with 64 seconds of loop time (but I'm willing to find out :-) Kevin its early, please forgive the pointlessness of this post From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Jul 24 12:47:48 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA06474; Sat, 24 Jul 1999 12:47:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 12:47:48 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990724113113.007c1280@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: subversive@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 11:31:13 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Jeff & Vonda McLeod Subject: Re: New looping pedal--Line 6 DL-4 Delay Modeler. In-Reply-To: <3799A49A.49FA9A5D@latrobe.edu.au> References: <199907231457.HAA22396@scv3.apple.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"XCW5l.0.JD1.XfUct"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7058 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Howdy, I have to tell you that I use a AxSys 212 by Line 6 in my looping rig--and it's just a great, great amp. They have made some incredible products--plus they're service/tech dept. is top notch. If you want to know a little more, they're got a good website at www.line6.com The last product test that I read mentioned stereo outs on the new looping pedal. Don't hold me to that, though--but I'm pretty sure that I read that recently. Sincerely, Jeff McLeod At 09:33 PM 7/24/1999 +1000, you wrote: >yawn... > >this line6 vintage simulation thing is well.. old already.. >why don't they make some goddamn *new* effects with that "patented >digital modeling technology"? even a convincing simulation of something >is always less exciting than something truly original IMHO. who are >these line6 people and where did they come from? > >i'm holding out hope for the stereo ins.. but.. wait.. i'm having a >premonition...i bet it'll sum to mono in every useful mode.. of which >there'll be about 2... > >cynical rant ends. sorry. > > __________________________________________ This is not here-- And now is almost over... http://members.xoom.com/Gezoleen/ http://members.xoom.com/edkempertrio/ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Jul 24 13:15:16 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA09426; Sat, 24 Jul 1999 13:15:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 13:15:16 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3799F866.49A5@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 10:31:20 -0700 From: scott kungha drengsen X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-MACOS8 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: old opinions-looping time References: <70CA3F163AFED21197F100805FBB030F32C0A7@whi_exchange.malcolmpirnie.com> <004e01bed5e1$06c6c3c0$02585858@timspc> <3799E403.6F19744D@minds-eye.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"ACCeR3.0.j92.gDVct"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7059 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com My compositions usually feature loops of 30 to 120 sec.both as "songs"and as soundscapes. kungha From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Jul 24 14:01:11 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA14064; Sat, 24 Jul 1999 14:01:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 14:01:11 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <009101bed5fe$7e2adba0$2f96adce@satellite> Reply-To: "Tom Lambrecht" From: "Tom Lambrecht" To: Subject: Re: Lake Butler MIDI control on Hominy Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 13:01:01 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"li7Iq3.0.Ku2.lfVct"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7060 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com for those of you who are MIDI enabled, this seems to have been an object of desire in the past PS don't know the guy never dealt with him, so caveat emptor LAKE BUTLER SOUND MITIGATOR RFC-1 CONTROLLER Asking Price: US$150 Condition: Excellent Age: N/A Description: THE MITIGATOR IS A GREAT MIDI CONTROLLER THAT HAS A HUGE AMOUNT OF MEMORY. 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Seller: David Rauschenberger, 904-774-5309 E-mail: revman@intersrv.com (Profile) Location: ORANGE CITY, FL Post Date: 7/24/99 Tom Lambrecht hideo@concentric.net From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Jul 24 14:30:21 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA17078; Sat, 24 Jul 1999 14:30:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 14:30:21 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990724182605.41325.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [165.227.129.33] From: "David Potter" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: old echoplex Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 11:26:04 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"htFan3.0.P44.0MWct"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7061 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Any good looping ideas going around?OOOOOOOOOmmmmmmmand OOOuuuut >From: Kim Flint >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Subject: Re: old echoplex >Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 03:53:55 -0700 > >At 12:30 PM -0700 7/23/99, Bobdog wrote: > >it's interesting how upset non-conservatives get when a conservative > >uses his freedom of speech. > >and vice-versa. This particular guy, after getting whatever criticism there >was from someone this morning, sent me some whiney private mail-rant about >how horrible all the people on our list are, and promptly unsubscribed. I >thought this was real funny. :-) So naturally, asshole button-pusher that I >am, I flamed the crap out of him for whining at me when I had nothing to do >with it and couldn't care less. That just resulted in more pitiful whining. >Very, very funny! > >So when exactly was it that "conservatives" dropped the John Wayne >tough-guy imagery and turned into a bunch of spineless crybabies? Was it >George Bush or Rush Limbaugh who started that? Anyway, it's really >unbecoming. (although, It's also really entertaining for people like me. >:-) > >BTW, freedom of speech only applies between a government and the people. >Doesn't have any meaning if there is no government involved, which is the >case for private organizations such as this. However, being a benevolent >yet apathetic dictator, I've granted you all the right to say whatever the >fuck you want, since I don't care to deal with it. But you never know when >I might change my mind, so stay on topic. ;-) > >kim > > > >______________________________________________________________________ >Kim Flint | Looper's Delight >kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html >http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > > _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Jul 24 16:54:20 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA29866; Sat, 24 Jul 1999 16:54:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 16:54:20 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990724203217.13544.rocketmail@web128.yahoomail.com> Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 16:32:17 -0400 (EDT) From: Bret Subject: long loop times To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"BLFUo3.0.7o6.aAYct"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7062 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com --- Kevin wrote: > On topic (sort of), as someone who has never had > beyond 5 seconds of looping > capacity, I sometimes wonder what I'd actually do > with 64 seconds of loop time > (but I'm willing to find out :-) Kevin, one thing additional looping time allows is greater variety, and less exact repetition. I think you will enjoy it. I began with 1 second, to 8 seconds to 198 seconds. When you combine additional memory with features like the EDP's "multiply" and "undo" you get a very powerful ability to change, evolve, construct, destruct of a smaller looped segment of music over time. This creates variation, on and from a seed loop, and if you plan it right, you can devole it back to the original seed loop. bret _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Jul 24 19:12:50 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA11757; Sat, 24 Jul 1999 19:12:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 19:12:50 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: ENAT21213@aol.com Message-ID: <362ef2d4.24cb9b36@aol.com> Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 18:41:58 EDT Subject: Re: New looping pedal--Line 6 DL-4 Delay Modeler. To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 Resent-Message-ID: <"qxa6U1.0.i92.w9act"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7063 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com anyone know if your able to connect a simple (cheep) foot-switch to tap in the tempo..........or do have to tap it in from the unit it self.....like the line 6 pod (without there foot-switch witch cost extra) brian electric bird noise / unleashing the inner robot sounds etc. at: http://members.aol.com/ebnoise/index.html From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Jul 24 22:29:32 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA30640; Sat, 24 Jul 1999 22:29:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 22:29:32 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Dpcoffin@aol.com Message-ID: <13425bfe.24cbcad1@aol.com> Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 22:05:05 EDT Subject: Re: New looping pedal--Line 6 DL-4 Delay Modeler. To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Mac - Post-GM sub 54 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by rosy.yourwebhost.com id WAA28311 Resent-Message-ID: <"-C4sc1.0.bw6.b8dct"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7064 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 7/24/99 7:12:31 PM, ENAT21213@aol.com writes: >anyone know if your able to connect a simple (cheep) foot-switch to tap >in >the tempo..........or do have to tap it in from the unit it self.....like >the >line 6 pod (without there foot-switch witch cost extra) >brian Well, I've been poring over the very detailed Harmony-Central press release, and observed the following: There's 4 foot switches on each of the new L6 stompers. The Delay stomper has 3 user presets, while the others each have 4...one per foot switch, I suppose. The Delay Modeler includes "on board Tap Tempo Control," and you can just barely see that it's that fourth switch. Most interesting is the idea that there's an "expression pedal input for real-time control of ALL EFFECT SETTINGS...", which include Delay Time, Repeats, Tweak, Tweez, and Mix...SO, no HOLD function?? Maybe that's a tweak or a tweez when you're in "Boomerang" mode? To bad there ain't 2 pedal inputs... Re: Stereo, no doubt it does mostly sum to mono, but that can be handy. And no doubt some of the effects use the stereo outs well—there IS a stereo delay setting—2 independent delay lines, and a Ping Pong-er. I'm delighted to see so much activity in the under-$300 long-delay market—nods to Akai, Korg Kaoss, etc..., and to see how almost all the new cheap guitar gizmos include some kind of phrase sampling, or some such. Sure, I'm waiting for more folks to model the future instead of the past, too (and am greatly enjoying the criminally underappreciated products that already do, like the VG-8, Vortex, and the Korg DL8000...), but Line6's other products all seem to have a quite encouraging blend of retro and whizzo....plus apparently a healthy dose of whin-o for those that savor that bouquet. I've can get into it myself now and then. dpc From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Jul 24 23:11:18 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA03282; Sat, 24 Jul 1999 23:11:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 23:11:18 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199907250255.WAA99744@pimout3-int.prodigy.net> Reply-To: From: "Clare Y Salthouse" To: Subject: Re: old echoplex Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 20:57:28 -0600 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"NQBA81.0.2K.lodct"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7065 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com YYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYooooooooooooooooommmmmmmmmaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaannnnnnnnnnnd dddddddddddooooooooooooooouuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttt tttttttttttt! From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Jul 25 00:58:18 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA18833; Sun, 25 Jul 1999 00:58:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 00:58:18 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990725044108.23526.rocketmail@web135.yahoomail.com> Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 00:41:08 -0400 (EDT) From: John Tidwell Subject: ATTN: dpc VG-8 for looping? To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"16aj8.0.mH4.uLfct"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7066 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com David- How much delay time does the VG-8 have? Does it have repeat hold function? Can you do things like change the amp & guitar model over an existing loop? Or, do you just mean that the VG-8 provides the instrument(s) that you loop via your DL8000, Vortex, etc. Thanks.....John --- Dpcoffin@aol.com wrote: > > I'm waiting for more folks to model the future > instead of the past, too (and > am greatly enjoying the criminally underappreciated > products that already do, > like the VG-8, > > dpc > > === John Tidwell _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Jul 25 01:52:38 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA23798; Sun, 25 Jul 1999 01:52:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 01:52:38 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Doug Lawrence" To: Subject: What's A Good Pitch Shift Pedal? Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 01:36:36 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <19990724203217.13544.rocketmail@web128.yahoomail.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: <"-alOT2.0.YO5.M9gct"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7067 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com As a bass player, sometimes I would like to pitch shift when overdubbing on some of my loops, or bring out a new quality of upper end tone in one of my effects. Is there anything that is much more affordable than an Eventide and not as crappy as the Digitech RP-7/Whammy pitch shift? Anybody use the Boss RPS-10 or t.c. SCF? When I saw Jungle Funk, Doug Wimbish seemed to be using the pitch shifter in the Digitech VGS 2120, but that's a little too much $$$ Thanks. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Jul 25 06:05:11 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA09306; Sun, 25 Jul 1999 06:05:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 06:05:11 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990725092018.792.rocketmail@web117.yahoomail.com> Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 05:20:18 -0400 (EDT) From: John Tidwell Subject: Re: What's A Good Pitch Shift Pedal? To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"_NR6D2.0.ne1.MRjct"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7068 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com How about some of the discontinued Digitech rack units like the GSP-2101 or TSR-24. They are pretty easy to find on the used market. Many people think they're superior to the current crop of Digitech multi-fx. And of course there's always the original Digitech Whammy pedal. I think it goes for a higher price on the used market than it ever cost new. I don't know how well any of the above works with bass, but maybe someone else on the list will share their experience. John --- Doug Lawrence wrote: > > As a bass player, sometimes I would like to pitch > shift when overdubbing on > some of my loops, or bring out a new quality of > upper end tone in one of my > effects. Is there anything that is much more > affordable than an Eventide and > not as crappy as the Digitech RP-7/Whammy pitch > shift? > > Anybody use the Boss RPS-10 or t.c. SCF? > > When I saw Jungle Funk, Doug Wimbish seemed to be > using the pitch shifter in > the Digitech VGS 2120, but that's a little too much > $$$ > > Thanks. > > === John Tidwell _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Jul 25 06:18:51 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA10155; Sun, 25 Jul 1999 06:18:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 06:18:51 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 02:58:31 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Missing LD Digests Resent-Message-ID: <"8onHt3.0.mA2.1_jct"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7069 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 11:15 AM -0700 7/23/99, Lee Fletcher wrote: >Dear Kim / Loopers, > >I haven't received any Digests since 19th July, and yet I notice that >they are still regularly appearing in the LD Archives. I don't think >that the problem is at my end, so any help would be most appreciated... The digest got screwed up, due to a problem at my ISP last week. It hasn't gone out since Monday. Hopefully I've got it fixed now..... kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Jul 25 08:13:36 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA16802; Sun, 25 Jul 1999 08:13:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 08:13:36 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Dpcoffin@aol.com Message-ID: <4b232585.24cc550d@aol.com> Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 07:54:53 EDT Subject: Re: ATTN: dpc VG-8 for looping? To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Mac - Post-GM sub 54 Resent-Message-ID: <"iwi1L3.0.Gp3.oklct"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7070 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 7/25/99 12:57:45 AM, wedgehed@yahoo.com writes: >How much delay time does the VG-8 have? Does it have >repeat hold function? Can you do things like change >the amp & guitar model over an existing loop? > >Or, do you just mean that the VG-8 provides the >instrument(s) that you loop via your DL8000, Vortex, >etc. The V's only got 1023ms delay, but you can set up the exp pedal to control delay send, and use the S1 and 2 switches on the pickup control to control feedback (100% goes all night) if you open the delay page. It's also got a cool cross-feedback delay that does wonderful rhythmic ping-ponging. In that mode, I've found it to be a serious looping tool. But I chiefly meant that, as far as using modeling creatively, or just in terms of being innovative with new technologies instead of merely mimicing analog history, the V is a stand-out. dpc From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Jul 25 08:25:00 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA17835; Sun, 25 Jul 1999 08:25:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 08:25:00 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Dpcoffin@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 08:05:04 EDT Subject: Re: What's A Good Pitch Shift Pedal? To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Mac - Post-GM sub 54 Resent-Message-ID: <"ztGNX1.0.m_3.oulct"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7071 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 7/25/99 1:52:18 AM, douglas-lawrence@home.com writes: >Is there anything that is much more affordable than an Eventide and > >not as crappy as the Digitech RP-7/Whammy pitch shift? > > You should have little trouble getting a serviceable shifter these days, tho I admit I don't play bass; maybe that's a tougher challenge for a shifter...at least you're less likely to send it chords, right? I enjoy the pitch shifting in the GT-5, which should be the same as in the cheaper GT-3.; it's even intelligent!..also the Korg Am8000R has a sweet, if "dumb," shifter. Hell, even the Pandora's shifting sounds pretty good to me, and I've got an Eventide to compare 'em to...it ain't perfect. dpc From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Jul 25 10:27:44 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA27073; Sun, 25 Jul 1999 10:27:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 10:27:44 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990725101922.007a18d0@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 10:19:22 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: What's A Good Pitch Shift Pedal? In-Reply-To: References: <19990724203217.13544.rocketmail@web128.yahoomail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"lgLFw.0.FF6.Ninct"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7072 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Do any of you have an opinion on the Boss PS-2 or PS-3? (I haven't tried either of them, but the 2 sec ddl they contain looks attractive too; can never have too many delays!) I'm looking for a device that can take a short loop that's already repeating and shift it up or down by a pre-set interval AFTER the looper so that stomping the switch again returns the loop to the original key. It'd be mostly single-note stuff, basslines and the like, but an affordable device that wouldn't freak out if it had to process a more complex signal would be nice. Any ideas? Tim From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Jul 25 10:43:57 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA28901; Sun, 25 Jul 1999 10:43:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 10:43:57 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Hawkeye255@aol.com Message-ID: <1c81dd90.24cc7849@aol.com> Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 10:25:13 EDT Subject: Re: old echoplex To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Resent-Message-ID: <"wTX771.0.Ge6.wxnct"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7073 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com << Kim Flint wrote: > BTW, freedom of speech only applies between a government and the people. Doesn't have any meaning if there is no government involved, which is the case for private organizations such as this. >> Kim, you're full of shit. There are thousands of examples of case law (in the US anyway) that prove what you say to be untrue: organizations cannot deprive their employees, their members, or (in this case) their subscribers of rights granted specifically by their country's laws. Further, this maillist is not the 'private' entity you seem to think it is. Bill 'hawkeye' Reiter From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Jul 25 10:49:39 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA29799; Sun, 25 Jul 1999 10:49:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 10:49:39 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 15:25:51 +0100 Subject: Roland SDD330 From: "Martin Shellard" To: Loopers Delight Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Resent-Message-ID: <"6VZOZ2.0.Bp6.f0oct"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7074 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Is anyone using a Roland SDD 330? I've heard some good reports aboutit (5sec delay with auto reverse and 3D delay). Martin Shellard From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Jul 25 10:49:48 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA29805; Sun, 25 Jul 1999 10:49:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 10:49:48 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 15:32:08 +0100 Subject: Re: ATTN: dpc VG-8 for looping? From: "Martin Shellard" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Resent-Message-ID: <"aA6e7.0.Lp6.g0oct"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7075 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com It's not just the delay on the VG-8 that can loop, the phasing and flanging fx have feedback and flanging that you can set to so that they loop. I have one patch which feeds a looping phase and delay with the input being fed through a resonant low pass filter which is under pedal control, all of the strings are retuned from low C to high A. It's a monster sound. Another cool thing is that you can turn some strings off, if you turn off the top strings and use a little distortion, playintg the top strings produces a lovely sympathetic vibration in the lower strings. The V is a serious looping tool despite it's 1 sec delay time. Martin Shellard ---------- >From: Dpcoffin@aol.com > The V's only got 1023ms delay, but you can set up the exp pedal to control > delay send, and use the S1 and 2 switches on the pickup control to control > feedback (100% goes all night) From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Jul 25 12:02:23 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA03718; Sun, 25 Jul 1999 12:02:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 12:02:23 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990725154515.23754.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [165.227.137.252] From: "David Potter" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: old echoplex Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 08:45:14 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"n2wZC2.0.mY.F5pct"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7076 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Rage on Oh angry hawkeye...your anger is your own..lighten up Dude loop On OOOOOOmmm and OOOOOut Papa Dave >From: Hawkeye255@aol.com >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Subject: Re: old echoplex >Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 10:25:13 EDT > ><< Kim Flint wrote: > > BTW, freedom of speech only applies between a government and the >people. >Doesn't have any meaning if there is no government involved, which is the >case for private organizations such as this. >> > >Kim, you're full of shit. There are thousands of examples of case law (in >the US anyway) that prove what you say to be untrue: organizations cannot >deprive their employees, their members, or (in this case) their subscribers >of rights granted specifically by their country's laws. Further, this >maillist is not the 'private' entity you seem to think it is. > > Bill 'hawkeye' Reiter > _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Jul 25 12:45:58 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA07648; Sun, 25 Jul 1999 12:45:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 12:45:58 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <03e001bed6ba$fe212a00$02585858@timspc> From: "american qabalah" To: References: <19990725154515.23754.qmail@hotmail.com> Subject: Looking for a 16-track digital hard disk recorder Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 11:30:20 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: <"L7Qal1.0.WW1.xipct"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7077 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I currently use an Akai DR8 which is lovely but it ways about 15,000 pounds and I hate shlepping it to rehearsals. Plus, I would like to move up to 16 tracks. Does anyone have any recommendations? I'd like compressionless sound so I can download it to the computer and put it on DAT and what not. Thanks in advance Tim > ><< Kim Flint wrote: > > > BTW, freedom of speech only applies between a government and the > >people. > >Doesn't have any meaning if there is no government involved, which is the > >case for private organizations such as this. >> > > > >Kim, you're full of shit. There are thousands of examples of case law (in > >the US anyway) that prove what you say to be untrue: organizations cannot > >deprive their employees, their members, or (in this case) their subscribers > >of rights granted specifically by their country's laws. Further, this > >maillist is not the 'private' entity you seem to think it is. > > > > Bill 'hawkeye' Reiter From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Jul 25 14:59:21 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA21414; Sun, 25 Jul 1999 14:59:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 14:59:21 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Javier Miranda V." To: Subject: RE: New looping pedal--Line 6 DL-4 Delay Modeler. Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 11:42:23 -0700 Message-ID: <000001bed6cd$6f390480$2d1ed1d1@electra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <362ef2d4.24cb9b36@aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <"2uxmd2.0.2j4.ogrct"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7078 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Did you mean "Anyone know if you're able to connect a simple (cheap) footswitch to tap in the tempo, or do you have to tap it in from the unit itself, like the line-6 pod (without their footswitch which costs extra)."? | -----Original Message----- | anyone know if your able to connect a simple (cheep) | foot-switch to tap in | the tempo..........or do have to tap it in from the unit it | self.....like the | line 6 pod (without there foot-switch witch cost extra) From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Jul 25 15:26:51 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA24233; Sun, 25 Jul 1999 15:26:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 15:26:51 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Javier Miranda V." To: Subject: RE: old echoplex Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 12:08:49 -0700 Message-ID: <000001bed6d1$20bb3040$1a1ed1d1@electra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <1c81dd90.24cc7849@aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <"CwAHp2.0.RX5.U3sct"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7079 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com NOON TOMORROW -- This just in: Kim Flint has just been challenged to a duel at noon tomorrow smack in the middle of Main St. Bill "Hawkeye" Reiter, the feared shooter from AOL.com, has challenged Flint to a duel by remarking that Flint is "full of shit." Stay tuned for more updates later right here in Channel LD1. | -----Original Message----- | From: Hawkeye255@aol.com [mailto:Hawkeye255@aol.com] | Sent: Sunday 25 July 1999 7:25 AM | To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com | Subject: Re: old echoplex | | | << Kim Flint wrote: | > BTW, freedom of speech only applies between a government and | the people. | Doesn't have any meaning if there is no government involved, | which is the | case for private organizations such as this. >> | | Kim, you're full of shit. There are thousands of examples of | case law (in | the US anyway) that prove what you say to be untrue: | organizations cannot | deprive their employees, their members, or (in this case) their | subscribers | of rights granted specifically by their country's laws. Further, this | maillist is not the 'private' entity you seem to think it is. | | Bill 'hawkeye' Reiter | | From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Jul 25 15:53:37 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA27201; Sun, 25 Jul 1999 15:53:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 15:53:37 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <001601bed6d4$e0d02220$dd32dacf@sgoodman> Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: <000001bed6d1$20bb3040$1a1ed1d1@electra> Subject: Re: old echoplex Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 12:35:39 -0700 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: <"hDozo.0.DD6.-Ssct"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7080 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Gasp! They're dueling with smack? Or just smacking each other? Javier Miranda V. announced: > NOON TOMORROW -- This just in: Kim Flint has just been challenged to a duel > at noon tomorrow smack in the middle of Main St. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Jul 25 15:59:04 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA27888; Sun, 25 Jul 1999 15:59:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 15:59:04 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199907251939.PAA21967@smtp5.mindspring.com> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 15:45:44 -0400 Subject: Re: fight for your right From: "Christopher White" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"lJ-KH1.0.uH6.1Wsct"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7081 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com well i think..* door breaks down blackcoated police enter* ahhh no i am sorry.... i won't voice my opinion on the subject..please...no....NO!!! ---------- >From: "Javier Miranda V." >To: >Subject: RE: old echoplex >Date: Sun, Jul 25, 1999, 3:08 PM > >NOON TOMORROW -- This just in: Kim Flint has just been challenged to a duel >at noon tomorrow smack in the middle of Main St. Bill "Hawkeye" Reiter, the >feared shooter from AOL.com, has challenged Flint to a duel by remarking >that Flint is "full of shit." Stay tuned for more updates later right here >in Channel LD1. > > | -----Original Message----- > | From: Hawkeye255@aol.com [mailto:Hawkeye255@aol.com] > | Sent: Sunday 25 July 1999 7:25 AM > | To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > | Subject: Re: old echoplex > | > | > | << Kim Flint wrote: > | > BTW, freedom of speech only applies between a government and > | the people. > | Doesn't have any meaning if there is no government involved, > | which is the > | case for private organizations such as this. >> > | > | Kim, you're full of shit. There are thousands of examples of > | case law (in > | the US anyway) that prove what you say to be untrue: > | organizations cannot > | deprive their employees, their members, or (in this case) their > | subscribers > | of rights granted specifically by their country's laws. Further, this > | maillist is not the 'private' entity you seem to think it is. > | > | Bill 'hawkeye' Reiter > | > | > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Jul 25 16:27:22 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA31167; Sun, 25 Jul 1999 16:27:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 16:27:22 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <379B6DD3.5636@club-internet.fr> Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 22:04:35 +0200 From: PERILLE Reply-To: perille@club-internet.fr X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 [fr]C-CLUB (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: DJRND2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Rb-EE3.0.G-6.btsct"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7082 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com New foto of my looper at http://web.club-internet.fr Hope nobody has got some problem to receive it Emmanuel From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Jul 25 16:27:49 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA31201; Sun, 25 Jul 1999 16:27:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 16:27:49 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: ENAT21213@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 16:08:30 EDT Subject: Re: New looping pedal--Line 6 DL-4 Delay Modeler. To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 21 Resent-Message-ID: <"GwaVV1.0.OB7.azsct"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7083 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 7/25/99 2:58:51 PM Eastern Daylight Time, gnominus@earthling.net writes: > Did you mean >"Anyone know if you're able to connect a simple (cheap) > footswitch to tap in the tempo, or do you have to tap it in from the unit > itself, like the line-6 pod (without their footswitch which costs extra)."? > yes............something like the footswitch used with the jamman or vortex would be cool. taping in by foot is what i'm looking for out of this unit.....possible? brian electric bird noise (cinematic loop and layered instrumental music) sounds etc. at: http://members.aol.com/ebnoise.index.html From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Jul 25 16:33:51 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA32028; Sun, 25 Jul 1999 16:33:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 16:33:51 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 13:17:31 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Missing LD Digests Resent-Message-ID: <"aprZf1.0.9M7.L3tct"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7084 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 2:58 AM -0700 7/25/99, Kim Flint wrote: >At 11:15 AM -0700 7/23/99, Lee Fletcher wrote: >>Dear Kim / Loopers, >> >>I haven't received any Digests since 19th July, and yet I notice that >>they are still regularly appearing in the LD Archives. I don't think >>that the problem is at my end, so any help would be most appreciated... > >The digest got screwed up, due to a problem at my ISP last week. It hasn't >gone out since Monday. Hopefully I've got it fixed now..... > hmm, I guess I don't have it fixed yet..... still trying..... kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Jul 25 17:19:09 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA04580; Sun, 25 Jul 1999 17:19:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 17:19:09 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <002501bed6e1$4f7e1040$02585858@timspc> From: "american qabalah" To: References: <379B6DD3.5636@club-internet.fr> Subject: Re: DJRND2 Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 16:04:38 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: <"HZ4HQ3.0.Sl.6ktct"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7085 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Emmanuel, I don't speak French, would you tell us where in that web site your looper is featured? I don't see any photos of equipment on the index page. ----- Original Message ----- From: PERILLE To: Sent: Sunday, July 25, 1999 3:04 PM Subject: DJRND2 > New foto of my looper at http://web.club-internet.fr > > Hope nobody has got some problem to receive it > > Emmanuel > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Jul 25 18:00:17 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA08677; Sun, 25 Jul 1999 18:00:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 18:00:17 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990725212621.54148.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [165.227.137.15] From: "David Potter" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: old echoplex Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 14:26:21 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"bjlaz2.0.3Z1.FEuct"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7086 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Stick this in your loop hawkeye... go be a jerk on some political netlink connection..a la rush limbaugh....Om and out >From: "Javier Miranda V." >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >To: >Subject: RE: old echoplex >Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 12:08:49 -0700 > >NOON TOMORROW -- This just in: Kim Flint has just been challenged to a >duel >at noon tomorrow smack in the middle of Main St. Bill "Hawkeye" Reiter, >the >feared shooter from AOL.com, has challenged Flint to a duel by remarking >that Flint is "full of shit." Stay tuned for more updates later right here >in Channel LD1. > > | -----Original Message----- > | From: Hawkeye255@aol.com [mailto:Hawkeye255@aol.com] > | Sent: Sunday 25 July 1999 7:25 AM > | To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > | Subject: Re: old echoplex > | > | > | << Kim Flint wrote: > | > BTW, freedom of speech only applies between a government and > | the people. > | Doesn't have any meaning if there is no government involved, > | which is the > | case for private organizations such as this. >> > | > | Kim, you're full of shit. There are thousands of examples of > | case law (in > | the US anyway) that prove what you say to be untrue: > | organizations cannot > | deprive their employees, their members, or (in this case) their > | subscribers > | of rights granted specifically by their country's laws. Further, this > | maillist is not the 'private' entity you seem to think it is. > | > | Bill 'hawkeye' Reiter > | > | > > _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Jul 25 19:36:22 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA18124; Sun, 25 Jul 1999 19:36:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 19:36:22 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <379B9B8D.7A72@club-internet.fr> Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 01:19:41 +0200 From: PERILLE Reply-To: perille@club-internet.fr X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 [fr]C-CLUB (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: DJRND2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"HQkLi.0.Y24.Skvct"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7087 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > > New foto of my looper at ...... > > > > Hope nobody has got some problem to receive it > > > > Emmanuel > > american qabalah wrote : > Emmanuel, I don't speak French, would you tell us where in that web site your > looper is featured? I don't see any photos of equipment on the index page. Sorry ! I forgot to put my name at the end ! http://web.club-internet.fr/perille From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Jul 25 20:58:09 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA26299; Sun, 25 Jul 1999 20:58:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 20:58:09 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199907260041.UAA27345@smtp4.mindspring.com> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 20:48:01 -0400 Subject: Re: old echoplex From: "Christopher White" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"QoXDA3.0.S_5.Rxwct"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7088 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com man people chill out it is only the internet after all ---------- >From: "David Potter" >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Subject: RE: old echoplex >Date: Sun, Jul 25, 1999, 5:26 PM > >Stick this in your loop hawkeye... go be a jerk on some political netlink >connection..a la rush limbaugh....Om and out > > >>From: "Javier Miranda V." >>Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >>To: >>Subject: RE: old echoplex >>Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 12:08:49 -0700 >> >>NOON TOMORROW -- This just in: Kim Flint has just been challenged to a >>duel >>at noon tomorrow smack in the middle of Main St. Bill "Hawkeye" Reiter, >>the >>feared shooter from AOL.com, has challenged Flint to a duel by remarking >>that Flint is "full of shit." Stay tuned for more updates later right here >>in Channel LD1. >> >> | -----Original Message----- >> | From: Hawkeye255@aol.com [mailto:Hawkeye255@aol.com] >> | Sent: Sunday 25 July 1999 7:25 AM >> | To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >> | Subject: Re: old echoplex >> | >> | >> | << Kim Flint wrote: >> | > BTW, freedom of speech only applies between a government and >> | the people. >> | Doesn't have any meaning if there is no government involved, >> | which is the >> | case for private organizations such as this. >> >> | >> | Kim, you're full of shit. There are thousands of examples of >> | case law (in >> | the US anyway) that prove what you say to be untrue: >> | organizations cannot >> | deprive their employees, their members, or (in this case) their >> | subscribers >> | of rights granted specifically by their country's laws. Further, this >> | maillist is not the 'private' entity you seem to think it is. >> | >> | Bill 'hawkeye' Reiter >> | >> | >> >> > > >_______________________________________________________________ >Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jul 26 00:30:55 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA22065; Mon, 26 Jul 1999 00:30:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 00:30:55 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <379B98CA.D0913AEF@texas.net> Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 23:07:57 +0000 From: Bobdog Reply-To: psbuddha@texas.net Organization: Pseudo Buddha/Doghouse Audio Laboratory X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: old echoplex References: <199907260041.UAA27345@smtp4.mindspring.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"BgMSF2.0.J54.Ezzct"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7089 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com golly, did i help start this? gosh. sorry. listen to christopher... Christopher White wrote: > man people chill out it is only the internet after all > ---------- bobdog From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jul 26 01:58:47 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA03100; Mon, 26 Jul 1999 01:58:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 01:58:47 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <379BF7AD.6A45@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 22:52:46 -0700 From: scott kungha drengsen X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-MACOS8 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: old echoplex References: <199907260041.UAA27345@smtp4.mindspring.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"DnfkD3.0.1p7.PB_ct"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7090 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I really liked what Kim had to say about free speech applying to governments not individuals.It reminded me that in an anarchistic society people would be valued in proportion to the quality of what they said,(or did)not,merely their "right" to say it.This sort of turns everything into Art...I wonder how much "free speech" would be dispenced with if people didn't oppose one another to begin with.It seems to me that without opposition(real or imagined)the concept of free speech is meaningless and statements could be appraised on quality alone...or joke value ;) Kungha From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jul 26 02:09:31 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA04612; Mon, 26 Jul 1999 02:09:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 02:09:31 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990726055433.11708.rocketmail@web123.yahoomail.com> Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 01:54:33 -0400 (EDT) From: John Tidwell Subject: Re: What's A Good Pitch Shift Pedal? To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"WEuAF2.0.Mc.uV_ct"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7091 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I do this kind of stuff a lot with my Digitech 2101 & 2112. On the 2112, you can even assign a square wave LFO to handle the pitch shift. Digitech sells upgrades for both that will, amongst other things, increase delay times. John --- Tim Nelson wrote: > I'm looking for a device that can take a short loop > that's already > repeating and shift it up or down by a pre-set > interval AFTER the looper so > that stomping the switch again returns the loop to > the original key. It'd > be mostly single-note stuff, basslines and the like, > but an affordable > device that wouldn't freak out if it had to process > a more complex signal > would be nice. > > Any ideas? > > Tim > > > === John Tidwell _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jul 26 10:41:02 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA16548; Mon, 26 Jul 1999 10:41:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 10:41:02 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199907261430.HAA24928@scv1.apple.com> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 09:30:56 -0500 Subject: FS: Echoplex $500 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: "Looper's Delight" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"wLAtN.0.Sm3.E57dt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7092 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com from Harmony Central. Direct all inquiries to: bizarro@tir.com Oberheim Echoplex DP Asking Price: US$500 Condition: Good Age: 3 years Description: Oberheim Echoplex Digital Pro w/ 7 function footswitch. Looper/Delay w/ reverse, overdubbing and undo. 1 meg expandable to 16. 1 meg gives 12.5 seconds of delay/looping. Eats JamMans and Boomerangs for lunch. $500 obo Seller: Michael Ford, E-mail: bizarro@tir.com (Profile) Post Date: 7/25/99 From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jul 26 12:00:35 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA01671; Mon, 26 Jul 1999 12:00:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 12:00:35 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Reply-To: "m.hughes" From: "Michael P. Hughes, PhD" To: Kevin Cc: Loopers-Delight Subject: RE: old opinions Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 16:51:19 -0700 Message-ID: <006d01bed7c1$c1aa5c60$acb6e383@me-biopc-22.mech.surrey.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <3799E403.6F19744D@minds-eye.org> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"8XHZS3.0.Ak7.UH8dt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7093 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Kevin: > On topic (sort of), as someone who has never had beyond 5 seconds of looping > capacity, I sometimes wonder what I'd actually do with 64 seconds of loop time > (but I'm willing to find out :-) I have 32 sec and I'm damnes dure I've never reached that deliberately. I think I may have tried to do a 16-bar loop and failed due to lack of time once, but that's a good indicator of why I *do* have those 32 seconds; headroom (not headrush). I like to know I can assemble a 20 second loop without having to worry if I'm suddenly going to run out of space. My loops now aren't much bigger than they were when I only had 8 seconds, but I worry a lot less! > its early, please forgive the pointlessness of this post You mean, like, its genuine loop content? From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jul 26 12:07:34 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA03834; Mon, 26 Jul 1999 12:07:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 12:07:34 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Reply-To: "m.hughes" From: "Michael P. Hughes, PhD" To: Loopers-Delight Subject: AxSys, Rights etc Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 16:56:45 -0700 Message-ID: <006e01bed7c2$83ee1c80$acb6e383@me-biopc-22.mech.surrey.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.19990724113113.007c1280@pop.mindspring.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"qgIom3.0.eE.SM8dt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7094 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > Howdy, > I have to tell you that I use a AxSys 212 by Line 6 in my > looping rig--and it's just a great, great amp. Does this mean they've got an FX loop on it? I remember that being a mejor omission on the first Line6 amps. > Kim, you're full of shit. There are thousands of examples of case law (in > the US anyway) that prove what you say to be untrue: organizations cannot > deprive their employees, their members, or (in this case) their subscribers > of rights granted specifically by their country's laws. Don't worry, Kim; if it makes you feel better, censor me (and avoid legal infringement)! Mike (non-US) From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jul 26 12:41:14 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA13923; Mon, 26 Jul 1999 12:41:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 12:41:14 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990726123259.007b1bf0@panther.middlebury.edu> X-Sender: mchriste@panther.middlebury.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 12:32:59 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight From: murkie Subject: RE: old opinions In-Reply-To: <006d01bed7c1$c1aa5c60$acb6e383@me-biopc-22.mech.surrey.ac. uk> References: <3799E403.6F19744D@minds-eye.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"DhBY_1.0.tz2.ru8dt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7095 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 04:51 PM 7/26/99 -0700, you wrote: >> On topic (sort of), as someone who has never had beyond 5 seconds of looping >> capacity, I sometimes wonder what I'd actually do with 64 seconds of loop time >> (but I'm willing to find out :-) > >I have 32 sec and I'm damnes dure I've never reached that deliberately. i think tht's one of the reasons i've stuck with the jamman. i've never felt i needed more than 32 seconds and having the option of more time might actually cause my brain to melt mid-show. it may be that i'm a simpleton, but the lack of options with the jamman is what makes it appealing to me. i need something to be super user-friendly for me to be able to incorporate it into performance. it does what i need it to. which prompts another question: anybody out there ever feel like your gear is controlling your creativity instead of the other way around? m ===================================================================== = = = M a r k C h r i s t e n s e n = = Cramped Quarters Studio / Jasperpottamus Music Publishing = = internet: murkie@middlebury.edu = = http://www.middlebury.edu/~mchriste/murkie.html = = = ===================================================================== From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jul 26 13:03:48 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA18084; Mon, 26 Jul 1999 13:03:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 13:03:48 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <746b9c19.24cdec20@aol.com> Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 12:51:44 EDT Subject: Re: old opinions To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 21 Resent-Message-ID: <"Q-pJj2.0.hF4.UF9dt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7096 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 7/26/99 3:40:53 PM Mid-Atlantic Daylight Time, murkie@panther.middlebury.edu writes: << anybody out there ever feel like your gear is controlling your creativity instead of the other way around? >> all the time!.......michael From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jul 26 13:55:47 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA25956; Mon, 26 Jul 1999 13:55:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 13:55:47 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <025501bed78c$f8fa5060$4c2a10ac@Douglas> From: "K. Douglas Baldwin" To: "b.knox" , Subject: Re: New looping pedal--Line 6 DL-4 Delay Modeler. Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 12:14:21 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"JLv6l1.0.SW5.Dm9dt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7097 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com -----Original Message----- From: b.knox To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Saturday, July 24, 1999 7:33 AM Subject: Re: New looping pedal--Line 6 DL-4 Delay Modeler. >yawn... > >this line6 vintage simulation thing is well.. old already.. >why don't they make some goddamn *new* effects with that "patented >digital modeling technology"? even a convincing simulation of something >is always less exciting than something truly original IMHO. who are >these line6 people and where did they come from? Knox knocks the nail on the head! Too many clones! With all that tone-shaping power you'd think they could make something that could sound like a horde of aluminum locusts at dawn in December after a three day 'frop binge. I bet the problem is at least partly due to some $-based decision about three years ago, when some suit said, "Hey! This retro thing is selling big. Let's make our next chip ALL retro." Much easier than using some creativity. Then they burned gazillions of retro-friendly chips and now they're figuring out how to wrap them in new boxes and make them salable.... From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jul 26 14:24:26 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA30358; Mon, 26 Jul 1999 14:24:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 14:24:26 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: bedwellm@WellsFargo.COM Message-ID: <5BA4EAE4ACF6D211BC540001FA7EB19629C43C@xcem-casfo-11.wellsfargo.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: Information superhighway road rage (was Re: old echoplex) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 10:06:50 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"d_TwB3.0.986.S_9dt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7098 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com It's not his ability to express that got my attention. It's what was being expressed. A little difference there. Micah > -----Original Message----- > From: american qabalah [SMTP:american@qabalah.com] > Sent: Friday, July 23, 1999 6:55 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Subject: Information superhighway road rage (was Re: old echoplex) > Importance: Low > > Freedom of Speech, n. > > The constitutionally protected right of any citizen to express your > opinions. > > Addendum to Devil's Dictionary > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Bobdog > To: > Cc: > Sent: Friday, July 23, 1999 2:30 PM > Subject: Re: old echoplex > > > > it's interesting how upset non-conservatives get when a conservative > > uses his freedom of speech. > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jul 26 14:27:05 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA30789; Mon, 26 Jul 1999 14:27:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 14:27:05 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <006e01bed7c2$83ee1c80$acb6e383@me-biopc-22.mech.surrey.ac.uk> References: <3.0.6.32.19990724113113.007c1280@pop.mindspring.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 10:59:31 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: AxSys, Rights etc Resent-Message-ID: <"CqUgu1.0.yS6.-7Adt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7099 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 4:56 PM -0700 7/26/99, Michael P. Hughes, PhD wrote: >> Kim, you're full of shit. There are thousands of examples of case law (in >> the US anyway) that prove what you say to be untrue: organizations cannot >> deprive their employees, their members, or (in this case) their subscribers >> of rights granted specifically by their country's laws. > >Don't worry, Kim; if it makes you feel better, censor me (and avoid legal >infringement)! > >Mike (non-US) What, me worry? Fact is, there are no such laws. Here in the US, we have this remarkable phenomon where it's possible to quote all sorts of rights granted us by our constitution, without ever having actually read the document. I think you Europeans make fun of us quite a bit for that, and rightly so, but we have bigger guns than you so we don't care. For the record, the 1st ammendment of the US constitution goes thusly: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise therof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press, or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances." Which is pretty cool, but note that first word there. Some people get confused and think this bit of text protects their speech from other citizens and non-government entities, but it doesn't. It just protects people from the government. Since I'm not a member of congress or any other government entity, this doesn't apply to me. I could in fact restrict what people say here on my mailing list any way I want, same as a newspaper editor can restrict what is printed in the paper by the reporters working for him, and same as the zillions of moderated internet mailing lists already do. I just choose not to, because I think it's better that people can say what they want without worry. Bubbling cauldron of social discourse and all that. Well, that's not completely true, because I now prevent spammers and other outsiders from posting here, so speech is partly restricted on LD. But then, there are also numerous US laws restricting speech - slander, libel, copyright, trademark, assault, truth-in-advertising, SEC, etc. Of course, the list is currently running from a server in Saudi Arabia, so none of this matters. ;-) kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jul 26 15:28:37 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA07689; Mon, 26 Jul 1999 15:28:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 15:28:37 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19990726140427.0088c210@tamiu.edu> X-Sender: myoder@tamiu.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 14:04:27 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: "Michael S. Yoder" Subject: Re: old echoplex Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"Q_c9l.0.m01.i5Bdt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7100 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Bobdog wrote: >it's interesting how upset non-conservatives get when a conservative >uses his freedom of speech. Yeah. And you should see how conservatives get when anyone non-conservative says ANYTHING! Conservatives are the world's worst at misrepresenting and twisting what non-conservatives say and believe! If I had a dollar for all the times conservatives referred to my somewhat left-of-center ideas as "communist," I could qualify for those capital gains tax cut giveaways they're all pushing for! Sincerely, Michael. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Dr. Michael S. Yoder Assistant Professor of Geography, Coordinator of Urban Studies Texas A&M International University 5201 University Blvd. Laredo, TX 78041 Tel. (956) 326-2634; FAX (956) 326-2464 Internet:myoder@tamiu.edu =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=--=-=-=-== From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jul 26 15:46:45 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA10389; Mon, 26 Jul 1999 15:46:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 15:46:45 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <2148EC143F29D1118BE000805FC13CD0DB56DB@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: old opinions Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 15:26:51 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Resent-Message-ID: <"7wfFU3.0.8t1.DRBdt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7101 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > << anybody out there ever feel like your gear > is controlling your creativity instead of the other way around? >> > > all the time!.......michael > > ** i went through this a long time ago - - and a lot of it was based on the "problem" (at least for me) of using rack devices that were all menu programing and no knobs. since i jettisoned that stuff and moved to stomp boxes and the more intuitive/interactive (again for me) interface of knobs and analog controls, i seem to have less of this problem. ('course some things are less "flexible," but then i go for stravinsky's comment that he found freedom in a small box.) this coupled with the fact that i no longer feel *obligated* to use everything because i spent the bucks on it. some bands i do don't use any processing gear, some i use a little and some i use a lot - - and even then i may not use it for a whole gig. jes' some ideas from my personal experience. stig From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jul 26 15:58:28 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA12009; Mon, 26 Jul 1999 15:58:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 15:58:28 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <379CBA65.7B4331E@apex.net> Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 14:43:36 -0500 From: James Devillez Reply-To: grndflor@apex.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: old e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <"9dI9-.0.5C2._aBdt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7102 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Seems like to me that freedom of speech is like property lines. One person's property ends when another's begins. and as far as >>r (in this case) their >> | subscribers >> | of rights granted specifically by their country's laws. I believe since Kim is doing all the work, he can do whatever he wants..it's his baby. what did Ronnie Van Zant say, ask me no questions and I'll tell you no lies. I have neither the akai or line 6..so far I've enough on my hands with a EDP, vortex(thanks for the patches that have shown up here) an expanded JamMan, an expanded Digitech 2101. I am looking forward to reports on this line 6 unit though. my 2Ē which won't by a Fireball jawbreaker today . From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jul 26 16:04:53 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA13214; Mon, 26 Jul 1999 16:04:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 16:04:53 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <2148EC143F29D1118BE000805FC13CD0DB56DC@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: old echoplex Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 15:44:04 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Resent-Message-ID: <"T16sO3.0.qU2.PhBdt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7103 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com geez . . . i guess i really missed something by not going to that guy's web site. i feel so alone. > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael S. Yoder [SMTP:myoder@tamiu.edu] > Sent: Monday, July 26, 1999 12:04 > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Subject: Re: old echoplex > > Bobdog wrote: > >it's interesting how upset non-conservatives get when a conservative > >uses his freedom of speech. > > Yeah. And you should see how conservatives get when anyone > non-conservative says ANYTHING! Conservatives are the world's worst at > misrepresenting and twisting what non-conservatives say and believe! If I > had a dollar for all the times conservatives referred to my somewhat > left-of-center ideas as "communist," I could qualify for those capital > gains tax cut giveaways they're all pushing for! > > Sincerely, > Michael. > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > > Dr. Michael S. Yoder > Assistant Professor of Geography, > Coordinator of Urban Studies > Texas A&M International University > 5201 University Blvd. > Laredo, TX 78041 > Tel. (956) 326-2634; FAX (956) 326-2464 > Internet:myoder@tamiu.edu > > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=--=-=-=-== From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jul 26 16:21:59 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA16190; Mon, 26 Jul 1999 16:21:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 16:21:59 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: KB305@aol.com Message-ID: <956f47d7.24ce150d@aol.com> Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 15:46:21 EDT Subject: Re: AxSys, Rights etc To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 14 Resent-Message-ID: <"pJawz.0.Ce2.ykBdt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7104 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 7/26/99 1:26:56 PM Central Daylight Time, kflint@annihilist.com writes: << Of course, the list is currently running from a server in Saudi Arabia, so none of this matters. >> Yeah, and what about the rights of those who have been looping all evening and into the morning, who have thereby been transported into outer space, where legal issues are not clearly defined? And what about a pointed stick? kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jul 26 16:40:10 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA19214; Mon, 26 Jul 1999 16:40:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 16:40:10 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <002501bed7a3$6fbc3900$02585858@timspc> From: "american qabalah" To: References: <5BA4EAE4ACF6D211BC540001FA7EB19629C43C@xcem-casfo-11.wellsfargo.com> Subject: Re: Information superhighway road rage (was Re: old echoplex) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 15:14:11 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: <"0wrBy.0.nY3.s4Cdt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7105 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Micah, You didn't get the joke. Fondly, Tim ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, July 26, 1999 12:06 PM Subject: RE: Information superhighway road rage (was Re: old echoplex) > It's not his ability to express that got my attention. It's what was being > expressed. > > A little difference there. > > Micah > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: american qabalah [SMTP:american@qabalah.com] > > Sent: Friday, July 23, 1999 6:55 PM > > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > > Subject: Information superhighway road rage (was Re: old echoplex) > > Importance: Low > > > > Freedom of Speech, n. > > > > The constitutionally protected right of any citizen to express your > > opinions. > > > > Addendum to Devil's Dictionary From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jul 26 17:20:44 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA25374; Mon, 26 Jul 1999 17:20:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 17:20:44 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: bedwellm@WellsFargo.COM Message-ID: <5BA4EAE4ACF6D211BC540001FA7EB19629C45D@xcem-casfo-11.wellsfargo.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: Information superhighway road rage (was Re: old echoplex) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 13:47:56 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"4D_VL3.0.q25.fcCdt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7106 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com It's not the first time. Micah > -----Original Message----- > From: american qabalah [SMTP:american@qabalah.com] > Sent: Monday, July 26, 1999 1:14 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Subject: Re: Information superhighway road rage (was Re: old > echoplex) > > Micah, > > You didn't get the joke. > > Fondly, > Tim > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Monday, July 26, 1999 12:06 PM > Subject: RE: Information superhighway road rage (was Re: old echoplex) > > > > It's not his ability to express that got my attention. It's what was > being > > expressed. > > > > A little difference there. > > > > Micah > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: american qabalah [SMTP:american@qabalah.com] > > > Sent: Friday, July 23, 1999 6:55 PM > > > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > > > Subject: Information superhighway road rage (was Re: old echoplex) > > > Importance: Low > > > > > > Freedom of Speech, n. > > > > > > The constitutionally protected right of any citizen to express your > > > opinions. > > > > > > Addendum to Devil's Dictionary > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jul 26 17:40:32 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA28148; Mon, 26 Jul 1999 17:40:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 17:40:32 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990726210653.53873.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [209.20.0.136] From: "ld thomson" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: constitutional rights may not apply in some areas Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 14:06:52 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"rkkWc3.0.bj5.ruCdt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7107 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com You Americans sure like to talk about that right to free speach a lot, and seem to use it to excuse any one's opinion or statement no matter how false, hurtfull or just plain silly. Oh well. God bless ya. You own our butts so I may as well get used to hearing about something that doesn't apply to me. >From: "american qabalah" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >To: >Subject: Re: Information superhighway road rage (was Re: old echoplex) >Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 15:14:11 -0500 > >Micah, > >You didn't get the joke. > >Fondly, >Tim > >----- Original Message ----- >From: >To: >Sent: Monday, July 26, 1999 12:06 PM >Subject: RE: Information superhighway road rage (was Re: old echoplex) > > > > It's not his ability to express that got my attention. It's what was >being > > expressed. > > > > A little difference there. > > > > Micah > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: american qabalah [SMTP:american@qabalah.com] > > > Sent: Friday, July 23, 1999 6:55 PM > > > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > > > Subject: Information superhighway road rage (was Re: old echoplex) > > > Importance: Low > > > > > > Freedom of Speech, n. > > > > > > The constitutionally protected right of any citizen to express your > > > opinions. > > > > > > Addendum to Devil's Dictionary > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jul 26 18:11:53 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA32376; Mon, 26 Jul 1999 18:11:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 18:11:53 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Loopbozo@aol.com Message-ID: <863ca2e3.24ce3242@aol.com> Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 17:50:58 EDT Subject: EH-16 To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows sub 11 Resent-Message-ID: <"2RHeT3.0.sH7.DYDdt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7108 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Once again with feeling.... For sale by original owner-EH 16 second digital delay. Comes with footswitch (mint outside-battery corroded inside). MSRP w/footswitch circa 1984 was 700$ Dealer cost circa 1983-84 was 450$ w/footswitch. Asking 1000$ or best offer, please direct all replies and inquiries to: loopbozo@aol.com thanks, Bryan Helm P.S. This delay plays well with other looping units and will not eat them for lunch, or dinner, unless asked very nicely.However there are long term side effects from using this device that are best described as "corrupting & twisted" in the nicest musical sort of way. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jul 26 18:56:09 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA06177; Mon, 26 Jul 1999 18:56:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 18:56:09 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199907262225.SAA27492@smtp5.mindspring.com> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 18:30:48 -0400 Subject: Re: old echoplex From: "Christopher White" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"RxCy42.0.4X.d1Edt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7109 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com how about this.... people who tend to adhere to strongly to either side usually tends to be an ass in both instances..vote libertarian! but hey i like looping tools also...bobdog should hook me up with a free boomerang for being so cuddly and sweet. ---------- >From: "Liebig, Steuart A." >To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" >Subject: RE: old echoplex >Date: Mon, Jul 26, 1999, 3:44 PM > >geez . . . i guess i really missed something by not going to that guy's web >site. i feel so alone. > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Michael S. Yoder [SMTP:myoder@tamiu.edu] >> Sent: Monday, July 26, 1999 12:04 >> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >> Subject: Re: old echoplex >> >> Bobdog wrote: >> >it's interesting how upset non-conservatives get when a conservative >> >uses his freedom of speech. >> >> Yeah. And you should see how conservatives get when anyone >> non-conservative says ANYTHING! Conservatives are the world's worst at >> misrepresenting and twisting what non-conservatives say and believe! If I >> had a dollar for all the times conservatives referred to my somewhat >> left-of-center ideas as "communist," I could qualify for those capital >> gains tax cut giveaways they're all pushing for! >> >> Sincerely, >> Michael. >> =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= >> >> Dr. Michael S. Yoder >> Assistant Professor of Geography, >> Coordinator of Urban Studies >> Texas A&M International University >> 5201 University Blvd. >> Laredo, TX 78041 >> Tel. (956) 326-2634; FAX (956) 326-2464 >> Internet:myoder@tamiu.edu >> >> =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=--=-=-=-== > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jul 26 18:58:34 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA06524; Mon, 26 Jul 1999 18:58:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 18:58:34 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199907262228.SAA21356@smtp5.mindspring.com> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 18:35:18 -0400 Subject: Re: old opinions From: "Christopher White" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Ozo5E3.0.Vf.55Edt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7110 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com yes, i alsoo have been kicking my less fun equipment outta my studio.. i am a firm believer of chaos and i sure as hell am not interested in sequencing or even presetting up my looping devices to match tempo i would rather just do it on the fly and if i mess up..ah well that is where the fun is_trying to correct a mistake and making that 'mistake' into the thing it's self. whatta i know i am just a kid. c.white ---------- >From: "Liebig, Steuart A." >To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" >Subject: RE: old opinions >Date: Mon, Jul 26, 1999, 3:26 PM > > >> << anybody out there ever feel like your gear >> is controlling your creativity instead of the other way around? >> >> >> all the time!.......michael >> >> > ** i went through this a long time ago - - and a lot of it was based >on the "problem" (at least for me) of using rack devices that were all menu >programing and no knobs. since i jettisoned that stuff and moved to stomp >boxes and the more intuitive/interactive (again for me) interface of knobs >and analog controls, i seem to have less of this problem. ('course some >things are less "flexible," but then i go for stravinsky's comment that he >found freedom in a small box.) this coupled with the fact that i no longer >feel *obligated* to use everything because i spent the bucks on it. some >bands i do don't use any processing gear, some i use a little and some i use >a lot - - and even then i may not use it for a whole gig. > > jes' some ideas from my personal experience. > > stig > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jul 26 19:04:48 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA07422; Mon, 26 Jul 1999 19:04:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 19:04:48 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990726185408.007a2640@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 18:54:08 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: New looping pedal--Line 6 DL-4 Delay Modeler. In-Reply-To: <025501bed78c$f8fa5060$4c2a10ac@Douglas> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"X_sik2.0.pD1.uKEdt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7112 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Excellent point, K.Douglas. The only problem I see with it is that "new" sounds don't stay new for very long. If Line-6 (or Roland, or Korg, Digitech, etc.) introduced a box o' aluminum locusts (& their Martian counterparts) it might well become the "flavor of the month" for a little while, then show up as a glut on eBay. Don't get me wrong; I enjoy warped stompboxes as much as anyone, and can't wait for the first wave of Space Station enthusiasts to get bored so I can pick one up for fifty bucks! I think Line-6's intentions were probably good in putting several popular retro effects in one package; the real estate around one's feet can get pretty cluttered. But I do agree with what you've all said about gear that's too exclusively retro-targeted; it would be great if someone made a box that offered some of each, a representative, usable selection of both "classic" sounds and original, futuristic stuff. But then that same suit would shoot the idea down, because obviously the thing would be so great that nobody would buy NEXT year's model! Tim At 12:14 PM 7/26/99 -0400, you wrote: > >Knox knocks the nail on the head! Too many clones! With all that >tone-shaping power you'd think they could make something that could sound >like a horde of aluminum locusts at dawn in December after a three day 'frop >binge. I bet the problem is at least partly due to some $-based decision >about three years ago, when some suit said, "Hey! This retro thing is >selling big. Let's make our next chip ALL retro." Much easier than using >some creativity. Then they burned gazillions of retro-friendly chips and now >they're figuring out how to wrap them in new boxes and make them salable.... > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jul 26 19:05:17 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA07526; Mon, 26 Jul 1999 19:05:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 19:05:17 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <002801bed7b7$3997f6c0$e232dacf@sgoodman> Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: <956f47d7.24ce150d@aol.com> Subject: Re: AxSys, Rights etc Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 15:35:53 -0700 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: <"eH9ms1.0.rx.2CEdt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7111 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Nah, we should keep this discussion to [twisting head] Fresh Fruit! Stephen Goodman * It's the Loop of the Week! EarthLight Productions * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios.html intoned: > And what about a pointed stick? From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jul 26 21:31:03 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA26161; Mon, 26 Jul 1999 21:31:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 21:31:03 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <379D0481.6BD98ADB@sfsu.edu> Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 17:59:46 -0700 From: Matt Davignon X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: short looping times References: <3799E403.6F19744D@minds-eye.org> <3.0.5.32.19990726123259.007b1bf0@panther.middlebury.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"IXCMI1.0.UY5.LJGdt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7113 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com It's funny, I've had only 4 second loop pedals and I've never felt shorted by it. Now I have a computer and I rarely ever use it to make loops. The added "live" control of the hands on approach to me surpasses the ability to loop for longer and edit better. I wind up with short loops with unusual, unpredicted rhythmic or melodic patterns. If I were to do the same thing with longer loops, my music would become too hard to follow and I probably wouldn't enjoy it any more. The other night, I spent three hours or so editing myself a 15 second loop on the computer. It sounds pretty, but I don't know what else I'd add to it, or how I'd spice it up into a CD-worthy song. Besides, I'm way too lazy to spend that much time working to get a final product. matt davignon p.s. David Orton, it looks like we lost you on the (CF) chain. Could you please respond to a CF mail? murkie wrote: > At 04:51 PM 7/26/99 -0700, you wrote: > > >> On topic (sort of), as someone who has never had beyond 5 seconds of > looping > >> capacity, I sometimes wonder what I'd actually do with 64 seconds of > loop time > >> (but I'm willing to find out :-) > > > >I have 32 sec and I'm damnes dure I've never reached that deliberately. > > i think tht's one of the reasons i've stuck with the jamman. i've never > felt i needed more than 32 seconds and having the option of more time > might actually cause my brain to melt mid-show. > > it may be that i'm a simpleton, but the lack of options with the jamman is > what makes it appealing to me. i need something to be super user-friendly > for me to be able to incorporate it into performance. it does what i need > it to. > > which prompts another question: anybody out there ever feel like your gear > is controlling your creativity instead of the other way around? > > m > > ===================================================================== > = = > = M a r k C h r i s t e n s e n = > = Cramped Quarters Studio / Jasperpottamus Music Publishing = > = internet: murkie@middlebury.edu = > = http://www.middlebury.edu/~mchriste/murkie.html = > = = > ===================================================================== From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jul 26 21:35:47 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA26593; Mon, 26 Jul 1999 21:35:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 21:35:47 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <379D05F9.EB3702EF@sfsu.edu> Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 18:06:01 -0700 From: Matt Davignon X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: constitutional rights may not apply in some areas References: <19990726210653.53873.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"3PPE61.0.uj5.XOGdt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7114 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Which butts are those? I didn't know I owned any butts. ld thomson wrote: > You Americans sure like to talk about that right to free speach a lot, and > seem to use it to excuse any one's opinion or statement no matter how false, > hurtfull or just plain silly. Oh well. God bless ya. You own our butts so > I may as well get used to hearing about something that doesn't apply to me. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jul 26 21:55:48 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA28828; Mon, 26 Jul 1999 21:55:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 21:55:48 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <379D0EDC.4B72@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 18:43:57 -0700 From: Andre LaFosse Reply-To: altruist@earthlink.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-MACOS8 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Subject: WANTED: Online music responses Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"ZGz373.0.996.scGdt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7115 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hello people -- This isn't entirely loop-related, but I figure it's no less so than threads about conservative politics or freedom of speech (not that there's anything wrong with those...) The more general issue of online music sales and downloading may be of interest to many of you anyway. I'd appreciate anyone taking the time to fill out answers to the following questions and sending them back *to me privately*, not to the list, please. None of these questions are meant to guilt-trip anyone, and I'm not forwarding this info or any responses to anyone else; it's strictly for my own purposes in planning the release of my own music. In other words, honesty (in this case) is more important than political correctness. Thanks, --Andre ----------------------------------------------------------------- 1) Have you ever downloaded unauthorized MP3 files from the net? 2) Have you ever copied recording onto MP3 and then uploaded the file to the net? 3) If MP3s of a particular song were available for sale online via a secured credit card server, would you be likely to purchase them? What do you feel would be an appropriate price range for a single song (4-6 minutes)? For an entire album (40-76 minutes)? Would you be more inclined to download individual songs or entire albums? 4) If you had the choice between purchasing officially sanctioned MP3s from a commercial site or downloading unauthorized files for free, which would you choose? Why? 5) If you had the choice between purchasing a CD online or purchasing the album in MP3 format online, which would you choose? Why? 6) If you had the option of having MP3s e-mailed to you rather than downloaded directly from a web site, would you be more or less inclined to purchase them? Why? 7) If a web site offered a secure credit card server to process CD purchase transactions, would you be more inclined to purchase the album than if it was only available via mail-order? 8) If you do purchase music online (either as CDs or as downloads), which sites do you frequently visit/purchase from? Please e-mail responses to: altruist@earthlink.net Thanks! From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jul 27 00:25:17 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA17134; Tue, 27 Jul 1999 00:25:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 00:25:17 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <002601bed7e3$f01af880$02585858@timspc> From: "american qabalah" To: References: <5BA4EAE4ACF6D211BC540001FA7EB19629C45D@xcem-casfo-11.wellsfargo.com> Subject: Re: Information superhighway road rage (was Re: old echoplex) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 22:55:58 -0500 X-Priority: 5 X-MSMail-Priority: Low X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: <"PeaYe.0.nr2.irIdt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7116 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com That's okay, it's not the first time one of my jokes wasn't exactly a knee-slapper. Yours Tim ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, July 26, 1999 3:47 PM Subject: RE: Information superhighway road rage (was Re: old echoplex) > It's not the first time. > > Micah > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jul 27 00:38:47 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA20545; Tue, 27 Jul 1999 00:38:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 00:38:47 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Hawkeye255@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 00:07:44 EDT Subject: Re: old echoplex To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Resent-Message-ID: <"6bap8.0.RG3.p3Jdt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7117 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com << However, being a benevolent yet apathetic dictator, I've granted you all the right to say whatever the fuck you want, since I don't care to deal with it. >> In testing what you said above, I think I have the answer: except to tell you when you're wrong? Am I right? I noticed my last post (about the EDP on Harmony Central) did not make it to the list. I sent it last night. Hmmmm. I sleep better at night knowing big brother, Knute, I mean...Rush... I'm sorry, I mean, Kim is in control. Bill 'hawkeye' Reiter From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jul 27 02:59:36 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA07413; Tue, 27 Jul 1999 02:59:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 02:59:36 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <379D56FA.4D9D@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 23:51:39 -0700 From: Andre LaFosse Reply-To: altruist@earthlink.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-MACOS8 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Matt Davignon CC: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: WANTED: Online music responses References: <379D0EDC.4B72@earthlink.net> <379D4C1A.4C2FF461@sfsu.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"R_4BY.0.Fb.k6Ldt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7118 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Matt Davignon wrote: > Well, I'm responding to the group because your questions looked a little > "official" and I don't want to wind up on another unsolicited mailing list. No spam here -- I'm an independent musician/cash register clerk (not always in that order) trying to gather some ideas for how to go about getting his music heard. > I have never paid for an mp3, nor have I downloaded one that the artist > didn't want to be free. There are enough artists who actually want their > music to be heard that the idea of paying for mp3's seems kind of > ridiculous. I do have some doubts about the notion of selling MP3s online. A lot of labels like Rykodisc, Epitaph, TVT, etc are already offering (or about to offer) downloadable songs for sale in conjunction with various providers, but I'm not sure how much of it is a current fad and how much of it has long-term potential. That's part of what my questionaire is designed to help determine. > Most of the musicians I enjoy do what they do to be creative and > to spread musical ideas, not to make money. Hopefully these two things aren't necessarily mutually exclusive. > Right now, there's a wonderful thing that's happening in music right now. > With the internet, mp3 files, and affordable CD burners, the music business > is becoming less of a business. You can go to the Wherehouse or Musicland > and pay $17 for a mediocre CD, or you can find a website where someone is > offering their CD "free-for-trade" and find some music that actually has > some passion to it. I do hope that the change you're talking about doesn't result in people writing off any mainstream retail outlet as a place to find interesting music -- or for that matter, writing off the notion that an artist might want to make some significant income from their work... Thanks for the reply, and sorry for the spam scare. --Andre http://home.earthlink.net/~altruist From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jul 27 03:06:30 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA08693; Tue, 27 Jul 1999 03:06:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 03:06:30 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <379D526D.D800802D@sfsu.edu> Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 23:32:13 -0700 From: Matt Davignon X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: old echoplex References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"w3Bnd2.0.lo.9ALdt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7119 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This reminds me, sometimes when friends my house, sometimes my roommates don't relay the message to me. I never realized that they were impinging on my fellow Americans' rights to free speech. Wait, are they? I don't know, but either way I'm blatantly offended! Even if they gave me all the messages, I'd be offended because they'd be restricting me from complaining about how I don't get them. Lousy Hitler's! I'd burn their house down, but it's also my house. People who make the food I eat are invading my rights too because if I try to talk while I'm swallowing, I'm threatened with death! Hawkeye255@aol.com wrote: > << However, being a benevolent yet apathetic dictator, I've granted you all > the right to say whatever the fuck you want, since I don't care to deal with > it. >> > > In testing what you said above, I think I have the answer: except to tell you > when you're wrong? Am I right? I noticed my last post (about the EDP on > Harmony Central) did not make it to the list. I sent it last night. Hmmmm. > I sleep better at night knowing big brother, Knute, I mean...Rush... I'm > sorry, I mean, Kim is in control. > > Bill 'hawkeye' Reiter From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jul 27 03:10:01 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA09140; Tue, 27 Jul 1999 03:10:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 03:10:01 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Javier Miranda V." To: Subject: RE: AxSys, Rights etc Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 23:32:17 -0700 Message-ID: <001901bed7f9$c5b42a60$381ed1d1@electra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <"4Rbbl2.0.pv.DBLdt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7120 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Touche, mon capitan. Is that a commercial ISP out there or one of your friendly neighbors? | -----Original Message----- | From: Kim Flint [mailto:kflint@annihilist.com] | Sent: Monday 26 July 1999 11:00 AM | To: Loopers-Delight | Subject: Re: AxSys, Rights etc | | | Of course, the list is currently running from a server in Saudi | Arabia, so | none of this matters. ;-) | | kim From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jul 27 03:28:21 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA11204; Tue, 27 Jul 1999 03:28:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 03:28:21 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Javier Miranda V." To: Subject: RE: constitutional rights may not apply in some areas Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 23:44:30 -0700 Message-ID: <001a01bed7fb$7aa13160$381ed1d1@electra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <379D05F9.EB3702EF@sfsu.edu> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <"AR3Fv2.0.AT1.gMLdt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7121 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com He's making a reference to the fact that most Europeans feel they'd be licking nazi boots right now were it not for all those dudes who went through WWII for their butts' sake. You don't actually own them, but they feel like you do. | -----Original Message----- | From: Matt Davignon [mailto:mdavig@sfsu.edu] | Sent: Monday 26 July 1999 6:06 PM | To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com | Subject: Re: constitutional rights may not apply in some areas | | | Which butts are those? | | I didn't know I owned any butts. | | | ld thomson wrote: | | > You Americans sure like to talk about that right to free | speach a lot, and | > seem to use it to excuse any one's opinion or statement no | matter how false, | > hurtfull or just plain silly. Oh well. God bless ya. You | own our butts so | > I may as well get used to hearing about something that | doesn't apply to me. | | From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jul 27 04:20:05 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA15563; Tue, 27 Jul 1999 04:20:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 04:20:05 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <001901bed7f9$c5b42a60$381ed1d1@electra> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 01:14:25 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: RE: AxSys, Rights etc Resent-Message-ID: <"QDHmg3.0._h3.SfMdt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7122 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I moved the list out of Saudi Arabia last night. Too damn many princes there, I couldn't keep track of them all. Looper's Delight is now hosted on a server in one of the few remaining Shining Path guerrilla strongholds in the Peruvian Andes. Assuming Fujimori doesn't blow us up, and nobody on the list criticizes Mao, we should be ok. I'm not sure if we'll all be getting the little red book or not, I'm looking into it. Viva el Sendero Luminoso! * kim *just trying to keep revolutionary guys happy, they seem a bit edgy... At 11:32 PM -0700 7/26/99, Javier Miranda V. wrote: >Touche, mon capitan. Is that a commercial ISP out there or one of your >friendly neighbors? > > | -----Original Message----- > | From: Kim Flint [mailto:kflint@annihilist.com] > | Sent: Monday 26 July 1999 11:00 AM > | To: Loopers-Delight > | Subject: Re: AxSys, Rights etc > | > | > | Of course, the list is currently running from a server in Saudi > | Arabia, so > | none of this matters. ;-) > | > | kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jul 27 04:50:04 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA18320; Tue, 27 Jul 1999 04:50:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 04:50:04 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <379D56FA.4D9D@earthlink.net> References: <379D0EDC.4B72@earthlink.net> <379D4C1A.4C2FF461@sfsu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 01:46:06 -0700 To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: WANTED: Online music responses Resent-Message-ID: <"6Mfsb1.0.7N4.97Ndt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7124 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 11:51 PM -0700 7/26/99, Andre LaFosse wrote: >Matt Davignon wrote: > >> Well, I'm responding to the group because your questions looked a little >> "official" and I don't want to wind up on another unsolicited mailing list. > >No spam here -- I'm an independent musician/cash register clerk (not >always in that order) trying to gather some ideas for how to go about >getting his music heard. Andre's been on the LD list pretty much since it started. He's cool man. Old timers will recall that Andre's ability to tell me I'm wrong exceeds Hawkeye's by about 1000 times, in quantity, quality, and intensity. If he can still post here, anybody can. ;-) >> Most of the musicians I enjoy do what they do to be creative and >> to spread musical ideas, not to make money. > >Hopefully these two things aren't necessarily mutually exclusive. > >> Right now, there's a wonderful thing that's happening in music right now. >> With the internet, mp3 files, and affordable CD burners, the music business >> is becoming less of a business. You can go to the Wherehouse or Musicland >> and pay $17 for a mediocre CD, or you can find a website where someone is >> offering their CD "free-for-trade" and find some music that actually has >> some passion to it. > >I do hope that the change you're talking about doesn't result in people >writing off any mainstream retail outlet as a place to find interesting >music -- or for that matter, writing off the notion that an artist might >want to make some significant income from their work... I don't mind paying for music at all. I vastly prefer that good musicians be able to devote their life to bringing me more good music, without them having to spend large chunks of each day behind the register at Tower Records so they don't starve to death. I think the advantage of the internet and recording tech is I can now much more easily give the musician my money directly in exchange for his/her music, rather than to a lot of middlemen. (in time, the Sendero Luminoso will fix all of this for us!;-) However, I do really enjoy browsing around in Amoeba records. I always end up with great stuff I wasn't really thinking about when I went in. Much more pleasant and social than web surfing by myself. Getting out in the world, seeing people with green mohawks, etc. I hope they don't go the way of the dodo... I think you just need a real music store, Matt. Stay out of those malls, nothing good happens there. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jul 27 04:51:45 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA18596; Tue, 27 Jul 1999 04:51:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 04:51:45 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <379D7536.6484@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 02:00:38 -0700 From: Andre LaFosse Reply-To: altruist@earthlink.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-MACOS8 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: WANTED: Online music responses References: <379D0EDC.4B72@earthlink.net> <379D4C1A.4C2FF461@sfsu.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"pemtJ3.0.pB4.f_Mdt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7123 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Just a quick Netiquitte aside... Matt Davignon wrote: > > Well, I'm responding to the group I haven't yet seen Matt's letter show up via the list; I got his first mail privately, but assumed from his first sentence that it would be going to the list as well, which is why I CC'd the note to the group as well as him. Maybe his note didn't get sent to the list after all? Just wanted to explain where my reply had come from, and/or why I had posted a seemingly private reply to a public list. First spam worries, now apparent privacy invasion... No wonder I don't post much anymore. Sorry for any possible confusion... --Andre PS -- Thanks to all who have replied to the questionaire so far; any others who care to do so over the next few days are more than welcome to. I'll post a summary of the results some time thereafter (some very interesting results thus far...) From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jul 27 05:47:47 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA22821; Tue, 27 Jul 1999 05:47:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 05:47:47 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 02:26:49 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: old echoplex Resent-Message-ID: <"Ib5sQ1.0.1B5.KjNdt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7125 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 9:07 PM -0700 7/26/99, Hawkeye255@aol.com, getting cranky, wrote: ><< However, being a benevolent yet apathetic dictator, I've granted you all >the right to say whatever the fuck you want, since I don't care to deal with >it. >> > >In testing what you said above, I think I have the answer: except to tell you >when you're wrong? Am I right? no, people tell me that I'm wrong here all the time. If I'm not otherwise busy, I happily rebut them publicly, cause I'm never wrong. ;-) My no-censorship policy applies to myself too. >I noticed my last post (about the EDP on >Harmony Central) did not make it to the list. I sent it last night. Hmmmm. >I sleep better at night knowing big brother, Knute, I mean...Rush... I'm >sorry, I mean, Kim is in control. > >Bill 'hawkeye' Reiter Sorry to disappoint, but I didn't touch it. I checked the logs and various other nooks and crannies, there's no sign of any such post (other than the one travis sent.) Are you sure you sent it to the right address? kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jul 27 09:41:33 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA10727; Tue, 27 Jul 1999 09:41:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 09:41:33 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990727130758.42175.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [207.94.67.1] From: "Matt Rowe" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: nord modular as a looping device? Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 06:07:46 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"c8hpb3.0.Um1.ozQdt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7126 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com hi there, has anyone here investigated the nord modular as a looping device? i'm wondering if the delay/sampling modules can be configured in a way such that i can do realtime multitracked looping. and, if so, what are my limitations in terms of loop time, number of loops, etc. tia, matt The price I pay for free, private email is the following commercial message... _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jul 27 09:46:32 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA11398; Tue, 27 Jul 1999 09:46:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 09:46:32 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Phaedebk@aol.com Message-ID: <6db4cb50.24cf0dc8@aol.com> Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 09:27:36 EDT Subject: Re: old opinions of Gear Doing the Work. To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 14 Resent-Message-ID: <"WDwnT.0.wI2.MGRdt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7127 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Have to partially agree with you on this one. There are times where I definitely feel very naked without my E-Bow and various other fiddly bits. On the same token, there are also times wherein a few mistakes made on the Boomerang have really sparked a few ideas and then I've run with them... Now if you start talking about snagging used instruments and getting that vibe for different bits of creativity, well,... I've experienced this, too... Think that it's all a matter of the musician hearing something and then just simply going with the noise. Hope this helps. Lee-ohki. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jul 27 10:25:00 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA16680; Tue, 27 Jul 1999 10:25:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 10:25:00 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <00c701bed837$59b8b270$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: Subject: Re: AxSys, Rights etc Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 08:53:04 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"JopRC.0.uK3.FmRdt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7128 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com You should move the list to Atlantis. It's very nice here and they'll never find you... :) Dennis Leas ----------------------------- dennis@mdbs.com -----Original Message----- From: Kim Flint To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Tuesday, July 27, 1999 3:20 AM Subject: RE: AxSys, Rights etc >I moved the list out of Saudi Arabia last night. Too damn many princes >there, I couldn't keep track of them all. > >Looper's Delight is now hosted on a server in one of the few remaining >Shining Path guerrilla strongholds in the Peruvian Andes. Assuming Fujimori >doesn't blow us up, and nobody on the list criticizes Mao, we should be ok. >I'm not sure if we'll all be getting the little red book or not, I'm >looking into it. Viva el Sendero Luminoso! * > >kim >*just trying to keep revolutionary guys happy, they seem a bit edgy... > >At 11:32 PM -0700 7/26/99, Javier Miranda V. wrote: >>Touche, mon capitan. Is that a commercial ISP out there or one of your >>friendly neighbors? >> >> | -----Original Message----- >> | From: Kim Flint [mailto:kflint@annihilist.com] >> | Sent: Monday 26 July 1999 11:00 AM >> | To: Loopers-Delight >> | Subject: Re: AxSys, Rights etc >> | >> | >> | Of course, the list is currently running from a server in Saudi >> | Arabia, so >> | none of this matters. ;-) >> | >> | kim > > >______________________________________________________________________ >Kim Flint | Looper's Delight >kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html >http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jul 27 10:30:35 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA17627; Tue, 27 Jul 1999 10:30:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 10:30:35 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990727140432.13553.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [209.20.7.10] From: "ld thomson" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: constitutional rights may not apply in some areas Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 07:04:31 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"jJxeN.0.Bj3.qvRdt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7130 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com the butts you got when our brilliant leaders foolishly signed FTA and NAFTA >From: Matt Davignon >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Subject: Re: constitutional rights may not apply in some areas >Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 18:06:01 -0700 > >Which butts are those? > >I didn't know I owned any butts. > > >ld thomson wrote: > > > You Americans sure like to talk about that right to free speach a lot, >and > > seem to use it to excuse any one's opinion or statement no matter how >false, > > hurtfull or just plain silly. Oh well. God bless ya. You own our >butts so > > I may as well get used to hearing about something that doesn't apply to >me. > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jul 27 10:29:28 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA17407; Tue, 27 Jul 1999 10:29:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 10:29:28 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990727140753.33318.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [209.20.7.10] From: "ld thomson" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: constitutional rights may not apply in some areas Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 07:07:52 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"8pacA.0.oZ3.zrRdt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7129 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com huh?? First off I'm not European. Secondly WW2 started in 1939 not 1941. Thirdly, although Steven Speilberg would have you believe otherwise, there were other countries who fought through Europe. Ask someone from Holland who rid them of the SS, and they'll know where I'm from. >From: "Javier Miranda V." >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >To: >Subject: RE: constitutional rights may not apply in some areas >Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 23:44:30 -0700 > >He's making a reference to the fact that most Europeans feel they'd be >licking nazi boots right now were it not for all those dudes who went >through WWII for their butts' sake. You don't actually own them, but they >feel like you do. > > | -----Original Message----- > | From: Matt Davignon [mailto:mdavig@sfsu.edu] > | Sent: Monday 26 July 1999 6:06 PM > | To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > | Subject: Re: constitutional rights may not apply in some areas > | > | > | Which butts are those? > | > | I didn't know I owned any butts. > | > | > | ld thomson wrote: > | > | > You Americans sure like to talk about that right to free > | speach a lot, and > | > seem to use it to excuse any one's opinion or statement no > | matter how false, > | > hurtfull or just plain silly. Oh well. God bless ya. You > | own our butts so > | > I may as well get used to hearing about something that > | doesn't apply to me. > | > | > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jul 27 11:08:56 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA23452; Tue, 27 Jul 1999 11:08:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 11:08:56 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990727144737.29606.rocketmail@web110.yahoomail.com> Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 07:47:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Randy Jones Subject: Re: WANTED: Online music responses To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"tzeFe2.0.A25.WRSdt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7131 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I think you just need a real > music store, Matt. Stay out of > those malls, nothing good happens there. > > kim > Wait just a minute... When I asked the girl at the Music Store in our local mall if she had the "League of Pretentious Guitar Players" album by Robert Fripp, she got all gooey and started a conversation. This ended in a back store bathroom love loop that lasted till she got a job at the local hippie cd resale store that didn't have a place in back. _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jul 27 11:39:10 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA28193; Tue, 27 Jul 1999 11:39:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 11:39:10 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <379DCD9E.35687907@sfsu.edu> Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 08:17:50 -0700 From: Matt Davignon X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: WANTED: Online music responses References: <379D0EDC.4B72@earthlink.net> <379D4C1A.4C2FF461@sfsu.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"1c8qS1.0.F76.htSdt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7132 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Okay, I'm sorry I was paranoid. I guess part of the fear resided in the fact that most of the questions were written in better english than what I'm used to seeing in e-mail. The other part was the dotted line between your letter and the questions, which had me thinking they were written by some one else. Sorry. Looking at the quote of me down there, it doesn't look like I was very polite either. Oops! I'm not really against the idea of making money from your music either, nor do I hold anything against professional musicians. If you're not selling stuff through a record label and paying lots of middle men to distribute your product, it seems pretty steep to charge a retail CD price for a music recording. I think $10 is a good price, and I'm impressed by musicians who sell their music online for less. As for the record store issue, I shop at Amoeba (in San Francisco or Berkeley CA) all the time, I also really enjoy Aquarius Records (in SF). I usually walk out of those record stores carrying a delightful surprise. The reason that I have a grudge against the national chain stores is because a lot of people don't have a really great record store nearby. I think there's more good record stores than there ever was, but for most towns in America, the best selection at a record store is Media Play (which is owned by musicland, I believe). more on this later, I believe, I have to go to work. matt Kim Flint wrote: > At 11:51 PM -0700 7/26/99, Andre LaFosse wrote: > >Matt Davignon wrote: > > > >> Well, I'm responding to the group because your questions looked a little > >> "official" and I don't want to wind up on another unsolicited mailing list. > > > >No spam here -- I'm an independent musician/cash register clerk (not > >always in that order) trying to gather some ideas for how to go about > >getting his music heard. > > Andre's been on the LD list pretty much since it started. He's cool man. > Old timers will recall that Andre's ability to tell me I'm wrong exceeds > Hawkeye's by about 1000 times, in quantity, quality, and intensity. If he > can still post here, anybody can. ;-) > > >> Most of the musicians I enjoy do what they do to be creative and > >> to spread musical ideas, not to make money. > > > >Hopefully these two things aren't necessarily mutually exclusive. > > > >> Right now, there's a wonderful thing that's happening in music right now. > >> With the internet, mp3 files, and affordable CD burners, the music business > >> is becoming less of a business. You can go to the Wherehouse or Musicland > >> and pay $17 for a mediocre CD, or you can find a website where someone is > >> offering their CD "free-for-trade" and find some music that actually has > >> some passion to it. > > > >I do hope that the change you're talking about doesn't result in people > >writing off any mainstream retail outlet as a place to find interesting > >music -- or for that matter, writing off the notion that an artist might > >want to make some significant income from their work... > > I don't mind paying for music at all. I vastly prefer that good musicians > be able to devote their life to bringing me more good music, without them > having to spend large chunks of each day behind the register at Tower > Records so they don't starve to death. I think the advantage of the > internet and recording tech is I can now much more easily give the musician > my money directly in exchange for his/her music, rather than to a lot of > middlemen. (in time, the Sendero Luminoso will fix all of this for us!;-) > > However, I do really enjoy browsing around in Amoeba records. I always end > up with great stuff I wasn't really thinking about when I went in. Much > more pleasant and social than web surfing by myself. Getting out in the > world, seeing people with green mohawks, etc. I hope they don't go the way > of the dodo... I think you just need a real music store, Matt. Stay out of > those malls, nothing good happens there. > > kim > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html > http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jul 27 11:51:21 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA29960; Tue, 27 Jul 1999 11:51:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 11:51:21 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199907271537.IAA43402@scv4.apple.com> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 10:37:27 -0500 Subject: FS: JamMan, 32 sec $650 obo From: "Travis Hartnett" To: "Looper's Delight" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"J87qE3.0.7y6.YBTdt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7133 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com from Harmony Central. 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Seller: Aden Evens, 781 641 1798 E-mail: aden@who.net (Profile) Location: ARLINGTON, MA Post Date: 7/27/99 From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jul 27 11:54:24 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA30354; Tue, 27 Jul 1999 11:54:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 11:54:24 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <4DBD90B2429DD1118B810060B0A4A4AA83DE1D@CST-ABEL> From: Blacha Dominik To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: hello! Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 17:48:57 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"Znw5O.0.657.1FTdt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7134 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com hi I'm new to the list I'm the guitar player mostly using the ebow and the vg-8 and searching for sustainer pickup for my guitar (or the GOOD guitar with the sustainer pickup:) maybe it will be the Fernandes or a some Kramer version I can't find any info about a Maniac Music's sustainiac... best regards dominik blacha From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jul 27 12:23:43 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA01674; Tue, 27 Jul 1999 12:23:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 12:23:43 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Jon Southwood" To: Subject: Re: hello! Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 11:11:03 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <199907271512.2839300@CEDAR-RAPIDS.NET> Resent-Message-ID: <"PU9sG1.0.G8.6gTdt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7135 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > I can't find any info about a Maniac Music's sustainiac... > > best regards > dominik blacha Try http://www.sustainiac.com or: Maniac Music, Inc. 3937 Cranbrook Dr. Indianapolis, IN 46240 phone: 317-587-3235 hoovera@tce.com Cheers, Jon Southwood noj@cedar-rapids.net From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jul 27 12:33:01 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA03020; Tue, 27 Jul 1999 12:33:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 12:33:01 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199907271625.JAA53504@scv4.apple.com> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 11:25:08 -0500 Subject: FS: Echoplex $800 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: "Looper's Delight" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"enxT9.0.VU.KsTdt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7136 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com from Harmony Central. Direct all inquiries to ampdoc@mindspring.com TH *********************** Echoplex Digital Pro Asking Price: US$800 Condition: Mint Age: N/A Description: New still in box. Extremely nice looping and real time recording device. Currently out of production. Seller: Richard Akers, 615-781-6369 E-mail: ampdoc@mindspring.com (Profile) Location: ANTIOCH, TN Post Date: 7/26/99 From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jul 27 13:05:16 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA08286; Tue, 27 Jul 1999 13:05:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 13:05:16 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Loopbozo@aol.com Message-ID: <637cfbe8.24cf3e82@aol.com> Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 12:55:30 EDT Subject: Re: WANTED: Online music responses To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows sub 11 Resent-Message-ID: <"aRjkU2.0.5k1.PJUdt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7137 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 7/27/99 10:08:24 AM EST, ranjones@yahoo.com writes: > > Wait just a minute... > When I asked the girl at the Music Store in our > local mall if she had the "League of Pretentious > Guitar Players" album by Robert Fripp, she got > all gooey and started a conversation. This ended > in a back store bathroom love loop that lasted > till she got a job at the local hippie cd resale > store that didn't have a place in back. > Sexist crap Randy.Let me know if you want your CD autographed. Bryan Helm From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jul 27 13:54:31 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA15573; Tue, 27 Jul 1999 13:54:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 13:54:31 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <00c601bed858$5c480ce0$362a10ac@Douglas> From: "K. Douglas Baldwin" To: "Tim Nelson" , Subject: Re: New looping pedal--Line 6 DL-4 Delay Modeler. Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 13:44:29 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"8DGKy3.0.Ce3.85Vdt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7138 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com All that I would add to my original comment is that I wish these companies would come up with a *blank canvas* approach, rather than a "retro" anything or "future" anything or "Saturnine chakra massage" anything. My fave-rave FX and amps are those which, with a minimum of settings, get the widest range of expression. Dinky smudge-colors from ancient stomp boxes are way cool, to be sure, but give me the wide open nothingness of infinite possibility any day. I also understand that from a marketing standpoint, this approach is really difficult to sell (no one is prepared to buy blank canvases because no one sells blank canvases because no one buys blank canvases....). But this negative-loop reciprocality can be broken if either the buyer or seller chooses not to play the game. -----Original Message----- From: Tim Nelson To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Monday, July 26, 1999 6:54 PM Subject: Re: New looping pedal--Line 6 DL-4 Delay Modeler. >Excellent point, K.Douglas. The only problem I see with it is that "new" >sounds don't stay new for very long. If Line-6 (or Roland, or Korg, >Digitech, etc.) introduced a box o' aluminum locusts (& their Martian >counterparts) it might well become the "flavor of the month" for a little >while, then show up as a glut on eBay. Don't get me wrong; I enjoy warped >stompboxes as much as anyone, and can't wait for the first wave of Space >Station enthusiasts to get bored so I can pick one up for fifty bucks! I >think Line-6's intentions were probably good in putting several popular >retro effects in one package; the real estate around one's feet can get >pretty cluttered. But I do agree with what you've all said about gear >that's too exclusively retro-targeted; it would be great if someone made a >box that offered some of each, a representative, usable selection of both >"classic" sounds and original, futuristic stuff. But then that same suit >would shoot the idea down, because obviously the thing would be so great >that nobody would buy NEXT year's model! > >Tim > >At 12:14 PM 7/26/99 -0400, you wrote: >> >>Knox knocks the nail on the head! Too many clones! With all that >>tone-shaping power you'd think they could make something that could sound >>like a horde of aluminum locusts at dawn in December after a three day 'frop >>binge. I bet the problem is at least partly due to some $-based decision >>about three years ago, when some suit said, "Hey! This retro thing is >>selling big. Let's make our next chip ALL retro." Much easier than using >>some creativity. Then they burned gazillions of retro-friendly chips and now >>they're figuring out how to wrap them in new boxes and make them salable.... >> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jul 27 14:03:14 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA17192; Tue, 27 Jul 1999 14:03:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 14:03:14 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <379DF1CA.5E3F@voicenet.com> Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 13:52:10 -0400 From: Legion X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.02 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: LD CD#1 Available NOW!!! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"J12J2.0.T_3.BDVdt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7139 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com The reissue of the Looper's Delight Subscriber's CD #1 is now available directly from Help Wanted Productions via Mail order. Costs are $12.00 US including shipping anywhere in the United States and $13.00 including shipping to Canada or anywhere else in the world. Proceeds will go to the Looper's Delight Web site to help pay ISP and other costs. Full ordering info (Address, payment methods, etc) can be found at: Http://www.voicenet.com/~legion/catalog.html Print out the order form from the link on this page and put down the name and #'s of CDs you want. Mail it in and you'll get the goods in 2-4 weeks tops! A brief description and link to the LD web page can be found under the Compilation CD section. This release was professionally duplicated with on disc printing and the covers are the full color originals Ray made back when this began. For full info check out the LD web page link at: http://www.annihilist.com/loop/cd1/LDCD1.htm Prefered method of payment is a USPS MO. Checks are accepted but may take longer to process. (PLEASE make sure checks are valid and will not bounce!). CASH is at your own risk. If I get it, I promise you'll get your CDs. All MOs, checks, etc. should be in US funds and made payable to Help Wanted Productions. There are plenty of CDs for everyone who already requested them and more so please send those orders in now and tell your friends. Thanks for all your patience on this project. The CDs look and sound GREAT! Thanks to Ray Peck for starting the whole thing and getting the fantastic covers done as well as Kim Flint and Michael Peters for helping me organize this monster and getting it re-released. There are links galore all over the catalog with info on other music HWP sells, check them out if you so desire. The Web site houses a gallery of unusual instruments and an extensive page of electronic music links to other site, artists, and instruments including a page on the Roland GR300/GR33b guitar synths. If anyone has any questions feel free to contact me and I'll try and help you out. It all free so as AB sings "Dig me but don't bury me". D_ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- HELP WANTED PRODUCTIONS - Http://www.voicenet.com/~legion "Bringing you the best in Organic Electronic music since we started..." Home of the Unusual Instrument and Recording Gallery with pictures and info of Tube recorders, Omnichords, weird guitars, Casios, and more. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jul 27 14:05:52 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA17657; Tue, 27 Jul 1999 14:05:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 14:05:52 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199907271758.KAA42554@scv4.apple.com> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 12:58:58 -0500 Subject: Re: New looping pedal--Line 6 DL-4 Delay Modeler. From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"lARqy1.0.f24.GEVdt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7140 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Well, you can always zero all the presets on an effects box and start from zero... TH ---------- >From: "K. Douglas Baldwin" >To: Tim Nelson , Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Subject: Re: New looping pedal--Line 6 DL-4 Delay Modeler. >Date: Tue, Jul 27, 1999, 12:44 PM > > All that I would add to my original comment is that I wish these > companies would come up with a *blank canvas* approach, rather than a > "retro" anything or "future" anything or "Saturnine chakra massage" > anything. My fave-rave FX and amps are those which, with a minimum of > settings, get the widest range of expression. Dinky smudge-colors from > ancient stomp boxes are way cool, to be sure, but give me the wide open > nothingness of infinite possibility any day. I also understand that from a > marketing standpoint, this approach is really difficult to sell (no one is > prepared to buy blank canvases because no one sells blank canvases because > no one buys blank canvases....). But this negative-loop reciprocality can be > broken if either the buyer or seller chooses not to play the game. > -----Original Message----- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jul 27 14:25:38 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA20539; Tue, 27 Jul 1999 14:25:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 14:25:38 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Dpcoffin@aol.com Message-ID: <19b742f2.24cf50cc@aol.com> Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 14:13:32 EDT Subject: Re: Re: New looping pedal--Line 6 DL-4 Delay Modeler. To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Mac sub 85 Resent-Message-ID: <"3jN_73.0.wd4.VSVdt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7141 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 7/27/99 12:04:28 AM, you wrote: <> There are boxes like this all over the place! Any of ya'll grousers actually HEARD this buncha Line6 pedals? It doesn't take much of a tweak to make something new out of most fx, and all the Line6 gear I've explored has at least a few "new-ish" things, like the swell delay on the Pod. Seems to me that the degree of innovation in musical gear is about equivalent to the amount of innovation in music making: Things mostly stay the same, money is king, imitation is the rule, and success often doesn't reward creativity....but there are plenty of cool little exceptions in both realms for those looking for them. I can't think of any time in my 30+ years of keeping an eye on musical "toys" that was as filled with options and variety as the Golden Age of Signal Processing for Pennies that we're now enjoying. dpc From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jul 27 14:39:00 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA22423; Tue, 27 Jul 1999 14:39:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 14:39:00 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Fmplautus@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 14:32:48 EDT Subject: Re: Re: New looping pedal--Line 6 DL-4 Delay Modeler. To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 56 Resent-Message-ID: <"RwBtg2.0.OJ5.gkVdt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7142 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com "I can't think of any time in my 30+ years of keeping an eye on musical "toys" that was as filled with options and variety as the Golden Age of Signal Processing for Pennies that we're now enjoying. dpc" This is about the smartest thing I've read here in the last week. There are INCREDIBLE tools being made available at cheap, cheap, cheap prices. Currently THE ROCKTOLOGISTS are testing out the Zoom 3100...three independent five second loopers, plus all those sicko zoom noises in one cheap, cheap, cheap little floor pedal. We are also playing with POLAR intedgrated with Digitial Performer 2.6 (hands on report soon to come). Now Performer ain't cheap, cheap, cheap, but it's very interesting that this is being offered as part of the DP package. Ram based software loopers that are plug and play obviously are going to be offerered over the net as software. We love that you can drop and loop now via a powerbook. Kim and Matthias is it time to go into the .com biz maybe? Would love to help you guys get rich by providing feedback on your next piece of downloadable software. By the way the LOOPDOCTORS are dead, but have your ears been examined by... THE ROCKTOLOGISTS? From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jul 27 14:52:34 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA24417; Tue, 27 Jul 1999 14:52:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 14:52:34 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <005b01bed85f$4eae6fa0$bfc5aec7@default> From: "Alan Imberg" To: References: <379D0EDC.4B72@earthlink.net> <379D4C1A.4C2FF461@sfsu.edu> <379DCD9E.35687907@sfsu.edu> Subject: Re: WANTED: Online music responses Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 11:39:01 -0700 Organization: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Resent-Message-ID: <"tOe3J.0.Zd5.8tVdt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7143 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com It is my hope that the availability of online music will put a fire under conventional retail outlets to make it more enticing to go to the corner retail music store. I love places like Amoeba in Berkeley. It's a 20 minute drive for me but its worth the trip because I can find the esoteric stuff I love and can't find at the crappy Vallejo Wherehouse. Of course, most of my weird musical cravings can be satisfied by shopping online and I do avail myself to these outlets often. However, there is still something wonderful about milling through the bins looking for that rare find or bargain price and I'm fortunate to live in a metropolitan area that has cool outlets. Conversely, much of my family live in rural Oklahoma and only have Wal-mart or Sam Goody to rely on for their retail music needs (try finding a David Torn CD in one of those places). My family give thanks everyday for online music outlets. > As for the record store issue, I shop at Amoeba (in San Francisco or Berkeley CA) > all the time, I also really enjoy Aquarius Records (in SF). I usually walk out of > those record stores carrying a delightful surprise. The reason that I have a > grudge against the national chain stores is because a lot of people don't have a > really great record store nearby. I think there's more good record stores than > there ever was, but for most towns in America, the best selection at a record > store is Media Play (which is owned by musicland, I believe). > > more on this later, I believe, I have to go to work. > > matt > > Kim Flint wrote: > > > At 11:51 PM -0700 7/26/99, Andre LaFosse wrote: > > >Matt Davignon wrote: > > > > > >> Well, I'm responding to the group because your questions looked a little > > >> "official" and I don't want to wind up on another unsolicited mailing list. > > > > > >No spam here -- I'm an independent musician/cash register clerk (not > > >always in that order) trying to gather some ideas for how to go about > > >getting his music heard. > > > > Andre's been on the LD list pretty much since it started. He's cool man. > > Old timers will recall that Andre's ability to tell me I'm wrong exceeds > > Hawkeye's by about 1000 times, in quantity, quality, and intensity. If he > > can still post here, anybody can. ;-) > > > > >> Most of the musicians I enjoy do what they do to be creative and > > >> to spread musical ideas, not to make money. > > > > > >Hopefully these two things aren't necessarily mutually exclusive. > > > > > >> Right now, there's a wonderful thing that's happening in music right now. > > >> With the internet, mp3 files, and affordable CD burners, the music business > > >> is becoming less of a business. You can go to the Wherehouse or Musicland > > >> and pay $17 for a mediocre CD, or you can find a website where someone is > > >> offering their CD "free-for-trade" and find some music that actually has > > >> some passion to it. > > > > > >I do hope that the change you're talking about doesn't result in people > > >writing off any mainstream retail outlet as a place to find interesting > > >music -- or for that matter, writing off the notion that an artist might > > >want to make some significant income from their work... > > > > I don't mind paying for music at all. I vastly prefer that good musicians > > be able to devote their life to bringing me more good music, without them > > having to spend large chunks of each day behind the register at Tower > > Records so they don't starve to death. I think the advantage of the > > internet and recording tech is I can now much more easily give the musician > > my money directly in exchange for his/her music, rather than to a lot of > > middlemen. (in time, the Sendero Luminoso will fix all of this for us!;-) > > > > However, I do really enjoy browsing around in Amoeba records. I always end > > up with great stuff I wasn't really thinking about when I went in. Much > > more pleasant and social than web surfing by myself. Getting out in the > > world, seeing people with green mohawks, etc. I hope they don't go the way > > of the dodo... I think you just need a real music store, Matt. Stay out of > > those malls, nothing good happens there. > > > > kim > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > > kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html > > http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jul 27 15:32:21 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA31215; Tue, 27 Jul 1999 15:32:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 15:32:21 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <379E0424.4F7BFF74@vtx.ch> Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 21:10:28 +0200 From: Claude Voit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: fr,en-US,fr-BE,en-GB MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight Subject: Re: Re: New looping pedal--Line 6 DL-4 Delay Modeler. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"XzFzD3.0.Gt6.8KWdt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7144 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I cut that out of rec.audio.pro read on Claude -------- Original Message -------- From: "Lyle Caldwell" Subject: NAMM Stuff Newsgroups: rec.audio.pro I won't bore you all with details (Mike does that much better than I - ), but I saw a few really cool thingeys at NAMM I thought you guys/gals might be interested in. First, Line 6 (bear with me) has two great stompboxes coming out later this year that should have potential far and above their guitar-oriented origins. One does echoes/delays/phrase sampling, and the other does modulation effects (Leslie, chorus, Univibe, etc). Both are digital, but use "modelling" (I know, that's this year's buzzword) to emulate well-known devices. As biased as I am against Line 6 (I hate their amps and the Pod), these new toys sound just unbelievably great. Really. The Echoplexes (solid state and tube) are simply the most convincing I have ever head save for a real Echoplex in good condition. You can even do all the Page tricks where you speed up/slow down the speed while playing. Great Space Echo, too, and the slapback is perfect. I could go on, but it's amazingly great sounding, has 4 presets available at a time, tap tempo, and an expression pedal that brings the unit alive. The modulation box is just as good, with stellar Leslie, Uni Vibe, and thick chorusing. Again, 4 presets and an expression pedal. About $280 for each, true stereo, true bypass. Check them out. SNIPSNIPSNIP and in a later message same subject "Lyle Caldwell" added: >> Cost. Most guitarists won't pay that much. Anyway, the Line 6 delay box does up to 14 seconds of sampling. That's enough to get a pretty cool phrase in. And it lets you modify the sample on playback, changing pitch and time with the CC pedal. You can also retrigger the sample, so that it starts again whenever you want, so you can change the phrasing. You can also turn off the sample and then retrigger it later in the song. But you're right, the built-in 128MB sampler would be tres cool. "Lyle Caldwell" -- Lyle Caldwell Psionic Music Composer, Producer, Arranger caldwell@bellsouth.net From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jul 27 16:01:23 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA04663; Tue, 27 Jul 1999 16:01:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 16:01:23 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990727195445.14252.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [209.20.2.108] From: "ld thomson" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: hello! Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 12:54:45 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"n-BR_2.0.Ov.AxWdt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7145 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hello. Welcome to the ranters delight. I'm thinking about buying an ebow. do you use a volume pedal with it? Any pointers on Ebow use?? Also, where abouts are you located? regards Lorne Thomson Toronto, Canada >From: Blacha Dominik >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" >Subject: hello! >Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 17:48:57 +0200 > >hi > >I'm new to the list >I'm the guitar player >mostly using the ebow and the vg-8 >and searching for sustainer pickup for my guitar >(or the GOOD guitar with the sustainer pickup:) >maybe it will be the Fernandes or a some Kramer version >I can't find any info about a Maniac Music's sustainiac... > >best regards >dominik blacha > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jul 27 17:45:27 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA21692; Tue, 27 Jul 1999 17:45:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 17:45:27 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990727174543.007a2720@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 17:45:43 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Re: New looping pedal--Line 6 DL-4 Delay Modeler. In-Reply-To: <19b742f2.24cf50cc@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"wuXMI.0.925.iQYdt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7146 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Actually, given that soon after this thread started the overall tone was "F*ck Line-6!" (a verbatim quote; well, except for the asterisk...), I thought I was sticking up for them! More power to ANYONE who wants to market a useful tool, whether it's something new and revolutionary, or something to simplify setup by consolidating the functions of a lot of the old stuff everyone likes to have in their pedalboards, or (ideally) something that does BOTH. Tim At 02:13 PM 7/27/99 EDT, you wrote: > >In a message dated 7/27/99 12:04:28 AM, you wrote: > ><box that offered some of each, a representative, usable selection of both >"classic" sounds and original, futuristic stuff.>> > >There are boxes like this all over the place! >Any of ya'll grousers actually HEARD this buncha Line6 pedals?... From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jul 27 19:12:00 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA01163; Tue, 27 Jul 1999 19:12:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 19:12:00 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <002101bed87d$b3e51900$02585858@timspc> From: "american qabalah" To: References: <199907271758.KAA42554@scv4.apple.com> Subject: Re: New looping pedal--Line 6 DL-4 Delay Modeler (RANT) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 17:16:31 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: <"bZaLd.0.WI6.dzYdt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7147 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I agree with Travis Hartnett. Get agreat effects rig and then turn off all the settings if you want to but I disagree with the idea that you have more possibility with less tools. However I sympathize with the original poster, if what he's saying is what I think he's saying. Not that I am a philistine but the complex equipment is so complicated and user-unfriendly that you quickly get bored and your eyes gloss over from information blackout trying to play with 5,000,000,000,000 different settings come up with something of your own that sounds as good as the presets. And like Mr. Baldwin, I sort of resent having to turn on "Dr. Feelgood Retro Give Peace A Chance Chakralove Wavy Gravy Cherry Garcia Tripping Daisymania" or "Satrianian Spacesurfer Shred-O-Matic Delicate Yet Manly Yet Educated Ding Dong Dive Bomborama" or "Cliffs Of Dover Ozone Moonchild Floating Diatonic Technocolor Virgotones no. 23" or "Adrian Belew is 10,000 Times Better Than You Will Ever Live To Be Lone Rhinos Mating At The Orpheum July 1992" or "Deathreich Satanocarnage Crucifascist Wife-raping Paingasm Meat Grinderfleshcorpseblitzmacht" and rely on something somebody else came up with. It's like the manufacturer is saying, "hey, you suck, and because you suck, we're giving you some settings that actual smart people came up with because you suck so much, so live with it, because if you try to come up with your own setting on *this* equipment you better have a hexadecimal calculator and brush up on your differential calculus, moron, or your guitar is going to sound like a manatee in heat on AM radio and everyone's going to KNOW you suck." Of course, I'm way lazy. Besides, no man is an island, is she? We get by with a little help from our friends. But until I can find where I put my statistical mechanics book and get two- or three-hundred hours of free time, I am with K. Douglas Baldwin: give me the damn stomp box with the one damn button and the damn amplifier with the three damn knobs. And I'll stomp and twist to my ignorant little heart's content. Sorry for ranting. Tim P.S. My apologies to anyone who is going for a manatees-in-heat-on-AM-radio sound. You called my bluff: I envy you. ----- Original Message ----- From: Travis Hartnett To: Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 1999 12:58 PM Subject: Re: New looping pedal--Line 6 DL-4 Delay Modeler. > Well, you can always zero all the presets on an effects box and start from > zero... > > TH > > ---------- > >From: "K. Douglas Baldwin" > >To: Tim Nelson , Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > >Subject: Re: New looping pedal--Line 6 DL-4 Delay Modeler. > >Date: Tue, Jul 27, 1999, 12:44 PM > > > > > All that I would add to my original comment is that I wish these > > companies would come up with a *blank canvas* approach, rather than a > > "retro" anything or "future" anything or "Saturnine chakra massage" > > anything. My fave-rave FX and amps are those which, with a minimum of > > settings, get the widest range of expression. Dinky smudge-colors from > > ancient stomp boxes are way cool, to be sure, but give me the wide open > > nothingness of infinite possibility any day. I also understand that from a > > marketing standpoint, this approach is really difficult to sell (no one is > > prepared to buy blank canvases because no one sells blank canvases because > > no one buys blank canvases....). But this negative-loop reciprocality can be > > broken if either the buyer or seller chooses not to play the game. > > -----Original Message----- > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jul 27 19:47:04 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA06019; Tue, 27 Jul 1999 19:47:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 19:47:04 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990727232300.1657.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [209.20.2.114] From: "ld thomson" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: preset nightmares (RANT) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 16:22:58 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"VX99D3.0.8j.P-Zdt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7149 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com My effects rig is so low tech that I haven't had this problem however.. Using the Roland Groovebox MC303 (the first one) has been nightmare for similar reasons. You have 50 patterns that are yours to fill. The machine has about 500 patterns, 468 which are totally cheesey crap. After you've got about 15 really cool patterns of your own programmed in...you get the DREADED ERROR 6... which means out of memory. There is no way (after pestering the hell out of Roland and sending many emails) it seems to clear any precious memory or dump all the useless fart-o-rama loops off it to make room for cool stuff you write. Why? Because you see these loops were writen by "professional DJ's" and their ideas are of course way better than yours or mine. They even list name credits for these loops!! Man, I'd put somebody I hate's name on it if I was the creator of any of that paff. Ultimately Roland's answer was for me to buy the MC505. Hey I'm ranting again. Didn't Kim say that was okay. >From: "american qabalah" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >To: >Subject: Re: New looping pedal--Line 6 DL-4 Delay Modeler (RANT) >Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 17:16:31 -0500 > >I agree with Travis Hartnett. Get agreat effects rig and then turn off all >the settings if you want to but I disagree with the idea that you have more >possibility with less tools. > >However I sympathize with the original poster, if what he's saying is what >I >think he's saying. Not that I am a philistine but the complex equipment is >so >complicated and user-unfriendly that you quickly get bored and your eyes >gloss >over from information blackout trying to play with 5,000,000,000,000 >different >settings come up with something of your own that sounds as good as the >presets. And like Mr. Baldwin, I sort of resent having to turn on > >"Dr. Feelgood Retro Give Peace A Chance Chakralove Wavy Gravy Cherry Garcia >Tripping Daisymania" > >or > >"Satrianian Spacesurfer Shred-O-Matic Delicate Yet Manly Yet Educated Ding >Dong Dive Bomborama" > >or > >"Cliffs Of Dover Ozone Moonchild Floating Diatonic Technocolor Virgotones >no. >23" > >or > >"Adrian Belew is 10,000 Times Better Than You Will Ever Live To Be Lone >Rhinos >Mating At The Orpheum July 1992" > >or > >"Deathreich Satanocarnage Crucifascist Wife-raping Paingasm Meat >Grinderfleshcorpseblitzmacht" > >and rely on something somebody else came up with. It's like the >manufacturer >is saying, "hey, you suck, and because you suck, we're giving you some >settings that actual smart people came up with because you suck so much, so >live with it, because if you try to come up with your own setting on *this* >equipment you better have a hexadecimal calculator and brush up on your >differential calculus, moron, or your guitar is going to sound like a >manatee >in heat on AM radio and everyone's going to KNOW you suck." > >Of course, I'm way lazy. Besides, no man is an island, is she? We get by >with a little help from our friends. But until I can find where I put my >statistical mechanics book and get two- or three-hundred hours of free >time, I >am with K. Douglas Baldwin: give me the damn stomp box with the one damn >button and the damn amplifier with the three damn knobs. And I'll stomp >and >twist to my ignorant little heart's content. > >Sorry for ranting. >Tim > >P.S. >My apologies to anyone who is going for a manatees-in-heat-on-AM-radio >sound. >You called my bluff: I envy you. > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Travis Hartnett >To: >Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 1999 12:58 PM >Subject: Re: New looping pedal--Line 6 DL-4 Delay Modeler. > > > > Well, you can always zero all the presets on an effects box and start >from > > zero... > > > > TH > > > > ---------- > > >From: "K. Douglas Baldwin" > > >To: Tim Nelson , Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > > >Subject: Re: New looping pedal--Line 6 DL-4 Delay Modeler. > > >Date: Tue, Jul 27, 1999, 12:44 PM > > > > > > > > All that I would add to my original comment is that I wish these > > > companies would come up with a *blank canvas* approach, rather than a > > > "retro" anything or "future" anything or "Saturnine chakra massage" > > > anything. My fave-rave FX and amps are those which, with a minimum of > > > settings, get the widest range of expression. Dinky smudge-colors from > > > ancient stomp boxes are way cool, to be sure, but give me the wide >open > > > nothingness of infinite possibility any day. I also understand that >from a > > > marketing standpoint, this approach is really difficult to sell (no >one is > > > prepared to buy blank canvases because no one sells blank canvases >because > > > no one buys blank canvases....). But this negative-loop reciprocality >can >be > > > broken if either the buyer or seller chooses not to play the game. > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jul 27 19:55:24 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA07076; Tue, 27 Jul 1999 19:55:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 19:55:24 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 19:11:41 EDT Subject: Re: New looping pedal--Line 6 DL-4 Delay Modeler. To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 21 Resent-Message-ID: <"wF7eH2.0.iP.arZdt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7148 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 7/27/99 5:38:44 PM Mid-Atlantic Daylight Time, Fmplautus@aol.com writes: << By the way the LOOPDOCTORS are dead, but have your ears been examined by... THE ROCKTOLOGISTS? >> bring it on!...................michael From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jul 27 20:12:01 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA09230; Tue, 27 Jul 1999 20:12:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 20:12:01 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <379E407E.ADA6C4AC@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 16:28:03 -0700 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: hello! References: <19990727195445.14252.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"TjEKN.0.Nn.H0adt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7150 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com ld thomson wrote: > Hello. > Welcome to the ranters delight. > I'm thinking about buying an ebow. do you use a volume pedal with it? > Any pointers on Ebow use?? thought i would jump in here (any excuse to rant). don't need a volume pedal w/ an ebow, 'cause moving the device over your pickup controls volume (fauz-volume pedal effect? er, ntbc w/ fuzz/volume). get one, and the rest will follow. but be patient with yourself, as there is a slight learning curve to getting decent control over the thing (thus said, some of my best ebow sounds have been those bad out of control ones...) lance g. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jul 27 20:53:43 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA14645; Tue, 27 Jul 1999 20:53:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 20:53:43 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <610aeec3.24cfa077@aol.com> Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 19:53:27 EDT Subject: Re: New looping pedal--Line 6 DL-4 Delay Modeler (RANT) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 21 Resent-Message-ID: <"yo60f2.0.3j1.-Qadt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7151 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 7/27/99 10:11:39 PM Mid-Atlantic Daylight Time, american@qabalah.com writes: << Sorry for ranting. Tim >> tim.....rant on, ya killed me........:)........michael From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jul 27 21:09:30 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA16566; Tue, 27 Jul 1999 21:09:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 21:09:30 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <379DC750.23B@bellsouth.net> Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 07:50:56 -0700 From: Theodore Reply-To: norat@bellsouth.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: FS: Echoplex $800 References: <199907271625.JAA53504@scv4.apple.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"4m3iI1.0.gH3.58bdt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7152 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi! im interested in buying the unit. how much memory does it have now? let me know if you still have it ASAP and we can finalize the details. RN Travis Hartnett wrote: > > from Harmony Central. Direct all inquiries to ampdoc@mindspring.com > > TH > > *********************** > > Echoplex Digital Pro > > Asking Price: US$800 > Condition: Mint > Age: N/A > Description: > > New still in box. Extremely nice looping and real time recording > device. Currently out of production. > > Seller: Richard Akers, 615-781-6369 > E-mail: ampdoc@mindspring.com (Profile) > Location: ANTIOCH, TN > Post Date: 7/26/99 From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jul 27 22:28:30 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA28333; Tue, 27 Jul 1999 22:28:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 22:28:30 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990728021016.29363.rocketmail@web125.yahoomail.com> Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 19:10:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Randy Jones Subject: Re: WANTED: Online music responses To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"fXU2I3.0.lL6.iQcdt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7153 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com --- > Sexist crap Randy.Let me know if you want > your CD autographed. > > Bryan > Helm > > > Wow, Golly Bryan, do you think you could do that for me, really!!! Randy _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jul 28 01:12:03 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA20193; Wed, 28 Jul 1999 01:12:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 01:12:03 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Loopbozo@aol.com Message-ID: <112e0d9f.24cfe531@aol.com> Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 00:46:41 EDT Subject: Re: WANTED: Online music responses To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows sub 11 Resent-Message-ID: <"rR0Hj3.0.TF4.6kedt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7154 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Randy..the short answer is no. Bryan From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jul 28 04:03:01 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA09304; Wed, 28 Jul 1999 04:03:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 04:03:01 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 03:57:07 -0400 From: Andreas Willers Subject: Re: New looping pedal--Line 6 DL-4 Delay Modeler. Sender: Andreas Willers To: "INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Message-ID: <199907280357_MC2-7E96-A13F@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by rosy.yourwebhost.com id DAA08764 Resent-Message-ID: <"uI3cL1.0.I92.qWhdt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7155 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com -------------------- Begin Original Message -------------------- Message text written by INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com "Well, you can always zero all the presets on an effects box and start from zero... TH " -------------------- End Original Message -------------------- Trouble is, you simply can't start from scratch with the units they sell today. I think that only one digital box on the market today (some Eventide top-of-the-line-thing) let's you create your OWN ALGORITHMS to start with. The software is written with the average consumer in mind and is very limited in terms of individuality and inventiveness. Almost any guitarist could easily modify a stock Telecaster to suit his basic needs quite well without too much time/effort involved. Even amps can be tuned and twisted. Ever tried to have a digital effect modified? It's still stone-age stuff we are dealing with here... Best, Andreas From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jul 28 04:22:14 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA10948; Wed, 28 Jul 1999 04:22:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 04:22:14 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990728081122.97937.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [216.160.65.180] From: "Greg S" To: Subject: EDP Upgrade/Midi question Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 01:10:20 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0043_01BED895.F6651920" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: <"k6CX4.0.pS2.2khdt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7156 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0043_01BED895.F6651920 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Kim, I'm wondering if the upgrade mentioned on: http://www.annihilist.com/loop/tools/echoplex/echopedals.html will materialize in the next release. It's the one where the EDP = functions will react to midi program change messages in addition to = note-on messages. I'm realizing my Digital Music Corp. Ground Control = unit won't quite replace my EFC-7 just yet. Snippet from the page: "The simplest pedals can only send program change messages. These are ok = for changing programs on simple effects boxes, but they're not much use = on devices with more sophisticated control interfaces like synthesizers, = recording gear, or the Echoplex. If you have such a pedal, you may = eventually be in luck. If the planned software upgrade ever comes out, = it will include support for midi program changes to control some of the = Echoplex's functions. It'll still be limited, but at least it will work. = This upgrade will extend the Echoplex's midi implementation in other = ways as well." ....trying to clean-up some floor space..... 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will materialize in the next = release.  It's=20 the one where the EDP functions will react to midi program change = messages in=20 addition to note-on messages.  I'm realizing my Digital Music Corp. = Ground=20 Control unit won't quite replace my EFC-7 just yet.
 
 
Snippet from the page:
"The simplest pedals can only send = program change=20 messages. These are ok for changing programs on simple effects boxes, = but=20 they're not much use on devices with more sophisticated control = interfaces like=20 synthesizers, recording gear, or the Echoplex. If you have such a pedal, = you may=20 eventually be in luck. If the planned software upgrade ever comes out, = it will=20 include support for midi program changes to control some of the = Echoplex's=20 functions. It'll still be limited, but at least it will work. This = upgrade will=20 extend the Echoplex's midi implementation in other ways as = well."
 
....trying to clean-up some floor=20 space.....
Greg
------=_NextPart_000_0043_01BED895.F6651920-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jul 28 04:19:44 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA10723; Wed, 28 Jul 1999 04:19:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 04:19:44 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Reply-To: "m.hughes" From: "Michael P. Hughes, PhD" To: Loopers-Delight Subject: Preset overload Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 09:13:17 -0700 Message-ID: <006001bed914$1a473480$acb6e383@me-biopc-22.mech.surrey.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <199907280014.UAA09669@rosy.yourwebhost.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <"5UxPV1.0.vU2.tlhdt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7157 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com D_: > The reissue of the Looper's Delight Subscriber's CD #1 is now available > directly from Help Wanted Productions via Mail order. Could someone put this on the WWWPage? Tim: > I agree with Travis Hartnett. Get agreat effects rig and then turn off all > the settings if you want to but I disagree with the idea that you have more > possibility with less tools. This little dilemma has had me pondering for years, sending me into a trap from which I am only just emerging now. I love playing through a great amp, with nothing more than the onboard reverb and a delay pedal, maybe a volume pedal too. A single channel amp like the Boogie Subway can do it all; from jazzy clean to raucous, infinitely-sustaining rock purely by adjusting one's picking style. Or taking another axample, like keyboard instruments; the piano is probably the most versatile instrument ever (bugger to carry though). It'll do jazz, it'll do blues, rock, classical, and I personally think it's got THE funkiest bass sound ever. Nowadays, it's one of 256 presets on your Yamaha WD-YTRVFFD113 Groove-o-rama. I'm sure that piano on the Yam sounds as good as a Steinway, but because the user has so much choice, they're far less likely to spend the requisite amount of time getting "inside" the sound. Great sounds are the easy way out, instead of technique and musical depth. Back to my dilemma. Of course, I love playing around with FX and I love all the great records with lost of effects on them. But I've been terrified of getting a big FX unit because the notion of having 100 sounds available on-tab scares me, it really does. Which should I choose? Will I know how to get the best out of it? Will I even remember where they all are? This has stopped me ploughing any of my meagre resources into either device (amp or processor) until I resolved which route to take. This has taken years. I've finally gotten out of this by a little research, and a little pact with myself. The Boss GT-5 multiFX has goodness-knows how many available memory slots, but the footswitches organise it into 5 banks of 5 presets, and you have to manually push a button to switch between different groups of these 25 presets. So what I'm going to do is make a pact with myself to restrict my programming to ONLY the first 25 slots. A bank of clean, a bank of distorted, a bank of other instruments (bass, hammond-ish), a bank of wierd etc. That way I can get inside all the voices, and avoid just using FX just for special effects - which is dangerous, because once one has been used it loses its effect (no pun intended) for the rest of the gig. I'm leaving the option of adding a Boogie Subway into the rig at a later date - the preamp will go into the FX loop of the Boss. So ironically, this lush, controllable tone _will_ just end up as one more voice in a bank of hundreds.... > Besides, no man is an island, is she? Paul Simon was! Mike PS I nearly replied to the comments about the US, Europe and WWII, but held back - there is off message, and there is RIGHT off message, and this is really NOT the forum for this kind of discussion. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jul 28 04:48:01 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA13360; Wed, 28 Jul 1999 04:48:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 04:48:01 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <4.1.19990728033541.009f5da0@mail.winternet.com> X-Sender: r4c@mail.winternet.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 03:44:17 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: "L. Stafford" Subject: Innovation in music technology (was Re: New looping pedal--Line 6 DL-4 Delay Modeler.) In-Reply-To: <199907280357_MC2-7E96-A13F@compuserve.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"daK0T.0._33.w7idt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7158 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com These are things that open architechture software based synths excel at. Currently, if you want to "roll your own" devices there are quite a few exceedingly powerful options out there (Native Instrument's Reaktor, Kyma, Creamware's SCOPE system, and many more) With the availability of cheap, general purpose DSP chips, I hope we will see more standalone hardware systems which are programmable via computer software. One thing that hasn't been mentioned in this thread is that with massive flexibility comes a certain necessary complexity and learning curve. Your "average" consumer of music gear is most likely not willing to devote a lot of time to learning complex but powerful systems. It seems to me the best approach is something along the lines that Native Instruments has taken of providing complexity in "layers" where you can string together prebuilt modules or if you so desire can get at the "nuts and bolts" aspect of sound generation and processing. Lorren At 03:57 AM 7/28/99 -0400, you wrote: > >Trouble is, you simply can't start from scratch with the units they sell >today. I think that only one digital box on the market today (some Eventide >top-of-the-line-thing) let's you create your OWN ALGORITHMS to start with. >The software is written with the average consumer in mind and is very >limited in terms of individuality and inventiveness. > >Almost any guitarist could easily modify a stock Telecaster to suit his >basic needs quite well without too much time/effort involved. Even amps can >be tuned and twisted. Ever tried to have a digital effect modified? It's >still stone-age stuff we are dealing with here... > >Best, Andreas L. Stafford Richard For Cerebellum / A Most Happy Sound http://www.winternet.com/~r4c From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jul 28 09:09:57 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA06702; Wed, 28 Jul 1999 09:09:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 09:09:57 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19990728090056.0095f080@unix01.voicenet.com> X-Sender: floyd@unix01.voicenet.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 09:01:30 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Floyd Miller Subject: Re: EDP Upgrade/Midi question In-Reply-To: <19990728081122.97937.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"2dfeV.0.9L1.vyldt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7159 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com your font too small. please use plain text, with no html or other styles for mailing list. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jul 28 10:27:04 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA18347; Wed, 28 Jul 1999 10:27:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 10:27:04 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <379E5185.AFEF0339@lucent.com> Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 20:40:37 -0400 From: Bill Fox Reply-To: billfox@lucent.com, or@lucent.com, wbf@aloft.micro.lucent.com Organization: Lucent Technologies Microelectronics X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: LD CD#1 Available NOW!!! References: <199907280015.UAA09747@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"2SX1Z.0.od3.Hrmdt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7161 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Loopers-Delight-d-request@annihilist.com wrote: > Loopers-Delight-d Digest Volume 99 : Issue 297 > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Subject: LD CD#1 Available NOW!!! > From: Legion > > The reissue of the Looper's Delight Subscriber's CD #1 is now available > directly from Help Wanted Productions via Mail order. I paid a quick visit to the site. Electronic Music Project is a cool disk I've played on my show a few times to be sure. (Some of the people on that CD hang/hung out at Analogue Heaven.) There are other CDs at this site which look like they might be tasty, too. BTW, is there a policy on providing LD CD#1 to radio stations or DJs? -- Bill >>> home: billfox@fast.net <<< work: billfox@lucent.com ============================================================================== Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. Email me if you wish to submit music for airplay consideration. ============================================================================== The radio station: http://www.wdiyfm.org My radio show: http://www.wdiyfm.org/schedule/s_emusic.html My band's site: http://www.crosswinds.net/~shadowplay ============================================================================== From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jul 28 10:33:39 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA19580; Wed, 28 Jul 1999 10:33:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 10:33:39 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <379E54ED.BD8EB935@lucent.com> Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 20:55:09 -0400 From: Bill Fox Reply-To: billfox@lucent.com, or@lucent.com, wbf@aloft.micro.lucent.com Organization: Lucent Technologies Microelectronics X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V99 #297 References: <199907280015.UAA09747@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"OUU9e2.0.7e3.Irmdt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7162 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Loopers-Delight-d-request@annihilist.com wrote: > Loopers-Delight-d Digest Volume 99 : Issue 297 > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Subject: Re: New looping pedal--Line 6 DL-4 Delay Modeler. > From: "K. Douglas Baldwin" > All that I would add to my original comment is that I wish these > companies would come up with a *blank canvas* approach, rather than a > -----Original Message----- > From: Tim Nelson > >Excellent point, K.Douglas. The only problem I see with it is that "new" > >sounds don't stay new for very long. If Line-6 (or Roland, or Korg, > From: "Travis Hartnett" > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Well, you can always zero all the presets on an effects box and start from > zero... > From: "ld thomson" > I'm thinking about buying an ebow. do you use a volume pedal with it? > Any pointers on Ebow use?? > From: "ld thomson" > Hey I'm ranting again. > Didn't Kim say that was okay. Hey, it's great to see the passion you all have for music and the methods and tools you choose to use to make music. A few months ago, I bought an ebow. It comes with a cassette with playing instructions. You don't need a volume pedal but as an ebow newbie, I find it helpful to use one. I also recently picked up the Headrush and a Roland GT-5 multieffects pedal (at $4 over cost!). Wow, what a rush! I used all three on a slide guitar at a session while I was visiting family in northeast Ohio 1.5 weeks ago. I may never recover... -- Bill >>> home: billfox@fast.net <<< work: billfox@lucent.com ============================================================================== Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. Email me if you wish to submit music for airplay consideration. ============================================================================== The radio station: http://www.wdiyfm.org My radio show: http://www.wdiyfm.org/schedule/s_emusic.html My band's site: http://www.crosswinds.net/~shadowplay ============================================================================== From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jul 28 11:32:55 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA28993; Wed, 28 Jul 1999 11:32:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 11:32:55 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199907281458.HAA09354@scv3.apple.com> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 09:58:33 -0500 Subject: Re: New looping pedal--Line 6 DL-4 Delay Modeler. From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"mLADE.0.Xi5.Ehndt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7163 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com We like to think that our genius is being held back by inadequate tools, but that's rarely the case. I sit in front of the piano, Bach sits in front of the piano. We both play. Who's to blame for the results? Not the poor piano. Many guitarists find that a stock Telecaster suits their basic needs. And most amps are based on Fender or Marshall designs, or algorithms. Tweaking guitars or amps is a different level of modification from writing your own algorithms. Some people build their own amps and guitars, but most people have no interest in this level of tweakability. Writing your own processing algorithms would be more akin to building your own guitar, with non-Western temperament, nine strings, a bridge in the middle of the neck, and so on. Hans Reichel has gotten some interesting and beautiful work from this approach, but for a manufacturer of mass-market musical equipment, this is not a rewarding route to pursue. However, I will concede that there are rare individuals of brilliance, who possess such a daring new vision of music as transformative experience that water flows uphill when they play. Those people should, by all means, do whatever it takes to scrape up the four grand for the latest Eventide wonder box. Eventide should consider making such people preset designers and putting them on payroll. TH ---------- >From: Andreas Willers >To: "INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" >Subject: Re: New looping pedal--Line 6 DL-4 Delay Modeler. >Date: Wed, Jul 28, 1999, 2:57 AM > > > Trouble is, you simply can't start from scratch with the units they sell > today. I think that only one digital box on the market today (some Eventide > top-of-the-line-thing) let's you create your OWN ALGORITHMS to start with. > The software is written with the average consumer in mind and is very > limited in terms of individuality and inventiveness. > > Almost any guitarist could easily modify a stock Telecaster to suit his > basic needs quite well without too much time/effort involved. Even amps can > be tuned and twisted. Ever tried to have a digital effect modified? It's > still stone-age stuff we are dealing with here... From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jul 28 12:04:26 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA01271; Wed, 28 Jul 1999 12:04:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 12:04:26 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990728154141.37657.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [209.244.226.210] From: "Sean Witters" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: BPM Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 08:41:41 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"__Igj.0.1S7.wJodt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7164 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I just downloaded VisionDSP and I'm having the time of my life with it. As I'm putting on loops I'd like them to be in time with the counter. Does anyone have any advice on calulating BPM? -Sean PS, Sorry about the NEA Spam but it seemed intensely relavent. _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jul 28 12:51:41 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA09267; Wed, 28 Jul 1999 12:51:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 12:51:41 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <011501bed915$8fad6a40$332310ac@Douglas> From: "K. Douglas Baldwin" To: "Travis Hartnett" , Subject: Re: New looping pedal--Line 6 DL-4 Delay Modeler. Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 12:03:15 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"pXrR9.0.tA1.ywodt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7166 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >Well, you can always zero all the presets on an effects box and start from >zero... Good point, and I often evaluate pedals precisely from this perspective. If the pedal colors the sound when it's doing "nothing" then it's decidedly biased in that direction. Also, I like to A-B a pedal with the "unpedaled", totally bypassed signal. This is particularly important for looping tools, which should merely record and spew back unless you ask them to do otherwise. >> All that I would add to my original comment is that I wish these >> companies would come up with a *blank canvas* approach, rather than a >> "retro" anything or "future" anything or "Saturnine chakra massage" >> anything. My fave-rave FX and amps are those which, with a minimum of >> settings, get the widest range of expression. Dinky smudge-colors from >> ancient stomp boxes are way cool, to be sure, but give me the wide open >> nothingness of infinite possibility any day. I also understand that from a >> marketing standpoint, this approach is really difficult to sell (no one is >> prepared to buy blank canvases because no one sells blank canvases because >> no one buys blank canvases....). But this negative-loop reciprocality can be >> broken if either the buyer or seller chooses not to play the game. >> -----Original Message----- > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jul 28 12:53:42 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA09521; Wed, 28 Jul 1999 12:53:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 12:53:42 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <011401bed915$8e3dada0$332310ac@Douglas> From: "K. Douglas Baldwin" To: "Matt Rowe" , Subject: Re: nord modular as a looping device? Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 11:49:20 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"OdXoS1.0.NA1.uwodt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7165 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Who or what is nord? >has anyone here investigated the nord modular as a looping device? i'm >wondering if the delay/sampling modules can be configured in a way such that >i can do realtime multitracked looping. and, if so, what are my limitations >in terms of loop time, number of loops, etc. Douglas Baldwin, Alpha male Coyote, the Trickster dbaldwin@suffolk.lib.ny.us From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jul 28 13:10:02 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA12435; Wed, 28 Jul 1999 13:10:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 13:10:02 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Sender: mpeters@csi.com Message-ID: <01BED92B.8A4E9720.mpeters@csi.com> From: Michael Peters To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: AW: preset nightmares (RANT) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 18:39:39 +0200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-Mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"8vgut.0.3G2.7Kpdt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7167 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com ld thomson wrote, > Because you see these loops were writen by "professional DJ's" and their > ideas are of course way better than yours or mine. They even list name > credits for these loops!! Man, I'd put somebody I hate's name on it if I > was the creator of any of that paff. ROFL! -Michael From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jul 28 13:46:17 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA19900; Wed, 28 Jul 1999 13:46:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 13:46:17 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Subject: Re: BPM Date: Tue, 27 Jul 99 11:12:16 -0000 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: Doug Tapia To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Message-ID: <1278937017-25114025@arts.unco.edu> Resent-Message-ID: <"hR6jg.0.p73.Xdpdt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7168 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sean, Check out the shareware program "D-Sound Pro" It is reasonably priced and has a number of great tools including the ability to calculate the tempo to 1/100th of a BPM. All you have to do is tell it how many measures the loop is and it will crunch the number. It's also great for tweeking two or more loops to fit the same tempo. Check it out! -Doug p.s. if you use it, be sure to pay for it! >Subject: BPM >Sent: 8/1/19 2:30 AM >Received: 7/27/99 11:01 AM >From: Sean Witters, seanwitters@hotmail.com >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > >I just downloaded VisionDSP and I'm having the time of my life with it. As >I'm putting on loops I'd like them to be in time with the counter. Does >anyone have any advice on calulating BPM? >-Sean >PS, Sorry about the NEA Spam but it seemed intensely relavent. > > >_______________________________________________________________ >Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jul 28 14:28:08 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA26439; Wed, 28 Jul 1999 14:28:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 14:28:08 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990728180811.57603.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [131.107.3.75] From: "g716" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: EDP Upgrade/Midi question Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 11:08:07 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_015A_01BED8E9.78686640" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2918.2701 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2918.2701 Resent-Message-ID: <"Vl1Bz.0.vm5.bTqdt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7169 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_015A_01BED8E9.78686640 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable resending in plain text. sorry for the duplicates if you could read the = previous version... =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Kim, I'm wondering if the upgrade mentioned on: http://www.annihilist.com/loop/tools/echoplex/echopedals.html will materialize in the next release. It's the one where the EDP = functions will react to midi program change messages in addition to = note-on messages. I'm realizing my Digital Music Corp. Ground Control = unit won't quite replace my EFC-7 just yet. Snippet from the page: "The simplest pedals can only send program change messages. These are ok = for changing programs on simple effects boxes, but they're not much use = on devices with more sophisticated control interfaces like synthesizers, = recording gear, or the Echoplex. If you have such a pedal, you may = eventually be in luck. If the planned software upgrade ever comes out, = it will include support for midi program changes to control some of the = Echoplex's functions. It'll still be limited, but at least it will work. = This upgrade will extend the Echoplex's midi implementation in other = ways as well." ....trying to clean-up some floor space..... 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------=_NextPart_000_015A_01BED8E9.78686640-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jul 28 14:58:59 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA31331; Wed, 28 Jul 1999 14:58:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 14:58:59 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990728101152.0093ead0@mail.well.com> X-Sender: dog@mail.well.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 10:11:52 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: dan mcmullen Subject: Re: nord modular as a looping device? In-Reply-To: <011401bed915$8e3dada0$332310ac@Douglas> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"0RwD3.0.tD6.Bfqdt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7170 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 11:49 AM 7/28/99 -0400, you wrote: >Who or what is nord? a particularly nice emulation of a modular analog synth implemented in software that runs in a standalone box with a computer based editor having the nicest user interface i've seen in a long while. > >>has anyone here investigated the nord modular as a looping device? i'm >>wondering if the delay/sampling modules can be configured in a way such >that >>i can do realtime multitracked looping. and, if so, what are my >limitations >>in terms of loop time, number of loops, etc. for looping audio input it is not appropriate as it has virtually no sample ram. the audio delay modules have only milliseconds max delay time. for looping synth sounds generated internally in the unit it is a dream machine. lfos, sequencers, control delays, etc. as many as you like, connected however you want. & it sounds really good, imo. anyone want to buy a tricked out Oberheim Matrix 12? :-) loop on! dan ___ dan mcmullen, sf, ca, usa don't worry - pay attention mailto:dog@well.com 415.681-0712 pgp fingerprint = 1C70 8D81 6B94 93A9 F2D8 9609 2122 BF70 8619 EDAF From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jul 28 15:56:02 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA08759; Wed, 28 Jul 1999 15:56:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 15:56:02 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <007f01bed92f$44f8d100$02585858@timspc> From: "american qabalah" To: References: <19990727232300.1657.qmail@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: Trickle-down theory of creativity (was: preset nightmares (RANT)) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 14:27:40 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: <"ct72C1.0.Tz.Ydrdt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7171 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Plus it's like those CDs of loops you can get for Sonic Foundry's ACID. Sure, they sound real cool, but the only problem is that you and like 432,931,359 other people are using them. I mean, I'd love to have the sexy loop of that woman moaning "All of my most sensitive areas were inflamed" on one of my songs, but as I write this there are 15,000 FILA-wearing yuppie kids who are playing that very loop on GeoCities web pages that will list on AltaVista if you do a search on the words "who's your daddy". So basically the only use you can really get out of them is as inspiration - for example, I could go out and find someone to get her sensitive areas inflamed just for me and then speak clearly into a microphone. Then the loop would be mine, all mine, to paraphrase Mick Jagger (whose sensitive areas, by the way, are inflamed as I write this). Of course, even after I got her to inflame her sensitive areas while a microphone was present, she still couldn't just say "All of my most sensitive areas were inflamed", that wouldn't do. It's already been done (q.v.). No, She'd have to reword it slightly, into something like: "Hey, I'm real swollen" or maybe "I think I'm retaining water" or something like "Take a look at this. Should I see a doctor?" or "Tim, could we record this later? I'm like way bloated right now." And once again we have a clear line between the educated, brilliant, lofty professionals high on the mountaintop who are doing the cool stuff --and me, the moron. Then of course, there are those 468 cheesy, crappy loops that you get with the Roland Groovebox MC303 which are just cheesy and crappy. I don't know this personally, I heard it from mailto:heatshrink@hotmail.com Tim ----- Original Message ----- From: ld thomson To: Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 1999 6:22 PM Subject: Re: preset nightmares (RANT) > My effects rig is so low tech that I haven't had this problem however.. > Using the Roland Groovebox MC303 (the first one) has been nightmare for > similar reasons. You have 50 patterns that are yours to fill. The machine > has about 500 patterns, 468 which are totally cheesey crap. After you've > got about 15 really cool patterns of your own programmed in...you get the > DREADED ERROR 6... which means out of memory. There is no way (after > pestering the hell out of Roland and sending many emails) it seems to clear > any precious memory or dump all the useless fart-o-rama loops off it to make > room for cool stuff you write. Why? > Because you see these loops were writen by "professional DJ's" and their > ideas are of course way better than yours or mine. They even list name > credits for these loops!! Man, I'd put somebody I hate's name on it if I > was the creator of any of that paff. > Ultimately Roland's answer was for me to buy the MC505. > > Hey I'm ranting again. > Didn't Kim say that was okay. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jul 28 17:04:49 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA20135; Wed, 28 Jul 1999 17:04:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 17:04:49 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <01BED8FE.5F744220.curbfeeler@transworld-lax.com> From: Steve Han Reply-To: "curbfeeler@transworld-lax.com" To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: I used to play.... Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 11:20:55 -0700 Organization: Transworld Freight Systems X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"OTOpu1.0.Dz3.Yisdt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7172 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I used to play. Now I just read user's manuals and follow user groups to figure out how to use the manuals. One day I will actually pick up my instruments and play. One day. Curbie From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jul 28 17:03:48 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA19960; Wed, 28 Jul 1999 17:03:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 17:03:48 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990728204130.69350.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [209.20.12.234] From: "ld thomson" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Trickle-down theory of creativity (was: preset nightmares (RANT)) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 13:41:29 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"krd8H3.0.g_3._isdt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7174 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fortunately I have been tape recording my life since I was 8 so I have PLENTY of sampling material. Including such gems as the drunken nightmare blond from hell calling me on her cell phone at 4:00am trying to find my house..."I'm like...totally lost..." or my personal fave a crazy guy who was a regular at a courner store annoucing "I'm afraid of just blowing up!" or my sister dancing around foolishly singing "jingle bells" and tripping over something, falling into the Christmas tree, knocking it over and my father's voice calling from another room "what on earth?". Maybe I should dump it all onto CD and sell it to the childern of today or their DJ's. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jul 28 17:04:34 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA20086; Wed, 28 Jul 1999 17:04:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 17:04:34 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <01BED8FE.64B18180.curbfeeler@transworld-lax.com> From: Steve Han Reply-To: "curbfeeler@transworld-lax.com" To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Cc: "'cavallo@dada.it'" Subject: RE: Leo, Help! Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 13:36:54 -0700 Organization: Transworld Freight Systems X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"By_7n.0.9-3.misdt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7173 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hello Leo and any other VST Gurus on this list, (for all others, sorry for being off topic) I've recently upgraded my VST24(PC) to 3.7 version. Under "VST instrument", there is "NEON" synth which is very interesting. Has any companies released any other VST Instruments? If so, which synths and drum machine softwares do you recommend? (Sorry to bother you but I thought I would consult the Cubase Guru in this matter) If I remember correctly, you are "Mac" system user, using a MOTU. I'm using Layla with my PC. During a play, when I bring up the Layla mixing board, the sound (play) is interrupted (but visually still running). I had upgraded the ASIO from Event Electronics, from 4.03 to 4.05 but it did not help. Running Acid Pro or Sound Forge, there is no interruption when I bring up the Layla Mixing board. My system has PII 450, 128 SDRAM, 11.1 G HD so I don't think that my system is the problem. I've sent couple of emails to Event Elect. but they did not respond as of today. One more thing Leo. I've added a Matrox G400 DualHead card to the system in order to enjoy having 2 monitors for page-heavy softwares such as the Cubase VST/24. In experimenting with using 2 monitors, I found that the only device which can be moved out of the program window boundry is the "transport bar". In adding the "dual monitor" system, I was hoping that I can have the monitor(mixer)window, effects window, and other peripheral windows on one monitor and have the main window on the other monitor. Have you heard of similar cases and/or solutions? Are you using the VST Remote feature? If so, which "mixer" do you recommend? I saw a demo at a Cubase Class and they were promoting the "Motor Mixer" which supports 96 automated tracks with a price range of about $700.00. This seems attractive. Sorry for all the questions Leo. Thanks. Steve "Curbie" -----Original Message----- From: Leo Cavallo [SMTP:cavallo@dada.it] Sent: Monday, June 14, 1999 4:50 AM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: help with cool edit pro mp3 encoding etc... but if you wanna top notch quality you should get the original frauhnnofer (????) codec. ciao leo At 00.57 14/06/99 -0700, you wrote: >The most kick-ass MP3 encoder I've found is CDex, freeware. It's really >cool. Give it a try. > > | -----Original Message----- > | From: Crossedout@aol.com [mailto:Crossedout@aol.com] > | Sent: Sunday 13 June 1999 7:00 PM > | To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > | Subject: Re: help with cool edit pro mp3 encoding etc... > | > | > | In a message dated 6/12/99 1:31:11 PM Central Daylight Time, > | permadan@yahoo.com writes: > | > | << Can someone please help me? I'm using Cool Edit pro > | and I want to save wav to mp3. I >> > | > | I use cooledit too, but I found some freeware that works well, > | a program > | called MPlifier. I found it through AOL's software library, you > | should be > | able to find it on the web. If you can't, let me know and I'll > | mail you a > | copy. > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jul 28 17:15:40 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA22265; Wed, 28 Jul 1999 17:15:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 17:15:40 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <379EC244.E6F2682@lucent.com> Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 04:41:40 -0400 From: Bill Fox Reply-To: billfox@lucent.com, or@lucent.com, wbf@aloft.micro.lucent.com Organization: Lucent Technologies Microelectronics X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: nord modular as a looping device? References: <199907282014.QAA11815@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"zqRK72.0.r14.pjsdt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7175 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hey! It's Dan!! Hi Dan!!! > From: dan mcmullen > At 11:49 AM 7/28/99 -0400, you wrote: > >Who or what is nord? > a particularly nice emulation of a modular analog synth implemented in > software that runs in a standalone box with a computer based editor > having > the nicest user interface i've seen in a long while. Actually, Nord is a manufacturer of several synths, the modular is one of them. > for looping synth sounds generated internally in the unit it is a > dream > machine. lfos, sequencers, control delays, etc. as many as you like, > connected however you want. & it sounds really good, imo. > > anyone want to buy a tricked out Oberheim Matrix 12? :-) They'll have to pry my Matrix 12 from my cold, dead hands. But I deeply desire a Nord Modular. I'll run the Nord's outputs through a Headrush after programming the Nord with MANY sequencers. Bill >>> home: billfox@fast.net <<< work: billfox@lucent.com ============================================================================== Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. Email me if you wish to submit music for airplay consideration. ============================================================================== The radio station: http://www.wdiyfm.org My radio show: http://www.wdiyfm.org/schedule/s_emusic.html My band's site: http://www.crosswinds.net/~shadowplay ============================================================================== From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jul 28 17:19:38 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA23022; Wed, 28 Jul 1999 17:19:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 17:19:38 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 16:47:30 EDT Subject: boomerang users To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 21 Resent-Message-ID: <"PW5m7.0.UF4.kosdt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7176 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com i have the 2 lines out on my rang (line out and aux line out) going into trac 1 and trac 2 of my marantz 4 trac......so last nite, after reading some bazillion posts to LD and wondering if the entire world was hooked up to coffee ivs, i sat here melting and just looking at my equipment.........and it struck me, what if i sent the aux out back into everything i have going before the rang (it being the last thing in my signal chain).......it sounded like a herd of rabid pigs attacking me until i adjusted the vol levels on my boxes and presto, i had the loop in the rang playing so nicely thru my 4 trac and i also had the loop being re-effected playing on top of the original loop......both at the same time.........sorry if this is old stuff, but if not give it a try.........michae; From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jul 28 17:24:22 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA24201; Wed, 28 Jul 1999 17:24:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 17:24:22 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 13:57:13 -0700 Message-ID: <00001796.C22160@svg.com> From: MBiffle@svg.com (Mike Biffle) Subject: Free whatever and Looping (what's that?) To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Resent-Message-ID: <"LrrQu1.0.Nr4.50tdt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7177 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fellow misled loopers... Imagine my horror and surprise at finding out there are conservatives and reactionaries lurking right before our eyes here at Loopers Delight! 8-) Did the rest of you figure that they are a vanishing breed? However forward looking and versatile our respective looping ideas and rigs are, conservatism is alive and growing... I'm so glad we've put our time into this valuable discussion. BTW: I think I'll skip visiting the offensive web site in question. All hail Discordia! -Biffoz From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jul 28 17:46:28 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA27242; Wed, 28 Jul 1999 17:46:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 17:46:28 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990728212056.13692.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [209.20.12.234] From: "ld thomson" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: boomerang users Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 14:20:55 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"-_UEj3.0.Bo5.0Itdt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7178 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com sometimes the simple ideas work best, and are also the most easly over-looked. Thanks for reminding me. I'm not a rang user (yet) but I'm going to have to try this with my set up anyway. Lorne Thomson Toronto, Canada >From: Nemoguitt@aol.com >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Subject: boomerang users >Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 16:47:30 EDT > >i have the 2 lines out on my rang (line out and aux line out) going into >trac 1 and trac 2 of my marantz 4 trac......so last nite, after reading >some >bazillion posts to LD and wondering if the entire world was hooked up to >coffee ivs, i sat here melting and just looking at my equipment.........and >it struck me, what if i sent the aux out back into everything i have going >before the rang (it being the last thing in my signal chain).......it >sounded >like a herd of rabid pigs attacking me until i adjusted the vol levels on >my >boxes and presto, i had the loop in the rang playing so nicely thru my 4 >trac >and i also had the loop being re-effected playing on top of the original >loop......both at the same time.........sorry if this is old stuff, but if >not give it a try.........michae; > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jul 28 17:47:54 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA27441; Wed, 28 Jul 1999 17:47:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 17:47:54 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 17:28:43 -0400 From: Andreas Willers Subject: Re: New looping pedal--Line 6 DL-4 Delay Modeler. Sender: Andreas Willers To: "INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Message-ID: <199907281729_MC2-7EC3-3A94@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by rosy.yourwebhost.com id RAA25022 Resent-Message-ID: <"-tkG52.0.e76.UPtdt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7179 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com -------------------- Begin Original Message -------------------- Message text written by INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com "I sit in front of the piano, Bach sits in front of the piano. We both play. Who's to blame for the results? Not the poor piano. " -------------------- End Original Message -------------------- Bach bloody INVENTED the piano while everybody around him thought you'd never be able to improve such a perfect instrument like the harpsichord. Probably pianos sounded horrible in the first 150 years or so. Electric guitar is still just hardly a grown up instrument and I am happy that I can decide easily by myself what pickups to stick into it. Thank God a lot of people are tinkering on improvements all the time, which does not mean that progress is a value or an end in itself. And I especially hate when some industry guy decides for me what can and what can't be done with, say a 1500 $ piece of equipment which should clearly pass the line between a nice little toy and a processor/musical instrument. Besides that I try to make a concious effort only to bring equipment to a gig that I really need that night and train my ability to perform on rented equipment etc. Andreas Andreas From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jul 28 18:04:34 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA30126; Wed, 28 Jul 1999 18:04:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 18:04:34 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Laura Kirby" To: Subject: Roland DJ 70 Mark 2 Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 15:47:09 -0600 Message-ID: <000501bed942$c2d59a00$0b64640a@cube.a2s-denver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"rscWU.0.DX6.tbtdt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7180 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hello- I was wondering if anyone could help me locate one of these Rolands. I am trying to help a band purchase one of these. Thanks From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jul 28 18:15:26 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA31810; Wed, 28 Jul 1999 18:15:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 18:15:26 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199907282155.OAA11746@scv4.apple.com> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 16:55:16 -0500 Subject: How much do our tools limit us? From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"oD04O1.0.f07.mntdt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7181 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I sit in front of the harpsichord, Bach sits in front of the harpsichord. We both play. Who's to blame for the results? Not the poor harpsichord. TH ---------- >From: Andreas Willers >To: "INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" >Subject: Re: New looping pedal--Line 6 DL-4 Delay Modeler. >Date: Wed, Jul 28, 1999, 4:28 PM > > -------------------- Begin Original Message -------------------- > > Message text written by INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > > "I sit in front of the piano, Bach sits in front of > the piano. We both play. Who's to blame for the results? Not the poor > piano. > " > > > -------------------- End Original Message -------------------- > > Bach bloody INVENTED the piano while everybody around him thought you'd > never be able to improve such a perfect instrument like the harpsichord. > Probably pianos sounded horrible in the first 150 years or so. Electric > guitar is still just hardly a grown up instrument and I am happy that I can > decide easily by myself what pickups to stick into it. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jul 28 18:52:20 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA04404; Wed, 28 Jul 1999 18:52:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 18:52:20 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: dmgraph@mail.earthlink.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199907281458.HAA09354@scv3.apple.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 18:38:17 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: David Myers Subject: Headrush shortage! Resent-Message-ID: <"ZXFY02.0.sX.tLudt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7183 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Well, I've finally saved up enough pennies for an Akai Headrush, but nobody has one!! Anybody have any suggestions? Who might have one in stock? Thanks David Myers From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jul 28 18:53:43 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA04657; Wed, 28 Jul 1999 18:53:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 18:53:43 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <003401bed948$eca40f00$02585858@timspc> From: "american qabalah" To: References: Subject: Re: boomerang users Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 17:31:22 -0500 X-Priority: 5 X-MSMail-Priority: Low X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: <"E_FbO2.0.NM.NHudt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7182 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Michael, Kids today, with the feedback and the loops and the boomerangs and the digital and the delay and the kool and the gang. When I was your age we didn't have the digital and the delay, we had to sing it over and over again, and this while walking 100 miles to school barefoot in a blizzard wearing hand-me-down dresses from our older sisters who beat us with razor straps and did we complain? Those were good old days when a day's work was a day's work and a man was a man and a woman was a woman and then there was Gene loves Jezebel. In Vitro Demitasse, Timothy ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 1999 3:47 PM Subject: boomerang users > i have the 2 lines out on my rang (line out and aux line out) going into > trac 1 and trac 2 of my marantz 4 trac......so last nite, after reading some > bazillion posts to LD and wondering if the entire world was hooked up to > coffee ivs, i sat here melting and just looking at my equipment.........and > it struck me, what if i sent the aux out back into everything i have going > before the rang (it being the last thing in my signal chain).......it sounded > like a herd of rabid pigs attacking me until i adjusted the vol levels on my > boxes and presto, i had the loop in the rang playing so nicely thru my 4 trac > and i also had the loop being re-effected playing on top of the original > loop......both at the same time.........sorry if this is old stuff, but if > not give it a try.........michae; > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jul 28 19:18:26 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA08330; Wed, 28 Jul 1999 19:18:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 19:18:26 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Doug Lawrence" To: Subject: RE: Headrush shortage! Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 18:59:37 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <"4OsCm.0.XM1.Djudt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7184 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I think they have them at Russo's Music Center in Trenton, NJ for $175.00. Give them a call at (609)888-0620. I'm not sure whether they ship or not. They have the whole Akai pedal line there. -----Original Message----- From: David Myers [mailto:dmgraph@pulsewidth.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 1999 7:38 PM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Headrush shortage! Well, I've finally saved up enough pennies for an Akai Headrush, but nobody has one!! Anybody have any suggestions? Who might have one in stock? Thanks David Myers From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jul 28 19:18:32 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA08346; Wed, 28 Jul 1999 19:18:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 19:18:32 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990728230017.95751.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [206.129.243.247] From: "Dan Bartell" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Headrush shortage! Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 16:00:17 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"EY2nK3.0.kQ1.5ludt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7185 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Call Zobrist Music in Seattle (206)624-2424, ask for Randall and tell him Dan sent you. They have a bunch of em and Randall will ship them out. Dan From: David Myers Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Headrush shortage! Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 18:38:17 -0500 Well, I've finally saved up enough pennies for an Akai Headrush, but nobody has one!! Anybody have any suggestions? Who might have one in stock? Thanks David Myers _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jul 28 19:48:38 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA13414; Wed, 28 Jul 1999 19:48:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 19:48:38 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <2148EC143F29D1118BE000805FC13CD0DB56ED@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Headrush shortage! Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 19:24:22 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Resent-Message-ID: <"rP3p83.0.BL2.z5vdt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7186 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com last seen musician's friend had 'em for approx $169. > -----Original Message----- > From: Doug Lawrence [SMTP:douglas-lawrence@home.com] > Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 1999 16:00 > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Subject: RE: Headrush shortage! > > > I think they have them at Russo's Music Center in Trenton, NJ for $175.00. > Give them a call at (609)888-0620. I'm not sure whether they ship or not. > They have the whole Akai pedal line there. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: David Myers [mailto:dmgraph@pulsewidth.com] > Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 1999 7:38 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Subject: Headrush shortage! > > > Well, I've finally saved up enough pennies for an Akai Headrush, but > nobody > has one!! Anybody have any suggestions? Who might have one in stock? > > Thanks > > David Myers > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jul 28 20:14:36 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA17375; Wed, 28 Jul 1999 20:14:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 20:14:36 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <001301bed955$901b2c20$c5924e0c@u73x0> From: "James Pokorny" To: Subject: Re: How much do our tools limit us? Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 20:01:51 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"6VgE7.0.Nb3.OZvdt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7187 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com As long as we're on early keyboards let's not forget the clavichord and the virginal. Always loved that name! James >I sit in front of the harpsichord, Bach sits in front of the harpsichord. >We both play. Who's to blame for the results? Not the poor harpsichord. > > >TH > >---------- >>From: Andreas Willers >>To: "INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" >>Subject: Re: New looping pedal--Line 6 DL-4 Delay Modeler. >>Date: Wed, Jul 28, 1999, 4:28 PM >> > >> -------------------- Begin Original Message -------------------- >> >> Message text written by INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >> >> "I sit in front of the piano, Bach sits in front of >> the piano. We both play. Who's to blame for the results? Not the poor >> piano. >> " >> >> >> -------------------- End Original Message -------------------- >> >> Bach bloody INVENTED the piano while everybody around him thought you'd >> never be able to improve such a perfect instrument like the harpsichord. >> Probably pianos sounded horrible in the first 150 years or so. Electric >> guitar is still just hardly a grown up instrument and I am happy that I can >> decide easily by myself what pickups to stick into it. > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jul 28 20:54:57 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA23035; Wed, 28 Jul 1999 20:54:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 20:54:57 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990729004807.42568.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [209.20.9.37] From: "ld thomson" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: boomerang users Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 17:48:06 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"9oFXx2.0.LS5.BKwdt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7188 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com That's along time ago. I think. Back when men were tiny and cars weren't invented yet. I had one of those rope things. >From: "american qabalah" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >To: >Subject: Re: boomerang users >Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 17:31:22 -0500 > >Michael, > >Kids today, with the feedback and the loops and the boomerangs and the >digital >and the delay and the kool and the gang. When I was your age we didn't >have >the digital and the delay, we had to sing it over and over again, and this >while walking 100 miles to school barefoot in a blizzard wearing >hand-me-down >dresses from our older sisters who beat us with razor straps and did we >complain? Those were good old days when a day's work was a day's work and >a >man was a man and a woman was a woman and then there was Gene loves >Jezebel. > >In Vitro Demitasse, >Timothy > >----- Original Message ----- >From: >To: >Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 1999 3:47 PM >Subject: boomerang users > > > > i have the 2 lines out on my rang (line out and aux line out) going >into > > trac 1 and trac 2 of my marantz 4 trac......so last nite, after reading >some > > bazillion posts to LD and wondering if the entire world was hooked up to > > coffee ivs, i sat here melting and just looking at my >equipment.........and > > it struck me, what if i sent the aux out back into everything i have >going > > before the rang (it being the last thing in my signal chain).......it >sounded > > like a herd of rabid pigs attacking me until i adjusted the vol levels >on my > > boxes and presto, i had the loop in the rang playing so nicely thru my 4 >trac > > and i also had the loop being re-effected playing on top of the original > > loop......both at the same time.........sorry if this is old stuff, but >if > > not give it a try.........michae; > > > > > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jul 28 21:22:42 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA26170; Wed, 28 Jul 1999 21:22:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 21:22:42 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990729003944.54566.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [209.20.9.37] From: "ld thomson" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: New looping pedal--Line 6 DL-4 Delay Modeler. Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 17:39:43 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"jilzy2.0._u5.aYwdt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7189 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com and it came to pass that God spoke and the GR 300 appeared. >From: Andreas Willers >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >To: "INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" > >Subject: Re: New looping pedal--Line 6 DL-4 Delay Modeler. >Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 17:28:43 -0400 > > > >-------------------- Begin Original Message -------------------- > >Message text written by INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > >"I sit in front of the piano, Bach sits in front of >the piano. We both play. Who's to blame for the results? Not the poor >piano. >" > > >-------------------- End Original Message -------------------- > >Bach bloody INVENTED the piano while everybody around him thought you'd >never be able to improve such a perfect instrument like the harpsichord. >Probably pianos sounded horrible in the first 150 years or so. Electric >guitar is still just hardly a grown up instrument and I am happy that I can >decide easily by myself what pickups to stick into it. > >Thank God a lot of people are tinkering on improvements all the time, which >does not mean that progress is a value or an end in itself. And I >especially hate when some industry guy decides for me what can and what >can't be done with, say a 1500 $ piece of equipment which should clearly >pass the line between a nice little toy and a processor/musical instrument. > >Besides that I try to make a concious effort only to bring equipment to a >gig that I really need that night and train my ability to perform on rented >equipment etc. > >Andreas >Andreas > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jul 29 01:13:57 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA28999; Thu, 29 Jul 1999 01:13:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 01:13:57 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <00aa01bed97d$c1ac8180$d4c8aec7@default> From: "Alan Imberg" To: "Loopers" References: <00001796.C22160@svg.com> Subject: Re: Free whatever and Looping (what's that?) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 21:49:30 -0700 Organization: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Resent-Message-ID: <"wABzV1.0.6T6.Xvzdt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7190 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Actually, I couldn't care less about the political views of other members of this list. On a completely unrealted note, here's a quote I took from a notice I received from Amazon.com. Now Carlos is a forward thinking fella. "Routine is death. There's ways to get rid of that, and that's just take colder showers or sleep on the floor--just change routine! Go a different way home. And all the people who I grew up with, you know, Bill Graham, Miles Davis, and John Lee Hooker, I have never seen these people be bored or predictable or yawning. They are always either very passionate or very horny or very holy or all of them at the same time." --Carlos Santana > Fellow misled loopers... > > Imagine my horror and surprise at finding out there are conservatives > and reactionaries lurking right before our eyes here at Loopers > Delight! 8-) Did the rest of you figure that they are a vanishing > breed? However forward looking and versatile our respective looping > ideas and rigs are, conservatism is alive and growing... I'm so glad > we've put our time into this valuable discussion. BTW: I think I'll > skip visiting the offensive web site in question. > > All hail Discordia! > -Biffoz > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jul 29 02:51:48 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA08989; Thu, 29 Jul 1999 02:51:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 02:51:48 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 02:32:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Unit Circle Media To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Headrush shortage! In-Reply-To: <19990728230017.95751.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"lLN5S3.0.SW1.PN_dt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7191 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > Call Zobrist Music in Seattle (206)624-2424, ask for Randall and tell him > Dan sent you. They have a bunch of em and Randall will ship them out. > Yup, I bought mine from Randall in Seattle. Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jul 29 04:57:01 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA23253; Thu, 29 Jul 1999 04:57:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 04:57:01 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <19990728081122.97937.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 01:32:26 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: EDP Upgrade/Midi question Resent-Message-ID: <"iQukP3.0.w85.M61et"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7192 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi- sorry, we're not going to do that now. Instead we decided to use program change for it's intended purpose of changing programs. BTW, I'm really impressed that DMC is still able to sell that pedal for $250 when all it does is send program change and some limited cc info. Oh, and with a display where you can actually name the presets! ooooo.... almost as much profit margin as a Les Paul....:-) I'm jealous..... kim At 1:10 AM -0700 7/28/99, Greg S wrote: > Kim, I'm wondering if the upgrade mentioned on: >http://www.annihilist.com/loop/tools/echoplex/echopedals.html will >materialize in the next release. It's the one where the EDP functions >will react to midi program change messages in addition to note-on >messages. I'm realizing my Digital Music Corp. Ground Control unit won't >quite replace my EFC-7 just yet. Snippet from the page: "The simplest >pedals can only send program change messages. These are ok for changing >programs on simple effects boxes, but they're not much use on devices >with more sophisticated control interfaces like synthesizers, recording >gear, or the Echoplex. If you have such a pedal, you may eventually be in >luck. If the planned software upgrade ever comes out, it will include >support for midi program changes to control some of the Echoplex's >functions. It'll still be limited, but at least it will work. This upgrade >will extend the Echoplex's midi implementation in other ways as well." >....trying to clean-up some floor space..... Greg ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jul 29 08:17:01 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA09710; Thu, 29 Jul 1999 08:17:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 08:17:01 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 07:10:49 -0500 (CDT) Sender: crash@waste.org From: Todd Madson Reply-To: Todd Madson To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re-looping Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"dJApL1.0.AF2.UK4et"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7193 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Herd of rabid pigs? Wow. I want to hear that. How did you do it? i.e. instrument, looper, mixer of 4-track, then: aux out into another channel of the mixer with the FX send going to the looper device? Or? One of the really cool things is that many of today's drum machines have individual outputs for various sounds/instruments. Instead of using this for a different reverb on every drum sound, do this: many of today's drum machines have bass or synth samples available. Some of these are even tunable over a wide range. Some have multiple basses. So: Run one of the basses through a back of FX and tune it way up and use it for strange looped textures. (for an example check out: http://www.waste.org/~crash/asb.html and download the track "aliensporebomb" - all of the background textures besides guitar are processed drum machine tuned-up bass, even the descending four note "keyboard" part. In fact, both the drums, bass synth, and "synthesizer" parts are all generated from the same drum machine in real time. It's an MP3 for those who care about such things.) Then: run a separate out into a looper or tapped delay and create weird counter polyrhythms to the main rhythm. I don't have an example of this online yet. You'll be glad you did. Oh, more processing fun: I recently sent the outputs from my drum machine into an octave divider and did some drum patterns with no cymbals (remember, octave dividers are one-note-at-a-time devices). (Cymbals came later on a separate unaffected track.) Then I ran the output from that into the Vortex and used tap tempo to create some off-kilter rhythms). For whatever reason, the octave divider adds enough low end "oomph" to make the drums sound more realistic, especially with a touch of reverb, but not too much. Next time we'll talk about the use of Vocoder devices on conventional instruments. Todd Madson Musician, Mountain Biker, Stunt Kite Flyer, BeOS/MacOS/Linux/WinNt user. http://www.waste.org/~crash/index.html From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jul 29 09:39:51 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA19720; Thu, 29 Jul 1999 09:39:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 09:39:51 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 14:28:57 +0100 (BST) From: Jim Carter To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: preset nightmares (RANT) In-Reply-To: <01BED92B.8A4E9720.mpeters@csi.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"UFBC41.0.EX4.lT5et"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7194 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com can we please stop rubbishing other people politicoreligious views and concentrate on slagging music equipment with non-erasible presets and plug in transformers. In other words, I totally agree with other loopers that (generally) useless presets taking up valuable memory sucks donkey (as I believe Americans say). Plus I have a plastic bag under the stairs which is stuffed full of plug-in transformers 'cos I power everything off a centrallised psu. I propose that we name and shame offenders: Black mark to --- Waldorf Pulse, 128 patches, only 40 overwittable and the biggest fuck-off monster plug-in transformer ever. Gold star to --- Korg Electribe, 256 patches all overwrittable! nice small transformer, will easily accomodate plugs either side. The only bit of kit I use the presets on is a Boss SX700 'cos I can't figured out how to program the bastard thing. Great effect but no wonder their selling them off cheap. Jim Carter University of Bristol Cantock's Close Bristol BS8 1TS UK Tel - 0117 9289934 FAX - 0117 9293746 e-mail jim.carter@bris.ac.uk From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jul 29 10:45:17 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA29101; Thu, 29 Jul 1999 10:45:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 10:45:17 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199907291438.HAA32886@scv1.apple.com> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 09:38:47 -0500 Subject: FS: RDS 8000 8 sec delay, $195 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: "Looper's Delight" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"3MslE.0.cw6.VU6et"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7195 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com from Harmony Central, refer all questions to: faybe@aol.com ******************************************* digitech 8second rack mount delay Asking Price: US$195 Condition: Mint Age: 4 years Description: digitech 8second rack mount delay, $195. Seller: ollo ollo, 703-734-0110 E-mail: faybe@aol.com (Profile) ICQ#: 40436168 Location: MC LEAN, VA Post Date: 7/28/99 From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jul 29 12:30:41 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA12324; Thu, 29 Jul 1999 12:30:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 12:30:41 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990729162252.8991.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [209.20.7.227] From: "ld thomson" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: preset nightmares (RANT) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 09:22:50 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"wzmxT1.0.mj2.W08et"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7196 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hear Hear!! I agree. This present nonsense gobbling up all that memory has got to stop. And only we can do it. I suggest we begin emailing review of offending gear to Roland or whoever (I'll never forgive them for ditching the GR300 for the GR700) and pester them until they know we loopers mean business. >From: Jim Carter >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" >Subject: preset nightmares (RANT) >Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 14:28:57 +0100 (BST) > > >can we please stop rubbishing other people politicoreligious views >and concentrate on slagging music equipment with non-erasible >presets and plug in transformers. >In other words, I totally agree with other loopers that (generally) >useless presets taking up valuable memory sucks donkey (as I believe >Americans say). Plus I have a plastic bag under the stairs which >is stuffed full of plug-in transformers 'cos I power everything off >a centrallised psu. > >I propose that we name and shame offenders: > >Black mark to --- Waldorf Pulse, 128 patches, only 40 overwittable >and the biggest fuck-off monster plug-in transformer ever. > >Gold star to --- Korg Electribe, 256 patches all overwrittable! >nice small transformer, will easily accomodate plugs either side. > >The only bit of kit I use the presets on is a Boss SX700 'cos I can't >figured out how to program the bastard thing. Great effect but no >wonder their selling them off cheap. > > >Jim Carter > >University of Bristol >Cantock's Close >Bristol BS8 1TS >UK >Tel - 0117 9289934 >FAX - 0117 9293746 >e-mail jim.carter@bris.ac.uk > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jul 29 13:03:45 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA18528; Thu, 29 Jul 1999 13:03:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 13:03:45 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <014f01bed9e3$51e1aae0$3f2a10ac@Douglas> From: "K. Douglas Baldwin" To: , Subject: Re: boomerang users Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 12:05:38 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"JLhTt3.0.XH4.3W8et"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7197 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I believe you can do this with the Akai Headrush as it has a "mix" output and an "effects only" output. Hey, and with that multi-head output, I can stagger the effected loop. Now how do I detatch from this damn coffee iv??? Nurse! Nurse! -----Original Message----- From: Nemoguitt@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Wednesday, July 28, 1999 4:47 PM Subject: boomerang users >i have the 2 lines out on my rang (line out and aux line out) going into >trac 1 and trac 2 of my marantz 4 trac......so last nite, after reading some >bazillion posts to LD and wondering if the entire world was hooked up to >coffee ivs, i sat here melting and just looking at my equipment.........and >it struck me, what if i sent the aux out back into everything i have going >before the rang (it being the last thing in my signal chain).......it sounded >like a herd of rabid pigs attacking me until i adjusted the vol levels on my >boxes and presto, i had the loop in the rang playing so nicely thru my 4 trac >and i also had the loop being re-effected playing on top of the original >loop......both at the same time.........sorry if this is old stuff, but if >not give it a try.........michae; > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jul 29 14:09:29 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA29429; Thu, 29 Jul 1999 14:09:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 14:09:29 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Phaedebk@aol.com Message-ID: <55f2c49a.24d1f0f7@aol.com> Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 14:01:27 EDT Subject: Finally went digital. To: GR-30@onelist.com, midiguitar@egroups.com, digital-guitar@egroups.com CC: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 14 Resent-Message-ID: <"pz95D2.0.Cu6.OT9et"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7198 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Dear all, A few questions/comments if you would please... Just picked up the GR-30 and I have to say that internally the voices are really pretty, and there is a bit of room to edit them. Thankfully, it seems to have a similiar feel to my GR-707/700 as far as the overall editing works, so this made the transition much easier. Another note, took a little while to suss out a few of the controller's features but otherwise, it wasn't too nasty. Set up with a manual is a breeze, without I dare say would be nigh impossible. Again, these are the first few impressions of the unit. Have to say that I'm looking a bit more forward to delving into the MIDI programming side of it, which my Casio MG-510 really does not suppourt. Currently using a pair of different GK-2a'ed guitars, though I'll have a RMC equipped instrument very shortly for even more improved tracking. The first is a double necked Carvin with the GK-2a on the 6-string neck which has an older Kahler. The second is an older Kramer aluminum necked instrument, and I have to say that the tracking seems to be a bit better on this one than the Carvin. Yes, I've got them set up as Gt2 and Gt3 and this made the world of difference for tracking and tweaking purposes, though remembering how to get back to this area is a bit nastier than I would have liked... I have to say that the Guitar sound out on the Mix is wonderful, if not a bit brighter than what I'm used to. Granted, everything is going straight from the GR-30 to a Mackie board and then to a pair of Alesis RA-200's and then to a pair of Alesis Point 7's. There are also a few effects that are being run through the Aux channels on the Mackie Board, now if only I could find a smaller board that had a few more Auxillary channels, ... sigh... On the question side; is it me, or is the MIDI In only for a foot controller to control the patches, and has anyone had experience using other than Roland/Boss MIDI Controllers and Expression pedals? Is there a suitable substitution for the Bank Shift pedals? On the MIDI Out, I'm finding that it is a bit slower externally speaking in controlling other units; specifically a Casio and a few Roland keyboards. But, on a much happier note, my Creative Labs SB Live! had absolutely zero qualms in recognizing the GR-30 as did Cakewalk Pro Studio 7.0! Nearly felt like I pretty much only had to plug everything in and it instantly recognized each other, though I did find out that a good rule of thumb is to make sure that the GR-30 is powered up, before you power up the computer. Hope this helps out. So, I'll give the lists a heads up on experiences and ask a few more questions as they come up. Thanks again! Lee-ohki. PS. Many thanks to Jeff Collins for being patient and for shipping this beastie ASAP. LOL! PPS. Have to find out how this unit deals with a Boomerang in the Guitar Out Return Loop but that won't be until Friday night/Saturday morning. :( L. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jul 29 15:06:01 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA05849; Thu, 29 Jul 1999 15:06:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 15:06:01 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Phaedebk@aol.com Message-ID: <41cfac1f.24d1fd73@aol.com> Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 14:54:43 EDT Subject: Re: hello! To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 14 Resent-Message-ID: <"vQK5W2.0.131.xEAet"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7199 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Dear Lorne, LOL! Sorry about calling you Id a few times there. Anywho, let me answer your questions in reverse... My abouts, well at last count they were firmly attached to my stern, but we both know that this is a detachable and replaceable thing... A few pointers with the add-on of volume pedal usage... I'm using an older metal case and a new plastic E-Bow (without the Octave Boost) on pretty much all of my instruments with either or passive electronics or actives. A good rule of thumb is to not use it with Active Electronics as you may incur a bit of damage, at least this is what I've been told a few times, though I've not seen anything on this in the Heet homepage. I've even used both E-Bows on a single instrument for some really interesting drone and soloing effects on acoustic instruments using piezo or internal mics, and those with magnetic pickups that are fully electric instruments. Works great for triggering a Casio MG-510, Ibanez MIDI 2010, Roland GR-500, GR-700 and the GR-9, but for the newer synths, ... jury's out on this one. I know that it didn't work well in the stores, but now that I have a GR-30, I'll be able to give it a better run through. Volume pedals are great and personally I have to say are my favourite device outside of phase pedals, ... need to get a new one of these, too! In my case, I'm using one before a digital delay pedal, placed before my Boomerang. This way I can use the volume pedal (passive for me) to create swells and then use the digital delay to sustain the notes/tones produced. Another thing is that I've been doing is using a second volume pedal as a kill/mute if the Boomerang starts doing some odd and strange things and I'm getting too much feedback. Ummmm,... I tend to go direct into a PA board now that I've finally gotten a guitar synth, so I may end up selling off my Guitar Head for something more useful such as a noise gate or a rack mount for the guitar sound though I have to admit, the brightness in the guitar is actually nice... Now then, fun things to do with an E-Bow, is of course, using it to create more wind-instrumenty voices, ... finally sussed out a way on the Carvin to nearly duplicate a doubouk sound. Pretty much it is jacking up the tone on the neck pickup to just before you get that majour boost of brightness, in my case about 8. Set the pickup to out of phase and volia. A little use of the whammy bar and you're set. Sounds best in and around the range of the 6th fret to the 15th on the low E to the B string. One thing that is also really helpful in dealing with the E-Bow is the audio tape and docs that come with it and practicing the techniques therein. Above all else, the best advice I can give is to have fun with it. Tchus, Lee-ohki. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jul 29 15:22:30 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA08643; Thu, 29 Jul 1999 15:22:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 15:22:30 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Phaedebk@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 15:14:16 EDT Subject: Re: Roland DJ 70 Mark 2 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 14 Resent-Message-ID: <"yIb7o2.0.nq1.IXAet"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7200 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Dear Laura, Try out http://www.wmcworld.com or http://www.smellygig.com/atomic/ and for the Atomic Music, you'll want to speak to Louis of the College Park, MD location. Tchus, Lee-ohki. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jul 29 15:24:01 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA09035; Thu, 29 Jul 1999 15:24:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 15:24:01 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Phaedebk@aol.com Message-ID: <22add2a2.24d20280@aol.com> Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 15:16:16 EDT Subject: Re: Headrush shortage! To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 14 Resent-Message-ID: <"VzIHb.0.vu1.6ZAet"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7201 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Dear Dave, Try out http://www.wmcworld.com and you'll want to give them a jingle, vs. an email because they are REALLY SLOW at responding via email. Tchus, Lee-ohki. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jul 29 16:54:15 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA24100; Thu, 29 Jul 1999 16:54:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 16:54:15 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990729203033.20032.rocketmail@web122.yahoomail.com> Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 13:30:33 -0700 (PDT) From: dan sumner Subject: Re: 145BPM=?milliseconds To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"EscAS3.0.K05.SfBet"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7202 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com does anyone have the equation relating BPM to milliseconds? --- Doug Tapia wrote: > Sean, > > Check out the shareware program "D-Sound Pro" It is > reasonably priced > and has a number of great tools including the > ability to calculate the > tempo to 1/100th of a BPM. All you have to do is > tell it how many > measures the loop is and it will crunch the number. > It's also great for > tweeking two or more loops to fit the same tempo. > Check it out! > > -Doug > > p.s. if you use it, be sure to pay for it! > > >Subject: BPM > >Sent: 8/1/19 2:30 AM > >Received: 7/27/99 11:01 AM > >From: Sean Witters, seanwitters@hotmail.com > >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > > > >I just downloaded VisionDSP and I'm having the time > of my life with it. As > >I'm putting on loops I'd like them to be in time > with the counter. Does > >anyone have any advice on calulating BPM? > >-Sean > >PS, Sorry about the NEA Spam but it seemed > intensely relavent. > > > > > >_______________________________________________________________ > >Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit > http://www.msn.com > > > > _____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jul 29 17:12:05 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA26915; Thu, 29 Jul 1999 17:12:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 17:12:05 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990729204407.80620.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [165.227.137.247] From: "David Potter" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: boomerang users Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 13:44:07 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"n0iUO2.0.uV5.mrBet"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7203 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Yo guys I bought a boomerang from a guy on the list Roland Zachary but he didn't send the manuel with the rang... so I'm plugging in for a gig and the thing won't play my riff with sound...only it's echo comes out after I hit play...hell-o this won't work. I don't have his email listing anymore.. does anyone have rang info. or manuel info on the net.? papadave55@hotmail.com Loop On,On On On Thanks >From: "K. Douglas Baldwin" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >To: , >Subject: Re: boomerang users >Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 12:05:38 -0400 > >I believe you can do this with the Akai Headrush as it has a "mix" output >and an "effects only" output. Hey, and with that multi-head output, I can >stagger the effected loop. Now how do I detatch from this damn coffee iv??? >Nurse! Nurse! >-----Original Message----- >From: Nemoguitt@aol.com >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Date: Wednesday, July 28, 1999 4:47 PM >Subject: boomerang users > > > >i have the 2 lines out on my rang (line out and aux line out) going into > >trac 1 and trac 2 of my marantz 4 trac......so last nite, after reading >some > >bazillion posts to LD and wondering if the entire world was hooked up to > >coffee ivs, i sat here melting and just looking at my >equipment.........and > >it struck me, what if i sent the aux out back into everything i have >going > >before the rang (it being the last thing in my signal chain).......it >sounded > >like a herd of rabid pigs attacking me until i adjusted the vol levels on >my > >boxes and presto, i had the loop in the rang playing so nicely thru my 4 >trac > >and i also had the loop being re-effected playing on top of the original > >loop......both at the same time.........sorry if this is old stuff, but >if > >not give it a try.........michae; > > > > _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jul 29 18:00:08 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA01504; Thu, 29 Jul 1999 18:00:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 18:00:08 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 17:35:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Unit Circle Media To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: boomerang users In-Reply-To: <19990729204407.80620.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"HJm8m.0.iV7.ibCet"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7204 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com There's a big switch on the upper left of the pedal that triggers wether your hear the input signal mixed with the loop or not. Try toggling it... That should be it. This morning I thought of the times I have been performing with my 'rang and I forgot that I had switched off the input signal, it's pretty fast to realize and fix, but I thought that it would be cool to add a little led that showed you what the state of that switch was. If I was handier with a soldering iron I could probably do it myself. Kevin Kevin Goldsmith kevin@unitcircle.com Unit Circle Media http://www.unitcircle.com/ On Thu, 29 Jul 1999, David Potter wrote: > Yo guys I bought a boomerang from a guy on the list Roland Zachary but he > didn't send the manuel with the rang... so I'm plugging in for a gig > and the thing won't play my riff with sound...only it's echo comes out after > I hit play...hell-o this won't work. I don't have his email listing > anymore.. does anyone have rang info. or manuel info on the net.? > papadave55@hotmail.com Loop On,On On On > Thanks > > >From: "K. Douglas Baldwin" > >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > >To: , > >Subject: Re: boomerang users > >Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 12:05:38 -0400 > > > >I believe you can do this with the Akai Headrush as it has a "mix" output > >and an "effects only" output. Hey, and with that multi-head output, I can > >stagger the effected loop. Now how do I detatch from this damn coffee iv??? > >Nurse! Nurse! > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Nemoguitt@aol.com > >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > >Date: Wednesday, July 28, 1999 4:47 PM > >Subject: boomerang users > > > > > > >i have the 2 lines out on my rang (line out and aux line out) going into > > >trac 1 and trac 2 of my marantz 4 trac......so last nite, after reading > >some > > >bazillion posts to LD and wondering if the entire world was hooked up to > > >coffee ivs, i sat here melting and just looking at my > >equipment.........and > > >it struck me, what if i sent the aux out back into everything i have > >going > > >before the rang (it being the last thing in my signal chain).......it > >sounded > > >like a herd of rabid pigs attacking me until i adjusted the vol levels on > >my > > >boxes and presto, i had the loop in the rang playing so nicely thru my 4 > >trac > > >and i also had the loop being re-effected playing on top of the original > > >loop......both at the same time.........sorry if this is old stuff, but > >if > > >not give it a try.........michae; > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________________________ > Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jul 29 20:58:51 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA23653; Thu, 29 Jul 1999 20:58:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 20:58:51 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990729201403.007a9b40@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 20:14:03 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: 145BPM=?milliseconds In-Reply-To: <19990729203033.20032.rocketmail@web122.yahoomail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"67Tas2.0.IC4.gnEet"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7210 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I absolutely hated mathematics in school, but now that nobody's making me do it, I can enjoy it a lot more, especially when it's for a practical purpose like this one! Since there are 60,000 ms in a minute, 60k divided by the bpm = ms, and 60k divided by the ms = bpm! (A 500ms delay would translate to 120bpm, 60bpm = 1000ms, 30bpm = 2000ms, etc.) Wow! So 145bpm would be 413.7931035ms or thereabouts... Doubling or halving (or quadrupling or quartering, etc.) the settings would sound good too. I think I'll go speedread Godel, Escher and Bach now... where's that pocket protector? Tim (ps: I hear the movie "PI" is great, according to several list members, although I STILL haven't seen it. Maybe if I watch it, I'll get so stoked I'll calculate the input and output impedences of every instrument, device and amp in my whole rig so I can finally gain-stage the damned thing... REAL excitement, I gotta tell ya! At 01:30 PM 7/29/99 -0700, you wrote: > >does anyone have the equation relating BPM to >milliseconds? From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jul 29 20:59:31 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA23777; Thu, 29 Jul 1999 20:59:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 20:59:31 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990729223458.3240.rocketmail@web121.yahoomail.com> Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 15:34:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Bret Subject: Re: boomerang users To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"wTWtM3.0.3V1.lSDet"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7205 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Goto http://www.boomerangmusic.com/manual.htm for a boomerang online manual. bret --- David Potter wrote: > Yo guys I bought a boomerang from a guy on the list > Roland Zachary but he > didn't send the manuel with the rang... so I'm > plugging in for a gig > and the thing won't play my riff with sound...only > it's echo comes out after > I hit play...hell-o this won't work. I don't have > his email listing > anymore.. does anyone have rang info. or manuel info > on the net.? > papadave55@hotmail.com Loop On,On On On _____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jul 29 20:59:53 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA23843; Thu, 29 Jul 1999 20:59:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 20:59:53 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990729194037.007a9bf0@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 19:40:37 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: boomerang users/Headrush outs/wild pigs In-Reply-To: <014f01bed9e3$51e1aae0$3f2a10ac@Douglas> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"k9FNW1.0.5H3.LIEet"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7206 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Yep, the Headrush has FIVE outputs, although they can't all be used in all modes; there's one jack for each of the four (simulated) heads in Tape Echo mode (in "Normal Delay" mode, the "Head 1" output sends only the wet signal), plus the Mix out, which combines the direct and delay signals. (If anything is plugged into any of the other outs, the signal from that out is removed from the Mix signal.) In Looping mode, the only things that work are the functions written in black: Input, Level, and the Mix out, so you really can't stagger the effected loop, but you CAN send staggered delays to different amps or mixer channels. The other outs are for use in the other two modes; Normal Delay (the Head 1 out, written in red) and Tape Echo (the stuff written in blue), the functions in black are for use in all modes. Since the Headrush has only one INPUT, though, you'd need a mixer to summon those wild pigs... Tim At 12:05 PM 7/29/99 -0400, you wrote: >I believe you can do this with the Akai Headrush as it has a "mix" output >and an "effects only" output. Hey, and with that multi-head output, I can >stagger the effected loop. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jul 29 21:04:32 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA24635; Thu, 29 Jul 1999 21:04:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 21:04:32 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <37A0EA22.4A90@club-internet.fr> Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 01:56:18 +0200 From: PERILLE Reply-To: perille@club-internet.fr X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 [fr]C-CLUB (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: 145BPM=?milliseconds Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"NJZrU1.0.Bv3.peEet"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7208 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > does anyone have the equation relating BPM to milliseconds? The beat duration in milliseconds is 60,000 divided by BPM (414 msec for 145 BPM) Emmanuel From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jul 29 21:08:51 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA25202; Thu, 29 Jul 1999 21:08:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 21:08:51 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: dmgraph@mail.earthlink.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <22add2a2.24d20280@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 19:38:21 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: David Myers Subject: Re: Headrush shortage! Resent-Message-ID: <"j_rLy3.0.sK3.TKEet"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7207 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thanks to all the helpful respondees. I found that Musician's Friend had them in stock at the best price, $170.... Now, when will we see the Line 6 units on the shelves? I'll be watching!! From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jul 29 21:15:37 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA26846; Thu, 29 Jul 1999 21:15:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 21:15:37 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <37A0EB82.46EA@dmans.com> Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 19:02:10 -0500 From: "Mikell D. Nelson" Reply-To: mnelson@dmans.com Organization: Boomerang Musical Products X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: boomerang users References: <19990729204407.80620.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"JzuV-3.0.1x3.UfEet"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7209 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com David Potter wrote: > > Yo guys I bought a boomerang from a guy on the list Roland Zachary but he > didn't send the manuel with the rang... so I'm plugging in for a gig > and the thing won't play my riff with sound...only it's echo comes out after > I hit play...hell-o this won't work. I don't have his email listing > anymore.. does anyone have rang info. or manuel info on the net.? > papadave55@hotmail.com Loop On,On On On > Thanks Hey David, Just press the THRU MUTE button. We should have put an indicator light by it, but that thought came a little after we ordered 3000 chassis. :o If that doesn't do it, contact me and we'll get it sorted out. Even if you have to send the unit to us, it won't be painful as there are no expensive Rang repairs (short of one that's been run over by a dump truck). The contents of the manual are on our web site. Let me know if you have any other questions or problems. -- Mike Nelson Boomerang Musical Products 800-530-4699 PO Box 541595 214-343-1038, Fax Dallas, TX 75354-1595 mnelson@dmans.com, email http://www.boomerangmusic.com "Some products make you sound better; the Boomerang Phrase Sampler makes you play better." From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jul 30 00:36:14 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA14636; Fri, 30 Jul 1999 00:36:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 00:36:14 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <001901beda42$cb8154e0$02585858@timspc> From: "american qabalah" To: References: <19990729203033.20032.rocketmail@web122.yahoomail.com> Subject: Re: 145BPM=?milliseconds Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 23:19:46 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: <"TfDvX1.0.0W2.PUIet"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7213 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com It's 60,000 divided by the beats per minute. 145 bpm = roughly 413 milliseconds per beat. Ain't that right? ----- Original Message ----- From: dan sumner To: Sent: Thursday, July 29, 1999 3:30 PM Subject: Re: 145BPM=?milliseconds > > does anyone have the equation relating BPM to > milliseconds? > --- Doug Tapia wrote: > > Sean, > > > > Check out the shareware program "D-Sound Pro" It is > > reasonably priced > > and has a number of great tools including the > > ability to calculate the > > tempo to 1/100th of a BPM. All you have to do is > > tell it how many > > measures the loop is and it will crunch the number. > > It's also great for > > tweeking two or more loops to fit the same tempo. > > Check it out! > > > > -Doug > > > > p.s. if you use it, be sure to pay for it! > > > > >Subject: BPM > > >Sent: 8/1/19 2:30 AM > > >Received: 7/27/99 11:01 AM > > >From: Sean Witters, seanwitters@hotmail.com > > >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > > >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > > > > > >I just downloaded VisionDSP and I'm having the time > > of my life with it. As > > >I'm putting on loops I'd like them to be in time > > with the counter. Does > > >anyone have any advice on calulating BPM? > > >-Sean > > >PS, Sorry about the NEA Spam but it seemed > > intensely relavent. > > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________________________ > > >Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit > > http://www.msn.com > > > > > > > > > _____________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jul 30 00:44:48 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA16580; Fri, 30 Jul 1999 00:44:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 00:44:48 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <004501beda44$2ef21180$02585858@timspc> From: "american qabalah" To: References: <000a01beda38$e28a70e0$265bdfc8@doutor> Subject: Still seeking advice on a good portable 16-track HD recorder Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 23:29:57 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: <"Sd6GC1.0.N43.adIet"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7214 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Anyone have any experience with them? I'm trying to graduate up from my lovely-yet-enormous Akai DR8. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jul 30 01:32:53 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA22103; Fri, 30 Jul 1999 01:32:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 01:32:53 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: m1cha3l@mail.earthlink.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199907300134.VAA00384@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 01:20:03 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Michael Tuminello Subject: various - but mostly WHERE IS THE EDP? Resent-Message-ID: <"ncIZM2.0.yx4.yJJet"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7215 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hey - a few things in response to the last digest: re: ground control for $250 - I bought a SKB PS-100 3 unit rack + pedalboard thing off Ebay, and I have to say I really like it. I can see my programs without having to spring for a ground control. re: herd of rabid pigs - I want to hear that too. re: bpm - there is a mac shareware program that calculates bpm from keyboard taps. I don't have it, but I saw it in ID magazine (or maybe somewhere else...) a few months ago. re: the movie PI - my vote is very much against it. very stupid and self-consciously artsy. you'd never not guess that the guy who wrote it was also acting in it. The camera is always shooting from odd angles in an attempt to flatter him. RE: EDP - Today is June 30th. Tomorrow is August. I see, according to my notes: >All the right executive decisions have apparently been made in Gibson land, >and production is just starting up again. They expect to have Echoplexes >available again in August. This time, they expect to have enough quantity >to more than meet demand, and get this: they plan on drastically cutting >the price! WHEN IN AUGUST!??!? MT From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jul 30 02:08:47 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA25983; Fri, 30 Jul 1999 02:08:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 02:08:47 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <37A13D4B.F6D5A107@home.com> Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 22:51:08 -0700 From: Neil Goldstein X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Still seeking advice on a good portable 16-track HD recorder References: <000a01beda38$e28a70e0$265bdfc8@doutor> <004501beda44$2ef21180$02585858@timspc> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Z8NZO.0.Bv5.urJet"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7216 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com american qabalah wrote: > Anyone have any experience with them? I'm trying to graduate up from my > lovely-yet-enormous Akai DR8. VS1680 From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jul 30 03:47:09 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA06650; Fri, 30 Jul 1999 03:47:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 03:47:09 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 03:40:45 -0400 From: Andreas Willers Subject: Re: boomerang users Sender: Andreas Willers To: "INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Message-ID: <199907300340_MC2-7EFC-772C@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by rosy.yourwebhost.com id DAA06154 Resent-Message-ID: <"0UqQZ1.0.QW1.GTLet"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7217 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com -------------------- Begin Original Message -------------------- Message text written by INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com " This morning I thought of the times I have been performing with my 'rang and I forgot that I had switched off the input signal," -------------------- End Original Message -------------------- makes for frightening soundchecks.... From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jul 30 04:30:03 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA10847; Fri, 30 Jul 1999 04:30:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 04:30:03 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <37A16201.DAC18A2F@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 01:27:54 -0700 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Still seeking advice on a good portable 16-track HD recorder References: <000a01beda38$e28a70e0$265bdfc8@doutor> <004501beda44$2ef21180$02585858@timspc> <37A13D4B.F6D5A107@home.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Mdkuw1.0.cW2.E6Met"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7218 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Neil Goldstein wrote: > american qabalah wrote: > > > Anyone have any experience with them? I'm trying to graduate up from my > > lovely-yet-enormous Akai DR8. > > VS1680 i'll second that. lance g. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jul 30 05:46:27 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA17556; Fri, 30 Jul 1999 05:46:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 05:46:27 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <95820f78.24d2cc0a@aol.com> Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 05:36:10 EDT Subject: Re: I used to play.... To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0.i for Windows 95 sub 134 Resent-Message-ID: <"ZVM0J.0.n44.R9Net"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7219 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 28/07/99 22:04:20 GMT Daylight Time, curbfeeler@transworld-lax.com writes: > Now I just read user's manuals and follow user groups > to figure out how to use the manuals. Yep, sometimes I spend hours fiddling with FX and then wish I hadn't ...but sometimes I end up with a patch I can use. then I can spend some time with the patch, play into it and hear what comes out, find out what it does, find out that it does stuff I hadn't foreseen when working it out, ending up with bits of composition and areas for improvisation. Then it all seems worthwhile.(like the day my guitar sounded like a tabla) Part 2 presets? No, I don't like them unless they can be tweaked into something else, ( except reverbs, but even then usually need to change decay time) Partly this is because my main instrument for FX use is non-standard(not a strat), and also my technique is somewhat individual. So what sounds good for me isn't what (most) manufacturers provide. And actually I dislike most of those preset sounds, and I don't want to sound like other musos, even those I like. However, not everyone who uses FX wants to spend valuable music time doing all that tweaking stuff, they'll go straight on to the 'playing with it' stage using a preset or patch. I don't think their approach is in any way inferior to mine. Andy Butler Lexicon Vortex Database (no new sections sorry).. send more patches http://members.aol.com/soundfnr/vortex.htm From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jul 30 06:07:10 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA19449; Fri, 30 Jul 1999 06:07:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 06:07:10 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: PJBMHB@aol.com Message-ID: <6dc95784.24d2d238@aol.com> Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 06:02:32 EDT Subject: mini movie critique To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 21 Resent-Message-ID: <"sOh1K2.0.vf4.8YNet"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7220 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com i kind of liked the movie PI. thought it was good fun. oh well, different strokes for different paddles. =-) PJ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jul 30 08:18:49 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA31356; Fri, 30 Jul 1999 08:18:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 08:18:49 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 06:52:28 -0500 (CDT) Sender: crash@waste.org From: Todd Madson To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: MP3 track problem Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"AWg7u3.0.H47.E9Pet"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7221 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I've received two notifications that the MP3 file I asked people on the list to download to check out looped tuned drum machine bass samples out on does not download particularly well to Intel machines. try this url: http://webriffs.dhs.net/ Click on the webriffs icon. Then, search on the name "Todd Madson" and my tunes will be there. These ones should* work. Sorry for any inconvenience. Todd Madson Musician, Mountain Biker, Stunt Kite Flyer, BeOS/MacOS/Linux/WinNt user. http://www.waste.org/~crash/index.html From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jul 30 10:07:54 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA11689; Fri, 30 Jul 1999 10:07:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 10:07:54 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 10:00:23 -0400 (EDT) From: wbf@aloft.micro.lucent.com (William_B_Fox) Message-Id: <199907301400.KAA12503@badboy.micro.lucent.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: EMUSIC Playlist Resent-Message-ID: <"GxO712.0.cd2.G1Ret"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7222 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Playlist for "EMUSIC" "EMUSIC," an electronic, ambient, and space music show, airs each Thursday at 11pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ. http://www.wdiyfm.org/schedule/s_emusic.html Show #125 July 29, 1999. Host: Bill Fox http://www.wdiyfm.org billfox@fast.net On this show, I concluded the month-long focus on Steve Roach. Steve is such a prolific composer that his work bears repeated attention. The feature CD at midnight was Truth & Beauty, a Timeroom Editions release that is only available by mail order, not in stores. Steve Roach : http://www.steveroach.com EMUSIC Focus : http://www.wdiyfm.org/emusic/playlists/focus.html ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================= 11:00 pm Giles Reaves Wunjo + Wunjo (MCA Master Series) Spacecraft Earthtime Tapestry Earthtime Tapestry (Lektronic Soundscapes) Spacecraft Living World E. T. (Lektronic Soundscapes) Spacecraft Dreams of One E. T. (Lektronic Soundscapes) Akikaze The Other Side Conflicting Emotions (Quantum) Tomita The Old Castle + Pictures at an Exhibition (RCA) VA [Michael Bondee] Arpegiator Jarre Logic (Purple Pyramid) Vidna Obmana & Serge Perceptual Edge The Shape of Solitude Devadder (Multimood) Fountainhead Drift Cloud Cover (Aucourant) 12:00 am Steve Roach Aftermath Truth & Beauty (Timeroom) Steve Roach The Majestic Void Truth & Beauty (Timeroom) Steve Roach Fall of the Moai Truth & Beauty (Timeroom) Steve Roach Earthman Truth & Beauty (Timeroom) Steve Roach Fate Awaits Truth & Beauty (Timeroom) Steve Roach Beyond the Blood Truth & Beauty (Timeroom) Steve Roach Before the Sacrifice Truth & Beauty (Timeroom) Steve Roach The Unreachable Place Truth & Beauty (Timeroom) Steve Roach The Unbroken Promise * Truth & Beauty (Timeroom) 1:00 am + = LP courtesy of Jack Deckard - Thanks Jack! * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) On the next EMUSIC, I will begin a month-long focus on Belgian musician Vidna Obmana and his various collaborations. The Feature CD at Midnight will be the Memory Pool CD from his three CD set "Ascention of Shadows" on the Projekt label. Vidna's collaborator on this masterpiece is none other than Steve Roach. Please visit the WDIY web site and navigate through the schedule to the EMUSIC pages. Playlists for every show are there. Hot links to artists and labels can be found in the monthly focus section. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jul 30 11:08:49 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA20792; Fri, 30 Jul 1999 11:08:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 11:08:49 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <37A1BA9F.8815D1D4@minds-eye.org> Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 10:45:51 -0400 From: Kevin X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: MP3 track problem References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"EqH8e2.0.NN4.AiRet"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7223 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Todd Madson wrote: > I've received two notifications that the MP3 file I asked people on the > list to download to check out looped tuned drum machine bass samples out > on does not download particularly well to Intel machines. > > try this url: > > http://webriffs.dhs.net/ > My Netscape (4.5) browser says it can't find this URL. Kevin (and the link from your page says it contains no data) From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jul 30 12:09:59 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA30803; Fri, 30 Jul 1999 12:09:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 12:09:59 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990730160023.28608.rocketmail@web113.yahoomail.com> Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 09:00:23 -0700 (PDT) From: dan sumner Subject: Re: 145BPM=?milliseconds To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"HA23q3.0.Zt6.lnSet"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7224 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com have you read Crytonomicon by Neil Stevenson? --- Tim Nelson wrote: > I absolutely hated mathematics in school, but now > that nobody's making me > do it, I can enjoy it a lot more, especially when > it's for a practical > purpose like this one! > > Since there are 60,000 ms in a minute, 60k divided > by the bpm = ms, and 60k > divided by the ms = bpm! (A 500ms delay would > translate to 120bpm, 60bpm = > 1000ms, 30bpm = 2000ms, etc.) Wow! > > So 145bpm would be 413.7931035ms or thereabouts... > Doubling or halving (or > quadrupling or quartering, etc.) the settings would > sound good too. > > I think I'll go speedread Godel, Escher and Bach > now... where's that pocket > protector? > > Tim > > (ps: I hear the movie "PI" is great, according to > several list members, > although I STILL haven't seen it. Maybe if I watch > it, I'll get so stoked > I'll calculate the input and output impedences of > every instrument, device > and amp in my whole rig so I can finally gain-stage > the damned thing... > REAL excitement, I gotta tell ya! > > At 01:30 PM 7/29/99 -0700, you wrote: > > > >does anyone have the equation relating BPM to > >milliseconds? > > _____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jul 30 12:30:44 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA05925; Fri, 30 Jul 1999 12:30:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 12:30:44 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <004d01bedaa8$0bf7c260$02585858@timspc> From: "american qabalah" To: References: <000a01beda38$e28a70e0$265bdfc8@doutor> <004501beda44$2ef21180$02585858@timspc> <37A13D4B.F6D5A107@home.com> Subject: Re: Still seeking advice on a good portable 16-track HD recorder Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 11:24:18 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: <"YgjTe1.0.zj.i5Tet"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7225 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Uhh ... Who makes it? Features? Price range? Ease of use? Thanks ----- Original Message ----- From: Neil Goldstein To: Sent: Friday, July 30, 1999 12:51 AM Subject: Re: Still seeking advice on a good portable 16-track HD recorder > american qabalah wrote: > > > Anyone have any experience with them? I'm trying to graduate up from my > > lovely-yet-enormous Akai DR8. > > VS1680 > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jul 30 12:45:27 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA11567; Fri, 30 Jul 1999 12:45:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 12:45:27 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199907301636.JAA23024@scv3.apple.com> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 11:36:53 -0500 Subject: FS: Vortex (2) From: "Travis Hartnett" To: "Looper's Delight" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"PuEET1.0.K62.HJTet"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7226 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com from Harmony Central, direct all inquiries to: crustdog@yahoo.com TH ********************************* 2 Lexicon Vortex's!! Asking Price: US$N/A Condition: Mint Age: N/A Description: Excellent shape. You know this one- morphing between two different effects are it's specialty. And with the Lexicon name, you know it's good. I've got 2 of these, but i need to order the footswitches for both of them (if i order them tomorrow, they'll be here by tues.). let me have an offer. i'm pretty sure these will go fast. Seller: Robert Johnson, E-mail: crustdog@yahoo.com (Profile) Location: MALONE, NY Post Date: 7/29/99 From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jul 30 15:03:25 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA03935; Fri, 30 Jul 1999 15:03:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 15:03:25 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <01BEDA81.808097A0.curbfeeler@transworld-lax.com> From: Steve Han Reply-To: "curbfeeler@transworld-lax.com" To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Cc: "'SoundFNR@aol.com'" Subject: RE: Leo, Help! Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 11:47:44 -0700 Organization: Transworld Freight Systems X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"j77Ef.0.Fe.kIVet"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7228 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hello Andy, Event Electronics Tech support is usually very prompt. Hmmm. Maybe they are too busy working on 24bit for the Gina?? Hmmmm. As for the "crackling" vinyl sound on the Gina, some musicians are seeking that exact effect. Are you sure you want to get rid of it ?!?! No, seriously now... (very stale humor, sorry) Have you checked out the possibility of "static"? If the "sizzle" comes back on and off, then perhaps the problem might be "static electricity" messing with your system. Try neutralizing your computer system by touching a metal part of the Gina card (at the port) and to another metal component on the floor, possibly not on the carpet (which as you know is the cause of most static mayhem, along with our own bodies). Also, perhaps the static problem and solution lies somewhere else other than the Gina card. Try checking your connecting lines, mixer, and audio system by isolating each components and testing them separtately without the Gina card in the configuration. If it is not "static", the Gina I/O ports might be defective or damaged. One way to check this out is to gently giggle the cables while playing. Another thing that comes to mind is that the "sizzle" might have occured during the actual recording, especially if the signal is "audio" in which there might be a defective device in your audio chain. (low battery, bad jacks, etc.) In addition, TV, Radio, Stereo, Wireless Phones, Kitchen appliances, Air-conditioning, and anything electrical can cause temporary flux of voltage if suddenly "turned on" or "off" even if you have a "surge protector". I know this is drastic but try using an electric outlet that is drawing power separately from the outside power line. If this is too much to arrange or not possible, then try using the particular electric outlet from one side of the wall, just dedicated to powering your computer system, not intermingling with other instruments/devices' power source. Without hearing the "sizzle" in action, I'm just guessing the above. I hope one of these will do the trick. If not, take the Gina back to the dealer. Event Electronics offers 1 year warantee for repairs or exchange. Good luck. Steve "Curbie" Andy wrote: -----Original Message----- From: SoundFNR@aol.com [SMTP:SoundFNR@aol.com] Sent: Friday, July 30, 1999 2:36 AM To: curbfeeler@transworld-lax.com Subject: Re: Leo, Help! In a message dated 28/07/99 22:04:13 GMT Daylight Time, curbfeeler@transworld-lax.com writes: > I've sent couple of emails to Event Elect. but they did > not respond as of today. me too, I've got a Gina which produces occaisional vinyl type crackles . emailed over a week ago. no reply. although last time I tried them they answered quite quick. Wish I could help you but my VST knowledge runs to ' it's expensive isn't it?' Andy Butler Lexicon Vortex Database http://members.aol.com/soundfnr/vortex.htm From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jul 30 15:04:56 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA04114; Fri, 30 Jul 1999 15:04:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 15:04:56 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 13:50:41 -0500 (CDT) Sender: crash@waste.org From: Todd Madson To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: A minor correction... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"q3V-U3.0.Bb.NHVet"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7227 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sorry about giving the wrong address for my MP3 files. It's: http://webriffs.dhs.org/ NOT dhs.net. Sorry. Todd Madson Musician, Mountain Biker, Stunt Kite Flyer, BeOS/MacOS/Linux/WinNt user. http://www.waste.org/~crash/index.html From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jul 30 16:43:02 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA18579; Fri, 30 Jul 1999 16:43:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 16:43:02 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <37A2099F.7DC7B524@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 16:22:57 -0400 From: David Gross Reply-To: theorcolus@earthlink.net Organization: 144 MUSIC X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V99 #302 References: <199907300134.VAA00384@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"vLClE3.0.Xq3.VdWet"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7229 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com The movie "Pi" is truly excellent. BTW I am in the process of reading GEB and just bought the Bach "Musical Offering" I truly great piece! There seems to be a big hoopla on the "Bass" newsgroups about the Boomerang. David Gross "a great musician needs to be committed!' www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Venue/7773/ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Jul 31 03:48:54 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA05717; Sat, 31 Jul 1999 03:48:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 03:48:54 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <00ea01bedb21$ff8d3300$21c2d6d1@oemcomputer> From: "Elaine Walters" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: Continuous Control Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 01:57:29 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00E5_01BEDAF8.0BF1E7A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"PDBLL1.0.W6.bxfet"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7230 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00E5_01BEDAF8.0BF1E7A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Finally back on the list again. Ok, I've been using a MIDI guitar = switching system for several years now, complete with big MIDI foot = controller and volume pedals plugged in acting as continuous controlers. = I admit that I'm not really in-the-know when it comes to higher end = MIDI territory, so I'm gonna have to display my ignorance for everyone = to see. Seems that there should be something out there that would allow = me to plug in a big 'ol bunch of volume pedals into one device (and then = translate it all to MIDI info) so that I could have a whole bunch of = continuous control pedals going at one time. All of the MIDI = footcontrollers I've ever seen have two inputs for volume pedals?? Why = two?? Damnit I want to have twenty volume/expression pedals on the = floor in front of me. Each one linked to different parameters on all my = various toys (via this cool, imaginary device). What am I missing = here?? I have a feeling the answer is so simple that I'm going to look = very foolish. Oh well. =20 Micah H. =20 ------=_NextPart_000_00E5_01BEDAF8.0BF1E7A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Finally back on the list again.  Ok, I've been = using a=20 MIDI guitar switching system for several years now, complete with big = MIDI foot=20 controller and volume pedals plugged in acting as continuous = controlers.  I=20 admit that I'm not really in-the-know when it comes to higher end MIDI=20 territory, so I'm gonna have to display my ignorance for everyone to = see. =20 Seems that there should be something out there that would allow me to = plug in a=20 big 'ol bunch of volume pedals into one device (and then translate it = all to=20 MIDI info) so that I could have a whole bunch of continuous control = pedals going=20 at one time.  All of the MIDI footcontrollers I've ever seen have = two=20 inputs for volume pedals??  Why two??  Damnit I want to have = twenty=20 volume/expression pedals on the floor in front of me.  Each one = linked to=20 different parameters on all my various toys (via this cool, imaginary=20 device).  What am I missing here??  I have a feeling the = answer is so=20 simple that I'm going to look very foolish.  Oh=20 well.  
Micah H. 
------=_NextPart_000_00E5_01BEDAF8.0BF1E7A0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Jul 31 04:10:20 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA07643; Sat, 31 Jul 1999 04:10:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 04:10:20 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Dlangenes@aol.com Message-ID: <1788d92e.24d40441@aol.com> Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 03:48:17 EDT Subject: Gerry Leonard w/Jonatha Brooke To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 10 Resent-Message-ID: <"gxYBt3.0.sQ1.Dgget"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7231 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi all---Is anyone familiar with Jonatha Brooke's new live record? I'm nuts about the tone her guitarist, Gerry Leonard, has. Would love to know what he's playing through. ?? David From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Jul 31 05:40:18 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA14294; Sat, 31 Jul 1999 05:40:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 05:40:18 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990731092112.1922.rocketmail@web107.yahoomail.com> Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 02:21:12 -0700 (PDT) From: John Tidwell Subject: Re: Continuous Control To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"Y2VIr2.0.AC3.C1iet"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7232 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I think I rememeber reading that the Roland FC-200 could accomodate up to 6 or 7 expression pedals. That's the most that I've heard of. John --- Elaine Walters wrote: > Finally back on the list again. Ok, I've been using > a MIDI guitar switching system for several years > now, complete with big MIDI foot controller and > volume pedals plugged in acting as continuous > controlers. I admit that I'm not really in-the-know > when it comes to higher end MIDI territory, so I'm > gonna have to display my ignorance for everyone to > see. Seems that there should be something out there > that would allow me to plug in a big 'ol bunch of > volume pedals into one device (and then translate it > all to MIDI info) so that I could have a whole bunch > of continuous control pedals going at one time. All > of the MIDI footcontrollers I've ever seen have two > inputs for volume pedals?? Why two?? Damnit I want > to have twenty volume/expression pedals on the floor > in front of me. Each one linked to different > parameters on all my various toys (via this cool, > imaginary device). What am I missing here?? I have > a feeling the answer is so simple that I'm going to > look very foolish. Oh well. > Micah H. > === John Tidwell _____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Jul 31 09:48:02 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA31882; Sat, 31 Jul 1999 09:48:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 09:48:02 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Phaedebk@aol.com Message-ID: <61216e4b.24d4543f@aol.com> Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 09:29:35 EDT Subject: Re: Still seeking advice on a good portable 16-track HD recorder To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 14 Resent-Message-ID: <"I0a9Q1.0.WS7.Hglet"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7233 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Qabalah, It's made by Roland US, and they are typically in the $1200.00 to $1600.00 US price range. Really happening and simple units, though you'll need to be a bit gentle with it. Check out http://www.rolandus.com for more information... I believe it's another 8 track, but another option is the few that are mini disk recorders, but then you start really dealing with compression issues. Tchus, Lee-ohki. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Jul 31 10:31:56 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA04410; Sat, 31 Jul 1999 10:31:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 10:31:56 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Doug Lawrence" To: Subject: RE: More Roland VS info Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 10:27:55 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <61216e4b.24d4543f@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: <"UTsom.0.4z.WVmet"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7234 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I have been using a Roland VS-1680 for the last year and I love it. I use it in a small project studio and to record live shows. Check out http://www.vsplanet.com for more detailed info. They are now shipping the new VS's with Logic Audio VS, which integrates the VS with your computer via MIDI. FWIW, Korg announced a unit much like the VS-1680 called the D16, but somewhat more powerful and smaller to be available in the Fall. http://www.harmonycentral.com/Newp/SNAMM99/Korg/D16.html What's interesting is that it has a built-in drum machine and tuner. I guess I'll just wait for the Roland VS-2480. ;-) -----Original Message----- From: Phaedebk@aol.com [mailto:Phaedebk@aol.com] Sent: Saturday, July 31, 1999 9:30 AM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Still seeking advice on a good portable 16-track HD recorder Qabalah, It's made by Roland US, and they are typically in the $1200.00 to $1600.00 US price range. Really happening and simple units, though you'll need to be a bit gentle with it. Check out http://www.rolandus.com for more information... I believe it's another 8 track, but another option is the few that are mini disk recorders, but then you start really dealing with compression issues. Tchus, Lee-ohki. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Jul 31 12:52:36 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA18527; Sat, 31 Jul 1999 12:52:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 12:52:36 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: stevek@msidata.com Sender: "Steve Kraninger" To: Subject: RE: Continuous Control Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 11:44:37 -0500 Message-ID: <000201bedb74$2a1bb220$0fc7bec6@spk.msi> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0003_01BEDB4A.4145AA20" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <00ea01bedb21$ff8d3300$21c2d6d1@oemcomputer> Resent-Message-ID: <"eVwUi3.0.vH4.qVoet"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7235 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0003_01BEDB4A.4145AA20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit ... Seems that there should be something out there that would allow me to plug in a big 'ol bunch of volume pedals into one device (and then translate it all to MIDI info) so that I could have a whole bunch of continuous control pedals going at one time.   ...   I have a device from ANATEK, I don't know if they still exist.  It allows you to use one volume pedal, and a push button switch and it outputs contiuous controller and button press MIDI info.  The box is small (about 1"x1"x2") costs under $100 and is powered from the MIDI device it is connected to (no batteries).  ANATEK made many small special purpose boxes (midi merge, channel translate, ...).  Maybe you can find them somewhere.       ------=_NextPart_000_0003_01BEDB4A.4145AA20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
...=20 Seems that there should be something out = there that=20 would allow me to plug in a big 'ol bunch of volume pedals into one = device (and=20 then translate it all to MIDI info) so that I could have a whole bunch = of=20 continuous control pedals going at one time.  =20 ...
 
I have a device from ANATEK, I don't know if they still = exist.  It=20 allows you to use one volume pedal, and a push button switch and it = outputs=20 contiuous controller and button press MIDI info.  The box is small = (about=20 1"x1"x2") costs under $100 and is powered from the MIDI = device it=20 is connected to (no batteries).  ANATEK made many small special = purpose=20 boxes (midi merge, channel translate, ...).  Maybe you can find = them=20 somewhere.
 
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_0003_01BEDB4A.4145AA20-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Jul 31 18:51:11 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA22660; Sat, 31 Jul 1999 18:51:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 18:51:11 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199907312246.SAA15766@mail.netaxs.com> From: "Don \"Mango\" Pancoe" To: Subject: Re: New looping pedal--Line 6 DL-4 Delay Modeler. Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 16:23:12 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"MO5xr2.0.gP5.Xptet"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7236 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com K. Douglas Baldwin wrote: > All that I would add to my original comment is that I wish these >companies would come up with a *blank canvas* approach... >I also understand that from a >marketing standpoint, this approach is really difficult to sell (no one is >prepared to buy blank canvases because no one sells blank canvases because >no one buys blank canvases....). But this negative-loop reciprocality can be >broken if either the buyer or seller chooses not to play the game. I agree. I also lurk on the Pulsar-DSP mailing list which is (partly) devoted to the Pulsar DSP-based computer sound card - info at http://www.creamware.com. The Pulsar represents a new *blank canvas* approach to DSP-chip based sound processing on your computer. It and/or others like it will, hopefully and eveuntually, be able to do anything sound-processing wise. And to do more and more anythings, just add more DSP farm cards. You are limited only by your dollars (or other local currency) and imagination. The relevance to this thread is that, in spite of its great potential, the Pulsar list is crowded with newbies who whine because the card doesn't do everything the box said it could do all by itself as soon as they turn on their PC. That is the danger of marketing a blank canvas. BTW, Kim, do you think you could port the EDP software to run on the AMD SHARC-based Pulsar? That could help me decide which of the two pieces of hardware I plan to buy. After I pay for the house, the car, the wedding... -- Mango -- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Jul 31 19:32:09 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA27192; Sat, 31 Jul 1999 19:32:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 19:32:09 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <001701bedbaa$18dccf40$02585858@timspc> From: "american qabalah" To: References: Subject: Re: More Roland VS info Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 18:12:00 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: <"ai90s3.0.r36.R9uet"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7237 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thanks for the info, Doug, 1) Re. the D16: I just looked up the specs for the D16. Would someone else go there and give me their take on it? I have a difficult time reading through hype. It appears to me that if you want to use compressionless data, you only get 8 tracks simultaneous playback and 4 (!!!) of simultaneous recording. Four is a long way from 16! It's confusing because it mentions that if you want to do 24-bit 44.1 khz compressionless recording, you're limited to 8/4 tracks. The other option is 16-bit (which allows 16/8 tracks) but it doesn't say whether or not 16-bit mode is compressionless or what the sample rate is. I mean, if the only way you can get it to play back 16 tracks is if you're outputting at low quality, that's kind of cheesy. Plus I didn't find anything about a tuner or a drum machine built in, and the only built-in effect seems to be basically preamp modeling. Please help if you can. The official URL is http://www.korg.com/d16.cfm. I would send them an email directly but when you press the "contact" button on their web page all you get is the opportunity to join their "future" email list. 2) Re. the VS1680 Doug, how is the sound quality? I don't mean to run the word "compressionless" into the ground but I'd rather like to have it. From the DM16 info I just read, it seems that your VS1680 is actually better. 3) Does anyone have any experience with other 16-track portable HD recorders? Does anyone use their computer as a multitrack recorder and if so, how many tracks, and what do you think the minimum specs for the computer would have to be? Tim ----- Original Message ----- From: Doug Lawrence To: Sent: Saturday, July 31, 1999 9:27 AM Subject: RE: More Roland VS info > I have been using a Roland VS-1680 for the last year and I love it. I use it > in a small project studio and to record live shows. Check out > http://www.vsplanet.com for more detailed info. They are now shipping the > new VS's with Logic Audio VS, which integrates the VS with your computer via > MIDI. > > FWIW, Korg announced a unit much like the VS-1680 called the D16, but > somewhat more powerful and smaller to be available in the Fall. > http://www.harmonycentral.com/Newp/SNAMM99/Korg/D16.html What's interesting > is that it has a built-in drum machine and tuner. > > I guess I'll just wait for the Roland VS-2480. ;-) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Phaedebk@aol.com [mailto:Phaedebk@aol.com] > Sent: Saturday, July 31, 1999 9:30 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Subject: Re: Still seeking advice on a good portable 16-track HD > recorder > > > Qabalah, > > It's made by Roland US, and they are typically in the $1200.00 to > $1600.00 US price range. Really happening and simple units, though you'll > need to be a bit gentle with it. > > Check out http://www.rolandus.com for more information... > > I believe it's another 8 track, but another option is the few that are > mini disk recorders, but then you start really dealing with compression > issues. > > Tchus, > > Lee-ohki. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Jul 31 19:34:12 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA27535; Sat, 31 Jul 1999 19:34:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 19:34:12 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <002301bedbaa$e0cb5da0$02585858@timspc> From: "american qabalah" To: Subject: Re: New looping pedal--Line 6 DL-4 Delay Modeler (DUH) Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 18:17:35 -0500 X-Priority: 5 X-MSMail-Priority: Low X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: <"2KRH11.0.QC6.gEuet"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7239 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com You put a URL on your original post. Sorry for the dumbass question, Tim ----- Original Message ----- From: american qabalah To: Sent: Saturday, July 31, 1999 6:16 PM Subject: Re: New looping pedal--Line 6 DL-4 Delay Modeler. > > The relevance to this thread is that, in spite of its great potential, the > > Pulsar list is crowded with newbies who whine because the card doesn't do > > everything the box said it could do all by itself as soon as they turn on > > their PC. That is the danger of marketing a blank canvas. > > How does it work? Are you expected to write the processing algorithms for it > by yourself? Do you have a URL for this thing? I'd like to check it out. > > Thanks > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Jul 31 19:34:43 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA27574; Sat, 31 Jul 1999 19:34:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 19:34:43 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <001d01bedbaa$b989ed60$02585858@timspc> From: "american qabalah" To: References: <199907312246.SAA15766@mail.netaxs.com> Subject: Re: New looping pedal--Line 6 DL-4 Delay Modeler. Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 18:16:30 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: <"U1J__2.0.3A6.eDuet"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7238 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > The relevance to this thread is that, in spite of its great potential, the > Pulsar list is crowded with newbies who whine because the card doesn't do > everything the box said it could do all by itself as soon as they turn on > their PC. That is the danger of marketing a blank canvas. How does it work? Are you expected to write the processing algorithms for it by yourself? Do you have a URL for this thing? I'd like to check it out. Thanks From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Jul 31 23:49:29 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA24418; Sat, 31 Jul 1999 23:49:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 23:49:29 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Doug Lawrence" To: Subject: RE: More Roland VS info Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 23:25:27 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <001701bedbaa$18dccf40$02585858@timspc> Resent-Message-ID: <"XtPtL1.0.2J5.Tuxet"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7240 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >> It's confusing because it mentions that if you want >> to do 24-bit 44.1 khz compressionless recording, you're >> limited to 8/4 tracks. The other option is 16-bit (which >> allows 16/8 tracks) but it doesn't say whether or not >> 16-bit mode is compressionless or what the sample rate is. There's a couple of issues with this. First, the Roland VS has (4) modes it can record in; LIV, MT2, MT1, and MAS, from lowest quality to highest. In all modes, some sort of compression algorithm is used by the VS to get the data on the hard drive called MDAC, which is a proprietary algorithm developed by Roland. I don't know the specifics and there is much confusion as to how MDAC really works and how it integrates with the on-board 20-bit AD converters, and how "lossy" this algorithm really is. Since most of what I record is bound for CD, which is a 16-bit format, I use the MT1 format which is suppose to be a 20-bit format for editing to compromise between sound quality and hard drive savings. To me, I've never like ADAT and I could always hear a loss of quality. Plus, why should I have to wait for the tape to cue up all the time ... hard drives are the way to go in my book. >> Plus I didn't find anything about a tuner or a drum machine >> built in, and the only built-in effect seems to be basically >> preamp modeling. On the Harmony Central press ad, they specifically mention a integrated drum machine and chromatic tuner. >> Doug, how is the sound quality? I'm not going to run the whole digital vs. analog argument. That's what rec.pro.audio is for, but for my purposes, it works great. The portability factor was the decisionary factor for me. I also found that the input preamps don't offer much headroom, so it's better to use a better outboard preamp and possibly compression to help control signal spikes. I use a Mackie board and a Presonus or Mindprint compressor which do a great job for the $$$$ >> Does anyone have any experience with other 16-track portable HD recorders? I don't know if any really exist other than the Roland. Maybe the Akai DPS12? >> Does anyone use their computer as a multitrack recorder and if so, how many >> tracks, and what do you think the minimum specs for the computer would have to >> be? The biggest issue with computer based recording is disk I/O. I would recommend getting a Ultra2 SCSI drive subsystem with a quality hard drive such as the IBM Ultrastar or Seagate Cheetah drives. As always, put your OS on a separate partition from the drive you are actually recording on. If you are running Windows NT, split the memory page file across the drives as well. I use this type of setup with Cakewalk 8.0, but I'm switching over Logic Audio 4.0 since it integrates with the VS-1680. Also, if you are buying a new PC (please don't flame me on the MAC vs. PC issue), wait until after September 5th when Intel is announcing their new i820 chipset which will introduce 133Mhz back plane for PCs and AGP 4x for video. It will either lower the price of the machine you want today, or give you a new hardware standard to but into.