From ???@??? Tue Sep 01 11:09:19 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id HAA31478; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 07:26:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 07:26:23 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <001001bdd597$d109cba0$0d01a8c0@Remote> From: "Steve Lauder" To: "loopy" Subject: Far out man! Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 12:00:30 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"p5aEs1.0.4V7.EOzwr"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1496 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I'm sure some of you will have heard this before, but I found out about it, and its tried and tested (I thought I'd send a bit of light heartedness after all these heavy serious debates!) Amazingly weird connections that leap off the screen when you play Pink Floyd's "Dark Side of the Moon" as the soundtrack to "The Wizard of Oz." The lyrics and music join in cosmic synch with the action, forming dozens upon dozens of startling coincidences... the kind that make you go "Oh wow, man" even if you haven't been near a bong in 20 years. Here's how it works. You start the album at the exact moment when the MGM lion finishes its third and final roar. It might take a few times to get everything lined up just right. Then, just sit back and watch. It'll blow your mind, man. Consider these examples: Floyd sings "the lunatic is on the grass" just as the Scarecrow begins his floppy jig near a green lawn. The line "got to keep the loonies on the path" comes just before Dorothy and the Scarecrow start traipsing down the Yellow Brick Road. During "Breathe," Dorothy teeters along a fence to the lyric: "balanced on the biggest wave." The Wicked Witch, in human form, first appears on her bike at the same moment a burst of alarm bells sounds on the album. During "Time," Dorothy breaks into a trot to the line: "no one told you when to run." When Dorothy leaves the fortuneteller to go back to her farm, the album is playing: "home, home again." Glinda, the cloyingly saccharine Good Witch of the North, appears in her bubble just as the band sings: "Don't give me that do goody goody bullshit." A few minutes later, the Good Witch confronts the Wicked Witch as the band sings, "And who knows which is which" (or is that "witch is witch"?). The song "Brain Damage" starts about the same time as the Scarecrow launches into "If I Only Had a Brain." But it's not just the weird lyrical coincidences. Songs end when scenes switch, and even the Munchkins' dancing is perfectly choreographed to the song "Us and Them." The phenomenon is at its most startling during the tornado scene, when the wordless singing in "The Great Gig in the Sky" swells and recedes in strikingly perfect time with the movie. When Dorothy opens the door into Oz, the movie switches to rich color and and that exact moment the album starts in with the tinkling cash register sound effects from "Money." Anyone who has ever nursed a hangover watching MTV with the sound off and the radio on can tell you how quick the brain is to turn music into a soundtrack for pictures. But this is uncanny. The real fanatics will point out that side one of the vinyl album is the exact length of the black-and-white portion of the movie. And then there's that iconic album cover, with its prism and rainbow echoing the movie's famous black-and-white-into-color switch not to mention Judy Garland's classic first song. The real clincher, though, the moment where even the most skeptical of cynics has to utter a small "whoa!," comes at the end of the album, which tails off with the insistent sound of a beating heart. What's happening on screen? Yep, you guessed it: Dorothy's got her ear to the Tin Man's chest, listening for a heartbeat. Maybe it's just a string of coincidences. Maybe the mind is just playing some really cool tricks. Maybe I just had waaaay too much to drink before I tried this! Or maybe, as Pink Floyd sings to close out the album, "everything under the sun really is in tune." And I thought playing Black Sabbath backwards was a trip!!! HAVE FUN! Steve Lauder steve.lauder@elspa.com From ???@??? Tue Sep 01 21:17:42 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id PAA10125; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 15:44:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 15:44:55 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <35EC059F.45D18B53@nyfac.com> Date: Tue, 01 Sep 1998 15:33:03 +0100 From: "trevor bajus," Reply-To: nyfac2@nyfac.com Organization: New York Film and Animation Inc / 3DV X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Subject: Mac viruses Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"OMSYj1.0.7l.rh4xr"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1507 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com My Mac has some kind of virus, and it is slowly driving me crazy. I believe it has been diagnosed as the latest fad in viruses. Anybody have any information about this? Trev From ???@??? Tue Sep 01 11:09:48 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id LAA00164; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 11:53:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 11:53:14 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 10:38:39 -0400 X-Sender: robm@mailgate.nytimes.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3f108679.35e9d58b@aol.com>> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Robert Monn Subject: Re: PC MIDI Question.. Resent-Message-ID: <"SsgjD2.0.f25.DQ0xr"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1497 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I record to minidsic from my mac. _________________________________ /robb monn -- robm@nytimes.com | From ???@??? Tue Sep 01 11:09:57 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id MAA08172; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 12:47:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 12:47:00 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 11:38:45 -0400 X-Sender: robm@mailgate.nytimes.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <000001bdd485$c9ddb110$87500218@cc1006472-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Robert Monn Subject: RE: ASR-X Pro vs. MPC2000 Resent-Message-ID: <"G5iJy2.0.lM7.YI1xr"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1498 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Yamaha is also having problems.... my new Ex5R is loaded with glitches... it seems like they released a beta. They have good customer support _people_.. it's just that corporate tells them nothing and as a result I usually know more than they do. sigh. _________________________________ /robb monn -- robm@nytimes.com | From ???@??? Tue Sep 01 11:10:01 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id NAA12236; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 13:08:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 13:08:01 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: KRosser414@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 12:01:50 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: muddying the sampling waters Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 18 Resent-Message-ID: <"tO3Dz3.0.pP.3h1xr"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1499 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >Same defense attorney had a case where Tom Waits sued Doritos (I think it >was) because they used a "sound alike" for one of their ads. I guess the >defense said that the agency had wanted the sound of someone who Waits had >modeled some of HIS sound on . . . can't remember how that went, but I'm not >sure that Waits didn't win. Pretty sure Waits won. I remember the ad agency's strategy was to go in armed with Louis Armstrong records, claiming that that's who they were going for and Waits has made a career out of trying to copy him as well (!). Wait's defense was that they had approached him many times with offers that he had turned down, so it was clear they were after him. Someone eventually turned up an internal memo from the ad agency stating more or less, "Since this Waits guy won't co-operate, get someone who sounds exactly like him". Ken R From ???@??? Tue Sep 01 11:10:03 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id NAA13563; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 13:14:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 13:14:48 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <35EC23F6.4B8B4191@vtx.ch> Date: Tue, 01 Sep 1998 18:42:30 +0200 From: Claude Voit Reply-To: c.voit@vtx.ch X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Far out man! References: <001001bdd597$d109cba0$0d01a8c0@Remote> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <"SaDjK2.0.tI2.sQ2xr"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1500 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Steve this is a subject for rec.drugs.cannabis or alt.sun.abuse 8=) Claude -- Please correct the reply address by deleting this "----" Veuillez corriger mon adresse pour me rŽpondre en effaant a "----" From ???@??? Tue Sep 01 21:17:27 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id OAA10078; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 14:34:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 14:34:35 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 13:04:08 -0500 (CDT) From: Dave Stagner To: loopy Subject: Re: Far out man! In-Reply-To: <001001bdd597$d109cba0$0d01a8c0@Remote> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"QdxSw1.0.277.oS3xr"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1501 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com On Tue, 1 Sep 1998, Steve Lauder wrote: > Amazingly weird connections that leap off the screen when you play Pink > Floyd's "Dark Side of the Moon" as the soundtrack to "The Wizard of Oz." > The lyrics and music join in cosmic synch with the action, forming dozens > upon dozens of startling coincidences... the kind that make you go "Oh wow, > man" even if you haven't been near a bong in 20 years. I'll vouch for this one! I've been blowing people's minds with it for a while now. Hint: turn up the volume! Everyone thinks, yeah, this is interesting... but when the alarm clocks go off the very second the witch first appears, you'll jump right out of your seat! The timing coincidences, both musical and lyrical, are stunning - and loopers can apppreciate the irony of serendipitous timing better than most. :} > Here's how it works. You start the album at the exact moment when the MGM > lion finishes its third and final roar. It might take a few times to get > everything lined up just right. Have your CD player on pause, and start playing on the third roar. It'll line up closely enough most of the time. My own little addition to the controversy - a lot of people believe that it must have been intentional, that such perfect timing can't be just coincidence. Personally, i think they overestimate intent and underestimate coincidence. The best timing is always unintentional. I'll offer some practical evidence to support this view - the reason we can enjoy this Wiz/DSotM magic today is the widespread availability of CD and videocassette technologies - technologies that didn't exist when DSotM was recorded. The only way to have viewed it then would have been a turntable and a film projector - an expensive combination, and difficult to time. Moreover, the B&W/Color transition (one of the best bits of timing) would require flipping the album for effect! Finally, even quality turntables are not tremendously accurate speed-wise. A 1% speed variation would lead to over a second of error by the end of a side, enough to throw the timing. But do try this! If you don't have a copy of Wizard of Oz, you may need to rent it - it's out of print right now. But excellent remastered CDs of DSotM are available... and a good thing, too. The first CD i ever heard back in 1983 was DSotM, and the sound quality was so awful that i didn't own a CD player for almost ten years afterward! -dave Practice beautiful randomness and act kind of senseless. From ???@??? Tue Sep 01 21:17:30 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id OAA13333; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 14:41:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 14:41:01 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19980901183007.13548.rocketmail@send1c.yahoomail.com> Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 11:30:06 -0700 (PDT) From: dan sumner Subject: edp ? To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"4jA3w.0.If1.Lo3xr"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1503 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Will you please tell me what EDP is? Also, do you know of a good sound card with A/D and MIDI?-- _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From ???@??? Tue Sep 01 21:17:29 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id OAA12419; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 14:39:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 14:39:19 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: jspot@kermit.syncline.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 14:08:45 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: "j. nordberg" Subject: echoplex/boston Resent-Message-ID: <"NURxp1.0.-D7.hT3xr"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1502 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com hey there list- i'm living in cambridge, ma, and am looking for an echoplex or roland (tube preferably, but solid state ok) analog tape delay (model with sound-on-sound). anyone selling, or know someone who is? thanks much... -j. /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ j. nordberg jspot@syncline.com . work . 617.661.7134 . cell . 617.719.8210 From ???@??? Tue Sep 01 21:17:40 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id PAA03710; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 15:30:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 15:30:30 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <2C396693FBDED111AEF60000F84104A71A642E@indyexch_fddi.indy.tce.com> From: Hoover Alan To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: muddying the sampling waters Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 14:17:25 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"YpbKq.0.YX7.VX4xr"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1504 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is like the famous George Harrison lawsuit of about 15 years ago. His song "My Sweet Lord" is approximately the same tune as "He's So Fine" (Chiffons?). Harrison Lost. -----Original Message----- From: KRosser414@aol.com [mailto:KRosser414@aol.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 1998 11:02 AM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: muddying the sampling waters >Same defense attorney had a case where Tom Waits sued Doritos (I think it >was) because they used a "sound alike" for one of their ads. I guess the >defense said that the agency had wanted the sound of someone who Waits had >modeled some of HIS sound on . . . can't remember how that went, but I'm not >sure that Waits didn't win. Pretty sure Waits won. I remember the ad agency's strategy was to go in armed with Louis Armstrong records, claiming that that's who they were going for and Waits has made a career out of trying to copy him as well (!). Wait's defense was that they had approached him many times with offers that he had turned down, so it was clear they were after him. Someone eventually turned up an internal memo from the ad agency stating more or less, "Since this Waits guy won't co-operate, get someone who sounds exactly like him". Ken R From ???@??? Tue Sep 01 21:17:41 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id PAA06101; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 15:35:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 15:35:59 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <98Sep1.141715cdt.26881@gateway.gibson.com> From: Dino Cattaneo To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: echoplex/boston Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 14:20:47 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"P2faT1.0.e.gb4xr"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1505 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com If you are looking for a used Echoplex, I can't help you. If you want a new one, talk to Mr. Music in Allston. -----Original Message----- From: j. nordberg [mailto:jspot@syncline.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 1998 2:09 PM To: dcattane@gibson.com; pmurphy@gibson.com Subject: echoplex/boston hey there list- i'm living in cambridge, ma, and am looking for an echoplex or roland (tube preferably, but solid state ok) analog tape delay (model with sound-on-sound). anyone selling, or know someone who is? thanks much... -j. /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ j. nordberg jspot@syncline.com . work . 617.661.7134 . cell . 617.719.8210 From ???@??? Tue Sep 01 21:17:43 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id PAA11419; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 15:47:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 15:47:46 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <35EC4B90.19B2@mdbs.com> Date: Tue, 01 Sep 1998 14:31:28 -0500 From: "Dennis W. Leas" X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win95; U) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: edp ? References: <19980901183007.13548.rocketmail@send1c.yahoomail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"6b6do3.0.Qh.Kh4xr"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1506 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com dan sumner wrote: > > Will you please tell me what EDP is? Also, do you know > > of a good sound card with A/D and MIDI?-- To most of the world, EDP means Electronic Data Processing. To us loopers, it generally means the Oberheim Echoplex Digital Pro (see: http://www.annihilist.com/loop/tools/echoplex/echoplex.html for details). However, a quick web search turns this up: ---------- FORWARDED MESSAGE -------------------- From: "Ken Westra" To: mems@ISI.EDU Date: Fri, 24 May 1996 11:31:13 MST7MDT Subject: EDP Toxicity We were wondering if anyone had information beyond the MSDS sheets on the toxicity of EDP ? We have been using EDP for quite awhile and take various precautions when working with it. For the last year, we have been transfering most of our SI etch work to safer etches (KOH, TMAH), however, we have one production process that seems to need EDP for decent yields. For this reason, we decided to spend some time looking into EDP toxicity. Any help would be greatly aprreciatated. Ken Westra Staff Scientist -- Alberta Microelectronic Centre westra@amc.ab.ca ---------- END FORWARDED MESSAGE ---------------- Kim, do you know anything about "EDP toxicity"? Ever since I've been exposed to mine, my thinking has changed. It's affected my neural passages! I ignore my family and friends! I got one, but it wasn't enough. I ended up SELLING some stuff to BUY ANOTHER ONE! AND NOW I WANT A THIRD ONE!!! AAIIIEEE!!! Sorry about the smart-a** answer, Dan! I must be avoiding stuff at work... - Dennis Leas -- dennis@mdbs.com From ???@??? Tue Sep 01 21:18:01 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id RAA16773; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 17:07:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 17:07:48 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Edward_Chang@mail.amsinc.com X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMSINC To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-ID: <85256672.00714BC9.00@ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com> Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 16:30:07 -0400 Subject: Re: Far out man! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"7qQ0Y1.0._I2.Yw5xr"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1508 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi Dave I was wondering if you could help me out with a little problem, towards which I would be eternally grateful... A while back somebody had asked a question about getting signal from their guitar rack w/o an amp and you had given an answer of making a line out for the guitar amp. You said - "Get a little project box. It needs a 1/4 jack going in and rwo 1/4 jacks going out. The input jack should be connected to the regular speaker jack on your amp. For the two output jacks, wire them in parallel. Put a 1000 ohm 5 watt resistor in series with one of the jacks. This is the line out. You should be able to plug it directly into mixers, etc... Make sure the speaker is plugged into the other jack! It is bad for tube amps to not receive a proper load.....It requires almost NO electronics knowledge!" What I'm trying to do these days is very similar, except that my amp is not a guitar amp but ANY amp (electronic toys, Casio PK-1, portable tuntable). I have a turntable which is from the 50's and doesn't have a line out. So a friend of mine soldered the wires leading to the built in speaker to an output jack. When I plugged it in to a guitar amp. a capacitor exploded inside the record player. Then I remembered your post about resisters and loads. Should I try it again with a resistor in series? Should the resistor be in the ground or the hot wire? What's the formula to determine ohms and wattage for any kind of electroinic sound source (powering a small speaker) to get it to a line out level? Again I would be greatly indebted to you for any enlightenment... Ed From ???@??? Tue Sep 01 21:18:02 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id RAA17756; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 17:09:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 17:09:55 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: floyd@voicenet.com Date: 1 Sep 1998 20:52:48 -0000 Message-ID: <19980901205248.519.qmail@unix01.voicenet.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Mac Viruses Resent-Message-ID: <"OoDac3.0.QK2.iw5xr"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1509 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Virus resources I know of: Symantec's virus information center: http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/vinfodb.html Virex Virus database: http://www.drsolomon.com/products/virex/zoo/maczoopg.html Disinfectant (free virus scanner and elliminator) http://cobweb.berkeley.edu/Disinfectant.nclk From ???@??? Tue Sep 01 21:18:23 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id SAA09327; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 18:02:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 18:02:43 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <004001bdd5f1$bdace060$4d0a4382@hovard> From: "Thomas W¿hni" To: , Subject: Anyine using the Roland S-550 sampler? Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 23:44:46 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"wqS283.0.Hc.4k6xr"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1510 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi gang , I have just discovered that the Roland S-550 sampler is within my price-range , secondhand. Can anyone offer some pro`s and con`s for this machine. I`m not exactly shure I`ve got the name right but it`s the one that can(and should) be used with a screen and mouse......that`s all I know about it. My main concerns are the filter section and the effects , if there are any........ So , if anyone here have some info on this I`d love to hear it. if it`s too "off-topic" maybe an off-list reply would be best? Yours , Thomas Feel free to check out my web-site: http://www.geocities.com/Eureka/Promenade/1628/ From ???@??? Tue Sep 01 21:18:27 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id SAA17101; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 18:19:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 18:19:56 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 17:00:49 -0500 (CDT) From: Dave Stagner To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Old amps, was Re: Far out man! In-Reply-To: <85256672.00714BC9.00@ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"MF8au.0.t52.Rw6xr"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1511 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com On Tue, 1 Sep 1998 Edward_Chang@mail.amsinc.com wrote: > A while back somebody had asked a question about getting signal from their > guitar rack w/o an amp and you had given an answer of making a line out for > the guitar amp. You said - > > "Get a little project box. It needs a 1/4 jack going in and rwo 1/4 jacks > going out. The input jack should be connected to the regular speaker jack > on your amp. For the two output jacks, wire them in parallel. > Put a 1000 ohm 5 watt resistor in series with one of the jacks. This is > the line out. > You should be able to plug it directly into mixers, etc... Make sure the > speaker is plugged into the other jack! It is bad for tube amps to not > receive a proper load.....It requires almost NO electronics knowledge!" > > What I'm trying to do these days is very similar, except that my amp is not > a guitar amp but ANY amp (electronic toys, Casio PK-1, portable tuntable). > I have a turntable which is from the 50's and doesn't have a line out. So > a friend of mine soldered the wires leading to the built in speaker to an > output jack. When I plugged it in to a guitar amp. a capacitor exploded > inside the record player. Then I remembered your post about resisters and > loads. Should I try it again with a resistor in series? Should the > resistor be in the ground or the hot wire? What's the formula to determine > ohms and wattage for any kind of electroinic sound source (powering a small > speaker) to get it to a line out level? I assume this old turntable has a tube amplifier? The problem may just be its age... old capacitors often fail due to aging. In fact, any tube amplifier dating back to the 1960s or earlier should be re-capped by a professional for safety reasons. Cap failures can take out other components - especially expensive vintage output transformers. A cap job won't change your amp's sound much, but a new output transformer can ruin the sonics of a beautiful vintage amp (oh, and as long as you're upgrading vintage equipment, add a three-prong power cord and a ground lift switch (for safety), and have all the tubes tested (failed tubes can also kill other parts)). Another possibility is that your friend's wiring job, a bad cable, or something else shorted the output transformer - another recipe for disaster. Also, did you keep the original speaker connected to the output, or was it disconnected? It is VERY important that tube amp outputs see the correct impedance loads, or else you risk damage. In the model i suggested, the line out is effectively in parallel with the original speaker. By Ohm's Law, a minimum 1000 ohm load in parallel with an 8 ohm load makes a nearly 8 ohm load (close enough). Voltage across the 1k load will be equal to the voltage across the 8 ohm speaker, but power will be greatly reduced. Here's where computing power output comes in... watts = volts^2/resistance. So if your amp puts out ten volts, the power across an 8 ohm speaker is 10^2/8 = 12.5 watts. If you have a 1k line out in parallel, its power is 10^2/1000 = .1 watt. See, most of the actual power is going through the speaker, even though the same voltage goes across the line out. I believe Kim suggested putting another resistor across the line out as well. This is good advice. Moreover, the output of our little line out box is *awfully* high for a line out, and should be attenuated somewhat (especially if you're plugging it into a guitar amp!) Here's an alternative suggestion - get a 1k ohm pot from Radio Shack. Wire terminals 1 and 3 across your speaker terminals. Connect pin 2 to the tip of your line out jack, and pin 3 to the ring. This gives you a line out with a 1k impedance (low enough to match most equipment) and a volume control as well! > Again I would be greatly indebted to you for any enlightenment... Hope this helps. :} -dave Practice beautiful randomness and act kind of senseless. From ???@??? Tue Sep 01 21:18:41 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id TAA30903; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 19:56:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 19:56:38 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980901163733.006b814c@popper.simi-valley.tt.slb.com > X-Sender: cavaleri@popper.simi-valley.tt.slb.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Tue, 01 Sep 1998 16:37:36 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Joe Cavaleri Subject: Re: my jamman is acting broken Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"TDxRW3.0.3f4.ZG8xr"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1513 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Dain, You might want to foward Bob Sellon your problem. He has been very helpful to other people on this list. bsellon@lexicon.com good luck and welcome to the list joe At 05:16 PM 8/29/98 -0500, you wrote: >Me and my roommate were trying to reset the midi channel on one of the >jammen without the aid of the manual (aka pushing random buttons and >powering up) and now when syncing it to midi the loops shut off after a >while and the delay mode just flicks between 0 for loop and 1 for delay. >Could a midi problem have this drastic an effect on it (ODing on note >info?) or did we fry something? > >thanks >in advance >Dain > >PS I just got on this list yesterday so I'm a newbi > > > From ???@??? Tue Sep 01 21:18:50 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id WAA01146; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 22:34:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 22:34:44 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <942ac265.35ecac21@aol.com> Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 22:23:29 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: DOD D 12-stereo delay Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 170 Resent-Message-ID: <"A-Z7g2.0.UJ7.enAxr"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1514 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com hello..is anyone using this box and is it worth $199.00 new......michael From ???@??? Wed Sep 02 08:54:42 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id EAA08152; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 04:41:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 04:41:52 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <001c01bdd64b$6bf743a0$0d01a8c0@Remote> From: "Steve Lauder" To: "loopy" Subject: Re: Far out man! Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 09:26:11 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"SuVMe1.0.sq1.XDGxr"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1516 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >Steve > >this is a subject for rec.drugs.cannabis or alt.sun.abuse > >8=) > >Claude As I said at the top of the post, I thought a little light-heartedness was due after the heavy debates that have recently taken place. It was a bit of a laugh, which I thought you might find interesting as well as entertaining. I appologise if people don't share my idea of entertainment From ???@??? Wed Sep 02 08:54:57 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id HAA22537; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 07:31:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 07:31:32 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 06:44:07 -0400 (EDT) From: Stew Benedict To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: ASR-X Pro vs. MPC2000 In-Reply-To: <002401bdd3b3$a97d2680$513c9ad1@default> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"2zoqM2.0.765.lWIxr"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1519 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Has anyone bought from this SoundOnSound outfit in Japan? Their prices on Roland and Akai are incredible, but I'm a little hesitant to just send a check off to Japan... Thanks, Stew From ???@??? Wed Sep 02 08:54:54 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id GAA19017; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 06:50:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 06:50:49 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 06:45:24 -0400 From: Andreas Willers Subject: Re: Far out man! Sender: Andreas Willers To: "INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Message-ID: <199809020645_MC2-5828-197D@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"AUxwC1.0.vX4.m7Ixr"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1517 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com It's allright, Steve. I enjoyed the posting. From ???@??? Wed Sep 02 08:54:52 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id GAA18988; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 06:50:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 06:50:37 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 06:45:47 -0400 From: Andreas Willers Subject: Re: Far out man! Sender: Andreas Willers To: "INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Message-ID: <199809020646_MC2-5828-1983@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"ZjdBk.0.LY4.t7Ixr"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1518 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com It's allright, Steve - I enjoyed the posting. In fact the whole issue of coincidences in parrallel events is something I sometimes wonder about not only in a looping context but in composition as well. When inpiration strikes I often write in a 'stream of consciousness' for a couple of hours and after the fact am wondering 'how did all this fit together so gracefully?' But part of the fun is leaving certain things in the mist here. Best, Andreas From ???@??? Wed Sep 02 23:12:40 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id PAA27612; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 15:21:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 15:21:42 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <35ED2244.F2ED5A33@vtx.ch> Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1998 12:47:32 +0200 From: Claude Voit Reply-To: c.voit@vtx.ch X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Far out man! References: <001c01bdd64b$6bf743a0$0d01a8c0@Remote> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <"EEe3E3.0.Sk5.qLPxr"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1530 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Steve Lauder wrote: > > >Steve > > > >this is a subject for rec.drugs.cannabis or alt.sun.abuse > > > >8=) > > > >Claude > > As I said at the top of the post, I thought a little light-heartedness was > due after the heavy debates that have recently taken place. It was a bit of > a laugh, which I thought you might find interesting as well as entertaining. > I appologise if people don't share my idea of entertainment No NO don't appologise I loved every inch of it, we're in the same ligue Its just my english that sucks for expressing humour and subtilities in a foreign language Clumsy Claude -- Please correct the reply address by deleting this "----" Veuillez corriger mon adresse pour me rŽpondre en effaant a "----" From ???@??? Wed Sep 02 08:55:05 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id JAA31926; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 09:01:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 09:01:39 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: PJBMHB@aol.com Message-ID: <69dc21e9.35ed3ff9@aol.com> Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 08:54:17 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Far out man! Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 41 Resent-Message-ID: <"FNfaU2.0.ya7.a0Kxr"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1520 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com WHY do YOU thnink THEY call it DOPE?!! From ???@??? Wed Sep 02 08:55:14 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id JAA04756; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 09:42:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 09:42:43 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <2C396693FBDED111AEF60000F84104A71A6436@indyexch_fddi.indy.tce.com> From: Hoover Alan To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Old amps, was Re: Far out man! Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 08:27:30 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"3gr6f2.0.ge.UVKxr"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1521 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Better let someone look at it who is competent at electronics. It sounds to me like your record player might have a "hot chassis". This means that no isolation transformer was used in order to cut costs. If the speaker leads were hooked up to make it difficult to get to them, this is likely the case. "Ground" on such a chassis runs at about 75vdc relative to actual earth ground. Hooking up to the speaker on such a chassis is dangerous, and should not be done. You should always use a proper isolation transformer when hooking up to the speaker output of an amplifier. Not only because of the above safety reason, but also to prevent hum due to ground currents. And another thing!! If you come off of the speaker output of a guitar amplifier, you should use a VOLTAGE DIVIDER to reduce the amplitude of the signal going into the line input, or you will probably damage the input circuitry of your board due to the high voltage available at the speaker output. Plus, a filter capacitor to ground to reduce the highs a little, or the sound will likely be very "sterile". This will take some experimentation to get the sound just right, but well worth the effort. Better yet, get a "Power Soak", which properly loads down the tube amp output, letting you crank up the volume to get nice distortion, but use the filter cap when going into a board at line level to eliminate the sterile sound. Let me know if you want more details on the divider, capacitor values, etc. You can get great direct sound this way if you are willing to tweak around a bit. -----Original Message----- From: Dave Stagner [mailto:dstagner@icarus.net] Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 1998 5:01 PM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Old amps, was Re: Far out man! > "Get a little project box. It needs a 1/4 jack going in and rwo 1/4 jacks > going out. The input jack should be connected to the regular speaker jack > on your amp. For the two output jacks, wire them in parallel. > Put a 1000 ohm 5 watt resistor in series with one of the jacks. This is > the line out. > You should be able to plug it directly into mixers, etc... Make sure the > speaker is plugged into the other jack! It is bad for tube amps to not > receive a proper load.....It requires almost NO electronics knowledge!" > > I have a turntable which is from the 50's and doesn't have a line out. So > a friend of mine soldered the wires leading to the built in speaker to an > output jack. When I plugged it in to a guitar amp. a capacitor exploded > inside the record player. I assume this old turntable has a tube amplifier? The problem may just be its age... old capacitors often fail due to aging. In fact, any tube amplifier dating back to the 1960s or earlier should be re-capped by a professional for safety reasons. Cap failures can take out other components - especially expensive vintage output transformers. From ???@??? Wed Sep 02 08:55:20 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id JAA06981; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 09:59:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 09:59:49 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Edward_Chang@mail.amsinc.com X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMSINC To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-ID: <85256673.004B38D3.00@ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com> Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 09:46:34 -0400 Subject: Re: Old amps, was Re: Far out man! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"pFiRD.0.OD1.hkKxr"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1522 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thanks for your advice Dave! If I can get all this stuff working, I'm going to refer to these "homemades" as "Dave Stagner Specials". -'Ehh, whut's thet geezmo?' -'Oh, why that's a Dave Stagner Special.' From ???@??? Wed Sep 02 08:55:29 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id LAA15433; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 11:02:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 11:02:40 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <35ED5CCF.50DC@mdbs.com> Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1998 09:57:19 -0500 From: "Dennis W. Leas" X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win95; U) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Far out man! References: <001c01bdd64b$6bf743a0$0d01a8c0@Remote> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"ObJ-I1.0.gU3.2mLxr"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1523 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Steve Lauder wrote: > > I appologise if people don't share my idea of entertainment Not to worry, man. Due to your message, my friends and I have scheduled a "The Pink Wizard of the Other Side of Oz" party. Thanks! - Dennis Leas -- dennis@mdbs.com From ???@??? Wed Sep 02 09:55:51 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id MAA26262; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 12:12:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 12:12:29 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <001c01bdd64b$6bf743a0$0d01a8c0@Remote> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 09:01:12 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Far out man! Resent-Message-ID: <"zDBAl1.0.N16.vmMxr"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1524 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 1:26 AM -0700 9/2/98, Steve Lauder wrote: >>Steve >> >>this is a subject for rec.drugs.cannabis or alt.sun.abuse >> >>8=) ^^^^^^^^^^ note smiley!!!! >>Claude > > >As I said at the top of the post, I thought a little light-heartedness was >due after the heavy debates that have recently taken place. It was a bit of >a laugh, which I thought you might find interesting as well as entertaining. >I appologise if people don't share my idea of entertainment Claude was just joking too there Steve, easy now! kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Wed Sep 02 09:55:58 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id MAA32082; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 12:48:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 12:48:23 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <01BDD654.F949C440.lahatch@dnai.com> From: Laurie Hatch To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: Re: ASR-X Pro vs. MPC2000 Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 09:34:25 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"vTnng3.0.pP7.AINxr"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1525 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com On Wednesday, September 02, 1998 3:44 AM, Stew Benedict [SMTP:stewb@earthlink.net] wrote: > > Has anyone bought from this SoundOnSound outfit in Japan? Their > prices on Roland and Akai are incredible, but I'm a little hesitant to > just send a check off to Japan... Stew, I've been hangin' out on a Roland list, and at least 10 people (from several different countries) have posted with very positive, enthusiastic results about doing business with SOS. (Nope, they're not paying me for this endorsement, but I could definitely get into some barter... %^). No one has posted any complaints so far -- SOS seems to be competent, fast, and reliable. One thing ya gotta check/deal with is whether the voltage on hardware products is compatible with where you are located. (Is it 220 in Japan?) I haven't looked into that piece of it myself, so I don't know for sure. Another variable is whether one will be charged customs duties here in the US. Several of the Roland list guys have been charged (usually 2.9%), others were charged nothing. My guess is that it depends on what kind of mood the customs dude/dudess is in when the package rolls by. Send 'em some Wizard of Oz and Pink Floyd to distract them... Yet another consideration is the product warranty being registered through an out-of-country retailer. This may potentially be a costly problem on some products if you need repairs, but not necessarily on others. I can send you more particulars off list if you'd like. http://www.soundonsound.com/index-e.html ciao, laurie From ???@??? Wed Sep 02 10:17:07 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id MAA00379; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 12:54:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 12:54:17 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <99727ab2.35ed751e@aol.com> Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 12:41:02 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: another piece of goofy info Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 170 Resent-Message-ID: <"ehYMQ2.0.yY7.1LNxr"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1526 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com hello....on harmony-central today....jam with others over the internet...free download and info at www.livejam.com/ this might be interesting and they seem to be very open to suggestions. so why suffer your psychasthenia alone....michael From ???@??? Wed Sep 02 10:17:14 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id NAA02001; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 13:02:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 13:02:38 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Edward_Chang@mail.amsinc.com X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMSINC To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-ID: <85256673.005C75A7.00@ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com> Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 12:54:50 -0400 Subject: RE: Old amps, was Re: Far out man! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"TtH-N2.0.ax7.cTNxr"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1527 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thanks Alan. Between you and Dave S and my new copy of Craig Anderton's "Electronics Projects for Musicians" I'm sure I can make some kind of noise. I have a feeling I'm going to soon take up your offer about questions, tho....(off-line). Hoover Alan on 09/02/98 09:27:30 AM Please respond to Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" cc: (bcc: Edward Chang/AMS/AMSINC) Subject: RE: Old amps, was Re: Far out man! Better let someone look at it who is competent at electronics. It sounds to me like your record player might have a "hot chassis". This means that no isolation transformer was used in order to cut costs. If the speaker leads were hooked up to make it difficult to get to them, this is likely the case. "Ground" on such a chassis runs at about 75vdc relative to actual earth ground. Hooking up to the speaker on such a chassis is dangerous, and should not be done. You should always use a proper isolation transformer when hooking up to the speaker output of an amplifier. Not only because of the above safety reason, but also to prevent hum due to ground currents. And another thing!! If you come off of the speaker output of a guitar amplifier, you should use a VOLTAGE DIVIDER to reduce the amplitude of the signal going into the line input, or you will probably damage the input circuitry of your board due to the high voltage available at the speaker output. Plus, a filter capacitor to ground to reduce the highs a little, or the sound will likely be very "sterile". This will take some experimentation to get the sound just right, but well worth the effort. Better yet, get a "Power Soak", which properly loads down the tube amp output, letting you crank up the volume to get nice distortion, but use the filter cap when going into a board at line level to eliminate the sterile sound. Let me know if you want more details on the divider, capacitor values, etc. You can get great direct sound this way if you are willing to tweak around a bit. -----Original Message----- From: Dave Stagner [mailto:dstagner@icarus.net] Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 1998 5:01 PM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Old amps, was Re: Far out man! > "Get a little project box. It needs a 1/4 jack going in and rwo 1/4 jacks > going out. The input jack should be connected to the regular speaker jack > on your amp. For the two output jacks, wire them in parallel. > Put a 1000 ohm 5 watt resistor in series with one of the jacks. This is > the line out. > You should be able to plug it directly into mixers, etc... Make sure the > speaker is plugged into the other jack! It is bad for tube amps to not > receive a proper load.....It requires almost NO electronics knowledge!" > > I have a turntable which is from the 50's and doesn't have a line out. So > a friend of mine soldered the wires leading to the built in speaker to an > output jack. When I plugged it in to a guitar amp. a capacitor exploded > inside the record player. I assume this old turntable has a tube amplifier? The problem may just be its age... old capacitors often fail due to aging. In fact, any tube amplifier dating back to the 1960s or earlier should be re-capped by a professional for safety reasons. Cap failures can take out other components - especially expensive vintage output transformers. From ???@??? Sun Sep 06 14:28:58 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id MAA08184; Sun, 6 Sep 1998 12:26:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1998 12:26:37 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Subject: Re: Roland S-550 sampler? Date: Mon, 4 Jul 39 10:23:56 -0700 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: Doug Tapia To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Message-ID: <1307045151-45227678@arts.unco.edu> Resent-Message-ID: <"907A31.0.tZ1._Qhyr"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1567 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >Subject: Roland S-550 sampler? >Sent: 9/3/98 1:57 PM >Received: 9/4/98 12:24 AM >From: Thomas W¿hni, hovard@online.no >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > > >Hey all , I was just wondering if any of you are using the Roland S-550 >sampler? >What`s your impression of it? Pro`s n con`s? > >Yours, Thomas > I used to use on of these. Great sound, Roland interface (this might be good or bad depending on what you think of Roland interface. Only one problem as far as I can tell: This unit really wants to be used with a VGA video monitor for waveform editing, etc. The video driver card brings up the noise floor by about 20dB. From ???@??? Wed Sep 02 11:03:26 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id NAA06395; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 13:26:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 13:26:01 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 12:10:59 -0500 (CDT) From: Dave Stagner To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: Old amps, was Re: Far out man! In-Reply-To: <85256673.005C75A7.00@ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"KBvni1.0.Bw.fmNxr"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1528 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Alan raises a good point about the possibility of a "hot chassis"... and if he's right, you should not use that turntable in a circuit with any other audio equipment. It's a hazard to EVERYTHING. You can possibly isolate it using a low-current isolation transformer, but ultimately it is a very dangerous piece of equipment. Even in high-voltage tube amps (a tube guitar amp can have upwards of 500v!), the most dangerous part by far is the AC mains. Power transformers limit the heart-stopping current. For more on electrical safety when working on tube amps, check out http://www.bottlehead.com/valve/safety.shtml -dave Practice beautiful randomness and act kind of senseless. From ???@??? Wed Sep 02 23:12:38 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id OAA23605; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 14:59:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 14:59:53 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Edward_Chang@mail.amsinc.com X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMSINC To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-ID: <85256673.0066A3C4.00@ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com> Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 14:45:58 -0400 Subject: RE: Old amps, was Re: Far out man! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"Q1qKz3.0.-45.l5Pxr"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1529 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At this point I'm getting nervous about this tube-powered turntable wiring. How do detect a hot chassis? Can I do that with a multimneter? Up until this point I've been wiring the cartridge leads directly into output jacks, disconnecting them from the circuit boards completely. Somebody had mentioned that turntable circuits have some eq built in to "normalize" the cartridge frequency output, which is why I wanted to try the speaker outs, but it doesn't sound that bad with some mixer eq anyways (and I'd hate to have a shocking revelation). We'll see. But the idea about the potentiometer sounds good, can I use that same technique for battery operated toys, like Casio keyboards and hand-held video games, etc...? That sounds safer at least....to be honest, I'm pretty much a beginner so I'm trying to do things a little at a time.... Again thanks for all the help! Ed Dave wrote: Dave Stagner on 09/02/98 01:10:59 PM Please respond to Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com cc: (bcc: Edward Chang/AMS/AMSINC) Subject: RE: Old amps, was Re: Far out man! Alan raises a good point about the possibility of a "hot chassis"... and if he's right, you should not use that turntable in a circuit with any other audio equipment. It's a hazard to EVERYTHING. You can possibly isolate it using a low-current isolation transformer, but ultimately it is a very dangerous piece of equipment. Even in high-voltage tube amps (a tube guitar amp can have upwards of 500v!), the most dangerous part by far is the AC mains. Power transformers limit the heart-stopping current. For more on electrical safety when working on tube amps, check out http://www.bottlehead.com/valve/safety.shtml -dave Practice beautiful randomness and act kind of senseless. From ???@??? Wed Sep 02 23:12:43 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id QAA02771; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 16:03:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 16:03:12 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <2C396693FBDED111AEF60000F84104A71A643C@indyexch_fddi.indy.tce.com> From: Hoover Alan To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Cc: "'Edward_Chang@mail.amsinc.com'" Subject: RE: Old amps, was Re: Far out man! Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 14:35:53 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"rIX3A1.0.fR7.PvPxr"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1531 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com If you have a hot chassis, there will not be any aux. inputs/outputs. However, that doesn't necessarily mean that if there are no aux. in/out jacks that the chassis is hot. If you look inside, there will be no transformer connected to the AC power line on a hot chassis. That is the main savings, elimination of the ac power transformer. Many tube table radios/phonographs of the 50's did this to eliminate all transformers. Most small TV's made today are hot chassis types. There might be an audio output transformer, two leads of which would be connected to the speaker output (times two for stereo) in which case the speaker terminals may or may not be hot, depending on whether the output transformer is of the isolating type. Kids, don't do this at home without adult supervision: The way to measure this is to use an ac or dc voltmeter, and measure either of the speaker terminals with respect to ac (earth) ground. You can use the metal case of any grounded appliance as ac ground, or the ground wire of a three wire groung plug. The voltage will be somewhere around 50vdc, or 60v ac. Could be more or less. It is actually a "half-wave rectified waveform", containing both dc and ac components. It is the ac that causes the heart to go into fibrillation. -----Original Message----- From: Edward_Chang@mail.amsinc.com [mailto:Edward_Chang@mail.amsinc.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 1998 1:46 PM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: Old amps, was Re: Far out man! At this point I'm getting nervous about this tube-powered turntable wiring. How do detect a hot chassis? Can I do that with a multimneter? Up until this point I've been wiring the cartridge leads directly into output jacks, disconnecting them from the circuit boards completely. Somebody had mentioned that turntable circuits have some eq built in to "normalize" the cartridge frequency output, which is why I wanted to try the speaker outs, but it doesn't sound that bad with some mixer eq anyways (and I'd hate to have a shocking revelation). We'll see. But the idea about the potentiometer sounds good, can I use that same technique for battery operated toys, like Casio keyboards and hand-held video games, etc...? That sounds safer at least....to be honest, I'm pretty much a beginner so I'm trying to do things a little at a time.... Again thanks for all the help! Ed Dave wrote: Dave Stagner on 09/02/98 01:10:59 PM Please respond to Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com cc: (bcc: Edward Chang/AMS/AMSINC) Subject: RE: Old amps, was Re: Far out man! Alan raises a good point about the possibility of a "hot chassis"... and if he's right, you should not use that turntable in a circuit with any other audio equipment. It's a hazard to EVERYTHING. You can possibly isolate it using a low-current isolation transformer, but ultimately it is a very dangerous piece of equipment. Even in high-voltage tube amps (a tube guitar amp can have upwards of 500v!), the most dangerous part by far is the AC mains. Power transformers limit the heart-stopping current. For more on electrical safety when working on tube amps, check out http://www.bottlehead.com/valve/safety.shtml -dave Practice beautiful randomness and act kind of senseless. From ???@??? Wed Sep 02 23:12:48 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id QAA05427; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 16:18:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 16:18:25 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <2.2.32.19980902195458.00fa3388@pop.chromatic.com> X-Sender: kflint@pop.chromatic.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1998 12:54:58 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: RIAA listens to Negativland, changes the rules Resent-Message-ID: <"4mAJ31.0.dF.Z9Qxr"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1532 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >From the SonicNet "music news of the world" website today (http://www.addict.com/MNOTW/hifi/) comes this interesting article on the Negativland/RIAA dispute. Since reprinting the entire article here would be violating Addicted to Noise copyrights, I'll just use some excerpts. :-) The whole article should be available at this link: http://rl.sonicnet.com/news/article3.jhtml;$sessionid$VKFA1CYAABS23UID1AKCFE Q?index=1 (hopefully this won't start the whole debate all over again. :-) ********************************************* 09/02/98 03:09 SonicNet Music News reports: In a surprising response to a furor raised by underground collage band Negativland, the group's fans and its supporters, the Recording Industry Association of America announced on Tuesday that it had agreed to amend its CD Plant Guidelines to account for the existence of "fair use" material on CDs. [snip] The decision to amend the plant guidelines was an about-face for the R.I.A.A., which had previously criticized Negativland for questioning the original guidelines. [snip] "Unfortunately, Negativland, and many of you, believe that our CD Plant Good Business Practices -- formalized earlier this year into specific guidelines for CD plants to recognize pirated product -- has had the unintended effect of prejudicing the group's ability to get their album pressed," the release continued. "As an organization that has worked tirelessly to protect freedom of expression, we are gravely concerned about this perception. Our objective in issuing the CD Plant Guidelines has been to stop piracy, not artistic expression. Accordingly, the R.I.A.A. has amended its CD Plant Guidelines in response to your concerns." As a result, for the first time in nearly a month, Negativland's co-leader Mark Hosler had nothing negative to say about the R.I.A.A. "I'm amazed. It's a really incredible thing," Hosler said Tuesday night of the memo, issued after the music industry trade organization received an unspecified amount of e-mail and letters from irate Negativland fans. [snip] "This is really the first time they've acknowledged that 'fair use' is a gray area in the copyright law," said a giddy Hosler in response to the R.I.A.A. amendment. Negativland have long professed their belief that their collage-like appropriation of copyright-protected material is covered under a 'fair use' provision of copyright law that protects their "transformative" works of art. "The fact that an organization that represents the major labels is coming out and saying it's not a black-and-white issue, as far as Negativland is concerned, is unprecedented," added Hosler. According to the amended R.I.A.A. guidelines, "some recordings presented for manufacture may contain -- as part of an artist's work -- identifiable 'samples' or small pieces of other artists' well-known songs. In some instances, this sampling may qualify as 'fair use' under copyright law, and in other instances, it may constitute copyright infringement. There are no hard and fast rules in this area and judgments on both 'fair use' and indemnification must be made on a case-by-case basis." [snip] ****************************************** ________________________________________________________ Kim Flint, MTS 408-752-9284 Chromatic Research kflint@chromatic.com http://www.chromatic.com From ???@??? Wed Sep 02 23:12:53 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id QAA10875; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 16:50:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 16:50:28 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: AURALG@aol.com Message-ID: <7263bfa8.35edab34@aol.com> Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 16:31:48 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: echoplex memory Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 61 Resent-Message-ID: <"Nwc_C2.0.6y1.djQxr"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1533 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hello all, I'm trying to find some info on what the best or most suitable 4meg chips are for the Echoplex memory upgrade. >From Club Mac I have found some for 25 bucks apiece. They meet all the specs. Pc Zone is offering the same spec chips at 7.98 apiece. I've read some posts that say anything will work, but tend to want some feedback from user experiences. Any info will be greatly appreciated. Sincerely Kevin Bartlett From ???@??? Wed Sep 02 23:13:05 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id RAA20302; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 17:55:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 17:55:47 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19980902214406.11727.rocketmail@send102.yahoomail.com> Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 14:44:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Bret Subject: ot:loopy instrument To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"jtzTs2.0.3X4.ImRxr"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1534 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Folks, Off topic question follows: I found an unusual instrument at the pawns shop, curious if any of you know this one. It is made by Farfisa (italian organ company), and is a table-top electric (fan powered) reed organ with chord buttons. The enclosure is nice wood, teak or mahogany. The name is "Pianorgan" (sounds funny when you say it). I am curious of the vintage. It is rather like an electric harmonium, with chord buttons added. I have seached the web, to no avail. Any help or suggestions where to search would be most appreciated. thanks, bret _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From ???@??? Wed Sep 02 23:13:12 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id SAA29315; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 18:39:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 18:39:31 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <35EDC086.E6981524@vtx.ch> Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1998 00:02:46 +0200 From: Claude Voit Reply-To: c.voit@vtx.ch X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: echoplex memory References: <7263bfa8.35edab34@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <"F-FqA2.0.mx5.DDSxr"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1536 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Kevin our host (Kim) has everything and more about the plex Please follow this link http://www.annihilist.com/loop/tools/echoplex/echoplex.html Salut Claude AURALG@aol.com wrote: > > Hello all, > I'm trying to find some info on what the best or most suitable 4meg chips are > for the Echoplex memory upgrade. > >From Club Mac I have found some for 25 bucks apiece. They meet all the specs. > Pc Zone is offering the same spec chips at 7.98 apiece. > I've read some posts that say anything will work, but tend to want some > feedback from user experiences. > Any info will be greatly appreciated. > > Sincerely > Kevin Bartlett -- Please correct the reply address by deleting this "----" Veuillez corriger mon adresse pour me rŽpondre en effaant a "----" From ???@??? Wed Sep 02 23:13:09 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id SAA25658; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 18:22:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 18:22:08 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <35EDC3CE.1F06@dmans.com> Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1998 17:16:46 -0500 From: "Mikell D. Nelson" Reply-To: mnelson@dmans.com Organization: Boomerang Musical Products X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: New Stick Real Audio References: <1.5.4.32.19980829224449.0066e928@tiac.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"kSDeF2.0.iv5.ZCSxr"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1535 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Reginald Hunt wrote: > > Please check out my site at > > http://www.tiac.net/users/rphunt > > for a new Stick loop track called "Majestick" in streaming RealAudio. > > Reg I did. It's cool, the music I mean. Well... and the site. Thanks for the treat. Motley at Boomerang Musical Products From ???@??? Wed Sep 02 23:13:37 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id VAA16249; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 21:10:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 21:10:49 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 19:37:09 -0400 (EDT) From: Stew Benedict To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: Re: ASR-X Pro vs. MPC2000 In-Reply-To: <01BDD654.F949C440.lahatch@dnai.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"4mlsG.0.3i3.7iUxr"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1538 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thanks Laurie, I believe Japan is 100v, 50 or 60Hz. What SOS suggests is buying a power supply (wall-wart) locally. Manuals are also not in English. Warranty service is an issue, but according to their web-page, SOS will service for you. (Of course you've got to ship back to Japan). Stew From ???@??? Wed Sep 02 23:13:29 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id TAA06395; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 19:52:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 19:52:29 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Douglas Lawrence" To: Subject: ASR-X Pro Availability Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 19:47:51 -0400 Message-ID: <000001bdd6cc$19cd9da0$87500218@cc1006472-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <01BDD654.F949C440.lahatch@dnai.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"ATdFL.0.AP1.ZaTxr"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1537 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Does anybody know who has them available here in these states? I've called a few places and no one seems to have the ASR-X Pro (red box) yet? Anybody know what they are retailing for? Thanks, Doug On Wednesday, September 02, 1998 3:44 AM, Stew Benedict [SMTP:stewb@earthlink.net] wrote: > > Has anyone bought from this SoundOnSound outfit in Japan? Their > prices on Roland and Akai are incredible, but I'm a little hesitant to > just send a check off to Japan... From ???@??? Wed Sep 02 23:13:44 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id VAA21017; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 21:46:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 21:46:57 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Marzzz@aol.com Message-ID: <1e57ae44.35edf3e6@aol.com> Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 21:41:58 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: echoplex memory Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 189 Resent-Message-ID: <"p7dVb2.0.L-4.FGVxr"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1540 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 9/2/98 3:50:44 PM, AURALG@aol.com writes: >I'm trying to find some info on what the best or most suitable 4meg chips >are for the Echoplex memory upgrade. Try "The Chip Merchant" (800)808-CHIP in San Diego, tell them you are looking for SIMMS for an old Mac II. Marshall From ???@??? Wed Sep 02 23:13:45 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id VAA20770; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 21:45:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 21:45:04 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: dmgraph@mail.earthlink.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <000001bdd6cc$19cd9da0$87500218@cc1006472-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com> References: <01BDD654.F949C440.lahatch@dnai.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 21:33:30 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: David Myers Subject: test! Resent-Message-ID: <"Id_-c1.0.5h4.D7Vxr"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1539 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Just checking, sorry! From ???@??? Thu Sep 03 09:55:43 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id EAA28139; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 04:37:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 04:37:08 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <001001bdd713$d1f3acc0$0d01a8c0@Remote> From: "Steve Lauder" To: Subject: Re: Far out man! Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 09:20:45 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"CF1Tn.0.ho6.bEbxr"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1541 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >>Steve >> >>this is a subject for rec.drugs.cannabis or alt.sun.abuse >> >>8=) >^^^^^^^^^^ > >note smiley!!!! Doh! I thought that was some sort of error in Claude's e-mail scripting, I didn't think to look sideways - sorry if my e-mail was a bit brash everyone, I'm gearing up for our European Trade Show at work this week, and I have a lot to do in a short amount of time (the pressures killing me!). Didn't mean to take it out on you Claude, or the rest of the list. SORRY! Steve From ???@??? Thu Sep 03 09:56:18 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id LAA07897; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 11:21:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 11:21:28 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 10:11:58 -0500 (CDT) From: Dave Stagner To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Subject: Negativland/RIAA info Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"H2KmX.0.Yt.37hxr"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1542 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com A day or two ago, someone posted that the RIAA had softened its position relative to Negativland, and actually acknowledged the existence of Fair Use. Could someone please forward a copy of that post to me (and references if possible)? Negativland was the subject of recent discussion at /. (www.slashdot.org, of interest if you're into free software), and i'd like to send them an update. -dave Practice beautiful randomness and act kind of senseless. From ???@??? Fri Sep 04 00:46:53 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id NAA13883; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 13:58:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 13:58:21 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 12:43:30 -0500 (CDT) From: Dave Stagner To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: Old amps, was Re: Far out man! In-Reply-To: <85256673.0066A3C4.00@ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"5HK4x1.0.0m1.9Ljxr"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1543 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com On Wed, 2 Sep 1998 Edward_Chang@mail.amsinc.com wrote: > At this point I'm getting nervous about this tube-powered turntable wiring. > How do detect a hot chassis? Can I do that with a multimneter? The way to detect a hot chassis is through examination. The power cord should lead to a power transformer inside the chassis, with multiple leads from that transformer to the tubes and power supply parts. If the power cord goes directly into the circuit without a transformer, you have a hot chassis. > Up until this point I've been wiring the cartridge leads directly into > output jacks, disconnecting them from the circuit boards completely. > Somebody had mentioned that turntable circuits have some eq built in to > "normalize" the cartridge frequency output, which is why I wanted to try > the speaker outs, but it doesn't sound that bad with some mixer eq anyways > (and I'd hate to have a shocking revelation). We'll see. RIAA equalization for turntables provides both eq and gain. Cartridges don't have much output. > But the idea about the potentiometer sounds good, can I use that same > technique for battery operated toys, like Casio keyboards and hand-held > video games, etc...? That sounds safer at least....to be honest, I'm > pretty much a beginner so I'm trying to do things a little at a time.... > Again thanks for all the help! For modern solid-state electronics like Casio keyboards, this extra complication is not needed. Just take the speaker or headphone out and plug it into the input of your mixer or guitar amp, and use the on-board volume controls to manage the volume. The line-out box i've suggested is only necessary for tube amps, which are extremely sensitive to their load. -dave Practice beautiful randomness and act kind of senseless. From ???@??? Fri Sep 04 00:47:12 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id QAA09177; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 16:08:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 16:08:44 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <000e01bdd775$1c903440$1e414382@hovard> From: "Thomas W¿hni" To: Subject: Roland S-550 sampler? Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 21:57:41 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"nbD523.0.FS1.JMlxr"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1544 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hey all , I was just wondering if any of you are using the Roland S-550 sampler? What`s your impression of it? Pro`s n con`s? Yours, Thomas (I posted this question a while back but I`m not shure it got through.....I`ve been having some problems with that lately.) Feel free to check out my web-site: http://www.geocities.com/Eureka/Promenade/1628/ From ???@??? Fri Sep 04 00:48:37 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id CAA10908; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 02:27:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 02:27:34 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Subject: Re: ASR-X Pro vs. MPC2000 Date: Fri, 4 Sep 98 00:24:11 -0600 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: Doug Tapia To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Message-ID: <1307253858-32654121@arts.unco.edu> Resent-Message-ID: <"wXfOM3.0.VI2.wTuxr"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1545 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >Subject: Re: ASR-X Pro vs. MPC2000 >Sent: 9/2/98 10:34 AM >Received: 9/3/98 8:15 AM >From: Laurie Hatch, lahatch@dnai.com >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >To: 'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com', Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > >On Wednesday, September 02, 1998 3:44 AM, Stew Benedict >[SMTP:stewb@earthlink.net] wrote: >> >> Has anyone bought from this SoundOnSound outfit in Japan? Their >> prices on Roland and Akai are incredible, but I'm a little hesitant to >> just send a check off to Japan... > >Stew, I've been hangin' out on a Roland list, and at least 10 people (from >several different countries) have posted with very positive, enthusiastic >results about doing business with SOS. (Nope, they're not paying me for >this >endorsement, but I could definitely get into some barter... %^). No one >has >posted any complaints so far -- SOS seems to be competent, fast, and >reliable. You might want to be careful here. Aside from the issues mentioned by Laurie, both Roland and Akai are fairly protective of dealer territories. There's a lot of care taken by larger companies to keep asian business in the asian dealer system, european business through european distributors, etc. While none of us probably care about the invisible lines of demarkation set up by the electronis industry giants, it may make getting service a bit of a problem at times. Another thought: While most of us are on limited budgets and want to get the most for our money, I would encourage everyone to patrionize their local music stores as much as possible. I know that some retail goons can be a real pain, but it's worth trying to find someone with whom you can build a relationship. I depend on being able to try gear extensively before I buy it. In recent years, I've seen a number of _good_ music stores fold under the preasure from the big catalogs. Most local dealers will match price, so it's a good idea to buy from them, as it's usually worth the extra money (ya gotta pay tax) to be able to have a relationship with a person. Hopefully, this person will be responsible for getting prompt service with any problems that you might have, and will be able to keep you abreast of all the latest gizzies. > One thing ya gotta check/deal with is whether the voltage on hardware >products >is compatible with where you are located. (Is it 220 in Japan?) I haven't >looked into that piece of it myself, so I don't know for sure. > >Another variable is whether one will be charged customs duties here in the >US. > Several of the Roland list guys have been charged (usually 2.9%), others >were >charged nothing. My guess is that it depends on what kind of mood the >customs >dude/dudess is in when the package rolls by. Send 'em some Wizard of Oz and >Pink Floyd to distract them... > >Yet another consideration is the product warranty being registered through >an >out-of-country retailer. This may potentially be a costly problem on some >products if you need repairs, but not necessarily on others. > >I can send you more particulars off list if you'd like. > >http://www.soundonsound.com/index-e.html > >ciao, >laurie > From ???@??? Fri Sep 04 10:54:28 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id KAA09871; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 10:26:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 10:26:42 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: joseph devlin Message-Id: <199809041415.KAA27177@ernie.WPI.EDU> Subject: Re: Roland S-550 sampler? To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 10:15:44 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <000e01bdd775$1c903440$1e414382@hovard> from "Thomas W¿hni" at Sep 3, 98 09:57:41 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"tMjVN2.0.cI1.GO_xr"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1546 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > > > Hey all , I was just wondering if any of you are using the Roland S-550 sampler? > What`s your impression of it? Pro`s n con`s? > i had one for a little while, without scsi. id say that its not too bad. it has a lot of outputs, standard, which is nice; most samplers today seem to require an additional purchase to get that many outs. the outs are assignable to each sound within the device. id say that its pretty flexible, inside, since it allows you to 'reuse' samples in multiple patches, with different starting points and settings. it has filters, resonant, i dont know how id compare them to others. you will need a monitor to use it; its kind of a pain because of this. but its not that bad. the os comes on a disk. sampling is not easy. it requires strange disk manipulations. each formatted disk contains the os required to play the samples and edit some stuff. but most of the real hardcore sample editing that you can do with the machine requires the system disk, which is also required to sample. it takes a minute or two to load up; its definitely not quick and easy, the way sampling has been getting (and in my opinion the way it should be) so i dont know how thatd effect your creative process; frankly, the sampler was too cumbersome for me to want to use. i did use it to some effect, it rewarded me well when i spent the time to set it up, but i spent entire evenings sampling into the thing and only got three or four lousy samples into it. oh yeah, technically, it has four banks of 7.5 seconds a piece (i think) at a sample rate of 30khz. you can double the time to one minute by using a 15khz sampling rate. ive heard that its a twelve bit sampler, if that means anything to you. also, time is rounded up. you can have a really short sample, but the sampler sees it as 0.5 seconds, even if its shorter. it rounds everything off to the nearest 0.5s interval. in general, id say its not too bad a sampler for the price, if you have the dedication to use it. im just used to pc sampling programs that allow you to grab anything you want at any time you want it. if thats what youd like to be able to do, dont get an s550. i just remembered: theres not too much in the way of sample transfer stuff for this sampler. unless you have a mac, in which case you may be able to find something. the best i could do was to find a program which read disk images, and sucked the samples right out of it, saving them to wav files. of course, there was no way to get the samples back into the sampler, short of sampling them, and that was always a pain. and it sounded bad. but still, this is only one persons opinion. joe From ???@??? Sat Sep 05 01:03:09 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id PAA14956; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 15:35:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 15:35:51 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <000a01bdd837$764b7720$26094382@hovard> From: "Thomas W¿hni" To: Subject: SV: Roland S-550 sampler? Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 21:08:54 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"LWM7V2.0.MG1.dj3yr"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1547 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thanks for the help , Joseph. Cleared things up a a lot for me. After reading your post a few facts made me realize that the S-550 isn`t right for me. Since I`m also used to PC based sampling and editing I want it to be a quick and easy process to get sound into the machine. The 12 bit part doesn`t bother me so much since the "grit" you can get >from that works in my music. (But I guess 12 bits is as low as I`m willing to go). So the search continues. Another day , another sampler.........Maybe I`ll go read about the Akai S1000.......Maybe that`s the sampler for me? Thomas Feel free to check out my web-site: http://www.geocities.com/Eureka/Promenade/1628/ From ???@??? Sat Sep 05 01:03:26 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id SAA19915; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 18:11:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 18:11:45 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: murff@bellsouth.net Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980904165935.007d87c0@bna.bellsouth.net> X-Sender: murff@bna.bellsouth.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 04 Sep 1998 16:59:35 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE:Purchasing direct from Japan/web address? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"AW8lJ3.0.4v2.w46yr"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1548 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com An earlier poster referred to a site where someone could purchase direct from a company in Japan. The poster made references to people commenting about it in a Roland newsgroup. I think that this was a site other than AnalogJapan. I need the web address. thanks murff From ???@??? Sat Sep 05 01:03:35 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id SAA08256; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 18:59:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 18:59:26 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Arthur Gatesy" Message-Id: <980904155624.ZM27232@cds10790.Cadence.COM> Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 15:56:24 -0700 In-Reply-To: murff@bellsouth.net "RE:Purchasing direct from Japan/web address?" (Sep 4, 4:59pm) References: <3.0.5.32.19980904165935.007d87c0@bna.bellsouth.net> X-Mailer: Z-Mail (4.0.1 13Jan97) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: RE:Purchasing direct from Japan/web address? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"pEA-a2.0.Tf1.q_6yr"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1549 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com The company is Sound On Sound - www.soundonsound.com. I've ordered Roland expansion boards from them twice, saving about $300. I would be a little nervous about warranty/repair work on keyboards/recorders/etc. though. -Art On Sep 4, 4:59pm, murff@bellsouth.net wrote: > Subject: RE:Purchasing direct from Japan/web address? > An earlier poster referred to a site where someone could purchase direct > from a company in Japan. The poster made references to people commenting > about it in a Roland newsgroup. I think that this was a site other than > AnalogJapan. > I need the web address. > thanks > murff > > >-- End of excerpt from murff@bellsouth.net -- From ???@??? Sat Sep 05 01:03:58 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id XAA32587; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 23:53:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 23:53:13 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199809050339.XAA22163@shell.monmouth.com> Reply-To: From: "andre" To: Subject: Sampling Resolution Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 23:34:30 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"huTx_1.0.kZ6.e9Byr"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1550 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com re: S-550 sampling machine. 12 bit sampler anyone know what the sampling reso of the ensoniq mirage was (is) ??? thanks andre' ---------- From ???@??? Sat Sep 05 01:04:08 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id BAA14394; Sat, 5 Sep 1998 01:47:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1998 01:47:20 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <35F0CEF4.3F4A@voicenet.com> Date: Sat, 05 Sep 1998 01:41:08 -0400 From: legion X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: andre@monmouth.com CC: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Sampling Resolution References: <199809050339.XAA22163@shell.monmouth.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"frphC.0.6q2.swCyr"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1551 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com andre wrote: > re: S-550 sampling machine. 12 bit sampler > anyone know what the sampling reso of the ensoniq mirage was (is) ??? 8 bit. It's 10x the bear to program the S550 is but it has a wonderful character (not to mention gritty analog filters with wet phat rez). Full specs and info at: http://www.webcom.com/jawknee/Mirage/ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- HELP WANTED PRODUCTIONS - Http://www.voicenet.com/~legion "Bringing you the best in Organic Electronic music since we started..." Home of the Unusual Instrument and Recording Gallery with pictures and info of Tube recorders, Omnichords, weird guitars, Casios, and more. From ???@??? Sat Sep 05 01:39:30 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id EAA11483; Sat, 5 Sep 1998 04:31:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1998 04:31:35 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <35F0DF3E.BE85D0FB@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 04 Sep 1998 23:50:41 -0700 From: Bill Moyer X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 (Macintosh; U; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Looping at bumbershoot References: <199809050339.XAA22163@shell.monmouth.com> <35F0CEF4.3F4A@voicenet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"QDAVB1.0.K32.zIFyr"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1552 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Well, I'm coming out of the loopin' closet. If any of you folks are at Bumbershoot this weekend, try to come by the Bagley Wright Theater at 1:45 Sunday afternoon. I'll be accompaniing an energetic young dancer fron S.F., doing a piece of choreography by Laura Whitman-Curry. EDP, Digitech time machine, ESI 32 sampler, and a shopping cart will be my tools of choice. Come say hello, I'm eager for feedback....verbal that is...Knock, knock, knock. Bill Moyer From ???@??? Sat Sep 05 13:17:17 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id HAA23521; Sat, 5 Sep 1998 07:56:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1998 07:56:03 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Texture444@aol.com Message-ID: <40cdbc11.35f125d0@aol.com> Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1998 07:51:44 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: buffalo performance Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 161 Resent-Message-ID: <"WqH7F.0.iK5.KNIyr"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1553 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com hey, loopers: lurky dt, here. for anybodies in the buffalo ny/toronto ont region, i'll be playing with foreversharp&vivid (chris massey, david castiglione, steve swallow), accompanying poet robert creeley on sat 5th sept 8pm: hallwalls gallery 2495 main st, buffalo, ny tel 716-835-7362. ifya show, say hello! best, dt From ???@??? Sat Sep 05 13:17:31 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id MAA26319; Sat, 5 Sep 1998 12:10:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1998 12:10:57 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Reply-To: From: "Javier Miranda V." To: Subject: RE: Looping at bumbershoot Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1998 08:59:15 -0700 Message-ID: <000001bdd8e6$21978de0$a6cbefd1@electra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <35F0DF3E.BE85D0FB@earthlink.net> Resent-Message-ID: <"VdOb93.0.5J5.I_Lyr"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1554 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Where's Bumbershoot dude? | -----Original Message----- | From: Bill Moyer [mailto:vargo2muse@earthlink.net] | Sent: Friday 04 September 1998 11:51 PM | To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com | Subject: Looping at bumbershoot | | | Well, I'm coming out of the loopin' closet. If any of you folks are at | Bumbershoot this weekend, try to come by the Bagley Wright Theater at | 1:45 Sunday afternoon. I'll be accompaniing an energetic young dancer | fron S.F., doing a piece of choreography by Laura Whitman-Curry. EDP, | Digitech time machine, ESI 32 sampler, and a shopping cart will be my | tools of choice. Come say hello, I'm eager for feedback....verbal that | is...Knock, knock, knock. | Bill Moyer | | From ???@??? Sat Sep 05 13:17:32 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id MAA32542; Sat, 5 Sep 1998 12:26:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1998 12:26:23 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Reply-To: From: "Javier Miranda V." To: Subject: RE: Looping at bumbershoot Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1998 09:16:42 -0700 Message-ID: <000201bdd8e8$91c71e80$a6cbefd1@electra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <35F0DF3E.BE85D0FB@earthlink.net> Resent-Message-ID: <"yJ4yN2.0.lv6.mEMyr"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1555 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Where's Bumbershoot dude? | -----Original Message----- | From: Bill Moyer [mailto:vargo2muse@earthlink.net] | Sent: Friday 04 September 1998 11:51 PM | To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com | Subject: Looping at bumbershoot | | | Well, I'm coming out of the loopin' closet. If any of you folks are at | Bumbershoot this weekend, try to come by the Bagley Wright Theater at | 1:45 Sunday afternoon. I'll be accompaniing an energetic young dancer | fron S.F., doing a piece of choreography by Laura Whitman-Curry. EDP, | Digitech time machine, ESI 32 sampler, and a shopping cart will be my | tools of choice. Come say hello, I'm eager for feedback....verbal that | is...Knock, knock, knock. | Bill Moyer | | From ???@??? Sat Sep 05 13:17:35 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id MAA07824; Sat, 5 Sep 1998 12:46:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1998 12:46:21 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <35F169A3.6AA87D08@bellsouth.net> Date: Sat, 05 Sep 1998 12:41:07 -0400 From: Jeff Duke X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gnominus@earthling.net CC: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Looping at bumbershoot References: <000001bdd8e6$21978de0$a6cbefd1@electra> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"p0sLl2.0.I71._ZMyr"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1556 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Its at ---- http://www.liveconcerts.com/ jd Javier Miranda V. wrote: > Where's Bumbershoot dude? > > | -----Original Message----- > | From: Bill Moyer [mailto:vargo2muse@earthlink.net] > | Sent: Friday 04 September 1998 11:51 PM > | To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > | Subject: Looping at bumbershoot > | > | > | Well, I'm coming out of the loopin' closet. If any of you folks are at > | Bumbershoot this weekend, try to come by the Bagley Wright Theater at > | 1:45 Sunday afternoon. I'll be accompaniing an energetic young dancer > | fron S.F., doing a piece of choreography by Laura Whitman-Curry. EDP, > | Digitech time machine, ESI 32 sampler, and a shopping cart will be my > | tools of choice. Come say hello, I'm eager for feedback....verbal that > | is...Knock, knock, knock. > | Bill Moyer > | > | From ???@??? Sat Sep 05 13:17:36 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id MAA10445; Sat, 5 Sep 1998 12:52:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1998 12:52:48 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <35F16A72.D9F761CC@bellsouth.net> Date: Sat, 05 Sep 1998 12:44:34 -0400 From: Jeff Duke X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: buffalo performance References: <40cdbc11.35f125d0@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"lw7sp3.0.bT1.DdMyr"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1557 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com dt, when you coming to atlanta? please come here jeff Texture444@aol.com wrote: > hey, loopers: > lurky dt, here. > > for anybodies in the buffalo ny/toronto ont region, > i'll be playing with > foreversharp&vivid (chris massey, david castiglione, steve swallow), > accompanying poet robert creeley on > > sat 5th sept 8pm: > hallwalls gallery > 2495 main st, buffalo, ny tel 716-835-7362. > > ifya show, say hello! > > best, > dt From ???@??? Sat Sep 05 13:17:40 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id NAA25691; Sat, 5 Sep 1998 13:30:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1998 13:30:52 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <01BDD8B6.9AAE3EC0.lahatch@dnai.com> From: Laurie Hatch To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: Modulations Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1998 10:17:32 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"ZiGUX3.0.0S5.vCNyr"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1558 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com hey looperz- Just saw a stunning feature length documentary last night by Iara Lee about the electronic music underground, titled "Modulations". It's been out for a while making the film festival and preview circuit, but was just released into theatres yesterday. *Don't miss this one!* Inspired by early Italian pioneer Luigi Russolo (his 1913 manifesto, "The Art of Noises" states "We must break out of this limited circle of sounds and conquer the infinite variety of noise-sounds."), the evolution of electronic music is explored via interviews and sounds of Stockhausen, Cage, Moog, Theremin, Teo Maceo (Mile's producer), and others. Lee continues through disco (Giorgio Moroder, Donna Summers producer), house, techno, hip-hop, jungle and beyond. It's a who's who of electronica/techno music and turntable culture, including interviews with Carl Cox, Bill Laswell, Mixmaster Morris, Danny Tenaglia, DJ Spooky, Goldie, Moby, Prodigy, Squarepusher, Photek, Holger Czukay, Tetsu Inoue, Juan Atkins, Meat Beat Manifesto, Invisbl Skratch Piklz and more. The film explores the world-wide rave scene, with footage, for instance, from the typhoon-soaked Rainbow 2000 rave on top of Japan's Mt. Fuji, Future Sound of London, and a spectacular crowd in Moscow's Red Square. Lee also outlines the cultural and sociological evolutionary path of various microgenres - acid house, trip hop, drum n bass, ambient, and so on. Visual imagery is equally intense - a captivating collage of eye candy images gleaned from hundreds of hours of film shot all over the world. If I remember correctly, Modulations soundtrack is (or will be?) available on Sire records. Check it out: Caipirinha Films: http://www.modulations.com/Film/filmcontent.html Or go straight to the Modulations link: http://www.modulations.com/Film/modulations/modcontents.html The "Treatment" link is a very interesting evolutionary history of electronica from the film's perspective. "Screenings" lists city release locations and dates; "Musician Bios" offers brief notes on many of the featured artists. Great site overall. Caipirinha Productions released a film in 1996 called Synthetic Pleasures, and a collection of music entitled "Synthetic Pleasures Volume Two". http://www.electronicmusic.com/features/showcase/caipirinha.html Has anyone else seen this yet? I'm curious to hear other impressions... laurie From ???@??? Sat Sep 05 13:17:45 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id OAA09503; Sat, 5 Sep 1998 14:12:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1998 14:12:43 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: ENAT21213@aol.com Message-ID: <63dcf1d1.35f17c32@aol.com> Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1998 14:00:18 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: hello jeff Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Resent-Message-ID: <"7jawC1.0.4B1.TnNyr"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1559 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com it's been a while since we've talked. how have you been? my band electric bird noise (cinematic loop and layered instrumental rock) will be doing a couple shows in atlanta in the next month. we will play club 513 on sep. 26th and dottie's on sat. oct. 10th. if interested i could send you a sample tape of our upcoming cd release which should be on the streets by dec. 1st. or i could send you a file with snippets of a couple songs? please let me know? brian mckenzie From ???@??? Sun Sep 06 14:27:23 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id QAA10761; Sat, 5 Sep 1998 16:57:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1998 16:57:06 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19980905203515.20788.rocketmail@web1.rocketmail.com> Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1998 13:35:15 -0700 (PDT) From: "Rev. Doubt-Goat" Subject: Re: my jamman is acting broken To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"AaS7J.0.xi1.TDQyr"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1560 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com 93 ---"Dain R. Luscombe" wrote: and now when syncing it to midi the loops shut off after a > while and the delay mode just flicks between 0 for loop and 1 for delay. Ship it back to Lexicon for repair. The same thing happened to mine, and replacing the pots did nothing. Good luck! 93 Rev. Doubt-Goat === The Homepages of the Doubt-Goat The Darsan Trio Sekhet Maat Oasis, O.T.O. Lion & Serpent http://www.easystreet.com/~twilliam _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From ???@??? Sun Sep 06 14:27:30 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id TAA05422; Sat, 5 Sep 1998 19:26:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1998 19:26:58 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Collins" To: Subject: Re: hello jeff Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1998 19:18:02 -0400 Message-ID: <01bdd923$6db4f360$501cbfa8@0QHC6SIA> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"rKPlC.0.db.5SSyr"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1562 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com sure i'd love to hear a tape. my address is.. Jeff Collins 79 7th Avenue Pataskala, OH 43062 Can't wait to hear it. Jeff -----Original Message----- From: ENAT21213@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Saturday, September 05, 1998 2:12 PM Subject: hello jeff >it's been a while since we've talked. how have you been? >my band electric bird noise (cinematic loop and layered instrumental rock) >will be doing a couple shows in atlanta in the next month. we will play club >513 on sep. 26th and dottie's on sat. oct. 10th. if interested i could send >you a sample tape of our upcoming cd release which should be on the streets by >dec. 1st. or i could send you a file with snippets of a couple songs? >please let me know? >brian mckenzie > > From ???@??? Sun Sep 06 14:27:28 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id TAA30125; Sat, 5 Sep 1998 19:07:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1998 19:07:30 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: dmgraph@mail.earthlink.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <01BDD8B6.9AAE3EC0.lahatch@dnai.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1998 19:00:41 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: David Myers Subject: Re: Modulations Resent-Message-ID: <"bKNJs2.0.Ae6.r9Syr"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1561 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Anybody else see this? The reviews have been good, and have considered taking it in-but the previous film (from this director, I believe), "Synthetic Pleasures", was a true embarrassment, some of the most empty godawful crap I've ever endured on film.... >Just saw a stunning feature length documentary last night by Iara Lee >about the >electronic music underground, titled "Modulations". It's been out for a >while >making the film festival and preview circuit, but was just released into >theatres yesterday. > >*Don't miss this one!* > >Inspired by early Italian pioneer Luigi Russolo (his 1913 manifesto, "The Art >of Noises" states "We must break out of this limited circle of sounds and >conquer the infinite variety of noise-sounds."), the evolution of electronic >music is explored via interviews and sounds of Stockhausen, Cage, Moog, >Theremin, Teo Maceo (Mile's producer), and others. Lee continues through >disco >(Giorgio Moroder, Donna Summers producer), house, techno, hip-hop, jungle and >beyond. It's a who's who of electronica/techno music and turntable culture, >including interviews with Carl Cox, Bill Laswell, Mixmaster Morris, Danny >Tenaglia, DJ Spooky, Goldie, Moby, Prodigy, Squarepusher, Photek, Holger >Czukay, Tetsu Inoue, Juan Atkins, Meat Beat Manifesto, Invisbl Skratch Piklz >and more. The film explores the world-wide rave scene, with footage, for >instance, from the typhoon-soaked Rainbow 2000 rave on top of Japan's Mt. >Fuji, >Future Sound of London, and a spectacular crowd in Moscow's Red Square. Lee >also outlines the cultural and sociological evolutionary path of various >microgenres - acid house, trip hop, drum n bass, ambient, and so on. > >Visual imagery is equally intense - a captivating collage of eye candy images >gleaned from hundreds of hours of film shot all over the world. > >If I remember correctly, Modulations soundtrack is (or will be?) available on >Sire records. > >Check it out: >Caipirinha Films: >http://www.modulations.com/Film/filmcontent.html > >Or go straight to the Modulations link: >http://www.modulations.com/Film/modulations/modcontents.html >The "Treatment" link is a very interesting evolutionary history of >electronica >from the film's perspective. "Screenings" lists city release locations and >dates; "Musician Bios" offers brief notes on many of the featured artists. > Great site overall. > >Caipirinha Productions released a film in 1996 called Synthetic Pleasures, >and >a collection of music entitled "Synthetic Pleasures Volume Two". >http://www.electronicmusic.com/features/showcase/caipirinha.html > >Has anyone else seen this yet? I'm curious to hear other impressions... > >laurie From ???@??? Sun Sep 06 14:27:37 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id WAA17965; Sat, 5 Sep 1998 22:34:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1998 22:34:26 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <01BDD902.968B1060.lahatch@dnai.com> From: Laurie Hatch To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: Re: Modulations Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1998 19:21:51 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"3M5fN.0.TY3.gAVyr"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1563 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From: David Myers [SMTP:dmgraph@earthlink.net] >Sent: Saturday, September 05, 1998 5:01 PM >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Subject: Re: Modulations > >Anybody else see this? The reviews have been good, and have considered >taking it in-but the previous film (from this director, I believe), >"Synthetic Pleasures", was a true embarrassment, some of the most empty >godawful crap I've ever endured on film.... Guess ya didn't care for that one much, huh David? %^) I didn't see it, but for what it's worth, a couple of the comparative reviews I've come across do describe S.P. less charitably than Modulations. As in "too scattered", and "without a clear focus" (Metro, San Jose). Sounds like that reviewer wasn't quite as disgusted as you were! Even if Lee's fundamental style and vision simply aren't one's piece of cake, I would still recommend Modulations if for no other reason than to catch talking head interviews with some of the pioneering greats - Stockhausen, Moog, and Macero come immediately to mind. For instance, Macero describes the tape slice n' splice he did with some of Miles' stuff (i.e. Live Evil) which I found quite interesting. Those are just a few of many segments in which musicians, composers, and inventors on the cutting edge of their craft, both past and present, discuss/demonstrate a gamut of topics: their approach, style, techniques, philosophy, influences. Hey, there's even a little bit of gear talk! -- albeit not much... (Not to mention a few mid-rave shots of knobs getting ~~twisted~~, you reading this, Lambrecht? %^) A linear, fully comprehensive, meaty history and analysis of the electronic music scene this is not, nor is it intended to be. It's an art film, one might say reflective of the culture which fuels its subject. However, I do believe that one could separate substance from aesthetic (or perceived lack thereof) and still come away with a meaningful experience. laurie http://www.modulations.com/Film/modulations/modcontents.html From ???@??? Sun Sep 06 14:27:48 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id AAA09778; Sun, 6 Sep 1998 00:53:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1998 00:53:37 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Collins" To: Subject: Re: Modulations Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1998 00:43:38 -0400 Message-ID: <01bdd950$ea5fcd40$221cbfa8@0QHC6SIA> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"lqD8T1.0.Yc1.MDXyr"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1564 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I've been checking out some of the posts about this film and if it had not been for Laurie, i would have paid it no attention at all. She caught my eye with the mention of Stockhausen, and i had to check the site out. I just wish i lived around one of the few places that it is being played. Well there's Cleveland...but i don't feel like driving two hours to see an hour and thirty minute film. Does anyone know if perhaps it may come out on video for the rest of us? Keep experimenting! Jeff Collins collinsclan@sprintmail.com -----Original Message----- From: Laurie Hatch To: 'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com' Date: Saturday, September 05, 1998 10:34 PM Subject: Re: Modulations >From: David Myers [SMTP:dmgraph@earthlink.net] >>Sent: Saturday, September 05, 1998 5:01 PM >>To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >>Subject: Re: Modulations >> >>Anybody else see this? The reviews have been good, and have considered >>taking it in-but the previous film (from this director, I believe), >>"Synthetic Pleasures", was a true embarrassment, some of the most empty >>godawful crap I've ever endured on film.... > >Guess ya didn't care for that one much, huh David? %^) I didn't see it, but >for what it's worth, a couple of the comparative reviews I've come across do >describe S.P. less charitably than Modulations. As in "too scattered", and >"without a clear focus" (Metro, San Jose). Sounds like that reviewer wasn't >quite as disgusted as you were! > >Even if Lee's fundamental style and vision simply aren't one's piece of cake, I >would still recommend Modulations if for no other reason than to catch talking >head interviews with some of the pioneering greats - Stockhausen, Moog, and >Macero come immediately to mind. For instance, Macero describes the tape slice >n' splice he did with some of Miles' stuff (i.e. Live Evil) which I found quite >interesting. Those are just a few of many segments in which musicians, >composers, and inventors on the cutting edge of their craft, both past and >present, discuss/demonstrate a gamut of topics: their approach, style, >techniques, philosophy, influences. Hey, there's even a little bit of gear >talk! -- albeit not much... (Not to mention a few mid-rave shots of knobs >getting ~~twisted~~, you reading this, Lambrecht? %^) > >A linear, fully comprehensive, meaty history and analysis of the electronic >music scene this is not, nor is it intended to be. It's an art film, one might >say reflective of the culture which fuels its subject. However, I do believe >that one could separate substance from aesthetic (or perceived lack thereof) >and still come away with a meaningful experience. > >laurie > >http://www.modulations.com/Film/modulations/modcontents.html > > From ???@??? Sun Sep 06 14:28:19 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id JAA22592; Sun, 6 Sep 1998 09:01:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1998 09:01:06 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1998 07:21:47 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: patrick@his.com (Patrick Smith) Subject: Re: Modulations Resent-Message-ID: <"37F2q1.0.Dy4.ROeyr"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1565 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com As far as "Modulations" I've only been reading good things. I rented "synthetic Pleasures" A year ago and would not recommend it to anyone. Patrick Now Available: FingerPaint Primary Colors: BLUE A guitar-synth looping duo of dark illbience and dreamy ambience. Shockwave audio featuring our newest release Primary Colors:Blue www.fingerpaint.net From ???@??? Sun Sep 06 14:28:17 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id JAA22460; Sun, 6 Sep 1998 09:00:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1998 09:00:46 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1998 07:23:01 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: patrick@his.com (Patrick Smith) Subject: Fringe Details..... Resent-Message-ID: <"4-z3T.0.935.ZPeyr"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1566 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >This is what publicity I got out of making a tape from those of you who sent >me samples. Thanks! The first two and "Name" are not in the IMP! series but >the rest of them are. For more info on this years Fringe Festival go to : >www.Citypaper.net It is the cover story and you will find complete listings >of stuff. >David Forlano > > > >Tones On Tail > > When in doubt, improvise. > > by Neil Gladstone > Trying to explain what an improvised band sounds like is harder than >dancing about architecture. It's like boogying around a building that hasn't >been built yet. Several of the groups performing at the Fringe are >improvisational outfits, so what they will sound like is impossible to say. >However, most have a basic framework they adhere to. Here are just a few >impressionistic moves. > > Unlimited Motion ..This new local trip-hop supergroup features members of >Stinking Lizaveta and EDO. Though the band is providing a live soundtrack for >Eric Schoefer's dance piece Strung, their music is bound to be fairly riveting >in and of itself. Brimming with accomplished instrumentalists, Unlimited >Motion combines guitar synth, bass and didjeridoo with tapes of Serbian >Orthodox liturgy and early '70s new age music to create a very distinctive >brew. Sept. 9-19 at The Smoke Building > > Mecca Bodega.. A meditative, ruminating groove band that forges funk from >hammer dulcimer, African drums, handmade percussion, guitars and gas tanks. >Schoolly D and Soul Coughing's M. Doughty appeared on their recent CD Subway >Stories (Sire). Whether either will show up for this gig is anyone's guess. >Sept. 10 at the Tin Angel > > Finger Paint.. Imagine a rambling cruise across the Martian countryside and >you might get an inkling of the soundscape created by two guys (Steev Geest >and Patrick Smith) fiddling with guitars and loops. Sept. 11 at Third Street >Gallery > > Spin 17.. Ed Chang and Motoko Shimizu create a simmering stew of electronic >whispers and whistles that sounds like a chorus of sirens in the distance. >Ghostly howls play off gurgling analog synths. It's a spine-tingling funhouse. >Sept. 13 at Highwire Gallery > > Plankton.. Imagine a carnival band warming up. The frenetic blurts of Todd >Margasak's trumpet ricochet off Dave Forlano's hyper guitar riffs and David >Sherick's splattering percussion. It's a manic, slapdash affair, propelled by >waves of nervous energy. Sept. 17 at Upstairs at Nick's > > Name.. One of the more thought-provoking hip-hop groups on the Philadelphia >scene, Name is made up of three emcees, backed by guitar, acoustic bass, >electric bass and drum machines. Sept.16 at the Tin Angel > > Music in the Key of Zero ..John Berndt's rancorous saxophone races through >notes, accented by squealing crescendos that sound like distorted tones >propelled through a whale's blowhole. Catherine Pancake's ramshackle >percussion cuts through the squirreling wails with rattles and >taps. Sept. 17 at Upstairs at Nick's > > Straylight ..This trio broadcasts an epic soundscape of scrapes,rattles and >buzzes served up by Jason Finkelman on percussion, Charles Cohen on >electronics and Geoff Gersh on guitar. Sept.19 at Third Street Gallery > > Unsound.. Given that this trio is a combination of electronics,Chapman >Stick and violin, it's hard to say which instrument is responsible for what >sound. High-pitched electronic blurts buzz while bowed notes creep and >screech, occasionally deviating into melancholy moments. Sept. 9 at Highwire >Gallery > > Now Available: FingerPaint Primary Colors: BLUE A guitar-synth looping duo of dark illbience and dreamy ambience. Shockwave audio featuring our newest release Primary Colors:Blue www.fingerpaint.net From ???@??? Sun Sep 06 14:29:01 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id NAA09556; Sun, 6 Sep 1998 13:46:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1998 13:46:04 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199809061740.NAA07889@shell.monmouth.com> Reply-To: From: "andre" To: Subject: Modulations 'n Miles Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1998 13:35:35 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"E1roW3.0.Qm1.3aiyr"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1568 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Laurie said:>...I would still recommend Modulations if for no other reason than to catch talking > head interviews with some of the pioneering greats - Stockhausen, Moog, and > Macero come immediately to mind. For instance, Macero describes the tape slice > n' splice he did with some of Miles' stuff (i.e. Live Evil) which I found quite > interesting. this brings to mind a recommendation.... right now i'm spinning disc 2 of the new Henry Kaiser/Wadada Leo Smith Miles Davis tribute -called "Yo Miles" - it's amazing - 2 discs both seconds short of 80 (EIGHTY!!!) minutes.... you get yr $$ worth here! They do a take on the early/mid 70s miles - the "on the corner-pangaea-agharta-jack johnson-live evil" type years.... with Nels Cline, Chris Muir, Elliott Sharp, Bob Bralove, John Medeski, Micheal Manring, the Rova Sax Quartete.. it's just amazing - if you like that Miles period check out Henry's site for details - liner notes, cover art etc>>>> http://php.indiana.edu/~mpiper/HKMain.html (thanks to Jeff Collins for hipping me to this wonderful site!!!) andre' From ???@??? Sun Sep 06 17:48:45 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id UAA17933; Sun, 6 Sep 1998 20:30:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1998 20:30:50 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <001901bdd9f5$98433c40$e5404382@hovard> From: "Thomas W¿hni" To: Subject: Re: Roland S-550 sampler? Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 02:22:27 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"hcBs11.0.4f3.RVoyr"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1569 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I used to use on of these. Great sound, Roland interface (this might be good or bad depending on what you think of Roland interface. Only one problem as far as I can tell: This unit really wants to be used with a VGA video monitor for waveform editing, etc. The video driver card brings up the noise floor by about 20dB. ------------------------------------------------------------- K , so there is a video card in the sampler? Is the noise level audible to the point where it becomes a problem? Or will it dissappear when the samples are played in context of a song? By "Roland interface" , do you mean that it`s hard or impractical to use? Earlier I was told that the S-550 took some time to prepare for samling. Maybe this is something that you can get past when you get used to the interface? Anyways , Thanks for the help. Yours , Thomas From ???@??? Sun Sep 06 21:47:14 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id XAA14462; Sun, 6 Sep 1998 23:01:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1998 23:01:59 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1998 19:54:09 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: updated loopography Resent-Message-ID: <"DveId3.0.Hw2.tiqyr"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1571 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Michael Peters just updated the Loopography page on the web site, check it out: http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loopography/Records.html Also, a reminder! Things like the loopography grow because of input from all of you! If you want to do a review of a recording you think is important and significant for this whole loop business, please do! Send it to Michael Peters , and he'll include it with the next update. I know damn well more things have happened in the past two decades than we've got on there! Get busy! kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Sun Sep 06 21:47:13 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id XAA13598; Sun, 6 Sep 1998 23:00:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1998 23:00:00 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <35F34DC6.16E9@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 06 Sep 1998 20:06:47 -0700 From: Andre LaFosse Reply-To: altruist@earthlink.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-MACOS8 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Modulations References: <01BDD8B6.9AAE3EC0.lahatch@dnai.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"haGNb1.0.1h2.agqyr"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1570 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com The thing that struck me the most about the film was the way in which the construction of the film itself mirrors the aesthetics behind the music it's documenting. It literally applies a non-linerar, cut and paste approach to its subject matter; a segment on detroit techno comes after one on jungle, both of which come before disco, and all of which come before footage of Stockhausen and Cage. Favorite bits for me included: -- footage of Tom "Squarepusher" Jenkinson, both in a profoundly messy apartment and hopping around on stage playing bass to an absurdly fast backing barrage -- a similar shot of a portly, present-day Holger Czukay dancing around behind his rig of gear at a recent live performance -- the segment on Detroit Techno, which seems to strike more at the essence of the music's origins than most of the other bits with its footage of the city and commentary from the pioneers of the style -- actually getting to see turntablists like Q-bert and Mixmaster Mike do what they do -- Scanner, talking about his experimental work with extracting found sounds out of the radio waves of a given area, making a sort of "sonic map" of whatever area he happens to be in -- the unintentionally Spinal Tap-esque bits of Gary Cobain (of Future Sound of London) copping a Max Headroom vibe via Internet relay from his studio, muttering about making himself a sacrificial lamb in the name of his ISDN experiments with broadcasted "live" performance -- some British journalist who makes even more Spinal Tap-esque commentary, including an hilariously dopey assesment of gabba techno -- a very stoned Roni Size The film functions overall less as an in-depth analysis of the different subgenres of electronic music, and more as a sort of cultural analysis of technology's impact on life (and concurrently, music) over the last few decades. Definitely worth checking out. --Andre From ???@??? Mon Sep 07 23:52:21 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id EAA07540; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 04:14:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 04:14:45 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Sender: camao@camsg001.camb.scee.sony.co.uk Message-ID: <35F392D8.231DE689@scee.sony.co.uk> Date: Mon, 07 Sep 1998 09:01:28 +0100 From: Os X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (X11; I; IRIX 6.3 IP32) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Thomas Whni" CC: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, nyfac2@nyfac.com Subject: Re: Anyine using the Roland S-550 sampler? References: <004001bdd5f1$bdace060$4d0a4382@hovard> Content-Type: text/plain X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by camsg001.camb.scee.sony.co.uk id JAA28190 X-Eagle-Notice: Sender not 8-bit clean in 'To: \"Thomas W\370hni\" ' Resent-Message-ID: <"FScMd.0.I01.9Evyr"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1572 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thomas W¿hni wrote: > > Hi gang , I have just discovered that the Roland S-550 sampler is within my price-range , secondhand. Can anyone offer some pro`s and con`s for this machine. I use the S-330, which is the same with half the memory. I love it! You can use a mouse & display - in fact, don't buy one unless you can get hold of these also. Sounds great, and the filters are really useful. (filter and amplitude both have 8 stage envelopes - which of course are graphically editable) All my work to date (eg. see realaudio at http://www.collective.co.uk/darkroom/ ) uses this sampler. cheers, os. > > I`m not exactly shure I`ve got the name right but it`s the one that can(and should) be used with a screen and mouse......that`s all I know about it. > > My main concerns are the filter section and the effects , if there are any........ > > So , if anyone here have some info on this I`d love to hear it. if it`s too "off-topic" maybe an off-list reply would be best? > > Yours , Thomas > > Feel free to check out my web-site: > http://www.geocities.com/Eureka/Promenade/1628/ > -- Os os@scee.sony.co.uk os@collective.co.uk http://www.collective.co.uk/ From ???@??? Mon Sep 07 23:52:24 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id FAA28530; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 05:11:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 05:11:48 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <35F3AF9A.45CA49CD@vete.ucl.ac.be> Date: Mon, 07 Sep 1998 11:04:11 +0100 From: Malhomme Reply-To: malhomme@vete.ucl.ac.be X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [fr] (Macintosh; I; PPC) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: back from the deads... References: <199809060705.DAA27825@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"q2ZUs2.0.5q5.F2wyr"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1573 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Dear people.. I've been away from looping delight for a few month, hence not exactly update. One a our few hot topics these times were: Will the echoplex will be "buyable" in europe? Is trhe Dod 8 sec (FX 98?) eventually out? I guess this is now old stuff, so I'd better get a private answer... Thanx everyone in advance, and happy to be back again... OLivier Malhomme From ???@??? Mon Sep 07 23:52:54 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id LAA14418; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 11:52:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 11:52:20 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <000801bdda75$d5e93060$38454382@hovard> From: "Thomas W¿hni" To: Subject: Re: Anyine using the Roland S-550 sampler? Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 17:40:22 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"nGZ_H1.0.Na2.0y_yr"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1574 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com hey Os , thanks for the reply. I`ve been over at your website and listened to the song called "vladimir". I loved it!!! Great vibe and mood throughout the track. Great vocals and guitar-playing. Since RealAudio is rather limited in terms of soundquality my impression of the the sound is , um....limited. But I think it sounded cool. I`m just wondering how much ofthe track was done on the sampler. I assume the kick-drum was a sample , but there was also a filtered , percussive "bleep" wacking away in the background. Was that also the S-550? If so , did you control the filters via some sequenser? In other words , can you send SySex data to the s-550? One more questuion; the monitor and mouse , do they have to be some specific model or brand in order to work , or can I use ANY computer type monitor? Just get one from some dusty old 286 PC ??? Hope I`m not too much of a pain in the arse , and I`m really greatful for the help you`ve given me so far. Yours, Thomas W PS. Good luck with your music , I love it!! From ???@??? Mon Sep 07 23:53:17 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id SAA09708; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 18:31:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 18:31:58 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Makoto333@aol.com Message-ID: <3d954af5.35f45d65@aol.com> Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 18:25:41 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: a test Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 167 Resent-Message-ID: <"-CctI3.0.fo1.Ps5zr"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1575 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sorry folks. This is just a test. From ???@??? Tue Sep 08 12:23:50 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id PAA32154; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 15:04:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 15:04:57 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Reply-To: From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: Subject: Newsletter Glitches? Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 11:33:25 -0700 Message-ID: <000001bddb58$56a375c0$4623dacf@stepheng> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <001901bdd9f5$98433c40$e5404382@hovard> Resent-Message-ID: <"hNP6h2.0.Ut6._fNzr"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1576 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I'm trying to determine if it's just me or the messages' attributes that causes this, but it's not consistent enough to trace from this end - therefore my query. Sometimes, when I reply to messages from LD, it assumes the email address for the list - but sometimes it assumes the email address of the original sender. In this regard, it WORKED the way it's supposed to this time, but sometimes it doesn't. So is it just me? Stephen GoodmanÊ -Ê It's... The Loop Of The Week (Kurosawa)! EarthLight StudiosÊ -Ê http://www.earthlight.net/Studios From ???@??? Tue Sep 08 12:33:49 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id PAA02218; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 15:20:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 15:20:52 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980908120558.00b90c60@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: sean_@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 08 Sep 1998 12:05:58 -0700 To: From: Sean Echevarria Subject: Re: Newsletter Glitches? In-Reply-To: <000001bddb58$56a375c0$4623dacf@stepheng> References: <001901bdd9f5$98433c40$e5404382@hovard> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"TWuu7.0.X-7.J2Ozr"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1577 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com It looks like the list software isn't changing the Reply-To header. So if a message has a reply-to header, it gets used (with the poster's address) when hitting reply. Otherwise a reply gets addressed to the sender (the list). Just a guess. sean At 11:33 AM 9/8/98 -0700, you wrote: >I'm trying to determine if it's just me or the messages' attributes that >causes this, but it's not consistent enough to trace from this end - >therefore my query. Sometimes, when I reply to messages from LD, it assumes >the email address for the list - but sometimes it assumes the email address >of the original sender. In this regard, it WORKED the way it's supposed to >this time, but sometimes it doesn't. From ???@??? Tue Sep 08 17:32:19 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id QAA09764; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 16:02:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 16:02:01 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <2148EC143F29D1118BE000805FC13CD05DF88B@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Newsletter Glitches? Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 14:41:49 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Resent-Message-ID: <"XDcI8.0.CW1.wXOzr"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1578 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com sometimes i hit "reply all" to get the loopers-delight address . . . > -----Original Message----- > From: Sean Echevarria [SMTP:sean_@mindspring.com] > Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 1998 12:06 > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Subject: Re: Newsletter Glitches? > > It looks like the list software isn't changing the Reply-To header. So if > a message has a reply-to header, it gets used (with the poster's address) > when hitting reply. Otherwise a reply gets addressed to the sender (the > list). > > Just a guess. > > sean > > > At 11:33 AM 9/8/98 -0700, you wrote: > >I'm trying to determine if it's just me or the messages' attributes that > >causes this, but it's not consistent enough to trace from this end - > >therefore my query. Sometimes, when I reply to messages from LD, it > assumes > >the email address for the list - but sometimes it assumes the email > address > >of the original sender. In this regard, it WORKED the way it's supposed > to > >this time, but sometimes it doesn't. From ???@??? Tue Sep 08 17:32:34 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id SAA02244; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 18:40:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 18:40:31 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 18:25:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Nick Ring X-Sender: nick@plato To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: Slo-Mo Encore In-Reply-To: <01BDD902.968B1060.lahatch@dnai.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"okY082.0.Y2.YyQzr"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1579 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Maybe some of you can help me shed a light. Yesterday a friend gave me a Slo-Mo Encore as a birthday present. Seems he picked it up at a tag sale. it claims to be a "digital slow motion processor" made by Ridge Runner (or so the logo suggests). I've played with it for a little while today and it's pretty cool. I was wondering if any of you had any knowledge of or experience with these. Basically, it seems to be a riff-a-matic type of thing, designed for learning songs by playing along or to transcribe them. It can digitally slow down the speed without altering the pitch, but in the process gives off some serious digital distortion (which I like). I've already recorded some drum loops through this thing to particularly interesting effect. It records 8-bit sound at 15.6khz. It's base memory is 1meg, expandable to 8. In base form, as I have, it gives just over a minute of sampling time. Expanded fully provides 503 seconds! You can then change the speed w/o changing pitch by 1/2 through 1/6 which does some very bizarre things to the loop. I haven't yet tried it w/ actual pre-recorded songs yet. You can set it to alter pitch, however, and it has a dial to do so. It's mono in/out by rca jacks and as a 1/4 instrument plug w/ volume so you can play along (but not record on the instro jack). You can't use it as a delay, but even before recording the signal through it already sounds digitally distorted to a degree, though this increases noticeably after recording. I can work with its limitations, but one thing I haven't figured yet is there's always a glitch at the end of a loop. I've tried editing by blocks, but it's always there. I believe you can edit the "frames" it uses as blocks down to a smaller size and thereby make the space smaller (as far as I can guess), but as to elimiate it all together? -nick From ???@??? Wed Sep 09 09:26:27 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id WAA02504; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 22:30:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 22:30:00 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: klaw@iglou.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <01BDD902.968B1060.lahatch@dnai.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Slo-Mo Encore& acoustic loop hallucinations Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 22:10:52 -0400 Resent-Message-ID: <"k5-ZM3.0.Dy7.SEUzr"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1580 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > Hey I probably cant provide any new illumination on the subject other than I got one of these used from Wurltzer online about 2 yrs ago for $25!.My immediate thoughts upon purchasing this were " Great now I can learn those awesome U.Srinivas licks"and maybe adapt it for stage looping. It isnt set up to do that(realtime anyway)as I soon discovered. I think the glitches youre hearing are the nature of the low rez beast.The dig distortion is pretty loud &clear in most cases nothing seems to help.I cant recall if It had loud pops at loop points .I didnt have it long either It became the victim of a midwinter flood disaster in my home.The thing sells for $699.00 new& has amazing sample time & sounds pretty wicked for some applications.Good luck & enjoy it. BTW I did some amazing acoustic looping improvisation last night with my friend Joee Conroy on cello, pipa & other exotic wacky instruments.I played my National steel, autoharp, walkie talkies etc.Joee has played& recorded with some great mprovisors : Henry Kaiser, Davey Willams, Chadborne, Greg Goodman John Oswald even Frith he brings a great deal of expierience & skill to the table.Our first acoustic looping expieriement was quite sucessfull.I ran a mike directly into the EDP and out to dat using the headphone out into a n amp as a monitor.The looping in the room was almost inaudible for the most part & we didnt get into any out of control feedback(next time well monitor thru phones) .The results sound pretty bizaare in places. We both commented on playback it was hard to tell it was looped yet the mix was all wet.There were some strange & unpredictable transistions and the whole thing had a great "remixed" electronic feel to it particullarly when using multiply& reverse functions.Im totaly excited about this combination of instruments & the looping method it has a really odd beautiful quality.I know this has been discussed before but anyone have any similar expierences tips etc.Keenan Lawler . Louisville Maybe some of you can help me shed a light. > > Yesterday a friend gave me a Slo-Mo Encore as a birthday present. >Seems he picked it up at a tag sale. it claims to be a "digital slow >motion processor" made by Ridge Runner (or so the logo suggests). > > I've played with it for a little while today and it's pretty cool. >I was wondering if any of you had any knowledge of or experience with >these. > > Basically, it seems to be a riff-a-matic type of thing, designed >for learning songs by playing along or to transcribe them. It can >digitally slow down the speed without altering the pitch, but in the >process gives off some serious digital distortion (which I like). I've >already recorded some drum loops through this thing to particularly >interesting effect. It records 8-bit sound at 15.6khz. > > It's base memory is 1meg, expandable to 8. In base form, as I >have, it gives just over a minute of sampling time. Expanded fully >provides 503 seconds! > > You can then change the speed w/o changing pitch by 1/2 through >1/6 which does some very bizarre things to the loop. I haven't yet tried >it w/ actual pre-recorded songs yet. You can set it to alter pitch, >however, and it has a dial to do so. > > It's mono in/out by rca jacks and as a 1/4 instrument plug w/ >volume so you can play along (but not record on the instro jack). > > You can't use it as a delay, but even before recording the signal >through it already sounds digitally distorted to a degree, though this >increases noticeably after recording. > > I can work with its limitations, but one thing I haven't figured >yet is there's always a glitch at the end of a loop. I've tried editing >by blocks, but it's always there. I believe you can edit the "frames" it >uses as blocks down to a smaller size and thereby make the space smaller >(as far as I can guess), but as to elimiate it all together? > > -nick From ???@??? Wed Sep 09 09:27:08 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id HAA19845; Wed, 9 Sep 1998 07:46:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 07:46:33 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <004501bddbe6$0158cdc0$0d01a8c0@Remote> From: "Steve Lauder" To: Subject: Working with a style Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 12:35:21 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0042_01BDDBEE.4F88B2A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"R22vG1.0.Rg4.kXczr"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1581 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com
Has anyone on this list heard of Hallucinogen (the band, not the drug)?  I had their first album a while back, and recently heard The Lone Derranger, their latest album.
 
They do some fantastically intricate stuff, and I was wondering how much of it would have been loop/FX based, and how much of it would have been MIDI based?
 
Another thing; I have cubase and a MIDI keyboard, and every time I try to do some drum work, no matter how hard I try, it always sounds basic and repetitive (the best way I can describe it is an empty beat).  Does anyone have tips on how to write good lively beats (especially jungle) with just Cubase and a MIDI keyboard?
 
The reason I ask these questions is:
a) I like the way Hallucinogen use variations on a phrase to make it sound distinctly different every time it's repeated and would like to include that non-linearity in my loop work.
 
b)  The thing that really f***s me off with trance music is the fact that in many cases, the beat doesn't change for the duration of an album.  If I could use those trippy sounds with decent beats, I think I will have found loop music that REALLY does it for me!
 
Cheers
 
Steve Lauder
 
 
 
 
From ???@??? Wed Sep 09 09:27:31 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id KAA05649; Wed, 9 Sep 1998 10:30:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 10:30:07 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: aden@pop.ne.mediaone.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <004501bddbe6$0158cdc0$0d01a8c0@Remote> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 10:17:26 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Aden Evens Subject: Re: Working with a style Resent-Message-ID: <"3H-nW1.0.hw.Otezr"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1582 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Steve, One trick to livening up your MIDI drum loops is to superimpose them on themselves, but nudge the copy by a half beat, or a quarter beat, eighth triplet, etc. Also try taking only a few beats of the original loop, looping that a few a times, and superimposing it on the original loop, possibly nudged by a bit. Interesting polyrhythmic or busy sounds will result. This is very easy to do in Cubase. Let me know how it comes out. Aden ### ## ### Aden ### ## ### From ???@??? Wed Sep 09 09:27:42 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id LAA11761; Wed, 9 Sep 1998 11:12:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 11:12:01 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <2.2.32.19980909150430.006e8aa8@mail.dada.it> X-Sender: cavallo@mail.dada.it X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 09 Sep 1998 17:04:30 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Leonardo Cavallo Subject: Re: Working with a style Resent-Message-ID: <"CQeve2.0.Yf2.ibfzr"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1583 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 12.35 09/09/98 +0100, you wrote: >Has anyone on this list heard of Hallucinogen (the band, not the drug)? I had their first album a while back, and recently heard The Lone Derranger, their latest album. > >They do some fantastically intricate stuff, and I was wondering how much of it would have been loop/FX based, and how much of it would have been MIDI based? > >Another thing; I have cubase and a MIDI keyboard, and every time I try to do some drum work, no matter how hard I try, it always sounds basic and repetitive (the best way I can describe it is an empty beat). Does anyone have tips on how to write good lively beats (especially jungle) with just Cubase and a MIDI keyboard? Hi Steve making a living programming beats (and writing as journalist, too) I have a little knowledge about this topic. You wrote: >how to write good lively beats (especially jungle) with just Cubase and a MIDI keyboard? Do you mean to use Cubase only as a sequencer for the keyb internal sounds? Well, I think it depends on the sounds available on th keyboard... Jungle is not only about bpm speed but sounds too. It's not casual that d&b relies heavily on breakbeats (whole sampled drum loops or part of them) and not only on single drum sounds. I think the best approach is to combine the 2 methods, for that "lively beats" you're looking for. Try to work directly with audio material (.wav with PC, .aiff with Mac) on Cubase VST or using a sampler with an old Cubase, MIDI only, version. To program jungle beats with just some GM MIDI sounds and Cubase (not VST, no audio capability) I think it's pretty hard. let me know ciao leo From ???@??? Wed Sep 09 10:38:12 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id MAA26990; Wed, 9 Sep 1998 12:54:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 12:54:22 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <000d01bddc0e$af2f2fc0$0d01a8c0@Remote> From: "Steve Lauder" To: Subject: RE: Working with a style Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 17:26:35 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000A_01BDDC16.FED057E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"ODQv72.0.td5.qogzr"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1584 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com
Thanks Aden and Leonardo for the advice.
 
Yeah, unfortunately I'm using the keyboard to control standard sounds on the AWE 64 card - they are definitely very weak.
 
Could you suggest anywhere I could download some decent single hits for jungle, house, trance, or even ambient production?  Thinking about it, I would be half way towards winning the war with some decent samples.
 
Thanks,
 
Steve Lauder
From ???@??? Wed Sep 09 11:12:00 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id OAA04882; Wed, 9 Sep 1998 14:02:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 14:02:19 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <2.2.32.19980909174845.007160e0@mail.dada.it> X-Sender: cavallo@mail.dada.it X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 09 Sep 1998 19:48:45 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Leonardo Cavallo Subject: RE: Working with a style Resent-Message-ID: <"NikDz.0.8g.Y_hzr"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1585 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 17.26 09/09/98 +0100, you wrote: >Thanks Aden and Leonardo for the advice. > >Yeah, unfortunately I'm using the keyboard to control standard sounds on the AWE 64 card - they are definitely very weak. > >Could you suggest anywhere I could download some decent single hits for jungle, house, trance, or even ambient production? Thinking about it, I would be half way towards winning the war with some decent samples. > >Thanks, > >Steve Lauder Hi Steve these are some urls with loops and sounds. You could convert these waves in soundfonts (with Vienna Editor) to use with AWE64. It's like having a little sampler inside your card. Think about it. http://24.2.120.137/beats.html http://www.shopalberta.com/qode/minbrk.htm http://business.virgin.net/jack.dunning/links.htm http://www.jara.demon.co.uk/bass/ http://hem2.passagen.se/rikarde/sladd.html http://music.takeaway.net/cgi-bin/agility.cgi?_act1=showpage&_fmt1=mtsamples /overview.html&category=sample http://www.lloydm.demon.co.uk/samples.htm http://www.fogelberg.com/samples.html http://hem2.passagen.se/lej97/kalava/ http://www.fortunecity.com/tinpan/morrissey/680/index.html http://business.virgin.net/jack.dunning/magnacom.htm http://www.hyperreal.org/music/machines/samples.html http://www.synthzone.com/sampling.htm http://www.futurenet.com/samplenet/ http://www.pslnet.demon.co.uk/text_6.htm http://www.cdrom.com/pub/demos/music/samples/ http://soundamerica.com./ http://www.loknet.demon.co.uk/leech/breakbeats.html http://www.acc.umu.se/~megaodi/sylinks.html http://spec.ch.man.ac.uk/~ashley/drums.html http://members.aol.com/DynoWavs/index2.html http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Museum/4312/ http://spec.ch.man.ac.uk/~ashley/synths.html I've used these sites in the past. I've to say that the sound quality of wav files you find on the net varies from poor to good. Never optimum. BTW this is a good starting point, I think ;) When I'll have some time I'm going to publish on my site all these and other links, plus some original grooves in mp3 format from a sample CD I'm releasing. ciao leo From ???@??? Wed Sep 09 22:32:18 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id SAA14522; Wed, 9 Sep 1998 18:33:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 18:33:55 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 18:18:58 -0400 (EDT) From: Nick Ring X-Sender: nick@plato To: "Looper's delight" Subject: negativland news (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"aDuhp.0.B22.0ylzr"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1588 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I apologize if this has already been covered here, but it seemed appropriate in light of recent discussions. -nick ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 07:32:28 EDT From: HAPSLOVE@aol.com To: droneon@listserv.no-fi.com Subject: negativland news Maybe this will get some discussion going during the current slack period. Gary Koehl --------------------------------------------------------------------- FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE NEGATIVLAND STOPPED DEAD (see also http://www.negativland.com/riaa/index.html) Contacts: mailto:mark@negativland.com (Mark Hosler, Negativland) mailto:hrosen@riaa.com (Hilary Rosen, President and CEO, Recording Industry Assocation of America) mailto:ray.thomas@rtmark.com (Ray Thomas, RTMARK) The career of recording artists Negativland may be over. Negativland's CD plant has told the group that it will no longer manufacture their CDs, and Negativland has so far been unable to find another factory willing to do so. The reason, according to Mark Hosler of Negativland, is the RIAA's recent guidelines to compact disk pressing plants, which inform the plants that they risk huge lawsuits if they manufacture CDs with even one uncleared sample. Negativland uses uncleared samples extensively, and consider this to be Fair Use under the 1976 U.S. Copyright Act. Still, the group has had to establish their own label because other labels consider Negativland music too legally risky to distribute. With this new offensive by the RIAA, CD factories feel they cannot afford the risk either, which effectively silences Negativland. Many bands besides Negativland--including Beck, Beastie Boys, Public Enemy, Nine Inch Nails, etc.--routinely use uncleared samples, but only Negativland, Illegal Art (which with RTMARK's help produced Deconstructing Beck), and a few others do so openly, and as an essential part of their esthetic. According to Ray Thomas of RTMARK, whose Intellectual Property mutual fund (http://rtmark.com/projectlist.html) is managed by Negativland, "The industry saw how much bad publicity Geffen and BMG suffered for trying--unsuccessfully--to clamp down on Deconstructing Beck. They realized public opinion would not let them get away with such high-handed tactics, so now they're cleverly targeting production, which has a much lower public profile than distribution, but is even more important. The RIAA is putting CD manufacturers in the position of policing what is and is not acceptable art, and is thus very effectively practicing censorship." The problem is a fundamental misunderstanding of copyright law, according to Thomas. "The music industry says copyright law protects artists. But copyright law as applied to samples serves only to protect corporate money. As the recording industry forces this issue to a head, we hope that the facts will finally become clear, and that the groundwork will be laid to change copyright law so that it benefits artists and consumers, not corporations and capital." Negativland's full press release, including e-mail addresses of many RIAA employees, as well as a response by Hilary Rosen, President and CEO of the RIAA, can be found at http://www.negativland.com/riaa/index.html. RTMARK was established in 1991 to further anti-corporate activism, in some cases by channelling funds from donors to workers for sabotage of corporate products. Recent and upcoming acts of RTMARK-aided subversion are documented on RTMARK's web site, http://rtmark.com/. From ???@??? Wed Sep 09 22:32:33 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id TAA18178; Wed, 9 Sep 1998 19:56:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 19:56:07 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <35F71453.2309@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 09 Sep 1998 16:50:43 -0700 From: Andre LaFosse Reply-To: altruist@earthlink.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-MACOS8 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Subject: He (kind of) knows us Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"HHHp43.0.WS2.d4nzr"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1589 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thought you might get a kick out of this posting from Fripp's online diary at his label website. (Wonder where he got the "synonomous" bit from...?) ---------------------- Joey from Lakewood asks about budget looping epuipment: I suggest you go to ET and then on to the loopers' website. My equipment is printed on the sleeves of recent CDs: it is horribly expensive, I'm afraid. There are acceptable budget systems available, but my own budget system (the Electro-Harmonix "Fripp In A Box") is prehistoric. Loopers' Synonomous will steer you towards modern alternatives. ---------------------- Nice to know he's at least aware of the site, I guess... From ???@??? Wed Sep 09 22:32:43 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id UAA08916; Wed, 9 Sep 1998 20:51:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 20:51:39 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 20:40:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Nick Ring X-Sender: nick@plato To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: RIAA listens to Negativland, changes the rules In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.19980902195458.00fa3388@pop.chromatic.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"adp2U1.0.L61.o0ozr"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1590 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Just to note as a response to my forward that the issue has been covered well here, as well as other places online and off. I'm in the process of "trimming" a couple of thousand posts from my inbox. While I'm fascinated by much I sometimes make expediant cuts. Carry on, nick From ???@??? Thu Sep 10 08:38:27 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id JAA16881; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 09:26:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 09:26:40 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Hybridco@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 07:35:40 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Working with a style Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 83 Resent-Message-ID: <"1XJP_1.0.w_.Kcxzr"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1591 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com although i am not familiar with cubebase, i am on a quest to create lively beats that are interesting and are not the same ol' hip hop beat. a few things that i have been working with have been useing two or more beats at the same time. the drum sounds may be distinctly different or you may choose to use the same sounds. also by having each beat in a different time signiature, you can loop just two beats and they will constantly be linking up at different points, so its an ever evolving beat, yet you just loop two beats. one example would be to have a simple 3/4 drum beat, and a simple 5/4 beat. i have found these to work well together. another idea is to have your simple bass/snare beat as a foundation and fill the spaces with quick, frantic type fills on timbales (or any drum) like 16th note triplets and so on... basically by thinking of rhythm not as one drum beat, but multiple beats intertwining, the possibilities of interesting and moving beats are endless. experiment with it and see what happens. good luck- brad t. From ???@??? Thu Sep 10 23:08:14 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id PAA18627; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 15:16:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 15:16:12 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <35F7DE41.E5AEE2C5@nyfac.com> Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 15:12:17 +0100 From: "trevor bajus," Reply-To: nyfac2@nyfac.com Organization: New York Film and Animation Inc / 3DV X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Jamman pedals References: <01404C456ECAD111BF8100805F0D7F2401416A@mc1.themilitarychannel.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"t5we5.0.9Y3.UD2-r"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1596 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Matt Frederick wrote: > As we all know, the JamMan footswitches suck. Has anyone > > >found/designed alternative footswitches that work better. > > > >Thanks, > > >matt I have a Ground Control controller. Works great. trev From ???@??? Thu Sep 10 10:56:20 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id NAA05088; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 13:19:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 13:19:41 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: klaw@iglou.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.19980909174845.007160e0@mail.dada.it> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: Working with a style Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 12:13:08 -0400 Resent-Message-ID: <"sX1_A3.0.wD3.2g_zr"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1592 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com On the subject of bringing dead sequences to life: expierment. Drum n bass is- was expiermental music & I would encourage you to SAMPLE YOUR OWN bREAKS. Sorry but I cant express the need for individuality in this genre enough.Try different sequencers(if possible)Use theIPS in Cubase.It will no doubt spark some wild ideas.Ive developed a ridiculos method of realtime snare rolls using a midi arpeggiator> dont underestiamate what one of these can do for your sequences.Ive recvorded patterns went back & quantized or edited wherever needed. If drum n bass is going truly evolve theres got to be some paradim shifts. Lose the funky drummer loop!Or Apache etc. Sample your own drum loops from a drummer or old analog tapes you will build a unique catalog of original sounds this way. BTW down load M or Xx from U&I labs, Check these out . Very different sequencers. Take care K LAW, LOuisville. >At 17.26 09/09/98 +0100, you wrote: >>Thanks Aden and Leonardo for the advice. >> >>Yeah, unfortunately I'm using the keyboard to control standard sounds on >the AWE 64 card - they are definitely very weak. >> >>Could you suggest anywhere I could download some decent single hits for >jungle, house, trance, or even ambient production? Thinking about it, I >would be half way towards winning the war with some decent samples. >> >>Thanks, >> >>Steve Lauder > >Hi Steve > >these are some urls with loops and sounds. You could convert these waves in >soundfonts (with Vienna Editor) to use with AWE64. It's like having a little >sampler inside your card. Think about it. > >http://24.2.120.137/beats.html >http://www.shopalberta.com/qode/minbrk.htm >http://business.virgin.net/jack.dunning/links.htm >http://www.jara.demon.co.uk/bass/ >http://hem2.passagen.se/rikarde/sladd.html >http://music.takeaway.net/cgi-bin/agility.cgi?_act1=showpage&_fmt1=mtsamples >/overview.html&category=sample >http://www.lloydm.demon.co.uk/samples.htm >http://www.fogelberg.com/samples.html >http://hem2.passagen.se/lej97/kalava/ >http://www.fortunecity.com/tinpan/morrissey/680/index.html >http://business.virgin.net/jack.dunning/magnacom.htm >http://www.hyperreal.org/music/machines/samples.html >http://www.synthzone.com/sampling.htm >http://www.futurenet.com/samplenet/ >http://www.pslnet.demon.co.uk/text_6.htm >http://www.cdrom.com/pub/demos/music/samples/ >http://soundamerica.com./ >http://www.loknet.demon.co.uk/leech/breakbeats.html >http://www.acc.umu.se/~megaodi/sylinks.html >http://spec.ch.man.ac.uk/~ashley/drums.html >http://members.aol.com/DynoWavs/index2.html >http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Museum/4312/ >http://spec.ch.man.ac.uk/~ashley/synths.html > >I've used these sites in the past. I've to say that the sound quality of wav >files you find on the net varies from poor to good. Never optimum. BTW this >is a good starting point, I think ;) > >When I'll have some time I'm going to publish on my site all these and other >links, plus some original grooves in mp3 format from a sample CD I'm >releasing. > >ciao >leo > > From ???@??? Thu Sep 10 10:56:19 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id NAA02451; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 13:12:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 13:12:42 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199809101655.MAA25037@shell.monmouth.com> Reply-To: From: "andre" To: Subject: Live!! Jfk's Lsd Ufo and other Loopers Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 12:50:17 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"OyCd92.0.u-6.YH0-r"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1593 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com hey all.. just a reminder for those in the NJ/PA area..... this saturday, sep 12 - FOR FREE... all day starting at noon (?) or earlier - the Annual Trenton Avant Garde Festival !!! lotsa fine crazy music, poetry, and other strange art forms. Including a piece performed totally on a dead 1982 Honda Accord.... and - at least two LD members - 1. my duo JFK's LSD UFO - looped percussion, synths, guitar, noise & samples. !! 2. Paul Mimlitsch's project !! interested?? check out the site: http://209.153.94.140/slackave/TAG/ more info on JFK's, incl. soundbytes http://www.monmouth.com/~andre From ???@??? Thu Sep 10 10:56:25 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id NAA10688; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 13:35:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 13:35:19 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <001d01bddcde$1f10ff60$a4414382@hovard> From: "Thomas W¿hni" To: Subject: Re: Working with a style Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 19:11:58 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001A_01BDDCEE.E1F997C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"JKVxI3.0.9m.nZ0-r"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1594 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com
HI ,fellow cubase-user here. Lots of good ideas already offered  and the only thing I can add is
about quantization. If have found that a few things help:
-try moving the individual hits separately. For instance , try moving the snare and kick to it`s "quantized" place and leave the rest as it is. It might be enough if the hi-hats(or whatever is left)
have a cool "swing".
- check out the match quantize option if you have ,say , a swingin`  bassline going.
-play the different drumsounds on separate tracks. If you use kick , snare and ride try spreading them on three separate tracks(all with channel 10 if you use GM modules).
This can help you keep your beats from getting too chaotic , and make you more aware of what`s goin on. The average drummer has only  four limbs and can only make 4 sounds simultaniously. Keeping that in mind has helped me a lot.
- learn to play drums , even on a basic level. This has helped me TREMENDOUSLY. I can`t hold a groove together for long periods of time , but I have gotten a feel for how an average drummer  can think and what can be done. Knowing where the arms and legs go in a groove is very helpful , even if I can`t perform it in real-time.
 
 
Anyways , hope this helps.
 
 
Yours , Thomas
 
 
Feel free to check out my web-site:
http://www.geocities.com/Eureka/Promenade/1628/
 
 
From ???@??? Thu Sep 10 23:08:06 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id OAA21024; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 14:02:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 14:02:52 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <01404C456ECAD111BF8100805F0D7F2401416A@mc1.themilitarychannel.com> From: Matt Frederick To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: Jamman pedals Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 13:49:46 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"DWAqD3.0.p_3.W51-r"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1595 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > >hey there, > > > >I have subscribed to the mailing list for some > >time, but I don't read it as religiously as possible, so pehaps the > >question has already been answered. > > > >Here goes: As we all know, the JamMan footswitches suck. Has anyone > >found/designed alternative footswitches that work better. > > >Thanks, > >matt > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html > http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > > From ???@??? Thu Sep 10 23:08:32 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id QAA10155; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 16:10:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 16:10:08 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Dpcoffin@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 15:56:16 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Jamman pedals Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 2.7 for Mac sub 3 Resent-Message-ID: <"SaBUL3.0.f11.sx2-r"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1597 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >As we all know, the JamMan footswitches suck. Has anyone > >found/designed alternative footswitches that work better. > > >Thanks, If these are the plastic Lexicon two-fer's that also came with the Vortex, just get a tip-ring plug that breaks out into a tip mono and ring mono jack, and two generic momentary pedals, and you're there. dpc From ???@??? Thu Sep 10 23:09:03 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id RAA16243; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 17:31:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 17:31:16 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <35F8409A.B9FD57E8@bellsouth.net> Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 17:11:54 -0400 From: Jeff Duke X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Working with a style References: <001d01bddcde$1f10ff60$a4414382@hovard> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------8259234B12CC29DA2520F61A" Resent-Message-ID: <"htdFP3.0.7x1.p24-r"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1598 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi folks,

I don't use cubase but haveing play with drum machines for a good while I can relate to the problem. One way that I attempt to relieve the boring beat is using delays on 1 or more of the voices. I can get some amazing poly-rhythms going just by hitting a pad or  using a drum machine or both. If you like you can check out this jam. The drum part is an arpegio snare sound on my GR-30 fed into a delay set at about 490 milliseconds then I tapped a bit of  it into a jamman, as it would rotate through the loop it would go in and out of sync with me playing on top of it,I layered a bit of that, then put it on Hold and bashed my instrument along with it. Lotta fun!
Jeff

http://members.xoom.com/echo17/sounds/pcfb.ram

Thomas Wøhni wrote:

 HI ,fellow cubase-user here. Lots of good ideas already offered  and the only thing I can add isabout quantization. If have found that a few things help:-try moving the individual hits separately. For instance , try moving the snare and kick to it`s "quantized" place and leave the rest as it is. It might be enough if the hi-hats(or whatever is left)have a cool "swing".- check out the match quantize option if you have ,say , a swingin`  bassline going.-play the different drumsounds on separate tracks. If you use kick , snare and ride try spreading them on three separate tracks(all with channel 10 if you use GM modules).This can help you keep your beats from getting too chaotic , and make you more aware of what`s goin on. The average drummer has only  four limbs and can only make 4 sounds simultaniously. Keeping that in mind has helped me a lot.- learn to play drums , even on a basic level. This has helped me TREMENDOUSLY. I can`t hold a groove together for long periods of time , but I have gotten a feel for how an average drummer  can think and what can be done. Knowing where the arms and legs go in a groove is very helpful , even if I can`t perform it in real-time.  Anyways , hope this helps.  Yours , Thomas  Feel free to check out my web-site:
http://www.geocities.com/Eureka/Promenade/1628/
 
 
  From ???@??? Thu Sep 10 23:09:55 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id VAA30926; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 21:53:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 21:53:26 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 18:50:53 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel) Subject: Re: Jamman pedals Resent-Message-ID: <"L2DPn1.0.ii6.V28-r"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1599 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > >Here goes: As we all know, the JamMan footswitches suck. Has anyone >> >found/designed alternative footswitches that work better. > >> >Thanks, >> >matt I use a double sustain pedal footswitch for the Tap/Bypass pedal, it has 2 piano-style pedals, it seems to work more responsively than the standard lexicon pedals. I believe this originally came from a Roland digital piano, but I'm not certain. ________________________________________________________ Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org : www.peak.org/~improv/ "...there will come a day when you won't have to use gasoline. You'd simply take a cassette and put it in your car, let it run. You'd have to have the proper type of music. Like you take two sticks, put 'em together, make fire. You take some notes and rub 'em together - dum, dum, dum, dum - fire, cosmic fire." -Sun Ra ________________________________________________________ From ???@??? Fri Sep 11 09:20:36 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id LAA11111; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 11:02:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 11:02:10 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 09:15:04 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: patrick@his.com (Patrick Smith) Subject: Fringe Looping Resent-Message-ID: <"Ha2qz2.0.V72.PWJ-r"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1601 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Just a reminder that some of this lists looping artisits: Paul Mimlitsch with Jody Panetta & FingerPaint will be performing tonight, Friday, in the Philadelphia Fringe Festival. At the Third Street Gallery located at 58 N. 2nd St. Admission is $5. Check out the Philadelphia City Paper for more setails on the entire exciting festival or visit: www.Citypaper.net Here's what they had to say about FingerPaint and Spin 17: Finger Paint.. Imagine a rambling cruise across the Martian countryside and you might get an inkling of the soundscape created by two guys (Steev Geest and Patrick Smith) fiddling with guitars and loops. Sept. 11 at Third Street Gallery Spin 17.. Ed Chang and Motoko Shimizu create a simmering stew of electronic whispers and whistles that sounds like a chorus of sirens in the distance. Ghostly howls play off gurgling analog synths. It's a spine-tingling funhouse. Sept. 13 at Highwire Gallery patrick Now Available: FingerPaint Primary Colors: BLUE A guitar-synth looping duo of dark illbience and dreamy ambience. Shockwave audio featuring our newest release Primary Colors:Blue www.fingerpaint.net From ???@??? Fri Sep 11 09:20:30 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id LAA10737; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 11:00:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 11:00:10 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 09:18:10 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: patrick@his.com (Patrick Smith) Subject: RE: Working with a style Resent-Message-ID: <"vwt9f1.0.RE2.IZJ-r"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1602 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com On 9/11/98 David K. said: >To create non-generic beats, a few conceptsspring to mind: >5) Try running the beat through a few distortion pedals -- this can sound >amazing! This can be great fun. Also try running it through a filter. I have a Sherman Filterbank and you'd be amazed what this can do to my ALesis Sr-16 drum sounds. Patrick Now Available: FingerPaint Primary Colors: BLUE A guitar-synth looping duo of dark illbience and dreamy ambience. Shockwave audio featuring our newest release Primary Colors:Blue www.fingerpaint.net From ???@??? Fri Sep 11 09:19:59 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id IAA31101; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 08:50:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 08:50:07 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: From: David Kirkdorffer To: Hybridco@aol.com, Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: Working with a style Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 08:39:21 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"howyK3.0.Om6._fH-r"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1600 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com To create non-generic beats, a few conceptsspring to mind: 1) Assign effects individually to different elements of an overall beat (i.e., delay on snare; flange on kick; long reverbs on hi-hats; and ringer on toms). 2) Build a beat, then take out xx% of the elements that make it up and see what's left. 3) Use ridiculous tempos (i.e., really really really slow -- but then use delays to create repeats of each elements to fill in spaces). 4) Use different lenghted delays on each element of the beat to create poly-time madness. 5) Try running the beat through a few distortion pedals -- this can sound amazing! 6) Try taking a beat and running it backwards. Naturally, mix and matching these or other ideas will provide more variations. Have fun. Break rules. David UNDO From ???@??? Sat Sep 12 01:35:48 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id AAA17873; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 00:36:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 00:36:37 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Douglas Lawrence" To: Subject: Totally Frustrated With My EDP !!!!! Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 00:31:46 -0400 Message-ID: <000101bdde06$40e93fc0$87500218@cc1006472-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"hgYtl.0.2G4.HaV-r"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1603 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I have had my "new" EDP since March of this year and it has not worked right since the day I got it. The original problem was sporadic locking of the EDP or jumping into Record mode when I hit Overdub or Undo. Originally I thought it was just my lack of experience using the EDP or just being clumsy with the footpedal, so I gave it a couple of weeks. The I noticed the unit would not "boot" properly with a blank screen or just hang after running a loop for a while. I suspected the new 16 Mb of RAM I had installed, maybe a bad SIMM, so I returned the one brand I purchased and got another set of chips from another manufacturer. Still had the same problem after installing the replacement chips and with the original chips shipped with the EDP. So now I take it to an "authorized" service center in NYC ("Triple S"). They had the EDP for three or four weeks and were unable to fix it. The unit was then shipped by Triple S to Oberheim, where they repaired Triple S's changes and also made some other modifications, like adding the new voltage regulator and some other mod's. BTW, Mike Ayers was quite helpful in organizing this effort. When I get the EDP back after a couple of weeks, I now notice that when I hit Undo, the EDP kicks into Record mode and I still get the weird "boot" blank screen problem. This is after the unit was completely checked out by Oberheim! Now I find out that Gibson is in the midst or a major reorganization and laying off people. It looks like Tobias and Steinberger will not exist for awhile (possibly forever) and Oberheim is temporarily shutdown. I spoke with Mike Ayers today and they won't be able to accept the unit for an unspecified amount of time for repairs. I am totally frustrated and I would sell this damn EDP in a second if I could. (Anybody make a bid??) It has been a totally useless, unreliable piece of equipment to me. I watch in amazement at all the posts in this group from people who are somehow using EDP's successfully. Does the "Lemon Law" apply here? Are there any "authorized" service centers that someone on the list has had a good experience with or that seem to have a good tech that can work on an EDP? I think I would rather ship it somewhere and not have to look at it with the hope of it getting fixed rather than see it sitting in my living room, jesting at me of all that it promises it can do. The footpedal now acts as a memorial in my closet. Thanks for putting up with my rant ... Doug. From ???@??? Sat Sep 12 01:35:52 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id AAA19622; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 00:54:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 00:54:33 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19980912045054.6194.rocketmail@send101.yahoomail.com> Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 21:50:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Randy Jones Subject: Re: Totally Frustrated With My EDP !!!!! To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"r6bds.0.4g4.TsV-r"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1604 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com $300 :-) RJ ---Douglas Lawrence wrote: > > > I have had my "new" EDP since March of this year and it has not worked right > since the day I got it. The original problem was sporadic locking of the EDP > or jumping into Record mode when I hit Overdub or Undo. Originally I thought > it was just my lack of experience using the EDP or just being clumsy with > the footpedal, so I gave it a couple of weeks. The I noticed the unit would > not "boot" properly with a blank screen or just hang after running a loop > for a while. > > I suspected the new 16 Mb of RAM I had installed, maybe a bad SIMM, so I > returned the one brand I purchased and got another set of chips from another > manufacturer. Still had the same problem after installing the replacement > chips and with the original chips shipped with the EDP. > > So now I take it to an "authorized" service center in NYC ("Triple S"). They > had the EDP for three or four weeks and were unable to fix it. The unit was > then shipped by Triple S to Oberheim, where they repaired Triple S's changes > and also made some other modifications, like adding the new voltage > regulator and some other mod's. BTW, Mike Ayers was quite helpful in > organizing this effort. > > When I get the EDP back after a couple of weeks, I now notice that when I > hit Undo, the EDP kicks into Record mode and I still get the weird "boot" > blank screen problem. This is after the unit was completely checked out by > Oberheim! > > Now I find out that Gibson is in the midst or a major reorganization and > laying off people. It looks like Tobias and Steinberger will not exist for > awhile (possibly forever) and Oberheim is temporarily shutdown. I spoke with > Mike Ayers today and they won't be able to accept the unit for an > unspecified amount of time for repairs. > > I am totally frustrated and I would sell this damn EDP in a second if I > could. (Anybody make a bid??) It has been a totally useless, unreliable > piece of equipment to me. I watch in amazement at all the posts in this > group from people who are somehow using EDP's successfully. Does the "Lemon > Law" apply here? > > Are there any "authorized" service centers that someone on the list has had > a good experience with or that seem to have a good tech that can work on an > EDP? > > I think I would rather ship it somewhere and not have to look at it with the > hope of it getting fixed rather than see it sitting in my living room, > jesting at me of all that it promises it can do. The footpedal now acts as a > memorial in my closet. > > Thanks for putting up with my rant ... > > Doug. > > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From ???@??? Sat Sep 12 16:37:04 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id JAA18736; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 09:27:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 09:27:19 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Marzzz@aol.com Message-ID: <918d355b.35fa75a0@aol.com> Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 09:22:40 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Totally Frustrated With My EDP !!!!! Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 189 Resent-Message-ID: <"DfTKz1.0.KB4.2Nd-r"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1605 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 9/11/98 11:37:23 PM, douglas-lawrence@home.com writes: <> Just a side note, why would Gibson be putting out full page ads in Guitar Player for Steinberger (Headless, Get Over It!) if they are pulling the plug? Marshall From ???@??? Sat Sep 12 16:37:05 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id KAA02509; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 10:08:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 10:08:21 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Douglas Lawrence" To: Subject: Gibson Status Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 10:01:45 -0400 Message-ID: <000001bdde55$e0e93c10$87500218@cc1006472-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <918d355b.35fa75a0@aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"GDwr72.0.eu7.cwd-r"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1606 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >>Just a side note, why would Gibson be putting out full page ads in Guitar >>Player for Steinberger (Headless, Get Over It!) if they are pulling the plug? The status of what's happening at Gibson is true. They have shutdown the Steinberger and Tobias production lines. According to them, they will re-open the lines in Memphis *late* 1999, but nothing has been officially announced. I doubt if you would be able to order a new instrument at this point, but they might sell you existing stock if they have it. This thread has been verified in some of the other newsgroups that I subscribe to and people who have talked to Gibson employees. When I spoke with Mike Ayers yesterday, he claimed that Oberheim will still exist as a product brand, but people are getting laid off and they may be relocating. I think Pat Murphy was laid off. Right now, they are not authorizing RA's or repairs to equipment. It seems Gibson has purchased Opcode and Opcode has just relocated to Mountain View, CA. Maybe that's where Oberheim will end up (???) A typical corporate tactic is to run the business as usual until firm "corporate" decisions have been made regardless of the cost. That keeps the employees productive and the product name alive until official announcements are made. >From The Bottom Line: Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 17:40:48 EDT From: Trevhole@aol.com Subject: new tobias info. After hearing all the Tobias Steinberger rumors I decided to call my buddy Dwayne Propes (Gibson/Tobias/Steinberger Artist Relataions and bassist for the now defunkt country group "Little Texas"). I was told that Dwayne was let go with the Tobias shut down. Yes there is a plant supposed to open in late 1999 in Memphis and Tobias and Steinberger might be a part of it but there don't seem to be any solid plans. They have been advertising more but it isn't to move stock. The guy I spoke with said there isn't much in the way of inventory there. I'm sure the ads were placed months ago and Tobias had an ample setup at Summer NAMM. From ???@??? Sat Sep 12 16:37:10 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id LAA02659; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 11:29:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 11:29:47 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: AURALG@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 11:26:11 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Re: Totally Frustrated With My EDP !!!!! Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 61 Resent-Message-ID: <"Slbfb.0.0G.8Af-r"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1607 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Doug, I'd personally, given the chance, cramm it down Oberhiem's fucking throat ! Call your your Attorney General and put an end to this insanity. Alot of these companies really don't give a shit about our frustrations, and 9 out of 10 times they're the ones who are causing it. I think you've got a case for the "Lemon" law scenario. I used the Attorney Gen back in the 70's when I had a piece of gear go down and a "temporarily" shut down manufacturer. They got me results. I couldn't believe it. This was in NY to boot. Then again......................firmware ? You putting in funky chips ? Doing it in the bathtub ? There are alot of variables once you pop the top....... Best of luck KB From ???@??? Sat Sep 12 16:37:25 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id OAA05906; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 14:16:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 14:16:19 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <002001bdde76$dbe0ec60$197a070c@govinda.cyber-dyne.com> From: "Marc Roche" To: Subject: Re: Totally Frustrated With My EDP !!!!! Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 09:43:13 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"sSAcm2.0.f.sSh-r"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1610 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi Douglas, I want to say that I sympathize with you. I bought my EDP last june and it would never work with the expansion memory (two different sets) that I installed,though it worked fine with the original 50secs of memory. I finally sent it back to Oberheim, they repaired it and got it back promptly to me and now it works perfectly. My only complaint is that they didn't tell me what was wrong with it. I hope everything works out for you. Hang in there!! -----Original Message----- From: Douglas Lawrence To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Friday, September 11, 1998 9:36 PM Subject: Totally Frustrated With My EDP !!!!! > >I have had my "new" EDP since March of this year and it has not worked right >since the day I got it. The original problem was sporadic locking of the EDP >or jumping into Record mode when I hit Overdub or Undo. Originally I thought >it was just my lack of experience using the EDP or just being clumsy with >the footpedal, so I gave it a couple of weeks. The I noticed the unit would >not "boot" properly with a blank screen or just hang after running a loop >for a while. > >I suspected the new 16 Mb of RAM I had installed, maybe a bad SIMM, so I >returned the one brand I purchased and got another set of chips from another >manufacturer. Still had the same problem after installing the replacement >chips and with the original chips shipped with the EDP. > >So now I take it to an "authorized" service center in NYC ("Triple S"). They >had the EDP for three or four weeks and were unable to fix it. The unit was >then shipped by Triple S to Oberheim, where they repaired Triple S's changes >and also made some other modifications, like adding the new voltage >regulator and some other mod's. BTW, Mike Ayers was quite helpful in >organizing this effort. > >When I get the EDP back after a couple of weeks, I now notice that when I >hit Undo, the EDP kicks into Record mode and I still get the weird "boot" >blank screen problem. This is after the unit was completely checked out by >Oberheim! > >Now I find out that Gibson is in the midst or a major reorganization and >laying off people. It looks like Tobias and Steinberger will not exist for >awhile (possibly forever) and Oberheim is temporarily shutdown. I spoke with >Mike Ayers today and they won't be able to accept the unit for an >unspecified amount of time for repairs. > >I am totally frustrated and I would sell this damn EDP in a second if I >could. (Anybody make a bid??) It has been a totally useless, unreliable >piece of equipment to me. I watch in amazement at all the posts in this >group from people who are somehow using EDP's successfully. Does the "Lemon >Law" apply here? > >Are there any "authorized" service centers that someone on the list has had >a good experience with or that seem to have a good tech that can work on an >EDP? > >I think I would rather ship it somewhere and not have to look at it with the >hope of it getting fixed rather than see it sitting in my living room, >jesting at me of all that it promises it can do. The footpedal now acts as a >memorial in my closet. > >Thanks for putting up with my rant ... > >Doug. > From ???@??? Sat Sep 12 16:37:18 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id NAA27347; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 13:49:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 13:49:17 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 13:35:05 -0400 (EDT) From: Adam Levin X-Sender: alevin@ari.ari.net Reply-To: Adam Levin To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Re: Totally Frustrated With My EDP !!!!! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"_AiAb1.0.oL5.v3h-r"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1608 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com On Sat, 12 Sep 1998 AURALG@aol.com wrote: > Doug, > I'd personally, given the chance, cramm it down Oberhiem's fucking throat ! > Call your your Attorney General and put an end to this insanity. > Alot of these companies really don't give a shit about our frustrations, and 9 > out of 10 times they're the ones who are causing it. Not sure what the situation is currently, but back in January when we were recording our album, I was having trouble with my out-of-warranty Echoplex. Pat Murphy was great. He ended up having it repaired free of charge and threw in a ROM upgrade to the latest version of the loop software AT NO COST and got it back to me in time to finish recording the album. So, my experience is that the folks working at Oberheim *DO* "give a shit about our frustrations". Chill out man. In response to Doug's original post. I know it may sound like a simple thing, but does this weirdness occur if you try operating the 'plex without plugging in the foot controller. As I myself have experienced, bad or improperly shielded cables from the controller to the rack can cause the things you have described to randomly occur. -Adam --- "...if one strives at hearing for the sake of constant virtue, out of seeking liberation from cyclic existence, gradually one becomes a Hearer." - Chandrakirti T h e D a r k A e t h e r P r o j e c t http://www.darkaether.net/ From ???@??? Sat Sep 12 16:37:20 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id NAA28155; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 13:51:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 13:51:15 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 13:36:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Adam Levin X-Sender: alevin@ari.ari.net To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Subject: Reviews damnit! Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"u1oU3.0.fR5.m4h-r"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1609 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Come on folks, let's hear the poop on last night's loop show in Philly. -Adam --- "...if one strives at hearing for the sake of constant virtue, out of seeking liberation from cyclic existence, gradually one becomes a Hearer." - Chandrakirti T h e D a r k A e t h e r P r o j e c t http://www.darkaether.net/ From ???@??? Sat Sep 12 16:37:42 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id OAA09445; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 14:24:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 14:24:55 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Douglas Lawrence" To: Subject: RE: Totally Frustrated With My EDP !!!!! Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 14:09:23 -0400 Message-ID: <000001bdde78$7948ae10$87500218@cc1006472-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <"tTncT.0.5g.lYh-r"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1611 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >> does this weirdness occur if you try operating the >> 'plex without plugging in the foot controller. As >> I myself have experienced, bad or improperly shielded >> cables from the controller to the rack can cause the >> things you have described to randomly occur. >> -Adam Whoa ... DB needs to chill a little ... I said I was frustrated, not maniacal. Like I said, I tried two brands of SIMMS, so I'm ruling out bad memory at this point. Whatever work Oberheim did, they fixed part of the problem, but it's still not 100%. It just that after all this, I don't know if I would feel confident to take this EDP on stage with me. RE: Adam's Q, I have the same problem with or without the footpedal. I suspected possible cable shorting or static electricity from the carpet as well. I tried just using the panel and have the same problem. From ???@??? Sat Sep 12 16:37:47 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id PAA10835; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 15:46:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 15:46:12 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Reply-To: From: "Javier Miranda V." To: Subject: RE: Echoplex in Belgium? 2nd try Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 12:33:45 -0700 Message-ID: <000701bdde84$41da0b20$01ccefd1@electra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 In-Reply-To: <01BDDE8D.8E009600@ubnd-98.pop-brussel2.planetinternet.be> Resent-Message-ID: <"qQPK_2.0.SA1.smi-r"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1613 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Dude, just try http://www.8thstreet.com; I'm sure they sell worldwide. They have it. I just bought one from them. | -----Original Message----- | From: Serge Devadder [mailto:serge.devadder@planetinternet.be] | Sent: Saturday 12 September 1998 3:40 PM | To: 'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com' | Subject: Echoplex in Belgium? 2nd try | | | Hello loopers, | | Since I didn t find my mail in the digest, I post it a second | time with some additions: | | After reading about the Echoplex in the Looper's pages, I really | wanted such a thing. But after a few weeks hunting in Belgian | music-shops around Brussels and Antwerp, I have come to believe | the EDP is like the Loch Ness monster: it's picture is on the | web, everybody's talking about it, but does it really exist...??? | No one sells it. | | As soon as I mention the word Oberheim, vendors get this worried | expression on their face. Many complain about Oberheim service | and refuse to list the stuff. Like Claude Lassonde in Montreal, I | was told the story that Oberheim no longer lists the EDP. | Moreover Oberheim seems to have a peculiar idea of customer | service. None of my mails get answered, and the Echoplex-page is | indeed still on the Gibson website. I do not know of many | succesful companies that ignore requests saying "I like your | product! I want it! I need it! Please, please sell it to me!". | Those that do so, end up in Dilbert cartoons. | | In any case I am surprised at how few looping devices are | available. With all those experimental musicians outthere who | worship Fripp, how come you need to kill for a JamMan or EDP? Not | everyone can afford a TC Electronics box, and judging by the | stories I hear, even the smallest shops get 2-3 requests for | looping devices every week. There's a market out there but nobody | seems to want it... | | Since I first tried to post this last week, I've seen that even | in sunny California finding an EDP is not a sinecure. Does any | European looper know of a distributor for the EDP in a city near | Brussels (Paris? Amsterdam? Cologne? London?...). Thanks! | | Serge Devadder | Brussel, Belgium | serge.devadder@planetinternet.be | | From ???@??? Sat Sep 12 21:23:32 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id XAA13997; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 23:56:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 23:56:42 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 22:20:21 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: patrick@his.com (Patrick Smith) Subject: Wayside Has Looper's Music Resent-Message-ID: <"AXC9Q2.0.h23.U6q-r"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1621 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com The New September catalog of Wayside Music, distributor for Cunieform and other fine lables has some releases of interest to the looping community. And unlike us at FNGP they do accept credit cards. FINGERPAINT-Primary Colors: Blue $11.00 Fingerpaint are a electric guitar duo, but they hook their instruments up to so many boxes, toasters & devices that what comes out is mostly unrecognizable as "guitar music", & might be more properly compared to a good Cluster record. I think this is all improvised &, if so, they have spent some time taking out the good parts & collecting it here. THE DARK AETHER PROJECT-Dark Aether Project $12.00 "The D.A.P. music is a blend of progressive, psychedelic, fusion & free-form rock with a heavy improv element." Using Stick/loops, guitar/guitar synth, drums + guest vocals on 3 tracks, the music has influences from the work of Guitarcraft-type bands [Philharmonie, L.O.C.G., Calif. Guitar Trio, etc], but put their own slant on it. Stick player Adam Levin is a big behind-the-scenes supporter of progressive & new music from his work on Baltimore's Orion Concert series as well as the Progressive Rock website. MARKUS REUTER-Taster (Germany) $13.00 Markus is a Warr guitar player who is quite known in "tapping instrument" circles, & may be best known as a member of the Europa String Choir, who have a very nice CD on Discipline. This is a fine release of live looping work, similar in scope to Fripp's "soundscapes" I suppose, but with a totally different sound, due to the instrument involved & Reuter's different style. Wayside has an extensive collection of good hard to find music and are doing a real service to both musicians and listeners. Check out their site at: http://members.aol.com/Cuneiform2/cuneiform.html Patrick Now Available: FingerPaint Primary Colors: BLUE A guitar-synth looping duo of dark illbience and dreamy ambience. Shockwave audio featuring our newest release Primary Colors:Blue www.fingerpaint.net From ???@??? Sat Sep 12 16:37:45 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id OAA21493; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 14:53:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 14:53:22 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <01BDDE8D.8E009600@ubnd-98.pop-brussel2.planetinternet.be> From: Serge Devadder To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: Echoplex in Belgium? 2nd try Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 20:39:56 +-200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"dEHWl.0.Gv3.00i-r"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1612 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hello loopers, Since I didn t find my mail in the digest, I post it a second time with some additions: After reading about the Echoplex in the Looper's pages, I really wanted such a thing. But after a few weeks hunting in Belgian music-shops around Brussels and Antwerp, I have come to believe the EDP is like the Loch Ness monster: it's picture is on the web, everybody's talking about it, but does it really exist...??? No one sells it. As soon as I mention the word Oberheim, vendors get this worried expression on their face. Many complain about Oberheim service and refuse to list the stuff. Like Claude Lassonde in Montreal, I was told the story that Oberheim no longer lists the EDP. Moreover Oberheim seems to have a peculiar idea of customer service. None of my mails get answered, and the Echoplex-page is indeed still on the Gibson website. I do not know of many succesful companies that ignore requests saying "I like your product! I want it! I need it! Please, please sell it to me!". Those that do so, end up in Dilbert cartoons. In any case I am surprised at how few looping devices are available. With all those experimental musicians outthere who worship Fripp, how come you need to kill for a JamMan or EDP? Not everyone can afford a TC Electronics box, and judging by the stories I hear, even the smallest shops get 2-3 requests for looping devices every week. There's a market out there but nobody seems to want it... Since I first tried to post this last week, I've seen that even in sunny California finding an EDP is not a sinecure. Does any European looper know of a distributor for the EDP in a city near Brussels (Paris? Amsterdam? Cologne? London?...). Thanks! Serge Devadder Brussel, Belgium serge.devadder@planetinternet.be From ???@??? Sat Sep 12 16:37:51 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id SAA03819; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 18:10:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 18:10:21 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <001001bdde9a$17f4f020$17f2ffd0@artmusic.gte> From: "future perfect" To: Subject: Next Generation Looper reprise. Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 18:09:59 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3115.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"IpCPC.0.CY.b1l-r"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1614 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com With the shakeups at Gibson, I think it will be quite awhile until we see any upgrades in the EDP. I don't know if this has been covered before, but I was trying out a new volume pedal to control feedback on my EDP today. When a feedback value is changed, wouldn't it be nice to be able to see the numeric value? Like as soon as you changed the feedback amount, the display would quickly show the new value- hell, since Im dreaming, why not a separate feedback amount display? Dave Eichenberger ********************************************************************* 'Future Perfect' - art music - visit our website at: http://home1.gte.net/artmusic/ From ???@??? Sat Sep 12 16:37:52 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id SAA22277; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 18:55:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 18:55:10 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: murff@bellsouth.net Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980912175832.007dc820@bna.bellsouth.net> X-Sender: murff@bna.bellsouth.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 17:58:32 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: Echoplex in Belgium? 2nd try Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"yNLfN3.0.B55.uhl-r"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1615 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com |You also might try any Mars location. They all carry the Echoplex. >Mars is a music store chain here in the US. They have a web site. . They do international sales. They may not be able to order one from Oberheim at this time but I know that they carry them at all their locations (about 20 of them) and they could transfer one from one of their locations to sell to you. >murff > >>| >Dude, just try http://www.8thstreet.com; I'm sure they sell worldwide. >>| They have it. I just bought one from them. >>| > >>| >| -----Original Message----- >>| >| From: Serge Devadder [mailto:serge.devadder@planetinternet.be] >>| >| Sent: Saturday 12 September 1998 3:40 PM >>| >| To: 'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com' >>| >| Subject: Echoplex in Belgium? 2nd try >>| >| >>| >| >>| >| Hello loopers, >>| >| >>| >| Since I didn t find my mail in the digest, I post it a second >>| >| time with some additions: >>| >| >>| >| After reading about the Echoplex in the Looper's pages, I really >>| >| wanted such a thing. But after a few weeks hunting in Belgian >>| >| music-shops around Brussels and Antwerp, I have come to believe >>| >| the EDP is like the Loch Ness monster: it's picture is on the >>| >| web, everybody's talking about it, but does it really exist...??? >>| >| No one sells it. >>| >| >>| >| As soon as I mention the word Oberheim, vendors get this worried >>| >| expression on their face. Many complain about Oberheim service >>| >| and refuse to list the stuff. Like Claude Lassonde in Montreal, I >>| >| was told the story that Oberheim no longer lists the EDP. >>| >| Moreover Oberheim seems to have a peculiar idea of customer >>| >| service. None of my mails get answered, and the Echoplex-page is >>| >| indeed still on the Gibson website. I do not know of many >>| >| succesful companies that ignore requests saying "I like your >>| >| product! I want it! I need it! Please, please sell it to me!". >>| >| Those that do so, end up in Dilbert cartoons. >>| >| >>| >| In any case I am surprised at how few looping devices are >>| >| available. With all those experimental musicians outthere who >>| >| worship Fripp, how come you need to kill for a JamMan or EDP? Not >>| >| everyone can afford a TC Electronics box, and judging by the >>| >| stories I hear, even the smallest shops get 2-3 requests for >>| >| looping devices every week. There's a market out there but nobody >>| >| seems to want it... >>| >| >>| >| Since I first tried to post this last week, I've seen that even >>| >| in sunny California finding an EDP is not a sinecure. Does any >>| >| European looper know of a distributor for the EDP in a city near >>| >| Brussels (Paris? Amsterdam? Cologne? London?...). Thanks! >>| >| >>| >| Serge Devadder >>| >| Brussel, Belgium >>| >| serge.devadder@planetinternet.be >>| >| >>| >| >>| >>| From ???@??? Sat Sep 12 20:04:08 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id WAA32356; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 22:00:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 22:00:34 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <001001bdde9a$17f4f020$17f2ffd0@artmusic.gte> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 16:54:27 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Next Generation Looper reprise. Resent-Message-ID: <"BlquT3.0.gD7.kMo-r"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1618 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 3:09 PM -0700 9/12/98, future perfect wrote: > With the shakeups at Gibson, I think it will be quite awhile until we see >any upgrades in the EDP. since oberheim has nothing to do with echoplex upgrades, I wouldn't be so sure! That's up to the creators here at Aurisis Research.... >I don't know if this has been covered before, but I was trying out a new >volume pedal to control feedback on my EDP today. When a feedback value is >changed, wouldn't it be nice to be able to see the numeric value? Like as >soon as you changed the feedback amount, the display would quickly show the >new value- hmmmm, I seem to notice a few echoplexes around here recently developed exactly that feature..... BTW, gibson goes through these corporate spasms on a regular basis. ...usually accompanied by large amounts of uninformed opinions on the net. Things generally turn out better than they were; best to just chill on the panic attacks and wait-and-see. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Sat Sep 12 18:52:46 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id UAA32482; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 20:40:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 20:40:58 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: siforte@ix.netcom.com Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 19:36:07 -0500 (CDT) X-Sender: siforte@popd.ix.netcom.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Gibson Status Resent-Message-ID: <"uUzSc1.0.eS7.wDn-r"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1616 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 10:01 AM 9/12/98, Douglas Lawrence wrote: >The status of what's happening at Gibson is true. They have shutdown the >Steinberger and Tobias production lines. ----- They have also just laid off several long time employees at Opcode. From what I heard(from a departing Opcode employee), Oberheim might be discontinued as a 'line' (this is just a strong rumor at this point). Product development will continue on Vision DSP and Studio Vision with a planned port of Studio Vision to Windows. There is currently no one maintaining Galaxy or Galaxy + Editors - it *may* go away. Also, development and maintenence of MusicTime, a low end product, will probably cease. Gibson bought Opcode right after Cakewalk, Roland and Fender decided to share technologies; Gibson probably wants to stay in the game. There are plans for new directions at Opcode, but I don't know just what they are. There are talented people there; however, in that business a lot will depend a lot on passion, vision (no pun intended) and great marketing moxy. Bottom line: the music industry is a tough business. Sanford From ???@??? Sat Sep 12 19:06:04 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id VAA25656; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 21:44:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 21:44:21 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <35FB22D6.34988CCB@texas.net> Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 20:41:44 -0500 From: Bobdog Catlin Reply-To: psbuddha@texas.net Organization: Pseudo Buddha/Doghouse Ent. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Echoplex in Belgium? 2nd try References: <01BDDE8D.8E009600@ubnd-98.pop-brussel2.planetinternet.be> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"yCm213.0.il5.v8o-r"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1617 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com hi serge- you might try contacting mike nelson at boomerang about his phrase sampler; they're different than the edp's, but very nice & he's a friendly fella. if he can't help you, or if you can't get in touch w/him, email me. i've got one in stock at the store i work at (krazy kat music in san antonio tx, www.krazykatmusic.com), & perhaps we could ship it to you. let me know if i can help... bobdog From ???@??? Sat Sep 12 20:04:10 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id WAA09356; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 22:24:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 22:24:08 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <01BDDE8D.8E009600@ubnd-98.pop-brussel2.planetinternet.be> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 19:16:01 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Echoplex in Belgium? 2nd try Resent-Message-ID: <"trIt63.0.fb1.xio-r"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1619 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 1:39 PM -0700 9/12/98, Serge Devadder wrote: >Hello loopers, > >Since I didn t find my mail in the digest, I post it a second time with >some additions: > >After reading about the Echoplex in the Looper's pages, I really wanted >such a thing. But after a few weeks hunting in Belgian music-shops around >Brussels and Antwerp, I have come to believe the EDP is like the Loch Ness >monster: it's picture is on the web, everybody's talking about it, but >does it really exist...??? No one sells it. > I don't know how you missed it, but Dino Cattaneo of Oberheim replied to your last post on this, over a month ago. Here's what he said: >To people who have questions about the Echoplex, here is the story. > >We are shipping the Echoplex from Nashville to many US dealers. We shipped >50 units on Friday alone! >The unit is not yet CE approved and so is not being shipped to the EEC. We >have quite few dealers in Canada but regularly ship to Long and McQuade >up there. We expect to have CE approval by the end of September. > >Our largest dealers are Musicians Friend out of Seattle, Bananas at Large >out of San Francisco, Thoroughbred Music out of Florida and Sam Ash out of >New York. As of Friday we have no unfulfilled backorders in our system for >Echoplexes. > >We are ramping up production but I must stress the fact that we have no >unfulfilled orders in our system. > >If you need to get in touch with Oberheim, contact us at our customer >service address: > >obie@gibson.com >This is the Oberheim Customer Support e-mail. > >or from the US call toll free at >(877) OBERHEIM > hope this helps, kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Sat Sep 12 20:04:12 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id WAA13144; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 22:33:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 22:33:32 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <006001bddebe$db078ea0$5cf0ffd0@artmusic.gte> From: "future perfect" To: Subject: Re: Next Generation Looper reprise. Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 22:33:00 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3115.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"3nmSU.0.pr2.Wuo-r"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1620 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >since oberheim has nothing to do with echoplex upgrades, I wouldn't be so >sure! That's up to the creators here at Aurisis Research.... > >>I don't know if this has been covered before, but I was trying out a new >>volume pedal to control feedback on my EDP today. When a feedback value is >>changed, wouldn't it be nice to be able to see the numeric value? Like as >>soon as you changed the feedback amount, the display would quickly show the >>new value- > >hmmmm, I seem to notice a few echoplexes around here recently developed >exactly that feature..... Ah, good! Does that mean you've worked on something similar?? Dave Eichenberger ********************************************************************* 'Future Perfect' - art music - visit our website at: http://home1.gte.net/artmusic/ From ???@??? Sun Sep 13 00:13:22 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id AAA05645; Sun, 13 Sep 1998 00:55:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 00:55:54 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: neato@pipeline.com Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 00:46:01 -0400 (EDT) X-Sender: neato@pop.pipeline.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: new looping hardware Resent-Message-ID: <"uJKJW.0.1K.ltq-r"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1622 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com excuse me, as i've been off the list for awhile, but i've read nothing about(nor seen on the website-loopers tools section) the new looper by dod...called the dimension 12...havent really had a chance to get too into it yet, but has a max of 4 seperate 6 second loops with editing capability...12 second delay...with flange/chorus type effects -things i dont like on first glance are no on/off switch(have to unplug wallwart) and no led(for signal/overload) on the input anyone using one yet...lists for $279 cheers all my mistakes were once acts of genius neato@pipeline.com From ???@??? Sun Sep 13 00:13:23 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id BAA12458; Sun, 13 Sep 1998 01:11:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 01:11:29 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <2.2.32.19980913045943.00727ad4@pop.chromatic.com> X-Sender: kflint@pop.chromatic.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 21:59:43 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: new looping hardware Resent-Message-ID: <"7dFV33.0.2W2.zBr-r"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1623 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com There were some reviews of it here when it came out. maybe someone could repost it. I've been meaning to add posted reviews about this and some other devices to the tools page on the LD site, but haven't yet gotten around to it.... kim At 12:46 AM 9/13/98 -0400, you wrote: >excuse me, as i've been off the list for awhile, but i've read nothing >about(nor seen on the website-loopers tools section) the new looper by >dod...called the dimension 12...havent really had a chance to get too into >it yet, but has a max of 4 seperate 6 second loops with editing >capability...12 second delay...with flange/chorus type effects >-things i dont like on first glance are no on/off switch(have to unplug >wallwart) and no led(for signal/overload) on the input >anyone using one yet...lists for $279 > >cheers > > all my mistakes were once acts of genius > neato@pipeline.com > > > > _________________________________________________________ Kim Flint, MTS kflint@chromatic.com Chromatic Research 408-752-9284 http://www.chromatic.com From ???@??? Sun Sep 13 00:13:25 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id BAA21041; Sun, 13 Sep 1998 01:22:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 01:22:24 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <6443c134.35fb55ca@aol.com> Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 01:19:06 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Echoplex in Belgium? 2nd try Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 170 Resent-Message-ID: <"HOW46.0.gc4.-Mr-r"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1624 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 9/13/98 12:45:11 AM Mid-Atlantic Daylight Time, psbuddha@texas.net writes: << hi serge- you might try contacting mike nelson at boomerang about his phrase sampler; they're different than the edp's, but very nice & he's a friendly fella. >> i couldnt agree with bobdog more! when im frustrated, my boomerang makes it all go away very simply............michael From ???@??? Sun Sep 13 00:13:28 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id BAA01399; Sun, 13 Sep 1998 01:42:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 01:42:50 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <35FB5A3B.BE87E61D@erols.com> Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 01:39:09 -0400 From: "J.G.Wong (Fiveman)" Reply-To: adaaxs@erols.com Organization: Uplink Hill Disability Technology Consulting, Tokusatsu Access, Video Japan Archive X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V98 #130 References: <199809130411.AAA20089@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Content-Type: text/plain; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Resent-Message-ID: <"vn8YY1.0.cT7.Ver-r"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1625 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I have an Electro Harmonix Guitar Synthesizer for sale. I will sell it to whoever makes the best offer by next Friday 9/18/98 7:30 EST. Please make all correspondence private. G. Wong -- Tokusatsu Access Page (soon to be tokusatsu.com) http://www.angelfire.com/pa/Tokusatsuaccess ãAn educated man is to an uneducated man as the living are to the deadä Aristotle From ???@??? Sun Sep 13 16:30:43 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id HAA06220; Sun, 13 Sep 1998 07:29:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 07:29:48 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Sender: mpeters@csi.com Message-ID: <01BDDF18.07C397F0.mpeters@csi.com> From: Michael Peters To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: AW: Wayside Has Looper's Music Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 10:05:59 +0200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-Mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"UBVq92.0.7T7.jZw-r"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1627 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > The New September catalog of Wayside Music, distributor for Cunieform and > other fine lables has some releases of interest to the looping community. > MARKUS REUTER-Taster (Germany) $13.00 Recommended to all lovers of long quiet minimalist/experimental soundscapes. Check out Markus' website at http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/mpeters/markus.htm or his entry in our loopers of the world index. * michael peters mpeters@csi.com * "escape veloopity" electronic guitar loop music * http://listen.to/michaelpeters From ???@??? Sun Sep 13 03:25:37 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id GAA24603; Sun, 13 Sep 1998 06:01:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 06:01:26 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <01BDDF0D.D4297EA0@ubnd-98.pop-brussel2.planetinternet.be> From: Serge Devadder To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: EDP : error Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 11:58:26 +-200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"VlPz42.0.La5.hSv-r"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1626 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com ooooops, It seems I accidentally reposted an old mail on the availability of the EDP and as allways many friendly people replied (patiently). Sorry loopers for dropping the s/n-ratio of the forum. But then again, this whole list is about loops & repetitions:) I was actually waiting for the announced introduction of EC-label compliant EDP's in Europe as announced after my original posting. Then I heard through the grapevine that Oberheim is postponing this EC-thing and many nice people offered to ship me an EDP from the States. However, the recent posts on faulty EDP memory and erratic behaviour are keeping me from buying this thing. I sometimes get the impression the EDP is a prototype gizmo soldered togeteher in some garage... I can't risk shelling out hundreds of bucks to an unknown party for an unpredictable machine without a solid guarantee. It's virtually impo$$ible to ship this back across the ocean for repair, maintenance or upgrade. So unless Oberheim hits Europe with an EC-labeled version, through an official dealer and with an authorized service center, I'm not touching it. The recent rumours around Oberheim are not increasing my confidence either... I'm very sad because there is probably not a piece of gear I need or want more than an EDP, but right now I'm not gambling. I whish a big corporate like Yamaha would buy a licence for the EDP. Maybe I'll have to start thinking about a boomerang. bye! s.- From ???@??? Sun Sep 13 16:30:46 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id JAA16538; Sun, 13 Sep 1998 09:50:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 09:50:48 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: bflick@voicenet.com Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980913094330.008d46a0@popmail.voicenet.com> X-Sender: bflick@popmail.voicenet.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 09:43:30 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: best signal method? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"FFDgF.0.qJ3.nny-r"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1628 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hello all, In setting up a jam man for live rig, w/mixer, what would be the best way to put it in chain, so i can catch all instruments in loop? as an aux send, or on the main outs? Forgive this "newbie" question, but would appreciate any tips or examples of setups.- Thanks! - Brendan From ???@??? Sun Sep 13 16:31:06 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id QAA14997; Sun, 13 Sep 1998 16:37:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 16:37:37 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <00a301bddf54$4aa1b340$d86703cf@rjiredff> From: "Jonathan Brainin" To: Subject: Fw: T.C. Electronic G-Force Guitar Effects processor Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 16:22:50 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2120.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2120.0 Resent-Message-ID: <"i9kZj1.0.Em2.6i2_r"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1629 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Maybe someone out there will be interested. YOu won't find a better deal on this unit anytime soon. -----Original Message----- From: NO.SPAMdhoffma1@columbus.rr.com Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.marketplace Date: Sunday, September 13, 1998 1:59 AM Subject: T.C. Electronic G-Force Guitar Effects processor >Price: $800 > >T.C. Electronic G-Force rack effects processor designed specifically for guitar. As the ad states it is "The Ultimate" processor. Retails for 1,799 purchased from Musician's Friend for 1,499 one year ago, selling for $800 . Unit has only been used in my home studio and has never left the house. Please visit WWW.TCELECTRONIC.COM for details on the unit. It truely has some of THE best reverbs and effects you can buy. 24bit A/D D/A converters. Please email me at dhoffma1@columbus.rr.com if interested. > >(p.s. please see my ad for the A.R.T. X-15 Ultra Foot Midi Footcontroller to performance control the G-Force) > >Dan Hoffman > >-------------------------------------------------------------------------- >Anti-Spam: delete "NO.SPAM" in E-mail address >Posted through http://www.harmony-central.com >Comments/Complaints: webmaster@harmony-central.com From ???@??? Sun Sep 13 16:31:08 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id SAA06408; Sun, 13 Sep 1998 18:51:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 18:51:32 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 18:46:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Adam Levin X-Sender: alevin@ari.ari.net To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Subject: Dark Aether Project/Three Hour Detour in Philadelphia 9/19 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"4TBdE.0.y41.Jj4_r"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1630 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com On Saturday September 19th, The Dark Aether Project and Three Hour Detour will perform together in Philadelphia PA at the Lion Fish, which is located at 614 N. 2nd Street. Showtime is 8pm for this all-ages show. The Dark Aether Project will kick off the show with a mixture of material both old and new. The Dark Aether Project features Adam Levin (Warr Guitar/Loops), Yaman Aksu (Fretted and Fretless Guitar) and Brian Griffin (Drums). Joining DAP for this very special show will be guest vocalist Ray Weston, the voice of Echolyn, Still and Always Almost. This is one DAP show not to miss! Sharing the bill will be Three Hour Detour featuring Ray Ashley (Chapman Stick/Vocals), Joe D'Andrea (Drums/Vocals) and Helene Zisook (Violin/Vocals). This show will be their official Philadelphia CD release event, so expect them to play most of the tunes on the CD, jammed out to their proper full length as well as new material. Come see Ray use the Stick to it's full potential! The Lion Fish is on 614 N. 2nd Street Philadelphia. - From I-95, take the exit marked Calowhill and bear right, to get on Calowhill going west. - Make a right turn on 3rd - Take 3rd past Spring Garden and make a right on Brown - Turn right onto 2nd Street - Proceed south for a block and a half until you see the Lion Fish on your right. There is ample and safe parking in this neighborhood Other upcoming Dark Aether Project shows: Oct 9th: Cafe Tattoo - Baltimore MD with Discipline Global Mobile recording artist Tony Geballe (Trey Gunn Band, Robert Fripp and the League of Crafty Guitarists, Toyah) in support of his solo release _Native of the Rain_ and the illbient guitar duo Fingerpaint Nov 7th: Orion Studios - Baltimore MD Tap Tech II: Chapman Stick and Warr Guitar artist showcase with Frank Jolliffe, Ray Ashley, Squash and more TBA Dec 5th: Phantasmagoria - Wheaton MD (Washington DC area) with Discipline -Adam --- "...if one strives at hearing for the sake of constant virtue, out of seeking liberation from cyclic existence, gradually one becomes a Hearer." - Chandrakirti T h e D a r k A e t h e r P r o j e c t http://www.darkaether.net/ From ???@??? Sun Sep 13 19:16:19 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id UAA05882; Sun, 13 Sep 1998 20:10:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 20:10:43 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 16:59:49 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: EDP : error Resent-Message-ID: <"eSJRb1.0.Ee.Dp5_r"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1631 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 4:58 AM -0700 9/13/98, Serge Devadder wrote: > >to ship me an EDP from the States. However, the recent posts >on faulty EDP memory and erratic behaviour are keeping me from >buying this thing. I sometimes get the impression the EDP is a >prototype gizmo soldered togeteher in some garage... I think you should remember the basic nature of the internet, where a large number of people who are perfectly satisfied will not post anything about that, and a very small number who are unhappy can make a lot of noise. The people complaining typically appear to be a much larger group than they are. I think that is the case here. Oberheim has sold a lot of echoplexes that are out there working just fine. And as was carefully noted here by Oberheim, the "faulty EDP memory" is almost always bad simms or user installation problems, not the echoplex. The echoplex's memory circuits have always proved to be extremely reliable. A few uninformed internet posts to the contrary, and this incorrect perception is created and apparently has stuck. frustrating... kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Mon Sep 14 01:31:17 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id DAA17546; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 03:32:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 03:32:47 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980914021438.0088b160@wavefront.com> X-Sender: chuck.zwicky@wavefront.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 02:14:38 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Chuck Zwicky Subject: Re: new looping hardware In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"JKOWJ1.0._J3.lJC_r"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1632 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Kim, I thought you were going to put my 'review' of the dimension 12 on the web page.... -Chuck Zwicky At 12:46 AM 9/13/98 -0400, you wrote: >excuse me, as i've been off the list for awhile, but i've read nothing >about(nor seen on the website-loopers tools section) the new looper by >dod...called the dimension 12...havent really had a chance to get too into >it yet, but has a max of 4 seperate 6 second loops with editing >capability...12 second delay...with flange/chorus type effects >-things i dont like on first glance are no on/off switch(have to unplug >wallwart) and no led(for signal/overload) on the input >anyone using one yet...lists for $279 > >cheers > > all my mistakes were once acts of genius > neato@pipeline.com > > > > From ???@??? Mon Sep 14 01:31:21 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id EAA03627; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 04:10:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 04:10:45 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 03:49:00 -0400 Subject: DJ Singe - G Gersh and guests Message-ID: <19980914.035705.11374.24.gsg@juno.com> References: <199809130411.AAA20089@rosy.yourwebhost.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-11 From: gsg@juno.com (Geoff S Gersh) Resent-Message-ID: <"p3Mka3.0.JW5.8ZC_r"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1633 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com for those of you in the NYC area: DJ Singe & Geoff Gersh with special guests: Melvin Gibbs-bass<>Grisha Coleman-vox<>MC Verb turntables+guitar+flash+loops Thursday Sept. 17 11pm Alterknit Theatre @ the Knitting Factory 74 Leonard St. 219-3006 _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From ???@??? Mon Sep 14 03:15:53 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id EAA16140; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 04:39:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 04:39:24 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <2.2.32.19980914082321.006d1d80@pop.chromatic.com> X-Sender: kflint@pop.chromatic.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 01:23:21 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: new looping hardware Resent-Message-ID: <"ftUev2.0.I23.rGD_r"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1634 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 02:14 AM 9/14/98 -0500, you wrote: >Kim, > I thought you were going to put my 'review' of the dimension 12 on the web >page.... > >-Chuck Zwicky yeah, I'm gonna....been busy with other projects, but I'm planning to spend a couple days on the website soon, adding all the stuff people have sent me recently. Even broke down and bought real web page development software! (golive cyberstudio, sweeeet....) Should make updates much easier than before. One thing that's coming soon is a really nice, automated, searchable, indexed, web-based mailing list archive. Should be cool.... no more waiting around for me to do the job manually! As always, any contributions to the web page are very welcome! content, labor, programming, graphics, ideas, design, whatever you can do..... kim _________________________________________________________ Kim Flint, MTS kflint@chromatic.com Chromatic Research 408-752-9284 http://www.chromatic.com From ???@??? Mon Sep 14 10:22:29 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id HAA17348; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 07:45:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 07:45:18 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 06:33:37 -0500 (CDT) Sender: crash@waste.org From: Todd Madson To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Gibson/Steinberger/Oberheim Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"jcHrR.0.be2.wxF_r"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1635 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Geez, and all the Steinie advertisements were nearly enticing me to buy one of those transtrem guitars. Now I have second thoughts (especially since I found a handmade in the u.s.a. kinda guitar thingie before I was able to get to my local Steinie dealer). I see a lot of these guitar monopolies want to get into technology, but the persistent layoffs and lack of advertising smarts bothers me. I saw perhaps one ad for the echoplex since it was introduced and they really could have pushed it. On the other hand, you see tons of ads for the dod/digitech stuff and they don't have anything remotely similar. From ???@??? Mon Sep 14 10:22:33 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id JAA23654; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 09:03:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 09:03:28 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Marzzz@aol.com Message-ID: <64461237.35fd113f@aol.com> Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 08:51:11 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Gibson/Steinberger/Oberheim Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 189 Resent-Message-ID: <"QmXbL.0.aL4.K5H_r"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1637 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 9/14/98 6:58:54 AM, pycraft@elec.gla.ac.uk writes: >I know this is off-topic, but it's on a subject close to the hearts of >many here - how will Steinberger's demise affect Klein, with their >dependence on Steinberger for trems and nuts? He has always been able to obtain parts, even during periods where Steinberger was dormant. He gets them thru Gibson, and (I guess) pays a licensing fee to use them. I am sure he would be able to go directly to the manufacturer to obtain parts. At the very worst, I know he has been looking into building these parts himself for several years, if they became unavailable it would provide an impetus to do so. Of course, we can just ask him..... Marshall From ???@??? Mon Sep 14 10:22:36 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id JAA29921; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 09:15:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 09:15:48 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Marzzz@aol.com Message-ID: <1cd2fd59.35fd1528@aol.com> Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 09:07:52 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Gibson/Steinberger Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 189 Resent-Message-ID: <"v1v5I1.0.jN6.oKH_r"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1638 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 9/14/98 8:04:14 AM, Marzzz@aol.com writes: >Of course, we can just ask him..... BTW- I forgot to mention the "he" is Lorenzo German, who is Klein Electric Guitars, not to be confused with Steve Klein, who makes Klein (acoustic) guitars. Steve sold the "electric" division to Lorenzo several years back, and they worked together (at least in the same barn) up until recently. Marshall From ???@??? Mon Sep 14 10:22:52 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id KAA08098; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 10:49:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 10:49:23 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: joseph devlin Message-Id: <199809141437.KAA11091@reno.WPI.EDU> Subject: Jamman To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 10:37:27 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"8DION3.0.UX.9eI_r"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1640 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hello, i have a jamman that i would like to sell. i payed about $550 for it; it includes full memory expansion, power supply, footswitch, and an art x-11 pedal board to send program change messages. its in very good condition; no scratches or discolorations or operational weirdness involved. the reason im trying to sell it is because i payed a lot of money for it and ive realized i just cant afford it. im not asking what i payed for it unless someones willing to give me that much. i will listen to offers. thank you, joseph devlin From ???@??? Mon Sep 14 10:22:40 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id JAA13302; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 09:49:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 09:49:48 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <35FD2C6A.8CBA9BB@vete.ucl.ac.be> Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 15:47:10 +0100 From: Malhomme Reply-To: malhomme@vete.ucl.ac.be X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [fr] (Macintosh; I; PPC) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: belgium loopers... References: <199809130410.AAA19584@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"8fhtU3.0.GT2.4rH_r"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1639 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com For Serge: I'm french but now live in Belgium. As you experienced it, looping device are not exactly trendy, on the edge of fashion. I spent a lot of time looking (at this time, about 1 year ago) a Jamman. No way or so expensive, you wouldn't believe. This ended in me buying it in America, thanks to someone of the list locating one in a store to which I phoned immediately (according of course to local american time!). The machine was sent to me, and the time it passed through customs, with all taxes paid, and with the shipping price (which is awfully high, of course), it took 1 week and an half, and between one third and half the price. Everything then absolutely legal. Now to add some fuel to the fire I'll use to burn importing dealer, when I bought the memory to expand it to full capacity, it was $50, shipping included. In France Beyer (that imports Lexicon) would sell them for 2000 French Francs (about $333). I had AGAIN THANKS TO THE PEOPLE OF THE LIST, THAT MUST BE STRESSED! bought a vortex for a price that was barely all things included one third of the french price. Usually, prices in belgium are very near than french ones. The lesson is: I propose we stop paying for allowing dealer (i mean "importers", but does it exists?) going in vacation with their secretaries in the sun? The aother thing is can get rid of warranty, which is usually the "real" price to pay... Olivier Malhomme From ???@??? Mon Sep 14 13:20:56 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id QAA09883; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 16:05:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 16:05:05 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <35FD2E51.E43209FA@nyfac.com> Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 15:55:13 +0100 From: "trevor bajus," Reply-To: nyfac2@nyfac.com Organization: New York Film and Animation Inc / 3DV X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: DJ Singe - G Gersh and guests References: <199809130411.AAA20089@rosy.yourwebhost.com> <19980914.035705.11374.24.gsg@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"0rR1I.0.zu.kDN_r"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1644 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This reminds me- I've been writing some Ornette style heads, which need some harmelodics. I'm thinking a day, two loopers plugged into a fourtrack, and rip it loose. What do you think? tdb From ???@??? Mon Sep 14 10:23:17 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id MAA29193; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 12:58:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 12:58:12 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <79197bce.35fd4910@aol.com> Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 12:49:20 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: new looping hardware Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 170 Resent-Message-ID: <"_xeDW3.0.EC6.EaK_r"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1641 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com hello....about 2 weeks ago i had asked about the DOD D12 stereo delay/24 sec sampler, i do recall some discussion about it in the past....the reason for my question was this, i received a flyer in the mail from Harpers Music and they had a sale on this beastie for $199.00....that sounded like a good price to me if this is indeed a useable piece of equipment......here is the address of Harper's Music, 241 3Rd. Ave. Ste. C, Chula Vista, Ca. 91910.....their e-mail is www.Musicrent.com i have not done any bussiness with these folks so i can not speak to their methods but they do have some deals, it seems. also, i am curious as to how we can help our fellow loopers outside of the U.S. in their quest for equipment. can anything be done so they are not clobbered price wise with all the duties and add ons? Perhaps nothing can be done, i dont know, i just wanted to hear some ideas.....................michael From ???@??? Mon Sep 14 22:28:32 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id WAA20462; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 22:02:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 22:02:46 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 20:21:44 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: patrick@his.com (Patrick Smith) Subject: Re: Einstein's Physics Refuted: Matter Escapes From Black Hole! Resent-Message-ID: <"cCOB13.0.Ol4.CZS_r"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1647 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Let me be the first to congratulate you Ray...this is news worthy of the loop of the week!!! Patrick >Monday, September 14, 11:53 Pacific Daylight Time > >Einstein's Physics Refuted: Matter Escapes From Black Hole! > Now Available: FingerPaint Primary Colors: BLUE A guitar-synth looping duo of dark illbience and dreamy ambience. Shockwave audio featuring our newest release Primary Colors:Blue www.fingerpaint.net From ???@??? Mon Sep 14 13:05:59 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id OAA09089; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 14:45:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 14:45:17 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <001a01bde00e$4307f1c0$6d0a4382@hovard> From: "Thomas W¿hni" To: Subject: Midicontroller and Jamman Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 20:34:08 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"EYnZa.0.XH1.b8M_r"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1642 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi all , I have a jamman and a Rocktron midimate. I was just curious about what the possibilities are when connecting them. What can I make the `man do with the `mate? Yours , Thomas Feel free to check out my web-site: http://www.geocities.com/Eureka/Promenade/1628/ From ???@??? Mon Sep 14 13:06:02 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id PAA27148; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 15:29:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 15:29:19 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: dmgraph@mail.earthlink.net (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 15:10:21 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: David Myers Subject: Modulations Resent-Message-ID: <"ZE1en.0.vY4.AdM_r"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1643 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Finally checked out "Modulations". About 90% dance music, as expected, but well worth while for anyone interested in electronic music. Where else will you get Stockhausen, Pierre Henry, John Cage, Squarepusher, and Marcus Popp in a film? Remarks by my painter friend Alex Ross: Booth or Brown picks his nose. Detroit rules planet Earth. Future Sound of London are pretentious snobs. Ditto Genisis P. O. (Wendy Carlos?) Tom Jenkinson is SEXY AS HELL. Richard James and Richie Hawtin mysteriously absent. THAT'S Oval?!?! Ravers are the best thing that's landed here since the Flappers. Alec Empire wants attention. For the love of Cage, German hardcore is laughable. Break dancing footage is wonderful beyond anything. DJ's and Turntablists kick everyone's butt. Part 2: computer animation and beats, no talking! Gabba good. Was the word Goa mentioned at all? Donna Summers sounded SO good. Q-Bert funtime! Is Irmin Schmidt cool or what? Still wearin' those shades... Czukay is the clowner's clown. Those English music writers have gorgeous mouths and teeth. I don't hate Bill Lasswell so much any more. Bob Moog is Albert Hofmann. Miles Davis has a HUGE shadow. No focus on the graphic arts revolution? Not ONE smiling alien? Overall rating: 4 houses From ???@??? Mon Sep 14 10:22:30 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id HAA24117; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 07:58:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 07:58:05 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19980914133920.12af5d56@mailhost.elec.gla.ac.uk> X-Sender: pycraft@mailhost.elec.gla.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (16) Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 13:39:20 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: "Michael Pycraft Hughes, PhD" Subject: Re: Gibson/Steinberger/Oberheim In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"hDIWh3.0.9l4.iAG_r"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1636 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 06:33 AM 9/14/98 -0500, you wrote: >Geez, and all the Steinie advertisements were nearly enticing me to buy >one of those transtrem guitars. Now I have second thoughts (especially >since I found a handmade in the u.s.a. kinda guitar thingie before I was >able to get to my local Steinie dealer). I know this is off-topic, but it's on a subject close to the hearts of many here - how will Steinberger's demise affect Klein, with their dependence on Steinberger for trems and nuts? Michael Dr Michael Pycraft Hughes, University of Glasgow, Glasgow UK G12 8QQ -------------------------------------------------------------------- "What can be done with fewer assumptions is done in vain with more" - William of Occam (1285-1347) (now called Occam's Razor) -------------------------------------------------------------------- www.elec.gla.ac.uk/~pycraft pycraft@elec.gla.ac.uk From ???@??? Mon Sep 14 22:28:15 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id QAA30543; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 16:55:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 16:55:11 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: matthias@pop3.bahianet.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <006001bddebe$db078ea0$5cf0ffd0@artmusic.gte> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 17:49:38 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Next Generation Looper reprise. Resent-Message-ID: <"eST632.0.7X5.ytN_r"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1645 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >>since oberheim has nothing to do with echoplex upgrades, I wouldn't be so >>sure! That's up to the creators here at Aurisis Research.... >> >>>I don't know if this has been covered before, but I was trying out a new >>>volume pedal to control feedback on my EDP today. When a feedback value is >>>changed, wouldn't it be nice to be able to see the numeric value? Like as >>>soon as you changed the feedback amount, the display would quickly show >the >>>new value- >> >>hmmmm, I seem to notice a few echoplexes around here recently developed >>exactly that feature..... > >Ah, good! Does that mean you've worked on something similar?? Yes, I spend my free hours on this and other new features, just give me some more time... Matthias From ???@??? Mon Sep 14 22:28:30 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id VAA13790; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 21:05:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 21:05:35 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <13821.47148.482947.357149@linux> Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 17:43:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Ray Peck To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Einstein's Physics Refuted: Matter Escapes From Black Hole! X-Mailer: VM 6.47 under Emacs 19.34.1 Resent-Message-ID: <"ydW5O1.0.Xd2.pgR_r"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1646 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Monday, September 14, 11:53 Pacific Daylight Time Einstein's Physics Refuted: Matter Escapes From Black Hole! LOS ALTOS, Calif., Sept. 14 /LoopNewsWire/ -- There were confirmed reports today of the refutation of one of the basic tenets of relativistic physics. A number of bodies of matter, known to insiders as "Looper's Delight CD No. 1", were seen entering a United States Post Office after being ejected from a small, dense black hole known as "the Peck house". Bystanders were shocked and amazed to witness this event, long held by experts to be so unlikely as to be essentially impossible to occur within our lifetimes. The chunks of matter, which are on a set of trajectories toward "The Creators", are expected to arrive at their destinations within days' time. "It's likely to be possible to jar loose more of these particles in the coming days", said one knowledgable bystander. "The process required that we generate a minimum of 200 of the attached decorative motifs, which could also be ejected quickly by the black hole, either in single units, or more likely in larger groups." Contact Information: For more information on this sighting and future such sightings, contact The Peck Black Hole Institute at the address as explained below. The Institute is not currently monitoring broadcast communications. ---------- Note: the email address in the header is hacked as an anti-spam measure. Please remove the 'no-spam-' to reply to The Peck Black Hole Institute. Sorry for the inconvenience.") From ???@??? Tue Sep 15 00:41:25 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id CAA14442; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 02:20:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 02:20:43 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 23:07:49 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Gibson/Steinberger/Oberheim Resent-Message-ID: <"OdF2_.0.4F2.EIW_r"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1648 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >Geez, and all the Steinie advertisements were nearly enticing me to buy >one of those transtrem guitars. Now I have second thoughts (especially >since I found a handmade in the u.s.a. kinda guitar thingie before I was >able to get to my local Steinie dealer). As I understand, they are reopening steinberg and tobias around the 1st of the year, in a new facility in Memphis. So it's only a few months....depending of course on how long it takes them to get things running again. >I see a lot of these guitar monopolies want to get into technology, but >the persistent layoffs and lack of advertising smarts bothers me. I >saw perhaps one ad for the echoplex since it was introduced and they >really could have pushed it. Actually, they were selling echoplexes faster than they could make them most of the time, so there hasn't been any need for advertising so far. Word-of-mouth was enough. Ads would have just made the backorder list longer! kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Tue Sep 15 02:32:09 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id DAA24405; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 03:37:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 03:37:54 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: matthias@pop3.bahianet.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <13821.47148.482947.357149@linux> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 04:44:33 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Einstein's Physics Refuted: Matter Escapes From Black Hole! Resent-Message-ID: <"XcrCI3.0.Jz4.rTX_r"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1649 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com NO ! :-) From ???@??? Tue Sep 15 11:18:17 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id FAA00794; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 05:57:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 05:57:36 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <35FE45E2.9443D92A@vete.ucl.ac.be> Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 11:48:35 +0100 From: Malhomme Reply-To: malhomme@vete.ucl.ac.be X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [fr] (Macintosh; I; PPC) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: dim 12 References: <199809150705.DAA06859@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"6TgKP1.0.WK6.sQZ_r"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1650 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Chuck, I'd like to get your review! Olivier Malhomme From ???@??? Tue Sep 15 11:18:28 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id JAA06815; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 09:25:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 09:25:03 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <021301bde0ab$16f7a600$c5b854ce@mark.asisoftware.com> From: Mark@asisoftware.com (Mark Kata) To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: Fw: Einstein's Physics Refuted: Matter Escapes From Black Hole! Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 09:16:46 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"f04My3.0.oe.-Xc_r"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1651 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi Ray, I'd like to buy a copy, as I'm sure many on the list would. Please provide us with the details. Thanks, Mark Kata Mark@asisoftware.com -----Original Message----- From: Ray Peck To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Monday, September 14, 1998 9:06 PM Subject: Einstein's Physics Refuted: Matter Escapes From Black Hole! > >Monday, September 14, 11:53 Pacific Daylight Time > >Einstein's Physics Refuted: Matter Escapes From Black Hole! > >LOS ALTOS, Calif., Sept. 14 /LoopNewsWire/ -- There were confirmed >reports today of the refutation of one of the basic tenets of >relativistic physics. A number of bodies of matter, known to insiders >as "Looper's Delight CD No. 1", were seen entering a United States Post >Office after being ejected from a small, dense black hole known as "the >Peck house". Bystanders were shocked and amazed to witness this event, >long held by experts to be so unlikely as to be essentially impossible >to occur within our lifetimes. The chunks of matter, which are on a set >of trajectories toward "The Creators", are expected to arrive at their >destinations within days' time. > >"It's likely to be possible to jar loose more of these particles in the >coming days", said one knowledgable bystander. "The process required >that we generate a minimum of 200 of the attached decorative motifs, >which could also be ejected quickly by the black hole, either in single >units, or more likely in larger groups." > > >Contact Information: > >For more information on this sighting and future such sightings, contact >The Peck Black Hole Institute at the address as explained below. The >Institute is not currently monitoring broadcast communications. > >---------- >Note: the email address in the header is hacked as an anti-spam measure. >Please remove the 'no-spam-' to reply to The Peck Black Hole Institute. >Sorry for the inconvenience.") > From ???@??? Tue Sep 15 11:18:35 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id KAA28126; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 10:12:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 10:12:44 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <35FE7382.E0F981BE@Pirnie.com> Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 10:02:42 -0400 From: "Lee Wordsman" Reply-To: Lwordsman@pirnie.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Modulations References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Xgy0e3.0.Yu5.9Fd_r"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1652 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Painter Alex Ross of "Kingdom Come" and other Comic Book fame? David Myers wrote: > > Finally checked out "Modulations". About 90% dance music, as expected, but > well worth while for anyone interested in electronic music. Where else > will you get Stockhausen, Pierre Henry, John Cage, Squarepusher, and Marcus > Popp in a film? > > Remarks by my painter friend Alex Ross: > > Booth or Brown picks his nose. > Detroit rules planet Earth. > Future Sound of London are pretentious snobs. > Ditto Genisis P. O. (Wendy Carlos?) > Tom Jenkinson is SEXY AS HELL. > Richard James and Richie Hawtin mysteriously absent. > THAT'S Oval?!?! > Ravers are the best thing that's landed here since the Flappers. > Alec Empire wants attention. > For the love of Cage, > German hardcore is laughable. > Break dancing footage is wonderful beyond anything. > DJ's and Turntablists kick everyone's butt. > Part 2: computer animation and beats, no talking! > Gabba good. Was the word Goa mentioned at all? > Donna Summers sounded SO good. > Q-Bert funtime! > Is Irmin Schmidt cool or what? Still wearin' those shades... > Czukay is the clowner's clown. > Those English music writers have gorgeous mouths and teeth. > I don't hate Bill Lasswell so much any more. > Bob Moog is Albert Hofmann. > Miles Davis has a HUGE shadow. > No focus on the graphic arts revolution? Not ONE smiling alien? > Overall rating: 4 houses From ???@??? Tue Sep 15 11:18:38 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id KAA31189; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 10:19:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 10:19:21 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <35FE7571.D06A0933@Pirnie.com> Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 10:10:57 -0400 From: "Lee Wordsman" Reply-To: Lwordsman@pirnie.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Fw: Einstein's Physics Refuted: Matter Escapes From Black Hole! References: <021301bde0ab$16f7a600$c5b854ce@mark.asisoftware.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"7Zvej1.0.Ap6.tMd_r"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1653 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I think that Ray mentioned that he was not monitoring this list and that if you wanted a copy that you should contact him at his despammed address. I've already sent in a request and will advise the list as to how that all proceeds. Mark Kata wrote: > > Hi Ray, > > I'd like to buy a copy, as I'm sure many on the list would. Please provide > us with the details. > > Thanks, > Mark Kata > Mark@asisoftware.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ray Peck > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Date: Monday, September 14, 1998 9:06 PM > Subject: Einstein's Physics Refuted: Matter Escapes From Black Hole! > > > > >Monday, September 14, 11:53 Pacific Daylight Time > > > >Einstein's Physics Refuted: Matter Escapes From Black Hole! > > > >LOS ALTOS, Calif., Sept. 14 /LoopNewsWire/ -- There were confirmed > >reports today of the refutation of one of the basic tenets of > >relativistic physics. A number of bodies of matter, known to insiders > >as "Looper's Delight CD No. 1", were seen entering a United States Post > >Office after being ejected from a small, dense black hole known as "the > >Peck house". Bystanders were shocked and amazed to witness this event, > >long held by experts to be so unlikely as to be essentially impossible > >to occur within our lifetimes. The chunks of matter, which are on a set > >of trajectories toward "The Creators", are expected to arrive at their > >destinations within days' time. > > > >"It's likely to be possible to jar loose more of these particles in the > >coming days", said one knowledgable bystander. "The process required > >that we generate a minimum of 200 of the attached decorative motifs, > >which could also be ejected quickly by the black hole, either in single > >units, or more likely in larger groups." > > > > > >Contact Information: > > > >For more information on this sighting and future such sightings, contact > >The Peck Black Hole Institute at the address as explained below. The > >Institute is not currently monitoring broadcast communications. > > > >---------- > >Note: the email address in the header is hacked as an anti-spam measure. > >Please remove the 'no-spam-' to reply to The Peck Black Hole Institute. > >Sorry for the inconvenience.") > > From ???@??? Wed Sep 16 01:38:18 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id QAA32533; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 16:50:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 16:50:34 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <35FE89FE.B6F8945C@nyfac.com> Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 16:38:38 +0100 From: "trevor bajus," Reply-To: nyfac2@nyfac.com Organization: New York Film and Animation Inc / 3DV X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Home Studio References: <6ff689c8.35fec8b9@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"pwrQr3.0._C6.Myi_r"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1659 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com GRAIGORY2@aol.com wrote: > I am getting PISSED with the sound quality of computers and what not... so I > am thinking about getting the following things... > > 1)digital 8 track > 2) dat machine > 3)standalone CDR > 4)ASR-X pro The opinions that follow are not my own, but have been implanted in my head by space aliens during my last abduction.I have always been a big proponant of computer based digital recording. If you are going to deal with the loss of the yummieness of tape (and there are many good reasons for that) then you should really take advantage of what makes digital cool- the editing. There is nothing quite so nice as flying by the seat of your pants, editing the good bits together, and catching more spontaniety than you can shake a stick at. Need a new mix? An extra chorus? Chopping out a bum fill? Bum note? All easily done. The two digital recorders that I am most familiar with are Digi's Session8 (now called ProTools Project on the Mac, i believe) and Akai's DR8. To make a long story short, Digi's stuff worked like a dream (esp. after editing on 1/4 tape w/razor and tape), but the working with the stand alone, even with the monitor card, was just a nightmare. Still better than a razor though. Nominally. I used to have a tascam DA-30 (the first model) and it sucked big. It seems anything that Tascam/Teac make that costs more than a $800 is shit. I'm not a keyboard player, but I play one on TV. Ensoniq stuff seems to work well for a lot of folks. I ain't got a clue 'bout CDRs. tdb From ???@??? Tue Sep 15 11:19:01 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id MAA10740; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 12:03:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 12:03:18 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <2.2.32.19980915154110.0072dd94@mail.dada.it> X-Sender: cavallo@mail.dada.it X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 17:41:10 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Leonardo Cavallo Subject: Roland SP808 groovesampler Resent-Message-ID: <"SS1QX.0.yW.yhe_r"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1654 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi guys I've just received a Roland SP808 groovesampler to test. First impression quite impressing... a compact device with a sampler and a HD recorder inside, plus FX and D Beam controllers... It seems ideal for looping and sample playing live. I'll let you know in the next days ciao leo From ???@??? Tue Sep 15 11:19:21 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id NAA20038; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 13:44:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 13:44:50 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <13822.41315.189678.895855@linux> Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 10:18:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Ray Peck To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: more on (moron?) Einstein X-Mailer: VM 6.47 under Emacs 19.34.1 Resent-Message-ID: <"LDwei3.0.CC3.ZFg_r"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1655 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >Einstein's Physics Refuted: Matter Escapes From Black Hole! I have been in contact with the technicians at the The Peck Black Hole Institute regarding additional trajectories for the LDCDNo.1 matter. Details for dissemination in small quantities are currently being worked out with Kim, so hold tight! ---------- Note: the email address in the header is hacked as an anti-spam measure. Please remove the 'no-spam-' to reply. Sorry for the inconvenience. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- "There is no expedient to which a man will not go to avoid the labor of thinking." --Thomas Edison From ???@??? Wed Sep 16 01:37:59 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id PAA29821; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 15:25:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 15:25:13 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Collins" To: Subject: new clips on site Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 14:36:41 -0400 Message-ID: <01bde0d7$c8080080$ed1bbfa8@0QHC6SIA> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"l__-q1.0.EQ5.qhh_r"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1656 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hello everyone, I'm just writing to let you know that i have three new songs up to my website. And now all songs are streaming, so no more waiting for the clip to load. If you have been to my site before, you would know that i am helping out my good friends by putting them on my site as well. So there are nine songs to listen to. Hope you enjoy. WARNING!!! This music is extremely weird! Any damage to brain cells or sanity is not to be blamed upon us. You've been warned. Jeff Collins www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Stadium/1429/STRANGETONES.html From ???@??? Wed Sep 16 01:38:01 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id PAA01129; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 15:35:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 15:35:36 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <35FEBE7D.CC629E59@texas.net> Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 14:22:39 -0500 From: Bobdog Catlin Reply-To: psbuddha@texas.net Organization: Pseudo Buddha/Doghouse Ent. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers Delight Subject: Roland VS-880 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Ia2Nl3.0.kh6.xsh_r"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1657 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com i know this isn't looper exclusive,but... for sale: roland vs-880, expanded, almost unused - $1000 maybe someone is interested, maybe not. bobdog From ???@??? Wed Sep 16 01:38:08 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id QAA18539; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 16:17:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 16:17:32 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: GRAIGORY2@aol.com Message-ID: <6ff689c8.35fec8b9@aol.com> Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 16:06:17 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Home Studio Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Resent-Message-ID: <"vKXpp1.0.vI3.5Zi_r"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1658 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I am getting PISSED with the sound quality of computers and what not... so I am thinking about getting the following things... 1)digital 8 track 2) dat machine 3)standalone CDR 4)ASR-X pro I make mixtapes, as well as produce beats and emcee... will this be enough for quality work from home? I want to be able to do as much at home as possible, and have no experience with any of the things I just named... ANY ADVICE??? HELP??? IDEAs??? Also, what about microphones and other types of cnnections? peace From ???@??? Wed Sep 16 01:38:24 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id RAA07703; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 17:07:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 17:07:53 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: spat@visi.com Posted-Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 15:55:01 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19980915205434.006bf0c4@mail.visi.com> X-Sender: spat@mail.visi.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 15:54:34 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: best signal method? Resent-Message-ID: <"eMiaS.0.wL.3Gj_r"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1660 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Brendan wrote: >Hello all, > In setting up a jam man for live rig, w/mixer, what >would be the best way to put it in chain, so i can catch all instruments in >loop? as an aux send, or on the main outs? Use the aux send/return on your mixer. Then you can adjust the fx levels for each input into the mixer, and also, you can shut off the signal to fx of a particular channel if you've got a loop going and want to solo a particular instrument on top without adding it to the loop, while still being able to add the other instruments to the loop. Steve From ???@??? Wed Sep 16 01:38:47 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id UAA05143; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 20:39:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 20:39:13 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19980915234720.3733.rocketmail@send104.yahoomail.com> Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 16:47:18 -0700 (PDT) From: robert kolosowski Subject: midi to jack ? To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"SwqVX3.0.VZ7.0Km_r"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1661 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Does anyone know if there is a device and or/interface that will control standard amp footswitching via midi, eg. I have no midi in on the amp just a footswitch jack. regards Rob == Robert Kolosowski Kolosoro@Yahoo.com _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From ???@??? Wed Sep 16 01:38:48 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id UAA06411; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 20:42:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 20:42:22 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Douglas Lawrence" To: Subject: RE: Roland SP808 groovesampler Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 20:31:10 -0400 Message-ID: <000201bde109$4dd2d560$87500218@cc1006472-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.19980915154110.0072dd94@mail.dada.it> Resent-Message-ID: <"fIHJ_3.0.2L.YQm_r"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1662 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This month's Keyboard (October '98) has a comprehensive review of the Roland SP-808, Sonic Foundry's Acid and Roland MC-505. My .02 ... I'm going with the Ensoniq ASR-X Pro. -----Original Message----- From: Leonardo Cavallo [mailto:cavallo@dada.it] Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 1998 11:41 AM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Roland SP808 groovesampler Hi guys I've just received a Roland SP808 groovesampler to test. First impression quite impressing... a compact device with a sampler and a HD recorder inside, plus FX and D Beam controllers... It seems ideal for looping and sample playing live. I'll let you know in the next days ciao leo From ???@??? Wed Sep 16 01:38:51 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id WAA10620; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 22:12:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 22:12:42 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Crossedout@aol.com Message-ID: <13cec0c3.35ff1b41@aol.com> Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 21:58:25 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Home Studio Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Resent-Message-ID: <"qo4-91.0.8I1.vjn_r"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1663 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 9/15/98 3:19:52 PM Central Daylight Time, GRAIGORY2@aol.com writes: << I am getting PISSED with the sound quality of computers and what not... so I am thinking about getting the following things... 1)digital 8 track 2) dat machine 3)standalone CDR 4)ASR-X pro >> Well, let me throw in to the ring here.... well, just for starters, you're looking at around $1800-$2K for the 8 track, another $600-900 for the DAT, another $500-1K for the burner, and another $1200-1400 for the ASR-X (and these are way ballpark figures), so you're looking at least $4,100 - $5,300 in gear. Assuming you don't need a mixer, so in that case add another $500-$2500, depending on what kind of mixer you want. Now, a Pentium II with 256Mb of RAM and a several-Gb harddrive will probably run you around $2000 if you build it from parts. Then another few hundred for some sequencing and digital-recording software, and another $500 - $whatever to get a decent sounding midi sound module. You're looking at somewhere around $3K for a decent computer based system. I personally am running a Mackie board into two ADAT XT's, and using an Akai MPC2000 for sampling, sequencing and drum machine. But I also just discovered the joys of editing in the digital realm, on the computer....it's nice to be able to highlight a mistake and press "delete". You could go either way. If I was in your position, I'd probably try to set it all up as a computer based system before going for tape. I will highly recommend the MPC as an extremely good, user-friendly workstation, and I can also recommend Phillips CDD-2600 cd-drives - I've burned about 200 discs so far on mine, and only one "coaster". Anyway, good luck. - Bill Crossedout@aol.com From ???@??? Wed Sep 16 01:38:56 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id AAA24576; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 00:04:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 00:04:08 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199809160352.UAA16434@condor.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.0c (197) Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 20:00:01 -0700 Subject: Re: Einstein's Physics Refuted: Matter Escapes From Black Hole! From: "Finley Sound Design" To: "Looper's Delight" Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"rH6Tt2.0.DZ4.7Np_r"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1664 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Kim said: >wow, I had to pinch myself to make sure I wasn't dreaming! Volume 1 is >actually done before volume 2!! great! > >Are there additional copies available, or a master from which we can make >more? I'd like to make it available for sale through the web site, with >proceeds going to the artists/producer and a pay-for-Looper's-Delight fund. >I think we can probably arrange additional production and ordering/shipping >through Matt McCabe, who's doing vol. 2. What do you guys think? I'm willing to help out....just let me know how you guys want me involved. Matt __________________________________ Matthew F. McCabe Finley Sound Design http://www.finleysound.com From ???@??? Wed Sep 16 01:39:21 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id EAA22338; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 04:24:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 04:24:10 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <35FF83BF.6B6F536B@vete.ucl.ac.be> Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 10:24:18 +0100 From: Malhomme Reply-To: malhomme@vete.ucl.ac.be X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [fr] (Macintosh; I; PPC) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: black hole References: <199809160705.DAA13937@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"3QJ5G2.0.yq4.DIt_r"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1665 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Of course I'd like to get one too, ray! Olivier Malhomme From ???@??? Wed Sep 16 10:41:32 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id MAA04421; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 12:55:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 12:55:27 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <057f01bde186$0be583a0$1bfe69c0@lynx.protek.co.uk> From: "Jon Thompson" To: Subject: Re: Home Studio Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 10:40:46 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"gOxMq.0.ql7.3g-_r"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1672 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >I am getting PISSED with the sound quality of computers and what not... so I >am thinking about getting the following things... > >1)digital 8 track >2) dat machine >3)standalone CDR >4)ASR-X pro > > >I make mixtapes, as well as produce beats and emcee... will this be enough >for quality work from home? I want to be able to do as much at home as >possible, and have no experience with any of the things I just named... ANY >ADVICE??? HELP??? IDEAs??? Also, what about microphones and other types of >cnnections? > >peace > > Add a Yamaha A3000 Version 2. cheers, Jon. -- From ???@??? Wed Sep 16 10:39:43 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id KAA08965; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 10:31:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 10:31:15 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: joseph devlin Message-Id: <199809161414.KAA27482@reno.WPI.EDU> Subject: Re: Jamman a couple of revisions To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 10:14:45 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <199809141437.KAA11091@reno.WPI.EDU> from "joseph devlin" at Sep 14, 98 10:37:27 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"OLT_71.0.gL.rUy_r"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1666 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > > > > > Hello, > > i have a jamman that i would like to sell. i payed about $550 > for it; it includes full memory expansion, power supply, > footswitch, and an art x-11 pedal board to send program change > messages. its in very good condition; no scratches or discolorations > or operational weirdness involved. the reason im trying to sell it > is because i payed a lot of money for it and ive realized i > just cant afford it. > > im not asking what i payed for it unless someones willing to > give me that much. i will listen to offers. > > thank you, > > joseph devlin > > hi, i have a couple of additions to make with regards to this forsale post. first, my arrangements to expand the device have fallen through, so this jamman is _not_ expanded. i know that this can be done for about $40, which was what i was going to do in the first place. now im not. second, i have received offers for $350. if the person who offered that is still interested in talking, i would ask him to please send me email. thank you, joseph devlin From ???@??? Wed Sep 16 10:39:49 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id KAA20260; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 10:56:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 10:56:13 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 10:35:15 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199809161435.KAA19733@user1.channel1.com> X-Sender: seahorse@user1.channel1.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Frank Gerace Subject: Re: best signal method? Resent-Message-ID: <"biezR1.0.Db2.3oy_r"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1667 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 03:54 PM 9/15/98 -0500, you wrote: >Brendan wrote: >>Hello all, >> In setting up a jam man for live rig, w/mixer, what >>would be the best way to put it in chain, so i can catch all instruments in >>loop? as an aux send, or on the main outs? > > Use the aux send/return on your mixer. Then you can adjust the fx >levels for each input into the mixer, and also, you can shut off the signal >to fx of a particular channel if you've got a loop going and want to solo a >particular instrument on top without adding it to the loop, while still >being able to add the other instruments to the loop. In addition, if you don't use the aux return,and instead use another channels input for the return signal, you have additional control over the jamman's output. EQ, additional (say stereo) effects if you have another aux. send. We use two Mackie 1202s (one for the vocals and one for the guitars) and we each have a JamMan. The vocals go into the JamMan thru aux send 1 of the Mackie and the output is returned into channel 2. Aux send two is a stereo reverb/delay, so we have a "stereo" loop and lead vocal signal. For the guitar, the signal path to the JamMan is the same (Aux 1 send for into to the JamMan and the output is routed to channel 2). Aux send 2 is an Echoplex which is returned to channel 3. This allows me to send signal to both from the guitar as well as sending the output of one looper to the inout of the other. I also have a Boss RSP-10 as the other part of the Aux 1. send signal chain (On the Mackie board, the aux sends are stereo, so using a Y cord, I have two mono devices on aux send 1). This allows me to send the return from the RSP-10 (which I use mainly for its backwards echo) to the Echoplex. The more you play around with the ideas, the more fun you have. Frank Gerace Dreamchild Dreamchild's first CD, Gates To the Sea is now available! http://www.channel1.com/users/seahorse http://www.channel1.com/users/seahorse/cd.html From ???@??? Wed Sep 16 10:41:09 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id LAA09393; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 11:48:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 11:48:17 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <2C396693FBDED111AEF60000F84104A71A6480@indyexch_fddi.indy.tce.com> From: Hoover Alan To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Home Studio Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 10:32:51 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"N9FyS.0.zx.bez_r"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1669 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com The last (October) Guitar Player magazine has reviews of four of these stand-alone digital recorders, including the Korg D8, plus "similar" products by Fostex, Yamaha, Roland. They are all quite different for capabilities, format, tradeoffs. There is also the product line from Event 1 (www.event1.com), consisting of plug-in modules for multi-channel PC recording plus a $299 condenser microphone that looks excellent. Haven't tried any of these. -----Original Message----- From: David Myers [mailto:dmgraph@earthlink.net] Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 1998 11:06 AM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Home Studio >well, just for starters, you're looking at around $1800-$2K for the 8 track, >another $600-900 for the DAT, another $500-1K for the burner, and another >$1200-1400 for the ASR-X (and these are way ballpark figures), so you're >looking at least $4,100 - $5,300 in gear. Assuming you don't need a mixer, so >in that case add another $500-$2500, depending on what kind of mixer you want. It doesn't have to be such a bummer, IMO. I'd recommend the Korg D8 8 track at $900, a Phillips CDR 870 stand-alone CDR recorder for $600, and forget the DAT. A Mackie 1202VLZ may do your mixing job and there are a lot of used ones at $250. I can't claim experience with the ASR-X or its competitors, sorry.... David Myers From ???@??? Wed Sep 16 10:41:18 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id MAA14722; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 12:02:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 12:02:21 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: GRAIGORY2@aol.com Message-ID: <1639fb7b.35ffde47@aol.com> Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 11:50:31 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Home Studio Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Resent-Message-ID: <"UFKNw.0.zT2.8vz_r"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1670 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 9/16/98 11:21:58 AM Eastern Daylight Time, dmgraph@earthlink.net writes: << forget the DAT >> I want to be able to create my beats at home, then have a quality copy to transfer over in the studio for vocals and mastering, then come home and burn my cds.... is there something that i can do that with besides a DAT? From ???@??? Wed Sep 16 10:40:22 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id LAA30388; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 11:19:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 11:19:18 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: dmgraph@mail.earthlink.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <13cec0c3.35ff1b41@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 11:05:32 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: David Myers Subject: Re: Home Studio Resent-Message-ID: <"y7eqU3.0.Gp5.RDz_r"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1668 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >well, just for starters, you're looking at around $1800-$2K for the 8 track, >another $600-900 for the DAT, another $500-1K for the burner, and another >$1200-1400 for the ASR-X (and these are way ballpark figures), so you're >looking at least $4,100 - $5,300 in gear. Assuming you don't need a mixer, so >in that case add another $500-$2500, depending on what kind of mixer you want. It doesn't have to be such a bummer, IMO. I'd recommend the Korg D8 8 track at $900, a Phillips CDR 870 stand-alone CDR recorder for $600, and forget the DAT. A Mackie 1202VLZ may do your mixing job and there are a lot of used ones at $250. I can't claim experience with the ASR-X or its competitors, sorry.... David Myers From ???@??? Wed Sep 16 10:42:04 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id NAA09934; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 13:09:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 13:09:28 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 12:50:20 -0400 X-Sender: robm@mailgate.nytimes.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <1639fb7b.35ffde47@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Robert Monn Subject: Re: Home Studio Resent-Message-ID: <"QIBXS1.0.UL.vk-_r"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1673 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com minidic works pretty well for me.... _________________________________ /robb monn -- robm@nytimes.com | From ???@??? Wed Sep 16 11:53:32 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id NAA26613; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 13:51:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 13:51:43 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: GRAIGORY2@aol.com Message-ID: <89db9b6.35fff5e2@aol.com> Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 13:31:14 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Equiptment Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Resent-Message-ID: <"WLJqo2.0.ha4.dN__r"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1675 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com What do you all think or have heard about the Layla Professional Digital Multitrack Recording System. From ???@??? Wed Sep 16 11:53:39 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id OAA00153; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 14:06:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 14:06:44 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 10:44:37 -0700 Message-ID: <001263A0.CE21407@wj.com> From: Mike.Biffle@wj.com (Mike Biffle) Subject: Re: MIDI amp channel switching To: "Looper's Delight" , "T.W. Hartnett" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Resent-Message-ID: <"QWBqH2.0.qG6.Le__r"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1676 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com The Digital Music Corp's. GCX Expander relay loop switcher will provide momentary and latching control of non midi items as well as having 8 mono relay loops for things fuzzboxes, preamps, dsp's etc. Mine's been working like a champ for years. best, -Miko Biffle ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: MIDI amp channel switching Author: "T.W. Hartnett" at INTERNET Date: 9/16/98 12:19 PM >Does anyone know if there is a device and or/interface that will >control standard amp footswitching via midi, >eg. I have no midi in on the amp just a footswitch jack. >regards >Rob There are several devices which would do this. The Rockman Octapus is a half-rack unit which will control up to 8 switching functions (channels, reverb, effects loop, whatever). They've been discontinued, but often show up on Harmony Central and the like for between $75 and $100. I believe Rocktron and Peavey made similiar units. Travis Hartnett From ???@??? Wed Sep 16 10:41:30 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id MAA04800; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 12:56:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 12:56:22 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <35FFF94A.DE3A5E94@magelang.com> Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 10:45:46 -0700 From: Jim Coker Reply-To: jcoker@magelang.com Organization: Magelang Institute X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Home Studio References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"GW-Y61.0.8c7.ue-_r"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1671 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com As an alternative, you might take a close look at the new Akai samplers, S5000 and S6000. They can both read samples directly from the hard drive (don't know how many at a time, but I'd expect at least 8), and the drive is formatted as DOS with WAV files. Add an external sequencer, and I think It would make an interesting alternative to a dedicated HD-recording system paired w/ a drum machine. Jim From ???@??? Wed Sep 16 11:53:59 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id OAA04915; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 14:17:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 14:17:13 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <2C396693FBDED111AEF60000F84104A71A6484@indyexch_fddi.indy.tce.com> From: Hoover Alan To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Equiptment Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 13:03:59 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"lgKdA3.0.Ck7.sr__r"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1677 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is one of the Event 1 products. They have others. See www.event1.com. -----Original Message----- From: GRAIGORY2@aol.com [mailto:GRAIGORY2@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 1998 12:31 PM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Equiptment What do you all think or have heard about the Layla Professional Digital Multitrack Recording System. From ???@??? Wed Sep 16 11:54:24 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id OAA12132; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 14:33:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 14:33:15 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 11:15:09 -0700 Message-ID: <00126440.CE21407@wj.com> From: Mike.Biffle@wj.com (Mike Biffle) Subject: Re[2]: MIDI amp channel switching To: "Looper's Delight" , "T.W. Hartnett" , Mike.Biffle@wj.com (Mike Biffle) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Resent-Message-ID: <"yTZkW2.0.-Q1.R400s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1678 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I forgot this... They will upgrade the GCX switcher to stereo loops. I think they'll only do this on up to four of them, but that's pretty substantial and opens the unit up to many more possibilities. Good stuff. -m ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: MIDI amp channel switching Author: Mike.Biffle@wj.com (Mike Biffle) at INTERNET Date: 9/16/98 10:44 AM The Digital Music Corp's. GCX Expander relay loop switcher will provide momentary and latching control of non midi items as well as having 8 mono relay loops for things fuzzboxes, preamps, dsp's etc. Mine's been working like a champ for years. best, -Miko Biffle ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: MIDI amp channel switching Author: "T.W. Hartnett" at INTERNET Date: 9/16/98 12:19 PM >Does anyone know if there is a device and or/interface that will >control standard amp footswitching via midi, >eg. I have no midi in on the amp just a footswitch jack. >regards >Rob There are several devices which would do this. The Rockman Octapus is a half-rack unit which will control up to 8 switching functions (channels, reverb, effects loop, whatever). They've been discontinued, but often show up on Harmony Central and the like for between $75 and $100. I believe Rocktron and Peavey made similiar units. Travis Hartnett From ???@??? Wed Sep 16 11:53:24 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id NAA19610; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 13:33:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 13:33:38 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199809161717.KAA14682@scv4.apple.com> Subject: MIDI amp channel switching Date: Wed, 16 Sep 98 12:19:46 -0600 x-sender: hartne.t@mail.apple.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: "T.W. Hartnett" To: "Looper's Delight" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <"EqW111.0.iu3.rG__r"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1674 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >Does anyone know if there is a device and or/interface that will >control standard amp footswitching via midi, >eg. I have no midi in on the amp just a footswitch jack. >regards >Rob There are several devices which would do this. The Rockman Octapus is a half-rack unit which will control up to 8 switching functions (channels, reverb, effects loop, whatever). They've been discontinued, but often show up on Harmony Central and the like for between $75 and $100. I believe Rocktron and Peavey made similiar units. Travis Hartnett From ???@??? Wed Sep 16 21:39:35 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id OAA17998; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 14:46:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 14:46:11 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 14:32:27 -0400 X-Sender: robm@mailgate.nytimes.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <1639fb7b.35ffde47@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Robert Monn Subject: Re: Home Studio Resent-Message-ID: <"0gOIq.0.Te2.eE00s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1679 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com (blush) i meant MiniDisc. ahem. The D/A A/D converters in many of the new models are fabulous... even though my Sony MZR50 has some noise and is compression based I find it's output sweeter by far than my Mac's builtin 16bit44k sound and very similar to the high-q outs of my audiomedia card (which should be about the best 16bit sound around.) Also I can use the MD to capture and store unlimited length seamless loops... I used a 55 sec loop of enviornmental sounds in a performance over the weekend, actually. All this might make it the perfect looper's companion. _________________________________ /robb monn -- robm@nytimes.com | From ???@??? Thu Sep 17 02:22:55 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id AAA12538; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 00:42:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 00:42:10 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: matthias@pop3.bahianet.com.br (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <057f01bde186$0be583a0$1bfe69c0@lynx.protek.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 15:56:21 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Home Studio Resent-Message-ID: <"y5bQ72.0.UC2.mz80s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1687 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >>I am getting PISSED with the sound quality of computers and what not... so >I >>am thinking about getting the following things... >> >>1)digital 8 track >>2) dat machine >>3)standalone CDR >>4)ASR-X pro these are all computers, too, in the end. Get a good sound card. I am very happy with Mac and Korg1212 From ???@??? Wed Sep 16 21:39:47 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id QAA27751; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 16:25:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 16:25:19 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <36001ADF.1E684029@bway.net> Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 16:09:03 -0400 From: Matthew Pierce X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Equiptment...Layla References: <89db9b6.35fff5e2@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"DUWU42.0.jR5.pk10s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1680 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com GRAIGORY2@aol.com wrote: > What do you all think or have heard about the Layla Professional Digital > Multitrack Recording System. I have one and love it...I also love Event. I had no problems installing it, running it, and paying the relatively low price (899$) for it. Then add the free software like CD Architect, very professional. I make a loop on my echoplex and if I like it I dump it right into the computer. This was my first jump into the digital age and I'm very happy I chose Layla. Check out their web site. I think it's Event.com or Event1.com. Matthew Pierce From ???@??? Wed Sep 16 21:40:06 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id SAA20141; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 18:22:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 18:22:52 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: GRAIGORY2@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 18:07:05 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Equiptment...Layla Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Resent-Message-ID: <"hUZU1.0.MF4.QQ30s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1681 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Microphones.... I have two regular PA mics (3 pin joints) and I am not really liking the way lyrics sounds coming from them... any suggestions on mic amps? or new mics? From ???@??? Wed Sep 16 21:40:27 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id TAA27820; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 19:11:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 19:11:33 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <2.2.32.19980916224930.009c89d4@pop.chromatic.com> X-Sender: kflint@pop.chromatic.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 15:49:30 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Home Studio Resent-Message-ID: <"YWgfX.0.hr5.V040s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1683 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 06:29 PM 9/16/98 -0500, you wrote: >>In a message dated 9/16/98 11:21:58 AM Eastern Daylight Time, >>dmgraph@earthlink.net writes: >> >><< forget the DAT >> >> >> >>I want to be able to create my beats at home, then have a quality copy to >>transfer over in the studio for vocals and mastering, then come home and burn >>my cds.... is there something that i can do that with besides a DAT? > >The "quality copy" could as easily be your own CD. Whether the studio can >give you a CD rather than DAT is the question.... > I've seen this discussion before on other lists.....I think a lot of studios are just DAT-centric, for better or worse. You might want to check with the studios you expect to work with, but it seems that owning a DAT is still useful. Eventually, you ought to be able to just transfer files over the internet, but I don't think we're quite there yet. kim ________________________________________________________ Kim Flint, MTS 408-752-9284 Chromatic Research kflint@chromatic.com http://www.chromatic.com From ???@??? Wed Sep 16 21:40:14 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id SAA23236; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 18:43:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 18:43:53 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: dmgraph@mail.earthlink.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <1639fb7b.35ffde47@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 18:29:57 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: David Myers Subject: Re: Home Studio Resent-Message-ID: <"s3KZW2.0.-65.Hk30s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1682 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >In a message dated 9/16/98 11:21:58 AM Eastern Daylight Time, >dmgraph@earthlink.net writes: > ><< forget the DAT >> > > >I want to be able to create my beats at home, then have a quality copy to >transfer over in the studio for vocals and mastering, then come home and burn >my cds.... is there something that i can do that with besides a DAT? The "quality copy" could as easily be your own CD. Whether the studio can give you a CD rather than DAT is the question.... From ???@??? Wed Sep 16 21:40:51 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id XAA26923; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 23:09:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 23:09:24 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199809170259.WAA15151@shell.monmouth.com> Reply-To: From: "andre" To: Subject: Re: midi to jack ? Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 22:55:03 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"gMSRt1.0.2A6.Di70s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1684 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > > Does anyone know if there is a device and or/interface that will > control standard amp footswitching via midi, > eg. I have no midi in on the amp just a footswitch jack. > regards > Rob the ol' rockman octopus, and rarer still, the three 'relay devices' by lake butler/midigator - all can respond to a midi prog change command. Each patch can contain any combination of eight on/off states, assignable to 1/4" jack - acceptable to many amplifier amp footswitches you see the rockman octopus used a lot peace, andre' From ???@??? Wed Sep 16 21:40:56 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id XAA00442; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 23:43:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 23:43:58 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Collins" To: Subject: To all into Different music Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 23:31:34 -0400 Message-ID: <01bde1eb$ab8ab3c0$6c1cbfa8@0QHC6SIA> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"9TEwi1.0.Uf7.CC80s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1685 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hello all, Jeff here again...just to let all of you out there who are into some strange and beautiful...and sometimes downright ugly music. Boy have i found the site for you... http://cyberbuzz.gatech.edu/wrek/wrek.html A program that plays a lot of very ambient music called "FRICTION" and an amazingly scary program called "DESTROY ALL MUSIC". This station has some pretty great stuff, for those of us into it. By the way I'd like to thank Jeff Duke for introducing me to this online radio station. Jeff Collins From ???@??? Wed Sep 16 21:41:01 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id AAA06766; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 00:16:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 00:16:29 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <36008B58.58FC@mindspring.com> Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 21:08:56 -0700 From: Jim Poppen X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: To all into Different music References: <01bde1eb$ab8ab3c0$6c1cbfa8@0QHC6SIA> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"pb0AJ.0.1G1.Vi80s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1686 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com re: "Destroy All Music"... !!!Holy Saxophonomania!@#!*!!! Whoever did that piece should either be shot or given a Pulitzer prize, can't decide which... :-) Thanks for the pointer! Jim Collins wrote: > > Hello all, > Jeff here again...just to let all of you out there who are into some > strange and beautiful...and sometimes downright ugly music. Boy have i found > the site for you... > > http://cyberbuzz.gatech.edu/wrek/wrek.html > > A program that plays a lot of very ambient music called "FRICTION" and an > amazingly scary program called "DESTROY ALL MUSIC". This station has some > pretty great stuff, for those of us into it. > > By the way I'd like to thank Jeff Duke for introducing me to this online > radio station. > Jeff Collins From ???@??? Thu Sep 17 02:22:57 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id AAA13051; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 00:44:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 00:44:37 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <5cbd3c9e.36009212@aol.com> Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 00:37:38 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: To all into Different music Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 170 Resent-Message-ID: <"4Rv8S3.0.Lq2.I890s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1688 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 9/17/98 2:45:31 AM Mid-Atlantic Daylight Time, collinsclan@sprintmail.com writes: << collinsclan@sprintmail.com >> From ???@??? Thu Sep 17 02:22:59 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id BAA17533; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 01:03:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 01:03:03 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <1a1e3b23.3600963b@aol.com> Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 00:55:23 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: To all into Different music Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 170 Resent-Message-ID: <"oxt8J2.0.tq3.iO90s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1689 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com sorry about my last post.....hit the wrong key.......michael From ???@??? Thu Sep 17 02:23:04 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id BAA24270; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 01:35:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 01:35:49 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: matthias@pop3.bahianet.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.19980915154110.0072dd94@mail.dada.it> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 02:43:40 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: groovesamplers Resent-Message-ID: <"Lmv-O2.0.Qg5.Pu90s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1690 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I wonder which samplers play best with which looper. I changed my mind and would like to take a HD full of drum loops (sampled from african and southamerican drum bands!) on stage to create some "dancing ambient" improvised popular instrumental music :-) So I imagine, the sampler should be able to keep looping those samples at their full lengh and send a sync to the looper each time the sample reaches the end. Is that possible? Or do you loop the samples in the looper? Its what I do now, from CD, but I could do it more acurate on the computer and have the looper free and have it stereo if it came directly from a sample player. Thank you for advice and creativity Matthias From ???@??? Thu Sep 17 02:23:05 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id BAA24925; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 01:39:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 01:39:37 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: matthias@pop3.bahianet.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199809161717.KAA14682@scv4.apple.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 02:45:51 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: MIDI amp channel switching Resent-Message-ID: <"5fKAu1.0.zj5.Tw90s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1691 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >>Does anyone know if there is a device and or/interface that will >>control standard amp footswitching via midi, >>eg. I have no midi in on the amp just a footswitch jack. >>regards >>Rob > >There are several devices which would do this. The Rockman Octapus is a >half-rack unit which will control up to 8 switching functions (channels, >reverb, effects loop, whatever). They've been discontinued, but often >show up on Harmony Central and the like for between $75 and $100. I >believe Rocktron and Peavey made similiar units. I need such stuff, too. Would be better even with a fader to blend two channels together or pan the plex outputs. I guess Doepfer is good on that. Any experiences? From ???@??? Thu Sep 17 02:23:17 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id EAA26992; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 04:15:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 04:15:35 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Sender: camao@camsg001.camb.scee.sony.co.uk Message-ID: <3600C2AC.59E43271@scee.sony.co.uk> Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 09:05:00 +0100 From: Os X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (X11; I; IRIX 6.3 IP32) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Equiptment References: <89db9b6.35fff5e2@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"GsRCU.0.YE6.XCC0s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1692 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com GRAIGORY2@aol.com wrote: > > What do you all think or have heard about the Layla Professional Digital > Multitrack Recording System. For lots of user opinion, check out alt.steinberg.cubase In summary, everyone hates Event for not releasing drivers for a year after they said they would. -- Os os@scee.sony.co.uk os@collective.co.uk http://www.collective.co.uk/ From ???@??? Fri Sep 18 09:43:06 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id JAA28751; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 09:42:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 09:42:26 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3600D537.42AB974@vete.ucl.ac.be> Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 10:24:08 +0100 From: Malhomme Reply-To: malhomme@vete.ucl.ac.be X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [fr] (Macintosh; I; PPC) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: groove sampling References: <199809170705.DAA11846@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"LMPQp3.0.2d5.u1c0s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1711 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I've been thinking of the same thing. Eventually my choice is turning me to the ESI 4000 from Emu, which a low price and a quality of sound no A3000 can even hope to have. The filter section is a dream. Anyway, thgat can be huge to have also to handle a sampler on stage while playing guitar... I tested not long ago (2 weeks) a new Roland thing which is a a kind of octapad, whith -waow!- 8 pads, several hundreds of sounds, and loops. You can create your own loops and the sounds are pretty incredible, really and extremely dynamic. So, it can add the thing of people seeing you perform the "rythm loop" and then add other instruments on it, or you can prerecord your percussion loop and then make it start when you want it. It coast about us $700, I think. Olivier Malhomme From ???@??? Thu Sep 17 10:19:49 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id FAA15437; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 05:52:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 05:52:06 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3600C2AC.59E43271@scee.sony.co.uk> References: <89db9b6.35fff5e2@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 02:27:12 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Equiptment Resent-Message-ID: <"a6tS72.0.7W2.1PD0s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1693 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 1:05 AM -0700 9/17/98, Os wrote: >GRAIGORY2@aol.com wrote: >> >> What do you all think or have heard about the Layla Professional Digital >> Multitrack Recording System. > >For lots of user opinion, check out alt.steinberg.cubase > >In summary, everyone hates Event for not releasing drivers for a year >after they said they would. took them about a year to release Layla after they first announced it, maybe there's a pattern? :-) kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Thu Sep 17 10:19:51 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id FAA15664; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 05:53:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 05:53:02 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <2.2.32.19980917094411.006fe844@mail.dada.it> X-Sender: cavallo@mail.dada.it X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 11:44:11 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Leonardo Cavallo Subject: Re: groovesamplers Resent-Message-ID: <"f-dWM.0.dP3.JfD0s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1694 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 02.43 17/09/98 -0300, you wrote: >I wonder which samplers play best with which looper. > >I changed my mind and would like to take a HD full of drum loops (sampled >from african and southamerican drum bands!) on stage to create some >"dancing ambient" improvised popular instrumental music :-) > >So I imagine, the sampler should be able to keep looping those samples at >their full lengh and send a sync to the looper each time the sample reaches >the end. Is that possible? > Hi Matthias I think any good sampler with a seq (internale or dedicated device) should do the work. the seq should sync the sampler AND the looper to the same bar lenght. In this way you could play your loops over perfectly synchronized sampled grooves. >for >Or do you loop the samples in the looper? Its what I do now, from CD Knowing how a good seq can be rock solid about time (and having sadly experienced sample drifting due to bad sync) I don't think this approach is quite accurate. all the latest sampler seem to have good sequencing capabilities inside. go for it... ciao leo From ???@??? Thu Sep 17 10:20:05 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id JAA29810; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 09:21:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 09:21:11 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: From: David Kirkdorffer To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, Loopers-Delight-d@annihilist.com Subject: Looping Music to Transition Seasons Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 08:48:59 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"Ik5WN1.0.Pl5.4NG0s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1695 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com A change of seasons is about to hit us. Here in Boston, we can expect only a few more beautiful days like today. Do any of you have musical recommendations (with looping content, please) to help us transition from one season to the next? David K From ???@??? Thu Sep 17 10:20:09 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id JAA00189; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 09:35:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 09:35:41 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <00bb01bde23f$2a249720$d76703cf@rjiredff> From: "Jonathan Brainin" To: Subject: Fw: ROLAND GP-100 Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 09:27:58 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2120.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2120.0 Resent-Message-ID: <"e9st82.0.Dk7.6xG0s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1696 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In xase anyone is liiking for one: -----Original Message----- From: YESepb52995@csun.edu Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.marketplace Date: Wednesday, September 16, 1998 9:49 PM Subject: FS: ROLAND GP-100 >$499 +Shipping > >Remove "YES" to respond From ???@??? Thu Sep 17 10:20:15 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id LAA19105; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 11:09:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 11:09:57 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <36011FCC.41023C0A@bway.net> Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 10:42:20 -0400 From: Matthew Pierce X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Equiptment...Layla References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"X8_BW1.0.IT3.M2I0s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1697 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com With regard to Layla: As far as their untimely announcements I only heard about this much later so it didn't bother me as I wasn't waiting for one, but I must say that Event has set a new industry precedent; get the hype going by announcing the product and then don't release it right away...what is this a new marketing strategy? I must say though, for all this b.s. they have a solid product. My pc setup includes 128 Ram, 3 gig hard running Cakewalk so I literally record the loop by muting then sampler style (one), record the one pass and let cakewalk do the looping after adjusting the tempo. I'm a violinist and my absolutely mostest favoritest mic for recording and live comes from the world of horns...the ATM-35 miniature condenser with a gooseneck clip 'cause I can't afford anything else, but even if I had a Neumann I have a noisy apartment (no excuse really). I don't have a mic pre but would buy a joe meek if I could. I can't recommend this mic highly enough, it's my secret weapon and especially if you're a fiddle player. You know, electric's sound horrible. Matthew Pierce From ???@??? Thu Sep 17 10:20:17 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id LAA20174; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 11:15:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 11:15:04 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: GRAIGORY2@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 11:00:27 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Equiptment Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Resent-Message-ID: <"8fbKS.0.OG4.bHI0s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1698 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 9/17/98 6:31:06 AM Eastern Daylight Time, os@scee.sony.co.uk writes: << alt.steinberg.cubase >> how do I get there? From ???@??? Thu Sep 17 10:20:31 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id LAA21540; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 11:21:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 11:21:34 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: GRAIGORY2@aol.com Message-ID: <1bec18ab.360125d9@aol.com> Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 11:08:09 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Home Studio Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Resent-Message-ID: <"r_0Qr2.0.Cc4.eNI0s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1699 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I was thinking of getting the layla system for my computer, and someone told me that you can share a SCSI bus in between an mpc2000 and a PC, so that you can exchange files easy... true? From ???@??? Thu Sep 17 10:20:38 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id MAA30104; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 12:04:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 12:04:38 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199809171550.LAA27949@shell.monmouth.com> Reply-To: From: "andre" To: Subject: Re: Home Studio Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 11:46:05 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"I2gnr1.0.fh6.F_I0s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1700 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com ---------- > From: Robert Monn > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Subject: Re: Home Studio > Date: Wednesday, September 16, 1998 12:50 PM > > minidic works pretty well for me.... bummer!! sorry to hear ya got a "minidic" LOL. andre' From ???@??? Thu Sep 17 10:20:53 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id MAA04752; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 12:47:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 12:47:07 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Collins" To: Subject: Re: To all into Different music Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 12:27:46 -0400 Message-ID: <01bde258$1a71b1a0$171cbfa8@0QHC6SIA> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"w6cVu1.0.3Q.qZJ0s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1703 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Jim, I found out from forwarding through those amazing sense stunners that it is Evan Parker with a piece titled "FINGERPRINTS". I actually thought it was John Zorn...then i waited and forwarded through and was definitely shocked. Jeff -----Original Message----- From: Jim Poppen To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Thursday, September 17, 1998 12:16 AM Subject: Re: To all into Different music >re: "Destroy All Music"... !!!Holy Saxophonomania!@#!*!!! Whoever did >that piece should either be shot or given a Pulitzer prize, can't decide >which... :-) > >Thanks for the pointer! > >Jim > >Collins wrote: >> >> Hello all, >> Jeff here again...just to let all of you out there who are into some >> strange and beautiful...and sometimes downright ugly music. Boy have i found >> the site for you... >> >> http://cyberbuzz.gatech.edu/wrek/wrek.html >> >> A program that plays a lot of very ambient music called "FRICTION" and an >> amazingly scary program called "DESTROY ALL MUSIC". This station has some >> pretty great stuff, for those of us into it. >> >> By the way I'd like to thank Jeff Duke for introducing me to this online >> radio station. >> Jeff Collins > > From ???@??? Thu Sep 17 10:20:47 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id MAA31973; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 12:15:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 12:15:22 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "William A. Cummings" To: Subject: RE: Home Studio Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 12:05:32 -0500 Message-ID: <002a01bde25d$610a41e0$1064a8c0@bill-s-computer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 In-Reply-To: <1639fb7b.35ffde47@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: <"ZPxXR1.0.Nw6.u3J0s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1701 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Well, you could do all this with just the ASRX, and walk into the studio with it under your arm. You'd also need a scsi Zip or Jaz drive for storing your stuff on, although you might be able to get by just using the built in floppies if your only doing drum sequencing. IMHO, the X is the best sounding unit of its type. It also has 40 ultra high quality FX built in, sampling and re-sampling, 16 track sequencer, and more. Do be aware that the new ASRX-Pro is about to be released any minute, so the stores are blowing out the original ASRX (its BLACK) turbo versions at $1000. or so. The deals will probably get even better once the new Pro model (it's RED) hits the shelf, (I think), as the original model has been phased out of production. I own the original model with the 8-out expander, scsi (of course), 34 MB max memory installed, and also the exp-3 "Dance" chip installed, and I'm very happy with it ! Bill Cummings -----Original Message----- From: GRAIGORY2@aol.com [mailto:GRAIGORY2@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 1998 10:51 AM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Home Studio In a message dated 9/16/98 11:21:58 AM Eastern Daylight Time, dmgraph@earthlink.net writes: << forget the DAT >> I want to be able to create my beats at home, then have a quality copy to transfer over in the studio for vocals and mastering, then come home and burn my cds.... is there something that i can do that with besides a DAT? From ???@??? Thu Sep 17 10:20:49 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id MAA02815; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 12:35:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 12:35:38 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "William A. Cummings" To: Subject: RE: Home Studio Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 12:15:54 -0500 Message-ID: <002b01bde25e$d39ac260$1064a8c0@bill-s-computer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 In-Reply-To: <1bec18ab.360125d9@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: <"plQrt1.0.zP7.bDJ0s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1702 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com You can do this with the ASRX too. One other product you might want to look at is ACID by sonic foundry. A wicked PC program that lets you do amazing things with loops and beats. It's easy to use too. BTW, there is a substantial learning curve with most hardware (I'm thinking of Samplers and HD recorders here), and most software (such as sequencers, i.e. cubase). I've had my X and Cubase for 6 months or so, and I'm still digging deep to get to the more advanced functions, but it does get easier as I go along. I do think ACID is relatively easy to use by comparison. Bill Cummings -----Original Message----- From: GRAIGORY2@aol.com [mailto:GRAIGORY2@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, September 17, 1998 10:08 AM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Home Studio I was thinking of getting the layla system for my computer, and someone told me that you can share a SCSI bus in between an mpc2000 and a PC, so that you can exchange files easy... true? From ???@??? Fri Sep 18 00:26:37 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id PAA32004; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 15:09:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 15:09:29 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Crossedout@aol.com Message-ID: <4cc4fea8.36015c05@aol.com> Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 14:59:17 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Home Studio Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Resent-Message-ID: <"gW0An3.0.HN7.GmL0s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1704 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 9/17/98 10:24:15 AM Central Daylight Time, GRAIGORY2@aol.com writes: << I was thinking of getting the layla system for my computer, and someone told me that you can share a SCSI bus in between an mpc2000 and a PC, so that you can exchange files easy... true? >> check www.akaipro.com for MPC specs... The MPC does have a 25-pin SCSI port on it, and it will read .wav audio and write it too (with the new 1.7 software, also on the website). I don't know how well it will hook up with a computer since I haven't tried it. But theoretically, it should be able to. Good luck. - Bill Crossedout@aol.com From ???@??? Fri Sep 18 00:26:50 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id QAA12206; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 16:14:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 16:14:44 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Sender: mpeters@csi.com Message-ID: <01BDE285.CCD7BBA0.mpeters@csi.com> From: Michael Peters To: "'Andre LaFosse'" , "'Loopers Delight'" , "'raül bonell tomàs'" , "'Ray Peck'" , "'Rich Rath'" , "'Jeffrey Weinberger'" To: "'Alessandro Staiti'" , "'Peter Wassong'" , "'goldtri-digest'" , "'Mark Dodd'" , "'William Frederick II'" , "'Skip Acuff'" To: "'bilg@worldnet.att.net'" , "'Vladimir Jovanovic'" , "'michael halcyon'" , "'Andrew Hollo'" , "'Ambient-Digest'" , "'ENAT21213@aol.com'" To: "'Paolo Valladolid'" , "'Entropy Music'" , "'NerveNet'" , "'Powerspot'" , "'Michael Rüsenberg'" , "'Randy A. 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At times the music is so powerful it will send shivers up your spine, alternately it will waft over you like the darkness of sleep." --------------------------- More details, realaudio, guestbook and order information at http://listen.to/michaelpeters From ???@??? Fri Sep 18 00:27:42 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id UAA03478; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 20:18:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 20:18:50 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: siforte@ix.netcom.com Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 19:10:56 -0500 (CDT) X-Sender: siforte@popd.ix.netcom.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Equiptment...Layla Resent-Message-ID: <"m66WV2.0.k-7.AKQ0s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1707 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 10:42 AM 9/17/98, Matthew Pierce wrote: >As far as their untimely announcements I only heard about this much later so it >didn't bother me as I wasn't waiting for one, but I must say that Event has set >a new industry precedent; get the hype going by announcing the product and then >don't release it right away...what is this a new marketing strategy? I must say >though, for all this b.s. they have a solid product. ---------------- The main reason for this kind of vaporware hype from day one has been to keep the potential buyer tantakized and create desire. If the technology's promise pushes the buyer's buttons, then s/he won't buy anything else (read: competing product) until the "promise" is delivered. There are usually legitimate delays as well, but marketers play mostly on the buyer's weaknesses. Think about it - for just about everyone on this mailing list, the imagined "right" synth is desire incarnate. Now, if I could only justify 6K for Scope. :) Sanford From ???@??? Fri Sep 18 00:27:44 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id UAA15022; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 20:41:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 20:41:49 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <2.2.32.19980918003331.00e7e930@pop.chromatic.com> X-Sender: kflint@pop.chromatic.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 17:33:31 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Equiptment...Layla Resent-Message-ID: <"4beEx1.0.3R2.zdQ0s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1708 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 07:10 PM 9/17/98 -0500, siforte@ix.netcom.com wrote: >At 10:42 AM 9/17/98, Matthew Pierce wrote: > >>As far as their untimely announcements I only heard about this much later so it >>didn't bother me as I wasn't waiting for one, but I must say that Event has set >>a new industry precedent; get the hype going by announcing the product and then >>don't release it right away...what is this a new marketing strategy? I must say >>though, for all this b.s. they have a solid product. >---------------- >The main reason for this kind of vaporware hype from day one has been to >keep the potential buyer tantakized and create desire. If the technology's >promise pushes the buyer's buttons, then s/he won't buy anything else >(read: competing product) until the "promise" is delivered. > >There are usually legitimate delays as well, but marketers play mostly on >the buyer's weaknesses. Also known as FUD - Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt. Also a good way to scare potential competitors from getting into a market, if they don't think they could match your vapor product. Or scaring stores and distributors from stocking the competition. Great fun! kim ps: don't forget to vote Eric Cartman in Time's person of the century award ballot: http://cgi.pathfinder.com/time/time100/poc/century.html ________________________________________________________ Kim Flint, MTS 408-752-9284 Chromatic Research kflint@chromatic.com http://www.chromatic.com From ???@??? Fri Sep 18 00:27:41 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id TAA22207; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 19:48:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 19:48:49 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3601AC8A.5666284D@magelang.com> Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 17:42:50 -0700 From: Jim Coker Reply-To: jcoker@magelang.com Organization: Magelang Institute X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Equiptment...Layla References: <36011FCC.41023C0A@bway.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"hH5V62.0.NJ4.6sP0s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1706 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Matthew Pierce wrote: > > With regard to Layla: > > As far as their untimely announcements I only heard about this much later so it > didn't bother me as I wasn't waiting for one, but I must say that Event has set > a new industry precedent; get the hype going by announcing the product and then > don't release it right away...what is this a new marketing strategy? I must say > though, for all this b.s. they have a solid product. > I think this new profusion of vaporware (MOTU 2408, Mackie D8B, etc.) is to be expected, as these products become more complex, interact in complex ways with other equipment, and especially when hooked up to a PC. I heard a rumor that the major reason for the 2408 shipping delay was for writing the PC drivers. Personally, I try not to depend on manufacturer shipping dates, but do like to know of new things ahead of time. Sometimes it is worth waiting a while for a better product. Jim From ???@??? Fri Sep 18 00:28:24 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id XAA00981; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 23:51:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 23:51:38 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Reply-To: From: "Javier Miranda V." To: Subject: RE: Equipment Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 19:19:45 -0700 Message-ID: <000101bde2aa$cda4f6e0$d41e8ed1@electra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"lIk9q.0.qI7.4ST0s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1709 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com You need a news reader, like Outlook Express, and hook up through your ISP's newsgroups, or Use your browser and connect via http://www.talkworks.com. They serve you the whole newsgroup in a WebPages. They're hot. You can also do searches on newsgroups via http://www.dejanews.com. | -----Original Message----- | From: GRAIGORY2@aol.com [mailto:GRAIGORY2@aol.com] | Sent: Thursday 17 September 1998 8:00 AM | To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com | Subject: Re: Equipment | | | In a message dated 9/17/98 6:31:06 AM Eastern Daylight Time, | os@scee.sony.co.uk writes: | | << alt.steinberg.cubase >> | | how do I get there? | | From ???@??? Fri Sep 18 09:42:39 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id FAA06800; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 05:10:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 05:10:03 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <360221F0.FB07BE93@musician.org> Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 02:03:50 -0700 From: eric potter Reply-To: eric@musician.org Organization: Hog Wild Music and Sound FX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Looping Music to Transition Seasons References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"SFzWo3.0.gP.x4Y0s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1710 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Go outside with a portable recorder and a skechpad. Find a place to sit, breathe deeply and when you're ready sing tones or make vocal sounds into the tape or even describe the feeling of the atmosphere. Sketch a visual representation of the feeliing and vibe of the environment, maybe draw some waves that look like the sound you might be imagining as you're there. The idea is to intensify your awareness and deepen your experience while you are there, then bring everything back home and start sketching the soundscape, both working from memory and referring to your field notes. I miss New England, especially right about now. Actually, noticing the change of seasons in Southern California can be VERY sensitizing. If your not paying attention, you'll eventually look around and wonder what season it is. eric p David Kirkdorffer wrote: > A change of seasons is about to hit us. Here in Boston, we can expect only > a few more beautiful days like today. > > Do any of you have musical recommendations (with looping content, please) to > help us transition from one season to the next? > > David K From ???@??? Fri Sep 18 09:43:26 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id JAA03944; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 09:58:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 09:58:49 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <2C396693FBDED111AEF60000F84104A71A6497@indyexch_fddi.indy.tce.com> From: Hoover Alan To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: Testing Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 08:51:25 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"VzE4w3.0.E8.fLc0s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1712 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Testing From ???@??? Fri Sep 18 23:48:58 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id NAA29498; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 13:43:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 13:43:52 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3602974F.21A2ABC@worldnet.att.net> Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 13:24:32 -0400 From: Jason Lescalleet Organization: head of the maja X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5b1 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: new LP of Loops References: <2C396693FBDED111AEF60000F84104A71A6497@indyexch_fddi.indy.tce.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"tX2dY.0.CH6.Waf0s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1713 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com check out this record! it's a compilation of 500 artists, each artist submitting a loop for one groove on the record. that's right, 250 locked grooves on each side. put the needle in a groove, and it will play that loop forever (or until you move the needle to another groove). this record is sure to sell out. (the 100 groove 7" is long-gone) artists include: aube jan werner l@n toy bizarre zoviet france p.a.l. #/tau noisex the doo-dooettes gov't alpha jad fair tom dimuzio princess dragon-mom his name is alive voice crack grunt impact test evil moisture ashtray navigations agoraphobic nosebleed lull deerhoof dissecting table japanese torture comedy hour sudden infant bertoia terry riley derek bailey red krayola john oswald schloss tegal free kitten rehberg and bauer artificial memory trace skin crime faxed head the haters amk macronympha chop shop lee renaldo john wiggins jerome noetinger rlw en nihil pain jerk naj runzelstirn and gurgelstock sonic youth smell and quim msbr crank sturgeon cock e.s.p. and too many more! reply to order your copy for ten bucks. jason From ???@??? Fri Sep 18 23:48:44 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id OAA25560; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 14:57:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 14:57:35 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 11:34:08 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: some good Echoplex news from oberheim Resent-Message-ID: <"QjGLA1.0.DA4.oVg0s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1714 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Despite the fun we all would have had rushing to the store to buy the last echoplexes on earth, and bidding the used prices up into the stratosphere, looks like the 'plex has survived the recent "adjustments" at Gibson and Oberheim. Here's the news: At 6:49 AM -0700 9/18/98, Michael Ayers wrote: >Hi, Kim; > >Good news to pass on to your Echoplex devotees. Beginning next week, >Oberheim will once again be manufacturing and shipping the Echoplex. >Evidently, the unit was so popular that Gibson couldn't bring itself to end >it. > >We will also have tech support and repair here in Nashville. > >Probably best of all, we're working on a deal which will allow all >authorized Gibson dealers to receive and sell the Echoplex, not just >Oberheim dealers. > >I'll keep you posted. >Take care, >Michael Ayers ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Fri Sep 18 23:48:54 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id QAA06355; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 16:47:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 16:47:50 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 16:36:03 -0400 From: buzzard@world.std.com (Sean T Barrett) Message-Id: <199809182036.AA18066@world.std.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: some good Echoplex news from oberheim Resent-Message-ID: <"oBeQ71.0.6L.EGi0s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1715 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com So Kim, does this mean you have to go down and 'train' a new batch of employees? Sean From ???@??? Fri Sep 18 23:49:10 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id TAA13637; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 19:40:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 19:40:29 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Collins" To: Subject: Re: some good Echoplex news from oberheim Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 19:24:55 -0400 Message-ID: <01bde35b$8b449a60$171cbfa8@0QHC6SIA> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"yVE1W2.0.es1.qmk0s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1716 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thanks Kim, I'm glad to hear that. Too bad Lexicon didn't find out the same thing about the JamMan's popularity. Jeff Collins -----Original Message----- From: Kim Flint To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Friday, September 18, 1998 2:58 PM Subject: some good Echoplex news from oberheim >Despite the fun we all would have had rushing to the store to buy the last >echoplexes on earth, and bidding the used prices up into the stratosphere, >looks like the 'plex has survived the recent "adjustments" at Gibson and >Oberheim. Here's the news: > >At 6:49 AM -0700 9/18/98, Michael Ayers wrote: >>Hi, Kim; >> >>Good news to pass on to your Echoplex devotees. Beginning next week, >>Oberheim will once again be manufacturing and shipping the Echoplex. >>Evidently, the unit was so popular that Gibson couldn't bring itself to end >>it. >> >>We will also have tech support and repair here in Nashville. >> >>Probably best of all, we're working on a deal which will allow all >>authorized Gibson dealers to receive and sell the Echoplex, not just >>Oberheim dealers. >> >>I'll keep you posted. >>Take care, >>Michael Ayers > >______________________________________________________________________ >Kim Flint | Looper's Delight >kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html >http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > > > From ???@??? Fri Sep 18 23:49:23 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id VAA08970; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 21:44:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 21:44:05 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: GRAIGORY2@aol.com Message-ID: <1ff7e598.36030afe@aol.com> Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 21:38:06 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: CDRs Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Resent-Message-ID: <"iOFmZ2.0.YX1.Qhm0s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1717 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Which do you all feel is better... computer based, or stand alone CDR drives? and what are your views on the following: 1) Phillips cdd-2600 and 2) Phillips cdr 870 3) Smart and Friendly CD Rocket 8x20 CD-Recorder From ???@??? Sat Sep 19 18:34:54 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id CAA01622; Sat, 19 Sep 1998 02:59:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 02:59:04 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199809190649.BAA19578@supermail.globaldialog.com> Subject: Re: CDRs Date: Sat, 19 Sep 98 01:46:52 -0000 x-sender: camuscar@pop.globaldialog.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0, March 15, 1997 From: To: "Looper's Delight" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <"lJutC3.0.Dj6.hEr0s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1721 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >Which do you all feel is better... computer based, or stand alone CDR drives? > >and what are your views on the following: > >1) Phillips cdd-2600 I have a 2600 (APS). It's great, I've burned about 1000 CDRs or more on it, no problems. I love APS stuff too, works great with Macs. and 2) Phillips cdr 870 >3) Smart and Friendly CD Rocket >8x20 CD-Recorder > From ???@??? Fri Sep 18 23:49:30 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id XAA14176; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 23:05:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 23:05:34 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <36031EC2.1925F1FB@texas.net> Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 22:02:28 -0500 From: Bobdog Catlin Reply-To: psbuddha@texas.net Organization: Pseudo Buddha/Doghouse Ent. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: CDRs References: <1ff7e598.36030afe@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"ALDzD1.0.oi2.vtn0s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1718 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com hi graigory - i use a panasonic 7502 4x8 w/a mac. it came bundled w/toast which i feel is somewhat weak; i'll be getting jam soon. it seems to me tht there are better burning programs for pc than for mac. *does anyone have suggestions for mac based burning software????* i have not been impressed w/the stand alone cd burners, more expensive blanks limited to real time burning only it's less expensive hardware-wise, though. i've been *real* impressed w/smart & friendly burners, but i can't afford one right now. From ???@??? Fri Sep 18 23:49:35 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id AAA31438; Sat, 19 Sep 1998 00:53:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 00:53:06 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: doug@mail.lightlink.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <1ff7e598.36030afe@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 23:33:54 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Doug Wyatt Subject: Re: CDRs Resent-Message-ID: <"V4E993.0.VB7.GUp0s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1720 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 21:38 -0400 9/18/98, GRAIGORY2@aol.com wrote: > Which do you all feel is better... computer based, or stand alone CDR drives? > > and what are your views on the following: > > 1) Phillips cdd-2600 and 2) Phillips cdr 870 > 3) Smart and Friendly CD Rocket > 8x20 CD-Recorder What I like about my computer-based CD-R drive is that I can back up and archive my computer files and my sampler's hard disk, as well as create audio CD's. I use a Ricoh CD-RW (not as cool as it used to be when CD-R blanks cost more) on a Mac with Adaptec's Toast (fine for everything except audio) and Jam (good for audio). I've tried Digidesign's program, but it refuses to work with my drive, saying that I need new firmware. Toast and Jam don't seem to mind (nor did the CD manufacturer). Jam is pretty cool, you have a fair amount of control over spacing and crossfades between tracks, and you can audition everything before burning a disc. What's best for you depends on how you're making your masters. If you're recording, mixing and/or mastering on the computer, then it's likely that burning CD's from the computer will be a logical extension of what you're already doing. On the other hand, if you don't already have a way to get CD-quality audio into the computer, then you'd need an audio card and 650 MB of hard disk space as well as the burner. The standalone unit makes sense, I suppose, in an environment where computer file backup and transfer isn't so important and you're doing more work away from the computer. Doug -- Doug Wyatt doug@sonosphere.com Sonosphere (electric/improv music) http://www.sonosphere.com/ "Accidental Beauties" CD release: http://www.sonosphere.com/wyatt/ available from CMC, 1-800-882-4262 http://www.MusicDiscoveries.com/ From ???@??? Fri Sep 18 23:49:33 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id AAA16483; Sat, 19 Sep 1998 00:16:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 00:16:12 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 00:09:50 -0400 (EDT) From: Rob Monn To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: CDRs and the mac In-Reply-To: <36031EC2.1925F1FB@texas.net> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"3nRH02.0.e-2.pto0s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1719 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Having spent some time burnin on the mac and pc I have to interject here and say that the mac is where it's at here. toast is a great burner as long as you don't have to crossfade anything... if you do pick up Jam, it makes master ready redbook cds with all the codes fit to burn. between those two apps there really isn't anything you can't do (except burn copies of some cds with more than 10,000 files on them.) I can't say enough about these two mac based apps. also, toast will let you copy direct from cd to cd and even let you line up a bunch of tracks without extracting them and feed it the cds one at a time as it burns... very handy for mix discs. my $.02 long live the mac. From ???@??? Sat Sep 19 18:35:08 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id IAA31994; Sat, 19 Sep 1998 08:34:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 08:34:52 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Sender: mpeters@csi.com Message-ID: <01BDE3D9.7DFE7B40.mpeters@csi.com> From: Michael Peters To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: AW: new LP of Loops Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 14:07:58 +0200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-Mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"dVKcR2.0.d27.UEw0s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1722 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > reply to order your copy for ten bucks. I want one. Please send me the details. * michael peters mpeters@csi.com * "escape veloopity" electronic guitar loop music * http://listen.to/michaelpeters From ???@??? Sat Sep 19 18:35:10 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id JAA19304; Sat, 19 Sep 1998 09:06:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 09:06:42 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: KelRey@aol.com Message-ID: <570a538b.3603aa0f@aol.com> Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 08:56:47 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Re: CDRs Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 84 Resent-Message-ID: <"-PGhs3.0.QE3.Dew0s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1723 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 9/19/98 4:54:08 AM, you wrote: << I use a Ricoh CD-RW (not as cool as it used to be when CD-R blanks cost more) on a Mac with Adaptec's Toast (fine for everything except audio) and Jam (good for audio). I've tried Digidesign's program, but it refuses to work with my drive, saying that I need new firmware. Toast and Jam don't seem to mind (nor did the CD manufacturer). Jam is pretty cool, you have a fair amount of control over spacing and crossfades between tracks, and you can audition everything before burning a disc. W Doug -- Doug Wyatt doug@sonosphere.com Sonosphere (electric/improv music) http://www.sonosphere.com/ You can Download firmware and a firmware loader from http://www.ricoh.co.jp/cd-r/cgi/e-/version.html This is firmware for the Ricoh CDR and CDRW. The latest version is 2.4 This is very easy to do on a MAC. I dont know about the PC. Kelly From ???@??? Sat Sep 19 18:35:13 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id KAA22777; Sat, 19 Sep 1998 10:04:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 10:04:13 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3603B980.C2917F48@texas.net> Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 09:02:42 -0500 From: Bobdog Catlin Reply-To: psbuddha@texas.net Organization: Pseudo Buddha/Doghouse Ent. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: CDRs and the mac References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"3V9Bp.0.4m4.kYx0s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1724 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com hi robb - on the subject of jam: can you crossfade? From ???@??? Sat Sep 19 18:35:14 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id KAA01320; Sat, 19 Sep 1998 10:25:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 10:25:32 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Saulnierds@aol.com Message-ID: <27ddb7b2.3603bc86@aol.com> Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 10:15:34 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: cripsy hip hop drum sounds Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 38 Resent-Message-ID: <"0v7tn3.0.hD7.8ox0s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1725 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com hello to all i have an akai mpc 2000. and okay, so my first problem is trying to program some beats that dont sound so straight and linear. you know, i'm trying to get some beats with some swing and some funk to them but they always come out sounding so square and 1-2-3-4, like connect the dots. i cannot figure out the swing function on the damn machine, so if anyone can explain that to me a little bit better that would be cool. also, i am trying to find or figure out how to get some of those nice crispy hip hop drum sounds. those drums that sounds real raw and dirty. if anyone can help me it would be greatly appreciated. and if anyone has an mpc 2000 and would like to exchange tips and info that would be nice too. thanks, dave saulnierds@aol.com From ???@??? Sat Sep 19 18:35:15 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id KAA12075; Sat, 19 Sep 1998 10:43:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 10:43:48 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3603C14D.8EECD117@bway.net> Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 10:35:57 -0400 From: Matthew Pierce X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: CDRs and the pc References: <1ff7e598.36030afe@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"E5jTE1.0.pK2.J8y0s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1726 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thanks for the discussion on mac likes and dislikes but I have a pc and I already have an adaptec scsi card (ultrawide). Does anyone have any suggestions for me...I also have CD Architect already but I don't know what kind of burner to buy. Matthew From ???@??? Sat Sep 19 18:35:17 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id LAA25365; Sat, 19 Sep 1998 11:07:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 11:07:03 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199809191502.KAA25027@pop01.execpc.com> X-Sender: stetina@mail.execpc.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 10:01:36 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Troy Stetina Subject: Re: CDRs and the pc In-Reply-To: <3603C14D.8EECD117@bway.net> References: <1ff7e598.36030afe@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"J3cHA3.0.fW5.jTy0s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1727 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 10:35 AM 9/19/98 -0400, you wrote: >Thanks for the discussion on mac likes and dislikes but I have a pc and I already >have an adaptec scsi card (ultrawide). Does anyone have any suggestions for >me...I also have CD Architect already but I don't know what kind of burner to >buy. > >Matthew > Read the CD Architect 'Read me' file... it should contain a list of all supported CD burners.. Troy From ???@??? Sun Sep 20 13:55:39 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id GAA13569; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 06:06:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 06:06:56 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <009d01bde47d$c7cd3000$85f1ffd0@artmusic.gte> From: "future perfect" To: Subject: Echoplex SwitchQuant Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 06:02:29 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3115.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"5ymM-1.0.wz1.y6D1s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1728 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com What is the difference between CYC and CNF on the SwitchQuant parameter on the 'Plex? The manual just states that there is just 'off' and 'on'. Dave Eichenberger ********************************************************************* 'Future Perfect' - art music http://home1.gte.net/artmusic/ From ???@??? Sun Sep 20 20:36:44 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id RAA08321; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 17:16:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 17:16:51 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Sender: r_t_cummings@csi.com Message-ID: <360569F2.F83BAF74@csi.com> Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 22:47:46 +0200 From: Cummings X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [de] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: cripsy hip hop drum sounds References: <27ddb7b2.3603bc86@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"lbaoP2.0.bO1.3zM1s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1729 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hello dave, you'll probably hear from some others on this list who own an mpc2000. Moi, I'm dying to get one next month! However, I have been trying it out a lot in music stores along with the ASR-X. I can say this about the SWING function: move the cursor to the "Timing:" parameter, select "EDIT" and viola, there's the "Swing:" parameter. On making beats funky and dirty (disclaimer: everyone probably does this differently, and all established techniques are waiting to be broken!): 1) use varying dynamics! (i.e. vary the accents slightly) - nothing makes a bit more stiff than unvarying accent levels, especially on hihats, cymbals etc. 2) think of larger cycles which change above the basic groove 3) run the beat though a distortion/flanger/pitch shifter pedal etc. 4) stream the beat to a computer and process it WHOLE [with distortion, very short delays (< 10 ms), slight reverb, pitch shifting] to get rid of the "discrete beats" feel 5) resample snares, hihats etc. at a lower rate for a super dirty sound 6) use a compressor (esp. on bass drums) to get really FAT, oops I mean PHAT sounds 7) break a groove into 1/8ths and reassemble the pieces (e.g. with Recycler or whatever its called) 8) tweak the resonant frequencies of individual drum sounds (e.g. bass drums) n nuff o ma bla bla, Rob Saulnierds@aol.com wrote: > > hello to all > i have an akai mpc 2000. and okay, so my first problem is trying to program > some beats that dont sound so straight and linear. you know, i'm trying to > get some beats with some swing and some funk to them but they always come out > sounding so square and 1-2-3-4, like connect the dots. i cannot figure out > the swing function on the damn machine, so if anyone can explain that to me a > little bit better that would be cool. > also, i am trying to find or figure out how to get some of those nice crispy > hip hop drum sounds. those drums that sounds real raw and dirty. if anyone > can help me it would be greatly appreciated. and if anyone has an mpc 2000 > and would like to exchange tips and info that would be nice too. > thanks, > dave > saulnierds@aol.com From ???@??? Sun Sep 20 20:36:41 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id RAA07900; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 17:15:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 17:15:49 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Sender: r_t_cummings@csi.com Message-ID: <3605707B.7E269240@csi.com> Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 23:15:39 +0200 From: Cummings X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [de] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers Delight Subject: live applications: mpc2000 vs. ASR-X Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"X9Ctp3.0.VP1.9zM1s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1730 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hello loopers, sorry if these toys have already been discussed in the last few weeks while I've been away. I'm looking to get a sampling drum machine and I'm having a hard time deciding between the two (Akai mpc2000 vs. Ensoniq ASR-X). The Akai seems to have the edge in user-friendliness and MIDI (two outputs), while the Ensoniq rules with internal sounds, better filters, deeper resolution (384 ppq!). My question: which of these is better live, i.e. which of these can be tweaked most effectively? thanks, rob From ???@??? Sun Sep 20 20:36:50 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id SAA26927; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 18:50:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 18:50:20 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Crossedout@aol.com Message-ID: <8275a575.3605839f@aol.com> Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 18:37:19 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: new LP of Loops Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Resent-Message-ID: <"iU3iH3.0.gk4.DEO1s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1731 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 9/18/98 3:51:41 PM Central Daylight Time, noises@worldnet.att.net writes: http://www.brainwashed.com/rrr/index.html<< this record is sure to sell out. (the 100 groove 7" is long-gone) >> The 7" (RRR 100) has been repressed... check out RRR records web site.... http://www.brainwashed.com/rrr/index.html - Crossedout@aol.com From ???@??? Sun Sep 20 20:36:51 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id SAA27820; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 18:51:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 18:51:52 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Crossedout@aol.com Message-ID: <3221c33b.360583fb@aol.com> Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 18:38:51 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: CDRs Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Resent-Message-ID: <"f36ya1.0.Q_4.yFO1s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1732 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 9/18/98 8:49:43 PM Central Daylight Time, GRAIGORY2@aol.com writes: << Which do you all feel is better... computer based, or stand alone CDR drives? and what are your views on the following: 1) Phillips cdd-2600 >> having converted my stand-alone to a computer-based one, I think I should have just gone with computer-based from the get-go. And my burner is the 2600, and I like it very much. I've burnt a few hundred discs now, and only one "coaster". - Crossedout@aol.com From ???@??? Sun Sep 20 20:36:49 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id SAA28324; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 18:52:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 18:52:43 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Crossedout@aol.com Message-ID: <645611bc.360584a8@aol.com> Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 18:41:44 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: CDRs and the pc Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Resent-Message-ID: <"-OQtX3.0.8O5.XIO1s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1733 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 9/19/98 10:10:27 AM Central Daylight Time, stetina@execpc.com writes: << Read the CD Architect 'Read me' file... it should contain a list of all supported CD burners.. >> And also check out the company's web site - many will post updates as new burners come on the market. - Crossedout@aol.com From ???@??? Sun Sep 20 20:36:59 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id VAA24121; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 21:35:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 21:35:35 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3605AA7F.61E96F52@worldnet.att.net> Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 21:23:12 -0400 From: Jason Lescalleet Organization: head of the maja X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5b1 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: new LP of Loops References: <8275a575.3605839f@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"b466l2.0.hH5.VmQ1s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1734 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Crossedout@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 9/18/98 3:51:41 PM Central Daylight Time, > noises@worldnet.att.net writes: > http://www.brainwashed.com/rrr/index.html<< > this record is sure to sell out. (the 100 groove 7" is long-gone) > >> > The 7" (RRR 100) has been repressed... the 7" was repressed three times and is now sold out for the last time. the webpage you refer to was not put up by RRR and is out of date. jason From ???@??? Sun Sep 20 20:37:00 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id VAA31596; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 21:51:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 21:51:45 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: GRAIGORY2@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 21:41:59 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: new LP of Loops Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Resent-Message-ID: <"gn4IA1.0.qm6.gyQ1s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1735 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Which record is the new one? From ???@??? Sun Sep 20 20:37:06 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id WAA05961; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 22:07:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 22:07:30 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 22:01:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Rob Monn To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: crossfading in jam. Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"v9MOs2.0.ua.DBR1s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1736 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com yup. i can crossfade. if anyone who is using jam has trouble crossfading, they should read that manual. i was very dissapointed with jam and my panasonic cdr w/r/t it's seeming inability to xfade until i read the book and found that i had been trying to use the program insocrrectly. almost all cdrs can write xfades. From ???@??? Sun Sep 20 20:37:09 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id WAA09038; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 22:13:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 22:13:36 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 22:04:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Adam Levin X-Sender: alevin@ari.ari.net To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Subject: Fragments of the Mass Dream Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"W4E4M2.0.VB1.BHR1s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1737 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com FRAGMENTS OF THE MASS DREAM Diverse Directions in Guitar Music Friday, October 9th 1998 9pm Cafe Tattoo - 4825 Belair Road - Baltimore MD (410)325-7427 One instrument, three different styles of music. On Friday October 9th Cafe Tattoo (The Baltimore City Paper's pick for the Best Jazz Club for 1998) will be hosting an exciting and diverse evening of guitar music. FingerPaint, The Dark Aether Project, and Tony Geballe converge from diverse musical backgrounds to share their love of sonic exploration. Fragments of musical vision presented as one whole evening of enticing music. ----- FingerPaint is guitarists/synthesists Steev Geest and Patrick Smith. Exploring the edges of electronic music and spontaneous composition, their improvisatory soundscapes have been described as "sinister and alien" by the Philadelphia City Paper. See http://www.fingerpaint.net/ for more information about FingerPaint. ----- The Dark Aether Project features Adam Levin (Warr 8 String Touch Guitar/ Loops), Yaman Aksu (Fretted and Fretless Guitars/Guitar Synth), and Brian Griffin (Drums). Progression magazine says "...jazz-inflected, often minimalistic...foreboding soundscape[s]... classy...offers mature musicianship without pretentiousness." Expose says "...intense and blistering lead work...amazing loops and shimmering textures that are at once haunting and dreamlike...worthy of attention." See http://www.darkaether.net/ for more info on The Dark Aether Project ----- Tony Geballe has been a member of the Turkish music trio Dostlar and the New York Indonesian Consulate Gamelan. As a member of Robert Fripp and the League of Crafty Guitarists, Tony has made several recordings and toured Israel, Europe and the US, as well as appearing on local and national radio and television shows. The 12-string guitar is primarily known as a folk instrument, but Tony combines elements of classical and jazz techniques, harmony and form with the shimmering and resonant sound of the instrument, to create a unique, compelling and satisfying music. Tony 's CD of solo 12-string guitar music, "Native of the Rain," has been released by Discipline Global Mobile records. "Deftly bridges the chasm between pop accessibility and meticulously crafted musicianship. Geballe's compositions, awash in dazzling, evocative sonic cascades, demonstrate just how far one exemplary musician can push the musical envelope armed with only one 12-string acoustic guitar." ----- -Adam --- "...if one strives at hearing for the sake of constant virtue, out of seeking liberation from cyclic existence, gradually one becomes a Hearer." - Chandrakirti T h e D a r k A e t h e r P r o j e c t http://www.darkaether.net/ From ???@??? Sun Sep 20 20:37:24 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id XAA01866; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 23:05:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 23:05:38 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: klaw@iglou.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199808070706.DAA16625@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: just guitar Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 22:58:04 -0400 Resent-Message-ID: <"8tM9O3.0.mR7.C2S1s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1738 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hello anyone here currently working in just intonation on guitar.Im about to convert a strat to fretless for this purpose.Please email me directly with any tips, expierences etc. Thanks as always K LAW From ???@??? Sun Sep 20 20:37:33 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id XAA09690; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 23:20:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 23:20:57 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980920220945.008b5430@wavefront.com> X-Sender: chuck.zwicky@wavefront.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 22:09:45 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Chuck Zwicky Subject: Jam-Man spontaneous reset.... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"tkNoq2.0.Yt.RDS1s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1740 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I recall a while age there was some mention of a jam man spontaneously resetting itself. Mine is doing this currently. The display flickers sporadically when it happens. Any ideas? I've got a show coming up on thursday.... -Chuck Zwicky From ???@??? Sun Sep 20 21:26:34 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id XAA22322; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 23:47:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 23:47:10 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <009d01bde47d$c7cd3000$85f1ffd0@artmusic.gte> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 20:34:18 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Echoplex SwitchQuant Resent-Message-ID: <"PfuXW3.0.rV4.zdS1s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1741 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 3:02 AM -0700 9/20/98, future perfect wrote: >What is the difference between CYC and CNF on the SwitchQuant parameter on >the 'Plex? The manual just states that there is just 'off' and 'on'. > >Dave Eichenberger I haven't finished that FAQ page yet, sorry...:-) This is what it's going to say: The SwitchQuant parameter lets you select whether loop switching happens immediately or not. There are currently three values for this parameter. SwitchQuant=Off means that a press of the NextLoop button immediately sends you to the next loop. So if you are in loop 4, and press Next, you instantly jump to loop 5. SwitchQuant=CYC means that the Echoplex will wait until the current cycle finishes before switching. For example, you record something in loop number 1. As the loop is playing, you press Next somewhere in the middle. The echoplex display will show "L 2", which tells you which loop you will be going to. Pressing Next again shows "L 3", and so on. When the end of the loop arrives, you jump to the one displayed. If you have used Multiply on the loop you are in, the echoplex will jump to the next loop at the end of the cycle in which you press Next. Say you have Multiplied a loop to have 4 cycles (counting in the multiple display). You press Next during Multiple #2. Switching will occur at the end of multiple 2, not the end of the whole loop. SwitchQuant=Cnf "Cnf" stands for "confirm." In this mode, the echoplex goes into a waiting period when you press Next. It jumps to the loop shown in the display when you "confirm" that you want to switch. You do this be pressing the Undo button. The point of this is you can more easily decide which loop you are switching to with confirm mode. You can continue to press NextLoop until the display shows the one you want, and then press Undo and go there. The current loop continues to play during this time. If you want to be executing a particular function when you go to the next loop (recording, overdubbing, copying, etc.) you can press those from the "ooo" waiting period. example: you are in loop 1, and want to switch to loop 7 you press Next, the display shows "ooo". Loop 1 continues to play. you keep pressing Next until the display shows "L 7" then you press Undo when want to switch, and you immediately go to loop 7. If you want to have have a function like Record immediately start when you go to Loop 7, press that button instead of Undo. (so when it says "L 7" press Record, and you will immediately be recording in Loop 7. With short loops this mode is helpful, because it gives you more time to set things up before the loop switch. During the waiting periods for SwitchQuant=on and cnf, you have the opportumity to copy the current loop's audio or time base into the loop you are going to. This is explained in the manual under SwitchQuant, and is done with the multiply and insert buttons, repectively. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Sun Sep 20 20:37:30 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id XAA06073; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 23:14:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 23:14:30 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: dmgraph@mail.earthlink.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3605AA7F.61E96F52@worldnet.att.net> References: <8275a575.3605839f@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 23:03:05 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: David Myers Subject: Re: new LP of Loops Resent-Message-ID: <"fmc_v2.0.Av7.p5S1s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1739 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >the 7" was repressed three times and is now sold out for the last time. >the webpage you refer to was not put up by RRR and is out of date. > >jason Three repressings! Golly, must be a great product. RRRon Lessard must have made a few bucks. Too bad that no one who is ever involved with these "cool" projects ever sees a dime (ahem!). Will admit that my track (literally) was only one revolution, but shouldn't somebody consider this? Ron is a nice guy and I don't mean to put him down, but someone provides the content for these silly projects, while somebody else sells a few thousand at something like five bucks a pop. The former receives two lovely copies of said item. Sorry to be spiteful. I haven't even thought of this little thing for years. But isn't there something wrong here? Musicians, are you valuing yourselves enough? Shouldn't you get *something*, for chrissakes? David Myers From ???@??? Mon Sep 21 10:51:24 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id AAA11679; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 00:32:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 00:32:55 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net (Unverified) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 21:25:31 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: new stuff on the LD website Resent-Message-ID: <"orcZ63.0._E2.5MT1s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1742 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I put a couple new things on the Looper's Delight website today. first, a page for the dod dimension 12, including Chuck's review from a few months ago. So whoever was asking for that, here ya go: http://www.annihilist.com/loop/tools/dimension12/D12.html and second, a schematic for the original tube based, tape echoplex of long ago. Linked from the Maestro Echoplex page: http://www.annihilist.com/loop/tools/oldechoplex/oldechoplex.html enjoy! kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Mon Sep 21 10:51:25 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id BAA27456; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 01:04:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 01:04:36 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 01:00:30 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: new stuff on the LD website Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 170 Resent-Message-ID: <"Ihszv3.0.R76.WrT1s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1743 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 9/21/98 3:41:10 AM Mid-Atlantic Daylight Time, kflint@annihilist.com writes: << http://www.annihilist.com/loop/tools/dimension12/D12.html >> thanks kim for the reprint of this info.......michael From ???@??? Mon Sep 21 10:53:31 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id KAA02535; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 10:20:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 10:20:10 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <360619A0.304D5AE9@nyfac.com> Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 10:17:20 +0100 From: "trevor bajus," Reply-To: nyfac2@nyfac.com Organization: New York Film and Animation Inc / 3DV X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: e-list makes a difference: we still have the echoplex References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"AUbs71.0.vn7.Nwb1s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1752 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com David Kirkdorffer wrote: > My guess: Loopers-Delight has helped save the Echoplex. That's to say, my > guess is were L-D running with as much momentum then (at the time lexicon > decided to pull the plug on JAMMAN) as if has today, we would still have > JAMMAN on the market. > > By the way, I saw ANOTHER new "guitar-oriented" looper in this months > Musicans Friend. > > David K How many people are one the list now? How much clout does the mighty LD knight wield? Does that make Kim King Arthur? Should I have gotten more sleep last night? tdb1 From ???@??? Mon Sep 21 10:53:04 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id FAA28160; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 05:44:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 05:44:25 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <36061CAE.EFE5951B@worldnet.att.net> Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 05:30:23 -0400 From: Jason Lescalleet Organization: head of the maja X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5b1 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: new LP of Loops References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Mmtle.0.9q5.8vX1s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1744 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com GRAIGORY2@aol.com wrote: > Which record is the new one? the RRR-500 LP is new. From ???@??? Mon Sep 21 10:53:03 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id FAA30449; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 05:47:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 05:47:41 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <36062083.ACF25B1B@musician.org> Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 02:46:46 -0700 From: eric potter Reply-To: eric@musician.org Organization: Hog Wild Music and Sound FX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, ChuckZwicky Subject: Re: Jam-Man spontaneous reset.... References: <3.0.5.32.19980920220945.008b5430@wavefront.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Dbw1N2.0.7k6.1_X1s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1745 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi CHuck, This happened once to my Vortex. If you can, try another power supply, in my case it did the trick. I knew 'cause I swapped it with my JamMan supply which was handy. Be careful, of course, I believe the current should be AC, so finding one in a pinch could be tough. -eric p. los angeles Chuck Zwicky wrote: > I recall a while age there was some mention of a jam man spontaneously > resetting itself. Mine is doing this currently. The display flickers > sporadically when it happens. > > Any ideas? I've got a show coming up on thursday.... > > -Chuck Zwicky From ???@??? Mon Sep 21 10:53:18 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id IAA10460; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 08:29:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 08:29:46 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3606433F.A05A46AD@worldnet.att.net> Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 08:14:55 -0400 From: Jason Lescalleet Organization: head of the maja X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5b1 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: new LP of Loops References: <8275a575.3605839f@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"L7eCQ1.0.6M1.LJa1s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1748 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > >the 7" was repressed three times and is now sold out for the last time. > >the webpage you refer to was not put up by RRR and is out of date. > > > >jason > > Three repressings! Golly, must be a great product. > my mistake. two repressings, three pressings total. > RRRon Lessard must have made a few bucks. think about what you're saying. ron made a few dollars? is something wrong with making money? what about the records ron has lost money on? > Too bad that no one who is ever involved with these "cool" projects ever > sees a dime (ahem!). this is a false statement. the lock groove records are the exception to the rule. many artists have released successful records thru ron's label. think about it. do people buy the lock-groove records for the artists involved or for the concept of a cool record? nobody's made a record like that before or since. > Will admit that my track(literally) was only one revolution, but shouldn't > somebody consider this? (what is the name of yr groove? i don't recall a david myers track.) do you really think you deserved more than what you received? how much should each of the hundred artists received? how much effort did you put into recording that two second snippet of audio? who bought the 7" because yr name is on it? > But isn't there something wrong here? no. > Musicians, are you valuing yourselves enough? Shouldn't you get > *something*, for chrissakes? if you received two copies, you received one more copy than you deserved. if you wanted to make money with the record, you could've bought some from ron at wholesale cost and sold them yourself. most of the artists i know are simply thrilled to be on the record and were very very happy to receive their copy as payment. stop whining, you're making loopers look bad. jason ps., anybody out there want to buy a copy of the new and exciting RRR-500 lockgroove record? From ???@??? Mon Sep 21 10:53:21 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id IAA23966; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 08:55:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 08:55:20 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199809211250.VAA15790@pop1.ngy.3web.ne.jp> X-Mailer: Macintosh Eudora Pro Version 3.1.1-Jr2 In-Reply-To: <36064D9E.D5459A7C@vete.ucl.ac.be> References: <199809200705.DAA32666@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 21:47:16 +0900 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Sunao Inami Subject: Live streaming from Japan tomorrow!! Cc: stayclose@moon.cooshin.kita.osaka.jp Resent-Message-ID: <"ADrVB3.0.j65.Kja1s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1749 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi Loopers, LIVE INFORMATION LOOPER'S DELIGHT J "Loop is life,Life is loop" 22th Sept (tomorrow!!) at BARTON HALL,Nishinomiya,Japan We will live streaming our show via Real Audio. Please listen us in around the world ;) Please hit this address by Real Player 5.0 or later. pnm://210.163.123.36.loopers_j.rm Streaming time is maybe 18:00 - 21:30(JST) then London is 10:00 - 13:30 22th,NYC is 4:00 - 7:30 22th I guess.. more info avaialable: http://www.threeweb.ad.jp/~cave/LD_J.html p.s. Collins and Joseph, Thanks for your materials,we will use it tomorrow! Regards Sunao Inami Work E-mail webmaster@cavestudio.com URL"CAVE Studio" http://www.cavestudio.com tel&fax +81 794 89 5025 Hyogo,Japan Home E-mail cave@osk.3web.ne.jp URL"cave home" http://www.threeweb.ad.jp/~cave/ tel&fax +81 794 89 5015 Hyogo,Japan snail mail address 316 Ohshima Kuchiyokawa Miki City Hyogo Japan 6730755 From ???@??? Mon Sep 21 10:53:16 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id IAA30687; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 08:09:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 08:09:28 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <36064D9E.D5459A7C@vete.ucl.ac.be> Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 13:59:13 +0100 From: Malhomme Reply-To: malhomme@vete.ucl.ac.be X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [fr] (Macintosh; I; PPC) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: cd burning...on mac... References: <199809200705.DAA32666@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Ub8Zw2.0.s45.fvZ1s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1746 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Also, yes, I know, It was partly answered lately, but , erm, I don't get it Well. I have Cubase VST, and a few things like peak, mastertrack... and at my job place ther is a CD burner with toast 3.5.4, I think. Can I expect to bring the audio files at my job place and burn a CD with them, or must I necessarily buy jam??? Olivier Malhomme From ???@??? Mon Sep 21 10:53:25 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id JAA32437; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 09:11:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 09:11:12 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <36064E6D.A8EA79F5@musician.org> Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 06:02:50 -0700 From: eric potter Reply-To: eric@musician.org Organization: Hog Wild Music and Sound FX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Subject: Digitech RDS-8000, RDS 3.6 - good loop tools? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"_DzMK2.0.rS6.isa1s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1750 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hey everybody, I'd like to hear anything about using the older Digitech stuff for looping, particularly the RDS-8000, RDS-3.6 sec. and the RDS-1900. I've been offered one or more of these in a long-distance trade, but I've never tried them. These days I use a Jam Man and a Boomerang. I'm not at all afraid of lo-fi situations, in fact I'm looking for a tool for the gritty extremes. thanks, of course, eric p From ???@??? Mon Sep 21 10:53:17 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id IAA32737; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 08:12:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 08:12:51 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <360650C9.A82359B0@vete.ucl.ac.be> Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 14:12:44 +0100 From: Malhomme Reply-To: malhomme@vete.ucl.ac.be X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [fr] (Macintosh; I; PPC) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Fretless... References: <199809210707.DAA27998@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"j9YYJ.0.dE7.A6a1s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1747 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I won't give you any tips about just intonation, but I converted one of my guitars to a fretlesss. I also then from several testing converted it to a kind of baritone (a fifth lower). Of course you can't rely anymore on the marks on the neck (but in case of search for j. i. I guess you don't care). Due to the heigth of the nut, notes near the nut will be up more than a 1/4 of tone, because of higher string tension (on heavy gauge strings only) . As you progress to higher notes, the effect diasppear. Try to replace as many strings with round wound. You can even find (not easy, but..) 0.016. I tried flat wounds and 1/2 round, and the sounds gets to dark. Really darker than the same strings on fretted guitar. To end here my babble: to get a nice sound, with thin strings, you'll have to pick the string nearer the fretting position. And I forgot: Chord working becomes of course a real nightmare, but that you can imagine... Olivier mahomme From ???@??? Mon Sep 21 10:53:29 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id JAA19332; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 09:48:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 09:48:22 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: From: David Kirkdorffer To: Collins , Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: e-list makes a difference: we still have the echoplex Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 09:39:25 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"0UE3s1.0.Mp3.yTb1s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1751 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com My guess: Loopers-Delight has helped save the Echoplex. That's to say, my guess is were L-D running with as much momentum then (at the time lexicon decided to pull the plug on JAMMAN) as if has today, we would still have JAMMAN on the market. By the way, I saw ANOTHER new "guitar-oriented" looper in this months Musicans Friend. David K > -----Original Message----- > From: Collins [SMTP:collinsclan@sprintmail.com] > Sent: Friday, September 18, 1998 7:25 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Subject: Re: some good Echoplex news from oberheim > > Thanks Kim, I'm glad to hear that. Too bad Lexicon didn't find out the > same > thing about the JamMan's popularity. > Jeff Collins > From ???@??? Mon Sep 21 10:53:42 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id LAA03912; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 11:33:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 11:33:21 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199809211524.AAA24443@pop1.ngy.3web.ne.jp> X-Mailer: Macintosh Eudora Pro Version 3.1.1-Jr2 In-Reply-To: <199809211250.VAA15790@pop1.ngy.3web.ne.jp> References: <36064D9E.D5459A7C@vete.ucl.ac.be> <199809200705.DAA32666@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 00:18:15 +0900 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Sunao Inami Subject: Re: Live streaming from Japan tomorrow!! Cc: stayclose@moon.cooshin.kita.osaka.jp Resent-Message-ID: <"c2Hlz1.0.Ao7.4-c1s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1753 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi again, I missed the URL. pnm://210.163.123.36/loopers_j.rm is right. take care Sunao Inami Work E-mail webmaster@cavestudio.com URL"CAVE Studio" http://www.cavestudio.com tel&fax +81 794 89 5025 Hyogo,Japan Home E-mail cave@osk.3web.ne.jp URL"cave home" http://www.threeweb.ad.jp/~cave/ tel&fax +81 794 89 5015 Hyogo,Japan snail mail address 316 Ohshima Kuchiyokawa Miki City Hyogo Japan 6730755 At 21:47 +0900 98.9.21, Sunao Inami wrote: > Hi Loopers, > > LIVE INFORMATION > > LOOPER'S DELIGHT J > "Loop is life,Life is loop" > > 22th Sept (tomorrow!!) > at BARTON HALL,Nishinomiya,Japan > > We will live streaming our show via Real Audio. > Please listen us in around the world ;) > > Please hit this address by Real Player 5.0 or later. > pnm://210.163.123.36.loopers_j.rm > > Streaming time is maybe 18:00 - 21:30(JST) > then London is 10:00 - 13:30 22th,NYC is 4:00 - 7:30 22th I guess.. > > more info avaialable: > http://www.threeweb.ad.jp/~cave/LD_J.html > > p.s. > Collins and Joseph, > Thanks for your materials,we will use it tomorrow! > > Regards > > Sunao Inami > > Work > E-mail webmaster@cavestudio.com > URL"CAVE Studio" http://www.cavestudio.com > tel&fax +81 794 89 5025 Hyogo,Japan > > Home > E-mail cave@osk.3web.ne.jp > URL"cave home" http://www.threeweb.ad.jp/~cave/ > tel&fax +81 794 89 5015 Hyogo,Japan > > snail mail address 316 Ohshima > Kuchiyokawa > Miki City > Hyogo > Japan > 6730755 From ???@??? Mon Sep 21 22:53:54 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id MAA22854; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 12:26:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 12:26:02 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Legion@voicenet.com Message-ID: <3606791E.3E0A@voicenet.com> Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 12:04:46 -0400 Reply-To: Legion@voicenet.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.02 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: new LP of Loops References: <8275a575.3605839f@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"W8c-O3.0.uG4.8ad1s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1754 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I just got off the phone with Ron at RRRecords and here's the scoop: The RR100 7" is out of print for good because the pressing plant lost the plates (!). He can't make any more if he wanted to. There will new no more pressing of the RRR100 and all copies are sold out. The good news is as a result he was suffienciently motivated to make a new record, the RRR-500, which is a 12" vinyl release with 500 locking grooves. These are currently stocked and readily available from RRR or the usual distributors. $10 plus shipping. The official Address for the label is: RRRecords 23 Central Street Lowell MA 01852 USA 978-454-8002 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- HELP WANTED PRODUCTIONS - Http://www.voicenet.com/~legion "Bringing you the best in Organic Electronic music since we started..." Home of the Unusual Instrument and Recording Gallery with pictures and info of Tube recorders, Omnichords, weird guitars, Casios, and more. From ???@??? Mon Sep 21 22:53:56 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id RAA15344; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 17:07:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 17:07:46 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: doug@mail.lightlink.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <36064D9E.D5459A7C@vete.ucl.ac.be> References: <199809200705.DAA32666@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 16:36:49 -0400 To: malhomme@vete.ucl.ac.be, Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Doug Wyatt Subject: Re: cd burning...on mac... Resent-Message-ID: <"Aj8AE2.0.0B2.ehh1s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1755 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 13:59 +0100 9/21/98, Malhomme wrote: > Also, yes, I know, It was partly answered lately, but , erm, I don't get > it > Well. I have Cubase VST, and a few things like peak, mastertrack... and > at my job place ther is a CD burner with toast 3.5.4, I think. Can I > expect to bring the audio files at my job place and burn a CD with them, > or must I necessarily buy jam??? Hi, Toast will work fine. Create AIFF stereo 16-bit 44.1 KHz files. Each audio file will become a single CD track. You don't get to crossfade between tracks or be very precise with the spaces between tracks, but you can still burn CD's just fine. Doug -- Doug Wyatt doug@sonosphere.com Sonosphere (electric/improv music) http://www.sonosphere.com/ "Accidental Beauties" CD release: http://www.sonosphere.com/wyatt/ available from CMC, 1-800-882-4262 http://www.MusicDiscoveries.com/ From ???@??? Mon Sep 21 22:53:57 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id RAA29910; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 17:47:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 17:47:38 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Crossedout@aol.com Message-ID: <7b1473b1.3606c757@aol.com> Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 17:38:31 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: new LP of Loops Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Resent-Message-ID: <"-MI6B.0.SQ6.ATi1s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1756 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 9/20/98 10:32:16 PM Central Daylight Time, dmgraph@pulsewidth.com writes: << Ron is a nice guy and I don't mean to put him down, but someone provides the content for these silly projects, while somebody else sells a few thousand at something like five bucks a pop. The former receives two lovely copies of said item. Sorry to be spiteful. I haven't even thought of this little thing for years. But isn't there something wrong here? Musicians, are you valuing yourselves enough? Shouldn't you get *something*, for chrissakes? >> Well.... did you make a deal with Ron for points or money or more in return for your musical contribution than 2 copies, and he didn't follow through? Or has this *silly project* just had more legs under it than you thought, and now you are kicking yourself in the pants that you didn't make a better deal? Everything's a crapshoot. Sometimes the ones who get paid are the ones who do the gruntwork, not the ones who put up 2 seconds of sound. - Crossedout@aol.com From ???@??? Mon Sep 21 22:53:52 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id RAA30514; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 17:50:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 17:50:12 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Crossedout@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 17:39:45 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: new LP of Loops Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Resent-Message-ID: <"S3aDf1.0.7W6.FUi1s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1757 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 9/20/98 10:32:16 PM Central Daylight Time, dmgraph@pulsewidth.com writes: << >the 7" was repressed three times and is now sold out for the last time. >the webpage you refer to was not put up by RRR and is out of date. > >jason Three repressings! Golly, must be a great product. >> And yes, I think it's a great product, an interesting idea, well executed, and has come in real handy for improv/efx-laden dj experiments. - Crossedout@aol.com From ???@??? Mon Sep 21 22:52:34 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id SAA06451; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 18:13:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 18:13:58 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <2.2.32.19980921220255.0073b8fc@mail.dada.it> X-Sender: cavallo@mail.dada.it X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 00:02:55 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Leonardo Cavallo Subject: Re: new LP of Loops Resent-Message-ID: <"zhhWv2.0.yi._ri1s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1758 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi guys talking about loops to sample, I'm going to redesign as soon as possible my pages to publish several hundreds of ALL ORIGINAL INSTRUMENT LOOPS in hi quality MP3 format. The collection will include heavily edited and processed drum loops, sound FX, pad & synths, etc, in the jungle/d&b/trip hop/techno styles. Lot of them will be free of charge. ciao leo From ???@??? Mon Sep 21 22:53:45 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id VAA09222; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 21:02:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 21:02:02 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3606F6EB.2306@erols.com> Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 21:01:31 -0400 From: Michael Preston Reply-To: michpres@erols.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: EDP puzzle Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"G9aO41.0.e31.gHl1s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1759 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi Loopers, My EDP seems to be misbehaving. When I powered it up today, it went through its LED power-up routine, and finished with digits "198" in the looptime LED frames, "1L" in the multiple LED frames, and the green light under the record button. When I push the record button, nothing happens. When I press the parameters button, all of the button lights come on green for each parameter, and I get "P1" "P2" "P3" "P4" in the multiple LED frames with each press of the parameters button, finally returning to a single green light under the record button, but now the only alphanumeric readout is "198" in the looptime frames. And it still won't record. I have 16mb and LoopIII v5.0. The only thing I have tried is reinitializing the 'plex. I have never had any problems with this 'plex in the two years I have had it. I upgraded to v5.0 last Winter with no problems, just joy. Gettin' worried. Any suggestions? Maybe this only happens on the last day of Summer? Does this sound like a static electricity related problem? Should I remove the EDP from my rack, open it up and jiggle some of the chips and stuff? I hope this is just one of those little problems with an obvious solution that I have overlooked. Thanks for your wisdom. Michael Preston From ???@??? Mon Sep 21 22:53:44 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id VAA14399; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 21:14:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 21:14:22 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Douglas Lawrence" To: Subject: RE: live applications: mpc2000 vs. ASR-X Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 21:09:10 -0400 Message-ID: <000201bde5c5$9b3f8030$87500218@cc1006472-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <3605707B.7E269240@csi.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"AcQQx2.0.Vu2.sXl1s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1760 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I've been monitoring an ASR-X mailing list for a couple weeks since I'm in the same boat trying to decide between the two. >From what I understand, the MPC-2000 with OS v1.7 is rock solid in the sequencing department and finally reads .WAV files which is helpful. Also, the on-board sample editing is quite easy to use. Although an effect board is available, it's light compared to the ASR-X. The bigger screen is great and you have a few extra pads and knobs. As for the ASR-X, the sequencer is not totally solid yet and has a tendency to crash frequently (even with the latest v2.62 OS) if you tweak too much or hit buttons too fast. I can't speak for the new ASR-X Turbo since it claims to have OS v3.0. Many of the subscriber's seem to use an external sequencer and computer based sample editing to make up for those shortcomings. It seems the sampler is better quality in the ASR-X and don't the built-in MR synth engine. The small screen is not so great, but you have velocity sensitive pads. Some of the subscribers are using the ASR-X live in conjunction with an EMU Launch Pad successfully. Others use it in conjunction with a MIDI keyboard controller. Some of the parameters that you may want to control may not be available real-time, like time stretching. With all the problems that they've experienced, the ASR-X users seem to think that it's a one-of-a-kind tool and I think Ensoniq has shown some commitment to development of the product with release of the "Pro" version. It will probably be rock solid with 2 more releases of the OS. Now how long that will take, who knows, but it seems to be a great instrument anyway. I was thinking about getting one from Musician's Friend. Although you may pay a little more, you have 45 days to check out the unit and return it if you don't like it. Last I checked, they didn't have any in-stock and this policy may be voided for special order items. Doug -----Original Message----- From: r_t_cummings@csi.com [mailto:r_t_cummings@csi.com] Sent: Sunday, September 20, 1998 5:16 PM To: Loopers Delight Subject: live applications: mpc2000 vs. ASR-X Hello loopers, sorry if these toys have already been discussed in the last few weeks while I've been away. I'm looking to get a sampling drum machine and I'm having a hard time deciding between the two (Akai mpc2000 vs. Ensoniq ASR-X). The Akai seems to have the edge in user-friendliness and MIDI (two outputs), while the Ensoniq rules with internal sounds, better filters, deeper resolution (384 ppq!). My question: which of these is better live, i.e. which of these can be tweaked most effectively? thanks, rob From ???@??? Mon Sep 21 22:53:58 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id XAA05858; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 23:12:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 23:12:27 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <36071424.7027@voicenet.com> Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 23:06:12 -0400 From: legion X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: eric@musician.org CC: "Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Subject: Re: Digitech RDS-8000, RDS 3.6 - good loop tools? References: <36064E6D.A8EA79F5@musician.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"n660M2.0.wU.AFn1s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1761 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com eric potter wrote: > I'd like to hear anything about using the older Digitech stuff for > looping, particularly the RDS-8000, RDS-3.6 sec. and the RDS-1900. I've > been offered one or more of these in a long-distance trade, but I've > never tried them. These days I use a Jam Man and a Boomerang. I'm not at > all afraid of lo-fi situations, in fact I'm looking for a tool for the > gritty extremes. The time machine series has a number of generations in it. the earlier ones are more noisy (not nescessarily gritty - just noisy) and came be identified by their large grey buttons that stick out of the front pannel and black with blue lettering design. Next came two series of balck units with blue lettering and flatter square buttons. These units were a little quieter and started to stretch out the times some more (ie: this series introduced the 7.6 second delay) and the 2nd series added a manual trigger button. Finally there was the white/grey design and this had the 8 second delay with all the trimmings. As a sound processor I think these things are amazing. I use my 3.6 sec (mid period) delay all the time for almost everything live. It can stutter a sound, do the roboflange, and catch a loop and destroy it with the built in width which acts as an LFO. Really freaky stuff. As a straight looper it's a bit limited though. You can easily set the time manually and warp the loop with the front pannel knobs but there's not much chance of layering (at least not in the EPD or Jamman sense) and you can't play something backwards or anything like that. Still it is a wonderful piece and fairly inexpensive these days. oddly enough I've used an 8 second and decided to stick with my 3.6 as it prompts me to do more with the sound that a straight loop in order to make it interesting. YMMV but overall I say the time machines are killer pieces. All the loops on my latest live album were done feeding a pitchshifting tape recorder into the time machine. It does *insane* things. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- HELP WANTED PRODUCTIONS - Http://www.voicenet.com/~legion "Bringing you the best in Organic Electronic music since we started..." Home of the Unusual Instrument and Recording Gallery with pictures and info of Tube recorders, Omnichords, weird guitars, Casios, and more. From ???@??? Tue Sep 22 01:58:25 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id BAA29434; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 01:45:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 01:45:45 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: matthias@pop3.bahianet.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199809211250.VAA15790@pop1.ngy.3web.ne.jp> References: <36064D9E.D5459A7C@vete.ucl.ac.be> <199809200705.DAA32666@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 02:46:35 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Live streaming from Japan tomorrow!! Resent-Message-ID: <"nNUaw1.0.405.kOp1s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1762 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Yes, its totaly on the other side:-) I think the times are wrong, or better the day in N.Y. and London probably is the 23th, no? >LIVE INFORMATION > >LOOPER'S DELIGHT J >"Loop is life,Life is loop" pretty exagerated, but interesting :-) >22th Sept (tomorrow!!) >at BARTON HALL,Nishinomiya,Japan > >We will live streaming our show via Real Audio. >Please listen us in around the world ;) > >Please hit this address by Real Player 5.0 or later. >pnm://210.163.123.36.loopers_j.rm I could not understand this adress >Streaming time is maybe 18:00 - 21:30(JST) >then London is 10:00 - 13:30 22th,NYC is 4:00 - 7:30 22th I guess.. > >more info avaialable: >http://www.threeweb.ad.jp/~cave/LD_J.html When I click on HERE, I come back to the initial page, could not find the information. What a pitty! From ???@??? Mon Sep 21 22:54:08 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id BAA27158; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 01:41:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 01:41:22 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: matthias@pop3.bahianet.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 02:47:06 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: new LP of Loops Resent-Message-ID: <"tys4H2.0.g45.DPp1s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1763 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >In a message dated 9/20/98 10:32:16 PM Central Daylight Time, >dmgraph@pulsewidth.com writes: > ><< >the 7" was repressed three times and is now sold out for the last time. > >the webpage you refer to was not put up by RRR and is out of date. > > > >jason > > Three repressings! Golly, must be a great product. >> > >And yes, I think it's a great product, an interesting idea, well executed, and >has come in real handy for improv/efx-laden dj experiments. In fact I think it deserves some space on the loop site, since its the most simple way to get the experience, right? From ???@??? Tue Sep 22 01:58:28 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id BAA00553; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 01:53:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 01:53:44 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: matthias@pop3.bahianet.com.br Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 02:56:01 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Questions to Plex users (new features...) Resent-Message-ID: <"M7Mgx2.0.uZ6.YXp1s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1764 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Please, could someone tell us about experiences with the combination SamplerStyle=Att and Autorecord=On and a keyboard or pedal to select multiple loops directly? This combination lets you grab a sound while you press the key and then immediately can play it back with the same key. And after you fill several loops you have a canvas of sounds that just happened. I just tried it with my new PC1600 controler and voice. If you are at the mixing desk, you can steal sounds of the other members or the band and imitate them. Is that fun? Is it what those phrase samplers do? Anyway, does someone use this feature as seriously as to tape the result? Or can we listen to it on a website yet? or soon,,, please? I think I urgently need some MIDISample (LoopTrig) keys on the floor, its just like having a Record key for each loop. I just added the long press Reset to those keys to make it complete. When you are in Att, the long press means the time the sample plays. With run and ONE, it means Reset. How do you like that? From ???@??? Tue Sep 22 02:32:52 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id FAA14272; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 05:07:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 05:07:52 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3606F6EB.2306@erols.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 01:18:54 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: EDP puzzle Resent-Message-ID: <"t7J7U1.0.ev1.TRs1s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1765 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com If you are using a footpedal, check that the front panel works when you unplug it. It could be the cable or a dirty jack or something. Elsewise, I hear that Gibson/Oberheim is reinstating their crack echoplex support squad, contact them for repairs. They should be able to handle it. (877) OBERHEIM or obie@gibson.com or Mike Ayers . kim >Hi Loopers, > >My EDP seems to be misbehaving. When I powered it up today, it went >through its LED power-up routine, and finished with digits "198" in the >looptime LED frames, "1L" in the multiple LED frames, and the green >light under the record button. When I push the record button, nothing >happens. When I press the parameters button, all of the button lights >come on green for each parameter, and I get "P1" "P2" "P3" "P4" in the >multiple LED frames with each press of the parameters button, finally >returning to a single green light under the record button, but now the >only alphanumeric readout is "198" in the looptime frames. And it still >won't record. > >I have 16mb and LoopIII v5.0. The only thing I have tried is >reinitializing the 'plex. I have never had any problems with this 'plex >in the two years I have had it. I upgraded to v5.0 last Winter with no >problems, just joy. > Gettin' worried. >Any suggestions? Maybe this only happens on the last day of Summer? Does >this sound like a static electricity related problem? Should I remove >the EDP from my rack, open it up and jiggle some of the chips and stuff? >I hope this is just one of those little problems with an obvious >solution that I have overlooked. > >Thanks for your wisdom. > >Michael Preston ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Tue Sep 22 10:09:08 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id JAA26708; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 09:27:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 09:27:55 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3607A3E5.8F37370F@Pirnie.com> Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 09:19:33 -0400 From: "Lee Wordsman" Reply-To: Lwordsman@pirnie.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Subject: More Digitech stuff Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Z0-Ue2.0.7W5.bGw1s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1767 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I'm wondering what type of footswitch works with the Time Machines. A simple on/off or a momentary (which I think acts only when your depressing the switch like a keyboard sustain). I use a Digitech RDS 4000 (4 sec, black w/ blue letters). I'm very happy with the unit as an introductory looping device but it's limitations become fairly obvious within a short time. However, as Legion points out, it forces you to be more creative given those limits. The LFO definitely allows for adding much wierdness to a loop. From ???@??? Tue Sep 22 10:09:07 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id JAA13763; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 09:06:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 09:06:44 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: dmgraph@mail.earthlink.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3606433F.A05A46AD@worldnet.att.net> References: <8275a575.3605839f@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 08:56:22 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: David Myers Subject: Re: new LP of Loops Resent-Message-ID: <"6F6Q1.0.zQ1.wtv1s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1766 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I'll only put in one more word on this subject, if I may. I want to make it very clear that Ron Lessard is, in my opinion, a stand-up guy. In my few relations with him and RRR he always did what he promised, always delivered what was expected, and never imparted the feeling that there were any kind of double-dealings or shady licensing deals, or anything of the kind, unlike some other experiences I've had with small record labels. RRR fills a certain need and Ron puts out unique stuff, and I want to be clear that neither in my previous post, nor now, did I or do I wish to say anything negative about Ron. If anyone here is considering having dealings with RRR, rest assured that he's a straight shooter, OK? I know somebody will now say "Myers wants to cover his tracks and not burn any bridges", but it's not so. I just don't want anyone to get the wrong idea about Ron. From ???@??? Tue Sep 22 10:09:23 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id LAA28137; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 11:20:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 11:20:44 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <2C396693FBDED111AEF60000F84104A71A64AC@indyexch_fddi.indy.tce.com> From: Hoover Alan To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Roland SP808 groovesampler Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 10:08:03 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"3Y6G83.0.1E5.wqx1s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1768 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com test From ???@??? Tue Sep 22 10:09:25 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id LAA31004; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 11:27:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 11:27:08 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <000801bde63b$f47c7ce0$0d01a8c0@Remote> From: "Steve Lauder" To: Subject: Farewell for now Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 16:15:50 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0005_01BDE644.44053B00" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Resent-Message-ID: <"ySaF-2.0.Ac6.E_x1s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1769 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com
I'm having to leave the list temporarily - I only have e-mail at work and my boss is kicking up a fuss about wasting company time (oops).
 
I'll be back as soon as I can hide postings from him on my machine!
 
Many thanks to all the people who've provided me with tips and tricks, and I'll hopefully be back soon.
 
Best Regards,
 
Steve Lauder
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Tue Sep 22 10:09:32 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id MAA03675; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 12:36:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 12:36:25 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980922112248.0083cd60@wavefront.com> X-Sender: chuck.zwicky@wavefront.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 11:22:48 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Chuck Zwicky Subject: Jam-man reset solved Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"tyjQc.0.4_6.Xxy1s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1770 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Loopers, I think I've solved the problem with the Jam-Man resetting. It is caused by a flakey switch, specifically the rotary 'mode' switch. As you know, turning this switch clears the memory (WHY??), disconcerting when you expect it to only change the timebase of the loop. The type of switch seems to be identical to those used on the LXP-1 and LXP-5. I suffered through diagnosing the odd behavior that those switches caused years ago. I tend to keep my Jam-Man in the 16 or 24 'phrased loop' setting, due to a programming oversight which assumes that loops are only one bar long, which means that when you've expanded the memory you can have a 32 second bar, and an equivalent MIDI tempo of 7.5 BPM. Not good. I use the tempo LED to keep track of my loops, and using the 16 or 24 setting gives me a reasonable flash rate. Now that those switch positions are shot, I'll have to do something else... -Chuck Zwicky From ???@??? Tue Sep 22 10:59:00 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id NAA01052; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 13:29:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 13:29:34 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Collins" To: , Subject: Re: just guitar Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 13:12:47 -0400 Message-ID: <01bde64c$389a9640$2e1bbfa8@0QHC6SIA> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"_AHpE.0.BA6.Siz1s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1771 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hello K LAW, If you're interested in just intonation with a fretless guitar. I'm the man that can help you. First off...have you got Harry Partch's book "Genesis of a Music"? It's a great book that can help you in many ways. I also have a paper written by Brian McLaren about how to get into the partch stuff easier. Check for stuff on the Web about LaMonte Young. He's an amazing MICROTONALIST who's working with sine tone generators to create music in Just for a sound instillation in New York. The two guys on my website are very into microtonality. Check it out. http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Stadium/1429/STRANGETONES.html I can send you some papers about ratios and how to apply it to guitar if you'd like. Jeff Collins PS. Bobdog is putting a stainless steel board on his guitars and he's going to be doing the same to my guitar when he's done with his. You can also get ahold of a guy in New York who does refretting and fretless-izing of guitars. His name is Larry. And his # is 1-516-520-0664. He's doing work with Jon Catler on a new grouping of Just Intonated guitars. Later. -----Original Message----- From: klaw@iglou.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Sunday, September 20, 1998 11:03 PM Subject: just guitar >Hello anyone here currently working in just intonation on guitar.Im about >to convert a strat to fretless for this purpose.Please email me directly >with any tips, expierences etc. Thanks as always K LAW > > > From ???@??? Tue Sep 22 23:07:04 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: from pablo.total.net (pablo.total.net [205.236.175.128]) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) with ESMTP id VAA32213; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 21:30:48 -0400 Received: from gateway (fc.magic.ca [205.236.175.123]) by pablo.total.net (8.9.1/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA20509; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 21:31:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Kevan Staples To: Kim Flint Cc: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 13:29:26 -0400 Subject: Re: some good Echoplex news from oberheim Message-ID: References: Organization: Magic Online / TotalNet Inc. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-ID: X-Gateway: NASTA Gate 2.0 for FirstClass(R) kflint@annihilist.com (Kim Flint),Internet writes: >Despite the fun we all would have had rushing to the store to buy the last >echoplexes on earth, and bidding the used prices up into the stratosphere, >looks like the 'plex has survived the recent "adjustments" at Gibson and >Oberheim. Here's the news I seem to remember reading that Opcode Systems bought Gibson so I would assume they aquired EDP as well I hope that's a good sign Kevan From ???@??? Tue Sep 22 23:07:06 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id VAA08705; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 21:52:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 21:52:04 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Kevan Staples To: Kim Flint Cc: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 13:29:26 -0400 Subject: Re: some good Echoplex news from oberheim Message-ID: References: Organization: Magic Online / TotalNet Inc. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-ID: X-Gateway: NASTA Gate 2.0 for FirstClass(R) Resent-Message-ID: <"gr5F_1.0.Zt7.Az42s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1775 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com kflint@annihilist.com (Kim Flint),Internet writes: >Despite the fun we all would have had rushing to the store to buy the last >echoplexes on earth, and bidding the used prices up into the stratosphere, >looks like the 'plex has survived the recent "adjustments" at Gibson and >Oberheim. Here's the news I seem to remember reading that Opcode Systems bought Gibson so I would assume they aquired EDP as well I hope that's a good sign Kevan From ???@??? Tue Sep 22 23:06:29 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id RAA21082; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 17:09:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 17:09:08 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Sender: r_t_cummings@csi.com Message-ID: <360804C1.DE088269@csi.com> Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 22:12:49 +0200 From: Cummings X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [de] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: live applications: mpc2000 vs. ASR-X References: <000201bde5c5$9b3f8030$87500218@cc1006472-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"suxMj2.0.nC2.Yp02s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1772 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thanks for the information Doug, what's the address of the ASR-X list? And does anyone know of a mpc2000 list? Thanks in advance, Rob Douglas Lawrence wrote: > > I've been monitoring an ASR-X mailing list for a couple weeks since I'm in > the same boat trying to decide between the two. > > >From what I understand, the MPC-2000 with OS v1.7 is rock solid in the > sequencing department and finally reads .WAV files which is helpful. Also, > the on-board sample editing is quite easy to use. Although an effect board > is available, it's light compared to the ASR-X. The bigger screen is great > and you have a few extra pads and knobs. > > As for the ASR-X, the sequencer is not totally solid yet and has a tendency > to crash frequently (even with the latest v2.62 OS) if you tweak too much or > hit buttons too fast. I can't speak for the new ASR-X Turbo since it claims > to have OS v3.0. Many of the subscriber's seem to use an external sequencer > and computer based sample editing to make up for those shortcomings. It > seems the sampler is better quality in the ASR-X and don't the built-in MR > synth engine. The small screen is not so great, but you have velocity > sensitive pads. > > Some of the subscribers are using the ASR-X live in conjunction with an EMU > Launch Pad successfully. Others use it in conjunction with a MIDI keyboard > controller. Some of the parameters that you may want to control may not be > available real-time, like time stretching. > > With all the problems that they've experienced, the ASR-X users seem to > think that it's a one-of-a-kind tool and I think Ensoniq has shown some > commitment to development of the product with release of the "Pro" version. > It will probably be rock solid with 2 more releases of the OS. Now how long > that will take, who knows, but it seems to be a great instrument anyway. > > I was thinking about getting one from Musician's Friend. Although you may > pay a little more, you have 45 days to check out the unit and return it if > you don't like it. Last I checked, they didn't have any in-stock and this > policy may be voided for special order items. > > Doug > > -----Original Message----- > From: r_t_cummings@csi.com [mailto:r_t_cummings@csi.com] > Sent: Sunday, September 20, 1998 5:16 PM > To: Loopers Delight > Subject: live applications: mpc2000 vs. ASR-X > > Hello loopers, sorry if these toys have already been discussed in the > last few weeks while I've been away. I'm looking to get a sampling drum > machine and I'm having a hard time deciding between the two (Akai > mpc2000 vs. Ensoniq ASR-X). The Akai seems to have the edge in > user-friendliness and MIDI (two outputs), while the Ensoniq rules with > internal sounds, better filters, deeper resolution (384 ppq!). > > My question: which of these is better live, i.e. which of these can be > tweaked most effectively? > > thanks, > rob From ???@??? Tue Sep 22 23:06:44 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id SAA23576; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 18:11:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 18:11:53 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Crossedout@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 17:55:41 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: live applications: mpc2000 vs. ASR-X Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Resent-Message-ID: <"-26v02.0.yL3.7p12s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1773 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 9/21/98 8:15:51 PM Central Daylight Time, douglas- lawrence@home.com writes: << From what I understand, the MPC-2000 with OS v1.7 ... finally reads .WAV files which is helpful.>> It always (at least from 1.3 on) read .wavs, but now it can SAVE in .wav format as well. <<[on the ASR] The small screen is not so great, but you have velocity sensitive pads. >> The MPC pads can be switched into velocity sensitive mode (at least 16 levels of sensitivity). Just correcting a few minor glitches.... :) - Crossedout@aol.com From ???@??? Tue Sep 22 23:07:02 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id UAA31711; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 20:21:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 20:21:22 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Douglas Lawrence" To: Subject: RE: live applications: mpc2000 vs. ASR-X Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 20:12:55 -0400 Message-ID: <000601bde686$ea383440$87500218@cc1006472-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <360804C1.DE088269@csi.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <"lKjnN2.0.zl6.9p32s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1774 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com ASR-X mailing list is available at www.onelist.com ... search for ASR-X ... there's an archive available for searching as well. >>what's the address of the ASR-X list? >>And does anyone know of a mpc2000 list? >>Thanks in advance, >>Rob >>Douglas Lawrence wrote: > > I've been monitoring an ASR-X mailing list for a couple weeks since I'm in > the same boat trying to decide between the two. > From ???@??? Tue Sep 22 23:07:09 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id WAA19625; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 22:11:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 22:11:56 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: PJBMHB@aol.com Message-ID: <4cd16cfe.36085699@aol.com> Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 22:02:01 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re:Delta Lab Effectron Rack Units, Good, Bad, Ugly? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 41 Resent-Message-ID: <"LRCv01.0.lU3.IQ52s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1776 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com how are these units? soundwise? loopability? reliability? i have a chance to pick one up and am curious. thanks in advance. =-) PJ From ???@??? Tue Sep 22 23:07:07 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id WAA18180; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 22:09:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 22:09:10 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199809230203.LAA14634@pop1.ngy.3web.ne.jp> X-Mailer: Macintosh Eudora Pro Version 3.1.1-Jr2 In-Reply-To: References: <199809211250.VAA15790@pop1.ngy.3web.ne.jp> <36064D9E.D5459A7C@vete.ucl.ac.be><199809200705.DAA32666@rosy.yourwebhost. com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 11:02:15 +0900 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Sunao Inami Subject: Re: Live streaming from Japan tomorrow!! Resent-Message-ID: <"9O8i33.0.Qd3.AR52s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1778 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 2:46 -0300 98.9.22, Matthias Grob wrote: > Yes, its totaly on the other side:-) I think the times are wrong, or better > the day in N.Y. and London probably is the 23th, no? no. early morning at 22th.. (we played 22th evening in Japan.) > >Please hit this address by Real Player 5.0 or later. > >pnm://210.163.123.36.loopers_j.rm > > I could not understand this adress sorry. but I corrected real url in my last message.. pnm://210.163.123.36/loopers_j.rm is right. > >Streaming time is maybe 18:00 - 21:30(JST) > >then London is 10:00 - 13:30 22th,NYC is 4:00 - 7:30 22th I guess.. > > > >more info avaialable: > >http://www.threeweb.ad.jp/~cave/LD_J.html > > When I click on HERE, I come back to the initial page, could not find the > information. you can see the flyer. we offer ouur real audio streaming URL,another contact info etc in this URL. Regards Sunao Inami Work E-mail webmaster@cavestudio.com URL"CAVE Studio" http://www.cavestudio.com tel&fax +81 794 89 5025 Hyogo,Japan Home E-mail cave@osk.3web.ne.jp URL"cave home" http://www.threeweb.ad.jp/~cave/ tel&fax +81 794 89 5015 Hyogo,Japan snail mail address 316 Ohshima Kuchiyokawa Miki City Hyogo Japan 6730755 From ???@??? Tue Sep 22 23:07:08 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id WAA17916; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 22:08:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 22:08:43 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199809230203.LAA14629@pop1.ngy.3web.ne.jp> X-Mailer: Macintosh Eudora Pro Version 3.1.1-Jr2 In-Reply-To: References: <199809211250.VAA15790@pop1.ngy.3web.ne.jp> <36064D9E.D5459A7C@vete.ucl.ac.be><199809200705.DAA32666@rosy.yourwebhost. com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 11:02:15 +0900 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Sunao Inami Subject: Re: Live streaming from Japan tomorrow!! Resent-Message-ID: <"1j_xn3.0.Wb3.zQ52s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1777 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi, our live gig was complete. also real audio streaming was complete via 28.8k modem and NT machine. we really enjoyed the show. and we will make web page with pictures and real audio. Regards Sunao Inami Work E-mail webmaster@cavestudio.com URL"CAVE Studio" http://www.cavestudio.com tel&fax +81 794 89 5025 Hyogo,Japan Home E-mail cave@osk.3web.ne.jp URL"cave home" http://www.threeweb.ad.jp/~cave/ tel&fax +81 794 89 5015 Hyogo,Japan snail mail address 316 Ohshima Kuchiyokawa Miki City Hyogo Japan 6730755 From ???@??? Tue Sep 22 23:07:12 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id WAA21689; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 22:15:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 22:15:42 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <2.2.32.19980923020530.00b7145c@pop.chromatic.com> X-Sender: kflint@pop.chromatic.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 19:05:30 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: some good Echoplex news from oberheim Resent-Message-ID: <"gWFVu2.0.mk3.yR52s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1779 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 01:29 PM 9/22/98 -0400, you wrote: >kflint@annihilist.com (Kim Flint),Internet writes: >>Despite the fun we all would have had rushing to the store to buy the last >>echoplexes on earth, and bidding the used prices up into the stratosphere, >>looks like the 'plex has survived the recent "adjustments" at Gibson and >>Oberheim. Here's the news > > >I seem to remember reading that Opcode Systems bought Gibson so I would assume they aquired EDP as >well >I hope that's a good sign > >Kevan heheh, you have it backwards...that would be like a minnow swallowing godzilla....gibson bought opcode. kim ________________________________________________________ Kim Flint, MTS 408-752-9284 Chromatic Research kflint@chromatic.com http://www.chromatic.com From ???@??? Tue Sep 22 23:07:17 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id XAA11001; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 23:01:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 23:01:43 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19980923025216.00a642c4@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: gls@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 21:52:16 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Grover Sheffield Subject: Re: Echoplex SwitchQuant Resent-Message-ID: <"Ds8pA1.0.Qp1.SC62s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1780 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thanks, Dave, for asking, and Kim, for the answer. Grover >>What is the difference between CYC and CNF on the SwitchQuant parameter on >>the 'Plex? The manual just states that there is just 'off' and 'on'. >> >>Dave Eichenberger >The SwitchQuant parameter lets you select whether loop switching happens >immediately or not. There are currently three values for this parameter. > >SwitchQuant=Off >means that a press of the NextLoop button immediately sends you to the next >loop. >So if you are in loop 4, and press Next, you instantly jump to loop 5. > > >SwitchQuant=CYC >means that the Echoplex will wait until the current cycle finishes before >switching. For example, you record something in loop number 1. As the loop is >playing, you press Next somewhere in the middle. The echoplex display will show >"L 2", which tells you which loop you will be going to. Pressing Next again >shows >"L 3", and so on. When the end of the loop arrives, you jump to the one >displayed. > >If you have used Multiply on the loop you are in, the echoplex will jump to the >next loop at the end of the cycle in which you press Next. Say you have >Multiplied a loop to have 4 cycles (counting in the multiple display). You >press >Next during Multiple #2. Switching will occur at the end of multiple 2, not the >end of the whole loop. > > >SwitchQuant=Cnf >"Cnf" stands for "confirm." In this mode, the echoplex goes into a waiting >period >when you press Next. It jumps to the loop shown in the display when you >"confirm" >that you want to switch. You do this be pressing the Undo button. From ???@??? Tue Sep 22 23:07:20 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id XAA26471; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 23:27:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 23:27:25 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 22:22:26 -0500 (CDT) From: Dave Stagner To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re:Delta Lab Effectron Rack Units, Good, Bad, Ugly? In-Reply-To: <4cd16cfe.36085699@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"Nr6Vt2.0.-e5.6b62s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1781 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com On Tue, 22 Sep 1998 PJBMHB@aol.com wrote: > how are these units? soundwise? loopability? reliability? i have a chance to > pick one up and am curious. thanks in advance. I have a DeltaLab Echotron and it sounds *great*... much better than modern, quote high fidelity unquote digital delays. Old-style PCM A/D conversion rules! Sure, it's mono, and it doesn't have the bandwidth or dynamic range of newer stuff, but it's very musical. On the other hand, if it breaks, you fix it yourself or you're screwed. -dave Practice beautiful randomness and act kind of senseless. From ???@??? Tue Sep 22 23:07:26 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id BAA15685; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 01:46:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 01:46:37 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Douglas Lawrence" To: Subject: Yamaha's ASR-X or MPC2000 Competitor Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 01:41:50 -0400 Message-ID: <000101bde6b4$dd5970d0$87500218@cc1006472-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"rYS3s3.0.Xu2.Od82s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1782 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com With all the talk about the MPC-2000 and ASR-X, I finally dug up the info on the product that Yamaha is about to announce as competition to these products. It's suppose to hit the streets this Fall. I got a GIF of the prototype and it has tons of buttons, a dial wheel, and that awesome ribbon controller like on the SU-10... Yamaha SU700 Sampler Unit NASHVILLE-Yamaha Corporation of America, Audio, Guitar & Synthesizer Division, is entering a brand-new market area with the introduction of the SU700 Sampler Unit at Summer NAMM. The SU700 is a powerful, pattern-based multi-functional music production center which is a hybrid combination of a sampler, sequencer, tone generator and drum machine. It will be a great asset for the DJ and hip-hop markets as well as a valuable compositional, live performance and recording tool for the professional musician. "The SU700 crosses the boundaries of techno/hip-hop/dance into a wide range of market areas," states Avery Burdette, product manager, Digital Musical Instruments Department, Yamaha Corporation of America. "Although there are similar units out on the market, Yamaha has not had anything like it before. We're coming into this growing market area capitalizing on Yamaha's strengths. We're combining the QY pattern-based music production approach that we've developed over the years, and incorporating the sampling, loop playback type of approach into a powerful table-top unit." Included with the SU700 are an optional SCSI interface, multiple outputs, digital I/O, assignable ribbon controller, and many other functions. The SU700 has a projected list price of $1,500 and will begin shipping in September. "The SU700 is going to have a strong DJ application," adds Burdette, "plus it can be incorporated into a production studio to function with virtually any style of music. The unit's sampling, looping, ribbon controller and multi-effects processing capabilities make it naturally suited to the lo-fi/vinyl/scratch approach used by hip-hop music. It has all of those capabilities but it's certainly not limited to that. It can do much more." With the unit's sampling features, "you can sample from a CD-ROM or audio CD, transfer the audio information into the SU700 and then edit it, chop it up and slice and dice it-any way you want," says Burdette. The SU700 is totally loaded with functions and features. Its Sequencer records in either Real Time or Step mode, features 42 tracks, has an adjustable tempo from 40.0-299.9 BPM, and a resolution of 1/480. Its AWM2 (Advanced Wave Memory 2) based Tone Generator/Sampler features 64-note polyphony, adjustable data format (16-, 12-, or 8-bit linear), sampling times ranging from 44.1 kHz 16-bit stereo down to 11.025 kHz 8-bit mono, and 4MB of sampling wave memory expandable to 64MB. From ???@??? Wed Sep 23 00:45:38 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id CAA13433; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 02:37:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 02:37:12 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: CORROSIVE@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 02:31:59 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: vortex for sale?? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 2.7 for Mac sub 3 Resent-Message-ID: <"qs8nz2.0.eN2.LN92s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1783 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com anybody out there have or know where there is a vortex for sale?? From ???@??? Wed Sep 23 10:22:18 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id DAA32342; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 03:50:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 03:50:01 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <01BDE6A3.D90FF000@207-172-168-115.s52.as2.hdf.erols.com> From: JC To: "Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Subject: Jam man memory Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 03:39:59 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"zcOji.0.ol5.nLA2s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1784 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Does anyone know where I can get memory for my jamman Thanks in advance From ???@??? Wed Sep 23 10:22:23 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id JAA02514; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 09:28:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 09:28:08 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <01BDE6D2.5D88A9C0@tor-usr10.074193.aracnet.net> From: Jon Grant To: "'Loopers-Delight'" Subject: fretless guitars Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 09:08:36 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"m-O_R.0.3_6.TIF2s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1785 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Jeff Collins mentioned someone named Bobdog fitting a "stainless steele board" onto his guitars to make them fretless. Can you enlighten me as to this procedure? Years ago, when I wanted a fretless, I just went out (on the advise of a very respectable guitar tech/luthier) and bought a set of good quality metal files, then set about to filing down the frets. This took forever, and resulted in a sore arm for a few days. It worked beautifully, however, and I'm still enjoying the guitar. For those for whom cost is an issue, the files cost me $15 Canadian. As long as you're careful not so damage the actual wood on the fretboard, everything should be fine. From ???@??? Wed Sep 23 10:22:29 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id JAA07156; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 09:38:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 09:38:13 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: PJBMHB@aol.com Message-ID: <88b1704a.3608f83e@aol.com> Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 09:31:42 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: fretless guitars Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 41 Resent-Message-ID: <"kQS073.0.f61.hWF2s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1786 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com so you actually had a real FRETLESS WONDER!!! hee hee ho ho. =-) PJ From ???@??? Wed Sep 23 22:35:49 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id OAA20107; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 14:40:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 14:40:17 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3608F981.46D8@ithacastring.com> Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 13:37:05 +0000 From: Eric Aceto Reply-To: eric@ithacastring.com Organization: Ithaca Stringed Instruments X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: violin loopers in NYC References: <199809231443.HAA12056@scv2.apple.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"AQSjD.0.6o2.-pJ2s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1792 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hello any violin loopers in the NYC area. We have been invited to exibit at the Celebration of American Excelence on sept 26 and 27 , 11am. to 5pm. in the Landon Gallery,across from Lincoln Center. There should be lots of beautiful fiddles there and I will have a rig with looping capability all set up.Stop on by and introduce yourself. Best regards, Eric http://www.ithacastring.com From ???@??? Wed Sep 23 10:22:44 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id LAA24972; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 11:09:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 11:09:33 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <36090ADF.7DEBC7AE@texas.net> Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 09:51:16 -0500 From: Bobdog Catlin Reply-To: psbuddha@texas.net Organization: Pseudo Buddha/Doghouse Ent. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: fretless guitars References: <01BDE6D2.5D88A9C0@tor-usr10.074193.aracnet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"hXjPp.0.7w2.NeG2s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1788 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com hello fretless folks: bobdog here. i have several fretless electric & acoustic guitars - some were already done when i got 'em, others i've de-fretted myself. this all stems from being jealous of the melodic expressiveness of the sarod & fretless bass. i haven't pursued just intonations any further than elementary hindustani music studies. i've never filed the frets down as jon grant has done, i'm far too lazy. i use a flathead screwdriver which has been curved & sharpened to pry the frets out very slowly, using the curve as a fulcrum. i then fill the slot created by the fret tang with 20-25 mil plastic inserts. this plastic is hard enough to keep the neck from warping (& it gives cheater marks for those of us who need that!). all of this takes a full afternoon or 2. how i finish the fingerboard depends upon the tone i want from the instrument: raw wood (sometimes waxed w/carnuba) for a softer tone; kinda jaco sounding on electric, 'ud sonding on acoustic clear epoxy for that bengali dotar, glass-like sound stainless steel for that crisp, sharp sarod sound using the fingernail to stop the plain strings - re: sarod technique - gets a sharper sustained note than using the pads of the finger - re: guitar technique. going back & forth between these 2 styles makes for nice tonal contrast. thats my 2 cents. bobdog From ???@??? Wed Sep 23 10:22:43 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id LAA20011; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 11:01:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 11:01:10 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199809231443.HAA12056@scv2.apple.com> Subject: FS: Vortex $225 (not mine) Date: Wed, 23 Sep 98 09:43:34 -0600 x-sender: hartne.t@mail.apple.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: Travis Hartnett To: "Looper's Delight" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <"51QMJ.0.si2.2dG2s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1787 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Someone was asking about finding a used Vortex. Here's an ad from Harmony Central, in case anyone's interested. If so, respond to the e-mail address in the ad, not to me. Best of luck, Travis Hartnett ****************************************************************** ***** FS/T LEXICON VORTEX morphing effects unit Asking Price: US$225 Condition: Mint Age: N/A Description: mint lexicon vortex, includes, box, manual, warrenty card, ac, foot switches, cables this is the most out there sound effects rack unit around ! Includes chorus, pitch shifting, ring mod, tremolo, delay, reverb etc True stereo operation !! effects routable and controble in many ways, including input singnal, foot switch, pitch etc audio morph allows to you morph in real time between presents !! amazing sounds when left in between the two settings. im asking $250 but really would like to trade more stuff i want to trade for/towards: (((((((( Kawia K5000s ))))))))))) ((((((((( Ensoniq DP/2 or DP/4 )))))))))) ((((((((((( Boss SE70 or SE50 or GX7000 )))))))))))) ((((((((((( BC Rich Warlock or "v" stlye guitar )))))))))) ((((((((((( ESP 'v' stlye guitar ))))))))))))) Seller: jeff m, E-mail: lqdsnddist@aol.com Location: WESTERVILLE, OH Post Date: 9/22/98 From ???@??? Wed Sep 23 10:23:07 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id MAA10161; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 12:34:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 12:34:02 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: magostin@trabajo.gov.ar X-Lotus-FromDomain: MTSS To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-ID: <03256688.0058055C.00@samba.trabajo.gov.ar> Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 13:15:03 -0300 Subject: JUST 2 QUESTIONS Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"qEyxf2.0.0-7.rwH2s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1789 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hello. I'm Marcelo and i'm from Argentina. I don't know if this is the right place to ask for info, but i have to try. The fact is that i want to buy a Guitar MultiFX, the BOSS ME30. In my country is over $(dollars)400... I have my parents touring in Frankfurt and i thought they can buy me the ME 30 in a lower price. This are the questions: Where, in Frankfurt, can i tell them to buy me the ME 30? and: Do you have any idea of that item's price (dollars) in Germany? Thanks a million for your time, even if you can't answer me. Marcelo. From ???@??? Wed Sep 23 10:23:08 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id MAA09427; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 12:32:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 12:32:50 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <2148EC143F29D1118BE000805FC13CD067EBC9@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: fretless guitars Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 11:22:47 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Resent-Message-ID: <"kM02n1.0.4w.31I2s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1790 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > how i finish the fingerboard depends upon the tone i want from the > instrument: > raw wood (sometimes waxed w/carnuba) for a softer tone; kinda jaco > sounding > on electric, 'ud sonding on acoustic > clear epoxy for that bengali dotar, glass-like sound > stainless steel for that crisp, sharp sarod sound > > fyi: it is said that jaco pastorious used boat (finish?) epoxy on his fretboards to get his sound. I prefer "raw" wood for my fretless sound, sounds more 'cello/bass viol-like. david fuzinski uses a fretless fingerboard on a guitar, I can't remember whether or not it's coated. he uses flatwound strings tho'. stig From ???@??? Wed Sep 23 10:23:11 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id MAA22780; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 12:55:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 12:55:15 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980923094935.006c184c@popper.simi-valley.tt.slb.com > X-Sender: cavaleri@popper.simi-valley.tt.slb.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 09:49:36 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Joe Cavaleri Subject: Re: Jam man memory Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"BvxEN.0.5s3.yKI2s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1791 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Try Visionsoft. I got mine there and they worked fine. About $50.00 at the time. The prices may have dropped by now. http://www.visionsoft.com/ good luck joe At 03:39 AM 9/23/98 -0400, you wrote: >Does anyone know where I can get memory for my jamman > >Thanks in advance > > > From ???@??? Wed Sep 23 22:35:52 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id OAA30589; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 14:59:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 14:59:33 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 14:50:25 -0400 (EDT) From: Adam Levin X-Sender: alevin@ari.ari.net To: "'Loopers-Delight'" Subject: Re: fretless guitars In-Reply-To: <01BDE6D2.5D88A9C0@tor-usr10.074193.aracnet.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"6MXKG1.0.vM6.CCK2s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1793 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com On Wed, 23 Sep 1998, Jon Grant wrote: > Jeff Collins mentioned someone named Bobdog fitting a "stainless > steele board" onto his guitars to make them fretless. Can you enlighten > me as to this procedure? Years ago, when I wanted a fretless, I just > went out (on the advise of a very respectable guitar tech/luthier) and > bought a set of good quality metal files, then set about to filing down > the frets. This took forever, and resulted in a sore arm for a few > days. It worked beautifully, however, and I'm still enjoying the > guitar. For those for whom cost is an issue, the files cost me $15 > Canadian. As long as you're careful not so damage the actual wood on > the fretboard, everything should be fine. Yaman, the guitarist in my band plays a fretless guitar that he put together and hand carved the body himself. Here's what he said about the neck: "The company I got it from is called Warmoth. They specialize in making necks for Strats. They'll customize to what you need (type of wood for neck and fretboard (mine is mahogany/ebony), with or without tuners, etc). It's located in either Oregon or Washington state (they have ads in Acoustic Guitar magazine and probably in others)." -Adam --- "...if one strives at hearing for the sake of constant virtue, out of seeking liberation from cyclic existence, gradually one becomes a Hearer." - Chandrakirti T h e D a r k A e t h e r P r o j e c t http://www.darkaether.net/ From ???@??? Wed Sep 23 22:35:57 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id PAA05360; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 15:13:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 15:13:35 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: robm@mailgate.nytimes.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19980923094935.006c184c@popper.simi-valley.tt.slb.com > Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 15:01:30 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Robert Monn Subject: Re: Jam man memory Resent-Message-ID: <"An8UD.0.NJ7.2JK2s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1794 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com the catalog lists this: 1x4-70ns Page Zip (Jam Mem Upgrade) @ $9.95 how many of these do i need? robm _________________________________ /robb monn -- robm@nytimes.com | From ???@??? Wed Sep 23 22:36:03 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id PAA21496; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 15:43:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 15:43:34 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: robm@mailgate.nytimes.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <01BDE6D2.5D88A9C0@tor-usr10.074193.aracnet.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 15:29:45 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Robert Monn Subject: Want to trade Powermac for SCSI sampler Resent-Message-ID: <"zVXt6.0.rw2.TjK2s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1795 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com hey, I'm posting htis everywhere so I might as well try it here: I have a nice powermac 7100 with 2gig HD, 32MB RAM (could be 64 if the deal is sweet), 56K modem, os 8.1, protools installed and working for stereo in out and bounce, keyboard, mouse and 24bit vid card. you could spend $450 on this guy and make it a g3, you could spend $300 and put an audiomedia II card in it for pro level sound (the built in sound is pretty good, too). If you get the audiomedia II, BTW, there is a $50 program that will allow you to have multiple delays as long as you have RAM... check it out here: http://www.hku.nl/~pieter/SOFT/SP.html. What I want badly is a S1000 w/ SCSI+RAM, an S1000PB with SCSI +RAM, an S1100 with SCSI/RAM, an ESI32 or any other SCSI sampler that will work with recycle and has 8 MB of RAM (r is easily expandable.) As the machine is I think that this would make a good trade. Check out that audiomedia II program, too.... very cool for loopers. This thing will also run supercollider, which is great for programming your own DSP-style effects... long delays with resonany filters, etc. robm@nytimes.com (212-597-8104) _________________________________ /robb monn -- robm@nytimes.com | From ???@??? Wed Sep 23 22:36:04 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id QAA18115; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 16:37:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 16:37:48 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: From: "Schreier, Steven (Steven)" To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: fretless guitars Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 14:05:21 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"uedWs.0.uE.tHL2s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1796 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Files? I had my frets expertly removed from my guitar tech which then in turn filled them in with a white resin-polymer substance. It plays fantastic and look beautiful. Plus I can still somewhat keep my intonation. Steven J. Schreier Something Audio Studios San Diego, Ca. Voice:ÊÊÊ 619.297.2614 Fax:ÊÊÊÊÊÊ619.874.1701 E-mail:Ê schreier@lucent.com Ê From ???@??? Wed Sep 23 22:36:19 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id UAA13008; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 20:24:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 20:24:09 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980923171217.006c1e44@popper.simi-valley.tt.slb.com > X-Sender: cavaleri@popper.simi-valley.tt.slb.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 17:12:34 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Joe Cavaleri Subject: Re: Jam man memory Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"yZk2O.0.Vl.8qO2s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1797 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com The upgrade requires 4 chips. joe At 03:01 PM 9/23/98 -0400, you wrote: >the catalog lists this: > >1x4-70ns Page Zip (Jam Mem Upgrade) @ $9.95 > >how many of these do i need? > >robm > > _________________________________ >/robb monn -- robm@nytimes.com | > > > > From ???@??? Wed Sep 23 22:36:23 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id VAA00779; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 21:09:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 21:09:29 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: PMimlitsch@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 20:56:09 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, taptalk@ari.net, RP-1-L@ecn.nl Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Thurs. gig Content-type: text/plain X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 84 Resent-Message-ID: <"P2BcJ3.0.ks6.wYP2s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1798 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com "Explorations in Time and Space" - soundscapes and improvisations. Cafe Seattle, Haddon Ave./Redman St., Haddonfield, N.J. (609) 354-2220 Thurs. evening 7:30 - 9:30 no cover Paul Mimlitsch (touchstyle Warr¨ guitar/loops), Jody Janetta (percussion/voice) From ???@??? Wed Sep 23 22:36:29 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id XAA20882; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 23:48:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 23:48:33 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3609BFCD.1B4@erols.com> Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 23:43:09 -0400 From: Michael Preston Reply-To: michpres@erols.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: EDP puzzle References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"B5gD_.0.Mb2.1rR2s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1799 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Kim, Thanks for the suggestions. I wasn't ever really using the pedal. It looks like it probably needs to ship out to Nashville for some therapy. I contacted Mike Ayers. He responded immediately with a few diagnosis-oriented questions, and we'll see what he recommends. I wish I had a spare EDP. Michael Kim Flint wrote: > > If you are using a footpedal, check that the front panel works when you > unplug it. It could be the cable or a dirty jack or something. Elsewise, I > hear that Gibson/Oberheim is reinstating their crack echoplex support > squad, contact them for repairs. They should be able to handle it. (877) > OBERHEIM or obie@gibson.com or Mike Ayers . > > kim > > >Hi Loopers, > > > >My EDP seems to be misbehaving. When I powered it up today, it went > >through its LED power-up routine, and finished with digits "198" in the > >looptime LED frames, "1L" in the multiple LED frames, and the green > >light under the record button. When I push the record button, nothing > >happens. From ???@??? Thu Sep 24 10:48:16 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id FAA09572; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 05:05:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 05:05:27 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <360A1737.9F30A1D7@vete.ucl.ac.be> Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 10:56:08 +0100 From: Malhomme Reply-To: malhomme@vete.ucl.ac.be X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [fr] (Macintosh; I; PPC) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: fretless References: <199809240705.DAA01358@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"cHM8V2.0.342.rVW2s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1800 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com IU have a fretless guitar; It was previously a fretted instrument who got it's frets go to no-fretland. The board was then worked on and it stayed "wood". I think I'd like to know anyway how to test a metal board... Olivier Malhommme From ???@??? Thu Sep 24 10:48:52 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: from raven.prod.itd.earthlink.net (raven.prod.itd.earthlink.net [209.178.63.9]) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) with ESMTP id MAA19490 for <:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com>; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 12:19:59 -0400 Received: from 0QHC6SIA (sdn-ar-001ohcoluP257.dialsprint.net [168.191.28.19]) by raven.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA23846 for <: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com>; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 09:20:59 -0700 (PDT) From: "Collins" To: <:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com> Subject: fretless guitars Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 12:17:51 -0400 Message-ID: <01bde7d6$e1028be0$131cbfa8@0QHC6SIA> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 To all those interested in fretless guitars. Vigier guitars in France (played by the likes of Shawn Lane and Ron Thal) has begun to make a fretless guitar with a Delta Metal Stainless Steel fingerboard that has no radius to it. If you're interested in taking a look, you can go to.... http://www.vigierguitars.com/indexp.htm and check out the fretless from them. Their company is like the Tom Anderson guitars but from France. Jeff Collins From ???@??? Thu Sep 24 10:48:58 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id MAA24758; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 12:47:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 12:47:35 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <2C396693FBDED111AEF60000F84104A71A64C9@indyexch_fddi.indy.tce.com> From: Hoover Alan To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: test Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 11:28:44 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"SIiv2.0.295.mCd2s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1801 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com test From ???@??? Fri Sep 25 01:32:06 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id OAA08400; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 14:14:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 14:14:58 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199809241753.KAA16680@scv4.apple.com> Subject: New (?) looper: Lexicon MPX-G2 Date: Thu, 24 Sep 98 12:54:15 -0600 x-sender: hartne.t@mail.apple.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: Travis Hartnett To: "Looper's Delight" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <"yWv2I2.0.AD1.iVe2s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1802 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Looking through the new Guitar Player, I see an ad for the Lexicon MPX-G2, a preamp with a number of neat features (listed on Lex's website), the most notable of which for the LD group is the "20 second JamMan" mode. Perhaps Greg Hogan could shed some more light on the details of this? Travis Hartnett From ???@??? Fri Sep 25 01:32:23 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id QAA02468; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 16:45:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 16:45:02 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 16:26:26 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Andy Butlers Vortex Database Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 171 Resent-Message-ID: <"uSGOK.0.Tr7.Vhg2s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1803 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I'm back after a long time, the link from LD will be working by tomorrow, ....honest From ???@??? Fri Sep 25 01:32:26 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id UAA02139; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 20:45:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 20:45:46 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Makoto333@aol.com Message-ID: <18222c0f.360ae5f5@aol.com> Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 20:38:13 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: EDP feature ? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 167 Resent-Message-ID: <"lMRe_3.0.6I.VNk2s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1804 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I know this has been discussed here before, but for some reason i can't find the info i'm looking for in the archives. What is the reserved feature on the EDP do? It wasn't functional until the most recent upgrade, correct? Sorry to make folks answer the same question.... Many thanks, pete From ???@??? Fri Sep 25 01:32:28 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id VAA04824; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 21:07:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 21:07:08 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <2.2.32.19980925005710.009e6918@pop.chromatic.com> X-Sender: kflint@pop.chromatic.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 17:57:10 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: EDP feature ? Resent-Message-ID: <"3vswn1.0.No.odk2s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1805 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 08:38 PM 9/24/98 EDT, you wrote: > >I know this has been discussed here before, but for some reason >i can't find the info i'm looking for in the archives. > >What is the reserved feature on the EDP do? It wasn't functional >until the most recent upgrade, correct? It doesn't do anything yet, it's still reserved for a future upgrade. We're adding a function for it, though. kim ________________________________________________________ Kim Flint, MTS 408-752-9284 Chromatic Research kflint@chromatic.com http://www.chromatic.com From ???@??? Fri Sep 25 10:40:25 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id FAA16283; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 05:09:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 05:09:24 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <360B5CAA.DF40D1F2@musician.org> Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 02:04:47 -0700 From: eric potter Reply-To: eric@musician.org Organization: Hog Wild Music and Sound FX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Digitech RDS-8000, RDS 3.6 - good loop tools? References: <36064E6D.A8EA79F5@musician.org> <36071424.7027@voicenet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"-XIyw3.0.Lr3.Tlr2s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1806 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com legion wrote: As a sound processor I think these things are amazing. I use my 3.6 sec > (mid period) delay all the time for almost everything live. > ...but there's not much chance of layering (at least not in the EPD or > Jamman sense) > and you can't play something backwards or anything like that. Why no layering? Does the feedback not suatain a phrase long enough to get more than a couple passes over it? Is there a structural limitation? > Thanks for your other points-eric p. From ???@??? Fri Sep 25 10:41:21 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id MAA20921 for kflint@annihilist.com; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 12:26:46 -0400 Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 12:26:46 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-From_: HooverA@tce.com Fri Sep 25 12:26:42 1998 Received: from tcemail.indy.tce.com (inet-gw.indy.tce.com [157.254.232.6]) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) with ESMTP id MAA20888 for ; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 12:26:42 -0400 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by tcemail.indy.tce.com (8.8.8/8.8.3) id LAA10820 for ; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 11:27:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from unknown(157.254.93.122) by seawall.indy.tce.com via smap (4.1) id xma010805; Fri, 25 Sep 98 11:27:32 -0500 Received: by indyglobal.indy.tce.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 11:27:32 -0500 Message-ID: <2C396693FBDED111AEF60000F84104A71A64D7@indyexch_fddi.indy.tce.com> From: Hoover Alan To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: test Old-Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 11:27:30 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain X-Diagnostic: undecipherable, help sent X-Envelope-To: Loopers-Delight From ???@??? Fri Sep 25 22:23:54 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id UAA29105; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 20:43:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 20:43:54 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Edward_Chang@mail.amsinc.com X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMSINC To: ManleyCB3@aol.com, BLAISE SIWULA , Downtown Music Gallery , "Elaine M. Kaplinsky" , fateravenglass@geocities.com, G.Miles@prodigy.com (MR GARY S MILES), grace chang , KitBraz@aol.com, "Laura Parent" , Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, mmusgrove@schawk.com (Misty Musgrove), "jreigart" , PMimlitsch@aol.com, phiba-improv@wnur.nwu.edu, CreepyGirl@aol.com, mooncrow@ix.netcom.com, fibo@op.net, hiss@newyorkcity.com, abz@inch.com, houseofboo@aol.com, bebopj@ix.netcom.com, minebody@interport.net, Maxvwolf@interport.com, dimsumclip@aol.com, offshore@walrus.com, roulette@artswire.org, tatsuya@earthlink.net, stevenj@aumfidelity.com, CelliOO5@aol.com, rkleier@aol.com, liuambrose@juno.com, firstavenue@aol.com, kato@expandedears.com, spencerp@staff.juno.com, telly@attitudefilms.com, wkcrnewmusic@columbia.com Message-ID: <8525668B.0002EC86.00@ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com> Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 20:34:50 -0400 Subject: The Moment Of (Gig Announcement) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"oV1gi1.0.4k6.xO33s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1807 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com A Special Performance of "THE MOMENT OF" at ABC noRio, 156 Rivington, NYC Sunday, September 27, 8PM featuring Motoko Shimizu (Voice & Turntable/Japan) Ed Chang (Guitar & Electronics/NYC) John Kennedy (Drums & Detritus/Texas) Greg Wildes (Reeds and Prepared Reeds/New Orleans) "...improvised construction and demolition of melodic/sonic/harmonic sound forms, usually all at the same time....all degrees of density are explored" This will be "The Moment Of"'s FIRST and LAST gig in the United States. Due to various Obscenity laws regarding taste and restraint recently passed in Congress, The Moment Of feels as a group that these shores will no longer be a nurturing atmosphere conducive to renegade musical concerns such as those explored by groups they don't even like, let alone by "The Moment Of". Be there this Sunday to see & hear this once in 5 lifetimes worth of experimental skullduggery and truculence. SUNDAY September 27, 1998 8 PM, $3 ABC noRio 156 Rivington St (2 blocks below Houston, between Clinton and Suffolk) (212)254-3697 Also on the Bill : Laurie Hefner - Accordion & Vocals From ???@??? Sun Sep 27 01:59:19 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id EAA29820; Sun, 27 Sep 1998 04:00:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 04:00:27 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199809270748.QAA16267@pop1.ngy.3web.ne.jp> X-Mailer: Macintosh Eudora Pro Version 3.1.1-Jr2 In-Reply-To: <360B5CAA.DF40D1F2@musician.org> References: <36064E6D.A8EA79F5@musician.org> <36071424.7027@voicenet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/enriched; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 16:46:33 +0900 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Sunao Inami Subject: "Looer's Delight J" web page Resent-Message-ID: <"uCp6A.0.I47.zrU3s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1809 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com GenevaHi Loopers, Our live show, "Looer's Delight J" review page available. you can hear our music by Real Audio. Please visit to: http://www.cavestudio.com/LD_J Regards Sunao Inami Work E-mail webmaster@cavestudio.com URL"CAVE Studio" http://www.cavestudio.com tel&fax +81 794 89 5025 Hyogo,Japan From ???@??? Sun Sep 27 01:59:17 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id DAA29746; Sun, 27 Sep 1998 03:59:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 03:59:49 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199809270747.QAA16255@pop1.ngy.3web.ne.jp> X-Mailer: Macintosh Eudora Pro Version 3.1.1-Jr2 In-Reply-To: <360B5CAA.DF40D1F2@musician.org> References: <36064E6D.A8EA79F5@musician.org> <36071424.7027@voicenet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/enriched; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 16:46:33 +0900 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Sunao Inami Subject: Re: Digitech RDS-8000, RDS 3.6 - good loop tools? Resent-Message-ID: <"NfsZo3.0.G37.DrU3s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1808 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com GenevaHi Loopers, Our live show, "Looer's Delight J" review page available. you can hear our music by Real Audio. Please visit to: http://www.cavestudio.com/LD_J Regards Sunao Inami Work E-mail webmaster@cavestudio.com URL"CAVE Studio" http://www.cavestudio.com tel&fax +81 794 89 5025 Hyogo,Japan From ???@??? Mon Sep 28 12:15:09 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id RAA27446; Sun, 27 Sep 1998 17:50:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 17:50:31 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199809272138.OAA05456@magpie.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Subject: Layering with the RDS 8000, 3.7 sec delay Date: Sun, 27 Sep 98 16:42:14 +0100 x-sender: tiktok@pop.a001.sprintmail.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0, March 15, 1997 From: Tiktok Mobile HQ To: "Looper's Delight" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <"WrOLe3.0.LO6.W0h3s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1811 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Both of those units allow layering. I've never counted the exact number of repeats when the feedback knob is cranked up all the way, but as I recall, it's somewhere between 10 and 16, depending on how loud your output feed is. Travis Hartett From ???@??? Mon Sep 28 12:15:03 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id OAA06393; Sun, 27 Sep 1998 14:26:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 14:26:14 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: GRAIGORY2@aol.com Message-ID: <5b1fd376.360e8105@aol.com> Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 14:16:37 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: "Looer's Delight J" web page Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 224 Resent-Message-ID: <"E5b9f2.0.6J1.e3e3s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1810 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com How many people on this list are involved with the creation of Hip Hop music? From ???@??? Mon Sep 28 12:15:11 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id RAA27929; Sun, 27 Sep 1998 17:54:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 17:54:53 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <360EB154.A20F7981@bellsouth.net> Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 17:42:44 -0400 From: Jeff Duke X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: "Looer's Delight J" web page References: <5b1fd376.360e8105@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"hgNq92.0.aT6.m3h3s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1812 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com test GRAIGORY2@aol.com wrote: > How many people on this list are involved with the creation of Hip Hop music? From ???@??? Mon Sep 28 12:15:21 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id UAA13688; Sun, 27 Sep 1998 20:54:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 20:54:06 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Reply-To: From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: Subject: RE: Layering with the RDS 8000, 3.7 sec delay Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 17:42:18 -0700 Message-ID: <000001bdea78$da5f5da0$a332dacf@stepheng> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <199809272138.OAA05456@magpie.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Resent-Message-ID: <"R_eBf1.0.c33.9jj3s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1813 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tiktok Mobile HQ [mailto:tiktok@sprintmail.com] > Both of those units allow layering. I've never counted the > exact number of repeats when the feedback knob is cranked > up all the way, but as I recall, it's somewhere between 10 and > 16, depending on how loud your output feed is. It's 16 layers deep on the 7.6 Time Machine at Max Feedback. Far be it from most processor-RAM components today to not use a factor of 8 or 16 in their figuring . Stephen GoodmanÊ -Ê It's... The Loop Of The Week (Mary Frann)! EarthLight StudiosÊ -Ê http://www.earthlight.net/Studios From ???@??? Mon Sep 28 12:16:22 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id FAA25583; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 05:00:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 05:00:30 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <360F4E49.C3B43BEB@musician.org> Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 01:52:29 -0700 From: eric potter Reply-To: eric@musician.org Organization: Hog Wild Music and Sound FX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: The Moment Of... Excuses? References: <8525668B.0002EC86.00@ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"m3pKd2.0.A46.lrq3s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1814 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > This will be "The Moment Of"'s FIRST and LAST gig in the United States. > Due to various Obscenity laws regarding taste and restraint recently > passed in Congress, The Moment Of feels as a group that these shores will > no longer be a nurturing atmosphere conducive to renegade musical concerns > such as those explored by groups they don't even like, let alone by "The > Moment Of". I think this is a crock of shit, basically. If you can't beat 'em - then split? Despite certain congressional reactionaries, there has never been a higher degree of public acceptance of obscene, absurd, critical or even revolutionary cutltural content since the invention of government. Are things so bad here that 'renegade musical concerns' have to leave? Sure, there are plenty of other places to live and work where audiences are more open-minded and radical content can be encouraged. If I had the chance to work in this kind of inspiring and inviting atmosphere, I'd go for it, too. But we still need our domestic cultural dissidents here at home. I hope "The Moment Of" are indeed attracted to something different and encouraging, as opposed to resorting to fleeing the oppressive U.S. government. If the latter is truly the case, they are leaving us when we need them most. -eric p. los angeles p.s. if I were in NYC, I'd check it out. I'll spread the word to my Brooklyn buddies. From ???@??? Mon Sep 28 12:16:52 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id KAA18825; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 10:31:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 10:31:25 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Edward_Chang@mail.amsinc.com X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMSINC To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-ID: <8525668D.004C84CA.00@ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com> Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 09:59:10 -0400 Subject: Re: The Moment Of... Excuses? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"qBvcG1.0.3m3.0Qv3s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1815 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >>> This will be "The Moment Of"'s FIRST and LAST gig in the United States. > Due to various Obscenity laws regarding taste and restraint recently > passed in Congress, The Moment Of feels as a group that these shores will >> no longer be a nurturing atmosphere conducive to renegade musical concerns >>I think this is a crock of shit, basically. If you can't beat 'em - then split?<<< actually it was our last gig as a group in the States because our drummer is quitting. But that just didn't sound pretentious enough... From ???@??? Tue Sep 29 11:40:09 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id PAA05412; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 15:55:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 15:55:48 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <360F4E49.C3B43BEB@musician.org> References: <8525668B.0002EC86.00@ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 12:31:37 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: The Moment Of... Excuses? Resent-Message-ID: <"fbSIm1.0.CF.JH-3s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1816 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >> This will be "The Moment Of"'s FIRST and LAST gig in the United States. >> Due to various Obscenity laws regarding taste and restraint recently >> passed in Congress, The Moment Of feels as a group that these shores will >> no longer be a nurturing atmosphere conducive to renegade musical concerns >> such as those explored by groups they don't even like, let alone by "The >> Moment Of". > >I think this is a crock of shit, basically. If you can't beat 'em - then >split? Despite certain congressional reactionaries, there has never been a >higher degree of public acceptance of obscene, absurd, critical or even >revolutionary cutltural content since the invention of government. Are things >so bad here that 'renegade musical concerns' have to leave? holy humor impairment, batdude! I thought that was one of the better gig descriptions I've seen in a while... So Ed, how did the show go? Anybody go see it? I spent the weekend cleaning in anticipation of visiting relatives rather than being subverted by dissidents. wheeeee..... kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Tue Sep 29 11:40:36 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id BAA10167; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 01:58:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 01:58:47 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Sender: mpeters@csi.com Message-ID: <01BDEB7D.0E2EA820.mpeters@csi.com> From: Michael Peters To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: 3rd cd project Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 23:34:00 +0200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-Mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"9GTbI.0.-E2.HH74s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1817 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Now that the 1st Looper's Delight CD is finished (a website will come soon), and the 2nd one almost, I wonder what happened to the 3rd CD project. John? * michael peters mpeters@csi.com * "escape veloopity" electronic guitar loop music * http://listen.to/michaelpeters From ???@??? Tue Sep 29 11:41:06 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id LAA22450; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 11:21:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 11:21:25 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3610F35F.13DEE763@bway.net> Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 10:49:03 -0400 From: Matthew Pierce X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: 3rd cd project References: <01BDEB7D.0E2EA820.mpeters@csi.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"GQegJ3.0.cX4.QGF4s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1818 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Michael Peters wrote: > Now that the 1st Looper's Delight CD is finished (a website will come soon), > and the 2nd one almost, I wonder what happened to the 3rd CD project. John? > How does one submit material to be considered for the next Looper's Delight CD? Matthew Pierce From ???@??? Tue Sep 29 11:41:04 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id LAA21632; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 11:14:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 11:14:25 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: ANET@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 10:57:03 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: 3rd cd project Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 170 Resent-Message-ID: <"ZzDm_.0.ri4.RKF4s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1819 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Michael; No excuses from me, i have all of the submissions, i have contacted the studio to do the mix down, i spent 2 months mixing down my own work, and i dropped it. no money, except from stephan in switzerland has been accepted. i am almost ready to start up again, i guess i need pressure from the list, i didn't realize the amount of work these little projects can have. That and the fact i work as a network engineer in my day job (a drain), i was performing regularly (mega work), and having some stuff goin' on in my personal life (very positive, but a lot of work). i bumped the priority to zero sometime this summer. So, with fall here- things are looking better. Oh by the way, michael, reconsider a track on the project? Love your stuff. regards to all and keep on playing! John Peters From ???@??? Tue Sep 29 12:47:08 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id OAA22292; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 14:49:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 14:49:16 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3611269E.2BEEE488@dial.pipex.com> Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 19:27:42 +0100 From: Gareth Whittock X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com CC: Loopers-Delight-d@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V98 #146 References: <199809290709.DAA16109@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"j7d3V2.0.CW4.KOI4s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1820 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hello everybody, I dicovered this mailing list last Friday and I was staggered. I had no idea you people existed. I've been looping, (off and on) since the mid '70's, (yes, I know but you're never too old to loop) I started off using a WEM copycat echo which had a loop of tape and 3 replay tape heads fitted to its surface, (+ record and erase). I discovered that if you covered up the erase head with a little piece of cardboard you could build up a sound-on-sound effect. I ended up with three, (two stood on their sides with a 6 foot long loop travelling between them - great stuff). I currently use a zoom 8080 which is absolutely LUSH, (4 sec and 32 sec parallel delays + ring mod, octaver efects send etc etc) all in one box with two peadals and tons of switches, all transmit MIDI controller data, (you can tell I'm a fan, can't you?) Anyway I look forward to bouncing some ideas around with you lot. And there was I thinking I was the only one - what an egotist! Incidentally I'm in Wales, (UK) Best wishes to you all, Gareth From ???@??? Tue Sep 29 18:57:05 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id QAA07489; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 16:18:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 16:18:44 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <36113F2F.7B0E61B7@musician.org> Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 13:12:34 -0700 From: eric potter Reply-To: eric@musician.org Organization: Hog Wild Music and Sound FX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: The Moment Of... Relief References: <8525668D.004C84CA.00@ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"1MP9o1.0.YT1.HvJ4s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1822 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Edward_Chang@mail.amsinc.com wrote: > >>> This will be "The Moment Of"'s FIRST and LAST gig in the United States. > > Due to various Obscenity laws regarding taste and restraint recently > > passed in Congress, The Moment Of feels as a group that these shores will > >> no longer be a nurturing atmosphere conducive to renegade musical > concerns > > >>I think this is a crock of shit, basically. If you can't beat 'em - then > split?<<< > > actually it was our last gig as a group in the States because our drummer > is quitting. But that just didn't sound pretentious enough... Whew, now I feel better. I guess if you're going to cease to exist you might as well take a shot at the bastards on the way out. good luck, eric p. From ???@??? Tue Sep 29 18:57:10 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id QAA10606; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 16:36:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 16:36:29 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <361140DE.A4405988@dial.pipex.com> Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 21:19:42 +0100 From: Gareth Whittock X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Michael Pycraft Hughes, PhD" CC: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: 32 Secs on Zoom 8080??? References: <199809290709.DAA16109@rosy.yourwebhost.com> <3.0.1.16.19980929203432.0e6fa01e@mailhost.elec.gla.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"HX-kB3.0.1o1.W1K4s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1824 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > > >Hi Mike, > I take it you didn't play live! ;) When I played live it was using a couple od reel to reels for ping pong stereo with better fidelity. with a band called "Whirlin' Myrlyn and the transistor sisters", We played Celtic reels, jigs and airs using some home made synths as well as penny whistles etc. > > >I currently use a zoom 8080 which is absolutely LUSH, > >(4 sec and 32 sec parallel delays + ring mod, octaver efects send > >etc etc) > > I'm intrigued .... I know the 8080 has a 4-sec loop mechanism, but 32-sec > parallel? I don't follow. If there's one of them in the 8080 I may just > sell my JamMan....! OOps! before you rush out and sell your Jam man It's all been a terrible mistake. 2 seconds only, in parallel with the 4s. Maybe that was some sort of subconscious wish bursting out! Sorry for the confusion. > > I'm in Glasgow (UK), but come from Holyhead and lived in Bangor for 7 > years... whereabouts in the Land of my Fathers are you? > South Wales, just North of Pontypridd. Hwyl, Gareth From ???@??? Tue Sep 29 18:57:11 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id QAA10563; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 16:36:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 16:36:13 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <361140E8.29E6BE07@musician.org> Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 13:19:56 -0700 From: eric potter Reply-To: eric@musician.org Organization: Hog Wild Music and Sound FX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: The Moment Of...Subversive Infiltration References: <8525668B.0002EC86.00@ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"7Tqd_3.0.zk1.C0K4s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1823 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Kim Flint wrote: > I spent the weekend cleaning in anticipation of visiting relatives rather than > being subverted by > dissidents. wheeeee..... > > kim That's *exactly* what they want you to think... -eric p > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html > http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com So Ed, how did the show go? Anybody go see it? I spent the weekend cleaning > in anticipation of visiting relatives rather than being subverted by > dissidents. wheeeee..... > > kim > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html > http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Tue Sep 29 18:57:26 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id RAA21549; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 17:42:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 17:42:49 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <36114A51.6F5A88A3@bellsouth.net> Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 17:00:01 -0400 From: Jeff Duke X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: 32 Secs on Zoom 8080??? References: <199809290709.DAA16109@rosy.yourwebhost.com> <3.0.1.16.19980929203432.0e6fa01e@mailhost.elec.gla.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"GvMS31.0.BX3.UdK4s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1825 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Welcome Gareth, Your in for a treat with this list! I have learned alot and have gotten to hear much weird and wonderful music. I just spotted in the new Thouroghbred catalog another Zoom unit; the 2100 multi effects sampler system, it states that its just right for practicing and jamming. It features a 32 sec. sampler and three 5 sec samplers. Apparently you can speed it up and slow it down without affecting the pitch. With 32 effects, 6 simul. its going for a whopping 149.99. I gotta get this one. Jeff Duke Michael Pycraft Hughes, PhD wrote: > >Hello everybody, > > Hello Gareth! > > >I dicovered this mailing list last Friday and I was staggered. > > We often have that effect on people.... > > >I ended up with three, (two stood on their sides with a 6 foot > >long loop travelling between them - great stuff). > > I take it you didn't play live! ;) > > >I currently use a zoom 8080 which is absolutely LUSH, > >(4 sec and 32 sec parallel delays + ring mod, octaver efects send > >etc etc) > > I'm intrigued .... I know the 8080 has a 4-sec loop mechanism, but 32-sec > parallel? I don't follow. If there's one of them in the 8080 I may just > sell my JamMan....! > > >Incidentally I'm in Wales, (UK) > > I'm in Glasgow (UK), but come from Holyhead and lived in Bangor for 7 > years... whereabouts in the Land of my Fathers are you? > > Michael > > Dr Michael Pycraft Hughes, University of Glasgow, Glasgow UK G12 8QQ > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > "What can be done with fewer assumptions is done in vain > with more" - William of Occam (1285-1347) (now called Occam's Razor) > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > www.elec.gla.ac.uk/~pycraft pycraft@elec.gla.ac.uk From ???@??? Tue Sep 29 18:57:30 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id RAA22934; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 17:51:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 17:51:27 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Sender: mpeters@csi.com Message-ID: <01BDEC02.82C7BDE0.mpeters@csi.com> From: Michael Peters To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: AW: 3rd cd project Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 23:36:04 +0200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-Mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"ad8GI.0.VE5.SGL4s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1826 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com John, > No excuses from me no accusations. I guess we all know how it is to have little time. > i guess i need pressure from the list, i didn't > realize the amount of work these little projects can have. alright, let's give John a little pressure then. > So, with fall here- things are looking better. I'm looking forward to it. > Oh by the way, michael, reconsider a track on the project? Love your stuff. Thanks very much - but I'm already on the first and second CD, and there are so many brilliant musicians on the list ... * michael peters mpeters@csi.com * "escape veloopity" electronic guitar loop music * http://listen.to/michaelpeters From ???@??? Tue Sep 29 18:57:31 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id RAA23622; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 17:55:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 17:55:44 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Sender: mpeters@csi.com Message-ID: <01BDEC02.85B17050.mpeters@csi.com> From: Michael Peters To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: AW: 3rd cd project Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 23:38:19 +0200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-Mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"b1wPl2.0.0I5.iHL4s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1827 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Matthew Pierce wrote, > How does one submit material to be considered > for the next Looper's Delight CD? I guess John Peters would be the person to contact. * michael peters mpeters@csi.com * "escape veloopity" electronic guitar loop music * http://listen.to/michaelpeters From ???@??? Tue Sep 29 18:57:45 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id TAA03011; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 19:21:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 19:21:43 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <4adf4af5.3611644e@aol.com> Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 18:50:54 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: old loopers welcome Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 170 Resent-Message-ID: <"AifDO2.0.we7.lGM4s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1828 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com welcome gareth.......michael From ???@??? Fri Oct 02 23:51:57 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id WAA04294; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 22:25:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 22:25:01 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: DainL@AustinTX.net (Dain R. Luscombe) To: Subject: PDS vs.RDS Digitech HEll and more listening lists Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 21:08:41 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <19981003020807067.AAA244@sex.austintx.net> Resent-Message-ID: <"dcNWM1.0.Ub.iRO5s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1872 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com allright this is my first real post EVER to this list so I'm gonna make it good... I've been using the 8 sec digi for like two years now, and though I change pedals and guitars for every gig, the PDS 8000 and at least one PDS 20/20 (2 sec with modulation) are always there for every show. They are small, look cool, mine are in pretty good shape and yes you can record a 2 sec sample and then slow it down so it lasts 8 sec (sounds kinda like braaaaaaaa paaaaaaaa daaaaaaaaaa) My friend tyler has a PDS 8000 too (they seem to gather in Texas) and has perfected the art of using the side of his foot to speed up and slow down the loop, which is something I've never seen done in my life. My only bitch is that the sample/trigger function is kinda lost if you keep it on the floor because you have to switch it from record to play. 150$ is I guess what they're going for these days, and I guess its worth it, I just remember when these things were 20$ because every body hated digital delays... by the way if you find a PDS 20/20 multi play you should buy it! It is my favorite out of all the 2 secs, you can record a loop and then it will change the speed for you. while I'm posting useless info I might as do the listening list: OMD Dazzle Ships (definetly looper related) Seefeel Seefeel and more Seefeel Scala, Locust, and a little bit of Seefeel Dif Juz - Out of the Trees (does anybody like these guys?) Bettie Boo - Boomania (don't even ask me why because I don't know) Seefeel - Polyfusia OMD - Junk Culture (not looper related but my band is going to do a cover of white trash, yes I know this is kinda a dorky album) Colourbox out the ass. (does anybody like them either?) From ???@??? Tue Sep 29 12:47:26 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id OAA23573; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 14:56:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 14:56:53 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19980929203432.0e6fa01e@mailhost.elec.gla.ac.uk> X-Sender: pycraft@mailhost.elec.gla.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (16) Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 20:34:32 To: whiteoak@dial.pipex.com From: "Michael Pycraft Hughes, PhD" Subject: 32 Secs on Zoom 8080??? Cc: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com In-Reply-To: <3611269E.2BEEE488@dial.pipex.com> References: <199809290709.DAA16109@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"Janqg.0.EB5.HfI4s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1821 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >Hello everybody, Hello Gareth! >I dicovered this mailing list last Friday and I was staggered. We often have that effect on people.... >I ended up with three, (two stood on their sides with a 6 foot >long loop travelling between them - great stuff). I take it you didn't play live! ;) >I currently use a zoom 8080 which is absolutely LUSH, >(4 sec and 32 sec parallel delays + ring mod, octaver efects send >etc etc) I'm intrigued .... I know the 8080 has a 4-sec loop mechanism, but 32-sec parallel? I don't follow. If there's one of them in the 8080 I may just sell my JamMan....! >Incidentally I'm in Wales, (UK) I'm in Glasgow (UK), but come from Holyhead and lived in Bangor for 7 years... whereabouts in the Land of my Fathers are you? Michael Dr Michael Pycraft Hughes, University of Glasgow, Glasgow UK G12 8QQ -------------------------------------------------------------------- "What can be done with fewer assumptions is done in vain with more" - William of Occam (1285-1347) (now called Occam's Razor) -------------------------------------------------------------------- www.elec.gla.ac.uk/~pycraft pycraft@elec.gla.ac.uk From ???@??? Tue Sep 29 20:25:38 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id WAA28798; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 22:08:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 22:08:06 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199809300138.VAA04899@shell.monmouth.com> Reply-To: From: "andre" To: Subject: Wel-wel-w-welc-welco-welcome GARETH.!..!..! Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 09:39:05 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"g-Aja1.0.fl5.KjO4s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1829 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com hey gareth!! welcome to the little corner of cyberspace inhabited by us loopers .. we're all mad men and women.. oozing weird noises into our digital friends and occasionally creating something great ..and some of our posts are actually Very Loop Related !!! i gots a couple questions?? -How's the gigging in wales?? -do you get to see any 'looping artists' , and... -what's the nearest major/minor tour-stop?? -what, if any, are some of the artists you like to listen to...? - do any recording?? peace, andre' http://www.monmouth.com/~andre From ???@??? Wed Sep 30 23:27:04 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id QAA20706; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 16:31:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 16:31:48 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: Priority: Normal To: "Looper's Delight" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Tony Douglas Subject: Hello there... Date: Wed, 30 Sep 98 21:19:49 +0100 ( + ) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; X-MAPIextension=".TXT" Resent-Message-ID: <"ScSGl1.0.zV4.d8f4s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1830 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hello everyone, It must be the weather for it here in the UK, but I found this list about the same time as Gareth W ! It was quite a surprise to find a web site, never mind a mailing list all about looping. I've been looping away for a few years now, mostly influenced by early Frippertronics and some of Michael Brook's music too. Started off with a small Vestax delay pedal (1 sec, rather grainy but the repeats went on for ages), moved on to a Korg SDD1000 (2 secs, grainer but great fun) and now use a JamMan, mostly with a Roland VG8. I'm based in South Lanarkshire in sunny Scotland in the UK. Best wishes to everyone out there - Tony From ???@??? Wed Sep 30 23:27:11 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id RAA24988; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 17:00:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 17:00:12 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Reply-To: From: "classonde" To: "Wolfgang Bottenberg" , "Tnbar@Earthlink. Net" , , "support Voyetra" , "support Hp" , "Stefan Scheffler" , "serv. Matrox" , "Schmidt M. - pluggin - Steinberg" , "Sales" , "Robert TŽtrault" , "Richard Lassonde" , "Reabou@Vif. Com" , "Pierre Laporte Midilab" , "Philippe Goutier" , "New notation Score" , "Monique TŽtrault" , "MIDI TIME PIECE" , "Mario Gauthier" , "Marc-Andre Tetrault" , "Marc Naeije" , "Marc Denis" , "Macro Scheduler" , "Loopers-Delight" , "Kevan Staples" , "Johanne TŽtrault-Lassonde" , "Johanne Lassonde" , "Jean Gouin" , "GR BACKUP" , "Gilles Douaire" , "Gael Martinet" , "Event-Echo-Support" , "Event-Echo" , "ƒlisabeth Cabanne-Lavigeur" , "Douglas Lawrence" , "Diff. im." , "Dcattane@Gibson. Com" , "CMC" , "AndrŽ-Luc Desjardins" , "AndrŽ Roy" , "AndrŽ Pelchat" , "Alexandre Desmarais" , "Alain Thibault" , "Alain Robert" Subject: Nouveau-new EMAIL : classonde@emsb.qc.ca Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 16:45:21 -0400 Message-ID: <002501bdecb3$3d8a0b00$38c8c80a@classonde.emsb.qc.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <"d6hqq3.0.zV5.MWf4s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1831 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com SVP, veuillez prendre note de ma nouvelle adresse EMAIL : PLEASE, take note of my new EMAIL address : classonde@emsb.qc.ca Merci. From ???@??? Wed Sep 30 23:27:18 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id RAA31032; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 17:40:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 17:40:33 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <36129FDD.383BE710@dial.pipex.com> Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 22:17:17 +0100 From: Gareth Whittock X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com CC: Loopers-Delight-d@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Zoom 2100 References: <199809300706.DAA01628@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"sLk4i2.0.Nf6.Ozf4s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1832 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com First Thanks to all for making me welcome - what a friendly bunch you are! This new Zoom seems pretty good. I just downloaded the manual and it has some whacky capabilities. There seem to be delays coming out of every orifice a 6sec here and a 10 sec there. The 32secs is at reduced bandwidth but I remember playing with a boss digital delay pedal with a 7k bandwidth and it sounded perfectly clear. Maybe I've been deafened by my Marshall though.This Zoom is CHEAP!! Don't get the impression that I want to talk gear all the time though. I've been trawling through the digests and one of the things i like about this mailing list is the variety of postings drom DIY philosophy to hard specs on equipment along with shared experiences and ideas for gigs etc. I'm just going to answer a couple of Q's from Andre' > i gots a couple questions?? -see! > > -How's the gigging in wales?? There are all sorts of venues from acid jazz clubs to indie dives to a monthly event called "The Diggers" this usually features off the wall freeform music. Last time I was there we had live signal processing of a flute piece with a MAC, freeform jazz and traditional moroccan music played on a couple of lutes. > -do you get to see any 'looping artists' , Never seen one. Upuntill last week I thought I was the only one! > -what's the nearest major/minor tour-stop?? Major - Cardiff international Arena and Newport Centre How minor is minor? > -what, if any, are some of the artists you like to listen to...? Eric Satie, Debussy, Ravel, David Sylvian, Carl Orff, The Orb, Tangerine Dream , Peter Gabriel, Giovanni Gabrielli,Massive Attack, Palestrina, JS Bach. I intend to listen to some of David Torn's work since it seems to be highly reccommended judging by the digests. Any suggestions? > - do any recording?? Yes I've been writing music for theatre, dance, TV, film, animation professionally for some time now though I think I've had enough of it. I lecture now. Its more regular and quite stimulating. toodleoo, Gareth From ???@??? Wed Sep 30 23:27:38 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id UAA23031; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 20:31:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 20:31:26 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 01:08:34 +0200 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Loop Project X-Sender: 064383555-0001@t-online.de From: kuno.tap@t-online.de (Kuno Wagner) Resent-Message-ID: <"nI7s7.0.hI3.mgh4s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1833 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com THE FIRST EUROPEAN LOOP-PROJECT You«re a guitar-, bass-, Stick TM,- or Warrguitar player, a violinist or cellist and you work with Loop-Gear? You want your Loops or your Loop-oriented music to be published on a CD? Be part of the FIRST EUROPEAN LOOP-PROJECT! http://bizarr.pages.de The first European Loop-Project is a CD-Sampler of Loop-oriented music and will feature 12-15 European Loop-artists. The CD will be produced and distributed by HOME Production in association with Sonnenengel Musik and Aquarius International Distribution. If you want to participate and get your music on this CD check out our rules: 1) Send your DAT-tape, CD, Minidisc or high quality audio-tape, a short biography and the filled out application below to HOME Production, Liegnitzerstr. 12, 65191 Wiesbaden, Germany Make sure your DAT, disc or tape is labeled with your name and address. 2) The piece of music may not exceed 6 minutes in length and must be your/your band´s original work. 3) There´s no limit in style or musical direction, but it should be recognizable that your music is based on Loops!! 4) Every participant featured on the CD has to pay 150,00 DM and will get 10 CDs. Further you can order additional CDs for 12,00 DM (+ shipping & handling). (For example: If you you order 10 CDs for 12,00 DM you will get 20 CDs for a total of 270,00 DM. If you sell 15 CDs for 25,00 DM you will have 375,00 DM and still have 5 CDs for your girlfriend, boyfriend, your grandmother etc.) Don«t pay now!! You will be notified and you have to return a signed contract and you pay after that procedure. 5) HOME Production is allowed to change your master for technical reasons (noise-reduction, compression etc.). No musical changes will be done without your agreement. If you have any further questions contact us at the above adress or drop us a line at Uta.Til@t-online.de ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------- Application Name:_______________________________________________________________ Address:_____________________________________________________________ City:________________________________________________________________ Postal Code:__________________________________________________________ Country:_____________________________________________________________ Phone/Fax/E-mail:_____________________________________________________ Age:________________________________________________________________ Titel:________________________________________________________________ ( Solo recording ( Band recording (add bandname, and bandmembers on an extra sheet) Used instruments: ___________________________________________________________________ From ???@??? Wed Sep 30 23:27:45 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id WAA01369; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 22:08:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 22:08:31 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3612E2B1.2C1CBB6A@stic.net> Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 21:02:25 -0500 From: "James H. Sidlo" Organization: James H. Sidlo X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Hello there... References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"kFT9V2.0.Yz7.Y3k4s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1834 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tony Douglas wrote: > Hello everyone, > > It must be the weather for it here in the UK, but I found this list about the same time as > Gareth W ! It was quite a surprise to find a web site, never mind a mailing list all about > looping. I've been looping away for a few years now, mostly influenced by early > Frippertronics and some of Michael Brook's music too. I really enjoy Brooks and Fripps > stuff. What do you think of David Torn? > Started off with a small Vestax delay > pedal (1 sec, rather grainy but the repeats went on for ages), moved on to a Korg SDD1000 > (2 secs, grainer but great fun) and now use a JamMan, mostly with a Roland VG8. I'm based > in South Lanarkshire in sunny Scotland in the UK. I'm sing a 2 year old Boomerang (4mg) > sampler and various sundry effects. I you want a detailed breakdown, let me know. I'm based > out of San Antonio, Texas (Sleepyville). I'm working with several groups: Psuedo Buddha, > Honey Barbara, Crevice, DreamLand, and Daddy Monkey. All of with I'm using some looping. I'd > like to go back to theUK. And to visit Scotland (in the summer). Some song/sound samples can > be found on my web site: www.stic.net/users/jameshsidlo. Cheers, James > > > Best wishes to everyone out there > > - Tony From ???@??? Wed Sep 30 23:27:57 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id XAA13240; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 23:50:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 23:50:45 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 23:34:55 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Hello there... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 170 Resent-Message-ID: <"w0SD-2.0.Eo2.6Xl4s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1836 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com hello tony and welcome!!.....michael From ???@??? Wed Sep 30 23:27:53 1998 X-POP3-Rcpt: kflint@rosy.yourwebhost.com Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id XAA08077; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 23:05:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 23:05:22 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: dmgraph@mail.earthlink.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <36129FDD.383BE710@dial.pipex.com> References: <199809300706.DAA01628@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 22:57:15 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: David Myers Subject: Re: Zoom 2100 Resent-Message-ID: <"15XJd1.0.We1.cxk4s"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1835 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >This new Zoom seems pretty good. I just downloaded the manual and it has >some whacky capabilities. Can you give the address for the manual download? Thanks....