From ???@??? Sun Feb 01 21:57:23 1998 >From kflint Sun Feb 1 00:09:32 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0xyuT3-0000Gr-00; Sun, 1 Feb 1998 00:09:29 -0800 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 1 Feb 1998 03:06:37 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: David Myers Subject: Back in the Saddle Again Resent-Message-ID: <"bAV0gD.A.QC.s0C10"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2638 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Feb 1998 00:09:29 -0800 X-UIDL: cef709ec85dc3d7c527ddfdb459c9ab0 Cripes, annihilist wouldn't let me in since Dec. 13th; my ISP just figured out how to fix the problem, whatever it was. Anyway, hope no one will mind my playing catchup a bit, posting about some older stuff, etc. What was really curious is that the day I was cut off was when I posted the following: ------------------------------------------ Robert at the Bottom Line Saturday night; saw the early show. I don't think even the people at TC Electronic or Eventide would have been pleased--this is all that can be done with 20 grand worth of gear? I kept wanting to shout, "OK, Bob, now HIT IT!". (Wouldn't have been out of place: LOTS of people were shouting.) It was like he was waiting for the right moment to break loose, but never did and never intended to--or didn't know how. I well realize that when you make a goof in a looping situation you are in deep trouble, but his timidity was appalling; 5 minutes of what we heard would have been impressive, but he more or less just let it limp along for two hours. I love everything Crimson has done, and the "Let The Power Fall"-type Frippertronics are kind of minimalist masterpieces, but listen to what somebody like Paul Dresher did on "Liquid and Stellar Music" many years ago and you begin to see that Fripp really doesn't have much to offer. Nor do I sense that he is even aware of Dresher, Terry Riley, etc.--or perhaps any work outside rock or the rock fringe. It seems that he believes he's doing something unprecedented. What he's doing that IS different is presenting a rather inept sort of ambient music to crowds which are largely unfamiliar with even Eno's "Discreet Music" (which this show was uncannily reminicent of), and pissing them off. I think 90% of this crowd expected "Red", and if I were one of them I'd be screaming, too. But I think this is part of what Robert wants to do: mess with people. He will call it "inviting them to expand their horizons" or some such thing, but it seems to me that it's mostly just self-indulgence. Yeah, the inevitable flashbulb went off--and so did Bob. He returned, but without the promised "Q & A" period afterward. I would have asked, "can we go now?". A technical speculation. Since all Fripp's sounds are synthesized (on this occasion he played two short phrases which just MIGHT have been actual guitar sounds), couldn't one forego the pricy TC audio looping and just feed MIDI info from the guitar into a looping sequencer? Then even more radical sound alterations would of course be possible (not to mention structural gymnastics), though the gee-whiz factor involved with a 6-foot-high rack of gear would be lost.... -------------------------------------------- BTW, I wanted to put in my .02 regarding a desert island looper's list: 1) Paul Dresher "Liquid and Stellar Music" 2) Terry Riley "A Rainbow in Curved Air" or "Descending Moonshine Dervishes" 3) Robert's "Let The Power Fall" or "Evening Star" w/ Eno 4) David Torn "Tripping Over God" (anyone have a copy of "What Means Solid" they'd like to sell?) 5) I agree that Sylvian's "Gone to Earth" is full of great looping-mostly Robert's doing, I think.... Also, I must say that you guys who can tolerate "Door X" must have a screw loose. What the hell was David thinking? Did you ever hear the albums on which even Herbie Hancock decided to sing? Please! -------------------------------------------- More BTW: I just ordered more RAM to max out my Echoplex and discovered an interesting phenomenon. Several of the memory companies asked me, "what is it for?", and in one case I told them. They said, we sell so-and-so for samplers and music equipment--bottom line, the very same 30-pin SIMMs as for a Mac SE30, etc., but a jacked-up price. Reason? I dunno--maybe they've had music people return RAM more often? Anyway, if you get this question concerning 30 pin SIMMs, just tell 'em it's for a Mac Classic or something. A place called Mohawk Memory sold me 4 meg SIMMs for $14 each. -David Myers From ???@??? Sun Feb 01 21:57:54 1998 >From kflint Sun Feb 1 04:54:34 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0xyyuu-0006DT-00; Sun, 1 Feb 1998 04:54:32 -0800 Date: Sun, 1 Feb 1998 07:50:44 -0500 From: Michael Peters Subject: new Markus Reuter CD Sender: Michael Peters To: "'INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Message-ID: <199802010751_MC2-3172-865B@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"QX6CBB.A.opF.HAH10"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2639 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Feb 1998 04:54:32 -0800 X-UIDL: 4354a8b50975926a405dab9657892c34 If you enjoy listening to ambient music in the tradition of Eno, Sylvian, or Fripp, you will love Markus Reuter's first solo CD 'Taster'. (Markus is one of the few masters and teachers of the 8-string Warr Guitar. He is also known for his complex compositions and virtuoso playing with the Europa String Choir.) 'Taster' contains seven long ambient pieces recorded at a live concert. Markus played his Warr Guitar, using a guitar synthesizer and two unsynchronized loop delays for a technique he calls 'orchestral soundscaping'. The result is a collection of utterly fascinating atmospheres - crystal-clear minimalism, vast, slow spaces, completely void of new-age pathos, but nonetheless extremely evocative and full of this rare thing that is so difficult to achieve or describe - magic. Check out Markus' homepage at http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/mpeters/markus.htm -Michael Peters From ???@??? Sun Feb 01 21:57:55 1998 >From kflint Sun Feb 1 07:11:54 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0xz13o-0006d1-00; Sun, 1 Feb 1998 07:11:52 -0800 Message-Id: <98Feb1.100726est.18818@thicket.arbortext.com> Date: Sun, 1 Feb 1998 10:04:16 -0500 From: David White Reply-To: dwhite@arbortext.com Organization: Arbortext Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Another NAMM Report References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"1w1xKC.A.wBG.1AJ10"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2640 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Feb 1998 07:11:52 -0800 X-UIDL: ecf8e16c1eee2c8e4a476809156f34d8 Dpcoffin@aol.com wrote: > [snip] > > The New E-Bow has an octave-up switch... > What? E-Bows set up a magnetic field which excites the string. It's the string length and taughtness that controls the pitch not the magnetic field. Or am I missing something? dAve From ???@??? Sun Feb 01 21:57:56 1998 >From kflint Sun Feb 1 08:31:30 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0xz2Iq-0002sh-00; Sun, 1 Feb 1998 08:31:28 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: SIMMs for Plex Message-ID: <19980201.112658.4951.0.DOINA@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.38 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-8 From: doina@juno.com (paparuda o o) Date: Sun, 01 Feb 1998 11:28:19 EST Resent-Message-ID: <"_PUnAC.A.OZC.zKK10"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2641 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Feb 1998 08:31:28 -0800 X-UIDL: c8f16162e87c4bb3dc4a9f42f2887d63 David Myers wrote: << ...A place called Mohawk Memory sold me 4 meg SIMMs for $14 each.>> Where is "Mohawk Memory"? thanks !, Paparuda _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From ???@??? Sun Feb 01 21:58:00 1998 >From kflint Sun Feb 1 09:01:39 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0xz2m1-0004fk-00; Sun, 1 Feb 1998 09:01:37 -0800 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <19980201.112658.4951.0.DOINA@juno.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 1 Feb 1998 11:58:32 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: David Myers Subject: Re: SIMMs for Plex Resent-Message-ID: <"56IqrC.A.PKE.YnK10"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2642 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Feb 1998 09:01:37 -0800 X-UIDL: 4bbf8d9ed40fece473afb61eeeda30fd >David Myers wrote: ><< ...A place called Mohawk Memory sold me 4 meg >SIMMs for $14 each.>> > > >Where is "Mohawk Memory"? >thanks !, Paparuda > >_____________________________________________________________________ >You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. >Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com >Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] www.mohawkmem.com or 1 (800) 986-6429. David From ???@??? Sun Feb 01 21:58:02 1998 >From kflint Sun Feb 1 11:04:01 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0xz4gR-0004bD-00; Sun, 1 Feb 1998 11:03:59 -0800 From: Dpcoffin@aol.com Message-ID: <1503899.34d4c664@aol.com> Date: Sun, 1 Feb 1998 14:00:49 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Re: Another NAMM Report Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 84 Resent-Message-ID: <"L_2a0.A.fBE.uZM10"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2643 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Feb 1998 11:03:59 -0800 X-UIDL: 51137c29622c40a82377747fdf8f0f15 In a message dated 2/1/98 10:11:10 AM, dAve wrote: >> The New E-Bow has an octave-up switch... >> > >What? E-Bows set up a magnetic field which excites the string. It's the string >length and taughtness that controls the pitch not the magnetic field. Or am I >missing something? Well, I guess you're missing a copy of Heet Sound's "Next Generation EBow" flyer and the riveting experience of hearing the new EBow in person....and, OK, they call it "a gruesome harmonic position just a switch away," but essentially it's an octave-up switch. You can take it up with them at 213-687-9946 and hear a demo at 213-625-3269. dpc From ???@??? Sun Feb 01 21:58:03 1998 >From kflint Sun Feb 1 12:20:45 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0xz5sf-0001WC-00; Sun, 1 Feb 1998 12:20:41 -0800 Message-ID: <34D4D843.737C@isrv.com> Date: Sun, 01 Feb 1998 15:17:07 -0500 From: Glenn Greenway X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Introduction and question Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Jeu7wD.A.HGB.ghN10"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2644 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Feb 1998 12:20:41 -0800 X-UIDL: 592ada617e91476009704a3847cfc9c2 Hello Everyone: I happened on to this list via a jamman link and am so happy to have found you. I thought I was a lone loopist in the wilderness but am pleased to have discoved otherwise. I play guitar and started looping with an old Digitech digital delay stompbox using it as a pumped up metronome. Later I got a Jamman and began to discover the real world of looping. Now I'm just about to take the Jamman out and begin gigging solo, setting up loops and guitaring ontop. However, I've got a question and this seems like the perfect place to ask: I don't know what kinda of mixer to buy. Right now I've got just the Jamman but would like to add another looper and a multieffects unit in the near future. However I'm really having a hard time understanding what I need in terms of signal routing. I think I need at least three prefader effect sends; Can auxillary sends be used for this? What the heck is a four bus mixer anyway? Or Alt 3/4? I guess I'm pretty technically challenged but really have to figure this out. Does anyone care to make a recomendation? I'll be plugging a microphone and a couple of guitar signals into the front. It's got to be small, inexpensive, and suitable for gigging. Thanks for taking the time to read this overlong query and for any advice anyone may offer. Nice meeting everyone. I'll be around. GLenn Greenway From ???@??? Sun Feb 01 21:58:08 1998 >From kflint Sun Feb 1 13:06:43 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0xz6bB-0004mE-00; Sun, 1 Feb 1998 13:06:41 -0800 From: PMimlitsch@aol.com Message-ID: <3e23a6b9.34d4e31b@aol.com> Date: Sun, 1 Feb 1998 16:03:21 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Introduction and question Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 85 Resent-Message-ID: <"crQnmB.A.XOE.DNO10"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2645 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Feb 1998 13:06:41 -0800 X-UIDL: 52bd5ce95d8e82b93ae91326146e8f02 In a message dated 2/1/98 3:19:50 PM, you wrote: <> Can't beat the Mackie1202vlz. My current loop rac set up is 2 Jmen (1-32sec./1 8sec.), 1 rds 8000 Time Machine, 1 Vortex, and 1 Mackie 1202vlz. The Mackie handles all the signal permutations that I need (or can think of anyway). - Paul From ???@??? Sun Feb 01 21:58:10 1998 >From kflint Sun Feb 1 14:03:44 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0xz7UL-00010J-00; Sun, 1 Feb 1998 14:03:41 -0800 Message-ID: <34D4F059.B01A55D3@mail.clt.bellsouth.net> Date: Sun, 01 Feb 1998 16:59:54 -0500 From: "Samuel D. Burns" Reply-To: usonian@bellsouth.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Mackies and Loopers References: <3e23a6b9.34d4e31b@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"pGHQlB.A.wr.fCP10"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2646 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Feb 1998 14:03:41 -0800 X-UIDL: 1467e271d13db59eedfea0b2e689cf8e I agree...I also use this Mackie...amazing sound quality improvement over other mixers...I did not realize what a difference it would make. I use it with JamMan, K2000s, DJ70, Barrett electronic violin, EMU Ultra Proteus, Pinnacle, and EMU ESI 32...for minimalist/foundsound/looping compositions. Incidentally, I was losing at Scrabble a few weeks ago when my opponent said that "loopers" was a word. I challenged, and lost. Check the dictionary...it may surprise you what a "looper" is according to Webster. I'lloopatyoulaterlaterlater PMimlitsch@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 2/1/98 3:19:50 PM, you wrote: > > < question and this seems like the perfect place to ask: I don't know what > kinda of mixer to buy.>> > > Can't beat the Mackie1202vlz. My current loop rac set up is 2 Jmen > (1-32sec./1 8sec.), 1 rds 8000 Time Machine, 1 Vortex, and 1 Mackie 1202vlz. > The Mackie handles all the signal permutations that I need (or can think of > anyway). - Paul From ???@??? Sun Feb 01 21:58:14 1998 >From kflint Sun Feb 1 15:07:20 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0xz8Tt-0005rM-00; Sun, 1 Feb 1998 15:07:17 -0800 Date: Sun, 1 Feb 1998 18:03:44 -0500 (EST) From: VanEyck To: usonian@bellsouth.net cc: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Mackies and Loopers In-Reply-To: <34D4F059.B01A55D3@mail.clt.bellsouth.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"mSUWUD.A.oOF.H-P10"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2647 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Feb 1998 15:07:17 -0800 X-UIDL: 3b4f7594c5bf516e52d9b0d4aecd18f9 On a slightly different note, does anyone have an opinion RE Soundcraft boards vs. Mackie? Thanks, TREVOR. > I agree...I also use this Mackie...amazing sound quality improvement over other > mixers...I did not realize what a difference it would make. From ???@??? Sun Feb 01 21:58:28 1998 >From kflint Sun Feb 1 18:58:31 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0xzC5b-0006zF-00; Sun, 1 Feb 1998 18:58:27 -0800 From: Marzzz@aol.com Message-ID: <5c02b82.34d53519@aol.com> Date: Sun, 1 Feb 1998 21:53:11 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Another NAMM Report Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 82 Resent-Message-ID: <"OTHSKB.A.dSG.zWT10"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2648 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Feb 1998 18:58:27 -0800 X-UIDL: fc7e09802846c4150ca600e74da27ef0 In a message dated 2/1/98 1:03:15 PM, Dpcoffin wrote: >Well, I guess you're missing a copy of Heet Sound's "Next Generation EBow" >flyer and the riveting experience of hearing the new EBow in person....and, >OK, they call it "a gruesome harmonic position just a switch away," but >essentially it's an octave-up switch. You can take it up with them at >213-687-9946 and hear a demo at 213-625-3269. Ok, so what are the differences between the old EBow and the new one? I am just about to order one, does the new one sound different? I have heard the original EBows had a more mellow tone, the current ones more "harsh" or overdriven. Please elaborate!!! Marshall From ???@??? Sun Feb 01 21:58:29 1998 >From kflint Sun Feb 1 19:47:58 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0xzCrT-0002Sa-00; Sun, 1 Feb 1998 19:47:55 -0800 X-Sender: ejmd@pop.erols.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <5c02b82.34d53519@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 1 Feb 1998 22:53:39 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Ed Drake Subject: Different EBows was Re: Another NAMM Report Resent-Message-ID: <"xDeA0C.A.J-B.nEU10"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2649 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Feb 1998 19:47:55 -0800 X-UIDL: 23e20cf77020a4151a2eaaf1c276204b >Ok, so what are the differences between the old EBow and the new one? I am >just about to order one, does the new one sound different? I have heard the >original EBows had a more mellow tone, the current ones more "harsh" or >overdriven. Please elaborate!!! > >Marshall As far as I know there are 3 previous generations of EBow, not including this new "octave up"one, which are distinguishable by physical characteristics as well as sonic ones. The original ones were the chrome ones, which I've never tried but I hear were the mellowest in drive and weakest in sensitivity (starting the string vibrating). These are very hard to find and I don't have any idea what the price would be if you did. The 2nd generation EBows (my first) were distinguished by being made of black plastic with a red EBow logo. These had more drive and a higher sensitivity. The most recently available EBow (3rd gen) are also black plastic but with a white logo on the outside. These have about the same drive as the red EBows but have even more sensitivity. I have a red and a white model. This sensitivity difference between the two is noticeable, as I use one a lot with an acoustic electric steel string guitar, and the white one starts the string vibrating much more quickly than the red without having to hammer the left hand notes down as hard. I don't know if this new "octave up" one is even available yet, as I know often at NAMM, companies demo new gear and take orders for it but you don't actually see it for sale for a while. Does any one know when it will be available and what the price will be and are there any other differences other than the "octave up"? Ed From ???@??? Sun Feb 01 21:58:31 1998 >From kflint Sun Feb 1 20:53:03 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0xzDsS-0006nL-00; Sun, 1 Feb 1998 20:53:00 -0800 From: Dpcoffin@aol.com Message-ID: <341fe98e.34d54f6c@aol.com> Date: Sun, 1 Feb 1998 23:45:30 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Re: Another NAMM Report Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 84 Resent-Message-ID: <"8n__D.A.1BG.nBV10"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2650 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Feb 1998 20:53:00 -0800 X-UIDL: f285365f1a9f2949d57e6e4c3e7d3894 In a message dated 2/1/98 9:57:37 PM, you wrote: > I have heard the >original EBows had a more mellow tone, the current ones more "harsh" or >overdriven. Please elaborate!!! Sorry, Marshall. I can't say...the guy was only showing the new one (sounded great to me), but their lit does say the new one has "improved" tone in normal mode, a sure sign that fans of the old one will complain! The new one is NOT shipping yet apparently (the flier said "Don't buy now---wait!), so I guess you could still get the old model wherever it was in stock...they're cheap--get two! dpc From ???@??? Sun Feb 01 21:58:33 1998 >From kflint Sun Feb 1 21:20:03 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0xzEIb-00016j-00; Sun, 1 Feb 1998 21:20:01 -0800 From: Texture444@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 1 Feb 1998 23:53:57 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Re: Re: Another NAMM Report Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 84 Resent-Message-ID: <"6HP1GB.A.cv.UbV10"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2652 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Feb 1998 21:20:01 -0800 X-UIDL: 8f191c92451bcc3cb2de934da33d510b me, i've got an "octave" ebow; got it last february, kinda beta: no switch: all octave: purty cool, yo..... dt From ???@??? Sun Feb 01 21:58:32 1998 >From kflint Sun Feb 1 21:04:17 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0xzE3L-0007ko-00; Sun, 1 Feb 1998 21:04:15 -0800 From: Dpcoffin@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 1 Feb 1998 23:59:34 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Different EBows was Re: Another NAMM Report Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 84 Resent-Message-ID: <"Z5wPQC.A.j6G.HMV10"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2651 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Feb 1998 21:04:15 -0800 X-UIDL: 686ff3fed9a09c08b8822f2c97f143f9 In a message dated 2/1/98 10:46:45 PM, Ed wrote: >Does any one know when it will be >available and what the price will be and are there any other differences >other than the "octave up"? Here's a direct quote from the Heet NAMM flier: "Next generation EBow--Now you have two settings (that's twice as many as before): an improved regular sound and a gruesome harmonic position just a switch away. The harmonic bow has been enjoyed by a few select bozos over the last few years and they unanimously proclaim it to be way cool and worth the money (they got them free). Now, everybody can get it in a slick new package [white]. Please don't run out and buy one, though. We need some time to catch up. Have a heart- please delay your EBow purchase. DON'T BUY EBOWS----In summary, there's a new EBow but you can't have it yet, Meanwhile. feel free to visit our stale unchanging web site [www.ebow.com]." You can e-mail 'em at info@ebow.com phone 213-625-1944, fax 213-625-1944, demo 213-625-3269 dpc From ???@??? Sun Feb 01 21:58:34 1998 >From kflint Sun Feb 1 21:36:59 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0xzEYy-0002nr-00; Sun, 1 Feb 1998 21:36:56 -0800 Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 00:33:14 -0500 (EST) From: Goddess X-Sender: Thefates@viking.cris.com To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Subject: CATACLISM!!! Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"fxMCD.A.8PC.kqV10"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2653 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Feb 1998 21:36:56 -0800 X-UIDL: 88645c37ca5609ebfe5969419d6b04fd Hi all, unfortunately, I won't be ablt to reply to anyone for a few days as I've had a major system catastrophy! I'm writing this on a unix shell but I won't be doing that this week at all as it's annoyingly slow to deal with. I must reinstall win95 so I'll let you all know when I'm back... thanks, smiles, Corynne From ???@??? Sun Feb 01 21:58:35 1998 >From kflint Sun Feb 1 21:41:53 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0xzEdg-0003Nt-00; Sun, 1 Feb 1998 21:41:48 -0800 Message-ID: <34D55E4A.C92AACD9@mailbox.syr.edu> Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 00:48:57 -0500 From: mark sottilaro Reply-To: msottila@mailbox.syr.edu Organization: metaliminal X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Location. X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <34D4D843.737C@isrv.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"5rEuTC.A.ctC.kuV10"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2654 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Feb 1998 21:41:48 -0800 X-UIDL: 8bc67a4a03ae952417c94741d3f6b6ba Hey Loopers. Every once and a while I wonder if I'm near anyone on this list. Do you think we could all give an email with a location to the list? That way we could all get an idea of what kind of dispersion there is among us. I'm living in Syracuse NY at the moment. Later, Mark Sottilaro From ???@??? Mon Feb 02 00:24:27 1998 >From kflint Sun Feb 1 21:55:18 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0xzEqi-0004IG-00; Sun, 1 Feb 1998 21:55:16 -0800 Message-ID: <34D561E3.3F5DEBFB@mailbox.syr.edu> Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 01:04:18 -0500 From: mark sottilaro Reply-To: msottila@mailbox.syr.edu Organization: metaliminal X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: CATACLISM!!! X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"N8vyrD.A.SzD.z8V10"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2655 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Feb 1998 21:55:16 -0800 X-UIDL: 03b48c21d84e281af3ce08b946627eed Good news for all you poor soles that have to deal with Bills excuse for an operating system: Later this Febuary the Macintosh operating system vers. 9 will be available for Power PC machines as well as Pentiums. Good luck with the Win95 installation, I've been struggeling with my roommates PC for the last 2 weeks and ever since she tried to install some internet software she can't get Windows 95 to run in anything but a "safe mode" (translation: almost nothing works) Funny, when I got internet access, I installed some software, plugged in some numbers and started surfing... I will give my little Mac a kiss before I put it to bed tonight. Good luck. Corynne. We're praying for ya. Mark From ???@??? Mon Feb 02 09:29:14 1998 >From kflint Mon Feb 2 02:47:55 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0xzJPq-0005NL-00; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 02:47:50 -0800 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <34D3AC38.AD3A1B41@earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 01:03:03 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Any Hot News? / where was Boomerang? Resent-Message-ID: <"pmQ6EC.A.p8D.rIa10"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2660 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 02:47:50 -0800 X-UIDL: 4120408a146559757fb97b046210dcbc At 3:57 PM -0700 1/31/98, William Moyer wrote: >Hey you insider NAMM goers, What's the news? I'm especially >wondering if the Boomerang folks are there, and if they've finished the >new software chip? Are there any new choices for us loopy folks? Sorry >, if I sound over anxious, but I am . >Thanks, Bill Well, I didn't see Boomerang at the show. I was all over it, and they're not in the directory, so presumably they weren't there. Motley? Where were you? I didn't see them last year, either. Could be they don't get enough out of it to be worth the cost. It cost me a small fortune just to be *present* at this show (among the reasons why I'm peeved that it was held in the downtown LA convention center, where there are hardly any hotel rooms....). Exhibiting ain't cheap..... kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Mon Feb 02 09:29:15 1998 >From kflint Mon Feb 2 02:48:10 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0xzJQ4-0005Ou-00; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 02:48:04 -0800 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <1503899.34d4c664@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 01:20:49 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Re: Another NAMM Report Resent-Message-ID: <"b8xh7.A.B9D.tIa10"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2661 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 02:48:04 -0800 X-UIDL: 6656906064914eb3e1ed648d8032a094 At 2:00 PM -0500 2/1/98, Dpcoffin@aol.com wrote: >In a message dated 2/1/98 10:11:10 AM, dAve wrote: > >>> The New E-Bow has an octave-up switch... >>> >> >>What? E-Bows set up a magnetic field which excites the string. It's the >string >>length and taughtness that controls the pitch not the magnetic field. Or am I >>missing something? I would guess it's like the the Fernandes Sustainer, which has an octave switch. (and a higher harmonics switch, which is my favorite). In the octave position, the magnetic field from the sustainer thing is oscillating an octave up from the fundamental of the string. (or emphasizing that frequency, anyway.) This causes the positive feedback loop to happen with the 2nd harmonic oscillation on the string instead of the fundamental, and that's what you hear sustaining. Like when you pluck a string and tap it at the 12th fret to get the harmonic. Basically you cause the fundamentaly to die out fast, leaving the 2nd harmonic. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Mon Feb 02 09:29:16 1998 >From kflint Mon Feb 2 02:48:51 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0xzJQg-0005TQ-00; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 02:48:42 -0800 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <34D4F059.B01A55D3@mail.clt.bellsouth.net> References: <3e23a6b9.34d4e31b@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 01:31:19 -0800 To: usonian@bellsouth.net, Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Mackies and Loopers Resent-Message-ID: <"nc7dAD.A.l_D.6Ia10"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2662 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 02:48:42 -0800 X-UIDL: 4008c676f11ebec0f84044325958d07e At 4:59 PM -0500 2/1/98, Samuel D. Burns wrote: >Incidentally, I was losing at Scrabble a few weeks ago when my opponent >said that >"loopers" was a word. I challenged, and lost. Check the dictionary...it may >surprise you what a "looper" is according to Webster. It took me a while to figure out why I was getting spam from pesticide and agricultural equipment manufacturers after I started this thing, but was really quite amused when I figured it out...;-) kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Mon Feb 02 09:29:15 1998 >From kflint Mon Feb 2 02:48:30 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0xzJQK-0005Qp-00; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 02:48:20 -0800 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 01:42:55 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Back in the Saddle Again Resent-Message-ID: <"cGGwMB.A.h_D.5Ia10"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2663 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 02:48:20 -0800 X-UIDL: c596d43c6482641972c607858f3ffe44 David Meyers wrote: >Cripes, annihilist wouldn't let me in since Dec. 13th; my ISP just figured >out how to fix the problem, whatever it was. very glad this is fixed! My ISP claims to have made some changes as well, I guess something worked. >BTW, I wanted to put in my .02 regarding a desert island looper's list: > >1) Paul Dresher "Liquid and Stellar Music" I was quite amused to find that Paul and I both have a very special fondness for Ministry. He says he likes to play their cd's while setting up for performances, and listens to them quite a bit. "The Mind is a Terrible Thing to Taste" would be one of my favorite loop albums ever. I'm praying for a Paul Dresher/Al Jourgensen collaboration..... >More BTW: I just ordered more RAM to max out my Echoplex and discovered an >interesting phenomenon. Several of the memory companies asked me, "what is >it for?", and in one case I told them. They said, we sell so-and-so for >samplers and music equipment--bottom line, the very same 30-pin SIMMs as >for a Mac SE30, etc., but a jacked-up price. Reason? I dunno--maybe >they've had music people return RAM more often? Try: "gee, musicians are actually dumb enough to believe that their sound will be affected by the simms they use! Let's unload these expensive ones that nobody else will buy." kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Mon Feb 02 02:39:13 1998 >From kflint Mon Feb 2 02:10:32 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0xzIpj-0002Ky-00; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 02:10:31 -0800 Message-ID: <34D59B82.443DFE08@bellsouth.net> Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 05:10:10 -0500 From: Jeff Duke Reply-To: jmar@bellsouth.net Organization: Tec Bab Labs X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: msottila@mailbox.syr.edu CC: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Location. References: <34D4D843.737C@isrv.com> <34D55E4A.C92AACD9@mailbox.syr.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"9GlBFB.A.JBC.dsZ10"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2658 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 02:10:31 -0800 X-UIDL: 4803f8d2eb37e35645d846579c5a18a3 I'm in Conyers,Georgia,ya'll.And I sure 'nuff want that ebow.drool. Jeff mark sottilaro wrote: > Hey Loopers. > > Every once and a while I wonder if I'm near anyone on this list. Do you think > we could all give an email with a location to the list? That way we could all > get an idea of what kind of dispersion there is among us. > > I'm living in Syracuse NY at the moment. > > Later, > > Mark Sottilaro From ???@??? Mon Feb 02 09:29:17 1998 >From kflint Mon Feb 2 02:48:56 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0xzJQn-0005UP-00; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 02:48:49 -0800 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 02:10:20 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Another NAMM Report Resent-Message-ID: <"vz6lOD.A.RAE.8Ia10"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2664 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 02:48:49 -0800 X-UIDL: e33fb343233a0c592ea13325bcfddade At 8:06 PM -0500 1/31/98, Dpcoffin@aol.com wrote: >2. The Signature 284 All tube Class A Stereo Guitar Amplifier, optimized for didn't listen to this one, but a fellow on a guitar tone obsessed list I follow described it as "a transistor radio with the batteries going dead." Presumably that's a bad thing. Why Lexicon is trying to produce all tube guitar amps is a bit baffling...... >When asked about looping, my contact claimed that theyâd been >kicking>themselves over dropping the Jamman, since they started getting >big orders>shortly thereafter, and would ădefinitelyä be back in the >looping game ăsoon.ä I guess that's why they've done nothing with Bob Sellon's JamMan upgrades? >Electro-Harmonix guy told me that the 16-sec delay was still in the works, >and>would be ăexactly the same...ä exactly the same, except "this time it won't break down ever." Which of course, means it won't be "exactly" the same. The vintage market will undoubtedly find some way to prove that there is still a reason to pay $1200 for the old one. >tc electronicâs FireworX multifx looked extremely powerful, like a >second-gen>G-Force that even includes a MIDI-addressable mono synth, has >programmable>ăinsertä capabilities--like an fx loop using either the >digital or analog i/o>that youâre not already using, as far as I can >figure--programmable feedback>loops, modulatable modulators (including a >kind of mini sequencer called>ăfreeformä), and you can divide up the dsp >horsepower any way you want, using>multiple blocks of any algorithms that >use less than 50% of the resources. The>front-panel block buttons include >Dynamic, Filters, Formant, Distort, Vocode,>Synth, Pitch, Chorus, Delay, >Reverb, Pan, and EQ...and there are ring mod,>noise, and reverse delay >options, altho the delay times didnât appear to be>any longer than on the >G-Force (well under 2 sec). This thing is extremely cool! Pricey, but definitely a sound designer's dream toy. >Roland had some neat stuff (a 24-bit 8-in, 16-out version of the VS-880 >with a>bigger screen, a super phrase sampler that caches directly to a >zip drive for>about 26 minutes of stereo sampling and used 2 simultaneous >Dimension Beam>controllers to modulate fx or control audio....), but >nothing new on the>guitar front. The VG-8 is still in the catalog, tho... The roland SP-808 groovesampler is my vote for the coolest thing I saw at the show. Oriented towards remixing, but full of cool sounding features. However, roland has a knack for making stuff that is incredible at first glance but problematic and disappointing in practical use. (MC-303, GR-30, etc....) So, I'll wait for the jury to come back on this one. >Believe me, it was PAINful to have to leave the show before I saw more! Believe me, it was PAINFUL to stay there long. The damn LA convention center is very spread out and has too many different levels. After a few days of walking for miles, my legs and feet were killing me! kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Mon Feb 02 02:39:16 1998 >From kflint Mon Feb 2 02:15:34 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0xzIua-0002j2-00; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 02:15:32 -0800 Message-ID: <34D59C92.45F42D3D@bellsouth.net> Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 05:14:42 -0500 From: Jeff Duke Reply-To: jmar@bellsouth.net Organization: Tec Bab Labs X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: malhomme@infobiogen.fr CC: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: box from old ages References: <34D5A5A3.33BA@infobiogen.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"5kE4iB.A.iXC.-wZ10"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2659 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 02:15:32 -0800 X-UIDL: 5f3613ed0bbc7c5887b1c3548aa6088f hey ya'll,I just got a super-fuzz from unicord and a Kay wahwah for a buck ea. at a yard sale and they work.what a deal! jeff Malhomme Olivier wrote: > besides old boss en ibanez stomboxes, I have a Mu-Tron bi-phase and a > E-H microsynthesizer... > > Olivier Malhomme From ???@??? Mon Feb 02 09:30:10 1998 >From kflint Mon Feb 2 08:52:26 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0xzP6S-0000sf-00; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 08:52:12 -0800 Message-Id: <199802021632.IAA19135142@scv1.apple.com> Subject: Re: The new ebows Date: Mon, 2 Feb 98 10:33:11 -0000 x-sender: hartne.t@mail.apple.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: "T.W. Hartnett" To: "Looper's Delight" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <"fsCnrC.A.a-G.ndf10"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2683 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 08:52:12 -0800 X-UIDL: 455b84e3e5becc8354724ddf38dd8829 >Anybody ever have on of the old, metal chassis Ebows? I just can't get >mine to sound as good a Daniel Ash's (it must be the gear, right? >Right?) They weren't metal, they were chrome colored. Slightly bigger than the current ones, and a phenomenal pain in the ass. Or maybe it was just the two that I ran into. They had a built-in battery-saver feature, which mean that they would switch themselves off whenever it decided that it wasn't being used, which always seemed to coincide with when you were using the damn thing. They were a lot more difficult to use, but worked on the same principle. You probably need to get one of those H&H solid-state amps like Ash always uses. They sound real, uh, unique. Travis From ???@??? Mon Feb 02 09:29:51 1998 >From kflint Mon Feb 2 07:35:13 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0xzNts-0000Kr-00; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 07:35:08 -0800 Message-ID: <34D5A1C4.10AD@nyfac.com> Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 10:36:52 +0000 From: tbajus Reply-To: nyfac2@nyfac.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: The new ebows References: <1503899.34d4c664@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"eX1E2B.A.MLH.7ae10"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2676 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 07:35:08 -0800 X-UIDL: f175a5848f73ac0e65fbdd726f218cbf Fortunately for me, I am ready to get a new Ebow (having almost distroyed my third one)... Anybody ever have on of the old, metal chassis Ebows? I just can't get mine to sound as good a Daniel Ash's (it must be the gear, right? Right?) Trevor From ???@??? Mon Feb 02 09:29:51 1998 >From kflint Mon Feb 2 07:39:04 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0xzNxU-0000oj-00; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 07:38:52 -0800 Message-ID: <34D5A246.461@nyfac.com> Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 10:39:02 +0000 From: tbajus Reply-To: nyfac2@nyfac.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Mackies and Loopers References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"EvTp1C.A.XG.9ce10"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2677 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 07:38:52 -0800 X-UIDL: e604a69d9d0657d5b0fd27c2aea285a1 VanEyck wrote: > > On a slightly different note, does anyone have an opinion RE > Soundcraft boards vs. Mackie? > > Thanks, > TREVOR. > > > I agree...I also use this Mackie...amazing sound quality improvement over other > > mixers...I did not realize what a difference it would make. I have heard that the Soundcraft boards are a bit noisier, but significantly warmer. I have an old 1202 and a 1604, and I have always found them to be a bit sterile. Trevor Bajus From ???@??? Mon Feb 02 09:29:53 1998 >From kflint Mon Feb 2 07:43:18 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0xzO1k-0001MR-00; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 07:43:16 -0800 Message-ID: <34D5A346.4F9B@nyfac.com> Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 10:43:18 +0000 From: tbajus Reply-To: nyfac2@nyfac.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Another NAMM Report References: <3.0.1.16.19980202105930.301fc8f0@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Gg-5CC.A.Jn.Dhe10"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2678 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 07:43:16 -0800 X-UIDL: 6f3d9afbc9a5f1b2aaa3d21992a48c91 It would be nice if they would make one that could drive 2 or three strings at a time. I have not yet felt the need to go out and buy a fernandez just for this, but my irresponcibility is legendary. Trevor B From ???@??? Mon Feb 02 02:39:12 1998 >From kflint Mon Feb 2 01:57:11 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0xzIco-0001ef-00; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 01:57:10 -0800 Message-ID: <34D5A5A3.33BA@infobiogen.fr> Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 10:53:25 +0000 From: Malhomme Olivier Reply-To: malhomme@infobiogen.fr Organization: I P L X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 [fr] (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: box from old ages References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"bovhtB.A.wWB.wfZ10"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2657 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 01:57:10 -0800 X-UIDL: ee28e6c29b4b249f87b23639bb7dd79a besides old boss en ibanez stomboxes, I have a Mu-Tron bi-phase and a E-H microsynthesizer... Olivier Malhomme From ???@??? Mon Feb 02 09:30:23 1998 >From kflint Mon Feb 2 09:25:33 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0xzPcg-00052Y-00; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 09:25:30 -0800 Message-Id: <199802021706.JAA18578@scv4.apple.com> Subject: Sustainer retrofit Date: Mon, 2 Feb 98 11:07:19 -0000 x-sender: hartne.t@mail.apple.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: "T.W. Hartnett" To: "Looper's Delight" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <"-8_1AC.A.nSD._6f10"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2685 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 09:25:30 -0800 X-UIDL: fa292e8157df46bfe571bb96195373db ><<>1) Is the Fernandes or any other sustainer available as a retro-fit? > >Yes, but Fernandez charge a wallet-smasking 272UK for it ($400)!!!>> >Interesting...I asked the guy at the Fernandes NAMM booth about retro-fits >and he said absolutely not, too complicated getting the thing set up >correctly and since it interacts with the bridge pickup, they couldn't >guarentee that it would work well with all other pickups. The Sustainiac system is available as a retrofit, but it also goes for about $400. You send them your pickguard and pickups, they wire everything up and send it back, or you can send them the whole guitar. Travis Hartnett From ???@??? Mon Feb 02 12:44:56 1998 >From kflint Mon Feb 2 09:29:01 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0xzPfi-0005Qt-00; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 09:28:38 -0800 Message-Id: <199802021707.JAA19402036@scv1.apple.com> Subject: Re: Location. Date: Mon, 2 Feb 98 11:08:28 -0000 x-sender: hartne.t@mail.apple.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: "T.W. Hartnett" To: "Looper's Delight" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <"nvUW5B.A.ymD.c9f10"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2686 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 09:28:38 -0800 X-UIDL: 96b5693416286c48b12be7ad9adf238b >> Every once and a while I wonder if I'm near anyone on this list. Do you >think >> we could all give an email with a location to the list? That way we could >all >> get an idea of what kind of dispersion there is among us. If you look at the Looper's Delight homepage, most people have included their location in the Loopers of the World section. Travis Hartnett Austin, TX From ???@??? Mon Feb 02 12:44:58 1998 >From kflint Mon Feb 2 09:30:48 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0xzPhj-0005g2-00; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 09:30:43 -0800 Message-Id: <199802021708.JAA17854@scv4.apple.com> Subject: Re: Back in the Saddle Again Date: Mon, 2 Feb 98 11:09:26 -0000 x-sender: hartne.t@mail.apple.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: "T.W. Hartnett" To: "Looper's Delight" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <"nNxjtB.A.xtD.W-f10"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2687 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 09:30:43 -0800 X-UIDL: 4a4b1e33d1e932052bf01e252d11707e >Robert at the Bottom Line Saturday night; saw the early show. I don't >think even the people at TC Electronic or Eventide would have been >pleased--this is all that can be done with 20 grand worth of gear? I kept >wanting to shout, "OK, Bob, now HIT IT!". (Wouldn't have been out of >place: LOTS of people were shouting.) It was like he was waiting for the >right moment to break loose, but never did and never intended to--or didn't >know how. Yeah, that's probably it. >It seems that he believes he's doing >something unprecedented. What he's doing that IS different is presenting a >rather inept sort of ambient music to crowds which are largely unfamiliar >with even Eno's "Discreet Music" (which this show was uncannily reminicent >of), and pissing them off. I think 90% of this crowd expected "Red", and >if I were one of them I'd be screaming, too. But I think this is part of >what Robert wants to do: mess with people. He will call it "inviting them >to expand their horizons" or some such thing, but it seems to me that it's >mostly just self-indulgence. I know what you mean--I hate it when artists indulge themselves instead of indulging me. >Also, I must say that you guys who can tolerate "Door X" must have a screw >loose. What the hell was David thinking? Did you ever hear the albums on >which even Herbie Hancock decided to sing? Please! The nerve. And remember when Miles stopped playing bebop? It was all downhill after that. Travis Hartnett From ???@??? Mon Feb 02 09:29:26 1998 >From kflint Mon Feb 2 05:10:32 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0xzLdu-0004Lv-00; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 05:10:30 -0800 Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 08:07:44 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199802021307.IAA12152@marconi.concentric.net> X-Sender: hideo@pop3.concentric.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tom Lambrecht Subject: Re: Mackis cusomer service--was: Mackies and Loopers (also used gear by Net) Resent-Message-ID: <"02Tk3.A.g0D.nUc10"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2665 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 05:10:30 -0800 X-UIDL: 21d69f2e43053a869f5f307bf5a0996e Trevor: I don't specifically have an opinion about Soundcraftsman mixers,but this thread prompts me to share a recent experience I had with Mackie . . . bought one of the M1200 power amps over the Web for a great price--arrived nestled in an SKB two space, both in excellent shape--plugged it in . . . green power light and nothing else---no FAN, no CRANK :( contacted the seller who was mortified and assured me that it worked the last time he had it powered up--he had FedX CODed it to me and picked up most of the freight and I sincerely believed he wasn't pulling a fast one ( had that difficult-to-describe GOOD VIBE about this seller--who turned out to be a fellow hobbyist user who designs custom ORGANIC MOLECULES) . He offered to return my cashier's check and to pay for return freight for the amp OR to pay for the freight to ship to Mackie for warranty (amp was less than 9 months into a 3 year transferrrable warranty) I opted for the latter--he volunteered to hold the check till all was resolved without going into ALL the details, Mackie's customer service was among the VERY BEST I have ever encountered ANYWHERE, ANYTIME. Someone from the Service Department who I had called to get an RA # (and see if I could get it serviced locally) late Friday afternoon was gone for the weekend--I left a message in his voice mail, making a mental note to call back on Monday to harangue-----He apparently retrieved his messages while HANGGLIDING or whatever these NW types do and had one of his subordinates call me back about three hours later at about 6PM PDT??!!! FRIDAY !!!!! (REMEMBER--this is about a non-revenue generating, pain in the ass, repair on a second-party warranty) I made two more calls while the amp was in the que--(word of explanation--you ship air to the Warranty Department--your piece goes to hte head of the line--turns over in two days and they NEXT DAY Air it back to you--if you send it Ground (which I did) it goes in the que (mine took two weeks and they Two Day Air it back to you)--both calls were returned by the appropriate people withhin hours Got the amp back worked perfectly, but no indication on hte invoice of what was wrong--called warranty and left a message--guy called me back in two hours--told me a limiter circuit component was replaced and without making a big deal of it, let me knoww that they went ahead and upped the internal fuse to 20A and upgraded another circuit to current production spec. Brothers and Sisters--I hate to type so you can tell how this experience has moved me--I'm not a "BUY USA" cheerleader-tyoe but these guys are ON THE BALL and being a toy lover, I've had to deal with alot of companies that were NOT--I won't name names . . . but most recently . . . IBM, Dell, White-Westinghouse (I've been looping the noisy compressor for that pleasing grungy INDUSTRIAL sound) But, I digress--MIXERWISE--picked up a used 1202VLZ (while the amp was commuting to the NW) which has blown me away with it's quiet operation, smooth pots and GOBS of GAIN on the first four channels (it cleared up a low output hum problem from an old Roland Juno 6--since when does adding more cables and another device IMPROVE the sound ;) and extremely flexible routing (incidentally hold out for the VLZ) there is a reason why the BIG BOYS use these things drone on~~~~~~~~~Tom PS Trevor--thanks for the offer to send the scans of the manuals for the much ballyhooed Time Machine Loopers page--I'll let you know as soon as I figure out who can/will pprocess this stuff into the finished jewel. At 06:03 PM 2/1/98 -0500, you wrote: > > On a slightly different note, does anyone have an opinion RE >Soundcraft boards vs. Mackie? > > Thanks, > TREVOR. > >> I agree...I also use this Mackie...amazing sound quality improvement over other >> mixers...I did not realize what a difference it would make. > > > > Tom Lambrecht hideo@concentric.net From ???@??? Mon Feb 02 09:29:31 1998 >From kflint Mon Feb 2 05:27:41 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0xzLuU-0005hM-00; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 05:27:38 -0800 Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 08:22:55 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199802021322.IAA14349@marconi.concentric.net> X-Sender: hideo@pop3.concentric.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tom Lambrecht Subject: Re: Mackie product literature --was: Mackies and Loopers Resent-Message-ID: <"co9f5D.A.BzE.zic10"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2666 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 05:27:38 -0800 X-UIDL: eef67b56e7a1fe92d36c28a52aaf5805 Oh, by the way--i can spell--both "customer" and "Mackie" . . .just seeing if anyone reads these things Another thing I just thought of for those who are mixer shopping is their free totally EXCELLENT catalog (dude) which is more informative than some manufacturors owner's manuals I learned a lot about mixing cables, input levels and effects routing when I got one not to mention why their mixers are a litlle more $ and why alot of people try to copy their designs . . . call 800.898.3211 Oh, and their owners manuals are a picture of clarity, without being stuffy--actually humorous in stretches--NONE of these incomprehensible, labored translations, e.g. "for bestest sound clearness, traffic wires ending in XLR outlets give lasting shiny mix, Imperialist,round-eye . . ." No, Mackie DID NOT put me up to this--Yes, I wuv Mackie Tom Tom Lambrecht hideo@concentric.net From ???@??? Mon Feb 02 09:29:33 1998 >From kflint Mon Feb 2 05:31:55 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0xzLyX-0006Db-00; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 05:31:49 -0800 Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 08:25:27 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199802021325.IAA14750@marconi.concentric.net> X-Sender: hideo@pop3.concentric.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tom Lambrecht Subject: Re: Different EBows was Re: Another NAMM Report Resent-Message-ID: <"TGk67C.A.jGF.Qlc10"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2668 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 05:31:49 -0800 X-UIDL: d13290ba282c0c5abb7c6802f123f9a4 How about an E-Bow or clone that actually works on bass ??? field activated<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Tom At 10:53 PM 2/1/98 -0500, you wrote: > >>Ok, so what are the differences between the old EBow and the new one? I am >>just about to order one, does the new one sound different? I have heard the >>original EBows had a more mellow tone, the current ones more "harsh" or >>overdriven. Please elaborate!!! >> >>Marshall > >As far as I know there are 3 previous generations of EBow, not including >this new "octave up"one, which are distinguishable by physical >characteristics as well as sonic ones. The original ones were the chrome >ones, which I've never tried but I hear were the mellowest in drive and >weakest in sensitivity (starting the string vibrating). These are very hard >to find and I don't have any idea what the price would be if you did. The >2nd generation EBows (my first) were distinguished by being made of black >plastic with a red EBow logo. These had more drive and a higher >sensitivity. The most recently available EBow (3rd gen) are also black >plastic but with a white logo on the outside. These have about the same >drive as the red EBows but have even more sensitivity. I have a red and a >white model. This sensitivity difference between the two is noticeable, as >I use one a lot with an acoustic electric steel string guitar, and the >white one starts the string vibrating much more quickly than the red >without having to hammer the left hand notes down as hard. > >I don't know if this new "octave up" one is even available yet, as I know >often at NAMM, companies demo new gear and take orders for it but you don't >actually see it for sale for a while. Does any one know when it will be >available and what the price will be and are there any other differences >other than the "octave up"? > >Ed > > > > > Tom Lambrecht hideo@concentric.net From ???@??? Mon Feb 02 09:29:36 1998 >From kflint Mon Feb 2 05:44:02 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0xzMAL-0007Bc-00; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 05:44:01 -0800 Message-ID: <001001bd2fe0$3b3bda80$70da6f83@pt205.wolfson.cam.ac.uk> From: "Peter Thompson" To: Subject: Fernandes Sustainer Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 13:41:12 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"im35O.A.reG.-zc10"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2669 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 05:44:01 -0800 X-UIDL: 5e9ac38f700446a2931c7678e4223d52 Hello all, two q's: 1) Is the Fernandes or any other sustainer available as a retro-fit? 2) Does anyone know how Michael Brook's Infinite Guitar works? Cheers Pete From ???@??? Mon Feb 02 09:29:37 1998 >From kflint Mon Feb 2 06:11:55 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0xzMbJ-0000qq-00; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 06:11:53 -0800 From: cdeupree@interagp.com (Caleb Deupree) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: desert island disk: Jesus Blood Never Failed Me Yet Reply-to: cdeupree@interagp.com Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 09:03:16 -0500 Message-ID: <19980202140316125.AAA92@LARCH.interagp.com> Resent-Message-ID: <"Yv2HcD.A.ti.OOd10"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2670 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 06:11:53 -0800 X-UIDL: 40dfcfed1e295a59a2908febbf5e0f13 This weekend I listened to Gavin Bryars masterpiece 'Jesus Blood Never Failed Me Yet', which never fails to affect me emotionally. It occurred to me that, even though it's not the traditional looping music (i.e., no live interaction or modification of the loop), it does have a loop at its heart. For those unfamiliar with the piece, it is built around a loop of a tramp singing one verse of an old hymn, and Bryars adds several layers of orchestral accompaniment. The piece was first released on Brian Eno's Obscure label twenty years ago, but for the CD release on Philip Glass's Point Music, Bryars extended the piece with more flavors of orchestra. And as it turned out, Tom Waits was a big fan of the piece, so Waits sings along with the tramp at the end. Waits is in top form, some of his best work ever. Plus, how many orchestral looping pieces are there? From ???@??? Mon Feb 02 09:29:32 1998 >From kflint Mon Feb 2 05:28:39 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0xzLvO-0005oO-00; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 05:28:34 -0800 Message-ID: <34D5D668.7407@infobiogen.fr> Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 14:21:28 +0000 From: Malhomme Olivier Reply-To: malhomme@infobiogen.fr Organization: I P L X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 [fr] (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V98 #27 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"YvCXR.A.e2E.Mjc10"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2667 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 05:28:34 -0800 X-UIDL: fd694096fed47b025618b1c316e58b62 To add a little more, the famous fernades sustainer uses also the same magnetic field excitation system, and you can switch on it form root/octave up/ fifth above the octave up (12th). So;;; >> The New E-Bow has an octave-up switch... >> > >What? E-Bows set up a magnetic field which excites the string. It's the string >length and taughtness that controls the pitch not the magnetic field. Or am I >missing something? Well, I guess you're missing a copy of Heet Sound's "Next Generation EBow" flyer and the riveting experience of hearing the new EBow in person....and, OK, they call it "a gruesome harmonic position just a switch away," but essentially it's an octave-up switch. You can take it up with them at 213-687-9946 and hear a demo at 213-625-3269. dpc From ???@??? Mon Feb 02 09:29:42 1998 >From kflint Mon Feb 2 07:03:32 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0xzNPE-0004VZ-00; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 07:03:28 -0800 Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 09:58:46 -0500 (EST) From: Monkici@aol.com Message-ID: <980202095845_576314003@mrin51.mx> To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Subject: mackie? vs. soundcraft... Resent-Message-ID: <"wxd90D.A.E0D.k9d10"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2671 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 07:03:28 -0800 X-UIDL: 4403c677951a59f3fbe678f6d6de86b7 hello all, sorry to jump in on a converstion, but in regard to the mackie vs soundcraft thing: mackies are cheap, quiet and they have excellent customer support. i highly reccomend them for settings where size, reliability and money are concerns. they should be commended for great products. But, they just don't sound as good as your average soundcraft ( not the new plastic boards, either). i have owned and used lots of mackie gear and have no complaints other than that the mic pre's sound thin. period. i dare you to A/B them with any old soundcraft or MCI or API console. sorry, but i mostly produce records for a living and think we shouldn't confuse reliability, price and customer service (all very important) with plain good sound. of course it is entirely subjective, but i've yet to hear otherwise from anyone who has checked it out. peace, r. From ???@??? Mon Feb 02 09:29:44 1998 >From kflint Mon Feb 2 07:13:53 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0xzNZG-0005dt-00; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 07:13:50 -0800 Sender: camao@camsg001.camb.scee.sony.co.uk Message-ID: <34D5E1DA.8581BD7D@scee.sony.co.uk> Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 15:10:18 +0000 From: Os X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; IRIX 6.2 IP22) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Subject: zoom effects units/vocoding Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"lDwth.A.69E.6He10"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2673 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 07:13:50 -0800 X-UIDL: 3bcce79bd586bd0a0394703f0f2034b0 Anyone have any experience of the Zoom 1201 and/or 1204 effects units? Anyone ever combined looping with vocoding? I'm wondering what would happen if you vocoded a loop with itself, somehow.... -- Os os@millennium.co.uk http://webworlds.net/os/ From ???@??? Mon Feb 02 09:29:45 1998 >From kflint Mon Feb 2 07:19:03 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0xzNeF-0006Fv-00; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 07:18:59 -0800 Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 15:15:15 +0000 (GMT) From: Peter Thompson X-Sender: pt205@blue.csi.cam.ac.uk To: Caleb Deupree cc: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: desert island disk: Jesus Blood Never Failed Me Yet In-Reply-To: <19980202140316125.AAA92@LARCH.interagp.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"adWJC.A.4eF.TMe10"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2674 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 07:18:59 -0800 X-UIDL: dc584e1e51e22a534480fc365f353c35 > > Plus, how many orchestral looping pieces are there? > > > I suppose I am stretching the definition of looping to an extreme here, but the repetition of a musical figure or harmonic progression is a standard device in classical, if not orchestral music. Think of Bach's Chaconne in D minor, Pachelbel's Canon, Ravel's Bolero etc. There is a piece for solo lute by John Dowland (ca 1600) which consists of a repeated descending chromatic scale around which he weaves various harmonic and melodic threads. If only he'd had a JamMan.... Peter Thompson From ???@??? Mon Feb 02 09:29:48 1998 >From kflint Mon Feb 2 07:26:28 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0xzNlQ-00077r-00; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 07:26:24 -0800 Message-Id: <9802028864.AA886432864@chadbourne.com> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R8.11.00.3 Date: Mon, 02 Feb 98 10:18:36 -0500 From: To: Subject: Re: test MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: "cc:Mail Note Part" Resent-Message-ID: <"iYvNgB.A.qSG.PTe10"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2675 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 07:26:24 -0800 X-UIDL: 1ec72ae2a1e886b15acb28b429179125 ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: test Author: at -fabrik/internet Date: 01/30/98 07:14 PM test From ???@??? Tue Feb 03 00:14:49 1998 >From kflint Mon Feb 2 16:44:16 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0xzWTF-0001AF-00; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 16:44:13 -0800 From: niyame@bellatlantic.net Message-ID: <34D5EA51.E167C663@bellatlantic.net> Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 16:46:26 +0100 Reply-To: niyame@bellatlantic.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: location X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <19980202172633.23808.qmail@omni1.voicenet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"81NjyD.A.lAH.-Wm10"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2729 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 16:44:13 -0800 X-UIDL: 0ea2740eb4da956c646f5c59a00b38fb greetings....floyd..... i am from center city...philly.....old city......near the Liberty Bell. niyame elliot From ???@??? Mon Feb 02 09:29:57 1998 >From kflint Mon Feb 2 07:59:09 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0xzOH1-0002vV-00; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 07:59:03 -0800 Message-Id: <199802021557.IAA18745@hyper.dimensional.com> From: "Scott Bullerwell" To: Subject: Re: mackie? vs. soundcraft... Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 08:51:39 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"gNUejB.A.sKC.Ywe10"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2680 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 07:59:03 -0800 X-UIDL: 1cf164e79b4279d855b0b7ec078a4adf This summer, I convinced Chapman Stick artist Steve Hahn (http://www.deepchocolate.com) that he needed a new mixer to replace his antique Tascam. We tried out a borrowed Mackie (very good, but not as much bang for your buck as...), my Carvin (a really good value, but I'm gonna be replacing it with...) and finally a Behringer 2642. With the Behringer it was like the clouds parted and the light came shining down. Initially I was skeptical because they're made in China, but after six months of reliable use in the studio and on the road Steve's a believer (and I'm off the hook)--plus, we opened it up and the boards, traces, wave soldering, point soldering, wiring harnesses, etc. are gorgeous. Not a cold joint or dodgy-looking component to be found. I looked into a few others: Spirit and Peavey, to be precise. Yuk. Flimsy, scratchy sounding faders. How's it sound? Transparent. He's using it with an ADAT-XT, and mixdowns to DAT made via the 2642 sound pristine. The quality of the discrete preamps is supa-fine, the EQ section is sweet and subtle, and the power supply is rugged and isolated from the board (and thus your rack should you choose to rackmount it. Most all of the 1/4" connections are balanced (and all of the XLR conns are, of course), so you can do some long distance runaround and not worry about the electric motor in the fog machine makin' line noise. The local deal on it was 550 bones (USD). Scott Bullerwell tanelorn@dimensional.com Boulder, Colorado, USA From ???@??? Mon Feb 02 09:30:06 1998 >From kflint Mon Feb 2 08:43:42 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0xzOyA-0007c7-00; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 08:43:38 -0800 Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 11:34:34 -0500 (EST) From: VanEyck To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Fernandes Sustainer In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.16.19980202164117.18c7219a@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"Gmc_YD.A.lJG.UXf10"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2681 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 08:43:38 -0800 X-UIDL: 855236c9f7f1285d7438f2ec18a6c0d5 You may not believe this but a friend of mine who has used Daniel Lanois infinite guitar (given to him by Michael Brook), noted that there is a huge cavity shaved out of the back of the guitar that holds: are you ready for this? A modified Electro Harmonix Memory Man. Best, TREVOR. VanEyck@interlog.com On Mon, 2 Feb 1998, Michael P. Hughes, Ph.D. wrote: > >1) Is the Fernandes or any other sustainer available as a retro-fit? > > Yes, but Fernandez charge a wallet-smasking 272UK for it ($400)!!! > I'm currently trying to build one myself, as soon as I get the cash for the > pickup together.... > > >2) Does anyone know how Michael Brook's Infinite Guitar works? > > Yes, but it's a secret! ;b > > But really, I'm not sure if it's anything more than a sustainer -type > system with a bit more control over the cct via a footswitch. > > Michael > > > From ???@??? Mon Feb 02 09:30:07 1998 >From kflint Mon Feb 2 08:47:26 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0xzP1m-0000HN-00; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 08:47:22 -0800 Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 11:36:40 -0500 (EST) From: Dpcoffin@aol.com Message-ID: <980202113640_372078400@mrin53> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Re: Fernandes Sustainer Resent-Message-ID: <"DKfULC.A.wcG.mZf10"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2682 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 08:47:22 -0800 X-UIDL: 5576223e5337375efc446ce359a8f8c9 <<>1) Is the Fernandes or any other sustainer available as a retro-fit? Yes, but Fernandez charge a wallet-smasking 272UK for it ($400)!!!>> Interesting...I asked the guy at the Fernandes NAMM booth about retro-fits and he said absolutely not, too complicated getting the thing set up correctly and since it interacts with the bridge pickup, they couldn't guarentee that it would work well with all other pickups. dpc From ???@??? Mon Feb 02 09:30:12 1998 >From kflint Mon Feb 2 09:05:24 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0xzPJ9-0002XT-00; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 09:05:19 -0800 Message-Id: <98Feb2.115812est.18832@thicket.arbortext.com> Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 11:55:14 -0500 From: David White Reply-To: dwhite@arbortext.com Organization: Arbortext Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Location. References: <34D4D843.737C@isrv.com> <34D55E4A.C92AACD9@mailbox.syr.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"03Kwq.A.L1B.xuf10"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2684 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 09:05:19 -0800 X-UIDL: cd6153e8d5169d745fb3e37159c70cf4 Ann Arbor, MI Dave White Tortoise Studio Productions mark sottilaro wrote: > Hey Loopers. > > Every once and a while I wonder if I'm near anyone on this list. Do you think > we could all give an email with a location to the list? That way we could all > get an idea of what kind of dispersion there is among us. > > I'm living in Syracuse NY at the moment. > > Later, > > Mark Sottilaro From ???@??? Tue Feb 03 00:14:17 1998 >From kflint Mon Feb 2 14:04:40 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0xzTyi-000379-00; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 14:04:32 -0800 Message-ID: <2148EC143F29D1118BE000805FC13CD014CC15@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: TEST 29 Jan Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 11:12:55 -0600 X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Resent-Message-ID: <"T_6mSB.A.uUB.dAk10"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2717 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 14:04:32 -0800 X-UIDL: d97f087c5378bde5deee6e82a9e72541 > ---------- > From: David Myers > Reply To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Sent: Friday, January 30, 1998 10:18 PM > To: LiebigSA@maritz.com > Subject: TEST 29 Jan > > TEST 29 Jan > > > From ???@??? Mon Feb 02 12:44:58 1998 >From kflint Mon Feb 2 09:33:14 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0xzPjx-0005wy-00; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 09:33:01 -0800 X-Sender: darcyc@srvr5.engin.umich.edu Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <98Feb2.115812est.18832@thicket.arbortext.com> References: <34D4D843.737C@isrv.com> <34D55E4A.C92AACD9@mailbox.syr.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 12:20:41 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Darcy Clark Subject: Re: Location. Resent-Message-ID: <"pktbZC.A.ZGE.KBg10"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2688 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 09:33:01 -0800 X-UIDL: 7a61edfbc9dc6ac10672305636f9ac39 Ann Arbor, MI here also ! only been looping for about 6 months, but loving my jamman/vortex combo ;) Darcy Clark University of Michigan --------------------- >Ann Arbor, MI > >Dave White >Tortoise Studio Productions > >mark sottilaro wrote: > >> Hey Loopers. >> >> Every once and a while I wonder if I'm near anyone on this list. Do you >>think >> we could all give an email with a location to the list? That way we >>could all >> get an idea of what kind of dispersion there is among us. >> >> I'm living in Syracuse NY at the moment. >> >> Later, >> >> Mark Sottilaro Darcy Clark +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Materials Science and Engineering Department University of Michigan Ann Arbor, MI, 48109-2136 USA +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Room 2130, Dow Building Phone (734) 764 3377 Fax (734) 763 4788 E-mail darcyc@engin.umich.edu http://msewww.engin.umich.edu/mse250 http://msewww.engin.umich.edu/people/darcyc/ http://mseadmin.engin.umich.edu:591/ http://www-personal.engin.umich.edu/~darcyc/ +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From ???@??? Mon Feb 02 12:45:06 1998 >From kflint Mon Feb 2 10:17:05 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0xzQQV-0003kW-00; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 10:16:59 -0800 X-Sender: dmgraph@bway.net (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199802021322.IAA14349@marconi.concentric.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 12:24:32 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: David Myers Subject: Re: Mackie product literature --was: Mackies and Loopers Resent-Message-ID: <"dGnsLD.A.cvB.Sog10"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2694 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 10:16:59 -0800 X-UIDL: 1f69d0ce13ccfc5f93b6f0b06bef368d >Oh, and their owners manuals are a picture of clarity, without being >stuffy--actually humorous in stretches--NONE of these incomprehensible, >labored translations, e.g. "for bestest sound clearness, traffic wires >ending in XLR outlets give lasting shiny mix, Imperialist,round-eye . . ." > >No, Mackie DID NOT put me up to this--Yes, I wuv Mackie > >Tom >Tom Lambrecht hideo@concentric.net And when was the last time you got a manual that gave detailed instructions for doing mods on the unit to more accurately address your particular needs?! I also wuv my 1202 VLZ. I wondered if two effects sends would fulfill my deepest desires, but this puppy allows so many routing alternatives that I don't think I'll ever come up short. Support these guys. David Myers From ???@??? Mon Feb 02 12:45:07 1998 >From kflint Mon Feb 2 10:17:11 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0xzQQd-0003lI-00; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 10:17:07 -0800 X-Sender: dmgraph@bway.net (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 12:24:32 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: David Myers Subject: Re: SIMMs Resent-Message-ID: <"lyLLVD.A.AwB.Wog10"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2695 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 10:17:07 -0800 X-UIDL: def6cfa6ec0ada44ba5e775b1c271c7f >>More BTW: I just ordered more RAM to max out my Echoplex and discovered an >>interesting phenomenon. Several of the memory companies asked me, "what is >>it for?", and in one case I told them. They said, we sell so-and-so for >>samplers and music equipment--bottom line, the very same 30-pin SIMMs as >>for a Mac SE30, etc., but a jacked-up price. Reason? I dunno--maybe >>they've had music people return RAM more often? > >Try: "gee, musicians are actually dumb enough to believe that their sound >will be affected by the simms they use! Let's unload these expensive ones >that nobody else will buy." > >kim Kim: No doubt this is at play often, but my actual scenario was even weirder. The girl on the line actually admitted to me that they were selling the SAME SIMMs to computer people for $15, but as sampler memory the price was $25. SAME SIMMs. Wow. From ???@??? Mon Feb 02 12:44:59 1998 >From kflint Mon Feb 2 09:44:05 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0xzPuZ-0007Kc-00; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 09:43:59 -0800 Date: 2 Feb 1998 17:26:33 -0000 Message-ID: <19980202172633.23808.qmail@omni1.voicenet.com> From: floyd@voicenet.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: location Resent-Message-ID: <"lCuI2.A.cqF.0Ng10"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2689 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 09:43:59 -0800 X-UIDL: 2ded1dd70affbfdc13fe06a133e69a32 > Hey Loopers. > > Every once and a while I wonder if I'm near anyone on this list. > Do you think we could all give an email with a location to the list? > Valley Forge, PA. That's about 20 miles outside of Philadelphia, where George Washington and the Continental Army hid from the British not too long ago. From ???@??? Mon Feb 02 12:45:12 1998 >From kflint Mon Feb 2 10:50:06 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0xzQwX-0000Dj-00; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 10:50:05 -0800 Message-Id: <215C1D5A0FFDD011B3CC00805FC18C291F6B8D@NTSRV2.LEXICON.COM> From: "Hogan, Greg (Exchange)" To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Re[2]: Selling stuff over the internet Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 12:34:39 -0500 X-Priority: 3 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"B3Dd_D.A.DUG.-Lh10"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2699 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 10:50:05 -0800 X-UIDL: ed77de6e8662c1b3b82d417f77085c23 Dear Sean, It seems like your machine is confused. Try resetting it as follows:Warning! This will erase user registers and replace them with the presets. Power the unit on while holding the REGISTER/PRESET and A/B buttons. When the display reads "d" release these buttons. Press the REGISTER/PRESET button once. Turn the REGISTER/PRESET knob to 13, display reads "OC". Press the REGISTER/PRESET button once, display reads "PA". Press the REGISTER/PRESET button again. Turn the REGISTER/PRESET KNOB to 10, display reads "09". Press the REGISTER/PRESET button. Please let me know if you have any questions or if there is anything that I can do for you. Best regards, Greg Hogan Lexicon Customer Service Phone +781-280-0372 FAX +781-280-0499 > ---------- > From: buzzard@world.std.com[SMTP:buzzard@world.std.com] > Reply To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Sent: Friday, January 30, 1998 7:36 PM > To: GHogan@lexicon.com > Subject: Re: Re[2]: Selling stuff over the internet > > [buying used through the mail] > >Never have I had a bad piece of gear. > > Obviously this is anecdotal. Some people > won't get burned and some people will. > > I appear to have gotten burned with my > Vortex. It's possible that this problem > has only recently developed, but I'm quite > sure I'd never bothered trying this before. > > I finally (four months after buying it!) > decided to give its morphing capabilities > a work out--until now I just morphed between > existing patches. (And mostly I didn't > morph at all because I use it as a post-loop > processor.) > > So I was going to morph between a patch > and "itself" (a variant of itself), so I > copied the patch from an A register to > a B register. > > Lo and behold, I have discovered that this > Vortex flakes out on exactly this operation > (goodness knows this doesn't make any sense > as either a hardware problem or a software > problem, as far as I can see). If a patch > is copied from A to B, it comes out entirely > messed up (and non-musical) in B--generally > either extremely muted and in (apparent) mono, > or loud and horribly (digitally?) clipped, > generally in a different way in L & R channels, > or it self-oscillates in some way producing > very loud randomly squiggling unmusical noise. > Sometimes, switching away to another patch and > then back changes the mode of the behavior. > Powering the Vortex down and back up doesn't > make any difference. > > Copying from B to A does not exhibit this problem, > I believe. I'm not sure how exhaustive my > testing was at the time. Hmm, I'm not even > sure I ever copied from one B to another B. > > Anyway, obviously, for Vortex and Jamman > you've got to buy used. Caveat emptor, I > suppose. > > Sean Barrett > From ???@??? Mon Feb 02 12:45:00 1998 >From kflint Mon Feb 2 09:55:44 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0xzQ5t-00012x-00; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 09:55:41 -0800 Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 09:37:13 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Chris Chovit Subject: FS: Vortex & Ibanez delay Resent-Message-ID: <"YohP3C.A.uLH.wZg10"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2690 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 09:55:41 -0800 X-UIDL: 4f283807049bbec8782ec3e520b708ca Here's some gear for sale: Lexicon Vortex: xlnt cond. w/ footswitch, cable, p/s & manual Ibanez DM-1000 digital delay, ~1 sec max delay time I'll take offers for ~ 1 week - chris From ???@??? Mon Feb 02 12:45:01 1998 >From kflint Mon Feb 2 10:01:13 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0xzQB4-0001jv-00; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 10:01:02 -0800 Message-ID: From: "Ott, John" To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE:Fernandes guy at NAMM Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 11:49:51 -0600 X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Resent-Message-ID: <"AV19SC.A.jc.Qeg10"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2691 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 10:01:02 -0800 X-UIDL: 87a7ddedd96390813d6361a76db05379 >>>>quote>>> > From: Dpcoffin@aol.com > Reply To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Sent: Monday, February 2, 1998 4:42 PM > To: John_Ott@ATK.COM > Subject: Re: Re: Fernandes Sustainer > > <<>1) Is the Fernandes or any other sustainer available as a > retro-fit? > > Yes, but Fernandez charge a wallet-smasking 272UK for it ($400)!!!>> > Interesting...I asked the guy at the Fernandes NAMM booth about > retro-fits > and he said absolutely not, too complicated getting the thing set up > correctly and since it interacts with the bridge pickup, they couldn't > guarentee that it would work well with all other pickups. > dpc >>>>> end quote >>>> I think the Fernandes guy is clueless. I have a catalog from Fernandes that has the sustainer in it. Reeves Gabriel had one put in a Parker Nitefly, But had Ken Parker give him a body that was not fully milled. The standard Nitefly body is too thin to hold the sustainer. How do these sustainer sound? I've heard from guys that have tried some and said the pickup sound was not good. I notice that both Fripp and Gabriel don't use the sustainers for sound but use a Roland GK-2 pickup into a GR synth or VG-8 to get sounds. later John From ???@??? Mon Feb 02 12:45:03 1998 >From kflint Mon Feb 2 10:15:31 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0xzQOy-0003YX-00; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 10:15:24 -0800 Message-ID: <000701bd3004$4d41c400$70da6f83@pt205.wolfson.cam.ac.uk> From: "Peter Thompson" To: Subject: Re: RE:Fernandes guy at NAMM Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 17:59:26 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"EuINvC.A.fjB.6mg10"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2692 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 10:15:24 -0800 X-UIDL: 87c7e618e7cadc247ab3acd084ddee86 I notice that > both Fripp and Gabriel don't use the sustainers for sound but > use a Roland GK-2 pickup into a GR synth or VG-8 to get > sounds. > > > later > John > > Robert Fripp is now using a Sustainer-equipped Fernandes Les Paul and has been at least since I saw King Crimson in London a couple of years ago. Pete From ???@??? Mon Feb 02 12:45:05 1998 >From kflint Mon Feb 2 10:16:58 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0xzQQN-0003jU-00; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 10:16:51 -0800 From: Ahanning@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 13:00:25 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Different EBows Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 38 Resent-Message-ID: <"WyjH3C.A.ssB._ng10"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2693 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 10:16:51 -0800 X-UIDL: 64057bec5754e7f357099551dd7c017a Rumour has it they were going to be bringing about an Ebow kinda thing aimed at acoustic guitars sometime this year. Anyone else know anything about this? Alex From ???@??? Mon Feb 02 12:45:07 1998 >From kflint Mon Feb 2 10:23:06 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0xzQWJ-0004V2-00; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 10:22:59 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 11:08:20 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: dtapia@unoco.edu (Douglas Tapia) Subject: Re: mackie? vs. soundcraft... Resent-Message-ID: <"h3CbiB.A.lhC.cug10"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2696 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 10:22:59 -0800 X-UIDL: 8e4f9c84053b4f9bfaaa2221b4e671fb >hello all, > sorry to jump in on a converstion, but in regard to the mackie vs >soundcraft thing: mackies are cheap, quiet and they have excellent customer >support. i highly reccomend them for settings where size, reliability and >money are concerns. they should be commended for great products. True. True. >But, they >just don't sound as good as your average soundcraft ( not the new plastic >boards, either). Sad, but also true. >i have owned and used lots of mackie gear and have no >complaints other than that the mic pre's sound thin. (oh come now, you're being very generous) >period. i dare you to >A/B them with any old soundcraft or MCI or API console. sorry, but i mostly >produce records for a living and think we shouldn't confuse reliability, >price and customer service (all very important) with plain good sound. of >course it is entirely subjective, but i've yet to hear otherwise from anyone >who has checked it out. All good points. My studio experience with the Mackie has been mostly positive, though the preamps don't have NEARLY enough gain. This is, in part, how Mackie achives such stellar specs. I've been working with a studio equiped with a 32x8 w/ a 24 chanel expander, and for most aplications, we have been bypassing the Mackie pres altogether, using the board only for tape returns. This means two racks full of Focusrite, Brent Averil, Grace, Summit Audio, and Avalon front end. So, in our application, the Mackie has saved no space over other consoles, though the clients are REALLY impressed by the front end. For what it's worth. . . Doug From ???@??? Mon Feb 02 12:45:31 1998 >From kflint Mon Feb 2 11:31:16 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0xzRaI-0005WF-00; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 11:31:10 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 11:11:08 -0700 From: "frivolous" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sent-Mail: off X-Expiredinmiddle: true X-Mailer: MailCity Service Subject: Re: new Markus Reuter CD X-Sender-Ip: 194.88.91.135 Organization: MailExcite (http://www.mailexcite.com) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"G2xSBD.A.pgD._uh10"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2703 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 11:31:10 -0800 X-UIDL: 5942f1e4c27b9bfd2677fd137e724150 --- >If you enjoy listening to ambient music in the tradition of Eno, Sylvian,= > >or Fripp, you will love Markus Reuter's first solo CD 'Taster'. (Markus i= >s >one of the few masters and teachers of the 8-string Warr Guitar. He is al= >so >known for his complex compositions and virtuoso playing with the Europa >String Choir.) > >'Taster' contains seven long ambient pieces recorded at a live concert. >Markus played his Warr Guitar, using a guitar synthesizer and two >unsynchronized loop delays for a technique he calls 'orchestral >soundscaping'. = > > >The result is a collection of utterly fascinating atmospheres - >crystal-clear minimalism, vast, slow spaces, completely void of new-age >pathos, but nonetheless extremely evocative and full of this rare thing >that is so difficult to achieve or describe - magic. > >Check out Markus' homepage at > > http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/mpeters/markus.htm > >-Michael Peters > > > I've just received a message from Markus about this, and I'm certainly looking forward to hearing it. I had the pleasure of meeting Markus at one of the "projeKCt one" concerts at the Jazz Cafe (Camden Town, London) last December, and he was carrying his Warr with him then... Funny you should mention Fripp: Amazing Sounds sent me this: "On February 19, the live multimedia concert Explorations in Space" will be held at the Langford Auditorium at Vanderbilt University in Nashville, USA. The headliner for the evening will be Robert Fripp and his Frippertronics." See you around (in a loop)... frivolous frivolous@mailexcite.com London, UK http://www.geocities.com/ResearchTriangle/Lab/3242/ See the XLChords project - MS Excel does chords? Free web-based email, Forever, From anywhere! http://www.mailexcite.com From ???@??? Mon Feb 02 12:45:08 1998 >From kflint Mon Feb 2 10:35:59 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0xzQif-0006Bj-00; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 10:35:45 -0800 From: Fmplautus@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 13:22:41 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Simm sound Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 78 Resent-Message-ID: <"QGHJh.A.-WE.D9g10"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2697 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 10:35:45 -0800 X-UIDL: 35611c4f154eaa27de67ae23dff063fa Kim wrote... "gee, musicians are actually dumb enough to believe that their sound will be affected by the simms they use! Let's unload these expensive ones that nobody else will buy." The LoOpDoctORs can here the difference between different batches of SIMMS in both the Echoplex and the Jammen. We've come to prefer the Vintage Malaysian Simms from 1994...buttery mids and clear, warm highs, kind of like taking a dip in a waterfall on the road to Mandalay. And we turned Eric Johnson onto the Duracels you know. Best, The LoOpDoctOrs From ???@??? Mon Feb 02 12:45:09 1998 >From kflint Mon Feb 2 10:38:45 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0xzQlY-0006Ye-00; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 10:38:44 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 11:27:13 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: dtapia@unoco.edu (Douglas Tapia) Subject: Re: mackie? vs. soundcraft... Resent-Message-ID: <"dFfhl.A.jyE.WAh10"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2698 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 10:38:44 -0800 X-UIDL: 151b2df14beac61a36e4960d0575df07 >This summer, I convinced Chapman Stick artist Steve Hahn >(http://www.deepchocolate.com) that he needed a new mixer to replace his >antique Tascam. We tried out a borrowed Mackie (very good, but not as much >bang for your buck as...), my Carvin (a really good value, but I'm gonna be >replacing it with...) and finally a Behringer 2642. With the Behringer it >was like the clouds parted and the light came shining down. Initially I >was skeptical because they're made in China, but after six months of >reliable use in the studio and on the road Steve's a believer (and I'm off >the hook)--plus, we opened it up and the boards, traces, wave soldering, >point soldering, wiring harnesses, etc. are gorgeous. Not a cold joint or >dodgy-looking component to be found. > >I looked into a few others: Spirit and Peavey, to be precise. Yuk. >Flimsy, scratchy sounding faders. Yeah, they've always made crap, and they always will. >How's it sound? Transparent. He's using it with an ADAT-XT, and mixdowns >to DAT made via the 2642 sound pristine. The quality of the discrete >preamps is supa-fine, the EQ section is sweet and subtle, and the power >supply is rugged and isolated from the board (and thus your rack should you >choose to rackmount it. Most all of the 1/4" connections are balanced (and >all of the XLR conns are, of course), so you can do some long distance >runaround and not worry about the electric motor in the fog machine makin' >line noise. > >The local deal on it was 550 bones (USD). This sounds like a great deal, and I've never had a problem with Behringer's product. I DO have a problem with their politics. For Behringer, R&D seems to stand for Reverse-engineer and Deviate (just enough so they can't get sued for stealing their desings) The units are prototyped in Germany, and the production cycle is fine tuned. Then, Behringer engineers detool in Germany and tool up at plants in Asia where they can pay SKILLED solders (as your experience would support) and assembly workers a few cents an hour. Before I get on my Kathy Lee soap box, if this is the American way of doing business, count me out. Their products hit great price points. (Their version of the Ramsa 31 band EQ is great, (beautiful soft interface) and is dirt cheap, but I'd rather save myself the bad karma). Just thought that you ought to know. Doug From ???@??? Mon Feb 02 12:45:26 1998 >From kflint Mon Feb 2 11:10:25 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0xzRG7-0002q6-00; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 11:10:19 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 10:29:46 -0800 Message-ID: <000847EA.----@wj.com> From: Mike.Biffle@wj.com (Mike Biffle) Subject: Re[2]: location To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, Mike.Biffle@wj.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Resent-Message-ID: <"IOCY7B.A.emB.Cgh10"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2700 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 11:10:19 -0800 X-UIDL: e6de15ae93037672f7ec45d5f528203e I Loop in the Santa Cruz area of Californ-eye-a. South of San Francisco. -Miko > Hey Loopers. > > Every once and a while I wonder if I'm near anyone on this list. > Do you think we could all give an email with a location to the list? > Valley Forge, PA. That's about 20 miles outside of Philadelphia, where George Washington and the Continental Army hid from the British not too long ago. From ???@??? Mon Feb 02 02:39:12 1998 >From kflint Mon Feb 2 01:22:38 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0xzI5M-0007bv-00; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 01:22:36 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19980202105930.301fc8f0@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> X-Sender: pycraft@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (16) Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 10:59:30 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: "Michael P. Hughes, Ph.D." Subject: Re: Re: Another NAMM Report In-Reply-To: <1503899.34d4c664@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"aDRSZC.A.y3G.B_Y10"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2656 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 01:22:36 -0800 X-UIDL: 9717f2d23dbbce07a3508944c452d10f >>> The New E-Bow has an octave-up switch... >>What? E-Bows set up a magnetic field which excites the string. It's the >string >>length and taughtness that controls the pitch not the magnetic field. Or am I >>missing something? That's what I used to think, but I gather I too was missing something... someone around here dirrected their EBow and found both sensor and exciter coils, so the EBow principle is not dissimilar to the way a Frenandez Sustainer works - picks up magnetic field, generates much bigger version of same. To those with whom I discussed building a sustainer system - I've built the trian cct, and am waiting to get the cash together to get the pickup built.... Michael From ???@??? Mon Feb 02 12:46:21 1998 >From kflint Mon Feb 2 12:35:26 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0xzSaI-0006SR-00; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 12:35:14 -0800 Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 14:10:50 -0500 (EST) From: CORROSIVE@aol.com Message-ID: <980202141050_-962713431@mrin54> To: dwhite@arbortext.com, Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Re: Location. Resent-Message-ID: <"NrL4sC.A.IoE.Fui10"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2708 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 12:35:14 -0800 X-UIDL: 5d31396eb470cc9a840338d4d7de27c6 I agree that it would be way cool to find other loopers in the same town to interact with... I'm in Portland, OR- anybody else here? From ???@??? Mon Feb 02 12:45:28 1998 >From kflint Mon Feb 2 11:24:49 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0xzRTw-0004gM-00; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 11:24:36 -0800 Message-ID: From: David Kirkdorffer To: 'David Myers' , Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: What / who is on the forefront of looping music? Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 14:13:10 -0500 X-Priority: 1 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"z8KFW.A.W1C.wph10"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2701 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 11:24:36 -0800 X-UIDL: bc338d8b333ff4294f4d08638dfcecae David Myers' observations of Fripp at the Bottom Line brings prompts me to ask a question of all my fellow loopists. I think in the contemporary art world, a great deal of the value conferred to a "piece" is derived from it's "moving forward" or expanding an idea beyond a previous state -- puns, meanings and craftsmanship aside. So, in that context, David Myers' complaints that Fripp's "new" soundscapes aren't all that new, nor are they really "moving forward" the greater looping "oeuvre" are quite valid. Granted, that may not be Fripp's Aim. While I guess confined to a Fripp-y world, Soundscapes, or as they are recently termed, Space Music, probably *are* an expansion of the Frippertronic idea. That said, I think Fripp's concerns while he is playing his loop-based music are more to do with the Process (of improvisation and surprises) and the Setting (breaking up the audience / artist separation), than any concerns with "art." Seems to me that's more Eno's territory. *So, just for giggles, it raises the question, what / who is on the forefront of "looping-based music"?* Somewhat an impossible question, but, maybe worth bashing around for a while. David Kirkdorffer -----Original Message----- From: David Myers [SMTP:dmgraph@bway.net] Sent: Sunday, February 01, 1998 3:07 AM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Back in the Saddle Again Cripes, annihilist wouldn't let me in since Dec. 13th; my ISP just figured out how to fix the problem, whatever it was. Anyway, hope no one will mind my playing catchup a bit, posting about some older stuff, etc. What was really curious is that the day I was cut off was when I posted the following: ------------------------------------------ Robert at the Bottom Line Saturday night; saw the early show. I don't think even the people at TC Electronic or Eventide would have been pleased--this is all that can be done with 20 grand worth of gear? I kept wanting to shout, "OK, Bob, now HIT IT!". (Wouldn't have been out of place: LOTS of people were shouting.) It was like he was waiting for the right moment to break loose, but never did and never intended to--or didn't know how. I well realize that when you make a goof in a looping situation you are in deep trouble, but his timidity was appalling; 5 minutes of what we heard would have been impressive, but he more or less just let it limp along for two hours. I love everything Crimson has done, and the "Let The Power Fall"-type Frippertronics are kind of minimalist masterpieces, but listen to what somebody like Paul Dresher did on "Liquid and Stellar Music" many years ago and you begin to see that Fripp really doesn't have much to offer. Nor do I sense that he is even aware of Dresher, Terry Riley, etc.--or perhaps any work outside rock or the rock fringe. It seems that he believes he's doing something unprecedented. What he's doing that IS different is presenting a rather inept sort of ambient music to crowds which are largely unfamiliar with even Eno's "Discreet Music" (which this show was uncannily reminicent of), and pissing them off. I think 90% of this crowd expected "Red", and if I were one of them I'd be screaming, too. But I think this is part of what Robert wants to do: mess with people. He will call it "inviting them to expand their horizons" or some such thing, but it seems to me that it's mostly just self-indulgence. Yeah, the inevitable flashbulb went off--and so did Bob. He returned, but without the promised "Q & A" period afterward. I would have asked, "can we go now?". A technical speculation. Since all Fripp's sounds are synthesized (on this occasion he played two short phrases which just MIGHT have been actual guitar sounds), couldn't one forego the pricy TC audio looping and just feed MIDI info from the guitar into a looping sequencer? Then even more radical sound alterations would of course be possible (not to mention structural gymnastics), though the gee-whiz factor involved with a 6-foot-high rack of gear would be lost.... -------------------------------------------- BTW, I wanted to put in my .02 regarding a desert island looper's list: 1) Paul Dresher "Liquid and Stellar Music" 2) Terry Riley "A Rainbow in Curved Air" or "Descending Moonshine Dervishes" 3) Robert's "Let The Power Fall" or "Evening Star" w/ Eno 4) David Torn "Tripping Over God" (anyone have a copy of "What Means Solid" they'd like to sell?) 5) I agree that Sylvian's "Gone to Earth" is full of great looping-mostly Robert's doing, I think.... Also, I must say that you guys who can tolerate "Door X" must have a screw loose. What the hell was David thinking? Did you ever hear the albums on which even Herbie Hancock decided to sing? Please! -------------------------------------------- More BTW: I just ordered more RAM to max out my Echoplex and discovered an interesting phenomenon. Several of the memory companies asked me, "what is it for?", and in one case I told them. They said, we sell so-and-so for samplers and music equipment--bottom line, the very same 30-pin SIMMs as for a Mac SE30, etc., but a jacked-up price. Reason? I dunno--maybe they've had music people return RAM more often? Anyway, if you get this question concerning 30 pin SIMMs, just tell 'em it's for a Mac Classic or something. A place called Mohawk Memory sold me 4 meg SIMMs for $14 each. -David Myers From ???@??? Mon Feb 02 12:45:31 1998 >From kflint Mon Feb 2 11:28:50 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0xzRXx-0005DI-00; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 11:28:45 -0800 Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 14:13:26 -0500 (EST) From: CORROSIVE@aol.com Message-ID: <980202141326_1107993386@mrin39.mx> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Re: Different EBows Resent-Message-ID: <"CTiu2D.A.MPD.2sh10"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2702 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 11:28:45 -0800 X-UIDL: a701b25358918fcf0ed28c8b05e1a56e I've been hearing rumors about a multiple string e bow for years now, but.... From ???@??? Mon Feb 02 12:45:39 1998 >From kflint Mon Feb 2 11:43:54 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0xzRmM-00075n-00; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 11:43:38 -0800 Message-ID: <11ea01bd3011$45162b60$a7f1ffd0@default> From: "future perfect" To: Subject: Re: The new ebows Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 14:32:15 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"wusLPC.A.9LF.A8h10"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2704 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 11:43:38 -0800 X-UIDL: 41d03ee4ab726788643fcf20731857cf I use one of the old Ebows, they are not metal, but chrome colored plastic. Mine has the 'turns itself off' feature...when it gets close to a string, or any piece of metal, it turns on...when you pull it away, it turns off. It works out fine, unless its laying around in your gig bag and it comes in contact with metal, turns itself on, and when you try to use it, the battery is dead. Fortunately, the Ebow folks sold these with the coolest leather case ever, complete with belt clip and tooled 'EBow' on the side. The case looks like it cost more than the device itself.Yes, the response is slow, but like I said, nothing you can't get used to. I kinda like this, although I must admit that I haven't tried any of the newer ones. And you can't beat the cool-o chrome color-easier for people to see and say 'what the hell is that??' Dave Eichenberger ********************************************************************* 'Future Perfect' - progressive art music - visit our website at: http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Lofts/8082 >Anybody ever have on of the old, metal chassis Ebows? I just can't get >mine to sound as good a Daniel Ash's (it must be the gear, right? >Right?) From ???@??? Mon Feb 02 12:45:40 1998 >From kflint Mon Feb 2 11:53:44 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0xzRvq-0000XM-00; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 11:53:26 -0800 From: "Siobhan Canty" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: Loopers Website Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 14:35:11 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <19351216705599@cfpa.org> Resent-Message-ID: <"F20rkB.A.SeG.QGi10"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2705 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 11:53:26 -0800 X-UIDL: d8a6ce2199fed1c1aec718c630638389 Does anyone know of a reason why I would not be able to connect to the looper website recently? Up until a couple days ago, I had no problem viewing it, but for the last couple days, I get a "connot connect to server" message. And I get other websites just fine! TIA From ???@??? Mon Feb 02 12:45:44 1998 >From kflint Mon Feb 2 12:15:06 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0xzSGm-0003Yc-00; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 12:15:04 -0800 Message-ID: <124801bd3015$a4bc6b20$a7f1ffd0@default> From: "future perfect" To: Subject: Re: Loopers Website Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 15:03:33 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"BlNq1D.A.yhB.8Yi10"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2706 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 12:15:04 -0800 X-UIDL: a626245d30d106035461147d28f9fce0 >Does anyone know of a reason why I would not be able to connect to the >looper website recently? Ive had the same problem... Dave Eichenberger ********************************************************************* 'Future Perfect' - progressive art music - visit our website at: http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Lofts/8082 From ???@??? Mon Feb 02 12:45:45 1998 >From kflint Mon Feb 2 12:16:11 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0xzSHj-0003gS-00; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 12:16:03 -0800 X-Sender: nicomonguzzi@mail.vtx.ch Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <19980202140316125.AAA92@LARCH.interagp.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 21:05:02 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: "nicomonguzzi" Subject: Re: desert island disk: Jesus Blood Never Failed Me Yet Resent-Message-ID: <"vRCMqB.A.SqB.vZi10"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2707 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 12:16:03 -0800 X-UIDL: 404777261cec938c3daeef43b327b72b Can you please give me the name of the piece of John Dowland you're talking about ? thanks nicos >I suppose I am stretching the definition of looping to an extreme here, >but the repetition of a musical figure or harmonic progression is a >standard device in classical, if not orchestral music. Think of Bach's >Chaconne in D minor, Pachelbel's Canon, Ravel's Bolero etc. There is a >piece for solo lute by John Dowland (ca 1600) which consists of a repeated >descending chromatic scale around which he weaves various harmonic and >melodic threads. If only he'd had a JamMan.... > >Peter Thompson From ???@??? Tue Feb 03 00:14:01 1998 >From kflint Mon Feb 2 12:51:44 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0xzSq4-0000vl-00; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 12:51:32 -0800 From: Texture444@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 15:21:19 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Re: Re: Different EBows Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 84 Resent-Message-ID: <"GEGX-B.A._MH.DAj10"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2710 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 12:51:33 -0800 X-UIDL: 42fa6d809c7a53d1fe958856c0c03605 once upon a time, steinberger sound (via gibson corp's mgmt & dough) funded the building of a prototype guitar (by bob wolstein) w/selectably polyphonic, in-built string drivers (ie, "e-bows"). (an additional groovic feature that was worked on was the ability to sweep through the natural harmonic series, w/a knobule.) me & henry kaiser (& david lindley, methinks) shared this steinberger guitar for a while; i had it for about 5 or 6 months. it was a little clunky (used an outboard power-thingy & attaching cable), but: it rocked!, and had enormous potential..... i used it on the eponymous "mark isham" recording for virgin (which won a grammy, in 1990?), and on the film score for columbia pictures' "the beast". anyway: insofar as i know (& much to ned steinberger's great chagrin), mr. henry j. @ gibson stopped the project before completion; i believe that after a year transpired, ownership rights were supposed to revert to the estimable mr. wolstein. just a l'il tale, for ya's..... best, david torn From ???@??? Mon Feb 02 12:46:21 1998 >From kflint Mon Feb 2 12:37:28 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0xzScP-0006ls-00; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 12:37:25 -0800 Message-ID: <34D62C7C.2D3ED31B@bellsouth.net> Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 15:28:44 -0500 From: Jeff Duke Reply-To: jmar@bellsouth.net Organization: Tec Bab Labs X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Loopers Website References: <19351216705599@cfpa.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"R790rD.A.TBF.pwi10"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2709 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 12:37:25 -0800 X-UIDL: edd85f0d5dc8a97ab9e39c3573c1ed4e I am also having the same prob.No answers. jeff Siobhan Canty wrote: > Does anyone know of a reason why I would not be able to connect to the > looper website recently? Up until a couple days ago, I had no problem > viewing it, but for the last couple days, I get a "connot connect to > server" message. And I get other websites just fine! TIA From ???@??? Tue Feb 03 00:14:06 1998 >From kflint Mon Feb 2 13:33:22 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0xzTUV-0006OY-00; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 13:33:19 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: location & Loopers' CD Message-ID: <19980202.154236.4951.0.DOINA@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.38 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-27 From: doina@juno.com (paparuda o o) Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 15:44:22 EST Resent-Message-ID: <"iqWQjC.A.ZiE.Gkj10"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2715 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 13:33:19 -0800 X-UIDL: 7b9ffd1a9c14ba304f4bb0d8fd36ca28 >On Mon, 02 Feb 1998 00:48:57 Mark Sottilaro writes: >Do you think we could all give an email with a location? >That way we could all get an idea of what kind >of dispersion there is among us. yeah! even more, i would actually like to meet other loopers; i don't know anyone around here. also, i'd like to listen to other loopers' music, to see how they use the tools (mine is a Plex). i'm sure someone ou'there uses some tricks that i never thought of. that's why i asked previously if anyone has a copy of the first Loopers' CD; to "compare" my use of the machine with other "advanced" users, to see if i'm doing justice to all the work Matthias, Kim and Eric have put into the Plex. 'cause i believe in the VALUE of "things" that is not measured in PRICE. ...and, why not, to "steal" some "tricks of the trade" from the masters. it's seems to me that most of the loopers are into "ambient" instrumental music. i think i'm just using loops to replace other voices in the choir and to create vocal compositions in which i do all the parts live. so, please, if you have a copy of the "loopers CD", or would like to share your (COPYRIGHT protected) looped music can you let me know? many thanks to David Myers for the Mohawk Memory info Paparuda in Hartford, Connecticut. _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From ???@??? Tue Feb 03 00:14:03 1998 >From kflint Mon Feb 2 13:11:51 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0xzT9b-0003UP-00; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 13:11:43 -0800 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19980202204951.009b3328@pop.chromatic.com> X-Sender: kflint@pop.chromatic.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 12:49:51 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Loopers Website Resent-Message-ID: <"d6EODB.A.mDC.xQj10"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2712 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 13:11:43 -0800 X-UIDL: f0aa6e1a50e47e7bd303c1e521ada7fd My ISP is looking into the problem, hopefully it will be back up in a couple of hours. thanks for letting me know. (although, for future reference, it's usually a lot faster to alert me to such problems by emailing me directly at kflint@annihilist.com) kim At 03:28 PM 2/2/98 -0500, Jeff Duke wrote: >I am also having the same prob.No answers. >jeff > >Siobhan Canty wrote: > >> Does anyone know of a reason why I would not be able to connect to the >> looper website recently? Up until a couple days ago, I had no problem >> viewing it, but for the last couple days, I get a "connot connect to >> server" message. And I get other websites just fine! TIA > > > > > > _______________________________________________________ Kim Flint 408-752-9284 Mpact Systems Engineering kflint@chromatic.com Chromatic Research http://www.chromatic.com From ???@??? Tue Feb 03 00:14:02 1998 >From kflint Mon Feb 2 13:09:47 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0xzT7d-0003A8-00; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 13:09:41 -0800 From: Fmplautus@aol.com Message-ID: <313e3577.34d6328e@aol.com> Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 15:54:36 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Location. Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 78 Resent-Message-ID: <"AsAp6D.A.bjB.yMj10"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2711 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 13:09:41 -0800 X-UIDL: f38947745ef56040e15b2c63ad1982e4 The LoOpDoctOrs practice their medicine, including "loopendectomies" in Ashland, Oregon. From ???@??? Tue Feb 03 00:14:07 1998 >From kflint Mon Feb 2 13:34:50 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0xzTVq-0006bd-00; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 13:34:42 -0800 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19980202205525.00a34c6c@pop.chromatic.com> X-Sender: kflint@pop.chromatic.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 12:55:25 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, dwhite@arbortext.com, Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Re: Location. Resent-Message-ID: <"t2iih.A.ssE.Dlj10"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2716 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 13:34:42 -0800 X-UIDL: d2e563fb948b687bbae2c87c99f5fd29 This is exactly the point of the "Loopers of the World" section of the Looper's Delight website. It contains profiles of people from all over the world, with descriptions of their styles, background, contact info, gear, etc. At this time, we are automating this section so it will be easy for people to add and modify their profiles. This should be done in a week or so, if you don't have your profile up there yet wait until the new page is ready. This is being set up Chris Chovit and Michael Peters, who have been amazing and brilliant in making it happen. Massive thanks to them! We'll announce the new version as soon as it's ready. In the mean time, feel free to browse the many profiles from other loopers. It's a great way to learn about some of the other people here. (well, you might have to wait a few hours until my ISP get's my domain name back online.....) kim At 02:10 PM 2/2/98 -0500, CORROSIVE@aol.com wrote: >I agree that it would be way cool to find other loopers in the same town to >interact with... I'm in Portland, OR- anybody else here? > > > _______________________________________________________ Kim Flint 408-752-9284 Mpact Systems Engineering kflint@chromatic.com Chromatic Research http://www.chromatic.com From ???@??? Tue Feb 03 00:14:50 1998 >From kflint Mon Feb 2 17:03:21 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0xzWla-0003q4-00; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 17:03:10 -0800 Message-ID: <2148EC143F29D1118BE000805FC13CD014CC1D@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: mackie? vs. soundcraft... Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 14:58:41 -0600 X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Resent-Message-ID: <"rGA3jD.A.43B.Ynm10"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2730 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 17:03:10 -0800 X-UIDL: 488b9e568556a6f4bd751694f5d008fe Well, just to add more fuel to this partcular fire . . . The unfortunate reality is that A LOT of companies do business this way (even to the extent of using slave labor in China!?!?!?). Next time you buy your groovy running shoes, check it out. Even worse from my perspective (being a dad) is that it is extremely hard to get kids' toys or clothes that aren't made in China- talk about Karma . . . (p.s. uncle Bill didn't need to get bribed by the Chinese for MFN status, American business took care of that . . . .) > >The local deal on it was 550 bones (USD). > > This sounds like a great deal, and I've never had a problem with > Behringer's product. I DO have a problem with their politics. For > Behringer, R&D seems to stand for Reverse-engineer and Deviate (just > enough > so they can't get sued for stealing their desings) > > The units are prototyped in Germany, and the production cycle is fine > tuned. Then, Behringer engineers detool in Germany and tool up at > plants > in Asia where they can pay SKILLED solders (as your experience would > support) and assembly workers a few cents an hour. > > Before I get on my Kathy Lee soap box, if this is the American way of > doing > business, count me out. Their products hit great price points. (Their > version of the Ramsa 31 band EQ is great, (beautiful soft interface) > and is > dirt cheap, but I'd rather save myself the bad karma). Just thought > that > you ought to know. > > Doug > > > From ???@??? Tue Feb 03 00:14:05 1998 >From kflint Mon Feb 2 13:23:58 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0xzTLH-00055X-00; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 13:23:47 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 13:08:45 -0800 Message-ID: <00084B1A.----@wj.com> From: Mike.Biffle@wj.com (Mike Biffle) Subject: Process vs. Theory- was, Who's on the forefront of loopmuse To: "'David Myers'" , Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, David Kirkdorffer Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Resent-Message-ID: <"jiqZ3.A.6eD.ebj10"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2714 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 13:23:47 -0800 X-UIDL: a9a552a586f73178858816b795bab3a6 David Kirkdorffer wrote... >I think in the contemporary art world, a great deal of the value >conferred to a "piece" is derived from it's "moving forward" or >expanding an idea beyond a previous state -- puns, meanings and >craftsmanship aside. Interesting comment David. When my wife was in the MFA graduate program at CCAC (California College of Arts and Crafts in Oakland, CA.) There was often this debate over Theory and continuous dialog (often just one upmanship) versus "Process" and being true to process. >So, in that context, David Myers' complaints that Fripp's "new" >soundscapes aren't all that new, nor are they really "moving forward" >the greater looping "oeuvre" are quite valid. >Granted, that may not be Fripp's Aim. While I guess confined to a >Fripp-y world, Soundscapes, or as they are recently termed, Space Music, Space Music!!!!??? We were calling our improvs Space Music in 1971!! Boy that really does break gound! (I mean wind.) 8-> >probably *are* an expansion of the Frippertronic idea. That said, I >think Fripp's concerns while he is playing his loop-based music are more >to do with the Process (of improvisation and surprises) and the Setting >(breaking up the audience / artist separation), than any concerns with >"art." My take on it regarding Fripp is this... Robert Fripp has been described by people like Bowie and Sylvian as working "very fast" and not being all that concerned with lots of takes and polishing the piece, etc. He likes to live with the results of his first or true reactions to a given musical moment. His ongoing experiments with his solo work seem to involve this "set and setting" sort of process. That being an interactive relationship with equipment, personal being, environment and audience. Not necessarily the best location to devolop a theory oriented "thesis" type of quantum leap in thought and execution. I don't believe any of his lectures and early stage exits are performance art oriented. They are practical measures he uses only to illustrate better what he's trying to accomplish. As much as I dislike his lectures to the audience, I do tend to agree with his process. He's probably taken so much crap from people that he's more stubborn in his formalistic way than ever. And I'm not sure I can blame him for that. It seems that process oriented work involves a lot of trust and a belief that you will learn and grow as much from disastrous outcomes as well as successes in the "process". Nothing is a finished piece in that they all represent only a moment in time. Next time around... Who knows? Does a process oriented approach keep you more humble? and about art? >Seems to me that's more Eno's territory. Sounds good to me... Although I've heard Eno and others describe some of his studio behavior, and he still sounds fairly process oriented. >*So, just for giggles, it raises the question, what / who is on the >forefront of "looping-based music"?* >David Kirkdorffer Good question! I better get my VISA out and buy a few more CD's! I live in a pretty tight vacuum at the moment. David Myers earlier comments... >>Robert at the Bottom Line Saturday night; saw the early show. I >>don't think even the people at TC Electronic or Eventide would have >>been pleased--this is all that can be done with 20 grand worth of >>gear? I kept wanting to shout, "OK, Bob, now HIT IT!". (Wouldn't have been >>out of place: LOTS of people were shouting.) It was like he was >>waiting for the right moment to break loose, but never did and never intended >>to--or didn't know how. I well realize that when you make a goof in a looping >>situation you are in deep trouble, but his timidity was appalling; 5 >>minutes of what we heard would have been impressive, but he more or less just >>let it limp along for two hours. >>I love everything Crimson has done, and the "Let The Power >>Fall"-type Frippertronics are kind of minimalist masterpieces, but listen >>to what somebody like Paul Dresher did on "Liquid and Stellar Music" >>many years ago and you begin to see that Fripp really doesn't have much to >>offer. Nor do I sense that he is even aware of Dresher, Terry Riley, etc.--or >>perhaps any work outside rock or the rock fringe. It seems that he believes >>he's doing something unprecedented. What he's doing that IS different is >>presenting a rather inept sort of ambient music to crowds which are largely >>unfamiliar with even Eno's "Discreet Music" (which this show was uncannily >>reminicent of), and pissing them off. I think 90% of this crowd expected >>"Red", and if I were one of them I'd be screaming, too. But I think this >>is part of what Robert wants to do: mess with people. He will call it >>"inviting them to expand their horizons" or some such thing, but it seems to >>me that it's mostly just self-indulgence. >>Yeah, the inevitable flashbulb went off--and so did Bob. He returned, >>butwithout the promised "Q & A" period afterward. I would have asked, "can wego >>now?". >>-David Myers Wow David... I'll bet you're in for a roast! I saw Fripp waaayyyy back at Madame Wongs on his first Frippertronics tour (1976 or so?) when he was carting around a couple of Revoxes. After an incredibly long wait outside, we were the treated to a long lecture about audience responsibility and his particular rules about tape recorders and cameras etc. I saw about 1/2 hour of that and left. He did more to spoil the magic of hearing his music than any flashbulb might have. I truly was looking forward to seeing him, and went away disturbed that the event was so entirely uncomfortable. Not in any mind-stretching avante-garde way, but just physically and mentally overbearing. In more recent Soundscapes concerts, as impressive as I think they are, I've often wished he'd just let it rip, if only for a moment or so. How about responsibility to your audience Robert? I'll meet you half way. Now I've done it. I'll see you in hell David Myers! -Miko From ???@??? Tue Feb 03 00:14:04 1998 >From kflint Mon Feb 2 13:22:45 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0xzTK4-0004so-00; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 13:22:32 -0800 Message-Id: <199802022114.OAA02379@hyper.dimensional.com> From: "Scott Bullerwell" To: Subject: Re: mackie? vs. soundcraft... Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 14:09:15 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"aJeWxD.A.VTD.Xaj10"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2713 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 13:22:32 -0800 X-UIDL: 0d60904594dc73866d9ece0db9cbdfd0 Doug wrote: > This sounds like a great deal, and I've never had a problem with > Behringer's product. I DO have a problem with their politics. For > Behringer, R&D seems to stand for Reverse-engineer and Deviate (just enough > so they can't get sued for stealing their desings) > > The units are prototyped in Germany, and the production cycle is fine > tuned. Then, Behringer engineers detool in Germany and tool up at plants > in Asia where they can pay SKILLED solders (as your experience would > support) and assembly workers a few cents an hour. > > Before I get on my Kathy Lee soap box, if this is the American way of doing > business, count me out. Their products hit great price points. (Their > version of the Ramsa 31 band EQ is great, (beautiful soft interface) and is > dirt cheap, but I'd rather save myself the bad karma). Just thought that > you ought to know. Agreed. I mentioned this before when someone asked for a reccomendation on a compressor. I don't pretend to be up on the human rights in China issue (certainly the military--under the trade name Norinco--does run most manufacturing) but the story on Behringer's engineering chickanery is long and dirty. They've been sued (successfully) by Aphex for copping the exciter's circuitry, and by Mackie for stealing circuit board designs. In the Mackie case, I have heard that the clincher was that the Behringer had a printed circuit board on it with an error that was identical to the error on the Mackie board in question. Oops. Now Behringer's been accused of copying the capsule from (if I remember correctly) the Neumann microphone. However, if I place the art vs. ethics consideration aside for a moment I'm sorely tempted to buy myself a Behringer 2642. As for politics--Greg Mackie is a Deadhead, something I find morally repugnant ;-) but I'd still consider buying his products. Scott From ???@??? Tue Feb 03 00:14:21 1998 >From kflint Mon Feb 2 14:19:41 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0xzUDK-000584-00; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 14:19:38 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 15:04:36 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: dtapia@unoco.edu (Douglas Tapia) Subject: Re: To BEhringer or not to BEhringer Resent-Message-ID: <"rb2BWD.A.AAD.RMk10"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2719 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 14:19:38 -0800 X-UIDL: 162c6c53117e51bcc4d9269ad67ca67d They've been sued (successfully) by Aphex for copping the >exciter's circuitry, and by Mackie for stealing circuit board designs. In >the Mackie case, I have heard that the clincher was that the Behringer had >a printed circuit board on it with an error that was identical to the error >on the Mackie board in question. Oops. Now Behringer's been accused of >copying the capsule from (if I remember correctly) the Neumann microphone. One thing I'll say for Behringer, they pick good stuff to copy, eh? >However, if I place the art vs. ethics consideration aside for a moment I'm >sorely tempted to buy myself a Behringer 2642. As for politics--Greg >Mackie is a Deadhead, something I find morally repugnant ;-) but I'd still >consider buying his products. This is true. I would never look down on somone for buying good Behringer products at good prices. These are personal decisions, and everyone must find his/her own path. It strikes me as funny that all of a sudden, Mackie has become another BIG company in a lawsuit pitted against someone infringing on their territory. (Remember when Mackie was the little upstart that was going to kick everyone's butts? They ARE corporate America now!) As for Greg's being a Deadhead, I am inclined to agree with you, but if we refused to by technology from former associates of the Dead we'd have no Meyer, no Alembic, no Gamble consoles, no Crown derivitive mics. . . Guess The Dead were kinda like the Microsoft of the Music biz. We all use products pioneered in their ranks, but we don't like to be reminded of that fact very often. From ???@??? Tue Feb 03 00:14:43 1998 >From kflint Mon Feb 2 16:06:21 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0xzVsa-0003uk-00; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 16:06:20 -0800 Message-ID: <2148EC143F29D1118BE000805FC13CD014CC1E@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: location & Loopers' CD Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 16:18:24 -0600 X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Resent-Message-ID: <"LMyMvC.A.MDC.dxl10"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2727 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 16:06:20 -0800 X-UIDL: f493112c828e93705b143f29c8fbdece steuart liebig culver city, ca (basically l.a.) > ---------- > From: doina@juno.com > Reply To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Sent: Monday, February 2, 1998 1:33 PM > To: LiebigSA@maritz.com > Subject: location & Loopers' CD > > > >On Mon, 02 Feb 1998 00:48:57 Mark Sottilaro writes: > >Do you think we could all give an email with a location? > >That way we could all get an idea of what kind > >of dispersion there is among us. > > yeah! even more, i would actually like to meet other loopers; > i don't know anyone around here. also, i'd like to listen to > other loopers' music, to see how they use the tools (mine is a Plex). > i'm sure someone ou'there uses some tricks that i never > thought of. that's why i asked previously if anyone has a copy > of the first Loopers' CD; to "compare" my use of the machine > with other "advanced" users, to see if i'm doing justice to > all the work Matthias, Kim and Eric have put into the Plex. > 'cause i believe in the VALUE of "things" that is not > measured in PRICE. ...and, why not, to "steal" some > "tricks of the trade" from the masters. > it's seems to me that most of the loopers are into "ambient" > instrumental music. i think i'm just using loops to replace > other voices in the choir and to create vocal compositions > in which i do all the parts live. > so, please, if you have a copy of the "loopers CD", or > would like to share your (COPYRIGHT protected) looped music > can you let me know? > > many thanks to David Myers for the Mohawk Memory info > > Paparuda in Hartford, Connecticut. > > _____________________________________________________________________ > You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. > Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com > Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] > > From ???@??? Tue Feb 03 00:14:22 1998 >From kflint Mon Feb 2 14:23:42 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0xzUHE-0005fe-00; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 14:23:40 -0800 Message-ID: <34D64647.56@dmans.com> Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 16:18:47 -0600 From: "Mikell D. Nelson" Reply-To: mnelson@dmans.com Organization: Boomerang Musical Products X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Any Hot News? / where was Boomerang? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"VLqRkD.A.0jD.bQk10"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2720 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 14:23:40 -0800 X-UIDL: 00be89f56cceec13541d6750328be599 Kim Flint wrote: > > Well, I didn't see Boomerang at the show. I was all over it, and they're > not in the directory, so presumably they weren't there. Motley? Where were > you? I didn't see them last year, either. The two Texas Rangsters are alive and well; business is booming, no pun intended. But... we haven't been to NAMM since 1996. We attended that year and spent a lot of money and energy with very little to show for it, so the bitter taste is still in our mouth. One acquaintance mentioned the 3 year plan: year 1 - they notice you, year 2 - they are reassured that you are still in business, and year 3 - they think maybe you're on to something and a buy a few units. Maybe this is how it goes. :^} Does anybody in the biz have opinions about the summer NAMM show in Nashville? Is it not worth going because it's small and poorly attended or is it better for the small guy, especially accessories, because it's focused and you can have more of each store owner's time? Motley at Boomerang Musical Products From ???@??? Tue Feb 03 00:14:38 1998 >From kflint Mon Feb 2 15:40:56 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0xzVTy-0000ej-00; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 15:40:54 -0800 From: Paolo Valladolid Message-Id: <199802022222.OAA10883@waynesworld.ucsd.edu> Subject: Re: Re: Re: Different EBows To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 14:22:17 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: from "Texture444@aol.com" at Feb 2, 98 03:21:19 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"uTLR6.A.GCH.0el10"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2723 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 15:40:54 -0800 X-UIDL: f05ff45f18e032f254374a90135d490c > once upon a time, steinberger sound (via gibson corp's mgmt & dough) funded > the building of a prototype guitar (by bob wolstein) w/selectably polyphonic, > in-built string drivers (ie, "e-bows"). > (an additional groovic feature that was worked on was the ability to sweep > through the natural harmonic series, w/a knobule.) > me & henry kaiser (& david lindley, methinks) shared this steinberger guitar > for a while; i had it for about 5 or 6 months. > it was a little clunky (used an outboard power-thingy & attaching cable), but: > it rocked!, and had enormous potential..... Was this guitar the realization of your "idea" mentioned in a 1987 Electronic Musician article? You said you had an idea involving a hex pickup and a way to get synthesized sounds without the inconveniences of pitch-to-MIDI tracking, but that you couldn't talk about it at the time. Or was your idea more along the lines of what is embodied today in the Roland VG-8 (a hexaphonic digital signal processor) ? If you can't respond, that's cool too. I'm just curious. Cheers, Paolo Valladolid --------------------------------------------------------------- |Moderator of Digital Guitar Digest, an Internet mailing list |\ |for Music Technology and Stringed Instruments | \ ---------------------------------------------------------------- | \ finger pvallado@waynesworld.ucsd.edu for more info \ | \ http://waynesworld.ucsd.edu/DigitalGuitar/home.html \| ----------------------------------------------------------------- From ???@??? Tue Feb 03 00:14:24 1998 >From kflint Mon Feb 2 14:38:46 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0xzUVo-0007jD-00; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 14:38:44 -0800 Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 17:24:34 -0500 From: buzzard@world.std.com (Sean T Barrett) Message-Id: <199802022224.AA17239@world.std.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: vortex woes Resent-Message-ID: <"Jz9TFD.A.BhF.Hfk10"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2721 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 14:38:44 -0800 X-UIDL: 2516cd451e15955c1511e3153fda4f83 VORTEX SPECIFIC! This is not the loop email you're looking for. Move along. Greg Hogan wrote: >It seems like your machine is confused. Try resetting it as >follows:Warning! This will erase user registers and replace them with >the presets. Thanks, Greg. It was worth a shot. Actually, before I did this, I did a little further investigation than before, and found that things were not as bad as I had thought. Whereas I had thought that all A->B copies were bad (based on 2 out of 2 samples), further investigation showed that it seems to be limited to certain patches. Resetting it did not, however, fix the problem. If someone else with a Vortex wants to check if this is a general Vortex bug, not specific to my machine, that would be cool. (Either one seems plausible at the moment.) The most consistent behavior is as follows: Turn the volume down on whatever the Vortex is feeding Copy PRESET 14A to register 14B (you'll destroy your 14B... you could try a different register of course, but it _seems_ like it has to be to a B register) Turn the knob away and back to 14 (leaving B selected). At least nine times out of ten that produces continuous high-volume noise (self-oscillation?) on my Vortex. Sean Barrett From ???@??? Tue Feb 03 00:14:25 1998 >From kflint Mon Feb 2 14:40:54 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0xzUXs-0000EJ-00; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 14:40:52 -0800 Message-ID: <34D64848.6E46@dmans.com> Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 16:27:20 -0600 From: "Mikell D. Nelson" Reply-To: mnelson@dmans.com Organization: Boomerang Musical Products X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: zoom effects units/vocoding References: <34D5E1DA.8581BD7D@scee.sony.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"hotc1B.A.Z4F.shk10"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2722 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 14:40:52 -0800 X-UIDL: a9a128430f170a128a30f1af86a10f2d > Anyone ever combined looping with vocoding? I'm wondering what would > happen if you vocoded a loop with itself, somehow.... > Os, You sick pig, you! What a cool thought. I don't have a vocoder. Someone please try this and give a report. Motley From ???@??? Tue Feb 03 00:15:01 1998 >From kflint Mon Feb 2 18:26:31 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0xzY4A-0007k4-00; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 18:26:26 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.2.16.19980202143153.2187a65e@texas.net> X-Sender: sharkey@texas.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.2 (16) Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 14:31:53 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: james rhodes Subject: Re: Desert Island Discs/ Car CD player choices In-Reply-To: <34D28DAF.298B@earthlink.net> References: <002301bd2d7a$d3157220$70da6f83@pt205.wolfson.cam.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"twcK5.A.28F.H4n10"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2733 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 18:26:26 -0800 X-UIDL: 6fee2da33291336d369a46f2bf0de9d0 thought i might suggest some VERY fine choices,,,when space is minimal. Looping Type: 1) Bill Nelson- "Chance Encounters in the Garden of Lights" 2) Steve Reich-"Sextet" 3) Woob- "1194" 4) David Sylvian & Holger Czukay- "Plight and Premonition" Non-Looping type: 1) Bruford-"One of a KInd" 2) Naked City-"Radio" 3) Lounge Lizards- "Voice of Chunk" 4) the Jesus Lizard- "Liar" 5) Rain Tree Crow and to those who are raggin "Door X",,,it really has some nice tunes from track 6 on...its not THAT bad....not as hip as Polytown,,,but not much is,, james From ???@??? Tue Feb 03 00:14:41 1998 >From kflint Mon Feb 2 15:50:46 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0xzVdQ-0001uN-00; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 15:50:40 -0800 From: ENAT21213@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 18:25:53 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Location/MABEY YOU CAN HELP US?. Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 64 Resent-Message-ID: <"-HzjOB.A.KL.nil10"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2725 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 15:50:40 -0800 X-UIDL: b394eb7438535d698735b0b2337c6458 Hello everyone, I loop in Myrtle Beach,South Carolina. I perform with electric bird noise which is basically my solo gig but once in a while ebn does perform as a duo.We are looking into doing a tour of the northeast around April/May.I noticed there are quite a few of you on this list that reside in the northeast region.We are seeking information on clubs,coffehouses,anywere that may be loop friendly.Basically we'll play for gas money(a place to crash would also be nice).We have a promo pack/demo we could send you/clubs/etc. We play often (mostly clubs)and have a pretty good following here in our neck of the woods(the southeast).Any loopers interested in playing the southeast?Contact us we can help. Any information or help from you guys would be greatly appeciated. thanks, Brian McKenzie ENAT21213@aol.com From ???@??? Tue Feb 03 00:14:41 1998 >From kflint Mon Feb 2 16:04:26 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0xzVqa-0003eQ-00; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 16:04:16 -0800 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19980202233202.009a15f8@pop.chromatic.com> X-Sender: kflint@pop.chromatic.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 15:32:02 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: location & Loopers' CD Resent-Message-ID: <"oforaD.A.FzB.Uvl10"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2726 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 16:04:16 -0800 X-UIDL: 590e04457e95e2116c34b42f1902f219 At 03:44 PM 2/2/98 EST, paparuda o o wrote: > >yeah! even more, i would actually like to meet other loopers; I think that is generally a great idea, and probably my biggest motivation for creating this whole monster of an internet address! Get together! Collaborate! Share ideas! Real-live or Virtual! Go forth and Multiply! (pun intended there....) >it's seems to me that most of the loopers are into "ambient" >instrumental music. I'm not. In fact, I'm morally opposed to being an ambient musician. What others choose to do with their lives is their own business, but I resolutely refuse to have anything to do with this ambient stuff. I'm deeply offended by any implication that being into looping means I'm ambient. I'm proud of my long history here resisting the ambient tyranny that threatens to overcome all other loopists! I will also continue to resist shameless idol worship of this Fripp fellow. Soundscapes, poundcakes. Not for me! of course, neither of those is as sick as being a deadhead. Those maniacs are actually planning to open a Grateful Dead theme park in San Francisco. The apocalypse will arrive none too soon. this, of course, gets many smiley's: :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) >so, please, if you have a copy of the "loopers CD", or >would like to share your (COPYRIGHT protected) looped music >can you let me know? that CD project actually is not yet completed. As I understand, it's in a bag on someone's shelf awaiting arrival of the still-vaporware-Layla sound card. Seems likely that CD #2 will arrive before CD #1. kim _______________________________________________________ Kim Flint 408-752-9284 Mpact Systems Engineering kflint@chromatic.com Chromatic Research http://www.chromatic.com From ???@??? Tue Feb 03 00:14:40 1998 >From kflint Mon Feb 2 15:49:42 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0xzVcT-0001lm-00; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 15:49:41 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 15:34:48 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel) Subject: Re: zoom effects units/vocoding Resent-Message-ID: <"6W-3OC.A.FUH.Vhl10"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2724 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 15:49:41 -0800 X-UIDL: b25a255b3c12691194ca70d2cac00710 At 4:27 PM 2/2/98, Mikell D. Nelson wrote: >> Anyone ever combined looping with vocoding? I'm wondering what would >> happen if you vocoded a loop with itself, somehow.... >> >Os, > You sick pig, you! What a cool thought. I don't have a vocoder. >Someone please try this and give a report. > >Motley It seems to me that it wouldn't affect anything, since the vocoder filters would passing the material in each range that's already there, it wouldn't be changing the spectra of the vocoded signal at all. BUT, if you put a delay line before one of the vocoder inputs, it might be an interesting effect, if the spectra of the loop were changing over time. Hmmm, and I just sold my vocoder. ________________________________________________________ Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org : www.peak.org/~improv/ "...there will come a day when you won't have to use gasoline. You'd simply take a cassette and put it in your car, let it run. You'd have to have the proper type of music. Like you take two sticks, put 'em together, make fire. You take some notes and rub 'em together - dum, dum, dum, dum - fire, cosmic fire." -Sun Ra ________________________________________________________ From ???@??? Tue Feb 03 00:14:58 1998 >From kflint Mon Feb 2 18:04:44 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0xzXj4-0004oq-00; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 18:04:38 -0800 Message-ID: From: "Ott, John" To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: RE:Fernandes guy at NAMM Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 17:56:39 -0600 X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Resent-Message-ID: <"4osuyC.A.iHD.oin10"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2731 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 18:04:38 -0800 X-UIDL: 7b03189608e76b65e82aebd14c614e95 >>>>quote>>> > From: Peter Thompson > Reply To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Sent: Monday, February 2, 1998 6:07 PM > To: John_Ott@ATK.COM > Subject: Re: RE:Fernandes guy at NAMM > > I notice that > > both Fripp and Gabriel don't use the sustainers for sound but > > use a Roland GK-2 pickup into a GR synth or VG-8 to get > > sounds. > > > > > > later > > John > > > > > > Robert Fripp is now using a Sustainer-equipped Fernandes Les Paul and > has > been at least since I saw King Crimson in London a couple of years > ago. > > Pete > <<<From kflint Mon Feb 2 16:28:22 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0xzWDm-0006p0-00; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 16:28:14 -0800 Message-ID: <2148EC143F29D1118BE000805FC13CD014CC20@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: location & Loopers' CD Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 18:17:26 -0600 X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Resent-Message-ID: <"vt6_M.A.yJF.WJm10"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2728 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 16:28:14 -0800 X-UIDL: f5a77d8c4d435cc6baf8b87008771e5b Yeah, I tend to think of loops as being only a small part of the live/recorded imporvised or composed experience. A small part of the canvas, sometimes you need to do alot sometimes a little; sometimes intense noise, sometimes tonal bliss . . . If all you are doing is looping, well I don't know . . . are you playing music or IC chips? . . . I only say this because I have friends who have gone this route and I'm not really sure that it leads to what I consider an important factor in music: human interaction. (Often have the same problem with totally pre-recorded concerts or music concrete.) > ---------- > From: Kim Flint > Reply To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Sent: Monday, February 2, 1998 4:04 PM > To: LiebigSA@maritz.com > Subject: Re: location & Loopers' CD > > At 03:44 PM 2/2/98 EST, paparuda o o wrote: > > > > >yeah! even more, i would actually like to meet other loopers; > > I think that is generally a great idea, and probably my biggest > motivation > for creating this whole monster of an internet address! Get together! > Collaborate! Share ideas! Real-live or Virtual! Go forth and Multiply! > > > (pun intended there....) > > > >it's seems to me that most of the loopers are into "ambient" > >instrumental music. > > I'm not. In fact, I'm morally opposed to being an ambient musician. > What > others choose to do with their lives is their own business, but I > resolutely > refuse to have anything to do with this ambient stuff. I'm deeply > offended > by any implication that being into looping means I'm ambient. I'm > proud of > my long history here resisting the ambient tyranny that threatens to > overcome all other loopists! I will also continue to resist shameless > idol > worship of this Fripp fellow. Soundscapes, poundcakes. Not for me! > > of course, neither of those is as sick as being a deadhead. Those > maniacs > are actually planning to open a Grateful Dead theme park in San > Francisco. > The apocalypse will arrive none too soon. > > this, of course, gets many smiley's: :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) > > > >so, please, if you have a copy of the "loopers CD", or > >would like to share your (COPYRIGHT protected) looped music > >can you let me know? > > that CD project actually is not yet completed. As I understand, it's > in a > bag on someone's shelf awaiting arrival of the still-vaporware-Layla > sound > card. Seems likely that CD #2 will arrive before CD #1. > > kim > _______________________________________________________ > Kim Flint 408-752-9284 > Mpact Systems Engineering kflint@chromatic.com > Chromatic Research http://www.chromatic.com > > From ???@??? Tue Feb 03 00:15:00 1998 >From kflint Mon Feb 2 18:25:56 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0xzY3Z-0007et-00; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 18:25:49 -0800 Message-ID: <34D66707.C4AAD40E@mail.clt.bellsouth.net> Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 19:38:32 -0500 From: "Samuel D. Burns" Reply-To: usonian@bellsouth.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Location. References: <34D4D843.737C@isrv.com> <34D55E4A.C92AACD9@mailbox.syr.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"ZGQ0eD.A.32F.n3n10"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2732 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 18:25:49 -0800 X-UIDL: bb18960a09ef2c8303a29715b7703cf8 Charlotte, NC here! Darcy Clark wrote: > Ann Arbor, MI here also ! > > only been looping for about 6 months, but loving my jamman/vortex combo ;) > > Darcy Clark > University of Michigan > --------------------- > > >Ann Arbor, MI > > > >Dave White > >Tortoise Studio Productions > > > >mark sottilaro wrote: > > > >> Hey Loopers. > >> > >> Every once and a while I wonder if I'm near anyone on this list. Do you > >>think > >> we could all give an email with a location to the list? That way we > >>could all > >> get an idea of what kind of dispersion there is among us. > >> > >> I'm living in Syracuse NY at the moment. > >> > >> Later, > >> > >> Mark Sottilaro > > Darcy Clark > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > Materials Science and Engineering Department > University of Michigan > Ann Arbor, MI, 48109-2136 > USA > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > Room 2130, Dow Building > Phone (734) 764 3377 > Fax (734) 763 4788 > E-mail darcyc@engin.umich.edu > http://msewww.engin.umich.edu/mse250 > http://msewww.engin.umich.edu/people/darcyc/ > http://mseadmin.engin.umich.edu:591/ > http://www-personal.engin.umich.edu/~darcyc/ > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From ???@??? Mon Feb 02 09:29:43 1998 >From kflint Mon Feb 2 07:06:49 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0xzNSR-0004us-00; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 07:06:47 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19980202164117.18c7219a@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> X-Sender: pycraft@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (16) Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 16:41:17 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: "Michael P. Hughes, Ph.D." Subject: Re: Fernandes Sustainer In-Reply-To: <001001bd2fe0$3b3bda80$70da6f83@pt205.wolfson.cam.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"_VnkX.A.zBE.b_d10"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2672 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 07:06:47 -0800 X-UIDL: fbc18f29278c0cf4db70832a729eefd9 >1) Is the Fernandes or any other sustainer available as a retro-fit? Yes, but Fernandez charge a wallet-smasking 272UK for it ($400)!!! I'm currently trying to build one myself, as soon as I get the cash for the pickup together.... >2) Does anyone know how Michael Brook's Infinite Guitar works? Yes, but it's a secret! ;b But really, I'm not sure if it's anything more than a sustainer -type system with a bit more control over the cct via a footswitch. Michael From ???@??? Tue Feb 03 00:15:06 1998 >From kflint Mon Feb 2 19:14:47 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0xzYou-0004ya-00; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 19:14:44 -0800 From: ANET@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 20:42:08 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Location/MABEY YOU CAN HELP US?. (3rd CD project) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 18 Resent-Message-ID: <"_P8zgD.A.CUE.tro10"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2735 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 19:14:44 -0800 X-UIDL: 8b01800a751891c16d2a31d00190a92b Hey Brian, Got your tape for the 3rd cd project and am setting up the WEB PAGE for it. Thanks and will keep you informed. From ???@??? Tue Feb 03 00:15:04 1998 >From kflint Mon Feb 2 18:59:10 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0xzYZo-0003Sa-00; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 18:59:08 -0800 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19980203024334.006fdee0@pop.chromatic.com> X-Sender: kflint@pop.chromatic.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 18:43:34 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: RE: RE:Fernandes guy at NAMM Resent-Message-ID: <"HIJu-.A.wxC.Sco10"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2734 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 18:59:08 -0800 X-UIDL: f113a8fac9a23f862603eed33d8a6e3f At 05:56 PM 2/2/98 -0600, Ott, John wrote: > What do you sustainer owners think of the pickup > sound on sustainer equipped guitars? > > So far reports I have heard say the sound is degraded. I think they sound like crap for anything other than the sustainer. I see my fernandes as a one trick pony, which I mostly only use with lots of distortion and processing. Come to think of it, I can't even remember having it out of the case in the last year..... They are killer for loop textures, though. You absolutely have to have a whammy and some real time effects and filter control to make it interesting. Turns a guitar into more of an oscillator (as in an analog synth), with an interesting waveform that has lots of possiblities for sonic manipulation. Lots of overdubs of one note with ever so slight whammy tweaking, for those completely evil dissonances.... YES! kim _______________________________________________________ Kim Flint 408-752-9284 Mpact Systems Engineering kflint@chromatic.com Chromatic Research http://www.chromatic.com From ???@??? Tue Feb 03 00:15:09 1998 >From kflint Mon Feb 2 19:42:10 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0xzZFM-0007Y6-00; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 19:42:04 -0800 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <313e3577.34d6328e@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: klaw@iglou.com Subject: Re: Location. Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 22:37:52 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: <"g0MF5C.A.-kG.UEp10"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2736 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 19:42:04 -0800 X-UIDL: fa782e4036e028a6866c90b4a6daea05 Greetings Im based in the great city of Louisville Ky . Been looping most of my musical life . Give or take a delay or two. Sorry:.) K Law From ???@??? Tue Feb 03 00:15:12 1998 >From kflint Mon Feb 2 20:30:18 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0xzZzy-0004Bt-00; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 20:30:14 -0800 From: Marzzz@aol.com Message-ID: <76854fa9.34d69abb@aol.com> Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 23:19:05 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Location Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 84 Resent-Message-ID: <"j1foJC.A.NTD.lwp10"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2739 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 20:30:14 -0800 X-UIDL: 4424c6e63e536c4168532662588272e7 Chicago. Deep in the heart of Les Paul into a Marshall stack classic rock territory..... From ???@??? Tue Feb 03 00:15:11 1998 >From kflint Mon Feb 2 20:28:53 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0xzZyc-0003zX-00; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 20:28:50 -0800 From: "Randy Jones" To: Subject: Re: RE:Fernandes guy at NAMM Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 22:22:13 -0600 Message-ID: <01bd305b$4d503060$b43163d1@user.texas.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"Q8CTXD.A.7KD.tvp10"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2738 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 20:28:50 -0800 X-UIDL: b6046cf540ecaddaaa7d1d8243d7e749 Uh Kim, Loop textures? That ain't ambient now is it? Randy Jones -----Original Message----- From: Kim Flint To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Monday, February 02, 1998 9:00 PM Subject: RE: RE:Fernandes guy at NAMM >At 05:56 PM 2/2/98 -0600, Ott, John wrote: > >> What do you sustainer owners think of the pickup >> sound on sustainer equipped guitars? >> >> So far reports I have heard say the sound is degraded. > >I think they sound like crap for anything other than the sustainer. I see my >fernandes as a one trick pony, which I mostly only use with lots of >distortion and processing. Come to think of it, I can't even remember having >it out of the case in the last year..... > >They are killer for loop textures, though. You absolutely have to have a >whammy and some real time effects and filter control to make it interesting. >Turns a guitar into more of an oscillator (as in an analog synth), with an >interesting waveform that has lots of possiblities for sonic manipulation. > >Lots of overdubs of one note with ever so slight whammy tweaking, for those >completely evil dissonances.... YES! > >kim >_______________________________________________________ >Kim Flint 408-752-9284 >Mpact Systems Engineering kflint@chromatic.com >Chromatic Research http://www.chromatic.com > > > From ???@??? Tue Feb 03 00:15:15 1998 >From kflint Mon Feb 2 21:08:28 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0xzaaw-0007FY-00; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 21:08:26 -0800 From: KILLINFO@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 00:04:59 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Re: Re: Location. Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 59 Resent-Message-ID: <"AE9D8D.A.TgG.fWq10"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2740 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 21:08:26 -0800 X-UIDL: 458be326fdca105e475d952e78a261b1 In a message dated 2/2/98 1:32:32 PM, you wrote: >This is exactly the point of the "Loopers of the World" section of the >Looper's Delight website. It contains profiles of people from all over the >world, with descriptions of their styles, background, contact info, gear, etc. > > >At this time, we are automating this section so it will be easy for people >to add and modify their profiles... Ah! I keep forgetting...not that it matters much...but nearly a year ago I moved from sunny SoCal to rainy Oregon...and I've much to change in my profile on the Loop-D page. Please post details as soon as it becomes possible to make such changes. Thanks Ted Killian From ???@??? Tue Feb 03 00:15:17 1998 >From kflint Mon Feb 2 21:34:56 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0xzb0Y-0002Dy-00; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 21:34:54 -0800 From: Fmplautus@aol.com Message-ID: <5f14d641.34d6aa82@aol.com> Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 00:26:22 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: RE: RE:Fernandes guy at NAMM Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 78 Resent-Message-ID: <"thoYu.A.sTB.Gsq10"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2742 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 21:34:54 -0800 X-UIDL: 57cd364ece7bbd195d81b9cdca65ab58 Hi Kim: Thanks for the sustainer report. You mentioned ocsillators. Have you gotten your hands on the Boss bass synthesis pedal that came out a while back and turns the bottom four strings of a guitar into something analogue synth like? If you have, how does this compare to the Sustainer? Best, The LoOpDoctOrs From ???@??? Tue Feb 03 00:15:16 1998 >From kflint Mon Feb 2 21:27:46 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0xzatc-0001Gy-00; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 21:27:44 -0800 Message-ID: <34D6ACB0.A2849438@mailbox.syr.edu> Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 00:35:44 -0500 From: mark sottilaro Reply-To: msottila@mailbox.syr.edu Organization: metaliminal X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Different EBows was Re: Another NAMM Report X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <001c01bd2d97$2da45d20$2222dacf@stepheng> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"QGNstD.A.oy.8nq10"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2741 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 21:27:44 -0800 X-UIDL: b87392abda57ffb3b8eac5ea63d83fd6 Hey all, I use a standard ebow with a bass all the time. It's a bit trickier, but if you learn how to hold it just right, it works out fine. Mark. From ???@??? Tue Feb 03 00:15:18 1998 >From kflint Mon Feb 2 21:36:38 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0xzb2B-0002R5-00; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 21:36:35 -0800 Message-ID: <34D6AE57.F9EB1B84@mailbox.syr.edu> Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 00:42:47 -0500 From: mark sottilaro Reply-To: msottila@mailbox.syr.edu Organization: metaliminal X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: How do it know? X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"BzsZYD.A.zoB.nuq10"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2743 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 21:36:35 -0800 X-UIDL: 80b8f1c85846b7af154755a580f5634f As is the case with a thermos that keeps hot things hot and cold things cold, if the ebow is oscillating an octave up from the harmonic of the string, how do it know? How do it know? I think something different is going on here, and like the formula for Lava Lamps and T25 (Scope ingredient) it will remain a secret until someone rats it out. Mark From ???@??? Tue Feb 03 00:15:22 1998 >From kflint Mon Feb 2 22:12:03 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0xzbaS-0005HK-00; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 22:12:00 -0800 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19980203060756.00a55664@pop.chromatic.com> X-Sender: kflint@pop.chromatic.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 22:07:56 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: How do it know? Resent-Message-ID: <"CaZ47.A.5mE.6Rr10"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2744 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 22:12:00 -0800 X-UIDL: 06677890487bd41ad0e9b98e184096a9 At 12:42 AM 2/3/98 -0500, mark sottilaro wrote: >As is the case with a thermos that keeps hot things hot and cold things cold, >if the ebow is oscillating an octave up from the harmonic of the string, how >do it know? How do it know? nothing magic, I suspect. Just good old analog. It would either be a simple frequency multiplier or a fixed high pass filter, I would guess. With the fernandez I suspect high pass, since it does tend to behave a little different with high vs low pitches. sorry if that spoils it for you.....there's no tooth fairy either. kim _______________________________________________________ Kim Flint 408-752-9284 Mpact Systems Engineering kflint@chromatic.com Chromatic Research http://www.chromatic.com From ???@??? Tue Feb 03 00:15:24 1998 >From kflint Mon Feb 2 22:35:42 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0xzbxL-0007JI-00; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 22:35:39 -0800 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19980203063117.00a00040@pop.chromatic.com> X-Sender: kflint@pop.chromatic.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 22:31:17 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: RE: RE:Fernandes guy at NAMM Resent-Message-ID: <"tzEXgC.A.DgG.4nr10"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2745 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 22:35:39 -0800 X-UIDL: 4a50491e7f65b23dc52c2f8f88551857 never got it or played it or even thought much about it. Probably if I wanted something really analog synth-like, I would actually first think to use an analog synth before trying to make a guitar sound like one. I'm funny that way. What I was talking about is that "guitar string waveform" is usually not an option on yer regular waveform selector knob. Now if I actually possessed an analog synth, or was possessed by one, it would probably occur to me shortly after the possibilities for triangles became a bit barren that using a "guitar string waveform" in place of the oscillator section might be pretty damn cool. Lots of nifty harmonics in those strings. And if I did do that, it would next occur to me that using a sustaining device on the guitar string to take away the remarkably predictable guitar string envelope would be darned handy, allowing me to replace it with the good ol' ADSR. Add some LFO's, some filters, and some weird effects, loop it up, and as the kids say, it would be wikked..... kim At 12:26 AM 2/3/98 EST, Fmplautus@aol.com wrote: >Hi Kim: > >Thanks for the sustainer report. You mentioned ocsillators. Have you gotten >your hands on the Boss bass synthesis pedal that came out a while back and >turns the bottom four strings of a guitar into something analogue synth like? >If you have, how does this compare to the Sustainer? > >Best, >The LoOpDoctOrs > > > _______________________________________________________ Kim Flint 408-752-9284 Mpact Systems Engineering kflint@chromatic.com Chromatic Research http://www.chromatic.com From ???@??? Tue Feb 03 10:02:07 1998 >From kflint Tue Feb 3 03:37:43 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0xzgfd-0007bz-00; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 03:37:41 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 09:33:07 +0300 Message-ID: <0000A525.4007@poyry.com.br> From: miguel.barella@poyry.com.br (MAT) Subject: Re[2]: Location. To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, Fmplautus@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Resent-Message-ID: <"V4KRBD.A.b7G.8Dw10"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2749 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 03:37:41 -0800 X-UIDL: d1f2ad2bed16ffef0f58f8dcba92641d Miguel Barella lives in Sao Paulo, Brazil. From ???@??? Tue Feb 03 00:15:25 1998 >From kflint Mon Feb 2 22:54:23 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0xzcFQ-00010Y-00; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 22:54:20 -0800 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19980203065005.00a2b354@pop.chromatic.com> X-Sender: kflint@pop.chromatic.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 22:50:05 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: RE:Fernandes guy at NAMM Resent-Message-ID: <"ZksySB.A.kh.a5r10"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2746 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 22:54:20 -0800 X-UIDL: f645c7ad3683dda1e44fde564af6d539 At 10:22 PM 2/2/98 -0600, you wrote: >Uh Kim, > >Loop textures? That ain't ambient now is it? > gosh darn it, see what I mean? Now there are laws saying you can't loop sound textures anywhere except ambient music. Those ambient musicians are crafty! They lull everyone into a trance and before you know it they've taken over the government! Regulating everyone! Hypnotizing us with subliminal messages buried in reverb tails and noise fragments! It's a conspiracy I tell you! first it's textures, what's next? volume swells? reverb? Resist before it's too late! If we don't stop them now we'll all be ambient or playing in Garth Brooks cover bands! :-) kim _______________________________________________________ Kim Flint 408-752-9284 Mpact Systems Engineering kflint@chromatic.com Chromatic Research http://www.chromatic.com From ???@??? Tue Feb 03 00:14:19 1998 >From kflint Mon Feb 2 14:10:42 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0xzU4R-0003ux-00; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 14:10:27 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19980202233635.1a6721b2@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> X-Sender: pycraft@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (16) Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 23:36:35 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: "Michael P. Hughes, Ph.D." Subject: Re: Re: Fernandes Sustainer In-Reply-To: <980202113640_372078400@mrin53> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"8RXSyD.A.QBC.LFk10"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2718 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 14:10:28 -0800 X-UIDL: 7f991c495874c1bd245e4a6f05f66cff >><<>1) Is the Fernandes or any other sustainer available as a retro-fit? >>Yes, but Fernandez charge a wallet-smasking 272UK for it ($400)!!!>> >Interesting...I asked the guy at the Fernandes NAMM booth about retro-fits >and he said absolutely not, too complicated getting the thing set up >correctly and since it interacts with the bridge pickup, they couldn't >guarentee that it would work well with all other pickups. I've seen the kit, in a box, and it includes both the driver and the sensor (neck s/c and bridge h/b respectively). There's a used Fer. Sust. -equipped quitar for sale in a shop in Glasgow that has a replacement Seymour at the bridge, so it's not as if the system requires a particular unit... Michael From ???@??? Tue Feb 03 01:37:42 1998 >From kflint Tue Feb 3 01:24:48 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0xzeaz-0002D8-00; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 01:24:45 -0800 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 01:22:12 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Simm sound Resent-Message-ID: <"rNs6YD.A.zwB._Gu10"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2747 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 01:24:45 -0800 X-UIDL: 2ea770b0be9219d4a3f1ebf9c9a0269d At 1:22 PM -0500 2/2/98, Fmplautus@aol.com wrote: >Kim wrote... > >"gee, musicians are actually dumb enough to believe that their sound >will be affected by the simms they use! Let's unload these expensive ones >that nobody else will buy." > >The LoOpDoctORs can here the difference between different batches of SIMMS in >both the Echoplex and the Jammen. We've come to prefer the Vintage Malaysian >Simms from 1994...buttery mids and clear, warm highs, kind of like taking a >dip in a waterfall on the road to Mandalay. And we turned Eric Johnson onto >the Duracels you know. I've got some vintage 256k simms from the late 80's. Warmth and tone like you won't believe. These puppies will really make your echoplex sing! Highest bidder by next thursday gets 'em, you pay shipping. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Tue Feb 03 10:03:10 1998 >From kflint Tue Feb 3 08:52:08 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0xzlZt-00066z-00; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 08:52:05 -0800 Message-Id: <199802031630.IAA24344@scv2.apple.com> Subject: Re: Mixer recommendations Date: Tue, 3 Feb 98 10:30:44 -0000 x-sender: hartne.t@mail.apple.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: "T.W. Hartnett" To: "Looper's Delight" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <"b5IXN.A.gRE.7h010"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2768 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 08:52:05 -0800 X-UIDL: effb174098ee477049f1d7ca9308a7bd > >Speaking of mixers, anybody have any experience with Samson? They have a >couple of reasonably priced stereo powered mixers. Any idea how they sound? > I've been using the Mixpad 9 for live recording and mixing my looping rig, and have no complaints. Travis Hartnett From ???@??? Tue Feb 03 10:03:13 1998 >From kflint Tue Feb 3 08:57:45 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0xzlfG-0006t3-00; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 08:57:38 -0800 Message-Id: <199802031635.IAA28224@scv4.apple.com> Subject: Re: RE: RE:Fernandes guy at NAMM Date: Tue, 3 Feb 98 10:36:08 -0000 x-sender: hartne.t@mail.apple.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: "T.W. Hartnett" To: "Looper's Delight" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <"n3bnqC.A.OOF.-o010"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2769 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 08:57:38 -0800 X-UIDL: 9e2afde5684458f887ec3baf1f502ae4 >What I was talking about is that "guitar string waveform" is usually not an >option on yer regular waveform selector knob. Now if I actually possessed an >analog synth, or was possessed by one, it would probably occur to me shortly >after the possibilities for triangles became a bit barren that using a >"guitar string waveform" in place of the oscillator section might be pretty >damn cool. Lots of nifty harmonics in those strings. And if I did do that, >it would next occur to me that using a sustaining device on the guitar >string to take away the remarkably predictable guitar string envelope would >be darned handy, allowing me to replace it with the good ol' ADSR. Add some >LFO's, some filters, and some weird effects, loop it up, and as the kids >say, it would be wikked..... I use to fantasize about a piano-type instrument which would use guitar/bass strings, and which had a an E-bow type device on each string, the intensity of which could be controlled by aftertouch pressure, or preset. All the typical guitar processing could be applied, the output split in several different ways, etc, etc. Travis From ???@??? Tue Feb 03 10:03:08 1998 >From kflint Tue Feb 3 08:48:41 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0xzlWT-0005eH-00; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 08:48:33 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 14:13:09 +0300 Message-ID: <0000A568.4007@poyry.com.br> From: miguel.barella@poyry.com.br (MAT) Subject: Re[2]: Simm sound To: , "Peter Thompson" Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Resent-Message-ID: <"G_LEc.A.UlD.1c010"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2767 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 08:48:33 -0800 X-UIDL: 580948a041b92094337271465f850cb0 IBM 11/30 style ferrite memory will also do! Miguel ___________________________ Separador de Resposta ______________________________ Assunto: Re: Simm sound Autor: "Peter Thompson" na internet Data: 03/02/1998 16:01 > Wanna talk vintage?? > >I have a 64 bit tube RAM. This beauty, circa 1954, still works >and I have easily retro-fitted its cable to a simm socket. >You wouldn't beleive it but to hear it, but the 44 millisecond >access time actually works well to provide just the right high >frequency roll-off in the digital domain to supress quantization >and nyquist noise. The power supply is a bitch, though. > >I've been searching surplus dealers and swap-meets to find more >of these to increase my storage. > > - Floyd > > I, of course, still use punched cards for my looping. OK, the bandwidth sucks and it's a pain if you drop them, but the vintage authenticity makes grown men weep. Pete __________________________________________ Peter Thompson pt205@hermes.cam.ac.uk Wolfson College Cambridge CB3 9BB "I take another brief dip in the indifference of fools." - Bill Nelson From ???@??? Tue Feb 03 10:02:08 1998 >From kflint Tue Feb 3 04:34:47 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0xzhYs-0001yN-00; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 04:34:46 -0800 From: Texture444@aol.com Message-ID: <274c38d6.34d70e61@aol.com> Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 07:32:31 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Re: Re: Re: Different EBows Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 84 Resent-Message-ID: <"2gezxD.A.GqB.j5w10"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2750 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 04:34:46 -0800 X-UIDL: c86fa575cb2dcbc21ea1daa0f95d6686 In a message dated 2/2/98 11:35:20 PM, paolo wrote: <> well..... no, this polyphonic ebow thang wasn't my idea, at all; i just happened to be in the right place @ the right time, and, as it happened, i was already frustrated by a coupla years worth of fruitless phone conversations w/michael brook. re: what i said in that article in '87: i think i'd better find & read that piece, ta see what the hell i was talking about! i think i have a clue, though, and i think it involved looping. best, dt From ???@??? Tue Feb 03 17:34:29 1998 >From kflint Tue Feb 3 10:22:54 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0xzmzf-0002GN-00; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 10:22:47 -0800 Message-ID: <34D718AD.40B4@nyfac.com> Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 13:16:29 +0000 From: tbajus Reply-To: nyfac2@nyfac.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Simm sound References: <0000A568.4007@poyry.com.br> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"8utm0D.A.sp.72110"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2779 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 10:22:47 -0800 X-UIDL: ff34039e22c292df24e97c55afca7377 I only use pre-CBS american made tube ram. Dude. Trevor B From ???@??? Tue Feb 03 17:34:57 1998 >From kflint Tue Feb 3 11:40:48 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0xzoD0-0003oy-00; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 11:40:38 -0800 Message-ID: <34D71977.2482@nyfac.com> Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 13:19:51 +0000 From: tbajus Reply-To: nyfac2@nyfac.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Simm sound References: <199802031626.LAA01480@cliff.concentric.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"FqbICC.A._4C.ZF310"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2784 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 11:40:38 -0800 X-UIDL: bf8c828474a96736548109d2e517b1da > >>Kim wrote... > >> > >>"gee, musicians are actually dumb enough to believe that their sound > >>will be affected by the simms they use! Let's unload these expensive ones > >>that nobody else will buy." > >> 'Course, if the ram doesn't work, that would effect the sound.... TDB From ???@??? Tue Feb 03 10:02:14 1998 >From kflint Tue Feb 3 05:42:01 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0xzibw-00051c-00; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 05:42:00 -0800 Message-Id: <199802031339.IAA14659@shell.monmouth.com> Reply-To: From: "andre" To: Subject: ADA power amps Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 08:39:24 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"_RcJlC.A.1eE.Y4x10"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2751 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 05:42:00 -0800 X-UIDL: eb15cb324487d2f530e8bf1704c29164 hey. does anyone have an opinion on the ADA single space - rack power amp??? i love my ADA MP-1 , almost a decade of solid tone carving from that, a workhorse.. how is the power amp?? i know it's stereo, can you run 2 discrete signals? is it nice, clean, punchy and loud?? any 'feedback ' will be appreciated. andre' From ???@??? Tue Feb 03 10:02:17 1998 >From kflint Tue Feb 3 06:05:22 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0xziyX-0006R1-00; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 06:05:21 -0800 Message-Id: <199802031402.JAA22658@shell.monmouth.com> Reply-To: From: "andre" To: Subject: Re: What / who is on the forefront of looping music? Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 09:02:34 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"51j4vC.A.IyF.HOy10"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2752 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 06:05:21 -0800 X-UIDL: c36b36fa2b269c661d241ccdea2dbcba > So, in that context, David Myers' complaints that Fripp's "new" > soundscapes aren't all that new, nor are they really "moving forward" > the greater looping "oeuvre" are quite valid. > > Granted, that may not be Fripp's Aim. ..whatever... i agree - it's some of fripp's most..... non exciting stuff. but , yes, i respect the fact - that was what he was going for.. but on the 2 soundsscape CDs i have , plus the G3 show, it never seemed to take off, beyond simplistic, basic synth patches thru cool stereo FX. not as adventurous as he usually is, by far! andre' From ???@??? Tue Feb 03 10:02:20 1998 >From kflint Tue Feb 3 06:14:04 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0xzj6w-00077e-00; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 06:14:02 -0800 Message-ID: <000e01bd30ad$9d842300$70da6f83@pt205.wolfson.cam.ac.uk> From: "Peter Thompson" To: Subject: Re: What / who is on the forefront of looping music? Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 14:11:24 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"LJTNUB.A.acG.WWy10"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2753 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 06:14:02 -0800 X-UIDL: b1bd8c8a5e3c91ea4ebd75d654d3f48c >..whatever... i agree - it's some of fripp's most..... non exciting stuff. >but , yes, i respect the fact - that was what he was going for.. but on the >2 soundsscape CDs i have , plus the G3 show, it never seemed to take off, >beyond simplistic, basic synth patches thru cool stereo FX. not as >adventurous as he usually is, by far! > >andre' > > This is a good point. Fripp does rely too much on synth patches. Now that can sometimes work very effectively such as on A Blessing of Tears, but more often than not it just gets cloying. I would like to see him use the natural sound of the guitar more - essentially i would like him to sound like a guitarist, rather than a keyboard player. Pete From ???@??? Tue Feb 03 10:02:22 1998 >From kflint Tue Feb 3 06:28:56 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0xzjLK-0000Qp-00; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 06:28:54 -0800 Message-Id: <98Feb3.092354est.18840@thicket.arbortext.com> Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 09:20:52 -0500 From: David White Reply-To: dwhite@arbortext.com Organization: Arbortext Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Fernandes guy at NAMM References: <2.2.32.19980203065005.00a2b354@pop.chromatic.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"ewUGL.A.gI.Jky10"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2754 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 06:28:54 -0800 X-UIDL: 137bb9bfdc4d216109d41c9342d7d2c1 I tried starting an Ambient Garth Brooks cover band over a year ago. No one would where the hat. (hat...cover...thinkaboutit) dave Kim Flint wrote: > At 10:22 PM 2/2/98 -0600, you wrote: > >Uh Kim, > > > >Loop textures? That ain't ambient now is it? > > > > gosh darn it, see what I mean? Now there are laws saying you can't loop > sound textures anywhere except ambient music. Those ambient musicians are > crafty! They lull everyone into a trance and before you know it they've > taken over the government! Regulating everyone! Hypnotizing us with > subliminal messages buried in reverb tails and noise fragments! It's a > conspiracy I tell you! first it's textures, what's next? volume swells? > reverb? Resist before it's too late! If we don't stop them now we'll all be > ambient or playing in Garth Brooks cover bands! > > :-) > kim > _______________________________________________________ > Kim Flint 408-752-9284 > Mpact Systems Engineering kflint@chromatic.com > Chromatic Research http://www.chromatic.com From ???@??? Tue Feb 03 10:02:24 1998 >From kflint Tue Feb 3 06:35:46 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0xzjRw-00016j-00; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 06:35:44 -0800 Message-ID: <02a701bd30b0$dabae260$c2b854ce@mark.asisoftware.com> From: Mark@asisoftware.com (Mark Kata) To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: Fw: ADA power amps Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 09:34:37 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"gN5GyD.A.7t.Oqy10"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2755 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 06:35:44 -0800 X-UIDL: ebeb2d67216172894ba17b737d946585 I remember reading a review of an ADA single space 100-watt power amp with a couple of 12AX7 tubes in Guitar Player a few years ago. They said it sounded a little thin. You might want to check GP's website, they may be able to direct you to the article. Also, Harmony-Central.com may have a review of it. In any case, take the reviews with a grain of salt. Especially since GP is so tube and retro oriented. Mark Kata Mark@asisoftware.com -----Original Message----- From: andre To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Tuesday, February 03, 1998 8:41 AM Subject: ADA power amps >hey. > >does anyone have an opinion on the ADA single space - rack power amp??? >i love my ADA MP-1 , almost a decade of solid tone carving from that, a >workhorse.. > >how is the power amp?? i know it's stereo, can you run 2 discrete signals? >is it nice, clean, punchy and loud?? > >any 'feedback ' will be appreciated. > >andre' > From ???@??? Tue Feb 03 10:02:26 1998 >From kflint Tue Feb 3 06:42:38 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0xzjYb-0001ls-00; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 06:42:37 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.19980203094126.0070918c@dharma.mitre.org> X-Sender: seligman@dharma.mitre.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 09:41:26 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Len Seligman Subject: Mixer recommendations In-Reply-To: <199802022114.OAA02379@hyper.dimensional.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"nZIBN.A.5XB.2wy10"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2756 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 06:42:37 -0800 X-UIDL: e622bd1837625bd64abba2a26e53ae45 Speaking of mixers, anybody have any experience with Samson? They have a couple of reasonably priced stereo powered mixers. Any idea how they sound? Thanks, Len Silver Spring, Maryland guitar, vocals, body percussion, loops... From ???@??? Tue Feb 03 10:02:37 1998 >From kflint Tue Feb 3 07:30:17 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0xzkIg-0005Hb-00; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 07:30:14 -0800 Date: 3 Feb 1998 15:26:48 -0000 Message-ID: <19980203152648.22198.qmail@omni1.voicenet.com> From: floyd@voicenet.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Simm sound Resent-Message-ID: <"wHCjqC.A.eoE.Ydz10"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2758 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 07:30:14 -0800 X-UIDL: 42c60e5976df1cc10bb63ed0ce2beb99 > > > >The LoOpDoctORs can here the difference between different batches of SIMMS in > >both the Echoplex and the Jammen. We've come to prefer the Vintage Malaysian > >Simms from 1994...buttery mids and clear, warm highs, kind of like taking a > >dip in a waterfall on the road to Mandalay. And we turned Eric Johnson onto > >the Duracels you know. > > I've got some vintage 256k simms from the late 80's. Warmth and tone like > you won't believe. These puppies will really make your echoplex sing! > Highest bidder by next thursday gets 'em, you pay shipping. > > kim > Wanna talk vintage?? I have a 64 bit tube RAM. This beauty, circa 1954, still works and I have easily retro-fitted its cable to a simm socket. You wouldn't beleive it but to hear it, but the 44 millisecond access time actually works well to provide just the right high frequency roll-off in the digital domain to supress quantization and nyquist noise. The power supply is a bitch, though. I've been searching surplus dealers and swap-meets to find more of these to increase my storage. - Floyd From ???@??? Tue Feb 03 10:02:40 1998 >From kflint Tue Feb 3 07:42:01 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0xzkU4-0006H4-00; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 07:42:00 -0800 From: Emmanuel Angel Message-Id: <199802031538.KAA00318@dolphin.upenn.edu> Subject: Lexicon Vortex for Sale To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 10:38:58 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23-upenn3.1] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Jg-zMB.A.5kF.Yoz10"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2759 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 07:42:00 -0800 X-UIDL: 7f0292737810526b0689a2bba025b6fb For sale: 1 Lexicon Vortex Condition: Brand New!!! in Sealed Factory Box --- Never Opened!!! Warranty: Registration card in box Asking Price: $290.00 Contact: angel2@dolphin.upenn.edu Shipping: UPS COD to your door for cash or certified bank check As many of you know, this amazing processor sounds incredibly warm, with a host of delay, modulation, and other effects. Envelope control of many parameters. Highly programmable, with the ability to morph between sounds. Stereo in's and out's. Input for pedal control of audio morphing. Standard rack mount. E. Angel From ???@??? Tue Feb 03 10:03:27 1998 >From kflint Tue Feb 3 09:16:24 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0xzlxH-0001ZN-00; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 09:16:15 -0800 Message-ID: <000601bd30ba$c079cce0$70da6f83@pt205.wolfson.cam.ac.uk> From: "Peter Thompson" To: Subject: Bitchery vs. Fair Comment Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 15:45:27 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"HxBz2B.A.6q.S9010"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2771 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 09:16:15 -0800 X-UIDL: 4d3c86ac0391e31b4caaca4e7999abd2 As the co-accused in the Goodman Bitch Trials I would merely like to say the following: I don't see how my comment can be considered as bitching. I simple wished to amplify Andre's point about Fripps use of patches. I neither commented on nor do I agree with any of the points that he made about Fripp being exciting. Nor do I agree with the previous comments about Fripp being the 'bottom line'. I have no doubt Fripp adores what he is doing - I have a lot of time for his music. I have no desire at all for him to be 'exciting' if the definition of that word includes sounding like Satriani. Restraint is a highly underrated virtue, one that some posters to LD might like to consider. If we are going to have Mr Goodman jump down our throats every time we express an opinion, however anodyne, then perhaps we better all just stick to talking about SIMMs and mixers and stuff. Pete -----Original Message----- From: Stephen P. Goodman To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: 03 February 1998 14:45 Subject: Frippery vs. Bitchery >You know, at no point in this strangely looping discussion has anyone talked >about the idea that - wonder of wonders! - perhaps RF LIKES what he's doing >right now...! > >I believe we've all been there, hm? But if you're looking for blazingly >fast technique guitar, go listen to one of the fellows from the G3 tour. >Amongst the things I get out of listening to music (and yes! Fripp's work >too), "being impressed" is not high on my list of expectations before the >performance. > >Just listen to it, and if you don't like it, listen to something else. I >just think this bitching about his work is pointless unless someone can come >up with an alternative guitarist/style/etc that one likes Better. Or >perhaps it's your own work you like better, just say so. > >Who ever said it was supposed to be exciting ALL the time anyway? Or did >yez think it was a marketing ploy when Fripp said (back in the early 80s, >pre-KC2) that at times he made an effort to be as boring as humanly >possible? > >I'd have kept my keyboard untouched on this one, if it had not denigrated >into this whiningly annoying bit. It smacks a bit of the Satriani-heads who >were also disappointed in Soundscape works. Oh brother, whatta buncha >consumers THEY are. :) > >Stephen Goodman * It's... The Loop Of The Week! >EarthLight Studios * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios > >>>..whatever... i agree - it's some of fripp's most..... non exciting stuff. >>>but , yes, i respect the fact - that was what he was going for.. but on >the >>>2 soundsscape CDs i have , plus the G3 show, it never seemed to take off, >>>beyond simplistic, basic synth patches thru cool stereo FX. not as >>>adventurous as he usually is, by far! >>> >>>andre' >>> >>> >> >>This is a good point. Fripp does rely too much on synth patches. Now that >>can sometimes work very effectively such as on A Blessing of Tears, but >more >>often than not it just gets cloying. I would like to see him use the >>natural sound of the guitar more - essentially i would like him to sound >>like a guitarist, rather than a keyboard player. >> >>Pete >> >> >> > > > From ???@??? Tue Feb 03 10:02:50 1998 >From kflint Tue Feb 3 08:05:56 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0xzkrA-0000OO-00; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 08:05:52 -0800 Message-ID: <000401bd30bd$0bed5fa0$70da6f83@pt205.wolfson.cam.ac.uk> From: "Peter Thompson" To: Subject: Re: Simm sound Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 16:01:53 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"Ew9YbB.A.HB.q-z10"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2760 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 08:05:52 -0800 X-UIDL: cab2b7ee48e076d2ad6bc8bd11f2f587 > Wanna talk vintage?? > >I have a 64 bit tube RAM. This beauty, circa 1954, still works >and I have easily retro-fitted its cable to a simm socket. >You wouldn't beleive it but to hear it, but the 44 millisecond >access time actually works well to provide just the right high >frequency roll-off in the digital domain to supress quantization >and nyquist noise. The power supply is a bitch, though. > >I've been searching surplus dealers and swap-meets to find more >of these to increase my storage. > > - Floyd > > I, of course, still use punched cards for my looping. OK, the bandwidth sucks and it's a pain if you drop them, but the vintage authenticity makes grown men weep. Pete __________________________________________ Peter Thompson pt205@hermes.cam.ac.uk Wolfson College Cambridge CB3 9BB "I take another brief dip in the indifference of fools." - Bill Nelson From ???@??? Tue Feb 03 10:03:03 1998 >From kflint Tue Feb 3 08:35:05 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0xzlJI-0003nv-00; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 08:34:56 -0800 Message-Id: <215C1D5A0FFDD011B3CC00805FC18C291F6B9F@NTSRV2.LEXICON.COM> From: "Hogan, Greg (Exchange)" To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: vortex woes Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 11:19:25 -0500 X-Priority: 3 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"ImAKd.A.IPC.1S010"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2764 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 08:34:56 -0800 X-UIDL: 3e4a5daa2bee2cfdcd7e202108c338a9 Dear Sean, I have been able to duplicate this. I am making our product management people aware of this. I doubt that there will be any action on this. Please let me know if you have any questions or if there is anything that I can do for you. Best regards, Greg Hogan Lexicon Customer Service Phone +781-280-0372 FAX +781-280-0499 > ---------- > From: buzzard@world.std.com[SMTP:buzzard@world.std.com] > Reply To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Sent: Monday, February 02, 1998 5:35 PM > To: GHogan@lexicon.com > Subject: vortex woes > > VORTEX SPECIFIC! > > This is not the loop email you're looking for. > Move along. > > Greg Hogan wrote: > >It seems like your machine is confused. Try resetting it as > >follows:Warning! This will erase user registers and replace them with > >the presets. > > Thanks, Greg. It was worth a shot. Actually, > before I did this, I did a little further investigation > than before, and found that things were not as > bad as I had thought. Whereas I had thought > that all A->B copies were bad (based on 2 out > of 2 samples), further investigation showed > that it seems to be limited to certain patches. > > Resetting it did not, however, fix the problem. > > If someone else with a Vortex wants to check if > this is a general Vortex bug, not specific to > my machine, that would be cool. (Either one > seems plausible at the moment.) > > The most consistent behavior is as follows: > Turn the volume down on whatever the Vortex is feeding > Copy PRESET 14A to register 14B (you'll destroy your > 14B... you could try a different register of course, > but it _seems_ like it has to be to a B register) > Turn the knob away and back to 14 (leaving B selected). > > At least nine times out of ten that produces > continuous high-volume noise (self-oscillation?) > on my Vortex. > > Sean Barrett > From ???@??? Tue Feb 03 10:03:06 1998 >From kflint Tue Feb 3 08:41:59 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0xzlPt-0004je-00; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 08:41:46 -0800 Message-Id: <98Feb3.112549est.18829@thicket.arbortext.com> Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 11:22:49 -0500 From: David White Reply-To: dwhite@arbortext.com Organization: Arbortext Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Simm sound References: <000401bd30bd$0bed5fa0$70da6f83@pt205.wolfson.cam.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"0HjZSD.A.dzC.oW010"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2766 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 08:41:46 -0800 X-UIDL: 46e89140ccfff5f84dcc659101fa0a87 Last year I had to stop using stone tablets for my processing. I developed a severe case of carpal tunnel syndrome trying to get the loop ends to match. Dave Peter Thompson wrote: > I, of course, still use punched cards for my looping. OK, the bandwidth > sucks and it's a pain if you drop them, but the vintage authenticity makes > grown men weep. > > Pete > __________________________________________ > Peter Thompson pt205@hermes.cam.ac.uk > Wolfson College > Cambridge CB3 9BB > > "I take another brief dip in the indifference of fools." > - Bill Nelson From ???@??? Tue Feb 03 10:03:05 1998 >From kflint Tue Feb 3 08:39:22 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0xzlNT-0004OP-00; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 08:39:15 -0800 Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 11:26:54 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199802031626.LAA01480@cliff.concentric.net> X-Sender: hideo@pop3.concentric.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tom Lambrecht Subject: Re: Simm sound Resent-Message-ID: <"mr6W4D.A.-oC.eV010"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2765 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 08:39:15 -0800 X-UIDL: 374ac16ed40d0209ba014d6fda49a166 As usual, you guys ARE the cognoscenti--YOU KNOW . . . but hey, I'll share this little windfall with people like you who like the FINER things . . . got just a few of these babies--ZIPs only, for Jammies. Give a listen, tell me what they're worth. Came from this little, wizened Japanese who burned RAW silicon in a run-down storefront off the electronics district in Kyoto, doped the Si with something special, Kryptonite, maybe, I don't know--anyway, think he's dead now . . . crossed the Yakuza on some SPECIAL software--don't matter, anyway . . . you know how with some chips you can tell whether the guy was playing a Prophet or playing a Yamaha emulating a Prophet . . . WELL . . .with these chips you can tell, what kind of cables he's running . . . his taste in mixers, and . . . what color shirt he's wearing entertaining offers Tom ;) At 01:22 AM 2/3/98 -0800, you wrote: >At 1:22 PM -0500 2/2/98, Fmplautus@aol.com wrote: >>Kim wrote... >> >>"gee, musicians are actually dumb enough to believe that their sound >>will be affected by the simms they use! Let's unload these expensive ones >>that nobody else will buy." >> >>The LoOpDoctORs can here the difference between different batches of SIMMS in >>both the Echoplex and the Jammen. We've come to prefer the Vintage Malaysian >>Simms from 1994...buttery mids and clear, warm highs, kind of like taking a >>dip in a waterfall on the road to Mandalay. And we turned Eric Johnson onto >>the Duracels you know. > >I've got some vintage 256k simms from the late 80's. Warmth and tone like >you won't believe. These puppies will really make your echoplex sing! >Highest bidder by next thursday gets 'em, you pay shipping. > >kim > >______________________________________________________________________ >Kim Flint | Looper's Delight >kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html >http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > > > > > Tom Lambrecht hideo@concentric.net From ???@??? Tue Feb 03 10:03:34 1998 >From kflint Tue Feb 3 09:41:36 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0xzmLl-0004ec-00; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 09:41:33 -0800 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <003701bd2e56$b48c4a40$c722dacf@stepheng> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 11:56:46 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: David Myers Subject: Re: Frippery vs. Bitchery Resent-Message-ID: <"AA0BwC.A.HeD.QU110"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2773 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 09:41:33 -0800 X-UIDL: 03dfcee1f8dc6972e7224aa18c1d945e >You know, at no point in this strangely looping discussion has anyone talked >about the idea that - wonder of wonders! - perhaps RF LIKES what he's doing >right now...! > >I believe we've all been there, hm? But if you're looking for blazingly >fast technique guitar, go listen to one of the fellows from the G3 tour. >Amongst the things I get out of listening to music (and yes! Fripp's work >too), "being impressed" is not high on my list of expectations before the >performance. > >Just listen to it, and if you don't like it, listen to something else. I >just think this bitching about his work is pointless unless someone can come >up with an alternative guitarist/style/etc that one likes Better. Or >perhaps it's your own work you like better, just say so. > >Who ever said it was supposed to be exciting ALL the time anyway? Or did >yez think it was a marketing ploy when Fripp said (back in the early 80s, >pre-KC2) that at times he made an effort to be as boring as humanly >possible? > >I'd have kept my keyboard untouched on this one, if it had not denigrated >into this whiningly annoying bit. It smacks a bit of the Satriani-heads who >were also disappointed in Soundscape works. Oh brother, whatta buncha >consumers THEY are. :) > >Stephen Goodman * It's... The Loop Of The Week! >EarthLight Studios * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios > I sure hope Robert likes what he's doing-most artists do, I assume. But as an artist, he produces product for consumption (don't get him started...) and I for one have put a few bucks in his pocket because I have really loved much of what he has done. If you saw my "desert island" loop list, you'll notice that Bob is mentioned twice. I'm not whining when I criticize some of his efforts- part of the function of art is to set up a dialog, don't you think? Would like to have seen the Guitar Trio. Couple months ago a sprang for a G3 CD, but when I put it on it was some kind of slick pop Mexican mariachi band music. Huh? Even the disc printing was correct. As far as speed guitar, I just pull out my beloved Mahavishnu records.... While I'm here, let me renew my plea for any unwanted copies of David Torn's "What Means Solid, Traveller?" David? Any discs sitting around the house? What a shame about CMP. David Myers _______________________________________________ "Bees are not as busy as we think they are. They just can't buzz any slower." -Kin Hubbard From ???@??? Tue Feb 03 10:03:17 1998 >From kflint Tue Feb 3 09:05:48 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0xzln8-0000DU-00; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 09:05:46 -0800 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199802021322.IAA14349@marconi.concentric.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 11:59:47 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: David Myers Subject: Re: Process vs. Theory- was, Who's on the forefront of loopmuse Resent-Message-ID: <"YQ00I.A.Q2G.p0010"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2770 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 09:05:46 -0800 X-UIDL: 72b3c03d75fa8911772271bf87de5d86 > Wow David... I'll bet you're in for a roast! > > I saw Fripp waaayyyy back at Madame Wongs on his first Frippertronics > tour (1976 or so?) when he was carting around a couple of Revoxes. > After an incredibly long wait outside, we were the treated to a long > lecture about audience responsibility and his particular rules about > tape recorders and cameras etc. I saw about 1/2 hour of that and left. > > He did more to spoil the magic of hearing his music than any flashbulb > might have. I truly was looking forward to seeing him, and went away > disturbed that the event was so entirely uncomfortable. Not in any > mind-stretching avante-garde way, but just physically and mentally > overbearing. > > In more recent Soundscapes concerts, as impressive as I think they > are, I've often wished he'd just let it rip, if only for a moment or > so. How about responsibility to your audience Robert? I'll meet you > half way. > > Now I've done it. I'll see you in hell David Myers! > -Miko It's a date, Miko. I'll bet the unclean one won't let Robert bring his rack. We'll be forced to listen to him do Q & A 24 hrs. a day.... From ???@??? Tue Feb 03 10:03:30 1998 >From kflint Tue Feb 3 09:25:08 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0xzm5k-0002jl-00; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 09:25:00 -0800 From: Fmplautus@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 12:20:05 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Re: Simm sound Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 78 Resent-Message-ID: <"1GlXg.A.48B.LH110"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2772 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 09:25:00 -0800 X-UIDL: fd64c8cff0fdc78c4774e7525e223b18 Kim baby... Anybody with ears knows that the mid-eighties 256 k seven pin simms were rejected by Leo Fender in the use of his "secret workshop" all tube, all analogue "digital" looper because of their screechy high end, and crummy sampling characteristics. However, the 1994 Malaysian simms were actually created due to an inspired vision that a Singaporian sound engineer had of a now be-halo'd and be-winged Leo Fender at a downtown newly opened McDonalds, where he the said engineer saw Leo dip the heavenly simm into a vat of McDonald's secret sauce, and then hold it up glowingly. Hence the LoOpDoctOrs price premium on their 94 Malaysian "greenface" simms. Best, the LoOpDoctOrs From ???@??? Tue Feb 03 10:03:37 1998 >From kflint Tue Feb 3 09:47:02 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0xzmR0-0005MX-00; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 09:46:58 -0800 From: Fmplautus@aol.com Message-ID: <752fe647.34d75499@aol.com> Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 12:32:06 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Simm sound one-upsmanship Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 78 Resent-Message-ID: <"MNrJR.A.uyD.0W110"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2774 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 09:46:58 -0800 X-UIDL: a8e518ed2b7b4a9cbde746e08f3b8264 Oh got, what a monster...let's kill it. Of many worthy candidates, stone tablet thing was the best and had the LoOpDoctORs doing toppled bowling pin imitations on the floor. Best, the LoOpDoctOrs From ???@??? Tue Feb 03 10:03:37 1998 >From kflint Tue Feb 3 09:46:56 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0xzmQt-0005Ld-00; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 09:46:51 -0800 From: MIvanBerk@aol.com Message-ID: <1a322a02.34d75573@aol.com> Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 12:35:45 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Bitchery vs. Fair Comment Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 57 Resent-Message-ID: <"CWZNoD.A.nzD.6W110"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2775 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 09:46:51 -0800 X-UIDL: 8dae11955fec3386cbc9f7abfde44138 I think I mentioned this a couple of weeks back, but I had the odd only-in-New York City experience of being bored by Fripp at the Bottom Line (most likely the same set David Myers witnessed) immediately after hearing an immensely exciting performance by looping violinist/LiSa manipulator Kaffe Matthews. But that's my personal bias. I felt that she was doing quite a bit more (so far as loopy density goes) with quite a bit less gear, but then again, what she was doing was far more compositionally oriented than what Fripp was doing. Matthews would generally improvise a theme, then begin to alter it via processing and resampling, move on to new figures, and resurrect old ones. Fripp's appeared to be less interested in dealing with the material he produced once it hit the Eventides and tc 2290s, doing his best to absent himself from the process to the point of walking offstage and letting the machines speak for themselves for a good amount of the performance. I found this tiring, and left immediately after the flashbulb incident. I must admit, however, that what did hold my interest about the performance was the audience's reception of Fripp than by anything he was doing. Those seated near me (at least the ones who didn't spend the evening competitively cataloguing their Crimson bootleg collections), seemed to find in the performance nothing but an affirmation of their solid belief in Fripp's virtuosity -- a performance that seemed (at least to me, and for better or for worse) completely uninterested in providing such evidence. Basically, yeah, he's boring -- and perhaps he means it. But does that make it better? By the way, if our David Myers is the one who's recorded lots of "multiprocessor feedback" as Arcane Device, he produces some interesting and unsettling loop music of his own and has every right to comment without possibility of damnation. -mike From ???@??? Tue Feb 03 10:03:41 1998 >From kflint Tue Feb 3 09:58:46 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0xzmcN-0006tS-00; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 09:58:43 -0800 From: Marzzz@aol.com Message-ID: <60621594.34d758d9@aol.com> Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 12:50:15 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, dmgraph@bway.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Re: Frippery vs. Bitchery Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 82 Resent-Message-ID: <"NOZG-C.A.L8F.Sn110"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2776 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 09:58:43 -0800 X-UIDL: 8fb0b922f0cfee15a97950648261f6cd In a message dated 2/3/98 11:39:41 AM, you wrote: >While I'm here, let me renew my plea for any unwanted copies of David >Torn's "What Means Solid, Traveller?" David? Any discs sitting around the >house? What a shame about CMP. Try Audiophile Imports at 410-628-7601 or http://www.cyboard.com/audiophile.html They might still have WMST? available..... Marshall From ???@??? Tue Feb 03 17:34:16 1998 >From kflint Tue Feb 3 10:06:35 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0xzmjt-00002x-00; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 10:06:29 -0800 Message-ID: From: David Kirkdorffer To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Who's on the forefront of loopmuse? Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 13:02:10 -0500 X-Priority: 1 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"Fr4mBB.A.2oG.is110"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2777 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 10:06:29 -0800 X-UIDL: f4a266fb0d5d0f8701e9cd4c62724774 I'll try this again, just to see if this gets picked up. *So, just for giggles, what / who is on the forefront of "looping-based music"?* I know this is somewhat an impossible question, but, maybe it's worth bashing around for a while. David Kirkdorffer From ???@??? Tue Feb 03 17:34:28 1998 >From kflint Tue Feb 3 10:19:08 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0xzmvv-0001kL-00; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 10:18:55 -0800 Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 13:07:35 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199802031807.NAA28739@shell.monmouth.com> X-Sender: andre@mail.monmouth.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: andre Subject: Re: Frippery vs. Bitchery Resent-Message-ID: <"_q6AMC.A.bT.d0110"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2778 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 10:18:55 -0800 X-UIDL: f99b1e5bd485353d4884384d2f6e2006 >Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 13:06:40 >To: "Stephen P. Goodman" >From: andre >Subject: Re: Frippery vs. Bitchery > >At 06:44 AM 1/31/98 -0800, you wrote: >>You know, at no point in this strangely looping discussion has anyone talked >>about the idea that - wonder of wonders! - perhaps RF LIKES what he's doing >>right now...! > > >wheeeew!! RELAX - no-one ever questioned whether RF likes wht hes doing, of course he does... altho, in the new 'nightwatch' notes - he seems unable to decide which is more torture, playing crim music, or waiting for it to be played... re-read my note (BELOW) - at the risk of sounding pompous, i thought i was quite respectful, and accepting of whatever he has to offer, just a comment. > >> >>I believe we've all been there, hm? But if you're looking for blazingly >>fast technique guitar, > >WOW!!! what a jump!!%%@?? !! No - just something that we all don't do while warming up our gear, reading a manual or something. There's a lot of leeway there. He's a nut, that's all. and i love him, but lets not play hero worship. > >go listen to one of the fellows from the G3 tour. > >who are all excellent, diverse players, despite silly generalizations > >> >>Who ever said it was supposed to be exciting ALL the time anyway? > >no-one did. but fripp's music usually is, to me. And i love all the ambient stuff - evening star, index, the exposure CD, League stuff, all of it. I just think that - though i enjoy the CDs of the last couple years (soundscapes) greatly, on stage - it's just a boring waste. I'm sorry to piss you off, really. i want this to be a loving list. > >Not to mention- we all missed 90% of his show because we dared to SHOW UP ON TIME and not an hour or more earlier, when the gates were opened at G3.. I only wish i had seen one of the shows where Mike Keneally jammed along w/ RF.. > >>into this whiningly annoying bit. It smacks a bit of the Satriani-heads who >>were also disappointed in Soundscape works. Oh brother, whatta buncha >>consumers THEY are. :) > >what's a "satriani-head"?? someone who can appreciate his very diverse music, and also love ambience and sparse use of notes?? because that's what i am. You're doing the exact thing you claim to despise... It's all music. Actually have you heard - "woodstock Jam" on Satch's Time machine CD, or anything from the "Joe Satriani" CD of last year??? I regularly play that for satch-haters - the first is an OUT jam with doug wimbush and simon phillips, the 2nd a very bluesy record with nathan east, etc. 100% of the time, guitarists cannot identify it - because they have put the guy in a box as a "shredder" and only a shredder. > > >for reference - below is my post....as well as pete's. to be honest - i don't even know if your ire was directed at me - but i had to go to bat for JS. Ironically, you seem to forget that he's a huge Crimson/Fripp fan, duh, that's why he got him on the tour... Fripp himself has said that he made more per show on G3 than a week of KC shows... so the "satch-heads" may have helped us ALL by financing some frippery... > >again - i am a fripp freak. i love basically all guitar music, i try to keep an open mind, even about stuff i'm not supposed to like... > >>>>..whatever... i agree - it's some of fripp's most..... non exciting stuff. >>>>but , yes, i respect the fact - that was what he was going for.. but on >>the >>>>2 soundsscape CDs i have , plus the G3 show, it never seemed to take off, >>>>beyond simplistic, basic synth patches thru cool stereo FX. not as >>>>adventurous as he usually is, by far! >>>> >>>>andre' >>>> >>>> >>> >>>This is a good point. Fripp does rely too much on synth patches. Now that >>>can sometimes work very effectively such as on A Blessing of Tears, but >>more >>>often than not it just gets cloying. I would like to see him use the >>>natural sound of the guitar more - essentially i would like him to sound >>>like a guitarist, rather than a keyboard player. >>> >>>Pete >> > From ???@??? 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Yamaha NS10 monitors - $225 Kawai K1 II midi keyboard - $230 wanted: DP2 fx Seller: David Silver, E-mail: internot@cdmweb.sfai.edu Post Date: 2/2/98 From ???@??? Tue Feb 03 17:34:31 1998 >From kflint Tue Feb 3 10:26:01 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0xzn2c-0002gZ-00; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 10:25:50 -0800 Message-ID: <01BD30A5.B77FB920@TD-300> From: jprice@intcpi.com (John Price) To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Bitchery vs. Fair Comment Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 13:14:47 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_NextPart_000_01BD30A5.B782ED70" Resent-Message-ID: <"w_f8uB.A.C2.T4110"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2780 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 10:25:51 -0800 X-UIDL: 242d8f3962ab174a4b9325a51b691d75 Im no authority but I strongly believe that Fripp is about 3 basic things: 1.) The Moment. 2.) The Music which presents and defines itself as it needs to be expressed. 3.) The total and perhaps absolute juxtaposition or destruction of audiences expectations - and therein his expectations as well. The latter seems to be something Fripp places a lot of emphasis on for the purpose of not having to be weighted down as he sees it by demands that take you out of the spirit of listening, hearing and knowing all music has to give you. Read any of his interviews, follow his career paths and various incarnate projects and such and theres a pattern of someone who is always looking for ways to step outside of himself and grow into something new that was not present before. The reactions Ive read thus far seem to say more about the expectations and wishes of the listener or audience as opposed to what the music needed to be and what it said or was trying to tell them. There are many ways to listen and there is always great difficulty in hearing something free from our own perceptions which can often times be a distraction and misleading. I saw Fripp at The Painted Bride in Philly and I came away with a lot of things: Boredom, Beauty, Repetition, Balance, Chaos and Extreme Calculation, Discipline, Mega-Extreme Organized thought Patterns that were Improvisationally intuitive. All this stuff was happening all at once at any given time. I tend to view music vividly as constantly contrasting and moving colors and The Painted Bride Performance at times was really cool, thrilling and concurrently really dull to the point of ennui - but I could appreciate it and hear some - not quite all but enough of what was going on to see what the big picture could be and was probably about. My only complaint was there was just way too much going so subtly at The Bride Show - Fripp was a pretty busy player just in a way you wouldn't recognize it. Ironically he was giving in (IMHO) to what so many people wanted to see him do - play a lot of notes or make lots of noise - he did it his way. None of this "insight", came to me overnight. Its been unraveling ever since I saw his performance and still keeps unfolding the more I reflect on the experience. No it aint the best thing since Ziplock bags Or Christy Canyon but its truly something else which is often missing way too often in music lately - an original perspective that can easilly be dismissed and overlooked - which is somehow where Fripp wants and seems to be right now. JP -----Original Message----- From: Peter Thompson [SMTP:pt205@hermes.cam.ac.uk] Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 1998 10:45 AM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Bitchery vs. Fair Comment As the co-accused in the Goodman Bitch Trials I would merely like to say the following: I don't see how my comment can be considered as bitching. I simple wished to amplify Andre's point about Fripps use of patches. I neither commented on nor do I agree with any of the points that he made about Fripp being exciting. Nor do I agree with the previous comments about Fripp being the 'bottom line'. I have no doubt Fripp adores what he is doing - I have a lot of time for his music. I have no desire at all for him to be 'exciting' if the definition of that word includes sounding like Satriani. Restraint is a highly underrated virtue, one that some posters to LD might like to consider. If we are going to have Mr Goodman jump down our throats every time we express an opinion, however anodyne, then perhaps we better all just stick to talking about SIMMs and mixers and stuff. Pete -----Original Message----- From: Stephen P. Goodman To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: 03 February 1998 14:45 Subject: Frippery vs. Bitchery >You know, at no point in this strangely looping discussion has anyone talked >about the idea that - wonder of wonders! - perhaps RF LIKES what he's doing >right now...! > >I believe we've all been there, hm? But if you're looking for blazingly >fast technique guitar, go listen to one of the fellows from the G3 tour. >Amongst the things I get out of listening to music (and yes! Fripp's work >too), "being impressed" is not high on my list of expectations before the >performance. > >Just listen to it, and if you don't like it, listen to something else. I >just think this bitching about his work is pointless unless someone can come >up with an alternative guitarist/style/etc that one likes Better. Or >perhaps it's your own work you like better, just say so. > >Who ever said it was supposed to be exciting ALL the time anyway? Or did >yez think it was a marketing ploy when Fripp said (back in the early 80s, >pre-KC2) that at times he made an effort to be as boring as humanly >possible? > >I'd have kept my keyboard untouched on this one, if it had not denigrated >into this whiningly annoying bit. It smacks a bit of the Satriani-heads who >were also disappointed in Soundscape works. Oh brother, whatta buncha >consumers THEY are. :) > >Stephen Goodman * It's... The Loop Of The Week! >EarthLight Studios * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios > >>>..whatever... i agree - it's some of fripp's most..... non exciting stuff. >>>but , yes, i respect the fact - that was what he was going for.. but on >the >>>2 soundsscape CDs i have , plus the G3 show, it never seemed to take off, >>>beyond simplistic, basic synth patches thru cool stereo FX. not as >>>adventurous as he usually is, by far! >>> >>>andre' >>> >>> >> >>This is a good point. Fripp does rely too much on synth patches. Now that >>can sometimes work very effectively such as on A Blessing of Tears, but >more >>often than not it just gets cloying. I would like to see him use the >>natural sound of the guitar more - essentially i would like him to sound >>like a guitarist, rather than a keyboard player. >> >>Pete >> >> >> > > > From ???@??? Tue Feb 03 17:34:37 1998 >From kflint Tue Feb 3 10:33:09 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0xzn9Y-0003fi-00; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 10:33:00 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 11:18:13 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: dtapia@unoco.edu (Douglas Tapia) Subject: Re: Mixer recommendations Resent-Message-ID: <"PMktfB.A.wkB.y9110"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2781 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 10:33:01 -0800 X-UIDL: 5cc1f96cdee4b54e1c53c9d6f9e5f9bc >Speaking of mixers, anybody have any experience with Samson? They have a >couple of reasonably priced stereo powered mixers. Any idea how they sound? > I've had some experience with Samson in small club type reinforcment. Their stuff isn't anything to write home about IMHO. The couple I've seen tended to be rather noisy, and fairly cheesy. Pots got scratchy in no time in the smokey bar environment, the eq points didn't make a whole lot of musical sense to me, and the preamps were only fair. Then again, we were just pluging in SM57s and 58s and a couple of 421s, so it's not like we had unbelivebly clean sources. I don't suppose the speakers really helped either. Can't remember what these were, but they, and the amp and the mixer made for a sound that was stuffy and rather nasal despite some fairly heavy-handed EQ. Using this mixer with line level equipment might produce far different results. Take care, Doug T. From ???@??? Tue Feb 03 17:34:44 1998 >From kflint Tue Feb 3 10:51:43 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0xznRY-00063c-00; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 10:51:36 -0800 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19980203184633.006914f4@interactive.net> X-Sender: jbrainin@interactive.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 13:46:33 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Jonathan Brainin Subject: RE: Bitchery vs. Fair Comment Resent-Message-ID: <"Pfe9YD.A.v6E.LX210"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2782 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 10:51:36 -0800 X-UIDL: 246cb38dbf683fb244d78b0d4ea6eba3 At 01:14 PM 2/3/98 -0500, you wrote: >No it aint the best thing since Ziplock bags Or Christy Canyon but its truly something else which is often missing way too often in music lately - an original perspective that can easilly be dismissed and overlooked - which is somehow where Fripp wants and seems to be right now. > >JP So who's Christy Canyon? What does she play? Jonathan Brainin jbrainin@interactive.net From ???@??? Tue Feb 03 17:34:49 1998 >From kflint Tue Feb 3 11:01:19 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0xznaw-0007NU-00; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 11:01:18 -0800 Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 13:51:35 -0500 From: Michael Peters Subject: AW: Re: Location. Sender: Michael Peters To: "'INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Message-ID: <199802031352_MC2-31BE-E669@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"mkEOi.A.G8F.ye210"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2783 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 11:01:18 -0800 X-UIDL: 0e9f6b7902d4500d1fafd49a02ff1844 >At this time, we are automating this section ... >This is being set up Chris Chovit and Michael Peters, >who have been amazing and brilliant in making it happen. er, ... thanks but the new automatic profile page was entirely Chris's work. Michael Peters http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/mpeters.htm From ???@??? Tue Feb 03 01:37:50 1998 >From kflint Tue Feb 3 01:29:15 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0xzefJ-0002ix-00; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 01:29:13 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19980203110450.0fb7667a@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> X-Sender: pycraft@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (16) Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 11:04:50 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: "Michael P. Hughes, Ph.D." Subject: Re: Re: Re: Location. In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"Kx1AE.A.ZIC.-Ju10"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2748 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 01:29:13 -0800 X-UIDL: 9443e41dc5107759c00c3979f848a331 >>This is exactly the point of the "Loopers of the World" section of the >>Looper's Delight website. It contains profiles of people from all over the >>world, with descriptions of their styles, background, contact info, gear, >etc. >Ah! I keep forgetting...not that it matters much...but nearly a year ago I >moved from sunny SoCal to rainy Oregon...and I've much to change in my profile >on the Loop-D page. Please post details as soon as it becomes possible to make >such changes. I too have been planning to change my L-D page; partly because my equipment's changed, but mostly because it's so horribly pretentious! Cringe! Michael Glasgow, Scotland Home of Dolly the Looped Sheep From ???@??? Tue Feb 03 17:35:00 1998 >From kflint Tue Feb 3 11:46:44 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0xzoIn-0004a8-00; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 11:46:37 -0800 Message-Id: <98Feb3.133739cst.26882@gateway.gibson.com> X-Sender: tspauldi@mail.nash.gibson.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 13:40:02 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tom Spaulding Subject: Oberheim Update/News Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"azVoC.A.ogD.PK310"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2785 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 11:46:37 -0800 X-UIDL: df6d9280e08adbc1ba3c62fc4801c23f Calling All Gooberheim Fans- Dave Eichenberger, a strapping, loopish lad will be 'plexing to the puddled masses at the Florida Guitar Show on February 28th at the Thoroughbred store in Clearwater, FL. Go see him. He will be sporting the latest in fashion, the little black T-shirt with Oberheim logo. Available now from House of Oberheim, sensibly priced at an affable $15.00. A portion of all proceeds are directed to the "Thermal Problem Home for Wayward Noise". Photo with appropriate models on our website soon. Really. All EDP and Footswitch backorders will have shipped by the end of this month. Thanks for the support. Buy two - get stereo. NAMM was great fun - very busy. Many people discovering what many of you already know... It's not too soon to make plans for the Summer NAMM show in Nashville. I don't know the exact dates, but it's usually on the hottest days in July. BTW, Oberheim was translated to me as Ober ="High" or "Above" and heim = House, NOT Ober ="Out". ;) Tom "Where Can I Get One of These?" Spaulding From ???@??? Tue Feb 03 17:35:03 1998 >From kflint Tue Feb 3 11:54:33 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0xzoQM-0005cm-00; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 11:54:26 -0800 Message-ID: <01BD30B3.2067E180@TD-300> From: jprice@intcpi.com (John Price) To: "'loopers-delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 14:50:49 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"ReZtg.A.igE.IS310"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2786 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 11:54:26 -0800 X-UIDL: 0a328646d4f5b8d0474495af5c5176f2 Christy Canyon is a dark haired, Doe eyed, big boobed, very attractive and voluptuous Porno Star from the mid-late 80's whose instrument was...ummm... her body, more or less. She's a legend and truly an original that was 100% natural and ... ahemmm...proportionate or perhaps better yet passionate about her craft. She appeared in literally thousands of "loops". :) From ???@??? Tue Feb 03 17:35:07 1998 >From kflint Tue Feb 3 12:09:33 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0xzoeu-0007NO-00; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 12:09:28 -0800 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19980203200324.00a5ff10@pop.chromatic.com> X-Sender: kflint@pop.chromatic.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 12:03:24 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: RE: Bitchery vs. Fair Comment Resent-Message-ID: <"zRO8K.A.RVG.Sh310"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2787 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 12:09:28 -0800 X-UIDL: ff5f66d78b0ea5d60eba4e22f2dd67ba At 01:46 PM 2/3/98 -0500, Jonathan Brainin wrote: >At 01:14 PM 2/3/98 -0500, you wrote: >>No it aint the best thing since Ziplock bags Or Christy Canyon but its >truly something else which is often missing way too often in music lately - >an original perspective that can easilly be dismissed and overlooked - which >is somehow where Fripp wants and seems to be right now. >> >>JP > >So who's Christy Canyon? What does she play? >Jonathan Brainin ha ha! Wouldn't you like to know? I think it's some sort of wind instrument... kim _______________________________________________________ Kim Flint 408-752-9284 Mpact Systems Engineering kflint@chromatic.com Chromatic Research http://www.chromatic.com From ???@??? Tue Feb 03 17:35:13 1998 >From kflint Tue Feb 3 12:37:47 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0xzp6F-0002py-00; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 12:37:43 -0800 Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 15:29:39 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199802032029.PAA15995@newman.concentric.net> X-Sender: hideo@pop3.concentric.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tom Lambrecht Subject: RE: Bitchery vs. Fair Comment Resent-Message-ID: <"LaVz2C.A.byB._4310"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2789 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 12:37:43 -0800 X-UIDL: 22b119589d4622b30cf903c4997f0233 In the absence of the original poster, I will take the liberty of answering: I emphasize that I do not speak from experience of the aforementioned artiste, but I believe Ms. Canyon is in the "men's entertainment" industry (cough) Tom At 01:46 PM 2/3/98 -0500, you wrote: >At 01:14 PM 2/3/98 -0500, you wrote: >>No it aint the best thing since Ziplock bags Or Christy Canyon but its >truly something else which is often missing way too often in music lately - >an original perspective that can easilly be dismissed and overlooked - which >is somehow where Fripp wants and seems to be right now. >> >>JP > >So who's Christy Canyon? What does she play? >Jonathan Brainin >jbrainin@interactive.net > > > > Tom Lambrecht hideo@concentric.net From ???@??? Tue Feb 03 17:35:20 1998 >From kflint Tue Feb 3 12:54:45 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0xzpMe-0004ju-00; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 12:54:40 -0800 Message-ID: <01BD30BB.84580320@TD-300> From: jprice@intcpi.com (John Price) To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Who's on the forefront of loopmuse? Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 15:50:55 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_NextPart_000_01BD30BB.84674560" Resent-Message-ID: <"iRacCB.A.prD.TK410"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2790 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 12:54:40 -0800 X-UIDL: 17bf90d9caec09044d9c7f2da5c318ce Gosh darn it! Im feelin awful chatty today. The forefront of Looping today is on what most here would undoubtedly consider the lowbrow side of all things loop that is if you are prone to categorizing things. IMHO - It's the dance floor dude that is still driving things loopey for the majority of the world - Musicians and audiences included. Obvious and overexposed Loop Leaders: Beck, Square Pusher, DJ's Spookey & Shadow (Spelling??) Photek, Puff Daddy ( He aint original and he sure don't drone. But his loops are in the hands and ears of eager children all across the world while their $ is secure in his bank account) and The Orb on the Higher end of low end. Frankly, I can't nor would I ever dare say that any artist is better than the other. Its always like a pissing contest. And I cant stand it when people turn music appreciation into a sport and forum for their own biases and need to be acknowledged. Just a premonition of how people will respond to DK's question. -----Original Message----- From: David Kirkdorffer [SMTP:DKirkdorffer@exapps.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 1998 1:02 PM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Who's on the forefront of loopmuse? I'll try this again, just to see if this gets picked up. *So, just for giggles, what / who is on the forefront of "looping-based music"?* I know this is somewhat an impossible question, but, maybe it's worth bashing around for a while. David Kirkdorffer From ???@??? Tue Feb 03 17:35:23 1998 >From kflint Tue Feb 3 13:02:34 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0xzpUG-0005mz-00; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 13:02:32 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 12:57:32 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel) Subject: Re: RE: RE:Fernandes guy at NAMM Resent-Message-ID: <"xzjiWB.A.81E.FT410"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2791 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 13:02:32 -0800 X-UIDL: aba00e51959d3b52504c30be1327aeb3 >Hi Kim: > >Thanks for the sustainer report. You mentioned ocsillators. Have you gotten >your hands on the Boss bass synthesis pedal that came out a while back and >turns the bottom four strings of a guitar into something analogue synth like? >If you have, how does this compare to the Sustainer? > >Best, >The LoOpDoctOrs I have the Korg G5, which is their take on the synth bass pedal meme. It's great for getting cheesy analog-esque bass sounds, and has a very good envelope filter, but it doesn't do endless sustain. It's tracking is kind of flaky, I've found that flat wound strings with the treble all the way down get the best performance, and the synth tones will die out long before the unaffected bass sound does. But it does get great sustaining tones with E-bow'd bass. BTW, I've been using E-bow on bass for years, and it works fine with practice. Also, I just scored a Fender Rhodes Stage 73 piano, in excellent condition for next to nothing. Spent yesterday evening running it through every effect I've got. The Vortex and Gonkulator make a particular potent combo... Just another moss-covered looper from the misty backwoods of Oregon, dt ________________________________________________________ Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org : www.peak.org/~improv/ "...there will come a day when you won't have to use gasoline. You'd simply take a cassette and put it in your car, let it run. You'd have to have the proper type of music. Like you take two sticks, put 'em together, make fire. You take some notes and rub 'em together - dum, dum, dum, dum - fire, cosmic fire." -Sun Ra ________________________________________________________ From ???@??? Tue Feb 03 17:35:28 1998 >From kflint Tue Feb 3 13:16:02 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0xzphF-0007IT-00; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 13:15:57 -0800 Message-ID: <19980203211101.2807.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [204.74.108.99] From: "Joseph Buck" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Oberheim Update/News Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 13:11:00 PST Resent-Message-ID: <"4NMLuC.A.JZG.jg410"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2792 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 13:15:57 -0800 X-UIDL: 84b94bcfbe3f4a9f27b59f1642cd5ed6 Tom- >BTW, Oberheim was translated to me as Ober ="High" or "Above" and heim = >House, NOT Ober ="Out". ;) I thought it meant over and out...... 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Tue Feb 03 17:35:37 1998 >From kflint Tue Feb 3 13:21:59 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0xzpn3-0000Fv-00; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 13:21:57 -0800 Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 16:15:42 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199802032115.QAA23601@cliff.concentric.net> X-Sender: hideo@pop3.concentric.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tom Lambrecht Subject: Re: Delay devices spotted Resent-Message-ID: <"zc9A3D.A.o0G.Ck410"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2793 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 13:21:57 -0800 X-UIDL: 96a33009e84e3648c89e9e59d12a8081 Recent sightings on rec: marketplace Jamman "mint" with eveything best offer over $400 boelan@aol.com PCM 42--Lexicon-modified by Gary Hall to 20 seconds of delay :0 $750 ronnieland@aol.com drone on~~~~~ Tom ps the mixer thread is fascinating--I've made a mental note to listen to more of 'em THANKS again for all the tech help I've received (specifically and inadvertently) from this group--I've got my very own POCKET PROTECTOR now . . . ;) Tom Lambrecht hideo@concentric.net From ???@??? Tue Feb 03 17:36:00 1998 >From kflint Tue Feb 3 14:36:39 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0xzqx9-00006x-00; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 14:36:27 -0800 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19980203223054.0066b87c@tiac.net> X-Sender: rphunt@tiac.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 17:30:54 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, etnier@studiodual.com From: Reginald Hunt Subject: loops, ambient or otherwise Resent-Message-ID: <"T9U8tB.A.zBH.lr510"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2794 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 14:36:27 -0800 X-UIDL: 42669127a56a5176df3081056bd75cf3 The topics below obviously touch on some interesting fundamental points: Music and Artistically Valid Noise Yes I consider them different. Possibly Music is a subset of AVN. Or they are side by side under a larger category(?) For me, method of production is irrelavant to whether I wish or need to hear the final result. Granted, Music and AVN are broad subjects. They are not always about a final sonic result per se. But sometimes they are. And sometimes those sonic results are meant to achieve states of mind other than joy, anger, or pathos. Of course, approval of those states of mind is an essentially political choice. By method of production, I refer to technology and technique, and also to the envoronment the work is conceived in. Good work can be produced by situations ranging from a lone person in his apartment to a band/orchestra in a live venue. But since the discussion here relates to Looping as the technology/technique, I bring up the next point.... **************************************************************************** ********* My operating definition of "looping" has been this: Electronically or mechanically repeated time segments of audio. The time segments would be at least about 1 second. Obviously, the time segments must be shorter than infinite, or else no repeat occurs. A person sitting at a keyboard and playing the same phrase over and over manually is not looping, he is repeating. Yodelling in a canyon is not looping, it is echo. The effects can sometimes be similar using any of the three. Which is why I bring up the next point.... **************************************************************************** ********* The purpose of looping to me appears to be: To create interesting repeating patterns of sound (Music or AVN) easily. To create thick layers of sounds unachievable in any any other economically feasable way. To create a One-Man-Band. Any uses of looping I've experienced has fallen into one or more of those categories. Notice that I do not include any specific political, psychological, or aesthetic goals. Looping in itself is neutral to these. However, any technology or technique has uses that are immediately suggested, and others uses that are discovered or developed after experience. **************************************************************************** ********* Unfortunately, the human animal can suffer from the tendency to follow sheep-like (or lemming-like). Ambient music has suffered from its contingent of brain dead devotees, as has Fripp. Originally, ambient music was not intended as a hypnotic tranquilizer (which looping inherently lends itself to). It was meant as music which operates equally on different levels of awareness simultaneously. Persons who assume that loopers are into ambient music by default, are a type of bigot. But don't damn a style of music for that. Fripp has always been an acquired taste. His explorations extend beyond music per se. He has always questioned the audience-performer relationship, and the effect of the music business on musicians. His actions at performances are reflective of all that and probably more. He's never been about being a "hot" player. The many comments I've seen here and elsewhere asking why he doesn't "rip it up", or about him leavng the stage and observing the audience, shows a lack of understanding about the artist. Fripp has never been about being a Looper, either. For him it is a method, not the point. Seems to me, that's a good lesson for a lot of us. Reg **************************************************************************** ********* **************************************************************************** ********* From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: location & Loopers' CD Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 18:17:26 -0600<>Resent-Message-ID: <"vt6_M.A.yJF.WJm10"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2728 Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: rphunt@tiac.net Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 16:29:25 -0800 Yeah, I tend to think of loops as being only a small part of the live/recorded imporvised or composed experience. A small part of the canvas, sometimes you need to do alot sometimes a little; sometimes intense noise, sometimes tonal bliss . . . If all you are doing is looping, well I don't know . . . are you playing music or IC chips? . . . I only say this because I have friends who have gone this route and I'm not really sure that it leads to what I consider an important factor in music: human interaction. (Often have the same problem with totally pre-recorded concerts or music concrete.) > ---------- > From: Kim Flint > Reply To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Sent: Monday, February 2, 1998 4:04 PM > To: LiebigSA@maritz.com > Subject: Re: location & Loopers' CD > > At 03:44 PM 2/2/98 EST, paparuda o o wrote: > > > > >yeah! even more, i would actually like to meet other loopers; > > I think that is generally a great idea, and probably my biggest > motivation > for creating this whole monster of an internet address! Get together! > Collaborate! Share ideas! Real-live or Virtual! Go forth and Multiply! > > > (pun intended there....) > > > >it's seems to me that most of the loopers are into "ambient" > >instrumental music. > > I'm not. In fact, I'm morally opposed to being an ambient musician. > What > others choose to do with their lives is their own business, but I > resolutely > refuse to have anything to do with this ambient stuff. I'm deeply > offended > by any implication that being into looping means I'm ambient. I'm > proud of > my long history here resisting the ambient tyranny that threatens to > overcome all other loopists! I will also continue to resist shameless > idol > worship of this Fripp fellow. Soundscapes, poundcakes. Not for me! > > of course, neither of those is as sick as being a deadhead. Those > maniacs > are actually planning to open a Grateful Dead theme park in San > Francisco. > The apocalypse will arrive none too soon. > > this, of course, gets many smiley's: :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) > > > >so, please, if you have a copy of the "loopers CD", or > >would like to share your (COPYRIGHT protected) looped music > >can you let me know? > > that CD project actually is not yet completed. As I understand, it's > in a > bag on someone's shelf awaiting arrival of the still-vaporware-Layla > sound > card. Seems likely that CD #2 will arrive before CD #1. > > kim > _______________________________________________________ > Kim Flint 408-752-9284 > Mpact Systems Engineering kflint@chromatic.com > Chromatic Research http://www.chromatic.com > > From ???@??? Tue Feb 03 17:36:12 1998 >From kflint Tue Feb 3 15:02:41 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0xzrMP-0003Ja-00; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 15:02:33 -0800 From: Fmplautus@aol.com Message-ID: <6e8ca90d.34d79ef6@aol.com> Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 17:49:24 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Re: RE: RE:Fernandes guy at NAMM Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 78 Resent-Message-ID: <"08e5AB.A.1uB.i9510"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2796 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 15:02:33 -0800 X-UIDL: e88230a3881e8723e03eea182532c946 What is it about Oregon and looping? You think it's the Twin Peaks vibe? best, The LoOpDoctOrs From ???@??? Tue Feb 03 17:36:10 1998 >From kflint Tue Feb 3 14:56:35 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0xzrGP-0002WG-00; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 14:56:21 -0800 Message-ID: <34D79FFA.403F@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 14:53:47 -0800 From: Andre LaFosse Reply-To: altruist@earthlink.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-MACOS8 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Who's on the forefront of loopmuse? References: <01BD30BB.84580320@TD-300> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"RcmDLD.A.qXB.p6510"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2795 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 14:56:21 -0800 X-UIDL: 1c2dced242efbe267914db7cad487f90 Gotta add a few cents in: John Price wrote: > The forefront of Looping today is on what most here would undoubtedly > consider the lowbrow side of all things loop that is if you are prone > to categorizing things. Actually, there are quite a few of us on the list who are very much into the so-called "lowbrow" side of electronic music; there are also a few rather high-profile members of that "community" on the list. > IMHO - It's the dance floor dude that is still driving things loopey > for the majority of the world - Musicians and audiences included. There's no doubt that loop-driven music is pretty much the mainstream right now. You can't go near the top 40 without some sort of sample-based rap or R&B tune rearing its head. But I think there's a distinction to be made between something which is at the forefront of music commerce (i.e. what's selling to a lot of people) as opposed to something that's pushing the envelope of the art or craft of music in itself, which is often (and usually) very far removed from the mainstream. I'm assuming that it's the latter of these two that fostered the original post in this thread. > Obvious and overexposed Loop Leaders: Beck, I think you've got to factor Beck's co-producers into the picture as well: Carl Stephenson on _Mellow Gold_ and the Dust Brothers for most of _Odelay_. I'm not familiar with his more obscure independent releases, but my general impression (which I'll happily have disproven by anyone more well-acquainted with his work than I am) is that Beck's primarily a singer-songwriter, albiet of a wonderfully eccentric persuasion, who gets a lot of his cut-and-paste aesthetic from production collaborators. > Square Pusher, Squarepusher overexposed?! Here in America, the only way you can get hold of any of his recordings is via usually pricey British imports. Granted, 60,000 copies of _Hard Normal Daddy_ sold in the UK is quite a feat for music as angular as his, but I would definitely have to say that he's a long way from being even a mainstream artist in terms of his recognition factor within the drum-n-bass scene (to which he's only marginally a "part" of, anyway), which in itself has a very low profile relative to your typical pop music (again, this is from an American point of view. Keep in mind that Goldie only sold in the low 10,000's with _Timeless_.) Also worth noting is that Tom Jenkinson (the man behind the Squarepusher alias) goes out of his way to avoid looping in much of his programming; he deliberately programs out all of his drum patterns manually, making sure to rarely if ever repeat a pattern. It's a very different aesthetic than your standard hypnotic loop music, and in fact one of the first criticisms he recieved was that his rhythms didn't repeat enough. > Puff Daddy ( He aint original and he sure don't drone. But his loops > are in the hands and ears of eager children all across the world while > their $ is secure in his bank account) This gets back to the issue of how you're identifying the "forefront" of this sort of music-making approach. He's selling an obscene anount of records, it's true, but from a musical point of view, he's not doing anything in terms of the construction or mechanics of his music that weren't being done at least 15 years ago by hip-hop producers with more creativity, less showbiz savvy, and a smaller budget to pay for obvious sample-clearance royalties. > and The Orb on the Higher end of low end. Has anyone heard the collaboration Phillip Glass did with Richard "Aphex Twin" James a few years ago? The distinction between the "high" and "low" aspects of this music (and music in general) gets more and more blurry (not to mention useless) as more and more "serious" composers emerge with a strong background of rock and jazz in their past. I actually saw a very amusing article in a mag a few months ago (I think it was _Option_) in which a reporter played Phillip Glass a number of CDs by the likes of Orbital, Underworld, Mu-Ziq, and others to gauge his reaction. Some funny stuff in there... --Andre LaFosse From ???@??? Tue Feb 03 17:36:13 1998 >From kflint Tue Feb 3 15:06:53 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0xzrQS-0003sP-00; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 15:06:44 -0800 From: Paolo Valladolid Message-Id: <199802032254.OAA19784@waynesworld.ucsd.edu> Subject: Re: Who's on the forefront of loopmuse? To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 14:54:39 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <01BD30BB.84580320@TD-300> from "John Price" at Feb 3, 98 03:50:55 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"iQ_fWB.A.INC.KB610"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2797 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 15:06:45 -0800 X-UIDL: 7cb41ca806ff29d0f6d29f18d653564e I don't know if this is directly related to the question, but one interesting application of looping might be in video games. One of my roommates likes to play a Playstation game called "Parappa The Rappa". Parappa is the character you play in this game (looks like a young relative of Snoopy with a hat on). You help him rap with the people he encounters (a turnip karate sensei, a cow meter maid, etc.) by following a visual cue at the top of the screen and hitting the appropriate buttons in time with the cue and the music. There is an element of improvisation in that you can introduce a stuttering effect depending on how quickly you repeatedly hit the buttons (e.g. Parappa says "Pu-Pu-Punch!" instead of just "Punch!"). At the right of the screen there's a meter that runs from "You Be Rappin Ill!" to "You Be Rappin Excellent" or something like that. What I find interesting about this game is that it lets people with no musical training at all get a taste of musical improvisation and work on their rhythm through a non-standard interface or "instrument". Cheers, Paolo Valladolid --------------------------------------------------------------- |Moderator of Digital Guitar Digest, an Internet mailing list |\ |for Music Technology and Stringed Instruments | \ ---------------------------------------------------------------- | \ finger pvallado@waynesworld.ucsd.edu for more info \ | \ http://waynesworld.ucsd.edu/DigitalGuitar/home.html \| ----------------------------------------------------------------- From ???@??? Tue Feb 03 17:36:31 1998 >From kflint Tue Feb 3 16:05:45 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0xzsLV-0002cs-00; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 16:05:41 -0800 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19980203235737.009acdb0@pop.chromatic.com> X-Sender: kflint@pop.chromatic.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 15:57:37 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" From: Kim Flint Subject: RE: Who's on the forefront of loopmuse? Resent-Message-ID: <"-7ca6C.A.tnB.z8610"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2798 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 16:05:41 -0800 X-UIDL: 31b1aa84c7853805504ce2e8befeda13 At 03:50 PM 2/3/98 -0500, John Price wrote: >Gosh darn it! Im feelin awful chatty today. > >The forefront of Looping today is on what most here would undoubtedly consider the lowbrow side of all things loop that is if you are prone to categorizing things. > >IMHO - It's the dance floor dude that is still driving things loopey for the majority of the world - Musicians and audiences included. I tend to agree with this, although it's not always so lowbrow as you might think. A lot of that is a bit of a pose, and often times the people behind it are very sophisticated musicians. The possibilities for innovation and creativity are huge, and a lot of talented people have moved in that direction to take advantage of it. Andre did a nice job of commenting on that, no need for me to add anything there. The dance/electronic/hip-hop/etc. scene is definitely where I see all the innovation in looping as a method, as a process, as a tool, as a type of music. I see people there constantly pushing to evolve things and do something different, move it to the next level. The musicians, the audience, the dj's, and the press all seem to support and encourage that, it's ingrained in the scene in an interesting and healthy way. Loop concepts grow by leaps and bounds there. Another spot of innovation would be the solo instrumentalists, integrating loops into compositions and performances in interesting new ways, expanding their reach. I think you see that here in the many people looping with fingerstyle guitar, or cello, or voice. Probably there are innovative things happening in the academic/high-brow world, but I just don't follow that enough to know. Where I don't see much innovation with looping is in the droney guitar loop scene, the stuff often associated with Fripp. The music may continue to be vital and interesting, but the use of loops is pretty stagnant and complacent. Sorry, but I just don't see anyone pushing the looping process anywhere in that scene. (although it's possible that I just go so bored with it I stopped paying attention.) For me as a developer of loop devices, it is definitely the dance producers who are driving things. They are the ones forcing the innovation in tools and driving us with a constant flow of ideas. Trying to understand, meet, and anticipate their needs so that a looping device might be an effective instrument in that world is a very tough challenge! And the possibilities are so huge and fresh, along with the sheer volume of creativity, that the challenge is really quite exciting and fun. You really get the feeling that when a new feature is introduced, someone will jump on it and do something remarkable. With the droney guitar loop crowd, most of the push is to get one box that does all the things that different boxes available 10-20 years ago did. And that's certainly reasonable, but it's not exactly breaking new ground. You give them something new and they barely notice, maybe getting around to it after a few years. (and in 15 years they will just be demanding that feature in any new device!) anyway, that's my take. kim >Obvious and overexposed Loop Leaders: Beck, Square Pusher, DJ's Spookey & Shadow (Spelling??) Photek, Puff Daddy ( He aint original and he sure don't drone. But his loops are in the hands and ears of eager children all across the world while their $ is secure in his bank account) and The Orb on the Higher end of low end. > >Frankly, I can't nor would I ever dare say that any artist is better than the other. Its always like a pissing contest. And I cant stand it when people turn music appreciation into a sport and forum for their own biases and need to be acknowledged. Just a premonition of how people will respond to DK's question. > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: David Kirkdorffer [SMTP:DKirkdorffer@exapps.com] >Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 1998 1:02 PM >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Subject: Who's on the forefront of loopmuse? > >I'll try this again, just to see if this gets picked up. > >*So, just for giggles, what / who is on the forefront of "looping-based >music"?* >I know this is somewhat an impossible question, but, maybe it's worth >bashing around for a while. > >David Kirkdorffer > >Attachment Converted: C:\Program Files\Eudora\Attach\RE Who's on the forefront of l > _______________________________________________________ Kim Flint 408-752-9284 Mpact Systems Engineering kflint@chromatic.com Chromatic Research http://www.chromatic.com From ???@??? Tue Feb 03 17:36:45 1998 >From kflint Tue Feb 3 16:32:41 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0xzsla-0005cr-00; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 16:32:38 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 16:14:57 -0800 Message-ID: <00085E66.----@wj.com> From: Mike.Biffle@wj.com (Mike Biffle) Subject: Re: loops, ambient or otherwise To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, Reginald Hunt Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Resent-Message-ID: <"L5wLd.A.4AE.hS710"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2799 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 16:32:38 -0800 X-UIDL: 6e0b5c990498bd8670ececd2666c4fdf Thanks Reg for such clear and devoloped definitions regarding looping. Most of my comments are in reply to your feelings about Robert Fripp below. Reginald Hunt wrote... >The topics below obviously touch on some interesting fundamental points: >Music and Artistically Valid Noise >Yes I consider them different. Possibly Music is a subset of AVN. Or they >are side by side under a larger category(?) For me, method of production is >irrelavant to whether I wish or need to hear the final result. Granted, >Music and AVN are broad subjects. They are not always about a final sonic >result per se. But sometimes they are. And sometimes those sonic results are >meant to achieve states of mind other than joy, anger, or pathos. Of course, >approval of those states of mind is an essentially political choice. >By method of production, I refer to technology and technique, and also to >the envoronment the work is conceived in. Good work can be produced by >situations ranging from a lone person in his apartment to a band/orchestra >in a live venue. But since the discussion here relates to Looping as the >technology/technique, I bring up the next point.... >**************************************************************************** >********* >My operating definition of "looping" has been this: >Electronically or mechanically repeated time segments of audio. The time >segments would be at least about 1 second. Obviously, the time segments must >be shorter than infinite, or else no repeat occurs. >A person sitting at a keyboard and playing the same phrase over and over >manually is not looping, he is repeating. Yodelling in a canyon is not >looping, it is echo. The effects can sometimes be similar using any of the >three. Which is why I bring up the next point.... >**************************************************************************** >********* >The purpose of looping to me appears to be: >To create interesting repeating patterns of sound (Music or AVN) easily. >To create thick layers of sounds unachievable in any any other economically >feasable way. >To create a One-Man-Band. >Any uses of looping I've experienced has fallen into one or more of those >categories. Notice that I do not include any specific political, >psychological, or aesthetic goals. Looping in itself is neutral to these. >However, any technology or technique has uses that are immediately >suggested, and others uses that are discovered or developed after experience. >**************************************************************************** >********* >Unfortunately, the human animal can suffer from the tendency to follow >sheep-like (or lemming-like). Ambient music has suffered from its contingent >of brain dead devotees, as has Fripp. Originally, ambient music was not >intended as a hypnotic tranquilizer (which looping inherently lends itself >to). It was meant as music which operates equally on different levels of >awareness simultaneously. Persons who assume that loopers are into ambient >music by default, are a type of bigot. But don't damn a style of music for >that. Does this imply that 'bad' ambient music has actually impaired our ability to perceive Mr. Fripp? How nasty of the mediocrities. I'm not sure how 'ambient' music was originally intended. Was there a group charter for the genre or something? Or are we now following sheep-like, some authority on the subject? I'd like to think that even the most unassuming person who purchases *any* cheesy sounds to alter their environment, is somehow taking a rather active measure to alter their experience somehow. Most commendable! Bigot? Let they without sin cast the first stone! Those mindless drones have infected us all... Animals indeed! >Fripp has always been an acquired taste. His explorations extend beyond >music per se. He has always questioned the audience-performer relationship, >and the effect of the music business on musicians. His actions at >performances are reflective of all that and probably more. He's never been >about being a "hot" player. The many comments I've seen here and elsewhere >asking why he doesn't "rip it up", or about him leavng the stage and >observing the audience, shows a lack of understanding about the artist. To believe that I don't understand the artist because I have preferences as to what I might experience at a performance seems a little PC to me. I've been able to enjoy the vast differences in much of Fripps output. Fripp doesn't have to always rip, but if I shell out to go see him, I'm hoping I might get some tiny portion that which I know to also be alive somewhere in his soul as well. After all the pendulum does swing both ways. >Fripp has never been about being a Looper, either. For him it is a method, >not the point. Seems to me, that's a good lesson for a lot of us. >Reg I dislike being boxed in by labels and expectations as well. Did you study with Mr. Fripp or what? I have been a Fripp fan and have followed his techniques and attitudes quite closely since 'In The Court...'. I've found that as I've grown older, I sometimes have to cut to the chase a little quicker than I used to. If I lack understanding about Fripp as an artist because I hope to see him in a comfortable, non-combative setting, which might allow for undistracted listening, then so be it. Let me be 'responsible' for my own listening experience without dictating to me. Maybe I'm just an old intolerant fart as well. Who am I to dictate? If lectures become a larger part of other artists performances, I may begin having a harder time enjoying them as well. Although I might actually pursue some artists due to their engaging communication style and content. I believe Fripp is starting to sound redundant to me at this point. Hopefully the pendulum will swing again and I will enjoy many more years of delightful Fripp output. I find it somewhat totalitarian though that Fripp expects certain conformities from his audience without somehow realizing that his audience might expect some regard for their needs as well. Especially having shelled out their ducats. I have my own artistic requirements and expectations of an audience as well, but I find that it gets quite complicated when I consider the many possible ways in which people listen and communicate. With that in mind I find it a little harder to tell them to shut up and listen or some other such dictate. Maybe when I get completely fed up with their antics, I'll lay down the law as well. More power to Mr. Fripp. Loop on brother... -Miko Biffle >**************************************************************************** >********* >**************************************************************************** >********* From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: location & Loopers' CD Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 18:17:26 -0600<>Resent-Message-ID: <"vt6_M.A.yJF.WJm10"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2728 Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: rphunt@tiac.net Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 16:29:25 -0800 Yeah, I tend to think of loops as being only a small part of the live/recorded imporvised or composed experience. A small part of the canvas, sometimes you need to do alot sometimes a little; sometimes intense noise, sometimes tonal bliss . . . If all you are doing is looping, well I don't know . . . are you playing music or IC chips? . . . I only say this because I have friends who have gone this route and I'm not really sure that it leads to what I consider an important factor in music: human interaction. (Often have the same problem with totally pre-recorded concerts or music concrete.) > ---------- > From: Kim Flint > Reply To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Sent: Monday, February 2, 1998 4:04 PM > To: LiebigSA@maritz.com > Subject: Re: location & Loopers' CD > > At 03:44 PM 2/2/98 EST, paparuda o o wrote: > > > > >yeah! even more, i would actually like to meet other loopers; > > I think that is generally a great idea, and probably my biggest > motivation > for creating this whole monster of an internet address! Get together! > Collaborate! Share ideas! Real-live or Virtual! Go forth and Multiply! > > > (pun intended there....) > > > >it's seems to me that most of the loopers are into "ambient" > >instrumental music. > > I'm not. In fact, I'm morally opposed to being an ambient musician. > What > others choose to do with their lives is their own business, but I > resolutely > refuse to have anything to do with this ambient stuff. I'm deeply > offended > by any implication that being into looping means I'm ambient. I'm > proud of > my long history here resisting the ambient tyranny that threatens to > overcome all other loopists! I will also continue to resist shameless > idol > worship of this Fripp fellow. Soundscapes, poundcakes. Not for me! > > of course, neither of those is as sick as being a deadhead. Those > maniacs > are actually planning to open a Grateful Dead theme park in San > Francisco. > The apocalypse will arrive none too soon. > > this, of course, gets many smiley's: :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) > > > >so, please, if you have a copy of the "loopers CD", or > >would like to share your (COPYRIGHT protected) looped music > >can you let me know? > > that CD project actually is not yet completed. As I understand, it's > in a > bag on someone's shelf awaiting arrival of the still-vaporware-Layla > sound > card. Seems likely that CD #2 will arrive before CD #1. > > kim > _______________________________________________________ > Kim Flint 408-752-9284 > Mpact Systems Engineering kflint@chromatic.com > Chromatic Research http://www.chromatic.com > > From ???@??? Tue Feb 03 17:36:59 1998 >From kflint Tue Feb 3 17:18:46 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0xztU5-0003Bm-00; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 17:18:37 -0800 Message-ID: <34D7B6E4.226D@att.net> Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 19:31:32 -0500 From: Peter Ensign Reply-To: peterensign@att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Fernandes guy at NAMM References: <6e8ca90d.34d79ef6@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"pop7CB.A.zGB.D5710"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2801 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 17:18:37 -0800 X-UIDL: 41a09ca35204536e3a5b2f9ae605f474 Fmplautus@aol.com wrote: > > What is it about Oregon and looping? You think it's the Twin Peaks vibe? > > best, > The LoOpDoctOrs i dont want this shit From ???@??? Tue Feb 03 17:37:02 1998 >From kflint Tue Feb 3 17:20:07 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0xztVF-0003L6-00; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 17:19:49 -0800 Message-ID: <34D7B702.368A@att.net> Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 19:32:02 -0500 From: Peter Ensign Reply-To: peterensign@att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: loops, ambient or otherwise References: <1.5.4.32.19980203223054.0066b87c@tiac.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"fN23_.A.NLB.h5710"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2802 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 17:19:49 -0800 X-UIDL: 4710f956d726b969cbb2725240f8dce1 Reginald Hunt wrote: > > The topics below obviously touch on some interesting fundamental points: > > Music and Artistically Valid Noise > > Yes I consider them different. Possibly Music is a subset of AVN. Or they > are side by side under a larger category(?) For me, method of production is > irrelavant to whether I wish or need to hear the final result. Granted, > Music and AVN are broad subjects. They are not always about a final sonic > result per se. But sometimes they are. And sometimes those sonic results are > meant to achieve states of mind other than joy, anger, or pathos. Of course, > approval of those states of mind is an essentially political choice. > > By method of production, I refer to technology and technique, and also to > the envoronment the work is conceived in. Good work can be produced by > situations ranging from a lone person in his apartment to a band/orchestra > in a live venue. But since the discussion here relates to Looping as the > technology/technique, I bring up the next point.... > > **************************************************************************** > ********* > > My operating definition of "looping" has been this: > > Electronically or mechanically repeated time segments of audio. The time > segments would be at least about 1 second. Obviously, the time segments must > be shorter than infinite, or else no repeat occurs. > > A person sitting at a keyboard and playing the same phrase over and over > manually is not looping, he is repeating. Yodelling in a canyon is not > looping, it is echo. The effects can sometimes be similar using any of the > three. Which is why I bring up the next point.... > > **************************************************************************** > ********* > > The purpose of looping to me appears to be: > > To create interesting repeating patterns of sound (Music or AVN) easily. > > To create thick layers of sounds unachievable in any any other economically > feasable way. > > To create a One-Man-Band. > > Any uses of looping I've experienced has fallen into one or more of those > categories. Notice that I do not include any specific political, > psychological, or aesthetic goals. Looping in itself is neutral to these. > However, any technology or technique has uses that are immediately > suggested, and others uses that are discovered or developed after experience. > > **************************************************************************** > ********* > > Unfortunately, the human animal can suffer from the tendency to follow > sheep-like (or lemming-like). Ambient music has suffered from its contingent > of brain dead devotees, as has Fripp. Originally, ambient music was not > intended as a hypnotic tranquilizer (which looping inherently lends itself > to). It was meant as music which operates equally on different levels of > awareness simultaneously. Persons who assume that loopers are into ambient > music by default, are a type of bigot. But don't damn a style of music for that. > > Fripp has always been an acquired taste. His explorations extend beyond > music per se. He has always questioned the audience-performer relationship, > and the effect of the music business on musicians. His actions at > performances are reflective of all that and probably more. He's never been > about being a "hot" player. The many comments I've seen here and elsewhere > asking why he doesn't "rip it up", or about him leavng the stage and > observing the audience, shows a lack of understanding about the artist. > > Fripp has never been about being a Looper, either. For him it is a method, > not the point. Seems to me, that's a good lesson for a lot of us. > > Reg > > **************************************************************************** > ********* > **************************************************************************** > ********* > > From: "Liebig, Steuart A." > To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" > Subject: RE: location & Loopers' CD > Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 18:17:26 -0600<>Resent-Message-ID: > <"vt6_M.A.yJF.WJm10"@ferret> > Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2728 > Resent-Sender: SmartList > Resent-To: rphunt@tiac.net > Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 16:29:25 -0800 > > Yeah, I tend to think of loops as being only a small part of the > live/recorded imporvised or composed experience. A small part of the > canvas, sometimes you need to do alot sometimes a little; sometimes > intense noise, sometimes tonal bliss . . . If all you are doing is > looping, well I don't know . . . are you playing music or IC chips? . . > . I only say this because I have friends who have gone this route and > I'm not really sure that it leads to what I consider an important factor > in music: human interaction. (Often have the same problem with totally > pre-recorded concerts or music concrete.) > > > ---------- > > From: Kim Flint > > Reply To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > > Sent: Monday, February 2, 1998 4:04 PM > > To: LiebigSA@maritz.com > > Subject: Re: location & Loopers' CD > > > > At 03:44 PM 2/2/98 EST, paparuda o o wrote: > > > > > > > >yeah! even more, i would actually like to meet other loopers; > > > > I think that is generally a great idea, and probably my biggest > > motivation > > for creating this whole monster of an internet address! Get together! > > Collaborate! Share ideas! Real-live or Virtual! Go forth and Multiply! > > > > > > (pun intended there....) > > > > > > >it's seems to me that most of the loopers are into "ambient" > > >instrumental music. > > > > I'm not. In fact, I'm morally opposed to being an ambient musician. > > What > > others choose to do with their lives is their own business, but I > > resolutely > > refuse to have anything to do with this ambient stuff. I'm deeply > > offended > > by any implication that being into looping means I'm ambient. I'm > > proud of > > my long history here resisting the ambient tyranny that threatens to > > overcome all other loopists! I will also continue to resist shameless > > idol > > worship of this Fripp fellow. Soundscapes, poundcakes. Not for me! > > > > of course, neither of those is as sick as being a deadhead. Those > > maniacs > > are actually planning to open a Grateful Dead theme park in San > > Francisco. > > The apocalypse will arrive none too soon. > > > > this, of course, gets many smiley's: :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) > > > > > > >so, please, if you have a copy of the "loopers CD", or > > >would like to share your (COPYRIGHT protected) looped music > > >can you let me know? > > > > that CD project actually is not yet completed. As I understand, it's > > in a > > bag on someone's shelf awaiting arrival of the still-vaporware-Layla > > sound > > card. Seems likely that CD #2 will arrive before CD #1. > > > > kim > > _______________________________________________________ > > Kim Flint 408-752-9284 > > Mpact Systems Engineering kflint@chromatic.com > > Chromatic Research http://www.chromatic.com > > > > i dont want this shit From ???@??? Tue Feb 03 17:37:04 1998 >From kflint Tue Feb 3 17:21:06 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0xztW9-0003SF-00; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 17:20:45 -0800 Message-ID: <34D7B715.32B3@att.net> Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 19:32:21 -0500 From: Peter Ensign Reply-To: peterensign@att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: loops, ambient or otherwise References: <00085E66.----@wj.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Jz4Z0D.A.FOB.05710"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2803 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 17:20:45 -0800 X-UIDL: b51056c506db7930976d83a587d009a4 Mike Biffle wrote: > > Thanks Reg for such clear and devoloped definitions regarding looping. Most of > my comments are in reply to your feelings about Robert Fripp below. > > Reginald Hunt wrote... > > >The topics below obviously touch on some interesting fundamental points: > > >Music and Artistically Valid Noise > > >Yes I consider them different. Possibly Music is a subset of AVN. Or they > >are side by side under a larger category(?) For me, method of production is > >irrelavant to whether I wish or need to hear the final result. Granted, > >Music and AVN are broad subjects. They are not always about a final sonic > >result per se. But sometimes they are. And sometimes those sonic results are > >meant to achieve states of mind other than joy, anger, or pathos. Of course, > >approval of those states of mind is an essentially political choice. > > >By method of production, I refer to technology and technique, and also to > >the envoronment the work is conceived in. Good work can be produced by > >situations ranging from a lone person in his apartment to a band/orchestra > >in a live venue. But since the discussion here relates to Looping as the > >technology/technique, I bring up the next point.... > > >**************************************************************************** > >********* > > >My operating definition of "looping" has been this: > > >Electronically or mechanically repeated time segments of audio. The time > >segments would be at least about 1 second. Obviously, the time segments must > >be shorter than infinite, or else no repeat occurs. > > >A person sitting at a keyboard and playing the same phrase over and over > >manually is not looping, he is repeating. Yodelling in a canyon is not > >looping, it is echo. The effects can sometimes be similar using any of the > >three. Which is why I bring up the next point.... > > >**************************************************************************** > >********* > > >The purpose of looping to me appears to be: > >To create interesting repeating patterns of sound (Music or AVN) easily. > >To create thick layers of sounds unachievable in any any other economically > >feasable way. > >To create a One-Man-Band. > > >Any uses of looping I've experienced has fallen into one or more of those > >categories. Notice that I do not include any specific political, > >psychological, or aesthetic goals. Looping in itself is neutral to these. > >However, any technology or technique has uses that are immediately > >suggested, and others uses that are discovered or developed after experience. > > >**************************************************************************** > >********* > > >Unfortunately, the human animal can suffer from the tendency to follow > >sheep-like (or lemming-like). Ambient music has suffered from its contingent > >of brain dead devotees, as has Fripp. Originally, ambient music was not > >intended as a hypnotic tranquilizer (which looping inherently lends itself > >to). It was meant as music which operates equally on different levels of > >awareness simultaneously. Persons who assume that loopers are into ambient > >music by default, are a type of bigot. But don't damn a style of music for > >that. > > Does this imply that 'bad' ambient music has actually impaired our ability to > perceive Mr. Fripp? How nasty of the mediocrities. > > I'm not sure how 'ambient' music was originally intended. Was there a group > charter for the genre or something? Or are we now following sheep-like, some > authority on the subject? I'd like to think that even the most unassuming person > who purchases *any* cheesy sounds to alter their environment, is somehow taking > a rather active measure to alter their experience somehow. Most commendable! > > Bigot? Let they without sin cast the first stone! Those mindless drones have > infected us all... Animals indeed! > > >Fripp has always been an acquired taste. His explorations extend beyond > >music per se. He has always questioned the audience-performer relationship, > >and the effect of the music business on musicians. His actions at > >performances are reflective of all that and probably more. He's never been > >about being a "hot" player. The many comments I've seen here and elsewhere > >asking why he doesn't "rip it up", or about him leavng the stage and > >observing the audience, shows a lack of understanding about the artist. > > To believe that I don't understand the artist because I have preferences as to > what I might experience at a performance seems a little PC to me. I've been able > to enjoy the vast differences in much of Fripps output. Fripp doesn't have to > always rip, but if I shell out to go see him, I'm hoping I might get some tiny > portion that which I know to also be alive somewhere in his soul as well. After > all the pendulum does swing both ways. > > >Fripp has never been about being a Looper, either. For him it is a method, > >not the point. Seems to me, that's a good lesson for a lot of us. > > >Reg > > I dislike being boxed in by labels and expectations as well. Did you study with > Mr. Fripp or what? I have been a Fripp fan and have followed his techniques and > attitudes quite closely since 'In The Court...'. > > I've found that as I've grown older, I sometimes have to cut to the chase a > little quicker than I used to. If I lack understanding about Fripp as an artist > because I hope to see him in a comfortable, non-combative setting, which might > allow for undistracted listening, then so be it. Let me be 'responsible' for my > own listening experience without dictating to me. Maybe I'm just an old > intolerant fart as well. Who am I to dictate? > > If lectures become a larger part of other artists performances, I may begin > having a harder time enjoying them as well. Although I might actually pursue > some artists due to their engaging communication style and content. I believe > Fripp is starting to sound redundant to me at this point. Hopefully the pendulum > will swing again and I will enjoy many more years of delightful Fripp output. > > I find it somewhat totalitarian though that Fripp expects certain conformities > from his audience without somehow realizing that his audience might expect some > regard for their needs as well. Especially having shelled out their ducats. > > I have my own artistic requirements and expectations of an audience as well, but > I find that it gets quite complicated when I consider the many possible ways in > which people listen and communicate. With that in mind I find it a little harder > to tell them to shut up and listen or some other such dictate. Maybe when I get > completely fed up with their antics, I'll lay down the law as well. More power > to Mr. Fripp. > > Loop on brother... > -Miko Biffle > > >**************************************************************************** > >********* > >**************************************************************************** > >********* > > From: "Liebig, Steuart A." > To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" > Subject: RE: location & Loopers' CD > Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 18:17:26 -0600<>Resent-Message-ID: > <"vt6_M.A.yJF.WJm10"@ferret> > Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2728 > Resent-Sender: SmartList > Resent-To: rphunt@tiac.net > Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 16:29:25 -0800 > > Yeah, I tend to think of loops as being only a small part of the > live/recorded imporvised or composed experience. A small part of the > canvas, sometimes you need to do alot sometimes a little; sometimes > intense noise, sometimes tonal bliss . . . If all you are doing is > looping, well I don't know . . . are you playing music or IC chips? . . > . I only say this because I have friends who have gone this route and > I'm not really sure that it leads to what I consider an important factor > in music: human interaction. (Often have the same problem with totally > pre-recorded concerts or music concrete.) > > > ---------- > > From: Kim Flint > > Reply To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > > Sent: Monday, February 2, 1998 4:04 PM > > To: LiebigSA@maritz.com > > Subject: Re: location & Loopers' CD > > > > At 03:44 PM 2/2/98 EST, paparuda o o wrote: > > > > > > > >yeah! even more, i would actually like to meet other loopers; > > > > I think that is generally a great idea, and probably my biggest > > motivation > > for creating this whole monster of an internet address! Get together! > > Collaborate! Share ideas! Real-live or Virtual! Go forth and Multiply! > > > > > > (pun intended there....) > > > > > > >it's seems to me that most of the loopers are into "ambient" > > >instrumental music. > > > > I'm not. In fact, I'm morally opposed to being an ambient musician. > > What > > others choose to do with their lives is their own business, but I > > resolutely > > refuse to have anything to do with this ambient stuff. I'm deeply > > offended > > by any implication that being into looping means I'm ambient. I'm > > proud of > > my long history here resisting the ambient tyranny that threatens to > > overcome all other loopists! I will also continue to resist shameless > > idol > > worship of this Fripp fellow. Soundscapes, poundcakes. Not for me! > > > > of course, neither of those is as sick as being a deadhead. Those > > maniacs > > are actually planning to open a Grateful Dead theme park in San > > Francisco. > > The apocalypse will arrive none too soon. > > > > this, of course, gets many smiley's: :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) > > > > > > >so, please, if you have a copy of the "loopers CD", or > > >would like to share your (COPYRIGHT protected) looped music > > >can you let me know? > > > > that CD project actually is not yet completed. As I understand, it's > > in a > > bag on someone's shelf awaiting arrival of the still-vaporware-Layla > > sound > > card. Seems likely that CD #2 will arrive before CD #1. > > > > kim > > _______________________________________________________ > > Kim Flint 408-752-9284 > > Mpact Systems Engineering kflint@chromatic.com > > Chromatic Research http://www.chromatic.com > > > > i dont want this shit From ???@??? Tue Feb 03 17:36:59 1998 >From kflint Tue Feb 3 17:18:49 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0xztU3-0003Bc-00; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 17:18:35 -0800 Message-ID: <34D7B747.3BE9@att.net> Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 19:33:11 -0500 From: Peter Ensign Reply-To: peterensign@att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Who's on the forefront of loopmuse? References: <199802032254.OAA19784@waynesworld.ucsd.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"nF3Bi.A.oUB.h6710"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2805 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 17:18:35 -0800 X-UIDL: 2a9edcca110d3bed7cec8d56c5180985 Paolo Valladolid wrote: > > I don't know if this is directly related to the question, but one > interesting application of looping might be in video games. > > One of my roommates likes to play a Playstation game called > "Parappa The Rappa". Parappa is the character you play in this game > (looks like a young relative of Snoopy with a hat on). You help him > rap with the people he encounters (a turnip karate sensei, a cow meter > maid, etc.) by following a visual cue at the top of the screen and > hitting the appropriate buttons in time with the cue and the music. > There is an element of improvisation in that you can introduce a > stuttering effect depending on how quickly you repeatedly hit the buttons > (e.g. Parappa says "Pu-Pu-Punch!" instead of just "Punch!"). At the > right of the screen there's a meter that runs from "You Be Rappin Ill!" > to "You Be Rappin Excellent" or something like that. > > What I find interesting about this game is that it lets people with > no musical training at all get a taste of musical improvisation and > work on their rhythm through a non-standard interface or "instrument". > > Cheers, > > Paolo Valladolid > --------------------------------------------------------------- > |Moderator of Digital Guitar Digest, an Internet mailing list |\ > |for Music Technology and Stringed Instruments | \ > ---------------------------------------------------------------- | > \ finger pvallado@waynesworld.ucsd.edu for more info \ | > \ http://waynesworld.ucsd.edu/DigitalGuitar/home.html \| > ----------------------------------------------------------------- i dont want this shit From ???@??? Tue Feb 03 19:33:02 1998 >From kflint Tue Feb 3 18:31:03 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0xztX7-0003a1-00; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 17:21:45 -0800 Message-ID: <34D7B758.71A7@att.net> Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 19:33:28 -0500 From: Peter Ensign Reply-To: peterensign@att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Who's on the forefront of loopmuse? References: <2.2.32.19980203235737.009acdb0@pop.chromatic.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"edpibD.A.bYB.96710"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2806 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 17:21:45 -0800 X-UIDL: 3b7202d2eeb1c79496667186d93c8836 Kim Flint wrote: > > At 03:50 PM 2/3/98 -0500, John Price wrote: > >Gosh darn it! Im feelin awful chatty today. > > > >The forefront of Looping today is on what most here would undoubtedly > consider the lowbrow side of all things loop that is if you are prone to > categorizing things. > > > >IMHO - It's the dance floor dude that is still driving things loopey for > the majority of the world - Musicians and audiences included. > > I tend to agree with this, although it's not always so lowbrow as you might > think. A lot of that is a bit of a pose, and often times the people behind > it are very sophisticated musicians. The possibilities for innovation and > creativity are huge, and a lot of talented people have moved in that > direction to take advantage of it. Andre did a nice job of commenting on > that, no need for me to add anything there. > > The dance/electronic/hip-hop/etc. scene is definitely where I see all the > innovation in looping as a method, as a process, as a tool, as a type of > music. I see people there constantly pushing to evolve things and do > something different, move it to the next level. The musicians, the audience, > the dj's, and the press all seem to support and encourage that, it's > ingrained in the scene in an interesting and healthy way. Loop concepts grow > by leaps and bounds there. > > Another spot of innovation would be the solo instrumentalists, integrating > loops into compositions and performances in interesting new ways, expanding > their reach. I think you see that here in the many people looping with > fingerstyle guitar, or cello, or voice. Probably there are innovative things > happening in the academic/high-brow world, but I just don't follow that > enough to know. > > Where I don't see much innovation with looping is in the droney guitar loop > scene, the stuff often associated with Fripp. The music may continue to be > vital and interesting, but the use of loops is pretty stagnant and > complacent. Sorry, but I just don't see anyone pushing the looping process > anywhere in that scene. (although it's possible that I just go so bored with > it I stopped paying attention.) > > For me as a developer of loop devices, it is definitely the dance producers > who are driving things. They are the ones forcing the innovation in tools > and driving us with a constant flow of ideas. Trying to understand, meet, > and anticipate their needs so that a looping device might be an effective > instrument in that world is a very tough challenge! And the possibilities > are so huge and fresh, along with the sheer volume of creativity, that the > challenge is really quite exciting and fun. You really get the feeling that > when a new feature is introduced, someone will jump on it and do something > remarkable. > > With the droney guitar loop crowd, most of the push is to get one box that > does all the things that different boxes available 10-20 years ago did. And > that's certainly reasonable, but it's not exactly breaking new ground. You > give them something new and they barely notice, maybe getting around to it > after a few years. (and in 15 years they will just be demanding that feature > in any new device!) > > anyway, that's my take. > > kim > > >Obvious and overexposed Loop Leaders: Beck, Square Pusher, DJ's Spookey & > Shadow (Spelling??) Photek, Puff Daddy ( He aint original and he sure don't > drone. But his loops are in the hands and ears of eager children all across > the world while their $ is secure in his bank account) and The Orb on the > Higher end of low end. > > > >Frankly, I can't nor would I ever dare say that any artist is better than > the other. Its always like a pissing contest. And I cant stand it when > people turn music appreciation into a sport and forum for their own biases > and need to be acknowledged. Just a premonition of how people will respond > to DK's question. > > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: David Kirkdorffer [SMTP:DKirkdorffer@exapps.com] > >Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 1998 1:02 PM > >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > >Subject: Who's on the forefront of loopmuse? > > > >I'll try this again, just to see if this gets picked up. > > > >*So, just for giggles, what / who is on the forefront of "looping-based > >music"?* > >I know this is somewhat an impossible question, but, maybe it's worth > >bashing around for a while. > > > >David Kirkdorffer > > > >Attachment Converted: C:\Program Files\Eudora\Attach\RE Who's on the > forefront of l > > > _______________________________________________________ > Kim Flint 408-752-9284 > Mpact Systems Engineering kflint@chromatic.com > Chromatic Research http://www.chromatic.com i dont want this shit From ???@??? Tue Feb 03 17:36:57 1998 >From kflint Tue Feb 3 17:16:28 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0xztRn-0002tb-00; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 17:16:15 -0800 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 20:01:12 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: David Myers Subject: Loop Home Resent-Message-ID: <"_gO.A.27.z3710"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2800 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 17:16:15 -0800 X-UIDL: a377b01966a1a4f39738cccacdcf8335 Just for the info, I also cannot get in to the Loopers Delight web site as of Feb 03, 8 PM EST. David Myers From ???@??? Tue Feb 03 19:32:47 1998 >From kflint Tue Feb 3 17:47:43 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0xztw7-0006od-00; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 17:47:35 -0800 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19980204010422.009a0848@pop.chromatic.com> X-Sender: kflint@pop.chromatic.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 17:04:22 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: RE: Who's on the forefront of loopmuse? Resent-Message-ID: <"hrYiy.A.9DF.ZY810"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2807 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 17:47:35 -0800 X-UIDL: d06290b420e49cd174d3377a7563e550 At 07:47 PM 2/3/98 -0500, David Kirkdorffer wrote: >If it's the Dance Scene where real innovation is taking place, maybe we >ought to advertise the existence of our loopy-list to a few dance and dj >oriented web-worlds?? I have actually, a little. There are some lurking around, although more would be good and introduce some fresh perspectives. Although, after mentioning it on a dnb producer's list, one fellow checked it out and came back saying it was interesting, but "seemed like just a bunch of fripp-heads." (read that as, "only dinosaurs there") After the past couple of days, it's hard to disagree! kim _______________________________________________________ Kim Flint 408-752-9284 Mpact Systems Engineering kflint@chromatic.com Chromatic Research http://www.chromatic.com From ???@??? Tue Feb 03 17:37:00 1998 >From kflint Tue Feb 3 17:19:56 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0xztV8-0003KG-00; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 17:19:42 -0800 Message-ID: From: David Kirkdorffer To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: FW: Who's on the forefront of loopmuse? Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 20:05:58 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"wbegAC.A.cRB.L6710"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2804 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 17:19:42 -0800 X-UIDL: 80589ba212d52fbe1c0e202fd75cc648 I mostly agree with what you say here. I was hoping to get us all thinking critically about what in Art would probably be called Critical Theory. Conferring issues with value based on the new ideas they contain. So who has been creating new ideas with looping? Who is expanding the looping genre? Who has been adding new twists to what has been done? It's not the amount of technology used - we all agree on that I suspect. But without a certain aspect of technology none of this would be possible. If it's the Dance Scene where real innovation is taking place, maybe we ought to advertise the existence of our loopy-list to a few dance and dj oriented web-worlds?? David -----Original Message----- From: Kim Flint [SMTP:kflint@chromatic.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 1998 6:58 PM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com; 'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com' Subject: RE: Who's on the forefront of loopmuse? At 03:50 PM 2/3/98 -0500, John Price wrote: >Gosh darn it! Im feelin awful chatty today. > >The forefront of Looping today is on what most here would undoubtedly consider the lowbrow side of all things loop that is if you are prone to categorizing things. > >IMHO - It's the dance floor dude that is still driving things loopey for the majority of the world - Musicians and audiences included. I tend to agree with this, although it's not always so lowbrow as you might think. A lot of that is a bit of a pose, and often times the people behind it are very sophisticated musicians. The possibilities for innovation and creativity are huge, and a lot of talented people have moved in that direction to take advantage of it. Andre did a nice job of commenting on that, no need for me to add anything there. The dance/electronic/hip-hop/etc. scene is definitely where I see all the innovation in looping as a method, as a process, as a tool, as a type of music. I see people there constantly pushing to evolve things and do something different, move it to the next level. The musicians, the audience, the dj's, and the press all seem to support and encourage that, it's ingrained in the scene in an interesting and healthy way. Loop concepts grow by leaps and bounds there. Another spot of innovation would be the solo instrumentalists, integrating loops into compositions and performances in interesting new ways, expanding their reach. I think you see that here in the many people looping with fingerstyle guitar, or cello, or voice. Probably there are innovative things happening in the academic/high-brow world, but I just don't follow that enough to know. Where I don't see much innovation with looping is in the droney guitar loop scene, the stuff often associated with Fripp. The music may continue to be vital and interesting, but the use of loops is pretty stagnant and complacent. Sorry, but I just don't see anyone pushing the looping process anywhere in that scene. (although it's possible that I just go so bored with it I stopped paying attention.) For me as a developer of loop devices, it is definitely the dance producers who are driving things. They are the ones forcing the innovation in tools and driving us with a constant flow of ideas. Trying to understand, meet, and anticipate their needs so that a looping device might be an effective instrument in that world is a very tough challenge! And the possibilities are so huge and fresh, along with the sheer volume of creativity, that the challenge is really quite exciting and fun. You really get the feeling that when a new feature is introduced, someone will jump on it and do something remarkable. With the droney guitar loop crowd, most of the push is to get one box that does all the things that different boxes available 10-20 years ago did. And that's certainly reasonable, but it's not exactly breaking new ground. You give them something new and they barely notice, maybe getting around to it after a few years. (and in 15 years they will just be demanding that feature in any new device!) anyway, that's my take. kim >Obvious and overexposed Loop Leaders: Beck, Square Pusher, DJ's Spookey & Shadow (Spelling??) Photek, Puff Daddy ( He aint original and he sure don't drone. But his loops are in the hands and ears of eager children all across the world while their $ is secure in his bank account) and The Orb on the Higher end of low end. > >Frankly, I can't nor would I ever dare say that any artist is better than the other. Its always like a pissing contest. And I cant stand it when people turn music appreciation into a sport and forum for their own biases and need to be acknowledged. Just a premonition of how people will respond to DK's question. > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: David Kirkdorffer [SMTP:DKirkdorffer@exapps.com] >Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 1998 1:02 PM >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Subject: Who's on the forefront of loopmuse? > >I'll try this again, just to see if this gets picked up. > >*So, just for giggles, what / who is on the forefront of "looping-based >music"?* >I know this is somewhat an impossible question, but, maybe it's worth >bashing around for a while. > >David Kirkdorffer > >Attachment Converted: C:\Program Files\Eudora\Attach\RE Who's on the forefront of l > _______________________________________________________ Kim Flint 408-752-9284 Mpact Systems Engineering kflint@chromatic.com Chromatic Research http://www.chromatic.com From ???@??? Tue Feb 03 19:32:57 1998 >From kflint Tue Feb 3 18:24:50 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0xzuW2-0003WC-00; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 18:24:42 -0800 Message-ID: <34D7C3C5.51FA@dmans.com> Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 19:26:29 -0600 From: "Mikell D. Nelson" Reply-To: mnelson@dmans.com Organization: Boomerang Musical Products X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Location/MABEY YOU CAN HELP US?. References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"r6CzwC.A.tYC.n9810"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2812 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 18:24:42 -0800 X-UIDL: 89fd271d6d46b0234250f3d5d020887e > I perform with electric bird noise which is basically my solo gig but once in > a while ebn does perform as a duo. We are looking into doing a tour of the > northeast around April/May. I noticed there are quite a few of you on this list > that reside in the northeast region. We are seeking information on > clubs, coffehouses, anywere that may be loop friendly. Brian, Give these guys a call. Jammin' Java, 6 Chester Plaza, Chester, MD 21619; 410-604-0070, tel; 410-604-0072, fax. Brian Bowdren is probably th eguy to talk to. http://www.jamminjava.com Motley From ???@??? Tue Feb 03 19:32:52 1998 >From kflint Tue Feb 3 17:58:10 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0xzu69-0000Kx-00; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 17:57:57 -0800 Message-ID: <01BD30E2.41DCBF50@TD-300> From: jprice@intcpi.com (John Price) To: "'loopers-delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Who's on the forefront of loopmuse? Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 20:28:14 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"O_JirB.A.ryF.Ue810"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2811 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 17:57:57 -0800 X-UIDL: 0552a98aa52ad18cb991013a6c2dacbb I completely forgot about the Chemical ( Dust Bros.). Good point. Also, I guess there are more dance-loop enthusiasts here than what I had previously assumed. Square Pusher was thrown into the fray beacause of the Press and kudos a lot of young kids seem to bestow upon him locally in Philly. I live in Downtwn and all the College Stations ie. Drexel's KDU, Princeton's 103.3 and King Britt and Josh Winks dance/trance shops are big into what he's layin down. And yes, I too payed like $22 bucks for his latest disc, ouch!! But I dig it a lot. So if something is intentionally commercial and meant for mass markets - does that mean that it inherently can't be leading edge or pioneering and ultimately flawed ??? Follow that tag and then ask yourself where & when do u make such "distinctions" ???? Can distinctions truly ever be made ??? And based on what criteria & particular consensus of conventional thought and criticism would suffice for such a categorization of ground breaking as opposed to something that is perceived to be static ?? And true just because someone is selling a lot of "product" doesn't make them an authority or a lightning rod with their pulse on trigger of what people want or need. Big Acts sell "product" because someone decided they would happen and secondly, someone spent a heck of a lot of dough on making sure they did happen and happen big. So, does the ground have to really break for something to be considered a "right on time release" ??? And if your looking for the ground to open up does it necessarily have to crack open on its surface ? My humble perception is that there are only our individual and perhaps not so humble perceptions ( tatstes are a different beast altogether ). Despite our perceptions music has a place, time and context for infinite people, places & responses. Don't we need all of it - good and bad - liked and disliked - to define the rest of whats to come ?? BTW, Mention Fripp's name and gee, theres always a controversy or an extended dialog thats full of strong and deeply help positions. Its amazing to observe the effect this man has on people. -----Original Message----- From: Andre LaFosse [SMTP:altruist@earthlink.net] Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 1998 5:54 PM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Who's on the forefront of loopmuse? Gotta add a few cents in: John Price wrote: > The forefront of Looping today is on what most here would undoubtedly > consider the lowbrow side of all things loop that is if you are prone > to categorizing things. Actually, there are quite a few of us on the list who are very much into the so-called "lowbrow" side of electronic music; there are also a few rather high-profile members of that "community" on the list. > IMHO - It's the dance floor dude that is still driving things loopey > for the majority of the world - Musicians and audiences included. There's no doubt that loop-driven music is pretty much the mainstream right now. You can't go near the top 40 without some sort of sample-based rap or R&B tune rearing its head. But I think there's a distinction to be made between something which is at the forefront of music commerce (i.e. what's selling to a lot of people) as opposed to something that's pushing the envelope of the art or craft of music in itself, which is often (and usually) very far removed from the mainstream. I'm assuming that it's the latter of these two that fostered the original post in this thread. > Obvious and overexposed Loop Leaders: Beck, I think you've got to factor Beck's co-producers into the picture as well: Carl Stephenson on _Mellow Gold_ and the Dust Brothers for most of _Odelay_. I'm not familiar with his more obscure independent releases, but my general impression (which I'll happily have disproven by anyone more well-acquainted with his work than I am) is that Beck's primarily a singer-songwriter, albiet of a wonderfully eccentric persuasion, who gets a lot of his cut-and-paste aesthetic from production collaborators. > Square Pusher, Squarepusher overexposed?! Here in America, the only way you can get hold of any of his recordings is via usually pricey British imports. Granted, 60,000 copies of _Hard Normal Daddy_ sold in the UK is quite a feat for music as angular as his, but I would definitely have to say that he's a long way from being even a mainstream artist in terms of his recognition factor within the drum-n-bass scene (to which he's only marginally a "part" of, anyway), which in itself has a very low profile relative to your typical pop music (again, this is from an American point of view. Keep in mind that Goldie only sold in the low 10,000's with _Timeless_.) Also worth noting is that Tom Jenkinson (the man behind the Squarepusher alias) goes out of his way to avoid looping in much of his programming; he deliberately programs out all of his drum patterns manually, making sure to rarely if ever repeat a pattern. It's a very different aesthetic than your standard hypnotic loop music, and in fact one of the first criticisms he recieved was that his rhythms didn't repeat enough. > Puff Daddy ( He aint original and he sure don't drone. But his loops > are in the hands and ears of eager children all across the world while > their $ is secure in his bank account) This gets back to the issue of how you're identifying the "forefront" of this sort of music-making approach. He's selling an obscene anount of records, it's true, but from a musical point of view, he's not doing anything in terms of the construction or mechanics of his music that weren't being done at least 15 years ago by hip-hop producers with more creativity, less showbiz savvy, and a smaller budget to pay for obvious sample-clearance royalties. > and The Orb on the Higher end of low end. Has anyone heard the collaboration Phillip Glass did with Richard "Aphex Twin" James a few years ago? The distinction between the "high" and "low" aspects of this music (and music in general) gets more and more blurry (not to mention useless) as more and more "serious" composers emerge with a strong background of rock and jazz in their past. I actually saw a very amusing article in a mag a few months ago (I think it was _Option_) in which a reporter played Phillip Glass a number of CDs by the likes of Orbital, Underworld, Mu-Ziq, and others to gauge his reaction. Some funny stuff in there... --Andre LaFosse From ???@??? Tue Feb 03 10:03:01 1998 >From kflint Tue Feb 3 08:34:07 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0xzlIU-0003hY-00; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 08:34:06 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19980203180241.317f797e@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> X-Sender: pycraft@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (16) Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 18:02:41 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: "Michael P. Hughes, Ph.D." Subject: Re: Simm sound In-Reply-To: <19980203152648.22198.qmail@omni1.voicenet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"RHO25B.A.mIC.MS010"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2763 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 08:34:06 -0800 X-UIDL: c59b20851b07061711334456d9522a5a Floyd: > Wanna talk vintage?? >>I have a 64 bit tube RAM. This beauty, circa 1954, still works >and I have easily retro-fitted its cable to a simm socket. >You wouldn't beleive it but to hear it, but the 44 millisecond >access time actually works well to provide just the right high >frequency roll-off in the digital domain to supress quantization >and nyquist noise. The power supply is a bitch, though. Oh yeah? Well, I've got the full 1959 Tube JamGent! 32 seconds of stereo looping, and enough valves to light up the street! The only effect box you _drive_ on stage! Hell, when I need more portablility I just dig out my Les Paulveriser!!! Michael PS this is getting silly.... From ???@??? Tue Feb 03 19:32:51 1998 >From kflint Tue Feb 3 17:57:19 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0xzu5Q-0000FN-00; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 17:57:12 -0800 X-Sender: matthias@pop3.bahianet.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <98Feb3.092354est.18840@thicket.arbortext.com> References: <2.2.32.19980203065005.00a2b354@pop.chromatic.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 23:47:29 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias Grob) Subject: "global english" / 60 mails/day Resent-Message-ID: <"SfIueC.A.erF.jd810"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2808 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 17:57:12 -0800 X-UIDL: 8b7bccf1507d303932bdbb381a91f972 >I tried starting an Ambient Garth Brooks cover band over a year ago. No one >would where the hat. >(hat...cover...thinkaboutit) Isn't it "wear"? Or is that part of a joke I did not grab? This triggers a concern that circulates in my head for a while: You know, I like slangs and try to follow and have good laughs sometimes, but please consider the difficulty for the few not native americans that still take their time to discover the meanings behind the often "smart chat" on this list in up to 60 mails/day. It is sad, but it takes a simple short "global english" to keep the group international. Looping definitally is not a typically american thing, even though american enterprises were the first to risk an investment (after I took the risk to develop the LOOP delay in switzerland :-) I do not want to cut the "art" aspect of emailing, but I want all interested people from any place of the globe to be able to read all mails, to follow and to feel fine to make their contribution in their "non smart" style. Please cut a thin slice of a solid simple bread that we can hold and that contains all the essence of nuriture you want to contribute and then put some jam on top if you like to make it more tasty - for those who want it and can understand it. And yes, sometimes it takes rereading and elaborating the mail... many will read it, after all, maybe years from now... Just searching for ways to make a beautifull list shine even more Matthias From ???@??? Tue Feb 03 19:32:50 1998 >From kflint Tue Feb 3 17:57:27 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0xzu5X-0000GH-00; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 17:57:19 -0800 X-Sender: matthias@pop3.bahianet.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.19980202233202.009a15f8@pop.chromatic.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 23:47:39 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias Grob) Subject: Re: Loopers' CD Resent-Message-ID: <"vspzHC.A.jtF.yd810"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2810 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 17:57:19 -0800 X-UIDL: 86440acdbce2823d6283b7aea37bed9d >>so, please, if you have a copy of the "loopers CD", or >>would like to share your (COPYRIGHT protected) looped music >>can you let me know? > >that CD project actually is not yet completed. As I understand, it's in a >bag on someone's shelf awaiting arrival of the still-vaporware-Layla sound >card. Seems likely that CD #2 will arrive before CD #1. Not that bad. Ray wrote on Jan 29th: " BTW, tonight I picked up the CD-R of the unedited tracks of the other folks' submissions. I'm going to listen to those + yours at work tomorrow, and maybe start the sequencing tomorrow night. ...I'll have the disks out by Monday. " That would be yesterday! Maybe its a good moment for those who are interested in CD #1 to mail to: Ray Peck Matthias From ???@??? Tue Feb 03 19:32:53 1998 >From kflint Tue Feb 3 17:58:16 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0xzu6G-0000MY-00; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 17:58:04 -0800 X-Sender: matthias@pop3.bahianet.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 23:47:39 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias Grob) Subject: Re: Re: Re: Different EBows Resent-Message-ID: <"rPTTHB.A.LtF.wd810"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2809 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 17:58:04 -0800 X-UIDL: 46d06e73eb636804a5f95b4e2dae2d96 >once upon a time, steinberger sound (via gibson corp's mgmt & dough) funded >the building of a prototype guitar (by bob wolstein) w/selectably polyphonic, >in-built string drivers (ie, "e-bows"). Wow, an old dream of mine: To pick up with piezos, filter perfectly separated strings and drive a magnet. No direct feedback from piezo to magnet, all under control. The actual sound can still come from a magnetic pickup. What a pity steinberger did not make it! Did they use piezos in that prototype? I met Mr. Steinberger once, years ago, and was deeply impressed. A real and serious inventor - able to bring to the market some part of what he creates - the most important contributions to guitar after Fender and LesPaul. >insofar as i know (& much to ned steinberger's great chagrin), mr. henry j. @ >gibson stopped the project before completion; i believe that after a year >transpired, ownership rights were supposed to revert to the estimable mr. >wolstein. >just a l'il tale, for ya's..... >best, >david torn Somewhat familiar tale. Mr. Wolstein would need a Kim Flint who has all this ability to convince mr. Henry about what are directions into the future :-) Then again, it must be a horrible responsability to guide such a big enterprise... Matthias From ???@??? Tue Feb 03 22:36:43 1998 >From kflint Tue Feb 3 19:57:36 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0xzvxt-00050H-00; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 19:57:33 -0800 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19980204035100.0067cf58@tiac.net> X-Sender: rphunt@tiac.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 22:51:00 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Reginald Hunt Subject: Who's on the forefront of loopmuse? Resent-Message-ID: <"QtcuVB.A.L_D.eX-10"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2813 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 19:57:33 -0800 X-UIDL: 7a0875bbdbdf237f37920ab3beb94c7f Well, other than Ebows, mixers, equipment for sale, cheap RAM, David Torn, Buckethead, Terry Riley, Philip Glass, South Park (?!?), Porn stars, NAMM, what would you like to discuss? When is the Looper's Delight page coming back? Reg *************************************************************** X-Sender: kflint@pop.chromatic.com Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 17:04:22 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: RE: Who's on the forefront of loopmuse? Resent-Message-ID: <"hrYiy.A.9DF.ZY810"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2807 Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: rphunt@tiac.net Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 17:48:57 -0800 At 07:47 PM 2/3/98 -0500, David Kirkdorffer wrote: >If it's the Dance Scene where real innovation is taking place, maybe we >ought to advertise the existence of our loopy-list to a few dance and dj >oriented web-worlds?? I have actually, a little. There are some lurking around, although more would be good and introduce some fresh perspectives. Although, after mentioning it on a dnb producer's list, one fellow checked it out and came back saying it was interesting, but "seemed like just a bunch of fripp-heads." (read that as, "only dinosaurs there") After the past couple of days, it's hard to disagree! kim _______________________________________________________ Kim Flint 408-752-9284 Mpact Systems Engineering kflint@chromatic.com Chromatic Research http://www.chromatic.com From ???@??? Tue Feb 03 22:36:52 1998 >From kflint Tue Feb 3 20:16:29 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0xzwG8-0006xV-00; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 20:16:24 -0800 Message-ID: <34D7EA02.2A4CE190@bellsouth.net> Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 23:09:38 -0500 From: Jeff Duke Reply-To: jmar@bellsouth.net Organization: Tec Bab Labs X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Who's on the forefront of loopmuse? References: <1.5.4.32.19980204035100.0067cf58@tiac.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"UrHZsD.A.KnF.xm-10"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2815 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 20:16:24 -0800 X-UIDL: 3f2286fb39e7fb30f8be41c71f56619d I think you have the best line on it Reg,I say its getting to be like being in a band,everybody has an opinion and we need to cut some slack here and there.By the way,do you like South Park? Jeff Reginald Hunt wrote: > Well, other than Ebows, mixers, equipment for sale, cheap RAM, David Torn, > Buckethead, Terry Riley, Philip Glass, South Park (?!?), Porn stars, NAMM, > what would you like to discuss? > > When is the Looper's Delight page coming back? > > Reg > > *************************************************************** > X-Sender: kflint@pop.chromatic.com > Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 17:04:22 -0800 > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > From: Kim Flint > Subject: RE: Who's on the forefront of loopmuse? > Resent-Message-ID: <"hrYiy.A.9DF.ZY810"@ferret> > Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2807 > Resent-Sender: SmartList > Resent-To: rphunt@tiac.net > Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 17:48:57 -0800 > > At 07:47 PM 2/3/98 -0500, David Kirkdorffer wrote: > >If it's the Dance Scene where real innovation is taking place, maybe we > >ought to advertise the existence of our loopy-list to a few dance and dj > >oriented web-worlds?? > > I have actually, a little. There are some lurking around, although more > would be good and introduce some fresh perspectives. Although, after > mentioning it on a dnb producer's list, one fellow checked it out and came > back saying it was interesting, but "seemed like just a bunch of > fripp-heads." (read that as, "only dinosaurs there") After the past couple > of days, it's hard to disagree! > > kim > _______________________________________________________ > Kim Flint 408-752-9284 > Mpact Systems Engineering kflint@chromatic.com > Chromatic Research http://www.chromatic.com From ???@??? Tue Feb 03 22:36:49 1998 >From kflint Tue Feb 3 20:13:30 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0xzwDG-0006a8-00; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 20:13:26 -0800 Message-ID: <34D7EA3B.3812@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 20:12:22 -0800 From: Andre LaFosse Reply-To: altruist@earthlink.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-MACOS8 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Who's on the forefront of loopmuse? References: <01BD30E2.41DCBF50@TD-300> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"xneMKB.A.KWF.qk-10"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2814 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 20:13:26 -0800 X-UIDL: 6c177a67584274abe378b9bf229f37e5 Warning: This is long and not altogether loop-based. John Price wrote: [Re: Squarepusher] > I live in Downtwn and all the College Stations ie. Drexel's KDU, > Princeton's 103.3 and King Britt and Josh Winks dance/trance shops are > big into what he's layin down. And yes, I too payed like $22 bucks for > his latest disc, ouch!! But I dig it a lot. I see what you mean here. I'd still have to single him out as pretty obscure by comparison to other artists of that ilk, though. Goldie's mug has been on half the music magazines released over the last month in anticipation of his new record (just out today, in fact), and Rupert Parkes has gotten numerous write-ups in the aftermath of _Modus Operandi_ being released. By comparison, I've only ever found two print articles about Tom Jenkinson; everything else has been online at fan-created web sites. > So if something is intentionally commercial and meant for mass markets > - does that mean that it inherently can't be leading edge or > pioneering and ultimately flawed ??? No, not necessarily. In recent "pop" terms, one example that comes to mind is the Beatles' career during the latter part of their existence, when they were releasing truly groundbreaking and experimental records like _Sgt. Pepper_ or _The White Album_ to one of the most largest and most ravenous fan bases in music history. Or look at Miles Davis' _Bitches Brew_, which was the biggest-selling jazz album in history up to that point, even as it infuriated countless members of the jazz establishment and almost single-handedly invented fusion (though to be fair, one would have to reference the bands of Larry Coryell and Tony Williams with John McLaughlin, both of which predated _Bitches' Brew_, in assessing the development of fusion). But I would also say that more often than not, the things that tend to reach the mass market are those which are essentially distillations of work that other people have done the real development on. It's very rarely the groundbreaking, experimental efforts that crack the public consciousness; it's more often works that are able to find a more generally accessible slant that somehow translates into mass appeal. And this can be a very ephemeral, unexpected thing. For instance, you can look at the success of Nirvana in 1991, who of course instigated one of the most radical sea-changes in recent popular music history. But behind every Nirvana (or Soundgarden, or Pearl Jam) are dozens of bands like the Pixies, Mother Love Bone, Skin Yard, Green River, Mudhoney, and the Melvins who were direct inspirations to the likes of Kurt Cobain and Eddie Vedder. That's not to say that the bigger-name alternative bands are less musical or less interesting than their forefathers (though that issue can be and has been debated endlessly); it simply means that they were able to carry into mass consciousness a sound that had been pioneered by other people. And I would personally say that a lot of the success of the "bigger" bands has to do with elements of accessibility and image which were very real (though not necessarily fabricated or planned). Kurt Cobain wrote some very catchy and unique songs, which bridged the gap between what would come to be termed "grunge" and the mass-market. Chris Cornell and Eddie Vedder had a rock-star frontman magnetism that translated to a certain portion of the record-buying populace. (And no, that's not a criticism of either band). Industrial music is another good example. The success of Trent Reznor in the early '90s represented a breakthrough in terms of the mass acceptance of that music, but Reznor openly ackowledges that his main contribution to the genre is to put a more song-oriented spin on an approach developed by the likes of Skinny Puppy and MInistry, who in turn were themselves taking cues from the likes of Einsturbenze Neubauten and Throbbing Gristle. You can sing along to the lyrics of "Closer" while you dance to the disco beat; that's something that can't be so easilly said about songs from _VIVIsectVI_ or _The Land Of Rape And Honey_. You can look at what's happening right now with "electronica" (what an ugly word!) in the US as another example. The groups that are breaking through in terms of sales and visibility are either acts like Prodigy and (to a lesser extent) Chemical Brothers, who have a certain amount of accessibility to their more well-known work (i.e. singers/rappers, and, in the case of Prodigy in particular, a very canny sense of image, controversy, and marketing), or else one of the seemingly dozens of female-fronted/electronic-backed groups like Hooverphonic, Lamb, Sneaker Pimps, Morcheeba, Mono, Olive, or Dubstar who have emerged in the wake of Portishead. Along similar lines, I think you've got to factor Goldie's photogenic image and penchant for vocal-oriented music into the equation when you consider why he's the guy most people in the mainstream associate with jungle. Again, I'm not saying that any of the above groups are making bad music whatsoever (personally, I'd rather listen to Liam Howlett's programming over a lot of the more underground favorites I've heard). But the point is that a lot of people (myself included, to a certain degree) are hearing these sorts of acts without ever finding out about people like Derrick May, Grooverider, Carl Craig, The Orb, Kraftwerk, Can, or other artists who helped define the vocabulary that the more mainstream-approved electronic acts are currently speaking in. > Follow that tag and then ask yourself where & when do u make such > "distinctions" ???? Can distinctions truly ever be made ??? And based > on what criteria & particular consensus of conventional thought and > criticism would suffice for such a categorization of ground breaking > as opposed to something that is perceived to be static ?? Everything I'm saying is, of course, my own opinion, and nothing more or less than that. I certainly don't presume to think that anyting I'm talking about is going to be incontrovertible fact. In answer to your above query with regards to what sorts of criteria to use in determining whether or not something is "ground-breaking": I personally make that judgement in terms of what I hear in some bit of music that seems to have some genuine innovation or experimentation to it, and I make *that* judgement based upon what I know of the history behind that particular area of music. Let's take your Puff Daddy example. In my opinion, there's nothing he's doing that hasn't been done before at least as well as he does it. What do I base this judgement on? >From a strictly musical perspective, he takes a very straightforward approach to using samples: a few very long fragments from (often well-known) sources which are sampled and looped into a new composite creation. If you look at the history of hip-hop sampling, and more specifically at records like _Paul's Boutique_ (the Dust Brothers) or _It Takes A Nation of Millions To Hold Us Back_ and _Fear Of A Black Planet_ (The Bomb Squad), what Sean Combs is doing is very, very rudimentary and simplistic by comparison. And the most recent of the three records I mentioned above came out in 1989. You could make the argument that his wholesale mutation of lines from other pop songs ("Every Breath You Take" or "Been Around The World," for example) is an innovation, but this sort of appropriation actually predates sampling. Before scratching and sampling was so widespread, embryonic hip-hop artists would simply put together a live band which would play someone else's groove as if it were their own! >From a more personal perspective, I personally don't hear anything in his music that's liable to last any longer than the various hip-hop pop sensations that have come before him: MC Hammer, Arrested Development, Young MC, Tone Loc, Vanilla Ice, Digable Planets, etc. I've also noticed that, in the case of acts like Ice Cube and Dr. Dre, the records that sent them into the highest level of prominence and mass appeal tended to be the ones that I personally found the least musically and artistically inventive and satisfying. I basically stopped listening to hip-hop (or at least new hip-hop) around 1993 or 1994, simply because the slant that the music was taking didn't grab me as much; more specifically, I felt that the rhythms were slowing down and becoming less complex and compelling, the use of samples was getting less imaginative and kalliadescopic, and the lyrical style was becoming less animated and adventurous overall. That was the same time that records like _The Chronic_, _Cypress Hill_, and _The Predator_ started making serious inroads into the mass consciousness. But again, this is all my own strictly personal opinion, which I have no empirical evidence to substantiate factually. > And true just because someone is selling a lot of "product" doesn't > make them an authority or a lightning rod with their pulse on trigger > of what people want or need. Big Acts sell "product" because someone > decided they would happen and secondly, someone spent a heck of a lot > of dough on making sure they did happen and happen big. I have to disagree with this. Look again at the example of Nirvana. In late 1991, it would have been *unthinkable* that a band that sounded and looked like they did would upset Michael Jackson from the #1 spot on the Billboard album charts. In September of 1991, _Rolling Stone_ magazine ran a cover story called "Heavy Metal Nation," an in-depth examination of the then-reigning hair-metal movement; the issue featured a shirtless, gold-lame-pants-wearing Sebastian Bach (of metal band Skid Row) striking a serpentine pose across the front of the publication. This was within one month of _Nevermind_'s release -- right before the walls fell. While heavy metal ruled the roost, DGC expected the Nirvana album sales to peak out around 200,000 at most. Likewise, simply "deciding" that something will be a big deal and pushing massive amounts of cash into it don't always add up to sales. Look at Raddish, a sort of alternative-rock slant on Hanson (for lack of a better description), made up of three teenage guys and fronted by a young songwriter hailed by many to be the next Kurt Cobain. A massive major label bidding war ensued, which resulted in a highly lucrative deal for the band. Total number of copies of Raddish's debut album sold to date: Approximately 12,000. . A recent _Entertainment Weekly_ issue held similarly strange sales figures. Try these on for size: 867,000 for the Rolling Stones' _Bridges To Babylon_; 548,000 for Elton John's _The Big Picture_; 180,000 for Michael Jackson's _Blood On The Dance Floor_; 53,000 for Bobby Brown's _Forever_. On the other hand, who on earth would have predicted in 1997 that a 15-year-old band of British Anarchist squatters with a goofy name and overt political agendas would move 2 million copies in three months? So my long-coming point here is that, in spite of the big-budget push that world-famous acts can get from major labels, people will often wind up making up their own mind about what to listen to. So if someone does in fact sell massive amounts of product, there can be made an assumption that there is, in fact, a certain tangible connection being made with where the "pulse" of the general populace is at that moment -- which would seem to be further corroborated by the rather dismal sales figures of the aforementioned once-huge sellers listed above. > So, does the ground have to really break for something to be > considered a "right on time release" ??? No. What I'm trying to say, in fact, is that innovation in an area generally happens significantly earlier than the ensuing widespread mass success. > And if your looking for the ground to open up does it necessarily have > to crack open on its surface ? I'm not sure exactly what you're asking here, but as a resident of Los Angeles, I have a rather different take on the notion of the ground "opening up," as it were... > Don't we need all of it - good and bad - liked and disliked - to > define the rest of whats to come ?? In spite of my aforementioned, grotesquely lengthy, analytical espousal, I'd like to think that we don't need to worry about defining what's to come (or what's already here, for that matter). The music, when it does come, generally speaks for itself -- and often may have something altogether unexpected to say when it does in fact show up. --Andre From ???@??? Tue Feb 03 22:36:53 1998 >From kflint Tue Feb 3 20:36:36 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0xzwZe-00018C-00; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 20:36:34 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: looping as sin Message-ID: <19980203.231650.4951.1.DOINA@juno.com> References: <1.5.4.32.19980203223054.0066b87c@tiac.net> X-Mailer: Juno 1.38 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-3,5,7-26 From: doina@juno.com (paparuda von doina) Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 23:18:12 EST Resent-Message-ID: <"ldC7QC.A.to.K9-10"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2816 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 20:36:34 -0800 X-UIDL: e8693d0f52a4923ea8c858742c33e7f6 On Tue, 03 Feb 1998 Reginald Hunt writes: >Fripp (again? oh please!) has never been about being a >Looper, either. For him it is a method, not the point. So, for the LOOPERS the point is not the MUSIC, but the LOOPING, or, as someone else has noticed earlier, playing ICs (and SIMMs) !!! Oh! what am i going to do? i'm doomed ! Please, Reggie, have mercy! i promise to unsubscribe from this unholy site! Paparuda _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From ???@??? Tue Feb 03 22:36:54 1998 >From kflint Tue Feb 3 20:45:28 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0xzwiE-00025n-00; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 20:45:26 -0800 Message-ID: <34D7EC0E.43FB@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 20:18:21 -0800 From: Andre LaFosse Reply-To: altruist@earthlink.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-MACOS8 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: PS Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"mDr59B.A.anB.oG_10"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2817 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 20:45:26 -0800 X-UIDL: 2240f713b02304927a92030015237c31 My ISP seems to have hiccupped, so my apologies to you all if you wind up getting two copies of my last post. And double apologies to Peter Ensign if he does not, in fact, want this shit! --A From ???@??? Tue Feb 03 22:37:00 1998 >From kflint Tue Feb 3 22:04:48 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0xzxx1-0000it-00; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 22:04:47 -0800 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19980204060052.0066b5f8@tiac.net> X-Sender: rphunt@tiac.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 04 Feb 1998 01:00:52 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Reginald Hunt Subject: ambient & otherwise Resent-Message-ID: <"LPVmf.A.5X.SRA20"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2818 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 22:04:47 -0800 X-UIDL: b19ca8639e79dec837bac10568dce0bf Response to Miko Biffle: >>Unfortunately, the human animal can suffer from the tendency to follow >>sheep-like (or lemming-like). Ambient music has suffered from its contingent >>of brain dead devotees, as has Fripp. Originally, ambient music was not >>intended as a hypnotic tranquilizer (which looping inherently lends itself >>to). It was meant as music which operates equally on different levels of >>awareness simultaneously. Persons who assume that loopers are into ambient >>music by default, are a type of bigot. But don't damn a style of music for >>that. >Does this imply that 'bad' ambient music has actually impaired our ability to >perceive Mr. Fripp? How nasty of the mediocrities. >I'm not sure how 'ambient' music was originally intended. Was there a group >charter for the genre or something? Or are we now following sheep-like, some >authority on the subject? I'd like to think that even the most unassuming person >who purchases *any* cheesy sounds to alter their environment, is somehow taking >a rather active measure to alter their experience somehow. Most commendable! I'm not referring to good or bad anything. Even the herd-instinct has value. But, like any other music form, heavy-metal, dance, whatever, ambient gets a bad reputation from a certain segment of the audience and performers who cause it to stagnate. To get a feel for ambient's original goal, Eno is always a good source. Ther are some web sites that feature useful quotes of his. >Bigot? Let they without sin cast the first stone! Those mindless drones have >infected us all... Animals indeed! My use of the word "bigot" goes by its strict definition. It is not a sin, but is indeed a mindset (again by definition). >>Fripp has always been an acquired taste. His explorations extend beyond >>music per se. He has always questioned the audience-performer relationship, >>and the effect of the music business on musicians. His actions at >>performances are reflective of all that and probably more. He's never been >>about being a "hot" player. The many comments I've seen here and elsewhere >>asking why he doesn't "rip it up", or about him leavng the stage and >>observing the audience, shows a lack of understanding about the artist. >To believe that I don't understand the artist because I have preferences as to what I might experience at a performance seems a little PC to me. Again, by definition, if the preferences don't truly apply to the artist, e.g. Fripp bashing out "Lark's Tongues" at a Soundscapes performance (which I have seen emails about in other places), then it's a lack of understanding. >I've been able >to enjoy the vast differences in much of Fripps output. Fripp doesn't have to >always rip, but if I shell out to go see him, I'm hoping I might get some tiny >portion that which I know to also be alive somewhere in his soul as well. After >all the pendulum does swing both ways. Fripp himself freely admits that there is no guarantee in regards to his performances, that anyone who purchases a ticket probably knows this, and if they don't, oh well. I've read correspondance he had with some one who complained so bitterly about his responsibilities to audience expectation that he sent them a refund on the condition they never attend one of his shows again. Also, his soul definitely does come through his Soundscapes. It may not rock, but it comes through. >Did you study with Mr. Fripp or what? Nope. >I've found that as I've grown older, I sometimes have to cut to the chase a >little quicker than I used to. If I lack understanding about Fripp as an artist >because I hope to see him in a comfortable, non-combative setting, which might >allow for undistracted listening, then so be it. Let me be 'responsible' for my >own listening experience without dictating to me. Maybe I'm just an old >intolerant fart as well. Who am I to dictate? I don't think the idea is to remove the rules, only to change them. And, indeed, he his assigning more responsibility to the audience. >If lectures become a larger part of other artists performances, I may begin >having a harder time enjoying them as well. Although I might actually pursue >some artists due to their engaging communication style and content. I believe >Fripp is starting to sound redundant to me at this point. Hopefully the pendulum >will swing again and I will enjoy many more years of delightful Fripp output. Fripp will always be part teacher, I think. >I find it somewhat totalitarian though that Fripp expects certain conformities >from his audience without somehow realizing that his audience might expect some >regard for their needs as well. Especially having shelled out their ducats. See Fripp for Fripp. Not what you need. You might get even more. Reg From ???@??? Tue Feb 03 17:35:11 1998 >From kflint Tue Feb 3 12:28:35 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0xzoxL-0001jD-00; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 12:28:31 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19980203220109.0f0f4106@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> X-Sender: pycraft@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (16) Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 22:01:09 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: "Michael P. Hughes, Ph.D." Subject: Re: Who's on the forefront of loopmuse? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"1RYa3C.A.7v.Zx310"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2788 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 12:28:31 -0800 X-UIDL: ded6ebc8f05006c59914ba7765cdd895 >I'll try this again, just to see if this gets picked up. >*So, just for giggles, what / who is on the forefront of "looping-based >music"?* >I know this is somewhat an impossible question, but, maybe it's worth >bashing around for a while. The thing is, a good number of us would say "Dave Torn", but won't in case we embarass him... ;) Michael From ???@??? Tue Feb 03 22:37:03 1998 >From kflint Tue Feb 3 22:18:41 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0xzyAP-0001zO-00; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 22:18:37 -0800 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19980204061343.0067049c@tiac.net> X-Sender: rphunt@tiac.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 04 Feb 1998 01:13:43 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Reginald Hunt Subject: Re: looping as sin Resent-Message-ID: <"3u6p7.A.gbB.TdA20"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2819 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 22:18:37 -0800 X-UIDL: aacd750f741d83e9b95d93bd039de7c8 Come on let's face it. Just like any other subject, there are some folks concerned more with the technology than what it produces. We need people like that, but we can't evaluate performers strictly by their degree of technological innovation (which I've seen done here). Yes, the remark about playing ICs when looping is used by itself was pitiful. Be at peace. Reg At 11:18 PM 2/3/98 EST, you wrote: > >On Tue, 03 Feb 1998 Reginald Hunt writes: > >>Fripp (again? oh please!) has never been about being a >>Looper, either. For him it is a method, not the point. > > > >So, for the LOOPERS the point is not the MUSIC, >but the LOOPING, or, as someone else has noticed earlier, >playing ICs (and SIMMs) !!! >Oh! what am i going to do? i'm doomed ! >Please, Reggie, have mercy! i promise to unsubscribe >from this unholy site! > >Paparuda > > > > > > > > > > > > >_____________________________________________________________________ >You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. >Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com >Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] > > > > From ???@??? Tue Feb 03 22:37:04 1998 >From kflint Tue Feb 3 22:22:10 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0xzyDo-0002Pi-00; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 22:22:08 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19980203221437.00a7ebe0@global.california.com> X-Sender: sechevar@global.california.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 22:14:37 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: Re: Who's on the forefront of loopmuse? In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.19980204035100.0067cf58@tiac.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"CsgATD.A.6pB.QfA20"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2820 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 22:22:08 -0800 X-UIDL: a369670cb401ab28277c7ad5aaaabe0a I thought it was a good mix - more lively than it's been in awhile. Peter E: we don't fucking care At 10:51 PM 2/3/98 -0500, Reg wrote: >Well, other than Ebows, mixers, equipment for sale, cheap RAM, David Torn, >Buckethead, Terry Riley, Philip Glass, South Park (?!?), Porn stars, NAMM, >what would you like to discuss? > From ???@??? Tue Feb 03 23:58:46 1998 >From kflint Tue Feb 3 22:46:37 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0xzybT-0004My-00; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 22:46:35 -0800 Message-ID: <34D80E3F.2BCB@e-z.net> Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 22:44:15 -0800 From: doug pieren Reply-To: quail@e-z.net Organization: quail teeth productions X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; U; 16bit) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Bitchery vs. Fair Comment References: <1a322a02.34d75573@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Iq3UPD.A.U0D.p4A20"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2821 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 22:46:35 -0800 X-UIDL: 084ffb5059b3559d51cea9b71003ad0c MIvanBerk@aol.com wrote: > > I think I mentioned this a couple of weeks back, but I had the odd only-in-New > York City experience of being bored by Fripp at the Bottom Line (most likely > the same set David Myers witnessed) immediately after hearing an immensely > exciting performance by looping violinist/LiSa manipulator Kaffe Matthews. > But that's my personal bias. I felt that she was doing quite a bit more (so > far as loopy density goes) with quite a bit less gear, but then again, what > she was doing was far more compositionally oriented than what Fripp was doing. > Matthews would generally improvise a theme, then begin to alter it via > processing and resampling, move on to new figures, and resurrect old ones. > Fripp's appeared to be less interested in dealing with the material he > produced once it hit the Eventides and tc 2290s, doing his best to absent > himself from the process to the point of walking offstage and letting the > machines speak for themselves for a good amount of the performance. > > I found this tiring, and left immediately after the flashbulb incident. I > must admit, however, that what did hold my interest about the performance was > the audience's reception of Fripp than by anything he was doing. Those seated > near me (at least the ones who didn't spend the evening competitively > cataloguing their Crimson bootleg collections), seemed to find in the > performance nothing but an affirmation of their solid belief in Fripp's > virtuosity -- a performance that seemed (at least to me, and for better or for > worse) completely uninterested in providing such evidence. > > Basically, yeah, he's boring -- and perhaps he means it. But does that make > it better? > > By the way, if our David Myers is the one who's recorded lots of > "multiprocessor feedback" as Arcane Device, he produces some interesting and > unsettling loop music of his own and has every right to comment without > possibility of damnation. > > -mike Mike - Hear! Hear! If this is the one and the same David Myers, it would be cool to hear more about his interesting approaches to creating loop music. David, if you're out there and it's really you, I'm a big fan and really love your very original soundscapes... From ???@??? Tue Feb 03 23:58:48 1998 >From kflint Tue Feb 3 23:27:00 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0xzzEY-00078x-00; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 23:26:58 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980203232645.0098e900@pop.nwlink.com> X-Sender: jt@pop.nwlink.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 23:26:45 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: JT Subject: Re: Simm sound In-Reply-To: <000401bd30bd$0bed5fa0$70da6f83@pt205.wolfson.cam.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"zLIxdD.A.abG.geB20"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2822 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 23:26:58 -0800 X-UIDL: f6397b4647cbcf98709f1a0bb7bec3d2 >I, of course, still use punched cards for my looping. OK, the bandwidth >sucks and it's a pain if you drop them, but the vintage authenticity makes >grown men weep. I use punched paper tape in a Frippertonics-type of setup. But there is a slight problem if you try to overlay more sound on top of it. Apparently there is a finite number of holes you can punch before the paper disintegrates. JT From ???@??? Wed Feb 04 10:58:57 1998 >From kflint Wed Feb 4 01:51:43 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0y01Ub-0006wJ-00; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 01:51:41 -0800 Sender: camao@camsg001.camb.scee.sony.co.uk Message-ID: <34D83975.449A63E9@scee.sony.co.uk> Date: Wed, 04 Feb 1998 09:48:37 +0000 From: Os X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; IRIX 6.2 IP22) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: zoom effects units/vocoding References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"zgXkTB.A.dTG.omD20"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2823 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 01:51:41 -0800 X-UIDL: 3611763571fedcf8ae5013dac7dacaaf Dave Trenkel wrote: > It seems to me that it wouldn't affect anything, since the vocoder filters > would passing the material in each range that's already there, it wouldn't > be changing the spectra of the vocoded signal at all. BUT, if you put a > delay line before one of the vocoder inputs, it might be an interesting > effect, if the spectra of the loop were changing over time. Hmmm, and I > just sold my vocoder. I think that's what I meant... If you used something like that LiSa software I guess you could vocode a loop with a backwards copy of itself running at double speed... oook. But no-one has any opinion on the cheap Zoom boxes that offer vocoding (1201/1204)? I'd need to justify the purchase with the knowledge that they where all-round useful. -- Os os@millennium.co.uk http://webworlds.net/os/ From ???@??? Wed Feb 04 10:58:59 1998 >From kflint Wed Feb 4 03:18:11 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0y02qH-0002zK-00; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 03:18:09 -0800 Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 06:15:54 -0500 (EST) From: Goddess X-Sender: Thefates@voyager.cris.com To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Subject: Robert Fripp Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"hCRVXB.A.fmC.t3E20"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2824 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 03:18:09 -0800 X-UIDL: c57e82a2417e7276f0f0f0d06a4d7e0e I never thought that I'd come anywhere near this topic right now. Go figure... I must say though, that I'm not interested in getting involved in this "issue" or a debate. I just wanted to mention my experience... I was able to see Robert this summer on the G-3 tour. I was extremely moved and inspired by his performance. I felt that the performance had a wonderous type of "movement" to it. I was taken far from where I was when I came in. What did piss me off however was the crowd being so loud and disrespectful while I was trying to listen... I personally liked Robert's set better than the entire rest of the show, as it sounded to me like incessant minor pentatonic played on the one all night...dispite this, I still had a nice time hearing the other performers. Yes, I seemed to hear alot of the same sounds, but I was still moved. To me, music can have many different sounds or just one and I may think it's "good". There is more to music than the sounds used to create it. It may not have to be created by people at all like natural sounds like birds or the wind... It could be someone saying your name... There is more going on here... smiles, tweet tweet! Corynne From ???@??? Wed Feb 04 11:01:04 1998 >From kflint Wed Feb 4 09:14:43 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0y08PH-0006Lu-00; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 09:14:39 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.2.16.19980204052301.2267c310@texas.net> X-Sender: sharkey@texas.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.2 (16) Date: Wed, 04 Feb 1998 05:23:01 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: james rhodes Subject: CDR870- test results, and future uses In-Reply-To: <199802031352_MC2-31BE-E669@compuserve.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"TwE7P.A.UFF.rBK20"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2838 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 09:14:39 -0800 X-UIDL: 11f10d03c48e916aad0f84adde034d19 hi, i have had some time to play with the Philips CD recorder,,,and i must say i'm very impressed,,,most of my compositions i burn live to disk,,,from my Mackie 1202vlz... the results have been a low noise to signal ratio, that marvels me,,,fade outs are really quite(no hiss),,,all in all i feel that the CDR870 is a great unit for the independant musician,,,and its VERY easy to operate,,, i have already completed one disc of instrumental music for meditation, or reflection,,,or whatever. using synths,,,and chapman stick,,,and live radio communications from Mir (course i dont speak russian,,,but it sounded cool over the music) im currently working on a more hip hop, acid jazz disc,,,( even the purist looper needs other musical outlets) ive been contacted by a couple of local bands, that want me to pay me to record their gigs,,,as well,,,why not i doth say? if anyone needs a source for this unit try J&R Music in NY 1-888-221-8180 my .02 james From ???@??? Wed Feb 04 10:59:33 1998 >From kflint Wed Feb 4 06:07:49 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0y05UQ-0003I8-00; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 06:07:46 -0800 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19980204140319.0066ec40@tiac.net> X-Sender: rphunt@tiac.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 04 Feb 1998 09:03:19 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Reginald Hunt Subject: Re: zoom effects units/vocoding Resent-Message-ID: <"eX4AXD.A.5sC.kVH20"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2825 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 06:07:46 -0800 X-UIDL: 99a3b286efae1af276750e900664ef7d You could check out the Digitech Guitar Talker. They have a phone number to call to hear it: 1-888-TALKER5 Reg At 09:48 AM 2/4/98 +0000, you wrote: >Dave Trenkel wrote: > >> It seems to me that it wouldn't affect anything, since the vocoder filters >> would passing the material in each range that's already there, it wouldn't >> be changing the spectra of the vocoded signal at all. BUT, if you put a >> delay line before one of the vocoder inputs, it might be an interesting >> effect, if the spectra of the loop were changing over time. Hmmm, and I >> just sold my vocoder. > >I think that's what I meant... > >If you used something like that LiSa software I guess you could vocode a >loop with a backwards copy of itself running at double speed... > >oook. > >But no-one has any opinion on the cheap Zoom boxes that offer vocoding >(1201/1204)? I'd need to justify the purchase with the knowledge that >they where all-round useful. > >-- >Os >os@millennium.co.uk >http://webworlds.net/os/ > > > From ???@??? Wed Feb 04 10:59:36 1998 >From kflint Wed Feb 4 06:13:11 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0y05Zd-0003s2-00; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 06:13:09 -0800 X-Sender: ejmd@pop.erols.com (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19980203232645.0098e900@pop.nwlink.com> References: <000401bd30bd$0bed5fa0$70da6f83@pt205.wolfson.cam.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 09:18:58 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Ed Drake Subject: Plex Question Resent-Message-ID: <"S0ji2C.A.cVD.RbH20"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2826 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 06:13:09 -0800 X-UIDL: 3c31125d9598045804c2191c6a7ffc3d In Switch Quantize under Parameters/Loops, what does Cnf mean? I couldn't find this documented anywhere. Thanks! Ed Oh yeah, what kind of shit does Peter Ensign want? From ???@??? Wed Feb 04 10:59:46 1998 >From kflint Wed Feb 4 06:29:46 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0y05ph-0005DO-00; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 06:29:45 -0800 Message-Id: <98Feb4.092451est.18818@thicket.arbortext.com> Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 09:21:52 -0500 From: David White Reply-To: dwhite@arbortext.com Organization: Arbortext Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: "global english" / 60 mails/day References: <2.2.32.19980203065005.00a2b354@pop.chromatic.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"leBxmC.A.kpE.HrH20"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2827 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 06:29:45 -0800 X-UIDL: b1926b25e19641ec5cc0715ff01fa29a While I appreciate Matthias' viewpoint, I must ask for a little slack regarding typos. Yes, I consider "where" for "wear" a typo. I know the difference, but in a two sentence joke proof reading is not a big concern. BTW, Matthias, what is "nuriture?" It is in poor taste to describe the problem and then fail the test yourself. dAve Matthias Grob wrote: > >I tried starting an Ambient Garth Brooks cover band over a year ago. No one > >would where the hat. > >(hat...cover...thinkaboutit) > > Isn't it "wear"? Or is that part of a joke I did not grab? > > This triggers a concern that circulates in my head for a while: > > You know, I like slangs and try to follow and have good laughs sometimes, > but please consider the difficulty for the few not native americans that > still take their time to discover the meanings behind the often "smart > chat" on this list in up to 60 mails/day. > > It is sad, but it takes a simple short "global english" to keep the group > international. Looping definitally is not a typically american thing, even > though american enterprises were the first to risk an investment (after I > took the risk to develop the LOOP delay in switzerland :-) > I do not want to cut the "art" aspect of emailing, but I want all > interested people from any place of the globe to be able to read all mails, > to follow and to feel fine to make their contribution in their "non smart" > style. > Please cut a thin slice of a solid simple bread that we can hold and that > contains all the essence of nuriture you want to contribute and then put > some jam on top if you like to make it more tasty - for those who want it > and can understand it. > > And yes, sometimes it takes rereading and elaborating the mail... many will > read it, after all, maybe years from now... > > Just searching for ways to make a beautifull list shine even more > Matthias From ???@??? Wed Feb 04 10:59:57 1998 >From kflint Wed Feb 4 06:56:28 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0y06FW-0007Fh-00; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 06:56:26 -0800 Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 09:53:22 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199802041453.JAA10102@cliff.concentric.net> X-Sender: hideo@pop3.concentric.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tom Lambrecht Subject: Re: Urban Myth #137--the $125 Jammman Resent-Message-ID: <"9r7zeC.A.naG.oDI20"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2828 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 06:56:26 -0800 X-UIDL: 9345ba2589acd378c553f74a9bbb0be6 Not a myth . . . it does (did) exist . . . (somber look sweeps the horizon . . . looking for more $125 Jammans) unfortunately, I was #3 of about 40 e-mail messages that the guy told me he received within hours after his late evening post . . . many of you doubtless involved in this feverish correspondence, like workers attending the queen. time to take in a deep breath , EXHALE and let the one that got away go with it. . . take a leisurely walk admiring nature's carbon-based processor technology and . . . SENSORS BACK ON FULL SCAN Tom Tom Lambrecht hideo@concentric.net From ???@??? Thu Feb 05 01:13:25 1998 >From kflint Wed Feb 4 13:21:18 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0y0CFt-0006ni-00; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 13:21:13 -0800 Message-ID: <34D8819F.5ED7@nyfac.com> Date: Wed, 04 Feb 1998 14:56:32 +0000 From: tbajus Reply-To: nyfac2@nyfac.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Hardward v. software References: <1.5.4.32.19980204061343.0067049c@tiac.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"2vdyvC.A.65E.pkN20"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2861 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 13:21:13 -0800 X-UIDL: b0346fb482ae7d4ad400045a8ed87bf8 I know that the constant gear references can get a bit tedious, but I find it difficult to talk (esp. write) about the abstractions of creating music. It may be my untutored approach- I have little formal training in music, and I frequently wonder whether or not my real talent (rock-wise, anyway) is not playing guitar, but just being really lucky that when my fingers flip around on the fretboard, most of the time the accidentally fall on notes that sound cool. When I improvise, unlike a lot of people, I haven't the faintest frickin' clue what is going to come out- especially when my playing is at its best. Music for me is about doing, and about sharing. I have never been a solo performer because, for me, every jam is like a call and response section. To talk about the ideas of music without interacting with whoever is speaking seems to be missing something. Besides, you girls are the only people I know that know more about gear and toys than I do. I hate to admit this, but my two functional bands (both totally loop-free (live anyway- we'll see about the studio)) have been so busy that my poor jamman has been sitting next to my bed, forlorn and lonely for the past several months. I have plans for the inprov band to resurface... JamMan v. Echoplex w/trumpet. So, in my final tangent, when does the new Ebow come out again? Trevor Bajus From ???@??? Thu Feb 05 01:13:23 1998 >From kflint Wed Feb 4 13:16:34 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0y0CBH-00066r-00; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 13:16:27 -0800 Message-ID: <34D882AF.1704@nyfac.com> Date: Wed, 04 Feb 1998 15:01:03 +0000 From: tbajus Reply-To: nyfac2@nyfac.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Retro Looping (was Re: Simm sound) References: <1.5.4.32.19980204165947.00677680@interactive.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"kGOP2D.A.TlE.aiN20"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2859 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 13:16:27 -0800 X-UIDL: 8fbafab212d4711ebc9cf34b625b61a3 I use a rock. That's all. From ???@??? Wed Feb 04 11:00:03 1998 >From kflint Wed Feb 4 07:07:01 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0y06Pi-0000NV-00; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 07:06:58 -0800 From: ZeplinSoup@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 10:01:58 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Bitchery vs. Fair Comment Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 64 Resent-Message-ID: <"Sk2-qD.A.SE.zNI20"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2829 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 07:06:58 -0800 X-UIDL: 6056d2354d43cfe0d150d217d78de940 >So who's Christy Canyon? What does she play? Jonathan Brainin skin flute From ???@??? Thu Feb 05 01:13:24 1998 >From kflint Wed Feb 4 13:16:48 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0y0CBO-000681-00; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 13:16:34 -0800 Message-ID: <34D88372.3B0@nyfac.com> Date: Wed, 04 Feb 1998 15:04:18 +0000 From: tbajus Reply-To: nyfac2@nyfac.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Frippery vs. Bitchery References: <01BD319A.A9F3E560@slip139-92-21-83.lo.uk.ibm.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"en21wD.A.7lE.diN20"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2860 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 13:16:34 -0800 X-UIDL: ceb15ea07db4e11eb1a0b1d999494db2 I think criticism is a good thing. Even for Fripp. I have a friend of mine who, after every show of mine that he sees, no matter how good it was, sits down, and picks it apart. The funny thing is, unless I hear the bad things, I can't appreciate the good. Nothing is worse than uncritical, unqualified praise. Trevor Bajus From ???@??? Wed Feb 04 11:00:16 1998 >From kflint Wed Feb 4 07:30:48 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0y06mj-0002iO-00; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 07:30:45 -0800 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19980204152438.0067e274@tiac.net> X-Sender: rphunt@tiac.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 04 Feb 1998 10:24:38 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Reginald Hunt Subject: forefront etc... Resent-Message-ID: <"ZqbYPB.A.H7B.3hI20"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2831 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 07:30:45 -0800 X-UIDL: 4abe348cfa5f92c80914385aae5c5010 Kim, I for one would be interested if you would share some of the innovations in looping that are occuring in the dance/techno field. One reason I started checking out this list was to see what ideas and approaches existed beyond what I had already encountered or come up with. I've been looping since about 1983, and one thing I've seen consistently is the short attention spans manufacturers have for the subject. They dabble in long delay times, find it is not yet the market they want, then lose interest (Lexicon, Ibanez, Digitech, for example). If Oberhiem starts designing their delay units strictly for the sampling/dance market, then the rest of the Looper world will once again be stranded. Of course, that's business. Reg From ???@??? Wed Feb 04 11:00:15 1998 >From kflint Wed Feb 4 07:28:52 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0y06kq-0002Rh-00; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 07:28:48 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.19980204102601.00735eb4@dharma.mitre.org> X-Sender: seligman@dharma.mitre.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Wed, 04 Feb 1998 10:26:01 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Len Seligman Subject: Re: Plex Question (SwitchQuant="Cnf") Cc: tspauldi@mail.nash.gibson.com In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.5.32.19980203232645.0098e900@pop.nwlink.com> <000401bd30bd$0bed5fa0$70da6f83@pt205.wolfson.cam.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"UrXdID.A.WwB.qgI20"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2830 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 07:28:48 -0800 X-UIDL: e69d7f29611d584dcac76d1a4029d7bd At 09:18 AM 2/4/98 -0500, you wrote: >In Switch Quantize under Parameters/Loops, what does Cnf mean? I couldn't >find this documented anywhere. >Thanks! Ed > Ed, I asked the Plex-masters the same question, and got the following reply. (Tom S., you folks should probably send out a Release 5.0 Notes addendum to the manual that has this info plus some corrections to the manual--e.g., that there is no such value as SwitchQuant="On", that instead your choices are "cnf" or "cyc"; the latter changes loops at the *cycle* boundary, not at the *loop* boundary as it says in the manual.). From: matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias Grob) >what is the meaning of SwitchQuant="Cnf"? It gives you time to select the loop nr and function you want. But you have to do a second press to make it finally change the loop. The second press can be any key, creating the corresponding function when you arrive in the new loop. The "neutral" one (des nothing in the new loop) is UNDO. Matthias From ???@??? Wed Feb 04 11:00:25 1998 >From kflint Wed Feb 4 07:38:25 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0y06u4-0003k9-00; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 07:38:20 -0800 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19980204153010.0066bbcc@tiac.net> X-Sender: rphunt@tiac.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 04 Feb 1998 10:30:10 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Reginald Hunt Subject: LD site outage Resent-Message-ID: <"7M3rUD.A.mpC.UnI20"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2833 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 07:38:20 -0800 X-UIDL: 371f18e29d26290d5cc721202c26489a Is Looper'as Delight down permanently? Its been gone since Sunday. Email to Kim directly just bounces back. Any word? Reg From ???@??? Wed Feb 04 11:00:28 1998 >From kflint Wed Feb 4 07:53:02 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0y078F-0005Pm-00; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 07:52:59 -0800 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3.0.2.32.19980204102601.00735eb4@dharma.mitre.org> References: <3.0.5.32.19980203232645.0098e900@pop.nwlink.com> <000401bd30bd$0bed5fa0$70da6f83@pt205.wolfson.cam.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: klaw@iglou.com Subject: Re: Plex Question (SwitchQuant="Cnf") Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 10:49:24 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: <"0fC6GB.A.zqE.N4I20"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2834 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 07:52:59 -0800 X-UIDL: 73d4a2ef93b87c81358454b5584d9c8d Someone from Oberheim once told me it stood for "confirm". K LAW >At 09:18 AM 2/4/98 -0500, you wrote: >>In Switch Quantize under Parameters/Loops, what does Cnf mean? I couldn't >>find this documented anywhere. >>Thanks! Ed >> > >Ed, I asked the Plex-masters the same question, and got the following reply. > >(Tom S., you folks should probably send out a Release 5.0 Notes addendum to >the manual that has this info plus some corrections to the manual--e.g., >that there is no such value as SwitchQuant="On", that instead your choices >are "cnf" or "cyc"; the latter changes loops at the *cycle* boundary, not >at the *loop* boundary as it says in the manual.). > >From: matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias Grob) > >>what is the meaning of SwitchQuant="Cnf"? > >It gives you time to select the loop nr and function you want. But you have >to do a second press to make it finally change the loop. The second press >can be any key, creating the corresponding function when you arrive in the >new loop. The "neutral" one (des nothing in the new loop) is UNDO. > > >Matthias From ???@??? Wed Feb 04 12:14:01 1998 >From kflint Wed Feb 4 11:41:35 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0y0AhK-0001jQ-00; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 11:41:26 -0800 From: "Bailey, Jim" To: 'looppost' Subject: RE: loops, ambient or otherwise Date:Wed, 4 Feb 1998 11:10:00 -0500 Message-ID: <34D8C1FC@199.71.37.25> Encoding: 46 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Resent-Message-ID: <"u9D1H.A.z.SGM20"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2848 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 11:41:26 -0800 X-UIDL: 23ddd35755f9768a228ff40b9c3b649b Mike Biffle wrote: > > Thanks Reg for such clear and devoloped definitions regarding looping. Most of > my comments are in reply to your feelings about Robert Fripp below. > 1/ Then kindly delete those portions to which your comments are not addressed. One problem with this list, and the reason digest subscribers sometimes get several copies in a day, is that people don't EDIT!! If I'd wanted that I'd have gone for the other version. A handy feature of these modern computers is that unwanted text can be DELETED, thereby saving not only that nebulous entity known as BANDWIDTH, but also the need to scroll through seemingly endless lines of dross. Since Kim is kind enough to keep this list unmoderated (of which, having as I do an anarchist bent, I heartily approve) then it is up to us to keep it readable. I prefer my looping in the audio domain; in text it becomes more redundant than the base track for "Healthy Colours." 2/ Then Peter Ensign commented: i dont want this shit Fine. Then don't read it! Especially, DON'T SEND IT BACK TO US!! TWICE!!! With regard to the aforementioned Mr. Fripp, I was at the "Space Music" performance here in Toronto, and found it to be a highly entertaining evening in many respects. When the sounds became less interesting, I merely tuned them out and continued to converse with friends, many of whom I hadn't seen for a long time, with one ear open to catch any interesting changes. This, as I understand, was part of Robert's expectation of me as an audient, and I was glad to oblige. It then took on some aspects of certain John Cage events such as HPSCHD, where one is free to wander about the "space" and experience the sounds from different viewpoints. I hope this helps prod the thread back to relevance. Jim Bailey From ???@??? Wed Feb 04 11:00:24 1998 >From kflint Wed Feb 4 07:38:14 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0y06tv-0003j2-00; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 07:38:11 -0800 Message-ID: <34D89767.385D@infobiogen.fr> Date: Wed, 04 Feb 1998 16:29:29 +0000 From: Malhomme Olivier Reply-To: malhomme@infobiogen.fr Organization: I P L X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 [fr] (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re:fernandes References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Rf9XmD.A.hoC.MnI20"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2832 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 07:38:11 -0800 X-UIDL: a5a4aa50094e449f2b7e699213fb5c02 1: They use tu sell the sustainer separatly, but no more. The fact that it must be somewhat possible since Reeves Gabrels got one on his Parker(s) fly(ies?). Ok, we certainly don't share the same bank account nor the same connections. 2: Don't know. I think still keep it quite secret with maybe the intention to sell it sometimes. 3: (bonus) The maker of the old sustainiac made quite recently an announcement for their new product. It is to be installed on a strat style guitar (it was last time I heard from them) with a lot of features that do not exist on the previous models of any manufacters, like a button to have a sudden burst of energy to have arco sounds... and the usual harmonics selector... Olivier Malhomme From ???@??? Wed Feb 04 11:00:51 1998 >From kflint Wed Feb 4 08:37:59 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0y07pl-0002DD-00; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 08:37:57 -0800 Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 11:31:04 -0500 (EST) From: Adam Levin To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Simm sound In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19980203232645.0098e900@pop.nwlink.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"_eGRyC.A.KVB.OgJ20"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2836 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 08:37:57 -0800 X-UIDL: 8c5d3549e5e1c2f3d479a89abc484957 On Tue, 3 Feb 1998, JT wrote: > > >I, of course, still use punched cards for my looping. OK, the bandwidth > >sucks and it's a pain if you drop them, but the vintage authenticity makes > >grown men weep. > > I use punched paper tape in a Frippertonics-type of setup. But there is a > slight problem if you try to overlay more sound on top of it. Apparently > there is a finite number of holes you can punch before the paper > disintegrates. Surely a drawback, but it's minor when you consider that these modern digital doo-hickeys just don't have the warmth of the old punchcards. The punchcards burn much easier. -Adam --- "...if one strives at hearing for the sake of constant virtue, out of seeking liberation from cyclic existence, gradually one becomes a Hearer." - Chandrakirti From ???@??? Wed Feb 04 11:00:45 1998 >From kflint Wed Feb 4 08:32:50 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0y07kk-0001V7-00; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 08:32:46 -0800 Message-ID: <01BD3160.8B61DD30@TD-300> From: jprice@intcpi.com (John Price) To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Who's on the forefront of loopmuse? Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 11:32:08 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_NextPart_000_01BD3160.8BE84B40" Resent-Message-ID: <"9c-SVC.A.k7.IdJ20"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2835 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 08:32:46 -0800 X-UIDL: 1a03ae3c1429c8aabd26c9b5c4e0fabc I kinda until like, maybe 3mos ago perceived this site as a home for classic loopers. Clearly, its more diverse than that. But I did think at first that everyone was either a guitar player or a violinist or an Analog Synth Looper doin the Ambient thang. ( Nothin wrong with any of that ) Assumptions are always fatal. -----Original Message----- From: Kim Flint [SMTP:kflint@chromatic.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 1998 8:04 PM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: Who's on the forefront of loopmuse? At 07:47 PM 2/3/98 -0500, David Kirkdorffer wrote: >If it's the Dance Scene where real innovation is taking place, maybe we >ought to advertise the existence of our loopy-list to a few dance and dj >oriented web-worlds?? I have actually, a little. There are some lurking around, although more would be good and introduce some fresh perspectives. Although, after mentioning it on a dnb producer's list, one fellow checked it out and came back saying it was interesting, but "seemed like just a bunch of fripp-heads." (read that as, "only dinosaurs there") After the past couple of days, it's hard to disagree! kim _______________________________________________________ Kim Flint 408-752-9284 Mpact Systems Engineering kflint@chromatic.com Chromatic Research http://www.chromatic.com From ???@??? Wed Feb 04 11:01:00 1998 >From kflint Wed Feb 4 09:02:59 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0y08Dw-0004p8-00; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 09:02:56 -0800 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19980204165947.00677680@interactive.net> X-Sender: jbrainin@interactive.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 04 Feb 1998 11:59:47 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Jonathan Brainin Subject: Retro Looping (was Re: Simm sound) Resent-Message-ID: <"5MijzD.A.DAE.G5J20"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2837 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 09:02:56 -0800 X-UIDL: e03a2204ebc51f78d4929e285a90a3dd At 11:31 AM 2/4/98 -0500, Adam Levin wrote: >On Tue, 3 Feb 1998, JT wrote: >> I use punched paper tape in a Frippertonics-type of setup. But there is a >> slight problem if you try to overlay more sound on top of it. Apparently >> there is a finite number of holes you can punch before the paper >> disintegrates. > >Surely a drawback, but it's minor when you consider that these modern >digital doo-hickeys just don't have the warmth of the old punchcards. > >The punchcards burn much easier. > >-Adam I've gone to a dual-mono analog setup that is built around two abacuses. Reaaly great for rythmic loops. Jonathan Brainin jbrainin@interactive.net From ???@??? Thu Feb 05 01:15:03 1998 >From kflint Wed Feb 4 17:46:22 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0y0GOQ-0001H4-00; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 17:46:18 -0800 Message-ID: <2148EC143F29D1118BE000805FC13CD01E1F5B@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: looping as sin Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 11:32:08 -0600 X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Resent-Message-ID: <"mAeG2D.A.Oi.qiR20"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2884 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 17:46:18 -0800 X-UIDL: 6f355f66c9025f36b6c350b435b778fb Was it the comment, or the syndrome that was pitiful? > ---------- > From: Reginald Hunt > Reply To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Sent: Tuesday, February 3, 1998 10:18 PM > To: LiebigSA@maritz.com > Subject: Re: looping as sin > > Come on let's face it. Just like any other subject, there are some > folks > concerned more with the technology than what it produces. We need > people > like that, but we can't evaluate performers strictly by their degree > of > technological innovation (which I've seen done here). > > Yes, the remark about playing ICs when looping is used by itself was > pitiful. > > Be at peace. > Reg > > > At 11:18 PM 2/3/98 EST, you wrote: > > > >On Tue, 03 Feb 1998 Reginald Hunt writes: > > > >>Fripp (again? oh please!) has never been about being a > >>Looper, either. For him it is a method, not the point. > > > > > > > > > >So, for the LOOPERS the point is not the MUSIC, > >but the LOOPING, or, as someone else has noticed earlier, > >playing ICs (and SIMMs) !!! > >Oh! what am i going to do? i'm doomed ! > >Please, Reggie, have mercy! i promise to unsubscribe > >from this unholy site! > > > >Paparuda > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_____________________________________________________________________ > >You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. > >Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com > >Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] > > > > > > > > > > From ???@??? Wed Feb 04 11:01:12 1998 >From kflint Wed Feb 4 09:49:28 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0y08wv-0002Ve-00; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 09:49:25 -0800 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <34D80E3F.2BCB@e-z.net> References: <1a322a02.34d75573@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 12:44:04 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: David Myers Subject: Arcane Device Resent-Message-ID: <"sJ1s5D.A.2zB.jkK20"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2840 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 09:49:25 -0800 X-UIDL: 942685a0e2b888e0d57d0f82138558cc >MIvanBerk@aol.com wrote: >> By the way, if our David Myers is the one who's recorded lots of >> "multiprocessor feedback" as Arcane Device, he produces some interesting and >> unsettling loop music of his own and has every right to comment without >> possibility of damnation. >> >> -mike >Mike - Hear! Hear! If this is the one and the same David Myers, it would >be cool to hear more about his interesting approaches to creating loop >music. David, if you're out there and it's really you, I'm a big fan and >really love your very original soundscapes... Okay, you guys (and a few others) have "outed" me. About 1988 I did a 5 or 6 year project called Arcane Device-I think 7 CD's, buncha tapes, an LP and one double 7-inch record, maybe 30 performances in NYC, Boston, Pittsburgh, Cleveland, Hamburg, Copenhagen. It may be of technical interest to some folks here. For this material I never used any sound "sources" for the loops-that is, it was "feedback music", the looping delays generating their own sounds by being fed into themselves. I got four 7.6 sec Digitech Time Machines and fed them into a custom mixer--basically, four channels with four effects sends on each. This formed a kind of routing matrix in which any delay could feed any delay, including itself. I "played" the delays and mixer as an instrument--very active use of the "sends". Usually, very short delays got the feedback cranking, then this sound would be handed off to a longer delay for looping, etc. Very hard to predict what might happen sometimes-I always thought of performances as something akin to a chess game or boxing match, where I was going one-on-one with whatever sounds came at me. Alot of risk involved, particularly when it was in public! My favorite CD was a little different. "Also Sprach Zarathustra" (may still be available on Staalplaat Records) was done with a Lexicon LXP-5, an MRC, and one pot. Same thing, the LXP-5 fed itself, but the MRC was used extensively to crank the parameters. Given the setup, the variety of sounds and structures is pretty amazing, even if I do say so myself. (Admittedly, a pretty bombastic title, but besides being a longtime fan of the book, I guess I thought "stickin in to" the classical establishment wouldn't hurt, either.) The last solo CD I did (had two collaborative releases with German composer Asmus Tietchens) technically puzzles even me. On "Envoi in Cumin" I again used the 4X Time Machine setup. Each delay was set for approx. 1 second. But the routing was so strange (wish I could recount it exactly) that what came out was a kind of "see-saw" base sound--yeah, a loop--which varied in period somehow. I called it a "soft loop", and it subtly changed in sound as the loop time wandered between 7 and 15 seconds! In part, this was due to these delays having LFO modulation available, which in this case I applied sparingly--a good selling point (along with all those other knobs) for the Digitechs. Hope all this may be of interest or inspiration to you loopmaniacs.... David Myers ____________________________________ "Eternity is not limited by the conditions of time, and time is eternal in virtue of its cyclic recurrence." -Hermetica, Asclepius III From ???@??? Thu Feb 05 01:13:27 1998 >From kflint Wed Feb 4 13:37:14 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0y0CVF-0001CW-00; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 13:37:05 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.2.16.19980204094423.2fff0ae4@texas.net> X-Sender: sharkey@texas.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.2 (16) Date: Wed, 04 Feb 1998 09:44:23 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: james rhodes Subject: Re: CDR870- test results, and future uses In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980204120629.00701158@txdirect.net> References: <3.0.2.16.19980204052301.2267c310@texas.net> <199802031352_MC2-31BE-E669@compuserve.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"nwIaKB.A.jD.Z2N20"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2863 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 13:37:05 -0800 X-UIDL: f24d38381b5e2b1c947f97a3a865859f hey,, picked it up for approx $670.00 US after shipping, a few discs, etc... yes it is indeed a stand-alone unit, with RCA in/out, and digital optical in/out,,looks and functions like a DAT for more info: http://www.srtl.co.uk/srtl/cdr870.html james At 12:06 PM 2/4/98 -0600, you wrote: >how much did you pay for your phillips? Is it a standalone? > > >Real Audio Zombie Project Music! Paisley Babylon, more coming.... >http://www.txdirect.net/users/zom > > > From ???@??? Thu Feb 05 01:15:21 1998 >From kflint Wed Feb 4 19:08:15 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0y0Hfc-0002LI-00; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 19:08:08 -0800 Message-ID: <34D8AC3F.28AB@worldnet.att.net> Date: Wed, 04 Feb 1998 09:58:23 -0800 From: Stephen Porter X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0C-WorldNet (Win16; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Vendors in New England for Studer-ReVox Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"-bbskB.A.LZB.ytS20"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2890 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 19:08:08 -0800 X-UIDL: 1de21bc9e24cfd0cf6715d631d12c345 Help, Does anyone know of a vendor in Boston area that sells new ReVox B77 Tape Recorders? Or the ReVox web address? Thank You,Steve SJP1138@worldnet.att.net From ???@??? Wed Feb 04 11:01:06 1998 >From kflint Wed Feb 4 09:15:54 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0y08QQ-0006WH-00; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 09:15:50 -0800 Message-ID: <34D8ADB9.7A87@infobiogen.fr> Date: Wed, 04 Feb 1998 18:04:51 +0000 From: Malhomme Olivier Reply-To: malhomme@infobiogen.fr Organization: I P L X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 [fr] (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: fernandes again References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"ztGll.A.WMF.dCK20"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2839 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 09:15:50 -0800 X-UIDL: 10096d4aae5e5a6098fe6d9ce703d377 To add fuel again: I own a strat style Fernandes with sust. It has two single/one humbuck. The singles sound good, brilliant and the double coil sounds with a hell of a lot of of high frequencies. I usually turn down to 80% the high on the tonality pot. Otherwise chords with distortion sounds very clear and they got a quite good load of punch. I'd say I like them. Never thought of replacemant (but I use it a lot with a VG-8 by the way, so... why would I care for pick-up sound or amps or whatever?) Olivier Malhomme From ???@??? Wed Feb 04 11:01:15 1998 >From kflint Wed Feb 4 10:09:22 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0y09GD-00058N-00; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 10:09:21 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980204120629.00701158@txdirect.net> X-Sender: zom@txdirect.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 04 Feb 1998 12:06:29 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: ZOM Subject: Re: CDR870- test results, and future uses In-Reply-To: <3.0.2.16.19980204052301.2267c310@texas.net> References: <199802031352_MC2-31BE-E669@compuserve.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"Rg1pRB.A.mGE.J2K20"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2841 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 10:09:21 -0800 X-UIDL: fe14c25ba48a5ec068040de563bb2a42 how much did you pay for your phillips? Is it a standalone? Real Audio Zombie Project Music! Paisley Babylon, more coming.... http://www.txdirect.net/users/zom From ???@??? Wed Feb 04 11:01:28 1998 >From kflint Wed Feb 4 10:41:50 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0y09lY-0001eX-00; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 10:41:44 -0800 Message-ID: <01BD319A.A26514E0@slip139-92-21-83.lo.uk.ibm.net> From: "Brian Thomson, London UK" To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: Re: Location / Loopers' CD Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 18:16:39 -0000 Encoding: 8 TEXT Resent-Message-ID: <"XufdEB.A.VLH.VNL20"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2843 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 10:41:44 -0800 X-UIDL: 8ee3e3ee0bf15d638c375a727535adc5 Muswell Hill, London UK. Muswell Hill is just north of Highgate - about 4 miles north of the West End... CD: I've just managed to get some of my tracks on to a CD-R ready for the next Loopers' CD, so I'll be keeping an eye open for the next mention... Brian Thomson, London UK From ???@??? Wed Feb 04 11:01:29 1998 >From kflint Wed Feb 4 10:42:35 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0y09mH-0001lf-00; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 10:42:29 -0800 Message-ID: <01BD319A.A9F3E560@slip139-92-21-83.lo.uk.ibm.net> From: "Brian Thomson, London UK" To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Frippery vs. Bitchery Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 18:20:33 -0000 Encoding: 24 TEXT Resent-Message-ID: <"AA5DIC.A.IPH.rNL20"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2844 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 10:42:29 -0800 X-UIDL: 966f48af647b13b7ada87c12d90b527b >Just listen to it, and if you don't like it, listen to something else. I just think this bitching about his work is pointless unless someone can come up with an alternative guitarist/style/etc that one likes Better. Or perhaps it's your own work you like better, just say so.< If I can add my two pence on this... I think we're arguing about this because Fripp is an important personage in this regard. I mean would you care if a man engaged in, er, fellatio, if he wasn't the President Of The United States (POTUS)? (Cough) I think my analogy slipped a little there... I meant to say that Fripp's lofty status in this field means that we Care what he thinks and does, and look for meaning in it, even if there isn't meant to be any. I won't even start to talk about Expectations... Personally, I imagine that if I had bothered to stand in the hour-long queue at the recent Night Watch launch, and had a chat with him, I probably wouldn't like him as a person. And why would I want his written autograph, when I have his musical autograph on the CD in my hand? Brian Thomson, London UK bnt@ibm.net From ???@??? Wed Feb 04 11:01:19 1998 >From kflint Wed Feb 4 10:30:02 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0y09a8-00004U-00; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 10:29:56 -0800 Message-ID: <013601bd3199$9deaa5c0$c2b854ce@mark.asisoftware.com> From: Mark@asisoftware.com (Mark Kata) To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: RE: Arcane Device Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 13:20:48 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0133_01BD316F.B4E24320" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"Bdl_9B.A.mVG.iHL20"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2842 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 10:29:56 -0800 X-UIDL: dc25d942a79bfe67502506628469180d
Hi David,
 
Thanks for explaining how you made those sounds.  I have several of your works and it always puzzled me how you were able to generate the sounds.
 
Didn't you have two "instruments"?  A big console and a small portable unit?
 
You're right about knobs on equipment.  I wish every piece of equipment had three or four knobs whose control functions you could select.
 
Mark Kata
Mark@asisoftware.com
From ???@??? Wed Feb 04 11:01:30 1998 >From kflint Wed Feb 4 10:42:44 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0y09mQ-0001mt-00; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 10:42:38 -0800 Message-ID: <01BD319A.B128AF00@slip139-92-21-83.lo.uk.ibm.net> From: "Brian Thomson, London UK" To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: Unsubscribe info please? Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 18:28:21 -0000 Encoding: 16 TEXT Resent-Message-ID: <"K0Ar5.A.ZSH.-NL20"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2845 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 10:42:38 -0800 X-UIDL: 47d6bd73b3110045dccd040c703ecfa6 Since the Looper's Digest site is currently off-line (it still was ten minutes ago), could someone post the un-subscription information to the list, please? I love this list, but the quantity is just too much when you're connecting through a mobile phone at 9600bps and you only have so many free call-time minutes... I'll back if I get a LAN connection like on my last placing (I'm an IT contractor). Cheers! Brian Thomson, London UK bnt@ibm.net From ???@??? Wed Feb 04 11:01:32 1998 >From kflint Wed Feb 4 10:51:48 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0y09vH-00034n-00; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 10:51:47 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19980204103928.00a88cd0@global.california.com> X-Sender: sechevar@global.california.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Wed, 04 Feb 1998 10:39:28 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: Re: Unsubscribe info please? In-Reply-To: <01BD319A.B128AF00@slip139-92-21-83.lo.uk.ibm.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"VOjXmC.A.HjB.mZL20"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2846 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 10:51:47 -0800 X-UIDL: 2911be73f0047501dd13742c3e7dab64 - In the unlikely event that you ever need to unsubscribe, send a message to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com with "unsubscribe" in both the subject and body. No signatures! At 06:28 PM 2/4/98 -0000, Brian Thomson, London UK wrote: >Since the Looper's Digest site is currently off-line (it still was ten >minutes ago), could someone post the un-subscription information to the >list, please? From ???@??? Wed Feb 04 12:13:56 1998 >From kflint Wed Feb 4 11:07:38 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0y0AAV-0005O0-00; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 11:07:31 -0800 X-Sender: paulpop@marlin.ssnet.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Paulpop@ssnet.com (Paul Poplawski, Phd) Subject: Re: ambient & otherwise Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 10:54:20 -0800 Resent-Message-ID: <"P9n1pD.A.s_D.gqL20"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2847 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 11:07:31 -0800 X-UIDL: a806167be8ae4b82db587112683003ae poppycock ... Fripp is a guitar player not the Dali Lama ... or if I am to go on the assumption that we are all the DL, then (yawn), fine, Fripp is the DL, and so am I ... I guess I am tiring of the ambient, techno-babble about his relative worth as a human next to everyone else and how serious-minded his "performances" are or are not. The experience of him recently was borrish and uninspired ... and yeah yeah ... there is little to connect with and I found it offensive that he appeared to be judging anyone who didn't arrive 30 minutes prior to the stated witching hour. Spare me. There is something a bit too self-congratulatory about all this ... play the guitar At 1:00 AM 2/4/98, Reginald Hunt wrote: >Response to Miko Biffle: > >>>Unfortunately, the human animal can suffer from the tendency to follow >>>sheep-like (or lemming-like). Ambient music has suffered from its contingent >>>of brain dead devotees, as has Fripp. Originally, ambient music was not >>>intended as a hypnotic tranquilizer (which looping inherently lends itself >>>to). It was meant as music which operates equally on different levels of >>>awareness simultaneously. Persons who assume that loopers are into ambient >>>music by default, are a type of bigot. But don't damn a style of music for >>>that. > >>Does this imply that 'bad' ambient music has actually impaired our ability to >>perceive Mr. Fripp? How nasty of the mediocrities. > >>I'm not sure how 'ambient' music was originally intended. Was there a group >>charter for the genre or something? Or are we now following sheep-like, some >>authority on the subject? I'd like to think that even the most unassuming >person >>who purchases *any* cheesy sounds to alter their environment, is somehow >taking >>a rather active measure to alter their experience somehow. Most commendable! > >I'm not referring to good or bad anything. Even the herd-instinct has value. >But, >like any other music form, heavy-metal, dance, whatever, ambient gets a bad >reputation >from a certain segment of the audience and performers who cause it to >stagnate. To get a feel >for ambient's original goal, Eno is always a good source. Ther are some web >sites >that feature useful quotes of his. > >>Bigot? Let they without sin cast the first stone! Those mindless drones have >>infected us all... Animals indeed! > >My use of the word "bigot" goes by its strict definition. It is not a sin, >but is indeed >a mindset (again by definition). > >>>Fripp has always been an acquired taste. His explorations extend beyond >>>music per se. He has always questioned the audience-performer relationship, >>>and the effect of the music business on musicians. His actions at >>>performances are reflective of all that and probably more. He's never been >>>about being a "hot" player. The many comments I've seen here and elsewhere >>>asking why he doesn't "rip it up", or about him leavng the stage and >>>observing the audience, shows a lack of understanding about the artist. > >>To believe that I don't understand the artist because I have preferences >>as to >what I might experience at a performance seems a little PC to me. > >Again, by definition, if the preferences don't truly apply to the artist, >e.g. Fripp bashing out >"Lark's Tongues" at a Soundscapes performance (which I have seen emails >about in >other places), then it's a lack of understanding. > >>I've been able >>to enjoy the vast differences in much of Fripps output. Fripp doesn't have to >>always rip, but if I shell out to go see him, I'm hoping I might get some >>tiny >>portion that which I know to also be alive somewhere in his soul as well. >After >>all the pendulum does swing both ways. > >Fripp himself freely admits that there is no guarantee in regards to his >performances, >that anyone who purchases a ticket probably knows this, and if they don't, >oh well. I've >read correspondance he had with some one who complained so bitterly about >his responsibilities >to audience expectation that he sent them a refund on the condition they >never attend one >of his shows again. >Also, his soul definitely does come through his Soundscapes. It may not >rock, but it comes through. > >>Did you study with Mr. Fripp or what? > >Nope. > >>I've found that as I've grown older, I sometimes have to cut to the chase a >>little quicker than I used to. If I lack understanding about Fripp as an >artist >>because I hope to see him in a comfortable, non-combative setting, which >>might >>allow for undistracted listening, then so be it. Let me be 'responsible' >for my >>own listening experience without dictating to me. Maybe I'm just an old >>intolerant fart as well. Who am I to dictate? > >I don't think the idea is to remove the rules, only to change them. And, >indeed, >he his assigning more responsibility to the audience. > >>If lectures become a larger part of other artists performances, I may begin >>having a harder time enjoying them as well. Although I might actually pursue >>some artists due to their engaging communication style and content. I believe >>Fripp is starting to sound redundant to me at this point. Hopefully the >pendulum >>will swing again and I will enjoy many more years of delightful Fripp output. > >Fripp will always be part teacher, I think. > >>I find it somewhat totalitarian though that Fripp expects certain >>conformities >>from his audience without somehow realizing that his audience might expect >some >>regard for their needs as well. Especially having shelled out their ducats. > >See Fripp for Fripp. Not what you need. You might get even more. > >Reg °°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°° Paul Poplawski, Ph.D. email = ppoplawski@state.de.us or paulpop@ssnet.com phone (service) = 302/737-4491 weekday office = 302/577-4980 From ???@??? Thu Feb 05 01:14:57 1998 >From kflint Wed Feb 4 17:18:05 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0y0Fx2-0005FM-00; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 17:18:00 -0800 Message-ID: <2148EC143F29D1118BE000805FC13CD01E1F5D@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Arcane Device Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 13:09:15 -0600 X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Resent-Message-ID: <"51pPV.A.hjD.zCR20"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2880 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 17:18:00 -0800 X-UIDL: aaed643b97455421abc5863cab51fb9f Yes for knobs. Frankly, I'd be much more likely to want something like a JamMan or Oberheim 'Plex if they had knobs. Maybe it's the neo-Luddite in me, but I prefer being able to manually adapt parameters (in addition to foot control) to whatever is going on musically. Hence my fondness for the EH 16-second delay. This morning, I was lamenting the fact that something like the 'Plex (which will obviously have superior sonic specs) isn't available with these features . . . and in a non-rack package. I'm sick of racks and like to be able to just pull out a pedal . . . again a plus of the EH16. > ---------- > From: Mark@asisoftware.com > Reply To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Sent: Wednesday, February 4, 1998 10:30 AM > To: LiebigSA@maritz.com > Subject: RE: Arcane Device > > Hi David, >   > Thanks for explaining how you made those sounds.  I have several of > your works and it always puzzled me how you were able to generate the > sounds. >   > Didn't you have two "instruments"?  A big console and a small portable > unit? >   > You're right about knobs on equipment.  I wish every piece of > equipment had three or four knobs whose control functions you could > select. >   > Mark Kata > Mark@asisoftware.com > From ???@??? Wed Feb 04 12:14:05 1998 >From kflint Wed Feb 4 11:45:02 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0y0Aki-0002E4-00; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 11:44:56 -0800 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <013601bd3199$9deaa5c0$c2b854ce@mark.asisoftware.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 14:30:36 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: David Myers Subject: RE: Arcane Device Resent-Message-ID: <"ivDZvC.A.UW.fIM20"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2849 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 11:44:56 -0800 X-UIDL: ea28fd19e3ea6f8a43258f8f11c28327 > Hi David, Thanks for explaining how you made those sounds. I have >several of your works and it always puzzled me how you were able to >generate the sounds. Didn't you have two "instruments"? A big console >and a small portable unit? You're right about knobs on equipment. I >wish every piece of equipment had three or four knobs whose control >functions you could select. Mark Kata Mark@asisoftware.com Yeah Mark, there was also a little unit I called the "shoebox" or "carry-on". I got three Digitech 2 second delay pedals--forget the model no., but they were pretty good bandwidth: 12 or 15K, unlike the 8 sec floor pedal which some people have mentioned here), tore them up and routed all the pots & switches to my own, crammed all the PCB's (along with a similarly-stripped Microverb) into a box about 12 X 9 X 5". Had a mixing-matrix too, of course. It was a screamer! Only recording it really got featured on was a concert recording which was on, I think, AD7 (cassette from some little label in CA). Unfortunately, a real underground venue in Pittsburgh had questionable AC and smoke came out of the poor little thing! Was never the same.... David Myers From ???@??? Wed Feb 04 12:14:03 1998 >From kflint Wed Feb 4 11:44:58 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0y0Akc-0002DL-00; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 11:44:50 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 14:31:23 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: David Myers Subject: Re: Frippery vs. Bitchery Resent-Message-ID: <"jAhio.A.7Z.2IM20"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2850 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 11:44:50 -0800 X-UIDL: 9f82ae343ea2c3f410a270dd930b3921 >You know, at no point in this strangely looping discussion has anyone talked >about the idea that - wonder of wonders! - perhaps RF LIKES what he's doing >right now...! > >I believe we've all been there, hm? But if you're looking for blazingly >fast technique guitar, go listen to one of the fellows from the G3 tour. >Amongst the things I get out of listening to music (and yes! Fripp's work >too), "being impressed" is not high on my list of expectations before the >performance. > >Just listen to it, and if you don't like it, listen to something else. I >just think this bitching about his work is pointless unless someone can come >up with an alternative guitarist/style/etc that one likes Better. Or >perhaps it's your own work you like better, just say so. > >Who ever said it was supposed to be exciting ALL the time anyway? Or did >yez think it was a marketing ploy when Fripp said (back in the early 80s, >pre-KC2) that at times he made an effort to be as boring as humanly >possible? > >I'd have kept my keyboard untouched on this one, if it had not denigrated >into this whiningly annoying bit. It smacks a bit of the Satriani-heads who >were also disappointed in Soundscape works. Oh brother, whatta buncha >consumers THEY are. :) > >Stephen Goodman * It's... The Loop Of The Week! >EarthLight Studios * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios > I sure hope Robert likes what he's doing-most artists do, I assume. But as an artist, he produces product for consumption (don't get him started...) and I for one have put a few bucks in his pocket because I have really loved much of what he has done. If you saw my "desert island" loop list, you'll notice that Bob is mentioned twice. I'm not whining when I criticize some of his efforts- part of the function of art is to set up a dialog, don't you think? Would like to have seen the Guitar Trio. Couple months ago a sprang for a G3 CD, but when I put it on it was some kind of slick pop Mexican mariachi band music. Huh? Even the disc printing was correct. As far as speed guitar, I just pull out my beloved Mahavishnu records.... While I'm here, let me renew my plea for any unwanted copies of David Torn's "What Means Solid, Traveller?" David? Any discs sitting around the house? What a shame about CMP. David Myers _______________________________________________ "Bees are not as busy as we think they are. They just can't buzz any slower." -Kin Hubbard From ???@??? Wed Feb 04 12:14:06 1998 >From kflint Wed Feb 4 11:45:46 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0y0AlP-0002KD-00; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 11:45:39 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 14:31:45 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: David Myers Subject: Re: Process vs. Theory- was, Who's on the forefront of loopmuse Resent-Message-ID: <"MMLqZD.A.Yc.FJM20"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2851 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 11:45:39 -0800 X-UIDL: daa158ea5a7f2fd16f59b9f8aa8224ca > Wow David... I'll bet you're in for a roast! > > I saw Fripp waaayyyy back at Madame Wongs on his first Frippertronics > tour (1976 or so?) when he was carting around a couple of Revoxes. > After an incredibly long wait outside, we were the treated to a long > lecture about audience responsibility and his particular rules about > tape recorders and cameras etc. I saw about 1/2 hour of that and left. > > He did more to spoil the magic of hearing his music than any flashbulb > might have. I truly was looking forward to seeing him, and went away > disturbed that the event was so entirely uncomfortable. Not in any > mind-stretching avante-garde way, but just physically and mentally > overbearing. > > In more recent Soundscapes concerts, as impressive as I think they > are, I've often wished he'd just let it rip, if only for a moment or > so. How about responsibility to your audience Robert? I'll meet you > half way. > > Now I've done it. I'll see you in hell David Myers! > -Miko It's a date, Miko. I'll bet the unclean one won't let Robert bring his rack. We'll be forced to listen to him do Q & A 24 hrs. a day.... From ???@??? Thu Feb 05 01:13:09 1998 >From kflint Wed Feb 4 12:24:35 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0y0BMz-0007gw-00; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 12:24:29 -0800 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <98Feb4.092451est.18818@thicket.arbortext.com> References: <2.2.32.19980203065005.00a2b354@pop.chromatic.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 11:35:33 -0800 To: dwhite@arbortext.com, Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: "global english" / 60 mails/day Resent-Message-ID: <"IhEVqB.A.I_F.SxM20"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2856 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 12:24:29 -0800 X-UIDL: 981e363d8d3cb5ac19d4b379cdbd2842 Hey dude, let's not get nasty about it. Matthias speaks english as his fifth or sixth language. He does quite well, considering, as do the many other non-english speakers here. Far, far better than I could manage in ANY of their native languages. His request to keep idiomatic usages of english to a minimum makes sense, because lots of people won't understand you otherwise. I'm sure his request wasn't only directed at you, and I don't see that it was hostile in any way. (quite the contrary, actually.) He just wanted to enjoy the joke with the rest of us and wasn't able to. There's no need to get defensive and make personal jabs over it. kim At 9:21 AM -0500 2/4/98, David White wrote: >While I appreciate Matthias' viewpoint, I must ask for a little slack >regarding >typos. Yes, I consider "where" for "wear" a typo. I know the difference, >but in >a two sentence joke proof reading is not a big concern. > >BTW, Matthias, what is "nuriture?" It is in poor taste to describe the problem >and then fail the test yourself. > >dAve > >Matthias Grob wrote: > >> >I tried starting an Ambient Garth Brooks cover band over a year ago. No one >> >would where the hat. >> >(hat...cover...thinkaboutit) >> >> Isn't it "wear"? Or is that part of a joke I did not grab? >> >> This triggers a concern that circulates in my head for a while: >> >> You know, I like slangs and try to follow and have good laughs sometimes, >> but please consider the difficulty for the few not native americans that >> still take their time to discover the meanings behind the often "smart >> chat" on this list in up to 60 mails/day. >> >> It is sad, but it takes a simple short "global english" to keep the group >> international. Looping definitally is not a typically american thing, even >> though american enterprises were the first to risk an investment (after I >> took the risk to develop the LOOP delay in switzerland :-) >> I do not want to cut the "art" aspect of emailing, but I want all >> interested people from any place of the globe to be able to read all mails, >> to follow and to feel fine to make their contribution in their "non smart" >> style. >> Please cut a thin slice of a solid simple bread that we can hold and that >> contains all the essence of nuriture you want to contribute and then put >> some jam on top if you like to make it more tasty - for those who want it >> and can understand it. >> >> And yes, sometimes it takes rereading and elaborating the mail... many will >> read it, after all, maybe years from now... >> >> Just searching for ways to make a beautifull list shine even more >> Matthias ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Thu Feb 05 01:13:08 1998 >From kflint Wed Feb 4 12:24:00 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0y0BMN-0007bi-00; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 12:23:51 -0800 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.19980204153010.0066bbcc@tiac.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 11:40:13 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: LD site outage Resent-Message-ID: <"1W4dZD.A.69F.HxM20"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2855 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 12:23:51 -0800 X-UIDL: d0ae9ffce06bbd98f7fb31c9e4becaf5 >Is Looper'as Delight down permanently? Its been gone since Sunday. Email to >Kim directly just bounces back. Any word? > > >Reg The retards at my ISP are still sitting on it. I informed them today that I would be suing them if it wasn't up soon, we'll see if that approach works. I doubt it, though. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Thu Feb 05 02:27:30 1998 >From kflint Thu Feb 5 01:15:02 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0y0NOf-0001S3-00; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 01:15:01 -0800 From: Anthony Bowyer-Lowe To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MMDF-Warning: Parse error in original version of preceding line at post.mail.demon.net Subject: Re: zoom effects units/vocoding Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 19:53:30 -0000 Message-ID: <01bd31a6$9149b1a0$LocalHost@amudarya> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"q1CIcB.A.3_.OJY20"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2908 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 01:15:01 -0800 X-UIDL: e7bf0b2c832b12767177096b24d2bbd8 >But no-one has any opinion on the cheap Zoom boxes that offer vocoding >(1201/1204)? I'd need to justify the purchase with the knowledge that >they where all-round useful. Buy as many 1201's as you can afford. For the money, they are brilliant - I have 3 (two in the studio, one on my turntables) and plan to get some more (allowing connection of a few in series, etc). Don't have much time for a full review (illness, bah), but remind me to rave about these boxes again soon. Note that two 1201's are more powerful than one 1204, go for the 1201's. Cheers, ynohtnA. (Oh: Brighton, England). -- Anthony Bowyer-Lowe <= The Essence Of Anthony. http://www.amudarya.demon.co.uk/ (Updated: 01/98) From ???@??? Wed Feb 04 12:14:09 1998 >From kflint Wed Feb 4 12:02:50 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0y0B1v-0004qA-00; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 12:02:43 -0800 X-Sender: cstecker@barr642.berkeley.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 11:54:47 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: cstecker@cogsci.berkeley.edu (Chris Stecker) Subject: Loopers' Delight Pages Resent-Message-ID: <"Pl3V8.A.DzC.7ZM20"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2852 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 12:02:43 -0800 X-UIDL: 5f32e0902d8a72f2a5b9ff874fa8b42f Looper's Delight page...that sounds excellent. Who's been hosting it? What is/was on it? Why is it not up now? If anyone else is putting it back up, I'd love to check it out. If it needs a site for hosting, I think ovenguard music would be happy to help out. Our site has a little extra space, good access, and all that. Several of our artists are loopers of one form or another (I really don't want to start up another highbrow/lowbrow thread, so that's all I'll say about the music for now ;-) Anyway, the main site's at http://www.ovenguard.com/music, and if there are past keepers of the page, I'd like to hear from them, either about the page or about hosting a new one. If I don't hear from anybody, who would like to help put a page together? -Chris >When is the Looper's Delight page coming back? > >Reg <<<--->>> Chris Stecker Honcho, Ovenguard Music (http://www.ovenguard.com/music/) cstecker@ovenguard.com From ???@??? Thu Feb 05 01:13:12 1998 >From kflint Wed Feb 4 12:32:15 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0y0BUR-0000y1-00; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 12:32:11 -0800 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19980204201515.00a763e4@pop.chromatic.com> X-Sender: kflint@pop.chromatic.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 04 Feb 1998 12:15:15 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Loopers' Delight Pages Resent-Message-ID: <"1DpW4B.A.xxG.02M20"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2857 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 12:32:11 -0800 X-UIDL: 7c5892c01d6a7affa980779b0717cf87 At 11:54 AM 2/4/98 -0800, Chris Stecker wrote: >Looper's Delight page...that sounds excellent. Who's been hosting it? >What is/was on it? Why is it not up now? If anyone else is putting it >back up, I'd love to check it out. If it needs a site for hosting, I think >ovenguard music would be happy to help out. Our site has a little extra >space, good access, and all that. Several of our artists are loopers of >one form or another (I really don't want to start up another >highbrow/lowbrow thread, so that's all I'll say about the music for now ;-) >Anyway, the main site's at http://www.ovenguard.com/music, and if there >are past keepers of the page, I'd like to hear from them, either about the >page or about hosting a new one. If I don't hear from anybody, who would >like to help put a page together? > jeez, the site's been up for a year and a half, and averaging over 3000 hits a week up until Sunday, when something went funny with the domain name. My domain name has been out for the past four days, which I realize is an eternity on the internet, and I'm trying everything I can to get it back again. But let's try not to make too many assumptions about my demise, alright? If you really need to get to it, you can use my ISP's domain: http://www.slip.net/~kflint/loop/loop.html kim _______________________________________________________ Kim Flint 408-752-9284 Mpact Systems Engineering kflint@chromatic.com Chromatic Research http://www.chromatic.com From ???@??? Thu Feb 05 01:13:11 1998 >From kflint Wed Feb 4 12:30:13 1998 Received: from thicket.arbortext.com (arbortext.com) [198.108.59.203] by ferret.slip.net with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0y0BSI-0000UF-00; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 12:29:58 -0800 Received: by thicket.arbortext.com id <18825>; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 15:27:27 -0500 Message-Id: <98Feb4.152727est.18825@thicket.arbortext.com> Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 15:24:28 -0500 From: David White Reply-To: dwhite@arbortext.com Organization: Arbortext Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kim Flint , Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: "global english" / 60 mails/day References: <2.2.32.19980203065005.00a2b354@pop.chromatic.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-UIDL: 66e89dde26b0c7af3c38809f083e4f0b It wasn't my intent to be nasty only to reflect. Thanks for the correction. Dave Kim Flint wrote: > Hey dude, let's not get nasty about it. Matthias speaks english as his > fifth or sixth language. He does quite well, considering, as do the many > other non-english speakers here. Far, far better than I could manage in ANY > of their native languages. His request to keep idiomatic usages of english > to a minimum makes sense, because lots of people won't understand you > otherwise. I'm sure his request wasn't only directed at you, and I don't > see that it was hostile in any way. (quite the contrary, actually.) He just > wanted to enjoy the joke with the rest of us and wasn't able to. There's no > need to get defensive and make personal jabs over it. > > kim > > At 9:21 AM -0500 2/4/98, David White wrote: > >While I appreciate Matthias' viewpoint, I must ask for a little slack > >regarding > >typos. Yes, I consider "where" for "wear" a typo. I know the difference, > >but in > >a two sentence joke proof reading is not a big concern. > > > >BTW, Matthias, what is "nuriture?" It is in poor taste to describe the problem > >and then fail the test yourself. > > > >dAve > > > >Matthias Grob wrote: > > > >> >I tried starting an Ambient Garth Brooks cover band over a year ago. No one > >> >would where the hat. > >> >(hat...cover...thinkaboutit) > >> > >> Isn't it "wear"? Or is that part of a joke I did not grab? > >> > >> This triggers a concern that circulates in my head for a while: > >> > >> You know, I like slangs and try to follow and have good laughs sometimes, > >> but please consider the difficulty for the few not native americans that > >> still take their time to discover the meanings behind the often "smart > >> chat" on this list in up to 60 mails/day. > >> > >> It is sad, but it takes a simple short "global english" to keep the group > >> international. Looping definitally is not a typically american thing, even > >> though american enterprises were the first to risk an investment (after I > >> took the risk to develop the LOOP delay in switzerland :-) > >> I do not want to cut the "art" aspect of emailing, but I want all > >> interested people from any place of the globe to be able to read all mails, > >> to follow and to feel fine to make their contribution in their "non smart" > >> style. > >> Please cut a thin slice of a solid simple bread that we can hold and that > >> contains all the essence of nuriture you want to contribute and then put > >> some jam on top if you like to make it more tasty - for those who want it > >> and can understand it. > >> > >> And yes, sometimes it takes rereading and elaborating the mail... many will > >> read it, after all, maybe years from now... > >> > >> Just searching for ways to make a beautifull list shine even more > >> Matthias > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html > http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Thu Feb 05 01:13:19 1998 >From kflint Wed Feb 4 12:40:06 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0y0Bc1-000263-00; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 12:40:01 -0800 Message-Id: <98Feb4.152727est.18825@thicket.arbortext.com> Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 15:24:28 -0500 From: David White Reply-To: dwhite@arbortext.com Organization: Arbortext Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kim Flint , Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: "global english" / 60 mails/day References: <2.2.32.19980203065005.00a2b354@pop.chromatic.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"wXIfzB.A.ho.T_M20"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2858 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 12:40:01 -0800 X-UIDL: c65985ccb462c6baed8a2fcb138a8e40 It wasn't my intent to be nasty only to reflect. Thanks for the correction. Dave Kim Flint wrote: > Hey dude, let's not get nasty about it. Matthias speaks english as his > fifth or sixth language. He does quite well, considering, as do the many > other non-english speakers here. Far, far better than I could manage in ANY > of their native languages. His request to keep idiomatic usages of english > to a minimum makes sense, because lots of people won't understand you > otherwise. I'm sure his request wasn't only directed at you, and I don't > see that it was hostile in any way. (quite the contrary, actually.) He just > wanted to enjoy the joke with the rest of us and wasn't able to. There's no > need to get defensive and make personal jabs over it. > > kim > > At 9:21 AM -0500 2/4/98, David White wrote: > >While I appreciate Matthias' viewpoint, I must ask for a little slack > >regarding > >typos. Yes, I consider "where" for "wear" a typo. I know the difference, > >but in > >a two sentence joke proof reading is not a big concern. > > > >BTW, Matthias, what is "nuriture?" It is in poor taste to describe the problem > >and then fail the test yourself. > > > >dAve > > > >Matthias Grob wrote: > > > >> >I tried starting an Ambient Garth Brooks cover band over a year ago. No one > >> >would where the hat. > >> >(hat...cover...thinkaboutit) > >> > >> Isn't it "wear"? Or is that part of a joke I did not grab? > >> > >> This triggers a concern that circulates in my head for a while: > >> > >> You know, I like slangs and try to follow and have good laughs sometimes, > >> but please consider the difficulty for the few not native americans that > >> still take their time to discover the meanings behind the often "smart > >> chat" on this list in up to 60 mails/day. > >> > >> It is sad, but it takes a simple short "global english" to keep the group > >> international. Looping definitally is not a typically american thing, even > >> though american enterprises were the first to risk an investment (after I > >> took the risk to develop the LOOP delay in switzerland :-) > >> I do not want to cut the "art" aspect of emailing, but I want all > >> interested people from any place of the globe to be able to read all mails, > >> to follow and to feel fine to make their contribution in their "non smart" > >> style. > >> Please cut a thin slice of a solid simple bread that we can hold and that > >> contains all the essence of nuriture you want to contribute and then put > >> some jam on top if you like to make it more tasty - for those who want it > >> and can understand it. > >> > >> And yes, sometimes it takes rereading and elaborating the mail... many will > >> read it, after all, maybe years from now... > >> > >> Just searching for ways to make a beautifull list shine even more > >> Matthias > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html > http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Wed Feb 04 12:14:11 1998 >From kflint Wed Feb 4 12:04:09 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0y0B3E-00051g-00; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 12:04:04 -0800 X-Sender: matthias@pop3.bahianet.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199802031635.IAA28224@scv4.apple.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 17:57:32 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias Grob) Subject: Re: RE: RE:Fernandes guy at NAMM Resent-Message-ID: <"DmnvbD.A.CDD.obM20"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2854 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 12:04:04 -0800 X-UIDL: 0c777a169f3560b663edf72539049f4f >>What I was talking about is that "guitar string waveform" is usually not an >>option on yer regular waveform selector knob. Now if I actually possessed an >>analog synth, or was possessed by one, it would probably occur to me shortly >>after the possibilities for triangles became a bit barren that using a >>"guitar string waveform" in place of the oscillator section might be pretty >>damn cool. Lots of nifty harmonics in those strings. And if I did do that, >>it would next occur to me that using a sustaining device on the guitar >>string to take away the remarkably predictable guitar string envelope would >>be darned handy, allowing me to replace it with the good ol' ADSR. Add some >>LFO's, some filters, and some weird effects, loop it up, and as the kids >>say, it would be wikked..... Travis proposed: >I use to fantasize about a piano-type instrument which would use >guitar/bass strings, and which had a an E-bow type device on each string, >the intensity of which could be controlled by aftertouch pressure, or >preset. All the typical guitar processing could be applied, the output >split in several different ways, etc, etc. In my ideas drawer, there is a design of a piano with activation magnet on each bass string which could either be used to give the bass notes a long sustain or an infinite sustain (E-bow like) or they could be activated only by the magnet, controlled by a organ like bass pedal, so the notes would come in without attack. The next step then could be to include magnets that activate the hammers, so the whole bass line could be played on the pedal or even sequenced. And this would basically be an accoustic instrument, a piano with enhanced bass playing options. I hope I can build one when I am retired or so :-) Matthias From ???@??? Wed Feb 04 12:14:10 1998 >From kflint Wed Feb 4 12:03:49 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0y0B2v-0004ym-00; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 12:03:45 -0800 X-Sender: matthias@pop3.bahianet.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 17:57:32 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias Grob) Subject: Re: Who's on the forefront of loopmuse? Resent-Message-ID: <"j6lQNB.A.mCD.mbM20"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2853 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 12:03:45 -0800 X-UIDL: 64609b9ac38c854cdda382b765c682c3 >I'll try this again, just to see if this gets picked up. > >*So, just for giggles, what / who is on the forefront of "looping-based >music"?* >I know this is somewhat an impossible question, but, maybe it's worth >bashing around for a while. > >David Kirkdorffer If you are looking for a virtuosity competition, we could simply count the foot operations / second and maybe give a bonus if difficult and combined functions are used. :-) If we consider any music with a repeated drum beat, we do not get anywhere. If its about music as we develop it on this list, I hope the CD projects will help us to feel where the various styles are going and discuss our favourites. I am really curious to hear all that! How is it, Mat? Ray? Matthias From ???@??? Thu Feb 05 01:13:26 1998 >From kflint Wed Feb 4 13:36:56 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0y0CUy-00019x-00; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 13:36:48 -0800 Message-Id: <199802042112.NAA04419@gw1.bi-tech.com> From: "Matt McCabe" To: "Loop List" Subject: converters Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 13:24:35 -0800 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"cRJtF.A.VC.T2N20"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2862 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 13:36:48 -0800 X-UIDL: 672c2b543be9ed2c2d7f28465080c19f I'm looking for an ADAT Light Pipe to S/PDIF converter. Do they exist? Thanks....now back to the loops! Matt From ???@??? Thu Feb 05 01:14:30 1998 >From kflint Wed Feb 4 15:46:20 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0y0EWG-0001MN-00; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 15:46:16 -0800 From: Edward_Chang@mail.amsinc.com Date: Wed, 04 Feb 98 16:41:00 est Encoding: 22 Text Message-Id: <9801048866.AA886646463@mail.amsinc.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: sampling rights Resent-Message-ID: <"vsc7cC.A.ax.TzP20"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2870 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 15:46:16 -0800 X-UIDL: 4f3217ae41fab3e34694d7e364034aea Warning - this post may not be quite loop specific, but I thought I'd give it a shot.... I'm currently putting together some material for a CD (self-financed, of course - what kinda nut would wanna...) and some of it uses tape loop samples of pre-existing material (as well as turntables) like George Winston, Bing Crosby, The Story of Little Red Riding Hood... Those of you who have seen my live performances know what I'm talking about. It's pretty fast and fleeting, more of a "transient noise" than a theme for a piece and I would think I shouldn't have to pay royalties or anything, but... Does anyone know what Christian Marclay/John Oswald/Otomo Yoshihide/(hell John Cage for that matter) does. Oswald samples probably around 200 songs on his Plunderphonics record and I'm wondering if he might've done anything more than just putting it out. I did talk to one CD guy and he said as long as your work doesn't eat into the market of the person you are sampling, they probably won't sue you. Sounds reasonable. Any idea loop-mates? ed From ???@??? Thu Feb 05 01:13:29 1998 >From kflint Wed Feb 4 13:50:29 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0y0CiA-00039q-00; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 13:50:26 -0800 From: Paolo Valladolid Message-Id: <199802042143.NAA27855@waynesworld.ucsd.edu> Subject: Re: RE: RE:Fernandes guy at NAMM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 13:43:27 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <199802031635.IAA28224@scv4.apple.com> from "T.W. Hartnett" at Feb 3, 98 10:36:08 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"oRk7zB.A.0BC.GEO20"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2864 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 13:50:26 -0800 X-UIDL: 00ac7171fba4324087100c325d8d3593 > I use to fantasize about a piano-type instrument which would use > guitar/bass strings, and which had a an E-bow type device on each string, > the intensity of which could be controlled by aftertouch pressure, or > preset. All the typical guitar processing could be applied, the output > split in several different ways, etc, etc. > > Travis This almost sounds like Art Durkee's IFSS-equipped Stick. IFSS is the Infinite Feedback Sustain System developed by Art and Al Jewer for the Stick. One major component is a contact driver attached to the back of the Stick. There used to be a FAQ on the IFSS on the Laughing Cat Records page but it's gone for some reason. But Art can still be contacted at Stickdragn@aol.com Cheers, Paolo Valladolid --------------------------------------------------------------- |Moderator of Digital Guitar Digest, an Internet mailing list |\ |for Music Technology and Stringed Instruments | \ ---------------------------------------------------------------- | \ finger pvallado@waynesworld.ucsd.edu for more info \ | \ http://waynesworld.ucsd.edu/DigitalGuitar/home.html \| ----------------------------------------------------------------- From ???@??? Thu Feb 05 01:13:30 1998 >From kflint Wed Feb 4 13:59:00 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0y0CqN-0004Mm-00; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 13:58:55 -0800 From: Paolo Valladolid Message-Id: <199802042148.NAA27917@waynesworld.ucsd.edu> Subject: Re: RE: RE:Fernandes guy at NAMM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 13:48:39 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: from "Matthias Grob" at Feb 4, 98 05:57:32 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"iAnXGB.A.3wC.JJO20"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2865 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 13:58:55 -0800 X-UIDL: 14508fefdd315e3a046a9bc539fad2e1 > >>What I was talking about is that "guitar string waveform" is usually not an > >>option on yer regular waveform selector knob. Now if I actually possessed an > >>analog synth, or was possessed by one, it would probably occur to me shortly > >>after the possibilities for triangles became a bit barren that using a > >>"guitar string waveform" in place of the oscillator section might be pretty > >>damn cool. Lots of nifty harmonics in those strings. And if I did do that, > >>it would next occur to me that using a sustaining device on the guitar > >>string to take away the remarkably predictable guitar string envelope would > >>be darned handy, allowing me to replace it with the good ol' ADSR. Add some > >>LFO's, some filters, and some weird effects, loop it up, and as the kids > >>say, it would be wikked..... This reminds me to ask... Has anyone here tried feeding their guitar/Stick/ bass/whatever into the analog input of a Waldorf Pulse Plus or one of the other analog synths that have analog inputs? I recall Robert (oh no!) Fripp used to feed his Les Paul signal into a Synthi for his Frippertronics sound. Pete Cosey did that too with Miles Davis. I think side one of Pangaea has an extended guitar solo processed through a Synthi. In a late 80s interview with Cosey, he said that the Synthi ended up sitting in his basement (or garage?) for his kids to play with and make Darth Vader voices. Cheers, Paolo Valladolid --------------------------------------------------------------- |Moderator of Digital Guitar Digest, an Internet mailing list |\ |for Music Technology and Stringed Instruments | \ ---------------------------------------------------------------- | \ finger pvallado@waynesworld.ucsd.edu for more info \ | \ http://waynesworld.ucsd.edu/DigitalGuitar/home.html \| ----------------------------------------------------------------- From ???@??? Thu Feb 05 01:13:31 1998 >From kflint Wed Feb 4 14:08:47 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0y0Czr-0005lV-00; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 14:08:43 -0800 From: Paolo Valladolid Message-Id: <199802042159.NAA28103@waynesworld.ucsd.edu> Subject: Re: Who's on the forefront of loopmuse? To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 13:59:35 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.19980204010422.009a0848@pop.chromatic.com> from "Kim Flint" at Feb 3, 98 05:04:22 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"dSNxw.A.lQE.jTO20"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2866 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 14:08:43 -0800 X-UIDL: 4023eaf691e9644a216cea1631553b2e > I have actually, a little. There are some lurking around, although more > would be good and introduce some fresh perspectives. Although, after > mentioning it on a dnb producer's list, one fellow checked it out and came > back saying it was interesting, but "seemed like just a bunch of > fripp-heads." (read that as, "only dinosaurs there") After the past couple > of days, it's hard to disagree! > > kim I have to give you guys major props for turning me on to Photek, The Orb, DJ Krush, etc. etc... guys who are hardly guitar oriented. It was refreshing for me to discover a whole new universe of music that I ignorantly put down as the product of "musically-ignorant lazy button-pushers and robbers of 'real' music". Cheers, Paolo "recovering-Fripp-head" Valladolid --------------------------------------------------------------- |Moderator of Digital Guitar Digest, an Internet mailing list |\ |for Music Technology and Stringed Instruments | \ ---------------------------------------------------------------- | \ finger pvallado@waynesworld.ucsd.edu for more info \ | \ http://waynesworld.ucsd.edu/DigitalGuitar/home.html \| ----------------------------------------------------------------- From ???@??? Thu Feb 05 01:13:35 1998 >From kflint Wed Feb 4 14:18:10 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0y0D8v-00070M-00; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 14:18:05 -0800 From: MIvanBerk@aol.com Message-ID: <2e7620ed.34d8e69e@aol.com> Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 17:07:23 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Fernandes guy at NAMM Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 57 Resent-Message-ID: <"i1oyHB.A.cDG.ogO20"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2867 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 14:18:05 -0800 X-UIDL: 1b8153211bd59e13ed1da28918f872bf In a message dated 98-02-04 16:56:05 EST, Paolo Valladolid wrote: << This reminds me to ask... Has anyone here tried feeding their guitar/Stick/ bass/whatever into