From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 1 00:12:13 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id AAA03387; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 00:12:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 00:12:13 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990331232832.007b5800@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: leper@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 23:28:32 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: "earthblind, starbound" Subject: new grendel song for april Cc: ytsejam@ax.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"bbXOs.0.RF7.RQl0t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4880 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi, my list fellows. Well, though it isn't QUITE april yet, it will be soon, and there's a new Grendel song up. Grendel is, well, the only constant is that it's electronic. I used to call it progressive, but since prog is stagnating so harshly, I don't anymore. (: This song, "Arizona Bay, Part 1," is a nice monologue with soundscape. There are no synths on this recording (I always wanted to say that ... look, I'm david torn). All the music is produced by flute, so if you want to see what you can do with acoustic instruments, check it out at http://listen.to/grendel or the URL in the sig. Look under "Songs" for the song, and have fun. -- Listen to Grendel (ambient/signal music) at http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Atrium/4664/grendel.html Or dont. Other stuff: http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Atrium/4664 From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 1 00:37:37 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id AAA12495; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 00:37:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 00:37:37 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990401050423.65583.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [209.240.200.56] From: "j lars" To: jparada@changenow.com, loopers-delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: sustain pedal] Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 21:04:23 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"t2Ob_1.0.sc.Awl0t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4881 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >From: John + Diane Parada >Reply-To: jparada@changenow.com >To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com >Subject: [Fwd: Re: sustain pedal] >Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 17:17:49 -0500 > >> >> I haven't heard it, but Tech 21 has a combo compression/distortion pedal >> that sounds like it might be likely to provide sustain and distortion not >> unlike the Boss pedal someone mentioned... > >i've also heard of COMPTORTION from tech21 the ads look really cool. has >anyone played with one? anybody have any info about the moogerfooger. >bob moog makes these things. well i really dont know enough to even >describe but if any one does please do....jp > > if you go to www.bigbriar.com ,they have sound samples of the moogerfooger there. they play a theremin though it. Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 1 01:06:50 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id BAA24586; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 01:06:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 01:06:50 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <6142e4e5.370303d1@aol.com> Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 00:27:45 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Jam Man Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 Resent-Message-ID: <"6St5j3.0.dU2.jKm0t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4882 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com cliff...if ya got the scoot, buy everthing ya can........michael From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 1 01:50:27 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id BAA32254; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 01:50:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 01:50:27 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 01:17:42 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: new grendel song for april Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 Resent-Message-ID: <"lVUVx.0.AB7.J2n0t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4883 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 4/1/99 4:11:19 AM Mid-Atlantic Daylight Time, leper@mindspring.com writes: << http://listen.to/grendel >> well worth the visit.....michael From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 1 06:47:56 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id GAA22457; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 06:47:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 06:47:56 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199904011140.GAA23060@ulster.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 06:39:50 -0500 Subject: Re: EDP search From: "jmw/cmu" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Ggzos1.0.AH5.Vir0t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4884 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >Dear all, just wondering if anyone has got any ideas where I can get an >EDP from? Good luck w/ finding one - I recently heard (from another list ) that Gibson/Electar was halting production for 60-90 days.I wonder why.... >I'm in the UK but am coming over to New York to do a show on >the 14th at the Bowery is it agoo d place? Any help in locating one >would be fantastic. I'm only over a couple of days 11th through 15th >thats the problem. Where are you playing in NYC? sincerely, jmw From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 1 08:20:52 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id IAA30304; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 08:20:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 08:20:52 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990401080536.00a4e6e0@pop.simons-rock.edu> X-Sender: nick@pop.simons-rock.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 08:05:36 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: nick ring Subject: Re: Jam Man In-Reply-To: <3702C73A.365736F9@earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"ajDLf2.0.X37.0zs0t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4885 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Clifford, that's a pretty good deal these days...the prices on those things are so inflated. From what I can tell the EDP is the way to go, but there's nothing wrong w/ having both, is there? If you decide you don't want the Jamman, may I butt in and offer myself as a reciepient. I haven't been able to afford the EDP or the inflated Jamman. THough you've probably got similar offers. -nick At 05:09 PM 3/31/99 -0800, you wrote: >Hi all- > >i am expecting my EDP tomorrow but I also found a used Jam Man for $199 >bucks- I dont know any of the specs but do any of you know how I can sus >it out by turning it on? Does the screen show you if it is updated, or >how much memory etc? I got an itch to buy it but I have heard about some >update for it and that the zip mem is expensive for it as well- so if I >knew how to assess it I just might end up with a Jam Man and an EDP at >the same darn time! > >Thanks, > >Clifford > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 1 08:34:38 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id IAA31972; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 08:34:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 08:34:38 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.32.19990401151533.006d21e0@net.ganymed.org> X-Sender: lorenz@net.ganymed.org X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 15:39:33 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: U*phonic Subject: FS:looper and other gear Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"-3Qdr.0.Sb7.4It0t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4886 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com hi fellows, if someone's interrested in a delay which offers a possibilty of looping (it's a delay, not a 'real' looper!!!), let me know. i'm selling my KEN MULTI-DELAY, which is a relly weird machine... requires one single rackspace make your offer send me offers privatly got some other gear for sale (lexicon lxp-1, lxp-15, urei compressor, 1 bass, speakers, amp, ...) for more detailed list mail to: U*phonic lorenz From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 1 09:17:11 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id JAA04451; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 09:17:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 09:17:11 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <002e01be7c48$831b5a50$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: Subject: Re: To VLZ or not to VLZ! (OT) Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 09:04:08 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"lDI3M.0.mx.xvt0t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4888 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hey, Patrick, could you give us a system diagram of your set-up? And break a leg at the Showcase! Dennis Leas ----------------------------- dennis@mdbs.com -----Original Message----- From: Patrick Smith To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Wednesday, March 31, 1999 11:46 PM Subject: Re: To VLZ or not to VLZ! (OT) >I can't compare VLZ and non vlz, but I used a 1202VLZ for about two years >and then picked up a 1604VLZ. What is great about this mixer for looping >for me is that I have effects on the sends and my looping devices currently >two plexs and a jam man, but at other times three jammers and a Time >Machine on the subouts. >My effects are coming back into channel strips and then by the push of a >button I can sned anything, cleam siganls or effecte to the looping >devices. I can even feed the looping devices to one another. > >Very very cool and mucho fun. > >BTW we are opening for Daevid Allen in baltimore at the Orion Progressive >Rock Showcase on April 10th. Go to < >http://www.progrock.net/shows/showcase/ for more information. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 1 09:04:42 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id JAA03046; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 09:04:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 09:04:42 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 08:53:59 -0500 (EST) From: billfox@lucent.com (William_B_Fox) Message-Id: <199904011353.IAA28002@badboy.micro.lucent.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Moogerfooger Resent-Message-ID: <"BJ3-T2.0.YT.Dht0t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4887 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > Loopers-Delight-d Digest Volume 99 : Issue 130 > ------------------------------ > Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 21:04:23 PST > From: "j lars" > To: jparada@changenow.com, loopers-delight@annihilist.com > Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: sustain pedal] > [ ...snip... ] > if you go to www.bigbriar.com ,they have sound samples of the > moogerfooger there. they play a theremin though it. > ------------------------------ > End of Loopers-Delight-d Digest V99 Issue #130 > ********************************************** Moogerfooger is not a device, it's a brand name. There are two Moogerfooger devices reviewed in the recent KEYBOARD. One is an envelope follower-LPF (Moog ladder style) and the other is a Ring Modulator. I don't know if there are any other devices in the Moogerfooger line, but you can bet that I'll check out the URL you kindly provided! Bill BillFox@lucent.com http://wdiyfm.org ============================================================================== Host of Emusic, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. Email me if you wish to submit music for airplay consideration. ============================================================================== Get all digital synths. Give me your Xpanders. Trust Kate Bush and everyone who even remotely looks like her. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 1 14:15:12 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id OAA17685; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 14:15:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 14:15:12 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <01BE7C2F.140C2540.stevehan@transworld-lax.com> From: Steve Han Reply-To: "stevehan@transworld-lax.com" To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: ReBirth RA-338 Mods Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 10:38:49 -0800 Organization: Transworld Freight Systems X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"CF4MS2.0.Fi3.gEy0t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4889 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hello! Does anyone know of any sites offering free ReBirth RA-338 Mods for downloading? Thanks in advance. Steve (Curbie) From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 1 16:12:31 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id QAA23704; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 16:12:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 16:12:31 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990401155809.00a5cd70@pop.simons-rock.edu> X-Sender: nick@pop.simons-rock.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 15:58:09 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: nick ring Subject: Re: Jam Man In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.19990401080536.00a4e6e0@pop.simons-rock.edu> References: <3702C73A.365736F9@earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"tliQh.0.h85._tz0t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4890 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Ach! I did it. I always watch other people accidentally send private messages publicly, not checking the send-to line. And, what's worse, I misspelled at least one word: receive. Sorry. -nick From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 1 16:43:17 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id QAA29245; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 16:43:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 16:43:17 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <001601be7c86$cd20e6e0$d49bfea9@sgoodman> Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: <3702C73A.365736F9@earthlink.net> <3.0.6.32.19990401155809.00a5cd70@pop.simons-rock.edu> Subject: Re: Jam Man Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 13:28:16 -0800 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Resent-Message-ID: <"fun8U1.0.tc6.DM-0t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4891 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com That's it! Bring out the burning tongs! :) From: nick ring > Ach! I did it. I always watch other people > accidentally send private messages publicly, not > checking the send-to line. And, what's worse, > I misspelled at least one word: receive. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 1 17:49:00 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id RAA09616; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 17:49:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 17:49:00 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f MBOX-Line: From jan 02 Apr 1999 00:12:00 +0200 remote from iguana.oche.de Date: 02 Apr 1999 00:12:00 +0200 From: jan@iguana.oche.de (Jan Plogmann) Sender: jan@iguana.oche.de (Jan Plogmann) To: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Message-ID: <7E6AGqLkcHB@iguana.oche.de> Subject: Re: fretless ? X-Mailer: CrossPoint v3.11 R/C54321 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Nj6yQ3.0.Mj.m0_0t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4892 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > I don't remember what it was called, but I had the opportunity to play > around with a Boss pedal that was a distortion/feedback unit. While > not as cool a gadget as the Sustainer, it had a similar sound. One > nice feature (or misfeature depending on your point of view) was that > it'd only use the feedback mode while the pedal was held down. > > Unfortunately, Boss doesn't make these boxes any more and they seem > pretty rare in the used gear market. I loved the thing and I've > searched, but haven't ever seen another. Keep an eye out for an > orange Boss pedal with Distortion/Feedback on the top (not to be > confused with their orange Overdrive pedal) and give it a try if you > find one. Hi! Its called the Super Distortion&Feedbacker DF-2. Its a good distortion unit, while you stomp on it it grabs the single note that you are playing and emulates a feedback tune. The bad thing is that the "feedback" sounds like a cheap organ, but if you enhance it with phaser,delay etc. you can achive cool sounds. And if the sound is not cool, you can always put the blame on the keyboarder ;) I wont sell my DF-2... Jan listen.to/substitute From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 1 20:19:15 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id UAA06705; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 20:19:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 20:19:15 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <000701be7d01$3365c720$03000004@w9i3q0> From: yalay@superonline.com (Mahmut Yalay) To: Subject: delete me Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 04:06:09 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0004_01BE7CBE.23AFB220" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"TZiKn1.0.fx.IZ11t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4893 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BE7CBE.23AFB220 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable hi ,=20 would you please delete my request about a jamman, I am not looking for it anymore, thanks yalay@superonline.com ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BE7CBE.23AFB220 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
hi ,
would you please delete my request = about a=20 jamman,
I am not looking for it anymore,=20 thanks
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------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BE7CBE.23AFB220-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 1 22:10:16 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id WAA25099; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 22:10:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 22:10:16 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 21:55:12 -0500 (EST) From: mister gone To: excuse me? excuse me? excuse me? Subject: akai headrush Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"c2lra2.0.ME5.S731t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4894 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com anyone seen one? heard one? thoughts? i gave up asking the sound list about it... i don't think i'm on drone_gear anymore... oh, and, hi, i'm eric... ;) - j . e r i c s h a l l o p "deep in my heart, i have a eshallop@netdirect.net great hate for music." (saddest new kid on the block) - blixa bargeld From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 2 02:14:32 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id CAA14320; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 02:14:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 02:14:32 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Alan Imberg" To: Subject: Re: akai headrush Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 23:07:02 -0800 Message-ID: <01be7cd7$684f6880$1d08c0d8@default> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"t_eJw1.0.jD3.Vp61t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4895 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I placed an order with American Music Supply for an Akai Headrush. Unfortunately, they are on back-order. It was due March 25th but the date has moved to April 25th. I'm eagerly awaiting its arrival. My sense is that there aren't a whole lot of these pedals out there yet. It was just introduced at the recent NAMM show in January. When I receive it, I'll post an update. -----Original Message----- From: mister gone To: excuse me? excuse me? excuse me? Date: Thursday, April 01, 1999 7:10 PM Subject: akai headrush >anyone seen one? heard one? thoughts? i gave up asking the sound list >about it... i don't think i'm on drone_gear anymore... > >oh, and, hi, i'm eric... ;) > >- j . e r i c s h a l l o p "deep in my heart, i have a > eshallop@netdirect.net great hate for music." >(saddest new kid on the block) - blixa bargeld > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 2 09:07:32 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id JAA30517; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 09:07:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 09:07:32 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 08:55:29 -0500 (EST) From: mister gone To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: akai headrush In-Reply-To: <01be7cd7$684f6880$1d08c0d8@default> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"k2iK83.0.L87.ToC1t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4896 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com On Thu, 1 Apr 1999, Alan Imberg wrote: > I placed an order with American Music Supply for an Akai Headrush. > Unfortunately, they are on back-order. It was due March 25th but the date > has moved to April 25th. I'm eagerly awaiting its arrival. My sense is that > there aren't a whole lot of these pedals out there yet. It was just > introduced at the recent NAMM show in January. When I receive it, I'll post > an update. yeah, that's the catalog i saw it in, as well. i dropped akai and email about availability and dealers in my area, so let's see if they reply - if they do, i'll let you know. ______________________________ ___________________________ - j . e r i c s h a l l o p "deep in my heart, i have a eshallop@netdirect.net great hate for music." (saddest new kid on the block) - blixa bargeld From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 2 12:29:47 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id MAA23652; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 12:29:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 12:29:47 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 09:59:33 -0500 (EST) From: billfox@lucent.com (William_B_Fox) Message-Id: <199904021459.JAA29529@badboy.micro.lucent.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: EMUSIC Playlist Resent-Message-ID: <"zRUJC2.0.621.wkD1t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4898 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Playlist for "EMUSIC" "Emusic," an electronic, ambient, and space music show, airs each Thursday at 11pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ. http://www.wdiyfm.org/schedule/s_emusic.html Show #108 April 1, 1999. Host: Bill Fox http://www.wdiyfm.org billfox@fast.net On this show, I began a month-long focus on British synthesist Paul Nagle, a prominent member of the GoldTri mailing list. The feature CD at midnight was "Wavemaker" on AMP Records, disc one in a series of four. Paul Nagle : http://www.softroom.freeserve.co.uk EMUSIC Focus : http://www.wdiyfm.org/emusic/playlists/focus.html The sixth annual Alfa-Centauri Electronic Music Festival will take place on April 10 in Huizen, the Netherlands at the Theatre 3-in-1. The next Star's End Gathering will take place on April 24 at St. Mary's Church in Philadelphia. Music of some of the artists who will perform at these events was played in the first hour of the show. Alfa-Centauri : http://home.wxs.nl/~quantumproductions RAMP : http:/www.netz-gronau.de/ramp Redshift : http://www.users.dircon.co.uk/~redshift T-Bass UK : http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~dhughes/tbass.html Star's End : http://www.starsend.org Spacecraft : http://spaceformusic.com/spacecraft.html EMUSIC Events : http://www.wdiyfm.org/emusic/events.html ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== 11:00 pm S.O.C. 7 Dance of the Planets Mission Critical (none) Spacecraft Dialogues of Energy Hummel (Lektronic Soundscapes) Redshift Bombers in the Desert Ether (Champagne Lake) RAMP Dauerschlaf Untitled CD-R from RAMP VA [T-Bass UK] A question of Time GoldTri: Volume One (Stonker) Richard Bone Nocturna The Spectral Ships (Hypnos) Robert Carty Arching Horizon Cloud Pull (Deep Sky) 12:00 am Paul Nagle Wavemaker Wavemaker (AMP) Paul Nagle Silent Depths Wavemaker (AMP) Paul Nagle In Another Story Wavemaker (AMP) Paul Nagle Western Moon Wavemaker (AMP) Paul Nagle Secret Spaces Wavemaker (AMP) Paul Nagle China Sea Wavemaker (AMP) Paul Nagle Becalmed Wavemaker (AMP) Paul Nagle Ajna Wavemaker (AMP) Paul Nagle Poseidon's Realm Wavemaker (AMP) Paul Nagle Siren's Farewell Wavemaker (AMP) 1:00 am * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) On the next EMUSIC, I will continue the month-long focus on British synthesizer artist Paul Nagle. The feature CD at midnight will be "Firedancer" on AMP Records, disc 2 in a series of four. Please visit the WDIY web site and navigate through the schedule to the EMUSIC pages. Playlists for every show are there. Hot links to artists and labels can be found in the monthly focus section. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 2 12:30:37 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id MAA23913; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 12:30:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 12:30:37 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 09:49:55 -0500 From: Leander REININGHAUS Subject: RE: Fretless and Sustainer Sender: Leander REININGHAUS To: "INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Message-ID: <199904020951_MC2-7064-12A6@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"KXfN03.0.Xn.JdD1t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4897 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi folkes, right, at the time when I " built " my fretless guitar I took a Fernand= es Stratbody w/sustainer on it, but now I'm working with Sustainiac again. Firstly, because they are the founders of sustainers and their work is still in progress ( I was told that there will be a brandnew model in the near future ! ); secondly, because I'd rather encourage small companies than big ones ( among other reasons for the issue of having a more person= al contact i.e. in terms of special wishes ) and thirdly, because you can purchase a sustainer unit without having to purchase a guitar. If someones's interested, email Mr. Alan Hoover at HooverA@tce.com. = The Boss feedbacker is still featured on the GT-5, but I'd say that a sustainer or even an ebow is a much better tool in both sound and flexibility. I own a GT-5 and I never use the feedbacker, but what one man's ... By the way, someone on the list wanted informations on the Digitech Time Machine's delay time modification Sorry for not answering yet, I had problems with my mailbox and your request was deleted. Please, send again your question and address. Thanks ! Greetings Leander From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 2 15:01:08 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id PAA19888; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 15:01:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 15:01:08 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199904020951_MC2-7064-12A6@compuserve.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 11:46:56 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: RE: time machine delay time mod Resent-Message-ID: <"wmLgS1.0.wJ4.K-H1t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4899 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Leander said: >By the way, someone on the list wanted informations on the Digitech Time >Machine's delay time modification >Sorry for not answering yet, I had problems with my mailbox and your >request was deleted. >Please, send again your question and address. Thanks ! I would like details about that modification to put on the Looper's Delight web pages, in the Time Machine section. Send me the info as text, or make it into some web pages if you can so I can put it up directly. thanks! kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 2 17:21:06 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id RAA13518; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 17:21:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 17:21:06 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <37053E5B.20A86FB8@walkthetalk.com> Date: Fri, 02 Apr 1999 16:02:04 -0600 From: James Johnson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Chapman Stick Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"wiHMq.0.J92.lvJ1t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4900 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hola, I was given this list as a place I might get some info about the Chapman Stick by one of the Patron Saints of Loopland, Mike Nelson (of Boomerang fame) :) So blame HIM if this is too far OT. Ha. So.. I am thinking about buying a Stick. I have the oppourtunity to buy a Polycarb one. No adjustable bridge... Does anyone have an opinion of poly vs. wood? Shoot, does anyone have anything to say about it at all. Double shoot!!! Does anyone have one they want to sell??? James flam@airmail.net From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 2 17:33:51 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id RAA15686; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 17:33:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 17:33:51 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Crossedout@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 17:25:31 EST Subject: slightly off topic - s/pdif cards and .wav files. To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 Reply-To: Crossedout@aol.com Resent-Message-ID: <"XB2T73.0.zY3.pHK1t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4901 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sorry for the off-topic post, but you guys are usually kind to stupid questions. here's the deal - I want to get a decent i/o card for my computer, I am using ADATs to record, and I saw a card that is reasonably priced and will turn my pc into a virtual ADAT, and interface directly with my other equipment. It also features s/pdif ins and outs. Now, if I wanted to take the s/pdif out from my DAT and transfer some music from the DAT into the pc, is there a way I can dump stuff from DATs through the s/pdif in and have my .wav software "see" the input like it sees an analog line in? Or am I gibbering and obviously insane? Thanks. please reply off list. - Crossedout@aol.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 2 18:36:58 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id SAA01957; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 18:36:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 18:36:58 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19990402095649.00812480@tamiu.edu> X-Sender: myoder@tamiu.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 02 Apr 1999 09:56:49 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: "Michael S. Yoder" Subject: Re: akai headrush, Zoom 2100 In-Reply-To: References: <01be7cd7$684f6880$1d08c0d8@default> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"kEc8c3.0.57.yBL1t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4902 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >On Thu, 1 Apr 1999, Alan Imberg wrote: > >> I placed an order with American Music Supply for an Akai Headrush. >> Unfortunately, they are on back-order. It was due March 25th but the date >> has moved to April 25th. My sense is that there aren't a whole lot of these pedals out there yet. It was just >> introduced at the recent NAMM show in January. For what this may be worth, if someone out there needs a decent, inexpensive, excellent value looper, I've been working (very happily!!) with the Zoom 2100. So much so, in fact, that I bought a second one!!! Street price: $139.00. michael yoder =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Dr. Michael S. Yoder Assistant Professor of Geography, Coordinator of Urban Studies Texas A&M International University 5201 University Blvd. Laredo, TX 78041 Tel. (956) 326-2634; FAX (956) 326-2464 Internet:myoder@tamiu.edu =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=--=-=-=-== From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 2 21:52:43 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id VAA32606; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 21:52:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 21:52:43 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 21:46:39 -0500 (EST) From: Unit Circle Media To: Crossedout@aol.com cc: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: slightly off topic - s/pdif cards and .wav files. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"m8_T73.0.Fn7.Y5O1t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4904 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Is this the WaveCenter? I'm using the WaveCenter to do exactly that and it works perfectly. Kevin Kevin Goldsmith kevin@unitcircle.com Unit Circle Media http://www.unitcircle.com/ On Fri, 2 Apr 1999 Crossedout@aol.com wrote: > Sorry for the off-topic post, but you guys are usually kind to stupid > questions. > > here's the deal - I want to get a decent i/o card for my computer, I am using > ADATs to record, and I saw a card that is reasonably priced and will turn my > pc into a virtual ADAT, and interface directly with my other equipment. > > It also features s/pdif ins and outs. Now, if I wanted to take the s/pdif out > from my DAT and transfer some music from the DAT into the pc, is there a way > I can dump stuff from DATs through the s/pdif in and have my .wav software > "see" the input like it sees an analog line in? > > Or am I gibbering and obviously insane? > > Thanks. please reply off list. > - Crossedout@aol.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 2 21:41:10 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id VAA31013; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 21:41:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 21:41:10 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 21:15:12 -0500 (EST) From: Stew Benedict To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Chapman Stick In-Reply-To: <37053E5B.20A86FB8@walkthetalk.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"5I3o43.0.1g6.3hN1t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4903 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com An even better place is: stickwire-l@netcom.com It's THE list for Stick(R) players. I own one myself, and I wish I could play it. (Maybe I could if I didn't work so damn much!) Anyway, the polycarbs are nice instruments. The newest ones have a higher level of adjustability if you like to experiment with exotic tunings. All of the instruments, even to old ironwoods, hold their playability and value well, if they are cared for. If you're into software, check out XStick(TM), which I wrote, on my web page (there a new version coming out Real Soon Now!) home.earthlink.net/~stewb/xstick.html Stew Benedict From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 2 23:29:01 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id XAA16445; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 23:29:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 23:29:01 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: kkehrer@mail Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <01BE7C2F.140C2540.stevehan@transworld-lax.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 21:21:27 -0700 To: "stevehan@transworld-lax.com" , Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Keith Kehrer Subject: RE: ReBirth RA-338 Mods Resent-Message-ID: <"__Ktr3.0.Oo3.LTP1t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4905 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >Hello! > >Does anyone know of any sites offering >free ReBirth RA-338 Mods for downloading? > >Thanks in advance. > >Steve (Curbie) If you have hotline, there is a great Rebirth site with lots of mods Keith Kehrer, Kamakaze Music From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Apr 3 03:32:04 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id DAA22103; Sat, 3 Apr 1999 03:32:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Apr 1999 03:32:04 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <2.2.32.19990403082337.006c9270@mail.dada.it> X-Sender: cavallo@mail.dada.it X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 03 Apr 1999 10:23:37 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Leo Cavallo Subject: Re: Chapman Stick Resent-Message-ID: <"j0f8Y3.0.I-4.N1T1t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4906 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 16.02 02/04/99 -0600, you wrote: >Hola, > >I was given this list as a place I might get some info about the Chapman >Stick by one of the Patron Saints of Loopland, Mike Nelson (of Boomerang >fame) :) So blame HIM if this is too far OT. > >Ha. I've got a Grand Stick, and for the poli I think the only concern is about the fixed bridge. sound is not identical to the wooden one but quite similar. A little brighter maybe. the poli models are incredibly sturdy too if the price is good take it. ciao leo > >So.. I am thinking about buying a Stick. I have the oppourtunity to >buy a Polycarb one. No adjustable bridge... > >Does anyone have an opinion of poly vs. wood? >Shoot, does anyone have anything to say about it at all. >Double shoot!!! Does anyone have one they want to sell??? > >James >flam@airmail.net > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Apr 3 08:21:36 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id IAA15790; Sat, 3 Apr 1999 08:21:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Apr 1999 08:21:36 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199904031303.IAA15357@ulster.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Sat, 03 Apr 1999 08:01:30 -0500 Subject: Re:Rebirth Mods From: "jmw/cmu" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"IfWD73.0.JW3.m5X1t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4907 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >If you have hotline, there is a great Rebirth site with lots of mods The name of the site is "Computer Controlled" - They might have a www site too - http://www.rebirth.niftywerks.com/ Probably a lot more stuff on the Hotline site ( no warez by the way, they are honest folk...) jmw From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Apr 3 10:36:49 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id KAA27920; Sat, 3 Apr 1999 10:36:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Apr 1999 10:36:49 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <37063047.C22D6004@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 03 Apr 1999 10:14:15 -0500 From: theorcolus Reply-To: theorcolus@earthlink.net Organization: 144 Music X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re:New CD References: <199904030821.DAA19873@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"mhyP_.0.zO6.l4Z1t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4908 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com If any of you are interested, my new CD has just been released. It will be available through The Orchard, Amazon.com and CDNow in about a week but if any of you would like to purchase it you can email me privately. The name of the recording is :Theorcolus I." I use the Boomerang throughout the recording. Both forward and backwards! Thanks David C Gross www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Venue/7773/ "a great musician needs to be committed!!" From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Apr 3 11:59:26 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id LAA03670; Sat, 3 Apr 1999 11:59:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Apr 1999 11:59:26 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Douglas Lawrence" To: Subject: Jungle Funk Technology Date: Sat, 3 Apr 1999 11:44:40 -0500 Message-ID: <000101be7df1$462edfe0$87500218@cc1006472-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"wiHxV1.0.0X.OMa1t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4909 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I got to see Jungle Funk again last night at SOB's and they were great. As always, lots of energy and inspiring as well. How they seamlessly mix technology and music in a live setting is incredible. I know there are many bass players on the list, and being one myself, I was scouting the stage to see what equipment Doug was using ... In the rack ... Peavey CyberBass controller Lexicon Jamman Emu Planet Phatt (2) older Digitech Studio Signal Processors Digitech 2120 Valve Multi-Effects Signal Processor t.c. electronics 2290 - Dynamic Digital Delay On the floor ... Roland Volume Pedal Boss AutoWah AW-2 Boss DD-3 Digital Delay Boss Bass Flanger Boss SYB-3 Bass Synthesizer Boss Tremolo/AutoPan Seymour Duncan Bass Wah Digitech Control One for the 2120 There was another pedal back by his amp stack that I couldn't make out besides the channel switches for his Trace Elliot preamp and an A/B switch. The axes ... Spector 4-string Warwick 6-string Peavey 5-string CyberBass (it has both MIDI and phone lines out) Ibanez 5-string (the new Doug Wimbish signature line) BTW, Vinx had a great assortment of equipment as well. It seems like he uses a Zendrum to trigger samples from an Emu ESI-4000 (which included opera singers, classical violin pieces, street noise) and (2) Lexicon Jamman used mainly for vocal looping. He also had a Yamaha SU-10 strapped to an electronic drum using the ribbon controller for scratching effects. And don't forget his Djembe. Will plays an Udu drum on one song which sounds really great. (http://www.lpmusic.com/Product_Showcase/Udu_Drums/lp_udu_drum_utar.html) Anybody know what those large electronic drums that Vinx and Will use on a bunch of songs? Later- Doug From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Apr 3 14:17:38 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id OAA18012; Sat, 3 Apr 1999 14:17:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Apr 1999 14:17:38 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199904031911.OAA10109@shell.monmouth.com> Reply-To: From: "andre" To: Subject: Jungle Funk Technology...WAVE DRUM Date: Sat, 3 Apr 1999 14:09:12 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"dXdUH3.0.OE4.6Xc1t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4910 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Anybody know what those large electronic drums that Vinx and Will use on a > bunch of songs? > Later-> Doug ...those are the sadly discontinued Korg WAVEDRUM(s).. simply one of the sickest inventions going.... it is basically a fully functional synthesizer/modeler which lets you prog. in all the parameters of any drum surface, resonance, etc... also very very responsive, real drum head surface. Korg, in typical style, wasn't happy with the response and moved on. grab one at any cost when ya see 'em - i'll buy it from ya!! If you really enjoyed it - check out will's DRUMWAVE Cd (get it?) which features it heavily. His first CD - HOUSEWORK is great too, and features a cameo or two of this device. - for those of you who haven't heard one - it can sound like everything from tablas to congas, bongos, djembe, timpani, simmons electronic drums, and Neptunian Grfskadytl wedding music!! check out http://www.willcalhoun.com peace, andre' From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Apr 3 17:19:10 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id RAA16482; Sat, 3 Apr 1999 17:19:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Apr 1999 17:19:10 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3706920E.B03DF97@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 03 Apr 1999 14:11:26 -0800 From: Clifford Novey X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers Subject: Vortex Problem Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"jW9yB.0.Xq3.c8f1t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4911 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi all- I am having a problem with my Vortex and thought some of the brilliant Looper's mind's might be of help- The Value knob was old and malfunctioning- but after using it a lot it hardly ever acted up at all- seems it was just dirty really- well, I got a new encoder from lexicon and decided to install it just to be safe to avoid any problems during a performance etc. Upon installing it it did the following- rotating it clockwise the value would change as follows (depending on where it was set to begin) 64,64,63,62,61,60,59,58,57,57,58,59,60,61,62,63,64,64,63 etc. ad infinnium- Lexicon sent out another replacement after i told them about it and made sure my installation was good- they thought maybe there was a mistake in pulling it from stock- well, I installed the second one and it repeated the results of the first replacement! AGGHHH! I opened the new encoder and opened the old one as well- there was a slight difference in design but upon looking closely it seems that they should make the same contacts- there is a photo at http://home.earthlink.net/~clifsound/vortex.htm I just hope I can figure it out- the old one worked, the new ones don't and now Lexicon suggests I send it in for repair at a flat rate of 95 dollars. Thanks for your time- Cliff From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Apr 4 00:35:22 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id AAA03760; Sun, 4 Apr 1999 00:35:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Apr 1999 00:35:22 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <000f01be7e5b$6bc8d480$8f5bdfc8@doutor> From: "Julio Moreno" To: References: <000101be7df1$462edfe0$87500218@cc1006472-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com> Subject: Re: Jungle Funk Technology Date: Sun, 4 Apr 1999 02:24:30 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Resent-Message-ID: <"VyIDB2.0.qd7.3Ul1t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4912 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > Peavey 5-string CyberBass (it has both MIDI and phone lines out) Phone lines out??? Somebody can teach me what kind os telephone lines are this? Thanks in advance, Julio. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Apr 4 03:53:14 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id DAA01490; Sun, 4 Apr 1999 03:53:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Apr 1999 03:53:14 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <4.1.19990404033815.0092bd30@mail.earthlink.net> X-Sender: m1cha3l@mail.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Sun, 04 Apr 1999 03:40:56 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Michael Tuminello Subject: Jungle Funk In-Reply-To: <199904040713.DAA29741@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"gOIR-3.0.8B.aZn1t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4913 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Not thqt I don't like to hear about the tecnology afterwards, but it would be cool to hear about the show beforehand to be able to relate.... I don't know if other people are interested, but I would love to hear about cool shows (in NYC for me). Thanks, Michael From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Apr 4 04:37:04 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id EAA05888; Sun, 4 Apr 1999 04:37:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Apr 1999 04:37:04 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <001401be7e70$f627e840$02a5ffd0@arkham> From: "Joey Aguilera" To: Subject: Begginner Date: Sat, 3 Apr 1999 23:58:42 -0800 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"6aJe21.0.dk.ytn1t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4914 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com hello all, I am just starting to research what I want to do with my music at this point of my life and I have been finding myself very interested in looping. I was thinking along the lines of starting out with Oberheim Echoplex Digital Pro. If possible could you guys help me out a bit. Is this a good start ? Do you recommend anything else? Thanks. Joey From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Apr 4 04:45:33 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id EAA07178; Sun, 4 Apr 1999 04:45:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Apr 1999 04:45:33 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <2.2.32.19990404081321.006b6100@mail.dada.it> X-Sender: cavallo@mail.dada.it (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 04 Apr 1999 10:13:21 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Leo Cavallo Subject: Re: Jungle Funk Technology Resent-Message-ID: <"SQPN72.0.ht.kzn1t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4915 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com yeah... JF are a great little band. I saw them twice here in Italy and got the 2 CDs they have out. The last time I saw them there were 4 (FOUR!!) jam man on stage! I think that Will plays a Wavedrum too ciao leo At 11.44 03/04/99 -0500, you wrote: >I got to see Jungle Funk again last night at SOB's and they were great. As >always, lots of energy and inspiring as well. How they seamlessly mix >technology and music in a live setting is incredible. I know there are many >bass players on the list, and being one myself, I was scouting the stage to >see what equipment Doug was using ... > >In the rack ... > >Peavey CyberBass controller >Lexicon Jamman >Emu Planet Phatt >(2) older Digitech Studio Signal Processors >Digitech 2120 Valve Multi-Effects Signal Processor >t.c. electronics 2290 - Dynamic Digital Delay > >On the floor ... > >Roland Volume Pedal >Boss AutoWah AW-2 >Boss DD-3 Digital Delay >Boss Bass Flanger >Boss SYB-3 Bass Synthesizer >Boss Tremolo/AutoPan >Seymour Duncan Bass Wah >Digitech Control One for the 2120 >There was another pedal back by his amp stack that I couldn't make out >besides the channel switches for his Trace Elliot preamp and an A/B switch. > >The axes ... > >Spector 4-string >Warwick 6-string >Peavey 5-string CyberBass (it has both MIDI and phone lines out) >Ibanez 5-string (the new Doug Wimbish signature line) > >BTW, Vinx had a great assortment of equipment as well. It seems like he uses >a Zendrum to trigger samples from an Emu ESI-4000 (which included opera >singers, classical violin pieces, street noise) and (2) Lexicon Jamman used >mainly for vocal looping. He also had a Yamaha SU-10 strapped to an >electronic drum using the ribbon controller for scratching effects. And >don't forget his Djembe. > >Will plays an Udu drum on one song which sounds really great. >(http://www.lpmusic.com/Product_Showcase/Udu_Drums/lp_udu_drum_utar.html) > >Anybody know what those large electronic drums that Vinx and Will use on a >bunch of songs? > >Later- >Doug > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Apr 4 07:59:32 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id HAA24123; Sun, 4 Apr 1999 07:59:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Apr 1999 07:59:32 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.32.19990404112329.006c6ccc@net.ganymed.org> X-Sender: lorenz@net.ganymed.org X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Sun, 04 Apr 1999 14:01:32 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: U*phonic Subject: Re: Jungle Funk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"HeOUQ2.0.6o5.B8r1t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4916 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com what question, we don't have to talk about jungle funk's show, they are always great!!! ;-) i saw them last december in austria and they were doing a really great show. doug was using a lot more stomp boxes over here. he also had a dod fx-25 envelope filter, a tech 21 xxl distortion/preamp, and some kind of morley box and a jim dunlo cry baby. i was wondering how he could have such a good sound with such a long effect chain... my friend met him at the musikmesse at frankfurt/germany (two years ago)and talked to him for a while. doug told him that most of the floor effects are modified in some way to reduce noise, so are the bass enclosures (different speakers than the trace elliot enclosures you get at the store) BTW: there were also two digitech whammys on stage, one for doug and the other one for will's wave drum. if somebody out there has one for me, let me know :-) geez, i also want my own tech *dream-on-lorenz* ouch...reality hurts lorenz At 03:40 04.04.99 -0400, you wrote: >Not thqt I don't like to hear about the tecnology afterwards, but it would >be cool to hear about the show beforehand to be able to relate.... > >I don't know if other people are interested, but I would love to hear about >cool shows (in NYC for me). > >Thanks, > >Michael > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Apr 4 11:50:29 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id LAA17733; Sun, 4 Apr 1999 11:50:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Apr 1999 11:50:29 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Douglas Lawrence" To: Subject: RE: Jungle Funk Date: Sun, 4 Apr 1999 11:42:52 -0400 Message-ID: <000001be7eb1$cdc3b960$87500218@cc1006472-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990404033815.0092bd30@mail.earthlink.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <"yLsQU.0.d34.SYu1t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4917 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sorry Michael, but I had posted the Jungle Funk dates on Looper's Delight about a month ago. I use the following websites to search for interesting shows in NYC and Philly ... http://www.pollstar.com http://www.knittingfactory.com http://www.ticketmaster.com http://webtunes.com http://www.sidewalk.com Some of these are applicable for the US and abroad. Doug -----Original Message----- From: Michael Tuminello [mailto:m1cha3l@earthlink.net] Sent: Sunday, April 04, 1999 3:41 AM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Jungle Funk Not thqt I don't like to hear about the tecnology afterwards, but it would be cool to hear about the show beforehand to be able to relate.... I don't know if other people are interested, but I would love to hear about cool shows (in NYC for me). Thanks, Michael From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Apr 4 12:59:44 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id MAA01380; Sun, 4 Apr 1999 12:59:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Apr 1999 12:59:44 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhUAoXy3cu3nrnz0T0iJQpQYweI+1f4CFF/mGTDP1QZdqRblz3lits9AQsZ6 From: MRentas@webtv.net (Melba Rentas) Date: Sun, 4 Apr 1999 12:37:25 -0400 (EDT) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: looking for catalog Message-ID: <5107-37079545-13467@mailtod-242.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Resent-Message-ID: <"CfYKb1.0.Xy6.IMv1t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4918 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com please send me some info on the supplys you carry From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Apr 4 13:54:43 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id NAA12114; Sun, 4 Apr 1999 13:54:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Apr 1999 13:54:43 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199904041747.NAA28860@mail1.javanet.com> From: "Kate & Dan Richardson" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Sun, 4 Apr 1999 13:46:54 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Vortex Problem Reply-to: dlr@javanet.com Priority: normal In-reply-to: <3706920E.B03DF97@earthlink.net> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01d) Resent-Message-ID: <"90WuG.0.wh2.wNw1t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4919 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > the following- rotating it clockwise the value would change as follows > (depending on where it was set to begin) > 64,64,63,62,61,60,59,58,57,57,58,59,60,61,62,63,64,64,63 etc. ad > infinnium- What, that isn't what you wanted? > made sure my installation was good Made sure how?. Don't mean to bum you out, but it sure sounds to me like you've solder bridged a couple of traces, or baked the component that reads the encoder. Dan Kate and Dan Richardson Northampton, MA mailto:dlr@javanet.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Apr 4 14:30:28 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id OAA16460; Sun, 4 Apr 1999 14:30:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Apr 1999 14:30:28 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Sun, 4 Apr 1999 12:05:32 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199904041805.MAA20264@servidor.unam.mx> X-Sender: smaug@servidor.unam.mx X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Andy Soto Subject: Re: Begginner Resent-Message-ID: <"BIlA62.0.UP3.Uhw1t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4920 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Why don=B4t you try the boomerang?,it=B4s a hell of a lot cheaper and a powerful tool,I think that would be an even better start... Andy At 11:58 PM 3/04/99 -0800, you wrote: >hello all, > >I am just starting to research what I want to do with my music at this= point >of my life and I have been finding myself very interested in looping. I was >thinking along the lines of starting out with Oberheim Echoplex Digital= Pro. >If possible could you guys help me out a bit. Is this a good start ? Do you >recommend anything else? > >Thanks. > >Joey > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Apr 4 15:29:10 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id PAA23101; Sun, 4 Apr 1999 15:29:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Apr 1999 15:29:10 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Sun, 04 Apr 1999 21:21:37 +0200 From: Mark Kunzmann Subject: Re: Jungle Funk To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-to: kunmar00@stud.unibas.ch Message-id: <3707BBC1.5AF4@stud.unibas.ch> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04 (Win16; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <3.0.32.19990404112329.006c6ccc@net.ganymed.org> Resent-Message-ID: <"pGq192.0.JV5.hnx1t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4921 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com U*phonic wrote: > fx-25 envelope filter, a tech 21 xxl distortion/preamp, and some kind of > morley box and a jim dunlo cry baby. i was wondering how he could have such > a good sound with such a long effect chain... Hi Lorenz, One of the main reasons his signal remains so clean is the TC2290. As far as I know he routes most of his fx through the five effects loops the TC offers, switching fx in and out of the signal path as he needs them. Apart from that the TC is a very deep unit. Definately worth checking out if you can afford it. Cheers - Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Apr 4 18:52:09 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id SAA14533; Sun, 4 Apr 1999 18:52:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Apr 1999 18:52:09 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990404224047.22446.rocketmail@web4.rocketmail.com> Date: Sun, 4 Apr 1999 15:40:47 -0700 (PDT) From: "Rev. Doubt-Goat" Subject: Re: Jungle Funk Technology To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"2Wa8J1.0.gG3.li-1t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4922 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com 93 ---Douglas Lawrence wrote: > Peavey 5-string CyberBass (it has both MIDI and phone lines out) Heh. "Hello, Control?"... 93 Rev. D.G. === The Homepages of the Doubt-Goat The Darsan Trio Sekhet Maat Oasis, O.T.O. Lion & Serpent http://www.easystreet.com/~twilliam _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Apr 5 01:21:08 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id BAA14578; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 01:21:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Apr 1999 01:21:08 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990405000429.007ad7f0@pop.interaccess.com> X-Sender: ths@pop.interaccess.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 05 Apr 1999 00:04:29 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tom S Subject: Wave Drums Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"INrAz.0.aX2.vI42t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4924 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi! I've always loved the sound of Wavedrums, but have never had any luck finding them used anywhere. However, for those of you that really like the sound of a Wavedrum, I'd highly recommend a sample CD called "Liquid Grooves", by Ilio. There are tons of Wavedrums samples on it, not too mention the rhythm loops are fantastic!! Ilio makes some of the best samples I've come across, and the Wavedrums are a real work of sonic magnificence. Just a happy consumer. Tom ths@interaccess.com mailto:ths@interaccess.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Apr 5 02:42:18 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id CAA22815; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 02:42:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Apr 1999 02:42:18 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: matthias@pop3.bahianet.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19990405000429.007ad7f0@pop.interaccess.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 5 Apr 1999 03:44:09 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Wave Drums Resent-Message-ID: <"8Pq7x3.0.UV5.2g52t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4925 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > I've always loved the sound of Wavedrums, but have never had any luck >finding them used anywhere. > > However, for those of you that really like the sound of a Wavedrum, I'd >highly recommend a sample CD called "Liquid Grooves", by Ilio. There are >tons of Wavedrums samples on it, not too mention the rhythm loops are >fantastic!! Ilio makes some of the best samples I've come across, and the >Wavedrums are a real work of sonic magnificence. More even: The magic is the richness of expression which is not limited to MIDI and Samples. Its perfect for looping because you do not have any feed back and external noise problems. You can just sit at the one instrument and keep overdubbing all its sound... So they do not make them any more? It was too good to survive? Unfortunately I do not have one. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Apr 5 03:58:31 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id DAA29852; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 03:58:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Apr 1999 03:58:31 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhUAkBgdXc7qF7Fw+9qeo3Sd4wiWBYwCFBftLkFk9FmkrPT4a83VLdPQiobD From: BRS10@webtv.net (Bill Smith) Date: Mon, 5 Apr 1999 02:54:22 -0500 (CDT) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: mass e-mail Message-ID: <24343-37086C2E-29343@mailtod-142.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Resent-Message-ID: <"-D-gJ1.0.qE7.wn62t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4926 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com please send more info on mass e-mail also a good site to get e-mail lists of adresses Everyday is a new beginning,WOW!!! From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Apr 5 04:37:20 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id EAA00929; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 04:37:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Apr 1999 04:37:20 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990405083414.17126.rocketmail@web114.yahoomail.com> Date: Mon, 5 Apr 1999 01:34:14 -0700 (PDT) From: John Tidwell Subject: Re: mass e-mail To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"OjD_p.0.L9._L72t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4928 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com DOH! I didn't mean to do that. --- John Tidwell wrote: > > > --- Bill Smith wrote: > > please send more info on mass e-mail also a good > > site to get e-mail > > lists of adresses > > > > Everyday is a new beginning,WOW!!! > > > > > > === > John Tidwell > > > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at > http://mail.yahoo.com > > === John Tidwell _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Apr 5 06:31:44 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id GAA17835; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 06:31:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Apr 1999 06:31:44 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <2.2.32.19990405101952.006bf720@mail.dada.it> X-Sender: cavallo@mail.dada.it (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 05 Apr 1999 12:19:52 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Leo Cavallo Subject: Re: Wave Drums Resent-Message-ID: <"98QGe1.0.KF3.Iw82t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4930 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com yes great sample CDs, both volumes (I & II). ciao leo At 00.04 05/04/99 -0500, you wrote: >Hi! > > I've always loved the sound of Wavedrums, but have never had any luck >finding them used anywhere. > > However, for those of you that really like the sound of a Wavedrum, I'd >highly recommend a sample CD called "Liquid Grooves", by Ilio. There are >tons of Wavedrums samples on it, not too mention the rhythm loops are >fantastic!! Ilio makes some of the best samples I've come across, and the >Wavedrums are a real work of sonic magnificence. > > Just a happy consumer. > >Tom >ths@interaccess.com >mailto:ths@interaccess.com > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Apr 5 10:08:18 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id KAA08750; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 10:08:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Apr 1999 10:08:18 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199904051306.JAA01646@ulster.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Mon, 05 Apr 1999 08:55:49 -0400 Subject: Re: Wave Drums From: "jmw/cmu" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"dRVQj1.0.KE.6LB2t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4931 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >More even: The magic is the richness of expression which is not limited to >MIDI and Samples. >Its perfect for looping because you do not have any feed back and external >noise problems. You can just sit at the one instrument and keep overdubbing >all its sound... > >So they do not make them any more? It was too good to survive? > >Unfortunately I do not have one Yes, korg discontinued them a couple of years ago - I called to see if they had any old stock but cust. support said that they sold the last bunch to the Grateful Dead. The price was pretty high (~$2000 new) and I'm sure that that was a factor in their lack of acceptance. Maybe the unit was a bit too far out for most drummers.. peace, jmw PS : I am also one of the unfortunate souls unable to find a Wavedrum, so if anyone out there sees one for sale let me know. I'm ready to buy. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Apr 5 13:13:17 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id NAA09578; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 13:13:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Apr 1999 13:13:17 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.32.19990405101048.006c8f88@net.ganymed.org> X-Sender: lorenz@net.ganymed.org X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Mon, 05 Apr 1999 19:00:53 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: U*phonic Subject: Re: looking for catalog Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=====================_923324453==_" Resent-Message-ID: <"FMlz12.0.8P1.EdE2t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4932 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com 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(from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id NAA18567; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 13:59:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Apr 1999 13:59:26 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: djdowling@earthlink.net Message-ID: <370904FA.CA9@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 05 Apr 1999 13:46:18 -0500 Reply-To: djdowling@earthlink.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: JAM MAN FOR SALE X-URL: http://www.annihilist.com/loop/list/LoopList.html Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"LIa6e1.0.Y_3.-OF2t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4933 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Must sell Jam Man. Have too much equipment and not enough RENT $! Paid $500 Would Like to come out unscathed Selling $500 Has original memory The original owner "barely used" it & I have likewise. Email me privately ...make me an offer, if you must... Best, Dave From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Apr 5 15:58:30 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id EAA32308; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 04:26:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Apr 1999 04:26:27 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990405082208.16477.rocketmail@web114.yahoomail.com> Date: Mon, 5 Apr 1999 01:22:08 -0700 (PDT) From: John Tidwell Subject: Re: mass e-mail To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"Lxlk3.0.Zm7.hA72t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4927 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com --- Bill Smith wrote: > please send more info on mass e-mail also a good > site to get e-mail > lists of adresses > > Everyday is a new beginning,WOW!!! > > === John Tidwell _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Apr 5 17:16:37 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id GAA15500; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 06:28:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Apr 1999 06:28:10 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <2.2.32.19990405101953.006cd924@mail.dada.it> X-Sender: cavallo@mail.dada.it (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 05 Apr 1999 12:19:53 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Leo Cavallo Subject: Re: Wave Drums Resent-Message-ID: <"k1Cp_1.0.DF3.Iw82t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4929 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com hi I've to add that Will Calhoun did some live looping on its Jamman and Wavedrum in a little solo break during his Pharoah Sanders tour. Check it out if you can. ciao leo At 03.44 05/04/99 -0300, you wrote: > >> I've always loved the sound of Wavedrums, but have never had any luck >>finding them used anywhere. >> >> However, for those of you that really like the sound of a Wavedrum, I'd >>highly recommend a sample CD called "Liquid Grooves", by Ilio. There are >>tons of Wavedrums samples on it, not too mention the rhythm loops are >>fantastic!! Ilio makes some of the best samples I've come across, and the >>Wavedrums are a real work of sonic magnificence. > >More even: The magic is the richness of expression which is not limited to >MIDI and Samples. >Its perfect for looping because you do not have any feed back and external >noise problems. You can just sit at the one instrument and keep overdubbing >all its sound... > >So they do not make them any more? It was too good to survive? > >Unfortunately I do not have one. > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Apr 5 17:18:16 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id UAA27016; Sun, 4 Apr 1999 20:28:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Apr 1999 20:28:32 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: jadirusso@statestreet.com X-OpenMail-Hops: 2 Date: Sun, 4 Apr 1999 20:20:13 -0400 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199904041805.MAA20264@servidor.unam.mx> Subject: Re: Begginner MIME-Version: 1.0 TO: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline; filename="Re:" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"iANQ5.0.HR6.X802t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4923 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com The boomerang may be a powerful tool but if you have the money go for the Echoplex. I just recently got my first echoplex and am VERY happy with it. I think it is the perfect tool for live looping, but be prepared to wait a while for it to arrive after you order it because mine took 3 months to get to me.. but it was worth the wait. Joe ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: Begginner Author: smaug (smaug@servidor.unam.mx) Date: 4/4/99 2:05 PM Why don't you try the boomerang?,it's a hell of a lot cheaper and a powerful tool,I think that would be an even better start... Andy At 11:58 PM 3/04/99 -0800, you wrote: >hello all, > >I am just starting to research what I want to do with my music at this point >of my life and I have been finding myself very interested in looping. I was >thinking along the lines of starting out with Oberheim Echoplex Digital Pro. >If possible could you guys help me out a bit. Is this a good start ? Do you >recommend anything else? > >Thanks. > >Joey > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Apr 5 18:07:04 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id SAA16743; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 18:07:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Apr 1999 18:07:04 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <37092B45.FF01F4BF@magelang.com> Date: Mon, 05 Apr 1999 15:29:41 -0600 From: Jim Coker Reply-To: jcoker@magelang.com Organization: Magelang Institute X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Wave Drums References: <199904051306.JAA01646@ulster.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"-R0BX2.0.Ur2.ujI2t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4934 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com If you can't find a wave drum, you might find a tabla interesting. The Ali Akbar School of Music in San Rafel, CA carries high-quality ones (as well as other indian instruments) for about $450. They are wonderful instruments in themselves, and if you added a piezo mic plugged into an FX unit, you could have great fun with that as well. Jim jmw/cmu wrote: > > >More even: The magic is the richness of expression which is not limited to > >MIDI and Samples. > >Its perfect for looping because you do not have any feed back and external > >noise problems. You can just sit at the one instrument and keep overdubbing > >all its sound... > > > >So they do not make them any more? It was too good to survive? > > > >Unfortunately I do not have one > > Yes, korg discontinued them a couple of years ago - I called to see if they > had any old stock but cust. support said that they sold the last bunch to > the Grateful Dead. > > The price was pretty high (~$2000 new) and I'm sure that that was a factor > in their lack of acceptance. Maybe the unit was a bit too far out for most > drummers.. > > peace, > > jmw > > PS : I am also one of the unfortunate souls unable to find a Wavedrum, so if > anyone out there sees one for sale let me know. I'm ready to buy. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Apr 5 18:19:37 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id SAA18601; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 18:19:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Apr 1999 18:19:37 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Mon, 5 Apr 1999 16:54:33 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199904052254.QAA13110@servidor.unam.mx> X-Sender: smaug@servidor.unam.mx X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Andy Soto Subject: just another looper page Resent-Message-ID: <"dc_mJ.0.Co3.C8J2t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4935 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Well guys,here=B4s what I did in springbreak, 12 loopy songs in 7 days with my friend Harlan,hope you can check them out and say something to me: http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Underground/4764/ see ya. Andy From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Apr 5 19:55:42 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id TAA01460; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 19:55:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Apr 1999 19:55:42 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <001a01be7fb6$e669ee70$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: Subject: Re: Tabla; Was: Wave Drums Date: Mon, 5 Apr 1999 17:51:53 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"RUjTC1.0.536.k0K2t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4936 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi, Jim! Tell me more about the piezo pick-up. What kinds/types/brands are recommended? Where is it placed on the tabla/bayan? How is it mounted (i.e., what holds it on)? Etc.! Thanks! Dennis Leas ----------------------------- dennis@mdbs.com -----Original Message----- From: Jim Coker To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Monday, April 05, 1999 5:20 PM Subject: Re: Wave Drums >If you can't find a wave drum, you might find >a tabla interesting. The Ali Akbar School of Music >in San Rafel, CA carries high-quality ones (as well >as other indian instruments) for about $450. They >are wonderful instruments in themselves, and if you >added a piezo mic plugged into an FX unit, you could >have great fun with that as well. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Apr 5 21:42:04 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id VAA16025; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 21:42:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Apr 1999 21:42:04 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: mdavidson32@yybecker22.ca Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 08:37:02 +0800 To: websiteuser22@yxybecker.22.ca Subject: Search Engine Registration adv Reply-To: mdavidson32@2yybecker22.ca X-PMFLAGS: 10322341.10 X-UIDL: 10293287_192832.222 Comments: Authenticated Sender is Message-Id: <14740197_39527834> Resent-Message-ID: <"F4UKi1.0.bB2.2aL2t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4937 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I saw your listing on the internet. I work for a company that submits websites to search engines. 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Sincerely, Mike Davidson (888) 892-7537 From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Apr 5 22:44:58 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id WAA24482; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 22:44:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Apr 1999 22:44:58 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <370964D1.EB8BFA75@magelang.com> Date: Mon, 05 Apr 1999 19:35:13 -0600 From: Jim Coker Reply-To: jcoker@magelang.com Organization: Magelang Institute X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Tabla; Was: Wave Drums References: <001a01be7fb6$e669ee70$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"ttHsd3.0.vh3.uJM2t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4938 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I got one at Guitar Shittr a while back, can't remember which kind, but they were little metal discs (piezo pickups can be a variety of sizes), and the larger ones had much better bass response. You can tape or glue it to just about anything, so location is a personal preference. It's definitely *not* a way to get an accuate recording of an acoustic instrument, but can be lots o fun for playing around. On a tabla or bayan, I'd try taping it near the edge of the head. Jim Dennis W. Leas wrote: > > Hi, Jim! Tell me more about the piezo pick-up. What kinds/types/brands are > recommended? Where is it placed on the tabla/bayan? How is it mounted > (i.e., what holds it on)? Etc.! > > Thanks! > > Dennis Leas > ----------------------------- > dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Apr 5 23:15:20 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id XAA28559; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 23:15:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Apr 1999 23:15:20 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <000001be7fd0$702439e0$9c5bdfc8@doutor> From: "Julio Moreno" To: References: <19990404224047.22446.rocketmail@web4.rocketmail.com> Subject: Re: Jungle Funk Technology Date: Mon, 5 Apr 1999 13:38:02 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Resent-Message-ID: <"dduBU3.0._P4.9bM2t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4939 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Rev. Doubt-Goat To: Sent: Sunday, April 04, 1999 7:40 PM Subject: Re: Jungle Funk Technology > 93 > > ---Douglas Lawrence wrote: > > Peavey 5-string CyberBass (it has both MIDI and > phone lines out) I insist: what the hell are this telephone lines? Julio. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Apr 5 23:47:27 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id XAA01192; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 23:47:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Apr 1999 23:47:27 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: matthias@pop3.bahianet.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <37092B45.FF01F4BF@magelang.com> References: <199904051306.JAA01646@ulster.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 00:05:35 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Wave Drums Resent-Message-ID: <"FKWrk1.0.UT6.GZN2t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4940 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >If you can't find a wave drum, you might find >a tabla interesting. The Ali Akbar School of Music >in San Rafel, CA carries high-quality ones (as well >as other indian instruments) for about $450. They >are wonderful instruments in themselves, and if you >added a piezo mic plugged into an FX unit, you could >have great fun with that as well. oh, yes, a highly developped instrument. I just had a session with a good player. The only problem for me was the very defined pitch of the high drum. Most drums are pitched in some way, but you can still play any tonality - not so with tabla, right? Thanks for the hint Matthias From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Apr 6 00:29:07 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id AAA09831; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 00:29:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 00:29:07 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <2.2.32.19990406032100.00efc398@pop.chromatic.com> X-Sender: kflint@pop.chromatic.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 05 Apr 1999 20:21:00 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Jungle Funk Technology Resent-Message-ID: <"kH1LP2.0.rE7.ftN2t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4941 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 01:38 PM 4/5/99 -0300, Julio Moreno wrote: >> ---Douglas Lawrence wrote: >> > Peavey 5-string CyberBass (it has both MIDI and >> phone lines out) > > I insist: what the hell are this telephone lines? >Julio. Long ago, the telephone system was operated by humans manually connecting calls together at a switch board. They did this with patch cables that looked remarkably similar to the ones still in use today for unbalanced audio connections (like guitars). Hence, the word "phone" became commonly associated with this type of connector, and many people refer to them that way. They are also called "quarter inch". I think that's what is meant in the sentence above, just a regular patch cord, not any reference to RJ-11 jacks or any other thing you would normally connect to a telephone. In other words, no, this bass will not order the pizza for you. OB semi loop content: I went to see the Paul Dresher Ensemble and Rinde Eckert perform the opera "Ravenshead" the other night. (Paul is on the list sometimes, but not now I think...) Very nice show, great music and great vocal/acting performance from Rinde Eckert, not to mention a great way to avoid doing my taxes for a few more hours. Have any of you seen any of Paul's performances before? I had only listened to one of his CD's, so this was quite a treat, I enjoyed it a lot. Fascinating harmonies and rhythms that developed and moved very well with the moods of the opera. In fact, I was engrossed enough in just listening and watching that the left brain never kicked in and I never noticed if Paul was using any of his echoplexes! So no technology here. :-) So if you haven't yet, check out Paul Dresher, either live or on CD, I think you won't regret it. kim ________________________________________________________ Kim Flint, MTS 408-752-9284 ATI Research kflint@atitech.com http://www.atitech.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Apr 6 00:30:45 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id AAA10471; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 00:30:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 00:30:45 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Douglas Lawrence" To: Subject: RE: Jungle Funk Technology Date: Mon, 5 Apr 1999 23:28:25 -0400 Message-ID: <000501be7fdd$885367e0$87500218@cc1006472-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <000001be7fd0$702439e0$9c5bdfc8@doutor> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"GIY1c2.0.5U7.uzN2t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4942 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >> I insist: what the hell are this telephone lines? >> Julio. OK, Doug Wimbish promised that I wouldn't tell anyone, but his Cyberbass has an integrated 56K modem that dials out to the Internet and uses a proprietary massively parallel computer system secretly developed by him, Will, and Vinx. It runs a hybrid neural network/expert system on an several 8-way Cray computers to provide incredibly accurate note triggering. This way he can also access his rack of Emu Ultra 4 samplers for loop generation which has over 6 hours of available sampling capability in 20-bit stereo. It controls the integrated Cyberbass sequencer which is capable over 10,000,000 note capacity at 1/1,000 ppq. It also helps power the over 10,000 pattern arppegiator on-board the Cyberbass. Normally this couldn't be handled by standard network HTTP protocols due to line chatter, so they had to write a fully interactive piping data stream that integrates with a customized MIDI engine to handle these types of data loads over 56K. You didn't think that he could really ~play~ some of that stuff, did you? That's the real secret of how just three guys can sound like a whole orchestra! BTW, those really aren't Wavedrums up there ... Dude, it was a typo ... phone => phono = 1/4" mono jack <> RJ-11 Sorry to confuse you all. Doug. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Apr 6 01:21:39 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id BAA29768; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 01:21:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 01:21:39 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <2.2.32.19990406043000.011a377c@pop.chromatic.com> X-Sender: kflint@pop.chromatic.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 05 Apr 1999 21:30:00 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: RE: Jungle Funk Technology Resent-Message-ID: <"6bAUM2.0.Xf2.MuO2t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4943 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Just 56K? I'm not impressed. At least he could use xDSL. At 11:28 PM 4/5/99 -0400, Douglas Lawrence wrote: >>> I insist: what the hell are this telephone lines? >>> Julio. > >OK, Doug Wimbish promised that I wouldn't tell anyone, but his Cyberbass has >an integrated 56K modem that dials out to the Internet and uses a >proprietary massively parallel computer system secretly developed by him, >Will, and Vinx. It runs a hybrid neural network/expert system on an several >8-way Cray computers to provide incredibly accurate note triggering. This >way he can also access his rack of Emu Ultra 4 samplers for loop generation >which has over 6 hours of available sampling capability in 20-bit stereo. It >controls the integrated Cyberbass sequencer which is capable over 10,000,000 >note capacity at 1/1,000 ppq. It also helps power the over 10,000 pattern >arppegiator on-board the Cyberbass. Normally this couldn't be handled by >standard network HTTP protocols due to line chatter, so they had to write a >fully interactive piping data stream that integrates with a customized MIDI >engine to handle these types of data loads over 56K. You didn't think that >he could really ~play~ some of that stuff, did you? > >That's the real secret of how just three guys can sound like a whole >orchestra! BTW, those really aren't Wavedrums up there ... > >Dude, it was a typo ... phone => phono = 1/4" mono jack <> RJ-11 > >Sorry to confuse you all. > >Doug. > > > ________________________________________________________ Kim Flint, MTS 408-752-9284 ATI Research kflint@atitech.com http://www.atitech.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Apr 6 02:00:49 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id CAA04943; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 02:00:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 02:00:49 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199904060516.BAA08569@shell.monmouth.com> Reply-To: From: "andre" To: Subject: Residents Tour.... Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 01:14:01 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"3met_1.0.5B7.pZP2t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4944 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Little looping here.. but it works.... saw the residenst to nite in NYC - great friggin show... what a tradition of madness.. they did "stories from the bible - wormwwood" - their latest CD/multi media theatrical work. pls go if you're in town..... i hear tix for the 2nd and 3rd nights are in abundance!!! great show - amazingly diverse music, played and live by real musicians....albeit they were hidden behind huge eyeballsss!!! see ya andre' From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Apr 6 02:45:42 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id CAA11945; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 02:45:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 02:45:42 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <009601be7ff4$a741aec0$9c5bdfc8@doutor> From: "Julio Moreno" To: References: <000501be7fdd$885367e0$87500218@cc1006472-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com> Subject: Re: Jungle Funk Technology Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 03:13:54 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Resent-Message-ID: <"2e3wU.0.Xe1.BOQ2t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4946 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Douglas Lawrence To: Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 1999 12:28 AM Subject: RE: Jungle Funk Technology > >> I insist: what the hell are this telephone lines? > >> Julio. > > OK, Doug Wimbish promised that I wouldn't tell anyone, but his Cyberbass has > an integrated 56K modem that dials out to the Internet and uses a > proprietary massively parallel computer system secretly developed by him, > Will, and Vinx. It runs a hybrid neural network/expert system on an several > 8-way Cray computers to provide incredibly accurate note triggering. This > way he can also access his rack of Emu Ultra 4 samplers for loop generation > which has over 6 hours of available sampling capability in 20-bit stereo. It > controls the integrated Cyberbass sequencer which is capable over 10,000,000 > note capacity at 1/1,000 ppq. It also helps power the over 10,000 pattern > arppegiator on-board the Cyberbass. Normally this couldn't be handled by > standard network HTTP protocols due to line chatter, so they had to write a > fully interactive piping data stream that integrates with a customized MIDI > engine to handle these types of data loads over 56K. You didn't think that > he could really ~play~ some of that stuff, did you? > > That's the real secret of how just three guys can sound like a whole > orchestra! BTW, those really aren't Wavedrums up there ... > > Dude, it was a typo ... phone => phono = 1/4" mono jack <> RJ-11 > > Sorry to confuse you all. > > Doug. What's about the pizza order? ( no Pizza Hut please)....:^) Thanks! Julio. > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Apr 6 02:31:41 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id CAA10132; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 02:31:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 02:31:41 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990406053927.5934.rocketmail@web120.yahoomail.com> Date: Mon, 5 Apr 1999 22:39:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Bret Subject: telephonic guitars To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"KOZtL1.0.tz7.ttP2t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4945 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Kim wrote: >Long ago, the telephone system was operated by > humans manually connecting > calls together at a switch board. Long ago, eh? You sayin I'm an old fart? Where I grew up (long ago) our phones plugged into the wall socket with a 1/4" phone plug (like your guitar). You could steal the plugs from your phone to fix guitar cords! If you don't mind bakelite! In those days, you were't supposed to own your own telephones. We had many, used surplus from an AM radio station. Carbon mikes and speakers. Nowdays, telephone line plugs are what? 4,6,8 pin, and guitar plugs are 13 pin (roland gk standard). Just don't step on, or plug in that 13 pin roland connector as roughly as you step on, or plug in your ancient phone plug, or it will fail. And don't pull your new telephone line cable with connector (j?) through a snag or that )%$#@ plastic locking arm will break off, and the connector won't stay in your phone anymore! Simple is often at least robust, and endures. Many simple things come from long ago. Those long ago, 2 conductor phone plugs, connect Kim's clever echoplex footpedal. I have a bakelite cased plugs on the (vintage cloth sheilded) cable to my EDP footswitch :-) But, you should see my midi controller. There I have an online operator, with a switchboard...... bret _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Apr 6 03:04:11 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id DAA14197; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 03:04:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 03:04:11 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.32.19990405211302.006c1f5c@net.ganymed.org> X-Sender: lorenz@net.ganymed.org X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Tue, 06 Apr 1999 08:56:03 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: U*phonic Subject: Re: looking for catalog Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"SQxb53.0.Qu2.hrQ2t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4947 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com sorry, i accidenly sent this to the list, it wasn't meant to. lorenz At 19:00 05.04.99 +0200, you wrote: >that's what i got in stock right now > >At 12:37 04.04.99 -0400, you wrote: >>please send me some info on the supplys you carry >> >> >> >Attachment Converted: "C:\musikali.doc" > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Apr 6 05:04:23 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id FAA03250; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 05:04:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 05:04:23 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 10:57:55 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199904060857.KAA03581@mail.euroweb.hu> X-Sender: absolute@mail.datanet.hu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: adam davidovics Subject: Re: Jungle Funk Resent-Message-ID: <"p-uhK1.0.zN.ppS2t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4948 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com yeah, good question is how these equipment connected together. serially? can they be switched/bypassed? i wonder if anyone know these.... a/d >what question, we don't have to talk about jungle funk's show, they are >always great!!! ;-) > >i saw them last december in austria and they were doing a really great >show. doug was using a lot more stomp boxes over here. he also had a dod >fx-25 envelope filter, a tech 21 xxl distortion/preamp, and some kind of >morley box and a jim dunlo cry baby. i was wondering how he could have such >a good sound with such a long effect chain... >my friend met him at the musikmesse at frankfurt/germany (two years ago)and >talked to him for a while. doug told him that most of the floor effects are >modified in some way to reduce noise, so are the bass enclosures (different >speakers than the trace elliot enclosures you get at the store) >BTW: there were also two digitech whammys on stage, one for doug and the >other one for will's wave drum. if somebody out there has one for me, let >me know :-) > >geez, i also want my own tech *dream-on-lorenz* ouch...reality hurts > >lorenz > > >At 03:40 04.04.99 -0400, you wrote: >>Not thqt I don't like to hear about the tecnology afterwards, but it would >>be cool to hear about the show beforehand to be able to relate.... >> >>I don't know if other people are interested, but I would love to hear about >>cool shows (in NYC for me). >> >>Thanks, >> >>Michael >> >> >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Apr 6 05:31:26 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id FAA06847; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 05:31:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 05:31:26 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 11:25:35 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199904060925.LAA07397@mail.euroweb.hu> X-Sender: absolute@mail.datanet.hu (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: adam davidovics Subject: Re: Jungle Funk Technology Resent-Message-ID: <"cYAUT1.0.bW1.WDT2t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4949 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com hey! i've been looking for this cyberbass on the peawey site. i can not find it! is it out of production? a/d From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Apr 6 07:49:27 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id HAA19988; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 07:49:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 07:49:27 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: nicomonguzzi@mail.vtx.ch Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 12:34:04 +0100 To: Loopers Delight * Mail List From: nicolas monguzzi Subject: Jungle Funk Pictures Resent-Message-ID: <"Ul4py.0.NQ4.izU2t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4950 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Ciao, last year i took a couple of pictures during the Jungle Funk sound-check before the concert at the Cully Jazz Festival here in Switzerland. if anyone is interested i can scan and send. let me know ciao, nic nicolas monguzzi music & graphic design 59 rue du maupas 1004 lausanne switzerland +41 21 646 5681 voice + fax mailto:nicomonguzzi@vtx.ch From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Apr 6 10:24:10 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id KAA06575; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 10:24:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 10:24:10 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 09:36:30 -0400 (EDT) From: billfox@lucent.com (William_B_Fox) Message-Id: <199904061336.JAA04580@badboy.micro.lucent.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Switchboards, Plugs and Phonographs Resent-Message-ID: <"XKQjC2.0.zs7.3vW2t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4951 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > OK, Doug Wimbish promised that I wouldn't tell anyone, but his > Cyberbass has an integrated 56K modem that dials out to the Internet > and uses a proprietary massively parallel computer system secretly > developed by him, [...snip...] Please reprogram the Cyberbass so that the next time it calls me, it dials 1-800-C-A-L-L-A-T-T! Thank you. > Dude, it was a typo ... phone => phono = 1/4" mono jack <> RJ-11 Seriously, your typo was more correct than what you had intended! :) Phono plugs & jacks are the RCA type originally developed by RCA for use with... record players / phonograph cartridges! Kim's treatise on 1/4" plugs and switch boards is spot on. Bill home: billfox@fast.net work: BillFox@lucent.com *** Employee of Western Electric -> AT&T -> Lucent Technologies since 1979 *** ============================================================================== Host of Emusic, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. Email me if you wish to submit music for airplay consideration. ============================================================================== My radio show: http://www.wdiyfm.org My band site: http://www.crosswinds.net/allentown/~shadowplay From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Apr 6 10:58:27 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id KAA11999; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 10:58:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 10:58:27 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990406143226.3216.rocketmail@web209.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 07:32:26 -0700 (PDT) From: petr dolak Subject: Loops and Coffee in Ohio. To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"xvi2I2.0.hs1.4gX2t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4953 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Loops and Coffee in Ohio. Performances of Petr Dolk. Electric and acoustic guitars. Incidental instruments. Looping devices. Music and sounds. Poetry in English and Czech. Saturday, April 10, 1999. 8:00 pm. Arabica, 1688 West Market Street. Akron, OH. and Friday, April 23, 1999. 8:00 pm. Arabica, Main Street. Mentor, OH. === Nasledujici oznameni je bohuzel nevyhnutelne. V zadnem pripade ale neznamena, ze bych osobne chtel propagovat tuto spolecnost. _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Apr 6 10:46:33 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id KAA10184; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 10:46:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 10:46:33 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <370A11A9.1A0CA99B@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 06 Apr 1999 09:52:41 -0400 From: theorcolus Reply-To: theorcolus@earthlink.net Organization: 144 Music X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re; Rinde Eckert/Doug Wimbish References: <199904060710.DAA15686@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"ECYIb2.0.Ac.DAX2t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4952 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Kim, Rinde Eckert has 3 CDs out the Bill Frisell's producer Lee Townsend produced. One is on DIW, the 2nd is on City of Tribes, and the latest is on Intuition. We will be performing in NYC on April 27th at Baby Jupiter with Kenny Wolleson on drums and Toby Kasavan on keyboards. He is truly an amazing talent! Bass Player Magazine is doing an article on bassists who loop and I will be doing an interview with Doug Wimbish for Bass Frontiers. I will update when I have more information. David C Gross "a great musician needs to be committed" www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Venue/7773/ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Apr 6 11:39:45 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id LAA18602; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 11:39:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 11:39:45 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199904061509.LAA04513@ulster.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Tue, 06 Apr 1999 10:35:08 -0400 Subject: Re: Tabla Pitch (way OT) From: "jmw/cmu" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"xJmIU3.0.KO3.xDY2t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4956 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >oh, yes, a highly developped instrument. I just had a session with a good >player. >The only problem for me was the very defined pitch of the high drum. Most >drums are pitched in some way, but you can still play any tonality - not so >with tabla, right? Most drums have a pitch but usually there are enough overtones to smooth over obvious harmonic clashes. The defined tonality of the daya ( the high drum) can be a problem in certain situations. I usually perform with 3 high drums tuned to E, G, and B (for the "ta" stroke which is the clear brite tone). Dayas also have another pitch produced by the "tun" stroke (deeper & rounder sounding) which is usually a minor 7th below the "ta" ( e.g. ta = C4, tun = D3) . The accuracy of this varies from drum to drum. So, with my setup I can play with E, D, G, A, B, & C#, which is still limiting but gives the other players & myself some melodic/harmonic freedom. I usually let everyone know what my pitches are just to be safe. It works well with guitar & bass players since the pitches are the same as the open strings (except for the C#) and everyone loves E minor! I also try to tune my frame drums to complementary pitches as well. peace, jmw From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Apr 6 11:39:08 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id LAA18550; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 11:39:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 11:39:08 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.32.19990406160127.006ea640@net.ganymed.org> X-Sender: lorenz@net.ganymed.org X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Tue, 06 Apr 1999 17:13:06 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: U*phonic Subject: midi-questions Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"A8RRb.0.g83.Z7Y2t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4955 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com after working on my sound for quite a while it's time to get more into all that midi-stuff. are there any recomondations for literature (or other stuff) about that? since i'm just getting into this (even most units i got are midi-controlable) and most of you guys work with midi quite a bit, what midi-controler would you recomend? i heard a lot of good things about the new nobels controler. it would be great if you could help me on this one thanks in advance lorenz From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Apr 6 11:40:32 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id LAA18785; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 11:40:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 11:40:32 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.32.19990406160206.006e6674@net.ganymed.org> X-Sender: lorenz@net.ganymed.org X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Tue, 06 Apr 1999 17:13:00 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: U*phonic Subject: Re: Jungle Funk Technology Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"umM4F3.0.H73.Q7Y2t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4954 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com i just went through the january '98 catalog. there isn't a cyberbass in it, but the sound module. it has 200 programmable presets, 16 dual oszilatiors (=32), 6-part multitimbral, offers a 2-pole filter, 2x 24bit programmable dual effects processors, 10 drum kits, expandable RAM up to 1mb, 6 outputs, ...and all that in 1 single rack space additional features are an automatic 4-channel midi reception, internal storage of 4 cyberbass performance banks, and a memory card slot. i hope this helped you in a sort of way... lorenz At 11:25 06.04.99 +0200, you wrote: >hey! > > >i've been looking for this cyberbass on the peawey site. > > >i can not find it! > >is it out of production? > > >a/d > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Apr 6 11:43:49 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id LAA19366; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 11:43:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 11:43:49 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 11:12:25 -0400 (EDT) From: Adam Levin X-Sender: alevin@red To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Subject: Saturday: Daevid Allen & Kramer w/Fingerpaint in Baltimore Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"uwDZe3.0.zZ3.ZIY2t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4957 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Baltimore Progressive Rock Showcase Series Orion Sound Studios 2903 Whittington Ave Baltimore, Maryland Saturday April 10 1999 8PM On Saturday April 10th, Daevid Allen founding member of Soft Machine, spiritual father of Gong and it's assorted offshoots and a man who could rightly be considered the father of space rock music will appear at Orion Sound Studios in Baltimore MD in a special performance with Kramer, his collaborator on two 90's albums as well as the late 70's New York Gong project. Opening the show will be the ambient electronic guitar-based duo Fingerpaint. Fingerpaint's music mines the vein of ambient music pioneered by artists like Brian Eno and Cluster, while adding their own unique sound. ADMISSION: $10 at the door/All ages OTHER INFO: Call the studio at 410.646.7334 after 2pm EST. Email alevin@ProgRock.net, or point your favorite web browser to http://www.progrock.net/shows/showcase/ ======================================================================== Directions: -Take I-95 to exit 50, Caton Ave. (Just inside the south west side of the 695 beltway) -Take Caton Ave south to the third traffic light and turn left onto Washington Blvd -Go 1/4 mile up the hill to the U-Haul sign and turn right onto Inverness. -At the end of Inverness, turn left onto Whittington Ave. -Go to the end of Whittington and turn right into the parking lot at 2903 Whittington, in the Whittington Business Center. -Orion is on the right. -Adam --- "...if one strives at hearing for the sake of constant virtue, out of seeking liberation from cyclic existence, gradually one becomes a Hearer." - Chandrakirti T h e D a r k A e t h e r P r o j e c t http://www.darkaether.net/ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Apr 6 12:34:41 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id MAA27206; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 12:34:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 12:34:41 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: djdowling@earthlink.net Message-ID: <370A402D.7A4E@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 06 Apr 1999 12:11:09 -0500 Reply-To: djdowling@earthlink.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: JAM MAN on eBay X-URL: http://www.annihilist.com/loop/list/LoopList.html Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"snODi3.0.tg5.h5Z2t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4958 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hey, Jam Man up for auction on eBay cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAP.d11?ViewItem&item=87637622 good luck Mange From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Apr 6 12:44:28 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id MAA28728; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 12:44:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 12:44:28 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: MrBERWELL@aol.com Message-ID: <37784992.243b90f0@aol.com> Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 12:31:44 EDT Subject: Re: Jungle Funk Pictures To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Reply-To: MrBERWELL@aol.com Resent-Message-ID: <"Ugku3.0.Ad6.TTZ2t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4959 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com yes, I am very interested!!!! Please send me the scans. Jody McAllister From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Apr 6 13:45:42 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id NAA08421; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 13:45:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 13:45:42 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199904061730.MAA05671@mail.netdirect.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Tue, 06 Apr 1999 12:13:21 -0500 Subject: Re: Loops and Coffee in Ohio. From: "mister gone" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: <"8Tfip.0.q51.AKa2t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4960 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com where is mentor? ______________________________ ___________________________ - j . e r i c s h a l l o p "deep in my heart, i have a eshallop@netdirect.net great hate for music." (saddest new kid on the block) - blixa bargeld ---------- >From: petr dolak >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Subject: Loops and Coffee in Ohio. >Date: Tue, Apr 6, 1999, 9:32 AM > > Loops and Coffee in Ohio. > Performances of Petr Dol=B7k. Electric and acoustic guitars. Incidental > instruments. Looping devices. Music and sounds. Poetry in English and > Czech. > Saturday, April 10, 1999. 8:00 pm. > Arabica, 1688 West Market Street. > Akron, OH. > and > Friday, April 23, 1999. 8:00 pm. > Arabica, Main Street. > Mentor, OH. > > > =3D=3D=3D > > > > > > > Nasledujici oznameni je bohuzel nevyhnutelne. V zadnem pripade ale > neznamena, ze bych osobne chtel propagovat tuto spolecnost. > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Apr 6 14:26:19 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id OAA15284; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 14:26:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 14:26:19 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <370A4DE2.5F61@cnetix.com> Date: Tue, 06 Apr 1999 13:09:38 -0500 From: Hung Viet Nguyen Reply-To: hungn@cnetix.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Subject: EH 16 sec delay REISSUE!!! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"OOunT.0.P23.Tta2t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4961 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thought this might make some of you drool. Somebody posted a notice on the harmony central classifieds stating that they had just learned from Sovtek that a reissue of the EH 16 sec delay Holy Grail may be coming in about six months. He mentioned a price of $350! Take that you pathetic Jamman ripoff rogues! BTW, I'm thinking about letting go of my beloved Chapman stick. It's a wooden 10 string instrument #1024 in mint condition. Comes with the sturdy flight case. I bought it new in 1995, and have only played it at home. Asking price is $1000. Any interest? From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Apr 6 14:40:48 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id OAA17619; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 14:40:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 14:40:48 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <99Apr6.141938edt.19637@Donmills.corporate.southam.ca> From: Jim Bailey To: "'looppost'" Subject: RE: Residents Tour.... Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 14:25:19 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_NextPart_000_01BE8039.501B2500" Resent-Message-ID: <"MKKF62.0.hY3.x1b2t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4962 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com ------ =_NextPart_000_01BE8039.501B2500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ---------- From: andre[SMTP:andre@monmouth.com] Subject: Residents Tour.... >saw the residenst to nite in NYC - Any info on other dates on the tour? I'd like to see them if they're coming to Toronto. 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Resent-Message-ID: <"a_RDM3.0.5_6.eIc2t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4963 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 01:09 PM 4/6/99 -0500, Hung Viet Nguyen wrote: >Thought this might make some of you drool. Somebody posted a notice on >the harmony central classifieds stating that they had just learned from >Sovtek that a reissue of the EH 16 sec delay Holy Grail may be coming in >about six months. they've been saying that for years now.... Don't hold your breath there.... kim ________________________________________________________ Kim Flint, MTS 408-752-9284 ATI Research kflint@atitech.com http://www.atitech.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Apr 6 16:47:29 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id QAA06420; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 16:47:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 16:47:29 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 15:59:14 -0400 (EDT) From: Stew Benedict To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Loops and Coffee in Ohio. In-Reply-To: <199904061730.MAA05671@mail.netdirect.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Resent-Message-ID: <"8w-8j.0.Ju7.Pcc2t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4964 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Far East of Cleveland Stew On Tue, 6 Apr 1999, mister gone wrote: > where is mentor? > ______________________________ ___________________________ > - j . e r i c s h a l l o p "deep in my heart, i have a > eshallop@netdirect.net great hate for music." > (saddest new kid on the block) - blixa bargeld >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > ---------- > >From: petr dolak > >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > >Subject: Loops and Coffee in Ohio. > >Date: Tue, Apr 6, 1999, 9:32 AM > > >=20 > > Loops and Coffee in Ohio. > > Performances of Petr Dol=B7k. Electric and acoustic guitars. Incident= al > > instruments. Looping devices. Music and sounds. Poetry in English an= d > > Czech. > > Saturday, April 10, 1999. 8:00 pm. > > Arabica, 1688 West Market Street. > > Akron, OH. > > and > > Friday, April 23, 1999. 8:00 pm. > > Arabica, Main Street. > > Mentor, OH. > > > > > > =3D=3D=3D > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nasledujici oznameni je bohuzel nevyhnutelne. V zadnem pripade ale > > neznamena, ze bych osobne chtel propagovat tuto spolecnost. > > _________________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > >=20 >=20 >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Apr 6 17:01:23 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id RAA08573; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 17:01:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 17:01:23 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Sender: r_t_cummings@csi.com Message-ID: <370A520A.E7FA6BC0@csi.com> Date: Tue, 06 Apr 1999 20:27:22 +0200 From: Cummings X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [de] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers Delight Subject: Re: Tabla; Was: Wave Drums References: <001a01be7fb6$e669ee70$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> <370964D1.EB8BFA75@magelang.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"oKgHs.0.y8.9hc2t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4966 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com sounds like fun - i've been "attaching" piezos to cymbals with plumber's putty. they also work great on kalimbas, pieces of wood ... EAR IDEARS: - send the signal into a resonator or short delay with high feedback for an analog "WAVE DRUM" - send piezo-cymbal sounds into a pitch shifter - swallow a piezo with a vey long wire attached (don't laugh, it's been done) be careful not to get any between the piezo-element and the drum/cymbal surface. the key to a non-distorted sound is to have the piezo-element completely flush with the vibrating surface. the other thing you may want to consider is a preamp circuit. and seriously, this isn't OT - i LOOP this stuff ... -the man cable- Jim Coker schrieb: > > I got one at Guitar Shittr a while back, can't remember > which kind, but they were little metal discs (piezo > pickups can be a variety of sizes), and the larger > ones had much better bass response. You can tape or > glue it to just about anything, so location is a personal > preference. It's definitely *not* a way to get > an accuate recording of an acoustic instrument, but > can be lots o fun for playing around. On a tabla > or bayan, I'd try taping it near the edge of the head. > > Jim > > Dennis W. Leas wrote: > > > > Hi, Jim! Tell me more about the piezo pick-up. What kinds/types/brands are > > recommended? Where is it placed on the tabla/bayan? How is it mounted > > (i.e., what holds it on)? Etc.! > > > > Thanks! > > > > Dennis Leas > > ----------------------------- > > dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Apr 6 17:06:35 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id RAA09343; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 17:06:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 17:06:35 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: cstecker@barr642.berkeley.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 12:09:49 -0800 To: ba-newmus@eartha.mills.edu, snuggles@kuci.org, Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, synth-diy@mailhost.bpa.nl, analogue@hyperreal.org From: Chris Stecker Subject: EVENT: Omni-Micro: Bay Area Experimental Electronics in April Resent-Message-ID: <"FR5Q93.0.d_7.4fc2t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4965 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Here's an announcement for a four-part weekly series happening in Oakland this month. The series is a spinoff of the successful OmniMedia festival, which you may have read about in last December's "Electronic Musician." Lest you think this posting is off-topic, you will be interested in these events because: you are A) Interested in Bay Area New Music B) A Found-Sound Enthusiast C) Love loop music and tools for looping audio D) Build your own electronic musical instruments E) Just dig Analog Synthesizers F) All of the above and Omni-Micro features A) a whole lot of innovative local artists (all four weeks) B) Appropriation and sound collage (especially Apr 15 and Apr 22) C) loops loops LOOPS! (esp the 15th, 22nd, and 29th) D) homebrew gadgetry (especially Apr 8 and 29th) E) many many analog synthesizers (esp. the 22nd and the 8th) F) All of the above! If you have any questions, please do not hesitate to write me directly. Thanks. -Chris Stecker honcho, Ovenguard Music -------------------------------------------------- Artists' Theater Workshop (Oakland), AirSickBags Omnimedia, & Ovenguard Music Present: Omnimicro: A Series of Themed Electronic Improvisational Explorations. Omnimicro is a month-long weekly performance showcase of electronic musicians, visual artists, and technological dweebing that will vibrate the walls of the ATW with trickle-down technology. Every Thursday in April at the Artists' Theater Workshop 1932 Telegraph Avenue, Downtown Oakland, nr. the 19th St. BART Doors: 7:30/Show: 8:00 $5-$7 Slide Thursday, April 8: An evening of tricked-out gadgets Match wits with the notorious VibraTron, Computerized Etch-A-Sketch, and The NESbyt. Techno-junkyard detritus meets mad-scientist aesthetic. Featuring: Rape of Desire, The Univac Index (w/Bulk Foodveyor), Walter Funk, Dirge Control Apparatus (audio), & Electrolux 28 (visuals). With installations by Peter H. King & Rich Humphrey Thursday, April 15: The raVe [rd]Emix! Main ingredient: rave music (some of your favorite flavors). End product: Something very different. ABSOLUTELY NO DANCING will be allowed at this event. Featuring: fluorescent grey, Mr. Merides, & Dr. Aaron Wolf Baum (audio), & David Tristram (visuals) Thursday, April 22: An evening of sound design, audio environments, ambience, and drone Close your eyes and go there. Featuring: Wobbly, Involution, Brain Science, David Elinoff (audio), Imaja, & Optikal Nutrasweet(tm) (visuals) Thursday, April 29: Hot Licks: Guitars out of Joint Prepared, treated, processed, broken, & repaired. All strings must go... Featuring: Vance Galloway, Steev Hise, Jet Black Hair People, DJ Pod (audio), & Optikal Nutrasweet(tm) (visuals All shows, as well as your life, are subject to unforseen changes. Please check www.ovenguard.com for current updates, or email omnimedia@ovenguard.com About the Artists' Theater Workshop: Artists' Theater Workshop is a film, video, and performance art venue dedicated to previewing and promoting the work of Oakland artists, and to the edification of existing and future film-buffs. Located in the historic Floral Depot at 19th and Telegraph in downtown Oakland, the intimate screening room provides a vibrant social environment that encourages meaningful discourse and community involvement. This resourceful new venue will testify to both the great diversity of creative expression within the realm of experimental and independent film, video, and performance art and to the exhilarating cultural mix that makes life in Oakland unique. ATW's cutting edge presentations combine the experimental and the familiar, the global and the local, to create an alternative to the ever encroaching cineplexes and the pretensions of corporate galleries. Contact: Erika or Antonia at Lowrance Productions: 510-653-1602 LowrancePR@aol.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Apr 6 17:45:52 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id RAA15506; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 17:45:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 17:45:52 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199904062102.QAA26927@mail.netdirect.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Tue, 06 Apr 1999 15:59:06 -0500 Subject: Re: Loops and Coffee in Ohio. From: "mister gone" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: <"gMP1E1.0.FA2.-Qd2t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4967 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com oh, sorry, can't go. ______________________________ ___________________________ - j . e r i c s h a l l o p "deep in my heart, i have a eshallop@netdirect.net great hate for music." (saddest new kid on the block) - blixa bargeld > Far East of Cleveland >> > Loops and Coffee in Ohio. >> > Performances of Petr Dol=85k. Electric and acoustic guitars. Incidenta= l >> > instruments. Looping devices. Music and sounds. Poetry in English a= nd >> > Czech. >> > Saturday, April 10, 1999. 8:00 pm. >> > Arabica, 1688 West Market Street. >> > Akron, OH. >> > and >> > Friday, April 23, 1999. 8:00 pm. >> > Arabica, Main Street. >> > Mentor, OH. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Apr 6 20:11:32 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id UAA03250; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 20:11:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 20:11:32 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <55213d0b.243bf311@aol.com> Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 19:30:25 EDT Subject: Re: Loops and Coffee in Ohio. To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 Reply-To: Nemoguitt@aol.com Resent-Message-ID: <"AnMp7.0.GL7.zef2t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4968 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 4/6/99 7:46:14 PM Mid-Atlantic Daylight Time, stewb@earthlink.net writes: << Far East of Cleveland >> how far east?..........michael From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Apr 6 22:24:14 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id WAA20264; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 22:24:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 22:24:14 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Douglas Lawrence" To: Subject: RE: EH 16 sec delay REISSUE!!! Have Faith!! Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 22:03:36 -0400 Message-ID: <000601be809a$d98fc730$87500218@cc1006472-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.19990406194527.011b9d0c@pop.chromatic.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"q9zbR3.0.rJ4.Nqh2t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4970 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >>>Thought this might make some of you drool. Somebody posted a notice on >>>the harmony central classifieds stating that they had just learned from >>>Sovtek that a reissue of the EH 16 sec delay Holy Grail may be coming in >>>about six months. >they've been saying that for years now.... Don't hold your breath there.... >kim They just started shipping the Micro Synthesizer reissues and no one thought they would do that either. They are going for about $320. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Apr 6 22:11:39 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id WAA18825; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 22:11:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 22:11:39 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 21:32:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Stew Benedict To: Nemoguitt@aol.com cc: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Loops and Coffee in Ohio. In-Reply-To: <55213d0b.243bf311@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"fgXnx2.0.UW3.UQh2t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4969 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Maybe 25 miles? I live on the West side. Are you in the Cleveland area? Stew On Tue, 6 Apr 1999 Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 4/6/99 7:46:14 PM Mid-Atlantic Daylight Time, > stewb@earthlink.net writes: > > << Far East of Cleveland >> > how far east?..........michael > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Apr 6 23:52:45 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id XAA32747; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 23:52:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 23:52:45 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <01BE806C.29E8D2A0.crlwind@grin.net> From: James Potter Reply-To: "crlwind@grin.net" To: "'andre'" , "Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Subject: RE: Residents Tour.... Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 20:04:41 -0700 Organization: Crawling Wind Records X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"8ur9B2.0.n87.O3j2t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4971 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I saw that show at the Fillmore last October. Did they have the large gamelan group in Resident's outfits in the second half? Probably only a local SF thing... On Monday, April 05, 1999 10:14 PM, andre [SMTP:andre@monmouth.com] wrote: > Little looping here.. but it works.... > > saw the residenst to nite in NYC - great friggin show... what a tradition > of madness.. they did "stories from the bible - wormwwood" - their latest > CD/multi media theatrical work. pls go if you're in town..... i hear tix > for the 2nd and 3rd nights are in abundance!!! > > great show - amazingly diverse music, played and live by real > musicians....albeit they were hidden behind huge eyeballsss!!! > > see ya > > andre' > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 7 01:53:04 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id BAA28631; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 01:53:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 01:53:04 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 00:13:15 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199904070613.AAA28374@servidor.unam.mx> X-Sender: smaug@servidor.unam.mx (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Andy Soto Subject: RE: EH 16 sec delay REISSUE!!! Have Faith!! Resent-Message-ID: <"OiQtq2.0.wk5.Ufk2t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4972 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Could you believe I just recieved my Microsynth last week and it=B4s= already broken???? it NEVER worked,it=B4s ass is going back to Sovtek already... Andy. At 10:03 PM 6/04/99 -0400, you wrote: > >>>>Thought this might make some of you drool. Somebody posted a notice on >>>>the harmony central classifieds stating that they had just learned from >>>>Sovtek that a reissue of the EH 16 sec delay Holy Grail may be coming in >>>>about six months. > >>they've been saying that for years now.... Don't hold your breath= there.... >>kim > >They just started shipping the Micro Synthesizer reissues and no one= thought >they would do that either. They are going for about $320. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 7 04:27:33 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id EAA11473; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 04:27:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 04:27:33 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <370B13F7.47DF1175@sfsu.edu> Date: Wed, 07 Apr 1999 01:14:47 -0700 From: "Matthew P. Davignon" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Subject: No, they're touring again! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"yH9O83.0.Wg2.KLn2t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4974 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Andre said "I saw that show at the Fillmore last October. Did they have the large gamelan group in Resident's outfits in the second half? Probably only a local SF thing... " and Matt says "That was the LAST tour. Somehow, they're doing it again! They'll be in Berkeley and Oakland sometime this month. Maritime Hall is sponsoring one of the shows. Check your SF Weekly or Guardian for the exact date. Of course, the tickets are way too expensive for me. $30 will buy me a week's worth of food!" From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 7 04:24:13 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id EAA11238; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 04:24:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 04:24:13 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <370B12CE.C2F47948@sfsu.edu> Date: Wed, 07 Apr 1999 01:09:50 -0700 From: "Matthew P. Davignon" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: micro synthesizers References: <000601be809a$d98fc730$87500218@cc1006472-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"m3ME61.0.nc2.YHn2t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4973 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Haha I have one of the original micro synthesizers and I've had it all along! With the new ones, it's easier to move the switches but now it has one of those fat electric plugs. The bad thing is...now I have to start doing original stuff again to sound original, instead of just using wierd obscure effects. matt > They just started shipping the Micro Synthesizer reissues and no one thought > they would do that either. They are going for about $320. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 7 10:02:12 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id KAA07687; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 10:02:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 10:02:12 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: DDemarc@aol.com Message-ID: <6893dc1f.243cb9d3@aol.com> Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 09:38:27 EDT Subject: Re: EH 16 sec delay REISSUE!!! Have Faith!! To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 246 Reply-To: DDemarc@aol.com Resent-Message-ID: <"tdqgJ.0.aC1.91s2t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4976 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 4/6/99 7:23:11 PM Pacific Daylight Time, douglas-lawrence@home.com writes: << They just started shipping the Micro Synthesizer reissues and no one thought they would do that either. They are going for about $320. >> I got a Bass Microsynth RI for $215. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 7 10:22:55 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id KAA10386; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 10:22:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 10:22:55 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199904071334.JAA17197@shell.monmouth.com> Reply-To: From: "andre" To: Subject: Re: Residents Tour.... Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 09:32:46 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"KtRht.0.U51.Jzr2t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4975 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > > >saw the residenst to nite in NYC - > > Any info on other dates on the tour? I'd like to see them if they're coming to Toronto. > Jim Bailey lotsa complete info on their official site http://www.residents.com andre' > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 7 12:09:05 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id MAA25533; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 12:09:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 12:09:05 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Synthblock@aol.com Message-ID: <12fcb558.243cd61a@aol.com> Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 11:39:06 EDT Subject: Akai Headrush/New member To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Netmail sub 2 Reply-To: Synthblock@aol.com Resent-Message-ID: <"XAB2l1.0.5E5.Yrt2t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4977 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi, I've seen some posts concerning the Headrush; www.zzounds.com has it for sale for $169, although it's not available yet. I'm fairly new to guitar looping, having just picked up the guitar again after a six-year layoff. I'm using a Fender Deluxe Super Strat, a Zoom 503 amp simulator, some effects pedals, and a Boss Sx-700. I also have a Quasimidi 309 that I send the guitar through for some interesting effects. Pretty limited as far as looping goes, but hopefully I'll get more adept once the Headrush comes in. Do folks on this list do looping strictly with guitars, or do some use keyboards as well? I've been doing loops with keyboards for the last six years. I'm using a Roland XP50 and it's onboard sequencer, as well as the Quasimidi, but I'm not sure if it would be considered looping. I record under the name Synthetic Block, and many of the tracks I've done are simply a large series of sequenced keyboard loops. Anyway, I look forward to participating in this list. Regards, Jonathan (http://members.tripod.com/~synthetic_block/) From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 7 14:13:39 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id OAA12815; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 14:13:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 14:13:39 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <370BA14E.2287@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 07 Apr 1999 11:17:50 -0700 From: scott kungha drengsen X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-MACOS8 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Synthblock@aol.com CC: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Akai Headrush/New member References: <12fcb558.243cd61a@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"KN_Vq2.0.Mi2.jrv2t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4979 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com OOPS! forgot the Stick players,must be because one replaced me in one of my favorite bands;) From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 7 14:16:41 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id OAA13616; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 14:16:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 14:16:41 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <370B9A77.54D2@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 07 Apr 1999 10:48:40 -0700 From: scott kungha drengsen X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-MACOS8 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Synthblock@aol.com CC: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Akai Headrush/New member References: <12fcb558.243cd61a@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"vKn3a3.0.bQ1.0Rv2t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4978 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi Jonathan, As far as I can tell people on the list are looping with guitars,keyboards,basses,strings,didgeridoos,vocals,samples,some invented stuff(hi Bobdog) and everykind of percussion imaginable. Did I miss anyone? Kungha From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 7 14:16:07 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id OAA13531; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 14:16:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 14:16:07 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <2.2.32.19990407175946.008fc96c@pop.chromatic.com> X-Sender: kflint@pop.chromatic.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 07 Apr 1999 10:59:46 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, Synthblock@aol.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Akai Headrush/New member Cc: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Resent-Message-ID: <"BMp7C1.0.jr2.Gwv2t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4980 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 10:48 AM 4/7/99 -0700, scott kungha drengsen wrote: >Hi Jonathan, > As far as I can tell people on the list are looping with >guitars,keyboards,basses,strings,didgeridoos,vocals,samples,some >invented stuff(hi Bobdog) and everykind of percussion imaginable. >Did I miss anyone? > Kungha We also have people looping wind instruments (flute, sax, etc.), turntables, broadcast sounds from radio and TV, film dialog, found sounds, even looping the looping devices themselves in the case of David Myers. kim _________________________________________________________ Kim Flint, MTS kflint@atitech.com ATI Research 408-752-9284 From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 7 14:56:23 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id OAA20170; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 14:56:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 14:56:23 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <00a001be8127$4eee4ba0$1096adce@satellite> Reply-To: "Tom Lambrecht" From: "Tom Lambrecht" To: Subject: Re: Akai Headrush/New member Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 13:49:02 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"BKa8I.0.o54.7Nw2t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4981 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com digeridoos AND shortwave broadcasts AND Texas Instruments Speak and Reads . . . . ;) and washing machine hose bullroarers. drone on~~~~~~~~~~~~ Tom Lambrecht hideo@concentric.net -----Original Message----- From: scott kungha drengsen To: Synthblock@aol.com Cc: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Wednesday, April 07, 1999 1:23 PM Subject: Re: Akai Headrush/New member >Hi Jonathan, > As far as I can tell people on the list are looping with >guitars,keyboards,basses,strings,didgeridoos,vocals,samples,some >invented stuff(hi Bobdog) and everykind of percussion imaginable. >Did I miss anyone? > Kungha > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 7 15:03:29 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id PAA21247; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 15:03:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 15:03:29 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <370BA3EB.75361B86@uswest.com> Date: Wed, 07 Apr 1999 12:28:59 -0600 From: "James Lanpheer" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en]C-USWC0720 (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Akai Headrush/New member References: <12fcb558.243cd61a@aol.com> <370B9A77.54D2@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"2lMF8.0.Vn4.ubw2t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4982 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Let me add that I'm also looping various saxophones, physical modeling synths (Yamaha VL1-m) and regular synths (Korg Wavestation and Emu Morpheus) driven by wind-controllers (Yamaha WX7 and WX11). In addition to many of the below.... Regards, Jim scott kungha drengsen wrote: > Hi Jonathan, > As far as I can tell people on the list are looping with > guitars,keyboards,basses,strings,didgeridoos,vocals,samples,some > invented stuff(hi Bobdog) and everykind of percussion imaginable. > Did I miss anyone? > Kungha From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 7 15:15:33 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id PAA23605; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 15:15:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 15:15:33 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 11:57:30 -0700 Message-ID: <001BBC67.C21407@wj.com> From: Mike.Biffle@wj.com (Mike Biffle) Subject: Re[2]: Akai Headrush/New member To: , "Tom Lambrecht" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Resent-Message-ID: <"xSR93.0.IH5.Tnw2t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4984 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > digeridoos AND shortwave broadcasts AND Texas Instruments Speak and Reads. ;) > and washing machine hose bullroarers. > drone on~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Tom Lambrecht Toddlers and their toys... -Miko From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 7 15:20:44 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id PAA24398; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 15:20:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 15:20:44 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: william.m.seiberling@us.arthurandersen.com X-Lotus-FromDomain: ANDERSEN WO To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-ID: <0525674C.006CBD20.00@us.arthurandersen.com> Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 14:52:49 -0500 Subject: Echoplex Digital Pro Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"Aj1_D.0.m75.ejw2t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4983 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com For those of you on waiting lists for the Oberheim Echoplex Digital Pro, I just spoke to customer support at Gibson, and they said it will be 60 to 90 days before production starts. *******************Internet Email Confidentiality Footer******************* Privileged/Confidential Information may be contained in this message. 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From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 7 15:54:34 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id PAA29990; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 15:54:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 15:54:34 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 12:31:55 -0700 Message-ID: <001BBD00.C21407@wj.com> From: Mike.Biffle@wj.com (Mike Biffle) Subject: Re: Echoplex Digital Pro To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, william.m.seiberling@us.arthurandersen.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Resent-Message-ID: <"NOkQF3.0.Tl6.OIx2t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4985 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com While this may be true, Gib-Obie had promised Alto Music that they would fill *their* orders before cutting and running to Palo Alto. That was when I was about 12th on the list at Alto. Gibson initially told Alto they would build and ship 2 units a day. Reality was it took mine 5-6 weeks to arrive. I just got a call from Alto yesterday and my EDP is on it's way! Boy howdy! Hope it gets here in one piece... (after hearing of the shipping damage woes of Pat, Scott etc...) -MMMM ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Echoplex Digital Pro Author: william.m.seiberling@us.arthurandersen.com at INTERNET Date: 4/7/99 3:15 PM For those of you on waiting lists for the Oberheim Echoplex Digital Pro, I just spoke to customer support at Gibson, and they said it will be 60 to 90 days before production starts. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 7 16:55:31 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id QAA07879; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 16:55:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 16:55:31 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Bowpal@aol.com Message-ID: <3534943e.243d1004@aol.com> Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 15:46:12 EDT Subject: Jamman To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0.i for Windows 95 sub 175 Reply-To: Bowpal@aol.com Resent-Message-ID: <"v_9Zv3.0.c77.sQx2t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4986 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Does anyone have a Jamman for sale? I'm looking for a unit in England in order to keep costs down. Mail me directly. Thanks. Tony. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 7 17:30:29 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id RAA13461; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 17:30:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 17:30:29 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <370BC268.5863CFDC@sfsu.edu> Date: Wed, 07 Apr 1999 13:39:04 -0700 From: "Matthew P. Davignon" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Subject: things that we loop Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"0Js222.0.Qd1.oGy2t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4987 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I looped my stomach sounds once. ...really! It didn't come out too well though. matt From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 7 18:09:55 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id SAA20398; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 18:09:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 18:09:55 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: cho@gomez.jpl.nasa.gov (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <001BBC67.C21407@wj.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 14:46:20 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Chris Chovit Subject: EDP feedback pedal question Resent-Message-ID: <"I7KXQ1.0.du3.c7z2t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4988 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Here's a simnple question that I couldn't find a direct answer for on the web site: Does the feedback jack on the EDP expect a 3 conductor (stereo + ground ) plug or a 2 conductor (mono + ground) plug? THanks, in advance! - Chris ----------------------------- Chris Chovit cho@newdream.net From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 7 18:36:08 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id SAA25472; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 18:36:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 18:36:08 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <002801be8143$4d127600$94b84e0c@u73x0> From: "James Pokorny" To: Subject: Re: Akai Headrush/New member Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 18:09:25 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"-Ogai.0.Du4.8Uz2t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4989 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hello to all the group: I'm new to the 'net, new to the group, new to looping, but have been doing music for quite a few years. This thread is as good a time as any to introduce myself. I recently purchased an EDP and have begun to experiment with live looping. I've spent the last fifteen years studying North Indian Classical music both in the States and in India. I'm having lots of fun looping with sitar and surbahar (bass sitar), as well as other middle eastern/south asian stringed instruments like the Turkish baglama, the Iranian tar, and the Afghani rabab. I'm sure it's been discussed in the past, but I'd like to make some recommendations for "traditional" music that incorporates rhythmic and melodic repetition in a "looping" sense. Here are some good recordings: "Ritual Mouth-Organs of the Murung" Auvidis CD W 260084 -- this is traditional ensemble music from a tribal people in Bangladesh -- there's no relation at all to the "classical" or even the folk music of India/Pakistan/Bangladesh. Hard to describe the music, but the "mouth organs" have a reedy quality not unlike an electric organ, and are played in interlocking repetitive sections. My wife heard this from the next room and thought it was Brian Eno! Come to think of it, it even sounds a bit like a less thickly-textured Terry Riley. The Auvidis website is http://www.mcm.asso.fr They have many great recordings of traditional music from around the world. Almost any music you can find from "Balouchistan" which is more of a cultural area than an independent country. The Baluchi area basically overlaps eastern Iran, western Pakistan, and part of Afghanistan. Shanachie records # 65013 "Mystic Fiddle of the Proto-Gypsies" despite it's misleading title has some great music played on the "sorud" -- an upright fiddle which is also known throughout south and central asia as "sarinda" and "ghichak." A very haunting sound. I'd also recommend 2 recordings on the French Ocora label. The first, Ocora C 560105, is called "Balouchistan The Instrumental Tradition" and features not only the sorud, but also an incredible flute called "doneli" which is held more like a recorder (*not* the electronic one!) but is actually a "double flute" consisting of one flute for drone and the other for melody. A really interesting instrument played here is called the "benju" which is a Japanese "toy" instrument that's almost like an Appalachian dulcimer but played with a typewriter-style keyboard. Despite the silly look of the instrument, the gentleman playing it here is absolutely virtuosic. You would think it was an Iranian sehtar or other long-necked lute. The second Ocora disc (C 580017/18) is a double CD featuring all of the instruments mentioned above, as well as some singing and "healing ceremonies." I'd recommend only to investigate this one if you hear and like the others. A little closer to home (?) is a recording of Sardinian folk music on the Al Sur label (ALCD 157) called "Sardaigne - Les Maitres de la musique instrumentale" or "Masters of Instrumental Music." The first few pieces are recordings of the "organetto," a small accordian. These are mainly dance pieces. The remainder of the disc is taken up with various flute/recorder instruments, the most fascinating of which is called "launeddas" which are reed pipes that are played (like the "doneli" above) either in pairs, or even in threes. Circular breathing is used to create a continuous sound. The melodies themselves are short, repetitive kernels which are played over and over, but not always symmetrically. I imagine that on the page this looks pretty dull, but hearing it you'd be surprised how much it rocks. I apologize in advance for being somewhat off-topic but I think that anyone interested in looping and in traditional music would find these interesting. Looking forward to more interesting discussions with the group. James Pokorny From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 7 18:33:28 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id SAA25087; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 18:33:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 18:33:28 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990407220915.12116.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [212.40.5.77] From: "Philipp Zuercher" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: things that we loop Date: Wed, 07 Apr 1999 15:09:14 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"K1NAx3.0.Q45.iVz2t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4991 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Got a fart and burp looped myself, once I was pretty drunk, if anyone is interested... cheerio >From: "Matthew P. Davignon" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >To: "Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" >Subject: things that we loop >Date: Wed, 07 Apr 1999 13:39:04 -0700 > >I looped my stomach sounds once. ...really! It didn't come out too well >though. > >matt > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 7 18:42:08 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id SAA26231; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 18:42:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 18:42:08 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990407181306.007a0990@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 07 Apr 1999 18:13:06 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Akai Headrush/New member In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.19990407175946.008fc96c@pop.chromatic.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"ET7L33.0.0w4.JUz2t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4990 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >, even looping >the looping devices themselves in the case of David Myers. > >kim Wow, how does he do THAT? Tim From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 7 18:47:29 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id SAA27134; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 18:47:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 18:47:29 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <370BDA14.5ABF03DA@uswest.com> Date: Wed, 07 Apr 1999 16:20:04 -0600 From: "James Lanpheer" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en]C-USWC0720 (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: things that we loop References: <370BC268.5863CFDC@sfsu.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"4Gvh5.0.fZ5.dfz2t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4992 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Did it result in indigestion? :p Matthew P. Davignon wrote: > I looped my stomach sounds once. ...really! It didn't come out too well > though. > > matt From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 7 19:09:41 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id TAA30436; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 19:09:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 19:09:41 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <001BBC67.C21407@wj.com> Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 17:42:39 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Patrick Smith Subject: Re[2]: Akai Headrush/New member Resent-Message-ID: <"sNaF_1.0.sW6.T_z2t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4995 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com in the past we have looped various analo, digital, & fm synths and drum machines,as well as guiar, samplers, heavily effected vocals.... one of our faves is the omnichord and a vase a third full with marbles and aters run through a vortex... Patrick From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 7 19:09:06 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id TAA30399; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 19:09:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 19:09:06 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <2.2.32.19990407222403.00c294fc@pop.chromatic.com> X-Sender: kflint@pop.chromatic.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 07 Apr 1999 15:24:03 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: EDP feedback pedal question Resent-Message-ID: <"WEon91.0.ui5.Hjz2t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4993 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 02:46 PM 4/7/99 -0700, you wrote: >Here's a simnple question that I couldn't find a direct answer for on the >web site: > >Does the feedback jack on the EDP expect a 3 conductor (stereo + ground ) >plug or a 2 conductor (mono + ground) plug? 2 conductor, with the "hot" going to the wiper of the potentiometer in the pedal. kim ________________________________________________________ Kim Flint, MTS 408-752-9284 ATI Research kflint@atitech.com http://www.atitech.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 7 19:09:05 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id TAA30396; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 19:09:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 19:09:05 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <009301be8149$55eddc00$1998adce@satellite> Reply-To: "Tom Lambrecht" From: "Tom Lambrecht" To: Subject: Re: Echoplex Digital Pro Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 17:51:47 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"qUPQL2.0.KM6.Txz2t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4994 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com the only diff between toddlers and boys . . . is the size and price of their looping toys ;) Tom Lambrecht hideo@concentric.net Miko said: >Toddlers and their toys... > > I just got a call from Alto yesterday and my EDP is on it's way! 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However, if you wish to be removed from this promotion or any future mailings, just send an email to: clickhere ==================================================== >> From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 7 20:15:46 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id UAA07297; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 20:15:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 20:15:46 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990407234811.20591.rocketmail@web110.yahoomail.com> Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 16:48:11 -0700 (PDT) From: dan sumner Subject: Re: micro synthesizers To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"V7QVC.0.Zr.ux-2t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4997 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Matthew, I am a huge fan of the M.S. I did not know that there was a reissue availible! Can you tell me how to get it? DAn --- "Matthew P. Davignon" wrote: > Haha I have one of the original micro synthesizers > and I've had it all along! > With the new ones, it's easier to move the switches > but now it has one of those > fat electric plugs. The bad thing is...now I have to > start doing original stuff > again to sound original, instead of just using wierd > obscure effects. > > matt > > > They just started shipping the Micro Synthesizer > reissues and no one thought > > they would do that either. They are going for > about $320. > > > > _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 7 20:27:37 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id UAA08844; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 20:27:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 20:27:37 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990407195834.007be430@panther.middlebury.edu> X-Sender: mchriste@panther.middlebury.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 07 Apr 1999 19:58:34 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: murkie Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"Yjre42.0.YF1.66_2t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Unidentified subject! Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4998 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com hey guys. i'm getting my webpage back up and running to promote my forthcoming disc. check it out at: http://www.middlebury.edu/~mchriste/audio.html yes there is some looping going on! any input or commentary is welcomed and apprecited. m ===================================================================== = = = M a r k C h r i s t e n s e n = = Cramped Quarters Studio / Jasperpottamus Music Publishing = = internet: murkie@middlebury.edu = = http://www.middlebury.edu/~mchriste/murkie.html = = = ===================================================================== From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 7 20:39:12 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id UAA10418; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 20:39:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 20:39:12 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <004401be8155$e6c49a00$d132dacf@mis13> Reply-To: "Stephen Goodman@Work" From: "Stephen Goodman@Work" To: Subject: Re: things that we loop Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 17:22:34 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"vzDMT.0.Ot1.iN_2t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4999 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Once I was in the midst of recording voice into loop, doing the usual diggerydoo-meets-choir sounds, when a friend I used to play with called from several states away. I got so caught up in the first 20 seconds of conversation I'd forgotten the loop - and the tape - were running. Then I recognized the phone's ringing coming round again, and stopped the tape. When I played it back there were several layers of me and my pal talking, along with the phone ringing of course. I'll put it in a song one of these days. Stephen Goodman EarthLight Productions http://www.earthlight.net From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 7 21:05:39 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id VAA14193; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 21:05:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 21:05:39 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Future Perfect" To: Subject: RE: micro synthesizers Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 20:39:01 -0400 Message-ID: <000401be8158$3228ea80$34ad0a3f@futurepe> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <19990407234811.20591.rocketmail@web110.yahoomail.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Resent-Message-ID: <"74w9R2.0.qa2.Uh_2t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5000 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I never tried the M.S., but I did own one of EH's 'Guitar Synthesizers', a 3 rack space, 3 oscillator noise machine that was the Micro's big brother. They didn't sell many of these (I bought mine used), and its claim to fame was being used on the first ASIA album. Dave Eichenberger ********************************************************************* 'Future Perfect' - art music http://home1.gte.net/artmusic/ > > Matthew, > I am a huge fan of the M.S. I did not know that there > was a reissue availible! Can you tell me how to get > it? > DAn From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 7 21:30:59 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id VAA17186; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 21:30:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 21:30:59 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: PMimlitsch@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 21:06:16 EDT Subject: Invasion of Time To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, Sticknews@aol.com, stickwire-l@majordomo.netcom.com, taptalk@ari.net, spaceling@iname.com, socknsol@skyhigh.com, philly_ambient@listbot.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: AOL 3.0.1 for Mac sub 84 Reply-To: PMimlitsch@aol.com Resent-Message-ID: <"WVq4C3.0.db3.6803t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5001 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri. April 9th. 8:00 pm-? "Down to Earth Coffeehouse, High St. , Mt. Holly,=20 N.J. The free improv/loop duo "Invasion of Time" (Paul Mimlitsch=20 -Warr=AE/Stick=AE/Loops and JimSpeer-midied Stick/ Loops) opening for Prog R= ock=20 trio "Three Hour Detour". $3.00 cover chg. See=20 <> and=20 <> for details. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 7 22:03:52 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id WAA21945; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 22:03:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 22:03:52 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Crossedout@aol.com Message-ID: <1030b541.243d5ee3@aol.com> Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 21:22:43 EDT Subject: ISIS recording hardware / software (off topic) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com CC: akai@cloudfactory.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 Reply-To: Crossedout@aol.com Resent-Message-ID: <"Ubs5u3.0.s54.BO03t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5002 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hey All - can anybody give me any feedback about ISIS digital recording hardware and software? It looks pretty good to me, but I figured before I drop the money, I should post to these two lists, because if someone has a horror story about it, I'll hear it!!! please reply off list, and sorry to interupt your regularly-scheduled lists. - Crossedout@aol.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 7 22:25:06 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id WAA25075; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 22:25:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 22:25:06 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <00a401be8163$bc490500$6a1bbfa8@default> Reply-To: "Collins" From: "Collins" To: Subject: Remastered Compositions Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 22:01:35 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"thzUN1.0.RM5.0w03t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5003 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Greetings all, Jeff Collins here...again. I would just like to take the time to let all know that I have now got my "Guitar Sonatas Volume 1" recording on CD now. I have also remastered it with a good amount of noise reduction and eq in certain places. I am now selling these CD's for $11.00 which includes shipping for America and $12.00 for all others out on this world. I would also like to let you know that the reason i ask what i ask is because I have put these all together by myself, with the editing, printing, labeling, etc. And it costs $ to do so. I also have my music on there and I do believe in my music and that it is worth as much as anyone else's (I'm sure many of you understand that). If you would like to hear a clip or two just go to my site @ http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Stadium/1429/STRANGETONES.html and go to where I am. (note: go to the bottom and the two ** can get you to more music) I would like to thank you all for providing me with great things to speak about and all the great friends i have met through this wonderful list. Congratulations Kim!! Sincerely, Jeff Collins From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 7 22:24:18 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id WAA25003; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 22:24:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 22:24:18 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199904080207.WAA22049@ulster.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Wed, 07 Apr 1999 22:05:28 -0400 Subject: loop da loop... From: "jmw/cmu" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"9VVcj3.0.mU5.cy03t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5004 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >>, even looping >>the looping devices themselves in the case of David Myers. >> >>kim > >Wow, how does he do THAT? > I don't know how Mr. Myers does it, but I just run the output of looper A into looper B and back again - if you do it enough times you'll get a very strange resonance since each device colors the sound in its own way. I imagine if you kept doing it for a year or so you'd end up with noise (and probably a messiah complex). jmw From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 7 23:06:23 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id XAA30817; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 23:06:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 23:06:23 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <000c01be8169$ba6ce340$6a1bbfa8@default> Reply-To: "Collins" From: "Collins" To: Subject: Re: loop da loop... Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 22:44:27 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"3sShE1.0.0o6.rX13t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5005 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >>Wow, how does he do THAT? > >I don't know how Mr. Myers does it, but I just run the output of looper A >into looper B and back again - if you do it enough times you'll get a very >strange resonance since each device colors the sound in its own way. I >imagine if you kept doing it for a year or so you'd end up with noise (and >probably a messiah complex). > That sounds like something I'd be interested in hearing. You'd end up with some interesting harmonics, i can tell you that. Jeff Collins From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 8 00:19:21 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id AAA07969; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 00:19:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 00:19:21 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: dmgraph@mail.earthlink.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.19990407175946.008fc96c@pop.chromatic.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 23:59:20 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: David Myers Subject: Loop the Loop Resent-Message-ID: <"k4Xxe2.0.FC1.Rd23t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5006 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >We also have people looping wind instruments (flute, sax, etc.), turntables, >broadcast sounds from radio and TV, film dialog, found sounds, even looping >the looping devices themselves in the case of David Myers. > >kim Kim, I think you're just trying to sniff out whether I'm still lurking here or not. I am. >I don't know how Mr. Myers does it, but I just run the output of looper A >into looper B and back again - if you do it enough times you'll get a very >strange resonance since each device colors the sound in its own way. I >imagine if you kept doing it for a year or so you'd end up with noise (and >probably a messiah complex). >jmw Good observation. Now, what if looper A can feed looper B and itself, and looper B can feed looper A and itself, and what if you have four loopers or more? And if you can manage control of all of those paths? Hmm... that's what been fueling my particular psychosis all these years. Get into it enough, and you begin to wonder about the need for guitars, keyboards, and all the endless discussion about graphite necks. Maybe I've looked too hard and am suffering from mental strain (a distinct possibility), but I've found that as I increase the microscope's focus, the specks of dust on the floor--through the miracle of the loop--take on an unexpected significance. Loop de Loop indeed! Strange Resonance... have to consider that as an album title (not to mention Messiah Complex).... David Myers BTW, anyone here been tuned into Ryoji Ikeda? From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 8 00:34:06 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id AAA12816; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 00:34:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 00:34:06 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 00:14:29 EDT Subject: Re: Akai Headrush/New member To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 Reply-To: Nemoguitt@aol.com Resent-Message-ID: <"g6ojy2.0.Mi1.Ks23t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5007 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 4/7/99 9:34:57 PM Mid-Atlantic Daylight Time, j.pokorny@worldnet.att.net writes: << Looking forward to more interesting discussions with the group. James Pokorny >> james.....welcome.....thanks for the wonderful info.....cant wait to hear your loops.......michael From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 8 01:58:38 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id BAA02172; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 01:58:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 01:58:38 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 00:37:24 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199904080637.AAA12261@servidor.unam.mx> X-Sender: smaug@servidor.unam.mx X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Andy Soto Subject: Re: Akai Headrush/New member Resent-Message-ID: <"OH_Ml1.0.lk7.8643t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5009 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com James thanx! looking for all those recordings already... At 06:09 PM 7/04/99 -0400, you wrote: >Hello to all the group: > >I'm new to the 'net, new to the group, new to looping, but have been doing >music for quite a few years. This thread is as good a time as any to >introduce myself. I recently purchased an EDP and have begun to experiment >with live looping. I've spent the last fifteen years studying North Indian >Classical music both in the States and in India. I'm having lots of fun >looping with sitar and surbahar (bass sitar), as well as other middle >eastern/south asian stringed instruments like the Turkish baglama, the >Iranian tar, and the Afghani rabab. > >I'm sure it's been discussed in the past, but I'd like to make some >recommendations for "traditional" music that incorporates rhythmic and >melodic repetition in a "looping" sense. Here are some good recordings: > >"Ritual Mouth-Organs of the Murung" Auvidis CD W 260084 -- this is >traditional ensemble music from a tribal people in Bangladesh -- there's no >relation at all to the "classical" or even the folk music of >India/Pakistan/Bangladesh. Hard to describe the music, but the "mouth >organs" have a reedy quality not unlike an electric organ, and are played in >interlocking repetitive sections. My wife heard this from the next room and >thought it was Brian Eno! Come to think of it, it even sounds a bit like a >less thickly-textured Terry Riley. The Auvidis website is >http://www.mcm.asso.fr They have many great recordings of traditional music >from around the world. > >Almost any music you can find from "Balouchistan" which is more of a >cultural area than an independent country. The Baluchi area basically >overlaps eastern Iran, western Pakistan, and part of Afghanistan. Shanachie >records # 65013 "Mystic Fiddle of the Proto-Gypsies" despite it's misleading >title has some great music played on the "sorud" -- an upright fiddle which >is also known throughout south and central asia as "sarinda" and "ghichak." >A very haunting sound. I'd also recommend 2 recordings on the French Ocora >label. The first, Ocora C 560105, is called "Balouchistan The Instrumental >Tradition" and features not only the sorud, but also an incredible flute >called "doneli" which is held more like a recorder (*not* the electronic >one!) but is actually a "double flute" consisting of one flute for drone and >the other for melody. A really interesting instrument played here is called >the "benju" which is a Japanese "toy" instrument that's almost like an >Appalachian dulcimer but played with a typewriter-style keyboard. Despite >the silly look of the instrument, the gentleman playing it here is >absolutely virtuosic. You would think it was an Iranian sehtar or other >long-necked lute. The second Ocora disc (C 580017/18) is a double CD >featuring all of the instruments mentioned above, as well as some singing >and "healing ceremonies." I'd recommend only to investigate this one if you >hear and like the others. > >A little closer to home (?) is a recording of Sardinian folk music on the Al >Sur label (ALCD 157) called "Sardaigne - Les Maitres de la musique >instrumentale" or "Masters of Instrumental Music." The first few pieces are >recordings of the "organetto," a small accordian. These are mainly dance >pieces. The remainder of the disc is taken up with various flute/recorder >instruments, the most fascinating of which is called "launeddas" which are >reed pipes that are played (like the "doneli" above) either in pairs, or >even in threes. Circular breathing is used to create a continuous sound. >The melodies themselves are short, repetitive kernels which are played over >and over, but not always symmetrically. I imagine that on the page this >looks pretty dull, but hearing it you'd be surprised how much it rocks. > >I apologize in advance for being somewhat off-topic but I think that anyone >interested in looping and in traditional music would find these interesting. > >Looking forward to more interesting discussions with the group. > >James Pokorny > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 8 02:00:47 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id CAA02649; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 02:00:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 02:00:47 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <370C487C.37236DF0@tstar.net> Date: Thu, 08 Apr 1999 01:13:15 -0500 From: Matthew Turner Reply-To: gturner@tstar.net Organization: Item Recordings X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Loop the Loop (the loop) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"6fnGr3.0.nf7.a443t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5008 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com David Myers wrote: > > BTW, anyone here been tuned into Ryoji Ikeda? Can't say that I have, but periodically I actually turn into Ryoji Ikeda. It's ruined my life. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 8 02:44:07 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id CAA08951; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 02:44:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 02:44:07 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <370BE715.DDA3BF3C@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 07 Apr 1999 22:17:19 +0000 From: Bill Moyer X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 (Macintosh; U; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: things that we loop References: <370BC268.5863CFDC@sfsu.edu> <370BDA14.5ABF03DA@uswest.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"oVodh.0.R21.QZ43t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5010 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I looped sounds from a birthimg video. bill From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 8 03:09:49 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id DAA13358; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 03:09:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 03:09:49 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199904080650.QAA16174@server.cdc.net.au> Subject: Help to unsubscribe Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 16:59:47 +1000 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0v3, January 22, 1998 From: Robert Long To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <"AR5dL1.0.Sg2.F953t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5011 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Dear Loopers Help My son somehow got me on this list and I can't get off. I have tried unsubscribing to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com but it won't take me off. Can anyone help? Robert Long Dr Robert Long Coordinator Galilee Education Services http://crilt.canberra.edu.au/GESsite/GES.html From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 8 04:20:30 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id EAA19357; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 04:20:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 04:20:30 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <370C623A.C63EE258@sfsu.edu> Date: Thu, 08 Apr 1999 01:00:58 -0700 From: "Matthew P. Davignon" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: things that we loop References: <370BC268.5863CFDC@sfsu.edu> <370BDA14.5ABF03DA@uswest.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"bqzLh1.0.OU4.FE63t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5012 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com well, I ate an onion and drank lots of water while doing it, so it was followed by a quick trip to the bathroom. matt James Lanpheer wrote: > Did it result in indigestion? > > :p > > Matthew P. Davignon wrote: > > > I looped my stomach sounds once. ...really! It didn't come out too well > > though. > > > > matt From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 8 04:32:57 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id EAA20596; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 04:32:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 04:32:57 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <2.2.32.19990408082646.006dcd50@mail.dada.it> X-Sender: cavallo@mail.dada.it X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 08 Apr 1999 10:26:46 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Leo Cavallo Subject: Re: Akai Headrush/New member Resent-Message-ID: <"igIvm3.0.5t4.ZY63t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5014 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com thnx for the great info and welcome on the list ciao leo At 18.09 07/04/99 -0400, you wrote: >Hello to all the group: > >I'm new to the 'net, new to the group, new to looping, but have been doing >music for quite a few years. This thread is as good a time as any to >introduce myself. I recently purchased an EDP and have begun to experiment >with live looping. I've spent the last fifteen years studying North Indian >Classical music both in the States and in India. I'm having lots of fun >looping with sitar and surbahar (bass sitar), as well as other middle >eastern/south asian stringed instruments like the Turkish baglama, the >Iranian tar, and the Afghani rabab. > >I'm sure it's been discussed in the past, but I'd like to make some >recommendations for "traditional" music that incorporates rhythmic and >melodic repetition in a "looping" sense. Here are some good recordings: > >"Ritual Mouth-Organs of the Murung" Auvidis CD W 260084 -- this is >traditional ensemble music from a tribal people in Bangladesh -- there's no >relation at all to the "classical" or even the folk music of >India/Pakistan/Bangladesh. Hard to describe the music, but the "mouth >organs" have a reedy quality not unlike an electric organ, and are played in >interlocking repetitive sections. My wife heard this from the next room and >thought it was Brian Eno! Come to think of it, it even sounds a bit like a >less thickly-textured Terry Riley. The Auvidis website is >http://www.mcm.asso.fr They have many great recordings of traditional music >from around the world. > >Almost any music you can find from "Balouchistan" which is more of a >cultural area than an independent country. The Baluchi area basically >overlaps eastern Iran, western Pakistan, and part of Afghanistan. Shanachie >records # 65013 "Mystic Fiddle of the Proto-Gypsies" despite it's misleading >title has some great music played on the "sorud" -- an upright fiddle which >is also known throughout south and central asia as "sarinda" and "ghichak." >A very haunting sound. I'd also recommend 2 recordings on the French Ocora >label. The first, Ocora C 560105, is called "Balouchistan The Instrumental >Tradition" and features not only the sorud, but also an incredible flute >called "doneli" which is held more like a recorder (*not* the electronic >one!) but is actually a "double flute" consisting of one flute for drone and >the other for melody. A really interesting instrument played here is called >the "benju" which is a Japanese "toy" instrument that's almost like an >Appalachian dulcimer but played with a typewriter-style keyboard. Despite >the silly look of the instrument, the gentleman playing it here is >absolutely virtuosic. You would think it was an Iranian sehtar or other >long-necked lute. The second Ocora disc (C 580017/18) is a double CD >featuring all of the instruments mentioned above, as well as some singing >and "healing ceremonies." I'd recommend only to investigate this one if you >hear and like the others. > >A little closer to home (?) is a recording of Sardinian folk music on the Al >Sur label (ALCD 157) called "Sardaigne - Les Maitres de la musique >instrumentale" or "Masters of Instrumental Music." The first few pieces are >recordings of the "organetto," a small accordian. These are mainly dance >pieces. The remainder of the disc is taken up with various flute/recorder >instruments, the most fascinating of which is called "launeddas" which are >reed pipes that are played (like the "doneli" above) either in pairs, or >even in threes. Circular breathing is used to create a continuous sound. >The melodies themselves are short, repetitive kernels which are played over >and over, but not always symmetrically. I imagine that on the page this >looks pretty dull, but hearing it you'd be surprised how much it rocks. > >I apologize in advance for being somewhat off-topic but I think that anyone >interested in looping and in traditional music would find these interesting. > >Looking forward to more interesting discussions with the group. > >James Pokorny > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 8 04:26:34 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id EAA19816; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 04:26:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 04:26:34 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <370C6411.12D955F8@sfsu.edu> Date: Thu, 08 Apr 1999 01:08:49 -0700 From: "Matthew P. Davignon" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: micro synthesizers References: <19990407234811.20591.rocketmail@web110.yahoomail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"vY_f83.0.Ef4.lL63t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5013 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com well, like I said, I have one of the originals. By dad bought it when it was originally issued and gave it to me in 1989 or so. It took me until 1994 to realize how cool it was. I wouldn't suggest trying to get one from my dad :) A friend of mine just got two from a place on the internet. Try using this search on Altavista or Yahoo: +"electro harmonix" +"micro synthesizer" Matt dan sumner wrote: > Matthew, > I am a huge fan of the M.S. I did not know that there > was a reissue availible! Can you tell me how to get > it? > DAn > --- "Matthew P. Davignon" wrote: > > Haha I have one of the original micro synthesizers > > and I've had it all along! > > With the new ones, it's easier to move the switches > > but now it has one of those > > fat electric plugs. The bad thing is...now I have to > > start doing original stuff > > again to sound original, instead of just using wierd > > obscure effects. > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 8 04:54:32 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id EAA22584; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 04:54:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 04:54:32 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Steve Savage" To: Subject: RE: Help to unsubscribe Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 10:46:38 +0200 Message-ID: <001701be819c$50f90190$051e010a@digitalm.co.za> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <370C6B6B.EBABA051@sfsu.edu> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <"2Ja6n1.0.0P5.Is63t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5017 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Set your mail program to forward your looper mail to all smart alecs on the list. > -----Original Message----- > From: Matthew P. Davignon [mailto:mdavig@sfsu.edu] > Sent: Thursday, April 08, 1999 10:40 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Subject: Re: Help to unsubscribe > > > Move to someplace far away and wear a moustache for the rest of your life! > :) > > Robert Long wrote: > > > Dear Loopers > > > > Help > > > > My son somehow got me on this list and I can't get off. > > > > I have tried unsubscribing to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com but > > it won't take me off. Can anyone help? > > > > Robert Long > > > > Dr Robert Long > > Coordinator > > Galilee Education Services > > > > http://crilt.canberra.edu.au/GESsite/GES.html > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 8 04:52:51 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id EAA22442; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 04:52:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 04:52:51 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <370C6B6B.EBABA051@sfsu.edu> Date: Thu, 08 Apr 1999 01:40:11 -0700 From: "Matthew P. Davignon" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Help to unsubscribe References: <199904080650.QAA16174@server.cdc.net.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"bKmJT1.0.3J5.kp63t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5015 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Move to someplace far away and wear a moustache for the rest of your life! :) Robert Long wrote: > Dear Loopers > > Help > > My son somehow got me on this list and I can't get off. > > I have tried unsubscribing to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com but > it won't take me off. Can anyone help? > > Robert Long > > Dr Robert Long > Coordinator > Galilee Education Services > > http://crilt.canberra.edu.au/GESsite/GES.html From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 8 05:01:05 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id FAA23011; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 05:01:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 05:01:05 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <370C7B10.7AAC@vete.ucl.ac.be> Date: Thu, 08 Apr 1999 10:46:56 +0100 From: Malhomme Reply-To: malhomme@vete.ucl.ac.be X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: microsynth References: <199904080120.VAA16041@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"DhZYz2.0.YO5.sr63t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5016 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com "Haha I have one of the original micro synthesizers and I've had it all along!" Well so do I " The bad thing is...now I have to start doing original stuff again to sound original, instead of just using wierd obscure effects." AArrgh! Me to. I used to rely on weird effects, odd tunings, E-bow, and strange instruments and so on to cover my lack of originality. I'm doomed! I'm lost! I'm only mortal! Damn those reissues! Fortunately, i still got this mutron bi-phase. Hope no reissue is on the line yet. Olivier Malhomme From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 8 06:11:44 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id GAA29050; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 06:11:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 06:11:44 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <370C7DC8.3792CE1B@sfsu.edu> Date: Thu, 08 Apr 1999 02:58:32 -0700 From: "Matthew P. Davignon" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Subject: list of stuff I've looped -- don't read Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"xgkmC2.0.Hv6.sy73t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5018 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com media window fan reverb coils guitar and bass guitar gutted piano toy flutes (can't play the real ones) window fan "Mega Mouth Warp'r" "The Grossinator" answering machine tapes drum machine...analog & digital kitchenware metal cabinets my voice those whistles that go "fweeeeee!!!!" water jug water pipes under my house your soul (just kidding) video games radio shack laser beam toy sampler squeaky violin garage door record skips rake styrofoam analog echo pedal feedback college students in hallways garage bands buncha toys other stuff and my stomach From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 8 07:18:08 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id HAA02307; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 07:18:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 07:18:08 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199904081110.HAA23776@ulster.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Thu, 08 Apr 1999 07:04:10 -0400 Subject: Re: Loop da loop .... From: "jmw/cmu" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"OhzCI3.0._K.cv83t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5019 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > Maybe I've looked too >hard and am suffering from mental strain (a distinct possibility), but I've >found that as I increase the microscope's focus, the specks of dust on the >floor--through the miracle of the loop--take on an unexpected significance. >Loop de Loop indeed! Hmmmmm. Has anyone else noticed that threads on this list often enter the realm of Mystical introspection? Maybe be all those hours of looping have the same effect as counting your breath from 1-10 over and over, focusing on the Koan "Mu" or repeating the 99 names of Allah. Of course it could just be the mushrooms... jmw PS: I love this list - it's good for a laugh w/ every digest. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 8 10:33:56 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id KAA25848; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 10:33:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 10:33:56 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: KB305@aol.com Message-ID: <37806e51.243e1150@aol.com> Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 10:04:00 EDT Subject: new person weighs in To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 246 Reply-To: KB305@aol.com Resent-Message-ID: <"q63Td1.0.LJ5.HVB3t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5020 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi everyone- I joined the list mainly because I was trying to learn about the Oberheim EDP. Mainly what I have learned is that I'm going to have a hard time finding one. (If anyone has a good lead, please point me at it!) I'm sticking around because it's apparent that I have much to learn. In my secret life, I am a guitarist. I've been exposed to amibence/loops/Fripp/Eno/Torn/guys with synthesizers for most of my life. But I love Miles, Trane, and Monk, too. I have a bachelor's degree in music comp from North Texas State. I have a day job. Somewhere in the middle of all that I'll plant a flag. I currently use: Guitars by Klein, Heritage, Martin, and Gibson (archtops, mostly, except for the Klein) Budda amplifier (tubes, always) Yamaha SPX-50D Digitech Whammy/Wah Alesis NanoVerb ProCo Rat (an antique) Ernie Ball Volume I'm satisfied with my tone. Now I just want to split myself into pieces. Thanks for listening. Kevin deep in the Midwest (Iowa) From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 8 10:51:23 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id KAA28598; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 10:51:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 10:51:23 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: mcgary@email.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <990408103643J1.08538@www5.iname.net> Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 10:36:43 -0400 (EDT) Content-Type: Text/Plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: "jmw/cmu" Cc: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Loop da loop .... Resent-Message-ID: <"q_00N1.0.CU6.4-B3t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5021 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > focusing on the Koan "Mu" or repeating the > 99 names of Allah. My band, which uses 2 EDPs, a Boomerang, a Stick, a Warr, 2 Theremins, and a wind controller...is called 99 Names of God. Coincidence....or Conspiracy!?! -Mike McGary ----------------------------------------------- FREE! The World's Best Email Address @email.com Reserve your name now at http://www.email.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 8 11:22:05 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id LAA00639; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 11:22:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 11:22:05 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199904081503.LAA15297@shell.monmouth.com> Reply-To: From: "andre" To: Subject: new Collins Music..! Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 11:01:52 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"OVX6v.0.dT7.uMC3t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5022 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > Greetings all, > Jeff Collins here...again. > I would just like to take the time to let all know that I have now got my > "Guitar Sonatas Volume 1" recording on CD now. I have also remastered it > with a good amount of noise reduction and eq in certain places. unsolicited suggestion: get this!!!! i will be sending for one on payday!! i have some of Jeff's tapes and his music--it's very far off the scale..!! think - "redefinition of sounds..." comes to mind - ...i refuse to believe most of it is actually a guitar, but it is!!! spacey, yet coherent sculptures of metallic articles. alchemy. microcosmic chaos, in each moment. check it out!! andre' From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 8 12:19:36 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id MAA10472; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 12:19:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 12:19:36 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 01:55:27 +1000 X-Sender: simon@mail.dynamite.com.au Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <370C7B10.7AAC@vete.ucl.ac.be> References: <199904080120.VAA16041@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: malhomme@vete.ucl.ac.be From: Simon Subject: Re: microsynth Cc: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Resent-Message-ID: <"I0nQn3.0.Ag1.H9D3t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5023 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >Fortunately, i still got this mutron bi-phase. Hope no reissue is on the >line yet. I'm sure there is some sort of Mutron reissue at the local store, not sure if it's a bi-phase but it might be! Simon Canberra AUSTRALIA From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 8 12:29:07 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id MAA11935; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 12:29:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 12:29:07 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Reply-To: From: "Javier Miranda V." To: Subject: RE: micro synthesizers Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 08:59:55 -0700 Message-ID: <000001be81d8$d8a28080$6903d1d1@electra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <000401be8158$3228ea80$34ad0a3f@futurepe> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Resent-Message-ID: <"uey6g1.0.7q1.gBD3t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5024 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I worked at EH in 1980-83. I fooled around with the GS, but thought it was too fragile and hard to work with. Getting the same sound twice was a matter of luck, really. But the sound was very sweet. They should reissue that one with better components and digital control, instead of the Microsynth. Overall, EH looks like they're stuck in the seventies hardwarewise. If any toys needed improvement it was the EH toys. I still got many toys from that time, but they're noisy and I don't like to use them. I think they're cool live, what with all the distortion noise and the excitement, but they don't last too long banging around while travelling. My Bass Microsynthesiser was stolen from my car in the early 90s. I miss it, though. It really sounded good on the guitar -- had more range and was fuller-sounding. I wouldn't buy the Microsynth, but wait to see if they reissue the Bass Microsynth. -----Original Message----- From: Future Perfect [mailto:artmusic@gte.net] Sent: Wednesday 07 April 1999 5:39 PM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: micro synthesizers I never tried the M.S., but I did own one of EH's 'Guitar Synthesizers', a 3 rack space, 3 oscillator noise machine that was the Micro's big brother. They didn't sell many of these (I bought mine used), and its claim to fame was being used on the first ASIA album. Dave Eichenberger ********************************************************************* 'Future Perfect' - art music http://home1.gte.net/artmusic/ > > Matthew, > I am a huge fan of the M.S. I did not know that there > was a reissue availible! Can you tell me how to get > it? > DAn From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 8 13:01:36 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id NAA17499; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 13:01:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 13:01:36 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <370C959C.E209BDBD@texas.net> Date: Thu, 08 Apr 1999 11:40:14 +0000 From: Bobdog Reply-To: psbuddha@texas.net Organization: Pseudo Buddha/Doghouse Ent. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Loop da loop .... References: <990408103643J1.08538@www5.iname.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"MEac51.0.tO3.7mD3t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5025 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com not to get into the whole name thread started again, but there does seem to be alot of mystic/religious weirdness that loopers seem to enjoy. i say "conspiracy." bobdog (of pseudo buddha) mcgary@email.com wrote: > > focusing on the Koan "Mu" or repeating the > > 99 names of Allah. > > My band...is called 99 Names of God. > Coincidence....or Conspiracy!?! From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 8 13:26:13 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id NAA21389; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 13:26:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 13:26:13 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <370CDF15.97EBED5A@uswest.com> Date: Thu, 08 Apr 1999 10:53:41 -0600 From: "James Lanpheer" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en]C-USWC0720 (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Loop da loop .... References: <199904081110.HAA23776@ulster.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"SjWR62.0.J_3.kzD3t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5026 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Oh suuuuuuuure, blame it on the mushrooms..... WHY do they always get such a bad rap?? ;p Jim. jmw/cmu wrote: > > Maybe I've looked too > >hard and am suffering from mental strain (a distinct possibility), but I've > >found that as I increase the microscope's focus, the specks of dust on the > >floor--through the miracle of the loop--take on an unexpected significance. > >Loop de Loop indeed! > > Hmmmmm. Has anyone else noticed that threads on this > list often enter the realm of Mystical introspection? > > Maybe be all those hours of looping have the same > effect as counting your breath from 1-10 over and over, > focusing on the Koan "Mu" or repeating the 99 names of Allah. > > Of course it could just be the mushrooms... > > jmw > > PS: I love this list - it's good for a laugh w/ every digest. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 8 13:46:46 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id NAA24610; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 13:46:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 13:46:46 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <370CE568.5EF7@voicenet.com> Date: Thu, 08 Apr 1999 13:20:40 -0400 From: Legion X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.02 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: micro synthesizers References: <000001be81d8$d8a28080$6903d1d1@electra> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"eTmkr1.0.jI5.jSE3t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5027 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Javier Miranda V. wrote: > I worked at EH in 1980-83. I fooled around with the GS, but thought it was > too fragile and hard to work with. Getting the same sound twice was a > matter of luck, really. But the sound was very sweet. They should reissue > that one with better components and digital control, instead of the > Microsynth. Overall, EH looks like they're stuck in the seventies > hardwarewise. If any toys needed improvement it was the EH toys. Ain't *that* the truth!. Still people clamor and pay $$$ for those boxes even though they were probably some of the cheapest components and manufacturing at the time. I take my hat off to EH/Sovtek for putting them out at all. Given the prices people were asking for the originals these days it at least makes the unit available to those who would rather play than collect. > My Bass Microsynthesiser was stolen from my car in the early 90s. I miss > it, though. It really sounded good on the guitar -- had more range and was > fuller-sounding. I wouldn't buy the Microsynth, but wait to see if they > reissue the Bass Microsynth. There is a reiusse of the Bass Microsynth as well as the Microsynth unit. Both go for about $275 or so (the Bass one is usually ten bucks more). I'd say your experience probably had more to do with the actual unit you had rather than any differences in the Bass vs guitar versions though. They are basically the exact same circuitry and parts. I've A/B'd various original Bass and guitar versions as well as both new reissues and while each one sounded a bit different (especially among the originals) there was virtually no detectable difference between bass and guitar versions. A couple other players have told me the same thing. I guess as with anything analog each unit has it's own cranky personality. If you put two minimoogs up agaisnt each other from the same ear/manufacture period you'd hear a difference as well. That said, they are great little noise makers and one of my favorite processing devices (I use 'em for everything from drums to vocals to guitar/etc. Ever run a Roland GR300 into an EH microsynth? It's just too wrong :) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- HELP WANTED PRODUCTIONS - Http://www.voicenet.com/~legion "Bringing you the best in Organic Electronic music since we started..." Home of the Unusual Instrument and Recording Gallery with pictures and info of Tube recorders, Omnichords, weird guitars, Casios, and more. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 8 14:58:35 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id OAA02713; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 14:58:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 14:58:35 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <370CF610.3775@voicenet.com> Date: Thu, 08 Apr 1999 14:31:44 -0400 From: Legion X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.02 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: micro synthesizers (Clarification of units) References: <000001be81d8$d8a28080$6903d1d1@electra> <370CE568.5EF7@voicenet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"oYAcn.0.qx7.CVF3t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5029 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > > I worked at EH in 1980-83. I fooled around with the GS, but thought it was > > too fragile and hard to work with. Getting the same sound twice was a > > matter of luck, really. But the sound was very sweet. They should reissue > > that one with better components and digital control, instead of the > > Microsynth. > > > My Bass Microsynthesiser was stolen from my car in the early 90s. I miss > > it, though. It really sounded good on the guitar -- had more range and was > > fuller-sounding. I wouldn't buy the Microsynth, but wait to see if they > > reissue the Bass Microsynth. > > There is a reiusse of the Bass Microsynth as well as the Microsynth > unit. I just realized there might be some confusion on the names of these units. In my post regarding similarities to the "bass" and "guitar" versions and reissues I'm refering to the two stompboxes which are technicially called: Microsynth - this is the floor unit made for "guitar" Bass Microsynth - this is the floor unit made for "Bass" both are identical in features, components, layout, etc. and both have been reissued in their original pedal form by EH/New Sensor/Sovtek (I forget what they are called these days) and run less than $300 new in box. EH also made an Item called the MINIsynth which was a membrane keyboard based synthesizer and a GUITAR Synthesizer which is the 2-3 rack unit. These have not been reissued nor are there plans to do so according to Sovtek/NS. Here are some pics to help illustrate the differences: The reissue pedals can be found at: http://www.turnstyle.com/nsc/catalog.asp?item=EH%2DMICRO&category=eheffects The Minisynth is at: http://machines.hyperreal.org//manufacturers/Electro-Harmonix/images/Minisynth.gif The Guitar Synth is at: http://machines.hyperreal.org//manufacturers/Electro-Harmonix/images/Guitar-Synth.gif Again, only the pedals the Microsynth and the Bass Microsynth have been reissued. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- HELP WANTED PRODUCTIONS - Http://www.voicenet.com/~legion "Bringing you the best in Organic Electronic music since we started..." Home of the Unusual Instrument and Recording Gallery with pictures and info of Tube recorders, Omnichords, weird guitars, Casios, and more. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 8 14:52:27 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id OAA01863; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 14:52:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 14:52:27 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 11:29:38 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel) Subject: Re: Loop da loop .... Resent-Message-ID: <"yvGvx.0.pc7.YMF3t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5028 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >> Maybe I've looked too >>hard and am suffering from mental strain (a distinct possibility), but I've >>found that as I increase the microscope's focus, the specks of dust on the >>floor--through the miracle of the loop--take on an unexpected significance. >>Loop de Loop indeed! > >Hmmmmm. Has anyone else noticed that threads on this >list often enter the realm of Mystical introspection? > What is the sound of one looper looping? ________________________________________________________ Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org : www.peak.org/~improv/ "...there will come a day when you won't have to use gasoline. You'd simply take a cassette and put it in your car, let it run. You'd have to have the proper type of music. Like you take two sticks, put 'em together, make fire. You take some notes and rub 'em together - dum, dum, dum, dum - fire, cosmic fire." -Sun Ra ________________________________________________________ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 8 15:40:58 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id PAA09066; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 15:40:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 15:40:58 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <370CB9DA.831AED0B@texas.net> Date: Thu, 08 Apr 1999 14:14:52 +0000 From: Bobdog Reply-To: psbuddha@texas.net Organization: Pseudo Buddha/Doghouse Ent. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers Delight Subject: [Fwd: micro synthesizers] Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------83F931EF2D6BE82C63FD26A0" Resent-Message-ID: <"SBHEB.0.eH1.41G3t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5030 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------83F931EF2D6BE82C63FD26A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --------------83F931EF2D6BE82C63FD26A0 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-ID: <370CB9AF.E92D1559@texas.net> Date: Thu, 08 Apr 1999 14:14:09 +0000 From: Bobdog Reply-To: psbuddha@texas.net Organization: Pseudo Buddha/Doghouse Ent. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gnominus@earthling.net Subject: Re: micro synthesizers References: <000001be81d8$d8a28080$6903d1d1@electra> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit the bass microsynth has also been reissued. we have them where i work: blatant plug - krazy kat music in san antonio texas 210-737-0523 www.krazykatmusic.com krazy2@flash.net bobdog --------------83F931EF2D6BE82C63FD26A0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 8 16:45:23 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id QAA18172; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 16:45:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 16:45:23 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Posted-Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 15:02:03 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990408131739.007caaa0@POP.VISI.com> X-Sender: zwicky@POP.VISI.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Thu, 08 Apr 1999 13:17:39 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Chuck Zwicky Subject: RE: micro synthesizers Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"jthmJ3.0.Qy2.9kG3t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5031 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com E-H did reissue the Bass Microsynth! At 08:59 AM 4/8/99 -0700, you wrote: >I worked at EH in 1980-83. I fooled around with the GS, but thought it was >too fragile and hard to work with. Getting the same sound twice was a >matter of luck, really. But the sound was very sweet. They should reissue >that one with better components and digital control, instead of the >Microsynth. Overall, EH looks like they're stuck in the seventies >hardwarewise. If any toys needed improvement it was the EH toys. I still >got many toys from that time, but they're noisy and I don't like to use >them. I think they're cool live, what with all the distortion noise and the >excitement, but they don't last too long banging around while travelling. > My Bass Microsynthesiser was stolen from my car in the early 90s. I miss >it, though. It really sounded good on the guitar -- had more range and was >fuller-sounding. I wouldn't buy the Microsynth, but wait to see if they >reissue the Bass Microsynth. > >-----Original Message----- >From: Future Perfect [mailto:artmusic@gte.net] >Sent: Wednesday 07 April 1999 5:39 PM >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Subject: RE: micro synthesizers > > >I never tried the M.S., but I did own one of EH's 'Guitar Synthesizers', a 3 >rack space, 3 oscillator noise machine that was the Micro's big brother. >They didn't sell many of these (I bought mine used), and its claim to fame >was being used on the first ASIA album. > >Dave Eichenberger >********************************************************************* >'Future Perfect' - art music >http://home1.gte.net/artmusic/ > > > > >> >> Matthew, >> I am a huge fan of the M.S. I did not know that there >> was a reissue availible! Can you tell me how to get >> it? >> DAn > > > > > ........................................................................... The moment of victory is much too short to live for that and nothing else. -Martina Navrtilova From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 8 17:12:36 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id RAA21920; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 17:12:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 17:12:36 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: matthias@pop3.bahianet.com.br (Unverified) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 17:34:30 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: things that we loop Resent-Message-ID: <"lPOHH1.0.cs3.V6H3t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5035 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I liked this thread. I gathered what came up. Would someone care to put this funny list onto the site? Or should we turn it into a list of descriptions of experiences where anyone can contribute his fun story? guitars keyboards basses strings didgeridoos vocals laughter animal noises samples some everykind of percussion imaginable wind instruments turntables broadcast sounds from radio and TV film dialog found sounds stick washing machine hose bullroarers Toddlers and their toys fart and burp human boddy looping devices themselves window fan reverb coils guitar and bass guitar gutted piano toy flutes window fan "Mega Mouth Warp'r" "The Grossinator" answering machine tapes drum machine...analog & digital kitchenware metal cabinets those whistles that go "fweeeeee!!!!" water jug water pipes under my house video games radio shack laser beam toy squeaky violin garage door record skips rake styrofoam analog echo pedal feedback college students in hallways garage bands buncha toys From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 8 17:11:11 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id RAA21736; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 17:11:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 17:11:11 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: matthias@pop3.bahianet.com.br (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <002801be8143$4d127600$94b84e0c@u73x0> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 17:34:30 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Asian instruments Cc: "Edgar Silva" Resent-Message-ID: <"cochN3.0.cr3.Q6H3t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5032 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com James made an interesting contribution: How do you think the indians would receive the looping tools to simplyfy/extend their music? Do they use any electronics exept for straight amplification of their traditional work? >...I've spent the last fifteen years studying North Indian >Classical music both in the States and in India. I'm having lots of fun >looping with sitar and surbahar (bass sitar), as well as other middle >eastern/south asian stringed instruments like the Turkish baglama, the >Iranian tar, and the Afghani rabab. > >I'm sure it's been discussed in the past, but I'd like to make some >recommendations for "traditional" music that incorporates rhythmic and >melodic repetition in a "looping" sense. Here are some good recordings: > >"Ritual Mouth-Organs of the Murung" Auvidis CD W 260084 -- this is >traditional ensemble music from a tribal people in Bangladesh -- there's no >relation at all to the "classical" or even the folk music of >India/Pakistan/Bangladesh. Hard to describe the music, but the "mouth >organs" have a reedy quality not unlike an electric organ, and are played in >interlocking repetitive sections. My wife heard this from the next room and >thought it was Brian Eno! Come to think of it, it even sounds a bit like a >less thickly-textured Terry Riley. The Auvidis website is >http://www.mcm.asso.fr They have many great recordings of traditional music >from around the world. > >Almost any music you can find from "Balouchistan" which is more of a >cultural area than an independent country. The Baluchi area basically >overlaps eastern Iran, western Pakistan, and part of Afghanistan. Shanachie >records # 65013 "Mystic Fiddle of the Proto-Gypsies" despite it's misleading >title has some great music played on the "sorud" -- an upright fiddle which >is also known throughout south and central asia as "sarinda" and "ghichak." >A very haunting sound. I'd also recommend 2 recordings on the French Ocora >label. The first, Ocora C 560105, is called "Balouchistan The Instrumental >Tradition" and features not only the sorud, but also an incredible flute >called "doneli" which is held more like a recorder (*not* the electronic >one!) but is actually a "double flute" consisting of one flute for drone and >the other for melody. A really interesting instrument played here is called >the "benju" which is a Japanese "toy" instrument that's almost like an >Appalachian dulcimer but played with a typewriter-style keyboard. Despite >the silly look of the instrument, the gentleman playing it here is >absolutely virtuosic. You would think it was an Iranian sehtar or other >long-necked lute. The second Ocora disc (C 580017/18) is a double CD >featuring all of the instruments mentioned above, as well as some singing >and "healing ceremonies." I'd recommend only to investigate this one if you >hear and like the others. > >A little closer to home (?) is a recording of Sardinian folk music on the Al >Sur label (ALCD 157) called "Sardaigne - Les Maitres de la musique >instrumentale" or "Masters of Instrumental Music." The first few pieces are >recordings of the "organetto," a small accordian. These are mainly dance >pieces. The remainder of the disc is taken up with various flute/recorder >instruments, the most fascinating of which is called "launeddas" which are >reed pipes that are played (like the "doneli" above) either in pairs, or >even in threes. Circular breathing is used to create a continuous sound. >The melodies themselves are short, repetitive kernels which are played over >and over, but not always symmetrically. I imagine that on the page this >looks pretty dull, but hearing it you'd be surprised how much it rocks. > >I apologize in advance for being somewhat off-topic but I think that anyone >interested in looping and in traditional music would find these interesting. > >Looking forward to more interesting discussions with the group. > >James Pokorny From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 8 17:09:25 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id RAA21463; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 17:09:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 17:09:25 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: matthias@pop3.bahianet.com.br (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199904081110.HAA23776@ulster.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 17:34:30 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Loop da loop .... Cc: "Edgar Silva" Resent-Message-ID: <"Cw74c3.0.Rs3.U6H3t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5034 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com jmw observed: >Hmmmmm. Has anyone else noticed that threads on this >list often enter the realm of Mystical introspection? > >Maybe be all those hours of looping have the same >effect as counting your breath from 1-10 over and over, >focusing on the Koan "Mu" or repeating the 99 names of Allah. Your kidding, but it may be true in some way, any serious observations? When I delivered the LOOP delay material to Keith McMillan (the engineer at Gibson that "discovered" me in "92 and made the EDP come true), he said: "We may use your manual, but only after taking out your LOOP religion stuff". They ended up using nothing of it... I did not feel any religious about it, but maybe that what fanatics have in common? >Of course it could just be the mushrooms... no, I never ate any "strange" ones... From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 8 17:11:11 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id RAA21738; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 17:11:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 17:11:11 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: matthias@pop3.bahianet.com.br (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199904061509.LAA04513@ulster.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 17:34:30 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Loopable percussion (was: Tabla...) Cc: "Edgar Silva" Resent-Message-ID: <"QhBtJ1.0.8s3.T6H3t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5033 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This thread seamed to go OT, but we are simply looking for percussion instruments that are easy to loop (no feeback and interference problems): >>oh, yes, a highly developped instrument. I just had a session with a good >>player. >>The only problem for me was the very defined pitch of the high drum. Most >>drums are pitched in some way, but you can still play any tonality - not so >>with tabla, right? > >Most drums have a pitch but usually there are enough overtones to smooth >over obvious harmonic clashes. The defined tonality of the daya ( the high >drum) can be a problem in certain situations. Do you like the defined tonality in other situations or would you actually prefer a modified tabla which has "enough overtones to smooth over obvious harmonic clashes"? Could this be achieved by uneven tension of the skin or irregular form of the black mass (whats its name?) on it? Do we disrespect the milenar indian culture? I come back to this, because I feel there is no small handy expressive loopable electric drum instrument on the market. The Wave Drum was almost ideal, but it should be possible to build one with a cheap processing (just pitch and dynamics), with piezo pickups and a microphone to get some variety. The indian technology with the weight on the skin seams to be the solution to keep the instrument small and give it a nice sustain. Or should it be used just for the bass drum? Dr. Cummings wrote: >sounds like fun - i've been "attaching" piezos to cymbals with plumber's >putty. they also work great on kalimbas, pieces of wood ... Yes, serious solutions. What is "plumber's putty", please? >EAR IDEARS: >- send the signal into a resonator or short delay with high feedback for >an analog "WAVE DRUM" >- send piezo-cymbal sounds into a pitch shifter >- swallow a piezo with a vey long wire attached (don't laugh, it's been >done) and then what, hit your belly? Listen to the stomac? >be careful not to get any between the piezo-element and the drum/cymbal >surface. the key to a non-distorted sound is to have the piezo-element >completely flush with the vibrating surface. the other thing you may >want to consider is a preamp circuit. Very correct. I usually drill a 3mm whole and glue it in to make shure the waves pass THROUGH it. The element is blinded but as naked as possible. It works nice on any solid material. The preamp needs to be close because so far I could not find a flexible fine cable that is suficiantly blinded and the cable itself transmits sound waves to the pickup. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 8 17:35:42 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id RAA25028; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 17:35:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 17:35:42 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Sender: r_t_cummings@csi.com Message-ID: <370CE302.7C5706D6@csi.com> Date: Thu, 08 Apr 1999 19:10:26 +0200 From: Cummings X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [de] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Loop the Loop References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"wo56Z2.0.Ub4.YPH3t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5036 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com i've been listening to ikedas's +/- recently - excellent! i saw him a few months back live in concert, that was also very good. the only thing he used was an mpc2000, but he used that masterfully with extreme concentration. it was incredible to hear his "interference fields" on a large pa system - a lot of of people left seemingly unable to handle this effect! ;-) to any others who haven't heard this effect: depending on the position of your head in the tone field (i.e. the relative position of your two ears), you hear different tones (difference tones?). as far as i know this is a stereo effect - analogous to the interference patterns caused by dropping two pebbles in a pond. -the man cable- David Myers schrieb: > > BTW, anyone here been tuned into Ryoji Ikeda? From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 8 19:06:23 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id TAA04427; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 19:06:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 19:06:23 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Kriist@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 18:44:49 EDT Subject: sticky stuff To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 Reply-To: Kriist@aol.com Resent-Message-ID: <"haIHE1.0.2Y.Y9J3t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5037 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com i know this is a little of topic here but after a failed attempt to have my search engine turn up something i figured there should be people on this list who know(or who can point me into the right direction) im going to be buying a stick soon(12 string) now after talking with them on the phone(and perusing the web page)ive become confused as to what wood/pickup to pick other than my steinberger this will be the only instrument that i purchase new so im not used to all this choice i just want to know the difference in tone etc... for the purple heart, rosewood, padua, and tarara(those are the choices i was given) and now they have 3 pickups, the standard, the 'block' and the lace/bartolini any help appreciated rodrigo From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 8 19:14:37 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id TAA05403; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 19:14:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 19:14:37 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <000801be8212$589785e0$742081c3@techlock> From: "techlock" To: Subject: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 00:51:09 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0005_01BE8223.0E70EAE0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"Nrjbt2.0.ia.iAJ3t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5038 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01BE8223.0E70EAE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01BE8223.0E70EAE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
------=_NextPart_000_0005_01BE8223.0E70EAE0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 8 20:45:55 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id UAA17940; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 20:45:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 20:45:55 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990408234644.71540.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [206.129.243.247] From: "Dan Bartell" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Loop the Loop Date: Thu, 08 Apr 1999 16:46:42 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"71XRl.0.6P2.o0K3t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5039 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com For all you techead math freaks out there here is a link for more information on interference fields. http://www.s3.kth.se/~bogor/www/papers/glasgow95/main.html have fun and good luck!! -Dan ________ From: Cummings Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Loop the Loop Date: Thu, 08 Apr 1999 19:10:26 +0200 i've been listening to ikedas's +/- recently - excellent! i saw him a few months back live in concert, that was also very good. the only thing he used was an mpc2000, but he used that masterfully with extreme concentration. it was incredible to hear his "interference fields" on a large pa system - a lot of of people left seemingly unable to handle this effect! ;-) to any others who haven't heard this effect: depending on the position of your head in the tone field (i.e. the relative position of your two ears), you hear different tones (difference tones?). as far as i know this is a stereo effect - analogous to the interference patterns caused by dropping two pebbles in a pond. -the man cable- David Myers schrieb: > > BTW, anyone here been tuned into Ryoji Ikeda? _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 8 20:50:09 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id UAA18514; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 20:50:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 20:50:09 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: PMimlitsch@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 19:49:15 EDT Subject: Re: loop da loop... To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 56 Reply-To: PMimlitsch@aol.com Resent-Message-ID: <"w087a2.0.ra2.55K3t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5040 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 4/7/99 10:23:07 PM, evening@ulster.net writes: << I don't know how Mr. Myers does it, but I just run the output of looper A into looper B and back again ... >> loop the vortexed loop of jman1 with jman2 then sample loop/loops with jman3, trigger backwards play of sample and loop back into j1 and or j2 etc etc... ya hardly have to touch the strings for the rest of the gig ;-). From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 8 21:44:05 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id VAA25532; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 21:44:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 21:44:05 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990408210251.007a6580@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 08 Apr 1999 21:02:51 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Asian instruments In-Reply-To: References: <002801be8143$4d127600$94b84e0c@u73x0> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"3Q6mO2.0.Nq4.P3L3t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5042 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >How do you think the indians would receive the looping tools to >simplyfy/extend their music? Do they use any electronics exept for straight >amplification of their traditional work? It's probably not the case with Indian classical music which has a great respect for traditional technique and places a high value on the lineage of the teacher, but Indian popular music is FULL of electronics. There's a huge amount of recorded music available featuring the electronic tambura which provides the drone formerly done acoustically with a regular, stringed tambura, and the use of the sampler is increasingly commonplace in "Bollywood", the Indian film industry. There's even a dance/techno genre that sprang from Goa. Talvin Singh had quite a bit of success a couple of years ago with an album called Anokha: Soundz of the Asian Underground that has some pretty cool loop-based stuff; it's a compilation featuring musicians such as State of Bengal, A.R. Rahman, Amar, Kingsuk Biswas (he samples and loops his tablas!), Future Soundz of India and others. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 8 21:30:37 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id VAA23925; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 21:30:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 21:30:37 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <003101be8221$372732c0$461bbfa8@default> Reply-To: "Collins" From: "Collins" To: Subject: Re: Loop the Loop Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 20:37:56 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"1A7nE2.0._74.LnK3t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5041 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I'm making a good comment here... >>I don't know how Mr. Myers does it, but I just run the output of looper A >>into looper B and back again - if you do it enough times you'll get a very >>strange resonance since each device colors the sound in its own way. I >>imagine if you kept doing it for a year or so you'd end up with noise (and >>probably a messiah complex). > >>jmw > >Good observation. Now, what if looper A can feed looper B and itself, and >looper B can feed looper A and itself, and what if you have four loopers or >more? And if you can manage control of all of those paths? Hmm... that's >what been fueling my particular psychosis all these years. Get into it >enough, and you begin to wonder about the need for guitars, keyboards, and >all the endless discussion about graphite necks. Maybe I've looked too >hard and am suffering from mental strain (a distinct possibility), but I've >found that as I increase the microscope's focus, the specks of dust on the >floor--through the miracle of the loop--take on an unexpected significance. >Loop de Loop indeed! > David, That is some great thoughts, I love all this weirdness coming from everyone. That I believe is something that John cage did at one time. You can here what something like that sounds like on Rafael Toral's album Arieola Frequency. You can get it through forced exposure like i did. it's pretty cool. Not exactly what i had in mind but will soon begin my experiments in resonance. Jeff Collins From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 8 22:19:53 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id WAA30085; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 22:19:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 22:19:53 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 21:29:27 EDT Subject: Re: Loop da loop .... To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 Reply-To: Nemoguitt@aol.com Resent-Message-ID: <"SYAXG2.0.py5.TZL3t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5043 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 4/8/99 8:08:14 PM Mid-Atlantic Daylight Time, matthias@grob.org writes: << no, I never ate any "strange" ones... >> double negatives always confuse me.........michael From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 8 22:32:51 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id WAA31955; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 22:32:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 22:32:51 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <005201be822d$15277840$aa934e0c@u73x0> From: "James Pokorny" To: Subject: Re: Loopable percussion (was: Tabla...) Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 22:02:54 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"mLKkD.0.Bs6.e-L3t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5045 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I'm not a tabla player, but do know a bit about the drums, so here's my two cents: >Do you like the defined tonality in other situations or would you actually >prefer a modified tabla which has "enough overtones to smooth over obvious >harmonic clashes"? Could this be achieved by uneven tension of the skin or >irregular form of the black mass (whats its name?) on it? >Do we disrespect the milenar indian culture? > That "black mass" (sounds kind of Goth!) on the tabla is called "syahi" in Hindi, meaning roughly "blackness." This is usually made from rice flour, iron filings, etc. as is applied to the skin in many layers over time until it gives the right "ring" to the drum. On the treble drum this is essential to tuning, since this drum is tuned to the tonic pitch of the vocalist or instrumentalist. In non-traditional performance situations this can be very frustrating for the "harmonic clash" mentioned above. >The indian technology with the weight on the skin seams to be the >solution to keep the instrument small and give it a nice sustain. Or should >it be used just for the bass drum? On tabla this is used for both the treble as well as the bass drum. An interesting footnote is that an older, deeper sounding drum called "pakhawaj" has this black patch only on the treble head, but that the player uses a small lump of dough to make a similar "weight" for the bass drum head, then scrapes it off after the performance (or practice). Believe it or not, the scraped-off dough is then often given to a street animal like a dog or monkey as food. Musical recycling. James From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 8 22:23:29 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id WAA30816; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 22:23:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 22:23:29 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <003501be822a$93e8d6e0$aa934e0c@u73x0> From: "James Pokorny" To: Subject: Re: Asian instruments Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 21:44:57 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"ezobp2.0.GF6.kjL3t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5044 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In response to Matthias' question: Primeiro: Muito obrigado para as boas perguntas (Desculpe, I just *had* to toss in some Portuguese!) I'll answer your second question first >Do they [Indian musicians] use any electronics exept for straight >amplification of their traditional work? Currently in North Indian classical music I've not seen anyone use electronics in the sense of changing tone color, extending an instrument's range, etc. About the only real use of sound processing is adding artificial reverb both to live performances and studio recordings to enhance the overall sound. Unfortunately this tends only to make things muddier. If it's used sparingly it can be a nice effect but more often than not both the main instrument (or vocalist) as well as the tabla accompanist are drenched in reverb and this winds up ruining the music (for me at least). I have recently heard a sample of a young Indian classical musician playing synthesizer. You can listen to this at http://www.neelam.com I always dreamed about the possibility of synthesizers, midi, etc. within the realm of ICM (Indian classical music). It seemed that if someone had good knowledge of the music that almost anything would be possible in terms of sound sources. From the clip I heard, this particular recording seems rather one-dimensional as far as texture, etc. The playing is correct and good, but the "piano" sound seems trite. To be fair, though, I remember seeing Sun Ra many times in the early and mid 80's playing entire concerts using just one setting (and a cheesy ball-park organ sound at that!) on a synthesizer that was the "multivoice" state-of -the-art at the time, and he always sounded fantastic. So it's not just the equipment, it's what the guy sitting behind it does with it. Another use of electronics which is becoming extremely widespread is the recent invention of "electronic tanpura" (also spelled tamboura) replacing the traditional string drone instrument. This has really taken off in the last ten years where almost every performer I've seen recently - vocal or instrumental - has used one, either alone or in combination with a "real" tanpura. To my ears it doesn't sound as nice as a genuine string tanpura, but I can certainly understand the portability, the comparative sturdiness, and the wider tuning range. (A string tanpura only sounds good within a very limited range -- for instance C to D, but not above or below). Yet another increasingly popular device is the "electronic tabla." I must admit guiltily to using one of these myself. It can never replace a live tabla player, but it's great for practice since you can work with about a dozen common "taal-s" (rhythm cycles) and vary the tempo as well as the pitch (to tune to your instrument). Plus, it doesn't "give attitude" like a real tabla player, and you can turn it off when it becomes too annoying ;) (My apologies to tabliyas worldwide!) >How do you think the indians would receive the looping tools to >simplyfy/extend their music? Excellent question! One common aspect of Indian music and looping is that ICM is largely repetitive to begin with, but part of the allure of a good musician is that s/he will take even the most frequently repeated phrase and slightly alter it each time, making it new and exciting. But as far as serious classical performance goes, I couldn't really forsee looping being widely accepted, except possibly for replacing the tanpura drone, which is already being done electronically. However, the Indian sense of tolerance and absorption from other countries and cultures is legendary. For instance, the sitar, sarod, shehnai, and harmonium were all developed from "foreign" instruments, and today there are many performers playing modified "slide" guitars and electric mandolins. So anything is possible! I'd love to see it happen. James Pokorny Ate logo, Matthias! From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 8 23:39:01 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id XAA07621; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 23:39:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 23:39:01 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <370D6E9B.E3082452@apex.net> Date: Thu, 08 Apr 1999 22:06:17 -0500 From: James Devillez Reply-To: grndflor@apex.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V99 #141 References: <199904082126.RAA23703@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"3VgI1.0.Is.ouM3t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5046 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > Administrivia: > Looper's Delight > **************** > Please send posts to: > Loopers-Delight@annihilist.co > Don't send them to the digest! > To subscribe/unsubscribe to the Loopers-Delight digest version, send email > with "subscribe" (or "unsubscribe") in both the subject and the body, with no > signature files, to: > > Loopers-Delight-d-request@annihilist.com > > To subscribe/unsubscribe to the real Loopers-Delight list, send email > with "subscribe" (or "unsubscribe") in both the subject and the body, with no > signature files, to: > > Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > > Check the web page for archives and lots of other goodies! > > http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html > > Your humble list maintainer, > > Kim Flint > kflint@annihilist.com > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: Help to unsubscribe > Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 16:59:47 +1000 > From: Robert Long > To: > > Dear Loopers > > Help > > My son somehow got me on this list and I can't get off. > > I have tried unsubscribing to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com but > it won't take me off. Can anyone help? > > Robert Long > > Dr Robert Long > Coordinator > Galilee Education Services > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ jamesscottwrote:read the directions above if you deem necessary ,,in the meantime learn something you imagined and let your son learn also. there is only knowledge and music here. > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 9 02:23:01 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id CAA11137; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 02:23:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 02:23:01 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: klaw@pop.iglou.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Fri, 09 Apr 1999 00:52:10 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Keenan Lawler Subject: Re: Loop the Loop Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: Resent-Message-ID: <"cYxdC.0.7h.w1P3t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5047 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hello everybody -thought i would chime in here -those famil;ar with the switchblade made by sound sculpture will know how east it is to set up controllable feedback loops -seperate little networks you can crossfade in -out of using continious controllers-it can get pretty intense though especially in a live situation -really have to wattch the tonal content going into the insert point lots of digital noise -it helps to have another tone shaping device like a eq to tailor the frequencies going back in -some amazing sounds though can be created especially with relooped pitch shifting---i think Laswell uses this as a stock dub effect ---oh going to be out in SF april 19-24 anything happening that week ? thanks Keenan > >BTW did anybody in NYC see either David First or Robert Poss looping gig at XI ? >>>I don't know how Mr. Myers does it, but I just run the output of looper A >>>into looper B and back again - if you do it enough times you'll get a >very >>>strange resonance since each device colors the sound in its own way. I >>>imagine if you kept doing it for a year or so you'd end up with noise (and >>>probably a messiah complex). >> >>>jmw >> >>Good observation. Now, what if looper A can feed looper B and itself, and >>looper B can feed looper A and itself, and what if you have four loopers or >>more? And if you can manage control of all of those paths? Hmm... that's >>what been fueling my particular psychosis all these years. Get into it >>enough, and you begin to wonder about the need for guitars, keyboards, and >>all the endless discussion about graphite necks. Maybe I've looked too >>hard and am suffering from mental strain (a distinct possibility), but I've >>found that as I increase the microscope's focus, the specks of dust on the >>floor--through the miracle of the loop--take on an unexpected significance. >>Loop de Loop indeed! >> > >David, > >That is some great thoughts, I love all this weirdness coming from everyone. > >That I believe is something that John cage did at one time. You can here >what something like that sounds like on Rafael Toral's album Arieola >Frequency. You can get it through forced exposure like i did. it's pretty >cool. Not exactly what i had in mind but will soon begin my experiments in >resonance. > >Jeff Collins > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 9 03:36:01 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id DAA20583; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 03:36:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 03:36:01 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Steve Savage" To: "Loopers-Delight@annihilist. com" Subject: subharmonic synthesisers Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 08:48:40 +0200 Message-ID: <000001be8255$0043ffc0$051e010a@digitalm.co.za> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Resent-Message-ID: <"NR8wx2.0.1s3.nDQ3t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5048 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Has anyone ever tried using a subharmonic synthesiser unit with bass guitar sounds. I have heard them used to great effect with synth sounds (incredible doofs)! If they could work with electric bass I could have the phatest bass sound imaginable. Any comments? Steve Savage Digital Mining Services 083 305 1136 011 807 5151 From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 9 03:52:44 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id DAA21718; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 03:52:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 03:52:44 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <000001be8255$0043ffc0$051e010a@digitalm.co.za> References: <000001be8255$0043ffc0$051e010a@digitalm.co.za> Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 01:26:00 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Edwin Hurwitz Subject: Re: subharmonic synthesisers Resent-Message-ID: <"1QPd62.0.qq4.ahQ3t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5050 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >Has anyone ever tried using a subharmonic synthesiser unit with bass guitar >sounds. I have heard them used to great effect with synth sounds (incredible >doofs)! If they could work with electric bass I could have the phatest bass >sound imaginable. Any comments? > >Steve Savage >Digital Mining Services >083 305 1136 >011 807 5151 I have an old dbx subharmonic synth ( I worked at dbx iver the summer of '79 and remember modifying the combination subharmonic synth dynamic range expander owned by studio 54. The had these concrete subs they would test stuff with that would rattle the whole block) that I used to use a lot. I played one gig where the house sound guy told me if I turned it on again he would take me outside and beat me senseless. I tried to explain to him that I could be turned down in the mains if he was worried about his system, but to no avail. It did sound awesome in venues such as the Horizontal Boogie Bar in Rochester NY (14,000 watts into EV manifold cabs for the lows) and the Fox Theater here in Boulder (custom Dowlen PA with McCauley subs). After checking out my rig back then, Mike Gordon incorporated one into his. I think he might have used the Furman, if not the dbx that was current at the time. Edwin Edwin Hurwitz Boulder CO http://www.indra.com/~edwin From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 9 03:59:53 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id DAA22471; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 03:59:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 03:59:53 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <370D63DD.ADB9512D@texas.net> Date: Fri, 09 Apr 1999 02:20:17 +0000 From: Bobdog Reply-To: psbuddha@texas.net Organization: Pseudo Buddha/Doghouse Ent. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Asian instruments References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"m7AC52.0.wk4.7fQ3t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5049 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com matthias & james, et al: i would be guessing, but after listening to u. srinivas go absolutely !nuts! on michael brook's echo rig on the "dream" cd (real world - carol 23352-3)*, i'll bet that he would eat a looping device for lunch. i'm planning on a trip to india this winter & i'm trying to find someone to give me an introduction so i can sit with him for some lessons. if that happens i will definitely bring up the subject... i don't see much mention of m. brook on this list. hmmmmm. bobdog *one of the finest cd's of 1995, imho From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 9 04:40:26 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id EAA26348; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 04:40:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 04:40:26 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Posted-Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 03:14:47 -0500 (CDT) Organisation: UMR Message-Id: <4.1.19990409030657.01292f10@mail.well.com> X-Sender: flawsjef@mail.well.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Fri, 09 Apr 1999 03:13:42 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Jeffrey Flaws Subject: Re: subharmonic synthesisers In-Reply-To: <000001be8255$0043ffc0$051e010a@digitalm.co.za> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"nlSxE2.0.Ew5.5TR3t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5051 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I've kept a subharmonic synthesizer in my FOH drive rack for the past nine plus years. "Don't leave home without it." A little goes a long way. Make sure you have for real infrasonic protection. They can make thinks sound buzzy or choppy if you turn them up too far, but that may turn out to be a valid instrument effect. I'd say give that a try for sure. (Pre-Distortion ???) A subharmonic synth is very much like an octave divider pedal. The older dbx models turn up used often enough, but there seems to be some myth that the older ones sound better or something. Having played around with several, I've found the current dbx 120XP to be very clean and more versatile than it's predecssors. Some people dislike the Furman unit, although I think they were overusing it. Audio Control made a variant called the "Phase Coupled Activator" which I think had a differenty philosophy behind their proprietary detector stages. Finally, most have some form (often stereo in, mono sub out) crossover incorporated, just a handy tip (for when your main crossover goes to heaven unexpectedly.) Good Luck !!! Peace ... Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 9 07:47:41 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id HAA09755; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 07:47:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 07:47:41 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <370DE383.C4F28039@dial.pipex.com> Date: Fri, 09 Apr 1999 12:24:52 +0100 From: Gareth Whittock X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: infinite sustain - a bit off topic References: <199904082117.RAA22682@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"M0f69.0.Ry1.XGU3t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5052 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi I know this is slightly OT but I know there's a fair amount of expertise on this list so here goes:- I'm thinking of making my own infinite sustain system for guitar. Does anyone know how I should rewind my pickup? Have any of you characters done this? Thanks chaps, Gareth From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 9 08:07:34 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id IAA11669; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 08:07:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 08:07:34 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Steve Savage" To: Subject: RE: infinite sustain - a bit off topic Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 13:29:35 +0200 Message-ID: <002501be827c$3f26b710$051e010a@digitalm.co.za> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 In-Reply-To: <370DE383.C4F28039@dial.pipex.com> Resent-Message-ID: <"532xj3.0.v62.QMU3t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5053 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com just strap the speaker cab to you guitar body and turn it up to 11. > -----Original Message----- > From: Gareth Whittock [mailto:whiteoak@dial.pipex.com] > Sent: Friday, April 09, 1999 1:25 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Subject: Re: infinite sustain - a bit off topic > > > Hi I know this is slightly OT but I know there's a fair amount of > expertise on this list so here goes:- > I'm thinking of making my own infinite sustain system for guitar. Does > anyone know how I should rewind my pickup? > Have any of you characters done this? > > Thanks chaps, > Gareth > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 9 09:03:58 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id JAA17841; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 09:03:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 09:03:58 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199904091244.IAA13704@ulster.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Fri, 09 Apr 1999 08:40:03 -0400 Subject: Re: loop religion From: "jmw/cmu" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"i3WnC3.0.-m3.INV3t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5054 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >Your kidding, but it may be true in some way, any serious observations? Actually, I'm not kidding. I've done a fair amount of meditation and I've noticed very similar states of conscienceness after intense listening to looped material, which is why I made the connection. In Zen ( and other buddhist traditions) the 1st practice is counting each breath from 1 to 10 and repeating the cycle, starting from 1 again each time your thoughts have strayed. Next you may count every other breath up to ten. Then just focusing on each breath without counting. Most likely you will become aware of the rhythm of your breathing & of your heartbeat. To my mind these are all loops. Listening to loops for prolonged periods may promote deeper concentration simply by virtue of the fact that by not changing (much) they allow the mind to settle down. Deeper concentration may lead to introspection and ultimately you may find very deep significance in the dust particles on the floor. I also think that drones work in the same way (maybe drones are just really small loops). There have been studies of shamanistic drumming that suggest static rhythms at certain tempos can alter brainwaves. The same has been said about the rhythm of "rave" music. (Of course in both cases there can be lots of drug use which also effects the brain.) Lest we mistake "the finger pointing at the moon for the moon" - it's not the loops, drones, drugs or practices, those are all fingers that just aid us in getting out of our own way. In the end "Buddha realizes Buddha" and the eye sees itself. Sheesh, see what happens when I answer email before having coffee! peace, jmw From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 9 09:23:05 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id JAA20035; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 09:23:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 09:23:05 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199904091244.IAA13710@ulster.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Fri, 09 Apr 1999 08:33:00 -0400 Subject: Re: electronic From: "jmw/cmu" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"yS4Xe2.0.8n3.INV3t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5055 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >James made an interesting contribution: >How do you think the indians would receive the looping tools to >simplyfy/extend their music? Do they use any electronics exept for straight >amplification of their traditional work? One of my friends, a bansuri player - is always appearing with new electronic gadjets that he picks up in India - he must have at least 8 different shruti boxes ( drone makers) and 3 or 4 electronic tabla machines - one of them even has a tv style remote control! They're all *really* funky/clunky. So I guess that some players are using electronics but I'm sure you wont see Ravi Shankar w/ an Boomerang anytime soon. jmw From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 9 10:03:37 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id KAA25530; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 10:03:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 10:03:37 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Sender: mpeters@csi.com Message-ID: <01BE829D.BCFFCE30.mpeters@csi.com> From: Michael Peters To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: AW: loop religion Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 15:28:47 +0200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-Mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"F0m133.0.W75.y2W3t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5058 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com jmw wrote, > Actually, I'm not kidding. I've done a fair amount of meditation and I've > noticed very similar states of conscienceness after intense listening to > looped material, which is why I made the connection. ok, this might be debatable but there is certainly a spiritual/religious/zen potential in a practice of listening, to loops or just to whatever is there. To get the complete idea, I'd recommend the books of looper Pauline Oliveros who spent years and years researching this. The basic idea is of course that sound is always in the here and now. Listening *completely* to whatever is there in this very moment - breathing, cars, birds - without judging, naming, wanting or rejecting can open up something new. My experience is that in this position, listening to music rather than to natural sounds is more difficult - music tends to transport emotions which are often complex to deal with, and our noisy brains are complex enough and difficult to handle already. Of course, ba sically in a way there is no difference between music and environmental sounds, as John Cage pointed out. * Michael Peters: mpeters@csi.com * escape veloopity: electronic guitar loop music * hop - fractals in motion: strange attractors * http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Mpeters From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 9 09:44:19 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id JAA22912; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 09:44:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 09:44:19 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: DDemarc@aol.com Message-ID: <4d904cdd.243f5856@aol.com> Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 09:19:18 EDT Subject: Re: subharmonic synthesisers To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 246 Reply-To: DDemarc@aol.com Resent-Message-ID: <"1A8zH.0.iq4.CxV3t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5056 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 4/9/99 12:34:51 AM Pacific Daylight Time, steve@digitalm.co.za writes: << Has anyone ever tried using a subharmonic synthesiser unit with bass guitar sounds. I have heard them used to great effect with synth sounds (incredible doofs)! If they could work with electric bass I could have the phatest bass sound imaginable. Any comments? >> The EH Bass Microsynth has a sub octave control on it which does in fact, "phatten" up the tone quite a bit. Use caution at high volumes though. I'm not aware of any dedicated subharmonic synths... From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 9 10:15:21 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id KAA27499; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 10:15:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 10:15:21 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990409133949.75153.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [207.94.66.242] From: "Matt Rowe" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: loop religion ==> references? pretty please? Date: Fri, 09 Apr 1999 06:39:49 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"sDvdj2.0.9W5.HEW3t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5060 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com hey all, can anyone here point me towards these studies, or some literature/web sites on this topic? where are these kinds of studies typically published? psychology journals? sociology journals? i'm more interested in the shamanistic side of things, rather than the rave side. matt >There have been studies of shamanistic drumming that suggest static rhythms >at certain tempos can alter brainwaves. The same has been said about the >rhythm of "rave" music. (Of course in both cases there can be lots of drug >use which also effects the brain.) >peace, > >jmw The price I pay for free, private email is the following commercial message... _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 9 10:20:02 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id KAA28209; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 10:20:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 10:20:02 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Hawkeye255@aol.com Message-ID: <849774a7.243f59c3@aol.com> Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 09:25:23 EDT Subject: Re: things that we loop To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Reply-To: Hawkeye255@aol.com Resent-Message-ID: <"96hNY.0.a35.n0W3t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5057 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 4/8/99 4:11:25 PM Central Daylight Time, matthias@grob.org writes: to the growing list of sampled (then looped) sounds I would add my list of traffic sounds and sounds recorded at a motocross track on race night. Bill Reiter "Boomslang" << guitars keyboards basses strings didgeridoos vocals laughter animal noises samples some everykind of percussion imaginable wind instruments turntables broadcast sounds from radio and TV film dialog found sounds stick washing machine hose bullroarers Toddlers and their toys fart and burp human boddy looping devices themselves window fan reverb coils guitar and bass guitar gutted piano toy flutes window fan "Mega Mouth Warp'r" "The Grossinator" answering machine tapes drum machine...analog & digital kitchenware metal cabinets those whistles that go "fweeeeee!!!!" water jug water pipes under my house video games radio shack laser beam toy squeaky violin garage door record skips rake styrofoam analog echo pedal feedback college students in hallways garage bands buncha toys >> From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 9 10:09:04 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id KAA26355; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 10:09:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 10:09:04 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19990409082454.008514d0@tamiu.edu> X-Sender: myoder@tamiu.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 09 Apr 1999 08:24:54 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: "Michael S. Yoder" Subject: Re: Loop da loop .... In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"5VCRi1.0.YC5.F5W3t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5059 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 11:29 AM 4/8/99 -0700, you wrote: >What is the sound of one looper looping? > It's the sound of one looper's looping device denying the (loop)ability of a second looping device, creating an (in)finite discourse of repeated silence. M.Y. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Dr. Michael S. Yoder Assistant Professor of Geography, Coordinator of Urban Studies Texas A&M International University 5201 University Blvd. Laredo, TX 78041 Tel. (956) 326-2634; FAX (956) 326-2464 Internet:myoder@tamiu.edu =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=--=-=-=-== From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 9 10:41:52 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id KAA31416; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 10:41:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 10:41:52 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <2C396693FBDED111AEF60000F84104A701B1652C@indyexch_fddi.indy.tce.com> From: Hoover Alan To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: infinite sustain - a bit off topic Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 08:45:28 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <"OOw2K1.0.zh5.cJW3t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5062 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com You can go to the IBM patent search engine: http://patent.womplex.ibm.com/ Look up U.S. patent numbers: 4,941,388; 5,070,759; 4,852,444. There are many others on the subject. Have fun! -----Original Message----- From: Gareth Whittock [mailto:whiteoak@dial.pipex.com] Sent: Friday, April 09, 1999 6:25 AM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: infinite sustain - a bit off topic Hi I know this is slightly OT but I know there's a fair amount of expertise on this list so here goes:- I'm thinking of making my own infinite sustain system for guitar. Does anyone know how I should rewind my pickup? Have any of you characters done this? Thanks chaps, Gareth From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 9 10:41:21 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id KAA31360; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 10:41:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 10:41:21 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Synthblock@aol.com Message-ID: <6c48f7c.243f5d55@aol.com> Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 09:40:37 EDT Subject: RE: sticky stuff To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 38 Reply-To: Synthblock@aol.com Resent-Message-ID: <"Ne2pW1.0.TY5.HFW3t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5061 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Rodrigo wrote: >>im going to be buying a stick soon(12 string) now after talking with them on the phone(and perusing the web page)ive become confused as to what wood/pickup to pick>> I owned a Stick about 8 years ago, it was number 700 and something, and the bottom line is that it sounded like a Stick! What I'm trying to say is that I'm not sure how much the wood or pickups will affect the sound if you're just trying to have the classic stick sound. I'm sure the "standard" pickup would be fine. My favorite bit about the stick was that the pickup was in stereo so you can process the bass and treble strings differently. As a live looping tool, the possibilities are neat. Good luck with your purchase. Regards, jonathan (http://members.tripod.com/~synthetic_block/) From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 9 10:56:28 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id KAA01336; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 10:56:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 10:56:28 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "David Dale" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 10:21:53 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: microcassette loops Reply-to: ddale@one.net Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.54) Message-Id: <19990409142339Z19703-16514+234@mail2.one.net> Resent-Message-ID: <"cRjPO2.0.D37.wsW3t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5064 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Dear friends, I'm looking to buy some microcassette loop tapes. Do you know where I can find them? Please let me know ASAP. Thanks! David Dale "He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose." - Jim Elliot Christian Student Fellowship at Miami University A God of Love. A Family of Friends. A Flame to Light the World. * Tuesdays 8:30 pm 129 Shideler * Fridays 8:00 pm Donatos Pizza * 16 East Walnut St. Oxford, OH 45056 phone (513) 523-3394 fax (508) 464-0328 http://www.naccm.org/csf Visit my home page: http://w3.one.net/~ddale From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 9 11:02:10 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id LAA02262; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 11:02:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 11:02:10 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 09:52:57 -0400 (EDT) From: billfox@lucent.com (William_B_Fox) Message-Id: <199904091352.JAA08494@badboy.micro.lucent.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: EMUSIC Playlist Resent-Message-ID: <"lyDEQ2.0.Zv5.GQW3t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5063 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Playlist for "EMUSIC" "Emusic," an electronic, ambient, and space music show, airs each Thursday at 11pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ. http://www.wdiyfm.org/schedule/s_emusic.html Show #109 April 8, 1999. Host: Bill Fox http://www.wdiyfm.org billfox@fast.net On this show, I continued the month-long focus on British synthesist Paul Nagle, a prominent member of the GoldTri mailing list. The feature CD at midnight was "Firedancer" on AMP Records, disc two in a series of four. Paul Nagle : http://www.softroom.freeserve.co.uk EMUSIC Focus : http://www.wdiyfm.org/emusic/playlists/focus.html The sixth annual Alfa-Centauri Electronic Music Festival will take place on April 10 in Huizen, the Netherlands at the Theatre 3-in-1. The next Star's End Gathering will take place on April 24 at St. Mary's Church in Philadelphia. Music of some of the artists who will perform at these events was played in the first hour of the show. Alfa-Centauri : http://home.wxs.nl/~quantumproductions RAMP : http:/www.netz-gronau.de/ramp Redshift : http://www.users.dircon.co.uk/~redshift T-Bass UK : http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~dhughes/tbass.html Star's End : http://www.starsend.org Spacecraft : http://spaceformusic.com/spacecraft.html EMUSIC Events : http://www.wdiyfm.org/emusic/events.html ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== 11:00 pm VA [Bios] The Dark Journey Sequences No. 21 (Sequences) Redshift Statis Ether (Champagne Lake) T-Bass UK Time After Time Connexion (Thinking Metal) RAMP Generatorenkonflikt CD-R from RAMP (none) Stratosphere The Opening Spaces The Introspective Spaces (Amplexus) Eric Snelders The Singularity Trap TheSourceOfScarletDreams(Quantum) Spacecraft Destination: Infinity Spacecraft(LektronicSoundscapes) Robert Carty Lightpulse The Mystic Choice (Deep Sky) 12:00 am Paul Nagle Firedancer Firedancer (AMP) Paul Nagle Vulcan's Forge Firedancer (AMP) Paul Nagle Sons of the Desert Firedancer (AMP) Paul Nagle Aftermath Firedancer (AMP) Paul Nagle Sword of Flame Firedancer (AMP) Paul Nagle Sandalwood Firedancer (AMP) Paul Nagle Lava Firedancer (AMP) Paul Nagle Torchbearer Firedancer (AMP) Paul Nagle Morning Light Firedancer (AMP) Paul Nagle Forgery Firedancer (AMP) Victor Cerullo Embryon Ludus (Groove) Victor Cerullo The Signal Ludus (Groove) 1:00 am * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) On the next EMUSIC, I will continue the month-long focus on British synthesizer artist Paul Nagle. The feature CD at midnight will be "Skyrider" on AMP Records, disc 3 in a series of four. Please visit the WDIY web site and navigate through the schedule to the EMUSIC pages. Playlists for every show are there. Hot links to artists and labels can be found in the monthly focus section. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 9 12:30:36 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id LAA08065; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 11:46:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 11:46:54 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <00f601be829a$1ff4e470$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: Subject: Re: Loop da loop .... Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 10:03:28 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"cdTpP3.0.yp.vXX3t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5066 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I must applaud this thread with the sound of one hand clapping. :) Dennis Leas ----------------------------- dennis@mdbs.com -----Original Message----- From: Michael S. Yoder To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Friday, April 09, 1999 9:11 AM Subject: Re: Loop da loop .... >At 11:29 AM 4/8/99 -0700, you wrote: >>What is the sound of one looper looping? >> > >It's the sound of one looper's looping device denying the (loop)ability of >a second looping device, creating an (in)finite discourse of repeated silence. > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 9 12:31:20 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id LAA09285; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 11:54:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 11:54:32 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <006901be8298$c1c6be60$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: Subject: Re: Loopable percussion (was: Tabla...) Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 09:53:40 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"FXaLE3.0.wU.jOX3t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5065 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com IMHO, Tabla are one of the ultimate drums. At one point in my life I was debating selling all my other instruments (over 150) and devoting myself to the tabla. Fortunately, this temporary mania passed. Tabla are extremely versatile but I find it hard to get a good sound since they're relatively quiet. I usually use a pair of mics. Good in the studio, trouble on stage. I haven't tried a pick-up yet. After this thread, I'm definitely going to! Check-out the "mini-tablas" on http://www.tabla.com/tablahpg.html . These might work better for looping. Also, I have an udu "drum" that works really well. Lark in the Morning lists them on this page: http://www.larkinam.com/MenComNet/Business/Retail/Larknet/Africa . Mine was made by Frank Giorgini and I LOVE it. I had the opportunity to speak with Frank and can vouch for his integrity as an instrument maker. My udu has a small opening for a mic near the "snout". I use a cheap Radio Shack mic ($25.00!) and EQ the H*** out of it. I find the udu extremely expressive and a lot easier to mic than the tabla. Some useful techniques: 1) Boost the treble. Tapping the udu sounds like claves. Rubbing the udu sounds like brushes on a snare drum. 2) Boost the bass. While clapping one hand over an opening, insert your thumb into the other opening. The further into the udu you stick your thumb, the lower the pitch. 3) Increase the volume until you're on the verge of feedback. When you clap your hand over an opening, the resonance increases, obtaining controlled feedback. Vary the pitch as in technique 2. Rock out! Dennis Leas ----------------------------- dennis@mdbs.com -----Original Message----- From: Matthias Grob To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Cc: Edgar Silva Date: Thursday, April 08, 1999 4:34 PM Subject: Loopable percussion (was: Tabla...) >This thread seamed to go OT, but we are simply looking for percussion >instruments that are easy to loop (no feeback and interference problems): From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 9 13:09:48 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id NAA20453; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 13:09:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 13:09:48 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Alan Imberg" To: Subject: Re: loop religion Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 09:12:55 -0700 Message-ID: <01be82a3$d3708780$040fc0d8@default> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"dyEFQ1.0.-93.UTY3t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5067 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I concur with JMW. I consider myself a spiritual seeker and have read and practiced Buddhist techniques for reflection. In a musical context, the most serene and freeflowing experiences have been while looping. Have any of you listened to a recording of The Master Musicians of Jajouka? The repetition in their music is truly mesmerizing when listened to intently. I'm still learning about the spiritual significance of music but my limited experience has shown me that repetition has some sort of power. Alan I. -----Original Message----- From: jmw/cmu To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Friday, April 09, 1999 6:03 AM Subject: Re: loop religion >>Your kidding, but it may be true in some way, any serious observations? > >Actually, I'm not kidding. I've done a fair amount of meditation and I've >noticed very similar states of conscienceness after intense listening to >looped material, which is why I made the connection. > >In Zen ( and other buddhist traditions) the 1st practice is counting each >breath from 1 to 10 and repeating the cycle, starting from 1 again each time >your thoughts have strayed. Next you may count every other breath up to ten. >Then just focusing on each breath without counting. Most likely you will >become aware of the rhythm of your breathing & of your heartbeat. To my mind >these are all loops. > >Listening to loops for prolonged periods may promote deeper concentration >simply by virtue of the fact that by not changing (much) they allow the mind >to >settle down. Deeper concentration may lead to introspection and ultimately >you may find very deep significance in the dust particles on the floor. I >also think that drones work in the same way (maybe drones are just really >small loops). > >There have been studies of shamanistic drumming that suggest static rhythms >at certain tempos can alter brainwaves. The same has been said about the >rhythm of "rave" music. (Of course in both cases there can be lots of drug >use which also effects the brain.) > >Lest we mistake "the finger pointing at the moon for the moon" - it's not >the loops, drones, drugs or practices, those are all fingers that just aid >us in getting out of our own way. In the end "Buddha realizes Buddha" and >the eye sees itself. > >Sheesh, see what happens when I answer email before having coffee! > >peace, > >jmw > > > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 9 13:28:36 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id NAA23332; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 13:28:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 13:28:36 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <7b55d17.243f8a52@aol.com> Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 12:52:34 EDT Subject: Re: AW: loop religion To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 Reply-To: Nemoguitt@aol.com Resent-Message-ID: <"DFQ9n1.0.ZP4.23Z3t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5069 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 4/9/99 1:02:29 PM Mid-Atlantic Daylight Time, mpeters@csi.com writes: << music tends to transport emotions which are often complex to deal with, and our noisy brains are complex enough and difficult to handle already. >> perhaps a study like this can show us the emotional/intellectual "loops" that are within us....what triggers them and what happens when they degrade or change......when i am physically moved by a beat, or when my body becomes involved with the music then the playing field is expanded, (mind, emotion,body).....music, loops, can transport us to a sense of the present and perhaps let us see the flow of energy within these three disjointed aspects of ourselves.......wheres my coffee?.........michael From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 9 13:17:52 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id NAA21734; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 13:17:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 13:17:52 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <370E2D1D.5E27A402@uswest.com> Date: Fri, 09 Apr 1999 10:38:53 -0600 From: "James Lanpheer" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en]C-USWC0720 (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Subject: Re: Asian instruments References: <370D63DD.ADB9512D@texas.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"-MHDd3.0.Ex3.mrY3t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5068 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Acouple of things on this thread... First, I'd say that the acceptance/non-acceptance of technology into Indian music is largely a generational thing. As mentioned, Talvin Singh uses technology to GREAT effect on OK and his Asian Underground stuff. As Bobdog says, the "Dream" cd is a keeper. And, there's some instructive notes on Srinivas' interest in technology on the sleeve. I quote: "Prior to this Srinivas hadn't worked very much with electronics, but he was interested in innovative ways of recording. For example, he had never used echo before but clearly he was aware of some of the possibilities of the studio because he had composed a piece for the traditional record that counted on him overdubbing his parts. He ad a spirit of willingness to try new things." Zakir Hussein has also shown himself to be open to some of the possibilities of looping and electronics, thru his participation in projects involving Mickey Hart/Planet Drum and Bill Laswell. However, none of these are "traditional" Indian musics, and I'd frankly doubt that you'd ever see true overt looping devices in the traditional music (other than perhaps looping the tambura, which is all a live tambura player does anyway, strums the strings over and over....). Second, I've been studying tabla for awhile now, and a couple of weekends ago, I had the pleasure of spending most of the weekend studying with the great Anindo Chatterjee, who was in town for a couple of concerts. I never did ask him about technology and/or looping because I was so involved in tabla and trying to understand his English! However, he seems to only be interested in the traditional music. To the un-initiated this may appear that he's leaving out a world of expressive tools. However, this man is a serious human looper! He don't NEED no STINKING machines! I simply gaped in astonishment as he demonstrated the sounds of 17 beats over 16 beats, and then, changed it to 11 beats over 14 beats, all the while, throwing in different sounds and changing the accents on every "loop". It was simply un-freaking-believable! I seriously think that he'd find all the techology a MAJOR hinderance, rather than a "tool". And its all in his head and in his fingers... All praise and respect to Anindo Chatterjee! Regards, Jim Lanpheer Bobdog wrote: > matthias & james, et al: > > i would be guessing, but after listening to u. srinivas go absolutely > !nuts! on michael brook's echo rig on the "dream" cd (real world - > carol 23352-3)*, i'll bet that he would eat a looping device for lunch. > i'm planning on a trip to india this winter & i'm trying to find someone > to give me an introduction so i can sit with him for some lessons. if > that happens i will definitely bring up the subject... > > i don't see much mention of m. brook on this list. hmmmmm. > > bobdog > > *one of the finest cd's of 1995, imho From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 9 13:43:01 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id NAA26267; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 13:43:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 13:43:01 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199904091721.MAA09153@mail.netdirect.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Fri, 09 Apr 1999 12:21:46 -0500 Subject: Re: loop religion From: "mister gone" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"W0j5p2.0.JU5.uTZ3t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5070 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com this explains why i love to play the same three chords for hours... ______________________________ ___________________________ - j . e r i c s h a l l o p "deep in my heart, i have a eshallop@netdirect.net great hate for music." (saddest new kid on the block) - blixa bargeld ---------- >From: "jmw/cmu" >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Subject: Re: loop religion >Date: Fri, Apr 9, 1999, 7:40 AM > >>Your kidding, but it may be true in some way, any serious observations? > > Actually, I'm not kidding. I've done a fair amount of meditation and I've > noticed very similar states of conscienceness after intense listening to > looped material, which is why I made the connection. > > In Zen ( and other buddhist traditions) the 1st practice is counting each > breath from 1 to 10 and repeating the cycle, starting from 1 again each time > your thoughts have strayed. Next you may count every other breath up to ten. > Then just focusing on each breath without counting. Most likely you will > become aware of the rhythm of your breathing & of your heartbeat. To my mind > these are all loops. > > Listening to loops for prolonged periods may promote deeper concentration > simply by virtue of the fact that by not changing (much) they allow the mind > to > settle down. Deeper concentration may lead to introspection and ultimately > you may find very deep significance in the dust particles on the floor. I > also think that drones work in the same way (maybe drones are just really > small loops). > > There have been studies of shamanistic drumming that suggest static rhythms > at certain tempos can alter brainwaves. The same has been said about the > rhythm of "rave" music. (Of course in both cases there can be lots of drug > use which also effects the brain.) > > Lest we mistake "the finger pointing at the moon for the moon" - it's not > the loops, drones, drugs or practices, those are all fingers that just aid > us in getting out of our own way. In the end "Buddha realizes Buddha" and > the eye sees itself. > > Sheesh, see what happens when I answer email before having coffee! > > peace, > > jmw > > > > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 9 14:26:45 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id OAA02852; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 14:26:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 14:26:45 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <17f96e0a.243f93f7@aol.com> Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 13:33:43 EDT Subject: Re: Asian instruments To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 Reply-To: Nemoguitt@aol.com Resent-Message-ID: <"MDd4T3.0.n86.hgZ3t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5072 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com i know for a fact that the first time i had ever heard a tambura, my life was changed.....oh heavenly droooooon.........do you think that they will ever make the electronic ones small enough to carry around in our shirt pockets?....michael From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 9 14:09:36 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id OAA31720; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 14:09:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 14:09:36 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: pcamann@csc.com X-Lotus-FromDomain: CSC To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com cc: prcamann@aol.com Message-ID: <8525674E.005F3E0E.00@csc.com> Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 13:24:45 -0400 Subject: PDSx000 pedals under the covers Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"wc1U02.0.Kh5.XYZ3t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5071 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com To anyone on the list who knows the PDS2000 and PDS8000 pedals at a circuit/schematic level: Are the internals of these two similar, differing only in memory and addressing circuitry, or do they differ markedly? And do they use discrete memory chips (like my RDS1900 and RDS3.6) or is the whole shooting match embedded in a single chip (like the RDS8000 and the Boss DD5)? Any input would be very welcome. Thanks in advance. Paul Camann From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 9 14:54:30 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id OAA08121; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 14:54:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 14:54:30 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 10:56:08 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel) Subject: Re: subharmonic synthesisers Resent-Message-ID: <"RM1pN2.0.Z57.2zZ3t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5073 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 8:48 AM 4/9/99, Steve Savage wrote: >Has anyone ever tried using a subharmonic synthesiser unit with bass guitar >sounds. I have heard them used to great effect with synth sounds (incredible >doofs)! If they could work with electric bass I could have the phatest bass >sound imaginable. Any comments? > Ooooh yeah, boyee, you can get a bass phat enuff to fill the baggiest of pants.... Umm, ahem...I have DBX 120xp sub synth, love it. I believe I read somewhere it's what Laswell uses. I was turned on to it by a friend who runs a live sound company, he patches it into the main mix of his big system for added "beef". I don't use it live, I really don't need a thicker bass sound when I play live, but it does get a lot of use in the studio, on bass, kick drums, even as a mastering tool on mixes that come in with a weak low end. ________________________________________________________ Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org : www.peak.org/~improv/ "...there will come a day when you won't have to use gasoline. You'd simply take a cassette and put it in your car, let it run. You'd have to have the proper type of music. Like you take two sticks, put 'em together, make fire. You take some notes and rub 'em together - dum, dum, dum, dum - fire, cosmic fire." -Sun Ra ________________________________________________________ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 9 15:07:01 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id PAA10854; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 15:07:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 15:07:01 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <025201be82b3$8c5cc740$692310ac@Douglas> From: "K. Douglas Baldwin" To: , Subject: Re: micro synth and loop de loop Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 14:03:23 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 Content-Type: text/plain; boundary="----------------------------"; charset="iso-8859-1" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"FRKnu2.0.eR7.C3a3t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5075 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I've been following the comments on the micro synth with great interest as I will be reviewing th new reissue for Guitar World magazine in the next week or two- should hit the stands in two months. If you have any ADDITIONAL comments as to it's use, please email me at the address below. Also, I'm surprised that nobody has commented more on the connection between repetitive patterns in spiritual practices and looping. Prayer, meditation, dance (Sufi dervishes) all employ this technique to some extent. I'm no expert, but I thought the connection was obvious. Perhaps a new thread: how come no women involved? Why has no credit been given to Pauline Oliveros for her Fripp-like-before-Fripp experiments in tape looping, and for her ambient experiments in general? Douglas Baldwin, the Coyote dbaldwin@suffolk.lib.ny.us From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 9 15:03:12 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id PAA10024; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 15:03:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 15:03:12 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Sender: r_t_cummings@csi.com Message-ID: <370DF2A3.2AD6DB5C@csi.com> Date: Fri, 09 Apr 1999 14:29:23 +0200 From: Cummings X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [de] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Asian instruments References: <002801be8143$4d127600$94b84e0c@u73x0> <3.0.5.32.19990408210251.007a6580@pop.ici.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <"zApb41.0.A_7.AEa3t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5077 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com i've read about talvin singh using electronic tablas that he plays standing up. anybody have any idea what these are - wave drums or trigger pads? talvin singh also toured with bjrk after her first album - there's a bootleg around which illustrates his playing in a live context quite well. he's also played out with squarepusher recently. i also know that ansuman biswas mixes electronics with tablas and other indian percussion - is this the same guy as kingsuk biswas? -the man cable- Tim Nelson schrieb: ... snip ... > Talvin Singh had quite a bit of success a couple of > years ago with an album called Anokha: Soundz of the Asian Underground that > has some pretty cool loop-based stuff; it's a compilation featuring > musicians such as State of Bengal, A.R. Rahman, Amar, Kingsuk Biswas (he > samples and loops his tablas!), Future Soundz of India and others. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 9 15:12:32 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id PAA11897; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 15:12:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 15:12:32 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <000701be82b2$f4868a00$c7b0eccd@FRAGAR> From: "Frank Antonucci" To: Subject: Echoplex analog loops Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 14:01:12 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0004_01BE8291.6CD4B260" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"FyGA02.0.uP7.u2a3t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5074 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BE8291.6CD4B260 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable hello,can you please email me any information on any anolog Echoplex = units available ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BE8291.6CD4B260 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BE8291.6CD4B260-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 9 15:23:23 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id PAA13732; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 15:23:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 15:23:23 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhQZ9ZeJdOsNt2MYLX2EHA0I/n9X7gIUftV3IJAw5od+daCpxmBuvwHNiBg= From: vimana@webtv.net (vimana) Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 13:55:21 -0500 (CDT) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: loop religion Message-ID: <582-370E4D19-1701@postoffice-123.bryant.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: "Alan Imberg" 's message of Fri, 9 Apr 1999 09:12:55 -0700 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary=WebTV-Mail-977991995-815 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Resent-Message-ID: <"5Qyrx2.0.k62.dra3t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5081 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com --WebTV-Mail-977991995-815 Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit loop = mantra..one in the same,awesome. ive always been into the metaphysical aspects of music,especially after a spontaneous death & reincarnation experience i had in 94, got heavily into backwards loops & long backwards delay passages ala(jamman)to re-create the actual feeling of soul travel. it was total therapy for me.ive since have made "metamusic" apart of my eveyday life.other like minds might want to check out ...books.. sacred sound by ted andrews...anything by terrance makenna or "earth"by barb marcininiack....peace out! vimana ps..looping is like the gateway to evolutionary - human-consiousness,(hopefully) --WebTV-Mail-977991995-815 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Message/RFC822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Received: from mailsorter-101-2.bryant.webtv.net (209.240.198.96) by postoffice-121; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 10:47:01 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from rosy.yourwebhost.com (rosy.yourwebhost.com [209.239.39.1]) by mailsorter-101-2.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.8/ms.graham.14Aug97) with ESMTP id KAA26820; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 10:46:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id NAA22817; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 13:25:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 13:25:41 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Alan Imberg" To: Subject: Re: loop religion Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 09:12:55 -0700 Message-ID: <01be82a3$d3708780$040fc0d8@default> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"dyEFQ1.0.-93.UTY3t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5067 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I concur with JMW. I consider myself a spiritual seeker and have read and practiced Buddhist techniques for reflection. In a musical context, the most serene and freeflowing experiences have been while looping. Have any of you listened to a recording of The Master Musicians of Jajouka? The repetition in their music is truly mesmerizing when listened to intently. I'm still learning about the spiritual significance of music but my limited experience has shown me that repetition has some sort of power. Alan I. -----Original Message----- From: jmw/cmu To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Friday, April 09, 1999 6:03 AM Subject: Re: loop religion >>Your kidding, but it may be true in some way, any serious observations? > >Actually, I'm not kidding. I've done a fair amount of meditation and I've >noticed very similar states of conscienceness after intense listening to >looped material, which is why I made the connection. > >In Zen ( and other buddhist traditions) the 1st practice is counting each >breath from 1 to 10 and repeating the cycle, starting from 1 again each time >your thoughts have strayed. Next you may count every other breath up to ten. >Then just focusing on each breath without counting. Most likely you will >become aware of the rhythm of your breathing & of your heartbeat. To my mind >these are all loops. > >Listening to loops for prolonged periods may promote deeper concentration >simply by virtue of the fact that by not changing (much) they allow the mind >to >settle down. Deeper concentration may lead to introspection and ultimately >you may find very deep significance in the dust particles on the floor. I >also think that drones work in the same way (maybe drones are just really >small loops). > >There have been studies of shamanistic drumming that suggest static rhythms >at certain tempos can alter brainwaves. The same has been said about the >rhythm of "rave" music. (Of course in both cases there can be lots of drug >use which also effects the brain.) > >Lest we mistake "the finger pointing at the moon for the moon" - it's not >the loops, drones, drugs or practices, those are all fingers that just aid >us in getting out of our own way. In the end "Buddha realizes Buddha" and >the eye sees itself. > >Sheesh, see what happens when I answer email before having coffee! > >peace, > >jmw > > > > > > > > > > --WebTV-Mail-977991995-815-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 9 14:47:39 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id OAA06884; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 14:47:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 14:47:39 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Sender: r_t_cummings@csi.com Message-ID: <370DF00B.2957A987@csi.com> Date: Fri, 09 Apr 1999 14:18:19 +0200 From: Cummings X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [de] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Loopable percussion (was: Tabla...) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"7TbRj.0.2_7.AEa3t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5076 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com hey matthias, i'm not a doctor, at least not in the proper sense ... :-) Matthias Grob schrieb: > > Dr. Cummings wrote: > >sounds like fun - i've been "attaching" piezos to cymbals with plumber's > >putty. they also work great on kalimbas, pieces of wood ... > > Yes, serious solutions. What is "plumber's putty", please? plumber's putty is basically a gray lumpy sticky mass - maybe we should call it playdough for profis ;-) the german word for it is "Kitt" (du kommst aus der Schweiz ja?) > > >- swallow a piezo with a vey long wire attached (don't laugh, it's been > >done) > > and then what, hit your belly? Listen to the stomac? legend has that the finnish band pan(a)sonic did this at a performance - i have no idea what it would sound like - i don't think i'll find out any time soon ... ;-) > > >be careful not to get any between the piezo-element and the drum/cymbal > >surface. the key to a non-distorted sound is to have the piezo-element > >completely flush with the vibrating surface. the other thing you may > >want to consider is a preamp circuit. > > Very correct. I usually drill a 3mm whole and glue it in to make shure the > waves pass THROUGH it. The element is blinded but as naked as possible. It > works nice on any solid material. The preamp needs to be close because so > far I could not find a flexible fine cable that is suficiantly blinded and > the cable itself transmits sound waves to the pickup. what do you mean by "blinded" - do you mean insulated (deutsch "isoliert")? do you drill a 3mm hole directly into the piezo or do you drill the hole into the object to be amplified? thanks -doctor cable- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 9 15:24:56 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id PAA14197; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 15:24:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 15:24:56 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: landman@pop.ncal.verio.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 10:37:16 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: landman@wco.com (Mark Landman) Subject: Re: electronic Cc: evening@ulster.net Resent-Message-ID: <"HEwUi2.0.qx.wTa3t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5079 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com So what do these Shruti Boxes sound like? Basically just tunable oscillators? Might be a fun adjunct to a looper's set-up if they weren't terribly expensive. Mark > >One of my friends, a bansuri player - is always appearing with new >electronic gadjets that he picks up in India - he must have at least 8 >different shruti boxes ( drone makers) and 3 or 4 electronic tabla machines >- one of them even has a tv style remote control! They're all *really* >funky/clunky. > >So I guess that some players are using electronics but I'm sure you wont see >Ravi Shankar w/ an Boomerang anytime soon. > >jmw From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 9 15:23:03 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id PAA13634; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 15:23:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 15:23:03 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <370E57DE.EC930EFB@columbia.edu> Date: Fri, 09 Apr 1999 14:41:43 -0500 From: Morgan Lang Reply-To: mhl21@columbia.edu X-Sender: "Morgan Lang" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06C-NECCK (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers Delight Subject: RE: loop religion (1) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Kd6Nd2.0.yG1.Uaa3t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5080 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com X-Originating-IP: [206.129.243.247] From: "Dan Bartell" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Loopable percussion (was: Tabla...) Date: Fri, 09 Apr 1999 11:18:52 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"6w_e92.0.kP.dJa3t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5078 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com If you would like to order the Mini Tabla at a reduced rate, send me some mail, I'm the NorthAmerican distributor for them. They work wonderfuly for looping, they are smaller in size, but due to the shell material they are actually louder than regular tablas. Juerg and I are also developing a drumhead that you can hit with a stick, so you could mount it off a drumset and have no troubles at all. Feel free to send any questions my way. -Dan From: "Dennis W. Leas" Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com To: Subject: Re: Loopable percussion (was: Tabla...) Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 09:53:40 -0500 IMHO, Tabla are one of the ultimate drums. At one point in my life I was debating selling all my other instruments (over 150) and devoting myself to the tabla. Fortunately, this temporary mania passed. Tabla are extremely versatile but I find it hard to get a good sound since they're relatively quiet. I usually use a pair of mics. Good in the studio, trouble on stage. I haven't tried a pick-up yet. After this thread, I'm definitely going to! Check-out the "mini-tablas" on http://www.tabla.com/tablahpg.html . These might work better for looping. Also, I have an udu "drum" that works really well. Lark in the Morning lists them on this page: http://www.larkinam.com/MenComNet/Business/Retail/Larknet/Africa . Mine was made by Frank Giorgini and I LOVE it. I had the opportunity to speak with Frank and can vouch for his integrity as an instrument maker. My udu has a small opening for a mic near the "snout". I use a cheap Radio Shack mic ($25.00!) and EQ the H*** out of it. I find the udu extremely expressive and a lot easier to mic than the tabla. Some useful techniques: 1) Boost the treble. Tapping the udu sounds like claves. Rubbing the udu sounds like brushes on a snare drum. 2) Boost the bass. While clapping one hand over an opening, insert your thumb into the other opening. The further into the udu you stick your thumb, the lower the pitch. 3) Increase the volume until you're on the verge of feedback. When you clap your hand over an opening, the resonance increases, obtaining controlled feedback. Vary the pitch as in technique 2. Rock out! Dennis Leas ----------------------------- dennis@mdbs.com -----Original Message----- From: Matthias Grob To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Cc: Edgar Silva Date: Thursday, April 08, 1999 4:34 PM Subject: Loopable percussion (was: Tabla...) >This thread seamed to go OT, but we are simply looking for percussion >instruments that are easy to loop (no feeback and interference problems): _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 9 15:53:31 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id PAA19995; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 15:53:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 15:53:31 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 14:19:11 -0500 (CDT) Sender: crash@waste.org From: Todd Madson To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Subharmonic Synths Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"aACqP.0.vG3.gCb3t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5082 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I've always had an octave divider in my rig - I don't always use it but it produces a great synthetic bass sound for doing loops. I'll do a low, supportive line below some of the other looping for more of a full-range loop effect. The most effective use I've seen of subharmonic synths in a band context was the 1981 Frank Zappa band, live. Scott Thunes, the bass player at the time played his Carvin basses through one and for his bass solo produced some ridiculously low and powerful single notes for certain things. I believe he used it on the piece "Envelopes" from "Ship Arriving too Late to Save a Drowning Witch". The live version I saw then was far superior to the anemic version on LP and even the version that was on "YCDTOSA". I'd love to get one. I actually have used Octave Divider on digital drums to make them sound more real and mix the effected signal at about 1/3 volume. It works - try it. The latest thing I've been playing with is the Vocoder in the Roland VS-840 workstation. But not for a conventional vocoding effect - rather I have used drum machine through vocoder, bass synth through vocoder and drone guitar through vocoder. The dynamic effects make the drums sound more alive and more rhythmic. The bass has a punchu sort of flanged effect but this is a poor description of the effect I'm getting. The most impressive effect is the drone guitar effect. For those not familiar with this, I use a guitar through multitap delays to create the swelling sound Holdsworth sometimes would get. When I vocode the result, the dynamic filtering creates a really unique sound - it's like a rhythm guitar and keyboard all in one. When I loop the result of that it produces a very unusual sound. Compressing the result of that kind of puts you in a weird space, but I won't give all my tricks away today. -Todd From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 9 16:18:55 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id QAA26684; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 16:18:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 16:18:55 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199904091936.OAA16299@mail.netdirect.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Fri, 09 Apr 1999 14:36:15 -0500 Subject: Re: Loopable percussion (was: Tabla...) From: "mister gone" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"eit_J2.0.634.2Sb3t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5086 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >> >- swallow a piezo with a vey long wire attached (don't laugh, it's been >> >done) >> >> and then what, hit your belly? Listen to the stomac? > > legend has that the finnish band pan(a)sonic did this at a performance - > i have no idea what it would sound like - i don't think i'll find out > any time soon ... ;-) is this the same band that's touring with trans am right now? if so, i may find out on the 24th... ______________________________ _________________________________ - j . e r i c s h a l l o p "you puny human gnats can be more eshallop@netdirect.net annoying than i had expected!" (saddest new kid on the block) -galactus From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 9 15:52:11 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id PAA19727; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 15:52:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 15:52:11 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: dmgraph@mail.earthlink.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199904091244.IAA13710@ulster.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 15:22:22 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: David Myers Subject: Re: electronic Resent-Message-ID: <"oKzlx1.0.QM3.fEb3t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5084 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >One of my friends, a bansuri player - is always appearing with new >electronic gadjets that he picks up in India - he must have at least 8 >different shruti boxes ( drone makers) and 3 or 4 electronic tabla machines >- one of them even has a tv style remote control! They're all *really* >funky/clunky. > >So I guess that some players are using electronics but I'm sure you wont see >Ravi Shankar w/ an Boomerang anytime soon. > >jmw Would love to hear more about these gizmos, particularly the "shruti boxes"! David Myers From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 9 15:50:28 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id PAA19187; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 15:50:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 15:50:28 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <370E5337.C89FB73D@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 09 Apr 1999 15:21:28 -0400 From: theorcolus Reply-To: theorcolus@earthlink.net Organization: 144 Music X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Digest, Zorn List" , Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Transonic Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"ehY4M1.0.OU3.EGb3t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5085 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Just a note to let you know that Transonic will be at the Cooler in NYC on Monday April 12th @ 9 PM Transonic is Charles Burnham-violin Lance Carter-drums David C Gross-6 string fretless bass/electronics Toby Kasavan-keys Elliot Levin-sax etc. Byard Lancaster-sax etc. Robert Musso-guitar We will be playing music from Musso's forthcoming CD. Thanks! David C Gross "a great musician needs to be committed!" www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Venue/7773/ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 9 16:17:02 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id QAA26331; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 16:17:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 16:17:02 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <370E61EA.B56B3122@columbia.edu> Date: Fri, 09 Apr 1999 15:24:42 -0500 From: Morgan Lang Reply-To: mhl21@columbia.edu X-Sender: "Morgan Lang" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06C-NECCK (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers Delight Subject: RE: Loop Religion (2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Dfosw2.0.eH3.qCb3t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5083 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >can anyone here point me towards these studies, or some >literature/web sites on this topic? where are these kinds of studies >typically published? psychology journals? sociology journals? This is what the LIBRARY is for, people! Come on! If you're too lazy/busy to go to the library as often as you should, like me, then use your browser to go to a university library or government site where you can hook up to the "Books in Print" database, WorldCat database, LoC, or one of several hundred specific, field-related databases. Get your citations together and then go to the 'brary. If your library doesn't have the books you want, order them. If they don't have the money to order the books, find out what your municipality is doing with your tax money. I would imagine that there is reliable info on this topic in Psychology journals--as to the "cultural" aspects of the trance/music nexus, sociology would have much less to offer than ethnomusicology. The _Journal of Ethnomusicology_ 10-year index has just gone on line at: http://www.indiana.edu/~ethmusic/index8796/index8796.html Finally, here is the CLIO citation for a book I once thought was useful on this subject. There must be better and more up-to-date stuff out there by now. Anyway, MHL. Author = Rouget, Gilbert Displaying Record: Author: Rouget, Gilbert. Uniform Title: Musique et la transe. English Title: Music and trance : a theory of the relations between music and possession Description: xix, 395 p. : ill. ; 24 cm. Published: Chicago : University of Chicago Press, 1985. LC Subjects: Music, Influence of. Music --Physiological effect. Trance. Notes: Translation of: La musique et la transe. Includes indexes. Bibliography: p. [355]-368. Discography: p. [369]-370. Filmography: p. [371]. LCCN: 85001107/MN ISN: 0226730050 0226730069 (pbk.) From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 9 16:45:33 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id QAA00737; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 16:45:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 16:45:33 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990409195017.5856.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [206.129.243.247] From: "Dan Bartell" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Asian instruments (Talvins Drums) Date: Fri, 09 Apr 1999 12:50:16 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"1JZA1.0.xp4.bfb3t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5087 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Talvin used to use these tabla made out of the same material the old Ludwig Vistalite drums were made of, they had piezos in them and he runs them through an Envintide Efx. Processor. The funny thing is now he has signed up with us to play the miniTabla. His set should get to him in about a month. There are a few other players we are trying to secure before we make our grand entrance into the wonderful world of the publics eye. From: Cummings Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Asian instruments Date: Fri, 09 Apr 1999 14:29:23 +0200 i've read about talvin singh using electronic tablas that he plays standing up. anybody have any idea what these are - wave drums or trigger pads? talvin singh also toured with bjrk after her first album - there's a bootleg around which illustrates his playing in a live context quite well. he's also played out with squarepusher recently. i also know that ansuman biswas mixes electronics with tablas and other indian percussion - is this the same guy as kingsuk biswas? -the man cable- Tim Nelson schrieb: ... snip ... > Talvin Singh had quite a bit of success a couple of > years ago with an album called Anokha: Soundz of the Asian Underground that > has some pretty cool loop-based stuff; it's a compilation featuring > musicians such as State of Bengal, A.R. Rahman, Amar, Kingsuk Biswas (he > samples and loops his tablas!), Future Soundz of India and others. _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 9 17:31:35 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id RAA10704; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 17:31:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 17:31:35 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: PJBMHB@aol.com Message-ID: <88c8e702.243fbcf7@aol.com> Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 16:28:39 EDT Subject: Re: infinite sustain - a bit off topic To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 Reply-To: PJBMHB@aol.com Resent-Message-ID: <"aJMf82.0.wG7.OEc3t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5088 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com actually, a tiny speaker is a possibility. you could use it to excite the strings. =-) PJ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 9 17:28:23 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id RAA09819; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 17:28:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 17:28:23 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: dmgraph@mail.earthlink.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 16:33:45 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: David Myers Subject: CD production Resent-Message-ID: <"9w1qp1.0.8Q7.eHc3t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5089 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Off topic once again, but a friend is considering doing a CD through Discmakers, in large part because they offer those nice Digipaks. Has anyone here had dealings with Discmakers? They sure advertise enough, but I wouldn't necessarily take that as a positive indication of anything, fer sure.... From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 9 17:47:36 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id RAA13948; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 17:47:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 17:47:36 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Alan Imberg" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: Re: loop religion (1) Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 14:09:44 -0700 Message-ID: <01be82cd$4a746080$0407c0d8@default> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"fvoVD2.0.OU1.npc3t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5091 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hasn't it always been a human trait to mimic or replicate the human experience through art? I agree that many of us could benefit from going through life paying close attention to our surroundings, viewing and listening to everything with awareness. I personally attempt to do this (I get easily distracted) in my efforts to be more spiritually thoughtful and reflective. There is a correlation between the times I'm successful at being mindful of my surroundings and the times I'm most satisfied with my musical output. I don't think there is an arrogant motive to create music that rivals nature's music. I believe there is an inner need to participate with nature and I do so by twiddling knobs and strumming chords. Boy, now I'm starting to get deep. I need to go watch ESPN! -- Alan -----Original Message----- From: Morgan Lang To: Loopers Delight Date: Friday, April 09, 1999 12:23 PM Subject: RE: loop religion (1) > >Your point is well taken. However, I must ask why, if "there is no difference >between music and environmental sounds," people continue to make "music"? >Isn't it conceited of us to think that we can make better sounds than those >that we might encounter taking a walk, for example? Is the ultimate point of >Cage and the other aleatorists (including Olivieros) to make us consider >taking a walk to be as "active" a musical activity as making a music commodity >such as a CD? > >It might be useful for us all to take a big step back (or forward) and ask why >we prefer to strum chords and twiddle knobs instead of, say, considering the >sound of our own breathing to be music. (As a former smoker, I can >conceptually get behind "musical breathing"...wheeze, gasp...). > >Anyway, > >MHL. > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 9 17:46:53 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id RAA13818; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 17:46:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 17:46:53 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <370E6D15.754B@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 09 Apr 1999 14:11:53 -0700 From: scott kungha drengsen X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-MACOS8 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: loop religion References: <582-370E4D19-1701@postoffice-123.bryant.webtv.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"WA-iG1.0.Kh.Lbc3t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5090 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com It's good to hear such varied and deep insight. I hope this adds to the discussion .. As a practitioner of Vajrayana(Tibetan) Buddhism for a number of years.(Thats where I got the funny second name) I find not only a "Zen" aspect to loop creating and listening ie; repetition, like breaths, like prostrations, like mantra...But, also, and I think a deeper simularity to Tibetan Tantric Ritual. In the Buddhist practices of Tibet the "meditater" will be ringing bells,chanting,playing drums,performing mudras,praying and visualizing, often simultaneously. It is nearly impossable to be a part of this kind of magic and maintain self conscious or self critical awareness.And of course thats one of the points of doing it...Also the Diety being meditated upon is often visualized as oneself as well as being enthroned in front of you. Just as in looping you are both the active creater and the passive listener.In both activities there is the potential for the complete merging of the two.Diety/Supplicant-Creater/Listener When my awareness expands to include sevral layers of loops(I'm now using both a Jamman and Echoplex) I'm no longer there as an individual, I'm feeling sounds,sometimes seeing them,the air around me thick with light,the music is a symbol for the ongoing vibration of the universe,and it IS the ongoing vibration of the universe.The microcosm has attuned itself to the macrocosm through an act of individuality that has lead beyond the idea of being an individual.An act of self indulgence(just ask my girlfriend)that can lead me beyond myself and bring me to questions about whether I had any choice in beginning that loop in the first place.Or any choice about being myself w/all its musical choices and apparent failures since(as the tibetans would say)beginningless time... Then again,sometimes I'm just practicing scales over changes;) I'd like to recomend the work of Jean Gebser as a fine model for understanding the modalites of different structures of consciousness.ie;why harmonic music tends to be a more"emotional" experience while modal tends to be more trance inducing and atonal effects us another way.(Although I don't know if he's caught up w/some of the people on this list.)His book is The Everpresent Origin. I remember I had lunch w/this SUFI master once who said the whole Universe from the highest nature of the Absolute on down was like a infinate echoe,giving back to us what we put out with endless ripples and returns..Sounds like LOOPING to me. Kungha From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 9 19:37:48 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id TAA09674; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 19:37:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 19:37:48 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Douglas Lawrence" To: Subject: Next! DJS-24 Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 18:51:02 -0400 Message-ID: <000501be82db$71c75490$87500218@cc1006472-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <"NgEdR2.0.5U7.oHe3t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5093 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Anybody ever see this kind of interesting gadget by Next! called the DJS-24? Seems like they are gearing towards DJ's (who isn't these days) ... "The DJS-24 features a 24-bit DSP engine which guarantees the highest sound quality. The sampling rates are selectable - 44.1 kHz (CD quality), 32 KHZ, 22.05kHz - as are the compressed/uncompressed and mono/ stereo formats. This allows the user to customize their sampler and choose their ideal balance of sound versus sampling time. It is equipped with a standard 2MB RAM which is user expendable to 4 or 8MB RAM for a maximum sampling time of 6.5 minutes. Up to 32 samples can be stored within 4 sample banks. A PC companion software is included to store and retrieve samples to and from a Windows based PC. The DJS-24 features easy non-destructive editing. Search frame by frame using the built-in jog wheel to find the right intro/ outro point. DJ oriented functions include seamless looping, pitch control (+10%/-65%), reverse play mode, and forward and reverse direction scratching with cue point memory. Jingle Machine mode: Once the button is pressed, the sample will play once until the end or until the button is pressed again to stop the sample. In this mode, the display will countdown the remaining time in tenths of a second. This gives the DJ an idea of the time left before starting the next audio source Sequencer mode: several samples can be sequenced and played back to back without interruption." The also have a cool rack mount Vocoder, Bass Synthesizer & Stereo Resonator ... http://www.tracoman.com/Next/remix.html There's also another weird looking piece of gear called the Red Sound Federation DJ BPM FX that's a Filter/LFO/Cutter/Panning device ... http://www.tracoman.com/Red%20Sound/federation.html From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 9 19:38:04 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id TAA09717; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 19:38:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 19:38:04 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199904092246.SAA30854@ulster.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Fri, 09 Apr 1999 18:14:51 -0400 Subject: Re:Shruti box From: "jmw/cmu" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"fV9Dr1.0.E77.WBe3t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5092 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >So what do these Shruti Boxes sound like? Basically just tunable >oscillators? Might be a fun adjunct to a looper's set-up if they weren't >terribly expensive. Tunable oscillators is a good description. I'd say it's a square wave-ish, 4 oscillators, with smooth decays that play in series as if you were plucking the strings of a tambura. I have no idea on the price though. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 9 21:41:53 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id VAA02847; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 21:41:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 21:41:53 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <370E4FD6.4BC4F8B6@texas.net> Date: Fri, 09 Apr 1999 19:07:06 +0000 From: Bobdog Reply-To: psbuddha@texas.net Organization: Pseudo Buddha/Doghouse Ent. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: electronic References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"a-V281.0.Sy3._Of3t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5094 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com i have had ustad aashish khan, the eldest son of the venerated ali akbar, show some interest in my fretless steel fingerboard guitar running thru effects, but we didn't have him playing w/any looping other than a tampura-esque drone that i set up for him. it was fun, he had just finished teaching an advanced class in sarod technique. while all of his students were still there he had me hook up all my stuff & he proceeded to kick ass, to quite a bit of oohing & aahing. then he hands the thing to me & says "play something, bob." jiminy. considering, i did really nicely, playing some *very slow* melodic dreamy things in contrast, as aashishda tends towards the full burn. it was a fun evening & led to the eating of great food (the ustad can cook!) & some drinking & lots of relaxing and story-telling. bobdog From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 9 21:41:26 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id VAA02781; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 21:41:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 21:41:26 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <370E6319.A305C5DB@columbus.rr.com> Date: Fri, 09 Apr 1999 20:29:14 +0000 From: Darrell Jones Reply-To: djones01@columbus.rr.com Organization: Intra Sites X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.07 (Macintosh; U; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Echoplex analog loops References: <000701be82b2$f4868a00$c7b0eccd@FRAGAR> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------8779311CDE001D29809381AB" Resent-Message-ID: <"BlLoD2.0.9H5.Glf3t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5095 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com --------------8779311CDE001D29809381AB Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://www.auctionsoup.com/ http://search.ebay.com/cgi-bin/texis/ebay/results.html?query=echoplex&maxRecordsReturned=300&maxRecordsPerPage=50&SortProperty=MetaEndSort Frank Antonucci wrote: > hello,can you please email me any information on any anolog Echoplex > units available --------------8779311CDE001D29809381AB Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://www.auctionsoup.com/
 

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Frank Antonucci wrote:

 hello,can you please email me any information on any anolog Echoplex units available
--------------8779311CDE001D29809381AB-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 9 21:48:45 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id VAA04685; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 21:48:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 21:48:45 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <370E5F1F.F99B7F72@texas.net> Date: Fri, 09 Apr 1999 20:12:30 +0000 From: Bobdog Reply-To: psbuddha@texas.net Organization: Pseudo Buddha/Doghouse Ent. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: subharmonic synthesisers References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"gdKX8.0.pH7.8Mg3t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5098 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com i have a dbx 120x in my studio. lookout, it'll blow speakers if'n you don't watch it. i sold one to a friend & he has just about become bill laswell. i'm trying to get my bass player to start using mine live; we haven't blown any of our speakers in weeks. bobdog From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 9 21:45:49 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id VAA04091; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 21:45:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 21:45:49 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <370E5E0E.74F854D3@texas.net> Date: Fri, 09 Apr 1999 20:07:57 +0000 From: Bobdog Reply-To: psbuddha@texas.net Organization: Pseudo Buddha/Doghouse Ent. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Shruti box References: <199904092246.SAA30854@ulster.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"38mIB.0.h57.uHg3t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5097 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com call bruce or ben at the aki akbar college of music 1-800-74-tabla they have lots to choose from usually, from cheesy oscillators to realistic tunable sample oriented units. bobdog From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 9 21:50:33 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id VAA05121; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 21:50:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 21:50:33 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <370E589D.BB40D172@texas.net> Date: Fri, 09 Apr 1999 19:44:40 +0000 From: Bobdog Reply-To: psbuddha@texas.net Organization: Pseudo Buddha/Doghouse Ent. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: loop religion References: <01be82a3$d3708780$040fc0d8@default> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"z2mmi3.0.h46.Cyf3t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5096 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > Have any of you > listened to a recording of The Master Musicians of Jajouka? my sax player just gave me this; i recommend it *very* highly. bobdog From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Apr 10 00:10:58 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id AAA25938; Sat, 10 Apr 1999 00:10:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 00:10:58 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <014401be8307$274cb1e0$5596adce@satellite> Reply-To: "Tom Lambrecht" From: "Tom Lambrecht" To: Subject: Re: loop religion Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 23:03:54 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"_yKjd2.0.Se5.8hi3t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5099 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hey, the time is Gnawa ;) you're referring to the Brian Jones produced (and over-processed disc--tho' it's still a wild ride) or the new one that (I think) Bill Laswell produced? also check "Gnawa Music of Marrakesh-Night Spirit Masters" on Laswell's Axiom label--my fave drone on~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Tom Lambrecht hideo@concentric.net -----Original Message----- From: Bobdog To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Friday, April 09, 1999 9:08 PM Subject: Re: loop religion > > >> Have any of you >> listened to a recording of The Master Musicians of Jajouka? > >my sax player just gave me this; i recommend it *very* highly. > >bobdog > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Apr 10 00:33:49 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id AAA00866; Sat, 10 Apr 1999 00:33:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 00:33:49 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <018301be830a$7ddd0160$5596adce@satellite> Reply-To: "Tom Lambrecht" From: "Tom Lambrecht" To: Subject: Re: Re:Shruti box Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 23:27:44 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"1RAfk1.0.CX6.Y1j3t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5100 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com -----Original Message----- From: jmw/cmu To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Friday, April 09, 1999 7:17 PM Subject: Re:Shruti box >>So what do these Shruti Boxes sound like? Basically just tunable >>oscillators? Might be a fun adjunct to a looper's set-up if they weren't >>terribly expensive. > > >Tunable oscillators is a good description. I'd say it's a square wave-ish, 4 >oscillators, with smooth decays that play in series as if you were plucking >the strings of a tambura. I have no idea on the price though. > > > hmmm .. . wonder if a Korg MonoPoly could emulate one of these--they sound fascinating drone on~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Tom From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Apr 10 00:33:58 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id AAA00939; Sat, 10 Apr 1999 00:33:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 00:33:58 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <001e01be8308$c85f0500$f399fea9@sgoodman> Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: Subject: Re: CD production Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 21:15:33 -0700 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Resent-Message-ID: <"pTwFc1.0.Ze6.03j3t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5101 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com When I last investigated the people who will eventually Make My CD I asked a lot of folks about DiscMakers, and I didn't get one dissenting opinion from over 10 responses. I decided to go with them because of that, although I haven't yet. But that's because of other circumstances. ----- Original Message ----- From: David Myers To: Sent: Friday, April 09, 1999 2:33 PM Subject: CD production > Off topic once again, but a friend is considering doing a CD through > Discmakers, in large part because they offer those nice Digipaks. Has > anyone here had dealings with Discmakers? They sure advertise enough, but > I wouldn't necessarily take that as a positive indication of anything, fer > sure.... > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Apr 10 03:01:53 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id DAA02812; Sat, 10 Apr 1999 03:01:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 03:01:53 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199904100640.CAA08934@shell.monmouth.com> Reply-To: From: "andre" To: Subject: Kramer Looping Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 02:38:23 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"EiXpm2.0.sm7.tAl3t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5102 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com no, this is not a post re: kramer guitars.. but Kramer ON guitars!! Nice boomerang usage tonight at the knit/nyc- saw Kramer (bongwater, shockabilly) and Daevid Allen (of Gong, soft machine etc)... acoustic strumming, bass vocals and loopage by K Lotsa cool loops with the acoustic-as-bass.. great use of the boom erang to slowly change the loop content.. glissando guitar & vocs by Daevid (divided alien) a buncha cool 'songs' - plus a whole mess of weird outer space jams, with lotsa kramer-loops!! cool - they'll be back there soon - also - GONG will be at the knit - may 26?27? andre' From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Apr 10 04:16:56 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id EAA11369; Sat, 10 Apr 1999 04:16:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 04:16:56 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199904100758.DAA13167@shell.monmouth.com> Reply-To: From: "andre" To: Subject: Re: loop religion (1) Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 03:56:24 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"9PWjM2.0.FJ2._Jm3t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5103 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com thank god, thru this list, i have found very many of the other crazy people andre From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Apr 10 04:51:17 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id EAA14401; Sat, 10 Apr 1999 04:51:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 04:51:17 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Javier Miranda V." To: Subject: RE: electronic Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 01:43:19 -0700 Message-ID: <000201be832e$2f5cd5a0$e8c7efd1@electra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: <"VrdAf3.0.UN3.D-m3t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5104 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I just learned tonight that a nice "shruti" costs about $700, $800 in Berkeley, Calif. I forgot the name she called it. A friend also travels to India on seminars and finances her trips by bringing these giant and other beautiful looping instruments. I saw two of them together in action. The droning comes in part because the giant strings vibrate against the bridge which curves down into the hole of the instrument, if I may call it that. The bridge is not sharp like a guitar's, but flat and curved. The vibration is not unlike a fretless bass or guitar, or a National steel guitar, except that it's really amplified somehow acoustically. The harder you pluck the more it vibrates. I think the strings are tuned alike or in fifths, and all you do is pluck each in turn and incessantly. The result is totally amazing, especially when you're in the room and you get the room reverberations. Gizmo is not a kind word for it. I felt I was in the presence of a very old and wise instrument, something that, like the current conversation on Loop Religion is reminding us, resonates with something deeply spiritual in us, something that transcends culture and other trappings... I saw them tonight at a class with Terry Riley of all people. But more on this on Sunday or Monday. I'm busy with this now. -----Original Message----- From: David Myers [mailto:dmgraph@pulsewidth.com] Sent: Friday 09 April 1999 1:22 PM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: electronic >One of my friends, a bansuri player - is always appearing with new >electronic gadjets that he picks up in India - he must have at least 8 >different shruti boxes ( drone makers) and 3 or 4 electronic tabla machines >- one of them even has a tv style remote control! They're all *really* >funky/clunky. > >So I guess that some players are using electronics but I'm sure you wont see >Ravi Shankar w/ an Boomerang anytime soon. > >jmw Would love to hear more about these gizmos, particularly the "shruti boxes"! David Myers From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Apr 10 09:01:54 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id JAA08283; Sat, 10 Apr 1999 09:01:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 09:01:54 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990410084633.0079c7f0@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 08:46:33 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: RE: Shruti Fruity, oh Rudy... In-Reply-To: <000001be5dce$62d45000$87500218@cc1006472-a.ewndsr1.nj.home .com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"T-Yzj.0.-U1.6Tq3t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5105 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com There seems to be some confusion about the shruti boxes; there are traditional, acoustic ones (which range drastically in quality and price) and there are electronic ones. There are also shruti cassettes! I'm pretty sure the word "shruti" literally just means "drone", so in a musical sense, we could be talking about a tamboura or a harmonium as well as a shruti box. Here are a few links with pictures and info: Bear in mind that the sites these'll link you to which happen to be retailers may or may not have good prices or service; I haven't done business with any of them, and haven't done an exhaustive shruti price comparison analysis! They just happened to have pictures of the things on their websites I thought some of you would like to look at! (Electronic tablas and tambouras, too!) If any of these links don't work (I'm not a typist!), just try a meta-search engine (I used Dogpile) on the word "shruti". Tim From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Apr 10 09:28:25 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id JAA11460; Sat, 10 Apr 1999 09:28:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 09:28:25 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <370F098F.C61D5E21@texas.net> Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 08:19:29 +0000 From: Bobdog Reply-To: psbuddha@texas.net Organization: Pseudo Buddha/Doghouse Ent. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: electronic References: <000201be832e$2f5cd5a0$e8c7efd1@electra> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"JOwMH.0.5d2.M0r3t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5106 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com hi javier - the instruments you saw in your class are called tampuras, not shrutis. aren't they wonderful ? they're usually tuned 5th, upper octave root, upper octave root, lower octave root; the ones w/more strings will often times have the extra strings tuned to notes which are more important to the melody of the raag. with 2 used in conjunction, the sky's the limit to tuning possibilities what we are calling a shruti (short for shruti box; "shruti" actually means "note") is an electronic device with 4 to 6 tunable oscillators which is used to approximate the effect of the tampura drone. it's kinda lame, but passable. there are also more organic shrutis which use a harmonium style double bellows to push air through a series of reeds which can be switched to get different notes to drone. they don't sound anywhere as ethereal as the tampura, but the undulating breathing quality can me somewhat meditative; i try to match my breathing to the pace of the shruti then slow the tempo as much as possible. nice. see you soon, bobdog From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Apr 10 10:16:57 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id KAA17450; Sat, 10 Apr 1999 10:16:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 10:16:57 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <004101be8359$f9cc5b00$aa98adce@satellite> Reply-To: "Tom Lambrecht" From: "Tom Lambrecht" To: Subject: Re: electronic Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 08:56:46 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"y17G31.0.SL3._Mr3t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5107 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com javier: think what you saw was a tambura . . . the stringed equivalent of the shruti, in that it is a constant, droning preesence in Indian music--fthe shruti like the harmonium has reeds (acoustic) or oscillators . . . i saw three-tone reed and electronic boxes on the web for $150-- drone on~~~~~~~~~~ Tom Lambrecht hideo@concentric.net gee, hope all this shruti demand dosen't mean they'll be going for $500 on eBay -----Original Message----- From: Javier Miranda V. To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Saturday, April 10, 1999 4:18 AM Subject: RE: electronic >I just learned tonight that a nice "shruti" costs about $700, $800 in >Berkeley, Calif. I forgot the name she called it. A friend also travels to >India on seminars and finances her trips by bringing these giant and other >beautiful looping instruments. I saw two of them together in action. The >droning comes in part because the giant strings vibrate against the bridge >which curves down into the hole of the instrument, if I may call it that. >The bridge is not sharp like a guitar's, but flat and curved. The vibration >is not unlike a fretless bass or guitar, or a National steel guitar, except >that it's really amplified somehow acoustically. The harder you pluck the >more it vibrates. I think the strings are tuned alike or in fifths, and all >you do is pluck each in turn and incessantlySNIP From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Apr 10 11:04:12 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id LAA24085; Sat, 10 Apr 1999 11:00:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 11:00:54 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 10:28:55 -0400 (EDT) From: Adam Levin X-Sender: alevin@red To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Kramer Looping In-Reply-To: <199904100640.CAA08934@shell.monmouth.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"hSSnl.0.rl4.n1s3t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5108 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com On Sat, 10 Apr 1999, andre wrote: > no, this is not a post re: kramer guitars.. but Kramer ON guitars!! > > Nice boomerang usage tonight at the knit/nyc- saw Kramer (bongwater, > shockabilly) and Daevid Allen (of Gong, soft machine etc)... > > acoustic strumming, bass vocals and loopage by K > Lotsa cool loops with the acoustic-as-bass.. great use of the boom erang to > slowly change the loop content.. > > glissando guitar & vocs by Daevid (divided alien) > > a buncha cool 'songs' - plus a whole mess of weird outer space jams, with > lotsa kramer-loops!! cool - they'll be back there soon They're here at Orion in Baltimore tonight with fellow LD listemembers Fingerpaint opening the show. See http://www.progrock.net/shows/showcase/ for more info. -Adam --- "...if one strives at hearing for the sake of constant virtue, out of seeking liberation from cyclic existence, gradually one becomes a Hearer." - Chandrakirti T h e D a r k A e t h e r P r o j e c t http://www.darkaether.net/ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Apr 10 12:16:16 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id MAA04716; Sat, 10 Apr 1999 12:16:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 12:16:16 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <2.2.32.19990410154316.006e4730@mail.dada.it> X-Sender: cavallo@mail.dada.it X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 17:43:16 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Leo Cavallo Subject: new MP3 Resent-Message-ID: <"mudFo3.0.VU7.68t3t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5109 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi all I've just uploaded my remix of a friend's little bossanova song. Check it out on ftp.teklab.com/teklab/incoming. The file is LeoCavalloREMIX.zip (including the mp3 and a txt). This is just a rough mix, but maybe you can get my actual concept of "looping" ;), in the drum & bass style, using a sampler, a computer and some software. let me know ciao leo From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Apr 10 12:49:31 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id MAA11952; Sat, 10 Apr 1999 12:49:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 12:49:31 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: tcn62@ici.net Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 09:37:35 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199904101637.JAA13857@skink.ebay.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Subject: Interesting item on eBay web site item#88571285: Shruti Box,Toning Instrument-India!Brand New! X-Mailer: Resent-Message-ID: <"XWG-k2.0.5I2.Twt3t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5110 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Shruti box on ebay; let the bidding war begin! Title of item: Shruti Box,Toning Instrument-India!Brand New! Seller: constance@oworlds.com Starts: 04/08/99 12:34:10 PDT Ends: 04/15/99 12:34:10 PDT Price: Starts at $139.00 To bid on the item, go to: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=88571285 Item Description: Shruti Box from India. This unusual instrument uses a bellows and slide bars to "hum" various tones and chords. This one has 4 tones with 3 variations of each tone. You may set any number of the bars open from 1 to 12 to create different variations of tone. Great for accompanying chord sounds and for meditation/toning workshops! I also carry 2 other styles of shruti box, one is shown below. It has 4 knobs with 3 settings for each. Belllows expand from both sides. This one seems to have a louder, longer lasting tone. I also carry harmoniums. Size is 13" by 3". Call us to hear the sounds from 11am - 7 pm EST Tues-Sat at 1-888-worlds0 (that's a zero at the end). Enter your Visa,MC,Discover, or Amex safely at our secured website at http://www.oworlds.com, or call us, and we can ship the next day. Money orders ship as soon as recieved, personal checks must be held for 10 business days to clear before shipping. Florida residents add 6% sales tax. Buyer pays actual shipping cost by RPS. Check our other auctions for more "Other-Worldly" items! Visit eBay, the world's largest Personal Trading Community at http://www.ebay.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Apr 10 14:05:06 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id OAA25378; Sat, 10 Apr 1999 14:05:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 14:05:06 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <004201be837a$ae34d7a0$e2944e0c@u73x0> From: "James Pokorny" To: Subject: Re: Indian music/"shruti"/tamboura/harmonium/etc. Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 13:50:52 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"_WpGN2.0.Cf5.kzu3t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5112 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sorry I didn't get to respond until today. Looks like other list members gave some good links for these items. I'll add a few, as well as make some general comments on the different instruments, both acoustic and electronic. A few more places to look: The House of Musical Traditions http://www.hmtrad.com/ Mid East Manufacturing http://www.mid-east.com/ Radel Systems http://www.ttce.org/radel/ The term "shruti" comes from Sanskrit where it literally means "that which is revealed" or "that which is heard." In common practice it has many different meanings. It can mean "drone background," "tonic note," but is most frequently used to describe the microtones used in Indian music (the notes "between the cracks" of the piano keys). Harmonium: these are small, hand pumped "organs" which have an accordian-like sound, very rich in harmonics, almost like a keyboard harmonica. They're played by pumping a bellows with one hand while the other plays the keyboard. Most have several stops to change the timbre; some even have "drone" stops. They are generally tuned to the western "equal temperment" (like a piano). Sometimes individual players will adapt the reeds for microtonal tunings according to the Indian system, but to do justice to this you'd probably need to have a different harmonium for every raga! But almost any harmonium that you'd purchase would be tuned (more or less) to the western standard. This is still a cause for raging debates in Indian classical music circles, since the harmonium cannot duplicate the microtonal inflections that are essential to the music. Don't be confused by the term "scale-changer" used in regard to a harmonium. This does NOT alter the tuning or temperment, it's actually more like a "keyboard capo." Since most players accompany vocalists they wind up playing either around a C# (for male singers) or F# (for female vocalists). Some players learn only one fingering (usually the C#), so this "scale changer" makes it easy to use the same fingering for playing in a different key (i.e., playing the keys for C#, while sounding F#). Shruti box: The acoustic version is also a small hand-pumped, bellows-driven instrument about the size of a standard hardback dictionary [some of us old-timers still remember those;) ]. These have reeds for only about three or four notes, so that by combinig them you can tune the drone to tonic/fifth or tonic/fourth in one or two keys. They're mainly used to give an additional background drone to wind or bowed instruments, often used in combination with the stringed tanpura. (I've even seen the fantastic bansuri player Steve Gorn pump one with his foot throughout entire concerts!) Unless you're restricting yourself to the one or two keys available, a tuneable electronic "shruti box" would probably be a better buy. Tanpura (also spelled tamboura, tambura, tamboora, etc.) is a stringed drone instrument used in all Indian classical music. There's a slight difference between the North Indian "tanpura" which has a gourd resonator (and is consequently very fragile) and the South Indian "tamboura" which uses a much sturdier carved wooden resonator. The standard instrument has four strings tuned Fifth (or Fourth), Tonic, Tonic, lower octave Tonic. Some modern instruments have five or six strings, in which case these either double existing strings or are tuned to other important notes in the raga (e.g., Third, Sixth, Seventh). The bridge on a tanpura (and on sitar and some other instruments) is about an inch deep and has a slight curve called "jawari" which causes the string to vibrate against the edge of the bridge, giving that wonderful metallic twang characteristic of Indian instruments. A special feature of the tanpura is a small thread is inserted between the string and the bridge. When the thread is pulled into just the right position the string is further pressed against the bridge, releasing numerous overtones (think BUZZING) as well as giving it a greatly increased sustain. The neck of the instrument is hollow, making it in essence a secondary resonating chamber. All in all the tanpura is an incredible and versatile instrument, even if it plays only one or two notes. You'll see them listed as being "male," "female," and "instrumental." The "male" tanpura is large (about 4and1/2 feet long) and tuned in the general range of C#. (A tanpura really sounds good only within a very limited note range) The "female" tanpura is somewhat smaller and is tuned around an F#. The instrumental tanpura is somewhat more versatile. It's generally made with a wooden flatback resonator (nice and sturdy, easily carried) and is pitched an octave above the usual tanpura range (although a recent trend is to put wound guitar strings on for a lower register). Depending on the gauge of string used it can be tuned to almost any tonic pitch. Electronic tanpura: Imitates the sound of each string being plucked. Can usually be tuned by sliders or knobs for pitch of each "string" as well as volume, etc. More versatile than an acoustic "shruti box" since the pitch is not predetermined or fixed to a specific interval. These have become increasingly popular and many styles are available. Electronic shruti box: Instead of a "plucked string" sound this generally gives only a long sustained single tone (sometimes a fourth or fifth may be added). This can easily be imitated by any electronic keyboard, so for looping, I would think the electronic shruti box is a real "Johnny One-Note." Electronic tabla: Doesn't even come close to approximating the rich tonal range of real tabla. In fact the sound is more like some tinny plinks and thuds. This is really used more as a practice tool, since it only plays the "theka" (basic rhythm pattern) of a variety of taals (rhythm cycles). In a sense, a "theka" is nothing more than a rhythm loop which provides the basic "time" while a soloist improvises. Electronic tabla could never match the grace and versatility of a live tabla player. In India it's common to hire a tabla player to come over for a practice session. But this serves as a good substitute when no one's available. Once again though, for looping I would find this prohibitively expensive when a good drum machine is probably much cheaper, more easily available, and more versatile. As far as cost, these instruments all tend to be on the expensive side. They're all much more readily available than when I began learning Indian music, but they do cost a lot. If anyone you know is going to India, it's almost always better to have someone try to find something there than to pay at least 10 times the cost here in the States or in Europe. I apologize in advance for going on at length. I also don't want to steer the looping talk exclusively to my interest in Indian music. If anyone would like more information (such as instrument makers in India, etc.) please contact me off-list. James -----Original Message----- From: Sanford I. Forte To: j.pokorny@worldnet.att.net Date: Saturday, April 10, 1999 2:41 AM Subject: Indian music >Hi James, > >I saw your response to Mattius Brob on the looping list; I have some questions. > >First, where would be a good place to buy a relatively good quality >electronic tanpura; also, an electronic tabla. What should one expect to >pay for these instruments. > >One more thing. I'm looking for either a shruti box or a harmonium to help >train my untrained voice and ear to just-intoned scales. I was told that >it's possible to use a shruti box for this and some harmoniums. Can you >help yo steer me in the direction of what I'm looking for and where to >buy/see some of this stuff. > >btw, I live about an hour from the Ali Akbar school of music and I know >they have some of these things, but they sound kind of pricey. > >Anyway, help/advice would be appreciated. > >Thanks, >Sanford > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Apr 10 13:52:22 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id NAA23564; Sat, 10 Apr 1999 13:52:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 13:52:22 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990410173312.7022.rocketmail@web117.yahoomail.com> Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 10:33:12 -0700 (PDT) From: dan sumner Subject: Re: new MP3 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"2Yu342.0.B65.Cku3t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5111 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Leo, Can you please tell me what software you use to convert wav to mpeg. I can't seem to make it happen. Dan --- Leo Cavallo wrote: > > Hi all > > I've just uploaded my remix of a friend's little > bossanova song. > Check it out on ftp.teklab.com/teklab/incoming. The > file is > LeoCavalloREMIX.zip (including the mp3 and a txt). > This is just a rough mix, but maybe you can get my > actual concept of > "looping" ;), in the drum & bass style, using a > sampler, a computer and some > software. > > let me know > ciao > leo > > _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Apr 10 14:40:06 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id OAA30499; Sat, 10 Apr 1999 14:40:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 14:40:06 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Douglas Lawrence" To: Subject: File Conversions and MPEG Tools Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 14:17:05 -0400 Message-ID: <000101be837e$56770070$87500218@cc1006472-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 In-Reply-To: <19990410173312.7022.rocketmail@web117.yahoomail.com> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <"ZDtcf.0.De6.yMv3t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5113 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >> Can you please tell me what software you use to convert wav to mpeg. Check out CoolEdit at http://www.syntrillium.com. It supports MPG encoding. Another great file format converter is AWave which supports a huge list of import and export formats ... http://hem.passagen.se/fmj/fmjsoft.html Also check out http://www.mp3.com/software/ for a bunch of MPG tools. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Apr 10 15:11:20 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id PAA03280; Sat, 10 Apr 1999 15:11:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 15:11:20 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <01BE834A.9E068AC0.crlwind@grin.net> From: James Potter Reply-To: "crlwind@grin.net" To: "'jmw/cmu'" , "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Shruti box Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 12:06:47 -0700 Organization: Crawling Wind Records X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"sw6ep2.0.Xb.Q4w3t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5115 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Clarion Music in Chinatown SF has one for $125 I think. On Friday, April 09, 1999 3:15 PM, jmw/cmu [SMTP:evening@ulster.net] wrote: > >So what do these Shruti Boxes sound like? Basically just tunable > >oscillators? Might be a fun adjunct to a looper's set-up if they weren't > >terribly expensive. > > > Tunable oscillators is a good description. I'd say it's a square wave-ish, 4 > oscillators, with smooth decays that play in series as if you were plucking > the strings of a tambura. I have no idea on the price though. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Apr 10 15:07:40 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id PAA02772; Sat, 10 Apr 1999 15:07:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 15:07:40 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: ENAT21213@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 15:01:53 EDT Subject: Re: micro synth and loop de loop To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 Reply-To: ENAT21213@aol.com Resent-Message-ID: <"QIawh.0.-V.-1w3t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5114 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com we looped the micro synth quite a lot on our new cd check out our site (sound files etc.) at: http://members.aol.com/ebnoise/index.html tracks with lots of micro synth: number four japanese toy song holdin back the tears our site has only half the album up in real audio........the remaining cd has even more micro synth. brian electric bird noise From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Apr 10 15:51:50 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id PAA09939; Sat, 10 Apr 1999 15:51:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 15:51:50 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Alan Imberg" To: Subject: Re: loop religion Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 12:31:13 -0700 Message-ID: <01be8388$b1da0980$LocalHost@default> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"37R903.0.Ph1.3Uw3t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5116 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I have the Bill Laswell-produced one. Awesome. -----Original Message----- From: Tom Lambrecht To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Friday, April 09, 1999 9:10 PM Subject: Re: loop religion >Hey, the time is Gnawa ;) > >you're referring to the Brian Jones produced (and over-processed disc--tho' >it's still a wild ride) or the new one that (I think) Bill Laswell produced? > >also check "Gnawa Music of Marrakesh-Night Spirit Masters" on Laswell's >Axiom label--my fave > >drone on~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > >Tom Lambrecht >hideo@concentric.net >-----Original Message----- >From: Bobdog >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Date: Friday, April 09, 1999 9:08 PM >Subject: Re: loop religion > > >> >> >>> Have any of you >>> listened to a recording of The Master Musicians of Jajouka? >> >>my sax player just gave me this; i recommend it *very* highly. >> >>bobdog >> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Apr 10 19:26:23 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id TAA08653; Sat, 10 Apr 1999 19:26:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 19:26:23 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Douglas Lawrence" To: Subject: Updated Lovetone Information Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 19:07:51 -0400 Message-ID: <000401be83a6$f5dc7c30$87500218@cc1006472-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <"6iflL1.0.0V1.bdz3t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5122 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I had remembered a while back some interest in Lovetone pedals on the list. FYI, I got this e-mail from one of the folks at Lovetone, who are definitely not out-of-business. It's interesting to see that they still make the Wobulator (I had heard they weren't anymore) and now make a Ring Modulator! Check out the info below from Lovetone themselves ... PLEASE NOTE: The Website is slightly out of date - this is the latest info and includes the Wobulator and the new Cheese Source (Big Cheese/Brown Source combi) pedal: LOVETONE GENERAL... Lovetone is based in England making an exciting range of analogue effects inspired by the classic sounds of the 60's and 70's but designed for now. We are not "retro" and even though our fx are developed to sound coherent with the finest vintage gear, they are all totally compatible with modern set-ups and can actually breathe new life into them. Our pedals are extremely versatile with highly interactive controls and while each has echoes of many legendary sounds, they transcend accepted norms to open up cosmic new possibilities....man! The idea that funky invariably means old, noisy and unreliable is hopefully a thing of the past (ha, ha). Lovetone pedals are hand-built using all metal construction and the highest quality close-tolerance components selected for maximum sonic integrity, reliability and virtually noiseless performance. True to this philosophy all four fx have negligible loading of the straight signal in by-pass. Our aim is to incorporate the best of vintage and new technology, and be the bridesmaid at the marriage of art and science. Our sounds have attracted great support from many top musicians, engineers, bands and producers covering a huge span of musical genres as well as many bedroom stars of the future. They are eminently suitable for all manner of signal processing applications from the not-so-humble stomp box to outboard studio use. The pedals work together extremely effectively as well as interfacing powerfully with existing equipment. All Lovetone pedals can be used either with a 9V battery or a standard 3.5mm jack 9V (or 12V) D.C. tip positive power supply. Also for blissfully easy battery access they feature a flip up control panel with not a screw in sight. THE PEDALS... NEW PEDAL ALERT! Its ringy - its stingy - it'll blow your pants off!! You wanted excess, you wanted weirdness of unimaginable proportions! As it happens, we've been wanting to make this one for some time. It represents a whole new level of interactive complexity (as well as a whole new can of worms) and we can say with that ring of confidence that never has so much mayhem potential been crammed by so few into so little. But be warned, if you've been bemused, befuddled and bamboozled by our previous creations then this is not the pedal for you! So here it is at last, defying all known boundaries of taste and decency - bells with balls (but definitely not the belle at the ball) - the big, fat, smokin', trouser-defying Ring Stinger ring modulator/fuzz octave doubler/repeater/dirt box/optical synth CLASSIC TRANSFORMER MATRIX MODULATOR (NOT THE UBIQUITOUS MODULATOR CHIP) FOR THAT DISTINCTIVE VINTAGE RING MOD SOUND & 60'S GERMANIUM DISTORTION klangs, bells, metallic fx, pseudo vocoder fx, dalek noises, sci-fi atmospherics, spooky warbling, trem arpeggios, tonal toggling, touch sensitive keying, pitch crossfiring, microtonal + atonal fx, evolving drones, digeridoo fx and not least the meanest graunchiest octave fuzz ever - and these are just for starters! Amazing on guitar, bass, keys, synths, drums, studio applications - anything at all in fact! Stunning in conjunction with the other pedals - especially in the Meatball loop! Featuring: * sine/triangle/sawtooth/square VCO with range down to LFO frequencies for repeater/gate fx * CV/external pedal input for VCO frequency * VCO insert point (VCO output available for creating unique synth noises - spooky!) * triangle/square wide-range LFO to modulate VCO frequency or VCO pulse width or octave drive! (goes up to audio frequencies for FM FX) * LFO depth control - don't knock it till you've heard it! * external pedal input for LFO amount - nice! * footswitch for LFO enable (handy - or is it footy?) * timbre control * blend contol (great for retaining bottom end on bass sounds - octave mode gives fat, edgy germanium distortion but with added bass!) * footswitch for ring mod/octave * light sensitive jack adaptor for Theremin-like fx or random ambience modulation (can also be used on Meatball, Doppelganger and Wobulator instead of passive volume pedal!) * Bypass footswitch We are currently offering the Ring Stinger at the amazing pre-order price of 259 (approx $427) + carriage. Deliveries are due in June/July '99. Orders will be on a strictly first-come first-served basis (with full payment up-front) and the usual money-back guarantee applies. MEATBALL The Meatball is an amazing new envelope follower/triggered filter - the funky blue alternative to a high fibre diet that has put a smile on a lot of faces! Because of the large number of controls, and because changing the position of any one affects the way in which the others will interact, this offers a truly vast array of sound possibilities (from the sublest effects to frightening untamed excesses!) and means that the Meatball can be "tuned in" to dance the most intimate tango without treading on your toes or just wave its arms in the air and let it all hang out. (The filter frequencies can also be tuned precisely to allow laser guided goosing of high gain distortion). While the Meatball is capable of the most gratuitous "auto-wah" funk abuse and visits the promised land of Bootsy "You won't need any spaghetti with this Meatball it's real phat" for fun, this represents but a mere fraction of its potential which includes totally unique new sounds. The large frequency and dynamic range makes it equally suitable for bass, guitar, keyboards/synths, samplers and general studio use - in fact any audio signal whether a single sound source or programme material. By treating simple waveforms it can become an analogue synth in its own right, or it can be used as an aural exciter to add sparkle and depth particularly to lifeless samples. The external trigger facility enables the filter to be triggered by a completely separate audio source which can be another instrument, pulse or click or even touching a lead connected to the input! A great way to exploit this is to use one aux send on your mixer for the sound source and another one for the trigger so you can literally trigger anything with anything which as you can imagine can give rise to some pretty freaky effects. Featuring: Sensitivity control. Attack and Decay controls. Range control (which doesn't affect the triggering) and can be used to fine-tune the frequency response and create subtle effects. Resonance control. Blend which mixes straight signal with effect creating a whole new palette of sounds. Pedal facility which allows the use of a standard passive volume pedal to create wah-type effects. FX loop - insert octaves and distortion for some real 70's cheese, or use for external trigger facility. Up and Down response curves. High, Low, and Band-pass filter modes. Four selectable filter frequency ranges. Triggering off full or half bandwidth and trigger off - useful for instance as a static tone control or for adding or scooping tone with blend. LED showing filter response. LED showing effect on/off. DOPPELGANGER The Doppelganger is a twin oscillator phaser/vibrato but being in the grand Lovetone tradition it offers a whole range of classic uses never previously available in one unit, as well as many new sounds. Its trademark is an unparalleled purity and transparency of tone and harmonic richness making it a real texture machine. The subtle yet ever-changing way the controls interact has a truly mesmerising effect which speaks directly to the sub-conscious mind (as well as the stoned mind!). It covers the whole spectrum from mellow and virtually subliminal, to Hendrix-y, to crunchy and chomping (reminiscent of the ubiquitous 70's phase sound), to swirling rotary-type fx. On more subtle settings (especially in vibrato mode) it gives movement and life to the sound without discernible processing and because it sounds so natural you can almost forget its there - until you switch it off! In less introvert moments it can warp sounds into multi-dimensional knots or whip up squeals and harmonics into a sci-fi frenzy. It never manages to sound sickly on any setting, and in fact makes an ideal replacement for all the sounds contained in the thesaurus of chorus as it provides plenty of width and attack definition but without the nauseating side effects. Vibrato mode has a very vibraphone-like modulation and is great for moody jazzers. It is also useful for creating spacial 3D stereo effects by panning the output opposite a straight feed off a mixer. As well as guitar and bass, the Doppelganger can of course be used on any instrument and works particularly well with classic keyboard sounds. Featuring: Two LFO's with Pedal facility for each. Span (depth) controls for low and high frequencies (which can either be driven individually by two LFO's or together by LFO 1). LED's showing filter status. Colour (resonance) control. Blend control. LFO 1/Dual LFO mode foot switch. Phase/Vibrato foot switch. True and Spectral (filtered) bypass modes. BROWN SOURCE *(see "CHEESE SOURCE" below) The Brown Source is pure overdrive and, as its name suggests, an instant flash-back to that dynamic, singing, BIG late 60's / early 70's brown sound that is associated with countless classic records spanning the whole musical spectrum. It offers unparalleled purity and touch sensitivity and an uncannily warm "valvey" grunt with the absence of the unnatural fizz associated with most overdrive pedals. There is also a very tangible sense of electricity (remember that!?) as it piles on the pylon factor. It responds extremely well to filter changes (producing a throaty "voice box" type distortion) and consequently works an absolute treat with a wah in front - and will make any new guitar sound 30 years older! Because of its large image size irrespective of volume, and natural communicative response it makes an ideal recording tool or "desert island" companion. Three classic ways to use the Brown Source with a guitar are for snap crackle and "pop" into a clean amp, dripping fat into a cooking amp and controlled feedback with singing harmonics into a driven amp. In the studio it can perform amazing transformations on the most unlikely time travellers, or blended in with the straight signal it can be used to add a touch of dirt to those unfashionable clean cut sounds! BIG CHEESE *(see "CHEESE SOURCE" below) The Big Cheese is a loving homage to the nasty, buzzy yet gorgeous and harmonically rich early fuzz. While having many of the classic characteristics that every fuzz fan will relate to it goes beyond to create an absolutely distinct character of its own. Its innovative and interactive controls can take it from almost "gated" break-up to overkill of shred proportions. Far from being just a guitar pedal however the Cheese is eminently useful for seeing to any sound with the temerity to be naff or boring (with particularly amusing consequences in the lower regions). To lovers of that extraordinary spectacle known to some as "furrrzze bass!" it offers terminally thunderous, ripping yet glitch-free and buttock-clenching mayhem that can only be described as Larry Graham on steroids (as demonstrated to devastating effect by the man himself!). The Big Cheese works exceptionally well in the fx loop of the Meatball creating some of the squelchiest curdled sounds ever - particularly true of the "cheese" setting which gives the signal huge dynamics thus cutting through a mix in a manner not unlike early analogue synths. Coupled in this way with an octaver it can perform an uncanny impersonation of a guitar synth with no delay or tracking worries. *CHEESE SOURCE The Big Cheese and Brown Source are no longer available. However, we have so many people asking for them and because they work together very well we are making a run of the Cheese Source, that will combine both fx (with identical circuitry as before) in a large format (same as Meatball size) case. The Cheese Source will have 2 footswitches, 2 inputs and outputs (although the "Cheese" output will be "normalised" into the "Source" input thus not requiring an external connection). It will also have LED's! Please see ordering info for details. WOBULATOR The Wobulator is a super-psychedelic twin-oscillator stereo tremolo/vibrato/panner and is as you would expect much more than an ordinary trem pedal. Although of course it is more than capable of mono trem effects such as those associated with classic amps it goes much further due to an abundance of modulation possibilities. Also, being stereo it can create numerous spatial effects either in the studio or with two classic amps - YES!! Its warm, smooth and flexible sound has made it a favourite mixdown tool for treating everything from drums to vocals not forgetting yer standard classics like guitar, electric piano etc. Featuring: stereo outputs 2 LFO's multiple waveforms 4 modulation modes sync facility pedal input special smooth sound! The Wobulator has 4 basic modes: 1 TREM - both Left and Right move up and down at the same time, but with a "cross-over" effect where Left is low pass filtered and Right is high pass filtered. 2 PAN - Left and Right move in anti-phase without a cross-over, akin to a normal "figure-of-eight" auto-panner. 3 VIB - same as TREM but in anti-phase, creating subtle phase cancellation (and therefore pitch and volume change) effects. 4 DUAL TREM - this again uses the cross-over but brings into play the second LFO. Left is now driven by LFO 1 and right by LFO 2. Each LFO has a Rate control and an option for Triangle or Square waveforms. (LFO 2 operates in a higher range and goes up to audio frequencies which creates some unusual if subtle frequency modulation effects.) The square waveform gives a "gated" effect which can get pretty weird in stereo. LFO 1 also has a Pedal input for controlling Rate (as on the Doppelganger) as well as a Trigger Input!! which resets the waveform each time it receives a suitable pulse or click. This feature can be used to sync the LFO to a particular tempo, or to create "burst" or "ramp" effects for example. Both Left and Right outputs each have a Depth control and an "Enable" footswitch. Disabling the modulation on either one so that the other is moving against the straight signal opens up a whole new world of rather scary sounds! All the above effects are available in mono where they are summed to one output. (If you only have one amp but with two contrasting inputs you can use both Wobulator outputs to really bend some sound!) ORDERING INFORMATION... LOVETONE PRODUCTS ARE ONLY AVAILABLE DIRECT BY MAIL ORDER SO DON'T BOTHER LOOKING ROUND YOUR LOCAL MUSIC STORES. MAIL ORDER IS EASY - WE SHIP STUFF TO THE U.S. ALL THE TIME!!! The pedals are built in small batches and there may be a waiting list. If this is the case then orders are accepted on a first come first served basis. CONTINUED AVAILABILITY OF PEDALS CANNOT BE GUARANTEED. All pedals come with a 12 month guarantee and because we only sell direct we also offer a money back guarantee. We will refund your money (less shipping) if not satisfied provided you return the goods within 10 days of receipt in original condition and in the original packaging. WE REQUIRE PAYMENT IN POUNDS STERLING (BRITISH POUNDS)!!!! (Please note - if you're paying by credit card it automatically gets converted at your end so there's no hassle.) Please refer below for prices of pedals and shipping to the USA and Canada. The current exchange rate is in the region of 1.65 US dollars to the pound. The APPROXIMATE dollar equivalents are given in brackets. THIS IS ONLY A ROUGH GUIDE and Lovetone cannot be held responsible for any fluctuations. Pedal Air Mail UPS (7-14 days) (1-2 days) Meatball 199 (328) 20 (33) 44 (73) Doppelganger 219 (361) 20 (33) 44 (73) Cheese Source 229 (378) 20 (33) 44 (73) Wobulator 239 (394) 20 (33) 44 (73) * PLEASE NOTE: The Cheese Source is not yet available. We are taking pre-orders which will operate, as usual, on a strictly first come first served basis with full payment up-front. Delivery is expected in Spring '99. Since the Brown Source and Big Cheese were phased out earlier this year there has been an ever increasing demand for these unique pedals. If you're interested please let us know as soon as possible - we anticipate that these won't hang around too long. Shipping for multiples of pedals is given in the table below. Air Mail UPS (7-14 days) (1-2 days) 2 30 (50) 57 (94) 3 36 (60) 66 (109) For any other quantities please ask for a quote. FOR THE LARGER QUANTITIES WE WOULD RECOMMEND UPS. PLEASE NOTE: ALL PAYMENT MUST BE IN POUNDS STERLING AND PRICES ARE SUBJECT TO CHANGE WITHOUT NOTICE. We accept Mastercard and Visa and American Express. Please forward your credit card number with expiry date, the card holders name and address, and a daytime telephone number. ALL GOODS MEST BE SHIPPED TO THE CARDHOLDER'S ADDRESS. International Money Orders/Bank Cheques should be made payable to Lovetone and sent by registed post for proof of delivery. For more information please contact: Lovetone P.O. Box 102 Henley-on-Thames Oxfordshire RG9 1XX England UK Tel/Fax: 011 44 1491 571411 e-mail: lovetone@channel.co.uk internet: http://www.channel.co.uk/lovetone For those of you that get confused about these things and want to phone us, we are 8 hours ahead of Western time and 5 hours ahead of Eastern time, so call before noon (your time) and you should get a result! Our web details may be changing in which case please contact us for details. Lovetone has a non-endorsement policy. Lovetone 1999 From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Apr 10 21:18:55 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id VAA23756; Sat, 10 Apr 1999 21:18:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 21:18:55 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199904110103.VAA25495@ulster.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 21:00:31 -0400 Subject: Re:Shruti, Drones, Tanpura From: "jmw/cmu" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"f2S183.0.HF5.TI_3t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5123 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I had the opportunity to accompany Pdt. Samir Chatterjee (tabla) & Steve Gorn (bansuri) on tampura and I must say it's not an easy instrument to play. You'd think "no problem - only 4 strings, no fretting - just pluck , pluck , pluck" HA! 1st, the attack is not supposed to be noticeable so you have to kind of brush the strings with the tip of your fingers to gently start the string vibrating. One slip and you either mute a string leaving a gaping hole in the drone or make a loud twang - causing the soloist & the audience to glare in your direction... 2nd, you're not supposed to play in time with the music - just start at a pace that will keep the drone nice & full and forget about the groove. !@#$%^ hard when the time kicks in and the tempo gradually increases. 3rd, all of this goes on for like 40 - 60 minutes, a large part of which is just you and the soloist. I left that gig with a profound respect for the instrument. jmw From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Apr 11 01:43:41 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id BAA10188; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 01:43:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 01:43:41 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <370FF924.C509F6D6@columbus.rr.com> Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 01:21:40 +0000 From: Darrell Jones Reply-To: djones01@columbus.rr.com Organization: Intra Sites X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.07 (Macintosh; U; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: How can I get an EDP! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"xZeQ2.0.Go1.P734t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5124 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Were an how can I get an EDP. Please help! From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Apr 11 02:04:02 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id CAA13573; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 02:04:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 02:04:02 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <001501be83e0$4e9122c0$1796adce@satellite> Reply-To: "Tom Lambrecht" From: "Tom Lambrecht" To: Subject: Re: Updated Lovetone Information Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 00:58:20 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"crYLT2.0.Yc2.RS34t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5125 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Gosh and I thought the Fuzz Factory was IT, but I think I've got the SuperHardOn for this bad boy . . . for the didgeridoo, you understand :) Tom Lambrecht hideo@concentric.net -----Original Message----- From: Douglas Lawrence To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Saturday, April 10, 1999 6:55 PM Subject: Updated Lovetone Information > >I had remembered a while back some interest in Lovetone pedals on the list. >FYI, I got this e-mail from one of the folks at Lovetone, who are definitely >not out-of-business SNIP >NEW PEDAL ALERT! >Its ringy - its stingy - it'll blow your pants off!! > >You wanted excess, you wanted weirdness of unimaginable proportions! As it >happens, we've been wanting to make this one for some time. It represents a >whole new level of interactive complexity (as well as a whole new can of >worms) and we can say with that ring of confidence that never has so much >mayhem potential been crammed by so few into so little. But be warned, if >you've been bemused, befuddled and bamboozled by our previous creations >then this is not the pedal for you! > >So here it is at last, defying all known boundaries of taste and decency - >bells with balls (but definitely not the belle at the ball) - >the big, fat, smokin', trouser-defying > >Ring Stinger > >ring modulator/fuzz octave doubler/repeater/dirt box/optical synth > >CLASSIC TRANSFORMER MATRIX MODULATOR (NOT THE UBIQUITOUS MODULATOR CHIP) >FOR THAT DISTINCTIVE VINTAGE RING MOD SOUND & 60'S GERMANIUM DISTORTION > >klangs, bells, metallic fx, pseudo vocoder fx, dalek noises, sci-fi >atmospherics, spooky warbling, trem arpeggios, tonal toggling, touch >sensitive keying, pitch crossfiring, microtonal + atonal fx, evolving >drones, digeridoo fx and not least the meanest graunchiest octave fuzz ever >- and these are just for starters! > >Amazing on guitar, bass, keys, synths, drums, studio applications - >anything at all in fact! Stunning in conjunction with the other pedals - >especially in the Meatball loop! > >Featuring: >* sine/triangle/sawtooth/square VCO with range down to LFO frequencies for >repeater/gate fx >* CV/external pedal input for VCO frequency >* VCO insert point (VCO output available for creating unique synth noises - >spooky!) >* triangle/square wide-range LFO to modulate VCO frequency or VCO pulse >width or octave drive! (goes up to audio frequencies for FM FX) >* LFO depth control - don't knock it till you've heard it! >* external pedal input for LFO amount - nice! >* footswitch for LFO enable (handy - or is it footy?) >* timbre control >* blend contol (great for retaining bottom end on bass sounds - octave mode >gives fat, edgy germanium distortion but with added bass!) >* footswitch for ring mod/octave >* light sensitive jack adaptor for Theremin-like fx or random ambience >modulation (can also be used on Meatball, Doppelganger and Wobulator >instead of passive volume pedal!) >* Bypass footswitch > >We are currently offering the Ring Stinger at the amazing pre-order price >of >259 (approx $427) + carriage. >Deliveries are due in June/July '99. Orders will be on a strictly >first-come first-served basis (with full payment up-front) and the usual >money-back guarantee applies. > > HUGE SNIP From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Apr 11 02:12:45 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id CAA15004; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 02:12:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 02:12:45 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: klaw@pop.iglou.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 01:33:42 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Keenan Lawler Subject: Echoplex input knob repair Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: Resent-Message-ID: <"ccepY.0.Ti2.eT34t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5126 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hello again -i need to replace my input knob on my plex-anybody know what value this is? K From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Apr 11 10:27:02 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id KAA10869; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 10:27:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 10:27:02 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <001801be8424$dd586740$a8944e0c@u73x0> From: "James Pokorny" To: Subject: Re: Re:Shruti, Drones, Tanpura Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 10:09:06 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"_Vx-S.0.y92.apA4t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5127 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hear, Hear! The tanpura is certainly a deceptive instrument. Looks easy, but as JMW said, it's very tough to keep the drone going smoothly. In Indian music the tanpura is usually played at a concert by a student, friend, or family member of the main performer. They don't get paid, they don't get creditied on recordings, they rarely even get introduced or acknowledged. It's a thankless job, but it's essential to the music. One of the many paradoxes inherent in Indian musical life. However, being asked to play tanpura for great artists like Steveji and Samirda is a real honor. Having sat behind a tanpura for many of my teacher's concerts, as well as many other artists (including Steve), it's a real challenge to concentrate on keeping the drone steady while at the same time trying to listen to the performance, as I'm sure JMW will agree. What a double-edged sword! Also your legs fall asleep after about 10 minutes, starting with a "pins and needles" feeling, then progressing to a total lack of sensation at which point you begin to wonder if there's a hospital nearby that can attend to the gangrene that's sure to be setting in and whether you'll need a total amputation. All this of course is heightened by the constant, hypnotic, twangy, overtone-laden drone that you're producing. No wonder tanpura players always have that glassy-eyed stare! An amusing anecdote: Last night I went to hear the great sarangi player Sultan Khan, accompanied on tabla by Zakir Hussain. After the first piece, Sultan Khan was retuning his sarangi (about 40 strings, all told) for the next raga, so in order to save time Zakir Hussain retuned the tanpura. My sister leaned over to me and whispered, "I didn't think the Musician's Union wouldn't let him touch a stringed instrument!" -----Original Message----- From: jmw/cmu To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Saturday, April 10, 1999 9:26 PM Subject: Re:Shruti, Drones, Tanpura >I had the opportunity to accompany Pdt. Samir Chatterjee (tabla) & Steve >Gorn (bansuri) on tampura >and I must say it's not an easy instrument to play. You'd think "no problem >- >only 4 strings, no fretting - just pluck , pluck , pluck" > >HA! > >1st, the attack is not supposed to be noticeable so you have to kind of >brush >the strings with the tip of your fingers to gently start the string >vibrating. > >One slip and you either mute a string leaving a gaping hole in the drone >or make a loud twang - causing the soloist & the audience to glare in your >direction... > >2nd, you're not supposed to play in time with the music - just start at a >pace >that will keep the drone nice & full and forget about the groove. >!@#$%^ hard when the time kicks in and the tempo gradually increases. > >3rd, all of this goes on for like 40 - 60 minutes, a large part of which is >just you and the soloist. > >I left that gig with a profound respect for the instrument. > > > >jmw > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Apr 11 10:53:29 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id KAA14344; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 10:53:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 10:53:29 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <006901be8428$6b883740$a8944e0c@u73x0> From: "James Pokorny" To: Subject: Another term for "Shruti box" Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 10:34:34 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"dc6Dd2.0.Uu2.EBB4t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5128 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sorry I forgot this earlier: Another name you may see for the bellows-driven acoustic "shruti box" is "swarpeti" also spelled "swarpetti," "surpetti," "shrutipetti," etc. "Swar" or "Sur" is the musical term for "note," "peti" means box or carrying case. I've only heard this term used for the acoustic instrument, but some people may use it to refer to the modern ones also. James From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Apr 11 11:41:42 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id LAA20612; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 11:41:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 11:41:42 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3710BD98.5C39@pop.interport.net> Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 10:19:53 -0500 From: John + Diane Parada Reply-To: jparada@changenow.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Shruti, Drones, Tanpura References: <001801be8424$dd586740$a8944e0c@u73x0> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"QlEvR.0.9M4.zsB4t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5129 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com anyone interested in these exotic instruments will find this indian music store very interetsing: http://www.sapthaswara.com . i was interested in these instruments as well but these guys would not return my email questions about payment, shipping etc.. too bad it looks like they have lots of cool stuff. their loss, i'll find my sounds elsewhere...goodluck..jp From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Apr 11 12:11:43 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id MAA25046; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 12:11:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 12:11:43 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: djdowling@earthlink.net Message-ID: <3710D44A.7841@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 11:56:42 -0500 Reply-To: djdowling@earthlink.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: NEW VORTEX X-URL: http://www.annihilist.com/loop/list/LoopList.html Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"S48Jb.0.nU5.8MC4t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5130 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Anyone looking for a NEW VORTEX? I've got a connection to one. It looks like the asking price will be around $400. Let me know if you're interested. I can try to obtain it for you through personal connection. Best, Dave From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Apr 11 16:17:23 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id QAA27881; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 16:17:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 16:17:23 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <2.2.32.19990411195759.006e3cc8@mail.dada.it> X-Sender: cavallo@mail.dada.it X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 21:57:59 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Leo Cavallo Subject: Re: new MP3 Resent-Message-ID: <"Ke5xz2.0.W76.oyF4t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5131 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 10.33 10/04/99 -0700, you wrote: >Leo, >Can you please tell me what software you use to >convert wav to mpeg. I can't seem to make it happen. on the net there are tons of freeware MP3 converters BTW, I've used Audiograbber with the MP3 Frauhnofher (????) CODEC installed on my PC. ciao leo >Dan > >--- Leo Cavallo wrote: >> >> Hi all >> >> I've just uploaded my remix of a friend's little >> bossanova song. >> Check it out on ftp.teklab.com/teklab/incoming. The >> file is >> LeoCavalloREMIX.zip (including the mp3 and a txt). >> This is just a rough mix, but maybe you can get my >> actual concept of >> "looping" ;), in the drum & bass style, using a >> sampler, a computer and some >> software. >> >> let me know >> ciao >> leo >> >> > >_________________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Apr 11 23:57:07 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id XAA00997; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 23:57:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 23:57:07 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 19:17:03 -0800 From: "Esteban Delgado" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Cc: X-Sent-Mail: on Reply-To: X-Mailer: MailCity Service Subject: Re: Fw: Drum'n Bass questions - Amen X-Sender-Ip: 209.212.192.49 Organization: QUALCOMM Eudora Web-Mail (http://www.eudoramail.com:80) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"N41ut3.0.Ur6.eOM4t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5132 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hello all, This was a thread on this list a while back; I downloaded the program, and it is extremely cool, just as the posts said. Thanks for turning me on to this. I do have a couple of questions, though... - >>>A nice little program to get you going with d'n'b is AMEN. It's free and >>>comes with an amen break!! and you can chop it up and sequence it forever >>>very easily within the program, adding differing degrees of randomness >etc. Is it really practical for creating a whole tune's worth of drum sequencing? My experience thus far has been that if you're going to create say, a 16-bar sequence, the "offsets" become so tiny that it's almost impossible to work with them. Do a whole tune, and they would be microscopic. Can anyone tell me what I'm missing here? Also, I tried to use ACID loops with Amen but I couldn't, because they were not in "16-bit mono .wav file format". Is there a way to convert ACID loops (which as far as I know are indeed .wav files, though they are stereo, and I don't know how many bits) to 16-bit mono .wav format? Is there a website where I can download 16-bit mono .wav files of drumloops (I seem to recall a post about this very thing not too long ago)? >>>I don't think it's being developed any further though, shame. Shame, indeed. Maybe if we all begged the guy... Thanks in advance for any and all replies, Esteban Delgado Join 18 million Eudora users by signing up for a free Eudora Web-Mail account at http://www.eudoramail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Apr 12 04:26:53 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id EAA17687; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 04:26:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 04:26:53 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <2.2.32.19990412081533.006d453c@mail.dada.it> X-Sender: cavallo@mail.dada.it (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 10:15:33 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Leo Cavallo Subject: Re: Fw: Drum'n Bass questions - Amen Resent-Message-ID: <"5r1fO.0.Y_3.CmQ4t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5133 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com hi esteban Amen is a little prog, really nice to create some original ONE bar breaks, not to sequence a whole tune... ;) try this: convert the file in mono using Soundforge (or any other editor), edit the loop in Amen and then import it in Acid to work on the song structure. Acid loops usually are .wav 16 bit stereo. If you have Acid I suggest to use this incredible app only, and forget about Amen. A little plug here: I just uploaded a tune created with Acid too. In particular, all the drum programming is done using Acid. No Amen involved there, but you can splice and re-edit really well in Acid (a lto better than Amen, I'd say...) Check it out on ftp.teklab.com/teklab/incoming. The file is LeoCavalloREMIX.zip (including the mp3 and a txt). ciao leo At 19.17 11/04/99 -0800, you wrote: >Hello all, >This was a thread on this list a while back; I downloaded the program, and it is extremely cool, just as the posts said. Thanks for turning me on to this. I do have a couple of questions, though... >- >>>>A nice little program to get you going with d'n'b is AMEN. It's free and >>>>comes with an amen break!! and you can chop it up and sequence it forever >>>>very easily within the program, adding differing degrees of randomness >>etc. > >Is it really practical for creating a whole tune's worth of drum sequencing? My experience thus far has been that if you're going to create say, a 16-bar sequence, the "offsets" become so tiny that it's almost impossible to work with them. Do a whole tune, and they would be microscopic. Can anyone tell me what I'm missing here? > >Also, I tried to use ACID loops with Amen but I couldn't, because they were not in "16-bit mono .wav file format". Is there a way to convert ACID loops (which as far as I know are indeed .wav files, though they are stereo, and I don't know how many bits) to 16-bit mono .wav format? > >Is there a website where I can download 16-bit mono .wav files of drumloops (I seem to recall a post about this very thing not too long ago)? > > >>>>I don't think it's being developed any further though, shame. > >Shame, indeed. Maybe if we all begged the guy... > >Thanks in advance for any and all replies, > >Esteban Delgado > > > >Join 18 million Eudora users by signing up for a free Eudora Web-Mail account at http://www.eudoramail.com > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Apr 12 04:26:28 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id EAA17591; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 04:26:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 04:26:28 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <2.2.32.19990412081534.006dc954@mail.dada.it> X-Sender: cavallo@mail.dada.it (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 10:15:34 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Leo Cavallo Subject: free drumloops Resent-Message-ID: <"JjITp.0.304.GmQ4t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5134 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com hi all talking about drum loops, Amen, Acid, etc, here's a little list for free download. A little present for all the groovemaker out there ;), but I'd like to have a little comment on my new mp3 uploaded on teklab site :) I'm going to edit the final version (mixing and sequencing) and I'd like to know other people impressions... (not one single comment from this list...) thank you guys Check it out on ftp.teklab.com/teklab/incoming. The file is LeoCavalloREMIX.zip (including the mp3 and a txt). and these are the drum loops links... > http://hem2.passagen.se/rikarde/break.html > http://www.slickmedia.com/super/samples.html > http://www.2xtreme.net/mhat/drums.html > http://www.113audio.com/beats.html > http://members.tripod.com/~earbleed/eb2.htm > http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Museum/4312/ > http://fly.to/hiphop.breaks/ > http://www.loknet.demon.co.uk/leech/breakbeats.html > http://www.paranoia.com/~veraxoin/loopz.html > http://members.xoom.com/grimmstarr/ > http://www.august.com/copular/ww/index.htm > http://www.187.nu/ > http://www.xs4all.nl/~aras/breakpro/ ciao leo >Dan > >--- Leo Cavallo wrote: >> >> Hi all >> >> I've just uploaded my remix of a friend's little >> bossanova song. >> Check it out on ftp.teklab.com/teklab/incoming. The >> file is >> LeoCavalloREMIX.zip (including the mp3 and a txt). >> This is just a rough mix, but maybe you can get my >> actual concept of >> "looping" ;), in the drum & bass style, using a >> sampler, a computer and some >> software. >> >> let me know >> ciao >> leo >> >> > >_________________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Apr 12 05:10:12 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id FAA22980; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 05:10:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 05:10:12 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199904120858.BAA28359@snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-Sender: cqlung@mail.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 05:05:26 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Chris Q Subject: Re: new MP3 In-Reply-To: <19990410173312.7022.rocketmail@web117.yahoomail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"DovQz2.0.MK5.QOR4t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5135 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com
Dan, try audiograbber. It seems to work pretty well. Music Match it's the hippest that I've seen, it makes mp3>wav, wav > mp3, catalogues titles from it's own online database for free. Oh yeah, it's also about twice as fast as audiograbber or MP3 Compreeor. Let me know how it works out for you.....CQ                                                                                                                                                                   &nb! sp;& nbsp;                   













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At 10:33 AM 4/10/99 -0700, you wrote:
>Leo,
>Can you please tell me what software you use to
>convert wav to mpeg.  I can't seem to make it happen.
>Dan
>
>--- Leo Cavallo <cavallo@dada.it> wrote:
>>
>> Hi all
>>
>> I've just uploaded my remix of a friend's little
>> bossanova song.
>> Check it out on ftp.teklab.com/teklab/incoming. The
>> file is
>> LeoCavalloREMIX.zip (including the mp3 and a txt).
>> This is just a rough mix, but maybe you can get my
>> actual concept of
>> "looping" ;), in the drum & bass style, using a
>> sampler, a computer and some
>> software.
>>
>> let me know
>> ciao
>> leo 
>>
>>
>
>_________________________________________________________
>Do You Yahoo!?
>Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
>
www.jigglethehandle.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Apr 12 09:09:32 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id JAA21122; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 09:09:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 09:09:32 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: matthias@pop3.bahianet.com.br (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <19990409195017.5856.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 09:55:57 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Asian instruments (Talvins Drums) Cc: "Edgar Silva" Resent-Message-ID: <"0_pGx.0.uP4.EmU4t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5138 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >Talvin used to use these tabla made out of the same material the old >Ludwig Vistalite drums were made of, they had piezos in them and he >runs them through an Envintide Efx. Processor. The funny thing is >now he has signed up with us to play the miniTabla. His set should >get to him in about a month. There are a few other players we are >trying to secure before we make our grand entrance into the wonderful >world of the publics eye. So drums with piezo pickups work? I tried it, but it did not sound right. Did you hear those drums with piezo? Where is the right spot for the piezo? From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Apr 12 09:56:11 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id JAA29951; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 09:56:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 09:56:11 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: matthias@pop3.bahianet.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199904091244.IAA13710@ulster.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 10:00:55 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: electronic Cc: "Edgar Silva" Resent-Message-ID: <"Ry8932.0.bg4.tsU4t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5140 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I asked: >>How do you think the indians would receive the looping tools to >>simplyfy/extend their music? Do they use any electronics exept for straight >>amplification of their traditional work? jmw answered: >One of my friends, a bansuri player - is always appearing with new >electronic gadjets that he picks up in India - he must have at least 8 >different shruti boxes ( drone makers) and 3 or 4 electronic tabla machines >- one of them even has a tv style remote control! They're all *really* >funky/clunky. Thats amazing! So all this stuff is made in India? Do you remember any brands? >So I guess that some players are using electronics but I'm sure you wont see >Ravi Shankar w/ an Boomerang anytime soon. :-) From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Apr 12 10:43:11 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id KAA06424; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 10:43:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 10:43:11 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: matthias@pop3.bahianet.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <370DF00B.2957A987@csi.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 10:06:49 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Loopable percussion (was: Tabla...) Resent-Message-ID: <"a3Nib.0.Tr4.awU4t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5142 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >hey matthias, i'm not a doctor, at least not in the proper sense ... :-) what a pitty, mylord :-) >> Dr. Cummings wrote: >> >sounds like fun - i've been "attaching" piezos to cymbals with plumber's >> >putty. they also work great on kalimbas, pieces of wood ... >> >> Yes, serious solutions. What is "plumber's putty", please? > >plumber's putty is basically a gray lumpy sticky mass - maybe we should >call it playdough for profis ;-) >the german word for it is "Kitt" (du kommst aus der Schweiz ja?) Ja genau! Unfortunately Kitt has his own acoustic properties and in some way isolates the pickup from the real vibes. It helps in case of the pickups that use a mass on their back side to measure the vibrations against. But I found its better to hard glue the pickup into the flow of the vibrations. This may not be very easy to understand, but after talking to manufacturers of piezo pickups, I felt that we all do not know quite so exactly what is really going on... :-) >> >- swallow a piezo with a vey long wire attached (don't laugh, it's been >> >done) >> >> and then what, hit your belly? Listen to the stomac? > >legend has that the finnish band pan(a)sonic did this at a performance - >i have no idea what it would sound like - i don't think i'll find out >any time soon ... ;-) I thought about installing a wireless under the skin to capture my leg percussion... >> >be careful not to get any between the piezo-element and the drum/cymbal >> >surface. the key to a non-distorted sound is to have the piezo-element >> >completely flush with the vibrating surface. the other thing you may >> >want to consider is a preamp circuit. >> >> Very correct. I usually drill a 3mm whole and glue it in to make shure the >> waves pass THROUGH it. The element is blinded but as naked as possible. It >> works nice on any solid material. The preamp needs to be close because so >> far I could not find a flexible fine cable that is suficiantly blinded and >> the cable itself transmits sound waves to the pickup. >what do you mean by "blinded" - do you mean insulated (deutsch >"isoliert")? Nein, "abgeschirmt". Sorry, I confused portugese "blindado" with "shielded". >do you drill a 3mm hole directly into the piezo or do you drill the hole >into the object to be amplified? Into the object. The piezo is a ceramic material that is very hard but breakes easily. So you have to be carefull to install it where it can receive the pressure of the sound (like between bridge and string), but without forcing it in other ways (like bending). You may read more about it on my site http://matthias.grob.org where you find some story about the PARADIS piezo pickup and the link to its patent. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Apr 12 10:42:50 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id KAA06374; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 10:42:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 10:42:50 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: matthias@pop3.bahianet.com.br (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <370E57DE.EC930EFB@columbia.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 09:54:58 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: RE: loop religion (1) Cc: "Edgar Silva" Resent-Message-ID: <"H5tOC1.0.uN4.JlU4t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5137 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >Your point is well taken. However, I must ask why, if "there is no difference >between music and environmental sounds," people continue to make "music"? >Isn't it conceited of us to think that we can make better sounds than those >that we might encounter taking a walk, for example? Is the ultimate point of >Cage and the other aleatorists (including Olivieros) to make us consider >taking a walk to be as "active" a musical activity as making a music commodity >such as a CD? > >It might be useful for us all to take a big step back (or forward) and ask why >we prefer to strum chords and twiddle knobs instead of, say, considering the >sound of our own breathing to be music. (As a former smoker, I can >conceptually get behind "musical breathing"...wheeze, gasp...). This is like asking why we brew beer if we can eat manga. Humans are torn apart by the two basic forces of NATURE and CULTURE: The natural principle is to adapt itself to the ambient (modest/contemplatif) The cultural principle is to adapt the ambient to our taste (creatif/agressif) This conflict may have started when Adam ate the apple of consciousness, or as others interprete, with canibalism that induced the "useless" growth of brain throug bio feedback. We need to ocupy this brain somehow, so lets use it to turn things nicer. In fact, we do not even eat manga in the form that god created it. Humans started a very long while ago to cultivate nature for their needs and taste. The problem is that we tend to love culture so much that we disrespect nature or turn insensible for its beauty. But this is also a very old rap. I agree with Alan that some balance between creation and contemplation is needed. And I liked Kungha's view of the function of the loop in this context: "Just as in looping you are both the active creater and the passive listener. In both activities there is the potential for the complete merging of the two.Diety/Supplicant-Creater/Listener " Instead of making music, we could aslo try to cultivate birds to sing better ;-) Shee - before the mornig tee Matthias From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Apr 12 11:01:06 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id LAA09757; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 11:01:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 11:01:06 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: matthias@pop3.bahianet.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <003501be822a$93e8d6e0$aa934e0c@u73x0> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 10:06:27 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Asian instruments Cc: "Edgar Silva" Resent-Message-ID: <"bjCa8.0.Cq4.KwU4t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5141 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >In response to Matthias' question: > >Primeiro: Muito obrigado para as boas perguntas (Desculpe, I just *had* to >toss in some Portuguese!) oba! um som diferente na lista! (this is easy for everyone to understand, isnt it?) >I'll answer your second question first >>Do they [Indian musicians] use any electronics exept for straight >>amplification of their traditional work? > >Currently in North Indian classical music I've not seen anyone use >electronics in the sense of changing tone color, extending an instrument's >range, etc. About the only real use of sound processing is adding >artificial reverb both to live performances and studio recordings to enhance >the overall sound. Unfortunately this tends only to make things muddier. >If it's used sparingly it can be a nice effect but more often than not both >the main instrument (or vocalist) as well as the tabla accompanist are >drenched in reverb and this winds up ruining the music (for me at least). I tend to "ruin" my music with long reverb, too. The "drone aspect" of the reverb may be more important than the clarity of each note? >I have recently heard a sample of a young Indian classical musician playing >synthesizer. You can listen to this at http://www.neelam.com I always >dreamed about the possibility of synthesizers, midi, etc. within the realm >of ICM (Indian classical music). It seemed that if someone had good >knowledge of the music that almost anything would be possible in terms of >sound sources. From the clip I heard, this particular recording seems >rather one-dimensional as far as texture, etc. The playing is correct and >good, but the "piano" sound seems trite. To be fair, though, I remember >seeing Sun Ra many times in the early and mid 80's playing entire concerts >using just one setting (and a cheesy ball-park organ sound at that!) on a >synthesizer that was the "multivoice" state-of -the-art at the time, and he >always sounded fantastic. So it's not just the equipment, it's what the guy >sitting behind it does with it. Well, the equipment certainly is a limitation, too. Maybe you would not like the sound any more, today. I would not like to invade the fine indian sounds with synthesizers... >Another use of electronics which is becoming extremely widespread is the >recent invention of "electronic tanpura" (also spelled tamboura) replacing >the traditional string drone instrument. This has really taken off in the >last ten years where almost every performer I've seen recently - vocal or >instrumental - has used one, either alone or in combination with a "real" >tanpura. To my ears it doesn't sound as nice as a genuine string tanpura, >but I can certainly understand the portability, the comparative sturdiness, >and the wider tuning range. (A string tanpura only sounds good within a >very limited range -- for instance C to D, but not above or below). Yet >another increasingly popular device is the "electronic tabla." I must admit >guiltily to using one of these myself. It can never replace a live tabla >player, but it's great for practice since you can work with about a dozen >common "taal-s" (rhythm cycles) and vary the tempo as well as the pitch (to >tune to your instrument). Plus, it doesn't "give attitude" like a real >tabla player, and you can turn it off when it becomes too annoying ;) >(My apologies to tabliyas worldwide!) Instead of using an "electronic tanpura", the drone could be looped from the sitar for each piece of music, wouldn't that sound nicer? >>How do you think the indians would receive the looping tools to >>simplyfy/extend their music? > >Excellent question! One common aspect of Indian music and looping is that >ICM is largely repetitive to begin with, but part of the allure of a good >musician is that s/he will take even the most frequently repeated phrase and >slightly alter it each time, making it new and exciting. But as far as >serious classical performance goes, I couldn't really forsee looping being >widely accepted, except possibly for replacing the tanpura drone, which is >already being done electronically. However, the Indian sense of tolerance >and absorption from other countries and cultures is legendary. For >instance, the sitar, sarod, shehnai, and harmonium were all developed from >"foreign" instruments, and today there are many performers playing modified >"slide" guitars and electric mandolins. So anything is possible! I'd love >to see it happen. How about the use of pickups on those instruments? I remember the arabian musicians using pickups on their instruments for quite a while. >James Pokorny > >Ate logo, Matthias! Muito obrigado pela contribuicao interessante, Joao! From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Apr 12 11:01:47 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id LAA09860; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 11:01:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 11:01:47 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: matthias@pop3.bahianet.com.br (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <370E6D15.754B@earthlink.net> References: <582-370E4D19-1701@postoffice-123.bryant.webtv.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 09:56:34 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: loop religion Resent-Message-ID: <"5AONT3.0.qR4.omU4t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5139 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >... I'm no longer there as an individual, I'm feeling >sounds,sometimes seeing them,the air around me thick with light,the >music is a symbol for the ongoing vibration of the universe,and it IS >the ongoing vibration of the universe.The microcosm has attuned itself >to the macrocosm through an act of individuality that has lead beyond >the idea of being an individual.An act of self indulgence(just ask my >girlfriend)that can lead me beyond myself and bring me to questions >about whether I had any choice in beginning that loop in the first >place.Or any choice about being myself w/all its musical choices and >apparent failures since(as the tibetans would say)beginningless time... I had an important experience lately in my little "astral" room. It was raining outside and i played some very basic percussion while thinking about things. Suddenly I became aware that the dropps falling from about two or three spots at the border of the roof formed a groove related to mine. I stopped to listen to it and was fascinated how the dropps formed complex musical regular pattern. Then I joined in again. After I stopped, we talked shortly about the experience that was perceptible my friend, too. After the talk, we listened back to the drops and they were falling in the aleatoric natural way again - maybe still music in some way, but not as much as before! From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Apr 12 12:45:50 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id MAA29028; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 12:45:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 12:45:50 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 11:05:33 -0600 (CST) From: SOTO VALENCIA ANDRESRODOLFO To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: loop religion In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"TBELO3.0.XO5.5hX4t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5144 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I wrote about 5 songs in 1994 from the patterns heard by raindrops, I have some awesome loops in 13/8, 5/4 etc. it IS music Matthias... Andy. On Mon, 12 Apr 1999, Matthias Grob wrote: > >... I'm no longer there as an individual, I'm feeling > >sounds,sometimes seeing them,the air around me thick with light,the > >music is a symbol for the ongoing vibration of the universe,and it IS > >the ongoing vibration of the universe.The microcosm has attuned itself > >to the macrocosm through an act of individuality that has lead beyond > >the idea of being an individual.An act of self indulgence(just ask my > >girlfriend)that can lead me beyond myself and bring me to questions > >about whether I had any choice in beginning that loop in the first > >place.Or any choice about being myself w/all its musical choices and > >apparent failures since(as the tibetans would say)beginningless time... > > I had an important experience lately in my little "astral" room. It was > raining outside and i played some very basic percussion while thinking > about things. Suddenly I became aware that the dropps falling from about > two or three spots at the border of the roof formed a groove related to > mine. I stopped to listen to it and was fascinated how the dropps formed > complex musical regular pattern. Then I joined in again. After I stopped, > we talked shortly about the experience that was perceptible my friend, too. > After the talk, we listened back to the drops and they were falling in the > aleatoric natural way again - maybe still music in some way, but not as > much as before! > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Apr 12 13:31:34 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id NAA08888; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 13:31:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 13:31:34 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <000701be8508$f83f8ea0$e9b7fea9@sgoodman> Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: Subject: Return of the Loop Of The Week! Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 10:21:55 -0700 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Resent-Message-ID: <"IGWLW3.0.DQ1.8mY4t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5145 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com That's right folks. It's back, and still beautiful. [s] This week's one is a bit inspired by the Kosovo situation, though not as dark certainly. However, please take note that the LOTW is now DEDICATION-FREE! So, for all you folks who are allergic to such, have no fear. In addition, the ZIPped WAV file of the LOTW is now available by request. As the email list for the EarthLight Productions Newsletter was lost in a great data calamity (known as a bad backup tape), I make this announcement here, and not via a list that, alas, I must rebuild again. I look forward to your enjoying the work. Stephen Goodman * It's the Loop of the Week! EarthLight Productions * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios.html From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Apr 12 13:35:28 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id NAA09925; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 13:35:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 13:35:28 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990412155124.14198.rocketmail@web105.yahoomail.com> Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 08:51:24 -0700 (PDT) From: dan sumner Subject: Re: new MP3 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"y3vtr3.0.uh4.xQX4t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5143 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com thanx, Can you give me directions to where I can get it? Dan --- Chris Q wrote:
Dan, try audiograbber. It seems to work pretty well. Music Match it's the hippest that I've seen, it makes mp3>wav, wav > mp3, catalogues titles from it's own online database for free. Oh yeah, it's also about twice as fast as audiograbber or MP3 Compreeor. Let me know how it works out for you.....CQ                                                                                                                                                                   &nb! ! sp;& nbsp;                   













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At 10:33 AM 4/10/99 -0700, you wrote:
>Leo,
>Can you please tell me what software you use to
>convert wav to mpeg.  I can't seem to make it happen.
>Dan
>
>--- Leo Cavallo <cavallo@dada.it> wrote:
>>
>> Hi all
>>
>> I've just uploaded my remix of a friend's little
>> bossanova song.
>> Check it out on ftp.teklab.com/teklab/incoming. The
>> file is
>> LeoCavalloREMIX.zip (including the mp3 and a txt).
>> This is just a rough mix, but maybe you can get my
>> actual concept of
>> "looping" ;), in the drum & bass style, using a
>> sampler, a computer and some
>> software.
>>
>> let me know
>> ciao
>> leo 
>>
>>
>
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www.jigglethehandle.com _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Apr 12 15:10:43 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id PAA29879; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 15:10:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 15:10:43 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: matthias@pop3.bahianet.com.br (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <005201be822d$15277840$aa934e0c@u73x0> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 09:52:57 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Loopable percussion (was: Tabla...) Cc: "Edgar Silva" Resent-Message-ID: <"dYcnN1.0.BJ4.kjU4t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5136 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com James contributed infos more than 2c worth ;-): >I'm not a tabla player, but do know a bit about the drums, so here's my two >cents: > >>Do you like the defined tonality in other situations or would you actually >>prefer a modified tabla which has "enough overtones to smooth over obvious >>harmonic clashes"? Could this be achieved by uneven tension of the skin or >>irregular form of the black mass (whats its name?) on it? >>Do we disrespect the milenar indian culture? > >That "black mass" (sounds kind of Goth!) on the tabla is called "syahi" in >Hindi, meaning roughly "blackness." >This is usually made from rice flour, iron filings, etc. as is applied to >the skin in many layers over time until it gives the right "ring" to the >drum. On the treble drum this is essential to tuning, since this drum is >tuned to the tonic pitch of the vocalist or instrumentalist. In >non-traditional performance situations this can be very frustrating for the >"harmonic clash" mentioned above. So, since the size of the treble drum is not a problem, could we say that the syahi only serves for the pitched ring we might not want? >>The indian technology with the weight on the skin seams to be the >>solution to keep the instrument small and give it a nice sustain. Or should >>it be used just for the bass drum? > >On tabla this is used for both the treble as well as the bass drum. An >interesting footnote is that an older, deeper sounding drum called >"pakhawaj" has this black patch only on the treble head, but that the player >uses a small lump of dough to make a similar "weight" for the bass drum >head, then scrapes it off after the performance (or practice). Believe it >or not, the scraped-off dough is then often given to a street animal like a >dog or monkey as food. Musical recycling. Great! I see the animals dance with all the dumdummm in their system ;-) But serious: Why dont we try then to stick such a mass onto some small roto tom (with a natural skin, probably)? Out of center or with a non circular form it should ring less and might aproach a bass drum sound? In the mass there could be a movement sensitive pickup (not so much a piezo, which is pressure sensitive). Maybe a metal piece in it allowes to pick it up with a magnetic pickup underneeth? From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Apr 12 15:40:00 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id PAA02809; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 15:40:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 15:40:00 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <01BE84F9.7F713000.andy@harmonixmusic.com> From: andy@harmonixmusic.com (Andy McGraw) To: "Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Subject: odd edp problem Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 15:31:11 -0400 Organization: Harmonix Music Systems, Inc. X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4128 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"7kR5y1.0.KN.Hfa4t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5146 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I have been having an odd problem with my echoplex where the sample dies very gradually, being covered with an ever increasing digital distortion/feedback sound. Yes, the feedback knob is all the way to the right. It took quite a long time before I figured out the source of the problem. Apparently, while making loops and sitting (turning, shifting) on my fuzzy drum throne I generate quite a static charge between my ass and the seat. Usually at some point in the recording process I stand up to change effects, play turntables etc. and the static discharges, the echoplex picks it up (even though its nearly inaudible through the phones). This charge seems to be somehow messing with the simms. I tested my four simms individually and they all act the same. I have all the gear running through grounded outlets, and the echoplex is only sitting next to a sampler, not in a rack. Has anyone else experienced a problem like this. Does anyone have any solutions other than putting a plastic bag around my drum throne seat? Thanks, Andy McGraw Harmonix Music Systems, INC. Cambridge, MA www.harmonixmusic.com andy@harmonixmusic.com 617.491.6144 ext. 105 From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Apr 12 16:44:31 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id QAA15857; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 16:44:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 16:44:31 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: cstecker@barr642.berkeley.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 12:44:44 -0700 To: ba-newmus@eartha.mills.edu, analogue@hyperreal.com, loopers-delight@annihilist.com, snuggles@kuci.org, omni-artists@barr642.berkeley.edu From: Chris Stecker Subject: EVENT: Omni-Micro Rave De-mix Apr 15 Resent-Message-ID: <"L5EdL2.0.Un2.lMb4t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5147 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Artists' Theater Workshop (Oakland), AirSickBags Omnimedia, & Ovenguard Music Present: Omnimicro: A Series of Themed Electronic Improvisational Explorations. *** This Thursday: The raVe [rd]Emix! *** Where: Artists' Theatre Workshop 1932 Telegraph Ave Downtown Oakland (very close to 19th street BART station) When: Thursday April 15 Doors open @ 7:30 Performances begin @ 8:00 featuring: Mr. Merides (Deconstructing Beck, Live at Cultural Labyrinth) fluorescent grey (This is Ovenguard, RRR-500 Lock Grooves Project) Dr. Aaron Wolf Baum (audio packet-fractalizer extraordinnaire) David Tristram (live visual mix) Your weekly dose of experimental looping and sound collage. These artists will be deconstructing rave/dance/electro music all evening, the end product of which should be something very very different. Come and hear the beginning of the next trend in "intelligent" dance music! Check out the customized technology these artists have developed! Do something interesting on a Thursday night! Experience the booming east bay experimental art scene! ABSOLUTELY NO DANCING will be allowed at this event. ----------------- This is the second of a four-part weekly series happening in Oakland this month. The series is a spinoff of the successful OmniMedia festival, which you may have read about in last December's "Electronic Musician." For more information on this show, as well as performances on April 22 and 29th, check out http://www.ovenguard.com If you have other questions, please do not hesitate to write me directly. Thanks. -Chris Stecker honcho, Ovenguard Music From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Apr 12 17:14:05 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id RAA26348; Sat, 10 Apr 1999 17:46:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 17:46:07 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <4.1.19990410171632.00937ef0@unix01.voicenet.com> X-Sender: floyd@unix01.voicenet.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 17:28:06 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Floyd Miller Subject: Re: new MP3 In-Reply-To: <19990410173312.7022.rocketmail@web117.yahoomail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"JN7eR.0.Sl5.-8y3t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5119 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 10:33 AM 4/10/99 -0700, you wrote: >Leo, >Can you please tell me what software you use to >convert wav to mpeg. I can't seem to make it happen. Are you on Mac or Windows? If on MAC, amongst your possibilities are SoundApp (http://www-cs-students.stanford.edu/~franke/SoundApp/) to convert from Wav to AIFF format and MPecker encoder (http://www.anime.net/~go/mpecker/) to encode the AIFF file into MPEG-I Layer 3 format. **************** ********** Floyd Miller ****** floyd@voicenet.com **** http://www.voicenet.com/~floyd ** http://www.studiodust.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Apr 12 17:15:28 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id SAA04615; Sat, 10 Apr 1999 18:59:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 18:59:37 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 15:37:10 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: micro synth and loop de loop and EBN Resent-Message-ID: <"aML-Q2.0.6J.mBz3t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5121 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I recently got the Electric Bird Noise cd from Brian, it rocks! highly recommended. I'm constantly impressed by the great music people on this list make. kim At 12:01 PM -0700 4/10/99, ENAT21213@aol.com wrote: >we looped the micro synth quite a lot on our new cd >check out our site (sound files etc.) at: >http://members.aol.com/ebnoise/index.html >tracks with lots of micro synth: >number four >japanese toy song >holdin back the tears >our site has only half the album up in real audio........the remaining cd >has even more micro synth. >brian >electric bird noise ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Apr 12 17:16:51 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id RAA27278; Sat, 10 Apr 1999 17:53:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 17:53:06 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Reply-To: From: "Javier Miranda V." To: Subject: RE: new MP3 Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 14:26:58 -0700 Message-ID: <000301be8398$dd3a3680$c603d1d1@electra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <19990410173312.7022.rocketmail@web117.yahoomail.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Resent-Message-ID: <"KAELm2.0.Gp5.BAy3t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5120 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com The best I have found and which produces 128-Kbps-quality MP3s is called "CDex Backtracks." I found it through an excellent article on MP3 technology at C|Net, http://www.cnet.com. I can make really unbelievable MP3s with this thing. I've played the original CD against an MP3 copy, and I swear I can't tell the difference. Well, I use WinAmp to play MP3s, which is one kick-ass MP3 player. Information: <> -----Original Message----- From: dan sumner [mailto:permadan@yahoo.com] Sent: Saturday 10 April 1999 10:33 AM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: new MP3 Leo, Can you please tell me what software you use to convert wav to mpeg. I can't seem to make it happen. Dan --- Leo Cavallo wrote: > > Hi all > > I've just uploaded my remix of a friend's little > bossanova song. > Check it out on ftp.teklab.com/teklab/incoming. The > file is > LeoCavalloREMIX.zip (including the mp3 and a txt). > This is just a rough mix, but maybe you can get my > actual concept of > "looping" ;), in the drum & bass style, using a > sampler, a computer and some > software. > > let me know > ciao > leo > > _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Apr 12 17:17:44 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id RAA24977; Sat, 10 Apr 1999 17:36:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 17:36:48 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <370FC01B.C01F056E@dial.pipex.com> Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 22:18:19 +0100 From: Gareth Whittock X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: sussed References: <199904091754.NAA28714@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"_GQuv.0.ZM5.fzx3t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5117 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I tried this but kept falling over. Gareth > > just strap the speaker cab to you guitar body and turn it up to 11. > > > Hi I know this is slightly OT but I know there's a fair amount of > > expertise on this list so here goes:- > > I'm thinking of making my own infinite sustain system for guitar. Does > > anyone know how I should rewind my pickup? > > Have any of you characters done this? > > > > Thanks chaps, > > Gareth > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: Re: loop religion > Date: Fri, 09 Apr 1999 08:40:03 -0400 > From: "jmw/cmu" > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > > >Your kidding, but it may be true in some way, any serious observations? > > Actually, I'm not kidding. I've done a fair amount of meditation and I've > noticed very similar states of conscienceness after intense listening to > looped material, which is why I made the connection. > > In Zen ( and other buddhist traditions) the 1st practice is counting each > breath from 1 to 10 and repeating the cycle, starting from 1 again each time > your thoughts have strayed. Next you may count every other breath up to ten. > Then just focusing on each breath without counting. Most likely you will > become aware of the rhythm of your breathing & of your heartbeat. To my mind > these are all loops. > > Listening to loops for prolonged periods may promote deeper concentration > simply by virtue of the fact that by not changing (much) they allow the mind > to > settle down. Deeper concentration may lead to introspection and ultimately > you may find very deep significance in the dust particles on the floor. I > also think that drones work in the same way (maybe drones are just really > small loops). > > There have been studies of shamanistic drumming that suggest static rhythms > at certain tempos can alter brainwaves. The same has been said about the > rhythm of "rave" music. (Of course in both cases there can be lots of drug > use which also effects the brain.) > > Lest we mistake "the finger pointing at the moon for the moon" - it's not > the loops, drones, drugs or practices, those are all fingers that just aid > us in getting out of our own way. In the end "Buddha realizes Buddha" and > the eye sees itself. > > Sheesh, see what happens when I answer email before having coffee! > > peace, > > jmw > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: Re: electronic > Date: Fri, 09 Apr 1999 08:33:00 -0400 > From: "jmw/cmu" > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > > >James made an interesting contribution: > >How do you think the indians would receive the looping tools to > >simplyfy/extend their music? Do they use any electronics exept for straight > >amplification of their traditional work? > > One of my friends, a bansuri player - is always appearing with new > electronic gadjets that he picks up in India - he must have at least 8 > different shruti boxes ( drone makers) and 3 or 4 electronic tabla machines > - one of them even has a tv style remote control! They're all *really* > funky/clunky. > > So I guess that some players are using electronics but I'm sure you wont see > Ravi Shankar w/ an Boomerang anytime soon. > > jmw > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: AW: loop religion > Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 15:28:47 +0200 > From: Michael Peters > To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" > > jmw wrote, > > > Actually, I'm not kidding. I've done a fair amount of meditation and I've > > noticed very similar states of conscienceness after intense listening to > > looped material, which is why I made the connection. > > ok, this might be debatable but there is certainly a > spiritual/religious/zen potential in a practice of listening, to loops or > just to whatever is there. To get the complete idea, I'd recommend the > books of looper Pauline Oliveros who spent years and years researching > this. The basic idea is of course that sound is always in the here and now. > Listening *completely* to whatever is there in this very moment - > breathing, cars, birds - without judging, naming, wanting or rejecting can > open up something new. My experience is that in this position, listening to > music rather than to natural sounds is more difficult - music tends to > transport emotions which are often complex to deal with, and our noisy > brains are complex enough and difficult to handle already. Of course, ba > sically in a way there is no difference between music and environmental > sounds, as John Cage pointed out. > > * Michael Peters: mpeters@csi.com > * escape veloopity: electronic guitar loop music > * hop - fractals in motion: strange attractors > * http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Mpeters > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: Re: subharmonic synthesisers > Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 09:19:18 EDT > From: DDemarc@aol.com > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > > In a message dated 4/9/99 12:34:51 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > steve@digitalm.co.za writes: > > << Has anyone ever tried using a subharmonic synthesiser unit with bass guitar > sounds. I have heard them used to great effect with synth sounds (incredible > doofs)! If they could work with electric bass I could have the phatest bass > sound imaginable. Any comments? >> > > The EH Bass Microsynth has a sub octave control on it which does in fact, > "phatten" up the tone quite a bit. Use caution at high volumes though. I'm > not aware of any dedicated subharmonic synths... > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: Re: loop religion ==> references? pretty please? > Date: Fri, 09 Apr 1999 06:39:49 PDT > From: "Matt Rowe" > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > > hey all, > > can anyone here point me towards these studies, or some > literature/web sites on this topic? where are these kinds of studies > typically published? psychology journals? sociology journals? > > i'm more interested in the shamanistic side of things, rather than > the rave side. > > matt > > >There have been studies of shamanistic drumming that suggest static > rhythms > >at certain tempos can alter brainwaves. The same has been said about > the > >rhythm of "rave" music. (Of course in both cases there can be lots > of drug > >use which also effects the brain.) > >peace, > > > >jmw > > > The price I pay for free, private email is the following commercial > message... > > _______________________________________________________________ > Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: Re: things that we loop > Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 09:25:23 EDT > From: Hawkeye255@aol.com > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > > In a message dated 4/8/99 4:11:25 PM Central Daylight Time, matthias@grob.org > writes: > > to the growing list of sampled (then looped) sounds I would add my list of > traffic sounds and sounds recorded at a motocross track on race night. > Bill Reiter "Boomslang" > > << guitars > keyboards > basses > strings > didgeridoos > vocals > laughter > animal noises > samples > some > everykind of percussion imaginable > wind instruments > turntables > broadcast sounds from radio and TV > film dialog > found sounds > stick > washing machine hose bullroarers > Toddlers and their toys > fart and burp > human boddy > looping devices themselves > window fan > reverb coils > guitar and bass guitar > gutted piano > toy flutes > window fan > "Mega Mouth Warp'r" > "The Grossinator" > answering machine tapes > drum machine...analog & digital > kitchenware > metal cabinets > those whistles that go "fweeeeee!!!!" > water jug > water pipes under my house > video games > radio shack laser beam toy > squeaky violin > garage door > record skips > rake > styrofoam > analog echo pedal feedback > college students in hallways > garage bands > buncha toys >> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: Re: Loop da loop .... > Date: Fri, 09 Apr 1999 08:24:54 -0500 > From: "Michael S. Yoder" > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > > At 11:29 AM 4/8/99 -0700, you wrote: > >What is the sound of one looper looping? > > > > It's the sound of one looper's looping device denying the (loop)ability of > a second looping device, creating an (in)finite discourse of repeated silence. > > M.Y. > > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > > Dr. Michael S. Yoder > Assistant Professor of Geography, > Coordinator of Urban Studies > Texas A&M International University > 5201 University Blvd. > Laredo, TX 78041 > Tel. (956) 326-2634; FAX (956) 326-2464 > Internet:myoder@tamiu.edu > > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=--=-=-=-== > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: RE: infinite sustain - a bit off topic > Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 08:45:28 -0500 > From: Hoover Alan > To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" > > You can go to the IBM patent search engine: > > http://patent.womplex.ibm.com/ > > Look up U.S. patent numbers: 4,941,388; 5,070,759; 4,852,444. There are > many others on the subject. Have fun! > > -----Original Message----- > From: Gareth Whittock [mailto:whiteoak@dial.pipex.com] > Sent: Friday, April 09, 1999 6:25 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Subject: Re: infinite sustain - a bit off topic > > Hi I know this is slightly OT but I know there's a fair amount of > expertise on this list so here goes:- > I'm thinking of making my own infinite sustain system for guitar. Does > anyone know how I should rewind my pickup? > Have any of you characters done this? > > Thanks chaps, > Gareth > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: RE: sticky stuff > Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 09:40:37 EDT > From: Synthblock@aol.com > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > > Rodrigo wrote: > > >>im going to be buying a stick soon(12 string) > now after talking with them on the phone(and perusing the web page)ive become > confused as to what wood/pickup to pick>> > > I owned a Stick about 8 years ago, it was number 700 and something, and the > bottom line is that it sounded like a Stick! What I'm trying to say is that > I'm not sure how much the wood or pickups will affect the sound if you're > just trying to have the classic stick sound. I'm sure the "standard" pickup > would be fine. > My favorite bit about the stick was that the pickup was in stereo so you can > process the bass and treble strings differently. As a live looping tool, the > possibilities are neat. > Good luck with your purchase. > Regards, > jonathan > (http://members.tripod.com/~synthetic_block/) > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: microcassette loops > Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 10:21:53 +0000 > From: "David Dale" > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > > Dear friends, > > I'm looking to buy some microcassette loop tapes. Do you know where > I can find them? Please let me know ASAP. Thanks! > > David Dale > "He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose." - Jim Elliot > > Christian Student Fellowship at Miami University > A God of Love. A Family of Friends. A Flame to Light the World. > > * Tuesdays 8:30 pm 129 Shideler * Fridays 8:00 pm Donatos Pizza * > > 16 East Walnut St. > Oxford, OH 45056 > phone (513) 523-3394 > fax (508) 464-0328 > http://www.naccm.org/csf > > Visit my home page: > http://w3.one.net/~ddale > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: EMUSIC Playlist > Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 09:52:57 -0400 (EDT) > From: billfox@lucent.com (William_B_Fox) > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > > Playlist for "EMUSIC" > > "Emusic," an electronic, ambient, and space music show, airs each Thursday > at 11pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in > Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ. http://www.wdiyfm.org/schedule/s_emusic.html > > Show #109 April 8, 1999. > Host: Bill Fox http://www.wdiyfm.org > billfox@fast.net > > On this show, I continued the month-long focus on British synthesist Paul > Nagle, a prominent member of the GoldTri mailing list. The feature CD > at midnight was "Firedancer" on AMP Records, disc two in a series of > four. > > Paul Nagle : http://www.softroom.freeserve.co.uk > EMUSIC Focus : http://www.wdiyfm.org/emusic/playlists/focus.html > > The sixth annual Alfa-Centauri Electronic Music Festival will take place > on April 10 in Huizen, the Netherlands at the Theatre 3-in-1. The next > Star's End Gathering will take place on April 24 at St. Mary's Church in > Philadelphia. Music of some of the artists who will perform at these > events was played in the first hour of the show. > > Alfa-Centauri : http://home.wxs.nl/~quantumproductions > RAMP : http:/www.netz-gronau.de/ramp > Redshift : http://www.users.dircon.co.uk/~redshift > T-Bass UK : http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~dhughes/tbass.html > > Star's End : http://www.starsend.org > Spacecraft : http://spaceformusic.com/spacecraft.html > > EMUSIC Events : http://www.wdiyfm.org/emusic/events.html > > ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) > ======================= ======================== ============================== > 11:00 pm > VA [Bios] The Dark Journey Sequences No. 21 (Sequences) > Redshift Statis Ether (Champagne Lake) > T-Bass UK Time After Time Connexion (Thinking Metal) > RAMP Generatorenkonflikt CD-R from RAMP (none) > Stratosphere The Opening Spaces The Introspective Spaces (Amplexus) > Eric Snelders The Singularity Trap TheSourceOfScarletDreams(Quantum) > Spacecraft Destination: Infinity Spacecraft(LektronicSoundscapes) > Robert Carty Lightpulse The Mystic Choice (Deep Sky) > > 12:00 am > Paul Nagle Firedancer Firedancer (AMP) > Paul Nagle Vulcan's Forge Firedancer (AMP) > Paul Nagle Sons of the Desert Firedancer (AMP) > Paul Nagle Aftermath Firedancer (AMP) > Paul Nagle Sword of Flame Firedancer (AMP) > Paul Nagle Sandalwood Firedancer (AMP) > Paul Nagle Lava Firedancer (AMP) > Paul Nagle Torchbearer Firedancer (AMP) > Paul Nagle Morning Light Firedancer (AMP) > Paul Nagle Forgery Firedancer (AMP) > Victor Cerullo Embryon Ludus (Groove) > Victor Cerullo The Signal Ludus (Groove) > > 1:00 am > > * = exerpt > VA = Various Artists (compilation) > > On the next EMUSIC, I will continue the month-long focus on British > synthesizer artist Paul Nagle. The feature CD at midnight will be > "Skyrider" on AMP Records, disc 3 in a series of four. > > Please visit the WDIY web site and navigate through the schedule to the > EMUSIC pages. Playlists for every show are there. Hot links to artists > and labels can be found in the monthly focus section. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: Re: Loop da loop .... > Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 10:03:28 -0500 > From: "Dennis W. Leas" > To: > > I must applaud this thread with the sound of one hand clapping. :) > > Dennis Leas > ----------------------------- > dennis@mdbs.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael S. Yoder > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Date: Friday, April 09, 1999 9:11 AM > Subject: Re: Loop da loop .... > > >At 11:29 AM 4/8/99 -0700, you wrote: > >>What is the sound of one looper looping? > >> > > > >It's the sound of one looper's looping device denying the (loop)ability of > >a second looping device, creating an (in)finite discourse of repeated > silence. > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: Re: Loopable percussion (was: Tabla...) > Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 09:53:40 -0500 > From: "Dennis W. Leas" > To: > > IMHO, Tabla are one of the ultimate drums. At one point in my life I was > debating selling all my other instruments (over 150) and devoting myself to > the tabla. Fortunately, this temporary mania passed. > > Tabla are extremely versatile but I find it hard to get a good sound since > they're relatively quiet. I usually use a pair of mics. Good in the > studio, trouble on stage. I haven't tried a pick-up yet. After this > thread, I'm definitely going to! > > Check-out the "mini-tablas" on http://www.tabla.com/tablahpg.html . These > might work better for looping. > > Also, I have an udu "drum" that works really well. Lark in the Morning > lists them on this page: > http://www.larkinam.com/MenComNet/Business/Retail/Larknet/Africa . Mine was > made by Frank Giorgini and I LOVE it. I had the opportunity to speak with > Frank and can vouch for his integrity as an instrument maker. My udu has a > small opening for a mic near the "snout". I use a cheap Radio Shack mic > ($25.00!) and EQ the H*** out of it. I find the udu extremely expressive > and a lot easier to mic than the tabla. Some useful techniques: > 1) Boost the treble. Tapping the udu sounds like claves. Rubbing the udu > sounds like brushes on a snare drum. > 2) Boost the bass. While clapping one hand over an opening, insert your > thumb into the other opening. The further into the udu you stick your > thumb, the lower the pitch. > 3) Increase the volume until you're on the verge of feedback. When you clap > your hand over an opening, the resonance increases, obtaining controlled > feedback. Vary the pitch as in technique 2. Rock out! > > Dennis Leas > ----------------------------- > dennis@mdbs.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Matthias Grob > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Cc: Edgar Silva > Date: Thursday, April 08, 1999 4:34 PM > Subject: Loopable percussion (was: Tabla...) > > >This thread seamed to go OT, but we are simply looking for percussion > >instruments that are easy to loop (no feeback and interference problems): > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: Re: loop religion > Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 09:12:55 -0700 > From: "Alan Imberg" > To: > > I concur with JMW. I consider myself a spiritual seeker and have read and > practiced Buddhist techniques for reflection. In a musical context, the most > serene and freeflowing experiences have been while looping. Have any of you > listened to a recording of The Master Musicians of Jajouka? The repetition > in their music is truly mesmerizing when listened to intently. I'm still > learning about the spiritual significance of music but my limited experience > has shown me that repetition has some sort of power. > Alan I. > -----Original Message----- > From: jmw/cmu > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Date: Friday, April 09, 1999 6:03 AM > Subject: Re: loop religion > > >>Your kidding, but it may be true in some way, any serious observations? > > > >Actually, I'm not kidding. I've done a fair amount of meditation and I've > >noticed very similar states of conscienceness after intense listening to > >looped material, which is why I made the connection. > > > >In Zen ( and other buddhist traditions) the 1st practice is counting each > >breath from 1 to 10 and repeating the cycle, starting from 1 again each > time > >your thoughts have strayed. Next you may count every other breath up to > ten. > >Then just focusing on each breath without counting. Most likely you will > >become aware of the rhythm of your breathing & of your heartbeat. To my > mind > >these are all loops. > > > >Listening to loops for prolonged periods may promote deeper concentration > >simply by virtue of the fact that by not changing (much) they allow the > mind > >to > >settle down. Deeper concentration may lead to introspection and ultimately > >you may find very deep significance in the dust particles on the floor. I > >also think that drones work in the same way (maybe drones are just really > >small loops). > > > >There have been studies of shamanistic drumming that suggest static rhythms > >at certain tempos can alter brainwaves. The same has been said about the > >rhythm of "rave" music. (Of course in both cases there can be lots of drug > >use which also effects the brain.) > > > >Lest we mistake "the finger pointing at the moon for the moon" - it's not > >the loops, drones, drugs or practices, those are all fingers that just aid > >us in getting out of our own way. In the end "Buddha realizes Buddha" and > >the eye sees itself. > > > >Sheesh, see what happens when I answer email before having coffee! > > > >peace, > > > >jmw > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: Re: AW: loop religion > Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 12:52:34 EDT > From: Nemoguitt@aol.com > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > > In a message dated 4/9/99 1:02:29 PM Mid-Atlantic Daylight Time, > mpeters@csi.com writes: > > << music tends to > transport emotions which are often complex to deal with, and our noisy > brains are complex enough and difficult to handle already. >> > > perhaps a study like this can show us the emotional/intellectual "loops" that > are within us....what triggers them and what happens when they degrade or > change......when i am physically moved by a beat, or when my body becomes > involved with the music then the playing field is expanded, (mind, > emotion,body).....music, loops, can transport us to a sense of the present > and perhaps let us see the flow of energy within these three disjointed > aspects of ourselves.......wheres my coffee?.........michael From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Apr 12 17:10:29 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id RAA24990; Sat, 10 Apr 1999 17:36:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 17:36:50 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <370FC08E.F2DF3385@dial.pipex.com> Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 22:20:14 +0100 From: Gareth Whittock X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Oops References: <199904091754.NAA28714@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"kZHN_.0.IP5.O_x3t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5118 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I wondered why that last reply took about a minute to send - Sorry guys! Gareth From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Apr 12 17:11:18 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id RAA22314; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 17:11:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 17:11:18 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: floyd@voicenet.com Date: 12 Apr 1999 20:46:23 -0000 Message-ID: <19990412204623.11225.qmail@unix01.voicenet.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: odd edp problem Resent-Message-ID: <"08InM3.0.614.xlb4t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5148 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com andy@harmonixmusic.com (Andy McGraw) wrote: > > It took quite a long time before I figured out the source of the problem. > Apparently, while making loops and sitting (turning, shifting) on my fuzzy > drum throne I generate quite a static charge between my ass and the seat. > ..... > Has anyone else experienced a problem like this. Does anyone have any > solutions other than putting a plastic bag around my drum throne seat? I haven't run into this but as a solution I would suggest trying to ground your drum throne. That probably wont work. So your next step is to place something well grounded neaby that you can touch before you touch any of your gear. That should discharge you. Another idea would be to get one of those static discharge straps that electronics technicians wear. These are usually worn around the wrist but you could wear it on your ankle - just make sure that it contacts your skin. Attached to the strap is a wire with a clip on the other end. The wire is usually attached to the strap with a push-on snap. You attach the clip to a good earth ground and snap the other end to the strap wrapped around your ankle. That should keep static from building up. And hopefully wont impede your freedom of motion too much. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Apr 12 18:32:05 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id SAA06184; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 18:32:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 18:32:05 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <036301be852f$df30d870$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: Subject: Re: odd edp problem Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 17:00:26 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"hjRmX2.0.tU.iwc4t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5149 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I'd be extremely careful, here. The ground-strap-on-the-ankle will solve any static problem but touching badly wired equipment may become fatal. Touch a "hot" mic, for example, and you've got a great current path through your heart. That's a bad thing. Very bad. Dennis Leas ----------------------------- dennis@mdbs.com -----Original Message----- From: floyd@voicenet.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Monday, April 12, 1999 4:16 PM Subject: Re: odd edp problem >andy@harmonixmusic.com (Andy McGraw) wrote: >> >> It took quite a long time before I figured out the source of the problem. >> Apparently, while making loops and sitting (turning, shifting) on my fuzzy >> drum throne I generate quite a static charge between my ass and the seat. >> ..... >> Has anyone else experienced a problem like this. Does anyone have any >> solutions other than putting a plastic bag around my drum throne seat? > >I haven't run into this but as a solution I would suggest trying to ground >your drum throne. That probably wont work. So your next step is to >place something well grounded neaby that you can touch before you touch >any of your gear. That should discharge you. Another idea would be to >get one of those static discharge straps that electronics technicians >wear. These are usually worn around the wrist but you could wear it on >your ankle - just make sure that it contacts your skin. Attached to the >strap is a wire with a clip on the other end. The wire is usually attached >to the strap with a push-on snap. > >You attach the clip to a good earth ground and snap the other end to the >strap wrapped around your ankle. That should keep static from building up. >And hopefully wont impede your freedom of motion too much. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Apr 12 18:48:51 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id SAA08984; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 18:48:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 18:48:51 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <002701be8535$ab3523e0$e5b84e0c@u73x0> From: "James Pokorny" To: Subject: Re: Asian instruments Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 18:41:54 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"No5TN.0.Vw1.IQd4t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5150 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Senhor Matthias: Outra vez voce tem umas perguntas muitas interesantes. At the risk of straying too far from looping, I'll respond. >>>Do they [Indian musicians] use any electronics exept for straight >>>amplification of their traditional work? >> >>Currently in North Indian classical music I've not seen anyone use >>electronics in the sense of changing tone color, extending an instrument's >>range, etc. About the only real use of sound processing is adding >>artificial reverb both to live performances and studio recordings to enhance >>the overall sound. Unfortunately this tends only to make things muddier. >>If it's used sparingly it can be a nice effect but more often than not both >>the main instrument (or vocalist) as well as the tabla accompanist are >>drenched in reverb and this winds up ruining the music (for me at least). > >I tend to "ruin" my music with long reverb, too. The "drone aspect" of the >reverb may be more important than the clarity of each note? This depends. Some "schools" of Indian classical music strive for extreme clarity of expression. This can include such details as clear and precise intonation of every note, thoughtful and economic phrasing, and in the case of vocal music, an attempt to make the lyrical portion easily understood. In this performance style overdoing the reverb would be a distraction to the listeners and an annoyance to the performers. However, there are also performers who go more in the direction of overall "mood," "sound," and "feeling" in which case the additional electronic effects certainly help to create an atmosphere. I'm really speaking only of the classical music. As another list member pointed out, in the extremely popular film music anything goes. [Re: synthesizers in ICM] >Well, the equipment certainly is a limitation, too. Maybe you would not >like the sound any more, today. I would not like to invade the fine indian >sounds with synthesizers... Equipment is definitely a big limitation. Imported high-tech gear is prohibitively expensive. Even if a musician could afford the gear there's the constant problem of never knowing when the electricity will go out, or how soon it will come back on. (To go 24 hours with no power is a common occurrence even in the large cities) Also, even if the power cooperates there's always the trouble of using converters for the different current. What I had more in mind though, was the use of synthesizers to give a wide variety of tonal colors to the music, and to recreate the slow glides between notes (meend), as well as other graces and techniques that derive from vocal music, and are incorporated into the playing techniques of almost all instruments. >Instead of using an "electronic tanpura", the drone could be looped from >the sitar for each piece of music, wouldn't that sound nicer? This is what I've been doing when I don't want to go to the trouble of hooking up a tanpura for what will amount to a 5-second sample. It's convenient, but I much prefer the textural richness of the tanpura. The overall timbre of sitar and tanpura are very close, but the tanpura's sound is so special that a sitar would only be a cheap copy. [Conversely, the sound of the tanpura is close, but no sitar! ;) ] >How about the use of pickups on those instruments? I remember the arabian >musicians using pickups on their instruments for quite a while. Some musicians are using them, especially those who have been to Europe and the States. Of course the sound all depends on what the pickups are plugged into. I've only ever seen two performers (the incredible South Indian mandolin player U. Srinivas and the brilliant South Indian violinist L. Shankar) use amplifiers. Indian music performances currently tend to be severely overamplified. Of course, being part of the third world, the available equipment is very limited. I've seen pickups used on some string instruments like sitar, sarod, and the South Indian veena, but have never seen them used on tabla or other percussion instruments. >Muito obrigado pela contribuicao interessante, Joao! O prazer e todo meu! James (Jaimezinho) Pokorny From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Apr 12 19:13:00 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id TAA13304; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 19:13:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 19:13:00 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <003001be8537$9da6c380$e5b84e0c@u73x0> From: "James Pokorny" To: Subject: Re: Loopable percussion (was: Tabla...) Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 18:55:51 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"LKurV.0.2V2.Vdd4t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5151 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Outra vez, eu ofrezco meus "dois cruzeiros" (I know, Matthias, they're "reales" now, but they were cruzeiros back when I was learning Portuguese !) >James contributed infos more than 2c worth ;-): >>I'm not a tabla player, but do know a bit about the drums, so here's my two >>cents: >> >>>Do you like the defined tonality in other situations or would you actually >>>prefer a modified tabla which has "enough overtones to smooth over obvious >>>harmonic clashes"? Could this be achieved by uneven tension of the skin or >>>irregular form of the black mass (whats its name?) on it? >>>Do we disrespect the milenar indian culture? >> >>That "black mass" (sounds kind of Goth!) on the tabla is called "syahi" in >>Hindi, meaning roughly "blackness." >>This is usually made from rice flour, iron filings, etc. as is applied to >>the skin in many layers over time until it gives the right "ring" to the >>drum. On the treble drum this is essential to tuning, since this drum is >>tuned to the tonic pitch of the vocalist or instrumentalist. In >>non-traditional performance situations this can be very frustrating for the >>"harmonic clash" mentioned above. > >So, since the size of the treble drum is not a problem, could we say that >the syahi only serves for the pitched ring we might not want? >But serious: Why dont we try then to stick such a mass onto some small roto >tom (with a natural skin, probably)? >Out of center or with a non circular form it should ring less and might >aproach a bass drum sound? >In the mass there could be a movement sensitive pickup (not so much a >piezo, which is pressure sensitive). >Maybe a metal piece in it allowes to pick it up with a magnetic pickup >underneeth? Something I neglected to mention about tabla is that the "skin" or drum head is actually three separate layers of skin, of varying thicknesses. This too adds to the brightness and crisp "ring" of the treble drum, when tuned well. The bass drum has far less tension on the skin, as well as a comparatively smaller "syahi" and so is capable of the wonderful-sounding pitch fluctuation produced by varying the pressure of the palm while tapping the head with one's fingertips. I don't see why a similar mass could not be applied even to a plastic drum head. On the other hand, in extremes of humidity, the tabla skins (like any real drum skin) cannot sustain as much tension and go flat, sounding something like an old cardboard box. James From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Apr 12 21:05:12 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id VAA00632; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 21:05:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 21:05:12 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <4.1.19990412201809.00931390@unix01.voicenet.com> X-Sender: floyd@unix01.voicenet.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 20:19:25 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Floyd Miller Subject: Re: odd edp problem In-Reply-To: <036301be852f$df30d870$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"w2xvg3.0.eB6.lre4t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5152 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 05:00 PM 4/12/99 -0500, Dennis W. Leas wrote: >I'd be extremely careful, here. The ground-strap-on-the-ankle will solve >any static problem but touching badly wired equipment may become fatal. >Touch a "hot" mic, for example, and you've got a great current path through >your heart. That's a bad thing. Very bad. Oh jeez, you are right. So perhaps the idea of a grounding pole that you can touch momentarily (while not touching a mic or anything) would be safer. **************** ********** Floyd Miller ****** floyd@voicenet.com **** http://www.voicenet.com/~floyd ** http://www.studiodust.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Apr 12 21:24:43 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id VAA03944; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 21:24:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 21:24:43 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: klaw@pop.iglou.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 20:14:36 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Keenan Lawler Subject: Echoplex input knob repair Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: Resent-Message-ID: <"rKrfu3.0._37.UAf4t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5153 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hello again -i need to replace my input knob on my plex-anybody know what value this is? K From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Apr 13 00:39:32 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id AAA08889; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 00:39:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 00:39:32 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <2.2.32.19990413040827.011d29dc@pop.chromatic.com> X-Sender: kflint@pop.chromatic.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 21:08:27 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Echoplex input knob repair Resent-Message-ID: <"z_T0P1.0.3d7.8Ei4t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5155 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 08:14 PM 4/12/99 -0500, you wrote: >Hello again -i need to replace my input knob on my plex-anybody know what >value this is? K > It's 10K audio taper. kim ________________________________________________________ Kim Flint, MTS 408-752-9284 ATI Research kflint@atitech.com http://www.atitech.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Apr 13 00:46:07 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id AAA11687; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 00:46:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 00:46:07 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990413041401.31500.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [207.93.54.107] From: "El Cono" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Howdy! (or: what is the definition of loneliness?) Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 21:14:01 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"-u8DP3.0.zv7.PJi4t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5156 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi everyone, I am Larry Enos from Des Moines, Iowa. I am going to have lots of questions because I think I am the only loop artist in the city and maybe the state. Here is a quick profile based on the form I think you guys use. NAME: Larry Enos AGE: 31 ADDRESS: box 8173, Des Moines, Iowa 50316 E-MAIL: weave_99@hotmail.com URL: (working on it!!) PRIMARY LOOPING GEAR/SIGNAL CHAIN: Spector NS2A, Korg G5 Bass Synth, Boss HM2, Digitech PDS-8000 8 second delay. INFLUENCES: Frank Zappa, The Beatles, King Crimson, Primus, Igor Stravinsky, JS Bach, Edgard Varese, Doug Wimbish, David Torn. MUSICAL STYLE OR MAIN AREAS OF CONCENTRATION: Jazz, Metal, Smart-Metal(Smashing Pumpkins, Tool, et al), Prog. ENSEMBLES: TBA (formerly Weave, hence the email adress) AVAILABLE RECORDINGS: working on it! PERSONAL STATEMENT: I have been playing guitar on and off since I was about 13. After a long layoff, decided to go with the bass. My big looping epiphany came when I got Fripp's "Exposure" and "Let the Power Fall", which featured Frippertronics. Most of the "looping" experiments have come through Boss DD stompbox hold functions, until recently when I acquired the Digitech 8 second delay stompbox. I love aggressive music, but I still like a little quirkyness to it. The loops give me an extra bit of randomness. I almost think of myself like a DJ; in fact, I would love to get a Whammy Pedal so I can do that 6 octave down, DJ sound. My future plans include work with some hip-hop people, and a Jungle Funk/Headfake duo with my drummer. I am so glad I found this list; you have no idea how lonely it is being an ambient/space bass loop artist in Des Moines, Iowa. Thank you, Larry _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Apr 13 00:35:40 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id AAA07606; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 00:35:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 00:35:40 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Hawkeye255@aol.com Message-ID: <47a256c6.24441af2@aol.com> Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 23:58:42 EDT Subject: Re: odd edp problem To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Reply-To: Hawkeye255@aol.com Resent-Message-ID: <"Mruvm1.0.5N7.88i4t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5154 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Andy, Unless it's extremely cold in your studio, take off your shoes and socks. Even with thick carpeting, you will have no static problems between you (er: your ass) and the gear. Good Loops to you, Hawkeye (aka: Bill Reiter-an old computer & electronics hand) From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Apr 13 02:29:14 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id CAA01340; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 02:29:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 02:29:14 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990413061443.7074.rocketmail@web121.yahoomail.com> Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 23:14:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Bret Subject: Re: odd edp problem To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"VL6Kn3.0.Dk7.Z1k4t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5157 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com The ground strap should have resistance in it's connection to true ground, to limit possible current to the heart. This is what is done with ESD ground straps for electronic manufacturing. Buy a commercial manufacturing ground strap used for ESD protection. They come with wrist band, and wire to connect to ground. Safe resistance is part of the design. bret --- "Dennis W. Leas" wrote: > I'd be extremely careful, here. The > ground-strap-on-the-ankle will solve > any static problem but touching badly wired > equipment may become fatal. > Touch a "hot" mic, for example, and you've got a > great current path through > your heart. That's a bad thing. Very bad. > > Dennis Leas > ----------------------------- > dennis@mdbs.com > -----Original Message----- > From: floyd@voicenet.com > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > > Date: Monday, April 12, 1999 4:16 PM > Subject: Re: odd edp problem > > > >andy@harmonixmusic.com (Andy McGraw) wrote: > >> > >> It took quite a long time before I figured out > the source of the problem. > >> Apparently, while making loops and sitting > (turning, shifting) on my > fuzzy > >> drum throne I generate quite a static charge > between my ass and the seat. > >> ..... > >> Has anyone else experienced a problem like this. > Does anyone have any > >> solutions other than putting a plastic bag around > my drum throne seat? > > > >I haven't run into this but as a solution I would > suggest trying to ground > >your drum throne. That probably wont work. So > your next step is to > >place something well grounded neaby that you can > touch before you touch > >any of your gear. That should discharge you. > Another idea would be to > >get one of those static discharge straps that > electronics technicians > >wear. These are usually worn around the wrist but > you could wear it on > >your ankle - just make sure that it contacts your > skin. Attached to the > >strap is a wire with a clip on the other end. The > wire is usually attached > >to the strap with a push-on snap. > > > >You attach the clip to a good earth ground and snap > the other end to the > >strap wrapped around your ankle. That should keep > static from building up. > >And hopefully wont impede your freedom of motion > too much. > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Apr 13 04:02:31 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id EAA14349; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 04:02:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 04:02:31 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 23:45:45 -0800 From: "Esteban Delgado" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Cc: X-Sent-Mail: off Reply-To: X-Mailer: MailCity Service Subject: Re: Fw: Drum'n Bass questions - Amen X-Sender-Ip: 209.212.192.49 Organization: QUALCOMM Eudora Web-Mail (http://www.eudoramail.com:80) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Izzkc3.0.iy2.OQl4t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5158 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi Leo, > >Amen is a little prog, really nice to create some original ONE bar breaks, >not to sequence a whole tune... ;) Actually, I had a 16-bar sequence going. By manipulating the offsets (changing the colors of the blocks) at the bottom, you can make any number of variations in the drumloop, so that no two measures are alike, if you so choose. The problem is that when you have a long sequence, the offset blocks become tiny in order to fit into the available space, and are thus difficult to work with. > > >If you have Acid I suggest to use this incredible app only, and forget about >Amen. I love ACID, but I haven't really figured out how to work with it as much as I would like to (the tutorial isn't very clear, at least not for a computer idiot such as myself). I certainly intend to continue trying to learn, but there's an immediacy about Amen that I really like. Sometimes a cheap piece of gear just does something for you, you know? A little plug here: I just uploaded a tune created with Acid too. In >particular, all the drum programming is done using Acid. I downloaded your song, but couldn't unzip it. Winzip kept saying "This file is empty", or something like that. I couldn't erase it, either! Any suggestions? I told you I'm a computer idiot... Anyway, many thanks for your helpful suggestions, the drumloop websites, etc. Esteban Delgado >At 19.17 11/04/99 -0800, you wrote: >>Hello all, >>This was a thread on this list a while back; I downloaded the program, and >it is extremely cool, just as the posts said. Thanks for turning me on to >this. I do have a couple of questions, though... >>- >>>>>A nice little program to get you going with d'n'b is AMEN. It's free and >>>>>comes with an amen break!! and you can chop it up and sequence it forever >>>>>very easily within the program, adding differing degrees of randomness >>>etc. >> >>Is it really practical for creating a whole tune's worth of drum >sequencing? My experience thus far has been that if you're going to create >say, a 16-bar sequence, the "offsets" become so tiny that it's almost >impossible to work with them. Do a whole tune, and they would be >microscopic. Can anyone tell me what I'm missing here? >> >>Also, I tried to use ACID loops with Amen but I couldn't, because they were >not in "16-bit mono .wav file format". Is there a way to convert ACID loops >(which as far as I know are indeed .wav files, though they are stereo, and I >don't know how many bits) to 16-bit mono .wav format? >> >>Is there a website where I can download 16-bit mono .wav files of drumloops >(I seem to recall a post about this very thing not too long ago)? >> >> >>>>>I don't think it's being developed any further though, shame. >> >>Shame, indeed. Maybe if we all begged the guy... >> >>Thanks in advance for any and all replies, >> >>Esteban Delgado >> >> >> >>Join 18 million Eudora users by signing up for a free Eudora Web-Mail >account at http://www.eudoramail.com >> >> >> > > Join 18 million Eudora users by signing up for a free Eudora Web-Mail account at http://www.eudoramail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Apr 13 04:41:22 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id EAA19549; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 04:41:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 04:41:22 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Javier Miranda V." To: Subject: RE: new MP3 Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 01:35:11 -0700 Message-ID: <001f01be8588$8bb9ab00$34cbefd1@electra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <19990412155124.14198.rocketmail@web105.yahoomail.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <"NdSCN3.0.3e4.d8m4t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5160 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Go to http://www.cnet.com and look for the MP3 section they have. They have a whole download section. Also go to http://www.download.com and look for MP3 stuff there. The best converter to MP3 I have is CDex, look for that one. -----Original Message----- From: dan sumner [mailto:permadan@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday 12 April 1999 8:51 AM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: new MP3 thanx, Can you give me directions to where I can get it? Dan --- Chris Q wrote:
Dan, try audiograbber. It seems to work pretty well. Music Match it's the hippest that I've seen, it makes mp3>wav, wav > mp3, catalogues titles from it's own online database for free. Oh yeah, it's also about twice as fast as audiograbber or MP3 Compreeor. Let me know how it works out for you..... From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Apr 13 04:31:29 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id EAA18315; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 04:31:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 04:31:29 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Posted-Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 03:24:39 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990413031842.008fc180@POP.VISI.com> X-Sender: zwicky@POP.VISI.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 03:18:42 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Chuck Zwicky Subject: Re: odd edp problem In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990412201809.00931390@unix01.voicenet.com> References: <036301be852f$df30d870$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"I5Zuh.0.yG4.M-l4t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5159 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com You can put a resistor in series with the grounding strap. It will bleed off enough of the residual static build-up and still not pose a heath risk if a ground fault is encountered. Try a 100k resistor. -Chuck Zwicky At 08:19 PM 4/12/99 -0400, you wrote: >At 05:00 PM 4/12/99 -0500, Dennis W. Leas wrote: >>I'd be extremely careful, here. The ground-strap-on-the-ankle will solve >>any static problem but touching badly wired equipment may become fatal. >>Touch a "hot" mic, for example, and you've got a great current path through >>your heart. That's a bad thing. Very bad. > >Oh jeez, you are right. So perhaps the idea of a grounding pole that you >can touch momentarily (while not touching a mic or anything) would be >safer. > > > >**************** > ********** Floyd Miller > ****** floyd@voicenet.com > **** http://www.voicenet.com/~floyd > ** http://www.studiodust.com > > > ........................................................................... The moment of victory is much too short to live for that and nothing else. -Martina Navrtilova From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Apr 13 06:27:39 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id GAA32257; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 06:27:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 06:27:39 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <2.2.32.19990413102038.006cb430@mail.dada.it> X-Sender: cavallo@mail.dada.it X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 12:20:38 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Leo Cavallo Subject: Re: Fw: Drum'n Bass questions - Amen Resent-Message-ID: <"thvsq3.0.Bl7.fhn4t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5161 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com hi >I love ACID, but I haven't really figured out how to work with it as much as I would like to (the tutorial isn't very clear, at least not for a computer idiot such as myself). I certainly intend to continue trying to learn, but there's an immediacy about Amen that I really like. Sometimes a cheap piece of gear just does something for you, you know? yes, you're right, but if you've got the best software around for audio editing why not use it? ;) try this: import a drum loop and use the S key on it. This allows to break the pattern in every slice you want. rearrange the slices and you'll have all the variations you need. > >A little plug here: I just uploaded a tune created with Acid too. In >>particular, all the drum programming is done using Acid. > >I downloaded your song, but couldn't unzip it. Winzip kept saying "This file is empty", or something like that. I couldn't erase it, either! Any suggestions? I told you I'm a computer idiot... strange... the file is LeoCavalloREMIX.zip (3.5 MB) on ftp.teklab.com/teklab/incoming. Other people downloaded without problems... ciao leo > >Anyway, many thanks for your helpful suggestions, the drumloop websites, etc. > >Esteban Delgado > >>At 19.17 11/04/99 -0800, you wrote: >>>Hello all, >>>This was a thread on this list a while back; I downloaded the program, and >>it is extremely cool, just as the posts said. Thanks for turning me on to >>this. I do have a couple of questions, though... >>>- >>>>>>A nice little program to get you going with d'n'b is AMEN. It's free and >>>>>>comes with an amen break!! and you can chop it up and sequence it forever >>>>>>very easily within the program, adding differing degrees of randomness >>>>etc. >>> >>>Is it really practical for creating a whole tune's worth of drum >>sequencing? My experience thus far has been that if you're going to create >>say, a 16-bar sequence, the "offsets" become so tiny that it's almost >>impossible to work with them. Do a whole tune, and they would be >>microscopic. Can anyone tell me what I'm missing here? >>> >>>Also, I tried to use ACID loops with Amen but I couldn't, because they were >>not in "16-bit mono .wav file format". Is there a way to convert ACID loops >>(which as far as I know are indeed .wav files, though they are stereo, and I >>don't know how many bits) to 16-bit mono .wav format? >>> >>>Is there a website where I can download 16-bit mono .wav files of drumloops >>(I seem to recall a post about this very thing not too long ago)? >>> >>> >>>>>>I don't think it's being developed any further though, shame. >>> >>>Shame, indeed. Maybe if we all begged the guy... >>> >>>Thanks in advance for any and all replies, >>> >>>Esteban Delgado >>> >>> >>> >>>Join 18 million Eudora users by signing up for a free Eudora Web-Mail >>account at http://www.eudoramail.com >>> >>> >>> >> >> > > >Join 18 million Eudora users by signing up for a free Eudora Web-Mail account at http://www.eudoramail.com > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Apr 13 07:26:21 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id HAA07683; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 07:26:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 07:26:21 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <19990413041401.31500.qmail@hotmail.com> Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 06:18:16 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Patrick Smith Subject: Re: Howdy! (or: what is the definition of loneliness?) Resent-Message-ID: <"NMad13.0.li1.uXo4t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5162 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com On 4/12/99 larry said: >I am so glad I found this list; you have no idea how lonely it is >being an ambient/space bass loop artist in Des Moines, Iowa. > Welcome Larry, you don't have to b alone anymore. This is a very friendly and informative list. Very gear heavy and sometimes esoteric. For a good introduction to various people's work with looping, you should check out the Looper's Delight Volume 2 CD available from the LD website. I've had a RDS 8000, the rack version of your PDS unit for many years and love it. OF courseI've also loved many jam men, and now a couple of echoplexi, so I guess I'm some type of loop box slut. peace, patrick FingerPaint Primary Colors: BLUE "can be edgy and intense as well as relaxing...." FAQT "fascinating aural images...luminous portraits of sound & vision..." Outburn 8 From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Apr 13 12:28:10 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id MAA23280; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 12:28:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 12:28:10 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990413112822.007bd330@panther.middlebury.edu> X-Sender: mchriste@panther.middlebury.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 11:28:22 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: murkie Subject: Re: Asian instruments In-Reply-To: <002701be8535$ab3523e0$e5b84e0c@u73x0> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"G8JDm2.0.PG3.2Es4t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5163 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >>>>Do they [Indian musicians] use any electronics exept for straight >>>>amplification of their traditional work? i was lucky enough to do a live mix for ali akbar khan about a year ago. it was in a very reflective/reverberant room. no effects were used at all. it was one of the very few musical experiences in my life that sent me litterally running to my looping rig afterwards, trying to harness what he did to my head and heart... another was hearing the takacs quartet do all 6 of bartok's quartets. m ===================================================================== = = = M a r k C h r i s t e n s e n = = Cramped Quarters Studio / Jasperpottamus Music Publishing = = internet: murkie@middlebury.edu = = http://www.middlebury.edu/~mchriste/murkie.html = = = ===================================================================== From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Apr 13 13:29:34 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id NAA02059; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 13:29:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 13:29:34 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <37138072.3C584F9C@borland.com> Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 10:35:46 -0700 From: daniel thomas Organization: Borland.Com, a division of Inprise Corporation X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Asian instruments References: <3.0.5.32.19990413112822.007bd330@panther.middlebury.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"JL4Kn2.0.kC.Mrt4t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5164 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I have had the good fortune of recording many world class Indian musicians. Most Classical indian musicians utilize little or no electronics during live performance though there are a a few western inlfuenced musicians working in the film arena who have made interesting use of stomp boxes and what not. Much of indian film score is heavily processed in post. One interesting Indian musician that has explored the live use of electronics is Ashwin Batish--located in Santa Cruz Ca. His material presents a fusion of classical indian music with electronic loop based grooves. Incidentally, the sounds of the sitar, kanun and other indian stringed instruments tend to be come less exotic when processed with modulation, delay and filtering. Afterall, the sympathetic strings and and buzz timbres of these instruments are really analog, accoustic versions of filtering, and modulation trix. Consequently, I tend to utilize these timbres as is in my own loop based music... Dst murkie wrote: > >>>>Do they [Indian musicians] use any electronics exept for straight > >>>>amplification of their traditional work? > > i was lucky enough to do a live mix for ali akbar khan about a year ago. > it was in a very reflective/reverberant room. no effects were used at all. > > it was one of the very few musical experiences in my life that sent me > litterally running to my looping rig afterwards, trying to harness what he > did to my head and heart... > > another was hearing the takacs quartet do all 6 of bartok's quartets. > > m > > ===================================================================== > = = > = M a r k C h r i s t e n s e n = > = Cramped Quarters Studio / Jasperpottamus Music Publishing = > = internet: murkie@middlebury.edu = > = http://www.middlebury.edu/~mchriste/murkie.html = > = = > ===================================================================== From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Apr 13 15:40:33 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id PAA28388; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 15:40:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 15:40:33 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 12:08:29 -0700 Message-ID: <001C08D5.C21407@wj.com> From: Mike.Biffle@wj.com (Mike Biffle) Subject: Ramayana '99 Performance Dates! To: aplumley@accurategas.com, chillyb@cruzio.com, Clemm@Lintelle.com, dalen@cruzio.com, Joe_Colletti@amat.com, lahatch@dnai.com, papadave55@hotmail.com, Redsail@aol.com, Rem@ucolick.org, richard@fusionnet.com, Leo.Mastrogiovanni@wj.com (Leo Mastrogiovanni), Scott.Walters@wj.com (Scott Walters), Tim.Sanz@wj.com (Tim Sanz), Peter.Clark@wj.com (Peter Clark), Kelley.Lauritzen@wj.com (Kelley Lauritzen), Shawn.Hamilton@wj.com (Shawn Hamilton), Thierry.Luzzi@wj.com (Thierry Luzzi), Kevin.Bladow@wj.com (Kevin Bladow), Shawn.Murphy@wj.com (Shawn Murphy), Cindy.Murphy@wj.com (Cindy Murphy), Jim.Sklenar@wj.com (Jim Sklenar), Kris.Veeck@wj.com (Kris Veeck), Marc.Martinez@wj.com (Marc Martinez), Bill.Lucas@wj.com (Bill Lucas), Keri.Lathrop@wj.com (Keri Lathrop), Michelle.Tripp@wj.com (Michelle Tripp), Bob.Ransom@wj.com (Bob Ransom), Craig.Collins@wj.com (Craig Collins), David.Lanoue@wj.com (David Lanoue), Dan.Cossentine@wj.com (Dan Cossentine), Eric.Vaughan@wj.com (Eric Vaughan), Jim.Tasker@wj.com (Jim Tasker), Jay.DeDontney@wj.com (Jay DeDontney), Jim.Kolk@wj.com (Jim Kolk), Kimberly.Freedman@wj.com (Kimberly Freedman), Lisa.Mansfield@wj.com (Lisa Mansfield), Mike.Walton@wj.com (Mike Walton), Morgan.Libby@wj.com (Morgan Libby), Peter.Elkins@wj.com (Peter Elkins), Susan.Ketterer@wj.com (Susan Ketterer), global@cruzio.net, ericmuhs@yahoo.com, cbm@well.com, dbolle@aol.com, loopers-delight@annihilist.com, metzger@best.com, sbd@cruzio.com, BGay@corp.webtv.net, scottmoon@ncwebsurfer.com, wilicry@global.california.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Resent-Message-ID: <"o3e1Z1.0.cY5.JUv4t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5165 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hello All! It's time once again for that wild 'n wacky Hindu epic, The Ramayana. Mount Madonna Center in conjunction with the Mount Madonna School is proud to present a youth version of this timeless story, acted by the talented students who attend school there. Each year, Mount Madonna Center presents a different version of the play, either acted by students from the school, or in more ambitious years, by adult professionals from the national acting community. The performance this year will be at the Henry J. Mello Center in Watsonville, CA. on the following dates... 4-23, Friday 7:30 Evening Show 4-24, Saturday 7:30 Evening Show 4-25 Sunday 2:00pm Matinee I believe run time with one intermission will be ~3 hours. Prices: $21.00 Front Main Floor 2/3rd's and Orchestra areas $16.00 Rear Main Floor 1/3 and Under Balcony $11.00 Balcony Tickets are only available directly from the Mello Center @ 831.763.4047. They accept most of the usual credit cards. The proceeds for these plays supports the funding of the Mount Madonna School. Wondering why I'm sending this to you all?.. I'm performing in the pit band for this fun event! The play is always entertaining and the kid energy is really great. This is the first exposure to theatre for some of the kids, while others are returning with all the hutzpah of a theatre vetran... (To all LD'ers... I WILL be looping!) Hope you can make it! Best Regards, -Miko Biffle From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Apr 13 16:19:09 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id QAA03674; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 16:19:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 16:19:09 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Fmplautus@aol.com Message-ID: <6d216a49.2444fe38@aol.com> Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 16:08:24 EDT Subject: Re: Ramayana '99 Performance Dates! To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 54 Reply-To: Fmplautus@aol.com Resent-Message-ID: <"To3wK2.0.0U.VJw4t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5166 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi Mike: This is really cool. Live looping and school theatre! Best, Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Apr 13 18:14:27 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id SAA24384; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 18:14:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 18:14:27 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 14:33:02 -0700 Message-ID: <001C0B93.C21407@wj.com> From: Mike.Biffle@wj.com (Mike Biffle) Subject: Re[3]: Ramayana '99 Performance Dates! To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Resent-Message-ID: <"JrH2b.0.W84.ZYx4t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5167 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > Hi Mike: > This is really cool. Live looping and school theatre! > Best, Kevin Thanks Kevin... gotta open those ears while they're young y'know! Of all the music gig's I've done, this has been one of the most enjoyable. best, -Miko From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Apr 13 19:03:15 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id TAA00763; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 19:03:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 19:03:15 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <000a01be85fd$55c449e0$ae944e0c@u73x0> From: "James Pokorny" To: Subject: Re: Re[3]: Ramayana '99 Performance Dates! Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 18:31:11 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"P-4sl2.0.Ej6.PMy4t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5168 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sounds like a lot of fun. One question though: If you cross Jambhavan with Hanuman do you get a Jam-Man? Have a great time. James -----Original Message----- From: Mike Biffle To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Date: Tuesday, April 13, 1999 6:21 PM Subject: Re[3]: Ramayana '99 Performance Dates! >> Hi Mike: >> This is really cool. Live looping and school theatre! >> Best, Kevin > >Thanks Kevin... gotta open those ears while they're young y'know! Of all the >music gig's I've done, this has been one of the most enjoyable. > >best, >-Miko > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Apr 13 19:08:33 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id TAA01963; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 19:08:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 19:08:33 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 00:34:00 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199904132234.AAA22088@mail.euroweb.hu> X-Sender: pop1678@mail.euroweb.hu (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Adam Davidson Subject: Echoplex wanted! Resent-Message-ID: <"tEkGz.0.Uv6.fQy4t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5169 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hello! I'd buy an oberheim echoplex dp with the pedalboard. any offer? adam From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Apr 13 19:11:33 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id TAA02423; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 19:11:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 19:11:33 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Sender: r_t_cummings@csi.com Message-ID: <3713CC1E.FFAA1932@csi.com> Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 00:58:38 +0200 From: Cummings X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [de] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Loopable percussion (was: Tabla...) References: <003001be8537$9da6c380$e5b84e0c@u73x0> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"LTA4I3.0.3e7.bgy4t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5170 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com ok, i suppose this is going a little OT but ... being a drum set player myself, i realized that we drummers do this all the time. for example, we put gaffer tape folded into an accordion shape (just a little) on floor toms, snares, etc to cut out any undesired *rings* (=overtones), especially in studio situations. the drum head manufacturer REMO has produced the black dot series for years. the actual *mass* is much lower than that of the tabla thingy, but it basically serves a similar purpose: eliminating overtones and lowering pitch (btw, this was done a lot more often in the 70's than nowadays). i also have a REMO frame drum with a specially developed head - it really sounds/looks/feels like a natural skin with the big advantage that it isn't humidity or temperature sensitive. has anything like this been developed for tablas? James Pokorny schrieb: > I don't see why a similar mass could not be applied even to a > plastic drum head. On the other hand, in extremes of humidity, > the tabla skins (like any real drum skin) cannot sustain > as much tension and go flat, sounding something like an old cardboard box. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Apr 13 19:56:09 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id TAA09957; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 19:56:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 19:56:09 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990413232117.88485.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [206.129.243.247] From: "Dan Bartell" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Loopable percussion (was: Tabla...) Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 16:21:16 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"IKsOl1.0.u-.G6z4t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5171 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Juerg (creator of the miniTabla) and I are working on a synthetic head with a synthetic gab for the miniTabla. Once we've done that, you could mount a tabla off your drums, hit it with a stick, and not have to worry about damaging the head or the tabla. From: Cummings Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Loopable percussion (was: Tabla...) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 00:58:38 +0200 ok, i suppose this is going a little OT but ... being a drum set player myself, i realized that we drummers do this all the time. for example, we put gaffer tape folded into an accordion shape (just a little) on floor toms, snares, etc to cut out any undesired *rings* (=overtones), especially in studio situations. the drum head manufacturer REMO has produced the black dot series for years. the actual *mass* is much lower than that of the tabla thingy, but it basically serves a similar purpose: eliminating overtones and lowering pitch (btw, this was done a lot more often in the 70's than nowadays). i also have a REMO frame drum with a specially developed head - it really sounds/looks/feels like a natural skin with the big advantage that it isn't humidity or temperature sensitive. has anything like this been developed for tablas? James Pokorny schrieb: > I don't see why a similar mass could not be applied even to a > plastic drum head. On the other hand, in extremes of humidity, > the tabla skins (like any real drum skin) cannot sustain > as much tension and go flat, sounding something like an old cardboard box. _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Apr 13 19:56:42 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id TAA10067; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 19:56:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 19:56:42 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 16:16:58 -0700 Message-ID: <001C0D1F.C21407@wj.com> From: Mike.Biffle@wj.com (Mike Biffle) Subject: Re[5]: Ramayana '99 Performance Dates! To: , "James Pokorny" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Resent-Message-ID: <"u2-yt1.0.741.I9z4t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5172 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > Author: "James Pokorny" at INTERNET > Sounds like a lot of fun. > One question though: > If you cross Jambhavan with Hanuman do you get a Jam-Man? I think they had to pry those two apart with a crowbar last time we did the play! 8-> Ravana, Kumbakarna and Meghnad are the real badass guys where you get to pull out all the EVIL sounds! The Maricha and Sacred Circle scene where Sita gets abducted by the "beggar" is also a long, continuous spell-casting loop w/various moods required over the top... Really fun. best, -m From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Apr 13 21:05:30 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id VAA22432; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 21:05:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 21:05:30 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990414001858.897.rocketmail@web130.yahoomail.com> Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 17:18:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Randy Jones Subject: Re: Echoplex wanted! To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"oAGm8.0.tU3.syz4t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5173 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Let's see, Jamman goes for $700, makes my EDP worth about $7,000 which is way under Kim's 10Gs. Lemme know! Randy Jones --- Adam Davidson wrote: > Hello! > > > I'd buy an oberheim echoplex dp with the > pedalboard. > > any offer? > > adam > > _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Apr 13 21:31:00 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id VAA27325; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 21:31:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 21:31:00 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <2.2.32.19990414005802.00c93110@pop.chromatic.com> X-Sender: kflint@pop.chromatic.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 17:58:02 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Echoplex wanted! Resent-Message-ID: <"ZaBx21.0.6B5.hX-4t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5174 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com yes, but I have a one-of-a-kind "black-face" prototype. Sure to be a collector's item. $10k would be a criminal act, I'll start the bidding at $15k. ;-) and of course I've also got my way-alpha prototype echoplex with spaghetti wiring and such mysterious front panel functions as "hyperspace", "shields", and "torpedoes." I even have some spare faceplates from that run, which sadly, do not fit the production units. As a historical artifact, however, these items are surely near priceless. I'll have to see if Sotheby's is interested.... kim At 05:18 PM 4/13/99 -0700, you wrote: >Let's see, > >Jamman goes for $700, makes my EDP worth about >$7,000 which is way under Kim's 10Gs. > >Lemme know! > >Randy Jones > >--- Adam Davidson wrote: >> Hello! >> >> >> I'd buy an oberheim echoplex dp with the >> pedalboard. >> >> any offer? >> >> adam >> >> > >_________________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > ________________________________________________________ Kim Flint, MTS 408-752-9284 ATI Research kflint@atitech.com http://www.atitech.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Apr 13 22:17:25 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id WAA03136; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 22:17:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 22:17:25 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3713F640.FFC82B91@tamvalley.com> Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 18:58:25 -0700 From: Darrell Adams Reply-To: darrell@tamvalley.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers Delight Subject: newbie's hi hello & ? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"XRjRS3.0.os7.oP_4t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5175 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com hi--just sticking my foot in the water of looping. got into the list via recommendation on the digital performer list i am pretty much a studio-based composer (no live stuff at the moment) and am interested in opinions on what is necessary or cool gear to hook up with a computer-based HD system. I read the article in Looper's Delight about Cubase and MIDI applications, and that is more-or-less the direction I will be going in. Can somebody spare a couple of minutes and educate me? For the record, I run Digital Performer on a Mac (actually Power Tower) that I have upgraded to G3. I use a dedicated hard drive for recording audio. As far as sampling stuff goes, I have the Bitheadz Unity software sampler. Other stuff is pretty much regular MIDI, which is what I'm most comfortable with. thanx in advance for help! best--darrell From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Apr 13 22:25:08 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id WAA04763; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 22:25:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 22:25:08 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <007901be861b$c6004ce0$f0924e0c@u73x0> From: "James Pokorny" To: Subject: Re: Asian instruments Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 22:09:04 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"0xEmM1.0.SQ.cY_4t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5176 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >Incidentally, the sounds of the sitar, kanun and other indian stringed >instruments tend to be come less exotic when processed with modulation, delay >and filtering. Afterall, the sympathetic strings and and buzz timbres of these >instruments are really analog, accoustic versions of filtering, and modulation >trix. >Consequently, I tend to utilize these timbres as is in my own loop based >music... I couldn't agree with you more. Between the specialized "buzzing" jawari bridges and sympathetic strings (as well as the skin faces of instruments like sarod, sarangi, and dilruba) the Indian instruments seem to have incorporated pre-electronic "signal processing." Any additional effects really do tend to mask their natural timbres. This brings up a point about "sound worlds" among the various musical cultures throughout the world. In India there's a definite tendency towards overtone-rich, twangy sounds that are generally considered undesirable in western music (especially in classical music). At a sitar workshop I was giving once, someone asked me "Why does your instrument sound like a bad guitar?" This floored me! It does, when you think about it. But that's a sound quality which is pleasant to Indian ears. Similarly, in many African musical cultures, instruments are equipped with "sizzle mechanisms" such as cowrie shells, bottlecaps, jingling metal rings, etc. to add an extra dimension to the overall sound of the instruments. Whereas in the western tradition we've generally preferred clean and clear sounds from our instruments. It's nice to see that this is changing, and that "noise" can also be incorporated into music. I've even heard tell of Appalachian musicians placing rattlesnake rattles inside their instruments to improve the sound! It don't mean a thang if it ain't got that twang! Really enjoying the input of everyone on the list. James From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Apr 13 23:10:12 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id XAA12415; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 23:10:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 23:10:12 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199904140250.WAA28517@shell.monmouth.com> Reply-To: From: "andre" To: Subject: Re: Asian instruments Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 22:48:33 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"lUkMF.0.IG2.VB05t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5177 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com all this talk of Indian music(ians) has prompted me to point out some music news: _there's a new CD by SHATKI - lotsa great indian fusion by John McLaughlin & friends _the upcoming Pharoah Sanders CD has a TON of great tabla playing by Zakir Hussain... peace and joyous loops to all of you andre' From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 14 00:12:20 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id AAA21622; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 00:12:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 00:12:20 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Kriist@aol.com Message-ID: <58ef66a7.24456b53@aol.com> Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 23:53:55 EDT Subject: error correction To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 Reply-To: Kriist@aol.com Resent-Message-ID: <"Cg8GH1.0.hf4.3715t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5178 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com i was reading the flyer that goes along with the subtropics festival(south floridas new music festival) one of the composers featured performed 'prepared cds' he somehow(hence this inquiry)disabled the error correction function on the cd player he would then put scotch tape with pinholes(one of the things he did)on the cd and play it(i guess hit the thing) he said that it changed the pitch, the timbre, hell, everything so may question to all of you tech savy guys(and gals)out there how hard is it to disable the error correction rodrig From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 14 00:42:12 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id AAA32099; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 00:42:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 00:42:12 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3714188F.B61529DB@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 21:24:47 -0700 From: Clifford Novey X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers Subject: Jam Man Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"HlzOC.0.DO6.OZ15t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5179 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi all- Just got a Jam Man- was supposed to get my EDP today but got some discouraging info- will see if all works out- I just wanted to find out if anyone has the updates to the Jam Man and how it works, how to obtain, etc- Mine has 8 seconds, don't know if that matters- Thanks- Cliff From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 14 04:56:37 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id EAA12114; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 04:56:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 04:56:37 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <58ef66a7.24456b53@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 23:42:00 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: error correction Resent-Message-ID: <"_feQu.0.Tl2.6Q55t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5180 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 8:53 PM -0700 4/13/99, Kriist@aol.com wrote: >i was reading the flyer that goes along with the subtropics festival(south >floridas new music festival) >one of the composers featured performed 'prepared cds' >he somehow(hence this inquiry)disabled the error correction function on the >cd player he would then put scotch tape with pinholes(one of the things he >did)on the cd and play it(i guess hit the thing) >he said that it changed the pitch, the timbre, hell, everything >so may question to all of you tech savy guys(and gals)out there >how hard is it to disable the error correction I played around with this idea once. I think I even mentioned it on the list a long time ago, since it's an interesting way to get some crazy loops. With a little experimentation, you can get some really nutty things to come out of a cd player. My favorite from those days was a bad heavy metal band* cd that I painted lines on with white-out. Then I scraped some of the white-out off so it was fairly spotty. I think it was an iterative thing, really. I painted a bunch on, played it, didn't like it, scrape some off, play again, etc, until I got a good result. For me, the cd player would randomly skip around the disc, getting stuck in tight loops over bits of audio for a while and then skipping randomly again. Sometimes it would actually play a stretch for a little while before skipping off again. Ofentimes I'd have to press buttons on the front to break it out of a loop if it stuck too long. The result sounded like some wild industrial music. Intense, percussive loops would form over little stretches of bad-metal sound, and suddenly switch to a different bad-metal loop. Great fun. A guy I knew then who did this weird college radio show suggested microwaving the cds. I guess it makes lots of sparks before the plastic around the disk shatters, leaving spider webs of lines all over the cd surface. Probably that wreaks havoc on the poor cd laser. Never tried that one, as I would surely starve to death if I blew up the microwave. I don't imagine it's easy to disable error correction in the player. Different manufacturers probably use different error correction algorithms, so I would guess the results differ from machine to machine. However, error correction is only meant to handle bits of dust and small scratches, so any serious damage to the cd should completely overwhelm it. I don't know how the guy would get pitch and timbre changes, but I'm sure you could get all sorts of crazy stuff if you experimented with different cds and cd-mutilation techniques. I say, just grab some crappy cd's and go for it! If you destroy your cd player or any other home appliances in the process, please don't blame me.... *Meliah Rage, remember them? no? They were much better after I finished with them. ;-) ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 14 08:40:49 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id IAA07525; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 08:40:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 08:40:49 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 07:09:24 -0500 (CDT) Sender: crash@waste.org From: Todd Madson To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Toy I Tried Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"reWf32.0.Xf.bN85t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5181 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I tried a Digitech Space Station yesterday. What a cool box. The first 9 presets are variants of the vaunted string pad swell. Amazing sounding stuff. One of the presets sounds EXACTLY like the string pad effect Allan Holdsworth got on the orchestral inter- lude on "The Un-Merry Go Round." Another patch sounds like an Oberheim OB-X, some others have variants with octave above and octave below with delay. Very nice. The next batch of effects are pedal controlled envelope and ring-mod variants. Some really bizzarre chalky, metallic textures can be generated. Another set has some sample and hold fx (ala Zappa's "Ship Ahoy" from the "Shut Up and Play" series).. Some of the other fx defy description. This thing through a Lexicon Vortex would be seriously cool. I'm definetely going to attempt getting one, it's inexpensive and it is made mostly of metal and while it has some patches that some might find odd, it's a pretty cool unit. I handed the guitar I was using to a kid to try out and the stuff he was doing made me laugh it was so strange. -t From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 14 11:14:48 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id LAA06325; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 11:14:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 11:14:48 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <006a01be8686$0f986da0$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: Subject: Re: Asian instruments Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 09:49:55 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"yYh8R2.0.Q_7.8pA5t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5182 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Don't forget the Northern Africa (arabesque) double reeds. Talk about a nice buzzy sound! And real African marimbas usually have a paper-like covering over the resonator tubes which rattles like a kazoo. Dennis Leas ----------------------------- dennis@mdbs.com -----Original Message----- From: James Pokorny To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Tuesday, April 13, 1999 9:25 PM Subject: Re: Asian instruments >>Incidentally, the sounds of the sitar, kanun and other indian stringed >>instruments tend to be come less exotic when processed with modulation, >delay >>and filtering. Afterall, the sympathetic strings and and buzz timbres of >these >>instruments are really analog, accoustic versions of filtering, and >modulation >>trix. >>Consequently, I tend to utilize these timbres as is in my own loop based >>music... > > >I couldn't agree with you more. Between the specialized "buzzing" jawari >bridges and sympathetic strings (as well as the skin faces of instruments >like sarod, sarangi, and dilruba) the Indian instruments seem to have >incorporated pre-electronic "signal processing." Any additional effects >really do tend to mask their natural timbres. > >This brings up a point about "sound worlds" among the various musical >cultures throughout the world. In India there's a definite tendency towards >overtone-rich, twangy sounds that are generally considered undesirable in >western music (especially in classical music). At a sitar workshop I was >giving once, someone asked me "Why does your instrument sound like a bad >guitar?" This floored me! It does, when you think about it. But that's a >sound quality which is pleasant to Indian ears. Similarly, in many African >musical cultures, instruments are equipped with "sizzle mechanisms" such as >cowrie shells, bottlecaps, jingling metal rings, etc. to add an extra >dimension to the overall sound of the instruments. Whereas in the western >tradition we've generally preferred clean and clear sounds from our >instruments. It's nice to see that this is changing, and that "noise" can >also be incorporated into music. I've even heard tell of Appalachian >musicians placing rattlesnake rattles inside their instruments to improve >the sound! > >It don't mean a thang if it ain't got that twang! > >Really enjoying the input of everyone on the list. > >James > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 14 11:42:26 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id LAA18513; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 11:42:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 11:42:26 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3714B7B8.179DDD50@borland.com> Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 08:43:52 -0700 From: daniel thomas Organization: Borland.Com, a division of Inprise Corporation X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Jam Man References: <3714188F.B61529DB@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"GN3n52.0.7N3.UIB5t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5183 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com eight seconds is not enough to do extensive real time looping work. You will want to get the RAM upgrade, unless you intention is to use this device as delay unit only. Another interesting note re 'jam persons': They are not true stereo...all sampled data is collapsed into mono... This makes any real time transition from input stereo audio to loop playback audible. :>( Still, for the money, a cool tool... I have three of them daisy chained off the midi out of my groove box. dst Clifford Novey wrote: > Hi all- > > Just got a Jam Man- was supposed to get my EDP today but got some > discouraging info- will see if all works out- > > I just wanted to find out if anyone has the updates to the Jam Man and > how it works, how to obtain, etc- Mine has 8 seconds, don't know if that > matters- > > Thanks- > > Cliff From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 14 12:16:58 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id MAA00436; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 12:16:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 12:16:58 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: matthias@pop3.bahianet.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <002701be8535$ab3523e0$e5b84e0c@u73x0> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 13:14:08 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Asian instruments Resent-Message-ID: <"G8Erm2.0.UP7.GsB5t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5186 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Obrigado pelo papo gostoso Dr. Pokorny! I have become even more interested in going to India. It seams we could not only learn a lot there but also bring some things... From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 14 12:29:20 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id MAA03155; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 12:29:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 12:29:20 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Reply-To: From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: Subject: RE: error correction Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 09:05:45 -0700 Message-ID: <000701be8690$a775cb40$26ee8fd1@linkexchange.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: <"YDvr53.0.0r6.inB5t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5184 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > >A guy I knew then who did this weird college radio show suggested >microwaving the cds. I guess it makes lots of sparks before the plastic >around the disk shatters, leaving spider webs of lines all over the cd >surface. Probably that wreaks havoc on the poor cd laser. Never tried that >one, as I would surely starve to death if I blew up the microwave. > Microwaved Cds are very beautiful, especially if the dye from the label leaks into the cd. I haven't tried playing any though - all I have are data disks - now I've got to try a music cd. bIz From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 14 12:40:38 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id MAA05451; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 12:40:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 12:40:38 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: matthias@pop3.bahianet.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 13:14:08 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: loop religion Resent-Message-ID: <"rria03.0.DP7.EsB5t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5185 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > I wrote about 5 songs in 1994 from the patterns heard by raindrops, I >have some awesome loops in 13/8, 5/4 etc. > > it IS music Matthias... Thank you Andy! did you hear them as a regular pattern over a longer time? did you get the feeling that they somehow depend on your attention? From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 14 12:54:16 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id MAA08195; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 12:54:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 12:54:16 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199904141644.MAA06186@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Subject: Re: error correction Date: Wed, 14 Apr 99 09:45:46 -0700 x-sender: matt@mail1.xoom.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0, March 15, 1997 From: Matt Peterson To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <"tdj4U1.0.xW1.sNC5t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5187 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com When I worked at Apple Computer we actually tested microwaved CDs and CDRs in Apple's CD-ROM drives. They didn't work. I believe that was after a beer bust. Also, I read somewhere about a guy who disables the muting function of his CD players so he can listen to the sound while the laser skips tracks. He said it was beautiful but I have my doubts. 4/13/99 11:42 PM Kim Flint (kflint@annihilist.com) wrote: >A guy I knew then who did this weird college radio show suggested >microwaving the cds. I guess it makes lots of sparks before the plastic >around the disk shatters, leaving spider webs of lines all over the cd >surface. Probably that wreaks havoc on the poor cd laser. Never tried that >one, as I would surely starve to death if I blew up the microwave. Matt Peterson Project Manager, Media Services XOOM.com, Inc. 300 Montgomery St., 3rd Floor San Francisco CA 94104 415-288-2505 FAX: 415-288-2575 matt@xoom.com NASDAQ: XMCM From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 14 13:44:40 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id NAA18810; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 13:44:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 13:44:40 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <01BE865E.C52D9820@pool043-max3.ds12-ca-us.dialup.earthlink.net> From: Bien Appraisers To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Jam Man Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 09:55:30 -0700 Encoding: 59 TEXT Resent-Message-ID: <"3devV1.0.9o2.ekC5t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5188 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I'm sorry- I was not clear at all- I was referring to the software updates for the Jam Man- The "Sellon" updates - I would like to upgrade the memory for sure- I need to price it to see how much- but I had heard something about a software/rom update and did not know if it was helpful or not- Thanks! Also- someone asked if I was waiting for my EDP through Alto- no I was not- I had an order with a store here in L.A. and Gibson apparently really dropped the ball and is telling me all orders went out and no more production for at least 3 months which means more probably- I was very sad indeed- they tried to say there was never an order but this is completely untrue and the store I ordered through has printed proof to that effect- plus they spoke to Gibson many times before, during, and after the infamous "factory relocation". Any and all "prayer loops" to bring me luck are appreciated whether documented (recorded) or not- ;) Clifford ---------- From: daniel thomas[SMTP:dthomas@inprise.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 1999 8:43 AM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Jam Man eight seconds is not enough to do extensive real time looping work. You will want to get the RAM upgrade, unless you intention is to use this device as delay unit only. Another interesting note re 'jam persons': They are not true stereo...all sampled data is collapsed into mono... This makes any real time transition from input stereo audio to loop playback audible. :>( Still, for the money, a cool tool... I have three of them daisy chained off the midi out of my groove box. dst Clifford Novey wrote: > Hi all- > > Just got a Jam Man- was supposed to get my EDP today but got some > discouraging info- will see if all works out- > > I just wanted to find out if anyone has the updates to the Jam Man and > how it works, how to obtain, etc- Mine has 8 seconds, don't know if that > matters- > > Thanks- > > Cliff From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 14 16:52:51 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id QAA24671; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 16:52:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 16:52:51 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Crossedout@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 16:28:37 EDT Subject: Re: error correction To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 Reply-To: Crossedout@aol.com Resent-Message-ID: <"HCJtr2.0.7z4.ohF5t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5189 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Interesting thread... there's actually a disc out on Vinyl Communications records called "Disc" that's someone's tracks using a distressed cd player, so all you get is the skipping of a disc. Interesting for about 2 minutes..... Although I've rued the day that I didn't have a tape recorder hooked up to record the skipping of a friends disc player... it was playing Kyuss' "Blues for the Red Sun" and one track kept skipping at around 1min 50 to 1min 54 seconds, stuttering back and forth between this 1/2 of a bar, but it WORKED!!!! It sounded so good... Another night, listening to Miles Davis' "On The Corner" on vinyl, talking with a friend, I realized that it wasn't just comping, there was a four bar phrase that had been skipping, with a perfect loop point, for about 25 minutes before we noticed....... - Crossedout@aol.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 14 17:33:54 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id RAA01252; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 17:33:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 17:33:54 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <371501D2.6B02@pop.interport.net> Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 16:00:30 -0500 From: John + Diane Parada Reply-To: jparada@changenow.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Subject: [Fwd: Toy I Tried] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"5CQRv1.0.2a6.X9G5t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5190 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Todd Madson wrote: > > I tried a Digitech Space Station yesterday. > i've had one since i first saw it in the musician's friend cataloug. the name and the pricemade it a must have. with the ebow it's unbelievable. when i first described it to the list i was mocked by some "high endusers" but for those of us with a strat and an ebow this thing is real cool.get one soon.....jp From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 14 18:50:57 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id SAA16715; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 18:50:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 18:50:57 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <001301be86c6$92f92280$c39cd0ab@stu.wesleyan.edu> From: "Jesse Kudler" To: References: Subject: Re: error correction/Nicolas Collins Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 18:30:55 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: <"PFLP21.0.k33.KUH5t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5191 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I've been hearing and reading quite a bit about Nicolas Collins lately (who coincidentally studied at the school I now attend, though that has nothing to do with how I heard about him), but I haven't been able to find his stuff anywhere. However, Kim's remarks reminded me about an interview I read with him where he talks about his modifications to CD's and players. The below is excerpted from a longer interview at http://www.art-bag.net/contd/issue2/collins.htm#f1 By the way, if anyone has more info on Collins or is familiar with his work and where to find it, do share, off-list or on. *** I started to do the CD-skipping-thing in '88 or '89, and used it a lot in live performances, since I tend to do a lot of pieces that are based on processing found sound material. In a nutshell, everything I do has to do with sticking something into a machine and watching it come out different at the other end. I used to work a lot with cassette tapes, I put different material in the left and the right channels and sort of distributed stuff randomly over tape so you would never know exactly what you would get when. And I started using CD players because I could remotely control them very easily, to get access to different parts. I did some modifications in the players just to see if I could manipulate the CD the way you can an LP -- scratching. I came up with a few very simple tricks whereby you can scratch and cue and this kind of stuff. MC: So you do the tricks on the CDs or inside the CD player? NC: In the CD player. In terms of history, there were a number of artists -- most particularly Yasunao Tone, a Japanese artists working in New York, who did pieces where they prepared the CDs themselves. They discovered that if you put crayon marks or cellotape on the CD, you can get it to do all sorts of jingling stuff. But I went inside the CD player and looked, because I suspected -- and I was right -- that the laser was always reading information off the disc, even when you're on pause or moving from track one to track 30. It's always reading information, but the control computer "censors" the output, decides for us what is music (i.e., the clean playback) and what is "noise" (scratching, skipping). So I found that control signal, marked "mute" and I simply flipped that pin off the chip so that it could no longer mute anything. And that opened the door to the inner world of the CD: you could hear anything that the CD-player was doing at any time. Later I got in deeper and started to turning in and off the motor and sled, slow it down, make things go backwards, typical screw-up things. *** -Jesse ----- Original Message ----- From: Kim Flint To: Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 1999 2:42 AM Subject: Re: error correction > > I played around with this idea once. I think I even mentioned it on the > list a long time ago, since it's an interesting way to get some crazy > loops. With a little experimentation, you can get some really nutty things > to come out of a cd player. My favorite from those days was a bad heavy > metal band* cd that I painted lines on with white-out. Then I scraped some > of the white-out off so it was fairly spotty. I think it was an iterative > thing, really. I painted a bunch on, played it, didn't like it, scrape some > off, play again, etc, until I got a good result. For me, the cd player > would randomly skip around the disc, getting stuck in tight loops over bits > of audio for a while and then skipping randomly again. Sometimes it would > actually play a stretch for a little while before skipping off again. > Ofentimes I'd have to press buttons on the front to break it out of a loop > if it stuck too long. The result sounded like some wild industrial music. > Intense, percussive loops would form over little stretches of bad-metal > sound, and suddenly switch to a different bad-metal loop. Great fun. > > A guy I knew then who did this weird college radio show suggested > microwaving the cds. I guess it makes lots of sparks before the plastic > around the disk shatters, leaving spider webs of lines all over the cd > surface. Probably that wreaks havoc on the poor cd laser. Never tried that > one, as I would surely starve to death if I blew up the microwave. > > I don't imagine it's easy to disable error correction in the player. > Different manufacturers probably use different error correction algorithms, > so I would guess the results differ from machine to machine. However, error > correction is only meant to handle bits of dust and small scratches, so any > serious damage to the cd should completely overwhelm it. I don't know how > the guy would get pitch and timbre changes, but I'm sure you could get all > sorts of crazy stuff if you experimented with different cds and > cd-mutilation techniques. > > I say, just grab some crappy cd's and go for it! If you destroy your cd > player or any other home appliances in the process, please don't blame > me.... > > *Meliah Rage, remember them? no? They were much better after I finished > with them. ;-) > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html > http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 14 23:57:34 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id XAA04373; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 23:57:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 23:57:34 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Kriist@aol.com Message-ID: <49a2e32f.2446b8f2@aol.com> Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 23:37:22 EDT Subject: ok, so i microwave the cd, now waht? To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 Reply-To: Kriist@aol.com Resent-Message-ID: <"7QYkm1.0.2Q.L-L5t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5193 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com i toasted up 2 of them but now my cd player wont play them it cant find the talbe of contents how do i get a cd player to play 'prepared' cds and somewhat along these lines i also read in that much talked about book(gravikords etc.....)about circuit bent instrument(playing things by shorting them out for those who havent read the book) i have an old casio in pieces on the floor and i was fidling with that has anybody gone into that with the echoplex and consequently, are there any 'lo-fi'(freaky)echoplex mods(kim?) rodrigo hell, ill throw this in too is anyone interested in selling a vg8? From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 15 00:09:18 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id AAA06293; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 00:09:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 00:09:18 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <4.1.19990414223828.00ade210@mail.winternet.com> X-Sender: r4c@mail.winternet.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 22:40:26 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: "L. Stafford" Subject: Re: error correction/Nicolas Collins In-Reply-To: <001301be86c6$92f92280$c39cd0ab@stu.wesleyan.edu> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"mZZ-M2.0.0M.pyL5t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5192 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 06:30 PM 4/14/99 -0400, you wrote: >I've been hearing and reading quite a bit about Nicolas Collins lately (who >coincidentally studied at the school I now attend, though that has nothing >to do with how I heard about him), but I haven't been able to find his stuff >anywhere. However, Kim's remarks reminded me about an interview I read with >him where he talks about his modifications to CD's and players. The below >is excerpted from a longer interview at >http://www.art-bag.net/contd/issue2/collins.htm#f1 > >By the way, if anyone has more info on Collins or is familiar with his work >and where to find it, do share, off-list or on. > Oval is also another artist that uses CD manipulation to create his work. Surprised no-one has mentioned him yet. http://pages.ripco.com:8080/~vache/ Lorren Stafford Richard For Cerebellum/A Most Happy Sound http://www.winternet.com/~r4c "We ask ourselves whether truly this is the beginning of a new world or whether perhaps the world...is about to perish. There are people who earnestly and seriously fear this, where music becomes the slave of the machine..." From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 15 00:29:12 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id AAA14396; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 00:29:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 00:29:12 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Posted-Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 22:57:31 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990414225507.00943880@POP.VISI.com> X-Sender: zwicky@POP.VISI.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 22:55:07 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Chuck Zwicky Subject: RE: Jam Man In-Reply-To: <01BE865E.C52D9820@pool043-max3.ds12-ca-us.dialup.earthlink .net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"v8uqK2.0.j71.xFM5t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5194 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com The stereo Jam-Man is so incredible! I really hope that Bob Sellon will release this software to the public. At 09:55 AM 4/14/99 -0700, you wrote: >I'm sorry- I was not clear at all- I was referring to the software updates >for the Jam Man- The "Sellon" updates - I would like to upgrade the memory >for sure- I need to price it to see how much- but I had heard something >about a software/rom update and did not know if it was helpful or not- >Thanks! > >Also- someone asked if I was waiting for my EDP through Alto- no I was not- >I had an order with a store here in L.A. and Gibson apparently really >dropped the ball and is telling me all orders went out and no more >production for at least 3 months which means more probably- I was very sad >indeed- they tried to say there was never an order but this is completely >untrue and the store I ordered through has printed proof to that effect- >plus they spoke to Gibson many times before, during, and after the infamous >"factory relocation". > >Any and all "prayer loops" to bring me luck are appreciated whether >documented (recorded) or not- ;) > >Clifford >---------- >From: daniel thomas[SMTP:dthomas@inprise.com] >Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 1999 8:43 AM >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Subject: Re: Jam Man > >eight seconds is not enough to do extensive real time looping work. You >will want to get the RAM upgrade, unless you intention is to use this >device >as delay unit only. > >Another interesting note re 'jam persons': They are not true stereo...all >sampled data is collapsed into mono... This makes any real time transition >from input stereo audio to loop playback audible. :>( > >Still, for the money, a cool tool... I have three of them daisy chained off >the midi out of my groove box. >dst > > >Clifford Novey wrote: > >> Hi all- >> >> Just got a Jam Man- was supposed to get my EDP today but got some >> discouraging info- will see if all works out- >> >> I just wanted to find out if anyone has the updates to the Jam Man and >> how it works, how to obtain, etc- Mine has 8 seconds, don't know if that >> matters- >> >> Thanks- >> >> Cliff > > > > > > > > > ........................................................................... The moment of victory is much too short to live for that and nothing else. -Martina Navrtilova From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 15 00:55:39 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id AAA24227; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 00:55:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 00:55:39 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <37156D03.A12D8894@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 21:37:24 -0700 From: Clifford Novey X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers Subject: Stereo Jam Man Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"kHA983.0.zJ4.6rM5t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5195 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In response to the below: Do you mean a regular Jam Man can be changed to a stereo Jam Man? What does it require? A new chip? Internal modification? Thanks- Cliff ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Chuck Zwickey wrote: The stereo Jam-Man is so incredible! I really hope that Bob Sellon will release this software to the public. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 15 00:57:04 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id AAA24804; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 00:57:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 00:57:04 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <2.2.32.19990415043840.00bf20e4@pop.chromatic.com> X-Sender: kflint@pop.chromatic.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 21:38:40 -0700 To: Kriist@aol.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: ok, so i microwave the cd, now waht? Cc: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Resent-Message-ID: <"HU7ux3.0.qU4.VsM5t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5196 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 11:37 PM 4/14/99 EDT, Kriist@aol.com wrote: >i toasted up 2 of them >but now my cd player wont play them >it cant find the talbe of contents >how do i get a cd player to play 'prepared' cds maybe your cd player is too smart. you might need an old, dumb one that will play anything. >has anybody gone into that with the echoplex >and consequently, are there any 'lo-fi'(freaky)echoplex mods(kim?) My job was trying to fix these problems, not create them! I'll leave this sort of thing to you guys. kim ________________________________________________________ Kim Flint, MTS 408-752-9284 ATI Research kflint@atitech.com http://www.atitech.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 15 01:18:12 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id BAA00783; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 01:18:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 01:18:12 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990415044459.46181.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [205.184.166.93] From: "El Cono" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Addendum/Digitech Echo Plus vs. Zoom 508 Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 21:44:59 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"MkyK02.0.485.1zM5t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5197 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I wanted to correct something in my Bio, I thought I was going to trade for the PDS-8000, but I may stick with my Zoom 508 Delay, it is programmable, but it only has 4 sec instead of 8. Then again, you can screw around with knobs on the fly as well as stop/st-st-stutter on the Digitech. HELP! Do I stay with the Zoom, or trade it for the Digitech? (Sorry if you are reading this, Tom, but the reason I placed the ad for the QY10 was because Music Go Round told me they sold the Digitech, and they hadn't.) Thanks to the people who have mailed me and made me feel at home... Larry _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 15 02:03:53 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id CAA10826; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 02:03:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 02:03:53 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <004e01be8701$56f89000$8b0fab98@stu.wesleyan.edu> From: "Jesse Kudler" To: References: <4.1.19990414223828.00ade210@mail.winternet.com> Subject: Re: error correction/Nicolas Collins Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 01:32:15 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: <"njLq-2.0.O91.feN5t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5198 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com The next Oval CD is apparently going to include software to let you be your own Oval at home: http://www.ovalprocess.com/tst_245/ -Jesse ----- Original Message ----- From: L. Stafford To: Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 1999 11:40 PM Subject: Re: error correction/Nicolas Collins > Oval is also another artist that uses CD manipulation to create his work. > Surprised no-one has mentioned him yet. > http://pages.ripco.com:8080/~vache/ > > > Lorren Stafford > Richard For Cerebellum/A Most Happy Sound > http://www.winternet.com/~r4c > > "We ask ourselves whether truly this is the beginning > of a new world or whether perhaps the world...is about > to perish. There are people who earnestly and seriously > fear this, where music becomes the slave of the machine..." > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 15 02:44:28 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id CAA17669; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 02:44:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 02:44:28 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Posted-Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 01:11:57 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990415010728.008f88f0@POP.VISI.com> X-Sender: zwicky@POP.VISI.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 01:07:28 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Chuck Zwicky Subject: Headrush not Vapor!! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"52xcX2.0.q-2.yDO5t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5201 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com A bass player friend of mine got his Akai Headrush today. He loves it (so far). $199. He says the fidelity seems quite good. ........................................................................... The moment of victory is much too short to live for that and nothing else. -Martina Navrtilova From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 15 02:46:02 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id CAA18252; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 02:46:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 02:46:02 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: klaw@pop.iglou.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 01:29:12 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Keenan Lawler Subject: Re: error correction/Nicolas Collins In-Reply-To: <001301be86c6$92f92280$c39cd0ab@stu.wesleyan.edu> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: Resent-Message-ID: <"eqdau3.0.Qc2.G4O5t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5199 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hello Jeese & all loopers-i agree with yr comments on Nic Collns-hes quite a brillant composer/musician who has done so much innovative work esp his inverse guitar stuff- have you ever seen the kalvos & damien new music bazaar site? check this for a live interview & great music from Collins (as well as a wellspring of great music from many diverse composers ) & some wacky banter in between .Its a huge archive of radio shows from 5 years ago to the present-youll need real audio scroll down the page & click the programm to see the playlist--- http://www.goddard.edu/wgdr/kalvos/shows.html Oedipus Nix July 6 Nicolas Collins, 2 58 Czar Nicolas, the Tunguska Fireball June 29 42 Nicolas Collins, 1 enjoy! K At 06:30 PM 4/14/99 -0400, you wrote: >I've been hearing and reading quite a bit about Nicolas Collins lately (who >coincidentally studied at the school I now attend, though that has nothing >to do with how I heard about him), but I haven't been able to find his stuff >anywhere. However, Kim's remarks reminded me about an interview I read with >him where he talks about his modifications to CD's and players. The below >is excerpted from a longer interview at >http://www.art-bag.net/contd/issue2/collins.htm#f1 > >By the way, if anyone has more info on Collins or is familiar with his work >and where to find it, do share, off-list or on. > >*** >I started to do the CD-skipping-thing in '88 or '89, and used it a lot in >live performances, since I tend to do a lot of pieces that are based on >processing found sound material. In a nutshell, everything I do has to do >with sticking something into a machine and watching it come out different at >the other end. I used to work a lot with cassette tapes, I put different >material in the left and the right channels and sort of distributed stuff >randomly over tape so you would never know exactly what you would get when. >And I started using CD players because I could remotely control them very >easily, to get access to different parts. I did some modifications in the >players just to see if I could manipulate the CD the way you can an LP -- >scratching. I came up with a few very simple tricks whereby you can scratch >and cue and this kind of stuff. > >MC: So you do the tricks on the CDs or inside the CD player? > >NC: In the CD player. In terms of history, there were a number of artists -- >most particularly Yasunao Tone, a Japanese artists working in New York, who >did pieces where they prepared the CDs themselves. They discovered that if >you put crayon marks or cellotape on the CD, you can get it to do all sorts >of jingling stuff. But I went inside the CD player and looked, because I >suspected -- and I was right -- that the laser was always reading >information off the disc, even when you're on pause or moving from track one >to track 30. It's always reading information, but the control computer >"censors" the output, decides for us what is music (i.e., the clean >playback) and what is "noise" (scratching, skipping). So I found that >control signal, marked "mute" and I simply flipped that pin off the chip so >that it could no longer mute anything. And that opened the door to the inner >world of the CD: you could hear anything that the CD-player was doing at any >time. Later I got in deeper and started to turning in and off the motor and >sled, slow it down, make things go backwards, typical screw-up things. >*** > >-Jesse > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Kim Flint >To: >Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 1999 2:42 AM >Subject: Re: error correction > > >> >> I played around with this idea once. I think I even mentioned it on the >> list a long time ago, since it's an interesting way to get some crazy >> loops. With a little experimentation, you can get some really nutty things >> to come out of a cd player. My favorite from those days was a bad heavy >> metal band* cd that I painted lines on with white-out. Then I scraped some >> of the white-out off so it was fairly spotty. I think it was an iterative >> thing, really. I painted a bunch on, played it, didn't like it, scrape >some >> off, play again, etc, until I got a good result. For me, the cd player >> would randomly skip around the disc, getting stuck in tight loops over >bits >> of audio for a while and then skipping randomly again. Sometimes it would >> actually play a stretch for a little while before skipping off again. >> Ofentimes I'd have to press buttons on the front to break it out of a loop >> if it stuck too long. The result sounded like some wild industrial music. >> Intense, percussive loops would form over little stretches of bad-metal >> sound, and suddenly switch to a different bad-metal loop. Great fun. >> >> A guy I knew then who did this weird college radio show suggested >> microwaving the cds. I guess it makes lots of sparks before the plastic >> around the disk shatters, leaving spider webs of lines all over the cd >> surface. Probably that wreaks havoc on the poor cd laser. Never tried that >> one, as I would surely starve to death if I blew up the microwave. >> >> I don't imagine it's easy to disable error correction in the player. >> Different manufacturers probably use different error correction >algorithms, >> so I would guess the results differ from machine to machine. However, >error >> correction is only meant to handle bits of dust and small scratches, so >any >> serious damage to the cd should completely overwhelm it. I don't know how >> the guy would get pitch and timbre changes, but I'm sure you could get all >> sorts of crazy stuff if you experimented with different cds and >> cd-mutilation techniques. >> >> I say, just grab some crappy cd's and go for it! If you destroy your cd >> player or any other home appliances in the process, please don't blame >> me.... >> >> *Meliah Rage, remember them? no? They were much better after I finished >> with them. ;-) >> >> ______________________________________________________________________ >> Kim Flint | Looper's Delight >> kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html >> http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >> >> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 15 03:20:29 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id DAA24265; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 03:20:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 03:20:29 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Posted-Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 01:11:56 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990415010458.008abc30@POP.VISI.com> X-Sender: zwicky@POP.VISI.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 01:04:58 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Chuck Zwicky Subject: Re: Stereo Jam Man In-Reply-To: <37156D03.A12D8894@earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"8Xq2i1.0.e-2.xDO5t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5200 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com The Jam-man was built using a stereo D/A converter and support circuitry. Bob Sellon reworked the O/S to enable multiple, simultaneous loops which may be panned anywhere in the stereo field. I conceptually design my loops using 3 channels, left, center, and right. At 09:37 PM 4/14/99 -0700, Cliffe wrote: >In response to the below: > >Do you mean a regular Jam Man can be changed to a stereo Jam Man? What >does it require? A new chip? Internal modification? > >Thanks- >Cliff >----------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > ........................................................................... The moment of victory is much too short to live for that and nothing else. -Martina Navrtilova From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 15 04:08:58 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id EAA30987; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 04:08:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 04:08:58 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <007901be8713$ef2106c0$8b0fab98@stu.wesleyan.edu> From: "Jesse Kudler" To: References: Subject: Re: error correction/Nicolas Collins Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 03:44:40 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: <"SacpK2.0.ss6.RbP5t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5202 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thanks a lot for the tip. I'm about to check it out. -Jesse ----- Original Message ----- From: Keenan Lawler To: Sent: Thursday, April 15, 1999 2:29 AM Subject: Re: error correction/Nicolas Collins > > Hello Jeese & all loopers-i agree with yr comments on Nic Collns-hes quite > a brillant composer/musician who has done so much innovative work esp his > inverse guitar stuff- have you ever seen the kalvos & damien new music > bazaar site? > > check this for a live interview & great music from Collins (as well as a > wellspring of great music from many diverse composers ) > & some wacky banter in between .Its a huge archive of radio shows from 5 > years ago to the present-youll need real audio > > > scroll down the page & click the programm to see the playlist--- > > > http://www.goddard.edu/wgdr/kalvos/shows.html > Oedipus Nix > July 6 > > Nicolas Collins, 2 > 58 > Czar Nicolas, the Tunguska Fireball > June 29 > 42 > > Nicolas Collins, 1 > > > > enjoy! > > K > > > > > > > > > > > > > At 06:30 PM 4/14/99 -0400, you wrote: > >I've been hearing and reading quite a bit about Nicolas Collins lately (who > >coincidentally studied at the school I now attend, though that has nothing > >to do with how I heard about him), but I haven't been able to find his stuff > >anywhere. However, Kim's remarks reminded me about an interview I read with > >him where he talks about his modifications to CD's and players. The below > >is excerpted from a longer interview at > >http://www.art-bag.net/contd/issue2/collins.htm#f1 > > > >By the way, if anyone has more info on Collins or is familiar with his work > >and where to find it, do share, off-list or on. > > > >*** > >I started to do the CD-skipping-thing in '88 or '89, and used it a lot in > >live performances, since I tend to do a lot of pieces that are based on > >processing found sound material. In a nutshell, everything I do has to do > >with sticking something into a machine and watching it come out different at > >the other end. I used to work a lot with cassette tapes, I put different > >material in the left and the right channels and sort of distributed stuff > >randomly over tape so you would never know exactly what you would get when. > >And I started using CD players because I could remotely control them very > >easily, to get access to different parts. I did some modifications in the > >players just to see if I could manipulate the CD the way you can an LP -- > >scratching. I came up with a few very simple tricks whereby you can scratch > >and cue and this kind of stuff. > > > >MC: So you do the tricks on the CDs or inside the CD player? > > > >NC: In the CD player. In terms of history, there were a number of artists -- > >most particularly Yasunao Tone, a Japanese artists working in New York, who > >did pieces where they prepared the CDs themselves. They discovered that if > >you put crayon marks or cellotape on the CD, you can get it to do all sorts > >of jingling stuff. But I went inside the CD player and looked, because I > >suspected -- and I was right -- that the laser was always reading > >information off the disc, even when you're on pause or moving from track one > > >to track 30. It's always reading information, but the control computer > >"censors" the output, decides for us what is music (i.e., the clean > >playback) and what is "noise" (scratching, skipping). So I found that > >control signal, marked "mute" and I simply flipped that pin off the chip so > >that it could no longer mute anything. And that opened the door to the inner > >world of the CD: you could hear anything that the CD-player was doing at any > >time. Later I got in deeper and started to turning in and off the motor and > >sled, slow it down, make things go backwards, typical screw-up things. > >*** > > > >-Jesse > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: Kim Flint > >To: > >Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 1999 2:42 AM > >Subject: Re: error correction > > > > > >> > >> I played around with this idea once. I think I even mentioned it on the > >> list a long time ago, since it's an interesting way to get some crazy > >> loops. With a little experimentation, you can get some really nutty things > >> to come out of a cd player. My favorite from those days was a bad heavy > >> metal band* cd that I painted lines on with white-out. Then I scraped some > >> of the white-out off so it was fairly spotty. I think it was an iterative > >> thing, really. I painted a bunch on, played it, didn't like it, scrape > >some > >> off, play again, etc, until I got a good result. For me, the cd player > >> would randomly skip around the disc, getting stuck in tight loops over > >bits > >> of audio for a while and then skipping randomly again. Sometimes it would > >> actually play a stretch for a little while before skipping off again. > >> Ofentimes I'd have to press buttons on the front to break it out of a loop > >> if it stuck too long. The result sounded like some wild industrial music. > >> Intense, percussive loops would form over little stretches of bad-metal > >> sound, and suddenly switch to a different bad-metal loop. Great fun. > >> > >> A guy I knew then who did this weird college radio show suggested > >> microwaving the cds. I guess it makes lots of sparks before the plastic > >> around the disk shatters, leaving spider webs of lines all over the cd > >> surface. Probably that wreaks havoc on the poor cd laser. Never tried that > >> one, as I would surely starve to death if I blew up the microwave. > >> > >> I don't imagine it's easy to disable error correction in the player. > >> Different manufacturers probably use different error correction > >algorithms, > >> so I would guess the results differ from machine to machine. However, > >error > >> correction is only meant to handle bits of dust and small scratches, so > >any > >> serious damage to the cd should completely overwhelm it. I don't know how > >> the guy would get pitch and timbre changes, but I'm sure you could get all > >> sorts of crazy stuff if you experimented with different cds and > >> cd-mutilation techniques. > >> > >> I say, just grab some crappy cd's and go for it! If you destroy your cd > >> player or any other home appliances in the process, please don't blame > >> me.... > >> > >> *Meliah Rage, remember them? no? They were much better after I finished > >> with them. ;-) > >> > >> ______________________________________________________________________ > >> Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > >> kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html > >> http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > >> > >> > >> > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 15 04:29:01 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id EAA01028; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 04:29:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 04:29:01 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 10:06:46 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199904150806.KAA11289@mail.euroweb.hu> X-Sender: pop1678@mail.euroweb.hu (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Adam Davidson Subject: Re: Echoplex wanted! Resent-Message-ID: <"X56Pf1.0.wW7.gvP5t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5204 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 05:18 PM 4/13/99 -0700, you wrote: >Let's see, > >Jamman goes for $700, makes my EDP worth about >$7,000 which is way under Kim's 10Gs. > >Lemme know! this is too much ofcourse. i won't pay more than $660 for an used Echoplex DP WITH pedalboard. i've read this list many times, and most of the members got the unit much more cheaper. adam From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 15 04:32:27 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id EAA01724; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 04:32:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 04:32:27 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <37159C52.8E0645EC@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 00:59:14 -0700 From: Clifford Novey X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Stereo Jam Man References: <3.0.6.32.19990415010458.008abc30@POP.VISI.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"yoSmc2.0.9J7.LoP5t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5203 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wow, that sounds great- reminds me of the Vortex how you have things you can do with panning etc with left and right channels- Looks like you are the owner of a rare unit- with the hardware/software mods etc- It's a shame Bob Sellon's work is not available somehow- like "Jam Man Mod in a Box!" I wonder if he has thought about it much- I would definitely be interested! :) Chuck Zwicky wrote: > The Jam-man was built using a stereo D/A converter and support circuitry. > Bob Sellon reworked the O/S to enable multiple, simultaneous loops which > may be panned anywhere in the stereo field. I conceptually design my loops > using 3 channels, left, center, and right. > > At 09:37 PM 4/14/99 -0700, Cliffe wrote: > >In response to the below: > > > >Do you mean a regular Jam Man can be changed to a stereo Jam Man? What > >does it require? A new chip? Internal modification? > > > >Thanks- > >Cliff > >----------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > ........................................................................... > The moment of victory is much too short to live for that and nothing else. > > -Martina Navrtilova From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 15 05:40:45 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id FAA09831; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 05:40:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 05:40:45 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.19990415010458.008abc30@POP.VISI.com> References: <37156D03.A12D8894@earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 02:19:57 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Stereo Jam Man Resent-Message-ID: <"L25Ly.0.Gq1.S-Q5t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5205 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I guess it ought to be noted that the JamMan only has a mono A/D convertor for the loop input. The stereo inputs are summed to mono for the loop. So you can do the panning stuff Chuck mentions, but you don't get "true" stereo, i.e., a stereo input cannot be maintained as stereo in the loop and output again in stereo. I'm sure Bob is a great programmer, but I don't think any amount of clever code is going to change the funky sample/hold mono ADC into a stereo one! :-) kim At 11:04 PM -0700 4/14/99, Chuck Zwicky wrote: >The Jam-man was built using a stereo D/A converter and support circuitry. >Bob Sellon reworked the O/S to enable multiple, simultaneous loops which >may be panned anywhere in the stereo field. I conceptually design my loops >using 3 channels, left, center, and right. > > >At 09:37 PM 4/14/99 -0700, Cliffe wrote: >>In response to the below: >> >>Do you mean a regular Jam Man can be changed to a stereo Jam Man? What >>does it require? A new chip? Internal modification? >> >>Thanks- >>Cliff >>----------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> >> >> > >........................................................................... >The moment of victory is much too short to live for that and nothing else. > >-Martina Navrtilova ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 15 06:06:04 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id GAA12959; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 06:06:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 06:06:04 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3715B1AC.FCC1749@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 02:30:21 -0700 From: Clifford Novey X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers Subject: Midi/Jam Man Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"smAyh3.0.972.l7R5t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5206 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi all- just getting into my new Jam Man and loving it- printed all the pages from the manual and getting on quite well- i have my DR-5 connected via MIDI and triggering drums in tempo with my input- how nice! Problem- in layer mode, as i add more layers the drums begin to sound like I have a phaser on them- layer mode does not retrigger the drums so I can't figure what is happening- I have my guitar into mixer with aux 3 vol up- I have DR-5 into mixer with aux 2 and 3 up- then- I have aux 2 and 3 out on mixer to L/R In on Jam Man then Jam Man L/R Out to Aux 2 and 3 In- from there to my stereo via headphone out. Just hoping someone more versed at the tech side of things might spot something suspicious in this setup- maybe I should just run it mono- Thanks- Cliff From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 15 07:15:45 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id HAA20776; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 07:15:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 07:15:45 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <19990415044459.46181.qmail@hotmail.com> Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 05:47:23 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Patrick Smith Subject: Re: Addendum/Digitech Echo Plus vs. Zoom 508 Resent-Message-ID: <"EKxff3.0.mI4.rGS5t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5207 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > >HELP! Do I stay with the Zoom, or trade it for the Digitech? (Sorry >if you are reading this, Tom, but the reason I placed the ad for the >QY10 was because Music Go Round told me they sold the Digitech, and >they hadn't.) > > When in doubt, figure out a way to buy them all. Just blame it oon GAS! patrick FingerPaint Primary Colors: BLUE "can be edgy and intense as well as relaxing...." FAQT "fascinating aural images...luminous portraits of sound & vision..." Outburn 8 From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 15 08:49:49 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id IAA32384; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 08:49:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 08:49:49 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3715E94F.742AE980@columbia.edu> Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 08:27:46 -0500 From: Morgan Hamilton Lang Reply-To: mhl21@columbia.edu Organization: Columbia University X-Sender: "Morgan Hamilton Lang" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06C-NECCK (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers Delight Subject: etc. Re: ok, so i microwave the cd, now waht? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"PsMHe2.0.407.sfT5t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5208 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >i toasted up 2 of them >but now my cd player wont play them Really? And they're all nice and toasty, too? Maybe some butter or a nice pesto would make everything more palatable. If that doesn't work, you should put the CD player in the microwave, too. Hell, just melt everything. Don't forget to record the sound of the things you're zapping: could be the most interesting part. BZZZZZZT! MHL. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 15 08:55:54 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id IAA01097; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 08:55:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 08:55:54 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199904151242.VAA11194@mail.st.rim.or.jp> Subject: Re: error correction/Nicolas Collins Date: Thu, 15 Apr 99 21:45:41 -0000 x-sender: liminal@mail.st.rim.or.jp x-mailer: Claris Emailer-J 2.0v2 From: Yoshiaki Matsumoto To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <"hQOKX3.0.2j7.6yT5t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5209 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >I've been hearing and reading quite a bit about Nicolas Collins lately (who >coincidentally studied at the school I now attend, though that has nothing >to do with how I heard about him), but I haven't been able to find his stuff >anywhere. If you're studying where I think you are, check out WESU's CD archives or Olin, lots of stuff should be there... Arcane messages aside, there's one called 100 of the World's Most Beautiful Melodies, and another called It Was A Dark And Stormy Night. Both released from Trace Elements Records, 172 E4St. Suite 11D NY, NY 10009. These CDs are from '89 and '92, so I have no idea if the addresses are still valid. Check out a bio on Nicolas Collins at Lovely Records http://www.lovely.com. Some of his earlier works may still be available. His Devil's Music is available on "Century XXI USA1 Electronics " compilation along with Ben Neill, Carl Stone (another loop artist, btw), and Kyle Gann... This one is from Robi Droli -- the contact info according to the CD is: Strada Roncaglia, 16 15040 S. Germano (AL) - Italy Fax (0) 142/50780 As for stuff readily available on the US there's the "Imaginary Landscapes" compilation. It's on Elektra/Nonesuch, Nicolas Collins contributes one track called "Real Electronic Music". As for his most recent appearance, there's a remix he's done on an album called "microstoria: reprovisers". Label is Thrill Jockey, contact info traverse@mcs.net. Other remixes by Oval, MoM, Stereolab, Jim O'Rourke, etc... this one was just released a month or so ago if my memory is correct... Enjoy! From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 15 10:22:43 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id KAA15632; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 10:22:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 10:22:43 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19990415085213.0088e980@tamiu.edu> X-Sender: myoder@tamiu.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 08:52:13 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: "Michael S. Yoder" Subject: Re: Digitech Echo Plus vs. Zoom 508 In-Reply-To: <19990415044459.46181.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"WUvPr1.0.Ss2.j2V5t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5211 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 09:44 PM 4/14/99 PDT, Larry wrote: >I thought I was going totrade for the PDS-8000, but I may stick with my Zoom 508 Delay, it is >programmable, but it only has 4 sec instead of 8. Then again, you can >screw around with knobs on the fly as well as stop/st-st-stutter on >the Digitech. > >HELP! Do I stay with the Zoom, or trade it for the Digitech? Larry, I have the Digitech, and it has one major problem (a few others on this list have concurred:) it drifts sharp in the infinite repeat mode. I'd stick with the Zoom 508, unless you want to spend $139.95 on the Zoom 2100, which does nearly everthing the Digitech does (but in tune), with a 6-second maximum loop, and a 16 second sampler that loops a single part (32 seconds in lo-fi mode.) Michael. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Dr. Michael S. Yoder Assistant Professor of Geography, Coordinator of Urban Studies Texas A&M International University 5201 University Blvd. Laredo, TX 78041 Tel. (956) 326-2634; FAX (956) 326-2464 Internet:myoder@tamiu.edu =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=--=-=-=-== From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 15 10:24:57 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id KAA16106; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 10:24:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 10:24:57 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3715EACB.F86A1E47@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 09:34:04 -0400 From: theorcolus Reply-To: theorcolus@earthlink.net Organization: 144 Music X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.bass,alt.guitar.bass,rec.music.makers.bass,rec.music.makers.jazz,rec.music.bluenote,alt.music.bill-laswell To: avantgarde@onelist.com, zorn-list@lists.xmission.com, Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, "Schaefer, John" CC: Michael Blake , Charley Blass , Theo Bleckmann , Kitty Brazelton , Danny & Nicki Cabiroy , Daniel Carter , John Cassano , Brian Connell , Santi Debriano , Russ DeFilipis , Richard DiBella , Kermit Driscoll , Dominic Duval , Bruce Lee Gallanter , Richard & Anita Gottherer , Kurt Gottschalk , David Greenberg , Marc Greene , Drew Gress , Gerry Hemingway , Mark Hennen , Chris Jisi , Steven Joerg , Toby Kasavan , Erik Lawwrence , Mark Lee , Will Lee , Mike Manieri , Bill Milkowski , Doug Munro , Robert Musso , Josh Shapiro , The Studio , David Tronzo , James Ulmer , Marc Wagnon , Todd Zornow , Aaron Ellington Prado , Chris Speed Subject: Acoustic/Electric Bass Duo 4/16 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"6U0Wx.0.Jz1.MlU5t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5210 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This Friday at The Brecht Forum:122 W. 27th St., 10th Fl. NYC (212)242-4201 There will be a concert featuring the acoustic bass of Dominic Duval and the electric 6 string fretless bass of David C Gross. The concert starts at 8 PM and the other acts on the bill include; Myra Melford and Cooper Moore. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 15 11:00:05 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id LAA22631; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 11:00:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 11:00:05 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Posted-Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 09:29:36 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990415092541.009e26e0@POP.VISI.com> X-Sender: zwicky@POP.VISI.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 09:25:41 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Chuck Zwicky Subject: Re: Stereo Jam Man In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.6.32.19990415010458.008abc30@POP.VISI.com> <37156D03.A12D8894@earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"X7R091.0.RD4.UWV5t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5212 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hey Kim, Sounds like 'the pot calling the kettle black' to me. The EDP has only a single input jack and a single output jack, and even though the D/A in the EDP is a stereo part, one channel is physically disabled! OOOPS! As far as a 'stereo' input, I use my Jam-man with an electric guitar. My guitar produces a MONO output signal. I feel that the ability to control 3 separate loops is far more useful than one 'stereo' loop. Particularly since I can add/remove significant layers of the composition in real time. I guess it ought to be noted that you would need three EDPs, three foot controllers and a MIDI controlled mixer to do what I am able to do with one Jam-Man. -Chuck Zwicky At 02:19 AM 4/15/99 -0700, you wrote: >I guess it ought to be noted that the JamMan only has a mono A/D convertor >for the loop input. The stereo inputs are summed to mono for the loop. So ........................................................................... The moment of victory is much too short to live for that and nothing else. -Martina Navrtilova From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 15 11:25:32 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id LAA27812; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 11:25:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 11:25:32 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Synthblock@aol.com Message-ID: <78e9a1c2.24475937@aol.com> Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 11:01:11 EDT Subject: RE: Headrush not vapor To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 38 Reply-To: Synthblock@aol.com Resent-Message-ID: <"nMjrv2.0.Qm5.x_V5t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5213 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I just got an e-mail from zzounds, and I should have mine in a couple of weeks. I paid $169. Regards, Jonathan (http://members.tripod.com/~synthetic_block) From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 15 11:27:37 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id LAA28397; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 11:27:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 11:27:37 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199904151510.LAA16822@shell.monmouth.com> Reply-To: From: "andre" To: Subject: Vortexes (Vortii??) for sale Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 11:08:45 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"vIrVl.0.eB6.U7W5t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5214 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com apparently there are 2 vortexes at http://www.ugdm.com give a look - good luck -andre' From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 15 12:10:37 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id MAA04817; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 12:10:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 12:10:37 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <37160968.B8323BD3@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 08:44:40 -0700 From: Clifford Novey X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Stereo Jam Man References: <37156D03.A12D8894@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"TkwDm1.0.Tw7.jcW5t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5215 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Yes- I suppose you are right :) Thanks- Cliff Kim Flint wrote: > I guess it ought to be noted that the JamMan only has a mono A/D convertor > for the loop input. The stereo inputs are summed to mono for the loop. So > you can do the panning stuff Chuck mentions, but you don't get "true" > stereo, i.e., a stereo input cannot be maintained as stereo in the loop and > output again in stereo. > > I'm sure Bob is a great programmer, but I don't think any amount of clever > code is going to change the funky sample/hold mono ADC into a stereo one! > :-) > > kim > > At 11:04 PM -0700 4/14/99, Chuck Zwicky wrote: > >The Jam-man was built using a stereo D/A converter and support circuitry. > >Bob Sellon reworked the O/S to enable multiple, simultaneous loops which > >may be panned anywhere in the stereo field. I conceptually design my loops > >using 3 channels, left, center, and right. > > > > > >At 09:37 PM 4/14/99 -0700, Cliffe wrote: > >>In response to the below: > >> > >>Do you mean a regular Jam Man can be changed to a stereo Jam Man? What > >>does it require? A new chip? Internal modification? > >> > >>Thanks- > >>Cliff > >>----------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > >........................................................................... > >The moment of victory is much too short to live for that and nothing else. > > > >-Martina Navrtilova > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html > http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 15 13:11:56 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id NAA16392; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 13:11:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 13:11:56 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990415093714.0174ab90@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: sean_@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 09:37:14 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Sean Subject: Re: Stereo Jam Man In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.19990415092541.009e26e0@POP.VISI.com> References: <3.0.6.32.19990415010458.008abc30@POP.VISI.com> <37156D03.A12D8894@earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"7pMPN2.0.eL2.rKX5t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5216 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com oh yeah? Well you might have your way of doing things, but MINE is best! So there. At 09:25 AM 4/15/99 -0500, someone wrote: > >As far as a 'stereo' input, I use my Jam-man with an electric guitar. My >guitar produces a MONO output signal. I feel that the ability to control 3 >separate loops is far more useful than one 'stereo' loop. Particularly >since I can add/remove significant layers of the composition in real time. > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 15 14:23:32 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id OAA29641; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 14:23:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 14:23:32 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 12:09:20 -0400 Message-Id: <199904151609.MAA25813@sleepy.ebtech.net> X-Sender: stevens@mail.ebtech.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: stevens@ebtech.net (Jane/Mike Stevens) Subject: All Access footcontroller F/S X-Mailer: Resent-Message-ID: <"ntW1R1.0.7a4.43Y5t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5217 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hello I have an All Access footcontroller for sale, it works great with the plex.(switches can be programed as momentary) You can check it out at the Rocktron web site and even download the manual. The list price is about a $1000. I will sell it for $500. plus shipping from MI. Its in great shape and includes the power adapter ,manual and original box. Its never seen the road only the basement. Thankyou Mike Stevens stevens@ebtech.net ph/fax 519-869-8175 From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 15 16:45:40 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id QAA23771; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 16:45:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 16:45:40 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <37163AFA.F2F40790@tamvalley.com> Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 12:16:12 -0700 From: Darrell Adams Reply-To: darrell@tamvalley.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers Delight Subject: newbie questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"_Ti182.0.Dh1.hiZ5t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5218 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com hi--just sticking my foot in the water of looping. got into the list via recommendation on the digital performer list i am pretty much a studio-based composer (no live stuff at the moment) and am interested in opinions on what is necessary or cool gear to hook up with a computer-based HD system. I read the article in Looper's Delight about Cubase and MIDI applications, and that is more-or-less the direction I will be going in. Can somebody spare a couple of minutes and educate me? For the record, I run Digital Performer on a Mac (actually Power Tower) that I have upgraded to G3. I use a dedicated hard drive for recording audio. As far as sampling stuff goes, I have the Bitheadz Unity software sampler. Other stuff is pretty much regular MIDI, which is what I'm most comfortable with. thanx in advance for help! best--darrell From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 15 20:00:59 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id UAA22654; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 20:00:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 20:00:59 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <37167C5A.94128835@borland.com> Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 16:55:06 -0700 From: daniel thomas Organization: Borland.Com, a division of Inprise Corporation X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Midi/Jam Man References: <3715B1AC.FCC1749@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"9QSMZ1.0.Fo4.4bd5t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5220 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com you are recording the output of the drum machine into the jamman. This is the problem. You needn't record the DR-5 into the loop as it runs in sync with the loop. Dig it? dst Clifford Novey wrote: > Hi all- just getting into my new Jam Man and loving it- printed all the > pages from the manual and getting on quite well- > i have my DR-5 connected via MIDI and triggering drums in tempo with my > input- how nice! > Problem- in layer mode, as i add more layers the drums begin to sound > like I have a phaser on them- layer mode does not retrigger the drums so > I can't figure what is happening- > I have my guitar into mixer with aux 3 vol up- I have DR-5 into mixer > with aux 2 and 3 up- then- > I have aux 2 and 3 out on mixer to L/R In on Jam Man then Jam Man L/R > Out to Aux 2 and 3 In- from there to my stereo via headphone out. > > Just hoping someone more versed at the tech side of things might spot > something suspicious in this setup- maybe I should just run it mono- > > Thanks- > Cliff From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 15 19:46:41 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id TAA20428; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 19:46:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 19:46:41 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <371675D5.59C4D62B@borland.com> Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 16:27:17 -0700 From: daniel thomas Organization: Borland.Com, a division of Inprise Corporation X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Stereo Jam Man References: <3.0.6.32.19990415010458.008abc30@POP.VISI.com> <37156D03.A12D8894@earthlink.net> <3.0.6.32.19990415092541.009e26e0@POP.VISI.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"CNyVr1.0.va3.bAd5t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5219 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I dont get it. the jaman sports a Mono D/A--what software upgrade could enable this and how can I get three of them? dst Chuck Zwicky wrote: > Hey Kim, > > Sounds like 'the pot calling the kettle black' to me. The EDP has only a > single input jack and a single output jack, and even though the D/A in the > EDP is a stereo part, one channel is physically disabled! OOOPS! > > As far as a 'stereo' input, I use my Jam-man with an electric guitar. My > guitar produces a MONO output signal. I feel that the ability to control 3 > separate loops is far more useful than one 'stereo' loop. Particularly > since I can add/remove significant layers of the composition in real time. > > I guess it ought to be noted that you would need three EDPs, three foot > controllers and a MIDI controlled mixer to do what I am able to do with one > Jam-Man. > > -Chuck Zwicky > > At 02:19 AM 4/15/99 -0700, you wrote: > >I guess it ought to be noted that the JamMan only has a mono A/D convertor > >for the loop input. The stereo inputs are summed to mono for the loop. So > > ........................................................................... > The moment of victory is much too short to live for that and nothing else. > > -Martina Navrtilova From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 15 21:37:11 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id VAA07403; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 21:37:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 21:37:11 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199904160107.VAA27993@ulster.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 21:02:43 -0400 Subject: My EDP can kick your JamMan's ass... From: "jmw/cmu" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"nkMtT.0.UX.Vpe5t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5222 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >I guess it ought to be noted that you would need three EDPs, three foot >controllers and a MIDI controlled mixer to do what I am able to do with one >Jam-Man. It should be noted that you need the Bob Sellon Stealh Bomber update in order to do what Chuck is doing with his JamMan. Of course, Kim could release the fabled Area 51 EDP software upgrade and change the face of looping as we know it. ;-) jmw From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 15 21:42:59 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id VAA08515; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 21:42:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 21:42:59 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Jax1723@aol.com Message-ID: <2f26e365.2447ea81@aol.com> Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 21:21:05 EDT Subject: cheap samplers To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Reply-To: Jax1723@aol.com Resent-Message-ID: <"9hXnO3.0.bD1.84f5t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5223 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com anyone know much about cheap samplers? i need to buy one and i'm not sure what is good value for the bucks. been looking at the boss dr sample and the yamaha su10 (both sell for about $300 in mus.friend) or possibly spending a bit more and getting the akai s10 (or is it s20?) which sells for about $550. does anyone have any experience with any of these??? what's good/bad etc. should i look for something more high-end used? just want to get into sampling and looping more... all i have now is an old 1/4 in. reel to reel machine i loop with. any input about the above mentioned machines would be greatly appreciated. thanks jax1723@aol.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 15 21:48:50 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id VAA09870; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 21:48:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 21:48:50 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <006601be87a4$2fa855a0$571bbfa8@default> Reply-To: "Collins" From: "Collins" To: Subject: Fw: Musicworks #73 Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 20:58:03 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"oMhq22.0.hD.rie5t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5221 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I thought all of you into strange and beautiful music would enjoy this. Its a great magazine from Canada. Jeff -----Original Message----- From: Musicworks To: sound@musicworks-mag.com Date: Thursday, April 15, 1999 12:12 PM Subject: Musicworks #73 >Musicworks respects your privacy. If you do not wish to receive any >further messages regarding our publication please respond with the word >"remove" in the subject or body of the email. > >--------------------------------------------------- >Our new issue is out! >Subscribers should expect to receive their copies soon. >Anyone who wishes to receive a sample copy of the magazine may contact >us >at: > >Musicworks Magazine & Compact Disc >179 Richmond Street West Toronto, ON CANADA M5V1V3 >t:416-977-3546 f:416-204-1084 sound@musicworks-mag.com >http://www.musicworks-mag.com > > MUSICWORKS 73 > Winds of Change > >The articles in MUSICWORKS 73 are concerned with the >relationship between instruments and the process by >which music is made. The opening article describes >traditional music from Borneo. Two contrasting >approaches to electronic instruments-two different and >original concepts of possible creative process-are >evident in Brian Eno's Music for Airports and David >Tudor'sVirtual Focus sound table. In playing Stefan >Wolpe's Battle Piece David Tudor confronts the extreme >technical limits of the piano and brings both the piece >and the instrument into a different musical context. > > > >One is reminded of Morton Feldman's phrase "a new >metaphysical place" by which he meant going beyond the >traditional attitude to musical technique and formal >logic. He was interested in the painterly immediacy of >the instrument as an unmediated source of >intelligent/spiritual sound. Stefan Wolpe had brought >that perception from the Bauhaus to his students, and >David Tudor understood it profoundly. > > Gayle Young, > Editor > > > ARTICLE SUMMARIES > > > Winds of Change > by Randy Raine-Reusch > >Raine-Reusch helps salvage some endangered musical >traditions and instruments in a distant jungle world. >The cultural practices and contexts that support >traditional music in Borneo are disappearing, and as a >result so too are rituals and musical practices. Randy >Raine-Reusch has succeeded in gaining recognition for >the music both in Borneo and internationally. A high >level of technical virtuosity is heard (on the MW 73 CD) >when Catherine Uson Kehing plays a tube zither using >only raised strands of bamboo bark held in tension by >inserted bridges. > > ------------------------------------------- > > Working with David Tudor > by Stuart Dempster > > A renowned new music trombonist recalls touring and > performing with David Tudor, John Cage, David Behrman > and Takehisa Kosugi. In 1993 Tudor asked Dempster to > compose a piece for the Merce Cunningham Dance Company. > Dempster describes an open and encouraging community of > musicians which did have some "rules" including the > instruction: "Thou shalt not turn down another person's > gain." The CD for this issue includes two trombone > pieces by Dempster, recorded in dramatically > reverberant spaces. > > ------------------------------------------- > > David Tudor's Virtual Focus > by Matt Rogalsky > > & > > David Tudor's Sound Table > > by Adam Barker-Mill > > > >A rare Tudor artifact provides clues to the secrets of >his performance practice. Virtual Focus is the title >David Tudor gave to a work he created in 1990. The piece >is still intact and is an ideal case study of Tudor's >late musical practice. The CD for MUSICWORKS 73 includes >two excerpts from a 1990 performance by David Tudor, and >several examples from a recording of the sound table >made by Matt Rodalsky in 1999. > > ------------------------------------------- > > Composing the Performer: Tudor Remembers Stefan Wolpe > by Austin Clarkson > >David Tudor, the peerless interpreter of avant-garde >piano repertoire, recalls his unique relationship to >Stefan Wolpe. Austin Clarkson has done important and >thorough research on composer Stefan Wolpe which >included five days of interviews with David Tudor, who >first interpreted Wolpe's landmark composition, The >Battle Piece. The only known recording of Tudor >performing this piece, a 1957 copy of a radio broadcast, >is on the MW 73 CD. > > ------------------------------------------- > > Eno's Music for Airports > by Chris Twomey > > Process or Preference. The New Music ensemble Bang on a > Can released an arrangement of Eno's founding "ambient" > album, Music For Airports, which puts new focus on his > artistic roots in experimental music. Eno has been > given credit as a pop visionary, as a producer, and as > a video artist, and now also as a serious thinker about > music. > > ------------------------------------------- > > Time...On Dit > > The Nature of Image > by Stan Brakhage > >With this column, filmmaker Stan Brakhage concludes his >"Time on dit" feature in Musicworks. The series began >early in 1990, with a column on time and film in issue >No. 45, and continued with further writing about film >and its relation to the other arts. > > ------------------------------------------- > ------------------------------------------------------ > ------------------------------------------------------ > > CD CONTENTS > > ------------------------------------------- > >[1] Standing Waves (excerpt/ extrait) (1976) (3:38) > >by/ de Stuart Dempster; performed by/ interprt par >Stuart Dempster, trombone > >The first note is the loudest and should be >overpowering. This single first note, after I stop >playing, continues for fourteen seconds into silence >just before the next note. You will eventually learn to >tell when I quit playing and leave only the echo, but at >first you may be deceived. This piece appears on Stuart >Dempster in the Great Abbey of Clement VI, originally >released on an Arch Records LP (#S-1775); rereleased on >New Albion (CD#013). > > La premire note est la plus forte et devrait tre >trs puissante. Aprs avoir cess de jouer, cette >premire note se prolonge pendant quatorze secondes dans >le silence jusqu' la note suivante. Au dbut, vous vous >mprendrez peut-tre mais vous serez ensuite capable de >distinguer le moment o je cesse de jouer et ne laisse >entendre que l'cho. On retrouve cette pice sur le >disque &laqno;Stuart Dempster in the Great Abbey of >Clement VI, paru prcdemment sur tiquette Arch >Records (#S-1775) et rdit sur tiquette New Albion >(CD#013). > > ------------------------------------------- > >[2] Morning Light (1994) (9:53) > >by/ de Stuart Dempster; performed by/ interprt par >Stuart Dempster, solo trombone, with nine other >trombonists/ trombone solo accompagn de neuf autres >trombonistes. > >This recording took place in a large underground >cistern, a 186 foot diameter concrete water tank with a >forty-five second reverberation. This piece appears on >Underground Overlays from the Cistern Chapel, New Albion >(CD#076). > > Cet enregistrement a t ralis dans une norme >citerne de bton de 186 pieds de diamtre produisant une >rverbration de 45 secondes. La pice est parue sur >&laqno;Underground Overlays from the Cistern Chapel, >sur tiquette New Albion (CD#076). > > > >Tracks [1] and [2] used by permission of Deep Listening >Publications, publisher >and New Albion Records . > > Les plages [1] et [2] sont publies ici avec >l'autorisation de l'diteur Deep Listening Publications, > et de New Albion Records >. > > ------------------------------------------- > >[3] Kulit The (1998) (1:17) > >Performed on the lutong (a bamboo tube zither) by >Catherine Uson Kehing at Long San, a Kenyah longhouse >found on the banks of the Upper Baram River in Eastern >Sarawak, Malaysia. Catherine's exact age is unknown, but >she is considered to be over eighty. She is one of the >last lutong players who remembers a large number of >pieces, and has been playing since she was a teenage >girl. The old lutong was said to have only two strings, >but now it has four to six strings. Catherine plays a >four string version. This recording was made on December >29th, 1998 during the first naming ceremony in more than >17 years at Long San. > > Interprt par Catherine Uson Kehing au lutong >(cithare tubes de bambou) Long San, une >&laqno;longue maison Kenyah situe sur les rives de la >rivire Haut-Baram dans le Sarawak oriental en Malaisie. >Bien qu'on ne connaisse pas l'ge exact de Catherine, on >estime qu'elle a plus de 80 ans. Elle compte parmi les >derniers joueurs de lutong possder un vaste >rpertoire de pices, qu'elle joue depuis son >adolescence. On dit que l'ancien lutong ne possdait que >deux cordes, mais il en compte maintenant de quatre >six. Catherine en utilise un quatre cordes. Cet >enregistrement a t ralis le 29 dcembre 1998, durant >une crmonie qui n'avait pas eu lieu depuis 17 ans >Long San. > > ------------------------------------------- > >[4] Sebu (recorded December 29th, 1998/ enregistr le 29 >dcembre 1998) (1:10) > >Performed on the lutong by Catherine Uson Kehing at Long >San Baram/ Interprt par Catherine Uson Kehing au >lutong Long San, Baram. > > ------------------------------------------- > >[5] Dak Lekukan (recorded New Years Day 1998/ enregistr >au Jour de l'an 1998) (4:04) > >Performed on the keledi by Emang Ajang at Long Laput, a >Kayan longhouse in the lower Baram region of eastern >Sarawak. At eighty six, Emang is still well known >throughout the mid and lower Baram regions for his large >repertoire and skill on the keledi, a six pipe gourd and >bamboo mouth organ. Emang is also one of the few >surviving makers of the keledi, also known as a keluri >or enkulurai. It was used to lead both men's and women's >longdances, but is close to extinction. > > Interprt par Emang Ajang au keledi Long Laput, une >&laqno;longue maison Kayan situe dans la rgion du >Bas-Baram dans le Sarawak oriental. 86 ans, Emang est >toujours clbre dans les rgion du Bas et Moyen-Baram >pour son rpertoire et son talent au keledi, un orgue >bouche six tuyaux, fait d'une calebasse et de bambou. >Emang est galement un des derniers fabricants vivants >du keledi, appels galement keluri ou enkulurai. >L'instrument tait utilis pour diriger les danses des >hommes et des femmes, mais il est presque disparu. > >[6] Lung Liung (1998) (7:32) > >sung by Mering Jok and accompanied by Ajang Jok, and >Uloi Jok. Mering Jok has been called the Shakespeare of >Sarawak for his highly developed skill of extemporaneous >song writing. Although the forms of these songs are >known, the lyrics are usually impromptu, a difficult >feat in itself, but here compounded by aspects of rhyme >and meter. Recorded Jan 1st 1998, after staying up to >four a.m. the evening before listening to Mering sing an >epic song that lasted over an hour and a half. The >subject of this song included Raine-Reusch coming to >record his singing. > > chant par Mering Jok et accompagn par Ajang Jok et >Uloi Jok. On a surnomm Mering Jok le &laqno;Shakespeare >du Sarawak pour son immense talent d'auteur de chansons >impromptues ou improvises. Bien que les formes de ces >chansons soient connues, les paroles sont en gnral >improvises, un exploit difficile en soi mais rendu >encore plus complexe ici par la mtrique et la rime. >Enregistr le 1er janvier 1998 aprs une courte nuit et >une soire passe couter Mering chanter un chant >pique d'une dure d'une heure et demi. Cette chanson >porte entre autres sur la venue de Raine-Reusch dans le >but d'enregistrer Mering. > > ------------------------------------------- > >[7] Jaw Harp (recorded 1989, Long Kejaman Lasa on the >Belaga River, central Sarawak/ enregistr en 1989 Long >Kejaman Lasa sur la rivire Belaga, Sarawak central) >(2:14) > >Performed on the tuwang, a reed jaw harp, by an unnamed >Kejaman woman in her sixties. Jaw harps were used as >both personal instruments and between lovers, but the >tradition of playing them has almost completely >disappeared. > > Jou au tuwang, une sorte d'harmonica anches par une >femme Kejaman inconnue dans la soixantaine. Ces >harmonicas taient utiliss comme instruments personnels >et entre amoureux mais cette tradition s'est presque >compltement teinte. > > ------------------------------------------- > >[8] Nose Flute (recorded/ enregistr en 1989, Long >Kejaman Lasa) (2:05) > >Performed on the selingut, a bamboo nose flute, by the >same woman who played jaw harp in track [7]. Nose flutes >were an important part of courting and funeral rituals >in many regions of Sarawak, yet the tradition has >totally disappeared in the Belaga region since this >recording was made. > > Jou au selingut, une flte nasale de bambou, par la >mme femme qui jouait l'harmonica sur la plage [7]. Ces >fltes taient utilises pour faire la cour et lors des >rituels funraires dans de nombreuses rgions du Sarawak >bien que cette tradition soit compltement disparue de >la rgion de Belaga depuis la ralisation de cet >enregistrement. > >Tracks [3] to [6] were made by Randy Raine-Reusch with >the aid and sponsorship of Tamar Holdings Sdn. Bhd., The >Canadian Society of Asian Arts, Pan Records and >Malaysian Airlines. Tracks [7] and [8] were made by >Randy Raine-Reusch, with the aid of the Canada Council >for the Performing Arts. > > Les plages [3] [6] ont t ralises par Randy >Raine-Reusch grce l'aide financire de Tamar Holdings >Sdn. Bhd., la Canadian Society of Asian Arts, Pan >Records et la compagnie Malaysian Airlines. Les plages >[7] et [8] ont t ralises par Randy Raine-Reusch, >avec l'appui du Canada Council for the Performing Arts. > > ------------------------------------------- > >[9] to [18] Virtual Focus (1990) (18: 28) > >by/ de David Tudor > >Performed and recorded by/ interprt et enregistr par >Matt Rogalsky, January 9, 1999, Southampton, UK. > >Ten sections were excerpted from a continuous 90-minute >improvisation on David Tudor's sound table, Virtual >Focus. > > Dix sections ont t tires d'une improvisation de 90 >minutes sur la &laqno;table sonore de David Tudor >Virtual Focus. > > ------------------------------------------- > >[9] (2:52) > >[10] (0:39) > >[11] (2:28) > >[12] (2:14) > >[13] (1:30) > >[14] (4:05) > >[15] (1:07) > >[16] (0:58) > >[17] (1:35) > >[18] (0:54) > >Sounds to listen for: (1) the original kite lines source >material, heard a few seconds into the first excerpt and >again later; (2) kite lines source material processed >through audio gate and then through auto-filter pedals-a >very dynamic combination since the envelope and >sensitivity of the gate and the filter tracking >characteristics can be changed on the fly; (3) very high >and low frequency sounds from ultrasonic motion >detectors focused on Jackie Monnier's hanging sculpture, >and processed through pitch shifters and filters; (4) >"zippering" sounds of radar modules focused for this >recording on the movements of the performer; (5) moving >spatialization of sounds using the stereo and quad >panning processors. > > Sons couter : (1) le matriau sonore original >entendu pendant quelques secondes dans le premier >extrait et nouveau plus tard. (2) Le matriau original >pass travers un circuit-dclencheur (gate) et un >dispositif de filtres - les possibilits de modifier en >temps rel l'enveloppe et la sensibilit du >circuit-dclencheur ainsi que les caractristiques de >dpistage des filtres rendent ce systme trs dynamique. >(3) Des sons de hautes et de basses frquences >dclenchs par des dtecteurs de mouvement ultrasoniques >dirigs sur la sculpture suspendue de Jackie Monnier et >traits au moyen de filtres et de dispositifs de >transposition de hauteurs. (4) Des sons mis par des >modules radar dirigs, pour cet enregistrement, sur les >mouvements de l'interprte. (5) Spatialisation des sons >au moyen de processeurs panoramiques strophoniques et >quadraphoniques. > > ------------------------------------------- > >[19] and [20] Virtual Focus (1990) (3:03) > >by/ de David Tudor > >Performed by David Tudor with the Merce Cunningham Dance >Company in Paris, 1990, used courtesy of the Cunningham >Dance Foundation Archives. > > Interprt par David Tudor avec la Merce Cunningham >Dance Company Paris en1990, enregistrement utilis >avec l'autorisation des Cunningham Dance Foundation >Archives. > >[19] (0:57) opening of the 28-minute performance/ dbut >de la performance de 28 minutes > >[20] (2:06) closing of the performance/ fin de la >performance > > ------------------------------------------- > >[21 to [27] Battle Piece (1947) (20:44) > >by/ de Stefan Wolpe > >Performed by David Tudor, probably in 1956. This is the >only known recording of David Tudor performing Stefan >Wolpe's Battle Piece. The tape was taken directly from a >radio broadcast in Germany-intermittent radio >interference is evident. > > Interprt par David Tudor, probablement en 1956. Il >s'agit du seul enregistrement connu de David Tudor >jouant Battle Piece de Stefan Wolpe. Cette bande a t >tire de la diffusion d'une mission la radio >allemande, ce qui explique les interfrences radio >intermittentes. > >[21] (2:57) Part 1 > >[22] (1:44) Part 3 > >[23] (4:54) Part 4 > >[24] (4:12) Part 2 > >[25] (0:52) Part 5 > >[26] (2:10) Part 6 > >[27] (3:55) Part 7 > > ------------------------------------------- > > --------------------------------------------------- > >-- > >Sincerely, > >Marisa Iacobucci >Musicworks >179 Richmond St. W. >Toronto, ON M5V 1V3 >CANADA >http://www.musicworks-mag.com >mailto:sound@musicworks-mag.com > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 15 22:47:28 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id WAA20192; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 22:47:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 22:47:28 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199904160227.WAA16841@rosy.yourwebhost.com> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 22:26:49 -0400 Subject: Roland GR-1 From: "Tommy Kochel" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"KZ4z73.0.O74.i0g5t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5224 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I just inherited a Roland GR-1. I notice that the manual mentions looping and that it can be used as a sequencer, yet I cannot find anywhere in the manual where it mentions the amount of time I have for looping (how many seconds of real time). Can anyone help me out here? Please mail me privately, as I'm joining the mailing list as I write this. Tommy Kochel stickist@jazz.lover.org 0 # //> X-Sender: kflint@pop.chromatic.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 20:12:47 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Stereo Jam Man Resent-Message-ID: <"L0CG_.0.C06.zhg5t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5225 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com hmm, wow! quite a chip on your shoulder there, Chuck. I actually wasn't thinking about the echoplex at all in noting this mono thing. Just that lots of people on the list have been confused by the stereo input and output jacks on the JamMan. People frequently thought this must mean the loop is also stereo, when it isn't, and a lot of folks were upset to discover this after they bought the thing. So when you started talking about "stereo JamMan", I just wanted to clarify things before we went through that whole scene again. as for your amusingly tangential echoplex jabs: At 09:25 AM 4/15/99 -0500, Chuck Zwicky wrote: >Sounds like 'the pot calling the kettle black' to me. The EDP has only a >single input jack and a single output jack, and even though the D/A in the >EDP is a stereo part, one channel is physically disabled! OOOPS! yes, the echoplex is mono. It's advertised as mono, has mono input, mono output, mono, mono, mono, mono a mono. I don't think it's any secret. Why our design decisions from 5 years ago provoke such hostility in you is beyond me, but since the codec troubles you so much, perhaps a little explanation will help: Matthias' original LoopDelay, from Paradis in '92, was mono. When we were updating it for the Oberheim version at G-WIZ Labs, a big goal was trying to reduce the cost since the original design was rather expensive. For the ADC/DAC, we found that the most cost effective solution with decent audio performance was the Crystal CS4248/CS4231a audio codec parts. These fit onto our processor bus very easily and allowed us to remove a lot of parts from the old design and cut a lot of costs out. So it was a great choice of part, and even had nice features like built in volume controls, DC blocking filters, anti-alias filters, etc. It happened that by that time, almost all digital audio parts were stereo anyway, so there was never any option of a mono ADC/DAC. So we had the extra channel there in the codec with no use for it. Since we were trying cut costs, not add them, putting in a lot of additional analog parts and adding a lot of board area just to connect up an unused audio channel would have been stupid. That would have just increased the price of the whole thing, and users would be paying for stuff that they couldn't use. That would have been a very poor engineering decision, which is why we didn't make it. If we had wanted to do true stereo at that time in the echoplex, it would have actually cost considerably more than the analog parts and board area, since we would have needed to use a beefier CPU instead of our dirt-cheap 68000, and add a lot more memory. The resulting cost would have been much too high to fit the market we were targeting at the time. >As far as a 'stereo' input, I use my Jam-man with an electric guitar. My >guitar produces a MONO output signal. I feel that the ability to control 3 >separate loops is far more useful than one 'stereo' loop. Particularly >since I can add/remove significant layers of the composition in real time. Well, of course people do lots of different things. For most people "stereo loops" means you can put a stereo signal into the loop and it will still be stereo when it comes out. I think a lot of people here use a great deal of effects before the looper, resulting in stereo signals. Obviously, they would want to be able to loop that in stereo. We accomodated that with the echoplex by making it possible to use two of them locked together as a stereo pair. Our sync scheme with the BrotherSync connection even syncs the sample clocks together, which is nice and prevents any odd phase problems. You do have to get two, which is not so great, but it's true stereo. Of course you can do much more than stereo with multiple echoplexes. Since you have complete control over each loop, and a nice user interface on each one, you have a good environment for serious multitrack looping. Also, you can put effects and eq independently on each loop input and output. With the BrotherSync, you can share syncs between all of them, allowing any of them to set the basic loop time for the others to sync to (or sync in multiples to it). And you can share your echoplexes with your friends for loop jams, all sync'd together like Brothers. ;-) To me, these things are much more fun than boring old stereo, but I actually use stereo all the time because it's just very practical. >I guess it ought to be noted that you would need three EDPs, three foot >controllers and a MIDI controlled mixer to do what I am able to do with one >Jam-Man. Actually, just one midi pedal with a continuous controller input is all you need for this. Have each echoplex on a different midi channel and use a different bank on your pedal for each one. Loop volume out of the echoplex can be controlled with continous controllers, so it's easy to set the volume on each one to mix them. Or do some of the simple footpedal mods that people have discussed in the past, allowing the Oberheim pedal to be toggled between different units. Personally, I find it is much easier to control multiple loops with multiple control surfaces, since it is very clear which thing you are controlling and it is much faster. Plus, you can simultaneously do different actions on the different loops without having to fool around with anything on the controller. Much nicer user interface for me, if I was using Bob's jamman thing I'd want to do the same. I have to wonder, for what you are doing, why waste time with the JamMan at all? Seems like a lot of bother with limited memory, constrained I/O, lack of U/I, and weird midi control. Why not use something like the Roland SP-808? Or Acid on a laptop? Seems like those are much better suited to it. kim ________________________________________________________ Kim Flint, MTS 408-752-9284 ATI Research kflint@atitech.com http://www.atitech.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 15 23:39:59 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id XAA29093; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 23:39:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 23:39:59 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3716AB1D.135CEE3B@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 20:14:37 -0700 From: Clifford Novey X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Midi/Jam Man References: <3715B1AC.FCC1749@earthlink.net> <37167C5A.94128835@borland.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"p9cj_3.0.a36.Rjg5t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5226 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I DIG IT! Thank you very much- Cliff daniel thomas wrote: > you are recording the output of the drum machine into the jamman. This is > the problem. You needn't record the DR-5 into the loop as it runs in sync > with the loop. Dig it? > dst > > Clifford Novey wrote: > > > Hi all- just getting into my new Jam Man and loving it- printed all the > > pages from the manual and getting on quite well- > > i have my DR-5 connected via MIDI and triggering drums in tempo with my > > input- how nice! > > Problem- in layer mode, as i add more layers the drums begin to sound > > like I have a phaser on them- layer mode does not retrigger the drums so > > I can't figure what is happening- > > I have my guitar into mixer with aux 3 vol up- I have DR-5 into mixer > > with aux 2 and 3 up- then- > > I have aux 2 and 3 out on mixer to L/R In on Jam Man then Jam Man L/R > > Out to Aux 2 and 3 In- from there to my stereo via headphone out. > > > > Just hoping someone more versed at the tech side of things might spot > > something suspicious in this setup- maybe I should just run it mono- > > > > Thanks- > > Cliff From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 16 00:19:10 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id AAA03623; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 00:19:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 00:19:10 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Hawkeye255@aol.com Message-ID: <13f6ad73.24480b06@aol.com> Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 23:39:50 EDT Subject: Re: Roland GR-1 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Reply-To: Hawkeye255@aol.com Resent-Message-ID: <"20i5l.0.VA7.06h5t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5227 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com On the GR-1 you can loop midi sequences (or phrases) virtually forever, as long as the power stays on. It is not a sample-based looping device. It is a sequencer (& sound module and guitar midi interface). BTW: I really enjoyed mine, wish now I'd kept the damn thing. good luck and loops to you hawkeye From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 16 00:57:15 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id AAA17612; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 00:57:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 00:57:15 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Posted-Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 23:20:59 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990415225444.00793360@POP.VISI.com> X-Sender: zwicky@POP.VISI.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 22:54:44 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Chuck Zwicky Subject: Re: Stereo Jam Man In-Reply-To: <371675D5.59C4D62B@borland.com> References: <3.0.6.32.19990415010458.008abc30@POP.VISI.com> <37156D03.A12D8894@earthlink.net> <3.0.6.32.19990415092541.009e26e0@POP.VISI.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"0fPQY2.0.oA1.zhh5t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5228 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com The Jam-man had a stereo D/A, and is already wired for stereo (The PC board is similar to the ALEX and Vortex). The software is being developed by Bob Sellon. At 04:27 PM 4/15/99 -0700, you wrote: >I dont get it. the jaman sports a Mono D/A--what software upgrade could enable >this and how can I get three of them? >dst > >Chuck Zwicky wrote: > >> Hey Kim, >> >> Sounds like 'the pot calling the kettle black' to me. The EDP has only a >> single input jack and a single output jack, and even though the D/A in the >> EDP is a stereo part, one channel is physically disabled! OOOPS! >> >> As far as a 'stereo' input, I use my Jam-man with an electric guitar. My >> guitar produces a MONO output signal. I feel that the ability to control 3 >> separate loops is far more useful than one 'stereo' loop. Particularly >> since I can add/remove significant layers of the composition in real time. >> >> I guess it ought to be noted that you would need three EDPs, three foot >> controllers and a MIDI controlled mixer to do what I am able to do with one >> Jam-Man. >> >> -Chuck Zwicky >> >> At 02:19 AM 4/15/99 -0700, you wrote: >> >I guess it ought to be noted that the JamMan only has a mono A/D convertor >> >for the loop input. The stereo inputs are summed to mono for the loop. So >> >> ........................................................................... >> The moment of victory is much too short to live for that and nothing else. >> >> -Martina Navrtilova > > > > > ........................................................................... The moment of victory is much too short to live for that and nothing else. -Martina Navrtilova From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 16 00:59:04 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id AAA18337; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 00:59:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 00:59:04 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199904160424.XAA20129@mail.netdirect.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 23:24:20 -0500 Subject: eno as (gasp!) songwriter! From: "mister gone" To: "looper's delight" Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"18XnX.0.pW1.Elh5t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5229 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >> Eno's Music for Airports >> by Chris Twomey >> >> Process or Preference. The New Music ensemble Bang on a >> Can released an arrangement of Eno's founding "ambient" >> album, Music For Airports, which puts new focus on his >> artistic roots in experimental music. Eno has been >> given credit as a pop visionary, as a producer, and as >> a video artist, and now also as a serious thinker about >> music. this is news? eno co-wrote the triptich of bowie records he produced, wrote great pop songs with roxy, and penned the coolest bauhaus song ever - "third uncle." in other words, "duh." ______________________________ _______________________________ - j . e r i c s h a l l o p "just act like we're a couple - eshallop@netdirect.net in love - spanning time." "you're weird." (saddest new kid on the block) - buffalo '66 From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 16 01:45:29 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id BAA31380; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 01:45:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 01:45:29 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Kriist@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 01:21:56 EDT Subject: novatone? To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 Reply-To: Kriist@aol.com Resent-Message-ID: <"IpEzI1.0.Rk6.2ci5t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5230 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com one of the bass teachers at my school has a bass that has the novatone removalbe fretboard system anybody have one? know of if their still around know anybody that does that sort of work rodrigo From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 16 02:28:02 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id CAA06884; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 02:28:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 02:28:02 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3716D08E.A8EC2849@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 22:54:22 -0700 From: Clifford Novey X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers Subject: Jam Man Noise Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"i9iV_.0.GG.C3j5t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5231 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi all- I am happy to say i should have my EDP by early next week for sure- i am glowing- in the meantime I am excited and having fun using my Jam Man, but I have noticed something that worries me- I noticed some static noise every time a loop began- to trace it I disconnected everything from the unit except for the Out- no input or Midi whatsoever- and whenever i create a loop I get this static noise- my output was set on like 6 and when I turn the output down a bit the noise subsides considerably- I was interested to see what other Jam Man owners have experienced in this area- I am hoping it is not a flawed unit, but the alternative is that it simply has marginal sound quality- I have to say i love it though- I may even expand the memory but my EDP will have 198 sec so I will wait to order- i found a number on Loopers for Chips for less and they will overnight for $95- I was curious and found out from Frye's- a large parts store- that the 20 pin memory used to sell for $5 each when they used to stock them- supply and demand folks- it can be a bitch- ;) I love layering and harmonizing melody lines- just fun,fun,fun- I have a small coffee house gig tomorrow night and will bring it with my drum machine- create an instrumental interlude and just do it- Also- the intelligent dialog on this list is great- Kim got it goin' on too- props! ;) I think it is pretty damn unique that we get to har from and interact with one of the creators of something we all treasure so- I never got to talk to the designers of my Kawasaki or any of the luthiers that built my guitars! Although hearing that the EDP has CS software makes me cringe- my cheap Midiman sound card uses CS drivers and every so often the dissappear and need to be reinstalled- although it is more than likely my system- I just don't like independent software coupled with different brand hardware- call me ignorant- se' la vie'- Cliff From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 16 03:16:21 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id DAA14606; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 03:16:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 03:16:21 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Posted-Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 01:54:35 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990416013648.00938210@POP.VISI.com> X-Sender: zwicky@POP.VISI.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 01:36:48 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Chuck Zwicky Subject: Re: Stereo Jam Man In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.19990416031247.009e38b4@pop.chromatic.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"lMx3f.0.Jt2.zxj5t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5233 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Kim, You never miss an opportunity to post condescending remarks about the Jam-Man. I don't think that I have a chip on my shoulder, nor any hostility towards the EDP. I am a consumer. I am free to make choices about what I use. I have no vested interest in either the Jam-Man or the EDP. I use the Sellon-upgrade o/s in my Jam-Man and It provides me with he ability to quickly try various arrangement ideas and actually have three channels to work with. I often send a stereo signal to the Jam-Man. I have found that the analog stereo dry path is invaluable. The ability to have three loops going in different stereo positions adds enough spaciousness to the output, so I don't particularly miss the ability to input in stereo. >I have to wonder, for what you are doing, why waste time with the JamMan at >all? Seems like a lot of bother with limited memory, constrained I/O, lack >of U/I, and weird midi control. Why not use something like the Roland >SP-808? Or Acid on a laptop? Seems like those are much better suited to it. I actually find the Jam-Man user interface quite streamlined and very fast to use. I previously posted my thoughts on Jam-Man/EDP vs software. The bottom line is that you don't need to take your hands off the instrument to work them. I have ACID and find that they don't allow the real time recording and looping required for un-interrupted creative flow. Too much editorial work involved. I do improv, all of these devices are designed for composing using pre-existing sound files. The device that really interests me is the Eventide DSP4000. A friend owns one, it has many amazing looping possibilities. ........................................................................... The moment of victory is much too short to live for that and nothing else. -Martina Navrtilova From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 16 03:24:21 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id DAA15624; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 03:24:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 03:24:21 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Reply-To: From: "Javier Miranda V." To: Subject: RE: Stereo Jam Man Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 23:44:32 -0700 Message-ID: <000501be87d4$95df2bc0$7708d1d1@electra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19990415093714.0174ab90@pop.mindspring.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <"mwuAK.0.aK2.soj5t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5232 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com What the hell kind of answer was that? Someone is making perfect sense. I wish the EDP would do that. Three separate loops is where it's at. Well, maybe Sean is joking. -----Original Message----- From: Sean [mailto:sean_@mindspring.com] Sent: Thursday 15 April 1999 9:37 AM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Stereo Jam Man oh yeah? Well you might have your way of doing things, but MINE is best! So there. At 09:25 AM 4/15/99 -0500, someone wrote: > >As far as a 'stereo' input, I use my Jam-man with an electric guitar. My >guitar produces a MONO output signal. I feel that the ability to control 3 >separate loops is far more useful than one 'stereo' loop. Particularly >since I can add/remove significant layers of the composition in real time. > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 16 07:09:11 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id HAA07461; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 07:09:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 07:09:11 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199904161043.GAA04033@rosy.yourwebhost.com> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 06:42:36 -0400 Subject: Re: Jam Man Noise From: "Tommy Kochel" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"pcP6Y1.0.C_.VHn5t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5234 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > Hi all- > > I am happy to say i should have my EDP by early next week for sure- i am > glowing- > Where the hell did you find one?! Tommy Kochel 0 # //> From: miguel.barella@poyry.com.br (MAT) Subject: Re:Jam Man Noise To: Loopers Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Resent-Message-ID: <"UoaIF1.0.XO5.hno5t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5235 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >in the meantime I am excited and having fun using my Jam Man, but I have >noticed something that worries me- >I noticed some static noise every time a loop began This is the answer I got from Bob Sellon when I reported a similar problem with my Jam Man, I hope it helps to understand... Miguel " There are two possible causes for the noise I can think of; one you can fix the other you can't. When Jamman is slaved to an external MIDI clock it determines the end of the loop by itself based on the tempo of the clock and the number of beats selected on the front panel. If the operator tries to end the loop manually, the resulting loop will very likely be shorter than it should be. When the loop is too short, Jamman restarts the loop twice: once when the end of the loop (time) is detected and once when the correct number of MIDI clocks has come in. The solution is to let Jamman close the loop by itself (DON'T tap a second time). This will get the loops size to it's best fit. The second cause is based on the jitter on the incoming MIDI clocks and the resolution of Jamman itself. At best, Jamman can lock in a loop size to within half a millisecond (512us). The problem is that most MIDI clock sources have jitter (timing variations) in the same neighborhood. After the loop time is locked in, the priority in Jamman is to stay in perfect sync with the incoming MIDI clock. The problem is that the combined half millisecond resolution of Jamman and the jitter on the incoming clock result in the actual size of the loop changing very slightly every time through. As the loop size changes, Jamman either shortens the loop or replays the very beginning of the loop to compensate resulting in potential clicks and pops. With the PC itself being slaved the jitter gets worse and so do the clicks and pops. As I said, there is currently no work-around for this other than, as you said, not playing anything at the loop edge. The only other thing I can suggest (which is equally klugey), is to place something percussive at the splice point which will tend to mask the noise. I am looking at the problem, however, and will let you know if I come up with anything. If anyone out there has any suggestions on how to deal with this, I'd love to hear it. Bob Sellon " From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 16 10:12:33 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id KAA30379; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 10:12:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 10:12:33 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <371738B8.84AC4156@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 09:18:48 -0400 From: theorcolus Reply-To: theorcolus@earthlink.net Organization: 144 Music X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V99 #159 References: <199904160710.DAA13840@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"YzPMN.0.gJ3.hbp5t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5236 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I had a Novatone bass but eventually sold it because the glue on the magnetic strip keep coming loose. To bad they went out of business. It was a great idea! David C Gross Loopers-Delight-d-request@annihilist.com wrote: > Subject: > > Loopers-Delight-d Digest Volume 99 : Issue 159 > > Today's Topics: > Re: Midi/Jam Man [ Clifford Novey Re: Roland GR-1 [ Hawkeye255@aol.com ] > Re: Stereo Jam Man [ Chuck Zwicky eno as (gasp!) songwriter! [ "mister gone" novatone? [ Kriist@aol.com ] > Jam Man Noise [ Clifford Novey > Administrivia: > Looper's Delight > **************** > > Please send posts to: > > Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > > Don't send them to the digest! > > To subscribe/unsubscribe to the Loopers-Delight digest version, send email > with "subscribe" (or "unsubscribe") in both the subject and the body, with no > signature files, to: > > Loopers-Delight-d-request@annihilist.com > > To subscribe/unsubscribe to the real Loopers-Delight list, send email > with "subscribe" (or "unsubscribe") in both the subject and the body, with no > signature files, to: > > Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > > Check the web page for archives and lots of other goodies! > > http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html > > Your humble list maintainer, > > Kim Flint > kflint@annihilist.com > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: Re: Midi/Jam Man > Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 20:14:37 -0700 > From: Clifford Novey > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > > I DIG IT! > > Thank you very much- > > Cliff > > daniel thomas wrote: > > > you are recording the output of the drum machine into the jamman. This is > > the problem. You needn't record the DR-5 into the loop as it runs in sync > > with the loop. Dig it? > > dst > > > > Clifford Novey wrote: > > > > > Hi all- just getting into my new Jam Man and loving it- printed all the > > > pages from the manual and getting on quite well- > > > i have my DR-5 connected via MIDI and triggering drums in tempo with my > > > input- how nice! > > > Problem- in layer mode, as i add more layers the drums begin to sound > > > like I have a phaser on them- layer mode does not retrigger the drums so > > > I can't figure what is happening- > > > I have my guitar into mixer with aux 3 vol up- I have DR-5 into mixer > > > with aux 2 and 3 up- then- > > > I have aux 2 and 3 out on mixer to L/R In on Jam Man then Jam Man L/R > > > Out to Aux 2 and 3 In- from there to my stereo via headphone out. > > > > > > Just hoping someone more versed at the tech side of things might spot > > > something suspicious in this setup- maybe I should just run it mono- > > > > > > Thanks- > > > Cliff > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: Re: Roland GR-1 > Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 23:39:50 EDT > From: Hawkeye255@aol.com > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > > On the GR-1 you can loop midi sequences (or phrases) virtually forever, as > long as the power stays on. It is not a sample-based looping device. It is > a sequencer (& sound module and guitar midi interface). BTW: I really > enjoyed mine, wish now I'd kept the damn thing. > > good luck and loops to you > hawkeye > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: Re: Stereo Jam Man > Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 22:54:44 -0500 > From: Chuck Zwicky > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > > The Jam-man had a stereo D/A, and is already wired for stereo (The PC board > is similar to the ALEX and Vortex). > > The software is being developed by Bob Sellon. > > At 04:27 PM 4/15/99 -0700, you wrote: > >I dont get it. the jaman sports a Mono D/A--what software upgrade could > enable > >this and how can I get three of them? > >dst > > > >Chuck Zwicky wrote: > > > >> Hey Kim, > >> > >> Sounds like 'the pot calling the kettle black' to me. The EDP has only a > >> single input jack and a single output jack, and even though the D/A in the > >> EDP is a stereo part, one channel is physically disabled! OOOPS! > >> > >> As far as a 'stereo' input, I use my Jam-man with an electric guitar. My > >> guitar produces a MONO output signal. I feel that the ability to control 3 > >> separate loops is far more useful than one 'stereo' loop. Particularly > >> since I can add/remove significant layers of the composition in real time. > >> > >> I guess it ought to be noted that you would need three EDPs, three foot > >> controllers and a MIDI controlled mixer to do what I am able to do with one > >> Jam-Man. > >> > >> -Chuck Zwicky > >> > >> At 02:19 AM 4/15/99 -0700, you wrote: > >> >I guess it ought to be noted that the JamMan only has a mono A/D convertor > >> >for the loop input. The stereo inputs are summed to mono for the loop. So > >> > >> ........................................................................... > >> The moment of victory is much too short to live for that and nothing else. > >> > >> -Martina Navrtilova > > > > > > > > > > > > ........................................................................... > The moment of victory is much too short to live for that and nothing else. > > -Martina Navrtilova > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: eno as (gasp!) songwriter! > Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 23:24:20 -0500 > From: "mister gone" > To: "looper's delight" > > >> Eno's Music for Airports > >> by Chris Twomey > >> > >> Process or Preference. The New Music ensemble Bang on a > >> Can released an arrangement of Eno's founding "ambient" > >> album, Music For Airports, which puts new focus on his > >> artistic roots in experimental music. Eno has been > >> given credit as a pop visionary, as a producer, and as > >> a video artist, and now also as a serious thinker about > >> music. > > this is news? eno co-wrote the triptich of bowie records he produced, wrote > great pop songs with roxy, and penned the coolest bauhaus song ever - "third > uncle." > > in other words, "duh." > > ______________________________ _______________________________ > - j . e r i c s h a l l o p "just act like we're a couple - > eshallop@netdirect.net in love - spanning time." > "you're weird." > (saddest new kid on the block) - buffalo '66 > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: novatone? > Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 01:21:56 EDT > From: Kriist@aol.com > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > > one of the bass teachers at my school has a bass that has the novatone > removalbe fretboard system > anybody have one? > know of if their still around > know anybody that does that sort of work > > rodrigo > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: Jam Man Noise > Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 22:54:22 -0700 > From: Clifford Novey > To: Loopers > > Hi all- > > I am happy to say i should have my EDP by early next week for sure- i am > glowing- > > in the meantime I am excited and having fun using my Jam Man, but I have > noticed something that worries me- > > I noticed some static noise every time a loop began- to trace it I > disconnected everything from the unit except for the Out- no input or > Midi whatsoever- and whenever i create a loop I get this static noise- > my output was set on like 6 and when I turn the output down a bit the > noise subsides considerably- I was interested to see what other Jam Man > owners have experienced in this area- I am hoping it is not a flawed > unit, but the alternative is that it simply has marginal sound quality- > I have to say i love it though- I may even expand the memory but my EDP > will have 198 sec so I will wait to order- i found a number on Loopers > for Chips for less and they will overnight for $95- I was curious and > found out from Frye's- a large parts store- that the 20 pin memory used > to sell for $5 each when they used to stock them- supply and demand > folks- it can be a bitch- ;) > I love layering and harmonizing melody lines- just fun,fun,fun- I have a > small coffee house gig tomorrow night and will bring it with my drum > machine- create an instrumental interlude and just do it- > > Also- the intelligent dialog on this list is great- Kim got it goin' on > too- props! ;) I think it is pretty damn unique that we get to har from > and interact with one of the creators of something we all treasure so- I > never got to talk to the designers of my Kawasaki or any of the luthiers > that built my guitars! Although hearing that the EDP has CS software > makes me cringe- my cheap Midiman sound card uses CS drivers and every > so often the dissappear and need to be reinstalled- although it is more > than likely my system- I just don't like independent software coupled > with different brand hardware- call me ignorant- se' la vie'- > > Cliff From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 16 10:47:50 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id KAA08023; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 10:47:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 10:47:50 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <37170E69.68C4BE16@iconcapital.com> Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 10:18:17 +0000 From: bethany cassin X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Stereo Jam Man References: <3.0.6.32.19990416013648.00938210@POP.VISI.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Eamlb2.0.Kq7.uQq5t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5237 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Now Chuck just because Kim is expressing his opinion you don't need to take it to heart. Why don't you two just kiss and make up? Oh, by the way, let's start yet another thread on "Jamman"... is it Jamman, or Jaman? Begin. Forever yours, Bethany Chuck Zwicky wrote: > Kim, > You never miss an opportunity to post condescending remarks about the > Jam-Man. I don't think that I have a chip on my shoulder, nor any hostility > towards the EDP. I am a consumer. I am free to make choices about what I > use. I have no vested interest in either the Jam-Man or the EDP. I use the > Sellon-upgrade o/s in my Jam-Man and It provides me with he ability to > quickly try various arrangement ideas and actually have three channels to > work with. > > I often send a stereo signal to the Jam-Man. I have found that the analog > stereo dry path is invaluable. The ability to have three loops going in > different stereo positions adds enough spaciousness to the output, so I > don't particularly miss the ability to input in stereo. > > >I have to wonder, for what you are doing, why waste time with the JamMan at > >all? Seems like a lot of bother with limited memory, constrained I/O, lack > >of U/I, and weird midi control. Why not use something like the Roland > >SP-808? Or Acid on a laptop? Seems like those are much better suited to it. > > I actually find the Jam-Man user interface quite streamlined and very fast > to use. > I previously posted my thoughts on Jam-Man/EDP vs software. The bottom line > is that you don't need to take your hands off the instrument to work them. > I have ACID and find that they don't allow the real time recording and > looping required for un-interrupted creative flow. Too much editorial work > involved. I do improv, all of these devices are designed for composing > using pre-existing sound files. > > The device that really interests me is the Eventide DSP4000. A friend owns > one, it has many amazing looping possibilities. > > ........................................................................... > The moment of victory is much too short to live for that and nothing else. > > -Martina Navrtilova From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 16 12:04:02 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id MAA01177; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 12:04:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 12:04:02 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Steve Savage" To: Subject: RE: Jam Man Noise Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 17:31:16 +0200 Message-ID: <014501be881e$2b20aa30$051e010a@digitalm.co.za> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <000054F8.C22133@poyry.com.br> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <"iBTPv1.0.Bu5.uXr5t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5239 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I missed the beginning of this. Who manufactures Jam man? > -----Original Message----- > From: MAT [mailto:miguel.barella@poyry.com.br] > Sent: Friday, April 16, 1999 2:22 PM > To: Loopers > Subject: Re:Jam Man Noise > > > > >in the meantime I am excited and having fun using my Jam Man, but I have > >noticed something that worries me- > >I noticed some static noise every time a loop began > > This is the answer I got from Bob Sellon when I reported a > similar problem with > my Jam Man, I hope it helps to understand... > > Miguel > > " There are two possible causes for the noise I can think of; one you > can fix the other you can't. > > When Jamman is slaved to an external MIDI clock it determines the > end of the loop by itself based on the tempo of the clock and the > number of beats selected on the front panel. If the operator > tries to end > the loop manually, the resulting loop will very likely be shorter > than it should be. When the loop is too short, Jamman restarts the > loop twice: once when the end of the loop (time) is detected and > once when the correct number of MIDI clocks has come in. The > solution is to let Jamman close the loop by itself (DON'T tap a > second time). This will get the loops size to it's best fit. > > The second cause is based on the jitter on the incoming MIDI clocks > and the resolution of Jamman itself. At best, Jamman can lock in a > loop size to within half a millisecond (512us). The problem is > that most MIDI clock sources have jitter (timing variations) in the > same neighborhood. After the loop time is locked in, the > priority in Jamman is > to stay in perfect sync with the incoming MIDI clock. > The problem is that the combined half millisecond resolution of > Jamman > and the jitter on the incoming clock result in the actual size of > the loop changing very slightly every time through. As the loop > size changes, Jamman either shortens the loop or replays the very > beginning of the loop to compensate resulting in potential > clicks and pops. > With the PC itself being slaved the jitter gets worse > and so do the clicks and pops. > > As I said, there is currently no work-around for this other than, as > you said, not playing anything at the loop edge. The only other > thing I can suggest (which is equally klugey), is to place > something percussive at the splice point which will tend to > mask the noise. > I am looking at the problem, however, and will let you know if I > come up with anything. > > If anyone out there has any suggestions on how to deal with this, > I'd love to hear it. > > > Bob Sellon " > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 16 12:06:43 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id MAA01817; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 12:06:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 12:06:43 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <37175B50.77FFA558@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 08:46:24 -0700 From: Clifford Novey X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Jam Man Noise References: <000054F8.C22133@poyry.com.br> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"5GlwK2.0.Mr6.Lkr5t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5241 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thanks for the info- I just wish the updates were available- oh well- I can live with it- I turned the output to 1/2 and it was much improved- Thanks- Cliff MAT wrote: > >in the meantime I am excited and having fun using my Jam Man, but I have > >noticed something that worries me- > >I noticed some static noise every time a loop began > > This is the answer I got from Bob Sellon when I reported a similar problem with > my Jam Man, I hope it helps to understand... > > Miguel > > " There are two possible causes for the noise I can think of; one you > can fix the other you can't. > > When Jamman is slaved to an external MIDI clock it determines the > end of the loop by itself based on the tempo of the clock and the > number of beats selected on the front panel. If the operator tries to end > the loop manually, the resulting loop will very likely be shorter > than it should be. When the loop is too short, Jamman restarts the > loop twice: once when the end of the loop (time) is detected and > once when the correct number of MIDI clocks has come in. The > solution is to let Jamman close the loop by itself (DON'T tap a > second time). This will get the loops size to it's best fit. > > The second cause is based on the jitter on the incoming MIDI clocks > and the resolution of Jamman itself. At best, Jamman can lock in a > loop size to within half a millisecond (512us). The problem is > that most MIDI clock sources have jitter (timing variations) in the > same neighborhood. After the loop time is locked in, the priority in Jamman is > to stay in perfect sync with the incoming MIDI clock. > The problem is that the combined half millisecond resolution of Jamman > and the jitter on the incoming clock result in the actual size of > the loop changing very slightly every time through. As the loop > size changes, Jamman either shortens the loop or replays the very > beginning of the loop to compensate resulting in potential clicks and pops. > With the PC itself being slaved the jitter gets worse > and so do the clicks and pops. > > As I said, there is currently no work-around for this other than, as > you said, not playing anything at the loop edge. The only other > thing I can suggest (which is equally klugey), is to place > something percussive at the splice point which will tend to mask the noise. > I am looking at the problem, however, and will let you know if I > come up with anything. > > If anyone out there has any suggestions on how to deal with this, > I'd love to hear it. > > > Bob Sellon " From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 16 12:12:31 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id MAA03442; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 12:12:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 12:12:31 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: landman@pop.ncal.verio.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 07:53:37 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: landman@wco.com (Mark Landman) Subject: Re: Stereo Jam Man/DSP4000 Cc: chuck.zwicky@wavefront.com Resent-Message-ID: <"Pkc0S3.0.6r6.Jkr5t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5240 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >The device that really interests me is the Eventide DSP4000. A friend owns >one, it has many amazing looping possibilities. > Glad to see the topic shift, and I'd sure like to hear Chuck's observations on looping possibilities with the DSP 4000. How about it, Chuck? Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 16 13:26:44 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id NAA19695; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 13:26:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 13:26:44 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <37176C05.4E5ED685@borland.com> Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 09:57:41 -0700 From: daniel thomas Organization: Borland.Com, a division of Inprise Corporation X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Stereo Jam Man References: <3.0.6.32.19990416013648.00938210@POP.VISI.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"1wXAL1.0.kY2.-Zs5t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5242 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com The problem with lists like these is an inherent compulsion to have the last word. If you must bicker venomously, please do so privately, not in view of the entire public list. "last-wordism" diminishes the value of the list for everyone. Thanks for your consideration, Regards Daniel Chuck Zwicky wrote: > Kim, > You never miss an opportunity to post condescending remarks about the > Jam-Man. I don't think that I have a chip on my shoulder, nor any hostility > towards the EDP. I am a consumer. I am free to make choices about what I > use. I have no vested interest in either the Jam-Man or the EDP. I use the > Sellon-upgrade o/s in my Jam-Man and It provides me with he ability to > quickly try various arrangement ideas and actually have three channels to > work with. > > I often send a stereo signal to the Jam-Man. I have found that the analog > stereo dry path is invaluable. The ability to have three loops going in > different stereo positions adds enough spaciousness to the output, so I > don't particularly miss the ability to input in stereo. > > >I have to wonder, for what you are doing, why waste time with the JamMan at > >all? Seems like a lot of bother with limited memory, constrained I/O, lack > >of U/I, and weird midi control. Why not use something like the Roland > >SP-808? Or Acid on a laptop? Seems like those are much better suited to it. > > I actually find the Jam-Man user interface quite streamlined and very fast > to use. > I previously posted my thoughts on Jam-Man/EDP vs software. The bottom line > is that you don't need to take your hands off the instrument to work them. > I have ACID and find that they don't allow the real time recording and > looping required for un-interrupted creative flow. Too much editorial work > involved. I do improv, all of these devices are designed for composing > using pre-existing sound files. > > The device that really interests me is the Eventide DSP4000. A friend owns > one, it has many amazing looping possibilities. > > ........................................................................... > The moment of victory is much too short to live for that and nothing else. > > -Martina Navrtilova From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 16 13:26:18 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id NAA19587; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 13:26:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 13:26:18 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <37176CF3.473257E5@borland.com> Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 10:01:39 -0700 From: daniel thomas Organization: Borland.Com, a division of Inprise Corporation X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Stereo Jam Man/DSP4000 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"6w0t8.0.2n2.Uds5t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5244 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com me too.... Mark Landman wrote: > >The device that really interests me is the Eventide DSP4000. A friend owns > >one, it has many amazing looping possibilities. > > > > Glad to see the topic shift, and I'd sure like to hear Chuck's observations > on looping possibilities with the DSP 4000. > > How about it, Chuck? > > Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 16 14:15:38 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id OAA30930; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 14:15:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 14:15:38 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <01BE87F5.17C3D580@pool025-max12.ds12-ca-us.dialup.earthlink.net> From: Bien Appraisers To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Jam Man Noise Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 10:32:24 -0700 Encoding: 27 TEXT Resent-Message-ID: <"ioST73.0.WQ5.NLt5t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5245 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Look at the Tools Of The Trade section of Looper's Delight page- you will se a link to Jam Man which is made by Lexicon- or, sorry WAS made- no longer in production. Cliff ---------- From: Steve Savage[SMTP:steve@digitalm.co.za] Sent: Friday, April 16, 1999 8:31 AM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: Jam Man Noise I missed the beginning of this. Who manufactures Jam man? > -----Original Message----- > From: MAT [mailto:miguel.barella@poyry.com.br] > Sent: Friday, April 16, 1999 2:22 PM > To: Loopers > Subject: Re:Jam Man Noise > > > > >in the meantime I am excited and having fun using my Jam Man, but I have > >noticed something that worries me- > >I noticed some static noise every time a loop began > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 16 14:26:38 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id OAA01355; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 14:26:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 14:26:38 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990416174942.23265.rocketmail@web126.yahoomail.com> Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 10:49:42 -0700 (PDT) From: John Tidwell Subject: Chuck vs Kim.....The Final Conflict? To: Loopers Delight MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"hGc1G.0.gB6.bXt5t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5246 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I found their exchange to be informative & entertain- ing. I hope they continue to mix it up. Now, I would die before I said anything, BUT.... I have it on good authority that Kim thinks Jam-men wear skirts & Chuck is claiming that Oberheim is German for Radio Shack. :) === John Tidwell _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 16 14:35:28 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id OAA03600; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 14:35:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 14:35:28 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: cho@newdream.net (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 10:58:56 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Chris Chovit Subject: Re: novatone? Resent-Message-ID: <"HCMv93.0.RY6.7et5t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5247 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Yeah, my brother Anton used to have a G &L bass that he put the Novatone fretboard on. He could switch between fretted, fretless w/ lines, fretless w/o lines...also, one of the fretboards was aluminum. The fretboards were magnetic, and would stick pretty strongly to the neck. Unfortunately, his bass was stolen, and his extra necks now occupy a space on his refrigerator. Novatone has long since gone out of business. - Chris >one of the bass teachers at my school has a bass that has the novatone >removalbe fretboard system >anybody have one? >know of if their still around >know anybody that does that sort of work > >rodrigo ----------------------------- Chris Chovit cho@newdream.net From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 16 14:38:54 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id OAA04417; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 14:38:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 14:38:54 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19990416125245.0089f760@tamiu.edu> X-Sender: myoder@tamiu.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 12:52:45 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: "Michael S. Yoder" Subject: Attn: Guitarists Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"HCpqa2.0.xk6.Mgt5t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5248 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I apologize if this is not appropriate for the list, but. . . . . After the series last week on different instruments for looping, I decided to expand beyond bass, and so I bought an electric guitar!!! I'm now teaching myself to play it (it's a Peavey "Raptor" which is basically a Stratocaster copy.) The question I have: how many guitarists play solid body guitars of the strat type with their fingers? I find that a pick is awkward, and my instinct is to pluck, etc. with my fingers. Am I making a mistake by foregoing the pick? Should I spend the time getting used to the pick? It sounds like Leni Stern plays (I think a strat) with her fingers, but I can't recall hearing anyone else that sounds like that. To those kind guitarists who wish to respond, please feel free to answer me privately. Thanks!!! Michael =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Dr. Michael S. Yoder Assistant Professor of Geography, Coordinator of Urban Studies Texas A&M International University 5201 University Blvd. Laredo, TX 78041 Tel. (956) 326-2634; FAX (956) 326-2464 Internet:myoder@tamiu.edu =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=--=-=-=-== From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 16 15:07:33 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id PAA10986; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 15:07:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 15:07:33 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 13:05:12 -0600 (CST) From: SOTO VALENCIA ANDRESRODOLFO To: Jax1723@aol.com cc: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: cheap samplers In-Reply-To: <2f26e365.2447ea81@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"YPUrB1.0.mE7.Spt5t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5249 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com the yamaha SU 10 is a goos sampler but lacks memory,you can save very little samplers there,as well with the Dr. sample,but they are good toy for starters.The edition in the SU 10 it's quite unfriendly,I don't care what yamaha says. On Thu, 15 Apr 1999 Jax1723@aol.com wrote: > anyone know much about cheap samplers? i need to buy one and i'm not sure > what is good value for the bucks. been looking at the boss dr sample and the > yamaha su10 (both sell for about $300 in mus.friend) or possibly spending a > bit more and getting the akai s10 (or is it s20?) which sells for about $550. > does anyone have any experience with any of these??? what's good/bad etc. > should i look for something more high-end used? just want to get into > sampling and looping more... all i have now is an old 1/4 in. reel to reel > machine i loop with. any input about the above mentioned machines would be > greatly appreciated. > > thanks > jax1723@aol.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 16 15:23:23 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id PAA14261; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 15:23:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 15:23:23 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3716D08E.A8EC2849@earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 12:08:28 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Jam Man Noise Resent-Message-ID: <"UviC9.0.Ut2.tju5t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5253 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 10:54 PM -0700 4/15/99, Clifford Novey wrote: > >Also- the intelligent dialog on this list is great- Kim got it goin' on >too- props! ;) I think it is pretty damn unique that we get to har from >and interact with one of the creators of something we all treasure so- I >never got to talk to the designers of my Kawasaki or any of the luthiers >that built my guitars! Actually, all three of us echoplex people (aurisis research, really) are on the list. Eric never posts at all, but Matthias does - he's the main guru! Also, Motley, from Boomerang is here, and chimes in sometimes. Bob Sellon and Greg Hogan of Lexicon used to be on the list, but haven't been lately. People from a variety of other companies lurk here too, tc, korg, opcode, emu, various others. Yes, virginia, there are real people on the other side of the wall who make this stuff. Mostly just regular musicians like you with some electronics knowledge, passion, and crazy dreams. You do it because you love it, it sure doesn't make you rich! >Although hearing that the EDP has CS software >makes me cringe- my cheap Midiman sound card uses CS drivers and every >so often the dissappear and need to be reinstalled- although it is more >than likely my system- I just don't like independent software coupled >with different brand hardware- call me ignorant- se' la vie'- no no, it's a completely different thing from a PC soundcard situation. The Echoplex uses a chip from Crystal, who makes some of the best digital audio parts. There's no driver from Crystal or anything like that. Our software just communicates directly with the chip to transfer the digital audio in and out of memory. (same as it communicates with other chips on the board...) Nothin' to worry about there, this stuff is all completely invisible to the user... kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 16 15:21:53 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id PAA14081; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 15:21:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 15:21:53 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Bailey, Jim" To: "'looppost'" Subject: RE: Musicworks #73 Date: Fri, 16 Apr 99 15:15:00 EDT Message-ID: <371788BA@199.71.32.33> Rr: Encoding: 34 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Resent-Message-ID: <"x5dkj2.0.YM2.Pau5t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5252 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From: Collins[SMTP:collinsclan@sprintmail.com] Sent: Thursday, April 15, 1999 8:58 PM >I thought all of you into strange and beautiful music would enjoy this.= >Its a great magazine from Canada. >Jeff -----Original Message----- I'll second Jeff's recommendation. I just received my copy yesterday, and it's packed with great stuff. The articles on David Tudor would be especially relevant to this list, because he engaged in looping of a sort. He didn't use any of the fancy hi-tech gear usually discussed here, but instead made complex arrangements of home-built gear and the occasional stomp-box. Also of interest is the use he made of a device called a "neural network" chip, which was originally developed as an attempt to emulate a nerve cell, and has the ability for any output to be connected to any input basically as a large matrix. I won't go into all the details of it here (mainly because I don't know them all!), but would recommend interested parties to get a copy of the mag - and don't forget the CD! BTW, they just gave us an "upgrade" on our PC here (oooh, Pentium!), so I'm hoping it has cured the problem I was having with the garbage at the end of replies. If not, please forgive me, and I'll have to go slap those responsible. Jim Bailey From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 16 15:23:12 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id PAA14232; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 15:23:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 15:23:12 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199904161857.NAA17471@mail.netdirect.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 13:57:49 -0500 Subject: Re: Attn: Guitarists From: "mister gone" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"CvGCA1.0.SB2.3Yu5t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5250 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > The question I have: how many guitarists play solid body guitars of the > strat type with their fingers? I find that a pick is awkward, and my > instinct is to pluck, etc. with my fingers. Am I making a mistake by > foregoing the pick? Should I spend the time getting used to the pick? It > sounds like Leni Stern plays (I think a strat) with her fingers, but I > can't recall hearing anyone else that sounds like that. well, it's a completely different approach, you know? chet atkins and lindsey buckingham (of fleetwood mac) both play with their fingers in a classical style and they sound great. robert smith of the cure uses his thumb as a pick, and alan sparhawk of low does the same. put you loose some of the bright attack-y sound, and depending on what you are doing, you might need it to cut through the mix. as a bass player, though, i'd say have fun with it. most of us guitar players are basically monkeys that wouldn't be able to pluck accurately or consistently to save our lives... mind you, if i drop my pick, i'm okay for a bit, but that's the extent of it. though i'd venture that the guitarists on this list are fairly well developed, evolutionarily speaking... ;) no pointy head stocks or crate solid state full stacks, i'm betting... ______________________________ ___________________________________ - j . e r i c s h a l l o p "it's a long way, it's a long way - eshallop@netdirect.net down." (saddest new kid on the block) - bowery electric, long way down From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 16 15:25:03 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id PAA14530; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 15:25:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 15:25:03 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <37178C0E.2FAD13ED@borland.com> Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 12:14:22 -0700 From: daniel thomas Organization: Borland.Com, a division of Inprise Corporation X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Chuck vs Kim.....The Final Conflict? References: <19990416174942.23265.rocketmail@web126.yahoomail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"cGrKK3.0.WJ2.lZu5t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5251 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fair enough...I retract my opinion...{and , perhaps, myself from the list} dst John Tidwell wrote: > I found their exchange to be informative & entertain- > ing. I hope they continue to mix it up. > > Now, I would die before I said anything, BUT.... > I have it on good authority that Kim thinks Jam-men > wear skirts & Chuck is claiming that Oberheim is > German for Radio Shack. :) > > === > John Tidwell > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 16 15:59:13 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id PAA21442; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 15:59:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 15:59:13 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Reply-To: From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: Subject: RE: Attn: Guitarists Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 12:29:41 -0700 Message-ID: <002501be883f$79885e90$26ee8fd1@linkexchange.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <199904161857.NAA17471@mail.netdirect.net> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: <"HAHap2.0.5p3.Ozu5t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5255 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >well, it's a completely different approach, you know? chet atkins and >lindsey buckingham (of fleetwood mac) both play with their fingers in a >classical style and they sound great. robert smith of the cure uses his >thumb as a pick, and alan sparhawk of low does the same. put you loose some >of the bright attack-y sound, and depending on what you are doing, you might >need it to cut through the mix. > Jeff Beck has been fingerpicking for years. Apparently he dropped his pick at a gig, discovered he could still play, finished the gig and keep playing without it. bIz From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 16 16:28:01 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id QAA27605; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 16:28:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 16:28:01 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <006301be8842$1405dc20$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: Subject: Re: cheap samplers Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 14:48:18 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"svKvB.0.465.4Nv5t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5256 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This information probably is not what you're interested in...but here it is... Lately, I've been considering really cheap looping devices. These interest me for two reasons: 1) I like "multiple-track" unsynchronized loops - the more the merrier; 2) I'm a loop evangelist - if more musicians had loopers, the world would be a better place :) I haven't reached a conclusion yet, but your message prompts me to share what I've found so far. 1) REALLY cheap $44.95 (in quantity one) - the Jameco "Digital Voice Recorder Kit", part no. 116484, product no. JE920KIT can hold a 20-second loop with lo-fi bandwidth. This would take some modification, a box, in/out jacks, etc. Sounds like it would be fun to build a batch and sample audience members! 2) cheap (about $75) - the Jameco "Digital Voice Module", part no. 124871, product no. DVM58D. Can be populated with 16 Mb of DRAM to hold 5:35 minutes of full audio bandwidth (44.1 KHz sample rate) or 17:20 minutes at lo-fi bandwidth. Again, would require some modification to be used as a looper. Neither permits overdubbing, which to me is a requirement for even a cheap looper. Dennis Leas ----------------------------- dennis@mdbs.com -----Original Message----- From: Jax1723@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Thursday, April 15, 1999 8:42 PM Subject: cheap samplers >anyone know much about cheap samplers? i need to buy one and i'm not sure >what is good value for the bucks. been looking at the boss dr sample and the >yamaha su10 (both sell for about $300 in mus.friend) or possibly spending a >bit more and getting the akai s10 (or is it s20?) which sells for about $550. > does anyone have any experience with any of these??? what's good/bad etc. >should i look for something more high-end used? just want to get into >sampling and looping more... all i have now is an old 1/4 in. reel to reel >machine i loop with. any input about the above mentioned machines would be >greatly appreciated. > >thanks >jax1723@aol.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 16 16:24:17 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id QAA26878; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 16:24:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 16:24:17 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <000054F8.C22133@poyry.com.br> Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 15:58:30 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Patrick Smith Subject: Looper's @ Rogue Resent-Message-ID: <"rUS_z3.0.lG5._Qv5t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5257 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Go to for some cool looping gear. Someone mentioned recently they were looking for the Eventide DSP400o, well there is one there as well as the old tape Echoplex unit and one of those increasingly controversial Jam Man. Plus a whole lot of other gear for anyone with a tax refund coming..... patrick From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 16 16:54:07 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id QAA01324; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 16:54:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 16:54:07 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: PJBMHB@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 16:22:50 EDT Subject: Re: Stereo Jam Man To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 Reply-To: PJBMHB@aol.com Resent-Message-ID: <"5aMlA3.0.Da6.pnv5t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5258 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com regarding last wordism diminishing the value of the list for everyone....DOES NOT!!! he he he ho ho ho, =-) PJ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 16 16:53:14 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id QAA01226; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 16:53:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 16:53:14 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3717A1F8.74C2F076@borland.com> Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 13:47:52 -0700 From: daniel thomas Organization: Borland.Com, a division of Inprise Corporation X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Attn: Guitarists References: <00005724.C22133@poyry.com.br> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"mMnab3.0.EA7.Lxv5t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5259 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Ry Cooder uses finger picks...he is adelta blues guy afterall. dst MAT wrote: > >The question I have: how many guitarists play solid body guitars of the > >strat type with their fingers? > > - Jeff Beck (sure) > - Ry Cooder (almost sure) > - Johnny Marr (with finger picks) > > I am suere there are several others. > > Miguel From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 16 17:43:00 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id RAA10593; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 17:43:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 17:43:00 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3717AA3C.3548@erols.com> Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 16:23:08 -0500 From: Michael Preston Reply-To: michpres@erols.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Kyma Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"UPFT13.0.ta1.Ydw5t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5261 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi Loopers! Is anyone out there familiar with the Kyma/Capybara system by Symbolic Sound Corp? If so, can it be made to loop in interesting ways? Thanks for your thoughts. Michael From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 16 17:54:38 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id RAA13009; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 17:54:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 17:54:38 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Marzzz@aol.com Message-ID: <42525258.2449028a@aol.com> Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 17:15:54 EDT Subject: Re: Attn: Guitarists To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, myoder@tamiu.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 54 Reply-To: Marzzz@aol.com Resent-Message-ID: <"md-GN3.0.rQ1.Gaw5t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5260 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 4/16/99 1:37:52 PM, myoder@tamiu.edu writes: << how many guitarists play solid body guitars of the strat type with their fingers? >> Jeff Beck! From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 16 19:01:54 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id TAA24292; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 19:01:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 19:01:54 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990416182952.007aab50@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 18:29:52 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Attn: Guitarists In-Reply-To: <199904161857.NAA17471@mail.netdirect.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"H9FuI1.0.hU4.nZx5t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5262 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com The headstock on my oud is SORT of pointy, but my saz puts the pointiest Kramer to shame... :-) Tim >though i'd venture that the guitarists on this list are fairly well >developed, evolutionarily speaking... ;) no pointy head stocks or crate >solid state full stacks, i'm betting... From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 16 20:02:36 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id UAA02518; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 20:02:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 20:02:36 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 01:14:24 +0200 From: Mark Kunzmann Subject: Re: Fw: Musicworks #73 To: Loopers Delight Reply-to: kunmar00@stud.unibas.ch Message-id: <3717C450.6307@stud.unibas.ch> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04 (Win16; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <006601be87a4$2fa855a0$571bbfa8@default> Resent-Message-ID: <"tNvqb1.0.Hd6.IKy5t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5263 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Collins wrote: > > I thought all of you into strange and beautiful music would enjoy this. Its > a great magazine from Canada. > Jeff > > Thanks a lot for this. I picked up a couple of issues somewhere back in '95 and unfortunately lost sight of the mag and thought they'd gone out of business. Good to see they're still in print. I can only recommend both the CD and the mag to you guys. Tons of stuff from frogs to prepared piano to gamelan to keep you occupied for much longer than is good for you :-) cheers, Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 16 22:00:14 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id WAA21437; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 22:00:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 22:00:14 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3717E689.FF882376@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 18:40:25 -0700 From: Clifford Novey X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Jam Man Noise References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"j0GKN.0.2R4.4R-5t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5265 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thanks for the info Kim- Cliff Kim Flint wrote: > At 10:54 PM -0700 4/15/99, Clifford Novey wrote: > > > >Also- the intelligent dialog on this list is great- Kim got it goin' on > >too- props! ;) I think it is pretty damn unique that we get to har from > >and interact with one of the creators of something we all treasure so- I > >never got to talk to the designers of my Kawasaki or any of the luthiers > >that built my guitars! > > Actually, all three of us echoplex people (aurisis research, really) are on > the list. Eric never posts at all, but Matthias does - he's the main guru! > > Also, Motley, from Boomerang is here, and chimes in sometimes. Bob Sellon > and Greg Hogan of Lexicon used to be on the list, but haven't been lately. > People from a variety of other companies lurk here too, tc, korg, opcode, > emu, various others. Yes, virginia, there are real people on the other side > of the wall who make this stuff. Mostly just regular musicians like you > with some electronics knowledge, passion, and crazy dreams. You do it > because you love it, it sure doesn't make you rich! > > >Although hearing that the EDP has CS software > >makes me cringe- my cheap Midiman sound card uses CS drivers and every > >so often the dissappear and need to be reinstalled- although it is more > >than likely my system- I just don't like independent software coupled > >with different brand hardware- call me ignorant- se' la vie'- > > no no, it's a completely different thing from a PC soundcard situation. The > Echoplex uses a chip from Crystal, who makes some of the best digital audio > parts. There's no driver from Crystal or anything like that. Our software > just communicates directly with the chip to transfer the digital audio in > and out of memory. (same as it communicates with other chips on the > board...) Nothin' to worry about there, this stuff is all completely > invisible to the user... > > kim > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html > http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 16 22:00:55 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id WAA21521; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 22:00:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 22:00:55 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhR7QOVV+VKl4zt/INvQheBG1Vu+jwIUUHydBhNysBiC80mm1x+/ihX1n7A= From: HERETIK777@webtv.net (Mike George) Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 20:39:01 -0500 (CDT) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V99 #158 Message-ID: <24681-3717E635-4862@postoffice-231.iap.bryant.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: Loopers-Delight-d-request@annihilist.com's message of Thu, 15 Apr 1999 23:47:06 -0400 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary=WebTV-Mail-307887617-2591 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Resent-Message-ID: <"SPfV23.0.qM4.4Q-5t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5264 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com --WebTV-Mail-307887617-2591 Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit CHEAP SAMPLERS: ROLAND SP202 is very good for the money...but has a maximum of 33.1 sample rate...pretty good effects though! time stretch is good on it...with a card ($50) the memory is good too..350 bucks YAMAHA SU10: not as much samle time as the 202 but has 44.1 sample rate and does an excellent filter job, and scratches the sample(must already be a dj to use this properly tho!!) hahahahahaha not! You can probably find an ensoniq EPS16+ fairlycheap $500 8 tracks 41 effects and 8meg of memory plus a handy dandy 2000 blocks of static rom.....nice ROLAND SP808 : The HEAVYWEIGHT KING 46 minutes of sample time @44.1 Khz...instant load time, awesome effects, also a digital recorder...now has an upgrade allowing it to use wav and aif files --I would highly recommend saving a little money and getting this box...$1250.00...you can master to dat if you get the dig out in adapter $500.00 but this oe is hard to beat....and OH its very easy to use...check it out on the ROLANDUS.COM web site!!! LATER, and good luck --WebTV-Mail-307887617-2591 Content-Description: signature Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/HTML; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit --WebTV-Mail-307887617-2591-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Apr 17 04:46:27 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id EAA29277; Sat, 17 Apr 1999 04:46:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 04:46:27 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 04:25:34 -0400 (EDT) From: Neal Trembath X-Sender: ntrembat@gecko To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V99 #158 In-Reply-To: <24681-3717E635-4862@postoffice-231.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"7lFFW1.0.Xi6.7N46t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5267 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I liked the 808 too, until I heard it. A little compression problem (like the mini disc). Perhaps also if Roland allowed hd instead of ZIP disk. N On Fri, 16 Apr 1999, Mike George wrote: > CHEAP SAMPLERS: > ROLAND SP202 is very good for the money...but has a maximum of 33.1 > sample rate...pretty good effects though! > time stretch is good on it...with a card ($50) the memory is good > too..350 bucks > > YAMAHA SU10: not as much samle time as the 202 but has 44.1 sample rate > and does an excellent filter job, and scratches the sample(must already > be a dj to use this properly tho!!) > hahahahahaha not! > > You can probably find an ensoniq EPS16+ fairlycheap $500 8 tracks 41 > effects and 8meg of memory plus a handy dandy 2000 blocks of static > rom.....nice > > ROLAND SP808 : The HEAVYWEIGHT KING 46 minutes of sample time @44.1 > Khz...instant load time, awesome effects, also a digital recorder...now > has an upgrade allowing it to use wav and aif files --I would highly > recommend saving a little money and getting this box...$1250.00...you > can master to dat if you get the dig out in adapter $500.00 > but this oe is hard to beat....and OH its very easy to use...check it > out on the ROLANDUS.COM web site!!! LATER, and good luck > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Apr 17 06:34:51 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id GAA08392; Sat, 17 Apr 1999 06:34:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 06:34:51 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 11:16:14 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Lee Fletcher Subject: 'Headrush' info request MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike (32) Version 4.00 Resent-Message-ID: <"K_Evc1.0.YY1.1066t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5268 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Dear Loopers, I live in the UK and have so far been unable to obtain any release information regarding Akai's new 'Headrush' delay/looping unit. I have however seen a few references to it on this list since subscribing a short time ago. I would be very grateful if any kind readers would e-mail any available information to me, like "is it / will it actually be available outside the US?" Thanks in advance. Also, has anyone tried out the new Korg AX1-G? Any good for looping? Cheers, Lee Fletcher From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Apr 17 07:16:25 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id HAA13199; Sat, 17 Apr 1999 07:16:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 07:16:25 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <2.2.32.19990417104320.0067055c@mail.dada.it> X-Sender: cavallo@mail.dada.it (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 12:43:20 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Leo Cavallo Subject: Re: Jam Man Noise Resent-Message-ID: <"fse99.0.FO2.nP66t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5269 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com After months of dust, I've taken out my Jamman and connected to my studio gear, to be able to record some loop lines. Have aybody experienced some hiss in delay mode? with high feedback values it makes the unit unusable... thnx leo At 18.40 16/04/99 -0700, you wrote: >Thanks for the info Kim- > >Cliff > >Kim Flint wrote: > >> At 10:54 PM -0700 4/15/99, Clifford Novey wrote: >> > >> >Also- the intelligent dialog on this list is great- Kim got it goin' on >> >too- props! ;) I think it is pretty damn unique that we get to har from >> >and interact with one of the creators of something we all treasure so- I >> >never got to talk to the designers of my Kawasaki or any of the luthiers >> >that built my guitars! >> >> Actually, all three of us echoplex people (aurisis research, really) are on >> the list. Eric never posts at all, but Matthias does - he's the main guru! >> >> Also, Motley, from Boomerang is here, and chimes in sometimes. Bob Sellon >> and Greg Hogan of Lexicon used to be on the list, but haven't been lately. >> People from a variety of other companies lurk here too, tc, korg, opcode, >> emu, various others. Yes, virginia, there are real people on the other side >> of the wall who make this stuff. Mostly just regular musicians like you >> with some electronics knowledge, passion, and crazy dreams. You do it >> because you love it, it sure doesn't make you rich! >> >> >Although hearing that the EDP has CS software >> >makes me cringe- my cheap Midiman sound card uses CS drivers and every >> >so often the dissappear and need to be reinstalled- although it is more >> >than likely my system- I just don't like independent software coupled >> >with different brand hardware- call me ignorant- se' la vie'- >> >> no no, it's a completely different thing from a PC soundcard situation. The >> Echoplex uses a chip from Crystal, who makes some of the best digital audio >> parts. There's no driver from Crystal or anything like that. Our software >> just communicates directly with the chip to transfer the digital audio in >> and out of memory. (same as it communicates with other chips on the >> board...) Nothin' to worry about there, this stuff is all completely >> invisible to the user... >> >> kim >> >> ______________________________________________________________________ >> Kim Flint | Looper's Delight >> kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html >> http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Apr 17 09:09:28 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id JAA26834; Sat, 17 Apr 1999 09:09:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 09:09:28 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Douglas Lawrence" To: Subject: RE: 'Headrush' info request Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 08:52:18 -0400 Message-ID: <000001be88d1$2131d950$87500218@cc1006472-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"vik01.0.6y5.UG86t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5270 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >>I live in the UK and have so far been unable to obtain any release >>information regarding Akai's new 'Headrush' delay/looping unit. You can start here ... http://www.harmony-central.com/Newp/WNAMM99/Akai/Effects-Pedals.html Also, there should be some comment's from Kim, who checked this unit out at NAMM in the Looper's Delight archives. These are access from the home page ... http://www.annihilist.com/cgi-bin/wilma/LDarchive From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Apr 17 12:35:35 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id MAA24049; Sat, 17 Apr 1999 12:35:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 12:35:35 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: matthias@pop3.bahianet.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <006301be8842$1405dc20$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 13:33:12 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: cheap samplers / loopers Resent-Message-ID: <"J-Bbn2.0.ca5.yPB6t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5272 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Dennis W. Leas did some serious work: >Lately, I've been considering really cheap looping devices. These interest >me for two reasons: >1) I like "multiple-track" unsynchronized loops - the more the merrier Isn't that like spreading chaos? Don't we search for sincronicity? >2) I'm a loop evangelist - if more musicians had loopers, >the world would be a better place :) I tend to hope that, too (otherwhise I would not have invested 7 years and quite some of my fathers money into it). Probably most of the list agree, otherwhise would not be here, but we should keep the critical sense. One thing I am sure of: If the world ist full of or fanatic for *anything*, its not a good place ;-). >I haven't reached a conclusion yet, but your message prompts me to share >what I've found so far. > >1) REALLY cheap $44.95 (in quantity one) - the Jameco "Digital Voice >Recorder Kit", part no. 116484, product no. JE920KIT can hold a 20-second >loop with lo-fi bandwidth. This would take some modification, a box, in/out >jacks, etc. Sounds like it would be fun to build a batch and sample >audience members! We (Aurisis) have a ready project for a cheap version of the Plex (no MIDI, no sync) where all the components would cost about this. But there is still the PCB, housing, wall wart, work, marketing... cost. >2) cheap (about $75) - the Jameco "Digital Voice Module", part no. 124871, >product no. DVM58D. Can be populated with 16 Mb of DRAM to hold 5:35 >minutes of full audio bandwidth (44.1 KHz sample rate) or 17:20 minutes at >lo-fi bandwidth. Again, would require some modification to be used as a >looper. > >Neither permits overdubbing, which to me is a requirement for even a cheap >looper. Definitally. The growing and fading seams to me like the condition for the musical and personal developping side of looping. The freezing side I don't trust so much ;-). In our project, all of the editing functions of the Plex are available, more or less immediately. Unfortunately, Oberheim does not seam to have time to build it... someone does? Matthias PS: As for the subject, I hope that in the future, looing and sampling will join into the same unit since it requires about the same HW. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Apr 17 12:36:11 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id MAA24266; Sat, 17 Apr 1999 12:36:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 12:36:11 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199904171624.JAA23723@snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Cheap Samplers In-Reply-To: <199904170800.EAA24741@rosy.yourwebhost.com> References: <199904170800.EAA24741@rosy.yourwebhost.com> From: MT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 12:25:59 -0400 X-Mailer: Musashi 3.0.6 Resent-Message-ID: <"WspLR.0.tW5.wNB6t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5271 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Don't forget about software samplers. Unity DS-1 from bitheadz is MAc and PC, and there's another on PC called gigasampler or something like that. Both of these are very cheap compared to hardware samplers. Michael From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Apr 17 12:51:51 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id MAA26971; Sat, 17 Apr 1999 12:51:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 12:51:51 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <000201be88f1$ebd73cc0$0d09c0d8@default> From: "Alan Imberg" To: References: Subject: Re: 'Headrush' info request Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 08:26:01 -0700 Organization: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Resent-Message-ID: <"r5J6q.0.LT6.kjB6t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5274 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I ordered a Headrush from American Music Supply (www.americanmusical.com) in early March. They have been on back-order and I'm still waiting. I've been told that I will receive one by the end of April (we'll see). I called Akai (817-831-9203) and was told that production is running behind schedule but they assured that the Headrush will be readily available. ----- Original Message ----- From: Lee Fletcher To: Sent: Saturday, April 17, 1999 3:16 AM Subject: 'Headrush' info request > Dear Loopers, > > I live in the UK and have so far been unable to obtain any release > information regarding Akai's new 'Headrush' delay/looping unit. I have > however seen a few references to it on this list since subscribing a > short time ago. > > I would be very grateful if any kind readers would e-mail any available > information to me, like "is it / will it actually be available outside > the US?" > > Thanks in advance. > > Also, has anyone tried out the new Korg AX1-G? Any good for looping? > > Cheers, > > Lee Fletcher > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Apr 17 12:52:13 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id MAA27038; Sat, 17 Apr 1999 12:52:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 12:52:13 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: jfa@shell11.ba.best.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3717AA3C.3548@erols.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 08:35:52 -0700 To: michpres@erols.com, Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: John Altman Subject: Re: Kyma Resent-Message-ID: <"Yk1FA.0.kE6.DfB6t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5273 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 4:23 PM -0500 4/16/99, Michael Preston wrote: >Is anyone out there familiar with the Kyma/Capybara system by Symbolic >Sound Corp? I've only had mine for two weeks, still diligently working through the tutorial at this point >If so, can it be made to loop in interesting ways? Oh yes indeed! Even with the basic system (4 DSPs, 96 Mb of sample RAM) it looks very promising. I've modified a few of the examples using multiple "Delay w/ Feedback" modules and can't believe what I got. Don't entirely understand *why* I got it either, but that's indicative of my learner status. Inputs can be sampled loops on your HD or live audio from other devices, or both. Performance control can be done with a fader box like the Peavey 1600x or anything else you've got that can send MIDI CCs. This includes triggering, recording to disk on the fly, mixing, morphing, etc., etc. To compare it to a mature, well-designed, but more narrowly-focused device like the EDP, it's clear already that Kyma is serious DIY with a significant learning curve (especially for the math-challenged like me), but having said that you can do just about anything you can imagine with it. Get the free sample CD and/or purchase the manual for, I think, $40 (can be applied to later purchase) before you plunge. John _+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+ Cacophony is at least as intricate an art as harmony. Basil Bunting From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Apr 17 13:10:37 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id NAA30260; Sat, 17 Apr 1999 13:10:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 13:10:37 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990409022102.9606.rocketmail@send205.yahoomail.com> Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 19:21:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Bret Subject: Re: things that we loop To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"1RCxE3.0.9I7.P_B6t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5275 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Matthias, Somehow no one mentioned motors, and vibrators. Must have been too obvious. bret --- Matthias Grob wrote: > I liked this thread. I gathered what came up. Would > someone care to put > this funny list onto the site? > Or should we turn it into a list of descriptions of > experiences where > anyone can contribute his fun story? > > guitars > keyboards > basses > strings > didgeridoos > vocals > laughter > animal noises > samples > some > everykind of percussion imaginable > wind instruments > turntables > broadcast sounds from radio and TV > film dialog > found sounds > stick > washing machine hose bullroarers > Toddlers and their toys > fart and burp > human boddy > looping devices themselves > window fan > reverb coils > guitar and bass guitar > gutted piano > toy flutes > window fan > "Mega Mouth Warp'r" > "The Grossinator" > answering machine tapes > drum machine...analog & digital > kitchenware > metal cabinets > those whistles that go "fweeeeee!!!!" > water jug > water pipes under my house > video games > radio shack laser beam toy > squeaky violin > garage door > record skips > rake > styrofoam > analog echo pedal feedback > college students in hallways > garage bands > buncha toys > > > _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Apr 17 13:47:28 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id NAA03250; Sat, 17 Apr 1999 13:47:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 13:47:28 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 13:13:16 EDT Subject: Re: Jam Man Noise To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0.i for Windows 95 sub 118 Reply-To: SoundFNR@aol.com Resent-Message-ID: <"9TXWQ1.0.hc7.k6C6t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5276 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 16/04/99 07:26:50 GMT Daylight Time, clifsound@earthlink.net writes: > I noticed some static noise every time a loop began- to trace it I > disconnected everything from the unit except for the Out- no input or > Midi whatsoever- and whenever i create a loop I get this static noise- I don't get this, but changing the delay time in echo mode usually produces a nasty click. Once you start using midi input theres lots of clicks. One at the end of most loops on midi because the midi timingisn't accurate enough to synch audio. Better to use the J to control a drum machine than vice versa as this gets round the problem. ... and the loop fade glitches as well. Do get the expansion memory though.$40 from visionsoft?? Andy Butler Lexicon Vortex Database (new section on undocumented features) http://members.aol.com/soundfnr/vortex.htm From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Apr 17 14:33:40 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id OAA10162; Sat, 17 Apr 1999 14:33:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 14:33:40 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Crossedout@aol.com Message-ID: <6f4fffb4.244a2bb7@aol.com> Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 14:23:51 EDT Subject: Re: Attn: Guitarists To: Marzzz@aol.com, Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, myoder@tamiu.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 Reply-To: Crossedout@aol.com Resent-Message-ID: <"-S9Tf1.0.4F2.69D6t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5277 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Also in the playing with fingers category, James Mankey of the late, lamented Concrete Blonde. - Crossedout@aol.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Apr 17 15:17:26 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id PAA16989; Sat, 17 Apr 1999 15:17:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 15:17:26 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Douglas Lawrence" To: Subject: RE: Attn: Guitarists (fingerstyle players) Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 15:08:15 -0400 Message-ID: <000001be8905$a5b27390$87500218@cc1006472-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <6f4fffb4.244a2bb7@aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"2NFWg3.0.0r3.xmD6t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5278 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >> Also in the playing with fingers category How about Wes Montgomery or Kevin Eubanks. Definitely two great fingerstyle guitar players that you can learn a few tricks from. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Apr 17 16:53:05 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id QAA31223; Sat, 17 Apr 1999 16:53:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 16:53:05 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: M3chakucha@aol.com Message-ID: <70ef74c4.244a4412@aol.com> Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 16:07:46 EDT Subject: Re: 'Headrush' info request To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, lee@waterleat.demon.co.uk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 4 Reply-To: M3chakucha@aol.com Resent-Message-ID: <"aaYg43.0.K26.VgE6t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5279 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com To my namesake, Check out: http://www.akai.com/akaipro/namm99.html It's near the bottom of the ever endless page. Lee-ohki. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Apr 17 21:53:06 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id VAA10536; Sat, 17 Apr 1999 21:53:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 21:53:06 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Jax1723@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 21:08:10 EDT Subject: psd 1002 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Reply-To: Jax1723@aol.com Resent-Message-ID: <"N5FGc.0.Q01.v3J6t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5280 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com just picked up an old digitech psd 1002 2second delay (the blue one with two footswitches). does anyone have a manual? is it possible to add to the loop once its sampled? thanx jax1723@aol From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Apr 17 22:22:48 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id WAA15755; Sat, 17 Apr 1999 22:22:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 22:22:48 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3717ADE4.6691B715@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 21:38:42 +0000 From: chocolate genius Reply-To: goodsandwich@earthlink.net Organization: chocolatey X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: yo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-9; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"ttB_X3.0.p52.iWJ6t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5281 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com cool to be on such a prestigous list. thanks for checking us out. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Apr 18 03:16:16 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id DAA16470; Sun, 18 Apr 1999 03:16:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 03:16:16 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <001301be8968$de47bcc0$030fc0d8@default> From: "Alan Imberg" To: References: Subject: Re: psd 1002 Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 23:58:23 -0700 Organization: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Resent-Message-ID: <"d-On03.0.ZJ3.1CO6t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5282 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I've had that pedal for over 10 years. I've long since lost the manual but the only way I could produce editable loops is to crank the delay repeats to full and use it in the delay mode and not the sample mode. However, this isn't a true set loop since it still degrades with each repeat. Once you click the sample button, what you hear is what you get. I've been able to do some cool things with this pedal, especially in conjuction with other looping devices. Mine is getting cranky with age though. Its a pretty noisey bugger these days. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, April 17, 1999 6:08 PM Subject: psd 1002 > just picked up an old digitech psd 1002 2second delay (the blue one with two > footswitches). does anyone have a manual? is it possible to add to the loop > once its sampled? > thanx > jax1723@aol > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Apr 18 10:45:42 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id KAA08850; Sun, 18 Apr 1999 10:45:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 10:45:42 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Synthblock@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 10:27:07 EDT Subject: RE: Akai Headrush info. To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 54 Reply-To: Synthblock@aol.com Resent-Message-ID: <"XjhOM2.0.6f1.kmU6t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5283 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Lee-ohki wrote: >>Check out: http://www.akai.com/akaipro/namm99.html It's near the bottom of the ever endless page.<< Make sure to click on the picture of the pedal and you'll get nice a big picture of the pedal. jonathan (http://members.tripod.com/~synthetic_block/) From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Apr 18 13:13:02 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id NAA28829; Sun, 18 Apr 1999 13:13:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 13:13:02 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhQHUefeV4AWdQ1HdTVAtyILw1ixNAIVAKPH3cbdlOH8Rs4GQgTOq0oMP8Ja From: HERETIK777@webtv.net (Mike George) Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 11:53:55 -0500 (CDT) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V99 #162 Message-ID: <5931-371A0E23-20498@postoffice-232.iap.bryant.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: Loopers-Delight-d-request@annihilist.com's message of Sun, 18 Apr 1999 03:12:30 -0400 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary=WebTV-Mail-1714263144-11097 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Resent-Message-ID: <"u-G3B3.0.4Q6.pvW6t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5284 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com --WebTV-Mail-1714263144-11097 Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit you can hear RDAC compression on the 808? bullshit.... --WebTV-Mail-1714263144-11097 Content-Description: signature Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/HTML; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit --WebTV-Mail-1714263144-11097-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Apr 18 17:20:45 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id RAA01467; Sun, 18 Apr 1999 17:20:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 17:20:45 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <000701be89de$d65089e0$04d1b0c2@l1m1r5> From: "k.brace" To: Subject: subscribe Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 22:02:55 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0004_01BE89E7.369C0D80" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"1VkpR3.0.1P7.gXa6t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5285 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BE89E7.369C0D80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable subscribe subscribe mmmeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee......................... ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BE89E7.369C0D80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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<= /HTML> ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BE89E7.369C0D80-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Apr 18 18:37:43 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id SAA14455; Sun, 18 Apr 1999 18:37:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 18:37:43 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: mascarat.dragonet.es: dinamic1-220.drago.net [195.76.196.220] didn't use HELO protocol Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19990419001916.0083ba40@mail.dragonet.es> X-Sender: d3055@mail.dragonet.es (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 00:19:16 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, stickwire-l@netcom.com, taptalk@progrock.net, mreuter@post.uni-bielefeld.de, alaintap@spa.es, familia.poveda@mad.servicom.es, c.jorda@arrakis.es, kuno.tap@t-online.de From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Ra=FCl?= Bonell =?iso-8859-1?Q?Tom=E0s?= Subject: web page update (MP3 files) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: <"7eMFI3.0.ps2.Ngb6t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5286 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com hi friends i've updated my webpages with a=20 new section: "Demo Recordings" where you'll find two mp3 files of my loop based music with the stick. enjoy it ! 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To: Subject: RE: web page update (MP3 files) Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 16:02:36 -0700 Message-ID: <001001be89ef$8ce29080$16d684ce@electra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19990419001916.0083ba40@mail.dragonet.es> Resent-Message-ID: <"i1Swx1.0.1x4.nJc6t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5287 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Ral, Muchas gracias por compartir tu msica. La voy a escuchar maana. Ojal la ests pasando bien en Espaa. Javier Miranda Berkeley, Calif. EEUU -----Original Message----- From: Ral Bonell Toms [mailto:rauboto@dragonet.es] Sent: Sunday 18 April 1999 3:19 PM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com; stickwire-l@netcom.com; taptalk@progrock.net; mreuter@post.uni-bielefeld.de; alaintap@spa.es; familia.poveda@mad.servicom.es; c.jorda@arrakis.es; kuno.tap@t-online.de Subject: web page update (MP3 files) hi friends i've updated my webpages with a new section: "Demo Recordings" where you'll find two mp3 files of my loop based music with the stick. enjoy it ! 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Date: Sun, 18 Apr 99 21:20:00 -0000 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: Doug Tapia To: , Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Message-ID: <1287627190-146240066@arts.unco.edu> Resent-Message-ID: <"sPJWR3.0.b57.B0g6t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5289 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Neal, Could you elaborate. I've used a lot of high end samplers in my time and I've not been unimpressed with the performance or sound of the SP-808. Considering it's market, I'd be hard pressed to fault the 808's sound quality. (Most of the Drum & Bass projucts, and the like that I've been involved in have relied on decidedly gritty, low-fi sounds.) Perhaps my ears have become less selective in regards to this type of production over the years. You should also be aware that the 808 is available as the 808pro (I've used one on a couple of projects. It is available from the factory, or as an upgrade and adds SCSI and S/PDIF I/O. . . So, you could use any hard disk for off-line sample storage. FWIW. -Doug >Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V99 #158 >Sent: 4/14/19 5:03 PM >Received: 4/18/99 12:37 PM >From: Neal Trembath, ntrembat@statsol.com >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > > >I liked the 808 too, until I heard it. A little compression problem (like >the mini disc). Perhaps also if Roland allowed hd instead of ZIP disk. > >N > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Apr 19 01:34:21 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id BAA32143; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 01:34:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 01:34:21 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <371ABC9C.B1A@erols.com> Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 00:18:20 -0500 From: Michael Preston Reply-To: michpres@erols.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: John Altman CC: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Kyma References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"7m1Wk.0.yv6.-mh6t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5290 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com John, Thanks very much for your helpful comments on Kyma's looping capability. I have a few more Kyma questions to ask you, unrelated to looping. I'll ask you off-list. Michael John Altman wrote: > > At 4:23 PM -0500 4/16/99, Michael Preston wrote: > > >Is anyone out there familiar with the Kyma/Capybara system by Symbolic > >Sound Corp? > > I've only had mine for two weeks, still diligently working through the > tutorial at this point > > >If so, can it be made to loop in interesting ways? > > Oh yes indeed! Even with the basic system (4 DSPs, 96 Mb of sample RAM) it > looks very promising. I've modified a few of the examples using multiple > "Delay w/ Feedback" modules and can't believe what I got. Don't entirely > understand *why* I got it either, but that's indicative of my learner > status. Inputs can be sampled loops on your HD or live audio from other > devices, or both. Performance control can be done with a fader box like the > Peavey 1600x or anything else you've got that can send MIDI CCs. This > includes triggering, recording to disk on the fly, mixing, morphing, etc., > etc. > > To compare it to a mature, well-designed, but more narrowly-focused device > like the EDP, it's clear already that Kyma is serious DIY with a > significant learning curve (especially for the math-challenged like me), > but having said that you can do just about anything you can imagine with > it. 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FOR ORDER QUESTIONS CALL 770-399-0953 FOR CUSTOMER SERVICE 770-399-5505 FOR E-MAIL REMOVAL CALL 770-399-9045 From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Apr 19 04:05:51 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id EAA20036; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 04:05:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 04:05:51 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Sender: camao@camsg001.camb.scee.sony.co.uk Message-ID: <371ADF86.96B417C6@scee.sony.co.uk> Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 08:47:18 +0100 From: Os X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; I; IRIX 6.3 IP32) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Cheap Samplers References: <199904170800.EAA24741@rosy.yourwebhost.com> <199904171624.JAA23723@snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"xf69A3.0.3M4.y_j6t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5292 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com MT wrote: > > Don't forget about software samplers. Unity DS-1 from bitheadz is MAc and > PC, and there's another on PC called gigasampler or something like that. > Both of these are very cheap compared to hardware samplers. > > Michael Cheaper and arguably better than DS-1 is Stella9000 from Koblo: http://www.koblo.com/ Also there's one coming soon from Native Instruments (who currently do the much admir'd Generator softsynth). cheers, -- Os os@scee.sony.co.uk os@collective.co.uk http://www.collective.co.uk/ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Apr 19 04:07:05 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id EAA20304; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 04:07:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 04:07:05 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Sender: camao@camsg001.camb.scee.sony.co.uk Message-ID: <371ADFED.1E35D92A@scee.sony.co.uk> Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 08:49:01 +0100 From: Os X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; I; IRIX 6.3 IP32) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com CC: Jax1723@aol.com Subject: Re: cheap samplers References: <2f26e365.2447ea81@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"sW3F-3.0.MS4.X1k6t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5293 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Jax1723@aol.com wrote: > > anyone know much about cheap samplers? i need to buy one and i'm not sure > what is good value for the bucks. I have a Roland S-330, which coincidently I want to sell. Great 12-bit sampler, 8 individual outs, resonant filters, and best of all, monitor & mouse interface. cheers, -- Os os@scee.sony.co.uk os@collective.co.uk http://www.collective.co.uk/ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Apr 19 06:34:35 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id GAA05233; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 06:34:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 06:34:35 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <371B04F0.B32@club-internet.fr> Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 12:26:56 +0200 From: PERILLE Reply-To: perille@club-internet.fr X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 [fr]C-CLUB (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re : SP-808??? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"3C4Ne.0.9z.bKm6t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5294 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I am praticaly sure that one day will come when it's not anymore worth for loop storage. Emmanuel PERILLE > You should also be aware that the 808 is available as the 808pro (I've > used one on a couple of projects. It is available from the factory, or > as an upgrade and adds SCSI and S/PDIF I/O. . . So, you could use any > hard disk for off-line sample storage. FWIW. > > -Doug From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Apr 19 10:19:56 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id KAA05895; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 10:19:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 10:19:56 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhQ9tRP+gYtYdUq5NmsDsR22SxrxxAIVALVJJfxc2itod3nlDbN7gcoS3j5r From: HERETIK777@webtv.net (Mike George) Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 09:06:46 -0500 (CDT) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V99 #163 Message-ID: <24675-371B3876-23519@postoffice-231.iap.bryant.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: Loopers-Delight-d-request@annihilist.com's message of Mon, 19 Apr 1999 03:10:59 -0400 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary=WebTV-Mail-1035524628-12789 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Resent-Message-ID: <"IV89H2.0.m21.6Zp6t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5295 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com --WebTV-Mail-1035524628-12789 Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit You know what is amazing? People who claim to hear RDAC compression...you people need fresh air, you been in too long, maybe after 1000 bounces you can hear it...maybe...if you bounce that much its likely you are and indecisive person anyway. The SP 808 is a WEAPON, not a sampler!!! and for the money it is the big dawg. I bet Doug can also hear sounds above 21Khz...LMAO and I also bet he is one of them I can tell the difference between 24 bit and 18 it and so on...BUT LET ME DELIBERATE YOU...A cd is only 16 bit so go take a healthy dump...eat a candybar...get a hug and a role model and be happy...life is too short lived to e sooooo anal man. YOU Bitchy PRODUCER, The Heretik 777 --WebTV-Mail-1035524628-12789 Content-Description: signature Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/HTML; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit --WebTV-Mail-1035524628-12789-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Apr 19 12:56:23 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id MAA02455; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 12:56:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 12:56:23 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V99 #163 Date: Mon, 19 Apr 99 10:35:46 -0000 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: Doug Tapia To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Message-ID: <1287579445-149113143@arts.unco.edu> Resent-Message-ID: <"A8zQ8.0.jZ7.Dgr6t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5296 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Yo, Mike! Before you flame anybody, perhaps you ought to check out who said what. Doug (That's me, in case you can't pull your eyes up to the FROM line) never said a damn thing about being able to hear RDAC compression. I don't need fresh air, but if compressed audio gets you that upset at a total stranger, perhaps you need to give your hand a rest and get up from your computer. I have consistantly spoken up on this list against such absurd claims as bit depth differences, which is by and large a marketing tool of the companies looking to get people to replace perfectly good gear with the latest and greatest. Much as I hate to admit it, Mike, we probably have a lot mor in common, except perhaps the fact that I have a sense of humor (read "I've not been unimpressed with the performance or sound of the SP-808.") That means that I rather like the beast, Mike. I also said, "I'd be hard pressed to fault the 808's sound quality." The rest of what I said was an attempt to get out of Neal Trembath (the poster who said he had a problem with the 808's compression) exactly what he was hearing that he didn't like in the 808's sound without comming of like a complete know it all ass hole, which is unfortunatly how you've come off, Mike. I value the Loopers-Delight list as an open form for discussion of broad ideas related to looping, and have completly enjoyed recent threads, even if I haven't posted a great deal as of late. I piped up only to enquire what Mr. Trembath ment by his post, and to point out that the 808 did indeed have the hard disk support for which he was wishing. For this I get attacked? Take some of your own advice: Stop being so anal. You are far from the only person on this list with a valed opinion. If somebody says something you don't agree with, how about a little charity. You can eat, shit and hug whomever you damn well like, and check out who said what prior to posting to the entire list and making a complete ass of yourself, as clearly you have now. usually a whole lot nicer, -Doug P.S. Mike, here's a primer: You authored the absurdities below. >Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V99 #163 >Sent: 4/17/19 5:53 AM >Received: 4/19/99 9:51 AM >From: Mike George, HERETIK777@webtv.net >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > >You know what is amazing? People who claim to hear RDAC >compression...you people need fresh air, you been in too long, maybe >after 1000 bounces you can hear it...maybe...if you bounce that much its >likely you are and indecisive person anyway. The SP 808 is a WEAPON, >not a sampler!!! and for the money it is the big dawg. I bet Doug can >also hear sounds above 21Khz...LMAO and I also bet he is one of them I >can tell the difference between 24 bit and 18 it and so on...BUT LET ME >DELIBERATE YOU...A cd is only 16 bit so go take a healthy dump...eat a >candybar...get a hug and a role model and be happy...life is too short >lived to e sooooo anal man. > >YOU Bitchy PRODUCER, >The Heretik 777 > > >>" > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Apr 19 13:09:38 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id NAA04346; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 13:09:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 13:09:38 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 13:01:20 -0400 (EDT) From: Neal Trembath X-Sender: ntrembat@gecko To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: SP-808??? In-Reply-To: <1287627190-146240066@arts.unco.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"tazph3.0.zp.l6s6t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5297 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This was last summer, when the yen was low and you could get one from SoundonSound in Japan for $600. I had been looking for something as a portable sketchpad and quickly developed a crush on the SP-808's specs (20 bit AD/DA, etc.). I tried it in a couple stores and became more excited: the interface is lots of fun (I was not bothered by the non velocity sensitive triggers) and the effects are nifty if not luscious. Then I went in with my trusty pair of nice headphones and was crushed. While there is "high end," there is also always a certain flatness to the samples, a kind of dullness. This was before I knew anything about the sound being compressed. Add to this the Roland-imposed limitation on track time (46 min TOTAL, between all tracks) b/c of the Zip dependence--I presume they wouldn't want it to cut into sales of their hd recorders--and you have an expensive toy. I called Roland. You cannot swap out the internal Zip drive for an hd (as you can with their Zip-dependent 840 recorder, wh voids your warantee), you cannot add an hd with the "pro[P]" SCSI option--it only accepts Zip drives--and you cannot import sound files, except insofar as you import them directly via coax/analog. Plus I'd read in some newsgroup that someone was unhappy w/ its MIDI. I figured, for my use, it had at least better be super portable. Does it run off batteries? Nope. So, since I am not a wedding band DJ nor do I need more expensive toys, that I would wait until (if ever) Roland came out with a useful variant. I think it's more likely that, having crippled it, they will drop it when it doesn't sell as well as it might have. My advice: buy a 202 or a Furby. N On Sun, 18 Apr 1999, Doug Tapia wrote: > Neal, > > Could you elaborate. I've used a lot of high end samplers in my time and > I've not been unimpressed with the performance or sound of the SP-808. > Considering it's market, I'd be hard pressed to fault the 808's sound > quality. (Most of the Drum & Bass projucts, and the like that I've been > involved in have relied on decidedly gritty, low-fi sounds.) Perhaps my > ears have become less selective in regards to this type of production > over the years. > > You should also be aware that the 808 is available as the 808pro (I've > used one on a couple of projects. It is available from the factory, or > as an upgrade and adds SCSI and S/PDIF I/O. . . So, you could use any > hard disk for off-line sample storage. FWIW. > > -Doug > > >Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V99 #158 > >Sent: 4/14/19 5:03 PM > >Received: 4/18/99 12:37 PM > >From: Neal Trembath, ntrembat@statsol.com > >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > > > > > >I liked the 808 too, until I heard it. A little compression problem (like > >the mini disc). Perhaps also if Roland allowed hd instead of ZIP disk. > > > >N > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Apr 19 13:22:10 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id NAA06542; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 13:22:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 13:22:10 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 13:11:57 -0400 (EDT) From: Neal Trembath X-Sender: ntrembat@gecko To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V99 #163 In-Reply-To: <24675-371B3876-23519@postoffice-231.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"W4_oT1.0.ZB1.wGs6t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5298 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I am not sure why you are so angry. You should be flaming me, not Doug. I'm curious: for what apps do you use your 808? By what degree has it helped you sell your music? N Just for note: I and most musicians I know well notice the difference between sound w/w/o a 21KHz ceiling. On Mon, 19 Apr 1999, Mike George wrote: > You know what is amazing? People who claim to hear RDAC > compression...you people need fresh air, you been in too long, maybe > after 1000 bounces you can hear it...maybe...if you bounce that much its > likely you are and indecisive person anyway. The SP 808 is a WEAPON, > not a sampler!!! and for the money it is the big dawg. I bet Doug can > also hear sounds above 21Khz...LMAO and I also bet he is one of them I > can tell the difference between 24 bit and 18 it and so on...BUT LET ME > DELIBERATE YOU...A cd is only 16 bit so go take a healthy dump...eat a > candybar...get a hug and a role model and be happy...life is too short > lived to e sooooo anal man. > > YOU Bitchy PRODUCER, > The Heretik 777 > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Apr 19 13:27:16 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id NAA07767; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 13:27:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 13:27:16 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: landman@pop.ncal.verio.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 10:21:36 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: landman@wco.com (Mark Landman) Subject: Re: SP-808??? Resent-Message-ID: <"syj7z.0.0e1.NPs6t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5299 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com --it only >accepts Zip drives--and you cannot import sound files, except insofar as >you import them directly via coax/analog. Hello Folks- Roland released (rather quietly) both Mac & Windows versions of SP-808 conversion software. This program allows you to mount a 808 formatted Zip to your computer, and convert bidirectionally to wave or aiff formats. In all honesty I haven't worked with this yet, but it should allow archiving of SP-808 samples to any HD you want, clean conversion w/o resampling of wave and aiff files, and basically circumvent some of the 808's worst shortcomings. The software can be downloaded from Roland's US site. Now if only each 808 pad was loopable and layerable in realtime like my Echoplex=8A Best- Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Apr 19 13:30:51 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id NAA08547; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 13:30:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 13:30:51 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 13:21:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Neal Trembath X-Sender: ntrembat@gecko To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: SP-808??? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"N89052.0.Mi1.WQs6t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5300 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com BTW, I'd also read from other 808 owners that some samples work great (simpler waveforms), while others stink. I'd imagine it depends entirely on your app. As I said, I was looking for a composition sketchpad (with the fun gadgets) that could double as an hd recorder. Seems better for live applications. While I am not sure you can add an hd to its SCSI chain, Roland did tell me the SCSI is meant only for data backups. It still must run off its internal Zip drive, which imposes a 100MB limit on songs. N From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Apr 19 13:50:24 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id NAA12660; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 13:50:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 13:50:24 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Reply-To: From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: Subject: RE: SP-808??? Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 10:31:28 -0700 Message-ID: <001601be8a8a$74cb40f0$26ee8fd1@linkexchange.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <"A65Bm3.0.D42.zWs6t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5301 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >Now if only each 808 pad was loopable and layerable in >realtime like my >Echoplex > Yes... That would be incredible. bIz From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Apr 19 14:17:20 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id OAA18007; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 14:17:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 14:17:20 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <371B6237.C90@voicenet.com> Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 13:04:55 -0400 From: Legion X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.02 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Roland GR707 guitar??? References: <1287579445-149113143@arts.unco.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"YR36j.0.Ez3.a4t6t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5302 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I currently have a Roland GR300 and Gr303 synth unit and love it to death. I have a line on a GR707 guitar and the GR700 floor unit and am debating if I should go for it or not. I figured someone here might eb able to help with some questions. I know the synth engine in the unit well so i know what sounds it can do. What I'm not sure of is what the knobs on the guitar do. On the G303 there is a separate knob for filter cutoff and resonance, a tri position for Fuzz, Synth, or fuzz and Synth, and a knob to add the LFO amount. Does anyone know what the knobs onb the Gr707 actually do. From what i read there is a knob for Cutoff (no resonace?) and LFO modulation speed. the later woudl be very cool IMO as even the GR300 doesn't have a guitar knob for speed, it just has one for amount. Finally how well does the GR707/G700 unit track the internal synth? The GR300 is almost flawless but I've always been wary of the GR series. Any other advice or info appreciated. Thanks! ----------------------------------------------------------------------- HELP WANTED PRODUCTIONS - Http://www.voicenet.com/~legion "Bringing you the best in Organic Electronic music since we started..." Home of the Unusual Instrument and Recording Gallery with pictures and info of Tube recorders, Omnichords, weird guitars, Casios, and more. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Apr 19 14:20:40 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id OAA18713; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 14:20:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 14:20:40 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <371B71A5.E7DB799C@magelang.com> Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 12:10:45 -0600 From: Jim Coker Reply-To: jcoker@magelang.com Organization: Magelang Institute X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Subject: Re: Kyma References: <3717AA3C.3548@erols.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"62LFU.0.U54.-6t6t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5303 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Michael Preston wrote: > > Hi Loopers! > > Is anyone out there familiar with the Kyma/Capybara system by Symbolic > Sound Corp? I've had one for a bit more than 2 years now. > > If so, can it be made to loop in interesting ways? Oh, yes, quite a few ways. With the new faster hardware, you can pack in a wide comination of loops and FX. jim From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Apr 19 15:39:38 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id PAA01480; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 15:39:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 15:39:38 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <371B8209.5F4A9F4C@borland.com> Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 12:20:41 -0700 From: daniel thomas Organization: Borland.Com, a division of Inprise Corporation X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gnominus@earthling.net CC: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Attn: Guitarists References: <001401be8888$815c6b40$60d684ce@electra> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"FrE43.0.zm6.Lxt6t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5305 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Steve Howe {YES} is a 'travis style' picker. IOW, he uses a pick between thumb and first finger in conjunction with his remaining fingers. Javier Miranda V. wrote: > By all means, dude, keep the fingers thing. Listen to ZZTop, Dire Straits, > Steve Howe with Yes, lots of dudes kept playing with their fingers. It is a > derivative of the folk-guitar style, but once you develop your own voice and > the knack to deal with the electric side, it's many more pluses than just > playing with one pick. Also, pick up some videos of Dire Straits and Yes, > and you'll see for yourself. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael S. Yoder [mailto:myoder@tamiu.edu] > Sent: Friday 16 April 1999 10:53 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Subject: Attn: Guitarists > > I apologize if this is not appropriate for the list, but. . . . . > > After the series last week on different instruments for looping, I decided > to expand beyond bass, and so I bought an electric guitar!!! I'm now > teaching myself to play it (it's a Peavey "Raptor" which is basically a > Stratocaster copy.) > > The question I have: how many guitarists play solid body guitars of the > strat type with their fingers? I find that a pick is awkward, and my > instinct is to pluck, etc. with my fingers. Am I making a mistake by > foregoing the pick? Should I spend the time getting used to the pick? It > sounds like Leni Stern plays (I think a strat) with her fingers, but I > can't recall hearing anyone else that sounds like that. > > To those kind guitarists who wish to respond, please feel free to answer me > privately. Thanks!!! > Michael > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > > Dr. Michael S. Yoder > Assistant Professor of Geography, > Coordinator of Urban Studies > Texas A&M International University > 5201 University Blvd. > Laredo, TX 78041 > Tel. (956) 326-2634; FAX (956) 326-2464 > Internet:myoder@tamiu.edu > > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=--=-=-=-== From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Apr 19 15:38:36 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id PAA01227; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 15:38:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 15:38:36 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhQIxfIOIfAtbdpXJHHDi9b0mQJkkQIURqhUw/EAcMPURHzSDD9oCQjUBGI= From: vimana@webtv.net (vimana) Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 14:05:03 -0500 (CDT) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: SP-808??? Message-ID: <9074-371B7E5F-14337@postoffice-122.bryant.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: landman@wco.com (Mark Landman)'s message of Mon, 19 Apr 1999 10:21:36 -0800 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary=WebTV-Mail-1526149173-7406 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Resent-Message-ID: <"Tecz2.0.Il6.lwt6t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5304 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com --WebTV-Mail-1526149173-7406 Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit i grabbed the 808 version 1,most of it is way cool,some draw backs of course.each one of the 16 sample pads IS LOOPABLE,but you can only have 4 goin at once.it works great to tweek beyond belief,and very quick to get deep into it.i use it alot more than my esi4000 or jamman easy.for me the reason i use these items,is just a nonlinear way or extension of my mutidiamentional brain,im such a freak and ilove it alllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll hey anybody into alien fuckin drone mindwarping cyborg hybridmetal-this earth is ready to be taken over-----im tired of marilyn manson taking all the cash......looking for other expiriencers to put a serious band together!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!'[-].;,;/-['/;;;.][;.;[;][;..;[][;......bored alien.;;;; --WebTV-Mail-1526149173-7406 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Message/RFC822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Received: from mailsorter-101-1.iap.bryant.webtv.net (209.240.198.97) by postoffice-123.bryant.webtv.net; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 10:55:44 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from rosy.yourwebhost.com (rosy.yourwebhost.com [209.239.39.1]) by mailsorter-101-1.iap.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.8/ms.graham.14Aug97) with ESMTP id KAA06104; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 10:55:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id NAA10916; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 13:41:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 13:41:39 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: landman@pop.ncal.verio.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 10:21:36 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: landman@wco.com (Mark Landman) Subject: Re: SP-808??? Resent-Message-ID: <"syj7z.0.0e1.NPs6t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5299 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com --it only >accepts Zip drives--and you cannot import sound files, except insofar as >you import them directly via coax/analog. Hello Folks- Roland released (rather quietly) both Mac & Windows versions of SP-808 conversion software. This program allows you to mount a 808 formatted Zip to your computer, and convert bidirectionally to wave or aiff formats. In all honesty I haven't worked with this yet, but it should allow archiving of SP-808 samples to any HD you want, clean conversion w/o resampling of wave and aiff files, and basically circumvent some of the 808's worst shortcomings. The software can be downloaded from Roland's US site. Now if only each 808 pad was loopable and layerable in realtime like my Echoplex=8A Best- Mark --WebTV-Mail-1526149173-7406-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Apr 19 16:47:55 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id QAA15616; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 16:47:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 16:47:55 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <01BE8A67.79E3F640.stevehan@transworld-lax.com> From: Steve Han Reply-To: "stevehan@transworld-lax.com" To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Cc: "'myoder@tamiu.edu'" Subject: RE: Attn: Guitarists Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 13:17:47 -0700 Organization: Transworld Freight Systems X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"xf7EQ.0.uh2.d4v6t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5306 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Dear Michael, Your message is so humble. You are probably a master musician on your first instrument. (Bass ?) Many guitarists wish that they can use their fingers to pick the strings, like that guy.... what's his name... from Dire Straits...Mark... Anyways, think of it this way. Guitarists stuck with only knowing how to use the pick versus 5 different fingers to pick the strings. Just ask the great John Williams, There is a world of difference. Even John Mclaughlin and Al Dimeola look up to the great Paco DeLucia, the Flamenco guitar master, who picks (oops, excuse me, plucks) every blistering 64th note triplets with a smile on his humble face. There's no comparison. Of course you'll want to have good strong, well kept, smooth finger nails to produce the nice tone but even one of the greatest composer named Fernando Sor, a very close friend of Dionisio Aguado, the master classical guitar performer, played with the skin of his fingers and produced nice enough tone to perform throughout Europe during the late 1800's. Since you will be using your new Raptor Electric Guitar, producing a nice tone should be easy with proper EQ-ing, if you are using the skin of your fingers to produce the contact on the strings, which usually is a duller sounding result and sloppy string vibration. Producing the sharp, crisp attack on the string is important even though you are playing an electric guitar. Cultivating and Maintaining the quality of your finger nails will be the key to good tone and precise attack on the strings. The speed will come later as you adjust to the spaces between the strings and the position of your hand (placing and angle of your attack). I recommend a slight tilt of the hand position to the strings (about 50 degree) with your fingers towards the fretboard. This will allow your finger nails to slide off the strings without catching. Attacking the strings at a 90 degree, at perpendicular, should be avoided. This will only cause tension on your wrist and good tone and contact/release will be difficult. It is also important that the headstock of the guitar should be at the level of your ear so that your left hand (if you are right handed) is free to maneuver around the fretboard without having to support the guitar neck while grasping for strings. Any one line runs or scales should be struck with rotating fingers, using i (indice, point finger) & m (medio, middle), i & a (anular, 3rd finger) or any combination there of, using rest strokes at first, anchoring the p (pulgar, thumb) and letting the finger rest on the adjacent string after contact, then free strokes, to recycle the finger after hitting without resting on the adjacent string, as you become confident with the space between your fingers and the strings, freeing the pulgar to add to your picking. Avoid repeating same finger in consecutive succession. This will lead you to an abyss of bad habits and your best result will be your friends calling you Mr. Twitch. (j/k) Before you get the habit of just using the pick, let your instinct guide you and explore the unlimited possibility of using your fingers to pluck. I recommend taking a classical guitar class. It will provide you with the basic technics which will mold your playing style. If not, use the above few examples and you'll get a firm start. Just remember, since you have given yourself 4 more picking apparatus, think about harmonies, 2 - 3 voice composition, and different texture you can create, whether plucking or strumming. Try using thicker gage strings which will feel more sturdy to your fingers, such as .10 or above (I'm referring to high E). FYI, these are technics I've learned from my 8 years of Classical Guitar study and I feel confident about the a/m technics and tips but seek advise from others who may offer you even a clearer and better approach. Have fun with your new guitar and drop me a line if you have a question. Steve (Curbie) -----Original Message----- From: Michael S. Yoder [SMTP:myoder@tamiu.edu] Sent: Friday, April 16, 1999 10:53 AM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Attn: Guitarists I apologize if this is not appropriate for the list, but. . . . . After the series last week on different instruments for looping, I decided to expand beyond bass, and so I bought an electric guitar!!! I'm now teaching myself to play it (it's a Peavey "Raptor" which is basically a Stratocaster copy.) The question I have: how many guitarists play solid body guitars of the strat type with their fingers? I find that a pick is awkward, and my instinct is to pluck, etc. with my fingers. Am I making a mistake by foregoing the pick? Should I spend the time getting used to the pick? It sounds like Leni Stern plays (I think a strat) with her fingers, but I can't recall hearing anyone else that sounds like that. To those kind guitarists who wish to respond, please feel free to answer me privately. Thanks!!! Michael =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Dr. Michael S. Yoder Assistant Professor of Geography, Coordinator of Urban Studies Texas A&M International University 5201 University Blvd. Laredo, TX 78041 Tel. (956) 326-2634; FAX (956) 326-2464 Internet:myoder@tamiu.edu =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=--=-=-=-== From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Apr 19 17:37:26 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id RAA25952; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 17:37:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 17:37:26 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: From: David Kirkdorffer To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Attention Boston Loopers! Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 17:13:37 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <"NU97E.0.OM5.8sv6t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5307 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Open FauceT presents The Space Lounge at Mobius in Boston Friday 23 April, 1999 Greetings! Open FauceT is proud to host a visit from 'The Space Lounge', at Mobius in Boston this Friday 23rd of April. "What is 'The Space Lounge?'" I hear you ask. Well, it's a place to hang out where your mind can wander (and wonder!) while your senses are charmed. This Friday, we will be guided by a team of eight ambient & looping explorers. The format to the navigation will be a round of small 10-15 minute excursions, followed by longer treks through the underbrush of tone and tenacity. There will be several short intermissions for refreshments and recalibration. You are invited to move around. Performances will be starting at 8:00pm. You may want to make reservations: (617)542-7416 Mobius is located at: 354 Congress St Boston, MA 02210. Directions to Mobius can be found here: http://world.std.com/~mobius/info/mobius_directions.html Alphabetically, the team describes themselves: Asmodeus Spectre Asmodeus Spectre comes from the brain of Aaron Thall, a musician, composer, listener, observer, electronickid from the boston area. Says Aaron: "I usually don't plan a specific time to sit down and write a song, rather, I run up to the computer when I feel the inspiration. Ii'm always working on several songs at a time. Which song I decide to work on depends on my current mood. Locking myself in my room and saying, 'I'm going to write an awesome song write now' doesn't work... You'll either come out with something insincere or spend an hour worrying about the exact quantization and velocity values of an insignificant note. The inspiration behind the different moods of each song comes from real life. You've got to get out and experience the different emotions of living, then come home and get 'em into the sequencer as quickly as possible. It's an audio form of journal-writing." Dr. T. I like to describe my work with phrases like Video Music and Image Jazz. I am creating video pieces that use imagery and music on an equal level - imagery becomes music, and the combination becomes something more than the sum of the parts. My imagery deliberately straddles the line between the objective and the non-objective. Images from the real world are used and combined with the intent to produce results that are evocative and 'musical', and which relate to the image subjects, but do not present a specific 'message' to the viewer. The 'message', perhaps, is that things are more interesting than they seem. Minor White's phrase "Photographing things for what else they are," has informed my photography for many years, and informs this work as well. Plastic Razor Protector Plastic Razor Protector (PRP) is the semi-cacophonic, electro-sonic, experimental vehicle driven by 2000 Joe Browns (2KJB). In its current portable configuration, PRP consists of 2KJB, a guitar, a chain of pedals, and an amplifier. Audience reactions have ranged from "[It] was really a tickle" to "What the hell is that?" rosS Hamlin rosS Hamlin is a member of the Mobius Artists Group, co-founder/director of Open FauceT productions, and an active mixed-media performer in the area. He graduated from Berklee College of Mucus in 1996. Tonight's piece was recently premiered at Rhode Island School of Design. The Very The sound of one, twelve, three-hundred pianos builds to a climactic or continuous loop only to be interrupted by the first quiet piano again, or gradually undermined by a distorted bass rumbling. Then, sometimes it's just ambient. Like all music, an experiment with silence replacement. The Very lives in Boston. Songs of Silt The music of Songs of Silt began when Nick Carstoiu (keyboards, loops, 12 string guitar and vocals) and Jon Wobesky (trumpet, flugelhorn, bass guitar, melodeon, recorder and percussion) were waiting for the drummer in their former band (Silky) to show up for practice. Nick, formerly with The Freeborn and Twins Love School, has studied classical piano and cello, film scoring with Earle Hagen and his band The Freeborn opened for the Velvet Underground at the Boston Tea Party. Jon, played trumpet with the Jazz Pilots and the Merrimac Valley Philharmonic, bass with Womb to Tomb and Silky and everything with The Wild Shores. Appearing with Songs of Silt tonight are Special Guests, Myriam Hammani (voice) and Susan DeLeo (guitar and voice). Zero Times Infinity Zero Times Infinity use found sound, live sampling, on the fly electronics, and a heap of scrap metal and assorted junk to create their sound and performance experiments - sometimes ambient, sometime noisy, sometimes harmonic, sometimes rhythmic and usually hard to put a finger on. Started in 1995 with a decision to avoid "what was known" by the participants, it has continually developed in front of audiences by taking the creative element to the stage rather than replicating old compositions. ZTI frequently builds on ideas discovered in the previous performance or destroys the old canvas to restart from a fresh one. Every Zero Times Infinity performance is new. Recent performances have experimented with feedback systems and recycling sounds created on stage so that in some form the sound you heard in the beginning still exists in an unrecognizable form in the end after many layers and transformations have taken place. Mobius, Inc. is funded by the Massachusetts Cultural Council(MCC); the Boston Cultural Council, a local agency supported by the MCC; the LEF Foundation; the ArtsLink Partnership; New England Foundation for the Arts (NEFA); Foundation for Contemporary Performance Arts; and generous private support.< From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Apr 19 18:14:51 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id SAA00351; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 18:14:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 18:14:51 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <000e01be8aaf$8d3c4600$865bdfc8@doutor> From: "Julio Moreno" To: References: <001401be8888$815c6b40$60d684ce@electra> <371B8209.5F4A9F4C@borland.com> Subject: Re: Attn: Guitarists Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 18:56:59 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Resent-Message-ID: <"z2HxN2.0.l67.tOw6t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5308 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Check Albert Lee , Danny Gaton and James Burton! High Hopes, Julio. Pd; Albert King and Johnny Winter too. ----- Original Message ----- From: daniel thomas To: Cc: Sent: Monday, April 19, 1999 4:20 PM Subject: Re: Attn: Guitarists > Steve Howe {YES} is a 'travis style' picker. IOW, he uses a pick between thumb > and first finger in conjunction with his remaining fingers. > > Javier Miranda V. wrote: > > > By all means, dude, keep the fingers thing. Listen to ZZTop, Dire Straits, > > Steve Howe with Yes, lots of dudes kept playing with their fingers. It is a > > derivative of the folk-guitar style, but once you develop your own voice and > > the knack to deal with the electric side, it's many more pluses than just > > playing with one pick. Also, pick up some videos of Dire Straits and Yes, > > and you'll see for yourself. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Michael S. Yoder [mailto:myoder@tamiu.edu] > > Sent: Friday 16 April 1999 10:53 AM > > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > > Subject: Attn: Guitarists > > > > I apologize if this is not appropriate for the list, but. . . . . > > > > After the series last week on different instruments for looping, I decided > > to expand beyond bass, and so I bought an electric guitar!!! I'm now > > teaching myself to play it (it's a Peavey "Raptor" which is basically a > > Stratocaster copy.) > > > > The question I have: how many guitarists play solid body guitars of the > > strat type with their fingers? I find that a pick is awkward, and my > > instinct is to pluck, etc. with my fingers. Am I making a mistake by > > foregoing the pick? Should I spend the time getting used to the pick? It > > sounds like Leni Stern plays (I think a strat) with her fingers, but I > > can't recall hearing anyone else that sounds like that. > > > > To those kind guitarists who wish to respond, please feel free to answer me > > privately. Thanks!!! > > Michael > > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > > > > Dr. Michael S. Yoder > > Assistant Professor of Geography, > > Coordinator of Urban Studies > > Texas A&M International University > > 5201 University Blvd. > > Laredo, TX 78041 > > Tel. (956) 326-2634; FAX (956) 326-2464 > > Internet:myoder@tamiu.edu > > > > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=--=-=-=-== > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Apr 19 21:44:59 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id VAA06109; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 21:44:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 21:44:59 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 18:10:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Pee Davignon To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Subject: picks? fangars? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"8g-cc.0.F_7.gHz6t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5309 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com My advice is to decide which sound you like better versus how easy it is to learn. When I play acoustic guitar, I switch between a pick, a AA battery, fingers, a modified rubber scraper, a drum stick, and a coiled up bass string. They all have their unique sounds, uses, and playing styles. I'm not really all that great with any of them, but they sure make purty sounds.Even different picks sound different. An electric egg beater can make you sound like an 80's heavy metal guitar wizard. matt From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Apr 19 23:08:23 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id XAA19938; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 23:08:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 23:08:23 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Reply-To: From: "Javier Miranda V." To: Subject: RE: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V99 #163 Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 19:33:00 -0700 Message-ID: <001701be8ad6$1bc3be00$abd684ce@electra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <1287579445-149113143@arts.unco.edu> Resent-Message-ID: <"pGl6m2.0.XS3.mU-6t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5310 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Well, this is good only if they allow you to eat them, hug them, etc., right? <> From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Apr 20 01:19:59 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id BAA24499; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 01:19:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 01:19:59 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <371BC3E2.CC792CE@texas.net> Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 00:02:04 +0000 From: Bobdog Reply-To: psbuddha@texas.net Organization: Pseudo Buddha/Doghouse Ent. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: picks? fangars? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"h6QSi.0.II4._e07t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5311 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com my 2 cents: i really like the physical-ness of picking with fingers; it's a very unemcumbered way of contacting with the instrument. i don't play as fast as i used to, but that's not where my head is at at all today. i find that i can express more of the nuance of the music in my head if i use my fingers. it's a very dynamic way of playing guitar. i like it. bobdog From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Apr 20 02:16:36 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id CAA03548; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 02:16:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 02:16:36 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <008d01be8af2$ae6313c0$1423c0d8@default> From: "Alan Imberg" To: "Loopers" Subject: Akai Headrush Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 22:57:22 -0700 Organization: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_008A_01BE8AB7.FC485680" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Resent-Message-ID: <"-LGGt1.0.PG._U17t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5312 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_008A_01BE8AB7.FC485680 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable After 7 weeks of waiting, I finally received my Akai Headrush pedal = today. I've only had a brief amount of time to play with it today but it = sounds great through my rig, especially the tape echo simulation. It = seems to have more looping bang for the buck compared to my DOD = Dimension 12. I will post a more detailed description latter this week. Best Regards, Alan I. ------=_NextPart_000_008A_01BE8AB7.FC485680 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
After 7 weeks of waiting, I finally received my Akai = Headrush=20 pedal today. I've only had a brief amount of time to play with it today = but it=20 sounds great through my rig, especially the tape echo simulation. It = seems to=20 have more looping bang for the buck compared to my DOD Dimension 12. I = will post=20 a more detailed description latter this week.
Best Regards,
Alan I.
------=_NextPart_000_008A_01BE8AB7.FC485680-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Apr 20 03:53:27 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id DAA17538; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 03:53:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 03:53:27 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: KRosser414@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 03:31:12 EDT Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V99 #162 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 Reply-To: KRosser414@aol.com Resent-Message-ID: <"C7U2w1.0.lo3.ps27t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5314 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 4/18/99 7:10:32 AM !!!First Boot!!!, Loopers-Delight-d-request@annihilist.com writes: << After months of dust, I've taken out my Jamman and connected to my studio gear, to be able to record some loop lines. Have aybody experienced some hiss in delay mode? with high feedback values it makes the unit unusable... >> Never...aside from having to clean scratchy pots a few times, it's as quiet as can be Ken R From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Apr 20 03:53:28 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id DAA17539; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 03:53:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 03:53:28 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: KRosser414@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 03:28:15 EDT Subject: Re: Solidbody fingerstyle guys... To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 Reply-To: KRosser414@aol.com Resent-Message-ID: <"D1qEe2.0.2m3.Gq27t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5313 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 4/20/99 7:06:21 AM !!!First Boot!!!, Loopers-Delight-d-request@annihilist.com writes: << The question I have: how many guitarists play solid body guitars of the strat type with their fingers? >> Not necessarily limiting this to strats, but some solidbody fingerstyle guys: Albert Collins Jeff Beck (predominantly a strat guy these days, I'm pretty sure) Ry Cooder (strat guy from WAY back) Mick Goodrick John Abercrombie (used to use a pick but didn't the last few years that I've seen him) Lenny Breau Ali Farka Toure Mark Knopfler (strat in the early days, plays Suhr "strats" now) Wayne Krantz occasionally does some interesting fingerstyle stuff on a strat but that's not really his main thang Many other names are going to come to mind once I send this, I'm sure Ken R From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Apr 20 10:37:17 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id KAA08016; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 10:37:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 10:37:17 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: KB305@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 10:11:59 EDT Subject: guitarists? To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 246 Reply-To: KB305@aol.com Resent-Message-ID: <"FgNzB.0.Qx.kk87t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5315 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I use a Jim Dunlop Jazz III pick, plus the remaining seventeen or so fingers on my right hand. However, I once saw Adrian Belew use a cordless electric drill (you may want to post to the Belew website about the correct bit to use), and Reeves Gabrels use a vibrator (I have no idea of the brand, but it was silver in color). Please, spend some time in prayer and meditation before you commit yourself to a path. Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Apr 20 11:11:41 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id LAA14953; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 11:11:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 11:11:41 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 10:45:27 -0400 (EDT) From: Neal Trembath X-Sender: ntrembat@gecko To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: guitarists? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"pOSRR3.0.UT2.iE97t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5316 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Not that heavy metal is derivative or anything, but I see that Paul Gilbert must have seen Adrian Belew before I saw Paul play a drill on his fringed guitar with four picks stuck into the bit. I figured it was Paul's way at poking fun at himself. N On Tue, 20 Apr 1999 KB305@aol.com wrote: > on my right hand. However, I once saw Adrian Belew use a cordless electric From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Apr 20 11:14:58 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id LAA15594; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 11:14:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 11:14:58 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 10:48:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Neal Trembath X-Sender: ntrembat@gecko To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: Attn: Guitarists In-Reply-To: <01BE8A67.79E3F640.stevehan@transworld-lax.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"gW7Fj3.0.Yc2.IH97t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5317 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I think it was Mark Keebler. N On Mon, 19 Apr 1999, Steve Han wrote: > > Many guitarists wish that they can use their > fingers to pick the strings, like that guy.... > what's his name... from Dire Straits...Mark... From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Apr 20 11:47:58 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id LAA22174; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 11:47:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 11:47:58 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Reply-To: From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: Subject: RE: guitarists? Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 08:35:20 -0700 Message-ID: <003501be8b43$665b6d10$26ee8fd1@linkexchange.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <"edgwf.0.Pj4.bv97t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5318 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > >Not that heavy metal is derivative or anything, but I see >that Paul >Gilbert must have seen Adrian Belew before I saw Paul play >a drill on his >fringed guitar with four picks stuck into the bit. I >figured it was >Paul's way at poking fun at himself. Nahh, I'm sure that they are all capable of individual thought, and all have just as lazy picking arms. bIz From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Apr 20 13:04:48 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id NAA04374; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 13:04:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 13:04:48 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19990420124018.0075c9dc@postoffice.mail.cornell.edu> X-Sender: km15@postoffice.mail.cornell.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) -- [Cornell Modified] Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 12:40:18 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: kevin miller Subject: Re: guitarists? In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"-vYXZ3.0.IA.HwA7t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5319 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 10:45 AM 4/20/99 -0400, you wrote: > >Not that heavy metal is derivative or anything, but I see that Paul >Gilbert must have seen Adrian Belew before I saw Paul play a drill on his >fringed guitar with four picks stuck into the bit. I figured it was >Paul's way at poking fun at himself. He poked a little too close to home when (this is true) his hair got caught in the drill- bzzzzRR0MPp-p-p!! Painful, yes- humiliating, maybe, but that's rock 'n' roll, or some kind of rock anyways. And that's enough shameful non-looping content from me. K From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Apr 20 15:07:23 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id PAA26856; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 15:07:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 15:07:23 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: cstecker@barr642.berkeley.edu (Unverified) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 11:03:40 -0700 To: ba-newmus@eartha.mills.edu, analogue@hyperreal.com, loopers-delight@annihilist.com, snuggles@kuci.org, omni-artists@barr642.berkeley.edu From: Chris Stecker Subject: EVENT (SF): Omni-Micro Sound/Design Apr 22 Resent-Message-ID: <"3FCDR1.0.Mn4._SC7t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5320 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Artists' Theater Workshop (Oakland), AirSickBags Omnimedia, & Ovenguard Music Present: Omnimicro: A Series of Themed Electronic Improvisational Explorations. *** This Thursday: Sound/Design *** Where: Artists' Theatre Workshop 1932 Telegraph Ave Downtown Oakland (very close to 19th street BART station) When: Thursday April 22 Doors open @ 7:30 Performances begin @ 8:00 featuring: Wobbly (Opus 415, Extracted Celluloid, Cultural Labyrinth) Involution (Other Minds, RRR-500 Lock Grooves Project) David Elinoff ("sonoburst between the light between the trees") Brain Science (Extracted Celluloid, This is Ovenguard) Greg Jalbert / Imaja (live visual mix) Optikal Nutrasweet(tm) (visuals) An evening of ambient soundscapes, electronics, abstract sound collage, sculpture, and environmental sound design. With live computer graphics and animation by Greg Jalbert, inventor of "Bliss Paint," this event promises to be extraordinarily immersive. Close your eyes and be there. ----------------- This is the third of a four-part weekly series happening in Oakland this month. The series is a spinoff of the successful OmniMedia festival, which you may have read about in last December's "Electronic Musician." For more information on this show, and upcoming performances on April 29th, check out http://www.ovenguard.com If you have other questions, please do not hesitate to write me directly. Thanks. -Chris Stecker honcho, Ovenguard Music From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Apr 20 18:28:20 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id SAA32585; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 18:28:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 18:28:20 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 22:51:09 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Lee Fletcher Subject: 'Headrush' replies MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike (32) Version 4.00 Resent-Message-ID: <"X0QSf.0.jn6.icF7t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5321 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Dear Loopers, Thanks for all the info' regarding Akai's 'Headrush' unit. It would appear that it is currently unavailable in the UK :-( I guess I'll have to be patient - hope it's worth the wait! In the mean time I look forward to reading Alan Imberg's review... Regards, Lee Fletcher From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Apr 20 19:16:20 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id TAA09366; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 19:16:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 19:16:20 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <3148bfde.244e5d39@aol.com> Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 18:44:09 EDT Subject: Re: Attn: Guitarists To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 Reply-To: Nemoguitt@aol.com Resent-Message-ID: <"m07DH3.0.qs.XFG7t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5322 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 4/20/99 2:13:49 PM Mid-Atlantic Daylight Time, ntrembat@statsol.com writes: << I think it was Mark Keebler. >> nah..... hes one of the elves that makes keebler crackers......mark knofler (sp) is the dire straits fellow.........michael From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Apr 20 19:29:57 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id TAA11694; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 19:29:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 19:29:57 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <371D0558.D75EC6CA@uswest.com> Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 16:53:12 -0600 From: "James Lanpheer" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en]C-USWC0720 (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Subject: EVENTIDE. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Zb2qW3.0.VG1.nMG7t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5323 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Occasionally on this list, someone will offer up the fact that they or someone else that they know "is doing some *real cool looping stuff* on the Eventide". However, usually that's followed by someone asking a simple question about WHAT they're really able to do with it, looping-wise, only to have their question met with DEAD SILENCE (at least on-list). Do you have a secret Eventide Harmonizer looping discussion group? Is there a password or secret handshake or something? I'm a potential buyer of a Harmonizer, but more for the pitch-bend and various effects. Any looping capabilities that it has are totally unknown to me and apparently, to others. If anyone is currently working in this area, I'd love to hear from you! Regards, Jim From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Apr 20 20:06:32 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id UAA19264; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 20:06:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 20:06:32 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 16:26:12 -0700 Message-ID: <001C6997.C21407@wj.com> From: Mike.Biffle@wj.com (Mike Biffle) Subject: Re[2]: Attn: Guitarists To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, Nemoguitt@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Resent-Message-ID: <"S7DFn3.0.y83.myG7t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5324 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com << I think it was Mark Keebler. >> > nah..... hes one of the elves that makes keebler crackers......mark knofler > (sp) is the dire straits fellow.........michael But have you guys heard about Keef Mangler? -m From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Apr 20 20:26:16 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id UAA23001; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 20:26:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 20:26:16 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: landman@pop.ncal.verio.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 17:07:32 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: landman@wco.com (Mark Landman) Subject: Re: EVENTIDE/Granular Resent-Message-ID: <"P90K32.0.hp4.yRH7t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5325 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >Occasionally on this list, someone will offer up the fact that they or >someone else that they know "is doing some *real cool looping stuff* on >the Eventide". > >However, usually that's followed by someone asking a simple question >about WHAT they're really able to do with it, looping-wise, only to have >their question met with DEAD SILENCE (at least on-list). > >Do you have a secret Eventide Harmonizer looping discussion group? Is >there a password or secret handshake or something? This is certainly true. If there is a secret handshake, I've been left out. But being lucky enough to own a used H3000 D/SX, I'll share my meager knowledge. This unit doesn't have the upgrade sampling card, but the Mod factory algorythm allows patching together numerous delays, panners, pitch shifters, etc. One of the modulatable parameters is delay "hold" on/off, so by sending the random lfo, or midi to the two delays, you can get them to randomly hold short chunks of audio, (as well as change delay times, etc). I use this on the output of my Echoplex often, as it adds a pleasant random variation to a steady loop. I understand the stock algos won't recognize the sampling card, but the Mod Factory does! Unfortunately, Eventide upgrades are a little too pricey. What I'd really enjoy as a loop processor is a unit dedicated to various stereo granular tricks. There's Kyma (and numerous non-realtime software programs), but it'd be great to have a dedicated box for this. Kim, you folks came up with the last word in long delay times with the Echoplex, any thoughts about the ultra short delay times of granular synthesis? Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Apr 20 21:00:39 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id VAA29487; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 21:00:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 21:00:39 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: From: "Schreier, Steven (Steven)" To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: EVENTIDE. Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 18:14:04 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <"1MpIp2.0.A85.fYH7t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5328 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I work within the Eventide realm but not for sample looping per se, although it does have the sampling option. The Eventide is used merely for sonic distortion and manipulation as an end point of my looping chain. I program multiple delay effects/panning and reverbs to subtlely tweak the envelope even more.The nice thing is AES/EBU direct out into a Sony R-500 DAT . Steven J. Schreier Lucent Technologies Software Implementation Team San Diego, Ca. Voice: 619.874.1753 Fax: 619.874.1701 E-mail: schreier@lucent.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Apr 20 20:45:45 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id UAA26835; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 20:45:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 20:45:45 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <00d201be8b89$f341aaa0$d36703cf@rjiredff> From: "Jonathan Brainin" To: Subject: Eventide GTR4000 for sale (was Re: EVENTIDE.) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 20:00:17 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"6_Iw-1.0.uu4.0UH7t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5327 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I'm selling a GTR4000 with the Alchemy 101 card (adds an additional 200+ newer presets) for $2200 plus shipping/ handling. Check out the Eventide website for more information at: http://www.eventide.com/profaud/gtr4000.htm . The easiest way to find out about the looping capabilities of the Eventide GTR/DSP4000 is to call Eventide and ask to speak with Scott Gilfix. He's their resident loop fanatic and he can give you more info about the looping abilities of the box than any one else out there. Phone # is 201/641-1200 However, here's a quick synopsis of some Eventide looping functions (when used with one of the Eventide sampling boards): * Up to 87 second stereo loops (at 44.1k sampling rate) * tap tempo looping * easily adjusted feedback * bpm/ #measure loops * multiply * undo * skew loops (right loop=x% time of left loop) * pannable stereo loops * pitch shifted loops etc., etc, etc. It works pretty damned well. Jonathan jbrainin@planet.net -----Original Message----- From: James Lanpheer To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Tuesday, April 20, 1999 7:33 PM Subject: EVENTIDE. >Occasionally on this list, someone will offer up the fact that they or >someone else that they know "is doing some *real cool looping stuff* on >the Eventide". > >However, usually that's followed by someone asking a simple question >about WHAT they're really able to do with it, looping-wise, only to have >their question met with DEAD SILENCE (at least on-list). > >Do you have a secret Eventide Harmonizer looping discussion group? Is >there a password or secret handshake or something? > >I'm a potential buyer of a Harmonizer, but more for the pitch-bend and >various effects. Any looping capabilities that it has are totally >unknown to me and apparently, to others. If anyone is currently working >in this area, I'd love to hear from you! > >Regards, >Jim > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Apr 20 20:45:45 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id UAA26834; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 20:45:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 20:45:45 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <2.2.32.19990421000857.00e2ce94@pop.chromatic.com> X-Sender: kflint@pop.chromatic.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 17:08:57 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: EVENTIDE. Resent-Message-ID: <"rpHJ5.0.vt4.fTH7t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5326 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 04:53 PM 4/20/99 -0600, you wrote: >Occasionally on this list, someone will offer up the fact that they or >someone else that they know "is doing some *real cool looping stuff* on >the Eventide". > >However, usually that's followed by someone asking a simple question >about WHAT they're really able to do with it, looping-wise, only to have >their question met with DEAD SILENCE (at least on-list). > >Do you have a secret Eventide Harmonizer looping discussion group? Is >there a password or secret handshake or something? I've been trying to get details on that for about 2.5 years for the web site, and so far have a combination of unfulfilled promises and dead silence to show for it. Since I don't really want to buy one just to do the web page, whoever is divulging the secret handshake please share with me too. thanks, kim ________________________________________________________ Kim Flint, MTS 408-752-9284 ATI Research kflint@atitech.com http://www.atitech.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Apr 20 21:14:53 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id VAA32143; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 21:14:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 21:14:53 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <2.2.32.19990421003927.00d9ad58@pop.chromatic.com> X-Sender: kflint@pop.chromatic.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 17:39:27 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: EVENTIDE/Granular Cc: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Resent-Message-ID: <"Wk4Io2.0.VM6.YwH7t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5329 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 05:07 PM 4/20/99 -0800, Mark Landman wrote: >Kim, you folks came up with the last word in long delay times with the >Echoplex, any thoughts about the ultra short delay times of granular >synthesis? > set record mode to SUS, set Overdub mode to SUS, Set Insert mode to RPL (replace). Then all these functions work in the "sustain" mode, where they are only on while the button is held. What this lets you do is tap the button very lightly, to get the function on for a very short period of time. So you can record micro-length loops, overdub micro-sized bits, replace micro-sized bits. (rumor has it there might be a similar feature for Insert and Multiply some day, and rumor has it that it's even more fun....) I can easily get the record lengths below 10ms with Record=SUS, where the repetition rate is an audible frequency. I'm not sure if this is exactly what you are looking for, but it does seem a bit like a real-time approach to granular synthesis. And its damn fun!! You can make some very cool textures this way. Take some loop, sustain some new sound, tap replace and/or overdub over it a whole bunch of times, repeat with different sounds .....you'll lose a weekend, I guarantee it. kim ________________________________________________________ Kim Flint, MTS 408-752-9284 ATI Research kflint@atitech.com http://www.atitech.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Apr 20 22:43:34 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id WAA14699; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 22:43:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 22:43:34 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: landman@pop.ncal.verio.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 19:12:38 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: landman@wco.com (Mark Landman) Subject: Re: EVENTIDE/Granular Resent-Message-ID: <"wJirH1.0.BK2.DHJ7t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5330 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >set record mode to SUS, set Overdub mode to SUS, Set Insert mode to RPL >(replace). Then all these functions work in the "sustain" mode, where they >are only on while the button is held. What this lets you do is tap the >button very lightly, to get the function on for a very short period of time= . >So you can record micro-length loops, overdub micro-sized bits, replace >micro-sized bits. (rumor has it there might be a similar feature for Insert >and Multiply some day, and rumor has it that it's even more fun....) I can >easily get the record lengths below 10ms with Record=3DSUS, where the >repetition rate is an audible frequency. I'm not sure if this is exactly >what you are looking for, but it does seem a bit like a real-time approach >to granular synthesis. And its damn fun!! You can make some very cool >textures this way. Take some loop, sustain some new sound, tap replace >and/or overdub over it a whole bunch of times, repeat with different sounds >.....you'll lose a weekend, I guarantee it. > Which reminds me, there's something like this on=8A http://www.ovenguard.com =8Athat sounds rather interesting. Micro controlling the Plex would indeed start to get into granular land, but that's only one granular "stream". Most of the programs I've run into allow multiple streams and/or overlapping. A great example is "Thonk", which David Myers talked about a little on the list. Non-real-time, but pretty damn amazing. Thonk uses a few different settings of a larger algorthim, no user adjustable features, yet much sonic variety ensues. If you haven't played with this Kim, I guarantee yet another lost weekend! And I'm getting very enthused by the small hints of new Echoplex features, anything else that's sharable at this time? best- Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 21 00:40:19 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id AAA07152; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 00:40:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 00:40:19 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <4.1.19990420230511.00b086b0@mail.winternet.com> X-Sender: r4c@mail.winternet.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 23:09:53 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: "L. Stafford" Subject: Re: EVENTIDE/Granular In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"N73UD3.0.x07.azK7t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5331 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 05:07 PM 4/20/99 -0800, Mark Landman wrote: > >What I'd really enjoy as a loop processor is a unit dedicated to various >stereo granular tricks. There's Kyma (and numerous non-realtime software >programs), but it'd be great to have a dedicated box for this. > >Kim, you folks came up with the last word in long delay times with the >Echoplex, any thoughts about the ultra short delay times of granular >synthesis? > Check out AudioMulch at http://www.audiomulch.com/. It does realtime granular synthesis from either a sampled loop input, or an audio input. It's in beta, but already looks to be VERY promising for realtime audio processing. I have found it quite useful for doing realtime processing and/or sound design. Lorren Stafford Richard For Cerebellum/A Most Happy Sound http://www.winternet.com/~r4c "We ask ourselves whether truly this is the beginning of a new world or whether perhaps the world...is about to perish. There are people who earnestly and seriously fear this, where music becomes the slave of the machine..." From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 21 01:11:38 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id BAA18568; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 01:11:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 01:11:38 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: PJBMHB@aol.com Message-ID: <96fa67ec.244eb0a6@aol.com> Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 00:40:06 EDT Subject: Re: EVENTIDE/Granular To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 Reply-To: PJBMHB@aol.com Resent-Message-ID: <"5RDoX.0.8w1.QSL7t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5332 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com what does granular mean? =-) PJ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 21 04:37:06 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id EAA20947; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 04:37:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 04:37:06 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <371D4084.9D7586AC@texas.net> Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 03:05:49 +0000 From: Bobdog Reply-To: psbuddha@texas.net Organization: Pseudo Buddha/Doghouse Ent. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Attn: Guitarists References: <001C6997.C21407@wj.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"UKH9-3.0.kN4.yRO7t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5333 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com zoogs rift. that's the guy. bobdog Mike Biffle wrote: > But have you guys heard about Keef Mangler? From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 21 08:00:41 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id IAA12294; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 08:00:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 08:00:41 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199904211133.HAA29515@mail-out-3.tiac.net> Subject: New JD CD Date: Wed, 21 Apr 99 07:34:41 -0400 x-sender: jdurant@pop.tiac.net x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: jdurant To: "Loopers-Delight" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <"5_Y213.0.4C2.iVR7t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5334 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi All- Just a quick shameless plug for my new CD, Anatomy of a Wish. This CD is the logical follow-up to Silent Extinction, only (IMO) better. (I know, of course you think it's better...) Anatomy of a Wish features JD on guitar and cloud guitars (loopage), Vinny Sabatino (of Boston's Night Shift and Universal Language) on Percussion and Drums; Tony Levin (Peter Gabriel/King Crimson/Etc.) on Electric Upright Bass, Stick, and Electric Bass; and Michael Manring on Fretless Bass on one track. The CD was mastered by the master hisself, David Torn. You can check it out at www.alchemyrecords.com or call at 1-800-292-6932. (Audio smaples *should* be up later today...) It will be in stores mid-may, but it's available direct now. There. Shameless plug over now. Later, Jon Durant From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 21 12:05:56 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id MAA22288; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 12:05:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 12:05:56 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <010001be8c0d$12dba2c0$5e2310ac@Douglas> From: "K. Douglas Baldwin" To: , Subject: Re:Where is Bob Sellon? Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 11:38:08 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 Content-Type: text/plain; boundary="----------------------------"; charset="iso-8859-1" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"gwMob1.0.cv3.b1V7t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5336 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Anybody know the whereabouts of Bob Sellon? I have a Lexicon PCM42 which he modified for me back in the mid-80's. It has some qurks in need of repair, I am itching to play in public again, and I need his help (or the help of someone who knows his work w/ PCM42. The email address and his personal Web site via the Looper's Delight site are invalid. Helllpppp! -Douglas, the Coyote From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 21 12:17:31 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id MAA24485; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 12:17:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 12:17:31 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <00fe01be8c0d$0fcfe960$5e2310ac@Douglas> From: "K. Douglas Baldwin" To: , Subject: Re: Akai Headrush Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 11:27:01 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 Content-Type: text/plain; boundary="----------------------------"; charset="iso-8859-1" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"Y9xL_3.0.Zu3.X1V7t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5335 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com To All Loopers- If you have any info worth sharing about the Akai Headrush that will NOT be posted, please send it to me, as I will be reviewing it (probably) for Guitar or Guitar World Magazines soon. Also, more info helps me pitch the story to the editors better. Thanx -Douglas P.S. A special shout out to Miguel Barella! I was so glad to see you participating in this group. I will try to email you soon. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 21 13:17:44 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id NAA03130; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 13:17:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 13:17:44 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199904211637.LAA17179@mail.netdirect.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 11:37:07 -0500 Subject: Re: Akai Headrush From: "mister gone" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"BMbRI.0.uy6.3yV7t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5337 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com no, don't do that - please post it *all* here! ______________________________ ___________________________ - j . e r i c s h a l l o p "deep in my heart, i have a eshallop@netdirect.net great hate for music." (saddest new kid on the block) - blixa bargeld ---------- >From: "K. Douglas Baldwin" >To: , >Subject: Re: Akai Headrush >Date: Wed, Apr 21, 1999, 10.27am > > > To All Loopers- If you have any info worth sharing about the Akai Headrush > that will NOT be posted, please send it to me, as I will be reviewing it > (probably) for Guitar or Guitar World Magazines soon. Also, more info helps > me pitch the story to the editors better. Thanx -Douglas > P.S. A special shout out to Miguel Barella! I was so glad to see you > participating in this group. I will try to email you soon. > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 21 14:20:17 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id OAA15288; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 14:20:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 14:20:17 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <19990409022102.9606.rocketmail@send205.yahoomail.com> References: <19990409022102.9606.rocketmail@send205.yahoomail.com> Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 02:48:00 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Edwin Hurwitz Subject: Re: things that we loop Resent-Message-ID: <"Q7uST3.0.tH2.m0X7t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5339 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I frequently loop a Skil twist elextric screwdriver through a whammy pedal, distortion and an LXP 5. Edwin >Matthias, >Somehow no one mentioned motors, and vibrators. Must >have been too obvious. >bret > >--- Matthias Grob wrote: > > I liked this thread. I gathered what came up. Would > > someone care to put > > this funny list onto the site? > > Or should we turn it into a list of descriptions of > > experiences where > > anyone can contribute his fun story? > > > > guitars > > keyboards > > basses > > strings > > didgeridoos > > vocals > > laughter > > animal noises > > samples > > some > > everykind of percussion imaginable > > wind instruments > > turntables > > broadcast sounds from radio and TV > > film dialog > > found sounds > > stick > > washing machine hose bullroarers > > Toddlers and their toys > > fart and burp > > human boddy > > looping devices themselves > > window fan > > reverb coils > > guitar and bass guitar > > gutted piano > > toy flutes > > window fan > > "Mega Mouth Warp'r" > > "The Grossinator" > > answering machine tapes > > drum machine...analog & digital > > kitchenware > > metal cabinets > > those whistles that go "fweeeeee!!!!" > > water jug > > water pipes under my house > > video games > > radio shack laser beam toy > > squeaky violin > > garage door > > record skips > > rake > > styrofoam > > analog echo pedal feedback > > college students in hallways > > garage bands > > buncha toys > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com Edwin Hurwitz Boulder CO http://www.indra.com/~edwin From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 21 14:13:17 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id OAA13909; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 14:13:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 14:13:17 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <000001be8c15$81cf4940$dc0db2d1@ibien> From: "Clifford Novey" To: Subject: EDP and MIDI Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 09:38:58 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0004_01BE8BDA.C7EA3920" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"EhKWZ.0.-01.edW7t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5338 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BE8BDA.C7EA3920 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all- I finally have my EDP!!!!! Now I have and EDP and a JamMan- I = have to say I think I will be keeping both for awhile- the Jam Man is = easy to use and there is so much to learn about the EDP- I am sorry if the following question is answered on the site somewhere = but I am at work and do not have the time to search for it- i do have my = manual but found no answer there either-=20 when syncing my DR-5 drum mach to the EDP I get piano sounds any time = any function of the EDP is accessed- I have all tracks muted in my DR-5 = except for the drum track- but when I start a loop there is a piano note = recorded at the time I push record-=20 Also, the notes vary according to which function you access- for = example- when you hit record, you get a D (I think) and then Overdub D#, = Multiply E, and so on-=20 Anyone run into this before? Well, i really hope to grow in my songwriting using the EDP - like = standard verse,c,v, bridge etc- but listening to the #2 looper's cd and = seeing how much you can do with the EDP I am sure I will be doing some = serious experimenting in the future- I will post some snippets of my = musings on my website asap- what is the best way to do this? I have a = cable modem so for me i could just have a .wav file there but that could = be slow for most- how about zipped files? Any suggestions would be = appreciated-=20 Thanks all-=20 clifford ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BE8BDA.C7EA3920 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi all- I finally have my = EDP!!!!! =20 Now I have and EDP and a JamMan- I have to say I think I will be keeping = both=20 for awhile- the Jam Man is easy to use and there is so much to learn = about the=20 EDP-
I am sorry if the following question = is answered=20 on the site somewhere but I am at work and do not have the time to = search for=20 it- i do have my manual but found no answer there either-
 
when syncing my DR-5 drum mach to = the EDP I get=20 piano sounds any time any function of the EDP is accessed- I have all = tracks=20 muted in my DR-5 except for the drum track- but when I start a loop = there is a=20 piano note recorded at the time I push record-
Also, the = notes vary=20 according to which function you access- for example- when you hit = record, you=20 get a D (I think) and then Overdub D#, Multiply E, and so on- =
Anyone run into this before?
 
Well, i really hope to grow in my = songwriting=20 using the EDP - like standard verse,c,v, bridge etc- but listening to = the #2=20 looper's cd and seeing how much you can do with the EDP I am sure I will = be=20 doing some serious experimenting in the future- I will post some = snippets of my=20 musings on my website asap- what is the best way to do this? I have a = cable=20 modem so for me i could just have a .wav file there but that could be = slow for=20 most- how about zipped files? Any suggestions would be appreciated-=20
 
Thanks all-
 
clifford
------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BE8BDA.C7EA3920-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 21 14:48:28 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id OAA21350; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 14:48:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 14:48:28 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <010001be8c0d$12dba2c0$5e2310ac@Douglas> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 10:50:56 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, From: Kim Flint Subject: Re:Where is Bob Sellon? Resent-Message-ID: <"p3sA_.0.TL2.Z1X7t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5340 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 8:38 AM -0700 4/21/99, K. Douglas Baldwin wrote: >Anybody know the whereabouts of Bob Sellon? I have a Lexicon PCM42 which he >modified for me back in the mid-80's. It has some qurks in need of repair, I >am itching to play in public again, and I need his help (or the help of >someone who knows his work w/ PCM42. The email address and his personal Web >site via the Looper's Delight site are invalid. Helllpppp! -Douglas, the >Coyote his website works fine for me: http://people.ne.mediaone.net/sellon/bob.htm kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 21 14:56:18 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id OAA22792; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 14:56:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 14:56:18 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <371E14DE.78B0@ix.netcom.com> Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 14:11:42 -0400 From: Dick Michaels Organization: Rogue Music X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0C-NC320 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: Jamman on Auctionsoup Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"xScDS.0.xR3.mLX7t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5341 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Taking bids on a Jamman at http://www.auctionsoup.com until 4/23 at 3:23 PM EST Please visit the site Dick Michaels Rogue Music NYC http://www.roguemusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 21 16:39:44 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id QAA11354; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 16:39:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 16:39:44 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990421200517.72247.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [212.40.5.72] From: "Philipp Zuercher" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Echoplex Footpedal Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 13:05:17 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"vmV3J.0.-41.o_Y7t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5342 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hullo all of you out there Does anybody know where I can get one of these nice but obviously shitty Echoplex Footpedal interruptors, the plastic ones with the nice red button made in Japan My UNDO doesn't work anymore and it must be the interruptor so one of you Oberheim guys definitely owe me an explanation if I can find them in Switzerland or send me at least one of them to replace By the way, if anyone knows of a better button - old fashioned metal that won't let me down after another three month - that fits the holes, please let me know and I will pray for you to go to Looper's Heaven when you will pass away Grazie and Amen Philipp ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 21 19:39:03 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id TAA10932; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 19:39:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 19:39:03 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990421190635.007a7e40@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 19:06:35 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: things that we loop In-Reply-To: References: <19990409022102.9606.rocketmail@send205.yahoomail.com> <19990409022102.9606.rocketmail@send205.yahoomail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"Td-1g1.0.qG1._Zb7t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5344 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Another one for the "things we loop" list; last night I looped a chimney brush. Psycho kalimba... When I slowed it down it sounded like a bunch of damned souls dragging chains through Hell's vestibule. I think Hanson did this first on their Christmas album... Tim At 02:48 AM 4/21/99 -0600, you wrote: >I frequently loop a Skil twist elextric screwdriver through a whammy >pedal, distortion and an LXP 5. > > > > >Edwin From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 21 19:39:00 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id TAA10919; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 19:39:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 19:39:00 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199904212257.SAA55588@pilot016.cl.msu.edu> Subject: Oberheim Echoplex Digital Pro To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 18:57:13 -0400 (EDT) From: "Michael Scott Stork" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"HdntY3.0.y91.UWb7t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5343 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com What's up Loopzillas- How can I get on a list for a reasonabley priced Oberheim EDP? Can you order from Gibson direct? Who knows a good company that will carry them? I was going to buy a boomerang but thought the EDP would be better because of it's MIDI capabilities and other Echoplex sounds. Anyone have any opinions that might help me out? thanks, Stork-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 21 19:46:39 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id TAA12338; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 19:46:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 19:46:39 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <000054F8.C22133@poyry.com.br> Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 19:14:16 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Patrick Smith Subject: Emergent Music Forum Resent-Message-ID: <"vwZID2.0.gk1.Zmb7t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5345 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Once again we'll be taking our show on the road. Join us if you can. patrick +_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_ +_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_ ____________ ___________ ________________+_+_+_+_+_++_+_+_ E M E R G E N T M U S I C F O R U M series 2 +_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_++_ +_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_ +_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+ +_+_+_+_+_+ _+_+_+_+_+_+ at the Velvet Lounge 915 U Street NW Wash. WDC All shows $3 and 21+ unless specified. 9pm. A p r i l 2 8 t h -------------------- FINGERPAINT guitar-driven illbient LA REPRODUCTION INTERDITE engaging musique concrete, lo-fi ambience & songcraft LACONIC CHAMBER warm strategic arrangement of sound Shows schedule for May include: -------------------------------- Eric Leonardson-Springboard and electronics Charles Cohen and Elliot Levin KK Null and Damian Catera B O O K I N G I N F O R M A T I O N ==================================== cONTAct: Derek Morton PO Box 149 Arlington VA 22210 --------------- - -__ -__ - - -____ derek@intr.net --___-- FingerPaint Primary Colors: BLUE "can be edgy and intense as well as relaxing...." FAQT "fascinating aural images...luminous portraits of sound & vision..." Outburn 8 From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 21 20:03:32 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id UAA15184; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 20:03:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 20:03:32 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Server-Uuid: 638eccb6-fc93-11d1-bbdd-00805f9f3fd5 Message-ID: <371E6029.2ED9E603@Nike.com> Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 16:32:57 -0700 From: "Dave Schroeder" Organization: Nike, Inc. X-Sender: "Dave Schroeder" (Unverified) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en]C-GIT1.2 (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Subject: Looping Devices X-WSS-ID: 1B00802D863469-01-01 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"wLxVw3.0.PO2.Z0c7t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5346 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com What do you think of the AKAI E1 HEADRUSH ? I'm looking for a good looping device I can use with my Taylor 815ce. I'm a big Phil Keggy fan. I'd love any advice or feedback on current equipment of this type. Please cc my home address also. Dave_Schroeder@IntegrityOnline.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 21 20:42:57 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id UAA22059; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 20:42:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 20:42:57 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <371E68B4.6581F2AA@bellsouth.net> Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 20:09:24 -0400 From: Jeff Duke X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Emergent Music Forum References: <000054F8.C22133@poyry.com.br> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"X4uAo.0.Z34.hbc7t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5347 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com When you coming to Atlanta? jd http://members.xoom.com/echo17/tbl.html Patrick Smith wrote: > Once again we'll be taking our show on the road. Join us if you can. > > patrick > +_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_ > +_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_ > ____________ ___________ ________________+_+_+_+_+_++_+_+_ > E M E R G E N T M U S I C F O R U M > series 2 +_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_++_ > +_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_ +_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+ > +_+_+_+_+_+ > _+_+_+_+_+_+ > at the Velvet Lounge > 915 U Street NW Wash. WDC > All shows $3 and 21+ unless specified. > 9pm. > > A p r i l 2 8 t h > -------------------- > FINGERPAINT > guitar-driven illbient > LA REPRODUCTION INTERDITE > engaging musique concrete, lo-fi ambience & songcraft > LACONIC CHAMBER > warm strategic arrangement of sound > > Shows schedule for May include: > -------------------------------- > Eric Leonardson-Springboard and electronics > Charles Cohen and Elliot Levin > KK Null and Damian Catera > > B O O K I N G I N F O R M A T I O N > ==================================== > cONTAct: > Derek Morton > PO Box 149 > Arlington VA 22210 > --------------- > > - -__ -__ - - -____ > derek@intr.net --___-- > > FingerPaint Primary Colors: BLUE > > "can be edgy and intense as well as relaxing...." FAQT > > "fascinating aural images...luminous portraits of sound & vision..." Outburn 8 > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 22 03:12:22 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id DAA08266; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 03:12:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 03:12:22 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <007001be8c8a$a9945a40$1d27c0d8@default> From: "Alan Imberg" To: "Loopers" Subject: Notes on my Akai Headrush Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 23:37:48 -0700 Organization: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_006D_01BE8C4F.F7305F00" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Resent-Message-ID: <"t3tkw2.0.RY.0Hi7t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5348 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_006D_01BE8C4F.F7305F00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Greetings: After playing with my new Headrush pedal for a couple of days, I can say = with confidence that it was worth the investment of $207 (including tax = and shipping). As I stated earlier, it is a better looping tool than my = DOD Dimension 12, which was $40 more (the shortcomings of the D-12 are = well documented on the Loopers Delight web site). Akai seems to be = marketing the Headrush accurately. Its a powerful stomp box, nothing = more and nothing less. The Headrush has 3 modes: Tape Echo, Normal Echo, = and Loop Recording. I'll comment on each mode individually. Loop Recording: a.. The Headrush can record a single loop up to 23.8 seconds long or = an overdubbed loop up to 11.9 seconds. The interface is nice and simple = for creating the length of the loop on the fly. There are two foot = switches. The left switch activates the function and the right switch is = used to determine the length of the loop. If you want to overdub a loop, = click the left switch to activate the looping function and start = playing. Then click the right button once to start recording. Clicking = the right button a second time will close the loop. Click the right = button a third time will allow you to record infinite layers on the = original loop. To erase overdub loops, click the right button again to = erase all but the original loop. If the original loop goes over 11.9 = seconds, then you are committed to only one loop; you will not be able = to overdub. An LED light above the right pedal will begin to flash a few = seconds before you reach 11.9 seconds, notifying you to either close the = loop or live with the consequences. The LED light will flash again a few = seconds before reaching 23.8 seconds, letting you know that the loop = will automatically repeat. One drawback is that you can't tell the exact = length of the loop. I find it helpful to know exact lengths for syncing = drum tracks and such. However, unlike my D-12, I can determine with ease = the length of a loop by feel which is cool. I don't have a foot pedal = for the D-12 so I have to be quick with the hands. The Headrush is built = like a good ol' stomp box. Normal Echo: a.. The maximum tap tempo delay time is 23.8. Again, the left switch = activates the function and the right switch is used to determine delay = time. Click once then click a second time. The time between clicks is = your delay time. There are course and fine Time dials to manually = manipulate delay time. The sound quality is pretty good. The sampling = rate and resolution are the same for all three functions: sampling rate = =3D 44.1 kHZ; resolution =3D 16 bit. Tape Echo: a.. This is the coolest function of the three. The Tape Echo function = is designed to simulate a 4 head analog tape delay. Each head has its = own output so that you can send multiple signals from the Headrush to = multiple amps or mixer channels. I plugged all 4 into my 8 track = recorder and was impressed. There is a Head-Gap dial where you can sync = up the delay times of the heads or stagger them. When they are staggered = and you use the individual head outputs, you get some cool quadraphonic = echo. Maximum delay time in the Tape Echo mode is only 5.9 seconds which = kind of sucks but I'm not complaining. There is a HF Damp function where = you can dampen the frequency of the delay feedback. This is supposedly = designed to replicate the lo-fi qualities of the old analog tape delays. = It may be a useful tool but the sound quality is too good to be mistaken = for old tape heads.=20 There is a three stage switch to change the modes. The pedal was quiet = enough for me to run direct to my 8 track recorder. All in all, a cool = tool. I know I'm forgetting something but this e-mail is getting lengthy. I'll = be happy to answer any questions and provide further updates as I get = more familiar with my new toy. Best Regards, Alan Imberg ------=_NextPart_000_006D_01BE8C4F.F7305F00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Greetings:
After playing with my new Headrush pedal for a = couple of days,=20 I can say with confidence that it was worth the investment of $207 = (including=20 tax and shipping). As I stated earlier, it is a better looping tool than = my DOD=20 Dimension 12, which was $40 more (the shortcomings of the D-12 are = well=20 documented on the Loopers Delight web site). Akai seems to be marketing = the=20 Headrush accurately. Its a powerful stomp box, nothing more and nothing = less.=20 The Headrush has 3 modes: Tape Echo, Normal Echo, and Loop Recording. = I'll=20 comment on each mode individually.
 
Loop Recording:
  • The Headrush can record a single loop up to 23.8 = seconds long=20 or an overdubbed loop up to 11.9 seconds. The interface is nice and = simple for=20 creating the length of the loop on the fly. There are two foot = switches. The=20 left switch activates the function and the right switch is used to = determine=20 the length of the loop. If you want to overdub a loop, click the left = switch=20 to activate the looping function and start playing. Then click the = right=20 button once to start recording. Clicking the right button a second = time will=20 close the loop. Click the right button a third time will allow you to = record=20 infinite layers on the original loop. To erase overdub loops, click = the right=20 button again to erase all but the original loop. If the original loop = goes=20 over 11.9 seconds, then you are committed to only one loop; you will = not be=20 able to overdub. An LED light above the right pedal will begin to = flash a few=20 seconds before you reach 11.9 seconds, notifying you to either close = the loop=20 or live with the consequences. The LED light will flash again a few = seconds=20 before reaching 23.8 seconds, letting you know that the loop will=20 automatically repeat. One drawback is that you can't tell the exact = length of=20 the loop. I find it helpful to know exact lengths for syncing drum = tracks and=20 such. However, unlike my D-12, I can determine with ease the length of = a loop=20 by feel which is cool. I don't have a foot pedal for the D-12 so I = have to be=20 quick with the hands. The Headrush is built like a good ol' stomp=20 box.
Normal Echo:
  • The maximum tap tempo delay time is 23.8. Again, = the left=20 switch activates the function and the right switch is used to = determine delay=20 time. Click once then click a second time. The time between clicks is = your=20 delay time. There are course and fine Time dials to manually = manipulate delay=20 time. The sound quality is pretty good. The sampling rate and = resolution are=20 the same for all three functions: sampling rate =3D 44.1 kHZ; = resolution =3D 16=20 bit.
Tape Echo:
  • This is the coolest function of the three. The Tape = Echo=20 function is designed to simulate a 4 head analog tape delay. Each head = has its=20 own output so that you can send multiple signals from the Headrush to = multiple=20 amps or mixer channels. I plugged all 4 into my 8 track recorder and = was=20 impressed. There is a Head-Gap dial where you can sync up the delay = times of=20 the heads or stagger them. When they are staggered and you use the = individual=20 head outputs, you get some cool quadraphonic echo. Maximum delay time = in the=20 Tape Echo mode is only 5.9 seconds which kind of sucks but I'm not=20 complaining. There is a HF Damp function where you can dampen the = frequency of=20 the delay feedback. This is supposedly designed to replicate the lo-fi = qualities of the old analog tape delays. It may be a useful tool but = the sound=20 quality is too good to be mistaken for old tape heads. =
There is a three stage switch to change the modes. = The pedal=20 was quiet enough for me to run direct to my 8 track recorder. All in = all, a cool=20 tool.
 
I know I'm forgetting something but this e-mail is = getting=20 lengthy. I'll be happy to answer any questions and provide further = updates as I=20 get more familiar with my new toy.
Best Regards,
Alan = Imberg
------=_NextPart_000_006D_01BE8C4F.F7305F00-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 22 05:49:48 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id FAA26992; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 05:49:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 05:49:48 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <19990421200517.72247.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 02:07:30 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Echoplex Footpedal Resent-Message-ID: <"BQ1UL.0.4k5.Xbk7t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5349 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 1:05 PM -0700 4/21/99, Philipp Zuercher wrote: >Hullo all of you out there > >Does anybody know where I can get one of these nice but obviously >shitty Echoplex Footpedal interruptors, the plastic ones with the nice >red button made in Japan those ones you can buy from Mouser, http://www.mouser.com. They are cheap, so you can buy a whole bag of them. :-) >My UNDO doesn't work anymore and it must be the interruptor so one "Interruptor" - I like that. ;-) > of >you Oberheim guys definitely owe me an explanation if I can find them >in Switzerland or send me at least one of them to replace > >By the way, if anyone knows of a better button - old fashioned metal >that won't let me down after another three month - that fits the >holes, please let me know All it needs is a momentary switch, there are lots to choose from. You should be able to find lots of switch companies on yahoo or wherever that sell industrial switches. They all have different feels under your feet, so you will probably try a few before you find one you like. Installing it in the pedal is easy. (Despite the "cheapness" of the ones used in production in that pedal, I always liked the feel of them. I find it pretty easy to tap accurately. A lot of those sturdy, metal switches tend to be much stiffer and harder to press, so it isn't so easy to tap the loops accurately.) > and I will pray for you to go to Looper's >Heaven when you will pass away ah well, I wasn't really expecting to end up there anyway.... kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 22 05:50:59 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id FAA27118; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 05:50:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 05:50:59 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <000001be8c15$81cf4940$dc0db2d1@ibien> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 02:15:25 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: EDP and MIDI Resent-Message-ID: <"ffEIg2.0.Sk5.Zbk7t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5350 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > when syncing my DR-5 drum mach to the EDP I get piano sounds any time >any function of the >EDP is accessed- You mean you don't want that? ;-) put them on different midi channels, or set the echoplex's midi control source parameter to Ctr (for controller). Or set it to off if you are not using midi control on the echoplex. It will still send (or receive) midi clock as long as sync parameter is set to out (or in). kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 22 10:11:22 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id KAA30339; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 10:11:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 10:11:22 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: andre@monmouth.com Message-Id: <199904221309.JAA01999@shell.monmouth.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 09:06:57 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Event, NYC: Jfk's Lsd Ufo LIVE,much Looping! Priority: normal In-reply-to: <199904212257.SAA55588@pilot016.cl.msu.edu> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01d) Resent-Message-ID: <"AiN5W3.0.Jw4.v_n7t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5351 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com hey all quick self-promo moment> Jfk's Lsd Ufo Tues Apr 27 11pm Alterknit Theatre - The Knitting Factory 74 Leonard St NYC, NY 212-219-3006 we are a very loop based duo - guitar/synth, percussion, triggered synths and samples, vocals. Lotsa crazy rhythms and jagged guitars, and sometimes blissful interludes..... info/soundbytes: http://www.monmouth.com/~andre/jfk.htm club site http://www.knittingfactory.com hope to see some NY area loopers!! peace! andre' From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 22 12:25:11 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id MAA23156; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 12:25:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 12:25:11 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <371F3E1F.BB0A0977@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 08:19:59 -0700 From: Clifford Novey X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: EDP and MIDI References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"DC_Gv2.0.Kb2.5vp7t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5352 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thanks Kim, much appreciated! Cliff Kim Flint wrote: > > when syncing my DR-5 drum mach to the EDP I get piano sounds any time > >any function of the >EDP is accessed- > > You mean you don't want that? ;-) > > put them on different midi channels, or set the echoplex's midi control > source parameter to Ctr (for controller). Or set it to off if you are not > using midi control on the echoplex. It will still send (or receive) midi > clock as long as sync parameter is set to out (or in). > > kim > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html > http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 22 12:36:34 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id MAA25804; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 12:36:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 12:36:34 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Posted-Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 10:35:59 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990422100742.00851e80@POP.VISI.com> X-Sender: zwicky@POP.VISI.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 10:07:42 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Chuck Zwicky Subject: Re: Echoplex Footpedal In-Reply-To: References: <19990421200517.72247.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"CQpe13.0.1R3.m8q7t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5353 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I recently saw a photo of somebody's EDP in a magazine (was it David Torn?) and they had replaced all of their switches with metal ones. At 02:07 AM 4/22/99 -0700, you wrote: >At 1:05 PM -0700 4/21/99, Philipp Zuercher wrote: >>Hullo all of you out there >> >>Does anybody know where I can get one of these nice but obviously >>shitty Echoplex Footpedal interruptors, the plastic ones with the nice >>red button made in Japan ........................................................................... The moment of victory is much too short to live for that and nothing else. -Martina Navrtilova From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 22 13:58:44 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id NAA09234; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 13:58:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 13:58:44 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990422165618.77129.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [204.74.108.76] From: "Joseph Buck" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Notes on my Akai Headrush Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 09:56:15 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"VyA_r1.0.JU7.zLr7t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5354 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Cleaning the drool off of the keyboard.... Must....get....Headrush....... >Greetings: >After playing with my new Headrush pedal for a couple of days, I can say with confidence that it was worth the investment of $207 (including tax and shipping). As I stated earlier, it is a better looping tool than my DOD Dimension 12, which was $40 more (the shortcomings of the D-12 are well documented on the Loopers Delight web site). Akai seems to be marketing the Headrush accurately. Its a powerful stomp box, nothing more and nothing less. The Headrush has 3 modes: Tape Echo, Normal Echo, and Loop Recording. I'll comment on each mode individually. > >Loop Recording: > a.. The Headrush can record a single loop up to 23.8 seconds long or an overdubbed loop up to 11.9 seconds. The interface is nice and simple for creating the length of the loop on the fly. There are two foot switches. The left switch activates the function and the right switch is used to determine the length of the loop. If you want to overdub a loop, click the left switch to activate the looping function and start playing. Then click the right button once to start recording. Clicking the right button a second time will close the loop. Click the right button a third time will allow you to record infinite layers on the original loop. To erase overdub loops, click the right button again to erase all but the original loop. If the original loop goes over 11.9 seconds, then you are committed to only one loop; you will not be able to overdub. An LED light above the right pedal will begin to flash a few seconds before you reach 11.9 seconds, notifying you to either close the loop or live with the consequences. The LED light will flash again a few seconds before reaching 23.8 seconds, letting you know that the loop will automatically repeat. One drawback is that you can't tell the exact length of the loop. I find it helpful to know exact lengths for syncing drum tracks and such. However, unlike my D-12, I can determine with ease the length of a loop by feel which is cool. I don't have a foot pedal for the D-12 so I have to be quick with the hands. The Headrush is built like a good ol' stomp box. >Normal Echo: > a.. The maximum tap tempo delay time is 23.8. Again, the left switch activates the function and the right switch is used to determine delay time. Click once then click a second time. The time between clicks is your delay time. There are course and fine Time dials to manually manipulate delay time. The sound quality is pretty good. The sampling rate and resolution are the same for all three functions: sampling rate = 44.1 kHZ; resolution = 16 bit. >Tape Echo: > a.. This is the coolest function of the three. The Tape Echo function is designed to simulate a 4 head analog tape delay. Each head has its own output so that you can send multiple signals from the Headrush to multiple amps or mixer channels. I plugged all 4 into my 8 track recorder and was impressed. There is a Head-Gap dial where you can sync up the delay times of the heads or stagger them. When they are staggered and you use the individual head outputs, you get some cool quadraphonic echo. Maximum delay time in the Tape Echo mode is only 5.9 seconds which kind of sucks but I'm not complaining. There is a HF Damp function where you can dampen the frequency of the delay feedback. This is supposedly designed to replicate the lo-fi qualities of the old analog tape delays. It may be a useful tool but the sound quality is too good to be mistaken for old tape heads. >There is a three stage switch to change the modes. The pedal was quiet enough for me to run direct to my 8 track recorder. All in all, a cool tool. > >I know I'm forgetting something but this e-mail is getting lengthy. I'll be happy to answer any questions and provide further updates as I get more familiar with my new toy. >Best Regards, >Alan Imberg _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 22 16:01:38 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id QAA00745; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 16:01:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 16:01:38 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199904221912.OAA18095@mail.netdirect.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 13:46:06 -0500 Subject: Re: Notes on my Akai Headrush From: "mister gone" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"VRfQF.0.gm5.3Kt7t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5355 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > Loop Recording: > The Headrush can record a single loop up to 23.8 seconds long or an > overdubbed loop up to 11.9 seconds. pardon my ignorance, but what exactly is "overdubbed looping"? is it what it sounds like? layering more than one loop on top of each other? and, if so, how many will it do at once? > Normal Echo: > The maximum tap tempo delay time is 23.8. Again, the left switch activates > the function and the right switch is used to determine delay time. Click > once then click a second time. The time between clicks is your delay time. > There are course and fine Time dials to manually manipulate delay time. The > sound quality is pretty good. The sampling rate and resolution are the same > for all three functions: sampling rate = 44.1 kHZ; resolution = 16 bit. two questions: how well does the tempo tap react? i had a boss DD-5, and it's tempo input was squirrly at *best* and can you rate the akai's sound quality compared to, say, a boss DD-3 or -5? or a quadraverb's delay? back when i *didn't* have 2 analog delays, i went looking for a tape echo simulator, and one of the ones i tried was this little korg box. at first, it looked great, but when i actually *listened* to it, i was horrified. same with the zoom 508 - can you say "lo-fi"? (and *not* in the good, flying saucer attack / pavement / guided by voices way...) > Tape Echo: > Maximum delay time in the Tape Echo mode is only 5.9 seconds which kind of > sucks but I'm not complaining. yes you are, you just did! :) remember, the longest tape echo unit only hit 400ms or so... maybe there was an uber-echoplex that hit 500ms, but the most common one (the roland space echo - ah, the holy grail!) never hit 400ms, so 5.9sec. seems overkill to me... besides, most people never need more than 1.5sec. of delay until you start looping... shit, i don't need more than 300ms myself! i wonder if you can add more memory or replace the stock memory with a bigger chip... just curious... ;) ______________________________ ___________________________ - j . e r i c s h a l l o p "deep in my heart, i have a eshallop@netdirect.net great hate for music." (saddest new kid on the block) - blixa bargeld From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 22 16:21:10 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id QAA04467; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 16:21:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 16:21:10 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 12:30:54 -0700 From: "Esteban Delgado" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Cc: X-Sent-Mail: on Reply-To: X-Expiredinmiddle: true X-Mailer: MailCity Service Subject: Re: New JD CD X-Sender-Ip: 209.212.192.49 Organization: QUALCOMM Eudora Web-Mail (http://www.eudoramail.com:80) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"VSYWw1.0.Yh6.hbt7t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5356 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi Jon, I am a programmer at WFHB, the community radio station in Bloomington, Indiana (and also a guitarist, Berklee '77). We are consistently ranked as the best station in Bloomington, the home of Indiana University. I invite you to visit our website and listen in on Real Audio (see info below). On my show I have featured a number of Alchemy releases including your own "Silent Extinction", Robby Aceto's "Code" and Gary Willis' "Bent" as well as his previous release, the title of which escapes me right now. I have had to purchase all the aforementioned CD's, as we don't get much from Alchemy (although we did receive a copy of "Code"). I'm hoping I can persuade you to send a copy of your new release to me, c/o the station. I will then write a short review (I promise to make it favorable!) and submit it to the station. While every show on WFHB reflects the musical taste of that show's host, I can think of a few other programmers who will almost surely give you airplay. If you are interested, please send your CD to: Steve Delgado, c/o WFHB P.O. Box 1973 Bloomington, IN 47402 In addition, it would be great if we could regularly receive new releases from Alchemy. Again, I invite you to give me a listen sometime; I think you'll like the show. Thanks very much, Steve Delgado (a.k.a. "Chino", host of the Tuesday Afternoon Mix, WFHB). --- For the very best in cutting-edge music tune in to The Tuesday Afternoon Mix every Tuesday afternoon from 3 to 5:30p.m. EST (NOT DST) on WFHB, community radio for Bloomington, Indiana. Now broadcasting to the world at www.wfhb.net, or visit our website at www.wfhb.org and follow the links. On Wed, 21 Apr 99 07:34:41 - jdurant wrote: >Hi All- > >Just a quick shameless plug for my new CD, Anatomy of a Wish. This CD is >the logical follow-up to Silent Extinction, only (IMO) better. (I know, >of course you think it's better...) > >Anatomy of a Wish features JD on guitar and cloud guitars (loopage), >Vinny Sabatino (of Boston's Night Shift and Universal Language) on >Percussion and Drums; Tony Levin (Peter Gabriel/King Crimson/Etc.) on >Electric Upright Bass, Stick, and Electric Bass; and Michael Manring on >Fretless Bass on one track. The CD was mastered by the master hisself, >David Torn. > >You can check it out at www.alchemyrecords.com or call at 1-800-292-6932. >(Audio smaples *should* be up later today...) > >It will be in stores mid-may, but it's available direct now. > >There. Shameless plug over now. > >Later, >Jon Durant > > Join 18 million Eudora users by signing up for a free Eudora Web-Mail account at http://www.eudoramail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 22 17:11:32 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id RAA14793; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 17:11:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 17:11:32 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <000e01be8cfd$d14b4c60$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: Subject: Re: Notes on my Akai Headrush Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 15:22:17 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"kL8jK.0.vT1.zQu7t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5357 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thanks for the info! Very interesting! I can't tell from the picture on the Akai site what inputs/outputs the Headrush has. It appears to have 6 jacks in the pix. Can you describe the ins and outs? Dennis Leas ----------------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 22 18:00:48 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id SAA25286; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 18:00:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 18:00:48 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: matthias@pop3.bahianet.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <19990421200517.72247.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 18:25:02 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Echoplex Footpedal Resent-Message-ID: <"Sirob.0.J74.lAv7t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5358 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >Hullo all of you out there > >Does anybody know where I can get one of these nice but obviously >shitty Echoplex Footpedal interruptors, the plastic ones with the nice >red button made in Japan > >My UNDO doesn't work anymore and it must be the interruptor so one of >you Oberheim guys definitely owe me an explanation if I can find them >in Switzerland or send me at least one of them to replace You overdid the undoing! For musicians that play wrong a lot, we recommend the military type of switch... ;-) Nikkai makes such a kind and its importer used to be Invertag, Zollikerberg. If not any more, Rolf might help you. Although Paradis is not in the business any more, he might have some left. Try Rolf Spuler . Machsguet! From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 22 18:07:04 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id SAA26709; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 18:07:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 18:07:04 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <2148EC143F29D1118BE000805FC13CD092D5E2@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Notes on my Akai Headrush Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 16:26:28 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Resent-Message-ID: <"PBn-x3.0.QR4.XHv7t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5359 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com hey, hey. looking at the one i just got in the ups shipment. from left to right outputs are: mix (or dry when used in conjunction with effect from what i can tell), head 1 (effect), head 2, head 3, head 4, input. mix and dry are for normal delay (and, i assume, loop function). heads 1-4 are for "tape echo." i'm going to try and get some time with it this evening. may try to post other observations later. stig > -----Original Message----- > From: Dennis W. Leas [SMTP:dennis@mdbs.com] > Sent: Thursday, April 22, 1999 13:22 > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Subject: Re: Notes on my Akai Headrush > > Thanks for the info! Very interesting! > > I can't tell from the picture on the Akai site what inputs/outputs the > Headrush has. It appears to have 6 jacks in the pix. Can you describe > the > ins and outs? > > Dennis Leas > ----------------------------- > dennis@mdbs.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 22 19:44:14 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id TAA13007; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 19:44:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 19:44:14 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 18:57:11 -0400 (EDT) From: Unit Circle Media To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Notes on my Akai Headrush In-Reply-To: <000e01be8cfd$d14b4c60$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"XM5WA1.0.m41.Zcw7t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5360 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com A question about the overdubs? Can you tell how they are doing this? Are they just halving the existing loop and the new input? When you put it into overdub mode, does it continuosly overdub or can you turn it on and off? thanks for the review! Kevin Kevin Goldsmith kevin@unitcircle.com Unit Circle Media http://www.unitcircle.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 22 19:49:30 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id TAA14134; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 19:49:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 19:49:30 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 16:12:08 -0700 From: "Esteban Delgado" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Cc: X-Sent-Mail: off Reply-To: X-Mailer: MailCity Service Subject: Re: New JD CD X-Sender-Ip: 209.212.192.49 Organization: QUALCOMM Eudora Web-Mail (http://www.eudoramail.com:80) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"oUNHv1.0.gp1.0rw7t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5362 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Well, that was dumb; my apologies to all. Obviously, I meant to reply just to Mr. Durant. Oh well, if anybody else has some music they would like to send me, please do (I'd appreciate it if you would email me first, just to let me know). Thanks, Steve Delgado On Thu, 22 Apr 1999 12:30:54 Esteban Delgado wrote: >Hi Jon, >I am a programmer at WFHB, the community radio station in Bloomington, Indiana (and also a guitarist, Berklee '77). We are consistently ranked as the best station in Bloomington, the home of Indiana University. I invite you to visit our website and listen in on Real Audio (see info below). > >On my show I have featured a number of Alchemy releases including your own "Silent Extinction", Robby Aceto's "Code" and Gary Willis' "Bent" as well as his previous release, the title of which escapes me right now. I have had to purchase all the aforementioned CD's, as we don't get much from Alchemy (although we did receive a copy of "Code"). > >I'm hoping I can persuade you to send a copy of your new release to me, c/o the station. I will then write a short review (I promise to make it favorable!) and submit it to the station. While every show on WFHB reflects the musical taste of that show's host, I can think of a few other programmers who will almost surely give you airplay. > >If you are interested, please send your CD to: > >Steve Delgado, c/o WFHB >P.O. Box 1973 >Bloomington, IN 47402 > >In addition, it would be great if we could regularly receive new releases from Alchemy. > >Again, I invite you to give me a listen sometime; I think you'll like the show. Thanks very much, > >Steve Delgado >(a.k.a. "Chino", host of the Tuesday Afternoon Mix, WFHB). >--- >For the very best in cutting-edge music tune in to The Tuesday >Afternoon Mix every Tuesday afternoon from 3 to 5:30p.m. EST (NOT DST) >on WFHB, community radio for Bloomington, Indiana. >Now broadcasting to the world at www.wfhb.net, or visit our >website at www.wfhb.org and follow the links. > > > >On Wed, 21 Apr 99 07:34:41 - jdurant wrote: >>Hi All- >> >>Just a quick shameless plug for my new CD, Anatomy of a Wish. This CD is >>the logical follow-up to Silent Extinction, only (IMO) better. (I know, >>of course you think it's better...) >> >>Anatomy of a Wish features JD on guitar and cloud guitars (loopage), >>Vinny Sabatino (of Boston's Night Shift and Universal Language) on >>Percussion and Drums; Tony Levin (Peter Gabriel/King Crimson/Etc.) on >>Electric Upright Bass, Stick, and Electric Bass; and Michael Manring on >>Fretless Bass on one track. The CD was mastered by the master hisself, >>David Torn. >> >>You can check it out at www.alchemyrecords.com or call at 1-800-292-6932. >>(Audio smaples *should* be up later today...) >> >>It will be in stores mid-may, but it's available direct now. >> >>There. Shameless plug over now. >> >>Later, >>Jon Durant >> >> > > >Join 18 million Eudora users by signing up for a free Eudora Web-Mail account at http://www.eudoramail.com > > Join 18 million Eudora users by signing up for a free Eudora Web-Mail account at http://www.eudoramail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 22 19:49:53 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id TAA14200; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 19:49:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 19:49:53 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <371FA928.7980@pop.interport.net> Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 17:56:43 -0500 From: John + Diane Parada Reply-To: jparada@changenow.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Notes on my Akai Headrush References: <007001be8c8a$a9945a40$1d27c0d8@default> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"8ckG.0.ST1.Dkw7t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5361 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com allan thanks for the great product review. where did you get it? where did you see it advertised? thanks again...jp From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 22 20:07:28 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id UAA17323; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 20:07:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 20:07:28 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990422233351.53044.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [212.40.5.57] From: "Philipp Zuercher" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: swisslooprz Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 16:33:50 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"Miwxw1.0.bq2.H9x7t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5363 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com hiya all - Philipp again thanx for your help concerning my Echoplex Footpedal switch problems can't help answering some of your comments though to mark and the rest of the world: the only swiss looper I know of is Mich Gerber - CD Mistery Bay - a double bass player performing in switzerland occasionnally - you be the judge, but I am getting tired of the melodic minor mode after the second or third song A CD will be released this summer on FMR Records England, containing some of my compositions and improvisations for trio (g/b/dr), acoustic guitar and acoustic guitar and looper - will be announced... UNDO abuse might occur when you are experimenting a lot with the following combination Record (short Loops) - Loop Copy - modifying loops with Insert (mode: replace), keeping the groove and Overdub - choose among the modified Loops with Next Loop while soloing - trying H A R D to get back the original Loops while improvising and mistreating the Undo button - ending the whole session with a giant Overdub to Mute check it out, it's good fun and we will see who's playing wrong with all those feet and fingers rushing around at the same time - 'cause: Looping is one thing, but variation is everything (Guru Zuru) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 22 21:56:52 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id VAA02887; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 21:56:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 21:56:52 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <005101be8d26$8d9cf4e0$096aaec7@default> From: "Alan Imberg" To: References: <000e01be8cfd$d14b4c60$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> Subject: Re: Notes on my Akai Headrush Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 18:10:49 -0700 Organization: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Resent-Message-ID: <"fFly61.0.Nv6.Bdy7t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5364 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com The far right jack is the input. The middle 4 are for the individual heads (only useable in the Tape Delay mode) and the far left is referred to as the "Mix" output that combines the signal from all four heads. The Mix output is for when you are only use one amp or mixer channel. ----- Original Message ----- From: Dennis W. Leas To: Sent: Thursday, April 22, 1999 1:22 PM Subject: Re: Notes on my Akai Headrush > Thanks for the info! Very interesting! > > I can't tell from the picture on the Akai site what inputs/outputs the > Headrush has. It appears to have 6 jacks in the pix. Can you describe the > ins and outs? > > Dennis Leas > ----------------------------- > dennis@mdbs.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 22 21:58:20 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id VAA03149; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 21:58:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 21:58:20 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <006001be8d27$43038e20$096aaec7@default> From: "Alan Imberg" To: References: Subject: Re: Notes on my Akai Headrush Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 18:16:47 -0700 Organization: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Resent-Message-ID: <"iU4DE2.0.s67.xhy7t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5365 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com When overdubbing loops, your "stacking" onto the complete original loop. The length of the original loop dictates the length of the overdubs. If you hit the left button while overdubbing, it will stop overdubbing and play whatever you've overdubbed thus far without recording anything new. ----- Original Message ----- From: Unit Circle Media To: Sent: Thursday, April 22, 1999 3:57 PM Subject: Re: Notes on my Akai Headrush > A question about the overdubs? Can you tell how they are doing this? Are > they just halving the existing loop and the new input? When you put it > into overdub mode, does it continuosly overdub or can you turn it on and > off? > > thanks for the review! > > Kevin > > > Kevin Goldsmith kevin@unitcircle.com > Unit Circle Media http://www.unitcircle.com/ > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 22 23:18:34 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id XAA17032; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 23:18:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 23:18:34 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Jax1723@aol.com Message-ID: <22393636.24513508@aol.com> Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 22:29:28 EDT Subject: jamman for sale To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Reply-To: Jax1723@aol.com Resent-Message-ID: <"3KtFY.0.GH2.rkz7t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5366 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com a friend of mine just put his jam man for sale on auctionsoup.com if anyone's interested. i think he said bidding starts at $300. just figured i'd let all you loopers know another one is out there. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 23 06:55:47 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id GAA03585; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 06:55:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 06:55:47 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199904231029.TAA26859@smtp02.mail.gol.com> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 19:31:03 +0000 Subject: From: "clay saunders" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"nEFXc1.0.o9.Jm48t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5367 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com STUPIDITY AS A FRONTIER OF LONLYNESS? !help! I reciently had a ASR-x on loan and although I found it to have great soud, I found it rather difficult to use as a compositional device. Is It just me? Any suggestions on a more intuitive approach to composition on the ASRX? In the mean time I am considering what to buy (around 1200 dollars) for compostional use. Ease of use, sound quality, and versatility (re: live application) are what Im looking for. Any suggestions of things I should look at and their pro's and con's? From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 23 08:30:48 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id IAA15445; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 08:30:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 08:30:48 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <37205C75.B23D22AC@vete.ucl.ac.be> Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 13:41:42 +0200 From: Malhomme Reply-To: malhomme@vete.ucl.ac.be Organization: NOPE X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: CDs again References: <199904230017.UAA19159@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"dM0la1.0.-62.Zn58t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5368 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com ">There. Shameless plug over now. > >Later, >Jon Durant" By the way, is there any possibility wa could hope to see another CD from Robbie Aceto released? Jon, do you know anything? Olivier Malhomme From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 23 10:28:59 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id KAA03237; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 10:28:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 10:28:59 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: billfox@lucent.com Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 09:54:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199904231354.JAA04041@badboy.micro.lucent.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: EMUSIC Top 20 Resent-Message-ID: <"4dnHD2.0.iC7.Rl78t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5370 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com WDIY 88.1 FM "EMUSIC" Top 20 report to New Age Voice for April, 1999. (Shows #108 to #111; 1-April-1999 to 22-April-1999 Reported in alphabetical order by album title. Compiled by Bill Fox, billfox@fast.net <== PLEASE NOTE ADDRESS CHANGE!! ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ARTIST - ALBUM TITLE - LABEL ============================ T-Bass UK - Connexion - Thinking Metal Ian Boddy & Markus Reuter - Distant Rituals - DiN Redshift - Down Time - Champagne Lake Dave Thompson - Enigmas - EMMA Redshift - Ether - Champagne Lake Paul Nagle - Firedancer - AMP Various - GoldTri: Volume One - Stonker Various - GoldTri: Volume Two - Stonker Spacecraft - Hummel - Lektronic Soundscapes Stratosphere - The Introspective Spaces - Amplexus Ron Boots & Friends - Joie de Vivre - Groove Paul Nagle - Lore - pre-release Victor Cerullo - Ludus - Groove Various - Sequences No. 21 - Sequences Spacecraft - Spacecraft(LektronicSoundscapes Richard Bone - The Spectral Ships - Hypnos James Johnson - Surrender - Zero Music Stephen Parsick - Traces of the Past - Spheric Steve Roach - Truth & Beauty - Timeroom Paul Nagle - Wavemaker - AMP From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 23 10:32:22 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id KAA04014; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 10:32:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 10:32:22 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: billfox@lucent.com Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 09:52:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199904231352.JAA03444@badboy.micro.lucent.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: EMUSIC Playlist Resent-Message-ID: <"0QRGx3.0.P77.Gk78t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5369 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Playlist for "EMUSIC" "Emusic," an electronic, ambient, and space music show, airs each Thursday at 11pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ. http://www.wdiyfm.org/schedule/s_emusic.html Show #111 April 22, 1999. Host: Bill Fox http://www.wdiyfm.org billfox@fast.net On this show, I continued the month-long focus on British synthesist Paul Nagle, a prominent member of the GoldTri mailing list. The feature CD at midnight was a pre-release of "Lore" on AMP Records. Paul Nagle : http://www.softroom.freeserve.co.uk EMUSIC Focus : http://www.wdiyfm.org/emusic/playlists/focus.html The next Star's End Gathering will take place on April 24 at St. Mary's Church in Philadelphia. Music of Spacecraft was played as a preview to the event. Star's End : http://www.starsend.org Spacecraft : http://spaceformusic.com/spacecraft.html EMUSIC Events : http://www.wdiyfm.org/emusic/events.html ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== 11:00 pm Redshift Nails Down Time (Champagne Lake) Spacecraft Explorations in Space Hummel (Lektronic Sounscapes) Ozma Transatmospheric A Huge and Silent Place (Atomic City) J. Peschke, R. Heij, Techno Cafe CD-R from Jens Peschke T. Coppens, & A. Bloyce Ron Boots & Friends Light Pollution Joie de Vivre (Groove) Ian Boddy & Markus Voices of Doubt Distant Rituals (DiN) Reuter Stephen Parsick Quicksilver Tea Traces of the Past (Spheric) 12:00 am Paul Nagle Chill Factor Lore (pre-release) Paul Nagle Anachronist Lore (pre-release) Paul Nagle Lore Lore (pre-release) Paul Nagle Cascade Lore (pre-release) 1:00 am * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) On the next EMUSIC, I will conclude the month-long focus on British synthesizer artist Paul Nagle. The feature CD at midnight will be "Earthshaper" on AMP Records, the last disc in the four disc "Elements" series. Please visit the WDIY web site and navigate through the schedule to the EMUSIC pages. Playlists for every show are there. Hot links to artists and labels can be found in the monthly focus section. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 23 11:24:48 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id LAA13191; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 11:24:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 11:24:48 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <009a01be8d97$5d030650$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: Subject: Re: cheap samplers / loopers Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 09:41:24 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"rDaTw3.0.Me1.SX88t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5371 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sorry about the delayed response. Hope you still find this relevant. -----Original Message----- From: Matthias Grob To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Saturday, April 17, 1999 11:35 AM Subject: Re: cheap samplers / loopers >>1) I like "multiple-track" unsynchronized loops - the more the merrier > >Isn't that like spreading chaos? Don't we search for sincronicity? Ah! I'm talking about far-from-equilibrium chaos, which can lead to unexpected order. Strange attractors, dissipative structures, Belousov-Zhabotinsky reactions, etc. Sometimes I like to go to a laundromat and listen to the cross-rhythms of the many washers and dryers. There's a synchronicity in the chaos as the machines phase in and out. >One thing I am sure of: If the world ist full of or fanatic for *anything*, >its not a good place ;-). Most assuredly! It's good to be excited about something but necessary to realize that other good people may not share your enthusiasm. >We (Aurisis) have a ready project for a cheap version of the Plex (no MIDI, >no sync) where all the components would cost about this. But there is still >the PCB, housing, wall wart, work, marketing... cost. Are you familiar with Bob Moses et al work on MIDITools? (See http://www.nwlink.com/~bob/mtkit.html ) Rather than a conventional commercial product it's a do-it-yourself kind of thing. I have their book called "Digital Projects for Musicians" which describes their approach. Perhaps an approach like this might be viable? I thought about combining the MIDITools "tap tempo" MIDI clock generator with a cheap looper to give it master-slave capabilities. Not sure it's worth the effort... Dennis Leas ----------------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 23 12:44:32 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id MAA27993; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 12:44:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 12:44:32 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Reply-To: From: "Alberto Savoia" To: Subject: Have Jamman and Boomerang - Want Echoplex Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 09:01:15 -0700 Message-ID: <000a01be8da3$1dcfdce0$0f00a8c0@velogic.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2212 (4.71.2419.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Resent-Message-ID: <"FvXQ71.0.kv4.7e98t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5372 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi, I am new to this list, but I was very excited when I found it. I am a big fan of looping, and I own a Jamman and a Boomerang. I have been trying, without much luck, to try/buy an Echoplex in the San Francisco Bay Area/Silicon Valley. Nobody seems to carry it. A few of the musical instruments catalogs list them, but they mention 2-3 months to get one. The Oberheim phone numbers and email addresses I got from Harmony-Central are all out of order. Some people even told me that Oberheim stopped producing them for a few months. Can anyone please provide advice on where I can buy a new/used Echoplex? I find the Boomerang sound quality and limited features a bog drawback, even though it's great for messing around. The Jamman has a much better sound quality but the limited loop time is a huge drawback. I am hoping to replace both of them with an Echoplex - if I can ever find one. Any help is greatly appreciated. Thanks, Alberto From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 23 12:44:01 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id MAA27909; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 12:44:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 12:44:01 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: From: David Kirkdorffer To: "'Alan Imberg'" , Loopers Subject: RE: Notes on my Akai Headrush Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 12:15:21 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <"E6J3L3.0.ec5.Ts98t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5373 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sounds like this would be a great device at the END of a looping chain, to create maximum swirl-a-bility on non timed loops! Akai Headrush -- Tape Echo Mode: * This is the coolest function of the three. The Tape Echo function is designed to simulate a 4 head analog tape delay. Each head has its own output so that you can send multiple signals from the Headrush to multiple amps or mixer channels. I plugged all 4 into my 8 track recorder and was impressed. There is a Head-Gap dial where you can sync up the delay times of the heads or stagger them. When they are staggered and you use the individual head outputs, you get some cool quadraphonic echo. Maximum delay time in the Tape Echo mode is only 5.9 seconds which kind of sucks but I'm not complaining. There is a HF Damp function where you can dampen the frequency of the delay feedback. This is supposedly designed to replicate the lo-fi qualities of the old analog tape delays. It may be a useful tool but the sound quality is too good to be mistaken for old tape heads. David Kirkdorffer From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 23 14:47:17 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id OAA17607; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 14:47:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 14:47:17 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3720B58F.569AB66B@home.com> Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 11:01:52 -0700 From: Neil Goldstein X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Compositional devices References: <199904231029.TAA26859@smtp02.mail.gol.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------679A41981F885726BBB86C2C" Resent-Message-ID: <"kcQgW2.0.yl2.cZB8t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5374 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com --------------679A41981F885726BBB86C2C Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit clay saunders wrote: > STUPIDITY AS A FRONTIER OF LONLYNESS? > > !help! > > I reciently had a ASR-x on loan and although I found it to have great soud, > I found it rather difficult to use as a compositional device. Is It just me? > Any suggestions on a more intuitive approach to composition on the ASRX? > > In the mean time I am considering what to buy (around 1200 dollars) for > compostional use. Ease of use, sound quality, and versatility (re: live > application) are what Im looking for. Any suggestions of things I should > look at and their pro's and con's? After considering similar issues, and for a lot less money ($600-650) , I'm going for a Yamaha RM1x (on order). The sequencer on this is unique and powerful coupled with other midi gear. There is an PDF manual at http://www.yamaha.co.uk/eurohome/library/rm1x/rm1xe1.pdf The drums are supposed to be great, the other sounds so-so, but the brains in the sequencer look excellent. A review from a like-minded user, with similar gear as I, influenced my decision. I don't think he'd mind being quoted: > Subject: > More Opinions on Yamaha RM1x > Date: > Mon, 19 Apr 1999 21:21:42 -0500 > From: > "franklin" > To: > Neil Goldstein > > > > > Neil, > > You said you like to work with and without logic... This is the box for you. > The rm1x has an incredible, not to mention unique, sequencer. It is modeled > after and has many features of Yamaha's qy700 which is about twice as much. > The unique part is how it handles patterns and playback. You can assign any > portion of a song to one of 16 pads and play them back in any order or > fashion (have fun with the assignable realtime knobs) at the push of a > button. The rm1x sends and receives MMC and responds to MTC - so it also > integrates perfectly with logic (with logic and MTC you are also able to get > past the fact that the rm1x only has two outs - so once locked into time > code you can dump one or two channels at a time into your multitrack of > choice - mine being protools:). > > The sounds... Well most of the synth parts are from the cs1x. They're > alright and I mainly use them for soft background swooshes, noises, and > pads. The synth engine has 32 voices and the sequencer can handle another 32 > at a time on top of that - I'm yet to run out voices. The drum parts are > great. Yamaha boasts 46 kits in this box! Actually the break down is 21 sets > (with a ridiculous amount of sounds per set), 1 kit of all bass kick, 1 kit > of all toms, 1 kit of all snares, 1 kit of sound effects, then the first 21 > kits are brought back that sound until you let go of the pad (control these > with a velocity sensitive set of keys and you basically have control of > attack and decay like an analog beat box). The internal effects unit has a > couple different eq's, distortion, etc. that really compliment the drum > sounds. Worth buying the box just for the drums (and the power it has to > sequence them). > > I'm mainly into synth pop, so the rm1x does a lot of rhythm accompaniment to > acoustic instruments. It also does a lot of controlling my nord lead (love > that red beauty). The sequencer handles and remembers every tweak of the > nord's knobs so it should work great with your jp8080. A friend of has > coupled his rm1x with his a3000 sampler with impressive results. My next > purchase is the microwave XT (maybe a virus), we'll see how it handles up to > 44 cc's in one song... > > Well, I've written you a nice little novel and I don't even work for Yamaha. > If you buy one and have any questions feel free to ask. One last thing; > People often compare the new mc-505 to the rm1x. Really not much of a > comparison. The 505 does have a better sound engine (but lacks the power and > diverse drums of the rm1x) but the rm1x has so much more to offer on the > sequencing and song creation side of the spectrum. > > That's all. > > Thanks for responding, > Franklin > > > -- Neil Goldstein ngold@home.com Portland, Oregon USA --------------679A41981F885726BBB86C2C Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit clay saunders wrote:
STUPIDITY AS A FRONTIER OF LONLYNESS?

                        !help!

I reciently had a ASR-x on loan and although I found it to have great soud,
I found it rather difficult to use as a compositional device. Is It just me?
Any suggestions on a more intuitive approach to composition on the ASRX?

    In the mean time I am considering what to buy (around 1200 dollars) for
compostional use. Ease of use, sound quality, and versatility (re: live
application) are what Im looking for. Any suggestions of things I should
look at and their pro's and con's?

After considering similar issues, and for a lot less money ($600-650) , I'm going for a Yamaha RM1x (on order).  The sequencer on this is unique and powerful coupled with other midi gear.  There is an  PDF manual at http://www.yamaha.co.uk/eurohome/library/rm1x/rm1xe1.pdf

The drums are supposed to be great, the other sounds so-so, but the brains in the sequencer look excellent.

A review from a like-minded user, with similar gear as I,  influenced my decision. I don't think he'd mind being quoted:
  

Subject: 
         More Opinions on Yamaha RM1x
    Date: 
         Mon, 19 Apr 1999 21:21:42 -0500
   From: 
         "franklin" 
     To: 
         Neil Goldstein 




Neil,

You said you like to work with and without logic... This is the box for you.
The rm1x has an incredible, not to mention unique, sequencer. It is modeled
after and has many features of Yamaha's qy700 which is about twice as much.
The unique part is how it handles patterns and playback. You can assign any
portion of a song to one of 16 pads and play them back in any order or
fashion (have fun with the assignable realtime knobs) at the push of a
button. The rm1x sends and receives MMC and responds to MTC - so it also
integrates perfectly with logic (with logic and MTC you are also able to get
past the fact that the rm1x only has two outs - so once locked into time
code you can dump one or two channels at a time into your multitrack of
choice - mine being protools:).

The sounds... Well most of the synth parts are from the cs1x. They're
alright and I mainly use them for soft background swooshes, noises, and
pads. The synth engine has 32 voices and the sequencer can handle another 32
at a time on top of that - I'm yet to run out voices. The drum parts are
great. Yamaha boasts 46 kits in this box! Actually the break down is 21 sets
(with a ridiculous amount of sounds per set), 1 kit of all bass kick, 1 kit
of all toms, 1 kit of all snares, 1 kit of sound effects, then the first 21
kits are brought back that sound until you let go of the pad (control these
with a velocity sensitive set of keys and you basically have control of
attack and decay like an analog beat box). The internal effects unit has a
couple different eq's, distortion, etc. that really compliment the drum
sounds. Worth buying the box just for the drums (and the power it has to
sequence them).

I'm mainly into synth pop, so the rm1x does a lot of rhythm accompaniment to
acoustic instruments. It also does a lot of controlling my nord lead (love
that red beauty). The sequencer handles and remembers every tweak of the
nord's knobs so it should work great with your jp8080. A friend of has
coupled his rm1x with his a3000 sampler with impressive results. My next
purchase is the microwave XT (maybe a virus), we'll see how it handles up to
44 cc's in one song...

Well, I've written you a nice little novel and I don't even work for Yamaha.
If you buy one and have any questions feel free to ask. One last thing;
People often compare the new mc-505 to the rm1x. Really not much of a
comparison. The 505 does have a better sound engine (but lacks the power and
diverse drums of the rm1x) but the rm1x has so much more to offer on the
sequencing and song creation side of the spectrum.

That's all.

Thanks for responding,
                Franklin

 

--
Neil Goldstein
ngold@home.com
Portland, Oregon USA --------------679A41981F885726BBB86C2C-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 23 19:15:29 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id TAA02149; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 19:15:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 19:15:29 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3720ADD8.545C@erols.com> Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 18:28:58 +0100 From: Seligman/Paul Family X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Macintosh; U; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: new looper from MOTU Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"C51tp2.0.LT6.eHF8t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5376 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Just to clarify, the new POLAR looping stuff I just posted about is available in a tool called Digital Performer 2.6. MOTU doesn't have their web page about it up yet. -Len From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 23 19:25:41 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id TAA03846; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 19:25:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 19:25:41 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3720AD07.682C@erols.com> Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 18:25:29 +0100 From: Seligman/Paul Family X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Macintosh; U; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Anybody checked out the new looper from MOTU? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"F78YL3.0.xH6.PEF8t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5375 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I see an ad on the back of the new Electronic Musician for the Performance-oriented Loop Audio Recorder (POLAR) from Mark of the Unicorn (MOTU). Has anybody checked this thing out yet? If so, please give us a full report!!!! Thanks! -Len From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 23 19:27:34 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id TAA04182; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 19:27:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 19:27:34 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3720F841.812D5D8E@vtx.ch> Date: Sat, 24 Apr 1999 00:46:25 +0200 From: Claude Voit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: fr,en-US,fr-BE,en-GB MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight Subject: Can't get no sleep Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"lkE2o2.0.Xv7.VnF8t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5377 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com YES I'm braining again towards Echoplex improvement, (they're working on it so what?...) The topic of the day is the megaloop(TM) the plex is capable of 9 different loops so what I'm proposing is a megaloop mode where we could loop the loops example: a megaloop with 4 loops already recorded in the plex L1-L4 each loop gets a C.Cont.assigned for Megaloop (for the example cc1 = loop1;cc2 = loop2;cc3 = loop3 lets prepare a MIDI message that will make the following Megaloop: L1 L1 L1 L1, L2 L2, L3 L3 L3 L3, L4 L4 the Megaloop starts again until we leave the Megaloop mode or reprogram it on the fly for another variation program your favorite footcontr with this message CC1=4;CC2=2;CC3=4;CC4=2 this is nextloop automation this is loop sequencing we could imagine making up very simply a loop that would take more than seven hours to start again 9 loops X 128 repetitions X 22 secs = 7 hours ARGH or with very short loops (<10 ms) granular synthesis The example was a 4 step Megaloop now allow us 16 steps to build on (by ref to Roland type of sequencing) ARGHH Merde,Sh*T,Zobe, Please.... 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From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 23 21:48:25 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id VAA30203; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 21:48:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 21:48:25 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199904240127.VAA06750@emh1.pa.net> X-Sender: rswitzer@mail.pa.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 21:26:49 -0400 To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com From: Robert Switzer Subject: RE: All the Softare Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"CccWu1.0.PY6.dvH8t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5382 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Add AudioMulch, Coagula, Building Blocks, WaveSurgeon, Sounder, TechnoToys, and VSTDx to the list -- all of these are under $50, extremely useful, and of the highest quality. Harmony Central has most of them, and an altavista seach will turn up the rest. BTW, I've also been listening to some great music by listmate James Bailey -- his 1987 lp 'Dimensions' has been on my turntable quite a bit lately -- I've just gotten a copy of Fingerpaint's latest, 'In The Loop', also highly recommended. My newest, 'Dioptra Suite' is now available in CD-quality electronic release at http://www.mp3.com/evirus. This is a beatless ambient piece improvised live, and recorded direct to disk, with no overdubs, and only a little post-processing. Thanks to everyone who sent me music in exchange for the limited edition CD -- I've still got a couple left, and the first people who send me remixable original music can have 'em. Email me off-list for details. Rob From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Apr 24 01:56:09 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id BAA20000; Sat, 24 Apr 1999 01:56:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Apr 1999 01:56:09 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <003a01be8e14$429c9240$975bdfc8@doutor> From: "Julio Moreno" To: References: <3720F841.812D5D8E@vtx.ch> Subject: IC Date: Sat, 24 Apr 1999 02:35:26 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Resent-Message-ID: <"zwmCI3.0.C24.GUL8t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5383 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Somebody can help me to find an IC A6458? Thanks in advance!!! Julio From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Apr 24 04:28:19 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id EAA09723; Sat, 24 Apr 1999 04:28:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Apr 1999 04:28:19 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3721733B.983897C2@magelang.com> Date: Sat, 24 Apr 1999 01:31:07 -0600 From: Jim Coker Reply-To: jcoker@magelang.com Organization: Magelang Institute X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: new looper from MOTU References: <3720ADD8.545C@erols.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"4dhzh1.0.ef.FDN8t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5384 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com DP2.6 (a free upgrade to 2.5) isn't out yet. The Motu-Mac mailing list will have the earliest reviews; you can get subscription info at http://www.qsystemswest.com/motumac/ It's a very busy list, but pretty high in content. There are regular visits from motu tech suppt. jim Seligman/Paul Family wrote: > > Just to clarify, the new POLAR looping stuff I just posted about is > available in a tool called Digital Performer 2.6. MOTU doesn't have > their web page about it up yet. > > -Len From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Apr 24 05:04:48 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id FAA13795; Sat, 24 Apr 1999 05:04:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Apr 1999 05:04:48 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <2.2.32.19990424084209.0071ad6c@mail.dada.it> X-Sender: cavallo@mail.dada.it X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 24 Apr 1999 10:42:09 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Leo Cavallo Subject: RM1x (was Re: Compositional devices) Resent-Message-ID: <"WERMW3.0.or2.tIO8t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5385 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I tested the RM1x and it'a great little machine, ready to make a revolution in LIVE sequencing. Lot of options and possibilities... Used with a sampler it's a killer... ciao leo From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Apr 24 05:29:25 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id FAA16363; Sat, 24 Apr 1999 05:29:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Apr 1999 05:29:25 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <37218B34.F64A62F4@vete.ucl.ac.be> Date: Sat, 24 Apr 1999 11:13:26 +0200 From: Malhomme Reply-To: malhomme@vete.ucl.ac.be Organization: NOPE X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Feeding for gear acquisition syndrome References: <199904240706.DAA30652@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"HF1oE1.0.Qa3.RiO8t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5386 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I've just seen in the news for the frankfort namm news of interest for us: Korg realeased a little multi effect called the Kaos PAD (because there is a touch sensitive pad on it) that can allow controlling midi parameters on it's x and y axis. You can use it as a midi controler for external devices and they say "5 sec looping capabilities with reverse, time stretch, tranposition", filters, reverb...etc etc. Olivier Malhomme From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Apr 24 08:59:07 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id IAA05215; Sat, 24 Apr 1999 08:59:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Apr 1999 08:59:07 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Phaedebk@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 24 Apr 1999 08:36:12 EDT Subject: Hey, Kim-man To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 4 Reply-To: Phaedebk@aol.com Resent-Message-ID: <"mVm0i2.0.vh.qiR8t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5387 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hey, Kim-man, Could you sign me up please, got knocked off my old account due to cracker's activities. Had to switch to this account. Thanks a bunch, and keep up with the noise! :) Lee-ohki. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Apr 24 11:00:14 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id LAA22958; Sat, 24 Apr 1999 11:00:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Apr 1999 11:00:14 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990424142807.25221.rocketmail@send205.yahoomail.com> Date: Sat, 24 Apr 1999 07:28:07 -0700 (PDT) From: dan sumner Subject: Jamman update To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"AhrhP.0.ia4.eJT8t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5389 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Could anyone please give me some info about the Jamman update that was mentioned several months ago. Is it available? Thanks, Dan _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Apr 24 11:01:24 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id LAA23152; Sat, 24 Apr 1999 11:01:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Apr 1999 11:01:24 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990424142324.24739.rocketmail@send205.yahoomail.com> Date: Sat, 24 Apr 1999 07:23:24 -0700 (PDT) From: dan sumner Subject: Re: swisslooprz To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"1zeQG.0.jI4.FFT8t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5388 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Phil, Permagrin is planning on comming to Switzerland in 99 at some point. Can you give us any info that could be helpful? Thanks, dan --- Philipp Zuercher wrote: > hiya all - Philipp again > > thanx for your help concerning my Echoplex Footpedal > switch problems > > can't help answering some of your comments though > > to mark and the rest of the world: the only swiss > looper I know of is > Mich Gerber - CD Mistery Bay - a double bass > player performing in > switzerland occasionnally - you be the judge, but I > am getting tired > of the melodic minor mode after the second or third > song > > A CD will be released this summer on FMR Records > England, containing > some of my compositions and improvisations for trio > (g/b/dr), acoustic > guitar and acoustic guitar and looper - will be > announced... > > UNDO abuse might occur when you are experimenting a > lot with the > following combination > > Record (short Loops) - Loop Copy - modifying loops > with Insert (mode: > replace), keeping the groove and Overdub - choose > among the modified > Loops with Next Loop while soloing - trying H A R > D to get back > the original Loops while improvising and mistreating > the Undo button - > ending the whole session with a giant Overdub to > Mute > > check it out, it's good fun and we will see who's > playing wrong with > all those feet and fingers rushing around at the > same time - 'cause: > Looping is one thing, but variation is everything > (Guru Zuru) > > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at > http://www.hotmail.com > > _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Apr 24 12:54:05 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id MAA10169; Sat, 24 Apr 1999 12:54:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Apr 1999 12:54:05 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: andre@monmouth.com Message-Id: <199904241629.MAA06679@shell.monmouth.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Sat, 24 Apr 1999 12:26:44 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: JFK's LSD UFO Priority: normal In-reply-to: <199904231352.JAA03444@badboy.micro.lucent.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01d) Resent-Message-ID: <"fWl87.0.XO1.v6V8t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5390 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com thanx for the continued playlists i wonder if my duo is TOO weird for your show - if you get a chance, check out our RA on the below page - Let me know if there's interest - and i will send you our just completed CD - "live from the AlterKnit and Not" - recorded at the knitting factory in NYC peace, and keep the space music spreading!! andre' JFK's LSD UFO http://www.monmouth.com/~andre/jfk.htm soundbytes, info, dates. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Apr 24 12:54:54 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id MAA10342; Sat, 24 Apr 1999 12:54:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Apr 1999 12:54:54 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: andre@monmouth.com Message-Id: <199904241629.MAA06720@shell.monmouth.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Sat, 24 Apr 1999 12:26:44 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: New Y2K Product Priority: normal In-reply-to: <0WKAGUWG.D6V8B000@echo-on.net> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01d) Resent-Message-ID: <"LUzLf1.0.wO1.17V8t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5391 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com what if cash is completely obsolete afer 1/1/00 ?? From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Apr 24 13:37:55 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id NAA18003; Sat, 24 Apr 1999 13:37:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Apr 1999 13:37:55 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199904241701.NAA15854@shell.monmouth.com> Reply-To: From: "andre" To: Subject: Re: JFK's LSD UFO Date: Sat, 24 Apr 1999 12:59:09 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"GnODx1.0.s53.9bV8t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5392 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com my apologies.. that was meant to be a private email-- new software jitters!! sorry-proceed From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Apr 24 14:58:46 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id LAA18040; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 11:18:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 11:18:33 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199904161442.KAA21716@shell.monmouth.com> Reply-To: From: "andre" To: Subject: Re: Stereo Jam Man Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 10:40:39 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"4TpPj1.0.co1.7pq5t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5238 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > From: Kim Flint > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Subject: Re: Stereo Jam Man > Date: Thursday, April 15, 1999 11:12 PM > > hmm, wow! quite a chip on your shoulder there, Chuck. I actually wasn't HMMM...but was it a memory-update chip... eh..?? hehe From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Apr 24 14:59:19 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id NAA20418; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 13:29:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 13:29:58 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <37176C88.45D2D3E1@borland.com> Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 09:59:52 -0700 From: daniel thomas Organization: Borland.Com, a division of Inprise Corporation X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Stereo Jam Man References: <3.0.6.32.19990416013648.00938210@POP.VISI.com> <37170E69.68C4BE16@iconcapital.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"8l43r1.0.2h2.tbs5t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5243 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Would it not be more politically correct to refer to the device in question as the "jam person" Just kidding...everybody lighten up. dst bethany cassin wrote: > Now Chuck just because Kim is expressing his opinion you don't need to take it > to heart. Why don't you two just kiss and make up? Oh, by the way, let's start > yet another thread on "Jamman"... is it Jamman, or Jaman? Begin. > Forever yours, > Bethany > > Chuck Zwicky wrote: > > > Kim, > > You never miss an opportunity to post condescending remarks about the > > Jam-Man. I don't think that I have a chip on my shoulder, nor any hostility > > towards the EDP. I am a consumer. I am free to make choices about what I > > use. I have no vested interest in either the Jam-Man or the EDP. I use the > > Sellon-upgrade o/s in my Jam-Man and It provides me with he ability to > > quickly try various arrangement ideas and actually have three channels to > > work with. > > > > I often send a stereo signal to the Jam-Man. I have found that the analog > > stereo dry path is invaluable. The ability to have three loops going in > > different stereo positions adds enough spaciousness to the output, so I > > don't particularly miss the ability to input in stereo. > > > > >I have to wonder, for what you are doing, why waste time with the JamMan at > > >all? Seems like a lot of bother with limited memory, constrained I/O, lack > > >of U/I, and weird midi control. Why not use something like the Roland > > >SP-808? Or Acid on a laptop? Seems like those are much better suited to it. > > > > I actually find the Jam-Man user interface quite streamlined and very fast > > to use. > > I previously posted my thoughts on Jam-Man/EDP vs software. The bottom line > > is that you don't need to take your hands off the instrument to work them. > > I have ACID and find that they don't allow the real time recording and > > looping required for un-interrupted creative flow. Too much editorial work > > involved. I do improv, all of these devices are designed for composing > > using pre-existing sound files. > > > > The device that really interests me is the Eventide DSP4000. A friend owns > > one, it has many amazing looping possibilities. > > > > ........................................................................... > > The moment of victory is much too short to live for that and nothing else. > > > > -Martina Navrtilova From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Apr 24 14:59:48 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id AAA19684; Sat, 17 Apr 1999 00:36:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 00:36:05 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Reply-To: From: "Javier Miranda V." To: Subject: RE: Attn: Guitarists Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 21:12:27 -0700 Message-ID: <001401be8888$815c6b40$60d684ce@electra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19990416125245.0089f760@tamiu.edu> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <"9WnP83.0.Ln2.Vg06t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5266 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com By all means, dude, keep the fingers thing. Listen to ZZTop, Dire Straits, Steve Howe with Yes, lots of dudes kept playing with their fingers. It is a derivative of the folk-guitar style, but once you develop your own voice and the knack to deal with the electric side, it's many more pluses than just playing with one pick. Also, pick up some videos of Dire Straits and Yes, and you'll see for yourself. -----Original Message----- From: Michael S. Yoder [mailto:myoder@tamiu.edu] Sent: Friday 16 April 1999 10:53 AM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Attn: Guitarists I apologize if this is not appropriate for the list, but. . . . . After the series last week on different instruments for looping, I decided to expand beyond bass, and so I bought an electric guitar!!! I'm now teaching myself to play it (it's a Peavey "Raptor" which is basically a Stratocaster copy.) The question I have: how many guitarists play solid body guitars of the strat type with their fingers? I find that a pick is awkward, and my instinct is to pluck, etc. with my fingers. Am I making a mistake by foregoing the pick? Should I spend the time getting used to the pick? It sounds like Leni Stern plays (I think a strat) with her fingers, but I can't recall hearing anyone else that sounds like that. To those kind guitarists who wish to respond, please feel free to answer me privately. Thanks!!! Michael =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Dr. Michael S. Yoder Assistant Professor of Geography, Coordinator of Urban Studies Texas A&M International University 5201 University Blvd. Laredo, TX 78041 Tel. (956) 326-2634; FAX (956) 326-2464 Internet:myoder@tamiu.edu =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=--=-=-=-== From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Apr 24 15:49:51 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id PAA15261; Sat, 24 Apr 1999 15:49:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Apr 1999 15:49:51 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAuAhUAjEcK3MemIJERHQ11pwIyFYKvowoCFQC9z0cm4KTJoLhltoIXCwhlDJTO+w== From: HERETIK777@webtv.net (Mike George) Date: Sat, 24 Apr 1999 14:20:56 -0500 (CDT) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: 505 verses Rm1X Message-ID: <23481-37221998-17605@postoffice-232.iap.bryant.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: Loopers-Delight-d-request@annihilist.com's message of Sat, 24 Apr 1999 03:18:32 -0400 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Resent-Message-ID: <"a9JMI1.0.Dw2.OdX8t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5394 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com 1. Rm1x better display by far 2. MC505 better sound design capabilities 3. MC505 offers way to save sounds without patterns 4. Rm1x better pattern mix mode 5. Rm1x better sequencer 16 vs 8 6. MC505 wayyy cooler effects 7. MC505 add lib on the D-Beam 8. MC505 way steeper filters 9. Rm1x smooth rounded sound- different 10 MC505 more in your face loud and obnoxious I own both of these machines and like them both...If you are into soundtracking and triphop or ambient the Rm1X is the perfect box...however if you are into jungle, hip hop, drum and bass, and other more harder types ...the MC505 is probably the best way to go...THIS IS ONLY AN OPINION..... ** I would also like to take the time to appologize to those I flamed the other day.....sorry, if we cant get along how can we expect to help...anything so I WAS WRONG ...later http://auctions.yahoo.com/auction/4168484 From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Apr 24 21:29:54 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id VAA31751; Sat, 24 Apr 1999 21:29:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Apr 1999 21:29:54 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990425004927.53150.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [12.74.73.49] From: "kameleyon" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: ECHOPLEX Pedal not working...help! Date: Sat, 24 Apr 1999 17:49:27 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"9ekSr1.0.yT6.MTc8t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5395 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com As I was playing/figuring out my Digital Echoplex this morning, the "insert" button on my pedal board (the Oberheim pedal for the Echoplex) became a little stuck (not pressing down) and my pedal board became inoporable. I can't trigger the 'plex now, does anyone have any hints as to what to do now? Can I take the pedal board apart and try to "unstick" the button, therfore making the unit work again? Has this happened before? Thanks all...! ---//////-------///-----///------/////---///////--- Joshua D. Pickenpaugh Boulder, Colorado, U.S.A. Bassist, Composer, Teacher Digital "GIGPIX" : http://welcome.to/kameleyonmusic -///------///////-------------//----------///////-- _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Apr 25 01:24:21 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id BAA17402; Sun, 25 Apr 1999 01:24:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 01:24:21 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <37229803.CE1A1AF9@direct.ca> Date: Sat, 24 Apr 1999 21:20:19 -0700 From: optic mystic X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Crossedout@aol.com CC: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: All the Softare References: <357cfef4.24535f78@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"_CMDE1.0.NW6.vWf8t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5396 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com eh... great site: Shareware Music Machine http://www.hitsquad.com/smm/ colin http://surf.to/mediacore From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Apr 25 06:08:27 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id GAA24154; Sun, 25 Apr 1999 06:08:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 06:08:27 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3722E1A5.4FCFEB22@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 02:34:30 -0700 From: Clifford Novey X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers Subject: EDP question Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"VuSZH3.0.U75.07k8t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5397 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Can you make twoloops of different time sig so that they meet on 1 every so often? Like a 4/4 with a 5/4 over it? I don't think you can but I have a jam man and might try to sync them and try it that way- I want to put some little loops I've done on my website but my Midiman sound card is not showing correct in my sys and i can't get audio in- will let all know when I am up and running with that- would be nice to share with others who might appreciate- Cliff From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Apr 25 07:42:29 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id HAA00881; Sun, 25 Apr 1999 07:42:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 07:42:29 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Hawkeye255@aol.com Message-ID: <42704242.245451ce@aol.com> Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 07:09:02 EDT Subject: Re: ECHOPLEX Pedal not working...help! To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Reply-To: Hawkeye255@aol.com Resent-Message-ID: <"TWgl61.0.gJ7._Wl8t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5398 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Open up the pedal unit, probably a simple stuck switch. Worse case: you may have to replace the "insert" switch. Hawkeye From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Apr 25 13:51:39 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id NAA14797; Sun, 25 Apr 1999 13:51:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 13:51:39 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Dpcoffin@aol.com Message-ID: <483b8faf.2454a81f@aol.com> Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 13:17:19 EDT Subject: Re: EVENTIDE. To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 189 Reply-To: Dpcoffin@aol.com Resent-Message-ID: <"SH_JR2.0.LT2.Zwq8t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5399 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >Is >there a password or secret handshake or something? I've got a GTR4000 with no sampler installed so I can only comment on the basic unit as a looper. I've also got the Alchemy card, tho, whose manual describes some intriguing looping presets for use with the sampler card...which BTW is capable of storing multiple samples. I'll copy out a few of 'em here, from the manual pages in question...but first, my $0.02 on the secret Eventide handshake (all I have left after joining the club): (rant begins) Initiation fees are of course the first hurdle, but with the advent of their new super processor (Orville), prices have dropped significantly...by around $1000 for each 4000 series piece. Once you get your rocketship home, and after a few religious experiences with the presets, you'll want to open the control panels and make some of your own....ha! Programmed a few multiFX in yer day and think you know yer stuff, do ya? Next initiation fee: correspondence classes in audio engineering and higher math, with a minor in computer programming would be a good start. Eventide's audio tech guy Scott Gilfix is a total champ, but a solid foundation in the liberal and fine arts, plus YEARS spent happily and profitably hunched over the front panels of FX from Ensoniq, Roland, tc, Korg, Lexicon, etc., has NOT rendered more than about 15% of what he's told me understandable--let alone what I can find in the manuals. I admit this with dismay, fully aware (or at least suspecting) that many if not most on this list will be much better able than I am to deal with the almost unlimited possibilities in any Eventide, but I gotta throw out a well-considered "Bullshit" to all the reviews I've read that talk about ease of programming--Tweaking, sure, yes/programming, NO. Even if you know the code, you gotta build everything from parts, creating your own specs for every detail, down to the number of digits of parameter resolution after the decimal point (it's simple, really: %Y.Xf). Want a plain-vanilla delay that's not quite there in the presets? FIRST, you gotta built your own feedback path with one of many available mixer modules, then create a knob to control it...but sorry, you still can't control that from an external foot pedal--haven't figured out yet how to set that up with a user-created parameter (tho it is easy on factory-preset params). Want to add an LFO to mod something? First, you gotta add a module to convert its output from audio to control, then pick and configure a math module to tell it how to act or even to limit its range, THEN set up a knob if you want to adjust it..... Powerful stuff, of course, but NOT user-friendly or efficient. Do I want to sell mine? Absolutely not, unless I lose my struggle with Orville lust. There IS a 4000-series mailing list...I'm on it and have seen less than a dozen messages in the last year, mostly about Orville...does this mean that nobody else knows the secret handshake either? I don't know. They're not talking. (rant over) Non-sampler looping: Presets exist for up to 5 sec of plain old stereo looping, or 10 sec mono. With several MIDI pedals or a volume pedal and an expression pedal, you can easily control feedback and input. These are built up using series-arranged basic delay blocks that each max out at 660ms, but whose parameters have been thoughtfully ganged on simple menu pages, so you can use a single control for all of them. A 10-sec. delay uses less than half the available dsp resources, so you can still process your loop in-house. The unexpanded GTR is a very rich delay machine, with many flavors of plain, multitap, filtered and mod delays. It's not too tricky to add and connect up delay units within existing presets, so you don't have to build from scratch if you just want longer delay times in an otherwise cool preset, and don't mind clumsy, automatically-created menus. But woe if you want to create a feedback parameter when there is none (surprisingly frequent), and then want a pedal to control it. Once you add the Alchemy card and chip ($400), it gets much better, since you can now tap tempos and you'll find, for instance, a very powerful delay structure for rhythmic looping called Combtaps, which is four 660ms blocks in a feedback loop (you can choose which block is the feedback tap), each with adjustable resonance, which allows you to set up many different patterns of these delay taps (using delay times), each with a distinct timbre, level and pan position that will loop without losing the pattern...much less elegant and friendly than the Korg DL8000's slightly less flexible but much longer cross-delay/multi-tap version of the same idea, which has rhythm-pattern presets...but if you've got the time and the training, you could use this algorithm to build something even cooler on the 4000, with BPM displays and look-up tables for certain patterns. You could probably also build your own CombTaps or something similar without Alchemy......beyond me, I'm sorry to say. With Alchemy and a sampling card: Here are a few Preset descriptions: My comments in (): 1.TAPTEMPOLOOP xfade (means that it could be audio-faded in or out at a preset rate with any other patch that also uses less that half the available dsp/memory) Simple TapTempo loop. You may start and stop the counter at will. MOD1 is a volume pedal to the loop input. All these loops have a param - this is the level of source input to the loop. They also have integral volume pedals before this door. In general, with all the looping presets, any changes made to the delay time will be less prone to artifacts if entered via the keypad. Stereo in, Stereo out. 3. MEMNOSENE 1 xfade TapTempo Loop with multiply and skew. This flavor of loop manipulation lets you multiply the loop length. For best results, after you TT the length, let the loop repeat two or three times, prior to doing a multiply. Note that if is set to one, each will add to the loop a duration equal to the original length. Also beware of large values to start with, as this is subtracted from the loop length and may clip off your source. Again the skew param should not be "spun' but keyed in. Stereo in and out. 6. MEMNOSENE crystals--#3 with "Crystal echos" ( a cool pitch-shift preset) 8. BPM LOOP psycholev This version of "BPM LOOP..." adds stereo mod delays, set here with aggessive feedback. Stereo in and out. 12. BPM DNA LOOP xfade This BPM loop has two mono loops, each with independant input levels. Stereo in and out. 15. TT BPM LOOP xfade Tap the tempo in 1/4 notes which gives BPM. This is multiplied by 4 to give BARS. You may then set the number of bars to get loop length. Stereo in, out. 16. TT BPM LOOP verb...adds a reverb. Tempting, what? dpc From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Apr 25 14:06:58 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id OAA17247; Sun, 25 Apr 1999 14:06:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 14:06:58 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Dpcoffin@aol.com Message-ID: <6f7270b2.2454ab28@aol.com> Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 13:30:16 EDT Subject: Re: Notes on my Akai Headrush To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 189 Reply-To: Dpcoffin@aol.com Resent-Message-ID: <"St1tr.0.tv2.R6r8t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5400 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >From alt.guitar.fx: < Date: Sat, Apr 24, 1999 12:57 PM Message-id: <7fst5f$b13$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> Arrgghh, Mine has horrible background hiss. Actually it's so bad I'd describe it as foreground hiss, and it's the same volume if the effect is bypassed or not. It's about 1/8th the strength of the maximum signal out. It's somewhere in a delay loop somewhere. I can hear it repeating. I think it's about 1 second long. None of the controls alter the sound of this noise, except for the mode slide switch. It hisses even when nothing is plugged in. Has anyone else got their's yet? Does your's do this? Other negatives: It is absolutely not true bypass. You can set delays up to about a second without tapping, but the delay times have no markings or tick marks or anything. So it's impossible to recreate settings that aren't at maximum or minimum. When you switch it off instead of abruptly turning off, it fades the delay out slowly. This would actually be a nice feature, if you could turn it off! You can't play with the delay time controls while a delay is looping! You get this weird digital artifact of changing the sampling length, which then becomes part of the loop! This is one of my favorite things to do with delays damn it! If anyone else out there has one, please tell me if your's hisses loudly too, so I can decide if I want to ask for a replacement or just ask for my money back and wait till EH reissues the 16 second delay(which is rumored to be bumped up to 64 seconds in the reissue).>> From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Apr 25 17:13:10 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id RAA14652; Sun, 25 Apr 1999 17:13:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 17:13:10 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19990425163308.0075d8e4@postoffice.mail.cornell.edu> X-Sender: km15@postoffice.mail.cornell.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) -- [Cornell Modified] Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 16:33:08 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: kevin miller Subject: East coast tape In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19981109155118.006d75a8@popper.simi-valley.tt.slb.c om > Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"pP9jW3.0.js1.got8t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5401 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mark C., You should be getting the tape in the next couple of days (mailed Fri. morning)- Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Apr 25 18:37:05 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id SAA28117; Sun, 25 Apr 1999 18:37:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 18:37:05 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <372390B1.693D0B8@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 15:01:21 -0700 From: Clifford Novey X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers Subject: My Sounds Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"K6W7d2.0.jS5.B3v8t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5402 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi all- Just created a spot where I will post some of my creations- just one little tidbit to start but I look forward to sharing more in the near future- You can check it out at the following: http://home.earthlink.net/~clifsound/sounds.htm Cliff From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Apr 25 21:18:44 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id VAA18620; Sun, 25 Apr 1999 21:18:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 21:18:44 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3723B64F.FBC1FCAE@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 17:41:51 -0700 From: Clifford Novey X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers Subject: EDP Midi Dump? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"tfmwe1.0.UD3.bPx8t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5403 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Anyone completed a midi sample dump from an EDP to Cubase VST? I get midi going through Cubase but EDP shows the percentage completed going very fast and on and on- then when I stop Cubase from recording or EDP from dumping there is no track there- Thanks! Cliff From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Apr 25 23:45:09 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id XAA07356; Sun, 25 Apr 1999 23:45:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 23:45:09 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <717b7ebd.24552b7b@aol.com> Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 22:37:47 EDT Subject: musicworks To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 Reply-To: Nemoguitt@aol.com Resent-Message-ID: <"n7C-W.0.17.vNz8t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5404 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com many thanks for the pointer to the "musicworks" mag........what a wonderful read and the c.d. that came with it is a treat..........michael From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Apr 25 23:46:25 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id XAA07659; Sun, 25 Apr 1999 23:46:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 23:46:25 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <000c01be8f90$2e83ba40$ed67aec7@default> From: "Alan Imberg" To: References: <6f7270b2.2454ab28@aol.com> Subject: Re: Notes on my Akai Headrush Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 19:54:57 -0700 Organization: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Resent-Message-ID: <"UQIiV.0.98.BOz8t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5405 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In comparison to all my other stomp boxes, my Headrush is pretty quiet when I plug direct. When going through my amp rig, it is pretty discreet. One negative I found with further time to play with it is that when overdubbing loops, as the 1st loop is set by clicking the button, the click becomes an audible part of the loop. I too have discovered the inability of manually changing delay time while an existing loop is playing. However, I still contend that, for the money, the Headrush is still pretty cool. I think its best quality is the Tape Head mode with the 4 head outputs. I can't afford a Jam Man or Echoplex (at least while my wife holds the check book) so I look for the devices at the lower end of the price range (impoverished looper?). Compared to other looping devices in the same price range that I've tried or own (i.e. DOD D12, ZOOM 2100) the Headrush is a good buy. I would love to get a hold of the reissued EH 16 sec. but I'll bet it'll be at least $350+ if they ever reissue. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, April 25, 1999 10:30 AM Subject: Re: Notes on my Akai Headrush > From alt.guitar.fx: > < From: Nuuj > Date: Sat, Apr 24, 1999 12:57 PM > Message-id: <7fst5f$b13$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> > > Arrgghh, > > Mine has horrible background hiss. > Actually it's so bad I'd describe it as foreground hiss, and it's the same > volume if the effect is bypassed or not. It's about 1/8th the strength of the > maximum signal out. It's somewhere in a delay loop somewhere. I can hear it > repeating. I think it's about 1 second long. None of the controls alter the > sound of this noise, except for the mode slide switch. It hisses even when > nothing is plugged in. > > Has anyone else got their's yet? > Does your's do this? > > > Other negatives: > > It is absolutely not true bypass. > > You can set delays up to about a second without tapping, but the delay times > have no markings or tick marks or anything. So it's impossible to recreate > settings that aren't at maximum or minimum. > > When you switch it off instead of abruptly turning off, it fades the delay out > slowly. This would actually be a nice feature, if you could turn it off! > > You can't play with the delay time controls while a delay is looping! You get > this weird digital artifact of changing the sampling length, which then > becomes part of the loop! This is one of my favorite things to do with delays > damn it! > > If anyone else out there has one, please tell me if your's hisses loudly too, > so I can decide if I want to ask for a replacement or just ask for my money > back and wait till EH reissues the 16 second delay(which is rumored to be > bumped up to 64 seconds in the reissue).>> > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Apr 26 08:27:32 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id IAA19450; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 08:27:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 08:27:32 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: klaw@pop.iglou.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 07:59:07 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Keenan Lawler Subject: Re: EVENTIDE. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: Resent-Message-ID: <"mMPT91.0.9y3.BM59t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5406 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hello everybody - Just got back from a lovely trip out in the bay area -saw the posts concerning Eventide looping-i commited to doing a page for the site far too long ago discussing the applications of looping with these machines & im wondering aloud if anyone would be willing to help html this piece-(applications of looping -sampling alchemy (looping really became more useable with this addition)ive worked with a 4000 for nearly 4 rs now practically everyday -mixing mastering-live perfomances-etc..in short practically every endeavor involving music-please direct any questions my way regarding eventides i am one of these sickos who has done alot of programming with these amazing machines..and produced remakable results .btw also (predictably) will be selling my gtr (with full sampling card-alchemy presets etc -h3000dse -& vortex please inquire if interested ) K At 01:17 PM 4/25/99 -0400, you wrote: > > >>Is >>there a password or secret handshake or something? > >I've got a GTR4000 with no sampler installed so I can only comment on the >basic unit as a looper. I've also got the Alchemy card, tho, whose manual >describes some intriguing looping presets for use with the sampler >card...which BTW is capable of storing multiple samples. I'll copy out a few >of 'em here, from the manual pages in question...but first, my $0.02 on the >secret Eventide handshake (all I have left after joining the club): > >(rant begins) >Initiation fees are of course the first hurdle, but with the advent of their >new super processor (Orville), prices have dropped significantly...by around >$1000 for each 4000 series piece. >Once you get your rocketship home, and after a few religious experiences with >the presets, you'll want to open the control panels and make some of your >own....ha! >Programmed a few multiFX in yer day and think you know yer stuff, do ya? >Next initiation fee: correspondence classes in audio engineering and higher >math, with a minor in computer programming would be a good start. Eventide's >audio tech guy Scott Gilfix is a total champ, but a solid foundation in the >liberal and fine arts, plus YEARS spent happily and profitably hunched over >the front panels of FX from Ensoniq, Roland, tc, Korg, Lexicon, etc., has NOT >rendered more than about 15% of what he's told me understandable--let alone >what I can find in the manuals. I admit this with dismay, fully aware (or at >least suspecting) that many if not most on this list will be much better able >than I am to deal with the almost unlimited possibilities in any Eventide, >but I gotta throw out a well-considered "Bullshit" to all the reviews I've >read that talk about ease of programming--Tweaking, sure, yes/programming, >NO. Even if you know the code, you gotta build everything from parts, >creating your own specs for every detail, down to the number of digits of >parameter resolution after the decimal point (it's simple, really: %Y.Xf). >Want a plain-vanilla delay that's not quite there in the presets? FIRST, you >gotta built your own feedback path with one of many available mixer modules, >then create a knob to control it...but sorry, you still can't control that >from an external foot pedal--haven't figured out yet how to set that up with >a user-created parameter (tho it is easy on factory-preset params). Want to >add an LFO to mod something? First, you gotta add a module to convert its >output from audio to control, then pick and configure a math module to tell >it how to act or even to limit its range, THEN set up a knob if you want to >adjust it..... Powerful stuff, of course, but NOT user-friendly or efficient. >Do I want to sell mine? >Absolutely not, unless I lose my struggle with Orville lust. > >There IS a 4000-series mailing list...I'm on it and have seen less than a >dozen messages in the last year, mostly about Orville...does this mean that >nobody else knows the secret handshake either? I don't know. They're not >talking. >(rant over) > >Non-sampler looping: >Presets exist for up to 5 sec of plain old stereo looping, or 10 sec mono. >With several MIDI pedals or a volume pedal and an expression pedal, you can >easily control feedback and input. These are built up using series-arranged >basic delay blocks that each max out at 660ms, but whose parameters have been >thoughtfully ganged on simple menu pages, so you can use a single control for >all of them. A 10-sec. delay uses less than half the available dsp resources, >so you can still process your loop in-house. > >The unexpanded GTR is a very rich delay machine, with many flavors of plain, >multitap, filtered and mod delays. It's not too tricky to add and connect up >delay units within existing presets, so you don't have to build from scratch >if you just want longer delay times in an otherwise cool preset, and don't >mind clumsy, automatically-created menus. But woe if you want to create a >feedback parameter when there is none (surprisingly frequent), and then want >a pedal to control it. > >Once you add the Alchemy card and chip ($400), it gets much better, since you >can now tap tempos and you'll find, for instance, a very powerful delay >structure for rhythmic looping called Combtaps, which is four 660ms blocks in >a feedback loop (you can choose which block is the feedback tap), each with >adjustable resonance, which allows you to set up many different patterns of >these delay taps (using delay times), each with a distinct timbre, level and >pan position that will loop without losing the pattern...much less elegant >and friendly than the Korg DL8000's slightly less flexible but much longer >cross-delay/multi-tap version of the same idea, which has rhythm-pattern >presets...but if you've got the time and the training, you could use this >algorithm to build something even cooler on the 4000, with BPM displays and >look-up tables for certain patterns. You could probably also build your own >CombTaps or something similar without Alchemy......beyond me, I'm sorry to >say. > >With Alchemy and a sampling card: >Here are a few Preset descriptions: My comments in (): >1.TAPTEMPOLOOP xfade (means that it could be audio-faded in or out at a >preset rate with any other patch that also uses less that half the available >dsp/memory) >Simple TapTempo loop. You may start and stop the counter at will. MOD1 is a >volume pedal to the loop input. All these loops have a param - this is >the level of source input to the loop. They also have integral volume pedals >before this door. In general, with all the looping presets, any changes made >to the delay time will be less prone to artifacts if entered via the keypad. >Stereo in, Stereo out. >3. MEMNOSENE 1 xfade >TapTempo Loop with multiply and skew. This flavor of loop manipulation lets >you multiply the loop length. For best results, after you TT the length, let >the loop repeat two or three times, prior to doing a multiply. Note that if > is set to one, each will add to the loop a duration equal to >the original length. Also beware of large values to start with, as >this is subtracted from the loop length and may clip off your source. Again >the skew param should not be "spun' but keyed in. >Stereo in and out. >6. MEMNOSENE crystals--#3 with "Crystal echos" ( a cool pitch-shift preset) >8. BPM LOOP psycholev >This version of "BPM LOOP..." adds stereo mod delays, set here with aggessive >feedback. >Stereo in and out. >12. BPM DNA LOOP xfade >This BPM loop has two mono loops, each with independant input levels. >Stereo in and out. >15. TT BPM LOOP xfade >Tap the tempo in 1/4 notes which gives BPM. This is multiplied by 4 to give >BARS. You may then set the number of bars to get loop length. >Stereo in, out. >16. TT BPM LOOP verb...adds a reverb. > > >Tempting, what? >dpc > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Apr 26 12:02:31 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id MAA21527; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 12:02:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 12:02:31 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990426113352.007bb2c0@panther.middlebury.edu> X-Sender: mchriste@panther.middlebury.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 11:33:52 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: murkie Subject: Re: East coast tape In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.19990425163308.0075d8e4@postoffice.mail.cornell.e du> References: <3.0.32.19981109155118.006d75a8@popper.simi-valley.tt.slb.c om > Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"r9fQr1.0.t24.qU89t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5407 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 04:33 PM 4/25/99 -0400, you wrote: > Mark C., > You should be getting the tape in the next couple of days (mailed >Fri. morning)- > > Kevin > groovy. perfect timing. m.c. ===================================================================== = = = M a r k C h r i s t e n s e n = = Cramped Quarters Studio / Jasperpottamus Music Publishing = = internet: murkie@middlebury.edu = = http://www.middlebury.edu/~mchriste/murkie.html = = = ===================================================================== From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Apr 26 13:39:01 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id NAA07268; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 13:39:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 13:39:01 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: matthias@pop3.bahianet.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 14:24:03 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: full range setup out of a 4X12 cab(slight loop content) Resent-Message-ID: <"_xLPf2.0.Qh.6_99t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5411 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >ive always loved the sound of full range guitar(particularly clean)but needed >the grime of the 4X12 for distortion etc.... >im also doing alot of full range looping stuff >and to top that off i also got a vg8 recently > >i want to know if anyone out there has midified their 4X12 with something >like a tweeter >or throwing some bass 10s in there instead of 2 12's >i.e. left side=a 10(bass) 12(mids) and a tweeter(highs) >same for right >crosover, no crosover? At PARADIS we proposed this in the eighties. We added a small cabinet with a mid-high 8' speaker and a cap (as crossover, otherwhies it does not survive!) and a footswitch so you can use it for clear piezo sounds and switch it off for heavy solos... From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Apr 26 13:40:04 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id NAA07635; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 13:40:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 13:40:04 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: matthias@pop3.bahianet.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3722E1A5.4FCFEB22@earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 14:23:57 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: EDP question Resent-Message-ID: <"RDXZj2.0._g.1_99t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5410 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >Can you make twoloops of different time sig so that they meet on 1 every >so often? Like a 4/4 with a 5/4 over it? I don't think you can but I >have a jam man and might try to sync them and try it that way- >I want to put some little loops I've done on my website but my Midiman >sound card is not showing correct in my sys and i can't get audio in- >will let all know when I am up and running with that- would be nice to >share with others who might appreciate- Once you have two synced EDPs you can: - Multiply different times on each unit - MIDI sync them with different 8th/beat parameters. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Apr 26 13:40:09 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id NAA07698; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 13:40:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 13:40:09 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: matthias@pop3.bahianet.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <19990422233351.53044.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 14:23:25 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: swisslooprz Resent-Message-ID: <"8Ioqw2.0.vf.Y-99t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5409 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hey Philipp! >UNDO abuse might occur when you are experimenting a lot with the >following combination I was not serious about "abuse" at all! I use UNDO a lot also to go back to the simple beginning of the loop after a thick overdubbed part. >Record (short Loops) - Loop Copy - modifying loops with Insert (mode: >replace), keeping the groove and Overdub - choose among the modified >Loops with Next Loop while soloing - trying H A R D to get back >the original Loops while improvising and mistreating the Undo button - >ending the whole session with a giant Overdub to Mute Hm, I see, the destructive energy might be the anger when UNDO ist not doing what expected... - Maybe you have Overdub on or FB reduced, so you need to hit UNDO faster than the new repetitions happen to really go backwards? - Usually after not doing Overdubs it takes 2 UNDO to hear an effect because the first only undoes the actual copy which the unit always makes, for the case that you decide to change something in it. Even if you do not change anything, you have to undo it. >check it out, it's good fun and we will see who's playing wrong with >all those feet and fingers rushing around at the same time - 'cause: >Looping is one thing, but variation is everything (Guru Zuru) wow... ok, I need to try your recipy! From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Apr 26 13:38:44 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id NAA07216; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 13:38:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 13:38:44 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: cbm@mail.well.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <483b8faf.2454a81f@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 10:12:18 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Chris Muir Subject: Re: EVENTIDE. Resent-Message-ID: <"PHsoo1.0.AZ.iy99t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5408 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com To add to Dpcoffin's excellent Eventide write up, while still not addressing the subject of looping with Eventide (need to see that handshake, folks): You basically can't do much very complicated stuff from the front panel of a DSP4000, and it's even harder with the Orville (which I'm beta testing, and writing patches for). You really need their (free) PC editor to get anywhere. All of the DSP4000 patches I did (none too many) were of the fairly simple variety. Since I got the editor program, and a PC to run it on, I've done several quite fancy presets that would have been pretty much impossible from the front panel. Ok, maybe not impossible, but highly improbable. The best analogy is to DSP lego. Let's say that you want to play with a lego car. First you have to find some wheels, then you have to build a chassis, then you have to build a body, and put in windows, etc. With the DSP4000 and friends, if you want a simple delay line you have to place simple input and output mixers, put down a delay line (or two for stereo), slap in a feedback path (or two for stereo), and build a UI to control it. For a delay line, this seems like a fair amount of work. But for a complicated patch that has _just_ what you want in _just_ the right places, you need this sort of flexibility. One of the patches I've recently done has a multi-tap delay acting as a reverse verb-like thing, a delay line that feeds a ring mod, the two of which get mixed into another multi-tap that acts like a sproingy tail. It took me an hour or two to make it, and another hour or three to play with it and fine tune it. If your goal is to write patches, you have to be careful here, as the playing part can go on for happy hours, lost in the sound. This is not too dissimilar to the approach taken by the IRCAM/Opcode/Cycling74 Max program. Building blocks at a fairly atomic level that allow and compel the patch creator to dig in and make something. This trade-off between ease of use and flexibility is a tough one. I'm glad that there are some flexible tools there that allow me to do whatever I want. I'm also glad that there are some fairly straight forward tools that do what they do, well and simply. I'm hooked on the Orville, and dread the day that they want it back. Chris _________________________________________________ Chris Muir | cbm@well.com | Got moloko? From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Apr 26 14:04:29 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id OAA12378; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 14:04:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 14:04:29 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <2148EC143F29D1118BE000805FC13CD092D5FC@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Notes on my Akai Headrush Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 12:36:56 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Resent-Message-ID: <"8th-h2.0.dm1.XIA9t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5412 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > In comparison to all my other stomp boxes, my Headrush is pretty quiet > when > I plug direct. > ** agreed. i've found it to be very quiet so far. haven't really cranked my setup super loud, so it may reveal some other noise when i do crank it in the future. almost all of my pedals are super quiet, so i don't seem to be hearing anything new in terms of noise. > One > negative I found with further time to play with it is that when > overdubbing > loops, as the 1st loop is set by clicking the button, the click becomes an > audible part of the loop. > ** yeah. i noticed this too. my feeling is that it seems to have more to do with the kind of sound going on: long tones, etc. > I too have discovered the inability of manually > changing delay time while an existing loop is playing. > ** yes. i'd be frustrated by this except that my eh16 does do this sort of thing so that i can use that for time/pitch modification. the other real "design flaw" (besides the wall wart) is that i belive that they could've done it with reverse for not too much money. perhaps a later version of the same machine will do this. > However, I still > contend that, for the money, the Headrush is still pretty cool. I think > its > best quality is the Tape Head mode with the 4 head outputs. > > ** i agree with these points. the "regular" delay is also nice. i really like the hf damp - - makes the delay sound more "organic" to my ears. a versatile machine as it can be used for projects when i don't want to loop. and it's fairly small. stig From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Apr 26 16:40:14 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id QAA08444; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 16:40:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 16:40:14 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <01BE8FE3.7B694FC0@pool048-max1.ds12-ca-us.dialup.earthlink.net> From: Bien Appraisers To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: EDP question Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 12:43:59 -0700 Encoding: 28 TEXT Resent-Message-ID: <"Planm1.0.i4.JFC9t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5413 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Ok, I got you- what about doing the same thing with a Jam Man- could that be possible? I have one of those on hand and it will be awhile before i would ever get a second EDP- Thanks for your help! Cliff ---------- From: Matthias Grob[SMTP:matthias@grob.org] Sent: Monday, April 26, 1999 10:23 AM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: EDP question >Can you make twoloops of different time sig so that they meet on 1 every >so often? Like a 4/4 with a 5/4 over it? I don't think you can but I >have a jam man and might try to sync them and try it that way- >I want to put some little loops I've done on my website but my Midiman >sound card is not showing correct in my sys and i can't get audio in- >will let all know when I am up and running with that- would be nice to >share with others who might appreciate- Once you have two synced EDPs you can: - Multiply different times on each unit - MIDI sync them with different 8th/beat parameters. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Apr 26 17:11:56 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id RAA13707; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 17:11:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 17:11:56 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: PJBMHB@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 16:30:06 EDT Subject: Re: Notes on my Akai Headrush To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 Reply-To: PJBMHB@aol.com Resent-Message-ID: <"qe_Gj.0.Vq1.IsC9t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5415 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com so how much delay time and looping time are we talking about? can you overdub stuff? =-) PJ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Apr 26 17:04:02 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id RAA12491; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 17:04:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 17:04:02 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Sender: r_t_cummings@csi.com Message-ID: <3724CEAE.3887BDA7@csi.com> Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 22:38:06 +0200 From: Cummings X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [de] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Janek Subject: man cable recommends ... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Iyy7w3.0.Kb1.OmC9t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5414 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com ... this really interesting site about circuit-bending etc: http://www.pansiecola.demon.co.uk/tech.html -the man cable- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Apr 26 18:02:13 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id SAA23189; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 18:02:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 18:02:13 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <2148EC143F29D1118BE000805FC13CD092D5FF@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: Notes on my Akai Headrush Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 16:25:14 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Resent-Message-ID: <"uej1a2.0.Ax3.ZeD9t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5416 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com don't have the manual right here, but i'll make a go of it. 5.9 secs in the tape echo mode 23.9 secs in regular dig delay mode 11.3 (or something like that) in loop mode IF you're going to overdub - - 23.9 in you're not. you can overdub. also has a simple undo function where you take out ALL of the overdubs after the original loop. stig > -----Original Message----- > From: PJBMHB@aol.com [SMTP:PJBMHB@aol.com] > Sent: Monday, April 26, 1999 13:30 > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Subject: Re: Notes on my Akai Headrush > > so how much delay time and looping time are we talking about? can you > overdub > stuff? =-) PJ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Apr 26 18:20:28 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id SAA26809; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 18:20:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 18:20:28 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <2.2.32.19990426214542.00b8adc4@pop.chromatic.com> X-Sender: kflint@pop.chromatic.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 14:45:42 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: RE: EDP question Cc: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Resent-Message-ID: <"F94Xg3.0.lt4.MxD9t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5417 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com should be fine with the jamman. For example, use the jamman to set the basic 4/4 midi clock tempo, then use a combination of multiply and 8ths/beat parameter on the echoplex to sync up any alternative time signature. kim At 12:43 PM 4/26/99 -0700, Bien Appraisers wrote: >Ok, I got you- what about doing the same thing with a Jam Man- could that >be possible? I have one of those on hand and it will be awhile before i >would ever get a second EDP- Thanks for your help! > >Cliff > >---------- >From: Matthias Grob[SMTP:matthias@grob.org] >Sent: Monday, April 26, 1999 10:23 AM >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Subject: Re: EDP question > >>Can you make twoloops of different time sig so that they meet on 1 every >>so often? Like a 4/4 with a 5/4 over it? I don't think you can but I >>have a jam man and might try to sync them and try it that way- >>I want to put some little loops I've done on my website but my Midiman >>sound card is not showing correct in my sys and i can't get audio in- >>will let all know when I am up and running with that- would be nice to >>share with others who might appreciate- > >Once you have two synced EDPs you can: >- Multiply different times on each unit >- MIDI sync them with different 8th/beat parameters. > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________ Kim Flint, MTS 408-845-6383 ATI Research kflint@atitech.com http://www.atitech.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Apr 26 21:56:25 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id VAA30500; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 21:56:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 21:56:25 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <372512B2.16C44AA6@stic.net> Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 20:28:19 -0500 From: "James H. Sidlo" Organization: James H. Sidlo X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: EMUSIC Playlist References: <199904231352.JAA03444@badboy.micro.lucent.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"q0e1d2.0.476.16H9t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5418 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hello Bill, Did I mail you a copy of Crevice "Think of Pleasant Things" cd? Best, James Web site: www.unclebuzz.com billfox@lucent.com wrote: > Playlist for "EMUSIC" > > "Emusic," an electronic, ambient, and space music show, airs each Thursday > at 11pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in > Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ. http://www.wdiyfm.org/schedule/s_emusic.html > > Show #111 April 22, 1999. > Host: Bill Fox http://www.wdiyfm.org > billfox@fast.net > > On this show, I continued the month-long focus on British synthesist Paul > Nagle, a prominent member of the GoldTri mailing list. The feature CD > at midnight was a pre-release of "Lore" on AMP Records. > > Paul Nagle : http://www.softroom.freeserve.co.uk > EMUSIC Focus : http://www.wdiyfm.org/emusic/playlists/focus.html > > The next Star's End Gathering will take place on April 24 at St. Mary's > Church in Philadelphia. Music of Spacecraft was played as a preview to > the event. > > Star's End : http://www.starsend.org > Spacecraft : http://spaceformusic.com/spacecraft.html > EMUSIC Events : http://www.wdiyfm.org/emusic/events.html > > ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) > ======================= ======================== ============================== > 11:00 pm > Redshift Nails Down Time (Champagne Lake) > Spacecraft Explorations in Space Hummel (Lektronic Sounscapes) > Ozma Transatmospheric A Huge and Silent Place (Atomic City) > J. Peschke, R. Heij, Techno Cafe CD-R from Jens Peschke > T. Coppens, & A. Bloyce > Ron Boots & Friends Light Pollution Joie de Vivre (Groove) > Ian Boddy & Markus Voices of Doubt Distant Rituals (DiN) > Reuter > Stephen Parsick Quicksilver Tea Traces of the Past (Spheric) > > 12:00 am > Paul Nagle Chill Factor Lore (pre-release) > Paul Nagle Anachronist Lore (pre-release) > Paul Nagle Lore Lore (pre-release) > Paul Nagle Cascade Lore (pre-release) > > 1:00 am > > * = exerpt > VA = Various Artists (compilation) > > On the next EMUSIC, I will conclude the month-long focus on British > synthesizer artist Paul Nagle. The feature CD at midnight will be > "Earthshaper" on AMP Records, the last disc in the four disc "Elements" > series. > > Please visit the WDIY web site and navigate through the schedule to the > EMUSIC pages. Playlists for every show are there. Hot links to artists > and labels can be found in the monthly focus section. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Apr 26 21:58:46 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id VAA30895; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 21:58:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 21:58:46 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <372512D3.243D60CA@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 18:28:52 -0700 From: Clifford Novey X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: EDP question References: <2.2.32.19990426214542.00b8adc4@pop.chromatic.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"sZqdm1.0.pL6.fBH9t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5420 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thanks Kim! Cliff Kim Flint wrote: > should be fine with the jamman. For example, use the jamman to set the basic > 4/4 midi clock tempo, then use a combination of multiply and 8ths/beat > parameter on the echoplex to sync up any alternative time signature. > > kim > > At 12:43 PM 4/26/99 -0700, Bien Appraisers wrote: > >Ok, I got you- what about doing the same thing with a Jam Man- could that > >be possible? I have one of those on hand and it will be awhile before i > >would ever get a second EDP- Thanks for your help! > > > >Cliff > > > >---------- > >From: Matthias Grob[SMTP:matthias@grob.org] > >Sent: Monday, April 26, 1999 10:23 AM > >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > >Subject: Re: EDP question > > > >>Can you make twoloops of different time sig so that they meet on 1 every > >>so often? Like a 4/4 with a 5/4 over it? I don't think you can but I > >>have a jam man and might try to sync them and try it that way- > >>I want to put some little loops I've done on my website but my Midiman > >>sound card is not showing correct in my sys and i can't get audio in- > >>will let all know when I am up and running with that- would be nice to > >>share with others who might appreciate- > > > >Once you have two synced EDPs you can: > >- Multiply different times on each unit > >- MIDI sync them with different 8th/beat parameters. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint, MTS 408-845-6383 > ATI Research kflint@atitech.com > http://www.atitech.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Apr 26 22:00:39 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id WAA31209; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 22:00:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 22:00:39 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <37251344.50CEF274@stic.net> Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 20:30:45 -0500 From: "James H. Sidlo" Organization: James H. Sidlo X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: EMUSIC Top 20 References: <199904231354.JAA04041@badboy.micro.lucent.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"gTTJw2.0.WB6.I8H9t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5419 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hello Bill, Looks like your doing the "right" (independent) dj "thing". I haven't heard of most of the bands on your play list!! Good work!!! Best, James billfox@lucent.com wrote: > WDIY 88.1 FM "EMUSIC" Top 20 report to New Age Voice for April, 1999. > (Shows #108 to #111; 1-April-1999 to 22-April-1999 > Reported in alphabetical order by album title. > Compiled by Bill Fox, billfox@fast.net <== PLEASE NOTE ADDRESS CHANGE!! > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > ARTIST - ALBUM TITLE - LABEL > ============================ > T-Bass UK - Connexion - Thinking Metal > Ian Boddy & Markus Reuter - Distant Rituals - DiN > Redshift - Down Time - Champagne Lake > Dave Thompson - Enigmas - EMMA > Redshift - Ether - Champagne Lake > Paul Nagle - Firedancer - AMP > Various - GoldTri: Volume One - Stonker > Various - GoldTri: Volume Two - Stonker > Spacecraft - Hummel - Lektronic Soundscapes > Stratosphere - The Introspective Spaces - Amplexus > Ron Boots & Friends - Joie de Vivre - Groove > Paul Nagle - Lore - pre-release > Victor Cerullo - Ludus - Groove > Various - Sequences No. 21 - Sequences > Spacecraft - Spacecraft(LektronicSoundscapes > Richard Bone - The Spectral Ships - Hypnos > James Johnson - Surrender - Zero Music > Stephen Parsick - Traces of the Past - Spheric > Steve Roach - Truth & Beauty - Timeroom > Paul Nagle - Wavemaker - AMP From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Apr 27 05:03:27 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id FAA31459; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 05:03:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 05:03:27 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3723B64F.FBC1FCAE@earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 01:38:20 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: EDP Midi Dump? Resent-Message-ID: <"LCw-h.0.lH7.bVN9t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5421 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 5:41 PM -0700 4/25/99, Clifford Novey wrote: >Anyone completed a midi sample dump from an EDP to Cubase VST? no, don't use cubase so I can't comment on that side. >I get >midi going through Cubase but EDP shows the percentage completed going >very fast and on and on- then when I stop Cubase from recording or EDP >from dumping there is no track there- It's actually not percentage, since Eric never bothered to implement that bit. :-) The count is actually samples, I think. Basically it counts to 127 and repeats, over and over and over. Just let it keep going, eventually it finishes. Be prepared to wait a really, really long time though. Midi Sample dump is real slow. (its a midi thing, not edp thing). Expect midi sample dump to take about 80 times longer than the length of the sample. If I were you, I would just record the audio out of the echoplex directly into Cubase and forget about sample dump. Then it takes 1 times the length of the sample. :-) more sample dump stuff and other thrilling bits of echoplex knowledge can be found in the echoplex faq on the LD site: http://www.annihilist.com/loop/tools/echoplex/FAQ.html kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Apr 27 06:13:59 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id GAA04179; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 06:13:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 06:13:59 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990427095237.16863.rocketmail@web118.yahoomail.com> Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 02:52:37 -0700 (PDT) From: John Tidwell Subject: Midi controller question To: Loopers Delight MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"EFzSO1.0.JZ.gZO9t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5422 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I've really enjoyed the Eventide discussion even though I don't own one. What I do own is a Digitech GSP 2101. It allows for the construction of custom algorithms, but lacks independent LFO's for controlling parameters. Do any of you know of an outboard midi controller that has LFO's that can be assigned to control another midi device? My web search has been fruitless & I can't believe that a (m)idiot such as I would be the first to want a device like this. Your assistance is appreciated. John === John Tidwell _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Apr 27 07:54:14 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id HAA11595; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 07:54:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 07:54:14 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199904271133.HAA30312@nerf.ulster.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 07:31:20 -0400 Subject: OT: Goin' to Taos for vacation - ideas? From: "jmw/cmu" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, MAX@LISTS.MCGILL.CA, epsasrts-digest@soundcentral.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"5bmkW3.0.xQ2.I2Q9t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5423 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com My wife & I will be in the Taos, New Mexico area from 5/8 thru 5/22*. Just wondering if anyone on the list has ideas about interesting things to see & do in the area. I'm sure we will have no problem finding the usual tourist traps but sometimes you need inside help to find the really interesting events & performances (the stranger the better). Thanks in advance. John * we'll be attending a workshop on building "Earthships" - completely off-the-grid sustainable housing using recycled tires, timber, bottles & cans. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Apr 27 10:50:08 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id KAA32410; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 10:50:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 10:50:08 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: klaw@pop.iglou.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 08:51:35 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Keenan Lawler Subject: Re: Midi controller question In-Reply-To: <19990427095237.16863.rocketmail@web118.yahoomail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: Resent-Message-ID: <"FHV6M2.0.QS6.UNS9t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5424 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com John-dont know if theres a stand alone controller that will do it but i can do it my eventide 4000.thats no shit.......K t 02:52 AM 4/27/99 -0700, you wrote: >I've really enjoyed the Eventide discussion even though >I don't own one. What I do own is a Digitech GSP 2101. >It allows for the construction of custom algorithms, >but lacks independent LFO's for controlling parameters. > >Do any of you know of an outboard midi controller that >has LFO's that can be assigned to control another midi >device? My web search has been fruitless & I can't >believe that a (m)idiot such as I would be the first >to want a device like this. > >Your assistance is appreciated. > >John >=== >John Tidwell > > > >_________________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Apr 27 10:55:06 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id KAA00808; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 10:55:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 10:55:06 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: dmgraph@mail.earthlink.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <2148EC143F29D1118BE000805FC13CD092D5FF@migarexch01.maritz.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 10:20:55 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: David Myers Subject: RE: Notes on my Akai Headrush Resent-Message-ID: <"Iaco32.0.aq6.RVS9t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5425 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Have been following the Headrush reviews. Sounds pretty cool and the price is right, but as I'm often interested in soft, subtle sounds, the talk of "switch pop" is troubling. Users, have you found any way around this? Does it occur in all modes? David Myers From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Apr 27 13:40:18 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id NAA00610; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 13:40:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 13:40:18 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3725F44C.4DB856C9@borland.com> Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 10:30:52 -0700 From: daniel thomas Organization: Borland.Com, a division of Inprise Corporation X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Remove References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"fxAlp3.0.Ky6.Y4V9t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5426 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Please remove me from this list. Keenan Lawler wrote: > John-dont know if theres a stand alone controller that will do it but i can > do it my eventide 4000.thats no shit.......K > > t 02:52 AM 4/27/99 -0700, you wrote: > >I've really enjoyed the Eventide discussion even though > >I don't own one. What I do own is a Digitech GSP 2101. > >It allows for the construction of custom algorithms, > >but lacks independent LFO's for controlling parameters. > > > >Do any of you know of an outboard midi controller that > >has LFO's that can be assigned to control another midi > >device? My web search has been fruitless & I can't > >believe that a (m)idiot such as I would be the first > >to want a device like this. > > > >Your assistance is appreciated. > > > >John > >=== > >John Tidwell > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________ > >Do You Yahoo!? > >Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Apr 27 14:33:57 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id OAA11357; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 14:33:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 14:33:57 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 13:06:15 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199904271906.NAA01729@servidor.unam.mx> X-Sender: smaug@servidor.unam.mx (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Andy Soto Subject: MY OWN LABEL Resent-Message-ID: <"64QCA3.0.8X1.XsV9t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5427 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I=B4m trying not only to release my self produced CD (loops all the way)= but to create my own micro indie label.Does anybody in this list knows where I can look for info on these matters? I=B4m looking for info on distribution deals prperty registrations,taxes,you know,all this related to the tiny= label. Hope this is not very off topic,please feel free to reply privately. Any Help will be appreciated. Thanx!! Andy in Mexico City. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Apr 27 15:03:38 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id PAA17342; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 15:03:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 15:03:38 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <372605A8.ED1B53A7@magelang.com> Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 12:44:56 -0600 From: Jim Coker Reply-To: jcoker@magelang.com Organization: Magelang Institute X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Subject: looping batteries Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"HVVrf1.0.3O3.iMW9t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5429 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Can anyone recommend a good rechargeable battery system. I'd mostly be using it for 9v batters to feed an ebow. jim From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Apr 27 15:03:14 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id PAA17275; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 15:03:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 15:03:14 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <37260569.7C32EC04@magelang.com> Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 12:43:53 -0600 From: Jim Coker Reply-To: jcoker@magelang.com Organization: Magelang Institute X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Midi controller question References: <19990427095237.16863.rocketmail@web118.yahoomail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Refc23.0.LK3.xLW9t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5428 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Some FX boxes that have internal lfo's can output them as Midi CC values. I know the Lexicon MPX G2 can do this. You might be able to scarf up something based around a cv-midi converter, or use a software-based solution like Opcode's Max. John Tidwell wrote: > > I've really enjoyed the Eventide discussion even though > I don't own one. What I do own is a Digitech GSP 2101. > It allows for the construction of custom algorithms, > but lacks independent LFO's for controlling parameters. > > Do any of you know of an outboard midi controller that > has LFO's that can be assigned to control another midi > device? My web search has been fruitless & I can't > believe that a (m)idiot such as I would be the first > to want a device like this. > > Your assistance is appreciated. > > John > === > John Tidwell > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Apr 27 15:18:06 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id PAA20416; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 15:18:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 15:18:06 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Dpcoffin@aol.com Message-ID: <93583db3.2457627f@aol.com> Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 14:57:03 EDT Subject: Re: Midi controller question To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Mac sub 85 Reply-To: Dpcoffin@aol.com Resent-Message-ID: <"E3XE41.0.q04.zZW9t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5430 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 4/27/99 11:12:43 AM, you wrote: <> No, you're the second...as far as I can tell. I've been wishlisting this idea around for several years, with equal incredulity, and everybody seems to reply (when anyone does) with something like: "Oh, I see, cool. Well, that would be nice, but don't hold your breath...." ...OR, they say to get MAX and build it on my Mac...but I want HARDWARE. The only devices I've found are the Lexicon MPX-1 (or G2), which is unique as far as I know in that its internal controllers can also be sent as continuous-control MIDI messages, but only if they're also controlling something else in the box, which means you'll eat up the limit of 5 control destinations very quickly, and the various new Yamaha digital mixers. If I read the specs right, these guys can serve as sophisticated automated MIDI controllers, tho I guess I don't know if they have LFOs, come to think of it---anyone know? Many otherwise interesting MIDI boxes, like the Peavey 1600, or the Keyfax Phatboy, or the new Kurzweil ribbon controller add-on, all have lots of sliders, etc., but none includes an on-board LFO. Everybody seems to think you'll always have your hands free when you need to mod something, or will always have a sequencer running... We need a MIDIOT guitar maniac to get involved here....(hint..hint) dpc From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Apr 27 15:20:10 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id PAA20872; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 15:20:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 15:20:10 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Dpcoffin@aol.com Message-ID: <1d9b35a1.2457634f@aol.com> Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 15:00:31 EDT Subject: Re: Re: Midi controller question To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, klaw@konstant.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Mac sub 85 Reply-To: Dpcoffin@aol.com Resent-Message-ID: <"sp1Dz1.0.BC4.BdW9t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5431 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 4/27/99 3:49:19 PM, you wrote: <> Yikes--you mean, you can get it to send out MIDI continuous control messages from an internal LFO?!?! Does it also have to be controlling something on the 4000? (I thought I'd already learned that I can't do this with my GTR....hmmmm.) dpc From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Apr 27 17:18:27 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id RAA11233; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 17:18:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 17:18:27 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3726238D.A21557D2@magelang.com> Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 14:52:29 -0600 From: Jim Coker Reply-To: jcoker@magelang.com Organization: Magelang Institute X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Subject: Re: Midi controller question References: <93583db3.2457627f@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"tQ21A2.0.nc1.HEY9t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5432 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I've got an 01V, many midi goodies, but I don't think any lfo's. Kyma can do it, easily, but it's pretty expensive to buy for just that. ;) Jim From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Apr 27 17:44:39 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id RAA15983; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 17:44:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 17:44:39 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Reply-To: From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: Subject: RE: Midi controller question Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 14:22:51 -0700 Message-ID: <000701be90f4$1b60c7e0$26ee8fd1@linkexchange.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 In-Reply-To: <3726238D.A21557D2@magelang.com> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <"KOUR12.0.dx2.KgY9t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5433 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > > >I've got an 01V, many midi goodies, but I don't >think any lfo's. Kyma can do it, easily, but >it's pretty expensive to buy for just that. ;) > >Jim You could create touch track lfo sweeps in a sequencer and loop them, this keeps you within the studio enviroment. Logic audio does this kind of stuff best. bIz From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Apr 27 21:21:56 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id VAA20197; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 21:21:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 21:21:56 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3726153C.8E23F43F@texas.net> Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 19:51:26 +0000 From: Bobdog Reply-To: psbuddha@texas.net Organization: Pseudo Buddha/Doghouse Ent. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers Delight Subject: Boss DF-2 for sale Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"G1EXv3.0.Qi3.Fkb9t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5434 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com hi all - i work at a store called krazy kat music in san antonio (www.krazykatmusic.com, 210-737-0523) we have a boss distortion feedbacker (df-2) for $89 + shipping. i remember a few folks were interested a coupla weeks back, so here it is. if interested, please email me AT WORK, not here at home, please krazy2@flash.net bobdog From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Apr 27 23:47:26 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id XAA10900; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 23:47:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 23:47:26 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhQoRvW2vhBL7FyPr/ddwpevpqCeEwIVAKrahwozEU0X1LMipWFhmChZKyrd From: vimana@webtv.net (vimana) Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 22:14:39 -0500 (CDT) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Remove Message-ID: <29394-37267D1F-6389@postoffice-121.bryant.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: daniel thomas 's message of Tue, 27 Apr 1999 10:30:52 -0700 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Resent-Message-ID: <"Kp9ZS.0.5Y1.ord9t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5435 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com please remove off list,vacation time.thanx vim From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 28 00:25:31 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id AAA18678; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 00:25:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 00:25:31 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <002401be912a$b3b21900$3660aec7@default> From: "Alan Imberg" To: References: Subject: Re: Notes on my Akai Headrush Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 20:53:33 -0700 Organization: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Resent-Message-ID: <"78_Ay.0.5-2.ARe9t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5436 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I discovered the switch pop in the Loop Mode while recording a sustained loop direct to recorder.It occurs when closing the loop of the 1st loop before overdubbing. It isn't noticably audible when I use it in my normal looping chain going to my amp. When looping in Normal Delay Mode, you can set delay times without the foot switch, thus avoiding the pop. Over-dubbable delay time is longer in the Normal Delay Mode. The switch pop is a bummer but I still have no regrets. There are still many "quiet" applications that I can use the Headrush for. ----- Original Message ----- From: David Myers To: Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 1999 8:20 AM Subject: RE: Notes on my Akai Headrush > Have been following the Headrush reviews. Sounds pretty cool and the price > is right, but as I'm often interested in soft, subtle sounds, the talk of > "switch pop" is troubling. 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Mike From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 28 02:39:43 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id CAA23226; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 02:39:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 02:39:43 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Steve Savage" To: Subject: Upcoming sharkbrother gigs Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 07:55:21 +0200 Message-ID: <005101be913b$b3e3c7a0$051e010a@digitalm.co.za> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Resent-Message-ID: <"MbrPq2.0._i4.oOg9t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5438 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi all We'll be performing at Tings & Times in Hatfield Pretoria again on the 2nd of May (for those surviving the Oppikoppi bash on Friday, perhaps some mellow moods to straighten you out before the Monday rush ?) and at the Aberlarde Sanction in Brixton on Saturday the 15th of May, followed by Tings and Times again on the 16th. All gigs will start at 9pm. regards sharkbrother ********MEDIA RELEASE******** FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE SHARKBROTHER APRIL 1999 LOCAL SHORES Cobus Rossouw, formerly of Sundogs, together with Steve Savage (Cargo Cult and formerly Mind Astray) have formed a new band called sharkbrother. They are hard at work perfecting present material and developing new and exciting material that promises to continue on the trend of their ever-popular electro-folk. The band, although they have been together since October 1998, are excited about recent developments and now consider themselves ready for deeper waters. Cobus is best known for his venture with Sundogs together with Max and Conrad Loubser. Sundogs was a great vehicle but the punk arrangements never really did justice to the songwriting and though the musical ideology was sound the delivery was never true to the nature of the material. sharkbrother's musical style is a true reflection of the soul and nature of the musicians, their lives and experiences. Their influences range from Tindersticks to Travelpack. Instrumentation is simple, displaying a unique and innovative blend of semi-acoustic archtop jazz guitar (Cobus) providing the rhythm and electric bass (Steve) accentuating the melodic structure of the songs. Their demo album, consisting of 18 tracks is available upon request from Cobus and include such songs as; Only Yesterday, Torture, Silence and Night of Secrets. The band's unique melodies, a product of Cobus's vocals and Steve's fresh approach to the bass guitar, create a sound that differentiates sharkbrother from any other band, both local and international. sharkbrother will be playing at Tings & Times on Sunday 18 April. For further information e-mail sharkbrother at cobusr@satis.co.za sharkbrother http://listen.to/sharkbrother Steve Savage Digital Mining Services 083 305 1136 011 807 5151 From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 28 06:40:06 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id GAA19775; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 06:40:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 06:40:06 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <000801be915e$3b792120$b1acf5d0@oemcomputer> From: "Wayne & Melva Perry" To: Subject: subscribe Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 20:02:27 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0005_01BE91B2.0A5E21E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: <"VklS02.0.L14.ztj9t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5439 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01BE91B2.0A5E21E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable subscribe ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01BE91B2.0A5E21E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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------=_NextPart_000_0005_01BE91B2.0A5E21E0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 28 08:38:40 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id IAA02849; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 08:38:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 08:38:40 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199904281215.IAA20517@nerf.ulster.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 08:08:43 -0400 Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V99 #174 From: "jmw/cmu" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"aUb9M3.0.Gk7.6ll9t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5440 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >it---anyone know? Many otherwise interesting MIDI boxes, like the Peavey >1600, or the Keyfax Phatboy, or the new Kurzweil ribbon controller add-on, I would also welcome a stand-alone MIDI LFO box. One soIution, if you can get your hands on an analog LFO, is the Peavey 1600's CV inputs - they will convert up to +10v to midi. I've messed around in Max, making a LFO patch that tweaks every parameter in rebirth, including the selection of sequences, it was fun but a hardware solution would be ideal. If you were completely insane you could autmate your CV pedals with hobby motors! Imagine your bandmates' suprise when they see your pedals moving up & down under their own power... peace, jmw From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 28 09:23:23 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id JAA08506; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 09:23:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 09:23:23 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199904281215.IAA20517@nerf.ulster.net> Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 08:55:39 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Patrick Smith Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V99 #174 Resent-Message-ID: <"6d4OU2.0.3H1.PNm9t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5441 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com The second half of this message sounds like a project for you.... >>it---anyone know? Many otherwise interesting MIDI boxes, like the Peavey >>1600, or the Keyfax Phatboy, or the new Kurzweil ribbon controller add-on, > > >I would also welcome a stand-alone MIDI LFO box. One soIution, if you can >get your hands on an analog LFO, is the Peavey 1600's CV inputs - they will >convert up to +10v to midi. > >I've messed around in Max, making a LFO patch that tweaks every parameter in >rebirth, including the selection of sequences, it was fun but a hardware >solution would be ideal. > >If you were completely insane you could autmate your CV pedals with hobby >motors! >Imagine your bandmates' suprise when they see your pedals moving up & down >under their own power... > > >peace, > >jmw From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 28 10:10:14 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id KAA16082; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 10:10:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 10:10:14 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Synthblock@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 09:46:05 EDT Subject: Line6 Delay/looper/sampler To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 38 Reply-To: Synthblock@aol.com Resent-Message-ID: <"zvmnx3.0.o03.r6n9t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5442 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com The new issue of guitar player has a short blurb about some "nonfunctioning" effect boxes introduced by Line6 at NAMM. One of them is a Delay "modeling" pedal that is supposed to have 12 sec. of delay time with looping and sampling capabilities. The article says it has holds three user settings, has stereo ins and outs, and a switch for tap tempo. There's a picture of the modulation pedal and it shows a bunch of knobs and four switches. Looks as well made as my POD. They should be available later this year. The article didn't offer any more info. regards, jonathan (http://members.tripod.com/~synthetic_block/) From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 28 13:17:33 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id NAA18276; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 13:17:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 13:17:33 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: ejmd@pop.erols.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3726238D.A21557D2@magelang.com> References: <93583db3.2457627f@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 12:45:12 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Ed Drake Subject: Looping feature in June 99 Bass Player Magazine Resent-Message-ID: <"uHdBH.0.V43.cip9t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5443 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hey just a heads up about the looping stuff in the new Bass Player Magazine with Doug Wimbush on the cover. Nothing seems really new but I haven't read it in detail yet. Software and hardware loopers are mentioned. Ed From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 28 14:14:15 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id OAA28848; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 14:14:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 14:14:15 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <372747A0.34E831F3@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 13:38:41 -0400 From: theorcolus Reply-To: theorcolus@earthlink.net Organization: 144 Music X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers Delight Subject: Re:May 5th the Knitting Factory Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"w7ekC.0.0T5.zWq9t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5445 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Just a bit of shameless promotion: Vocalist/looper Theo Bleckmann and I will be performing at the Knitting Factory on May 5th at 9 PM. We will be recording the evenings improv. Thanks David C Gross 6 string fretless bass/electronics/loops "a great musician needs to be committed!" From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 28 14:14:13 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id OAA28843; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 14:14:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 14:14:13 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <37274725.88CD605C@borland.com> Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 10:36:37 -0700 From: daniel thomas Organization: Borland.Com, a division of Inprise Corporation X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: remove-unsubscribe References: <93583db3.2457627f@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"QG0NB.0.V85.FPq9t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5444 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com please remove me Ed Drake wrote: > Hey just a heads up about the looping stuff in the new Bass Player Magazine > with Doug Wimbush on the cover. Nothing seems really new but I haven't read > it in detail yet. Software and hardware loopers are mentioned. > > Ed From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 28 16:56:32 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id QAA28874; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 16:56:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 16:56:32 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: billfox@lucent.com Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 16:19:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199904282019.QAA13591@badboy.micro.lucent.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: EMUSIC Playlist & Re: EMUSIC Top 20 Resent-Message-ID: <"AWcyE2.0.LC5.oss9t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5446 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com James Sidlo said: > Did I mail you a copy of Crevice "Think of Pleasant Things" cd? Dunno, but I'll check. > Looks like your doing the "right" (independent) dj "thing". I > haven't heard of most of the bands on your play list!! Good work!!! That could be attributed to the small following of electronic music... Cheers! Bill home: billfox@fast.net work: BillFox@lucent.com ============================================================================== Host of Emusic, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. Email me if you wish to submit music for airplay consideration. ============================================================================== My radio show: http://www.wdiyfm.org My band site: http://www.crosswinds.net/allentown/~shadowplay From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 28 17:45:01 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id RAA06441; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 17:45:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 17:45:01 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: cstecker@barr642.berkeley.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 14:01:43 -0700 To: ba-newmus@eartha.mills.edu, analogue@hyperreal.com, loopers-delight@annihilist.com, snuggles@kuci.org, omni-artists@barr642.berkeley.edu From: Chris Stecker Subject: EVENT (SF): Omni-Micro Hot Licks! Apr 29 Resent-Message-ID: <"iHiUp2.0.FG.zct9t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5447 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Artists' Theater Workshop (Oakland), AirSickBags Omnimedia, & Ovenguard Music Present: Omnimicro: A Series of Themed Electronic Improvisational Explorations. *** This Thursday: Hot Licks *** Where: Artists' Theatre Workshop 1932 Telegraph Ave Downtown Oakland (very close to 19th street BART station) When: Thursday April 29 Doors open @ 7:30 Performances begin @ 8:00 featuring: Jet Black Hair People Like Us (audiovisuo-SF/UK) Steev Hise (samplitar-SF) Dj Pod (with NOODLE-SF) Vance Galloway (SF) Optikal Nutrasweet(tm) (visuals-SF) This week it's all about guitars: modified, processed, prepared, and broken. Special guest artists include People Like Us and Wobbly. ----------------- This is the third of a four-part weekly series happening in Oakland this month. The series is a spinoff of the successful OmniMedia festival, which you may have read about in last December's "Electronic Musician." For more information on this show, check out http://www.ovenguard.com If you have other questions, please do not hesitate to write me directly. Thanks. -Chris Stecker honcho, Ovenguard Music From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 28 18:41:01 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id SAA15568; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 18:41:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 18:41:01 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <2148EC143F29D1118BE000805FC13CD092D61E@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: Loopers Delight Subject: l.a. gig plug Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 17:07:22 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Resent-Message-ID: <"He_xN3.0.xV2.GSu9t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5448 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com howdy, for any interested parties in the l.a. region: 2 may 1999 (this sunday) at 8:00 p.m. bone structure: g.e. stinson: guitars, implements, loopage jeff gauthier: violins, loopage steuart liebig: basses, implements, loopage gregg bendian: drumset/percussion free-improv fun-and-games also apperaing is san francisco's own joel harrisson. at the open gate music series: Pasadena Shakespeare Theatre Company in the Pasadena Mall 296 Plaza, 2nd Level Free Parking in the Mall parking structure Enter on Green Street between Euclid and Los Robles Call for Admission and Time(626) 795-4989 maybe i'll see ya there, steuart From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 28 20:39:53 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id UAA03236; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 20:39:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 20:39:53 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Sender: r_t_cummings@csi.com Message-ID: <372794FD.E458DC9F@csi.com> Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 01:08:46 +0200 From: Cummings X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [de] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers Delight Subject: Re: Midi controller question References: <000701be90f4$1b60c7e0$26ee8fd1@linkexchange.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"nWw0w2.0.YZ7.ADw9t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5449 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com this got me thinking about my mpc2000 which of course can sends oodles of *programmed* cc stuff. however, i suppose you've already considered the hardware midi sequencer method. Jonathan El-Bizri schrieb: > > > > > > >I've got an 01V, many midi goodies, but I don't > >think any lfo's. Kyma can do it, easily, but > >it's pretty expensive to buy for just that. ;) > > > >Jim > > You could create touch track lfo sweeps in a sequencer and loop them, this > keeps you within the studio enviroment. Logic audio does this kind of stuff > best. > > bIz From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 28 22:10:44 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id WAA17252; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 22:10:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 22:10:44 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3727B81D.71080850@stic.net> Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 20:38:38 -0500 From: "James H. Sidlo" Organization: James H. Sidlo X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: OT: Goin' to Taos for vacation - ideas? References: <199904271133.HAA30312@nerf.ulster.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"nXqkB2.0.Iv2.hRx9t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5450 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hello John, You might try the white water rafting. I hear it's excellent!! Cheers, James jmw/cmu wrote: > My wife & I will be in the Taos, New Mexico area from 5/8 thru 5/22*. > Just wondering if anyone on the list has ideas about interesting things to > see & do in the area. > I'm sure we will have no problem finding the usual tourist traps but > sometimes you need inside help to find the really interesting events & > performances (the stranger the better). > > Thanks in advance. > > John > > * we'll be attending a workshop on building "Earthships" - completely > off-the-grid sustainable housing using recycled tires, timber, bottles & > cans. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Apr 28 22:29:02 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id WAA20171; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 22:29:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 22:29:02 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3727BE11.DD31151B@stic.net> Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 21:04:02 -0500 From: "James H. Sidlo" Organization: James H. Sidlo X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: l.a. gig plug References: <2148EC143F29D1118BE000805FC13CD092D61E@migarexch01.maritz.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"loQci2.0.bn3.Ypx9t"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5451 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Good Luck!!! Wish I could be there!! Will there be a cd release from the proceedings? James www.unclebuzz.com Liebig, Steuart A. wrote: > howdy, > > for any interested parties in the l.a. region: > > 2 may 1999 (this sunday) at 8:00 p.m. > > bone structure: > > g.e. stinson: guitars, implements, loopage > > jeff gauthier: violins, loopage > > steuart liebig: basses, implements, loopage > > gregg bendian: drumset/percussion > > free-improv fun-and-games > > also apperaing is san francisco's own joel harrisson. > > at the open gate music series: > > Pasadena Shakespeare Theatre Company in the Pasadena Mall 296 Plaza, 2nd > Level > Free Parking in the Mall parking structure Enter on Green Street between > Euclid and Los Robles > Call for Admission and Time(626) 795-4989 > > maybe i'll see ya there, > > steuart From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 29 03:41:19 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id DAA20984; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 03:41:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 03:41:19 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199904290720.QAA11375@smtp01.mail.gol.com> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 16:21:24 +0000 Subject: asrxpro or sp808 wanted From: "clay saunders" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"dbQ8G1.0.0V4.qX0At"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5452 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wanted to buy ASRX PRO or SP 808. If you are selling your gear please let me know. Clay From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 29 09:11:57 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id JAA28790; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 09:11:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 09:11:57 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: william.m.seiberling@us.arthurandersen.com X-Lotus-FromDomain: ANDERSEN WO To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-ID: <06256762.004BB537.00@us.arthurandersen.com> Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 08:37:26 -0500 Subject: Re: Remove Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"Id9BE1.0._E6.zL5At"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5454 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Please remove me from the list for now. 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From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 29 10:55:08 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id KAA14464; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 10:55:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 10:55:08 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: From: Anthony Mullen To: Loopers-Delight-d@annihilist.com, Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Is anyone from Edinburgh on this list? Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 15:29:15 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"cDhOq.0.oW2.Zq6At"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5455 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com If so e-mail me private - looking for a new head to knock and jam ideas from.... From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 29 11:23:02 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id LAA19607; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 11:23:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 11:23:02 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990429141836.18121.rocketmail@web222.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 07:18:36 -0700 (PDT) From: petr dolak Subject: EDP problem To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"2eJDJ1.0.JA3.V37At"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5456 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I have a question. It happened to me twice already: I was on the stage, announced the next composition, and started playing. My EDP was set: feedback half, overdub on, loop about 2sec. The EDP, however, ignored the feedback knob and kept overdubing, like if feedback was on max. I deleted the loop and started again. The same like before, the EDP ignored the the knob. I restarted the Echoplex. And the same over again. Finally, I turned the knob to minimum and recorded a short loop. Then half feedback again, and then it was fine. Since this whole operation was happening right on stage, you can imagine how frustrating it was. Any advice to avoid this problem next time? I am sorry if anything related to this was discussed recently here and I overlooked it. petr pepetr@yahoo.com === Nasledujici oznameni je bohuzel nevyhnutelne. V zadnem pripade ale neznamena, ze bych osobne chtel propagovat tuto spolecnost. _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 29 12:01:47 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id MAA27588; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 12:01:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 12:01:47 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 17:24:17 -0100 (GMT) From: "Luis Jose Quintana Vazquez (uvigo)" To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Subject: MIDI MUX (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Resent-Message-ID: <"AQmAn1.0.wp4.Ec7At"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5457 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com =09Hasta pronto, =09=09 =09=09=09Luis Jos=E9 Quintana V. =09=09=09josele@mail2.udc.es ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 17:39:03 -0100 (GMT) From: Luis Jose Quintana Vazquez (uvigo) To: info@mail2.udc.es Subject: MIDI MUX =09Hi, my name is Luis Quintana, and i'm looking for some chip that can multiplex various midi signals and transform them into one unique midi flow= . =09If you can help in some way, please mail me. You probably could=20 save my life. =09Thanks in any case! =09Hasta pronto, =09=09 =09=09=09Luis Jos=E9 Quintana V. =09=09=09josele@mail2.udc.es From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 29 13:46:30 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id NAA14417; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 13:46:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 13:46:30 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <2148EC143F29D1118BE000805FC13CD092D629@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: l.a. gig plug Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 12:24:34 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Resent-Message-ID: <"zZ_5T3.0.0b2.9P9At"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5458 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com probably not of this gig. this band is supposed to be a part of a compilation that ge is doing for a label. stig > -----Original Message----- > From: James H. Sidlo [SMTP:jameshsidlo@stic.net] > Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 1999 19:04 > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Subject: Re: l.a. gig plug > > Good Luck!!! Wish I could be there!! Will there be a cd release from the > proceedings? > > James > > www.unclebuzz.com > > Liebig, Steuart A. wrote: > > > howdy, > > > > for any interested parties in the l.a. region: > > > > 2 may 1999 (this sunday) at 8:00 p.m. > > > > bone structure: > > > > g.e. stinson: guitars, implements, loopage > > > > jeff gauthier: violins, loopage > > > > steuart liebig: basses, implements, loopage > > > > gregg bendian: drumset/percussion > > > > free-improv fun-and-games > > > > also apperaing is san francisco's own joel harrisson. > > > > at the open gate music series: > > > > Pasadena Shakespeare Theatre Company in the Pasadena Mall 296 Plaza, 2nd > > Level > > Free Parking in the Mall parking structure Enter on Green Street between > > Euclid and Los Robles > > Call for Admission and Time(626) 795-4989 > > > > maybe i'll see ya there, > > > > steuart From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 29 17:46:24 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id RAA27703; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 17:46:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 17:46:24 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <003f01be9285$dc8baec0$188cb0d1@oemcomputer> From: "Eric Williamson" To: Subject: Jamman on ebay. Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 16:18:40 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003C_01BE925B.F16A3020" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"hqrdM3.0.Ks5.awCAt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5459 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003C_01BE925B.F16A3020 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >From the guy who brought you ebay's last $700 JamMan, an announcement of = my intent to fund a Kyma system with the funds raised from $700 JamMen = auctions. Selling my Echoplexen got me my Hammond organ & three = Leslies, the Jammen (who are inexplicibly worth more) will get me my = Kyma box. The URL is: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3D97701200 also, check out my tunes at = http://www.mp3.com/artists/13/the_suit_and_tie_guy_band.html , I used an = Echoplex on the dub tune (#13 on the mp3.com dub reggae chart). Keep Loopin, Eric Williamson aka Suit & Tie Guy --- Peoria's finest ambient bitch --- ------=_NextPart_000_003C_01BE925B.F16A3020 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
From the = guy who brought=20 you ebay's last $700 JamMan, an announcement of my intent to fund a Kyma = system=20 with the funds raised from $700 JamMen auctions.  Selling my = Echoplexen got=20 me my Hammond organ & three Leslies, the Jammen (who are = inexplicibly worth=20 more) will get me my Kyma box.  The URL = is:
 
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3D977= 01200
 
also, check out my tunes at htt= p://www.mp3.com/artists/13/the_suit_and_tie_guy_band.html , I used an Echoplex on the dub tune = (#13 on the=20 mp3.com dub reggae chart).
 
Keep = Loopin,
Eric Williamson = aka Suit & Tie Guy
--- Peoria's finest = ambient bitch=20 ---
------=_NextPart_000_003C_01BE925B.F16A3020-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 29 18:41:14 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id SAA05803; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 18:41:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 18:41:14 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Sender: r_t_cummings@csi.com Message-ID: <3728D0A8.C83BC984@csi.com> Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 23:35:36 +0200 From: Cummings X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [de] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: MIDI MUX (fwd) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <"hlDOz3.0.Qm7.KXDAt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5460 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com isn't a midi merger box the easiest way to take care of this problem? -the man cable- Luis Jose Quintana Vazquez (uvigo) schrieb: > > Hasta pronto, > > Luis Jos Quintana V. > > josele@mail2.udc.es > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 17:39:03 -0100 (GMT) > From: Luis Jose Quintana Vazquez (uvigo) > To: info@mail2.udc.es > Subject: MIDI MUX > > Hi, my name is Luis Quintana, and i'm looking for some chip that can > multiplex various midi signals and transform them into one unique midi flow. > > If you can help in some way, please mail me. You probably could > save my life. > > Thanks in any case! > > Hasta pronto, > > Luis Jos Quintana V. > > josele@mail2.udc.es From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Apr 29 19:53:42 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id TAA19463; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 19:53:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 19:53:42 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: ANET@aol.com Message-ID: <1b7669c1.245a432f@aol.com> Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 19:20:15 EDT Subject: Re: OT: Goin' to Taos for vacation - ideas? To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 246 Resent-Message-ID: <"fa8-b.0.7N3.pcEAt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5461 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I lived in New Mexico for a number of years and go there for vacation every year. Just outside of Taos you'll see the Rio Grande Gorge, quite a place to see. Two of the largest mountain ranges in New Mexico come together there and have created a very cool canyon. Take a day trip to Cimmaron and stay in the hotel there ( an 1800's) original (no tvs or air conditioners). Santa Fe is worth seeing - remember though that it has become Hollywood jr. and there is a lot of fluff. There is a very old Catholic church there that is claimed to have a staircase built without nails by an anonymous carpenter. It is very mysterious and quite beautiful. Santa Fe may have some good Mexican food but the best is found in Las Cruces. Ask for which restaurant serves the best chile rellenos. Go to the pueblos in the area to see the real New Mexico of old and buy some nice turquoise for your wife. Try out Albuquerque and go to the top of Sandia mountain (Cedar Crest), Its really a nice place. And then stop by some coffee shops by the university and try to catch a live musical performance there. Chama and Pagosa springs area to the north west of Taos are very enchanted places as well. Have a good one. JP From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 30 02:47:22 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id CAA03097; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 02:47:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 02:47:22 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: matthias@pop3.bahianet.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <19990429141836.18121.rocketmail@web222.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 03:20:21 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: EDP problem Resent-Message-ID: <"ckB_o1.0.PW7.7fKAt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5464 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >I have a question. It happened to me twice already: I was on the stage, >announced the next composition, and started playing. My EDP was set: >feedback half, overdub on, loop about 2sec. The EDP, however, ignored the >feedback knob and kept overdubing, like if feedback was on max. I deleted >the loop and started again. The same like before, the EDP ignored the the >knob. I restarted the Echoplex. And the same over again. Finally, I >turned the knob to minimum and recorded a short loop. Then half feedback >again, and then it was fine. Since this whole operation was happening >right on stage, you can imagine how frustrating it was. Any advice to >avoid this problem next time? > >I am sorry if anything related to this was discussed recently here and I >overlooked it. Looks just as if the unit had received a MIDI feed back command and then only listened to the front knob again when you moved it. As you discovered, turning the FB knob a little is a save remedy. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 30 02:53:55 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id CAA04801; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 02:53:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 02:53:55 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: matthias@pop3.bahianet.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199904281215.IAA20517@nerf.ulster.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 03:20:21 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: MIDI LFO Resent-Message-ID: <"FFaLo2.0.LW7.7fKAt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5463 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >>it---anyone know? Many otherwise interesting MIDI boxes, like the Peavey >>1600, or the Keyfax Phatboy, or the new Kurzweil ribbon controller add-on, > > >I would also welcome a stand-alone MIDI LFO box. One soIution, if you can >get your hands on an analog LFO, is the Peavey 1600's CV inputs - they will >convert up to +10v to midi. Thats a reasonable solution. A triangle LFO can be done with one IC and very few parts arround, you can solder it into the pedal even... From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 30 04:50:35 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id EAA18197; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 04:50:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 04:50:35 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Steve Savage" To: "Jeff" Subject: Midrange Freedom Fighters Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 10:15:30 +0200 Message-ID: <003901be92e1$9c7283c0$051e010a@digitalm.co.za> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <"qYp5Y.0.nv3.dcMAt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5465 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Press Release: ====================================================== Midrange Freedom Fighters @ ICE freedom dance festival ====================================================== So who exactly are the Midrange Freedom Fighters? Part underground psychedelic trance terrorists, part all-night party people, but mostly South Africa's first live psychedelic trance act. Blending the mesmerising melodic structures and synthesized soundscapes of trance with the hard danceability of techno, and a little big beat funkiness thrown in for good measure, the Midrange Freedom Fighters are a collective of some of Johannesburg's finest cutting edge dance music producers. Fronted primarily by Jeff Fletcher (aka Splonge) and Pierre Zeeman (aka paracyc) and featuring frequent collaborations with some of the other trancients on the scene: Starspine, Zentribe etc. Noms de guerre aside, the MFF have considerable combat experience within the South African dance music scene with track releases on the early Get The Funk Out albums, and dj work starting at the old 4th World and almost every trance party that has happened in Johannesburg since the mighty 303 first graced our sunny shores. There have also been several live appearances including Carfax, Earthdance, Synergy (New Year in Cape Town), Rustlers Valley and now the ICE freedom dance festival. The culmination of this will be the Millennium party in Cape Town, organised by Vortex where the MFF will be playing alongside some of the world's best psychedelic trance producers (Astral Projection, Etnica, The Green Nuns of the Revolution etc.) Internationally, the trance movement has gained significant momentum since the early days of beach parties in Goa. There have been parties in Israel recently with up 40,000 ravers all coming together under the banner of trance.Even hardened house fanatics are being subverted to trance with the inclusion on the most recent Sasha and Digweed compilation of tracks by legendary trance dj Tsuyoshi Suzuki and from the Flying Rhino stable, both well known to tranceheads around the world and frequent visitors to these fair shores. Because of the incredible energy and spirit displayed by South African party people, South Africa (particularly the Vortex parties in Cape Town) is regarded by international djs and trance producers as being one of the unmissable stops on a circuit of revels that carries them to all four corners of the planet. The MFF have kicked it alongside such luminaries, entirely holding their own and raising that spirit and energy into a frenzy. It is this exuberance which the MFF are currently hard at work distilling and shaping in their underground sonic laboratories for the release of their debut album later this year. ======================== Contact : Jeff Fletcher mailto:jeff@citec.net From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 30 05:16:24 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id FAA21464; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 05:16:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 05:16:24 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Steve Savage" To: "Jeff" Subject: Midrange Freedom Fighters Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 10:26:36 +0200 Message-ID: <003e01be92e3$2963a420$051e010a@digitalm.co.za> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <"onsqL3.0.DO4.9vMAt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5466 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Press Release: ====================================================== Midrange Freedom Fighters @ ICE freedom dance festival ====================================================== So who exactly are the Midrange Freedom Fighters? Part underground psychedelic trance terrorists, part all-night party people, but mostly South Africa's first live psychedelic trance act. Blending the mesmerising melodic structures and synthesized soundscapes of trance with the hard danceability of techno, and a little big beat funkiness thrown in for good measure, the Midrange Freedom Fighters are a collective of some of Johannesburg's finest cutting edge dance music producers. Fronted primarily by Jeff Fletcher (aka Splonge) and Pierre Zeeman (aka paracyc) and featuring frequent collaborations with some of the other trancients on the scene: Starspine, Zentribe etc. Noms de guerre aside, the MFF have considerable combat experience within the South African dance music scene with track releases on the early Get The Funk Out albums, and dj work starting at the old 4th World and almost every trance party that has happened in Johannesburg since the mighty 303 first graced our sunny shores. There have also been several live appearances including Carfax, Earthdance, Synergy (New Year in Cape Town), Rustlers Valley and now the ICE freedom dance festival. The culmination of this will be the Millennium party in Cape Town, organised by Vortex where the MFF will be playing alongside some of the world's best psychedelic trance producers (Astral Projection, Etnica, The Green Nuns of the Revolution etc.) Internationally, the trance movement has gained significant momentum since the early days of beach parties in Goa. There have been parties in Israel recently with up 40,000 ravers all coming together under the banner of trance.Even hardened house fanatics are being subverted to trance with the inclusion on the most recent Sasha and Digweed compilation of tracks by legendary trance dj Tsuyoshi Suzuki and from the Flying Rhino stable, both well known to tranceheads around the world and frequent visitors to these fair shores. Because of the incredible energy and spirit displayed by South African party people, South Africa (particularly the Vortex parties in Cape Town) is regarded by international djs and trance producers as being one of the unmissable stops on a circuit of revels that carries them to all four corners of the planet. The MFF have kicked it alongside such luminaries, entirely holding their own and raising that spirit and energy into a frenzy. It is this exuberance which the MFF are currently hard at work distilling and shaping in their underground sonic laboratories for the release of their debut album later this year. ======================== Contact : Jeff Fletcher mailto:jeff@citec.net From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 30 11:13:42 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id LAA02356; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 11:13:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 11:13:42 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <007501be9315$e02e4e80$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: Subject: Re: Jamman on ebay. Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 09:29:37 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0072_01BE92EB.F7106810" X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"I9xB31.0.Q07.p0SAt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5467 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0072_01BE92EB.F7106810 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Eric, keep me posted on the Kyma system. I REALLY want one but I'm = gonna have to wait. Something about buying a house right now... I'm quite interested in your opinion of the Kyma. It looks like the = ultimate system to me right now. Dennis Leas ----------------------------- dennis@mdbs.com -----Original Message----- From: Eric Williamson To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Thursday, April 29, 1999 4:47 PM Subject: Jamman on ebay. =20 =20 From the guy who brought you ebay's last $700 JamMan, an = announcement of my intent to fund a Kyma system with the funds raised = from $700 JamMen auctions. Selling my Echoplexen got me my Hammond = organ & three Leslies, the Jammen (who are inexplicibly worth more) will = get me my Kyma box. The URL is: =20 http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3D97701200 =20 also, check out my tunes at = http://www.mp3.com/artists/13/the_suit_and_tie_guy_band.html , I used an = Echoplex on the dub tune (#13 on the mp3.com dub reggae chart). =20 Keep Loopin, Eric Williamson aka Suit & Tie Guy --- Peoria's finest ambient bitch --- ------=_NextPart_000_0072_01BE92EB.F7106810 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Eric, keep me posted on the Kyma = system.  I=20 REALLY want one but I'm gonna have to wait.  Something about buying = a house=20 right now...
 
I'm quite interested in your opinion of the = Kyma.  It=20 looks like the ultimate system to me right now.
 
Dennis=20 Leas
-----------------------------
dennis@mdbs.com
-----Original = Message-----
From:=20 Eric Williamson <erwill@flink.com>
To: = Loopers-Delight@annihilist= .com=20 <Loopers-Delight@annihilist= .com>
Date:=20 Thursday, April 29, 1999 4:47 PM
Subject: Jamman on=20 ebay.

From = the guy who=20 brought you ebay's last $700 JamMan, an announcement of my intent to = fund a=20 Kyma system with the funds raised from $700 JamMen auctions.  = Selling=20 my Echoplexen got me my Hammond organ & three Leslies, the = Jammen (who=20 are inexplicibly worth more) will get me my Kyma box.  The URL=20 is:
 
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3D977= 01200
 
also, check out my tunes at = htt= p://www.mp3.com/artists/13/the_suit_and_tie_guy_band.html , I used an Echoplex on the dub tune = (#13 on the=20 mp3.com dub reggae chart).
 
Keep = Loopin,
Eric Williamson = aka Suit & Tie Guy
--- Peoria's finest = ambient bitch=20 ---
------=_NextPart_000_0072_01BE92EB.F7106810-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 30 14:05:44 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id OAA02050; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 14:05:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 14:05:44 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: billfox@lucent.com Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 13:20:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199904301720.NAA17390@badboy.micro.lucent.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: EMUSIC Playlist Resent-Message-ID: <"bccsD3.0.Jd6.BSUAt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5468 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Playlist for "EMUSIC" "Emusic," an electronic, ambient, and space music show, airs each Thursday at 11pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ. http://www.wdiyfm.org/schedule/s_emusic.html Show #112 April 29, 1999. Host: Bill Fox http://www.wdiyfm.org billfox@fast.net On this show, I concluded the month-long focus on British synthesist Paul Nagle, a prominent member of the GoldTri mailing list. The feature CD at midnight "Earthshaper" on AMP Records, the fourth in the Elements four CD series. Paul Nagle : http://www.softroom.freeserve.co.uk EMUSIC Focus : http://www.wdiyfm.org/emusic/playlists/focus.html ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== 11:00 pm Ian Boddy Walking the Slow Path Box of Secrets (DiN) Pyramid Peak Reflections Ocean Drive (Invisible Shadows) Ron Boots Gravity Pull Tainted Bare Skin (Groove) VA [Jan Hanford] Ambien 2 of the 5 Promo Sampler Vol 1 (AD Music) Radio Massacre Int'l Borrowed Atoms Borrowed Atoms (Centaur) Viridian Sun Spinning Timeworks Perihelion (Hypnos) 12:00 am Paul Nagle Blood Stone Earthshaper (AMP) Paul Nagle Herne's Tale Earthshaper (AMP) Paul Nagle Going Grey Earthshaper (AMP) Paul Nagle Retribution Earthshaper (AMP) Paul Nagle Black Flowers Earthshaper (AMP) Paul Nagle Memory of a Day Earthshaper (AMP) Paul Nagle Earthshaper Earthshaper (AMP) Laocoon Submersion * Immersion (Parnassus Nump) 1:00 am * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) On the next EMUSIC, I will begin a month-long focus on the North East Art Rock Festival (NEARfest). Special guest Chad Hutchinson of Ghost Radio will introduce the EMUSIC audience to the music of the bands to be appearing at the first annual NEARfest. Since Art or Progressive Rock and Space Music share a common ancestry, I feel that this is a good time to keep my promise to the Deep Cuts audience. Deep Cuts, hosted by Jim Ferrani, used to air in the time frame now enjoyed by EMUSIC. I promised not to totally abandon them by visiting Art and Progressive Rock on occaision. Please visit the WDIY web site and navigate through the schedule to the EMUSIC pages. Playlists for every show are there. Hot links to artists and labels can be found in the monthly focus section. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 30 18:49:17 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id SAA22035; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 18:49:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 18:49:17 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990430221748.17438.rocketmail@send205.yahoomail.com> Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 15:17:48 -0700 (PDT) From: dan sumner Subject: Re: Midrange Freedom Fighters, lets hear it! To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"tammJ2.0.d44.mlYAt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5469 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Let's hear it. How bout a mp3 --- Steve Savage wrote: > Press Release: > ====================================================== > Midrange Freedom Fighters @ ICE freedom dance > festival > ====================================================== > So who exactly are the Midrange Freedom Fighters? > Part underground > psychedelic trance terrorists, part all-night party > people, but > mostly South Africa's first live psychedelic trance > act. Blending > the mesmerising melodic structures and synthesized > soundscapes of > trance with the hard danceability of techno, and a > little big beat > funkiness thrown in for good measure, the Midrange > Freedom Fighters > are a collective of some of Johannesburg's finest > cutting edge > dance music producers. Fronted primarily by Jeff > Fletcher (aka > Splonge) and Pierre Zeeman (aka paracyc) and > featuring frequent > collaborations with some of the other trancients on > the scene: > Starspine, Zentribe etc. Noms de guerre aside, the > MFF have > considerable combat experience within the South > African dance > music scene with track releases on the early Get The > Funk Out > albums, and dj work starting at the old 4th World > and almost every > trance party that has happened in Johannesburg since > the mighty 303 > first graced our sunny shores. There have also been > several live > appearances including Carfax, Earthdance, Synergy > (New Year in Cape > Town), Rustlers Valley and now the ICE freedom dance > festival. The > culmination of this will be the Millennium party in > Cape Town, > organised by Vortex where the MFF will be playing > alongside some > of the world's best psychedelic trance producers > (Astral Projection, > Etnica, The Green Nuns of the Revolution etc.) > > Internationally, the trance movement has gained > significant momentum > since the early days of beach parties in Goa. There > have been > parties in Israel recently with up 40,000 ravers all > coming together > under the banner of trance.Even hardened house > fanatics are being > subverted to trance with the inclusion on the most > recent Sasha and > Digweed compilation of tracks by legendary trance dj > Tsuyoshi Suzuki > and from the Flying Rhino stable, both well known to > tranceheads > around the world and frequent visitors to these fair > shores. Because > of the incredible energy and spirit displayed by > South African party > people, South Africa (particularly the Vortex > parties in Cape Town) > is regarded by international djs and trance > producers as being one of > the unmissable stops on a circuit of revels that > carries them to all > four corners of the planet. The MFF have kicked it > alongside such > luminaries, entirely holding their own and raising > that spirit and > energy into a frenzy. It is this exuberance which > the MFF are > currently hard at work distilling and shaping in > their underground > sonic laboratories for the release of their debut > album later this > year. > ======================== > > Contact : Jeff Fletcher mailto:jeff@citec.net > > _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Apr 30 19:04:31 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id TAA24899; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 19:04:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 19:04:31 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990430223113.5666.rocketmail@web119.yahoomail.com> Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 15:31:13 -0700 (PDT) From: dan sumner Subject: Re: EDP problem To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"y1WpV1.0.2b4.6zYAt"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5470 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sure, buy a jamman. --- Matthias Grob wrote: > >I have a question. It happened to me twice > already: I was on the stage, > >announced the next composition, and started > playing. My EDP was set: > >feedback half, overdub on, loop about 2sec. The > EDP, however, ignored the > >feedback knob and kept overdubing, like if feedback > was on max. I deleted > >the loop and started again. The same like before, > the EDP ignored the the > >knob. I restarted the Echoplex. And the same over > again. Finally, I > >turned the knob to minimum and recorded a short > loop. Then half feedback > >again, and then it was fine. Since this whole > operation was happening > >right on stage, you can imagine how frustrating it > was. Any advice to > >avoid this problem next time? > > > >I am sorry if anything related to this was > discussed recently here and I > >overlooked it. > > Looks just as if the unit had received a MIDI feed > back command and then > only listened to the front knob again when you moved > it. > > As you discovered, turning the FB knob a little is a > save remedy. > > > _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com