From ???@??? Thu Oct 01 10:40:23 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id GAA14417; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 06:44:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 06:44:31 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <361356E0.3E1215CC@bellsouth.net> Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 06:18:08 -0400 From: Jeff Duke X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Zoom 2100 References: <199809300706.DAA01628@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"leCqx.0.b53.VPr4s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1837 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com i found the manual in pdf at - http://www.zoom.co.jp/english/index.html jeff David Myers wrote: > >This new Zoom seems pretty good. I just downloaded the manual and it has > >some whacky capabilities. > > Can you give the address for the manual download? Thanks.... From ???@??? Thu Oct 01 21:36:41 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id MAA22554; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 12:17:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 12:17:10 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <36136245.9330F7B3@nyfac.com> Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 12:06:45 +0100 From: "Trevor D. Bajus, purveyor of the new rock" Reply-To: nyfac2@nyfac.com Organization: Second Foundation X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Recordings References: <000f01bded51$82fd1580$c5b854ce@mark.asisoftware.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"CEvrV2.0.ul4.QSw4s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1839 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com For me, in heavy rotation: Codeine: White Birch Three Mile Pilot: The Chief Assassin to the Sinister Idaho: The Palms EP Thinking Fellers Union Local 282: Strangers From The Universe and obssesively, in a come-home-drunk-a-3:30-in-the-morning-with-work-the-next-day, but-you-have-to-listen-to-the-whole-damn-thing-before-you-go-to-sleep kind of way: Barkmarket: L Ron. How can one band rock so damned hard? hugs and kisses: trevor From ???@??? Thu Oct 01 21:36:08 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id PAA17287; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 15:11:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 15:11:19 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 15:47:41 +0400 Message-ID: <000194B9.4007@poyry.com.br> From: miguel.barella@poyry.com.br (MAT) Subject: Re[2]: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V98 #148 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Resent-Message-ID: <"9W8Ld2.0.ku3.97z4s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1845 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Anyone else got ideas of unusual places to do it? Yes, I would really love to play in a Planetarium with all the stars projected and adding some fractal images to the "sky". Miguel From ???@??? Thu Oct 01 21:36:17 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id QAA26375; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 16:06:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 16:06:54 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 14:26:12 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: patrick@his.com (Patrick Smith) Subject: Re[2]Unusual performing Places Resent-Message-ID: <"Eq_bP.0.X36.1xz4s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1847 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Garrick wrote: >Anyone else got ideas of unusual places to do it? And then Migule replied: > >Yes, I would really love to play in a Planetarium with all the stars projected >and adding some fractal images to the "sky". > >Miguel FingerPaint performed at a planetarium on the Montgomry College Campus in Takoma Park, MD. There was also suppossed to be a laser light show as part of the evening. But we played there three time over the course of two years and never saw much of a show. The stars were kind of nice though. Patrick Now Available: FingerPaint Primary Colors: BLUE A guitar-synth looping duo of dark illbience and dreamy ambience. Shockwave audio featuring our newest release Primary Colors:Blue www.fingerpaint.net From ???@??? Thu Oct 01 10:40:47 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id LAA17027; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 11:46:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 11:46:00 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <000f01bded51$82fd1580$c5b854ce@mark.asisoftware.com> From: Mark@asisoftware.com (Mark Kata) To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: Recordings Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 11:38:17 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"OBlBO2.0.HY3.X0w4s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1838 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I guess that our recent debate about the legalities of sampling took the wind out of the list. So, since there have been very few posts to LD, what recordings can everyone recommend? Lately, I've been listening to: "Forever Sharp and Vivid" by David Torn (guitar), Chris Massey (drums) and David Castiglione (bass clarinet and sax). "Unfolded Like Staircase" by Discipline (a Detroit area band that sounds like Genesis and Gentle Giant circa 1974) "Rhinoplasty" by Primus Mark Kata Mark@asisoftware.com From ???@??? Thu Oct 01 21:36:38 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id NAA32372; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 13:25:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 13:25:29 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 12:34:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199810011634.MAA15411@user1.channel1.com> X-Sender: seahorse@user1.channel1.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Frank Gerace Subject: Re: Recordings Resent-Message-ID: <"Y5gTO3.0.KU7.SWx4s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1840 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I've been listening to Jeff Pearce - Vestiges breathtakingly beautiful soundscapes Sabot - A great band from Boston, dark, eerie, a bit like King Crimson's Islands Fingerpaint- Blue the sound of machines vreating the universe Beatles - Revolver Michelle Abby w/ Doug Robinson - Spinner sort of Laura Nyro meets Rickie Lee Jones w/ a jazzier George MArtin producing Faith and Disease - Insularia more haunting dark gothy folkish stuff Frank Gerace Dreamchild At 11:38 AM 10/1/98 -0400, you wrote: >I guess that our recent debate about the legalities of sampling took the >wind out of the list. > >So, since there have been very few posts to LD, what recordings can everyone >recommend? > >Lately, I've been listening to: > >"Forever Sharp and Vivid" by David Torn (guitar), Chris Massey (drums) and >David Castiglione (bass clarinet and sax). > >"Unfolded Like Staircase" by Discipline (a Detroit area band that sounds >like Genesis and Gentle Giant circa 1974) > >"Rhinoplasty" by Primus > >Mark Kata >Mark@asisoftware.com > > > > From ???@??? Thu Oct 01 11:05:50 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id NAA03448; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 13:50:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 13:50:55 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3613BEA4.2A949AA@dial.pipex.com> Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 18:40:52 +0100 From: Gareth Whittock X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com CC: Loopers-Delight-d@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V98 #148 References: <199810010707.DAA31965@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"sKUct.0.KM.Pux4s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1841 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi Dave + other interested parties > > Can you give the address for the manual download? Thanks.... > > It's at http://www.zoom.co.jp/english/index.html Look in the news section where there's a press release and a .pdf formatted manual, (acrobat format) From ???@??? Thu Oct 01 11:53:10 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id NAA04692; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 13:58:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 13:58:33 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3613BFE6.890978E@dial.pipex.com> Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 18:46:14 +0100 From: Gareth Whittock X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com CC: Loopers-Delight-d@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V98 #148 References: <199810010707.DAA31965@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"lyxSd.0.NZ.Nzx4s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1842 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I forgot to say, I'm going to try one of these Zooms next monday. so I'll give you a short review if you like. Scanning through some of the past year's digests I was particularly intrigued by some mention of loopisms in unusual venues. There's a cave complex quite near where I live and I've always wanted to do a really atmospheric gig there. I might look into it, (the idea, not the cave). Anyone else got ideas of unusual places to do it? From ???@??? Thu Oct 01 11:53:11 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id OAA05777; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 14:04:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 14:04:33 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3613C2ED.D3DCE70F@texas.net> Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 12:59:13 -0500 From: Bobdog Catlin Reply-To: psbuddha@texas.net Organization: Pseudo Buddha/Doghouse Ent. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Recordings References: <000f01bded51$82fd1580$c5b854ce@mark.asisoftware.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"S137_.0.Y_.48y4s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1843 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com well mark - here's what i've been listening to; some loopy, some not: i've been spending time with Seven Veils by robert rich (d. torn on 2 tracks). very dreamy, very dark. the latest madeski-martin-wood, Combustication, is nice. i don't know if i like the turntable stuff, though; hiphop music culture isn't my bag, i think it's a little too trendy. (i guess i'll get a bunch of mail about that comment being close-minded or whatever. sorry. not saying it's bad, just saying it's not for me.) i've been listening to some older stuff too: Dream by u. srinivas, michael brook, et al, almost never leaves my cd tray. golly. the 1st steve tibbets on cuneiform is fun. i just got it & never knew that he was such a rock-god style player. hendrix, mclaughlin, & page influences all over his sleeve. Homage To Our Guru by aashish khan & indranil bhattacharya is some amazing raga duet. sarod vs. sitar reminiscent of ravi & ali akbar in the 50's & 60's. that's my 2 cents! bobdog From ???@??? Thu Oct 01 11:53:13 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id OAA11024; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 14:32:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 14:32:17 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 11:22:17 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel) Subject: Re: Recordings Resent-Message-ID: <"Mby2C1.0.bx1.OQy4s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1844 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >I guess that our recent debate about the legalities of sampling took the >wind out of the list. > >So, since there have been very few posts to LD, what recordings can everyone >recommend? > My recent faves have been, in no particular order: DJ Spooky: Riddim Warfare - Finally, his second "official" full length, after various samplers, remixes and limited-release art projects. Much more hip hop and less ambient than "Songs of a Dead Dreamer", with occaisional raps by Kool Keith and Sir Menelik. A very good hip hop record, perhaps equal to PE's "Fear of a Black Planet". He's playing nearby in a few weeks, and I'll be there. Shudder To Think: the soundtrack to High Art - the guitarist I play with is a huge STT fan, and I've always liked their stuff that he's played for me. This record is pretty surprising: dark, ambient guitar and vocal washes, some morricone-esquetrip-hop, and a couple of low key pop tunes. It's a really effective record, and made me want to see the film, which is also quite good. Henry Kaiser/Waddada Leo Smith: Yo, Miles - No looping here, just a very solid collection of '70's electric Miles Davis tunes, particularly from the more guitar-driven Jack Johnson through Pangea period. Kaiser and Nels Cline on guitar, Smith on trumpet, the ROVA sax quartet, Michael Manring on bass, and many others. This period of Mile's music is an enormous influence on me, some of the first improvised music I ever heard, and I didn't have very high expectations of this record living up to the originals, and, to it's benefir, it doesn't really try, it just uses the tunes as blowing vehicles, and sounds great. Hamster Theatre: Siege on Hamburger City - Probably the most obscure thing here. Dave Willey is an old acquaintance of mine I first met about 18 years ago when he had just graduated from high school, he was a phenomenal keyboardist and guitarist then. I kind of lost track of him after he moved to Boulder Colorado. A mutual friend sent me this, the new CD from his current band. Very cool stuff. Dave plays mostly accordian here and wrotes most of the material. It's kind of like a cross between some of Fred Frith's more avant takes on Eastern European folk musics, Bulgarian wedding music, and an almost Naked City-esque precision. Incredible fun stuff. All the more amazing, this CD was recorded live> Contact info: Hamster Theatre, 35047 Boulder Canyon Drive, Boulder, CO 80302, dhamster@hotmail.com ________________________________________________________ Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org : www.peak.org/~improv/ "...there will come a day when you won't have to use gasoline. You'd simply take a cassette and put it in your car, let it run. You'd have to have the proper type of music. Like you take two sticks, put 'em together, make fire. You take some notes and rub 'em together - dum, dum, dum, dum - fire, cosmic fire." -Sun Ra ________________________________________________________ From ???@??? Fri Oct 02 23:51:54 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id TAA15450; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 19:29:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 19:29:16 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Collins" To: Subject: Re: Recordings Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 15:28:43 -0400 Message-ID: <01bded71$b3b4cd60$221bbfa8@0QHC6SIA> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"d5cBf2.0.J43.htL5s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1870 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com OK, you've got my attention with all this recordings stuff. Here goes mine. Harras: with John Zorn, Derek Bailey, And William Parker Jim O'Rourke: Remove the Need Main: Hz Lots of Shred Guitar music Minus: Dave Trenkel's band Jeff Pearce: Vestiges There you go. By the way...does anyone else here besides me like MAIN w/ Robert Hampson? Jeff Collins http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Stadium/1429/STRANGETONES.html From ???@??? Thu Oct 01 21:36:18 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id QAA26285; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 16:06:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 16:06:14 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 15:56:10 -0400 From: Andreas Willers Subject: Re: Recordings Sender: Andreas Willers To: "INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Message-ID: <199810011556_MC2-5B44-A94B@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"i54Ra3.0.Fy5.duz4s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1846 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Not very 'up to date', but anyway: after some time of moving around a lot I recently set up my old record player again and had a lot of fun revisiting early 70's British art rock (Colosseum, Gentle Giant, King Crimson) as well as some nice jazz stuff from that period (Circle: Braxton, Holland, Corea & Altshul; Vienna Art Orchestra). There is a lesser know outing in quartett format by pianist Bob Degen with Terumasa Hino on tpt where they are dramatically deconstructing an odd-meter ostinato into cacophony over a 13 minute period and still make it back to the head ('Children of the Night', ENJA ca. '78) that I always liked a lot.....hey, wouldn't it be great to have a looper that can (on command) apply some kind of variation to the material it is cycling - possibly reacting to what the soloist is doing? Can any of these computer based systems do things like that? Best, Andreas From ???@??? Thu Oct 01 21:36:26 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id QAA31633; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 16:37:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 16:37:12 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.32.19981001132504.006c0270@popper.simi-valley.tt.slb.com > X-Sender: cavaleri@popper.simi-valley.tt.slb.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 13:25:06 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Joe Cavaleri Subject: Re: Recordings Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"KfLM-1.0.av6.3E-4s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1848 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 11:38 AM 10/1/98 -0400, you wrote: >I guess that our recent debate about the legalities of sampling took the >wind out of the list. > >So, since there have been very few posts to LD, what recordings can everyone >recommend? > >Lately, I've been listening to: Thanks for bringing up the subjet.. Khmer Nils Potter Molvaer. This was mentioned on the "powerspot" list. I like this CD alot - Simply Wonderful Goldbug Ben Neill Triptycal Ben Neill Majorn Richard Horwitz & Susan Deyhim The White Rim of Heavan Brian Gingrich (features torn) joe From ???@??? Thu Oct 01 21:36:34 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id RAA06040; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 17:12:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 17:12:17 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 14:00:06 -0700 Message-ID: <00130E6F.CE21407@wj.com> From: Mike.Biffle@wj.com (Mike Biffle) Subject: Re[3]: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V98 #148 To: miguel.barella@poyry.com.br (MAT), loopers-delight@annihilist.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Resent-Message-ID: <"_eBsT1.0.J01.2u-4s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1849 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Miguel Barella wrote... >Yes, I would really love to play in a Planetarium with all the stars projected >and adding some fractal images to the "sky". Henry Kaiser does a yearly space jam up at Chabot Planetarium in the Oakland hills of California... He invites a few others to accompany the visuals. It's pretty cool. I have to say it sounds like a perfect context for loopers to me as well... It's worth asking the director or manager of a site if they have any regular events and the pecking order involved. It may be as simple as signing up. Many observatories and planetariums are school owned research facilities and non-commercial events are encouraged if they work into the schedule. -Miko From ???@??? Thu Oct 01 21:36:42 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id RAA09389; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 17:33:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 17:33:40 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <98Oct1.162254cdt.26893@gateway.gibson.com> From: Dino Cattaneo To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: Vision DSP free demo Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 16:22:52 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"iaezS.0.4w1.4B_4s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1850 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com For anyone interested in audio recordings on Macintosh, I just wanted to let you know that Opcode has a free Demo copy of the new Vision DSP on its website at www.opcode.com. There is no better way to check out new tools... From ???@??? Thu Oct 01 21:36:43 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id RAA10648; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 17:41:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 17:41:46 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <2.2.32.19981001212759.00b9f790@pop.chromatic.com> X-Sender: kflint@pop.chromatic.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 14:27:59 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Re[3]: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V98 #148 Resent-Message-ID: <"Cwjji.0.t_1.ND_4s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1851 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 02:00 PM 10/1/98 -0700, you wrote: >Miguel Barella wrote... >>Yes, I would really love to play in a Planetarium with all the stars projected >>and adding some fractal images to the "sky". > >Henry Kaiser does a yearly space jam up at Chabot Planetarium in the Oakland >hills of California... He invites a few others to accompany the visuals. It's >pretty cool. I have to say it sounds like a perfect context for loopers to me as >well... He also usually is a performer at a yearly event at the columbarium in the Oakland Cemetary. An assortment of experimental musicians set up in different rooms and play throughout the day. I haven't been, but it always sounded like a great thing, with a lot of very interesting musicians. Intriguing location, too. It's really a very beautiful cemetary, with fantastic views of San Francisco and the Bay. My girlfriend drags me over there for walks sometimes. kim ________________________________________________________ Kim Flint, MTS 408-752-9284 Chromatic Research kflint@chromatic.com http://www.chromatic.com From ???@??? Thu Oct 01 21:37:01 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id TAA29471; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 19:48:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 19:48:09 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: aden@pop.ne.mediaone.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <000194B9.4007@poyry.com.br> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 19:41:21 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Aden Evens Subject: Re[2]: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V98 #148 Resent-Message-ID: <"VDlbx1.0.mv6.KA15s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1856 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >Anyone else got ideas of unusual places to do it? That would have to be up the butt, Bob. ### ## ### Aden ### ## ### From ???@??? Thu Oct 01 21:36:57 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id SAA21584; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 18:47:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 18:47:57 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: dmgraph@mail.earthlink.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199810011634.MAA15411@user1.channel1.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 18:41:49 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: David Myers Subject: Re: Recordings Resent-Message-ID: <"3J4-Z1.0.1v4.2I05s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1854 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Recent favorites-all w/ much looping: POLE: "CD1" PLURAMON: "Render Bandits" and "Pickup Canyon" MONOLAKE: "Hongkong" VARIOUS ARTISTS (that's their handle): "Decay Product" MOUSE ON MARS: "Glam" LITHOPS: "Uni Umit" CARL STONE: emt 1196 AUTECHRE: lotsa releases From ???@??? Thu Oct 01 21:37:00 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id TAA26687; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 19:24:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 19:24:22 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19981001191633.007b09d0@mindspring.com> X-Sender: zanga@mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 19:16:33 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Rik Myers Subject: Re: Recordings In-Reply-To: References: <199810011634.MAA15411@user1.channel1.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"mIX6m.0.ZD6.Co05s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1855 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Recent listening: David Bowie "Outside" Omnibus Wind Ensmble "Music by Frank Zappa" U. Srinivas "Modern Mandolin Maestro" Orpheus Chamber Orchestra "A Set Of Pieces - Music By Charles Ives" King Crimson "The Night Watch" Gov't Mule "Live At The Roseland Ballroom" S.E. Rogie "Dead Men Don't Smoke Marijuana" Bill Evans Trio "Sunday At The Village Vanguard" Country Joe And The Fish "Live At The Fillmaore West 1969" Sonny Sharrock "Guitar" James Blood Ulmer "Odyssey" Richard Thompson "Watching The Dark" Hasta -> Dr Rico From ???@??? Thu Oct 01 21:37:12 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id XAA27287; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 23:42:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 23:42:01 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <36144D06.502E@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 20:48:22 -0700 From: Andre LaFosse Reply-To: altruist@earthlink.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-MACOS8 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Recordings Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"ZIIJC1.0.xQ6.Yc45s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1857 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Lately I've found that, after spending eight hours in a record store, I'm disinclined to go home and listen to more music. So let me see if anything from work has caught my ear... -- UNKLE is the new project by DJ Shadow and Mo'Wax label head James Lavelle, with lots of guest vocalists. Some really good stuff on here; Shadow's work is about the most "musical" DJ/sample-based stuff I've heard, by which I mean that it's amazing how unified and cohesive he's able to make music constructed entirely out of samples of other people's music. There's a surprisingly strong prog-rock vibe running through a lot of this record, too (the main title tune sounds like some long-lost Rush bit circa "Permanent Waves.") Shadow's beat programming is always worth checking out. -- Heard bits and pieces of the new DJ Spooky album and liked it. The jungle tune "Polyphony of One" blew my *#&@^ mind. -- Ozomatli is an LA-based latin/funk/hip-hop conglomeration that produces some pretty happening and unlikely hybrids of the above influences. One of the more engaging records I've heard in a while, and probably the only group I've heard at all that features a DJ and a tabla player trading fours in their live show. -- Skimmed through the new Soul Coughing, "El Oso," and liked it a lot. The much-hyped drum & bass influence doesn't add up to much more than a proliferation of very tightly-played eighth-note rock beats (not that that's a bad thing), but it's still a very inventive and surprisingly accessible (though mostly uncompromising) disc. -- Massive Attack's "Mezzanine" is practically nothing but a collection of loops. Some of the tunes strike me as being more style than substance (I can understand why Rolling Stone described it as the "Muzak of choice of 1998"), but there's some very strong (and very dark) stuff on here. Probably my favorite "trip-hop/downtempo" record that I've run across. Pretty much everything else that comes to mind is either too far removed from this list or too uninteresting to comment on (I've probably heard the new Chris Isaak more times than any of the above, but such is retail life...) From ???@??? Fri Oct 02 01:52:59 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id EAA18115; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 04:23:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 04:23:10 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <36149B1B.781E4BE7@vete.ucl.ac.be> Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 10:21:32 +0100 From: Malhomme Reply-To: malhomme@vete.ucl.ac.be X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [fr] (Macintosh; I; PPC) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: last listenings... References: <199810020705.DAA13401@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"M5x3f.0.xJ4.uk85s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1858 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I just discovered the BO of "crash", by howard Shore, mmm, dam... As well as the new michael brook/gasparian album (the later plays duduk and is armenian. It is on real world (I by the way thought they were defunct, obviously, they are not). this so bloody brilliant. ornette coleman's "tone dialing", fripp's "that which passes" (disturbing), two's "voyeur" (last group of rob halford, ex-judas priest). More later From ???@??? Fri Oct 02 10:56:11 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id GAA24747; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 06:50:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 06:50:07 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3614ACD2.3E7421A@bellsouth.net> Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 06:37:06 -0400 From: Jeff Duke X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Subject: re: recordings Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"dacSr.0.Bs5.CnA5s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1860 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I listen through headphones at work so I reached into my giant bag 'o tapes and came up with; Cannonball Adderly- these are on the same tape, great way to start the day Charely Parker Praxis - tyrinus mutandus(sp) Fripp - Blessing of Tears Bennie Goodman - various Tin Machine Roy Rodgers - Slidewinder Everyman Band Henry Kaiser - live at the Knitting Factory Butthole Surfers - the one with Kuntz on it, lotta looping on this one Space Grooves - Projekt Two Frank Zappa - The Greatest Band You Never Heard Stephen Goodman - S From ???@??? Fri Oct 02 10:56:09 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id GAA23673; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 06:26:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 06:26:55 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <001f01bdedf5$4d2b5da0$2f414382@hovard> From: "Thomas W¿hni" To: Subject: KHMER (Was: Recordings) Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 12:10:44 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"x4MfB3.0.Ce5.2SA5s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1859 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > Khmer > Nils Potter Molvaer. This was mentioned on the "powerspot" list. I like >this CD alot - Simply Wonderful hey gang , I love Khmer too. Nils Petter and his band are among the top of Norwegian musicians. I`ve taken a couple of lessons from the main guitarist on the album , Eivind Aarset , and he is amazing. On Khmer you get an idea of his wonderful use of the E-bow. He has an album out now called "Electronique Noir" and it`s very modern. Trip hop and D`n`B with lots of great guitarplaying. Eivind uses a Jamman because his Oberheim Echoplex didn`t work properly. Probably the same problems some of the people on this list has experienced. Anyway , if you can find it I highly recomend his album , "Electronique Noir". Yours , Thomas W From ???@??? Fri Oct 02 10:56:16 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id IAA29000; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 08:02:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 08:02:00 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 06:46:34 -0500 (CDT) Sender: crash@waste.org From: Todd Madson To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: DJ Shadow/Prog Influence Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"eK2n13.0.no6.VpB5s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1861 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I was glad to see Andre LaFosse notice the growing progressive influence on DJ Shadow. On his last release there was a very interesting piece called "High Noon" that sounds like some obscure, unreleased fusion jam with Mitch Mitchell on drums, Keith Emerson on B3 and some unknown others. What is very amazing to me is that his conglomeration of samples sounds so well integrated and organic that you are listening to some very fine, well rehearsed band. Amazing stuff. It has the same visceral response as listening to Jeff Beck playing "Where were you?" or Allan Holdsworth playing "Road Games".. that you are listening to a master and there's no way in hell I'd be able to take the samples from 5 different songs and make a tune out of it. Latest listening: Shawn Lane/Jonas Hellborg - Time Is The Enemy Buckethead - Colma Anders Johannsson - Red Shift Western Vacation Ozric Tentacles - Curious Corn Robert Fripp - Gates of Paradise Aliensporebomb - unreleased current project. -t From ???@??? Fri Oct 02 10:56:21 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id JAA03252; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 09:16:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 09:16:07 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Crossedout@aol.com Message-ID: <11b957d5.3614cf5d@aol.com> Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 09:04:29 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Recordings Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Resent-Message-ID: <"sWERA2.0.aU.0zC5s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1862 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com oh, what the hell, my $.02.... - NAMANAX - "Audiotronic" and "Monstrous" - if you can hang on through the noise content, you will find some interesting drifting loops and sub-bass rumblings, courtesy of Relapse records co-founder B. Yurkiewicz and guitar- guru/producer James Plotkin.... - LULL - "Moments" - of course, if you just want the sub-bass loops without the noise, here it is, courtesy of PAINKILLER/SCORN mastermind Mick Harris.... - Chris Farmer - "Getting Warm on the Trail of Heat*" - might be hard to find, but some really freaky lo-fi beat loopage and experimentation from this Richmond, VA. local takes some very interesting turns.... first three available from Relapse - po box 251 - Millersville, PA 17551. The last one might be hard to find - if anyone wants a dub of it, let me know and I'll see what I can do (and in fact, the liner notes had a line about the absence of copyright and to dub for anyone who wants one, so we don't have to go into the copyright roundabout again...) * - and if anyone knows where the title reference comes from, please fill my dumb ass in. - Bill Crossedout@aol.com From ???@??? Fri Oct 02 10:56:20 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id JAA03413; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 09:17:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 09:17:41 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Crossedout@aol.com Message-ID: <5f7dc64.3614d0ab@aol.com> Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 09:10:03 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Re[2]: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V98 #148 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Resent-Message-ID: <"4uMnJ2.0.Bd.u1D5s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1863 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 10/1/98 6:49:59 PM Central Daylight Time, aden@who.net writes: << >Anyone else got ideas of unusual places to do it? That would have to be up the butt, Bob. >> escewing the more obvious responses to this in favor of a drier wit, I'd have to say that in the ear or up the nose would be MUCH more unusual.... - Crossedout@aol.com From ???@??? Fri Oct 02 10:56:33 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id LAA19444; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 11:13:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 11:13:08 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: floyd@voicenet.com Date: 2 Oct 1998 15:05:52 -0000 Message-ID: <19981002150552.956.qmail@unix01.voicenet.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Digest Readers: Please Note Resent-Message-ID: <"ydaa31.0.EP4.1kE5s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1864 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com When replying to a post from a digest of the list, please edit the Subject of your message so that it reflects the topic you are rereplying about. Subjects such as "Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V98 #148" are utterly useless. Thank you. From ???@??? Mon Oct 05 10:29:08 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id LAA12747; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 11:56:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 11:56:08 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: DainL@AustinTX.net (Dain R. Luscombe) To: Subject: FS: digitech hell Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 10:46:35 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <19981005154537450.AAA176@sex.austintx.net> Resent-Message-ID: <"HFtfB2.0.nq1.5bE6s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1891 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com hey guys I figured I'd give you guys first dibs on some looping tech. Kinda low tech but for you cheapo loopers it should suffice quite well. Digitech 1002 two second delay pedal: this is is the basic light blue 2 sec unit with two pedals, one to turn the effect on the other to hold the loop infinitely. has a range from 2 sec to 125 msecs. Digitech 20/20 two sec delay pedal: this is a variation on above, it is red and has the same specs but with an LFO to control delay speed, you control width and speed. You can get everything from flange and doubling sounds to setting a loop and having it speed up and slow down like a record player. I'd like to sell the lot for 75$ plus shipping for both units or cool trades for broken analog stuff. They both work although they are both old beat up and the switch contacts are dirty. They are fine for home use when you have time to press the switches again and again till they turn on, but not for live use unless you want to switch them on and leave them looping (as we are want to do anyway). anyway, let me know if you have any offers. Thanks guys. dain From ???@??? Mon Oct 05 10:29:11 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id MAA16246; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 12:04:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 12:04:02 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: DainL@AustinTX.net (Dain R. Luscombe) To: Subject: more stuff to sell, sorry guys Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 10:54:28 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <19981005155327997.AAA102@sex.austintx.net> Resent-Message-ID: <"36eUc1.0.Vf2.QiE6s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1892 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I thought somebody might be interested in this as well... I just picked up a MOOG sequencer/midi interface (woa cool!) but, it only works with The Commodore 64 (what?) It also has 8 drum trigger outs and 4 midi outs. so it is really cool, plus its extremely mint in the box, with all the great moog literature (accessories catalog, warrenty card, list of dealers) I really don't think this thing was ever plugged in, as the software is still taped inside the official MOOG instruction manual. anyway, let me know if anybody wants this thing. Trades? BTW:you can get tons of commodore64 stuff on the net so if you don't have one they are like 20$ luv dain From ???@??? Fri Oct 02 10:56:46 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id NAA08384; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 13:16:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 13:16:34 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <2148EC143F29D1118BE000805FC13CD067EC46@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: moog website . . . neat new toys . . . ? Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 12:10:24 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Resent-Message-ID: <"1CBD03.0.Sn1.BZG5s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1865 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com in case y'all are interested: http://www.bigbriar.com/new.htm From ???@??? Fri Oct 02 11:12:44 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id NAA15283; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 13:56:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 13:56:59 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: mchriste@panther.middlebury.edu Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <000f01bded51$82fd1580$c5b854ce@mark.asisoftware.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 13:42:17 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: murkie Subject: Re: Recordings Resent-Message-ID: <"IHNyo2.0.V53.Y0H5s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1866 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >So, since there have been very few posts to LD, what recordings can everyone >recommend? Currently in heavy rotation 'round here: Chocolate Genius' "Black Music" (feat. Torn) Massive Attack's "Mezzanine" Porcupine Tree's "Signify" Genesis' "Archive 1967-75" (A complete live 'Lamb Lies Down'! whoo-hoo!) Marylin Manson's "Mechanical Animals" and just arrivied today: Fripp's "Gates of Paradise" Forever Sharp and Vivid Eric Johnson's "Seven Worlds" all this talk of recordings prompts me to ask this list: anybody know where i can get my grubby little hands on the two Everyman Band albums? searching on the net has brought me nothing. anybody got an extra for sale/trade? later, murkie M a r k C h r i s t e n s e n Cramped Quarters Studio / Jasperpottamus Music i n t e r n e t : murkie@middlebury.edu http://www.middlebury.edu/~mchriste/murkie.html From ???@??? Fri Oct 02 23:51:34 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id OAA21635; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 14:32:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 14:32:44 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <36152756.AA70861B@magelang.com> Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 12:19:50 -0700 From: Jim Coker Reply-To: jcoker@magelang.com Organization: Magelang Institute X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" , "motu-mac@cloudfactory.org" , news@macintouch.com Subject: faster hardware for Kyma Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"SGuoj1.0.MS4.1WH5s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1867 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com For those of you that are interested, Symbolic Sound showed some really fast hardware for Kyma at AES, details are at: http://www.SymbolicSound.com/press-AES98.html The short of it is: new price: $3300 base system: 4 Motorola 56309 chips at 80Mhz. (3 chips for DSP, one for housekeeping, each 56309 is 2.5X faster than a 66Mhz 56002) 96MB sample ram (24MB per DSP, that's about 3 minutes loop time at 44.1Khz) 4 channels analog/digital i/o standard 4 more channels optional. A/D, D/A converters 24-bit at up to 96Khz Loads of sync input (SMPTE, LTC, Word Clock, etc.) New expansion cards have 2 chips/48MB each Up to 12 cards can be added ($595 each). I'm pretty sure the 563XX series is what Digidesign is using in their new ProTools Mix DSP Farms. Jim From ???@??? Fri Oct 02 23:51:42 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id QAA12963; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 16:37:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 16:37:07 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Reply-To: From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: Subject: RE: Recordings Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 13:18:59 -0700 Message-ID: <000701bdee41$e4fb47c0$c332dacf@stepheng> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 In-Reply-To: <199810011556_MC2-5B44-A94B@compuserve.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Resent-Message-ID: <"Lk-ZK3.0.A82.1KJ5s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1868 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Ah, I too must admit that I've not been to the store in some time... So what's been playing on or through my stereo in the past week, besides my stuff? Neil Young - American Stars 'n Bars, On The Beach, Zuma Iggy Pop - The Idiot (an excellent one IMHO) Harmonia '76 - Tracks & Traces (Eno with Cluster) and, to bring in Halloween season appropriately... Pink Floyd - Ummagumma (primarily "Careful With That Axe, Eugene") Stephen GoodmanÊ -Ê It's... The Loop Of The Week! EarthLight StudiosÊ -Ê http://www.earthlight.net/Studios From ???@??? Fri Oct 02 23:51:45 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id RAA25471; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 17:12:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 17:12:54 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: PJBMHB@aol.com Message-ID: <1b109416.36153d56@aol.com> Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 16:53:42 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Recordings Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 41 Resent-Message-ID: <"oNpka2.0.O64.pqJ5s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1869 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com bill frisell - gone just like a train...a little whacky looping here and there spanish fly - insert tongue here....david tronzo on slide gtr., tuba, trumpet, drums....extremely whacky and fun music. reminds me of henry threadgill at times. eno - apollo...still and kind of creepy at times. great guitar textures by daniel lanois, who strikes me at times as a rootsy frisell. mike watt - contemplating the engine room - great cd. totally engaging. great bass playing from watt and gtr from nels cline who throws in the odd loop now and again. geraldine fibbers - butch...wow, hell hath no fury like a smart angry female singer. again nels cline plays everything perfectly and sneaks in the clandestine noise loop here and there. any nels fans out there let me know. i would love to own more of his stuff. =-) PJ From ???@??? Thu Oct 01 21:36:55 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id SAA21332; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 18:46:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 18:46:21 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199810012228.SAA13019@shell.monmouth.com> Reply-To: From: "andre" To: Cc: "loopers" Subject: Re: Recordings Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 18:28:59 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"nn0hx1.0.qR4.J705s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1852 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com hmm... my listening recently has included: XTC - a bunch stuff, oranges, express, rag&bone PJ Harvey - new CD "is this desire" - great disc, cloudy, murky (murkie?) - and some cool loops Zappa - Mystery Disc - the new collection of 60s weirdness, orchestral music & oddities Lotsa Zappa in general these days, learning/soaking up for some shows...(sneaky plug!!) Gongzilla - Thrive - Lotsa cool looping, i think Torn is on this one.... excellent!! Elliott Sharp -Tectonics - his new one, cool drum & bass grooves with his crazy gtr Mike Keneally's brilliant new "sluggo" (get it. get it. GET IT!!!) throw in some Bartok, King's X, Marilyn Monroe (sic), Jeff Buckley's new one... peace, andre' Plug section: official PROJECT/OBJECT site http://www.jswd.net/projectobject [frank zappa tribute band i play guitar in - hey - we have 6 dates in OCTOBER..check em out!!] ---------- > From: Bobdog Catlin > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Subject: Re: Recordings > Date: Thursday, October 01, 1998 1:59 PM > > well mark - here's what i've been listening to; some loopy, some not: > > i've been spending time with Seven Veils by robert rich (d. torn on 2 > tracks). > very dreamy, very dark. > > the latest madeski-martin-wood, Combustication, is nice. i don't know if > i like the turntable stuff, though; hiphop music culture isn't my bag, i > think it's a little too trendy. > (i guess i'll get a bunch of mail about that comment being close-minded > or whatever. sorry. not saying it's bad, just saying it's not for me.) > > i've been listening to some older stuff too: > > Dream by u. srinivas, michael brook, et al, almost never leaves my cd > tray. golly. > > the 1st steve tibbets on cuneiform is fun. i just got it & never knew > that he was such a rock-god style player. hendrix, mclaughlin, & page > influences all over his sleeve. > > Homage To Our Guru by aashish khan & indranil bhattacharya is some > amazing raga duet. sarod vs. sitar reminiscent of ravi & ali akbar in > the 50's & 60's. > > that's my 2 cents! > > bobdog > From ???@??? Thu Oct 01 21:36:54 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id SAA21333; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 18:46:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 18:46:21 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199810012235.SAA15576@shell.monmouth.com> Reply-To: From: "andre" To: Subject: Re: Recordings Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 18:36:30 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"78DC73.0.Ml4.HE05s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1853 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > From: Dave Trenkel > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Subject: Re: Recordings > Henry Kaiser/Waddada Leo Smith: Yo, Miles - No looping here, just a very > solid collection of '70's electric Miles Davis tunes, particularly from the > more guitar-driven Jack Johnson through Pangea period. Kaiser and Nels > Cline on guitar, Smith on trumpet, the ROVA sax quartet, Michael Manring on > bass, and many others. Including Medeski!! i forgot to vote for this one!! i've been spinning this a lot - great great cd - and Henry - as always has crammed 78 friggin minutes onto EACH DISC !!!! Another one i've been enjoying this week is LD member Frank Gerace & Cheryl's CD - great anachronistic stuff!! - this is what we'd get if someone arrived in 1565 with a roland vs880 and a vg8, and a earful of crimson,bach and hendrix!! Cool patches, Frank. very orchestral, well composed stuff with midieval (midi-evil??) vocals, sometimes rem of diamanda galas or dead can dance. peace andre' From ???@??? Fri Oct 02 23:51:55 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id TAA14971; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 19:26:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 19:26:59 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <36155FEB.21D30FBA@musician.org> Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 16:21:26 -0700 From: eric potter Reply-To: eric@musician.org Organization: Hog Wild Music and Sound FX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Subject: PDS 8000 vs. RDS 8000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"9BIuH2.0.EH3.3yL5s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1871 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi everybody, Trying to decide between these two units, and I've never seen either one in person: PDS-8000 $150 RDS-8000 $125 The prices aren't that relevant, I'm wondering what all the features of the Rack DS I might miss with the PedalDS. I like the convenience and portability of pedals. Also , how does sample quality compare between the two? I'm actually interested in a lo-fi looping tool to feed scraps to my Boomerang and JamMan. What happens on each when you record a 2 sec. piece and crank it down to 8 sec, rate? Similar quality, or does is the PDS' architecture more limiting in it's bandwidth. Any other comments appreciated. eric p From ???@??? Sat Oct 03 15:41:30 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id FAA08877; Sat, 3 Oct 1998 05:24:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1998 05:24:31 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Sender: r_t_cummings@csi.com Message-ID: <36156F90.6807707B@csi.com> Date: Sat, 03 Oct 1998 01:28:00 +0100 From: Cummings X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [de] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Recordings References: <000f01bded51$82fd1580$c5b854ce@mark.asisoftware.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"EvdPm1.0.ax1.RXU5s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1877 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com You don't get enough mail, eh? Mark Kata wrote: > I guess that our recent debate about the legalities of sampling took the > wind out of the list. You guys will probably be deleting these with hair-trigger response times by the time mine arrives, but what the hay, I've got time to spend and an esthetic-sense ego to feed: *Out Of Worship (Sub Rosa): gtr (and other stuff) player from Codeine meets a drummer/ percussionist with an fx rig (just my style) - great melding of styles - loops, drones, slides, Mutron, distorted bass drums ... *Pluramon - Render Bandits (Mille Plateaux): simply great crunchy sounding music - Krautrock/ hard disk session with structural depth *Im Memoriam - Gilles Deleuze tribute (Mille Plateaux): a year or so old, feat. Mouse on Mars, Trans Am, Alec Empire, Chris & Cosey, Oval, Scanner, Mike Ink, Christian Vogel etc. *Ikue Mori - Hex Kitchen (Tzadik): not brilliant, but interesting drum-machine-based samplage *UI - Lifelike (Southern): subtle but effective post(age)-rock, feat. two basses, electronics and a drummer with lots of other bits mixed in *Sub Rosa Underwood Sampler - feat. Scanner, Farmers Manual (great drum machine deconstruction!), Timothy Leary w. dj cheb i sabbah, David Shea, dj wally (cool) - this CD is CHEAP, so look for it *Dave Douglas - Sanctuary (Avant)- it taes a while to "get" this, but there is a lot behind it, similar in scope to "Bitches Brew" Rob(ber)to Batteria From ???@??? Fri Oct 02 23:52:00 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id XAA11801; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 23:27:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 23:27:57 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: klaw@pop.iglou.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <19981003020807067.AAA244@sex.austintx.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: PDS vs.RDS Digitech HEll and more listening lists Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 23:20:56 -0400 Resent-Message-ID: <"5pTca1.0.9e2.8VP5s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1873 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I did the same thing as your friend with the foot thing & PDS 8000 -It sounded so cool to start a break-At one point I had 2 of these & one 2020 -My pedalboard was like a seesaw board and about as heavy.Cant find them anywhere anymore -I sold mine when the Jam MAn came out. >Dif Juz - Out of the Trees (does anybody like these guys?) -I played in a dub expierment a few years ago with the bassist from Dif Juz& the drummer from Rodan.That was pretty wacky.Dif juz were pretty cool i thought -kinda hard to tag.JUst ordered a used Fernandes sustainer -any body here using one of these -comments? to me directly klaw@iglou.com. Hey since were posting useless info Alan Lamb -Night Passage*-Arnold Dreyblatt&Ochesrta of Excited Strings _Animal Magnetism*-some cd of Sudanese Java court music-*James Potter 7 Drones* You know Faust*Albert Ayler live in Paris & Lorach*Charles Ives -Symphony No 4 * This Heat -Made Available* KL From ???@??? Fri Oct 02 23:52:02 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id AAA17202; Sat, 3 Oct 1998 00:05:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1998 00:05:35 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3615A1B3.6F2B@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 21:01:56 -0700 From: scott kungha drengsen X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-MACOS8 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Recordings References: <1b109416.36153d56@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"5voL4.0.8i3.sxP5s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1874 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Michael Manring-Unusual Weather Andy Reinhart-Jason's Chord-great playing from David Torn and Mick Karn,unusual,profound,playful,intelligent songwriting. Jan Gabarek-Visible World Devachen;afro-asian flavored etherial pop from seattle John Pattitucci-One More Angel Annette Peacock-Nothing Ever Was Anyway Miles Davis-Panthlassa(Bill Laswell remix) Stellamara-Star of the Sea;middle eastern flavored,etherial pop Steurt Liebig-Pienso Oculto; Loopers Delights own! From ???@??? Fri Oct 02 23:52:04 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id AAA19328; Sat, 3 Oct 1998 00:25:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1998 00:25:08 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: mchriste@panther.middlebury.edu Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <19981003020807067.AAA244@sex.austintx.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1998 00:15:10 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: murkie Subject: Re: PDS vs.RDS Digitech HEll and more listening lists Resent-Message-ID: <"Wylt61.0.AS4.iHQ5s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1875 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > Dif Juz - Out of the Trees (does anybody like these guys?) i LOVE Dif Juz! I never knew there was an album other than their first one. When was Out of the Trees released?!? Label? m M a r k C h r i s t e n s e n Cramped Quarters Studio / Jasperpottamus Music i n t e r n e t : murkie@middlebury.edu http://www.middlebury.edu/~mchriste/murkie.html From ???@??? Fri Oct 02 23:52:06 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id CAA32017; Sat, 3 Oct 1998 02:26:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1998 02:26:34 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19981002231632.013cde10@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: sean_@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 23:16:32 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: Re: Recordings In-Reply-To: <3615A1B3.6F2B@earthlink.net> References: <1b109416.36153d56@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"qiLAp3.0.PO7.B4S5s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1876 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Today's rotation: My Bloody Valentine - Loveless Plasmatics - Coup d'etat WrekNet RealAudio - http://cyberbuzz.gatech.edu/wrek/wrek.html From ???@??? Sat Oct 03 19:08:09 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id TAA30380; Sat, 3 Oct 1998 19:30:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1998 19:30:10 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3616B29F.F85D56F9@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 03 Oct 1998 16:26:31 -0700 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Recordings References: <000f01bded51$82fd1580$c5b854ce@mark.asisoftware.com> <36156F90.6807707B@csi.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"7u_Tx.0.xC7.y1h5s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1878 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Cummings wrote: > You guys will probably be deleting these with hair-trigger response > times by the time mine arrives... likewise, but this week's flavors, anyway: Steve Reich : Music for 18 Musicians Mitchell Froom : Dopamine Buffalo Daughter : Rock Music Megasoft Office 97 (F Com. Compilation) Tom Verlaine : Warm and Cool Pell Mell : Star City Massive Attack : Mezzanine Wire : Coatings Lisa Germano : Happiness Bill Laswell / Miles : Panthalassa Thelonius Monk : Prestige Dates Beth Orton : Trailer Park Michael Brook : Albino Alligator (soundtrack) Nels Cline : Angelica Lou Harrison : The Perilous Chapel Tarnation : Mirador Morton Feldman : Routine Investigations, The Viola In My Life, etc. cheerio, Lance G. From ???@??? Sun Oct 04 13:30:43 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id WAA09854; Sat, 3 Oct 1998 22:22:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1998 22:22:33 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <002201bdef3d$64ac5120$3c4a8581@jkudler.stu.wesleyan.edu> From: "Jesse Kudler" To: Subject: Re: Recordings Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1998 22:19:19 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Resent-Message-ID: <"dU43v1.0.UE2.Fcj5s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1879 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >Nels Cline : Angelica What's this? I've been meaning to get his trio CD's after hearing some of his stuff here and there, but I'm unfamiliar with this title. Is it solo stuff? Care to give a description? -Jesse From ???@??? Sun Oct 04 13:30:58 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id FAA05537; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 05:18:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 05:18:27 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19981004090338.23567.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [164.67.23.57] From: "Joseph Buck" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Torn and crew on.... Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sun, 04 Oct 1998 02:03:37 PDT Resent-Message-ID: <"gJPuD3.0.591.tcp5s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1881 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hola Groovers- So I am up late, 1 am , procrastinating on a poem and painting I have to get out, so I flip on the TV and lo and behold I see a concert/doc on Jimi Hendrix on Ovation. Running thru the empty spaces of my brain I realize that this is the gig that Torn, Mick Karn, Polytown, and some other interesting folk like Cassandra Wilson and Trilok Gurtu were at... Moments were really surprising, although the performances were edited. Really nice "Little Wing" with Cassandra singing, Torn on guitar and Karn on bass. Check to see if your cable or satellite company caries Ovation because they are running it again at: Monday, October 05, 1998 - 4:00:00 PM Thursday, October 08, 1998 - 5:00:00 PM Oh and its called: Voodoo Chile: The Music of Jimi Hendrix. Ovation has a website at: http://www.ovationtv.com selam, Buck ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From ???@??? Sun Oct 04 13:31:01 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id FAA05894; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 05:26:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 05:26:08 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: KRosser414@aol.com Message-ID: <1f1a70ac.36173ce2@aol.com> Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 05:16:18 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Recordings Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 18 Resent-Message-ID: <"YC3II3.0.nK1.7pp5s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1882 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In my own heavy rotation lately: Kronos Quartet w/Wu Man - Tan Dun's "Ghost Opera" Wu Man & Martin Simpson - Motherless Child Wu Man - Chinese Music For The Pipa Led Zeppelin - BBC Recordings Bonnie Raitt - Fundamental Joni Mitchell - Taming The Tiger Forever Sharp & Vivid Woody Shaw - Cassandrite Ken R From ???@??? Sun Oct 04 14:18:15 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id QAA26463; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 16:50:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 16:50:22 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Reply-To: From: "Javier Miranda V." To: Subject: RE: Recordings Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 13:43:36 -0700 Message-ID: <000001bdefd7$a8bb5ba0$aec3efd1@electra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <1f1a70ac.36173ce2@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: <"UNkjL1.0.CA6.5rz5s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1883 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I am a little ashamed to say that I haven' t bought anything new for a couple of years. Whatever I bought then didn't change my enthusiasm to continue listening to the greats. Although, I also confess to have been lazy to go the store and purchase the many many great records you all have suggested on this list. I am thirsting greatly for calm, meditative music in the vein of Eno, Tangerine Dream and others, where I can play them repeatedly without actually being aware of them. I'm sorry, but old Eno records are very obvious to me now. Anyway, here is my list of perennials -- I cannot get tired of listening to these records: * Genesis: Nursery Cryme, Foxtrot, Selling England by the Pound, The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway, A Trick of the Tail, Wind & Wuthering, others * Yes: Fragile, Close to the Edge, Tales of Topographic Oceans, Relayer, some of Going for the One and others. * Emerson Lake + Palmer: Tarkus, Brain Salad Surgery, some of Trilogy * Premiata Forneria Marconi: Per un amico, Photos of Ghosts, others * Mike Oldfield: Tubular Bells 2 * Anthony Phillips: most Private Parts & Pieces, both CD and vinyl * King Crimson: Epitaph * Some compilation CDs my girlfriend has of Handel, others of Bach, Debussy, Satie, etc., can't get tired of those And keep recycling these: * Fred Frith: Gravity * Henry Cow: Legend * Michael Hedges: Taproot * Joan Manuel Serrat (from Spain): '74, '73, '75, most of his records * Allan Holdsworth: Most of his records * Steve Hackett: Watcher of the Skies, most of his records * Charley Garc’a (from Argentina): Oro, and most of his records * The Beatles: All their records (and most bootlegs) * Elton John: Greatest Hits ('74) * Uriah Heep: Firefly From ???@??? Sun Oct 04 18:26:25 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id UAA16671; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 20:33:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 20:33:44 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: comdotatdotcom@csi.com Sender: comdotatdotcom@csi.com Message-ID: <361810AA.9549F509@csi.com> Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1998 01:19:54 +0100 Reply-To: comdotatdotcom@csi.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: PDS vs.RDS Digitech HEll and more listening lists References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"zEsQ-3.0.Kj3.P316s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1884 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com wrote: > > > Dif Juz - Out of the Trees (does anybody like these guys?) > > i LOVE Dif Juz! Me too!, thought I was the only one also :-) I've seen them live a couple of times back in 1984. Strange bunch, they'd say absolutely nothing apart from "We're Dif Juz, thankyou good night" throughout the entire set.. just do a number, fiddle with FX setup for the next one, play it, and so on.... odd :-) Damned fine though. Cheers, Robin. From ???@??? Sun Oct 04 18:26:26 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id UAA17066; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 20:37:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 20:37:05 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: AURALG@aol.com Message-ID: <13fb1e9e.36181269@aol.com> Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 20:27:21 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, kflint@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Last ditch effort Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 61 Resent-Message-ID: <"AR_1c.0.Iu3.8916s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1885 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi Kim Thanks for your response the other day about my faulty EDP Called mike ayers and he had me send it to an authorized repair place, Triple S in NJ. The unit came back with the same problem. Those guys were completely useless. They say they resoldered the Ac connection, but that seems to be suspect I took it to Vince Gutman in Woodstock and asked him to go through it (not a warranty guy) but one of the best in the world. He builds stuff for God. This is starting to cost a bundle, but I need the unit He found all the AC related items to check out fine. He ran diagnostics on the RAM and it too was fine. He feels that it's a CPU/Clock related problem and is confident he can fix it, but needs to have schematics. Is that something you might have that could be faxed to him ? My tour starts on Tuesday, and Vince can repair the unit if he has the schematics on Monday AM. I figured you might have them or know someone who did. Torn tells me you're the man. If it's at all possible could you fax them to Vince Gutman at 914-679-4232 or to me at 914 679-4760. I'm sorry for the imposition. I hope you'll be able to help. I can get the unit to power up after about an hour of trying and it's completely random, therefore quite unreliable. Starting to panic, Kevin Bartlett If you need to call I'm at 914-679-4728 P.S.Thanks for any and all attention you can give this. From ???@??? Sun Oct 04 18:26:21 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: from imo17.mx.aol.com (imo17.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.7]) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) with ESMTP id UAA15876; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 20:26:45 -0400 From: AURALG@aol.com Received: from AURALG@aol.com by imo17.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id CGMJa10158; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 20:27:21 +2000 (EDT) Message-ID: <13fb1e9e.36181269@aol.com> Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 20:27:21 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, kflint@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Last ditch effort Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 61 Hi Kim Thanks for your response the other day about my faulty EDP Called mike ayers and he had me send it to an authorized repair place, Triple S in NJ. The unit came back with the same problem. Those guys were completely useless. They say they resoldered the Ac connection, but that seems to be suspect I took it to Vince Gutman in Woodstock and asked him to go through it (not a warranty guy) but one of the best in the world. He builds stuff for God. This is starting to cost a bundle, but I need the unit He found all the AC related items to check out fine. He ran diagnostics on the RAM and it too was fine. He feels that it's a CPU/Clock related problem and is confident he can fix it, but needs to have schematics. Is that something you might have that could be faxed to him ? My tour starts on Tuesday, and Vince can repair the unit if he has the schematics on Monday AM. I figured you might have them or know someone who did. Torn tells me you're the man. If it's at all possible could you fax them to Vince Gutman at 914-679-4232 or to me at 914 679-4760. I'm sorry for the imposition. I hope you'll be able to help. I can get the unit to power up after about an hour of trying and it's completely random, therefore quite unreliable. Starting to panic, Kevin Bartlett If you need to call I'm at 914-679-4728 P.S.Thanks for any and all attention you can give this. From ???@??? Mon Oct 05 01:50:13 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id AAA23804; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 00:36:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 00:36:26 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: matthias@pop3.bahianet.com.br (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199810011556_MC2-5B44-A94B@compuserve.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 01:44:18 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Recordings Resent-Message-ID: <"vAO_O2.0.Uc5.Lh46s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1886 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >Not very 'up to date', but anyway: after some time of moving around a lot I >recently set up my old record player again and had a lot of fun revisiting >early 70's British art rock (Colosseum, Gentle Giant, King Crimson) as well >as some nice jazz stuff from that period (Circle: Braxton, Holland, Corea & >Altshul; Vienna Art Orchestra). have a look at Lazer's Edge, they released a lot of old and new CDs of this kind, including an incredible swiss band of '75: ISLAND >There is a lesser know outing in quartett format by pianist Bob Degen with >Terumasa Hino on tpt where they are dramatically deconstructing an >odd-meter ostinato into cacophony over a 13 minute period and still make it >back to the head ('Children of the Night', ENJA ca. '78) that I always >liked a lot.....hey, wouldn't it be great to have a looper that can (on >command) apply some kind of variation to the material it is cycling - >possibly reacting to what the soloist is doing? > >Can any of these computer based systems do things like that? Sounds interesting. There are MIDI apps to analyze some sound and form some parameters that may influence an effect unit or sampler, but it should happen simpler. What is the reaction you imagine? From ???@??? Mon Oct 05 01:50:15 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id AAA23967; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 00:37:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 00:37:25 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: matthias@pop3.bahianet.com.br (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <00130E6F.CE21407@wj.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 01:44:29 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re[3]: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V98 #148 Resent-Message-ID: <"XixSE.0.oc5.Xh46s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1887 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >Miguel Barella wrote... >>Yes, I would really love to play in a Planetarium with all the stars >>projected >>and adding some fractal images to the "sky". > >Henry Kaiser does a yearly space jam up at Chabot Planetarium in the Oakland >hills of California... He invites a few others to accompany the visuals. It's >pretty cool. I have to say it sounds like a perfect context for loopers to >me as >well... > >It's worth asking the director or manager of a site if they have any regular >events and the pecking order involved. It may be as simple as signing up. >Many >observatories and planetariums are school owned research facilities and >non-commercial events are encouraged if they work into the schedule. I played in the planetarium of Rio de Janeiro in '87. Gregory Brown improvized together with Vania Dantas (kb), me (guit), and a 2290. He used projectors with liquids and prisms and defocussed pictures and it came really wild and strong. But as far as I know, they do not allow concerts in there any more. From ???@??? Mon Oct 05 01:50:24 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id DAA06230; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 03:29:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 03:29:10 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 03:21:48 -0400 From: Andreas Willers Subject: Re: Recordings Sender: Andreas Willers To: "INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Message-ID: <199810050322_MC2-5B99-3B15@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"M2jPu3.0.yN1.gD76s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1888 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com What does a good player do with an ostinato in an improv situation: - leaving out some notes while holding others - variing a part here and there, maybe creating harmonic tension briefly - coming back real strong rhythmically, maybe stressing a smaller rhythmic value (moving from eight notes to sixteenths) or even creating double time/feel - repeating a small 16th note phrase for two or more bars - going back to the original note for note but real articulate - throw in a famous riff quote (ha ha) - fading out w. held notes as above, repeat only one or two characteristic notes in time or do a ritardando - etc. But all that isn't (yet) work for machines and probably shouldn't be, exept maybe absurd changes in tempo or pitch that a musician could not execute. BTW, I just ordered an EDP directly from Bananas at Large in the US(they had it in stock!). Hope it arrives soon & in working condition, solo gigs are coming up in Nov. best, Andreas From ???@??? Mon Oct 05 10:29:03 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id HAA25574; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 07:54:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 07:54:17 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <01BDF05E.766403A0@Andrew.bocs.com> From: Andrew Taylor To: "'loopers-delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: recordings Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 12:48:22 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"thULi3.0.rr5.x6B6s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1889 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com in my tray these days : coldcut & dj food fight + dj krush - cold crush cuts remixes of ninja tunes back and front cataloge by coldcut and dj food and krush. 2 cds - lots of interesting stuff on here. for those of you who like beats, dj spooky et al I think you'll find this of interest. Lots of great mixing, effects, stops,starts and general all round uncohesive mayhem to puzzle over. the coldcut cd is particularly good ( #18 has a Mahavishnu violin sample even ) penderecki - matrix 5 yeah ! scary scary. the scariest music ever written - penderecki's 'threnody for the victims of hiroshima' Remember little Danny pedalling around the Overlook Hotel in Kubrick's Shining ? Why was it so scary ? Cause 'Threnody' was playing somewhere. Never mind the old hag in the shower. That was nothing. But 'threnody' ? Run Danny ! Run ! Le Mystere Des Voix Bulgares. The Sofia State Radio Womens Orchestra. No electricity supply available while the Turks kicked the bejesus out of the Bulgars for centuries. Hard Times = Great Melodies for some bizzare reason. charlie hunter and pound for pound - return of the canyman. great for fruging 'round the kitchen whilst you prepare the vegetables. Drum solas. Vibes. Cover version of 'Fly Like an Eagle' ! squarepusher - hard normal daddy not sure about this one - the music sounds a bit too close to something Stanley Clarke might've written when he was tired ( no disrespect to Stan - 'I wanna play for you' has to be one of the funniest tunes ever - especially at 3am in a roomful of drunks ) The beats are fast, modern, and with it of course, but,.. thanks for all the other lists - some good suggestions. I like the ones where I haven't heard of any of the artists. Makes me feel really boring, sitting here re-reading the liner notes to 'Bat out of Hell' From ???@??? Mon Oct 05 10:28:51 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id IAA27610; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 08:11:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 08:11:25 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Texture444@aol.com Message-ID: <1785fc6.3618b389@aol.com> Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 07:54:49 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Recordings Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 161 Resent-Message-ID: <"wcJcN3.0.yL6.CFB6s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1890 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com some local listening, of late: outi: volume 7 we: as is choying drolma & steve tibbetts: cho goldie: ya know, the newest release chocolate genius: black music emmylou harris: spyboy la vielle en france: les maitres de la vielle a roue paul bley and scorpio tipsy: trip tease loose wires: godard, tadic, nauseef ry cooder: the end of violence disposable heroes: hypocrisy is the greatest luxury anthony braxton: music for four orchestras chris whitley: dirt floor cante flamenco messiah presents: progenitor vicente amigo headhunters: survival of the fittest samuel barber: summer music for woodwind quintet (books on tape: 1) the gifts of the jews, cahill, 2) introduction to dzogchen, lama tharchin rinpoche, 3) bringing the mind home, sogyal rinpoche) dt From ???@??? Mon Oct 05 23:37:16 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id PAA18606; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 15:45:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 15:45:34 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3618DA9C.70481966@nyfac.com> Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1998 15:41:33 +0100 From: "Trevor D. Bajus, purveyor of the new rock" Reply-To: nyfac2@nyfac.com Organization: Second Foundation X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: PDS vs.RDS Digitech HEll and more listening lists References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"rOl2f1.0.wN3.UzH6s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1898 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com murkie wrote: > > Dif Juz - Out of the Trees (does anybody like these guys?) > > i LOVE Dif Juz! I never knew there was an album other than their first > one. When was Out of the Trees released?!? Label? I haven't heard that name in a long time... What releases do they have? I had a roomate who was way into the whole 4ad scene back in the day, but my memory is slipping.... \tdb1 -- Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity. From ???@??? Mon Oct 05 10:54:07 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id NAA26455; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 13:39:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 13:39:42 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: From: David Kirkdorffer To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: re:re:re:re:Recordings Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 13:23:19 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"r8prj1.0.7w4.Z3G6s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1893 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fave CD's of the moment.... 1. New WILLIE NELSON - Totaro -- Oh my, this is a GOOD record. And this is a comment from a man who owns no country records. 2. New MOUSE ON MARS - ?? - Typography hits a creative high and an informational low. This is a stunning recording, grooves composed of elements that hang together without repetitions. luvely! 3. ROY HARPER -- BBC TAPES -- Possibly Roy is the English Willie Nelson; I wonder if they'd ever do a duet? 4. FROM WITHIN -- one of those on the FAX label from Frankfurt -- what a wonderful wonderful label this is... David Kirkdorffer From ???@??? Mon Oct 05 23:36:53 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id OAA12822; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 14:19:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 14:19:55 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19981005180534.8743.rocketmail@attach1.rocketmail.com> Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 11:05:34 -0700 (PDT) From: "Rev. Doubt-Goat" Subject: Re: Recordings To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"HhlGV.0.Nz1.tiG6s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1894 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com 93 ---Texture444@aol.com wrote: > > some local listening, of late: (snip large impressive list) Ya know, I'll often read interviews with working musicians and composers who will state that they don't listen to much music at all, since they are so busy with their own work. It's refreshing to see someone who's obviously quite the busy professional listening to such a wide variety. Hell, I'm not listening to that much new stuff, and I'm not nearly as busy as dt :-) My list for 10-5-98: Gillian Welch - Revival Gillian Welch - Hell Among the Yearlings John Scofield - A Go Go Bill Frisell - Gone Just Like a Train Bill Frisell - Nashville Bill Frisell and Fred Hersch - Songs We Know Tarik & Julia Banzi Al-Andalus - Illumination Martin Medeski and Wood - combustication The Ascension Conspiracy - Mother's Blood Henry Kaiser - Re-Marrying for Money Steely Dan - Countdown to Ecstasy Dan Faehnle - My Ideal Speedy West & Jimmy Bryant - Stratosphere Boogie Things I want: Vivid, Jon Durant, Joni Mitchell's latest, Jim Hall's latest, etc. etc. etc. 93 Rev. Doubt-Goat === The Homepages of the Doubt-Goat The Darsan Trio Sekhet Maat Oasis, O.T.O. Lion & Serpent http://www.easystreet.com/~twilliam _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From ???@??? Mon Oct 05 23:36:54 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id OAA16494; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 14:27:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 14:27:50 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 14:15:26 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Recordings Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 170 Resent-Message-ID: <"dHaMZ1.0.ff2.7pG6s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1895 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com im saving my pennys to buy some more black boxes in order to augment my inability to play guitar so i can not afford new recordings....... the last recordings i have listened to: 1. jeff collins "red" 2.JFK/LSD/UFO 3.jefferson airplane "after bathing at baxters" 4.the mothers "we are only in it for the money" (so this is where most of my ideas came from?) 5.incredable string band "i looked up" 6.tim buckley "blue afternoon" 7.all and anything you folks post on real audio seems the only time i listen to music is when im in my truck, when im at home im too busy making my own noise. i figure if i have time to listen, i have time to play, otherwise im either sleeping or working. yipes, what a life! but i must admit, it is scary how much music both old and new is out there that i have never heard of,all the while thinking that i am quasi-hip to whats happening in the music world. this listing of recordings has been a real eye opener.....thanks .......michael From ???@??? Mon Oct 05 23:37:07 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id PAA00988; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 15:05:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 15:05:23 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 11:53:30 -0700 Message-ID: <00132F83.CE21407@wj.com> From: Mike.Biffle@wj.com (Mike Biffle) Subject: Re[2]: Recordings To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, "Rev. Doubt-Goat" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Resent-Message-ID: <"RS4CR1.0.l57.YOH6s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1896 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com My list for 10-5-98: Nels Cline, "Sad" and "Ground" Butthole Surfers, "pioughd" Steve Tibbetts "The Fall Of Us All" Terje Rypdal/David Darling "EOS" Leonard Cohen "The Future" Quartetto Stig "Pienso Oculto" Martin Carthy "Sweet Wivelsfield" Nick Drake "Pink Moon" Czuckay/Walker "Clash" a thousand other names... (nels, ge stinson, kaoru, brad dutz) David Bowie, "Earthling" Greatly looking forward to... Kaiser, Muir and gang... "Yo Miles!" -miko From ???@??? Mon Oct 05 23:37:12 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id PAA15322; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 15:38:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 15:38:05 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <008001bdf096$faef7680$a93863c3@martinj> From: "Harry P" To: "loopers delight" Subject: Fw: re:recordings Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 20:32:34 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_007C_01BDF09F.48B48BA0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"Pkko72.0.Pd2.tsH6s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1897 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com
 
-Original Message-----
From: Harry P <harryp@lineone.net>
To: Loopers delight@annihilist.com <Loopers delight@annihilist.com>
Date: Monday, October 05, 1998 8:30 PM
Subject: re:recordings

a bit late in the day but....what the care???
 
Talvin Singh,Jon Spencer Blues Explosion,Silent Phase,Sonic Youth,Add N to X,Plug,Robert Hood,Stereolab.....ahhh.....getz me goin'!!!!
 
                                       Harry P
                                                xxx
From ???@??? Mon Oct 05 23:37:33 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id RAA06193; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 17:44:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 17:44:47 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <2148EC143F29D1118BE000805FC13CD067EC6A@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: mo' recordings . . . Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 14:47:03 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Resent-Message-ID: <"F6nPq.0.NF.9iJ6s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1899 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com General Listening: Big Satan (Tim Berne/Marc Ducret/Tom Rainey): I think they liked it honey Louis Sclavis Trio: ceux qui veillent la nuit Charles Koechlin: Various orchestral music Mingus: Atlantic box set Roscoe Holcomb: The high lonesome sound of . . . Bjork: Post, homogenic Camaron de la Isla: Vivre Olivier Messian: "Rock of the 90s" radio (usual culprits) From ???@??? Mon Oct 05 23:37:42 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id SAA20140; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 18:14:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 18:14:19 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3619454D.38B154FF@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1998 15:16:47 -0700 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Recordings References: <000f01bded51$82fd1580$c5b854ce@mark.asisoftware.com> <36156F90.6807707B@csi.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"2bhfZ1.0.B94.XCK6s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1900 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com error, uh: Buffalo Daughter's newest release is called "New Rock" not "Rock Music". Sorry to confuse anyone out there (it's really great, too, btw...) ciao, Lance G. P. S.: Jesse - Nels Cline's "Angelica"; circa 1988; Nels - guitars Tim Berne - alto sax Stacy Rowles - trumpet, fluegelhorn Eric Von Essen - bass, chromatic harmonica Alex Cline - drums, percussion fairly straight-ahead, with a bit of meadering on certain tracks; not atonal, but polytonal (as opposed to highly chromatic)? From ???@??? Mon Oct 05 23:37:58 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id TAA27483; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 19:41:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 19:41:53 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19981005233734.21226.rocketmail@send105.yahoomail.com> Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 16:37:34 -0700 (PDT) From: robert kolosowski Subject: echoplex out there ? To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"z7KBr2.0.0_5.7VL6s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1901 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I know there's a slim chance of this but ... I'm in 'Down Under' and I have an American mate going back home to Calif. to see a Residents gig, so i thought - good time to pick up a new/used Echoplex. If he's in the "Bay area" can anyone suggest where to look...or am i chasing the Holy Grail ? Thanks Rob == Robert Kolosowski Kolosoro@Yahoo.com _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From ???@??? Mon Oct 05 23:38:11 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id UAA10520; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 20:15:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 20:15:05 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <2.2.32.19981005235809.006ee43c@pop.chromatic.com> X-Sender: kflint@pop.chromatic.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1998 16:58:09 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: echoplex out there ? Resent-Message-ID: <"RKere1.0.BR1.xwL6s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1902 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com go to Banana's at Large in San Rafael (across the Golden Gate bridge from SF, nice drive anyway.) Someone else just said they have them in stock. If not, other places have them. Banana's address: 1504 Fourth St. San Rafael, CA 94901 USA 415-457-7600 http://www.bananas.com They'll even ship international, so you could just call them and have it sent. Lot's of places seem to do that now. kim At 04:37 PM 10/5/98 -0700, you wrote: >I know there's a slim chance of this but ... >I'm in 'Down Under' and I have an American mate going back home to >Calif. to see a Residents gig, so i thought - good time to pick up a >new/used Echoplex. >If he's in the "Bay area" can anyone suggest where to look...or am i >chasing the Holy Grail ? >Thanks >Rob > > > > >== > >Robert Kolosowski >Kolosoro@Yahoo.com > >_________________________________________________________ >DO YOU YAHOO!? >Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > _________________________________________________________ Kim Flint, MTS kflint@chromatic.com Chromatic Research 408-752-9284 http://www.chromatic.com From ???@??? Mon Oct 05 23:38:23 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id VAA02948; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 21:14:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 21:14:13 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <36196DB7.A3FAEB6D@bellsouth.net> Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1998 21:09:12 -0400 From: Jeff Duke X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: echoplex out there ? References: <19981005233734.21226.rocketmail@send105.yahoomail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"K_lZN.0._u7.LqM6s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1903 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thoroughbred Music carries them in their catalog, you can check them out at http://www.tbred-music.com/ good luck, Jeff robert kolosowski wrote: > I know there's a slim chance of this but ... > I'm in 'Down Under' and I have an American mate going back home to > Calif. to see a Residents gig, so i thought - good time to pick up a > new/used Echoplex. > If he's in the "Bay area" can anyone suggest where to look...or am i > chasing the Holy Grail ? > Thanks > Rob > > == > > Robert Kolosowski > Kolosoro@Yahoo.com > > _________________________________________________________ > DO YOU YAHOO!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From ???@??? Mon Oct 05 23:38:27 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id VAA11868; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 21:34:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 21:34:49 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 21:16:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Adam Levin X-Sender: alevin@ari.ari.net To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Subject: Tony Geballe/Dark Aether Project/Fingerpaint in Baltimore Friday Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"cYMcf3.0.nw.SzM6s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1904 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com FRAGMENTS OF THE MASS DREAM Diverse Directions in Guitar Music Friday, October 9th 1998 9pm Cafe Tattoo - 4825 Belair Road - Baltimore MD (410)325-7427 One instrument, three different styles of music. On Friday October 9th Cafe Tattoo (The Baltimore City Paper's pick for the Best Jazz Club for 1998) will be hosting an exciting and diverse evening of guitar music. FingerPaint, The Dark Aether Project, and Tony Geballe converge from diverse musical backgrounds to share their love of sonic exploration. Fragments of musical vision presented as one whole evening of enticing music. ----- FingerPaint is guitarists/synthesists Steev Geest and Patrick Smith. Exploring the edges of electronic music and spontaneous composition, their improvisatory soundscapes have been described as "sinister and alien" by the Philadelphia City Paper. See http://www.fingerpaint.net/ for more information about FingerPaint. ----- The Dark Aether Project features Adam Levin (Warr 8 String Touch Guitar/ Loops), Yaman Aksu (Fretted and Fretless Guitars/Guitar Synth), and Brian Griffin (Drums). Progression magazine says "...jazz-inflected, often minimalistic...foreboding soundscape[s]... classy...offers mature musicianship without pretentiousness." Expose says "...intense and blistering lead work...amazing loops and shimmering textures that are at once haunting and dreamlike...worthy of attention." The Dark Aether Project will be joined by special guest vocalist Ray Weston (Echolyn/Still/Always Almost) See http://www.darkaether.net/ for more info on The Dark Aether Project ----- Tony Geballe has been a member of the Turkish music trio Dostlar and the New York Indonesian Consulate Gamelan. As a member of Robert Fripp and the League of Crafty Guitarists, Tony has made several recordings and toured Israel, Europe and the US, as well as appearing on local and national radio and television shows. The 12-string guitar is primarily known as a folk instrument, but Tony combines elements of classical and jazz techniques, harmony and form with the shimmering and resonant sound of the instrument, to create a unique, compelling and satisfying music. Tony 's CD of solo 12-string guitar music, "Native of the Rain," has been released by Discipline Global Mobile records. "Deftly bridges the chasm between pop accessibility and meticulously crafted musicianship. Geballe's compositions, awash in dazzling, evocative sonic cascades, demonstrate just how far one exemplary musician can push the musical envelope armed with only one 12-string acoustic guitar." ----- -Adam --- "...if one strives at hearing for the sake of constant virtue, out of seeking liberation from cyclic existence, gradually one becomes a Hearer." - Chandrakirti T h e D a r k A e t h e r P r o j e c t http://www.darkaether.net/ From ???@??? Mon Oct 05 23:38:33 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id WAA22934; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 22:00:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 22:00:39 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: murff@bellsouth.net Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19981005210343.007c5160@bna.bellsouth.net> X-Sender: murff@bna.bellsouth.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1998 21:03:43 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: echoplex out there ? In-Reply-To: <36196DB7.A3FAEB6D@bellsouth.net> References: <19981005233734.21226.rocketmail@send105.yahoomail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"ROgOT2.0.t65.bYN6s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1905 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Also, try Mars Music. They have 22 or 23 stores. They carry them and each store should stock at least one Echoplex and Foot Controller. They do international sales. They have a web site. < http://www.mars-music.com/ > murff >Thoroughbred Music carries them in their catalog, you can check them out >at http://www.tbred-music.com/ > good luck, >Jeff > >robert kolosowski wrote: > >> I know there's a slim chance of this but ... >> I'm in 'Down Under' and I have an American mate going back home to >> Calif. to see a Residents gig, so i thought - good time to pick up a >> new/used Echoplex. >> If he's in the "Bay area" can anyone suggest where to look...or am i >> chasing the Holy Grail ? >> Thanks >> Rob >> >> == >> >> Robert Kolosowski >> Kolosoro@Yahoo.com >> >> _________________________________________________________ >> DO YOU YAHOO!? >> Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > From ???@??? Mon Oct 05 23:38:36 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id WAA28702; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 22:13:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 22:13:24 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: murff@bellsouth.net Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19981005210831.007c8bd0@bna.bellsouth.net> X-Sender: murff@bna.bellsouth.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1998 21:08:31 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: echoplex out there ? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"Ml0F61.0.ac5.9dN6s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1906 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sorry- wrong URL http://www.marsmusic.com/ murff >Thoroughbred Music carries them in their catalog, you can check them out >at http://www.tbred-music.com/ > good luck, >Jeff > >robert kolosowski wrote: > >> I know there's a slim chance of this but ... >> I'm in 'Down Under' and I have an American mate going back home to >> Calif. to see a Residents gig, so i thought - good time to pick up a >> new/used Echoplex. >> If he's in the "Bay area" can anyone suggest where to look...or am i >> chasing the Holy Grail ? >> Thanks >> Rob >> >> == >> >> Robert Kolosowski >> Kolosoro@Yahoo.com >> >> _________________________________________________________ >> DO YOU YAHOO!? >> Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > From ???@??? Mon Oct 05 23:38:37 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id WAA08860; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 22:43:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 22:43:39 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <36198115.63E4A1C8@bway.net> Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1998 22:31:50 -0400 From: Matthew Pierce X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: echoplex out there ? References: <19981005233734.21226.rocketmail@send105.yahoomail.com> <3.0.6.32.19981005210343.007c5160@bna.bellsouth.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"QKNpX2.0.FF1.x6O6s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1907 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com murff@bellsouth.net wrote: > Also, try Mars Music. They have 22 or 23 stores. They carry them and each > store should stock at least one Echoplex and Foot Controller. They do > international sales. > They have a web site. < http://www.mars-music.com/ > > murff > I bought mine from Musician's Friend on one of those awesome payment plans. They have a web site...musiciansfriend.com. From ???@??? Mon Oct 05 23:38:45 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id AAA11390; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 00:10:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 00:10:01 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199810060312.WAA07681@smtp1.mailsrvcs.net> From: "future perfect" To: Subject: Re: echoplex out there ? Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 23:15:10 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"r16VD3.0.E_1.QOP6s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1908 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I was just looking through the website of a local Florida music magazine- I found this: OBERHELM, Winter Park, (407) 677-4679 Digital-pro echoplex w/controller & manual expanded $485. This is NOT me, so please don't respond directly to me. The website is www.floridajam.com Look under 'Classifieds---->Equip for sale. Looks like a good deal. Winter Park is in central Florida, USA- near Orlando. Dave Eichenberger ********************************************************************* 'Future Perfect' - art music - visit our website at: http://home1.gte.net/artmusic/ From ???@??? Tue Oct 06 01:43:59 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id DAA28673; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 03:41:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 03:41:22 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3619B78B.C015A70E@latrobe.edu.au> Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 17:24:09 +1100 From: Brad Knox Reply-To: B.Knox@latrobe.edu.au X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Main (was Re: Recordings) References: <01bded71$b3b4cd60$221bbfa8@0QHC6SIA> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"mklvi3.0.lh5.VPS6s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1909 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Collins wrote: > > There you go. By the way...does anyone else here besides me like MAIN w/ > Robert Hampson? > Lurv the Main... "Motion Pool" has some very nice looping on it... all guitar and no drums (may be on the repetitive side for some) their later stuff is more free-form ambient... "Firmament III" is an amazing trip through some totally alienating sonic territory... Collins, have any idea what they're doing now? brad From ???@??? Tue Oct 06 01:44:02 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id EAA07344; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 04:10:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 04:10:15 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: From: Jamie Lack To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Current listenings Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 17:49:59 +1000 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"_hkoP.0.Ck7.KjS6s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1910 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I haven't been doing too much in the way of listening recently, since I have been designing and constructing a surround sound\music monitor system for my PC at home. I also picked up a Zoom 2100 the other day, and it is quite a good little gadget. I will write a review in a week or so for use on the loopers page. As far as listening goes, I have a biased selection. I just received 5 CD's I had ordered from The Artist Shop. Since DT just posted I guess the coast is clear. They are: David Torn - Tripping over God David Torn - What means Solid Traveller? Torn\Karn\Bozzio - Polytown Mick Karn - The Tooth Mother Mick Karn - Bestial Cluster I have honestly been listening to them non stop at work for about a month now. I have also listened to some : Pop will eat itself - dos dedos mis amigo Mindfunk - Dropped I must be in an energetic music mood, because most of that stuff is very lively. Snak sNak snAk snaK Jamie Lack 3D Artist\Designer jlack@auran.com From ???@??? Tue Oct 06 21:05:46 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id SAA16027; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 18:35:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 18:35:56 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <000201bdf156$531af900$b48232cc@manda.norlink.net> Reply-To: "Gerry P" From: "Gerry P" To: Subject: Re: echoplex out there ? Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 08:29:37 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"HRldy.0.rR2.DYf6s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1914 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Try 8th Street Music - good stock levels and great prices. Gerry P manda@norlink.net -----Original Message----- From: Matthew Pierce To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Tuesday, October 06, 1998 2:59 AM Subject: Re: echoplex out there ? > > >murff@bellsouth.net wrote: > >> Also, try Mars Music. They have 22 or 23 stores. They carry them and each >> store should stock at least one Echoplex and Foot Controller. They do >> international sales. >> They have a web site. < http://www.mars-music.com/ > >> murff >> > >I bought mine from Musician's Friend on one of those awesome payment plans. >They have a web site...musiciansfriend.com. > > > > From ???@??? Tue Oct 06 02:53:15 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id FAA04080; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 05:25:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 05:25:51 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3619DFAD.F17F853E@dial.pipex.com> Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 10:15:25 +0100 From: Gareth Whittock X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com CC: Loopers-Delight-d@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V98 #154 References: <199810060707.DAA15248@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"cHTO23.0.il7.AyT6s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1911 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi loopists, Yesterday I tried out the new Zoom 2100 multi effects unit. It's small, only about 12" x 8". This means the footswitches are a bit close together. You can record 3 x 5sec, "jam" loops all of which are available simultaneously. When you've made a loop though it doesn't latch so you need to keep your foot, (or a brick) on the pedal. This is quite handy for retriggerring a sequence. I recorded a sequence in 3 parts and fired each in turn. This lends itself to the possibility of varying the order of the sequences but would need some nifty footwork. There is a 6 sec delay available and a 10sec one. No 10 sec with the "jam function". In addition there is a 16 sec loop, (the 32 sec loop really fries, it sounds like 8 bits) it is possible to vary the tempo without varying the pitch if you so choose. I couldn't try this though since you have to go in via an aux mini jack to take advantage of the pitch shifting facility - silly. The manual does warn of excessive wobble in this mode, (my words not theirs). The unit is generally a bit lo-fi which is why I'm putting my pennies towards an Echoplex rather than buying this unit as a stopgap. There is a continuous frying/vinyl surface noise effect behind everything. I'm sure some would welcome this but it isn't for me. Still for 150 quid is a great unit for experimentation and generally larking about with. Gareth From ???@??? Tue Oct 06 21:05:40 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id QAA02261; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 16:55:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 16:55:31 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <361A8015.B0D70716@bellsouth.net> Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 16:39:49 -0400 From: Jeff Duke X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V98 #154 References: <199810060707.DAA15248@rosy.yourwebhost.com> <3619DFAD.F17F853E@dial.pipex.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"jEDdE1.0.VO6.rzd6s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1912 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com There is another cheapo looper in Musicions Friend that I just spotted, its the Tone Works AX1-G. For your 149.99 you get the usual bazillion fx ( 7 at once!) plus a sample and play loop function for live perfomance which allows you to layer new parts onto repeating patterns. ( in their words ) .It seems that loopers are becoming popular as practice tools and as this one says, live playing. Great turn of events for looping in general. All the kids coming up will be exposed early to the concept. Loopers Delight the next generation is on its way. Jeff http://members.xoom.com/echo17/tbl.html Gareth Whittock wrote: > Hi loopists, > Yesterday I tried out the new Zoom 2100 multi effects unit. > It's small, only about 12" x 8". This means the footswitches are > a bit close together. You can record 3 x 5sec, "jam" loops all of which > are available simultaneously. When you've made a loop though it doesn't > latch so you need to keep your foot, (or a brick) on the pedal. This is > quite handy for retriggerring a sequence. I recorded a sequence in 3 > parts and fired each in turn. This lends itself to the possibility of > varying the order of the sequences but would need some nifty footwork. > There is a 6 sec delay available and a 10sec one. No 10 sec with the > "jam function". In addition there is a 16 sec loop, (the 32 sec loop > really fries, it sounds like 8 bits) it is possible to vary the tempo > without varying the pitch if you so choose. I couldn't try this though > since you have to go in via an aux mini jack to take advantage of the > pitch shifting facility - silly. The manual does warn of excessive > wobble in this mode, (my words not theirs). The unit is generally a bit > lo-fi which is why I'm putting my pennies towards an Echoplex rather > than buying this unit as a stopgap. There is a continuous frying/vinyl > surface noise effect behind everything. I'm sure some would welcome this > but it isn't for me. Still for 150 quid is a great unit for > experimentation and generally larking about with. > Gareth From ???@??? Tue Oct 06 21:05:45 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id SAA03550; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 18:10:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 18:10:29 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <6326803c.361a91de@aol.com> Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 17:55:42 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Recordings..turns into loops with variation Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 171 Resent-Message-ID: <"is6-u3.0.i67.j6f6s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1913 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 10/5/98 4:39:02 AM GMT, you write: << ...hey, wouldn't it be great to have a looper that can (on >command) apply some kind of variation to the material it is cycling - >possibly reacting to what the soloist is doing? > >> the lex vortex can do this, with the right program it can take a 2s loop and rearrange it. this will be on my vortex database soon, (not yet) Andy Butler From ???@??? Tue Oct 06 21:05:49 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id TAA02995; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 19:16:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 19:16:28 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 19:07:21 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Lexicon MPX100 loopsyncs with jamMan Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 171 Resent-Message-ID: <"VkQnl.0.Ji7.h9g6s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1915 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This has a looper in it. Special FX -15 Infinite Repeat 2 & a bit seconds, mono not really infinite, fades & dulls eventually (good for several minutes) midi syncs to the JamMan ,glitch free ,(a fraction of the jamtapped time). Can either add new material or play over the top, but the manual doesn't tell you how. Apart from this there's some excellent fx+reverbs of very high quality, but not much in the way of extreme sounds. Andy Butler. From ???@??? Tue Oct 06 21:05:50 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id UAA25687; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 20:09:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 20:09:52 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: KRosser414@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 19:59:28 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Recordings Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 18 Resent-Message-ID: <"iYq-K3.0.zF5.rxg6s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1916 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >What does a good player do with an ostinato in an improv situation: = While we're waiting for a good player to answer I think I'll throw in my own $.02... >- variing a part here and there, maybe creating harmonic tension briefly Well, I'd take out the "maybe" and the "briefly". This suggestion is, to me, what makes ostinatos a desirable thing at all. That is, the opportunity to apply varying degrees of harmonic tensions against a static background. I wish more 'electronica' (for lack of a better term) took advantage of this, but it seems like most that I've checked out has been all about rhythm and texture primarily (if not exclusivley). Last week I saw Mark Isham's new 'electronica' band (from what I could tell, I counted three Jam Men, one Obie and one EH 16-sec delay and at least as many other 'standard' delays) and they did a few things that had some harmonic meat to them, and certainly Mark's playing exhibited a good amount harmonic imagination in improvising over ostinatos so I found that pretty enjoyable, but I think he's bringing more to the table in terms of overall musicianship than the rank and file electronica guys I hear. They recorded these shows, I hope they're considering releasing them, they were quite good. In the "Recording" thread there were recent posts listing Frisell's "Songs, We Know" and Emmylou Harris' "Spyboy" which I couldn't list yet but since I just got them this morning I would easily add them to my list, these are both great. Jim Hall's newest is a pretty standard good performance from Jim but is as problematic to me as his other "+ special guests" format records he's done for Tel Arc the last few years on the whole. Nothing quite as inspiring happens as the show I saw last week here in LA - Jim playing duo with Dave Holland - which proved to me he's still one of the most open-minded and fearless improvisors around given the right setting. Ken R From ???@??? Tue Oct 06 21:05:54 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id VAA01969; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 21:48:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 21:48:44 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <002601bdf191$1b6fb6e0$bf0cffd0@petegilbert> From: "Pete Gilbert" To: Subject: Re: Recordings..turns into loops with variation Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 21:23:34 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Resent-Message-ID: <"v7bze2.0.eF7.9Ni6s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1917 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com actually, if you run the output from your jamman into your vortex, you can mangle the looped material to your heart's content. This is great fun, and I recommend that you *do* try this at home :-) ============ Pete Gilbert aka pgilbert@ford.com or PeteGilbert@msn.com Visit the Michigan Stick Trio Web Pages at: http://www.michsticktrio.com/ http://www.detroitsound.com/ -----Original Message----- From: SoundFNR@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Tuesday, October 06, 1998 6:13 PM Subject: Re: Recordings..turns into loops with variation >In a message dated 10/5/98 4:39:02 AM GMT, you write: > ><< ...hey, wouldn't it be great to have a looper that can (on > >command) apply some kind of variation to the material it is cycling - > >possibly reacting to what the soloist is doing? > > >> >the lex vortex can do this, >with the right program it can take a 2s loop and rearrange it. >this will be on my vortex database soon, (not yet) > > Andy Butler > > From ???@??? Wed Oct 07 10:47:50 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id EAA31639; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 04:10:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 04:10:28 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: From: Jamie Lack To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V98 #154 Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 17:55:32 +1000 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"cwjZx.0.U96.Vun6s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1918 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Gareth Whittock [mailto:whiteoak@dial.pipex.com] > >Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 1998 7:15 PM > >To: > >Cc: Loopers-Delight-d@annihilist.com > >Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V98 #154 > > > > > >Hi loopists, > >Yesterday I tried out the new Zoom 2100 multi effects unit. SNIP The unit is > >generally a bit > >lo-fi which is why I'm putting my pennies towards an Echoplex rather > >than buying this unit as a stopgap. There is a continuous > >frying/vinyl > >surface noise effect behind everything. I'm sure some would > >welcome this > >but it isn't for me. Still for 150 quid is a great unit for > >experimentation and generally larking about with. > >Gareth > > I found the sound quality to be impressive through headphones, and as usual I think diligent use of gain\distortion is the key to reducing noise in these units. Possibly the foot pedals are close together so you can trigger three loops with a single foot? I just slide my foot over and press another pedal while maintaining pressure on the other pedal\s. It works OK, however the tolerance for losing playback on a pedal is low when attempting that trick. I was not going to buy any "small" loopers, because i thought the EDP would be a much better tool. However, this ZOOM cost me $300 Australian, has a few decent features, but an Echoplex would cost me $3000 to get shipped over. Hardly an option at the moment. Chalk up one thing living in the US has going for it - much lower prices\higher wages. I'm sorry, but I'd like to support the EDP, Kim, but it's not gonna happen soon. I may as well stop flapping and go and make some noise with my new toy then, hadn't I ? From ???@??? Wed Oct 07 10:48:08 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id KAA16353; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 10:18:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 10:18:57 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <361B3084.8B4C0432@nyfac.com> Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 10:12:37 +0100 From: "Trevor D. Bajus, purveyor of the new rock" Reply-To: nyfac2@nyfac.com Organization: Second Foundation X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Recordings..turns into loops with variation References: <6326803c.361a91de@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"trCBE.0.YZ2.yKt6s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1921 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com SoundFNR@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 10/5/98 4:39:02 AM GMT, you write: > > << ...hey, wouldn't it be great to have a looper that can (on > >command) apply some kind of variation to the material it is cycling - > >possibly reacting to what the soloist is doing? My fully maxed out loop rig has seperate effects for the non looped geetar and the loop rig. As I have changed my straight guitar pedal board again (and I do mean board I got one of those SKB powered velcro boards- worth every penny) I have to figure out how to split the guitar signal easily again (effects loop on board?) but here's a vague approximation of how the rig went/ with gear updates: guitar split into: mxr dynacomp- green mxr delay- small stone- fulltone tremelo- AnalogMan modified ts-9 reissue w/brown sound (the bomb, yo)- mutant big muff (affectionately called the porkchop)- modified Bedrock AC-30 clone and- volume pedal- rat pedal- JamMan- Old ass Ibanez analog multi-effects uunit (model excapes me)- QuadroVerb1 (accept no substitute)-SansAmp PS-1- PA (or if there is another guitar amp, skip the sans amp this way, I can layer distorted and undistorted guitar on the loop, and then distort the whole damned thing for the rousing raveup. trev -- Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity. From ???@??? Wed Oct 07 10:48:06 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id KAA10278; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 10:05:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 10:05:24 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 09:38:34 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Recordings..turns into loops with variation Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 171 Resent-Message-ID: <"n3IUz.0.gw.K6t6s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1920 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 10/7/98 1:51:16 AM GMT, you write: << From: PeteGilbert@email.msn.com (Pete Gilbert) Reply-to: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com actually, if you run the output from your jamman into your vortex, you can mangle the looped material to your heart's content. This is great fun, and I recommend that you *do* try this at home :-) -----Original Message----- From: SoundFNR@aol.com >In a message dated 10/5/98 4:39:02 AM GMT, you write: > ><< ...hey, wouldn't it be great to have a looper that can (on > >command) apply some kind of variation to the material it is cycling - > >possibly reacting to what the soloist is doing? > > >> >the lex vortex can do this, >with the right program it can take a 2s loop and rearrange it. >this will be on my vortex database soon, (not yet) > > Andy Butler > Yes, but with the vortex alone you can do stuff that actually reorders the material in the loop, a bit like making a tape loop , cutting it up, and resplicing it in a different order. Sorry the original post was so vague. Andy Butler From ???@??? Wed Oct 07 10:48:04 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id JAA06080; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 09:55:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 09:55:33 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 09:38:37 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Recordings..turns into loops with variation Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 171 Resent-Message-ID: <"Cbjhm2.0.Xf7.Xws6s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1919 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 10/7/98 1:51:16 AM GMT, you write: << From: PeteGilbert@email.msn.com (Pete Gilbert) Reply-to: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com actually, if you run the output from your jamman into your vortex, you can mangle the looped material to your heart's content. This is great fun, and I recommend that you *do* try this at home :-) -----Original Message----- From: SoundFNR@aol.com >In a message dated 10/5/98 4:39:02 AM GMT, you write: > ><< ...hey, wouldn't it be great to have a looper that can (on > >command) apply some kind of variation to the material it is cycling - > >possibly reacting to what the soloist is doing? > > >> >the lex vortex can do this, >with the right program it can take a 2s loop and rearrange it. >this will be on my vortex database soon, (not yet) > > Andy Butler > Yes, but with the vortex alone you can do stuff that actually reorders the material in the loop, a bit like making a tape loop , cutting it up, and resplicing it in a different order. Sorry the original post was so vague. Andy Butler From ???@??? Wed Oct 07 10:48:36 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id NAA22436; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 13:10:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 13:10:48 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: doug@mail.lightlink.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <2.2.32.19980925005710.009e6918@pop.chromatic.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 12:27:04 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Doug Wyatt Subject: Re: Zoom & DOD as loopers Resent-Message-ID: <"zbQW.0.-e4.Imv6s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1923 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 11:50 -0500 10/7/98, David Myers wrote: > Also, I don't think I've seen mention of the DOD Dimension 12 on the list, > and a search of the archives didn't bring it up. From a review I saw, it > seems that in "delay" mode the Dimension 12 will give 12 seconds of true > layered looping. The only apparent bummer is no sync input, but being able > to dial in exact delay times would deal with that pretty well--enough so > for my needs at present, anyway. I'm looking to add some minor looping > capability to my setup and haven't spotted a Digitech 7.6 or 8000 for some > time, so the Dimension 12 (at about $240 street) looks pretty good. Anyone > tried one? Kim recently put up a page with an archived discussion of the D12. The author didn't think much of it, because in sampling mode you can't overdub or even record the second sample while playing the first. I agree, sampler mode isn't really quite what I want. But yes, in delay mode, you've got 12 seconds of delay time with a feedback control, and tap tempo. The delay times can be set to a resolution of 10 milliseconds when it's less than 10 seconds -- 100 milliseconds at 10 seconds+. The lack of an input level indicator is annoying but trial and error sufficed. You can apply modulation to the delay too, and that's kinda fun. Doug -- Doug Wyatt doug@sonosphere.com Sonosphere (electric/improv music) http://www.sonosphere.com/ "Accidental Beauties" CD release: http://www.sonosphere.com/wyatt/ available from CMC, 1-800-882-4262 http://www.MusicDiscoveries.com/ From ???@??? Wed Oct 07 23:00:12 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id MAA29389; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 12:03:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 12:03:23 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: dmgraph@mail.earthlink.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.19980925005710.009e6918@pop.chromatic.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 11:50:11 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: David Myers Subject: Zoom & DOD as loopers Resent-Message-ID: <"oQ03A1.0.hU5.opu6s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1922 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Re the current talk about the Zoom 2100: if I am not mistaken, it appears that this unit will only trap sample segments, i.e., it won't allow continuous input to layer sounds over time. I'm not sure that in the context of Looper's Delight this is looping at all. At any rate, it's a very important distinction to make. I hope anyone who has actually used the unit will correct me if I am wrong about the 2100. Also, I don't think I've seen mention of the DOD Dimension 12 on the list, and a search of the archives didn't bring it up. From a review I saw, it seems that in "delay" mode the Dimension 12 will give 12 seconds of true layered looping. The only apparent bummer is no sync input, but being able to dial in exact delay times would deal with that pretty well--enough so for my needs at present, anyway. I'm looking to add some minor looping capability to my setup and haven't spotted a Digitech 7.6 or 8000 for some time, so the Dimension 12 (at about $240 street) looks pretty good. Anyone tried one? David Myers From ???@??? Wed Oct 14 11:19:44 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id DAA04724; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 03:49:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 03:49:59 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: 123abc@ts.hklawsoc.org.hk Message-ID: <361BF8A6.7140@ts.hklawsoc.org.hk> Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 07:26:30 +0800 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: loop music Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"7LkKf.0.oa.o359s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2097 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I live in Hong Kong and I use SP-808 and a Roland XP50 to make my music. Unfortunately, I can't send you my email address right now coz I use hotmail.com and it's wait too slow to access it. here is my ICQ#5823416. I have made a few songs lately with loops ....I hope to include it in your up coming Loopers' CD should there be any new ones... please feel free to contact me.... DJ Orange From ???@??? Wed Oct 07 23:00:45 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id UAA20494; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 20:18:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 20:18:38 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Collins" To: Subject: Information on contact microphones Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 20:00:06 -0400 Message-ID: <01bdf24e$9b92c520$2a1cbfa8@0QHC6SIA> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"jI01X3.0.Ar2.h007s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1924 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com To all those who are wanting to record sounds that the usual mics won't be able to pick up, i have been thinking about contact microphones since i discovered John Cage. They are an amazing way to get sounds never heard before out of anything...even rocks. If you too are interested in making yourself a couple of contact mics, you can visit... http://www.harmonycentral.com/Guitar/piezo-pickups.txt There are a ton of posts on this subject that can help you out tremendously. Hope this can help a few of you fellow loopers. Sincerely, Jeff Collins http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Stadium/1429/STRANGETONES.html From ???@??? Wed Oct 07 23:00:44 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id UAA20640; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 20:19:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 20:19:00 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: M3chakucha@aol.com Message-ID: <28faf4ae.361c01eb@aol.com> Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 20:06:03 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: New Digital Sampling/Looping devices. Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Resent-Message-ID: <"zv-fI.0.Ua3.v607s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1925 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Dear all, My echoplex just died the great and tragic death, and I was wondering what was still available and at what price ranges. Preferably, I am looking for something that has a foot controller and can handle around 5 to 10 seconds of sampling prior to looping it. Thanks again. Sincerely, Lee From ???@??? Wed Oct 07 23:00:49 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id UAA04790; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 20:57:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 20:57:42 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: GRAIGORY2@aol.com Message-ID: <8cfe88a.361c0c91@aol.com> Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 20:51:29 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Computer Studios Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 226 Resent-Message-ID: <"hQZk6.0.cT.Zn07s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1926 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Any tips on getting the least amount of noise possible from a PC? From ???@??? Wed Oct 07 23:00:57 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id WAA00452; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 22:04:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 22:04:20 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Douglas Lawrence" To: Subject: RE: Computer Studios Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 21:54:02 -0400 Message-ID: <000001bdf25e$8703c220$87500218@cc1006472-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <8cfe88a.361c0c91@aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"ASXt3.0.mt6.Ih17s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1927 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com What most studios do is use a digital I/O card to send the audio signal in and out of the PC. This way you can use an external audio converter as opposed to a sound card. This is something like a setup for the Event Layla. -----Original Message----- From: GRAIGORY2@aol.com [mailto:GRAIGORY2@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 1998 8:51 PM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Computer Studios Any tips on getting the least amount of noise possible from a PC? From ???@??? Wed Oct 07 23:01:08 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id AAA06480; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 00:57:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 00:57:13 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <88cd8486.361c43c7@aol.com> Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 00:47:03 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: absolutely no loop content Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 170 Resent-Message-ID: <"J3QPv.0.EV.FE47s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1928 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com now we all know what we are listening to......what are we reading? sure, i said " time to listen, is time to play" but on some level i must read every day. a book is easier to take to bed than a guitar or synth or computer or drums or significant other or fill in the blanks......outside of music mags and equipment reviews and of course loopers delight, the best thing ive read in a long time is a wonderful book "Confederacy of Dunces" by john kennedy toole......the reason i ask this, i dont think that there are that many loopers on our little globe, in fact ill bet there are more shoe fetishes out there than us......are there any common denominators that lead us to this form of expression (looping)......perhaps this is an unanswerable question or perhaps i should just keep quiet......just wondering......michael From ???@??? Thu Oct 08 01:28:36 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id CAA10094; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 02:26:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 02:26:56 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Reply-To: From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: Subject: RE: Computer Studios Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 23:14:40 -0700 Message-ID: <002201bdf283$20c411c0$6e32dacf@stepheng> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 In-Reply-To: <8cfe88a.361c0c91@aol.com> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <"fLeG92.0.hG1.PX57s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1929 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I found that, after all my work on cabling and every frigging thing else, I now could hear RF interference from... you guessed it, my monitor, a 3-year-old Sampo AlphaScan II, which might have developed its "voice" in the past year or so. Arrgh! I separated the monitor by several feet from the rest of my sound processing equipment, AND the PC. End of noticeable interference. :) Stephen GoodmanÊ -Ê It's... The Loop Of The Week (Gene Autry)! EarthLight StudiosÊ -Ê http://www.earthlight.net/Studios > -----Original Message----- > From: GRAIGORY2@aol.com [mailto:GRAIGORY2@aol.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 1998 5:51 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Subject: Computer Studios > > > Any tips on getting the least amount of noise possible from a PC? > From ???@??? Thu Oct 08 10:28:02 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id JAA17322; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 09:33:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 09:33:04 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 10:16:02 +0400 Message-ID: <00019D7B.4007@poyry.com.br> From: miguel.barella@poyry.com.br (MAT) Subject: Y2K To: "'Loopers Delight'" Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Resent-Message-ID: <"KbnI-3.0.Tv2.1nB7s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1945 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Does anybody know if loop machines, delays, reverbs etc. will be affected by the Y2K bug? Miguel From ???@??? Thu Oct 08 01:28:34 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id CAA09438; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 02:25:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 02:25:19 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <361C5989.EA1E47BE@texas.net> Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 01:19:56 -0500 From: Bobdog Catlin Reply-To: psbuddha@texas.net Organization: Pseudo Buddha/Doghouse Ent. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Reading is fun (da mental...) References: <88cd8486.361c43c7@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"aEJQ23.0.HL1.2Y57s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1930 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com i'm in the middle of 3 fiction things right now. i like to split up my reading when i can: illusions by richard bach - flying with god instead of seagulls this time, the collected short stories of philip k. dick, volumes 1-5 - they're pretty much the same story over & over again, but i've liked this story since i was 7 years old when i read eye in the sky, guns of the south by harry turtledove - a very ridiculous " what if neo-nazi south africans from 2013 had a time machine, went back to civil war america, & gave robert e. lee an endless supply of ak-47's w/ammo" plot line, but entertaining nonetheless, and for no fun at all, i'm spending several hours a day leafing through the manual to m.o.t.u.'s audiodesk, a poorly indexed piece if'n there ever was one... bobdog From ???@??? Thu Oct 08 01:28:39 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id CAA19814; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 02:50:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 02:50:57 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19981007234153.00919650@pop.nwlink.com> X-Sender: jt@pop.nwlink.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 23:41:53 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: jt Subject: TC-2290? In-Reply-To: <88cd8486.361c43c7@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"gvSEW3.0.g-3.-w57s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1931 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I thought I'd abuse myself and check out the TC Electronics site. When I was checking out the info on the TC-2290, it sounded like it had been updated from the older model. Does anyone have any info on these, such as price, stereo, how they compare to an Echoplex? Thanks, JT (replace 'spam' with 'link' to reply directly) From ???@??? Thu Oct 08 01:28:48 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id DAA04024; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 03:32:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 03:32:28 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: From: Jamie Lack To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: Zoom 2100 loopy samples Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 17:18:33 +1000 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"8dwgl.0.bX7.3S67s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1932 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com The 2100 has a sound on sound delay mode, with at least six seconds of delay. I contend your statement about sample triggering not being looping. You get 3 samples on the zoom 2100. You can make them loop if you try. You can mix them, trigger them, play them ryhtmically, and overaly them. You can also replace them while playing others. It definitely loops. > >-----Original Message----- > >From: David Myers [mailto:dmgraph@pulsewidth.com] > >Sent: Thursday, October 08, 1998 2:50 AM > >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > >Subject: Zoom & DOD as loopers > > > > > >Re the current talk about the Zoom 2100: if I am not > >mistaken, it appears > >that this unit will only trap sample segments, i.e., it won't allow > >continuous input to layer sounds over time. I'm not sure that in the > >context of Looper's Delight this is looping at all. At any > >rate, it's a > >very important distinction to make. I hope anyone who has > >actually used > >the unit will correct me if I am wrong about the 2100. > > > >Also, I don't think I've seen mention of the DOD Dimension > >12 on the list, > >and a search of the archives didn't bring it up. From a > >review I saw, it > >seems that in "delay" mode the Dimension 12 will give 12 > >seconds of true > >layered looping. The only apparent bummer is no sync input, > >but being able > >to dial in exact delay times would deal with that pretty > >well--enough so > >for my needs at present, anyway. I'm looking to add some > >minor looping > >capability to my setup and haven't spotted a Digitech 7.6 or > >8000 for some > >time, so the Dimension 12 (at about $240 street) looks > >pretty good. Anyone > >tried one? > > > >David Myers > > From ???@??? Thu Oct 08 01:28:49 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id DAA04971; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 03:34:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 03:34:49 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: From: Jamie Lack To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: Loop reading. Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 17:27:20 +1000 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"USJN11.0.VL.zZ67s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1933 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I am reading a bowie biography at the moment. Generally I read everything, but I like SF of Clarke and Asimov, and I like books on technical things, or autobiographies of zany people like Ghandi. I'm not much into serious or obscure type lit , y'know things that like Nietchze or Burroughs or whatever influential stuff people often qoute. I just trawl a bit and practice expanding knowledge from a point source. i don't read music books much, except for musician bio's and articles. I am a bit more active in my pursuit of visual stimulation. I like to watch animation and films. I am most active in pursuing my musical stumulation, though. Probably 70\20\10 (Music\Viz\Read) > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Nemoguitt@aol.com [mailto:Nemoguitt@aol.com] > >Sent: Thursday, October 08, 1998 2:47 PM > >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > >Subject: absolutely no loop content > > > > > >now we all know what we are listening to......what are we > >reading? sure, i > >said " time to listen, is time to play" but on some level i > >must read every > >day. a book is easier to take to bed than a guitar or synth > >or computer or > >drums or significant other or fill in the > >blanks......outside of music mags > >and equipment reviews and of course loopers delight, the > >best thing ive read > >in a long time is a wonderful book "Confederacy of Dunces" > >by john kennedy > >toole......the reason i ask this, i dont think that there > >are that many > >loopers on our little globe, in fact ill bet there are more > >shoe fetishes out > >there than us......are there any common denominators that > >lead us to this form > >of expression (looping)......perhaps this is an unanswerable > >question or > >perhaps i should just keep quiet......just wondering......michael > > From ???@??? Thu Oct 08 02:03:44 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id EAA30167; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 04:41:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 04:41:15 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <88cd8486.361c43c7@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 01:12:05 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: absolutely no loop content Resent-Message-ID: <"h_pjT.0.896.YU77s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1934 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >now we all know what we are listening to......what are we reading? sure, i >said " time to listen, is time to play" but on some level i must read every >day. a book is easier to take to bed than a guitar or synth or computer or >drums or significant other or fill in the blanks......outside of music mags >and equipment reviews and of course loopers delight, the best thing ive read >in a long time is a wonderful book "Confederacy of Dunces" by john kennedy >toole......the reason i ask this, i dont think that there are that many >loopers on our little globe, in fact ill bet there are more shoe fetishes out >there than us......are there any common denominators that lead us to this form >of expression (looping)......perhaps this is an unanswerable question or >perhaps i should just keep quiet......just wondering......michael currently reading some old dude named Rene Descartes from the 1600's. "I think therefore I Loop!" "I loop therefore I covet gear!" "I covet gear therefore I think!" I highly recommend Rene for any looper, as he has his own rather profound approach to looping. Descartes proved himself to be a very bright guy early on, even inventing some fundamental mathematical concepts we all were tortured with as youngsters. And then, convinced of his own mediocrity, he devoted 9 years of his life to eliminating all of his opinions. Descartes developed an exemplary approach to thought, whereby he would: never accept anything to be true which he did not absolutely know to be true; divide difficult problems into as many simple parts as possible, so that they can more easily be solved; conduct his thinking in order from the simplest and easiest to prove through to the more complex; and last, to make his studies so complete and general as to not omit anything. Then, after this remarkable effort, Rene employs an amazing bit of circular logic to prove the existence of God in just three rather convoluted sentences. Impressive! I heartily encourage you all to create music in that fashion. In fact, reminds me of many posts here on Looper's Delight. Sadly, although Rene is considered the Father of Modern Philosophy, he did not live long enough to invent his own looper or compose any influential loop music, as he certainly would have. The queen of Sweden hired him to be her tutor, and demanded that he begin instruction at 5am in cold Sweden. He died within months. I'm sure the same would happen to me.... kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Thu Oct 08 02:03:46 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id EAA29752; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 04:40:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 04:40:11 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <2.2.32.19980925005710.009e6918@pop.chromatic.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 01:27:42 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Zoom & DOD as loopers Resent-Message-ID: <"R0uQH.0.HA6.kU77s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1935 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 9:50 AM -0700 10/7/98, David Myers wrote: >Re the current talk about the Zoom 2100: if I am not mistaken, it appears >that this unit will only trap sample segments, i.e., it won't allow >continuous input to layer sounds over time. I'm not sure that in the >context of Looper's Delight this is looping at all. At any rate, it's a >very important distinction to make. I hope anyone who has actually used >the unit will correct me if I am wrong about the 2100. I wouldn't say that it's Not Looping, just that it's lacking a feature that many people find very critical. I think that features like this are important things to consider in looking at many of these new devices. Many of them have user interfaces that are not very friendly for live performance and real-time use, and many of them do little more than "capture audio, repeat it." Jamman, Boomerang, and Echoplex have been out for years now and offer many more loop functions than this basic idea, and are much easier to use. I think we oughta expect more out of anything coming out now. >Also, I don't think I've seen mention of the DOD Dimension 12 on the list, http://www.annihilist.com/loop/tools/dimension12/D12.html kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Thu Oct 08 10:27:04 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id EAA04168; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 04:59:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 04:59:09 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19981007234153.00919650@pop.nwlink.com> References: <88cd8486.361c43c7@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 01:32:54 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: TC-2290? Resent-Message-ID: <"otXjg1.0._d6.PZ77s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1936 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >I thought I'd abuse myself and check out the TC Electronics site. When I >was checking out the info on the TC-2290, it sounded like it had been >updated from the older model. > >Does anyone have any info on these, such as price, stereo, how they compare >to an Echoplex? > one bit of info....when I talked to a tc engineer at last year's LA NAMM show, he said the memory used for upgrading it had been discontinued, so you can't make it do long delays anymore. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Thu Oct 08 10:27:06 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id FAA12820; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 05:20:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 05:20:54 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 02:02:53 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: RE: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V98 #154 Resent-Message-ID: <"LqHP31.0._Q1.Z_77s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1937 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >I was not going to buy any "small" loopers, because i thought the EDP >would be a much better tool. >However, this ZOOM cost me $300 Australian, has a few decent features, >but an Echoplex would cost me $3000 to get shipped over. >Hardly an option at the moment. > >Chalk up one thing living in the US has going for it - much lower >prices\higher wages. I just checked exchange rates, which are: Rate: Australian Dollar per 1 United States Dollar : 1.618647 So if an echoplex costs US$650, it would be AUS$1052, right? Is shipping really going to cost you AUS$1948 ($1203)? Somehow that seems a wee little bit exaggerated. :-) Or is there some sort of exhorbitant down-under tax? Mel Gibson moved to LA and now you have to make up the difference from his lost income taxes? kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Thu Oct 08 10:28:06 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id KAA05898; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 10:22:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 10:22:12 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <361C80D0.C8A393C5@nyfac.com> Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 10:07:29 +0100 From: "Trevor D. Bajus, purveyor of the new rock" Reply-To: nyfac2@nyfac.com Organization: Second Foundation X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: perversion of contact microphones References: <01bdf24e$9b92c520$2a1cbfa8@0QHC6SIA> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"RUk6q.0.t57.7MC7s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1947 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com anybody ever use that EH drum trigger before? What it is essentially is a contact mic inside a Big Muff sheet metal box with a cork pad. Anyway, I pulled the mic out of there a while ago and used it to record all kinds of goofy, goofy stuff. Lo-fi redefined. tdb -- Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity. From ???@??? Thu Oct 08 10:28:05 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id KAA02523; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 10:14:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 10:14:56 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <361C81BE.9B4B54B0@nyfac.com> Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 10:11:26 +0100 From: "Trevor D. Bajus, purveyor of the new rock" Reply-To: nyfac2@nyfac.com Organization: Second Foundation X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Computer Studios References: <8cfe88a.361c0c91@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"nnBZL2.0.XW7.mPC7s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1948 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com GRAIGORY2@aol.com wrote: > Any tips on getting the least amount of noise possible from a PC? Not to mention the acoustic noise from the fan inside. The old 486DX2 I used to run Session8 on sounded like a chainsaw. It was only really noticable when recording vocals, but I used a delightful (!) software gate that chopped all that stuff out. Acoustic guitars would be a bit of a hassle, I think. tdb -- Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity. From ???@??? Thu Oct 08 10:27:12 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id FAA21455; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 05:42:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 05:42:42 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 05:25:15 -0400 From: Andreas Willers Subject: Re: TC-2290? Sender: Andreas Willers To: "INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Message-ID: <199810080525_MC2-5C0A-12D6@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"8Y70z3.0.zQ3.rI87s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1938 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I might not be up-to-date on this but to my knowladge there hasn't been an update for the 2290 in years. t.c. is still a rather small company (although rapidly growing) and I guess they need all their R&D manpower to develop new products.So as far as looping goes a lot is missing here like reverse play, serveral loops etc.; stereo can be achieved using two units. Anyway it's quite amazing that an FX-unit introduced in the mid-eighties (!) is still available at all and that has to do with the simply incredible sonic quality of this box. For example, when my preamp broke down in mid-gig I rewired the rig & made do in much haste with a sansamp pedal into the 2290 into pwr amp/speakers. Was amazed about a solid clean sound and even a nice, smooth overdrive for my guitar. But afterwards I found that the setting of the sansamp was dead clean and the quite nice & musical breakup in the sound was coming out of the 2290's input stage! From ???@??? Thu Oct 08 10:28:09 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id KAA11896; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 10:35:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 10:35:36 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <361C855F.A50B51F0@nyfac.com> Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 10:26:56 +0100 From: "Trevor D. Bajus, purveyor of the new rock" Reply-To: nyfac2@nyfac.com Organization: Second Foundation X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: absolutely no loop content References: <88cd8486.361c43c7@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"KW0Mf1.0.5D1.JeC7s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1949 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com South of Heaven, Jim Thompson The Golden Gizmo, Mr Thompson Heaven's Reach, David Brin Foundation's Fear, Gregory Benford ProTools manual, Satan tdb -- Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity. From ???@??? Thu Oct 08 10:27:17 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id GAA00576; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 06:12:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 06:12:54 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 06:00:02 -0400 From: buzzard@world.std.com (Sean T Barrett) Message-Id: <199810081000.AA27203@world.std.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: clever idea mercilessly crushed Resent-Message-ID: <"svQaV.0.kk6.1p87s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1940 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com For a while I've been working on the design for a performance-oriented MIDI looper, since there are a lot of interesting possibilities that can't be done with audio (e.g. successive loop iterations are played through different patches). One neat idea I had would be to arrange the delay to go 'backwards', with successive echoes louder, until they reached a maximum volume and disappeared. This would allow one to do the traditional "add-new-material as old material is fading out" sort of looping, but with a radically different feel. Just to be different. Now, you could do this with digital audio and a very long delay with a lot of multi-taps, but that doesn't sound very easy to arrange. So, then I was thinking, though, if you just recorded a "normal" evolving lopo forwards and played it backwards, it would have a similar effect, except the notes themselves would be backwards. This then led me to the crucial clever idea of doing the same thing that is done for backwards echo in the studio: record the material forwards, play the tape backwards while adding echo, and then play the whole thing forwards. This has problems since you don't know how it's going to come out in the end, and performed-layered-looping kind of requires this, so I hacked around it as follows: setup up the looper however you want it. Record your material, played through the looper, but only record the pre-looped signal. When done, flip the tape, run the loops on the recorded mateirla backwards, *without changing any looper settings*. This roughly guarantees that the matieral will sync up backwards the same as it did forwards. (Note, though, that you can't really do anything clever, like multiplying). So, a few months ago, I played around with it. It was kind of cool, but I wasn't that inspired at the time, so I put the idea away for a rainy day as 'something cool to play with later'. The other day I was listening to Fripp & Eno's "Evening Star". Seems it's *not* a very original idea after all. Sean From ???@??? Thu Oct 08 10:27:21 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id GAA13412; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 06:45:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 06:45:45 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <361C9680.B6DF9B0A@bellsouth.net> Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 06:40:01 -0400 From: Jeff Duke X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Zoom 2100 loopy samples References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"ZVUKl1.0.KS2.HN97s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1941 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com The Toneworks AX1G http://www.korg.com/ax1gb.htm has an expression pedal that can control some looper functions and it runs on baterries; 14 hrs on 4 AA bats.And it aparently does reverse playback, hifi,lofi, layering etc. It doesn't say how much memory there is though, anybody check this one yet? Jeff Jamie Lack wrote: > The 2100 has a sound on sound delay mode, with at least six seconds of > delay. > > I contend your statement about sample triggering not being looping. > > You get 3 samples on the zoom 2100. > You can make them loop if you try. > You can mix them, trigger them, play them ryhtmically, and overaly them. > You can also replace them while playing others. > > It definitely loops. > > > >-----Original Message----- > > >From: David Myers [mailto:dmgraph@pulsewidth.com] > > >Sent: Thursday, October 08, 1998 2:50 AM > > >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > > >Subject: Zoom & DOD as loopers > > > > > > > > >Re the current talk about the Zoom 2100: if I am not > > >mistaken, it appears > > >that this unit will only trap sample segments, i.e., it won't allow > > >continuous input to layer sounds over time. I'm not sure that in the > > >context of Looper's Delight this is looping at all. At any > > >rate, it's a > > >very important distinction to make. I hope anyone who has > > >actually used > > >the unit will correct me if I am wrong about the 2100. > > > > > >Also, I don't think I've seen mention of the DOD Dimension > > >12 on the list, > > >and a search of the archives didn't bring it up. From a > > >review I saw, it > > >seems that in "delay" mode the Dimension 12 will give 12 > > >seconds of true > > >layered looping. The only apparent bummer is no sync input, > > >but being able > > >to dial in exact delay times would deal with that pretty > > >well--enough so > > >for my needs at present, anyway. I'm looking to add some > > >minor looping > > >capability to my setup and haven't spotted a Digitech 7.6 or > > >8000 for some > > >time, so the Dimension 12 (at about $240 street) looks > > >pretty good. Anyone > > >tried one? > > > > > >David Myers > > > From ???@??? Thu Oct 08 10:27:41 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id IAA17629; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 08:18:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 08:18:35 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 06:55:51 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199810081155.GAA19534@mw1.texas.net> X-Sender: sharkey@mail.texas.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: james rhodes Subject: RE: Loop reading. Resent-Message-ID: <"bJTjj.0.fv1.dVA7s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1942 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >> >best thing ive read >> >in a long time is a wonderful book "Confederacy of Dunces" >> >by john kennedy >> >toole... yes a wonderful book,,,,, unfortunately the author tried unsuccesfully to get this book published,,,to no avail,,,fell deeper into depression,,and commited suicide. After his death, his mother took the book to Walker Percy (the moviegoer, etc.) and he helped get it published...it went on to win a pulitzer. one man's trash is another man's treasure most recent fiction read was "One Hundred Years of Solitude" by Gabriel Garcia Marquez...ive read it about 3 times over the years,,,wanted to read it again...i dont do much fiction currently reading " Vimana in Ancient India" by Dileep K. Kanjilal, Ph.D..........sometime truth is starnger than fiction anyway laterfolks, james From ???@??? Thu Oct 08 10:27:54 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id IAA29578; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 08:47:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 08:47:01 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Brian Thomson, London UK" To: "'Loopers Delight'" Subject: Recordings Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 13:34:56 +0100 Message-ID: <000001bdf2b8$103ed760$ab165c8b@briant.ibm.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"OcYIN1.0.Zo5.Q4B7s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1943 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I swore I wasn't going to do this, but here goes nuffink' Goldie: Saturnz Return (the 2CD new one recommended by dt - try the 60-min long orchestral suite "Mother" for starters... then Bowie gets involved) Photek: modus operandi (purist minimalist drum&bass - new one "form and function" due soon/now) projeKCt two: space groove (Q: what planet are these guys on? A: Zarg - Music for Spaceports) Rush: Test For Echo (a bit mainstream, but oh, those gtr textures) Bill Frisell Band Live (eine Klein-e guitarklangfarbensloopentechnik) Yello: Flag (1987? pull the other one, it's got bells on) Bill Nelson: What Now, What Next (80-90 retrospective on DGM - his lack of critical recognition is little short of criminal) Squarepusher: Hard Normal Daddy (shocking drum&bass&fusion) Markus Reuter: Taster (Warr Games in Bielefeld - what goes around, comes around - excellent purist looping) James: Whiplash The Thought Industry Presents (Michigan ProgThrash?) U.Srinivas & Michael Brook: Dream (sublime) Enough about others: I bought a Korg DL8000R ten days ago, and I should have a review for the digest & site in a few more days. In the meantime, have a look at http://www.korg.com/dl8000r.htm if you're curious... Brian Thomson, London UK bnt@ibm.net bnt@email.com 'To ask "How are things?" of a professional musician is likely to invite an answer which few would want to take on board. "Oh, thanks - things are corrupt, avaricious, lying is common currency, but deceit by stealth is of greater concern. How are you?"' -- Robert "Capt. Fribble" Fripp, September 1998 From ???@??? Thu Oct 08 10:27:51 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id IAA29855; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 08:47:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 08:47:40 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Brian Thomson, London UK" To: "'Loopers Delight'" Subject: Recordings Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 13:38:07 +0100 Message-ID: <000101bdf2b8$80568520$ab165c8b@briant.ibm.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"mM7eT1.0.G96.U7B7s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1944 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I swore I wasn't going to do this, but here goes nuffink' Goldie: Saturnz Return (the 2CD new one recommended by dt - try the 60-min long orchestral suite "Mother" for starters... then Bowie gets involved) Photek: modus operandi (purist minimalist drum&bass - new one "form and function" due soon/now) projeKCt two: space groove (Q: what planet are these guys on? A: Zarg - Music for Spaceports) Rush: Test For Echo (a bit mainstream, but oh, those gtr textures) Bill Frisell Band Live (eine Klein-e guitarklangfarbensloopentechnik) Yello: Flag (1987? pull the other one, it's got bells on) Bill Nelson: What Now, What Next (80-90 retrospective on DGM - his lack of critical recognition is little short of criminal) Squarepusher: Hard Normal Daddy (shocking drum&bass&fusion) Markus Reuter: Taster (Warr Games in Bielefeld - what goes around, comes around - excellent purist looping) James: Whiplash The Thought Industry Presents (Michigan ProgThrash?) U.Srinivas & Michael Brook: Dream (sublime) Enough about others: I bought a Korg DL8000R ten days ago, and I should have a review for the digest & site in a few more days. In the meantime, have a look at http://www.korg.com/dl8000r.htm if you're curious... Brian Thomson, London UK bnt@ibm.net bnt@email.com 'To ask "How are things?" of a professional musician is likely to invite an answer which few would want to take on board. "Oh, thanks - things are corrupt, avaricious, lying is common currency, but deceit by stealth is of greater concern. How are you?"' -- Robert "Capt. Fribble" Fripp, September 1998 From ???@??? Thu Oct 08 10:28:03 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id KAA32253; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 10:07:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 10:07:51 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: GRAIGORY2@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 09:24:31 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Computer Studios Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 226 Resent-Message-ID: <"B84mo.0.S93.DpB7s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1946 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Yea, I plan on getting the Layla.. is that considered an I/O card? From ???@??? Thu Oct 08 10:28:15 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id LAA29800; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 11:14:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 11:14:12 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 11:01:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199810081501.LAA16920@user1.channel1.com> X-Sender: seahorse@user1.channel1.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Frank Gerace Subject: non looping reading material Resent-Message-ID: <"47Se3.0.ee5.IDD7s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1950 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Music and The Spiritual Dimension- RJ Stewart- rereading- lots of interesting takes on the use and misuse of music, for the pro and non-pro Gallilee-Clive Barker -just finished, another great book, maybe not as great as Imajica or Weaveworld, but still, right up there The Celtic World edited by Miranda Green- research for a book I'm cowriting Tales of The Celtic Otherworld-John Matthews- great stories and artwork- very inspiring pics to 'loop the mood' contained in them. All reading, except the Clive Barker, is done in bits and pieces as time permits. With Clive's books, I make it a point to block out hours at a stretch. Frank Gerace Dreamchild From ???@??? Thu Oct 08 10:28:20 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id LAA08336; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 11:39:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 11:39:10 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19981008121905.006ba1d4@fuzzy.brooknorth.com> X-Sender: howard@fuzzy.brooknorth.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 12:19:05 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Howard Harawitz Subject: Wanted: Source for Echoplex in Canada Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"GSWd51.0.5k7.jUD7s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1951 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi folks, I am thinking about buying an Echoplex, but it appears that not all dealers carry them, and finding one in Canada seems to be even more difficult than it is in the US. I just received the following response from a major Canadian music dealer: >>>> The Oberheim Echoplex does exist. I have sold about seven of the units this year. The reason I say they exist is that they took over a year to come in from Oberheim initially, and delivery continues to be slow and unpredictable. Nevertheless, I have had good luck in getting them as our store has a decent relationship with the Oberheim people; I'm pretty sure I can get more. The unit last sold for $1,050.00 CDN plus tax; the footswitch sells for $175 CDN plus tax. If you can handle this I can tell you that this is the best unit of its kind, and I would be happy to get you one. All I ask for is patience, and a 10% deposit. <<<< So far, that is the ONLY positive response I received :-( One US dealer -- Synthony, I believe -- said that they didn't handle Echoplexes at all, and I have received no reply from the few other US and Canadian suppliers that I have corresponded with. Surely, there is a way to get an Echoplex in this part of the world without waiting for a year. The price above is equivalent to about US$660. Is this reasonable? I prefer to buy in Canada because of the customs/currency hassles. Can anyone give me an email address and/or telephone number of a Canadian dealer who has one of these in stock at a decent price? Thanks in advance, Howard ========================================================== Howard Harawitz howard@brooknorth.com ========================================================== Brooklyn North Software Works Inc. Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada Telephone: 1-902-423-0257 ========================================================== Check the Halifax Harbor Cam: http://www.brooknorth.com/camsite/ From ???@??? Thu Oct 08 10:28:30 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id MAA08135; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 12:48:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 12:48:37 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: cbm@mail.well.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <00019D7B.4007@poyry.com.br> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 09:35:07 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Chris Muir Subject: Re: Y2K Resent-Message-ID: <"jOPM63.0.HC.mbE7s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1952 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 11:16 PM -0700 10/7/98, MAT wrote: >Does anybody know if loop machines, delays, reverbs etc. will be affected >by the Y2K bug? Not directly, but, like many animals, they can sense the fear and unease of their owners and may get nervious or skittish mirroring the anxiety of their keepers. Chris __________________________________________________________________ Christopher Bryan Muir | "I had another dream the other day "Hurt Symphonic Barrier" | about music critics. They were http://www.xfade.com/ | small and rodent-like with cbm@well.com | padlocked ears." - Igor Stravinsky From ???@??? Fri Oct 09 02:26:51 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id NAA01180; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 13:43:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 13:43:07 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 10:30:08 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel) Subject: Re: Recordings Resent-Message-ID: <"paH_l.0.Aj5.-IF7s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1954 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >I swore I wasn't going to do this, but here goes nuffink' > >Goldie: Saturnz Return (the 2CD new one recommended by dt - try the 60-min >long orchestral suite "Mother" for starters... then Bowie gets involved) > I dunno, "Mother" struck me as pretty unbearable. Worse than the most overblown prog-rock. THe 2nd disc is pretty terrific though. >Photek: modus operandi (purist minimalist drum&bass - new one "form and >function" due soon/now) Form & Function is out, at least in the states, and it's really good. I like it quite a bit more than Modus, F&F seems to be focussed more on pure drum textures. Listening to Photek is, for me at least, like eavesdropping on the internal conversations of an obsessive/compulsive. ________________________________________________________ Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org : www.peak.org/~improv/ "...there will come a day when you won't have to use gasoline. You'd simply take a cassette and put it in your car, let it run. You'd have to have the proper type of music. Like you take two sticks, put 'em together, make fire. You take some notes and rub 'em together - dum, dum, dum, dum - fire, cosmic fire." -Sun Ra ________________________________________________________ From ???@??? Fri Oct 09 02:26:58 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id OAA17921; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 14:20:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 14:20:35 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <361D00AA.ED175F12@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 11:13:11 -0700 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: content? yes! References: <88cd8486.361c43c7@aol.com> <3.0.1.16.19981008112022.1d8f2ce4@mailhost.elec.gla.ac.uk> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------A10CBE31CE8152ADD5CF4A5C" Resent-Message-ID: <"QUEOJ3.0.EY2.WwF7s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1955 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com  

Michael Pycraft Hughes, PhD wrote:

Was God in the "Loop" bit or "Covet Gear" bits?
Yo, I thought *he* was in the details...

 On the nightstand currently:

Edward Edinger- Anatomy of the Psyche - An Exploration of Jungian Psychology Through Alchemical Symbolism
Edward Tufte- Visual Explanations
Marc Reisner- Cadillac Desert
Stewart Brand- How Buildings Learn
Coleman Barks- The Essential Rumi
Amos Tutuola- My Life in the Bush of Ghosts

Quote of the moment:

"...you don't read women authors, do you?"

-Dylan, 1988
 

8^)*

Lance G. From ???@??? Thu Oct 08 10:27:13 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id FAA23468; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 05:47:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 05:47:55 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19981008112022.1d8f2ce4@mailhost.elec.gla.ac.uk> X-Sender: pycraft@mailhost.elec.gla.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (16) Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 11:20:22 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: "Michael Pycraft Hughes, PhD" Subject: absolutely no philosophy content In-Reply-To: References: <88cd8486.361c43c7@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"GBFav3.0.Qt3.HN87s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1939 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Descartes got it all wrong: >"I think therefore I Loop!" >"I loop therefore I covet gear!" >"I covet gear therefore I think!" ...yeah, he may have said this but did he PRACTISE what he PREACHED? NO!! If he was a well known Echoplex endorser, who raved about his Klein, then maybe.... > Then, after this remarkable effort, Rene employs an amazing bit of circular > logic to prove the existence of God in just three rather convoluted > sentences. Was God in the "Loop" bit or "Covet Gear" bits? >Sadly, although Rene is considered the Father of Modern Philosophy, he did >not live long enough to invent his own looper or compose any influential >loop music, as he certainly would have. No, I reckon you should go back to Pythagoras, who composed the Looping of the Spheres by creating tones using whole SOLAR SYSTEMS! Or was that Kepler? Michael (PS Reading Kerouac's Dharma Bums right now.) Dr Michael Pycraft Hughes, University of Glasgow, Glasgow UK G12 8QQ -------------------------------------------------------------------- "Confront your enemies, avoid them when you can - a gentleman will walk but never run" -Sting, "Englishman in New York" -------------------------------------------------------------------- www.elec.gla.ac.uk/~pycraft pycraft@elec.gla.ac.uk From ???@??? Fri Oct 09 02:27:00 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id PAA03319; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 15:03:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 15:03:09 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <361D08E5.8670B706@dial.pipex.com> Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 19:48:05 +0100 From: Gareth Whittock X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com CC: Loopers-Delight-d@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V98 #156 References: <199810080707.DAA26770@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"AMO7F3.0.e_6.zWG7s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1956 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I was saddened to hear of your bereavement. Tell me how did it happen? Was it a protracted illness or did the end come suddenly? Are you donating the organs to science? Condolences :( Gareth Dear all, > > My echoplex just died the great and tragic death, and I was wondering what was > still available and at what price ranges. From ???@??? Fri Oct 09 02:27:03 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id PAA13388; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 15:24:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 15:24:12 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <2.2.32.19981008191143.00d6a8ec@pop.chromatic.com> X-Sender: kflint@pop.chromatic.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 12:11:43 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: content? bah! Resent-Message-ID: <"JO9te1.0.FT1.NtG7s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1957 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 11:13 AM 10/8/98 -0700, lance glover wrote: > > >Michael Pycraft Hughes, PhD wrote: > >> Was God in the "Loop" bit or "Covet Gear" bits? > >Yo, I thought *he* was in the details... no, you're thinking of that other guy. and y'all better not be covetting my loop gear or I'll be doin' a Ken Starr on yo' ass. kim ________________________________________________________ Kim Flint, MTS 408-752-9284 Chromatic Research kflint@chromatic.com http://www.chromatic.com From ???@??? Fri Oct 09 02:27:19 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id RAA16083; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 17:54:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 17:54:03 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19981008214203.5200.rocketmail@send104.yahoomail.com> Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 14:42:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Bret Subject: Re: Wanted: Source for Echoplex in Canada To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"wbyGY.0.RF2.73J7s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1958 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com ---Howard Harawitz wrote: The price above is equivalent to about US$660. Is this > reasonable? Yes, $660 usd seems good. I am seeing the EDP at several USA mail order houses for $699, and EDP footpedal for $109-$135. bret _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From ???@??? Fri Oct 09 02:27:28 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id TAA17541; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 19:12:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 19:12:46 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: M3chakucha@aol.com Message-ID: <90968aec.361d40d9@aol.com> Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 18:46:49 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Y2K Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Resent-Message-ID: <"ihrU11.0.cT1.Y2K7s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1959 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com The year 2K bug, will only affect these machines if and only if they are database driven! So, no, none of these machines should be affected by the problem of a roll-over in date, unless it is hooked up to your PC, in which case it is a definite possibility that you'll be in for a bit of a shock one day! Lee From ???@??? Fri Oct 09 02:27:29 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id TAA28119; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 19:37:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 19:37:51 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: M3chakucha@aol.com Message-ID: <3e48fc72.361d4810@aol.com> Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 19:17:36 EDT To: sgoodman@earthlight.net Cc: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Computer Studios Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Resent-Message-ID: <"2I-RU.0.dw4.TXK7s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1960 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Dear all, Sorry, that this is not quite about delays/sampling and such, but one site for hardware to check out is http://www.paris.ensoniq.com This has been one of the quietest pieces of computer audio recording equipment I have come across. As for the rest of the PC, the biggest thing is to get a case/power supply that is A/V compliant (in otherwords, actually designed for being used in a studio environment). I concur with another post which states that the best way to handle the audio signal is to keep it digital going into the PC and leaving. http://www.wmcmusic.com has had the stock and answers for me for a while, now. If you're desperate for going through a soundcard, the Yamaha pro series has worked really well for me, and the DAC and ADC are fairly quiet. I just had to get used to sending a fairly hot signal into the PC, in question. Other issues that shall come up are money, type of hardware used, and Operating System. Personally, I've been really happy with a Linux/NT4.0 box that was not that pricey to create. The video card, audio I/O card, sound card and the hard drives were the most expensive items in the box. The rest were picked up a piece or two at a time through different computer shows, and through the Internet. http://www.marketpro.com and http://www.pricewatch.com Anywho, hopes this helps out! Lee-ohki. From ???@??? Fri Oct 09 02:27:30 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id UAA15148; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 20:21:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 20:21:55 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: M3chakucha@aol.com Message-ID: <6292d60b.361d550d@aol.com> Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 20:13:01 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V98 #156 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Resent-Message-ID: <"Grwob1.0.Ej2.UJL7s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1961 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Dear all, My poor echoplex decided that the time to have its primary recording head and the tape to become one would be most prime if would do so during a practice run... The carcass was just about removed from the room and taken into the new hands of some cannibal who plans on taking out the rather pristine breadboards and the rest of the unit, so that his others might live. Thank you for your concern and sorry, the gent was in the room when she stuttered and finally started to spill her life's stream of information all over the floor, besides coughing up a capstan for good measure. So, to make life a little easier, I am thinking about going digital in an attempt of avoiding such mishaps in the future. Something about a decline in possible sound quality but less moving parts! This is a great forum. Lee-ohki. From ???@??? Fri Oct 09 02:28:20 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id DAA26544; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 03:14:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 03:14:15 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Sender: r_t_cummings@csi.com Message-ID: <361D55B1.B32F967@csi.com> Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 01:15:45 +0100 From: Cummings X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [de] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Y2K References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"biIt-3.0.QY5.bMR7s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1970 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com All loops must end on 9/9/99. Please contact your local purveyor of fine musical instruments for information on purchasing a suitable replacement device. -robber ;-) "if a six was a nine, we would shine" Chris Muir schrieb: > > At 11:16 PM -0700 10/7/98, MAT wrote: > >Does anybody know if loop machines, delays, reverbs etc. will be affected > >by the Y2K bug? > > Not directly, but, like many animals, they can sense the fear and unease of > their owners and may get nervious or skittish mirroring the anxiety of > their keepers. > > Chris > > __________________________________________________________________ > Christopher Bryan Muir | "I had another dream the other day > "Hurt Symphonic Barrier" | about music critics. They were > http://www.xfade.com/ | small and rodent-like with > cbm@well.com | padlocked ears." - Igor Stravinsky From ???@??? Fri Oct 09 02:27:31 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id UAA17142; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 20:26:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 20:26:39 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: M3chakucha@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 20:17:03 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: content? bah! Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Resent-Message-ID: <"kJbAx2.0.p53.-ML7s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1962 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com So Kim, Would this mean that you'd take the job writing for Mr. Flynt? :) From ???@??? Fri Oct 09 02:27:39 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id VAA08514; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 21:21:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 21:21:59 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: From: Jamie Lack To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE:OZ price for Echoplex. Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 11:10:26 +1000 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"JZWgA1.0.zf.h8M7s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1963 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Firstly there are two channels to go through to get an EDP to Australia. Go through the single Gibson distributor, and pay $3000, no chance of getting a good price on a one off. Or try and ship one over myself. The best price I have been able to get so far is from Bananas at large, which is $755 for the EDP, pedal board and full RAM. Add an extra $200 US for insured shipping. The australian dollar when I checked last recently was at $0.55 US, so that made 1:1.82 That makes the base price $1374, and shipping $364. For Australian duties and tax the calculation goes: Purchase price "lifted an extra %20 for tax and duty calculation" (It's a legislation) So that makes the amount tax is calculated on is 1374*1.2 = 1649. Tax is %25.4, and duty is another %5 or %10. So depending on how they calculate it, the price could be $620 extra. That makes $1994, plus $364 shipping. Which makes a grand total for this method $2358. Somewhat cheaper than the "Proper channels" method, however, I would invalidate any warranty or support claims by not going through the Australian distributor. It is unlikely that I could ever send the EDP back to the US to get it repaired if something odd happened to it, so the risk is quite a bit higher than a normal purchase. If the exchange get's more favourable, I will get an EDP, but not at $2400. As for Mel Gibson > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Kim Flint [mailto:kflint@annihilist.com] > >Sent: Thursday, October 08, 1998 7:03 PM > >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > >Subject: RE: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V98 #154 > > > > > >>I was not going to buy any "small" loopers, because i > >thought the EDP > >>would be a much better tool. > >>However, this ZOOM cost me $300 Australian, has a few > >decent features, > >>but an Echoplex would cost me $3000 to get shipped over. > >>Hardly an option at the moment. > >> > >>Chalk up one thing living in the US has going for it - much lower > >>prices\higher wages. > > > >I just checked exchange rates, which are: > >Rate: Australian Dollar per 1 United States Dollar : 1.618647 > > > >So if an echoplex costs US$650, it would be AUS$1052, right? > >Is shipping > >really going to cost you AUS$1948 ($1203)? Somehow that > >seems a wee little > >bit exaggerated. :-) Or is there some sort of exhorbitant > >down-under tax? > >Mel Gibson moved to LA and now you have to make up the > >difference from his > >lost income taxes? > > > >kim > > > > > > > >_____________________________________________________________ > >_________ > >Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > >kflint@annihilist.com | > >http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html > > > >http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > > From ???@??? Fri Oct 09 02:27:50 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id XAA25191; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 23:14:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 23:14:41 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <361D7F6B.5CF7@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 20:13:47 -0700 From: Andre LaFosse Reply-To: altruist@earthlink.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-MACOS8 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Recordings References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"F0zXi3.0.BU4.WlN7s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1964 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Dave Trenkel wrote: > >Goldie: Saturnz Return (the 2CD new one recommended by dt - try the 60-min > >long orchestral suite "Mother" for starters... then Bowie gets involved) > > > I dunno, "Mother" struck me as pretty unbearable. Worse than the most > overblown prog-rock. THe 2nd disc is pretty terrific though. I think there's a pretty decent 40-45 minute album hidden somewhere within the 120 + minutes of SaturnzReturn. The first disc is long for the sake of being long; the second one has a few really nice bits (the first three tunes, for my money), and a few other bits that might be bearable if brought down to a managable length. Too much of that album smacks of length for its own sake -- raw repetition without any good musical reason for it. > >Photek: modus operandi (purist minimalist drum&bass - new one "form and > >function" due soon/now) > > Form & Function is out, at least in the states, and it's really good. I > like it quite a bit more than Modus, F&F seems to be focussed more on pure > drum textures. Listening to Photek is, for me at least, like eavesdropping > on the internal conversations of an obsessive/compulsive. I heard some of the older bits on F+F and liked it, but the newer stuff, like just about all the jungle I've heard come out of Britain over the last year or so, is just horrendously discouraging to me. It seems like there's some sort of contest in Britain as to who can come up with the stiffest, simplest, most un-funky beats. The complexity and unpredictable nature of the rhythms that made it such an unusual style a few year ago seems to have been more or less discarded in favor of dishing out a stiff drum-machine emulation of an eight-note rock beat (or, at best, "Funky Drummer" played at 160 BPM, a la Roni Size). Anybody have any reasons why this is the case? Or compelling arguments to the contrary? About the only new (post-'96) jungle I've heard that consistently excites me as much as the older stuff is LA-based DJ Hive and some bits on the new DJ Spooky album; I wonder if the US is due to start picking up the slack in the near future... --Andre From ???@??? Fri Oct 09 02:28:02 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id AAA22370; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 00:22:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 00:22:48 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Paolo Valladolid Message-Id: <199810090414.VAA03219@waynesworld.ucsd.edu> Subject: Re: absolutely no loop content To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 21:14:22 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <88cd8486.361c43c7@aol.com> from "Nemoguitt@aol.com" at Oct 8, 98 00:47:03 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"HLqAW.0.EV4.zqO7s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1965 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > now we all know what we are listening to......what are we reading? sure, i Recent reading: Appleseed by Masamune Shirow The adventures of Deunan Knute and her cyborg buddy Briareos on a post-Apocalyptic Earth The Art Of Hitting by Tony Gwynn Padres' outfielder/8-time NL batting champion Gwynn explains his hitting approach in this autobiography, with plenty of discussion on a host of baseball topics. Recommended for any baseball fan, regardless of team affiliation. :) Memories: The Collection by Katsuhiro Otomo A collection of short works by Japanese comic artist Otomo, probably best known for _Akira_. Contains a hilarious story prominently featuring a King Crimson LP. Carson Of Venus by Edgar Rice Burroughs Burroughs needs no introduction for fans of classic science fiction novels. Love Song: 4 Tales by Shoujo Artist Keiko Nishi A bitter, abusive young woman... 3 sisters sharing a dark secret... the class nerd suddenly gains psychic powers... a factory worker in space dreams of life on Earth. Cheers, Paolo From ???@??? Fri Oct 09 02:28:08 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id AAA31589; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 00:45:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 00:45:35 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <361D933C.5D6C127E@musician.org> Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 21:38:27 -0700 From: eric potter Reply-To: eric@musician.org Organization: Hog Wild Music and Sound FX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: FS: digitech hell References: <19981005154537450.AAA176@sex.austintx.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"9tyAz3.0.na6.-8P7s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1966 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Did you sell these yet? If not, let me know! eric p los angeles Dain R. Luscombe wrote: > hey guys I figured I'd give you guys first dibs on some looping tech. > Kinda low tech but for you cheapo loopers it should suffice quite well. > > Digitech 1002 two second delay pedal: this is is the basic light blue 2 > sec unit with two pedals, one to turn the effect on the other to hold the > loop infinitely. has a range from 2 sec to 125 msecs. > Digitech 20/20 two sec delay pedal: this is a variation on above, it is > red and has the same specs but with an LFO to control delay speed, you > control width and speed. You can get everything from flange and doubling > sounds to setting a loop and having it speed up and slow down like a record > player. > > I'd like to sell the lot for 75$ plus shipping for both units or cool > trades for broken analog stuff. They both work although they are both old > beat up and the switch contacts are dirty. They are fine for home use when > you have time to press the switches again and again till they turn on, but > not for live use unless you want to switch them on and leave them looping > (as we are want to do anyway). > anyway, let me know if you have any offers. Thanks guys. > > dain From ???@??? Fri Oct 09 02:28:10 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id CAA01106; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 02:13:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 02:13:21 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <361DA794.9391D646@jps.net> Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 23:05:09 -0700 From: Roland Eberle X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Subject: FS: DigiTech RDS 7.6 Time Machine Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"6x3--2.0.bD7.aUQ7s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1967 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I have an "extra" time machine (7.6 sec)...dead mint with original manual (built in power supply...yay! no wall wart!) $200 shipped in continental US if you'll prepay via US Postal Money Order...cod ok but you pay shipping cost plus the $5 UPS cod fee. From ???@??? Fri Oct 09 02:28:11 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id CAA03086; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 02:18:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 02:18:15 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19981009061245.28777.rocketmail@send104.yahoomail.com> Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 23:12:45 -0700 (PDT) From: John Tidwell Subject: Not Fade Away To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"MiLEb3.0.Kq7.oXQ7s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1968 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Is there anybody out there? == John Tidwell _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From ???@??? Fri Oct 09 02:28:13 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id CAA19854; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 02:58:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 02:58:57 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 02:52:04 -0400 (EDT) From: David Talento X-Sender: legion@unix01 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: absolutely no loop content In-Reply-To: <199810090414.VAA03219@waynesworld.ucsd.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"Ja2rH.0.2y3.n8R7s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1969 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com On Thu, 8 Oct 1998, Paolo Valladolid wrote: > > now we all know what we are listening to......what are we reading? I spent an hour or so reading all the rants on Robert Fripp's Discipline Global Mobile Web site. The mock interview it pure frippp in humor and a bit close to the bone. Don't have the URL handy but altavista popped it up first try... ----------------------------------------------------------------------- HELP WANTED PRODUCTIONS - Http://www.voicenet.com/~legion "Bringing you the best in Organic Electronic music since we started..." Home of the Unusual Instrument and Recording Gallery with pictures and info of Tube recorders, Omnichords, weird guitars, Casios, and more. Visit it at: Http://www.voicenet.com/~legion/weird.htm From ???@??? Fri Oct 09 02:28:22 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id EAA14275; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 04:03:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 04:03:43 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <361DC0E2.F8FFBE43@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 00:53:14 -0700 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Recordings: absolutely some loop content References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"-yk7H.0.Qc1.HxR7s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1971 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Just curious, but... Of all the current listening, I saw no mention of Lanois' Sling Blade soundtrack. I haven't heard it in a while, hence it wasn't on my list, but I did happen to listen to it yesterday, and am still amazed by some of his tasteful loops, especially with the Kay tremolo. And "The Maker" is just as powerful a tune as the first time I heard it (yikes, 1989!). He gigged at a record store here in Santa Monica a while back (w/ E.Harris), and I was able to check out his gear; a (very) nice collection of vintage Fenders, AC30, several Kay thingies, 'Rang, and a whole lot of (not so) slight-of-hand with patchcords between tunes... fwiw Lance G. From ???@??? Fri Oct 09 03:53:20 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id FAA17917; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 05:43:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 05:43:25 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <361DD6BC.7D2D7677@bellsouth.net> Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 05:26:21 -0400 From: Jeff Duke X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Not Fade Away References: <19981009061245.28777.rocketmail@send104.yahoomail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"DIVeV.0.1S2.5OT7s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1972 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Yes, John Tidwell wrote: > Is there anybody out there? > > == > John Tidwell > > _________________________________________________________ > DO YOU YAHOO!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From ???@??? Fri Oct 09 10:36:43 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id HAA21612; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 07:14:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 07:14:44 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <361D55B1.B32F967@csi.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 03:06:11 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Y2K Resent-Message-ID: <"3nhhO.0.l93.RiU7s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1974 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I'm sorry to report that we've discovered a curious Y2K bug in our Echoplex code. Seems that pressing Multiply, Insert, and Undo simultaneously with SamplerStyle=ATT, exactly at the stroke of midnight for Y2K causes the available loop memory to triple. No kidding! We don't understand this bug at all, and are working desperately to fix it in time. I suggest that, rather than take a chance, you should turn your echoplex off during this period, drink heavily, and try to kiss as many people as possible while the fireworks are going off. That should keep your echoplex safe. That's what I'm going to do.... kim At 5:15 PM -0700 10/8/98, Cummings wrote: >All loops must end on 9/9/99. Please contact your local purveyor of >fine musical instruments for information on purchasing a suitable >replacement device. > >-robber ;-) >"if a six was a nine, we would shine" > > >Chris Muir schrieb: >> >> At 11:16 PM -0700 10/7/98, MAT wrote: >> >Does anybody know if loop machines, delays, reverbs etc. will be affected >> >by the Y2K bug? >> >> Not directly, but, like many animals, they can sense the fear and unease of >> their owners and may get nervious or skittish mirroring the anxiety of >> their keepers. >> >> Chris >> >> __________________________________________________________________ >> Christopher Bryan Muir | "I had another dream the other day >> "Hurt Symphonic Barrier" | about music critics. They were >> http://www.xfade.com/ | small and rodent-like with >> cbm@well.com | padlocked ears." - Igor Stravinsky ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Fri Oct 09 03:53:22 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id GAA00447; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 06:21:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 06:21:27 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <004901bdf36c$77e732e0$c5b854ce@mark.asisoftware.com> From: Mark@asisoftware.com (Mark Kata) To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: Childrens' Sequencer Program Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 06:06:22 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"Icqd41.0.sR6.z-T7s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1973 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Does anyone know of a sequencer program that works like the old Electro-Harmonix sequencer--8 sliders (one for each note in the sequence) that produce an endless loop? I want to introduce my kids to looping. Thanks, Mark Kata Mark@asisoftware.com From ???@??? Fri Oct 09 10:36:41 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id HAA19247; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 07:08:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 07:08:55 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <361D7F6B.5CF7@earthlink.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 03:22:31 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Recordings Resent-Message-ID: <"afQI_1.0.2A3.TiU7s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1975 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >> >Photek: modus operandi (purist minimalist drum&bass - new one "form and >> >function" due soon/now) >> >> Form & Function is out, at least in the states, and it's really good. I >> like it quite a bit more than Modus, F&F seems to be focussed more on pure >> drum textures. Listening to Photek is, for me at least, like eavesdropping >> on the internal conversations of an obsessive/compulsive. > >I heard some of the older bits on F+F and liked it, but the newer stuff, >like just about all the jungle I've heard come out of Britain over the >last year or so, is just horrendously discouraging to me. It seems like >there's some sort of contest in Britain as to who can come up with the >stiffest, simplest, most un-funky beats. > > The complexity and >unpredictable nature of the rhythms that made it such an unusual style a >few year ago seems to have been more or less discarded in favor of >dishing out a stiff drum-machine emulation of an eight-note rock beat >(or, at best, "Funky Drummer" played at 160 BPM, a la Roni Size). That dreadful two-step rhythm. yes, it's been really, really boring. Thing is, I hear people complain about how boring it is all the time, yet it keeps hanging in there. dnb styles usually change pretty rapidly, hopefully this variant will go away soon. >Anybody have any reasons why this is the case? Or compelling arguments >to the contrary? About the only new (post-'96) jungle I've heard that >consistently excites me as much as the older stuff is LA-based DJ Hive >and some bits on the new DJ Spooky album; I wonder if the US is due to >start picking up the slack in the near future... y'know, I've heard a lot of television commercials with really cool backing music in the past couple of years. That's where I've heard the best drum n' bass lately. MTV promos between videos are usually pretty hip too. Usually the best stuff on MTV... Anybody know how that happens? Do the people making these ads just leave the music for the last minute and take whatever gets handed to them? Was the jingle industry quitely disappeared and replace by avant-garde composers? In any case, seems like a fine place for some wild loops. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Fri Oct 09 10:36:40 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id HAA16969; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 07:03:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 07:03:14 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19981008121905.006ba1d4@fuzzy.brooknorth.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 03:30:45 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Wanted: Source for Echoplex in Canada Resent-Message-ID: <"5Ciag1.0.MC3.liU7s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1976 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hey- I think you're working off some old news here. For a period about 1-2 years ago, Oberheim was having all sorts of production trouble, and was way behind. Waiting lists for the echoplex were six months long or worse. Over the past year though, they fixed their problems and got echoplex production ramped up to meet all the demand. These days, Oberheim is busting them out and most OB dealers have them in stock. I guess if you can't find one at the usual places noted (bananas at large, musicians friend, mars music, 8th street music, all do mail order...), then contact OB to help you fnd a dealer with units available. The OB customer service person is: Mike Ayers . good luck, kim At 8:19 AM -0700 10/8/98, Howard Harawitz wrote: >Hi folks, > >I am thinking about buying an Echoplex, but it appears that not all dealers >carry them, and finding one in Canada seems to be even more difficult than >it is in the US. I just received the following response from a major >Canadian music dealer: > >>>>> >The Oberheim Echoplex does exist. I have sold about seven of the units >this year. The reason I say they exist is that they took over a year to >come in from Oberheim initially, and delivery continues to be slow and >unpredictable. Nevertheless, I have had good luck in getting them as our >store has a decent relationship with the Oberheim people; I'm pretty sure >I can get more. The unit last sold for $1,050.00 CDN plus tax; the >footswitch sells for $175 CDN plus tax. >If you can handle this I can tell you that this is the best unit of its >kind, and I would be happy to get you one. All I ask for is patience, and >a 10% deposit. ><<<< > >So far, that is the ONLY positive response I received :-( One US dealer -- >Synthony, I believe -- said that they didn't handle Echoplexes at all, and >I have received no reply from the few other US and Canadian suppliers that >I have corresponded with. > >Surely, there is a way to get an Echoplex in this part of the world without >waiting for a year. The price above is equivalent to about US$660. Is this >reasonable? I prefer to buy in Canada because of the customs/currency >hassles. Can anyone give me an email address and/or telephone number of a >Canadian dealer who has one of these in stock at a decent price? > >Thanks in advance, > >Howard > >========================================================== >Howard Harawitz howard@brooknorth.com >========================================================== >Brooklyn North Software Works Inc. >Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada >Telephone: 1-902-423-0257 >========================================================== >Check the Halifax Harbor Cam: http://www.brooknorth.com/camsite/ ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Fri Oct 09 10:36:38 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id HAA16302; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 07:01:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 07:01:38 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 03:34:14 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: content? bah! Resent-Message-ID: <"1dUmk.0.UC3.miU7s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1977 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >So Kim, > >Would this mean that you'd take the job writing for Mr. Flynt? :) It would certainly pay better than my current job....:-) One letter away from being heir to a porn empire....the tragic story of my life... kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Fri Oct 09 10:36:46 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id HAA05070; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 07:54:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 07:54:33 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Texture444@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 07:36:09 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Childrens' Sequencer Program Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 161 Resent-Message-ID: <"0e3xy2.0.7K7.lJV7s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1978 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 10/9/98 6:23:20 AM, Mark@asisoftware.com writes: >Does anyone know of a sequencer program that works like the old >Electro-Harmonix sequencer--8 sliders (one for each note in the sequence) >that produce an endless loop? >I want to introduce my kids to looping. i'm curious as to why you've focussed upon introducing yer kids to looping via a 'sequencer', as opposed to having them looping actual audio (via, ya know: EDP, jamman, boomerang, etc.....) ? looping airborne sounds can be such a vivid, visceral experience, i think: what with a microphone, harmonica, hand-drum, turntable, bass, guitar and/or *whatever* as kiddly-controlled input. anyway, in my experience: botha my boys cut their loop-teeth on a PCM42/digitech thingie/jamman, etc.; many years later, botha them continue to loop, as a source for their own enjoyment & creativity. best, dt From ???@??? Fri Oct 09 10:36:47 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id IAA18513; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 08:26:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 08:26:38 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Texture444@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 08:11:41 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: absolutely no loop content Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 161 Resent-Message-ID: <"en-Ja2.0.3t2.aqV7s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1979 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >> now we all know what we are listening to......what are we reading? recently read, or reading! ::::: girl in landscape: jonathan lethem traveller in space: june campbell black snow: mikhail bulgakov calm abiding & special insight: geshe gedun lodro prisoners of shangri-la: donald lopez music, the brain & ecstacy: robert jourdain void of course: jim carroll the tibetan yogas of dream & sleep: tenzin wangyal rinpoche the pigeon: patrick suskind madness & civilisation: michel foucault the gifts of the jews: thomas cahill enlightened courage: dilgo khyentse the secret lives of alexandra david-neel: barbara & michael foster everyday kabbalah: melinda ribner best, dt From ???@??? Fri Oct 09 10:36:48 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id IAA22444; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 08:36:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 08:36:00 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <00b501bdf37f$1708f0e0$c5b854ce@mark.asisoftware.com> From: Mark@asisoftware.com (Mark Kata) To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: Re: Childrens' Sequencer Program Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 08:19:40 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"FP-Fv1.0.4e3.YxV7s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1980 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com My kids like computer games, and I thought a software sequencer that emulates an old analog sequencer would be easy for them to operate. Also, it's simpler for them to turn on my computer than my looping rig. And the computer is much quieter than my amp. Mark Kata Mark@asisoftware.com -----Original Message----- From: Texture444@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Friday, October 09, 1998 7:58 AM Subject: Re: Childrens' Sequencer Program > >In a message dated 10/9/98 6:23:20 AM, Mark@asisoftware.com writes: > >>Does anyone know of a sequencer program that works like the old >>Electro-Harmonix sequencer--8 sliders (one for each note in the sequence) >>that produce an endless loop? >>I want to introduce my kids to looping. > >i'm curious as to why you've focussed upon introducing yer kids to looping via >a 'sequencer', as opposed to having them looping actual audio (via, ya know: >EDP, jamman, boomerang, etc.....) ? >looping airborne sounds can be such a vivid, visceral experience, i think: >what with a microphone, harmonica, hand-drum, turntable, bass, guitar and/or >*whatever* as kiddly-controlled input. >anyway, >in my experience: >botha my boys cut their loop-teeth on a PCM42/digitech thingie/jamman, etc.; >many years later, botha them continue to loop, as a source for their own >enjoyment & creativity. >best, >dt > From ???@??? Fri Oct 09 10:36:52 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id IAA26276; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 08:44:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 08:44:52 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Texture444@aol.com Message-ID: <72c179b5.361e0173@aol.com> Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 08:28:35 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Recordings Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 161 Resent-Message-ID: <"TnFEA3.0.Pe4.z4W7s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1981 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 10/8/98 8:49:16 AM, somebody wrote: >(the 2CD new one recommended by dt - try the 60-min >long orchestral suite "Mother" for starters... then Bowie gets involved) ummm, uhhh, errr: actually, i don't think i *recommended* this recording (nor *any*thing else on my 2 lists); i only informed that i've been listening to it. so: do i think its worth a listen? yes. does it transport me? just barely. (credit the ever implicit constructions-of-meaning inherent in list-talk.) more specifically, dt From ???@??? Fri Oct 09 10:36:57 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id JAA03043; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 09:07:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 09:07:20 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19981009124314.14536.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [207.94.66.242] From: "Matt Rowe" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Childrens' Sequencer Program Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 05:43:14 PDT Resent-Message-ID: <"KpXjv3.0.j76.SIW7s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1982 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >Does anyone know of a sequencer program that works like the old >Electro-Harmonix sequencer--8 sliders (one for each note in the sequence) >that produce an endless loop? check out VAZ. it's a software based synthesizer for PC with a 16 step slider-based sequencer. i'm not sure if there's a mac version. i believe there's a demo version out somewhere on the web. i'll see if i can find an url. btw, the synth sounds on VAZ are great, very rich. >I want to introduce my kids to looping. way to go. i'm planning a similar experiment. i plan to sit my (musically-handicapped) girlfriend in front of my computer with sonic foundry's ACID and a directory full of loops. to me, the program is very intuitive. i want to see what sounds come out with a complete novice. matt The price I pay for free, private email is the following commercial message... ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From ???@??? Fri Oct 09 10:36:58 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id JAA09262; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 09:21:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 09:21:29 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19981009124736.22923.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [207.94.66.242] From: "Matt Rowe" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Childrens' Sequencer Program Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 05:47:36 PDT Resent-Message-ID: <"16gkK1.0.Bb6.YMW7s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1983 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com re: vaz, check out http://www.software-technology.com/info/softech/vaz.htm The price I pay for free, private email is the following commercial message... ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From ???@??? Fri Oct 09 10:37:01 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id JAA15254; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 09:35:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 09:35:41 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: RA336@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 08:56:31 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Re: absolutely no loop content Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 84 Resent-Message-ID: <"N6jJY.0.pV7.0VW7s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1984 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com reading... don delilo ; underworld thomas pynchon : mason & dixon pushkin ; the captains daughter, the snowstorm bulgakov : black snow (unbelievably great even the 2nd time) robert jourdain : music, the brain & ecstacy thomas cahill : how the irish saved civilisation john banville : mephisto julio cortezar : name of a bullfighter, hopscotch From ???@??? Fri Oct 09 23:58:40 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id OAA06910; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 14:58:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 14:58:52 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <361E1226.AEAA235A@nyfac.com> Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 14:39:51 +0100 From: "Trevor D. Bajus, purveyor of the new rock" Reply-To: nyfac2@nyfac.com Organization: Second Foundation X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Y2K and smooching References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"EWZcq1.0.8g6.NVb7s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1997 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Kim Flint wrote: > drink heavily, and try to kiss as many people as possible... That's what > I'm going to do.... > > kim And, kim, how exactly is that different than your usual weekend night? tdb1 -- Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity. From ???@??? Fri Oct 09 10:38:00 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id LAA31217; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 11:22:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 11:22:36 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Reply-To: From: "Javier Miranda V." To: Subject: RE: absolutely no loop content Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 07:59:14 -0700 Message-ID: <000a01bdf395$618625a0$b6c4efd1@electra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: <"oLCel2.0.Ho4._GY7s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1985 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com But Kim, what is the title and author of the books you're reading on him? | -----Original Message----- | From: Kim Flint [mailto:kflint@annihilist.com] | Sent: Thursday 08 October 1998 1:12 AM | To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com | Subject: Re: absolutely no loop content | | | currently reading some old dude named Rene Descartes from the 1600's. | | "I think therefore I Loop!" | "I loop therefore I covet gear!" | "I covet gear therefore I think!" | | I highly recommend Rene for any looper, as he has his own rather profound | approach to looping. Descartes proved himself to be a very bright | guy early | on, even inventing some fundamental mathematical concepts we all were | tortured with as youngsters. And then, convinced of his own mediocrity, he | devoted 9 years of his life to eliminating all of his opinions. Descartes | developed an exemplary approach to thought, whereby he would: never accept | anything to be true which he did not absolutely know to be true; divide | difficult problems into as many simple parts as possible, so that they can | more easily be solved; conduct his thinking in order from the simplest and | easiest to prove through to the more complex; and last, to make | his studies | so complete and general as to not omit anything. | | Then, after this remarkable effort, Rene employs an amazing bit | of circular | logic to prove the existence of God in just three rather convoluted | sentences. Impressive! I heartily encourage you all to create | music in that | fashion. In fact, reminds me of many posts here on Looper's Delight. | | Sadly, although Rene is considered the Father of Modern Philosophy, he did | not live long enough to invent his own looper or compose any influential | loop music, as he certainly would have. The queen of Sweden hired | him to be | her tutor, and demanded that he begin instruction at 5am in cold | Sweden. He | died within months. I'm sure the same would happen to me.... | | kim | | ______________________________________________________________________ | Kim Flint | Looper's Delight | kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html | http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com | | | From ???@??? Fri Oct 09 23:58:46 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id PAA18294; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 15:21:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 15:21:58 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <361E293F.1B61@bway.net> Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 15:18:26 +0000 From: Todd Reynolds Reply-To: liddmuse@bway.net Organization: Lidd Music Partners X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.02Gold (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: wanted: jam-man Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <"5eSQZ2.0.jS3._1c7s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2000 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Request: a Lexicon Jam-man or used echoplex -- Lidd Music Partners ãPaint As You Like, And Die Liz Knowles and Todd Reynolds Happy ã- Henry Miller liddmuse@bway.net 212 475-8559 http://www.bway.net/~liddmuse From ???@??? Fri Oct 09 10:38:04 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id LAA10535; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 11:45:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 11:45:09 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: From: "Schreier, Steven (Steven)" To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Recordings Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 09:29:25 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"yiVjN3.0.XM.OkY7s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1986 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com David, I enjoyed the list of reading (or mind feeding) material. I, too, am an avid explorer in the literary realm. I just stumbled across a CD "The Space Between Us" - Craig Armstrong. While perusing the bins you should check this work out. Excellent string arrangements with a few little beat drones sprinkled in. I believe Craig used to be a partner or silent partner with the big Massive Attack. Oh, I also discovered his name on the latest Madonna/Orbit collaberation-"Ray of Light" with string work. I think you might enjoy. It's worth the chance... back to the sonic realm Nam myoho renge kyo Steven J. Schreier Lucent Technologies Software Implementation Team San Diego, Ca. Voice:ÊÊÊ 619.874.1753 Fax:ÊÊÊÊÊÊ 619.874.1701 E-mail:Ê schreier@lucent.com Ê From ???@??? Fri Oct 09 10:38:12 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id MAA02750; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 12:37:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 12:37:38 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <53589a8a.361e3766@aol.com> Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 12:18:46 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: absolutely no loop content Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 170 Resent-Message-ID: <"eMk0o2.0.yA6.aSZ7s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1987 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 10/9/98 1:24:42 PM Mid-Atlantic Standard Time, gnominus@earthling.net writes: << But Kim, what is the title and author of the books you're reading on him? >> once again kim puts descartes infront of dehorse.........michael From ???@??? Fri Oct 09 10:38:09 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id MAA03132; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 12:38:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 12:38:44 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Reply-To: From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: Subject: Readings Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 09:24:16 -0700 Message-ID: <000101bdf3a1$42fe7ae0$1722dacf@stepheng> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <"kDZ8L1.0.8p6.5XZ7s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1988 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I thought I'd chip in, and tell what I'm reading right now - and a fine distraction from bus-riding it is! "Songs of Earth & Power" by Greg Bear is something a friend lent me, and despite my internal comparisons to "The Talisman", a Stephen King/Peter Straub collaboration, it would seem to be much more substantial. And a great read. One premise involves the faerie folk not liking music, especially when it comes from humans, because they perceive all music as being potential magic, depending on its construction; thus, in our hands it's like we're playing with explosives, though we don't realize it. And, as a result, it's banned in their Other World... :) Stephen GoodmanÊ -Ê It's... The Loop Of The Week! EarthLight StudiosÊ -Ê http://www.earthlight.net/Studios From ???@??? Thu Oct 08 10:28:31 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id MAA11979; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 12:57:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 12:57:22 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199810081638.MAA25114@shell.monmouth.com> Reply-To: From: "andre" To: Subject: Cakewalk etc, Hardware req.?? Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 12:38:31 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"RJ-o63.0.pX.SeE7s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1953 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com hey folks... I see that Electronic musician etc has a special issue - bundled with a CD of demo software, Cakewalk is one of 'em. another is 'guitar studio' I'd like to try this stuff out- i have a pentium PC - what kind of hardware do i need to add to use virtual studio stuff like this??? i'd like to start recording on this crazy machine -i know this is dumb question to most - but i figured - hey - quick and lazy gets the fast accurate answers.. thanks. oh - and - any Zappa fans out there in MA, NY, PA, NJ, my FZ tribute band will be throwing down some shows, most weekends this month -culminating with the knitting factory on Halloween, which, for those far afield, will be available live via realaudio; check their eponymous site, or ours>> http://www.jswd.net/projectobject peace - andre' east From ???@??? Fri Oct 09 10:38:14 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id NAA16062; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 13:05:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 13:05:20 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19981009165436.29876.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [204.74.108.99] From: "Joseph Buck" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Childrens' Looping Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 09:54:35 PDT Resent-Message-ID: <"WFi051.0.ST2.A-Z7s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1989 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi All- Actually I have given my goddaughter a little looping thingie that playskool has made. It looks kinda like a jukebox and has about 16 rhythms, sound effects, and instrument parts. How it works is that the bambina can assign any of these voices to any of 6 spaces and the piece loops. You can change sections on the fly as well. Really fun to show her how things can build or change... selam, Buck >In a message dated 10/9/98 6:23:20 AM, Mark@asisoftware.com writes: > >>Does anyone know of a sequencer program that works like the old >>Electro-Harmonix sequencer--8 sliders (one for each note in the sequence) >>that produce an endless loop? >>I want to introduce my kids to looping. > >i'm curious as to why you've focussed upon introducing yer kids to looping via >a 'sequencer', as opposed to having them looping actual audio (via, ya know: >EDP, jamman, boomerang, etc.....) ? >looping airborne sounds can be such a vivid, visceral experience, i think: >what with a microphone, harmonica, hand-drum, turntable, bass, guitar and/or >*whatever* as kiddly-controlled input. >anyway, >in my experience: >botha my boys cut their loop-teeth on a PCM42/digitech thingie/jamman, etc.; >many years later, botha them continue to loop, as a source for their own >enjoyment & creativity. >best, >dt > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From ???@??? Fri Oct 09 10:38:19 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id NAA26993; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 13:27:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 13:27:41 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19981009170740.26230.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [204.74.108.99] From: "Joseph Buck" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Torn's books/mine Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 10:07:40 PDT Resent-Message-ID: <"FkffA.0.A54.MAa7s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1991 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Yo- >black snow: mikhail bulgakov Bulgakov is the shit. I'm reading: a mess o' books on Japanese architechture by Bognar Folk Song Style and Culture by Alan Lomax some Laszlo Maholy-Nagy Sayings of the Desert Fathers (Orthodox Christian Monastics from the early A.D.'s) The Spiritual Life and How to Be Attuned to It by St. Theophan the Recluse selam, Buck ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From ???@??? Fri Oct 09 10:38:20 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id NAA25205; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 13:24:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 13:24:40 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 10:13:22 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel) Subject: Re: Childrens' Sequencer Program Resent-Message-ID: <"zM-1U3.0.Kw3.79a7s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1990 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >Does anyone know of a sequencer program that works like the old >Electro-Harmonix sequencer--8 sliders (one for each note in the sequence) >that produce an endless loop? > >I want to introduce my kids to looping. > There's a shareware windows program called SEQ303 avaolable from Metaphoric Software, programmed by Jim Johnson. Being a mac snob, I haven't used it, but it looks very cool, and Jim really knows his analog stuff. He also makes an equally cool looking multichannel arpeggiator called ARPX8. For info: http://www.technotoys.com/seq303.htm Also, there are a few hardware analog-style sequencers out there, though the cost may be a bit more than you'd like. I have a Doepfer MAQ16/3, which offers 3 rows of 16 knobs, both cv and MIDI outputs and a very flexible MIDI implementation. ________________________________________________________ Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org : www.peak.org/~improv/ "...there will come a day when you won't have to use gasoline. You'd simply take a cassette and put it in your car, let it run. You'd have to have the proper type of music. Like you take two sticks, put 'em together, make fire. You take some notes and rub 'em together - dum, dum, dum, dum - fire, cosmic fire." -Sun Ra ________________________________________________________ From ???@??? Fri Oct 09 23:58:15 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id NAA25061; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 13:24:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 13:24:25 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <004901bdf36c$77e732e0$c5b854ce@mark.asisoftware.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 10:14:57 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, Mark@asisoftware.com From: Stuart Fox Subject: Re: Childrens' Sequencer Program Resent-Message-ID: <"Ue_DH.0.Jt4.7Ha7s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1992 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 3:06 AM -0700 10/9/98, Mark Kata wrote: >Does anyone know of a sequencer program that works like the old >Electro-Harmonix sequencer--8 sliders (one for each note in the sequence) >that produce an endless loop? > >I want to introduce my kids to looping. Try Mort Subotnick's "Making Music" CD ROM. You can do loops, and much more. It is an educational program about composing for kids 5 and older. You can get it for Mac or Windoze. Check it out at: http://www4.viaweb.com/voyagerco/ltrmakinh.html Stuart Fox CalArts Guitar sgfox@music.calarts.edu From ???@??? Fri Oct 09 23:58:25 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id NAA09125; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 13:59:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 13:59:56 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 02:40:55 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <199810091740.CAA28473@pop2.osk.3web.ne.jp> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: cctakuya@osk2.3web.ne.jp (=?ISO-2022-JP?B?GyRCOzNLXEJuTG8bKEI=?=) X-Sender: cctakuya@pop2.osk2.3web.ne.jp Subject: NICE TO MEET YOU! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-2022-jp X-Mailer: Eudora-J(1.3.8.5-J13) Resent-Message-ID: <"dtW_63.0.Mr7.Lfa7s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1993 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi, all of the loopers! Nice to meet you. My name is Takuya "shiro" Yamamoto. I am Japanese,live in Osaka JAPAN. I am 22 yaers old. Please call me "Shiro"! This is most popular name of dogs in JAPAN! I have my own web. You can listen my songs by real audio files on my web. My web URL is http://www.osk.3web.ne.jp/~cctakuya Please, listen it! I have joined this mailing list yesterday(10/8/1998). I am not good at English,but I will write message ono this mailing list for my life...! I am Sunao Inami's friend. I joined LIVE,"Looper's Delight J " at Barton Hall in japan,9/22/1998. Live report of this live; http://www.cavestudio.com/LD_J/index.html Plaese show it too.. Thanks! Take care! iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii Takuya "Shiro" Yamamoto zip 559-0011 #101 5-7-26 Kitakagaya Suminoe Osaka city OSAKA JAPAN TEL +81 6 685 0340 PHS 050 948 0226 URL is http://www.osk.3web.ne.jp/~cctakuya e-mail is cctakuya@osk2.3web.ne.jp Yes! We're living in the time and words! iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii From ???@??? Fri Oct 09 23:58:27 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id OAA14087; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 14:10:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 14:10:48 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19981009175315.3006.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [131.107.3.73] From: "Greg Sundberg" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: PC based looping software? Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 10:53:14 PDT Resent-Message-ID: <"qhdp23.0.XI1.4ra7s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1994 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Is there any software available for the PC that could handle some of the looping features of the EDP/Boomerang/etc.? I'm not talking about something like using cakewalk to record parts and then simply have it loop continuously. I'm interested in more of the interactive or delay style options of feedback, overdub, etc. I'm not worried about performing live in venues with my PC, just at home for fun -- and the PC definitely has the necessary hardware. If it does turn into something that I'll use live, then I'll break down and buy an EDP/'rang/Jamman etc. Suggestions? Thanks, Greg ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From ???@??? Fri Oct 09 23:58:29 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id OAA21530; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 14:25:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 14:25:36 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Jim_M_Shepherd@tivoli.com X-Lotus-FromDomain: TIVOLI SYSTEMS To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-ID: <86256698.006318BA.00@MTA-Austin2.tivoli.com> Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 13:08:28 -0500 Subject: Re: absolutely no loop content Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"XaQF-2.0.043.R3b7s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1995 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com David Talento wrote: > I spent an hour or so reading all the rants on Robert Fripp's Discipline > Global Mobile Web site. The mock interview it pure frippp in humor and a > bit close to the bone. > Don't have the URL handy but altavista popped it up first try... It's http://www.discipline.co.uk/news/news.htm And oh my, is it fun. Hi all, I'm new to the list, bought a EDP unit a few months back and I am having a blast trying to figger the thing out. My current reading list is: for fun(?!): Brothers Karamazov - Fedor Dostoevsky Blessed Paisius Velichkovsky; The Man Behind the Philokalia - Schema-monk Metrophanes; Fr Seraphim Rose, trans. St. Silouan the Athonite - Archmandite Sophrony Diary of a Russan Priest - Fr. Alexander Elchaninov Unseen Warfare - Lorenzo Scupoli; St. Theophan the Recluse. My Life in Christ - St. John of Kronstadt On the lighter side: Dark Genesis : The Birth of the Psi Corps - J. Gregory Keyes If you like Babylon5, you've got to read this one, it's a double wham. For work: Java Threads - Oaks & Wong JFC Programming - Weiner & Asbury not recommended, not very much detail, already out of date, of course. UML Distilled - Fowler & Scott Regards, Jim From ???@??? Fri Oct 09 23:58:32 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id OAA32710; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 14:46:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 14:46:26 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 11:36:43 -0700 To: altruist@earthlink.net From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel) Subject: Re: Recordings Cc: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Resent-Message-ID: <"zyrRZ3.0.Ol5.zNb7s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1996 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 8:13 PM 10/8/98, Andre LaFosse wrote: >Dave Trenkel wrote: >> >> Form & Function is out, at least in the states, and it's really good. I >> like it quite a bit more than Modus, F&F seems to be focussed more on pure >> drum textures. Listening to Photek is, for me at least, like eavesdropping >> on the internal conversations of an obsessive/compulsive. > >I heard some of the older bits on F+F and liked it, but the newer stuff, >like just about all the jungle I've heard come out of Britain over the >last year or so, is just horrendously discouraging to me. It seems like >there's some sort of contest in Britain as to who can come up with the >stiffest, simplest, most un-funky beats. The complexity and >unpredictable nature of the rhythms that made it such an unusual style a >few year ago seems to have been more or less discarded in favor of >dishing out a stiff drum-machine emulation of an eight-note rock beat >(or, at best, "Funky Drummer" played at 160 BPM, a la Roni Size). > I dunno, I kind of like the way d 'n b has progressed into this highly abstract, utterly non-danceable music, given its roots in the dance scene and the fact that it's earliest raw materials were some of the funkiest drum grooves ever. I hear Photek as coming from a similar place as the LTJ Bukem stuff, his Logical Progression compilation was one of the first d 'n b things that I really connected with. I like the way things are very active on the micro-level while on the large scale, there's a certain static minimalism to the music. Of course, not everything from the scene is brilliant, or even good, but I still hear things I like. >Anybody have any reasons why this is the case? Or compelling arguments >to the contrary? About the only new (post-'96) jungle I've heard that >consistently excites me as much as the older stuff is LA-based DJ Hive >and some bits on the new DJ Spooky album; I wonder if the US is due to >start picking up the slack in the near future... > I don't know if it'd be considered true d 'n b, to be honest I don't have a lot of patience with the endless fractal sub-categorization of the electronic music scene, but Amon Tobin's Permutations is pretty fantastic. He's applying the d 'n b beat chopping approach to old jazz drum solos (a drummer friend of mine says he hears Art Blakey and Max Roach on this disc), Brazilian music, '50's exotica, and others. Also, Tobin seems to have a real flair for composing interesting pieces, I've followed his stuff for a few years, both under his name and as Cujo, and have liked everything I've heard. ________________________________________________________ Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org : www.peak.org/~improv/ "...there will come a day when you won't have to use gasoline. You'd simply take a cassette and put it in your car, let it run. You'd have to have the proper type of music. Like you take two sticks, put 'em together, make fire. You take some notes and rub 'em together - dum, dum, dum, dum - fire, cosmic fire." -Sun Ra ________________________________________________________ From ???@??? Fri Oct 09 23:58:36 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id OAA06160; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 14:57:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 14:57:05 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19981009184305.27118.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [207.56.96.18] From: "Devious D_MasterMixer" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Y2K Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 11:43:05 PDT Resent-Message-ID: <"u2X_l3.0.yG7.rZb7s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1998 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >From loopers-delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Oct 8 06:34:36 1998 >Received: (from kflint@localhost) > by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) > id JAA17029; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 09:32:21 -0400 >Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 09:32:21 -0400 >X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f >Mime-Version: 1.0 >Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 10:16:02 +0400 >Message-ID: <00019D7B.4007@poyry.com.br> >From: miguel.barella@poyry.com.br (MAT) >Subject: Y2K >To: "'Loopers Delight'" >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >Content-Description: cc:Mail note part >Resent-Message-ID: <"KbnI-3.0.Tv2.1nB7s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> >Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1945 >X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Precedence: list >Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > >Does anybody know if loop machines, delays, reverbs etc. will be affected by the >Y2K bug? > >Miguel > > Oh, my...... Unless the device has a dedicated imbedded chip that checks a system date, there is no need to worry. Currently I am a Programmer working at a client site, and my only task is to make Systems Y2K complient......so I have some idea what I am talking about. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From ???@??? Tue Oct 13 11:57:54 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id KAA24567; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 10:35:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 10:35:11 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Bailey, Jim" To: "'looppost'" Subject: I got myself some KILLER LOOPS!! Date: Fri, 09 Oct 98 14:46:00 EDT Message-ID: <362360ED@199.71.32.33> Encoding: 25 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Resent-Message-ID: <"QaWN33.0.cA5.25s8s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2082 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Greetings Kim and all others, Well, it's happened. I finally found some KILLER LOOPS again. Those who have been on this list long enough might remember that quite some time ago I mentioned seeing some boxes with the aforementioned name on them in an optician's shop. Since the only time I was near there was about 02:30, I could never find out what they were. By the time I managed to get there in the day, they didn't have any. At last the mystery has been solved! Another store has them on sale (an auto-parts, etc. store of all places), so I bought a pair. It turns out they are, as I'd surmised originally, sunglasses. Made in Italy, and distributed here by Ray-Ban, the suggested price is $150 Cdn., but they are being sold for $40!! Most of them are that oval, bug-eye style that seems to be all the rage, in all sorts of colours, but I managed to find some more reasonable black square ones (they fit in a pocket easier). I have had the box scanned here at work, and will send it on, Kim, if you have access to a Mac ('cuz that's what it was scanned on to). Perhaps there could be a space for "sightings" as on the Elephant Talk site. Best wishes to all (and beware of those KILLER LOOPS!!!!) Jim Bailey From ???@??? Fri Oct 09 23:58:42 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id PAA11124; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 15:08:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 15:08:19 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 14:52:04 -0400 (EDT) From: Adam Levin X-Sender: alevin@ari.ari.net Reply-To: Adam Levin To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: absolutely no loop content In-Reply-To: <88cd8486.361c43c7@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"OMNbM1.0.ri.zib7s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1999 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com On Thu, 8 Oct 1998 Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: > now we all know what we are listening to......what are we reading? My work situation in recent months has left me spending almost all of my time reading off of a picture tube rather than wood pulp, so when I get a chance to read woody words, it's only a chapter or so at a time. Hence for the last several weeks I've been reading the new one by John Irving _Widow for a Year_. Prior to that I was delving into Gene Wolfe's early works. Wolfe is one of the few SF writers whose work I'd consider real "literature" (not to mention that he was a member of the engineering team that invented the process for making those uniform Pringles potato chips - oh damn, I mentioned it). -Adam --- "...if one strives at hearing for the sake of constant virtue, out of seeking liberation from cyclic existence, gradually one becomes a Hearer." - Chandrakirti T h e D a r k A e t h e r P r o j e c t http://www.darkaether.net/ From ???@??? Fri Oct 09 23:58:50 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id PAA23695; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 15:33:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 15:33:56 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Dpcoffin@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 15:23:33 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Re: Childrens' Sequencer Program Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 2.7 for Mac sub 3 Resent-Message-ID: <"PiA3B2.0.Aa4.7Ac7s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2001 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com If you've got a Mac, check out M from Cycling74 (i think that's the outfit...it's David Ziccarelli, of MAx fame...) also Xx by Eric Wenger. Both of these are MIDI sequencers, but are optimixed for quick, visual experimentation with looping content...and they use Quicktime, and they both have free demos dpc From ???@??? Fri Oct 09 23:58:57 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id PAA03224; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 15:59:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 15:59:45 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 15:33:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Adam Levin X-Sender: alevin@ari.ari.net To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Subject: Gettin' loopy 2nite in Balmer Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"QLdwI2.0.7l5.8Kc7s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2002 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Just a reminder that things are gonna get loopy tonight at Cafe Tattoo in Baltimore MD. Performers are Tony Geballe (Robert Fripp & the League of Crafty Guitarists/Trey Gunn Band/Toyah/solo album on DGM) on solo 12 string, Fingerpaint doing their loopy electric guitar synth thang and my band The Dark Aether Project w/guest vocalist Ray Weston of echolyn fame. Between myself and Patrick & Steev of Fingerpaint, I think we'll have at least a bare minimum of half a dozen looping devices on hand. Showtime is 9pm. For directions and more info visit the URL below. -Adam --- "...if one strives at hearing for the sake of constant virtue, out of seeking liberation from cyclic existence, gradually one becomes a Hearer." - Chandrakirti T h e D a r k A e t h e r P r o j e c t http://www.darkaether.net/ From ???@??? Tue Oct 13 11:58:01 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id KAA25982; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 10:43:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 10:43:09 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Bailey, Jim" To: "'Collins'" , "'looppost'" Subject: RE: Information on contact microphones Date: Fri, 09 Oct 98 15:34:00 EDT Message-ID: <362361A4@199.71.32.33> Encoding: 29 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Resent-Message-ID: <"nwPYM3.0.sF5.u7s8s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2083 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Jeff Collins wrote: >To all those who are wanting to record sounds that the usual mics won't be >able to pick up, i have been thinking about contact microphones since i >discovered John Cage. They are an amazing way to get sounds never heard >before out of anything...even rocks. If you too are interested in making >yourself a couple of contact mics, you can visit... >http://www.harmonycentral.com/Guitar/piezo-pickups.txt >There are a ton of posts on this subject that can help you out tremendously. Or, if you have an electronics surplus store nearby (as I do), they may have piezo-electric disks for use as speakers in some devices - I believe that's what goes "beep" in some computers. If they're not attached already, wires can be soldered on rather easily. They can then be used like a dynamic mic (caveat: they will also create feedback just the same, so beware!). I have known about them for some time, and used them on rare occasions, but got more heavily involved after joining a local outfit called the Urban Refuse Group who, as the name implies, perform on found objects usually not intended as instruments. We don't do any fancy looping, just FX pedals, but I plan on trying stuff at home with my old tape set-up. Hope this can help a few of you fellow loopers. Sincerely, Jim Bailey From ???@??? Fri Oct 09 23:59:06 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id RAA08042; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 17:19:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 17:19:53 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19981009210430.22274.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [204.74.108.99] From: "Joseph Buck" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Jim's no loop content Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 14:04:30 PDT Resent-Message-ID: <"2Yjpf3.0.Y3.Ned7s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2003 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Jim- Well welcome. I must say that it is pretty wild seeing your reading list, as it is stuff that I have been reading over the past year or so. Are you Orthodox or a russophile? selam, Buck >My current reading list is: > >for fun(?!): >Brothers Karamazov - Fedor Dostoevsky > >Blessed Paisius Velichkovsky; The Man Behind the Philokalia - Schema-monk >Metrophanes; Fr Seraphim Rose, trans. > >St. Silouan the Athonite - Archmandite Sophrony > >Diary of a Russan Priest - Fr. Alexander Elchaninov > >Unseen Warfare - Lorenzo Scupoli; St. Theophan the Recluse. > >My Life in Christ - St. John of Kronstadt > > >On the lighter side: > >Dark Genesis : The Birth of the Psi Corps - J. Gregory Keyes >If you like Babylon5, you've got to read this one, it's a double wham. > > >For work: >Java Threads - Oaks & Wong > >JFC Programming - Weiner & Asbury > not recommended, not very much detail, already out of date, of course. > >UML Distilled - Fowler & Scott > > >Regards, > >Jim > > > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From ???@??? Fri Oct 09 23:59:08 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id RAA14997; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 17:33:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 17:33:53 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <361E7EE3.3F18A36B@bellsouth.net> Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 17:23:47 -0400 From: Jeff Duke X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: PC based looping software? References: <19981009175315.3006.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"mCB_i1.0.932.dud7s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2004 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I have been enjoying Acid by Sonic Foundry; http://www.sfoundry.com/ I have not used it much yet for looping my music but what it can do is very cool. check it out, Jeff Duke Greg Sundberg wrote: > Is there any software available for the PC that could handle some of the > looping features of the EDP/Boomerang/etc.? I'm not talking about > something like using cakewalk to record parts and then simply have it > loop continuously. I'm interested in more of the interactive or delay > style options of feedback, overdub, etc. I'm not worried about > performing live in venues with my PC, just at home for fun -- and the PC > definitely has the necessary hardware. If it does turn into something > that I'll use live, then I'll break down and buy an EDP/'rang/Jamman > etc. > > Suggestions? > > Thanks, > Greg > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From ???@??? Fri Oct 09 23:59:09 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id RAA25166; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 17:56:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 17:56:45 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <361E8467.65A82A71@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 14:47:23 -0700 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Childrens' Sequencer Program References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"zueD82.0.y34.i8e7s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2005 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com My daughter loves AudioRom's Interactive Music Shift Control CD Rom; it consists of numerous fairly interesting graphical audio "maps" with various tools that allow for real-time looping. Graphically, it is quite sophisticated, and the audio borders on quite good (or, quite grating in the hands of a maniacal five-year-old). find it at: http://www.audiorom.com/ Cheers, Lance G. From ???@??? Fri Oct 09 23:59:27 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id TAA29214; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 19:20:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 19:20:23 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <361E99C2.713E@pacific.net.sg> Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 07:18:26 +0800 From: "randolf t. arriola" Reply-To: randolf@pacific.net.sg Organization: tuscan moodscape X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0C-PIOCT96 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: subscribe to mailing list Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"iJo4G1.0.xA6.yWf7s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2007 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi there please include me in your mailing list Cheers, Randolf From ???@??? Fri Oct 09 23:59:29 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id TAA02200; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 19:33:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 19:33:10 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <2148EC143F29D1118BE000805FC13CD067ECA1@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Recordings Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 18:25:55 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Resent-Message-ID: <"deddH.0.xb7.lif7s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2008 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > y'know, I've heard a lot of television commercials with really cool > backing > music in the past couple of years. That's where I've heard the best drum > n' > bass lately. . . . Was the jingle industry quitely disappeared and > replace by avant-garde composers? In any case, seems like a fine place for > some wild loops. > > I've noticed this too . . . my take on it is a little less benign I guess. To me, it seems like just another instance of a cool art form being coopted for the sake of commerce - - thereby stripping it of any sense of danger or threat, and totally subverting it away from the youth culture that created it . . . turning it into yet another homogenized bit of corporate culture. IMHO. Color me pessimstic . . . From ???@??? Fri Oct 09 23:59:33 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id UAA14011; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 20:01:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 20:01:03 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: mchriste@panther.middlebury.edu Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 19:51:47 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: murkie Subject: Re: absolutely no loop content Resent-Message-ID: <"6hHhl2.0.Rg2.I8g7s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2009 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >>> now we all know what we are listening to......what are we reading? what are these "book" thingy's eveybody's talking about? will they sync to midi clock? just finnished Slaughterhouse 5 (beter late than never). other than that my reading has been mostly limmited to: the manual for the Boss SP-202 the liner notes to the Genesis box and "What to Expect the Toddler Years" (ah, life with a two year-old!) in my "to read soon" pile: On the Road a handfull of Phillip K. Dick paperbacks and a stack of really old cookbooks i scored at a used book sale. trivial enough? m M a r k C h r i s t e n s e n Cramped Quarters Studio / Jasperpottamus Music i n t e r n e t : murkie@middlebury.edu http://www.middlebury.edu/~mchriste/murkie.html From ???@??? Fri Oct 09 23:59:26 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id TAA25463; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 19:12:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 19:12:23 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Sender: r_t_cummings@csi.com Message-ID: <361EA1E9.5B5CDC3B@csi.com> Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 00:53:13 +0100 From: Cummings X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [de] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Childrens' Looping References: <19981009165436.29876.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"6eJeg2.0.dC4.HFf7s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2006 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com What?!? You mean to say didn't keep it for, uh, personal use? Or did you try it out extensively before indulging in the wondrous act of giving? :-) Rob Joseph Buck schrieb: > > Hi All- > > Actually I have given my goddaughter a little looping thingie that > playskool has made. > It looks kinda like a jukebox and has about 16 rhythms, sound effects, > and instrument parts. > How it works is that the bambina can assign any of these voices to any > of 6 spaces and the piece loops. You can change sections on the fly as > well. > Really fun to show her how things can build or change... > > selam, > > Buck > > >In a message dated 10/9/98 6:23:20 AM, Mark@asisoftware.com writes: > > > >>Does anyone know of a sequencer program that works like the old > >>Electro-Harmonix sequencer--8 sliders (one for each note in the > sequence) > >>that produce an endless loop? > >>I want to introduce my kids to looping. > > > >i'm curious as to why you've focussed upon introducing yer kids to > looping via > >a 'sequencer', as opposed to having them looping actual audio (via, ya > know: > >EDP, jamman, boomerang, etc.....) ? > >looping airborne sounds can be such a vivid, visceral experience, i > think: > >what with a microphone, harmonica, hand-drum, turntable, bass, guitar > and/or > >*whatever* as kiddly-controlled input. > >anyway, > >in my experience: > >botha my boys cut their loop-teeth on a PCM42/digitech thingie/jamman, > etc.; > >many years later, botha them continue to loop, as a source for their > own > >enjoyment & creativity. > >best, > >dt > > > > > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From ???@??? Fri Oct 09 23:59:34 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id UAA22346; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 20:20:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 20:20:16 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19981010001359.21632.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [204.74.108.99] From: "Joseph Buck" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Childrens' Looping Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 17:13:59 PDT Resent-Message-ID: <"xdskh2.0.Bh4.1Qg7s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2010 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Rob- Well I did. Playskool's packaging had an exposed section and the batteries came in it already so.... selam, Buck >What?!? You mean to say didn't keep it for, uh, personal use? Or did you >try it out extensively before indulging in the wondrous act of giving? >:-) > >Rob > > >Joseph Buck schrieb: >> >> Hi All- >> >> Actually I have given my goddaughter a little looping thingie that >> playskool has made. >> It looks kinda like a jukebox and has about 16 rhythms, sound effects, >> and instrument parts. >> How it works is that the bambina can assign any of these voices to any >> of 6 spaces and the piece loops. You can change sections on the fly as >> well. >> Really fun to show her how things can build or change... >> >> selam, >> >> Buck >> >> >In a message dated 10/9/98 6:23:20 AM, Mark@asisoftware.com writes: >> > >> >>Does anyone know of a sequencer program that works like the old >> >>Electro-Harmonix sequencer--8 sliders (one for each note in the >> sequence) >> >>that produce an endless loop? >> >>I want to introduce my kids to looping. >> > >> >i'm curious as to why you've focussed upon introducing yer kids to >> looping via >> >a 'sequencer', as opposed to having them looping actual audio (via, ya >> know: >> >EDP, jamman, boomerang, etc.....) ? >> >looping airborne sounds can be such a vivid, visceral experience, i >> think: >> >what with a microphone, harmonica, hand-drum, turntable, bass, guitar >> and/or >> >*whatever* as kiddly-controlled input. >> >anyway, >> >in my experience: >> >botha my boys cut their loop-teeth on a PCM42/digitech thingie/jamman, >> etc.; >> >many years later, botha them continue to loop, as a source for their >> own >> >enjoyment & creativity. >> >best, >> >dt >> > >> > >> >> ______________________________________________________ >> Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From ???@??? Fri Oct 09 23:59:39 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id UAA31273; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 20:42:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 20:42:02 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <2148EC143F29D1118BE000805FC13CD067ECA3@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: books into music Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 19:35:13 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Resent-Message-ID: <"R2woo.0.cs6.pjg7s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2011 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Howdy Y'All, So I think people are reading some interesting stuff . . . (actually researched some for future reading) My question is this: Does it/How does it effect what you do musically? For instance, a lot of my music writing is influenced by literature/poetry or painting. I just went through a mental countdown and 21 of the 33 tunes across three CDs are in these two categories, eight were in reaction to music/concepts by other players/composers, four are based on "real life experiences." I tend to either be inspired by the feel of, or am intrigued by a phrase or an idea from, a certain work. For instance, currently just finished a piece based on my memories of the "feeling" of three novels by Henry Miller. More in the works based on work by other authors and some on film makers and painters . . . stig (PS: Book last read four-volume set of "A Thousand Nights and One Nights" ["The Arabian Nights"]; current reading "London Bridge" Louis-Ferdinand Celine; next up "A Short History of Byzantium," "Collected Tales of Nikolai Gogol," "History of the Arab People.") From ???@??? Fri Oct 09 23:59:42 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id VAA20396; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 21:31:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 21:31:09 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199810100124.SAA28383@stork.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.0c (197) Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 18:24:36 -0700 Subject: Lexicon MPX 2 question From: "Matt and Kristy McCabe" To: "Looper's Delight" Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"_CNhu2.0.r24.ZRh7s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2012 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I apologize if this has already been covered (yes, I searched the archives) but...I must ask. Does anyone have any experience with the MPX 2? Especially the "JamMan" mode? Thanks! Matt __________________________________ Matthew F. McCabe Finley Sound Design http://www.finleysound.com From ???@??? Fri Oct 09 23:59:56 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id XAA03478; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 23:48:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 23:48:37 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 12:41:15 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <199810100341.MAA24741@pop2.osk.3web.ne.jp> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: cctakuya@osk2.3web.ne.jp (Takuya "Shiro" Yamamoto) X-Sender: cctakuya@pop2.osk2.3web.ne.jp Subject: Re: Re: Childrens' Sequencer Program MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-2022-jp X-Mailer: Eudora-J(1.3.8.5-J13) Resent-Message-ID: <"gHCBq2.0.8x7.vRj7s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2013 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 3:23 PM 98.10.9 -0400, Dpcoffin@aol.com wrote: >If you've got a Mac, check out M from Cycling74 (i think that's the >outfit...it's David Ziccarelli, of MAx fame...) also Xx by Eric Wenger. Both >of these are MIDI sequencers, but are optimixed for quick, visual >experimentation with looping content...and they use Quicktime, and they both >have free demos >dpc I have M too. It can make music like painting picture. So cool looping software. regards. iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii Takuya "Shiro" Yamamoto zip 559-0011 #101 5-7-26 Kitakagaya Suminoe Osaka city OSAKA JAPAN TEL +81 6 685 0340 PHS 050 948 0226 URL is http://www.osk.3web.ne.jp/~cctakuya e-mail is cctakuya@osk2.3web.ne.jp Yes! We're living in the time and words! iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii From ???@??? Sat Oct 10 00:00:05 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id AAA12072; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 00:08:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 00:08:24 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <2.2.32.19981010040432.00e0e238@pop.chromatic.com> X-Sender: kflint@pop.chromatic.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 21:04:32 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: PC based looping software? Resent-Message-ID: <"1etIH.0.qI2.nmj7s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2014 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com But Acid doesn't really meet his request for a more interactive/real-time/delay style of looping with things like overdub and feedback. That usually implies the ability to be adding your own audio to the loops in real time, and controlling that accurately, and nothing on PC's really handles that well, or at all. The reason lies in the typical general purpose OS's used, where audio I/O and user control latencies can be really long. The time between when audio goes into the box and when it can come out can be anywhere from 20ms to as much as 500ms, far worse than any stand-alone box. Making a basic PC do any kind of real-time processing of real world signals is very problematic for this reason. PC's are ok for things like hard disk recording, sequencing and sound editing because there, the application has many opportunities to compensate for all the latency. Stand-alone devices like boomerang/echoplex/jamman/etc are specially designed for low latencies and tight user control, which makes them much better suited for more "live" (or real-time) loop creation/manipulation. kim At 05:23 PM 10/9/98 -0400, Jeff Duke wrote: >I have been enjoying Acid by Sonic Foundry; http://www.sfoundry.com/ >I have not used it much yet for looping my music but what it can do is very >cool. >check it out, > >Jeff Duke > >Greg Sundberg wrote: > >> Is there any software available for the PC that could handle some of the >> looping features of the EDP/Boomerang/etc.? I'm not talking about >> something like using cakewalk to record parts and then simply have it >> loop continuously. I'm interested in more of the interactive or delay >> style options of feedback, overdub, etc. I'm not worried about >> performing live in venues with my PC, just at home for fun -- and the PC >> definitely has the necessary hardware. If it does turn into something >> that I'll use live, then I'll break down and buy an EDP/'rang/Jamman >> etc. >> >> Suggestions? >> >> Thanks, >> Greg >> >> ______________________________________________________ >> Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > > > > ________________________________________________________ Kim Flint, MTS 408-752-9284 Chromatic Research kflint@chromatic.com http://www.chromatic.com From ???@??? Sat Oct 10 00:00:07 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id AAA21059; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 00:30:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 00:30:06 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <2.2.32.19981010041914.00dce25c@pop.chromatic.com> X-Sender: kflint@pop.chromatic.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 21:19:14 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Childrens' Sequencer Program Resent-Message-ID: <"wbhp51.0.4o3.Y-j7s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2015 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com another idea might be Rebirth. http://www.propellerheads.se/ I've had quite some fun playing with it. If your kids are into video games, they will probably be into the more techno/house type sounds that Rebirth is good at. The interface is maybe a little more confusing than 8 sliders (emulates the old TB303, TR909, TR808 interfaces/sounds), but I think any gamer could figure it out. kim At 08:19 AM 10/9/98 -0400, you wrote: >My kids like computer games, and I thought a software sequencer that >emulates an old analog sequencer would be easy for them to operate. Also, >it's simpler for them to turn on my computer than my looping rig. And the >computer is much quieter than my amp. > >Mark Kata >Mark@asisoftware.com > >-----Original Message----- >From: Texture444@aol.com >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Date: Friday, October 09, 1998 7:58 AM >Subject: Re: Childrens' Sequencer Program > > >> >>In a message dated 10/9/98 6:23:20 AM, Mark@asisoftware.com writes: >> >>>Does anyone know of a sequencer program that works like the old >>>Electro-Harmonix sequencer--8 sliders (one for each note in the sequence) >>>that produce an endless loop? >>>I want to introduce my kids to looping. >> >>i'm curious as to why you've focussed upon introducing yer kids to looping >via >>a 'sequencer', as opposed to having them looping actual audio (via, ya >know: >>EDP, jamman, boomerang, etc.....) ? >>looping airborne sounds can be such a vivid, visceral experience, i think: >>what with a microphone, harmonica, hand-drum, turntable, bass, guitar >and/or >>*whatever* as kiddly-controlled input. >>anyway, >>in my experience: >>botha my boys cut their loop-teeth on a PCM42/digitech thingie/jamman, >etc.; >>many years later, botha them continue to loop, as a source for their own >>enjoyment & creativity. >>best, >>dt >> > > > ________________________________________________________ Kim Flint, MTS 408-752-9284 Chromatic Research kflint@chromatic.com http://www.chromatic.com From ???@??? Sat Oct 10 00:00:08 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id AAA26135; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 00:42:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 00:42:58 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <361EE3E9.E259B9BE@bellsouth.net> Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 00:34:49 -0400 From: Jeff Duke X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: PC based looping software? References: <2.2.32.19981010040432.00e0e238@pop.chromatic.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"vuL7S.0.LI5.gCk7s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2016 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Like I say Kim, I have never used it that way, however you can record and then draw what you recorded on the fly and move and edit etc. Somebody on this list said that they were using it live with a notbook. btw is there a software version of an echoplex like looper? And what is latency but another delay? Jeff (the mangler) Duke Kim Flint wrote: > But Acid doesn't really meet his request for a more > interactive/real-time/delay style of looping with things like overdub and > feedback. That usually implies the ability to be adding your own audio to > the loops in real time, and controlling that accurately, and nothing on PC's > really handles that well, or at all. The reason lies in the typical general > purpose OS's used, where audio I/O and user control latencies can be really > long. The time between when audio goes into the box and when it can come out > can be anywhere from 20ms to as much as 500ms, far worse than any > stand-alone box. Making a basic PC do any kind of real-time processing of > real world signals is very problematic for this reason. PC's are ok for > things like hard disk recording, sequencing and sound editing because there, > the application has many opportunities to compensate for all the latency. > > Stand-alone devices like boomerang/echoplex/jamman/etc are specially > designed for low latencies and tight user control, which makes them much > better suited for more "live" (or real-time) loop creation/manipulation. > > kim > > At 05:23 PM 10/9/98 -0400, Jeff Duke wrote: > >I have been enjoying Acid by Sonic Foundry; http://www.sfoundry.com/ > >I have not used it much yet for looping my music but what it can do is very > >cool. > >check it out, > > > >Jeff Duke > > > >Greg Sundberg wrote: > > > >> Is there any software available for the PC that could handle some of the > >> looping features of the EDP/Boomerang/etc.? I'm not talking about > >> something like using cakewalk to record parts and then simply have it > >> loop continuously. I'm interested in more of the interactive or delay > >> style options of feedback, overdub, etc. I'm not worried about > >> performing live in venues with my PC, just at home for fun -- and the PC > >> definitely has the necessary hardware. If it does turn into something > >> that I'll use live, then I'll break down and buy an EDP/'rang/Jamman > >> etc. > >> > >> Suggestions? > >> > >> Thanks, > >> Greg > >> > >> ______________________________________________________ > >> Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint, MTS 408-752-9284 > Chromatic Research kflint@chromatic.com > http://www.chromatic.com From ???@??? Sat Oct 10 00:00:13 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id BAA18201; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 01:47:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 01:47:47 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <361EF35C.8BB7F1DA@dial.pipex.com> Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 06:40:44 +0100 From: Gareth Whittock X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com CC: Loopers-Delight-d@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V98 #159 References: <199810091742.NAA00774@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"bolUp2.0.cY3.gAl7s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2017 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com -- > John Tidwell wrote: > > > Is there anybody out there? NO From ???@??? Sat Oct 10 00:00:15 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id BAA20145; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 01:53:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 01:53:09 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <361EF4A0.F9295CC4@dial.pipex.com> Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 06:46:08 +0100 From: Gareth Whittock X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com CC: Loopers-Delight-d@annihilist.com Subject: Re: looping software References: <199810100400.AAA08736@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"WkNrJ2.0.D34.jFl7s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2018 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > Is there any software available for the PC that could handle some of the > looping features of the EDP/Boomerang/etc.? Hi, I've written a very basic delay program for something called csound. It will give you crazy delay times, (I tried 2 minutes - no problem) in stereo if you want it with unity feed back you can loop away to your heart's content. If this sounds too good to b true here are the disadvantages. You need a very good sound card Latency ie when you try to overdub your new track isn't quite where it should be. I use it as something to experiment with while I'm (still) saving for a'plex Gareth From ???@??? Sat Oct 10 00:54:04 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id DAA18269; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 03:05:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 03:05:20 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <6484960f.361f05f0@aol.com> Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 03:00:00 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: wow! Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 170 Resent-Message-ID: <"CdcsJ3.0.sr3.9Nm7s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2019 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com correct me if im wrong, but some really nice posts to the list the past few days. from listening to reading to making music and with the kids ( oh happy day), the sins of the fathers and mothers.......i never thought i would say it, but i (almost) regret going on vacation for the next week, first in years, i already gots the looper delight "jones" goin'. i will try my best to relax for all of us and see ya all in a week.........thanks one and all.......michael From ???@??? Sat Oct 10 15:47:58 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id LAA04205; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 11:06:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 11:06:19 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <000301bdf45c$301cbc00$082ffed0@petegilbert> From: "Pete Gilbert" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: re: listening and reading Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 10:42:19 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Resent-Message-ID: <"Kp3bU.0.Ze6.K8t7s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2020 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Rolling these into one -- listening to: Brave -- Marillion Saililng Down the River, Sane -- Steve Adelson Sticktet Genesis Archive 1967-75 -- Genesis Water on the Moon -- Greg Howard Reading: The Influence of Seapower upon History -- Mahan The Ringworld Throne - Niven Panzer Leader - Guderian In the Crease - Irvin plus too many manuals :-) ============ Pete Gilbert aka pgilbert@ford.com or PeteGilbert@msn.com Visit the Michigan Stick Trio Web Pages at: http://www.michsticktrio.com/ http://www.detroitsound.com/ From ???@??? Sat Oct 10 15:48:09 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id MAA02305; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 12:54:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 12:54:40 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 09:21:57 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel) Subject: RE: Recordings Resent-Message-ID: <"zo91u3.0.vN.nxu7s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2021 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >> y'know, I've heard a lot of television commercials with really cool >> backing >> music in the past couple of years. That's where I've heard the best drum >> n' >> bass lately. . . . Was the jingle industry quitely disappeared and >> replace by avant-garde composers? In any case, seems like a fine place for >> some wild loops. >> >> > I've noticed this too . . . my take on it is a little less benign I >guess. To me, it seems like just another instance of a cool art form being >coopted for the sake of commerce - - thereby stripping it of any sense of >danger or threat, and totally subverting it away from the youth culture that >created it . . . turning it into yet another homogenized bit of corporate >culture. IMHO. > > > Color me pessimstic . . . I dunno, maybe it's that some cool musicians are infiltrating the music industry. Maybe the subversion runs both ways? The Volkswagen add curently running is probably the most ears the Orb have reached thus far. ________________________________________________________ Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org : www.peak.org/~improv/ "...there will come a day when you won't have to use gasoline. You'd simply take a cassette and put it in your car, let it run. You'd have to have the proper type of music. Like you take two sticks, put 'em together, make fire. You take some notes and rub 'em together - dum, dum, dum, dum - fire, cosmic fire." -Sun Ra ________________________________________________________ From ???@??? Sat Oct 10 15:48:14 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id NAA06019; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 13:43:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 13:43:05 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: KILLINFO@aol.com Message-ID: <2f25e269.361f9642@aol.com> Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 13:15:46 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: re: listening and reading Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 59 Resent-Message-ID: <"BMp4M2.0.LC1.Uav7s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2022 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hmmmmm, Lots of lists out there lately. Here's mine... READING (during the past year--I read slow) The Annie Dillard Reader--Annie Dillard (all-time favorite author) Tickets for a Prayer Wheel--Annie Dillard (poetry) Protector--Larry Niven (typical SF) God Came Near--Max Lucado (religious) Einsteins Bridge--John Cramer (really bad SF, but fun) Contact--Carl Sagan (really good SF and much better than the movie) The Book of Guys--Garrison Keillor (silly short stories) The Living--Annie Dillard (a terminally poignant historical novel) Holy the Firm--Annie Dillard (short works of prose that read like poetry) The Devine Comedy--Dante Alighieri (current bedtime reading) Teaching a Stone to Talk--Annie Dillard (currently reading) Recordings (this past week) Nordic Quartet--Surman/Krog/Rypdal/Storaas In a Silent Way--Miles Davis By the Dawn's Early Light--Harold Budd Just So Happens--Gary Peacock & Bill Frisell Cho--Choying Drolma and Steve Tibbetts Screaming Headless Torsos--Screaming Headless Torsos The Mistakes--H.Kaiser/M.Keneally/A.West/Prairie Prince Albino Alligator--Michael Brook After the Rain--McLaughlin/Jones/DeFrancesco The Shutov Assembly--Brian Eno Forever Sharp and Vivid--Massey/Castiglione/Torn (just got it from Tower) From ???@??? Sat Oct 10 15:48:16 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id OAA07715; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 14:00:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 14:00:45 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19981010175014.5490.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [164.67.22.200] From: "Joseph Buck" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: books into music Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 10:50:12 PDT Resent-Message-ID: <"GHARE1.0.ah1.Jxv7s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2023 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Stig- Well that's what it comes down to, doesn't it? For the most part I'm just happy to be able to have the time , energy, discipline to read so I usually go for stuff that will influence me or tie into work I am already doing or working on. Por exemplo, I am going to be doing a series of workshops, music generation, and an installation in Kansas next year, so I have been working on Alan Lomax's Folk Song Style and Culture to help me find an appropriate voice for the spirit of the place. As an aside, my girlfriend who is a doctoral candidate in Byzantine history is interested to see that so many folk on the list are interested in things Byzantine. selam, Buck > Howdy Y'All, > > So I think people are reading some interesting stuff . . . (actually >researched some for future reading) > > > My question is this: Does it/How does it effect what you do >musically? > > > For instance, a lot of my music writing is influenced by >literature/poetry or painting. I just went through a mental countdown and 21 >of the 33 tunes across three CDs are in these two categories, eight were in >reaction to music/concepts by other players/composers, four are based on >"real life experiences." > > I tend to either be inspired by the feel of, or am intrigued by a >phrase or an idea from, a certain work. For instance, currently just >finished a piece based on my memories of the "feeling" of three novels by >Henry Miller. More in the works based on work by other authors and some on >film makers and painters . . . > > > > stig > > > (PS: Book last read four-volume set of "A Thousand Nights and One >Nights" ["The Arabian Nights"]; current reading "London Bridge" >Louis-Ferdinand Celine; next up "A Short History of Byzantium," "Collected >Tales of Nikolai Gogol," "History of the Arab People.") > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From ???@??? Sun Oct 11 13:48:44 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id XAA22277; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 23:05:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 23:05:34 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 21:23:13 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: patrick@his.com (Patrick Smith) Subject: reading & listening of late. Resent-Message-ID: <"qdzoS3.0.zF5.aw18s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2033 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Looper's Delight Comp #1....so glad to finally here this baby. Lots of variety, good muisc. I wonder how the contributors feel about their work now, two years later. Derek Baily......Aida...solo guitar improvs from the master...seems as if I need to hear some solo Derek every few days. Anyone ever seen him live?? Frank Gerace/Dreamchild Gates to the Sea beautiufl voacls with nice guitar loops, bass, and percussion.....Some of these pieces are really haunting. Frank is on the list. Give him a listen. Can- Cannabilism Vol2 Flying Saucer- Attack New Lands Bill Frisell- Quartet Mike Vargas _ Whispering the Turmoil Down beautiful solo piano work fromt htis Boulder, CO based artist. One of my faves so far thisyear. Sort of an update on Satie and Feldman Which lead to... Morton Feldman Chamber Music Jeff Collins Gutar Sonata's As far as reading: I alwyas enjoy flipping through and starting on any page and finding inspiration the following three works. The collected writings of Robert Motherwell Silence By John Cage The Art Spirit by Robert Henri Also any work by Thich Nhat Han Certain dribble by one recently known as Fribble.. Oooppsss that's three plus works...... And of course I reead a lot of postings about machines.Y2k, gigs, independent CD releases....... Hey question everyone Have you purchased an independent release lately? We all need to help one another.. Peace, Patrick Now Available: FingerPaint Primary Colors: BLUE A guitar-synth looping duo of dark illbience and dreamy ambience. Shockwave audio featuring our newest release Primary Colors:Blue www.fingerpaint.net From ???@??? Sun Oct 11 13:49:01 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id FAA18515; Sun, 11 Oct 1998 05:05:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 05:05:31 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Sender: mpeters@csi.com Message-ID: <01BDF505.1BC8ADA0.mpeters@csi.com> From: Michael Peters To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: re: listening and reading Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 22:42:12 +0200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-Mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"hZizX.0.PQ4.vA78s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2038 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com does anyone really read all these posts? ok, let's see ... recent listening: Looper's Delight CD #1 Bruford-Levin: Upper Extremities Brian Eno: Future Light-Lounge Proposal Pluramon: Pick Up Canyon Markus Reuter: Containment Jeff Pearce: Vestiges Nils Petter Molvaer: Khmer Kuno Wagner: Guitar Bizarre Bruce Gilbert: Ab Ovo recent reading: Matt Ruff: Sewer, Gas & Electric Andre Ruschkowski: Elektronische KlŠnge und musikalische Entdeckungen Huang-Po: The Spirit of Zen Jiddu Krishnamurti: On Living and Dying Hunter S. Thompson: Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas * michael peters mpeters@csi.com * "escape veloopity" electronic guitar loop music * http://listen.to/michaelpeters From ???@??? Sun Oct 11 13:48:26 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id TAA03028; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 19:29:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 19:29:37 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <361FE83E.6D5E@engin.umich.edu> Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 19:05:34 -0400 From: Darcy Clark Reply-To: darcyc@engin.umich.edu Organization: University of Michigan X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: software looper? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"iDJRf3.0.NV.ij-7s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2024 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi, I recall someone mentioning a software looper that they were building using MSP (http://www.cycling74.com) and Opcode MAX I think it was. I searched the mailing list archive and cannot find any mention of it. Was I dreaming ?? thanks for any info., Darcy From ???@??? Sun Oct 11 13:48:30 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id UAA07039; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 20:20:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 20:20:10 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19981010235924.12737.rocketmail@web1.rocketmail.com> Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 16:59:24 -0700 (PDT) From: "Rev. Doubt-Goat" Subject: Re: Y2K To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"54A_Y.0.Wb1.8X_7s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2026 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com 93 ---MAT wrote: > > Does anybody know if loop machines, delays, reverbs etc. will be affected by the > Y2K bug? Ya know, I really shouldn't be adding to the noise level on this, but really people, how many loopers *does* it take to screw in a light bulb? Ok. Unless your processor needs to look at the current date and records the year as a 2 digit string, you have NOTHING to worry about. Yeesh. Y2K is definitely a virus like a chain letter. 93 Rev. Doubt-Goat === The Homepages of the Doubt-Goat The Darsan Trio Sekhet Maat Oasis, O.T.O. Lion & Serpent http://www.easystreet.com/~twilliam _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From ???@??? Sun Oct 11 13:48:28 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id UAA06309; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 20:11:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 20:11:27 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19981011010323.007acd10@popd.netcomuk.co.uk> X-Sender: alex_d@popd.netcomuk.co.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 01:03:23 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Alex Subject: stereo to mono Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"g6UaS.0.9L1.PK_7s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2025 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I'm using SoundForge and have found that you can remove the mono elements of a stereo track...... leaving you mostly with stereo effects (inverting one channel and combing to mono) I would like to use this in reverse. Is there any way that you can remove the stereo elements leaving on the mono parts of a track? I've had no luck so far, and suspect it may be physically impossible. From ???@??? Sun Oct 11 13:48:35 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id UAA09072; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 20:40:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 20:40:18 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: aden@pop.ne.mediaone.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.19981011010323.007acd10@popd.netcomuk.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 20:32:03 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Aden Evens Subject: Re: stereo to mono Resent-Message-ID: <"agD-S.0.722.Eo_7s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2027 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >I'm using SoundForge and have found that you can remove the mono elements >of a stereo track...... leaving you mostly with stereo effects (inverting >one channel and combing to mono) > >I would like to use this in reverse. > >Is there any way that you can remove the stereo elements leaving on the >mono parts of a track? I've had no luck so far, and suspect it may be >physically impossible. I don't use SoundForge, but I take it you don't want to just add the two channels. Why not perform the process above to get 'just the stereo stuff', invert that, and then add it to the original? That is, why not subtract the 'stereo only' from the original to get the 'mono only' part? Hey, it's a thought. . . ### ## ### Aden ### ## ### From ???@??? Sun Oct 11 13:48:37 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id VAA14793; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 21:38:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 21:38:55 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19981011023550.007b07e0@popd.netcomuk.co.uk> X-Sender: alex_d@popd.netcomuk.co.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 02:35:50 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Alex Subject: Re: stereo to mono In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.3.32.19981011010323.007acd10@popd.netcomuk.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"iIk1K1.0._T3.fg08s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2029 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hmmm, Exactly what I thought, but I can't for the life in me work out what I'm doing wrong....... I just end up with either the original left or the original right channel. I've been testing it on a wave file I made myself, mono (both channels identical) I have me saying "middle, middle, middle", left channel "left, left, left" and right channel "right, right, right". Is this a proper approximation of a stereo file? Cos if it is I just can't extract the "middle, middle, middle" part by itself. Any further thoughts would be appreciated. Alex At 20:32 10/10/98 -0400, you wrote: >>I'm using SoundForge and have found that you can remove the mono elements >>of a stereo track...... leaving you mostly with stereo effects (inverting >>one channel and combing to mono) >> >>I would like to use this in reverse. >> >>Is there any way that you can remove the stereo elements leaving on the >>mono parts of a track? I've had no luck so far, and suspect it may be >>physically impossible. > >I don't use SoundForge, but I take it you don't want to just add the two >channels. Why not perform the process above to get 'just the stereo stuff', >invert that, and then add it to the original? That is, why not subtract the >'stereo only' from the original to get the 'mono only' part? Hey, it's a >thought. . . > > > ### ## ### > Aden > ### ## ### > > > > From ???@??? Sun Oct 11 13:48:40 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id WAA17984; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 22:15:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 22:15:03 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19981011020123.23616.rocketmail@attach1.rocketmail.com> Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 19:01:23 -0700 (PDT) From: "Rev. Doubt-Goat" Subject: Re: books into music To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"9Zuhc.0.dF4.sB18s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2031 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com 93 ---"Liebig, Steuart A." wrote: > > > Howdy Y'All, > > So I think people are reading some interesting stuff . . . (actually > researched some for future reading) > > > My question is this: Does it/How does it effect what you do > musically? Everything you do in life should affect your playing. What I read becomes part of who I am (so to speak) which then gets reguritated musically. In fact, I would say that to only react musically to notes and rhythms and whatnot will sooner-or-later dry you out completely. Why are lyrics in songs? Why name a song "Requiem for the Victims of Hiroshima" rather than "Serenade for Strings"? Etc. etc. etc. Music is a part of the continuity of existence, so get out there and live! Manuel Barreco said "One cannot be a musician without drinking from the fountain of Culture." (paraphrase) Personally, I read esoteric occult books, Chinese alchemy and comic books! Latest on the stack: Holy Books of Thelema by Aleister Crowley and 300 by Frank Miller. 93 Rev. Doubt-GOat === The Homepages of the Doubt-Goat The Darsan Trio Sekhet Maat Oasis, O.T.O. Lion & Serpent http://www.easystreet.com/~twilliam _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From ???@??? Sun Oct 11 13:48:39 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id VAA15350; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 21:44:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 21:44:51 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: kmistove@mail.eclipse.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <361FE83E.6D5E@engin.umich.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 21:35:33 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Ken Mistove Subject: Re: software looper? Cc: darcyc@engin.umich.edu Resent-Message-ID: <"gJ3c7.0.AZ3.pk08s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2030 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi all, >I recall someone mentioning a software looper that they were building >using MSP (http://www.cycling74.com) and Opcode MAX I think it was. I >searched the mailing list archive and cannot find any mention of it. Was >I dreaming ?? I had mentioned the software looper I'm developing to this list a few times. You can grab it from my web site: http://www.eclipse.net/~kmistove/Procrastination.sit. It's a pretty simple patcher that you can use as is, add to yourself, or wait for me to develop further. Anyone with a PowerMac (and eventually other platforms - I can't find the official announcement, so you'll have to take my word on it) are free to do what you wish with my looper. Have fun! Ken My music and other stuff: http://www.eclipse.net/~kmistove/ King Crimson music (Elephant Tape): http://www.geocities.com/~kenzak/etape/ From ???@??? Sun Oct 11 13:48:41 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id WAA20271; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 22:44:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 22:44:47 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: aden@pop.ne.mediaone.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.19981011023550.007b07e0@popd.netcomuk.co.uk> References: <3.0.3.32.19981011010323.007acd10@popd.netcomuk.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 22:36:28 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Aden Evens Subject: Re: stereo to mono Resent-Message-ID: <"pSwvf3.0.Fm4.wc18s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2032 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Alex, How did you 'make' this wave file? Obviously, the extraction method you are using assumes that the 'mono only' stuff is whatever is relatively in phase between the two channels, while the 'stereo only' material is everything else. Are you sure that your voice saying 'middle' is exactly in phase L/R, or might you have bumped one channel by a couple of milliseconds? Look real close at the waveform. Sometimes, the phase relationship can get screwed up at the very beginning of the recording process to a hard disk, like if the latency is not the same for each channel, or if the file is not recorded as interleaved. ### ## ### Aden ### ## ### From ???@??? Sun Oct 11 13:48:47 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id XAA24784; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 23:30:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 23:30:28 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Reply-To: From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: Subject: RE: stereo to mono Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 20:03:07 -0700 Message-ID: <000901bdf4c3$ac9b4960$9b22dacf@stepheng> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <"Q1Vfd2.0.2q5.vF28s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2035 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Even the downloadable eval copy of Cool Edit (http://www.syntrillium.com) performs this conversion, under the Edit/Convert Sample Type menu. Never had a phase error in several years. ;) The removal/separation of exclusive elements is done through a crossfade mix section. Stephen GoodmanÊ -Ê It's... The Loop Of The Week (Roddy McDowell)! EarthLight StudiosÊ -Ê http://www.earthlight.net/Studios > >I'm using SoundForge and have found that you can remove the > mono elements > >of a stereo track...... leaving you mostly with stereo > effects (inverting > >one channel and combing to mono) > > > >I would like to use this in reverse. > > > >Is there any way that you can remove the stereo elements > leaving on the > >mono parts of a track? I've had no luck so far, and suspect it may be > >physically impossible. > > I don't use SoundForge, but I take it you don't want to just > add the two > channels. Why not perform the process above to get 'just the > stereo stuff', > invert that, and then add it to the original? That is, why > not subtract the > 'stereo only' from the original to get the 'mono only' part? > Hey, it's a > thought. . . > > > ### ## ### > Aden > ### ## ### > > From ???@??? Sun Oct 11 13:48:48 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id XAA25956; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 23:44:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 23:44:07 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Collins" To: Subject: regarding Drerk Bailey Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 23:32:07 -0400 Message-ID: <01bdf4c7$b94332a0$bc1bbfa8@0QHC6SIA> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"p6BKP1.0.n76.fS28s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2036 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I know that fellow looper Andre' Cholmondeley was at the recording of the "Sign of 4" recording at the Knitting Factory. In fact..listen to the end of the third disc and you will hear Andre' yelling "DEREK BAILEY, DEREK BAILEY!! Thank you Pat!". By the way, the Improvisation programs are now on Video. Just do a look for Mr. Bailey and Incus and you should find it. Hope this brings with it a little happiness to those of us into Mr. Bailey. Jeff Collins http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Stadium/1429/STRANGETONES.html -----Original Message----- From: Rik Myers To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Saturday, October 10, 1998 11:14 PM Subject: Re: reading & listening of late. >>Derek Baily......Aida...solo guitar improvs from the master...seems as if I >>need to hear some solo Derek every few days. Anyone ever seen him live?? > >Yes, Derek is really something. I've seen him only once. He played a show >in Eugene for me, my ex, and about a half dozen other folks. Some of them >left before he was done. I, however, was DELIGHTED. If you haven't seen it, >his book, "Improvisation" is terrific. It accompanied a BBC programme that >I never saw, but surely wish to! > >Hasta -> Dr Rico > > From ???@??? Sun Oct 11 13:48:45 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id XAA23501; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 23:16:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 23:16:23 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19981010230842.007a2820@mindspring.com> X-Sender: zanga@mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 23:08:42 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Rik Myers Subject: Re: reading & listening of late. In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"aGiMF3.0.uW5.d428s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2034 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >Derek Baily......Aida...solo guitar improvs from the master...seems as if I >need to hear some solo Derek every few days. Anyone ever seen him live?? Yes, Derek is really something. I've seen him only once. He played a show in Eugene for me, my ex, and about a half dozen other folks. Some of them left before he was done. I, however, was DELIGHTED. If you haven't seen it, his book, "Improvisation" is terrific. It accompanied a BBC programme that I never saw, but surely wish to! Hasta -> Dr Rico From ???@??? Sun Oct 11 13:48:59 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id EAA16191; Sun, 11 Oct 1998 04:26:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 04:26:58 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: M3chakucha@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 04:16:02 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: listening and reading Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Resent-Message-ID: <"Z9g8F3.0.0r3.Rd68s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2037 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Been listening to: The entire discography of Marillion (mostly with Fish), Passion Sources (various Artists) Ozric Tentacles: Jurassic Shift, Strangeitude, Aborealis, and Curious Corn Peter Gabriel: Passion Vangelis: Bladerunner and finally the Scottish Rogues: Hollerin' for Haggis! Been reading: the MCSE Core books by Network Press various poems and stories by E. A. Poe Silent Mobius by Asimiya Kia Battle Angel Alita by Kishiro Yukito the Hound and the Falcon by Judith Tarr And as I write this missive, I am listening to a compilation disk of begainning and ending tracks for various Japanese anime. Have fun all! Lee-ohki. From ???@??? Sun Oct 11 13:49:04 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id GAA23556; Sun, 11 Oct 1998 06:56:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 06:56:48 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <36208CD3.CB141331@dial.pipex.com> Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 11:47:47 +0100 From: Gareth Whittock X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com CC: Loopers-Delight-d@annihilist.com Subject: Re: influence of literature on music References: <199810110707.DAA11340@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"SrEEF2.0.be5.Zp88s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2039 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > > > > My question is this: Does it/How does it effect what you do > >musically? I tend to read the same stuff over and over again gradually building in new authors/styles/influences. 'can't think how this relates to looping though :) From ???@??? Sun Oct 11 13:49:45 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id NAA23617; Sun, 11 Oct 1998 13:00:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 13:00:52 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199810111647.JAA23139@raven.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Subject: Suggestion for new looper feature Date: Sun, 11 Oct 98 11:47:56 +0100 x-sender: tiktok@pop.a001.sprintmail.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0, March 15, 1997 From: Tiktok Mobile HQ To: "Looper's Delight" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <"1FIkt.0.bY5.Y6E8s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2051 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Something that I'd like to see in all future looping devices is a dry out jack. Older rackmount delays, such as the Digitech units always had this, which allowed me to send the unlooped preamp signal to one input of my mixer (passing through the looping unit), and the wet-only output from the looper to another. Using a preamp with stereo outs, I could have two parallel looping devices, maintain the preamp stereo image, and then have the two effects loops available for post loop processing (most small mixers seem to have only two effects loops). Many of us have bemoaned the limitations of commercially availabe small mixers (six, eight channels) for looping applications, typically wishing for more sends. Any manufacturers of current or future looping devices on the list, please take note. Thanks, Travis Hartnett From ???@??? Sun Oct 11 13:49:11 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id HAA27401; Sun, 11 Oct 1998 07:57:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 07:57:36 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Paul.C.Wright@ercgroup.com Message-ID: To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Music Threads Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 06:36:49 -0500 Importance: high X-Priority: 1 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"5-29h.0.rH6.Ve98s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2040 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I haven't been reading much of anything interesting lately, though I have just re-read Marquez's "One Hundred Years Of Solitude," and am planning on picking up the new John Irving (still not believing that Hollywood has corrupted yet another fine work ("A Prayer For Owen Meany") with a movie adaptation). Anyway, I've been looking for a couple of Bill Bruford/Patrick Moraz discs for the past few years, and have struck out miserably. They are "Music For Piano And Drums," and "Flags." If anyone has a copy of either or both, would they be interesting in trading for other musics that I have that might be of interest? Please let me know. Thanks, > ---------- > From: Javier Miranda V.[SMTP:gnominus@earthling.net] > Reply To: gnominus@earthling.net > Sent: Friday, October 09, 1998 9:59 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Subject: RE: absolutely no loop content > > But Kim, what is the title and author of the books you're reading on him? > > | -----Original Message----- > | From: Kim Flint [mailto:kflint@annihilist.com] > | Sent: Thursday 08 October 1998 1:12 AM > | To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > | Subject: Re: absolutely no loop content > | > | > | currently reading some old dude named Rene Descartes from the 1600's. > | > | "I think therefore I Loop!" > | "I loop therefore I covet gear!" > | "I covet gear therefore I think!" > | > | I highly recommend Rene for any looper, as he has his own rather > profound > | approach to looping. Descartes proved himself to be a very bright > | guy early > | on, even inventing some fundamental mathematical concepts we all were > | tortured with as youngsters. And then, convinced of his own mediocrity, > he > | devoted 9 years of his life to eliminating all of his opinions. > Descartes > | developed an exemplary approach to thought, whereby he would: never > accept > | anything to be true which he did not absolutely know to be true; divide > | difficult problems into as many simple parts as possible, so that they > can > | more easily be solved; conduct his thinking in order from the simplest > and > | easiest to prove through to the more complex; and last, to make > | his studies > | so complete and general as to not omit anything. > | > | Then, after this remarkable effort, Rene employs an amazing bit > | of circular > | logic to prove the existence of God in just three rather convoluted > | sentences. Impressive! I heartily encourage you all to create > | music in that > | fashion. In fact, reminds me of many posts here on Looper's Delight. > | > | Sadly, although Rene is considered the Father of Modern Philosophy, he > did > | not live long enough to invent his own looper or compose any influential > | loop music, as he certainly would have. The queen of Sweden hired > | him to be > | her tutor, and demanded that he begin instruction at 5am in cold > | Sweden. He > | died within months. I'm sure the same would happen to me.... > | > | kim > | > | ______________________________________________________________________ > | Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > | kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html > | http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > | > | > | > From ???@??? Sun Oct 11 13:49:13 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id IAA29225; Sun, 11 Oct 1998 08:17:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 08:17:50 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Paul.C.Wright@ercgroup.com Message-ID: To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: Readings Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 07:01:12 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"-Mgc72.0._w6.K_98s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2041 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Stephen (and all), Have you also read "The Forge Of God," by Greg Bear? If not, I could lend you my copy. I love it, particularly the ongoing universal fight between good and evil. It reminded me a great deal of John Bryne's take on Galactus (from Fantastic Four). I hope that I haven't stretched the threads of this topic too taut. Ciao, > ---------- > From: Stephen P. Goodman[SMTP:sgoodman@earthlight.net] > Reply To: sgoodman@earthlight.net > Sent: Friday, October 09, 1998 11:24 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Subject: Readings > > I thought I'd chip in, and tell what I'm reading right now - and a fine > distraction from bus-riding it is! "Songs of Earth & Power" by Greg Bear > is > something a friend lent me, and despite my internal comparisons to "The > Talisman", a Stephen King/Peter Straub collaboration, it would seem to be > much more substantial. > > And a great read. One premise involves the faerie folk not liking music, > especially when it comes from humans, because they perceive all music as > being potential magic, depending on its construction; thus, in our hands > it's like we're playing with explosives, though we don't realize it. And, > as a result, it's banned in their Other World... :) > > Stephen GoodmanÊ -Ê It's... The Loop Of The Week! > EarthLight StudiosÊ -Ê http://www.earthlight.net/Studios > From ???@??? Sun Oct 11 13:49:14 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id IAA29755; Sun, 11 Oct 1998 08:21:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 08:21:59 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Paul.C.Wright@ercgroup.com Message-ID: To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: absolutely no loop content Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 07:07:06 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"_OUsc.0.j27.u4A8s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2042 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I noticed the Jim Carroll reference in your reading material. I got to meet Jim at a poetry reading at the now-deceased Guild Bookstore (great memories of the place), and got him to sign a copy of "The Book Of Nods." Exceptionally evocative and visual poetry. If you haven't read it, check it out. His stuff gave me the heart to handle Bukowski... > ---------- > From: Texture444@aol.com[SMTP:Texture444@aol.com] > Reply To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Sent: Friday, October 09, 1998 7:11 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Subject: Re: absolutely no loop content > > >> now we all know what we are listening to......what are we reading? > > recently read, or reading! ::::: > > girl in landscape: jonathan lethem > traveller in space: june campbell > black snow: mikhail bulgakov > calm abiding & special insight: geshe gedun lodro > prisoners of shangri-la: donald lopez > music, the brain & ecstacy: robert jourdain > void of course: jim carroll > the tibetan yogas of dream & sleep: tenzin wangyal rinpoche > the pigeon: patrick suskind > madness & civilisation: michel foucault > the gifts of the jews: thomas cahill > enlightened courage: dilgo khyentse > the secret lives of alexandra david-neel: barbara & michael foster > everyday kabbalah: melinda ribner > > best, > dt > From ???@??? Sun Oct 11 13:48:36 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id UAA10530; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 20:54:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 20:54:06 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: landman@pop.ncal.verio.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 05:51:36 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: landman@wco.com (Mark Landman) Subject: Re: stereo to mono Resent-Message-ID: <"UyaG_3.0.mO2.F008s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2028 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >I'm using SoundForge and have found that you can remove the mono elements >of a stereo track...... leaving you mostly with stereo effects (inverting >one channel and combing to mono) > >I would like to use this in reverse. > >Is there any way that you can remove the stereo elements leaving on the >mono parts of a track? I've had no luck so far, and suspect it may be >physically impossible. Starting off with the stereo elements sans mono, invert and mix again with the original. Should workÉ Mark From ???@??? Sun Oct 11 13:49:20 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id JAA03341; Sun, 11 Oct 1998 09:22:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 09:22:44 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <012701bdf518$48138160$9b2f63c3@martinj> From: "Harry P" To: "loopers delight" Subject: unsubscribe Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 14:08:16 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0124_01BDF520.97D63B40" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"S6cmh3.0.qN.LrA8s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2043 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com

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From ???@??? Sun Oct 11 13:49:25 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id JAA05456; Sun, 11 Oct 1998 09:55:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 09:55:02 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3620B515.10411349@bellsouth.net> Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 09:39:33 -0400 From: Jeff Duke X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: unsubscribe References: <012701bdf518$48138160$9b2f63c3@martinj> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------F2CE0157815C2D6ED5DC2AEB" Resent-Message-ID: <"o-uDm1.0.851.GKB8s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2044 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Well here is the test of the newlyfound goodwill and bonding thats been going on. Are we going to be nice or play mean tricks on our confused looping friend? I will defer to someone else.

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  From ???@??? Sun Oct 11 13:49:29 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id KAA08063; Sun, 11 Oct 1998 10:20:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 10:20:26 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3620BCBE.86334DD@bellsouth.net> Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 10:12:14 -0400 From: Jeff Duke X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: unsubscribe References: <012701bdf518$48138160$9b2f63c3@martinj> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------F519AE89251B38CD20982678" Resent-Message-ID: <"XwDoF3.0.8r1.uoB8s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2045 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I can't stand it.
Harry, click here to unsubscribe. you did it right but the wrong address.

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  From ???@??? Sun Oct 11 13:49:35 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id LAA12622; Sun, 11 Oct 1998 11:07:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 11:07:20 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <001b01bdf527$b9d4c2a0$862e63c3@martinj> From: "Harry P" To: "loopers delight" Subject: apologies Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 15:58:49 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0018_01BDF530.096521E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"ooUh23.0.Wp2.1TC8s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2046 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com
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From ???@??? Sun Oct 11 13:49:37 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id LAA13979; Sun, 11 Oct 1998 11:19:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 11:19:53 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3620CA2F.C4B49093@bellsouth.net> Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 11:09:35 -0400 From: Jeff Duke X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: unsubscribe References: <012701bdf518$48138160$9b2f63c3@martinj> <3620BCBE.86334DD@bellsouth.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------028801EF071791427D53B4B2" Resent-Message-ID: <"HfvNF3.0.u73.geC8s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2047 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com or read the faq here http://www.annihilist.com/loop/list/LoopList.html

Jeff Duke wrote:

 I can't stand it.
Harry, click here to unsubscribe. you did it right but the wrong address.

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Sun Oct 11 13:49:48 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id NAA26939; Sun, 11 Oct 1998 13:25:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 13:25:55 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19981011171058.22812.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [164.67.20.93] From: "Joseph Buck" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: re: Eno's Future Light Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 10:10:58 PDT Resent-Message-ID: <"jRP_1.0.F06.TSE8s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2052 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Michael- >does anyone really read all these posts sure do. to that end you said you were listening to: >Brian Eno: Future Light-Lounge Proposal Was there a CD made to accompany this? Or was it just the two webcasts? selam, Buck ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From ???@??? Sun Oct 11 13:49:50 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id NAA26418; Sun, 11 Oct 1998 13:23:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 13:23:22 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3620E82A.1F21@dmans.com> Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 12:17:30 -0500 From: "Mikell D. Nelson" Reply-To: mnelson@dmans.com Organization: Boomerang Musical Products X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Y2K References: <00019D7B.4007@poyry.com.br> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"vD5u91.0.k46.cTE8s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2053 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com MAT wrote: > > Does anybody know if loop machines, delays, reverbs etc. will be affected by the > Y2K bug? > > Miguel Absolutely. As everyone knows, the devices you mention are all time-based effects and as such are very susceptible to Y2K problems. This will be especially pronounced if you are playing a New Year's Eve gig on 1999/2000. You could start a loop in 1999 and conclude it in 1900! Experts disagree on the severity of the effect, but concur that your loop will probably be affected stylistically. An avant-garde wash of music might be transmogrified into a Sousa march. Timeless music should be unaffected. Motley From ???@??? Sun Oct 11 13:49:39 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id LAA15574; Sun, 11 Oct 1998 11:27:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 11:27:57 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199810111519.LAA13957@rosy.yourwebhost.com> To: Sender: From: "Harry P" Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 10:57:00 Subject: fwd: unsubscribe From: "Harry P" Sender: Subject: unsubscribe X-Message-UIDL: ALBCDDCC Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="==Message-Boundary==_QUATRO_908119098" Resent-Message-ID: <"0ijph.0.UQ3.PoC8s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2048 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Description: Message Body ======== Original Message ======== unsubscribe ======== Fwd by: Steve Doherty ======== please unsubscribe me Attachment converted: shards o' data:PART-1.TXT 4 (TEXT/R*ch) (00001682) From ???@??? Sun Oct 11 13:49:38 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id LAA15346; Sun, 11 Oct 1998 11:26:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 11:26:36 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199810111519.LAA13971@rosy.yourwebhost.com> To: Sender: From: "Jeff Duke" Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 10:57:00 Subject: Re: unsubscribe From: "Jeff Duke" Sender: Subject: Re: unsubscribe X-Message-UIDL: ALBCDCFF Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="==Message-Boundary==_QUATRO_908119098" Resent-Message-ID: <"8kKTp3.0.lQ3.PoC8s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2050 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Description: Message Body ======== Original Message ======== Well here is the test of the newlyfound goodwill and bonding thats been going on. Are we going to be nice or play mean tricks on our confused looping friend? I will defer to someone else. Harry P wrote: > unsubscribe ======== Fwd by: Steve Doherty ======== please unsubscribe me thank you Attachment converted: shards o' data:PART-1.TXT 3 (TEXT/R*ch) (00001681) From ???@??? Sun Oct 11 13:49:41 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id LAA16076; Sun, 11 Oct 1998 11:32:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 11:32:24 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199810111519.LAA13963@rosy.yourwebhost.com> To: Sender: From: "Jeff Duke" Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 11:02:00 Subject: Re: unsubscribe From: "Jeff Duke" Sender: Subject: Re: unsubscribe X-Message-UIDL: ALBCDEBA Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="==Message-Boundary==_QUATRO_908119098" Resent-Message-ID: <"wtlOy.0.eQ3.PoC8s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2049 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Description: Message Body ======== Original Message ======== I can't stand it. Harry, click here to unsubscribe. you did it right but the wrong address. Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Harry P wrote: > unsubscribe ======== Fwd by: Steve Doherty ======== this is not harry how do i unsubscribe Attachment converted: shards o' data:PART-1.TXT 5 (TEXT/R*ch) (00001683) From ???@??? Sun Oct 11 13:49:54 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id PAA06174; Sun, 11 Oct 1998 15:23:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 15:23:44 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: M3chakucha@aol.com Message-ID: <95d14953.36210352@aol.com> Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 15:13:22 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: listening and reading Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Resent-Message-ID: <"tLmk73.0.NH1.TFG8s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2054 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Yes, and BLUE was completely awesome in the Live show! Have to find a copy of the disk, somewhere! :) Lee-ohki. From ???@??? Mon Oct 12 00:07:29 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id CAA08473; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 02:04:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 02:04:53 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Sender: mpeters@csi.com Message-ID: <01BDF5B4.3BE12090.mpeters@csi.com> From: Michael Peters To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: AW: Eno's Future Light Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 22:37:52 +0200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-Mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"9TNY81.0._i1.4YP8s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2059 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > >does anyone really read all these posts > sure do. ha ! I was waiting for this question... > >Brian Eno: Future Light-Lounge Proposal > Was there a CD made to accompany this? Or was it just the two webcasts? just the two webcasts - they can still be watched at the museum website btw, but the sound quality sucks. I went to the installation a week or two ago and made a 70-minute tape of its ambient music for myself. I will *not* make this available to anyone, sorry. I heard that recordings of the museum concert with Czukay (very different music, and more interesting than the installation soundtrack) might eventually become available on CD. * michael peters mpeters@csi.com * "escape veloopity" electronic guitar loop music * http://listen.to/michaelpeters From ???@??? Sun Oct 11 23:31:51 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id TAA25181; Sun, 11 Oct 1998 19:13:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 19:13:06 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Texture444@aol.com Message-ID: <61528710.36212f4d@aol.com> Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 18:21:01 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: faint loop content: jim carroll Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 161 Resent-Message-ID: <"mvJmw3.0.zA5.I_I8s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2055 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >I noticed the Jim Carroll reference in your reading material. I got to >meet >Jim at a poetry reading at the now-deceased Guild Bookstore (great memories >of the place), and got him to sign a copy of "The Book Of Nods." >Exceptionally evocative and visual poetry. If you haven't read it, check >it >out. His stuff gave me the heart to handle Bukowski... pretty sure that one of my kids has 'book of nods': i'll surely borrow it, eventually. since yer a fan of jim's, ya might like the two (music) tracks we co-wrote (w/anton sanko) for jim's forthcoming CD release. best, dt From ???@??? Sun Oct 11 23:31:58 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id WAA10207; Sun, 11 Oct 1998 22:01:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 22:01:10 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <36216074.6D30@erols.com> Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 21:50:44 -0400 From: Michael Preston Reply-To: michpres@erols.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: listening and reading References: <95d14953.36210352@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"L4Toj1.0.HH2.p3M8s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2056 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Lee-ohki, Check out the Papa Bear Records site to order B.L.U.E discs, or call them at 1-800-688-2227. http://papabear.com/blue.html hope this helps. Michael M3chakucha@aol.com wrote: > > Yes, and BLUE was completely awesome in the Live show! > > Have to find a copy of the disk, somewhere! > > :) > > Lee-ohki. From ???@??? Sun Oct 11 23:32:01 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id AAA27286; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 00:21:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 00:21:40 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Dpcoffin@aol.com Message-ID: <81d31327.362180e9@aol.com> Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 00:09:13 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: New Digital Sampling/Looping devices. Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 84 Resent-Message-ID: <"BCpP81.0.2O6.56O8s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2057 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 10/7/98 8:37:01 PM, Lee wrote: >I am looking for >something that has a foot controller and can handle around 5 to 10 seconds of >sampling prior to looping it. Investigate the Korg DL8000R; with a stereo vol pedal controlling send-to, and a Korg Exp2 pedal on feedback, you'll get 5.2 sec stereo looping, or 10+sec. mono...plus a lot of other cool delay tricks, for around $400 (pedals extra~)-( dpc From ???@??? Sun Oct 11 23:32:02 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id AAA32462; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 00:55:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 00:55:35 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Dpcoffin@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 00:44:10 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: projeKCt two Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 84 Resent-Message-ID: <"217i21.0.1W7.KcO8s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2058 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 10/8/98 8:49:16 AM, a looperfellow --or is that fellowlooper ?-- wrote: >projeKCt two: space groove (Q: what planet are these guys on? A: Zarg - > >Music for Spaceports) With no wish to start anything acrimonious, I must confess that I bought this CD, largely on the basis of having read so much about RF here, and about this "new" experimental "free" direction for him and his mates in the music press, and was actually expecting to be stretched, or at least surprised with something fresh, if not musically, at least sonically...I got about 3/4 of the way thru this SpaceGroove side without spotting anything even slightly out of the ordinary and eventually just called it off...it sounded to me completely predictable, just aimless fleet-footed fusioneering with an occasionally annoying bit of pitch-bent quasi-Vibe, standing in for an unmemorable guitar, both doing their level best to be totally un-evocative of anything--just some guys with instruments in a room making notes to a steady-ish beat...which I've heard a few times before. Am I missing anything on the remaining disk--or did I fail to detect something fascinating on this one? Is this what a "Soundscape" is?? .....hope not... Really, I'm not trying to be offensive to any fripp fans, and hope this disk is NOT representative; guess I'm just venting over another $18 spent on "expectations" that weren't, and "entertainment" that wasn't... dpc From ???@??? Mon Oct 12 11:28:04 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id KAA23758; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 10:08:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 10:08:06 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: darcyc@srvr5.engin.umich.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/enriched; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 09:47:27 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Darcy Clark Subject: Midi Delay software Resent-Message-ID: <"9J-nx1.0.1n4.1ZW8s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2062 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com On further investigating software looping capabilities of Opcode Max, I found this: http://www2.cybernex.net/~jonwitte/ReadMididelay.html dunno if anyone mentioned this to the list yet, but the this sounds pretty cool. from the website : "What is Midi Delay? Midi Delay does many of the same things as a hardware digital delay and more...The programs uses hardware digital delay terminology making it very intuitive to use for most electronic musicians. In this fully registered version of Midi Delay the user gets 15 seconds of delay time, and 10,000 repeats (feedback) on the main delay and 16 multitap delay sections that allows 15 seconds of delay time on each tap and the ability to send the taps on different midi channels or to different midi instruments. The multitap section can be fed to the main delay for further processing and cool looping effects. Midi delay supports Apple's Quicktime Musical Instruments v2.0 and higher as an output source." Times_New_RomanDarcy Clark +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Materials Science and Engineering Department H.H.Dow Building, 2300 Hayward St., University of Michigan Ann Arbor, MI, 48109-2136 USA +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Room 2130, Dow Building Phone (734) 764 3377 Fax (734) 763 4788 E-mail darcyc@engin.umich.edu http://msewww.engin.umich.edu/mse250 http://msewww.engin.umich.edu/MEL http://www-personal.engin.umich.edu/~darcyc/ +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From ???@??? Mon Oct 12 11:28:10 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id KAA27072; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 10:22:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 10:22:00 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: AURALG@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 10:07:01 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: unsubscribe Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 38 Resent-Message-ID: <"Zt4ZF1.0.Ts5.2sW8s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2064 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com unsubscribe From ???@??? Mon Oct 12 11:28:26 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id KAA30768; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 10:42:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 10:42:03 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 15:20:40 +0100 Message-ID: <0018E9D5.1424@mail.bl.uk> From: David.Orton@mail.bl.uk (David Orton) Subject: SquarePusher on BBC Radio 3 etc To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Resent-Message-ID: <"lNZiV2.0.R-6.jAX8s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2065 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi all This first bit may mainly be of UK-only interest, so apologies, but Radio 3's Mixing It (tonight, 12-x-98 10.45pm) is supposed to include SquarePusher discussing his new CD. Well, that's what they announced last week, but the web site says to expect a session from Tortoise, so either way it might be OK. Also fairly UK-centric. A new magazine about computers and music called (duh) Computer Music was launched a few weeks ago. Its cover CD features a list of useful URLs including Looper's Delight - world domination one step nearer then. It also contains a full copy of Cubasis Audio Lite, and a demo of Acid, and as I just got a (proper) new PC, its nice to finally see what all that discussion was about. For the same reason (new PC) I've been reading all the cover-disc mags (or more accurately trying out all the demos - most of the mags are content-free unless you're especially interested in a product review), so not much `real' reading. However, I bought a remaindered copy of Idoru, mostly cos Chapter One is entitled Death Cube K, which reminded me of a discussion a while ago about Death Cube K/Buckethead - so who anagramised whom, hmm? I'm also about to start Ian McEwan's Enduring Love. And just an hour ago bought the double CD - Rites - by Jan Garbarek which includes something close to block rockin' beats in places - sort of "I shook up the tunes" (oh suit yerself). And another version of "...gray voice". But I don't know what it sounds like yet - cos I've go two copies of the second CD, and non of the first! Jolly nuisance. Live as it happens etc. Anyone remember Del Bailey's version of the Lost Chord from the compilation album with Fred Frith et al? Well that's more than enough so - Cheers David From ???@??? Mon Oct 12 11:28:29 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id KAA31951; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 10:48:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 10:48:37 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Jim_M_Shepherd@tivoli.com X-Lotus-FromDomain: TIVOLI SYSTEMS To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-ID: <8625669B.004F10D2.00@MTA-Austin2.tivoli.com> Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 09:29:31 -0500 Subject: RE: Recordings Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"RVFN83.0.T_6.8BX8s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2066 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I'd color you a realist. Please respond to Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > y'know, I've heard a lot of television commercials with really cool > backing > music in the past couple of years. That's where I've heard the best drum > n' > bass lately. . . . Was the jingle industry quitely disappeared and > replace by avant-garde composers? In any case, seems like a fine place for > some wild loops. > > I've noticed this too . . . my take on it is a little less benign I guess. To me, it seems like just another instance of a cool art form being coopted for the sake of commerce - - thereby stripping it of any sense of danger or threat, and totally subverting it away from the youth culture that created it . . . turning it into yet another homogenized bit of corporate culture. IMHO. Color me pessimstic . . . From ???@??? Mon Oct 12 11:28:45 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id LAA04433; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 11:17:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 11:17:02 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: RA336@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 10:58:18 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: looping live Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 84 Resent-Message-ID: <"0mmHv3.0.BL.6cX8s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2067 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com hey listers... i'm in the middle of a very enjoyable tour with the Tom Tom Club... if you haven't had a chance to catch any shows yet here are the rest of the dates... it's a buncha fun! fri 10/16 washington dc ; the bayou sat 10/17 pasadena md ; daytona's 10/23 new haven ; toad's place 10/24 old bridge nj ; birch hill nighclub 10/30 philadelphia ; theater of living arts 10/31 nyc ; tramps chris frantz ; drums tina weymouth ; bass steve scales ; percussion bruce martin ; keyboards robby aceto ; guitar noodles & looping charles pettigrew ; vocals ...special guests From ???@??? Mon Oct 12 11:28:52 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id LAA05189; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 11:20:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 11:20:00 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <2C396693FBDED111AEF60000F84104A71A6550@indyexch_fddi.indy.tce.com> From: Hoover Alan To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: stereo to mono Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 10:01:03 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"IeWBf1.0.zR.CeX8s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2068 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Alex (and Aden)- When you invert one channel and then sum the two, as you did, you remove all signals where L=R, which is mono. This is commonly known as the (L+R) signal. What you are left with is commonly known as the difference signal, or (L-R). A stereo signal consists of (L+R) and (L-R). If you add the two, you are left with only L, if you subtract the two, you are left with only R. You can do as Aden says, first obtain the difference signal and then add that to the total, and you will be left with the sum, or mono signal. There is an another, perhaps easier way to achieve this. Just combine L and R without inverting one channel. Then, you remove all signals where L= -R. This is the part of the total signal which produces a sense of spaciousness, and is commonly called the (L-R) or difference signal. You will remove this whenever you simply sum L and R. (Incidentally, if you boost the (L-R) relative to the (L+R), you achieve "expanded stereo", or "SRS", or Carver "Sonic Holography", or any of a number of schemes developed since Dynaco (David Hafler) devised "Matrix Surround Stereo" in the '60's by connecting one speaker across the (+) output terminals of a stereo amplifier, and placing this speaker in the rear of the room. It is all the same thing.) The new Fender acoustic amp does something like this. You can do cool things with the difference signal (L-R), which you can isolate by inverting one channel and then summing the two. For instance, you can get rotating speaker effects by either amplitude modulating this signal and/or doing time-delay modulation to it (passing it through a choruser, phasor, etc.), then combining it back with the sum (L+R) signal. If you are familiar with opamps, as I assume you might be since you are experimenting with these things, you can easily and cheaply make a circuit using readily-available quad opamps to have both the sum and difference channels at your disposal to do all kinds of creative processing: Sum the two channels, for (L+R), which is mono. Invert one channel and then sum the two, which is the stereo difference signal. Now, if you sum and difference these two signals unmodified, then you end up with the original L and R channels (stereo). You can play with the sum and difference signals to achieve cool effects before recombining. This is how a lot of movie soundtrack effects are achieved, also reverb effects, particularly if the reverb and other time delay functions are used in the difference signal. -----Original Message----- From: Alex [mailto:alex_d@netcomuk.co.uk] Sent: Saturday, October 10, 1998 7:03 PM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: stereo to mono I'm using SoundForge and have found that you can remove the mono elements of a stereo track...... leaving you mostly with stereo effects (inverting one channel and combing to mono) I would like to use this in reverse. Is there any way that you can remove the stereo elements leaving on the mono parts of a track? I've had no luck so far, and suspect it may be physically impossible. From ???@??? Mon Oct 12 11:28:49 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id LAA05918; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 11:23:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 11:23:09 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <36221C29.1A0074C8@intcpi.com> Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 11:11:37 -0400 From: "John Price" Organization: INTELLISOFT, CPI X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: andre@monmouth.com CC: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: projeKCt two References: <199810121406.KAA03873@shell.monmouth.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"vkesX1.0.kk.FkX8s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2069 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Whoa boy !!!! The "Frippheaded Math Rockers" are gonna love you (Dpcoffin) for that one. Mention the name Fripp and all people will have somethin to eventually say. And I can see it now, Endless E-Mail Headers looking like this: "In defense of ..." "Regarding your criticisms of Mr. Fripp" ... or , "The Importance of understanding the crafty nature of gentlemen" ... "Clarification of Fripp's stance" ... "Of commerce and art or some other "overly analytical "verbiage". And of Course comentatary will endlessly try to make a response to you into some type of equation where they can mathematically prove your "Opinion" wrong.. Wanna take bets as to how many replies will be like that ??? O' well, I will take the bait Dp provided and finish w/ an opinion. Now, Opinions are important, but not the end all or be all. And I do happen to "kinda" agree with DP on this one. I think project 2 is more of a "for die hard fans" only disc that never really gets off the ground. I also think it wasn't really ever supposed to be "barn burner". It also kinda lets people see what it is that Trey Gunn actually does or can do surrounded or burried under all the firepower crimson has inside its belly. Spacegroove seems more like a Fripp and "Friends" at home having a "jam" with the "new drum toy" Belew got in the mail. It strikes me as stuff that would probably never be released under most anal Fripp circumstances. What I really do like about Spacegroove is that it does not have that "total" air of Frippieness that just about evrything he does has. I'm more impressed by artists that constantly change their groove once they've established it. Fripp can and has done that while being completely tortuous, subversive, subtle, mechanical and purely spellbinding at any given moment. He's a paradox that does not quite fit anywhere 100%. Even though Space Groove shows a that there is more to him than what you normally hear, I still can't seem to find much interesting or rather sustaining in these 2 discs other than the dancier traks with the "Asian" Sounding type guitar groove on the.. well u know... the dancier cut on the less "fusiony" disc. This is more like Fripp walking around in his boxer shorts but having a very good time it seems. From ???@??? Mon Oct 12 11:29:02 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id LAA08797; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 11:38:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 11:38:03 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: GRAIGORY2@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 11:25:14 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Reading Material Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 226 Resent-Message-ID: <"muOcU.0.-f1.V_X8s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2070 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Right now, I am reading MAKES ME WANNA HOLLER by Nathan McCall, and I am goin to re-read THE ISIS PAPERS by Dr. Nancy Cress Welsing... pick them up! From ???@??? Mon Oct 12 19:15:16 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id UAA30513; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 20:24:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 20:24:32 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 18:39:41 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: patrick@his.com (Patrick Smith) Subject: PC:B Reviewed Resent-Message-ID: <"5kTT8.0.F77.Bjf8s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2073 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Dear Looper's, The following review of FingerPaint's Primary Colors: BLUE is form the most recent issue of FAQT Electronic Culture Volume 2 NUmber 4 FAQT is available from Tower Records and other fine stores. In an ambient vein of a different sort is FingerPaint from Takoma Park, MD who have pressed thier own CD called Primary Colors: BLUE. The sounds on PC:B are quite amazing for such an independent release, a bubbling meandering collage of sine wasves and synth pads that flirt with new age, but succed in surpassing that ill fated tag by leaps and bounds. FingerPaint can be as edgy and intense as it can be relaxing, accomplishing this with minimal percussion. And a sinister bent brings several tracks close to dark ambient territory. Well done. I doubt this will stir up as much angst as el Fripp....... Patrick Now Available: FingerPaint Primary Colors: BLUE A guitar-synth looping duo of dark illbience and dreamy ambience. Shockwave audio featuring our newest release Primary Colors:Blue www.fingerpaint.net From ???@??? Mon Oct 12 13:07:28 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id OAA10814; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 14:42:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 14:42:38 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <2148EC143F29D1118BE000805FC13CD067ECA6@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Recordings Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 13:22:37 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Resent-Message-ID: <"GhdPe3.0.8u1.zba8s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2071 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > thereby stripping it of any sense of > >danger or threat, and totally subverting it away from the youth culture > that > >created it . . . turning it into yet another homogenized bit of corporate > >culture. IMHO. > > > > > > Color me pessimstic . . . > > > > > I dunno, maybe it's that some cool musicians are infiltrating the music > industry. Maybe the subversion runs both ways? The Volkswagen add curently > running is probably the most ears the Orb have reached thus far. > > ________________________________________________________ > Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org : www.peak.org/~improv/ > > Hey Dave, Yes, this occurs to me as well. I think that subversion CAN cut both ways. To me, however, it usually comes down to the corporate folk using things as the current flavor/window-dressing for their necessary adverstising uses (and they "do" need to advertise. As opposed to some people who are creating the stuff because they "need to" . . . I just remember the days about 8(?) years ago when the new sound in advertising was fake U2-style guitar music. The other deal about subversion from the other side (rather than the mercantile side) is this (got this from a PolySci teacher): It's the Golden Rule - - you take their gold, you follow their rules. Musically, I think that the stuff sounds good . . . as I said I'm a pessimist about this sort of thing tho' . . . stig From ???@??? Mon Oct 12 19:15:11 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id TAA23737; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 19:32:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 19:32:03 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19981012232629.20446.rocketmail@send104.yahoomail.com> Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 16:26:29 -0700 (PDT) From: robert kolosowski Subject: Re: projeKCt two To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"on3l7.0.xa5.d_e8s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2072 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I agree with you guys on this one (even though i'm a big fan of Mr. Fribble) ... fripp in boxer shorts, but with the end of his cock dangling out the bottom of one side ! - a bit too relaxed. We all work best musically at some point of 'passionate motivation' .. mabye they should get drunk next time ... == Robert Kolosowski Kolosoro@Yahoo.com _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From ???@??? Mon Oct 12 19:15:17 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id UAA31347; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 20:30:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 20:30:04 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199810130017.UAA04970@ulster.net> Subject: best price on Echoplex... Date: Mon, 12 Oct 98 20:17:19 -0500 x-sender: evening@pop.ulster.net x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: evening To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <"OBzj7.0.wG7.onf8s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2074 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi there - I'm a new list member & electro/acoustic percussionist. After doing some research it looks like the only box to buy ( for my purposes) is the much loved Oberheim Echoplex Digital pro. I;m sure that this question gets asked often but here it goes... Where can I get the best price on the Echoplex and whats the going rate? I've called Musicians Friend & Bananas at Large both quoted $729 for the unit. The new gear price list has only one listing ($479) but that was from 1996 I just want to check the list before lay down the cash.... peace, john From ???@??? Mon Oct 12 19:15:25 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id VAA05627; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 21:27:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 21:27:06 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199810130120.VAA12135@ulster.net> Subject: Boomerang question... Date: Mon, 12 Oct 98 21:19:43 -0500 x-sender: evening@pop.ulster.net x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: evening To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <"k1lS-1.0.mB1.Iig8s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2075 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com While mentioning to a friend about looking for an OB echoplex he suggested that I buy his little used Boomerang. I have one question: Is the memory upgradeable? He has a 30sec/1min version. Thanks, jmw From ???@??? Mon Oct 12 20:06:55 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id WAA16189; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 22:53:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 22:53:42 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 22:40:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Todd Reynolds Subject: Re: PC:B Reviewed Resent-Message-ID: <"azquy2.0.ob3.2vh8s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2076 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com waiting anxiously for a reply on your jamman... what's the price? -------------------- Liz Knowles and Todd Reynolds Write to Liz at her NEW and private Lidd Music Partners email address which is... 500B Grand St. 11G NY NY 10002 lizfyddle@aol.com 212 475-8559 phone on the road again..... 212 358-9371 fax liddmuse@bway.net http://www.bway.net/~liddmuse From ???@??? Mon Oct 12 23:45:37 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id BAA00049; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 01:31:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 01:31:24 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3622D3D7.5477B492@latrobe.edu.au> Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 15:15:21 +1100 From: Brad Knox Reply-To: B.Knox@latrobe.edu.au X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Boomerang question... References: <199810130120.VAA12135@ulster.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"ywLSG1.0.as7.jDk8s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2077 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com evening wrote: > > While mentioning to a friend about looking for an OB echoplex he > suggested that I buy his little used Boomerang. > > I have one question: Is the memory upgradeable? He has a 30sec/1min > version. > > Thanks, > > jmw hi jmw, the memory is certainly upgradable... standard 30 pin 4 meg RAM boosts the 'rang to 2min/4min... all that needs to be done is open 'er up, pull out the same looking 1 meg card and plug in the 4 meg (there are fairly sturdy pegs holding it in)... if you've got the cash go the 'plex though.... or buy both... the 'rang has no midi for electronic percussion and might not have enough sampling rate for acoustic percussion (you lose a bit of top... which is just fine for my dark guitaring) brad pssst.. i love the 'rang From ???@??? Mon Oct 12 23:45:41 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id BAA04442; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 01:56:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 01:56:13 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3622D6A5.8BF3DAA@latrobe.edu.au> Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 15:27:18 +1100 From: Brad Knox Reply-To: B.Knox@latrobe.edu.au X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Subject: Re: projeKCt two References: <199810121406.KAA03873@shell.monmouth.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"gnDIY.0.4C.0Sk8s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2078 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com andre wrote: > > the show i > saw - plus a tape i'v heard - are simply unmissable. see the fall tour, > tape the CD off a friend.... > > peace, andre' shhhh! better not let the Great Fripper, Vanquisher of Bootleg, hear that! From ???@??? Tue Oct 13 11:57:23 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id HAA04583; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 07:45:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 07:45:42 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 06:25:30 -0500 (CDT) Sender: crash@waste.org From: Todd Madson To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Space Groove Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"wO4001.0._k.Zap8s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2079 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I dunno about you, but I kind of like Space Groove. It's great music for driving, that's for sure, especially if you are on a rather long trip. It's also rather interesting in that on that first track, Fripp gets to solo until his brain falls out (I've finally decided that this is Fripp instead of Gunn as there are several obvious Fernandes Sustainor bits in there, as well as some Digitech Whammy pedal usage). Yes, it's not heavily composed and maybe not recorded with an air of "THIS IS A VERY IMPORTANT RECORDING" about it, but it's sort of rare to hear Fripp in a "jamming" situation, where he's obviously improvising over a groove (I don't think Thrakattack counts...) It sounds fun to me - for that, I like it. I'm waiting for the next real King Crimson project for "next generation" innovation. -t From ???@??? Mon Oct 12 11:28:03 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id JAA20750; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 09:55:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 09:55:44 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199810121331.JAA21164@shell.monmouth.com> Reply-To: From: "andre" To: Subject: Re: regarding Derek Bailey Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 09:32:04 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Gx3GF.0.kD4.bKW8s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2060 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > I know that fellow looper Andre' Cholmondeley was at the recording of the > "Sign of 4" recording at the Knitting Factory. In fact..listen to the end of > the third disc and you will hear Andre' yelling "DEREK BAILEY, DEREK > BAILEY!! Thank you Pat!". haha (LOL!) i almost forgot that little detail!! yeah - Jeff, you're right - i was in the smallish crowd at the late knit show of that insane quartet!! they tore our heads off- has anyone out there NOT heard even a bit of this great 3 disc set yet??? Tow state of the art drummers and two sonic masters - Metheny and Bailey - they made spiderwebs of sound, then WALLS of sound... I also was lucky enuf to see the great DB at a duos festival at the old knit - i seem to remember him doing duos with John Zorn .. and maybe Fred Frith. I've also seen him play a solo set. The guy is just approaching guitar TOTALLY from the other side... check him out on acoustic - he has a duets CD with Kaiser called "Wireforks" (get it?) all hail the bail' andre' From ???@??? Tue Oct 13 11:57:52 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id KAA23988; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 10:32:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 10:32:01 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <01BDF6BA.3660B7A0.andrew@bocs.com> From: Andrew Taylor Reply-To: "andrew@bocs.com" To: "Loop (E-mail)" Subject: The Mayans - First Loopers ? Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 15:00:21 +0100 Organization: bocs X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"RfMiy1.0.eg4.Lsr8s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2081 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This was in the news today, Echo of the past THE Mayans may have made the world's first audio recording a thousand years ago. This is the claim of an acoustics engineer who says the properties of echoes produced by Mayan pyramids suggest they were built to copy the cry of sacred birds. Guides often clap a pair of rocks together to entertain the crowds of tourists at the Kukulk‡n pyramid at Chichen Itza in Mexico. The echo that comes back is surprising, a descending chirp of "EE-oo". The guides say the sound was engineered by the Mayans to mimic anything >from an animal cry to the ghostly howls of humans sacrificed at that spot. But serious Mayan scholars have written this off as nonsense. full story at: http://www.yahoo.co.uk/headlines/19981012/newscien/908150460-201867272.html From ???@??? Mon Oct 12 11:28:11 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id KAA27083; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 10:22:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 10:22:03 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199810121406.KAA03873@shell.monmouth.com> Reply-To: From: "andre" To: Subject: Re: projeKCt two Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 10:06:39 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"zT8cn2.0.8p5.4rW8s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2063 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > something fresh, if not musically, at least sonically...I got about 3/4 of the > way thru this SpaceGroove side without spotting anything even slightly out of > the ordinary and eventually just called it off...it sounded to me completely > predictable, just aimless fleet-footed fusioneering with an occasionally > annoying bit of pitch-bent quasi-Vibe, standing in for an unmemorable guitar, nope, dp - you missed nothing. I love fripp unabashedly - he is and remains and will be a favorite and a huge influence and source of musical joy for me. But the SPace groove CD is not groundbreaking, no more than the series of soundscapes albums are. perhaps(?) to fripp's credit - he doesn't call em such - some of the press - and many fans do...but it's emperors new clothes here. But i WILL say - tha by the time i saw them live - they smoked!!!! their big mistake - was - most of the stuff on the CD was from the FIRST day they got into the studio and jammed!!! you know - you jam- it comes out great on tape - you're excited - so you release it (given you have a record company handy) - but as we all know - the music 2-3 months later will be so much better in this knida setting... so - i'm puzzled as to why they put out the embryonic stuff - when the live stuff was incredibly eveolved!!! the show i saw - plus a tape i'v heard - are simply unmissable. see the fall tour, tape the CD off a friend.... peace, andre' From ???@??? Tue Oct 13 11:58:17 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id NAA14454; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 13:07:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 13:07:21 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Bailey, Jim" To: "'looppost'" Subject: RE: Suggestion for new looper feature Date: Tue, 13 Oct 98 12:49:00 EDT Message-ID: <3623824A@199.71.32.33> Encoding: 17 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Resent-Message-ID: <"Rws3l.0.jc2.eAu8s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2084 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >Something that I'd like to see in all future looping devices is a dry out >jack >Thanks, >Travis Hartnett I quite agree! The last time my looper got really drunk it took forever to get it sober! ;-P Sorry, Travis, couldn't resist that one. Jim Bailey From ???@??? Tue Oct 13 20:54:21 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id XAA05922; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 23:06:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 23:06:52 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 21:23:07 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: patrick@his.com (Patrick Smith) Subject: Re: Space Groove Resent-Message-ID: <"9VXQo.0.Z81.RC19s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2094 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com James Sidlo wrote:. >> What label is this, "Space Groove" on? Discipline records? Is it >> available domestically stateside? Thanks, James James it is released on DGM. ANd is available from Possible Productions. I do not have their number handy, but if you search the web for Elephant talk, I know that you can access DGM"S site from their. AS to the content of Space Groove, yes it''s not ground breaking music, but how much music is? I do enjoy listening to it myself. It's fun. Patrick Now Available: FingerPaint Primary Colors: BLUE A guitar-synth looping duo of dark illbience and dreamy ambience. Shockwave audio featuring our newest release Primary Colors:Blue www.fingerpaint.net From ???@??? Tue Oct 13 16:39:58 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id QAA13441; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 16:27:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 16:27:10 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: nicomonguzzi@mail.vtx.ch Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 22:01:09 +0200 To: Loopers Delight * Mail List From: nicolas monguzzi Subject: concert in Baltimore and New York Resent-Message-ID: <"-q3fK2.0.Zh2.7Gx8s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2085 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Ciao next two weeks i'll come to Baltimore and New York (one week each) Can anyone let me know any good place to go for concert (avant-garde, contemporary jazz, loop-based music, ....) or any site on the web where i can find info. thank you very much ciao nic (Me and AndrŽ DŽcosterd have composed the music that will be played at UMBC Visual Arts in Baltimore during the exposition of the graphic designer Bruno Monguzzi. The music will be played in octophony (???) by eight loudspeakers. If anyone interested... see you there! a cd (stereo of course...) is available) From ???@??? Tue Oct 13 16:49:53 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id TAA10783; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 19:42:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 19:42:40 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19981013233014.860.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [164.67.20.114] From: "Joseph Buck" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Musician's Friend? Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 16:30:07 PDT Resent-Message-ID: <"mvuwj.0.jE2.0C-8s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2086 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com OK gotta vent here- Have been talking and haggling with Musician's Friend since Thursday over an Echoplex. They agree to send it overnight yesterday. I got it at 3:30. But only the foot pedal. I call them up to say what the fuck. "Oh they don't make them anymore. We can't get anymore." Why didn't you tell me this THURSDAY! AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAURRRRRRGHHH!!!!!! ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From ???@??? Tue Oct 13 17:10:22 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id TAA13487; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 19:59:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 19:59:30 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Jim_M_Shepherd@tivoli.com X-Lotus-FromDomain: TIVOLI SYSTEMS To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-ID: <8625669C.0081D000.00@MTA-Austin2.tivoli.com> Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 18:43:53 -0500 Subject: Re: Musician's Friend? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"kInaK3.0.Km2.qO-8s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2087 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hey Buck, Take a deep breath, let it out slow. They are full of crap, Oberheim still makes the EDP. Jim "Joseph Buck" on 10/13/98 06:30:07 PM Please respond to Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com cc: (bcc: Jim M Shepherd/Tivoli Systems) Subject: Musician's Friend? OK gotta vent here- Have been talking and haggling with Musician's Friend since Thursday over an Echoplex. They agree to send it overnight yesterday. I got it at 3:30. But only the foot pedal. I call them up to say what the fuck. "Oh they don't make them anymore. We can't get anymore." Why didn't you tell me this THURSDAY! AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAURRRRRRGHHH!!!!!! ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From ???@??? Tue Oct 13 20:53:57 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id UAA14216; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 20:02:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 20:02:54 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <98Oct13.184721cdt.26890@gateway.gibson.com> From: Dino Cattaneo To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Musician's Friend - Echoplexes still produced. Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 18:46:56 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"v4KrO1.0.Pu2.mS-8s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2088 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com That information is incorrect. The Echoplex is still made and sold, and currently in stock. If Musician's Friend places an order with us they should be able to get one fairly quickly. -----Original Message----- From: Joseph Buck [mailto:josephbuck@hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 1998 6:30 PM To: dcattane@gibson.com Subject: Musician's Friend? OK gotta vent here- Have been talking and haggling with Musician's Friend since Thursday over an Echoplex. They agree to send it overnight yesterday. I got it at 3:30. But only the foot pedal. I call them up to say what the fuck. "Oh they don't make them anymore. We can't get anymore." Why didn't you tell me this THURSDAY! AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAURRRRRRGHHH!!!!!! ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From ???@??? Tue Oct 13 20:54:01 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id UAA17701; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 20:20:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 20:20:39 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <19981013233014.860.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 17:05:20 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Musician's Friend? Resent-Message-ID: <"K7lMW1.0.nm3.Wk-8s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2089 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >OK gotta vent here- > >Have been talking and haggling with Musician's Friend since Thursday >over an Echoplex. They agree to send it overnight yesterday. I got it at >3:30. But only the foot pedal. >I call them up to say what the fuck. >"Oh they don't make them anymore. We can't get anymore." >Why didn't you tell me this THURSDAY! > >AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAURRRRRRGHHH!!!!!! that's bullshit. Oberheim has them in stock and is shipping to dealers regularly. I talked to them about it just the other day. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Tue Oct 13 20:54:00 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id UAA17847; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 20:21:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 20:21:25 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3623EC8D.B6A155D7@bellsouth.net> Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 20:13:01 -0400 From: Jeff Duke X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.07 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Musician's Friend? References: <19981013233014.860.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"yNygE2.0.Sx3.1o-8s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2090 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Have you tried Thoroughbred Music. They list it in their catalog. Checkemout. http://www.tbred-music.com/ Jeff Joseph Buck wrote: > OK gotta vent here- > > Have been talking and haggling with Musician's Friend since Thursday > over an Echoplex. They agree to send it overnight yesterday. I got it at > 3:30. But only the foot pedal. > I call them up to say what the fuck. > "Oh they don't make them anymore. We can't get anymore." > Why didn't you tell me this THURSDAY! > > AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAURRRRRRGHHH!!!!!! > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From ???@??? Tue Oct 13 20:54:03 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id UAA19029; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 20:28:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 20:28:42 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3623EE60.3FD0CA11@bellsouth.net> Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 20:20:49 -0400 From: Jeff Duke X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.07 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Musician's Friend? References: <19981013233014.860.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"yawdw3.0.GK4.Fv-8s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2091 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I hunted for it. see if this works; http://www.tbred-music.com/cgi-bin/network/pricesearch.cgi Joseph Buck wrote: > OK gotta vent here- > > Have been talking and haggling with Musician's Friend since Thursday > over an Echoplex. They agree to send it overnight yesterday. I got it at > 3:30. But only the foot pedal. > I call them up to say what the fuck. > "Oh they don't make them anymore. We can't get anymore." > Why didn't you tell me this THURSDAY! > > AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAURRRRRRGHHH!!!!!! > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From ???@??? Tue Oct 13 20:54:08 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id UAA21882; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 20:50:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 20:50:16 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3623F370.E65B70F@bellsouth.net> Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 20:42:24 -0400 From: Jeff Duke X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.07 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Musician's Friend? References: <19981013233014.860.qmail@hotmail.com> <3623EE60.3FD0CA11@bellsouth.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"EAli02.0.X65.UD_8s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2092 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Here I go again! Sorry about that link its a cgi script from a seach that I did. Not a valid url. Jeff Duke wrote: > I hunted for it. see if this works; > http://www.tbred-music.com/cgi-bin/network/pricesearch.cgi > > Joseph Buck wrote: > > > OK gotta vent here- > > > > Have been talking and haggling with Musician's Friend since Thursday > > over an Echoplex. They agree to send it overnight yesterday. I got it at > > 3:30. But only the foot pedal. > > I call them up to say what the fuck. > > "Oh they don't make them anymore. We can't get anymore." > > Why didn't you tell me this THURSDAY! > > > > AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAURRRRRRGHHH!!!!!! > > > > ______________________________________________________ > > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From ???@??? Tue Oct 13 20:54:18 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id WAA02642; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 22:42:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 22:42:20 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <36240EA2.76BDB5B0@stic.net> Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 21:38:26 -0500 From: "James H. Sidlo" Organization: James H. Sidlo X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Space Groove References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"dMsyg1.0.tG.nr09s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2093 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Todd Madson wrote: > I dunno about you, but I kind of like Space Groove. It's great > music for driving, that's for sure, especially if you are on a > rather long trip. > What label is this, "Space Groove" on? Discipline records? Is it > available domestically stateside? Thanks, James > It's also rather interesting in that on that first track, Fripp > gets to solo until his brain falls out (I've finally decided that > this is Fripp instead of Gunn as there are several obvious > Fernandes Sustainor bits in there, as well as some Digitech Whammy > pedal usage). > > Yes, it's not heavily composed and maybe not recorded with an air > of "THIS IS A VERY IMPORTANT RECORDING" about it, but it's sort of > rare to hear Fripp in a "jamming" situation, where he's obviously > improvising over a groove (I don't think Thrakattack counts...) > > It sounds fun to me - for that, I like it. I'm waiting for the > next real King Crimson project for "next generation" innovation. > > -t From ???@??? Tue Oct 13 20:54:22 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id XAA10481; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 23:46:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 23:46:16 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <36241D71.D09C7821@stic.net> Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 22:41:37 -0500 From: "James H. Sidlo" Organization: James H. Sidlo X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Space Groove References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"DvS4h3.0.TG2.-m19s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2095 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Patrick Smith wrote: > James Sidlo wrote:. > >> What label is this, "Space Groove" on? Discipline records? Is it > >> available domestically stateside? Thanks, James > > James it is released on DGM. ANd is available from Possible Productions. I > do not have their number handy, but if you search the web for Elephant > talk, I know that you can access DGM"S site from their. > > AS to the content of Space Groove, yes it''s not ground breaking music, but > how much music is? I do enjoy listening to it myself. It's fun. > > Patrick > Thanks, James > Now Available: > FingerPaint Primary Colors: BLUE > > A guitar-synth looping duo of dark illbience and dreamy ambience. > Shockwave audio featuring our newest release Primary Colors:Blue > > www.fingerpaint.net From ???@??? Tue Oct 13 21:04:25 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id XAA11009; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 23:50:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 23:50:20 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <36241E1B.97F4C925@stic.net> Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 22:44:28 -0500 From: "James H. Sidlo" Organization: James H. Sidlo X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Space Groove References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Bdw7h1.0.vL2.ep19s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2096 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Patrick Smith wrote: > James Sidlo wrote:. > >> What label is this, "Space Groove" on? Discipline records? Is it > >> available domestically stateside? Thanks, James > > James it is released on DGM. ANd is available from Possible Productions. I > do not have their number handy, but if you search the web for Elephant > talk, I know that you can access DGM"S site from their. > > AS to the content of Space Groove, yes it''s not ground breaking music, but > how much music is? I do enjoy listening to it myself. It's fun. > > Patrick > > Now Available: > FingerPaint Primary Colors: BLUE > > A guitar-synth looping duo of dark illbience and dreamy ambience. > Shockwave audio featuring our newest release Primary Colors:Blue > > www.fingerpaint.net Hello Patrick, Would you be interested in trading cds. Samples from the "Crevice 2" cd are on my web site: www.stic.net/users/jameshsidlo. Best, James From ???@??? Wed Oct 14 11:19:49 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id FAA12223; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 05:23:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 05:23:00 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <000801bdf753$7a6f4260$3c4a8581@jkudler.stu.wesleyan.edu> From: "Jesse Kudler" To: Subject: Vortex for cheap Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 05:17:33 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Resent-Message-ID: <"rw7222.0.Cs2._i69s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2098 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hey all! Someone is selling a Lexicon Vortex at Harmony Central for a mere $125. Go to www.harmonycentral.com and then to the effects classifieds. The ad looks like it just went up (dated 10/13). There's also an older ad for a $200 one. -Jesse From ???@??? Wed Oct 14 11:19:54 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id HAA21517; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 07:40:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 07:40:28 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19981014082607.00957800@fuzzy.brooknorth.com> X-Sender: howard@fuzzy.brooknorth.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 08:26:07 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Howard Harawitz Subject: RE: Problem getting Echoplexes In-Reply-To: <98Oct13.184721cdt.26890@gateway.gibson.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"2IRCw3.0.u-4.re89s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2099 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi, RE: >"Oh they don't make them anymore. We can't get anymore." Stories like that are a real deterrent to ordering the product. A dealer I spoke to -- whom I subsequently learned was the Canadian distributor for Echoplex -- also spoke of unreliable delivery, didn't give me a firm price, wanted a 10% downpayment (never required on any other product I have ordered), and urged patience. I have had either no response, or a negative one, from other dealers that I have written to -- including 8th Street Music, which was mentioned on this list. After trying for over a week, I am still unable to find an Echoplex in stock. Yet Dino Cattaneo, from Gibson, writes: >That information is incorrect. The Echoplex is still made and sold, and >currently in stock. If Musician's Friend places an order with us they >should be able to get one fairly quickly. Or, more colorfully: >That's bullshit. Oberheim has them in stock and is shipping to dealers >regularly. I talked to them about it just the other day. What gives? Why does there seem to be so much confusion about this? Can we place a group buy of Echoplexes at a good price -- either from a dealer or directly from Gibson -- through the list? Should I pick up a Lexicon JamMan that I was offered instead? Buying it would be hassle free and it would certainly cost less. Thanks, Howard At 06:46 PM 10/13/98 -0500, you wrote: >That information is incorrect. The Echoplex is still made and sold, and >currently in stock. If Musician's Friend places an order with us they >should be able to get one fairly quickly. > >-----Original Message----- >From: Joseph Buck [mailto:josephbuck@hotmail.com] >Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 1998 6:30 PM >To: dcattane@gibson.com >Subject: Musician's Friend? > > >OK gotta vent here- > >Have been talking and haggling with Musician's Friend since Thursday >over an Echoplex. They agree to send it overnight yesterday. I got it at >3:30. But only the foot pedal. >I call them up to say what the fuck. >"Oh they don't make them anymore. We can't get anymore." >Why didn't you tell me this THURSDAY! > >AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAURRRRRRGHHH!!!!!! > > > > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > > ========================================================== Howard Harawitz howard@brooknorth.com ========================================================== Brooklyn North Software Works Inc. Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada Telephone: 1-902-423-0257 ========================================================== Check the Halifax Harbor Cam: http://www.brooknorth.com/camsite/ From ???@??? Tue Oct 13 11:57:41 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id KAA21418; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 10:21:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 10:21:11 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199810131325.JAA28263@shell.monmouth.com> Reply-To: From: "andre" To: Subject: Re: Space Groove Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 09:25:47 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Peuyw.0.ue3.3Lr8s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2080 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > I dunno about you, but I kind of like Space Groove. It's great > music for driving, that's for sure, especially if you are on a > rather long trip. i don't really recall anyone saying they "don't like space groove", but rather that we have to have some kinda gauge of excellence - if everything is 'awesome' (not your words), then we're stuck with nowhere to go. It's just not as good as it woulda been if they had released stuff from , say, the 4th or 5th rehearsal instead of the first. anyone who saw the excellent shows will vouch for that. andre' From ???@??? Wed Oct 14 11:20:03 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id JAA02278; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 09:50:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 09:50:00 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Jim_M_Shepherd@tivoli.com X-Lotus-FromDomain: TIVOLI SYSTEMS To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-ID: <8625669D.004989DF.00@MTA-Austin2.tivoli.com> Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 08:29:15 -0500 Subject: RE: Problem getting Echoplexes Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"aTJR03.0._u7.WUA9s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2100 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi Howard, FWIW, my opinion is that you should slog through and wait for the EDP. I got mine (finally) from Banana's At Large, after waiting about a month. Definitely worth the wait, and the hassle. Just my 2 cents, Jim Howard Harawitz on 10/14/98 06:26:07 AM Please respond to Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com cc: (bcc: Jim M Shepherd/Tivoli Systems) Subject: RE: Problem getting Echoplexes What gives? Why does there seem to be so much confusion about this? Can we place a group buy of Echoplexes at a good price -- either from a dealer or directly from Gibson -- through the list? Should I pick up a Lexicon JamMan that I was offered instead? Buying it would be hassle free and it would certainly cost less. Thanks, From ???@??? Wed Oct 14 11:20:06 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id JAA04101; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 09:59:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 09:59:00 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <98Oct14.084419cdt.26890@gateway.gibson.com> From: Dino Cattaneo To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Problem getting Echoplexes Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 08:43:39 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"kOW001.0.VS.LjA9s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2101 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Echoplexes are in stock at Oberheim/Electar. We are shipping them as we speak to dealers who order them. -----Original Message----- From: Howard Harawitz [mailto:howard@brooknorth.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 1998 6:26 AM To: dcattane@gibson.com Subject: RE: Problem getting Echoplexes Hi, RE: >"Oh they don't make them anymore. We can't get anymore." Stories like that are a real deterrent to ordering the product. A dealer I spoke to -- whom I subsequently learned was the Canadian distributor for Echoplex -- also spoke of unreliable delivery, didn't give me a firm price, wanted a 10% downpayment (never required on any other product I have ordered), and urged patience. I have had either no response, or a negative one, from other dealers that I have written to -- including 8th Street Music, which was mentioned on this list. After trying for over a week, I am still unable to find an Echoplex in stock. Yet Dino Cattaneo, from Gibson, writes: >That information is incorrect. The Echoplex is still made and sold, and >currently in stock. If Musician's Friend places an order with us they >should be able to get one fairly quickly. Or, more colorfully: >That's bullshit. Oberheim has them in stock and is shipping to dealers >regularly. I talked to them about it just the other day. What gives? Why does there seem to be so much confusion about this? Can we place a group buy of Echoplexes at a good price -- either from a dealer or directly from Gibson -- through the list? Should I pick up a Lexicon JamMan that I was offered instead? Buying it would be hassle free and it would certainly cost less. Thanks, Howard At 06:46 PM 10/13/98 -0500, you wrote: >That information is incorrect. The Echoplex is still made and sold, and >currently in stock. If Musician's Friend places an order with us they >should be able to get one fairly quickly. > >-----Original Message----- >From: Joseph Buck [mailto:josephbuck@hotmail.com] >Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 1998 6:30 PM >To: dcattane@gibson.com >Subject: Musician's Friend? > > >OK gotta vent here- > >Have been talking and haggling with Musician's Friend since Thursday >over an Echoplex. They agree to send it overnight yesterday. I got it at >3:30. But only the foot pedal. >I call them up to say what the fuck. >"Oh they don't make them anymore. We can't get anymore." >Why didn't you tell me this THURSDAY! > >AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAURRRRRRGHHH!!!!!! > > > > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > > ========================================================== Howard Harawitz howard@brooknorth.com ========================================================== Brooklyn North Software Works Inc. Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada Telephone: 1-902-423-0257 ========================================================== Check the Halifax Harbor Cam: http://www.brooknorth.com/camsite/ From ???@??? Wed Oct 14 11:20:34 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id NAA12625; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 13:44:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 13:44:03 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <2148EC143F29D1118BE000805FC13CD067ECC3@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: StALiQ gigs . . . Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 12:25:21 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Resent-Message-ID: <"8pd_j.0.eL2.5yD9s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2102 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Howdy Y'all, Just a (short?) note to let you know about two gigs coming up. StALiQ is Steuart Liebig, ContraBassguitars and effects/loopage; Alex Cline, Percussion; Jeff Gautheir, Violins; Eric Barber, Clarinets and Saxophones. Playing new music by Steuart Liebig. 20 October 1998, 8:00 p.m. at the Faultlines Series with KAM FONG AS CHIN HO (Arthur Jarvinen and Ryan Francesconi) This duo made their debut last April at Roulette (NYC). This will be their first L.A. appearance. (I've heard these guys separately - - they do some pretty interesting things with sound) 24th Street Theatre 1117 W. 24th Street, Los Angeles, CA (off Hoover, just south of the 10 fwy) (213) 667-0417 Admission is $12/$6 for students/seniors 24 October 1998, 8:00 p.m. at Spruce Street Forum 301 Spruce Street San Diego, CA 92103 (619) 295-0301 Admission is $12/$10 for students Hope to see you there s From ???@??? Wed Oct 14 11:33:07 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id OAA17192; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 14:07:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 14:07:50 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3624E561.2E33362D@dial.pipex.com> Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 18:54:41 +0100 From: Gareth Whittock X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com CC: Loopers-Delight-d@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Ancient recordings References: <199810140708.DAA01387@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Fg6UM2.0.kb3.tLE9s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2103 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fascinating but how is this a recording. I'd like to visit the site myself. What a great place to do a gig!! Of course you'd have to assess the frequencies produced and adjust your key accordingly. Incidentally I've heard of someone trying to extract audio from Roman pottery. The theory is that as the potter's wheel turned, the hand of the potter slid down the outside of the pot acting as an acoustic pickup. Similar to a wax cylinder. This would harden to produce a recording of the room assuming the more or less constant speed of the potter's wheel ;) > THE Mayans may have made the world's first audio recording a thousand years ago. This is the claim of an acoustics engineer who says > the properties of echoes produced by Mayan pyramids suggest they were built to copy the cry of sacred birds. From ???@??? Wed Oct 14 15:03:28 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id PAA02291; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 15:45:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 15:45:29 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19981014192629.23490.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [204.74.108.99] From: "Joseph Buck" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: ECHOPLEX Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 12:26:28 PDT Resent-Message-ID: <"mhNF-1.0.4m7.5jF9s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2105 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hola- Thanks one and all for their words of encouragement. I find the lack of support, and knowledge for this product breathtaking. I understand it is a chicken and the egg kind of thing, its different, its price point is high for something that is different, and with its history folks just don't want to have them... Here however were my real issues. 1) they said that they had one in stock. 2) i was going to start working with it over this long weekend for a project in two weeks. 3) now if I am lucky I may get it in 3. man selam, Buck ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From ???@??? Wed Oct 14 15:03:27 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id PAA02241; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 15:45:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 15:45:15 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3624FB40.3091@mdbs.com> Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 14:28:01 -0500 From: "Dennis W. Leas" X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win95; U) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Ancient recordings References: <199810140708.DAA01387@rosy.yourwebhost.com> <3624E561.2E33362D@dial.pipex.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"qKJEV3.0.cg7.bhF9s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2104 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Gareth Whittock wrote: > > Fascinating but how is this a recording. I'd say it's a recording with a very short self life. :) > Incidentally I've heard of someone trying to extract audio from Roman > pottery. > The theory is that as the potter's wheel turned, the hand of the potter > slid down the outside of the pot acting as an acoustic pickup. Similar > to a wax cylinder. This would harden to produce a recording of the room > assuming the more or less constant speed of the potter's wheel ;) Yes, definitely this idea earns a smiley. By the same principle, wouldn't a Roman aquaduct record the sounds of the countryside (with the bricklayer's hand acting as an acoustic pickup)? ;) > > > THE Mayans may have made the world's first audio recording a thousand years ago. This is the claim of an acoustics engineer who says > > the properties of echoes produced by Mayan pyramids suggest they were built to copy the cry of sacred birds. - Dennis Leas -- dennis@mdbs.com From ???@??? Wed Oct 14 15:03:30 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id QAA08509; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 16:17:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 16:17:00 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19981014165639.006eec70@fuzzy.brooknorth.com> X-Sender: howard@fuzzy.brooknorth.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 16:56:39 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Howard Harawitz Subject: Re: ECHOPLEX In-Reply-To: <19981014192629.23490.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"Xdrcc3.0.gB1.k9G9s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2106 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi, Someone who spoke to someone at Gibson, or even someone who works there, can post what they like in an email message to this list, but it certainly is not reassuring in light of the message excerpt below. I am extremely reluctant to order an Echoplex from anyone at this point. IMHO, if they are really interested in selling these things, Gibson/Oberheim needs to deal with these issues. Regards, Howard Buck wrote: .... >I understand it is a chicken and the egg kind of thing, its different, >its price point is high for something that is different, and with its >history folks just don't want to have them... > >Here however were my real issues. >1) they said that they had one in stock. >2) i was going to start working with it over this long weekend for a >project in two weeks. >3) now if I am lucky I may get it in 3. > >man .... ========================================================== Howard Harawitz howard@brooknorth.com ========================================================== Brooklyn North Software Works Inc. Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada Telephone: 1-902-423-0257 ========================================================== Check the Halifax Harbor Cam: http://www.brooknorth.com/camsite/ From ???@??? Wed Oct 14 15:03:34 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id QAA11866; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 16:37:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 16:37:53 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <2C396693FBDED111AEF60000F84104A71A6561@indyexch_fddi.indy.tce.com> From: Hoover Alan To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Ancient recordings Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 15:01:22 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"ew0fo1.0.UG2.dVG9s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2107 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Cute idea, but it just doesn't withstand scrutiny. -----Original Message----- From: Gareth Whittock [mailto:whiteoak@dial.pipex.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 1998 12:55 PM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Cc: Loopers-Delight-d@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Ancient recordings Fascinating but how is this a recording. I'd like to visit the site myself. What a great place to do a gig!! Of course you'd have to assess the frequencies produced and adjust your key accordingly. Incidentally I've heard of someone trying to extract audio from Roman pottery. The theory is that as the potter's wheel turned, the hand of the potter slid down the outside of the pot acting as an acoustic pickup. Similar to a wax cylinder. This would harden to produce a recording of the room assuming the more or less constant speed of the potter's wheel ;) > THE Mayans may have made the world's first audio recording a thousand years ago. This is the claim of an acoustics engineer who says > the properties of echoes produced by Mayan pyramids suggest they were built to copy the cry of sacred birds. From ???@??? Wed Oct 14 15:03:35 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id QAA12426; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 16:40:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 16:40:34 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <36250844.54D4510A@bellsouth.net> Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 16:23:32 -0400 From: Jeff Duke X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.07 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Ancient recordings References: <199810140708.DAA01387@rosy.yourwebhost.com> <3624E561.2E33362D@dial.pipex.com> <3624FB40.3091@mdbs.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"8RCjd3.0.bJ2.jWG9s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2108 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I believe that it was not the hand, but a piece of straw used for design on the sides of pottery. I have heard the recordings on tv, maybe pbs. They captured the sounds of the marketplace ,etc. Jeff Dennis W. Leas wrote: > Gareth Whittock wrote: > > > > Fascinating but how is this a recording. > > I'd say it's a recording with a very short self life. :) > > > Incidentally I've heard of someone trying to extract audio from Roman > > pottery. > > The theory is that as the potter's wheel turned, the hand of the potter > > slid down the outside of the pot acting as an acoustic pickup. Similar > > to a wax cylinder. This would harden to produce a recording of the room > > assuming the more or less constant speed of the potter's wheel ;) > > Yes, definitely this idea earns a smiley. By the same principle, wouldn't a Roman aquaduct > record the sounds of the countryside (with the bricklayer's hand acting as an acoustic > pickup)? ;) > > > > > > THE Mayans may have made the world's first audio recording a thousand years ago. This is the claim of an acoustics engineer who says > > > the properties of echoes produced by Mayan pyramids suggest they were built to copy the cry of sacred birds. > > - Dennis Leas > -- > dennis@mdbs.com From ???@??? Wed Oct 14 15:03:36 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id QAA13644; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 16:46:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 16:46:43 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Wjguitar@aol.com Message-ID: <11de75d6.3625090b@aol.com> Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 16:26:51 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: ECHOPLEX Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 170 Resent-Message-ID: <"_fMrp1.0.DZ2.DcG9s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2109 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com If you want to order Echoplex with or without the footpedal controller, and memory expansions, you can order them through Long & McQuade in Pine Brook, N.J. Dino at Gibson/Oberheim has indicated that units are in stock and are available for quick shipment. They are an Oberheim dealer. You might also try ordering them through Dave Phillips Music in Phillipsburg, NJ...908-454-3313....ask for Dave Phillips , Steve or Pete. I understand that Gibson dealers can now supply these products...Dave Phillips is a Gibson dealer. Sam Ash or Manny's in NY or the NJ offices, or Guitar Center for that matter should also be able to supply them. I just got two units to use in stereo (master/slave) with upgraded memory and foot controller..the units are a gas...I particularly like the fact that I can have a verse and chorus of different lengths, and switch between loops. I couldn't do that with my Jamman! Dino at Gibson/Oberheim has been of great help to me in getting my units...complete with pretty good manuals. They're available if you have problems, or questions. Dino is a member of this Loopers list too....DCattane@gibson.com. He's a good guy, and willing to assist. I highly recommend the product, and considering what it does for me, I'll get a return on investment in no time...particularly since I don't need to have a rhythm guitarist with me on my solo gigs...and I'm free to improvise. I love it for my coffee house gig. Regards, Wayne Wesley Johnson From ???@??? Wed Oct 14 15:03:38 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id QAA15929; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 16:57:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 16:57:46 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Jim_M_Shepherd@tivoli.com X-Lotus-FromDomain: TIVOLI SYSTEMS To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-ID: <8625669D.0070B1C7.00@MTA-Austin2.tivoli.com> Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 15:36:53 -0500 Subject: Re: ECHOPLEX Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"0q0Fi3.0.Sz2.dlG9s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2110 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Howard, Why blame Gibson/Oberheim for a promise made by Musician's Friend? I can certainly understand Buck's frustration. I don't like it when people lie (intentionally or no) to me either. My own experience with Banana's at Large was very positive. They where honest about the wait when I ordered and they phoned me the day they shipped it out, giving me the UPS tracking number so I could watch it crawl towards me. That said, you should only plunk down the (considerable) pile of cash for the EDP if you think it will meet your needs. ranting yet again, Jim Howard Harawitz on 10/14/98 02:56:39 PM Please respond to Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com cc: (bcc: Jim M Shepherd/Tivoli Systems) Subject: Re: ECHOPLEX Hi, Someone who spoke to someone at Gibson, or even someone who works there, can post what they like in an email message to this list, but it certainly is not reassuring in light of the message excerpt below. I am extremely reluctant to order an Echoplex from anyone at this point. IMHO, if they are really interested in selling these things, Gibson/Oberheim needs to deal with these issues. Regards, Howard Buck wrote: .... >I understand it is a chicken and the egg kind of thing, its different, >its price point is high for something that is different, and with its >history folks just don't want to have them... > >Here however were my real issues. >1) they said that they had one in stock. >2) i was going to start working with it over this long weekend for a >project in two weeks. >3) now if I am lucky I may get it in 3. > >man .... ========================================================== Howard Harawitz howard@brooknorth.com ========================================================== Brooklyn North Software Works Inc. Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada Telephone: 1-902-423-0257 ========================================================== Check the Halifax Harbor Cam: http://www.brooknorth.com/camsite/ From ???@??? Wed Oct 14 20:51:05 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id SAA27757; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 18:07:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 18:07:20 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19981014214909.15101.rocketmail@send105.yahoomail.com> Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 14:49:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Bret Subject: Re: ECHOPLEX To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"cM0T02.0.RB6.NoH9s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2111 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com ---Howard Harawitz wrote: > > Hi, > (snip) >I am extremely > reluctant to order an Echoplex from anyone at this point. IMHO, if they are > really interested in selling these things, Gibson/Oberheim needs to deal > with these issues. > > Regards, > > Howard > As an owner of 3 Echoplex digital pros, my take is that this is not a Gibson/Oberheim issue. Rather, it is an issue with who you choose to buy the EDP (or anything else) from, whether you ask them if they have it in stock, whether you ask when it will ship, and whether they are honest with you. As of last week, Robbs music in Boulder, CO. USA (303 443-8448) had 2 EDP and 1 footpedal in stock, ready to sell. They told me $700 for the EDP and $135 for the footpedal. They told me they would match price. I found Bannan's at Large (don't remember which store) had them for $699 and $109 for the footpedal, and they too would also match the best price you find (they had 2 in stock). So, find your price, call Robbs or Banana's at Large, or whoever, ask the right questions, deal with the store that you believe you can trust. If they lie (and do not ship on time), then you have recourse to cancel the order and go somewhere else. Oberheim/Gibson cannot possible control what any given salesman/phone order person at all dealers will tell you (or not tell you, if you don't ask). Dino and Mike at Gibson/oberheim have always responded to my requests promptly and honestly. The EDP is remarkable, I have owned 2 Jammen, and also have a boomerang phrase sampler. Not to start a "which is better" argument, the EDP has capabilities that I find extremely useful, and more suited to my needs and interests than the other 2. In my experience, it is no more difficult to find and buy an EDP than a boomerang, and is easier than buying a Jamman (as it is discontinued). If you want to get frustrated with a manufacturer, ask Electro Harmonics when the 16 second delay will again be available ;-) bret _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From ???@??? Wed Oct 14 20:51:24 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id UAA13817; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 20:12:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 20:12:40 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19981014234950.5711.rocketmail@send1d.yahoomail.com> Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 16:49:50 -0700 (PDT) From: robert kolosowski Subject: Re: Ancient recordings To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"Gh0mo3.0._R2.CaJ9s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2113 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com My grandmother's ramblings (I believe) are the first evidence of Ancient recordings, same thing day after day after day ... Fortunately she has limited RAM. == Robert Kolosowski Kolosoro@Yahoo.com _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From ???@??? Wed Oct 14 20:51:36 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id VAA29332; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 21:56:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 21:56:42 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Fmplautus@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 21:41:13 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Ancient recordings Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 241 Resent-Message-ID: <"PBlBs.0.Si6.uCL9s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2114 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com You wrote... "My grandmother's ramblings (I believe) are the first evidence of Ancient recordings, same thing day after day after day ... Fortunately she has limited RAM." Unfortunately, we all have limited RAM. From ???@??? Wed Oct 14 20:51:10 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id SAA01391; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 18:50:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 18:50:10 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19981014184142.007b5180@mindspring.com> X-Sender: zanga@mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 18:41:42 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Rik Myers Subject: RE: Problem getting Echoplexes In-Reply-To: <98Oct14.084419cdt.26890@gateway.gibson.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"98Uji2.0.Qv7.7YI9s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2112 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >Can we place a group buy of Echoplexes at a good price -- either from a >dealer or directly from Gibson -- through the list? Should I pick up a >Lexicon JamMan that I was offered instead? Buying it would be hassle free >and it would certainly cost less. > >Thanks, > >Howard Good idea, Howard. I'd be into it. Anybody else interested in checking for interest in a group buy? Hasta -> Rik (Dr Rico) From ???@??? Wed Oct 14 23:54:57 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id BAA20844; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 01:12:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 01:12:12 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19981014165639.006eec70@fuzzy.brooknorth.com> References: <19981014192629.23490.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 21:54:23 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: ECHOPLEX Resent-Message-ID: <"ZOI9l3.0.qh4.T3O9s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2115 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I think Buck's issue was clearly with Musician's Friend, not Gibson, but anyway.... At 12:56 PM -0700 10/14/98, Howard Harawitz wrote: >Someone who spoke to someone at Gibson, or even someone who works there, >can post what they like in an email message to this list, but it certainly >is not reassuring in light of the message excerpt below. I am extremely >reluctant to order an Echoplex from anyone at this point. IMHO, if they are >really interested in selling these things, Gibson/Oberheim needs to deal >with these issues. The "Someone who spoke to someone at Gibson" was me, one of the echoplex developers, speaking to the General Manager of the division that produces the echoplex. The "someone who works there" was Dino Cattaneo, who is/was(I think he's switching) product manager for the echoplex and other Oberheim products at Gibson. I don't think you could get much more direct info than that! ....most dealers are probably not that well connected. That's the value of lists like this, manufacturers take them seriously enough to put real representatives here. (maybe more dealers should do the same....) As far as Gibson dealing with these issues with dealers, they have been very aggressive on that front and deserve credit for that. I think the reactions you are hearing from some places are due to the chaos that was Oberheim a year and a half ago. Some people haven't forgotten the problems of those days, and you can hardly blame them. However, since then Gibson has completely turned things around with the echoplex. They've been pumping them out and meeting all Oberheim dealer requests for some time now. They've also been very good with customer support, another big change. And more recently, Gibson switched the Echoplex to a different division that is better equiped to handle it than Oberheim was. They will now be selling it through all Gibson dealers, rather than just Oberheim dealers. That should considerably expand it's availability. Its night and day from the old OB dark ages! (year long waiting lists, nobody answering the phone, calls not returned, orders never filled, etc....remember that?) I think the evidence of this change is pretty apparent, as there are an awful lot of new echoplex owners appearing all of a sudden. If you encounter dealers who don't seem to be aware of these events, you might want to encourage them to check with Gibson again as some dealers might not be up to date on how much things have changed there. Or, perhaps you can take this opportunity to humiliate them with your superior knowledge of their own business. :-) Also, the fact that the Echoplex went from being a neglected and doomed product in Gibson's backwaters to to it's now increasingly significant and prominent position in their product line, with significant resources behind it, has a lot to do with the influence and pressure from this list. Y'all have the power to move mountains if you want to. I think though, it's time to exert that power on Musician's Friend and demand that they clean up their act as well! kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Thu Oct 15 02:07:21 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id CAA30337; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 02:51:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 02:51:54 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Reply-To: From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: Subject: RE: Ancient recordings Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 23:39:24 -0700 Message-ID: <001201bdf806$8d90a100$2d32dacf@stepheng> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 In-Reply-To: <36250844.54D4510A@bellsouth.net> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <"EgQui3.0.JD7.zZP9s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2116 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This business with clay sounds suspiciously similar to one of the "well-known facts" brought to light in the Firesign Theatre's "Everything You Know Is Wrong," amongst them: Our forefathers took drugs! The Aztecs invented the vacation! and Your brain may not be the boss! No, no, but almost seriously, folks, one of the interesting bits in this marvelous video (which was also a record) involves the playing of a wire recording allegedly dating back to post-Civil War days... Interesting that wire recorders are still used too, in the Black Boxes we hear about being retrieved, all too often. Stephen GoodmanÊ -Ê It's... The Loop Of The Week (Roddy McDowell)! EarthLight StudiosÊ -Ê http://www.earthlight.net/Studios From ???@??? Thu Oct 15 11:33:40 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id FAA08266; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 05:30:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 05:30:32 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 10:18:13 +0100 (BST) From: Jim Carter To: list server loopers delight Subject: EDP bulk purchase Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"19t7E.0.Rv1.hwR9s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2117 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I think the idea of a loopers delight bulk Echoplex purchase is most excellent. I would certainly like another unit (well really I'd like two but lets see what sort of price we can get). Surely Gibson/Oberheim will deal with an esteamed organisation such as this group. Now one question - if/when the group purchases, say, ten units will someone be good enough to post one to the UK labelled "old newspapers / no commercial value" 'cos the import duty is a killer (nearly 100 pounds on my other one). Jim Carter Currently reading - Improvisation - Derek Bailey Just read - Pilgrim's Regress - CS Lewis - McLibel, burger culture on trail Currently listening - old tapes of me + others Currently playing - Virtual Springfield (Now we're talking insiration!!) From ???@??? Thu Oct 15 11:33:55 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id IAA22382; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 08:12:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 08:12:47 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: ANET@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 07:57:15 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Group buy Echoplex Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 170 Resent-Message-ID: <"5fezk2.0.475.XEU9s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2118 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I'd be interersted in a group buy of Echoplexes. From ???@??? Thu Oct 15 11:34:39 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id KAA02683; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 10:05:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 10:05:58 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: aden@pop.ne.mediaone.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 09:51:09 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Aden Evens Subject: Re: EDP bulk purchase Resent-Message-ID: <"4mnJM1.0.c6.3tV9s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2119 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I'll bite if the price is right. ### ## ### Aden ### ## ### From ???@??? Thu Oct 15 16:32:40 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id SAA11285; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 18:02:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 18:02:49 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 16:19:36 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: patrick@his.com (Patrick Smith) Subject: Re: EDP bulk purchase Resent-Message-ID: <"4_P661.0.ZQ2.6yc9s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2129 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Been thinking about buying on of these babies recently, so I am definately interested in a group buy. I suspect that there are business reasons why Gibson will not wish to do this and I can certainly understand and probaly even respect those reasons. BUT IF a deal is available I'm certain that I and my partner in sound Steev Geest will be interested in adding at least one unit each to our battery of gear for FingerPaint. Whadda think Dino? Patrick Now Available: FingerPaint Primary Colors: BLUE A guitar-synth looping duo of dark illbience and dreamy ambience. Shockwave audio featuring our newest release Primary Colors:Blue www.fingerpaint.net From ???@??? Thu Oct 15 11:34:49 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id KAA08463; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 10:43:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 10:43:38 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199810151424.KAA27080@ulster.net> Subject: EDP availability and pre-caffiene thoughts Date: Thu, 15 Oct 98 10:24:06 -0500 x-sender: evening@pop.ulster.net x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: evening To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <"IX08V2.0.jN1.YNW9s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2120 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Just to throw another 2 cents in the mix...( my god....metaphor salad) Mike Ayers - Oberheim customer service said: "Dealer orders rec'd for the EDP are usually shipped the next day." Which made me happy since I hope to have mine soon. A group purchase would be cool, but I imagine it would have to be through a Gibson products dealer. I doubt they would let us jump over their dealer network, even as influential, handsome and creative as I imagine all on this list to be (myself excluded until I actually get my looper...). I've really been feeling comfortable on this list - there's alot of interesting ideas & discussions, most everybodys list of influences is similar to mine and there's not a huge volume of "complaint mail" - (because the products that everyone uses work well). I've also been visiting the various loopers home pages and checking RA files - there's some great music. peace, jmw From ???@??? Thu Oct 15 11:35:07 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id LAA19068; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 11:50:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 11:50:02 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 08:29:14 -0700 Message-ID: <0013A223.CE21407@wj.com> From: Mike.Biffle@wj.com (Mike Biffle) Subject: Re: Fripp nerves To: , "andre" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Resent-Message-ID: <"Eg-QQ1.0.G84.NRX9s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2122 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > Author: "andre" at INTERNET > whew what a shitstorm > again - the AXIOMS are proven: > "Thou shalt never make a measured, clear comment on Fripp that is not > unabashed praise" > "Thou shalt never try to discuss gradations in quality of Fripp's music" > I said the music is fine - my comments were about the response of the > press/fans - i found it a bit extreme to say the least.... i'm just not > gonna be a auto-pilot fan - where all material by my hero is the greatest > thing, period, at all times. and guess - what!!! Fripp doesn't think > everything he does is at the same level of amazing excellence!!! Regarding the numerous comments about how P2 somehow doesn't live up to Fripp's highest level of work... calling it "fusion-like noodling"... "not groundbreaking" etc. Are there any of you out there who actually prefer looser "open" jamming and minimal imposed structure? Possibly with each member bringing their own compositional ideas in the form of "surprises" which they employ at random in response to the nature of the improv? I don't personally have "Space Groove" yet (but will)... I saw the Santa Cruz show and thought it was spectacular... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Miko Biffle "Running scared from all the usual distractions" mike.biffle@wj.com From ???@??? Thu Oct 15 11:35:14 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id MAA22105; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 12:08:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 12:08:06 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <36261BA8.21D3@mdbs.com> Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 10:58:32 -0500 From: "Dennis W. Leas" X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win95; U) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Problem getting Echoplexes References: <3.0.5.32.19981014184142.007b5180@mindspring.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"mkPou.0.Ey4.qiX9s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2123 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Rik Myers wrote: > > Good idea, Howard. I'd be into it. Anybody else interested in checking for > interest in a group buy? Depending on the price, I'm interested! - Dennis Leas -- dennis@mdbs.com From ???@??? Thu Oct 15 11:35:17 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id MAA27824; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 12:37:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 12:37:05 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <362624AB.2AD0@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 09:37:00 -0700 From: scott kungha drengsen X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-MACOS8 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Group buy Echoplex References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"fNkJM3.0.hH6.W9Y9s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2124 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com ME TOO!!!!! From ???@??? Thu Oct 15 11:35:32 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id NAA00631; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 13:09:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 13:09:53 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 09:48:56 -0700 Message-ID: <0013A399.CE21407@wj.com> From: Mike.Biffle@wj.com (Mike Biffle) Subject: Re[495]: Group buy Echoplex (ad nauseum) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Resent-Message-ID: <"vP4wN1.0.hY7.1aY9s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2125 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >ME TOO!!!!! Loop futures: The new wave for the savvy investor! No beans here! This is better than Cheese Whiz... Get 'em now! I'll take a gross of 'em! Availability? Who cares! Place an order... You wacky loopers! Let's all hold hands in cosmic adoration of each other's loop noodles! Gimme a hug! I'll stop gushing now. -Miko From ???@??? Fri Oct 16 01:06:34 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id VAA08440; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 21:40:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 21:40:23 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 19:57:08 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: patrick@his.com (Patrick Smith) Subject: Re: EDP bulk purchase Resent-Message-ID: <"nI0Be2.0._j1.u7g9s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2137 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi Jeff, I'll have Steev check it out. That's his area of expertise. I stuff CD"s into envelopes and stuff like that.... Sigh Patrick>say Patrick, I have not been able to play your shockwave, is it down or am I? >actually I was able to play it awhile back but not now and my plugin is >working. > >thanks, > >Jeff > Now Available: FingerPaint Primary Colors: BLUE A guitar-synth looping duo of dark illbience and dreamy ambience. Shockwave audio featuring our newest release Primary Colors:Blue www.fingerpaint.net From ???@??? Thu Oct 15 16:32:19 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id PAA21948; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 15:52:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 15:52:37 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19981015162715.006f6ec0@fuzzy.brooknorth.com> X-Sender: howard@fuzzy.brooknorth.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 16:27:15 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Howard Harawitz Subject: Re: ECHOPLEX In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.1.32.19981014165639.006eec70@fuzzy.brooknorth.com> <19981014192629.23490.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"JZR_G1.0.kM4.Nqa9s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2126 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi, RE: At 09:54 PM 10/14/98 -0700, you wrote: >I think Buck's issue was clearly with Musician's Friend, not Gibson, but >anyway.... .... etc. Thanks Kim and everybody who responded to my concerns about finding and purchasing an Echoplex. Your message certainly puts things into perspective. I certainly didn't mean to disparage anything that Kim or Dino had posted to the list. I apologize if I gave that impression. It's just that I am a newbie here, and found the contradictory postings, along with my own experience, somewhat frustrating and disconcerting. I ook forward to becoming an Echoplex owner. There does seem to be an interest in a group buy. How would we go about putting something like that together? Regards and thanks again, Howard ========================================================== Howard Harawitz howard@brooknorth.com ========================================================== Brooklyn North Software Works Inc. Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada Telephone: 1-902-423-0257 ========================================================== Check the Halifax Harbor Cam: http://www.brooknorth.com/camsite/ From ???@??? Thu Oct 15 16:32:19 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id PAA22495; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 15:54:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 15:54:47 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19981015163613.006bd8bc@fuzzy.brooknorth.com> X-Sender: howard@fuzzy.brooknorth.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 16:36:13 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Howard Harawitz Subject: Re: Re[495]: Group buy Echoplex (ad nauseum) In-Reply-To: <0013A399.CE21407@wj.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"g2MDI.0.Kk4.oya9s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2127 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >Gimme a hug! Er, do you mean a 'loop' hug? ========================================================== Howard Harawitz howard@brooknorth.com ========================================================== Brooklyn North Software Works Inc. Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada Telephone: 1-902-423-0257 ========================================================== Check the Halifax Harbor Cam: http://www.brooknorth.com/camsite/ From ???@??? Thu Oct 15 16:32:30 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id RAA05195; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 17:27:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 17:27:02 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: From: David Kirkdorffer To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Call for Papers: Improvising Across Borders -- Saturday April 10, 1999 Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 17:09:59 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"KWUWq2.0.6s.JNc9s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2128 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I came across this and thought there may be a few fo you interested in this.... >Please feel free to foward, print, or post. Thank you > >Call for Papers > >Improvising Across Borders > An inter-disciplinary symposium on >improvised music traditions > >Saturday April 10, 1999 > >Department of Music >The University of California San Diego > >The Critical Studies and Experimental Practices program in the Music >Department at the University of California, San Diego invites proposals for >papers and workshops to be presented at a one-day symposium on musical >improvisation. The symposium will include papers, panel discussions, >workshops and an evening concert. Our keynote speaker is distinguished >composer, performer and improviser, Pauline Oliveros. > >We encourage papers and workshops dealing with improvisation as it occurs >in any musical tradition, and we welcome proposals from musicologists, >ethnomusicologists, and musicians, and also from scholars in other >disciplines such as cultural studies, sociology, women's studies and >literature. We are interested not only in performative notions of >improvisation but also the cultural contexts that influence and shape >improvised traditions. > >Possible topics include: cultural location with regard to cross-cultural >trends in current music-making, the politics of reception, theorizing the >social and political implications of improvised traditions, the role of >gender and body, and the relationship of improvisation to current changes >in music - or other - pedagogies. > >Proposals should be a maximum of 250 words. Individual paper presentations >will be allotted 20 minutes. Length of workshops and panel discussions >will be determined once all proposals have been reviewed. > >Deadline for Proposals: 01 December 1998 > >Please send proposals to: > >University of California, San Diego >CS/EP Symposium >Department of Music, 0326 >9500 Gilman Drive >La Jolla, California 92093-0326 > >Further inquiries may be forwarded to either: > >Dana Reason (dreason@ucsd.edu) >Michael Dessen (mdessen@ucsd.edu) From ???@??? Thu Oct 15 16:32:44 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id SAA14106; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 18:20:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 18:20:58 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.32.19981015151644.006b8954@popper.simi-valley.tt.slb.com > X-Sender: cavaleri@popper.simi-valley.tt.slb.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 15:16:46 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Joe Cavaleri Subject: EDP bulk purchase Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"TT3VV.0.c53.SDd9s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2130 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I also doubt that a bulk purchase is probable. If it happens.., I'd be interested. joe From ???@??? Thu Oct 15 16:32:46 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id SAA16691; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 18:38:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 18:38:31 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Collins" To: Subject: Re: EDP bulk purchase Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 18:26:25 -0400 Message-ID: <01bdf88a$d884d080$e51bbfa8@0QHC6SIA> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"IP5M.0.Hh3.eSd9s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2131 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I'm interested in getting myself an Echoplex. It would be great to get a bulk purchase. Perhaps get a deal with a guitar shop to get the price at a little above dealer cost. I'm interested in being the one to do that. You can check out the website of the company i work for at... http://www.langmusic.com/ be advised that the site is old and we do not have the JamMan that is on there. If it was on there...I'd have it. By the way. I am working on Saturday and Monday. So if you wanna call and check it out...we can do that. Sincerely, Jeff Collins collinsclan@sprintmail.com From ???@??? Thu Oct 15 16:32:45 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id SAA17111; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 18:40:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 18:40:54 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <36267803.72A9EB57@bellsouth.net> Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 18:32:35 -0400 From: Jeff Duke X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.07 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: EDP bulk purchase References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"341U02.0.Lt3.qVd9s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2132 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I have been wanting one bad, so I am in if it happens. Jeff Patrick Smith wrote: > Been thinking about buying on of these babies recently, so I am definately > interested in a group buy. I suspect that there are business reasons why > Gibson will not wish to do this and I can certainly understand and probaly > even respect those reasons. > > BUT IF a deal is available I'm certain that I and my partner in sound Steev > Geest will be interested in adding at least one unit each to our battery of > gear for FingerPaint. > > Whadda think Dino? > > Patrick > > Now Available: > FingerPaint Primary Colors: BLUE > > A guitar-synth looping duo of dark illbience and dreamy ambience. > Shockwave audio featuring our newest release Primary Colors:Blue > > www.fingerpaint.net From ???@??? Fri Oct 16 01:06:29 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id SAA18419; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 18:48:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 18:48:13 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <362678F7.AF940153@bellsouth.net> Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 18:36:39 -0400 From: Jeff Duke X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.07 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: EDP bulk purchase References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Qb-i53.0.d04.dZd9s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2133 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com say Patrick, I have not been able to play your shockwave, is it down or am I? actually I was able to play it awhile back but not now and my plugin is working. thanks, Jeff Patrick Smith wrote: > Been thinking about buying on of these babies recently, so I am definately > interested in a group buy. I suspect that there are business reasons why > Gibson will not wish to do this and I can certainly understand and probaly > even respect those reasons. > > BUT IF a deal is available I'm certain that I and my partner in sound Steev > Geest will be interested in adding at least one unit each to our battery of > gear for FingerPaint. > > Whadda think Dino? > > Patrick > > Now Available: > FingerPaint Primary Colors: BLUE > > A guitar-synth looping duo of dark illbience and dreamy ambience. > Shockwave audio featuring our newest release Primary Colors:Blue > > www.fingerpaint.net From ???@??? Thu Oct 15 16:33:05 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id TAA22193; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 19:16:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 19:16:32 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19981015230211.26185.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [131.107.3.72] From: "Greg Sundberg" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: EDP bulk purchase Content-Type: text/plain Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 16:02:11 PDT Resent-Message-ID: <"F3w-J1.0.J65.ozd9s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2134 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Depending on price, I'd be interested as well. However I share the pessimistic (realistic?) view that Gibson/Oberheim probably cannot do this for various contractual issues they have with their distribution channel partners. The possibility remains that a bulk purchase discount could be obtained from a reseller. Maybe Musician's Friend? Buck, could you look into that? (I'm only kidding....) Of course a reseller might not want to discount that heavily when they need to ship dozens of units to separate addresses. The real question might be: What would you consider a good deal on an EDP and the FC? $500 for both? $600? What price makes it worth everyone's while. I have no idea what the mark-ups are and therefore how much room there is to maneuver. -Greg ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From ???@??? Fri Oct 16 01:06:26 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id TAA26972; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 19:48:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 19:48:51 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19981015233333.23966.rocketmail@send1d.yahoomail.com> Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 16:33:33 -0700 (PDT) From: robert kolosowski Subject: EDP bulk buy To: loopers -delight MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"i2Ic43.0.676.9Re9s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2135 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Out they go like Hot Cakes !! I'll have one too .. if it happens == Robert Kolosowski Kolosoro@Yahoo.com _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From ???@??? Fri Oct 16 01:06:31 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id VAA06365; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 21:24:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 21:24:27 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 21:16:29 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: paulpop@ssnet.com (Paul Poplawski, Ph.D.) Subject: Re: EDP bulk purchase Resent-Message-ID: <"kcaA43.0.wK1.ruf9s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2136 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com what is going on about this bulk purchase EDP deal? I must have missed the original email on this >I'm interested in getting myself an Echoplex. It would be great to get a >bulk purchase. Perhaps get a deal with a guitar shop to get the price at a >little above dealer cost. I'm interested in being the one to do that. You >can check out the website of the company i work for at... >http://www.langmusic.com/ >be advised that the site is old and we do not have the JamMan that is on >there. If it was on there...I'd have it. >By the way. I am working on Saturday and Monday. So if you wanna call and >check it out...we can do that. >Sincerely, >Jeff Collins >collinsclan@sprintmail.com Paul Poplawski, Ph.D. email = paulpop@ssnet.com or ppoplawski@state.de.us phone service = 302/737-4491 weekday office = 302/577-4980 From ???@??? Fri Oct 16 01:06:46 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id WAA14500; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 22:32:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 22:32:31 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3626ADF7.25EB@voicenet.com> Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 22:22:47 -0400 From: legion X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: need info on GR300 Help! References: <98Oct14.084419cdt.26890@gateway.gibson.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"cLTSt2.0.ZL3.-vg9s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2138 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I know it's not looping exactly but i but someone here can fill in the blanks on this creature. I have a chance to buy a GR300 (roland analog guitar synth) and GR303 controller (evidently the two cutaway "SG" type model). I have never played one of these and only know the hype: "It tracks really weel" "Fripp et all played them" What I'm looking for is some more indepth practical info on it. Or even the GR303 guitar for that matter. how is the tracking compared to a decent midi comtrller guitar (I use a casio MG series and like it but it's obviously not perfect) Anything I should look out for or check tomake sure it's 100%. I have a ton of synths (including polyphonic rolands and lots of analog monosynths and some modular stuff). Does this unit offer anything unique in sound or style that other synths and guitar/midi guitars in particular are missing? The price ain't low but it seem reasonable for such a rare piece. i just want to be sure I can use the sucker. Any info on insight appreciated. All I have right now is a JPG of the floor unit and no specs. I've tried two archives but didn't come up with much more. thanks for any/all help! From ???@??? Fri Oct 16 01:07:06 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id BAA30524; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 01:16:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 01:16:27 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19981016050234.26925.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [164.67.20.72] From: "Joseph Buck" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: EDP bulk purchase Content-Type: text/plain Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 22:02:33 PDT Resent-Message-ID: <"iHVFB2.0.kE7.eFj9s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2139 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com What have I wrought? Paul Revere ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From ???@??? Fri Oct 16 03:03:11 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id DAA09758; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 03:46:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 03:46:41 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: From: Jamie Lack To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: EDP bulk purchase Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 17:35:02 +1000 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"KmYEH.0.oA2.AUl9s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2140 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Joseph Buck [mailto:josephbuck@hotmail.com] > >Sent: Friday, October 16, 1998 3:03 PM > >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > >Subject: EDP bulk purchase > > > > > >What have I wrought? > > > > > >Paul Revere > > > >______________________________________________________ > >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > You have stirred EDP lobal brain activity.!! You have awakened the primordial loop in all of us.!! You have.. Oh... and I too would be interested in the group purchase. I have some suggestions on how this should be carried out. If the bulk purchase is made through a dealer, then a single trustworthy dealer\person should be the contact. All of the Echopli should be in stock at once if possible, and all of the funds should be transferred at around the same time. All of the Echopli should be maxxed out with memory, yes? As far as price goes, I would think that for a maxxed out EDP with foot controller, $600 would be a great buy, and $650-$670 would be realistic bulk purchase.. Anyone have any price comments?. Also, everyone should have the same order, ie. limit the possibility of mixups. For people of non-US residence, then maybe a person\people in the US can send the EDP to others as "gifts" or trivial non-commercial devices with low price tags, so the recipients can avoid high taxes and duties. To make this work, we also need a US contact for the bulk purchase. Any volunteers? To qualify you must have less than 5 years jail time for offences like fraud, embezzlement etc. JL From ???@??? Fri Oct 16 16:54:15 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id GAA18525; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 06:51:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 06:51:34 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 03:16:12 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: RE: EDP bulk purchase Resent-Message-ID: <"TpzHJ1.0.WB4.Itn9s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2141 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >All of the Echopli should be in stock at once if possible, and all of I believe the correct plural form is "echoplicis". Some latin expert provided that useful nugget to the list a very long time ago..... >To qualify you must have less than 5 years jail time for offences like >fraud, embezzlement etc. damn! leave me out then. It's probably ok if you don't know much latin, though. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Fri Oct 16 16:54:16 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id HAA19350; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 07:03:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 07:03:05 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <008001bdf8ef$a0251960$c5b854ce@mark.asisoftware.com> From: Mark@asisoftware.com (Mark Kata) To: Cc: Subject: Re: need info on GR300 Help! Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 06:27:50 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"N8YzZ.0.AG4.Bzn9s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2142 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I had a GR300 and a GR808 controller (neck through the body, maple and walnut body and neck, gold hardware) in the early 1980s. Here are the important things to understand about the GR300: 1. It is not programmable. You can't jump from a flute patch to a cello patch with the press of a button. 2. There is only one oscillator per string. However, you can get the effect of two oscillators per string by mixing the sound of the string with the sound of the synth. 3. You cannot select different waveforms for the oscillators. Also, it only has an Attack control--not an ASDR. 4. No MIDI. 5. The hex fuzz sounds cheesy--at least to my ears. 6. The knobs are large enough so that you can adjust them with your feet. 7. Before I bought the GR300, I had an ARP 2600. The 2600 had an infinite amount of patching possibilities, while the GR300 was very limited. It was easy to get strange sounds out of the 2600, but difficult to get anything strange out of the GR300. Then I realized the big difference--the GR300 was much more expressive than the 2600. The guitar controller let me pitch bend and change dynamics much more naturally than the 2600's keyboard and knobs and sliders. 8. There is a slight amount of delay between plucking the string and hearing the GR300. That's why most GR300 users favor the Pat Metheny "trumpet" sound. In fact, if you listen to recordings of guitarists who used the GR300 (Pat Metheny, Bill Frisell, Belew, Fripp, Elliott Easton on the Cars, Steve Howe, Steve Hackett, etc.), only Fripp and Belew used sounds that were different than the "trumpet" sound. (I think the GR30 or GR09 come with a factory patch called "GR300.") 9. It's ruggedly housed in a thick metal box. However, be careful of the bottom edges, they're sharp. I sliced four of my fingertips on my left hand (only hours away from a gig) when I picked up the GR300 by the bottom edge of the box. 10. Here's an example of how responsive the GR300 was: My GR808 had a dead spot on the neck at the 7th fret on the B string. The GR300 always tracked this note exactly as the GR808 produced it--dead with no sustain. I could play the same note on the G string and it would sustain just fine. This really bothered me, but looking back, the GR300 was only acting as expressively as the GR808. 11. My GR808 was neck heavy. I did not like this. It made me use my left hand to "lift" the neck to my prefered playing angle. 12. The patch cord that goes between the GR300 and the GR808 may or may not still be available. If possible, buy as many as you can find. 13. The GR300 produced slightly less gain than the average guitar. 14. For additional sonic possibilities, Roland made a box that let you control two GR300s from one guitar. Pat Metheny used this setup. Again, this box may no longer be available. Bottom line: I thought the GR300 was a one-trick pony that did its trick very well considering the limitations of technology in the early 1980s. I hope this helps. Mark Kata Mark@asisoftware.com -----Original Message----- From: legion To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Thursday, October 15, 1998 10:33 PM Subject: need info on GR300 Help! >I know it's not looping exactly but i but someone here can fill in the >blanks on this creature. > >I have a chance to buy a GR300 (roland analog guitar synth) and GR303 >controller (evidently the two cutaway "SG" type model). I have never >played one of these and only know the hype: > >"It tracks really weel" > >"Fripp et all played them" > >What I'm looking for is some more indepth practical info on it. Or even >the GR303 guitar for that matter. how is the tracking compared to a >decent midi comtrller guitar (I use a casio MG series and like it but >it's obviously not perfect) > >Anything I should look out for or check tomake sure it's 100%. > >I have a ton of synths (including polyphonic rolands and lots of analog >monosynths and some modular stuff). Does this unit offer anything unique >in sound or style that other synths and guitar/midi guitars in >particular are missing? > >The price ain't low but it seem reasonable for such a rare piece. i just >want to be sure I can use the sucker. > >Any info on insight appreciated. All I have right now is a JPG of the >floor unit and no specs. I've tried two archives but didn't come up with >much more. > >thanks for any/all help! > From ???@??? Fri Oct 16 16:54:20 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id HAA21615; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 07:45:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 07:45:50 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: ANET@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 07:13:08 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Re[495]: Group buy Echoplex (ad nauseum) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 170 Resent-Message-ID: <"YimAF3.0.gu4.gho9s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2143 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 10/15/98 12:11:34 PM Central Daylight Time, Mike.Biffle@wj.com writes: > > Loop futures: The new wave for the savvy investor! No beans here! This is > better > than Cheese Whiz... Get 'em now! > > I'll take a gross of 'em! Availability? Who cares! Place an order... > > You wacky loopers! Let's all hold hands in cosmic adoration of each other's > loop > noodles! Gimme a hug! > > I'll stop gushing now. > > -Miko Hey Miko, Have a bad day at work? Jp From ???@??? Fri Oct 16 16:54:19 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id HAA21792; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 07:47:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 07:47:40 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: ANET@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 07:17:36 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: EDP bulk purchase Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 170 Resent-Message-ID: <"piTgs3.0.Py4.slo9s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2144 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 10/16/98 2:45:30 AM Central Daylight Time, jlack@auran.com writes: > > All of the Echopli should be maxxed out with memory, yes? yes, with latest software > > As far as price goes, I would think that for a maxxed out EDP with foot > controller, $600 would be a great buy, and $650-$670 would be realistic > bulk purchase.. Anyone have any price comments?. Cool! > Also, everyone should have the same order, ie. limit the possibility of > mixups. Sounds like an admin thing. > For people of non-US residence, then maybe a person\people in the US can > send the EDP to others as "gifts" or trivial non-commercial devices with > low price tags, so the recipients can avoid high taxes and duties. Admin. > To make this work, we also need a US contact for the bulk purchase. > Any volunteers? Admin. > To qualify you must have less than 5 years jail time for offences like > fraud, embezzlement etc. Admin. jp From ???@??? Fri Oct 16 16:54:38 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id KAA01263; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 10:09:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 10:09:12 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 09:36:52 -0400 X-Sender: paulpop@marlin.ssnet.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Paulpop@ssnet.com (Paul Poplawski, Phd) Subject: RE: EDP bulk purchase Resent-Message-ID: <"sIKTE3.0.9Y7.rlq9s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2147 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I would be interested as well >> >-----Original Message----- >> >From: Joseph Buck [mailto:josephbuck@hotmail.com] >> >Sent: Friday, October 16, 1998 3:03 PM >> >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >> >Subject: EDP bulk purchase >> > >> > >> >What have I wrought? >> > >> > >> >Paul Revere >> > >> >______________________________________________________ >> >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com >> > > >You have stirred EDP lobal brain activity.!! >You have awakened the primordial loop in all of us.!! >You have.. > >Oh... and I too would be interested in the group purchase. > >I have some suggestions on how this should be carried out. >If the bulk purchase is made through a dealer, then a single trustworthy >dealer\person should be the contact. >All of the Echopli should be in stock at once if possible, and all of >the funds should be transferred at around the same time. > >All of the Echopli should be maxxed out with memory, yes? > >As far as price goes, I would think that for a maxxed out EDP with foot >controller, $600 would be a great buy, and $650-$670 would be realistic >bulk purchase.. Anyone have any price comments?. > >Also, everyone should have the same order, ie. limit the possibility of >mixups. > >For people of non-US residence, then maybe a person\people in the US can >send the EDP to others as "gifts" or trivial non-commercial devices with >low price tags, so the recipients can avoid high taxes and duties. > >To make this work, we also need a US contact for the bulk purchase. >Any volunteers? > >To qualify you must have less than 5 years jail time for offences like >fraud, embezzlement etc. > >JL °°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°° Paul Poplawski, Ph.D. email = ppoplawski@state.de.us or paulpop@ssnet.com phone (service) = 302/737-4491 weekday office = 302/577-4980 From ???@??? Fri Oct 16 16:54:28 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id JAA28398; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 09:10:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 09:10:59 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <36274ECC.5D5A1DBB@vtx.ch> Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 14:49:00 +0100 From: Claude Voit Reply-To: c.voit@vtx.ch X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [fr] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Plex only propositions (was Questions to Plex users (new features...)) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"FeZ3G2.0.sZ6.y7q9s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2145 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mathias, Kim, Plexofans In the new features or inprovements I would like to see the followings Multiple plex features - 2 midi chan for the plex: The first being the general chan that you would adress for talking to all the plexes this is also the channel that would transmit the footswitch commands to the slaves the second is the private chan when you want to talk to each machine separately - In sampler style with run (switch Q off) the first note on behaves like it does now but a second note on (same note) should refire the loop to allow placing the loop at any point in time (could be very practical to flip around phrases relating to the music around)this *must* work also with sync in; the start point being pointed to the midi clock so it keeps a qantized relation to the outside world - multiple plexes syncing to a seq: would'nt it be better if the midi clock would only ataign the first one in the chain the brother sync making the sync further in the chain (sync _in_ on plex1 sync _brother_ in plex2, plex3, plex4 etc.. (btw is brother sync expandable with more than two plexes) the other way when the seq is the midi clock slave: the last plex in the chain sync _out_ the others being in _brother sync_ - undo redo: the undo switch is one of my favorite switches it alows me (if the loop isnt too long) to step the successive tranformations backwards the redo switch would allow to go forward again allowing navigate thru the different undo layers (the next loop switch would be the best candidate) merci pour votre attention bonne journee Claude From ???@??? Fri Oct 16 16:54:30 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id JAA29424; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 09:22:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 09:22:26 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199810161300.JAA04912@ulster.net> Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V98 #168 Date: Fri, 16 Oct 98 08:59:48 -0500 x-sender: evening@pop.ulster.net x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: evening To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <"VzASr2.0.Ol6.mEq9s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2146 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >The real question might be: What would you consider a good deal on an >EDP and the FC? $500 for both? $600? What price makes it worth >everyone's while. I have no idea what the mark-ups are and therefore >how much room there is to maneuver. The list for the EDP is $995 & ASFAIK Gibson is one of those 50%-off list companies, (as the usual retail on their guitars is 40% off list)but they may offer price breaks for larger quantities. No idea on the pedal though...maybe list is $175 or $200. My guess is that my local store is paying about $500 + frieght for the EDP. I imagine that both the pedal & EDP for $600 would be nearly impossible - unless someone was willing to completely for go profits. I'll call a couple of people today & see what can be worked out... jmw From ???@??? Thu Oct 15 11:34:56 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id LAA11647; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 11:02:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 11:02:50 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199810151441.KAA20297@shell.monmouth.com> Reply-To: From: "andre" To: Subject: Fripp nerves Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 10:41:54 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"EUsnC2.0.D32.xdW9s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2121 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com whew what a shitstorm again - the AXIOMS are proven: "Thou shalt never make a measured, clear comment on Fripp that is not unabashed praise" "Thou shalt never try to discuss gradations in quality of Fripp's music" or are they the lost commandments ?? Christ - do any of the several people who have responded to one pretty benevolent comment have a copy of my email. ?!?!? Go read it!!! I said the music is fine - my comments were about the response of the press/fans - i found it a bit extreme to say the least.... i'm just not gonna be a auto-pilot fan - where all material by my hero is the greatest thing, period, at all times. and guess - what!!! Fripp doesn't think everything he does is at the same level of amazing excellence!!! From ???@??? Fri Oct 16 16:55:00 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id MAA18196; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 12:21:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 12:21:58 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 08:49:43 -0700 Message-ID: <0013B13C.C21407@wj.com> From: Mike.Biffle@wj.com (Mike Biffle) Subject: Re[497]: Group buy Echoplex (ad nauseum) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, ANET@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Resent-Message-ID: <"jR0yM1.0.5i3.Qts9s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2149 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >>Mike.Biffle@wj.com writes: >> You wacky loopers! Let's all hold hands in cosmic adoration of each other's >> loop noodles! Gimme a hug! > Hey Miko, > Have a bad day at work? > Jp Hi John, While waiting for meaningful dialog, I developed a mild case of Looper's Tourette's... I *meant* to set sarcasm mode somewhere lower than STUN... Sorry if the humor was a little caustic! 8-> Hey!.. Maybe it *is* work, now that you mention it. There have been two or three attempts to begin threads which received no list replies. I did get some offline comments, but would have liked to see more of the group's opinions... I'll give it one more try. One post was about motivations and influences outside of music, and how they affect our process... (after the LD lit crit thread) The other post by myself queried about how we can, in several posts, criticise Fripp for jamming/improvising without discussing or comparing this work to other more succesful attempts by other artists and why they were successful. (or something like that.) It seems that *most* of us improvise... some completely, other's not quite so much... How do we create meaninful work of this nature which will endure and still retain that free spirit? This query is *NOT* a defense of Fripp... This is an attempt to find methods to improvise which will lead to interesting and so-called groundbreaking music. I found Derek Bailey's book very interesting and inspiring, but now would like to see how other's here deal with the pitfalls of "walking the wire" in public? BTW: Thanks for asking, John! Yours truly, -Miko Biffle ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Miko Biffle "Running scared from all the usual distractions!" mike.biffle@wj.com From ???@??? Fri Oct 16 16:54:56 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id LAA12286; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 11:40:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 11:40:55 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199810161506.LAA17370@ulster.net> Subject: EDP Group Purchase - I got prices... Date: Fri, 16 Oct 98 11:05:55 -0500 x-sender: evening@pop.ulster.net x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: evening To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <"0LUbp2.0.9x1.15s9s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2148 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com OK - here's the scoop. I talked with the owner of Alto Music in Middletown, NY and told him I might be able to move 7 to 10 units ( based on the list response). $560 for the EDP $660 For both the EDP & Pedal + shipping (& tax if you're in NY) If we're gonna do this we'll have to work out some kind of pre-payment scheme since I'm sure he won't order $4000 - 5000 of EDP's on a promise. He's a very cool guy and ALWAYS gets me the best prices. peace, john (914) 266-8695 From ???@??? Fri Oct 16 16:55:07 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id MAA20279; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 12:33:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 12:33:59 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Jim_M_Shepherd@tivoli.com X-Lotus-FromDomain: TIVOLI SYSTEMS To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-ID: <8625669F.0058DF4B.00@MTA-Austin2.tivoli.com> Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 11:16:47 -0500 Subject: Re: EDP Group Purchase - I got prices... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"szWU81.0.VL4.z7t9s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2150 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com $560 for the EDP At this price, I'd be interested too. Probably the best way to do this would be to set up a "deal number" for the purchase, and have everyone call the store and order it using the "deal number" within a set time frame. Just a thought, Jim From ???@??? Fri Oct 16 16:55:18 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id NAA25347; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 13:05:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 13:05:22 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <362776D8.E356AC85@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 12:39:52 -0400 From: Stew Benedict X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: EDP Group Purchase - I got prices... References: <199810161506.LAA17370@ulster.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"XO42Z3.0.7g5.Ndt9s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2152 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I'm in too, if this happens. Probably just the 'plex. Stew Benedict From ???@??? Fri Oct 16 16:55:23 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id NAA26643; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 13:14:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 13:14:09 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19981016140206.009883c0@fuzzy.brooknorth.com> X-Sender: howard@fuzzy.brooknorth.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 14:02:06 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Howard Harawitz Subject: Re: EDP Group Purchase - I got prices... Cc: evening In-Reply-To: <199810161506.LAA17370@ulster.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"CV65P3.0.J16.Vlt9s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2153 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi John, You folks move quickly down there, eh? Thanks for looking into that. I'm in. I understand that shipping to Canada will be extra. Federal Express is the only way to get anything reliably to this part of the Galaxy -- UPS DOES NOT work well in Nova Scotia. Fedex also makes relating to Canada Customs a snap for the shipper -- they just fill out a short, simple form, and after that don't need to deal with it at all. I have a company FEDEX account that I would like to use, if possible. But if that's too complicated, it isn't necessary. What about additional memory -- i.e., filling it to capacity? Is it possible to get one equipped that way? Thanks, Howard At 11:05 AM 10/16/98 -0500, you wrote: >OK - here's the scoop. I talked with the owner of Alto Music in >Middletown, NY and told him I might be able to move 7 to 10 units ( based >on the list response). > > >$560 for the EDP > >$660 For both the EDP & Pedal + shipping (& tax if you're in NY) > >If we're gonna do this we'll have to work out some kind of pre-payment >scheme since I'm sure he won't order $4000 - 5000 of EDP's on a promise. >He's a very cool guy and ALWAYS gets me the best prices. > >peace, > >john > >(914) 266-8695 > > > ========================================================== Howard Harawitz howard@brooknorth.com ========================================================== Brooklyn North Software Works Inc. Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada Telephone: 1-902-423-0257 ========================================================== Check the Halifax Harbor Cam: http://www.brooknorth.com/camsite/ From ???@??? Fri Oct 16 16:55:03 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id MAA20327; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 12:34:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 12:34:18 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <362781B9.91A1A6DE@tstar.net> Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 11:26:20 -0600 From: Matthew Turner Organization: Anathema Enterprises X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 (Macintosh; U; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: EDP Group Purchase - I got prices... X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <199810161506.LAA17370@ulster.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"BHE8T2.0.YO4.99t9s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2151 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com evening wrote: > OK - here's the scoop. I talked with the owner of Alto Music in > Middletown, NY and told him I might be able to move 7 to 10 units ( > based > on the list response). > > $560 for the EDP > > $660 For both the EDP & Pedal + shipping (& tax if you're in NY) > > If we're gonna do this we'll have to work out some kind of pre-payment > > scheme since I'm sure he won't order $4000 - 5000 of EDP's on a > promise. > He's a very cool guy and ALWAYS gets me the best prices. > > peace, > > john > > (914) 266-8695 Hi, I just joined this list ... are we talking about the Oberheim Echoplex? From ???@??? Fri Oct 16 16:55:31 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id NAA32623; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 13:55:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 13:55:17 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <362785D1.BA0B1E7@dial.pipex.com> Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 18:43:45 +0100 From: Gareth Whittock X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: EDP bulk purchase References: <199810160708.DAA07270@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"UYG0F2.0.kZ7.bNu9s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2155 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Count me in on the EDP bulk deal. I'm in the UK which may affect things though I've noticed somebody else from over here too. I have a company that deals in some Music Technology, Steinberg, Waldorf, Kawai etc. This may be useful in establishing links with Gibson. From ???@??? Fri Oct 16 16:55:33 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id OAA03082; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 14:14:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 14:14:26 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Dpcoffin@aol.com Message-ID: <496caa39.362786df@aol.com> Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 13:48:15 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: EDP Group Purchase - I got prices... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 82 Resent-Message-ID: <"1JzwK3.0.mu7.yVu9s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2156 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com <<$560 for the EDP $660 For both the EDP & Pedal + shipping (& tax if you're in NY)>> oooh!--Count me in, too! Let's keep the window-of-op open at least until early Nov; calling in to Alto with a credit card and a "I'm-joining-the-EDP-bulk-purchase" password, with shipment held until the agreed-upon closing date, makes sense to me...now, is that for an unexpanded EDP?? David Coffin From ???@??? Fri Oct 16 16:55:32 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id OAA02521; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 14:11:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 14:11:00 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Dpcoffin@aol.com Message-ID: <169908ad.36278740@aol.com> Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 13:49:52 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Can I buy the Looper's CD?? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 82 Resent-Message-ID: <"9KCkc1.0.rx7.HXu9s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2157 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com So, the 1st compilation is out? Where can I get a copy of it? Thanks dpc From ???@??? Fri Oct 16 16:55:35 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id OAA07056; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 14:41:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 14:41:45 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <36279103.48160D43@bellsouth.net> Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 14:31:31 -0400 From: Jeff Duke X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.07 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: EDP Group Purchase - Logistics References: <199810161738.NAA31981@ulster.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Ew4k82.0.wL1.j3v9s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2158 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Am I correct that these are not maxed out edps? I don't think that they come from the factory fully loaded. Still seems a great price though. My credit card is ready to go. jeff evening wrote: > I've already heard from one list member so it's time to think about the > logistics of this... > > I guess that the best way to do this would be to get a list of the names > & addresses etc. of everyone that wants one and to give it to the folks > at the store - then leave to each person to call them with thier Credit > Card numbers & shipping preference etc. Once they have a bunch of hard & > fast, "cash on the barrelhead" orders they'll call Gibson and do the deal. > > I'm open to other ideas if you have any. > > Thanks, > > John > > ps - Just for the record - I don't work for Alto Music & I do not stand > to make anything off of this deal ( save for a few brownie points at the > store...) Yes, it's a rare glimmer of altruism escaping from the dark > regions my usual capitalist routine...damn. From ???@??? Fri Oct 16 16:55:27 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id NAA32011; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 13:51:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 13:51:29 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199810161738.NAA31981@ulster.net> Subject: Re: EDP Group Purchase - Logistics Date: Fri, 16 Oct 98 13:37:43 -0500 x-sender: evening@pop.ulster.net x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: evening To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <"mlejd1.0.JP7.LJu9s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2154 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I've already heard from one list member so it's time to think about the logistics of this... I guess that the best way to do this would be to get a list of the names & addresses etc. of everyone that wants one and to give it to the folks at the store - then leave to each person to call them with thier Credit Card numbers & shipping preference etc. Once they have a bunch of hard & fast, "cash on the barrelhead" orders they'll call Gibson and do the deal. I'm open to other ideas if you have any. Thanks, John ps - Just for the record - I don't work for Alto Music & I do not stand to make anything off of this deal ( save for a few brownie points at the store...) Yes, it's a rare glimmer of altruism escaping from the dark regions my usual capitalist routine...damn. From ???@??? Fri Oct 16 16:55:36 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id PAA15183; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 15:39:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 15:39:19 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <2148EC143F29D1118BE000805FC13CD06E97AC@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: process threads . . . or what have you Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 14:17:59 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Resent-Message-ID: <"jm3Ko3.0.x53.gnv9s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2159 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Howdy . . . There have been two or three attempts to begin threads which received no list replies. I did get some offline comments, but would have liked to see more of the group's opinions... I'll give it one more try. I'm with Miko on this one . . . I think that one of the cool things about this list is that there is a lot of potential for discussion of creative process issues - - there are a of of creative people here . . . but seemingly gear seems to be more exciting than music? Hopefully, I'm mistaken and it's just that people find it difficult to discuss this sort of thing: more of the doers than the theoriticians. > It seems that *most* of us improvise... some completely, other's not quite > so > much... How do we create meaninful work of this nature which will endure > and > still retain that free spirit? > For me, I guess it's the same kind of process (though slightly different aspects of it) as writing. A lot of it comes down to accepting what one likes, yet being able to have a somewhat objective perception as to what works, what doesn't and what I'd like to change. In other words, examination and reexamination of strategies and vocabularies. Often I try to approach different situations with different mindsets. Some bands/situtations get the full McGilla (effects/loopers, etc.), some get a different set of parameters (say bass and amp only). I take this strategy from Stravinsky's idea of "freedom being in small box" . . . which I interpret as finding more freedom in a finite set of variables than one one does from "complete freedom," where there are "no" parameters. I tend to like composers that use finite rules for certain pieces (Stravinsky as noted, Webern, etc.) so I try to bring a little bit of this sensibility to the table during some of the improv situations that I get involver in. Some might say that this sort of thing verges on NOT BEING free improv. Also, of course, there are many improvisors who take the exact opposite tact: I feel that Miles Davis always sounded about the same, it was his choice of contexts that changed. From ???@??? Fri Oct 16 16:55:50 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id QAA23772; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 16:38:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 16:38:31 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 16:21:56 -0400 (EDT) From: David Talento X-Sender: legion@unix01 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Can I buy the Looper's CD?? In-Reply-To: <169908ad.36278740@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"KVVSk2.0.9H5.Ejw9s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2160 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com On Fri, 16 Oct 1998 Dpcoffin@aol.com wrote: > So, the 1st compilation is out? Where can I get a copy of it? > Thanks > dpc rpeck@rpeck.com he put it together and can get you a disk and cool cover. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- HELP WANTED PRODUCTIONS - Http://www.voicenet.com/~legion "Bringing you the best in Organic Electronic music since we started..." Home of the Unusual Instrument and Recording Gallery with pictures and info of Tube recorders, Omnichords, weird guitars, Casios, and more. From ???@??? Fri Oct 16 16:55:54 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id QAA24312; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 16:42:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 16:42:55 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19981016133455.00bcb560@mail.well.com> X-Sender: dog@mail.well.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 13:34:55 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: dan mcmullen Subject: me2! me2! (was Re: EDP Group Purchase - I got prices...) In-Reply-To: <199810161506.LAA17370@ulster.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"Y5XEn1.0.GS5.Inw9s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2161 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com darn. beat to the punch. i just got back from Bananas at Large w/ a group quote of $680 for Plex w/ 4 meg and footpedal. Alan Rosen, the fellow i work with there, is still checking on whether the volume could bring the price down a bit more, and will get back to me by Monday. he can take individual credit card orders on the deal, & ship directly to each purchaser. i'm not claiming this to be better than the Alto Music deal, but told Alan i would extend the offer. At 11:05 AM 10/16/98 -0500, you wrote: >OK - here's the scoop. I talked with the owner of Alto Music in >Middletown, NY and told him I might be able to move 7 to 10 units ( based >on the list response). > >$560 for the EDP >$660 For both the EDP & Pedal + shipping (& tax if you're in NY) > >If we're gonna do this we'll have to work out some kind of pre-payment >scheme since I'm sure he won't order $4000 - 5000 of EDP's on a promise. >He's a very cool guy and ALWAYS gets me the best prices. ___ dan mcmullen, sf, ca, usa don't worry - pay attention mailto:dog@well.com 415.681-0712 pgp fingerprint = 1C70 8D81 6B94 93A9 F2D8 9609 2122 BF70 8619 EDAF From ???@??? Fri Oct 16 16:56:26 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id RAA30425; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 17:24:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 17:24:21 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 14:01:23 -0700 Message-ID: <0013B6DC.C21407@wj.com> From: Mike.Biffle@wj.com (Mike Biffle) Subject: Re: process threads . . . or what have you To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" , "Liebig; Steuart A." Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Resent-Message-ID: <"cOcxP2.0.Yr6.GNx9s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2162 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Miko wrote... >> It seems that *most* of us improvise... some completely, other's not quite >> so much... How do we create meaningful work of this nature which will endure >> and still retain that free spirit? Steuart Liebig... > For me, I guess it's the same kind of process (though slightly different > aspects of it) as writing. A lot of it comes down to accepting what one > likes, yet being able to have a somewhat objective perception as to what > works, what doesn't and what I'd like to change. In other words, examination > and reexamination of strategies and vocabularies. Nice thought... I might do well to assess the difference between what I personally like w/what I'm actually capable of doing. Taking better stock of my "tools" (Derek Bailey's term which IMO is a collection of basic and extended techniques for improvising) and treating them more formally. Compositionally I've found that there are people who just rage with their own style and *still* manage to sound conceptual, indulgent soloing etc... Then there are people who don't really solo or have "trademark" sounds and sound conceptual right out of the gate with a seemingly well thought out progression of ideas. This intrigues me and seems to function more artistically for me. While I love to solo and be a "guitar guy" I want to find a broader approach which has more musicality and artistic merit. (Without losing the soloing of course! 8->) > Often I try to approach different situations with different mindsets. Some > bands/situations get the full McGilla (effects/loopers, etc.), some get a > different set of parameters (say bass and amp only). Embarrassingly, this sounds a little intimidating to me. If I was actually playing more often with a larger variety of people, maybe it would be different. Again... food for thought. > I tend to like composers that use finite rules for certain pieces (Stravinsky > as noted, Webern, etc.) so I try to bring a little bit of this sensibility to > the table during some of the improv situations that I get involved in. Some > might say that this sort of thing verges on NOT BEING free improv. John Zorn's game theory described in Bailey's book sound very interesting to me. Is that the sort of thing you're talking about? Coming up with arbitrary contexts which define various moments during an improv? One last note/question: I keep hearing the non-idiomatic banner being waved and wonder just how removed from an idiom you have to be to have people not dis you for your references? E.g.. Rock grandiosity and tone; Jazz chords and voicing; Blues; Drum styles and grooves... Thanks for the comments Stig... From ???@??? Fri Oct 16 16:56:31 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id SAA07078; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 18:19:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 18:19:45 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: Subject: RE: EDP Group Purchase Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 15:06:08 -0700 Message-ID: <000c01bdf951$2d69fd70$26ee8fd1@intern_2.linkexchange.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 In-Reply-To: <362781B9.91A1A6DE@tstar.net> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <"iJYsK2.0.s-.cCy9s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2163 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi, I just bought a Vortex and a Jamman for $300 over the net. This seemed like an almost shadily good deal indeed (is it?) since I had recently seen them going for more than that individually, but after fingering the seller's email and talking to him on the phone, I decided that it was as safe as any used gear deal I had done over the net and went ahead with it. So now I am waiting for UPS to show up with my potential bundle of COD rage/joy (depending in whether everything works out or not), so that I can join in the looping madness. However, the JamMan has only 8 seconds of memory. I understand that the type of memory it uses can be difficult/expensive to obtain. Can anyone recommend a source? Are they even still available anywhere? Thanks, Jonathan El-Bizri > -----Original Message----- > From: Matthew Turner [mailto:gturner@tstar.net] > Sent: Friday, October 16, 1998 10:26 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Subject: Re: EDP Group Purchase - I got prices... > > > evening wrote: > > > OK - here's the scoop. I talked with the owner of Alto Music in > > Middletown, NY and told him I might be able to move 7 to 10 units ( > > based > > on the list response). > > > > $560 for the EDP > > > > $660 For both the EDP & Pedal + shipping (& tax if you're in NY) > > > > If we're gonna do this we'll have to work out some kind of pre-payment > > > > scheme since I'm sure he won't order $4000 - 5000 of EDP's on a > > promise. > > He's a very cool guy and ALWAYS gets me the best prices. > > > > peace, > > > > john > > > > (914) 266-8695 > > Hi, I just joined this list ... are we talking about the Oberheim > Echoplex? > > From ???@??? Fri Oct 16 16:56:36 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id SAA09543; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 18:33:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 18:33:40 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 18:20:58 -0400 From: Andreas Willers Subject: Re: Recordings..turns into loops with variation Sender: Andreas Willers To: Loopers Delight Message-ID: <199810161821_MC2-5CEF-6672@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"txw9P2.0.Au1.NTy9s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2164 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From: Andreas Willers, 113051,3061 To: INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Don, 31. Dez 1908 12:00:00 RE: Re: Recordings..turns into loops with variation Hi, thanks for the input on 'treated' loops. Yesterday night I recorded a prepared loop parallel on three different tracks and just moving the faders around created some eerie minimalistic motion... I'm just listening to a recording called 'Tango & Company' (on JazzHausMusik / North County) by Henning Berg (tb) & John Taylor (p). They are doing improvisations with an interactive computer program by Henning that is being fed by mike-to-midi and a midi grand piano. They can make 'tango' (as it is called) respond to their input in differnet ways (it can build loops!) and playback stuff via midi/synths etc. BTW, I heard (trombonist) George Lewis is developing things in a similar direction - anyone knows more? Best, Andreas P.S.: other current listening: Louis Sclavis Acoustic Quartet, Irvine Arditti Recital for Violin (Solo, has some Fernyhough on it - thanks for the hint from here sometime ago) P.P.S.: I am currently reading things about Africa, just finished T. Coraghessan Boyle (from LA) 'Water Music'. A quite pessimistic rewriting of diarys by an original English researcher/discoverer/stupid kid, quite good. SInce I travelled (and performed) quite a bit in Western Africa it stirrs up a lot of memories and definetely influences my playing, but not in a direct A-B fashion. I'm not polishing my 'Highlife' guitar licks (hey, but maybe I should?) From ???@??? Fri Oct 16 16:56:38 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id SAA10842; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 18:43:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 18:43:46 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <2148EC143F29D1118BE000805FC13CD06E97B2@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: process threads . . . or what have you Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 17:33:37 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Resent-Message-ID: <"MIH5R1.0.yN2.3fy9s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2166 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > John Zorn's game theory described in Bailey's book sound very interesting > to me. > Is that the sort of thing you're talking about? Coming up with arbitrary > contexts which define various moments during an improv? > I think that Zorn's methods are way beyond what I'm talking about. As far as I can tell he uses this mostly for structuring larger groups like Cobra (though maybe he used for his solo stuff too? Zorn experts help!). What I'm talking about is making decisions about WHAT I bring to a situation: Do I bring effects, do I bring looping gear, do I do prepared bass stuff. Since I play 6-string bass, I also make decisions about HOW I play: Do I perform mostly in more traditional bass roles, do I go for chordal stuff, do I try for more horn-like activity, do I blend all three. Then, of course, different people bring out different things and help you go different places. Lately I've been rethinking this strategy a little as it seems that some of the people who I look up to seem to basically do the same sort of thing with everyone and they seem to be artistically successful doing that . . . work in progress on this. Integrating improv into composition is, for me, similar except that I tend to have more control of certain parameters (stylistic jumping off points, etc.) and I tend to structure improv sections by using formal considerations (reemergence of thematic material superimposed on the improv, juxtapositions of different groupings, etc.) > One last note/question: I keep hearing the non-idiomatic banner being > waved and > wonder just how removed from an idiom you have to be to have people not > dis you > for your references? E.g.. Rock grandiosity and tone; Jazz chords and > voicing; > Blues; Drum styles and grooves... > > Why remove? Why not just put 'em in a blender and let 'em come out as they may? From ???@??? Fri Oct 16 16:56:50 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id TAA17329; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 19:04:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 19:04:04 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <008001bdf8ef$a0251960$c5b854ce@mark.asisoftware.com> References: Conversation <008001bdf8ef$a0251960$c5b854ce@mark.asisoftware.com> with last message <008001bdf8ef$a0251960$c5b854ce@mark.asisoftware.com> Priority: Normal To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Tony Douglas Subject: Re: need info on GR300 Help! Date: Fri, 16 Oct 98 23:39:31 +0100 ( + ) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; X-MAPIextension=".TXT" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"BiaTs3.0.zm2.Oqy9s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2167 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi there An update to Mark's post about the GR300 - his points are with >> marks, mine follow. If you want further info, I'll look out the original Roland 1980 brochure (I've got it somewhere !) >> I had a GR300 and a GR808 controller (neck through the body, maple and walnut body and neck, gold hardware) in the early 1980s. I've got a GR300 & a G202 (Strat style body, maple neck/fb & 2 humbuckers) in front of me here. >> Here are the important things to understand about the GR300: >> 1. It is not programmable. You can't jump from a flute patch to a cello patch with the press of a button. Yep. Mind you, arguably you can't make the thing sound much like either anyway. >> 2. There is only one oscillator per string. However, you can get the effect of two oscillators per string by mixing the sound of the string with the sound of the synth. Well, there's a "Duet" mode. With the master pitch shift control, you can shift the base pitch around to get to concert tuning. You then have two sub-oscillators, A and B, which you can set to offsets from the master pitch. These can be latched or unlatched. You can also set a time for the pitch to move between the base pitch and the offset. So, you could have the master pitch at concert, then A as a lower fifth and B as a higher fifth and switch. Or, in Duet mode, you can have both the master pitch and one of A or B as well. Unfortunately, you can't control the levels between master and offset. Why would you want a master pitch shift ? So you can tune the guitar as high as possible for accurate tracking, then use this control to drop the pitch back to concert, of course ! >> 3. You cannot select different waveforms for the oscillators. Also, it only has an Attack control--not an ASDR. Yep. The closest to envelope control you have is with the envelope modulator. The env mod sounds pretty much like a severe, but not hugely controllable auto-wah. Quite handy, but you never seem to be able to get the Rise/Fall time *just* right. >> 4. No MIDI. Well, it *was* 1980... >> 5. The hex fuzz sounds cheesy--at least to my ears. I didn't think it was cheesy - fizzy as hell, perhaps. >> 6. The knobs are large enough so that you can adjust them with your feet. Although I wouldn't try it in the dark on a stage ! I saw someone (Mike Rutherford, I think) with the blue box on a stand at waist height. >> 7. Before I bought the GR300, I had an ARP 2600. The 2600 had an infinite amount of patching possibilities, while the GR300 was very limited. It was easy to get strange sounds out of the 2600, but difficult to get anything strange out of the GR300. The difference between a patchable synth and a preset synth, although the GR300 is more limited than most in that it doesn't have selectable waveforms (so, no switching between Sin & Sawtooth waves, for example). But if you are playing a GR300, you'll get used to having to stuff the output through loads of effects to get weird sounds. >> 8. There is a slight amount of delay between plucking the string and hearing the GR300. I can honestly say I've never noticed any real delay between playing a string and the GR300 responding. I didn't think there was any, because the 300 isn't tracking as such - it's performing some analogue processing of the sounds fed to it by the guitar controller. Arguably, you could almost say it's an analogue VG8 (that'll get some posts in !) >> 9. It's ruggedly housed in a thick metal box. However, be careful of the bottom edges, they're sharp. I sliced four of my fingertips on my left hand (only hours away from a gig) when I picked up the GR300 by the bottom edge of the box. That's probably why it's got two nice big chrome handles on the top :-) ! >> 10. Here's an example of how responsive the GR300 was: And therein lies the rub. The guitars weren't that great. Because the GR300 is processing whatever the controller is feeding it, the guitar needs to be pretty good. If the guitar's got a weakness then the 300 will just amplify it. The G202 is pretty lightweight so you don't get enough sustain from it. >> 11. My GR808 was neck heavy. I did not like this. It made me use my left hand to "lift" the neck to my prefered playing angle. Andy Summers said back in 1982 that he preferred the G303 (the "cheaper" one) to the G808 (the "expensive" one) >> 12. The patch cord that goes between the GR300 and the GR808 may or may not still be available. If possible, buy as many as you can find. Good idea - I'm always worrying that my patch lead will go (indeed, it's got a dry joint on the line for the lower E string, which leads to it cutting out intermittently). >> 13. The GR300 produced slightly less gain than the average guitar. >> 14. For additional sonic possibilities, Roland made a box that let you control two GR300s from one guitar. Pat Metheny used this setup. Again, this box may no longer be available. This was called the US-2 (as opposed the US-20 Roland currently sells for the VG8 / GI10 etc. type lead). The adverts in the early '80's showed one of the guitarists from Wishbone Ash with a G505 controlling a GR300 (the blue box) and a GR100 (a yellow box cut-down version of the 300) with the US-2 between them. >> Bottom line: I thought the GR300 was a one-trick pony that did its trick very well considering the limitations of technology in the early 1980s. My bottom line; the GR300 is a good bit of fun, but don't expect sonic miracles from it. Expect to use loads of effects with it. Use a foot volume pedal in the VCF pedal socket. Try it, and if you like the sounds (there really are only two with variations on the themes) bear in mind that nothing else quite makes the same noise. If you can't get to try before you buy, listen to "The Sheltering Sky" on Discipline by King Crimson for the lead, "trumpet" sound, and "Don't Stand So Close to Me" (original version) by The Police for the chordal "wash" sound (it's in the background of the instrumental break). Phew, I'm all out of puff now... Hope this lot helps, Tony Douglas PS. Oh, and don't pay too much for it. As a guide, a GR100 and G33B bass guitar controller are going for a combined price of 200 UK pounds in this month's Sound on Sound. I paid 300 UK pounds for my GR300 & G202 controller three years ago. From ???@??? Fri Oct 16 16:57:07 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id TAA17812; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 19:07:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 19:07:34 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: M3chakucha@aol.com Message-ID: <1d592f09.3627cc78@aol.com> Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 18:45:12 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: need info on GR300 Help! Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Resent-Message-ID: <"qMMbc.0.ZQ3.5-y9s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2169 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Dear Legion, Hey man, the GR300 was an awesome box back in the day! Yes, Fripp, and Metheny used them, however there is a catch... The GR-303 is only going to be able to control the GR-300 or the GR-301 (I think was the designation of the Yellow box, instead of the Blue one.) It is an Analogue Synthesizer that has some incredible sounds built in, but it will cost an arm and a leg to get it MIDI'able. Silly part is that it can be done.... It will be a little slower in tracking than your Casio, however... it's sounds are a bit kinder considering that the controller was built around the brain box, so there is a little trade-off. I also have a Casio MG-510 and love the beastie, but I have to say that the best for tracking still goes to a Stepp or Synthaxe (both are extremely difficult to find, and are really expensive)! Like the Casio, the Guitar controller itself was constructed/manufactured by wonderful factories of Fuji Gen-Gakki, who have kindly produced the higher end of Ibanez, Yari, and Bradley guitars for years... You may want to take a peak at either Paolo's site, or the midiguitar@egroups.com/ site, run by a Mr. Christian. You may be refered to a few other sites, but all in all, if everything else fails check out www.rolandus.com/ or www.rolandcorp.com/japan/ Hope this helps! Tchus, Lee-ohki. PS. The equipment is a tool that is often misunderstood and just simply needs to be explained out a little before and after the creative juices begin to flow... Took a little to get used to Linux and a few apps therein, but let me tell you,... don't know how I was doing without them for so long! LOL! L. From ???@??? Fri Oct 16 16:57:18 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id TAA21126; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 19:33:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 19:33:59 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 16:12:38 -0700 Message-ID: <0013B8E5.C21407@wj.com> From: Mike.Biffle@wj.com (Mike Biffle) Subject: Re[2]: process threads . . . or what have you To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" , "Liebig; Steuart A." Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Resent-Message-ID: <"PAh9t2.0.Og4.KGz9s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2170 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > different people bring out different things and help you go different places. The people are usually the key factor for me in determining which way I turn as well. > Lately I've been rethinking this strategy a little as it seems that some of > the people who I look up to seem to basically do the same sort of thing with > everyone and they seem to be artistically successful doing that . . . work in > progress on this. Confusing watching how others succeed. I've watched the guitarist in a *very* popular group right now (a fairly creative guy) which replaced me when I decided to step back and limit my activity during my wife's pregnancy. I certainly would have liked the high profile and full time playing status this would have afforded, but at the same time look at the extreme limitations on what's being played and realize that I never could have been happy doing that. I did enjoy working with the band leader a lot. >> One last note/question: I keep hearing the non-idiomatic banner being waved >> and wonder just how removed from an idiom you have to be to have people not >> dis you for your references? E.g.. Rock grandiosity and tone; Jazz chords and >> voicing; Blues; Drum styles and grooves... > Why remove? Why not just put 'em in a blender and let 'em come out as they > may? This is more of an academic curiousity than a guide to how I might play myself. I've just heard much discussion around the free improv and non-idiomatic music banner and wonder if it is about re-contextualization or just disassociation? I'm all for the Waring blender approach myself! -Miko ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Miko Biffle "Running scared from all the usual distractions!" mike.biffle@wj.com From ???@??? Fri Oct 16 16:57:19 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id TAA20911; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 19:32:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 19:32:42 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 19:18:50 -0400 From: Andreas Willers Subject: RE: process threads . . . or what have you Sender: Andreas Willers To: "INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Message-ID: <199810161919_MC2-5CF7-5C08@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"Fma4q2.0.2m4.9Jz9s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2171 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com -------------------- Begin Original Message -------------------- Message text written by INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com " Lately I've been rethinking this strategy a little as it seems that some of the people who I look up to seem to basically do the same sort of thing with everyone and they seem to be artistically successful doing that . . . work in progress on this. " -------------------- End Original Message -------------------- Yes, sometimes being too versatile can be a burden, I think someone spoke of 'option anxiety'. Especially true with the jazz world's 'trademark-sound' guys. From ???@??? Fri Oct 16 18:00:38 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id TAA21556; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 19:36:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 19:36:56 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 16:18:54 -0700 Message-ID: <0013B8F1.C21407@wj.com> From: Mike.Biffle@wj.com (Mike Biffle) Subject: Re[2]: process threads . . . or what have you To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, Rik Myers Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Resent-Message-ID: <"SmdTs3.0.Pu4.MNz9s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2172 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Rik Myers wrote... >Ahh, COBRA! If you haven't played, you're in for a, umm, treat. For those >of you all on the outside, COBRA is a performance game with a set of hand >signals, cards, and hats taht symbolize particular playing cues. Each >player (except a conductor) have an instrument and are on the lookout for >coues from other players. They, too, can offer cues. An uneasy equilibrium >develops after awhile, with most players polarizing into two camps, the >players and the directors. Bill Frissel is a player, Zorn a director. I'm a >player. My friend John is a player. Paul is a director. And so on. Is there a site or repository of these particular signals and hats etc? I'd love to look into this more... >The "music" is often unlistenable to any but the participants, but I've seen >some COBRA performances that were really cool. If you're not willing to risk cacaphony you'll never get to participate in sublime interaction either! 8-> That's part of the fun and angst of it. >A Eugene bar used to have a COBRA night once every two weeks. Fun, but >ultimately I learned more about traffic control than music and went back to >other forms of live improvisational music. Wow, where is that bar in my community? (Santa Cruz...) I'd love to know of others in my region that would like to participate in something like this. best, -Miko From ???@??? Fri Oct 16 18:00:36 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id TAA21551; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 19:36:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 19:36:54 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1d592f09.3627cc78@aol.com> References: Conversation <1d592f09.3627cc78@aol.com> with last message <1d592f09.3627cc78@aol.com> Priority: Normal To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Tony Douglas Subject: Re: need info on GR300 Help! Date: Sat, 17 Oct 98 00:27:19 +0100 ( + ) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; X-MAPIextension=".TXT" Resent-Message-ID: <"h_Biu1.0.505.zQz9s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2173 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hey all, Just a note about the G303 - it is possible to make up an adapter from the block plugs used on the G202/303/505/808 controllers (and probably the GR33B bass too) to the round plugs used on the GR50 and onwards. Someone who used to frequent a music shop near me (Magnum Sound, Wishaw, Scotland) took the electronics out of a Roland guitar, transplanted them into another guitar, and used said adapter to run a GR50 / U220 setup. I never found out who it was (only saw the rack & guitar) so don't know if it was home-made or a Roland product. I'd guess home-made, though. - Tony Douglas PS. The yellow box was the GR100. It lacked the string select and (I think) the sub-oscillators of the GR300, but some reviews said it was more responsive than the blue box. (That's from memory of reviews 15 years ago, mind !) From ???@??? Fri Oct 16 18:00:42 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id UAA31545; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 20:35:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 20:35:07 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <2148EC143F29D1118BE000805FC13CD06E97B9@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: process threads . . . or what have you Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 19:20:04 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Resent-Message-ID: <"PHz293.0.xL7.lC-9s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2174 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > Yes, sometimes being too versatile can be a burden, I think someone spoke > of 'option anxiety'. Especially true with the jazz world's > 'trademark-sound' guys. > > I tend to think of it as trying to bring something special to the plate everytime I play - - having discrete musical experiences. Maybe more like a painter or an author (oops, there I go again). In terms of how I do things with compoistional frameworks for improv, I like to have different settngs for much the same reason. Also, I figure that my personality is going to come through anyway, I just want the colors to be a little different from time to time. Option anxiety can be a problem . . . luckily I don't have the time for it anymore :-) I just have to hone in a couple of selected concepts. s From ???@??? Fri Oct 16 19:08:15 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id VAA07471; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 21:33:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 21:33:14 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: The Unit Circle Message-Id: <199810170123.VAA08530@keys.com> Subject: I'm in (bulk purchase) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 21:23:31 -0400 (EDT) Content-Type: text Resent-Message-ID: <"pmG3m.0.pd1.48_9s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2176 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com For $660 I'm In! I assume that us out-of-staters wouldn't have to pay sales tax, right? Kevin From ???@??? Fri Oct 16 16:56:37 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id SAA10435; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 18:39:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 18:39:56 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19981016183146.007b5600@mindspring.com> X-Sender: zanga@mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 18:31:46 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Rik Myers Subject: Re: EDP Group Purchase - I got prices... In-Reply-To: <8625669F.0058DF4B.00@MTA-Austin2.tivoli.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"ePd-O3.0.QD2.xay9s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2165 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >$560 for the EDP > > >At this price, I'd be interested too. Yes, I'm in, with footswitcher. That's for a maxed EDP, right? >Probably the best way to do this would be to set up a "deal number" for the >purchase, and have everyone call the store and order it >using the "deal number" within a set time frame. Excellent idea, Jim From ???@??? Fri Oct 16 16:57:00 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id TAA17299; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 19:03:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 19:03:56 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19981016184836.007a8160@mindspring.com> X-Sender: zanga@mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 18:48:36 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Rik Myers Subject: Re: process threads . . . or what have you In-Reply-To: <0013B6DC.C21407@wj.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"b7XuR.0.Fo2.kqy9s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2168 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >John Zorn's game theory described in Bailey's book sound very interesting to me. >Is that the sort of thing you're talking about? Coming up with arbitrary >contexts which define various moments during an improv? Ahh, COBRA! If you haven't played, you're in for a, umm, treat. For those of you all on the outside, COBRA is a performance game with a set of hand signals, cards, and hats taht symbolize particular playing cues. Each player (except a conductor) have an instrument and are on the lookout for coues from other players. They, too, can offer cues. An uneasy equilibrium develops after awhile, with most players polarizing into two camps, the players and the directors. Bill Frissel is a player, Zorn a director. I'm a player. My friend John is a player. Paul is a director. And so on. The "music" is often unlistenable to any but the participants, but I've seen some COBRA performances that were really cool. A Eugene bar used to have a COBRA night once every two weeks. Fun, but ultimately I learned more about traffic control than music and went back to other forms of live improvisational music. Hasta -> Dr Rico From ???@??? Fri Oct 16 19:08:16 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id VAA07143; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 21:30:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 21:30:17 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199810170119.VAA11596@ulster.net> Subject: EDP GROUP PURCHASE - more thoughts Date: Fri, 16 Oct 98 21:18:44 -0500 x-sender: evening@pop.ulster.net x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: evening To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <"N9oXf1.0.xT1.c3_9s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2175 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Culled from the Digest... >> As far as price goes, I would think that for a maxxed out EDP with foot >> controller, $600 would be a great buy, and $650-$670 would be realistic >> bulk purchase.. Anyone have any price comments?. > >What about additional memory -- i.e., filling it to capacity? Is it >possible to get one equipped that way? >Am I correct that these are not maxed out edps? I don't think that they come >from the factory fully loaded. Still seems a great price though. My credit >card is ready to go. > So far it looks like there are about 3-4 people who are interested. The question of getting units "maxxed" with 16 Mb has come up a couple of times but since they don't come that way from the factory I think it might be best for everyone to deal with the memory issue individually. Maybe someone wishes to create another RAM co-op... It' s been my experience that music stores can never compete with places likes Chipmasters or Data Memory Systems in terms of price and I'm sure that there would be labor costs involved in having the store tech install the RAM in 5-10 EDPs. As I mentioned before they will most likely want to get paid before placing thier order to Gibson, since it would be a real drag to to be sitting on a stack of unsold EDP's which they have paid inbound frieght on. The idea is that the store can place one call to Gibson, get a single large shipment of units, (which would cost less in shipping fees than having them shipped individually) and they are guaranteed to be sold and move them out quickly with a minimum of hassle. As far as I can tell Alto Music will be making about $60 per Echoplex & maybe $10 on the pedal (this is a guess but I'm probably close...) not much profit...even if we get to 10 orders I will call the store & ask how they prefer to deal with payment/orders etc. We can let this process loop for a while so people get a chance to peruse thier finances & think about it. Who knows? maybe someone else can get a better price! email me privately with name address & tel. # if you want in on this - It makes it easier to keep track of everyone since I'm a digest subscriber. Loopers for all! John From ???@??? Fri Oct 16 22:50:18 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id XAA25229; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 23:57:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 23:57:50 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19981016235022.007c3d50@unix01.voicenet.com> X-Sender: floyd@unix01.voicenet.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 23:50:22 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Floyd Miller Subject: Re: EDP GROUP PURCHASE - memory thoughts In-Reply-To: <199810170119.VAA11596@ulster.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"iAuaR1.0.Dy5.zD1As"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2177 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 09:18 PM 10/16/98 -0500, you wrote: ... >So far it looks like there are about 3-4 people who are interested. The >question of getting units "maxxed" with 16 Mb has come up a couple of >times but since they don't come that way from the factory I think it >might be best for everyone to deal with the memory issue individually. >Maybe someone wishes to create another RAM co-op... What about ordering an echoplex with 0 memory for those who would only replace the factory installed 1MB or 256K simms with 4MB simms? **************** ********** Floyd Miller ****** floyd@voicenet.com ** http://www.voicenet.com/~floyd From ???@??? Fri Oct 16 22:50:20 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id AAA29324; Sat, 17 Oct 1998 00:40:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 00:40:00 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199810170430.AAA26660@ulster.net> Subject: EDP Group - clarification Date: Sat, 17 Oct 98 00:29:25 -0500 x-sender: evening@pop.ulster.net x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: evening To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <"9Qz9R.0.cx6.Is1As"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2178 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com To clarify for the Alto music purchase we're talking about: $560 for EDP w/ 4Mb RAM $660 for EDP w/ 4Mb & pedal + shipping ( & tax if you are in NY state) no tax for out of state sales... Also I'm interested in seeing what kind of price Bananas at Large will do on a large quantity. ah the gearlust abounds... John From ???@??? Sat Oct 17 12:25:34 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id EAA16174; Sat, 17 Oct 1998 04:15:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 04:15:34 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <36285106.718B@dmans.com> Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 03:10:46 -0500 From: "Mikell D. Nelson" Reply-To: mnelson@dmans.com Organization: Boomerang Musical Products X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Boomerang question... References: <199810130120.VAA12135@ulster.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"-BnzN2.0.wf3.R05As"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2179 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com evening wrote: > > While mentioning to a friend about looking for an OB echoplex he > suggested that I buy his little used Boomerang. > > I have one question: Is the memory upgradeable? He has a 30sec/1min > version. > > Thanks, > > jmw Yeppo. What you need is a 30-pin, 4M SIMM, any speed, any parity. In PC speak that means Mac or IBM compatible. We're easy. We like everybody. All SIMM's welcome. We sell the piece you need for $25. It comes with an instruction sheet for the uninitiated. Mike Nelson, co-owner Boomerang Musical Products PO Box 541595 Dallas, TX 75354-1595 Tel 800-530-4699 (outside USA, 214-340-6913) Fax 214-343-1038 email mnelson@dmans.com web page http://www.boomerangmusic.com From ???@??? Sat Oct 17 12:25:41 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id JAA30101; Sat, 17 Oct 1998 09:02:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 09:02:44 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: PJBMHB@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 08:51:00 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Nels Cline w/ Watt last night @ the knitting factory Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 41 Resent-Message-ID: <"VLUxc2.0.eD7.TF9As"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2181 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com i saw nels cline last night and he was awesome. wowza!! that cat can play some wild guitar. great concert. this was my 1st time ever seeing nels and i was completely blown away. i know he did a little bit of looping a few times during the show. anyone know what he was looping on? he had something with 3 or 4 footswitches on his amp that he would mess with by hand. i assumed he had an eh but couldn't really get a good look. nels is awesome. people should totally check out mike watt's contemplating the engine room. great disc. excellent concert. =-) PJ From ???@??? Sat Oct 17 12:25:46 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id KAA02429; Sat, 17 Oct 1998 10:04:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 10:04:14 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199810171309.JAA12552@ulster.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 09:55:59 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: "Paul Poplawski, Ph.D." Subject: EDP .. I'm in Resent-Message-ID: <"pIF733.0.cO.p6AAs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2183 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I am in with footpedal ... please let me know about the next steps after a decision is made as to where we are purchasing from >>>So far it looks like there are about 3-4 people who are interested. The >>>question of getting units "maxxed" with 16 Mb has come up a couple of >>>times but since they don't come that way from the factory I think it >>>might be best for everyone to deal with the memory issue individually. >>>Maybe someone wishes to create another RAM co-op... >> >>What about ordering an echoplex with 0 memory for those who would >>only replace the factory installed 1MB or 256K simms with 4MB simms? >> > >Does Gibson sell a zero Mb version? or less than 4Mb version? I doubt it, > but if they do that would be the way to go since I think we're all >planning on dumping the 1Mb chips anyway. > >john Paul Poplawski, Ph.D. email = paulpop@ssnet.com or ppoplawski@state.de.us phone service = 302/737-4491 weekday office = 302/577-4980 From ???@??? Sat Oct 17 12:25:43 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id JAA31409; Sat, 17 Oct 1998 09:17:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 09:17:20 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199810171309.JAA12552@ulster.net> Subject: 0Mb version... Date: Sat, 17 Oct 98 09:08:46 -0500 x-sender: evening@pop.ulster.net x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: evening To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <"zbTuu1.0.cV7.9T9As"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2182 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >>So far it looks like there are about 3-4 people who are interested. The >>question of getting units "maxxed" with 16 Mb has come up a couple of >>times but since they don't come that way from the factory I think it >>might be best for everyone to deal with the memory issue individually. >>Maybe someone wishes to create another RAM co-op... > >What about ordering an echoplex with 0 memory for those who would >only replace the factory installed 1MB or 256K simms with 4MB simms? > Does Gibson sell a zero Mb version? or less than 4Mb version? I doubt it, but if they do that would be the way to go since I think we're all planning on dumping the 1Mb chips anyway. john From ???@??? Sat Oct 17 12:25:51 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id LAA12108; Sat, 17 Oct 1998 11:50:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 11:50:03 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Crossedout@aol.com Message-ID: <384cb156.3628b874@aol.com> Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 11:32:04 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: COBRA Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Resent-Message-ID: <"yrlce3.0.yb2.mdBAs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2185 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 10/16/98 6:02:30 PM Central Daylight Time, zanga@mindspring.com writes: << For those of you all on the outside, COBRA is a performance game with a set of hand signals, cards, and hats taht symbolize particular playing cues. >> And where does one find out more about the specifics of said game? - Bill Crossedout@aol.com From ???@??? Sat Oct 17 12:25:52 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id LAA11056; Sat, 17 Oct 1998 11:41:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 11:41:53 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Bailey, Jim" To: "'looppost'" Subject: RE: process threads . . . or what have you Date: Sat, 17 Oct 98 11:37:00 EDT Message-ID: <3628B74E@199.71.32.33> Encoding: 80 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Resent-Message-ID: <"o2Nx83.0.yN2.UUBAs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2184 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Here are some quotes from JACK WRIGHT on free improvisation. I received them from the project4newmusic mailing list and thought they might be of some relevance to this discussion. Not being a "trained" "musician," I consider myself to be a free improvisor, as well as a looper, and, like John Cage, believe that all sounds have merit as music. It all depends on how you listen. Jim Bailey I now turn you over to Jack. 1995 This music is a relatively recent phenomenon of the last few decades and is still practically unknown. Most people seem to be puzzled by it or have misconceptions, even fear. All other forms of music, including Jazz improvisation, have a tendency towards conscious differentiation and identification of the player with the musical choices made, that is, at least some structure (song and style) that is decided upon that has an identity and meaning set apart from others and given a priority. Free improv tends on the other hand to dissolve the importance of such priorities at the musical moment of choosing, since all choices are valid and all standards of good music are put in question, including that played moments ago. Our limitations -- attachment to clinched formulas, our best ideas -- are what stand in the way and we struggle against them. Technical development on the instrument in the traditional sense is optional, for some even hindrance, to the extent it predisposes our judgment as to what is musical. A kind of musical insecurity is even good for improv. A careful and attentive choosing is involved but not as means to an end. Since choice can go any direction, this music tends toward an exaggerated full ear-open listening to what is going on around you for guidance; in fact since you do not identify with and defend your own sound, you find yourself listening to your very own playing with interest and surprise, reacting to it as you do to others'. Free improv opens the door to dissolution and immersion in sound and silence, in which we hear a playful voice behind us always suggesting, "why not this?" We find with surprise, given our previous experience with music, that rather than resulting in a breakup into individualized units, improv tends toward a whole since we have nothing to go on except each other. It is a music that fully reflects a disillusionment with the fundamental impulse of previous musics to organize and control nature, and for this reason cannot be expected to advance its players in the so-called music world of career and conquest with which such control is allied. Free players are open to being inspired by others regardless of experience or status; the true teacher is the learner... What I have described here is only the empty form, the energy, not what we end up with. What fills it and gives the music its meaning and character is our individual struggle with it and with ourselves. This is a new music and has hardly begun to be explored; it is what we make it. The potential for transforming our relation to music and to each other is not fully imaginable. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------- October, 1996 Each free improvisation, and this pertains especially to the solo, is a very particular, unique path, all laid out in advance. However, we do not know the way, and we are, some might say, hampered by the deliberate loss of whatever one sense we should usually consider the most reliable. We are not allowed to see where we are going, that is the only rule, so all the other, unaccustomed senses scramble to the forefront. We have our eyes (ears) closed as if their normal configurations would surely mislead us; our feet or our nose will have to do all that enormous work. We might have the impression that we can only witness what happens, that we have let the path take over; if so then how could we be so highly engaged. At any rate, we can only feel our way, imperfectly of course, shifting from tense confusion to relaxed and ecstatic awareness to the humiliation of finding ourselves utterly lost. There is not a single position that our consciousness can take that is left out; the path covers the whole topography from start to finish, that is, it certainly can. Even and especially our lostness is right where we should be, hardly a consoling thought. Only afterwards are we allowed to think we knew what we were doing, even to know we were on a path at all. From ???@??? Sat Oct 17 12:26:01 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id MAA20084; Sat, 17 Oct 1998 12:54:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 12:54:35 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: jfa@shell11.ba.best.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <199810171309.JAA12552@ulster.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 08:40:55 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: John Altman Subject: Re: EDP .. I'm in Resent-Message-ID: <"0xiqW2.0.Ed4.7cCAs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2191 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 9:55 AM -0400 10/17/98, Paul Poplawski, Ph.D. wrote: >I am in with footpedal ... please let me know about the next steps after a >decision is made as to where we are purchasing from Me, too, also w/ pedal. RAM is cheap and easy to find, so I suggest we just get them as they come from the factory to keep things simple. Wish I could afford to buy a pair! The idea of a "deal number" sounds like a good way to do it. John Altman From ???@??? Sat Oct 17 12:25:54 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id LAA11949; Sat, 17 Oct 1998 11:48:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 11:48:40 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3628C94D.B5DF5BC0@tstar.net> Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 10:44:29 -0600 From: Matthew Turner Organization: Anathema Enterprises X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 (Macintosh; U; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: EDP Group Purchase - I got prices... X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <199810171232.VAA13299@mail.st.rim.or.jp> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"utuYP1.0.4d2.IeBAs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2186 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I'm in too ... only problem is that I don't have a credit card. I'm sure something could be worked out with a money order and overnight mail though ... From ???@??? Tue Oct 20 11:53:54 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id NAA07718; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 13:08:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 13:08:45 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: DainL@AustinTX.net (Dain R. Luscombe) To: "loop" Subject: Good Looking Monkey Music Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 11:50:07 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <19981020164544638.AAB238@sex.austintx.net> Resent-Message-ID: <"W_FgS2.0.8T7.JwBBs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2313 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tongue in Cheek...? If you ask me, sure all music is trivial and boring by it self, especially the so called "instrumental" work (mainly called instrumental music because the instruments are doing most of the work). I have found it very helpful when doing these kind of performances to make sure there is a strong visual element to the set. I personally would (and have in the past) listened to hours of totally useless thoughtless looping and jamming JUST because the band A) had nice analog synths to look at B) had a nice old Fender Jaguar or other sexy guitar C) had a cute girl singer or D) had all or some of these elements mixed together. Also if you don't happen to be good looking you can always get some nice bubbly overhead projectors going and turn off the lights. However it must be said that I sat througha set by Sonic Boom's EAR ONLY because he had an EMS Synthi AKS, an Oscar, and a Serge Modular (so sometimes the quality of synths can offset the need to have pretty 16m projections out the wazzoo) Dain My band has A and B but we haven't really gotten around to C yet, still looking though. From ???@??? Sat Oct 17 12:26:03 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id NAA22740; Sat, 17 Oct 1998 13:20:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 13:20:41 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Reply-To: From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: Subject: P2 Quandaries! (was: Fripp Nerves) Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 10:09:04 -0700 Message-ID: <000701bdf9f0$d8ab1580$9b32dacf@stepheng> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 In-Reply-To: <0013A223.CE21407@wj.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Resent-Message-ID: <"ZyaMe1.0.TJ5.U-CAs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2192 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Unclench your fingers, folks. :) > Are there any of you out there who actually prefer looser > "open" jamming and minimal imposed structure? Possibly > with each member bringing their own compositional ideas > in the form of "surprises" which they employ at random in > response to the nature of the improv? Well, I don't know that it's a matter of preference past how one feels at a given moment or series of moments, actually. I think most of the ways in which we address allegedly non-structured content may have a lot more to do with our expectations of that content, than the content itself. As far as the ProjeCKt shows are concerned, though... I went to the one at the House of Blues/LA last February, thanks to a fine fellow from AZ from the Elephant Talk n'letter who had an extra ticket and dropped it off on the way to the Ventura shows. I was prepared in some regard by the reactions from people on that n'letter that had gone before: * Those who expected something from the music that didn't happen (flaming Frippian solos, KC material from the 70's, ad nauseam) were very, very disappointed, and primarily chose Fripp as their whipping boy, though their comments tended to be less precise on the topic of the music itself, with the exception of the "cheesy FM piano patch Fripp used to play THRAK". * Those who went Without Expectations, and withheld judgement until they'd heard entire works, were far, far less disappointed, but in general tended to discuss the material a lot less than the angry ones did. I had already heard a lot of the comments about the material by the time I had my ticket to see them; and, in a similar fashion to my filtering of TV News, knew I had to completely dispose of all the good AND bad opinions if I was going to be able to assess all this stuff for Myself. I liked the performance, and I believe that it was because I didn't attempt to create a framework for the material before I knew what it was. This is a common failing of most folks going into the Unknown (as far as perceived at least), and not one I've avoided succumbing to, either. I just didn't expect RF or anyone else to play What I Want Them To Play. And, I didn't feel ripped off in any way. I laughed at the execution of THRAK in that manner, in a good way. It should be evident that playing such a work Over and Over and Over Again can be a real strain; and given new KC fans' tendency to want replays of favorite pieces, I wondered if this wasn't a way of being able to make fun of it all without being mean. It was obvious they were having a good time with all of the work. And I ended up having a good time watching and listening to them too. It was a good example of a collaborative approach to performance. Is it possible that RF et al wanted this very effect to experiment with? Perhaps so...! So, does improvisational work - either participating or listening to it - say more about us, or about our feelings about it? Stephen GoodmanÊ -Ê It's... The Loop Of The Week! EarthLight StudiosÊ -Ê http://www.earthlight.net/Studios From ???@??? Sat Oct 17 12:26:09 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id OAA32444; Sat, 17 Oct 1998 14:58:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 14:58:54 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 14:46:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19981016183146.007b5600@mindspring.com> References: <8625669F.0058DF4B.00@MTA-Austin2.tivoli.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Todd Reynolds Subject: Re: EDP Group Purchase - I got prices... Resent-Message-ID: <"7EGed2.0.3g7.LQEAs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2194 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >>$560 for the EDP >> >> >>At this price, I'd be interested too. > >Yes, I'm in, with footswitcher. That's for a maxed EDP, right? > >>Probably the best way to do this would be to set up a "deal number" for the >>purchase, and have everyone call the store and order it >>using the "deal number" within a set time frame. > >Excellent idea, Jim Please count me in as well. Just bought a jamman over the net and am thinking already about selling it to buy an Oberheim with you guys. todd -------------------- Liz Knowles and Todd Reynolds Write to Liz at her NEW and private Lidd Music Partners email address which is... 500B Grand St. 11G NY NY 10002 lizfyddle@aol.com 212 475-8559 phone on the road again..... 212 358-9371 fax liddmuse@bway.net http://www.bway.net/~liddmuse From ???@??? Sat Oct 17 12:26:10 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id OAA32425; Sat, 17 Oct 1998 14:58:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 14:58:39 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 14:46:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199810170430.AAA26660@ulster.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Todd Reynolds Subject: Re: EDP Group - clarification Resent-Message-ID: <"Z7D1C3.0.dg7.QQEAs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2195 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >To clarify for the Alto music purchase we're talking about: > >$560 for EDP w/ 4Mb RAM > >$660 for EDP w/ 4Mb & pedal > >+ shipping ( & tax if you are in NY state) no tax for out of state >sales... > >Also I'm interested in seeing what kind of price Bananas at Large will do >on a large quantity. > >ah the gearlust abounds... > >John todd reynolds, count me in.; -------------------- Liz Knowles and Todd Reynolds Write to Liz at her NEW and private Lidd Music Partners email address which is... 500B Grand St. 11G NY NY 10002 lizfyddle@aol.com 212 475-8559 phone on the road again..... 212 358-9371 fax liddmuse@bway.net http://www.bway.net/~liddmuse From ???@??? Sat Oct 17 12:26:06 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id NAA26529; Sat, 17 Oct 1998 13:58:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 13:58:01 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199810171747.NAA29813@ulster.net> Subject: EDP Group Purchase:Contact info for Alto Music Date: Sat, 17 Oct 98 13:46:49 -0500 x-sender: evening@pop.ulster.net x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: evening To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <"s-lwX2.0.KG6.rXDAs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2193 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Ok - I spoke with John at Alto Music here's the deal. So far it looks like there will be about 12 units, maybe more... If you want to get one or more EDP's with or without a pedal do the following: 1. Call Alto Music @ (914) 692-6922 10-6pm Monday through Saturday and ask for John. Tell him you're calling about ordering an Echoplex as part of the Loopers Delight Internet mailing list - he's not hip to the listserv thing so be sure to mention Echoplex & internet in the same sentence and he'll know what your calling about. 2 Give him your order info - i.e. How many you want, pedal or not, address CC#, shipping preference etc. NOTE: while they do some mail order they are not setup like Musicians Friend etc, in that they can say immediately what your freight will be. You can request that they call you with the exact amount of shipping once they have determined it. Rest assured that he's a straight up guy & there won't be any gouging on shipping fees. 3. Be patient, think Buddha like thoughts, or if you're really advanced, no thoughts at all. The units are not in stock. Once he gets a bunch of orders, he'll place an order with Gibson. When he receives the units they will be sent to you according to your instructions. The time between when he places the order & when they arrive is dependent on Gibson, UPS, acts of God, etc. If Gibson is to be believed regarding stock & turnaround time, I'd guess that everyone will have their units in 2-3 weeks. The prices are: $560 for EDP w/ 4Mb RAM $660 for EDP w/ 4Mb & pedal + shipping ( & tax if you are in NY state) no tax for out of state sales... We didn't discuss a time limit on this offer but I'm sure as long as people are ordering a moderate amount the price will be good for a couple of weeks - barring any price changes from Gibson/Oberheim of course. Alright, Let the feeding frenzy begin! peace, JMW From ???@??? Sat Oct 17 12:25:55 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id MAA14090; Sat, 17 Oct 1998 12:06:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 12:06:54 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19981017120059.007aa780@mindspring.com> X-Sender: zanga@mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 12:00:59 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Rik Myers Subject: Re: COBRA In-Reply-To: <384cb156.3628b874@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"K5EFU3.0.5F3.byBAs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2189 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > of you all on the outside, COBRA is a performance game with a set of hand > signals, cards, and hats taht symbolize particular playing cues. >> > >And where does one find out more about the specifics of said game? > >- Bill There seems to be some interest in this. I'll sniff around a bit and post what I find. I learned about COBRA by hangung with folks in the music dept ofthe university I was working at. Hasta -> Rico From ???@??? Sat Oct 17 17:01:40 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id PAA02990; Sat, 17 Oct 1998 15:31:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 15:31:32 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199810171747.NAA29813@ulster.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 15:23:07 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: "Paul Poplawski, Ph.D." Subject: Re: EDP Group Purchase:Contact info for Alto Music Resent-Message-ID: <"pXk2W3.0.uW.TvEAs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2196 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com what is the usual price for this bundle? >Ok - I spoke with John at Alto Music here's the deal. > >So far it looks like there will be about 12 units, maybe more... > >If you want to get one or more EDP's with or without a pedal do the >following: > >1. Call Alto Music @ (914) 692-6922 10-6pm Monday through Saturday and >ask for John. >Tell him you're calling about ordering an Echoplex as part of the Loopers >Delight Internet mailing list - he's not hip to the listserv thing so be >sure to mention Echoplex & internet in the same sentence and he'll know >what your calling about. > >2 Give him your order info - i.e. How many you want, pedal or not, >address CC#, shipping preference etc. > >NOTE: while they do some mail order they are not setup like Musicians >Friend etc, in that they can say immediately what your freight will be. >You can request that they call you with the exact amount of shipping once >they have determined it. Rest assured that he's a straight up guy & there >won't be any gouging on shipping fees. > >3. Be patient, think Buddha like thoughts, or if you're really advanced, >no thoughts at all. >The units are not in stock. Once he gets a bunch of orders, he'll place >an order with Gibson. When he receives the units they will be sent to you >according to your instructions. The time between when he places the order >& when they arrive is dependent on Gibson, UPS, acts of God, etc. If >Gibson is to be believed regarding stock & turnaround time, I'd guess >that everyone will have their units in 2-3 weeks. >The prices are: > >$560 for EDP w/ 4Mb RAM > >$660 for EDP w/ 4Mb & pedal > >+ shipping ( & tax if you are in NY state) no tax for out of state >sales... > >We didn't discuss a time limit on this offer but I'm sure as long as >people are ordering a moderate amount the price will be good for a couple >of weeks - barring any price changes from Gibson/Oberheim of course. > > >Alright, Let the feeding frenzy begin! > >peace, >JMW Paul Poplawski, Ph.D. email = paulpop@ssnet.com or ppoplawski@state.de.us phone service = 302/737-4491 weekday office = 302/577-4980 From ???@??? Sat Oct 17 17:01:44 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id RAA11655; Sat, 17 Oct 1998 17:06:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 17:06:26 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 16:16:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199810172016.QAA05574@shell.monmouth.com> X-Sender: andre@mail.monmouth.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: andre@shell.monmouth.com From: andre Subject: JFK's Lsd UFO Live.. Resent-Message-ID: <"7RUBI2.0.Yf2.5JGAs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2197 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com hello... we gots a Looping, synth based performance coming up: THIS MONDAY !!!! JFKs LSD UFO andre cholmondeley - guitar/synth, samples, loops, vox cheri jiosne - drums, percussion, synth, loops SPIN 17 ed chang - electronics, guitar, alto sax, tape wreckage motoko shimizu - vox, turntable, toys, the noise machine SUPREME BEINGS chris kosnik [atomic bitchwax, godspeed] - synth, tapes shane green [nudeswirl] - synth, delays, computer All in all - a night of experimenting near the musical edge....analog synths, digital echoes, computer driven madness, and more. 9:45 pm Mon Oct 19 The Saint 601 Main St Asbury Park NJ 732-775-9144 more info - check http://www.monmouth.com/~andre/jfk.htm or - email andre@monmouth.com From ???@??? Sat Oct 17 12:25:40 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id IAA28499; Sat, 17 Oct 1998 08:40:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 08:40:22 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199810171232.VAA13299@mail.st.rim.or.jp> Subject: Re: EDP Group Purchase - I got prices... Date: Sat, 17 Oct 98 21:35:22 -0000 x-sender: liminal@mail.st.rim.or.jp x-mailer: Claris Emailer-J 1.1 From: Yoshiaki Matsumoto To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <"eMFcH2.0.Rq6.Xw8As"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2180 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I'd like to join in too, with the footswitch. One complication: I live in Japan, although luckily I can write a personal check in USD. What would the shipping cost be? (Please reply privately) >>$560 for the EDP >> >> >>At this price, I'd be interested too. > >Yes, I'm in, with footswitcher. That's for a maxed EDP, right? > >>Probably the best way to do this would be to set up a "deal number" for the >>purchase, and have everyone call the store and order it >>using the "deal number" within a set time frame. > >Excellent idea, Jim > > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * A lemon beside an orange is no longer a lemon, the orange no longer an orange; they have become fruit. -Georges Braque * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Yoshi Matsumoto email: liminal@st.rim.or.jp web: http://www.at-m.or.jp/~liminal * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * From ???@??? Sat Oct 17 17:01:57 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id TAA26127; Sat, 17 Oct 1998 19:30:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 19:30:16 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <36292534.9D6B9A3D@bellsouth.net> Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 19:16:04 -0400 From: Jeff Duke X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.07 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Subject: Live at thw Knitting Factory Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"ZCXxQ1.0.A56.MKIAs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2198 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com The Audio is up but the video is not for Glenn Branca Its at 8.00pm eastern There is some wierd stuff going on now. Probably rehersal http://www.knittingfactory.com/Live/Welcome.html jeff From ???@??? Sun Oct 18 09:35:37 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id FAA16825; Sun, 18 Oct 1998 05:22:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 05:22:31 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Sender: r_t_cummings@csi.com Message-ID: <362932F9.F6FF6FE4@csi.com> Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 01:14:50 +0100 From: Cummings X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [de] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: process threads . . . or what have you References: <2148EC143F29D1118BE000805FC13CD06E97B9@migarexch01.maritz.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"FtIS8.0.7v3.EzQAs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2204 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I find this whole thread, with its "COBRA" and "OPTION ANXIETY" aspects, oddly coincidental with my current activities! I'm a percussionist/ looper etc. and I'm participating in a new version of the Cobra game piece in Berlin, Germany. This version is called the "Dirty Dozen" because it involves 12 players, 3 groups of 2 (=6) rhythmatists and 3 groups of 2 (=6) melodiacs. The whole thing is based around Goethe's color circle, the rhythm groups being the primary colors (red, blue, yellow), the melody groups being the intermediates (purple, green, orange). Each groups develops 2 themes which have to be compatible depending on their position in the circle (e.g. green melody fits with blue and yellow rhythm groups). From there it just gets more complex! Roulette boards, monetary "credits", playing cards, hand signals, a variety of "purchasable" positions such as berserkers, directors, arseholes (seriously), harikirist, bartender are all involved. All sorts of other rules are involved, which are too tedious to go into here - in fact the "instruction manual" is about 6 pages long! In many ways, this is the "German" ;-) version of Cobra, with no offense to the German members of the list ... The problem I'm currently trying to deal with, is that I really don't know how to incorporate my "loopy electro-stuff" into this already complex gig. I was offered a rhythm job where I'm to counteract the normal trap set drummer with elctro-processed rhythms. Oh man, after two practices of very intense changes and color theme changes etc. - on top of which I'm trying to make loops, change fx patches and play live (all on the fly) - I've noticed it's a heck-of-alotta stress! :-( Talk about OPTION ANXIETY! I'm actually a drum set player originally but unfortunately this is not my "job description" at this gig. I think I really have to chime in with what's been said here - my current feeling is that this "Dirty Dozen" gig is a little too much stress and too little fun. I agree that it's wise to concentrate more of one's energy on just a few concepts. Sorry about the very extended post - I'm just feeling a little exasperated ... Mr. Rob Liebig, Steuart A. schrieb: > > > Yes, sometimes being too versatile can be a burden, I think someone spoke > > of 'option anxiety'. Especially true with the jazz world's > > 'trademark-sound' guys. > > > > > I tend to think of it as trying to bring something special to the > plate everytime I play - - having discrete musical experiences. Maybe more > like a painter or an author (oops, there I go again). In terms of how I do > things with compoistional frameworks for improv, I like to have different > settngs for much the same reason. Also, I figure that my personality is > going to come through anyway, I just want the colors to be a little > different from time to time. > > Option anxiety can be a problem . . . luckily I don't have the time > for it anymore :-) I just have to hone in a couple of selected concepts. > > s From ???@??? Sat Oct 17 19:47:34 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id WAA14326; Sat, 17 Oct 1998 22:30:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 22:30:33 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <3df4c6eb.36294dc7@aol.com> Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 22:09:11 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Live at thw Knitting Factory Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 170 Resent-Message-ID: <"koMyi1.0.5s2.7vKAs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2199 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 10/17/98 9:28:52 PM Mid-Atlantic Standard Time, jmar@bellsouth.net writes: << There is some wierd stuff going on now. Probably rehersal >> regarding: glenn branca im listening to this as i write and all i can think is "how long would it take 5 monkeys to re-create this music?" i dont want to think this, mind you, but that is what keeps going through my head. is this the free improv that has been discussed over the past few days? i can see in some sense that as a player this could be interesting but as a listener its a bit rough for me to get behind. but i must admit, this gives me some idea as to what those (un- lucky?) folks whom i have listen to my music must go through. this whole concept of improv is a worthy topic which i hope to learn more about. for now i am hipplessly shallow but with ears wide open.............<(*?*)> michael From ???@??? Mon Oct 19 16:10:58 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id SAA17429; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 18:11:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 18:11:22 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <00a701bdfa41$2b58cca0$8298adce@hideo> Reply-To: "Tom Lambrecht" From: "Tom Lambrecht" To: Subject: Re: JamMan memory etc. Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 21:43:53 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"CcdMm1.0.wc3.cKxAs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2290 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com J. lucky dog (or unfortunate indidividual, depending on whether you get your goodies or not)--I paid about $ 450 for those units and was pretty pleased to get them for that ;) Visionsoft ( 408.626.2633) ( visionsoft.com) was the cheapest source of the upgrade 70 ns ZIP's--fast shippers, too. part #14PGZP7 ask for the ones for the Jamman--they know what they are $7.95 each (you need 4) and they charged me $7 for freight--$39 total. by the way, they don't do RAM upgrade chips for laptops, but Chip Merchants (800.426.6375) do--just ordered 32 MEG EDO DRAM for my new Toshiba--$62 2 day FED EXed to my door--about 40% less than the next best price! BTW, be careful when you pull the screws from the case . . . the screws look like Phillips heads, but they're different enuf so that you can strip them easily l . . . like I did does this guy have any $100 Moog Rogues he wants to part with? drone on~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Tom -----Original Message----- From: Jonathan El-Bizri To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Monday, October 19, 1998 4:17 PM Subject: JamMan memory etc. >Hi, > > I just bought a Vortex and a Jamman for $300 over the net. This seemed like >an almost shadily good deal indeed (is it?) since I had recently seen them >going for more than that individually, but after fingering the seller's >email and talking to him on the phone, I decided that it was as safe as any >used gear deal I had done over the net and went ahead with it. > > So now I am waiting for UPS to show up with my potential bundle of COD >rage/joy (depending in whether everything works out or not), so that I can >join in the looping madness. > > However, the JamMan has only 8 seconds of memory. I understand that the >type of memory it uses can be difficult/expensive to obtain. Can anyone >recommend a source? Are they even still available anywhere? > >Thanks, > >Jonathan El-Bizri > > From ???@??? Sat Oct 17 21:55:04 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id XAA23013; Sat, 17 Oct 1998 23:58:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 23:58:02 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Collins" To: Subject: COBRA Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 23:41:16 -0400 Message-ID: <01bdfa49$294e5d00$5c1cbfa8@0QHC6SIA> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"_zlN6.0.F95.xFMAs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2200 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com For those interested in Cobra and John Zorn's other game card pieces. Go to.... http://www.nwu.edu/jazz/performance/zornfest/zornfest-p-zorn.html there's a bit of information up on this page towards the bottom. Hope this can help. Jeff Collins http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Stadium/1429/STRANGETONES.html From ???@??? Sat Oct 17 21:55:04 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id XAA23086; Sat, 17 Oct 1998 23:58:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 23:58:43 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Collins" To: Subject: Re: COBRA Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 23:44:18 -0400 Message-ID: <01bdfa49$959a0ea0$5c1cbfa8@0QHC6SIA> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"tJ_rd3.0.9F5.nIMAs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2201 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com here i go again.... http://www.greensuperfood.com/~goblin/8zorn.html From ???@??? Sat Oct 17 21:55:07 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id AAA24562; Sun, 18 Oct 1998 00:10:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 00:10:32 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Edward_Chang@mail.amsinc.com X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMSINC To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-ID: <852566A1.00160238.00@ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com> Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 00:02:38 -0400 Subject: COBRA vs Spin-17 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"jsw-72.0.rl5.QXMAs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2203 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Oh yeah, if anybody's interested in COBRA I'll explain the whole thing at one of these shows. I've played it about 3 times and it's loads of fun. (yeah, yeah, but I call it "incentive"...) From ???@??? Sun Oct 18 09:35:52 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id IAA25885; Sun, 18 Oct 1998 08:38:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 08:38:27 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3629DEB9.BE27351E@dial.pipex.com> Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 13:27:37 +0100 From: Gareth Whittock X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Free improv References: <199810180706.DAA08180@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"BnBlv.0.PA6._wTAs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2205 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > << There is some wierd stuff going on now. Probably > rehersal >> > regarding: glenn branca > im listening to this as i write and all i can think is "how long would it take > 5 monkeys to re-create this music?" i dont want to think this, mind you, but > that is what keeps going through my head. is this the free improv that has > been discussed over the past few days? i can see in some sense that as a > player this could be interesting but as a listener its a bit rough for me to > get behind. but i must admit, this gives me some idea as to what those (un- > lucky?) folks whom i have listen to my music must go through. this whole > concept of improv is a worthy topic which i hope to learn more about. for now > i am hipplessly shallow but with ears wide open.............<(*?*)> michael > Personally, I don't think you should be too shy about speaking your mind about the effectiveness of these dubious rules/non-rules regarding free improvisation. As I read these postings I found myself thinking:- "And you expect people to listen to this? Why not let a bunch of kids jump on your instruments? They have fewer preconceptions than us adults. I've nothing against new music ideas but lets have ideas that work, (i know your going to say I'm being judgemental) but I function on the premise that there IS good music and bad music. From ???@??? Sun Oct 18 09:35:53 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id IAA26168; Sun, 18 Oct 1998 08:43:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 08:43:36 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3629DF87.AA1402C7@dial.pipex.com> Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 13:31:03 +0100 From: Gareth Whittock X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Overseas EDP deal? References: <199810180706.DAA08180@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"8Xrlf1.0.aD6.D-TAs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2206 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi guys, Do you know if Alto music will ship EDP's overseas or do we non-Americans have to cut our own deal? Gareth, (UK) From ???@??? Sun Oct 18 09:35:55 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id JAA29795; Sun, 18 Oct 1998 09:37:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 09:37:30 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3629EC6E.EB56DCF4@bellsouth.net> Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 09:26:06 -0400 From: Jeff Duke X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.07 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Free improv References: <199810180706.DAA08180@rosy.yourwebhost.com> <3629DEB9.BE27351E@dial.pipex.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"W02_2.0.047.AnUAs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2208 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Damn, I really enjoyed the show, now I find out that its not good music, oh well. What would you recomend instead? Jeff ( No taste) Duke Gareth Whittock wrote: > > << There is some wierd stuff going on now. Probably > > rehersal >> > > regarding: glenn branca > > im listening to this as i write and all i can think is "how long would it take > > 5 monkeys to re-create this music?" i dont want to think this, mind you, but > > that is what keeps going through my head. is this the free improv that has > > been discussed over the past few days? i can see in some sense that as a > > player this could be interesting but as a listener its a bit rough for me to > > get behind. but i must admit, this gives me some idea as to what those (un- > > lucky?) folks whom i have listen to my music must go through. this whole > > concept of improv is a worthy topic which i hope to learn more about. for now > > i am hipplessly shallow but with ears wide open.............<(*?*)> michael > > > Personally, I don't think you should be too shy about speaking your mind > about the effectiveness of these dubious rules/non-rules regarding free > improvisation. > As I read these postings I found myself thinking:- > "And you expect people to listen to this? > Why not let a bunch of kids jump on your instruments? > They have fewer preconceptions than us adults. > I've nothing against new music ideas but lets have ideas that work, (i > know your going to say I'm being judgemental) but I function on the > premise that there IS good music and bad music. From ???@??? Sun Oct 18 09:35:54 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id JAA29199; Sun, 18 Oct 1998 09:28:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 09:28:26 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199810181315.JAA22146@ulster.net> Subject: Monkeys, Improv, Zen Date: Sun, 18 Oct 98 09:13:45 -0500 x-sender: evening@pop.ulster.net x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: evening To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <"c2pHX1.0.2x6.2eUAs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2207 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >im listening to this as i write and all i can think is "how long would it >take 5 monkeys to re-create this music?" i dont want to think this, mind you, but >that is what keeps going through my head. I perform fairly regularly at the Knit (aka sweatshop of the avante-garde) & have often wondered the same thing - at others gigs as well my own. Usually this comes about because I'm trying to analyse the music in terms of the tradition within which I was taught, namely Contemporary Classical Western harmony/rhythm & "Standards" oriented jazz theory. It's an interesting phenomena - since "anything goes" improv (not the case always, I know, as there are often structures superimposed) is really a new form of music & would seem to require a new theory. I guess it comes down to "Where am I listening from?" If I'm coming from the "no parallel 5ths","ii-V-I" "sonata form" view point I'm sure to drive myself crazy. Of course, I don't listen to rock bands from the perspective of North Indian Classical music - although it would be an interesting (but probably disappointing) experiment! I've come to the personal conclusion that "free music" requires "free listening", which for me comes directly from my experience with meditation. I consider it extremely valuable whether playing or listening. There's lots of Zen epithets that could be used to describe it: "Just Sit", "just don't know" or my personal favorite "shut the f*ck up & listen!!" Seriously though - being able to just hear sounds as they occur and trusting the sounds that you choose as a player has changed they way that I relate to much of the "free" music that I hear & perform. well that's enough of that... peace, john From ???@??? Sun Oct 18 09:35:57 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id KAA03000; Sun, 18 Oct 1998 10:58:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 10:58:20 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <004501bdfaa5$59f024a0$6cf0ffd0@artmusic.gte> From: "future perfect" To: Subject: Monkey Music Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 10:41:10 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3115.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"xF4Jp2.0.NQ.RwVAs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2209 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com For me, it is easier to listen to free music if I know the 'noise' being made isn't just a limitation of of the performers involved. In other words, I can enjoy Thrakattak because I respect what the muscians involved are capable of. I guess some muscians have the option to make 'noise'- for some that is all they can do. To me, 'free improv' is more than making 'monkey music'. When skilled musicians get together and play freely, it certainly may be easy to create 'noise', but for me the trick is to balance that with what I know and like about harmony, melody and rhythm. Hopefully the end result (musical noise?) will be based more on creativity and skill than 'look how avant and deep I can be-dig?'. Dave Eichenberger ********************************************************************* 'Future Perfect' - art music http://home1.gte.net/artmusic/ >im listening to this as i write and all i can think is "how long would it take >5 monkeys to re-create this music?" i dont want to think this, mind you, but >that is what keeps going through my head. is this the free improv that has >been discussed over the past few days? i can see in some sense that as a >player this could be interesting but as a listener its a bit rough for me to >get behind. but i must admit, this gives me some idea as to what those (un- >lucky?) folks whom i have listen to my music must go through. this whole >concept of improv is a worthy topic which i hope to learn more about. for now >i am hipplessly shallow but with ears wide open.............<(*?*)> michael > From ???@??? Sun Oct 18 09:35:58 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id LAA03538; Sun, 18 Oct 1998 11:03:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 11:03:06 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <362A00D9.AEF33B8B@bellsouth.net> Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 10:53:14 -0400 From: Jeff Duke X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.07 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Free improv References: <199810180706.DAA08180@rosy.yourwebhost.com> <3629DEB9.BE27351E@dial.pipex.com> <3629EC6E.EB56DCF4@bellsouth.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"_odg91.0.nc.t2WAs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2210 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I typed that while smiling. I did not intend to sound ugly. Typing ideas is tough for me, hell my son says that I type slower than Stephen Hawkings. I have to agree with the monkees bit somewhat but I do like the textural, non-linear feel to free improve somtimes. onward through the fog, Jeff Jeff Duke wrote: > Damn, I really enjoyed the show, now I find out that its not good music, oh well. > What would you recomend instead? > > Jeff ( No taste) Duke > > Gareth Whittock wrote: > > > > << There is some wierd stuff going on now. Probably > > > rehersal >> > > > regarding: glenn branca > > > im listening to this as i write and all i can think is "how long would it take > > > 5 monkeys to re-create this music?" i dont want to think this, mind you, but > > > that is what keeps going through my head. is this the free improv that has > > > been discussed over the past few days? i can see in some sense that as a > > > player this could be interesting but as a listener its a bit rough for me to > > > get behind. but i must admit, this gives me some idea as to what those (un- > > > lucky?) folks whom i have listen to my music must go through. this whole > > > concept of improv is a worthy topic which i hope to learn more about. for now > > > i am hipplessly shallow but with ears wide open.............<(*?*)> michael > > > > > Personally, I don't think you should be too shy about speaking your mind > > about the effectiveness of these dubious rules/non-rules regarding free > > improvisation. > > As I read these postings I found myself thinking:- > > "And you expect people to listen to this? > > Why not let a bunch of kids jump on your instruments? > > They have fewer preconceptions than us adults. > > I've nothing against new music ideas but lets have ideas that work, (i > > know your going to say I'm being judgemental) but I function on the > > premise that there IS good music and bad music. From ???@??? Sun Oct 18 09:35:59 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id LAA06632; Sun, 18 Oct 1998 11:28:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 11:28:51 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <001301bdfaaa$13e067e0$d26703cf@rjiredff> From: "Jonathan Brainin" To: Subject: Spin-17 LIVE 2nite on internet! Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 11:12:16 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1257" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2120.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2120.0 Resent-Message-ID: <"lB1MZ2.0.vE1.jPWAs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2211 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >Sunday Oct 18 WFMU Live Broadcast from Jersey City, NJ 7PM > hosted by STORK Just so you folks know, WFMU broadcasts on the Internet so you'll be able to hear this performance tonight in the comfort of your home. Enter the following address in your RealPlayer to hear the show: pnm://206.190.42.148/wfmu.ra From ???@??? Sat Oct 17 12:25:59 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id LAA13021; Sat, 17 Oct 1998 11:58:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 11:58:17 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199810171551.LAA13085@shell.monmouth.com> Reply-To: From: "andre" To: Subject: Re: EDP Group Purchase Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 11:51:33 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"whpwd3.0.h13.QrBAs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2187 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com good luck.. great deal no - you can get the upgrade memory for a cheap price - $10-15 or so... check the LD page for links, sources have been discussed many times here. peace,andre' Homepage http://www.monmouth.com/~andre Info on my bands JFK's LSD UFO and HIDDEN AGENDA official PROJECT/OBJECT site http://www.jswd.net/projectobject [frank zappa tribute band i play guitar in] ---------- > From: Jonathan El-Bizri > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Subject: RE: EDP Group Purchase > Date: Friday, October 16, 1998 6:06 PM > > Hi, > > I just bought a Vortex and a Jamman for $300 over the net. This seemed like > an almost shadily good deal indeed (is it?) since I had recently seen them > going for more than that individually, but after fingering the seller's > email and talking to him on the phone, I decided that it was as safe as any > used gear deal I had done over the net and went ahead with it. > > So now I am waiting for UPS to show up with my potential bundle of COD > rage/joy (depending in whether everything works out or not), so that I can > join in the looping madness. > > However, the JamMan has only 8 seconds of memory. I understand that the > type of memory it uses can be difficult/expensive to obtain. Can anyone > recommend a source? Are they even still available anywhere? > > Thanks, > > Jonathan El-Bizri > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Matthew Turner [mailto:gturner@tstar.net] > > Sent: Friday, October 16, 1998 10:26 AM > > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > > Subject: Re: EDP Group Purchase - I got prices... > > > > > > evening wrote: > > > > > OK - here's the scoop. I talked with the owner of Alto Music in > > > Middletown, NY and told him I might be able to move 7 to 10 units ( > > > based > > > on the list response). > > > > > > $560 for the EDP > > > > > > $660 For both the EDP & Pedal + shipping (& tax if you're in NY) > > > > > > If we're gonna do this we'll have to work out some kind of pre-payment > > > > > > scheme since I'm sure he won't order $4000 - 5000 of EDP's on a > > > promise. > > > He's a very cool guy and ALWAYS gets me the best prices. > > > > > > peace, > > > > > > john > > > > > > (914) 266-8695 > > > > Hi, I just joined this list ... are we talking about the Oberheim > > Echoplex? > > > > > From ???@??? Sat Oct 17 12:25:56 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id MAA13550; Sat, 17 Oct 1998 12:03:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 12:03:16 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199810171556.LAA14683@shell.monmouth.com> Reply-To: From: "andre" To: Subject: Steve Reich Live tonight Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 11:56:31 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"8Nm0E.0.lA3.4wBAs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2188 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com anyone going to see "looper" Steve Reich tonite at BAM in Brooklyn...??? premiere of his and wife/partner Beryl Korot's HINDENBURG of course i'll torture you with a review if needed andre' From ???@??? Sat Oct 17 12:25:59 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id MAA15662; Sat, 17 Oct 1998 12:18:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 12:18:23 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199810171607.MAA17598@shell.monmouth.com> Reply-To: From: "andre" To: Subject: Re: Nels Cline w/ Watt last night @ the knitting factory Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 12:07:52 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"mV8G8.0.4Y3.i4CAs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2190 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > i saw nels cline last night and he was awesome. wowza!! that cat can play some > wild guitar. great concert. this was my 1st time ever seeing nels and i was > completely blown away. i know he did a little bit of looping a few times > during the show. thanx for the rave - i'm gonna go see them tomorrow night!!! PS - saw Steve Kimock last nite - with his new band KVHW - excellent - Kimock is a top notch, diverse player... I'll try to snag some Nels Cline gear info andre' From ???@??? Sun Oct 18 09:36:03 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id MAA13418; Sun, 18 Oct 1998 12:25:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 12:25:05 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 12:07:56 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Spin-17 Tour Fall Schedule Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 170 Resent-Message-ID: <"jEQDs3.0.3p2.LBXAs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2212 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Ed.......happy to see someone coming to pittsburgh and i do not have to work tue. nite. let me know if i can help in any way. the gig is in millvale huh? not really known for ... this type of program, but i dont get out much.....see ya there.......michael From ???@??? Sun Oct 18 11:57:13 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id MAA16595; Sun, 18 Oct 1998 12:55:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 12:55:28 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Reply-To: From: "Javier Miranda V." To: Subject: RE: process threads . . . or what have you Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 09:39:31 -0700 Message-ID: <002901bdfab5$e13f79a0$cf1e8ed1@electra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 In-Reply-To: <362932F9.F6FF6FE4@csi.com> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <"5i_PV1.0.Rj3.CfXAs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2213 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com If anybody knows about something like this in the Bay Area (or near Berkeley), please drop me a line. | -----Original Message----- | From: r_t_cummings@csi.com [mailto:r_t_cummings@csi.com] | Sent: Saturday 17 October 1998 5:15 PM | To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com | Subject: Re: process threads . . . or what have you | | | I find this whole thread, with its "COBRA" and "OPTION ANXIETY" aspects, | oddly coincidental with my current activities! | | I'm a percussionist/ looper etc. and I'm participating in a new version | of the Cobra game piece in Berlin, Germany. This version is called the | "Dirty Dozen" because it involves 12 players, 3 groups of 2 (=6) | rhythmatists and 3 groups of 2 (=6) melodiacs. The whole thing is based | around Goethe's color circle, the rhythm groups being the primary colors | (red, blue, yellow), the melody groups being the intermediates (purple, | green, orange). Each groups develops 2 themes which have to be | compatible depending on their position in the circle (e.g. green melody | fits with blue and yellow rhythm groups). From there it just gets more | complex! Roulette boards, monetary "credits", playing cards, hand | signals, a variety of "purchasable" positions such as berserkers, | directors, arseholes (seriously), harikirist, bartender are all | involved. All sorts of other rules are involved, which are too tedious | to go into here - in fact the "instruction manual" is about 6 pages | long! In many ways, this is the "German" ;-) version of Cobra, with no | offense to the German members of the list ... | | The problem I'm currently trying to deal with, is that I really don't | know how to incorporate my "loopy electro-stuff" into this already | complex gig. I was offered a rhythm job where I'm to counteract the | normal trap set drummer with elctro-processed rhythms. Oh man, after two | practices of very intense changes and color theme changes etc. - on top | of which I'm trying to make loops, change fx patches and play live (all | on the fly) - I've noticed it's a heck-of-alotta stress! :-( | | Talk about OPTION ANXIETY! | | I'm actually a drum set player originally but unfortunately this is not | my "job description" at this gig. I think I really have to chime in with | what's been said here - my current feeling is that this "Dirty Dozen" | gig is a little too much stress and too little fun. I agree that it's | wise to concentrate more of one's energy on just a few concepts. | | Sorry about the very extended post - I'm just feeling a little | exasperated ... | | Mr. Rob | | | Liebig, Steuart A. schrieb: | > | > > Yes, sometimes being too versatile can be a burden, I think | someone spoke | > > of 'option anxiety'. Especially true with the jazz world's | > > 'trademark-sound' guys. | > > | > > | > I tend to think of it as trying to bring something | special to the | > plate everytime I play - - having discrete musical experiences. | Maybe more | > like a painter or an author (oops, there I go again). In terms | of how I do | > things with compoistional frameworks for improv, I like to have | different | > settngs for much the same reason. Also, I figure that my personality is | > going to come through anyway, I just want the colors to be a little | > different from time to time. | > | > Option anxiety can be a problem . . . luckily I don't | have the time | > for it anymore :-) I just have to hone in a couple of selected | concepts. | > | > s | | | | From ???@??? Sun Oct 18 11:57:16 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id NAA18965; Sun, 18 Oct 1998 13:16:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 13:16:21 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <4d7ad0f0.362a1e7e@aol.com> Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 12:59:42 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Free improv Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 170 Resent-Message-ID: <"ltOCY.0.BG4.yyXAs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2214 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 10/18/98 11:36:07 AM Mid-Atlantic Standard Time, jmar@bellsouth.net writes: << Damn, I really enjoyed the show, now I find out that its not good music, oh well. What would you recomend instead? >> this may be a crass oversimplification: having read the bio blurb on the the site of the branca concert, i thought, this sounds like it might be wonderful. if i lived nearby i would have plonked down some hard earned money and gone to the show. as it is, my only investment was time and the further ailienation of my darling wife ("turn that down, the baby is trying to sleep") perhaps she thought it was me playing. my point is this, had i paid, i would have been dissapointed, but as a freebee, it was a great ear-opener. i did say this was a crass oversimplification. perhaps this is a whole other can of worms. dont take me wrong, this is not bragging, but when i listen to others music i want to hear things, sounds, textures,words that i do not create. i like to walk away thinking" i wish i could do that". but hearing random screaming, atonal guitar washes, bells and gongs and a very slack sounding drum my mind goes to the monkey music mode. i dont eat stewed tomatoes, but i would never say they are good or bad. maybe im just upset with the passing of frankie yankovitch, king of the polka, and am awaiting mr. goodmans loop of the week dedicated to him.........enuf...........michael From ???@??? Sun Oct 18 11:57:22 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id OAA27111; Sun, 18 Oct 1998 14:30:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 14:30:58 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <362A32C0.1A70606E@stic.net> Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 13:26:09 -0500 From: "James H. Sidlo" Organization: James H. Sidlo X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Nels Cline w/ Watt last night @ the knitting factory References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"skGvb.0.mI6.F6ZAs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2216 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com PJBMHB@aol.com wrote: > i saw nels cline last night and he was awesome. wowza!! that cat can play some > wild guitar. great concert. this was my 1st time ever seeing nels and i was > completely blown away. i know he did a little bit of looping a few times > during the show. anyone know what he was looping on? he had something with 3 > or 4 footswitches on his amp that he would mess with by hand. i assumed he had > an eh but couldn't really get a good look. nels is awesome. people should > totally check out mike watt's contemplating the engine room. great disc. > excellent concert. > =-) PJ He (Nels Cline) is excellent. If the diversity of his recorded materiel is any example. I'd really like to see him live. I seriously doubt he'll ever show up in Texas. Cheers, James From ???@??? Sun Oct 18 11:57:23 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id OAA28265; Sun, 18 Oct 1998 14:39:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 14:39:16 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Reply-To: From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: Subject: RE: Free improv Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 11:27:15 -0700 Message-ID: <000401bdfac4$ef71f980$a132dacf@stepheng> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 In-Reply-To: <4d7ad0f0.362a1e7e@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: <"SiYRf1.0.0a6.ODZAs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2217 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Nemoguitt@aol.com intoned: > ...hearing random screaming, atonal guitar washes, > bells and gongs and a very slack sounding drum my mind > goes to the monkey music mode. All I heard was random and unintelligible yelling. Kind of like one of the 32 tracks from a Laurie Anderson show. No, it wasn't THAT coherent. I ended up being reminded all too well of NYC "Art" world, when I was growing up in the state across the river from it, and a yahoo who would have himself crucified on various objects, once a VW bug's hood. This was actually in the Museum of Modern Art as an installation, until the fool had lost enough blood to require a hospital stay. All the time, the patrons of this Real Gone Crapola would stand around, pretending they all "get it", sipping their whatevers but never directly discussing the piece, lest they reveal that they don't really know what the hell is going on, but they sure paid for it. Don't get me wrong, now - I'm a diehard Warhol enthusiast, and I really appreciate the relative openness of the Art scene in NYC (compared to LA, which more than deserves another earthquake). I'll also admit that my first viewing of DNA made me wish I had their instruments, which they seemed to be abusing greatly at the time. But I had to wonder what kind of smack people have gotten into, when I hear what appeared to be a total waste of bandwidth like last night. At least it wasn't at OUR expense. Then I'd be furious. Instead, I just hit the 'X' on the upper-right corner of the window, and went back to trying to figure out whom to dedicate the LOTW to. Yes, folks, I may actually be forced by circumstance to dedicate the bloody thing to Frankie Yankovik. I'm still choking on the idea though, and remembering the Gary Larsen cartoon: "Welcome to Heaven - Here's your harp." "Welcome to Hell - Here's your accordion." [rolling eyes] Oh, the pain, the pain.... Stephen GoodmanÊ -Ê It's... The Loop Of The Week! EarthLight StudiosÊ -Ê http://www.earthlight.net/Studios From ???@??? Sun Oct 18 13:05:07 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id OAA29538; Sun, 18 Oct 1998 14:51:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 14:51:06 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Dpcoffin@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 14:40:16 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Re: Free improv Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 84 Resent-Message-ID: <"eD4aV3.0.y_6.AQZAs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2218 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >Damn, I really enjoyed the show, now I find out that its not good music, oh well. >What would you recomend instead? Back in the late 60's, when I was studying painting, a smart friend dropped a one-liner about "ART" on me that's proved enlightening and useful ever since, at least when applied to my own reactions: "Good art generates more art" From ???@??? Sun Oct 18 11:57:20 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id OAA23941; Sun, 18 Oct 1998 14:06:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 14:06:06 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <362A3886.158CB31@vtx.ch> Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 19:50:46 +0100 From: Claude Voit Reply-To: c.voit@vtx.ch X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [fr] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight Subject: group purchase do it private <:?) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"b6ACS3.0.YZ5.AjYAs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2215 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Dear friends It would be cool if you made up a private newsgroup at for example http://www.egroups.com/listman?method=display_startnewlist and make a dayly or whathever post here with a link to the _EDP group buy lobby_ because I'm not sure that all those transactions etc... is for any interest for the "no budjet" loopers on the list. le grand mechant loop Claude (will I get my first flames?) From ???@??? Sun Oct 18 13:05:08 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id PAA31604; Sun, 18 Oct 1998 15:06:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 15:06:49 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 14:56:07 -0400 From: Andreas Willers Subject: Re: process threads . . . or what have you Sender: Andreas Willers To: "INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Message-ID: <199810181456_MC2-5D18-73FC@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"XPF383.0.uO7.qeZAs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2219 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Rob, where & when are you performing, who's gig is it? I know that Butch Morris did a version of his 'conducted improv'-orchestra called 'Berlin Scyscraper' last year at the 'Podewil'...but this sounds different. From ???@??? Sun Oct 18 13:05:10 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id PAA32487; Sun, 18 Oct 1998 15:14:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 15:14:06 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19981018190050.11380.rocketmail@web4.rocketmail.com> Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 12:00:49 -0700 (PDT) From: "Rev. Doubt-Goat" Subject: Cheap 'Rangs? To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"QZuyw1.0.Qh7.vlZAs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2220 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com 93 I was in my favorite guitar store the other day, and saw ye olde Boomerang at $349 for 1 min. I haven't seen 'em this cheap before, and have been thinking of asking Santa for one. He's also got the 4 min. for $449. Isn't the upgrade with SIMM's? Or am I off me rocker? Anyway, The place is called Guitar Crazy, in Portland, OR. 503-238-4487 ask for Bob. 93 Rev. Doubt-Goat === The Homepages of the Doubt-Goat The Darsan Trio Sekhet Maat Oasis, O.T.O. Lion & Serpent http://www.easystreet.com/~twilliam _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From ???@??? Sun Oct 18 13:05:12 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id PAA01351; Sun, 18 Oct 1998 15:29:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 15:29:39 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <362A3E31.1F2DD339@bellsouth.net> Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 15:14:57 -0400 From: Jeff Duke X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.07 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Free improv References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"mYiQQ3.0.Py7.EuZAs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2221 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I like it, words to live by. jeff Dpcoffin@aol.com wrote:Back in the late 60's, when I was studying painting, a smart friend dropped a > one-liner about "ART" on me that's proved enlightening and useful ever since, > at least when applied to my own reactions: > > "Good art generates more art" From ???@??? Sun Oct 18 13:05:13 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id PAA02846; Sun, 18 Oct 1998 15:42:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 15:42:58 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Crossedout@aol.com Message-ID: <9de4756a.362a4146@aol.com> Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 15:28:06 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Free improv Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Resent-Message-ID: <"6Pp373.0.tM.Z7aAs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2222 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 10/18/98 7:37:07 AM Central Daylight Time, whiteoak@dial.pipex.com writes: << Why not let a bunch of kids jump on your instruments? They have fewer preconceptions than us adults.>> Actually, I have seen cd's of just this - kids being handed instruments or given the most rudimentary instruction and then let loose, this being the logical extension of the idea of getting to a "pure source", rather than letting too much technique or schooling interfere with your connection to the muse. The only recordings of that sort I have heard so far are the Kids of Whitney High "Special Music for Special Kids" and the Shaggs "Shaggs Own Thing" albums, both on Rounder. The first being a group of developmentally- challenged kids being taught the basics of music theory and songwriting and then set to creating thier own songs, the second being a group of three teen sisters writing thier own rock album back in the mid 60's, when they were scarcely able to play thier instruments... both projects interesting, but not what I'd call daily listening. << I've nothing against new music ideas but lets have ideas that work, (i know your going to say I'm being judgemental) but I function on the premise that there IS good music and bad music. >> Yes, but that's still an individual choice. I can't stand some of the more "out" jazz my best friend listens to, and he likewise can't stand a lot of the 80's pop that clutters my collection. Does that mean that out jazz or 80's pop are bad? Or good? or is it up to the individual? - Bill Crossedout@aol.com From ???@??? Sun Oct 18 15:21:30 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id PAA03908; Sun, 18 Oct 1998 15:51:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 15:51:41 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Crossedout@aol.com Message-ID: <948e7055.362a42b2@aol.com> Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 15:34:10 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Free improv Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Resent-Message-ID: <"0b6rt2.0.mX.6DaAs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2223 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 10/18/98 1:49:44 PM Central Daylight Time, Dpcoffin@aol.com writes: << "Good art generates more art" >> Ahhh, but bad art also generates more art, both by people who say "that's not good art, I'LL show you what GOOD art is", but also by people who say "damn, I can do that and get (money/a showing/ a blow job/ fame / infamy) for it!" - Bill Crossedout@aol.com From ???@??? Sun Oct 18 15:21:32 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id QAA06290; Sun, 18 Oct 1998 16:08:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 16:08:23 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Paolo Valladolid Message-Id: <199810181953.MAA11487@waynesworld.ucsd.edu> Subject: Re: Free improv To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 12:53:16 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <3629DEB9.BE27351E@dial.pipex.com> from "Gareth Whittock" at Oct 18, 98 01:27:37 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"WTbAl2.0.L41.5UaAs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2224 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > Personally, I don't think you should be too shy about speaking your mind > about the effectiveness of these dubious rules/non-rules regarding free > improvisation. > As I read these postings I found myself thinking:- > "And you expect people to listen to this? > Why not let a bunch of kids jump on your instruments? > They have fewer preconceptions than us adults. > I've nothing against new music ideas but lets have ideas that work, (i > know your going to say I'm being judgemental) but I function on the > premise that there IS good music and bad music. I agree with your last sentence. Just as there is good rock and bad rock, good jazz and bad jazz, etc. there is also good free improv and bad free improv. Good free improv has a conversation going on between two or more musicians (which is why, I think, it is a tough assignment to do good free improv solo because you're basically talking to yourself). If you think about it, conversations in real life are never pre-planned. I do not have a script that I read from and memorize before I talk to you and I bet you do not have one either before you talk to me. Good free improv is like good conversation. I guess its no coincidence that when I hear free improv I don't like, it sounds like at least one person is not listening to the other(s). Cheers, Paolo From ???@??? Sun Oct 18 15:21:33 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id QAA10354; Sun, 18 Oct 1998 16:47:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 16:47:18 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <362A5297.47C7@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 13:41:59 -0700 From: Andre LaFosse Reply-To: altruist@earthlink.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-MACOS8 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Monkey Music References: <004501bdfaa5$59f024a0$6cf0ffd0@artmusic.gte> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"sWkIr1.0.v52.A-aAs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2225 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com future perfect wrote: > > For me, it is easier to listen to free music if I know the 'noise' being > made isn't just a limitation of of the performers involved. In other words, > I can enjoy Thrakattak because I respect what the muscians involved are > capable of. See, this is an extremely problematic issue for me. It smacks of what I'd call the emperor's new clothes syndrome -- the music in quesiton is judged more on the pedigree of the players than on the actual sound that's produced. At this point in time, I've got very little patience for music that needs some sort of extra-musical justification in order to have it hold up -- be it the intellecual conceptualism behind an experimental project that doesn't hold up on its own, or the straight-ahead pedigree that gives a jazz player the licence to then play "out" and not be chastized by his peers, or the talk of "breakbeat science" and "progression" that's used to pass of the profoundly stiff and boring sounds of a lot of modern drum & bass. Not meant as a flame to anyone; maybe I'll see the light later on. But I find it awfully frustrating when people find themselves obligated to give music a certain amount of automatic regard simply by virtue of associations of any kind. It's *sound*, for crying out loud! What does it *sound* like?! --Andre From ???@??? Sun Oct 18 15:21:37 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id QAA11812; Sun, 18 Oct 1998 16:58:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 16:58:45 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <002701bdfad8$6efe9560$e66703cf@rjiredff> From: "Jonathan Brainin" To: Subject: Fw: Oberheim Echoplex Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 16:46:46 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2120.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2120.0 Resent-Message-ID: <"uK9Md1.0.4e2.sHbAs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2229 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com For you euro-loopers searching for an EDP: >For sale; >Oberheim Echoplex, with max, Sample-RAM (196 sec loop-time) >$ 550,- plus shipping from Germany >Pieter From ???@??? Sun Oct 18 15:21:38 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id RAA14370; Sun, 18 Oct 1998 17:19:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 17:19:10 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 17:03:08 -0400 From: Andreas Willers Subject: Re: Free improv Sender: Andreas Willers To: "INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Message-ID: <199810181703_MC2-5D14-F5E7@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"wylgL3.0.E73.CWbAs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2230 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com -------------------- Begin Original Message -------------------- Message text written by INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com "I guess its no coincidence that when I hear free improv I don't like, it sounds like at least one person is not listening to the other(s)." -------------------- End Original Message -------------------- A very important point that applies to all other styles as well !!!! Sit in at a bebop jam-session, start you solo with a clearly stated rhythmic pattern to lock in while turning around to the rhythm section and look - they'll probably buy you ten beers that night.... From ???@??? Sun Oct 18 15:21:40 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id RAA15128; Sun, 18 Oct 1998 17:26:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 17:26:26 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <362A5B0B.C2F91F84@texas.net> Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 16:18:05 -0500 From: Bobdog Catlin Reply-To: psbuddha@texas.net Organization: Pseudo Buddha/Doghouse Ent. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers Delight Subject: Monkeys, music, typewriters Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"SbNc-3.0._R3.pgbAs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2232 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com i like monkeys. i like dwarfs. i especially like dogs. i think a band that had all three groups represented, equally or unequally, wolud: 1) be entertaining 2) be a mess to clean up after 3) make a boatload of $ 4) be horrible to listen to "would that be good or bad" doesn't matter, it would kick ass. whatever, bobdog From ???@??? Sun Oct 18 16:42:56 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id SAA20993; Sun, 18 Oct 1998 18:23:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 18:23:46 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <362A670A.2BC7F38@bway.net> Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 18:09:14 -0400 From: Matthew Pierce X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: John Schaeffer the excellent References: <199810182105.RAA05059@shell.monmouth.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"rE7wr2.0.Ax4.FYcAs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2233 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com andre wrote: > for those of you not in the NYC area... John has hosted a show called "NEW > SOUNDS" on Wnyc for many years.. i shocked him when... Unfortunately you did shock him. John is a man who deserves more reward than he receives and humbly continues to keep the torch of new music afire. He has also been pivotal for me and my close friends and will continue to be so. All members of this list need to know who this man is. MP From ???@??? Sun Oct 18 16:42:58 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id TAA27572; Sun, 18 Oct 1998 19:26:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 19:26:18 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <008901bdfaec$99a38be0$6ff2ffd0@artmusic.gte> From: "future perfect" To: Subject: Re: Monkey Music Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 19:11:11 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3115.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"G0p-w1.0.MR6.gOdAs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2234 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com The key words in my post were 'for me'. I know that lots of people can appreciate music on all levels no matter who performs it. For some reason, I can't. Also, with 20 years of schooled guitar and music studying, it is hard for me to not listen to the music, and try to figure out where it came from. If I know someone's body of work, for me, I seem to appreciate the music more in context. I am also more liable to sit there and listen to it, and not write it off as 'noise showcasing the limitations of the performer'. For that reason, I got into experimental music by way of jazz and rock. There were musicians I studied, and I bought their recordings- then they went all 'weird' on me, and I liked it. Sometimes I hear something and I don't know if I think it is good. I have to look outside the music for help in this area. How does this fit in with the artist's body of work? Is this CD just a contractual obligation for the artist, consisting of outtakes, etc? Do I have any evidence that the artist has studied music and their instrument? Does it influence my own studies? Do I think this way to justify those music comp classes I took, and the endless hours of lessons? I can't seem to listen to stuff these days with entirely fresh ears-kinda like an ad exec that looks at commercials. Well the good thing is that there is all types out there, and we can appreciate the way we each view experimental music without thinking it is 'wrong'. Dave Eichenberger ********************************************************************* 'Future Perfect' - art music http://home1.gte.net/artmusic/ >> >> For me, it is easier to listen to free music if I know the 'noise' being >> made isn't just a limitation of of the performers involved. In other words, >> I can enjoy Thrakattak because I respect what the muscians involved are >> capable of. > >See, this is an extremely problematic issue for me. It smacks of what >I'd call the emperor's new clothes syndrome -- the music in quesiton is >judged more on the pedigree of the players than on the actual sound >that's produced. > >At this point in time, I've got very little patience for music that >needs some sort of extra-musical justification in order to have it hold >up -- be it the intellecual conceptualism behind an experimental project >that doesn't hold up on its own, or the straight-ahead pedigree that >gives a jazz player the licence to then play "out" and not be chastized >by his peers, or the talk of "breakbeat science" and "progression" >that's used to pass of the profoundly stiff and boring sounds of a lot >of modern drum & bass. > >--Andre > From ???@??? Sun Oct 18 16:43:00 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id TAA28621; Sun, 18 Oct 1998 19:35:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 19:35:22 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199810182326.TAA30925@ulster.net> Subject: EDP frenzy & it's effects on bandwidth Date: Sun, 18 Oct 98 19:24:59 -0500 x-sender: evening@pop.ulster.net x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: evening To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <"p1x5Y.0.7m6._adAs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2235 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >Dear friends > >It would be cool if you made up a private newsgroup at for example >http://www.egroups.com/listman?method=display_startnewlist >and make a dayly or whathever post here with a link to the _EDP group >buy lobby_ > >because I'm not sure that all those transactions etc... is for any >interest for the "no budjet" loopers on the list. > >le grand mechant loop >Claude I've been wondering if the back & forth posts would get to be a bit much for the list. Wherever possible I've tried to keep the emails private & hopefully succint without leaving out anything important. Apologies for any inconvenience. Anyway the info is out there - if anyone wants to buy one all you gotta do is call. If you need the contact onfo please email me privately. jmw From ???@??? Sun Oct 18 18:07:21 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id UAA05085; Sun, 18 Oct 1998 20:43:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 20:43:38 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <362A8962.5289207B@bellsouth.net> Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 20:35:46 -0400 From: Jeff Duke X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.07 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Subject: free improv Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"4MWry2.0.311.7beAs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2236 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com what do you think? lineage or not. From ???@??? Sun Oct 18 18:07:22 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id UAA05433; Sun, 18 Oct 1998 20:46:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 20:46:09 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 20:36:03 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: a quick question Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 170 Resent-Message-ID: <"Dhepn2.0.N71.zdeAs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2237 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com i spent the day figuring out how to use my 5 sec. sampler on my Q2(Alesis)...... i also figured out how to get my puter to feed sounds to the Q2....... all of this sillyness then is fed to my ever so hungry "rang"...... needless to say, a new addiction! i have real audio on my puter and was wondering where i might find "sounds" on the net? any direction would be most wonderful.........thanks.........michael (just another monkey looking for noise) From ???@??? Sun Oct 18 19:11:48 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id VAA07081; Sun, 18 Oct 1998 21:00:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 21:00:34 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: matthias@mail.grob.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199810181953.MAA11487@waynesworld.ucsd.edu> References: <3629DEB9.BE27351E@dial.pipex.com> from "Gareth Whittock" at Oct 18, 98 01:27:37 pm Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 02:47:38 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Free improv and conversation Resent-Message-ID: <"DeSkz1.0.qQ1.toeAs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2238 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >> Personally, I don't think you should be too shy about speaking your mind >> about the effectiveness of these dubious rules/non-rules regarding free >> improvisation. >> As I read these postings I found myself thinking:- >> "And you expect people to listen to this? >> Why not let a bunch of kids jump on your instruments? >> They have fewer preconceptions than us adults. >> I've nothing against new music ideas but lets have ideas that work, (i >> know your going to say I'm being judgemental) but I function on the >> premise that there IS good music and bad music. > >I agree with your last sentence. Just as there is good rock and bad rock, >good jazz and bad jazz, etc. there is also good free improv and bad free >improv. > >Good free improv has a conversation going on between two or more musicians >(which is why, I think, it is a tough assignment to do good free improv >solo because you're basically talking to yourself). If you think about >it, conversations in real life are never pre-planned. I do not have a >script that I read from and memorize before I talk to you and I bet you >do not have one either before you talk to me. Good free improv is like >good conversation. I love this comparison, but I think there is more to it. I even had the impression that musical comunication is unnecessary or "distracting" once all members listen to the same inspiration source. Its really like in a good conversation: you end up saying things you did not know before. From ???@??? Sun Oct 18 19:11:49 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id VAA07702; Sun, 18 Oct 1998 21:05:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 21:05:24 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: aden@pop.ne.mediaone.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199810171747.NAA29813@ulster.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 20:58:44 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Aden Evens Subject: On the off chance . . . Resent-Message-ID: <"_mFrM3.0.0k1.QyeAs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2239 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I know it's a stretch, but you brought up Steve Reich . . . I'm looking for two recordings, one of La Monte Young's "Second Dream" and one of Stockhausen's "Konkrete". If anyone has a spare lying around, I'd be happy to let you extort me for it. Thanks, ### ## ### Aden ### ## ### From ???@??? Sun Oct 18 19:11:51 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id VAA09645; Sun, 18 Oct 1998 21:19:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 21:19:43 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19981019010810.4723.rocketmail@send1d.yahoomail.com> Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 18:08:10 -0700 (PDT) From: robert kolosowski Subject: EDP voltage bulk buy To: loopers -delight MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"9vIaA2.0.I02.l5fAs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2240 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Can someone look on the back of their EDP to see if it's got the 110/220 voltage selection switch on the back. This is an issue for we 'foreigners' who need 240 volts 50/60 hz thanks == Robert Kolosowski Kolosoro@Yahoo.com _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From ???@??? Sun Oct 18 19:11:52 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id VAA09918; Sun, 18 Oct 1998 21:21:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 21:21:41 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Reply-To: From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: , Subject: RE: LOTW suggestion Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 18:10:56 -0700 Message-ID: <000901bdfafd$571f9780$1022dacf@stepheng> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000A_01BDFAC2.AAC9E740" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <199810182040.QAA29337@shell.monmouth.com> Resent-Message-ID: <"2gElO1.0.L62.K8fAs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2241 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com

andre [mailto:andre@monmouth.com] submitted:
> ...and i would humbly submit, howza bout a loop o'the week for:
> roddy mcdowall - actor, esp know for planet of the apes series
>
> cleveland amory - animal rights activist, esp known for
> protecting the apes of this planet

Ahem! :)  You got some kind of ape thing, huh? [wink]

Last week's LOTW was dedicated to Roddy (though I misspelled his name!  It's "McDowell"), and, having replaced it today, the dedication text follows:

Roddy McDowall (1928-1998), who you probably know passed October 3, at his Los Angeles home. He had been diagnosed in April earlier with cancer.

Born September 17, 1928, Roddy McDowell's acting career began in England at age 8, in the film "Murder in the Family." In 1940, following the outbreak of WWII, he and his mother came to Hollywood (to escape the Blitz), and in 1941 he attained stardom with a leading role in "How Green Was My Valley," with Maureen O'Hara and Donald Crisp. In 1943 he starred in both "My Friend Flicka" and "Lassie Come Home," the last of which co-starred Elizabeth Taylor, who had also emigrated to Hollywood to escape the war. The two became lifelong friends.

In 1950 Roddy temporarily retired from films, turning to stage and television; he recounted later that, while he repeatedly was given "child" roles, he perceived the difference between being a child actor and an adult one, and decided to become an "adult actor." He returned to films in "The Subterraneans" (1960), "The Longest Day" (1962), and "Cleopatra" (1963), in which he was reunited with his old friend, who played the title role. He also appeared as Malcolm in Orson Welles' "MacBeth.''

In 1967, he took on the role of Cornelius in "Planet of the Apes", the beginning of a series of films (though he was contractually unable to be in the second), the last in 1973, recreating the role for television in 1974. He appeared on an episode of "Hotel" with Elizabeth Taylor, before returning to film in "The Poseidon Adventure" (1972), "Funny Lady" (1975), and more.

Roddy McDowell's other films, more than 140 at the actor's count, include "Inside Daisy Clover," "Bedknobs and Broomsticks," "The Legend of Hell House," "Fright Night," and "It!" His television work, which was the majority of his work in the 1980s and 90's, includes "The Martian Chronicles," "Alice in Wonderland," and "Around the World in 80 Days."

A longtime student of film, he gathered one of the largest private collections of classic movies, (though an FBI raid with mucho fanfare in 1975 depleted his collection completely) and was prominent in the film restoral movement to the last.

His photography is well-known as more than a passion outside of Hollywood, spanning more than several magazines and 40 years, including Elixabeth Taylor's nude layout for Playboy in 1963. His photo books (1966's "Double Exposure" for example) are still high sellers, and he was praised for his ability to allow the best in his subjects to show through in the work.. (This ability did not however translate to directing, and his sole effort in 1970 was less than successful.

In 1985 McDowall and actress Deborah Kerr were honored at an American Cinema Awards banquet in Hollywood. Among the tributes to the two stars at the time are the following, which were only echoed immediately after his passing. President Reagan sent telegrammed that "Deborah and Roddy are two of filmdom's brightest and most enduring stars. Each, in their own way, has brought a special magic to the movie screen.''

Elizabeth Taylor called Roddy "a genius at friendship,'' and said that her family chose the actor to inform her of the deaths of her former husband Richard Burton and good friend "Monty'' Clift. "`They trusted his inherent wisdom and warmth,'' she said. "They trusted him with my life to keep me together, and he did,'' she told the audience.

Roddy himself added, ``Love, affection, strength and friendship, that is the mortar of one's survival. And my life has been blessed, inundated, by those extraordinary qualities from an army of people."

I just replaced it with one for Frankie Yankovic.  Having been impressed enough with not only general public reaction to his life, but especially his wife's quote, which I put on the site.  I should mention with respect to Cleveland Amory, whose comments many of us read weekly in TV Guide at least, that, as part of the Media (and especially the news industry), he's got enough of a crowd of people with superior access to media that have and will eulogize him.  I try to find people who for the most part may not get more than a mention in the latter part of the NY Times Obit section, despite their accomplishments; someone you might not have heard of.  Well, there are exceptions, in cases where they're people I particularly like - but I doubt greatly whether newspeople will ever make the LOTW.  Even the venerable John Holliman from CNN didn't make it, for just that reason.  Neither can I do it for anyone with a political career, since, again, they've already got lots of public mourners, dubious or not; I wanted to dedicate one to Barry Goldwater, a particularly misunderstood politician, but again could not.

Sorry bout the long wind.  Go Yankees!

Stephen Goodman  -  It's... The Loop Of The Week (Frankie Yankovic)!
EarthLight Studios  -  http://www.earthlight.net/Studios
 From ???@??? Sun Oct 18 19:12:06 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id VAA11340; Sun, 18 Oct 1998 21:33:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 21:33:00 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Paolo Valladolid Message-Id: <199810190124.SAA12855@waynesworld.ucsd.edu> Subject: Re: free improv To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 18:24:31 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <362A8962.5289207B@bellsouth.net> from "Jeff Duke" at Oct 18, 98 08:35:46 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"LX6g83.0.5a2.fKfAs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2242 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > > what do you think? lineage or not. > > ??? Cheers, Paolo From ???@??? Sun Oct 18 19:12:09 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id VAA14832; Sun, 18 Oct 1998 21:58:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 21:58:02 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19981019014447.8755.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [209.64.195.188] From: "ur eye" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: VG-8 or 2112 Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 18:44:47 PDT Resent-Message-ID: <"1qcDR1.0.pH3.6efAs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2243 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Ok, this may seem like comparing oranges & apples but.... I'm trying to choose between these. Does anyone have any comments regarding just the parts you can compare? Like the basic guitar timbre processing of the VG-8(or the synthesis there of?) I would especially like to hear from you folks who loop with a VG-8. Stuff like how you configure your loop setup w/ the unit. As a blossiming Guitar player/looper, I am ready to move up from my lowly SE-50 to a "real" guitar processor. I use a GR-50 also and get into adding a little something special to that core analog sound from my STRAT. That core sound is what impressed me about the Digitech 2112. On the other hand I like synthesized sound too so here lies my problem. Are the various pickup config patches on the VG reasonably comparable to the 'ol analog ways? Thanks, -Dennis ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From ???@??? Sun Oct 18 21:56:50 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id WAA19557; Sun, 18 Oct 1998 22:27:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 22:27:32 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <66be278d.362aa08b@aol.com> Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 22:14:35 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: i promise my last post of the day Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 170 Resent-Message-ID: <"7cHEv.0.5H4.M5gAs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2244 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com in my search for sounds i came across this http://www.teleport.com/~kevinf/worldmusic.html wow!..........michael From ???@??? Sun Oct 18 21:56:52 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id WAA20859; Sun, 18 Oct 1998 22:37:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 22:37:38 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <19981019010810.4723.rocketmail@send1d.yahoomail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 19:18:56 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: EDP voltage bulk buy Resent-Message-ID: <"xy-IA3.0.Pb4.m9gAs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2245 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >Can someone look on the back of their EDP to see if it's got the >110/220 voltage selection switch on the back. >This is an issue for we 'foreigners' who need 240 volts 50/60 hz >thanks > yep, it sure does. (designed it meself....) The 110 setting will also work fine down at 100V for Japan. 50/60hz doesn't matter. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Sun Oct 18 21:56:51 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id WAA20314; Sun, 18 Oct 1998 22:33:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 22:33:14 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Collins" To: Subject: Re: On the off chance . . . Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 22:21:43 -0400 Message-ID: <01bdfb07$3669fb20$2d1bbfa8@0QHC6SIA> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"T7tPR2.0.Rg4.TBgAs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2246 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com you can get La Monte Young's second dream "brass ensemble" through Grammovision. Or go to... http://www.virtulink.com/mela/MAIN.HTM and you just may be able to get ahold of the original. About Stockhausen, was that supposed to be Kontakte? For i do have that also. Jeff Collins -----Original Message----- From: Aden Evens To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Sunday, October 18, 1998 9:03 PM Subject: On the off chance . . . >I know it's a stretch, but you brought up Steve Reich . . . > >I'm looking for two recordings, one of La Monte Young's "Second Dream" and >one of Stockhausen's "Konkrete". If anyone has a spare lying around, I'd be >happy to let you extort me for it. Thanks, > > > ### ## ### > Aden > ### ## ### > > > From ???@??? Sun Oct 18 21:56:54 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id XAA24468; Sun, 18 Oct 1998 23:05:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 23:05:46 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Crossedout@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 22:37:50 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: VG-8 or 2112 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Resent-Message-ID: <"1tPnv1.0.4A5.rPgAs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2247 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 10/18/98 8:56:45 PM Central Daylight Time, ureye@hotmail.com writes: << As a blossiming Guitar player/looper, I am ready to move up from my lowly SE-50 to a "real" guitar processor. >> What's wrong with the SE-50? I've been using one for years and have always been happy with it's performance and it's ease of use. And unlike some of the guitar-specific boxes I've used, the SE-50 can be used on damn near anything and still sound good. What makes this one not a "real" guitar processor? - Bill Crossedout@aol.com From ???@??? Sun Oct 18 21:56:55 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id XAA26676; Sun, 18 Oct 1998 23:27:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 23:27:56 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: aden@pop.ne.mediaone.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <01bdfb07$3669fb20$2d1bbfa8@0QHC6SIA> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 23:03:06 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Aden Evens Subject: Re: On the off chance . . . Resent-Message-ID: <"iqSFx2.0.bx5.0ngAs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2248 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Jeff, Thanks so much for your quick response. I hadn't found that link to the MELA foundation, and it looks useful. However, they don't sell the recording of the 'Second Dream'. Grammavision is distributed by Rykodisc, and they list La Monte Young as one of their artists, but don't currently have anything in their catalog by him. So . . . dead end. The Stockhausen I was referring to is fully titled, "Konkrete und Electronische Musik". It's the one with 'Gesange der Junglinge' on it. It was originally on the Stockhausen label. Actually, I am just looking for a recording of that piece, so if you know of somewhere else . . . Again, thanks for the effort. Aden >you can get La Monte Young's second dream "brass ensemble" through >Grammovision. Or go to... >http://www.virtulink.com/mela/MAIN.HTM >and you just may be able to get ahold of the original. > >About Stockhausen, was that supposed to be Kontakte? For i do have that >also. >Jeff Collins From ???@??? Mon Oct 19 00:25:04 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id BAA09478; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 01:27:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 01:27:23 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <362ABC29.AAAE0A0A@latrobe.edu.au> Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 15:12:24 +1100 From: Brad Knox Reply-To: B.Knox@latrobe.edu.au X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Subject: Re: Monkey Music References: <004501bdfaa5$59f024a0$6cf0ffd0@artmusic.gte> <362A5297.47C7@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"w8zcl1.0.g82.pliAs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2250 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Andre LaFosse wrote: > > future perfect wrote: > > > > For me, it is easier to listen to free music if I know the 'noise' being > > made isn't just a limitation of of the performers involved. In other words, > > I can enjoy Thrakattak because I respect what the muscians involved are > > capable of. > > See, this is an extremely problematic issue for me. It smacks of what > I'd call the emperor's new clothes syndrome -- the music in quesiton is > judged more on the pedigree of the players than on the actual sound > that's produced. > > At this point in time, I've got very little patience for music that > needs some sort of extra-musical justification in order to have it hold > up -- be it the intellecual conceptualism behind an experimental project > that doesn't hold up on its own, or the straight-ahead pedigree that > gives a jazz player the licence to then play "out" and not be chastized > by his peers, or the talk of "breakbeat science" and "progression" > that's used to pass of the profoundly stiff and boring sounds of a lot > of modern drum & bass. > > Not meant as a flame to anyone; maybe I'll see the light later on. But > I find it awfully frustrating when people find themselves obligated to > give music a certain amount of automatic regard simply by virtue of > associations of any kind. It's *sound*, for crying out loud! What does > it *sound* like?! > > --Andre i would agree here up to a point... not long ago i was listening to fripp's "that which passes" when a (non-musician) friend walked in.. she asked "whats that, keyboard?" and i said "no, its just one guitar"... she said "wow, hmmmm... if it was keyboard would you be listening to this?"... hmmm.. if someone made music *exactly* like fripp's soundscape series (and there was no fripp) using multitracked keyboards... would you buy it? i dont think i would (well, at least i wouldnt actively seek it out)... but while it may seem a bit more logical making this sort of music using *all* the technology available, i think the limits imposed by just having one guitar *does* give it some sort of extra-musical justification (just dont ask me to pin it down). sometimes knowing the setup/process/players can turn the sound into a more satisfying thing or kill it completely for me, other times it just doesnt matter (i once heard this amazing piece that turned out to be a few contact mikes on some telephone lines in the desert -- i was kind of bummed that no-one was actually *playing* but still very much enjoyed it) brad From ???@??? Mon Oct 19 00:25:01 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id BAA08983; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 01:22:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 01:22:43 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19981019051011.28455.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [12.11.140.10] From: "ur eye" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: VG-8 or 2112 Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 22:10:11 PDT Resent-Message-ID: <"xcHBO1.0.e-1.feiAs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2249 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Maybe I haven't played with the presets enough. Don't get me wrong, I love my SE. In fact I'm just going to move it over to my DX-7. I never even imagined getting rid of it.Maybe you have some patches that would make me reconsider? As far as the 2112 was concerned I was really impressed with the tube preamplification, not to mention the dual processor which added to the amount of drool I experienced whilst testing that baby. Again, I never really aaltered the SE's patches other than a little noise suppression. I've only been playing guitar for as long as I've owned the SE which is almost a year in addition to learning MIDI so that hasn't left much mental space for redesigning patches. I would definately be interested if you came up with anything sweet. Let me know. Thanks, -D ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From ???@??? Mon Oct 19 00:25:03 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id BAA09724; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 01:29:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 01:29:59 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Dpcoffin@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 01:20:32 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Re: Free improv Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 84 Resent-Message-ID: <"9rhuR1.0.kC2.goiAs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2251 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com ><< "Good art generates more art" >> > >Ahhh, but bad art also generates more art, both by people who say "that's not >good art, I'LL show you what GOOD art is", but also by people who say "damn, I >can do that and get (money/a showing/ a blow job/ fame / infamy) for it!" Didn't mean to suggest a definitive, or exclusive, summing-up of all possibilities--I guess my point is that, at whatever stage one finds oneself, for whatever reason, one useful test of artistic validity is whether or not the experience inspires you to action...again, for whatever reason...maybe it simply makes you feel briefly clearheaded; Paul Klee once described his own state of active grace thus: "...a thousand questions disappear, as if answered." At least for those of us plagued to make things, I find this a more interesting experience than asking "But, is it any good?" Plus an active response has the virtue of being something you just observe in yourself, rather than being something to mull over! dpc From ???@??? Mon Oct 19 00:25:09 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id CAA13984; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 02:08:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 02:08:57 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Sender: mpeters@csi.com Message-ID: <01BDFB35.D4EAAD70.mpeters@csi.com> From: Michael Peters To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: AW: John Schaeffer the excellent Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 07:51:04 +0200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-Mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Q_W992.0.lD3.SMjAs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2252 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Matthew Pierce wrote, > John is a man who deserves more reward than he receives and > humbly continues to keep the torch of new music afire. He has > also been pivotal for me and my close friends and will continue > to be so. All members of this list need to know who this man is. I had an email contact with John a week or two ago (to promote my CD). I told him about this list and about the Looper's Delight CDs. He was interested and wanted to have copies. I suggested to him to maybe dedicate a complete 'new sounds' evening to looping music. We'll see. * michael peters mpeters@csi.com * "escape veloopity" electronic guitar loop music * http://listen.to/michaelpeters From ???@??? Mon Oct 19 00:25:14 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id DAA23130; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 03:13:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 03:13:57 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19981019070147.18260.rocketmail@send1e.yahoomail.com> Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 00:01:47 -0700 (PDT) From: robert kolosowski Subject: re: impro To: loopers -delight MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"W3655.0.dS5.hJkAs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2255 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Music should evoke an emotional response ... failing this, some intellectual interest can suffice, just. After all that's why they invented Algebra. ("music is about fucking ..." - Fripp's album, League of Gentlemen) Who cares how it got there - as long as it sounds good, impro or not. thanks Kim for checking the back of your EDP regards == Robert Kolosowski Kolosoro@Yahoo.com _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From ???@??? Mon Oct 19 00:25:15 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id DAA23364; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 03:17:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 03:17:05 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <2.2.32.19981019070440.006f2ad0@mail.dada.it> X-Sender: cavallo@mail.dada.it (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 09:04:40 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Leonardo Cavallo Subject: Re: Fw: Oberheim Echoplex Resent-Message-ID: <"0IRiU2.0.UK5.OIkAs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2254 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 16.46 18/10/98 -0400, you wrote: >For you euro-loopers searching for an EDP: > >>For sale; >>Oberheim Echoplex, with max, Sample-RAM (196 sec loop-time) >>$ 550,- plus shipping from Germany >>Pieter > > > more info? e-mail? snail mail address? thanx leo From ???@??? Mon Oct 19 00:25:13 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id DAA21486; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 03:00:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 03:00:36 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 08:49:11 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: stkeller@mail.spiderweb.ch (Keller Stefan) Subject: Echoplex for sale.. Resent-Message-ID: <"Tm6cf.0.I-4.i0kAs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2253 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 16:53:03 -0400 >X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to >Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f >From: "Jonathan Brainin" >To: >Subject: Fw: Oberheim Echoplex >Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 16:46:46 -0400 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >X-Priority: 3 >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal >X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2120.0 >Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2229 >X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Precedence: list >Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >Status: > >For you euro-loopers searching for an EDP: > >>For sale; >>Oberheim Echoplex, with max, Sample-RAM (196 sec loop-time) >>$ 550,- plus shipping from Germany >>Pieter > Hi I got this message from Matthias Grob. I am interested on this Echoplex. I'm coming from switzerland and loop since some years. Tell me if this Echoplex is in Germany or in USA. Thanks for mailing Stefan From ???@??? Mon Oct 19 13:30:31 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id KAA02416; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 10:55:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 10:55:55 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <362B093F.54E96880@nyfac.com> Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 10:41:20 +0100 From: "Trevor D. Bajus, purveyor of the new rock" Reply-To: nyfac2@nyfac.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Subject: Re: Monkey Music References: <004501bdfaa5$59f024a0$6cf0ffd0@artmusic.gte> <362A5297.47C7@earthlink.net> <362ABC29.AAAE0A0A@latrobe.edu.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"nVaha3.0.ht7.WwqAs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2260 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Brad Knox wrote: > Andre LaFosse wrote: > > > > future perfect wrote: > > > > > > For me, it is easier to listen to free music if I know the 'noise' being > > > made isn't just a limitation of of the performers involved. In other words, > > > I can enjoy Thrakattak because I respect what the muscians involved are > > > capable of. > > > > See, this is an extremely problematic issue for me. It smacks of what > > I'd call the emperor's new clothes syndrome -- > > > i would agree here up to a point... not long ago i was listening to fripp's > "that which passes" when a (non-musician) friend walked in.. she asked "whats > that, keyboard?" and i said "no, its just one guitar"... she said "wow, > hmmmm... if it was keyboard would you be listening to this?"... Wellllllllll, there are a few ways that you can look at both free playing and the 'if this was a keyboard, would you be listening to it?' questions. I have listened to a lot of both, and have played a lot of both, and I think that both have value for there instructional value alone. Now you know a bunch of other things that you can do on guitar. Now I can make some wacked out sounds, with no effects save a little distortion, my fingers, and a pick. Consider them a theory class. tdb1 Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity. From ???@??? Mon Oct 19 13:30:30 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id KAA02282; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 10:54:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 10:54:46 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <362B09A4.B388DF88@nyfac.com> Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 10:43:00 +0100 From: "Trevor D. Bajus, purveyor of the new rock" Reply-To: nyfac2@nyfac.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: impro References: <19981019070147.18260.rocketmail@send1e.yahoomail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"AtXe32.0.0x7.2yqAs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2261 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com robert kolosowski wrote: > ("music is about fucking ..." - Fripp's album, League of Gentlemen) > > Robert Kolosowski > Kolosoro@Yahoo.com I thought music was for meeting chicks, thereby existing to facillitate fucking :) -- Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity. From ???@??? Mon Oct 19 13:29:51 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id IAA14067; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 08:14:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 08:14:42 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <002d01bdfb57$71b425c0$d66703cf@rjiredff> From: "Jonathan Brainin" To: Subject: Re: Fw: Oberheim Echoplex Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 07:55:36 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2120.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2120.0 Resent-Message-ID: <"fhZiu1.0.mx2.7foAs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2258 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >more info? e-mail? snail mail address? > >thanx >leo OOPS! Sorry 'bout that. Here you go: >FS: Oberheim Echoplex more options > >Author: Pieter >Email: pieter.volger@p-net.de >Date: 1998/10/18 >Forums: rec.music.makers.marketplace >-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >For sale; >Oberheim Echoplex, with max, Sample-RAM (196 sec loop-time) >$ 550,- plus shipping from Germany >Pieter Good luck. From ???@??? Mon Oct 19 13:29:48 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id IAA14330; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 08:17:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 08:17:52 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <43AB23A03F19D111B00300805FFECEA1EFCE38@ns9800> From: Junger Joerg To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: Interested in EPD group pruchase Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 14:01:26 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"2wygJ3.0.xz2.CgoAs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2259 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi list, due to a message that David Talento sent to the digital hell list, I have heard from this effort of doing a group purchase of EPDs. I would like to know whether it would be possible to someone living in Europe to participate. Cheers Joerg -------------------------------------------------- -- Jšrg Junger -- Rentenanstalt/Swiss Life -- Information Systems Research, CH/IFUE -- PO Box -- CH-8022 ZŸrich, Switzerland -- phone: +41-1-711-5667 -- email: Joerg.Junger@swisslife.ch -------------------------------------------------- From ???@??? Mon Oct 19 13:29:36 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id HAA09875; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 07:35:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 07:35:09 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <362B2FE3.284AE378@vete.ucl.ac.be> Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 13:26:16 +0100 From: Malhomme Reply-To: malhomme@vete.ucl.ac.be X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [fr] (Macintosh; I; PPC) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: READING (OLD TOPIC) References: <199810091738.NAA31561@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Unw3.0.pB2.E4oAs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2256 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com L'ile du jour d'avant by umberto Ecco (the island of the day before??? in english?) any Carver/Parker/Kundera/Hewingway book (always has one of them near...) Olivier Malhomme From ???@??? Mon Oct 19 13:29:46 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id IAA12942; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 08:08:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 08:08:20 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <362B3725.502E8411@vete.ucl.ac.be> Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 13:57:14 +0100 From: Malhomme Reply-To: malhomme@vete.ucl.ac.be X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [fr] (Macintosh; I; PPC) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: echo buy @ bargain price? References: <199810160706.DAA07157@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"OJi5K.0.Kk2.9XoAs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2257 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I'm a bit late but I was away 15 days.. I'd like to to be part of these group buy... From ???@??? Mon Oct 19 13:30:32 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id LAA03410; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 11:02:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 11:02:53 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <362B501E.3A60@mdbs.com> Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 09:43:42 -0500 From: "Dennis W. Leas" X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win95; U) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: COBRA References: <01bdfa49$959a0ea0$5c1cbfa8@0QHC6SIA> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"13iYi1.0.N.1-qAs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2262 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I am fascinated by this idea. How do I find more details? Specifically, I'm looking for a list of "rules of play", if that's the correct term. - Dennis Leas -- dennis@mdbs.com Collins wrote: > > here i go again.... > > http://www.greensuperfood.com/~goblin/8zorn.html From ???@??? Mon Oct 19 13:30:34 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id LAA07895; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 11:31:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 11:31:17 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Reply-To: From: "Javier Miranda V." To: Subject: RE: John Schaeffer the excellent Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 08:09:02 -0700 Message-ID: <003401bdfb72$67db22e0$cf1e8ed1@electra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 In-Reply-To: <01BDFB35.D4EAAD70.mpeters@csi.com> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <"SQXu82.0.6B1.oQrAs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2263 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com John Schaeffer, he is. I love that guy. When I lived in New York I listened avidly to his shows in WNYC, for years. I really miss him in the Bay Area, as there's nothing really like him. He's one cool dude. I visited NY this past month and heard one of his shows where he'd been to a music festival in London's City, and he had a tape recorder, walking around everywhere recording everything, whispering who that was doing what. He made it all that more interesting. Miss you, John. | -----Original Message----- | From: mpeters@csi.com [mailto:mpeters@csi.com] | Sent: Sunday 18 October 1998 10:51 PM | To: 'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com' | Subject: AW: John Schaeffer the excellent | | | Matthew Pierce wrote, | | > John is a man who deserves more reward than he receives and | > humbly continues to keep the torch of new music afire. He has | > also been pivotal for me and my close friends and will continue | > to be so. All members of this list need to know who this man is. | | I had an email contact with John a week or two ago (to promote my | CD). I told | him about this list and about the Looper's Delight CDs. He was | interested and | wanted to have copies. I suggested to him to maybe dedicate a | complete 'new | sounds' evening to looping music. We'll see. | | | * michael peters mpeters@csi.com | * "escape veloopity" electronic guitar loop music | * http://listen.to/michaelpeters | | | | | From ???@??? Mon Oct 19 13:30:42 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id MAA20842; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 12:32:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 12:32:40 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 09:04:21 -0700 Message-ID: <0013C9FC.C21407@wj.com> From: Mike.Biffle@wj.com (Mike Biffle) Subject: Finally: Monkeys, Improv, Zen To: , evening Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Resent-Message-ID: <"Rr_qU1.0.S_3.pJsAs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2268 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >There's lots of Zen epithets that could be used to describe it: "Just Sit", >"just don't know" or my personal favorite "shut the f*ck up & listen!!" >Seriously though - being able to just hear sounds as they occur and trusting >the sounds that you choose as a player has changed they way that I relate to >much of the "free" music that I hear & perform. Despite the stream of concepts and formal contructs which can help the execution (no pun intended, but some may like that thought!) of free improv, this zen idea strikes at the heart of free improv's emotional and spiritual validity for me. After 36 years as a player in very many structured cover and original groups, I've become progressively less able to stay *attached* to music which has to be practiced and remembered to be enjoyed (or not) again. It's a great accomplishment and joy to present well thought out and polished performances, but it's getting harder and harder to stay committed to that. (It's true that there's plenty of practice on the technical aspects of ones playing as well as one's rig to support free-improv successfully as well.) I've found with free-improv there's certainly the chance that the music could be dreck, but often enought to give me faith, the music is startling, sublime and surprising... (It's usually during repeated listens to tapes when I realize just how important this playing is to me...) >peace, >john Thanks John, -m From ???@??? Mon Oct 19 13:30:45 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id MAA24577; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 12:45:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 12:45:16 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <362B632B.723BF154@intcpi.com> Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 12:05:03 -0400 From: "John Price" Organization: INTELLISOFT, CPI X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Monkey Music References: <008901bdfaec$99a38be0$6ff2ffd0@artmusic.gte> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"XjZ9b.0.sV3.UAsAs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2266 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hmmmm.... If I may be as bold to respond with an oberservation and a few opinions. Too much analysis and inspection and too little submission to what the music youre listening to actually needs to be "heard" effectively. Ive come to find Influences, patterns or lessons are all meant to be absorbed and forgetten or moreover used as vehicles as opposed to destinations. Plus there are a bizillion ways for anyone to pick from to get from point A to Point B musically speaking of course. Though music and life and its living have many and often interesting parallels and correlations. If you are focused on which way is "better" than another or put emphasis on the processes you and or others employ, you'd spend a lifetime of analysis not ever really hearing much music(s) or allowing any music to come into you as a musician. We all have influences and need to lose them or moreover be able to work with them like a modular piece of hardware without ever letting them become deriviative as opposed to evocative. I dont think we have to have our predilections or "learning" overtake and rule our musical vision or reception of music(s). They become obstacles that way. Also that stuff/junk/process/technique/learning/analysis can be either for clairty or for confusion and easily slip into one aspect or another in a heartbeat where they become indistinguishable. Also, "like and dislike" are mostly meaningless as well as process and/or technique in the overall picture. IMHO its the knowing/awareness of the "when and where" to let go of all of that junk that is crucial to anyone who is involved in music be it the spice girls, prince, miss piggy or wagner. And though clearly its a "process" I'm refering to its still something deeper and more than just what ya'd immediately imagine that process being in and of itself. Rather, it evolves and reveals something beyond itself. I think the draw of any music and the particular salient or underlying "selling" point in improv is you get it all from musician(s) where its gonna be uncensored, per se and raw and a bit of a risk taking endeavor. Its also a rare thing to have music come out of anything, composer, player or orchestra that is 100% "ON" right off the bat. And there are always highs, lows or points where you'd rather go see how the blonde in the front row looks up close. The point where ya break from yourself (s) makes something more than just a collection of notes, words, patterns or thoughts or individuals. I also believe (IMHO again) it is very possible for one person to have a conversational (in any musical medium/format be it improv or compositional based performance) relatioship with music that actually goes somewhere. Though its very difficult and hard to get to a point thats gets the flow rollin on a higher level. some people can and do carry things thru while others are just hit or miss. In responding to this particular posts tone, it sounds like listening clearly gets in the way of hearing while being wrapped up too heavilly in the processes/analyses to see what can actually happen and really does happen when your looking for everything else but music's magic. The post seems says more about a particular individual than it does music any music I'm sure that person has certainly heard either clearly and or creates/created. Just an opinion/observation - Not a flame :) future perfect wrote: > The key words in my post were 'for me'. I know that lots of people can > appreciate music on all levels no matter who performs it. For some reason, I > can't. Also, with 20 years of schooled guitar and music studying, it is hard > for me to not listen to the music, and try to figure out where it came from. > If I know someone's body of work, for me, I seem to appreciate the music > more in context. I am also more liable to sit there and listen to it, and > not write it off as 'noise showcasing the limitations of the performer'. For > that reason, I got into experimental music by way of jazz and rock. There > were musicians I studied, and I bought their recordings- then they went all > 'weird' on me, and I liked it. > > Sometimes I hear something and I don't know if I think it is good. I have to > look outside the music for help in this area. How does this fit in with the > artist's body of work? Is this CD just a contractual obligation for the > artist, consisting of outtakes, etc? Do I have any evidence that the artist > has studied music and their instrument? Does it influence my own studies? Do > I think this way to justify those music comp classes I took, and the endless > hours of lessons? > I can't seem to listen to stuff these days with entirely fresh ears-kinda > like an ad exec that looks at commercials. > Well the good thing is that there is all types out there, and we can > appreciate the way we each view experimental music without thinking it is > 'wrong'. > > Dave Eichenberger > ********************************************************************* > 'Future Perfect' - art music > http://home1.gte.net/artmusic/ > > >> > >> For me, it is easier to listen to free music if I know the 'noise' being > >> made isn't just a limitation of of the performers involved. In other > words, > >> I can enjoy Thrakattak because I respect what the muscians involved are > >> capable of. > > > >See, this is an extremely problematic issue for me. It smacks of what > >I'd call the emperor's new clothes syndrome -- the music in quesiton is > >judged more on the pedigree of the players than on the actual sound > >that's produced. > > > >At this point in time, I've got very little patience for music that > >needs some sort of extra-musical justification in order to have it hold > >up -- be it the intellecual conceptualism behind an experimental project > >that doesn't hold up on its own, or the straight-ahead pedigree that > >gives a jazz player the licence to then play "out" and not be chastized > >by his peers, or the talk of "breakbeat science" and "progression" > >that's used to pass of the profoundly stiff and boring sounds of a lot > >of modern drum & bass. > > > >--Andre > > From ???@??? Mon Oct 19 13:30:54 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id NAA31844; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 13:23:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 13:23:22 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <2148EC143F29D1118BE000805FC13CD06E97BC@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Nels Cline w/ Watt last night @ the knitting factory Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 11:17:40 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Resent-Message-ID: <"JvU_o.0.C97.C9tAs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2271 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com electro harmonix 16-second delay > -----Original Message----- > From: PJBMHB@aol.com [SMTP:PJBMHB@aol.com] > Sent: Saturday, October 17, 1998 05:51 > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Subject: Nels Cline w/ Watt last night @ the knitting factory > > i saw nels cline last night and he was awesome. wowza!! that cat can play > some > wild guitar. great concert. this was my 1st time ever seeing nels and i > was > completely blown away. i know he did a little bit of looping a few times > during the show. anyone know what he was looping on? he had something with > 3 > or 4 footswitches on his amp that he would mess with by hand. i assumed he > had > an eh but couldn't really get a good look. nels is awesome. people should > totally check out mike watt's contemplating the engine room. great disc. > excellent concert. > =-) PJ From ???@??? Mon Oct 19 13:30:49 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id MAA27304; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 12:58:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 12:58:24 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: mchriste@panther.middlebury.edu Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <9de4756a.362a4146@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 12:41:13 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: murkie Subject: Free improvin' Monkey Kids Resent-Message-ID: <"KsPSj1.0.Y06.eosAs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2269 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com ><< Why not let a bunch of kids jump on your instruments? on the rare occasions i get some time to practice, my two year old son Jasper likes to sit quietly and listen to dad play what he calls the "green 'tar" (my green klein). sometimes i'll let him sit in front of my pedalboard and throw switches and play with the controllers to randomly jump from sound to sound. the sight of him sitting on my ernie ball volume pedal and rocking back and forth with a big grin on his face usually reduces me to fits of hysterical laughter. my favorite practical application of chaos. m "Public media should not contain explicit or implied descriptions of sex acts. Our society should be purged of the perverts who provide the media with pornographic material while pretending it has some redeeming social value under the public's 'right to know'." --Kenneth Starr, "Sixty Minutes" (1987) From ???@??? Mon Oct 19 13:30:37 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id MAA16504; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 12:13:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 12:13:23 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <362B7016.677849E9@vete.ucl.ac.be> Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 18:00:08 +0100 From: Malhomme Reply-To: malhomme@vete.ucl.ac.be X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [fr] (Macintosh; I; PPC) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: vg-8 (and more) looping References: <199810190705.DAA22151@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"cDgwd2.0.bC3.y4sAs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2264 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I do inject my guitars (VG-8/tube premps/guitar synth) into a mackie. Then a send output goes in my jamamn and the jamman in a vortex. Then to whole things comes back to to the mixer. The right amount of volume pedal can allow control of the signal path (pathes?). I think it is the more versatile config, to me. Olivier Malhomme From ???@??? Mon Oct 19 13:30:36 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id MAA15882; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 12:10:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 12:10:26 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <362B7113.489E85B9@vete.ucl.ac.be> Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 18:04:21 +0100 From: Malhomme Reply-To: malhomme@vete.ucl.ac.be X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [fr] (Macintosh; I; PPC) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: bulk buy... References: <199810190705.DAA22151@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"v5euo2.0.lP3.s8sAs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2265 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Just a reminder... Will the echoplex work perfectly @ 220 V we have in belgium? Is it a back switch that changes voltage feeding or is it automatic? This was adressed a long time ago, I know, and I forgot... Olivier Malhomme From ???@??? Mon Oct 19 13:30:39 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id MAA19414; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 12:26:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 12:26:46 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199810191609.MAA32748@ulster.net> Subject: EDP Bulk Buy: Alto Fax Number Date: Mon, 19 Oct 98 12:08:01 -0500 x-sender: evening@pop.ulster.net x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: evening To: , , , Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <"N6TJ2.0.-t3.jHsAs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2267 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Here's the Fax number for Alto Music for those whom making a phone call is inconvenient. (914) 692-5551 Thanks to Mr Flint fo rclearing up the power supply question. peace, John From ???@??? Mon Oct 19 13:30:59 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id NAA05171; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 13:57:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 13:57:21 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Jim_M_Shepherd@tivoli.com X-Lotus-FromDomain: TIVOLI SYSTEMS To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-ID: <862566A2.0060C827.00@MTA-Austin2.tivoli.com> Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 12:29:21 -0500 Subject: Re: JFK's Lsd UFO Live.. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"wTFNd.0.vk._gtAs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2273 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi Andre, My thoughts and good wishes are with you as you perform tonight. Wish I could see it. I'm the only looper I know in Central Indiana. Regards, Jim From ???@??? Mon Oct 19 16:11:04 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id SAA21757; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 18:35:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 18:35:52 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <362B7729.7538B1D@nyfac.com> Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 18:30:17 +0100 From: "Trevor D. Bajus, purveyor of the new rock" Reply-To: nyfac2@nyfac.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: If Million Monkeys All Bought Echoplexes Together... References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"SMjyu1.0.Ws4.7oxAs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2292 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com ...they would loop the entire catalog of Bobby Fripp. Now that you metion it, most of the time that I play free is when I am using my looper. I think a lack of structure sounds best when is works with and/or against a solid and tasty loop. Live free or die! tdb1 -- Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity. From ???@??? Mon Oct 19 13:30:58 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id NAA04808; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 13:55:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 13:55:30 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.19981019133905.00771d60@dharma.mitre.org> X-Sender: seligman@dharma.mitre.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 13:39:05 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Len Seligman Subject: EDP Brother Sync question Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"9h_8j3.0.6Z._ctAs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2272 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Are you using Brother Sync to synchronize two Echoplexes, each with its own footswitch controller? If you're using it, what settings are you using for parameters like Quantize and SwitchQuantize? My music partner and I are just beginning to use this and finding that it's not so easy to get everything to work out. In particular, we want a tight sync between the two units but we also want instantaneous response to our switch presses. Any words of wisdom? Thanks, Len From ???@??? Mon Oct 19 13:30:50 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id NAA28782; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 13:07:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 13:07:34 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199810191643.JAA10100@scv3.apple.com> Subject: FS: RDS 8000, $165 (Harmony Central) Date: Mon, 19 Oct 98 11:43:31 -0600 x-sender: hartne.t@mail.apple.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: Travis Hartnett To: "Looper's Delight" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <"W2E9U1.0.dc6.XzsAs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2270 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Despite the recent EDP feeding frenzy, there may still be someone interested in this charming dinosaur. Please respond to the e-mail in the ad, not to me. **************************************** Digitech RDS 8000 - 8 Second delay Asking Price: US$165 Condition: Excellent Age: N/A Description: RDS 8000 time machine - rackmount digital delay with manual flanging, chorusing, slapback echo, infinite repeat, trigger, and sampling. This unit does sound on sound layering up to 8 seconds. real time manipulation of delay parameters (knobs) - you can get some whacked sounds out of this. $165 + shipping $5 extra for COD Trades possible - interested in Digitech PDS 8000 (pedal version of same effect) SansAmp Bass Driver DI Monophonic analog synths (the wackier the better) Seller: Bill Childs, E-mail: bchilds@bellsouth.net Post Date: 10/19/98 From ???@??? Mon Oct 19 13:31:00 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id OAA10355; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 14:26:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 14:26:15 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <362B80ED.5556@mdbs.com> Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 13:11:57 -0500 From: "Dennis W. Leas" X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win95; U) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Central IN looping; was JFK's Lsd UFO Live.. References: <862566A2.0060C827.00@MTA-Austin2.tivoli.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"CnEiE1.0.In1.G1uAs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2274 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Jim_M_Shepherd@tivoli.com wrote: > > Wish I could see it. I'm the only looper I know in Central Indiana. Hey there, Jim! I'm a looper in Central Indiana, also! I live in Lafayette and am a percussionist. I have a buddy here who also loops. I use a couple of EDPs and my friend uses a jamdude. Where are you? - Dennis Leas -- dennis@mdbs.com From ???@??? Mon Oct 19 13:31:01 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id OAA13936; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 14:47:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 14:47:06 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <362B8686.7DFF1533@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 11:36:05 -0700 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: On the off chance . . . References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"1DMQQ2.0.Cg2.RKuAs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2275 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Aden Evens wrote: > The Stockhausen I was referring to is fully titled, "Konkrete und > Electronische Musik". It's the one with 'Gesange der Junglinge' on it. It > was originally on the Stockhausen label. Actually, I am just looking for a > recording of that piece, so if you know of somewhere else . . . > > > > >About Stockhausen, was that supposed to be Kontakte? For i do have that > >also. > >Jeff Collins not to add to the confusion, but my version of gesang der junglinge is from a deutche grammophon (who i think is now owned by polygram) vinyl with "kontakte" on the flip side. you might check their archives? lance g. From ???@??? Mon Oct 19 13:31:02 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id OAA15652; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 14:55:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 14:55:55 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Reply-To: From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: Subject: RE: Free improvin' Monkey Kids Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 11:42:27 -0700 Message-ID: <000001bdfb90$39edf380$ae23dacf@stepheng> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Resent-Message-ID: <"UiPiT.0.SH3.yXuAs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2276 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > ><< Why not let a bunch of kids jump on your instruments? An old playing partner of mine who moved to Reno, got married, and had kids, in that order (but didn't diminish his practicing allotment somehow), started his sons off right by the time they were 1 - a miniature drum kit, and, when the second one came along, a fisher-price keyboard. The second son, when first put on the drums, went wild in a frenzy of sticks and impacts, before kicking the bass drum off its stand, causing the kit to collapse. We both wondered if Keith Moon was somehow involved. :) Stephen GoodmanÊ -Ê It's... The Loop Of The Week (Frankie Yankovic)! EarthLight StudiosÊ -Ê http://www.earthlight.net/Studios From ???@??? Mon Oct 19 13:31:03 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id PAA16484; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 15:00:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 15:00:59 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Reply-To: From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: Subject: RE: Monkey Music Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 11:44:25 -0700 Message-ID: <000101bdfb90$7fdb9000$ae23dacf@stepheng> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 In-Reply-To: <362B632B.723BF154@intcpi.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Resent-Message-ID: <"U3AM_.0.wL3.kZuAs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2277 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I'm reminded of one of my favorite lines from a film, from John Lithgow in "Buckaroo Banzai": "Laugh while you can, monkey boy!" Thought it might bring a chuckle. [scratching armpit] Stephen GoodmanÊ -Ê It's... The Loop Of The Week! EarthLight StudiosÊ -Ê http://www.earthlight.net/Studios From ???@??? Mon Oct 19 13:31:04 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id PAA17735; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 15:07:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 15:07:24 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <2148EC143F29D1118BE000805FC13CD06E97C5@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Free improv Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 13:53:53 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Resent-Message-ID: <"IyWqu.0.tr3.FjuAs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2278 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > I agree with your last sentence. Just as there is good rock and bad > rock, > good jazz and bad jazz, etc. there is also good free improv and bad free > improv. > > I think that this is well put. After all, how many times have we heard great three-chord rock songs and bad three-chord rock songs. There does have to be some "talent" (or whatever - - creative intelligence?) behind the stuff. Someone else made the point that you need to have the ears for the stuff too - - - for instance, I don't have the ears for Celine Dion, which doesn't mean that she's bad, just that I don't care for the music she sings. I saw Branca way back in the early '80s at Schoenberg Hall at UCLA . . . I went with high expectations, I didn't care for it at all. I don't get him, yet I get plenty of others from the same basic downtown NYC scene (simplifying here . . . ). > Good free improv has a conversation going on between two or more musicians > (which is why, I think, it is a tough assignment to do good free improv > solo because you're basically talking to yourself). If you think about > it, conversations in real life are never pre-planned. > Sometimes people are interesting conversationalists, sometimes they're not. Sometimes they have "better" conversations with some people than with others - - - CHEMISTRY. Sometimes one doesn't like what or how someone says something, or finds them boring. So it goes with ANY performer - - - IMHO. Part of the "commitment" that I suppose one makes when dealing with this sort of thing is that one goes with an open mind . . . sometimes you're going to see dreck, sometimes mediocrity, sometimes brilliance. Sometimes I wait through an entire evening of dreck in hopes of one instance of brilliance, or something that will inspire me or make me think (not to say something that I like). Often I am rewarded . . . > I guess its no coincidence that when I hear free improv I don't like, it > sounds like at least one person is not listening to the other(s). > > Yet . . . sometimes, as in a conversation, you may hear the one person who is listening making many cogent points. Oh yeah Gareth . . . most people probably don't want to hear it. But then again many, many people went to see Titanic and got the video, etc; and I never will - - - I'll be waiting for the video release of Peter Greenaway's "The Pillow Book" - - - different strokes for different folks. stig From ???@??? Mon Oct 19 13:31:15 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id PAA19699; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 15:16:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 15:16:53 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19981019185824.15254.rocketmail@attach1.rocketmail.com> Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 11:58:24 -0700 (PDT) From: "Rev. Doubt-Goat" Subject: Re: Monkey Music To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"CZNoV1.0.wC4.OruAs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2279 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com 93 ---future perfect wrote: > > For me, it is easier to listen to free music if I know the 'noise' being > made isn't just a limitation of of the performers involved. Indeed! I often feel the same way. There IS a difference between a *musician* and a *wanker*! ;-) Of course, I've also seen my share of highly trained wankers and untrained musicians, so... > To me, 'free improv' is more than making 'monkey music'. When skilled > musicians get together and play freely, it certainly may be easy to create > 'noise', but for me the trick is to balance that with what I know and like > about harmony, melody and rhythm. Hopefully the end result (musical noise?) > will be based more on creativity and skill than 'look how avant and deep I > can be-dig?'. How I tend to approach a free-improv gig is to layer in some classical piece (Gymnopaedie #1 by Satie, or the Allamande from the 1st Lute Suite in Em by Bach, etc) as a means of providing the audience some sort of familiar base from which to proceed. This also serves the purpose of establishing my musical credentials, so to speak. My latest ventures are to stretch out rhythm changes from 32 bars to about 256 bars, with guitar, stick, loops and percussion. Fun. 93 Rev. Doubt-Goat === The Homepages of the Doubt-Goat The Darsan Trio Sekhet Maat Oasis, O.T.O. Lion & Serpent http://www.easystreet.com/~twilliam _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From ???@??? Mon Oct 19 13:31:19 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id PAA21332; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 15:24:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 15:24:46 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 12:06:11 -0700 Message-ID: <0013CD9D.C21407@wj.com> From: Mike.Biffle@wj.com (Mike Biffle) Subject: Re: P2 Quandaries! (was: Fripp Nerves) To: , "Stephen P. Goodman" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Resent-Message-ID: <"ffTe92.0.Na4.NyuAs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2280 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >> Are there any of you out there who actually prefer looser "open" jamming and >> minimal imposed structure? >Well, I don't know that it's a matter of preference past how one feels at a >given moment or series of moments, actually. Given... Depending on mood I swing between wanting to play structured pieces and open form pieces. Lately my mood has been very zen and open... wanting the dialog to develop in real time. My responses may be contrived or certainly informed by my technique and preference as well, but at least the idea has sprung from impulse rather than pre-meditation. An ongoing quandry for me is how to incorporate more structure without "canning" the experience. >I think most of the ways in which we address allegedly non-structured content >may have a lot more to do with our expectations of that content, than the >content itself. I'm certain that on any given night there will be expectations. As to how the music fares in relation to them is anyone's guess. It's sad when you've been waiting to record with someone for a year and the anticipation creates too much expectation. It's great when you just walk in and surprise each other though. (especially when it's verified upon playback!) >* Those who expected something from the music that didn't happen (flaming >Frippian solos, KC material from the 70's, ad nauseam) were very, very >disappointed,... It was actually quite funny to hear prog dinosaurs griping about how shitty the show was and how dissappointed they were with Fripp! I guess I should have expected it... >* Those who went Without Expectations, and withheld judgement until they'd >heard entire works, were far, far less disappointed,... Oh yeah... >but in general tended to discuss the material a lot less than the angry ones >did. Not sure about this but I definitely heard a lot of griping! My friends (who also quite enjoyed the show) and I talked a lot about it... >And, I didn't feel ripped off in any way. I laughed at the execution of >THRAK in that manner, in a good way... It was GREAT to see Fripp and co. really laughing and enjoying the show. I particularly enjoyed seeing Robert jump up and encourage audience response to Belew's drum solo with much arm waving and gesturing... Quite funny and charming. >So, does improvisational work - either participating or listening to it - >say more about us, or about our feelings about it? Not sure... This reminds me of a previous poster recalling someone asking if a Fripp piece was played by a keyboardist, would you still listen to it? It's a very interesting question... My knowledge that someone is "walking the wire" and improvising certainly affects my response to the music. It's more performance related than media related. On fixed media you lose the context of the improv and it's often impossible to relate all the elements which supported the improv and it's direction. Improv performance is more about the wiles of the performer and their responses and references etc. It's like surfing or skiing for me... a real time reaction to multiple stimuli... call and response... wit... rejoinder... parry... flow... gravity... vision... The phrase "You had to be there." could certainly apply. That said, it's "still just sound" as Andre LaFosse says and ultimately has to sit alongside work that may be far more mature and complete compositionally and in terms of production values. If an improv still elicits a strong response in that environment I give it double extra credit! 8-> Thanks Stephen... best, -Miko From ???@??? Mon Oct 19 13:31:21 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id PAA25064; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 15:47:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 15:47:54 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <2148EC143F29D1118BE000805FC13CD06E97C8@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Monkey Music Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 14:32:36 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Resent-Message-ID: <"SpJgQ3.0.lb5.gHvAs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2281 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > How I tend to approach a free-improv gig is to layer > in some classical piece (Gymnopaedie #1 by Satie, or > the Allamande from the 1st Lute Suite in Em by Bach, > etc) as a means of providing the audience some sort > of familiar base from which to proceed. This also > serves the purpose of establishing my musical > credentials, so to speak. > > My latest ventures are to stretch out rhythm changes > from 32 bars to about 256 bars, with guitar, stick, > loops and percussion. Fun. > > 93 > > Yeah . . . I've done the same with Bach 'Cello Suites in and out of free stuff, maybe into some Charlie Parker stuff. Lots of opportunity for interpolation between Bach's/Parker's melodic fragments, stretching their "changes," etc. In general I find that I sometimes appreciate (both from listener and performer vantage points) places of coalescence in improvs. A little place of repose or a recurring theme. I think that it is also important to think in terms of juxtaposition of moods, or areas of tonality versus non-tonality . . . Some of us on the LA scene seem to do this. I think that this thread is very interesting, many good ideas to chew on here! stig From ???@??? Mon Oct 19 13:31:22 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id QAA29292; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 16:10:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 16:10:03 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <01BDFBA2.801893D0.andrew@bocs.com> From: Andrew Taylor Reply-To: "andrew@bocs.com" To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: VG-8 or 2112 Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 20:53:12 +0100 Organization: bocs X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"WYvpS2.0.VV6.fbvAs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2282 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com dennis, I haven't got a VG8 but do have a Roland GR1 guitar synth. I think the key to flexibility is to utilise a good mixer, one with as many effect send as possible. With two outputs to process ( guitar + synth ) you use two input channels ( or 3 if the vg8 has stereo outs ) Now the signals are in the mixer , where they can be routed via the fx sends to various effects units. If you return the fx to other mixer inputs then these signals can be sent around again and out to another effect on another send ( or heard on the channel return ) Hence the usefulness of a mixer with many sends. NB: you really have to spend time on this, as feedback loops lurk everywhere ! It's probably the biggest 'my brain hurts' inducer involved with this setup, but the results can be very interesting. Unortunately you'll find most mixers come with only two fx sends, usually a pre and a post. Pre is better, as you don't have to hear the input ( dry guitar, or dry synth ) on that channel before you send it out again. A post signal has to have the channel fader up before it goes post, so you can't hide that channels output. In order to hear the results of all this processing, the final output goes stereo out to a power amp and speakers ( or the inputs of a DAT etc ). Big setup ! A very good source of ideas on using a mixer and effects is the David Torn video ( number 2 ). Studying this and thinking how I could adapt my equipment to dt's ideas has given me many hours of experimentation to puzzle over. Many people on this list use mackie 1604 mixers. I've been using a tascam 688, which has the ability to send to 4 effects, and a handy little digital display ( 'scenes' ) to map the signal routing - but the 688 isn't really a gigging option, as it's huge.. Another useful aid is some kind of speaker emulator/load device which can take the output of your guitar amp straight to the mixer. This means you won't hear anything until long after you've processed it. Getting really gear frenzied now, a simple A/B box after your guitar signal where A goes to the 'silent' guitar amp and B goes to a 'heard' guitar amp means you can build a loop, switch to B and play over whatevers coming out of the mixer. I'm off now to get a life. hope this helps At -----Original Message----- From: ur eye [SMTP:ureye@hotmail.com] Sent: 19 October 1998 02:45 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: VG-8 or 2112 Ok, this may seem like comparing oranges & apples but.... I'm trying to choose between these. Does anyone have any comments regarding just the parts you can compare? Like the basic guitar timbre processing of the VG-8(or the synthesis there of?) I would especially like to hear from you folks who loop with a VG-8. Stuff like how you configure your loop setup w/ the unit. As a blossiming Guitar player/looper, I am ready to move up from my lowly SE-50 to a "real" guitar processor. I use a GR-50 also and get into adding a little something special to that core analog sound from my STRAT. That core sound is what impressed me about the Digitech 2112. On the other hand I like synthesized sound too so here lies my problem. Are the various pickup config patches on the VG reasonably comparable to the 'ol analog ways? Thanks, -Dennis ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From ???@??? Mon Oct 19 15:02:25 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id QAA02398; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 16:46:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 16:46:39 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19981019203126.26507.rocketmail@web4.rocketmail.com> Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 13:31:26 -0700 (PDT) From: "Rev. Doubt-Goat" Subject: Re: P2 Quandaries! (was: Fripp Nerves) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"L_MYY1.0.bA.jAwAs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2283 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com 93 ---Mike Biffle wrote: > Not sure... This reminds me of a previous poster recalling someone asking if a > Fripp piece was played by a keyboardist, would you still listen to it? It's a > very interesting question... Music = sounds within context. If a tree fall in the forest, and there is no one to hear it fall, does it make a sound? My $.02 93 Rev. D.G. === The Homepages of the Doubt-Goat The Darsan Trio Sekhet Maat Oasis, O.T.O. Lion & Serpent http://www.easystreet.com/~twilliam _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From ???@??? Sun Oct 18 15:21:34 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id QAA10634; Sun, 18 Oct 1998 16:49:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 16:49:06 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199810182033.QAA28034@shell.monmouth.com> Reply-To: From: "andre" To: Subject: Re: Monkey Music Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 16:33:53 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"tWwT32.0.4G2.24bAs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2226 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > made isn't just a limitation of of the performers involved. In other words, > I can enjoy Thrakattak because I respect what the muscians involved are > capable of. I guess some muscians have the option to make 'noise'- for some > that is all they can do. yeah!! to me thrak attak is really great.. since it's wrapped in the structure of the tune itself... and the sextet improv is an example of the great ESP those guys can call up.... everyone listens, they move from complete chaos to highlighting each individual, more or less, or moving from emphasis on rhythm to emph. on strange timbres... to ... whatever. great CD, fripp is great, crimson i could not live without. andre' From ???@??? Sun Oct 18 15:21:35 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id QAA11179; Sun, 18 Oct 1998 16:52:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 16:52:49 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199810182040.QAA29337@shell.monmouth.com> Reply-To: From: "andre" To: Subject: LOTW suggestion Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 16:40:36 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Hk3bA3.0.MP2.LAbAs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2227 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > say they are good or bad. maybe im just upset with the passing of frankie > yankovitch, king of the polka, and am awaiting mr. goodmans loop of the week > dedicated to him.........enuf...........michael ...and i would humbly submit, howza bout a loop o'the week for: roddy mcdowall - actor, esp know for planet of the apes series cleveland amory - animal rights activist, esp known for protecting the apes of this planet andre' From ???@??? Sun Oct 18 15:21:36 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id QAA11197; Sun, 18 Oct 1998 16:52:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 16:52:56 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199810182043.QAA29988@shell.monmouth.com> Reply-To: From: "andre" To: Subject: Re: Free improv Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 16:43:53 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"keoMs1.0.OU2.RDbAs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2228 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > << Why not let a bunch of kids jump on your instruments? > They have fewer preconceptions than us adults.>> > > Actually, I have seen cd's of just this - kids being handed instruments or > given the most rudimentary instruction and then let loose, this being the and let us not forget the great OLD SKULL - a punk/rock band of pre pubes from about 8-10 years ago!! fun stuff andre' From ???@??? Mon Oct 19 15:02:27 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id RAA05771; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 17:04:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 17:04:10 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: Subject: JamMan memory etc. Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 13:51:57 -0700 Message-ID: <000d01bdfba2$4fc7a680$26ee8fd1@jelbizri.linkexchange.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <9de4756a.362a4146@aol.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"ZUE9n1.0.-n.tOwAs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2284 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi, I just bought a Vortex and a Jamman for $300 over the net. This seemed like an almost shadily good deal indeed (is it?) since I had recently seen them going for more than that individually, but after fingering the seller's email and talking to him on the phone, I decided that it was as safe as any used gear deal I had done over the net and went ahead with it. So now I am waiting for UPS to show up with my potential bundle of COD rage/joy (depending in whether everything works out or not), so that I can join in the looping madness. However, the JamMan has only 8 seconds of memory. I understand that the type of memory it uses can be difficult/expensive to obtain. Can anyone recommend a source? Are they even still available anywhere? Thanks, Jonathan El-Bizri From ???@??? Mon Oct 19 15:02:29 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id RAA06778; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 17:09:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 17:09:49 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <362BA7C9.4A2D3BA3@dial.pipex.com> Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 21:57:45 +0100 From: Gareth Whittock X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: edp in Europe References: <199810191913.PAA18864@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"rf-QQ2.0.j61.HWwAs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2285 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi Joerg, I've just been talking to A guy called Daryl at Alto Music in NY. He says they'll ship anywhere and they'll take any form of payment. I like the guy's attitude! They said they'll even ship to Wales (even though they've probably never heard of it). > due to a message that David Talento sent to the digital hell list, I have > heard from this effort of doing a group purchase of EPDs. I would like to > know whether it would be possible to someone living in Europe to > participate. > > Cheers From ???@??? Mon Oct 19 15:02:34 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id RAA09851; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 17:25:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 17:25:05 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 14:03:12 -0700 Message-ID: <0013CF95.C21407@wj.com> From: Mike.Biffle@wj.com (Mike Biffle) Subject: Re[2]: P2 Quandaries! (was: Fripp Nerves) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, "Rev. Doubt-Goat" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Resent-Message-ID: <"hYZGE3.0.Yl1.ciwAs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2288 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com ---Mike Biffle wrote: >> Not sure... This reminds me of a previous poster recalling someone asking if >> a Fripp piece was played by a keyboardist, would you still listen to it? It's >> a very interesting question... > Music = sounds within context. If a tree fall in the forest, and there is no > one to hear it fall, does it make a sound? > Rev. D.G. Which is why free improv is a "you had to be there" proposition *most of the time*. When it's supernaturally sublime and on tape it's a gift to the world. (At least those who care.) Sometimes I'm quite relieved that certain music impaired individuals weren't present to hear my "tree fall" only to decide that I'm indeed quite crazy, deranged and possibly dangerous! Especially my co-workers! 8-> best, -Miko ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Miko Biffle "And I am running scared... mike.biffle@wj.com "from all the usual distractions!" From ???@??? Sun Oct 18 15:21:39 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id RAA15250; Sun, 18 Oct 1998 17:27:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 17:27:45 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199810182105.RAA05059@shell.monmouth.com> Reply-To: From: "andre" To: Subject: Steve Reich the excellent Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 17:05:21 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"aOzq01.0.wB3.2YbAs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2231 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com sat night oct 17, BAM - brooklyn ny Steve Reich and Musicians pieces performed: Music for 18 Musicians Hindenburg excellent show!!! but then i'm a diehard, old SR fan... first was the masterful MF18M - a hypnotic, slowly chnging wash of vocals, pianos, tuned percussion, violin, cello.. just hear it!!! and the piece de resistance was the nyc premiere of Hindenburg - another video piece SR has done with his wife and partner Beryl Korot... she of the cutting edge computer video techniques.. previously they have done the CAVE..whic i highly recoomend - it's a piece tracing the common hiostory of jews and arabs, through samples of interviews and sung liturgical texts... great stuff anyway - the new piece last night featured footage of the infamous zeppelin as it crashed and burned here in nj - (no, not the band!! the airship!!) - as well as 1930s footage of the general hindenburg and german troops.... tragically, this was the guy that appointed hitler chancellor.. if only he knew.... so - music was juxtaposed with these cut -up - computer edited vid-images, instrumentation was two longtime Reich percussionists, one snare drum...beating out a military-style ostinato - they also had octapads, triggering, i guess some of the numerous news soundbites and spoken parts.... also a conductor, four vocalists, and (i believe) four violinists - including our fellow looper Todd Reynolds.. who i was happy to have been able to say a quick hello to... as he said in recent post - they will be recording this mon and tues - so wish 'em well and look for it. Reich is certainly of interest to loopers, he does something very similar, building layers and patterns with repetition, with slight, slowly introduced variations..his work is also about the most polyrhymic you'll hear in this area.. he studied african drumming and music for many years (still does, i guess), and in recent years has added in samplers to his arsenal, exploring sounds of the NYC street, or snippets of interviews from people who were involved in whatever topic he is highlighting. the Hindenburg piece is part of a 3 part series - i think it's to to be performed in it's entirety in 2001... also coming up next year or so is "Bikini" which looks at the bikini atoll nuke tests (when will we learn..) and "Dolly" re: the cloned lamb of the same name.... the basic overall is a look at technology/progress in this century... esp. after 1940 or so, and it's place in our world, pro/con. But perhaps the HIGHLIGHT of my evening was to accidentally meet a hero of mine - the fantastic radio host John Schaeffer (sp)!!!!! As i sat during the intermission - i couldn't help but over hear a couple having a convers. with him... i kept thinking..."that voice..it can't be.." so i went over and asked - and sure enuf!!! for those of you not in the NYC area... John has hosted a show called "NEW SOUNDS" on Wnyc for many years.. i shocked him when i told him i'd been listening since 1983 - this guy is SO pivotal in my life - he basically intro'd me to the music of Laurie A. , Reich, Glass, Alvin Lucier, Terry Riley, Hedges, Gamelan, tons of African, Indian, Tibetan music, etc.... incredible. I probably first heard LOOPING on this show!!! So - a great moment for me - meeting the guy who blasted the door open wide for me - into the universe i now live in... peace, andre' From ???@??? Mon Oct 19 15:02:31 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id RAA09688; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 17:24:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 17:24:28 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 17:07:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199810192107.RAA19448@user1.channel1.com> X-Sender: seahorse@user1.channel1.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Frank Gerace Subject: Re:VG8-or 2112 Resent-Message-ID: <"dFFnv.0.2f1.7gwAs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2287 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Basically I agree with all that follows on the mixer. To all this I would only add that Mackie 1202s are very big on this list provide a great deal of flexibilty in processing (two effects sends that can be used as mono sends and have four effects, 2 on each send). Their manuals are easy to understand and in conjuction with the Torn video and some time, you'll be able to do all sorts of fun stuff. I have a VG and use it with a 1202 and have a JamMan and Boss RSP-10 tied into Aux send 1 and the Echoplex in Aux 2. The VG8 can also do looping, although you don't have a lot of time available. You can set the amount of regenration to be controlled by the expression pedal so you can loop and play over the loop without recording by rocking back and forth on the pedal (Thanks to David Coffin for that trick). The pickup sounds are quite good, very reasonable approximations. With a little patience and tweaking, you can get them to sound even better. There's a VG website (www.vg-8.com) to which a lot of folks submit their patches for easy download and a discussion list akinb to this one, although not quite as busy. I find the guitar and amp sounds work really well and I love the HRM aspects of it as well. I just released a CD and recorded 85% of the trcks using the VG8 directly. To my ears, they sound as good as the old fashioned tracks with a strat, SansAmp etc. into an AC30. I still play with my amp from time to time, but live I run through the PA. My back works much better as a result. This is a great device with a lot of levels to it. I've never tried the 2112 so I have no way to make a comparison. Frank Gerace Dreamchild http://www.channel1.com/users/seahorse At 08:53 PM 10/19/98 +0100, you wrote: >dennis, > >I haven't got a VG8 but do have a Roland GR1 guitar synth. I think the key >to flexibility is to utilise a good mixer, one with as many >effect send as possible. >With two outputs to process ( guitar + synth ) you use two input channels ( >or 3 if the vg8 has stereo outs ) >Now the signals are in the mixer , where they can be routed via the fx >sends to various effects units. If you return the fx to other >mixer inputs then these signals can be sent around again and out to another >effect on another send ( or heard on the channel return ) > Hence the usefulness of a mixer with many sends. NB: you really have to >spend time on this, as feedback loops lurk everywhere ! It's probably the >biggest 'my brain hurts' inducer involved with this setup, but the results >can be very interesting. >Unortunately you'll find most mixers come with only two fx sends, usually >a pre and a post. Pre is better, as >you don't have to hear the input ( dry guitar, or dry synth ) on that >channel before you send it out again. A post signal has to have the >channel fader up before it goes post, so you can't hide that channels >output. In order to hear the results of all this processing, the final >output goes stereo out to a power amp and speakers ( or the inputs of a DAT >etc ). Big setup ! >A very good source of ideas on using a mixer and effects is the David Torn >video ( number 2 ). Studying this and thinking how I >could adapt my equipment to dt's ideas has given me many hours of >experimentation to puzzle over. >Many people on this list use mackie 1604 mixers. I've been using a tascam >688, which has the ability to send to 4 effects, and a handy >little digital display ( 'scenes' ) to map the signal routing - but the 688 >isn't really a gigging option, as it's huge.. >Another useful aid is some kind of speaker emulator/load device which can >take the output of your guitar amp straight to the mixer. >This means you won't hear anything until long after you've processed it. >Getting really gear frenzied now, a simple A/B box after your guitar signal >where A goes to the 'silent' guitar amp and B goes to a 'heard' guitar amp >means you can build a loop, switch to B and play over whatevers coming out >of the mixer. > >I'm off now to get a life. > >hope this helps >At > >-----Original Message----- >From: ur eye [SMTP:ureye@hotmail.com] >Sent: 19 October 1998 02:45 >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Subject: VG-8 or 2112 > >Ok, this may seem like comparing oranges & apples but.... I'm trying to >choose between these. Does anyone have any comments regarding just the >parts you can compare? Like the basic guitar timbre processing of the >VG-8(or the synthesis there of?) I would especially like to hear from >you folks who loop with a VG-8. Stuff like how you configure your loop >setup w/ the unit. As a blossiming Guitar player/looper, I am ready to >move up from my lowly SE-50 to a "real" guitar processor. I use a GR-50 >also and get into adding a little something special to that core analog >sound from my STRAT. That core sound is what impressed me about the >Digitech 2112. On the other hand I like synthesized sound too so here >lies my problem. Are the various pickup config patches on the VG >reasonably comparable to the 'ol analog ways? >Thanks, -Dennis > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > > From ???@??? Mon Oct 19 15:02:32 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id RAA08988; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 17:21:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 17:21:19 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.32.19981019140754.006baca8@popper.simi-valley.tt.slb.com > X-Sender: cavaleri@popper.simi-valley.tt.slb.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 14:07:55 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Joe Cavaleri Subject: Re: JamMan memory etc. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"hvBQw.0.kN1.cawAs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2286 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Try Visionsoft. http://www.visionsoft.com/ Chips are about $10.00 ea 1M x 4bit ZIP IC's (DRAM) faster than 100ns Manufactuer Motorola MCM54400AZ Hitachi HM514400AZP NEC D424400V Misubishi M5M44400L Micron MT4C4001JZ Fujitsu MB814400 At 01:51 PM 10/19/98 -0700, you wrote: >Hi, > However, the JamMan has only 8 seconds of memory. I understand that the >type of memory it uses can be difficult/expensive to obtain. Can anyone >recommend a source? Are they even still available anywhere? > >Thanks, > >Jonathan El-Bizri > > > From ???@??? Mon Oct 19 16:11:00 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id SAA18345; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 18:17:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 18:17:26 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 14:24:05 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: A Million Monkeys Resent-Message-ID: <"52_rp3.0.Cy3.ATxAs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2291 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com So here's a question to ponder: If a million monkeys post to Looper's Delight, how long before one of them happens to post on topic? :-) Perheps some of you monkeys would be so kind as to explain how loops and looping fits into your monkey music? kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Mon Oct 19 16:10:57 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id SAA16161; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 18:03:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 18:03:58 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 14:48:55 -0700 Message-ID: <0013D02F.C21407@wj.com> From: Mike.Biffle@wj.com (Mike Biffle) Subject: Re[2]: VG8-or 2112 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, Frank Gerace Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Resent-Message-ID: <"GGgm4.0.HX3.5IxAs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2289 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Frank Gerace wrote... > I would only add that Mackie 1202s are very big on this list provide a great > deal of flexibilty in processing (two effects sends that can be used as mono > sends and have four effects, 2 on each send). Don't forget the Alt 3/4 buss! This actually offers up either two more mono sends or one stereo. If you use y cables double that! My Vortex is on Alt 3/4 and at the push of a button *anything* can go off to the Vortex. I'm hoping to get another Vortex and send mono left to one and mono right to the other on the 3/4 buss. I have the JamMan on Aux 2 and my Waldorf 4-pole filter on Aux 1 which will allow a pre fader send... What a lovely mess! 8-> -best _miko From ???@??? Mon Oct 19 16:11:14 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id SAA24031; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 18:50:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 18:50:33 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <362BBEA3.E5D0E35C@bellsouth.net> Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 18:35:15 -0400 From: Jeff Duke X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.07 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: A Million Monkeys References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"r2jL63.0.SG5.uvxAs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2293 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Yeah does Branca loop? I almost, sorta, thought that I heard some repeating pattens. Jeff Kim Flint wrote: > So here's a question to ponder: > > If a million monkeys post to Looper's Delight, how long before one of them > happens to post on topic? :-) Perheps some of you monkeys would be so kind > as to explain how loops and looping fits into your monkey music? > > kim > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html > http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Mon Oct 19 16:11:02 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: from oz.wj.com (oz.wj.com [204.30.16.4]) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) with ESMTP id SAA23453; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 18:46:38 -0400 Received: from ccsmtp.wj.com (ccsmtp.wj.com [144.172.15.213]) by oz.wj.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA24090; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 15:44:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ccMail by ccsmtp.wj.com (IMA Internet Exchange 3.11) id 0013D0FB; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 15:46:22 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 15:39:48 -0700 Message-ID: <0013D0FB.C21407@wj.com> From: Mike.Biffle@wj.com (Mike Biffle) Subject: Re: A Million Monkeys To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, Kim Flint Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part > So here's a question to ponder: > If a million monkeys post to Looper's Delight, how long before one of them > happens to post on topic? :-) Perheps some of you monkeys would be so kind > as to explain how loops and looping fits into your monkey music? > kim Hi Kim... It's haha funny how often I'm involved in off-topic redirection... 8-> Actual on topic implementation strategies follow! Solo, I typically loop the first "interesting bit" I come across, however long. Which I then either compliment / argue with / Vortex / car crash... then later fade while permutating, often with short sequeway loops from either Vortex, LXP15II or the delays in my GX-700... In ensembles it becomes quite a bit harder to slip in loops... It's mostly chemistry... are the jam mates really listeners, or do they really need to get their own ideas out? Often the first person to loop defines that portion of the improv. Then it's up to others to support / subvert the given musical content. Using short cloud like loops to provide a backdrop sometimes works well when there's other defined material present, sometimes allowing the longer more defined loop/looper to permutate without dropouts... Using short loopers with time knobs and wacking at the hold button until it's resampled itself into bleeps and blips provides actual interesting and surprising content to play with... ala Bill Frissell and Nels Cline. Sending the JamMan through my Waldorf 4-pole analog filter often completly revoices the loop adding very percussive elements. This can also morph into insect like twitching... and finally descend into the sub-bass muck which the filter does quite well. If the insect sounds become bothersome, I groom them from my own loops, then move over to my fellow looper... best, monkey-man-miko From ???@??? Mon Oct 19 16:11:16 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id SAA25005; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 18:56:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 18:56:23 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 15:39:48 -0700 Message-ID: <0013D0FB.C21407@wj.com> From: Mike.Biffle@wj.com (Mike Biffle) Subject: Re: A Million Monkeys To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, Kim Flint Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Resent-Message-ID: <"1y2ci2.0.rk5.I5yAs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2295 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > So here's a question to ponder: > If a million monkeys post to Looper's Delight, how long before one of them > happens to post on topic? :-) Perheps some of you monkeys would be so kind > as to explain how loops and looping fits into your monkey music? > kim Hi Kim... It's haha funny how often I'm involved in off-topic redirection... 8-> Actual on topic implementation strategies follow! Solo, I typically loop the first "interesting bit" I come across, however long. Which I then either compliment / argue with / Vortex / car crash... then later fade while permutating, often with short sequeway loops from either Vortex, LXP15II or the delays in my GX-700... In ensembles it becomes quite a bit harder to slip in loops... It's mostly chemistry... are the jam mates really listeners, or do they really need to get their own ideas out? Often the first person to loop defines that portion of the improv. Then it's up to others to support / subvert the given musical content. Using short cloud like loops to provide a backdrop sometimes works well when there's other defined material present, sometimes allowing the longer more defined loop/looper to permutate without dropouts... Using short loopers with time knobs and wacking at the hold button until it's resampled itself into bleeps and blips provides actual interesting and surprising content to play with... ala Bill Frissell and Nels Cline. Sending the JamMan through my Waldorf 4-pole analog filter often completly revoices the loop adding very percussive elements. This can also morph into insect like twitching... and finally descend into the sub-bass muck which the filter does quite well. If the insect sounds become bothersome, I groom them from my own loops, then move over to my fellow looper... best, monkey-man-miko From ???@??? Mon Oct 19 16:11:18 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id SAA25346; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 18:58:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 18:58:48 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: WrongWayCM@aol.com Message-ID: <58e350b3.362bc09f@aol.com> Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 18:43:43 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Oberheim Echoplex for sale? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 79 Resent-Message-ID: <"aPGhy3.0.ug5.24yAs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2294 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi everybody, I'm a Philadelphia based musician and have been interested in looping for a few years now. I've been using a borrowed Lexicon JamMan lately but would like to buy a looper for myself. I've heard good things about the Echoplex and was interested in buying one. I saw one in a catalogue for $699 plus like $150 for the pedals. I was wondering if anyone was selling one used or knows where to get one for less money. Please e-mail me at WrongWayCM@aol.com Thanks! Colin Marston From ???@??? Mon Oct 19 17:18:24 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id TAA00623; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 19:44:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 19:44:37 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: matthias@mail.grob.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 01:14:59 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Echoplex for sale.. Resent-Message-ID: <"u674P2.0.o17.vXyAs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2297 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Moment... da habe ich etwas nicht klar gemacht: ich finde auch, diese mailing list koennte fuer dich interessant sein, aber sie sollte nur in Ausnahmefaellen Handel enthalten und ich dachte Du wuerdest an "Jonathan Brainin" schreiben... janu Gruss Matthias >>Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 16:53:03 -0400 >>X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to >>Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f >>From: "Jonathan Brainin" >>To: >>Subject: Fw: Oberheim Echoplex >>Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 16:46:46 -0400 >>MIME-Version: 1.0 >>X-Priority: 3 >>X-MSMail-Priority: Normal >>X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2120.0 >>Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >>Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >>X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2229 >>X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >>Precedence: list >>Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >>Status: >> >>For you euro-loopers searching for an EDP: >> >>>For sale; >>>Oberheim Echoplex, with max, Sample-RAM (196 sec loop-time) >>>$ 550,- plus shipping from Germany >>>Pieter >> > >Hi >I got this message from Matthias Grob. >I am interested on this Echoplex. >I'm coming from switzerland and loop since some years. >Tell me if this Echoplex is in Germany or in USA. >Thanks for mailing Stefan From ???@??? Mon Oct 19 17:18:25 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id TAA00714; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 19:45:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 19:45:22 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: matthias@mail.grob.org Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 01:18:43 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: sorry, I did it again :-) Resent-Message-ID: <"pcwv1.0.jA7.QbyAs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2298 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com That one escaped while I was talking about not doing what I then did! Moment... da habe ich etwas nicht klar gemacht: ich finde auch, diese mailing list koennte fuer dich interessant sein, aber sie sollte nur in Ausnahmefaellen Handel enthalten und ich dachte Du wuerdest an "Jonathan Brainin" schreiben... janu Gruss Matthias >>Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 16:53:03 -0400 >>X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to >>Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f >>From: "Jonathan Brainin" >>To: >>Subject: Fw: Oberheim Echoplex >>Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 16:46:46 -0400 >>MIME-Version: 1.0 >>X-Priority: 3 >>X-MSMail-Priority: Normal >>X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2120.0 >>Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >>Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >>X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2229 >>X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >>Precedence: list >>Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >>Status: >> >>For you euro-loopers searching for an EDP: >> >>>For sale; >>>Oberheim Echoplex, with max, Sample-RAM (196 sec loop-time) >>>$ 550,- plus shipping from Germany >>>Pieter >> > >Hi >I got this message from Matthias Grob. >I am interested on this Echoplex. >I'm coming from switzerland and loop since some years. >Tell me if this Echoplex is in Germany or in USA. >Thanks for mailing Stefan From ???@??? Mon Oct 19 17:18:28 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id TAA02112; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 19:54:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 19:54:14 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Jim_M_Shepherd@tivoli.com X-Lotus-FromDomain: TIVOLI SYSTEMS To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-ID: <862566A2.00814A26.00@MTA-Austin2.tivoli.com> Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 18:21:13 -0500 Subject: Re: P2 Quandaries! (was: Fripp Nerves) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"8ERlC.0.W_7.jtyAs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2299 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >... This reminds me of a previous poster recalling someone asking if a >Fripp piece was played by a keyboardist, would you still listen to it? It's a >very interesting question... I'd listen to it if it were played by a an accordianist! But hey, I like Fripp's compositions. Regards, Jim From ???@??? Mon Oct 19 18:27:44 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id UAA06187; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 20:17:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 20:17:52 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Paolo Valladolid Message-Id: <199810200004.RAA17576@waynesworld.ucsd.edu> Subject: SP-808 Test Drive To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 17:04:45 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <0013D0FB.C21407@wj.com> from "Mike Biffle" at Oct 19, 98 03:39:48 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"wIZvK2.0.611.qFzAs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2300 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com When I dropped off my Roland GR700 at a local music tech store/repair shop (heh, if the repair bill is higher than the worth of the unit, I'll let them keep the darn thing! :)), they happened to have the Roland SP-808 on display. Naturally, I took the opportunity to play with it a bit. What it basically does is let you play up to four samples at once out of a selection of up to 16 samples at a time. You select a pad bank, then watch the 16 trigger pads light up as the samples load up. With a Hold button, you can have the unit loop a sample. Obviously, the kind of samples you want to work with here are not the perfect tabla sample or that pristine Steinway piano, but rather phrases of music such as a bass line, breakbeat, etc. I was disappointed when told that you cannot playback and sample at the same time. I thought it would be great if one could play two phrase samples while sampling oneself playing live bass at the same time, then work with the newly sampled bass line. The filter knobs and D-beam are nice real-time features. The D-beam can be set to one of three modes: Filter, Pitch, Sample Trigger. The D-beam is a motion sensor that can detect movement in an oval-shaped area above the sensor. Filter mode has the D-beam perform filtering effects. Pitch allows one to use the D-beam to affect both pitch and playback rate of the samples (like a DJ's turntable moves). Sample Trigger allows one to trigger different phrase samples using the D-beam. I had a lot of fun triggering the D-beam by leaning into it with my head as well as waving around. However, I was disappointed that I could not find a way to not have the D-beam affect playback globally. In other words, I could not, for example, find a way to use the D-beam to mess with a sampled vocal phrase without affecting the playback of a breakbeat that was going on at the same time. I'd like to be able to have a steady rhythmic foundation over which I could do weird things to samples floating on top with the D-beam. The SP-808 uses an interesting memory management concept. It uses a 100MB Zip disk as virtual RAM instead of real RAM. Overall, the SP-808 is a fun toy. I enjoyed pretending to be DJ Spooky and a Chemical Brother (the demo samples being inspired by those artists). I was however disappointed that it could not sample and playback at the same time (now I'm beginning to understand Kim's point about dedicated loopers and DJ-oriented gear beginning to converge but not being there yet) and that the D-beam appeared to be always global. Keep in mind, though, that I am not a DJ or remix artist myself; just somebody interested in getting into that stuff at some point. Cheers, Paolo From ???@??? Mon Oct 19 19:59:32 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id WAA24712; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 22:48:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 22:48:29 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19981020021840.18031.rocketmail@web1.rocketmail.com> Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 19:18:40 -0700 (PDT) From: "Rev. Doubt-Goat" Subject: Re: A Million Monkeys loops To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"YElsa.0.DW5.oP_As"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2302 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com 93 ---Mike Biffle wrote: > In ensembles it becomes quite a bit harder to slip in loops... It's mostly > chemistry... are the jam mates really listeners, or do they really need to get > their own ideas out? Often the first person to loop defines that portion of the > improv. Then it's up to others to support / subvert the given musical content. A lot of the time, I'll simply begin ambient loops, which the drums and stick can easily ignore, or react to. If I'm feeling particularly aggressive, I'll build the loop into a huge monsterousity that'll simply take over the sonic space. When improving with non-loopers, the loop tends to define content for everyone. I've always been fond of Fripp's description of long loops as trying to steer an ocean liner, as opposed to a speed boat. 93 Rev. Doubt-Goat (posting frenzy!) === The Homepages of the Doubt-Goat The Darsan Trio Sekhet Maat Oasis, O.T.O. Lion & Serpent http://www.easystreet.com/~twilliam _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From ???@??? Mon Oct 19 19:59:31 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id WAA24550; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 22:47:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 22:47:20 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Crossedout@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 22:30:26 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: VG-8 or 2112 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Resent-Message-ID: <"wse9d.0.SU5.zO_As"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2301 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 10/19/98 12:21:23 AM Central Daylight Time, ureye@hotmail.com writes: << Maybe you have some patches that would make me reconsider? I would definately be interested if you came up with anything sweet. Let me know. >> Unfortunately, all the patches I programmed in over my first five years of using the unit got scrubbed when the battery died... so now I have to start all over from the factory presets... SOB!!!!!! - Bill Crossedout@aol.com From ???@??? Sat Oct 24 20:44:18 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id WAA25986; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 22:51:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 22:51:05 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: DainL@AustinTX.net (Dain R. Luscombe) To: "loop" Subject: FS: semi looping related stuff. Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 21:39:49 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <19981023023436200.AAA257@sex.austintx.net> Resent-Message-ID: <"RmM1s.0.ws5.Ck-Bs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2349 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com man, the restaurant where I was waiting tables shut down and they're turning it into a cul-de-sac so I need rent bad. As a result I'm going to need this stuff prepaid, as I don't even have money for food right now let alone shipping. You guys get first dibs though! here' goes. (Heavily loop related) Aria Effects programmer $80 This is a foot long unit with 15 switches, 5 independant effects sends, and four foot pedals on it (1 bypass, 3 different programs). Very usefull for switching effects and loops in and out of the audio path. It also supplies power to 5 pedals. This unit is in good condition but I have written the names of my effects in the little ID boxes. $80 bucks and I'll pay shipping. (Barely Loop Related) UMI treble, bass booster and mute 60$ This is a large silver effects box that has knobs for treble enhancement (good), mute (kind of a weak lowpass filter), and bass boost (GREAT!) With this box you can filter out all treble from your bass and have super low dubstyle sub bass. I don't really want to get rid of it, but I need food. $60 and I'll pay shipping. Ibanez GE9 Graphic EQ $60 This is the old-school silver button light blue model with 6 bands of EQ sliders and one volume slider. It's kinda worn and scratched but sounds great! $60 and I'll pay shipping. Thanks guys! dain From ???@??? Sat Oct 24 20:44:20 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id WAA26912; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 22:58:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 22:58:52 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: DainL@AustinTX.net (Dain R. Luscombe) To: "loop" Subject: good looking looper shows in Texas Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 21:52:17 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <19981023024623156.AAA186@sex.austintx.net> Resent-Message-ID: <"lwFYU1.0.zF6.Gv-Bs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2350 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com due to my lack of jobness I do have more time on my hands to play shows so here you go. October 30th Curtain Club, Dallas, Texas: futurebeat showcase (or something silly like that) featuring: Terrorcouple Falcon Project kitty November 14th Electric Lounge, Austin Texas: kitty's 808fest featuring: kitty (us again) OMD 20/20 Falcon Project seeya From ???@??? Mon Oct 19 22:11:15 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id AAA06076; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 00:35:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 00:35:28 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <362C0157.76951DE8@latrobe.edu.au> Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 14:19:50 +1100 From: Brad Knox Reply-To: B.Knox@latrobe.edu.au X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Subject: [Fwd: Monkey Music] Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------FB1471D58FB807574B2A3334" Resent-Message-ID: <"_Ps1k2.0.8G1.d31Bs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2306 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Received: from luga.latrobe.edu.au (luga.latrobe.edu.au [131.172.2.2]) by popeye.latrobe.edu.au (8.8.6/8.6.9) with ESMTP id XAA11385 for ; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 23:26:11 +1000 (EST) From: Dpcoffin@aol.com Received: from imo13.mx.aol.com (imo13.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.3]) by luga.latrobe.edu.au (8.8.6/8.6.9) with ESMTP id XAA10164 for ; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 23:26:08 +1000 (EST) Received: from Dpcoffin@aol.com by imo13.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id 9CQIa13872 for ; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 09:24:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <7ccc9a8f.362b3d94@aol.com> Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 09:24:36 EDT To: B.Knox@latrobe.edu.au Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Re: Monkey Music Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 82 In a message dated 10/19/98 5:26:03 AM, Brad wrote: <> Reminds me of the distraction I've often experienced at some hi-tech concerts, where the performers don't seem to be performing, just servicing the equipment--makes it hard to tell whether what you're hearing is the "piece," or just prepatory maintenence; I'd rather be just hearing the sounds from a radio. In person, I seem inadvertently to demand the increased and compelling drama of watching something extraordinary being accomplished before my eyes, by a charasmatic humanoid...it's as if music in person must also recognize that's it's dance, too. I love those found soundscapes from unattended miked wires, etc...but the "sound itself" always makes me want to take on the challenge of taking control at least a little, simply to add the presense of a human awareness; I guess it's nothing more than species-self-absorption, but it adds Art to Nature, which I always do find irresistable, no matter how infrequently there's an actual synthesis... One such synthesis which made an indelible mark on my future as a music'n'sound maker was a radio glimpse, at least 20 years ago, of an installation of miked wires in a sculpture gallery, with which the public was encouraged to interact. The show consisted of selected "performances" from the installation's recorded history, and as a revelation of both the wonder and joy of plucked'n'vibrating wires, and the tantalizing confusion over "made-or- found?" it'd be hard to beat. The memory's definitely still "generating more art" around here... dpc From ???@??? Mon Oct 19 22:11:07 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id XAA30345; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 23:36:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 23:36:04 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Dpcoffin@aol.com Message-ID: <90b73921.362c01ce@aol.com> Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 23:21:50 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: RE: Free improv Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 84 Resent-Message-ID: <"SLwnf3.0.q47.G90Bs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2303 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 10/19/98 3:06:41 PM, Stig wrote: >I'll be waiting for the video release of Peter >Greenaway's "The Pillow Book" It's out... dpc From ???@??? Mon Oct 19 22:11:10 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id XAA01398; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 23:59:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 23:59:57 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Dpcoffin@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 23:42:29 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: SP-808 Test Drive Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 84 Resent-Message-ID: <"qxBEa2.0.sj7.vS0Bs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2304 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 10/19/98 8:16:34 PM, Paolo wrote: >Overall, the SP-808 is a fun toy. >I was however disappointed that it could not sample and playback at the >same time (now I'm beginning to understand Kim's point about dedicated >loopers and DJ-oriented gear beginning to converge but not being there yet) >and that the D-beam appeared to be always global. I've been working out with a used 808 for about a week now (with NO interest in "traditional" DJ'ing or remixing), and after I get a MIDI pedal that sends MMC, I'll be reporting on it as a realtime looper...so far, it's pretty clear that Kim is right: Not there yet, still not favoring total spontaneity, but some really intriguing options bubbling up...doesn't seem to be any way to trigger sampling to the pads by foot...etc...etc The D-Beam definitely doesn't have to be global, altho the Vari-speed function always is, I believe. dpc From ???@??? Mon Oct 19 22:11:11 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id AAA01581; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 00:00:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 00:00:25 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Dpcoffin@aol.com Message-ID: <8ea5c211.362c0784@aol.com> Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 23:46:12 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: vg-8 (and more) looping Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 84 Resent-Message-ID: <"AMK9B.0.Sq7.3W0Bs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2305 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 10/19/98 12:12:12 PM, Olivier wrote: >I do inject my guitars (VG-8/tube premps/guitar synth) into a mackie.>> Me, too (only it's VG, tube amp/mic, and GT-5)...the Mackie's a 1604vlz, and I've got volume pedals on the fx returns to channels...I send the master out to a stereo delay for looping, returning that to a channel pair, and monitor the whole thing from the cr/phones. The vlz's routing switches make it all possible, and vurra flexible! dpc From ???@??? Mon Oct 19 23:03:57 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id BAA24913; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 01:43:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 01:43:16 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 00:31:02 -0500 (CDT) From: "Hagen Kirk \"Ratfink\"" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Vortex price questions Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"1kPyV1.0.j15.i12Bs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2307 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Just joined the list ona reccomendation of a friend and I've gotten a couple of potential prices for a couple of different vortex'es adn I was curious what a reasonable price if for one of these these days? The Vortex section on teh Loopers Delight Archive page is all from 1996 so I dont really know ifthe price has altered drastically from teh 150.00 they were kicking around for then. Any helpful hints would be appreciated Hagen Kirk ICQ:9914031 Slappy Squirrel on ISCA BBS www.giant.net/~hagen From ???@??? Tue Oct 20 03:12:41 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id CAA03884; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 02:14:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 02:14:22 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <362C27B1.43FF5EBE@dial.pipex.com> Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 07:03:29 +0100 From: Gareth Whittock X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V98 #178 References: <199810192254.SAA24601@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"bECiu1.0.gx7.tU2Bs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2308 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hey guys, If some people dig this free improv stuff that's cool by me. I like the free improv. = free entrance fee idea since it would encourage more people to investigate this stuff and if they didn't like it they wouldn't feel too put out. When I mean't good and bad I was thinking from the pov of composing music by accepting/rejecting notes/phrases/textures etc. This filtering process to me is the job of a composer. You could broaden it out to accepting/rejecting musical processes but I still think a clever idea is not enough. The sound is the thing Oh and Stig, "Oh yeah Gareth . . . most people probably don't want to hear it" I think you got your wires crossed here. I certainly don't judge music by its popularity. I haven't seen Titanic either does that make me cool ;) Good to meet another Greenaway fan :) Gareth From ???@??? Mon Oct 19 23:18:44 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id CAA02959 for kflint@annihilist.com; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 02:11:50 -0400 Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 02:11:50 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-From_: Resonance8@aol.com Tue Oct 20 02:11:45 1998 Received: from imo19.mx.aol.com (imo19.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.9]) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) with ESMTP id CAA02905 for ; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 02:11:45 -0400 From: Resonance8@aol.com Received: from Resonance8@aol.com by imo19.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id COWCa04680 for ; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 02:09:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Old-Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 02:09:48 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: unsubvscribe. Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 84 X-Diagnostic: undecipherable, help sent X-Envelope-To: Loopers-Delight i lost my instructions on how to unsubscribe fromt his list. i just don't have the time for it:0 i like it though. k u s h From ???@??? Tue Oct 20 03:12:59 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id EAA19924; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 04:20:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 04:20:28 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: David_Mitchell@HP-Australia-notes1.om.hp.com X-OpenMail-Hops: 3 Date: Tue, 20 Oct 98 18:00:30 +1000 In-Reply-To: <"NOTES_CORRELATION_ITEM*"@MHS> Message-Id: <"42846:1*"@MHS> Subject: Re: EDP Group Purchase MIME-Version: 1.0 TO: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; name="Lotus" Content-Disposition: inline; filename="Lotus" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"0KJTg2.0.5Y3.mE4Bs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2309 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Anyone have any idea what it would cost to ship an EDP from New York to California (with appropriate insurance)? Ball park figures are fine - I'm trying to figure out if/how I could get an EDP delivered to someone in California, have someone else pick it up for me from California and carry it to me in Australia as "personal luggage" and understand how much it's all going to cost (to the nearest $100 or so)... If this falls through and if a few others in Oz are interested, it may be cost effective to pool our money, fly someone from Oz to either California or Hawaii, have them pick up a bunch of EDPs, bring them back to Oz, take the 22% import duty hit on each box and distribute the EDPs when they get back. Even at - ~$A1000 per EDP unit (at current exchange rates) - plus $220 per unit import duty - plus ~$A1500 for a single economy return flight to California - plus insurance - plus some extra money for someone to do the leg work, it'd soon work out considerably cheaper than the $A3k per EDP it costs to buy them locally. If you could get 6 people buying 1 EDP each together and resolve any issues of trusting people out of the way, you'd be down around $A1500+(whatever gets paid to the "US tourist") per EDP... Regards Dave Mitchell From ???@??? Tue Oct 20 11:53:46 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id KAA00203; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 10:23:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 10:23:07 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199810201405.HAA28691@crow.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Subject: Visual interest in music Date: Tue, 20 Oct 98 09:06:02 +0100 x-sender: tiktok@pop.a001.sprintmail.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0, March 15, 1997 From: Tiktok Mobile HQ To: "Looper's Delight" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <"cpXBt2.0.RM6.Ja9Bs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2311 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >Reminds me of the distraction I've often experienced at some hi-tech >concerts, where the performers don't seem to be performing, just servicing >the >equipment--makes it hard to tell whether what you're hearing is the "piece," >or just prepatory maintenence; I'd rather be just hearing the sounds from a >radio. In person, I seem inadvertently to demand the increased and compelling >drama of watching something extraordinary being accomplished before my eyes, >by a charasmatic humanoid...it's as if music in person must also recognize >that's it's dance, too. Well, we all have our shortcomings. In addition to a vigorous on-stage display of semi-rhythmic enthusiasm, I prefer that all the musicians be cute, between the ages of 19 and 29, and outfitted in the latest youth fashions. Travis Hartnett From ???@??? Tue Oct 20 11:53:10 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id GAA07203; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 06:42:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 06:42:40 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Sender: camao@camsg001.camb.scee.sony.co.uk Message-ID: <362C61D6.591CA834@scee.sony.co.uk> Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 11:11:34 +0100 From: Os X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (X11; I; IRIX 6.3 IP32) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ken Mistove CC: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: software looper? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"-40VL1.0.F17.m96Bs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2310 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Ken Mistove wrote: > I had mentioned the software looper I'm developing to this list a few times. > > You can grab it from my web site: > http://www.eclipse.net/~kmistove/Procrastination.sit. Ken... Downloaded this yesterday - it's a great start! Though I won't really be able to make proper use of it until I get a RAM upgrade... I particularly appreciate the ability to record the looping performance to disk - just record a few, drop 'em into VST, and there's my next album done. Suggestions for future improvements: - mutes on inputs to loops - ability to play loops backwards (whilst recording forwards) - ability to play loops at half/double/etc. speed Please keep Loopers Delight updated with your news! cheers, -- Os os@scee.sony.co.uk os@collective.co.uk http://www.collective.co.uk/ From ???@??? Tue Oct 20 14:46:55 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id RAA22405; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 17:16:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 17:16:13 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 15:19:02 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: patrick@his.com (Patrick Smith) Subject: Re: Good Looking Monkey Music Resent-Message-ID: <"-EwZI.0.bw2.xWFBs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2314 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com The day all the remove me/digest posts came, Dain wrote: snip... Tongue in Cheek...? > nd of performances to make sure there is a strong visual >element to the set. I personally would (and have in the past) listened to >hours of totally useless thoughtless looping and jamming JUST because the >band A) had nice analog synths to look at B) had a nice old Fender Jaguar >or other sexy guitar snip Hey Dain, Come to the next FingerPaint performance in November then...we have lots f analog synths, five or six looping devices( soon to be adding a plex via deal here...) and a beautiful old sunburst Jaguar that I'll soon be retiring form the public eye... Good humor after all those damn removes, etc.... Patrick Now Available: FingerPaint Primary Colors: BLUE "can be edgy and intense as well as relaxing...." FAQT Shockwave audio featuring our newest release Primary Colors:Blue www.fingerpaint.net From ???@??? Tue Oct 20 11:53:52 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id MAA30656; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 12:47:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 12:47:32 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <2148EC143F29D1118BE000805FC13CD06E97D3@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V98 #178 Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 11:27:55 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Resent-Message-ID: <"2RSfi1.0.gY5.IgBBs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2312 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > Hey guys, > If some people dig this free improv stuff that's cool by me. > I like the free improv. = free entrance fee idea since it would > encourage more people to investigate this stuff and if they didn't > like it they wouldn't feel too put out. > I guess that one could say about anything. I have an aversion to seeing rock bands that seem to me to be recycling stuff. Should they play for free too? Club owners probably wouldn't like that anyway . . . besides almost all of the gigs that I play here in LA (which feels like a wasteland to me right now) have been free in terms of me not getting any money, seems that the doorguy and bartender will end up getting paid more than me. > When I mean't good and bad I was thinking from the pov of composing > music by accepting/rejecting notes/phrases/textures etc. This > filtering process to me is the job of a composer. You could broaden > it out to accepting/rejecting musical processes but I still think > a clever idea is not enough. > When an improv is really clicking it is like collective composition (IMHO). I've heard lots of "compositions" that seem to have less going for them than improvs. Whenever I'm playing improv stuff half of my time is spent figuring out when NOT to play, when not to start a loop, when to jettison the loop idea I was going to start, etc. I can tell when someone's really listening by watching them getting ready to play and then stopping because they realize that the idea that they had 20 seconds ago is now obsolete. (Rejecting) Conversely, when someone starts up a good idea I try to jump in and lock in with 'em, either texturally, groove-wise, etc.(Accepting) I've heard lots of clever ideas masquerading as compositions . . . > The sound is the thing > On both the improv and composition fronts. > I haven't seen Titanic either does that make me cool ;) > Just me feeling out of touch/jaded/frustrated/etc. NOT "cool" . . . > Good to meet another Greenaway fan :) > likewise stig From ???@??? Mon Oct 19 17:18:18 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id TAA30158; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 19:26:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 19:26:15 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199810192313.TAA18881@shell.monmouth.com> Reply-To: From: "andre" To: Subject: Re: JFK's Lsd UFO Live.. Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 19:13:40 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"jdCbc3.0.-v6.qVyAs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2296 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Jim.. thanks so much for the thoughts ! that means a lot. perhaps we can exchange some tapes... peace, andre' Homepage http://www.monmouth.com/~andre Info on my bands JFK's LSD UFO and HIDDEN AGENDA official PROJECT/OBJECT site http://www.jswd.net/projectobject [frank zappa tribute band i play guitar in] ---------- > From: Jim_M_Shepherd@tivoli.com > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Subject: Re: JFK's Lsd UFO Live.. > Date: Monday, October 19, 1998 1:29 PM > > Hi Andre, > > My thoughts and good wishes are with you as you perform tonight. > > > Wish I could see it. I'm the only looper I know in Central Indiana. > > Regards, > > Jim > > From ???@??? Tue Oct 20 18:25:08 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id UAA17786; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 20:36:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 20:36:26 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 20:22:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19981019140754.006baca8@popper.simi-valley.tt.slb.com > Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Todd Reynolds Subject: unsubscribe Resent-Message-ID: <"3Mh3T2.0.363.0dIBs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2315 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com unsubsribe -------------------- Liz Knowles and Todd Reynolds Write to Liz at her NEW and private Lidd Music Partners email address which is... 500B Grand St. 11G NY NY 10002 lizfyddle@aol.com 212 475-8559 phone on the road again..... 212 358-9371 fax liddmuse@bway.net http://www.bway.net/~liddmuse From ???@??? Tue Oct 20 18:25:13 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id VAA29575; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 21:02:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 21:02:26 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <362D3E91.9D63C420@magelang.com> Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 18:53:21 -0700 From: Jim Coker Reply-To: jcoker@magelang.com Organization: Magelang Institute X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: VG-8 or 2112 References: <19981019051011.28455.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"RGC2X3.0.Jp5.q-IBs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2316 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I think this is a very personal thing and you'll have to sit down and play each for a while. Each has it's own advantages in terms of specific features (such as basses and guitar emulations on the VG8, and the wealth of FX configurations on the 2112), but tone is a tough choice. I remember comparing my 2101 with a sansamp pretty carefully and deciding that the tubes had a little something extra, even though the difference wasn't that great. Jim From ???@??? Wed Oct 21 11:49:42 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id AAA09877; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 00:09:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 00:09:54 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: AURALG@aol.com Message-ID: <930f9cbc.362d5adc@aol.com> Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 23:54:04 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Fo' Sale Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 61 Resent-Message-ID: <"YKtSA3.0.A-.IjLBs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2317 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Really didn't want to do this but here goes. EDP and foot controller and virgin SIMMS for 198 secs for sale. Virtually new....only saw 4 gigs $675 +cod takes it !!!! Great things have been played through this unit, so it has a happy "vibe" From ???@??? Wed Oct 21 11:49:48 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id BAA32340; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 01:03:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 01:03:55 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19981021004251.007a5290@mindspring.com> X-Sender: zanga@mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 00:42:51 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Rik Myers Subject: EDP Group Purchase, second quotation In-Reply-To: <930f9cbc.362d5adc@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"WU-tb1.0.Wd5.hOMBs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2318 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I'll keep this brief to preserve bandwidth. Brian Meader of Washington Music will sell us the EDP with 4 megs and the foot controller for $695, higher than Alto's deal. He said he will contact Oberheim and see if he can get a special discount for the group. As soon as he gets back to me, I'll get back to you (all). Aloha -> Rico From ???@??? Wed Oct 21 11:50:37 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id HAA23192; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 07:37:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 07:37:30 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 06:20:30 -0500 (CDT) Sender: crash@waste.org From: Todd Madson To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Software Mac Looper Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"y6q2R2.0.Ew3.aFSBs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2319 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wow. I'll be checking out http://www.eclipse.net/~kmistove/ very soon as my Mac has 80 megs of ram. I'll let you know what I think of this software looper - it ought to be pretty interesting (it sure beats buying stacks of gear!) -Todd From ???@??? Wed Oct 21 11:51:16 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id NAA28129; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 13:57:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 13:57:54 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <362DD86B.73C77966@nyfac.com> Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 13:49:48 +0100 From: "Trevor D. Bajus, purveyor of the new rock" Reply-To: nyfac2@nyfac.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Visual interest in music References: <362DF9FD.3C74@mdbs.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"T8Jgs1.0.sc5.4tXBs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2328 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Dennis W. Leas wrote: > Dpcoffin@aol.com wrote: > > > > In a message dated 10/20/98 2:21:50 PM, you wrote: > > > > < > display of semi-rhythmic enthusiasm, I prefer that all the musicians be > > cute, between the ages of 19 and 29, and outfitted in the latest youth > > fashions.>> > > > > Or would you perhaps prefer your audience to be blindfolded? > > Sounds intriguing! I like it! ;) But then they would miss me breakdancing and doing the robot. -- Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity. From ???@??? Wed Oct 21 11:50:40 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id JAA29753; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 09:10:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 09:10:50 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 13:50:29 +0100 Message-ID: <0019608C.1424@mail.bl.uk> From: David.Orton@mail.bl.uk (David Orton) Subject: Transatlantic looping collaboration - results online To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Resent-Message-ID: <"LGac01.0.2n5.tdTBs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2321 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Dear Loopists The first results of an on-going looping project, a collaboration between James H Sidlo and myself, are now available in MPEG format at the following URL: If you can spare the time, I'd be grateful to find out how easy or otherwise the files prove to download, and for any comments you may wish to pass-on to James or me. Cheers David From ???@??? Wed Oct 21 11:50:38 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id IAA08252; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 08:21:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 08:21:09 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199810211205.IAA02501@ulster.net> Subject: EDP Group Purchase: I got mine! Date: Wed, 21 Oct 98 08:04:45 -0500 x-sender: evening@pop.ulster.net x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: evening To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <"3UCiP1.0.hc.NvSBs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2320 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com YES! Ok - I ordered it a week ago, a few days before this group deal got started - at a higher price than was quoted for the group buy, but the price was adjusted accordingly. Gibson is right-on with it's delivery time. The people at Alto are pleased & amazed at the response. they've got 6 solid orders and have rec'd lots of calls from loopers who are "gettin' it together" cash-wise. Hopefully everyone will have their loopers soon and we can get down to the business of music, bringing the list back to a "normal" state. I'm going to spend the day digging into the EDP. If anyone has suggestions/tips/trick/techniques regarding the use of the EDP I'd love to hear 'em. jmw From ???@??? Wed Oct 21 11:50:42 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id JAA16972; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 09:57:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 09:57:08 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 09:36:34 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Information on contact microphones Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 171 Resent-Message-ID: <"RCOEI2.0.UD2.MFUBs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2322 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 13/10/98 14:42:03 GMT, you write: << >yourself a couple of contact mics, you can visit... >http://www.harmonycentral.com/Guitar/piezo-pickups.txt >There are a ton of posts on this subject that can help you out tremendously. Or, if you have an electronics surplus store nearby (as I do), they may have piezo-electric disks for use as speakers >> Use an old pair of broken walkman headphones. From ???@??? Wed Oct 21 11:50:43 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id KAA19044; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 10:01:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 10:01:45 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.19981021094649.0077efe8@dharma.mitre.org> X-Sender: seligman@dharma.mitre.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 09:46:49 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Len Seligman Subject: Isn't anybody using BrotherSync on the EDP? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"Rt9Us.0.lJ3.5PUBs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2323 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Isn't anybody using BrotherSync on the EDP for syncing multiple looped instruments? I sent this out a couple of days ago and haven't heard a thing. I'd love to hear about people's experiences. Thanks, Len >Are you using Brother Sync to synchronize two Echoplexes, each with its own footswitch controller? If you're using it, what settings are you using for parameters like Quantize and SwitchQuantize? > >My music partner and I are just beginning to use this and finding that it's not so easy to get everything to work out. In particular, we want a tight sync between the two units but we also want instantaneous response to our switch presses. > >Any words of wisdom? From ???@??? Wed Oct 21 11:50:44 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id KAA26190; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 10:17:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 10:17:13 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Dpcoffin@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 10:04:11 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Visual interest in music Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 82 Resent-Message-ID: <"rElRX3.0.K45.ieUBs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2324 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 10/20/98 2:21:50 PM, you wrote: <> Or would you perhaps prefer your audience to be blindfolded? From ???@??? Wed Oct 21 11:50:45 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id KAA28918; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 10:23:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 10:23:04 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Wjguitar@aol.com Message-ID: <1f47985b.362deb60@aol.com> Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 10:10:40 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Isn't anybody using BrotherSync on the EDP? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 170 Resent-Message-ID: <"yxjey2.0.xy5.tlUBs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2325 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com The Brother sync works fine with a pair of EDP's used in stereo...one becomes the master and the other the slave. The foot controller gets hooked up to the master. Regards, Wayne From ???@??? Wed Oct 21 11:50:50 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id LAA25875; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 11:27:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 11:27:41 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <362DF9FD.3C74@mdbs.com> Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 10:13:01 -0500 From: "Dennis W. Leas" X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win95; U) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Visual interest in music References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"yHV263.0.yP4.ObVBs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2326 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Dpcoffin@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 10/20/98 2:21:50 PM, you wrote: > > < display of semi-rhythmic enthusiasm, I prefer that all the musicians be > cute, between the ages of 19 and 29, and outfitted in the latest youth > fashions.>> > > Or would you perhaps prefer your audience to be blindfolded? Sounds intriguing! I like it! ;) - Dennis Leas -- dennis@mdbs.com From ???@??? Wed Oct 21 11:50:51 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id LAA26645; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 11:29:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 11:29:24 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <001601bdfd06$846cdd00$3c4a8581@jkudler.stu.wesleyan.edu> From: "Jesse Kudler" To: Subject: Re: Information on contact microphones Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 11:21:43 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Resent-Message-ID: <"9gmbx.0._E5.NiVBs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2327 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > Or, if you have an electronics surplus store nearby (as I do), they may > have piezo-electric disks for use as speakers >> > >Use an old pair of broken walkman headphones. As a contact mic? Wanna elaborate? -Jesse From ???@??? Sat Oct 24 20:39:24 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id QAA11860; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 16:59:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 16:59:20 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19981021202318.27714.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [207.92.61.18] From: "John Price" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Visual interest in music Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 16:23:18 EDT Resent-Message-ID: <"83RD01.0.aD7.pCaBs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2329 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 10:13:01 -0500 >From: "Dennis W. Leas" >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Subject: Re: Visual interest in music >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > >Dpcoffin@aol.com wrote: >> >> In a message dated 10/20/98 2:21:50 PM, you wrote: >> >> <> display of semi-rhythmic enthusiasm, I prefer that all the musicians be >> cute, between the ages of 19 and 29, and outfitted in the latest youth >> fashions.>> >> >> Or would you perhaps prefer your audience to be blindfolded? > >Sounds intriguing! I like it! ;) > >- Dennis Leas >-- >dennis@mdbs.com > > I tend to think the visual aspect of performance is very important and can be as stimulating and as integral to a performance just as much as musical skill, gear, presentation and arrangment/placement of sound matters. I dunno, but music and especially loop based music is not what I particularly "hear" per se, rather its often the case of how i usually see it. & often music appears to me in the form of colors and relationships that are always moving, bursting, combining or fading. I think looping would be much more prevalent and utilized more frequently across the board if it were presented in more mundane, less than "so serious" and "heavy/penetrating veins" & just left to flow in a more crass & crude manners. Is it a problem if "looks" overtake the music ??? yes and no depending on what you need to get from music. You dont need much analysis, ya just either enjoy it or pass it over. Not to put down anyone, but I just dont get goose bumps when I think of "Middle Aged" folks with dulcimers, flutes and violins improvising along the lines of modern classical stuff with maybe hints of bop using either lo-fi or hi-fi digital stuff and or analog/found gear. I always feel a big yawn coming on when i see or am around that type of stuff cause it rarely departs from the weight of its own aloofness. And not to discount the folks who feel alienated or insulted by crass presentations of "ego" or "minutae" they are valid perspectives but they seem to rule the majority ( not all but most ) loop oriented artists presently puttin stuff out right now. I dunno if u guys would call an act we mentioned a few months ago (Merzbow) a looper but I see similarities in his approach to that which is "loop" and think that in the contexts he usually frames his stuff ( Bondage - Porn- Exehibitionism ) in ( tho its way too "arty" 4 most) is in a direction that is a breath of fresh air and has a hint of danger, clearly chaos and a perverse deviance while departing from the usual stuff loopers usually indulge in en masse. While Looping is truly sensual, rarely is it ever directly indulgent on levels that are direct and obvious or meant to appeal to more than just its usual crowd. Looping seems to be always coming from something thats aloof though unquestionably valid but in the end it always smells like something you really need an encylopedia on to really appreciate. (IMHO:) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From ???@??? Sat Oct 24 20:39:26 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id SAA22617; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 18:35:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 18:35:54 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: robm@mailgate.nytimes.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 18:08:26 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: rob monn Subject: Re: Software Mac Looper Resent-Message-ID: <"IffJ63.0.kU2.-ibBs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2330 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Todd, YOU ARE GOD! I d/l'ed your looper and MSP runtime and it worked like a charm -- 4 60-second loopers at one time. I have one request. could you do a lite version requiring half the ram with two 60-sec loopers? Only a request, but it would allow me to use my old powermac as a standalone looper unit. All mac users really ought to check this out.... what a piece of work, Todd... all you need now is tap-tempo implementation and you are the LORD GOD. wow. with tap tempo my mind would be blown. the latency is crazy low, too. what a dream. thanks, todd. _________________________________ /robb monn -- robm@nytimes.com | From ???@??? Sat Oct 24 20:39:32 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id SAA30734; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 18:53:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 18:53:39 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <2148EC143F29D1118BE000805FC13CD06E97E8@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: free improv/looping/composition Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 17:17:42 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Resent-Message-ID: <"djYxF2.0.rq3.CubBs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2331 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Kim asked about the improv discussion and how it related to the topic of looping. Maybe this will be more on topic . . . For me, as I primarily use my looping devices for free improv situations, it is of critical interest to me. How does one take a fairly static device/technique and make it breathe with music that can turn on a dime? For me it comes down to using the same "muscles" (my brain and ears) that I use while playing the bass and adapting them to the technology at hand, the looping device. So I have to be listening to what's going on, see what it is that I want to do, try to ascertain if it's going to work. If it's using a looping device, then I need to set up the line or texture that I'm going to loop (unless I'm already doing it). When I'm starting to set it up, I need to reassess whether or not it's still a viable musical choice: if not, scuttle; if so, full steam ahead. The next parts of the process have to do with adding to/changing the loop, what's right and what's not. Changing volume of the loop, move to foreground or put in background. As important as knowing if and when to start is knowing when to end; is the loop starting to hinder rather than enhance the music at hand? Often I turn the loop off in the middle of an improv and bring it in for a reprise later or at the end of a piece. Perhaps I'll put it into reverse or change the octave . . . Since I play bass, the looping issue also gets into how thick the texture is and how much mud is viable in the situation. Also a consideration is how much out and out noise I want to deal with. To me it's all about creative decisions based on what's happening, where I want things to go and whether or not those coalesce. In terms of my compositional stuff, I've been almost exclusively composing structures for improv for about 6+ years now - - but these pieces have purposefully not using effects. Now, however, I'm strting to compose pieces that utilize effects and specifically looping ( ie part three of a six-part piece is based on free loop with melodies and structures sunperimposed on it). Interesting (for me) to try and adapt one set of techniques into another . . . From ???@??? Sat Oct 24 20:39:49 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id TAA18849; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 19:41:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 19:41:13 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19981021232159.20086.rocketmail@send104.yahoomail.com> Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 16:21:59 -0700 (PDT) From: robert kolosowski Subject: Re: EDP Group Purchase To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"sP0c12.0.WP2.gmcBs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2332 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com it's about $30-40US Fedex overnight i'm doing the same as you ... ---David_Mitchell@HP-Australia-notes1.om.hp.com wrote: > > > Anyone have any idea what it would cost to ship an EDP from New York to > California (with appropriate insurance)? Ball park figures are fine - I'm > trying to figure out if/how I could get an EDP delivered to someone in > California, have someone else pick it up for me from California and carry > it to me in Australia as "personal luggage" and understand how much it's > all going to cost (to the nearest $100 or so)... > > If this falls through and if a few others in Oz are interested, it may be > cost effective to pool our money, fly someone from Oz to either California > or Hawaii, have them pick up a bunch of EDPs, bring them back to Oz, take > the 22% import duty hit on each box and distribute the EDPs when they get > back. Even at > - ~$A1000 per EDP unit (at current exchange rates) > - plus $220 per unit import duty > - plus ~$A1500 for a single economy return flight to California > - plus insurance > - plus some extra money for someone to do the leg work, > it'd soon work out considerably cheaper than the $A3k per EDP it costs to > buy them locally. If you could get 6 people buying 1 EDP each together and > resolve any issues of trusting people out of the way, you'd be down around > $A1500+(whatever gets paid to the "US tourist") per EDP... > > Regards > > Dave Mitchell > > == Robert Kolosowski Kolosoro@Yahoo.com _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From ???@??? Sat Oct 24 20:40:12 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id XAA17307; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 23:25:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 23:25:20 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <362EA3C7.13F6E885@stic.net> Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 22:17:28 -0500 From: "James H. Sidlo" Organization: James H. Sidlo X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: VG8-or 2112 References: <199810192107.RAA19448@user1.channel1.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"21Ivc3.0.gt2.CAgBs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2333 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Frank Gerace wrote: > Basically I agree with all that follows on the mixer. To all this > I would only add that Mackie 1202s are very big on this list provide a great > deal of flexibilty in processing (two effects sends that can be used as mono > sends and have four effects, 2 on each send). Their manuals are easy to > understand and in conjuction with the Torn video and some time, you'll be > able to do all sorts of fun stuff. What do you think of the Berringer (sp) > equivalent of the 1202. Same quality, less dough? James jameshsidlo@stic.net > > I have a VG and use it with a 1202 and have a JamMan and Boss RSP-10 > tied into Aux send 1 and the Echoplex in Aux 2. The VG8 can also do > looping, although you don't have a lot of time available. You can set the > amount of regenration to be controlled by the expression pedal so you can > loop and play over the loop without recording by rocking back and forth on > the pedal (Thanks to David Coffin for that trick). The pickup sounds are > quite good, very reasonable approximations. With a little patience and > tweaking, you can get them to sound even better. > There's a VG website (www.vg-8.com) to which a lot of folks submit > their patches for easy download and a discussion list akinb to this one, > although not quite as busy. I find the guitar and amp sounds work really > well and I love the HRM aspects of it as well. I just released a CD and > recorded 85% of the trcks using the VG8 directly. To my ears, they sound as > good as the old fashioned tracks with a strat, SansAmp etc. into an AC30. > I still play with my amp from time to time, but live I run through > the PA. My back works much better as a result. > This is a great device with a lot of levels to it. I've never tried > the 2112 so I have no way to make a comparison. > > Frank Gerace > Dreamchild > http://www.channel1.com/users/seahorse > > At 08:53 PM 10/19/98 +0100, you wrote: > >dennis, > > > >I haven't got a VG8 but do have a Roland GR1 guitar synth. I think the key > >to flexibility is to utilise a good mixer, one with as many > >effect send as possible. > >With two outputs to process ( guitar + synth ) you use two input channels ( > >or 3 if the vg8 has stereo outs ) > >Now the signals are in the mixer , where they can be routed via the fx > >sends to various effects units. If you return the fx to other > >mixer inputs then these signals can be sent around again and out to another > >effect on another send ( or heard on the channel return ) > > Hence the usefulness of a mixer with many sends. NB: you really have to > >spend time on this, as feedback loops lurk everywhere ! It's probably the > >biggest 'my brain hurts' inducer involved with this setup, but the results > >can be very interesting. > >Unortunately you'll find most mixers come with only two fx sends, usually > >a pre and a post. Pre is better, as > >you don't have to hear the input ( dry guitar, or dry synth ) on that > >channel before you send it out again. A post signal has to have the > >channel fader up before it goes post, so you can't hide that channels > >output. In order to hear the results of all this processing, the final > >output goes stereo out to a power amp and speakers ( or the inputs of a DAT > >etc ). Big setup ! > >A very good source of ideas on using a mixer and effects is the David Torn > >video ( number 2 ). Studying this and thinking how I > >could adapt my equipment to dt's ideas has given me many hours of > >experimentation to puzzle over. > >Many people on this list use mackie 1604 mixers. I've been using a tascam > >688, which has the ability to send to 4 effects, and a handy > >little digital display ( 'scenes' ) to map the signal routing - but the 688 > >isn't really a gigging option, as it's huge.. > >Another useful aid is some kind of speaker emulator/load device which can > >take the output of your guitar amp straight to the mixer. > >This means you won't hear anything until long after you've processed it. > >Getting really gear frenzied now, a simple A/B box after your guitar signal > >where A goes to the 'silent' guitar amp and B goes to a 'heard' guitar amp > >means you can build a loop, switch to B and play over whatevers coming out > >of the mixer. > > > >I'm off now to get a life. > > > >hope this helps > >At > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: ur eye [SMTP:ureye@hotmail.com] > >Sent: 19 October 1998 02:45 > >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > >Subject: VG-8 or 2112 > > > >Ok, this may seem like comparing oranges & apples but.... I'm trying to > >choose between these. Does anyone have any comments regarding just the > >parts you can compare? Like the basic guitar timbre processing of the > >VG-8(or the synthesis there of?) I would especially like to hear from > >you folks who loop with a VG-8. Stuff like how you configure your loop > >setup w/ the unit. As a blossiming Guitar player/looper, I am ready to > >move up from my lowly SE-50 to a "real" guitar processor. I use a GR-50 > >also and get into adding a little something special to that core analog > >sound from my STRAT. That core sound is what impressed me about the > >Digitech 2112. On the other hand I like synthesized sound too so here > >lies my problem. Are the various pickup config patches on the VG > >reasonably comparable to the 'ol analog ways? > >Thanks, -Dennis > > > >______________________________________________________ > >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > > > > > From ???@??? Sat Oct 24 20:40:14 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id XAA20460; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 23:33:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 23:33:08 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <362EA488.CA5112B9@stic.net> Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 22:20:40 -0500 From: "James H. Sidlo" Organization: James H. Sidlo X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Visual interest in music References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"yZVA11.0.DD3.BDgBs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2334 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Dpcoffin@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 10/20/98 2:21:50 PM, you wrote: > > < display of semi-rhythmic enthusiasm, I prefer that all the musicians be > cute, between the ages of 19 and 29, and outfitted in the latest youth > fashions.>> If they're wearing Tommy Hilfinger, I'll go to all their > shows!!! James jameshsidlo@stic.net > > Or would you perhaps prefer your audience to be blindfolded? From ???@??? Sat Oct 24 20:40:15 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id XAA20737; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 23:33:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 23:33:48 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <362EA606.AA3E1B46@stic.net> Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 22:27:03 -0500 From: "James H. Sidlo" Organization: James H. Sidlo X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Free improv References: <90b73921.362c01ce@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"NsVvH.0.Cs3.9JgBs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2335 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Dpcoffin@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 10/19/98 3:06:41 PM, Stig wrote: > > >I'll be waiting for the video release of Peter > >Greenaway's "The Pillow Book" Excellant film!! Just saw "The > Droughtman's Contract". Personaly, I favor, "Drowning By Numbers", "A > Zed and Two Naughts". Ever hear of the Canadian film director, Guy > Madden? He's got a new one out (can't remember the title..) with > Shelly Duval. But, "Careful" and "Scenes from Gimli Hospital" are > excellant!! Cheers, James jameshsidlo@stic.net > It's out... > dpc From ???@??? Sat Oct 24 20:40:50 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id EAA01730; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 04:19:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 04:19:33 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <362EA784.7E13@nh.ultranet.com> Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 03:33:41 +0000 From: rb Reply-To: rumble@nh.ultranet.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: ANNOUNCING "MIDI Delay 3.01" Demo (Mac) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"jM5Hi1.0.BY4.z-jBs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2337 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Midi Delay 3.01 Midi Delay does many of the same things as a hardware digital delay and more...The program uses hardware digital delay terminology (such as delay time, decay and feedback) making it very intuitive to use for most electronic musicians. In this version of Midi Delay the user gets 15 seconds of delay time, and 10,000 repeats (feedback) on the main delay and 16 multitap delay sections that allow 15 seconds of delay time on each tap and the ability to send the taps on different midi channels and/or to different midi instruments. The multitap section can be fed to the main delay for further processing and cool looping effects. Controllers can be turned ON and OFF for each tap and the main delay via Midi Delay's Controller Matrix window. The main delay and each tap can be transposed up or down by as much as seven octaves in half step increments. This version also sports a keyboard splitter, reverse decay switches for all taps and the main delay, and sustain pedal control over the reverse decay. Midi delay supports Apple's Quicktime Musical Instruments v2.0 and higher as an output source. All settings in Midi Delay can be saved as a preset file and loaded later for instant recall of all parameters. Midi Delay can also save your favorite setup as a default starting setup. Requirements - A Mac with a 68030 processor or greater running System 7.5.1 and up with 6 megabytes of extra ram. Midi Delay is a fat binary application, which means it has native code for both the 680xx family of processors and the PPC family of processors (601's, 603's, 604's and G3 750's). A 14 inch monitor or larger is recommended, but not required. A midi sound module and midi controller are also required as well as a midi interface to connect the controller/module to the computer. (Midi interface, midi controller and sound module may be the same device or in the form of computer software such as Quicktime Musical Instruments). Midi Delay also requires Opcode's OMS v1.2.3 or higher (Current Version - 2.3.5) or Apple's Midi Manager v2.0.2 or higher. OMS v2.3.5 can be Downloaded for FREE from: http://www.opcode.com/downloads/oms/mac/ Midi Manager 2.0.2 Download (FREE) from: http://swupdates.info.apple.com/ Using OMS 2.3.5 (or Opcode's Latest Version) with Midi Delay will produce the best results and allow you to use all of Midi Delay's features with a minimum of effort. Jon Witte - Music Machine Studio http://www2.cybernex.net/~jonwitte/ReadMididelay.html -- Jon Witte - Music Machine Studio http://www2.cybernex.net/~jonwitte/ From ???@??? Sat Oct 24 20:40:20 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id BAA28412; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 01:11:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 01:11:34 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: AURALG@aol.com Message-ID: <6cee4a4b.362ebabe@aol.com> Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 00:55:26 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Now you see it............ Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 61 Resent-Message-ID: <"_wEXf3.0.9a5.iihBs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2336 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com EDP sold ! Thanks for the space and time Kevin From ???@??? Sat Oct 24 20:41:07 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id HAA12110; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 07:49:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 07:49:35 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 06:35:34 -0500 (CDT) Sender: crash@waste.org From: Todd Madson To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Group Buy Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"w2OB6.0.8s1.8bnBs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2338 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Can someone email me privately what the particulars of the group buy is? For example, with and without footswitch. I watched my mail server delete messages one by one, including my archive of backed-up Looper's Delight messages. Grrr... From ???@??? Sat Oct 24 20:41:10 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id IAA20320; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 08:07:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 08:07:03 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 06:51:02 -0500 (CDT) Sender: crash@waste.org From: Todd Madson To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Oh geez... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"iMK5E.0.yI3.2onBs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2339 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I wish I could take credit for the Procrastination looper software as someone recently lauded me to the skies (the lord god? more like the lord todd, nevermind - neverwasneverwillbe). But this software is actually the work of one Ken Mistove, it is he should be lauded to the skies as some sort of loop diety. Although, it's definetely a studio only thing for me. I find it difficult the idea of carting a powermac and peripherals around to make some noises. Whee! From ???@??? Sat Oct 24 20:41:14 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id IAA10357; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 08:58:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 08:58:32 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <362F25BE.C2A824CB@worldnet.att.net> Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 08:31:58 -0400 From: Jason Lescalleet Organization: DisorganizatioN X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5b2 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Oh geez... References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"3Wb3j.0.Iz7.sOoBs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2340 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Todd Madson wrote: > I wish I could take credit for the Procrastination looper software as > someone recently lauded me to the skies (the lord god? more like the > lord todd, nevermind - neverwasneverwillbe). But this software is > actually the work of one Ken Mistove, it is he should be lauded to > the skies as some sort of loop diety. > > Although, it's definetely a studio only thing for me. I find it > difficult the idea of carting a powermac and peripherals around to > make some noises. Whee! Anyone know of any good PC software for looping? From ???@??? Sat Oct 24 20:41:20 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id KAA11928 for kflint@annihilist.com; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 10:16:38 -0400 Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 10:16:38 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-From_: GRAIGORY2@aol.com Thu Oct 22 10:16:35 1998 Received: from imo22.mx.aol.com (imo22.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.66]) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) with ESMTP id KAA11878 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 10:16:35 -0400 From: GRAIGORY2@aol.com Received: from GRAIGORY2@aol.com by imo22.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id CBZSa22759 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 10:14:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <6734fc30.362f3dd1@aol.com> Old-Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 10:14:41 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Loopers Delight List Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 226 X-Diagnostic: undecipherable, help sent X-Envelope-To: Loopers-Delight Does anyone know how I can change my subscription to this list, into a digest version? From ???@??? Sat Oct 24 20:41:28 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id KAA28459; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 10:53:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 10:53:18 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <362F42F7.3A81@mdbs.com> Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 09:36:39 -0500 From: "Dennis W. Leas" X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win95; U) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Visual interest in music References: <19981021202318.27714.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"yfXKe3.0.as4.G9qBs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2341 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com John Price wrote: > > >Dpcoffin@aol.com wrote: > >> > >> In a message dated 10/20/98 2:21:50 PM, you wrote: > >> > >> < on-stage > >> display of semi-rhythmic enthusiasm, I prefer that all the musicians > be > >> cute, between the ages of 19 and 29, and outfitted in the latest > youth > >> fashions.>> > >> > >> Or would you perhaps prefer your audience to be blindfolded? > > > >Sounds intriguing! I like it! ;) > > > >- Dennis Leas > >-- > >dennis@mdbs.com > > > > > > I tend to think the visual aspect of performance is very important and > can be as stimulating and as integral to a performance just as much as > musical skill, gear, presentation and arrangment/placement of sound > matters. I totally agree (please note the "smiley in my message above). To me, this is an important aspect that distinguishes live music from recorded music. For what I'm trying to accomplish, the thing is not just the sound. I have two "rules" for my looper performances: 1) No pre-recorded sounds, including samples. 2) Only "natural" instruments, i.e., no synthesizers. I believe that by adhereing to these rules, the performance is more interesting (and accessable) to the audience. - Dennis Leas -- dennis@mdbs.com From ???@??? Sat Oct 24 20:41:32 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id LAA01322; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 11:23:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 11:23:08 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <362F4894.CD7AB37@bway.net> Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 11:00:37 -0400 From: Matthew Pierce X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Software Mac Looper References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"pSrK52.0.Gt7.vdqBs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2342 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com YOU ARE GOD! All mac users really ought to check this out.... what a piece of work, Awww, What about a software looper for us pc folks? Dear God... MP From ???@??? Sat Oct 24 20:41:34 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id LAA07512; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 11:56:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 11:56:00 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Reply-To: From: "Javier Miranda V." To: Subject: RE: EDP Group Purchase: I got mine! Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 08:28:18 -0700 Message-ID: <000b01bdfdd0$97fff1c0$36ceefd1@electra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <199810211205.IAA02501@ulster.net> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"feE6T1.0.Wb.EzqBs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2343 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Likewise here regarding tips and tricks. I find the "Multiply" button most intriguing. Let's compile some tips and tricks. | -----Original Message----- | From: evening [mailto:evening@ulster.net] | Sent: Wednesday 21 October 1998 6:05 AM | To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com | Subject: EDP Group Purchase: I got mine! | | | YES! | | Ok - I ordered it a week ago, a few days before this group deal got | started - at a higher price than was quoted for the group buy, but the | price was adjusted accordingly. Gibson is right-on with it's delivery | time. | | The people at Alto are pleased & amazed at the response. they've got 6 | solid orders and have rec'd lots of calls from loopers who are "gettin' | it together" cash-wise. | | Hopefully everyone will have their loopers soon and we can get down to | the business of music, bringing the list back to a "normal" state. | | I'm going to spend the day digging into the EDP. If anyone has | suggestions/tips/trick/techniques regarding the use of the EDP I'd love | to hear 'em. | | jmw | | From ???@??? Sat Oct 24 20:41:37 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id MAA11279; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 12:12:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 12:12:27 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Reply-To: From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: Subject: RE: Software Mac Looper Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 08:44:03 -0700 Message-ID: <000401bdfdd2$cc701960$c532dacf@stepheng> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <362F4894.CD7AB37@bway.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Resent-Message-ID: <"ZnJQE3.0.HS1.ICrBs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2344 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I could say something technically scatological, but I'll be good this time... :) Matthew Pierce [mailto:seedmuse@bway.net] proclaimed: > YOU ARE GOD! All mac users really ought to check this out.... Well, mostly good. :) What sort of files does Ken's player use? Stephen GoodmanÊ -Ê It's... The Loop Of The Week! EarthLight StudiosÊ -Ê http://www.earthlight.net/Studios From ???@??? Sat Oct 24 20:43:14 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id SAA13103; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 18:01:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 18:01:17 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: M3chakucha@aol.com Message-ID: <1a762d9.362fa6b4@aol.com> Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 17:42:12 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: free improv/looping/composition Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Resent-Message-ID: <"J3-Ix3.0.5a2.YVwBs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2345 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 10/21/98 6:52:28 PM Eastern Daylight Time, LiebigSA@Maritz.com writes: << Liebig >> Dear all, I concur with Herr Liebig on this one, though I tend to use a few other instruments and then construct layers using switch-stomp boxes and essentially any instruments I can get my hands upon, so yes, typically I am a one-man band vs. being a band member. The "Looping" was done on an old "tape" echoplex that has recently died, so it looks like the "Rang" might be the way to go, vs. the EDH, at least I found the "Rang" far easier to control, and I really liked the reverse sound. It does a better job than my other analogue Yamaha rack mount, so I'll have to scrounge the money up for it, eh? Like any device it can be used in any number of ways, it could be used like Andy Summers as a back drop to play over, much like Marillion and/or David Orton's music (which was really pretty, by the by...) Or you could improv over a loop and change the loops like what was done by Gary Lucas of Capt. Beafheart or that of the groups Ozric Tentacles and Eat Static. Computer based looping is really getting more towards the industrial side of things, especially considering that a drum machine is pretty much nothing more than a sequencer, thus providing the same function on the synthesizer side. Like the good old days of Tangerine Dream and Kraftwerk. Maybe its me, but I just don't feel that there's really a right way or a wrong way to write music, it all gets down to the audience and what they enjoy hearing, after all, you wouldn't want to be playing Aura (by Miles Davis) inspired music to people that are really wanting to hear Les Paul (country). Have fun out there! Lee-ohki. "Vi Viri Venivirsium Vivius Vicci" From ???@??? Sat Oct 24 20:43:58 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id UAA32614; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 20:06:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 20:06:35 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <362FD450.CE33D62A@tstar.net> Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 18:57:00 -0600 From: Matthew Turner Organization: Anathema Enterprises X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 (Macintosh; U; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: nyfac2@nyfac.com CC: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Visual interest in music X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <362DF9FD.3C74@mdbs.com> <362DD86B.73C77966@nyfac.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Hj1Ck1.0.GQ7.0JyBs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2346 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Trevor D. Bajus, purveyor of the new rock wrote: > Dennis W. Leas wrote: > > > Dpcoffin@aol.com wrote: > > > > > > In a message dated 10/20/98 2:21:50 PM, you wrote: > > > > > > < on-stage > > > display of semi-rhythmic enthusiasm, I prefer that all the > musicians be > > > cute, between the ages of 19 and 29, and outfitted in the latest > youth > > > fashions.>> > > > > > > Or would you perhaps prefer your audience to be blindfolded? > > > > Sounds intriguing! I like it! ;) > > But then they would miss me breakdancing and doing the robot. > > -- > Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately > explained by stupidity. You can do the robot? I had a dream about little Gary Coleman doing the robot a long time ago. Had something to do with a guy named J.R.R Churchill McTimehitler. He had two ElectroHarmonix 16-second delay pedals under each arm, so yeah, this has everything to do with this list. From ???@??? Sat Oct 24 20:43:57 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id UAA00459; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 20:10:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 20:10:25 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: kmistove@mail.eclipse.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 20:00:43 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Ken Mistove Subject: Sometimes God Responds - (Mac software looper) Resent-Message-ID: <"CxGs-.0.fm7.TTyBs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2347 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi all, The past day's e-mail has been interesting. I'll try to address all the questions in one single response... >From Rob Monn: >YOU ARE GOD! I d/l'ed your looper and MSP runtime and it worked like a >charm -- 4 60-second loopers at one time. I have one request. could you >do a lite version requiring half the ram with two 60-sec loopers? Only a >request, but it would allow me to use my old powermac as a standalone >looper unit. It's tough being a Supreme Being... Seriously, I'm glad you have found the software to be of good use. I added a "lite" version of the patcher to the archive file on my homepage. It has two delay lines of 60 seconds each and requires 24MB RAM. You can grab it now... >wow. with tap tempo my mind would be blown. Very possible...updates are in the works. >the latency is crazy low, too. what a dream. That's all the work of MSP's author, David Zicarreli. *********** >From Todd Madson (God for a short time): >Hi: regarding your software looper. Do I need to have Opcode Max to make >it work? If so, what version? Or, do I need the MSP extensions to make >Max to figure out the audio portions of things? Or, do I just need the >MSP extensions by themselves? All that is required is the runtime version of MSP available from http://www.cycling74.com/. This is the free version of MSP. You can't edit or create patchers with this version however. If you want to create your own or edit other patchers, you need Max 3.5.9 and MSP (currently at release 5). That's a big chunk of money, but well worth it. I believe David Z has worked out a deal with Opcode to distribute Max and MSP together in the near future. You'll have to check his site for details. ************* >From Jason Lescalleet: >Anyone know of any good PC software for looping? The good news: Max and MSP are officially being ported over to Windows. The bad news: It's scheduled for late 1999. ************** >From Matthew Pierce: >Awww, What about a software looper for us pc folks? > >Dear God... See above response to Jason... ************** >From Stephen Goodman: >What sort of files does Ken's player use? It can output SDII and AIFF files. Currently there is no support for reading from a file. It is an easy thing to add though. Which leads to: This little looper I wrote was and is an easy project. I am very open to suggestions. Please write me with features you would like added. As always "Procrastination" will remain freeware. It's my little gift to the looper community. Have fun! Ken My music and other stuff: http://www.eclipse.net/~kmistove/ King Crimson music (Elephant Tape): http://www.geocities.com/~kenzak/etape/ From ???@??? Sat Oct 24 20:44:13 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id WAA18720; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 22:05:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 22:05:32 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <362FDF16.11EDD6A5@bellsouth.net> Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 21:42:47 -0400 From: Jeff Duke X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.07 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Sometimes God Responds - (Mac software looper) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"8jM433.0.Pr3.V_zBs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2348 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Ken, Is there going to be an, arrgh, pc version anytime soon? Is this the program you did Partched on? I still listen to that. thanks on an ongoing basis for always being around. Jeff Ken Mistove wrote: > Hi all, > > The past day's e-mail has been interesting. I'll try to address all the > questions in one single response... > > >From Rob Monn: > > >YOU ARE GOD! I d/l'ed your looper and MSP runtime and it worked like a > >charm -- 4 60-second loopers at one time. I have one request. could you > >do a lite version requiring half the ram with two 60-sec loopers? Only a > >request, but it would allow me to use my old powermac as a standalone > >looper unit. > > It's tough being a Supreme Being... Seriously, I'm glad you have found the > software to be of good use. > > I added a "lite" version of the patcher to the archive file on my homepage. > It has two delay lines of 60 seconds each and requires 24MB RAM. You can > grab it now... > > >wow. with tap tempo my mind would be blown. > > Very possible...updates are in the works. > > >the latency is crazy low, too. what a dream. > > That's all the work of MSP's author, David Zicarreli. > > *********** > > >From Todd Madson (God for a short time): > > >Hi: regarding your software looper. Do I need to have Opcode Max to make > >it work? If so, what version? Or, do I need the MSP extensions to make > >Max to figure out the audio portions of things? Or, do I just need the > >MSP extensions by themselves? > > All that is required is the runtime version of MSP available from > http://www.cycling74.com/. This is the free version of MSP. You can't edit > or create patchers with this version however. > > If you want to create your own or edit other patchers, you need Max 3.5.9 > and MSP (currently at release 5). That's a big chunk of money, but well > worth it. I believe David Z has worked out a deal with Opcode to distribute > Max and MSP together in the near future. You'll have to check his site for > details. > > ************* > > >From Jason Lescalleet: > > >Anyone know of any good PC software for looping? > > The good news: Max and MSP are officially being ported over to Windows. > > The bad news: It's scheduled for late 1999. > > ************** > > >From Matthew Pierce: > > >Awww, What about a software looper for us pc folks? > > > >Dear God... > > See above response to Jason... > > ************** > > >From Stephen Goodman: > > >What sort of files does Ken's player use? > > It can output SDII and AIFF files. Currently there is no support for > reading from a file. It is an easy thing to add though. > > Which leads to: > > This little looper I wrote was and is an easy project. I am very open to > suggestions. Please write me with features you would like added. As always > "Procrastination" will remain freeware. It's my little gift to the looper > community. > > Have fun! > > Ken > > My music and other stuff: > http://www.eclipse.net/~kmistove/ > > King Crimson music (Elephant Tape): > http://www.geocities.com/~kenzak/etape/ From ???@??? Sat Oct 24 20:44:38 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id HAA00700; Fri, 23 Oct 1998 07:05:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 07:05:02 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <06cc01bdfe72$0134b440$c5b854ce@mark.asisoftware.com> From: Mark@asisoftware.com (Mark Kata) To: Subject: Re: free improv/looping/composition Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 06:43:43 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"8U46k1.0.2u7.wp5Cs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2351 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >Kim asked about the improv discussion and how it related to the topic of >looping. Maybe this will be more on topic . . . I like Henry Kaiser's description of free improvisation. He says that when you improvise freely, you create your own structure. Granted, the results can sometimes be tedious to listen to. However, I find that looping imposes the structure of time (the loop length) on my free improvisations. Thus making them somewhat less tedious for listeners who are unacquainted with free improvisation (especially those whose only contact with music is what they hear on TV and radio). The loop lets them hear the improvisation several times so that they can decide whether it appeals to them or not. For example, my wife and kids find my non-looping free improvisations to be annoying noise. However, when I loop a free improvisation, they sometimes (!) find it cool (or at least, a mildly irritating). Mark Kata Mark@asisoftware.com From ???@??? Sat Oct 24 20:46:11 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id MAA28087; Fri, 23 Oct 1998 12:15:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 12:15:29 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 12:01:34 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re:Re: Information on contact microphones Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 171 Resent-Message-ID: <"k0hlw1.0.0a5.EZACs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2352 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 21/10/98 15:28:10 GMT, you write: << >Use an old pair of broken walkman headphones. As a contact mic? Wanna elaborate? -Jesse >> That's right, a loudspeaker and a dynamic mic are essentially identical in operation, they're just used in opposite directions. A walkman headphone contains 2 tiny loudspeakers. Also a 'contact microphone' is (essentially) only an 'ordinary' microphone which is placed in contact with something. ........and .......quite often walkman headphones use screened cable (for looks). ........and........they're not too big. So basically a walkman headphone is two contact mics. ......Try it. Andy Butler From ???@??? Sat Oct 24 20:45:00 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id MAA12035; Fri, 23 Oct 1998 12:53:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 12:53:28 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 09:27:49 -0700 Message-ID: <0014099B.C21407@wj.com> From: Mike.Biffle@wj.com (Mike Biffle) Subject: Re[3]: Information on contact microphones To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, SoundFNR@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Resent-Message-ID: <"KuKeL1.0.FL1.-3BCs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2354 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Andy Butler... >>> Use an old pair of broken walkman headphones. Jesse... >> As a contact mic? Wanna elaborate? Andy... > That's right, a loudspeaker and a dynamic mic are essentially identical in > operation, they're just used in opposite directions... If they're broken as a loudspeaker, why would they work as a mic? -miko From ???@??? Sat Oct 24 20:44:59 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id MAA10573; Fri, 23 Oct 1998 12:50:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 12:50:03 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: From: David Kirkdorffer To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: The story of our age? Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 12:31:04 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"rTYbx3.0.A-.61BCs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2353 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Questions to all loopers: If music (& other artistic expressions) reflect interests and -- if you will -- the "story" of a generation or of an age -- 1) then what is the "story" of our age? 2) what are examples of music today depicting today's story? I'm really curious to read what you guys think. david kirkdorffer UNDO From ???@??? Sat Oct 24 20:46:14 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id NAA00627; Fri, 23 Oct 1998 13:31:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 13:31:11 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <001901bdfea7$db4ea5c0$4573b6cf@aheld> From: "Andrew H. Held" To: , Subject: Re: Re[3]: Information on contact microphones Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 10:09:07 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"awKQj.0.A95.VYBCs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2355 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I think he means a pair with a broken chassis, not a broken diaphragm. btw, good old Sony V6's give an excellent 'low-budget' feel when used as a mic. -andrew -----Original Message----- From: Mike Biffle To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com ; SoundFNR@aol.com Date: Friday, October 23, 1998 9:58 AM Subject: Re[3]: Information on contact microphones >Andy Butler... >>>> Use an old pair of broken walkman headphones. > >Jesse... >>> As a contact mic? Wanna elaborate? > >Andy... >> That's right, a loudspeaker and a dynamic mic are essentially identical in >> operation, they're just used in opposite directions... > >If they're broken as a loudspeaker, why would they work as a mic? > >-miko > > From ???@??? Sat Oct 24 20:46:13 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id NAA04821; Fri, 23 Oct 1998 13:38:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 13:38:34 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 10:24:33 -0700 From: "Duncan Henderson" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sent-Mail: off X-Mailer: MailCity Service Subject: hmmm where is the mic... X-Sender-Ip: 194.192.100.90 Organization: IGNMail (http://www.ignmail.com:80) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"bN9Xn2.0.uW7.OnBCs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2356 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com -- On Fri, 23 Oct 1998 10:09:07 Andrew H. Held wrote: >I think he means a pair with a broken chassis, not a broken diaphragm. btw, >good old Sony V6's give an excellent 'low-budget' feel when used as a mic. > >-andrew >-----Original Message----- >From: Mike Biffle >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com ; >SoundFNR@aol.com >Date: Friday, October 23, 1998 9:58 AM >Subject: Re[3]: Information on contact microphones > > >>Andy Butler... >>>>> Use an old pair of broken walkman headphones. >> >>Jesse... >>>> As a contact mic? Wanna elaborate? >> >>Andy... >>> That's right, a loudspeaker and a dynamic mic are essentially identical >in >>> operation, they're just used in opposite directions... >> >>If they're broken as a loudspeaker, why would they work as a mic? >> >>-miko >> >> hehe thats cool dude....im from Denmark... soo our jokes will rub of:) > > IGNMail, the coolest free e-mail on the planet, tells people that you are a hardcore gamer. Get your free account at http://www.ignmail.com today! From ???@??? Sat Oct 24 20:46:19 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id WAA29796; Fri, 23 Oct 1998 22:53:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 22:53:12 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 21:10:55 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: patrick@his.com (Patrick Smith) Subject: Re: some loop content Resent-Message-ID: <"La4uM1.0.yn5.eyJCs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2372 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com On 10/23/98 Jeff Duke said: >Does anybody have any info on getting a Fernandes >guitar? I have lists of dealers in the area but >they don't have them in stock( ever). ..... ETC Hey Jeff, I'm going through the same thing. I did get to play one with a sustainer in it at a store in Gaithesburg, MD. But the salesman said no way to brigning in a few of the same model to try out, unless I wanted to pay return shipping on those I did not buy. I've called a few places locally that are listed as dealers to no avail. However the one store is probably going to bring in one of the model I'm interested in with a sustainer, knowing that they have a serious interest. You might try that approach. BTW Steev said the Shockwave files are working again. Patrick Now Available: FingerPaint Primary Colors: BLUE "can be edgy and intense as well as relaxing...." FAQT Shockwave audio featuring our newest release Primary Colors:Blue www.fingerpaint.net From ???@??? Sat Oct 24 20:46:20 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id WAA00701; Fri, 23 Oct 1998 22:59:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 22:59:23 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 21:14:35 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: patrick@his.com (Patrick Smith) Subject: Hey YUGGIES!!! Resent-Message-ID: <"BVvIX1.0.pB6.40KCs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2373 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com i was just sitting here looking at all the titles in my e-mail box about the Story of oUr Age and I realized that we here on Looper's Delight represent a part of that story. We are the YUGGIES: Young Urban Gearheads!!!!! You heard it hear first! Peace, Patrick Now Available: FingerPaint Primary Colors: BLUE "can be edgy and intense as well as relaxing...." FAQT Shockwave audio featuring our newest release Primary Colors:Blue www.fingerpaint.net From ???@??? Sat Oct 24 20:45:14 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id RAA14220; Fri, 23 Oct 1998 17:02:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 17:02:10 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: PJBMHB@aol.com Message-ID: <298c898a.3630e77f@aol.com> Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 16:30:55 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: free improv/looping/composition Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 41 Resent-Message-ID: <"nYybd.0.z4.3WECs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2357 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com mild irritation. isn't that what makes the world go round? 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Sat Oct 24 20:45:15 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id RAA16856; Fri, 23 Oct 1998 17:05:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 17:05:13 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: PJBMHB@aol.com Message-ID: <482b30c.3630e83e@aol.com> Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 16:34:06 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Re[3]: Information on contact microphones Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 41 Resent-Message-ID: <"bVHt3.0.zb.vZECs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2358 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com i used to use an old earphone as a really cool harmonica mic. it would distort the harmonica for that down home bluesy sound. it worked because only one of the earphones was broken. i used the unbroken one for the mic. speakers can be microphones and mics can be speakers. what will receive will also send and vice verce (sp?). PJ From ???@??? Sat Oct 24 20:45:18 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id RAA00082; Fri, 23 Oct 1998 17:34:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 17:34:42 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3630F115.E9AFA173@jps.net> Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 14:11:49 -0700 From: Roland Eberle X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Subject: For those with more money than sense... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"oBgDs.0.Lj5.N7FCs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2359 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Asking Price: US$485 Condition: Mint Age: N/A Description: Lexicon JamMan with full complement of memory. Gives 32 seconds of sampling, looping and echo. Great Lexicon quality. Tap tempo and additional levels of dlay control. Includes footswitch, shipping and insurance within the lower 48 states. Other locations negotiable. Willing to entertain reasonable cash offers. Low ballers will be scoffed at. Cheers -> Rik Seller: Dr Rico, E-mail: zanga@mindspring.com Location: MIAMI, FL Post Date: 10/23/98 From ???@??? Sat Oct 24 20:45:24 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id SAA12813; Fri, 23 Oct 1998 18:02:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 18:02:42 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: M3chakucha@aol.com Message-ID: <1b3fa046.3630f6a1@aol.com> Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 17:35:29 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: The story of our age? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Resent-Message-ID: <"QarPE3.0.VN.qSFCs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2360 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >Questions to all loopers: > >If music (& other artistic expressions) reflect interests and -- if you will >-- the "story" of a generation or of an age -- > >1) then what is the "story" of our age? >2) what are examples of music today depicting today's story? > >I'm really curious to read what you guys think. > >david kirkdorffer >UNDO Dear Kirk, I hate to say it, but that's really a very subjective question that will have as many varying answers as there are people who are responding to them... The story of our age could be set upon the backdrop of decadence or disillusionment, just as there are a few groups whose music touches upon the hope that tomorrow will be better. Again it is really what you listen to musically, theatrically or socially. I'm not hip on the classical, country and rap scenes (not to mention all the other populiar music that exists in the world). Personally, I prefer the "art rock", "acid, fusion, small ensemble jazz", "world music" (folk and/or religious, and yes, it is due to Peter Gabriel) and the occasional bit of Japanese populiar music due to anime. With such a tiny sampling, there are still a multiple of view points going on... Marillion, Rush, Genesis, Pink Floyd, and Fish all have differing perspectives on daily life and then more so on broader based issues going on within the world, but for the most part they all have the same thing to say concerning society, and that people are really very alone, and have forgotten how to reach out and say, "hellay there!" Something about a multitude of failed relationships, which may or may not have had problems to start of with. In some cases the computer has become the surrogate society even though it is nothing more than a tool! Not to misquote the Crow, but the idea has been forgotten by the institution. I don't tend to write lyrics myself, mostly because my voice would make a raven squawk! My ideas are usually based upon a groove provided by a multitude of different instruments (mostly strings ranging from hammered dulcimers to electric guitars, I even used a vina once) and have them either sampled or recorded via a "looping device" to then be modified or left on a near infinite loop until another wave or movement comes to mind. (Didn't think that I'd mention anything relative to the forum, eh?) My tendency is to play to my emotions rather than a particular story or thought. Sometimes it is completely happy and bubbly. Other times, I can be a little manic or even depressed, but such is life and the changes in audiences... So, to answer your question on a personal level, I would have to say that the story of our age as seen through my eyes is one of delirium wrought by intricacy under the facade of order. Hope this helps you out. Lee-ohki. From ???@??? Sat Oct 24 20:45:22 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id SAA11893; Fri, 23 Oct 1998 18:00:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 18:00:47 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Paolo Valladolid Message-Id: <199810232141.OAA06400@waynesworld.ucsd.edu> Subject: Re: Recordings..turns into loops with variation To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 14:41:31 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <199810161821_MC2-5CEF-6672@compuserve.com> from "Andreas Willers" at Oct 16, 98 06:20:58 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"CW3QS3.0.5v.RXFCs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2361 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > I'm just listening to a recording called 'Tango & Company' (on > JazzHausMusik / North County) by Henning Berg (tb) & John Taylor (p). The= > y > are doing improvisations with an interactive computer program by Henning > that is being fed by mike-to-midi and a midi grand piano. They can make > 'tango' (as it is called) respond to their input in differnet ways (it ca= > n > build loops!) and playback stuff via midi/synths etc. > > BTW, I heard (trombonist) George Lewis is developing things in a similar > direction - anyone knows more? Late reply here... George uses custom interactive music software which he calls "Voyager". He wrote it in Forth. He runs it on a PowerBook. I think he uses the voice-to-MIDI function on a Roland VP70 to convert his trombone playing. Voyager is not loop-specific, though it may occasionally do it by accident. It is designed to be a full partner to its human counterpart in the improvisation process. George has a cd entitled _Voyager_ on John Zorn's Avant label which devoted to Voyager. Cheers, Paolo Valladolid --------------------------------------------------------------- |Moderator of Digital Guitar Digest, an Internet mailing list |\ |for Music Technology and Stringed Instruments | \ ---------------------------------------------------------------- | \ To subscribe, go to the web page below (do not email me): \ | \ http://waynesworld.ucsd.edu/DigitalGuitar/home.html \| ----------------------------------------------------------------- From ???@??? Sat Oct 24 20:45:25 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id SAA16007; Fri, 23 Oct 1998 18:08:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 18:08:26 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Crossedout@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 17:42:22 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Re[3]: Information on contact microphones Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Resent-Message-ID: <"h0DTF.0.V31.fYFCs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2362 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 10/23/98 11:52:24 AM Central Daylight Time, Mike.Biffle@wj.com writes: << >>> Use an old pair of broken walkman headphones. If they're broken as a loudspeaker, why would they work as a mic? >> I think he was referring to headphones with working speakers but a broken frame. - Crossedout@aol.com From ???@??? Sat Oct 24 20:45:30 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id SAA03950; Fri, 23 Oct 1998 18:51:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 18:51:52 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <2148EC143F29D1118BE000805FC13CD06E9804@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: The story of our age? Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 17:13:21 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Resent-Message-ID: <"bpAeN2.0.fu4.W_FCs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2364 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > 1) then what is the "story" of our age? > fragmentation and information overload (option anxiety, right Andreas?) . . . > 2) what are examples of music today depicting today's story? > there are many many many many . . . and then it seems that there are instances of it all just being circular with very little real growth. but maybe I'm just having a bad hair day . . . stig From ???@??? Sat Oct 24 20:45:27 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id SAA28957; Fri, 23 Oct 1998 18:34:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 18:34:23 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <009e01bdfed2$f4175900$3c4a8581@jkudler.stu.wesleyan.edu> From: "Jesse Kudler" To: Subject: Re: Re:Re: Information on contact microphones Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 18:17:42 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Resent-Message-ID: <"d3vsf3.0.de4.5-FCs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2363 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I knew that a speaker and a mic were basically the same thing reversed, but isn't a contact mic different from a dynamic mic? Contact mics don't pick up sounds, they pick up vibrations. That's why they have to be touching the mic'ed object and why they can't feed back. -Jesse >That's right, a loudspeaker and a dynamic mic are essentially identical in >operation, >they're just used in opposite directions. >A walkman headphone contains 2 tiny loudspeakers. >Also a 'contact microphone' is (essentially) only an 'ordinary' microphone >which >is placed in contact with something. >........and .......quite often walkman headphones use screened cable (for >looks). >........and........they're not too big. > >So basically a walkman headphone is two contact mics. >......Try it. > Andy Butler > > From ???@??? Sat Oct 24 20:45:40 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id TAA09067; Fri, 23 Oct 1998 19:03:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 19:03:47 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 15:26:46 -0700 Message-ID: <00140FEC.C21407@wj.com> From: Mike.Biffle@wj.com (Mike Biffle) Subject: The story of our age? (find the loop...) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, M3chakucha@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Resent-Message-ID: <"zIhuN3.0.RT7.qKGCs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2365 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Pulled underneath By a strong undertow Light flickers down To a shimmering Green world below... Pulled to the ground By the powers that be At last giving in To a power much greater than me... Light gently streams Through the trees To the ground The passage of life Moving on Never making a sound... The leaves Gently fall >From the trees To the ground The passage of life Rushing by Never making a sound... Lost in a world With no one to believe Faint memories Of a life That I used to lead We put on our masks And we go to the show Never knowing quite why As we move Through the world down below The leaves Gently fall >From the trees To the ground The passage of life Rushing by Never making a sound... This has to be as related to looping as the vast majority of stuff I'm seeing posted here... Hope it was meaningful in some way... -miko From ???@??? Sat Oct 24 20:45:44 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id TAA14456; Fri, 23 Oct 1998 19:16:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 19:16:37 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: cbm@mail.well.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <009e01bdfed2$f4175900$3c4a8581@jkudler.stu.wesleyan.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 15:51:32 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Chris Muir Subject: Re: Re:Re: Information on contact microphones Resent-Message-ID: <"g-AqF1.0.G51.6ZGCs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2366 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 3:17 PM -0700 10/23/98, Jesse Kudler wrote: >I knew that a speaker and a mic were basically the same thing reversed, but >isn't a contact mic different from a dynamic mic? Contact mics don't pick >up sounds, they pick up vibrations. That's why they have to be touching the >mic'ed object and why they can't feed back. Sure they can feedback, no problem. All you need is enough gain in the circuit. For example, a contact mic placed on an acoustic guitar is quite prone to feedback. The surface that it is on (the top of a guitar) resonates pretty freely. If the gain through the system is enough to ensure that the vibration induced in the top (from a speaker reproducing an initial stimulus picked up through a contact mic) gets re-introduced into the system (re-picked up by the contact mic) at a greater level than the initial stimulus you get feedback. Chris _____________________________________________________ Chris Muir | The Web Comes Alive With Music: cbm@headspace.com | http://www.headspace.com/beatnik From ???@??? Sat Oct 24 20:45:50 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id TAA14546; Fri, 23 Oct 1998 19:16:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 19:16:47 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <36310B47.5E7C676C@bellsouth.net> Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 19:03:35 -0400 From: Jeff Duke X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.07 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Information on contact microphones References: <009e01bdfed2$f4175900$3c4a8581@jkudler.stu.wesleyan.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"1lr1z.0.yI2.-jGCs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2367 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sound is nothing but vibrations so same thing only different. I remember that my bro' Randy made a talk box type of contraption using a small speaker as a mic. Thats the first I new of the mic -speaker duality. Damn , he made that 20+ years ago it seems, Jeff Age doesn't creep upon you it just happens. R.R. Duke Jesse Kudler wrote: > I knew that a speaker and a mic were basically the same thing reversed, but > isn't a contact mic different from a dynamic mic? Contact mics don't pick > up sounds, they pick up vibrations. That's why they have to be touching the > mic'ed object and why they can't feed back. > > -Jesse > > >That's right, a loudspeaker and a dynamic mic are essentially identical in > >operation, > >they're just used in opposite directions. > >A walkman headphone contains 2 tiny loudspeakers. > >Also a 'contact microphone' is (essentially) only an 'ordinary' microphone > >which > >is placed in contact with something. > >........and .......quite often walkman headphones use screened cable (for > >looks). > >........and........they're not too big. > > > >So basically a walkman headphone is two contact mics. > >......Try it. > > Andy Butler > > > > From ???@??? Sat Oct 24 20:45:58 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id UAA02742; Fri, 23 Oct 1998 20:01:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 20:01:36 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <36311395.BE9EC165@bellsouth.net> Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 19:39:02 -0400 From: Jeff Duke X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.07 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: The story of our age? (find the loop...) References: <00140FEC.C21407@wj.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"rkhWV2.0.PJ6.DFHCs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2368 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I am still reading it over, and well you know over. The ultimate loop cycle it seems is life. Now that I look back after three kids that magicly grew up and now show me the way frequently I feel a part of a very long loop indeed. thanks for that, Jeff Mike Biffle wrote: > Pulled underneath > By a strong undertow > Light flickers down > To a shimmering > Green world below... > > Pulled to the ground > By the powers that be > At last giving in > To a power much greater than me... > > Light gently streams > Through the trees > To the ground > The passage of life > Moving on > Never making a sound... > > The leaves > Gently fall > >From the trees > To the ground > The passage of life > Rushing by > Never making a sound... > > Lost in a world > With no one to believe > Faint memories > Of a life > That I used to lead > > We put on our masks > And we go to the show > Never knowing quite why > As we move > Through the world down below > > The leaves > Gently fall > >From the trees > To the ground > The passage of life > Rushing by > Never making a sound... > > This has to be as related to looping as the vast majority of stuff I'm > seeing posted here... Hope it was meaningful in some way... > > -miko From ???@??? Sat Oct 24 20:46:07 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id UAA31341; Fri, 23 Oct 1998 20:52:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 20:52:55 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <36312060.932FE1C9@worldnet.att.net> Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 20:33:36 -0400 From: Jason Lescalleet Organization: DisorganizatioN X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5b2 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Information on contact microphones References: <009e01bdfed2$f4175900$3c4a8581@jkudler.stu.wesleyan.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"V3K053.0.I75.K3ICs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2369 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Jesse Kudler wrote: > I knew that a speaker and a mic were basically the same thing reversed, but > isn't a contact mic different from a dynamic mic? Contact mics don't pick > up sounds, they pick up vibrations. That's why they have to be touching the > mic'ed object and why they can't feed back. don't be so sure about that. they can feedback, just not as easily. i don't know how you plan to use them, i just didn't want you to think they were perfect. From ???@??? Sat Oct 24 20:46:08 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id UAA00177; Fri, 23 Oct 1998 20:55:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 20:55:51 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Collins" To: Subject: Re: On the off chance . . . Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 20:34:41 -0400 Message-ID: <01bdfee6$1706d9a0$411bbfa8@0QHC6SIA> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"zIjJO2.0.Ga5.r5ICs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2370 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > >Thanks so much for your quick response. I hadn't found that link to the >MELA foundation, and it looks useful. However, they don't sell the >recording of the 'Second Dream'. Grammavision is distributed by Rykodisc, >and they list La Monte Young as one of their artists, but don't currently >have anything in their catalog by him. So . . . dead end. > >The Stockhausen I was referring to is fully titled, "Konkrete und >Electronische Musik". It's the one with 'Gesange der Junglinge' on it. It >was originally on the Stockhausen label. Actually, I am just looking for a >recording of that piece, so if you know of somewhere else . . . > http://www.stockhausen.org/ http://www.iffrotterdam.nl/FFR/96/cat/page/get/f00691a.shtml either one of these sites should help if you haven't already gone to them. hope this helps. what all kinds of other music/composers do you like? Jeff >Again, thanks for the effort. > >Aden > >>you can get La Monte Young's second dream "brass ensemble" through >>Grammovision. Or go to... >>http://www.virtulink.com/mela/MAIN.HTM >>and you just may be able to get ahold of the original. >> >>About Stockhausen, was that supposed to be Kontakte? For i do have that >>also. >>Jeff Collins > > > From ???@??? Sat Oct 24 20:46:15 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id VAA23404; Fri, 23 Oct 1998 21:46:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 21:46:37 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <36312DDF.68325CEA@bellsouth.net> Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 21:31:12 -0400 From: Jeff Duke X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.07 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Subject: some loop content Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"jAs3V3.0.Hr3.LuICs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2371 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Does anybody have any info on getting a Fernandes guitar? I have lists of dealers in the area but they don't have them in stock( ever). It seems that to try one is to give a 50% down payment and order one! I suppose thats reasonable given that its a niche market for guitars that go *SPLANG EEEEEEEEEEEE.......etc* ad nausium, perhaps, but I think I want one, I think 6 e- bows at the same time might be really cool. They don't do mail order direct. Oh , well, this guitar ( if I get one) and EDP (loop content) should hold me for a while. Jeff http://members.xoom.com/echo17/tbl.html From ???@??? Sat Oct 24 20:46:22 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id XAA14519; Fri, 23 Oct 1998 23:24:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 23:24:29 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <363144E5.97B3731@bellsouth.net> Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 23:09:26 -0400 From: Jeff Duke X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.07 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: some loop content References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"EMiYn.0.uo1.QKKCs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2375 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thanks Patrick, I'll redouble my efforts. BTW what model are you interested in? Jeff Patrick Smith wrote: > On 10/23/98 Jeff Duke said: > >Does anybody have any info on getting a Fernandes > >guitar? I have lists of dealers in the area but > >they don't have them in stock( ever). ..... ETC > > Hey Jeff, > > I'm going through the same thing. I did get to play one with a sustainer in > it at a store in Gaithesburg, MD. But the salesman said no way to brigning > in a few of the same model to try out, unless I wanted to pay return > shipping on those I did not buy. I've called a few places locally that are > listed as dealers to no avail. However the one store is probably going to > bring in one of the model I'm interested in with a sustainer, knowing that > they have a serious interest. You might try that approach. > > BTW Steev said the Shockwave files are working again. > > Patrick > > Now Available: > FingerPaint Primary Colors: BLUE > > "can be edgy and intense as well as relaxing...." FAQT > > Shockwave audio featuring our newest release Primary Colors:Blue > > www.fingerpaint.net From ???@??? Sat Oct 24 20:46:30 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id AAA02149; Sat, 24 Oct 1998 00:14:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 00:14:36 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Collins" To: Subject: Re: some loop content Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 23:52:35 -0400 Message-ID: <01bdff01$bc6dbb00$ee1bbfa8@0QHC6SIA> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"v2pn3.0.pk6.v_KCs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2376 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com That's pretty funny about the sustainer bit. Fripp plays their guitars, Reeves Gabrels uses the sustainer. You CAN purchase their sustainer separately (as i found out in an issue of Japan's Young Guitar Mag.) but it is around $400.00 for it. It'd be better off to get the guitar and use the body for experimentation's. Call Fernandes and ask their help. Jeff Collins -----Original Message----- From: Rik Myers To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Friday, October 23, 1998 11:18 PM Subject: Re: some loop content > >>>Does anybody have any info on getting a Fernandes >>>guitar? I have lists of dealers in the area but >>>they don't have them in stock( ever). ..... ETC > >I've heard a couple sustainers that were ripped out of Fernandez gits and >wired into a strat and a Fly. Neither player wanted the Fernandez, just the >sustainer. ONe bought his new, sight unseen, because he wasn't going to use >the git. The other found a used Fernandez and robbed it for the part. Maybe >with heavy lobbying Fernandez would consider selling the sustainer >separately. For the time being, it appears that their policy is to make >people by their (not horrible) gits in order to get the sustainer. > >Anybody ever take one of these things apart? Know how it works? Could we >cobble one together? > >Rik > > From ???@??? Sat Oct 24 20:46:33 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id AAA03348; Sat, 24 Oct 1998 00:17:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 00:17:35 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <36315099.5BFAA2E0@bellsouth.net> Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 23:59:21 -0400 From: Jeff Duke X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.07 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: some loop content References: <3.0.5.32.19981023230513.007b9980@mindspring.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"QiseS3.0.f47.G3LCs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2377 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com yeah, and I hear that to buy the sustainor unit with mods on a guitfiddle is about the same price as the whole works. Frankly,I have been disappointed with the conversations with Fernandes reps. on the phone. I guess they are doing alright without me. Mayby a group buy? Not instigated by me. Jeff Rik Myers wrote: > >>Does anybody have any info on getting a Fernandes > >>guitar? I have lists of dealers in the area but > >>they don't have them in stock( ever). ..... ETC > > I've heard a couple sustainers that were ripped out of Fernandez gits and > wired into a strat and a Fly. Neither player wanted the Fernandez, just the > sustainer. ONe bought his new, sight unseen, because he wasn't going to use > the git. The other found a used Fernandez and robbed it for the part. Maybe > with heavy lobbying Fernandez would consider selling the sustainer > separately. For the time being, it appears that their policy is to make > people by their (not horrible) gits in order to get the sustainer. > > Anybody ever take one of these things apart? Know how it works? Could we > cobble one together? > > Rik From ???@??? Sat Oct 24 20:46:31 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id AAA04225; Sat, 24 Oct 1998 00:19:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 00:19:39 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Collins" To: Subject: Sustainers Date: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 00:00:32 -0400 Message-ID: <01bdff02$d8e44d20$ee1bbfa8@0QHC6SIA> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"BMAlH.0.8W7.B7LCs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2379 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I remember a while back we all discussed this problem that so many of us had. WELL...i also remember speaking of the principle of doing that with regular guitar pickups (using the neck as a driver to send the signal back out to the strings). I got a post from a fellow looper who told me that he already had the small amp made that you need to drive the pickup but he needed it rewound with twice thicker wire and 1/2 or so less turns... WELL it turns out that i do have some good wire that i would be willing to send to one of you who might know about doing such a thing...if you're up to the challenge. Let's all get happy!!! SUSTAIN FOR DAY'S!!! Sincerely, Jeff Collins PS. I'm about to check a favorite composer of mine and ask him about said thing...since he has already done this, Simply listen to Jim O'Rourke's disc "Remove The Need" on Extreme. From ???@??? Sat Oct 24 20:46:34 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id AAA06246; Sat, 24 Oct 1998 00:24:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 00:24:46 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <36315155.A93CE7A8@bellsouth.net> Date: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 00:02:29 -0400 From: Jeff Duke X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.07 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: some loop content References: <3.0.5.32.19981023230513.007b9980@mindspring.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"m7SjB2.0.UO7.96LCs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2378 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Anybody have info on what it takes to install a sustainor? Jeff Rik Myers wrote: > >>Does anybody have any info on getting a Fernandes > >>guitar? I have lists of dealers in the area but > >>they don't have them in stock( ever). ..... ETC > > I've heard a couple sustainers that were ripped out of Fernandez gits and > wired into a strat and a Fly. Neither player wanted the Fernandez, just the > sustainer. ONe bought his new, sight unseen, because he wasn't going to use > the git. The other found a used Fernandez and robbed it for the part. Maybe > with heavy lobbying Fernandez would consider selling the sustainer > separately. For the time being, it appears that their policy is to make > people by their (not horrible) gits in order to get the sustainer. > > Anybody ever take one of these things apart? Know how it works? Could we > cobble one together? > > Rik From ???@??? Sat Oct 24 20:46:36 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id AAA08168; Sat, 24 Oct 1998 00:29:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 00:29:21 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19981024041033.6068.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [131.107.3.74] From: "Greg Sundberg" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: GR-30 and Guitar Craft Tuning Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 21:10:28 PDT Resent-Message-ID: <"-M2rd1.0.CJ.XELCs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2380 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Not "loop specific", but I'm certain there are other guitarists on this alias using a Roland GR-30 Guitar Synth (or maybe a VG-8, or other synth with a hex pickup) with a guitar tuned with the "new standard tuning" used in Guitar Craft. When I drop the bass string to a C, the GR-30 has a real difficult time figuring out the frequency of the string. It'll jump back and forth from the low C to any number of frequencies that it picks up from the harmonics. Has anyone else experienced this? Any suggestions or resolutions? Thanks, Greg ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From ???@??? Sat Oct 24 20:46:35 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id AAA08367; Sat, 24 Oct 1998 00:29:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 00:29:43 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: klaw@pop.iglou.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19981023230513.007b9980@mindspring.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: some loop content sustaining Date: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 00:11:48 -0400 Resent-Message-ID: <"hDxZN3.0.YO.HFLCs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2381 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hey I just got one used & am interesed in a mod (if possible)to get more power out of transducer-pikup.Mines a HM type with a floyd (unknown to me at the time)But it plays well the pickups themselves are crap(going to swap out a Barden see how that sounds-very high output ..but the sustainer is cool.I understand it is quite a bitch to remove & install into another gtr.Anyone have experience with this? Thanks Keenan Lawler- Louisville Ky >>>Does anybody have any info on getting a Fernandes >>>guitar? I have lists of dealers in the area but >>>they don't have them in stock( ever). ..... ETC > >I've heard a couple sustainers that were ripped out of Fernandez gits and >wired into a strat and a Fly. Neither player wanted the Fernandez, just the >sustainer. ONe bought his new, sight unseen, because he wasn't going to use >the git. The other found a used Fernandez and robbed it for the part. Maybe >with heavy lobbying Fernandez would consider selling the sustainer >separately. For the time being, it appears that their policy is to make >people by their (not horrible) gits in order to get the sustainer. > >Anybody ever take one of these things apart? Know how it works? Could we >cobble one together? > >Rik From ???@??? Sat Oct 24 20:46:38 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id AAA08574; Sat, 24 Oct 1998 00:30:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 00:30:14 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3631540F.2364703B@bellsouth.net> Date: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 00:14:07 -0400 From: Jeff Duke X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.07 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: some loop content References: <3.0.5.32.19981023230513.007b9980@mindspring.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"2lZZl2.0.-Z.3HLCs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2382 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thanks Rik, The guitar may not be as good as the sustainer (or may, I have read some good reviews on it... ), but I am tempted to buy one if for nothing else but the unit. Jeff ( its only my lifes blood ) Duke Rik Myers wrote: > >>Does anybody have any info on getting a Fernandes > >>guitar? I have lists of dealers in the area but > >>they don't have them in stock( ever). ..... ETC > > I've heard a couple sustainers that were ripped out of Fernandez gits and > wired into a strat and a Fly. Neither player wanted the Fernandez, just the > sustainer. ONe bought his new, sight unseen, because he wasn't going to use > the git. The other found a used Fernandez and robbed it for the part. Maybe > with heavy lobbying Fernandez would consider selling the sustainer > separately. For the time being, it appears that their policy is to make > people by their (not horrible) gits in order to get the sustainer. > > Anybody ever take one of these things apart? Know how it works? Could we > cobble one together? > > Rik From ???@??? Sat Oct 24 20:46:39 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id BAA26518; Sat, 24 Oct 1998 01:14:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 01:14:27 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <36315F2D.3615FB01@erols.com> Date: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 01:01:57 -0400 From: "J.G.Wong (Fiveman)" Reply-To: adaaxs@erols.com Organization: Uplink Hill Disability Technology Consulting, Tokusatsu Access, Video Japan Archive X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight Gr 300 References: <199810160708.DAA07270@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"2Wx5M3.0.t35.PxLCs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2383 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi, I have a GR 300 andi it is a very uniqe and special machine. You can use it with the 303 controller or with a GK1 pickup. It is a matter of taste and usage. People in the Philadelphia area like to use the Ibanez synth guitar rather than the Roland which was made by Ibanez. I have been using mine with a GK1in studio situations with a unit that I have modded slightly ( I can send you a copy of the mods). GR 300 tracks like the new Roland units absolutely instantaneously. People confuse the GR 300 and the GR700 and GR50, they have tracking problems i.e.you must play cleanly. It is a unique sounding unit with the ability to do great expressive work, the hex fuzz and the tunable vco differential do great things. You must however, learn to play it but since you seem to have an analog synth collection like mine you won't have a problem. You can use the controller , GK1 or Ibanez with a US2 switch to simultaneously use a 300 and a 700 or a GM 70 (that's the Midi converter) I am looking for a Roland guitar if you decide you don't wnt it and go some other controller route. Iam also looking for a US2 switch. I have a GM70 module for sale or trade. Hope this helps Best Regards Gino Wong Tokusatsu Access Page (soon to be tokusatsu.com) http://www.angelfire.com/pa/Tokusatsuaccess ãAn educated man is to an uneducated man as the living are to the deadä Aristotle From ???@??? Sat Oct 24 20:46:21 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id XAA14005; Fri, 23 Oct 1998 23:23:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 23:23:13 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19981023230513.007b9980@mindspring.com> X-Sender: zanga@mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 23:05:13 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Rik Myers Subject: Re: some loop content In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"5Ajv62.0.tx.2FKCs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2374 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >>Does anybody have any info on getting a Fernandes >>guitar? I have lists of dealers in the area but >>they don't have them in stock( ever). ..... ETC I've heard a couple sustainers that were ripped out of Fernandez gits and wired into a strat and a Fly. Neither player wanted the Fernandez, just the sustainer. ONe bought his new, sight unseen, because he wasn't going to use the git. The other found a used Fernandez and robbed it for the part. Maybe with heavy lobbying Fernandez would consider selling the sustainer separately. For the time being, it appears that their policy is to make people by their (not horrible) gits in order to get the sustainer. Anybody ever take one of these things apart? Know how it works? Could we cobble one together? Rik From ???@??? Sat Oct 24 20:46:46 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id DAA19827; Sat, 24 Oct 1998 03:30:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 03:30:12 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Reply-To: From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: Subject: RE: GR-30 and Guitar Craft Tuning Date: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 00:16:25 -0700 Message-ID: <000101bdff1e$370c59e0$d622dacf@stepheng> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 In-Reply-To: <19981024041033.6068.qmail@hotmail.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <"BK0K03.0.fw2.byNCs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2384 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Greg Sundberg queried forth: > When I drop the bass string to a C, the GR-30 has a real > difficult time > figuring out the frequency of the string....Has anyone else > experienced this? Any suggestions or resolutions? I neither have a GR-30 nor use the Guitar Craft/Standard tuning... I DO however utilize a non-standard tuning for all my work, my sixth being tuned to as low as a low A; and I have experienced the effect in question with a tuning program I use, but only in the past. The problem in my case occurred because of the different-than-normal tension of the strings under my own non-standard tuning. When I experimented a little bit and tried a few different guages, finding heavier ones more favorable for a more exact tuning on my sixth (but less comfortable, the thicker they got). I also found that this jumping-around effect (on the part of the tuner program) nearly disappeared, which may have been a result of lesser harmonics (?) of the more exactly-tuned string. Not having a perochial musical background, the above is about as exact as it gets linguistically; I don't have a full hang of the nomenclature (though I'm always willing to learn more in order to communicate better with Real musicians [giggle]). I've not had the cash or timing to be able to attend the Guitar Craft courses, and, alas, I understand they're being taught now by other than RF; while I could guarantee the availability of a blank slate to a teacher, I'd rather deal with the apparent Master than a subordinate, eh? Nonetheless, has there never been discussion of different guage strings to accommodate the different tuning? The course was specific enough to require the Ovation - did this not extend to the strings? Puzzling. Stephen GoodmanÊ -Ê It's... The Loop Of The Week! EarthLight StudiosÊ -Ê http://www.earthlight.net/Studios From ???@??? Sat Oct 24 20:46:48 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id EAA21969; Sat, 24 Oct 1998 04:20:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 04:20:02 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Reply-To: From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: Subject: RE: The story of our age? Date: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 00:41:20 -0700 Message-ID: <000201bdff21$b18f3cc0$d622dacf@stepheng> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <"FdZ2l2.0.x03.8eOCs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2386 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com David Kirkdorffer asked: > 1) then what is the "story" of our age? > 2) what are examples of music today depicting today's story? Such confines as "our age" are variable at best. Whose age? I'm going to be 42 just after Christmas, so what I might consider as such might be significantly different than someone in their early 20s. I've always suspected that such compartmentalized efforts as "The Top 100 (fill in the blank)" have tended to be either some executive's idea of a Great Marketing Scheme Designed To Refocus Consumers, or some result of some Expert's thoughts on How We Need To Be Educated. Since, from an early age, I was correctly suspicious of any sales pitch, and tended to analyze the propaganda content a lot, such items as "Our Generation", "Our Age", "Our Century", tend to be less-than-relevant to me. The idea that anyone could declare the end list of the 20th Century's greatest Anythings before the end of that century is spurious at best. Second, then, What IS today's story? I dunno, there was a guy on the bus today who so clearly had fleas that everyone gave him a 10-foot berth; another bank robbery in Hollywood at the B of A; the Fall pretends to be Summer in October Los Angeles, but shows its age in the golden tint, and the lengthening shadow; and, as ever, the New Moon holds the Old one in its arm. I question the idea of a "defining moment" for any span of time, since I wonder if it doesn't exert an unnatural boundary around something that cannot be bound. I remember moments for their own charm, and in recollection, don't think of any period of time I've been in that can be encapsulated into a smaller thing than it is. (I've been concentrating on folding space instead, to no known avail). Stephen GoodmanÊ -Ê It's... The Loop Of The Week! EarthLight StudiosÊ -Ê http://www.earthlight.net/Studios From ???@??? Sat Oct 24 20:46:51 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id EAA04000; Sat, 24 Oct 1998 04:41:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 04:41:23 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <36318FB9.651A@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 01:28:41 -0700 From: Andre LaFosse Reply-To: altruist@earthlink.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-MACOS8 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: GR-30 and Guitar Craft Tuning/Squarepusher References: <19981024041033.6068.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Gga112.0.nn6.e-OCs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2387 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Greg Sundberg wrote: > When I drop the bass string to a C, the GR-30 has a real difficult time > figuring out the frequency of the string. It'll jump back and forth > from the low C to any number of frequencies that it picks up from the > harmonics. Has anyone else experienced this? Any suggestions or > resolutions? Use the tuning control on the GR-30 to tune the string down within the synth itself. In other words, select the bass string, and using the individual parameters for that string inside the GR-30, detune it by four half-steps down to C. You'll still be playing an E, but the synth will transpose the note and it will sound through the synth as a C. The term I use for this sort of thing is a "virtual tuning." It's a good way of exploiting the individual string control afforded by a hexaphonic pickup. I guess Joni Mitchell is ecstatic about the VG-8 for a similar reason, in that the unit can perform all sorts of virtual tunings without having to adjust the actual physical strings. Obligatory loop content: Just got the two new Squarepusher releases, which were issued domestically (in the US) on Nothing records. Haven't listened to them yet, but I'll post a review soon. --Andre From ???@??? Sat Oct 24 20:46:47 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id DAA29199; Sat, 24 Oct 1998 03:42:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 03:42:21 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <36319081.6BA01FA8@magelang.com> Date: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 01:32:01 -0700 From: Jim Coker Reply-To: jcoker@magelang.com Organization: Magelang Institute X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: GR-30 and Guitar Craft Tuning References: <19981024041033.6068.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"9eBWl3.0.YX4.R6OCs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2385 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Read the manual for setup tips, particularly regarding pick placement, and try adjusting the sensitivity to various levels. If you are not already doing so, try a thicker gauge string. I have a Godin tuned to this tuning, and am using a pretty heavy lower gauge. Also I don't follow the craft recommendations for the first 4 strings, they result in tension that is so tight it can twist the neck. I try for as even a tension across all strings as possible. Jim Greg Sundberg wrote: > > Not "loop specific", but I'm certain there are other guitarists on this > alias using a Roland GR-30 Guitar Synth (or maybe a VG-8, or other synth > with a hex pickup) with a guitar tuned with the "new standard tuning" > used in Guitar Craft. > > When I drop the bass string to a C, the GR-30 has a real difficult time > figuring out the frequency of the string. It'll jump back and forth > from the low C to any number of frequencies that it picks up from the > harmonics. Has anyone else experienced this? Any suggestions or > resolutions? > > Thanks, > Greg > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From ???@??? Sun Oct 25 16:03:55 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id FAA08424; Sun, 25 Oct 1998 05:24:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 05:24:44 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Sender: r_t_cummings@csi.com Message-ID: <3631AB2A.EB56DEBF@csi.com> Date: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 11:25:46 +0100 From: Cummings X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [de] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: process threads . . . or what have you References: <199810181456_MC2-5D18-73FC@compuserve.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"DlRUM.0.vb1.9glCs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2397 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sorry 'bout the long delay, Andreas. This "Dirty Dozen" thing is actually being conceived as a theatre piece which won't be performed for about a year. That's also the reason for the increased complexity of the rules in comparison with other "conducted improv" stuff. Whether this is a good thing? I think so in the end, but it requires a lot of time investment. Who's gig is it? Well, the two organizers are Christopher Bleckinsop and Carsten Dane, both of whom are multi-instrumentalists with strong connections to German theatre. They want the project to be financially rewarding and they also want to involve an entire stage concept - therefore the theatre concept! Where will it be? Probably Berlin, Muenchen, Hamburg etc. Rob Andreas Willers schrieb: > > Rob, > > where & when are you performing, who's gig is it? I know that Butch Morris > did a version of his 'conducted improv'-orchestra called 'Berlin > Scyscraper' last year at the 'Podewil'...but this sounds different. From ???@??? Sat Oct 24 20:47:38 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id PAA19361; Sat, 24 Oct 1998 15:35:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 15:35:39 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 11:40:41 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Chris Chovit Subject: Re: The story of our age? Resent-Message-ID: <"KHXhm1.0.ua2.ZQYCs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2389 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Some wonderful answers so far...here's my $.02: >Questions to all loopers: > >If music (& other artistic expressions) reflect interests and -- if you will >-- the "story" of a generation or of an age -- >1) then what is the "story" of our age? Here's an optimistic story: Loss of innocence, expansion of awareness, individual responsibility, creating and respecting boundaries. Release of destructive patterns/behaviors. Transformation of lonliness and suffering into connection and joy. >2) what are examples of music today depicting today's story? jimi hendrix, john lennon, & bob marley were all takin us there, and there's been countless others... general examples: blues-based music, any danceable and/or ecstatic music, -- for me: esp. funk,reggae,ska,tribal,soul-jazz,some rock,some electronic, music to support focusing & relaxing: I like bansuri (bamboo flute) music a lot...and minimal/ambient....and, of course, Loop Music!! peace, chris From ???@??? Sun Oct 25 16:04:00 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id FAA02223; Sun, 25 Oct 1998 05:03:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 05:03:31 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Sender: r_t_cummings@csi.com Message-ID: <3631B6F7.C2422BE6@csi.com> Date: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 12:16:07 +0100 From: Cummings X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [de] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers Delight Subject: [Fwd: [thewire] Unusual Guitar Sounds] Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------567CE31E721449293D28F258" Resent-Message-ID: <"GKIt93.0.CX.qSlCs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2396 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Found this on another list for all you guitarists (95% of LD) ... some may old hat for you, I dunno. BTW, I see that fellow LDer David Orton also contributed to this article. Does anyone know this band (Big Block 454)? Rob Received: from mail pickup service by csi.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 23 Oct 1998 15:58:53 -0400 Sender: bounce-thewire--1198-r_t_cummings=csi.com@onelist.com Received: from onelist.com (pop.onelist.com [209.207.135.253]) by hil-img-ims-5.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/IMS-1.6) with SMTP id PAA29688 for ; Fri, 23 Oct 1998 15:57:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 2370 invoked by alias); 23 Oct 1998 19:56:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 2183 invoked from network); 23 Oct 1998 19:55:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sun2.mcmail.com) (195.44.0.12) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 23 Oct 1998 19:55:57 -0000 Received: from pc (asn19-56.mcmail.com [195.44.19.56]) by sun2.mcmail.com (9.9.9/8.8.8) with SMTP id UAA23495; Fri, 23 Oct 1998 20:56:30 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199810231956.UAA23495@sun2.mcmail.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: bb454@mcmail.com To: "Mailing Lists" Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 20:58:21 +0000 Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) Mailing-List: list thewire@onelist.com; contact http://www.onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list thewire@onelist.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: thewire@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: [thewire] Unusual Guitar Sounds From: bb454@mcmail.com "Smash It Up !" How to Coax Unusual Sounds from your Guitar No. 5 in a series of efficacious articles by Big Block 454 An electric guitar is a tool for sound production - although there are various recognised standard ways of playing it, this should not preclude you from trying out all sorts of other methods of getting sounds out of it - it's not a classical instrument, so let's explore the boundaries ! With modern recording techniques and samplers, it doesn't matter that the wonderful sound that you have discovered only works on one note - sample it, loop it, whatever. I will not be talking about effects units, I'll just be dealing with the guitar itself. What you do with the signal after it leaves the guitar is your own business - and of course that deserves another article entirely. Some of the ideas I'll mention are extremely basic - but something in here may hopefully stimulate your imagination, and that's what it's all about. Standard Playing Techniques Right Hand : Plectrum or fingers Left Hand : Fingers or glass bottleneck / steel slide Well, let's not bother with any of those - you know all about them. What else could you use to sound the strings with ? Coins give an interesting edge to the sound - I believe Brian May uses old sixpences. How long the strings last is another thing. Drum sticks, chop sticks, rulers, spoons - for a percussion effect. Hammer all the stings whilst holding a chord, or use the implements in both hands. Violin bow - you've all seen Jimmy Page using this. The guitar isn't designed to be bowed - all the strings are in the same plane, whereas a violin's strings are at different heights. Thus, you've no way of playing one of the middle guitar strings on its own. The only possibilities are bowing either the top or the bottom string (over the neck) or just dragging the bow across all the strings - or bouncing the bow percussively like Page did. You could try tying a thread round one or two strings, pulling it taut, and then bowing the thread. Glissando Guitar - a great technique, used by Daevid Allen and Steve Hillage from Gong. "Bow" the strings with a metal object held in the right hand. I believe Daevid Allen used silver scalpel handles; I've used metal bottlenecks, jack plugs, pieces of model railway track, whatever. It helps to use something not entirely smooth; a brushed aluminium jack plug works better than a chrome one, as it catches against the strings better. Hold your chosen object at right angles to the strings; and move it rapidly up and down - I tend to use a guitar tuned to a chord and often a bottleneck on the left hand as well, plus a echo unit (but I said I wasn't going to mention outboard effects... ). A silvery sound. As always, try different pickup and tone control settings. A similar effect is to hold a bottleneck in your right hand and slide it up and down - odd things happen on a two-pickup guitar - with the neck pickup on, the pitch goes down as you pass the pickup; with both pickups on, you get a dual sound between the pickups, as one picks up descending pitch whilst the other picks up ascending. Try dragging small chains over the strings - I use one from an old bath plug. I also use this to whip the surface of my banjo - a man's got to have a hobby. The E-Bow sits over one string at a time, and uses an electro-magnetic field to stimulate the string into vibration. As you approach a pickup, the volume becomes louder - and the E-Bow can be very loud ! There is a dead spot over the centre of a humbucker, which means you can get a tremolo effect by sliding the E-Bow back and forth over the pickup. A bottleneck and an E-Bow can give a theremin sound. Two of the members of the band 10cc invented a unit called The Gizmo a while ago. From what I remember, it consisted of a motor and six brushes that attached to the guitar bridge. The brushes rotated all the time, and there was a key for each brush, which brought it into contact with the string. Thus, it was a bit like a mechanical version of the E-Bow, but with the added effect of being able to play more than one string at once. I believe Godley and Creme used it on their albums. Try brushing the strings with a small electric fan, an electric toothbrush, razor or vibrator for similar results. Pickups Some guitars now incorporate a transducer as well as normal magnetic pickups, to get an acoustic sound as well as an electric one. Try using a contact mike for a similar effect. Try attaching it to the headstock, for some weird harmonics - it will tend to pick up the sound of the strings beyond your left-hand fingerings, especially as you change chord positions - you could also pluck the stings behind your left hand if you want. Remember, contact mikes don't put out much of a signal, and semi-acoustics may work better than solids. The avant-garde guitarist Derek Bailey used to use this technique. I believe Frank Zappa had a Strat with a built-in contact mike, which I think is used on "Zoot Allures". Just close-miking an electric guitar (whilst also playing it through an amp) gives an acoustic, cutting edge to the sound - apparently Buddy Holly did this. Some pickups pick up exterior sounds - try shouting or whistling into one. My Gibson Melody Maker is particularly susceptible to this - possibly because the pickup is mounted on the scratch plate rather than firmly attached to the body. Try a compressor to get the volume up. Try bringing a motor, electric drill or radio close to a pickup - weird sounds may result. A large magnet may also work, but mind you don't wreck your pickups. Playing a cassette recorder near the pickups may be interesting. Switches and Controls The obvious technique here is blipping the pickup selector switch. The "Pete Townshend" - on a guitar with Les Paul-style controls, set one pickup volume to zero, then blip the sound on-and-off Morse-code style, preferably at the end of a song, with loads of feedback. The "Jimi Hendrix" - just change rapidly back-and-forth between pickups for abrupt tone changes - it happens fairly early on in "Voodoo Chile - Slight Return". Prepared Guitar Like John Cage's prepared piano, objects can be inserted between the strings to make strange sounds. Try rulers, coat hangers, tinfoil, screwdrivers, forks and knives between the strings and so on. Clipping two strings together with a crocodile clip or paper clip makes some good noises. Also, try damping materials like rubbers or cloth. In a lot of cases, you'll find one note will sound great, and the rest won't - so sample the good one ! The Coral Sitar Guitar used a floating bridge to simulate the sound of a sitar. Someone published details of a way of fitting a metal block near the bridge of a guitar so that it just touched the strings and equally made a sitar-like sound - if anyone knows any more about this, please contact me. A guitar or bass laid across your lap can be played percussively by using the fingers of both hands on the fretboard, like a typewriter. I saw Derek Bailey playing a guitar with two extra strings - a thin one lying loose on the fretboard, and a bass one attached to a machine head and the bridge, but stretched round his foot (he was sitting down). He would pluck the bass string, then bend the note by moving his foot. (You could also bow it). The thin string would be played, then wrenched round the back of the neck. He was playing a semi-acoustic with various contact mics on it. Rolling Things Down The Strings The two main participants in Big Block 454, myself and Pete, both started our musical careers by rolling things down guitar strings and recording the results - have we progressed much since then ? I used ball bearings and marbles; Pete used batteries. Stop recording before they hit the bridge and fall onto the floor (or drop inside the soundhole on an acoustic). Take the backplate off your guitar and play the tremolo arm tension springs - you need the volume up for this one. Play the strings beyond the bridge or nut. Finally, try whipping the guitar with a cat'o'nine tails or a riding crop, or using a chrome dildo on it - thanks to Steve and Terry from LOG. I hope this article has stimulated you to go out and try something new on your guitar. There are more articles like this on the Official Big Block 454 Non-Ironic Web Site at http://www.bigblock454.mcmail.com Thanks to the contributors to this article : David Cooper Orton, Ray Peck, Stephen Moyes, Hal Shows, Vanessa Hays, Steve & Terry from LOG, J. Sexton, Michael Peters, Joris Gillet, Eric Tischler, Jeff from Hub City Records, Aaron Brown from Elias Krone, Manfret Polstra, Jon4NoWave, James Dye, Shannon, Johnny Proctor, and various others who didn't leave their names. Colin, Big Block 454, Manchester, England The Official Big Block 454 Non-Ironic Web Site http://www.bigblock454.mcmail.com Raspberry Records http://www.raspberryrecords.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from this mailing list, or to change your subscription to digest, go to the ONElist web site, at http://www.onelist.com and select the User Center link from the menu bar on the left. From ???@??? Sat Oct 24 20:46:57 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id IAA30407; Sat, 24 Oct 1998 08:10:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 08:10:18 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3631C0D2.124DFE3A@bellsouth.net> Date: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 07:58:10 -0400 From: Jeff Duke X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.07 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Sustainers References: <01bdff02$d8e44d20$ee1bbfa8@0QHC6SIA> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"wAT4r2.0.RE6.64SCs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2388 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I seem to remember somthing about that. Any more info?Also there is the Sustainiac, if they still exist. And how does a Sustainor unit work? vs. a Sustainiac? Oh yes, I tune down a half step on some g----rs and if the strings rattle I try to work that into the loops. (loop content) Jeff Duke Collins wrote: > I remember a while back we all discussed this problem that so many of us > had. WELL...i also remember speaking of the principle of doing that with > regular guitar pickups (using the neck as a driver to send the signal back > out to the strings). I got a post from a fellow looper who told me that he > already had the small amp made that you need to drive the pickup but he > needed it rewound with twice thicker wire and 1/2 or so less turns... > WELL it turns out that i do have some good wire that i would be willing to > send to one of you who might know about doing such a thing...if you're up to > the challenge. > > Let's all get happy!!! > SUSTAIN FOR DAY'S!!! > > Sincerely, > Jeff Collins > > PS. I'm about to check a favorite composer of mine and ask him about said > thing...since he has already done this, Simply listen to Jim O'Rourke's disc > "Remove The Need" on Extreme. From ???@??? Sat Oct 24 20:47:07 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id SAA20975; Sat, 24 Oct 1998 18:14:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 18:14:32 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: GRAIGORY2@aol.com Message-ID: <40408870.36324c1f@aol.com> Date: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 17:52:31 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: i need help Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 226 Resent-Message-ID: <"nUT8_.0.dQ4.UoaCs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2390 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I am getting frustrated with velocity sensitivity in drum pads, as well as the fact that on this one beat I am trying to create, I personally cannot make myself hit the pad double time ... and in-sync with the beat. I was wondering if anyone knows if the alesis SR-16 may have a function in which you may program and automate the drum pattern without having to tap out the pattern manually ... also, does the akai mpc2000 have such an option? peace B-double-O From ???@??? Sat Oct 24 20:47:47 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id UAA05342; Sat, 24 Oct 1998 20:53:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 20:53:28 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Anthony Bowyer-Lowe" To: Subject: Re: i need help Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 01:31:09 +0100 Message-ID: <01bdffae$c31ea600$1e3edec2@amudarya> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"ZwxFl2.0.r_.MBdCs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2391 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >I am getting frustrated with velocity sensitivity in drum pads, as well as the >fact that on this one beat I am trying to create, I personally cannot make >myself hit the pad double time ... and in-sync with the beat. Lower/halve the tempo then try recording it again... Also investigate quantisation of your recorded beats. >I was wondering if anyone knows if the alesis SR-16 may have a function in >which you may program and automate the drum pattern without having to tap >out the pattern manually ... also, does the akai mpc2000 have such an option? Step-time recording should be available on the SR-16 and MPC2000 as it is an ubiquitous feature for drum machines, but who can say what goes through the minds of equipment manufacturers. ynohtnA. -- anthony@amudarya.demon.co.uk [] http://www.amudarya.demon.co.uk From ???@??? Sat Oct 24 20:47:50 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id VAA08590; Sat, 24 Oct 1998 21:29:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 21:29:24 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Fmplautus@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 21:13:23 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Repairing audio jacks on a mac Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 241 Resent-Message-ID: <"gvrU11.0.ym1.bkdCs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2392 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com We have an old Power Mac 7100 used to record on that seems to have had one too many mini-plugs inserted, or hot plugged into it. Anybody ever dealt with repairing jacks on one of these things? Can it be done. We solder. Best, the LoOpdOctOrs From ???@??? Sun Oct 25 16:03:34 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id AAA30770; Sun, 25 Oct 1998 00:53:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 00:53:24 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19981025003329.007ab370@pop3.afn.org> X-Sender: afn39111@pop3.afn.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 00:33:29 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: "earthblind, starbound" Subject: Some sounds you might like to hear In-Reply-To: <199810240331.XAA17655@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"zDJDp2.0.uE7.qhgCs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2393 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I don't have access to any live loopers, but I have some sample-based loop music that you might like to give a listen to. I haven't quite gotten to use any of the little bits I've picked up on this list yet, but I've only written one song and about ten seconds of another. I'm calling my little project Grendel for the time being, and the song I have is sort of hip-hop and metal and prog and noise. I happen to like it a lot, for some reason. I suppose it's industrial--"dance metal," hehe--but Prick it ain't. If you're interested, take a peek. http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Atrium/4664/grendel.html Loop on on on on on on on -- *Consider yourself warned.* -- Grendel (Industrial/Electronic Prog): http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Atrium/4664/grendel.html Against a Sickness: http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Atrium/4664 From ???@??? Sun Oct 25 16:03:38 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id BAA06615; Sun, 25 Oct 1998 01:47:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 01:47:03 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 01:32:46 -0500 (EST) From: Adam Levin X-Sender: alevin@ari.ari.net To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: GR-30 and Guitar Craft Tuning In-Reply-To: <000101bdff1e$370c59e0$d622dacf@stepheng> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"jmyvy2.0.SX.YQiCs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2394 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com On Sat, 24 Oct 1998, Stephen P. Goodman wrote: > I've not had the cash or timing to be able to attend the Guitar Craft > courses, and, alas, I understand they're being taught now by other than RF; There are introduction to New Standard Tuning courses instructed by those other than Robert Fripp. Only Robert Fripp instructs Guitar Craft courses. Currently, if you want to be instructed by Robert Fripp on a Guitar Craft course, you must first have been introduced to the tuning by another instructor. If you are interested, see http://www.seattlecircle.com/ or email guitarcraft@usa.net -Adam --- "...if one strives at hearing for the sake of constant virtue, out of seeking liberation from cyclic existence, gradually one becomes a Hearer." - Chandrakirti T h e D a r k A e t h e r P r o j e c t http://www.darkaether.net/ From ???@??? Sun Oct 25 16:03:40 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id BAA07448; Sun, 25 Oct 1998 01:49:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 01:49:22 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 01:33:47 -0500 (EST) From: Adam Levin X-Sender: alevin@ari.ari.net To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Subject: TapTech II Concert in Baltimore 11/7/98 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"i9sKg1.0.pd.VRiCs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2395 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com TapTech II Orion Sound Studios 2903 Whittington Ave. Baltimore, MD Saturday, November 7th 1998 8:00PM On the weekend of November 7th a collection of Warr Guitar and Stick Players will be gathering at Orion Sound Studios in Baltimore, Maryland for a weekend of collaborative work studying two handed tapping techniques. As a part of this work, there will be a public performance Saturday night at 8pm. The music will range from traditional jazz, progressive rock, fusion to jam-based improvisational rock and more. Admission is $5 for this all ages show. Performers will include: Frank Jolliffe: Jazz artist Frank Jolliffe has performed throughout the US and Europe for the last 22 years. He has taught touchstyle at both the National Guitar Workshop (12 years) and the European Tap-Guitar Seminar (7 years). He is the publisher of the TouchStyle Quarterly and recently edited the Frank Paul book Rapid Fire Bass. This will be Frank's second year teaching and performing at TapTech. See http://www.touchstyle.com/ The Dark Aether Project: Featuring Adam Levin (Warr 8 String Touch Guitar/Loops), Yaman Aksu (Fretted and fretless Guitars) and Brian Griffin (Drums), Expose writes "intense and blistering lead work...amazing loops and shimmering textures that are at once haunting and dreamlike...worthy of attention." Progression magazine says "jazz-inflected, often minimalistic...foreboding soundscape[s]... mature musicianship without pretentiousness." See http://www.darkaether.net/ Three Hour Detour: This New Jersey trio features Ray Ashley (Stick/Vocals), Joe D'Andrea (Drums/Vocals) and Helene Zisook (Electric Violin). Their unique blend of upbeat progressive fusion draws from many influences, from folk, jazz, improv rock to african rhythms. They'll be playing material from their debut release on Clever Sheep records. See http://mars.superlink.net/~rayash/3ht.htm William Bajzek: Whether recording or performing solo or in ensembles such as Division Sign and A Fine Day, William's unique musical voice shines through with his 12 string Warr Touch Guitar. His debut CD project _A Fine Day_ is a collaboration with brother Peter Bazjek (acoustic guitar) and Kelly McCaffery (saxophone) in an improvisational progressive jazz setting. See http://juanvaldez.dws.acs.cmu.edu/~wb2a/ Other performers will include Squash (featuring Stick player Christopher Dunne) and solo artist John Sillasen. More acts are still being confirmed. For more information about TapTech seminars for two-handed tap instrumentalists see: http://www.darkaether.net/tt2.html For more information about The Baltimore Progressive Rock Showcase Series at Orion Studios see: http://www.progrock.net/shows/showcase/ ======================================================================== Directions: -Take I-95 to exit 50, Caton Ave. (Just inside the south west side of the 695 beltway) -Take Caton Ave south to the third traffic light and turn left onto Washington Blvd -Go 1/4 mile up the hill to the U-Haul sign and turn right onto Inverness. -At the end of Inverness, turn left onto Whittington Ave. -Go to the end of Whittington and turn right into the parking lot at 2903 Whittington, in the Whittington Business Center. -Orion is on the right. -Adam --- "...if one strives at hearing for the sake of constant virtue, out of seeking liberation from cyclic existence, gradually one becomes a Hearer." - Chandrakirti T h e D a r k A e t h e r P r o j e c t http://www.darkaether.net/ From ???@??? Sun Oct 25 16:04:17 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id KAA03933; Sun, 25 Oct 1998 10:29:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 10:29:57 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 09:43:41 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: patrick@his.com (Patrick Smith) Subject: Re: GR-30 and Guitar Craft Tuning Resent-Message-ID: <"Bz-Tx.0.zh.J4qCs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2402 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi Greg, I had this same situation with the GR-1. The manual says that the synth can not reliabley detect pitches lower than the E used in the standard tuning. Hence your problem. RF himself sadi inan interview that he now has two tunings. One with the lowE replacing the C. Thus Andrea's "Virtual Tuning" will not solve your problem straightforwardly. oeer withthe string tuned to E,, you can than convert that E to C giving you the NST as far as synth sounds are concerned. BUT if you blend guitar and synth, you could wind up with some unwanted harmonies. Patrick >Not "loop specific", but I'm certain there are other guitarists on this >alias using a Roland GR-30 Guitar Synth (or maybe a VG-8, or other synth >with a hex pickup) with a guitar tuned with the "new standard tuning" >used in Guitar Craft. > >When I drop the bass string to a C, the GR-30 has a real difficult time >figuring out the frequency of the string. It'll jump back and forth >from the low C to any number of frequencies that it picks up from the >harmonics. Has anyone else experienced this? Any suggestions or >resolutions? > >Thanks, >Greg > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com Now Available: FingerPaint Primary Colors: BLUE "can be edgy and intense as well as relaxing...." FAQT Shockwave audio featuring our newest release Primary Colors:Blue www.fingerpaint.net From ???@??? Sun Oct 25 16:03:59 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id FAA13683; Sun, 25 Oct 1998 05:51:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 05:51:50 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3632F1E2.CAA974A3@bellsouth.net> Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 04:39:46 -0500 From: Jeff Duke X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.07 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Some sounds you might like to hear References: <3.0.5.32.19981025003329.007ab370@pop3.afn.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"v28ig3.0.G53.Z0mCs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2398 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi uh, Grendel, I checked out your tune and liked it alot. I am going to download the mp3 to listen further. Thanks, Jeff Duke earthblind, starbound wrote: > I don't have access to any live loopers, but I have some sample-based > loop music that you might like to give a listen to. I haven't quite > gotten to use any of the little bits I've picked up on this list yet, > but I've only written one song and about ten seconds of another. > > I'm calling my little project Grendel for the time being, and the song > I have is sort of hip-hop and metal and prog and noise. I happen to > like it a lot, for some reason. I suppose it's industrial--"dance metal," > hehe--but Prick it ain't. > > If you're interested, take a peek. > > http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Atrium/4664/grendel.html > > Loop on on on on on on on > > -- > *Consider yourself warned.* -- Grendel (Industrial/Electronic Prog): > http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Atrium/4664/grendel.html > Against a Sickness: http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Atrium/4664 From ???@??? Sun Oct 25 16:04:58 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id RAA16965; Sun, 25 Oct 1998 17:46:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 17:46:49 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Reply-To: From: "Javier Miranda V." To: Subject: RE: Group Buy Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 02:26:13 -0800 Message-ID: <000d01be0001$e4168140$36ceefd1@electra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"d0tR-2.0.Oh3.dNwCs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2409 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I have pretty much everything from last Spring in MS Outlook. If you can import from that, we could arrange to send you the one big file -- many little bits or one big file. | -----Original Message----- | From: crash@waste.org [mailto:crash@waste.org] | Sent: Thursday 22 October 1998 4:36 AM | To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com | Subject: Group Buy | | | Can someone email me privately what the particulars of the group buy is? | For example, with and without footswitch. | | I watched my mail server delete messages one by one, including my archive | of backed-up Looper's Delight messages. Grrr... | | From ???@??? Sun Oct 25 16:04:03 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id HAA20446; Sun, 25 Oct 1998 07:16:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 07:16:19 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 06:53:36 -0500 From: Andreas Willers Subject: [Fwd: [thewire] Unusual Guitar Sounds] Sender: Andreas Willers To: "INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Message-ID: <199810250653_MC2-5DFB-2E57@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"Df_lo3.0.sf4.v6nCs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2399 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com -------------------- Begin Original Message -------------------- Message text written by INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com "The Coral Sitar Guitar used a floating bridge to simulate the sound of a sitar. Someone published details of a way of fitting a metal block near the bridge of a guitar so that it just touched the strings and equally made a sitar-like sound - if anyone knows any more about this, please contact me." -------------------- End Original Message -------------------- If anyone has info on that, please let us here know, too. From ???@??? Sun Oct 25 16:04:05 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id IAA24955; Sun, 25 Oct 1998 08:25:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 08:25:27 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19981025091448.00a12180@brooknorth.com> X-Sender: howard@brooknorth.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 09:14:48 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Howard Harawitz Subject: Re: Some sounds you might like to hear In-Reply-To: <3632F1E2.CAA974A3@bellsouth.net> References: <3.0.5.32.19981025003329.007ab370@pop3.afn.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"NSE1h1.0.Ms5.bFoCs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2400 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com RE: http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Atrium/4664/grendel.html I am listening to your MP3 now and I like it. Thanks, Howard At 04:39 AM 10/25/98 -0500, you wrote: >Hi uh, Grendel, >I checked out your tune and liked it alot. I am going to download the mp3 to >listen further. > >Thanks, >Jeff Duke > >earthblind, starbound wrote: > >> I don't have access to any live loopers, but I have some sample-based >> loop music that you might like to give a listen to. I haven't quite >> gotten to use any of the little bits I've picked up on this list yet, >> but I've only written one song and about ten seconds of another. >> >> I'm calling my little project Grendel for the time being, and the song >> I have is sort of hip-hop and metal and prog and noise. I happen to >> like it a lot, for some reason. I suppose it's industrial--"dance metal," >> hehe--but Prick it ain't. >> >> If you're interested, take a peek. >> >> http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Atrium/4664/grendel.html >> >> Loop on on on on on on on >> >> -- >> *Consider yourself warned.* -- Grendel (Industrial/Electronic Prog): >> http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Atrium/4664/grendel.html >> Against a Sickness: http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Atrium/4664 > > ========================================================== Howard Harawitz howard@brooknorth.com ========================================================== Brooklyn North Software Works Inc. Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada Telephone: 1-902-423-0257 ========================================================== Check the Halifax Harbor Cam: http://www.brooknorth.com/camsite/ From ???@??? Sun Oct 25 19:40:11 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id WAA10441; Sun, 25 Oct 1998 22:13:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 22:13:01 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <36333B74.2855@cheerful.com> Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 08:53:40 -0600 From: Bob Reply-To: printer@cheerful.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.02Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Some sounds you might like to hear References: <3.0.5.32.19981025003329.007ab370@pop3.afn.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"jRjU03.0.I32.3I-Cs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2414 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Just listened to your piece "Late_Pass" - Top drawer, Old Chap! Bob From ???@??? Sun Oct 25 16:04:19 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id LAA07297; Sun, 25 Oct 1998 11:04:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 11:04:36 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 09:51:41 -0600 (CST) Sender: crash@waste.org From: Todd Madson To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Procrastination Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"-nOPU.0.NV1.abqCs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2403 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Well, as was noted here before, Ken Mistove's "Procrastination" audio looping software is (shall we say in the vernacular) "the duck's nuts." Completely amazing. I even did some goofy stuff like taking a CD of Robert Fripp's soundscapes and looped that, just for fun. I also dialed out into the internet, and the dial tone, touch tones and sound of the modem got looped into the composition too. Weird. I looped some CD-R audio of my existing compositions and that worked really well too. Suggestions? Since I have 80+ megs of ram, could we possibly have one very LONG loop? (i.e. instead of four one minute loops, how about one four minute loop?) Or have some way of configuring the number of loops vs. time? Tap tempo would be nice. Also, some sort of time display that would let the looper know what position he or she is within the loop currently playing? It's an amazing start so far and will be using it for a project very soon. Any Mac user who has a suitable amount of RAM should try this out - it's absolutely amazing. -Todd From ???@??? Sun Oct 25 16:04:32 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id MAA16719; Sun, 25 Oct 1998 12:18:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 12:18:00 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Crossedout@aol.com Message-ID: <3a9495f2.36335b72@aol.com> Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 12:10:10 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: i need help Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Resent-Message-ID: <"HiWG12.0.dq3.NlrCs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2404 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 10/24/98 4:13:35 PM Central Standard Time, GRAIGORY2@aol.com writes: << also, does the akai mpc2000 have such an option? >> Yes, you can do step-by-step entry of a beat with the MPC. - Crossedout@aol.com From ???@??? Sun Oct 25 16:04:36 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id NAA26560; Sun, 25 Oct 1998 13:28:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 13:28:51 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Dpcoffin@aol.com Message-ID: <3e7c2096.36336b07@aol.com> Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 13:16:39 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: PROJEkT TWO Revisited... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 84 Resent-Message-ID: <"eghAb3.0.ID6.ojsCs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2406 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com As I write this, I'm listening to, and quite enjoying, Vol 2 of the Space Groove double CD, despite my earlier very vocal annoyance...so, one interesting CD and a free coaster for $18...not too bad! Apologies to all concerned (is anybody?); I now regard myself as a "Fripp-fan," provisionally, as always! CD2 isn't earthshaking, either, but it's simply more reliably surprising to me than that Groove disk; I always enjoy the sense of being present as fine musos explore new toys, and seem to actually be making some discoveries, not just cruisin', as it sounded to me they were doing on the first disk. Reminds me of another all-time fav disk of mine: Keith Jarrett, Book of Ways, which also sounds like a great musician discovering a new instrument, and exploring it in a fascinating way. If you like KJ and wonder what he'd do on a guitar, this is prob. as close as you'll get---he close-mikes a clavicord so that its usually very faint-sounding plink comes off sounding agressively plucked and full. It's also a double CD, and coincidentally, one disk is, to me, also pretty much a one-time listen: it sounds like Jarrett's trying to prove that he can Bach with the best of 'em, unlike the other disk where you get to listen as he gets off on a new sound. ...apologies for my relentless subjectivity--can anyone relate? dpc From ???@??? Sun Oct 25 16:04:38 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id NAA27472; Sun, 25 Oct 1998 13:38:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 13:38:01 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: GRAIGORY2@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 13:21:46 EST Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: I need everyone's opinion... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 226 Resent-Message-ID: <"CG52J1.0.1M6.wosCs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2407 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com As far as synthesizer modules go, what does everybody think about the NANO series of synth modules (as well as compressors) the ALESIS offers??? ALSO, are their any other expandable synthesizer modules that anyone would like to suggest, as well as MIDI CONTROLLER keyboard? From ???@??? Sun Oct 25 16:04:35 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id NAA24917; Sun, 25 Oct 1998 13:14:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 13:14:21 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <000701be0049$785c9aa0$84eb869f@fiachrei> Reply-To: "Fiach Reid" From: "Fiach Reid" To: Subject: subscribe Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 18:58:34 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0004_01BE0049.76E3B640" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"kyZMU3.0.Be5.hTsCs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2405 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com
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From ???@??? Sun Oct 25 16:04:39 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id OAA00280; Sun, 25 Oct 1998 14:34:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 14:34:51 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: cstecker@barr642.berkeley.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 12:28:13 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: cstecker@ovenguard.com (Chris Stecker) Subject: Used Echoplex DP Pricing? Resent-Message-ID: <"qEaCu2.0.5p7.ShtCs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2408 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi all, sorry for the mundane question, but what's the average sale price for a used echoplex digital pro? I've got one, and am looking to add to my collection. -Chris From ???@??? Sun Oct 25 16:05:00 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id SAA19113; Sun, 25 Oct 1998 18:08:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 18:08:09 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: kmistove@mail.eclipse.net (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 18:00:58 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Ken Mistove Subject: Re: Procrastination Resent-Message-ID: <"oJCcq2.0.KW4.JtwCs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2410 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Todd and others, >Suggestions? Since I have 80+ megs of ram, could we possibly have >one very LONG loop? (i.e. instead of four one minute loops, how >about one four minute loop?) Version 1.1 (available now) now contains "Procrastination long" - one 4 minute delay line. 1.1 also adds input mutes. This is a start toward more flexible audio routing. >Or have some way of configuring the >number of loops vs. time? Dynamic memory allocation is planned. >Tap tempo would be nice. Believe it not, I've never used any hardware loopers. I'm assuming that you want to set a delay line's total time in response to you tapping in a tempo. Please elaborate on what you would like this to do. (Private reply please - let's not waste bandwidth). >Also, some sort of time display that would let the looper know what >position he or she is within the loop currently playing? Also possible. I'll have to think about ways of doing this. ********* To anyone interested in "Procrastination" let's move most of the discussion off of this list. I will post a message here when updates are available. Feature requests, bug reports, etc., should be sent directly to me. Also, I found a different type of Max/MSP software looper available at http://www.sirius.com/~ear/. Follow the software link. Thanks, Ken For "Procrastination" and my Listening Room: http://www.eclipse.net/~kmistove/ From ???@??? Sun Oct 25 19:39:53 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id TAA25900; Sun, 25 Oct 1998 19:17:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 19:17:13 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 01:04:30 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <199810260004.BAA12612@mail.euroweb.hu> X-Sender: absolute@mail.datanet.hu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: mailto: From: adam davidovics Subject: echoplex or jamman? Resent-Message-ID: <"9Mchf.0.q_5.LpxCs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2411 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hello guys! Im about to buy a looper tool. It'd be either a Jamman or an Echoplex DP. I've read thru the specs, but for me (im a beginner on this platform) it's like the Echoplex beats the Jamman. But then, why some people choosing the Jamman instead the Echoplex? i can not afford the two, so please lighten me up! a/d From ???@??? Sun Oct 25 19:39:54 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id TAA28658; Sun, 25 Oct 1998 19:41:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 19:41:24 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <234f5c14.3633c266@aol.com> Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 19:29:26 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Some sounds you might like to hear Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 170 Resent-Message-ID: <"M7K5t.0.fi6.JByCs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2412 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com i gave your music a listen........wow......wonderful!..........michael From ???@??? Sun Oct 25 19:39:55 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id TAA29063; Sun, 25 Oct 1998 19:45:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 19:45:25 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <7d5426bc.3633c3b5@aol.com> Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 19:35:01 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [Fwd: [thewire] Unusual Guitar Sounds] Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 170 Resent-Message-ID: <"VM9PO2.0.Uu6.jGyCs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2413 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 10/25/98 9:44:22 AM Mid-Atlantic Standard Time, r_t_cummings@csi.com writes: << Colin, Big Block 454, Manchester, England The Official Big Block 454 Non-Ironic Web Site http://www.bigblock454.mcmail.com Raspberry Records http://www.raspberryrecords.com >> this was a very interesting site.....the mp3 player "winamp" is quite nice, thanks for the direction............michael From ???@??? Sun Oct 25 19:40:12 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id WAA10831; Sun, 25 Oct 1998 22:15:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 22:15:50 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19981026030308.2058.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [131.107.3.71] From: "Greg Sundberg" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: GR-30 and "Dropped 6th string tuning" + loop content Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 19:03:07 PST Resent-Message-ID: <"-7ttl3.0.GK2.GR-Cs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2415 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Actual loop content: 22% (see below) Thanks to all who responded. I'll probably just convert my strat back to normal tuning and create some "virtual" tuning patches on Gr-30. Of course the obvious drawback, as others pointed out, appears when mixing guitar signal with the synth -- which I like to do. On the other hand, it may create some interesting opportunities as well. I already had a heavier gauge string (54 I believe), but it only helped slightly. I'm curios about Jim's setup. He's using a Godin and isn't having the same issue. If I'm not mistaken the Godin doesn't use the GK-2a pickup, but rather a piezo solution (the RMC's perhaps?). Could this be a superior design? I got the impression from the Roland manual that "closer is better" w/ regard to the hex pickup and the bridge. Following that logic, the best position for the pickup would be the bridge itself. Maybe? By the way, there's a new mailing list that just started up for the GR-30. http://www.indiscipline.net/gr-30. RDLA: recommended daily looping allowance.. Relatively poor man's looper: 1) you need at least a mixer or amp or other effect device with a free send/return pair, a delay pedal, and a volume pedal. 2) From the send go into a volume pedal, then a delay pedal, then back to the return. If you want to add something to a loop, hit the volume pedal. Close the volume pedal and solo away over the loop. Have fun and save for that EDP, Boomerang, Jamman, or wait for GOD to create a PC looper solution next year. Cheers, Greg ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From ???@??? Sun Oct 25 23:08:06 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id BAA08432; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 01:39:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 01:39:46 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 23:22:15 -0700 X-Sender: prasanna@ares.csd.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Prasanna Subject: Re: I need everyone's opinion... Resent-Message-ID: <"FwBFu.0.hU.TL1Ds"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2416 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >As far as synthesizer modules go, what does everybody think about the NANO >series of synth modules (as well as compressors) the ALESIS offers??? ALSO, >are their any other expandable synthesizer modules that anyone would like to >suggest, as well as MIDI CONTROLLER keyboard? ok, you asked for my opinion... certainly nothing by alesis can be considered "pro", and much of it sounds like shit (even the 20bit adat sitting next to me), but, of course lo-fi can be used to tremendous advantage, and sometimes the grungiest, dumbest sounding piece of gear can sound really cool. So, listen, and see if they're right for you. Also, often local music stores (like Robb's Music in Boulder) has great finds on used (read vintage) keyboards. - often cool analog stuff etc. Sometimes we end up using a module for only one sound anyway, so make sure the thing generates sound in a cool way - whatever that means to you - sorry, but you asked... From ???@??? Mon Oct 26 00:09:48 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id CAA03222; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 02:51:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 02:51:10 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "The Dark Knight" Organization: Wits University Maths Sciences To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 09:18:04 GMT+2 Subject: Re: Transatlantic looping collaboration - results online Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.31 Message-ID: <3129A932A9@ug.ms.wits.ac.za> Resent-Message-ID: <"G0VU22.0.sl6.8J2Ds"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2417 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Unsubscribe "I think I am." Thabiso Sechaba Sefatsa From ???@??? Mon Oct 26 10:24:54 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id FAA31693; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 05:38:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 05:38:03 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <36344B94.760AD394@vete.ucl.ac.be> Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 11:14:46 +0100 From: Malhomme Reply-To: malhomme@vete.ucl.ac.be X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [fr] (Macintosh; I; PPC) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: sustain and craft tuning References: <199810240705.DAA06043@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"uoZPR1.0.jz4.Gh4Ds"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2418 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com 1) some may remember, we spoke about sustainer about one year ago. There is the new system from the makers of the Sustainiac, which seem not to expensive, sells as a separate part and seems very powerful with features like harmonic rank choosing, a "bow-button" effect liberating a sudden power surge to gives this bow effect, and many more. Unfortunately, I lack the site address of these people (anyone?). I, for my part, have a Fernandes guit. I bought for next to nothing. And there is the possibility of the ISF (or something like that) that a person writing on the Stickwire list has designed. Your sound goes in parallell to a little 50W amp with no speaker, but to a contact driver (kind of speaker without paper cone, used to drive soft walls, glass.... any flat surface) which you stick (well..) to the body of your intrument. That make the body of the instrument resonate and hence gives the wildly wanted sustain. The amount is controlled by a simple volume pedal on the patth to the second amp. Sustain at the touch of the foot. 2) Craft tuning: Since the GR-30 work with a pitch to midi detection, the lower the note, the higher the delay between plucking and the note coming out. Because it needs in theory at least 1/2 cycle to indentify the frequency, and in real world 1 or 2 cycle at least. That can generate ghost notes, error of detection... For craft tuning (in fact any tuning with low notes) you'd better stick with the neural system of the Axon (or Axxon?), that extract note information from the transient of the plucking, whatever the note height. That allow also for the machine to detect WHERE you are plucking, and then have different sounds , like one near the neck, one in the midle.... Yamaha recently licensed their technology in their latest system. That doen't make Roland very at the edge of guitar synth (too bad, they were the one to continuously invest in the area). Note I'm not selling anything, I still have an old GR-50, the Axon being impossible to find in Belgium where I now live. You would get more information on their site (I don't remember exactly now) or on tPaolo valladolid's digital guitar site. Now, the V-8, i have, you don't need to change the tuning on the guitar, you can do it on the machine as ypou please, with a different tuning for each preset if you want, even several tuning at the same time, choosable with an expression pedal. I use 5th tuning for a long time, with a low A and a G# at the top. That often prohibits things like bending the highest string. I even tried harpsichord strings, because of their higher steel quality (being german, sorry american stell just don't compete). It wasn't enough anyway. This I can do with the VG-8 at ease. The only draw back is, you loose at bit of attack on the "re-tuned" strings that is not "perceivable" (does the word exists???) from the audiance but is from the player. Sorry for the long post. Hope it helps... Olivier Malhomme From ???@??? Mon Oct 26 10:25:18 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id KAA00170; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 10:23:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 10:23:00 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <008201be00f1$45061f20$167a070c@govinda.cyber-dyne.com> From: "Marc Roche" To: Subject: Re: echoplex or jamman? Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 06:59:41 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"3mmdk3.0.kD7.Tu8Ds"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2419 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hello adam, There's no question about it. I've owned both. Get an Echoplex, it's far,far better, more versatile. You'll love it!!! -----Original Message----- From: adam davidovics To: mailto: Date: Sunday, October 25, 1998 4:13 PM Subject: echoplex or jamman? >Hello guys! > >Im about to buy a looper tool. It'd be either a Jamman or an Echoplex DP. > >I've read thru the specs, but for me (im a beginner on this platform) it's >like the Echoplex beats the Jamman. > >But then, why some people choosing the Jamman instead the Echoplex? > >i can not afford the two, so please lighten me up! > >a/d > From ???@??? Mon Oct 26 10:25:22 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id LAA13169; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 11:47:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 11:47:03 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: KILLINFO@aol.com Message-ID: <1707e8e3.3634a36a@aol.com> Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 11:29:30 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Re: Sustainers Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 59 Resent-Message-ID: <"bXTWj2.0.TS2.4FADs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2420 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi there, De-lurk mode on... For those of you making inquiries about the original Sustaniac sustain device by Maniac Music, they are still in business and you can make contact with them through Alan Hoover whose e-mail address is: HooverA@tce.com. Alan's a really nice guy. He's doing a repair on my sustainiac right now as I speak (the first it's needed in a dozen years of owning it). After my EDPs it's the one effect that I can't imagine having to live without. Best regards, T.Killian From ???@??? Tue Oct 27 00:16:50 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id MAA19152; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 12:20:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 12:20:59 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 08:55:10 -0800 Message-ID: <00141FB7.C21407@wj.com> From: Mike.Biffle@wj.com (Mike Biffle) Subject: Re[2]: Sustainers and Sustainiac... To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, Jeff Duke Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Resent-Message-ID: <"Kvwlx.0.kp3.djADs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2421 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Don't forget Alan Hoover and Sustainiac... His product works the same as the Fernandez... (they "borrowed" his design or a portion of it) and he's currently working on a Strat version which will use the middle pickup as a driver. I can't quote exactly, but believe a fully loaded pickguard w/your pickups sent to him for the mods will come in a well under $400... maybe less than $300. The (old) Sustainiac email address is... maniac@netdirect.net Alan Hoover posts to this list frequently so you might query him directly about it. ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: some loop content Author: Jeff Duke at INTERNET Date: 10/24/98 12:16 AM yeah, and I hear that to buy the sustainor unit with mods on a guitfiddle is about the same price as the whole works. Frankly,I have been disappointed with the conversations with Fernandes reps. on the phone. I guess they are doing alright without me. Mayby a group buy? Not instigated by me. Jeff Rik Myers wrote: > >>Does anybody have any info on getting a Fernandes > >>guitar? I have lists of dealers in the area but > >>they don't have them in stock( ever). ..... ETC > > I've heard a couple sustainers that were ripped out of Fernandez gits and > wired into a strat and a Fly. Neither player wanted the Fernandez, just the > sustainer. ONe bought his new, sight unseen, because he wasn't going to use > the git. The other found a used Fernandez and robbed it for the part. Maybe > with heavy lobbying Fernandez would consider selling the sustainer > separately. For the time being, it appears that their policy is to make > people by their (not horrible) gits in order to get the sustainer. > > Anybody ever take one of these things apart? Know how it works? Could we > cobble one together? > > Rik From ???@??? Tue Oct 27 00:16:44 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id PAA18771; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 15:23:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 15:23:54 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 11:57:21 -0700 Subject: FS: JamMan From: "Neil Goldstein" To: "Loopers-Delight" Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <1302690714-25350459@mail.imagina.com> Resent-Message-ID: <"yjmoT2.0.K33.yFDDs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2426 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I have a JamMan with 32 seconds memory with footswitches. Am selling for $450 OBO. Neil Goldstein Portland, Oregon USA (503) 293-1356 From ???@??? Mon Oct 26 12:09:10 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id OAA12456; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 14:56:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 14:56:26 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: klaw@pop.iglou.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.16.19981026190817.09178f68@mailhost.elec.gla.ac.uk> References: <00141FB7.C21407@wj.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Vortex Now Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 14:05:33 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: <"Y_gvB3.0.q_.GXCDs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2424 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Heads up -Vortex in box (unopened) $ 250- can probably deal. Music Warehouse -Louisville Ky 502-456 -4730 From ???@??? Tue Oct 27 00:16:42 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id PAA14397; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 15:05:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 15:05:38 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 14:44:00 -0500 From: Andreas Willers Subject: PROJEkT TWO Revisited... Sender: Andreas Willers To: "INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Message-ID: <199810261444_MC2-5E10-3D75@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"gwHAO.0.ac2.v5DDs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2425 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com -------------------- Begin Original Message -------------------- Message text written by INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com "...apologies for my relentless subjectivity--can anyone relate? dpc" -------------------- End Original Message -------------------- shure can. Andreas From ???@??? Mon Oct 26 11:32:02 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id OAA03510; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 14:03:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 14:03:53 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3634D2F5.8AE90AD0@magelang.com> Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 11:52:21 -0800 From: Jim Coker Reply-To: jcoker@magelang.com Organization: Magelang Institute X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com CC: tiktok@sprintmail.com Subject: Re: GR-30 and "Dropped 6th string tuning" + loop content References: <19981026030308.2058.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"zW1tK1.0.jH.1GCDs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2423 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Greg Sundberg wrote: > I already had a heavier gauge string (54 I believe), but it only helped > slightly. I'm curios about Jim's setup. He's using a Godin and isn't > having the same issue. If I'm not mistaken the Godin doesn't use the > GK-2a pickup, but rather a piezo solution (the RMC's perhaps?). Could > this be a superior design? I got the impression from the Roland manual > that "closer is better" w/ regard to the hex pickup and the bridge. > Following that logic, the best position for the pickup would be the > bridge itself. Maybe? > I checked my Godin (a multiac), and here are the gauges: 9, 13, 18 (un wound steel) 32, 46, 56 wound brass. The crafty tuning uses a wound 22 on the 3rd string, and 11s on the top string, both way too tight, in my opinion. I got my strings in bulk by the dozen at musicians friend. When you buy in bulk, you buy individual gauges, so you can pick what you like. I still think the lower strings are a bit looser than I'd like, but that's the thickest i can find. I use an Axon (which I highly recommend, along w/ the equivalent yamaha), and haven't had any serious tracking problems. It uses piezo RMC pickups, so I think that may improve tracking when using Roland products. As pointed out in another post, the Axon is much better tracking lower pitches as it uses the attack transient to guess the pitch, rather than waiting for a complete waveform. I've found it to be much more "playable" overall than the GI-10 I used to have, both on the Godin, and a regular electric w/ a GK-2a. Of course, it is also more expensive, harder to find, etc. Jim From ???@??? Tue Oct 27 00:16:58 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id PAA23271; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 15:41:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 15:41:14 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3634D923.885802EF@bellsouth.net> Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 15:18:43 -0500 From: Jeff Duke X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.07 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Vortex Now References: <00141FB7.C21407@wj.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"TxWQ2.0.xH4.SbDDs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2427 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thanks, I just snagged it! Jeff klaw@pop.iglou.com wrote: > Heads up -Vortex in box (unopened) $ 250- can probably deal. Music > Warehouse -Louisville Ky 502-456 -4730 From ???@??? Tue Oct 27 00:16:47 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id QAA32141; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 16:15:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 16:15:38 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 13:53:58 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <199810262053.NAA00695@mail.iex.net> X-Sender: crs@mail.usa.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: crs@usa.net (Chuck Angert) Subject: loop tools - software - wanted! Resent-Message-ID: <"j-34X3.0.Xl6.iAEDs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2429 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hello out there! I am new to the Loopers-Delight. I have Win95/200Mhz Pentium, Gina DAW, Cakewalk and MIDI modules. I WANT The Oberheim Echoplex, but not enough spare $$$. So, I am looking for software - Shareware or Freeware - to do what the Echoplex does. It seems like a better place anyway, because I could have stereo in/out, like the old 2-reel tape rigs we did in 70's and 80's. (on the back of Fripp and Eno's album, remember???) OR - Does anyone want to take a hack at writing one - in Visual Basic or something? EMAIL ME! CHuck Joy! ==> crs@usa.net Thanx From ???@??? Tue Oct 27 00:16:48 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id QAA32398; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 16:17:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 16:17:05 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3634E1AD.62E3F9F@bellsouth.net> Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 15:55:09 -0500 From: Jeff Duke X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.07 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Vortex Now References: <00141FB7.C21407@wj.com> <3634D923.885802EF@bellsouth.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"S6Xcs1.0.tV6.i7EDs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2428 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com If any Vortex users have any tips they would like to pass along that would be great. This is the first time that I have been able to beat ya'll to the buy in a year! Jeff Jeff Duke wrote: > Thanks, I just snagged it! > Jeff > > klaw@pop.iglou.com wrote: > > > Heads up -Vortex in box (unopened) $ 250- can probably deal. Music > > Warehouse -Louisville Ky 502-456 -4730 From ???@??? Tue Oct 27 00:16:52 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id QAA04903; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 16:42:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 16:42:07 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: The Unit Circle Message-Id: <199810262116.QAA09957@keys.com> Subject: Re: echoplex or jamman? To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 16:16:33 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: <199810260004.BAA12612@mail.euroweb.hu> from "adam davidovics" at Oct 26, 98 01:04:30 am Content-Type: text Resent-Message-ID: <"0oUav2.0.bz7.USEDs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2431 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Have you looked at The Boomerang? It comes sort of in the middle between the two as far as features go. If you can afford the EDP, and want total options, it's probably the way to go. Kevin > > Hello guys! > > Im about to buy a looper tool. It'd be either a Jamman or an Echoplex DP. > > I've read thru the specs, but for me (im a beginner on this platform) it's > like the Echoplex beats the Jamman. > > But then, why some people choosing the Jamman instead the Echoplex? > > i can not afford the two, so please lighten me up! > > a/d > From ???@??? Tue Oct 27 00:16:49 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id QAA03316; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 16:36:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 16:36:06 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.32.19981026132001.006b7a64@popper.simi-valley.tt.slb.com > X-Sender: cavaleri@popper.simi-valley.tt.slb.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 13:20:02 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Joe Cavaleri Subject: Re: Vortex Now Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"QOmTu1.0.hs7._PEDs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2430 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Welcome to Vortexville... My only advise in using the beast.. if not doing so already, run your rig in stereo. joe At 03:55 PM 10/26/98 -0500, you wrote: >If any Vortex users have any tips they would like to pass along that >would be great. >This is the first time that I have been able to beat ya'll to the buy in >a year! >Jeff > >Jeff Duke wrote: > >> Thanks, I just snagged it! >> Jeff >> >> klaw@pop.iglou.com wrote: >> >> > Heads up -Vortex in box (unopened) $ 250- can probably deal. Music >> > Warehouse -Louisville Ky 502-456 -4730 > > > From ???@??? Tue Oct 27 00:16:57 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id RAA10930; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 17:11:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 17:11:02 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: PJBMHB@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 16:52:18 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Paul Motian's Trioism Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 41 Resent-Message-ID: <"gNkQJ1.0.ys1.vzEDs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2432 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com i was listening to this cd this morning and yesterday. frisell has an awful lot of loops going on this one. a lot of tough playing too. bill must have been in a bad mood when this was recorded because he really rages on some of these tunes. =-) PJ From ???@??? Tue Oct 27 00:17:03 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id RAA13702; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 17:26:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 17:26:05 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3634F23A.1BE9C90F@bellsouth.net> Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 17:05:46 -0500 From: Jeff Duke X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.07 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Vortex Now References: <3.0.32.19981026132001.006b7a64@popper.simi-valley.tt.slb.com > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"JtiXL2.0.YT2.p9FDs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2433 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sounds like the best excuse to finally do it. thanx, jeff Joe Cavaleri wrote: > Welcome to Vortexville... > > My only advise in using the beast.. if not doing so already, run your rig > in stereo. > > joe > > At 03:55 PM 10/26/98 -0500, you wrote: > >If any Vortex users have any tips they would like to pass along that > >would be great. > >This is the first time that I have been able to beat ya'll to the buy in > >a year! > >Jeff > > > >Jeff Duke wrote: > > > >> Thanks, I just snagged it! > >> Jeff > >> > >> klaw@pop.iglou.com wrote: > >> > >> > Heads up -Vortex in box (unopened) $ 250- can probably deal. Music > >> > Warehouse -Louisville Ky 502-456 -4730 > > > > > > From ???@??? Tue Oct 27 00:17:05 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id RAA15865; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 17:37:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 17:37:21 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3634F36B.44E5E118@jps.net> Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 14:10:51 -0800 From: Roland Eberle X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Vortex Now References: <3.0.32.19981026132001.006b7a64@popper.simi-valley.tt.slb.com > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"8rrtL.0.Nk2.6FFDs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2434 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com And get thyself an expression pedal! Joe Cavaleri wrote: > Welcome to Vortexville... > > My only advise in using the beast.. if not doing so already, run your rig > in stereo. > > joe > > At 03:55 PM 10/26/98 -0500, you wrote: > >If any Vortex users have any tips they would like to pass along that > >would be great. > >This is the first time that I have been able to beat ya'll to the buy in > >a year! > >Jeff > > > >Jeff Duke wrote: > > > >> Thanks, I just snagged it! > >> Jeff > >> > >> klaw@pop.iglou.com wrote: > >> > >> > Heads up -Vortex in box (unopened) $ 250- can probably deal. Music > >> > Warehouse -Louisville Ky 502-456 -4730 > > > > > > From ???@??? Tue Oct 27 00:17:06 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id SAA20483; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 18:04:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 18:04:24 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3634FBC7.FCB3DD7B@bellsouth.net> Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 17:46:31 -0500 From: Jeff Duke X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.07 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Vortex Now References: <3.0.32.19981026132001.006b7a64@popper.simi-valley.tt.slb.com > <3634F36B.44E5E118@jps.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"YISza2.0.4I4.wlFDs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2435 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Does the Vortex use a volume pedal as an expression pedal like my Digitech IPS 33B? hell I'll check the faq! jeff Roland Eberle wrote: > And get thyself an expression pedal! > > Joe Cavaleri wrote: > > > Welcome to Vortexville... > > > > My only advise in using the beast.. if not doing so already, run your rig > > in stereo. > > > > joe > > > > At 03:55 PM 10/26/98 -0500, you wrote: > > >If any Vortex users have any tips they would like to pass along that > > >would be great. > > >This is the first time that I have been able to beat ya'll to the buy in > > >a year! > > >Jeff > > > > > >Jeff Duke wrote: > > > > > >> Thanks, I just snagged it! > > >> Jeff > > >> > > >> klaw@pop.iglou.com wrote: > > >> > > >> > Heads up -Vortex in box (unopened) $ 250- can probably deal. Music > > >> > Warehouse -Louisville Ky 502-456 -4730 > > > > > > > > > From ???@??? Tue Oct 27 00:17:07 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id SAA21584; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 18:10:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 18:10:11 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3634FC9A.80E7FBA8@bellsouth.net> Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 17:50:02 -0500 From: Jeff Duke X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.07 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re Re: Vortex Now References: <3.0.32.19981026132001.006b7a64@popper.simi-valley.tt.slb.com > <3634F36B.44E5E118@jps.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Tip4m3.0.9Q4.ApFDs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2436 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Well the faq doesn't say. Sigh jeff Roland Eberle wrote: > And get thyself an expression pedal! > > Joe Cavaleri wrote: > > > Welcome to Vortexville... > > > > My only advise in using the beast.. if not doing so already, run your rig > > in stereo. > > > > joe > > > > At 03:55 PM 10/26/98 -0500, you wrote: > > >If any Vortex users have any tips they would like to pass along that > > >would be great. > > >This is the first time that I have been able to beat ya'll to the buy in > > >a year! > > >Jeff > > > > > >Jeff Duke wrote: > > > > > >> Thanks, I just snagged it! > > >> Jeff > > >> > > >> klaw@pop.iglou.com wrote: > > >> > > >> > Heads up -Vortex in box (unopened) $ 250- can probably deal. Music > > >> > Warehouse -Louisville Ky 502-456 -4730 > > > > > > > > > From ???@??? Tue Oct 27 00:17:45 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id SAA26184; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 18:43:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 18:43:38 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <36350587.B4C4A7D5@bellsouth.net> Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 18:28:07 -0500 From: Jeff Duke X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.07 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" CC: Mike Biffle Subject: Re: Vortex Now References: <3.0.32.19981026132001.006b7a64@popper.simi-valley.tt.slb.com > <3634F36B.44E5E118@jps.net> <3634FBC7.FCB3DD7B@bellsouth.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"RlvGm3.0.qy5.uMGDs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2437 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com What is the difference between a volume pedal and an expression pedal. jeff Jeff Duke wrote: > Does the Vortex use a volume pedal as an expression pedal like my Digitech IPS > 33B? > hell I'll check the faq! > jeff > > Roland Eberle wrote: > > > And get thyself an expression pedal! > > > > Joe Cavaleri wrote: > > > > > Welcome to Vortexville... > > > > > > My only advise in using the beast.. if not doing so already, run your rig > > > in stereo. > > > > > > joe > > > > > > At 03:55 PM 10/26/98 -0500, you wrote: > > > >If any Vortex users have any tips they would like to pass along that > > > >would be great. > > > >This is the first time that I have been able to beat ya'll to the buy in > > > >a year! > > > >Jeff > > > > > > > >Jeff Duke wrote: > > > > > > > >> Thanks, I just snagged it! > > > >> Jeff > > > >> > > > >> klaw@pop.iglou.com wrote: > > > >> > > > >> > Heads up -Vortex in box (unopened) $ 250- can probably deal. Music > > > >> > Warehouse -Louisville Ky 502-456 -4730 > > > > > > > > > > > > From ???@??? Tue Oct 27 00:17:32 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id TAA31873; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 19:22:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 19:22:24 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 00:39:36 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <199810262339.AAA20283@mail.euroweb.hu> X-Sender: absolute@mail.datanet.hu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: adam davidovics Subject: Re: echoplex or jamman? Resent-Message-ID: <"Tmkc33.0.fI7.qyGDs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2438 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 04:16 PM 10/26/98 -0500, you wrote: >Have you looked at The Boomerang? It comes sort of in the middle between >the two as far as features go. If you can afford the EDP, and want total >options, it's probably the way to go. what are the options? i though there is only a pedalboard! (the memory doesnt count!) how much would be such anyway? (the whole, i mean) im not buyin the tc2290. that's about 2200 USD. a/d From ???@??? Tue Oct 27 00:17:44 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id UAA04944; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 20:01:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 20:01:34 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: Subject: RE: [Fwd: [thewire] Unusual Guitar Sounds]+ sustainer Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 15:41:03 -0800 Message-ID: <002101be013a$1822fe30$26ee8fd1@jelbizri.linkexchange.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 In-Reply-To: <199810250653_MC2-5DFB-2E57@compuserve.com> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <"Y80vz.0.4R.ZPHDs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2441 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > > -------------------- Begin Original Message -------------------- > > Message text written by INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > > "The Coral Sitar Guitar used a floating bridge to simulate the sound > of a sitar. Someone published details of a way of fitting a metal > block near the bridge of a guitar so that it just touched the strings > and equally made a sitar-like sound - if anyone knows any more > about this, please contact me." > How about adding a sustainer to one of these? Has anyone with a sustainer guitar experimented muting/damping/buzzing the strings? I'm sure you would have to be very precise, but the idea of a infinitely buzzing guitar is very intriguing (sp) bIz > > -------------------- End Original Message -------------------- > > If anyone has info on that, please let us here know, too. > > From ???@??? Tue Oct 27 00:17:40 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id TAA01387; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 19:38:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 19:38:08 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.32.19981026161830.006b4744@popper.simi-valley.tt.slb.com > X-Sender: cavaleri@popper.simi-valley.tt.slb.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 16:18:32 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Joe Cavaleri Subject: Re: Vortex Now Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"bYjPv1.0.AS7.71HDs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2439 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com jeff , there is no difference between the two. I think what Roland was referring to is a voltage control pedal such as the roland EV5. I think that's the one I use. "That is of course unless you using a control voltage to control a volume parameter!" At 06:28 PM 10/26/98 -0500, you wrote: >What is the difference between a volume pedal and an expression pedal. >jeff > >Jeff Duke wrote: > >> Does the Vortex use a volume pedal as an expression pedal like my Digitech IPS >> 33B? >> hell I'll check the faq! >> jeff >> >> Roland Eberle wrote: >> >> > And get thyself an expression pedal! >> > >> > Joe Cavaleri wrote: >> > >> > > Welcome to Vortexville... >> > > >> > > My only advise in using the beast.. if not doing so already, run your rig >> > > in stereo. >> > > >> > > joe >> > > >> > > At 03:55 PM 10/26/98 -0500, you wrote: >> > > >If any Vortex users have any tips they would like to pass along that >> > > >would be great. >> > > >This is the first time that I have been able to beat ya'll to the buy in >> > > >a year! >> > > >Jeff >> > > > >> > > >Jeff Duke wrote: >> > > > >> > > >> Thanks, I just snagged it! >> > > >> Jeff >> > > >> >> > > >> klaw@pop.iglou.com wrote: >> > > >> >> > > >> > Heads up -Vortex in box (unopened) $ 250- can probably deal. Music >> > > >> > Warehouse -Louisville Ky 502-456 -4730 >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > From ???@??? Tue Oct 27 00:17:47 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id UAA11584; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 20:49:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 20:49:15 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <363522DE.164608DE@bellsouth.net> Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 20:33:18 -0500 From: Jeff Duke X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.07 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: [Fwd: [thewire] Unusual Guitar Sounds]+ sustainer References: <002101be013a$1822fe30$26ee8fd1@jelbizri.linkexchange.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"EcjGM3.0.oM2.XCIDs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2442 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com have any users noticed that when you use an E-Bow with a GR-30 you have to get the synth sound going first? ie; the Bow does'nt vibrate the strings enough. I have set the senitivity but it still does not grab it. I mean, I have to hit the note hard to start it, jeff Jonathan El-Bizri wrote: > > > > -------------------- Begin Original Message -------------------- > > > > Message text written by INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > > > > "The Coral Sitar Guitar used a floating bridge to simulate the sound > > of a sitar. Someone published details of a way of fitting a metal > > block near the bridge of a guitar so that it just touched the strings > > and equally made a sitar-like sound - if anyone knows any more > > about this, please contact me." > > > > How about adding a sustainer to one of these? > > Has anyone with a sustainer guitar experimented muting/damping/buzzing the > strings? I'm sure you would have to be very precise, but the idea of a > infinitely buzzing guitar is very intriguing (sp) > > bIz > > > > > -------------------- End Original Message -------------------- > > > > If anyone has info on that, please let us here know, too. > > > > From ???@??? Tue Oct 27 00:17:46 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id UAA11734; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 20:50:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 20:50:34 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <36352450.F976B476@bellsouth.net> Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 20:39:28 -0500 From: Jeff Duke X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.07 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: [Fwd: [thewire] Unusual Guitar Sounds]+ sustainer References: <002101be013a$1822fe30$26ee8fd1@jelbizri.linkexchange.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"cOu1c1.0.DZ2.3IIDs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2443 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I'm still contemplating , hmm an infinitly sustaining , damped, buzzing tone, I think that there are many methods of obtaining this with enough volume. jeff ps, I am investigating as I type Jonathan El-Bizri wrote: > > > > -------------------- Begin Original Message -------------------- > > > > Message text written by INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > > > > "The Coral Sitar Guitar used a floating bridge to simulate the sound > > of a sitar. Someone published details of a way of fitting a metal > > block near the bridge of a guitar so that it just touched the strings > > and equally made a sitar-like sound - if anyone knows any more > > about this, please contact me." > > > > How about adding a sustainer to one of these? > > Has anyone with a sustainer guitar experimented muting/damping/buzzing the > strings? I'm sure you would have to be very precise, but the idea of a > infinitely buzzing guitar is very intriguing (sp) > > bIz > > > > > -------------------- End Original Message -------------------- > > > > If anyone has info on that, please let us here know, too. > > > > From ???@??? Tue Oct 27 00:18:07 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id WAA23805; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 22:13:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 22:13:08 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 20:51:52 -0500 (EST) From: Todd Pafford X-Sender: todd@galen.dyn.ml.org Reply-To: Todd Pafford To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Vortex Now (expression pedals) In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19981026161830.006b4744@popper.simi-valley.tt.slb.com > Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"aNrPB3.0.UC5.pPJDs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2445 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com On Mon, 26 Oct 1998, Joe Cavaleri wrote: > jeff , there is no difference between the two. > I think what Roland was referring to is a voltage control pedal such as the > roland EV5. I think that's the one I use. "That is of course unless you > using a control voltage to control a volume parameter!" > Just a heads up to those of you looking for the fabled EV5. I looked and looked for one when I got a hold of my Vortex, but with no luck. Perhaps Roland has stopped producing this pedal? In any case, I picked up their FV5 and it works as well (just need a different cable). My only complaint is that the FV5's response curve is odd (almost parabolic?). It's VERY responsive in the first 20% of the pedal swing, then it cools out to give a flatter curve. Do any of you folk know how I can flatten out the curve to get a more uniform response through the pedal swing? As it is now, the first 20-30% of pedal swing takes my Vortex from 1-50 with the last 70-80% of the swing taking me up to 64. Is this behavior standard in E/FV pedals or is mine just whacky? --- "If the doors of perception were cleansed everything would appear to man as it is, infinite." -- William Blake Todd Pafford galen@erols.com From ???@??? Tue Oct 27 00:17:52 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id VAA14364; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 21:07:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 21:07:49 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 20:55:18 -0500 (EST) X-Sender: jimarnt@mail.interlog.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: jimarnt@interlog.com (Jim Arnott) Subject: Re: GR-30 and Guitar Craft Tuning Resent-Message-ID: <"ZkuLd.0.P53.FXIDs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2444 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Re New standard tuning question: I think the problem is caused by the fact that the low C vibrates at a slower rate and therefore the note is recognized by the hex pick-up less quickly. Is the problem worse when fretting notes as opposed to when the open string is let ring? If it is, try a thicker gauge string. A light gauge string tuned down to the low C can really vary widely with respect to pitch, due to inconsistent finger pressuse throughout the time the note is fretted. This is a big problem for me using the tuning on acoustic guitar. The Hex pickup may be having trouble recognizing pitch when it varies outside of certain tolerences. I know that Fripp is a proponent of using the thickest gauge strings one can stand. Perhaps this is not only for reasons of improved tonality. Just a thought - Jim >Not "loop specific", but I'm certain there are other guitarists on this >alias using a Roland GR-30 Guitar Synth (or maybe a VG-8, or other synth >with a hex pickup) with a guitar tuned with the "new standard tuning" >used in Guitar Craft. > >When I drop the bass string to a C, the GR-30 has a real difficult time >figuring out the frequency of the string. It'll jump back and forth >from the low C to any number of frequencies that it picks up from the >harmonics. Has anyone else experienced this? Any suggestions or >resolutions? > >Thanks, >Greg > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From ???@??? Mon Oct 26 10:25:23 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id MAA19320; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 12:22:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 12:22:20 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19981026190817.09178f68@mailhost.elec.gla.ac.uk> X-Sender: pycraft@mailhost.elec.gla.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (16) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 19:08:17 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Michael Pycraft Hughes PhD Subject: Sustainers and Sustainiac... In-Reply-To: <00141FB7.C21407@wj.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"ZdzFt.0.FL4.1wADs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2422 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > Maybe with heavy lobbying Fernandez would consider selling the sustainer > separately. They do: in this country they cost ~£270 (~$400) for pickups and circuitry. > Anybody ever take one of these things apart? Know how it works? Could we > cobble one together? Take the output of the bridge pickup, and put it trough an amplifier capable of delivering ~10mA, then drive it into the neck pickup rewired with 1/2 - 1/3 as many turns of 2-3x thicker wire. Easy. (Been planning to do this myself - have the cct etc, but haven't been able to afford the pickup rewire) Michael Dr Michael Pycraft Hughes, University of Glasgow, Glasgow UK G12 8QQ -------------------------------------------------------------------- "Confront your enemies, avoid them when you can - a gentleman will walk but never run" -Sting, "Englishman in New York" -------------------------------------------------------------------- www.elec.gla.ac.uk/~pycraft pycraft@elec.gla.ac.uk From ???@??? Tue Oct 27 00:18:10 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id XAA31251; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 23:07:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 23:07:15 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <2.2.32.19981027035151.009738b8@pop.chromatic.com> X-Sender: kflint@pop.chromatic.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 19:51:51 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Vortex Now (expression pedals) Resent-Message-ID: <"KXw8P3.0.C47.SDKDs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2446 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 08:51 PM 10/26/98 -0500, you wrote: >On Mon, 26 Oct 1998, Joe Cavaleri wrote: > >> jeff , there is no difference between the two. >> I think what Roland was referring to is a voltage control pedal such as the >> roland EV5. I think that's the one I use. "That is of course unless you >> using a control voltage to control a volume parameter!" >> > >Just a heads up to those of you looking for the fabled EV5. I looked and >looked for one when I got a hold of my Vortex, but with no luck. Perhaps >Roland has stopped producing this pedal? In any case, I picked up their >FV5 and it works as well (just need a different cable). > >My only complaint is that the FV5's response curve is odd (almost >parabolic?). It's VERY responsive in the first 20% of the pedal swing, >then it cools out to give a flatter curve. Do any of you folk know how I >can flatten out the curve to get a more uniform response through the >pedal swing? As it is now, the first 20-30% of pedal swing takes my >Vortex from 1-50 with the last 70-80% of the swing taking me up to 64. > >Is this behavior standard in E/FV pedals or is mine just whacky? That is standard for a volume pedal. That's because volume is best controlled with "log taper" potentiometers, where the resistance through the pot changes in a logarithmic fashion. (for your ears, this sounds like a smooth increase in sound as you move through the range.) Expression pedals usually use a linear taper pot, where the resistance changes linearly through the range. When you use one in place of the other, you get the sort of experience you are having. Most of the change occurs in a very small range of the pot. If you are willing to do a little soldering, change the potentiometer in the pedal to something like a 20k linear taper pot. They should be easy to find. kim ________________________________________________________ Kim Flint, MTS 408-752-9284 Chromatic Research kflint@chromatic.com http://www.chromatic.com From ???@??? Tue Oct 27 00:18:11 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id XAA01863; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 23:34:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 23:34:13 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: M3chakucha@aol.com Message-ID: <272964fa.363549ec@aol.com> Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 23:19:56 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [Fwd: [thewire] Unusual Guitar Sounds]+ sustainer Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Resent-Message-ID: <"A51xy3.0.u6.wfKDs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2447 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com My experience with the E-Bow has been that the pickups in the guitar are going to make or break the added analogue synth. With the GR-30, 50, 10 and the 1 the E-Bow will sometimes not trigger the synthesizer because of placement of the E-Bow and possibly the GK-2a (or other like Hex pickup) is not close enough to the bridge of the guitar. One problem that I've been running into on my little rig, (a GR-50, Carvin doubleneck with a gk-2a and an older metal cased E-bow or the plastic one) is that the GR-50 will warble/yodel a bit with the power dives or with long glisses, this seems to be a common problem. The AXON/Yamaha tend to do this more readily, but they do track a little better than the Roland brain boxes when using a plectrum or your fingers (with the apropos setting, of course.) Sorry, that this is not the typical Loop material and is a little more suited to Digital Guitar Digest or MIDI Guitar Network's pages. Tchus, Lee-ohki. From ???@??? Tue Oct 27 00:18:16 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id AAA10926; Tue, 27 Oct 1998 00:56:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 00:56:56 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 00:41:35 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: am i missing something? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 170 Resent-Message-ID: <"1iCh53.0.mG2.5sLDs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2448 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com whats up with this talk about "crafty" gumba's guitar tunings.....do i have to be a gentleman or a fripporino fan to get some insite into this? i have to find someone to show me this tuning before i can be taught by the master? i am at a loss! but this is not new for me.......sounds a bit esoteric.......anyone care to enlighten me off-list about this? im always up for new guitar sounds......thanks.......michael p.s. imho, for any new loopers, the boomerang is the way to go to get your feet wet. you are up and running right out of the box, looping your brains out with no learning curve, add ons, nor frustration. but i am somewhat simple and would rather play than push a lot of buttons and get the right foot-controlers and up-grade simms etc. i become more techno-phobic with every passing day. i know it is only a matter of time before all my equipment turns on me and refuses to work. its been a really hard few days and i hope i dont sound like a smart- ass....loop on one and all.......michael From ???@??? Tue Oct 27 01:33:03 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id EAA29004; Tue, 27 Oct 1998 04:15:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 04:15:46 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <36358B57.BC6418FE@vete.ucl.ac.be> Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 09:59:03 +0100 From: Malhomme Reply-To: malhomme@vete.ucl.ac.be X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [fr] (Macintosh; I; PPC) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re:sustain (again) References: <199810270156.UAA12597@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"OiFbM1.0.co6.0kODs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2450 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Dear michael, this instructions sound very ineteresting.. "Take the output of the bridge pickup, and put it trough an amplifier capable of delivering ~10mA, then drive it into the neck pickup rewired with 1/2 - 1/3 as many turns of 2-3x thicker wire. Easy. (Been planning to do this myself - have the cct etc, but haven't been able to afford the pickup rewire) " But how did you get this choice between harmonic rank (1, 2 and 3rd???) Olivier Malhomme From ???@??? Tue Oct 27 01:33:02 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id EAA28986; Tue, 27 Oct 1998 04:15:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 04:15:31 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <36358C1E.614F9572@vete.ucl.ac.be> Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 10:02:22 +0100 From: Malhomme Reply-To: malhomme@vete.ucl.ac.be X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [fr] (Macintosh; I; PPC) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re:gauge References: <199810270805.DAA23838@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"69vap2.0.vn6.NjODs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2449 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com On the other hand, the Stick shows that U get a better sound with thin gauge (compared to guitar) better meaning a richer harmonic content... "I know that Fripp is a proponent of using the thickest gauge strings one can stand. Perhaps this is not only for reasons of improved tonality." Olivier Mlahomme From ???@??? Tue Oct 27 10:50:44 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id FAA02394; Tue, 27 Oct 1998 05:25:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 05:25:11 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 02:12:31 -0700 From: "Duncan Henderson" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Cc: X-Sent-Mail: off Reply-To: X-Mailer: MailCity Service Subject: don't E-mail me please any more X-Sender-Ip: 194.192.100.84 Organization: IGNMail (http://www.ignmail.com:80) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"pquzy2.0.14.vpPDs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2455 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com i do not know wy you keep on E-mailing me bot please stop i hope you understand IGNMail, the coolest free e-mail on the planet, tells people that you are a hardcore gamer. Get your free account at http://www.ignmail.com today! From ???@??? Tue Oct 27 10:50:56 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id FAA03505; Tue, 27 Oct 1998 05:31:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 05:31:46 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 02:16:53 -0700 From: "Duncan Henderson" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Cc: X-Sent-Mail: off Reply-To: X-Mailer: MailCity Service Subject: you can stop can you X-Sender-Ip: 194.192.100.84 Organization: IGNMail (http://www.ignmail.com:80) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"IAkRR.0.V9.0uPDs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2457 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com i do not know wy you do it...but please stop there is no reason wy you keep E-mailing me but keep it under your ovn shirt and don't E-mail any more... >From Homofist@ilovelara.com .....:( IGNMail, the coolest free e-mail on the planet, tells people that you are a hardcore gamer. Get your free account at http://www.ignmail.com today! From ???@??? Tue Oct 27 02:03:27 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id EAA30734; Tue, 27 Oct 1998 04:43:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 04:43:01 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <2813d08e.36359295@aol.com> Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 04:29:57 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Vortex Tips Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 171 Resent-Message-ID: <"S86Rh.0.qK7.sBPDs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2451 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tip one Use a notebook to write down patches you find. Tip two i) power up vortex while holding both 'A/B' and 'reg/preset' ii) turn preset knob until OB appears, (or OA). iii) press reg/pre button. iv) turn reg/pre knob to produce a series of tones v) parameter knob varies volume This would seem to be a very high quality sine wave generator, 125Hz to 16kHz Tip three http://members.aol.com/soundfnr/vortex.htm Andy Butler From ???@??? Tue Oct 27 02:03:30 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id EAA31756; Tue, 27 Oct 1998 04:55:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 04:55:51 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 01:42:28 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: guitar nerds running amuck Resent-Message-ID: <"v5dns3.0.Oa7.JPPDs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2452 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com So I went away on vacation for a while, leaving you folks on your own. When I come back, what do I find? Reams of mail on "how to infinitely sustain you-know-who's favorite guitar tuning on a midified coral electric sitar" or something interminable like that. jeez! I'm reminded of the old joke, how do you get the guitar player to turn down the volume? Except it's like some kind of nightmare where I can never find the cyber-sheetmusic..... :-) I'm confident that someone will eventually remember the list topic...... kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Tue Oct 27 02:28:14 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id FAA00468; Tue, 27 Oct 1998 05:16:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 05:16:12 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 10:53:56 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <199810270953.KAA06354@mail.euroweb.hu> X-Sender: absolute@mail.datanet.hu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: mailto: From: adam davidovics Subject: another q: Resent-Message-ID: <"H5TuS.0.wl7.wXPDs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2453 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Why people buying a Vortex next to their Jamman? I'm about to get an Echoplex. (is it available with no problems anyway?) Thank for those who made me decide getting it instead the Jamman. But i've got an extremely good offer for the Vortex (i could exchange it for a Fatar SL161 masterkeyboard, damn cheap). Could the Vortex do anything useful next to the Echoplex? a/d From ???@??? Tue Oct 27 10:51:03 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id FAA04864; Tue, 27 Oct 1998 05:38:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 05:38:57 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 05:12:10 -0500 From: Andreas Willers Subject: Re: GR-30 and Guitar Craft Tuning Sender: Andreas Willers To: "INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Message-ID: <199810270512_MC2-5E20-9944@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"LXVOu3.0.y2.6pPDs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2454 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com -------------------- Begin Original Message -------------------- Message text written by INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com "I know that Fripp is a proponent of using the thickest gauge strings one can stand. Perhaps this is not only for reasons of improved tonality. Just a thought - Jim" -------------------- End Original Message -------------------- Maybe you can share the secrets of the Fripp tuning with us who happen to be unenlighted punks? After quite some experimentation with 7-, 8-stringers and low tunings (since I always liked the sound of pitched playback-tapes, LOOPERS etc.) I finally arrived at baritone instruments with a scale length almost as long as a short scale bass which I play as sixstringers since it is a great format. Even on those I use at least an 062 for the B note one fourth beneath the standard low E. Everything else sounds crap to me. No offense here, a guitar simply isn't built to handle pitches below D w.o. causing problems in tuning, timing etc. Best, Andreas From ???@??? Tue Oct 27 10:50:54 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id FAA02672; Tue, 27 Oct 1998 05:27:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 05:27:10 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 05:12:35 -0500 From: Andreas Willers Subject: Re: GR-30 and Guitar Craft Tuning Sender: Andreas Willers To: "INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Message-ID: <199810270512_MC2-5E20-9947@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"JlvGr3.0.G4.xpPDs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2456 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com -------------------- Begin Original Message -------------------- Message text written by INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com "I know that Fripp is a proponent of using the thickest gauge strings one can stand. Perhaps this is not only for reasons of improved tonality. Just a thought - Jim" -------------------- End Original Message -------------------- Maybe you can share the secrets of the Fripp tuning with us who happen to be unenlighted punks? After quite some experimentation with 7-, 8-stringers and low tunings (since I always liked the sound of pitched playback-tapes, LOOPERS etc.) I finally arrived at baritone instruments with a scale length almost as long as a short scale bass which I play as sixstringers since it is a great format. Even on those I use at least an 062 for the B note one fourth beneath the standard low E. Everything else sounds crap to me. No offense here, a guitar simply isn't built to handle pitches below D w.o. causing problems in tuning, timing etc. Best, Andreas From ???@??? Tue Oct 27 10:51:06 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id FAA05558; Tue, 27 Oct 1998 05:44:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 05:44:34 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 05:21:11 -0500 From: Andreas Willers Subject: RE: [Fwd: [thewire] Unusual Guitar Sounds]+ sustainer Sender: Andreas Willers To: "INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Message-ID: <199810270521_MC2-5E2B-B9BC@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"JfGaq3.0.yR.ixPDs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2458 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com -------------------- Begin Original Message -------------------- Message text written by INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com "Has anyone with a sustainer guitar experimented muting/damping/buzzing the strings? I'm sure you would have to be very precise, but the idea of a infinitely buzzing guitar is very intriguing (sp) bIz " -------------------- End Original Message -------------------- I just tried to e-bow my Jerry Jones el. sitar (new copy of the Coral). Since the e-bowing takes away the attack of the buzzing sitar note it doesn't sound soo much different from using the e.bow on a standard guitar. But nice, anyway, thaks for bringing it up! Andreas From ???@??? Tue Oct 27 10:51:01 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id FAA03981; Tue, 27 Oct 1998 05:35:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 05:35:02 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 05:21:17 -0500 From: Andreas Willers Subject: RE: [Fwd: [thewire] Unusual Guitar Sounds]+ sustainer Sender: Andreas Willers To: "INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Message-ID: <199810270521_MC2-5E2B-B9BE@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"5sfxM2.0.QT.IyPDs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2459 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com -------------------- Begin Original Message -------------------- Message text written by INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com "Has anyone with a sustainer guitar experimented muting/damping/buzzing the strings? I'm sure you would have to be very precise, but the idea of a infinitely buzzing guitar is very intriguing (sp) bIz " -------------------- End Original Message -------------------- I just tried to e-bow my Jerry Jones el. sitar (new copy of the Coral). Since the e-bowing takes away the attack of the buzzing sitar note it doesn't sound soo much different from using the e.bow on a standard guitar. But nice, anyway, thaks for bringing it up! Andreas From ???@??? Tue Oct 27 10:51:09 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id GAA09763; Tue, 27 Oct 1998 06:12:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 06:12:52 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: clay@mail.iinet.net.au Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 18:56:25 +0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Clayton Chipper Subject: 2 footpedals 1 echoplex? Resent-Message-ID: <"k-yzR.0.ty1.aTQDs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2460 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com we own an echoplex and want to use 2 footpedals for the one echoplex so 2 of us can control looping at the same time. is this possible From ???@??? Tue Oct 27 10:51:15 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id GAA12499; Tue, 27 Oct 1998 06:38:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 06:38:04 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3635AD44.3EBCC629@bellsouth.net> Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 06:23:49 -0500 From: Jeff Duke X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.07 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: guitar nerds running amuck References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"4Wu3o1.0.jm2.prQDs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2461 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Kim and co., I laughed so hard at this "how to infinitely sustain you-know-who's favorite guitar tuning on a midified coral electric sitar" that people around me thought that something was seriously wrong with me. And I couldn't explain the joke. jeff Kim Flint wrote: > So I went away on vacation for a while, leaving you folks on your own. When > I come back, what do I find? Reams of mail on "how to infinitely sustain > you-know-who's favorite guitar tuning on a midified coral electric sitar" > or something interminable like that. > > jeez! > > I'm reminded of the old joke, how do you get the guitar player to turn down > the volume? > > Except it's like some kind of nightmare where I can never find the > cyber-sheetmusic..... > > :-) > I'm confident that someone will eventually remember the list topic...... > > kim > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html > http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Tue Oct 27 00:17:41 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id TAA02586; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 19:46:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 19:46:18 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Subject: Re: Paul Motian's Trioism Date: Tue, 27 Oct 98 05:38:46 -0600 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: Doug Tapia To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Message-ID: <1302699153-110778913@arts.unco.edu> Resent-Message-ID: <"XOOgV1.0.LJ.aMHDs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2440 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >Subject: Paul Motian's Trioism >Sent: 10/26/98 3:52 PM >Received: 10/27/98 5:01 AM >From: PJBMHB@aol.com >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > >i was listening to this cd this morning and yesterday. frisell has an awful >lot of loops going on this one. a lot of tough playing too. bill must have >been in a bad mood when this was recorded because he really rages on some of >these tunes. =-) PJ > Bill is always really slick about his looping. It's one of those things that the casual listener might not notice (espically in context of some of the complex tunes he plays and the fact that he rarely uses 4 bar loops) if they aren't pointed out. (This as opposed to say, oh I don't know. . . Frip?!?) If you've ever met Bill, I think you'd agree that it would be rare to find him in a bad mood--especially if he's playing music. You should check him out on the Naked City stuff if you've never heard him rage: It's a side he explores on occasion. Also check out Power Tools and Marc Johnson's Bass Desires (Both _Bass Desires_ and _Second Sight_) Peace, Doug From ???@??? Wed Oct 28 00:01:05 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id OAA25953; Tue, 27 Oct 1998 14:58:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 14:58:52 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199810271942.LAA22906@avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Subject: Lexicon JamMan for sale... Date: Tue, 27 Oct 98 12:42:42 -0000 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: votive To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <"XICuv1.0.Gb5.P9YDs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2474 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I've got one brand new in the plastic.... anybody want it?? Give me a call or an email! Eric E. _______________________________________________________________________ "For every thousand hacking at the branches of evil, there is one striking at the root." Thoreau _______________________________________________________________________ Eric E. Votive Music, Bx 20052, Spokane WA 99204 www.yd.org/eric.htm, votive@earthlink.net 1-509-838-8103, fax1-509-838-2371 From ???@??? Tue Oct 27 10:51:39 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id IAA22260; Tue, 27 Oct 1998 08:15:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 08:15:29 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 06:49:42 -0600 (CST) Sender: crash@waste.org From: Todd Madson To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Crafty Tunings Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"Dm28s.0.Jn4.h6SDs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2462 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com It's (from low to high) C G D A E G The C to be used is below the low E on the regular EADGBE tuning. The G is the same pitch as the low E at the 3rd fret in EADGBE. The D is the same old D you have always used. The A is self-explanatory... The E is the same as the old first string in EADGBE The G is, of course, really high and tight and can break on occasion. If you have a seven string guitar, the low B should be tuned to A, as far as I've read so it is ACGDAEG, low to high. No, you don't have to be a "fripporino", whatever that is. I never attended a class but messed with the tuning and liked it - was able to write some interesting tunes with it. It does get you out of ruts, but most new tunings would if you have musical inclinations. Beware though: if you have a Floyd Rose bridge, be very careful because the heavier tension at the higher strings may cause your bridge pieces to crack from metal fatigue. I tried this tuning on a Floyd equipped guitar that had the bridge for about 5 years and was used to a .009 set of strings. I ran into 2 cracked bridge saddles due to my experimentation on this, but only after two or three weeks at this tuning. My recommendation: find a fixed bridge instrument to do this on, such as a Les Paul or Telecaster or hardtail strat. Your mileage may vary. Oh, the low strings work great for looping. -t From ???@??? Tue Oct 27 10:51:30 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id IAA21644; Tue, 27 Oct 1998 08:12:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 08:12:08 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 06:51:00 -0600 (CST) Sender: crash@waste.org From: Todd Madson To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Guitar synth guys Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"Y2An81.0.op4.48SDs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2463 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Why don't you guys turn the oscillator that the low-e string triggers down an octave instead of tuning your guitar string down an octave? You can do this, you know. -Todd From ???@??? Tue Oct 27 10:51:31 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id IAA21716; Tue, 27 Oct 1998 08:12:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 08:12:44 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 06:55:02 -0600 (CST) Sender: crash@waste.org From: Todd Madson To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Sustainer by Fernandes Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"sVxH5.0.fu4.tBSDs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2464 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Oh, a higher quality guitar that has the Sustainer built-in is a guitar made by Jackson (usually known for more high powered, scythe shaped axes) called the PC1 (so named for Phil Collen of Def Leppard?!). It's a strat shaped guitar with a birdseye maple neck and curly maple cap on (I think) an ash, alder or poplar body and has the sustainer built in as a standard option. It evidently comes either with a Floyd Rose or a Wilkinson trem. It's a nice looking guitar (especially the all natural one, matches nicely with the birdseye maple on the neck). You may want to check one out if you don't want to carve up your fave instrument to get one of those sustainer thingies installed. -t From ???@??? Tue Oct 27 10:53:10 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id MAA27839; Tue, 27 Oct 1998 12:21:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 12:21:28 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: floyd@voicenet.com Date: 27 Oct 1998 16:47:20 -0000 Message-ID: <19981027164720.26032.qmail@unix01.voicenet.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Guitar synth guys Resent-Message-ID: <"rRR1k2.0.js4.XbVDs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2465 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Todd Madson wrote: > > Why don't you guys turn the oscillator that the low-e string triggers > down an octave instead of tuning your guitar string down an octave? > Better yet, restring the guitar to use all Hi-E strings .010 or whatever, and program the Guitar-to-MIDI converter to shift the MIDI notes it sends for each string. Then you get equal tracking response on all strings. Of course this makes the guitar almost useless as a regular guitar. From ???@??? Tue Oct 27 10:53:22 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id NAA05565; Tue, 27 Oct 1998 13:10:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 13:10:56 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19981027174949.25686.rocketmail@send101.yahoomail.com> Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 09:49:49 -0800 (PST) From: Bret Subject: Re: 2 footpedals 1 echoplex? To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"lgEbS2.0.lP.NXWDs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2466 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Clayton, Yes, you can wire the 2 footpedals in parallel. Make or buy a Y splitter for 1/4" phone plugs, connect both footpedals and the EDP together via the splitter. bret ---Clayton Chipper wrote: > > we own an echoplex and want to use 2 footpedals for the one echoplex so 2 > of us can control looping at the same time. > > is this possible > > > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From ???@??? Tue Oct 27 10:53:30 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id NAA07258; Tue, 27 Oct 1998 13:20:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 13:20:23 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: robm@mailgate.nytimes.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 12:57:02 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: rob monn Subject: Procrastination feature ideas Resent-Message-ID: <"CnpNz.0.uc.-aWDs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2467 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hello Ken, wow! thanks for your reply. I'm saving up for MSP right now. I already have MAX, and love it. I would love to be involved with this project in any way I can be. I use my powerbook in a live situation as an effects processor (as well as for other things.) I have four main things I'd love to see tis program do: * tap tempo * time display * two more modes: loop/overdub and loop/replace * selectable internal routing These features would make the program work like four Lexicon Jam Men with some routing ability. __tap_tempo__ What I meant by tap tempo would be more clearly stated "I'd love to be able to tap in the loop length like this: click to start a loop running and then x seconds later click to close the loop, at which time the sound recorded after the first tap would start to come out. I like the way my Jam MAn does this with looping and delay. It allows you to lock the delay into the rhytm of music. That would be VERY useful and would likely transform the way most loopers do their music. Also cool on the Jam Man is the ability to tap a delay period and then divide it. It works like this: tap on the 1 of a bar and then on the next 1, making a loop exactly one bar long. On the jam man you can then DIVIDE this period by 1/2, 1/3 or 1/4... making a delay period be a half a bar a quarter note triplet (in 4/4) or a quarter of a bar. I use this in crazy ways to get my delays to work against the time... an arbitrary division would be awesome. You might implement this as a blank labelled divisor where you can type in a number. Making this dynamic so that you could switch the divisor without stopping the sound would be great, but seems hard, maybe it could switch it at the beginning of the next iteration? The dynamic switching wouldn't be as important as the period division feature. ___time_display____ I think that the best way would be to put a countdown timer in the window for each buffer. something that showed the seconds counting back. Also, like the jam man you could have the TAP button flash with each cycle of the loop/delay. These things would indicate some timing info for each delay and would help a user tell what was coming from where. ___two_new_modes___ A switch on each buffer that would toggle between loop/replace, loop/overdub and delay mode would really expand the abilities of the program. This is another feature which would be similar to the Jam Man's funtionality: loop/replace: Tap to start the loop, the buffer fills until the next tap, which closes the loop, which then plays on until another tap starts the process over again, clearing the buffer. loop/overdub: Tap starts the loop, the buffer fills and a tap closes the loop, the next tap puts the player in 'overdub' mode, which dubs the played sound on to the loop, the next tap takes you out of overdub mode. This can go on till you hit clear and reset it. Delay mode: adjustable feedback delay with manual or tapped tempo. In the two loop modes the manual time setting could be used instead of a second tap... if you set the period to :35, :35 after you tap once the loop will close. ____internal_rounting_____ Something that would also really add power to the thing would be the ability to 'patch' the ins and outs of the system. where the L + R audio goes and where the out of each delay bank goes, finally to the L + R audio outs. If you read this far, thanks for staying with me, these are just the suggestions for my dream program, not anything that I would expect anyone to slave over just for me. However, know that you would sell a ton of Macs if these features were a reality. You would change the way a lot of loopers made music with this -- it could be one of the most powerful audio tools out there. thanks for your time and write mw for a reason or no reason at all, _________________________________ /robb monn -- robm@nytimes.com | From ???@??? Wed Oct 28 00:00:50 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id OAA18713; Tue, 27 Oct 1998 14:24:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 14:24:02 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: "Loopers-Delight" Subject: RE: gauge Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 10:01:44 -0800 Message-ID: <000501be01d3$dbaedd30$26ee8fd1@jelbizri.linkexchange.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 In-Reply-To: <36361056.5243089F@vete.ucl.ac.be> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <"xg8Kr.0.yU3.PXXDs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2471 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tone is the most subjective of topics. Imagine trying to play a fast funk rhythm guitar with a Stevie Ray Vaughn tone and strings (he used light >bass< strings on his guitar(!!!) )- it wouldn't sound like funk guitar would it? That may not be a perfect example, but I think you get the idea There may not be a perfect string, but if I read your message right, what you mean is a string that played the infinitely highest harmonic content of a string pluck/tap/hammer etc. When you tried the new 'light' set of strings, were they the same age/cleanliness of the heavy ones, and had they had the same amount of use? Any new set of strings is going to sounds much more 'alive' and 'tinkly' than an old one. Are you sure that this was not what you were hearing? Not that I am an expert on sticks of strings, but have noticed that a lot of a chapman stick's tone is caused the the actual action of hitting the metal fret against the string, as opposed to plucking the string with a plectrum or your fingers. Next time you have a stick in your hands, try plucking the strings - it sounds a lot more like a guitar that I thought it would. > -----Original Message----- > From: Malhomme [mailto:malhomme@vete.ucl.ac.be] > Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 1998 10:27 AM > To: Jonathan El-Bizri > Subject: Re: gauge > > > I guess that Stick string are more close to a "perfect string". > But I then tested this on a guitar with extremely light gauge > (far lighter than > usual), and I find the sound richer, not thicker, but with a more > brilliant > sound (uneasy tofind words!!!) > > > Olivier Malhomme > > From ???@??? Wed Oct 28 00:00:52 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id OAA20328; Tue, 27 Oct 1998 14:31:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 14:31:59 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: Subject: RE: Procrastination feature ideas Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 10:04:31 -0800 Message-ID: <000601be01d4$3f453fb0$26ee8fd1@jelbizri.linkexchange.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <"WX5N41.0.Fd3.CaXDs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2472 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I'd really like to see a PC equivalent of this program, though I would assume a port is an unrealistic idea. A more directly useful suggestion, though: VST plugin comatibility. Wouldn't this rock? It would be awesome to be able to use a looper in an audio sequencer, have it synched to midi and automate the controls! and you could have as many loops as you like, of different sizes and shapes, by running more plugins. This would get even crazier if a VST effect loop could be added inside the plugin, for feedback effects. Wouldn't all this rock? Maybe Dave Brown (isn't that the guy who does all those free VST plugins?) would be the one to talk to. > -----Original Message----- > From: rob monn [mailto:robm@nytimes.com] > Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 1998 9:57 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Subject: Procrastination feature ideas > > > Hello Ken, > > wow! thanks for your reply. I'm saving up for MSP right now. I already > have MAX, and love it. > > I would love to be involved with this project in any way I can be. I use > my powerbook in a live situation as an effects processor (as well as for > other things.) > > I have four main things I'd love to see tis program do: > > * tap tempo > * time display > * two more modes: loop/overdub and loop/replace > * selectable internal routing > > These features would make the program work like four Lexicon Jam Men with > some routing ability. > > __tap_tempo__ > > What I meant by tap tempo would be more clearly stated "I'd love > to be able > to tap in the loop length like this: click to start a loop running and > then x seconds later click to close the loop, at which time the sound > recorded after the first tap would start to come out. I like the way my > Jam MAn does this with looping and delay. It allows you to lock the delay > into the rhytm of music. That would be VERY useful and would likely > transform the way most loopers do their music. > > Also cool on the Jam Man is the ability to tap a delay period and then > divide it. It works like this: tap on the 1 of a bar and then > on the next > 1, making a loop exactly one bar long. On the jam man you can then DIVIDE > this period by 1/2, 1/3 or 1/4... making a delay period be a half a bar a > quarter note triplet (in 4/4) or a quarter of a bar. I use this in crazy > ways to get my delays to work against the time... an arbitrary division > would be awesome. > > You might implement this as a blank labelled divisor where you can type in > a number. Making this dynamic so that you could switch the > divisor without > stopping the sound would be great, but seems hard, maybe it could > switch it > at the beginning of the next iteration? The dynamic switching wouldn't be > as important as the period division feature. > > > > > ___time_display____ > > I think that the best way would be to put a countdown timer in the window > for each buffer. something that showed the seconds counting back. Also, > like the jam man you could have the TAP button flash with each > cycle of the > loop/delay. These things would indicate some timing info for each > delay and > would help a user tell what was coming from where. > > > > ___two_new_modes___ > > A switch on each buffer that would toggle between loop/replace, > loop/overdub and delay mode would really expand the abilities of the > program. This is another feature which would be similar to the Jam Man's > funtionality: > > loop/replace: Tap to start the loop, the buffer fills until the next tap, > which closes the loop, which then plays on until another tap starts the > process over again, clearing the buffer. > > loop/overdub: Tap starts the loop, the buffer fills and a tap closes the > loop, the next tap puts the player in 'overdub' mode, which dubs > the played > sound on to the loop, the next tap takes you out of overdub mode. > This can > go on till you hit clear and reset it. > > Delay mode: adjustable feedback delay with manual or tapped tempo. > > In the two loop modes the manual time setting could be used instead of a > second tap... if you set the period to :35, :35 after you tap once the > loop will close. > > > ____internal_rounting_____ > > Something that would also really add power to the thing would be the > ability to 'patch' the ins and outs of the system. where the L + R audio > goes and where the out of each delay bank goes, finally to the L + R audio > outs. > > > If you read this far, thanks for staying with me, these are just the > suggestions for my dream program, not anything that I would expect anyone > to slave over just for me. However, know that you would sell a > ton of Macs > if these features were a reality. You would change the way a lot of > loopers made music with this -- it could be one of the most powerful audio > tools out there. > > thanks for your time and write mw for a reason or no reason at all, > > > > > _________________________________ > /robb monn -- robm@nytimes.com | > > > From ???@??? Tue Oct 27 11:14:57 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id NAA13488; Tue, 27 Oct 1998 13:55:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 13:55:34 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3636128D.C20CE098@bellsouth.net> Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 13:35:57 -0500 From: Jeff Duke X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.07 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Vortex Tips References: <2813d08e.36359295@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"JM_06.0.IU2.6BXDs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2468 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi Andy, Tip one is good advice, if you checkout LaLa at my page you will hear what I have never been able to recreate. Back in the early 90s I had an attitude where I just twiddled knobs until I heard something,heh. ie; i never wrote it down or recorded it. I have never been able to find the exact combo of settings to repeat this tune. Somebody else grabbed a boom box out of their car and recorded all the Techno Babble tunes on the page. Of course now I wish I had more , for nostalgia if nothing else. As for tip two, sounds cool, tip three is a cool page, I'm sure that I will use your resources frequently. thanks alot, jeff SoundFNR@aol.com wrote: > Tip one > Use a notebook to write down patches you find. > > Tip two > i) power up vortex while holding both 'A/B' and 'reg/preset' > ii) turn preset knob until OB appears, (or OA). > iii) press reg/pre button. > iv) turn reg/pre knob to produce a series of tones > v) parameter knob varies volume > This would seem to be a very high quality sine wave generator, > 125Hz to 16kHz > > Tip three > http://members.aol.com/soundfnr/vortex.htm > > > Andy Butler From ???@??? Tue Oct 27 11:27:28 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id OAA17573; Tue, 27 Oct 1998 14:17:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 14:17:48 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Brian Thomson, London UK" To: "'Loopers Delight'" Subject: PC Looping Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 18:52:49 -0000 Message-ID: <000001be01da$fed62d20$2fbe5c8b@briant.ibm.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"eBO_k1.0.IE3.8RXDs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2469 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com On the topic of PC looping: I've played around with Visual Basic, and the kind of performance we're thinking of is way beyond what such tools can do natively. I think whoever does a "full-featured" looper will find themselves getting involved with the likes of DirectX Streaming / DirectSound plug-ins and the like - not for an amateur programmer such as myself! To recap, DirectX is the API set Microsoft have created so that games developers in particular can access the multimedia system on a "device-independent" basis - not caring whether the output device is a Sound Blaster or an Event Layla system. It also supports a "plug-in" architecture, which is where we come in. There are already quite a few musical plug-ins out there - EQs, grungelizers, dynamic sections, and some excellent reverbs from the likes of TC. I've got the MS "DevNet" reference which includes all the API details, but I'm probably going to have to learn C++ to get anything out of it... I'll keep thinking etc..! Brian Thomson, London UK bnt@ibm.net / bnt@email.com "A fig for those by LAW protected, LIBERTY's a glorious feast! COURTS for cowards were erected, CHURCHES built to please the Priest!" -- Robert Burns: Love & Liberty (1785) From ???@??? Tue Oct 27 11:27:25 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id OAA16919; Tue, 27 Oct 1998 14:14:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 14:14:37 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Brian Thomson, London UK" To: , "'Loopers Delight'" Subject: Display for Software Looping Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 18:52:56 -0000 Message-ID: <000101be01db$02ff3d60$2fbe5c8b@briant.ibm.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"vivFJ.0.-E3.NRXDs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2470 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Ken Mistove's last message to Looper's Digest said: >>Also, some sort of time display that would let the looper know what >>position he or she is within the loop currently playing? >Also possible. I'll have to think about ways of doing this. I had a look at this problem a while back when I wrote a little "Loop Metronome" in MS Visual Basic on the PC, and I came up with two possibilities: 1) The Wheel: Represent the loop in memory as a wheel, something like the tape in an original EchoPlex would look if its path was round, except that the heads could be shown moving around a stationary tape, not vice versa. This method could cope with multiple taps, with a "input / feedback" tap shown as a different colour, while the wheel could have coloured segments to indicate subdivision of the loop. Taking this analogy further, the colouring of the wheel could even perhaps show the signal level, or FFT spectrum at a given angular position. Or how about having "taps" moving the wrong way round the wheel for reverse looping ... - nah, too much? Alternately, if the wheel was shown moving and the "taps" stationary, that would open up the possibility of a virtual wiring diagram for multiple delays: "input1 -> loop1_write, loop1_fbtap to damping EQ -> loop1_fbtap , loop1_tap1 -> loop2_input" etc., etc. 2) The Bouncing Ball: this is the simpler method I eventually used. If the loop is subdivided into n "bars", a ball can be shown bouncing horizontally along a display, n times, then returning to the start. It takes advantage of the way we perceive and can adjust our actions to match a moving object, but there's not too much room for fancy features beyond that. Any comments? Brian Thomson, London UK bnt@ibm.net / bnt@email.com "Looked at objectively, the vale of human suffering is basically a dump. The human condition can be changed, and it will be changed, and is changing; the only real questions are how, and to what end." -- Bruce Sterling (Interzone column) From ???@??? Wed Oct 28 00:00:55 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id OAA23214; Tue, 27 Oct 1998 14:44:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 14:44:28 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <36362030.329F89EB@nyfac.com> Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 14:34:08 -0500 From: "Trevor D. Bajus, purveyor of the new rock" Reply-To: nyfac2@nyfac.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: anyone interested in swapping a B-rang for a J-man? References: <199810270953.KAA06354@mail.euroweb.hu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"l4ZGx2.0.1u4.3zXDs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2473 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com The Jamster is getting too little use because of its relative unweildiness. tdb -- Would you like fries with that? From ???@??? Wed Oct 28 00:01:06 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id PAA27146; Tue, 27 Oct 1998 15:05:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 15:05:21 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: robm@mailgate.nytimes.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <000601be01d4$3f453fb0$26ee8fd1@jelbizri.linkexchange.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 14:50:14 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: rob monn Subject: RE: Procrastination feature ideas Resent-Message-ID: <"oYOjT.0.-v5.CFYDs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2475 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com pluggo is a VST plug that will interface into MSP, there is info about it on the MSP page at www.cycling74.com. it looks like it is coming out very soon. _________________________________ /robb monn -- robm@nytimes.com | From ???@??? Wed Oct 28 00:02:07 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id PAA31178; Tue, 27 Oct 1998 15:28:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 15:28:21 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: M3chakucha@aol.com Message-ID: <3f9c79b3.36362929@aol.com> Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 15:12:25 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Re: Guitar synth guys Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) sub 7 Resent-Message-ID: <"OvQLR1.0.g17.HcYDs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2477 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com That's how the SynthAxe and the Stepp Guitars both work, by the by... Both were awesome instruments whose tracking was absolutely unparalleled. They only suffered one slight problem, both beasties were rather prohibative in their pricing. Lee-ohki. From ???@??? Wed Oct 28 00:01:07 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id PAA28963; Tue, 27 Oct 1998 15:15:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 15:15:07 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3636347C.AA4E42BE@magelang.com> Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 13:00:44 -0800 From: Jim Coker Reply-To: jcoker@magelang.com Organization: Magelang Institute X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Sustainer by Fernandes References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"2jJL3.0.GE6.9MYDs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2476 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com BTW, guitar nuts, fernandes' web pages (http://www.fernandesguitars.com) features a highly amusing quote by a certain crafty guitarist about his new sustainer. I called and they said that their les paul clone, the monterey will be available w/ a sustainer early next year. He also said their custom shop could add a GK pickup.... On the Ebow: I've been able to get all sorts of wild noises by moving the ebow up and down the strings, using it to scrape strings, etc. highly recommended. ok, I'll stop now... Jim From ???@??? Wed Oct 28 00:02:09 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id RAA22630; Tue, 27 Oct 1998 17:22:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 17:22:42 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: Subject: WOT RE: Re: Guitar synth guys (no loop stuff) Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 13:15:52 -0800 Message-ID: <000901be01ee$f9f2b670$26ee8fd1@jelbizri.linkexchange.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 In-Reply-To: <3f9c79b3.36362929@aol.com> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <"iNXKu3.0.b05.ZNaDs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2479 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I just bought a mini-Z fro Ztar systems. It's a mid controller set up like a touch style instrument. It has six, two-octave 'strings' (rows of buttons/keys) and you can set the tuning and splits any way you want. One very interesting 'tuning' that I have seen mentioned is setting up the strings in straight octaves (each string corresponds to one octave higher. This makes for an intuitive, symmetrical finger patterns and lightning fast scales and arpeggios. Of course, harmony, chords and polyphonic playing is more difficult, since you need both hands to play a melody line (to span a whole octave of button/keys), and chords become very wide stretchs. Anyway, it's being built as we speak (I hope) cost me ~$1300 (with a joystick as well as the thumb expression controller) and there is a one month return policy. You can get them shaped like guitars, with 'string' triggers, with 'drum' pads (that you can use to send any controller messages) and even with a wave table synth built in. I don't know if I can recomend them yet (I have yet to see mine) but I have talked to a number of satisified customers. If anyone is interested, I'll dig up the web address. Their site has lots of pretty pictures for the curious. > -----Original Message----- > From: M3chakucha@aol.com [mailto:M3chakucha@aol.com] > Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 1998 12:12 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Subject: Re: Re: Guitar synth guys > > > That's how the SynthAxe and the Stepp Guitars both work, by the > by... Both > were awesome instruments whose tracking was absolutely unparalleled. They > only suffered one slight problem, both beasties were rather prohibative in > their pricing. > > Lee-ohki. > > From ???@??? Wed Oct 28 00:01:24 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id SAA14024; Tue, 27 Oct 1998 18:27:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 18:27:51 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: Subject: RE: loop tools - software - wanted! Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 13:46:28 -0800 Message-ID: <000b01be01f3$409ca140$26ee8fd1@jelbizri.linkexchange.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <"dpziz3.0.dV7.6qaDs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2481 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com That's a practice tool though, right? They haven't made a 'guitar looper's delight software program'. bIz > -----Original Message----- > From: M3chakucha@aol.com [mailto:M3chakucha@aol.com] > Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 1998 2:26 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Subject: Re: loop tools - software - wanted! > > > Check out the new app being made by Twelve Tone Systems Cakewalk Guitar... > > Lee-ohki. > > From ???@??? Wed Oct 28 00:02:11 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id RAA23504; Tue, 27 Oct 1998 17:25:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 17:25:29 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: M3chakucha@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 17:12:21 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: GR-30 and Guitar Craft Tuning Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Resent-Message-ID: <"GCiNJ.0.X-4.6NaDs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2478 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Dear Whoops, missed this one... A problem that you could be running into with a lower pitched string is going to be fret noise, and possibly noise generated by the HEX pickup getting tapped by the string. I've found that the best bet with HEX pickups has been to go with graphite necks and thus get yourself out of the hassles generated by multiple dead spots and possible bowing issues when you use some odd tunings. Michael Hedges is probably the best example on the guitar with Michael Manring being in a similiar vein on bass guitar. There are also a few gizmos out there that will allow you to make such changes with minimal loss of intonation and being off in the tuning, however again, I stress that a graphite neck is the better bet than either wood or other material. Hope this helps out. Lee-ohki. From ???@??? Wed Oct 28 00:01:22 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id RAA29224; Tue, 27 Oct 1998 17:42:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 17:42:11 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: M3chakucha@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 17:26:27 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: loop tools - software - wanted! Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Resent-Message-ID: <"nMxrT1.0.3z5.2aaDs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2480 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Check out the new app being made by Twelve Tone Systems Cakewalk Guitar... Lee-ohki. From ???@??? Wed Oct 28 00:01:51 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id TAA16224; Tue, 27 Oct 1998 19:59:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 19:59:51 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: Subject: RE: Percussion, drums anyone? Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 15:34:09 -0800 Message-ID: <000c01be0202$4bc05a80$26ee8fd1@jelbizri.linkexchange.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 In-Reply-To: <36365F07.DCA6897D@csi.com> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <"y9OiE1.0.3a1.4PcDs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2484 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Rebirth has a delay function that I am dying to emulate with my other gear. Basicly, you can set up a 100% feedback delay, 1 bar in length and then feed one of the drum machines (I suppose it should work other instruments, as long as they repeat) in to it. If you put the 'delay in' level at a low level, like 20%, and repeat the drum sequence over and over, and over the course of several bars the delay sound builds in to this phased and chorused out percussive loop. bIz > -----Original Message----- > From: r_t_cummings@csi.com [mailto:r_t_cummings@csi.com] > Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 1998 4:02 PM > To: Loopers Delight > Subject: Percussion, drums anyone? > > > How many of you are of the above persuasion? That is, > drum/percussion/loopism? > > Well, I know there a few, though just a few, of you out there. Just felt > like chattin' a little with youse. can mention what equipment you're > using for starters and we'll take it from there. > > > Hope to hear from you, > Rob(erto Batteria) > > > > > From ???@??? Wed Oct 28 00:01:40 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id TAA31872; Tue, 27 Oct 1998 19:15:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 19:15:10 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: M3chakucha@aol.com Message-ID: <561b5c76.36365acd@aol.com> Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 18:44:13 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: loop tools - software - wanted! Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Resent-Message-ID: <"5z4Al1.0.0p4.pibDs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2482 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com It is a practice tool but it can be used as a limited looping device. The main constraints are the processor speed and type, OS type, media type and the type of hardware being used to transfer the information. Lee-ohki. From ???@??? Wed Oct 28 00:01:45 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id TAA03327; Tue, 27 Oct 1998 19:24:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 19:24:44 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Sender: r_t_cummings@csi.com Message-ID: <36365F07.DCA6897D@csi.com> Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 01:02:15 +0100 From: Cummings X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [de] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers Delight Subject: Percussion, drums anyone? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"71inS2.0.Wf5.XrbDs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2483 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com How many of you are of the above persuasion? That is, drum/percussion/loopism? Well, I know there a few, though just a few, of you out there. Just felt like chattin' a little with youse. can mention what equipment you're using for starters and we'll take it from there. Hope to hear from you, Rob(erto Batteria) From ???@??? Wed Oct 28 00:01:58 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id UAA03537; Tue, 27 Oct 1998 20:46:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 20:46:19 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3636667B.677CCE50@musician.org> Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 17:34:05 -0700 From: eric potter Reply-To: eric@musician.org Organization: Hog Wild Music and Sound FX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: another q: References: <199810270953.KAA06354@mail.euroweb.hu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"4NdS-.0.uO7.iGdDs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2488 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com adam davidovics wrote: > Why people buying a Vortex next to their Jamman? I use both together. The Vortex is more of a processor than a looper. Only very short loops (1.6 seconds?) But it is a great sounding processor - delay, chorus, flange, ring mod, rotary speaker, and some other very unusual things. Very flexible and it works in stereo. Good Lexicon quality sound. They are now hard to find, they have not been built for a few years. I bought mine for $200, but now prices for used ones can be higher. I don't know what your keyboard is worth, though, I play guitar. I think it is a good process or to use with the Echoplex. I go: Guitar>pedals>Vortex>JamMan. Someday I'll have an Echoplex! I'm glad you will be having much fun with these toys! eric p los angeles > > > I'm about to get an Echoplex. (is it available with no problems anyway?) > > Thank for those who made me decide getting it instead the Jamman. > > But i've got an extremely good offer for the Vortex (i could exchange it > for a Fatar SL161 masterkeyboard, damn cheap). Could the Vortex do anything > useful next to the Echoplex? > > a/d From ???@??? Wed Oct 28 00:01:54 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id TAA15435; Tue, 27 Oct 1998 19:57:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 19:57:55 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19981027163429.00858730@barr642.berkeley.edu> X-Sender: cstecker@barr642.berkeley.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 16:34:29 -0800 To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com From: Chris Stecker Subject: repeat: used echoplex pricing Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"2KPLB.0.1p1.SScDs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2485 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Once again, I apologize for the mundane post, but I've recieved no replies and I really need to get a good idea of the current used price of the echoplex digital pro. Anyone recently buy or sell one? Just drop me a quick note with the price paid, and I'll quit buggin' ya. Thanks, Chris From ???@??? Wed Oct 28 00:01:55 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id UAA25652; Tue, 27 Oct 1998 20:22:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 20:22:13 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <36366E64.B913A003@stic.net> Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 19:07:49 -0600 From: "James H. Sidlo" Organization: James H. Sidlo X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Question References: <1302699153-110778913@arts.unco.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"KXRFh2.0.NJ4.7rcDs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2486 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Doug Tapia wrote: > >Subject: Paul Motian's Trioism > >Sent: 10/26/98 3:52 PM > >Received: 10/27/98 5:01 AM > >From: PJBMHB@aol.com > >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > > > >i was listening to this cd this morning and yesterday. frisell has an awful > >lot of loops going on this one. a lot of tough playing too. bill must have > >been in a bad mood when this was recorded because he really rages on some of > >these tunes. =-) PJ > >To: Doug Tapia (or anyone who can answer this). On Power Tools, "Strange > Meeting", what is Frisell using for his loops?? Thanks, James > jameshsidlo@stic.net > Bill is always really slick about his looping. It's one of those things > that the casual listener might not notice (espically in context of some > of the complex tunes he plays and the fact that he rarely uses 4 bar > loops) if they aren't pointed out. (This as opposed to say, oh I don't > know. . . Frip?!?) > > If you've ever met Bill, I think you'd agree that it would be rare to > find him in a bad mood--especially if he's playing music. You should > check him out on the Naked City stuff if you've never heard him rage: > It's a side he explores on occasion. Also check out Power Tools and Marc > Johnson's Bass Desires (Both _Bass Desires_ and _Second Sight_) > > Peace, > > Doug From ???@??? Wed Oct 28 00:01:56 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id UAA03721; Tue, 27 Oct 1998 20:46:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 20:46:43 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <2148EC143F29D1118BE000805FC13CD06E982B@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Question Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 19:28:44 -0600 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Resent-Message-ID: <"Ij2JD3.0.-97.aEdDs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2487 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > On Power Tools, "Strange > > Meeting", what is Frisell using for his loops?? Thanks, James > > jameshsidlo@stic.net > my guess is Electro Harmonix 16-second From ???@??? Wed Oct 28 00:01:59 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id VAA11003; Tue, 27 Oct 1998 21:03:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 21:03:32 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: clay@mail.iinet.net.au Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <36365F07.DCA6897D@csi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 09:41:02 +0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Clayton Chipper Subject: Re: Percussion, drums anyone? Resent-Message-ID: <"fm72F1.0.cV.OQdDs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2489 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >How many of you are of the above persuasion? That is, >drum/percussion/loopism? > yeah i play in a group of 3 drummers/perc who use live looping and samplers..... From ???@??? Wed Oct 28 00:02:13 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id AAA26286; Wed, 28 Oct 1998 00:03:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 00:03:36 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <2.2.32.19981028045019.00e5a250@pop.chromatic.com> X-Sender: kflint@pop.chromatic.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 20:50:19 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: repeat: used echoplex pricing Resent-Message-ID: <"xoHIK.0.1_4.EAgDs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2490 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 04:34 PM 10/27/98 -0800, you wrote: >Once again, I apologize for the mundane post, but I've recieved no replies >and I really need to get a good idea of the current used price of the >echoplex digital pro. Anyone recently buy or sell one? Just drop me a >quick note with the price paid, and I'll quit buggin' ya. > I think it's typically been so rare to see them for sale used that probably nobody has much idea of what the price should be.... kim ________________________________________________________ Kim Flint, MTS 408-752-9284 Chromatic Research kflint@chromatic.com http://www.chromatic.com From ???@??? Wed Oct 28 00:02:17 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id AAA09031; Wed, 28 Oct 1998 00:36:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 00:36:32 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <2.2.32.19981028052032.00e9c68c@pop.chromatic.com> X-Sender: kflint@pop.chromatic.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 21:20:32 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: RE: Percussion, drums anyone? Resent-Message-ID: <"R76dC.0.Me.XcgDs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2491 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 03:34 PM 10/27/98 -0800, you wrote: > >Rebirth has a delay function that I am dying to emulate with my other gear. >Basicly, you can set up a 100% feedback delay, 1 bar in length and then feed >one of the drum machines (I suppose it should work other instruments, as >long as they repeat) in to it. If you put the 'delay in' level at a low >level, like 20%, and repeat the drum sequence over and over, and over the >course of several bars the delay sound builds in to this phased and chorused >out percussive loop. > along those lines.... something that used to annoy me, and now I think is pretty cool, is when you take a drum sequence and run the audio out of the sampler into an audio looper (like echoplex or jamman). Sync the sequencer and looper with midi clock, loop the sampler output with the audio looper (so they are the same length), and play the two simultaneously. (so the sequencer and looper are playing identical things....) Midi clock is not nearly precise enough to maintain phase between two audio signals, so each repetition of the loop will have a different phase relationship between the two! It's great, you get these tinny, completely out of phase sounds one time, solid, in phase drums the next time, something in between another. It's usually pretty random in the way it shifts with each repetition. And there is the ever-popular, boring drum loop sequence reviver trick....play your sequence, and have the audio looper grab a different length with some metrical relationship, and let them loop. (for example, a 2 bar sequence, and 15 8ths in the looper, or 27 16ths, or whatever...) They shift against each other each time through, making the boring sequence suddenly much more dynamic and interesting. Carefully controlling the mix lets you bring one time signature or the other into dominance, with the other becoming more of an accent. You'll waste days playing with this, I guarantee it. Another thing I like is sampling the drum groove into the looper and reversing it, while the original continues normally. Then do dj-like cross cuts between the two to throw in reversed drum bits every now and then. Hip-hop people do this a lot now though, maybe it's gotten a little cheesy. (but that should be an encouragement!) On the echoplex you can do the cuts with just the mix knob, but a dj mixer would be better. Last favorite trick is not really with loops, but micro length delay times. I use the sustain mode on the echoplex record function, and lightly tap the record button to get loop lengths around 10msec. Turn overdub on and leave it. play the drum sequence into the looper. Adjust the feedback and mix and you get a whole variety of wild drum sounds. The delay times are short enough to be tones themselves, which is part of the effect. Repeatedly tapping the record button while the drum loop plays gives you slightly different delay lengths, with different tones. You will waste at least a week doing this...... And since I'm playing percussion quite a lot more than guitar these days (albeit with considerably less skill :-), i'm really interested in how some of you manage loops with live percussion playing. Up to now I've always used the loopers along with sampled/sequenced drums.... kim ________________________________________________________ Kim Flint, MTS 408-752-9284 Chromatic Research kflint@chromatic.com http://www.chromatic.com From ???@??? Wed Oct 28 00:02:18 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id BAA27786; Wed, 28 Oct 1998 01:22:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 01:22:44 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <2.2.32.19981028061441.00e8b164@pop.chromatic.com> X-Sender: kflint@pop.chromatic.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 22:14:41 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: PC Looping Resent-Message-ID: <"77ZZl3.0.W16.HPhDs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2492 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 06:52 PM 10/27/98 -0000, you wrote: >On the topic of PC looping: I've played around with Visual Basic, and the >kind of performance we're thinking of is way beyond what such tools can do >natively. I think whoever does a "full-featured" looper will find themselves >getting involved with the likes of DirectX Streaming / DirectSound plug-ins >and the like - not for an amateur programmer such as myself! > >To recap, DirectX is the API set Microsoft have created so that games >developers in particular can access the multimedia system on a >"device-independent" basis - not caring whether the output device is a Sound >Blaster or an Event Layla system. It also supports a "plug-in" architecture, >which is where we come in. There are already quite a few musical plug-ins >out there - EQs, grungelizers, dynamic sections, and some excellent reverbs >from the likes of TC. As noted before (this comes up pretty often, it seems....) Windows/MacOS are general purpose OS's that aren't designed for real-time performance. Hence they have bad latency problems that make something like a decent real-time audio looper (or real-time signal processor) pretty unlikely. (even using DirectX...) If you got 20-50ms of latency out of a PC, you'd be doing really well, but loop that 10 or 20 times and you've got quite a problem.....That's why PC audio stuff tends to stick with single direction apps where you can easily compensate for the latency problems. External boxes on the other hand, will be designed specifically for real-time work. They can guarantee very low latencies for the application since they don't have to worry about all of the other things a general purpose OS is dealing with. kim ________________________________________________________ Kim Flint, MTS 408-752-9284 Chromatic Research kflint@chromatic.com http://www.chromatic.com From ???@??? Wed Oct 28 00:02:25 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id BAA05627; Wed, 28 Oct 1998 01:49:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 01:49:55 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Paolo Valladolid Message-Id: <199810280633.WAA25503@waynesworld.ucsd.edu> Subject: Re: WOT RE: Re: Guitar synth guys (no loop stuff) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 22:33:14 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <000901be01ee$f9f2b670$26ee8fd1@jelbizri.linkexchange.com> from "Jonathan El-Bizri" at Oct 27, 98 01:15:52 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"tSKfR3.0.cw7.ghhDs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2493 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > I just bought a mini-Z fro Ztar systems. It's a mid controller set up like a > touch style instrument. It has six, two-octave 'strings' (rows of > buttons/keys) and you can set the tuning and splits any way you want. One > very interesting 'tuning' that I have seen mentioned is setting up the > strings in straight octaves (each string corresponds to one octave higher. > This makes for an intuitive, symmetrical finger patterns and lightning fast > scales and arpeggios. Of course, harmony, chords and polyphonic playing is > more difficult, since you need both hands to play a melody line (to span a > whole octave of button/keys), and chords become very wide stretchs. You can still play chords on a single "string" (row of keys), which leads to many chord voicings impossible to play on an instrument with real strings. > talked to a number of satisified customers. If anyone is interested, I'll > dig up the web address. Their site has lots of pretty pictures for the > curious. It's http://catalog.com/starrlab/ For the truly sick, Starrlabs also offers a MIDI controller that has hexagon keys laid out in a honeycomb-like configuration. It's based on a design submitted by a customer who wanted a controller for microtonal applications. All Starrlabs instruments offer deep programming options. For example, one could assign a chord to one drumpad in real-time, record and playback MIDI LOOPS, and all kinds of other crazy stuff. Well, I had to work this to an on-topic zone somehow. :) Cheers, Paolo Valladolid --------------------------------------------------------------- |Moderator of Digital Guitar Digest, an Internet mailing list |\ |for Music Technology and Stringed Instruments | \ ---------------------------------------------------------------- | \ To subscribe, go to the web page below (do not email me): \ | \ http://waynesworld.ucsd.edu/DigitalGuitar/home.html \| ----------------------------------------------------------------- From ???@??? Wed Oct 28 00:02:30 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id CAA22621; Wed, 28 Oct 1998 02:34:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 02:34:31 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <00ba01be0243$a38947e0$3c4a8581@jkudler.stu.wesleyan.edu> From: "Jesse Kudler" To: Subject: Re: Vortex Tips Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 02:21:53 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Resent-Message-ID: <"WNobI1.0.zz3.AKiDs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2494 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >Tip two > i) power up vortex while holding both 'A/B' and 'reg/preset' >ii) turn preset knob until OB appears, (or OA). >iii) press reg/pre button. >iv) turn reg/pre knob to produce a series of tones >v) parameter knob varies volume > This would seem to be a very high quality sine wave generator, > 125Hz to 16kHz How'd you discover this? -Jesse From ???@??? Wed Oct 28 02:02:37 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id DAA04967; Wed, 28 Oct 1998 03:09:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 03:09:26 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <046b01be0248$19d8ebe0$4b98adce@hideo> Reply-To: "Tom Lambrecht" From: "Tom Lambrecht" To: Subject: Re: Squarepusher Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 01:53:48 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"AjxEg3.0.9i7.nsiDs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2495 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com just heard the aforementioned group on Clay's "Pounding System" on WFMU's real audio link . . . sweet gotta get the CD . . . for those in the Joisy area, they are playing at a place called Vinyl on Thurs. Nov. 5 (in East Orange, I presume) drone on~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Tom From ???@??? Wed Oct 28 02:02:38 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id DAA17769; Wed, 28 Oct 1998 03:42:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 03:42:23 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3636D516.7A31F1B0@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 01:26:28 -0700 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: sitar sounds from your non-sitar looping device References: <199810250653_MC2-5DFB-2E57@compuserve.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"QNooM1.0.K82.6EjDs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2496 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Andreas Willers wrote: > "The Coral Sitar Guitar used a floating bridge to simulate the sound > of a sitar. Someone published details of a way of fitting a metal > block near the bridge of a guitar so that it just touched the strings > and equally made a sitar-like sound - if anyone knows any more > about this, please contact me." > this is *strange*, 'cause when i was just a wee lad, i used to stick a #24 metal x-acto knife handle (sans blade) against the bridge of my old acoustic guitar. sure made it sound sitar-like... sigh... you were probably looking for something more technical... or loopy... -lance g. From ???@??? Wed Oct 28 02:02:42 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id EAA32301; Wed, 28 Oct 1998 04:23:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 04:23:11 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Sender: camao@camsg001.camb.scee.sony.co.uk Message-ID: <3636DDBE.A87C88CB@scee.sony.co.uk> Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 09:02:54 +0000 From: Os X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; I; IRIX 6.3 IP32) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Procrastination feature ideas References: <000601be01d4$3f453fb0$26ee8fd1@jelbizri.linkexchange.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"sdz8-3.0.hP6.CvjDs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2497 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Jonathan El-Bizri wrote: > > I'd really like to see a PC equivalent of this program, though I would > assume a port is an unrealistic idea. > > A more directly useful suggestion, though: > > VST plugin comatibility. Wouldn't this rock? It would be awesome to be able > to use a looper in an audio sequencer, have it synched to midi and automate > the controls! and you could have as many loops as you like, of different > sizes and shapes, by running more plugins. This would get even crazier if a > VST effect loop could be added inside the plugin, for feedback effects. > > Wouldn't all this rock? Maybe Dave Brown (isn't that the guy who does all > those free VST plugins?) would be the one to talk to. I'm just getting myself up & running with VST plugin development - rest assured that a *BIG* delay will be the first thing I compile ;) cheers, os. -- Os os@scee.sony.co.uk os@collective.co.uk http://www.collective.co.uk/ From ???@??? Wed Oct 28 02:44:47 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id FAA23247; Wed, 28 Oct 1998 05:31:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 05:31:29 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <046b01be0248$19d8ebe0$4b98adce@hideo> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 02:09:24 -0800 To: From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Squarepusher Resent-Message-ID: <"ivF3y2.0.H14.YukDs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2498 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 11:53 PM -0800 10/27/98, Tom Lambrecht wrote: >just heard the aforementioned group on Clay's "Pounding System" on WFMU's Squarepusher aka Tom Jenkinson = one guy.....not a group.... kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Wed Oct 28 10:54:27 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id GAA02033; Wed, 28 Oct 1998 06:01:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 06:01:03 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199810281044.FAA02425@ulster.net> Subject: Re: Starr labs - Z Tar midi controller Date: Wed, 28 Oct 98 05:43:08 -0500 x-sender: evening@pop.ulster.net x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: evening To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <"5HJD31.0.ty6.gMlDs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2499 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 13:15:52 -0800 >From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" > >I just bought a mini-Z fro Ztar systems. It's a mid controller set up like a >touch style instrument. > >I don't know if I can recomend them yet (I have yet to see mine) but I have >talked to a number of satisified customers. If anyone is interested, I'll >dig up the web address. Their site has lots of pretty pictures for the >curious. I had Harvey Starr build me a handhelp percussion controller about 3 years ago. here's my experience: bad - I paid $900 up front & waited 15 months before I rec'd anything. It took numerous phone calls and during one of them he said "I've received death threats from people who've been waiting too long for their Z-Tars." This didn't make me very comfortable. The Z-Bar was pretty much unplayable from an ergonomic standpoint I sent it back & got a refund. good - His software kick ass - very, very flexible. He did send me a demo low-end Z-Tar to play with while I was waiting - which a friend eventually bought from him. In summary - Harvey is basically a nice guy & his Z-Tar * software are excellent but make sure you get a date from him as to when your gear will be built or better yet buy what's in stock. - the 30 day return is a nice policy. jmw From ???@??? Wed Oct 28 10:54:30 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id GAA14001; Wed, 28 Oct 1998 06:31:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 06:31:45 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Douglas Lawrence" To: Subject: RE: Starr labs - Z Tar midi controller (How About Zendrum?) Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 06:10:24 -0500 Message-ID: <000001be0263$8f9ecf00$87500218@cc1006472-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <199810281044.FAA02425@ulster.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <"kbqSt2.0.LS1.2llDs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2500 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com You guys may already know about this, but have you ever checked out a Zendrum (http://www.zendrum.com). They seem to have a couple models to span several prices ranges. I've seen them used live twice, Billy Cobham and Vinx (Jungle Funk). If I had extra $$$ right now, I think I would get one just to check it out. -----Original Message----- From: evening [mailto:evening@ulster.net] Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 1998 5:43 AM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Starr labs - Z Tar midi controller >Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 13:15:52 -0800 >From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" > >I just bought a mini-Z fro Ztar systems. It's a mid controller set up like a >touch style instrument. > >I don't know if I can recomend them yet (I have yet to see mine) but I have >talked to a number of satisified customers. If anyone is interested, I'll >dig up the web address. Their site has lots of pretty pictures for the >curious. I had Harvey Starr build me a handhelp percussion controller about 3 years ago. here's my experience: bad - I paid $900 up front & waited 15 months before I rec'd anything. It took numerous phone calls and during one of them he said "I've received death threats from people who've been waiting too long for their Z-Tars." This didn't make me very comfortable. The Z-Bar was pretty much unplayable from an ergonomic standpoint I sent it back & got a refund. good - His software kick ass - very, very flexible. He did send me a demo low-end Z-Tar to play with while I was waiting - which a friend eventually bought from him. In summary - Harvey is basically a nice guy & his Z-Tar * software are excellent but make sure you get a date from him as to when your gear will be built or better yet buy what's in stock. - the 30 day return is a nice policy. jmw From ???@??? Wed Oct 28 10:54:33 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id GAA24098 for kflint@annihilist.com; Wed, 28 Oct 1998 06:57:28 -0500 Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 06:57:28 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-From_: jon.thompson@clara.net Wed Oct 28 06:57:23 1998 Received: from relay.clara.net (remus.clara.net [195.8.69.79]) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) with ESMTP id GAA24049 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 1998 06:57:23 -0500 Received: from lynx (nobody@thanatos.clara.net [195.8.69.60]) by relay.clara.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA07482 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 1998 11:46:20 GMT (envelope-from jon.thompson@clara.net) Message-ID: <00da01be0269$628f9070$95fe69c0@lynx.protek.co.uk> From: "Jon Thompson" To: Subject: Does anyone know.... Old-Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 10:15:42 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Diagnostic: undecipherable, help sent X-Envelope-To: Loopers-Delight ...how to unsubscribe from this list. I could have sworn it was run by Majordomo but I can't get the damned thing to unsubscribe me (or even return a "help" request). Could the list owner please shoot me. The extra mail load is too much. Jon -- From ???@??? Wed Oct 28 10:54:39 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id IAA05663; Wed, 28 Oct 1998 08:54:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 08:54:19 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19981028092523.00976a00@brooknorth.com> X-Sender: howard@brooknorth.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 09:25:23 -0400 To: From: Howard Harawitz Subject: PC MIDI programming language Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"Fa6UD3.0.wA6.ThnDs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2501 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi, Anyone interested in building a PC MIDI looper might want to take note of a MIDI processing program/language for the PC -- "Building Blocks", by Paul Swennenhuis (P.A.M.Swennenhuis@RC.RUG.NL). A demo is available at: http://midiworld.com/AuReality/software/building_blocks/ The language is graphical and modular. It runs under Windows NT or Windows 95/98. IMO, it is quite "Max-like" in its intent, although more limited (and therefore easier to use), but you can do many Max-like MIDI processing things with it -- and it runs on the PC, which, unfortunately, MAX doesn't. For example, it has built in modules for MIDI recording and echoing, which look like they could be strung together in some way to build a MIDI looper. Regrettably, I don't have the time to look into this myself, or I would. All the best, Howard ========================================================== Howard Harawitz howard@brooknorth.com ========================================================== Brooklyn North Software Works Inc. Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada Telephone: 1-902-423-0257 ========================================================== Check the Halifax Harbor Cam: http://www.brooknorth.com/camsite/ From ???@??? Wed Oct 28 10:54:43 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id IAA07443; Wed, 28 Oct 1998 08:58:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 08:58:29 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <36371DD0.7541@mdbs.com> Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 08:36:16 -0500 From: "Dennis W. Leas" X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win95; U) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Percussion, drums anyone? References: <36365F07.DCA6897D@csi.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"3auEI.0.cD7.TqnDs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2502 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Cummings wrote: > > How many of you are of the above persuasion? That is, > drum/percussion/loopism? I'm of that persuasion. > > can mention what equipment you're > using for starters and we'll take it from there. Equip: four or five SM-57 mics, Tascam 1024 mixer, two EDPs, one SPX-90, one Alesis M-EQ 230, pair of Klpsch KP-250s or KP-320s. Sometimes a gate/compressor/limiter (Alesis or Behringer). Instr: marimba, glockenspiel, triangle, cymbal, gongs, singing bowls, claves, shakers, chimes, birdcalls, udu, didjeridus, waterphone, ocean drum, batu-tu, gopiyantra, ting-sha, cuica, bells, slit drums, etc. Hope to hear back from you, Roberto, and others. - Dennis LEas -- dennis@mdbs.com From ???@??? Wed Oct 28 10:54:44 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id JAA20570; Wed, 28 Oct 1998 09:28:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 09:28:37 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Wjguitar@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 09:02:59 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Starr labs - Z Tar midi controller (How About Zendrum?) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 170 Resent-Message-ID: <"y45e13.0.IV2.rHoDs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2503 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I've been working with Harvey Starr on the development of a "tap guitar"...essentially a flamenco acoustic nylon string guitar, outfitted with a series of midi trigger plates mounted on the top and rim of the instrument...for use in "golpe" taps between rumba flamenca strums. Since I am both a drummer and a guitarist, I've searched for ways to integrate the two, without just putting the transducers for acoustic tone inside the top of the guitar. I've been after more latin percussion sounds, etc., conga, bongos, timbales, claves, etc....the system Harvey's building for me, will have both onboard sound modules and remote midi capabilities. I've applied for a patent on the design, and trust that they will be made commercially available for resale at some point in the future. I had approached Zendrum with my concept on a number of occasions...they were simply not interested in outfitting a guitar with Zendrum controls. Harvey Starr, on the other hand, welcomed the opportunity. We have been working on this for a long time, and it appears that we're nearing completion with it. I'll let everyone know how it works out. I've positioned the trigger plates conveniently for the different tap/strumming techniques, and with the use of my Oberheim Echoplex EDP's (stereo pair), I'll be able to get some real interesting effects. Additionally, the guitar is outfitted with RMC pickups which will also drive the GR-30, GR-1 and VG-8...so, I hope to have an orchestra in my hands, when I'm done. I'll keep you posted on my progress. Regards, Wayne Wesley Johnson From ???@??? Wed Oct 28 10:54:49 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id JAA25887; Wed, 28 Oct 1998 09:39:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 09:39:51 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <36372A29.CC8BBB0@vete.ucl.ac.be> Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 15:29:06 +0100 From: Malhomme Reply-To: malhomme@vete.ucl.ac.be X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [fr] (Macintosh; I; PPC) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: gauge again References: <199810271939.OAA22229@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"7i4rq3.0.2i4.hboDs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2504 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com All those points are definitely very valid remarks. " Tone is the most subjective of topics" indeed! "There may not be a perfect string, but if I read your message right, what you mean is a string that played the infinitely highest harmonic content of a string pluck/tap/hammer etc." I don't pretend of course it is the explanation. The sound is definitely different. "When you tried the new 'light' set of strings, were they the same age/cleanliness of the heavy ones, and had they had the same amount of use? Any new set of strings is going to sounds much more 'alive' and 'tinkly' than an old one. Are you sure that this was not what you were hearing?" Well I used tons of different strings, different steels, different alloys, different gauge. The sound is clearly different to me, but more difficult to manage. I mean, the lighter the string, the more pitch difference ther is when the pressure of fretting is applied. Something you have to control. On a Stick, where the frets are higher, it is enough to have a deep good vibrato. "(...) but have noticed that a lot of a chapman stick's tone is caused the the actual action of hitting the metal fret against the string, as opposed to plucking the string with a plectrum or your fingers. Next time you have a stick in your hands, try plucking the strings - it sounds a lot more like a guitar that I thought it would." Nice try :-) But you can imagine I tap on guitars for years, and I also pluck my Stick very often! The difference persist Lighter gauge tend to me to give the sound I like and age quite less quick. Besides, the lowest tension gives more pitch control, with the limitations I exposed before. I must insist on this more..mmm... richer? sound. Richer doen't stand right. More ringing perhaps? From ???@??? Wed Oct 28 10:55:24 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id MAA15873; Wed, 28 Oct 1998 12:02:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 12:02:42 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: Subject: RE: WOT RE: Re: Guitar synth guys (no loop stuff) Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 07:34:36 -0800 Message-ID: <000901be0288$77f2ef10$26ee8fd1@jelbizri.linkexchange.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 In-Reply-To: <199810280633.WAA25503@waynesworld.ucsd.edu> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <"WJBKb1.0.Tc.TTqDs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2507 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > > scales and arpeggios. Of course, harmony, chords and polyphonic > playing is > > more difficult, since you need both hands to play a melody line > (to span a > > whole octave of button/keys), and chords become very wide stretchs. > > You can still play chords on a single "string" (row of keys), which leads > to many chord voicings impossible to play on an instrument with > real strings. > LOL! Can't break away from thinking like a string player :> bIz From ???@??? Wed Oct 28 10:55:12 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id LAA05585; Wed, 28 Oct 1998 11:40:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 11:40:30 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.32.19981028165657.006a3460@net.ganymed.org> X-Sender: lorenz@net.ganymed.org X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 17:10:40 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Lorenz Haeusle Subject: Re: Percussion, drums anyone? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"9CH_61.0.XF5.i2qDs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2505 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 01:02 28.10.98 +0100, you wrote: >How many of you are of the above persuasion? That is, >drum/percussion/loopism? > >Well, I know there a few, though just a few, of you out there. Just felt >like chattin' a little with youse. can mention what equipment you're >using for starters and we'll take it from there. > > >Hope to hear from you, >Rob(erto Batteria) > one of my friends plays a huge dw drum together with yamaha a-3000 sampler (loops, sounds, atmospheres), a lexicon jam man (loops) and a korg wave drum. as control devices he's got an akai mpc-2000, a rimkat (or drumkat, can't remember its name) with a few ddrum trigers (bd, sn, tt, ...) and a boss dr5 drum computer. he also works with some vintage effect pedals (for example he's got a morley wahwah connected to his wave drum). he's got a godgiven ability to make really cool noises out of everything, that gets in his hands. if you wanna hear some of his' group's stuff, check out their hompage (but their ain't much looping on these sound samples, 'cause these songs were recorded a couple months after he got into looping, so please don't be disappointed) http://oehinfo.uibk.ac.at/misc/mayfair lorenz lorenz@ganymed.org From ???@??? Wed Oct 28 10:55:16 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id LAA12191; Wed, 28 Oct 1998 11:55:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 11:55:18 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 08:25:49 -0800 Message-ID: <00143D0C.C21407@wj.com> From: Mike.Biffle@wj.com (Mike Biffle) Subject: Re[2]: Question To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" , "Liebig; Steuart A." Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Resent-Message-ID: <"oQPup2.0.qD.BQqDs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2506 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > On Power Tools, "Strange > > Meeting", what is Frisell using for his loops?? Thanks, James > > jameshsidlo@stic.net Steuart Liebig wrote... > my guess is Electro Harmonix 16-second I know he used the 16-sec early in his career... He moved to the Digitech PDS-8000 later on... I saw him around 93-94 with a JamMan and LXP1 on a stool, but then saw him with the PDS-8000 back again more recently. He also had a Boss DD-3 on the floor... Just from my own experience, the JamMan lacks the cool time-knob-twisting weirdness which the 16-sec and PDS-8000 have. Bill Frissell and Nels Cline both really milk this aspect of their loopers to death! -miko From ???@??? Wed Oct 28 10:55:18 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id LAA12677; Wed, 28 Oct 1998 11:56:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 11:56:23 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 08:27:38 -0800 Message-ID: <00143D24.C21407@wj.com> From: Mike.Biffle@wj.com (Mike Biffle) Subject: Re[2]: another q: To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, eric potter Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Resent-Message-ID: <"bn0sI3.0.8g.vTqDs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2508 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >They are now hard to find, they have not been built for a few years. I bought >mine for $200, but now prices for used ones can be higher. I don't know what >your keyboard is worth, though, I play guitar. I just found one for $180 and saw another for $175... I've seen them as high as $350, but they seem to have come down. -miko From ???@??? Thu Oct 29 00:30:17 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id NAA12054; Wed, 28 Oct 1998 13:05:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 13:05:03 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 09:01:29 -0800 Message-ID: <00143DD7.C21407@wj.com> From: Mike.Biffle@wj.com (Mike Biffle) Subject: Re[3]: another q >>> Vortex Prices... To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, eric potter , Mike.Biffle@wj.com (Mike Biffle) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Resent-Message-ID: <"g2zwk1.0.Sg6.xErDs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2509 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com A clarification... my previous post is discussing Vortex prices. -m ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re[2]: another q: Author: Mike.Biffle@wj.com (Mike Biffle) at INTERNET Date: 10/28/98 11:55 AM >They are now hard to find, they have not been built for a few years. I bought >mine for $200, but now prices for used ones can be higher. I don't know what >your keyboard is worth, though, I play guitar. I just found one for $180 and saw another for $175... I've seen them as high as $350, but they seem to have come down. -miko From ???@??? Thu Oct 29 00:30:21 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id OAA07529; Wed, 28 Oct 1998 14:06:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 14:06:33 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19981028183326.14324.rocketmail@send103.yahoomail.com> Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 10:33:26 -0800 (PST) From: Bret Subject: repeat: used echoplex pricing To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"GBfnE.0.fy5.xBsDs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2510 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Chris, I recently bought one for $550 with the footpedal (&4mb of ram). Used EDP are rarely seen. Be aware that if you buy an older one it may need the ver 5.00 firmware ($45), or other minor changes like certain resistor values in order to be identical to current production models. Kim discusses some of the changes over time (like clipping the ADC0804 leg) in the edp faq at http://www.annihilist.com/loop/tools/echoplex/FAQ.html bret ---Chris Stecker wrote: > > Once again, I apologize for the mundane post, but I've recieved no replies > and I really need to get a good idea of the current used price of the > echoplex digital pro. Anyone recently buy or sell one? Just drop me a > quick note with the price paid, and I'll quit buggin' ya. > > Thanks, > > Chris > > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From ???@??? Thu Oct 29 00:30:19 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id OAA07349; Wed, 28 Oct 1998 14:06:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 14:06:00 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: mchriste@panther.middlebury.edu Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <00143D24.C21407@wj.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 13:45:44 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: murkie Subject: Re[2]: another q: Resent-Message-ID: <"yQk-u3.0.Gf7.bPsDs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2511 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >I just found one for $180 and saw another for $175... I've seen them as >high as >$350, but they seem to have come down. um... WHERE?!?! m M a r k C h r i s t e n s e n Cramped Quarters Studio / Jasperpottamus Music i n t e r n e t : murkie@middlebury.edu http://www.middlebury.edu/~mchriste/murkie.html From ???@??? Wed Oct 28 11:28:11 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id OAA12673; Wed, 28 Oct 1998 14:18:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 14:18:20 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <36375C77.24F989AE@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 12:03:56 -0700 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: recordings & reading References: <2.2.32.19981028052032.00e9c68c@pop.chromatic.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"hP1It2.0.Dp.3asDs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2512 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com hey all, i know it's asking a lot, but i've a special request for anyone whose been keeping a file on all the list's recent listening, reading, etc.: due to some (still unknown) bugginess in my mail inbox (ugh), netscape has somehow dumped all of the saved files from, like, early august through last week (ouch), which included a comprehensive (sniff) set of everyone's lists... so, if there is a kind-hearted soul among ye who wouldn't mind emailing whatever ya got (a complete set would be, of course, ideal, but hey, beggars can't be choosers...) muchas gracias, lance g. From ???@??? Thu Oct 29 00:29:21 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id PAA13810; Wed, 28 Oct 1998 15:32:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 15:32:32 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 12:09:25 -0800 Message-ID: <0014419F.C21407@wj.com> From: Mike.Biffle@wj.com (Mike Biffle) Subject: Re[3]: another q: To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, murkie Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Resent-Message-ID: <"vAEvV2.0.0Z1.9ktDs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2513 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com biffle... >>I just found one for $180 and saw another for $175... I've seen them as >>high as >>$350, but they seem to have come down. mark... >um... >WHERE?!?! Harmony Central: 10-17-98 $175 w/footpedals and manual... Jeff Farr 603.942.8128 7oz@my-dejanews.com He may still have it... -m From ???@??? Thu Oct 29 00:29:29 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id RAA01440; Wed, 28 Oct 1998 17:26:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 17:26:06 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 13:51:20 -0800 Message-ID: <0014437E.C21407@wj.com> From: Mike.Biffle@wj.com (Mike Biffle) Subject: Cheap Vortexes Everywhere... To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Resent-Message-ID: <"9GT4U1.0.rV5.SGvDs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2514 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Found two more of the beasts at the Recycler... http://www.recycler.com/ One for $175.00 and the other for $100.00!?... Check 'em out! -m From ???@??? Thu Oct 29 00:29:31 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id RAA14910; Wed, 28 Oct 1998 17:55:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 17:55:44 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: The Unit Circle Message-Id: <199810282222.RAA14902@keys.com> Subject: Re: echoplex or jamman? To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 17:22:57 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: <199810262339.AAA20283@mail.euroweb.hu> from "adam davidovics" at Oct 27, 98 00:39:36 am Content-Type: text Resent-Message-ID: <"Jva9n3.0.GF.3dvDs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2515 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com http://www.annihilist.com/loop/tools/boomerang/boomerang.html Kevin > > At 04:16 PM 10/26/98 -0500, you wrote: > >Have you looked at The Boomerang? It comes sort of in the middle between > >the two as far as features go. If you can afford the EDP, and want total > >options, it's probably the way to go. > > what are the options? i though there is only a pedalboard! > (the memory doesnt count!) > > how much would be such anyway? > (the whole, i mean) > > im not buyin the tc2290. that's about 2200 USD. > > a/d > From ???@??? Thu Oct 29 00:29:35 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id RAA16747; Wed, 28 Oct 1998 17:59:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 17:59:59 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 17:39:25 -0500 From: Andreas Willers Subject: RE: Question Sender: Andreas Willers To: "INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Message-ID: <199810281739_MC2-5E5F-72FC@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"ct3WO1.0.n82.asvDs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2517 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com He used to use the EH but that probably broke and he has a PCM 42 nowadays. He doesn't loop rhythms, just layers of delay, sometimes sped up (octave up) From ???@??? Thu Oct 29 00:29:34 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id SAA16996; Wed, 28 Oct 1998 18:00:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 18:00:34 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: kmistove@mail.eclipse.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <000601be01d4$3f453fb0$26ee8fd1@jelbizri.linkexchange.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 17:39:27 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Ken Mistove Subject: RE: Procrastination feature ideas Resent-Message-ID: <"AjCPd1.0.iy1.0rvDs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2516 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Robb and others, >pluggo is a VST plug that will interface into MSP, there is info about it >on the MSP page at www.cycling74.com. > >it looks like it is coming out very soon. Yes, pluggo is due sometime next month. Any MSP patcher can be turned into a VST plug-in. For now Mac only. For all those interested, Max/MSP IS being ported to Windows for release late next year. So my reponse to those who have asked for a PC port of Procrastination is - for now you'll have to wait. Just to re-inforce what Kim has said in the past: a computer based looper is not a replacement for a stand alone unit. There is I/O latency in software, no way around it. Also lugging around a computer to gigs is a real pain. If you need a reliable looper for live use stick with hardware. If you want to take some risk and can live with the limitations, then by all means jump on the software wagon. Robb has offered to "road test" Procrastination. We will keep the list informed of any major breakthroughs. With his help and suggestions from others, I hope to build a very useable and flexible software looper. Just a warning, for now it's not for everyone. Ken For "Procrastination" and my Listening Room: http://www.eclipse.net/~kmistove/ From ???@??? Thu Oct 29 00:29:42 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id SAA32062; Wed, 28 Oct 1998 18:33:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 18:33:36 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <4906826.3637a371@aol.com> Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 18:06:25 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Vortex Tips(How?) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 171 Resent-Message-ID: <"T1iRw1.0.2-4.FFwDs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2518 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >Tip two > i) power up vortex while holding both 'A/B' and 'reg/preset' >ii) turn preset knob until OB appears, (or OA). >iii) press reg/pre button. >iv) turn reg/pre knob to produce a series of tones >v) parameter knob varies volume > This would seem to be a very high quality sine wave generator, > 125Hz to 16kHz How'd you discover this? -Jesse The JamMan has a similar undocumented feature, but only 440Hz (accurate for tuning) and 1kHz. I found this while investigating the JamMan diagnostic mode ( used for setting midi ch). Power up holding reset/bypass, hit tap ,turn mode knob till 13 appears, hit tap again,turn mode knob to select 4 or 1 (440 or 1k), tap again. I figured the Vortex might also have a diagnostic, I was quite surprised. Using different settings at stage ii) does different stuff , but mostly useless:- 0C Resets registers to the presets (nasty). 04 gives a lightshow when you turn the preset knob 09 takes you to the normal vortex operation Andy Butler From ???@??? Thu Oct 29 00:30:09 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id TAA22583; Wed, 28 Oct 1998 19:24:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 19:24:08 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <2148EC143F29D1118BE000805FC13CD06E9838@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Question Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 17:15:15 -0600 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Resent-Message-ID: <"fMMri3.0.I36.bNwDs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2519 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com but on power tools it was probably EH16 . . . no? > -----Original Message----- > From: Andreas Willers [SMTP:AWillers@compuserve.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 1998 14:39 > To: INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Subject: RE: Question > > He used to use the EH but that probably broke and he has a PCM 42 > nowadays. > He doesn't loop rhythms, just layers of delay, sometimes sped up (octave > up) From ???@??? Thu Oct 29 00:30:18 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id VAA08390; Wed, 28 Oct 1998 21:15:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 21:15:55 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: PJBMHB@aol.com Message-ID: <4d88b795.3637be7f@aol.com> Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 20:01:51 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Question Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 41 Resent-Message-ID: <"NLMOF3.0.kG2.pxxDs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2520 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com my guess is it was the eh. =-) PJ From ???@??? Thu Oct 29 00:30:26 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id WAA30980; Wed, 28 Oct 1998 22:06:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 22:06:54 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: PJBMHB@aol.com Message-ID: <62d35ca9.3637cfa0@aol.com> Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 21:14:56 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Vortex Tips(How?) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 41 Resent-Message-ID: <"oM46z.0.ZD2.Y0zDs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2521 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com you people have way too much time on your hands. go outside!! get some fresh air!! =-) PJ From ???@??? Thu Oct 29 00:30:38 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id WAA17699; Wed, 28 Oct 1998 22:46:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 22:46:41 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Collins" To: Subject: Re: Question Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 22:29:03 -0500 Message-ID: <01be02ec$469bb6e0$511cbfa8@0QHC6SIA> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"IyhmN1.0.VW2.v5-Ds"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2523 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I'd like to know that too. it's the looper I've been searching for. Jeff Collins -----Original Message----- From: Matthew Turner To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Wednesday, October 28, 1998 10:04 PM Subject: Re: Question >speaking of the PDS-8000, does anyone know where to find these things >anymore? > > From ???@??? Thu Oct 29 00:30:25 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id WAA30510; Wed, 28 Oct 1998 22:06:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 22:06:03 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3637E152.599168B3@tstar.net> Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 21:30:27 -0600 From: Matthew Turner Organization: Anathema Enterprises X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 (Macintosh; U; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Question X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <00143D0C.C21407@wj.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"MVR7f.0.Ky2.s6zDs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2522 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com speaking of the PDS-8000, does anyone know where to find these things anymore? From ???@??? Thu Oct 29 00:30:39 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id XAA26930; Wed, 28 Oct 1998 23:06:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 23:06:22 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3637E3BB.4E54DA61@latrobe.edu.au> Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 14:40:43 +1100 From: Brad Knox Reply-To: B.Knox@latrobe.edu.au X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Question (vortex) References: <00143D0C.C21407@wj.com> <3637E152.599168B3@tstar.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"bdYSF1.0.RM4.lK-Ds"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2524 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Matthew Turner wrote: > > speaking of the PDS-8000, does anyone know where to find these things > anymore? > then i wrote: > > speaking of the vortex, does anyone know where to find one in Australia? > just one.... > sorry in advance.... brad From ???@??? Thu Oct 29 00:30:43 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id AAA32754; Thu, 29 Oct 1998 00:38:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 00:38:42 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <016c01be02fc$42c25a00$a298adce@hideo> Reply-To: "Tom Lambrecht" From: "Tom Lambrecht" To: Subject: Re: PDS 8000 WAS:Question Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 23:23:26 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"q7Spu2.0.Ma6.fl_Ds"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2525 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com -----Original Message----- From: Collins To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Wednesday, October 28, 1998 9:52 PM Subject: Re: Question they crop up from time to time in the usual places (Harmony, newsgroups and of course, East Coast pond scum dealer auctions ;) last one I knew of belonged to a synth junkie who wanted $120 or part of my Prophet 2002 (HAH) if you can live with the rack, the RDS is more findable and vversatile (I wuv mine) drone on~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Tom >I'd like to know that too. it's the looper I've been searching for. >Jeff Collins > >-----Original Message----- >From: Matthew Turner > > >>speaking of the PDS-8000, does anyone know where to find these things >>anymore? >> From ???@??? Thu Oct 29 10:02:37 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id LAA08851; Thu, 29 Oct 1998 11:33:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 11:33:36 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 11:10:14 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: puters in real time Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 170 Resent-Message-ID: <"CCrAm1.0.vJ1.vE9Es"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2526 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com about a week ago, i went and saw ed chang "spin 17" at a show here in pittsburgh, wonderfully wild and wacky, great on the edge of your seat music, and i might add, ed is a really nice fellow......the last group on the show was a pittsburgh based band, "organization re information", now on tour with "man or astro-man".....they "ori" used nothing but power macs. refering back to some older posts, it was really neat to see two guys and a gal standing there playing computer keyboards....there was a good deal of looping going on and the sounds (samples) were great, all of this done in real time....they were using their own soft-ware, ive no idea as to what it was because i am totally computer ill-literate. even though their music sounded like a group of people playing synths sans keyboards it was a treat....with all this talk about computer based loopers, if anyone would be interested in getting in touch with these folks i will try to find their e-mail address, they may be able share some ideas as to what they are using, let me know...........michael From ???@??? Fri Oct 30 01:49:03 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id LAA10162; Thu, 29 Oct 1998 11:37:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 11:37:58 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <519149d2.3638957f@aol.com> Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 11:19:11 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: cheap acid Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 170 Resent-Message-ID: <"k9en43.0.Ai1.TN9Es"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2527 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com for those of you interested, i found this on harmony-central today......"If ACID caught your attention but it didn't fit into your budget, then you might want to consider the newly released ACID pH1. This version doesn't have all the features of the original ACID, but it has a list price of $99.95"..........hope its not the brown stuff.......michael From ???@??? Fri Oct 30 01:48:05 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id NAA02248; Thu, 29 Oct 1998 13:47:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 13:47:58 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Subject: Re: cheap acid Date: Thu, 29 Oct 98 11:23:51 -0600 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: Doug Tapia To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Message-ID: <1302462448-125038850@arts.unco.edu> Resent-Message-ID: <"2mKUb.0.NC7.z8BEs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2531 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Acid Ph1 is already shipping, is inexpensive and does most everything that people were doing with Acid anyway: Same drop-a-loop interface as Acid, you can adjust envelopes, sweep filters, etc. I would tend to do most of my sound twisting, etc in Sound Forge or some other similar program, anyway. Looks just like Acid, too. FWIW, Doug From ???@??? Fri Oct 30 01:48:01 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id NAA28547; Thu, 29 Oct 1998 13:17:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 13:17:57 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19981029113416.007d3a40@wavefront.com> X-Sender: chuck.zwicky@wavefront.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 11:34:16 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Chuck Zwicky Subject: Re: echoplex or jamman? In-Reply-To: <199810260004.BAA12612@mail.euroweb.hu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"8Qs_L2.0.Q05.5UAEs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2528 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I have used both. The jamman sounds so much better it's shocking. The EDP is very noisy. The EDP uses pre-emphasis/de-emphasis in their converter topology, this means that any signals with a lot of high end, like from a fuzzbox, will overload or alias like crazy. The EDP sounds subjectively dull or cloudy compared to the jamman. The EDP has a really amazing operating system. The 'multiply' feature is really great. I really wish that they had done a better job with the EDP circuit board layout, so that the fidelity was higher. The seem to use a decent converter in the EDP, but Lexicon has such a great design team when it comes to digital audio.... I think it is important to discuss this issue, since everyone I know who owns one has complained about the EDP's sound quality, but nobody on this list has brought this subject up. -Chuck Zwicky At 01:04 AM 10/26/98 +0100, you wrote: >Hello guys! > >Im about to buy a looper tool. It'd be either a Jamman or an Echoplex DP. > >I've read thru the specs, but for me (im a beginner on this platform) it's >like the Echoplex beats the Jamman. > >But then, why some people choosing the Jamman instead the Echoplex? > >i can not afford the two, so please lighten me up! > >a/d > > > From ???@??? Fri Oct 30 01:48:04 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id NAA29731; Thu, 29 Oct 1998 13:23:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 13:23:01 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: From: David Kirkdorffer To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Cage & Jennings Recordings -- NYC in November Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 12:57:03 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"e4TUO.0.R06.5rAEs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2529 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com http://www.virtulink.com/immp/studio5/index.htm Historical recordings of avante-garde music presented as sound installations Saturday, November 7, 1998, 2 - 9 PM Music by John Cage Saturday, November 14, 1998, 2 - 9 PM Music by Terry Jennings Studio Five Beekman 5 Beekman St. #618 New York, NY 10038 (212) 587-8107 From ???@??? Fri Oct 30 01:48:02 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id NAA30905; Thu, 29 Oct 1998 13:29:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 13:29:44 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3638B090.3434FE86@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 10:14:48 -0800 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: puters in real time References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"lGGZw2.0.bT6.5yAEs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2530 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: > about a week ago, i went and saw ed chang "spin 17" at a show here in > pittsburgh, wonderfully wild and wacky, great on the edge of your seat music, > and i might add, ed is a really nice fellow......the last group on the show > was a pittsburgh based band, "organization re information", now on tour with > "man or astro-man".....they "ori" used nothing but power macs. refering back > to some older posts, it was really neat to see two guys and a gal standing > there playing computer keyboards....there was a good deal of looping going on > and the sounds (samples) were great, all of this done in real time....they > were using their own soft-ware, ive no idea as to what it was because i am > totally computer ill-literate. even though their music sounded like a group of > people playing synths sans keyboards it was a treat....with all this talk > about computer based loopers, if anyone would be interested in getting in > touch with these folks i will try to find their e-mail address, they may be > able share some ideas as to what they are using, let me know...........michael this reminds me of a group called skot i saw at the fuse98 *typography* conference last spring in san francisco; two or three people at high-end workstations producing not only amazing sampled/looped soundscapes but realtime video projections; their brief as follows: tina frank works in vienna as a graphic designer (inwirements) and runs an internet agency (u.r.l.), mathias gmachi is a member of farmers manual, whose latest recordings, "explorers_we" have just been released by the or label in london. as skot, frank and gmachi have directed several music videos for the mego label; they have performed at the 1997 ars electronica festival, the 1997 viennale, and will create live projections for this year's sonar music festival in barcelona. interesting work in a very dada/cut-up (although i'm sure they wouldn't describe it that way) vein. lance g. From ???@??? Fri Oct 30 01:48:06 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id NAA01749; Thu, 29 Oct 1998 13:45:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 13:45:58 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: From: David Kirkdorffer To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: The Story of our Age & New reading please Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 13:23:24 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"eeFZB1.0.oR7.pDBEs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2532 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Just to offer a non-"gear" thread... Seems like my question, "What is the story of our age -- what is the music that reflects it?" left most people without a reaction -- seeming either too vague or too irrelivant. OK. Here's what i was thinking. Maybe: Jazz was the "sound of the 20's - 50's" Rock was the "sound of the 50's - 70's" In the 80's we experienced the start of a kind of post-modern melange of things In the 90's we're continuing along the same road -- but increasingly aided with technology. Seems to me that drum & bass and various IDM-oriented music best sum up the age we live in: Increasing in speed, relentless, fitting more and more intricacies into smaller and smaller spaces, crowdedness, the comoditization of emotions such that they are less trusted/needed and repetition, repetition, repetition. So, it seems to me that Looping-Music is very much working within these frames. ANOTHER QUESTION: Can anyone direct me to reading (books / magazines) that may discuss the relationship between societies and musics they produce (the chicken & egg question that has interested me for a lifetime.)??? Thanks. David K UNDO From ???@??? Fri Oct 30 01:48:08 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id OAA06642; Thu, 29 Oct 1998 14:14:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 14:14:15 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.32.19981029181557.006aadc0@net.ganymed.org> X-Sender: lorenz@net.ganymed.org X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 20:06:35 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Lorenz Haeusle Subject: Re: puters in real time Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"XrmqI.0.wx.xhBEs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2533 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com yeah, would be great if you could get their e-mail address lorenz lorenz@ganymed.org At 11:10 29.10.98 EST, you wrote: >about a week ago, i went and saw ed chang "spin 17" at a show here in >pittsburgh, wonderfully wild and wacky, great on the edge of your seat music, >and i might add, ed is a really nice fellow......the last group on the show >was a pittsburgh based band, "organization re information", now on tour with >"man or astro-man".....they "ori" used nothing but power macs. refering back >to some older posts, it was really neat to see two guys and a gal standing >there playing computer keyboards....there was a good deal of looping going on >and the sounds (samples) were great, all of this done in real time....they >were using their own soft-ware, ive no idea as to what it was because i am >totally computer ill-literate. even though their music sounded like a group of >people playing synths sans keyboards it was a treat....with all this talk >about computer based loopers, if anyone would be interested in getting in >touch with these folks i will try to find their e-mail address, they may be >able share some ideas as to what they are using, let me know...........michael > > > From ???@??? Fri Oct 30 01:48:20 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id PAA20834; Thu, 29 Oct 1998 15:37:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 15:37:49 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: Subject: RE: echoplex or jamman? Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 11:22:06 -0800 Message-ID: <000b01be0371$6a6738d0$26ee8fd1@jelbizri.linkexchange.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 In-Reply-To: <3638CA39.1646@mdbs.com> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <"VG0wr1.0.SP4.duCEs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2536 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com My $300 jam-man and vortex combo arrive tomorrow... I can't wait - especially now that I don't want an echoplex >as much< as I did :> bIz From ???@??? Fri Oct 30 01:48:22 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id PAA20111; Thu, 29 Oct 1998 15:34:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 15:34:23 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3638C9E1.10A70C39@intcpi.com> Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 15:02:43 -0500 From: "John Price" Organization: INTELLISOFT, CPI X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: The Story of our Age & New reading please References: Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------C1C7CF5E50324773E4EFC4F6" Resent-Message-ID: <"XpMWh2.0.yb3.FbCEs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2534 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com The story of the age is change and how rapidly change has come to the world's civilization. A side bar is more on the economic and social aspects of culture, music and the dominance or apparent dominace and transition of inlfuence from one culture towards another and vice versa. The bigger story within that story is where does it all go and who, why and where and when do the next steps take place. I think that there are 2 disticnt pulls happening right now. Things are wide open and full of promise and also on the brink of being really shitty and useless. Music and Musicians are less important or relevant to "people" these days but at the same time music "itself" is opening up to possibilities that were not present before. I'm uncertain as to where that leads but i suspect it will be a blurring between the lines of the whats real and whats a matter of artifice. I also look at the world economies and the the spending power of the g6 nations and base a lot of assumptions as to whats happening on economic info you can get anywhere and i forsee rocky and shifting econmic times ahead which is always a big boon to and for music and music making. Now, thats nothing new or radically different cause the state of "everything" has always been fluctuating or bouncing between sheer brilliance and or total ignorance from the beginning of creation except that from where we stand now music has never been in the position of being experienced as immediately or as en masse as it presently can be experienced and created. And yes of course they said that when the phonograph was created and the same for tv. Repetition and simplicity and moreover context will and presently does have a lot more weight where virtuosity and chops used to hold a dominion of sorts. I feel that "right now" is only a drop of water from the tip of an iceberg that will appear in perhaps the next 15-25 years coming into its own fully in possibly 50-75 years from now ( In my own humble and unscientific supposition that is :) I think that the key to the future is kinda gonna be like "Can a musician/act or entity establish something rapidly, deconstruct it and reinvent it just as soon as it has appeared" ? Whatever it will be I get a funny feeling its going to be arcade or videogame like terrain mirroring the cartoonish elements of imagination that Music is already gravitating toward. Another perspective I also firmly believe is that eno's little black box idea he came up with is gonna be the standard or of norm. Generative music is the future. I sound like that neighbor telling dustin hoffman in the graduate that he had one word for him: plastics lol :) that you potentially would have or could have put together that will be the "en masse" Generative Music will be the standard for popular music in the form of software/applets we buy that will run on either multiple hardware platforms or "Microsoft Only" platforms. And yes, I'm crazy and opinionated too :) Regards, John Price David Kirkdorffer wrote: > Just to offer a non-"gear" thread... > > Seems like my question, "What is the story of our age -- what is the music > that reflects it?" left most people without a reaction -- seeming either too > vague or too irrelivant. OK. > > Here's what i was thinking. > > Maybe: Jazz was the "sound of the 20's - 50's" > Rock was the "sound of the 50's - 70's" > > In the 80's we experienced the start of a kind of post-modern melange of > things > In the 90's we're continuing along the same road -- but increasingly aided > with technology. > > Seems to me that drum & bass and various IDM-oriented music best sum up the > age we live in: > > Increasing in speed, relentless, fitting more and more intricacies into > smaller and smaller spaces, crowdedness, the comoditization of emotions such > that they are less trusted/needed and repetition, repetition, repetition. > > So, it seems to me that Looping-Music is very much working within these > frames. > > ANOTHER QUESTION: > > Can anyone direct me to reading (books / magazines) that may discuss the > relationship between societies and musics they produce (the chicken & egg > question that has interested me for a lifetime.)??? > > Thanks. > > David K > UNDO Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="vcard.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for jprice@intcpi.com Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="vcard.vcf" Attachment converted: shards o' data:vcard.vcf 1 (TEXT/R*ch) (000016F4) From ???@??? Fri Oct 30 01:48:18 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id PAA17517; Thu, 29 Oct 1998 15:17:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 15:17:16 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3638CA39.1646@mdbs.com> Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 15:04:09 -0500 From: "Dennis W. Leas" X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win95; U) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: echoplex or jamman? References: <3.0.5.32.19981029113416.007d3a40@wavefront.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"i4fOD3.0.Ce3.ybCEs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2535 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Chuck Zwicky wrote: > > I have used both. The jamman sounds so much better it's shocking. The EDP > is very noisy. The EDP uses pre-emphasis/de-emphasis in their converter > topology, this means that any signals with a lot of high end, like from a > fuzzbox, will overload or alias like crazy. The EDP sounds subjectively > dull or cloudy compared to the jamman. ah-hah! Ah-Hah! AH-AHAH!!! Thank you! Thank you!!! This confirms that some puzzling problems I've been trying to solve as from the EDP itself! I play alot of high end stuff into my EDPs and I've had LOTS of trouble. Just try a tambourine. The input level shows everything is kosher but IT SOUNDS LIKE CRAP! To control the distortion I've resorted to a Behringer compressor and side-chained in a high pass filter. The tambourine sounds acceptable and my bass drum isn't compromised too much. I can really hear the aliasing you mentioned when I play a ting-sha (sort of a heavy finger cymbal) into the EDP. > The EDP has a really amazing operating system. The 'multiply' feature is > really great. I agree. The more I use the EDP, the more I appreciate the interface. - Dennis Leas -- dennis@mdbs.com From ???@??? Fri Oct 30 01:48:31 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id QAA30951; Thu, 29 Oct 1998 16:33:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 16:33:09 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <2.2.32.19981029211127.00dc1328@pop.chromatic.com> X-Sender: kflint@pop.chromatic.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 13:11:27 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: echoplex or jamman? Resent-Message-ID: <"9xKvi.0.Ne6.-dDEs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2537 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 11:34 AM 10/29/98 -0600, Chuck Zwicky vitriolically wrote: >I have used both. The jamman sounds so much better it's shocking. The EDP >is very noisy. The EDP uses pre-emphasis/de-emphasis in their converter >topology, this means that any signals with a lot of high end, like from a >fuzzbox, will overload or alias like crazy. The EDP sounds subjectively >dull or cloudy compared to the jamman. If you have this problem, it means you have the input level set too high, and you are clipping the digital input. If you turn the input down a bit, the problem goes away. Every person I've every dealt with who had this complaint was happy after they knew how to set the input level right. Personally, I use the echoplex with drum loops containing lots of cymbals, and have no trouble with high end response at all. On older units, the problem was compounded by too much gain in the input, so it was a little difficult to set properly. Most of the range of the input volume knob was way too loud, and people tended to have it way too high. That gain range was reset some time ago, so it's much easier to work with now. This has been covered here numerous times, and is also in the echoplex FAQ on the website. If you have an older unit and want to change how the input gain works, that mod is also in the FAQ. >I really wish that they had done a better job with the EDP circuit board >layout, so that the fidelity was higher. The seem to use a decent converter >in the EDP, but Lexicon has such a great design team when it comes to >digital audio.... I measured the Echoplex's audio characteristics on an Audio Precision meter. >From memory (sorry, I don't have the details with me...they all get ~): Signal-to-Noise Ratio (A-weighted): ~88dB Signal-to-Noise Ratio (unweighted): ~80dB Freq Response (+0/-3dB): 18Hz - 19.5KHz If you have the input signal too high, you definitely see the frequency response roll off in the high end. That's why it is important to set the input level correctly. I typically use the loudest signal with the most high end I expect to use (typically a crash cymbal, or a loud/clean skank guitar thing) in a loop to set the level to where it does not clip. kim ________________________________________________________ Kim Flint, MTS 408-752-9284 Chromatic Research kflint@chromatic.com http://www.chromatic.com From ???@??? Fri Oct 30 01:48:34 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id QAA01052; Thu, 29 Oct 1998 16:48:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 16:48:28 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <2.2.32.19981029211936.00d87604@pop.chromatic.com> X-Sender: kflint@pop.chromatic.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 13:19:36 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: echoplex or jamman? Resent-Message-ID: <"7K0gW1.0.rz6.jlDEs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2538 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 03:04 PM 10/29/98 -0500, Dennis W. Leas wrote: >Chuck Zwicky wrote: >> >> I have used both. The jamman sounds so much better it's shocking. The EDP >> is very noisy. The EDP uses pre-emphasis/de-emphasis in their converter >> topology, this means that any signals with a lot of high end, like from a >> fuzzbox, will overload or alias like crazy. The EDP sounds subjectively >> dull or cloudy compared to the jamman. > >ah-hah! Ah-Hah! AH-AHAH!!! Thank you! Thank you!!! This confirms that some puzzling >problems I've been trying to solve as from the EDP itself! > >I play alot of high end stuff into my EDPs and I've had LOTS of trouble. Just try a >tambourine. The input level shows everything is kosher but IT SOUNDS LIKE CRAP! To control >the distortion I've resorted to a Behringer compressor and side-chained in a high pass filter. > The tambourine sounds acceptable and my bass drum isn't compromised too much. I can really >hear the aliasing you mentioned when I play a ting-sha (sort of a heavy finger cymbal) into >the EDP. Again, you have the input too high, and you are clipping the digital audio path. Set the input level correctly on the Echoplex, and you won't have this problem. Use the tambourine as a reference signal, and refer to your ears before the Level LED. When the tambourine sounds fine in a loop, you are set. BTW, it's not aliasing you are hearing, but the sound of a VCA clipping by the excessive input level. It doesn't sound pretty, but the convertor is recording it in the loop the way it gets it. and FWIW, one of the most common complaints I heard about the jamman when it first came out related to poor sound quality, especially too much noise. I imagine they improved on that from the early units, as I didn't hear those complaints later. maybe something to think about if you are looking for a used one. kim ________________________________________________________ Kim Flint, MTS 408-752-9284 Chromatic Research kflint@chromatic.com http://www.chromatic.com From ???@??? Fri Oct 30 01:49:32 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id WAA25764; Thu, 29 Oct 1998 22:25:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 22:25:06 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199810300304.VAA18027@supermail.globaldialog.com> Subject: Re: cheap acid Date: Thu, 29 Oct 98 22:02:25 -0000 x-sender: camuscar@pop.globaldialog.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0, March 15, 1997 From: To: "Looper's Delight" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <"ShPpM3.0.uf5.0qIEs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2547 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com You think that's cool..check this out: Sonic Foundry is releasing an even cheaper version of ACID for about $50 bucks. The good part is that it'll be coming in different 'flavors' (DJ, Rock, etc...), and for your $50, you'll get a downscaled version of ACID and about 800 loops! 800 LOOPS! I also heard that some of these loops are totally cool, done by the likes of Bill Laswell, some well-known guitarists, etc. Funny thing is, the packages won't be available at music stores...they're going out to the gamer's market, like Best Buy, Comp USA, etc. Strange but true... >for those of you interested, i found this on harmony-central today......"If >ACID caught your attention but it didn't fit into your budget, then you might >want to consider the newly released ACID pH1. This version doesn't have all >the features of the original ACID, but it has a list price of >$99.95"..........hope its not the brown stuff.......michael > From ???@??? Fri Oct 30 01:48:46 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id SAA20699; Thu, 29 Oct 1998 18:24:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 18:24:58 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3638F3D1.63D9@mdbs.com> Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 18:01:37 -0500 From: "Dennis W. Leas" X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win95; U) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: echoplex or jamman? References: <2.2.32.19981029211936.00d87604@pop.chromatic.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Gsidy1.0.O54.GCFEs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2541 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Kim Flint wrote: > > Again, you have the input too high, and you are clipping the digital audio > path. Set the input level correctly on the Echoplex, and you won't have this > problem. Use the tambourine as a reference signal, and refer to your ears > before the Level LED. When the tambourine sounds fine in a loop, you are set. As always, I appreciate your response, Kim. But have you tried a real tambourine? I don't have problems with real cymbals and drums. I definitely have problems with the tambourine and ting-sha. When I turn the gain down enough for the tambourine everything else is far too low. I'm using a Shure SM-57 and a Tascam 1024 mixer. I have the EDP plumbed into the AUX 1 and returning to a line-level channel. I am especially interested in your response to trying a real tambourine. - Dennis Leas -- dennis@mdbs.com From ???@??? Fri Oct 30 01:48:58 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id TAA27136; Thu, 29 Oct 1998 19:08:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 19:08:03 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 18:48:05 -0500 From: Andreas Willers Subject: Re: echoplex or jamman? Sender: Andreas Willers To: "INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Message-ID: <199810291848_MC2-5E79-8CAC@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"5oTY8.0.Ex5.4yFEs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2542 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com -------------------- Begin Original Message -------------------- Message text written by INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com "If you have the input signal too high, you definitely see the frequency response roll off in the high end. That's why it is important to set the input level correctly. I typically use the loudest signal with the most high end I expect to use (typically a crash cymbal, or a loud/clean skank guitar thing) in a loop to set the level to where it does not clip. kim" -------------------- End Original Message -------------------- I received my brand new EOP yesterday. Having more or less experience with the tc 2290, the jamman and the Boomerang I must say it has incredible features (Multiply, Insert, Undo Overdub, multi loops etc.) that take the whole process of loopage into a different league. Am impressed with all those little things you can adjust ('round', quantizise etc. etc.) - too bad you can't store presets (five or so would do). Sound quality was no problem at all (although I play guitar only and tambourine can be a bitch to pick up) nor was setting IN/OUT levels. Generally I try to get along with the least amount of boxes, shortest connections etc. in my FX loop chain and nowadays put nothing between the instrument and the preamp - sounds much better. The 'Rang is a little noisy but I compensate for that by putting it way back in the signal chain just before only one of the power amp's stereo inputs (since it is mono) leaving the other channel untouched. Best, Andreas (Looking forward to my first EDP'd solo gig next week) From ???@??? Fri Oct 30 01:49:15 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id UAA04035; Thu, 29 Oct 1998 20:08:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 20:08:18 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <2.2.32.19981030005208.00949950@pop.chromatic.com> X-Sender: kflint@pop.chromatic.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 16:52:08 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: echoplex or jamman? Resent-Message-ID: <"NitxD.0.eK.tsGEs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2543 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 06:48 PM 10/29/98 -0500, Andreas Willers wrote: >I received my brand new EOP yesterday. Having more or less experience with >the tc 2290, the jamman and the Boomerang I must say it has incredible >features (Multiply, Insert, Undo Overdub, multi loops etc.) that take the >whole process of loopage into a different league. Am impressed with all >those little things you can adjust ('round', quantizise etc. etc.) - too >bad you can't store presets (five or so would do). we're gonna make you real happy in the near future.....;-) kim ________________________________________________________ Kim Flint, MTS 408-752-9284 Chromatic Research kflint@chromatic.com http://www.chromatic.com From ???@??? Fri Oct 30 01:49:04 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id UAA06352; Thu, 29 Oct 1998 20:24:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 20:24:03 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <36391361.67650AA8@stic.net> Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 19:16:18 -0600 From: "James H. Sidlo" Organization: James H. Sidlo X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Question References: <2148EC143F29D1118BE000805FC13CD06E9838@migarexch01.maritz.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"w0Wqi.0._71.x8HEs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2544 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Liebig, Steuart A. wrote: > but on power tools it was probably EH16 . . . no? > What is the EH16? Are they not manufactured anymore? James > jameshsidlo@stic.net > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Andreas Willers [SMTP:AWillers@compuserve.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 1998 14:39 > > To: INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > > Subject: RE: Question > > > > He used to use the EH but that probably broke and he has a PCM 42 > > nowadays. What is the PCM 42? > > He doesn't loop rhythms, just layers of delay, sometimes sped up (octave > > up) Yes I noticed on Power Tools, he was speeding up his loops. Were > they also reversed. How variable is the pitch? James From ???@??? Fri Oct 30 01:49:43 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id BAA14243; Fri, 30 Oct 1998 01:44:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 01:44:30 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199810300631.AAA08359@supermail.globaldialog.com> Subject: Re: The Story of our Age & New reading please Date: Fri, 30 Oct 98 01:29:15 -0000 x-sender: camuscar@pop.globaldialog.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0, March 15, 1997 From: To: "Looper's Delight" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <"6yh26.0.CD3.vrLEs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2555 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Coupla months ago Harper's had an article called 'Planet of Weeds'. Check it out. Lots of parallels with what's quoted here, gives me the idea that today's music is an expression of the idea of a 'Planet of Weeds'. Best, Mike (who thinks Harper's is the best rag on the planet of weeds) >Other things about our age: >- world population doubles every 40 years, and it's pretty damn crowded now. >- receiving way more information than is possible to understand, >mediastreams are constant. >- fundamentalism vs everyone else, world wide >- mass migration >- previously isolated cultures getting mixed together, trying to maintain >identity and figure out how to relate to each other > >I have no idea what the musical results will be, but I expect it will be >pretty damn screwy. :-) > >kim >________________________________________________________ From ???@??? Fri Oct 30 01:49:29 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id VAA20031; Thu, 29 Oct 1998 21:46:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 21:46:07 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19981029212541.007c4b80@unix01.voicenet.com> X-Sender: floyd@unix01.voicenet.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 21:25:41 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Floyd Miller Subject: Re: echoplex feature In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.19981030005208.00949950@pop.chromatic.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"-b5xp1.0.F54.RGIEs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2545 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 04:52 PM 10/29/98 -0800, Kim wrote: > >we're gonna make you real happy in the near future.....;-) > I like the sound of THAT! 8^) **************** ********** Floyd Miller ****** floyd@voicenet.com ** http://www.voicenet.com/~floyd From ???@??? Fri Oct 30 01:49:30 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id WAA22318; Thu, 29 Oct 1998 22:00:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 22:00:30 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: From: David Kirkdorffer To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: Our Age & New reading please Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 21:41:32 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"v4kyb3.0._s4.oWIEs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2546 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com John raises the Eno generative black-box aspect. It's been a while since I read about this -- what exacty is this? David P.S. Still looking for reading discussing the relationship between societies and the musics the produce... Any ideas? > -----Original Message----- > From: John Price [SMTP:jprice@intcpi.com] > Sent: Thursday, October 29, 1998 3:03 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Subject: Re: The Story of our Age & New reading please > > Music and Musicians are less important or relevant to "people" these days > but at > the same time music "itself" is opening up to possibilities that were not > present before. I'm uncertain as to where that leads but i suspect it will > be a > blurring between the lines of the whats real and whats a matter of > artifice. > snip > Repetition and simplicity and moreover context will and presently does > have a > lot more weight where virtuosity and chops used to hold a dominion of > sorts. > snip > I think that the key to the future is kinda gonna be like "Can a > musician/act or > entity establish something rapidly, deconstruct it and reinvent it just as > soon > as it has appeared" ? Whatever it will be I get a funny feeling its going > to be > arcade or videogame like terrain mirroring the cartoonish elements of > imagination that Music is already gravitating toward. > snip > Another perspective I also firmly believe is that eno's little black box > idea he > came up with is gonna be the standard or of norm. Generative music is the > future. I sound like that neighbor telling dustin hoffman in the graduate > that > he had one word for him: plastics lol :) that you potentially would have > or > could have put together that will be the "en masse" Generative Music will > be the > standard for popular music in the form of software/applets we buy that > will run > on either multiple hardware platforms or "Microsoft Only" platforms. > snip > And yes, I'm crazy and opinionated too :) > > Regards, > John Price > > David Kirkdorffer wrote: > > > Just to offer a non-"gear" thread... > > > > Seems like my question, "What is the story of our age -- what is the > music > > that reflects it?" left most people without a reaction -- seeming either > too > > vague or too irrelivant. OK. > > > > Here's what i was thinking. > > > > Maybe: Jazz was the "sound of the 20's - 50's" > > Rock was the "sound of the 50's - 70's" > > > > In the 80's we experienced the start of a kind of post-modern melange of > > things > > In the 90's we're continuing along the same road -- but increasingly > aided > > with technology. > > > > Seems to me that drum & bass and various IDM-oriented music best sum up > the > > age we live in: > > > > Increasing in speed, relentless, fitting more and more intricacies into > > smaller and smaller spaces, crowdedness, the comoditization of emotions > such > > that they are less trusted/needed and repetition, repetition, > repetition. > > > > So, it seems to me that Looping-Music is very much working within these > > frames. > > > > ANOTHER QUESTION: > > > > Can anyone direct me to reading (books / magazines) that may discuss the > > relationship between societies and musics they produce (the chicken & > egg > > question that has interested me for a lifetime.)??? > > > > Thanks. > > > > David K > > UNDO > > << File: Card for jprice@intcpi.com >> From ???@??? Fri Oct 30 01:49:33 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id WAA25879; Thu, 29 Oct 1998 22:26:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 22:26:11 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: KILLINFO@aol.com Message-ID: <2360b4d9.36392cf1@aol.com> Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 22:05:21 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Re: echoplex or jamman? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 59 Resent-Message-ID: <"8s8Kl3.0.Vi5.BrIEs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2548 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 10/29/98 10:17:09 AM, you wrote: >I have used both. The jamman sounds so much better it's shocking. Hmmmm, my $.02, I have owned both and prefer the EDP. From ???@??? Fri Oct 30 01:49:31 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id WAA25388; Thu, 29 Oct 1998 22:22:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 22:22:52 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: M3chakucha@aol.com Message-ID: <60b04640.36392df9@aol.com> Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 22:09:45 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: The Story of our Age & New reading, please... No Loop Material Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Resent-Message-ID: <"YS_cQ3.0.pq5.TvIEs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2549 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Dear David, For me the best way to figure out how a society or a culture generates its music was to actually be there for a time and to have friends along the way who were from the area (Kenya, Turkey, Greece, Italy and Germany) who could patch up misconceptions and help out with some ideas. Now, I am not saying that I have that much knowledge in the field, but looking to the culture of someplace that is considered "foreign" really helps out. Another thing that is a bit more helpful is learning the languages. This might be a bit over- kill, but it does give a good basis of comparison. Hope this helps out. Lee-ohki. From ???@??? Fri Oct 30 01:49:34 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id WAA26649; Thu, 29 Oct 1998 22:32:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 22:32:01 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <363933DD.6F8B@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 19:34:53 -0800 From: Andre LaFosse Reply-To: altruist@earthlink.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-MACOS8 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: The Story of our Age & New reading please References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"PkmHn1.0.n96.53JEs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2550 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com David Kirkdorffer wrote: > Here's what i was thinking. > > Maybe: Jazz was the "sound of the 20's - 50's" > Rock was the "sound of the 50's - 70's" > In the 80's we experienced the start of a kind of post-modern melange of > things > In the 90's we're continuing along the same road -- but increasingly aided > with technology. > Seems to me that drum & bass and various IDM-oriented music best sum up the > age we live in: I'd have to disagree a bit here. If there's any type of music that would follow your jazz and rock examples, both in terms of social impact and in terms of its musical role, I'd say it's got to be rap/hip-hop. The idea of a "post-modern melange of things" seems like an apt description of what happens when you start scouring the sum total of recorded history for sound sources, which is what hip-hop is based on. The sampler has had a comperable impact over the last two decades in the same way the electric guitar impacted things in the '50s and '60s, and the synthesizer in the '70s and '80s. I'd also say that pretty much any modern sample-based (and a lot of non-sample based) music owes something to hip-hop. Drum & bass, for instance, wouldn't even exist without it. THe ubiquitous '90s alterna-rock drumbeat started showing up a couple of years after is was heard as a sample of "Funky Drummer" in a million different hip-hop tunes, and there are all sorts of non-rap acts copping various musical and visual signifiers from hip-hop nowadays. Hell, just walk outside, and see how long it takes you to spot somebody sporting a pair of oversized baggy jeans! --Andre From ???@??? Fri Oct 30 01:49:36 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id WAA30195; Thu, 29 Oct 1998 22:56:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 22:56:05 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 21:42:25 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199810300342.VAA24007@mw4.texas.net> X-Sender: sharkey@mail.texas.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: james rhodes Subject: Re: Re: echoplex or jamman Resent-Message-ID: <"z4Suu.0.bz6.RNJEs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2551 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 10:05 PM 10/29/98 EST, you wrote: >In a message dated 10/29/98 10:17:09 AM, you wrote: > >>I have used both. The jamman sounds so much better it's shocking. > >Hmmmm, my $.02, I have owned both and prefer the EDP. > > >i currently own both, and use both regularly for performance. i like them both...in different ways being of such a low fi ear,,i kinda prefer the jamman as well...ok i said it...now i better go hide james From ???@??? Fri Oct 30 01:49:35 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id WAA30159; Thu, 29 Oct 1998 22:55:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 22:55:49 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <2.2.32.19981030034526.00d8338c@pop.chromatic.com> X-Sender: kflint@pop.chromatic.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 19:45:26 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: echoplex or jamman? Cc: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Resent-Message-ID: <"oQuTX2.0.z17.IPJEs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2552 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 06:01 PM 10/29/98 -0500, Dennis W. Leas wrote: >Kim Flint wrote: >> >> Again, you have the input too high, and you are clipping the digital audio >> path. Set the input level correctly on the Echoplex, and you won't have this >> problem. Use the tambourine as a reference signal, and refer to your ears >> before the Level LED. When the tambourine sounds fine in a loop, you are set. > >As always, I appreciate your response, Kim. But have you tried a real tambourine? I >don't have problems with real cymbals and drums. I definitely have problems with the >tambourine and ting-sha. When I turn the gain down enough for the tambourine everything >else is far too low. I'm using a Shure SM-57 and a Tascam 1024 mixer. I have the EDP >plumbed into the AUX 1 and returning to a line-level channel. I am especially interested >in your response to trying a real tambourine. > ah, I think what you are encountering is that the natural dynamic range of the tambourine is so very wide. I guess that's a problem that you have to deal with when using percussion instruments electronically. I don't know exactly what the tambourine response is, but I've seen snare drum transients measured over 140dB! I'd guess a tambourine would be similar or greater. A 140dB transient is more than any digital gear can manage, so the question is always going to be how badly does it fail to handle this. The echoplex, unfotunately, sounds crappy when it clips, so using some compression to tame the large attacks a little is probably a good idea. You probably don't need to compress everything though, just the tambourine and ting-sha since those have a problem. That will probably help them sound better in other gear too, although it's likely not as dramatic. The Echoplex uses a VCA to do quick analog cross-fades when you start and end loop recording, which helps prevent pops at the seam between beginning and end of the loop. This works great and solves a problem that all the other loopers seem to suffer from, but this same part sounds horrible when it clips. So it's a tradeoff there, I guess. In other gear you'd probably just be clipping opamps somewhere, which won't be so bad but not great either. I have used tambourine sounds, but they were samples or straight off a CD. So they were already compressed a bit in comparison to a live version. They sounded fine in the Echoplex, I didn't have any trouble with them as long as the input level was set correctly. kim ________________________________________________________ Kim Flint, MTS 408-752-9284 Chromatic Research kflint@chromatic.com http://www.chromatic.com From ???@??? Fri Oct 30 01:49:41 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id AAA04513; Fri, 30 Oct 1998 00:00:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 00:00:30 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <2.2.32.19981030044221.00da8030@pop.chromatic.com> X-Sender: kflint@pop.chromatic.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 20:42:21 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: The Story of our Age & New reading please Resent-Message-ID: <"EJ_g82.0.Gg.hEKEs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2553 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 07:34 PM 10/29/98 -0800, Andre LaFosse wrote: >David Kirkdorffer wrote: > >> Here's what i was thinking. >> >> Maybe: Jazz was the "sound of the 20's - 50's" >> Rock was the "sound of the 50's - 70's" >> In the 80's we experienced the start of a kind of post-modern melange of >> things >> In the 90's we're continuing along the same road -- but increasingly aided >> with technology. >> Seems to me that drum & bass and various IDM-oriented music best sum up the >> age we live in: > >I'd have to disagree a bit here. If there's any type of music that >would follow your jazz and rock examples, both in terms of social impact >and in terms of its musical role, I'd say it's got to be rap/hip-hop. interesting thing about hip-hop and another post about going to live in a culture to understand it's music.... I grew up in a white, culturally homogenized and pastuerized american middle-class suberb. Did not like or understand hip-hop then. (liked heavy metal, and later jazz-fusion, of course - the theme musics of suburbia.) moved away to a university famed (and attacked regularly) for it's multiculturalism and diversity. started liking hip-hop. Mostly "message-oriented" hip-hop like PE, KRS-one, Paris, etc. still didn't "get it" very well. For the last 5 years, lived in a poor, mostly black part of Oakland. It's so different from where I grew up that I guess you could think of it as another country in a way, or another culture anyhow. Got to know people a bit, feel much more comfortable there now. And I find I'm completely happy watching hardcore hip-hop videos on soulbeat and "the box". Go figure....music has a deep cultural connection to the people who make it. get to know the people, and the music starts to make sense. Now, I guess from experiences like this, I don't find myself reacting to new music with the almost instinctive "It's different -> I don't understand it -> I hate it -> this is not music -> what kind of losers would make trash like this" response. Now it's more like, "It's different -> why? -> what about that culture resulted in this music? -> how does this music convey those themes? -> can I learn anything from that?" Other things about our age: - world population doubles every 40 years, and it's pretty damn crowded now. - receiving way more information than is possible to understand, mediastreams are constant. - fundamentalism vs everyone else, world wide - mass migration - previously isolated cultures getting mixed together, trying to maintain identity and figure out how to relate to each other I have no idea what the musical results will be, but I expect it will be pretty damn screwy. :-) kim ________________________________________________________ Kim Flint, MTS 408-752-9284 Chromatic Research kflint@chromatic.com http://www.chromatic.com From ???@??? Fri Oct 30 01:49:42 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id BAA10350; Fri, 30 Oct 1998 01:01:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 01:01:39 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <01bd01be03c7$eae676a0$4cf1ffd0@artmusic.gte> From: "future perfect" To: Subject: Re: echoplex or jamman? Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 00:41:08 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3115.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"xcCRw1.0.k82.I8LEs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2554 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com What??? Wow! What else is planned? And how long will we have to wait? Dave Eichenberger ********************************************************************* 'Future Perfect' - art music http://home1.gte.net/artmusic/ >>too bad you can't store presets (five or so would do). > >we're gonna make you real happy in the near future.....;-) > >kim >________________________________________________________ >Kim Flint, MTS 408-752-9284 >Chromatic Research kflint@chromatic.com >http://www.chromatic.com > > From ???@??? Fri Oct 30 01:49:44 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id CAA20908; Fri, 30 Oct 1998 02:52:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 02:52:36 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19981030004634.007de220@wavefront.com> X-Sender: chuck.zwicky@wavefront.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 00:46:34 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Chuck Zwicky Subject: Re: echoplex or jamman? In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.19981029211127.00dc1328@pop.chromatic.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"zB2DW.0.6Y4.fjMEs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2556 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Kim, The circuit is so noisy that you really have to set the gain too close to the headroom limit, even with the input gain mod. -Chuck Zwicky At 01:11 PM 10/29/98 -0800, you wrote: >At 11:34 AM 10/29/98 -0600, Chuck Zwicky vitriolically wrote: >>I have used both. The jamman sounds so much better it's shocking. The EDP >>is very noisy. The EDP uses pre-emphasis/de-emphasis in their converter >>topology, this means that any signals with a lot of high end, like from a >>fuzzbox, will overload or alias like crazy. The EDP sounds subjectively >>dull or cloudy compared to the jamman. > >If you have this problem, it means you have the input level set too high, >and you are clipping the digital input. If you turn the input down a bit, >the problem goes away. Every person I've every dealt with who had this >complaint was happy after they knew how to set the input level right. >Personally, I use the echoplex with drum loops containing lots of cymbals, >and have no trouble with high end response at all. > >On older units, the problem was compounded by too much gain in the input, so >it was a little difficult to set properly. Most of the range of the input >volume knob was way too loud, and people tended to have it way too high. >That gain range was reset some time ago, so it's much easier to work with now. > >This has been covered here numerous times, and is also in the echoplex FAQ >on the website. If you have an older unit and want to change how the input >gain works, that mod is also in the FAQ. > > > >>I really wish that they had done a better job with the EDP circuit board >>layout, so that the fidelity was higher. The seem to use a decent converter >>in the EDP, but Lexicon has such a great design team when it comes to >>digital audio.... > >I measured the Echoplex's audio characteristics on an Audio Precision meter. >>From memory (sorry, I don't have the details with me...they all get ~): > >Signal-to-Noise Ratio (A-weighted): ~88dB >Signal-to-Noise Ratio (unweighted): ~80dB >Freq Response (+0/-3dB): 18Hz - 19.5KHz > >If you have the input signal too high, you definitely see the frequency >response roll off in the high end. That's why it is important to set the >input level correctly. I typically use the loudest signal with the most high >end I expect to use (typically a crash cymbal, or a loud/clean skank guitar >thing) in a loop to set the level to where it does not clip. > > >kim >________________________________________________________ >Kim Flint, MTS 408-752-9284 >Chromatic Research kflint@chromatic.com >http://www.chromatic.com > > > From ???@??? Fri Oct 30 01:49:57 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id EAA26709; Fri, 30 Oct 1998 04:24:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 04:24:03 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <363980CD.59494526@latrobe.edu.au> Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 20:03:10 +1100 From: Brad Knox Reply-To: B.Knox@latrobe.edu.au X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: The Story of our Age & New reading please References: <2.2.32.19981030044221.00da8030@pop.chromatic.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"8YIB1.0.nJ6.-8OEs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2558 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Kim Flint wrote: > > Now, I guess from experiences like this, I don't find myself reacting to new > music with the almost instinctive "It's different -> I don't understand it > -> I hate it -> this is not music -> what kind of losers would make trash > like this" response. Now it's more like, "It's different -> why? -> what > about that culture resulted in this music? -> how does this music convey > those themes? -> can I learn anything from that?" > Excellent words to live by there, Kim.... heres the same question with a different slant... "what about this culture resulted in THIS music?" ie. looping etc for me i guess the answer would be the associated isolationism... that i use a guitar is probably a remnent of the whole rock thing. but, how much of music may be put down to cultural change and how much to reaction to existing music? i wonder this about non-western (especially indian) music.. (i wonder how much the raga has changed over the last i dunno... 1000 years) it seems every musical action has an associated musical reaction... was (is?) grunge really an angsty reaction to the society of the late eighties or bland late eighties pop? is hip hop some search for urban identity/culture or just a catchy beat? i havent been "listening" to other decades as closely as the nineties (that is i've been *in* the nineties more ;) but does anyone else reckon the changes on the whole musicscape have been pretty darn fast/big compared to the eighties?... metal became industrial, hip hop exploded into a myriad of dance styles, grunge became bland pop, retro went from 60's to 70's to 80's.... (i'm talking popular stuff - my search for cds over the decade reached ever greater spirals of obscurity and hard-to-getness) hmmm maybe im just getting old (boy, things sure were different before all these new fangled changes...) brad From ???@??? Fri Oct 30 01:49:53 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id DAA23577; Fri, 30 Oct 1998 03:20:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 03:20:22 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3639817C.13DB7B00@magelang.com> Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 01:06:04 -0800 From: Jim Coker Reply-To: jcoker@magelang.com Organization: Magelang Institute X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: puters in real time References: <3.0.32.19981029181557.006aadc0@net.ganymed.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"nGMKJ1.0.GI5.jANEs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2557 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hmmmm, sounds like they could have used Opcode Max to me.... I saw a pretty interesting show in SF last month, in a loft space south of market the saturday the AES show opened. Live music and video synched together, both generated from some very complex Max patches on separate computers. Too bad I couldn't stay late enough to hear the oberheim expander quartet :) Jim Lorenz Haeusle wrote: > > yeah, would be great if you could get their e-mail address > lorenz > lorenz@ganymed.org > > At 11:10 29.10.98 EST, you wrote: > >about a week ago, i went and saw ed chang "spin 17" at a show here in > >pittsburgh, wonderfully wild and wacky, great on the edge of your seat music, > >and i might add, ed is a really nice fellow......the last group on the show > >was a pittsburgh based band, "organization re information", now on tour with > >"man or astro-man".....they "ori" used nothing but power macs. refering back > >to some older posts, it was really neat to see two guys and a gal standing > >there playing computer keyboards....there was a good deal of looping going on > >and the sounds (samples) were great, all of this done in real time....they > >were using their own soft-ware, ive no idea as to what it was because i am > >totally computer ill-literate. even though their music sounded like a > group of > >people playing synths sans keyboards it was a treat....with all this talk > >about computer based loopers, if anyone would be interested in getting in > >touch with these folks i will try to find their e-mail address, they may be > >able share some ideas as to what they are using, let me > know...........michael > > > > > > From ???@??? Fri Oct 30 11:03:51 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id JAA25535; Fri, 30 Oct 1998 09:48:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 09:48:32 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199810301341.WAA15685@pop1.ngy.3web.ne.jp> X-Mailer: Macintosh Eudora Pro Version 3.1.1-Jr2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/enriched; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 22:40:22 +0900 To: tomc@klingon.netkonect.net, thelab@sprint.ca, wmf@mail.tsi-gmbh.de, tech@kenton.co.uk, EMIS@dial.pipex.com, tenebre@pronet.it, artzero@hol.fr, masset.fcom@wanadoo.fr, symsound@SymbolicSound.com, tgerwing@pacificcoast.net, Laz_Harris@sweetwater.com, mkmccabe@earthlink.net, eloubet@gol.com, matunaka@rittor-music.co.jp, miyoshi@rittor-music.co.jp, Djazz2001@aol.com, sb5c-haco@asahi-net.or.jp, miyoshi-naomi@email.msn.com, hemp@osk4.3web.ne.jp, kawanadi@pop1.osk.3web.ne.jp, kikky@tkc.att.ne.jp, mixa@dd.iij4u.or.jp, collinsclan@sprintmail.com, kazemai@osk3.3web.ne.jp, yoshiken@xmit.org, s-abe-ay@ns0.mahoroba.ne.jp, kawanadi@osk.3web.ne.jp, mieko@wolfen.netkonect.co.uk, morand.fcom@wanadoo.fr, bonbon@pop.ro.bekkoame.or.jp, robinr@easynet.co.uk, arcsound@ix.netcom.com, guymarc@mail.switchon.be, fw@mail.switchon.be, phermn@klingon.netkonect.net, interval@netcom.com, kelly@net2000ke.com, akiharat@hakuhodo.co.jp, prikos@worldnet.fr, loop@entranet.co.uk, ma0930ki@mx.alles.or.jp, josephbuck@hotmail.com, drumfm@hotmail.com, kozueshoji@email.msn.com, hiroshi-yamazaki@kingrecords.co.jp, eiiti@sun.tokyo.inetc.com, wkamiryo@mail.st.rim.or.jp, mach25@inow.com, dayan@osk.3web.ne.jp, janos@execulink.com, WineCntry@aol.com, eskmt@super-edition.com, hanjo-co@pop.fa2.so-net.or.jp, Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, stayclose@moon.cooshin.kita.osaka.jp, user-forum@waldorf-gmbh.de From: Sunao Inami Subject: REAL VIDEO streaming tomorrow!! Resent-Message-ID: <"x0A3j1.0._H3.HGSEs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2559 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi friends, We will streaming our live gig via Real Video system tomorrow. The streaming time is AM 9:30 to PM 5:00 31th Oct. (It is Japanese Standerd time. GMT is AM1:30 to AM9:00 31th Oct.) URL : http://virtual.akashi.ne.jp/~akamatsu/aaa.htm Genevaand http://virtual.akashi.ne.jp/~akamatsu/bbb.htm It need Real Audio plug in for Netscape or IE. And pnm://realserver.kobedenshi.ac.jp/gakusai/Genevaaaa.rm and pnm://realserver.kobedenshi.ac.jp/gakusai/Genevabbb.rm Those location are direct connet for Real Player . Best Regards Sunao Inami Work E-mail webmaster@cavestudio.com URL"CAVE Studio" http://www.cavestudio.com tel&fax +81 794 89 5025 Hyogo,Japan Home E-mail cave@osk.3web.ne.jp URL"cave home" http://www.threeweb.ad.jp/~cave/ tel&fax +81 794 89 5015 Hyogo,Japan snail mail address 316 Ohshima Kuchiyokawa Miki City Hyogo Japan 6730755 From ???@??? Fri Oct 30 11:03:43 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id JAA17999; Fri, 30 Oct 1998 09:21:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 09:21:10 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <012901be040c$a261f540$c5b854ce@mark.asisoftware.com> From: Mark@asisoftware.com (Mark Kata) To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: Halloween Loops Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 08:53:12 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"0Vfgf1.0.7O3.AKSEs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2560 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi Loopers, It's time for the annual Halloween loop. Just set up your looping right and a few Marshall stacks on your front porch, create a scary loop and watch your neighbors cringe as they bring their kids by for trick or treating. Mark Kata Mark@asisoftware.com From ???@??? Fri Oct 30 11:03:44 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id JAA19800; Fri, 30 Oct 1998 09:33:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 09:33:25 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: From: David Kirkdorffer To: Kim Flint , Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Our Age & New reading please Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 09:04:27 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"FKN0a.0.uy3.xWSEs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2561 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Kim wrote: Other things about our age: - world population doubles every 40 years, and it's pretty damn crowded now. - receiving way more information than is possible to understand, mediastreams are constant. - fundamentalism vs everyone else, world wide - mass migration - previously isolated cultures getting mixed together, trying to maintain identity and figure out how to relate to each other I have no idea what the musical results will be, but I expect it will be pretty damn screwy. :-) I've gotta agree with Kim. It's getting pretty damn weird. Seems like cultures are moving in all sorts of directions at once and music reflecting that. Fads, fads, fads... There less and less of a universally appealing music / star. Niches, niches, niches... Maybe that's the theme of our age? With so may of us there are niche-cultures the size of entire cultures from 20-40 years ago... David From ???@??? Fri Oct 30 11:03:47 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id JAA23301; Fri, 30 Oct 1998 09:43:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 09:43:38 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <2C396693FBDED111AEF60000F84104A71A65B6@indyexch_fddi.indy.tce.com> From: Hoover Alan To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: echoplex or jamman? Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 09:07:41 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"0zkVh3.0.U-3.gXSEs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2562 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com You're right about the tambourine dynamic range, Kim. What's more, tamborine is RICH in frequencies above 20 Khz, all the way to the 50 KHz range. This will get past the anti-aliasing filters, rendering them less effective. So, in addition to compressing the tambourine, heavy filtering of the highs above 15Khz (or compressing those highs) would possibly help. This is one of those special cases where higher digital sampling frequency would be of great advantage. -----Original Message----- From: Kim Flint [mailto:kflint@chromatic.com] Sent: Thursday, October 29, 1998 10:45 PM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Cc: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: echoplex or jamman? At 06:01 PM 10/29/98 -0500, Dennis W. Leas wrote: >Kim Flint wrote: >> >> Again, you have the input too high, and you are clipping the digital audio >> path. Set the input level correctly on the Echoplex, and you won't have this >> problem. Use the tambourine as a reference signal, and refer to your ears >> before the Level LED. When the tambourine sounds fine in a loop, you are set. > >As always, I appreciate your response, Kim. But have you tried a real tambourine? I >don't have problems with real cymbals and drums. I definitely have problems with the >tambourine and ting-sha. When I turn the gain down enough for the tambourine everything >else is far too low. I'm using a Shure SM-57 and a Tascam 1024 mixer. I have the EDP >plumbed into the AUX 1 and returning to a line-level channel. I am especially interested >in your response to trying a real tambourine. > ah, I think what you are encountering is that the natural dynamic range of the tambourine is so very wide. I guess that's a problem that you have to deal with when using percussion instruments electronically. I don't know exactly what the tambourine response is, but I've seen snare drum transients measured over 140dB! I'd guess a tambourine would be similar or greater. A 140dB transient is more than any digital gear can manage, so the question is always going to be how badly does it fail to handle this. The echoplex, unfotunately, sounds crappy when it clips, so using some compression to tame the large attacks a little is probably a good idea. You probably don't need to compress everything though, just the tambourine and ting-sha since those have a problem. That will probably help them sound better in other gear too, although it's likely not as dramatic. The Echoplex uses a VCA to do quick analog cross-fades when you start and end loop recording, which helps prevent pops at the seam between beginning and end of the loop. This works great and solves a problem that all the other loopers seem to suffer from, but this same part sounds horrible when it clips. So it's a tradeoff there, I guess. In other gear you'd probably just be clipping opamps somewhere, which won't be so bad but not great either. I have used tambourine sounds, but they were samples or straight off a CD. So they were already compressed a bit in comparison to a live version. They sounded fine in the Echoplex, I didn't have any trouble with them as long as the input level was set correctly. kim ________________________________________________________ Kim Flint, MTS 408-752-9284 Chromatic Research kflint@chromatic.com http://www.chromatic.com From ???@??? Fri Oct 30 11:03:53 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id JAA29349; Fri, 30 Oct 1998 09:57:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 09:57:04 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: From: David Kirkdorffer To: Kim Flint , Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: EDP Presets? Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 09:10:41 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"0hoFP2.0.c94.rcSEs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2563 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com KIM - Did I understand this correctly??? EDP Pre-sets! YES YES YES!!!!! Life is GOOD! David K UNDO > -----Original Message----- > From: Kim Flint [SMTP:kflint@chromatic.com] > Sent: Thursday, October 29, 1998 7:52 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Subject: Re: echoplex or jamman? > > At 06:48 PM 10/29/98 -0500, Andreas Willers wrote: > > >I received my brand new EOP yesterday. Having more or less experience > with > >the tc 2290, the jamman and the Boomerang I must say it has incredible > >features (Multiply, Insert, Undo Overdub, multi loops etc.) that take the > >whole process of loopage into a different league. Am impressed with all > >those little things you can adjust ('round', quantizise etc. etc.) - too > >bad you can't store presets (five or so would do). > > we're gonna make you real happy in the near future.....;-) > > kim > ________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint, MTS 408-752-9284 > Chromatic Research kflint@chromatic.com > http://www.chromatic.com From ???@??? Fri Oct 30 12:55:29 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id OAA23450; Fri, 30 Oct 1998 14:34:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 14:34:17 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3639C970.B00B29E4@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 14:13:12 +0000 From: Marcus Farny Reply-To: marcus@pocketfuel.com Organization: Pocket Fuel X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01aC-DIAL (Macintosh; U; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: cheap acid X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <199810300304.VAA18027@supermail.globaldialog.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------B267C81839803A7E66F29B10" Resent-Message-ID: <"iao0N1.0.8U3.m0XEs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2576 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hello Loopers,
You think that's cool..check this out: Sonic Foundry is releasing an even
cheaper version of ACID for about $50 bucks. The good part is that it'll
be coming in different 'flavors' (DJ, Rock, etc...), and for your $50,
you'll get a downscaled version of ACID and about 800 loops! 800 LOOPS! I
Just to make sure that everybody understands the different versions of ACID:This version (ph2) is a really stripped down version. It is basically a 8 track sequencer. You do not have the different effects of the midi possibilities. You do however get a lot of loops, and that alone is worth $ 50.00 in my opinion. As a far as I know the following versions should be available within the next couple of weeks. : ACID Rock, DJ.

also heard that some of these loops are totally cool, done by the likes
of Bill Laswell, some well-known guitarists, etc.

You can download some free loops to audition from their web site. www.sonicfoundry.com

I hope this helped.

Marcus Farny

Pocket Fuel / Sound developer Sonic Foundry
 http://www.pocketfuel.com
  From ???@??? Fri Oct 30 12:55:25 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id KAA10485; Fri, 30 Oct 1998 10:29:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 10:29:32 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3639D166.1259@mdbs.com> Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 09:47:02 -0500 From: "Dennis W. Leas" X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win95; U) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: new EDP features (was: echoplex or jamman?) References: <2.2.32.19981030005208.00949950@pop.chromatic.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"S7hU-.0.Qj5.a2TEs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2564 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Kim Flint wrote: > > we're gonna make you real happy in the near future.....;-) > I like to hear that! You know, you guys already are batting 1000 as far as I'm concerned. It's hard to describe how much pleasure I've derived over the past few year from looping via the EDP. Many years ago, I used an old TEAC 4 track for awhile but I gave up looping because such "primitve" technology got in the way. I find the EDP so incredibly easy to use, in comparison, that it usually doesn't get in the way of my creativity. But enough of my effusions...since you brought up the future of the EDP, I've been meaning to share these thoughts: How about a new additional unit, I'll call the "EDP Helper?" I'll try to explain it's proposed features without too much meandering. 1) The EDP is wonderful as a stand-alone unit. A pair of EDPs also works very well for stereo. What I want to do, however, is to use several in a synchronized fashion. The paradigm here, probably due to my history of tape machine usage, is to view multiple EDPs as tracks on a multi-track recorder. Of course, because of the nature of solid-state, digital recorders like the EDP, you'd expect them to do things tape recorders couldn't do. The "EDP Helper" would have many features specifically designed to operate multiple EDPs. These features would include manipulation of MIDI clock timing, starting and stopping loops (perhaps sequencing through the memories of an EDP, e.g., do {play loop from MEM 1 twice, followed by loop from MEM 2} ) and a user interface specifically designed for multiple EDPs. 2) As a central control, the "EDP Helper" would also have MIDI sequencing features (at a basic level) in order to support changing parameters and operating modes of the EDPs. Players would use the "EDP Helper" instead of a full-featured sequencer to change, for example, the number of beats/8ths for a particular EDP. This sequencing feature, as well as other features, could perhaps be optionally controlled by a nifty GUI program on Mac or PC. 3) The display of the "EDP Helper" would supplement the EDP display. For example, I could really use a display that shows where I am in the loop. It could be as simple as a "count-up" which is reset at the loop start (similar to the regular EDP display when recording). The player could select what kind of information to display and which "slave" EDP would be the source. 4) The audio looping features of the "EDP Helper" would be light-weight when compared to the EDP. For example, when I use multiple EDPs in a synchronized fashion, I designate one of them to function as the "master" MIDI clock source. I play a simple pattern into the master, many times just a shaker, clave, or bass drum pattern. I don't need to do things like INSERT, NEXT LOOP, and so forth. I use the "master" EDP simply as the MIDI clock source. Most times, after I build synchronized loops on other EDPs, I fade out the master EDP for the duration of the piece. Conversely, if somebody only had an "EDP Helper", they could still do useful looping with it. This would expand the market for an "EDP Helper" beyond owners of multiple EDPs. As described above, the "EDP Helper" would be very heavy on the control and display features and light on the audio feature. Perhaps, it could even be implemented totally in software. Your thoughts??? - Dennis Leas -- dennis@mdbs.com From ???@??? Fri Oct 30 11:04:08 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id KAA05857; Fri, 30 Oct 1998 10:18:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 10:18:06 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <01BE03EA.9F6B6A00@tor-usr10.074240.aracnet.net> From: Jon Grant To: "'Loopers-Delight'" Subject: ...yet another new CD with some looping from a member of our list Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 09:48:43 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"DwRX-1.0.eB7.8FTEs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2565 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Just a brief note to annouce the completion of "The Three Ravens" - an album of 11 traditional songs from Scotland, England, & Ireland. Arrangments vary in style from traditional acoustic to Celtic Rock and on to eclectic textures featuring instruments from around the world. And yes. . . LOOPING IS USED in a number of the tracks (some obvious and some quite subtle). To hear RealAudio clips go to the website: http://www.aracnet.net/~tianmus/3%20Ravens%20Title.htm . Should any visitors happen to particularly like the music, there is an order form on the website (no hard sell here, and I certainly don't want to ignite any debates on CD prices - I feel it is reasonably priced at $15 CANADIAN plus shipping). Reviews have been good so far. Let me know what you think. Cheers, Jon Grant From ???@??? Fri Oct 30 11:04:09 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id KAA12724; Fri, 30 Oct 1998 10:34:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 10:34:51 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3639D6C7.5FE2@mdbs.com> Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 10:09:59 -0500 From: "Dennis W. Leas" X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win95; U) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: echoplex or jamman? References: <2C396693FBDED111AEF60000F84104A71A65B6@indyexch_fddi.indy.tce.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"rhFj03.0.hD.6OTEs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2566 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hoover Alan wrote: > > You're right about the tambourine dynamic range, Kim. What's more, > tamborine is RICH in frequencies above 20 Khz, all the way to the 50 KHz > range. This will get past the anti-aliasing filters, rendering them less > effective. So, in addition to compressing the tambourine, heavy filtering > of the highs above 15Khz (or compressing those highs) would possibly help. > This is one of those special cases where higher digital sampling frequency > would be of great advantage. Thanks for this information. It occurs to me that maybe I should just use a really cheap mic. ;) - Dennis Leas -- dennis@mdbs.com From ???@??? Fri Oct 30 11:04:16 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id LAA09481; Fri, 30 Oct 1998 11:40:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 11:40:57 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3639E6C0.501E@mdbs.com> Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 11:18:08 -0500 From: "Dennis W. Leas" X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win95; U) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: new EDP features (was: echoplex or jamman?) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"54Toy2.0.RO7.3OUEs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2570 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com (I'm re-sending this as it didn't seem to go out correctly the first time. Please pardon if you get this twice. - DL) Kim Flint wrote: > > we're gonna make you real happy in the near future.....;-) > I like to hear that! You know, you guys already are batting 1000 as far as I'm concerned. It's hard to describe how much pleasure I've derived over the past few years from looping via the EDP. Many years ago, I used an old TEAC 4 track for awhile but I gave up looping because such "primitve" technology gotin the way. I find the EDP so incredibly easy to use, in comparison, that it usually doesn't get in the way of my creativity. But enough of my effusions...since you brought up the future of the EDP, I've been meaning to share these thoughts: How about a new additional unit, I'll call the "EDP Helper?" I'll try to explain it's proposed features without too much meandering. 1) The EDP is wonderful as a stand-alone unit. A pair of EDPs also works very well for stereo. What I want to do, however, is to use several in a synchronized fashion. The paradigm here, probably due to my history of tape machine usage, is to view multiple EDPs as tracks on a multi-track recorder. Of course, because of the nature of solid-state, digital recorders like the EDP, you'd expect them to do things tape recorders couldn't do. The "EDP Helper" would have many features specifically designed to operate multiple EDPs. These features would include manipulation of MIDI clock timing, starting and stopping loops (perhaps sequencing through the memories of an EDP, e.g., do {play loop from MEM 1 twice, followed by loop from MEM 2} ) and a user interface specifically designed for multiple EDPs. 2) As a central control, the "EDP Helper" would also have MIDI sequencing features (at a basic level) in order to support changing parameters and operating modes of the EDPs. Players would use the "EDP Helper" instead of a full-featured sequencer to change, for example, the number of beats/8ths for a particular EDP. This sequencing feature, as well as other features, could perhaps be optionally controlled by a nifty GUI program on Mac or PC. 3) The display of the "EDP Helper" would supplement the EDP display. For example, I could really use a display that shows where I am in the loop. It could be as simple as a "count-up" which is reset at the loop start (similar to the regular EDP display when recording). The player could select what kind of information to display and which "slave" EDP would be the source. 4) The audio looping features of the "EDP Helper" would be light-weight when compared to the EDP. For example, when I use multiple EDPs in a synchronized fashion, I designate one of them to function as the "master" MIDI clock source. I play a simple pattern into the master, many times just a shaker, clave, or bass drum pattern. I don't need to do things like INSERT, NEXT LOOP, and so forth. I use the "master" EDP simply as the MIDI clock source. Most times, after I build synchronized loops on other EDPs, I fade out the master EDP for the duration of the piece. Conversely, if somebody only had an "EDP Helper", they could still do useful looping with it. This would expand the market for an "EDP Helper" beyond owners of multiple EDPs. As described above, the "EDP Helper" would be very heavy on the control and display features and light on the audio feature. Perhaps, it could even be implemented totally in software. Your thoughts??? - Dennis Leas -- dennis@mdbs.com From ???@??? Fri Oct 30 11:04:40 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id NAA03835; Fri, 30 Oct 1998 13:53:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 13:53:09 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19981030103044.007bc6f0@wavefront.com> X-Sender: chuck.zwicky@wavefront.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 10:30:44 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Chuck Zwicky Subject: Sound quality issues (was: RE: echoplex or jamman? In-Reply-To: <2C396693FBDED111AEF60000F84104A71A65B6@indyexch_fddi.indy. tce.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"qiL6Z3.0.fR6.WOWEs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2574 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 09:07 AM 10/30/98 -0500, you wrote: >You're right about the tambourine dynamic range, Kim. What's more, >tamborine is RICH in frequencies above 20 Khz, all the way to the 50 KHz >range. This will get past the anti-aliasing filters, rendering them less >effective. >This is one of those special cases where higher digital sampling frequency >would be of great advantage. I disagree. The Jamman does not have these problems, and it has a slightly lower sampling rate. The problem in the EDP are the analog electronics and the poor layout. On the Analog side there is NO anti-alias filter on the input before the converter. This, in addition to the pre-emphasis, which starts boosting the high frequencies around 200HZ at a rate of 6dB per octave makes the input very sensitive to aliasing. I experimented with modifying the pre-emphasis/de-emphasis filter, but found the noise floor so obnoxious that I left it stock. The noise I am describing is the result of poor layout and grounding on the PC board. Lots of metallic clocking artifacts. The Jamman has a very nice LRC filter on both the input and the output. I have never heard it get nasty, even when overdriven. Please remember that I don't work for Oberheim or Lexicon. It is my hope that Oberheim will look into the possibility of redesigning the EDP. The AD1848 converter is quite horrible by todays standards. The EDP software is absolutely brilliant. The EDP audio design is stombox-esque crap. I'm sorry that all this has made Kim so defensive. I hope that he will sit down with an open mind and listen to the Jamman and the EDP side by side. "Defend your weaknesses and they're yours to keep forever." -Chuck Zwicky From ???@??? Fri Oct 30 11:04:24 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id MAA30792; Fri, 30 Oct 1998 12:29:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 12:29:00 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3639F2A9.3551@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 09:08:57 -0800 From: Andre LaFosse Reply-To: altruist@earthlink.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-MACOS8 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: The Story of our Age & New reading please References: <2.2.32.19981030044221.00da8030@pop.chromatic.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"qLfdk2.0.Rt3.ozUEs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2571 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com To follow up on the music and culture thread... There's an article in the current issue of _Spin_ magazine (the one with rock/rap band Korn wearing a bunch of gorilla suits [!] on the cover) called "What the White Boy Means When He Says 'Yo!'" or something to that effect. It's a pretty in-depth analysis of the route hip-hop has taken to becoming mainstream music in America, and takes a look at the cultural and racial ramifications of its entry into white suburban culture. I haven't read all of it yet but it looks very promising for those interested in following up on this issue. Also in the same magazine is a review of a current book on the same subject; I believe the title is "Hip-hop America" or something along those lines. --Andre From ???@??? Fri Oct 30 23:34:08 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id MAA06069; Fri, 30 Oct 1998 12:47:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 12:47:43 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <2148EC143F29D1118BE000805FC13CD06E9842@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: The Story of our Age & New reading please Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 11:16:38 -0600 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Resent-Message-ID: <"yls-f.0.fN6.LJVEs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2572 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > - fundamentalism vs everyone else, world wide > LOOPS INTO > - previously isolated cultures getting mixed together, trying to maintain > identity and figure out how to relate to each other > > AN BACK AGAIN From ???@??? Fri Oct 30 11:04:25 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id NAA13947; Fri, 30 Oct 1998 13:04:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 13:04:43 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Reply-To: From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: Subject: RE: Halloween Loops Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 09:24:48 -0800 Message-ID: <000501be042a$32f35d20$6932dacf@stepheng> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <012901be040c$a261f540$c5b854ce@mark.asisoftware.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Resent-Message-ID: <"Mqkmq1.0.xA7.HQVEs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2573 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mark Kata [mailto:Mark@asisoftware.com] extruded: > Just set up your looping right and a few Marshall stacks on your front > porch, create a scary loop and watch your neighbors cringe as > they bring their kids by for trick or treating. I highly recommend the above - and this year I'm incorporating an old recording that most folks have already heard samples from for years, in film and music, "The Language and Music of the Wolves," (Tonsil Records, are they existent?) which was a "members' bonus" from the American Museum of Natural History back in 1971. Amongst other albums this stuff can be heard on is Pink Floyd's "Dogs", from "Animals" (1977) - and, not so strangely, I haven't found anyone who ever credited the recordings on this vinyl, in their own work. I'm racing against the clock now, but hope to have some snippets available on the Halloween page (http://www.earthlight.net/Halloween) - and, for those not in the mood to put together a loop for answering the door, might I offer my "Spooked" track, available for listening and downloading (RealAudio format) at http://www.earthlight.net/Studios of course. :) Now all I have to do is come up with a proper dedicatee for this week's Loop! Stephen GoodmanÊ -Ê It's... The Loop Of The Week! EarthLight StudiosÊ -Ê http://www.earthlight.net/Studios From ???@??? Fri Oct 30 12:54:45 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id NAA05588; Fri, 30 Oct 1998 13:56:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 13:56:23 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19981030123258.007d1100@wavefront.com> X-Sender: chuck.zwicky@wavefront.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 12:32:58 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Chuck Zwicky Subject: Sound quality issues (was: RE: echoplex or jamman? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"Lxec53.0.Xz6.bSWEs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2575 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 09:07 AM 10/30/98 -0500, you wrote: >You're right about the tambourine dynamic range, Kim. What's more, >tamborine is RICH in frequencies above 20 Khz, all the way to the 50 KHz >range. This will get past the anti-aliasing filters, rendering them less >effective. >This is one of those special cases where higher digital sampling frequency >would be of great advantage. I disagree. The Jamman does not have these problems, and it has a slightly lower sampling rate. The problem in the EDP are the analog electronics and the poor layout. On the Analog side there is NO anti-alias filter on the input before the converter. This, in addition to the pre-emphasis, which starts boosting the high frequencies around 200HZ at a rate of 6dB per octave makes the input very sensitive to aliasing. I experimented with modifying the pre-emphasis/de-emphasis filter, but found the noise floor so obnoxious that I left it stock. The noise I am describing is the result of poor layout and grounding on the PC board. Lots of metallic clocking artifacts. The Jamman has a very nice LRC filter on both the input and the output. I have never heard it get nasty, even when overdriven. Please remember that I don't work for Oberheim or Lexicon. It is my hope that Oberheim will look into the possibility of redesigning the EDP. The AD1848 converter is quite horrible by todays standards. The EDP software is absolutely brilliant. The EDP audio design is stombox-esque crap. I'm sorry that all this has made Kim so defensive. I hope that he will sit down with an open mind and listen to the Jamman and the EDP side by side. "Defend your weaknesses and they're yours to keep forever." -Chuck Zwicky From ???@??? Fri Oct 30 12:55:30 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id PAA03036; Fri, 30 Oct 1998 15:25:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 15:25:42 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19981030200246.5948.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [131.107.3.76] From: "Greg Sundberg" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Looping Sound Quality Debate Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 12:02:46 PST Resent-Message-ID: <"CgEzA.0.dx7.ZkXEs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2577 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I don't think Kim's defensive at all. However, with statements like: "The EDP audio design is stombox-esque crap." I would probably get defensive. To think that someone might not would be naive -- and that has nothing to do with "PC-speech thought-control". Just simple email etiquette. We all know that email is often interpretted differently that the author intended. How about: "The EDP audio design could be improved". Says the same thing. So far in the debate (and all posts I've seen from Kim) I've been impressed with Kim's suggestions, concern, and general level of customer service. As a future purchaser of either the EDP or the Jamman, I'd love to see someone from Lexicon (or an engineer who's worked on the Jamman) participate in this list with the same vigor. Customer service goes a long way in my purchasing decisions. In that arena the EDP is winning hands down. Back to the tech discussion...... circutry..... KHz.... ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From ???@??? Fri Oct 30 23:33:23 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id QAA16426; Fri, 30 Oct 1998 16:16:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 16:16:06 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Edward_Chang@mail.amsinc.com X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMSINC To: sgoodman@earthlight.net cc: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-ID: <852566AD.0072823F.00@ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com> Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 15:53:42 -0500 Subject: RE: Halloween Loops Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"uDa081.0.Ct2.dSYEs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2578 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >>old recording that most folks have already heard samples from for years, in film and music, "The Language and Music of the Wolves," (Tonsil Records, are they existent?) which was a "members' bonus" from the American Museum of Natural History back in 1971. Amongst other albums this stuff can be heard on is Pink Floyd's "Dogs", from "Animals" (1977) - and, not so strangely, I haven't found anyone who ever credited the recordings on this vinyl, in their own work.<< Oh man, I had no idea that record was used so much. Spin-17 used it quite abit on our recent tour and we had certain audience members howling along with it in Cincinnati. Unfortunately they wouldn't stop.....BTW the Robert Redford narration is priceless. From ???@??? Fri Oct 30 23:33:34 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id QAA19641; Fri, 30 Oct 1998 16:30:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 16:30:18 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19981030103044.007bc6f0@wavefront.com> References: <2C396693FBDED111AEF60000F84104A71A65B6@indyexch_fddi.indy. tce.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 12:57:21 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Sound quality issues (was: RE: echoplex or jamman? Resent-Message-ID: <"9MQyq2.0.CJ3.3aYEs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2579 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com well, first of all, this is an odd statement: At 8:30 AM -0800 10/30/98, Chuck Zwicky dramatically wrote: >the EDP. The AD1848 converter is quite horrible by todays standards. because the echoplex does not use that part. That is a lousy part, extremely noisy, which is why it's not in there. If yours had this part, then someone else modified it. It wasn't stock. Secondly, I think you are rather dramatically overstating the case here, for reasons I fail to understand. Your experience clearly does not match mine or other peoples, nor does it match test measurements made in the lab. Perhaps there was something wrong with the unit you were using? >At 09:07 AM 10/30/98 -0500, you wrote: >>You're right about the tambourine dynamic range, Kim. What's more, >>tamborine is RICH in frequencies above 20 Khz, all the way to the 50 KHz >>range. This will get past the anti-aliasing filters, rendering them less >>effective. >>This is one of those special cases where higher digital sampling frequency >>would be of great advantage. > >I disagree. The Jamman does not have these problems, and it has a slightly >lower sampling rate. The problem in the EDP are the analog electronics and >the poor layout. > >On the Analog side there is NO anti-alias filter on the input before the >converter. I would suggest that you consider reading datasheets before you make really stupid statements like this. As with practically all modern digital audio convertors, the convertors in the echoplex have built in anti-alias filters. The datasheets from Crystal describe these at length. You might want to consider doing a little research before making completely incorrect assertions like this. The convertor's built in filters are quite good. They have a very steep rolloff, with stop band rejection of 74dB by .6Fs and passband ripple of less than +/-.1dB. Designing a discrete filter like that would be absurdly expensive, which is why nobody designs audio circuits that way anymore. In addition to this, however, there is an RC filter at the input to the converter adding a bit more anti-aliasing filtering, and additional filtering around 3 of the opamps prior to the codec. Now, how does this equal "NO anti-alias filter"? >This, in addition to the pre-emphasis, which starts boosting the >high frequencies around 200HZ at a rate of 6dB per octave makes the input >very sensitive to aliasing. First of all, it's a shelving pre-emphasis/de-emphasis filter, so the boost is not that dramatic. It's there because we wanted to improve upon the performance of the audio codec used, by shaping the noise floor based on typical music signals. In most cases, I think this works great, and gives us A-weighted numbers exceeding the expected performance of the part. Secondly, your beloved JamMan circuit also uses a shelving preemphasis/de-emphasis filter, with similar characteristics to the one in the Echoplex. Thirdly, as noted before, the distortion you heard is not aliasing. You could demonstrate that very easily to yourself with a signal generator and a scope. (which I guess you did not do?) I tested for this extensively with good test gear, and all my measurements showed the circuit did not have any significant aliasing problems. This is in line with Crystal's datasheet, so their part performs correctly. If you had used that generator and scope, you could have seen that the distortion you heard happens prior to the audio codec, in the VCA. When this part is overloaded, the distortion sounds bad. However, when the part is not overloaded (ie the input level is set right), everything sounds fine throughout the audio bandwidth. >I experimented with modifying the pre-emphasis/de-emphasis filter, but >found the noise floor so obnoxious that I left it stock. If you found the noise floor so obnoxious, as you say, did you have gains set otherwise correctly? An awful lot of people are using the echoplex in all manor of situations without finding the noise floor obnoxious, how is it that they are successful and you are not? Maybe you could explain the specific setup and settings that you used, so we could see if there was a problem. >The noise I am >describing is the result of poor layout and grounding on the PC board. Lots >of metallic clocking artifacts. The layout used was reviewed by Crystal's application engineers. In fact, by the guy who wrote the application note on layout for Crystal. He thought it was fine. There are certainly ways to improve upon the layout, but they would all make the cost go way up, and I doubt they would result in much change in audio quality. Also, yours is a remarkable assertion. Given that the test numbers show performance reaching the limits of the audio part used, wouldn't it make more sense to look to that particular part as the limiting factor, instead of other parts of the circuit? Since you report no data, I'm assuming you did no tests on the analog portions of the board with the codec bypassed. Granted, the part used is not the best quality part available, but for the cost I think it performs quite reasonably. >The Jamman has a very nice LRC filter on both the input and the output. I >have never heard it get nasty, even when overdriven. Personally, I was rather shocked to see an LRC filter and a completely discrete conversion scheme in the Jamman. Nobody has done that since the mid-eighties. LRC filters are problematic, since they are very expensive and their characteristics can change dramatically as the parts age. Also, the Jamman uses only a 5-pole filter for anti-alias, which is generally not considered enough by modern audio standards. I believe the filter in the echoplex's codec is 12-pole. Also, Lexicon's discrete A/D design adds some coloratation to the sound. Most people find the result pleasing, so that's fine, and probably has a lot to do with why people like Lexicon gear. Personally, I prefer to do digital audio as transparently as possible. I would prefer to add my own coloration. >I'm sorry that all this has made Kim so defensive. I hope that he will sit >down with an open mind and listen to the Jamman and the EDP side by side. I have done that listening test, with sophisticated test gear. Feel free to do the same, and report some numbers. The quality of the JamMan is fine, but I found the echoplex to beat it. Defensive? sure. I don't take kindly to people who see the internet as a place to spread misinformation and make flaming, unwarrented attacks on other people, companies, or products. In my opinion, that's very irresponsible, and should be defended against. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Fri Oct 30 23:33:24 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id QAA17717; Fri, 30 Oct 1998 16:21:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 16:21:26 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <01bd01be03c7$eae676a0$4cf1ffd0@artmusic.gte> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 12:59:09 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: echoplex or jamman? Resent-Message-ID: <"Ma4w32.0.BO3.ZbYEs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2580 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sorry, I can't reveal any more. If you had that much information I would have to kill you. ;-) kim >What??? Wow! What else is planned? And how long will we have to wait? > >Dave Eichenberger >********************************************************************* >'Future Perfect' - art music >http://home1.gte.net/artmusic/ > > > > > >>too bad you can't store presets (five or so would do). >> >>we're gonna make you real happy in the near future.....;-) >> >>kim >>________________________________________________________ >>Kim Flint, MTS 408-752-9284 >>Chromatic Research kflint@chromatic.com >>http://www.chromatic.com >> >> ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Fri Oct 30 23:33:36 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id RAA26370; Fri, 30 Oct 1998 17:04:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 17:04:04 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <01BE0422.D1B43540@tor-usr10.074228.aracnet.net> From: Jon Grant To: "'Loopers-Delight'" Subject: Apologies to our friends in Wales Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 16:27:31 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"chzxw.0.EH5._7ZEs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2581 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I lived in Scotland and England for most of my childhood, so I had many occasions to visit Wales. It's a fantastic place and I know many songs >from there, but the older songs (most of the songs on my album are well over a century old) are in a dialect I wouldn't even attempt to pronounce, so I avoided them. I do have a small but nice collection of more modern songs from Wales that I draw from for gigs, however. Maybe my next Celtic album. . . Notice I did not make any cliche "Close-Harmony Choral Singing" jokes. Next year I should be swinging a musical tour through the U.K. with my Celtic band, so perhaps some of you Welch Loopers can re-educate me in the ways of good repertoire. Cheers, Jon Grant From ???@??? Fri Oct 30 01:48:35 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id QAA03202; Thu, 29 Oct 1998 16:56:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 16:56:44 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199810292138.QAA16004@shell.monmouth.com> Reply-To: From: "andre" To: Subject: Re: Percussion, drums anyone? Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 16:39:12 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"qZxFR2.0.7t7.w2EEs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2539 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > > How many of you are of the above persuasion? That is, > drum/percussion/loopism? hey roberto... in my duo.. my percussionist - who hates to type on this thing - uses a Kat midi controller to trigger a Nano-synth (which we both think sounds amazing) she also sometimes plays those 80s Boss pads (DRP I, II, III) - which are also great and quite fine-tunable... an added feature of these is that a mic can be mixed into their output, so you can loop any sound that goes into the mic, percussion, voice, whatever... for looping she uses the floor model digitech 8 sec delay, sometimes also the 2 sec one. sometimes she uses the roland sequencer MSQ 100, the first midi seq i believe... there ya have it - lo tech nonsense. soundbytes of this madness are at the below site http://www.monmouth.com/~andre Info on JFK's LSD UFO - improvising duo.. official PROJECT/OBJECT site http://www.jswd.net/projectobject [frank zappa tribute band i play guitar in] From ???@??? Fri Oct 30 01:48:38 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id RAA05441; Thu, 29 Oct 1998 17:06:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 17:06:44 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199810292140.QAA16769@shell.monmouth.com> Reply-To: From: "andre" To: Subject: Re: Question Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 16:41:18 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"9BsqL2.0.9z7.s4EEs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2540 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > To: 'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com' > Subject: RE: Question > Date: Tuesday, October 27, 1998 8:28 PM > > > > On Power Tools, "Strange > > > Meeting", what is Frisell using for his loops?? Thanks, James > > > jameshsidlo@stic.net > > > my guess is Electro Harmonix 16-second hmmm - every one of the many times i've seen Frisell...he uses the digitech 8 sec delay - the floor model. andre' From ???@??? Fri Oct 30 23:33:40 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id RAA00532; Fri, 30 Oct 1998 17:43:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 17:43:22 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <363A3C64.2934E9A3@nyfac.com> Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 17:23:33 -0500 From: "Trevor D. Bajus, purveyor of the new rock" Reply-To: nyfac2@nyfac.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Looping Sound Quality Debate References: <19981030200246.5948.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"ST7zS3.0.t07.ajZEs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2582 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I'll kick anyone's ass who even looks at Kim cross-eyed. And I own a JamMan. One of the all around coolest guys around, helped design one of the coolest boxes around. Don't like the EDP. Build your own. Kim did. Power! the normally quiescent but physically powerful, trev -- Would you like fries with that? From ???@??? Fri Oct 30 23:33:41 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id RAA00855; Fri, 30 Oct 1998 17:43:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 17:43:45 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <363A3C73.4AAB8FB2@bellsouth.net> Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 17:23:47 -0500 From: Jeff Duke X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.07 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: echoplex or jamman? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"ZSHBK2.0.QG7.NoZEs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2583 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com ahh, then we would have a *proper dedicatee* for Stephens *Loop of the Week* . happy Halloween, jeff Kim Flint wrote: > Sorry, I can't reveal any more. If you had that much information I would > have to kill you. > > ;-) > kim > > >What??? Wow! What else is planned? And how long will we have to wait? > > > >Dave Eichenberger > >********************************************************************* > >'Future Perfect' - art music > >http://home1.gte.net/artmusic/ > > > > > > > > > > >>too bad you can't store presets (five or so would do). > >> > >>we're gonna make you real happy in the near future.....;-) > >> > >>kim > >>________________________________________________________ > >>Kim Flint, MTS 408-752-9284 > >>Chromatic Research kflint@chromatic.com > >>http://www.chromatic.com > >> > >> > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html > http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Fri Oct 30 23:33:55 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id TAA17082; Fri, 30 Oct 1998 19:13:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 19:13:30 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <363A4DEB.36B3@kobedenshi.ac.jp> Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 08:38:20 +0900 From: Sunao Inami Reply-To: inami@kobedenshi.ac.jp X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 [ja] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: stayclose@moon.cooshin.kita.osaka.jp CC: yamaguti@visual-arts-osaka.ac.jp, tomc@analogue.netkonect.co.uk, thelab@sprint.ca, wmf@mail.tsi-gmbh.de, tech@kenton.co.uk, EMIS@dial.pipex.com, tenebre@pronet.it, mmiwa@iamas.ac.jp, artzero@hol.fr, masset.fcom@wanadoo.fr, symsound@SymbolicSound.com, tgerwing@pacificcoast.net, Laz_Harris@sweetwater.com, mkmccabe@earthlink.net, eloubet@gol.com, matunaka@rittor-music.co.jp, miyoshi@rittor-music.co.jp, Djazz2001@aol.com, sb5c-haco@asahi-net.or.jp, miyoshi-naomi@email.msn.com, hemp@osk4.3web.ne.jp, kawanadi@pop1.osk.3web.ne.jp, kikky@tkc.att.ne.jp, mixa@dd.iij4u.or.jp, collinsclan@sprintmail.com, kazemai@osk3.3web.ne.jp, yoshiken@xmit.org, s-abe-ay@ns0.mahoroba.ne.jp, kawanadi@osk.3web.ne.jp, mieko@wolfen.netkonect.co.uk, morand.fcom@wanadoo.fr, bonbon@pop.ro.bekkoame.or.jp, robinr@easynet.co.uk, arcsound@ix.netcom.com, guymarc@mail.switchon.be, fw@mail.switchon.be, phermn@klingon.netkonect.net, interval@netcom.com, kelly@net2000ke.com, akiharat@hakuhodo.co.jp, prikos@worldnet.fr, loop@entranet.co.uk, ma0930ki@mx.alles.or.jp, josephbuck@hotmail.com, drumfm@hotmail.com, kozueshoji@email.msn.com, hiroshi-yamazaki@kingrecords.co.jp, eiiti@sun.tokyo.inetc.com, wkamiryo@mail.st.rim.or.jp, mach25@inow.com, dayan@osk.3web.ne.jp, janos@execulink.com, WineCntry@aol.com, eskmt@super-edition.com, hanjo-co@pop.fa2.so-net.or.jp, Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, user-forum@waldorf-gmbh.de Subject: Re: REAL VIDEO streaming tomorrow!! References: <199810301341.WAA15685@pop1.ngy.3web.ne.jp> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-2022-jp Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Enom_.0.8Q3.A3bEs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2585 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hello again, We added new URL for Real Video live! It just Today!! Please visit to: http://www2.kobedenshi.ac.jp/~gakusai/index_.html and http://www.kobedenshi.ac.jp The streaming time is AM 9:30 to PM 5:00 31th Oct. (It is Japanese Standerd time. GMT is AM1:30 to AM9:00 31th Oct.) Best Regards Sunao Inami Work E-mail webmaster@cavestudio.com URL"CAVE Studio" http://www.cavestudio.com tel&fax +81 794 89 5025 Hyogo,Japan Home E-mail cave@osk.3web.ne.jp URL"cave home" http://www.threeweb.ad.jp/~cave/ tel&fax +81 794 89 5015 Hyogo,Japan snail mail address 316 Ohshima Kuchiyokawa Miki City Hyogo Japan 6730755 From ???@??? Fri Oct 30 23:33:56 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id TAA17431; Fri, 30 Oct 1998 19:15:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 19:15:40 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <2.2.32.19981030234628.00ea4db8@pop.chromatic.com> X-Sender: kflint@pop.chromatic.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 15:46:28 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Looping Sound Quality Debate Resent-Message-ID: <"iwR853.0.JH3.J_aEs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2584 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 05:23 PM 10/30/98 -0500, Trevor D. Bajus, purveyor of the new rock wrote: >I'll kick anyone's ass who even looks at Kim cross-eyed. And I own a >JamMan. > >One of the all around coolest guys around, helped design one of the coolest >boxes around. Don't like the EDP. Build your own. Kim did. Actually, Matthias Grob gets most of that credit. He's the genius. I'm just the one who mouths off a lot. :-) kim ________________________________________________________ Kim Flint, MTS 408-752-9284 Chromatic Research kflint@chromatic.com http://www.chromatic.com From ???@??? Fri Oct 30 23:34:05 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id VAA12805; Fri, 30 Oct 1998 21:08:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 21:08:20 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199810310145.UAA03986@ulster.net> Subject: Re: Sound quality issues (was: RE: echoplex or jamman? Date: Fri, 30 Oct 98 20:43:39 -0500 x-sender: evening@pop.ulster.net x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: evening To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <"PxcBM2.0.tr1.xkcEs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2586 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I did some experiments with my brandy-new EDP today - I've come to the comclusion that relying on the LED as an indication of sufficient level doesn't work. If I set my input to turn the LED yellow/orange at my peaks I am guaranteed wierd clipping on the attacks of certain ( mostly high) frequeancies. I find that the EDP input level should be left at about 25% of maximum (9 o'clock) - works fine for me then.. BTW this is with all other levels set to unity gain. jmw I'm having sooo much fun with this thang..... From ???@??? Fri Oct 30 23:34:03 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id VAA11920; Fri, 30 Oct 1998 21:03:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 21:03:31 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199810310145.UAA04001@ulster.net> Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V98 #197 Date: Fri, 30 Oct 98 20:43:45 -0500 x-sender: evening@pop.ulster.net x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: evening To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <"48UQ62.0.Fs1.1lcEs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2587 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >but, how much of music may be put down to cultural change and how much to >reaction to existing music? i wonder this about non-western (especially indian) >music.. (i wonder how much the raga has changed over the last i dunno... 1000 years) it >seems every musical action has an associated musical reaction... was (is?) grunge I'm not a scholar of Indian classical music but I do study tabla (& some raga) and accompany some classical soloists from time to time. My impression is that the music has constantly changed over time and much like western music the changes are brought about by technology, commerce, war. migration etc... One attitude that I admire is that tradition isn't scoffed at ( as in "been there, done that" ) but augmented. To help as music evolve is thought of as a duty to all of the teachers who passed the tradition on. One of my teachers said recently "being a rooted in and maintaining a tradition while at the same time striving for new sounds is not contradictory" Of course I've only recently started to appreciate this viewpoint - maybe another 20 yearsof practice & I'll gain a bit more wisdom... jmw From ???@??? Fri Oct 30 11:04:14 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id LAA13397; Fri, 30 Oct 1998 11:49:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 11:49:47 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19981030180228.0987b304@mailhost.elec.gla.ac.uk> X-Sender: pycraft@mailhost.elec.gla.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (16) Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 18:02:28 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Michael Pycraft Hughes PhD Subject: Re: ...yet another new CD with some looping from a member of our list In-Reply-To: <01BE03EA.9F6B6A00@tor-usr10.074240.aracnet.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"kl9Cj.0.My6.KKUEs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2569 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Jon Grant: >Just a brief note to annouce the completion of "The Three Ravens" - >an album of 11 traditional songs from Scotland, England, & Ireland. No Wales! Why no Wales? We have been ignored for too long!!! Michael Ob.Looping: At least 3 members of LD have lived in Wales. Dr Michael Pycraft Hughes, University of Glasgow, Glasgow UK G12 8QQ -------------------------------------------------------------------- "Confront your enemies, avoid them when you can - a gentleman will walk but never run" -Sting, "Englishman in New York" -------------------------------------------------------------------- www.elec.gla.ac.uk/~pycraft pycraft@elec.gla.ac.uk From ???@??? Fri Oct 30 23:34:17 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id BAA22240; Sat, 31 Oct 1998 01:11:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 01:11:03 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19981030215425.007ee470@wavefront.com> X-Sender: chuck.zwicky@wavefront.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 21:54:25 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Chuck Zwicky Subject: Re: Sound quality issues (was: RE: echoplex or jamman? In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.5.32.19981030103044.007bc6f0@wavefront.com> <2C396693FBDED111AEF60000F84104A71A65B6@indyexch_fddi.indy. tce.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"O11zY.0.H45.ATgEs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2588 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Kim, Sorry to flame the EDP.... I was a bit dissapointed by the sound quality, that's all. Oddly, the schematic that Gibson sent me a month ago shows the AD1848 codec..... I noticed a considerable improvement in the sound when I bypassed the VCAs. Unfortunately they seem integral to the operation of the unit. I appologize for the 'incorrect assertion' about the anti alias filter. The data sheet is no longer available on that part. My schematic shows no additional filtering as you described. Perhaps someone should revise your documentation so that people like me don't go off half cocked... -Chuck At 12:57 PM 10/30/98 -0800, you wrote: > >well, first of all, this is an odd statement: > >At 8:30 AM -0800 10/30/98, Chuck Zwicky dramatically wrote: >>the EDP. The AD1848 converter is quite horrible by todays standards. > >because the echoplex does not use that part. That is a lousy part, >extremely noisy, which is why it's not in there. If yours had this part, >then someone else modified it. It wasn't stock. > > >Secondly, I think you are rather dramatically overstating the case here, >for reasons I fail to understand. Your experience clearly does not match >mine or other peoples, nor does it match test measurements made in the lab. >Perhaps there was something wrong with the unit you were using? > > >>At 09:07 AM 10/30/98 -0500, you wrote: >>>You're right about the tambourine dynamic range, Kim. What's more, >>>tamborine is RICH in frequencies above 20 Khz, all the way to the 50 KHz >>>range. This will get past the anti-aliasing filters, rendering them less >>>effective. >>>This is one of those special cases where higher digital sampling frequency >>>would be of great advantage. >> >>I disagree. The Jamman does not have these problems, and it has a slightly >>lower sampling rate. The problem in the EDP are the analog electronics and >>the poor layout. >> >>On the Analog side there is NO anti-alias filter on the input before the >>converter. > >I would suggest that you consider reading datasheets before you make really >stupid statements like this. As with practically all modern digital audio >convertors, the convertors in the echoplex have built in anti-alias >filters. The datasheets from Crystal describe these at length. You might >want to consider doing a little research before making completely incorrect >assertions like this. > >The convertor's built in filters are quite good. They have a very steep >rolloff, with stop band rejection of 74dB by .6Fs and passband ripple of >less than +/-.1dB. Designing a discrete filter like that would be absurdly >expensive, which is why nobody designs audio circuits that way anymore. In >addition to this, however, there is an RC filter at the input to the >converter adding a bit more anti-aliasing filtering, and additional >filtering around 3 of the opamps prior to the codec. Now, how does this >equal "NO anti-alias filter"? > > >>This, in addition to the pre-emphasis, which starts boosting the >>high frequencies around 200HZ at a rate of 6dB per octave makes the input >>very sensitive to aliasing. > >First of all, it's a shelving pre-emphasis/de-emphasis filter, so the boost >is not that dramatic. It's there because we wanted to improve upon the >performance of the audio codec used, by shaping the noise floor based on >typical music signals. In most cases, I think this works great, and gives >us A-weighted numbers exceeding the expected performance of the part. > >Secondly, your beloved JamMan circuit also uses a shelving >preemphasis/de-emphasis filter, with similar characteristics to the one in >the Echoplex. > >Thirdly, as noted before, the distortion you heard is not aliasing. You >could demonstrate that very easily to yourself with a signal generator and >a scope. (which I guess you did not do?) I tested for this extensively >with good test gear, and all my measurements showed the circuit did not >have any significant aliasing problems. This is in line with Crystal's >datasheet, so their part performs correctly. > >If you had used that generator and scope, you could have seen that the >distortion you heard happens prior to the audio codec, in the VCA. When >this part is overloaded, the distortion sounds bad. However, when the part >is not overloaded (ie the input level is set right), everything sounds fine >throughout the audio bandwidth. > > >>I experimented with modifying the pre-emphasis/de-emphasis filter, but >>found the noise floor so obnoxious that I left it stock. > >If you found the noise floor so obnoxious, as you say, did you have gains >set otherwise correctly? An awful lot of people are using the echoplex in >all manor of situations without finding the noise floor obnoxious, how is >it that they are successful and you are not? Maybe you could explain the >specific setup and settings that you used, so we could see if there was a >problem. > > >>The noise I am >>describing is the result of poor layout and grounding on the PC board. Lots >>of metallic clocking artifacts. > >The layout used was reviewed by Crystal's application engineers. In fact, >by the guy who wrote the application note on layout for Crystal. He thought >it was fine. There are certainly ways to improve upon the layout, but they >would all make the cost go way up, and I doubt they would result in much >change in audio quality. > >Also, yours is a remarkable assertion. Given that the test numbers show >performance reaching the limits of the audio part used, wouldn't it make >more sense to look to that particular part as the limiting factor, instead >of other parts of the circuit? Since you report no data, I'm assuming you >did no tests on the analog portions of the board with the codec bypassed. >Granted, the part used is not the best quality part available, but for the >cost I think it performs quite reasonably. > > >>The Jamman has a very nice LRC filter on both the input and the output. I >>have never heard it get nasty, even when overdriven. > >Personally, I was rather shocked to see an LRC filter and a completely >discrete conversion scheme in the Jamman. Nobody has done that since the >mid-eighties. LRC filters are problematic, since they are very expensive >and their characteristics can change dramatically as the parts age. Also, >the Jamman uses only a 5-pole filter for anti-alias, which is generally not >considered enough by modern audio standards. I believe the filter in the >echoplex's codec is 12-pole. > >Also, Lexicon's discrete A/D design adds some coloratation to the sound. >Most people find the result pleasing, so that's fine, and probably has a >lot to do with why people like Lexicon gear. Personally, I prefer to do >digital audio as transparently as possible. I would prefer to add my own >coloration. > > >>I'm sorry that all this has made Kim so defensive. I hope that he will sit >>down with an open mind and listen to the Jamman and the EDP side by side. > >I have done that listening test, with sophisticated test gear. Feel free to >do the same, and report some numbers. The quality of the JamMan is fine, >but I found the echoplex to beat it. Defensive? sure. I don't take kindly >to people who see the internet as a place to spread misinformation and make >flaming, unwarrented attacks on other people, companies, or products. In my >opinion, that's very irresponsible, and should be defended against. > >kim > >______________________________________________________________________ >Kim Flint | Looper's Delight >kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html >http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > > > > From ???@??? Sun Nov 01 00:18:45 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id HAA17712; Sat, 31 Oct 1998 07:35:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 07:35:57 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Texture444@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 07:21:20 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: some torn gigs-no loop content Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 161 Resent-Message-ID: <"6T1H91.0.vA4.P4mEs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2589 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com folks, sorry for e-interruptus. coupla my confirmed gigs, what i know about: los angeles- 11/5- el rey theatre, w/carter burwell (music from his filmscores) nyc- 11/11- knitting factory, as above nyc- 12/2+3- bottom line, w/b.l.u.e- more dates to be confirmed, 12/1-12/10 nyc- 12/18- knitting factory, w/gtr obliq- i'm without email, this week, so i disappear, now..... peas, david torn From ???@??? Sun Nov 01 00:18:55 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id JAA27415; Sat, 31 Oct 1998 09:55:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 09:55:50 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19981031103810.010e4dd0@brooknorth.com> X-Sender: howard@brooknorth.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 10:38:10 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Howard Harawitz Subject: Re: cheap acid Cc: marcus@pocketfuel.com In-Reply-To: <3639C970.B00B29E4@earthlink.net> References: <199810300304.VAA18027@supermail.globaldialog.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/enriched; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"HjfUK3.0.OF6.F1oEs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2590 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi, I downloaded the demos of both the full $395 verion, "Acid", and the $100 version, "Acid PH 1". I tried them both and they are very similar in "look and feel". There is no features matrix at the Sonic Foundry site, so it was difficult to compare them in detail. I noticed that "PH 1" doesn't take plugins, and that it doesn't permit stretching of samples. Does anyone know of there are any other differences? Will there be an upgrade price when going from "PH 1" to the full version? Thanks, Howard At 02:13 PM 10/30/98 +0000, Marcus Farny wrote: >>>> Hello Loopers, You think that's cool..check this out: Sonic Foundry is releasing an even cheaper version of ACID for about $50 bucks. The good part is that it'll be coming in different 'flavors' (DJ, Rock, etc...), and for your $50, you'll get a downscaled version of ACID and about 800 loops! 800 LOOPS! I Just to make sure that everybody understands the different versions of ACID:This version (ph2) is a really stripped down version. It is basically a 8 track sequencer. You do not have the different effects of the midi possibilities. You do however get a lot of loops, and that alone is worth $ 50.00 in my opinion. As a far as I know the following versions should be available within the next couple of weeks. : ACID Rock, DJ. also heard that some of these loops are totally cool, done by the likes of Bill Laswell, some well-known guitarists, etc. You can download some free loops to audition from their web site. www.sonicfoundry.com I hope this helped. Marcus Farny Pocket Fuel / Sound developer Sonic Foundry <http://www.pocketfuel.com <<<<<<<< ========================================================== Howard Harawitz howard@brooknorth.com ========================================================== Brooklyn North Software Works Inc. Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada Telephone: 1-902-423-0257 ========================================================== Check the Halifax Harbor Cam: http://www.brooknorth.com/camsite/ From ???@??? Fri Oct 30 11:04:12 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id LAA28317; Fri, 30 Oct 1998 11:10:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 11:10:46 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199810301546.KAA28521@shell.monmouth.com> Reply-To: From: "andre" To: Subject: Re: The Story of our Age & New reading please Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 10:47:05 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"C-y143.0.lY4.p-TEs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2567 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > interesting thing about hip-hop and another post about going to live in a > culture to understand it's music.... snip.... > > hardcore hip-hop videos on soulbeat and "the box". Go figure....music has a > deep cultural connection to the people who make it. get to know the people, > and the music starts to make sense. ..snip... > -> I hate it -> this is not music -> what kind of losers would make trash > like this" response. Now it's more like, "It's different -> why? -> what > about that culture resulted in this music? -> how does this music convey > those themes? -> can I learn anything from that?" thats great kim!! i wish with all my heart more people would see things this way, on both sides!!!! we'd have more time to make music and not be negative....there is very good hip hop along with the not so good - what rock fans have to realize is - that's true of every form of music!!!! andre' east From ???@??? Fri Oct 30 11:04:13 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id LAA32277; Fri, 30 Oct 1998 11:19:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 11:19:43 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199810301550.KAA29765@shell.monmouth.com> Reply-To: From: "andre" To: Subject: Live Netcast Sat night!! Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 10:50:40 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"f12tk2.0.6x4.82UEs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2568 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com hey all Just a quick note - i'll be performing at Knitting Factory Sat Oct 31 at 10pm E.T. Doing an hour of great Zappa music... i'll even try to sneak a loop in! We will have Ed Palermo, sax, as our guest - he leads the EP Big Band which does 19 piece horn arrangements of ZAppa. Playing after us at 1130 will be Micheal Ray's Cosmic crewe - he was Sun Ra's trumpeter.. hope you can listen in at: http://www.knittingfactory.com just go there and click the LIVE link.... of course you all have realaudio, it seems!! see ya - hope you surf in! andre' east Homepage http://www.monmouth.com/~andre Info on my bands JFK's LSD UFO and HIDDEN AGENDA official PROJECT/OBJECT site http://www.jswd.net/projectobject [frank zappa tribute band i play guitar in] From ???@??? Sun Nov 01 00:19:05 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id MAA09562; Sat, 31 Oct 1998 12:42:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 12:42:28 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <363B48A0.3A26B596@dial.pipex.com> Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 17:28:00 +0000 From: Gareth Whittock X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re:music of our time References: <199810280744.CAA27397@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"j6BDF1.0.Ax1.zXqEs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2591 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi, Interesting that the subject of the music of our time has strayed to Indian Raga (>JMW). Speaking as a red haired celt I have a fascination for Indian, Persian and Egyptian music. Maybe multiculturalism and the percieved shrinking world is at least one sign of these times. Gareth From ???@??? Sun Nov 01 00:19:11 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id OAA20302; Sat, 31 Oct 1998 14:35:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 14:35:53 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <363B6220.F3CF6ABD@bellsouth.net> Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 14:16:48 -0500 From: Jeff Duke X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.07 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Subject: cool gear alert Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"CnHKo1.0.5V4.z8sEs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2592 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com E-Bow the next generation is in the new American Musical Supply catalog. Its got an extra *enhanced harmonic effect*. http://www.ebow.com/ jeff From ???@??? Sun Nov 01 00:19:25 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id QAA00955; Sat, 31 Oct 1998 16:20:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 16:20:48 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <363B7E7E.A271016E@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 13:17:54 -0800 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Halloween (no) Loops (content) References: <000501be042a$32f35d20$6932dacf@stepheng> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"4tk0k.0.P1.lptEs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2593 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Stephen P. Goodman wrote: > Now all I have to do is come up with a proper dedicatee for this week's > Loop! i cast my vote for sheriff block (a dead man running for office this close to halloween can't be all bad...) :) lance g. From ???@??? Sun Nov 01 00:19:36 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id SAA16058; Sat, 31 Oct 1998 18:56:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 18:56:15 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.02 (298) Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 15:44:17 -0700 Subject: Midi footswitch for Echoplex From: "Neil Goldstein" To: "Loopers-Delight" Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <1302245152-22309302@imagina.com> Resent-Message-ID: <"zvISP.0.Ta3.W2wEs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2594 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I am planning to get an EDP in the near future. What are the relative pros and cons of controlling it via a midi foot pedal vs. the dedicated floor unit? If the midi pedal does the same job, I would prefer to get one of these for other purposes as well. There was some discussion months back about what pedals are recommended but lost the info. What models are recommended? Is midi timing as tight as the dedicated pedal buttons? Appreciate any comments or links. (did a search on the web page but couldn't zero on on this}. Neil Goldstein Portland, Oregon USA