From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Nov 1 20:22:16 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id UAA05625; Sun, 1 Nov 1998 20:22:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Nov 1998 20:22:16 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <363D0533.7726@efn.org> Date: Sun, 01 Nov 1998 17:04:51 -0800 From: Peter Harlan Reply-To: pharlan@efn.org X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Out of the loop Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"X0vfz2.0.Bu.-JGFs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2595 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hey--I want to tell you all it's been fun, and I learned a lot, and this is one of the most interesting lists going, but for now I just can't keep up. I'm incredibly busy with Y2K programming and I don't even have time to play any music. >sob< Take care, Peter From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Nov 2 02:40:58 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id CAA09562; Mon, 2 Nov 1998 02:40:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 02:40:58 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "The Dark Knight" Organization: Wits University Maths Sciences To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 09:28:22 GMT+2 Subject: UnSubscribe Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.31 Message-ID: Resent-Message-ID: <"SC6Wr3.0.k41.vxLFs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2596 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I do not want to be on the mialing list. PLEASE"I think I am." Thabiso Sechaba Sefatsa From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Nov 2 03:54:03 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id DAA05070; Mon, 2 Nov 1998 03:54:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 03:54:03 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Sender: r_t_cummings@csi.com Message-ID: <363C4169.95850B41@csi.com> Date: Sun, 01 Nov 1998 12:09:29 +0100 From: Cummings X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [de] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Percussion, drums anyone? References: <36365F07.DCA6897D@csi.com> <36371DD0.7541@mdbs.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Hj6cz2.0.gk7.E-MFs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2598 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sounds like you are looping acoustically, which is what I do. How do you handle live situations, in particular how do you avoid signals from feeding back into a loop from a monitor? I remember reading a while back that you perform composed pieces. How are you doing that with your EDP? Do you notate various loop actions as well? Oh, and if you have time, tell me more about these: - waterphone - ocean drum - batu-tu - gopiyantra - ting-sha rob Dennis W. Leas wrote: > > Cummings wrote: > > > > How many of you are of the above persuasion? That is, > > drum/percussion/loopism? > > I'm of that persuasion. > > > > > can mention what equipment you're > > using for starters and we'll take it from there. > > Equip: four or five SM-57 mics, Tascam 1024 mixer, two EDPs, one SPX-90, > one Alesis M-EQ 230, pair of Klpsch KP-250s or KP-320s. Sometimes a > gate/compressor/limiter (Alesis or Behringer). > > Instr: marimba, glockenspiel, triangle, cymbal, gongs, singing bowls, > claves, shakers, chimes, birdcalls, udu, didjeridus, waterphone, ocean > drum, batu-tu, gopiyantra, ting-sha, cuica, bells, slit drums, etc. > > Hope to hear back from you, Roberto, and others. > > - Dennis LEas > -- > dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Nov 2 03:56:15 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id DAA05852; Mon, 2 Nov 1998 03:56:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 03:56:15 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Sender: r_t_cummings@csi.com Message-ID: <363C3DF1.60505757@csi.com> Date: Sun, 01 Nov 1998 11:54:41 +0100 From: Cummings X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [de] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Percussion, drums anyone? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"ZBFBx2.0.Qk7.C-MFs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2597 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hey, that sounds intriguing. How does your group go about synchronizing, etc.? Do you loop acoustic or only electronic stuff? Rob Clayton Chipper wrote: > > >How many of you are of the above persuasion? That is, > >drum/percussion/loopism? > > > yeah i play in a group of 3 drummers/perc who use live looping and > samplers..... From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Nov 2 10:59:00 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id KAA22346; Mon, 2 Nov 1998 10:59:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 10:59:00 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <363DD08B.3AB99985@nyfac.com> Date: Mon, 02 Nov 1998 10:32:28 -0500 From: "Trevor D. Bajus, purveyor of the new rock" Reply-To: nyfac2@nyfac.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Subject: Bass loopage Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"5CbkR.0.9Q4.uzSFs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2599 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com How many bass players are there out there kicking out the dope loops, yo? I just started playing bass with this dreampop band called Aerial Love Feed (sounds kind of like Lush covering My Bloody Valentine songs with Will Hegge on bass and Dave Grohl on drums. Anyhow, anyone have any tips on keeping the sound on the loops clear? I would imagine my bass rig would make many cringe- here it is: '69 Fender Musicmaster bass Trainor YB4 bass amp with the hole in the speaker big enough to fit two fingers into a rotating array of pedals including but not limited to MXR microamp Small Stone Phaser Boss PS-3 pitchshifter/delay Big Muff. I'm worried the tone might get a little muddy. Any thoughts? Plus: when looping bass, how do you build your loops? Do you start with a high rhythmic figure, with a shifting bassline underneath? A solid bassline loop and countermelody on top? tdb -- Would you like fries with that? From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Nov 2 12:15:03 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id MAA05440; Mon, 2 Nov 1998 12:15:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 12:15:03 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <363DE26A.1F832D8B@nyfac.com> Date: Mon, 02 Nov 1998 11:48:42 -0500 From: "Trevor D. Bajus, purveyor of the new rock" Reply-To: nyfac2@nyfac.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: polvo list , "palace list (newer)" , slint list , "Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" , "mkultra@kuci.org" Subject: For those in the NYC area... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"UDygg3.0.vV.S5UFs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2600 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com and have been eagerly following the rollercoaster ride of my musical career (which is undoubtedly all of you), I am playing with a new band called Aerial Love Feed. Our next show is Friday 13th of novemeber at the Continental. I think it sounds sort of like Lush covering My Bloody Valentine songs, and the comparisons to Slowdive abound. tdb1 -- Would you like fries with that? From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Nov 2 14:16:30 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id OAA19338; Mon, 2 Nov 1998 14:16:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 14:16:30 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <363DFDC5.4E79@mdbs.com> Date: Mon, 02 Nov 1998 13:45:25 -0500 From: "Dennis W. Leas" X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win95; U) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Percussion, drums anyone? References: <36365F07.DCA6897D@csi.com> <36371DD0.7541@mdbs.com> <363C4169.95850B41@csi.com> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------467E6ADD66CA" Resent-Message-ID: <"eFptN.0.Eb3.4qVFs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2601 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------467E6ADD66CA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cummings wrote: > > Sounds like you are looping acoustically, which is what I do. How do you > handle live situations, in particular how do you avoid signals from > feeding back into a loop from a monitor? Yeah, this is a real problem. Currently, I try close micing with cardiod mics. I place my house speakers so that they don't "see" the stage mics. I use a small mic stand mounted monitor and keep the sound level down as low as possible. I play places that aren't very noisy so the PA isn't very loud. While all this helps, I still get sound degredation as I overdub loops. I'm trying other things: I've tried using a single wireless mic that I wear. I've tried noise-gates on my mics. For any given song, I can adjust the gate threshold for proper operation; however, the next song needs different settings. Consequently, I don't use noise-gates in performance. I've thought about building an elaborate system that would "intelligently" listen to the background level and automatically adjust the noise-gate thresholds. I tried adding switches to the mics (using that Switchcraft XLR connector with the in-line switch) and it's just another action that gets in the way of making music. For some compositions I pad down (on the mixer) the mics I'm not using. That is, as I construct loops, I unpad the particular mic I'm going to use next. I'm not satified with any of my solutions. What do you do? Any suggestions? > I remember reading a while back that you perform composed pieces. How > are you doing that with your EDP? Do you notate various loop actions as > well? My notations are mostly to help remind me of what to do. I don't (usually) "read" them when I play. While I seem to remember the short phrases that I play, I'm apt to forget the sequence of looper "keystrokes". So my notes don't include the "music", only the looper actions. I tried including the music early on and found it unnecessary and confusing. I call my notes a "song schema". For a given song schema, I have three sections. The first section lists the instruments used on the piece. Before starting the piece, I can gather the instruments in convenient locations. The second section lists the equipment set-up - EDP beats per 1/8, SPX-90 program settings, mixer channel panning, etc. The third section lists the sequence of looper actions. I've attached a Word document with an example of a traditional tune done "looper fashion". Hope you can read it OK. > Oh, and if you have time, tell me more about these: > - waterphone > - ocean drum > - batu-tu > - gopiyantra > - ting-sha I've been meaning to put together a web page with instrument descriptions. For now, here's what I have. The waterphone is the spookiest sounding instrument I have. See http://spacebeat.com/waterphone/ The ocean drum is made by Remo. It's a double-headed frame drum which contains small ball-bearings. When you hold the drum horizontal and tilt it from side to side, the ball-bearings roll across the bottom head and produce a "surf-like" sound. It's very peaceful. The Batu-tu from New Guinea is made from a length of bamboo with one end cut into two prongs or tines like a tuning fork. The other end, serving as the handle, is split from the tines part of the way towards the end. Striking the tines causes the split in the handle to buzz gently. The Batu-tu is also known as the Tugangay or "devil chaser" in the Philippines. I bought mine from Lark in the Morning. See http://www.larkinam.com/ The gopiyantra, a single stringed instrument from eastern India, is constructed from a short length of bamboo and a small single-headed drum. The bamboo, divided into a yoke, forms the neck of the instrument. The drum is fastened between the arms of the yoke with the open end pointing towards the top of the yoke. One end of the string is attached to the top of the yoke, where the arms join together; extends between the arms of the yoke into the open end of the drum; and attaches to the center of the head inside the drum. By squeezing the bamboo neck while plucking or striking the string, the string tension is varied hence changing the pitch of the instrument. According to Hindu tradition, the Gopiyantra was played by the milk-maid consorts of Krishna. Mine is a gift from a friend but Lark in the Morning also has them (called Gopi Chand in their catalog). Ting-sha chimes from Tibet looks like two very small, very thick cymbals. It produces quite a dissonant, penetrating sound intended to immediately focus your attention to the present and is used by Buddhist monks in meditation practices. Lark in the Morning also carries these, although I got mine elsewhere. 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Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 189 Resent-Message-ID: <"YQ60F2.0.ZA5.QXWFs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2602 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 11/2/98 11:15:56 AM, nyfac2@nyfac.com writes: >and have been eagerly following the rollercoaster ride of my musical >career (which is undoubtedly all of you), I am playing with a new band >called Aerial Love Feed. Our next show is Friday 13th of novemeber at >the Continental. > >I think it sounds sort of like Lush covering My Bloody Valentine songs, >and the comparisons to Slowdive abound. Who cares what you sound like? I would go see you for your band name alone!!!!!!! Marshall From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Nov 2 15:06:06 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id PAA25326; Mon, 2 Nov 1998 15:06:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 15:06:06 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 11:48:17 -0800 Message-ID: <00147849.C21407@wj.com> From: Mike.Biffle@wj.com (Mike Biffle) Subject: Re[2]: Percussion, drums anyone? To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, "Dennis W. Leas" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Resent-Message-ID: <"DcMZn2.0.Wf5.TqWFs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2603 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >> Sounds like you are looping acoustically, which is what I do. How do you >> handle live situations, in particular how do you avoid signals from >> feeding back into a loop from a monitor? >I'm trying other things: I've tried using a single wireless mic that I wear. >I've tried noise-gates on my mics. For any given song, I can adjust the gate >threshold for proper operation; however, the next song needs different >settings. Consequently, I don't use noise-gates in performance. I've thought >about building an elaborate system that would "intelligently" listen to the >background level and automatically adjust the noise-gate thresholds. I tried >adding switches to the mics (using that Switchcraft XLR connector with the >in-line switch) and it's just another action that gets in the way of making >music. For some compositions I pad down (on the mixer) the mics I'm not using. >That is, as I construct loops, I unpad the particular mic I'm going to use >next. >I'm not satified with any of my solutions. What do you do? Any suggestions? For acoustic applications, In-Ear-Monitor systems like the ones available from Garwood, using earmolds, eliminate any form of ambient monitoring on stage, eliminating feedback problems. It's also a way to get a great stereo mix that you can truly enjoy, which enhances your performance. Electric types often like to leave one earphone out to listen to the ambient mix and also like to hear some real cabinets for more thump... Experiment and see what works for you. Guitarists might find it hard to give up a frothing 4 x 12 cabinet kicking them in the ass! I've only dabbled with the concept and don't have the cash ~500 - 1000 depending on what level of integration (wireless vs. hard wired; generic earmolds vs. audiologist custom molds etc.) I've seen them in use by many top pros and know a few people who use them personally... They say it's changed their life musically. (for the better... 8->) Garwood is at http://www.garwood-radio.com/home.shtml HEARNET is at http://www.hearnet.com/ HEARNET monitor resources is at http://www.hearnet.com/text/inear_monitor.html Maybe you'll find something in your price range... I'm convinced it's the way to go... Now to find the cash! best, -Miko From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Nov 2 16:35:01 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id QAA03415; Mon, 2 Nov 1998 16:35:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 16:35:01 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <363E102E.EBA1D2AD@nyfac.com> Date: Mon, 02 Nov 1998 15:03:58 -0500 From: "Trevor D. Bajus, purveyor of the new rock" Reply-To: nyfac2@nyfac.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: For those in the NYC area... References: <5780db45.363e07cb@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Tsbl51.0.K3.qxXFs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2604 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Marzzz@aol.com wrote: > Who cares what you sound like? I would go see you for your band name > alone!!!!!!! > > Marshall I think I am the only one who isn't knocked out by the name. I think I have been poisong be the existence of a Philly coverband called Love Seed Momma Jump, or something close thereto. Please do come to the show. As always, the first five LD people I see get a free cheap beer of my choosing! tdb -- Would you like fries with that? From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Nov 2 17:09:03 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id RAA07394; Mon, 2 Nov 1998 17:09:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 17:09:03 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <363E28C1.684292B4@texas.net> Date: Mon, 02 Nov 1998 15:48:53 -0600 From: Bobdog Catlin Reply-To: psbuddha@texas.net Organization: Pseudo Buddha/Doghouse Ent. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Monitoring on stage, per Miko B. References: <00147849.C21407@wj.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"J_n8G3.0.1J1.0bYFs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2605 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mike Biffle wrote: > Guitarists might find it hard to give up a frothing 4 x 12 > cabinet kicking them in the ass! > Hey Miko, i'm one of those guitarists. my group (blatant name drop: we're called Pseudo Buddha) is trying to run all 8-10 mics/lines direct to the board. i'm having a problem finding the right tone for the gtr. i run all of my fx thru the effect loops on my preamp. 1) i've tried using the xlr out on the preamp itself; this is not usable at all. tinny & gross, 2) i've tried using the 1/4" preamp out thru an ADA microcab; it seems that the last preamp stage is VERY noisy, 3) right now, i'm using the output from the final effect in my chain & sending that to the input of the microcab; this is nice & quiet, i get enough signal into the board, but my top end is kinda thin, 4) i'm gonna order a cabtone this week to do an A/B test vs the microcab. i'm open to any & all suggestions! bobdog From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Nov 2 17:44:30 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id RAA15220; Mon, 2 Nov 1998 17:44:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 17:44:30 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 14:10:42 -0800 Message-ID: <00147B02.C21407@wj.com> From: Mike.Biffle@wj.com (Mike Biffle) Subject: Re: Monitors and in-ear systems (was: PErcussion, drums...) To: "Dennis W. Leas" , loopers-delight@annihilist.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Resent-Message-ID: <"Fng4K1.0.if2.8-YFs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2606 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mike Biffle wrote: >> For acoustic applications, In-Ear-Monitor systems like the ones available >>from Garwood, using earmolds, eliminate any form of ambient monitoring on >>stage, eliminating feedback problems. It's also a way to get a great stereo >>mix that you can truly enjoy, which enhances your performance. >Thanks for the suggestion, Mike! I saw these in a catalog and have been >curious ever since. Sounds like they're highly recommended. >As a related topic, I've considered patching my board into a low-wattage FM >stereo transmitter. The audience would listen exclusively on Sony Walkman type >of personal receivers. Could be alot of fun! Has anybody tried this? >- Dennis Leas There's a transmitter which keeps getting mentioned which I of course always forget... But people talk of using Sony earbuds and this transmitter for a low budget system. Audience participation could be cool. With a system like this maybe you could use the earbuds for mid and high content and hit 'em in the gut with a subwoofer... -m From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Nov 2 18:08:24 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id SAA18480; Mon, 2 Nov 1998 18:08:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 18:08:24 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 14:44:58 -0800 Message-ID: <00147B92.C21407@wj.com> From: Mike.Biffle@wj.com (Mike Biffle) Subject: Re: Monitoring on stage, per Miko B. To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, Bobdog Catlin Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Resent-Message-ID: <"39c0R1.0.O34.HVZFs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2607 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Bobdog wrote.... > (we're...) is trying to run all 8-10 mics/lines direct to the board. I'm > having a problem finding the right tone for the gtr. i run all of my fx thru > the effect loops on my preamp. > 2) i've tried using the 1/4" preamp out thru an ADA microcab; it seems that > the last preamp stage is VERY noisy, > 3) right now, i'm using the output from the final effect in my chain & > sending that to the input of the microcab; this is nice & quiet, i get enough > signal into the board, but my top end is kinda thin, > 4) i'm gonna order a cabtone this week to do an A/B test vs the microcab. > i'm open to any & all suggestions! Hey Mister Pseudo-Buddha man... I've been using HK Redboxes for years and the new Red Box Pro looks like the new-improved-gotta-buy-it version... no battery!? ground lift and cab sim bypass so you can just use it like an ordinary full range direct box... I've always been really pleased with them. The batteries lasted forever in the old ones... I mostly used them with a Pearce G2r amp and before that Marshalls... The Pearce G2r has the bottom booty and high end, if you're willing to tweak. I now use the cabinet sims in my Boss GX-700 which are identical (I belive) in that dept. to the Roland GP-100... They sound good, but I'm going to do some A/B-ing with the HK's... I have a friend who swears by his Cabtone, but I don't personally have any experience with it. He's a very dark sounding player though and they don't thin *his* sound... BTW: I saw Fripp last night with P4 and he did some of the fattest, greasiest sounding solos I've ever heard him do... If that's strictly a GP-100 tone and cab sim, I'd better get home and start tweaking! It was great... The sound system was very 3D and some of Fripps stacked chordal pads moved around like clouds in a windy sky... Sometimes it even sounded like they were behind me!? Each player was very audible and distinct. Best mix I've heard in a long time... (7th Note club in SF). OB Loop item... The dueling Vortexes are now coming into their own with the JamMan feeding one and the Stereo Guitar signal feeding the other! I'm convinced that it's the most radical-as-well-as-subtle Chorus, flange, panner, phaser, delay going... Morph from a subtle flutter or delay in the background right into madness or anywhere in between! best, -m From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Nov 2 19:59:23 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id TAA04619; Mon, 2 Nov 1998 19:59:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 19:59:23 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Marzzz@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 19:30:40 EST To: psbuddha@texas.net, Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Monitoring on stage, per Miko B. Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 189 Resent-Message-ID: <"otBtj3.0.JI.u1bFs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2608 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 11/2/98 4:08:24 PM, psbuddha@texas.net writes: >blatant name drop: we're called >Pseudo Buddha jeez, another great band name!!!!! I am impressed with you people..... Marshall From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Nov 2 20:46:00 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id UAA09237; Mon, 2 Nov 1998 20:46:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 20:46:00 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <363E5B16.73125E97@latrobe.edu.au> Date: Tue, 03 Nov 1998 12:23:33 +1100 From: Brad Knox Reply-To: B.Knox@latrobe.edu.au X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: band names (was Re:Monitoring on stage) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"2z7GT.0.sq1.znbFs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2609 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Marzzz@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 11/2/98 4:08:24 PM, psbuddha@texas.net writes: > > >blatant name drop: we're called > >Pseudo Buddha > > jeez, another great band name!!!!! I am impressed with you people..... > > Marshall all that will change if i mention the name a new melbourne-based free-improv/noise band -- we're called "fartscape".... brad From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Nov 2 23:17:28 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id XAA29846; Mon, 2 Nov 1998 23:17:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 23:17:28 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 22:05:41 -0600 (CST) From: "Hagen Kirk \"Ratfink\"" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Vortex pedals/footswitches (opinions please) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"iPkOW.0.m37.65eFs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2610 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I just got a Vortex but it didn't have an expression pedal or footswitches. Does anyone have reccomendations on what brand models to get for an expression pedal and for teh dual footswitches Hagen Ratfink ISCA BBS:Slappy Squirrel ICQ:9914031 IM:ORBLFC From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Nov 2 23:17:25 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id XAA29842; Mon, 2 Nov 1998 23:17:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 23:17:25 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199811030408.XAA15811@shell.monmouth.com> Reply-To: From: "andre" To: Subject: NEW Torn/Reid/Sharp Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 23:09:07 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"mVbAi1.0.287.K8eFs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2611 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com BTW "You gotta REID..and if it's SHARP...you'll get TORN..!!!!" really enjoying the new GTR OBLQ featuring Vernon Reid, David Torn, Elliott Sharp... it really grows on ya, too. Lotsa dense stuff to slowly get used to.. cool fractal beats by E#... clouds of analog/digital loop insanity by DT & Vern.... This is gonna be a classic!!! thanks guys andre' From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 3 07:25:13 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id HAA17903; Tue, 3 Nov 1998 07:25:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 07:25:13 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199811031203.HAA22313@ulster.net> Subject: Re: Percussion, drums anyone? Date: Tue, 3 Nov 98 07:01:15 -0500 x-sender: evening@pop.ulster.net x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: evening To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <"rcjN1.0.NI2.i3lFs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2612 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >> yeah i play in a group of 3 drummers/perc who use live looping and >> samplers..... Let us know about gigs/ and recordings - sounds like fun! ps - anyone on this list live in the Mid-Hudson Valley/Poughkeepsie NY area? I'm an electro /acoustic percussionist - lets get together and loopgroove... then we can go over to David Torns' house and do prostrations on his lawn....maybe he'll let us rake his leaves. :-) jmw From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 3 09:14:15 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id JAA11992; Tue, 3 Nov 1998 09:14:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 09:14:15 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Tue, 03 Nov 1998 05:57:23 -0700 From: "Duncan Henderson" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Cc: X-Sent-Mail: off Reply-To: X-Mailer: MailCity Service Subject: Re: UnSubscribe X-Sender-Ip: 194.192.100.94 Organization: IGNMail (http://www.ignmail.com:80) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"YXuuc1.0.Nd2.OmmFs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2613 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com -- On Mon, 2 Nov 1998 09:28:22 The Dark Knight wrote: >I do not want to be on the mialing list. >PLEASE"I think I am." >Thabiso Sechaba Sefatsa > > IGNMail, the coolest free e-mail on the planet, tells people that you are a hardcore gamer. Get your free account at http://www.ignmail.com today! From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 3 10:37:06 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id KAA19770; Tue, 3 Nov 1998 10:37:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 10:37:06 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: dmgraph@mail.earthlink.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <0014437E.C21407@wj.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 10:17:08 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: David Myers Subject: band names Resent-Message-ID: <"E5Dts2.0.NN4.HwnFs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2614 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Some of my favorite band names (though I've never heard their music): Freaky Chakra The Space Negroes Shirley Temple of Doom (and of course) JFK's LSD UFO Sorry to be so off-topic. Couldn't help myself.... From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 3 11:52:12 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id LAA27951; Tue, 3 Nov 1998 11:52:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 11:52:12 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: M3chakucha@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 11:28:51 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: band names Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) sub 7 Resent-Message-ID: <"tRtW3.0.iB6.f-oFs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2615 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Been a fan of good old Tangerine Dream, Ozric Tentacles, Gong, and Eat Static for some time, now! =) Lee-ohki. Vi Viri Venivirsium Vivius Vicci From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 3 13:05:30 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id NAA04972; Tue, 3 Nov 1998 13:05:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 13:05:30 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 12:53:53 -0500 (EST) From: Nick Ring X-Sender: nick@plato To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: band names In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"S368V2.0.zm.PEqFs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2616 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I don't really mean to prolong this thread, but one of my favorite band names is: When People Were Shorter and Lived Near the Water -nick On Tue, 3 Nov 1998, David Myers wrote: > Some of my favorite band names (though I've never heard their music): > > Freaky Chakra > The Space Negroes > Shirley Temple of Doom > (and of course) JFK's LSD UFO > > Sorry to be so off-topic. Couldn't help myself.... > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 3 15:32:18 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id PAA23648; Tue, 3 Nov 1998 15:32:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 15:32:18 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 11:08:09 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: band names Resent-Message-ID: <"3yk0T.0.L95.mBsFs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2617 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I always felt the best band name would be: "Free Beer Night!" You'd always have a big crowd..... kim > I don't really mean to prolong this thread, but one of my favorite >band names is: > > When People Were Shorter and Lived Near the Water > > -nick > >On Tue, 3 Nov 1998, David Myers wrote: > >> Some of my favorite band names (though I've never heard their music): >> >> Freaky Chakra >> The Space Negroes >> Shirley Temple of Doom >> (and of course) JFK's LSD UFO >> >> Sorry to be so off-topic. Couldn't help myself.... >> >> >> >> >> ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 3 15:58:53 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id PAA28768; Tue, 3 Nov 1998 15:58:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 15:58:53 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: cbm@mail.well.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 12:34:51 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Chris Muir Subject: Re: band names Resent-Message-ID: <"FWfFW.0.EX6.XhsFs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2618 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 11:08 AM -0800 11/3/98, Kim Flint wrote: >I always felt the best band name would be: > >"Free Beer Night!" > >You'd always have a big crowd..... And surly, too. Chris _____________________________________________________ Chris Muir | The Web Comes Alive With Music: cbm@headspace.com | http://www.headspace.com/beatnik From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 3 16:33:12 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id QAA06291; Tue, 3 Nov 1998 16:33:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 16:33:12 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Paul.C.Wright@ercgroup.com Message-ID: To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: band names Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 12:13:45 -0600 Importance: high X-Priority: 1 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"tbDub.0.Er7.79tFs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2620 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Oh, what the hell... Here are some prospective band names that I'm keeping in storage, just in case... Cat Sandwich (or Cat Sammitch); Two-Pronged Thingie (of course there's a story behind this one); Flaming Squirrel (lifted from one of my favorite comic strips - Robotman);and Pork Chop Suit Coat. Sorry... > ---------- > From: Nick Ring[SMTP:nick@simons-rock.edu] > Reply To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 1998 11:53 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Subject: Re: band names > > > I don't really mean to prolong this thread, but one of my favorite > band names is: > > When People Were Shorter and Lived Near the Water > > -nick > > On Tue, 3 Nov 1998, David Myers wrote: > > > Some of my favorite band names (though I've never heard their music): > > > > Freaky Chakra > > The Space Negroes > > Shirley Temple of Doom > > (and of course) JFK's LSD UFO > > > > Sorry to be so off-topic. Couldn't help myself.... > > > > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 3 16:33:37 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id QAA06354; Tue, 3 Nov 1998 16:33:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 16:33:37 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 13:13:38 -0800 Message-ID: <00148A21.C21407@wj.com> From: Mike.Biffle@wj.com (Mike Biffle) Subject: Re[2]: band names To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, Chris Muir Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Resent-Message-ID: <"OB8er.0.b1.lBtFs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2621 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >>At 11:08 AM -0800 11/3/98, Kim Flint wrote: >>I always felt the best band name would be: >>"Free Beer Night!" >>You'd always have a big crowd..... >Chris Muir wrote: >And surly, too. Then there's always... "Public Notice" "Your Name Here" (an old band of Chris') "My Mistake" (an old band of mine) "Special Guest" "Ficticious Name" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Miko Biffle "And I am running scared... mike.biffle@wj.com from all the usual distractions!" From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 3 17:01:02 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id RAA10542; Tue, 3 Nov 1998 17:01:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 17:01:02 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: cbm@mail.well.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <00148A21.C21407@wj.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 13:43:40 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Chris Muir Subject: Re[2]: band names Resent-Message-ID: <"BLCTa2.0.ut1._atFs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2622 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 1:13 PM -0800 11/3/98, Mike Biffle wrote: >>>At 11:08 AM -0800 11/3/98, Kim Flint wrote: >>>I always felt the best band name would be: >>>"Free Beer Night!" >>>You'd always have a big crowd..... > >>Chris Muir wrote: >>And surly, too. > >Then there's always... > >"Public Notice" >"Your Name Here" (an old band of Chris') >"My Mistake" (an old band of mine) >"Special Guest" >"Ficticious Name" As long as this is still going, and with Kim's apparent blessing, too, here's a name that Henry Kaiser and I lifted from Miko: "Zen Disaster" Chris _____________________________________________________ Chris Muir | The Web Comes Alive With Music: cbm@headspace.com | http://www.headspace.com/beatnik From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 3 17:09:50 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id RAA11653; Tue, 3 Nov 1998 17:09:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 17:09:50 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Reply-To: From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: Subject: RE: band names Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 13:43:38 -0800 Message-ID: <000501be0773$08a64360$9b32dacf@stepheng> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <"55Z1T.0.ev1.rbtFs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2623 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com There used to be a band that played fraternity parties and such in the Charlotte, NC area, called "Doug Clark and His Hot Nuts". It was an Otis Day & the Knights kind of band, very tight. Where, you might ask, did the Hot Nuts come in? After the first break, which was usually after 10pm, they'd all come out with only furry jock straps on, and finish the show. :) Stephen Goodman  -  It's... The Loop Of The Week! EarthLight Studios  -  http://www.earthlight.net/Studios PS - Sherman Block is unqualified for the LOTW because of his political life, to say nothing of having been in charge of the only other police force than the old LA Metropolitan Police, and of course Chicago's, to have such an awful reputation for beating people for non-legal purposes. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 3 17:15:14 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id RAA12418; Tue, 3 Nov 1998 17:15:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 17:15:14 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 15:58:57 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199811032058.PAA02897@user1.channel1.com> X-Sender: seahorse@user1.channel1.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Frank Gerace Subject: Re: band names Resent-Message-ID: <"05QLA2.0.637.8xsFs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2619 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I was once in a band called "Zoo Types" We did a gig at a club that featured mud wrestling women in between sets by the band. They had a marquee out front like the old Holiday Inn signs which read Female Mud Wrestling Zoo Types While not exactly a band name, and prbably even more off topic than that, I couldn't resist, after the Free Beer line. Frank Gerace Dreamchild At 12:34 PM 11/3/98 -0800, you wrote: >At 11:08 AM -0800 11/3/98, Kim Flint wrote: >>I always felt the best band name would be: >> >>"Free Beer Night!" >> >>You'd always have a big crowd..... > >And surly, too. > > >Chris > > >_____________________________________________________ >Chris Muir | The Web Comes Alive With Music: >cbm@headspace.com | http://www.headspace.com/beatnik > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 3 17:34:26 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id RAA14853; Tue, 3 Nov 1998 17:34:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 17:34:26 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 14:14:34 -0800 Message-ID: <00148B24.C21407@wj.com> From: Mike.Biffle@wj.com (Mike Biffle) Subject: Re[3]: band names To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, Chris Muir Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Resent-Message-ID: <"xEO1e.0.p53.24uFs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2624 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >As long as this is still going, and with Kim's apparent blessing, too, >here's a name that Henry Kaiser and I lifted from Miko: > "Zen Disaster" >Chris Well... Since we're heading into personal band name territory, there's still the gasping-but-not-dead ensembles of... "Track C" "Claypot" "The Lunar Asylum" "Methlab 2K" (aka the name of my next house party gig...) "Fusebox" (just toying with this one..." -m From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 3 17:39:06 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id RAA15397; Tue, 3 Nov 1998 17:39:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 17:39:06 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <2148EC143F29D1118BE000805FC13CD06E9863@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: band names Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 14:52:49 -0600 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Resent-Message-ID: <"Fis0k3.0.-73.b4uFs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2625 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com the one i always wanted to use: madonna secret club date > -----Original Message----- > From: Kim Flint [SMTP:kflint@annihilist.com] > Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 1998 11:08 > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Subject: Re: band names > > I always felt the best band name would be: > > "Free Beer Night!" > > You'd always have a big crowd..... > > kim > > > > I don't really mean to prolong this thread, but one of my favorite > >band names is: > > > > When People Were Shorter and Lived Near the Water > > > > -nick > > > >On Tue, 3 Nov 1998, David Myers wrote: > > > >> Some of my favorite band names (though I've never heard their music): > >> > >> Freaky Chakra > >> The Space Negroes > >> Shirley Temple of Doom > >> (and of course) JFK's LSD UFO > >> > >> Sorry to be so off-topic. Couldn't help myself.... > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html > http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 3 18:08:21 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id SAA20901; Tue, 3 Nov 1998 18:08:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 18:08:21 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 14:42:53 -0800 Message-ID: <00148B95.C21407@wj.com> From: Mike.Biffle@wj.com (Mike Biffle) Subject: Re[2]: band names To: , "Stephen P. Goodman" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Resent-Message-ID: <"CD9y71.0.o34.6WuFs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2627 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Stephen P. Goodman wrote: >There used to be a band that played fraternity parties and such in the >Charlotte, NC area, called "Doug Clark and His Hot Nuts". It was an Otis >Day & the Knights kind of band, very tight. OK... we're going to go waaayyyy back to high school. I was fortunate to hang out with a revolving cast of musicians all involved in a basement jam scene. Whoever could book a gig would grab some of us and call it a band... There was one name which was particularly funny but didn't really please many people in our school district so we could only use it at the local YMCA... "Pud and the Four Skins" -m From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 3 17:59:42 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id RAA18919; Tue, 3 Nov 1998 17:59:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 17:59:42 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <363F7E1C.33C7@voicenet.com> Date: Tue, 03 Nov 1998 17:05:16 -0500 From: Legion X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.02 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: band names] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"P4Ic21.0.mw3.ESuFs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2626 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I don't know if it's clever or embarrassing but I've frequently started bands simply with a name alone. Most have lasted a few years and a couple albums. They all involve some form of looping as well! Current bands on my label: Sweeping the Noise Floor - A sentence mentioned by a friend once. Altruistic Suicide - I'm a sociologist so this is an old textbook term. Overdrive Date Master (named for the centerfold in a trucker's magazine found at a flea market) Music For Isolation Tanks - Just sounded/felt good back in 1991. Now it's my major project. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- HELP WANTED PRODUCTIONS - Http://www.voicenet.com/~legion "Bringing you the best in Organic Electronic music since we started..." Home of the Unusual Instrument and Recording Gallery with pictures and info of Tube recorders, Omnichords, weird guitars, Casios, and more. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 3 18:27:38 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id SAA23578; Tue, 3 Nov 1998 18:27:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 18:27:38 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 18:02:02 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Vortex pedals/footswitches (opinions please) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 171 Resent-Message-ID: <"JBMYr1.0.Vv4.skuFs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2628 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I use a 'bespeco' VM 18-L expression ped. The footswitches need to be non-latching, you might want to wire 2 single peds to one stereo jack. Almost anything will be better than the f/s form lexicon, which wasn't very good. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 3 18:29:12 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id SAA24068; Tue, 3 Nov 1998 18:29:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 18:29:12 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Paolo Valladolid Message-Id: <199811032305.PAA25563@waynesworld.ucsd.edu> Subject: Re: band names To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 15:05:53 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <199811032058.PAA02897@user1.channel1.com> from "Frank Gerace" at Nov 3, 98 03:58:57 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"fSn8a.0.o35.5ouFs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2629 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I once jammed with a bass player who was in a band called "Carcass By The Sea". Paolo Valladolid --------------------------------------------------------------- |Moderator of Digital Guitar Digest, an Internet mailing list |\ |for Music Technology and Stringed Instruments | \ ---------------------------------------------------------------- | \ To subscribe, go to the web page below: \ | \ http://waynesworld.ucsd.edu/DigitalGuitar/subscribe.html \| ----------------------------------------------------------------- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 3 18:34:15 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id SAA24771; Tue, 3 Nov 1998 18:34:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 18:34:15 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: KRosser414@aol.com Message-ID: <27473d81.363f8e76@aol.com> Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 18:15:02 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re:The Story of our Age/Percussion/Jamman Midi Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 18 Resent-Message-ID: <"YSQsQ3.0.GO5.3xuFs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2630 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sorry for the mix of several different subjects at once ... The "Story of our Age" - our age has as many stories as there are people telling them. I think any attempt to objectively generalize about society at large falls short and paradoxically succeeds in saying a lot specifically about one person (...the one doing the generalizing that is). Just $.02 from my corner of the universe... Speaking of looped/processed percussion, I've been listening to the new Soul Coughing, "El Oso", lately and there seems to be quite a bit of this happening on there. Anyone know exactly what's being done on some of this? Some sounds suspiciously like drum machines through a fuzzbox (which is a cool enough sound), but there's quite a lot of interesting textural/rhythmic stuff on this that I can't quite place, at least to my ears. JamMan owners, a question: I'm using a Ground Control Midi controller with it which works fine, but it seems a lot to lug around and take up a lot of floor space when I'm only using it to access a couple functions. Any one experiment with using one of those double footswitch Digitech PDS 3500's programmed to control the loop fade functions, for instance (the only functions I really regret they didn't stick on the front panel)? If it works, I see these thing used for quite cheap ($35-$50) fairly often and it would sure be easy to just stick that on the floor next to the Tap/Bypass footswitch Lexicon provides for most of what I need. Being the Midiot that I am, I'm wondering if some other curious soul out there has tried it and could help point the way... Finally, I'm going to be up in Oakland Friday Nov. 13 doing some looping/free improv on guitar & pipa with tuba player Tom Heasley. Tom & I also just recorded a CD with Don Preston (piano & electronics) & Bobby Bradford (cornet) that has some pretty heavy looping content on my part that Tom is negotiating release on as we speak. Anyone interested in more details about the show or the CD when available please contact me offlist (krosser414@aol.com) Thanks, Ken From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 3 18:54:36 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id SAA28763; Tue, 3 Nov 1998 18:54:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 18:54:36 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19981103183239.0075eec8@postoffice.mail.cornell.edu> X-Sender: km15@postoffice.mail.cornell.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) -- [Cornell Modified] Date: Tue, 03 Nov 1998 18:32:39 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: kevin miller Subject: RE: band names In-Reply-To: <2148EC143F29D1118BE000805FC13CD06E9863@migarexch01.maritz. com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"MDUEt2.0.B06.p9vFs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2631 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >the one i always wanted to use: > >madonna secret club date My cousin Jeff would find that appropriate, considering he was her secret club date once when he lived in Detroit and she was still using her last name. He is one of the top drummers in the Portland OR area- some of you may even know him (last name Cumpston) if you live in those parts. These band names are up for grabs: The Demo Kings Poit Ba-Doom Num Lock (can't imagine where I dreamed that one up) Kevin > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Kim Flint [SMTP:kflint@annihilist.com] >> Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 1998 11:08 >> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >> Subject: Re: band names >> >> I always felt the best band name would be: >> >> "Free Beer Night!" >> >> You'd always have a big crowd..... >> >> kim >> >> >> > I don't really mean to prolong this thread, but one of my favorite >> >band names is: >> > >> > When People Were Shorter and Lived Near the Water >> > >> > -nick >> > >> >On Tue, 3 Nov 1998, David Myers wrote: >> > >> >> Some of my favorite band names (though I've never heard their music): >> >> >> >> Freaky Chakra >> >> The Space Negroes >> >> Shirley Temple of Doom >> >> (and of course) JFK's LSD UFO >> >> >> >> Sorry to be so off-topic. Couldn't help myself.... >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ______________________________________________________________________ >> Kim Flint | Looper's Delight >> kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html >> http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 3 19:03:34 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id TAA29908; Tue, 3 Nov 1998 19:03:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 19:03:34 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Designify@aol.com Message-ID: <3875eea8.363f95e6@aol.com> Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 18:46:46 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: unique klein electic for sale Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 84 Resent-Message-ID: <"VKsMD.0.id6.uOvFs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2633 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com help! i've fallen off the list and can't get back on. AND i'm in a cash crunch and willing to sell my "stealth klein" klein electric #111 - black - basswood body - emg pickups - FRETLESS* - s-trem this guitar is SLEEK. this guitar is UNIQUE. this guitar is BLACK. $2,500- obo *a steinberger (slotted in case you change your mind) neck purchased for alan holdsworth but never put together for him - apparently he likes to install his own frets. if you have the time or money, i'd suggest low wooden frets for a rare "tastes-like-fretless-but-it's-not" sound. mike@lightlyexpressed.com or designify@aol.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 3 19:07:59 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id TAA30640; Tue, 3 Nov 1998 19:07:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 19:07:59 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 18:07:27 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: patrick@his.com (Patrick Smith) Subject: RE: band names Resent-Message-ID: <"cMu362.0.NH6.BIvFs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2632 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I tried to send this and it did not come through so I hope LD is not beginning to have problems.....but my personal fav was a DC local band which had some success: Sorry About Your Daughter Now that's good old rock & roll spirit. Patrick Now Available: FingerPaint Primary Colors: BLUE "can be edgy and intense as well as relaxing...." FAQT Shockwave audio featuring our newest release Primary Colors:Blue www.fingerpaint.net From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 3 21:29:50 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id VAA20986; Tue, 3 Nov 1998 21:29:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 21:29:50 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: KILLINFO@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 21:15:17 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: RE: band names Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 59 Resent-Message-ID: <"ey-J03.0.Ao4.rZxFs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2634 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com O Gosh, I hate coming up with band names almost as much as I hate replying to the question, =93What kind of music do YOU play?=94 Even when I try my best to= answer that one as simply and succinctly as possible people always think you're b= eing a smartass. So...some of the band names I've used (or been in or associated with) over= the years are: April Fools Brain Trust Ophelia Pancake Sons of Ophelia Pancake And a good friend of mine has a band called: Maha Cuisinart From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 3 21:47:04 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id VAA23011; Tue, 3 Nov 1998 21:47:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 21:47:04 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 21:02:50 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: patrick@his.com (Patrick Smith) Subject: FingerPaint & Dark Aether Project Resent-Message-ID: <"p8yYO3.0.yH5.VsxFs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2635 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Delayed Productions & Joe's Movement Emporium Presents: FingerPaint and the Dark Aether Project Mt. Rainier MD- Joe's Movement Emporium will be hosting an exciting evening of original music. Two of Maryland's premier groups will be pushing the envelope in their respective genres. The performance will take place at Joe's Movement Emporium, 3802 34th St., Mt. Rainier, MD 20712, on Saturday November 14th at 8pm. Admission is $10. For more information 301/699-1819. FingerPaint is guitarists/synthesists Steev Geest and Patrick Smith. They use long digital delays to set up textural loops that have been referred to as "cinematic. Exploring the edges of electronic music and spontaneous composition, their improvisatory soundscapes have been described as "sinister and alien" (Philadelphia City Paper.) See www.fingerpaint.net for more information. The Dark Aether Project features Adam Levin (Warr 8 String Touch Style Guitar/Loops), Yaman Aksu (Fretted and Fretless Guitars/Guitar Synth), and Brian Griffin (Drums). Their music is a blend of progressive, psychedelic, and free-form improvisational rock-fusion with elements of non-western ethnic and loop-based ambient musics thrown in for good measure. "...jazz-inflected, often minimalistic...foreboding soundscape[s]... classy...offers mature musicianship without pretentiousness." -Progression Magazine Volume II Number 26 See http://www.darkaether.net for more info on The Dark Aether Project Now Available: FingerPaint Primary Colors: BLUE "can be edgy and intense as well as relaxing...." FAQT Shockwave audio featuring our newest release Primary Colors:Blue www.fingerpaint.net From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 3 22:49:46 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id WAA29498; Tue, 3 Nov 1998 22:49:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 22:49:46 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <007c01be07a3$376ff3a0$24652299@petegilbert> From: "Pete Gilbert" To: Subject: Re: Re[2]: band names Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 22:27:57 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Resent-Message-ID: <"-YeM-3.0.wn6.EfyFs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2636 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com ok ok....here goes.... I always thought that the name "the dry heaves" would be perfect..... totally lacking in substance, but awful, nonetheless. I guess you had to be there. ============ Pete Gilbert aka pgilbert@ford.com or PeteGilbert@msn.com Visit the Michigan Stick Trio Web Pages at: http://www.michsticktrio.com/ http://www.detroitsound.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 4 02:14:15 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id CAA14146; Wed, 4 Nov 1998 02:14:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 02:14:15 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Sender: mpeters@csi.com Message-ID: <01BE07C8.D2FCD070.mpeters@csi.com> From: Michael Peters To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: band names overkill Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 07:57:28 +0100 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-Mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"u3kaZ.0.1D3.ql_Fs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2637 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com for the ultimate band names overkill, check out the third part of Robert Anton Wilson's (still very recommendable) Illuminatus trilogy ('Leviathan'). The book begins with a report on the Walpurgisnacht rock festival, listing *two pages* of hilarious band names, such as The Second Law of Thermodynamics, The Ultra-Violet Hippopotamus, The Thing on the Doorstep, The Glue Sniffers, King Kong and his Skull Island Dinosaurs, The Noisy Minority ... * michael peters mpeters@csi.com * "escape veloopity" electronic guitar loop music * http://listen.to/michaelpeters From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 4 06:46:10 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id GAA00764; Wed, 4 Nov 1998 06:46:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 06:46:10 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Sender: r_t_cummings@csi.com Message-ID: <36402D2C.21E2543D@csi.com> Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 11:32:12 +0100 From: Cummings X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [de] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Starr labs - Z Tar midi controller (How About Zendrum?) References: <000001be0263$8f9ecf00$87500218@cc1006472-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"OnIcp1.0.Uy6._k3Gs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2638 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tom Roady is on this list from time to time and is a Zendrum endorser. Maybe he'll pop up again with some Zenisms ... ? Rob Douglas Lawrence schrieb: > > You guys may already know about this, but have you ever checked out a > Zendrum (http://www.zendrum.com). They seem to have a couple models to span > several prices ranges. > > I've seen them used live twice, Billy Cobham and Vinx (Jungle Funk). If I > had extra $$$ right now, I think I would get one just to check it out. > > -----Original Message----- > From: evening [mailto:evening@ulster.net] > Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 1998 5:43 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Subject: Re: Starr labs - Z Tar midi controller > > >Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 13:15:52 -0800 > >From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" > > > > >I just bought a mini-Z fro Ztar systems. It's a mid controller set up like > a > >touch style instrument. > > > >I don't know if I can recomend them yet (I have yet to see mine) but I have > >talked to a number of satisified customers. If anyone is interested, I'll > >dig up the web address. Their site has lots of pretty pictures for the > >curious. > > I had Harvey Starr build me a handhelp percussion controller about 3 > years ago. > here's my experience: > > bad - > > I paid $900 up front & waited 15 months before I rec'd anything. It took > numerous phone calls and during one of them he said "I've received death > threats from people who've been waiting too long for their Z-Tars." This > didn't make me very comfortable. > > The Z-Bar was pretty much unplayable from an ergonomic standpoint I sent > it back & got a refund. > > good - > > His software kick ass - very, very flexible. > > He did send me a demo low-end Z-Tar to play with while I was waiting - > which a friend eventually bought from him. > > In summary - Harvey is basically a nice guy & his Z-Tar * software are > excellent but make sure you get a date from him as to when your gear will > be built or better yet buy what's in stock. - the 30 day return is a nice > policy. > > jmw From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 4 08:24:56 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id IAA08729; Wed, 4 Nov 1998 08:24:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 08:24:56 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199811041304.IAA17207@ulster.net> Subject: Re:band names. & CV pedal wiring... Date: Wed, 4 Nov 98 08:01:33 -0500 x-sender: evening@pop.ulster.net x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: evening To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <"4GPOk.0.gz7.F25Gs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2639 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com There's a band in the new jersey area called "the swingin johnsons" I'm quite sure the intended the double-entendre jmw Does anyone know what kind of potentiometer works best for a CV pedal? or Where I can find a simple schemtatic? John From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 4 09:12:43 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id JAA28342; Wed, 4 Nov 1998 09:12:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 09:12:43 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Douglas Lawrence" To: Subject: RE: band names Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 08:58:20 -0500 Message-ID: <000201be07fb$2e421120$87500218@cc1006472-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <199811041304.IAA17207@ulster.net> Resent-Message-ID: <"aIQwr.0.WR5.4s5Gs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2641 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I've always tried to talk my bandmates into "Eargasm" From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 4 09:15:03 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id JAA29340; Wed, 4 Nov 1998 09:15:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 09:15:03 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 07:49:43 -0600 (CST) Sender: crash@waste.org From: Todd Madson To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Band Names Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"nJhkd1.0.Ve4.dk5Gs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2640 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com We Repeat - a looping ensemble Y2K - band's only gig will be 12/31/99 - at the moment of 1/1, all of the band's computer based equipment ceases to function. Zeuhlhouse Rock: A concept not yet realized: music from the ABC-TV Saturday morning educational cartoons re-done and re-worked in true Magma/Zeuhl-style. Includes chanting in an imaginary language, heavy drums and bass, and intense instrumental interludes. Casio Bob and the Target Twisters: Four men in Devo suits play mic'ed (not direct out) casio Keyboards purchased for $90 at Target on clearance in a faux Kraftwerkian display of 8-bit samples and robotic rhythm machines. Donald Dork and the Pilots of Purple Twilight: Faux T-dream with better keyboards, delays, and less talent. Evil Breakfast: Seemed like a good idea at the time Tan Nuns: Not used, but could be plausible Sons of Nuns: A really bad idea e.e. Coli: Well, it could happen but few would get the joke (get it? e.e. cummings meets e.coli) Aliensporebomb: my current project - just me and various machines and loopers and guitars. Cold Cranking Amps: An actual Minneapolis band - great name Dumpster Juice: Another Minneapolis band - they sound like the name Whoopgnash: Another Minneapolis band - power fusion Eight Head: Local super trio with Dean MacGraw, Marc Anderson (Steve Tibbets has sat in on occasion), and Jim Anton - sadly now defunct I hear. Thin Men: Cast-off name from a friend's band The Panel: Another cast-off name from a friend's band From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 4 09:41:40 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id JAA07576; Wed, 4 Nov 1998 09:41:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 09:41:40 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: DDemarc@aol.com Message-ID: <1941ef79.364061b2@aol.com> Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 09:16:18 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, sgoodman@earthlight.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Re[2]: band names Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 170 Resent-Message-ID: <"0iCDa3.0.-Q7.486Gs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2642 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 11/3/98 3:08:23 PM Pacific Standard Time, Mike.Biffle@wj.com writes: << OK... we're going to go waaayyyy back to high school. >> I'll jump into the fray here. I've had the dubious pleasure of being in the following bands: - The Violent Spurtz - Add Water and Stir - The Phil McCracken All Stars - Dick Army I'm currently in 4 different bands but the best name of them all is Hookwormb. Dave D From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 4 10:27:29 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id KAA27172; Wed, 4 Nov 1998 10:27:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 10:27:29 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: KRosser414@aol.com Message-ID: <58142729.36406dec@aol.com> Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 10:08:28 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: band names Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 18 Resent-Message-ID: <"kSea31.0.Nn4._u6Gs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2643 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Figured I might as well sneak in while the floodgates are still open... Fave band name of all time: 667, Neighbor of the Beast I think they were a punk band but never actually heard them. Ken R From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 4 10:36:03 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id KAA30705; Wed, 4 Nov 1998 10:36:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 10:36:03 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <36407CF8.D4CC40A3@vtx.ch> Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 17:12:40 +0100 From: Claude Voit Reply-To: c.voit@vtx.ch X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [fr] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: band names References: <00148B95.C21407@wj.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"zoeqS3.0.HZ5.h_6Gs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2644 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Does anybody know about a band called supporting act I've seen them on alot of walls everywhere never seen a record though Claude From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 4 10:37:29 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id KAA31312; Wed, 4 Nov 1998 10:37:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 10:37:29 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.32.19981104163120.006a4a1c@net.ganymed.org> X-Sender: lorenz@net.ganymed.org X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 16:32:33 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Lorenz Haeusle Subject: RE: band names Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"8uAmO.0.VN6._67Gs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2645 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com sorry, i can't relate with this topic. i think band names aren't important at all, they are just a label you stick on a product, so you can sell it. for me it's important that the music takes me to other spheres, somewhere else, that it's got feeling, groove, ... i think you all know what i mean... From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 4 10:59:33 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id KAA08750; Wed, 4 Nov 1998 10:59:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 10:59:33 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <01BE0809.FEEDD580.andrew@bocs.com> From: Andrew Taylor Reply-To: "andrew@bocs.com" To: "Loop (E-mail)" Subject: re:band names Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 15:44:21 -0000 Organization: bocs X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"YRAL_3.0.ti.yR7Gs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2647 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Once upon a time there was a 'showband' who toured around Ireland in the 70's, playing 'ballrooms'. They were fronted by 'Big Tom'. With the large community of Irish descendents in New York they decided to go on tour there. Posters were put up and come the night of the gig tickets were going well. Out walks Big Tom onto the stage. Instead of the usual blue rinse bingo folk, he's confronted by a large amount of long haired hippy types. They look at each other, bemused. 'hello boys and girls' says Big Tom, counting in the band for their first number, some old Irish tune or other. Their full name, as appeared on the posters ? Big Tom and the Mainliners. True story. ( Big Tom fans in London take note - he still does the odd pub gig in the Finsbury Park area. He's still shite, too. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 4 11:04:18 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id LAA10930; Wed, 4 Nov 1998 11:04:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 11:04:18 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3640768A.3C30@mdbs.com> Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 10:45:14 -0500 From: "Dennis W. Leas" X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win95; U) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Re[3]: band names References: <00148B24.C21407@wj.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"exFLD2.0.z6.vM7Gs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2646 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is too much fun! Here's my $0.02 on cool band names... bands I've been in: Roadkill (this was a tongue-in-cheek, pick-up, cover band; we wore T shirts with tire tread-marks across them) Mostly Water ("Hi! We're Mostly Water...and so are you!") bands names I'd like to see: The John Galt Band The Won Ton Funk Band Coolest band name I've seen: Mouth Full of Bees - Dennis Leas -- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 4 11:29:49 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id LAA16106; Wed, 4 Nov 1998 11:29:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 11:29:49 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19981104100858.007f77f0@wavefront.com> X-Sender: chuck.zwicky@wavefront.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 10:08:58 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Chuck Zwicky Subject: RE: band names In-Reply-To: <2148EC143F29D1118BE000805FC13CD06E9863@migarexch01.maritz. com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"w3b-T.0.Qz2.8o7Gs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2648 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com "Special Guests TBA" There is a band which was recording at Ardent studios in Memphis called "Big-Ass Truck" From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 4 14:05:29 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id OAA13806; Wed, 4 Nov 1998 14:05:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 14:05:29 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3640ADEF.717C721B@vtx.ch> Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 20:41:35 +0100 From: Claude Voit Reply-To: c.voit@vtx.ch X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [fr] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kim flint , Loopers-Delight Subject: looper mail problem Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"LigFu.0.AE2.b3AGs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2649 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I tried twice to reply to one of those funny Band name messages but my humor never came back thru the mailing list there seems to be some gremlins in the machine A+ Claude From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 4 14:42:11 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id OAA19025; Wed, 4 Nov 1998 14:42:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 14:42:11 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3640AB08.6FB3@mdbs.com> Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 14:29:12 -0500 From: "Dennis W. Leas" X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win95; U) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: WARNING: non-looper content References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"uwpAI2.0.m44.1fAGs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2650 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I just got this. Too funny not to pass it on.. When John Glenn returns from space, everybody dress in Ape Suits. Pass it on. ;^) - Dennis Leas -- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 4 14:42:20 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id OAA19051; Wed, 4 Nov 1998 14:42:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 14:42:20 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3640ADEF.717C721B@vtx.ch> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 11:23:57 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: looper mail problem Resent-Message-ID: <"t6k1Y.0.c84.9gAGs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2651 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 11:41 AM -0800 11/4/98, Claude Voit wrote: >I tried twice to reply to one of those funny Band name messages but my >humor never came back thru the mailing list > >there seems to be some gremlins in the machine Probably the server just couldn't take any more of this inane thread and took matters into it's own hands. :-) kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 4 14:58:29 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id OAA21075; Wed, 4 Nov 1998 14:58:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 14:58:29 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <046301be082a$f21a2180$c5b854ce@mark.asisoftware.com> From: Mark@asisoftware.com (Mark Kata) To: "Trish Ludwig - work" , "Trish Ludwig - home" , "Sheri Kovalsky" , "Sasha Barskiy" , "Phil Haar" , "Patrick Neckolaishen" , "Mark Moylan" , "Mark Kata" , "Marina Ivanov" , "Maria Biundo - work" , "Maria Biundo - home" , "LuAnne Mandeville" , "Loopers Delight" , "John McClure" , "John D. Tonkovich" , "Jim Kovalsky" , "Jill Fata" , "Heidi Renee Rosenzweig" , "Hans Mills" , "Glenn Kata - work" , "Glenn Kata - home" , "Gary Ross" , "Fran Fata" , "Donna Laciak" , "Don Weiss" , "Carolyn Rosenzweig" , "Carole Paulsen" , "Bob Walkowski" , "Bernie Cadaret" , "Alex Margolin" Subject: Humor Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 14:40:15 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"qENvb1.0.XZ4.orAGs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2652 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com OK, this one passes the laugh test, it gets forwarded... ---------- Forwarded message ---------- URGENT!! Please distribute this to everyone (on Earth, that is) you know. When John Glenn returns from space, everybody dress in ape suits. We have 6 days in which to bury the Statue of Liberty up to her head. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 4 16:31:58 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id QAA01754; Wed, 4 Nov 1998 16:31:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 16:31:58 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <2.2.32.19981104210334.00de3f38@pop.chromatic.com> X-Sender: kflint@pop.chromatic.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 13:03:34 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Lack of Humor, netiquette Resent-Message-ID: <"_pvaj2.0.PZ7.S4CGs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2653 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 02:40 PM 11/4/98 -0500, you wrote: >OK, this one passes the laugh test, it gets forwarded... ha, ha. ok my usual bad temperment has returned. Please, no matter how amusing you think something like this is, don't forward it to an entire mailing list! Pretty much everyone with an email account has already seen it, we don't need to see it again. People join mailing lists for a specific topic, let's try to respect that. Here is a link to the "discussion groups" section on one of the more definitive guides to netiquette. Now might be a good time to re-read it: http://www.fau.edu/netiquette/net/dis.html And before you reply with the predictable "but I thought it was funny," please consider this quote from the above noted guide: "When someone posts an off-subject note, and someone else criticizes that posting, you should NOT submit a gratuitous note saying 'well, I liked it and lots of people probably did as well and you guys ought to lighten up and not tell us to stick to the subject'." thanks, kim ________________________________________________________ Kim Flint, MTS 408-752-9284 Chromatic Research kflint@chromatic.com http://www.chromatic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 4 16:32:17 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id QAA01825; Wed, 4 Nov 1998 16:32:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 16:32:17 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3640C442.CB6667A2@bellsouth.net> Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 16:16:51 -0500 From: Jeff Duke X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.07 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: band names. & CV pedal wiring... References: <199811041304.IAA17207@ulster.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"t27rA1.0._-7.7HCGs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2654 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com According to my copy of the Digital Delay Handbook by Craig Anderton it is a 100k linear taper potentiometer. I have gotten them at Radio Shack. Here in Atlanta we have a band called The Swinging Richards. Also one called Pale White Sausage. jeff evening wrote: > There's a band in the new jersey area called > > "the swingin johnsons" > > I'm quite sure the intended the double-entendre > > jmw > > Does anyone know what kind of potentiometer works best for a CV pedal? or > Where I can find a simple schemtatic? > > John From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 4 16:53:07 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id QAA06393; Wed, 4 Nov 1998 16:53:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 16:53:07 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <2C396693FBDED111AEF60000F84104A71A65CA@indyexch_fddi.indy.tce.com> From: Hoover Alan To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: band names Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 15:46:41 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <"O7Jyx1.0.pO.4UCGs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2655 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Better bring along plenty of chicken wire! -----Original Message----- From: Chris Muir [mailto:cbm@well.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 1998 3:35 PM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: band names At 11:08 AM -0800 11/3/98, Kim Flint wrote: >I always felt the best band name would be: > >"Free Beer Night!" > >You'd always have a big crowd..... And surly, too. Chris _____________________________________________________ Chris Muir | The Web Comes Alive With Music: cbm@headspace.com | http://www.headspace.com/beatnik From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 4 17:58:07 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id RAA20075; Wed, 4 Nov 1998 17:58:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 17:58:07 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: nicomonguzzi@mail.vtx.ch Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <2C396693FBDED111AEF60000F84104A71A65CA@indyexch_fddi.indy.tce.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 23:40:44 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: nicolas monguzzi Subject: RE: band names Resent-Message-ID: <"nzRwu.0.Np3.dSDGs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2656 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com How about "Kellogs and the Corn Flakes"... sorry ciao From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 4 18:28:24 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id SAA26446; Wed, 4 Nov 1998 18:28:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 18:28:24 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199811040818.DAA20491@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 16:02:26 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Edwin Hurwitz Subject: Re:Band names Resent-Message-ID: <"MfCc32.0.3O5.bsDGs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2657 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Some of my favorite band names: Wazmo Nariz Joe Cuba and the Tokyo Negroes Edwin Edwin Hurwitz Boulder CO http://www.indra.com/~edwin From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 4 22:00:48 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id WAA32194; Wed, 4 Nov 1998 22:00:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 22:00:48 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Reply-To: From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: Subject: RE: Lack of Humor, netiquette Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 18:50:20 -0800 Message-ID: <000201be0867$07fc9500$c832dacf@stepheng> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.19981104210334.00de3f38@pop.chromatic.com> Resent-Message-ID: <"i3qPC2.0.SV7.oAHGs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2658 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Well, THIS one came back to me from a source who tends to be ahead of the rest, helping to avoid the objection quotient: Q: How many Internet mailing list subscribers does it take to change a light bulb? A: 1,331: 1 to change the light bulb and to post to the mailing list that the light bulb has been changed 14 to share similar experiences of changing light bulbs and how the light bulb could have been changed differently. 7 to caution about the dangers of changing light bulbs. 27 to point out spelling/grammar errors in posts about changing light bulbs. 53 to flame the spell checkers 156 to write to the list administrator complaining about the light bulb discussion and its inappropriateness to this mail list. 41 to correct spelling in the spelling/grammar flames. 109 to post that this list is not about light bulbs and to please take this e mail exchange to alt.lite.bulb 203 to demand that cross posting to alt.grammar, alt.spelling and alt.punctuation about changing light bulbs be stopped. 111 to defend the posting to this list saying that we are all use light bulbs and therefore the posts **are** relevant to this mail list. 306 to debate which method of changing light bulbs is superior, where to buy the best light bulbs, what brand of light bulbs work best for this technique, and what brands are faulty. 27 to post URLs where one can see examples of different light bulbs 14 to post that the URLs were posted incorrectly, and to post corrected URLs. 3 to post about links they found from the URLs that are relevant to this list which makes light bulbs relevant to this list. 33 to quote all posts to date, including all headers and footers, and then add "Me Too." 12 to post to the list that they are unsubscribing because they cannot handle the light bulb controversy. 19 to quote the "Me Too's" to say, "Me Three." 4 to suggest that posters request the light bulb FAQ. 1 to propose new alt.change.lite.bulb newsgroup. 47 to say this is just what alt.physic.cold_fusion was meant for, leave it here. 143 votes for alt.lite.bulb. Stephen Goodman  -  It's... The Loop Of The Week! EarthLight Studios  -  http://www.earthlight.net/Studios From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 4 22:48:29 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id WAA08508; Wed, 4 Nov 1998 22:48:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 22:48:29 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19981104223540.0079ea60@mindspring.com> X-Sender: zanga@mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 22:35:40 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Rik Myers Subject: EDP memory In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.19981027035151.009738b8@pop.chromatic.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"TImSZ.0.tZ1.8pHGs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2659 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Greetings fellow Earthlings, I was planning on joining the EDP "group buy" extravaganza, but located a used EDP with a full complement of memory and footcontroller for a better price. I just got the EDP yesterday, but the 4X4meg simms were not yet loaded. I swapped in the 4 meg simms but when I powered up, instead of seeing "198" for loop time, I saw "66.1". I reseated the simms, but still"66.1". Hmmm, shouldn't this be "198". I'm a bit confused... The memory is something generic that the previous owner bought from PC Zone and didn't install. According to his research, these should be fine. Any suggestions? Looking forward to moving on from JamMan-ing to EDPdom, Rico From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 4 23:12:18 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id XAA10976; Wed, 4 Nov 1998 23:12:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 23:12:18 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <2.2.32.19981105040749.00d92d50@pop.chromatic.com> X-Sender: kflint@pop.chromatic.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 20:07:49 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: EDP memory Resent-Message-ID: <"xPzg42.0.QZ2.2IIGs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2660 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 10:35 PM 11/4/98 -0800, Rik Myers wrote: >Greetings fellow Earthlings, > >I was planning on joining the EDP "group buy" extravaganza, but located a >used EDP with a full complement of memory and footcontroller for a better >price. > >I just got the EDP yesterday, but the 4X4meg simms were not yet loaded. I >swapped in the 4 meg simms but when I powered up, instead of seeing "198" >for loop time, I saw "66.1". I reseated the simms, but still"66.1". Hmmm, >shouldn't this be "198". I'm a bit confused... > sounds to me like you've got the MoreLoops parameter set to 3. This divides the memory among 3 loops (or whatever its set to), so when you power up the display shows the time available in Loop 1. (198/3=66) Either go to the MoreLoops parameter and set it back to 1, or maybe just reset all the parameters to start completely fresh. Do that by holding the parameter button at power up, and keep holding it until the echoplex gets through with its bootup sequence. kim ________________________________________________________ Kim Flint, MTS 408-752-9284 Chromatic Research kflint@chromatic.com http://www.chromatic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Nov 5 00:58:52 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id AAA20362; Thu, 5 Nov 1998 00:58:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1998 00:58:52 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <2.2.32.19981105054749.01025f94@artist-shop.com> X-Sender: artshop@artist-shop.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 05 Nov 1998 00:47:49 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Gary Davis Subject: Bon Lozaga Dates Resent-Message-ID: <"2G4cq1.0.1l4.CnJGs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2661 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi, folks: The latest Artist Shop newsletter is out and you'll find it in its entirety at . Here's a little snippet that may be of interest to loopers. Fans of Gongzilla and Boz Lozaga will be interested in the following dates that appear on our LoLo Records page at : Bon Lozaga/Vic Stevens shows Guitarist Bon Lozaga (Gongzilla) along with percussionist Glen Leonard will be performing at the following shows. These are "Sonic Abandon" shows with electric and acoustic guitars, loops, strangeness, etc. Fri. Nov. 6 Steel City Bridge & Main St., Phoenixville, PA 610-933-0709 Showtime 9 PM Sat. Nov. 14 Knitting Factory 74 Leonard St., New York, N.Y. 212-219-3006 Showtime 9PM Drummer Vic Stevens will also be performing with his project called Threshold. This trio feature Kermit Driscoll on bass and Alex Domshcott on guitar. Gary ************************************************************** Gary Davis The Artist Shop The Other Road http://www.artist-shop.com artshop@artist-shop.com phone: 330-929-2056 fax:330-945-4923 SUPPORT THE INDEPENDENT ARTIST!!! ************************************************************** Check out the latest Artist Shop newsletter at http://www.artist-shop.com/news.htm From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Nov 5 03:48:14 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id DAA01192; Thu, 5 Nov 1998 03:48:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1998 03:48:14 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <1302245152-22309302@imagina.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1998 00:29:27 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Midi footswitch for Echoplex Resent-Message-ID: <"oupZA2.0.Ow7.WAMGs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2662 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com well, this is sort of old, sorry....(some of the rest of you can answer these things once in a while!) At 2:44 PM -0800 10/31/98, Neil Goldstein wrote: >I am planning to get an EDP in the near future. What are the relative pros >and cons of controlling it via a midi foot pedal vs. the dedicated floor >unit? I actually use both at the same time, although you can do everything with a decent midi pedal. One thing I do find though, is I like having a pedal just dedicated to the echoplex functions. Then I don't have to go back and forth with bank switching a lot to deal with effects control and the loop control at the same time. So I'll often use the OB pedal for that, while leaving the midi pedal for effects control. Or I'll have the OB pedal for function control and the midi pedal for loop triggering, and bank switches on the midi pedal are just between loop triggering and effects control. One pedal for each thing is ok for me though, since I don't use any others. I do use the midi pedal by itself more and more, and that does work fine. However, if you have no other use for midi control, save yourself a lot of pedal programming hassle and get the OB pedal. It's very simple and obvious to use, just plug it in and it works. >If the midi pedal does the same job, I would prefer to get one of >these for other purposes as well. There was some discussion months back >about what pedals are recommended but lost the info. What models are >recommended? Is midi timing as tight as the dedicated pedal buttons? Personally, I use a Digitech PMC-10, which I think is one of the best midi pedals ever. Check out this page for more info on it: http://members.aol.com/jefman13/articles/pmc.html They are not in production anymore, sadly. I got mine used for $100, which was a great deal. The pedal does just about everything. Other good choices are the Rocktron AllAccess, which seems to be a great pedal but is a little expensive or the Roland FC-200(?), which is good except for the lame display. Check out the Echoplex footpedal tutorial for more details on what kind of midi pedal to get: http://www.annihilist.com/loop/tools/echoplex/echopedals.html kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Nov 5 05:50:07 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id FAA07674; Thu, 5 Nov 1998 05:50:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1998 05:50:07 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: From: Gisle Martens Meyer To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Lack of Humor, netiquette Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1998 11:09:36 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"NU8gg2.0.1g1.zwNGs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2663 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I have changed the light bulb. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Nov 5 10:22:42 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id KAA28491; Thu, 5 Nov 1998 10:22:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1998 10:22:42 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3641BDC7.75E@cheerful.com> Date: Thu, 05 Nov 1998 09:01:27 -0600 From: Bob Reply-To: printer@cheerful.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: band names Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"T4XwX.0.4K6.wtRGs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2664 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Our group name, while playing around No. Calif. was: "Gallo and the Puking Teens" since no one in the band was under 35 we changed it to "Smiling Vulvas" Bob From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Nov 5 11:40:30 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id LAA06398; Thu, 5 Nov 1998 11:40:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1998 11:40:30 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1998 11:07:04 -0500 (EST) From: Adam Levin X-Sender: alevin@ari.ari.net To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Subject: Small ProgFestival in Germany: Monsters of Prog (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"hyZb43.0.cS.ZsSGs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2665 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Damn, I wish I could be there for this... ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Hi Proggies. There's a small Progressive Festival in South/Middle Germany. It's called MONSTERS OF PROG (Caution: Irony) and it takes place on Saturday, 21st of November, at 19:00 in Flonheim, which lies between Mainz (near Frankfurt) and Alzey. Entry fee: 15,- DM Bands playing: Brightness Falls .........Music between Violence and Apathy........... Guitar Bizarre ...........Soundscapes with two Guitars............. Centrozoon.............Ambient Music withTeeth................ Never heard before ???? Never mind: Come anyway !!! It will be worth it! This is Progressive Music that doesn't follow the Path of Genesis and Marillion, but goes different ways. Brightness Falls plays the more rough side of Prog, inspired by King Crimson, Magma, Peter Hammill and many more. Guitar Bizarre features Kuno Wagner, excellent player of the Warr-Guitar, and (not sure yet) guitarist, drummer and drummer. Centrozoon is Markus Reuter's Project. Markus plays brilliant Warr Guitar in the Europa String Choir, a Group that emerged from Robert Fripp's Guitar Craft. Their first CD was co-produced by Fripp, and is available on the Discipline Label. Centrozoon features Markus on Warr Guitar and a groove programmer. Interested? Have a look: www.itd.utech.de/~weyhing/prog/monsters.htm or mail me: woyng@bigfoot.com Cheers, Gerd =:-# From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Nov 5 12:45:08 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id MAA20754; Thu, 5 Nov 1998 12:45:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1998 12:45:08 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1998 11:38:43 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: patrick@his.com (Patrick Smith) Subject: Le Vestibule on PC: BLUE Resent-Message-ID: <"lLcpk2.0.up2.YnTGs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2666 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com To: FNGP Records Patrick Smith FingerPaint From: Jean-Francois Fecteau radio show Le Vestibule Mister Smith, I would like to sincerely thank you for having sent me the album "Primary Colors: Blue" from your band FingerPaint. On this magnificent album you were able to create impressive soundscapes, and each track establishes a particular atmosphere and mood, wrapping the mind with multi-textured sounds and effects and letting a flow of images come out of this musical journey, like if every piece was telling a different story, and expressing its own emotions. I was really amaze by your work, and I can clearly state that FingerPaint has found a niche among the best ambient artists. You can be assured that I will include your band on the playlists of my radio show Le Vestibule, know that next week I will be sending you like every month my playlists. Once again thank you so very much for your precious collaboration, it means alot to me. So until I will hear from you again, please take care. Best regards. Jean-Francois Fecteau Le Vestibule 565 Lacerte Trois-Rivieres-Ouest Quebec, Canada G9A 3C1 E-Mail: isabelle_gelinas1@uqtr.uquebec.ca Now Available: FingerPaint Primary Colors: BLUE "can be edgy and intense as well as relaxing...." FAQT Shockwave audio featuring our newest release Primary Colors:Blue www.fingerpaint.net From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Nov 5 15:06:44 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id PAA15308; Thu, 5 Nov 1998 15:06:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1998 15:06:44 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <363F7678.AF9E8CC9@vtx.ch> Date: Tue, 03 Nov 1998 22:32:40 +0100 From: Claude Voit Reply-To: c.voit@vtx.ch X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [fr] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: band names References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"bN8kw1.0.LY7.7lVGs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2668 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Name your band "supporting act" and enjoy the publicity Claude From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Nov 5 15:11:59 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id PAA18019; Thu, 5 Nov 1998 15:11:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1998 15:11:59 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199811051922.OAA27797@mail.his.com> Date: Thu, 05 Nov 1998 13:50:14 +0200 From: patrick@his.com (FingerPaint) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: FS: - Lexicon Vortex, Perfect condition - Awesome effe... Resent-Message-ID: <"c4ieg2.0.-I7.tiVGs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2667 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I saw this on a ng and thought some of you might wanna scarf it up. Patrick > From: Reidman@STOPSPAMearthlink.net > Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.marketplace > Subject: FS: - Lexicon Vortex, Perfect condition - Awesome effe... > Date: 5 Nov 98 16:39:57 GMT > Organization: Recycler Classifieds > Lines: 16 > Message-ID: <3641d4dd.0@webmail.recycler.com> > NNTP-Posting-Host: 199.182.84.114 > X-NETCOM-Date: Thu Nov 05 10:28:42 AM CST 1998 > Path: news4.his.com!news-xfer.newsread.com!netaxs.com!newsread.com!netnews.com!ix.netcom.com!webmail.recycler.com!172.16.1.15 > > > - Lexicon Vortex, Perfect condition - Awesome effects! > > Price: $150.00 OBO > Phone: (818) 841-6659 > eMail: Reidman@STOPSPAMearthlink.net > Location: Altadena, CA 91001 > > > NOTE: The characters STOPSPAM have been added after the @ sign > in the eMail to prevent spam eMails. Please remove before sending > your reply > > --> Posted for FREE at the request of the advertiser. > --> By: THE RECYCLER CLASSIFIEDS - http://www.recycler.com (c) -- Now available Primary Colors: BLUE "...Can be as edgy and intense as it can be relaxing..." FAQT Fingerpaint Web Site: www.fingerpaint.net From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Nov 5 16:39:31 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id QAA22610; Thu, 5 Nov 1998 16:39:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1998 16:39:31 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: klaw@pop.iglou.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <1302245152-22309302@imagina.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Midi footswitch for Echoplex Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1998 16:21:24 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: <"FFVfv.0.2e3.6SXGs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2669 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com BTW-PMC 10 with( keypad programmer) good condition $150 -- Music Warehouse -Louisville Ky 502-456 -4730 >well, this is sort of old, sorry....(some of >Personally, I use a Digitech PMC-10, which I think is one of the best midi >pedals ever. Check out this page for more info on it: > >http://members.aol.com/jefman13/articles/pmc.html > >They are not in production anymore, sadly. I got mine used for $100, which >was a great deal. The pedal does just about everything. Other good choices >are the Rocktron AllAccess, which seems to be a great pedal but is a little >expensive or the Roland FC-200(?), which is good except for the lame >display. Check out the Echoplex footpedal tutorial for more details on what >kind of midi pedal to get: > >http://www.annihilist.com/loop/tools/echoplex/echopedals.html > >kim > >______________________________________________________________________ >Kim Flint | Looper's Delight >kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html >http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Nov 5 20:28:58 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id UAA29209; Thu, 5 Nov 1998 20:28:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1998 20:28:58 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: klaw@pop.iglou.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Midi footswitch for Echoplex Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1998 20:17:17 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: <"OZ_6r3.0.2o5.7vaGs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2670 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com ___________________________________________________ BTW-PMC 10 with( keypad programmer) good condition $150 -- Music Warehouse -Louisville Ky 502-456 -4730 >well, this is sort of old, sorry....(some of >Personally, I use a Digitech PMC-10, which I think is one of the best midi >pedals ever. Check out this page for more info on it: > >http://members.aol.com/jefman13/articles/pmc.html > >They are not in production anymore, sadly. I got mine used for $100, which >was a great deal. The pedal does just about everything. Other good choices >are the Rocktron AllAccess, which seems to be a great pedal but is a little >expensive or the Roland FC-200(?), which is good except for the lame >display. Check out the Echoplex footpedal tutorial for more details on what >kind of midi pedal to get: > >http://www.annihilist.com/loop/tools/echoplex/echopedals.html > >kim > >______________________________________________________________________ >Kim Flint | Looper's Delight >kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html >http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Nov 6 01:57:26 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id BAA07281; Fri, 6 Nov 1998 01:57:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 01:57:26 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: ENAT21213@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 01:36:18 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: electric bird noise / new loop cd avalible now Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Resent-Message-ID: <"Thm5_.0.0-7.mafGs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2671 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com hello all, my band electric bird noise (cinematic loop and layered instrumental rock) has just released our debut cd. it's available now though artfag recordings. there's some sound samples posted as well as a link to our home page. please check it out http://members.aol.com/artfag1/index.html let us know what you think? brian electric bird noise From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Nov 6 02:02:51 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id CAA09195; Fri, 6 Nov 1998 02:02:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 02:02:51 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: spat@visi.com Posted-Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 00:51:25 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19981106065039.006d2a18@mail.visi.com> X-Sender: spat@mail.visi.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1998 00:50:39 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: OT: Re: Le Vestibule on PC: BLUE Resent-Message-ID: <"MzC_Q3.0.DI1.OofGs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2672 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Patrick Smith posted: >Mister Smith, > >I would like to sincerely thank you for having sent me the album "Primary >Colors: Blue" from your band FingerPaint. On this magnificent album you >were able to create impressive soundscapes I humbly request a moritorium on the continuing posting of advertisments/"reviews" of your "Primary Colors" product. Lots of people on this list also have recordings available, and it doesn't seem fair to those who *don't* insist on trading the goodwill of fellow listmembers with seemingly endless advertisements for recordings and/or gigs. A mention in a sig file seems sufficient. Posting "reviews" of your product by "important publications" is just plain tacky at best and makes one wonder why such a hard sell is necessary. P.S.-- Does Jean-Francois Fecteau know you posted his personal correspondence on a public list? P.P.S. Sorry, this was meant to be a private post. Putting on ape suit, Steve From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Nov 6 05:13:31 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id FAA18119; Fri, 6 Nov 1998 05:13:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 05:13:31 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <001201be0969$a948f720$3c4a8581@jkudler.stu.wesleyan.edu> From: "Jesse Kudler" To: Subject: Re: Re: Le Vestibule on PC: BLUE Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 04:41:42 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Resent-Message-ID: <"v1dX_3.0.341.pCiGs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2673 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Seconded. -Jesse > I humbly request a moritorium on the continuing posting of >advertisments/"reviews" >of your "Primary Colors" product. Lots of people on this list also have >recordings >available, and it doesn't seem fair to those who *don't* insist on trading >the goodwill >of fellow listmembers with seemingly endless advertisements for recordings >and/or gigs. >A mention in a sig file seems sufficient. Posting "reviews" of your product by >"important publications" is just plain tacky at best and makes one wonder why >such a hard sell is necessary. > > >P.S.-- Does Jean-Francois Fecteau know you posted his personal correspondence >on a public list? > >P.P.S. Sorry, this was meant to be a private post. > > Putting on ape suit, > Steve > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Nov 6 11:08:48 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id LAA26715; Fri, 6 Nov 1998 11:08:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 11:08:48 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <87815965.36431bbf@aol.com> Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 10:54:39 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Catalog Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 170 Resent-Message-ID: <"_qqFS1.0.NE5.2mnGs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2674 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com i really like getting and reading music equipment catalogs. a nice one is from Full Compass, lots-o-stuff.........www.fullcompass.com........sorry, no band would have me..................michael From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Nov 6 11:52:54 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id LAA11991; Fri, 6 Nov 1998 11:52:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 11:52:54 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199811061728.MAA30522@scylla.cowles.com> X-Sender: rswitzer@mailserver.cowles.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1998 11:09:19 -0500 To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com From: Robert Switzer Subject: Recent CD releases by list members Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"JDp3v3.0.K97.72oGs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2675 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Subject: CD Releases by List Members Just wanted to take a time out to comment on my impressions of two excellent recent releases by list members -- Fingerpaint's Primary Colors:Blue and Michael Peter's 'Escape Veloopity'. Even though Fingerpaint members Patrick Smith and Steev Geest are guitarists, Primary Colors: Blue isn't a 'guitar album', in the traditional sense. The emphasis here is on sonics and texture -- Fingerpaint shows off a rich, varied sonic palette over a broad range of style and texture, ranging from smooth and relaxing to angular and dark. *Rain*, the opening cut on the CD, is the strongest piece on the disk, and features heavily overdriven guitar nestled in a collage of dark and unusual sounds. *Blue Sky Darkening* is another strong cut, and my personal favorite. I had a chance to see a Fingerpaint show a month or so back, on a triple bill with Dark Aether Project and Tony Geballe. Patrick and Steev are sensitive, aware improvisers who make subtle and imaginative use of their electronically augmented guitars. They'll be appearing again with Dark Aether Project later this month near DC. Check out http://www.fingerpaint.net for details -- the CD is available here, too, as well as through Wayside/Cuneiform. Michael Peters' 'Escape Veloopity' *is* a guitar album -- a very good guitar album -- featuring interesting loops combined with acoustic picking, and a full complement of lead work on electric. According to the liner notes, 'Escape Veloopity' is a collection of sketches, rather than finished compositions, and was largely recorded live, without overdubs. The highpoint of the CD for me is the clean electric/acoustic guitar work on track 9, called *Ambleside, April 28, 1993*. Michael's CD can be ordered from Eurock, or directly from his web site at http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Mpeters. --rob From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Nov 6 19:35:24 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id TAA27408; Fri, 6 Nov 1998 19:35:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 19:35:24 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19981106192332.007b04c0@mindspring.com> X-Sender: zanga@mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1998 19:23:32 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Rik Myers Subject: EDP memory problem Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"zBxzr.0.5Z5.sAvGs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2676 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi folks, I posted this a few daze ago and never saw it fly.The again, I haven't seen anything "Loopy" in the last few daze....hmmm Hello! Is there anybody out there? OK, so I recently bought an EDP that was posted in these very pages. It came with 4, 4 meg simms. I installed the simms, but instead of seeing "198" for Looptime, I saw "66.1". Sure enough, it looks like I have a little over a minute of record time. I pulled the mmemory and reinseted it..same result. The previous owner said it was unused memory. Any clues? Hasta ,Rik From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Nov 6 19:56:21 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id TAA03097; Fri, 6 Nov 1998 19:56:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 19:56:21 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 16:41:34 -0800 Message-ID: <0014BC59.C21407@wj.com> From: Mike.Biffle@wj.com (Mike Biffle) Subject: Re: EDP memory problem To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, Rik Myers Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Resent-Message-ID: <"XyHxv.0.Gj7.uWvGs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2677 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Kim posted a reply regarding something like NumLoop. Check to see that it's not set for 3 (which would subdivide your 198 down to 66 secs. best, Miko EDP-illiterate B. ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: EDP memory problem Author: Rik Myers at INTERNET Date: 11/6/98 7:34 PM Hi folks, I posted this a few daze ago and never saw it fly.The again, I haven't seen anything "Loopy" in the last few daze....hmmm Hello! Is there anybody out there? OK, so I recently bought an EDP that was posted in these very pages. It came with 4, 4 meg simms. I installed the simms, but instead of seeing "198" for Looptime, I saw "66.1". Sure enough, it looks like I have a little over a minute of record time. I pulled the mmemory and reinseted it..same result. The previous owner said it was unused memory. Any clues? Hasta ,Rik From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Nov 6 20:07:42 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id UAA07898; Fri, 6 Nov 1998 20:07:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 20:07:42 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19981106165457.0140e340@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: sean_@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1998 16:54:57 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: Re: EDP memory problem In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19981106192332.007b04c0@mindspring.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"iUZqJ1.0.Wn._gvGs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2678 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Rik, Kim replied to your original message. Here it is: At 10:35 PM 11/4/98 -0800, Rik Myers wrote: >Greetings fellow Earthlings, > >I was planning on joining the EDP "group buy" extravaganza, but located a >used EDP with a full complement of memory and footcontroller for a better >price. > >I just got the EDP yesterday, but the 4X4meg simms were not yet loaded. I >swapped in the 4 meg simms but when I powered up, instead of seeing "198" >for loop time, I saw "66.1". I reseated the simms, but still"66.1". Hmmm, >shouldn't this be "198". I'm a bit confused... > sounds to me like you've got the MoreLoops parameter set to 3. This divides the memory among 3 loops (or whatever its set to), so when you power up the display shows the time available in Loop 1. (198/3=66) Either go to the MoreLoops parameter and set it back to 1, or maybe just reset all the parameters to start completely fresh. Do that by holding the parameter button at power up, and keep holding it until the echoplex gets through with its bootup sequence. kim From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Nov 6 20:24:43 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id UAA14893; Fri, 6 Nov 1998 20:24:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 20:24:43 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19981106170715.027f7390@shell5.ba.best.com> X-Sender: jcooper@shell5.ba.best.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1998 17:07:15 -0800 To: Rik Myers From: john s cooper Subject: Re: EDP memory problem Cc: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19981106192332.007b04c0@mindspring.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"RD6s71.0.ic2.AyvGs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2679 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 07:23 PM 11/6/98 -0800, Rik Myers wrote: >Hi folks, I posted this a few daze ago and never saw it fly.The again, I >haven't seen anything "Loopy" in the last few daze....hmmm Hello! Is there >anybody out there? > >OK, so I recently bought an EDP that was posted in these very pages. It >came with 4, 4 meg simms. I installed the simms, but instead of seeing >"198" for Looptime, I saw "66.1". Sure enough, it looks like I have a >little over a minute of record time. I pulled the mmemory and reinseted >it..same result. The previous owner said it was unused memory. > your mail did show up here - maybe your mailer is bouncing looper's delight, so i'm mailing this directly to you, and cc'ing the list. kim replied with the obvious answer that your memory for one loop is your total memory divided by your currently-set number-of-loops. so you probably have MoreLoops set to 3. (when you power up, you only see the amount of time for the 1st loop. when you hit next loop, you get another 66 seconds, etc). hopefully the obvious is indeed your answer, otherwise you might be having more fundamental problems (like a bad simm or something). -john ...................................................... john s cooper opcode systems, inc http://www.planetz.com http://www.opcode.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Nov 6 21:29:43 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id VAA07826; Fri, 6 Nov 1998 21:29:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 21:29:43 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: mchriste@panther.middlebury.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 21:24:17 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: murkie Subject: that thing you do Resent-Message-ID: <"acQ8L.0.MQ1.PzwGs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2680 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com being a solo guitar live looper kinda dude, i am constantly being asked "so, uh, what kinda music do you play?" anybody got a good, brief descriptionof live looping?? m M a r k C h r i s t e n s e n Cramped Quarters Studio / Jasperpottamus Music i n t e r n e t : murkie@middlebury.edu http://www.middlebury.edu/~mchriste/murkie.html From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Nov 6 22:59:42 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id WAA10917; Fri, 6 Nov 1998 22:59:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 22:59:42 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 22:35:23 -0500 (EST) From: Adam Levin X-Sender: alevin@ari.ari.net To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Subject: Upcoming Dark Aether Project Concerts Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"O_Dkt2.0.JV.l1yGs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2681 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com The Dark Aether Project is: Adam Levin: Warr 8 String Touch Guitar/Loops Yaman Aksu: Fretted and Fretless Guitars/Guitar Synth Brian Griffin: Drums ...and assorted special guests "...jazz-inflected, often minimalistic...foreboding soundscape[s]... classy...offers mature musicianship without pretentiousness." - John Collinge, Progression Magazine "...intense and blistering lead work...amazing loops and shimmering textures that are at once haunting and dreamlike...worthy of attention." - Peter Thelen, Expose 11/7 - TapTech II Seminar/Concert Orion Studios - 2903 Whittington Ave. Baltimore, MD (410)646-7334 with Frank Jolliffe, Three Hour Detour, William Bajzek, Squash, and more. See http://www.darkaether.net/tt2.html for more details on the concert and weekend seminar. 11/14 - World Arts Focus/Joe's Movement Emporium 3802 34th Street Washington DC (Mt Rainier) (301)699-1819 with Fingerpaint (featuring Patrick Smith & Steev Geest) 12/5 - Phantasmagoria - 11319 Elkin St. Wheaton MD (301)949-8886 with Discipline After these gigs we'll finish writing the remainder of the new album and get down to recording it in January. As always, you can visit The Dark Aether Project Web Site at http://www.darkaether.net/ for directions to the venues, news updates, soundbites from the debut CD and more. -Adam --- "...if one strives at hearing for the sake of constant virtue, out of seeking liberation from cyclic existence, gradually one becomes a Hearer." - Chandrakirti T h e D a r k A e t h e r P r o j e c t http://www.darkaether.net/ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Nov 6 23:52:43 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id XAA32170; Fri, 6 Nov 1998 23:52:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 23:52:43 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.02 (298) Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1998 20:45:34 -0700 Subject: Re: Midi footswitch for Echoplex From: "Neil Goldstein" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <1301708653-54586667@imagina.com> Resent-Message-ID: <"rmxyw3.0.gA7.k1zGs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2682 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thanks for the tip. I ordered it from them this morning. Neil Goldstein Portland, Oregon USA ---------- >From: klaw@pop.iglou.com >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Subject: Re: Midi footswitch for Echoplex >Date: Thu, Nov 5, 1998, 6:17 PM > > >___________________________________________________ > > > BTW-PMC 10 with( keypad programmer) good condition $150 -- Music Warehouse >-Louisville Ky 502-456 -4730 > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Nov 7 00:42:27 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id AAA22036; Sat, 7 Nov 1998 00:42:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1998 00:42:27 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "future perfect" To: Subject: Looper Wish List spurned by the Sun Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1998 00:32:17 -0500 Message-ID: <003401be0a0f$fbedb780$02f0ffd0@artmusic> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <1301708653-54586667@imagina.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Resent-Message-ID: <"hPH_M2.0.ob4.ElzGs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2683 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com While doing 2 shows today outside in the Florida sun, I noticed that the EDP's LEDs (hehe) are completely unreadable in sunlight. I have heard of 'non glare' LEDs, but haven't seen them. I didn't realize how much I depend on that display- anyone have any tips on how to read it when in the sun? I have my EDP in a 6 space SKB rack which is full with other gear. It sits on a small stand lower than my chair, so making a 'shield' to block out the sun would effectively block my view of the rack. Thanks! Dave Eichenberger ********************************************************************* 'Future Perfect' - art music http://home1.gte.net/artmusic/ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Nov 7 03:55:20 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id DAA31185; Sat, 7 Nov 1998 03:55:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1998 03:55:20 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Sender: mpeters@csi.com Message-ID: <01BE0A33.104F60C0.mpeters@csi.com> From: Michael Peters To: "'Loopers Delight'" Subject: MPX G2 Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1998 09:42:12 +0100 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-Mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"ZszCW.0.Qw6.-a0Hs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2684 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com has anyone checked out the new Lexicon MPX G2? For how much is it being sold in the US? (It'll be at least 25% more expensive here in Germany.) I was told that this box was designed together with David Torn. Is this true ? * michael peters mpeters@csi.com * "escape veloopity" electronic guitar loop music * http://listen.to/michaelpeters From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Nov 7 07:30:24 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id HAA14393; Sat, 7 Nov 1998 07:30:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1998 07:30:24 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1998 12:18:08 +0000 (GMT) From: Jim Carter To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: that thing you do In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"cq9bO1.0.VS2.hg3Hs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2685 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > being a solo guitar live looper kinda dude, i am constantly being asked > > "so, uh, what kinda music do you play?" > > anybody got a good, brief descriptionof live looping?? > I usually describe my music as techno-trash-blues with a bit of a gamalan feel. I guess tree-hugging-hippie-shit would be just as good. Jim Carter ps - anyone using two echoplexes (echoplicis?) to layer asynchronous loops, rather than single loop in stereo? Something like Phillip Glass Music in Twelve Parts were repetative sequences move slowly move out of phase the generate new counterpoints. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Nov 7 10:04:22 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id KAA06827; Sat, 7 Nov 1998 10:04:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1998 10:04:22 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <36445FE7.87EA0356@texas.net> Date: Sat, 07 Nov 1998 08:57:44 -0600 From: Bobdog Catlin Reply-To: psbuddha@texas.net Organization: Pseudo Buddha/Doghouse Ent. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: 2 loops, not in stereo References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"7Q8ne1.0.JC1.816Hs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2686 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com around the house i've been putting my boomerang in parallel with my echoplex lately, but i haven't gigged w/this setup yet. i tend to loop more ambient sounds than rhythmic figures, so the out-of-phaseness tends to suggest (rip-off?) steve roach more than phil glass. bobdog From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Nov 8 02:24:41 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id CAA10407; Sun, 8 Nov 1998 02:24:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1998 02:24:41 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Dpcoffin@aol.com Message-ID: <3ab16f55.36454432@aol.com> Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1998 02:11:46 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: DJ gear closing in on Loopers Wish List(?) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 84 Resent-Message-ID: <"abfjq2.0.lU1.9IKHs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2687 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >From the most recent Sweetwater "InSync" online newsletter: <> So, I wonder if it can be controlled with a foot switch? dpc From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Nov 8 02:44:02 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id CAA17749; Sun, 8 Nov 1998 02:44:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1998 02:44:02 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Dpcoffin@aol.com Message-ID: <36b4c1e2.364548ad@aol.com> Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1998 02:30:53 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: DJ gear closing in on Loopers Wish List(?) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 84 Resent-Message-ID: <"-b3aI2.0.8E3.nZKHs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2688 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Guess I missed this at the time...there's a picture and press release here (Harmony Central's Summer NAMM news): http://207.126.101.156/Newp/SNAMM98/Sony/MDS-DRE1.html (...footswitches seem unlikely!) dpc From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Nov 8 08:41:49 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id IAA23931; Sun, 8 Nov 1998 08:41:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1998 08:41:49 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19981108093656.00f9ec30@brooknorth.com> X-Sender: howard@brooknorth.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sun, 08 Nov 1998 09:36:56 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Howard Harawitz Subject: Re: DJ gear closing in on Loopers Wish List(?) In-Reply-To: <3ab16f55.36454432@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"CZBXX3.0.aB5.ftPHs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2689 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Roland has a DJ sampler too. In fact there are several of these things on the market by Alesis, Yamaha and others. Does anyone on the list have any comments about using these things and how they compare to delay devices like the EDP for looping? At 02:11 AM 11/8/98 EST, you wrote: >From the most recent Sweetwater "InSync" online newsletter: ><has arrived. It's a MiniDisc-based platform with sampling trigger banks and >all sorts of instant looping and scratching features, including the >obligatory big rubber scratch wheel. Speed and pitch can be adjusted >independent of one another or together via a very simple dual slider >mechanism. The neat thing is that with their ATRAC compression technology >it's easy to record any performance you do right back to a MiniDisc and have >it ready to play instantly - all in real time. An experienced DJ could >really work some magic with this thing. Retail price $1200.>> >So, I wonder if it can be controlled with a foot switch? >dpc > > ========================================================== Howard Harawitz howard@brooknorth.com ========================================================== Brooklyn North Software Works Inc. Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada Telephone: 1-902-423-0257 ========================================================== Check the Halifax Harbor Cam: http://www.brooknorth.com/camsite/ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Nov 8 11:17:54 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id LAA18597; Sun, 8 Nov 1998 11:17:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1998 11:17:54 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <004a01be0b32$2df42d40$add43dc3@termosifone> From: "Salvatore Passaro" To: "Loop" Subject: I too Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1998 17:08:51 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"tjIQW.0.3f3.O8SHs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2690 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I'm waiting for an echoplex from Bananas... ... what I did with mouse I'll do live. Salvatore ;-) From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Nov 8 14:51:59 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id OAA02824; Sun, 8 Nov 1998 14:51:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1998 14:51:59 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1998 13:55:33 -0500 From: Andreas Willers Subject: Re: that thing you do Sender: Andreas Willers To: "INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Message-ID: <199811081355_MC2-5F8C-E54D@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"x5ESH2.0.1R3.SbUHs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2691 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I'm just coming home from this first solo gig with a boomerang AND an EDP= and boy I had some fun. Both units complement each other quite nicely: th= e Rang, although a little noisy, is really straightforward in the thick of improvisation, gives instant reversing and esp. pitched (8va/8vb) loop sounds that can be used attracively to contrast the more architectural (?= , sorry) stuff the EDP can do (with Undo, Multiple, Multiple loops etc.). Too bad I really goofed two times with the EDP, maybe cause I wore quite big shoes on stage and the buttons on that footcontroller are quite small= & close together. Will have to work on that (hope I don't have to get point= ed Tennesean cowboy boots...). On top of that I sometimes forgot the setting= of the feedback level - I remember Matthias recommends using an extra ped= al but well I hate to much stuff on the floor. BTW, I use a TECH 21 MIDI MOUSE to switch the channels on my preamp/fx stuff because it is nice & SMALL (just 3 switches: up, down & 'search'), but for quieter gigs the switches are a drag (to loud!). Does anybody kno= w a unit that is as compact but with quieter switching? Hints are appreciated. Best, Andreas From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Nov 8 18:46:33 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id SAA00799; Sun, 8 Nov 1998 18:46:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1998 18:46:33 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199811081355_MC2-5F8C-E54D@compuserve.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1998 15:00:40 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: that thing you do Resent-Message-ID: <"p2uQE.0.cF4.YHYHs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2692 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 10:55 AM -0800 11/8/98, Andreas Willers wrote: >Too bad I really goofed two times with the EDP, maybe cause I wore quite >big shoes on stage and the buttons on that footcontroller are quite small & >close together. Will have to work on that (hope I don't have to get pointed >Tennesean cowboy boots...). remember, the Undo function on the Echoplex can also undo a mistaken button press (in addition to undoing overdubs). So if you have a great loop going, and you accidently press Record instead of Overdub, don't panic. Tap Undo and the wrong function will be stopped. You will be back where you were before. Well, actually you will be back where you would have been if you hadn't screwed up. The echoplex keeps track of the time passed and puts you back in the right spot, so things stay sync'd up. It works with other functions as well, but record is usually the worst mistake. :-) It is somewhat dependant on memory, as there has to be enough to keep a copy of the old loop while you are mistakenly recording a new one. Usually though, you know you screwed this up right away, and you can Undo it long before your old loop starts getting erased. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Nov 9 01:49:12 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id BAA30195; Mon, 9 Nov 1998 01:49:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1998 01:49:12 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19981109063944.00a997c0@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: gls@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 09 Nov 1998 00:39:44 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Grover Sheffield Subject: EDP Switch-quant function Resent-Message-ID: <"IRLgD2.0.L36.wpeHs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2693 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Kim, Thanks for the reminder on this (below - undo function). I'm now regularly using the EDP during weekly gigs and am very pleased with even my basic use to solo over chord changes. Btw, I'm having trouble learning to record different loops on the fly, then switch them during performance (Ex. Take Five - chorus then a bridge). I'll look the switch-quant function discussion up again and get back in touch if I still can't figure it out. Thanks again... Grover >remember, the Undo function on the Echoplex can also undo a mistaken button >press (in addition to undoing overdubs). So if you have a great loop going, >and you accidently press Record instead of Overdub, don't panic. Tap Undo >and the wrong function will be stopped. You will be back where you were >before. Well, actually you will be back where you would have been if you >hadn't screwed up. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Nov 9 08:25:57 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id IAA29791; Mon, 9 Nov 1998 08:25:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1998 08:25:57 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Texture444@aol.com Message-ID: <156f5b3e.3646e94a@aol.com> Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1998 08:08:26 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: MPX G2 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 161 Resent-Message-ID: <"7qlp42.0.tf5.KckHs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2694 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 11/07/1998 3:54:52 AM, mpeters@csi.com writes: >I was told that this box was designed together with David Torn. Is this >true ? *not* true: while my opinions/comments on the g2 were requested by lexicon, that didn't occur until a mid-to-late 'beta' stage (! unfortunately for me !; oh, to be invited 'in' at the 'alpha' stage.....). g2's looping capabilities are present: rudimentary at best, but: ifyer into programming, this box can *feel/respond* unusually well as a guitar-processor: nice cross-mod possibilities, & very rich filters. best & briefly, dt From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Nov 9 08:59:25 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id IAA10583; Mon, 9 Nov 1998 08:59:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1998 08:59:25 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19981109134016.15137.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [207.94.66.242] From: "Matt Rowe" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: ensoniq dp/pro, anyone? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 09 Nov 1998 05:40:16 PST Resent-Message-ID: <"Naq-43.0.ip.x3lHs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2695 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com hey all, i picked of these up over the weekend. a local guy was unloading it rather cheaply. i thought some of the reverbs were really good, and i noticed that the delays had time-stretching capabilities (yay!), which can be controlled by cc's or an internal lfo! one of the effects is a "looper." however, i'm having trouble getting it to work as one. i've read the manual cover to cover (yes, i really did rtfm) and there's very little info on how the looper works. it looks like it could be really cool, as the time stretch parameter can vary from +1600% to -1600%, where negative values indicate backwards playback. so, does anyone have any experience with this little guy? can anyone offer a hand? i haven't been able to fine much info on the dp/pro beyond what was on harmony-central's review database. thanks, matt The price I pay for free, private email is the following commercial message... ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Nov 9 10:17:03 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id KAA09388; Mon, 9 Nov 1998 10:17:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1998 10:17:03 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <36470209.17E5@mdbs.com> Date: Mon, 09 Nov 1998 09:54:01 -0500 From: "Dennis W. Leas" X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win95; U) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: that thing you do References: <199811081355_MC2-5F8C-E54D@compuserve.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"xilK83.0.bc7.e4mHs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2696 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Andreas Willers wrote: > > I'm just coming home from this first solo gig with a boomerang AND an EDP > and boy I had some fun. Congratulations! Sound like it when really well. > Too bad I really goofed two times with the EDP, maybe cause I wore quite > big shoes on stage and the buttons on that footcontroller are quite small & > close together. Will have to work on that (hope I don't have to get pointed > Tennesean cowboy boots...). I take off my shoes when I loop. Recently, I played outside at a amphitheatre and let me tell ya' my feet got COLD! Fall evenings in Indiana... then it started to drizzle... But the loop goes on. BTW, have you heard the looper version of "100 Bottles of Beer on the Wall"? first verse: 100 bottles of beer on the wall, 100 bottles of beer. Take one down and pass it around, 100 bottle of beer on the wall. second verse: 100 bottles of beer on the wall, 100 bottles of beer. Take one down and pass it around, 100 bottle of beer on the wall. etc, ad nausem. This arrangement usually include audience participation, typically in the form of gunshots. :) - Dennis Leas -- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Nov 9 12:14:55 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id MAA26131; Mon, 9 Nov 1998 12:14:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1998 12:14:55 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19981109102137.008af6b0@wavefront.com> X-Sender: chuck.zwicky@wavefront.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 09 Nov 1998 10:21:37 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Chuck Zwicky Subject: Re: ensoniq dp/pro, anyone? In-Reply-To: <19981109134016.15137.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"TCrcY.0.8j4.7znHs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2698 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I helped ensoniq develop many of the algorhythms for the DP/Pro, mostly the compressors and the de-esser. The 'loop recorder' is not particularly happening, since the unit has only 1.4 seconds of delay. You can assign a footswitch to toggle the delay hold on and off. It is fun to use the speed parameter to replay everything backwards, one octave down. Very surprising stuff. -Chuck Zwicky At 05:40 AM 11/9/98 PST, you wrote: >hey all, > >i picked of these up over the weekend. a local guy was unloading it >rather cheaply. i thought some of the reverbs were really good, and i >noticed that the delays had time-stretching capabilities (yay!), which >can be controlled by cc's or an internal lfo! > >one of the effects is a "looper." however, i'm having trouble getting >it to work as one. i've read the manual cover to cover (yes, i really >did rtfm) and there's very little info on how the looper works. > >it looks like it could be really cool, as the time stretch parameter can >vary from +1600% to -1600%, where negative values indicate backwards >playback. > >so, does anyone have any experience with this little guy? can anyone >offer a hand? i haven't been able to fine much info on the dp/pro >beyond what was on harmony-central's review database. > >thanks, >matt > > > >The price I pay for free, private email is the following commercial >message... > > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Nov 9 12:22:12 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id MAA29274; Mon, 9 Nov 1998 12:22:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1998 12:22:12 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.32.19981109084906.006b7004@popper.simi-valley.tt.slb.com > X-Sender: cavaleri@popper.simi-valley.tt.slb.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Mon, 09 Nov 1998 08:49:08 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Joe Cavaleri Subject: asynchronous loops.. in stereo Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"tTIri3.0.4X3.VonHs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2697 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com hi all, i also create most of my music with this method, but with two jamdudes,in stereo, at this point in time.. my loops tend to be more of the ambient type so the movement of sound is not as upfront. plan to add a couple of echothingies in the near future. 198 sec asynchronous loops.. yeah. take care joe At 12:18 PM 11/7/98 +0000, you wrote: >Jim Carter > >ps - anyone using two echoplexes (echoplicis?) to layer asynchronous >loops, rather than single loop in stereo? Something like Phillip Glass >Music in Twelve Parts were repetative sequences move slowly move >out of phase the generate new counterpoints. > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Nov 9 13:15:54 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id NAA18884; Mon, 9 Nov 1998 13:15:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1998 13:15:54 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19981109095743.00923980@mail.well.com> X-Sender: dog@mail.well.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 09 Nov 1998 09:57:43 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: dan mcmullen Subject: Re: ensoniq dp/pro, anyone? In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19981109102137.008af6b0@wavefront.com> References: <19981109134016.15137.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"9WF_x.0.kZ2.PooHs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2699 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 10:21 AM 11/9/98 -0600, Chuck Zwicky wrote: >I helped ensoniq develop many of the algorhythms for the DP/Pro, mostly the >compressors and the de-esser. The 'loop recorder' is not particularly >happening, since the unit has only 1.4 seconds of delay. You can assign a >footswitch to toggle the delay hold on and off. It is fun to use the speed >parameter to replay everything backwards, one octave down. Very surprising >stuff. does the Pro have the same frustrating 'feature' of the DP/4 std: there is no true 100% feedback setting. between 2 adjacent feedback values, one slowly but surely decays and the next higher slowly overloads? also, trying to use 2 loop delays in parallel for stereo fails because the stop time seen by one may be just a tad different from the other, causing the L & R loops to go out of syncronization. (fwiw, my DP/4 Std is underused and can be had for $450 + COD.) later... dan ___ dan mcmullen, sf, ca, usa don't worry - pay attention mailto:dog@well.com 415.681-0712 pgp fingerprint = 1C70 8D81 6B94 93A9 F2D8 9609 2122 BF70 8619 EDAF From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Nov 9 14:08:58 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id OAA08199; Mon, 9 Nov 1998 14:08:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1998 14:08:58 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <364739D9.37FA@mdbs.com> Date: Mon, 09 Nov 1998 13:52:09 -0500 From: "Dennis W. Leas" X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win95; U) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: that thing you do References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"bkn8E1.0.Cw7.wZpHs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2700 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Jim Carter wrote: > > > being a solo guitar live looper kinda dude, i am constantly being asked > > > > "so, uh, what kinda music do you play?" > > > > anybody got a good, brief descriptionof live looping?? > > > > I usually describe my music as > techno-trash-blues with a bit of a gamalan feel. > I guess tree-hugging-hippie-shit would be just as good. This is a good queston. If I were to be serious, I'd say things like: "live looping" describes the technology, not the musical style. You can use a looper to play a variety of styles. For example, I play structured and unstructured music with loopers. The structured might be Celtic, rock, folk, etc. The unstructured might be ambient, soundscapes, or agressive in-your-face rhythms. If I weren't being serious, I'd say things like: "I play difficult to understand music that most people probably wouldn't like." I've advertised it as "experimental folk music - not for the faint of heart", "Celtic looping", and "sonic sculptures" even "neo-post insidious bebop"; anything to destroy preconceptions. I'm not trying to sound pretentious, it's just that "Talking about music is like dancing about architecture." > ps - anyone using two echoplexes (echoplicis?) to layer asynchronous > loops, rather than single loop in stereo? Something like Phillip Glass > Music in Twelve Parts were repetative sequences move slowly move > out of phase the generate new counterpoints. This is one of my favorite things to do. Usually I use two different loop lengths. Sometimes I "unsynch" the EDPs but try to make the loops the same length for that "phasing" effect. - Dennis Leas -- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Nov 9 16:31:56 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id QAA02752; Mon, 9 Nov 1998 16:31:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1998 16:31:56 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.02 (298) Date: Mon, 09 Nov 1998 13:17:36 -0700 Subject: Re: MPX G2 From: "Neil Goldstein" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <1301476361-68558642@imagina.com> Resent-Message-ID: <"elC5f2.0.H27.ckrHs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2701 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Does this have the exact same effect algorithms as the MPX1, but with the addition of preamp stage and controls? Neil Goldstein Portland, Oregon USA ---------- >From: Texture444@aol.com >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Subject: Re: MPX G2 >Date: Mon, Nov 9, 1998, 6:08 AM > > >In a message dated 11/07/1998 3:54:52 AM, mpeters@csi.com writes: > >>I was told that this box was designed together with David Torn. Is this >>true ? > >*not* true: >while my opinions/comments on the g2 were requested by lexicon, that didn't >occur until a mid-to-late 'beta' stage (! unfortunately for me !; oh, to be >invited 'in' at the 'alpha' stage.....). >g2's looping capabilities are present: rudimentary at best, but: >ifyer into programming, this box can *feel/respond* unusually well as a >guitar-processor: >nice cross-mod possibilities, & very rich filters. >best & briefly, >dt > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Nov 9 16:48:41 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id QAA10117; Mon, 9 Nov 1998 16:48:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1998 16:48:41 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199811092135.NAA07239@mail.eskimo.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: muman@eskimo.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1998 13:34:24 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: EDP Group Purchase Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) Resent-Message-ID: <"T6sMX2.0.271.31sHs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2702 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Greetings, I don't know if I'm the first, but my EDP arrived today. It was purchased through the efforts of a regular member on this list who put together a group buy through Alto Music. Even though I have lost the original post with the member's real name, I would like to publicly acknowledge the efforts of "JMW" who took the time and trouble to put together the Group Buy. I got a great deal ($680 total w/foot pedal, shipping). Again, my apologies for not remembering your name, and thank you! Louis Hesselt-van-Dinter editor Music Uncovered From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Nov 9 17:34:40 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id RAA29255; Mon, 9 Nov 1998 17:34:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1998 17:34:40 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <36476902.4A234718@bellsouth.net> Date: Mon, 09 Nov 1998 17:13:22 -0500 From: Jeff Duke X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.07 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: that thing you do References: <199811081355_MC2-5F8C-E54D@compuserve.com> <36470209.17E5@mdbs.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"8zOUE.0.T_4.wZsHs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2703 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Dennis W. Leas wrote: > Andreas Willers wrote: > > > > I'm just coming home from this first solo gig with a boomerang AND an EDP > > and boy I had some fun. > > > > I take off my shoes when I loop. Recently, I played outside at a amphitheatre and let > me tell ya' my feet got COLD! Fall evenings in Indiana... then it started to > drizzle... But the loop goes on. > How many other loopers play barefoot? I have for over 20 yrs. jeff > > BTW, have you heard the looper version of "100 Bottles of Beer on the Wall"? > > first verse: > 100 bottles of beer on the wall, > 100 bottles of beer. > Take one down and pass it around, > 100 bottle of beer on the wall. > > second verse: > 100 bottles of beer on the wall, > 100 bottles of beer. > Take one down and pass it around, > 100 bottle of beer on the wall. > > etc, ad nausem. > > This arrangement usually include audience participation, typically in the form of > gunshots. :) > > - Dennis Leas > -- > dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Nov 9 17:59:41 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id RAA06640; Mon, 9 Nov 1998 17:59:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1998 17:59:41 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Jim_M_Shepherd@tivoli.com X-Lotus-FromDomain: TIVOLI SYSTEMS To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-ID: <862566B7.007B5AE5.00@MTA-Austin2.tivoli.com> Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1998 17:31:48 -0500 Subject: Re: EDP Group Purchase Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"pKOOo1.0.-O7.OwsHs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2704 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mine arrived as well, Many thanks! Who was that masked man? Jim From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Nov 9 18:30:58 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id SAA19515; Mon, 9 Nov 1998 18:30:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1998 18:30:58 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19981109231034.21687.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [209.64.195.185] From: "ur eye" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: What the..? Attn: Jamman folks! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 09 Nov 1998 15:10:34 PST Resent-Message-ID: <"jq08R3.0.Sr2.dQtHs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2705 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Is this for real? http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Peaks/8541/V0_1_UserGuide.htm ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Nov 9 18:38:12 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id SAA22529; Mon, 9 Nov 1998 18:38:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1998 18:38:12 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 00:27:41 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <199811092327.AAA19845@mail.euroweb.hu> X-Sender: absolute@mail.datanet.hu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: adam davidovics Subject: Re: ensoniq dp/pro, anyone? Resent-Message-ID: <"cgLn01.0.vX4.OgtHs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2706 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hey Chuck! How you got involved with developing on the DP/PRO? What have you done with the compressors? I am very interested. Are you sort of audio engineer? I am the hungarian Ensoniq distributor, and im interested in the history of this product very much. Ensoniq never told me why they stopped producing it so quick. a/d From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Nov 9 18:42:03 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id SAA24091; Mon, 9 Nov 1998 18:42:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1998 18:42:03 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 00:31:41 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <199811092331.AAA23708@mail.euroweb.hu> X-Sender: absolute@mail.datanet.hu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: adam davidovics Subject: Re: EDP Group Purchase Resent-Message-ID: <"gIpIh3.0.Vv4.yjtHs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2707 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > >Even though I have lost the original post with the member's real >name, I would like to publicly acknowledge the efforts of "JMW" who >took the time and trouble to put together the Group Buy. I got a >great deal ($680 total w/foot pedal, shipping). hey! i'd need such too! could you get me one too maybe? a/d From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Nov 9 19:26:03 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id TAA09474; Mon, 9 Nov 1998 19:26:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1998 19:26:03 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.32.19981109155118.006d75a8@popper.simi-valley.tt.slb.com > X-Sender: cavaleri@popper.simi-valley.tt.slb.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Mon, 09 Nov 1998 15:51:19 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Joe Cavaleri Subject: EDP Group Purchase Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"vJqRO.0.UP6.NxtHs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2708 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com for all you folk requesting the original group purchase message. >Ok - I spoke with John at Alto Music here's the deal. > >Here's the Fax number for Alto Music for those whom making a phone call >is inconvenient. > > > >So far it looks like there will be about 12 units, maybe more... > >If you want to get one or more EDP's with or without a pedal do the >following: > >1. Call Alto Music @ (914) 692-6922 10-6pm Monday through Saturday and >ask for John. >Tell him you're calling about ordering an Echoplex as part of the Loopers >Delight Internet mailing list - he's not hip to the listserv thing so be >sure to mention Echoplex & internet in the same sentence and he'll know >what your calling about. > >2 Give him your order info - i.e. How many you want, pedal or not, >address CC#, shipping preference etc. > >NOTE: while they do some mail order they are not setup like Musicians >Friend etc, in that they can say immediately what your freight will be. >You can request that they call you with the exact amount of shipping once >they have determined it. Rest assured that he's a straight up guy & there >won't be any gouging on shipping fees. > >3. Be patient, think Buddha like thoughts, or if you're really advanced, >no thoughts at all. >The units are not in stock. Once he gets a bunch of orders, he'll place >an order with Gibson. When he receives the units they will be sent to you >according to your instructions. The time between when he places the order >& when they arrive is dependent on Gibson, UPS, acts of God, etc. If >Gibson is to be believed regarding stock & turnaround time, I'd guess >that everyone will have their units in 2-3 weeks. >The prices are: > >$560 for EDP w/ 4Mb RAM > >$660 for EDP w/ 4Mb & pedal > >+ shipping ( & tax if you are in NY state) no tax for out of state >sales... > >We didn't discuss a time limit on this offer but I'm sure as long as >people are ordering a moderate amount the price will be good for a couple >of weeks - barring any price changes from Gibson/Oberheim of course. > > >Alright, Let the feeding frenzy begin! > >peace, >JMW > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Nov 9 19:32:06 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id TAA11709; Mon, 9 Nov 1998 19:32:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1998 19:32:06 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19981109160001.0131d730@shell5.ba.best.com> X-Sender: jcooper@shell5.ba.best.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 09 Nov 1998 16:00:01 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: john s cooper Subject: EDP pricing (Re: EDP Group Purchase) In-Reply-To: <199811092135.NAA07239@mail.eskimo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"VmPLE3.0.fH.sCuHs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2710 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 01:34 PM 11/9/98 +0000, muman@eskimo.com wrote: > >Even though I have lost the original post with the member's real >name, I would like to publicly acknowledge the efforts of "JMW" who >took the time and trouble to put together the Group Buy. I got a >great deal ($680 total w/foot pedal, shipping). > wow - seeing this msg inspired me to dig through my old receipts to see how much i paid for my echoplex, because i certainly don't remember paying *that* much! found my receipt, dated 10/3/95 (yeah - 3 years ago, wow!), from Renegade Music in Florida (don't even know if they still exist). the total for the EDP with the foot controller and shipping was $467. did i just get massively lucky, or did Oberheim raised the price by $200?! i know Oberheim stuff is now being manufactured by some other division of Gibson - maybe their cost is higher now. i'm still running the old EDP system firmware - but i can't imagine that the new version adds an extra $200! guess i should have bought stereo EDP's back then, when the price was right!! -john ...................................................... john s cooper opcode systems, inc http://www.planetz.com http://www.opcode.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Nov 9 19:32:44 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id TAA11940; Mon, 9 Nov 1998 19:32:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1998 19:32:44 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19981109185701.007ab3b0@mindspring.com> X-Sender: zanga@mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 09 Nov 1998 18:57:01 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Rik Myers Subject: Re: that thing you do In-Reply-To: <36476902.4A234718@bellsouth.net> References: <199811081355_MC2-5F8C-E54D@compuserve.com> <36470209.17E5@mdbs.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"BfvjE3.0.fK7.w3uHs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2709 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >How many other loopers play barefoot? I have for over 20 yrs. It entirely depends on the gig. I'd never play a lounge show or wedding barefoot. But I've played lots of club stages and outdoor shows barefoot. I let decorum, and sense, dictate. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Nov 9 20:13:01 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id UAA28747; Mon, 9 Nov 1998 20:13:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1998 20:13:01 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19981110005741.00a9682c@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: gls@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 09 Nov 1998 18:57:41 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Grover Sheffield Subject: Re: barefoot EDP players Resent-Message-ID: <"_fME93.0.Qy4.LvuHs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2711 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Yeah, my right foot feels the button better than when I have my shoe on. And it's a good excuse to kick my shoes off (as long as there's no water on stage). >How many other loopers play barefoot? I have for over 20 yrs. >jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Nov 9 20:22:19 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id UAA32657; Mon, 9 Nov 1998 20:22:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1998 20:22:19 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1998 19:10:41 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199811100110.TAA05488@mw2.texas.net> X-Sender: sharkey@mail.texas.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: james rhodes Subject: Re: that thing you do (barefootin) Resent-Message-ID: <"WbiPv2.0.Yr6.lAvHs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2712 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 06:57 PM 11/9/98 -0800, you wrote: >>How many other loopers play barefoot? I have for over 20 yrs. > >It entirely depends on the gig. I'd never play a lounge show or wedding >barefoot. But I've played lots of club stages and outdoor shows barefoot. I >let decorum, and sense, dictate. > > >i play shoeless,,quite often...it is nessecary when triggering my jamman or plex footpedal.since any sync-ing between the two, requires precise initiation.. in the human realm otherwise i would wear footgear,,,been zapped too many times as a youth, not to james From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Nov 9 20:36:08 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id UAA05791; Mon, 9 Nov 1998 20:36:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1998 20:36:08 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19981110012142.22368.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [209.64.195.185] From: "ur eye" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: that thing you do MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 09 Nov 1998 17:21:41 PST Resent-Message-ID: <"VfeAP.0.u.VLvHs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2713 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I believe that quote goes "dancing 'to' architecture", one of professor Enos' good ones..... ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Nov 9 20:42:42 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id UAA08531; Mon, 9 Nov 1998 20:42:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1998 20:42:42 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <364797AE.20DC983C@bellsouth.net> Date: Mon, 09 Nov 1998 20:32:30 -0500 From: Jeff Duke X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.07 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: barefoot EDP players References: <1.5.4.32.19981110005741.00a9682c@pop.mindspring.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"sKsqO2.0.501.RUvHs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2714 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Or spilled beer and I don't want to know what else from the thrash band that plays before you. I started wearing these socks that my wife made toes into so I can still twiddle knobs with my toes. jeff Grover Sheffield wrote: > Yeah, my right foot feels the button better than when I have my shoe on. > And it's a good excuse to kick my shoes off (as long as there's no water on > stage). > > > >How many other loopers play barefoot? I have for over 20 yrs. > >jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Nov 9 21:22:37 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id VAA25142; Mon, 9 Nov 1998 21:22:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1998 21:22:37 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1998 20:35:25 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: patrick@his.com (Patrick Smith) Subject: Re: EDP Group Purchase Resent-Message-ID: <"V7H5K1.0.Ki4.X0wHs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2715 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Received mine also. I believe it is John we should be thanking....here's his e-mail address: evening Patrick Now Available: FingerPaint Primary Colors: BLUE "can be edgy and intense as well as relaxing...." FAQT Shockwave audio featuring our newest release Primary Colors:Blue www.fingerpaint.net From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Nov 9 21:25:56 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id VAA26455; Mon, 9 Nov 1998 21:25:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1998 21:25:56 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1998 20:39:49 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: patrick@his.com (Patrick Smith) Subject: NG for intrument builders Resent-Message-ID: <"w_bEY1.0.s85.b4wHs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2716 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com For those of you who build and tinker with these toys we all love I just saw this new ng show up on my newsreader. Thought some of you would ne interested. news.admin.music.makers.builders Patrick Now Available: FingerPaint Primary Colors: BLUE "can be edgy and intense as well as relaxing...." FAQT Shockwave audio featuring our newest release Primary Colors:Blue www.fingerpaint.net From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Nov 9 21:44:16 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id VAA01424; Mon, 9 Nov 1998 21:44:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1998 21:44:16 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: dmgraph@mail.earthlink.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199811100110.TAA05488@mw2.texas.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1998 21:28:52 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: David Myers Subject: barefootin Resent-Message-ID: <"mP1Yu3.0.Uq6._JwHs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2717 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I remember seeing Paul Dresher (one of the premier loopers for sure) with his guitar goodies/four track deck looping gear about 10-12 years back. He had about 24 (metallic and homemade-looking) volume pedals and I could see that he was getting pretty sensitive control via the footgearless method. He had a large asian-style woven mat under these and himself, which I assumed kept his toesies from getting grounded to the concrete.... >At 06:57 PM 11/9/98 -0800, you wrote: >>>How many other loopers play barefoot? I have for over 20 yrs. >> >>It entirely depends on the gig. I'd never play a lounge show or wedding >>barefoot. But I've played lots of club stages and outdoor shows barefoot. I >>let decorum, and sense, dictate. >> >> >>i play shoeless,,quite often...it is nessecary when triggering my jamman or >plex footpedal.since any sync-ing >between the two, requires precise initiation.. in the human realm > >otherwise i would wear footgear,,,been zapped too many times as a youth, >not to >james From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Nov 9 21:50:11 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id VAA03845; Mon, 9 Nov 1998 21:50:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1998 21:50:11 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19981109223935.0115d940@brooknorth.com> X-Sender: howard@brooknorth.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 09 Nov 1998 22:39:35 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Howard Harawitz Subject: Re: EDP Group Purchase In-Reply-To: <199811092135.NAA07239@mail.eskimo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"gnRjI1.0.g4.XVwHs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2718 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I received my Echoplex from Alto this morning also -- and it had to spend some time at Canada Customs first. Thanks John (evening@ulster.net) for setting that up. All the best, Howard At 01:34 PM 11/9/98 +0000, you wrote: >Greetings, >I don't know if I'm the first, but my EDP arrived today. It was >purchased through the efforts of a regular member on this list who >put together a group buy through Alto Music. > >Even though I have lost the original post with the member's real >name, I would like to publicly acknowledge the efforts of "JMW" who >took the time and trouble to put together the Group Buy. I got a >great deal ($680 total w/foot pedal, shipping). > >Again, my apologies for not remembering your name, and thank you! > > >Louis Hesselt-van-Dinter >editor >Music Uncovered > > ========================================================== Howard Harawitz howard@brooknorth.com ========================================================== Brooklyn North Software Works Inc. Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada Telephone: 1-902-423-0257 ========================================================== Check the Halifax Harbor Cam: http://www.brooknorth.com/camsite/ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Nov 9 23:42:04 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id XAA16023; Mon, 9 Nov 1998 23:42:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1998 23:42:04 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Jim_M_Shepherd@tivoli.com X-Lotus-FromDomain: TIVOLI SYSTEMS To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-ID: <862566B8.00184A69.00@MTA-Austin2.tivoli.com> Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1998 23:32:53 -0500 Subject: New EDP... no RAM! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"VlX0l1.0.d63.r8yHs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2719 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hey all, Any one else get a new EDP with absolutely NO RAM in it??? The fault is certainly not with Alto Music, the unit arrived in the original box from Oberhiem, with my address slapped over Alto's. I can't believe that they would ship units out of the factory without ensuring that they had the normal complement of RAM. Sheesh. If any of you from Oberhiem/Gibson are subscribing to this list, a hale and hearty PFTTTTTTTHB!!!!! to you in spades! harumph! May your guitars spontaneously detune! There, I feel better. Luckily, I had 4 old 1 meg simms left from a salvaged '386 so I still get my instant gratification. You get some interesting effects when you've got a loop sync'd and then push the reverse button on the slave unit. Do this a couple of times on the slave and the two loops go out of phase. Very cool! Jim From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 10 00:46:35 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id AAA08663; Tue, 10 Nov 1998 00:46:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 00:46:35 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3647D3CE.7B66@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 09 Nov 1998 21:49:04 -0800 From: scott kungha drengsen X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-MACOS8 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: barefootin References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"dF7OR1.0.MG1.r4zHs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2720 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I always loop barefoot.It seems the best approach for me. But,2 nights ago I saw Michael Manring using a pair of Jammans with their original pedals and working them with these HUGE!(but stylish)boots.It was nearly as impressive as anything else he did during a really incredible solo performance. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 10 02:11:10 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id CAA08998; Tue, 10 Nov 1998 02:11:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 02:11:10 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: aden@pop.ne.mediaone.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 01:50:20 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Aden Evens Subject: echoplex and noise Resent-Message-ID: <"C3lrv1.0.c5.79-Hs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2721 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I just got my new echoplex too. Seems like a great unit. It checked out fine on arrival. However, after I installed new RAM, it now generates constant internal self-noise. That is, even with feedback turned all the way down, the feedback light stays aglow, and recording even a silent input yields a loop of fairly loud (though not overwhelmingly loud) white noise. It does record from the input if I play something into it, it just sums it with the static to create a loop with a s/n ratio of 1:1. I have had extensive experience installing RAM and other components into computer equipment and other static-sensitive devices, and I took all appropriate precautions when installing the RAM, and had no notable problems. The 'plex now indicates the full 198 secs of loop time, so it seems to be recognizing all the RAM. Where is all the fucking noise coming from, and how do I get rid of it? Thanks, ### ## ### Aden ### ## ### From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 10 02:28:37 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id CAA16085; Tue, 10 Nov 1998 02:28:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 02:28:37 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19981110011529.007e1990@wavefront.com> X-Sender: chuck.zwicky@wavefront.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 01:15:29 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Chuck Zwicky Subject: Re: ensoniq dp/pro, anyone? In-Reply-To: <199811092327.AAA19845@mail.euroweb.hu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"7EVCY2.0.Gu2.hY-Hs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2722 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Ensoniq pulled the plug on what I consider to be one of the nicest processors ever, due to lack of promotion. In retrospect, they admit that naming it the DP/pro was a mistake, because people assumed that it was merely a repackaged DP/2. There is a parameter in the delays called cross regeneration which is calibrated in degrees. It can provide the nicest rhythmic panning effects and really creates some beautiful swimming textures in the delay trails. There is nothing like that anywhere else. -Chuck At 12:27 AM 11/10/98 +0100, you wrote: >Hey Chuck! > >How you got involved with developing on the DP/PRO? >What have you done with the compressors? I am very interested. >Are you sort of audio engineer? > >I am the hungarian Ensoniq distributor, and im interested in the >history of this product very much. > >Ensoniq never told me why they stopped producing it so quick. > > > >a/d > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 10 02:59:20 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id CAA28269; Tue, 10 Nov 1998 02:59:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 02:59:20 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: aden@pop.ne.mediaone.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 02:46:46 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Aden Evens Subject: echoplex and noise addendum Resent-Message-ID: <"zgkAF2.0.Yk5._z-Hs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2724 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com After much experimentation, I have verified that all the RAM is OK. That is, if I replace either bank (pair) with the original 1MB SIMMs that came with the unit, then the 'plex works fine, reporting the correct 122 secs of loop time. It is only when I try to use all four 4 MB SIMMs at once that I get this self-noise problem. Eh bien? Aden >I just got my new echoplex too. Seems like a great unit. It checked out >fine on arrival. However, after I installed new RAM, it now generates >constant internal self-noise. That is, even with feedback turned all the >way down, the feedback light stays aglow, and recording even a silent input >yields a loop of fairly loud (though not overwhelmingly loud) white noise. >It does record from the input if I play something into it, it just sums it >with the static to create a loop with a s/n ratio of 1:1. > >I have had extensive experience installing RAM and other components into >computer equipment and other static-sensitive devices, and I took all >appropriate precautions when installing the RAM, and had no notable >problems. The 'plex now indicates the full 198 secs of loop time, so it >seems to be recognizing all the RAM. > >Where is all the fucking noise coming from, and how do I get rid of it? > >Thanks, > > > ### ## ### > Aden > ### ## ### From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 10 03:00:12 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id DAA28647; Tue, 10 Nov 1998 03:00:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 03:00:12 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Reply-To: From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: Subject: Mass Purchase Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1998 23:43:32 -0800 Message-ID: <000d01be0c7d$d2edd5c0$d43fdacf@stepheng> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.19981110005741.00a9682c@pop.mindspring.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Resent-Message-ID: <"dWClX1.0.pT5.Sx-Hs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2723 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I'm starting to feel sorry I didn't have the moolah to cough up when this offer came along, since in a small amount of time I'll be upgrading to Pentium land, and retiring four 4-meg SIMMs in the process. Stephen Goodman  -  It's... The Loop Of The Week(Bob Kane)! EarthLight Studios  -  http://www.earthlight.net/Studios From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 10 04:35:17 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id EAA05956; Tue, 10 Nov 1998 04:35:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 04:35:17 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3647F844.C76EB49D@musician.org> Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 01:24:44 -0700 From: eric potter Reply-To: eric@musician.org Organization: Hog Wild Music and Sound FX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: that thing you do... in socks References: <199811081355_MC2-5F8C-E54D@compuserve.com> <36470209.17E5@mdbs.com> <36476902.4A234718@bellsouth.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"yRx-p1.0.CG.5N0Is"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2725 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I'm a White Sox player. If it's hot I'll shed 'em, but almost never wear shoes, especially iin heavy looping while seated situations. I don't mean to brag, but I've got great toes, almost like little fiingers for tweaking pedal settiings. I even use the clunky Jam Man plastic pedal, cause it works fine with the big toe. But the Boomerang switches are a joy for any toe. eric p echo park Jeff Duke wrote: > Dennis W. Leas wrote: > > > Andreas Willers wrote: > > > > > > I'm just coming home from this first solo gig with a boomerang AND an EDP > > > and boy I had some fun. > > > > > > > > I take off my shoes when I loop. Recently, I played outside at a amphitheatre and let > > me tell ya' my feet got COLD! Fall evenings in Indiana... then it started to > > drizzle... But the loop goes on. > > > > How many other loopers play barefoot? I have for over 20 yrs. > jeff > > > > > BTW, have you heard the looper version of "100 Bottles of Beer on the Wall"? > > > > first verse: > > 100 bottles of beer on the wall, > > 100 bottles of beer. > > Take one down and pass it around, > > 100 bottle of beer on the wall. > > > > second verse: > > 100 bottles of beer on the wall, > > 100 bottles of beer. > > Take one down and pass it around, > > 100 bottle of beer on the wall. > > > > etc, ad nausem. > > > > This arrangement usually include audience participation, typically in the form of > > gunshots. :) > > > > - Dennis Leas > > -- > > dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 10 08:15:45 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id IAA24387; Tue, 10 Nov 1998 08:15:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 08:15:45 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3648392B.380E5295@vete.ucl.ac.be> Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 14:01:34 +0100 From: Malhomme Reply-To: malhomme@vete.ucl.ac.be X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [fr] (Macintosh; I; PPC) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Memory and EDP's future References: <199811100716.CAA11111@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Ye9F92.0.-H4.nX3Is"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2726 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Given the price of memory now days, can one expects to see a next version of EDP's soft to accept, say, 4*64 Mb of memory? It would allow undo to death, and more felexibilty. I guess that when designing the machine, memory price was an issue to consider, but now? Olivier Malhomme From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 10 08:23:21 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id IAA27581; Tue, 10 Nov 1998 08:23:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 08:23:21 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199811101313.IAA20893@ulster.net> Subject: RE: DP Pro.... Date: Tue, 10 Nov 98 08:09:33 -0500 x-sender: evening@pop.ulster.net x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: evening To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <"u4Yzc.0._V5.jj3Is"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2727 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I really dig the Ensoniq effects boxes - I've got 2 DP4's & one DP Pro....awesome units The loop time IS short... but can be put to good effect especially when using the speed parameter - but there is no speed parameter on the DP4 looping algorhythm. Does anyone know if the DP4+ has the speed parameter for the looping delay? Also, I really wish that the regeneration/feedback was infinite, having the loops degrade over time is sometimes interesting but not always... I recently considered getting a Paris system just to use the FX - 8 stereo/16 mono DP Pro quality algorhythms but at $2500 and with no loopers, distortion or wacky FX (just verbs, echoes & the like) it just wouldn't be worth it for me... jmw From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 10 08:55:38 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id IAA07886; Tue, 10 Nov 1998 08:55:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 08:55:38 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199811101324.IAA21673@ulster.net> Subject: EDP Group Buy : you're quite welcome Date: Tue, 10 Nov 98 08:20:18 -0500 x-sender: evening@pop.ulster.net x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: evening To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <"Ho2_A1.0.Hb6.ot3Is"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2728 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fellow Loopers, I dropped by Alto Music yesterday and was told that over 15 units were shipped, with more orders on the way.... whatta a voracious bunch! To everyone who expressed thanks: You are welcome. Needless to say ( but I'll say it anyway) the owner was smiling ear to ear as he asked "Do you belong to any other lists?" For those who asked, the price is still good and they'd be glad to sell more - email me if you need the contact info. I'd encourage everyone to check Alto Music out when your shopping for gear - they always do me right. RE : price I believe that Gibson has raised the prices on everything in the last couple of years - including the echoplex. I spoke with a friend who paid ~$500 with the pedal about 3 years ago as well. Last year the list price of certain Steinberger models went up $1100! Total bummer about the the lack of RAM in the EDP - hopefully it was just a fluke... happy looping, best From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 10 09:52:43 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id JAA31702; Tue, 10 Nov 1998 09:52:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 09:52:43 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <2C396693FBDED111AEF60000F84104A71A65DB@indyexch_fddi.indy.tce.com> From: Hoover Alan To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: that thing you do Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 09:36:37 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <"h1uhZ.0.aB6.J-4Is"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2729 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hopefully, all of you barefoot players carry around and stand on a mat made of non-conductive rubber! As an electrical engineer, I have a deep-down imbedded instinct tnat makes me feel the adrenaline of fear whenever I read something like this!! Having felt numerous low-level currents flow through my body when touching various pieces of electronic equipment *while wearing shoes*, and occasional not-so-low-level currents, I have to say "be careful!" Especially outdoors!! You're playing Russian Roulette! -----Original Message----- From: Rik Myers [mailto:zanga@mindspring.com] Sent: Monday, November 09, 1998 9:57 PM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: that thing you do >How many other loopers play barefoot? I have for over 20 yrs. It entirely depends on the gig. I'd never play a lounge show or wedding barefoot. But I've played lots of club stages and outdoor shows barefoot. I let decorum, and sense, dictate. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 10 10:48:55 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id KAA22437; Tue, 10 Nov 1998 10:48:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 10:48:55 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Jim_M_Shepherd@tivoli.com X-Lotus-FromDomain: TIVOLI SYSTEMS To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-ID: <862566B8.00547977.00@MTA-Austin2.tivoli.com> Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 10:29:47 -0500 Subject: Re: EDP Group Buy : you're quite welcome Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"7nOJV3.0.Rj3.Sn5Is"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2730 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I hope so too, not everyone has an old junked '386 sitting around gathering dust. I experienced fortune in the mist of (minor) misfortune. The really beautiful thing about this whole experience was the level of trust everyone has had with each other. Think about it: Calling a place, sight unseen, at the recommendation of someone on the net that you may never have met in person. In a darker world, this could have been a perfect setup to steal credit card numbers...or worse. Don't underestimate what has just happened. These moments of honesty and light are fewer and farther between than any of us would like to admit. I'm really happy to have been a part of it. thanks again, Jim evening on 11/10/98 08:20:18 AM Total bummer about the the lack of RAM in the EDP - hopefully it was just a fluke... happy looping, best From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 10 11:10:55 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id LAA31898; Tue, 10 Nov 1998 11:10:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 11:10:55 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3648630E.42B2@mdbs.com> Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 11:00:14 -0500 From: "Dennis W. Leas" X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win95; U) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: echoplex and noise addendum References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"KokGo2.0.kG6.g86Is"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2731 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Man, that's a weird problem! I remember somebody mentioning that one of the screws on the EDP case is shorter than the others. If you replace that screw with one of the longer ones, then the longer screw may touch a transformer core with causes induced noise. I doubt that this is your problem but it's worth checking. - Dennis Leas -- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 10 11:29:55 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id LAA07450; Tue, 10 Nov 1998 11:29:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 11:29:55 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19981110121516.010690d0@brooknorth.com> X-Sender: howard@brooknorth.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 12:15:16 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Howard Harawitz Subject: My First Time In-Reply-To: <199811101324.IAA21673@ulster.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"oOGvT3.0.ny7.gN6Is"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2732 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi Loopers, I plugged into my brand new Echoplex (purchased via the list group buy) for the first time. Having barely looked at the manual, I've just been trying things with my keyboard and a MIDI wind instrument (Yamaha WX5) connected to a monophonic synth (Yamaha VL70m) -- incredible. This thing is deep. The earth moved! Cheers, Howard ========================================================== Howard Harawitz howard@brooknorth.com ========================================================== Brooklyn North Software Works Inc. Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada Telephone: 1-902-423-0257 ========================================================== Check the Halifax Harbor Cam: http://www.brooknorth.com/camsite/ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 10 12:21:57 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id MAA29767; Tue, 10 Nov 1998 12:21:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 12:21:57 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: From: "Scott Johnson (CAN)" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: EDP Group Buy : you're quite welcome Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 11:53:48 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"DI5Tf1.0.8P4.U_6Is"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2733 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I've just got to add my .02 cents as well. I've been lurking on this list pretty much since its inception, and have been consistently pleased with the calibre of individuals participating. The discussions have been (in most cases *grin*) very useful and interesting. Now I finally had enough disposable income to particiapte in the recent "group buy" and am anxiously awaiting my EDP up here in Canada. I certainly had no reservations about participating, and entering the realm of 'hardcore' looping *smile* My thanks as well! Scott -----Original Message----- From: Jim_M_Shepherd@tivoli.com [mailto:Jim_M_Shepherd@tivoli.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 1998 10:30 AM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: EDP Group Buy : you're quite welcome I hope so too, not everyone has an old junked '386 sitting around gathering dust. I experienced fortune in the mist of (minor) misfortune. The really beautiful thing about this whole experience was the level of trust everyone has had with each other. Think about it: Calling a place, sight unseen, at the recommendation of someone on the net that you may never have met in person. In a darker world, this could have been a perfect setup to steal credit card numbers...or worse. Don't underestimate what has just happened. These moments of honesty and light are fewer and farther between than any of us would like to admit. I'm really happy to have been a part of it. thanks again, Jim From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 10 13:36:36 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id NAA28135; Tue, 10 Nov 1998 13:36:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 13:36:36 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <36488696.2C0A1D7B@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 10:31:53 -0800 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: barefootin References: <3647D3CE.7B66@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"WH8dp3.0.ng5.jI8Is"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2734 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com scott kungha drengsen wrote: > I always loop barefoot.It seems the best approach for me. But,2 nights > ago I saw Michael Manring using a pair of Jammans with their original > pedals and working them with these HUGE!(but stylish)boots.It was nearly > as impressive as anything else he did during a really incredible solo > performance. yeah, i noticed our dear herr fripp with the massive boot action at HOB a few years ago (i think footpedals gain a certain respect for that...), didn't seem to hinder the course of events much... lance g. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 10 13:40:41 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id NAA29842; Tue, 10 Nov 1998 13:40:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 13:40:41 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3648869E.486EAB3B@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 10:32:01 -0800 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: that thing you do References: <19981110012142.22368.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"7_dhW1.0.-h5.qI8Is"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2735 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com ur eye wrote: > I believe that quote goes "dancing 'to' architecture", one of professor > Enos' good ones..... > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com yo, i thought it were laurie anderson (?) lance g. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 10 14:32:57 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id OAA18975; Tue, 10 Nov 1998 14:32:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 14:32:57 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 11:18:05 -0800 Message-ID: <0014E2B3.C21407@wj.com> From: Mike.Biffle@wj.com (Mike Biffle) Subject: Barefeet and that Vooduu... To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Resent-Message-ID: <"fEghr3.0.nS3.k89Is"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2736 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com BAREFEET... This barefootin' thing gives me the willies... I played with a bassist for years who was a barefoot free spirit kind of guy and I was always at least a little concerned... I'm more of the Alan-Hoover-yer-skatin'-on-thin-ice attitude about it. There's serious voltage in the room and you should protect yourself! THAT HOODOO... That thing we do is very hard to quantify isn't it?.. It was mentioned that looping is the tool, not the style, and I agree with that... While I might stumble frequently into ambient territory, I'm just as likely to sound like osterized-hell-in-a-vice and solo loudly and relentlessly, searching for my most obnoxious tones... I have no idea what to call the style because it's so ephemeral. It would almost be a relief to *choose* a more defined genre and adhere to it somewhat, but I'm not quite doing that *yet*. It's still a concern of mine that an audience wants to see creation / inception of some sort and will begin to suspect subterfuge if they hear *far* more than they can account for with their own senses. That can happen very quickly with looping, so I'm looking for that happy mean which can still communicate without disorienting or alienating those present. (I'm talking about those who would already be *stylistically* interested in the first place.) As looping grows as a specific genre maybe more listeners will relate to the actual practice, making it easier for us to describe how we *create* the form which the music rests upon. So what is it that I do?.. Guitarcentric-Techno-Improv-Space-Music... Any suggestions as to a more venue/audience friendly description? Best Regards, -Miko -------------------------------------------------------------------- Miko Biffle "And I am running scared... mike.biffle@wj.com "From all the usual distractions!" From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 10 15:38:33 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id PAA13771; Tue, 10 Nov 1998 15:38:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 15:38:33 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19981110162955.0105e570@brooknorth.com> X-Sender: howard@brooknorth.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 16:29:55 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Howard Harawitz Subject: EDP - Overdub Mode Question Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"Vqxdc.0.YG2.u6AIs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2737 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi, My new EDP seems to be stuck in a mode where Overdub mode is ON (that is, whatever I play is recorded over the material in the loop) when the overdub light is green, and off (what I play is not recorded) when it is red. From my reading of the manual, this is opposite to what it should be. What have I done and how can I get back to Overdub's original mode of operation? Thanks, Howard ========================================================== Howard Harawitz howard@brooknorth.com ========================================================== Brooklyn North Software Works Inc. Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada Telephone: 1-902-423-0257 ========================================================== Check the Halifax Harbor Cam: http://www.brooknorth.com/camsite/ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 10 15:47:42 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id PAA17545; Tue, 10 Nov 1998 15:47:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 15:47:42 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <0014E2B3.C21407@wj.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 13:38:18 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Edwin Hurwitz Subject: Re: Barefeet and that Vooduu... Resent-Message-ID: <"cm0iX1.0.t93.BFAIs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2738 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com As a looping bassist, my music gets referred to as "Bass Realms." As far as the barefoot thing goes, I am way too suspicious of potential potentials, if you get my current drift! Edwin Edwin Hurwitz Boulder CO http://www.indra.com/~edwin From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 10 16:10:35 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id QAA27291; Tue, 10 Nov 1998 16:10:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 16:10:35 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <2.2.32.19981110204943.0084fdf0@pop.chromatic.com> X-Sender: kflint@pop.chromatic.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 12:49:43 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: EDP - Overdub Mode Question Resent-Message-ID: <"qeGFw3.0.MZ5.FbAIs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2739 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com you have the Loop/Delay parameter set to "delay". In that mode it acts more like a traditional delay, with the Overdub button becoming a "hold" function. Set the Loop/Delay parameter back to "Loop" and it will act as you expect. (actually, that value is "LOP" on the display...) kim At 04:29 PM 11/10/98 -0400, you wrote: >Hi, > >My new EDP seems to be stuck in a mode where Overdub mode is ON (that is, >whatever I play is recorded over the material in the loop) when the overdub >light is green, and off (what I play is not recorded) when it is red. From >my reading of the manual, this is opposite to what it should be. > >What have I done and how can I get back to Overdub's original mode of >operation? > >Thanks, > >Howard >========================================================== >Howard Harawitz howard@brooknorth.com >========================================================== >Brooklyn North Software Works Inc. >Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada >Telephone: 1-902-423-0257 >========================================================== >Check the Halifax Harbor Cam: http://www.brooknorth.com/camsite/ > > > _________________________________________________________ Kim Flint, MTS kflint@chromatic.com Chromatic Research 408-752-9284 http://www.chromatic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 10 17:16:30 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id RAA22137; Tue, 10 Nov 1998 17:16:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 17:16:30 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 13:57:56 -0800 Message-ID: <0014E58E.C21407@wj.com> From: Mike.Biffle@wj.com (Mike Biffle) Subject: Re[2]: Barefeet and that Vooduu... To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, Edwin Hurwitz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Resent-Message-ID: <"Ip0G61.0.--3.dVBIs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2740 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >As a looping bassist, my music gets referred to as "Bass Realms." I like that a lot... descriptive without unnecessary effort! best, -Miko From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 10 19:09:45 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id TAA03823; Tue, 10 Nov 1998 19:09:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 19:09:45 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19981110195540.0105bd50@brooknorth.com> X-Sender: howard@brooknorth.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 19:55:40 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Howard Harawitz Subject: Re: EDP - Overdub Mode Question In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.19981110204943.0084fdf0@pop.chromatic.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"5_Eb33.0.NT7.v9DIs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2741 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi Kim, Thanks for the quick response. RE: >you have the Loop/Delay parameter set to "delay". In that mode it acts more >like a traditional delay, with the Overdub button becoming a "hold" >function. That explains it. It's a useful mode, but not the one I was interested in. The fix worked. I didn't realize that I had changed that parameter. But, then again, I have been fiddling with just about everything. Oh, well... Back to overlapping layers of ethereal choirs... I really like this machine. Regards, Howard At 12:49 PM 11/10/98 -0800, you wrote: >you have the Loop/Delay parameter set to "delay". In that mode it acts more >like a traditional delay, with the Overdub button becoming a "hold" >function. Set the Loop/Delay parameter back to "Loop" and it will act as you >expect. (actually, that value is "LOP" on the display...) > >kim > > >At 04:29 PM 11/10/98 -0400, you wrote: >>Hi, >> >>My new EDP seems to be stuck in a mode where Overdub mode is ON (that is, >>whatever I play is recorded over the material in the loop) when the overdub >>light is green, and off (what I play is not recorded) when it is red. From >>my reading of the manual, this is opposite to what it should be. >> >>What have I done and how can I get back to Overdub's original mode of >>operation? >> >>Thanks, >> >>Howard >>========================================================== >>Howard Harawitz howard@brooknorth.com >>========================================================== >>Brooklyn North Software Works Inc. >>Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada >>Telephone: 1-902-423-0257 >>========================================================== >>Check the Halifax Harbor Cam: http://www.brooknorth.com/camsite/ >> >> >> >_________________________________________________________ >Kim Flint, MTS kflint@chromatic.com >Chromatic Research 408-752-9284 >http://www.chromatic.com > > ========================================================== Howard Harawitz howard@brooknorth.com ========================================================== Brooklyn North Software Works Inc. Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada Telephone: 1-902-423-0257 ========================================================== Check the Halifax Harbor Cam: http://www.brooknorth.com/camsite/ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 10 22:33:01 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id WAA20774; Tue, 10 Nov 1998 22:33:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 22:33:01 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: The Unit Circle Message-Id: <199811110310.WAA04620@keys.com> Subject: Re: Bass loopage To: nyfac2@nyfac.com Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 22:10:39 -0500 (EST) Cc: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com In-Reply-To: <363DD08B.3AB99985@nyfac.com> from "Trevor D. Bajus, purveyor of the new rock" at Nov 2, 98 10:32:28 am Content-Type: text Resent-Message-ID: <"IUlkc2.0.6y2.T1GIs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2742 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I also play something similar with my bass and my Boomerang. There are a bunch of different tricks I've used. I like doing a low loop, dropping the speed to half (to drop everything down) and then solo on top of it. I do the same in reverse also (record at half speed and then speed it up). I also like to switch instruments. I'll drop something into the loop with my normal bass (or cello) and then add stuff into the loop with my 8 string or fretless, but that kind of stuff is a pain live, I mostly do it in the studio. hopes it gives you some ideas.... Kevin > > How many bass players are there out there kicking out the dope loops, > yo? > > I just started playing bass with this dreampop band called Aerial Love > Feed (sounds kind of like Lush covering My Bloody Valentine songs with > Will Hegge on bass and Dave Grohl on drums. > > Anyhow, anyone have any tips on keeping the sound on the loops clear? I > would imagine my bass rig would make many cringe- here it is: > > '69 Fender Musicmaster bass > > Trainor YB4 bass amp with the hole in the speaker big enough to fit two > fingers into > > a rotating array of pedals including but not limited to > MXR microamp > Small Stone Phaser > Boss PS-3 pitchshifter/delay > Big Muff. > > I'm worried the tone might get a little muddy. Any thoughts? > > Plus: when looping bass, how do you build your loops? Do you start with > a high rhythmic figure, with a shifting bassline underneath? A solid > bassline loop and countermelody on top? > > tdb > > > -- > Would you like fries with that? > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 10 22:39:15 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id WAA23526; Tue, 10 Nov 1998 22:39:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 22:39:15 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: The Unit Circle Message-Id: <199811110327.WAA05090@keys.com> Subject: help finding a Peavey PC1600X To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 22:27:48 -0500 (EST) Content-Type: text Resent-Message-ID: <"PwLDP1.0.be4.SHGIs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2743 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com hey, none of my local stores or catalogs that I see have peavey MIDI Gear. Also Peavey has a policy of not allowing on-line sales. The upshot of which is that I can't get this thing. Does anyone know of a place with mailorder that sells it? thanks! Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 11 02:21:21 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id CAA13167; Wed, 11 Nov 1998 02:21:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 02:21:21 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <36494540.89EA36BA@magelang.com> Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 00:05:20 -0800 From: Jim Coker Reply-To: jcoker@magelang.com Organization: Magelang Institute X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: MPX G2 References: <1301476361-68558642@imagina.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"8-D5V3.0.Z01.7OJIs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2744 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I got a peek at the manual at the AES show. Lots of modulation options (incl. vortex A/B type stuff) and sources (lfos, envelope follower, etc.) and *two* effects paths, one for pre-distortion/preamp effects (wah), and one for post-distortion/preamp effects. Didn't get to hear it though, some bloke had messed up the demo guitar. *sigh* There is a looping delay built in, but there are some limitations on how effects can be combined. Jim Neil Goldstein wrote: > > Does this have the exact same effect algorithms as the MPX1, but with the > addition of preamp stage and controls? > > Neil Goldstein > Portland, Oregon USA > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 11 05:59:18 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id FAA04295; Wed, 11 Nov 1998 05:59:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 05:59:18 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 02:28:26 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: echoplex and noise Resent-Message-ID: <"xg-8B.0.ek7.mgMIs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2746 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 10:50 PM -0800 11/9/98, Aden Evens wrote: >I just got my new echoplex too. Seems like a great unit. It checked out >fine on arrival. However, after I installed new RAM, it now generates >constant internal self-noise. That is, even with feedback turned all the >way down, the feedback light stays aglow, and recording even a silent input >yields a loop of fairly loud (though not overwhelmingly loud) white noise. >It does record from the input if I play something into it, it just sums it >with the static to create a loop with a s/n ratio of 1:1. hmm, bizzare problem! so I gather you did try going back to the old simms, and it did go back to working right again? That would likely mean something wrong with one of the simms. If it works ok with the original simms than the echoplex hardware is probably fine; there's not much different between 1MB and 4MB. you might want to try the simms in different pair combinations to see if you can figure out which one it is, and replace it. weird though, seems like the simm probably has some bad bits that only interfere in some places and not all. The feedback LED indicates audio level on the digital side. If that's the only thing lighting, it's probably some sort of data corruption happening. Since it's not crashing otherwise, a bad chip on one of the simms could be it. Or maybe they draw an unusually large amount of power or are very noisy? I guess a quick thing to do is get some different 4MB simms in there to see if they do the same or the problem goes away. or it could be the problem with a long screw hitting the transformer, that Dennis mentioned. seems unlikely that that would just cause the noise and not some more serious problem, but I've seen stranger things. If that seems like it, maybe find the short screw or just leave the screw on that side out. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 11 06:08:30 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id GAA08008; Wed, 11 Nov 1998 06:08:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 06:08:30 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3648392B.380E5295@vete.ucl.ac.be> References: <199811100716.CAA11111@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 01:58:29 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Memory and EDP's future Resent-Message-ID: <"ZKpR_.0.uj7.hgMIs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2745 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 5:01 AM -0800 11/10/98, Malhomme wrote: >Given the price of memory now days, can one expects to see a next version of >EDP's soft to accept, say, 4*64 Mb of memory? sorry, that's a hardware thing, actually. No matter what we do with the software, the address space ain't getting any bigger..... >It would allow undo to death, and more felexibilty. I guess that when >designing >the machine, memory price was an issue to consider, but now? Back then, it cost over $1000 to get the echoplex fully upgraded! kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 11 07:16:54 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id HAA00912; Wed, 11 Nov 1998 07:16:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 07:16:54 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: KelRey@aol.com Message-ID: <78fe0873.36497ce3@aol.com> Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 07:02:43 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: R echoplex and the short screw Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 84 Resent-Message-ID: <"YaU2-3.0.V47.2rNIs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2747 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Where in the plex does the short screw go. Thanks, Kelly From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 11 09:43:31 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id JAA25837; Wed, 11 Nov 1998 09:43:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 09:43:31 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19981111134918.17227.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [207.94.66.242] From: "Matt Rowe" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: help finding a Peavey PC1600X MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 05:49:17 PST Resent-Message-ID: <"RRdNY.0.831.JOPIs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2748 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com kevin, try these guys: CROCODILE COMPUTERS & MUSIC 212-769-3400, Fax 212-724-3501 * 360 AMSTERDAM AVE (77 ST) NYC* i think i remember seeing them for about $350. it's a little on the expensive side, but they've got that whole supply/demand thing on their side. if you find a better deal, please let me know. i'm thinking about getting a pc-1600x for myself. matt >From: The Unit Circle >Subject: help finding a Peavey PC1600X >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 22:27:48 -0500 (EST) >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > >hey, > > none of my local stores or catalogs that I see have peavey MIDI >Gear. Also Peavey has a policy of not allowing on-line sales. The upshot >of which is that I can't get this thing. Does anyone know of a place with >mailorder that sells it? > >thanks! > > Kevin > > The price I pay for free, private email is the following commercial message... ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 11 10:50:29 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id KAA20674; Wed, 11 Nov 1998 10:50:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 10:50:29 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 08:25:14 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Edwin Hurwitz Subject: Re: Bass loopage Resent-Message-ID: <"2_853.0.3f2.VoQIs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2749 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > How many bass players are there out there kicking out the dope loops, > yo? I have been doing this for a while. I use Alembic preamps, Lexicon LXP 1 and LXP 5 and Jamman with an MRC (I used to wire an external control right into my bass so I could control pitch shifts and reverb times right off the bass, but my special multi pin cable kept going south right before crucial gigs.) Digitech distortion, a Mutron III, Bassballs, Tubescreamer, Digitech Whammy II and a Morley Wah/Vol (One of the old huge chrome jobs). It all runs in stereo and I use an Ibanez EPP400 patch controller for the analog FX so I can change order and what effects are on. Needless to say, the bass can very quickly assume other characteristics, especially when played with various props. Another bassist that I have jammed with who does this kind of thing is Stacey Starkweather of Burlington VT. He is well worth checking out on all levels. We have a duet we call Bak-O-Bass that reaches all kinds of outer realms. Most folks who hear it have no idea that it is bass. Edwin Edwin Hurwitz Boulder CO http://www.indra.com/~edwin From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 11 12:14:02 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id MAA23223; Wed, 11 Nov 1998 12:14:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 12:14:02 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: M3chakucha@aol.com Message-ID: <41a5ef8c.3649c24a@aol.com> Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 11:58:50 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Memory and EDP's future Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Resent-Message-ID: <"qiElM3.0.v74.4ASIs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2750 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Dear Kim, For an upgrade to occur it would also take a software upgrade too, to handle the new memory addresses, just like it does with the older computers, or with the motherboards of today breaking the 512MB barrier, not all OS' out there can handle it. I would imagine the same holds true of the Echoplex in going beyond 16MB (if the 4x9 from an earlier post is correct). If they went to SD RAM, then it would be a matter of slots and whose memory to use, and then whether or not to go PC100 or not. The slots themselves are pennies, and the physical RAM is not that cost prohibitive, either... Just think with 2 slots you could go up to 256MB of RAM that would run quite a bit faster than the old 30-pin SIMMs. Not to mention that they are less prone to have errors than the older 30-pins SIMMs, too... Oh well, just a little kibitzing on my part, hopefully someone at Gibson/Oberheim reads this one. Lee From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 11 13:03:24 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id NAA12184; Wed, 11 Nov 1998 13:03:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 13:03:24 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <01BE0D6D.DF3150A0@209-122-207-67.s67.tnt1.ftw.erols.com> From: JC To: "Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Subject: jam man pedals Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 12:20:58 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: <"KNIzt1.0.vp6.8VSIs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2751 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Does any one have any suggestions for pedals to use w/ the jamman/ = vortex. I have noticed some incompatibility with some pedals so any = input would be greatly appreciated. thanks in advance John From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 11 13:29:31 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id NAA23019; Wed, 11 Nov 1998 13:29:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 13:29:31 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <004301be0d9f$0c704cc0$e56703cf@rjiredff> From: "Jonathan Brainin" To: Subject: Re: help finding a Peavey PC1600X Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 13:13:37 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2120.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2120.0 Resent-Message-ID: <"WRQQ9.0.W04.DFTIs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2752 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com If I recall correctly, I bought my PC1600x from Mannys (in NY) last December for maybe $325. >kevin, > >try these guys: > >CROCODILE COMPUTERS & MUSIC >212-769-3400, Fax 212-724-3501 >* 360 AMSTERDAM AVE (77 ST) NYC* > >i think i remember seeing them for about $350. it's a little on the >expensive side, but they've got that whole supply/demand thing on their >side. > >if you find a better deal, please let me know. i'm thinking about >getting a pc-1600x for myself. > >matt >>From: The Unit Circle >>Subject: help finding a Peavey PC1600X >>hey, >> >> none of my local stores or catalogs that I see have peavey MIDI >>Gear. Also Peavey has a policy of not allowing on-line sales. The >upshot of which is that I can't get this thing. Does anyone know of >a place with mailorder that sells it? >> >>thanks! >> >> Kevin >> >> > > > >The price I pay for free, private email is the following commercial >message... > > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 11 14:48:21 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id OAA22998; Wed, 11 Nov 1998 14:48:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 14:48:21 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <78fe0873.36497ce3@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 11:26:11 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: R echoplex and the short screw Resent-Message-ID: <"83TjV1.0.bx3.OOUIs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2753 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 4:02 AM -0800 11/11/98, KelRey@aol.com wrote: >Where in the plex does the short screw go. > on the right side, by the transformer. I think it's only an issue on some units. For a while they were using longer screws in most of the holes and a short one by the transformer. Most of the time they used all short ones, which I last heard is what they do now. There's no issue then. It's something to watch for if you do a memory upgrade and have the top open. If there are different sized screws, use a short one in the hole on the right side. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 11 15:54:24 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id PAA18599; Wed, 11 Nov 1998 15:54:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 15:54:24 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <002101be0db3$68f13d60$90d43dc3@termosifone> From: "Salvatore Passaro" To: "Loop" Subject: Andre LaFosse Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 21:39:38 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"q9yEN.0.Sx2.CNVIs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2754 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com It is a lot of time that I don't read Andre LaFosse on this list. A little time ago I visited his interesting web pages, but now I have loosed the url. Salvatore From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 11 16:10:59 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id QAA25620; Wed, 11 Nov 1998 16:10:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 16:10:59 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: Subject: RE: help finding a Peavey PC1600X Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 12:45:15 -0800 Message-ID: <000e01be0db4$2fe0ab40$26ee8fd1@jelbizri.linkexchange.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 In-Reply-To: <004301be0d9f$0c704cc0$e56703cf@rjiredff> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <"rUVkT3.0.6X3.XSVIs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2755 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com What do you think? Is it worth it? What are the alternatives? Are they any good? I am thinking of getting one too. Do I smell a group buy in the offing? :> bIz > -----Original Message----- > From: Jonathan Brainin [mailto:jbrainin@planet.net] > Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 1998 10:14 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Subject: Re: help finding a Peavey PC1600X > > > If I recall correctly, I bought my PC1600x from Mannys (in NY) > last December > for maybe $325. > > > > >kevin, > > > >try these guys: > > > >CROCODILE COMPUTERS & MUSIC > >212-769-3400, Fax 212-724-3501 > >* 360 AMSTERDAM AVE (77 ST) NYC* > > > >i think i remember seeing them for about $350. it's a little on the > >expensive side, but they've got that whole supply/demand thing on their > >side. > > > >if you find a better deal, please let me know. i'm thinking about > >getting a pc-1600x for myself. > > > >matt > > >>From: The Unit Circle > >>Subject: help finding a Peavey PC1600X > >>hey, > >> > >> none of my local stores or catalogs that I see have peavey MIDI > >>Gear. Also Peavey has a policy of not allowing on-line sales. The > >upshot of which is that I can't get this thing. Does anyone know of > >a place with mailorder that sells it? > >> > >>thanks! > >> > >> Kevin > >> > >> > > > > > > > >The price I pay for free, private email is the following commercial > >message... > > > > > >______________________________________________________ > >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 11 17:27:57 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id RAA18885; Wed, 11 Nov 1998 17:27:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 17:27:57 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199811112208.OAA10551@mail.eskimo.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: muman@eskimo.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 14:07:13 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: feedback pedal question Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) Resent-Message-ID: <"BHpdR3.0.9g2.shWIs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2756 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Greetings, I have a feedback pedal question for the EDP. I am using my Roland EV-5 pedal. Unfortunately, when I use this pedal, the loop gradually fades out. This does not happen when the pedal is not connected. Is this common? Will this also happen if I use the Boss FV-50L. I like having the ability to choose when my loop ends (with the feedback knob). I'm hoping that the pedal will give me the same control. Louis Hesselt-van-Dinter editor Music Uncovered From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 11 17:44:10 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id RAA26191; Wed, 11 Nov 1998 17:44:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 17:44:10 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Dpcoffin@aol.com Message-ID: <9c5efb4.364a0e0a@aol.com> Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 17:22:02 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Leonardo Music Journal Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 82 Resent-Message-ID: <"ryw4Q.0.m44.EvWIs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2757 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Found this interesting reading, and thought some others in the list would, so I'm passing it on: Leonardo Music Journal Call for Proposals We invite proposals for the next two issues of the Leonardo Music Journal. The guidelines below are intended to create an identifiable focus for each issue, but should not be regarded as a limited set of assigned topics or as specific questions to be answered. They should serve instead as springboards for personally relevant writing, and are open to individual interpretation. Please contact the Leonardo Music Journal or Nicolas Collins, Editor-in-Chief, directly with proposals, suggestions or questions , at: tallmancollins@compuserve.com. LMJ 9: Power and Responsibility: Politics, Identity and Technology in Music In our contemporary saviness, we no longer think of music as the creation of solitary genius scribbling in a garret. We are far more likely to see it as a collaboration between individual ambitions and socio-economic constraints and inspirations. Composers themselves are likely to parse the responsibility for musical decisions out among numerous parties: a composer, pseudo-autonomous hardware and software, improvising musicians, variables of architectural space, or the interaction of an audience. These issues converge on questions of identity and power politics: is the orchestra necessarily fascistic? Does electronic technology have an inherent sexual identity (is it all "boy's toys")? What is the difference between a Japanese composer writing for the piano and a German composer writing for the koto? Do composers in "young countries" (Australia) necessarily have less cultural baggage than those in older ones (Italy)? Are the virtues of democracy the same as those of music? And how do we deal with Mr. Gates? In this issue of Leonardo, we want to examine how contemporary composers define their role within a network of shared responsibility. How do you allocate power? How do you justify its use? How do you define your musical and social communities, and how do you position yourself within them? Deadlines: December 1, 1998: rough proposals, queries January 15, 1999: submission of finished article April 1: article returned with reviewer comments for revision May 15: revised version due LMJ 10: Southern Cones -- Music in Africa and South America For the end of the millennium we want to shift the focus away from technological music's traditionally Eurocentric domain and concentrate instead on contributions to modern music coming out of Africa and South America. Access and attitudes towards technology shift radically with geography, causing both predictable and unexpected effects on the arts. We encourage writing by residents of these continents who work with technology and music (composers of "serious" and "pop" music, recording engineers and producers, studio musicians, concert promoters, musicologists, etc.), as well as persons of any citizenship for whom Southern cultures have been musically significant. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 11 18:10:20 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id SAA05327; Wed, 11 Nov 1998 18:10:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 18:10:20 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <364A1856.238E@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 15:05:58 -0800 From: Andre LaFosse Reply-To: altruist@earthlink.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-MACOS8 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Andre LaFosse References: <002101be0db3$68f13d60$90d43dc3@termosifone> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"nsTfk2.0.j77.TJXIs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2759 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Salvatore Passaro wrote: > It is a lot of time that I don't read Andre LaFosse on this list. Howdy! > A little time ago I visited his interesting web pages, but now I have loosed > the url. Haven't made any updates in a while, but the site is still available: http://home.earthlink.net/~altruist Glad you liked what you saw... --Andre From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 11 18:09:57 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id SAA05168; Wed, 11 Nov 1998 18:09:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 18:09:57 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <2.2.32.19981111225123.00d7b100@pop.chromatic.com> X-Sender: kflint@pop.chromatic.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 14:51:23 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: feedback pedal question Resent-Message-ID: <"ZRpXM1.0.O47.4JXIs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2758 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 02:07 PM 11/11/98 +0000, you wrote: >Greetings, >I have a feedback pedal question for the EDP. hi, these questions are answered in the echoplex FAQ: http://www.annihilist.com/loop/tools/echoplex/FAQ.html check there for details, briefly: >I am using my Roland EV-5 pedal. Unfortunately, when I use this pedal, >the loop gradually fades out. This does not happen when the pedal is >not connected. i don't think this pedal works well for the feedback jack. >Is this common? Will this also happen if I use the Boss FV-50L. the boss pedal works fine. make sure to get the 50L version. >I like having the ability to choose when my loop ends (with the >feedback knob). I'm hoping that the pedal will give me the same >control. yes, it's exactly the same. kim ________________________________________________________ Kim Flint, MTS 408-752-9284 Chromatic Research kflint@chromatic.com http://www.chromatic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 11 19:13:37 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id TAA01020; Wed, 11 Nov 1998 19:13:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 19:13:37 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19981112000229.7222.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [209.64.195.171] From: "ur eye" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: feedback pedal question MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 16:02:29 PST Resent-Message-ID: <"8ss2b.0.B87.BNYIs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2760 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >From: muman@eskimo.com >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 14:07:13 +0000 >Subject: feedback pedal question >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > >Greetings, >I have a feedback pedal question for the EDP. > >I am using my Roland EV-5 pedal. Unfortunately, when I use this pedal, >the loop gradually fades out. This does not happen when the pedal is >not connected. Just an Idea, double check the "knob" on the left side oof the pedal. Make sure it is set all the way up. It limits the output of the pedal if it is not. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 11 20:51:43 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id UAA11969; Wed, 11 Nov 1998 20:51:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 20:51:43 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 20:12:07 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: patrick@his.com (Patrick Smith) Subject: Re: jam man pedals Resent-Message-ID: <"FLmSH2.0.pA2.XsZIs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2761 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >Does any one have any suggestions for pedals to use w/ the jamman/ vortex. >I have noticed some incompatibility with some pedals so any input would >be greatly appreciated. > >thanks in advance > >John I found the best way was via MIDI as this opens up all of the Jam Man's potential. Patrick Now Available: FingerPaint Primary Colors: BLUE "can be edgy and intense as well as relaxing...." FAQT Shockwave audio featuring our newest release Primary Colors:Blue www.fingerpaint.net From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 11 21:51:33 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id VAA08994; Wed, 11 Nov 1998 21:51:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 21:51:33 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Makoto333@aol.com Message-ID: <8f4a7938.364a4a97@aol.com> Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 21:40:23 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Bass loopage Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 205 Resent-Message-ID: <"KyEmH.0.DA1.LhaIs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2762 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 11/11/98 10:50:13 AM Eastern Standard Time, edwin@indra.com writes: > various props. Another bassist that I have jammed with who does this kind > of thing is Stacey Starkweather of Burlington VT. He is well worth checking > out on all levels. We have a duet we call Bak-O-Bass that reaches all kinds > of outer realms. Most folks who hear it have no idea that it is bass. Hey Edwin, Just moved (back) to this area--if only temporarily--and would love to hear some of this stuff. Where/when do you guys play? As i recall, it was Stacey Starkweather who lent David Torn and Echoplex (the old tape kind) for the Polytown sessions back in '93. I have heard some of his recordings, and have been impressed. Are there any other rural New England/Vermont type loopers out there doing their dope thing in these crazy woods? 'Til next time, pete k. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 11 22:18:27 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id WAA20759; Wed, 11 Nov 1998 22:18:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 22:18:27 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <00e601be0de9$e44dd640$dc6703cf@rjiredff> From: "Jonathan Brainin" To: Subject: Re: help finding a Peavey PC1600X Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 22:09:37 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2120.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2120.0 Resent-Message-ID: <"zOXts2.0.YK4.C7bIs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2763 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Jonathan El-Bizri wrote: >What do you think? Is it worth it? What are the alternatives? Are they any >good? > >I am thinking of getting one too. Do I smell a group buy in the offing? :> I know of no good cheap alternatives to the PC1600x and the pricier ones seem no more capable than the PC1600x. Is it worth it? In a word, YES. It is capable of use with all midi gear and is remarkably flexible in its' uses. Jonathan Brainin From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 11 22:24:35 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id WAA23502; Wed, 11 Nov 1998 22:24:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 22:24:35 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: mchriste@panther.middlebury.edu Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <8f4a7938.364a4a97@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 22:13:14 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: murkie Subject: Loopers in Vermont!?!? (was: Re: Bass loopage) Resent-Message-ID: <"OdG2H2.0.t-4.FDbIs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2764 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >Just moved (back) to this area--if only temporarily--and would love to hear >some of this stuff. Where/when do you guys play? hear hear! when ya giggin'? >Are there any other rural New England/Vermont type loopers out there >doing their dope thing in these crazy woods? so i'm not the only one in VT? deep in the heart of nowhere, on the colder nights you can hear my jamman howling near the edge of Lake Champlain. scoping out Burlington for a loop-freindly venue. ideas? murkie M a r k C h r i s t e n s e n Cramped Quarters Studio / Jasperpottamus Music i n t e r n e t : murkie@middlebury.edu http://www.middlebury.edu/~mchriste/murkie.html From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 11 23:47:13 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id XAA23596; Wed, 11 Nov 1998 23:47:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 23:47:13 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Marzzz@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 23:37:09 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: RE: help finding a Peavey PC1600X Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 189 Resent-Message-ID: <"Hgf1c2.0.ft4.mOcIs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2765 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 11/11/98 3:10:42 PM, jbiz@linkexchange.com writes: >I am thinking of getting one too. Do I smell a group buy in the offing? Well, I missed the EDP group buy, but would be VERY interested in going in on one of these thingys..... Marshall From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Nov 12 00:18:55 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id AAA03102; Thu, 12 Nov 1998 00:18:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 00:18:55 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <2.2.32.19981112051122.00b565a4@pop.chromatic.com> X-Sender: kflint@pop.chromatic.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 21:11:22 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: RE: help finding a Peavey PC1600X Resent-Message-ID: <"uk6kn.0.Tz7.FtcIs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2766 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 11:37 PM 11/11/98 EST, Marzzz@aol.com wrote: > >In a message dated 11/11/98 3:10:42 PM, jbiz@linkexchange.com writes: > >>I am thinking of getting one too. Do I smell a group buy in the offing? > > >Well, I missed the EDP group buy, but would be VERY interested in going in on >one of these thingys..... I've been planning to get one too. I'm not sure what value there'd be in a group buy of something already rather cheap, but count me in if one gets organized.... also, I know Banana's at Large in San Rafael, CA has carried these in the past, and usually has good prices. Might be a good place to check. They do mail order, even internationally.... kim ________________________________________________________ Kim Flint, MTS 408-752-9284 Chromatic Research kflint@chromatic.com http://www.chromatic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Nov 12 01:28:36 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id BAA30178; Thu, 12 Nov 1998 01:28:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 01:28:36 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: ENAT21213@aol.com Message-ID: <8f4a807b.364a7d79@aol.com> Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 01:17:29 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: electric bird noise / new loop cd Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Resent-Message-ID: <"6K6ow3.0.gS6.DtdIs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2767 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com hello all, our friend / list member jeff duke has kindly posted some real audio files of some of our material from our just released cd. there is also a video posted jeff did when we visited his home town of atlanta a couple months back. jeff's one of the coolest cats around! check it out http://members.xoom.com/birdnoise/ebn.html let us know what you think? brian mckenzie available now electric bird noise (cinematic loop and layered instrumental rock) unleashing the inner robot From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Nov 12 05:17:53 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id FAA25467; Thu, 12 Nov 1998 05:17:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 05:17:53 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <8f4a807b.364a7d79@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 02:02:56 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: electric bird noise / new loop cd Resent-Message-ID: <"cfto72.0.g45.-BhIs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2768 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com hey, great! you get two thumbs up here. My girlfriend informs me that I will soon be purchasing a copy..... kim At 10:17 PM -0800 11/11/98, ENAT21213@aol.com wrote: >hello all, >our friend / list member jeff duke has kindly posted some real audio files of >some of our material from our just released cd. >there is also a video posted jeff did when we visited his home town of atlanta >a couple months back. jeff's one of the coolest cats around! >check it out > >http://members.xoom.com/birdnoise/ebn.html > >let us know what you think? >brian mckenzie > >available now electric bird noise (cinematic loop and layered >instrumental rock) > unleashing the inner robot > ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Nov 12 08:27:51 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id IAA32287; Thu, 12 Nov 1998 08:27:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 08:27:51 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199811121310.FAA16836@mail.eskimo.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: muman@eskimo.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 05:10:01 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: re: feedback pedal question Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) Resent-Message-ID: <"iwGIe.0.-I6.vvjIs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2769 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com thanks to all of you who replied to my feedback pedal question. I looked in the FAQ and had more questions then there were answers (about the pedal). Actually, without the FAQ, I would have posted lots more questions. Again, thanks. Louis Hesselt-van-Dinter editor Music Uncovered From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Nov 12 08:47:47 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id IAA07924; Thu, 12 Nov 1998 08:47:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 08:47:47 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 13:25:14 +0000 (GMT) From: Jim Carter To: list server loopers delight Subject: Torn Videos Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"N-4By2.0.Bx7.i9kIs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2770 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Little to no loop content, sorry I recently received a catologue from a UK company selling guitar tuition videos, including David Torn - Painting with Guitar 1 & 2. Naturally I ordered these straight away only to be told that they are discontinued and otherwise unavailable. Does anyone know where (preferably Europe) I can get copies? Perhaps if Mr Torn reads this he might know or at very least come round my house and give me a couple of lessons. I need these videos like Homer Simpson needs dougnuts, hmmmmm videos. Jim Carter From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Nov 12 09:09:44 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id JAA17167; Thu, 12 Nov 1998 09:09:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 09:09:44 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 13:49:01 +0000 (GMT) From: Jim Carter To: list server loopers delight Subject: Dual EDP config. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"RlroN3.0.Qj2.yYkIs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2771 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com It was interesting that so many of you use two echoplexes (echoplicis - can we get an official verdict on this) to perform asyncronous loopage. What I would like to know now is how you achieve this - hardwarewise. Do you just run of two AUX sends on a mixer ? Do you use two separate foot controllers? Is there an easy way to sync/desync two pair for stereo/asynchronous loops? At the danger of becoming gearheaded, I would be interested in seeing schematics of looper rigs, especially live setups. Jim Carter (so many questions, so little money) ps I agree that its near impossible to work the EDP footcontroller with footware but can anyone really recommend walking on a pub floor with bare feet? let alone a pub toilet floor? You people must play much classier venues than I ever have. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Nov 12 09:30:58 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id JAA25800; Thu, 12 Nov 1998 09:30:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 09:30:58 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <01BE0E44.34531E20.andrew@bocs.com> From: Andrew Taylor Reply-To: "andrew@bocs.com" To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Torn Videos Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 13:56:09 -0000 Organization: bocs X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Zq7Pv1.0.A73.dckIs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2772 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Jim, I saw the videos on the shelves of the Rose-Morris shop in Denmark St., London, not too long ago. I haven't got their phone number handy, but I think they're owned by the Arbiter Group, who are on 0181 207 5050. They ought to be able to 'furnish' you with the number. Any hassle let me know and I'll have the number by tomorrow. good luck Andrew -----Original Message----- From: Jim Carter [SMTP:Jim.Carter@bristol.ac.uk] Sent: 12 November 1998 13:25 To: list server loopers delight Subject: Torn Videos Little to no loop content, sorry I recently received a catologue from a UK company selling guitar tuition videos, including David Torn - Painting with Guitar 1 & 2. Naturally I ordered these straight away only to be told that they are discontinued and otherwise unavailable. Does anyone know where (preferably Europe) I can get copies? Perhaps if Mr Torn reads this he might know or at very least come round my house and give me a couple of lessons. I need these videos like Homer Simpson needs dougnuts, hmmmmm videos. Jim Carter From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Nov 12 11:13:47 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id LAA03241; Thu, 12 Nov 1998 11:13:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 11:13:47 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <9e477598.364affe5@aol.com> Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 10:33:57 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: help finding a Peavey PC1600X Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 170 Resent-Message-ID: <"uO8uj.0.Em4.a0mIs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2774 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com my i be so bold as to ask what this PC1600x is and why are a lot of us lusting after it.......for some reason i always pass up Peavey when looking at equipment (i have no idea where this prejudice comes form, perhaps funky amps from my past)........michael From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Nov 12 12:12:04 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id MAA27532; Thu, 12 Nov 1998 12:12:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 12:12:04 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <364B1379.648@mdbs.com> Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 11:57:29 -0500 From: "Dennis W. Leas" X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win95; U) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Dual EDP config. References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"SBCEv1.0.bs4.UAnIs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2775 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Jim Carter wrote: > > It was interesting that so many of you use two echoplexes > (echoplicis - can we get an official verdict on this) to > perform asyncronous loopage. > > What I would like to know now is how you achieve this - hardwarewise. > Do you just run of two AUX sends on a mixer ? > Do you use two separate foot controllers? > Is there an easy way to sync/desync two pair for stereo/asynchronous > loops? > > At the danger of becoming gearheaded, I would be interested in seeing > schematics of looper rigs, especially live setups. I built my own footswitches. I usually use 3 of them in a live performance. All the footswitches are identical. Each footswitch functions independently of the others and each can control either EDP. They look alot like the standard EDP with these exceptions: 1) The button labels are larger and are above the buttons rather than below. The theory is that I can see them easier and my foot doesn't cover up the label of the button that I'm preparing to press. 2) The record button is bigger than the others; i.e., it protrudes above the panel surface about 4 times higher that the other switches. I find I make less mistakes this way. The other buttons are EXACTLY the same kind as the standard EDP footswitch buttons. 3) I added a "Shadow" (sp?) push-on, push-off button in the upper-righthand corner and extra 1/4" phone jacks to the back panel. Each footswitch can control two EDPs (call them EDP "A" and EDP "B"). The Shadow switch selects which EDP is controlled. BTW, I chose Shadow switches because they have a nifty, highly visible neon-colored indicator that shows which position they're in WITHOUT NEEDING POWER. Hence, my footswitches are still totally passive. Shadow switches aren't intended to be foot-operated, however, so you shouldn't jump up and down on them. 4) Each footswitch has four phone jacks. Two are labeled "A", are wired in parallel, and connect to the "A" EDP. The other two are likewise in parallel, are labeled "B", and connect to the "B" EDP. I use the duplicate jack to daisy-chain the pedals together. Incidentally, in retrospect I would also install two 1/4" stereo phone jacks so I could use stereo phone cords and reduce the number of cables required. Partial schematic: +--------------+ +---->|in EDP A out|>----------------------+ | +--------------+ | | | | | | +--------------+ | +---->|in EDP B out|>------------------+ | | +--------------+ | | | | | | | | | | | | +------------------------+ | | +-----<|aux 1 out | | | | | | | | | | | | chan 1 in|<----------------- microphone 1 | | | | | TASCAM chan 2 in|<----------------- microphone 2 | 1024 | | | | Mixer chan 3 in|<----------------- microphone 3 | . . . | | | | (etc.) | | | | . . . | | | | chan 11 in|<-----------+ | | | | chan 13 in|<-------+ +------------------------+ - Dennis Leas -- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Nov 12 12:35:32 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id MAA02334; Thu, 12 Nov 1998 12:35:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 12:35:32 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <001601be0e5e$869b6c40$e16703cf@rjiredff> From: "Jonathan Brainin" To: Subject: Re: help finding a Peavey PC1600X Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 12:04:23 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2120.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2120.0 Resent-Message-ID: <"TycL12.0.Ly5.DKnIs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2776 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com http://www.peavey.com/division/mi/keyboards/MIDIcontrollers/pc1600x.html will take you to the Peavey webpages pertaining to the PC1600x. Judge for yourself! -----Original Message----- From: Nemoguitt@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Thursday, November 12, 1998 11:25 AM Subject: Re: help finding a Peavey PC1600X >my i be so bold as to ask what this PC1600x is and why are a lot of us lusting >after it.......for some reason i always pass up Peavey when looking at >equipment (i have no idea where this prejudice comes form, perhaps funky amps >from my past)........michael > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Nov 12 13:57:10 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id NAA30106; Thu, 12 Nov 1998 13:57:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 13:57:10 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <8f4a7938.364a4a97@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 09:27:33 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Edwin Hurwitz Subject: Re: Bass loopage Resent-Message-ID: <"Qer5Z3.0.Fr4.ddoIs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2777 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >In a message dated 11/11/98 10:50:13 AM Eastern Standard Time, edwin@indra.com >writes: > >> various props. Another bassist that I have jammed with who does this kind >> of thing is Stacey Starkweather of Burlington VT. He is well worth checking >> out on all levels. We have a duet we call Bak-O-Bass that reaches all kinds >> of outer realms. Most folks who hear it have no idea that it is bass. > >Hey Edwin, > >Just moved (back) to this area--if only temporarily--and would love to hear >some of this stuff. Where/when do you guys play? > >As i recall, it was Stacey Starkweather who lent David Torn and Echoplex >(the old tape kind) for the Polytown sessions back in '93. I have heard >some of his recordings, and have been impressed. > >Are there any other rural New England/Vermont type loopers out there >doing their dope thing in these crazy woods? > >'Til next time, >pete k. Actually, I now live in Boulder CO. We don't get to see each other that often. Stacey is apparently doing some kind of noise trio in Burlington. I will be doing some looping at Penny Lane here in Boulder next Wed (18th) as well as some electric bass/cello classical duets. Some of my work with Stacey is recorded and if anyone wants to hear it, I can arrange to get it to you. There is also a 6 minute collage from it and some backwards Shockra (my old band from Boston) on the CD I did with Skin (my old band from Boulder). All the best, All the best, All the best, All the best, All the best, All the best, All the best, All the best....... Edwin PS I also have a tape of collected stuff I did in the 80s (with what I guess would be manual looping ie. 1/4" tape and a razor blade!) that has another Burlington luminary, Mike Gordon doing some subharmonic poetry. It's called Fat Pig. Edwin Hurwitz Boulder CO http://www.indra.com/~edwin From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Nov 12 14:14:53 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id OAA05185; Thu, 12 Nov 1998 14:14:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 14:14:53 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199811121310.FAA16836@mail.eskimo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 10:55:46 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: re: feedback pedal question Resent-Message-ID: <"MsDAO3.0.YX7.f_oIs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2778 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Is there anything I could add to the faq that would have been more helpful? kim >thanks to all of you who replied to my feedback pedal question. I >looked in the FAQ and had more questions then there were answers >(about the pedal). Actually, without the FAQ, I would have posted >lots more questions. > >Again, thanks. >Louis Hesselt-van-Dinter >editor >Music Uncovered ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Nov 12 15:42:25 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id PAA09676; Thu, 12 Nov 1998 15:42:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 15:42:25 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <364B442F.49B51C80@bellsouth.net> Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 15:25:19 -0500 From: Jeff Duke X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.07 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: electric bird noise / new loop cd References: <8f4a807b.364a7d79@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"pjBV8.0.Be.BGqIs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2779 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thanks Brian, I can recomend electric bird noise as the politest house guests and great fun to jam with till 3.30 in the morn! If any body tries the site and has any problems with the Real Audio, please let me know. I have had one person say that it loaded up the player ( full download) before it would play. It works for me but some of you might have experience with browser incompatibility and such. thanx ahead, jeff http://members.xoom.com/echo17/tbl.html ENAT21213@aol.com wrote: > hello all, > our friend / list member jeff duke has kindly posted some real audio files of > some of our material from our just released cd. > there is also a video posted jeff did when we visited his home town of atlanta > a couple months back. jeff's one of the coolest cats around! > check it out > > http://members.xoom.com/birdnoise/ebn.html > > let us know what you think? > brian mckenzie > > available now electric bird noise (cinematic loop and layered > instrumental rock) > unleashing the inner robot > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Nov 12 15:52:22 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id PAA13948; Thu, 12 Nov 1998 15:52:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 15:52:22 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Paolo Valladolid Message-Id: <199811122037.MAA07269@waynesworld.ucsd.edu> Subject: Dpcoffin: Your setup To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 12:37:14 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <9c5efb4.364a0e0a@aol.com> from "Dpcoffin@aol.com" at Nov 11, 98 05:22:02 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Gvzkd2.0.Uw1.USqIs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2780 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Dave, I checked out your setup as referenced on your profile on http://www.vg-8.com. I noticed you've got a couple of lines going into an SP-808. Are you sampling in real-time with it or triggering samples? Just curious, Paolo From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Nov 12 16:17:44 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id QAA24621; Thu, 12 Nov 1998 16:17:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 16:17:44 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <364B4B73.F65@erols.com> Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 16:56:19 -0400 From: Michael Preston Reply-To: michpres@erols.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: help finding a Peavey PC1600X References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"VtIFn2.0.Cp3.fjqIs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2781 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi all, I have a pair of Peavey PC1600 midi controllers. I only (rarely) use one. I had such big plans! I would like to sell one of them for $200. It costs about $45 to upgrade to PC1600x. The PC1600 is already very useful without the upgrade. My poor EDP has finally made its way to Oberheim (via a local dealer), and soon it will be repaired, and I will be billed; so I'm pruning my studio tree, fundraising. My apologies to those of you who find this message inappropriate for our mailing list. Thanks for your time. Michael Preston Baltimore, MD From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Nov 12 17:03:54 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id RAA10959; Thu, 12 Nov 1998 17:03:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 17:03:54 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19981112214846.12216.rocketmail@send1b.yahoomail.com> Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 13:48:46 -0800 (PST) From: Randy Jones Subject: re: feedback pedal question To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"SXmjE.0.YF1.nVrIs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2782 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi Kim, Source and part numbers for those cheesy little red chinese switches. thanks, Randy Jones ---Kim Flint wrote: > > Is there anything I could add to the faq that would have been more helpful? > > kim > > >thanks to all of you who replied to my feedback pedal question. I > >looked in the FAQ and had more questions then there were answers > >(about the pedal). Actually, without the FAQ, I would have posted > >lots more questions. > > > >Again, thanks. > >Louis Hesselt-van-Dinter > >editor > >Music Uncovered > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html > http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > > > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Nov 12 17:40:13 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id RAA25588; Thu, 12 Nov 1998 17:40:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 17:40:13 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <005001be0e8a$a01bba40$ac98adce@hideo> Reply-To: "Tom Lambrecht" From: "Tom Lambrecht" To: Subject: Re: loopy gear FS Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 16:16:12 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"DT7Dc1.0.t74.DxrIs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2783 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Loopers: gearhead friend is selling these . . . any takers? Korg SDD-2000 sampling digital delay $225 Digitech RDS-8000 $150 let me know if you're interested and I'll give you his particulars drone on~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Tom From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Nov 12 19:07:57 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id TAA32351; Thu, 12 Nov 1998 19:07:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 19:07:57 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19981112185903.007ac260@mindspring.com> X-Sender: zanga@mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 18:59:03 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Rik Myers Subject: Re: Dual EDP config. In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"RY8Uz2.0.rf6.jNtIs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2784 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >ps I agree that its near impossible to work the EDP footcontroller >with footware but can anyone really recommend walking on a pub floor >with bare feet? let alone a pub toilet floor? >You people must play much classier venues than I ever have. Not necessarily. For dive gigs in barefeet I have sandals nearby for trips to the wc. And with regards to concerns expressed RE: electrocution, we always inspect our staging areas for wiring problems and cetera. I find that the "funky power out of the outlet" problem is far more common. Hence an AC regulator. Cheers! Rico From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Nov 12 20:00:14 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id UAA21164; Thu, 12 Nov 1998 20:00:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 20:00:14 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <364B8074.6B156D6E@bellsouth.net> Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 19:42:28 -0500 From: Jeff Duke X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.07 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Dual EDP config. References: <3.0.5.32.19981112185903.007ac260@mindspring.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"QgOV4.0.hJ3.D1uIs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2785 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com excellent info, My bro is something of an electician in band situations and he always checks the power out. And I should mention thatr I have obtained a very large carpet, 12 by 20 that I will be using when possible. the carpet has a rubber backing so.... jeff Rik Myers wrote: > >ps I agree that its near impossible to work the EDP footcontroller > >with footware but can anyone really recommend walking on a pub floor > >with bare feet? let alone a pub toilet floor? > >You people must play much classier venues than I ever have. > > Not necessarily. For dive gigs in barefeet I have sandals nearby for trips > to the wc. > > And with regards to concerns expressed RE: electrocution, we always inspect > our staging areas for wiring problems and cetera. I find that the "funky > power out of the outlet" problem is far more common. Hence an AC regulator. > > Cheers! Rico From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Nov 12 20:32:18 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id UAA01685; Thu, 12 Nov 1998 20:32:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 20:32:18 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: The Unit Circle Message-Id: <199811130115.UAA03797@keys.com> Subject: Re: help finding a Peavey PC1600X To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 20:15:09 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: <9e477598.364affe5@aol.com> from "Nemoguitt@aol.com" at Nov 12, 98 10:33:57 am Content-Type: text Resent-Message-ID: <"JW1F9.0._m6.6XuIs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2786 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I usually avoid Peavey as well. They haven't earned much of reputation for quality, but I think it's more hit or miss. I have a fretless bass from them that I adore, and I used to have a combo amp from them that was like a tank. This seems to be a really well thought out product and people I know who have it like it a lot. The only other similar device I'm aware of is from JLCooper and I've had problems with everything I've ever used from them. Kevin PS. Thanks for the tips on finding one everybody. It seems that American Music here in Seattle has them, so I'll be picking mine up tomorrow! > > my i be so bold as to ask what this PC1600x is and why are a lot of us lusting > after it.......for some reason i always pass up Peavey when looking at > equipment (i have no idea where this prejudice comes form, perhaps funky amps > from my past)........michael > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Nov 12 22:01:45 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id JAA02370; Thu, 12 Nov 1998 09:53:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 09:53:02 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Wjguitar@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 09:38:16 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Dual EDP config. Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 170 Resent-Message-ID: <"caWUk2.0._B7.HClIs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2773 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com By hooking up the brother sync I/O's of two EDP's. and midi out of one to midi in of the other, one can become a master, and the other a slave...then the outputs of each can be run to a stereo mixer. I use a nylon string flamenco guitar outfitted with RMC pickups...to an RMC fanout box...from there I take the six individual string outputs of the fanout box (patchbay) to six individual inputs of a Kendrick 6 shooter 6 channel tube preamp to "warm" the sound....and from the six outputs of the Kendrick, to a 6 channel Behringer stereo sub mixer, where I can adjust and balance individual string levels and panning for each string , to create a curtain of sound...from the stereo outs of the Behringer, I go to stereo inputs on a Presonus Blue Max compressor, (which I kick in for rumba flamenca strums) and out for leads, when I want my dynamics; and from the stereo outs of the bluemax to the two inputs of the two EDP's...from there I go to a AudioPro AP812 rackmounted Yorkville Powered Mixer, which has 400 watts / side, and 12 channels of inputs...the outputs of the EDP's go to channels one and two of this mixer...then I can mess with eq's for the top three or bottom three strings, as well as add resident reverb to the highs and less to the lows......channel 3, 4, and 5 are generally used for the stereo inputs from GR-1,GR-30, and VG-8....11 & 12 are for my Marantz combo tape/cd player/recorder inputs via rca jacks....speakers are Elite Yorkvilles...or for smaller venues Altec monitors (coaxials)...for bigger events I add two crown macrotech power amps, with alesis graphic eq, and a Rane crossover to biamp to an 18" bass speaker and other satellite cabinets. All the gear is neatly rackmounted, and I use the same setup for a coffee house gig, or larger venue...only the speakers and additional power amps are added for the bigger venues. An alternate approach I'm considering is putting the EDPs at the end of the final mixer output....but so far, I've not needed to do that...my main interest has been in looping the guitar rhythm parts, for solo performances.....I'm still getting use to the EDP's...I used to use a Jam man in mono...but didn't like the fact that 2 different loops had to be of the same length, which was not convenient if I wanted to loop a verse with one length, and a chorus with yet another....with the EDPs maxed out to 198 seconds....I've got a lot more flexibility. BTW...one footswitch controller handles both EDP's in sync. Regards, Wayne From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Nov 13 04:07:01 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id EAA28575; Fri, 13 Nov 1998 04:07:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 04:07:01 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Reply-To: From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: Subject: Sound Cards - an Inquiry Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 00:49:04 -0800 Message-ID: <000601be0ee2$78d0cc20$5132dacf@stepheng> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <199811122037.MAA07269@waynesworld.ucsd.edu> Resent-Message-ID: <"xEaYU3.0.6c4.4B_Is"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2787 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Weird, man - I've got the "sometimes it sends to the list, sometimes the member" blues again.... Anyway! Here's a question for you PC folks out there who are recording into their PCs. Which sound cards do you love? Which do you loathe? I am more interested in PCI and further cards than ISA, considering ISA's forthcoming retirement in 2000. I've no desire to get into anything over $200, as on a PC level it's chicanery to charge more than that at this stage, unless it attaches to proprietary hardware, like an Otari or something. Which, again, is out of my desired area of sophistication. I'm not sure this has to be a MIDI card, either, though that would seem to be the onboard feature of most sound cards these days. I'd appreciate responses via email at study00@earthlight.net, which I will compile into a nice table if I get enough responses, enabling us both to learn something, perhaps. Give me the tech specs of the card in terms of things like Response, S/N Ratio, Input/Output Jacks, extra features you think make a difference. I'd like to put it into a form that is readable by humans, too. :) Thanks in advance! Stephen Goodman study00@earthlight.net http://www.earthlight.net/Studios From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Nov 13 08:58:40 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id IAA13284; Fri, 13 Nov 1998 08:58:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 08:58:40 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: simon@mail.dynamite.com.au Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199811130115.UAA03797@keys.com> References: <9e477598.364affe5@aol.com> from "Nemoguitt@aol.com" at Nov 12, 98 10:33:57 am Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 00:39:42 +1000 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Simon Subject: Re: help finding a Peavey PC1600X Resent-Message-ID: <"itosw.0.l12.bW3Js"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2788 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >This seems to be a really well thought out product and >people I know who have it like it a lot. The only other similar device >I'm aware of is from JLCooper .... Kenton Electronics make a similar device called the Control Freak. Emu make one called the LaunchPad. Any others? Simon Canberra AUSTRALIA From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Nov 13 12:57:53 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id MAA13527; Fri, 13 Nov 1998 12:57:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 12:57:53 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Dpcoffin@aol.com Message-ID: <9e4a507d.364c6d50@aol.com> Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 12:33:04 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Dpcoffin: Your setup Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 82 Resent-Message-ID: <"upf8j.0.2_.0s6Js"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2789 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 11/12/98 8:52:12 PM, you wrote: <> Hi, Paolo Well, it'll do both, but until I get the FC-200 foot controller and experiment with the MMC options, I won't know how hands-free this can be. At present it's very much a set-it-up-first kinda deal--easy enough to reach over and hit play of a pre-recorded sample or assembled track while holding a note on the guitar, but no realtime record and play back, without letting go of the guitar. From reading the manuals, it doesn't seem like the system is really able to do just what I want (duplicate an echoplex digital Pro!), but it may be close, and I'll certainly report my results on the looper's list. David From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Nov 13 14:00:28 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id OAA05886; Fri, 13 Nov 1998 14:00:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 14:00:28 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Paul.C.Wright@ercgroup.com Message-ID: To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: FW: BLUE Chicago Concert 12/9/98 Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 12:35:14 -0600 Importance: high X-Priority: 1 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <"v9DoZ.0.ch7.Ss7Js"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2790 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com FYI. Does anyone have any info on this concert? -----Original Message----- From: Wright, Paul C. (CAP, ERC) Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 1998 1:39 PM To: 'newsletter@elephant-talk.com' Subject: BLUE Chicago Concert 12/9/98 Importance: High Folks, I just gave a call to the Park West to see if I could get tickets for the 12/9/98 BLUE concert there, and they told me that they didn't have it on their concert schedule. Can anyone provide any additional information on this? Has the concert been finalized (or canceled)? Thanks, pcw From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Nov 13 16:10:18 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id QAA28231; Fri, 13 Nov 1998 16:10:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 16:10:18 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199811132038.MAA05806@mail.eskimo.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: muman@eskimo.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 12:37:40 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: re: feedback pedal question Priority: normal In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) Resent-Message-ID: <"XtK963.0.mk3.YZ9Js"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2791 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 10:55:46 -0800 > From: Kim Flint > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Subject: re: feedback pedal question > Is there anything I could add to the faq that would have been more helpful? Kim, I'm sorry that I didn't mention in my original post that I had read the FAQ and was a little confused. The document titled: Oberheim Echoplex Footpedal Tutorial - Version 1.0 - January 5, 1997, states essentially that the EV-5 pedal will work (even though backwards). The FAQ - Version 8 - June 30, 1998 echoes this information. What I discovered was that the EV-5 pedal causes the loop to gradually fade away after about 20 times. Since the FAQ and the Tutorial both stated that the EV-5 was a good substitute, I was nervous about spending the money to get another pedal that would only duplicate the action of the EV-5, which I did not like. Hence, my post. In reference to the FAQ, would suggest that either the reference to the EV-5 be removed or that the actual performance of the pedal be mentioned. Of course, if no one can duplicate what happened to me with the EV-5, the point is moot. I plan on getting the FV-50L this afternoon, so if it works like the EV-5, I'll be sure to post that info. Louis Hesselt-van-Dinter editor Music Uncovered From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Nov 13 16:26:10 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id QAA02022; Fri, 13 Nov 1998 16:26:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 16:26:10 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: The Unit Circle Message-Id: <199811132057.PAA31141@keys.com> Subject: Stage Set ups... To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 15:57:02 -0500 (EST) Content-Type: text Resent-Message-ID: <"uNl_7.0.bj5.sr9Js"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2793 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I have the stage set up from my summer tour on my web site. Since then my rig has changed with every gig, but I'll try and get some best ofs or something up there soon. http://www.intonarumori.com/set-up.html Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Nov 13 16:20:46 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id QAA32474; Fri, 13 Nov 1998 16:20:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 16:20:46 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: The Unit Circle Message-Id: <199811132046.PAA30886@keys.com> Subject: Re: help finding a Peavey PC1600X To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 15:46:41 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: from "Simon" at Nov 14, 98 00:39:42 am Content-Type: text Resent-Message-ID: <"01Fk91.0.jb4.hh9Js"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2792 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Don't know the Kenton Electronics One. I thought that the Launchpad was meant to be a companion to the EMU Dance synths and not a general purpose MIDI controller. Kevin > > >This seems to be a really well thought out product and > >people I know who have it like it a lot. The only other similar device > >I'm aware of is from JLCooper .... > > Kenton Electronics make a similar device called the Control Freak. > Emu make one called the LaunchPad. > > Any others? > > > Simon > Canberra > AUSTRALIA > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Nov 13 16:47:03 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id QAA11092; Fri, 13 Nov 1998 16:47:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 16:47:03 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19981113132940.013f9b20@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: sean_@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 13:29:40 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: re: feedback pedal question In-Reply-To: <199811132038.MAA05806@mail.eskimo.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"IBRCY1.0.py.hJAJs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2794 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 12:37 PM 11/13/98 +0000, you wrote: >What I discovered was that the EV-5 pedal causes the loop to gradually >fade away after about 20 times. Since the FAQ and the Tutorial both >stated that the EV-5 was a good substitute, I was nervous about >spending the money to get another pedal that would only duplicate the >action of the EV-5, which I did not like. Hence, my post. > It could be that the pot in the pedal is not positioned correctly - pedal all the way down may not actually have the pot open all the way - hence a gradual decay in feedback. I had this problem with a Boss FV-50L - opening it up and repositioning the pot took care of it. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Nov 13 17:46:57 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id RAA03708; Fri, 13 Nov 1998 17:46:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 17:46:57 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <364B1379.648@mdbs.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 14:09:00 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Chris Chovit Subject: Re: Dual EDP config. Resent-Message-ID: <"_smj33.0.iz4.FuAJs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2795 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com dennis@mdbs.com wrote: The Shadow switch selects which EDP is controlled. BTW, I chose >Shadow switches because they have a nifty, highly visible neon-colored >indicator that shows >which position they're in WITHOUT NEEDING POWER. Nice!! Where could I get some of these? I've been using a separate A/B box, but your setup sounds slick! I assume that they switch BOTH conductors, as opposed to just one (with a common ground)?..... What do you suppose I could use to switch between more than two plexes??... - chris --------------------- Chris Chovit cho@gomez.jpl.nasa.gov From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Nov 13 19:06:05 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id TAA06753; Fri, 13 Nov 1998 19:06:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 19:06:05 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: PMimlitsch@aol.com Message-ID: <485cb41c.364cc456@aol.com> Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 18:44:22 EST To: stickwire-l@majordomo.netcom.com, Sticknews@aol.com, taptalk@ari.net, Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Sat. Recital Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 84 Resent-Message-ID: <"XCUTk.0.6f7.9JCJs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2796 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com The Arts Council of Princeton (Princeton, N.J.) and SlackAve.com present The Music of Carlton Joseph Wilkinson featuring SABRINA BERGER Violin and Electric 5-string violin performing the premiere of My Undoing for 5-string violin and tape 7:30 p.m. Saturday, Nov. 14, 1998 at the Arts Council of Princeton 102 Witherspoon Street, Princeton, N.J. (609) 924-8777 Admission $10 This is the first of a series of four recitals on the second Saturday of each month featuring the recent work of Carlton Wilkinson and others, in performances by * Sabrina Berger, violin Nov. 14 * Stanley Alexadrowicz, guitar Dec. 12 * Paul Mimlitsch, "tapped strings"/Loops, Jan. 9 * Wilbo Wright and Deirdre McGrail, Feb. 13 for more information about upcoming recitals call the Arts Council at the number above, or email Carlton at carwilk@prodigy.net <> From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Nov 14 10:40:12 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id KAA10427; Sat, 14 Nov 1998 10:40:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 10:40:12 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <364D975E.97683D5C@texas.net> Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 08:44:47 -0600 From: Bobdog Catlin Reply-To: psbuddha@texas.net Organization: Pseudo Buddha/Doghouse Ent. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Shadow switches References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"xCNjH2.0.px.G3QJs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2797 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com hi chris, et al - i'd also like to know where to get these nifty shadow switches. i have several box-making projects coming up soon. please post the info so all of us tech geeks can play! thanks - bobdog From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Nov 14 16:03:38 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id QAA10180; Sat, 14 Nov 1998 16:03:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 16:03:38 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <001901be0fe7$07f1c620$6c8232cc@manda.norlink.net> Reply-To: "Gerry P" From: "Gerry P" To: Subject: Sony 670 DAT for EDP backup Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 15:54:14 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"3_HAQ1.0.DL1.4rUJs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2798 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Just wondering if anyone is familiar with the Sony 670 (few years old now) - want to use this with my EDP. I have a line on a new one and have a few questions to ask someone familiar with it. Thanks in advance Gerry P manda@norlink.net From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Nov 14 16:38:59 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id QAA24473; Sat, 14 Nov 1998 16:38:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 16:38:59 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.02 (298) Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 11:56:53 -0700 Subject: SP-808 From: "Neil Goldstein" To: Dpcoffin@aol.com CC: "Loopers-Delight" Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <1301043514-94598111@imagina.com> Resent-Message-ID: <"CM7Qi2.0.r75.nPVJs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2799 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I'd be interested to hear just how much you like this box even without the "real-time" functionality you express. Love to read your review, if you have the time, as I've appreciated your patches and setup from the VG8 list, and am coming from a somewhat similar place (I use synths and Groovebox too). Seems like it opens a lot of creative space for "post" work on real time loopage for quick remix, as well as other areas. From things I've read, it looks like a "must have" the more I think about it. I have a lot of cool sounds (from Rebirth, Metasynth and SFX Machine,etc) in my Mac that I would like to have faster access to, and it seems like the SP808 would give great "useability" to these otherwise "buried" treasures. Neil Goldstein Portland, Oregon USA ---------- >From: Dpcoffin@aol.com >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Subject: Re: Dpcoffin: Your setup >Date: Fri, Nov 13, 1998, 10:33 AM > > >In a message dated 11/12/98 8:52:12 PM, you wrote: > ><you sampling in real-time with it or triggering samples? >>> > >Hi, Paolo >Well, it'll do both, but until I get the FC-200 foot controller and experiment >with the MMC options, I won't know how hands-free this can be. At present it's >very much a set-it-up-first kinda deal--easy enough to reach over and hit play >of a pre-recorded sample or assembled track while holding a note on the >guitar, but no realtime record and play back, without letting go of the >guitar. From reading the manuals, it doesn't seem like the system is really >able to do just what I want (duplicate an echoplex digital Pro!), but it may >be close, and I'll certainly report my results on the looper's list. >David > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Nov 14 19:01:13 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id TAA06166; Sat, 14 Nov 1998 19:01:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 19:01:13 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 17:45:49 -0500 (EST) From: Nick Ring X-Sender: nick@plato To: "Stephen P. Goodman" cc: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Sound Cards - an Inquiry [off topic] In-Reply-To: <000601be0ee2$78d0cc20$5132dacf@stepheng> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"SIn393.0.a61.WRXJs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2800 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com On Fri, 13 Nov 1998, Stephen P. Goodman wrote: > Here's a question for you PC folks out there who are recording into their > PCs. Which sound cards do you love? Which do you loathe? I am more > interested in PCI and further cards than ISA, considering ISA's forthcoming > retirement in 2000. I've no desire to get into anything over $200, as on a > PC level it's chicanery to charge more than that at this stage, unless it > attaches to proprietary hardware, like an Otari or something. Which, again, > is out of my desired area of sophistication. I'm not sure this has to be a > MIDI card, either, though that would seem to be the onboard feature of most > sound cards these days. I'm in the process of trying to pick a soundcard as well and don't really know where to start, so if any of you are going to ring in on this, feel free to do so publicly. I noticed that a lot of the low-mid range cards seem to go in the $400-600 range. If I could get away w/ less I'd love to. One person suggested to me the Soundblaster "Live" card (around $200). I'd love to have access to an outboard mixer, though so as to keep it as close to my old 4-track roots, though I suspect you run into money there. -nick From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Nov 14 21:17:40 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id VAA24537; Sat, 14 Nov 1998 21:17:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 21:17:40 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <000601be0ee2$78d0cc20$5132dacf@stepheng> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 17:44:39 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Edwin Hurwitz Subject: Re: Sound Cards - an Inquiry [off topic] Resent-Message-ID: <"7-a7o1.0.sB5.aSZJs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2802 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >On Fri, 13 Nov 1998, Stephen P. Goodman wrote: >> Here's a question for you PC folks out there who are recording into their >> PCs. Which sound cards do you love? Which do you loathe? I am more >> interested in PCI and further cards than ISA, considering ISA's forthcoming >> retirement in 2000. I've no desire to get into anything over $200, as on a >> PC level it's chicanery to charge more than that at this stage, unless it >> attaches to proprietary hardware, like an Otari or something. Which, again, >> is out of my desired area of sophistication. I'm not sure this has to be a >> MIDI card, either, though that would seem to be the onboard feature of most >> sound cards these days. > > > I'm in the process of trying to pick a soundcard as well >and don't really know where to start, so if any of you are going >to ring in on this, feel free to do so publicly. I noticed that >a lot of the low-mid range cards seem to go in the $400-600 range. >If I could get away w/ less I'd love to. One person suggested >to me the Soundblaster "Live" card (around $200). I'd love to >have access to an outboard mixer, though so as to keep it as >close to my old 4-track roots, though I suspect you run into >money there. > > -nick I have a Lucid PCI24 that I got from Bayview pro Audio. It works very nicely and does sample rate conversion quite well. It even will read my Sony TCD3 DAT machine at 32khz long play and convert to 44.1! FYI I use it with a PowerMac 7200/90 although it will run on a PC as well. Anything with a PCI bus. I use Deck II and Soundedit. Edwin Edwin Hurwitz Boulder CO http://www.indra.com/~edwin From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Nov 14 21:15:44 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id VAA23322; Sat, 14 Nov 1998 21:15:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 21:15:44 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199811132046.PAA30886@keys.com> References: from "Simon" at Nov 14, 98 00:39:42 am Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 12:24:03 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Edwin Hurwitz Subject: Re: help finding a Peavey PC1600X Resent-Message-ID: <"Xtgjl2.0.ZB5.VSZJs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2801 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >Don't know the Kenton Electronics One. I thought that the Launchpad was >meant to be a companion to the EMU Dance synths and not a general purpose >MIDI controller. > > Kevin > > >> >> >This seems to be a really well thought out product and >> >people I know who have it like it a lot. The only other similar device >> >I'm aware of is from JLCooper .... >> >> Kenton Electronics make a similar device called the Control Freak. >> Emu make one called the LaunchPad. >> >> Any others? >> >> >> Simon >> Canberra >> AUSTRALIA there is also the Lexicon MRC, which has very extensive MIDI control but only 4 physical sliders (which can be programmed to be 2 pages of 4 for a total of 8) as well as 4 button and 2 external inputs. Edwin Edwin Hurwitz Boulder CO http://www.indra.com/~edwin From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Nov 14 21:23:41 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id VAA27626; Sat, 14 Nov 1998 21:23:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 21:23:41 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 20:12:54 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Stage Set ups... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 170 Resent-Message-ID: <"sRsia.0.tf5.yaZJs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2803 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 11/13/98 7:25:57 PM Mid-Atlantic Standard Time, unitcirc@keys.com writes: << http://www.intonarumori.com/set-up.html >> kevin......thanks for the stage set-up......the rest was a wonderfull earfull......thanks........michael From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Nov 14 22:03:12 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id WAA01162; Sat, 14 Nov 1998 22:03:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 22:03:12 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: M3chakucha@aol.com Message-ID: <84edd007.364e33c6@aol.com> Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 20:52:06 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, midiguitar@egroups.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Sound Cards - an Inquiry [off topic] Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Resent-Message-ID: <"pwxDf1.0.Sw7.e9aJs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2804 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Dear all, One majour problem with the Creative Labs cards are that they are inherently "noisy" and tend to generate a massive amount of "white" noise into any sample that you are working with... Yes, if you are recording digitally, you are still sampling. I, too have been looking at different sound cards out there, and I concur with this post, the mid-range prices for musicians tends to be in the $400.00 to $800.00 price range, with about $1200.00 for the typical top- notch card that is PCI (and usually IBM PC or Mac PC compliant, but not necessarily NT compliant). A few people out of Digital Guitar Digest, and Midiguitar have suggested the Yamaha cards, as they tend to be a little less expensive than those of other manufacturers, usually at about $250.00 to $345.00 with all of the wave table add-ons. I may go that route in the beginning, but it just seems to make better sense to stick with the AWE32Gold (with 28MB cache) that I currently use, and enjoy, and then get the card set(s) that I really want... Big issues to look for in purchasing said card for me are: 1. Is it OS compliant? 2. Is it hardware compliant to your chipsets on your motherboard? Is it compliant to your Processor or Multiple Processors? 3. Is it hardware compliant to your other cards in your PC. 4. How much and what kind of resources will it chew up? Same thing applies to the drivers? What type of drivers are required by the card? JavaScript, *.dll's, Open GL, Active X, DOS, etc... 5. Lastly, how compatible is your existing recording software to card's drivers and possible GUI's? Some capture boards do some awfully strange things when they are not used with their respective softwares (especially on a video level). I know that this is not a good representation of either Stephen or Nick, but it may help none-the less... Haven't found much on the web, yet... I've just been trying out www.wmcworld.com and many talks with Brian Meader, www.metacrawler.com using keywords of ' "audio capture", "sound card", "8 inputs", NT, 95, Linux, digital, XLR, recording ' to some varying degrees of success... I'll probably try out a few other search words and see what more I can come up with... Anywho, hope this helps out some... Oh, the big thing to do before even starting off in this direction is to go SCSI II UW in the very least for a more stable platform... Going EIDE is a real bad mistake, as you'll actually get lots of speed-ups, halts, and extra clicks in the recording and play-backs... Other issues are to look for Audio/Video Hard Drives, and a good source for me has always been: www.pricewatch.com on these items. If you're looking to do this live, check out the Syquest Sparq or the Iomega SCSI ZIP drive, I've found that they have really been happening for me, and have not crapped out as often as a few HDD's in various computers, mostly Mac Powerbooks, and the one 650 that just went thermal on me in the middle of a gig... Thank the beings of electricity for UNIX and cobbled computers! :) Another thing to beware of is that if you are trying to press your own disks, a WORM drive or even a rewritable is not the best way to go, as the sound quality is definitely not there; output it an ADAT and then take it to a press house... It's worth the extra money to have it done correctly. Hope this helps out a bit, I'm off the soap box now... Lee Barnes From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Nov 14 23:18:38 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id XAA07683; Sat, 14 Nov 1998 23:18:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 23:18:38 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199811150311.WAA27153@ulster.net> Subject: Re:DP Pro revisited.. Date: Sat, 14 Nov 98 22:07:31 -0500 x-sender: evening@pop.ulster.net x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: evening To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <"_Uj_D.0.Fk1.2HbJs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2805 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com After some recent discussion about the Ensoniq DP Pro I decided to investigate the looping capabilities a bit more closely. One of the best features of the 2.6 sec. looper algorhythm is the "fade time" parameter which adjusts crossfade between the beg. & end of the loop. This parameter can be set up to 100% of the looptime, creating seamless loops. Combined with the ability to adjust the playback speed down to 1% of the original, and up to 16x faster (in either forward or reverse) more than makes up for the short loop time (IMO). It's a drag Ensoniq never developed the digital Interface & the 24 bit A/D - D/A converters... jmw From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Nov 15 02:34:32 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id CAA25904; Sun, 15 Nov 1998 02:34:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1998 02:34:32 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: simon@mail.dynamite.com.au Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199811132046.PAA30886@keys.com> References: from "Simon" at Nov 14, 98 00:39:42 am Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1998 17:11:57 +1000 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Simon Subject: Re: help finding a Peavey PC1600X Cc: unitcirc@keys.com Resent-Message-ID: <"0tHw41.0.T66.Y2eJs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2806 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >Don't know the Kenton Electronics One. Check it at... http://www.kenton.co.uk/ >I thought that the Launchpad was >meant to be a companion to the EMU Dance synths and not a general purpose >MIDI controller. I think that the LaunchPad was originally intended as a controller for the Emu Orbit sound module, but all controls on the LaunchPad are assignable, I'm using the LaunchPad with an Emu E6400 sampler. It can be used with other MIDI gear as well, as most (if not all) sliders and buttons on the LaunchPad can be assigned to whatever MIDI controller numbers you desire. - 4 assignable sliders, plus assignable expression pedal input. - Pitch wheel and Modulation (assignable) slider. - One octave velocity sensitive 'drum pad' keyboard (+5 ocatave, -4 ocatve transposition range). - Assignable trigger/transport control buttons. - MIDI clock output. - MIDI machine control. - MIDI merge the MIDI input with LauchPad MIDI data. + more. Simon Canberra AUSTRALIA From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Nov 15 23:00:40 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id XAA12785; Sun, 15 Nov 1998 23:00:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1998 23:00:40 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Marzzz@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1998 21:46:08 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Dual EDP config. Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 189 Resent-Message-ID: <"_pynT.0.zp2.A3wJs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2807 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 11/12/98 8:09:30 AM, Jim.Carter@bristol.ac.uk writes: >It was interesting that so many of you use two echoplexes >(echoplicis - can we get an official verdict on this) to >perform asyncronous loopage. That should be Echoplexi. Marshall (thinking about a second one, oh yeah.....) From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Nov 15 23:57:40 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id XAA18531; Sun, 15 Nov 1998 23:57:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1998 23:57:40 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19981115211902.007e7cf0@wavefront.com> X-Sender: chuck.zwicky@wavefront.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1998 21:19:02 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Chuck Zwicky Subject: Re: help finding a Peavey PC1600X In-Reply-To: References: <199811132046.PAA30886@keys.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"pFy2L.0.H44.wowJs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2808 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I use a Rolls MIDI Wizard. It features 8 CV inputs which can send continuous controller information via MIDI. At 12:24 PM 11/14/98 -0700, you wrote: >>Don't know the Kenton Electronics One. I thought that the Launchpad was >>meant to be a companion to the EMU Dance synths and not a general purpose >>MIDI controller. >> >> Kevin >> >> >>> >>> >This seems to be a really well thought out product and >>> >people I know who have it like it a lot. The only other similar device >>> >I'm aware of is from JLCooper .... >>> >>> Kenton Electronics make a similar device called the Control Freak. >>> Emu make one called the LaunchPad. >>> >>> Any others? >>> >>> >>> Simon >>> Canberra >>> AUSTRALIA > >there is also the Lexicon MRC, which has very extensive MIDI control but >only 4 physical sliders (which can be programmed to be 2 pages of 4 for a >total of 8) as well as 4 button and 2 external inputs. > >Edwin > >Edwin Hurwitz >Boulder CO >http://www.indra.com/~edwin > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Nov 16 00:16:38 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id AAA20434; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 00:16:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 00:16:38 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1998 20:00:28 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Dual EDP config. Resent-Message-ID: <"dRH6h1.0.Pj4.m9xJs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2809 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 6:46 PM -0800 11/15/98, Marzzz@aol.com wrote: >In a message dated 11/12/98 8:09:30 AM, Jim.Carter@bristol.ac.uk writes: > >>It was interesting that so many of you use two echoplexes >>(echoplicis - can we get an official verdict on this) to >>perform asyncronous loopage. > >That should be Echoplexi. nope, he had it right, "echoplicis". Dan Howarth provided us this education over two years ago: At 12:23 AM -0800 10/4/96, Dan Howarth wrote: >well, well... i think the word we're looking for here is 'echoplicis' - >from '-plex,-plicis'- it's a suffix usually formed from numeric words; >more or less like saying '-fold' as in 'hundred-fold'. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Nov 16 08:51:16 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id IAA21646; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 08:51:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 08:51:16 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 06:59:53 -0500 From: buzzard@world.std.com (Sean T Barrett) Message-Id: <199811161159.AA26364@world.std.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Dual EDP config. Resent-Message-ID: <"E8RhN1.0.YZ4.q82Ks"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2810 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com kim: >nope, he had it right, "echoplicis". Dan Howarth provided us this >education over two years ago: > >At 12:23 AM -0800 10/4/96, Dan Howarth wrote: >>well, well... i think the word we're looking for here is 'echoplicis' - >>from '-plex,-plicis'- it's a suffix usually formed from numeric words; >>more or less like saying '-fold' as in 'hundred-fold'. The only similar word that pops into my head is the word "simplex" (from mathematics), whose plural is "simplices", at least in the mathematics community. (www.m-w.com offers "simplexes", "simplices", or "simplicia"--but no "simplicis".) The only terms of the form Dan Howarth described that I can find in a dictionary are "duplex", "triplex", and "multiplex", but m-w is silent on the possibility of plurals. I hope this doesn't perplex! From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Nov 16 10:40:30 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id KAA31362; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 10:40:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 10:40:30 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Marzzz@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 08:37:01 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Dual EDP config. Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 189 Resent-Message-ID: <"Rg15X3.0.6F6.ka3Ks"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2811 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 11/15/98 10:15:00 PM, kflint@annihilist.com writes: <<>>It was interesting that so many of you use two echoplexes >>(echoplicis - can we get an official verdict on this) to >>perform asyncronous loopage. > >That should be Echoplexi. nope, he had it right, "echoplicis". Dan Howarth provided us this education over two years ago:>> Hmmmmm....you may be right. On reconsideration, "plexi" is the plural of "plexus," not "plex." Echoplexes? Marshall From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Nov 16 12:33:50 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id MAA11902; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 12:33:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 12:33:50 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19981116115430.006cd3bc@brooknorth.com> X-Sender: howard@brooknorth.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 11:54:30 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Howard Harawitz Subject: Re: Dual EDP config. In-Reply-To: <199811161159.AA26364@world.std.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"C4JNc1.0.4p1.Bb5Ks"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2812 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com There's also "index" and "indices" -- At 06:59 AM 11/16/98 -0500, you wrote: >kim: >>nope, he had it right, "echoplicis". Dan Howarth provided us this >>education over two years ago: >> >>At 12:23 AM -0800 10/4/96, Dan Howarth wrote: >>>well, well... i think the word we're looking for here is 'echoplicis' - >>>from '-plex,-plicis'- it's a suffix usually formed from numeric words; >>>more or less like saying '-fold' as in 'hundred-fold'. > >The only similar word that pops into my head >is the word "simplex" (from mathematics), whose >plural is "simplices", at least in the mathematics >community. (www.m-w.com offers "simplexes", >"simplices", or "simplicia"--but no "simplicis".) > >The only terms of the form Dan Howarth described >that I can find in a dictionary are "duplex", >"triplex", and "multiplex", but m-w is silent >on the possibility of plurals. > >I hope this doesn't perplex! > > ========================================================== Howard Harawitz howard@brooknorth.com ========================================================== Brooklyn North Software Works Inc. Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada Telephone: 1-902-423-0257 ========================================================== Check the Halifax Harbor Cam: http://www.brooknorth.com/camsite/ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Nov 16 13:35:42 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id NAA19389; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 13:35:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 13:35:42 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: KRosser414@aol.com Message-ID: <6d54d25f.365050cf@aol.com> Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 11:20:31 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Z Vex Looper Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 18 Resent-Message-ID: <"iTAAQ1.0.Kd2.s-5Ks"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2813 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com According to a website for a Z Vex dealer (Tone Frenzy), the company is now working on a 20-second analog looper called the "Low-Fi Loop Junkie". Ken R From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Nov 16 14:02:06 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id OAA22382; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 14:02:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 14:02:06 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: M3chakucha@aol.com Message-ID: <29bab3c1.365058a7@aol.com> Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 11:53:59 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, midiguitar@egroups.com, dthoms@cheerful.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Re: Sound Cards - an Inquiry [off topic] Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) sub 7 Resent-Message-ID: <"gUQzE.0.ad3.4T6Ks"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2814 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Dear all, I may have found a good solution and it is not that expensive for what it does... Check out this pair of sites in the UK. http://www.yamaha.co.uk/xg/html/products/p_sw1k.htm http://www.yamaha.co.uk/xg/html/products/p_phatb.htm and this one in the US: http://www.synthzone.com/sndcard.htm Sincerely, Lee Barnes From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Nov 16 15:11:09 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id PAA30982; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 15:11:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 15:11:09 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Jim_M_Shepherd@tivoli.com X-Lotus-FromDomain: TIVOLI SYSTEMS To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-ID: <862566BE.00617E8C.00@MTA-Austin2.tivoli.com> Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 12:52:13 -0500 Subject: Re: Dual EDP config. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"sPIc03.0.GE5.JK7Ks"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2815 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Not to mention "matrix" and "matrices" Howard Harawitz on 11/16/98 10:54:30 AM Please respond to Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com cc: (bcc: Jim M Shepherd/Tivoli Systems) Subject: Re: Dual EDP config. There's also "index" and "indices" -- At 06:59 AM 11/16/98 -0500, you wrote: >kim: >>nope, he had it right, "echoplicis". Dan Howarth provided us this >>education over two years ago: >> >>At 12:23 AM -0800 10/4/96, Dan Howarth wrote: >>>well, well... i think the word we're looking for here is 'echoplicis' - >>>from '-plex,-plicis'- it's a suffix usually formed from numeric words; >>>more or less like saying '-fold' as in 'hundred-fold'. > >The only similar word that pops into my head >is the word "simplex" (from mathematics), whose >plural is "simplices", at least in the mathematics >community. (www.m-w.com offers "simplexes", >"simplices", or "simplicia"--but no "simplicis".) > >The only terms of the form Dan Howarth described >that I can find in a dictionary are "duplex", >"triplex", and "multiplex", but m-w is silent >on the possibility of plurals. > >I hope this doesn't perplex! > > ========================================================== Howard Harawitz howard@brooknorth.com ========================================================== Brooklyn North Software Works Inc. Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada Telephone: 1-902-423-0257 ========================================================== Check the Halifax Harbor Cam: http://www.brooknorth.com/camsite/ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Nov 16 18:54:40 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id SAA25946; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 18:54:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 18:54:40 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3650A130.3BA9A200@bellsouth.net> Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 17:03:28 -0500 From: Jeff Duke X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.07 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Z Vex Looper References: <6d54d25f.365050cf@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"GAmB01.0._c4.WzAKs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2816 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com thats just great, now I need even more cash, I have such a gear Kong on my back. jeff KRosser414@aol.com wrote: > According to a website for a Z Vex dealer (Tone Frenzy), the company is now > working on a 20-second analog looper called the "Low-Fi Loop Junkie". > > Ken R From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Nov 16 19:25:00 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id TAA31630; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 19:25:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 19:25:00 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3650AE41.B7953639@netmail5.mnet.uswest.com> Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 15:59:13 -0700 From: James Lanpheer Reply-To: jlanphe@uswest.com Organization: USWest Database Marketing X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en]C-USWC0720 (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: help finding a Peavey PC1600X References: from "Simon" at Nov 14, 98 00:39:42 am Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <"E5KKG1.0.Nh6.3pBKs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2817 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Last time I was at Emu, they were blowing out the LaunchPad at $199 (i think...?). Check the "Factory Store" at their website... Jim Lanpheer Simon wrote: > > >Don't know the Kenton Electronics One. > > Check it at... > http://www.kenton.co.uk/ > > >I thought that the Launchpad was > >meant to be a companion to the EMU Dance synths and not a general purpose > >MIDI controller. > > I think that the LaunchPad was originally intended as a controller for the > Emu Orbit sound module, but all controls on the LaunchPad are assignable, > I'm using the LaunchPad with an Emu E6400 sampler. It can be used with > other MIDI gear as well, as most (if not all) sliders and buttons on the > LaunchPad can be assigned to whatever MIDI controller numbers you desire. > > - 4 assignable sliders, plus assignable expression pedal input. > - Pitch wheel and Modulation (assignable) slider. > - One octave velocity sensitive 'drum pad' keyboard (+5 ocatave, -4 ocatve > transposition range). > - Assignable trigger/transport control buttons. > - MIDI clock output. > - MIDI machine control. > - MIDI merge the MIDI input with LauchPad MIDI data. > + more. > > Simon > Canberra > AUSTRALIA -- ÐÏࡱá From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Nov 16 20:13:58 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id UAA06386; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 20:13:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 20:13:58 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: doug@mail.lightlink.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 18:27:06 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Doug Wyatt Subject: simple looper recommendation? Resent-Message-ID: <"OUaLJ.0.Ps7.FDCKs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2818 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi all, I'm looking for a new looper. I've been using a Sony D-7 delay, which has lots of cool and weird multitap effects, but only 2.6 seconds of delay time and a lot of hum. I've checked out a DOD Dimension 12. It has 12 seconds of delay time. The sampler features are kinda useless, as pointed out on this list - you can't overdub. It might be useful as a way to capture and trigger loops made with other gizmos. In delay mode it's usable for looping. The tap tempo feature is nice. But a 100%-regen loop has a way of gradually losing all of its high end, which really bothers me (is this an inherent flaw in many designs? The Sony doesn't seem to have this limitation. Maybe a cheap feedback implementation is done in the analog realm and a good one is done digitally. Or perhaps the DOD's regen knob only goes up to 0.997 and all those multiplications gradually remove the high frequencies, I dunno.) The EDP looks nice but is more than I want to spend. A JamMan looks like it would do the job, but prices on used ones seem to have gone through the roof. I'd be happy with 20 seconds of delay time with good fidelity, ideally with MIDI control over the delay time and feedback. The ability to have multiple loops is not a big deal, though maybe I'd grow to like it. I plan to check out Ken Mistove's Max-based thang (sounds great!), but at the moment I'm focused on finding something to carry around with me (and not a PowerBook). I'd appreciate any pointers. Thanks Doug -- Doug Wyatt doug@sonosphere.com Sonosphere (electric/improv music) http://www.sonosphere.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Nov 16 20:55:24 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id UAA12860; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 20:55:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 20:55:24 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19981116182835.007aa180@wavefront.com> X-Sender: chuck.zwicky@wavefront.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 18:28:35 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Chuck Zwicky Subject: Re: Dual EDP config. In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19981116115430.006cd3bc@brooknorth.com> References: <199811161159.AA26364@world.std.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"9JwBt3.0.882.H5DKs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2819 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I contend that the word to describe multiple EDP is simply "echoplex". Like sheep, fish, or popcorn. -Chuck Zwicky At 11:54 AM 11/16/98 -0400, you wrote: >There's also "index" and "indices" -- > >At 06:59 AM 11/16/98 -0500, you wrote: >>kim: >>>nope, he had it right, "echoplicis". Dan Howarth provided us this >>>education over two years ago: >>> >>>At 12:23 AM -0800 10/4/96, Dan Howarth wrote: >>>>well, well... i think the word we're looking for here is 'echoplicis' - >>>>from '-plex,-plicis'- it's a suffix usually formed from numeric words; >>>>more or less like saying '-fold' as in 'hundred-fold'. >> >>The only similar word that pops into my head >>is the word "simplex" (from mathematics), whose >>plural is "simplices", at least in the mathematics >>community. (www.m-w.com offers "simplexes", >>"simplices", or "simplicia"--but no "simplicis".) >> >>The only terms of the form Dan Howarth described >>that I can find in a dictionary are "duplex", >>"triplex", and "multiplex", but m-w is silent >>on the possibility of plurals. >> >>I hope this doesn't perplex! >> >> >========================================================== >Howard Harawitz howard@brooknorth.com >========================================================== >Brooklyn North Software Works Inc. >Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada >Telephone: 1-902-423-0257 >========================================================== >Check the Halifax Harbor Cam: http://www.brooknorth.com/camsite/ > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Nov 16 22:17:51 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id WAA24387; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 22:17:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 22:17:51 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 17:49:16 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: bay area folks -> party Resent-Message-ID: <"3DA16.0.2x4.RLEKs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2820 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hey, SF Bay Area loopfolks, I'm having a big party Sat, Nov 21. If any of you want to come, let me know privately and I'll get you details. Live looping and generally getting looped will be encouraged, naturally. Should be fun.... kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 17 01:05:56 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id BAA10424; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 01:05:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 01:05:56 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <51b99033.3650feb4@aol.com> Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 23:42:28 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: simple looper recommendation? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 170 Resent-Message-ID: <"xqQa43.0.b02.BsGKs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2821 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com doug.......take a look at a boomerang......."simple" is the oprative word.......michael From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 17 02:14:07 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id CAA16617; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 02:14:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 02:14:07 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: simon@mail.dynamite.com.au Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3650AE41.B7953639@netmail5.mnet.uswest.com> References: from "Simon" at Nov 14, 98 00:39:42 am Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 16:32:03 +1000 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Simon Subject: Re: help finding a Peavey PC1600X Resent-Message-ID: <"NZhWl3.0.CE3.3fHKs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2822 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Yes, the LaunchPad still is $199US from the factory direct sales on the Emu web site, that's why I bought one, a lot cheaper than the local retail price. But I am going to buy a Peavey PC1600x as well! Simon Canberra AUSTRALIA >Last time I was at Emu, they were blowing out the LaunchPad at $199 (i >think...?). Check the "Factory Store" at their website... > >Jim Lanpheer > > > >Simon wrote: >> >> >Don't know the Kenton Electronics One. >> >> Check it at... >> http://www.kenton.co.uk/ >> >> >I thought that the Launchpad was >> >meant to be a companion to the EMU Dance synths and not a general purpos= e >> >MIDI controller. >> >> I think that the LaunchPad was originally intended as a controller for th= e >> Emu Orbit sound module, but all controls on the LaunchPad are assignable, >> I'm using the LaunchPad with an Emu E6400 sampler. It can be used with >> other MIDI gear as well, as most (if not all) sliders and buttons on the >> LaunchPad can be assigned to whatever MIDI controller numbers you desire. >> >> - 4 assignable sliders, plus assignable expression pedal input. >> - Pitch wheel and Modulation (assignable) slider. >> - One octave velocity sensitive 'drum pad' keyboard (+5 ocatave, -4 ocatv= e >> transposition range). >> - Assignable trigger/transport control buttons. >> - MIDI clock output. >> - MIDI machine control. >> - MIDI merge the MIDI input with LauchPad MIDI data. >> + more. >> >> Simon >> Canberra >> AUSTRALIA > >-- >=D0=CF=11=E0=A1=B1=1A=E1 From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 17 03:38:26 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id DAA24723; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 03:38:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 03:38:26 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <365124F4.5FBE3DAE@texas.net> Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 01:25:47 -0600 From: Bobdog Catlin Reply-To: psbuddha@texas.net Organization: Pseudo Buddha/Doghouse Ent. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: simple looper recommendation...boomerang References: <51b99033.3650feb4@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"J55122.0.Ip5.TEJKs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2823 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com here here! check out the boomerang: cheap (relatively), easy, fun, built like a tank. bobdog From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 17 03:59:53 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id DAA26787; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 03:59:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 03:59:53 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <365128BB.D9AABB43@latrobe.edu.au> Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 18:41:48 +1100 From: Brad Knox Reply-To: B.Knox@latrobe.edu.au X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Subject: anyone using yamaha's spx1000? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"-xhXC3.0.wJ6.mXJKs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2824 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com hi all, recently spotted a cheap spx1000 (with no manual)... seems to have the typical 10 billion effects---one was called "freeze" which i guess is a looper (the parameters went record-overdub-etc) the delay time for that went up to 5400ms but i saw some things go up to ungodly times---the hall reverb decay went up to 240 seconds (a pretty big hall one would reckon)... anyone out there use/know of this device? i cant get that much info off yamaha's site... is 5.4secs the max? (even so it still would be pretty useable) cheers, brad From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 17 11:07:47 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id LAA28496; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 11:07:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 11:07:47 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19981117104253.006d7560@brooknorth.com> X-Sender: howard@brooknorth.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 10:42:53 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Howard Harawitz Subject: Re: bay area folks -> party In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"qW17A.0.SG6.vdPKs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2825 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com And I up and left Berkeley in 1981... I don't suppose that there will be a loopers party in the Halifax area anytime soon. Oh, well... At 05:49 PM 11/16/98 -0800, you wrote: >Hey, SF Bay Area loopfolks, > >I'm having a big party Sat, Nov 21. If any of you want to come, let me know >privately and I'll get you details. > >Live looping and generally getting looped will be encouraged, naturally. >Should be fun.... > >kim ========================================================== Howard Harawitz howard@brooknorth.com ========================================================== Brooklyn North Software Works Inc. Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada Telephone: 1-902-423-0257 ========================================================== Check the Halifax Harbor Cam: http://www.brooknorth.com/camsite/ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 17 11:25:45 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id LAA30825; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 11:25:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 11:25:45 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <365190D2.2C61@mdbs.com> Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 10:05:54 -0500 From: "Dennis W. Leas" X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win95; U) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Dual EDP config. References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"MABLP1.0.fq6.BvPKs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2826 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Chris Chovit wrote: > > dennis@mdbs.com wrote: > > The Shadow switch selects which EDP is controlled. BTW, I chose > >Shadow switches because they have a nifty, highly visible neon-colored > >indicator that shows > >which position they're in WITHOUT NEEDING POWER. > > Nice!! Where could I get some of these? I've been using a separate A/B > box, but your setup sounds slick! I assume that they switch BOTH > conductors, as opposed to just one (with a common ground)?..... I mispelled the name, actually. They're called "Schadow" switch and they're manufactured by ITT Cannon. I bought them through GC Electronics. In the GC Electronics catalog number GC-00CG-6567 they're listed under catalog number 35-490 and are called "Power Pushbutton Switch". They're a little pricey, around $20. I suppose you could set them up to switch both conductors. They're DPDT. I don't know why you would need to switch both conductors. I switch only one and have never had any problems. > > What do you suppose I could use to switch between more than two plexes??... A good question... - Dennis Leas -- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 17 13:09:48 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id NAA11541; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 13:09:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 13:09:48 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Dpcoffin@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 11:52:25 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Korg delay/studio set-up (Was: simple looper recommendation?) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 85 Resent-Message-ID: <"kGyHX.0.5M2.8YRKs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2829 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com PS to my Korg DL8000R post: FYI, there's a schematic of the way I have my DL delay and other effects set up in my studio, using a couple of mixers, etc. at: vg-8.com, under Users, David Coffin. This is NOT a portable system, but it's a very flexible one for real-time, hands-free performance and spontaneous interaction (sort of a budget SWITCHBLADE emulation...) dpc From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 17 13:09:50 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id NAA11544; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 13:09:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 13:09:50 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Dpcoffin@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 11:43:37 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: simple looper recommendation? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 85 Resent-Message-ID: <"xPpvQ1.0.Z72.rPRKs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2828 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Consider a Korg DL8000R (street US$380-400): 10 sec mono looping, 5 sec stereo, lots of editing options, user presets and full MIDI imp., and cool multi-tap rhythm presets. Add a volume pedal in front for delay send and an expression pedal to control feedback. Works great, very hi-fi, but with filters if you want lo... dpc From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 17 12:36:24 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id MAA07498; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 12:36:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 12:36:24 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <01BE121B.49078880@209-122-212-89.s89.tnt6.ftw.erols.com> From: John Celano To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: jam man pedals Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 11:13:14 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_NextPart_000_01BE121B.49078880" Resent-Message-ID: <"JvfmJ2.0.vB1.UyQKs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2827 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com ------ =_NextPart_000_01BE121B.49078880 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks for the advice. It definitely opens up the creative = possibilities. I'm currently using the foot controller from my old gsp = 21 and it works out great. do you have other suggestions on current = stand alone units.=20 thanks again=20 John -----Original Message----- From: Patrick Smith [SMTP:patrick@his.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 1998 1:12 PM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: jam man pedals >Does any one have any suggestions for pedals to use w/ the jamman/ = vortex. >I have noticed some incompatibility with some pedals so any input would >be greatly appreciated. > >thanks in advance > >John I found the best way was via MIDI as this opens up all of the Jam Man's potential. Patrick Now Available: FingerPaint Primary Colors: BLUE "can be edgy and intense as well as relaxing...." 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If any of you want to come, let me know privately and I'll get you details. >> Excuse ME, but can we please keep the posts on this list ON TOPIC? (stamping foot) Really! - Crossedout@aol.com *with tongue planted firmly in cheek* From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 17 20:38:04 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id UAA06631; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 20:38:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 20:38:04 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 16:17:41 -0800 Message-ID: <0015365B.C21407@wj.com> From: Mike.Biffle@wj.com (Mike Biffle) Subject: Re[2]: bay area folks -> party To: Crossedout@aol.com, loopers-delight@annihilist.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Resent-Message-ID: <"syxuB2.0.LO1.MBYKs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2831 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com kflint@annihilist.com writes: >> I'm having a big party Sat, Nov 21. If any of you want to come, let me know >> privately and I'll get you details. > - Crossedout@aol.com *with tongue planted firmly in cheek* > Excuse ME, but can we please keep the posts on this list ON TOPIC? (stamping > foot) Really! I LOOP! Therefore, I have more time left to party ... -m "The usual distractions!... blah, blah ... " From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 17 21:23:33 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id VAA12164; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 21:23:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 21:23:33 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <2.2.32.19981118005358.008555e4@pop.chromatic.com> X-Sender: kflint@pop.chromatic.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 16:53:58 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: bay area folks -> party Resent-Message-ID: <"QRsSN1.0.kT2.vjYKs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2832 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 06:27 PM 11/17/98 EST, you wrote: >In a message dated 11/16/98 8:16:16 PM Central Standard Time, >kflint@annihilist.com writes: > ><< I'm having a big party Sat, Nov 21. If any of you want to come, let me know > privately and I'll get you details. > >> >Excuse ME, but can we please keep the posts on this list ON TOPIC? >(stamping foot) >Really! > I heard some rumor that there might be not-yet-released echpolex software at this party. How's that? kim _________________________________________________________ Kim Flint, MTS kflint@chromatic.com Chromatic Research 408-752-9284 http://www.chromatic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 18 06:03:54 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id GAA17677; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 06:03:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 06:03:54 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19981118095306.5327.rocketmail@send102.yahoomail.com> Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 01:53:06 -0800 (PST) From: John Tidwell Subject: newbie with a plex ? To: Loopers Delight MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"8Svx2.0._E3.ZRgKs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2833 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Although I've had my Echoplex for almost a year, I've yet to buy a foot controller. I've been getting by with a couple of sustain pedals. I have an X-15 controller, but only one of its switches can be programmed to act as a momentary switch. I don't like the feel of the switches for looping purposes anyway. I'm hesitant to buy the Oberheim controller since it is single purpose and I would like more bang for my buck. So here's my question: Has anyone tried the Roland PK-5 pedalboard with the Echoplex? Based on what little I've read, it seems ideal. Thirteen momentary switches sending midi note on & off messages, and since it's midi, I could use it with my GR-1 or Yamaha keyboard. I could not find anything on this in the archives & I'm a new subscriber, so I hope this is something that hasn't been covered ad nauseum. Greetings from Newnan, Georgia! The pit-stop for FDR & Jimmy Carter. == John Tidwell _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 18 06:27:07 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id GAA26580; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 06:27:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 06:27:07 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <36529E9E.70571EB1@vete.ucl.ac.be> Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 11:17:04 +0100 From: Malhomme Reply-To: malhomme@vete.ucl.ac.be X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [fr] (Macintosh; I; PPC) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: off topic (sorry) References: <199811180805.DAA14631@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"hbS4B3.0.SU5.pngKs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2834 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I have a question for you all. Id like to find a soft (on mac) allowing me to burn a CD as it is on the original. My point: I working on a ballet. The people want to insert a few tracks of the firebird (Stravinski). Trouble, with my softs, Toast inserts 2 seconds blank each track change, and with jam I have to extract audio, make a new play list..... etc. Is there a soft that will just copy the tracks as they are??? Olivier Malhomme From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 18 09:28:30 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id JAA31292; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 09:28:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 09:28:30 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19981118131353.13432.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [207.94.66.242] From: "Matt Rowe" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: off topic (sorry) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 05:13:53 PST Resent-Message-ID: <"8wXf8.0.kR6.bQjKs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2835 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com hi all, i'm not sure if sonic foundry's cd architect will run on mac. if it does, then it will do what you want... and a whole lot more. it's relatively expensive, but you get it for free when you buy one of the event sister soundcards... which may be ultimately cheaper. matt >Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 11:17:04 +0100 >From: Malhomme >Reply-To: malhomme@vete.ucl.ac.be >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Subject: off topic (sorry) > >I have a question for you all. >Id like to find a soft (on mac) allowing me to burn a CD as it is on the >original. >My point: I working on a ballet. The people want to insert a few tracks of the >firebird (Stravinski). Trouble, with my softs, Toast inserts 2 seconds blank >each track change, and with jam I have to extract audio, make a new play >list..... etc. >Is there a soft that will just copy the tracks as they are??? > >Olivier Malhomme > The price I pay for free, private email is the following commercial message... ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 18 11:49:38 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id LAA25124; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 11:49:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 11:49:38 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19981118152805.28463.rocketmail@send105.yahoomail.com> Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 07:28:05 -0800 (PST) From: dan sumner Subject: roland dr. sample To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"LY7Zp2.0.cj3.SLlKs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2836 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Has anyone used the Dr. Sample by roland? I'm interested but am wary after being duped by roland before with the GR1. ---Howard Harawitz wrote: > > Roland has a DJ sampler too. In fact there are several of these things on > the market by Alesis, Yamaha and others. > > Does anyone on the list have any comments about using these things and how > they compare to delay devices like the EDP for looping? > > > At 02:11 AM 11/8/98 EST, you wrote: > >From the most recent Sweetwater "InSync" online newsletter: > >< MDSDRE1 > >has arrived. It's a MiniDisc-based platform with sampling trigger banks and > >all sorts of instant looping and scratching features, including the > >obligatory big rubber scratch wheel. Speed and pitch can be adjusted > >independent of one another or together via a very simple dual slider > >mechanism. The neat thing is that with their ATRAC compression technology > >it's easy to record any performance you do right back to a MiniDisc and have > >it ready to play instantly - all in real time. An experienced DJ could > >really work some magic with this thing. Retail price $1200.>> > >So, I wonder if it can be controlled with a foot switch? > >dpc > > > > > ========================================================== > Howard Harawitz howard@brooknorth.com > ========================================================== > Brooklyn North Software Works Inc. > Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada > Telephone: 1-902-423-0257 > ========================================================== > Check the Halifax Harbor Cam: http://www.brooknorth.com/camsite/ > > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 18 12:05:12 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id MAA32096; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 12:05:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 12:05:12 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3652EC6C.13808082@texas.net> Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 09:49:01 -0600 From: Bobdog Catlin Reply-To: psbuddha@texas.net Organization: Pseudo Buddha/Doghouse Ent. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: malhomme@vete.ucl.ac.be, Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Mac cd burning question (off topic, sorry) References: <199811180805.DAA14631@rosy.yourwebhost.com> <36529E9E.70571EB1@vete.ucl.ac.be> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"9shhj2.0.9N6.ZilKs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2837 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com hi olivier - i have had that exact problem. some things to try: 1) if your internal cd-rom is scsi, try making a scsi image copy w/toast (mine is eide, so i can't do this...) 2) try altering the pause in toast by clicking on the pause & changing the "2" to a "0". if you get an alert box explaining that you can't do this, leave the 2 second pause before the first track alone & try changing all the others. (i use a panasonic 7502 & this doesn't work on it, but perhaps it will on yours.) 3) you may just have to deal with the hassle of using toast extractor. i know that there are a folks on this list who are smarter than me about this sort of thing (perhaps travis h.), so maybe the right answer will appear. good luck, bobdog From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 18 12:08:11 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id MAA00617; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 12:08:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 12:08:11 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3652EDB0.B0D3F300@texas.net> Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 09:54:26 -0600 From: Bobdog Catlin Reply-To: psbuddha@texas.net Organization: Pseudo Buddha/Doghouse Ent. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: off topic some more (sorry) References: <19981118131353.13432.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"H7AoT3.0._w6.JnlKs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2838 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com hi all - i don't think sonic foundry makes mac compatible versions of their software; i wish they would. the question should be "why not?", alot of folks doing computer audio are mac based, right? golly, don't get me started... if i'm wrong, please tell me because i would *love* to use their cd architect & noise reduction! bobdog From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 18 21:59:20 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id OAA02304; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 14:43:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 14:43:38 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <910DB0F2FCC3D111B22C00805F654C950856D1@EXCHANGENY> From: Thomas Rupolo To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: Roland Dr. Sample Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 13:26:01 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <"DzpK73.0.sB7.U1oKs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2839 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I bought one of these a few months back. And to tell you the truth I'd probably be a bit frustrated with it if I didn't already have the echoplex to use in conjunction with it. You may want to hear from someone who only uses the Dr. Sample. I found it great for taking drum samples, spoken word phrases, or short vocal samples. You can then manipulate them by changing pitch, time-stretch, add delay, or can filter them using two different envelopes. You cannot overdub . You can play up to four samples at once, as long as you do not use any effects. You can sample using the two RCA jacks or the built-in mike. The samples remain after you shut the power off. Sampling is easy to do and the BPM feature lets you come *close* to syncing it up to other rhythms - at least for a few bars - it does have a tendency to drift a bit. I haven't used its MIDI applications yet but I've been led to understand that they're rather limited. With the standard factory memory you can get up to 16 samples stored at once in two banks that are triggered by 8 pads, but at 12.5 seconds (if you want top quality samples) they will be VERY short. A huge drawback is that most of the effects can only be used with its internal memory. If you buy the pricey memory cards you get two more banks to sample with and a lot more sample time. You can still change the pitch but not the time. Nor can you add delay. You can still filter the samples, though, which is great fun. I have a convoluted way of using it. I will often take a sample on the EDP, and re-sample to the Doctor. Then I'll manipulate it to my heart's content . After sending it to the EDP again, I will then overdub using the manipulated sample, which will be copied to other loops only to be overdubbed some more. Overall I'd say it is worth the $300, depending on what you want to do with it. I plan on writing a more detailed review of the unit for the Tools page when I have a spare moment..... > -----Original Message----- > From: dan sumner [SMTP:permadan@yahoo.com] > Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 1998 10:28 AM > To: TRUPOLO@rizzoliusa.com > Subject: roland dr. sample > > Has anyone used the Dr. Sample by roland? I'm > interested but am wary after being duped by roland before with the > GR1. > > > > > ---Howard Harawitz wrote: > > > > Roland has a DJ sampler too. In fact there are several of these > things on > > the market by Alesis, Yamaha and others. > > > > Does anyone on the list have any comments about using these things > and how > > they compare to delay devices like the EDP for looping? > > > > > > At 02:11 AM 11/8/98 EST, you wrote: > > >From the most recent Sweetwater "InSync" online newsletter: > > >< Sony > > MDSDRE1 > > >has arrived. It's a MiniDisc-based platform with sampling trigger > banks and > > >all sorts of instant looping and scratching features, including the > > >obligatory big rubber scratch wheel. Speed and pitch can be > adjusted > > >independent of one another or together via a very simple dual > slider > > >mechanism. The neat thing is that with their ATRAC compression > technology > > >it's easy to record any performance you do right back to a MiniDisc > and have > > >it ready to play instantly - all in real time. An experienced DJ > could > > >really work some magic with this thing. Retail price $1200.>> > > >So, I wonder if it can be controlled with a foot switch? > > >dpc > > > > > > > > ========================================================== > > Howard Harawitz howard@brooknorth.com > > ========================================================== > > Brooklyn North Software Works Inc. > > Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada > > Telephone: 1-902-423-0257 > > ========================================================== > > Check the Halifax Harbor Cam: http://www.brooknorth.com/camsite/ > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > DO YOU YAHOO!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 18 23:05:16 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id XAA22829; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 23:05:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 23:05:16 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Collins" To: Subject: Re: Roland Dr. Sample Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 21:52:33 -0500 Message-ID: <01be1367$a7fbaa40$491bbfa8@0QHC6SIA> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"P1WMX.0.9K4.vPvKs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2840 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I do believe that police scanner nut, Scanner uses one of these on some new stuff he's doing. Maybe this can help a little. Jeff Collins -----Original Message----- From: Thomas Rupolo To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Wednesday, November 18, 1998 2:43 PM Subject: RE: Roland Dr. Sample >I bought one of these a few months back. And to tell you the truth I'd >probably be a bit frustrated with it if I didn't already have the >echoplex to use in conjunction with it. You may want to hear from >someone who only uses the Dr. Sample. > >I found it great for taking drum samples, spoken word phrases, or short >vocal samples. You can then manipulate them by changing pitch, >time-stretch, add delay, or can filter them using two different >envelopes. You cannot overdub . You can play up to four samples at >once, as long as you do not use any effects. You can sample using the >two RCA jacks or the built-in mike. The samples remain after you shut >the power off. > >Sampling is easy to do and the BPM feature lets you come *close* to >syncing it up to other rhythms - at least for a few bars - it does have >a tendency to drift a bit. I haven't used its MIDI applications yet but >I've been led to understand that they're rather limited. > >With the standard factory memory you can get up to 16 samples stored at >once in two banks that are triggered by 8 pads, but at 12.5 seconds (if >you want top quality samples) they will be VERY short. A huge drawback >is that most of the effects can only be used with its internal memory. >If you buy the pricey memory cards you get two more banks to sample with >and a lot more sample time. You can still change the pitch but not the >time. Nor can you add delay. You can still filter the samples, though, >which is great fun. > >I have a convoluted way of using it. I will often take a sample on the >EDP, and re-sample to the Doctor. Then I'll manipulate it to my heart's >content . After sending it to the EDP again, I will then overdub using >the manipulated sample, which will be copied to other loops only to be >overdubbed some more. > >Overall I'd say it is worth the $300, depending on what you want to do >with it. I plan on writing a more detailed review of the unit for the >Tools page when I have a spare moment..... > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: dan sumner [SMTP:permadan@yahoo.com] >> Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 1998 10:28 AM >> To: TRUPOLO@rizzoliusa.com >> Subject: roland dr. sample >> >> Has anyone used the Dr. Sample by roland? I'm >> interested but am wary after being duped by roland before with the >> GR1. >> >> >> >> >> ---Howard Harawitz wrote: >> > >> > Roland has a DJ sampler too. In fact there are several of these >> things on >> > the market by Alesis, Yamaha and others. >> > >> > Does anyone on the list have any comments about using these things >> and how >> > they compare to delay devices like the EDP for looping? >> > >> > >> > At 02:11 AM 11/8/98 EST, you wrote: >> > >From the most recent Sweetwater "InSync" online newsletter: >> > ><> Sony >> > MDSDRE1 >> > >has arrived. It's a MiniDisc-based platform with sampling trigger >> banks and >> > >all sorts of instant looping and scratching features, including the >> > >obligatory big rubber scratch wheel. Speed and pitch can be >> adjusted >> > >independent of one another or together via a very simple dual >> slider >> > >mechanism. The neat thing is that with their ATRAC compression >> technology >> > >it's easy to record any performance you do right back to a MiniDisc >> and have >> > >it ready to play instantly - all in real time. An experienced DJ >> could >> > >really work some magic with this thing. Retail price $1200.>> >> > >So, I wonder if it can be controlled with a foot switch? >> > >dpc >> > > >> > > >> > ========================================================== >> > Howard Harawitz howard@brooknorth.com >> > ========================================================== >> > Brooklyn North Software Works Inc. >> > Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada >> > Telephone: 1-902-423-0257 >> > ========================================================== >> > Check the Halifax Harbor Cam: http://www.brooknorth.com/camsite/ >> > >> > >> >> _________________________________________________________ >> DO YOU YAHOO!? >> Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 18 23:56:37 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id XAA13114; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 23:56:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 23:56:37 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19981118224346.007b2160@mindspring.com> X-Sender: zanga@mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 22:43:46 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Rik Myers Subject: Re: roland dr. sample In-Reply-To: <19981118152805.28463.rocketmail@send105.yahoomail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"g07hq3.0.Wq1.v7wKs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2841 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >Has anyone used the Dr. Sample by roland? I'm >interested but am wary after being duped by roland before with the GR1. Hey Dan, what do mean about being duped with the GR1? Just curious...I have one, like it, play it alot (mostly synth pads) in conjunction with the VG-8. Hasta -> Rik From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Nov 19 00:55:08 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id AAA04800; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 00:55:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 00:55:08 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: simon@mail.dynamite.com.au Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <36529E9E.70571EB1@vete.ucl.ac.be> References: <199811180805.DAA14631@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 15:35:45 +1000 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Simon Subject: Re: off topic (sorry) Cc: malhomme@vete.ucl.ac.be Resent-Message-ID: <"PceZn3.0.2z7.H0xKs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2842 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >I have a question for you all. >Id like to find a soft (on mac) allowing me to burn a CD as it is on the >original. >My point: I working on a ballet. The people want to insert a few tracks of the >firebird (Stravinski). Trouble, with my softs, Toast inserts 2 seconds blank >each track change, and with jam I have to extract audio, make a new play >list..... etc. >Is there a soft that will just copy the tracks as they are??? Can't you set Toast to put a zero second gap between tracks, but it will still have an auidble click if sound is playing between the tracks. You could use Toast to do a SCSI copy from the Mac internal CDROM drive to the CDR drive, if you have a SCSI internal CDROM drive. But this will still put a very short gap between tracks, only noticable if you have sound that plays over the track gaps, this is because Toast only copies in track-at-once mode and turns the CDR laser off between tracks. With Jam, you use the Toast Audio Extractor and save the extracted image as a Jam playlist file, you choose this filetype from the options menu. Then you shouldn't have to make a new playlist when you load it into Jam. As for doing an exact CD to CDR copy of an audio CD, in disc-at-once mode without any gaps at all, I don't know of any Mac software that will do it without extracting first! Hope this helps, Simon Canberra AUSTRALIA From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Nov 19 01:50:32 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id BAA27144; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 01:50:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 01:50:32 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 00:37:29 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Roland Dr. Sample Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 170 Resent-Message-ID: <"h62pn3.0.2c5.pqxKs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2843 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 11/18/98 11:40:29 PM Mid-Atlantic Standard Time, TRUPOLO@rizzoliusa.com writes: << You can still filter the samples, though, which is great fun. >> this concept of filtering a sample sounds wonderful........but would someone care to tell me what it means to "filter the samples"......lets say i have a 5 sec. vocal sample in my rang or edp or jammie----> then what happens.......where can i send this signal and what can i do with it to "filter the samples"? just wonderin'............michael p.s. thanks for the review on the Dr. Sample From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Nov 19 07:43:04 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id HAA02085; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 07:43:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 07:43:04 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3654016B.45A9D0FC@vete.ucl.ac.be> Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 12:30:52 +0100 From: Malhomme Reply-To: malhomme@vete.ucl.ac.be X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [fr] (Macintosh; I; PPC) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: thanks and looping fretless References: <199811190805.DAA25398@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"b5H1x.0.EA7.Yx0Ls"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2844 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I want to express my thaks to everyoone who helped me on this question of blanks in cd files burning. I just wanted also to stretch this: I have recently rediscovered the use of the E-bow on my fretless guitar. While it was something I used in the past, iI had somehow let it down for a while. I couldn't stop looping rhythm parts on singing E-bowed voices. You get the best of all world: the attack, the sound and the sustain with the ability to raise volume in a middle of a sustained note. AH! pradise paradise..... Olivier Mlahomme From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Nov 19 11:12:28 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id LAA18769; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 11:12:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 11:12:28 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 08:01:53 -0600 (CST) Sender: crash@waste.org From: Todd Madson To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Mac CD Burning Questions Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"PbTbD2.0.go5.YD3Ls"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2845 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com What you need is Adaptec Jam, not Toast. Jam is more suited to audio CD burning and setting up of index marks and timings, as Jam is more of a straight burning software that is used for the backup of software, and it can do audio but not nearly as nicely as Jam can. What you need is Adaptec Jam. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Nov 19 11:14:19 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id LAA19520; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 11:14:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 11:14:19 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <910DB0F2FCC3D111B22C00805F654C95085711@EXCHANGENY> From: Thomas Rupolo To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: Roland Dr. Sample Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 09:57:49 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"nj8831.0.tY3.M44Ls"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2846 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >>but would someone care to tell me what it means to "filter the samples?" I can't give you a true technical definition of a filter, but in the case of Dr. Sample there are two different waveforms called envelopes that filter out the high end of whatever sound you put through it. You can sweep the amount of highs cut by turning the knob. This effect is heard just about anywhere but it is especially prevalent in house/techno, drum'n'bass, trip hop, etc. I think I've read someplace that you can route a signal through the Dr. Sample to use the effect, without actually sampling the sound first. My setup is too convoluted for me to use it as an effect device, so I haven't attempted to use it that way (yet.) For anyone who wants a variety of opinions on the unit, there are plenty of comments on the Dr. Sample at www.the-gas-station.com. Click on the new reviews section and look for the boss/roland sp-202. > -----Original Message----- > From: Nemoguitt@aol.com [SMTP:Nemoguitt@aol.com] > Sent: Thursday, November 19, 1998 12:37 AM > To: TRUPOLO@rizzoliusa.com > Subject: Re: Roland Dr. Sample > > In a message dated 11/18/98 11:40:29 PM Mid-Atlantic Standard Time, > TRUPOLO@rizzoliusa.com writes: > > << You can still filter the samples, though, > which is great fun. >> > this concept of filtering a sample sounds wonderful........but would > someone > care to tell me what it means to "filter the samples"......lets say i > have a 5 > sec. vocal sample in my rang or edp or jammie----> then what > happens.......where can i send this signal and what can i do with it > to > "filter the samples"? just wonderin'............michael > p.s. thanks for the review on the Dr. Sample From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Nov 19 12:30:58 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id MAA19454; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 12:30:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 12:30:58 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199811191602.IAA35024@scv3.apple.com> Subject: Burning audio CD's with seemless crossfades Date: Thu, 19 Nov 98 10:03:10 -0600 x-sender: hartne.t@mail.apple.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: Travis Hartnett To: "Looper's Delight" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <"1Kv7r.0.LS2.x15Ls"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2847 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Adaptec Jam will let you do crossfades between audio tracks. You can set the fade time, make it a hard-edit, etc. Travis Hartnett From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Nov 19 13:09:33 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id NAA02881; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 13:09:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 13:09:33 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19981119165342.20152.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [206.191.179.84] From: "Dan Bartell" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Roland Dr. Sample/Filters MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 08:53:42 PST Resent-Message-ID: <"tcBep1.0.lG7.fk5Ls"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2848 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Something that I've found that is absolutely amazing for filtering is the Waldorf 4-pole. It's small, easy to use, and you can filter ANY audio signal that you patch into it via a 1/4" jack. I use it on my tablas before I run them through the echoplex. Check it out at: http://www.waldorf-gmbh.de/4pole/4pole.html ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Nov 19 16:25:28 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id QAA18987; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 16:25:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 16:25:28 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 11:56:48 -0800 Message-ID: <00155004.C21407@wj.com> From: Mike.Biffle@wj.com (Mike Biffle) Subject: Re[2]: Roland Dr. Sample/Filters To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, "Dennis W. Leas" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Resent-Message-ID: <"1zlr2.0.Zu2.jY8Ls"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2850 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Dan Bartell wrote: >> >> Something that I've found that is absolutely amazing for filtering is >> the Waldorf 4-pole. It's small, easy to use, and you can filter ANY >> audio signal that you patch into it via a 1/4" jack. I use it on my >> tablas before I run them through the echoplex. Check it out at: >> http://www.waldorf-gmbh.de/4pole/4pole.html >So, you said the magic word, "tablas". You got my interest. I looked >at the website but don't have a good idea as to how the Waldorf 4-pole >makes things sound. Can you give more detail? Can you point me to some >sound files? Thanks! - Dennis Leas Generally, a filter is a form of equalization. A wha-wha pedal is a simple example of sweeping a filter. Resonant filters amplify the signal around the cutoff frequency, accentuating that particular relatively narrow frequency range. Auto-filters or "triggered wha's" do this sort of sweeping automatically based usually on the input envelope of the instrument. At the most full featured end of the spectrum are midi controlled filters with ADSR control, envelope input control, LFO control w/various waveforms etc. Lot's of options! The trend has been towards analog filters which sound very fat. It's also useful to overdrive the input of these filters for even more supposed "fatness". Some of the more full featured filters are the Sherman Filterbank, the Peavy (something or other which is quite reasonable and rackmount), The Mutronics Mutator, Waldorf 4-pole (tabletop) and X-pole (2sp rackmount stereo pair) and if you're interested in a cool sound module w/resonant filters which allow audio input as well, there's the Waldorf Pulse Plus ... Awesome analog bass sounds as well as wild event types of sounds and fx. The there's the Waldorf Microwave XT which is a full-on polyphonic synth with even more capable filters as well as audio input... Whew. I have a Waldorf 4-pole filter and like the previous poster, I'm in love with it. I'm barely utilizing it's full capabilities, but still far exceeding the abilities of the very best stomp box auto-filters... (which do sound quite good ... Lovetone Meatball, EH Q-Tron, Guyatone Wah Rocker) Oh yeah ... at least my 4-pole and all the other Waldorf filters at higher resonance settings will self oscillate allowing all sorts of spacey sounds. You CAN loop these babies, or place them after the loop for mutating that as well as drumboxes etc. Ay! yi! yi! Filter madness!!! -miko From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Nov 19 17:02:46 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id RAA02137; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 17:02:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 17:02:46 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 14:34:08 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199811192034.OAA23668@mw3.texas.net> X-Sender: sharkey@mail.texas.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: james rhodes Subject: Looping etc. in San Antonio 11/21/98 Resent-Message-ID: <"qb-KY2.0.Q97.Z99Ls"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2851 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com hello any listmembers in the area, The Jack-booted Thugs will be playing on Sat. Night in San Antonio at La Tuna.(8:00pm) 100 Probandt St. (210) 224-8862 i will be playing Chapman Stick and keys.. there will also be quite a few special guests(from various local bands) to add to the outdoor evening. thanks a bunch, james From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Nov 19 22:06:24 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id PAA21590; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 15:13:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 15:13:30 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <36546B7C.4B00@mdbs.com> Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 14:03:24 -0500 From: "Dennis W. Leas" X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win95; U) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Roland Dr. Sample/Filters References: <19981119165342.20152.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"oRz5M.0.l24.jZ7Ls"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2849 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Dan Bartell wrote: > > Something that I've found that is absolutely amazing for filtering is > the Waldorf 4-pole. It's small, easy to use, and you can filter ANY > audio signal that you patch into it via a 1/4" jack. I use it on my > tablas before I run them through the echoplex. Check it out at: > http://www.waldorf-gmbh.de/4pole/4pole.html So, you said the magic word, "tablas". You got my interest. I looked at the website but don't have a good idea as to how the Waldorf 4-pole makes things sound. Can you give more detail? Can you point me to some sound files? Thanks! - Dennis Leas -- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Nov 20 09:57:05 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id JAA00552; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 09:57:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 09:57:05 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Crossedout@aol.com Message-ID: <7a0edc77.3655711e@aol.com> Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 08:39:42 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Ay! yi! yi! Filter madness!!! Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Resent-Message-ID: <"83IJ4.0.Nb6.--NLs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2852 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 11/19/98 2:23:57 PM Central Standard Time, Mike.Biffle@wj.com writes: << Ay! yi! yi! Filter madness!!! >> does anyone have any schematics or know of where I can find the plans to build any of these filters? Especially "q" filters and the like? And has anyone heard the Moog Moogerfooger filters yet? Thanks in advance... I know I can count on this bunch! - Bill Crossedout@aol.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Nov 20 10:32:14 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id KAA14936; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 10:32:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 10:32:14 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <002201be148e$170b9860$c5b854ce@mark.asisoftware.com> From: Mark@asisoftware.com (Mark Kata) To: Subject: Re: Ay! yi! yi! Filter madness!!! Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 09:00:11 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"mk9xD1.0.am.nIOLs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2853 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com There are soundbytes of the Moogerfooger filter and ring modulator on Big Briar's website (http://www.bigbriar.com). Mark Kata Mark @asisoftware.com -----Original Message----- From: Crossedout@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Friday, November 20, 1998 9:00 AM Subject: Ay! yi! yi! Filter madness!!! >In a message dated 11/19/98 2:23:57 PM Central Standard Time, >Mike.Biffle@wj.com writes: > ><< Ay! yi! yi! > Filter madness!!! >> > >does anyone have any schematics or know of where I can find the plans to build >any of these filters? Especially "q" filters and the like? > >And has anyone heard the Moog Moogerfooger filters yet? > >Thanks in advance... I know I can count on this bunch! >- Bill >Crossedout@aol.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Nov 20 11:42:48 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id LAA11733; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 11:42:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 11:42:48 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Sender: r_t_cummings@csi.com Message-ID: <3654C464.10BBDD0@csi.com> Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 02:22:44 +0100 From: Cummings X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [de] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Roland Dr. Sample/Filters References: <19981119165342.20152.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"0c6M-3.0.pL1.pXPLs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2854 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hey Dan, this sounds like something that sounds cool. Whatever. Anyways, tell us more about your work with the Waldorf. Have you heard the recent release from a guy who calls himself "Pole" and bases all of his tunes on a BROKEN waldorf 4-pole? later, rob Dan Bartell schrieb: > > Something that I've found that is absolutely amazing for filtering is > the Waldorf 4-pole. It's small, easy to use, and you can filter ANY > audio signal that you patch into it via a 1/4" jack. I use it on my > tablas before I run them through the echoplex. Check it out at: > http://www.waldorf-gmbh.de/4pole/4pole.html > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Nov 20 15:30:09 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id PAA08893; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 15:30:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 15:30:09 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19981120151053.010e2980@brooknorth.com> X-Sender: howard@brooknorth.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 15:10:53 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Howard Harawitz Subject: Re: Roland Dr. Sample/Filters In-Reply-To: <36546B7C.4B00@mdbs.com> References: <19981119165342.20152.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"Pandk2.0.hG.QrSLs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2855 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi all, If the Waldorf-4-Pole interests you, you might want to check out the forthcoming ("real-soon-now" -- well, they say December) Nord MicroModular from Clavia in Sweden. It's the equivalent of an old fashioned modular synth, but virtual, and on steroids. It has an external input so you can apply to your sound, not only a filter or two, but any combination of the many dozens of modules it comes with, including convolutions of filters, vocoding, envelopes, ring modulation, and things you probably haven't even imagined yet. It should have a street price of US$700-800 (list is $995, I think) when it comes out in December. I have had an original Nord Modular since June. These days, when most synths have only minimal LCD displays and spartan interfaces, the NM includes its own on-screen editor. It is actually fun, interesting and even inspiring to program one of these. It is without doubt the most versatile synth I have ever owned (I started back in the 70's with an ARP 2600)-- and it sounds fantastic. You can load the hardware, from your computer, with up to 100 virtual modular synths of your own design, and each one can be of just about any degree of complexity. For instance, imagine a dozen or more individually tuned oscillators (a mix of sine waves, pulse waves, and triangle waves, if you like), processed in parallel through 2 or 3 (or 4 or ?) resonant filters in series, the bandwidth of each of which is modulated by its own VFO whose frequency varies with the key you play, while resonance is a function of the mod wheel position on your MIDI controller, and you can use a pedal to add noise (white, pink, or whatever) to the output. At the same time, as part of the same patch, a Moog-like bass sequence which is MIDI synched to your Echoplex, is started and stopped by alternate presses of the C#5 key on your keyboard. If that's still not enough, you could hook up a few more oscillators to spice up the patch with a layer of FM sound. You can really do stuff like this. And after storing up to 100 of these kinds of patches in the hardware, you can disconnect it from your computer so you need to carry only the Nord Modular -- mine is the two-octave keyboard version which fits in a briefcase -- to the gig, class, session, garage, or whatever. That's why I would part with ANY of my other synths (including a Minimoog) before I would let the Nord Modular out of my sight. One caveat -- you need a Windows 95 PC to edit the sounds. There is no Mac editor for the NM, and, apparently, no plans for one in the near future. People are successfully using it with PC emulator software on a Mac but the MIDI interface requirements are very specific, and costly -- it only works with the Emagic Unitor. I know I sound like a Nord salesman, but I really do not work for Clavia, so please don't ask me for technical information about the Nord Modular. You can find out more at http://www.clavia.se. You can download and try a copy of the Nord Modular editor, and you can find MP3 files that will allow you to hear how it sounds. All the best, Howard At 02:03 PM 11/19/98 -0500, you wrote: >Dan Bartell wrote: >> >> Something that I've found that is absolutely amazing for filtering is >> the Waldorf 4-pole. It's small, easy to use, and you can filter ANY >> audio signal that you patch into it via a 1/4" jack. I use it on my >> tablas before I run them through the echoplex. Check it out at: >> http://www.waldorf-gmbh.de/4pole/4pole.html > >So, you said the magic word, "tablas". You got my interest. I looked >at the website but don't have a good idea as to how the Waldorf 4-pole >makes things sound. Can you give more detail? Can you point me to some >sound files? Thanks! > >- Dennis Leas >-- >dennis@mdbs.com > > ========================================================== Howard Harawitz howard@brooknorth.com ========================================================== Brooklyn North Software Works Inc. Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada Telephone: 1-902-423-0257 ========================================================== Check the Halifax Harbor Cam: http://www.brooknorth.com/camsite/ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Nov 20 17:09:53 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id RAA31362; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 17:09:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 17:09:53 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.32.19981119231449.006afe18@net.ganymed.org> X-Sender: lorenz@net.ganymed.org X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 22:46:17 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Lorenz Haeusle Subject: Re: Re[2]: Roland Dr. Sample/Filters Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"su9_61.0.SW4.U5ULs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2856 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 11:56 19.11.98 -0800, you wrote: >Dan Bartell wrote: >>> >>> Something that I've found that is absolutely amazing for filtering is >>> the Waldorf 4-pole. It's small, easy to use, and you can filter ANY >>> audio signal that you patch into it via a 1/4" jack. I use it on my >>> tablas before I run them through the echoplex. Check it out at: >>> http://www.waldorf-gmbh.de/4pole/4pole.html > >>So, you said the magic word, "tablas". You got my interest. I looked >>at the website but don't have a good idea as to how the Waldorf 4-pole >>makes things sound. Can you give more detail? Can you point me to some >>sound files? Thanks! >- Dennis Leas > >Generally, a filter is a form of equalization. A wha-wha pedal is a simple >example of sweeping a filter. > >Resonant filters amplify the signal around the cutoff frequency, accentuating >that particular relatively narrow frequency range. > >Auto-filters or "triggered wha's" do this sort of sweeping automatically based >usually on the input envelope of the instrument. At the most full featured end >of the spectrum are midi controlled filters with ADSR control, envelope input >control, LFO control w/various waveforms etc. Lot's of options! The trend has >been towards analog filters which sound very fat. It's also useful to overdrive >the input of these filters for even more supposed "fatness". > >Some of the more full featured filters are the Sherman Filterbank, the Peavy >(something or other which is quite reasonable and rackmount), The Mutronics >Mutator, Waldorf 4-pole (tabletop) and X-pole (2sp rackmount stereo pair) and if >you're interested in a cool sound module w/resonant filters which allow audio >input as well, there's the Waldorf Pulse Plus ... Awesome analog bass sounds as >well as wild event types of sounds and fx. The there's the Waldorf Microwave XT >which is a full-on polyphonic synth with even more capable filters as well as >audio input... Whew. > >I have a Waldorf 4-pole filter and like the previous poster, I'm in love with >it. I'm barely utilizing it's full capabilities, but still far exceeding the >abilities of the very best stomp box auto-filters... (which do sound quite good >... Lovetone Meatball, EH Q-Tron, Guyatone Wah Rocker) > >Oh yeah ... at least my 4-pole and all the other Waldorf filters at higher >resonance settings will self oscillate allowing all sorts of spacey sounds. > >You CAN loop these babies, or place them after the loop for mutating that as >well as drumboxes etc. > >Ay! yi! yi! >Filter madness!!! >-miko > > i heard a lot about the 4-pole, but havn't had the chance to test it yet. i talked to some guy at a music store and he told me, that filters, including the 4-pole, arn't any good for bass-sound cause you wouldn't hear a lot of differences at low frequencies. is that right ( i kinda don't believe this guy...)? if that's true, would there be any possipility to use filters with my bass, for example split the bass signal, go through a pithch shifter into the 4-pole, then mix both signals and go into the amp... would that make any sense? i just want to have a clean signal mixed with the filtered signal cause i think that the low bass sound is an essential part for the groove of the (/my?) kind of music i make. who else uses a waldorf 4-pole besides miko and dan? could you tell us your experiences with it? lorenz From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Nov 20 17:58:14 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id RAA20971; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 17:58:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 17:58:14 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 14:37:22 -0800 Message-ID: <00156140.C21407@wj.com> From: Mike.Biffle@wj.com (Mike Biffle) Subject: Re: Filters, filters and more filters... To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, Lorenz Haeusle Cc: LiebigSA@Maritz.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Resent-Message-ID: <"u7GGI.0.nP3.-1VLs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2857 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Lorenz wrote... >i heard a lot about the 4-pole, but havn't had the chance to test it yet. i >talked to some guy at a music store and he told me, that filters, including >the 4-pole, arn't any good for bass-sound cause you wouldn't hear a lot of >differences at low frequencies. is that right ( i kinda don't believe this >guy...)? Well, don't tell Bootsy Collins, or any other funkateer bassist for that matter, that filters won't change their sound! The deal with resonant low-pass filters is that they aren't just rolling an unamplified cutoff frequency around ... the highly amplified (dialable) resonant peak will take whatever harmonic is in it's proximity and boost the hell out of it. You'll hear a difference once you've done some dialing. With bass you may want to choose to slightly distort the input signal to boost those upper harmonics. I believe there's upper harmonic structure in undistorted bass signal though which will filter just fine. >if that's true, would there be any possipility to use filters with my bass, >for example split the bass signal, go through a pithch shifter into the >4-pole, then mix both signals and go into the amp... would that make any >sense? Sure if you that's the sound you're going for ... It's probably going to be a whole lot more dramatic *and* simple if you just run the signal through the 4-pole and get a distortion (Fulltone Bass Fulldrive 2?..) in front of it. >i just want to have a clean signal mixed with the filtered signal cause i >think that the low bass sound is an essential part for the groove of the >(/my?) kind of music i make. These filters can *increase* the amount of low end in your signal as well as decrease it. Cutoff from 40-200 hz boosted to the ceiling could seriously rumble the building! If you read the reviews on Harmony Central about the Lovetone Meatball, many of them say that the unit actually increases their bottom end as well. I'm not a bassist and don't play one on TV either, so take this all with a grain of salt. Our list-mate Steuart Liebig is a Meatball owner though and might be willing to add a few bass specific comments about *that* product... -m From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Nov 20 18:58:13 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id SAA15475; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 18:58:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 18:58:13 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <2148EC143F29D1118BE000805FC13CD0771F4E@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Filters, filters and more filters... Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 17:29:20 -0600 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Resent-Message-ID: <"FHyXC.0.fv.TmVLs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2858 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > Our list-mate Steuart Liebig is a Meatball owner though and might be > willing to > add a few bass specific comments about *that* product... > >> i think that the matball is a pretty entertaining device for a bass (i play 6-string, so is has a pretty good range). it's not prgarammable tho', so if that's an issue for you, you may want to look into the waldorf. the meatball gets some pretty funky sounds and also can get some very subtle sounds depending on how you decide to set it up and your touch, etc. using it with other pedals (chorus, fuzz, etc.) can yield some pretty nice results. it has four different frequency ranges that it will boost. i use either the 2nd or 3rd most of the time. the 4th is the lowest voiced. it seems to add some serious low end, sub-sonic really. stig From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Nov 20 22:32:58 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id WAA06953; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 22:32:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 22:32:58 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 19:23:41 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel) Subject: Re: Re[2]: Roland Dr. Sample/Filters Resent-Message-ID: <"t3rUo2.0.at.r9ZLs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2859 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >At 11:56 19.11.98 -0800, you wrote: >i heard a lot about the 4-pole, but havn't had the chance to test it yet. i >talked to some guy at a music store and he told me, that filters, including >the 4-pole, arn't any good for bass-sound cause you wouldn't hear a lot of >differences at low frequencies. is that right ( i kinda don't believe this >guy...)? >if that's true, would there be any possipility to use filters with my bass, >for example split the bass signal, go through a pithch shifter into the >4-pole, then mix both signals and go into the amp... would that make any >sense? >i just want to have a clean signal mixed with the filtered signal cause i >think that the low bass sound is an essential part for the groove of the >(/my?) kind of music i make. > >who else uses a waldorf 4-pole besides miko and dan? could you tell us your >experiences with it? > I don't use a Waldorf, but I have run my bass through an electro-harmonix Q-Tron, a Peavey SPAF, and a home-made pre-amp/envelope follower driving some Doepfer and ARP filter modules, and basically, whoever told you that filters aren'y good for bass was full of shit. Envelope filters will give you some of the heaviest bass around. If you don't believe me, just check out any Bill Lasswell CD. ________________________________________________________ Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org : www.peak.org/~improv/ "...there will come a day when you won't have to use gasoline. You'd simply take a cassette and put it in your car, let it run. You'd have to have the proper type of music. Like you take two sticks, put 'em together, make fire. You take some notes and rub 'em together - dum, dum, dum, dum - fire, cosmic fire." -Sun Ra ________________________________________________________ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Nov 20 22:43:29 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id WAA11338; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 22:43:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 22:43:29 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 21:59:49 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: patrick@his.com (Patrick Smith) Subject: Re: Recent CD releases by list members Resent-Message-ID: <"cdC6f3.0.Xj1.oHZLs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2860 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Howdy, How's the elbow? How's the practicing on your CD? Do I ask too many questions. I just finished the lastest Ambinet-Digest V3 #666 and there was a couple posts about the lack of reviews of new music on there by list members. Perhpas this would be a good place to send your FNGP review. There's also 953( I think that was the number) member sof that list. I f I could sell 105 of them, we 'd be real close to the break even point. This music business stuff really is hard to break into. Sigh........still need to go do my hour or else pay out some bucks......ouch and good night. Patrick Now Available: FingerPaint Primary Colors: BLUE "can be edgy and intense as well as relaxing...." FAQT Shockwave audio featuring our newest release Primary Colors:Blue www.fingerpaint.net From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Nov 21 00:17:20 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id AAA16699; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 00:17:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1998 00:17:20 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Collins" To: Subject: off topic...television helping others Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1998 00:08:14 -0500 Message-ID: <01be150c$f1732a80$8c1bbfa8@0QHC6SIA> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"pPczk2.0.HK3.IiaLs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2861 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hello all out there in looping land, I have a question to propose. Perhaps one of you can help me with my little dilemma. You see where i live (Pataskala, Ohio) we do not get a certain channel called OVATION, well lately I've come to discover that their channel has many wonderful programs about great things. I would like to be able to see them but cannot. Is there someone who perhaps can offer up to record a very few of these programs for me so that i may find immense enjoyment in their kindness. I would deeply appreciate it, and would offer to pay for the cassette cost and shipping. Please let me know fellow loopers. Sincerely, Jeff Collins From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Nov 21 02:07:09 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id CAA27107; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 02:07:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1998 02:07:09 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19981121005540.00859100@wavefront.com> X-Sender: chuck.zwicky@wavefront.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1998 00:55:40 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Chuck Zwicky Subject: Filters and Bass In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"97MgJ1.0.Nf5.5GcLs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2862 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Bill Lasswell uses the DOD FX-25 envelope filter (the green one).... At 07:23 PM 11/20/98 -0800, you wrote: > Envelope filters will give >you some of the heaviest bass around. If you don't believe me, just check >out any Bill Lasswell CD. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Nov 21 11:34:10 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id LAA18404; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 11:34:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1998 11:34:10 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Texture444@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1998 11:22:41 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Re[2]: Roland Dr. Sample/Filters Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 161 Resent-Message-ID: <"_7HC91.0.oV3.rakLs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2863 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >who else uses a waldorf 4-pole besides miko and dan? could you tell us >your >experiences with it? me: i love that waldorf 4-pole fltr; great-sounding, w/a pretty deep featureset for the price of admission. (filter-slut that i am, i also love the z-vex seeqwah, the guyatone wr2, boss aw2, moog filters & the filters in both the tc fireworx & lexicon's mpxg2). as with any sonic device/instrument thatcha haven't yet fuddled with, i think ya might be best served by going out & *trying* this filtry stuff: see if it suits yer needs: descriptions awready offered, here, oughta be good enough as 'pointers', but can't replace experience. best, dt From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Nov 21 12:13:30 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id MAA02281; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 12:13:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1998 12:13:30 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19981121104604.007e8310@wavefront.com> X-Sender: chuck.zwicky@wavefront.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1998 10:46:04 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Chuck Zwicky Subject: Re: simple looper recommendation DFX-98 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"Qh0Jg2.0.0j6.y1lLs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2864 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com DOD makes an 8-second stomp-box delay with 18 bit converters for around $100. It is called the DFX-98 From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Nov 21 13:46:17 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id NAA07959; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 13:46:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1998 13:46:17 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: rswitzer@mailserver.cowles.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1998 13:26:18 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: "Robert Switzer" Subject: Re: Recent CD releases by list members In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-ID: <19981121182816.AAA2040@rswitzer> Resent-Message-ID: <"MGncm1.0._Y.2TmLs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2865 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 09:59 PM 11/20/98 +0200, you wrote: >Howdy, > >How's the elbow? How's the practicing on your CD? Do I ask too many questions. > The elbow is still less than 100% -- I'm trying to limit use of it as much as possible, without immobilizing it -- I was on crutches with a knee a couple of years ago, and it sucked, so I'm being very gentle :-). The work on the CD has been going real well -- the time *flies by*, which, I think, should tell me something. I'm being seduced by these digital tools -- rendering music rather than performing/recording it~ maybe this is the future for me :-). >This music >business stuff really is hard to break into. > Yes, definitely -- especially if you're looking for a financial break-even on a project-by-project basis. Let's chill a bit on reviews/mutual promotion -- ambient and looper's overlap quite a bit, and, though I think we were within the bounds of propriety last time, I don't want to press our luck -- the last thing either of us needs is a backlash. Persistence is powerful; combined with flexibility/subtlety, doubly so :-). yours, Rob From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Nov 21 13:54:17 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id NAA11477; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 13:54:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1998 13:54:17 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199811211834.NAA03458@shell.monmouth.com> Reply-To: From: "andre" To: Subject: Re: simple looper recommendation DFX-98 Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 13:35:00 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"WbDkA1.0.Cx.TWmLs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2866 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From: Chuck Zwicky > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Subject: Re: simple looper recommendation DFX-98 > Date: Saturday, November 21, 1998 11:46 AM > > DOD makes an 8-second stomp-box delay with 18 bit converters for around $100. > It is called the DFX-98 yeah!! saw that in the new thoroughbred mail order cat., and i notice it is officially a looper!!! looks like it has a jack for a simple latch switch for the loop.... andre east > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Nov 21 15:06:41 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id PAA08048; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 15:06:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1998 15:06:41 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1998 14:54:54 -0500 (EST) From: Nick Ring X-Sender: nick@plato To: andre cc: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: simple looper recommendation DFX-98 In-Reply-To: <199811211834.NAA03458@shell.monmouth.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"zaVEy.0.Y01.2inLs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2867 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Andre wrote about the DOD DFX98: > yeah!! saw that in the new thoroughbred mail order cat., and i notice it is > officially a looper!!! looks like it has a jack for a simple latch switch > for the loop.... So this thing is finally coming out, eh? I had pretty much given up on it. Good to see. Does anyone know if it _really_ is out? -nick From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Nov 21 16:05:12 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id QAA31749; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 16:05:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1998 16:05:12 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199811212055.NAA13313@hades.ecentral.com> Subject: Re: simple looper recommendation DFX-98 Date: Sat, 21 Nov 98 13:55:21 -0600 x-sender: smonroe@pop.ecentral.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: Steve Monroe To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <"4rkd72.0.Ds6.hZoLs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2868 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I called Thoroughbred music about the "Echomatic Digital Delay" DFX98. (cat# 700232) Apparently, they no longer stock this item. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Nov 21 16:35:53 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id QAA11552; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 16:35:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1998 16:35:53 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19981121152227.0084fd70@wavefront.com> X-Sender: chuck.zwicky@wavefront.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1998 15:22:27 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Chuck Zwicky Subject: Re: simple looper recommendation DFX-98 In-Reply-To: References: <199811211834.NAA03458@shell.monmouth.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"gS61e3.0.qq1.C_oLs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2870 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com It is still vapor, as far as I know..... I hope I am wrong about this. At 02:54 PM 11/21/98 -0500, you wrote: > >Andre wrote about the DOD DFX98: >> yeah!! saw that in the new thoroughbred mail order cat., and i notice it is >> officially a looper!!! looks like it has a jack for a simple latch switch >> for the loop.... > > > So this thing is finally coming out, eh? I > had pretty much given up on it. > > Good to see. Does anyone know if it _really_ > is out? > > -nick > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Nov 21 16:36:02 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id QAA11622; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 16:36:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1998 16:36:02 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: PJBMHB@aol.com Message-ID: <2c661073.36572f2a@aol.com> Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1998 16:22:50 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: simple looper recommendation DFX-98 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 41 Resent-Message-ID: <"J5dKe.0.Pi1.zzoLs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2869 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com i was under the impression that DOD stopped making this puppies a while ago. am i mistaken? =-) PJ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Nov 21 16:50:33 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id QAA17526; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 16:50:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1998 16:50:33 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: PJBMHB@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1998 16:40:07 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: simple looper recommendation DFX-98 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 41 Resent-Message-ID: <"K122P.0.aQ3.IEpLs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2871 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com er...these puppies or this puppy. my bad. =-l PJ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Nov 22 04:11:42 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id EAA07386; Sun, 22 Nov 1998 04:11:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 04:11:42 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199811220843.AAA09213@raven.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Subject: DFX-98=Vaporware Date: Sun, 22 Nov 98 02:45:24 +0100 x-sender: tiktok@pop.a001.sprintmail.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0, March 15, 1997 From: Tiktok Mobile HQ To: "Looper's Delight" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <"EfG4-2.0.wV7.-xyLs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2872 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1998 16:22:50 EST >From: PJBMHB@aol.com >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Subject: Re: simple looper recommendation DFX-98 >Message-ID: <2c661073.36572f2a@aol.com> >Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII >Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit > >i was under the impression that DOD stopped making this puppies a while ago. >am i mistaken? =-) PJ No-one's ever held a working unit in their hand. I wish DOD would release it, but so it goes. Travis Hartnett From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Nov 22 08:21:07 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id IAA28984; Sun, 22 Nov 1998 08:21:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 08:21:07 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: PJBMHB@aol.com Message-ID: <6f95462a.3658073d@aol.com> Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 07:44:45 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Leni Stern in Hartford, CT last night Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 41 Resent-Message-ID: <"gCyqQ.0.ho3.8U0Ms"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2873 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com i had the good fortune to see leni stern in concert last night and she did a really good job. she had a few songs where she made loops on her jamman and it was very cool how she integrated that into her overall trio sound. if you get a chance to check her out you really should. she also had great things to say about mr. torn. =-) PJ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Nov 22 14:55:18 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id OAA24172; Sun, 22 Nov 1998 14:55:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 14:55:18 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: mchriste@panther.middlebury.edu Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <910DB0F2FCC3D111B22C00805F654C950856D1@EXCHANGENY> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 14:27:40 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: murkie Subject: RE: Roland Dr. Sample (midi help?!) Resent-Message-ID: <"MaBuQ1.0.Nf3.zQ6Ms"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2874 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com my mother-in-law gave me a Dr. Sample for my birthday this year. yes, you read that correctly. anyhoo, i'd love to sync it up with my jamman and have the lenth of my samples (mostly drum stuff) dictate the lenth of my loops. i'm assuming that i'll need another piece of hardware to do this, as the Dr. Sample doesn't use midi timecode like the the jamdude. unfortuntely i am a complete midiot. anybody got any insight or advice? are there enough looper's-d kids heading to the boston Bruf/Lev/Bot/Torn gig to dictate a pre-gig meet? later, m M a r k C h r i s t e n s e n Cramped Quarters Studio / Jasperpottamus Music i n t e r n e t : murkie@middlebury.edu http://www.middlebury.edu/~mchriste/murkie.html From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Nov 22 23:31:46 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id XAA23968; Sun, 22 Nov 1998 23:31:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 23:31:46 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: DainL@AustinTX.net (Dain R. Luscombe) To: Subject: Re: simple looper recommendation DFX-98 Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 22:22:36 -0600 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <19981123041507592.AAA212@sex.austintx.net> Resent-Message-ID: <"RixEu3.0.HK4.u5EMs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2875 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com hey guys this won't be of much help now, but I recently got a "real" job at MARS music (don't ask me why I capitalized that probably due to corporate brainwashing) and I was digging through our backstock trying to find the Fizmos (ensonic) and I came across a DOD delay with 24 seconds delay time. it looks really cool but since it's not on any planograms I can't drag it out to the floor, I don't know if this is what you guys are talking about because I didn't read the model name but this thing is definitly a looper and also has what appears to be a built it gate which I can't wait to mess with. I'll find out more info later I'm still trying to get that store together we (we had our grand openning on saturday. seeya Dain PS we do stock the EDP!! did you know the store cost for the footpedal is like 50 bucks! ---------- > From: Nick Ring > To: andre > Cc: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Subject: Re: simple looper recommendation DFX-98 > Date: Saturday, November 21, 1998 1:54 PM > > > Andre wrote about the DOD DFX98: > > yeah!! saw that in the new thoroughbred mail order cat., and i notice it is > > officially a looper!!! looks like it has a jack for a simple latch switch > > for the loop.... > > > So this thing is finally coming out, eh? I > had pretty much given up on it. > > Good to see. Does anyone know if it _really_ > is out? > > -nick From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Nov 23 02:08:12 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id CAA19679; Mon, 23 Nov 1998 02:08:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 02:08:12 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: ENAT21213@aol.com Message-ID: <3fd8c17b.36590530@aol.com> Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 01:48:16 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: electric bird noise live Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Resent-Message-ID: <"8LWZO2.0.wA3.3MGMs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2876 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com electric bird noise / unleashing the inner robot cd release party in myrtle beach s.c. at bodo's this friday nov. 27th sound samples at: http://members.xoom.com/birdnoise/ebn.html your thoughts? brian electric bird noise (cinematic loop and layered instrumental guitar music) From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Nov 23 02:14:25 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id CAA22265; Mon, 23 Nov 1998 02:14:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 02:14:25 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: klaw@iglou.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 10:41:58 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Keenan Lawler Subject: Kaffe Matthews In-Reply-To: <19981123041507592.AAA212@sex.austintx.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: Resent-Message-ID: <"Lhbhx.0.4U4._ZGMs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2877 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Anybody out there see UK improvising violinist Kaffe matthews on her current US tour? Driving to Chicago Tuesday to catch her.Attention: go to see her . She uses Lisa sampling with a Pwrbk along with her visceral playing to create massive samplescapes in real time via midi. Dont miss this one ! Chek this URL: http://www.annetteworks.demon.co.uk/ cheers K LAW ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Elizabeth Lawler ~ Lawler Creative Media ~ http://www.lawler.com ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Nov 23 08:48:44 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id IAA07435; Mon, 23 Nov 1998 08:48:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 08:48:44 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199811231335.IAA28441@ulster.net> Subject: New OS for EDP? Date: Mon, 23 Nov 98 08:29:38 -0500 x-sender: evening@pop.ulster.net x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: evening To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <"iXZU92.0.i2.rEMMs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2878 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I noticed that Kim has dropped a couple of hints that there may be a new OS for the EDP on the horizon - I believe it had something to do with presets. Maybe we can hear more about this - any informers out there? I was wondering if there was any possibility of introducing a "half-speed" playback option or some other modulation source into the existing EDP. I'm not a technical/engineering type so I really don't have a clue of what the reality of this could be but I figured that I'd ask... john From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Nov 23 10:34:29 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id KAA18354; Mon, 23 Nov 1998 10:34:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 10:34:29 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <68ea4973.36597c65@aol.com> Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 10:16:53 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re2: Sound Cards - an Inquiry [off topic] Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 171 Resent-Message-ID: <"meg221.0.9r2.poNMs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2879 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 15/11/98 02:01:28 GMT, you write: << =09Another thing to beware of is that if you are trying to press your own disks, a WORM drive or even a rewritable is not the best way to go, as the sound quality is definitely not there; output it an ADAT and then take it to a press house... It's worth the extra money to have it done correctly. >> WORM works fine for me, quality as good as any other CD. I use a writer that is specific to WORM, as apparently decks that support rewriting are not reliable for audio disks to use on consumer CDplayers. As I understand it the quality problem happens with drives that can't read audio digitally (which is most of them). Commonly you can record an audioCD onto hard disk, but the sound is first D/Aed by the CDdrive and sent to the sound card for A/D. With SCSI CD drives you don't have this problem though. Off topic? yes but hopefully useful to creative-musos-with-computer-access= . Soundcard, I use an Event Gina (=A3460) 2 in 8 out (+SPDif I/O),20 bit , 48kHz(or 44.1). SPDif I/O recommended. Andy Butler From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Nov 23 14:23:24 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id OAA12214; Mon, 23 Nov 1998 14:23:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 14:23:24 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <19981123041507592.AAA212@sex.austintx.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 11:01:15 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: simple looper recommendation DFX-98 Resent-Message-ID: <"A6YFT3.0.lP2.67RMs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2880 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 8:22 PM -0800 11/19/98, Dain R. Luscombe wrote: >hey guys this won't be of much help now, but I recently got a "real" job at >MARS music (don't ask me why I capitalized that probably due to corporate >brainwashing) and I was digging through our backstock trying to find the >Fizmos (ensonic) and I came across a DOD delay with 24 seconds delay time. >it looks really cool but since it's not on any planograms I can't drag it >out to the floor, I don't know if this is what you guys are talking about >because I didn't read the model name but this thing is definitly a looper >and also has what appears to be a built it gate which I can't wait to mess >with. I'll find out more info later I'm still trying to get that store >together we (we had our grand openning on saturday. that's the dod dimension 12. A page with info and a review of it is on the Looper's Delight site: http://www.annihilist.com/loop/tools/dimension12/D12.html kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Nov 23 19:11:09 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id TAA22827; Mon, 23 Nov 1998 19:11:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 19:11:09 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 00:58:47 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <199811232358.AAA07153@mail.euroweb.hu> X-Sender: absolute@mail.datanet.hu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: mailto: From: adam davidovics Subject: EDP PURCHASE Resent-Message-ID: <"Im6xo3.0.W55.oRVMs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2881 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com hi! im still hunting for an EDP with a pedal. anyone could help me please? im so far away from the 'source'... a/d From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Nov 23 20:00:23 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id UAA30490; Mon, 23 Nov 1998 20:00:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 20:00:23 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <000701be1743$b2363fe0$3a8cb0d1@oemcomputer> From: "Eric Williamson" To: Subject: Looping Rig For Sale Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 18:45:08 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0004_01BE1711.64CB98E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"I5UWA3.0.5_6.49WMs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2882 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BE1711.64CB98E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Moving to Kyma, so... 2 Echoplexen, maxed out - one manual 1 Plex Footpedal 1 Lexicon Vortex - w/manual 1 Digtech TSR-24 - w/manual 1 5-space Bag End Rack $1600 firm, Buyer pays shipping E-mail me at erwill@flink.com, or erwill@hotmail.com=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BE1711.64CB98E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Moving to Kyma, so...
 
2 Echoplexen, maxed out - one manual
1 Plex Footpedal
1 Lexicon Vortex - w/manual
1 Digtech TSR-24 - w/manual
1 5-space Bag End Rack
 
$1600 firm, Buyer pays shipping
 
E-mail me at erwill@flink.com, or erwill@hotmail.com=20
------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BE1711.64CB98E0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Nov 23 20:35:13 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id UAA04609; Mon, 23 Nov 1998 20:35:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 20:35:13 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Marzzz@aol.com Message-ID: <657df30b.365a0836@aol.com> Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 20:13:26 EST To: erwill@flink.com, Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Looping Rig For Sale Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 189 Resent-Message-ID: <"D_IRc3.0.3I.zZWMs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2883 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 11/23/98 6:59:42 PM, erwill@flink.com writes: >Moving to Kyma, so... Congratulations! Please let us know about your experiences with KYMA and looping once you are up and running..... Marshall From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Nov 23 21:08:30 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id VAA10187; Mon, 23 Nov 1998 21:08:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 21:08:30 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199811240149.RAA16471@magpie.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Subject: Echoplex group buy Date: Mon, 23 Nov 98 19:51:11 +0100 x-sender: tiktok@pop.a001.sprintmail.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0, March 15, 1997 From: Tiktok Mobile HQ To: "Looper's Delight" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <"mlOql1.0.jj1.m3XMs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2884 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I tried searching the LD archives with the search engine, but was unable to find the contact info and price on the recent Echoplex group buy. Could someone forward the information to me? Thanks, Travis Hartnett From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Nov 23 23:21:12 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id XAA22819; Mon, 23 Nov 1998 23:21:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 23:21:12 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: patrick@his.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 22:08:35 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: evening (by way of patrick@his.com (Patrick Smith)) Subject: EDP Group Purchase: Contact info for Alto Music Resent-Message-ID: <"Xqd_H2.0.725.0iYMs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2885 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Here you go Travis. This was also sent to the list - but a few have mentioned that they would prefer to be emailed directly. advance apologies for duplication. ----- Ok - I spoke with John at Alto Music here's the deal. So far it looks like there will be about 12 units ordered, maybe more... If you want to get one or more EDP's with or without a pedal do the following: 1. Call Alto Music @ (914) 692-6922 10-6pm Monday through Saturday and ask for John. Tell him you're calling about ordering an Echoplex as part of the Loopers Delight Internet mailing list - he's not hip to the listserv thing so be sure to mention Echoplex & internet in the same sentence and he'll know what your calling about. 2 Give him your order info - i.e. How many you want, pedal or not, address CC#, shipping preference etc. NOTE: while they do some mail order they are not setup like Musicians Friend etc, in that they can say immediately what your freight will be. You can request that they call you with the exact amount of shipping once they have determined it. Rest assured that he's a straight up guy & there won't be any gouging on shipping fees. 3. Be patient, think Buddha like thoughts, or if you're really advanced, no thoughts at all. The units are not in stock. Once he gets a bunch of orders, he'll place an order with Gibson. When he receives the units they will be sent to you according to your instructions. The time between when he places the order & when they arrive is dependent on Gibson, UPS, acts of God, etc. If Gibson is to be believed regarding stock & turnaround time, I'd guess that everyone will have their units in 2-3 weeks. The prices are: $560 for EDP w/ 4Mb RAM $660 for EDP w/ 4Mb & pedal + shipping ( & tax if you are in NY state) no tax for out of state sales... We didn't discuss a time limit on this offer but I'm sure as long as people are ordering a moderate amount the price will be good for a couple of weeks - barring any price changes from Gibson/Oberheim of course. Alright, Let the feeding frenzy begin! peace, JMW From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Nov 23 23:31:55 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id XAA24119; Mon, 23 Nov 1998 23:31:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 23:31:55 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 22:21:30 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: patrick@his.com (Patrick Smith) Subject: Overpriced Time Machine Resent-Message-ID: <"XHgtd2.0.kW5.AFZMs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2886 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Paul, FYI, I hope all is well. I've been spending a lot of time recording. Saw this on Harmony Central. Patrick efffects.. Asking Price: US$N/A Condition: Mint Age: N/A Description: Lexicon Vortex dual echo & bizarre effects, $195; Digitech TSR24S multi-fx, total user control of effect algorithms, unlimited redundent effects (for example:twelve delays, six reverbs, eighteen flangers), $620; Digitech Time Machine, 8second rack delay, $220; Digitech 1 second digital delay/distortion box, $45. phone:703-734-0110 email:FaybE@aol.com Seller: charles danbury, 703-734-0110 E-mail: faybe@aol.com Location: MC LEAN, VA Post Date: 11/22/98 Now Available: FingerPaint Primary Colors: BLUE "can be edgy and intense as well as relaxing...." FAQT Shockwave audio featuring our newest release Primary Colors:Blue www.fingerpaint.net From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 24 05:17:08 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id FAA21030; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 05:17:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 05:17:08 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <3011fdbd.365a834b@aol.com> Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 04:58:35 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: filters on the cheap Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 171 Resent-Message-ID: <"GFoec3.0.Qq4.PEeMs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2887 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com The Zoom 1201 has a bank of 11 different filter effects: some envelope following ; some triggered sweeps. Not tweakable (only sensitivity is variable) and not the same quality (fatness?) as thhe other gear discussed, but a good selection of options, ( dark bubbly, sub bass, bright resonant etc) Over here it costs =A399 (stirling), RRP. It can also give a 3sec loop(good quality) , ring mod(nasty), vocoder & loads of tacky digi-reverbs. Andy Butler From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 24 06:05:51 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id GAA27513; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 06:05:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 06:05:51 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <19981118095306.5327.rocketmail@send102.yahoomail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 02:48:25 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: newbie with a plex ? Resent-Message-ID: <"62MJD2.0.QS6.1_eMs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2888 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com hi, I guess this is a little old, but I've been a bit out of touch lately..... At 1:53 AM -0800 11/18/98, John Tidwell wrote: >Although I've had my Echoplex for almost a year, I've >yet to buy a foot controller. I've been getting by with >a couple of sustain pedals. I have an X-15 controller, >but only one of its switches can be programmed to act >as a momentary switch. I don't like the feel of the >switches for looping purposes anyway. I'm hesitant to >buy the Oberheim controller since it is single purpose >and I would like more bang for my buck. So here's my >question: Has anyone tried the Roland PK-5 pedalboard >with the Echoplex? Based on what little I've read, it >seems ideal. Thirteen momentary switches sending midi >note on & off messages, and since it's midi, I could >use it with my GR-1 or Yamaha keyboard. I could not >find anything on this in the archives & I'm a new >subscriber, so I hope this is something that hasn't >been covered ad nauseum. I've never actually seen one of these pedals, but from the specs it sounds like it would work. There is a review on harmony-central you might want to check out: http://www.harmony-central.com/Synth/Data/Roland/PK-5-01.html the reviewer complains about it being hard to figure out and program, but he generally likes using it. My guess is that the pedals would have a pretty good feel to them, since it's more of a bass pedal aimed at organ players (at least that's what I gathered...). some other pedals to look at are the digitech PMC-10, Rocktron AllAccess, and Roland FC-200. Personally, I like the PMC-10, since it is very versatile and you can generally find them used pretty cheap. These are mentioned in the echoplex faq on the website, as are the details of what features a midi pedal needs to control the echoplex well. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 24 15:19:13 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id PAA25318; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 15:19:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 15:19:13 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <365B11C0.13C71FC9@vtx.ch> Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 21:06:24 +0100 From: Claude Voit Reply-To: c.voit@vtx.ch X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [fr] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight Subject: Who are you ? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"02Qc31.0.ei5.v6nMs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2889 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com What am I doing writing I forgot to eat The cat is going on my nerves I smell bad the ashtray is on the ground forgot to put the light on I have problems to stay up help me I just got a vortex Claude What was the question ? From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 24 16:06:36 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id QAA31648; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 16:06:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 16:06:36 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <365B1D8F.1692@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 12:56:49 -0800 From: scott kungha drengsen X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-MACOS8 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: upcoming show at Golden Flower Meditation Hall References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"k9gU8.0.P77.ehnMs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2890 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hello fellow Loopist's On Dec. 4 I will be performing at the Golden Flower Meditation Hall at 38 Miller Ave. in downtown Mill Valley,Ca 415-789-7726 or e-mail me. I'll be playing 6-string fretless,6-string elect.upright bass,effects and loops.Hopefully some deep states of consciousness will arise.I'd love to meet anybody on the list there! Thanks for your time and attention. http://www.basscapes.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 24 19:00:38 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id TAA26096; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 19:00:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 19:00:38 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199811242343.SAA08696@ulster.net> Subject: Q: EDP & CV pedal for feedback control Date: Tue, 24 Nov 98 18:38:07 -0500 x-sender: evening@pop.ulster.net x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: evening To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <"5VLdK2.0.sk5.MFqMs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2891 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I'd tried to modify a standard passive volume pedal to function as a CV pedal for my echoplex but ran into a strange problem. When set to zero feedback (one repetition) the loop ends with a "pop" - this doesn't happen if I start with a higher feedback level & then move the pedal to zero - only when the pedal is at zero when the loop is created. The pot is 100K - i'm not sure about the taper, but judging from how it behaves with the echoplex it may be logarhythmic. Should I be using a linear pot instead? Thanks, John From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 24 19:53:31 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id TAA32563; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 19:53:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 19:53:31 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "future perfect" To: Subject: Feedback problem with EDP Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 19:36:49 -0500 Message-ID: <000201be180b$b09ae280$37f0ffd0@artmusic> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <199811242343.SAA08696@ulster.net> Resent-Message-ID: <"QFX0B1.0.lU7.F6rMs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2892 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Once in a while, when I reduce the feedback level via midi CC pedal (into my Ground Control), on the successive repeats, the sound 'cuts out', sounds just like a cord that has a short in it when you move it. Now I know it isn't a cord, since I tested it with several. I have the original SIMMS installed. Anyone else have this problem? Dave Eichenberger ********************************************************************* 'Future Perfect' - art music guitars-loops-flutes-devices-voices the NEW IMPROVED site: http://home1.gte.net/artmusic/ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 24 20:26:46 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id UAA04854; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 20:26:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 20:26:46 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: PMimlitsch@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 20:04:34 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Overpriced Time Machine Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 84 Resent-Message-ID: <"A8nzh3.0.yP.lVrMs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2894 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 11/24/98 4:31:13 AM, you wrote: <> Patrick; Thanks for the info. Another CD in the works? Take care and have a happy holiday. - Paul From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 24 20:27:19 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id UAA04927; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 20:27:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 20:27:19 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <2.2.32.19981125010407.00b6ae64@pop.chromatic.com> X-Sender: kflint@pop.chromatic.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 17:04:07 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Feedback problem with EDP Resent-Message-ID: <"D1IaP2.0.MK.oTrMs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2893 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com sounds to me like the midi data being sent to your echoplex has errors in it, or it is sometimes randomly sending CC values of zero. So you get feedback settings jumping around and the loop audio cutting out. Could be a poor connection between the expression pedal and the ground control (that cable is shorting), or the pedal/pot is flaky, or the connector in the ground control is flaky. You might want to get some electronics cleaning solution and squirt it in the jacks and expression pedal potentiometer. kim At 07:36 PM 11/24/98 -0500, you wrote: > > Once in a while, when I reduce the feedback level via midi CC pedal (into >my Ground Control), on the successive repeats, the sound 'cuts out', sounds >just like a cord that has a short in it when you move it. Now I know it >isn't a cord, since I tested it with several. I have the original SIMMS >installed. Anyone else have this problem? > >Dave Eichenberger >********************************************************************* >'Future Perfect' - art music >guitars-loops-flutes-devices-voices >the NEW IMPROVED site: >http://home1.gte.net/artmusic/ > > > > > ________________________________________________________ Kim Flint, MTS 408-752-9284 Chromatic Research kflint@chromatic.com http://www.chromatic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 24 21:42:52 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id VAA15944; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 21:42:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 21:42:52 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199811250229.VAA28595@ulster.net> Subject: Duh... Q: EDP & CV pedal for feedback control Date: Tue, 24 Nov 98 21:23:42 -0500 x-sender: evening@pop.ulster.net x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: evening To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <"aRtAK.0.HJ3.YgsMs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2895 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com sigh....after fooling around with a soldering iron & my volume pedal I decided to ACTUALLY READ THE MANUAL! Imagine my chagrin when I discovered that the EDP feedback input jack is designed to work with a standard volume pedal (no rewiring required) - I was under the mistaken impression that I needed to rewire the pot with a TRS cable as the other CV pedals that I have are wired this way. I feel dumb....& my mantra for the day is - RTFM, RTFM, RTFM.... However - I'm still getting the wierd POP when the pedal is in it's full off position jmw From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 24 22:36:25 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id WAA24662; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 22:36:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 22:36:25 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <2.2.32.19981125032028.00a178b4@pop.chromatic.com> X-Sender: kflint@pop.chromatic.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 19:20:28 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Duh... Q: EDP & CV pedal for feedback control Resent-Message-ID: <"GUOeZ3.0.WA5.bTtMs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2896 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 09:23 PM 11/24/98 -0500, evening wrote: >sigh....after fooling around with a soldering iron & my volume pedal I >decided to ACTUALLY READ THE MANUAL! > >Imagine my chagrin when I discovered that the EDP feedback input jack is >designed to work with a standard volume pedal (no rewiring required) - I >was under the mistaken impression that I needed to rewire the pot with a >TRS cable as the other CV pedals that I have are wired this way. > >I feel dumb....& my mantra for the day is - RTFM, RTFM, RTFM.... it's also in the FAQ on the website: http://www.annihilist.com/loop/tools/echoplex/FAQ1.html#FBpedal RTFFAQ? we made it work with a volume pedal because most people already have them, for one, but also because it seems like a more rugged solution. Expression pedals usually have flimsy little cables built into them, which break easily and then require soldering to replace. The pedals are often pretty wimpy too. Volume pedals, on the other hand, just have a jack, so you can use a good cable and replace easily if necessary. Only down side is the log taper on volume pedals...linear seems a bit easier to use for feedback control. >However - I'm still getting the wierd POP when the pedal is in it's full >off position > there's a small trimpot inside the echoplex which is supposed to be set to null out an offset voltage, eliminating such pops. My guess is the trimpot in yours got knocked out of position or wasn't set right in the first place. It's possible to set that yourself, and is pretty easy really. I'll send directions later when I'm home and I've got more time.... kim ________________________________________________________ Kim Flint, MTS 408-752-9284 ATI Research kflint@chromatic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 24 23:20:41 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id XAA29928; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 23:20:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 23:20:41 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 23:04:11 -0500 From: buzzard@world.std.com (Sean T Barrett) Message-Id: <199811250404.AA29229@world.std.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Duh... Q: EDP & CV pedal for feedback control Resent-Message-ID: <"OdQ9F1.0.by6.l7uMs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2897 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com kim: >Only down side is the log taper on volume pedals... >linear seems a bit easier to use for feedback control. Couldn't the software reinterpret this--apply a curve to the input numbers to (approximately) linearize it? Sean From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 25 03:31:19 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id DAA18864; Wed, 25 Nov 1998 03:31:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 03:31:19 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199811250404.AA29229@world.std.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 00:04:54 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Duh... Q: EDP & CV pedal for feedback control Resent-Message-ID: <"xdz2W3.0.1Q4.LrxMs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2898 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 8:04 PM -0800 11/24/98, Sean T Barrett wrote: >kim: >>Only down side is the log taper on volume pedals... >>linear seems a bit easier to use for feedback control. > >Couldn't the software reinterpret this--apply a curve >to the input numbers to (approximately) linearize it? yeah, that would be easy enough. Of course, then you have the opposite problem with anyone using linear taper pots. So then you end up adding yet another parameter to allow a choice, and then a lot of time explaining what this obscure log/linear parameter does....:-) well, there would be one problem with this, in that the analog level runs through an a/d convertor with a fairly limited range. you'd probably end up with some weird resolution problems in some parts of the pedal range. anyway, for John, here's how to set the trimpot: ********************************************* This requires that you actually open up the unit, and have it opened with the power on. *Please follow appropriate electrical safety rules!!* If you are not careful and you fry yourself, please don't blame me! There's a trimpot on the PCB, near the left side, by the volume knobs. It's job is to trim a dc offset from a VCA. Sounds like your's is not set right for some reason, which would cause the thump you hear. To set it you need to run one of the built in diagnostic tests. The test basically turns the VCA on and off at about 60Hz, so if there is an offset you can hear the resulting tone in an amplifier. (or see it on a scope, whichever way you like.) While that's going, you adjust the trimmer until the tone/waveform reaches it's mimimum. To get into the trimmer test, Start the unit while holding the Parameter and Record buttons down. Keep them held while the startup screen goes by, until the display shows all t's. Then let go. Should say 7F. Press parameter so the "Keys" LED is lit, then press Insert to start the trimmer test. You should hear a ~60Hz tone in an amp. (turning input volume off, mix to "loop", and the output volume up helps.) The tone will change in level as you adjust the trimpot. Adjust to where the tone is at it's lowest level. (you'll still hear hashy noise sounds, but the 60Hz should become nearly inaudible.) After you set the trimmer, pressing parameter again will stop the test. Then you can turn the echoplex off and power back up normally. ********************************************** kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 25 08:50:19 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id IAA12223; Wed, 25 Nov 1998 08:50:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 08:50:19 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199811251329.IAA00909@shell.monmouth.com> Reply-To: From: "andre" To: Subject: Re: Duh... Q: EDP & CV pedal for feedback control Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 08:28:56 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"6ZxON3.0.OT2.hP0Ns"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2899 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > >designed to work with a standard volume pedal (no rewiring required) - I > >was under the mistaken impression that I needed to rewire the pot with a > >TRS cable as the other CV pedals that I have are wired this way. > > > >I feel dumb....& my mantra for the day is - RTFM, RTFM, RTFM.... does that mean: "Return To Forever, Man !" ???? wondering, andre' From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 25 11:57:21 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id LAA06113; Wed, 25 Nov 1998 11:57:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 11:57:21 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19981125122226.007f8b10@brooknorth.com> X-Sender: howard@brooknorth.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 12:22:26 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Howard Harawitz Subject: Re: Duh... Q: EDP & CV pedal for feedback control In-Reply-To: References: <199811250404.AA29229@world.std.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"rn_2G2.0.LA._x2Ns"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2900 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Duh...What's the difference between "Volume" and "Expression" pedals? I always thought that they were the same. How can I tell which one I have? At 12:04 AM 11/25/98 -0800, you wrote: >At 8:04 PM -0800 11/24/98, Sean T Barrett wrote: >>kim: >>>Only down side is the log taper on volume pedals... >>>linear seems a bit easier to use for feedback control. >> >>Couldn't the software reinterpret this--apply a curve >>to the input numbers to (approximately) linearize it? > >yeah, that would be easy enough. Of course, then you have the opposite >problem with anyone using linear taper pots. So then you end up adding yet >another parameter to allow a choice, and then a lot of time explaining what >this obscure log/linear parameter does....:-) well, there would be one >problem with this, in that the analog level runs through an a/d convertor >with a fairly limited range. you'd probably end up with some weird >resolution problems in some parts of the pedal range. > >anyway, for John, here's how to set the trimpot: > >********************************************* > >This requires that you actually open up the unit, and have it opened with >the power on. *Please follow appropriate electrical safety rules!!* If you >are not careful and you fry yourself, please don't blame me! > >There's a trimpot on the PCB, near the left side, by the volume knobs. It's >job is to trim a dc offset from a VCA. Sounds like your's is not set right >for some reason, which would cause the thump you hear. > >To set it you need to run one of the built in diagnostic tests. The test >basically turns the VCA on and off at about 60Hz, so if there is an offset >you can hear the resulting tone in an amplifier. (or see it on a scope, >whichever way you like.) While that's going, you adjust the trimmer until >the tone/waveform reaches it's mimimum. > >To get into the trimmer test, Start the unit while holding the Parameter >and Record buttons down. Keep them held while the startup screen goes by, >until the display shows all t's. Then let go. Should say 7F. Press >parameter so the "Keys" LED is lit, then press Insert to start the trimmer >test. > >You should hear a ~60Hz tone in an amp. (turning input volume off, mix to >"loop", and the output volume up helps.) The tone will change in level as >you adjust the trimpot. Adjust to where the tone is at it's lowest level. >(you'll still hear hashy noise sounds, but the 60Hz should become nearly >inaudible.) After you set the trimmer, pressing parameter again will stop >the test. Then you can turn the echoplex off and power back up normally. > >********************************************** >kim > > >______________________________________________________________________ >Kim Flint | Looper's Delight >kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html >http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > > > ========================================================== Howard Harawitz howard@brooknorth.com ========================================================== Brooklyn North Software Works Inc. Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada Telephone: 1-902-423-0257 ========================================================== Check the Halifax Harbor Cam: http://www.brooknorth.com/camsite/ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 25 14:53:15 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id OAA30438; Wed, 25 Nov 1998 14:53:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 14:53:15 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: From: Steven Barnes To: Loopers Delight Subject: EDP reverse looping Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 11:31:26 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <"wA5Zp2.0.k-6.to5Ns"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2901 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com OK, got my Echoplex, thanks to the group buy... After hearing a cool drone project, I wanted to try a reverse delay. There doesn't seem to be a way to do this on the Echoplex. I can reverse the loop, but then my overdubs are not reversed. It also seems as if once I reverse the loop, I cannot undo any overdubs that happened before the reversal. BTW, I'm having problems in general with getting my overdubs and undos to be timed to the cycle correctly. I usually get a little snippet of the overdub still in the loop after an undo. Any tips would be appreciated. (Having the EDP count down the remaining time the loop would be extremely useful in this regard) -steve From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 25 17:47:12 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id RAA18610; Wed, 25 Nov 1998 17:47:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 17:47:12 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <910DB0F2FCC3D111B22C00805F654C950858BA@EXCHANGENY> From: Thomas Rupolo To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: The Undo question Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 17:27:51 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"QonA1.0._r3.XL8Ns"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2902 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com My question concrens what might appear to be the limited functionality of the Undo function. My Echoplex is currently maxed out at 198 sec. Many times I've overdubbed something onto loop 1, and then listened to it once and instantly realized I made a horrible mistake. When I press Undo it does not erase the last overdubbeed layer. The manual refers to the fact that memory may not be available. Does that refer to the total length of the memory available or just the time remaining in the individual loop? Do I need to press Undo instantly? Do I need to change any settings? Or is this just a "known problem." Whenever possible, I of course copy to the next loop before overdubbing to prevent mangling my loops, but if I could just undo it would save me a few steps to be sure. Also when I have 9 loops filled That option is not available. Anyone else experiencing this? > -----Original Message----- > From: Steven Barnes [SMTP:SBarnes@brio.com] > Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 1998 2:31 PM > To: TRUPOLO@rizzoliusa.com > Subject: EDP reverse looping > > > OK, got my Echoplex, thanks to the group buy... > > After hearing a cool drone project, I wanted to try a reverse delay. > There > doesn't > seem to be a way to do this on the Echoplex. I can reverse the loop, > but > then my > overdubs are not reversed. > > It also seems as if once I reverse the loop, I cannot undo any > overdubs that > happened > before the reversal. > > BTW, I'm having problems in general with getting my overdubs and undos > to be > timed > to the cycle correctly. I usually get a little snippet of the overdub > still > in the loop after > an undo. Any tips would be appreciated. (Having the EDP count down > the > remaining > time the loop would be extremely useful in this regard) > > -steve From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 25 19:00:26 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id TAA31138; Wed, 25 Nov 1998 19:00:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 19:00:26 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <365C9516.7DCD1CD4@tstar.net> Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 17:39:08 -0600 From: Matthew Turner Organization: Anathema Enterprises X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 (Macintosh; U; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: edp question X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"e1XN13.0.AN6.yC9Ns"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2903 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I just bought an Echoplex and when I turn it on it reads that I have 5.6 seconds of looptime. Isn't it supposed to come with 12 seconds or something stock? Did I get ripped on memory? It also has a short in the mix dial, so I'm going to take it back anyway...just curious... From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 25 19:10:06 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id TAA00468; Wed, 25 Nov 1998 19:10:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 19:10:06 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <2.2.32.19981125235742.00cad270@pop.chromatic.com> X-Sender: kflint@pop.chromatic.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 15:57:42 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: edp question Resent-Message-ID: <"KaXc32.0.oS7.Tb9Ns"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2904 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com how many loops do you have the MoreLoops parameter set to? Sounds like it is on 9. (50.1sec / 9 = 5.6) kim At 05:39 PM 11/25/98 -0600, you wrote: >I just bought an Echoplex and when I turn it on it reads that I have 5.6 >seconds of looptime. Isn't it supposed to come with 12 seconds or >something stock? Did I get ripped on memory? It also has a short in the >mix dial, so I'm going to take it back anyway...just curious... > > > ________________________________________________________ Kim Flint, MTS 408-752-9284 ATI Research kflint@chromatic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Nov 25 20:14:37 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id UAA09814; Wed, 25 Nov 1998 20:14:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 20:14:37 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <365CA733.612C@club-internet.fr> Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 01:59:13 +0100 From: PERILLE Reply-To: perille@club-internet.fr Organization: PERILLUX X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 [fr]C-CLUB (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: DJRND2, a brand new looper to discover Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"BaETE3.0.Et1.dXANs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2905 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hello everybody ! My name is Emmanuel PERILLE, and I would like to introduce to you my cyclic looper, the DJRND2, based upon a predefined wheel recording method. The DJRND2 is mainly dedicated to DJs, but you can still use it in other situations, as to loop FM radio stations just for fun. The method is quite simple to use : - tap your tempo - trim your tapped tempo to reach a 0.1 BPM accuracy - and then start recording. The DJRND2 gearwheels never stop, and 14 stereo loops are always available to be mixed together with a muting keyboard, even during recording. Giving the exact tempo before recording allows you to obtain every loop perfectly recorded in terms of beat, since each loop has its own defined number of measures, and every loop is spinning in a common tempo. Immagine 14 stereo loops perfectly fit kick-to-kick at the same time, great ! You can change afterwards the loops tempo to synchronize with a new disc. I invite you to have a look at http://www.club-internet.fr/membres/perille And if it is possible, I can lend some prototypes so you can try. Thank you And long life to the looping world. Emmanuel PERILLE perille@club-internet.fr From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Nov 26 00:27:01 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id AAA07500; Thu, 26 Nov 1998 00:27:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 00:27:01 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19981126051515.15392.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [171.133.216.5] From: "wayne schroeder" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: symetrix 606 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 21:15:14 PST Resent-Message-ID: <"MoeIh1.0.Ub1.iGENs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2906 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Anybody have any knowledge or actually play one of these things? I hear they have good 24 bit converters, but difficult to program... anybody?........ Wayne ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Nov 26 00:34:55 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id AAA08363; Thu, 26 Nov 1998 00:34:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 00:34:55 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <74147d7b.365ce560@aol.com> Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 00:21:36 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: test Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 236 Resent-Message-ID: <"RzW3F1.0.ak1.lMENs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2907 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com test.......michael From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Nov 26 09:39:37 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id JAA22982; Thu, 26 Nov 1998 09:39:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 09:39:37 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199811261425.GAA26743@crow.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Subject: Re:Symetrix 606 Date: Thu, 26 Nov 98 08:26:48 +0100 x-sender: tiktok@pop.a001.sprintmail.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0, March 15, 1997 From: Tiktok Mobile HQ To: "Looper's Delight" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <"nooqo.0.QI5.sJMNs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2908 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >Anybody have any knowledge or actually play one of these things? >I hear they have good 24 bit converters, but difficult to program... >anybody?........ I ordered a manual from Symetrix to check out the feature set, and it was impressively deep. It looked like a super-Vortex with full MIDI implementation, sort of like the Korg 8000 delay, but it did look a bit daunting to program. Haven't seen one in person. Travis Hartnett From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Nov 26 10:38:53 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id KAA28876; Thu, 26 Nov 1998 10:38:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 10:38:53 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: RA336@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 10:21:09 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: new loopers Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 84 Resent-Message-ID: <"2h76F3.0.3h6.o8NNs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2909 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com hey all... anyone have any experience with this dod dimesion12 thing I have seen advertised? they call it a sampler-looper... can ya stick it in a guitar rack or what?.... also, anyone ever try fooling around with any of these new dj-style looper/sampling stations? and hey what about that post from Emmanuel PERILLE?... sounds very interesting! all the best for the coming holidays Robby Aceto From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Nov 26 13:02:44 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id NAA11504; Thu, 26 Nov 1998 13:02:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 13:02:44 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <01BE193A.D6745BA0@ds115.ix.netcom.com> From: John Celano To: "Loopers Delight (E-mail)" Subject: Midi software for EDP Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 12:46:46 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"fUfzF2.0.3T2.LIPNs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2910 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I just picked up a used EDP and was curious if there is any software out there for editing/controlling it. I've checked the FAQ but have not seen any reference to an editor Thanks From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Nov 26 14:06:39 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id OAA19088; Thu, 26 Nov 1998 14:06:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 14:06:39 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <365DA30C.372B834E@stic.net> Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 12:50:53 -0600 From: "James H. Sidlo" Organization: James H. Sidlo X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Some looping related stuff References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"kDeQk.0.U_3.97QNs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2911 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hello "out there" in Loop Land, Just picked up the new Massacre cd ( Tzadik), with Fred Frith, Bill Laswell, and Nick Heyward. I think it's great!! A little looping going on (I think?). But excellent textural stuff! I'm having some problems with keeping my Parker Nitefly (with tremolo bar) in tune. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Uncle Buzz Records (www.unclebuzz.com) has a new web site up! There are still some "Crevice 2" cds available. Please contact Uncle Buzz for further info. There are two future Crevice works due out (or in the immediate future). "Think of Pleasant Things" cd, from live shows in Austin and San Antonio. And, "Little Albert's Dream" lp (Lost Records, Dallas, Tx), which is more based on cutting up our own source material. I'm outta here for two weeks! Happy Holidays! James > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Nov 26 14:34:48 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id OAA22219; Thu, 26 Nov 1998 14:34:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 14:34:48 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: doug@mail.lightlink.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 14:20:55 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Doug Wyatt Subject: Re: new loopers Resent-Message-ID: <"SmCfz3.0.A95.JgQNs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2912 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 10:21 -0500 11/26/98, RA336@aol.com wrote: > hey all... > anyone have any experience with this dod dimesion12 thing I have seen > advertised? > they call it a sampler-looper... can ya stick it in a guitar rack or >what?.... Hey Rob, I got a D12 because it was relatively cheap and I was desperate for more delay time. You're welcome to stop over and check it out. The review on the L.D. web site panned it, but I find it usable though not great. Yes, it's a 1-rack space unit. The things I find to be limitations are: - no way to move sound between sampler and delay modes, so it's either a sampler (can trigger, can't overdub, can reverse, can modify start/stop points) or a delay (can't trigger, can overdub, can't reverse). In delay mode, you only get one loop. Switching between delay and sampler modes loses the loop. - in delay mode, with the feedback at 100%, the loop's high frequencies gradually vanish (my Sony doesn't do that) - no level indicators, though trial and error was sufficient - very limited MIDI control - can't control delay time, input level, or feedback. - modulation controls in delay mode are pre-feedback, so they're destructive On the plus side: - tap tempo - 12 sec. of recording in delay mode (1 loop) - 24 sec in sample mode (which is divided into 12+12, 6+6+12, 12+6+6 or 6+6+6+6). One idiosyncracy is that in delay mode, if you change the delay time while a loop is playing, it gets time-stretched instead of pitch-shifted. Maybe this is a limitation; I haven't decided whether I like it. I haven't gotten into sampler mode at all yet. Maybe it would work well as a way to capture loops from elsewhere and trigger them on the fly (which you can do via MIDI). > also, anyone ever try fooling around with any of these new dj-style > looper/sampling stations? I'm wondering about those too. There've been a few posts about the Dr. Sample... Take care, Doug -- Doug Wyatt doug@sonosphere.com Sonosphere (electric/improv music) http://www.sonosphere.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Nov 26 16:48:10 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id QAA03472; Thu, 26 Nov 1998 16:48:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 16:48:10 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <365DC709.C6C@club-internet.fr> Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 22:24:29 +0100 From: PERILLE Reply-To: perille@club-internet.fr Organization: PERILLUX X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 [fr]C-CLUB (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Followup-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com To: patrick@his.com CC: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Your DJRND2 questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"J9dJ_1.0.JL.4VSNs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2913 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hello Patrick, Let me answer to your questions about my DJRND2 : 1)RECORDING TIME The 1mn 28 sec are an average recording time since it is not so easy to express it exactly ! Due to my loop recording method, the recording time depends on the sampling frequency of course, but also on the tempo in BPM since this last parameter must be given before recording to reach to perfect beat looping. This is why I express the recording time in terms of colunns , 3840 colunns exactly for the total 14 stereo loops. Now, I can give you the magic formula to convert it into seconds : Total recording time (seconds) = 3840*rhythmic_coef/sampling_freq(Hz) make rhythmic_coef = (60*sampling_freq(Hz))/(32*tempo(BPM)) if rhythmic_coef > 1023 then divide by 2 until it is ok; if rhythmic_coef < 512 then multiply by 2 until it is ok; For instance : At Fs=32 kHz, 120 BPM (Tekno) gives 120 sec (rhythmic_coef=1000) At Fs=32 kHz, 90 BPM (Rap) gives 80 sec (rhythmic_coef=667) At Fs=40 kHz, 120 BPM (Tekno) gives 60 sec (rhythmic_coef=625) At Fs=40 kHz, 90 BPM (Rap) gives 80 sec (rhythmic_coef=833) As you can see in this typical example, upgrading the sampling frequency from 32 to 40 kHz in a possible next version keeps the same recording time for RAP music (1 mn 20 sec), but divides by 2 the Tekno recording time (1 mn instead of 2). In fact, it does not seem to be a problem at all when using the DJRND2 because you never matter the loop time since the number of measures remains always predefined for each loop. No problem I say except maybe for Dance music which tempo is similar to Tekno but with some lirics on, so these poor lirics will be cut in 2 ! Anyway, it remains a good fun ! 2)RECORDING SUPPORT It is a 16 Mbyte Dynamic RAM memory, 72 pin SIMM package, EDO or PGM. But you do not need to mind about it, since it is already in the device. There is no way for saving loops, since they are made from pre-recorded supports (LP's, CD's, tapes, radio), and you can still reloop them very easily with the DJRND2 (It's more fun than keeping the loops !) Nevertheless, you can still use the device as a looping catcher, and record what you have just looped into a digital machine (PC, DAT, MD ...). As loops are recorded on live with a correct level, you won't lose much about the noise ratio once printed on a digital support, even using an analog link (cinch). You just have to notice the tempo of your loops to chop them again on your PC software for instance. Keep on mind that the DJRND2 has been designed to be used on live first. 3)EXPANDING ? No, not for the moment, because if I upgrade it to 32 Megabyte right now for instance, I have 2 choices : - have 28 stereo loops instead of 14, which is maybe for the moment not necessary, and the DJRND2 core couldn't reach it with its little CPU, or - have the 14 loops twice longer, and then let's take a cup of tea until the loop has finished recording : too long indeed and maybe a bit boring and harder to manage. DJRND2 has been made to be fun to use ! 4) 1/4" INPUTS ? Excuse me, but I do not understand what you mean about it. I suppose it's about connections, and if so, the DJRND2 one's are cinch connectors (for the moment) 5) TESTING THE DJRND2: Yes ! with pleasure ! But how can we proceed now ? I suppose you are not living in Europe, and probably in USA ? If so, I think it will be hard for us to meet. So, I won't be able to come and see you for a demonstration, unless I book a flight, and I am not very reach for the moment ! But I still can lend you a prototype if you want. For the moment, I have some waiting at home, so it's always possible. But once all of my prototypes will be lent, I will have to build some new ones, and of course this way has its limits : money ! So, what I can do is sending to you a prototype if you want so you could keep it during a certain time to use it, meanwhile I keep on finding other users. But once all of my first present prototypes are lent, I will ask the first people to buy them or to give them back. To have some prototypes manufactured in FRANCE by tiny batches, I demand the equivalent of 6000 Francs ( about 1070 Dollars, 1 Dollar = 5.60 Francs ) (+ sending cost ?) 6) OTHER TECHNICAL POINTS - the DJRND2 hasn't got any MIDI link, since it is a total automotive audio looping process. It works just like a player in terms of beat (BPM) and angular position. (The BACK/FORW keys could be compared with LP's scratching philosophicaly spoken, the effects being quite different) - there is no footswitch, so you can hardly use it yourself as an instrumentalist. Meaning that you will need somebody else to loop your guitar performances. - looping live CD's and LP's, this is exactly what the DJRND2 has been designed for ! (*******************************************************************) Voila ! Thank you for your interest Looking forward to hearing again from you soon. Best regards Emmanuel PERILLE Villemomble (near Paris) FRANCE perille@club-internet.fr http://www.club-internet.fr/membres/perille From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Nov 26 17:34:56 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id RAA08786; Thu, 26 Nov 1998 17:34:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 17:34:56 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <365DD58A.404080E7@dial.pipex.com> Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 22:26:18 +0000 From: Gareth Whittock X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com CC: Loopers-Delight-d@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Kyma References: <199811240808.DAA11768@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"QSq111.0.Er1.yKTNs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2914 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >Moving to Kyma, so... Hi Eric, Perhaps you could tell me What are the looping possibilities of Kyma? Is kyma software of hardware? What platform does it need? Gareth From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Nov 26 19:36:34 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id TAA21083; Thu, 26 Nov 1998 19:36:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 19:36:34 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199811270023.SAA13228@supermail.globaldialog.com> Subject: Re: Kyma Date: Thu, 26 Nov 98 19:20:38 -0000 x-sender: camuscar@pop.globaldialog.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0, March 15, 1997 From: To: "Looper's Delight" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <"avPWj3.0.Yq4.F4VNs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2915 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >>Moving to Kyma, so... > >Hi Eric, >Perhaps you could tell me > >What are the looping possibilities of Kyma? don't know >Is kyma software of hardware? both >What platform does it need? Mac > > >Gareth > I've never heard one of these, but I'd like to soon. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Nov 26 20:00:19 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id UAA23738; Thu, 26 Nov 1998 20:00:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 20:00:19 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <365DF678.1BEDA3B6@bellsouth.net> Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 19:46:48 -0500 From: Jeff Duke X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.07 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Kyma References: <199811270023.SAA13228@supermail.globaldialog.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Kqwdv3.0.EO5.SOVNs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2916 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Happy Thanksgiving all, I found this on Kyma, haven't explored the site yet. http://www.symbolicsound.com/eighth.html jeff camuscar@globaldialog.com wrote: > >>Moving to Kyma, so... > > > >Hi Eric, > >Perhaps you could tell me > > > >What are the looping possibilities of Kyma? > don't know > >Is kyma software of hardware? > both > >What platform does it need? > Mac > > > > > >Gareth > > > I've never heard one of these, but I'd like to soon. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Nov 26 20:59:42 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id UAA30546; Thu, 26 Nov 1998 20:59:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 20:59:42 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <365E0476.11D0@club-internet.fr> Date: Fri, 27 Nov 1998 02:46:30 +0100 From: PERILLE Reply-To: perille@club-internet.fr Organization: PERILLUX X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 [fr]C-CLUB (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Nemoguitt@aol.com CC: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Little ersatz done with the DJRND2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"ZLSRg2.0.R97.AKWNs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2917 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hello Michael, I am sorry, but I haven't prepared some waves on the Net for the moment although I have already recorded things backed up on MD's. I am still not sure it could have proved something for someone who has not already seen the DJRND2 working. Nevertheless, let me tell you something I did this week as I am use to make some funny intuitive things with it : As I like looping FM radio stations, last day I tuned at random on a philosophical conversation. I tapped the speech rate and directly recorded several coupled-up loops. Some were great! I immediatly went off the SINC position to repress TAP to display the loops tempo : something like 78 BPM. So I fetched a rap music record which I knew it could musicaly fit well with. I started playing the disc, tapped the tempo and trimmed it accurately, and pressed SINC again. An automatic pitch-shifted synchronization in terms of BPM and Bar had begun so the DJRND2 correctly fit the looped speech in the disc tempo. Then I recorded a couple of wheels from the LP while drums and bass, and that was it. I could record the result on MD while I was juggling between speech wheels with the background drums and bass loops spinning. Funny ! Did you have a look at http://www.club-internet.fr/membres/perille ? So long Emmanuel PERILLE perille@club-internet.fr Villemomble (near Paris) FRANCE From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Nov 26 23:19:32 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id XAA13335; Thu, 26 Nov 1998 23:19:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 23:19:32 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: klaw@pop.iglou.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 16:31:24 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Keenan Lawler Subject: Re: Stage Set ups... In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: Resent-Message-ID: <"81Nmn2.0.ho2.rGYNs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2918 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 08:12 PM 11/14/98 -0500, you wrote: >In a message dated 11/13/98 7:25:57 PM Mid-Atlantic Standard Time, >unitcirc@keys.com writes: > ><< http://www.intonarumori.com/set-up.html >> >kevin......thanks for the stage set-up......the rest was a wonderfull >earfull......thanks........michael > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Nov 26 23:49:34 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id XAA16689; Thu, 26 Nov 1998 23:49:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 23:49:34 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Marzzz@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 23:38:05 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Kyma Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 189 Resent-Message-ID: <"aWc5B3.0._n3.8qYNs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2919 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 11/26/98 4:34:23 PM, whiteoak@dial.pipex.com writes: >What are the looping possibilities of Kyma? Since it is a wide open system, I would think you would be able to set up nearly any looping scenario you desire. >Is kyma software or hardware? Both. Kyma is the software used to run the Capybara hardware, which is a 3-space rackmountable box that contains the DSP cards >What platform does it need? It runs on Mac, and PC, as well as laptops (thru a PCMCIA interface). The price of a basic ystem has dropped to $3300, tres cool..... Marshall From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Nov 27 03:51:25 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id DAA07786; Fri, 27 Nov 1998 03:51:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Nov 1998 03:51:25 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <01BE193A.D6745BA0@ds115.ix.netcom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 27 Nov 1998 00:39:03 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Midi software for EDP Resent-Message-ID: <"ePcAt2.0.0f1.gNcNs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2920 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >I just picked up a used EDP and was curious if there is any software out >there for editing/controlling it. > >I've checked the FAQ but have not seen any reference to an editor actually, no, I don't think there is. (other than max patch hacks I've made for testing things, you're welcome to have those if you want.) Also, if anybody out there would be interested in creating a nice editor for the echoplex, please contact me! kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Nov 27 19:21:22 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id TAA27347; Fri, 27 Nov 1998 19:21:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Nov 1998 19:21:22 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199811280009.QAA11325@mail.eskimo.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: muman@eskimo.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Fri, 27 Nov 1998 16:08:20 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: feedback pedal Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) Resent-Message-ID: <"Re1wr3.0.jI6.EzpNs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2921 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Greetings, here's a question for you all. I hooked up my EDP to my Planet Phatt. I use the EDP to send MIDI Clock. For some reason, the feedback pedal acts as a MIDI controller, affecting the tonal balance of the Planet Phatt. I finally turned off all controllers on the Planet Phatt, to get a clean sound. Has anyone else experienced this. Louis Hesselt-van-Dinter editor Music Uncovered From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Nov 27 19:46:28 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id TAA31197; Fri, 27 Nov 1998 19:46:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Nov 1998 19:46:28 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19981127193204.007da2e0@wingate> X-Sender: abolce#esper.com@wingate X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 27 Nov 1998 19:32:04 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: "Andrew Bolce'" Subject: I'm cheap (ie... software samplers) In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"XoTFh3.0.MA7.EKqNs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2922 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com anyone know any good ones... theres so many to choose from and i really don't want to waste all that time. i've tried phatboy and mellosoftron. i don't like the way mst resamples the wavs instead of changing the pitch... is this a problem with all software or just these guys? and as for phatboy, i've still getting it to get past the first screen without an error. i'm looking for any good real-time sampler, preferably with multi-tets and multi-tunings but i won't be that picky. a nice interface is probably the most important thing to me... and of course ones that don't change the orignal wavs... without me wanting to of course. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Nov 27 19:56:24 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id TAA32624; Fri, 27 Nov 1998 19:56:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Nov 1998 19:56:24 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199811280009.QAA11325@mail.eskimo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 27 Nov 1998 16:42:46 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: feedback pedal Resent-Message-ID: <"GGVPH2.0.Jc7.8VqNs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2923 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 8:08 AM -0800 11/27/98, muman@eskimo.com wrote: >Greetings, >here's a question for you all. >I hooked up my EDP to my Planet Phatt. I use the EDP to send MIDI >Clock. For some reason, the feedback pedal acts as a MIDI controller, >affecting the tonal balance of the Planet Phatt. I finally turned off >all controllers on the Planet Phatt, to get a clean sound. The echoplex sends feedback out as a continuous controller message. Seems that in your case it happens to be sending on a controller number also used by the Planet Phatt. There are two things you can do. The Echoplex determines which controller number is used for feedback with the "FeedBkCont" parameter. You might want to check and see which controller #'s the Planet Phatt uses and set the Echoplex to use a different one that won't do anything to the PP. Or, you could set the echoplex to be on a different midi channel than the Planet Phatt. Midi clock is independent of midi channel, so this won't affect your ability to sync the two. If the echoplex is on a different midi channel, the Planet Phatt should ignore any cc messages it sends, but still use the midi clock. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Nov 27 23:05:11 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id XAA26503; Fri, 27 Nov 1998 23:05:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Nov 1998 23:05:11 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <910DB0F2FCC3D111B22C00805F654C950858BA@EXCHANGENY> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 27 Nov 1998 19:47:25 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: The Undo question Resent-Message-ID: <"A_oge2.0.i06.GCtNs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2924 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 2:27 PM -0800 11/25/98, Thomas Rupolo wrote: >My question concrens what might appear to be the limited functionality >of the Undo function. My Echoplex is currently maxed out at 198 sec. >Many times I've overdubbed something onto loop 1, and then listened to >it once and instantly realized I made a horrible mistake. When I press >Undo it does not erase the last overdubbeed layer. > >The manual refers to the fact that memory may not be available. Does >that refer to the total length of the memory available or just the time >remaining in the individual loop? Do I need to press Undo instantly? >Do I need to change any settings? Or is this just a "known problem." > >Whenever possible, I of course copy to the next loop before overdubbing >to prevent mangling my loops, but if I could just undo it would save me >a few steps to be sure. Also when I have 9 loops filled That option is >not available. ok, a few things to consider for you here: For Undo, it's the memory available for that particular loop that matters, not the whole memory. I gather you regularly have it set for 9 loops? So you really only have 22 seconds available for each loop, which is definitely limited for Undo. There just won't be much room to save previous versions of your loops. If your loop is more than about 7 seconds, you won't be able to undo at all. For Undo to be possible, the plex needs memory to save your current version, the previous version, plus "working room" for creating new versions. Memory limits seems the most likely thing you are experiencing. You might want to try setting MoreLoops to 1 for a bit just to play around with Undo some and get the full experience of it without encountering any memory limits. Then you should have no trouble removing numerous Overdubs. That would be a good way to practice with it to get a really good feel for using it well, which should help when using it with tighter memory. Also, make sure you know the difference between a long-press of Undo and a short-press. Long-press will remove everything overdubbed during an entire pass of the loop, whereas short-press removes overdubs after the point where you tap Undo. (useful when you want to keep the first part of the overdub, but want to take out the end.) If you do a short-press towards the end of the loop, it would only remove a small bit which you might not even notice. If you had really intended to do the long-press type of undo, this could seem like nothing happened. Further, learn to be conscious of when you are actually overdubbing. The echoplex will not use up memory if there is no input happening. But as soon as there is, it considers that entire pass a new change and saves that entire pass in a new bit of memory, available for undo. If you are not paying attention, it is easy to use a lot more memory than you think. For example, if you happen to start your overdub just before the startpoint of the loop, continue overdubbing over a whole pass of the loop, and stop overdubbing just after the end of the loop, you will actually have used three new sections of memory instead of just one! When you press Undo the first time, you will remove that last little bit hanging over the end of the loop, which you may hardly even notice! You have to press Undo a second time to take away the main overdub. And if memory is limited, that little bit may be the only thing you are able to Undo, and all the meat of the overdub will be permanently mixed in. So try to be conscious of that, and not overdub more than necessary, or make sure you have enough memory available to accomodate 2 or more undo layers. Review the section of the manual on Undo again, too. I find it very helpful to understand what the echoplex is doing with memory when you are overdubbing and undoing. You know what the limits are and what's possible and what's not at any given point. The manual has a reasonable explanation of how it works, with some pictures. hope this helps, kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Nov 28 01:11:31 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id BAA10646; Sat, 28 Nov 1998 01:11:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 01:11:31 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19981128060542.0068d0c4@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: gls@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 00:05:42 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Grover Sheffield Subject: Re: impending footswitch failure? Resent-Message-ID: <"o2DjX1.0.Ov1.q2vNs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2925 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com My EDP footpedal record button is recently showing erratic behavior; starting another recording when I press to stop, starting another recording when I release it, or just not starting the instant I press it. If I'm very precise (use my big toe rather than my foot!) it's usually normal. Since this is irregular behavior, I'm assuming my parameters are unchanged and okay. I'm wondering if the switch is starting to fail (the unit is less than a year old). If so, can I repair or replace the switch? Thanks in advance for any suggestions. Grover From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Nov 28 02:16:56 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id CAA19070; Sat, 28 Nov 1998 02:16:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 02:16:56 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.19981128060542.0068d0c4@pop.mindspring.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 27 Nov 1998 23:00:16 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: impending footswitch failure? Resent-Message-ID: <"spBAv.0.IJ4.41wNs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2926 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Those switches come from mouser, http://www.mouser.com. I just took a look on the site, I think it's part number 103-50211. they cost $1.65 for one. You might want to check the p/n with Oberheim to be sure. heck, maybe they'll even send you a replacement. They're very easy to replace in the pedal. kim >My EDP footpedal record button is recently showing erratic behavior; >starting another recording when I press to stop, starting another recording >when I release it, or just not starting the instant I press it. If I'm very >precise (use my big toe rather than my foot!) it's usually normal. Since >this is irregular behavior, I'm assuming my parameters are unchanged and >okay. I'm wondering if the switch is starting to fail (the unit is less >than a year old). If so, can I repair or replace the switch? Thanks in >advance for any suggestions. Grover ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Nov 28 06:07:32 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id GAA07831; Sat, 28 Nov 1998 06:07:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 06:07:32 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 02:54:25 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: EDP reverse looping Resent-Message-ID: <"RAbwB3.0.4l1.0UzNs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2927 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 11:31 AM -0800 11/25/98, Steven Barnes wrote: >OK, got my Echoplex, thanks to the group buy... > >After hearing a cool drone project, I wanted to try a reverse delay. There >doesn't >seem to be a way to do this on the Echoplex. I can reverse the loop, but >then my >overdubs are not reversed. not sure exactly what you're looking for, but to me it's perfect that the overdubs don't get reversed. That way you can get overdubs going both directions! you're coming and going and going and coming.... Some other reverse tricks I've found: (set insert mode to reverse, so you always have it convenient on the button...) - End a record by tapping reverse instead of tapping record again. What you just played immediately goes backwards. Especially cool with sounds that are percussive with a long sustain, like piano or guitar chords, but you knew that. - Do the same above, but set feedback to 0. Then it only plays once for a cool, quick forward-reverse effect. Anytime you want to do another one, just do the record-reverse sequence again. Nice because you don't have to setup any loop length ahead of time or anything. Whenever you want it, whatever length, it's right there. Easy to keep things in rhythm too. - Do the same, except turn mix all the way to loop. The you just get the backwards part, for those instant look-ma-I'm-jimi tricks. - record a loop length, put feedback at 0. leave overdub on. play stuff, tap reverse. play stuff, tap reverse, etc. Easier than the record-reverse approach above in that it only takes one press, when you finish a phrase. you have to be a bit careful though, since it's easy to end up leaving something in the loop somewhere, which is likely to suddenly pop up again when you don't expect it. I find I can keep things under control if I stop playing right as I tap reverse. However, if you're not trying to keep things under control, you can go pretty nutty this way. Try leaving feedback up some, get really crazy... Also, I always find that backwards reverb sounds kinda crappy. Good idea to run dry for the reverse stuff, maybe put the reverb after the loops. Unless you like the sound of crappy backwards reverb, of course... >It also seems as if once I reverse the loop, I cannot undo any overdubs that >happened >before the reversal. yeah, you can't undo anything prior to a reverse. It's a bummer, but programming that was just way too hard/impossible with a simple processor. The undo/reverse combo takes some serious memory management! You have to work around that one, I'm afraid. >BTW, I'm having problems in general with getting my overdubs and undos to be >timed >to the cycle correctly. I usually get a little snippet of the overdub still >in the loop after >an undo. Any tips would be appreciated. (Having the EDP count down the >remaining >time the loop would be extremely useful in this regard) pay attention to where the startpoints of the loop are, note the stuff I said about undo in the other mail, and practice with it some. You'll get the hang of it. Or you could apply the clear-cutting/stripmining/carpet-bombing method of undo use, where anytime you think you want to take something out, just whack undo repeatedly to be sure you got it. :-) kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Nov 28 11:22:46 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id LAA04030; Sat, 28 Nov 1998 11:22:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 11:22:46 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Brian Thomson, London UK" To: "Looper's Delight List" Subject: More Bass Loopage: Michael Manring Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 16:06:23 -0000 Message-ID: <000001be1ae9$0bf72140$37165c8b@briant.ibm.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"-oYrz1.0.2Z.p-1Os"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2928 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com There can't be that many bassists on this list, or else someone else would have mentioned Michael Manring by now. He's definitely a (shocking) bassist first and foremost, but has been enjoying a little looping recently. Here's a bit from a review of a recent Manring concert by Ashton Treadway , posted to "The Bottom Line": " Snakes Got Legs" from Thonk, and, well, erm. Jesus H.P. Laserjet CHRIST. Michael started with the four-string headless fretted bass, laying down a slapped percussion, and looping it. He then laid down the primary riff for the song, and looped that over the first "thump" loop. While this was playing, he played against and over the two loops, and looped THAT. Then, with the three loops playing, he put DOWN the original bass, picked up his Michael Manring Zon HyperBass, and laid down some SCREAMING thrashmetal licks over everything else, gleefully looping all the while. Before too much longer, there were about twelve loops playing, all of them perfectly integrated, and he stood there and just put his head in his hands like "My God, what have I DONE" before putting down the Hyperbass and going back to the four-string, gradually stripping loops off until he finished with just him. After that song, he said "He has some ISSUES left over from his adolescence." in this high-school guidance-counselor voice. He's a damn funny man onstage, and the audience LOVED him. He's also an alien. I TOLD you. " According to his website (http://www.manthing.com), he's using two Lexicon JamMan units for looping live. Last time he was in the UK, I didn't find out until after he left. I'm NOT going to let that happen again! There's almost NO looping action here in the UK, so I'm going to have to fill the gap somehow. Either that or get off my own arse..? (hmmm) Brian Thomson, London UK bnt@ibm.net / bnt@email.com "A fig for those by LAW protected, LIBERTY's a glorious feast! COURTS for cowards were erected, CHURCHES built to please the Priest!" -- Burns: Love & Liberty (1785) From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Nov 28 12:40:12 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id MAA13839; Sat, 28 Nov 1998 12:40:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 12:40:12 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19981128172349.1031.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [209.64.195.180] From: "ur eye" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: boston...Bruf/Lev/Bot/Torn MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 09:23:48 PST Resent-Message-ID: <"2PYvV1.0.ku2.e73Os"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2929 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com One question.. When is it? Please don't say I've missed it....... ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Nov 28 12:45:39 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id MAA14774; Sat, 28 Nov 1998 12:45:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 12:45:39 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19981128172930.00669760@tiac.net> X-Sender: rphunt@tiac.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 12:29:30 -0500 To: stickwire-l@netcom.com, JBKBOUNCE@aol.com, DGM@disciplinegm.demon.co.uk, WNGV45A@prodigy.com, etnier@studiodual.com, Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, malspal@tka.com, rhunt@lr.net, VinnyG927@aol.com, stick@crane.prod.itd.earthlink.net From: Reginald Hunt Subject: new tracks Resent-Message-ID: <"Y-RL7.0.K73.sE3Os"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2930 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I've just posted the last 2 realaudio tracks of my virtual album "Elastick". You may want to check it out soon, as I might be replacing it with a new Christmas album. Reg From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Nov 28 12:49:10 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id MAA15346; Sat, 28 Nov 1998 12:49:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 12:49:10 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19981128173048.00672198@tiac.net> X-Sender: rphunt@tiac.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 12:30:48 -0500 To: stickwire-l@netcom.com, JBKBOUNCE@aol.com, DGM@disciplinegm.demon.co.uk, WNGV45A@prodigy.com, etnier@studiodual.com, Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, malspal@tka.com, rhunt@lr.net, VinnyG927@aol.com, stick@crane.prod.itd.earthlink.net From: Reginald Hunt Subject: Resent-Message-ID: <"TAWt61.0.JA3.-F3Os"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2931 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I've just posted the last 2 realaudio tracks of my virtual album "Elastick". You may want to check it out soon, as I might be replacing it with a new Christmas album. www.tiac.net/users/rphunt Reg From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Nov 28 15:44:18 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id PAA04214; Sat, 28 Nov 1998 15:44:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 15:44:18 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19981128204324.0068b2b4@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: gls@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 14:43:24 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Grover Sheffield Subject: Re: Thanks Kim Resent-Message-ID: <"tkjOo1.0.ui.gv5Os"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2932 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Kim, thanks for the info re: replacing the Mouser footswitch on the EDP. This will help make my (playing) life more predictable. Appreciate the help! Grover > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Nov 28 16:28:57 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id QAA09736; Sat, 28 Nov 1998 16:28:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 16:28:57 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19981128131604.00eaab50@shell5.ba.best.com> X-Sender: jcooper@shell5.ba.best.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 13:16:04 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: john s cooper Subject: MIDI control of Matrix-1000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"xcqeC2.0.P92.Yb6Os"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2933 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com hey folks, sorry for the off-topic mail - i imagine that the brilliant readers of this mailing list might be able to assist me (lots of oberheim edp and peavey pc1600 users here!) since i bought my awesome waldorf microwave 2 xt, i look to my other gear with a whole new level of expectations. last night, i revisited my neglected oberheim matrix-1000, seeking better midi realtime control of patch parameters (where are the knobs damnit?!!) at one point last year, i went through the process of setting up a couple control patches on my peavey PC1600 midi controller to allow me to tweak matrix-1000 patches in realtime. in particular, of course, i wanted to be able to adjust in realtime the filter cutoff and resonance, as well as various other things like wave shapes, FM amount, mix, oscillator frequencies, etc. i used sysex strings from the pc1600 to map the sliders and buttons to do these things. unfortunately, when adjusting some of the parameters in realtime, the synth would act strangely, hanging notes, etc. the worst of them all is the filter cutoff frequency. the matrix-1000 sysex chart calls it the "VCF Initial Frequency" which sort of implies that you're not supposed to be wiring this to a slider and reaming it with values... now, an alternative approach is to modify the matrix-1000 patch with a modulator to map a continous controller to filter cutoff frequency, and then set up a pc1600 slider to send that CC- this works beautifully. obviously, this is less than ideal, because i have to modify the matrix-1000 patch before i can tweak it from the pc1600, potentially clobbering something else in the modulation matrix... also, there are only 9 slots in the matrix, and only 4 or 5 possible CC's that act as sources in the matrix. so i can't really get control over a bunch of patch parameters simultaneously. (however, if this is my only option, i can set up the pc1600 with a button which sends out a big sysex string to change the synth's modulation matrix paths.) SO, now for the big mystery question. at the very end of the matrix-1000 manual, there is a paragraph which implies that you can control patch parameters from continuous controllers without the modulation matrix and without sysex. i however do not understand it, and after a couple hours experimenting with pc1600 midi strings, was unable to get any results. The "active continuous controllers" chart lists the following: 98 Non-Reg Parm LSB 99 Non-Reg Parm MSB 100 Reg Parm LSB 101 Reg Parm MSB Registered parameters: 00 Pitch Bend Range 01 Fine Tune 02 Transpose and then there is the following paragraph: "Non-registered parameters may be used to control any parameter by using the front panel parameter number. Matrix modulations must be controlled by use of the System Exclusive message. When using registered or non-registered parameter editing, all received data entry controller values are offset by 40h, except when the currently selected paraemeter is the register pitch bend range [...] this allows for transmission of negative numbers." this seems to imply that you can send one CC message with a parameter number followed by another CC message with a value. i tried sending CC 98 as the num and CC 99 as the value, and vice versa. i tried all kinds of things! unfortunately my original MIDI 1.0 spec doesn't discuss this, and the oberheim manual doesn't elaborate... i don't have a chart of "front panel parameter numbers" either. sorry for the lengthy email. i'm really hoping i can make my matrix-1000 more usable. thanks! -john ...................................................... john s cooper opcode systems, inc http://www.planetz.com http://www.opcode.com Please vote for my band, Z music, at www.bestband.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Nov 28 17:36:20 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id RAA17307; Sat, 28 Nov 1998 17:36:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 17:36:20 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199811282219.RAA18657@shell.monmouth.com> Reply-To: From: "andre" To: Subject: Re: boston...Bruf/Lev/Bot/Torn Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 17:19:48 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"xE1-r3.0.Jj3.RT7Os"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2934 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > One question.. When is it? Please don't say I've missed it....... > nope. tour starts next week, dec 1 i believe, in woodstock. check out www.papabear.com for a buncha info. anyone gonna be at the bottom line, fri 2nd set? andre' From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Nov 28 17:45:39 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id RAA18842; Sat, 28 Nov 1998 17:45:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 17:45:39 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19981128223246.859.rocketmail@send103.yahoomail.com> Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 14:32:46 -0800 (PST) From: dan sumner Subject: Re: roland dr. sample To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"cWRXN3.0.944.Hd7Os"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2935 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Rik, For the GR1, I've found it to be very limited. I just can't seem to get it to sound fat. I also have had problems with it's consistency in live applications. It's MIDI controll is inadaquate to drive anything else. As far as I can tell, they also never offered any memory cards with any new sounds. Did they? Wana buy mine? CHEAP ---Rik Myers wrote: > > >Has anyone used the Dr. Sample by roland? I'm > >interested but am wary after being duped by roland before with the GR1. > > Hey Dan, what do mean about being duped with the GR1? Just curious...I have > one, like it, play it alot (mostly synth pads) in conjunction with the VG-8. > > Hasta -> Rik > > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Nov 28 17:57:12 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id RAA20514; Sat, 28 Nov 1998 17:57:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 17:57:12 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: klaw@pop.iglou.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 18:43:08 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Keenan Lawler Subject: test In-Reply-To: <199811250404.AA29229@world.std.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: Resent-Message-ID: <"y1Si22.0.fN4.4m7Os"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2936 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com test ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Nov 28 18:49:29 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id SAA26958; Sat, 28 Nov 1998 18:49:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 18:49:29 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 18:31:52 -0500 From: Bill Monk <72267.2124@compuserve.com> Subject: impending footswitch failure? Sender: Bill Monk <72267.2124@compuserve.com> To: Blind.Copy.Receiver@compuserve.com Message-ID: <199811281835_MC2-61CF-B527@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"sYcit2.0.156.DZ8Os"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2937 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >>Those switches come from mouser, http://www.mouser.com. I just took a look >>on the site, I think it's part number 103-50211. Any idea of a source for the input/output pots and mix/feedback pots? I've had mix/feedback damaged in transit before, and in/out are now exhibiting some crackling. Oberheim was nice enough to send some mix/feed pots but they can't be expected to do that forever; be nice to know where to buy a direct replacement. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Nov 28 22:17:33 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id WAA20262; Sat, 28 Nov 1998 22:17:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 22:17:33 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3660BD9B.1391@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 19:20:59 -0800 From: scott kungha drengsen X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-MACOS8 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: More Bass Loopage: Michael Manring References: <000001be1ae9$0bf72140$37165c8b@briant.ibm.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"cH4jW2.0.Mj4.ygBOs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2938 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I was actually at this concert and I did mention it on this list.What impressed me almost as much as "Snakes Got Legs"was the fact he worked both Jammen(original pedals)with some BIG BOOTS on.:-) By the way I am a bassist who primarily loops... Scott http://www.basscapes.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Nov 28 22:31:59 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id WAA22002; Sat, 28 Nov 1998 22:31:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 22:31:59 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19981128222736.007b76b0@mindspring.com> X-Sender: zanga@mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 22:27:36 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Rik Myers Subject: Re: roland dr. sample In-Reply-To: <19981128223246.859.rocketmail@send103.yahoomail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"wpdz-1.0.jD5.VxBOs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2939 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi Dan >Rik, >For the GR1, I've found it to be very limited. I just can't seem to >get it to sound fat. I also have had problems with it's consistency >in live applications. It's MIDI controll is inadaquate to drive >anything else. As far as I can tell, they also never offered any >memory cards with any new sounds. Did they? Wana buy mine? CHEAP Hmm, well, I dunno about cards for the GR-1. I guess I learned to work around the limitations (aren't they ALWAYS there?). No probs live. RE: cholesterol. I fatten all my digital stuff with tube preamps. Lately, I've been mighty fond of a Groove Tubes STPG-1 I picked up used. It let's me abuse a real power amp section with EL34s and tranny and all and then squirt out a line level signal to feed the board. When I mix the GR-1 signal, VG-8 signal, and raw guitar signal down and squirt it through a dimed STPG-1 we get some pretty corpulescent action happening. But hey, it's a matter of taste! Mssr Coffin: I'll try to get some tunes to you soonly. I got married 12 hours ago and am taking a brief break from the festivities. After the dust settles I'll get some material together. Love to improvise via email if you wish. Wav or whatever. Hasta -> Rico From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Nov 29 00:18:40 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id AAA00940; Sun, 29 Nov 1998 00:18:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 00:18:40 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Evilgeek@aol.com Message-ID: <703fa8f5.3660d53b@aol.com> Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 00:01:47 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Re: roland dr. sample Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 78 Resent-Message-ID: <"c2M2p3.0.Xu7.3MDOs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2940 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 11/28/98 9:31:31 PM, you wrote: <<>Rik, >For the GR1, I've found it to be very limited. I just can't seem to >get it to sound fat. I also have had problems with it's consistency >in live applications. It's MIDI controll is inadaquate to drive >anything else. As far as I can tell, they also never offered any >memory cards with any new sounds. Did they? Wana buy mine? CHEAP >> Ill buy it -It would make a good x-mas gift for my ambitious, novice looping self-details? Rand From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Nov 29 13:37:08 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id NAA15827; Sun, 29 Nov 1998 13:37:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 13:37:08 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Rob Cullen" To: Subject: I'm getting your mails! Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 18:22:58 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Resent-Message-ID: <"ful6H.0.5R3.24POs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2941 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi I just subscibed to your mailing list and now I'm getting copies of all the mails sent to you here on my machine. They're really quite entertaining but as I have had 14 in the last 24 hrs they could get a little tiresome! Can U help? Rob From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Nov 29 14:38:55 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id OAA22480; Sun, 29 Nov 1998 14:38:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 14:38:55 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: aden@pop.ne.mediaone.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 14:20:42 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Aden Evens Subject: Rob, Re: I'm getting your mails! Resent-Message-ID: <"H1wSj3.0.q25.gwPOs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2942 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Rob, That's what happens when you subscribe to a mailing list: you get all the mail sent to the list on your machine. What were you expecting? Aden >Hi > >I just subscibed to your mailing list and now I'm getting copies of all the >mails sent to you here on my machine. > >They're really quite entertaining but as I have had 14 in the last 24 hrs >they could get a little tiresome! > >Can U help? > >Rob From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Nov 29 14:45:54 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id OAA23469; Sun, 29 Nov 1998 14:45:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 14:45:54 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <8c4f9c29.3661a140@aol.com> Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 14:32:16 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: roland dr. sample Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 236 Resent-Message-ID: <"z2Wsy1.0.8L5.A6QOs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2943 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 11/29/98 1:31:31 AM Mid-Atlantic Standard Time, zanga@mindspring.com writes: << I'll try to get some tunes to you soonly. I got married 12 hours ago and am taking a brief break from the festivities. >> what dedication!............................michael From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Nov 29 15:14:05 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id PAA27159; Sun, 29 Nov 1998 15:14:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 15:14:05 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 14:29:17 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: patrick@his.com (Patrick Smith) Subject: Re: I'm getting your mails! Resent-Message-ID: <"MQb8u.0.2H6.9XQOs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2944 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com On 11/29/98 Rob C. said" >Hi > >I just subscibed to your mailing list and now I'm getting copies of all the >mails sent to you here on my machine. > >They're really quite entertaining but as I have had 14 in the last 24 hrs >they could get a little tiresome! > >Can U help? > >Rob Rob, Things have been slow this weekend due to the holiday in the states most likely and no inflammatory topics. Traffic on this list can be very heavy at times. You could either unsubscribe, get used to your delete key, or subscribe to the digest version. Patrick Now Available: FingerPaint Primary Colors: BLUE "can be edgy and intense as well as relaxing...." FAQT Shockwave audio featuring our newest release Primary Colors:Blue www.fingerpaint.net From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Nov 29 15:19:48 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id PAA27870; Sun, 29 Nov 1998 15:19:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 15:19:48 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19981129150815.007b2900@mindspring.com> X-Sender: zanga@mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 15:08:15 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Rik Myers Subject: Re: roland dr. sample In-Reply-To: <8c4f9c29.3661a140@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"O9sft2.0.BQ6.YbQOs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2945 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 02:32 PM 11/29/98 EST, you wrote: >In a message dated 11/29/98 1:31:31 AM Mid-Atlantic Standard Time, >zanga@mindspring.com writes: > ><< I'll try to get some tunes to you soonly. I got married 12 > hours ago and am taking a brief break from the festivities. >> > >what dedication!............................michael Ha! More like "relief" than "dedication". Rik From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Nov 29 21:11:48 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id VAA05591; Sun, 29 Nov 1998 21:11:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 21:11:48 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Jim_M_Shepherd@tivoli.com X-Lotus-FromDomain: TIVOLI SYSTEMS To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-ID: <862566CC.000A0556.00@MTA-Austin2.tivoli.com> Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 20:56:53 -0500 Subject: Re: Midi software for EDP Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"EL0Og3.0.201.glVOs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2946 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi Kim, I don't know if you've had any other takers on your midi editor contact offer. This is a project that I would be interested in. Perhaps we can discuss details? Jim Kim Flint on 11/27/98 03:39:03 AM Please respond to Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com cc: (bcc: Jim M Shepherd/Tivoli Systems) Subject: Re: Midi software for EDP >I just picked up a used EDP and was curious if there is any software out >there for editing/controlling it. > >I've checked the FAQ but have not seen any reference to an editor actually, no, I don't think there is. (other than max patch hacks I've made for testing things, you're welcome to have those if you want.) Also, if anybody out there would be interested in creating a nice editor for the echoplex, please contact me! kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Nov 29 21:55:49 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id VAA11087; Sun, 29 Nov 1998 21:55:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 21:55:49 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Jim_M_Shepherd@tivoli.com X-Lotus-FromDomain: TIVOLI SYSTEMS To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-ID: <862566CC.000DEA2B.00@MTA-Austin2.tivoli.com> Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 21:39:26 -0500 Subject: apology to group Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"kftE72.0.wE2.QNWOs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2947 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com All, I apologise for spamming the list with a message intended for Kim alone. Jim From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Nov 29 22:53:40 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id WAA17357; Sun, 29 Nov 1998 22:53:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 22:53:40 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199811281835_MC2-61CF-B527@compuserve.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 19:35:41 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, Blind.Copy.Receiver@compuserve.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: impending footswitch failure? Resent-Message-ID: <"oBGW01.0.Yj3.CDXOs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2948 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 3:31 PM -0800 11/28/98, Bill Monk wrote: >>>Those switches come from mouser, http://www.mouser.com. I just took a look >>>on the site, I think it's part number 103-50211. > >Any idea of a source for the input/output pots and mix/feedback pots? I've had >mix/feedback damaged in transit before, and in/out are now exhibiting some >crackling. Oberheim was nice enough to send some mix/feed pots but they can't >be expected to do that forever; be nice to know where to buy a direct >replacement. Don't know what vendors/part numbers they use for that on the echoplex these days. Shouldn't matter too much though, you should be able to find many that will work. Input/output pots are 10k audio taper, mix and feedback are both 50k linear. The form factor I think is a pretty common vertical, PC mount type. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Nov 30 00:29:46 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id AAA29683; Mon, 30 Nov 1998 00:29:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 00:29:46 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <000b01be1c20$cdef5d20$9c535c18@midsouth.rr.com> From: "Brad Wright" To: Subject: subscribe Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 23:17:59 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0008_01BE1BEE.811BC600" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.0810.800 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.0810.800 Resent-Message-ID: <"9bU4O1.0.qu6.ogYOs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2949 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01BE1BEE.811BC600 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable subscribe ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01BE1BEE.811BC600 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_0008_01BE1BEE.811BC600-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Nov 30 09:03:04 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id JAA09158; Mon, 30 Nov 1998 09:03:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 09:03:04 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Slam630@aol.com Message-ID: <1f9ba58c.36629dab@aol.com> Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 08:29:15 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: roland dr. sample Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 18 Resent-Message-ID: <"iFhjc1.0.vN1.wtfOs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2950 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 98-11-28 17:45:14 EST, you write: << Wana buy mine? CHEAP >> How much do you want for the Dr. Sample? From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Nov 30 11:05:28 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id LAA09178; Mon, 30 Nov 1998 11:05:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 11:05:28 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3662BFD9.206E@mdbs.com> Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 10:55:05 -0500 From: "Dennis W. Leas" X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win95; U) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: impending footswitch failure? References: <1.5.4.32.19981128060542.0068d0c4@pop.mindspring.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"it5RF.0.kp.0yhOs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2951 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hello, Grover! I had the RECORD button fail on me as well. Of course, it happened the night before my first looper performance. :) I replaced the button with a much "taller" one as that was the only replacement I could find on short notice (I went to Radio Shack). It turns out that I LIKE the "unmatched" RECORD button better that the original. I find it easier to use and locate, sort of like those bumps on the 'G' and 'H' keys (or 'F' and 'J' keys) on a computer keyboard. I recommend trying the larger size, perhaps while you're waiting on an identical replacement from Mouser. You'll probably need a couple of washers as the original button uses quite a large diameter mounting hole. - Dennis Leas -- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Nov 30 12:25:36 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id MAA11265; Mon, 30 Nov 1998 12:25:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 12:25:36 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199811301713.JAA10170@mail.eskimo.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: muman@eskimo.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 09:12:44 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: feedback pedal thanks Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) Resent-Message-ID: <"7nkaj3.0.Td1.V9jOs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2952 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Kim, thanks for your help. Louis Hesselt-van-Dinter editor Music Uncovered From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Nov 30 18:00:38 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id SAA17382; Mon, 30 Nov 1998 18:00:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 18:00:38 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 15:39:14 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <199811302239.PAA19877@mail.iex.net> X-Sender: crs@mail.usa.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: crs@usa.net (Chuck Angert) Subject: WANTED: MIDI-Visual Basic connection Resent-Message-ID: <"-ZA42.0.Kg2.9_nOs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2953 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi to all! I am looking to write some MIDI stuff in Visual Basic 5.0. I have searched the help and www - can only find Multi-Media player control, which does not let me get to the real midi data stream. I need a custom control (like the MSComm control) that lets me talk to/from MIDI devices already registered into the Win95 environment. (like my MusicQuest 8-port-SE or soundblaster MIDI port.) Any leads? Thanks. PS - any interested V.B. hackers out there want to talk MIDI code? email me! Chuck Joy - crs@usa.net From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Nov 30 21:24:06 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id VAA06243; Mon, 30 Nov 1998 21:24:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 21:24:06 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19981130220026.009d5e00@brooknorth.com> X-Sender: howard@brooknorth.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 22:00:26 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Howard Harawitz Subject: Re: WANTED: MIDI-Visual Basic connection Cc: crs@usa.net In-Reply-To: <199811302239.PAA19877@mail.iex.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"ZTXe-.0.It6.jqqOs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2954 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi Chuck, Check Mabry software on the web -- http://www.mabry.com/ . They offer a complete MIDI OCX (and VBX) custom control kit for VB (the MIDI Pack) which, in addition to MIDI I/O and standard MIDI file capability, even includes knobs, sliders, and pseudo-LED displays! You can download a trial version at their site. It is fully functional but brings up an annoying dialog box whenever you run a program containing a demo control. There is also an excellent book/CD combination by Paul Messick, called "Maximum MIDI", published by Manning. The URL is: http://www.manning.com/Messick/ . The author was Director of Engineering for Music Quest, where he developed MIDI interfaces and drivers. He is incredibly knowledgeable and uses the book to share what he has learned. This is definitely C++ oriented but contains loads of excellent explanatory material about timing and other low level MIDI I/O stuff in Windows, and comes with a dll (dynamic link library) that handles many MIDI functions, and which can be accessed with Visual Basic, although that is not mentioned in the book. The book includes well commented source code for the DLL and other programs that are on the CD. When you buy the book, you are eligible to partipate in an online forum in which the author is (or was -- I haven't checked into it for many months) an active participant. That is where I read that the dll can be used with VB. If you really want to understand how MIDI works on the Windows PC, this is definitely the book to read. There are a few older books that relate to DOS or the Atari ST. The Atari based one is actually a generally useful source of information about MIDI and MIDI programming. It contains Atari Basic source code for several useful programs, including a sequencer. With a bit of work, much of this could be ported to VB. It is "The Musician's Guide to MIDI", by Christian Braut, and is published by Sybex. Hope this helps. All the best, Howard At 03:39 PM 11/30/98 -0700, you wrote: >Hi to all! >I am looking to write some MIDI stuff in Visual Basic 5.0. >I have searched the help and www - can only find Multi-Media player >control, which does not let me get to the real midi data stream. > >I need a custom control (like the MSComm control) that lets me talk to/from >MIDI devices already registered into the Win95 environment. >(like my MusicQuest 8-port-SE or soundblaster MIDI port.) >Any leads? >Thanks. >PS - any interested V.B. hackers out there want to talk MIDI code? email me! >Chuck Joy - crs@usa.net > > ========================================================== Howard Harawitz howard@brooknorth.com ========================================================== Brooklyn North Software Works Inc. Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada Telephone: 1-902-423-0257 ========================================================== Check the Halifax Harbor Cam: http://www.brooknorth.com/camsite/ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Nov 30 22:57:48 1998 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id WAA12380; Mon, 30 Nov 1998 22:57:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 22:57:48 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <000701be1cdb$3c61a3c0$75e9cd80@zumchak> From: "Mike Zumchak" To: Subject: Hello Everyone!! -Some questions I have..... Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 22:32:33 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"xGU6Q3.0.rS.tCsOs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2955 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hello, first of all. I'm happy to see this mailing list exists! Anyway I've been doing stuff since 6th grade(writing MIDI sequences for for "Adlib FM" type playback). 2 years ago, I bought a wavetable soundcard(I thought it would solve my music wishes). The wavetable sucked, but its 16bit44khz dac came in handy- as I could loop beats and sounds! The only thing is: How can I arrange collections of samples (like in a musical sequence) ,and add nice sounding drums or backbeats using what I have and software? What software? Do I need a new Soundfont compatible soundcard to treat custom samples like MIDI notes? or what? please help.