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Hey--I want to tell you all it's been fun, and I learned a lot,
and this is one of the most interesting lists going, but for now
I just can't keep up. I'm incredibly busy with Y2K programming
and I don't even have time to play any music. >sob<

Take care,
Peter

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Sounds like you are looping acoustically, which is what I do. How do you
handle live situations, in particular how do you avoid signals from
feeding back into a loop from a monitor?

I remember reading a while back that you perform composed pieces. How
are you doing that with your EDP? Do you notate various loop actions as
well?

Oh, and if you have time, tell me more about these:
- waterphone
- ocean drum
- batu-tu
- gopiyantra
- ting-sha

rob



Dennis W. Leas wrote:
> 
> Cummings wrote:
> >
> > How many of you are of the above persuasion? That is,
> > drum/percussion/loopism?
> 
> I'm of that persuasion.
> 
> >
> > can mention what equipment you're
> > using for starters and we'll take it from there.
> 
> Equip: four or five SM-57 mics, Tascam 1024 mixer, two EDPs, one SPX-90,
> one Alesis M-EQ 230, pair of Klpsch KP-250s or KP-320s.  Sometimes a
> gate/compressor/limiter (Alesis or Behringer).
> 
> Instr: marimba, glockenspiel, triangle, cymbal, gongs, singing bowls,
> claves, shakers, chimes, birdcalls, udu, didjeridus, waterphone, ocean
> drum, batu-tu, gopiyantra, ting-sha, cuica, bells, slit drums, etc.
> 
> Hope to hear back from you, Roberto, and others.
> 
> - Dennis LEas
> --
> dennis@mdbs.com



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Hey, that sounds intriguing. How does your group go about synchronizing,
etc.? Do you loop acoustic or only electronic stuff?

Rob

Clayton Chipper wrote:
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> >How many of you are of the above persuasion? That is,
> >drum/percussion/loopism?
> >
> yeah i play in a group of 3 drummers/perc who use live looping and
> samplers.....




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How many bass players are there out there kicking out the dope loops,
yo?

I just started playing bass with this dreampop band called Aerial Love
Feed (sounds kind of like Lush covering My Bloody Valentine songs with
Will Hegge on bass and Dave Grohl on drums.

Anyhow, anyone have any tips on keeping the sound on the loops clear?  I
would imagine my bass rig would make many cringe-  here it is:

'69 Fender Musicmaster bass

Trainor YB4 bass amp with the hole in the speaker big enough to fit two
fingers into

a rotating array of pedals including but not limited to
MXR microamp
Small Stone Phaser
Boss PS-3 pitchshifter/delay
Big Muff.

I'm worried the tone might get a little muddy.  Any thoughts?

Plus: when looping bass, how do you build your loops? Do you start with
a high rhythmic figure, with a shifting bassline underneath?  A solid
bassline loop and countermelody on top?

tdb


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and have been eagerly following the rollercoaster ride of my musical
career (which is undoubtedly all of you), I am playing with a new band
called Aerial Love Feed.  Our next show is Friday 13th of novemeber at
the Continental.

I think it sounds sort of like Lush covering My Bloody Valentine songs,
and the comparisons to Slowdive abound.

tdb1

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Cummings wrote:
> 
> Sounds like you are looping acoustically, which is what I do. How do you
> handle live situations, in particular how do you avoid signals from
> feeding back into a loop from a monitor?

Yeah, this is a real problem.  Currently, I try close micing with cardiod mics.  I place my house 
speakers so that they don't "see" the stage mics.  I use a small mic stand mounted monitor and keep the 
sound level down as low as possible.  I play places that aren't very noisy so the PA isn't very loud.  
While all this helps, I still get sound degredation as I overdub loops.

I'm trying other things: I've tried using a single wireless mic that I wear.  I've tried noise-gates on 
my mics.  For any given song, I can adjust the gate threshold for proper operation; however, the next 
song needs different settings.  Consequently, I don't use noise-gates in performance.  I've thought about 
building an elaborate system that would "intelligently" listen to the background level and automatically 
adjust the noise-gate thresholds.  I tried adding switches to the mics (using that Switchcraft XLR 
connector with the in-line switch) and it's just another action that gets in the way of making music.  
For some compositions I pad down (on the mixer) the mics I'm not using.  That is, as I construct loops, I 
unpad the particular mic I'm going to use next.

I'm not satified with any of my solutions.  What do you do?  Any suggestions?

> I remember reading a while back that you perform composed pieces. How
> are you doing that with your EDP? Do you notate various loop actions as
> well?

My notations are mostly to help remind me of what to do.  I don't (usually) "read" them when I play.  
While I seem to remember the short phrases that I play, I'm apt to forget the sequence of looper 
"keystrokes".  So my notes don't include the "music", only the looper actions.  I tried including the 
music early on and found it unnecessary and confusing.  I call my notes a "song schema".

For a given song schema, I have three sections.  The first section lists the instruments used on the 
piece.  Before starting the piece, I can gather the instruments in convenient locations.  The second 
section lists the equipment set-up - EDP beats per 1/8, SPX-90 program settings, mixer channel panning, 
etc.  The third section lists the sequence of looper actions.  I've attached a Word document with an 
example of a traditional tune done "looper fashion".  Hope you can read it OK.

> Oh, and if you have time, tell me more about these:
> - waterphone
> - ocean drum
> - batu-tu
> - gopiyantra
> - ting-sha

I've been meaning to put together a web page with instrument descriptions.  For now, here's what I have.
The waterphone is the spookiest sounding instrument I have.  See http://spacebeat.com/waterphone/

The ocean drum is made by Remo.  It's a double-headed frame drum which contains small ball-bearings.  
When you hold the drum horizontal and tilt it from side to side, the ball-bearings roll across the bottom 
head and produce a "surf-like" sound.  It's very peaceful.

The Batu-tu from New Guinea is made from a length of bamboo with one end cut into two prongs or tines 
like a tuning fork.  The other end, serving as the handle, is split from the tines part of the way 
towards the end.  Striking the tines causes the split in the handle to buzz gently.  The Batu-tu is also 
known as the Tugangay or "devil chaser" in the Philippines.  I bought mine from Lark in the Morning. See 
http://www.larkinam.com/ 

The gopiyantra, a single stringed instrument from eastern India, is constructed from a short length of 
bamboo and a small single-headed drum.  The bamboo, divided into a yoke, forms the neck of the 
instrument.  The drum is fastened between the arms of the yoke with the open end pointing towards the top 
of the yoke.  One end of the string is attached to the top of the yoke, where the arms join together; 
extends between the arms of the yoke into the open end of the drum; and attaches to the center of the 
head inside the drum.  By squeezing the bamboo neck while plucking or striking the string, the string 
tension is varied hence changing the pitch of the instrument.  According to Hindu tradition, the 
Gopiyantra was played by the milk-maid consorts of Krishna.  Mine is a gift from a friend but Lark in the 
Morning also has them (called Gopi Chand in their catalog).

Ting-sha chimes from Tibet looks like two very small, very thick cymbals.  It produces quite a dissonant, 
penetrating sound intended to immediately focus your attention to the present and is used by Buddhist 
monks in meditation practices.  Lark in the Morning also carries these, although I got mine elsewhere.

Hope you found this interesting...

- Dennis Leas
-- 
dennis@mdbs.com

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In a message dated 11/2/98 11:15:56 AM, nyfac2@nyfac.com writes:

>and have been eagerly following the rollercoaster ride of my musical
>career (which is undoubtedly all of you), I am playing with a new band
>called Aerial Love Feed.  Our next show is Friday 13th of novemeber at
>the Continental.
>
>I think it sounds sort of like Lush covering My Bloody Valentine songs,
>and the comparisons to Slowdive abound.

Who cares what you sound like? I would go see you for your band name
alone!!!!!!!


Marshall

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>> Sounds like you are looping acoustically, which is what I do. How do you
>> handle live situations, in particular how do you avoid signals from
>> feeding back into a loop from a monitor?

>I'm trying other things: I've tried using a single wireless mic that I wear. 
>I've tried noise-gates on my mics.  For any given song, I can adjust the gate 
>threshold for proper operation; however, the next song needs different 
>settings.  Consequently, I don't use noise-gates in performance.  I've thought 
>about building an elaborate system that would "intelligently" listen to the 
>background level and automatically adjust the noise-gate thresholds.  I tried 
>adding switches to the mics (using that Switchcraft XLR  connector with the 
>in-line switch) and it's just another action that gets in the way of making 
>music. For some compositions I pad down (on the mixer) the mics I'm not using. 
>That is, as I construct loops, I unpad the particular mic I'm going to use 
>next.

>I'm not satified with any of my solutions.  What do you do?  Any suggestions?

For acoustic applications, In-Ear-Monitor systems like the ones available from 
Garwood, using earmolds, eliminate any form of ambient monitoring on stage, 
eliminating feedback problems. It's also a way to get a great stereo mix that 
you can truly enjoy, which enhances your performance. 

Electric types often like to leave one earphone out to listen to the ambient mix
and also like to hear some real cabinets for more thump... Experiment and see 
what works for you. Guitarists might find it hard to give up a frothing 4 x 12 
cabinet kicking them in the ass!

I've only dabbled with the concept and don't have the cash ~500 - 1000 depending
on what level of integration (wireless vs. hard wired; generic earmolds vs. 
audiologist custom molds etc.) I've seen them in use by many top pros and know a
few people who use them personally... They say it's changed their life 
musically. (for the better... 8->)

Garwood is at                     http://www.garwood-radio.com/home.shtml
HEARNET is at                     http://www.hearnet.com/
HEARNET monitor resources is at   http://www.hearnet.com/text/inear_monitor.html

Maybe you'll find something in your price range... I'm convinced it's the way to
go... Now to find the cash!

best,
-Miko

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Marzzz@aol.com wrote:

> Who cares what you sound like? I would go see you for your band name
> alone!!!!!!!
>
> Marshall

I think I am the only one who isn't knocked out by the name.  I think I have
been poisong be the existence of a Philly coverband called Love Seed Momma
Jump, or something close thereto.

Please do come to the show.  As always, the first five LD people I see get a
free cheap beer of my choosing!

tdb


--
Would you like fries with that?


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Mike Biffle wrote:

> Guitarists might find it hard to give up a frothing 4 x 12
> cabinet kicking them in the ass!
>

 Hey Miko, i'm one of those guitarists. my group (blatant name drop: we're called
Pseudo Buddha) is trying to run all 8-10 mics/lines direct to the board.
i'm having a problem finding the right tone for the gtr. i run all of my fx thru
the effect loops on my preamp.
    1) i've tried using the xlr out on the preamp itself; this is not usable at
all. tinny & gross,
    2) i've tried using the 1/4" preamp out thru an ADA microcab; it seems that the
last preamp stage is VERY noisy,
    3) right now, i'm using the output from the final effect in my chain & sending
that to the input of the microcab; this is nice & quiet, i get enough signal into
the board, but my top end is kinda thin,
    4) i'm gonna order a cabtone this week to do an A/B test vs the microcab.

i'm open to any & all suggestions!

bobdog



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Mike Biffle wrote:
>> For acoustic applications, In-Ear-Monitor systems like the ones available 
>>from Garwood, using earmolds, eliminate any form of ambient monitoring on 
>>stage, eliminating feedback problems. It's also a way to get a great stereo 
>>mix that you can truly enjoy, which enhances your performance.

>Thanks for the suggestion, Mike!  I saw these in a catalog and have been 
>curious ever since.  Sounds like they're highly recommended.

>As a related topic, I've considered patching my board into a low-wattage FM
>stereo transmitter.  The audience would listen exclusively on Sony Walkman type
>of personal receivers.  Could be alot of fun!  Has anybody tried this?
>- Dennis Leas

There's a transmitter which keeps getting mentioned which I of course always 
forget... But people talk of using Sony earbuds and this transmitter for a low 
budget system. Audience participation could be cool. With a system like this 
maybe you could use the earbuds for mid and high content and hit 'em in the gut 
with a subwoofer...

-m

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Bobdog wrote....
> (we're...) is trying to run all 8-10 mics/lines direct to the board. I'm 
> having a problem finding the right tone for the gtr. i run all of my fx thru
> the effect loops on my preamp.

>    2) i've tried using the 1/4" preamp out thru an ADA microcab; it seems that
> the last preamp stage is VERY noisy,
>    3) right now, i'm using the output from the final effect in my chain &
> sending that to the input of the microcab; this is nice & quiet, i get enough 
> signal into the board, but my top end is kinda thin,
>    4) i'm gonna order a cabtone this week to do an A/B test vs the microcab.

> i'm open to any & all suggestions!

Hey Mister Pseudo-Buddha man...

I've been using HK Redboxes for years and the new Red Box Pro looks like the 
new-improved-gotta-buy-it version... no battery!? ground lift and cab sim bypass
so you can just use it like an ordinary full range direct box... I've always 
been really pleased with them. The batteries lasted forever in the old ones...

I mostly used them with a Pearce G2r amp and before that Marshalls... The Pearce
G2r has the bottom booty and high end, if you're willing to tweak.

I now use the cabinet sims in my Boss GX-700 which are identical (I belive) in 
that dept. to the Roland GP-100... They sound good, but I'm going to do some 
A/B-ing with the HK's... 

I have a friend who swears by his Cabtone, but I don't personally have any 
experience with it. He's a very dark sounding player though and they don't thin 
*his* sound...

BTW: I saw Fripp last night with P4 and he did some of the fattest, greasiest 
sounding solos I've ever heard him do... If that's strictly a GP-100 tone and 
cab sim, I'd better get home and start tweaking! It was great...

The sound system was very 3D and some of Fripps stacked chordal pads moved 
around like clouds in a windy sky... Sometimes it even sounded like they were 
behind me!? Each player was very audible and distinct. Best mix I've heard in a 
long time... (7th Note club in SF).

OB Loop item... The dueling Vortexes are now coming into their own with the 
JamMan feeding one and the Stereo Guitar signal feeding the other! I'm convinced
that it's the most radical-as-well-as-subtle Chorus, flange, panner, phaser, 
delay going... Morph from a subtle flutter or delay in the background right into
madness or anywhere in between!

best,
-m

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In a message dated 11/2/98 4:08:24 PM, psbuddha@texas.net writes:

>blatant name drop: we're called
>Pseudo Buddha

jeez, another great band name!!!!! I am impressed with you people.....


Marshall

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Marzzz@aol.com wrote:
> 
> In a message dated 11/2/98 4:08:24 PM, psbuddha@texas.net writes:
> 
> >blatant name drop: we're called
> >Pseudo Buddha
> 
> jeez, another great band name!!!!! I am impressed with you people.....
> 
> Marshall

all that will change if i mention the name a new melbourne-based
free-improv/noise band -- we're called "fartscape"....

brad

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From: "Hagen Kirk \"Ratfink\"" <addict@avalon.net>
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I just got a Vortex but it didn't have an expression pedal or
footswitches.  Does anyone have reccomendations on what brand models to
get for an expression pedal and for teh dual footswitches

Hagen
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BTW

"You gotta REID..and if it's SHARP...you'll get TORN..!!!!"

really enjoying the new GTR OBLQ

featuring Vernon Reid, David Torn, Elliott Sharp...

it really grows on ya, too. Lotsa dense stuff to slowly get used to.. cool
fractal beats by E#... clouds of analog/digital loop insanity by DT &
Vern....

This is gonna be a classic!!!

thanks guys

andre'

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>> yeah i play in a group of 3 drummers/perc who use live looping and
>> samplers.....

Let us know about gigs/ and recordings  - sounds like fun!

ps - anyone on this list live in the  Mid-Hudson Valley/Poughkeepsie NY 
area? I'm an electro /acoustic percussionist  - lets get together and 
loopgroove... then we can go over to David Torns' house and do 
prostrations on his lawn....maybe he'll let us rake his leaves. :-)

jmw

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Some of my favorite band names (though I've never heard their music):

Freaky Chakra
The Space Negroes
Shirley Temple of Doom
(and of course) JFK's LSD UFO

Sorry to be so off-topic.  Couldn't help myself....


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Been a fan of good old Tangerine Dream, Ozric Tentacles, Gong, and Eat Static
for some time, now!  =)


Lee-ohki.
Vi Viri Venivirsium Vivius Vicci

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	I don't really mean to prolong this thread, but one of my favorite
band names is:

	When People Were Shorter and Lived Near the Water

					-nick

On Tue, 3 Nov 1998, David Myers wrote:

> Some of my favorite band names (though I've never heard their music):
> 
> Freaky Chakra
> The Space Negroes
> Shirley Temple of Doom
> (and of course) JFK's LSD UFO
> 
> Sorry to be so off-topic.  Couldn't help myself....
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 

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I always felt the best band name would be:

"Free Beer Night!"

You'd always have a big crowd.....

kim


>	I don't really mean to prolong this thread, but one of my favorite
>band names is:
>
>	When People Were Shorter and Lived Near the Water
>
>					-nick
>
>On Tue, 3 Nov 1998, David Myers wrote:
>
>> Some of my favorite band names (though I've never heard their music):
>>
>> Freaky Chakra
>> The Space Negroes
>> Shirley Temple of Doom
>> (and of course) JFK's LSD UFO
>>
>> Sorry to be so off-topic.  Couldn't help myself....
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>


______________________________________________________________________
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At 11:08 AM -0800 11/3/98, Kim Flint wrote:
>I always felt the best band name would be:
>
>"Free Beer Night!"
>
>You'd always have a big crowd.....

And surly, too.


Chris


_____________________________________________________
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Oh, what the hell...

Here are some prospective band names that I'm keeping in storage, just in
case...

Cat Sandwich (or Cat Sammitch);
Two-Pronged Thingie (of course there's a story behind this one);
Flaming Squirrel (lifted from one of my favorite comic strips -
Robotman);and
Pork Chop Suit Coat.

Sorry...

> ----------
> From: 	Nick Ring[SMTP:nick@simons-rock.edu]
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> Sent: 	Tuesday, November 03, 1998 11:53 AM
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> 
> 
> 	I don't really mean to prolong this thread, but one of my favorite
> band names is:
> 
> 	When People Were Shorter and Lived Near the Water
> 
> 					-nick
> 
> On Tue, 3 Nov 1998, David Myers wrote:
> 
> > Some of my favorite band names (though I've never heard their music):
> > 
> > Freaky Chakra
> > The Space Negroes
> > Shirley Temple of Doom
> > (and of course) JFK's LSD UFO
> > 
> > Sorry to be so off-topic.  Couldn't help myself....
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 

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>>At 11:08 AM -0800 11/3/98, Kim Flint wrote:
>>I always felt the best band name would be:
>>"Free Beer Night!"
>>You'd always have a big crowd.....

>Chris Muir wrote:
>And surly, too.

Then there's always...

"Public Notice"
"Your Name Here" (an old band of Chris')
"My Mistake" (an old band of mine)
"Special Guest"
"Ficticious Name"

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Miko Biffle                                      "And I am running scared...
mike.biffle@wj.com                             from all the usual distractions!"



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At 1:13 PM -0800 11/3/98, Mike Biffle wrote:
>>>At 11:08 AM -0800 11/3/98, Kim Flint wrote:
>>>I always felt the best band name would be:
>>>"Free Beer Night!"
>>>You'd always have a big crowd.....
>
>>Chris Muir wrote:
>>And surly, too.
>
>Then there's always...
>
>"Public Notice"
>"Your Name Here" (an old band of Chris')
>"My Mistake" (an old band of mine)
>"Special Guest"
>"Ficticious Name"

As long as this is still going, and with Kim's apparent blessing, too,
here's a name that Henry Kaiser and I lifted from Miko:

  "Zen Disaster"

Chris


_____________________________________________________
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There used to be a band that played fraternity parties and such in the
Charlotte, NC area, called "Doug Clark and His Hot Nuts".  It was an Otis
Day & the Knights kind of band, very tight.

Where, you might ask, did the Hot Nuts come in?  After the first break,
which was usually after 10pm, they'd all come out with only furry jock
straps on, and finish the show.  :)

Stephen Goodman  -  It's... The Loop Of The Week!
EarthLight Studios  -  http://www.earthlight.net/Studios

PS - Sherman Block is unqualified for the LOTW because of his political
life, to say nothing of having been in charge of the only other police force
than the old LA Metropolitan Police, and of course Chicago's, to have such
an awful reputation for beating people for non-legal purposes.

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        I was once in a band called "Zoo Types"  We did a gig at a club that
featured mud wrestling women in between sets by the band.  They had a
marquee out front like the old Holiday Inn signs which read
        Female Mud Wrestling Zoo Types
       
While not exactly a band name, and prbably even more off topic than that, I
couldn't resist, after the Free Beer line.

Frank Gerace
Dreamchild

 
At 12:34 PM 11/3/98 -0800, you wrote:
>At 11:08 AM -0800 11/3/98, Kim Flint wrote:
>>I always felt the best band name would be:
>>
>>"Free Beer Night!"
>>
>>You'd always have a big crowd.....
>
>And surly, too.
>
>
>Chris
>
>
>_____________________________________________________
>Chris Muir        |  The Web Comes Alive With Music:
>cbm@headspace.com |  http://www.headspace.com/beatnik
>
>
>

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>As long as this is still going, and with Kim's apparent blessing, too,
>here's a name that Henry Kaiser and I lifted from Miko:

>  "Zen Disaster"

>Chris

Well... Since we're heading into personal band name territory, there's still the
gasping-but-not-dead ensembles of...

"Track C"
"Claypot"
"The Lunar Asylum"
"Methlab 2K" (aka the name of my next house party gig...)
"Fusebox" (just toying with this one..."

-m

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the one i always wanted to use:

madonna secret club date

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Kim Flint [SMTP:kflint@annihilist.com]
> Sent:	Tuesday, November 03, 1998 11:08
> To:	Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
> Subject:	Re: band names
> 
> I always felt the best band name would be:
> 
> "Free Beer Night!"
> 
> You'd always have a big crowd.....
> 
> kim
> 
> 
> >	I don't really mean to prolong this thread, but one of my favorite
> >band names is:
> >
> >	When People Were Shorter and Lived Near the Water
> >
> >					-nick
> >
> >On Tue, 3 Nov 1998, David Myers wrote:
> >
> >> Some of my favorite band names (though I've never heard their music):
> >>
> >> Freaky Chakra
> >> The Space Negroes
> >> Shirley Temple of Doom
> >> (and of course) JFK's LSD UFO
> >>
> >> Sorry to be so off-topic.  Couldn't help myself....
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> 
> 
> ______________________________________________________________________
> Kim Flint                   | Looper's Delight
> kflint@annihilist.com       | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html
> http://www.annihilist.com/  | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com
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Stephen P. Goodman wrote:
>There used to be a band that played fraternity parties and such in the
>Charlotte, NC area, called "Doug Clark and His Hot Nuts".  It was an Otis
>Day & the Knights kind of band, very tight.

OK... we're going to go waaayyyy back to high school. I was fortunate to hang 
out with a revolving cast of musicians all involved in a basement jam scene. 
Whoever could book a gig would grab some of us and call it a band... There was 
one name which was particularly funny but didn't really please many people in 
our school district so we could only use it at the local YMCA...

"Pud and the Four Skins"

-m

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I don't know if it's clever or embarrassing but I've frequently started
bands simply with a name alone. Most have lasted a few years and a
couple albums.

They all involve some form of looping as well!

Current bands on my label:

Sweeping the Noise Floor - A sentence mentioned by a friend once.

Altruistic Suicide - I'm a sociologist so this is an old textbook term.
 
Overdrive Date Master (named for the centerfold in a trucker's magazine
found at a  flea market)

Music For Isolation Tanks - Just sounded/felt good back in 1991. Now
it's my major project.

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I use a 'bespeco' VM 18-L    expression ped.
The footswitches need to be non-latching, you might want to wire
2 single peds to one stereo jack. Almost anything will be better
than the f/s form lexicon, which wasn't very good. 

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I once jammed with a bass player who was in a band called
"Carcass By The Sea".


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Sorry for the mix of several different subjects at once ...

The "Story of our Age" - our age has as many stories as there are people
telling them.  I think any attempt to objectively generalize about society at
large falls short and paradoxically succeeds in saying a lot specifically
about one person (...the one doing the generalizing that is).  Just $.02 from
my corner of the universe...

Speaking of looped/processed percussion, I've been listening to the new Soul
Coughing, "El Oso", lately and there seems to be quite a bit of this happening
on there.  Anyone know exactly what's being done on some of this?  Some sounds
suspiciously like drum machines through a fuzzbox (which is a cool enough
sound), but there's quite a lot of interesting textural/rhythmic stuff on this
that I can't quite place, at least to my ears.

JamMan owners, a question:  I'm using a Ground Control Midi controller with it
which works fine, but it seems a lot to lug around and take up a lot of floor
space when I'm only using it to access a couple functions.  Any one experiment
with using one of those double footswitch Digitech PDS 3500's programmed to
control the loop fade functions, for instance (the only functions I really
regret they didn't stick on the front panel)?  If it works, I see these thing
used for quite cheap ($35-$50) fairly often and it would sure be easy to just
stick that on the floor next to the Tap/Bypass footswitch Lexicon provides for
most of what I need.  Being the Midiot that I am, I'm wondering if some other
curious soul out there has tried it and could help point the way...

Finally, I'm going to be up in Oakland Friday Nov. 13 doing some looping/free
improv on guitar & pipa with tuba player Tom Heasley.  Tom & I also just
recorded a CD with Don Preston (piano & electronics) & Bobby Bradford (cornet)
that has some pretty heavy looping content on my part that Tom is negotiating
release on as we speak.  Anyone interested in more details about the show or
the CD when available please contact me offlist (krosser414@aol.com)

Thanks,

Ken

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  >the one i always wanted to use:
>
>madonna secret club date

      My cousin Jeff would find that appropriate, considering he was her
secret club date once when he lived in Detroit and she was still using her
last name. He is one of the top drummers in the Portland OR area- some of
you may even know him (last name Cumpston) if you live in those parts. 

    These band names are up for grabs:

  The Demo Kings
  Poit
  Ba-Doom
  Num Lock  (can't imagine where I dreamed that one up)

       Kevin   



>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From:	Kim Flint [SMTP:kflint@annihilist.com]
>> Sent:	Tuesday, November 03, 1998 11:08
>> To:	Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
>> Subject:	Re: band names
>> 
>> I always felt the best band name would be:
>> 
>> "Free Beer Night!"
>> 
>> You'd always have a big crowd.....
>> 
>> kim
>> 
>> 
>> >	I don't really mean to prolong this thread, but one of my favorite
>> >band names is:
>> >
>> >	When People Were Shorter and Lived Near the Water
>> >
>> >					-nick
>> >
>> >On Tue, 3 Nov 1998, David Myers wrote:
>> >
>> >> Some of my favorite band names (though I've never heard their music):
>> >>
>> >> Freaky Chakra
>> >> The Space Negroes
>> >> Shirley Temple of Doom
>> >> (and of course) JFK's LSD UFO
>> >>
>> >> Sorry to be so off-topic.  Couldn't help myself....
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> 
>> 
>> ______________________________________________________________________
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help!

i've fallen off the list and can't get back on.

AND i'm in a cash crunch and willing to sell my "stealth klein"

klein electric #111 - black - basswood body - emg pickups - FRETLESS* - s-trem

this guitar is SLEEK.  
this guitar is UNIQUE.
this guitar is BLACK. 
$2,500- obo


*a steinberger (slotted in case you change your mind) neck purchased for alan
holdsworth but never put together for him - apparently he likes to install his
own frets.

if you have the time or money, i'd suggest low wooden frets for a rare
"tastes-like-fretless-but-it's-not" sound.


mike@lightlyexpressed.com
or
designify@aol.com

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I tried to send this and it did not come through so I hope LD is not
beginning to have problems.....but my personal fav was a DC local band
which had some success:

                    Sorry About Your Daughter

Now that's good old rock & roll spirit.

Patrick

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O Gosh,

I hate coming up with band names almost as much as I hate replying to the
question, =93What kind of music do YOU play?=94 Even when I try my best to=
 answer
that one as simply and succinctly as possible people always think you're b=
eing
a smartass. 

So...some of the band names I've used (or been in or associated with) over=
 the
years are:

April Fools
Brain Trust
Ophelia Pancake
Sons of Ophelia Pancake

And a good friend of mine has a band called:

Maha Cuisinart


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                 Delayed Productions & Joe's Movement Emporium


                                Presents:

                   FingerPaint and the Dark Aether Project


Mt. Rainier MD- Joe's Movement Emporium will be hosting an exciting evening
of original music. Two of Maryland's premier groups will be pushing the
envelope in their respective genres.

The performance will take place at Joe's Movement Emporium, 3802 34th St.,
Mt. Rainier, MD 20712, on Saturday November 14th at 8pm. Admission is $10.
For more information 301/699-1819.


FingerPaint is guitarists/synthesists Steev Geest and Patrick Smith. They
use long digital delays to set up textural loops that have been referred to
as "cinematic. Exploring the edges of electronic music and spontaneous
composition, their improvisatory soundscapes have been described as
"sinister and alien" (Philadelphia City Paper.)

 See www.fingerpaint.net for more information.

The Dark Aether Project features Adam Levin (Warr 8 String Touch Style
Guitar/Loops), Yaman Aksu (Fretted and Fretless Guitars/Guitar Synth), and
Brian Griffin (Drums). Their music is a blend of progressive, psychedelic,
and free-form improvisational rock-fusion with elements of non-western
ethnic and loop-based ambient musics thrown in for good measure.

"...jazz-inflected, often minimalistic...foreboding soundscape[s]...
classy...offers mature musicianship without pretentiousness."
-Progression Magazine Volume II Number 26

See http://www.darkaether.net for more info on The Dark Aether Project

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ok ok....here goes....

I always thought that the name "the dry heaves" would be perfect.....
totally lacking in substance, but awful, nonetheless.

I guess you had to be there.

============
Pete Gilbert aka pgilbert@ford.com or PeteGilbert@msn.com

Visit the Michigan Stick Trio Web Pages at:

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for the ultimate band names overkill, check out the third part of Robert Anton 
Wilson's (still very recommendable) Illuminatus trilogy ('Leviathan'). The book 
begins with a report on the Walpurgisnacht rock festival, listing *two pages* 
of hilarious band names, such as The Second Law of Thermodynamics, The 
Ultra-Violet Hippopotamus, The Thing on the Doorstep, The Glue Sniffers, King 
Kong and his Skull Island Dinosaurs, The Noisy Minority ...

*	michael peters		mpeters@csi.com
*	"escape veloopity"	electronic guitar loop music
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Tom Roady is on this list from time to time and is a Zendrum endorser.
Maybe he'll pop up again with some Zenisms ... ?

Rob

Douglas Lawrence schrieb:
> 
> You guys may already know about this, but have you ever checked out a
> Zendrum (http://www.zendrum.com). They seem to have a couple models to span
> several prices ranges.
> 
> I've seen them used live twice, Billy Cobham and Vinx (Jungle Funk). If I
> had extra $$$ right now, I think I would get one just to check it out.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: evening [mailto:evening@ulster.net]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 1998 5:43 AM
> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
> Subject: Re: Starr labs - Z Tar midi controller
> 
> >Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 13:15:52 -0800
> >From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" <jbiz@linkexchange.com>
> 
> >
> >I just bought a mini-Z fro Ztar systems. It's a mid controller set up like
> a
> >touch style instrument. >
> <snip>
> >I don't know if I can recomend them yet (I have yet to see mine) but I have
> >talked to a number of satisified customers. If anyone is interested, I'll
> >dig up the web address. Their site has lots of pretty pictures for the
> >curious.
> 
> I had Harvey Starr build me a handhelp percussion controller about 3
> years ago.
> here's my experience:
> 
> bad -
> 
> I paid $900 up front & waited 15 months before I rec'd anything. It took
> numerous phone calls and during one of them he said "I've received death
> threats from people who've been waiting too long for their Z-Tars." This
> didn't make me very comfortable.
> 
> The Z-Bar was pretty much unplayable from an ergonomic standpoint I sent
> it back & got a refund.
> 
> good -
> 
> His software kick ass - very, very flexible.
> 
> He did send me a demo low-end Z-Tar to play with while I was waiting -
> which a friend eventually bought from him.
> 
> In summary - Harvey is basically a nice guy & his Z-Tar * software are
> excellent but make sure you get a date from him as to when your gear will
> be built or better yet buy what's in stock. - the 30 day return is a nice
> policy.
> 
> jmw




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There's a band in the new jersey area called 

"the swingin johnsons"

I'm quite sure the intended the double-entendre

jmw

Does anyone know what kind of potentiometer works best for a CV pedal? or 
Where I can find a simple schemtatic?

John

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I've always tried to talk my bandmates into "Eargasm"

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We Repeat - a looping ensemble

Y2K - band's only gig will be 12/31/99 - at the moment of 1/1, all
of the band's computer based equipment ceases to function.

Zeuhlhouse Rock:
A concept not yet realized: music from the ABC-TV Saturday morning
educational cartoons re-done and re-worked in true Magma/Zeuhl-style.
Includes chanting in an imaginary language, heavy drums and bass,
and intense instrumental interludes.

Casio Bob and the Target Twisters:
Four men in Devo suits play mic'ed (not direct out) casio Keyboards 
purchased for $90 at Target on clearance in a faux Kraftwerkian
display of 8-bit samples and robotic rhythm machines.

Donald Dork and the Pilots of Purple Twilight:
Faux T-dream with better keyboards, delays, and less talent.

Evil Breakfast:
Seemed like a good idea at the time

Tan Nuns:
Not used, but could be plausible

Sons of Nuns:
A really bad idea

e.e. Coli:
Well, it could happen but few would get the joke (get it? e.e. cummings
meets e.coli)

Aliensporebomb: my current project - just me and various machines and
loopers and guitars.

Cold Cranking Amps:
An actual Minneapolis band - great name

Dumpster Juice:
Another Minneapolis band - they sound like the name

Whoopgnash:
Another Minneapolis band - power fusion

Eight Head:
Local super trio with Dean MacGraw, Marc Anderson (Steve Tibbets has
sat in on occasion), and Jim Anton - sadly now defunct I hear.

Thin Men: 
Cast-off name from a friend's band

The Panel: 
Another cast-off name from a friend's band



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In a message dated 11/3/98 3:08:23 PM Pacific Standard Time,
Mike.Biffle@wj.com writes:

<< OK... we're going to go waaayyyy back to high school. >>

I'll jump into the fray here. I've had the dubious pleasure of being in the
following bands:

 - The Violent Spurtz

 - Add Water and Stir

 - The Phil McCracken All Stars

 - Dick Army

I'm currently in 4 different bands but the best name of them all is Hookwormb.

Dave D

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Figured I might as well sneak in while the floodgates are still open...

Fave band name of all time:

667, Neighbor of the Beast

I think they were a punk band but never actually heard them.

Ken R

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Does anybody know about a band called supporting act
I've seen them on alot of walls everywhere
never seen a record though

Claude

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sorry, i can't relate with this topic. i think band names aren't important
at all, they are just a label you stick on a product, so you can sell it.

for me it's important that the music takes me to other spheres, somewhere
else, that it's got feeling, groove, ... 

                      i think you all know what i mean...

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Once upon a time there was a 'showband' who toured around Ireland in the 70's, playing 'ballrooms'.
They were fronted by 'Big Tom'.  With the large community of Irish descendents in New York they
decided to go on tour there. Posters were put up and come the night of the gig tickets were going
well. Out walks Big Tom onto the stage. Instead of the usual blue rinse bingo folk, he's confronted by
a large amount of long haired hippy types. They look at each other, bemused. 'hello boys and girls'
says Big Tom, counting in the band  for their first number, some old Irish tune or other. 
Their full name, as appeared on the posters ? Big Tom and the Mainliners.
True story.

 ( Big Tom fans in London take note - he still does the odd pub gig in the Finsbury Park area. He's still shite, too.
   




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This is too much fun!  Here's my $0.02 on cool band names...

bands I've been in:
Roadkill (this was a tongue-in-cheek, pick-up, cover band; we wore T shirts with tire 
tread-marks across them)
Mostly Water ("Hi!  We're Mostly Water...and so are you!")

bands names I'd like to see:
The John Galt Band
The Won Ton Funk Band

Coolest band name I've seen:
Mouth Full of Bees

- Dennis Leas
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"Special Guests TBA"
 There is a band which was recording at Ardent studios in Memphis called
"Big-Ass Truck"

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I tried twice to reply to one of those funny Band name messages but my
humor never came back thru the mailing list

there seems to be some gremlins in the machine

A+

Claude

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I just got this.  Too funny not to pass it on..

When John Glenn returns from space, everybody dress in Ape Suits.
Pass it on. ;^)

- Dennis Leas
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At 11:41 AM -0800 11/4/98, Claude Voit wrote:
>I tried twice to reply to one of those funny Band name messages but my
>humor never came back thru the mailing list
>
>there seems to be some gremlins in the machine

Probably the server just couldn't take any more of this inane thread and
took matters into it's own hands. :-)

kim

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Subject: Humor
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OK, this one passes the laugh test, it gets forwarded...
---------- Forwarded message ----------

URGENT!! Please distribute this to everyone (on Earth, that is) you know.

When John Glenn returns from space, everybody dress in ape suits. We have
6 days in which to bury the Statue of Liberty up to her head. 



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At 02:40 PM 11/4/98 -0500, you wrote:
>OK, this one passes the laugh test, it gets forwarded...

ha, ha. ok my usual bad temperment has returned. Please, no matter how
amusing you think something like this is, don't forward it to an entire
mailing list! Pretty much everyone with an email account has already seen
it, we don't need to see it again. People join mailing lists for a specific
topic, let's try to respect that.

Here is a link to the "discussion groups" section on one of the more
definitive guides to netiquette. Now might be a good time to re-read it:

http://www.fau.edu/netiquette/net/dis.html

And before you reply with the predictable "but I thought it was funny,"
please consider this quote from the above noted guide:

"When someone posts an off-subject note, and someone else criticizes that
posting, you should NOT submit a gratuitous note saying 'well, I liked it
and lots of people probably did as well and you guys ought to lighten up and
not tell us to stick to the subject'." 

thanks,
kim
________________________________________________________
Kim Flint, MTS		       408-752-9284
Chromatic Research	       kflint@chromatic.com
http://www.chromatic.com

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According to my copy of the Digital Delay Handbook by Craig Anderton it is a
100k
 linear taper potentiometer. I have gotten them at Radio Shack.

Here in Atlanta we have a band called The Swinging Richards. Also one called
Pale White Sausage.

jeff
evening wrote:

> There's a band in the new jersey area called
>
> "the swingin johnsons"
>
> I'm quite sure the intended the double-entendre
>
> jmw
>
> Does anyone know what kind of potentiometer works best for a CV pedal? or
> Where I can find a simple schemtatic?
>
> John

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Better bring along plenty of chicken wire!

-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Muir [mailto:cbm@well.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 1998 3:35 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
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At 11:08 AM -0800 11/3/98, Kim Flint wrote:
>I always felt the best band name would be:
>
>"Free Beer Night!"
>
>You'd always have a big crowd.....

And surly, too.


Chris


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How about "Kellogs and the Corn Flakes"...



sorry
ciao


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Some of my favorite band names:
Wazmo Nariz
Joe Cuba and the Tokyo Negroes


Edwin

Edwin Hurwitz
Boulder CO
http://www.indra.com/~edwin


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Well, THIS one came back to me from a source who tends to be ahead of the
rest, helping to avoid the objection quotient:

Q: How many Internet mailing list subscribers does it take to change a light
bulb?

A: 1,331:

1 to change the light bulb and to post to the mailing list that the light
bulb has been changed

14 to share similar experiences of changing light bulbs and how the light
bulb could have been changed differently.

7 to caution about the dangers of changing light bulbs.

27 to point out spelling/grammar errors in posts about changing light bulbs.

53 to flame the spell checkers

156 to write to the list administrator complaining about the light bulb
discussion and its inappropriateness to this mail list.

41 to correct spelling in the spelling/grammar flames.

109 to post that this list is not about light bulbs and to please take this
e mail exchange to alt.lite.bulb

203 to demand that cross posting to alt.grammar, alt.spelling and
alt.punctuation about changing light bulbs be stopped.

111 to defend the posting to this list saying that we are all use light
bulbs and therefore the posts **are** relevant to this mail list.

306 to debate which method of changing light bulbs is superior, where to buy
the best light bulbs, what brand of light bulbs work best for this
technique, and what brands
are faulty.

27 to post URLs where one can see examples of different light bulbs

14 to post that the URLs were posted incorrectly, and to post corrected
URLs.

3 to post about links they found from the URLs that are relevant to this
list which makes light bulbs relevant to this list.

33 to quote all posts to date, including all headers and footers, and then
add "Me Too."

12 to post to the list that they are unsubscribing because they cannot
handle the light bulb controversy.

19 to quote the "Me Too's" to say, "Me Three."

4 to suggest that posters request the light bulb FAQ.

1 to propose new alt.change.lite.bulb newsgroup.

47 to say this is just what alt.physic.cold_fusion was meant for, leave it
here.

143 votes for alt.lite.bulb.


Stephen Goodman  -  It's... The Loop Of The Week!
EarthLight Studios  -  http://www.earthlight.net/Studios

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Greetings fellow Earthlings,

I was planning on joining the EDP "group buy" extravaganza, but located a
used EDP with a full complement of memory and footcontroller for a better
price.

I just got the EDP yesterday, but the 4X4meg simms were not yet loaded. I
swapped in the 4 meg simms but when I powered up, instead of seeing "198"
for loop time, I saw "66.1". I reseated the simms, but still"66.1". Hmmm,
shouldn't this be "198". I'm a bit confused...

The memory is something generic that the previous owner bought from PC Zone
and didn't install. According to his research, these should be fine.

Any suggestions?

Looking forward to moving on from JamMan-ing to EDPdom, Rico

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At 10:35 PM 11/4/98 -0800, Rik Myers wrote:
>Greetings fellow Earthlings,
>
>I was planning on joining the EDP "group buy" extravaganza, but located a
>used EDP with a full complement of memory and footcontroller for a better
>price.
>
>I just got the EDP yesterday, but the 4X4meg simms were not yet loaded. I
>swapped in the 4 meg simms but when I powered up, instead of seeing "198"
>for loop time, I saw "66.1". I reseated the simms, but still"66.1". Hmmm,
>shouldn't this be "198". I'm a bit confused...
>

sounds to me like you've got the MoreLoops parameter set to 3. This divides
the memory among 3 loops (or whatever its set to), so when you power up the
display shows the time available in Loop 1. (198/3=66)

Either go to the MoreLoops parameter and set it back to 1, or maybe just
reset all the parameters to start completely fresh. Do that by holding the
parameter button at power up, and keep holding it until the echoplex gets
through with its bootup sequence.

kim
________________________________________________________
Kim Flint, MTS		       408-752-9284
Chromatic Research	       kflint@chromatic.com
http://www.chromatic.com

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Hi, folks:

The latest Artist Shop newsletter is out and you'll find it in its entirety
at <http://www.artist-shop.com/news.htm>.  Here's a little snippet that may
be of interest to loopers.

Fans of Gongzilla and Boz Lozaga will be interested in the following dates
that appear on our LoLo Records page at <http://www.artist-shop.com/lolorec>:

Bon Lozaga/Vic Stevens shows

Guitarist Bon Lozaga (Gongzilla) along with percussionist Glen Leonard will
be performing at the following shows.  These are "Sonic Abandon" shows with
electric and acoustic guitars, loops, strangeness, etc.

Fri. Nov. 6 
Steel City
Bridge & Main St., Phoenixville, PA
610-933-0709 Showtime 9 PM

Sat. Nov. 14 
Knitting Factory
74 Leonard St., New York, N.Y.
212-219-3006 Showtime 9PM
Drummer Vic Stevens will also be performing with his project called
Threshold.  This trio feature Kermit Driscoll on bass and Alex Domshcott on
guitar.

Gary

**************************************************************
                          Gary Davis
The Artist Shop                              The Other Road
http://www.artist-shop.com          artshop@artist-shop.com
phone: 330-929-2056			   fax:330-945-4923
              SUPPORT THE INDEPENDENT ARTIST!!!
**************************************************************
       Check out the latest Artist Shop newsletter at
            http://www.artist-shop.com/news.htm

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well, this is sort of old, sorry....(some of the rest of you can answer
these things once in a while!)

At 2:44 PM -0800 10/31/98, Neil Goldstein wrote:
>I am planning to get an EDP in the near future. What are the relative pros
>and cons of controlling it via a midi foot pedal vs. the dedicated floor
>unit?

I actually use both at the same time, although you can do everything with a
decent midi pedal. One thing I do find though, is I like having a pedal
just dedicated to the echoplex functions. Then I don't have to go back and
forth with bank switching a lot to deal with effects control and the loop
control at the same time. So I'll often use the OB pedal for that, while
leaving the midi pedal for effects control. Or I'll have the OB pedal for
function control and the midi pedal for loop triggering, and bank switches
on the midi pedal are just between loop triggering and effects control. One
pedal for each thing is ok for me though, since I don't use any others. I
do use the midi pedal by itself more and more, and that does work fine.

However, if you have no other use for midi control, save yourself a lot of
pedal programming hassle and get the OB pedal. It's very simple and obvious
to use, just plug it in and it works.


>If the midi pedal does the same job, I would prefer to get one of
>these for other purposes as well. There was some discussion months back
>about what pedals are recommended but lost the info. What models are
>recommended? Is midi timing as tight as the dedicated pedal buttons?

Personally, I use a Digitech PMC-10, which I think is one of the best midi
pedals ever. Check out this page for more info on it:

http://members.aol.com/jefman13/articles/pmc.html

They are not in production anymore, sadly. I got mine used for $100, which
was a great deal. The pedal does just about everything. Other good choices
are the Rocktron AllAccess, which seems to be a great pedal but is a little
expensive or the Roland FC-200(?), which is good except for the lame
display. Check out the Echoplex footpedal tutorial for more details on what
kind of midi pedal to get:

http://www.annihilist.com/loop/tools/echoplex/echopedals.html

kim

______________________________________________________________________
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I have changed the light bulb.

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Our group name, while playing around No. Calif. was: 
"Gallo and the Puking Teens"   since no one in the band was under 35 we
changed it to "Smiling Vulvas"

Bob

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Damn, I wish I could be there for this...
---------- Forwarded message ----------

Hi Proggies.

There's a small Progressive Festival in South/Middle Germany.
It's called

	MONSTERS OF PROG (Caution: Irony)

and it takes place on Saturday, 21st of November, at 19:00 in
Flonheim, which lies between Mainz (near Frankfurt) and Alzey.
Entry fee: 15,- DM

Bands playing:

Brightness Falls .........Music between Violence and Apathy...........
Guitar Bizarre ...........Soundscapes with two Guitars.............
Centrozoon.............Ambient Music withTeeth................

Never heard before ???? Never mind: Come anyway !!!
It will be worth it!

This is Progressive Music that doesn't follow the Path of Genesis and
Marillion, but goes different ways. Brightness Falls plays the more
rough side of Prog, inspired by King Crimson, Magma, Peter Hammill and
many more. Guitar Bizarre features Kuno Wagner, excellent player of
the Warr-Guitar, and (not sure yet) guitarist, drummer and drummer.
Centrozoon is Markus Reuter's Project. Markus plays brilliant Warr
Guitar in the Europa String Choir, a Group that emerged from Robert
Fripp's Guitar Craft. Their first CD was co-produced by Fripp, and is
available on the Discipline Label. Centrozoon features Markus on Warr
Guitar and a groove programmer. 

Interested?

Have a look: www.itd.utech.de/~weyhing/prog/monsters.htm
or mail me: woyng@bigfoot.com

Cheers,
Gerd
=:-#




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To:             FNGP Records
                Patrick Smith
                FingerPaint

From:           Jean-Francois Fecteau
                radio show Le Vestibule


Mister Smith,

I would like to sincerely thank you for having sent me the album "Primary
Colors: Blue" from your band FingerPaint.  On this magnificent album you
were able to create impressive soundscapes, and each track establishes a
particular atmosphere and mood, wrapping the mind with multi-textured
sounds and effects and letting a flow of images come out of this musical
journey, like if every piece was telling a different story, and expressing
its own emotions.  I was really amaze by your work, and I can clearly state
that FingerPaint has found a niche among the best ambient artists.  You can
be assured that I will include your band on the playlists of my radio show
Le Vestibule, know that next week I will be sending you like every month my
playlists.  Once again thank you so very much for your precious
collaboration, it means alot to me.  So until I will hear from you again,
please take care.  Best regards.

Jean-Francois Fecteau
Le Vestibule
565 Lacerte
Trois-Rivieres-Ouest
Quebec, Canada
G9A 3C1

E-Mail: isabelle_gelinas1@uqtr.uquebec.ca

Now Available:
                      FingerPaint Primary Colors: BLUE

            "can be edgy and intense as well as relaxing...." FAQT

Shockwave audio featuring our newest release Primary Colors:Blue

                            www.fingerpaint.net  


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Name your band "supporting act" and enjoy the publicity 

Claude

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I saw this on a ng and thought some of you might wanna scarf it up.

Patrick

> From: Reidman@STOPSPAMearthlink.net
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> Subject: FS: - Lexicon Vortex, Perfect condition - Awesome effe...
> Date: 5 Nov 98 16:39:57 GMT
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> - Lexicon Vortex, Perfect condition - Awesome effects!
> 
> Price: $150.00 OBO
> Phone: (818) 841-6659
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> Location: Altadena, CA 91001
> 
> 
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> --> Posted for FREE at the request of the advertiser.
> --> By: THE RECYCLER CLASSIFIEDS - http://www.recycler.com (c)

-- 
Now available Primary Colors: BLUE

"...Can be as edgy and intense as it can be relaxing..." FAQT 

             Fingerpaint Web Site: www.fingerpaint.net

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 BTW-PMC 10 with( keypad programmer) good condition $150 -- Music Warehouse
-Louisville Ky 502-456 -4730




>well, this is sort of old, sorry....(some of
>Personally, I use a Digitech PMC-10, which I think is one of the best midi
>pedals ever. Check out this page for more info on it:
>
>http://members.aol.com/jefman13/articles/pmc.html
>
>They are not in production anymore, sadly. I got mine used for $100, which
>was a great deal. The pedal does just about everything. Other good choices
>are the Rocktron AllAccess, which seems to be a great pedal but is a little
>expensive or the Roland FC-200(?), which is good except for the lame
>display. Check out the Echoplex footpedal tutorial for more details on what
>kind of midi pedal to get:
>
>http://www.annihilist.com/loop/tools/echoplex/echopedals.html
>
>kim
>
>______________________________________________________________________
>Kim Flint                   | Looper's Delight
>kflint@annihilist.com       | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html
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___________________________________________________


 BTW-PMC 10 with( keypad programmer) good condition $150 -- Music Warehouse
-Louisville Ky 502-456 -4730




>well, this is sort of old, sorry....(some of
>Personally, I use a Digitech PMC-10, which I think is one of the best midi
>pedals ever. Check out this page for more info on it:
>
>http://members.aol.com/jefman13/articles/pmc.html
>
>They are not in production anymore, sadly. I got mine used for $100, which
>was a great deal. The pedal does just about everything. Other good choices
>are the Rocktron AllAccess, which seems to be a great pedal but is a
little
>expensive or the Roland FC-200(?), which is good except for the lame
>display. Check out the Echoplex footpedal tutorial for more details on
what
>kind of midi pedal to get:
>
>http://www.annihilist.com/loop/tools/echoplex/echopedals.html
>
>kim
>
>______________________________________________________________________
>Kim Flint                   | Looper's Delight
>kflint@annihilist.com       | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html
>http://www.annihilist.com/  | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com


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hello all,
my band electric bird noise (cinematic loop and layered instrumental rock) has
just released our debut cd. 
it's available now though artfag recordings. there's some sound samples posted
as well as a link to our home page. 
please check it out

http://members.aol.com/artfag1/index.html

let us know what you think?
brian
electric bird noise

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Patrick Smith posted:

>Mister Smith,
>
>I would like to sincerely thank you for having sent me the album "Primary
>Colors: Blue" from your band FingerPaint.  On this magnificent album you
>were able to create impressive soundscapes <snip, blah blah>

     I humbly request a moritorium on the continuing posting of
advertisments/"reviews" 
of your "Primary Colors" product.   Lots of people on this list also have
recordings 
available, and it doesn't seem fair to those who *don't* insist on trading
the goodwill 
of fellow listmembers with seemingly endless advertisements for recordings
and/or gigs.
A mention in a sig file seems sufficient.  Posting "reviews" of your product by 
"important publications" is just plain tacky at best and makes one wonder why
such a hard sell is necessary.


P.S.--  Does  Jean-Francois Fecteau know you posted his personal correspondence
on a public list?

P.P.S. Sorry, this was meant to be a private post. 

   Putting on ape suit,
     Steve

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Seconded.

-Jesse


>     I humbly request a moritorium on the continuing posting of
>advertisments/"reviews"
>of your "Primary Colors" product.   Lots of people on this list also have
>recordings
>available, and it doesn't seem fair to those who *don't* insist on trading
>the goodwill
>of fellow listmembers with seemingly endless advertisements for recordings
>and/or gigs.
>A mention in a sig file seems sufficient.  Posting "reviews" of your
product by
>"important publications" is just plain tacky at best and makes one wonder
why
>such a hard sell is necessary.
>
>
>P.S.--  Does  Jean-Francois Fecteau know you posted his personal
correspondence
>on a public list?
>
>P.P.S. Sorry, this was meant to be a private post.
>
>   Putting on ape suit,
>     Steve
>
>

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i really like getting and reading music equipment catalogs. a nice one is from
Full Compass, lots-o-stuff.........www.fullcompass.com........sorry, no band
would have me..................michael

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Subject:  CD Releases by List Members

Just wanted to take a time out to comment on my impressions of two
excellent recent releases by list members -- Fingerpaint's Primary
Colors:Blue and Michael Peter's 'Escape Veloopity'.

Even though Fingerpaint members Patrick Smith and Steev Geest are
guitarists, Primary Colors: Blue isn't a 'guitar album', in the traditional
sense.  The emphasis here is on sonics and texture -- Fingerpaint shows off
a rich, varied sonic palette over a broad range of style and texture,
ranging from smooth and relaxing to angular and dark.

*Rain*, the opening cut on the CD, is the strongest piece on the disk, and
features heavily overdriven guitar nestled in a collage of dark and unusual
sounds.  *Blue Sky Darkening* is another strong cut, and my personal favorite.

I had a chance to see a Fingerpaint show a month or so back, on a triple
bill with Dark Aether Project and Tony Geballe.  Patrick and Steev are
sensitive, aware improvisers who make subtle and imaginative use of their
electronically augmented guitars.  They'll be appearing again with Dark
Aether Project later this month near DC.  Check out
http://www.fingerpaint.net for details -- the CD is available here, too, as
well as through Wayside/Cuneiform.

Michael Peters' 'Escape Veloopity' *is* a guitar album -- a very good
guitar album -- featuring interesting loops combined with acoustic picking,
and a full complement of lead work on electric.  

According to the liner notes, 'Escape Veloopity' is a collection of
sketches, rather than finished compositions, and was largely recorded live,
without overdubs.  The highpoint of the CD for me is the clean
electric/acoustic guitar work on track 9, called *Ambleside, April 28, 1993*.

Michael's CD can be ordered from Eurock, or directly from his web site at
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Mpeters.  


--rob

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Hi folks, I posted this a few daze ago and never saw it fly.The again, I
haven't seen anything "Loopy" in the last few daze....hmmm Hello! Is there
anybody out there?

OK, so I recently bought an EDP that was posted in these very pages. It
came with 4, 4 meg simms. I installed the simms, but instead of seeing
"198" for Looptime, I saw "66.1". Sure enough, it looks like I have a
little over a minute of record time. I pulled the mmemory and reinseted
it..same result. The previous owner said it was unused memory.

Any clues?

Hasta ,Rik

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     Kim posted a reply regarding something like NumLoop. Check to see that 
     it's not set for 3 (which would subdivide your 198 down to 66 secs.
     
     best,
     Miko EDP-illiterate B.


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Subject: EDP memory problem
Author:  Rik Myers <zanga@mindspring.com> at INTERNET
Date:    11/6/98 7:34 PM


Hi folks, I posted this a few daze ago and never saw it fly.The again, I
haven't seen anything "Loopy" in the last few daze....hmmm Hello! Is there
anybody out there?

OK, so I recently bought an EDP that was posted in these very pages. It
came with 4, 4 meg simms. I installed the simms, but instead of seeing
"198" for Looptime, I saw "66.1". Sure enough, it looks like I have a
little over a minute of record time. I pulled the mmemory and reinseted
it..same result. The previous owner said it was unused memory.

Any clues?

Hasta ,Rik

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Rik,
Kim replied to your original message.  Here it is:

At 10:35 PM 11/4/98 -0800, Rik Myers wrote:
>Greetings fellow Earthlings,
>
>I was planning on joining the EDP "group buy" extravaganza, but located a
>used EDP with a full complement of memory and footcontroller for a better
>price.
>
>I just got the EDP yesterday, but the 4X4meg simms were not yet loaded. I
>swapped in the 4 meg simms but when I powered up, instead of seeing "198"
>for loop time, I saw "66.1". I reseated the simms, but still"66.1". Hmmm,
>shouldn't this be "198". I'm a bit confused...
>

sounds to me like you've got the MoreLoops parameter set to 3. This divides
the memory among 3 loops (or whatever its set to), so when you power up the
display shows the time available in Loop 1. (198/3=66)

Either go to the MoreLoops parameter and set it back to 1, or maybe just
reset all the parameters to start completely fresh. Do that by holding the
parameter button at power up, and keep holding it until the echoplex gets
through with its bootup sequence.

kim

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At 07:23 PM 11/6/98 -0800, Rik Myers wrote:
>Hi folks, I posted this a few daze ago and never saw it fly.The again, I
>haven't seen anything "Loopy" in the last few daze....hmmm Hello! Is there
>anybody out there?
>
>OK, so I recently bought an EDP that was posted in these very pages. It
>came with 4, 4 meg simms. I installed the simms, but instead of seeing
>"198" for Looptime, I saw "66.1". Sure enough, it looks like I have a
>little over a minute of record time. I pulled the mmemory and reinseted
>it..same result. The previous owner said it was unused memory.
>
your mail did show up here - maybe your mailer is bouncing looper's delight,
so i'm mailing this directly to you, and cc'ing the list.

kim replied with the obvious answer that your memory for one loop
is your total memory divided by your currently-set number-of-loops.  
so you probably have MoreLoops set to 3.  (when you power up, you only
see the amount of time for the 1st loop.  when you hit next loop, you
get another 66 seconds, etc).

hopefully the obvious is indeed your answer, otherwise you might be 
having more fundamental problems (like a bad simm or something).

-john

......................................................
john s cooper                     opcode systems, inc
http://www.planetz.com          http://www.opcode.com

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being a solo guitar live looper kinda dude, i am constantly being asked

"so, uh, what kinda music do you play?"

anybody got a good, brief descriptionof live looping??

m

 M   a   r    k         C   h  r   i   s   t   e   n   s   e   n
 Cramped  Quarters  Studio / Jasperpottamus  Music
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The Dark Aether Project is:

Adam Levin:    Warr 8 String Touch Guitar/Loops
Yaman Aksu:    Fretted and Fretless Guitars/Guitar Synth
Brian Griffin: Drums

...and assorted special guests

"...jazz-inflected, often minimalistic...foreboding soundscape[s]...
classy...offers mature musicianship without pretentiousness." 
- John Collinge, Progression Magazine

"...intense and blistering lead work...amazing loops and shimmering
textures that are at once haunting and dreamlike...worthy of attention."
- Peter Thelen, Expose

11/7  - TapTech II Seminar/Concert
        Orion Studios - 2903 Whittington Ave. Baltimore, MD (410)646-7334
        with Frank Jolliffe, Three Hour Detour, William Bajzek, Squash,
        and more. See http://www.darkaether.net/tt2.html
        for more details on the concert and weekend seminar.

11/14 - World Arts Focus/Joe's Movement Emporium 
        3802 34th Street Washington DC (Mt Rainier) (301)699-1819
        with Fingerpaint (featuring Patrick Smith & Steev Geest)

12/5  - Phantasmagoria - 11319 Elkin St. Wheaton MD (301)949-8886
        with Discipline

After these gigs we'll finish writing the remainder of the new album and
get down to recording it in January.

As always, you can visit The Dark Aether Project Web Site at
http://www.darkaether.net/ for directions to the venues, news updates,
soundbites from the debut CD and more.

-Adam

---
       "...if one strives at hearing for the sake of constant virtue,
       out of seeking liberation from cyclic existence, gradually one 
                           becomes a Hearer."
                           - Chandrakirti

              T h e   D a r k   A e t h e r   P r o j e c t
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Thanks for the tip. I ordered it from them this morning.

Neil Goldstein
Portland, Oregon USA

----------
>From: klaw@pop.iglou.com
>To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
>Subject: Re: Midi footswitch for Echoplex
>Date: Thu, Nov 5, 1998, 6:17 PM
>

>
>___________________________________________________
>
>
> BTW-PMC 10 with( keypad programmer) good condition $150 -- Music Warehouse
>-Louisville Ky 502-456 -4730
>
>
>

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 While doing 2 shows today outside in the Florida sun, I noticed that the
EDP's LEDs (hehe) are completely unreadable in sunlight. I have heard of
'non glare' LEDs, but haven't seen them. I didn't realize how much I depend
on that display- anyone have any tips on how to read it when in the sun? I
have my EDP in a 6 space SKB rack which is full with other gear. It sits on
a small stand lower than my chair, so making a 'shield' to block out the sun
would effectively block my view of the rack.

Thanks!
Dave Eichenberger
*********************************************************************
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has anyone checked out the new Lexicon MPX G2? For how much is it being sold in 
the US? (It'll be at least 25% more expensive here in Germany.)

I was told that this box was designed together with David Torn. Is this true ?


*	michael peters		mpeters@csi.com
*	"escape veloopity"	electronic guitar loop music
*	http://listen.to/michaelpeters




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> being a solo guitar live looper kinda dude, i am constantly being asked
> 
> "so, uh, what kinda music do you play?"
> 
> anybody got a good, brief descriptionof live looping??
> 

I usually describe my music as
techno-trash-blues with a bit of a gamalan feel.
I guess tree-hugging-hippie-shit would be just as good.

Jim Carter

ps - anyone using two echoplexes (echoplicis?) to layer asynchronous
loops, rather than single loop in stereo? Something like Phillip Glass
Music in Twelve Parts were repetative sequences move slowly move
out of phase the generate new counterpoints.

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around the house i've been putting my boomerang in parallel with my
echoplex lately, but i haven't gigged w/this setup yet.
i tend to loop more ambient sounds than rhythmic figures, so the
out-of-phaseness tends to suggest (rip-off?) steve roach more than phil
glass.

bobdog

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>From the most recent Sweetwater "InSync" online newsletter:
<<New in stock at Sweetwater Sound: The ultimate new DJ tool, the Sony MDSDRE1
has arrived. It's a MiniDisc-based platform with sampling trigger banks and
all sorts of instant looping and scratching features, including the
obligatory big rubber scratch wheel. Speed and pitch can be adjusted
independent of one another or together via a very simple dual slider
mechanism. The neat thing is that with their ATRAC compression technology
it's easy to record any performance you do right back to a MiniDisc and have
it ready to play instantly - all in real time. An experienced DJ could
really work some magic with this thing. Retail price $1200.>>
So, I wonder if it can be controlled with a foot switch?
dpc

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Guess I missed this at the time...there's a picture and press release here
(Harmony Central's Summer NAMM news):

http://207.126.101.156/Newp/SNAMM98/Sony/MDS-DRE1.html

(...footswitches seem unlikely!)
dpc

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Roland has a DJ sampler too. In fact there are several of these things on
the market by Alesis, Yamaha and others.

Does anyone on the list have any comments about using these things and how
they compare to delay devices like the EDP for looping?


At 02:11 AM 11/8/98 EST, you wrote:
>From the most recent Sweetwater "InSync" online newsletter:
><<New in stock at Sweetwater Sound: The ultimate new DJ tool, the Sony
MDSDRE1
>has arrived. It's a MiniDisc-based platform with sampling trigger banks and
>all sorts of instant looping and scratching features, including the
>obligatory big rubber scratch wheel. Speed and pitch can be adjusted
>independent of one another or together via a very simple dual slider
>mechanism. The neat thing is that with their ATRAC compression technology
>it's easy to record any performance you do right back to a MiniDisc and have
>it ready to play instantly - all in real time. An experienced DJ could
>really work some magic with this thing. Retail price $1200.>>
>So, I wonder if it can be controlled with a foot switch?
>dpc
>
>
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I'm waiting for an echoplex from Bananas...
... what I did with mouse I'll do live.


Salvatore ;-)



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I'm just coming home from this first solo gig with a boomerang AND an EDP=

and boy I had some fun. Both units complement each other quite nicely: th=
e
Rang, although a little noisy, is really straightforward in the thick of
improvisation, gives instant reversing and esp. pitched (8va/8vb) loop
sounds that can be used attracively to contrast the more architectural (?=
,
sorry) stuff the EDP can do (with Undo, Multiple, Multiple loops etc.).

Too bad I really goofed two times with the EDP, maybe cause I wore quite
big shoes on stage and the buttons on that footcontroller are quite small=
 &
close together. Will have to work on that (hope I don't have to get point=
ed
Tennesean cowboy boots...). On top of that I sometimes forgot the setting=

of the feedback level - I remember Matthias recommends using an extra ped=
al
but well I hate to much stuff on the floor.

BTW, I use a TECH 21 MIDI MOUSE to switch the channels on my preamp/fx
stuff because it is nice & SMALL (just 3 switches: up, down & 'search'),
but for quieter gigs the switches are a drag (to loud!). Does anybody kno=
w
a unit that is as compact but with quieter switching? Hints are
appreciated.

Best, Andreas



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At 10:55 AM -0800 11/8/98, Andreas Willers wrote:

>Too bad I really goofed two times with the EDP, maybe cause I wore quite
>big shoes on stage and the buttons on that footcontroller are quite small &
>close together. Will have to work on that (hope I don't have to get pointed
>Tennesean cowboy boots...).

remember, the Undo function on the Echoplex can also undo a mistaken button
press (in addition to undoing overdubs). So if you have a great loop going,
and you accidently press Record instead of Overdub, don't panic. Tap Undo
and the wrong function will be stopped. You will be back where you were
before. Well, actually you will be back where you would have been if you
hadn't screwed up. The echoplex keeps track of the time passed and puts you
back in the right spot, so things stay sync'd up. It works with other
functions as well, but record is usually the worst mistake. :-)  It is
somewhat dependant on memory, as there has to be enough to keep a copy of
the old loop while you are mistakenly recording a new one. Usually though,
you know you screwed this up right away, and you can Undo it long before
your old loop starts getting erased.

kim

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Kim,
        Thanks for the reminder on this (below - undo function).  I'm now
regularly using the EDP during weekly gigs and am very pleased with even my
basic use to solo over chord changes.   Btw, I'm having trouble learning to
record different loops on the fly, then switch them during performance (Ex.
Take Five - chorus then a bridge).  I'll look the switch-quant function
discussion up again and get back in touch if I still can't figure it out.
Thanks again...
        Grover


>remember, the Undo function on the Echoplex can also undo a mistaken button
>press (in addition to undoing overdubs). So if you have a great loop going,
>and you accidently press Record instead of Overdub, don't panic. Tap Undo
>and the wrong function will be stopped. You will be back where you were
>before. Well, actually you will be back where you would have been if you
>hadn't screwed up. 

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In a message dated 11/07/1998 3:54:52 AM, mpeters@csi.com writes:

>I was told that this box was designed together with David Torn. Is this
>true ?

*not* true:
while my opinions/comments on the g2 were requested by lexicon, that didn't
occur until a mid-to-late 'beta' stage (! unfortunately for me !; oh, to be
invited 'in' at the 'alpha' stage.....).
g2's looping capabilities are present: rudimentary at best, but:
ifyer into programming, this box can *feel/respond* unusually well as a
guitar-processor:
nice cross-mod possibilities, & very rich filters.
best & briefly,
dt

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hey all,

i picked of these up over the weekend.  a local guy was unloading it 
rather cheaply.  i thought some of the reverbs were really good, and i 
noticed that the delays had time-stretching capabilities (yay!), which 
can be controlled by cc's or an internal lfo!

one of the effects is a "looper."  however, i'm having trouble getting 
it to work as one.  i've read the manual cover to cover (yes, i really 
did rtfm) and there's very little info on how the looper works.

it looks like it could be really cool, as the time stretch parameter can 
vary from +1600% to -1600%, where negative values indicate backwards 
playback.

so, does anyone have any experience with this little guy?  can anyone 
offer a hand?  i haven't been able to fine much info on the dp/pro 
beyond what was on harmony-central's review database.

thanks,
matt



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Andreas Willers wrote:
> 
> I'm just coming home from this first solo gig with a boomerang AND an EDP
> and boy I had some fun. 

Congratulations!  Sound like it when really well.

> Too bad I really goofed two times with the EDP, maybe cause I wore quite
> big shoes on stage and the buttons on that footcontroller are quite small &
> close together. Will have to work on that (hope I don't have to get pointed
> Tennesean cowboy boots...).

I take off my shoes when I loop.  Recently, I played outside at a amphitheatre and let 
me tell ya' my feet got COLD!  Fall evenings in Indiana...  then it started to 
drizzle...  But the loop goes on.

BTW, have you heard the looper version of "100 Bottles of Beer on the Wall"?

first verse:
100 bottles of beer on the wall,
100 bottles of beer.
Take one down and pass it around,
100 bottle of beer on the wall.

second verse:
100 bottles of beer on the wall,
100 bottles of beer.
Take one down and pass it around,
100 bottle of beer on the wall.

etc, ad nausem.

This arrangement usually include audience participation, typically in the form of 
gunshots.  :)

- Dennis Leas
-- 
dennis@mdbs.com

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I helped ensoniq develop many of the algorhythms for the DP/Pro, mostly the
compressors and the de-esser. The 'loop recorder' is not particularly
happening, since the unit has only 1.4 seconds of delay. You can assign a
footswitch to toggle the delay hold on and off. It is fun to use the speed
parameter to replay everything backwards, one octave down. Very surprising
stuff.

-Chuck Zwicky

 
At 05:40 AM 11/9/98 PST, you wrote:
>hey all,
>
>i picked of these up over the weekend.  a local guy was unloading it 
>rather cheaply.  i thought some of the reverbs were really good, and i 
>noticed that the delays had time-stretching capabilities (yay!), which 
>can be controlled by cc's or an internal lfo!
>
>one of the effects is a "looper."  however, i'm having trouble getting 
>it to work as one.  i've read the manual cover to cover (yes, i really 
>did rtfm) and there's very little info on how the looper works.
>
>it looks like it could be really cool, as the time stretch parameter can 
>vary from +1600% to -1600%, where negative values indicate backwards 
>playback.
>
>so, does anyone have any experience with this little guy?  can anyone 
>offer a hand?  i haven't been able to fine much info on the dp/pro 
>beyond what was on harmony-central's review database.
>
>thanks,
>matt
>
>
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hi all,  i also create most of my music with this method, but with two
jamdudes,in stereo, at this point in time.. my loops tend to be more of the
ambient type so the movement of sound is not as upfront. plan to add a couple
of echothingies in the near future. 198 sec asynchronous loops.. yeah. 

take care
joe

At 12:18 PM 11/7/98 +0000, you wrote:
>Jim Carter
>
>ps - anyone using two echoplexes (echoplicis?) to layer asynchronous
>loops, rather than single loop in stereo? Something like Phillip Glass
>Music in Twelve Parts were repetative sequences move slowly move
>out of phase the generate new counterpoints.
>
>
>

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At 10:21 AM 11/9/98 -0600, Chuck Zwicky wrote:
>I helped ensoniq develop many of the algorhythms for the DP/Pro, mostly the
>compressors and the de-esser. The 'loop recorder' is not particularly
>happening, since the unit has only 1.4 seconds of delay. You can assign a
>footswitch to toggle the delay hold on and off. It is fun to use the speed
>parameter to replay everything backwards, one octave down. Very surprising
>stuff.

does the Pro have the same frustrating 'feature' of the DP/4 std: there is
no true 100% feedback setting.  between 2 adjacent feedback values, one
slowly but surely decays and the next higher slowly overloads?  also,
trying to use 2 loop delays in parallel for stereo fails because the stop
time seen by one may be just a tad different from the other, causing the L
& R loops to go out of syncronization. (fwiw, my DP/4 Std is underused and
can be had for $450 + COD.)

later... dan
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Jim Carter wrote:
> 
> > being a solo guitar live looper kinda dude, i am constantly being asked
> >
> > "so, uh, what kinda music do you play?"
> >
> > anybody got a good, brief descriptionof live looping??
> >
> 
> I usually describe my music as
> techno-trash-blues with a bit of a gamalan feel.
> I guess tree-hugging-hippie-shit would be just as good.

This is a good queston.

If I were to be serious, I'd say things like:
"live looping" describes the technology, not the musical style.  You can use a looper to play a 
variety of styles.  For example, I play structured and unstructured music with loopers.  The 
structured might be Celtic, rock, folk, etc.  The unstructured might be ambient, soundscapes, or 
agressive in-your-face rhythms.

If I weren't being serious, I'd say things like:
"I play difficult to understand music that most people probably wouldn't like."  I've advertised it 
as "experimental folk music - not for the faint of heart", "Celtic looping", and "sonic sculptures" 
even "neo-post insidious bebop"; anything to destroy preconceptions.

I'm not trying to sound pretentious, it's just that "Talking about music is like dancing about 
architecture."

> ps - anyone using two echoplexes (echoplicis?) to layer asynchronous
> loops, rather than single loop in stereo? Something like Phillip Glass
> Music in Twelve Parts were repetative sequences move slowly move
> out of phase the generate new counterpoints.

This is one of my favorite things to do.  Usually I use two different loop lengths.  Sometimes I 
"unsynch" the EDPs but try to make the loops the same length for that "phasing" effect.

- Dennis Leas
-- 
dennis@mdbs.com

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Does this have the exact same effect algorithms as the MPX1, but with the
addition of preamp stage and controls?

Neil Goldstein
Portland, Oregon USA

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>

>
>In a message dated 11/07/1998 3:54:52 AM, mpeters@csi.com writes:
>
>>I was told that this box was designed together with David Torn. Is this
>>true ?
>
>*not* true:
>while my opinions/comments on the g2 were requested by lexicon, that didn't
>occur until a mid-to-late 'beta' stage (! unfortunately for me !; oh, to be
>invited 'in' at the 'alpha' stage.....).
>g2's looping capabilities are present: rudimentary at best, but:
>ifyer into programming, this box can *feel/respond* unusually well as a
>guitar-processor:
>nice cross-mod possibilities, & very rich filters.
>best & briefly,
>dt
>

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Greetings,
I don't know if I'm the first, but my EDP arrived today. It was 
purchased through the efforts of a regular member on this list who 
put together a group buy through Alto Music.

Even though I have lost the original post with the member's real 
name, I would like to publicly acknowledge the efforts of "JMW" who 
took the time and trouble to put together the Group Buy. I got a 
great deal ($680 total w/foot pedal, shipping).

Again, my apologies for not remembering your name, and thank you!


Louis Hesselt-van-Dinter
editor
Music Uncovered

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Dennis W. Leas wrote:

> Andreas Willers wrote:
> >
> > I'm just coming home from this first solo gig with a boomerang AND an EDP
> > and boy I had some fun.
>
>
>
> I take off my shoes when I loop.  Recently, I played outside at a amphitheatre and let
> me tell ya' my feet got COLD!  Fall evenings in Indiana...  then it started to
> drizzle...  But the loop goes on.
>

How many other loopers play barefoot? I have for over 20 yrs.
jeff

>
> BTW, have you heard the looper version of "100 Bottles of Beer on the Wall"?
>
> first verse:
> 100 bottles of beer on the wall,
> 100 bottles of beer.
> Take one down and pass it around,
> 100 bottle of beer on the wall.
>
> second verse:
> 100 bottles of beer on the wall,
> 100 bottles of beer.
> Take one down and pass it around,
> 100 bottle of beer on the wall.
>
> etc, ad nausem.
>
> This arrangement usually include audience participation, typically in the form of
> gunshots.  :)
>
> - Dennis Leas
> --
> dennis@mdbs.com

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Mine arrived as well,

Many thanks!

Who was that masked man?

Jim


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Is this for real? 
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Hey Chuck!

How you got involved with developing on the DP/PRO?
What have you done with the compressors? I am very interested.
Are you sort of audio engineer?

I am the hungarian Ensoniq distributor, and im interested in the
history of this product very much.

Ensoniq never told me why they stopped producing it so quick.



a/d

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>
>Even though I have lost the original post with the member's real 
>name, I would like to publicly acknowledge the efforts of "JMW" who 
>took the time and trouble to put together the Group Buy. I got a 
>great deal ($680 total w/foot pedal, shipping).


hey! i'd need such too! could you get me one too maybe?

a/d

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for all you folk requesting the original group purchase message.


>Ok - I spoke with John at Alto Music here's the deal.
>
>Here's the Fax number for Alto Music for those whom making a phone call 
>is inconvenient.
>
> 
>
>So far it looks like there will be about 12 units, maybe more...
>
>If you want to get one or more EDP's with or without a pedal do the 
>following:
>
>1. Call Alto Music @ (914) 692-6922 10-6pm Monday through Saturday and 
>ask for John.
>Tell him you're calling about ordering an Echoplex as part of the Loopers 
>Delight Internet mailing list - he's not hip to the listserv thing so be 
>sure to mention Echoplex & internet in the same sentence and he'll know 
>what your calling about.
>
>2 Give him your order info - i.e. How many you want, pedal or not, 
>address CC#, shipping preference etc.
>
>NOTE: while they do some mail order they are not setup like Musicians 
>Friend etc, in that they can say immediately what your freight will be.  
>You can request that they call you with the exact amount of shipping once 
>they have determined it. Rest assured that he's a straight up guy & there 
>won't be any gouging on shipping fees.
>
>3. Be patient, think Buddha like thoughts, or if you're really advanced, 
>no thoughts at all.
>The units are not in stock. Once he gets a bunch of orders, he'll place 
>an order with Gibson. When he receives the units they will be sent to you 
>according to your instructions. The time between when he places the order 
>& when they arrive is dependent on Gibson, UPS, acts of God, etc. If 
>Gibson is to be believed regarding stock & turnaround time, I'd guess 
>that everyone will have their units in 2-3 weeks.
>The prices are:
>
>$560 for EDP w/ 4Mb RAM
>
>$660 for EDP w/ 4Mb & pedal
>
>+ shipping ( & tax if you are in NY state) no tax for out of state 
>sales...
>
>We didn't discuss a time limit on this offer but I'm sure as long as 
>people are ordering a moderate amount the price will be good for a couple 
>of weeks - barring any price changes from Gibson/Oberheim of course.
>
>
>Alright, Let the feeding frenzy begin!
>
>peace,
>JMW
>
>
>

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At 01:34 PM 11/9/98 +0000, muman@eskimo.com wrote:
>
>Even though I have lost the original post with the member's real 
>name, I would like to publicly acknowledge the efforts of "JMW" who 
>took the time and trouble to put together the Group Buy. I got a 
>great deal ($680 total w/foot pedal, shipping).
>
wow - seeing this msg inspired me to dig through my old receipts to
see how much i paid for my echoplex, because i certainly don't remember
paying *that* much!

found my receipt, dated 10/3/95 (yeah - 3 years ago, wow!), from
Renegade Music in Florida (don't even know if they still exist).
the total for the EDP with the foot controller and shipping was
$467.

did i just get massively lucky, or did Oberheim raised the price 
by $200?!  i know Oberheim stuff is now being manufactured by
some other division of Gibson - maybe their cost is higher now.
i'm still running the old EDP system firmware - but i can't imagine
that the new version adds an extra $200!

guess i should have bought stereo EDP's back then, when the price 
was right!!

-john

......................................................
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>How many other loopers play barefoot? I have for over 20 yrs.

It entirely depends on the gig. I'd never play a lounge show or wedding
barefoot. But I've played lots of club stages and outdoor shows barefoot. I
let decorum, and sense, dictate.

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Yeah, my right foot feels the button better than when I have my shoe on.
And it's a good excuse to kick my shoes off (as long as there's no water on
stage).

 
>How many other loopers play barefoot? I have for over 20 yrs.
>jeff

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At 06:57 PM 11/9/98 -0800, you wrote:
>>How many other loopers play barefoot? I have for over 20 yrs.
>
>It entirely depends on the gig. I'd never play a lounge show or wedding
>barefoot. But I've played lots of club stages and outdoor shows barefoot. I
>let decorum, and sense, dictate.
>
>
>i play shoeless,,quite often...it is nessecary when triggering my jamman or
plex footpedal.since any sync-ing
between the two, requires precise initiation.. in the human realm

otherwise i would wear footgear,,,been zapped too many times as a youth, not to
james

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I believe that quote goes "dancing 'to' architecture", one of professor 
Enos' good ones.....

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Or spilled beer and I don't want to know what else from the thrash band that
plays before you. I started wearing these socks that my wife made toes into so
I can still twiddle knobs with my toes.

jeff

Grover Sheffield wrote:

> Yeah, my right foot feels the button better than when I have my shoe on.
> And it's a good excuse to kick my shoes off (as long as there's no water on
> stage).
>
>
> >How many other loopers play barefoot? I have for over 20 yrs.
> >jeff

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Received mine also. I believe it is John we should be thanking....here's
his e-mail address:  evening <evening@ulster.net>

Patrick

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For those of you who build and tinker with these toys we all love I just
saw this new ng show up on my newsreader. Thought some of you would ne
interested.

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I remember seeing Paul Dresher (one of the premier loopers for sure) with
his guitar goodies/four track deck looping gear about 10-12 years back.  He
had about 24 (metallic and homemade-looking) volume pedals and I could see
that he was getting pretty sensitive control via the footgearless method.
He had a large asian-style woven mat under these and himself, which I
assumed kept his toesies from getting grounded to the concrete....

>At 06:57 PM 11/9/98 -0800, you wrote:
>>>How many other loopers play barefoot? I have for over 20 yrs.
>>
>>It entirely depends on the gig. I'd never play a lounge show or wedding
>>barefoot. But I've played lots of club stages and outdoor shows barefoot. I
>>let decorum, and sense, dictate.
>>
>>
>>i play shoeless,,quite often...it is nessecary when triggering my jamman or
>plex footpedal.since any sync-ing
>between the two, requires precise initiation.. in the human realm
>
>otherwise i would wear footgear,,,been zapped too many times as a youth,
>not to
>james



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I received my Echoplex from Alto this morning also -- and it had to spend
some time at Canada Customs first.

Thanks John (evening@ulster.net) for setting that up.

All the best,

Howard

At 01:34 PM 11/9/98 +0000, you wrote:
>Greetings,
>I don't know if I'm the first, but my EDP arrived today. It was 
>purchased through the efforts of a regular member on this list who 
>put together a group buy through Alto Music.
>
>Even though I have lost the original post with the member's real 
>name, I would like to publicly acknowledge the efforts of "JMW" who 
>took the time and trouble to put together the Group Buy. I got a 
>great deal ($680 total w/foot pedal, shipping).
>
>Again, my apologies for not remembering your name, and thank you!
>
>
>Louis Hesselt-van-Dinter
>editor
>Music Uncovered
>
>
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Hey all,

Any one else get a new EDP with absolutely NO RAM in it??? The fault is
certainly not with Alto Music, the unit arrived in the original box from
Oberhiem, with my address slapped over Alto's. I can't believe that they
would ship units out of the factory without ensuring that they had the
normal complement of RAM. Sheesh. If any of you from Oberhiem/Gibson are
subscribing to this list, a hale and hearty PFTTTTTTTHB!!!!! to you in
spades! harumph! May your guitars spontaneously detune! There, I feel
better.

Luckily, I had 4 old 1 meg simms left from a salvaged '386 so I still get
my instant gratification. You get some interesting effects when you've got
a loop sync'd and then push the reverse button on the slave unit. Do this a
couple of times on the slave and the two loops go out of phase. Very cool!

Jim








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I always loop barefoot.It seems the best approach for me. But,2 nights
ago I saw Michael Manring using a pair of Jammans with their original
pedals and working them with these HUGE!(but stylish)boots.It was nearly
as impressive as anything else he did during a really incredible solo
performance.

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I just got my new echoplex too. Seems like a great unit. It checked out
fine on arrival. However, after I installed new RAM, it now generates
constant internal self-noise. That is, even with feedback turned all the
way down, the feedback light stays aglow, and recording even a silent input
yields a loop of fairly loud (though not overwhelmingly loud) white noise.
It does record from the input if I play something into it, it just sums it
with the static to create a loop with a s/n ratio of 1:1.

I have had extensive experience installing RAM and other components into
computer equipment and other static-sensitive devices, and I took all
appropriate precautions when installing the RAM, and had no notable
problems. The 'plex now indicates the full 198 secs of loop time, so it
seems to be recognizing all the RAM.

Where is all the fucking noise coming from, and how do I get rid of it?

Thanks,


   ### ## ###
      Aden
   ### ## ###


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Ensoniq pulled the plug on what I consider to be one of the nicest
processors ever, due to lack of promotion. In retrospect, they admit that
naming it the DP/pro was a mistake, because people assumed that it was
merely a repackaged DP/2. 

There is a parameter in the delays called cross regeneration which is
calibrated in degrees. It can provide the nicest rhythmic panning effects
and really creates some beautiful swimming textures in the delay trails.

There is nothing like that anywhere else.


-Chuck

At 12:27 AM 11/10/98 +0100, you wrote:
>Hey Chuck!
>
>How you got involved with developing on the DP/PRO?
>What have you done with the compressors? I am very interested.
>Are you sort of audio engineer?
>
>I am the hungarian Ensoniq distributor, and im interested in the
>history of this product very much.
>
>Ensoniq never told me why they stopped producing it so quick.
>
>
>
>a/d
>
>
>

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After much experimentation, I have verified that all the RAM is OK. That
is, if I replace either bank (pair) with the original 1MB SIMMs that came
with the unit, then the 'plex works fine, reporting the correct 122 secs of
loop time. It is only when I try to use all four 4 MB SIMMs at once that I
get this self-noise problem. Eh bien?

Aden

>I just got my new echoplex too. Seems like a great unit. It checked out
>fine on arrival. However, after I installed new RAM, it now generates
>constant internal self-noise. That is, even with feedback turned all the
>way down, the feedback light stays aglow, and recording even a silent input
>yields a loop of fairly loud (though not overwhelmingly loud) white noise.
>It does record from the input if I play something into it, it just sums it
>with the static to create a loop with a s/n ratio of 1:1.
>
>I have had extensive experience installing RAM and other components into
>computer equipment and other static-sensitive devices, and I took all
>appropriate precautions when installing the RAM, and had no notable
>problems. The 'plex now indicates the full 198 secs of loop time, so it
>seems to be recognizing all the RAM.
>
>Where is all the fucking noise coming from, and how do I get rid of it?
>
>Thanks,
>
>
>   ### ## ###
>      Aden
>   ### ## ###



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I'm starting to feel sorry I didn't have the moolah to cough up when this
offer came along, since in a small amount of time I'll be upgrading to
Pentium land, and retiring four 4-meg SIMMs in the process.

Stephen Goodman  -  It's... The Loop Of The Week(Bob Kane)!
EarthLight Studios  -  http://www.earthlight.net/Studios

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I'm a White Sox player. If it's hot I'll shed 'em, but almost never wear shoes, especially
iin heavy looping while seated situations. I don't mean to brag, but I've got great toes,
almost like little fiingers for tweaking pedal settiings. I even use the clunky Jam Man
plastic pedal, cause it works fine with the big toe. But the Boomerang switches are a joy
for any toe.

eric p
echo park

Jeff Duke wrote:

> Dennis W. Leas wrote:
>
> > Andreas Willers wrote:
> > >
> > > I'm just coming home from this first solo gig with a boomerang AND an EDP
> > > and boy I had some fun.
> >
> >
> >
> > I take off my shoes when I loop.  Recently, I played outside at a amphitheatre and let
> > me tell ya' my feet got COLD!  Fall evenings in Indiana...  then it started to
> > drizzle...  But the loop goes on.
> >
>
> How many other loopers play barefoot? I have for over 20 yrs.
> jeff
>
> >
> > BTW, have you heard the looper version of "100 Bottles of Beer on the Wall"?
> >
> > first verse:
> > 100 bottles of beer on the wall,
> > 100 bottles of beer.
> > Take one down and pass it around,
> > 100 bottle of beer on the wall.
> >
> > second verse:
> > 100 bottles of beer on the wall,
> > 100 bottles of beer.
> > Take one down and pass it around,
> > 100 bottle of beer on the wall.
> >
> > etc, ad nausem.
> >
> > This arrangement usually include audience participation, typically in the form of
> > gunshots.  :)
> >
> > - Dennis Leas
> > --
> > dennis@mdbs.com



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Given the price of memory now days, can one expects to see a next version of
EDP's soft to accept, say, 4*64 Mb of memory?
It would allow undo to death, and more felexibilty. I guess that when designing
the machine, memory price was an issue to consider, but now?

Olivier Malhomme

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I really dig the Ensoniq effects boxes - I've got 2 DP4's & one DP 
Pro....awesome units

The loop time IS short... but can be put to good effect especially when 
using the speed parameter - but there is no speed parameter on the DP4 
looping algorhythm. Does anyone know if the DP4+ has the speed parameter 
for the looping delay?  

Also, I really wish that the regeneration/feedback was infinite, having 
the loops degrade over time is sometimes interesting but not always...

I recently considered getting a Paris system just to use the FX - 8 
stereo/16 mono DP Pro quality algorhythms  but at $2500 and with no 
loopers, distortion or wacky FX (just verbs, echoes & the like) it just 
wouldn't be worth it for me... 

jmw

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Fellow Loopers, 

I dropped by Alto Music yesterday and was told that over 15 units were 
shipped, with more orders on the way.... whatta a voracious bunch! To 
everyone who expressed thanks: You are welcome.

Needless to say ( but I'll say it anyway) the owner was smiling ear to 
ear as he asked "Do you belong to any other lists?" 

For those who asked, the price is still good and they'd be glad to sell 
more - email me if you need the contact info. I'd encourage everyone to 
check Alto Music out when your shopping for gear - they always do me 
right.

RE : price

I believe that Gibson has raised the prices on everything in the last 
couple of years - including the echoplex. I spoke with a friend who paid 
~$500 with the pedal about 3 years ago as well.  Last year the list price 
of certain Steinberger models went up $1100!


Total bummer about the the lack of RAM in the EDP - hopefully it was just 
a fluke...


happy looping,

best

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Hopefully, all of you barefoot players carry around and stand on a mat made
of non-conductive rubber!  As an electrical engineer, I have a deep-down
imbedded instinct tnat makes me feel the adrenaline of fear whenever I read
something like this!!  Having felt numerous low-level currents flow through
my body when touching various pieces of electronic equipment *while wearing
shoes*, and occasional not-so-low-level currents, I have to say "be
careful!"  Especially outdoors!!  You're playing Russian Roulette!

-----Original Message-----
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>How many other loopers play barefoot? I have for over 20 yrs.

It entirely depends on the gig. I'd never play a lounge show or wedding
barefoot. But I've played lots of club stages and outdoor shows barefoot. I
let decorum, and sense, dictate.

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I hope so too, not everyone has an old junked '386 sitting around gathering
dust. I experienced fortune in the mist of  (minor) misfortune.

The really beautiful thing about this whole experience was the level of
trust everyone has had with each other. Think about it: Calling a place,
sight unseen, at the recommendation of someone on the net that you may
never have met in person. In a darker world, this could have been a perfect
setup to steal credit card numbers...or worse. Don't underestimate what has
just happened. These moments of honesty and light are fewer and farther
between than any of us would like to admit. I'm really happy to have been a
part of it.

thanks again,

Jim





evening <evening@ulster.net> on 11/10/98 08:20:18 AM


Total bummer about the the lack of RAM in the EDP - hopefully it was just
a fluke...


happy looping,

best







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Man, that's a weird problem!

I remember somebody mentioning that one of the screws on the EDP case is shorter than the 
others.  If you replace that screw with one of the longer ones, then the longer screw may 
touch a transformer core with causes induced noise.  I doubt that this is your problem but 
it's worth checking.

- Dennis Leas
-- 
dennis@mdbs.com

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Hi Loopers,

I plugged into my brand new Echoplex (purchased via the list group buy) for
the first time. Having barely looked at the manual, I've just been trying
things with my keyboard and a MIDI wind instrument (Yamaha WX5) connected
to a monophonic synth (Yamaha VL70m) -- incredible. This thing is deep.

The earth moved!

Cheers,

Howard


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I've just got to add my .02 cents as well.

I've been lurking on this list pretty much since its inception, and have
been consistently pleased with the calibre of individuals participating.
The discussions have been (in most cases *grin*) very useful and
interesting.

Now I finally had enough disposable income to particiapte in the recent
"group buy" and am anxiously awaiting my EDP up here in Canada.  I
certainly had no reservations about participating, and entering the
realm of 'hardcore' looping *smile*

My thanks as well!

Scott

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I hope so too, not everyone has an old junked '386 sitting around
gathering
dust. I experienced fortune in the mist of  (minor) misfortune.

The really beautiful thing about this whole experience was the level of
trust everyone has had with each other. Think about it: Calling a place,
sight unseen, at the recommendation of someone on the net that you may
never have met in person. In a darker world, this could have been a
perfect
setup to steal credit card numbers...or worse. Don't underestimate what
has
just happened. These moments of honesty and light are fewer and farther
between than any of us would like to admit. I'm really happy to have
been a
part of it.

thanks again,

Jim



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scott kungha drengsen wrote:

> I always loop barefoot.It seems the best approach for me. But,2 nights
> ago I saw Michael Manring using a pair of Jammans with their original
> pedals and working them with these HUGE!(but stylish)boots.It was nearly
> as impressive as anything else he did during a really incredible solo
> performance.

yeah, i noticed our dear herr fripp with the massive boot action at HOB a
few years ago (i think footpedals gain a certain respect for that...),
didn't seem to hinder the course of events much...

lance g.

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ur eye wrote:

> I believe that quote goes "dancing 'to' architecture", one of professor
> Enos' good ones.....
>
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yo, i thought it were laurie anderson (?)

lance g.

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     BAREFEET...
     This barefootin' thing gives me the willies... I played with a bassist 
     for years who was a barefoot free spirit kind of guy and I was always 
     at least a little concerned... 
     
     I'm more of the Alan-Hoover-yer-skatin'-on-thin-ice attitude about it. 
     There's serious voltage in the room and you should protect yourself!
     
     THAT HOODOO...
     That thing we do is very hard to quantify isn't it?.. It was mentioned 
     that looping is the tool, not the style, and I agree with that... 
     While I might stumble frequently into ambient territory, I'm just as 
     likely to sound like osterized-hell-in-a-vice and solo loudly and  
     relentlessly, searching for my most obnoxious tones... 
     
     I have no idea what to call the style because it's so ephemeral. It 
     would almost be a relief to *choose* a more defined genre and adhere 
     to it somewhat, but I'm not quite doing that *yet*.
     
     It's still a concern of mine that an audience wants to see creation / 
     inception of some sort and will begin to suspect subterfuge if they 
     hear *far* more than they can account for with their own senses. That 
     can happen very quickly with looping, so I'm looking for that happy 
     mean which can still communicate without disorienting or alienating 
     those present. (I'm talking about those who would already be 
     *stylistically* interested in the first place.) 
     
     As looping grows as a specific genre maybe more listeners will relate 
     to the actual practice, making it easier for us to describe how we 
     *create* the form which the music rests upon.
     
     So what is it that I do?..
     
     Guitarcentric-Techno-Improv-Space-Music...
     
     Any suggestions as to a more venue/audience friendly description?
     
     Best Regards,
     -Miko
     --------------------------------------------------------------------
     Miko Biffle                              "And I am running scared...
     mike.biffle@wj.com                "From all the usual distractions!"

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Hi,

My new EDP seems to be stuck in a mode where Overdub mode is ON (that is,
whatever I play is recorded over the material in the loop) when the overdub
light is green, and off (what I play is not recorded) when it is red. From
my reading of the manual, this is opposite to what it should be.

What have I done and how can I get back to Overdub's original mode of
operation?

Thanks,

Howard
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As a looping bassist, my music gets referred to as "Bass Realms." As far as
the barefoot thing goes, I am way too suspicious of potential potentials,
if you get my current drift!

Edwin

Edwin Hurwitz
Boulder CO
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you have the Loop/Delay parameter set to "delay". In that mode it acts more
like a traditional delay, with the Overdub button becoming a "hold"
function. Set the Loop/Delay parameter back to "Loop" and it will act as you
expect. (actually, that value is "LOP" on the display...)

kim


At 04:29 PM 11/10/98 -0400, you wrote:
>Hi,
>
>My new EDP seems to be stuck in a mode where Overdub mode is ON (that is,
>whatever I play is recorded over the material in the loop) when the overdub
>light is green, and off (what I play is not recorded) when it is red. From
>my reading of the manual, this is opposite to what it should be.
>
>What have I done and how can I get back to Overdub's original mode of
>operation?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Howard
>==========================================================
>Howard Harawitz      howard@brooknorth.com              
>==========================================================
>Brooklyn North Software Works Inc.
>Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada 
>Telephone: 1-902-423-0257
>==========================================================
>Check the Halifax Harbor Cam: http://www.brooknorth.com/camsite/
>
>
>
_________________________________________________________
Kim Flint, MTS                     kflint@chromatic.com
Chromatic Research                 408-752-9284
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>As a looping bassist, my music gets referred to as "Bass Realms." 

I like that a lot... descriptive without unnecessary effort!

best,
-Miko

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Hi Kim,

Thanks for the quick response.

RE:
>you have the Loop/Delay parameter set to "delay". In that mode it acts more
>like a traditional delay, with the Overdub button becoming a "hold"
>function.

That explains it. It's a useful mode, but not the one I was interested in. 

The fix worked. I didn't realize that I had changed that parameter. But,
then again, I have been fiddling with just about everything. Oh, well...

Back to overlapping layers of ethereal choirs...

I really like this machine.

Regards,

Howard

At 12:49 PM 11/10/98 -0800, you wrote:
>you have the Loop/Delay parameter set to "delay". In that mode it acts more
>like a traditional delay, with the Overdub button becoming a "hold"
>function. Set the Loop/Delay parameter back to "Loop" and it will act as you
>expect. (actually, that value is "LOP" on the display...)
>
>kim
>
>
>At 04:29 PM 11/10/98 -0400, you wrote:
>>Hi,
>>
>>My new EDP seems to be stuck in a mode where Overdub mode is ON (that is,
>>whatever I play is recorded over the material in the loop) when the overdub
>>light is green, and off (what I play is not recorded) when it is red. From
>>my reading of the manual, this is opposite to what it should be.
>>
>>What have I done and how can I get back to Overdub's original mode of
>>operation?
>>
>>Thanks,
>>
>>Howard
>>==========================================================
>>Howard Harawitz      howard@brooknorth.com              
>>==========================================================
>>Brooklyn North Software Works Inc.
>>Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada 
>>Telephone: 1-902-423-0257
>>==========================================================
>>Check the Halifax Harbor Cam: http://www.brooknorth.com/camsite/
>>
>>
>>
>_________________________________________________________
>Kim Flint, MTS                     kflint@chromatic.com
>Chromatic Research                 408-752-9284
>http://www.chromatic.com
>
>
==========================================================
Howard Harawitz      howard@brooknorth.com              
==========================================================
Brooklyn North Software Works Inc.
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada 
Telephone: 1-902-423-0257
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I also play something similar with my bass and my Boomerang.  There are a
bunch of different tricks I've used.  I like doing a low loop, dropping
the speed to half (to drop everything down) and then solo on top of it.  I
do the same in reverse also (record at half speed and then speed it up).
I also like to switch instruments.  I'll drop something into the loop with
my normal bass (or cello) and then add stuff into the loop with my 8
string or fretless, but that kind of stuff is a pain live, I mostly do it
in the studio.

hopes it gives you some ideas....

	Kevin


> 
> How many bass players are there out there kicking out the dope loops,
> yo?
> 
> I just started playing bass with this dreampop band called Aerial Love
> Feed (sounds kind of like Lush covering My Bloody Valentine songs with
> Will Hegge on bass and Dave Grohl on drums.
> 
> Anyhow, anyone have any tips on keeping the sound on the loops clear?  I
> would imagine my bass rig would make many cringe-  here it is:
> 
> '69 Fender Musicmaster bass
> 
> Trainor YB4 bass amp with the hole in the speaker big enough to fit two
> fingers into
> 
> a rotating array of pedals including but not limited to
> MXR microamp
> Small Stone Phaser
> Boss PS-3 pitchshifter/delay
> Big Muff.
> 
> I'm worried the tone might get a little muddy.  Any thoughts?
> 
> Plus: when looping bass, how do you build your loops? Do you start with
> a high rhythmic figure, with a shifting bassline underneath?  A solid
> bassline loop and countermelody on top?
> 
> tdb
> 
> 
> --
> Would you like fries with that?
> 
> 

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hey,

	none of my local stores or catalogs that I see have peavey MIDI
Gear.  Also Peavey has a policy of not allowing on-line sales.  The upshot
of which is that I can't get this thing.  Does anyone know of a place with
mailorder that sells it?

thanks!

	Kevin

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I got a peek at the manual at the AES show.  Lots
of modulation options (incl. vortex A/B type stuff)
and sources (lfos, envelope follower, etc.) and *two*
effects paths, one for pre-distortion/preamp effects (wah),
and one for post-distortion/preamp effects.  Didn't get
to hear it though, some bloke had messed up the demo
guitar. *sigh*  There is a looping delay built in, but there
are some limitations on how effects can be combined.

Jim

Neil Goldstein wrote:
> 
> Does this have the exact same effect algorithms as the MPX1, but with the
> addition of preamp stage and controls?
> 
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At 10:50 PM -0800 11/9/98, Aden Evens wrote:
>I just got my new echoplex too. Seems like a great unit. It checked out
>fine on arrival. However, after I installed new RAM, it now generates
>constant internal self-noise. That is, even with feedback turned all the
>way down, the feedback light stays aglow, and recording even a silent input
>yields a loop of fairly loud (though not overwhelmingly loud) white noise.
>It does record from the input if I play something into it, it just sums it
>with the static to create a loop with a s/n ratio of 1:1.

hmm, bizzare problem! so I gather you did try going back to the old simms,
and it did go back to working right again? That would likely mean something
wrong with one of the simms. If it works ok with the original simms than
the echoplex hardware is probably fine; there's not much different between
1MB and 4MB. you might want to try the simms in different pair combinations
to see if you can figure out which one it is, and replace it. weird though,
seems like the simm probably has some bad bits that only interfere in some
places and not all. The feedback LED indicates audio level on the digital
side. If that's the only thing lighting, it's probably some sort of data
corruption happening. Since it's not crashing otherwise, a bad chip on one
of the simms could be it. Or maybe they draw an unusually large amount of
power or are very noisy? I guess a quick thing to do is get some different
4MB simms in there to see if they do the same or the problem goes away.

or it could be the problem with a long screw hitting the transformer, that
Dennis mentioned. seems unlikely that that would just cause the noise and
not some more serious problem, but I've seen stranger things. If that seems
like it, maybe find the short screw or just leave the screw on that side
out.

kim

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At 5:01 AM -0800 11/10/98, Malhomme wrote:
>Given the price of memory now days, can one expects to see a next version of
>EDP's soft to accept, say, 4*64 Mb of memory?

sorry, that's a hardware thing, actually. No matter what we do with the
software, the address space ain't getting any bigger.....

>It would allow undo to death, and more felexibilty. I guess that when
>designing
>the machine, memory price was an issue to consider, but now?

Back then, it cost over $1000 to get the echoplex fully upgraded!

kim

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Where in the plex does the short screw go.

Thanks,

Kelly

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kevin,

try these guys:

CROCODILE COMPUTERS & MUSIC
212-769-3400, Fax 212-724-3501
* 360 AMSTERDAM AVE (77 ST) NYC* 

i think i remember seeing them for about $350.  it's a little on the 
expensive side, but they've got that whole supply/demand thing on their 
side.

if you find a better deal, please let me know.  i'm thinking about 
getting a pc-1600x for myself.

matt



>From: The Unit Circle <unitcirc@keys.com>
>Subject: help finding a Peavey PC1600X
>To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
>Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 22:27:48 -0500 (EST)
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>hey,
>
>	none of my local stores or catalogs that I see have peavey MIDI
>Gear.  Also Peavey has a policy of not allowing on-line sales.  The 
upshot
>of which is that I can't get this thing.  Does anyone know of a place 
with
>mailorder that sells it?
>
>thanks!
>
>	Kevin
>
>



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> How many bass players are there out there kicking out the dope loops,
> yo?

I have been doing this for a while. I use Alembic preamps, Lexicon LXP 1
and LXP 5 and Jamman with an MRC (I used to wire an external control right
into my bass so I could control pitch shifts and reverb times right off the
bass, but my special multi pin cable kept going south right before crucial
gigs.) Digitech distortion, a Mutron III, Bassballs, Tubescreamer, Digitech
Whammy II and a Morley Wah/Vol (One of the old huge chrome jobs). It all
runs in stereo and I use an Ibanez EPP400 patch controller for the analog
FX so I can change order and what effects are on. Needless to say, the bass
can very quickly assume other characteristics, especially when played with
various props. Another bassist that I have jammed with who does this kind
of thing is Stacey Starkweather of Burlington VT. He is well worth checking
out on all levels. We have a duet we call Bak-O-Bass that reaches all kinds
of outer realms. Most folks who hear it have no idea that it is bass.

Edwin

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Dear Kim,

	For an upgrade to occur it would also take a software upgrade too, to handle
the new memory addresses, just like it does with the older computers, or with
the motherboards of today breaking the 512MB barrier, not all OS' out there
can handle it.  I would imagine the same holds true of the Echoplex in going
beyond 16MB (if the 4x9 from an earlier post is correct).  If they went to SD
RAM, then it would be a matter of slots and whose memory to use, and then
whether or not to go PC100 or not.
	The slots themselves are pennies, and the physical RAM is not that cost
prohibitive, either...  Just think with 2 slots you could go up to 256MB of
RAM that would run quite a bit faster than the old 30-pin SIMMs.
	Not to mention that they are less prone to have errors than the older 30-pins
SIMMs, too...  Oh well, just a little kibitzing on my part, hopefully someone
at Gibson/Oberheim reads this one.

Lee

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Does any one have any suggestions for pedals to use w/ the jamman/ =
vortex.  I have noticed some incompatibility with some pedals so any =
input would be greatly appreciated.

thanks in advance

John

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If I recall correctly, I bought my PC1600x from Mannys (in NY)  last December
for maybe $325.  



>kevin,
>
>try these guys:
>
>CROCODILE COMPUTERS & MUSIC
>212-769-3400, Fax 212-724-3501
>* 360 AMSTERDAM AVE (77 ST) NYC* 
>
>i think i remember seeing them for about $350.  it's a little on the 
>expensive side, but they've got that whole supply/demand thing on their 
>side.
>
>if you find a better deal, please let me know.  i'm thinking about 
>getting a pc-1600x for myself.
>
>matt

>>From: The Unit Circle <unitcirc@keys.com>
>>Subject: help finding a Peavey PC1600X
>>hey,
>>
>> none of my local stores or catalogs that I see have peavey MIDI
>>Gear.  Also Peavey has a policy of not allowing on-line sales.  The 
>upshot of which is that I can't get this thing.  Does anyone know of
 >a place with mailorder that sells it?
>>
>>thanks!
>>
>> Kevin
>>
>>
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At 4:02 AM -0800 11/11/98, KelRey@aol.com wrote:
>Where in the plex does the short screw go.
>

on the right side, by the transformer. I think it's only an issue on some
units. For a while they were using longer screws in most of the holes and a
short one by the transformer. Most of the time they used all short ones,
which I last heard is what they do now. There's no issue then. It's
something to watch for if you do a memory upgrade and have the top open. If
there are different sized screws, use a short one in the hole on the right
side.

kim

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It is a lot of time that I don't read Andre LaFosse on this list.
A little time ago I visited his interesting web pages, but now I have loosed
the url.

Salvatore

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What do you think? Is it worth it? What are the alternatives? Are they any
good?

I am thinking of getting one too. Do I smell a group buy in the offing? :>

bIz
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jonathan Brainin [mailto:jbrainin@planet.net]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 1998 10:14 AM
> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
> Subject: Re: help finding a Peavey PC1600X
>
>
> If I recall correctly, I bought my PC1600x from Mannys (in NY)
> last December
> for maybe $325.
>
>
>
> >kevin,
> >
> >try these guys:
> >
> >CROCODILE COMPUTERS & MUSIC
> >212-769-3400, Fax 212-724-3501
> >* 360 AMSTERDAM AVE (77 ST) NYC*
> >
> >i think i remember seeing them for about $350.  it's a little on the
> >expensive side, but they've got that whole supply/demand thing on their
> >side.
> >
> >if you find a better deal, please let me know.  i'm thinking about
> >getting a pc-1600x for myself.
> >
> >matt
>
> >>From: The Unit Circle <unitcirc@keys.com>
> >>Subject: help finding a Peavey PC1600X
> >>hey,
> >>
> >> none of my local stores or catalogs that I see have peavey MIDI
> >>Gear.  Also Peavey has a policy of not allowing on-line sales.  The
> >upshot of which is that I can't get this thing.  Does anyone know of
>  >a place with mailorder that sells it?
> >>
> >>thanks!
> >>
> >> Kevin
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
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Greetings,
I have a feedback pedal question for the EDP.

I am using my Roland EV-5 pedal. Unfortunately, when I use this pedal,
the loop gradually fades out. This does not happen when the pedal is
not connected.

Is this common? Will this also happen if I use the Boss FV-50L.

I like having the ability to choose when my loop ends (with the
feedback knob). I'm hoping that the pedal will give me the same
control.

Louis Hesselt-van-Dinter
editor
Music Uncovered

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Found this interesting reading, and thought some others in the list would, so
I'm passing it on:

Leonardo Music Journal
Call for Proposals


We invite proposals for the next two issues of the Leonardo Music Journal.
The guidelines below are intended to create an identifiable focus for each
issue, but should not be regarded as a limited set of assigned topics or as
specific questions to be answered.  They should serve instead as
springboards for personally relevant writing, and are open to individual
interpretation.  Please contact the Leonardo Music Journal or Nicolas
Collins, Editor-in-Chief, directly with proposals, suggestions or
questions , at: tallmancollins@compuserve.com.



LMJ 9: Power and Responsibility: Politics, Identity and Technology in Music

In our contemporary saviness, we no longer think of music as the creation
of solitary genius scribbling in a garret.   We are far more likely to see
it as a collaboration between individual ambitions and socio-economic
constraints and inspirations.  Composers themselves are likely to parse the
responsibility for musical decisions out among numerous parties: a
composer, pseudo-autonomous hardware and software, improvising musicians,
variables of architectural space, or the interaction of an audience.

These issues converge on questions of identity and power politics: is the
orchestra necessarily fascistic?  Does electronic technology have an
inherent sexual identity (is it all "boy's toys")?  What is the difference
between a Japanese composer writing for the piano and a German composer
writing for the koto?  Do composers in "young countries" (Australia)
necessarily have less cultural baggage than those in older ones (Italy)?
Are the virtues of democracy the same as those of music?   And how do we
deal with Mr. Gates?

In this issue of Leonardo, we want to examine how contemporary composers
define their role within a network of shared responsibility.  How do you
allocate power?  How do you justify its use?  How do you define your
musical and social communities, and how do you position yourself within
them?


Deadlines:
December 1, 1998: rough proposals, queries
January 15, 1999: submission of finished article
April 1: article returned with reviewer comments for revision
May 15: revised version due


LMJ 10: Southern Cones -- Music in Africa and South America

For the end of the millennium we want to shift the focus away from
technological music's traditionally Eurocentric domain and concentrate
instead on contributions to modern music coming out of Africa and South
America.   Access and attitudes towards technology shift radically with
geography, causing both predictable and unexpected effects on the arts.
We encourage writing by residents of these continents who work with
technology and music (composers of "serious" and "pop" music, recording
engineers and producers, studio musicians, concert promoters,
musicologists, etc.), as well as persons of any citizenship for whom
Southern cultures have been musically significant.

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Salvatore Passaro wrote:
 
> It is a lot of time that I don't read Andre LaFosse on this list.

Howdy!

> A little time ago I visited his interesting web pages, but now I have loosed
> the url.

Haven't made any updates in a while, but the site is still available:

http://home.earthlink.net/~altruist

Glad you liked what you saw...

--Andre

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At 02:07 PM 11/11/98 +0000, you wrote:
>Greetings,
>I have a feedback pedal question for the EDP.

hi, these questions are answered in the echoplex FAQ:

http://www.annihilist.com/loop/tools/echoplex/FAQ.html

check there for details, briefly:

>I am using my Roland EV-5 pedal. Unfortunately, when I use this pedal,
>the loop gradually fades out. This does not happen when the pedal is
>not connected.

i don't think this pedal works well for the feedback jack.

>Is this common? Will this also happen if I use the Boss FV-50L.

the boss pedal works fine. make sure to get the 50L version.

>I like having the ability to choose when my loop ends (with the
>feedback knob). I'm hoping that the pedal will give me the same
>control.

yes, it's exactly the same.

kim
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>From: muman@eskimo.com
>To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
>Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 14:07:13 +0000
>Subject: feedback pedal question
>Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
>
>Greetings,
>I have a feedback pedal question for the EDP.
>
>I am using my Roland EV-5 pedal. Unfortunately, when I use this pedal,
>the loop gradually fades out. This does not happen when the pedal is
>not connected.
Just an Idea, double check the "knob" on the left side oof the pedal. 
Make sure it is set all the way up. It limits the output of the pedal if 
it is not.


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>Does any one have any suggestions for pedals to use w/ the jamman/ vortex.
>I have noticed some incompatibility with some pedals so any input would
>be greatly appreciated.
>
>thanks in advance
>
>John

I found the best way was via MIDI as this opens up all of the Jam Man's
potential.

Patrick

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In a message dated 11/11/98 10:50:13 AM Eastern Standard Time, edwin@indra.com
writes:

>  various props. Another bassist that I have jammed with who does this kind
>  of thing is Stacey Starkweather of Burlington VT. He is well worth checking
>  out on all levels. We have a duet we call Bak-O-Bass that reaches all kinds
>  of outer realms. Most folks who hear it have no idea that it is bass.

Hey Edwin,

Just moved (back) to this area--if only temporarily--and would love to hear
some of this stuff.  Where/when do you guys play?

As i recall, it was Stacey Starkweather who lent David Torn and Echoplex
(the old tape kind) for the Polytown sessions back in '93.  I have heard
some of his recordings, and have been impressed.

Are there any other rural New England/Vermont type loopers out there
doing their dope thing in these crazy woods?

'Til next time,
pete k.

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Jonathan El-Bizri wrote:

>What do you think? Is it worth it? What are the alternatives? Are they any
>good?
>
>I am thinking of getting one too. Do I smell a group buy in the offing? :>

I know of no good cheap alternatives to the PC1600x and the pricier 
ones seem no more capable than the PC1600x.  Is it worth it?  In a 
word, YES.  It is capable of use with all midi gear and is remarkably
flexible in its' uses.

Jonathan Brainin

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>Just moved (back) to this area--if only temporarily--and would love to hear
>some of this stuff.  Where/when do you guys play?

hear hear!  when ya giggin'?

>Are there any other rural New England/Vermont type loopers out there
>doing their dope thing in these crazy woods?

so i'm not the only one in VT?
deep in the heart of nowhere, on the colder nights you can hear my jamman
howling near the edge of Lake Champlain.  scoping out Burlington for a
loop-freindly venue.  ideas?

murkie

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In a message dated 11/11/98 3:10:42 PM, jbiz@linkexchange.com writes:

>I am thinking of getting one too. Do I smell a group buy in the offing?


Well, I missed the EDP group buy, but would be VERY interested in going in on
one of these thingys.....

Marshall

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At 11:37 PM 11/11/98 EST, Marzzz@aol.com wrote:
>
>In a message dated 11/11/98 3:10:42 PM, jbiz@linkexchange.com writes:
>
>>I am thinking of getting one too. Do I smell a group buy in the offing?
>
>
>Well, I missed the EDP group buy, but would be VERY interested in going in on
>one of these thingys.....

I've been planning to get one too. I'm not sure what value there'd be in a
group buy of something already rather cheap, but count me in if one gets
organized....

also, I know Banana's at Large in San Rafael, CA has carried these in the
past, and usually has good prices. Might be a good place to check. They do
mail order, even internationally....

kim
________________________________________________________
Kim Flint, MTS		       408-752-9284
Chromatic Research	       kflint@chromatic.com
http://www.chromatic.com

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hello all,
our friend / list member jeff duke has kindly posted some real audio files of
some of our material from our just released cd.
there is also a video posted jeff did when we visited his home town of atlanta
a couple months back. jeff's one of the coolest cats around!
check it out

http://members.xoom.com/birdnoise/ebn.html

let us know what you think?
brian mckenzie

available now         electric bird noise (cinematic loop and layered
instrumental rock)
                          unleashing the inner robot
                        

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hey, great! you get two thumbs up here. My girlfriend informs me that I
will soon be purchasing a copy.....

kim

At 10:17 PM -0800 11/11/98, ENAT21213@aol.com wrote:
>hello all,
>our friend / list member jeff duke has kindly posted some real audio files of
>some of our material from our just released cd.
>there is also a video posted jeff did when we visited his home town of atlanta
>a couple months back. jeff's one of the coolest cats around!
>check it out
>
>http://members.xoom.com/birdnoise/ebn.html
>
>let us know what you think?
>brian mckenzie
>
>available now         electric bird noise (cinematic loop and layered
>instrumental rock)
>                          unleashing the inner robot
>


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thanks to all of you who replied to my feedback pedal question. I 
looked in the FAQ and had more questions then there were answers 
(about the pedal). Actually, without the FAQ, I would have posted 
lots more questions.

Again, thanks.
Louis Hesselt-van-Dinter
editor
Music Uncovered

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Little to no loop content, sorry

I recently received a catologue from a UK company selling guitar
tuition videos, including David Torn - Painting with Guitar 1 & 2.
Naturally I ordered these straight away only to be told that they
are discontinued and otherwise unavailable.

Does anyone know where (preferably Europe) I can get copies?
Perhaps if Mr Torn reads this he might know or at very least 
come round my house and give me a couple of lessons.

I need these videos like Homer Simpson needs dougnuts, hmmmmm videos.


Jim Carter


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It was interesting that so many of you use two echoplexes 
(echoplicis - can we get an official verdict on this) to
perform asyncronous loopage.

What I would like to know now is how you achieve this - hardwarewise.
Do you just run of two AUX sends on a mixer ?
Do you use two separate foot controllers?
Is there an easy way to sync/desync two pair for stereo/asynchronous
loops?

At the danger of becoming gearheaded, I would be interested in seeing
schematics of looper rigs, especially live setups.


Jim Carter (so many questions, so little money)

ps I agree that its near impossible to work the EDP footcontroller
with footware but can anyone really recommend walking on a pub floor
with bare feet? let alone a pub toilet floor? 
You people must play much classier venues than I ever have.

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Jim,

I saw the videos on the shelves of the Rose-Morris shop in Denmark St., London, not too long ago. I haven't got
their phone number handy, but I think they're owned by the Arbiter Group, who are on 0181 207 5050. They 
ought to be able to 'furnish' you with the number.
Any hassle let me know and I'll have the number by tomorrow.

good luck
Andrew

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Little to no loop content, sorry

I recently received a catologue from a UK company selling guitar
tuition videos, including David Torn - Painting with Guitar 1 & 2.
Naturally I ordered these straight away only to be told that they
are discontinued and otherwise unavailable.

Does anyone know where (preferably Europe) I can get copies?
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come round my house and give me a couple of lessons.

I need these videos like Homer Simpson needs dougnuts, hmmmmm videos.


Jim Carter

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my i be so bold as to ask what this PC1600x is and why are a lot of us lusting
after it.......for some reason i always pass up Peavey when looking at
equipment (i have no idea where this prejudice comes form, perhaps funky amps
from my past)........michael

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Jim Carter wrote:
> 
> It was interesting that so many of you use two echoplexes
> (echoplicis - can we get an official verdict on this) to
> perform asyncronous loopage.
> 
> What I would like to know now is how you achieve this - hardwarewise.
> Do you just run of two AUX sends on a mixer ?
> Do you use two separate foot controllers?
> Is there an easy way to sync/desync two pair for stereo/asynchronous
> loops?
> 
> At the danger of becoming gearheaded, I would be interested in seeing
> schematics of looper rigs, especially live setups.

I built my own footswitches.  I usually use 3 of them in a live performance.  All 
the footswitches are identical.  Each footswitch functions independently of the others 
and each can control either EDP.  They look alot like the standard EDP with these exceptions:
1) The button labels are larger and are above the buttons rather than below.  The theory is 
that I can see them easier and my foot doesn't cover up the label of the button that I'm 
preparing to press.  2) The record button is bigger than the others; i.e., it protrudes above 
the panel surface about 4 times higher that the other switches.  I find I make less mistakes 
this way.  The other buttons are EXACTLY the same kind as the standard EDP footswitch 
buttons.  3) I added a "Shadow" (sp?) push-on, push-off button in the upper-righthand corner 
and extra 1/4" phone jacks to the back panel.  Each footswitch can control two EDPs (call 
them EDP "A" and EDP "B").  The Shadow switch selects which EDP is controlled.  BTW, I chose 
Shadow switches because they have a nifty, highly visible neon-colored indicator that shows 
which position they're in WITHOUT NEEDING POWER.  Hence, my footswitches are still totally 
passive.  Shadow switches aren't intended to be foot-operated, however, so you shouldn't jump 
up and down on them.  4) Each footswitch has four phone jacks.  Two are labeled "A", are 
wired in parallel, and connect to the "A" EDP.  The other two are likewise in parallel, are 
labeled "B", and connect to the "B" EDP.  I use the duplicate jack to daisy-chain the pedals 
together.  Incidentally, in retrospect I would also install two 1/4" stereo phone jacks so I 
could use stereo phone cords and reduce the number of cables required.



Partial schematic:


                  +--------------+
            +---->|in  EDP A  out|>----------------------+
            |     +--------------+                       |
            |                                            |
            |                                            |
            |     +--------------+                       |
            +---->|in  EDP B  out|>------------------+   |
            |     +--------------+                   |   |
            |                                        |   |
            |                                        |   |
            |                                        |   |
            |      +------------------------+        |   |
            +-----<|aux 1 out               |        |   |
                   |                        |        |   |
                   |                        |        |   |
                   |               chan 1 in|<----------------- microphone 1
                   |                        |        |   |
                   | TASCAM        chan 2 in|<----------------- microphone 2
                   | 1024                   |        |   |
                   | Mixer         chan 3 in|<----------------- microphone 3
                   |                 . . .  |        |   |
                   |                 (etc.) |        |   |
                   |                 . . .  |        |   |
                   |              chan 11 in|<-----------+
                   |                        |        |   
                   |              chan 13 in|<-------+
                   +------------------------+

- Dennis Leas
-- 
dennis@mdbs.com

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http://www.peavey.com/division/mi/keyboards/MIDIcontrollers/pc1600x.html
will take you to the Peavey webpages pertaining to the PC1600x.  Judge for
yourself!

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>my i be so bold as to ask what this PC1600x is and why are a lot of us lusting
>after it.......for some reason i always pass up Peavey when looking at
>equipment (i have no idea where this prejudice comes form, perhaps funky amps
>from my past)........michael
>
>

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>In a message dated 11/11/98 10:50:13 AM Eastern Standard Time, edwin@indra.com
>writes:
>
>>  various props. Another bassist that I have jammed with who does this kind
>>  of thing is Stacey Starkweather of Burlington VT. He is well worth checking
>>  out on all levels. We have a duet we call Bak-O-Bass that reaches all kinds
>>  of outer realms. Most folks who hear it have no idea that it is bass.
>
>Hey Edwin,
>
>Just moved (back) to this area--if only temporarily--and would love to hear
>some of this stuff.  Where/when do you guys play?
>
>As i recall, it was Stacey Starkweather who lent David Torn and Echoplex
>(the old tape kind) for the Polytown sessions back in '93.  I have heard
>some of his recordings, and have been impressed.
>
>Are there any other rural New England/Vermont type loopers out there
>doing their dope thing in these crazy woods?
>
>'Til next time,
>pete k.

Actually, I now live in Boulder CO. We don't get to see each other that
often. Stacey is apparently doing some kind of noise trio in Burlington. I
will be doing some looping at Penny Lane here in Boulder next Wed (18th) as
well as some electric bass/cello classical duets. Some of my work with
Stacey is recorded and if anyone wants to hear it, I can arrange to get it
to you. There is also a 6 minute collage from it and some backwards Shockra
(my old band from Boston) on the CD I did with Skin (my old band from
Boulder).

All the best, All the best, All the best, All the best, All the best, All
the best, All the best, All the best.......

Edwin
PS I also have a tape of collected stuff I did in the 80s (with what I
guess would be manual looping ie. 1/4" tape and a razor blade!) that has
another Burlington luminary, Mike Gordon doing some subharmonic poetry.
It's called Fat Pig.

Edwin Hurwitz
Boulder CO
http://www.indra.com/~edwin


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Is there anything I could add to the faq that would have been more helpful?

kim

>thanks to all of you who replied to my feedback pedal question. I
>looked in the FAQ and had more questions then there were answers
>(about the pedal). Actually, without the FAQ, I would have posted
>lots more questions.
>
>Again, thanks.
>Louis Hesselt-van-Dinter
>editor
>Music Uncovered


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Thanks Brian,
I can recomend electric bird noise as the politest house guests and great fun to
jam with till 3.30 in the morn!
If any body tries the site and has any problems with the Real Audio, please let me
know. I have had one person say that it loaded up the player ( full download)
before it would play.
It works for me but some of you might have experience with browser incompatibility
and such.
thanx ahead,
jeff
http://members.xoom.com/echo17/tbl.html

ENAT21213@aol.com wrote:

> hello all,
> our friend / list member jeff duke has kindly posted some real audio files of
> some of our material from our just released cd.
> there is also a video posted jeff did when we visited his home town of atlanta
> a couple months back. jeff's one of the coolest cats around!
> check it out
>
> http://members.xoom.com/birdnoise/ebn.html
>
> let us know what you think?
> brian mckenzie
>
> available now         electric bird noise (cinematic loop and layered
> instrumental rock)
>                           unleashing the inner robot
>

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Dave,

I checked out your setup as referenced on your profile on 
http://www.vg-8.com.

I noticed you've got a couple of lines going into an SP-808.  Are
you sampling in real-time with it or triggering samples?

Just curious,
Paolo

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Hi all,

I have a pair of Peavey PC1600 midi controllers. I only (rarely) use 
one. I had such big plans! I would like to sell one of them for $200. It 
costs about $45 to upgrade to PC1600x. The PC1600 is already very useful 
without the upgrade. 

My poor EDP has finally made its way to Oberheim (via a local dealer), 
and soon it will be repaired, and I will be billed; so I'm pruning my 
studio tree, fundraising.

My apologies to those of you who find this message inappropriate for our 
mailing list. 

Thanks for your time.

Michael Preston
Baltimore, MD

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Hi Kim,

Source and part numbers for those cheesy little red chinese switches.

thanks,
Randy Jones




---Kim Flint <kflint@annihilist.com> wrote:
>
> Is there anything I could add to the faq that would have been more
helpful?
> 
> kim
> 
> >thanks to all of you who replied to my feedback pedal question. I
> >looked in the FAQ and had more questions then there were answers
> >(about the pedal). Actually, without the FAQ, I would have posted
> >lots more questions.
> >
> >Again, thanks.
> >Louis Hesselt-van-Dinter
> >editor
> >Music Uncovered
> 
> 
> ______________________________________________________________________
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Loopers:

gearhead friend is selling these . . .  any takers?

Korg SDD-2000 sampling digital delay $225

Digitech RDS-8000 $150

let me know if you're interested and I'll give you his particulars

drone on~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Tom

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>ps I agree that its near impossible to work the EDP footcontroller
>with footware but can anyone really recommend walking on a pub floor
>with bare feet? let alone a pub toilet floor? 
>You people must play much classier venues than I ever have.

Not necessarily. For dive gigs in barefeet I have sandals nearby for trips
to the wc.

And with regards to concerns expressed RE: electrocution, we always inspect
our staging areas for wiring problems and cetera. I find that the "funky
power out of the outlet" problem is far more common. Hence an AC regulator.

Cheers! Rico

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excellent info, My bro is something of an electician in band situations and he
always checks the power out. And I should mention thatr I have obtained a very
large carpet, 12  by 20 that I will be using when possible. the carpet has a
rubber backing so....
jeff

Rik Myers wrote:

> >ps I agree that its near impossible to work the EDP footcontroller
> >with footware but can anyone really recommend walking on a pub floor
> >with bare feet? let alone a pub toilet floor?
> >You people must play much classier venues than I ever have.
>
> Not necessarily. For dive gigs in barefeet I have sandals nearby for trips
> to the wc.
>
> And with regards to concerns expressed RE: electrocution, we always inspect
> our staging areas for wiring problems and cetera. I find that the "funky
> power out of the outlet" problem is far more common. Hence an AC regulator.
>
> Cheers! Rico

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I usually avoid Peavey as well.  They haven't earned much of reputation
for quality, but I think it's more hit or miss.  I have a fretless bass
from them that I adore, and I used to have a combo amp from them that was
like a tank.  This seems to be a really well thought out product and
people I know who have it like it a lot.  The only other similar device
I'm aware of is from JLCooper and I've had problems with everything I've
ever used from them.

	Kevin

PS.  Thanks for the tips on finding one everybody.  It seems that American
Music here in Seattle has them, so I'll be picking mine up tomorrow!

> 
> my i be so bold as to ask what this PC1600x is and why are a lot of us lusting
> after it.......for some reason i always pass up Peavey when looking at
> equipment (i have no idea where this prejudice comes form, perhaps funky amps
> from my past)........michael
> 

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By hooking up the brother sync I/O's of two EDP's. and midi out of one to midi
in of the other, one can become a master, and the other a slave...then the
outputs of each can be run to a stereo mixer.

I use a nylon string flamenco guitar outfitted with RMC pickups...to an RMC
fanout box...from there I take the six individual string outputs of the fanout
box (patchbay) to six individual inputs of a Kendrick 6 shooter 6 channel tube
preamp to "warm" the sound....and from the six outputs of the Kendrick, to a 6
channel Behringer stereo sub mixer, where I can adjust and balance individual
string levels and panning for each string , to create a curtain of
sound...from the stereo outs of the Behringer, I go to stereo inputs on a
Presonus Blue Max compressor, (which I kick in for rumba flamenca strums) and
out for leads, when I want my dynamics;  and from the stereo outs of the
bluemax to the two inputs of the two EDP's...from there I go to a AudioPro
AP812 rackmounted Yorkville Powered Mixer, which has 400 watts / side, and 12
channels of inputs...the outputs of the EDP's go to channels one and two of
this mixer...then I can mess with eq's for the top three or bottom three
strings, as well as add resident reverb to the highs and less to the
lows......channel 3, 4, and 5 are generally used for the stereo inputs from
GR-1,GR-30, and VG-8....11 & 12 are for my Marantz combo tape/cd
player/recorder inputs via rca jacks....speakers are Elite Yorkvilles...or for
smaller venues Altec monitors (coaxials)...for bigger events I add two crown
macrotech power amps, with alesis graphic eq, and a Rane crossover to biamp to
an 18" bass speaker and other satellite cabinets.  All the gear is neatly
rackmounted, and I use the same setup for a coffee house gig, or larger
venue...only the speakers and additional power amps are added for the bigger
venues.

An alternate approach I'm considering is putting the EDPs at the end of the
final mixer output....but so far, I've not needed to do that...my main
interest has been in looping the guitar rhythm parts, for solo
performances.....I'm still getting use to the EDP's...I used to use a Jam man
in mono...but didn't like the fact that 2 different loops had to be of the
same length, which was not convenient if I wanted to loop a verse with one
length, and a chorus with yet another....with the EDPs maxed out to 198
seconds....I've got a lot more flexibility.


BTW...one footswitch controller handles both EDP's in sync.

Regards, Wayne

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Weird, man - I've got the "sometimes it sends to the list, sometimes the
member" blues again....  Anyway!

Here's a question for you PC folks out there who are recording into their
PCs.  Which sound cards do you love?  Which do you loathe?  I am more
interested in PCI and further cards than ISA, considering ISA's forthcoming
retirement in 2000.  I've no desire to get into anything over $200, as on a
PC level it's chicanery to charge more than that at this stage, unless it
attaches to proprietary hardware, like an Otari or something.  Which, again,
is out of my desired area of sophistication.  I'm not sure this has to be a
MIDI card, either, though that would seem to be the onboard feature of most
sound cards these days.

I'd appreciate responses via email at study00@earthlight.net, which I will
compile into a nice table if I get enough responses, enabling us both to
learn something, perhaps.  Give me the tech specs of the card in terms of
things like Response, S/N Ratio, Input/Output Jacks, extra features you
think make a difference.  I'd like to put it into a form that is readable by
humans, too. :)

Thanks in advance!

Stephen Goodman
study00@earthlight.net
http://www.earthlight.net/Studios

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>This seems to be a really well thought out product and
>people I know who have it like it a lot.  The only other similar device
>I'm aware of is from JLCooper ....

Kenton Electronics make a similar device called the Control Freak.
Emu make one called the LaunchPad.

Any others?


Simon
Canberra
AUSTRALIA


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In a message dated 11/12/98 8:52:12 PM, you wrote:

<<I noticed you've got a couple of lines going into an SP-808.  Are
you sampling in real-time with it or triggering samples?
>>

Hi, Paolo
Well, it'll do both, but until I get the FC-200 foot controller and experiment
with the MMC options, I won't know how hands-free this can be. At present it's
very much a set-it-up-first kinda deal--easy enough to reach over and hit play
of a pre-recorded sample or assembled track while holding a note on the
guitar, but no realtime record and play back, without letting go of the
guitar. From reading the manuals, it doesn't seem like the system is really
able to do just what I want (duplicate an echoplex digital Pro!), but it may
be close, and I'll certainly report my results on the looper's list.
David

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FYI.  Does anyone have any info on this concert?
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Folks,

I just gave a call to the Park West to see if I could get tickets for the
12/9/98 BLUE concert there, and they told me that they didn't have it on
their concert schedule.  Can anyone provide any additional information on
this?  Has the concert been finalized (or canceled)?

Thanks,

pcw

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> Date:          Thu, 12 Nov 1998 10:55:46 -0800
> From:          Kim Flint <kflint@annihilist.com>
> To:            Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
> Subject:       re: feedback pedal question

> Is there anything I could add to the faq that would have been more helpful?

Kim,
I'm sorry that I didn't mention in my original post that I had read
the FAQ and was a little confused.

The document titled: Oberheim Echoplex Footpedal Tutorial - Version
1.0 - January 5, 1997, states essentially that the EV-5 pedal will
work (even though backwards). The FAQ - Version 8 - June 30, 1998
echoes this information.

What I discovered was that the EV-5 pedal causes the loop to gradually
fade away after about 20 times. Since the FAQ and the Tutorial both
stated that the EV-5 was a good substitute, I was nervous about
spending the money to get another pedal that would only duplicate the
action of the EV-5, which I did not like. Hence, my post.

In reference to the FAQ, would suggest that either the reference to
the EV-5 be removed or that the actual performance of the pedal be
mentioned. Of course, if no one can duplicate what happened to me with
the EV-5, the point is moot. I plan on getting the FV-50L this
afternoon, so if it works like the EV-5, I'll be sure to post that
info.
Louis Hesselt-van-Dinter
editor
Music Uncovered

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I have the stage set up from my summer tour on my web site.  Since then my
rig has changed with every gig, but I'll try and get some best ofs or
something up there soon.

http://www.intonarumori.com/set-up.html


Kevin

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Don't know the Kenton Electronics One.  I thought that the Launchpad was
meant to be a companion to the EMU Dance synths and not a general purpose
MIDI controller.

	Kevin


> 
> >This seems to be a really well thought out product and
> >people I know who have it like it a lot.  The only other similar device
> >I'm aware of is from JLCooper ....
> 
> Kenton Electronics make a similar device called the Control Freak.
> Emu make one called the LaunchPad.
> 
> Any others?
> 
> 
> Simon
> Canberra
> AUSTRALIA
> 
> 

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At 12:37 PM 11/13/98 +0000, you wrote:
>What I discovered was that the EV-5 pedal causes the loop to gradually
>fade away after about 20 times. Since the FAQ and the Tutorial both
>stated that the EV-5 was a good substitute, I was nervous about
>spending the money to get another pedal that would only duplicate the
>action of the EV-5, which I did not like. Hence, my post.
>

It could be that the pot in the pedal is not positioned correctly - pedal
all the way down may not actually have the pot open all the way - hence a
gradual decay in feedback.  I had this problem with a Boss FV-50L - opening
it up and repositioning the pot took care of it.


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dennis@mdbs.com wrote:

The Shadow switch selects which EDP is controlled.  BTW, I chose
>Shadow switches because they have a nifty, highly visible neon-colored
>indicator that shows
>which position they're in WITHOUT NEEDING POWER.


 Nice!!  Where could I get some of these?  I've been using a separate A/B
box, but your setup sounds slick!  I assume that they switch BOTH
conductors, as opposed to just one (with a common ground)?.....

What do you suppose I could use to switch between more than two plexes??...

- chris




---------------------
Chris Chovit
cho@gomez.jpl.nasa.gov


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The Arts Council of Princeton (Princeton, N.J.) and SlackAve.com present
The Music of
Carlton Joseph Wilkinson
featuring
SABRINA BERGER
Violin and Electric 5-string violin
performing the premiere of
My Undoing
for 5-string violin and tape
7:30 p.m. Saturday, Nov. 14, 1998
at the Arts Council of Princeton
102 Witherspoon Street, Princeton, N.J. (609) 924-8777
Admission $10

This is the first of a series of four recitals on the second Saturday of
each month featuring the recent work of Carlton Wilkinson and others, in
performances by

   * Sabrina Berger, violin Nov. 14
   * Stanley Alexadrowicz, guitar Dec. 12
   * Paul Mimlitsch, "tapped strings"/Loops, Jan. 9
   * Wilbo Wright and Deirdre McGrail, Feb. 13

for more information about upcoming recitals call the Arts Council at
the number above, or email Carlton at carwilk@prodigy.net
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hi chris, et al -

i'd also like to know where to get these nifty shadow switches. i have
several box-making projects coming up soon.
please post the info so all of us tech geeks can play!
thanks -

bobdog

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Just wondering if anyone is familiar with the Sony 670 (few years old now) -
want to use this with my EDP.

I have a line on a new one and have a few questions to ask someone familiar
with it.

Thanks in advance

Gerry P
manda@norlink.net

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I'd be interested to hear just how much you like this box even without the
"real-time" functionality you express. Love to read your review, if you have
the time, as I've appreciated your patches and setup from the VG8 list, and
am coming from a somewhat similar place (I use synths and Groovebox too). 
Seems like it opens a lot of creative space for "post" work on real time
loopage for quick remix,  as well as other areas. From things I've read, it
looks like a "must have" the more I think about it. I have a lot of cool
sounds (from Rebirth, Metasynth and SFX Machine,etc) in my Mac that I would
like to have faster access to, and it seems like the SP808 would give great
"useability" to these otherwise "buried" treasures.

Neil Goldstein
Portland, Oregon USA

----------
>From: Dpcoffin@aol.com
>To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
>Subject: Re:  Dpcoffin: Your setup
>Date: Fri, Nov 13, 1998, 10:33 AM
>

>
>In a message dated 11/12/98 8:52:12 PM, you wrote:
>
><<I noticed you've got a couple of lines going into an SP-808.  Are
>you sampling in real-time with it or triggering samples?
>>>
>
>Hi, Paolo
>Well, it'll do both, but until I get the FC-200 foot controller and experiment
>with the MMC options, I won't know how hands-free this can be. At present it's
>very much a set-it-up-first kinda deal--easy enough to reach over and hit play
>of a pre-recorded sample or assembled track while holding a note on the
>guitar, but no realtime record and play back, without letting go of the
>guitar. From reading the manuals, it doesn't seem like the system is really
>able to do just what I want (duplicate an echoplex digital Pro!), but it may
>be close, and I'll certainly report my results on the looper's list.
>David
>

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On Fri, 13 Nov 1998, Stephen P. Goodman wrote:
> Here's a question for you PC folks out there who are recording into their
> PCs.  Which sound cards do you love?  Which do you loathe?  I am more
> interested in PCI and further cards than ISA, considering ISA's forthcoming
> retirement in 2000.  I've no desire to get into anything over $200, as on a
> PC level it's chicanery to charge more than that at this stage, unless it
> attaches to proprietary hardware, like an Otari or something.  Which, again,
> is out of my desired area of sophistication.  I'm not sure this has to be a
> MIDI card, either, though that would seem to be the onboard feature of most
> sound cards these days.


	I'm in the process of trying to pick a soundcard as well
and don't really know where to start, so if any of you are going
to ring in on this, feel free to do so publicly.  I noticed that
a lot of the low-mid range cards seem to go in the $400-600 range.
If I could get away w/ less I'd love to.  One person suggested
to me the Soundblaster "Live" card (around $200).  I'd love to
have access to an outboard mixer, though so as to keep it as
close to my old 4-track roots, though I suspect you run into
money there.

					-nick

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>On Fri, 13 Nov 1998, Stephen P. Goodman wrote:
>> Here's a question for you PC folks out there who are recording into their
>> PCs.  Which sound cards do you love?  Which do you loathe?  I am more
>> interested in PCI and further cards than ISA, considering ISA's forthcoming
>> retirement in 2000.  I've no desire to get into anything over $200, as on a
>> PC level it's chicanery to charge more than that at this stage, unless it
>> attaches to proprietary hardware, like an Otari or something.  Which, again,
>> is out of my desired area of sophistication.  I'm not sure this has to be a
>> MIDI card, either, though that would seem to be the onboard feature of most
>> sound cards these days.
>
>
>	I'm in the process of trying to pick a soundcard as well
>and don't really know where to start, so if any of you are going
>to ring in on this, feel free to do so publicly.  I noticed that
>a lot of the low-mid range cards seem to go in the $400-600 range.
>If I could get away w/ less I'd love to.  One person suggested
>to me the Soundblaster "Live" card (around $200).  I'd love to
>have access to an outboard mixer, though so as to keep it as
>close to my old 4-track roots, though I suspect you run into
>money there.
>
>					-nick

I have a Lucid PCI24 that I got from Bayview pro Audio. It works very
nicely and does sample rate conversion quite well. It even will read my
Sony TCD3 DAT machine at 32khz long play and convert to 44.1! FYI I use it
with a PowerMac 7200/90  although it will run on a PC as well. Anything
with a PCI bus. I use Deck II and Soundedit.

Edwin

Edwin Hurwitz
Boulder CO
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>Don't know the Kenton Electronics One.  I thought that the Launchpad was
>meant to be a companion to the EMU Dance synths and not a general purpose
>MIDI controller.
>
>	Kevin
>
>
>>
>> >This seems to be a really well thought out product and
>> >people I know who have it like it a lot.  The only other similar device
>> >I'm aware of is from JLCooper ....
>>
>> Kenton Electronics make a similar device called the Control Freak.
>> Emu make one called the LaunchPad.
>>
>> Any others?
>>
>>
>> Simon
>> Canberra
>> AUSTRALIA

there is also the Lexicon MRC, which has very extensive MIDI control but
only 4 physical sliders (which can be programmed to be 2 pages of 4 for a
total of 8) as well as 4 button and 2 external inputs.

Edwin

Edwin Hurwitz
Boulder CO
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In a message dated 11/13/98 7:25:57 PM Mid-Atlantic Standard Time,
unitcirc@keys.com writes:

<< http://www.intonarumori.com/set-up.html >>
kevin......thanks for the stage set-up......the rest was a wonderfull
earfull......thanks........michael

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Dear all,

	One majour problem with the Creative Labs cards are that they are inherently
"noisy" and tend to generate a massive amount of "white" noise into any sample
that you are working with...  Yes, if you are recording digitally, you are
still sampling.  I, too have been looking at different sound cards out there,
and I concur with this post, the mid-range prices for musicians tends to be in
the $400.00 to $800.00 price range, with about $1200.00 for the typical top-
notch card that is PCI (and usually IBM PC or Mac PC compliant, but not
necessarily NT compliant).

	A few people out of Digital Guitar Digest, and Midiguitar have suggested the
Yamaha cards, as they tend to be a little less expensive than those of other
manufacturers, usually at about $250.00 to $345.00 with all of the wave table
add-ons.  I may go that route in the beginning, but it just seems to make
better sense to stick with the AWE32Gold (with 28MB cache) that I currently
use, and enjoy, and then get the card set(s) that I really want...

	Big issues to look for in purchasing said card for me are:
	1.  Is it OS compliant?
	2.  Is it hardware compliant to your chipsets on your motherboard?  Is it
compliant to your Processor or Multiple Processors?
	3.  Is it hardware compliant to your other cards in your PC.
	4.  How much and what kind of resources will it chew up?  Same thing applies
to the drivers?  What type of drivers are required by the card?  JavaScript,
*.dll's, Open GL, Active X, DOS, etc...
	5.  Lastly, how compatible is your existing recording software to card's
drivers and possible GUI's?  Some capture boards do some awfully strange
things when they are not used with their respective softwares (especially on a
video level).

	I know that this is not a good representation of either Stephen or Nick, but
it may help none-the less...  

	Haven't found much on the web, yet...  I've just been trying out
www.wmcworld.com and many talks with Brian Meader, www.metacrawler.com using
keywords of ' "audio capture", "sound card", "8 inputs", NT, 95, Linux,
digital, XLR, recording ' to some varying degrees of success...  I'll probably
try out a few other search words and see what more I can come up with...

	Anywho, hope this helps out some...

	Oh, the big thing to do before even starting off in this direction is to go
SCSI II UW in the very least for a more stable platform...  Going EIDE is a
real bad mistake, as you'll actually get lots of speed-ups, halts, and extra
clicks in the recording and play-backs...  Other issues are to look for
Audio/Video Hard Drives, and a good source for me has always been:
www.pricewatch.com  on these items.

	If you're looking to do this live, check out the Syquest Sparq or the Iomega
SCSI ZIP drive, I've found that they have really been happening for me, and
have not crapped out as often as a few HDD's in various computers, mostly Mac
Powerbooks, and the one 650 that just went thermal on me in the middle of a
gig...  Thank the beings of electricity for UNIX and cobbled computers!  :)   

	Another thing to beware of is that if you are trying to press your own disks,
a WORM drive or even a rewritable is not the best way to go, as the sound
quality is definitely not there; output it an ADAT and then take it to a press
house...  It's worth the extra money to have it done correctly.

	Hope this helps out a bit, I'm off the soap box now...

	Lee Barnes  

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After some recent discussion about the Ensoniq DP Pro I decided to 
investigate the looping capabilities a bit more closely.

One of the best features of the 2.6 sec. looper algorhythm is the "fade 
time" parameter which adjusts crossfade between the beg. & end of the 
loop. This parameter can be set up to 100% of the looptime, creating 
seamless loops.

Combined with the ability to adjust the playback speed down to 1% of the 
original, and up to 16x faster (in either forward or reverse) more than 
makes up for the short loop time (IMO).

It's a drag Ensoniq never developed the digital Interface & the 24 bit 
A/D - D/A converters...

jmw

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>Don't know the Kenton Electronics One.

Check it at...
http://www.kenton.co.uk/


>I thought that the Launchpad was
>meant to be a companion to the EMU Dance synths and not a general purpose
>MIDI controller.

I think that the LaunchPad was originally intended as a controller for the
Emu Orbit sound module, but all controls on the LaunchPad are assignable,
I'm using the LaunchPad with an Emu E6400 sampler. It can be used with
other MIDI gear as well, as most (if not all) sliders and buttons on the
LaunchPad can be assigned to whatever MIDI controller numbers you desire.

- 4 assignable sliders, plus assignable expression pedal input.
- Pitch wheel and Modulation (assignable) slider.
- One octave velocity sensitive 'drum pad' keyboard (+5 ocatave, -4 ocatve
transposition range).
- Assignable trigger/transport control buttons.
- MIDI clock output.
- MIDI machine control.
- MIDI merge the MIDI input with LauchPad MIDI data.
+ more.


Simon
Canberra
AUSTRALIA


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In a message dated 11/12/98 8:09:30 AM, Jim.Carter@bristol.ac.uk writes:

>It was interesting that so many of you use two echoplexes 
>(echoplicis - can we get an official verdict on this) to
>perform asyncronous loopage.

That should be Echoplexi.

Marshall (thinking about a second one, oh yeah.....)

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I use a Rolls MIDI Wizard. It features 8 CV inputs which can send
continuous controller information via MIDI. 


At 12:24 PM 11/14/98 -0700, you wrote:
>>Don't know the Kenton Electronics One.  I thought that the Launchpad was
>>meant to be a companion to the EMU Dance synths and not a general purpose
>>MIDI controller.
>>
>>	Kevin
>>
>>
>>>
>>> >This seems to be a really well thought out product and
>>> >people I know who have it like it a lot.  The only other similar device
>>> >I'm aware of is from JLCooper ....
>>>
>>> Kenton Electronics make a similar device called the Control Freak.
>>> Emu make one called the LaunchPad.
>>>
>>> Any others?
>>>
>>>
>>> Simon
>>> Canberra
>>> AUSTRALIA
>
>there is also the Lexicon MRC, which has very extensive MIDI control but
>only 4 physical sliders (which can be programmed to be 2 pages of 4 for a
>total of 8) as well as 4 button and 2 external inputs.
>
>Edwin
>
>Edwin Hurwitz
>Boulder CO
>http://www.indra.com/~edwin
>
>
>
>

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At 6:46 PM -0800 11/15/98, Marzzz@aol.com wrote:
>In a message dated 11/12/98 8:09:30 AM, Jim.Carter@bristol.ac.uk writes:
>
>>It was interesting that so many of you use two echoplexes
>>(echoplicis - can we get an official verdict on this) to
>>perform asyncronous loopage.
>
>That should be Echoplexi.

nope, he had it right, "echoplicis".  Dan Howarth provided us this
education over two years ago:

At 12:23 AM -0800 10/4/96, Dan Howarth wrote:
>well, well... i think the word we're looking for here is 'echoplicis' -
>from '-plex,-plicis'- it's a suffix usually formed from numeric words;
>more or less like saying '-fold' as in 'hundred-fold'.


kim

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kim:
>nope, he had it right, "echoplicis".  Dan Howarth provided us this
>education over two years ago:
>
>At 12:23 AM -0800 10/4/96, Dan Howarth wrote:
>>well, well... i think the word we're looking for here is 'echoplicis' -
>>from '-plex,-plicis'- it's a suffix usually formed from numeric words;
>>more or less like saying '-fold' as in 'hundred-fold'.

The only similar word that pops into my head
is the word "simplex" (from mathematics), whose
plural is "simplices", at least in the mathematics
community.  (www.m-w.com offers "simplexes",
"simplices", or "simplicia"--but no "simplicis".)

The only terms of the form Dan Howarth described
that I can find in a dictionary are "duplex",
"triplex", and "multiplex", but m-w is silent
on the possibility of plurals.

I hope this doesn't perplex!

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In a message dated 11/15/98 10:15:00 PM, kflint@annihilist.com writes:

<<>>It was interesting that so many of you use two echoplexes
>>(echoplicis - can we get an official verdict on this) to
>>perform asyncronous loopage.
>
>That should be Echoplexi.

nope, he had it right, "echoplicis".  Dan Howarth provided us this
education over two years ago:>>

Hmmmmm....you may be right. On reconsideration, "plexi" is the plural of
"plexus," not "plex."

Echoplexes?

Marshall

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There's also "index" and "indices" --

At 06:59 AM 11/16/98 -0500, you wrote:
>kim:
>>nope, he had it right, "echoplicis".  Dan Howarth provided us this
>>education over two years ago:
>>
>>At 12:23 AM -0800 10/4/96, Dan Howarth wrote:
>>>well, well... i think the word we're looking for here is 'echoplicis' -
>>>from '-plex,-plicis'- it's a suffix usually formed from numeric words;
>>>more or less like saying '-fold' as in 'hundred-fold'.
>
>The only similar word that pops into my head
>is the word "simplex" (from mathematics), whose
>plural is "simplices", at least in the mathematics
>community.  (www.m-w.com offers "simplexes",
>"simplices", or "simplicia"--but no "simplicis".)
>
>The only terms of the form Dan Howarth described
>that I can find in a dictionary are "duplex",
>"triplex", and "multiplex", but m-w is silent
>on the possibility of plurals.
>
>I hope this doesn't perplex!
>
>
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According to a website for a Z Vex dealer (Tone Frenzy), the company is now
working on a 20-second analog looper called the "Low-Fi Loop Junkie".  

Ken R

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Dear all,

I may have found a good solution and it is not that expensive for what it
does...  Check  out this pair of sites in the UK.
http://www.yamaha.co.uk/xg/html/products/p_sw1k.htm

http://www.yamaha.co.uk/xg/html/products/p_phatb.htm

and this one in the US:
http://www.synthzone.com/sndcard.htm


Sincerely,

Lee Barnes

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Not to mention "matrix" and "matrices"





Howard Harawitz <howard@brooknorth.com> on 11/16/98 10:54:30 AM

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There's also "index" and "indices" --

At 06:59 AM 11/16/98 -0500, you wrote:
>kim:
>>nope, he had it right, "echoplicis".  Dan Howarth provided us this
>>education over two years ago:
>>
>>At 12:23 AM -0800 10/4/96, Dan Howarth wrote:
>>>well, well... i think the word we're looking for here is 'echoplicis' -
>>>from '-plex,-plicis'- it's a suffix usually formed from numeric words;
>>>more or less like saying '-fold' as in 'hundred-fold'.
>
>The only similar word that pops into my head
>is the word "simplex" (from mathematics), whose
>plural is "simplices", at least in the mathematics
>community.  (www.m-w.com offers "simplexes",
>"simplices", or "simplicia"--but no "simplicis".)
>
>The only terms of the form Dan Howarth described
>that I can find in a dictionary are "duplex",
>"triplex", and "multiplex", but m-w is silent
>on the possibility of plurals.
>
>I hope this doesn't perplex!
>
>
==========================================================
Howard Harawitz      howard@brooknorth.com
==========================================================
Brooklyn North Software Works Inc.
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada
Telephone: 1-902-423-0257
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thats just great, now I need even more cash, I have such a gear Kong on my
back.
jeff

KRosser414@aol.com wrote:

> According to a website for a Z Vex dealer (Tone Frenzy), the company is now
> working on a 20-second analog looper called the "Low-Fi Loop Junkie".
>
> Ken R

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Last time I was at Emu, they were blowing out the LaunchPad at $199 (i
think...?).  Check the "Factory Store" at their website...

Jim Lanpheer



Simon wrote:
> 
> >Don't know the Kenton Electronics One.
> 
> Check it at...
> http://www.kenton.co.uk/
> 
> >I thought that the Launchpad was
> >meant to be a companion to the EMU Dance synths and not a general purpose
> >MIDI controller.
> 
> I think that the LaunchPad was originally intended as a controller for the
> Emu Orbit sound module, but all controls on the LaunchPad are assignable,
> I'm using the LaunchPad with an Emu E6400 sampler. It can be used with
> other MIDI gear as well, as most (if not all) sliders and buttons on the
> LaunchPad can be assigned to whatever MIDI controller numbers you desire.
> 
> - 4 assignable sliders, plus assignable expression pedal input.
> - Pitch wheel and Modulation (assignable) slider.
> - One octave velocity sensitive 'drum pad' keyboard (+5 ocatave, -4 ocatve
> transposition range).
> - Assignable trigger/transport control buttons.
> - MIDI clock output.
> - MIDI machine control.
> - MIDI merge the MIDI input with LauchPad MIDI data.
> + more.
> 
> Simon
> Canberra
> AUSTRALIA

-- 
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Hi all,

I'm looking for a new looper.  I've been using a Sony D-7 delay, which has
lots of cool and weird multitap effects, but only 2.6 seconds of delay time
and a lot of hum.

I've checked out a DOD Dimension 12.  It has 12 seconds of delay time.  The
sampler features are kinda useless, as pointed out on this list - you can't
overdub.  It might be useful as a way to capture and trigger loops made
with other gizmos.  In delay mode it's usable for looping.  The tap tempo
feature is nice.  But a 100%-regen loop has a way of gradually losing all
of its high end, which really bothers me (is this an inherent flaw in many
designs?  The Sony doesn't seem to have this limitation.  Maybe a cheap
feedback implementation is done in the analog realm and a good one is done
digitally.  Or perhaps the DOD's regen knob only goes up to 0.997 and all
those multiplications gradually remove the high frequencies, I dunno.)

The EDP looks nice but is more than I want to spend.  A JamMan looks like
it would do the job, but prices on used ones seem to have gone through the
roof.

I'd be happy with 20 seconds of delay time with good fidelity, ideally with
MIDI control over the delay time and feedback.  The ability to have
multiple loops is not a big deal, though maybe I'd grow to like it.

I plan to check out Ken Mistove's Max-based thang (sounds great!), but at
the moment I'm focused on finding something to carry around with me (and
not a PowerBook).

I'd appreciate any pointers.

Thanks

Doug


--
Doug Wyatt                             doug@sonosphere.com
Sonosphere (electric/improv music)     http://www.sonosphere.com/


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I contend that the word to describe multiple EDP is simply "echoplex". Like
sheep, fish, or popcorn.

-Chuck Zwicky


At 11:54 AM 11/16/98 -0400, you wrote:
>There's also "index" and "indices" --
>
>At 06:59 AM 11/16/98 -0500, you wrote:
>>kim:
>>>nope, he had it right, "echoplicis".  Dan Howarth provided us this
>>>education over two years ago:
>>>
>>>At 12:23 AM -0800 10/4/96, Dan Howarth wrote:
>>>>well, well... i think the word we're looking for here is 'echoplicis' -
>>>>from '-plex,-plicis'- it's a suffix usually formed from numeric words;
>>>>more or less like saying '-fold' as in 'hundred-fold'.
>>
>>The only similar word that pops into my head
>>is the word "simplex" (from mathematics), whose
>>plural is "simplices", at least in the mathematics
>>community.  (www.m-w.com offers "simplexes",
>>"simplices", or "simplicia"--but no "simplicis".)
>>
>>The only terms of the form Dan Howarth described
>>that I can find in a dictionary are "duplex",
>>"triplex", and "multiplex", but m-w is silent
>>on the possibility of plurals.
>>
>>I hope this doesn't perplex!
>>
>>
>==========================================================
>Howard Harawitz      howard@brooknorth.com              
>==========================================================
>Brooklyn North Software Works Inc.
>Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada 
>Telephone: 1-902-423-0257
>==========================================================
>Check the Halifax Harbor Cam: http://www.brooknorth.com/camsite/
>
>
>

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Hey, SF Bay Area loopfolks,

I'm having a big party Sat, Nov 21. If any of you want to come, let me know
privately and I'll get you details.

Live looping and generally getting looped will be encouraged, naturally.
Should be fun....

kim

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doug.......take a look at a boomerang......."simple" is the oprative
word.......michael

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Yes, the LaunchPad still is $199US from the factory direct sales on the Emu
web site, that's why I bought one, a lot cheaper than the local retail
price.

But I am going to buy a Peavey PC1600x as well!

Simon
Canberra
AUSTRALIA


>Last time I was at Emu, they were blowing out the LaunchPad at $199 (i
>think...?).  Check the "Factory Store" at their website...
>
>Jim Lanpheer
>
>
>
>Simon wrote:
>>
>> >Don't know the Kenton Electronics One.
>>
>> Check it at...
>> http://www.kenton.co.uk/
>>
>> >I thought that the Launchpad was
>> >meant to be a companion to the EMU Dance synths and not a general purpos=
e
>> >MIDI controller.
>>
>> I think that the LaunchPad was originally intended as a controller for th=
e
>> Emu Orbit sound module, but all controls on the LaunchPad are assignable,
>> I'm using the LaunchPad with an Emu E6400 sampler. It can be used with
>> other MIDI gear as well, as most (if not all) sliders and buttons on the
>> LaunchPad can be assigned to whatever MIDI controller numbers you desire.
>>
>> - 4 assignable sliders, plus assignable expression pedal input.
>> - Pitch wheel and Modulation (assignable) slider.
>> - One octave velocity sensitive 'drum pad' keyboard (+5 ocatave, -4 ocatv=
e
>> transposition range).
>> - Assignable trigger/transport control buttons.
>> - MIDI clock output.
>> - MIDI machine control.
>> - MIDI merge the MIDI input with LauchPad MIDI data.
>> + more.
>>
>> Simon
>> Canberra
>> AUSTRALIA
>
>--
>=D0=CF=11=E0=A1=B1=1A=E1



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here here! check out the boomerang: cheap (relatively), easy, fun, built
like a tank.

bobdog

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hi all, 

recently spotted a cheap spx1000 (with no manual)... seems to have the typical
10 billion effects---one was called "freeze" which i guess is a looper (the
parameters went record-overdub-etc) the delay time for that went up to 5400ms
but i saw some things go up to ungodly times---the hall reverb decay went up
to 240 seconds (a pretty big hall one would reckon)...

anyone out there use/know of this device? i cant get that much info off
yamaha's site... is 5.4secs the max? (even so it still would be pretty useable)

cheers, brad

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And I up and left Berkeley in 1981...

I don't suppose that there will be a loopers party in the Halifax area
anytime soon.

Oh, well...

At 05:49 PM 11/16/98 -0800, you wrote:
>Hey, SF Bay Area loopfolks,
>
>I'm having a big party Sat, Nov 21. If any of you want to come, let me know
>privately and I'll get you details.
>
>Live looping and generally getting looped will be encouraged, naturally.
>Should be fun....
>
>kim

==========================================================
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==========================================================
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Telephone: 1-902-423-0257
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Chris Chovit wrote:
> 
> dennis@mdbs.com wrote:
> 
> The Shadow switch selects which EDP is controlled.  BTW, I chose
> >Shadow switches because they have a nifty, highly visible neon-colored
> >indicator that shows
> >which position they're in WITHOUT NEEDING POWER.
> 
>  Nice!!  Where could I get some of these?  I've been using a separate A/B
> box, but your setup sounds slick!  I assume that they switch BOTH
> conductors, as opposed to just one (with a common ground)?.....

I mispelled the name, actually.  They're called "Schadow" switch and they're 
manufactured by ITT Cannon.  I bought them through GC Electronics.  In the GC 
Electronics catalog number GC-00CG-6567 they're listed under catalog number 35-490 and 
are called "Power Pushbutton Switch".  They're a little pricey, around $20.

I suppose you could set them up to switch both conductors.  They're DPDT.  I don't 
know why you would need to switch both conductors.  I switch only one and have never 
had any problems.

> 
> What do you suppose I could use to switch between more than two plexes??...

A good question...

- Dennis Leas
-- 
dennis@mdbs.com

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PS to my Korg DL8000R post:
FYI, there's a schematic of the way I have my DL delay and other effects set
up in my studio, using a couple of mixers, etc. at:
 vg-8.com, under Users, David Coffin. 
This is NOT a portable system, but it's a very flexible one for real-time,
hands-free performance and spontaneous interaction (sort of a budget
SWITCHBLADE emulation...)
dpc

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Consider a Korg DL8000R (street US$380-400): 10 sec mono looping, 5 sec
stereo, lots of editing options, user presets and full MIDI imp., and cool
multi-tap rhythm presets. Add a volume pedal in front for delay send and an
expression pedal to control feedback. Works great, very hi-fi, but with
filters if you want lo...
dpc

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Thanks for the advice.  It definitely opens up the creative =
possibilities.  I'm currently using the foot controller from my old gsp =
21 and it works out great.  do you have other suggestions on current =
stand alone units.=20

thanks again=20

John


-----Original Message-----
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Sent:	Wednesday, November 11, 1998 1:12 PM
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>Does any one have any suggestions for pedals to use w/ the jamman/ =
vortex.
>I have noticed some incompatibility with some pedals so any input would
>be greatly appreciated.
>
>thanks in advance
>
>John

I found the best way was via MIDI as this opens up all of the Jam Man's
potential.

Patrick

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In a message dated 11/16/98 8:16:16 PM Central Standard Time,
kflint@annihilist.com writes:

<< I'm having a big party Sat, Nov 21. If any of you want to come, let me know
 privately and I'll get you details.
  >>
Excuse ME, but can we please keep the posts on this list ON TOPIC?
(stamping foot)
Really!


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kflint@annihilist.com writes:
>> I'm having a big party Sat, Nov 21. If any of you want to come, let me know
>> privately and I'll get you details.

> - Crossedout@aol.com *with tongue planted firmly in cheek*
> Excuse ME, but can we please keep the posts on this list ON TOPIC? (stamping 
> foot) Really!

I LOOP! Therefore, I have more time left to party ...

-m

"The usual distractions!... blah, blah ... "

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At 06:27 PM 11/17/98 EST, you wrote:
>In a message dated 11/16/98 8:16:16 PM Central Standard Time,
>kflint@annihilist.com writes:
>
><< I'm having a big party Sat, Nov 21. If any of you want to come, let me know
> privately and I'll get you details.
>  >>
>Excuse ME, but can we please keep the posts on this list ON TOPIC?
>(stamping foot)
>Really!
>

I heard some rumor that there might be not-yet-released echpolex software at
this party.  How's that?

kim
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Although I've had my Echoplex for almost a year, I've
yet to buy a foot controller. I've been getting by with
a couple of sustain pedals. I have an X-15 controller,
but only one of its switches can be programmed to act
as a momentary switch. I don't like the feel of the 
switches for looping purposes anyway. I'm hesitant to
buy the Oberheim controller since it is single purpose
and I would like more bang for my buck. So here's my
question: Has anyone tried the Roland PK-5 pedalboard
with the Echoplex? Based on what little I've read, it
seems ideal. Thirteen momentary switches sending midi
note on & off messages, and since it's midi, I could
use it with my GR-1 or Yamaha keyboard. I could not
find anything on this in the archives & I'm a new
subscriber, so I hope this is something that hasn't
been covered ad nauseum.
	Greetings from Newnan, Georgia! The pit-stop for
FDR & Jimmy Carter.


  
==
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I have a question for you all.
Id like to find a soft (on mac) allowing me to burn a CD as it is on the
original.
My point: I working on a ballet. The people want to insert a few tracks of the
firebird (Stravinski). Trouble, with my softs, Toast inserts 2 seconds blank
each track change, and with jam I have to extract audio, make a new play
list..... etc.
Is there a soft that will just copy the tracks as they are???

Olivier Malhomme

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hi all,

i'm not sure if sonic foundry's cd architect will run on mac.  if it 
does, then it will do what you want... and a whole lot more.  it's 
relatively expensive, but you get it for free when you buy one of the 
event sister soundcards...  which may be ultimately cheaper.

matt



>Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 11:17:04 +0100
>From: Malhomme <malhomme@vete.ucl.ac.be>
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>
>I have a question for you all.
>Id like to find a soft (on mac) allowing me to burn a CD as it is on 
the
>original.
>My point: I working on a ballet. The people want to insert a few tracks 
of the
>firebird (Stravinski). Trouble, with my softs, Toast inserts 2 seconds 
blank
>each track change, and with jam I have to extract audio, make a new 
play
>list..... etc.
>Is there a soft that will just copy the tracks as they are???
>
>Olivier Malhomme
>



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Has anyone used the Dr. Sample by roland?  I'm
interested but am wary after being duped by roland before with the GR1.




---Howard Harawitz <howard@brooknorth.com> wrote:
>
> Roland has a DJ sampler too. In fact there are several of these
things on
> the market by Alesis, Yamaha and others.
> 
> Does anyone on the list have any comments about using these things
and how
> they compare to delay devices like the EDP for looping?
> 
> 
> At 02:11 AM 11/8/98 EST, you wrote:
> >From the most recent Sweetwater "InSync" online newsletter:
> ><<New in stock at Sweetwater Sound: The ultimate new DJ tool, the
Sony
> MDSDRE1
> >has arrived. It's a MiniDisc-based platform with sampling trigger
banks and
> >all sorts of instant looping and scratching features, including the
> >obligatory big rubber scratch wheel. Speed and pitch can be adjusted
> >independent of one another or together via a very simple dual slider
> >mechanism. The neat thing is that with their ATRAC compression
technology
> >it's easy to record any performance you do right back to a MiniDisc
and have
> >it ready to play instantly - all in real time. An experienced DJ
could
> >really work some magic with this thing. Retail price $1200.>>
> >So, I wonder if it can be controlled with a foot switch?
> >dpc
> >
> >
> ==========================================================
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> ==========================================================
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> Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada 
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hi olivier -
i have had that exact problem. some things to try:

    1) if your internal cd-rom is scsi, try making a scsi image copy
w/toast (mine is eide, so i can't do this...)

    2) try altering the pause in toast by clicking on the pause &
changing the "2" to a "0". if you get an alert box explaining that you
can't do this, leave the 2 second pause before the first track alone &
try changing all the others. (i use a panasonic 7502 & this doesn't work
on it, but perhaps it will on yours.)

    3) you may just have to deal with the hassle of using toast
extractor.

i know that there are a folks on this list who are smarter than me about
this sort of  thing (perhaps travis h.), so maybe the right answer will
appear. good luck,

bobdog

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hi all -

i don't think sonic foundry makes mac compatible versions of their
software; i wish they would. the question should be "why not?", alot of
folks doing computer audio are mac based, right? golly, don't get me
started...

if i'm wrong, please tell me because i would *love* to use their cd
architect & noise reduction!

bobdog

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I bought one of these a few months back.  And to tell you the truth I'd
probably be a bit frustrated with it if I didn't already have the
echoplex to use in conjunction with it.  You may want to hear from
someone who only uses the Dr. Sample.

I found it great for taking drum samples, spoken word phrases, or short
vocal samples.  You can then manipulate them by changing pitch,
time-stretch, add delay, or can filter them using two different
envelopes.  You cannot overdub . You can play up to four samples at
once, as long as you do not use any effects.  You can sample using the
two RCA jacks or the built-in mike.  The samples remain after you shut
the power off.

Sampling is easy to do and the BPM feature lets you come *close* to
syncing it up to other rhythms - at least for a few bars - it does have
a tendency to drift a bit.  I haven't used its MIDI applications yet but
I've been led to understand that they're rather limited.

With the standard factory memory you can get up to 16 samples stored at
once in two banks that are triggered by 8 pads, but at 12.5 seconds (if
you want top quality samples) they will be VERY short.  A huge drawback
is that most of the effects can only be used with its internal memory.
If you buy the pricey memory cards you get two more banks to sample with
and a lot more sample time.  You can still change the pitch but not the
time.  Nor can you add delay.  You can still filter the samples, though,
which is great fun.

I have a convoluted way of using it.  I will often take a sample on the
EDP, and re-sample to the Doctor.  Then I'll manipulate it to my heart's
content .  After sending it to the EDP again, I will then overdub using
the manipulated sample, which will be copied to other loops only to be
overdubbed some more.

Overall I'd say it is worth the $300, depending on what you want to do
with it.  I plan on writing a more detailed review of the unit for the
Tools page when I have a spare moment.....

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	dan sumner [SMTP:permadan@yahoo.com]
> Sent:	Wednesday, November 18, 1998 10:28 AM
> To:	TRUPOLO@rizzoliusa.com
> Subject:	roland dr. sample
> 
> Has anyone used the Dr. Sample by roland?  I'm
> interested but am wary after being duped by roland before with the
> GR1.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ---Howard Harawitz <howard@brooknorth.com> wrote:
> >
> > Roland has a DJ sampler too. In fact there are several of these
> things on
> > the market by Alesis, Yamaha and others.
> > 
> > Does anyone on the list have any comments about using these things
> and how
> > they compare to delay devices like the EDP for looping?
> > 
> > 
> > At 02:11 AM 11/8/98 EST, you wrote:
> > >From the most recent Sweetwater "InSync" online newsletter:
> > ><<New in stock at Sweetwater Sound: The ultimate new DJ tool, the
> Sony
> > MDSDRE1
> > >has arrived. It's a MiniDisc-based platform with sampling trigger
> banks and
> > >all sorts of instant looping and scratching features, including the
> > >obligatory big rubber scratch wheel. Speed and pitch can be
> adjusted
> > >independent of one another or together via a very simple dual
> slider
> > >mechanism. The neat thing is that with their ATRAC compression
> technology
> > >it's easy to record any performance you do right back to a MiniDisc
> and have
> > >it ready to play instantly - all in real time. An experienced DJ
> could
> > >really work some magic with this thing. Retail price $1200.>>
> > >So, I wonder if it can be controlled with a foot switch?
> > >dpc
> > >
> > >
> > ==========================================================
> > Howard Harawitz      howard@brooknorth.com              
> > ==========================================================
> > Brooklyn North Software Works Inc.
> > Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada 
> > Telephone: 1-902-423-0257
> > ==========================================================
> > Check the Halifax Harbor Cam: http://www.brooknorth.com/camsite/
> > 
> > 
> 
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I do believe that police scanner nut, Scanner uses one of these on some new
stuff he's doing. Maybe this can help a little.
Jeff Collins

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To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com <Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com>
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Subject: RE: Roland Dr. Sample


>I bought one of these a few months back.  And to tell you the truth I'd
>probably be a bit frustrated with it if I didn't already have the
>echoplex to use in conjunction with it.  You may want to hear from
>someone who only uses the Dr. Sample.
>
>I found it great for taking drum samples, spoken word phrases, or short
>vocal samples.  You can then manipulate them by changing pitch,
>time-stretch, add delay, or can filter them using two different
>envelopes.  You cannot overdub . You can play up to four samples at
>once, as long as you do not use any effects.  You can sample using the
>two RCA jacks or the built-in mike.  The samples remain after you shut
>the power off.
>
>Sampling is easy to do and the BPM feature lets you come *close* to
>syncing it up to other rhythms - at least for a few bars - it does have
>a tendency to drift a bit.  I haven't used its MIDI applications yet but
>I've been led to understand that they're rather limited.
>
>With the standard factory memory you can get up to 16 samples stored at
>once in two banks that are triggered by 8 pads, but at 12.5 seconds (if
>you want top quality samples) they will be VERY short.  A huge drawback
>is that most of the effects can only be used with its internal memory.
>If you buy the pricey memory cards you get two more banks to sample with
>and a lot more sample time.  You can still change the pitch but not the
>time.  Nor can you add delay.  You can still filter the samples, though,
>which is great fun.
>
>I have a convoluted way of using it.  I will often take a sample on the
>EDP, and re-sample to the Doctor.  Then I'll manipulate it to my heart's
>content .  After sending it to the EDP again, I will then overdub using
>the manipulated sample, which will be copied to other loops only to be
>overdubbed some more.
>
>Overall I'd say it is worth the $300, depending on what you want to do
>with it.  I plan on writing a more detailed review of the unit for the
>Tools page when I have a spare moment.....
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: dan sumner [SMTP:permadan@yahoo.com]
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 1998 10:28 AM
>> To: TRUPOLO@rizzoliusa.com
>> Subject: roland dr. sample
>>
>> Has anyone used the Dr. Sample by roland?  I'm
>> interested but am wary after being duped by roland before with the
>> GR1.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ---Howard Harawitz <howard@brooknorth.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > Roland has a DJ sampler too. In fact there are several of these
>> things on
>> > the market by Alesis, Yamaha and others.
>> >
>> > Does anyone on the list have any comments about using these things
>> and how
>> > they compare to delay devices like the EDP for looping?
>> >
>> >
>> > At 02:11 AM 11/8/98 EST, you wrote:
>> > >From the most recent Sweetwater "InSync" online newsletter:
>> > ><<New in stock at Sweetwater Sound: The ultimate new DJ tool, the
>> Sony
>> > MDSDRE1
>> > >has arrived. It's a MiniDisc-based platform with sampling trigger
>> banks and
>> > >all sorts of instant looping and scratching features, including the
>> > >obligatory big rubber scratch wheel. Speed and pitch can be
>> adjusted
>> > >independent of one another or together via a very simple dual
>> slider
>> > >mechanism. The neat thing is that with their ATRAC compression
>> technology
>> > >it's easy to record any performance you do right back to a MiniDisc
>> and have
>> > >it ready to play instantly - all in real time. An experienced DJ
>> could
>> > >really work some magic with this thing. Retail price $1200.>>
>> > >So, I wonder if it can be controlled with a foot switch?
>> > >dpc
>> > >
>> > >
>> > ==========================================================
>> > Howard Harawitz      howard@brooknorth.com
>> > ==========================================================
>> > Brooklyn North Software Works Inc.
>> > Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada
>> > Telephone: 1-902-423-0257
>> > ==========================================================
>> > Check the Halifax Harbor Cam: http://www.brooknorth.com/camsite/
>> >
>> >
>>
>> _________________________________________________________
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>> Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
>
>

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>Has anyone used the Dr. Sample by roland?  I'm
>interested but am wary after being duped by roland before with the GR1.

Hey Dan, what do mean about being duped with the GR1? Just curious...I have
one, like it, play it alot (mostly synth pads) in conjunction with the VG-8.

Hasta -> Rik

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>I have a question for you all.
>Id like to find a soft (on mac) allowing me to burn a CD as it is on the
>original.
>My point: I working on a ballet. The people want to insert a few tracks of the
>firebird (Stravinski). Trouble, with my softs, Toast inserts 2 seconds blank
>each track change, and with jam I have to extract audio, make a new play
>list..... etc.
>Is there a soft that will just copy the tracks as they are???

Can't you set Toast to put a zero second gap between tracks, but it will
still have an auidble click if sound is playing between the tracks. You
could use Toast to do a SCSI copy from the Mac internal CDROM drive to the
CDR drive, if you have a SCSI internal CDROM drive. But this will still put
a very short gap between tracks, only noticable if you have sound that
plays over the track gaps, this is because Toast only copies in
track-at-once mode and turns the CDR laser off between tracks.

With Jam, you use the Toast Audio Extractor and save the extracted image as
a Jam playlist file, you choose this filetype from the options menu. Then
you shouldn't have to make a new playlist when you load it into Jam.

As for doing an exact CD to CDR copy of an audio CD, in disc-at-once mode
without any gaps at all, I don't know of any Mac software that will do it
without extracting first!


Hope this helps,
Simon
Canberra
AUSTRALIA


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In a message dated 11/18/98 11:40:29 PM Mid-Atlantic Standard Time,
TRUPOLO@rizzoliusa.com writes:

<<  You can still filter the samples, though,
 which is great fun. >>
this concept of filtering a sample sounds wonderful........but would someone
care to tell me what it means to "filter the samples"......lets say i have a 5
sec. vocal sample in my rang or edp or jammie----> then what
happens.......where can i send this signal and what can i do with it to
"filter the samples"? just wonderin'............michael
p.s. thanks for the review on the Dr. Sample

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I want to express my thaks to everyoone who helped me on this question of blanks
in cd files burning.

I just wanted also to stretch this: I have recently rediscovered the use of the
E-bow on my fretless guitar. While it was something I used in the past, iI had
somehow let it down for a while.

I couldn't stop looping rhythm parts on singing E-bowed voices. You get the best
of all world: the attack, the sound and the sustain with the ability to raise
volume in a middle of a sustained note.

AH! pradise paradise.....


Olivier Mlahomme

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What you need is Adaptec Jam, not Toast.  Jam is more suited to 
audio CD burning and setting up of index marks and timings, as
Jam is more of a straight burning software that is used for the
backup of software, and it can do audio but not nearly as nicely
as Jam can.  What you need is Adaptec Jam.



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	>>but would someone care to tell me what it means to "filter the
samples?"

I can't give you a true technical definition of a filter, but in the
case of Dr. Sample there are two different waveforms called envelopes
that filter out the high end of whatever sound you put through it.  You
can sweep the amount of highs cut by turning the knob.  This effect is
heard just about anywhere but it is especially prevalent in
house/techno, drum'n'bass, trip hop, etc.

I think I've read someplace that you can route a signal through the Dr.
Sample to use the effect, without actually sampling the sound first.  My
setup is too convoluted for me to use it as an effect device, so I
haven't attempted to use it that way (yet.)

For anyone who wants a variety of opinions on the unit, there are plenty
of comments on the Dr. Sample at www.the-gas-station.com.  Click on the
new reviews section and look for the boss/roland sp-202.

> -----Original Message-----
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> 
> In a message dated 11/18/98 11:40:29 PM Mid-Atlantic Standard Time,
> TRUPOLO@rizzoliusa.com writes:
> 
> <<  You can still filter the samples, though,
>  which is great fun. >>
> this concept of filtering a sample sounds wonderful........but would
> someone
> care to tell me what it means to "filter the samples"......lets say i
> have a 5
> sec. vocal sample in my rang or edp or jammie----> then what
> happens.......where can i send this signal and what can i do with it
> to
> "filter the samples"? just wonderin'............michael
> p.s. thanks for the review on the Dr. Sample

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Adaptec Jam will let you do crossfades between audio tracks.  You can set 
the fade time, make it a hard-edit, etc.

Travis Hartnett

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Something that I've found that is absolutely amazing for filtering is 
the Waldorf 4-pole.  It's small, easy to use, and you can filter ANY 
audio signal that you patch into it via a 1/4" jack.  I use it on my 
tablas before I run them through the echoplex.  Check it out at: 
http://www.waldorf-gmbh.de/4pole/4pole.html

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Dan Bartell wrote:
>> 
>> Something that I've found that is absolutely amazing for filtering is
>> the Waldorf 4-pole.  It's small, easy to use, and you can filter ANY
>> audio signal that you patch into it via a 1/4" jack.  I use it on my
>> tablas before I run them through the echoplex.  Check it out at:
>> http://www.waldorf-gmbh.de/4pole/4pole.html

>So, you said the magic word, "tablas".  You got my interest.  I looked 
>at the website but don't have a good idea as to how the Waldorf 4-pole 
>makes things sound.  Can you give more detail?  Can you point me to some 
>sound files?  Thanks!
- Dennis Leas

Generally, a filter is a form of equalization. A wha-wha pedal is a simple 
example of sweeping a filter. 

Resonant filters amplify the signal around the cutoff frequency, accentuating 
that particular relatively narrow frequency range.

Auto-filters or "triggered wha's" do this sort of sweeping automatically based 
usually on the input envelope of the instrument. At the most full featured end 
of the spectrum are midi controlled filters with ADSR control, envelope input 
control, LFO control w/various waveforms etc. Lot's of options! The trend has 
been towards analog filters which sound very fat. It's also useful to overdrive 
the input of these filters for even more supposed "fatness".

Some of the more full featured filters are the Sherman Filterbank, the Peavy 
(something or other which is quite reasonable and rackmount), The Mutronics 
Mutator, Waldorf 4-pole (tabletop) and X-pole (2sp rackmount stereo pair) and if
you're interested in a cool sound module w/resonant filters which allow audio 
input as well, there's the Waldorf Pulse Plus ... Awesome analog bass sounds as 
well as wild event types of sounds and fx. The there's the Waldorf Microwave XT 
which is a full-on polyphonic synth with even more capable filters as well as 
audio input... Whew.

I have a Waldorf 4-pole filter and like the previous poster, I'm in love with 
it. I'm barely utilizing it's full capabilities, but still far exceeding the 
abilities of the very best stomp box auto-filters... (which do sound quite good 
... Lovetone Meatball, EH Q-Tron, Guyatone Wah Rocker)

Oh yeah ... at least my 4-pole and all the other Waldorf filters at higher 
resonance settings will self oscillate allowing all sorts of spacey sounds.

You CAN loop these babies, or place them after the loop for mutating that as 
well as drumboxes etc.

Ay! yi! yi!
Filter madness!!!
-miko

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hello any listmembers in the area,

The Jack-booted Thugs will be playing on Sat. Night in San Antonio at La
Tuna.(8:00pm) 100 Probandt St. (210) 224-8862 i will be playing Chapman
Stick and keys..
there will also be quite a few special guests(from various local bands) to
add to the outdoor evening.

thanks a bunch,
james

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Dan Bartell wrote:
> 
> Something that I've found that is absolutely amazing for filtering is
> the Waldorf 4-pole.  It's small, easy to use, and you can filter ANY
> audio signal that you patch into it via a 1/4" jack.  I use it on my
> tablas before I run them through the echoplex.  Check it out at:
> http://www.waldorf-gmbh.de/4pole/4pole.html

So, you said the magic word, "tablas".  You got my interest.  I looked 
at the website but don't have a good idea as to how the Waldorf 4-pole 
makes things sound.  Can you give more detail?  Can you point me to some 
sound files?  Thanks!

- Dennis Leas
-- 
dennis@mdbs.com

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In a message dated 11/19/98 2:23:57 PM Central Standard Time,
Mike.Biffle@wj.com writes:

<< Ay! yi! yi!
 Filter madness!!! >>

does anyone have any schematics or know of where I can find the plans to build
any of these filters? Especially "q" filters and the like? 

And has anyone heard the Moog Moogerfooger filters yet? 

Thanks in advance... I know I can count on this bunch!
- Bill
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There are soundbytes of the Moogerfooger filter and ring modulator on Big
Briar's website (http://www.bigbriar.com).

Mark Kata
Mark @asisoftware.com

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>In a message dated 11/19/98 2:23:57 PM Central Standard Time,
>Mike.Biffle@wj.com writes:
>
><< Ay! yi! yi!
> Filter madness!!! >>
>
>does anyone have any schematics or know of where I can find the plans to
build
>any of these filters? Especially "q" filters and the like?
>
>And has anyone heard the Moog Moogerfooger filters yet?
>
>Thanks in advance... I know I can count on this bunch!
>- Bill
>Crossedout@aol.com
>

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Hey Dan, this sounds like something that sounds cool. Whatever. Anyways,
tell us more about your work with the Waldorf. Have you heard the recent
release from a guy who calls himself "Pole" and bases all of his tunes
on a BROKEN waldorf 4-pole?

later,
rob



Dan Bartell schrieb:
> 
> Something that I've found that is absolutely amazing for filtering is
> the Waldorf 4-pole.  It's small, easy to use, and you can filter ANY
> audio signal that you patch into it via a 1/4" jack.  I use it on my
> tablas before I run them through the echoplex.  Check it out at:
> http://www.waldorf-gmbh.de/4pole/4pole.html
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Hi all,

If the Waldorf-4-Pole interests you, you might want to check out the
forthcoming ("real-soon-now" -- well, they say December) Nord MicroModular
from Clavia in Sweden. It's the equivalent of an old fashioned modular
synth, but virtual, and on steroids. 

It has an external input so you can apply to your sound, not only a filter
or two, but any combination of the many dozens of modules it comes with,
including convolutions of filters, vocoding, envelopes, ring modulation,
and things you probably haven't even imagined yet. It should have a street
price of US$700-800 (list is $995, I think) when it comes out in December.

I have had an original Nord Modular since June. These days, when most
synths have only minimal LCD displays and spartan interfaces, the NM
includes its own on-screen editor. It is actually fun, interesting and even
inspiring to program one of these. It is without doubt the most versatile
synth I have ever owned (I started back in the 70's with an ARP 2600)-- and
it sounds fantastic.

You can load the hardware, from your computer, with up to 100 virtual
modular synths of your own design, and each one can be of just about any
degree of complexity. For instance, imagine a dozen or more individually
tuned oscillators (a mix of sine waves, pulse waves, and triangle waves, if
you like), processed in parallel through 2 or 3 (or 4 or ?) resonant
filters in series, the bandwidth of each of which is modulated by its own
VFO whose frequency varies with the key you play, while resonance is a
function of the mod wheel position on your MIDI controller, and you can use
a pedal to add noise (white, pink, or whatever) to the output. At the same
time, as part of the same patch, a Moog-like bass sequence which is MIDI
synched to your Echoplex, is started and stopped by alternate presses of
the C#5 key on your keyboard. If that's still not enough, you could hook up
a few more oscillators to spice up the patch with a layer of FM sound.

You can really do stuff like this.

And after storing up to 100 of these kinds of patches in the hardware, you
can disconnect it from your computer so you need to carry only the Nord
Modular -- mine is the two-octave keyboard version which fits in a
briefcase -- to the gig, class, session, garage, or whatever.

That's why I would part with ANY of my other synths (including a Minimoog)
before I would let the Nord Modular out of my sight.

One caveat -- you need a Windows 95 PC to edit the sounds. There is no Mac
editor for the NM, and, apparently, no plans for one in the near future.
People are successfully using it with PC emulator software on a Mac but the
MIDI interface requirements are very specific, and costly -- it only works
with the Emagic Unitor.

I know I sound like a Nord salesman, but I really do not work for Clavia,
so please don't ask me for technical information about the Nord Modular. 

You can find out more at http://www.clavia.se. You can download and try a
copy of the Nord Modular editor, and you can find MP3 files that will allow
you to hear how it sounds.

All the best,

Howard
 
At 02:03 PM 11/19/98 -0500, you wrote:
>Dan Bartell wrote:
>> 
>> Something that I've found that is absolutely amazing for filtering is
>> the Waldorf 4-pole.  It's small, easy to use, and you can filter ANY
>> audio signal that you patch into it via a 1/4" jack.  I use it on my
>> tablas before I run them through the echoplex.  Check it out at:
>> http://www.waldorf-gmbh.de/4pole/4pole.html
>
>So, you said the magic word, "tablas".  You got my interest.  I looked 
>at the website but don't have a good idea as to how the Waldorf 4-pole 
>makes things sound.  Can you give more detail?  Can you point me to some 
>sound files?  Thanks!
>
>- Dennis Leas
>-- 
>dennis@mdbs.com
>
>
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At 11:56 19.11.98 -0800, you wrote:
>Dan Bartell wrote:
>>> 
>>> Something that I've found that is absolutely amazing for filtering is
>>> the Waldorf 4-pole.  It's small, easy to use, and you can filter ANY
>>> audio signal that you patch into it via a 1/4" jack.  I use it on my
>>> tablas before I run them through the echoplex.  Check it out at:
>>> http://www.waldorf-gmbh.de/4pole/4pole.html
>
>>So, you said the magic word, "tablas".  You got my interest.  I looked 
>>at the website but don't have a good idea as to how the Waldorf 4-pole 
>>makes things sound.  Can you give more detail?  Can you point me to some 
>>sound files?  Thanks!
>- Dennis Leas
>
>Generally, a filter is a form of equalization. A wha-wha pedal is a simple 
>example of sweeping a filter. 
>
>Resonant filters amplify the signal around the cutoff frequency,
accentuating 
>that particular relatively narrow frequency range.
>
>Auto-filters or "triggered wha's" do this sort of sweeping automatically
based 
>usually on the input envelope of the instrument. At the most full featured
end 
>of the spectrum are midi controlled filters with ADSR control, envelope
input 
>control, LFO control w/various waveforms etc. Lot's of options! The trend
has 
>been towards analog filters which sound very fat. It's also useful to
overdrive 
>the input of these filters for even more supposed "fatness".
>
>Some of the more full featured filters are the Sherman Filterbank, the Peavy 
>(something or other which is quite reasonable and rackmount), The Mutronics 
>Mutator, Waldorf 4-pole (tabletop) and X-pole (2sp rackmount stereo pair)
and if
>you're interested in a cool sound module w/resonant filters which allow
audio 
>input as well, there's the Waldorf Pulse Plus ... Awesome analog bass
sounds as 
>well as wild event types of sounds and fx. The there's the Waldorf
Microwave XT 
>which is a full-on polyphonic synth with even more capable filters as well
as 
>audio input... Whew.
>
>I have a Waldorf 4-pole filter and like the previous poster, I'm in love
with 
>it. I'm barely utilizing it's full capabilities, but still far exceeding the 
>abilities of the very best stomp box auto-filters... (which do sound quite
good 
>... Lovetone Meatball, EH Q-Tron, Guyatone Wah Rocker)
>
>Oh yeah ... at least my 4-pole and all the other Waldorf filters at higher 
>resonance settings will self oscillate allowing all sorts of spacey sounds.
>
>You CAN loop these babies, or place them after the loop for mutating that as 
>well as drumboxes etc.
>
>Ay! yi! yi!
>Filter madness!!!
>-miko
>
>
i heard a lot about the 4-pole, but havn't had the chance to test it yet. i
talked to some guy at a music store and he told me, that filters, including
the 4-pole, arn't any good for bass-sound cause you wouldn't hear a lot of
differences at low frequencies. is that right ( i kinda don't believe this
guy...)?
if that's true, would there be any possipility to use filters with my bass,
for example split the bass signal, go through a pithch shifter into the
4-pole, then mix both signals and go into the amp... would that make any
sense?
i just want to have a clean signal mixed with the filtered signal cause i
think that the low bass sound is an essential part for the groove of the
(/my?) kind of music i make.

who else uses a waldorf 4-pole besides miko and dan? could you tell us your
experiences with it? 

lorenz

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Lorenz wrote...
>i heard a lot about the 4-pole, but havn't had the chance to test it yet. i
>talked to some guy at a music store and he told me, that filters, including
>the 4-pole, arn't any good for bass-sound cause you wouldn't hear a lot of
>differences at low frequencies. is that right ( i kinda don't believe this
>guy...)?

Well, don't tell Bootsy Collins, or any other funkateer bassist for that matter,
that filters won't change their sound! The deal with resonant low-pass filters 
is that they aren't just rolling an unamplified cutoff frequency around ... the 
highly amplified (dialable) resonant peak will take whatever harmonic is in it's
proximity and boost the hell out of it. You'll hear a difference once you've 
done some dialing. With bass you may want to choose to slightly distort the 
input signal to boost those upper harmonics. I believe there's upper harmonic 
structure in undistorted bass signal though which will filter just fine.

>if that's true, would there be any possipility to use filters with my bass,
>for example split the bass signal, go through a pithch shifter into the
>4-pole, then mix both signals and go into the amp... would that make any
>sense?

Sure if you that's the sound you're going for ... It's probably going to be a 
whole lot more dramatic *and* simple if you just run the signal through the 
4-pole and get a distortion (Fulltone Bass Fulldrive 2?..) in front of it.

>i just want to have a clean signal mixed with the filtered signal cause i
>think that the low bass sound is an essential part for the groove of the
>(/my?) kind of music i make.

These filters can *increase* the amount of low end in your signal as well as 
decrease it. Cutoff from 40-200 hz boosted to the ceiling could seriously rumble
the building! 

If you read the reviews on Harmony Central about the Lovetone Meatball, many of 
them say that the unit actually increases their bottom end as well. I'm not a 
bassist and don't play one on TV either, so take this all with a grain of salt. 
Our list-mate Steuart Liebig is a Meatball owner though and might be willing to 
add a few bass specific comments about *that* product...

-m

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> Our list-mate Steuart Liebig is a Meatball owner though and might be
> willing to 
> add a few bass specific comments about *that* product...
> 
	>> i think that the matball is a pretty entertaining device for a
bass (i play 6-string, so is has a pretty good range). it's not prgarammable
tho', so if that's an issue for you, you may want to look into the waldorf. 


	the meatball gets some pretty funky sounds and also can get some
very subtle sounds depending on how you decide to set it up and your touch,
etc. using it with other pedals (chorus, fuzz, etc.) can yield some pretty
nice results. it has four different frequency ranges that it will boost. i
use either the 2nd or 3rd most of the time. the 4th is the lowest voiced. it
seems to add some serious low end, sub-sonic really. 

	stig

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>At 11:56 19.11.98 -0800, you wrote:
>i heard a lot about the 4-pole, but havn't had the chance to test it yet. i
>talked to some guy at a music store and he told me, that filters, including
>the 4-pole, arn't any good for bass-sound cause you wouldn't hear a lot of
>differences at low frequencies. is that right ( i kinda don't believe this
>guy...)?
>if that's true, would there be any possipility to use filters with my bass,
>for example split the bass signal, go through a pithch shifter into the
>4-pole, then mix both signals and go into the amp... would that make any
>sense?
>i just want to have a clean signal mixed with the filtered signal cause i
>think that the low bass sound is an essential part for the groove of the
>(/my?) kind of music i make.
>
>who else uses a waldorf 4-pole besides miko and dan? could you tell us your
>experiences with it?
>
I don't use a Waldorf, but I have run my bass through an electro-harmonix
Q-Tron, a Peavey SPAF, and a home-made pre-amp/envelope follower driving
some Doepfer and ARP filter modules, and basically, whoever told you that
filters aren'y good for bass was full of shit. Envelope filters will give
you some of the heaviest bass around. If you don't believe me, just check
out any Bill Lasswell CD.

________________________________________________________
Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org  : www.peak.org/~improv/

"...there will come a day when you won't have to use
gasoline. You'd simply take a cassette and put it in
your car, let it run. You'd have to have the proper
type of music. Like you take two sticks, put 'em
together, make fire. You take some notes and rub 'em
together - dum, dum, dum, dum - fire, cosmic fire."
                                            -Sun Ra
________________________________________________________


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Howdy,

How's the elbow? How's the practicing on your CD? Do I ask too many questions.

I just finished the lastest Ambinet-Digest V3 #666 and there was a couple
posts about the lack of reviews of new music on there by list members.
Perhpas this would be a good place to send your FNGP review. There's also
953( I think that was the number) member sof that list. I f I could sell
105 of them, we 'd be real close to the break even point. This music
business stuff really is hard to break into.

Sigh........still need to go do my hour or else pay out some
bucks......ouch and good night.

Patrick

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Hello all out there in looping land, I have a question to propose. Perhaps
one of you can help me with my little dilemma.
You see where i live (Pataskala, Ohio) we do not get a certain channel
called OVATION, well lately I've come to discover that their channel has
many wonderful programs about great things. I would like to be able to see
them but cannot. Is there someone who perhaps can offer up to record a very
few of these programs for me so that i may find immense enjoyment in their
kindness. I would deeply appreciate it, and would offer to pay for the
cassette cost and shipping.
Please let me know fellow loopers.
Sincerely,
Jeff Collins


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Bill Lasswell uses the DOD FX-25 envelope filter (the green one)....

At 07:23 PM 11/20/98 -0800, you wrote:
> Envelope filters will give
>you some of the heaviest bass around. If you don't believe me, just check
>out any Bill Lasswell CD.

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>who else uses a waldorf 4-pole besides miko and dan? could you tell us
>your
>experiences with it?

me: i love that waldorf 4-pole fltr; great-sounding, w/a pretty deep
featureset for the price of admission.
(filter-slut that i am, i also love the z-vex seeqwah, the guyatone wr2, boss
aw2, moog filters & the filters in both the tc fireworx & lexicon's mpxg2).
as with any sonic device/instrument thatcha haven't yet fuddled with, i think
ya might be best served by going out & *trying* this filtry stuff:
see if it suits yer needs:
descriptions awready offered, here, oughta be good enough as 'pointers', but
can't replace experience.
best,
dt

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DOD makes an 8-second stomp-box delay with 18 bit converters for around $100.
It is called the DFX-98

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At 09:59 PM 11/20/98 +0200, you wrote:
>Howdy,
>
>How's the elbow? How's the practicing on your CD? Do I ask too many
questions.
>

The elbow is still less than 100% -- I'm trying to limit use of it as much
as possible, without immobilizing it -- I was on crutches with a knee a
couple of years ago, and it sucked, so I'm being very gentle :-).

The work on the CD has been going real well -- the time *flies by*, which,
I think, should tell me something.  I'm being seduced by these digital
tools -- rendering music rather than performing/recording it~  maybe this
is the future for me :-).

>This music
>business stuff really is hard to break into.
>

Yes, definitely -- especially if you're looking for a financial break-even
on a project-by-project basis. 

Let's chill a bit on reviews/mutual promotion -- ambient and looper's
overlap quite a bit, and, though I think we were within the bounds of
propriety last time, I don't want to press our luck -- the last thing
either of us needs is a backlash.  

Persistence is powerful; combined with flexibility/subtlety, doubly so :-).

yours,
Rob



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 From: Chuck Zwicky <chuck.zwicky@wavefront.com>
> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
> Subject: Re: simple looper recommendation DFX-98
> Date: Saturday, November 21, 1998 11:46 AM
> 
> DOD makes an 8-second stomp-box delay with 18 bit converters for around
$100.
> It is called the DFX-98


yeah!! saw that in the new thoroughbred mail order cat., and i notice it is
officially a looper!!! looks like it has a jack for a simple latch switch
for the loop....

andre east
> 

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Andre wrote about the DOD DFX98:
> yeah!! saw that in the new thoroughbred mail order cat., and i notice it is
> officially a looper!!! looks like it has a jack for a simple latch switch
> for the loop....


	So this thing is finally coming out, eh?  I 
	had pretty much given up on it.

	Good to see.   Does anyone know if it _really_
	is out?

				-nick

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I called Thoroughbred music about the 
"Echomatic Digital Delay" DFX98.
(cat# 700232)  Apparently, they no
longer stock this item.

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It is still vapor, as far as I know.....
I hope I am wrong about this.


At 02:54 PM 11/21/98 -0500, you wrote:
>
>Andre wrote about the DOD DFX98:
>> yeah!! saw that in the new thoroughbred mail order cat., and i notice it is
>> officially a looper!!! looks like it has a jack for a simple latch switch
>> for the loop....
>
>
>	So this thing is finally coming out, eh?  I 
>	had pretty much given up on it.
>
>	Good to see.   Does anyone know if it _really_
>	is out?
>
>				-nick
>
>
>

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i was under the impression that DOD stopped making this puppies a while ago.
am i mistaken? =-) PJ

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er...these puppies or this puppy. my bad. =-l PJ

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>Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1998 16:22:50 EST
>From: PJBMHB@aol.com
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>i was under the impression that DOD stopped making this puppies a while ago.
>am i mistaken? =-) PJ

No-one's ever held a working unit in their hand.  I wish DOD would 
release it, but so it goes.

Travis Hartnett

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i had the good fortune to see leni stern in concert last night and she did a
really good job. she had a few songs where she made loops on her jamman and it
was very cool how she integrated that into her overall trio sound. if you get
a chance to check her out you really should. she also had great things to say
about mr. torn. 
=-) PJ

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my mother-in-law gave me a Dr. Sample for my birthday this year.

yes, you read that correctly.

anyhoo, i'd love to sync it up with my jamman and have the lenth of my
samples (mostly drum stuff) dictate the lenth of my loops.  i'm assuming
that i'll need another piece of hardware to do this, as the Dr. Sample
doesn't use midi timecode like the the jamdude.

unfortuntely i am a complete midiot.  anybody got any insight or advice?

are there enough looper's-d kids heading to the boston Bruf/Lev/Bot/Torn
gig to dictate a pre-gig meet?

later,
m

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hey guys this won't be of much help now, but I recently got a "real" job at
MARS music (don't ask me why I capitalized that probably due to corporate
brainwashing) and I was digging through our backstock trying to find the
Fizmos (ensonic) and I came across a DOD delay with 24 seconds delay time.
it looks really cool but since it's not on any planograms I can't drag it
out to the floor, I don't know if this is what you guys are talking about
because I didn't read the model name but this thing is definitly a looper
and also has what appears to be a built it gate which I can't wait to mess
with. I'll find out more info later I'm still trying to get that store
together we (we had our grand openning on saturday. 

seeya
Dain

PS we do stock the EDP!! did you know the store cost for the footpedal is
like 50 bucks!

----------
> From: Nick Ring <nick@simons-rock.edu>
> To: andre <andre@monmouth.com>
> Cc: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
> Subject: Re: simple looper recommendation DFX-98
> Date: Saturday, November 21, 1998 1:54 PM
> 
> 
> Andre wrote about the DOD DFX98:
> > yeah!! saw that in the new thoroughbred mail order cat., and i notice
it is
> > officially a looper!!! looks like it has a jack for a simple latch
switch
> > for the loop....
> 
> 
> 	So this thing is finally coming out, eh?  I 
> 	had pretty much given up on it.
> 
> 	Good to see.   Does anyone know if it _really_
> 	is out?
> 
> 				-nick

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electric bird noise / unleashing the inner robot
cd release party in myrtle beach s.c. at bodo's this friday nov. 27th

sound samples at:
http://members.xoom.com/birdnoise/ebn.html
your thoughts?
brian
electric bird noise (cinematic loop and layered instrumental guitar music)

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Anybody out there see UK improvising violinist Kaffe matthews on her
current US tour? Driving to Chicago Tuesday to catch her.Attention: go to
see her . She uses Lisa sampling with a Pwrbk along with her visceral
playing to create massive samplescapes in real time via midi.  Dont miss
this one !
Chek this URL: http://www.annetteworks.demon.co.uk/

                   cheers  K LAW
~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ 
Elizabeth Lawler ~ Lawler Creative Media ~
<http://www.lawler.com/>http://www.lawler.com 
~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~

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I noticed that Kim has dropped a couple of hints that there may be a new 
OS for the EDP on the horizon - I believe it had something to do with 
presets. Maybe we can hear more about this  - any informers out there?

I was wondering if there was any possibility of introducing a 
"half-speed" playback option or some other modulation source into the 
existing EDP. 
I'm not a technical/engineering  type so I really don't have a clue of  
what the reality of this could be but I figured that I'd ask...

john

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In a message dated 15/11/98 02:01:28 GMT, you write:

<< 
 =09Another thing to beware of is that if you are trying to press your own
disks,
 a WORM drive or even a rewritable is not the best way to go, as the sound
 quality is definitely not there; output it an ADAT and then take it to a
press
 house...  It's worth the extra money to have it done correctly. >>

WORM works fine for me, quality as good as any other CD.
I use a writer that is specific to WORM, as apparently decks that 
support rewriting are not reliable for audio disks to use on
consumer CDplayers.

As I understand it the quality problem happens with drives that can't 
read audio digitally (which is most of them). Commonly you can record 
an audioCD onto hard disk, but the sound is first D/Aed by the CDdrive
and sent to the sound card for A/D.  
With SCSI CD drives you don't have this problem though.

Off topic? yes but hopefully useful to creative-musos-with-computer-access=
.

Soundcard, I use an Event Gina (=A3460) 
2  in 8 out (+SPDif  I/O),20 bit , 48kHz(or 44.1).

SPDif    I/O recommended.

Andy Butler  


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At 8:22 PM -0800 11/19/98, Dain R. Luscombe wrote:
>hey guys this won't be of much help now, but I recently got a "real" job at
>MARS music (don't ask me why I capitalized that probably due to corporate
>brainwashing) and I was digging through our backstock trying to find the
>Fizmos (ensonic) and I came across a DOD delay with 24 seconds delay time.
>it looks really cool but since it's not on any planograms I can't drag it
>out to the floor, I don't know if this is what you guys are talking about
>because I didn't read the model name but this thing is definitly a looper
>and also has what appears to be a built it gate which I can't wait to mess
>with. I'll find out more info later I'm still trying to get that store
>together we (we had our grand openning on saturday.

that's the dod dimension 12. A page with info and a review of it is on the
Looper's Delight site:

http://www.annihilist.com/loop/tools/dimension12/D12.html

kim

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hi!

im still hunting for an EDP with a pedal.
anyone could help me please?

im so far away from the 'source'...


a/d

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Moving to Kyma, so...

2 Echoplexen, maxed out - one manual
1 Plex Footpedal
1 Lexicon Vortex - w/manual
1 Digtech TSR-24 - w/manual
1 5-space Bag End Rack

$1600 firm, Buyer pays shipping

E-mail me at erwill@flink.com, or erwill@hotmail.com=20

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In a message dated 11/23/98 6:59:42 PM, erwill@flink.com writes:

>Moving to Kyma, so...

Congratulations! Please let us know about your experiences with KYMA and
looping once you are up and running.....


Marshall

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I tried searching the LD archives with the search engine, but was unable 
to find the contact info and price on the recent Echoplex group buy.  
Could someone forward the information to me?

Thanks,

Travis Hartnett

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Here you go Travis.

This was also sent to the list - but a few have mentioned that they would
prefer to be emailed directly. advance apologies for duplication.

-----

Ok - I spoke with John at Alto Music here's the deal.

So far it looks like there will be about 12 units ordered, maybe more...

If you want to get one or more EDP's with or without a pedal do the
following:

1. Call Alto Music @ (914) 692-6922 10-6pm Monday through Saturday and
ask for John.
Tell him you're calling about ordering an Echoplex as part of the Loopers
Delight Internet mailing list - he's not hip to the listserv thing so be
sure to mention Echoplex & internet in the same sentence and he'll know
what your calling about.

2 Give him your order info - i.e. How many you want, pedal or not,
address CC#, shipping preference etc.

NOTE: while they do some mail order they are not setup like Musicians
Friend etc, in that they can say immediately what your freight will be.
You can request that they call you with the exact amount of shipping once
they have determined it. Rest assured that he's a straight up guy & there
won't be any gouging on shipping fees.

3. Be patient, think Buddha like thoughts, or if you're really advanced,
no thoughts at all.
The units are not in stock. Once he gets a bunch of orders, he'll place
an order with Gibson. When he receives the units they will be sent to you
according to your instructions. The time between when he places the order
& when they arrive is dependent on Gibson, UPS, acts of God, etc. If
Gibson is to be believed regarding stock & turnaround time, I'd guess
that everyone will have their units in 2-3 weeks.

The prices are:

$560 for EDP w/ 4Mb RAM

$660 for EDP w/ 4Mb & pedal

+ shipping ( & tax if you are in NY state) no tax for out of state
sales...

We didn't discuss a time limit on this offer but I'm sure as long as
people are ordering a moderate amount the price will be good for a couple
of weeks - barring any price changes from Gibson/Oberheim of course.

Alright, Let the feeding frenzy begin!

peace,
JMW


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Paul,

FYI, I hope all is well. I've been spending a lot of time recording. Saw
this on Harmony Central.

Patrick

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The Zoom 1201 has a bank of 11 different filter effects:
some envelope following ; some triggered sweeps.

Not tweakable (only sensitivity is variable) and not the same quality
(fatness?)
as thhe other gear discussed,  but a good selection of options,
( dark bubbly, sub bass, bright resonant etc)

Over here it costs =A399 (stirling),    RRP.
It can also give a 3sec loop(good quality) , ring mod(nasty), vocoder
& loads of tacky digi-reverbs.

Andy Butler

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hi, I guess this is a little old, but I've been a bit out of touch lately.....

At 1:53 AM -0800 11/18/98, John Tidwell wrote:
>Although I've had my Echoplex for almost a year, I've
>yet to buy a foot controller. I've been getting by with
>a couple of sustain pedals. I have an X-15 controller,
>but only one of its switches can be programmed to act
>as a momentary switch. I don't like the feel of the
>switches for looping purposes anyway. I'm hesitant to
>buy the Oberheim controller since it is single purpose
>and I would like more bang for my buck. So here's my
>question: Has anyone tried the Roland PK-5 pedalboard
>with the Echoplex? Based on what little I've read, it
>seems ideal. Thirteen momentary switches sending midi
>note on & off messages, and since it's midi, I could
>use it with my GR-1 or Yamaha keyboard. I could not
>find anything on this in the archives & I'm a new
>subscriber, so I hope this is something that hasn't
>been covered ad nauseum.

I've never actually seen one of these pedals, but from the specs it sounds
like it would work. There is a review on harmony-central you might want to
check out:

http://www.harmony-central.com/Synth/Data/Roland/PK-5-01.html

the reviewer complains about it being hard to figure out and program, but
he generally likes using it. My guess is that the pedals would have a
pretty good feel to them, since it's more of a bass pedal aimed at organ
players (at least that's what I gathered...).

some other pedals to look at are the digitech PMC-10, Rocktron AllAccess,
and Roland FC-200. Personally, I like the PMC-10, since it is very
versatile and you can generally find them used pretty cheap. These are
mentioned in the echoplex faq on the website, as are the details of what
features a midi pedal needs to control the echoplex well.

kim

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What am I doing writing
I forgot to eat
The cat is going on my nerves
I smell bad
the ashtray is on the ground
forgot to put the light on
I have problems to stay up

help me

I just got a vortex

Claude

What was the question ?

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Hello fellow Loopist's
On Dec. 4 I will be performing at the Golden Flower Meditation Hall at
38 Miller Ave. in downtown Mill Valley,Ca  415-789-7726 or e-mail me.
I'll be playing 6-string fretless,6-string elect.upright bass,effects
and loops.Hopefully some deep states of consciousness will arise.I'd
love to meet anybody on the list there!
                           Thanks for your time and attention.
                           http://www.basscapes.com

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I'd tried to modify a standard passive volume pedal to function as a CV 
pedal for my echoplex but ran into a strange problem. 
When set to zero feedback (one repetition) the loop ends with a "pop" - 
this doesn't happen if I start with a higher feedback level & then move 
the pedal to zero - only when the pedal is at zero when the loop is 
created.

The pot is 100K - i'm not sure about the taper, but judging from how it 
behaves with the echoplex it may be logarhythmic. Should I be using a 
linear pot instead?

Thanks,

John

 

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 Once in a while, when I reduce the feedback level via midi CC pedal (into
my Ground Control), on the successive repeats, the sound 'cuts out',  sounds
just like a cord that has a short in it when you move it. Now I know it
isn't a cord, since I tested it with several. I have the original SIMMS
installed. Anyone else have this problem?

Dave Eichenberger
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In a message dated 11/24/98 4:31:13 AM, you wrote:

<<FYI, I hope all is well. I've been spending a lot of time recording. Saw
this on Harmony Central.
>>

Patrick;
	Thanks for the info.  Another CD in the works?  Take care and have a happy
holiday. - Paul

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sounds to me like the midi data being sent to your echoplex has errors in
it, or it is sometimes randomly sending CC values of zero. So you get
feedback settings jumping around and the loop audio cutting out. Could be a
poor connection between the expression pedal and the ground control (that
cable is shorting), or the pedal/pot is flaky, or the connector in the
ground control is flaky. You might want to get some electronics cleaning
solution and squirt it in the jacks and expression pedal potentiometer. 

kim

At 07:36 PM 11/24/98 -0500, you wrote:
>
> Once in a while, when I reduce the feedback level via midi CC pedal (into
>my Ground Control), on the successive repeats, the sound 'cuts out',  sounds
>just like a cord that has a short in it when you move it. Now I know it
>isn't a cord, since I tested it with several. I have the original SIMMS
>installed. Anyone else have this problem?
>
>Dave Eichenberger
>*********************************************************************
>'Future Perfect' - art music
>guitars-loops-flutes-devices-voices
>the NEW IMPROVED site:
>http://home1.gte.net/artmusic/
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________
Kim Flint, MTS		       408-752-9284
Chromatic Research	       kflint@chromatic.com
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sigh....after fooling around with a soldering iron & my volume pedal I 
decided to ACTUALLY READ THE MANUAL!

Imagine my chagrin when I discovered that the EDP feedback input jack is 
designed to work with a standard volume pedal (no rewiring required) - I 
was under the mistaken impression that I needed to rewire the pot with a 
TRS cable as the other CV pedals that I have are wired this way.

I feel dumb....& my mantra for the day is - RTFM, RTFM, RTFM....

However - I'm still getting the wierd POP when the pedal is in it's full 
off position 


jmw

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At 09:23 PM 11/24/98 -0500, evening wrote:
>sigh....after fooling around with a soldering iron & my volume pedal I 
>decided to ACTUALLY READ THE MANUAL!
>
>Imagine my chagrin when I discovered that the EDP feedback input jack is 
>designed to work with a standard volume pedal (no rewiring required) - I 
>was under the mistaken impression that I needed to rewire the pot with a 
>TRS cable as the other CV pedals that I have are wired this way.
>
>I feel dumb....& my mantra for the day is - RTFM, RTFM, RTFM....

it's also in the FAQ on the website:

http://www.annihilist.com/loop/tools/echoplex/FAQ1.html#FBpedal

RTFFAQ?

we made it work with a volume pedal because most people already have them,
for one, but also because it seems like a more rugged solution. Expression
pedals usually have flimsy little cables built into them, which break easily
and then require soldering to replace. The pedals are often pretty wimpy
too. Volume pedals, on the other hand, just have a jack, so you can use a
good cable and replace easily if necessary. Only down side is the log taper
on volume pedals...linear seems a bit easier to use for feedback control.

>However - I'm still getting the wierd POP when the pedal is in it's full 
>off position 
>

there's a small trimpot inside the echoplex which is supposed to be set to
null out an offset voltage, eliminating such pops. My guess is the trimpot
in yours got knocked out of position or wasn't set right in the first place.
It's possible to set that yourself, and is pretty easy really. I'll send
directions later when I'm home and I've got more time....

kim
________________________________________________________
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kim:
>Only down side is the log taper on volume pedals...
>linear seems a bit easier to use for feedback control.

Couldn't the software reinterpret this--apply a curve
to the input numbers to (approximately) linearize it?

Sean

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At 8:04 PM -0800 11/24/98, Sean T Barrett wrote:
>kim:
>>Only down side is the log taper on volume pedals...
>>linear seems a bit easier to use for feedback control.
>
>Couldn't the software reinterpret this--apply a curve
>to the input numbers to (approximately) linearize it?

yeah, that would be easy enough. Of course, then you have the opposite
problem with anyone using linear taper pots. So then you end up adding yet
another parameter to allow a choice, and then a lot of time explaining what
this obscure log/linear parameter does....:-)   well, there would be one
problem with this, in that the analog level runs through an a/d convertor
with a fairly limited range. you'd probably end up with some weird
resolution problems in some parts of the pedal range.

anyway, for John, here's how to set the trimpot:

*********************************************

This requires that you actually open up the unit, and have it opened with
the power on. *Please follow appropriate electrical safety rules!!*  If you
are not careful and you fry yourself, please don't blame me!

There's a trimpot on the PCB, near the left side, by the volume knobs. It's
job is to trim a dc offset from a VCA. Sounds like your's is not set right
for some reason, which would cause the thump you hear.

To set it you need to run one of the built in diagnostic tests. The test
basically turns the VCA on and off at about 60Hz, so if there is an offset
you can hear the resulting tone in an amplifier. (or see it on a scope,
whichever way you like.)  While that's going, you adjust the trimmer until
the tone/waveform reaches it's mimimum.

To get into the trimmer test, Start the unit while holding the Parameter
and Record buttons down. Keep them held while the startup screen goes by,
until the display shows all t's. Then let go. Should say 7F. Press
parameter so the "Keys" LED is lit, then press Insert to start the trimmer
test.

You should hear a ~60Hz tone in an amp. (turning input volume off, mix to
"loop", and the output volume up helps.) The tone will change in level as
you adjust the trimpot. Adjust to where the tone is at it's lowest level.
(you'll still hear hashy noise sounds, but the 60Hz should become nearly
inaudible.)   After you set the trimmer, pressing parameter again will stop
the test. Then you can turn the echoplex off and power back up normally.

**********************************************
kim


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> >designed to work with a standard volume pedal (no rewiring required) - I

> >was under the mistaken impression that I needed to rewire the pot with a

> >TRS cable as the other CV pedals that I have are wired this way.
> >
> >I feel dumb....& my mantra for the day is - RTFM, RTFM, RTFM....

does that mean:

"Return To Forever, Man !" ????

wondering, andre'

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Duh...What's the difference between "Volume" and "Expression" pedals? I
always thought that they were the same. How can I tell which one I have?


At 12:04 AM 11/25/98 -0800, you wrote:
>At 8:04 PM -0800 11/24/98, Sean T Barrett wrote:
>>kim:
>>>Only down side is the log taper on volume pedals...
>>>linear seems a bit easier to use for feedback control.
>>
>>Couldn't the software reinterpret this--apply a curve
>>to the input numbers to (approximately) linearize it?
>
>yeah, that would be easy enough. Of course, then you have the opposite
>problem with anyone using linear taper pots. So then you end up adding yet
>another parameter to allow a choice, and then a lot of time explaining what
>this obscure log/linear parameter does....:-)   well, there would be one
>problem with this, in that the analog level runs through an a/d convertor
>with a fairly limited range. you'd probably end up with some weird
>resolution problems in some parts of the pedal range.
>
>anyway, for John, here's how to set the trimpot:
>
>*********************************************
>
>This requires that you actually open up the unit, and have it opened with
>the power on. *Please follow appropriate electrical safety rules!!*  If you
>are not careful and you fry yourself, please don't blame me!
>
>There's a trimpot on the PCB, near the left side, by the volume knobs. It's
>job is to trim a dc offset from a VCA. Sounds like your's is not set right
>for some reason, which would cause the thump you hear.
>
>To set it you need to run one of the built in diagnostic tests. The test
>basically turns the VCA on and off at about 60Hz, so if there is an offset
>you can hear the resulting tone in an amplifier. (or see it on a scope,
>whichever way you like.)  While that's going, you adjust the trimmer until
>the tone/waveform reaches it's mimimum.
>
>To get into the trimmer test, Start the unit while holding the Parameter
>and Record buttons down. Keep them held while the startup screen goes by,
>until the display shows all t's. Then let go. Should say 7F. Press
>parameter so the "Keys" LED is lit, then press Insert to start the trimmer
>test.
>
>You should hear a ~60Hz tone in an amp. (turning input volume off, mix to
>"loop", and the output volume up helps.) The tone will change in level as
>you adjust the trimpot. Adjust to where the tone is at it's lowest level.
>(you'll still hear hashy noise sounds, but the 60Hz should become nearly
>inaudible.)   After you set the trimmer, pressing parameter again will stop
>the test. Then you can turn the echoplex off and power back up normally.
>
>**********************************************
>kim
>
>
>______________________________________________________________________
>Kim Flint                   | Looper's Delight
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>
>
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OK, got my Echoplex, thanks to the group buy...

After hearing a cool drone project, I wanted to try a reverse delay.  There
doesn't
seem to be a way to do this on the Echoplex.  I can reverse the loop, but
then my
overdubs are not reversed.

It also seems as if once I reverse the loop, I cannot undo any overdubs that
happened
before the reversal.

BTW, I'm having problems in general with getting my overdubs and undos to be
timed
to the cycle correctly.  I usually get a little snippet of the overdub still
in the loop after
an undo.  Any tips would be appreciated.  (Having the EDP count down the
remaining
time the loop would be extremely useful in this regard)

-steve

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My question concrens what might appear to be the limited functionality
of the Undo function.  My Echoplex is currently maxed out at 198 sec.
Many times I've overdubbed something onto loop 1, and then listened to
it once and instantly realized I made a horrible mistake.  When I press
Undo it does not erase the last overdubbeed layer.

The manual refers to the fact that memory may not be available.  Does
that refer to the total length of the memory available or just the time
remaining in the individual loop?  Do I need to press Undo instantly?
Do I need to change any settings?  Or is this just a "known problem."

Whenever possible, I of course copy to the next loop before overdubbing
to prevent mangling my loops, but if I could just undo it would save me
a few steps to be sure.  Also when I have 9 loops filled That option is
not available.

Anyone else experiencing this?

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Steven Barnes [SMTP:SBarnes@brio.com]
> Sent:	Wednesday, November 25, 1998 2:31 PM
> To:	TRUPOLO@rizzoliusa.com
> Subject:	EDP reverse looping
> 
> 
> OK, got my Echoplex, thanks to the group buy...
> 
> After hearing a cool drone project, I wanted to try a reverse delay.
> There
> doesn't
> seem to be a way to do this on the Echoplex.  I can reverse the loop,
> but
> then my
> overdubs are not reversed.
> 
> It also seems as if once I reverse the loop, I cannot undo any
> overdubs that
> happened
> before the reversal.
> 
> BTW, I'm having problems in general with getting my overdubs and undos
> to be
> timed
> to the cycle correctly.  I usually get a little snippet of the overdub
> still
> in the loop after
> an undo.  Any tips would be appreciated.  (Having the EDP count down
> the
> remaining
> time the loop would be extremely useful in this regard)
> 
> -steve

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I just bought an Echoplex and when I turn it on it reads that I have 5.6
seconds of looptime. Isn't it supposed to come with 12 seconds or
something stock? Did I get ripped on memory? It also has a short in the
mix dial, so I'm going to take it back anyway...just curious...

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how many loops do you have the MoreLoops parameter set to? Sounds like it is
on 9. (50.1sec / 9 = 5.6)

kim

At 05:39 PM 11/25/98 -0600, you wrote:
>I just bought an Echoplex and when I turn it on it reads that I have 5.6
>seconds of looptime. Isn't it supposed to come with 12 seconds or
>something stock? Did I get ripped on memory? It also has a short in the
>mix dial, so I'm going to take it back anyway...just curious...
>
>
>
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Hello everybody !

My name is Emmanuel PERILLE, and I would like to introduce to you my
cyclic looper, the DJRND2, based upon a predefined wheel recording
method.

The DJRND2 is mainly dedicated to DJs,
but you can still use it in other situations,
as to loop FM radio stations just for fun.

The method is quite simple to use :
- tap your tempo
- trim your tapped tempo to reach a 0.1 BPM accuracy
- and then start recording.

The DJRND2 gearwheels never stop, and 14 stereo loops are always
available to be mixed together with a muting keyboard, even during
recording.

Giving the exact tempo before recording allows you to obtain every loop
perfectly recorded in terms of beat, since each loop has its own defined
number of measures, and every loop is spinning in a common tempo.

Immagine 14 stereo loops perfectly fit kick-to-kick at the same time,
great !

You can change afterwards the loops tempo to synchronize with a new
disc.

I invite you to have a look at
http://www.club-internet.fr/membres/perille

And if it is possible, I can lend some prototypes so you can try.

Thank you

And long life to the looping world.

Emmanuel PERILLE
perille@club-internet.fr

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Anybody have any knowledge or actually play one of these things?
I hear they have good 24 bit converters, but difficult to program...
anybody?........

Wayne

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test.......michael

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>Anybody have any knowledge or actually play one of these things?
>I hear they have good 24 bit converters, but difficult to program...
>anybody?........

I ordered a manual from Symetrix to check out the feature set, and it was 
impressively deep.  It looked like a super-Vortex with full MIDI 
implementation, sort of like the Korg 8000 delay, but it did look a bit 
daunting to program.  Haven't seen one in person.

Travis Hartnett

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hey all...
anyone have any experience with this dod dimesion12 thing I have seen
advertised?
they call it a sampler-looper... can ya stick it in a guitar rack or what?....

also, anyone ever try fooling around with any of these new dj-style
looper/sampling stations?

and hey what about that post from Emmanuel PERILLE?... sounds very
interesting!

all the best for the coming holidays
Robby Aceto

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I just picked up a used EDP and was curious if there is any software out there for editing/controlling it. 

I've checked the FAQ but have not seen any reference to an editor

Thanks  

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    Hello "out there" in Loop Land,
                    Just picked up the new Massacre cd ( Tzadik), with Fred Frith,
Bill Laswell, and Nick Heyward. I think it's great!! A little looping going on (I
think?). But excellent textural stuff!
    I'm having some problems with keeping my Parker Nitefly (with tremolo bar) in
tune. Any suggestions would be appreciated.
            Uncle Buzz Records (www.unclebuzz.com) has a new web site up! There are
still some "Crevice 2" cds available. Please contact Uncle Buzz for further info.
There are two future Crevice works due out (or in the immediate future). "Think of
Pleasant Things" cd, from live shows in Austin and San Antonio. And, "Little Albert's
Dream" lp (Lost Records, Dallas, Tx), which is more based on cutting up our own source
material.
        I'm outta here for two weeks!  Happy Holidays! James

>
>
>

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At 10:21 -0500 11/26/98, RA336@aol.com wrote:
> hey all...
> anyone have any experience with this dod dimesion12 thing I have seen
> advertised?
> they call it a sampler-looper... can ya stick it in a guitar rack or
>what?....

Hey Rob,

I got a D12 because it was relatively cheap and I was desperate for more
delay time.  You're welcome to stop over and check it out.  The review on
the L.D. web site panned it, but I find it usable though not great.  Yes,
it's a 1-rack space unit.

The things I find to be limitations are:

- no way to move sound between sampler and delay modes, so it's either a
sampler (can trigger, can't overdub, can reverse, can modify start/stop
points) or a delay (can't trigger, can overdub, can't reverse).  In delay
mode, you only get one loop.  Switching between delay and sampler modes
loses the loop.

- in delay mode, with the feedback at 100%, the loop's high frequencies
gradually vanish (my Sony doesn't do that)

- no level indicators, though trial and error was sufficient

- very limited MIDI control - can't control delay time, input level, or
feedback.

- modulation controls in delay mode are pre-feedback, so they're destructive

On the plus side:

- tap tempo

- 12 sec. of recording in delay mode (1 loop)

- 24 sec in sample mode (which is divided into 12+12, 6+6+12, 12+6+6 or
6+6+6+6).

One idiosyncracy is that in delay mode, if you change the delay time while
a loop is playing, it gets time-stretched instead of pitch-shifted.  Maybe
this is a limitation; I haven't decided whether I like it.

I haven't gotten into sampler mode at all yet.  Maybe it would work well as
a way to capture loops from elsewhere and trigger them on the fly (which
you can do via MIDI).


> also, anyone ever try fooling around with any of these new dj-style
> looper/sampling stations?

I'm wondering about those too.  There've been a few posts about the Dr.
Sample...


Take care,

Doug


--
Doug Wyatt                             doug@sonosphere.com
Sonosphere (electric/improv music)     http://www.sonosphere.com/


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Hello Patrick,

Let me answer to your questions about my DJRND2 :

1)RECORDING TIME

The 1mn 28 sec are an average recording time since it is not so easy to
express it exactly !

Due to my loop recording method, the recording time depends on the
sampling frequency of course, but also on the tempo in BPM since this
last parameter must be given before recording to reach to perfect beat
looping.

This is why I express the recording time in terms of colunns , 3840
colunns exactly for the total 14 stereo loops.

Now, I can give you the magic formula to convert it into seconds :

Total recording time (seconds) = 3840*rhythmic_coef/sampling_freq(Hz)

make rhythmic_coef = (60*sampling_freq(Hz))/(32*tempo(BPM))
  if rhythmic_coef > 1023 then divide by 2 until it is ok;
  if rhythmic_coef < 512  then multiply by 2 until it is ok;

For instance :

At Fs=32 kHz, 120 BPM (Tekno) gives 120 sec (rhythmic_coef=1000)
At Fs=32 kHz,  90 BPM (Rap)   gives  80 sec (rhythmic_coef=667)
At Fs=40 kHz, 120 BPM (Tekno) gives  60 sec (rhythmic_coef=625)
At Fs=40 kHz,  90 BPM (Rap)   gives  80 sec (rhythmic_coef=833)

As you can see in this typical example, upgrading the sampling frequency
from 32 to 40 kHz in a possible next version keeps the same recording
time for RAP music (1 mn 20 sec), but divides by 2 the Tekno recording
time (1 mn instead of 2).

In fact, it does not seem to be a problem at all when using the DJRND2
because you never matter the loop time since the number of measures
remains always predefined for each loop.

No problem I say except maybe for Dance music which tempo is similar to
Tekno but with some lirics on, so these poor lirics will be cut in 2 !

Anyway, it remains a good fun !


2)RECORDING SUPPORT

It is a 16 Mbyte Dynamic RAM memory, 72 pin SIMM package, EDO or PGM.

But you do not need to mind about it, since it is already in the device.

There is no way for saving loops, since they are made from pre-recorded
supports (LP's, CD's, tapes, radio), and you can still reloop them very
easily with the DJRND2 (It's more fun than keeping the loops !)

Nevertheless, you can still use the device as a looping catcher, and
record what you have just looped into a digital machine (PC, DAT, MD
...). As loops are recorded on live with a correct level, you won't lose
much about the noise ratio once printed on a digital support, even using
an analog link (cinch). You just have to notice the tempo of your loops
to chop them again on your PC software for instance.

Keep on mind that the DJRND2 has been designed to be used on live first.


3)EXPANDING ?

No, not for the moment, because if I upgrade it to 32 Megabyte right now
for instance, I have 2 choices :

- have 28 stereo loops instead of 14, which is maybe for the moment not
necessary, and the DJRND2 core couldn't reach it with its little CPU, or

- have the 14 loops twice longer, and then let's take a cup of tea until
the loop has finished recording : too long indeed and maybe a bit boring
and harder to manage.

DJRND2 has been made to be fun to use !


4) 1/4" INPUTS ?

Excuse me, but I do not understand what you mean about it.
I suppose it's about connections, and if so, the DJRND2 one's are cinch
connectors (for the moment)


5) TESTING THE DJRND2:

Yes ! with pleasure !
But how can we proceed now ?

I suppose you are not living in Europe, and probably in USA ?
If so, I think it will be hard for us to meet.

So, I won't be able to come and see you for a demonstration, unless I
book a flight, and I am not very reach for the moment !

But I still can lend you a prototype if you want.
For the moment, I have some waiting at home, so it's always possible.

But once all of my prototypes will be lent, I will have to build some
new ones, and of course this way has its limits : money !

So, what I can do is sending to you a prototype if you want so you could
keep it during a certain time to use it, meanwhile I keep on finding
other users.

But once all of my first present prototypes are lent, I will ask the
first people to buy them or to give them back.

To have some prototypes manufactured in FRANCE by tiny batches, I demand
the equivalent of 6000 Francs ( about 1070 Dollars, 1 Dollar = 5.60
Francs ) (+ sending cost ?)
 

6) OTHER TECHNICAL POINTS

- the DJRND2 hasn't got any MIDI link, since it is a total automotive
audio looping process. It works just like a player in terms of beat
(BPM) and angular position. (The BACK/FORW keys could be compared with
LP's scratching philosophicaly spoken, the effects being quite
different)

- there is no footswitch, so you can hardly use it yourself as an
instrumentalist. Meaning that you will need somebody else to loop your
guitar performances.

- looping live CD's and LP's, this is exactly what the DJRND2 has been
designed for !

(*******************************************************************)

Voila !

Thank you for your interest

Looking forward to hearing again from you soon.

Best regards

Emmanuel PERILLE
Villemomble (near Paris)
FRANCE
perille@club-internet.fr
http://www.club-internet.fr/membres/perille

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>Moving to Kyma, so...

Hi Eric,
Perhaps you could tell me

What are the looping possibilities of Kyma?
Is kyma software of hardware?
What platform does it need?


Gareth

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>>Moving to Kyma, so...
>
>Hi Eric,
>Perhaps you could tell me
>
>What are the looping possibilities of Kyma?
don't know
>Is kyma software of hardware?
both
>What platform does it need?
Mac
>
>
>Gareth
>
I've never heard one of these, but I'd like to soon.

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Happy Thanksgiving all,

I found this on Kyma, haven't explored the site yet.

http://www.symbolicsound.com/eighth.html

jeff

camuscar@globaldialog.com wrote:

> >>Moving to Kyma, so...
> >
> >Hi Eric,
> >Perhaps you could tell me
> >
> >What are the looping possibilities of Kyma?
> don't know
> >Is kyma software of hardware?
> both
> >What platform does it need?
> Mac
> >
> >
> >Gareth
> >
> I've never heard one of these, but I'd like to soon.

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Hello Michael,

I am sorry, but I haven't prepared some waves on the Net for the moment
although I have already recorded things backed up on MD's.

I am still not sure it could have proved something for someone who has
not already seen the DJRND2 working.

Nevertheless, let me tell you something I did this week as I am use to
make some funny intuitive things with it :

As I like looping FM radio stations, last day I tuned at random on a
philosophical conversation.

I tapped the speech rate and directly recorded several coupled-up loops.
Some were great!

I immediatly went off the SINC position to repress TAP to display the
loops tempo : something like 78 BPM.

So I fetched a rap music record which I knew it could musicaly fit well
with.

I started playing the disc, tapped the tempo and trimmed it accurately,
and pressed SINC again.

An automatic pitch-shifted synchronization in terms of BPM and Bar had
begun so the DJRND2 correctly fit the looped speech in the disc tempo.

Then I recorded a couple of wheels from the LP while drums and bass, and
that was it.

I could record the result on MD while I was juggling between speech
wheels with the background drums and bass loops spinning.

Funny !

Did you have a look at http://www.club-internet.fr/membres/perille  ?

So long

Emmanuel PERILLE
perille@club-internet.fr
Villemomble (near Paris)
FRANCE

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At 08:12 PM 11/14/98 -0500, you wrote:
>In a message dated 11/13/98 7:25:57 PM Mid-Atlantic Standard Time,
>unitcirc@keys.com writes:
>
><< http://www.intonarumori.com/set-up.html >>
>kevin......thanks for the stage set-up......the rest was a wonderfull
>earfull......thanks........michael
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In a message dated 11/26/98 4:34:23 PM, whiteoak@dial.pipex.com writes:

>What are the looping possibilities of Kyma?

Since it is a wide open system, I would think you would be able to set up
nearly any looping scenario you desire.

>Is kyma software or hardware?

Both. Kyma is the software used to run the Capybara hardware, which is a
3-space rackmountable box that contains the DSP cards

>What platform does it need?

It runs on Mac, and PC, as well as laptops (thru a PCMCIA interface).

The price of a basic ystem has dropped to $3300, tres cool.....


Marshall

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>I just picked up a used EDP and was curious if there is any software out
>there for editing/controlling it.
>
>I've checked the FAQ but have not seen any reference to an editor

actually, no, I don't think there is. (other than max patch hacks I've made
for testing things, you're welcome to have those if you want.)

Also, if anybody out there would be interested in creating a nice editor
for the echoplex, please contact me!

kim


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Greetings,
here's a question for you all.
I hooked up my EDP to my Planet Phatt. I use the EDP to send MIDI 
Clock. For some reason, the feedback pedal acts as a MIDI controller, 
affecting the tonal balance of the Planet Phatt. I finally turned off 
all controllers on the Planet Phatt, to get a clean sound.

Has anyone else experienced this.
Louis Hesselt-van-Dinter
editor
Music Uncovered

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anyone know any good ones... theres so many to choose from and i really
don't want to waste all that time.
i've tried phatboy and mellosoftron. i don't like the way mst resamples the
wavs instead of changing the pitch... is this a problem with all software
or just  
	these guys? and as for phatboy, i've still getting it to get past the
first screen without an error.
i'm looking for any good real-time sampler, preferably with multi-tets and
multi-tunings but i won't be that picky. a nice interface is probably the
most important thing to me... and of course ones that don't change the
orignal wavs... without me wanting to of course.

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At 8:08 AM -0800 11/27/98, muman@eskimo.com wrote:
>Greetings,
>here's a question for you all.
>I hooked up my EDP to my Planet Phatt. I use the EDP to send MIDI
>Clock. For some reason, the feedback pedal acts as a MIDI controller,
>affecting the tonal balance of the Planet Phatt. I finally turned off
>all controllers on the Planet Phatt, to get a clean sound.

The echoplex sends feedback out as a continuous controller message. Seems
that in your case it happens to be sending on a controller number also used
by the Planet Phatt. There are two things you can do.

The Echoplex determines which controller number is used for feedback with
the "FeedBkCont" parameter. You might want to check and see which
controller #'s the Planet Phatt uses and set the Echoplex to use a
different one that won't do anything to the PP.

Or, you could set the echoplex to be on a different midi channel than the
Planet Phatt. Midi clock is independent of midi channel, so this won't
affect your ability to sync the two. If the echoplex is on a different midi
channel, the Planet Phatt should ignore any cc messages it sends, but still
use the midi clock.

kim

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At 2:27 PM -0800 11/25/98, Thomas Rupolo wrote:
>My question concrens what might appear to be the limited functionality
>of the Undo function.  My Echoplex is currently maxed out at 198 sec.
>Many times I've overdubbed something onto loop 1, and then listened to
>it once and instantly realized I made a horrible mistake.  When I press
>Undo it does not erase the last overdubbeed layer.
>
>The manual refers to the fact that memory may not be available.  Does
>that refer to the total length of the memory available or just the time
>remaining in the individual loop?  Do I need to press Undo instantly?
>Do I need to change any settings?  Or is this just a "known problem."
>
>Whenever possible, I of course copy to the next loop before overdubbing
>to prevent mangling my loops, but if I could just undo it would save me
>a few steps to be sure.  Also when I have 9 loops filled That option is
>not available.

ok, a few things to consider for you here:

For Undo, it's the memory available for that particular loop that matters,
not the whole memory. I gather you regularly have it set for 9 loops? So
you really only have 22 seconds available for each loop, which is
definitely limited for Undo. There just won't be much room to save previous
versions of your loops. If your loop is more than about 7  seconds, you
won't be able to undo at all. For Undo to be possible, the plex needs
memory to save your current version, the previous version, plus "working
room" for creating new versions. Memory limits seems the most likely thing
you are experiencing. You might want to try setting MoreLoops to 1 for a
bit just to play around with Undo some and get the full experience of it
without encountering any memory limits. Then you should have no trouble
removing numerous Overdubs. That would be a good way to practice with it to
get a really good feel for using it well, which should help when using it
with tighter memory.

Also, make sure you know the difference between a long-press of Undo and a
short-press. Long-press will remove everything overdubbed during an entire
pass of the loop, whereas short-press removes overdubs after the point
where you tap Undo. (useful when you want to keep the first part of the
overdub, but want to take out the end.) If you do a short-press towards the
end of the loop, it would only remove a small bit which you might not even
notice. If you had really intended to do the long-press type of undo, this
could seem like nothing happened.

Further, learn to be conscious of when you are actually overdubbing. The
echoplex will not use up memory if there is no input happening. But as soon
as there is, it considers that entire pass a new change and saves that
entire pass in a new bit of memory, available for undo. If you are not
paying attention, it is easy to use a lot more memory than you think.

For example, if you happen to start your overdub just before the startpoint
of the loop, continue overdubbing over a whole pass of the loop, and stop
overdubbing just after the end of the loop, you will actually have used
three new sections of memory instead of just one! When you press Undo the
first time, you will remove that last little bit hanging over the end of
the loop, which you may hardly even notice! You have to press Undo a second
time to take away the main overdub. And if memory is limited, that little
bit may be the only thing you are able to Undo, and all the meat of the
overdub will be permanently mixed in. So try to be conscious of that, and
not overdub more than necessary, or make sure you have enough memory
available to accomodate 2 or more undo layers.

Review the section of the manual on Undo again, too. I find it very helpful
to understand what the echoplex is doing with memory when you are
overdubbing and undoing. You know what the limits are and what's possible
and what's not at any given point. The manual has a reasonable explanation
of how it works, with some pictures.

hope this helps,

kim



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My EDP footpedal record button is recently showing erratic behavior;
starting another recording when I press to stop, starting another recording
when I release it, or just not starting the instant I press it.  If I'm very
precise (use my big toe rather than my foot!) it's usually normal.  Since
this is irregular behavior, I'm assuming my parameters are unchanged and
okay.  I'm wondering if the switch is starting to fail (the unit is less
than a year old).  If so, can I repair or replace the switch?   Thanks in
advance for any suggestions.                                        Grover  

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Those switches come from mouser, http://www.mouser.com. I just took a look
on the site, I think it's part number 103-50211. they cost $1.65 for one.
You might want to check the p/n with Oberheim to be sure. heck, maybe
they'll even send you a replacement. They're very easy to replace in the
pedal.

kim


>My EDP footpedal record button is recently showing erratic behavior;
>starting another recording when I press to stop, starting another recording
>when I release it, or just not starting the instant I press it.  If I'm very
>precise (use my big toe rather than my foot!) it's usually normal.  Since
>this is irregular behavior, I'm assuming my parameters are unchanged and
>okay.  I'm wondering if the switch is starting to fail (the unit is less
>than a year old).  If so, can I repair or replace the switch?   Thanks in
>advance for any suggestions.                                        Grover


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At 11:31 AM -0800 11/25/98, Steven Barnes wrote:
>OK, got my Echoplex, thanks to the group buy...
>
>After hearing a cool drone project, I wanted to try a reverse delay.  There
>doesn't
>seem to be a way to do this on the Echoplex.  I can reverse the loop, but
>then my
>overdubs are not reversed.

not sure exactly what you're looking for, but to me it's perfect that the
overdubs don't get reversed. That way you can get overdubs going both
directions! you're coming and going and going and coming....

Some other reverse tricks I've found:

(set insert mode to reverse, so you always have it convenient on the button...)

- End a record by tapping reverse instead of tapping record again. What you
just played immediately goes backwards. Especially cool with sounds that
are percussive with a long sustain, like piano or guitar chords, but you
knew that.

- Do the same above, but set feedback to 0. Then it only plays once for a
cool, quick forward-reverse effect. Anytime you want to do another one,
just do the record-reverse sequence again. Nice because you don't have to
setup any loop length ahead of time or anything. Whenever you want it,
whatever length, it's right there. Easy to keep things in rhythm too.

- Do the same, except turn mix all the way to loop. The you just get the
backwards part, for those instant look-ma-I'm-jimi tricks.

- record a loop length, put feedback at 0. leave overdub on. play stuff,
tap reverse. play stuff, tap reverse, etc. Easier than the record-reverse
approach above in that it only takes one press, when you finish a phrase.
you have to be a bit careful though, since it's easy to end up leaving
something in the loop somewhere, which is likely to suddenly pop up again
when you don't expect it. I find I can keep things under control if I stop
playing right as I tap reverse. However, if you're not trying to keep
things under control, you can go pretty nutty this way. Try leaving
feedback up some, get really crazy...

Also, I always find that backwards reverb sounds kinda crappy. Good idea to
run dry for the reverse stuff, maybe put the reverb after the loops. Unless
you like the sound of crappy backwards reverb, of course...

>It also seems as if once I reverse the loop, I cannot undo any overdubs that
>happened
>before the reversal.

yeah, you can't undo anything prior to a reverse. It's a bummer, but
programming that was just way too hard/impossible with a simple processor.
The undo/reverse combo takes some serious memory management! You have to
work around that one, I'm afraid.


>BTW, I'm having problems in general with getting my overdubs and undos to be
>timed
>to the cycle correctly.  I usually get a little snippet of the overdub still
>in the loop after
>an undo.  Any tips would be appreciated.  (Having the EDP count down the
>remaining
>time the loop would be extremely useful in this regard)

pay attention to where the startpoints of the loop are, note the stuff I
said about undo in the other mail, and practice with it some. You'll get
the hang of it. Or you could apply the
clear-cutting/stripmining/carpet-bombing method of undo use, where anytime
you think you want to take something out, just whack undo repeatedly to be
sure you got it. :-)

kim

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There can't be that many bassists on this list, or else someone else would
have mentioned Michael Manring by now. He's definitely a (shocking) bassist
first and foremost, but has been enjoying a little looping recently. Here's
a bit from a review of a recent Manring concert by Ashton Treadway
<ashton@tundra.org>, posted to "The Bottom Line":

"
Snakes Got Legs" from Thonk, and, well, erm. Jesus H.P. Laserjet CHRIST.
Michael started with the four-string headless fretted bass, laying down a
slapped percussion, and looping it. He then laid down the primary riff for
the song, and looped that over the first "thump" loop. While this was
playing, he played against and over the two loops, and looped THAT. Then,
with the three loops playing, he put DOWN the original bass, picked up his
Michael Manring Zon HyperBass, and laid down some SCREAMING thrashmetal
licks over everything else, gleefully looping all the while. Before too much
longer, there were about twelve loops playing, all of them perfectly
integrated, and he stood there and just put his head in his hands like "My
God, what have I DONE" before putting down the Hyperbass and going back to
the four-string, gradually stripping loops off until he finished with just
him.

After that song, he said "He has some ISSUES left over from his
adolescence." in this high-school guidance-counselor voice. He's a damn
funny man onstage, and the audience LOVED him.

He's also an alien. I TOLD you.
"

According to his website (http://www.manthing.com), he's using two Lexicon
JamMan units for looping live. Last time he was in the UK, I didn't find out
until after he left. I'm NOT going to let that happen again! There's almost
NO looping action here in the UK, so I'm going to have to fill the gap
somehow. Either that or get off my own arse..? (hmmm)


Brian Thomson, London UK
bnt@ibm.net / bnt@email.com

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  LIBERTY's a glorious feast!
 COURTS for cowards were erected,
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I've just posted the last 2 realaudio tracks of my virtual album "Elastick".
You may want to check it out soon, as I might be replacing it with a new
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I've just posted the last 2 realaudio tracks of my virtual album "Elastick".
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www.tiac.net/users/rphunt

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Kim, thanks for the info re: replacing the Mouser footswitch on the EDP.
This will help make my (playing) life more predictable.   Appreciate the
help!                              Grover   
>
>

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hey folks,

sorry for the off-topic mail - i imagine that the brilliant readers of this
mailing list might be able to assist me (lots of oberheim edp and peavey
pc1600 users here!)  since i bought my awesome waldorf microwave 2 xt, i
look to my other gear with a whole new level of expectations.  last night,
i revisited my neglected oberheim matrix-1000, seeking better midi realtime
control of patch parameters (where are the knobs damnit?!!)  

at one point last year, i went through the process of setting up a couple
control patches on my peavey PC1600 midi controller to allow me to tweak
matrix-1000 patches in realtime.  in particular, of course, i wanted to be
able to adjust in realtime the filter cutoff and resonance, as well as
various other things like wave shapes, FM amount, mix, oscillator
frequencies, etc.  i used sysex strings from the pc1600 to map the sliders
and buttons to do these things.  unfortunately, when adjusting some of the
parameters in realtime, the synth would act strangely, hanging notes, etc.
 the worst of them all is the filter cutoff frequency.  the matrix-1000
sysex chart calls it the "VCF Initial Frequency" which sort of implies that
you're not supposed to be wiring this to a slider and reaming it with
values...

now, an alternative approach is to modify the matrix-1000 patch with a
modulator to map a continous controller to filter cutoff frequency, and
then set up a pc1600 slider to send that CC- this works beautifully.
obviously, this is less than ideal, because i have to modify the
matrix-1000 patch before i can tweak it from the pc1600, potentially
clobbering something else in the modulation matrix...  also, there are only
9 slots in the matrix, and only 4 or 5 possible CC's that act as sources in
the matrix.  so i can't really get control over a bunch of patch parameters
simultaneously.  (however, if this is my only option, i can set up the
pc1600 with a button which sends out a big sysex string to change the
synth's modulation matrix paths.) 

SO, now for the big mystery question.  at the very end of the matrix-1000
manual, there is a paragraph which implies that you can control patch
parameters from continuous controllers without the modulation matrix and
without sysex.   i however do not understand it, and after a couple hours
experimenting with pc1600 midi strings, was unable to get any results.
The "active continuous controllers" chart lists the following:

98  Non-Reg Parm LSB
99  Non-Reg Parm MSB
100 Reg Parm LSB
101 Reg Parm MSB

Registered parameters:
00  Pitch Bend Range
01  Fine Tune
02  Transpose

and then there is the following paragraph:
"Non-registered parameters may be used to control any parameter by using
the front panel parameter number.  Matrix modulations must be controlled by
use of the System Exclusive message.  When using registered or
non-registered parameter editing, all received data entry controller values
are offset by 40h, except when the currently selected paraemeter is the
register pitch bend range [...] this allows for transmission of negative
numbers."

this seems to imply that you can send one CC message with a parameter
number followed by another CC message with a value.  i tried sending CC 98
as the num and CC 99 as the value, and vice versa.  i tried all kinds of
things!  unfortunately my original MIDI 1.0 spec doesn't discuss this, and
the oberheim manual doesn't elaborate...  i don't have a chart of "front
panel parameter numbers" either.

sorry for the lengthy email.  i'm really hoping i can make my matrix-1000
more usable.

thanks!
-john

......................................................
john s cooper                     opcode systems, inc
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> One question.. When is it? Please don't say I've missed it.......
> 

nope. tour starts next week, dec 1 i believe, in woodstock. check out
www.papabear.com for a buncha info.

anyone gonna be at the bottom line, fri 2nd set?

andre'

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Rik,
For the GR1, I've found it to be very limited.  I just can't seem to
get it to sound fat.  I also have had problems with it's consistency
in live applications.  It's MIDI controll is inadaquate to drive
anything else.  As far as I can tell, they also never offered any
memory cards with any new sounds.  Did they?  Wana buy mine? CHEAP 




---Rik Myers <zanga@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
> >Has anyone used the Dr. Sample by roland?  I'm
> >interested but am wary after being duped by roland before with the
GR1.
> 
> Hey Dan, what do mean about being duped with the GR1? Just
curious...I have
> one, like it, play it alot (mostly synth pads) in conjunction with
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> Hasta -> Rik
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test

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>>Those switches come from mouser, http://www.mouser.com. I just took a look
>>on the site, I think it's part number 103-50211.

Any idea of a source for the input/output pots and mix/feedback pots? I've had
mix/feedback damaged in transit before, and in/out are now exhibiting some
crackling. Oberheim was nice enough to send some mix/feed pots but they can't
be expected to do that forever; be nice to know where to buy a direct
replacement.

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I was actually at this concert and I did mention it on this list.What
impressed me almost as much as "Snakes Got Legs"was the fact he worked
both Jammen(original pedals)with some BIG BOOTS on.:-)
By the way I am a bassist who primarily loops...

                        Scott
                        http://www.basscapes.com

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Hi Dan

>Rik,
>For the GR1, I've found it to be very limited.  I just can't seem to
>get it to sound fat.  I also have had problems with it's consistency
>in live applications.  It's MIDI controll is inadaquate to drive
>anything else.  As far as I can tell, they also never offered any
>memory cards with any new sounds.  Did they?  Wana buy mine? CHEAP 

Hmm, well, I dunno about cards for the GR-1. I guess I learned to work
around the limitations (aren't they ALWAYS there?). No probs live.

RE: cholesterol. I fatten all my digital stuff with tube preamps. Lately,
I've  been mighty fond of a Groove Tubes STPG-1 I picked up used. It let's
me abuse a real power amp section with EL34s and tranny and all and then
squirt out a line level signal to feed the board. When I mix the GR-1
signal, VG-8 signal, and raw guitar signal down and squirt it through a
dimed STPG-1 we get some pretty corpulescent action happening. But hey,
it's a matter of taste!

Mssr Coffin: I'll try to get some tunes to you soonly. I got married 12
hours ago and am taking a brief break from the festivities. After the dust
settles I'll get some material together. Love to improvise via email if you
wish. Wav or whatever.

Hasta -> Rico

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In a message dated 11/28/98 9:31:31 PM, you wrote:

<<>Rik,
>For the GR1, I've found it to be very limited.  I just can't seem to
>get it to sound fat.  I also have had problems with it's consistency
>in live applications.  It's MIDI controll is inadaquate to drive
>anything else.  As far as I can tell, they also never offered any
>memory cards with any new sounds.  Did they?  Wana buy mine? CHEAP 
>>

Ill buy it -It would make a good x-mas gift for my ambitious, novice looping
self-details?
Rand

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Hi

I just subscibed to your mailing list and now I'm getting copies of all the
mails sent to you here on my machine.

They're really quite entertaining but as I have had 14 in the last 24 hrs
they could get a little tiresome!

Can U help?

Rob

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Rob,

That's what happens when you subscribe to a mailing list: you get all the
mail sent to the list on your machine. What were you expecting?

Aden

>Hi
>
>I just subscibed to your mailing list and now I'm getting copies of all the
>mails sent to you here on my machine.
>
>They're really quite entertaining but as I have had 14 in the last 24 hrs
>they could get a little tiresome!
>
>Can U help?
>
>Rob



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In a message dated 11/29/98 1:31:31 AM Mid-Atlantic Standard Time,
zanga@mindspring.com writes:

<< I'll try to get some tunes to you soonly. I got married 12
 hours ago and am taking a brief break from the festivities. >>

what dedication!............................michael

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On 11/29/98 Rob C. said"
>Hi
>
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>mails sent to you here on my machine.
>
>They're really quite entertaining but as I have had 14 in the last 24 hrs
>they could get a little tiresome!
>
>Can U help?
>
>Rob

Rob,

Things have been slow this weekend due to the holiday in the states most
likely and no inflammatory topics. Traffic on this list can be very heavy
at times. You could either unsubscribe, get used to your delete key, or
subscribe to the digest version.

Patrick

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At 02:32 PM 11/29/98 EST, you wrote:
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><< I'll try to get some tunes to you soonly. I got married 12
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>what dedication!............................michael

Ha! More like "relief" than "dedication". Rik

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Hi Kim,

I don't know if you've had any other takers on your midi editor contact
offer. This is a project that I would be interested in.

Perhaps we can discuss details?

Jim






Kim Flint <kflint@annihilist.com> on 11/27/98 03:39:03 AM

Please respond to Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com

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>I just picked up a used EDP and was curious if there is any software out
>there for editing/controlling it.
>
>I've checked the FAQ but have not seen any reference to an editor

actually, no, I don't think there is. (other than max patch hacks I've made
for testing things, you're welcome to have those if you want.)

Also, if anybody out there would be interested in creating a nice editor
for the echoplex, please contact me!

kim


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All,

I apologise for spamming the list with a message intended for Kim alone.

Jim







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At 3:31 PM -0800 11/28/98, Bill Monk wrote:
>>>Those switches come from mouser, http://www.mouser.com. I just took a look
>>>on the site, I think it's part number 103-50211.
>
>Any idea of a source for the input/output pots and mix/feedback pots? I've had
>mix/feedback damaged in transit before, and in/out are now exhibiting some
>crackling. Oberheim was nice enough to send some mix/feed pots but they can't
>be expected to do that forever; be nice to know where to buy a direct
>replacement.

Don't know what vendors/part numbers they use for that on the echoplex
these days. Shouldn't matter too much though, you should be able to find
many that will work. Input/output pots are 10k audio taper, mix and
feedback are both 50k linear. The form factor I think is a pretty common
vertical, PC mount type.

kim

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In a message dated 98-11-28 17:45:14 EST, you write:

<< Wana buy mine? CHEAP  >>
How much do you want for the Dr. Sample?

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Hello, Grover!  I had the RECORD button fail on me as well.  Of course, it happened the 
night before my first looper performance. :)  I replaced the button with a much 
"taller" one as that was the only replacement I could find on short notice (I went to 
Radio Shack).  It turns out that I LIKE the "unmatched" RECORD button better that the 
original.  I find it easier to use and locate, sort of like those bumps on the 'G' and 
'H' keys (or 'F' and 'J' keys) on a computer keyboard.  I recommend trying the larger 
size, perhaps while you're waiting on an identical replacement from Mouser.  You'll 
probably need a couple of washers as the original button uses quite a large diameter 
mounting hole.

- Dennis Leas
-- 
dennis@mdbs.com

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Hi to all!
I am looking to write some MIDI stuff in Visual Basic 5.0.
I have searched the help and www - can only find Multi-Media player 
control, which does not let me get to the real midi data stream.

I need a custom control (like the MSComm control) that lets me talk to/from 
MIDI devices already registered into the Win95 environment.
(like my MusicQuest 8-port-SE or soundblaster MIDI port.)
Any leads?
Thanks.
PS - any interested V.B. hackers out there want to talk MIDI code?  email me!
Chuck Joy - crs@usa.net

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Hi Chuck,

Check Mabry software on the web -- http://www.mabry.com/ . They offer a
complete MIDI OCX (and VBX) custom control kit for VB (the MIDI Pack)
which, in addition to MIDI I/O and standard MIDI file capability, even
includes knobs, sliders, and pseudo-LED displays! You can download a trial
version at their site. It is fully functional but brings up an annoying
dialog box whenever you run a program containing a demo control. 

There is also an excellent book/CD combination by Paul Messick, called
"Maximum MIDI", published by Manning.  The URL is:
http://www.manning.com/Messick/ . The author was Director of Engineering
for Music Quest, where he developed MIDI interfaces and drivers. He is
incredibly knowledgeable and uses the book to share what he has learned.
This is definitely C++ oriented but contains loads of excellent explanatory
material about timing and other low level MIDI I/O stuff in Windows, and
comes with a dll (dynamic link library) that handles many MIDI functions,
and which can be accessed with Visual Basic, although that is not mentioned
in the book. The book includes well commented source code for the DLL and
other programs that are on the CD. When you buy the book, you are eligible
to partipate in an online forum in which the author is (or was -- I haven't
checked into it for many months) an active participant. That is where I
read that the dll can be used with VB. If you really want to understand how
MIDI works on the Windows PC, this is definitely the book to read.

There are a few older books that relate to DOS or the Atari ST. The Atari
based one is actually a generally useful source of information about MIDI
and MIDI programming. It contains Atari Basic source code for several
useful programs, including a sequencer. With a bit of work, much of this
could be ported to VB. It is "The Musician's Guide to MIDI", by Christian
Braut, and is published by Sybex.

Hope this helps.

All the best,

Howard

At 03:39 PM 11/30/98 -0700, you wrote:
>Hi to all!
>I am looking to write some MIDI stuff in Visual Basic 5.0.
>I have searched the help and www - can only find Multi-Media player 
>control, which does not let me get to the real midi data stream.
>
>I need a custom control (like the MSComm control) that lets me talk to/from 
>MIDI devices already registered into the Win95 environment.
>(like my MusicQuest 8-port-SE or soundblaster MIDI port.)
>Any leads?
>Thanks.
>PS - any interested V.B. hackers out there want to talk MIDI code?  email me!
>Chuck Joy - crs@usa.net
>
>
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Hello, first of all. I'm happy to see this mailing list exists!
    Anyway I've been doing stuff since 6th grade(writing MIDI sequences for
for "Adlib FM" type playback). 2 years ago, I bought a wavetable soundcard(I
thought it would solve my music wishes). The wavetable sucked, but its
16bit44khz dac came in handy- as I could loop beats and sounds! The only
thing is: How can I arrange collections of samples (like in a musical
sequence) ,and add nice sounding drums or backbeats using what I have and
software? What software? Do I need a new Soundfont compatible soundcard to
treat custom samples like MIDI notes? or what? please help.


